From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue May 1 07:07:36 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 09:07:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mitty stuff Message-ID: All I can say is WOW!. Haven't made it home yet as we stopped to stay a couple of days in the mountains, got to keep the banker happy too don't ya know. :). Weekend started out rough as we shot parts out of the side of the block 5 laps into the first practice session on Friday. Probably stressed the crank during my over revving situation last week and it let go. We shall see when we get home but I was picking piston pieces out of the lip at the front of the bonnet. Just had to switch gears from racing to spectating, once I did that we had a blast the rest of the weekend. It was SO great to see all my old friends and meet many new ones, both FOT and spectators. I don't see how we can ever top this one! Guys please thank your spouses for me for making My wife feel so welcome to the group at the track, she enjoyed herself also. Hopefully I will get another engine together and show up to be in your guys way at next years Kastner Cup event. Marty Sukey #8 Spitfire From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 1 07:16:04 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 09:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MITTY AFTERMATH Message-ID: <8CEF5B3B0FF4407-1ED0-E43@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> FOT: There's a huge number of stories. Please share them. A few notes here: I thought the pageantry of THE CMS GRID GIRLS and the on grid interviews was a very GREAT feature. We would like to incorporate this feature into the next Kastner Cup and will be looking for an Organizer. Special thanks to CMS organization for the CMS Hospitality Tent in the PRO-PADDOCK, too. Certainly we will want to arrange for a Hospitality Tent at the next Kastner Cup. More later.... Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 1 07:52:20 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 09:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 an ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <8CEF5B8C2C267C8-1ED0-14DF@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> YES! It will be at ROAD AMERICA in the fall. SEPTEMBER It has been 1996 since the TRIUMPH has been the featured marque at this event. It has been under discussion for the last couple of years with VSCDA. Finally it's time has come for the FOT to gather at this premier VSCDA event. Kas Kastner will be the GRAND MARSHALL for the weekend, of course. FOT John Houlton will be KASTNER CUP Event Chair. John is on the BOD of VSCDA and is well acquainted with top management at ROAD AMERICA. The Friends of Triumph will be the focus of the event, make no mistake about that. The ELKHART LAKE VINTAGE FESTIVAL has been an extremely popular event, drawing entrants from all over North America. The small resort village of Elkhart Lake is very welcoming and easy to get to from the track. There are always events planned for us in the village during the weekend. Stay tuned for future announcements. Financially we are largely covered, but may be looking for some sponsors for extras that would like to have. Suggestions are always welcomed. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 1 08:48:35 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 10:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 an ANNOUNCEMENT In-Reply-To: <57d6800f-6394-4c1f-8b81-6620f66b07c4@blur> References: <8CEF5B8C2C267C8-1ED0-14DF@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> <57d6800f-6394-4c1f-8b81-6620f66b07c4@blur> Message-ID: <8CEF5C09F0980B6-1ED0-1EC9@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> Chuck good to hear from you....message says: SEPTEMBER 2013 It can be a very perfect time of the year with dry weather and cool temperatures. It also follow Watkins Glen and is a popular stop over for west coast guys returning from the east. This is the most popular event of the year with VSCDA and well attended without the crush of many 'festival' events. This is 'FIRST CABIN' event and we will be proud to be part of it. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: chasgee To: Joe Alexander ; fot Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 9:30 am Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 an ANNOUNCEMENT Hi Joe, What time of year will it be? End of April? Thanks, Chuck Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Joe Alexander To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 14:07:33 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 an ANNOUNCEMENT YES! It will be at ROAD AMERICA in the fall. SEPTEMBER It has been 1996 since the TRIUMPH has been the featured marque at this event. It has been under discussion for the last couple of years with VSCDA. Finally it's time has come for the FOT to gather at this premier VSCDA event. Kas Kastner will be the GRAND MARSHALL for the weekend, of course. FOT John Houlton will be KASTNER CUP Event Chair. John is on the BOD of VSCDA and is well acquainted with top management at ROAD AMERICA. The Friends of Triumph will be the focus of the event, make no mistake about that. The ELKHART LAKE VINTAGE FESTIVAL has been an extremely popular event, drawing entrants from all over North America. The small resort village of Elkhart Lake is very welcoming and easy to get to from the track. There are always events planned for us in the village during the weekend. Stay tuned for future announcements. Financially we are largely covered, but may be looking for some sponsors for extras that would like to have. Suggestions are always welcomed. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From triosan at gmail.com Tue May 1 09:32:39 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 08:32:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another Nomination [nimination?] Message-ID: He is not a Triumph guy -- in fact he races a B. But he is good at it, and certainly part of our family since he attends and races at every Kas Kup. I would like to nominate Will Hart, son of Bill Hart [#98 TR powered Devin] and travel companion/all around helper of Tony Garmey who maintains the car. -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From igofaster at att.net Tue May 1 09:48:36 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 08:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta Message-ID: <1335887316.61747.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> was truly an experience to drive the track for the first time... my track-mate shows I hit 101 mph on the back straight and the front straight... I thought I was faster on the back. Still a lot bummed about not being able to run with Jason and Newman in the other two GT6's... the pleasure was softened by Peggy and Kas being extra warm, generous, and sharing... a memory of a lifetime for me, thanks Kas... We joked signing my car "ready to push..." but graciously signed "racing soon, Kas Kastner" ... awesome.. On the DL I got the GT6 on stands last night, went to drain the oil, and a LOT of water came out. Hoping it is only the head gasket but there's no telling. #2 piston is not in the slot when turning over, bent valve, and pieces of the piston (we think) we're in the front carb... strange... there was no crying or muffled handgun discharged in the black Ford van with the black enclosed sleeping quarters of yours truly... I was threatened to be blocked in if I tried to leave thursday night... my attitude improved a lot friday... I came away from the Mitty with a new slogan "Never met a Triumph person I didn't like" ... seems appropriate... Bobby Whitehead From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 1 10:18:48 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 12:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Another Nomination [nimination?] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CEF5CD3958AC61-8C8-1BB20@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> Hart Family all.....belong. TR250K AND DEVIN TRIUMPH trumps MGB...... Most of us likely had a MG first.....even Kas. 2nd Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley To: Friends Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 11:04 am Subject: [Fot] Another Nomination [nimination?] He is not a Triumph guy -- in fact he races a B. But he is good at it, and certainly part of our family since he attends and races at every Kas Kup. I would like to nominate Will Hart, son of Bill Hart [#98 TR powered Devin] and travel companion/all around helper of Tony Garmey who maintains the car. -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 1 10:39:04 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 11:39:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another Nomination [nimination?] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll gladly second that, although you'll need to include his e-mail address for Mark to add him to the list. Tony Drews At 10:32 AM 5/1/2012, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: >He is not a Triumph guy -- in fact he races a B. But he is good at it, and >certainly part of our family since he attends and races at every Kas Kup. >I would like to nominate Will Hart, son of Bill Hart [#98 TR powered Devin] >and travel companion/all around helper of Tony Garmey who maintains the car. > >-- >Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From cofrog at q.com Tue May 1 12:54:38 2012 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 14:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Crankshaft In-Reply-To: <1177610957.1565761.1335898365710.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <297435576.1565844.1335898478954.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> I'm in need of a good TR3/4 crankshaft. Prefer one with stock sized journals. One near Denver would be best for a local pickup but beggars can't be choosers. Thanks, Dan From mnewman at embarqmail.com Tue May 1 15:10:15 2012 From: mnewman at embarqmail.com (William T newman) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 17:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] 2012 Mitty In-Reply-To: <2120212493.2460363.1335903532468.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: <126288481.2462399.1335906615048.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> To All: Mary and I got back to our home in Florida about 1:00 PM today. Everything still is in good shape, inlcuding the GT6. The Mitty was the best weekend we have had in a long time. I want to thank Kas and Peggy for being there as the guests of honor (thanks Kas for signing my car door on Friday). Thanks to Tim Suddard and his team for their sponsorship of the event, as well as the Vintage Triumph Register ( I enjoyed talking to Mike Cook). We established many new friendships, most noteably, the Sulkey family, the Alexander family, the Kahlers and all the others of our Triumph Friends. I had a fun time with Bill Collins, John Hasty and Sean Alexander in the Kastner Cup Race on Saturday. Good job Sean, pasing me before the finish! The Sunday race was also a lot of fun with hard pressure from Bill Collins, Greg Kimbrough and Bob Kramer (Good job Bob, you got me!). I had a great time and would like to to it again with you folks in Forida. I will be willing to help to set something up at Sebring if anyone is interested. Bill Newman #44 GT6 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 1 15:47:46 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 23:47:46 +0200 Subject: [Fot] 2nd action on my rebuild engine.... In-Reply-To: <4D9EC73A08254041B46C0DCB3A79A9DC@gdhs.local> References: <000901cd26a3$38dffae0$aa9ff0a0$@com><1335790323.25276.YahooMailClassic@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000801cd2709$ab4ab000$01e01000$@com> <4D9EC73A08254041B46C0DCB3A79A9DC@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <003101cd27e4$0ee30c40$2ca924c0$@com> Another one.....richer idle jets.....but they're making the engine lazy. Going back lean tomorrow: http://youtu.be/EO88kBJQh9U Cheers Chris From triosan at gmail.com Tue May 1 16:24:31 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 15:24:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mitty who was the driver? Message-ID: Black Spit number 16? -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 1 17:29:02 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:29:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2012 Mitty In-Reply-To: <126288481.2462399.1335906615048.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> References: <126288481.2462399.1335906615048.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: <7615F872-C02E-42CD-A275-061613DA65BD@gdhs.com> Bill... Come join us at the VDCA events at Roebling rd Savannah... 2 more left This year Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 5:10 PM, William T newman wrote: > To All: > Mary and I got back to our home in Florida about 1:00 PM today. Everything still is in good shape, inlcuding the GT6. The Mitty was the best weekend we have had in a long time. I want to thank Kas and Peggy for being there as the guests of honor (thanks Kas for signing my car door on Friday). Thanks to Tim Suddard and his team for their sponsorship of the event, as well as the Vintage Triumph Register ( I enjoyed talking to Mike Cook). > We established many new friendships, most noteably, the Sulkey family, the Alexander family, the Kahlers and all the others of our Triumph Friends. > I had a fun time with Bill Collins, John Hasty and Sean Alexander in the Kastner Cup Race on Saturday. Good job Sean, pasing me before the finish! The Sunday race was also a lot of fun with hard pressure from Bill Collins, Greg Kimbrough and Bob Kramer (Good job Bob, you got me!). > I had a great time and would like to to it again with you folks in Forida. I will be willing to help to set something up at Sebring if anyone is interested. > > Bill Newman > #44 GT6 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue May 1 17:40:36 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] So.... In-Reply-To: <004501cd26c8$51c608e0$f5521aa0$@com> References: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com> <72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com> <004501cd26c8$51c608e0$f5521aa0$@com> Message-ID: Hey - I'll echo the WOW thing. I took about 1700 pix, but there's a lot of "tossers" in there, so it'll be more like 50 or 60 when I'm done. Maybe a bit more than that. Standing at the fence sticking my camera through a hole with various race cars shooting by at speed - THANKYOU SO MUCH FOR THE CREDS, that's one for the bucket list. Thanks to Joe, Henry, Andy Reid and the folks from GRM / Classic Motorsports. To Clark's query "Did anyone see Ric Cline?" I did not. But I am next to positive that I saw Fletcher Willliams walk by Henry's paddock spot, but he didn't stop to chat and I didn't feel like chasing him down for a picture, it was late FRI I think and I was pretty "burnt". I haven't had a chance to see if any of the _FILM_ that I shot worked out, but if so, I'll post a message here and we can figure out if "we" want to do anything with it. On the plus side, if there's a chance to shoot a pano shot at the next FOT event, I'll do it. I promose to be more organized and READY next time. In any case, I'll be sending copies of the the pix to Henry for getting them on the FOT site and I'll likely post some of the better shots on Flickr or SmugMug or Facebook. It is my intention to also post some onfo on what shots I do have and I'll include some instructions on how you can get a shot or shots of your car(s) "royalty free". More on that later. Last - if anyone found a 4 GB CF memory card in the FOT paddock, it's probably the one that I can't seem to find. I'm note 100% sure where I dropped it, but I took it out of the camera THU around noon and have no recollection of seeing it after that, so, I probably left it on a hard surface or it dropped out of my pocket somewhere. In any case, if you found it or saw it, drop me a line. Looking forward to the other RA in 2013. Maybe I'll even have a Triumph there!!! c ya, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 1 17:41:25 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:41:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mitty who was the driver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pay Ryan..... He'I'my opinion Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 6:24 PM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" wrote: > Black Spit number 16? > > -- > Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue May 1 17:45:34 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Mitty who was the driver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The time sheet from the SAT practice says: Patrick Ryan rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1 May 2012, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > Black Spit number 16? > > -- > Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang at isis.mit.edu From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 1 17:46:15 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:46:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mitty who was the driver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0AC76BF2-FF54-4D59-A5A0-DA8EB192E857@gdhs.com> The quickest Spit on the east coast. A bad drive shaft tore up 2 trams this weekend. His normal # is 6 He's from Ashville NC Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 7:41 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Pay Ryan..... He'I'my opinion > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 1, 2012, at 6:24 PM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" wrote: > >> Black Spit number 16? >> >> -- >> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 1 17:48:45 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:48:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mitty who was the driver? In-Reply-To: <0AC76BF2-FF54-4D59-A5A0-DA8EB192E857@gdhs.com> References: <0AC76BF2-FF54-4D59-A5A0-DA8EB192E857@gdhs.com> Message-ID: Wow my Iphone skills are bad Pat Ryan Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 7:46 PM, John Hasty wrote: > The quickest Spit on the east coast. A bad drive shaft tore up 2 trams this weekend. His normal # is 6 He's from Ashville NC > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 1, 2012, at 7:41 PM, John Hasty wrote: > >> Pay Ryan..... He'I'my opinion >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 1, 2012, at 6:24 PM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" wrote: >> >>> Black Spit number 16? >>> >>> -- >>> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From triosan at gmail.com Tue May 1 17:50:39 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 16:50:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] More Mitty Pictures Message-ID: One of each driver, some pairs, groups and people. Not all captions in yet, but wanted to get this posted. https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737711953382744881/5737712256844391666 -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From jason at multivintage.com Tue May 1 17:52:28 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 18:52:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FGR at Road Atlanta (video exclusive) Message-ID: I had always heard about how great Road Atlanta was. Stories were often told around racer's campfires about the parties on the hill and the fierce production car battles that took place at the runoffs. I watched races on T.V. over the years and had prepared for the weekend by analyzing several in car youtube videos. Not surprisingly, the track must be seen and raced to be understood . It really is a fabulous track. Unique (I think) mostly based on its several very fast blind corners and extreme elevation changes. To go fast you must make several leaps of faith... that there will be a track underneath you as plunge downward. The car gets very lite and very heavy and is constantly undulating through quickly changing horizons. Until you are able to figure out where to be on the track in certain areas, it can be quite daunting. Once you figure out where to be, it is quite exhilarating and a fantastic. What a track, what a weekend, what a great group of Triumph fanatics. Anyway, some video should save me 1000's of words. Here we have the final Triumph feature race. Here's the race from mid-pack eventually for 8th place. I'm chasing down Greg Blake(TR3A), Sean Alexander(TR4) and David Cizmas (TR6) I am hounded the whole race by the three spits of Greg Kimbrough, Joe Hovey, and Bill Collins as well as the TR3A of John Hasty. . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMA0T4nflGk&feature=email The last lap charge towards the sweet TR6 in Hot Wheels green livery gave me my best time of the weekend a 1:54.7. Enjoy! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Tue May 1 18:57:41 2012 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jaxon Racing) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 20:57:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] More Mitty Pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57CAB5D7-6DE9-49F9-AEC5-FD6105151C32@yahoo.com> Some excellent photos. And video. Keep them coming !!!! Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 7:50 PM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" wrote: > One of each driver, some pairs, groups and people. Not all captions in > yet, but wanted to get this posted. > > https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737711953382 744881/5737712256844391666 > > -- > Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaxonracing at yahoo.com From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 1 21:43:41 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 22:43:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 race report part 1 of 2 Message-ID: Finished getting my newly built cylinder head working properly with the rest of the race car on Sunday prior to the event at 4:30 pm, still had a few hours to spare... Left Wed AM, arrived Thursday afternoon. The Pro paddock was pretty much completely full at that point. After moving around a bit I finally found a spot by Randy Williams beautifully prepared cars - a TR-3 and a lovely Jag E-type. Friday practice was uneventful for me, but I was able to play with Henry Frye, Mark Wheatley, and George Wright. I was gratified to see that my new head (which had been milled and had a good valve job but no porting) performed well - I could keep up with Henry and Mark on the straights. Saturday was forecast to be fairly hot, but a low cloud cover kept things cool right up until the K-cup race. Qualifying was in cool dense air and the car loved it. Got down to the low 1:51's and qualified 5th. Unfortunately, Henry blew up partway through qualifying. I got two flying laps before they black flagged the session and another couple once they got us going again. For the big race, we had quite a pre-race ceremony. There were high school cheerleaders in their outfits which were stationed by the cars, some of them with British and Grassroots Motorsports flags. There were driver interviews, including yours truly. Afterwards, I was told that I sounded very professional over the PA. Then they gridded us up in the proper spots - Randy Williams was originally put at the back of the pack due to no qualify time (clutch problem?), but they placed him back in 7th or 8th which was about where he'd been running. Good of them to do that. Kas gave the "Gentlemen (I cringed) and Susan (I smiled), Start Your Engines!" to get us going properly. I ended up on the inside of the 3rd row as we came to the green. Tony Garmey in the TR250-K set a starting speed that was perfect for me, I anticipated the green nicely and was gaining ground. Inside was blocked by Mark Wheatley, so I moved up the middle, then worked my way to the outside for turn 1. Got a great run through turn 1 and was in 3rd place by turn 2. Of course, no place to go but down from there... Had a great time trying to hold off Mark Wheatley and George Wright, but they both eventually got by me. Randy passed me like I wasn't even moving on his way to the front. I had been very pleased to be faster than him all weekend - turned out he must have been taking it easy until the race. I ended up in 8th place, with an ear to ear grin. Randy Williams won the Kastner Cup for an inspired drive in a really pretty, well prepared TR-3. Much deserved. to be continued... Tony Drews From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 1 21:44:45 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 22:44:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 race report part 2 of 2 Message-ID: Continued... Sunday's race (scheduled for 4 but actually run at 5) saw fewer cars there but still a decent turn out. It was pretty hot by then. I was on the inside of the 3rd row again at the start with Randy and George in front of me. We had a bit of a faster start, and I didn't get as good of a start this time. I got passed by a TR-6 pretty quickly. He had more motor than me, but I was much quicker in the twisties. I hounded him for a lap and a half and he went too deep into turn 7 coming onto the back straight hurting his entry speed. I nailed the entry and was able to keep alongside him down the straight, outbraking him into the chicane at the end. I carried a ton of speed into the blind entry, downhill, flat out turn 12 (one of the great corners in motor racing) coming onto the front straight, stayed ahead going into the esses after the front straight and gapped out on him nicely. Unfortunately George Wright was just far enough ahead that I couldn't catch up with him and make it more interesting. But, I was keeping up with him and kept finding more speed in the corners. On the social side, Thursday night we ordered in Sonny's barbeque and had pretty much the whole Triumph contingent together for it. I thought that was a great idea! Friday night, the track had a party - I went for a bit, but it was crowded, loud, had lines for everything so I left pretty quickly. I found the Triumph guys had been invited into the private tent for a Lotus 23 racer who had a Semi and motorhome, a crew of 5 or 6, a crew chief, a lovely wife, and a chef cooking fish and chips. They were the best fish and chips I think I've ever had. Since we were racing pretty early Saturday I didn't stay too late. Saturday night I skipped the track party and hung out with Henry, Mark and more of the east coast contingent - Bob Lang was there too. We had burgers on the grill, leftover barbeque chicken, a number of adult beverages and solved the world's problems (not sure I remember the solutions, though). Kas was there, I saw Elliot Forbes Robinson at the track party, Bob Johns (original factory Sebring driver) was there, Bob Tullius was at the trophy presentation, Sam Halkias brought several cars - unfortunately they got dinged up pretty good. We had guys from both coasts, a TON of Triumph street car guys - folks driving and flying in. Awesome. The atmosphere in the Triumph crew was great, and I had a blast. Road Atlanta is a fun track to drive and also a fun track to race head to head on (NOT the same thing). The blind entry to the esses and especially the blind entry at 90 or so heading onto the front straight - I'm guessing that I was doing 105 to 110 through the turn at the bottom of the hill going onto the front straight - are thrilling every time. Tony Drews From emanteno at comcast.net Tue May 1 22:04:12 2012 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 23:04:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] So.... In-Reply-To: References: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com> <72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com> <004501cd26c8$51c608e0$f5521aa0$@com> Message-ID: On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > But I am next to positive that I saw Fletcher Willliams walk by Henry's > paddock spot, but he didn't stop to chat and I didn't feel like chasing him > down for a picture, it was late FRI I think and I was pretty "burnt". > I saw Fletcher Williams visiting with Sam Halkias. A terrific photo opportunity lost because I wasn't packing at the time. It was very cool. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 2 06:52:42 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 14:52:42 +0200 Subject: [Fot] 2nd action on my rebuild engine.... In-Reply-To: <4D9EC73A08254041B46C0DCB3A79A9DC@gdhs.local> References: <000901cd26a3$38dffae0$aa9ff0a0$@com><1335790323.25276.YahooMailClassic@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000801cd2709$ab4ab000$01e01000$@com> <4D9EC73A08254041B46C0DCB3A79A9DC@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <000301cd2862$7a487f50$6ed97df0$@com> Adjustments making progress: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmSUohHeXHM Cheers Chris From triosan at gmail.com Wed May 2 09:30:34 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 08:30:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mitty race start photos Message-ID: Follow this link to see the pregrid and the actual race start. Let me know if you cannot access these. https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737956856713038417 Chuck -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed May 2 11:04:23 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 13:04:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty Message-ID: <4FA16917.4020007@bright.net> Hello lists. The Kastner Cup race was great. Lots of cars, good competition and fun. The Kastner Cup shirt was a hit and many people requested additional shirts. There seems to be enough interest to do one more run of shirts. We are donating a portion of the proceeds from the sale of all the Kastner Cup shirts to Mark Bradakis, the operator and majordomo of all the team.net sites. Mark's efforts benefit all of us in this hobby - racers, restorer's or just plain interested enthusiasts. Even if we don't get a sufficient number of orders, please donate to team.net. Kas likes the idea of Mark getting some extra funds and might be persuaded to autograph your shirt. Details worked out between buyers and Kas. Email Kas at kaskas at cox.net. We have a final order date of close of business, May 14. Tuesday we are go or no/go. Shirts will be $15 for size small through XL. $18 for XXL or XXXL. (price does not include shipping) You need to contact us with your name, shipping address and method of payment - Visa/MasterCard/Discover or send a check - no PayPal. If we have enough orders, shirts will be printed and shipped. If we do not have a sufficient number of orders,your information will be shredded. A minimum of 48 orders is needed. For those who have not seen the shirt, here is a link to view the shirt. http://littlebluespitfire.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=6612 Order early, order often. Thanks for all your support. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US& Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From harmug at us.ibm.com Wed May 2 13:17:37 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 15:17:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Some more pictures from the K cup pre race event and general weekend images. https://picasaweb.google.com/103707539158952448697/TheMitty2012# mike G. Michael Harmuth From BillDentin at aol.com Wed May 2 13:23:27 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 15:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty Message-ID: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> Ted...et al... I wore my FOT shirt on Saturday and my KASTNER CUP shirt on Sunday. At least a dozen people asked me where they could get an FOT shirt. Most of these were either carrying or wearing the KASTNER CUP shirt. I don't know if they walked back up there or not, but I sent all of them back to your vendor stand. Did any show up asking about FOT shirts? Point being, there sure seemed to be some interest in acquiring that shirt as well. Is it still available? I'd take two. Bill Dentinger From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed May 2 13:47:58 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 15:47:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle Message-ID: <4FA18F6E.9090107@bright.net> Hello list. We will be at Import Carlisle. Our space #'s are D50 and D51. If you need anything brought out to the event, free shipping is good, please let us know. We will have gear reduciton starters, steel braided brake and clutch hoses, suspension components and ???. Stop by and say hello. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US& Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From rikrock at live.com Wed May 2 16:40:03 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 18:40:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle In-Reply-To: <4FA18F6E.9090107@bright.net> References: <4FA18F6E.9090107@bright.net> Message-ID: Bill DeWar and I will also be at Carlisle in spaces A-35-39. Assorted TR, TVR, and race-related stuff. Rich Rock From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 2 17:01:52 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 19:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty In-Reply-To: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks to Ted, Steve, and Marty's efforts. The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: tedtsimx ; FOT ; triumphs ; nass ; spitfires ; 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net>; tr8 Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 3:35 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty Ted...et al... I wore my FOT shirt on Saturday and my KASTNER CUP shirt on Sunday. At least a dozen people asked me where they could get an FOT shirt. Most of these were either carrying or wearing the KASTNER CUP shirt. I don't know if they walked back up there or not, but I sent all of them back to your vendor stand. Did any show up asking about FOT shirts? Point being, there sure seemed to be some interest in acquiring that shirt as well. Is it still available? I'd take two. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From westerneagleracing at att.net Wed May 2 17:23:03 2012 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 16:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank Message-ID: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> FOT, I am having the engine in my TR4A race car rebuilt. Are there any alternatives to a billet crank? We are looking for about 150hp (not a super powerful 170-190). Thanks. Western Eagle Racing/Ron Jacobs From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed May 2 17:56:35 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 19:56:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle References: <4FA18F6E.9090107@bright.net> Message-ID: Ted, what's the date on that? Thanks, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Schumacher" To: ; "FOT" ; "TR list" ; "TR8 CCCA Listing" ; "6-Pack" <6pack at autox.team.net>; Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 3:47 PM Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle > Hello list. We will be at Import Carlisle. Our space #'s are D50 and D51. > If you need anything brought out to the event, free shipping is good, > please let us know. We will have gear reduciton starters, steel braided > brake and clutch hoses, suspension components and ???. Stop by and say > hello. Thanks, Ted > > -- > Ted Schumacher > tedtsimx at bright.net > http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com > 108 S. Jefferson St. > Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 > Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) > Phone: 800.543.6648 (US& Canada) > Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 2 18:20:41 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 20:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank In-Reply-To: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CEF6D9B4D6D5F5-1CAC-2CC9C@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> We ran 19 years without having a broken crank. Without any special preparation. Now we have a billet crank, but only because we came into a 'cracked' billet crank. I was going to make another end table out of. It sat unprotected on a pallet in a storage shed for about 4 years, when I decided to get a 'second opinion'. It was pronounced 'good' AT TWO DIFFERENT MACHINE SHOPS. Otherwise we would still be running a stock crank. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: westerneagleracing To: fot Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 6:52 pm Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank FOT, I am having the engine in my TR4A race car rebuilt. Are there any alternatives to a billet crank? We are looking for about 150hp (not a super powerful 170-190). Thanks. Western Eagle Racing/Ron Jacobs _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From billdentin at aol.com Wed May 2 18:47:18 2012 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 20:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty In-Reply-To: <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CEF6DD6CD63276-2348-25C32@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks to Ted, Steve, and Marty's efforts. The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. Joe..et all... I did not know that. Bill Dentinger PS Probably a Good Rule, but seems somewhat out of character for this group. I am not suggesting a change! From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 2 18:51:15 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 20:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty In-Reply-To: <8CEF6DD6CD63276-2348-25C32@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> <8CEF6DD6CD63276-2348-25C32@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CEF6DDF9F2ACCC-1CAC-2CFD4@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> It makes us feel special, having our own shirt. It sets us apart. If you dont have one, you should. Although there is no rule that says you have to have one. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: billdentin To: n197tr4 ; tedtsimx ; FOT Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 7:47 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks to Ted, Steve, and Marty's efforts. The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. Joe..et all... I did not know that. Bill Dentinger PS Probably a Good Rule, but seems somewhat out of character for this group. I am not suggesting a change! From mnewman at embarqmail.com Wed May 2 18:52:34 2012 From: mnewman at embarqmail.com (William T newman) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 20:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <132706727.2505999.1336005922224.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: <109237921.2506197.1336006354676.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Hello List: I would like to nominate my good friend Gary Maue for membership in our mostly organized group. Gary is an autocrosser of note and is the current owner of the Ro-Spit that he purchased from Tim Suddard. He also has a very nice Spitfire 1500 along with a few old Minis. Do we have a second? Bill Newman #44 GT6 From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed May 2 19:23:39 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (tedtsimx at bright.net) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 21:23:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty In-Reply-To: <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <251f8b21-d80c-4cba-9cda-287737d1a30e@blur> Joe, et al. Total agreement with FOT staying "inside" the group. Not sure if there is enough interest to do another run of FOT t.shirts. Ted Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Joe Alexander To: BillDentin at aol.com, tedtsimx at bright.net, FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 23:01:52 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks to Ted, Steve, and Marty's efforts. The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: tedtsimx ; FOT ; triumphs ; nass ; spitfires ; 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net>; tr8 Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 3:35 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty Ted...et al... I wore my FOT shirt on Saturday and my KASTNER CUP shirt on Sunday. At least a dozen people asked me where they could get an FOT shirt. Most of these were either carrying or wearing the KASTNER CUP shirt. I don't know if they walked back up there or not, but I sent all of them back to your vendor stand. Did any show up asking about FOT shirts? Point being, there sure seemed to be some interest in acquiring that shirt as well. Is it still available? I'd take two. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed May 2 19:57:12 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 21:57:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: Seconded. The Ro-spit is reason enough, but another Spit and Minis? Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad William T newman wrote: >Hello List: >I would like to nominate my good friend Gary Maue for membership in our mostly organized group. Gary is an autocrosser of note and is the current owner of the Ro-Spit that he purchased from Tim Suddard. He also has a very nice Spitfire 1500 along with a few old Minis. >Do we have a second? > >Bill Newman #44 GT6 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From jason at multivintage.com Wed May 2 20:01:35 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 21:01:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty In-Reply-To: <8CEF6DDF9F2ACCC-1CAC-2CFD4@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> <8CEF6DD6CD63276-2348-25C32@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> <8CEF6DDF9F2ACCC-1CAC-2CFD4@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Clearly, above all others, FOT is THE Triumph racing group. Or Non group. Even my Mitty crew chief, Brian laughs and has started his own group... Friends of Friends of Triumph. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > It makes us feel special, having our own shirt. > > It sets us apart. > > If you dont have one, you should. > > Although there is no rule that says you have to have one. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: billdentin > To: n197tr4 ; tedtsimx ; FOT > > Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 7:47 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty > > > > > The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks > to Ted, > Steve, and Marty's efforts. > > The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. > > I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. > > > > > > Joe..et all... > > I did not know that. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS Probably a Good Rule, but seems somewhat out of character for this > group. > I am not suggesting a change! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed May 2 20:16:44 2012 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 19:16:44 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty Message-ID: <13220485.1336011404387.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I wear my FOT shirt when I go underneath my TR3. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Joe Alexander >Sent: May 2, 2012 5:51 PM >To: billdentin at aol.com, tedtsimx at bright.net, FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty > > It makes us feel special, having our own shirt. > >It sets us apart. > >If you dont have one, you should. > >Although there is no rule that says you have to have one. > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: billdentin >To: n197tr4 ; tedtsimx ; FOT > >Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 7:47 pm >Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty > > > > >The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks to Ted, >Steve, and Marty's efforts. > >The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. > >I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. > > > > > >Joe..et all... > >I did not know that. > >Bill Dentinger > >PS Probably a Good Rule, but seems somewhat out of character for this group. >I am not suggesting a change! >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From tony at tonydrews.com Wed May 2 20:42:19 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 21:42:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank In-Reply-To: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: As I understand it, the stock crank will live pretty much forever if you shift at 5,000 RPM. If well prepared (good radius between bearing surfaces and the rest of the crank, possibly nitrided as well), it will live a number of seasons shifting at 5,500 RPM. When you start running it to 6,000 RPM, that's when the longevity drops pretty quickly - a season or two is about it before the #4 journal section goes. Some last longer than others. Sometimes when it goes it doesn't take out much else, sometimes it kills the block and a rod or two. Tony Drews At 06:23 PM 5/2/2012, westerneagleracing at att.net wrote: >FOT, >I am having the engine in my TR4A race car rebuilt. Are there any >alternatives >to a billet crank? We are looking for about 150hp (not a super >powerful >170-190). >Thanks. >Western Eagle Racing/Ron Jacobs >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed May 2 20:43:21 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 22:43:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <109237921.2506197.1336006354676.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> References: <132706727.2505999.1336005922224.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com>, <109237921.2506197.1336006354676.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: Second! I was wondering what happened to that Spit. Welcome to the group Gary. Marty > Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 20:52:34 -0400 > From: mnewman at embarqmail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > CC: maueman at yahoo.com > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > Hello List: > I would like to nominate my good friend Gary Maue for membership in our mostly organized group. Gary is an autocrosser of note and is the current owner of the Ro-Spit that he purchased from Tim Suddard. He also has a very nice Spitfire 1500 along with a few old Minis. > Do we have a second? > > Bill Newman #44 GT6 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Wed May 2 22:29:17 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 21:29:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank In-Reply-To: <20120503032220.50C782D02E0@autox.team.net> References: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120503032220.50C782D02E0@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4FA2099D.5060306@gmail.com> On 5/2/12 7:42 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > As I understand it, the stock crank will live pretty much forever if > you shift at 5,000 RPM. If well prepared (good radius between bearing > surfaces and the rest of the crank, possibly nitrided as well), it > will live a number of seasons shifting at 5,500 RPM. When you start > running it to 6,000 RPM, that's when the longevity drops pretty > quickly - a season or two is about it before the #4 journal section > goes. Some last longer than others. Sometimes when it goes it > doesn't take out much else, sometimes it kills the block and a rod or > two. > > Tony Drews I don't remember the RPMs and I can't find them in my notes so my numbers will be a little iffy. The way I heard it is that stock granks hold up well below the 5000 RPM red line. A little above 5000 RPM (5200ish?) there is a strong harmonic that tends to break the crank at the base of the flywheel mounting flange. The common way to tame this harmonic is with an aftermarket harmonic dampener. At full acceleration I commonly shift at 6000 RPM. My crank has a dampener & is nitrided and has held up well so far. It is my understanding that there is a second major harmonic around 6200 to 6400ish RPMs that wants to break the crank in the middle. I stay away from that harmonic because I don't think even a nitrided crank would hold up to that one for long. Wishing I could find my notes on the subect, Teriann From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed May 2 23:22:41 2012 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 22:22:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank References: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, a properly prepared, nitrided, stock crank is good for 6800 rpm and 160 hp for a long time with light rods, pistons, and an aluminum flywheel with a diaphragm clutch. It does not need a damper on the front. It does need nice radiuses on all of the journals, a good balance, and nitriding is essential. Greg Solow From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 3 00:03:56 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 00:03:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty In-Reply-To: <251f8b21-d80c-4cba-9cda-287737d1a30e@blur> References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> <251f8b21-d80c-4cba-9cda-287737d1a30e@blur> Message-ID: <4FA21FCC.30901@bradakis.com> I'm wearing this year's shirt as I sit here going through email. mjb. From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Thu May 3 00:00:52 2012 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 16:00:52 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank In-Reply-To: <4FA2099D.5060306@gmail.com> References: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120503032220.50C782D02E0@autox.team.net> <4FA2099D.5060306@gmail.com> Message-ID: TeriAnn, You are absolutely correct about wanting to stay away from any crankshafts natural frequency. Operating in this range will induce crankshaft 'whip' and severe bending moments into the crankshaft. Breaking the crank somewhere in the middle is quite typical of this failure mode as the nose of the crank and the rear of the crank are bending 180 degrees out of phase with each other. Flywheel bolts that shear as a result of stretching is another indicator you are in the natural frequency zone. No amount of nitriding or any other surface treatment known to mankind will stop it breaking. Lots of racing boat people learn this lesson quickly! Trying to run at a set RPM range that coincides with the cranks natural frequency! Extremely expensive mistake when it can be avoided by operating a few hundred RPM higher or lower! Cheers... Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Thursday, 3 May 2012 2:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 crank On 5/2/12 7:42 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > As I understand it, the stock crank will live pretty much forever if > you shift at 5,000 RPM. If well prepared (good radius between bearing > surfaces and the rest of the crank, possibly nitrided as well), it > will live a number of seasons shifting at 5,500 RPM. When you start > running it to 6,000 RPM, that's when the longevity drops pretty > quickly - a season or two is about it before the #4 journal section > goes. Some last longer than others. Sometimes when it goes it > doesn't take out much else, sometimes it kills the block and a rod or > two. > > Tony Drews I don't remember the RPMs and I can't find them in my notes so my numbers will be a little iffy. The way I heard it is that stock granks hold up well below the 5000 RPM red line. A little above 5000 RPM (5200ish?) there is a strong harmonic that tends to break the crank at the base of the flywheel mounting flange. The common way to tame this harmonic is with an aftermarket harmonic dampener. At full acceleration I commonly shift at 6000 RPM. My crank has a dampener & is nitrided and has held up well so far. It is my understanding that there is a second major harmonic around 6200 to 6400ish RPMs that wants to break the crank in the middle. I stay away from that harmonic because I don't think even a nitrided crank would hold up to that one for long. Wishing I could find my notes on the subect, Teriann _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic at netspace.net.au From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 3 00:12:11 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 00:12:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Neat car Message-ID: <4FA221BB.2020206@bradakis.com> I actually meant to add more to that last message. As those of you who are on the main Team.Net triumph list know, the fellow who owns TS1 brought it into the shop for an oil change. It was neat to have such an interesting car to work on. Actually Ricky did most of the work, I stood there drooling and taking a few pictures. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 3 01:05:56 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 07:05:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank Message-ID: Hi, I run a stock crank too. I use revs up to 6400 (rev limiter) but in most cases I shift around 6200. I got benefit of a light aluminium pulley on front and a 6 kg light flywheel / clutch unit. I found very tiny cracks at main 2 and 4 but we managed to grind them away. The crank is in my current race engine. I would say a stock crank is a good unit when to keep eyes on cracks and stay below 6800. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Thu May 3 04:15:37 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 06:15:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Powermax/Hepolite pistons Message-ID: <4FA25AC9.9010200@cfl.rr.com> Can anyone tell me if the Powermax/Hepolite pistons of the 70's and 80's are cast or forged? thxx, Bob From bkahler1 at gmail.com Thu May 3 05:20:38 2012 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 07:20:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) Message-ID: Amici, Are any of you Spitfire drivers using Quarter Master clutches on your race cars? If so what can you tell me about them? Anything special that would be nice to know before buying? We're thinking about switching to a Quarter Master flywheel and it is set up for their clutches only. Thanks, Brad From fogbro1 at comcast.net Thu May 3 05:23:45 2012 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 11:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR Cranks Message-ID: <1814940082.1107873.1336044225332.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Joe, Stock cranks will break at under 3000 rpm late Sunday night in the middle of Nowhere, Georgia, leaving you to continue your ride in a 544 Volvo driven by an itinerant cowboy, accompanied by his acoustic guitar. Good to see you this past weekend. Beautiful car. Ed From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 3 05:32:01 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 07:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR Cranks In-Reply-To: <1814940082.1107873.1336044225332.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1814940082.1107873.1336044225332.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CEF7377DF18608-2334-B39@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> Was there a banjo involved? Did you start to hear DUELING BANJOS? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: fogbro1 To: Joe Alexander Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Thu, May 3, 2012 6:23 am Subject: TR Cranks Joe, Stock cranks will break at under 3000 rpm late Sunday night in the middle of Nowhere, Georgia, leaving you to continue your ride in a 544 Volvo driven by an itinerant cowboy, accompanied by his acoustic guitar. Good to see you this past weekend. Beautiful car. Ed From maueman at yahoo.com Thu May 3 06:50:45 2012 From: maueman at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?bWF1ZW1hbkB5YWhvby5jb20=?=) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 08:50:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Nomination?= Message-ID: <693560.92419.bm@smtp101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks guys. Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! ----- Reply message ----- From: "Doug Mitchell" Date: Wed, May 2, 2012 9:57 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination To: "William T newman" Cc: "Fot" , Seconded. The Ro-spit is reason enough, but another Spit and Minis? Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad William T newman wrote: >Hello List: >I would like to nominate my good friend Gary Maue for membership in our mostly organized group. Gary is an autocrosser of note and is the current owner of the Ro-Spit that he purchased from Tim Suddard. He also has a very nice Spitfire 1500 along with a few old Minis. >Do we have a second? > >Bill Newman #44 GT6 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu May 3 06:57:32 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 08:57:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA? In-Reply-To: <007501cd2169$a703f6f0$f50be4d0$@com> References: <007501cd2169$a703f6f0$f50be4d0$@com> Message-ID: that "Beady Eye" crew still has the bicycle style steering wheel next to their comunications device, I want ask what the hand levers do ! On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > The Media Center is in the tower across the track from the infield pits > (last I knew, upper levels). Whether they will have WiFi up and running > you'll need to contact Road Atlanta. > > Otherwise the office building near the outfield entrance should have it, > whether it is open to everyone is a good question. > > Another option may be if one of the FOT has a cell phone/data plan that can > provide a "hot-spot" > > Aren't they using transponders for timing/scoring? Technology is in use. > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Thu May 3 08:16:03 2012 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don TR) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 10:16:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Neat car References: <4FA221BB.2020206@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <97802FA417DE4B28AC32930632CA4909@don> TS1 is really a very special car. I saw it in Auburn Indiana at TRA just after Joe Richards had completed its restoration. TS2 is another very special TR. Last summer, I was fortunate to drive TS2 for 23 days through England and Wales for a total of 2088 miles. I took it to the Antique Car Show at Newby Hall in Yorkshire, drove it four runs up the Harewood Hillclimb and attended the TR Register International Weekend in Harrogate (estimated 450 TRs of all kinds) where I was asked to lead the parade of International TRs. That was dream come true. Don Elliott, Original Owner, 1958 TR3A, Montreal ----------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 2:12 AM Subject: [Fot] Neat car >I actually meant to add more to that last message. As those of you > who are on the main Team.Net triumph list know, the fellow who owns > TS1 brought it into the shop for an oil change. It was neat to have > such an interesting car to work on. Actually Ricky did most of the > work, I stood there drooling and taking a few pictures. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu May 3 10:35:53 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 12:35:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank In-Reply-To: <20120503073746.9E5172D0879@autox.team.net> References: <20120503073746.9E5172D0879@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <323DC6BB895E46F492ABBDA3D5C3FD11@gdhs.local> Me too.....6000rpm John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 3:06 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 crank Hi, I run a stock crank too. I use revs up to 6400 (rev limiter) but in most cases I shift around 6200. I got benefit of a light aluminium pulley on front and a 6 kg light flywheel / clutch unit. I found very tiny cracks at main 2 and 4 but we managed to grind them away. The crank is in my current race engine. I would say a stock crank is a good unit when to keep eyes on cracks and stay below 6800. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed May 2 20:26:29 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 22:26:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FGR at Road Atlanta (video exclusive) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38D8EE83-3C2B-463A-BB95-E85D2D82C5A2@gdhs.com> Wow Jason just 3rd & 4th ... If I knew how to put my video on utube you could see e what it's like in a 4 banger. Turn 1 4 th turn 2 is 3rd turn 4 is 4 th through tunn 4 tturn 6 is 3 rd turn 7 is 3 rd & then to 3 rd O D back to 3rd for 8 is 2nd turn 9 on back straight is 5 th ( od) 10 & 10a is 2nd turn 11 is 3rd turn 12 is 4th & then 5 th (od) & back to 4th in 1 I ' ll try & see if the young guys in the office cac put it on youtube Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 7:52 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > I had always heard about how great Road Atlanta was. Stories were often > told around racer's campfires about the parties on the hill and the fierce > production car battles that took place at the runoffs. I watched races on > T.V. over the years and had prepared for the weekend by analyzing several > in car youtube videos. > Not surprisingly, the track must be seen and raced to be understood . > It really is a fabulous track. Unique (I think) mostly based on its several > very fast blind corners and extreme elevation changes. > To go fast you must make several leaps of faith... that there will be a > track underneath you as plunge downward. The car gets very lite and very > heavy and is constantly undulating through quickly changing horizons. > Until you are able to figure out where to be on the track in certain areas, > it can be quite daunting. > Once you figure out where to be, it is quite exhilarating and a fantastic. > What a track, what a weekend, what a great group of Triumph fanatics. > > Anyway, some video should save me 1000's of words. Here we have the final > Triumph feature race. > > Here's the race from mid-pack eventually for 8th place. > I'm chasing down Greg Blake(TR3A), Sean Alexander(TR4) and David Cizmas > (TR6) > I am hounded the whole race by the three spits of Greg Kimbrough, Joe > Hovey, and Bill Collins as well as the TR3A of John Hasty. > . > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMA0T4nflGk&feature=email > > The last lap charge towards the sweet TR6 in Hot Wheels green livery gave > me my best time of the weekend a 1:54.7. > > Enjoy! > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu May 3 10:42:45 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 12:42:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was looking at the various Spit engines in the paddock but I forgot to ask what kind of headers people were using. My car came with a set of Tri-Y and I replaced them with a new set two years ago. My understanding is these style help with low to mid range power. After getting passed, at a very good clip, on the RA straights last weekend, I'm looking at ways to get more power and still have the car SCCA H-Prod legal. Headers / exhaust system are one of the few areas where Prep level 2 engines are given free range. I'm thinking about a 4->1 style, like a Stahl, which I heard is better for top end. Any input is appreciated. thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth From gasket.works at gte.net Thu May 3 12:42:41 2012 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 18:42:41 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1530600928-1336070562-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-803338926-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> I purchased the individual Stahl pre-bent tubes, made my own flange and built my own header. 4 into one. Then used burns stainless collector (non-stainless). Fun to do if you can weld. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: George Harmuth Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 12:42:45 To: Subject: [Fot] Headers I was looking at the various Spit engines in the paddock but I forgot to ask what kind of headers people were using. My car came with a set of Tri-Y and I replaced them with a new set two years ago. My understanding is these style help with low to mid range power. After getting passed, at a very good clip, on the RA straights last weekend, I'm looking at ways to get more power and still have the car SCCA H-Prod legal. Headers / exhaust system are one of the few areas where Prep level 2 engines are given free range. I'm thinking about a 4->1 style, like a Stahl, which I heard is better for top end. Any input is appreciated. thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net From spitfiresuz at 141.com Thu May 3 13:15:11 2012 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:15:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Headers Message-ID: <380-22012543191511863@M2W132.mail2web.com> The Stahl is supposed to provide better flow but the bell housing needs to be modified (ground down) to let it pass. We're running a Stahl right now, and I have no quarrels with it. Just don't wrap it with header tape--if you feel the need to do something to it for heat issues, ceramic coating would probably be the way to go. Keep Triumphing, Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: George Harmuth harmug at us.ibm.com Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 12:42:45 -0400 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Headers I was looking at the various Spit engines in the paddock but I forgot to ask what kind of headers people were using. My car came with a set of Tri-Y and I replaced them with a new set two years ago. My understanding is these style help with low to mid range power. After getting passed, at a very good clip, on the RA straights last weekend, I'm looking at ways to get more power and still have the car SCCA H-Prod legal. Headers / exhaust system are one of the few areas where Prep level 2 engines are given free range. I'm thinking about a 4->1 style, like a Stahl, which I heard is better for top end. Any input is appreciated. thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From rocky at spitfire4.com Thu May 3 13:39:32 2012 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 14:39:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) References: Message-ID: <2A90151941A64CB48DAB418E5012B377@rocky> After I chewed up a flywheel/clutch, my engine builder hung a Quartermaster on my car. We did have some difficulties getting it to work right at first, eventually traced not to the Quartermaster setup but to the throwout arm/bearing in my bellhousing. Once we finally got that chased down, the QM has worked fine. But it is a bit of an on/off switch, to the point I find it difficult to drive the car on the trailer. So now we usually push it on, which with at least two pushing ain't so hard. --Rocky Entriken #4 Spitfire (HP race, GP solo) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 6:20 AM Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) > Amici, > > Are any of you Spitfire drivers using Quarter Master clutches on your race > cars? If so what can you tell me about them? Anything special that would > be nice to know before buying? > > We're thinking about switching to a Quarter Master flywheel and it is set > up for their clutches only. > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 3 13:48:06 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank In-Reply-To: <323DC6BB895E46F492ABBDA3D5C3FD11@gdhs.local> References: <20120503073746.9E5172D0879@autox.team.net> <323DC6BB895E46F492ABBDA3D5C3FD11@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <8CEF77CCB69D886-1824-2B29B@Webmail-d118.sysops.aol.com> With the Larry Young designed cam, power comes on much earlier, and shift points much lower. A well done crank as Greg and others describe improves the probability of sustained life. But something tells me that material and process quality at 'birth' will impact the outcomes. It appears, too, that even billet cranks are subject to failure...... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: john hasty To: tr4racing ; fot Sent: Thu, May 3, 2012 12:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 crank Me too.....6000rpm John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. 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The crank is in my current race engine. I would say a stock crank is a good unit when to keep eyes on cracks and stay below 6800. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jason at multivintage.com Thu May 3 14:06:37 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:06:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FGR at Road Atlanta (video exclusive) In-Reply-To: <38D8EE83-3C2B-463A-BB95-E85D2D82C5A2@gdhs.com> References: <38D8EE83-3C2B-463A-BB95-E85D2D82C5A2@gdhs.com> Message-ID: Love to see your video John, You were really putting on the pressure for a while. As far as using only 3rd and 4th...my stock trans is the week link of the GT6. the use of 2nd gear usually results in expensive grinding noises. Even with my intentionally limited shifting, I am only able to get an average of 3 race weekends out of a "fresh" stock gearbox. On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:26 PM, John Hasty wrote: > "Wow Jason just 3rd & 4th ... > I ' ll try & see if the young guys in the office can put it on youtube" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Thu May 3 14:25:23 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 16:25:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Mitty... Message-ID: I too, say thanks to all that made it happen. Now I have a much better idea of how much work goes into pulling off one of these big events, and it is not easy! Kudos to Joe Alexander for spearheading this project and making the annual Kastner Cup happen for us. While I am passing out thanks, everybody who was there needs to thank Tim Suddard, sometimes TR3 racer and the guy behind Classic Motorsports who made sure we felt like the featured marque all weekend! Behind Tim was Andy Reid, my contact to get everything we needed for a great time. These guys really did right by us, and I say thanks for everything! While I did not get to race my car in the Kastner Cup because of a somewhat minor malfunction, I was honored to have the chance to drive the most Vintage car in the field, Bill Dentinger's Frog Blue TR3. Thanks, Bill, that was a very memorable drive in a fabulous car! The tow was long, but well worth it, even if I came home with a car that needs a little repair. I have the engine apart, and have determined this is a little more than JB Weld is going to handle... Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com From malaboge at aol.com Thu May 3 14:28:30 2012 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 16:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Powermax/Hepolite pistons In-Reply-To: <4FA25AC9.9010200@cfl.rr.com> References: <4FA25AC9.9010200@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <8CEF782705D7652-2074-2A902@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com> Bob- Those pistons are cast. What are you tryin to build...and more importantly how far ya gonna rev that puppy? I've used those pistons in quite a few motors "back in the day" and with an "F" cam ya really wound it up...never had a problem with the pistons. Well actually had several problems with the pistons breaking, but it was usually because the remnants of the rod impacted the side of the skirts! Type cast myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Bob Davis To: fot Sent: Thu, May 3, 2012 3:43 am Subject: [Fot] Powermax/Hepolite pistons Can anyone tell me if the Powermax/Hepolite pistons of the 70's and 80's re cast or forged? thxx, ob ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu May 3 14:36:02 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:36:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Headers In-Reply-To: <380-22012543191511863@M2W132.mail2web.com> References: <380-22012543191511863@M2W132.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8E6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Based on my conversations with Susan's crew chief and head backhoe operator, the use of a Stahl in a Spitfire also requires some pretty good changes to the frame and right-side suspension upright. The frame lip on the right side of the engine has to be cut almost entirely away, as well as much of the rear lip on the inner portion of the suspension upright. The frame may also need notching at the collector depending on what collector you're using. Scott (B.) Headed for VSCDA's "Spring Break" weekend at Gingerman in 10 hours and 26 minutes. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spitfiresuz at 141.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 2:15 PM To: harmug at us.ibm.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Headers The Stahl is supposed to provide better flow but the bell housing needs to be modified (ground down) to let it pass. We're running a Stahl right now, and I have no quarrels with it. Just don't wrap it with header tape--if you feel the need to do something to it for heat issues, ceramic coating would probably be the way to go. Keep Triumphing, Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: George Harmuth harmug at us.ibm.com Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 12:42:45 -0400 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Headers I was looking at the various Spit engines in the paddock but I forgot to ask what kind of headers people were using. My car came with a set of Tri-Y and I replaced them with a new set two years ago. My understanding is these style help with low to mid range power. After getting passed, at a very good clip, on the RA straights last weekend, I'm looking at ways to get more power and still have the car SCCA H-Prod legal. Headers / exhaust system are one of the few areas where Prep level 2 engines are given free range. I'm thinking about a 4->1 style, like a Stahl, which I heard is better for top end. Any input is appreciated. thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 3 15:14:24 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 21:14:24 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) Message-ID: I use a Tilton unit. Nice thing and very quick shifting. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 3 15:24:43 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 21:24:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] First season's race @ Zandvoort Message-ID: Facing the first race in two weeks. More than 40 cars on the grid. Will be fun - I hope. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From gasket.works at gte.net Thu May 3 15:50:06 2012 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 21:50:06 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Crank calls Message-ID: <1358546017-1336081807-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1514876778-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> interesting crank photos on fot site. www.Fot-racing.com/cranks/crankshafts.htm There you will see three versions. The other two billet versions (moldex and some UK billet) are not pictured. The moldex design is as original save for being a machined chunk of good steel. Same with the other uk version. The end on view shows Crower version of our first design of "false" main. 55lbs. The latest and best is the lightest and has super oiling improvements. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From rek46 at aol.com Thu May 3 16:29:04 2012 From: rek46 at aol.com (=?utf-8?B?cmVrNDZAYW9sLmNvbQ==?=) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 18:29:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Quarter_Master_clutches_=28spitfire=29?= Message-ID: <201205032229.q43MT8bg030695@imr-da03.mx.aol.com> Wht size clutch?....I run the QM 5 1/2,woith single disc ppro rally disc..domt use tje dbl disc metallic,unless yu like drag racing Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! ----- Reply message ----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Date: Thu, May 3, 2012 5:14 pm Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) To: "Friends of Triumph" I use a Tilton unit. Nice thing and very quick shifting. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 3 16:35:34 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 00:35:34 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) In-Reply-To: <201205032229.q43MT8bg030695@imr-da03.mx.aol.com> References: <201205032229.q43MT8bg030695@imr-da03.mx.aol.com> Message-ID: <001301cd297d$103f09f0$30bd1dd0$@com> It is a 7 B I use a Tilton unit. Nice thing and very quick shifting. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Thu May 3 17:09:41 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 17:09:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FGR at Road Atlanta (video exclusive) In-Reply-To: References: <38D8EE83-3C2B-463A-BB95-E85D2D82C5A2@gdhs.com> Message-ID: Those of us that attended the race in Topeka have seen Jason's transmission R&R skills firsthand. Impressive. Is there a fix for this? Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On May 3, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Love to see your video John, You were really putting on the pressure for a > while. > As far as using only 3rd and 4th...my stock trans is the week link of the > GT6. > the use of 2nd gear usually results in expensive grinding noises. > Even with my intentionally limited shifting, I am only able to get an > average of 3 race weekends out of a "fresh" stock gearbox. > > > > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:26 PM, John Hasty wrote: > >> "Wow Jason just 3rd & 4th ... > > > >> I ' ll try & see if the young guys in the office can put it on youtube" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From rek46 at aol.com Thu May 3 17:14:50 2012 From: rek46 at aol.com (=?utf-8?B?cmVrNDZAYW9sLmNvbQ==?=) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 19:14:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Quarter_Master_clutches_=28spitfire=29?= Message-ID: <201205032314.q43NEu8k001131@imr-da06.mx.aol.com> Agree...i use a houseman/toyota comp tranny mod...un breakable Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! ----- Reply message ----- From: "MadMarx" Date: Thu, May 3, 2012 6:35 pm Subject: AW: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) To: , "'Friends of Triumph'" From jkhagen at charter.net Thu May 3 17:51:07 2012 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] The Mitty... Message-ID: <16e0a4ff.13f84e.137151d413f.Webtop.45@charter.net> Was the MOST vintage car there Pat Starrs' -same car same guy since 1960!--Watch for article fron Classics. JTH On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:25 PM, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: > I too, say thanks to all that made it happen. Now I have a much better > idea of how much work goes into pulling off one of these big events, > and it is not easy! Kudos to Joe Alexander for spearheading this > project and making the annual Kastner Cup happen for us. While I am > passing out thanks, everybody who was there needs to thank Tim > Suddard, sometimes TR3 racer and the guy behind Classic Motorsports > who made sure we felt like the featured marque all weekend! Behind Tim > was Andy Reid, my contact to get everything we needed for a great > time. These guys really did right by us, and I say thanks for > everything! > > While I did not get to race my car in the Kastner Cup because of a > somewhat minor malfunction, I was honored to have the chance to drive > the most Vintage car in the field, Bill Dentinger's Frog Blue TR3. > Thanks, Bill, that was a very memorable drive in a fabulous car! > > The tow was long, but well worth it, even if I came home with a car > that needs a little repair. I have the engine apart, and have > determined this is a little more than JB Weld is going to handle... > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From gasket.works at gte.net Thu May 3 17:57:00 2012 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 23:57:00 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches tr4 Message-ID: <1711067698-1336089421-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1365160362-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> I use dble disk 7.25 and with custom home built quartermaster hydraulic throw out bearing. Shifts easy, fast and no slip. No issue with Close ratio stock gear box. Works like a charm. M ------Original Message------ From: rek46 at aol.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: tr4racing at googlemail.com To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) Sent: May 3, 2012 3:29 PM Wht size clutch?....I run the QM 5 1/2,woith single disc ppro rally disc..domt use tje dbl disc metallic,unless yu like drag racing Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! ----- Reply message ----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Date: Thu, May 3, 2012 5:14 pm Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) To: "Friends of Triumph" I use a Tilton unit. Nice thing and very quick shifting. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From jason at multivintage.com Thu May 3 19:00:27 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 20:00:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FGR at Road Atlanta (video exclusive) In-Reply-To: References: <38D8EE83-3C2B-463A-BB95-E85D2D82C5A2@gdhs.com> Message-ID: There are several fixes. My key to even considering running the stock gearbox is my trick clutch (Tilton double disk 7.25)/ flywheel (custom) and larger throwout bearing (modified TR6). The best solution I suppose would be a full race setup... I saw a nice one in Mike Munson's TR6, and Sam H's SCCA set-up is rather solid....But these are very expensive gearboxes. Next there are several 5 speed conversions available that work very well. These are about 1/2 the price of a full race dog box. and give an extra gear beyond stock. Technically, neither of the above are legal for most period correct preparations but people get away with it (and rightly so because the only alternative is wasted $). To be more toward legal (for most organizations) it would come down to a TR4 or TR6 in which you can get away with super secret trick set of close ratio gears... which I imagine is rather nice. For now, I keep a fresh spare stock one all ready to go in my truck and have learned to simply do a full rebuild every couple races to avoid colossal failure. For later... I've been doing some research and talking with some VIP and will hopefully have something better soon. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing .. On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com < Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com> wrote: > Those of us that attended the race in Topeka have seen Jason's > transmission R&R skills firsthand. Impressive. Is there a fix for this? > > Ty > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > > On May 3, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > Love to see your video John, You were really putting on the pressure for > a > > while. > > As far as using only 3rd and 4th...my stock trans is the week link of the > > GT6. > > the use of 2nd gear usually results in expensive grinding noises. > > Even with my intentionally limited shifting, I am only able to get an > > average of 3 race weekends out of a "fresh" stock gearbox. > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:26 PM, John Hasty wrote: > > > >> "Wow Jason just 3rd & 4th ... > > > > > > > >> I ' ll try & see if the young guys in the office can put it on youtube" > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From igofaster at att.net Thu May 3 20:48:05 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] blog? Message-ID: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... Bobby From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 3 22:16:27 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 22:16:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FA3581B.2070700@bradakis.com> Bought any new cars lately? mjb. From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Thu May 3 22:48:19 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 21:48:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank calls In-Reply-To: <1358546017-1336081807-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1514876778-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <1358546017-1336081807-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1514876778-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <001501cd29b1$20a3fa60$0601a8c0@randall> > The end on view shows Crower version of our first design of > "false" main. 55lbs. The latest and best is the lightest and > has super oiling improvements. Just to hurt my feelings, Mordy, what does one of those go for? Could I buy a classic Porsche for that money, or just another Triumph? -- Randall From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri May 4 03:56:54 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 05:56:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0882D17074C04817A9FB71A8D66B0121@TRIUMPH.local> Bobby, I believe it is human nature to find something good when you look around and can always find someone less fortunate that yourself. No matter how low things seem, somebody else has been dealt a crappier hand than yours. Compare the race motor you brought home with what I brought home... ;-) Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:48 PM Subject: [Fot] blog? > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri May 4 05:30:16 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 06:30:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The first step is to recognize that you are not alone. Stuff breaks in racing and that is something we share with drivers outside the Triumph community. Yes the Porsche guys are more dependable, but for every one of those there is some guy like you and me thrashing on our Corvair, Fiat, MaGgot, FV or some other labor of love. Keep up the love! Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From harmug at us.ibm.com Fri May 4 06:38:17 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 08:38:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "the use of a Stahl in a Spitfire also requires some pretty good changes to the frame and right-side suspension upright. Thanks for the info everyone. My bell housing has a large notch in it and the frame rail looks like the flange was beat into submission sometime in the distant past. I'll bet there was a Stahl header installed by a PO. If not, I have a good start on the mods to put one on now. Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. Less pressure == better flow? thanks mike h G. Michael Harmuth From sjanzen at me.com Fri May 4 08:57:48 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 10:57:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yep, it's taken me years to sort out (and not done yet) my GT6. Mostly that's cuz I do it myself and learn by trial and error. I'm also undoing 40 years of accumulated "fixes" by past owners, decayed parts, etc. if I didn't like this aspect and/or had cubic dollars, there are one or two GT6 experts out there who could figure it out - New England Classic Car Co comes to mind. You really just have to decide what you enjoy or don't enjoy. If the history and ambiance of vintage don't outweigh the heartache and aggravation, there's always the German and Japanese crowd, or D sports racers. PS, I've always thought a vintage 240Z would be great, but then we would have to take you off the FOT list. On May 4, 2012, at 7:30 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: The first step is to recognize that you are not alone. Stuff breaks in racing and that is something we share with drivers outside the Triumph community. Yes the Porsche guys are more dependable, but for every one of those there is some guy like you and me thrashing on our Corvair, Fiat, MaGgot, FV or some other labor of love. Keep up the love! Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri May 4 09:11:09 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 11:11:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yea Bobby, that's called group FoT TheRaPy...... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:30 AM To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? The first step is to recognize that you are not alone. Stuff breaks in racing and that is something we share with drivers outside the Triumph community. Yes the Porsche guys are more dependable, but for every one of those there is some guy like you and me thrashing on our Corvair, Fiat, MaGgot, FV or some other labor of love. Keep up the love! Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri May 4 09:40:41 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 15:40:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <474326998.9767.1336146041187.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Go with the ceramic coating, there is no justification other than budget to not coat it. They all claim to improve the flow. My experience with Stahl is mixed for the TR4/IRS. I had to mo dify my frame ( not so for the live axle car ) The general weld and bend quality was good but fit up to the head was poor. Mine is coated inside & out and engine bay temps were reduced. just my .02 jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 6:38:17 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header "the use of a Stahl in a Spitfire also requires some pretty good changes to the frame and right-side suspension upright. Thanks for the info everyone. My bell housing has a large notch in it and the frame rail looks like the flange was beat into submission sometime in the distant past. I'll bet there was a Stahl header installed by a PO. If not, I have a good start on the mods to put one on now. Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. Less pressure == better flow? thanks mike h G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri May 4 10:00:41 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 12:00:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I feel your pain brother.... Of course it sounds like Henry is halfway through his rebuild and I haven't even taken my car off the trailer yet :) Marty > Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:48:05 -0700 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] blog? > > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri May 4 11:40:39 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 12:40:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header In-Reply-To: <474326998.9767.1336146041187.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <474326998.9767.1336146041187.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <9B4188CE-49F3-4DA8-9684-9C269F1AAC4B@austin.rr.com> I have a couple of equal tube length Hooker headers that seem to work really well on my car but stick out the bottom too far. I've bounced them off the floor and cracked them a few times. I switched what may be a Monza because I had it floating around the garage. I noticed the power loss. Thankfully Road Atlanta allowed a lot more momentum carrying than TX World. I should probably source a new TR4A header rather than scrounge up used stuff. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2012, at 10:40 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Go with the ceramic coating, there is no justification other than budget to not coat it. > > They all claim to improve the flow. My experience with Stahl is mixed for the TR4/IRS. > > I had to mo dify my frame ( not so for the live axle car ) The general weld and bend quality > > was good but fit up to the head was poor. Mine is coated inside & out and engine bay > > temps were reduced. > > just my .02 > > jim g > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "George Harmuth" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 6:38:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header > > "the use of a Stahl in a Spitfire also requires some pretty > good changes to the frame and right-side suspension upright. > > Thanks for the info everyone. My bell housing has a large notch in it and > the frame rail looks like the flange was beat into submission sometime in > the distant past. I'll bet there was a Stahl header installed by a PO. If > not, I have a good start on the mods to put one on now. > Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let > the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. > Less pressure == better flow? > > thanks > mike h > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Fri May 4 11:44:33 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 12:44:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What kind of pistons were you running? I have 4 ( out of 6) .040 over good AE pistons left over from a similar incident. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri May 4 11:47:52 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 17:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header In-Reply-To: <9B4188CE-49F3-4DA8-9684-9C269F1AAC4B@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <1578014552.15299.1336153672106.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> We ( TR4 drivers ) really need a good header fabricator. My dealings with Stahl have been less than satisfactory. They don't normally build TR4 headers so you kind of have to catch them at the right moment to get it done. I'm quite certain the next set I need I'll build myself. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: "George Harmuth" , fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 11:40:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header I have a couple of equal tube length Hooker headers that seem to work really well on my car but stick out the bottom too far. I've bounced them off the floor and cracked them a few times. I switched what may be a Monza because I had it floating around the garage. I noticed the power loss. Thankfully Road Atlanta allowed a lot more momentum carrying than TX World. I should probably source a new TR4A header rather than scrounge up used stuff. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2012, at 10:40 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Go with the ceramic coating, there is no justification other than budget to not coat it. > > They all claim to improve the flow. My experience with Stahl is mixed for the TR4/IRS. > > I had to mo dify my frame ( not so for the live axle car ) The general weld and bend quality > > was good but fit up to the head was poor. Mine is coated inside & out and engine bay > > temps were reduced. > > just my .02 > > jim g > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "George Harmuth" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 6:38:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header > > "the use of a Stahl in a Spitfire also requires some pretty > good changes to the frame and right-side suspension upright. > > Thanks for the info everyone. My bell housing has a large notch in it and > the frame rail looks like the flange was beat into submission sometime in > the distant past. I'll bet there was a Stahl header installed by a PO. If > not, I have a good start on the mods to put one on now. > Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let > the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. > Less pressure == better flow? > > thanks > mike h > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri May 4 11:57:59 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 13:57:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> What the heck you guys waiting for? My autopsy is complete, and a couple of key bits are getting crack checked as we speak. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: ; "FOT" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >I feel your pain brother.... Of course it sounds like Henry is halfway > through his rebuild and I haven't even taken my car off the trailer yet > :) > > Marty > > > >> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:48:05 -0700 >> From: igofaster at att.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] blog? >> >> okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? >> >> I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... >> >> Bobby >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri May 4 13:00:50 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 15:00:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 rotors? Message-ID: Does anyone in the Western Michigan area have a spare GT6 rotor they'd like to part with? Looks like I might have a slightly warped rotor. We're at Gingerman running the VSCDA weekend. Scott Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com From jason at multivintage.com Fri May 4 13:22:43 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 14:22:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bobby, Disappointment is just sometimes part of the game. Your car is really nicely done and you should really be proud of that car. However, I'm with Scott...Time to deal with someone who knows exactly how to build a GT6 motor. Perhaps some steps backwards will help establish a more solid baseline. I would approach it by putting a motor together with stuff that works and has been time tested. Only someone with actual GT6 or at least Triumph experience can truly provide this As an example, the Mikuni carbs are neat and may even work fine, but I'd start with stock carbs (which we know work fine) run a few races and THEN try the Mikuni set. Then you'll know If those carbs offer something better than stock. I had an interesting discussion with Kas about this concept. He noticed that almost without exception, cars that were purchased from him ran fine when sold... making 60 hp beyond stock. The cars would run fine for a race or two. Then in the off season the new owner would "re engineer" the car, switching to trick weber carbs etc. Usually, this resulted in decreased performance and owner frustration and even total failure. The most important thing that goes along with this is writing everything down. If you have a solid working baseline that is documented once working, only then can new changes be measured and accurately tested. Keep it simple and everything that can be measured should be written down. It makes getting back to that baseline pretty easy. Baby steps. Slow and steady wins the race. P.S. What's the spot price today on GT6 scrap? FGR is always buying. Hang in there bud, it really could be much worse. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ___________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From BillDentin at aol.com Fri May 4 13:42:13 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 15:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... Message-ID: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> Amici... Shirley and I stayed over night in Buford, GA on Sunday, and left for points north on Monday morning. Just below Knoxville, TN, in the Appellation foothills, we had a violent blowout on one of the trailer tires. There was a hole I could put my fist through. Thank God it was on driver's right, and not the traffic side, as there was little or no shoulder to make repairs. The biggest issue was getting the trailer high enough to get the wheel off and a spare on. The loaded trailer is at least 6,000 pounds, and my jack, while rated for 4,000 pounds, does not operate (roll) all that well in the gravel/grass.. I sure did not want to have to unload the race car out there on the highway in order to raise the trailer. So I used a jack stand to maintain lift, while taking four or five separate bites and lifts with my jack. It was a big deal, but I finally got it up high enough, and after that it was a piece of cake. We bought two new trailer tires in Knoxville, and were on our way. Back home now, I think I'll buy two more tires for the other side. I usually cover my trailer tires when it is standing for any length of time. These tires looked great, had plenty of tread, but were manufactured in 2002 and 2004. Obviously age is an issue. No one has to tell me that. That same evening we stopped overnight in Frankfort, KY, just in time for a two hour tornado scare (sirens the whole time). The sky looked very bad. We did see trailing funnel clouds, but as far as I know none of them touched ground. Shades of TRIUMPH at Hallet a few years back. Racing is sure exciting. Bill Dentinger From jason at multivintage.com Fri May 4 14:05:46 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:05:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: Yellow 04... Always at the front of the pack! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 13:57:59 To: marty sukey; ; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? What the heck you guys waiting for? My autopsy is complete, and a couple of key bits are getting crack checked as we speak. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: ; "FOT" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >I feel your pain brother.... Of course it sounds like Henry is halfway > through his rebuild and I haven't even taken my car off the trailer yet > :) > > Marty > > > >> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:48:05 -0700 >> From: igofaster at att.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] blog? >> >> okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? >> >> I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... >> >> Bobby >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri May 4 15:01:05 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 16:01:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, Several sources claim that keeping heat in the headers causes the gases to exit the system faster due to decreased density. I haven't pursued the science behind this. One header wrap vendor says hotter exhaust gases are like hotter liquids that lose their viscosity as they heat up, creating less resistance to flow. I'm not sure I buy that explanation. We would probably all accept the claim that the velocity of gas flow is important on the intake side of an engine, although we would also agree that higher density (cooler=denser) of the incoming charge is good too. Whatever the true cause, Cool Concepts Performance Coatings goes so far as to cite dyno tests (but I didn't spot any graphs or explanation of test conditions there). From their website: "Dyno tests have revealed power gains of 8-10 hp in a 550 hp engine. This is mainly due to the heat barriers trapping heat inside the header pipes and increasing exhaust velocity. It was also acknowledged that more gains could be had when installed in an engine bay, where hot air robs power." Presumably the latter refers to the heat from the headers causing the intake air to be hotter and therefore less dense. I'm using coated headers on both my race car and a street car. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 red #6 On May 4, 2012, at 7:38 AM, George Harmuth wrote: > > Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let > the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. > Less pressure == better flow? From jason at multivintage.com Fri May 4 15:39:29 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 16:39:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 rotors? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FGR here! I've got em if you need them... I'll meet you off 294 someplace if you don't get any better offers. Jason Call me if you want them (312) 208 5227 On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: > Does anyone in the Western Michigan area have a spare GT6 rotor they'd like > to part with? Looks like I might have a slightly warped rotor. We're at > Gingerman running the VSCDA weekend. > > Scott > > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > www.mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri May 4 16:41:28 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 18:41:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Autopsy is complete Message-ID: Many people offered condolences at the Mitty for my broken motor, and asked what happened. A 10 year old Carillo rod broke at the small end. No discoloration at all, it did not get hot. Sitting on top of the windage tray was the remains of the small end of the rod, broken at the oil hole on each side. As opposed to being a round hole you insert the piston pin in, it is now almost flat. The surface the bushing presses into on the small end, and the #2 piston pin and appear to be perfect, indicating the small end bush did not fail. The Moldex passed the crack check, so life goes on. :-) Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri May 4 16:56:20 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 18:56:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... References: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> Message-ID: <4AFCED2F6CDC4711BA319CA7D3C12DCF@owner8914bbf7f> Bill, I carry (but haven't used yet!) a thing called a trailer buddy, I think. Just a small ramp. In case of a flat, put the ramp in front of the good tire and pull the trailer onto it. The flat tire just dangles there and can easily be changed. Be sure to loosen the lug nuts first. You can make one yourself using some 2 X 8s, but they are heavy. Also useful when greasing wheel bearings. Note to any PRDA members: This will NOT work on single axle trailer! (A little humor) Bill---- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 3:42 PM Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... > Amici... > > Shirley and I stayed over night in Buford, GA on Sunday, and left for > points north on Monday morning. Just below Knoxville, TN, in the > Appellation > foothills, we had a violent blowout on one of the trailer tires. There > was a > hole I could put my fist through. Thank God it was on driver's right, and > not the traffic side, as there was little or no shoulder to make repairs. > > The biggest issue was getting the trailer high enough to get the wheel off > and a spare on. The loaded trailer is at least 6,000 pounds, and my jack, > while rated for 4,000 pounds, does not operate (roll) all that well in the > gravel/grass.. I sure did not want to have to unload the race car out > there > on the highway in order to raise the trailer. So I used a jack stand to > maintain lift, while taking four or five separate bites and lifts with my > jack. > It was a big deal, but I finally got it up high enough, and after that it > was a piece of cake. We bought two new trailer tires in Knoxville, and > were > on our way. Back home now, I think I'll buy two more tires for the other > side. I usually cover my trailer tires when it is standing for any length > of > time. These tires looked great, had plenty of tread, but were > manufactured > in 2002 and 2004. Obviously age is an issue. No one has to tell me that. > > > That same evening we stopped overnight in Frankfort, KY, just in time for > a > two hour tornado scare (sirens the whole time). The sky looked very bad. > We did see trailing funnel clouds, but as far as I know none of them > touched > ground. Shades of TRIUMPH at Hallet a few years back. > > Racing is sure exciting. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From billdentin at aol.com Fri May 4 17:12:01 2012 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 19:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... In-Reply-To: <4AFCED2F6CDC4711BA319CA7D3C12DCF@owner8914bbf7f> References: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> <4AFCED2F6CDC4711BA319CA7D3C12DCF@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: <8CEF862724EBF6E-86C-F986@webmail-d141.sysops.aol.com> Bill, I carry (but haven't used yet!) a thing called a trailer buddy, I hink. Just a small ramp. In case of a flat, put the ramp in front of the od tire and pull the trailer onto it. The flat tire just dangles there and easily be changed. e sure to loosen the lug nuts first. Bill... What a super idea. I will add that to my 'stuff'. Thanks. Bill From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri May 4 18:16:19 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 19:16:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... In-Reply-To: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> References: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> Message-ID: Bill, Sorry to hear about your tire troubles. I had a similar incident with my trailer last Nov. Great tread but 2005 build date. Blew one at 65 mph with two TR 4's on board. I pulled the trailer up onto a stack of 2x8's I packed. That saved the day. I was close to a truck tire store and I had it fixed quickly but within 10 miles smother tire had the treads separate. I got lucky because I was stopping for lunch and checked the tires. They sell special plastic thingies to do the same thing. I'll buy one as soon as I get over the price of four new trailer tires. .....,,,and I got an envelope from you today..... very classy on your part, thank you. Glad the two of you made it home safe. Bob Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2012, at 2:42 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Shirley and I stayed over night in Buford, GA on Sunday, and left for > points north on Monday morning. Just below Knoxville, TN, in the Appellation > foothills, we had a violent blowout on one of the trailer tires. There was a > hole I could put my fist through. Thank God it was on driver's right, and > not the traffic side, as there was little or no shoulder to make repairs. > > The biggest issue was getting the trailer high enough to get the wheel off > and a spare on. The loaded trailer is at least 6,000 pounds, and my jack, > while rated for 4,000 pounds, does not operate (roll) all that well in the > gravel/grass.. I sure did not want to have to unload the race car out there > on the highway in order to raise the trailer. So I used a jack stand to > maintain lift, while taking four or five separate bites and lifts with my jack. > It was a big deal, but I finally got it up high enough, and after that it > was a piece of cake. We bought two new trailer tires in Knoxville, and were > on our way. Back home now, I think I'll buy two more tires for the other > side. I usually cover my trailer tires when it is standing for any length of > time. These tires looked great, had plenty of tread, but were manufactured > in 2002 and 2004. Obviously age is an issue. No one has to tell me that. > > > That same evening we stopped overnight in Frankfort, KY, just in time for a > two hour tornado scare (sirens the whole time). The sky looked very bad. > We did see trailing funnel clouds, but as far as I know none of them touched > ground. Shades of TRIUMPH at Hallet a few years back. From jason at multivintage.com Fri May 4 18:48:01 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 00:48:01 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The Autopsy is complete Message-ID: Yes, A classic case of "to fast of a driver". ------Original Message------ From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The Autopsy is complete Sent: May 4, 2012 5:41 PM Many people offered condolences at the Mitty for my broken motor, and asked what happened. A 10 year old Carillo rod broke at the small end. No discoloration at all, it did not get hot. Sitting on top of the windage tray was the remains of the small end of the rod, broken at the oil hole on each side. As opposed to being a round hole you insert the piston pin in, it is now almost flat. The surface the bushing presses into on the small end, and the #2 piston pin and appear to be perfect, indicating the small end bush did not fail. The Moldex passed the crack check, so life goes on. :-) Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri May 4 18:54:01 2012 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 00:54:01 GMT Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... Message-ID: <20120504.205401.5969.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Bill what brand of tire blew out? I had a Goodyear Marathon blow out about 10 years ago. Bought a set of them a couple years later, since I did not trust the remaining ones. Last year I decided that they were old enough and it was time to replace them, even though they still looked good. The Goodyears are all now made in China and I found very few trailer tires made in the US. The reviews on the US tires were not very good and they seemed as bad as the china bombs. I bought a set of Maxxis tires, which are made in Taiwan. Not sure if they will be better than the tires from China, but the reviews were good. Seems like one of the keys is to buy tires that are well over the capacity than what what is needed. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 15:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Amici... Shirley and I stayed over night in Buford, GA on Sunday, and left for points north on Monday morning. Just below Knoxville, TN, in the Appellation foothills, we had a violent blowout on one of the trailer tires. There was a hole I could put my fist through. Thank God it was on driver's right, and not the traffic side, as there was little or no shoulder to make repairs. The biggest issue was getting the trailer high enough to get the wheel off and a spare on. The loaded trailer is at least 6,000 pounds, and my jack, while rated for 4,000 pounds, does not operate (roll) all that well in the gravel/grass.. I sure did not want to have to unload the race car out there on the highway in order to raise the trailer. So I used a jack stand to maintain lift, while taking four or five separate bites and lifts with my jack. It was a big deal, but I finally got it up high enough, and after that it was a piece of cake. We bought two new trailer tires in Knoxville, and were on our way. Back home now, I think I'll buy two more tires for the other side. I usually cover my trailer tires when it is standing for any length of time. These tires looked great, had plenty of tread, but were manufactured in 2002 and 2004. Obviously age is an issue. No one has to tell me that. That same evening we stopped overnight in Frankfort, KY, just in time for a two hour tornado scare (sirens the whole time). The sky looked very bad. We did see trailing funnel clouds, but as far as I know none of them touched ground. Shades of TRIUMPH at Hallet a few years back. Racing is sure exciting. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 From igofaster at att.net Fri May 4 18:57:10 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 17:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1336179430.55439.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> yes... I need rehab and TheRaPy... Bobby ________________________________ From: john hasty To: Bob Kramer ; Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Fri, May 4, 2012 10:11:37 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] blog? Yea Bobby, that's called group FoT TheRaPy...... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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Yes the Porsche guys are more dependable, but for every one of those there is some guy like you and me thrashing on our Corvair, Fiat, MaGgot, FV or some other labor of love. Keep up the love! Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From bownes at seiri.com Fri May 4 19:14:42 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 21:14:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... In-Reply-To: <8CEF862724EBF6E-86C-F986@webmail-d141.sysops.aol.com> References: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> <4AFCED2F6CDC4711BA319CA7D3C12DCF@owner8914bbf7f> <8CEF862724EBF6E-86C-F986@webmail-d141.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9903D9EA-85E1-4CD6-98A9-C4FECC6E4080@seiri.com> I've always used a curb. :) On May 4, 2012, at 19:12, billdentin at aol.com wrote: > Bill, I carry (but haven't used yet!) a thing called a trailer buddy, I > hink. Just a small ramp. In case of a flat, put the ramp in front of the > od tire and pull the trailer onto it. The flat tire just dangles there and > easily be changed. > e sure to loosen the lug nuts first. > Bill... > What a super idea. I will add that to my 'stuff'. > Thanks. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From sjanzen at me.com Fri May 4 20:44:37 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 22:44:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? - Correction on Racing Shop References: Message-ID: Somebody pointed out to me that I had the wrong shop referenced below as offering GT6 expertise. I meant to say Vintage Racing Services, which has some former Group 44 guys and recently built Studdard's Group 44 GT6 motor. On May 4, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: Yep, it's taken me years to sort out (and not done yet) my GT6. Mostly that's cuz I do it myself and learn by trial and error. I'm also undoing 40 years of accumulated "fixes" by past owners, decayed parts, etc. if I didn't like this aspect and/or had cubic dollars, there are one or two GT6 experts out there who could figure it out - New England Classic Car Co comes to mind. You really just have to decide what you enjoy or don't enjoy. If the history and ambiance of vintage don't outweigh the heartache and aggravation, there's always the German and Japanese crowd, or D sports racers. From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri May 4 21:27:08 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from indexing plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat May 5 02:45:21 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:45:21 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What does indexing mean? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: sherry robyn Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 To: Friends Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from indexing plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sat May 5 04:53:00 2012 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don TR) Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 06:53:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs References: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120505100625.1C1122D0B60@autox.team.net> Message-ID: This link can explan what it is. http://dodgeram.org/tech/gas/spark_plugs/s_plug%20_indexing.htm ------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "sherry robyn" ; ; "Friends" Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs > What does indexing mean? > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: sherry robyn > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 > To: Friends > Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from > indexing > plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat May 5 04:56:10 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 12:56:10 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: References: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120505100625.1C1122D0B60@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000901cd2aad$b13d3620$13b7a260$@com> Ah, I see, thank you. Not for my engine - I have 4 electrodes per plug. :-) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Don TR [mailto:58tr3a at videotron.ca] Gesendet: Samstag, 5. Mai 2012 12:53 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sherry robyn; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; Friends Betreff: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs This link can explan what it is. http://dodgeram.org/tech/gas/spark_plugs/s_plug%20_indexing.htm ------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "sherry robyn" ; ; "Friends" Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs > What does indexing mean? > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: sherry robyn > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 > To: Friends > Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from > indexing > plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sat May 5 06:09:56 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 08:09:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] spit throttle bale bracket Message-ID: <4FA51894.7050806@cfl.rr.com> Does anyone have a throttle cable (at the carbs) bracket assembly from a 1500 spit they would like to sell? thxx, Bob From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat May 5 06:17:40 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:17:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: <20120505100627.D90612D0B82@autox.team.net> References: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120505100627.D90612D0B82@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Making the open end of the electrods all point to the intake valves Sent from my iPhone On May 5, 2012, at 4:45 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > What does indexing mean? > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: sherry robyn > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 > To: Friends > Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from indexing > plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat May 5 08:25:28 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 09:25:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header In-Reply-To: <1578014552.15299.1336153672106.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <70B467EE01574187889CF0945A328986@kramerde634093> Maybe I should look into modifying the Hookers. They sit about that much below the frame and the current set tucks in nicely. I'd have to dyno test them to be sure, but with equal length and big tubes they may be as good as anything out there. My seat tells me they are worth some HP. -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:48 PM To: Bob Kramer Cc: George Harmuth; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header We ( TR4 drivers ) really need a good header fabricator. My dealings with Stahl have been less than satisfactory. They don't normally build TR4 headers so you kind of have to catch them at the right moment to get it done. I'm quite certain the next set I need I'll build myself. jim g _____ From: "Bob Kramer" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: "George Harmuth" , fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 11:40:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header I have a couple of equal tube length Hooker headers that seem to work really well on my car but stick out the bottom too far. I've bounced them off the floor and cracked them a few times. I switched what may be a Monza because I had it floating around the garage. I noticed the power loss. Thankfully Road Atlanta allowed a lot more momentum carrying than TX World. I should probably source a new TR4A header rather than scrounge up used stuff. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2012, at 10:40 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Go with the ceramic coating, there is no justification other than budget to not coat it. > > They all claim to improve the flow. My experience with Stahl is mixed for the TR4/IRS. > > I had to mo dify my frame ( not so for the live axle car ) The general weld and bend quality > > was good but fit up to the head was poor. Mine is coated inside & out and engine bay > > temps were reduced. > > just my .02 > > jim g > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "George Harmuth" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 6:38:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header > > "the use of a Stahl in a Spitfire also requires some pretty > good changes to the frame and right-side suspension upright. > > Thanks for the info everyone. My bell housing has a large notch in it and > the frame rail looks like the flange was beat into submission sometime in > the distant past. I'll bet there was a Stahl header installed by a PO. If > not, I have a good start on the mods to put one on now. > Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let > the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. > Less pressure == better flow? > > thanks > mike h > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sat May 5 13:02:56 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 15:02:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: Hello, I'd like to nominate for membership in our non-organization Scott Starkweather and Fred Knight. They are building a Spitfire for road racing and will need our help. Email addresses are: sstarkweather at vbisd.org and fknight at vbisd.org Thanks! Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat May 5 13:53:16 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 14:53:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Second! Tony At 02:02 PM 5/5/2012, Barr, Scott wrote: >Hello, > >I'd like to nominate for membership in our non-organization Scott >Starkweather and Fred Knight. They are building a Spitfire for road racing >and will need our help. > >Email addresses are: sstarkweather at vbisd.org and fknight at vbisd.org > >Thanks! > > >Scott Barr >McCarty Law LLP >(920) 257-2233 >www.mccarty-law.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat May 5 14:19:31 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 16:19:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Second, love to have more Spitfires to share my uh experiences with. Don't know that I'll be much help :) Welcome guys! Marty > From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com > To: fot at autox.team.net; nomination at autox.team.net; sstarkweather at vbisd.org > Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 15:02:56 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > Hello, > > I'd like to nominate for membership in our non-organization Scott > Starkweather and Fred Knight. They are building a Spitfire for road racing > and will need our help. > > Email addresses are: sstarkweather at vbisd.org and fknight at vbisd.org > > Thanks! > > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > www.mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sat May 5 15:00:32 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 17:00:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5e20b449-deae-4853-af32-4d4469bf9a26@blur> They were not dissuaded by the sight of me rolling around under No49Blue pulling the pan to find a bunch of brass/bronze shavings in there (seriously - where the heck would that come from?). This proves they have no sense and will fit in nicely. Scott Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com -----Original message----- From: marty sukey To: "Barr, Scott" , FOT , nomination at autox.team.net, sstarkweather at vbisd.org Sent: Sat, May 5, 2012 20:19:31 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination From Catpusher at aol.com Sat May 5 16:28:38 2012 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 18:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Subject: Indexing plugs Message-ID: <1fa1f.9c8ef69.3cd70396@aol.com> We could not measure any change, and we run popups and a high CR; we went to MSD and then Electromotive and ran to 7200RPM with our TR3. TR Regards, Hardy In a message dated 5/5/2012 3:07:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: From: sherry robyn To: Friends Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from indexing plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? From sjanzen at me.com Sat May 5 17:44:31 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 19:44:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit Message-ID: <0228E310-8FE8-4F4B-8E91-15C884F146F4@me.com> looking at the registration, I see some of the big Triumphs in Group 1 and some in Group 3. Any logic? I picked Group 3 cuz I didn't want to run with all the Porsches. From mark at bradakis.com Sat May 5 18:28:04 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 18:28:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FA5C594.2040405@bradakis.com> Thanks for including their email addresses. A lot of people don't seem to realize that to add an email address to the list I need an email address ;-) They are on. mjb. From igofaster at att.net Sat May 5 19:08:37 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 18:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: marty sukey ; igofaster at att.net; FOT Sent: Fri, May 4, 2012 12:58:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? What the heck you guys waiting for? My autopsy is complete, and a couple of key bits are getting crack checked as we speak. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: ; "FOT" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >I feel your pain brother.... Of course it sounds like Henry is halfway > through his rebuild and I haven't even taken my car off the trailer yet > :) > > Marty > > > >> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:48:05 -0700 >> From: igofaster at att.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] blog? >> >> okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? >> >> I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... >> >> Bobby >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com From kaskas at cox.net Sat May 5 19:57:37 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 01:57:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: References: , <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <20120505100627.D90612D0B82@autox.team.net>, Message-ID: Indexing to me was making sure that the ground electrode was not in a position where the piston could not close the gap and kill the engine. More Power? You're kidding! TR-3,4 engines do not have that problem unless you run a pop-up. Never be beaten by equipment > From: jhhasty at gdhs.com > Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:17:40 -0400 > To: tr4racing at googlemail.com > CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > Making the open end of the electrods all point to the intake valves > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 5, 2012, at 4:45 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > > > What does indexing mean? > > > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sherry robyn > > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 > > To: Friends > > Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > > > Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from > indexing > > plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sun May 6 05:09:20 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 07:09:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> Bobby, You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. :-) BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength in numbers. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun May 6 07:09:51 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 09:09:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit References: <0228E310-8FE8-4F4B-8E91-15C884F146F4@me.com> Message-ID: <34C6936876A04A9CAFD250D4EE750188@owner8914bbf7f> Hi Scott, I saw that too, unfortunately. I'm going to try and get into Group 3 with you. I don't do well against 911's and 914-6's! The VRG guys are pretty good about putting someone in a different class. Last year I started out in a group that included Mike Zappa's GT40; that didn't last long. They put me in different group and I had a great time. I'm heading down on Wed. the 16th. See you there. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 7:44 PM Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit > looking at the registration, I see some of the big Triumphs in Group 1 and > some in Group 3. Any logic? I picked Group 3 cuz I didn't want to run > with all the Porsches. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From igofaster at att.net Sun May 6 08:10:43 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 07:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks Henry! Bobby ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Bobby, You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. :-) BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength in numbers. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- >From: Bobby Whitehead >To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com >Cc: FoT Triumph >Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > >dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of >a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby From igofaster at att.net Sun May 6 08:19:05 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 07:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com welcome aboard Chuck! BGW From mediehljr at yahoo.com Sun May 6 09:13:36 2012 From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 08:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: References: , <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <20120505100627.D90612D0B82@autox.team.net>, Message-ID: <1336317216.69025.YahooMailNeo@web39305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey, Kas, you are right on that. We never even gave a thought to power increase, unless you consider closed up plug gaps a power problem. Hope you are doing well. Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl ________________________________ From: Kas Kastner To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; MadMarx Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2012 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs Indexing to me was making sure that the ground electrode was not in a position where the piston could not close the gap and kill the engine. More Power? You're kidding! TR-3,4 engines do not have that problem unless you run a pop-up. Never be beaten by equipment > From: jhhasty at gdhs.com > Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:17:40 -0400 > To: tr4racing at googlemail.com > CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > Making the open end of the electrods all point to the intake valves > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 5, 2012, at 4:45 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > > > What does indexing mean? > > > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sherry robyn > > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 > > To: Friends > > Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > > > Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from > indexing > > plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mediehljr at yahoo.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun May 6 09:54:46 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 10:54:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> Henry's comment got me looking for "what, are you yellow?" quotes but I found these interesting tidbits instead. You ladies need to stick together and quitting is not an option! I wonder what my red car with blue stripes says about me? I've had my share of being vanquished....... Blue is the male principle, stern and spiritual. Yellow the female principle, gentle, cheerful and sensual. Red is matter, brutal and heavy and always the colour which must be fought and vanquished by the other two. Franz Marc Fear has nothing to do with cowardice. A fellow is only yellow when he lets his fear make him quit. Jerome Cady Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks > Henry! Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: FoT Triumph > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > > Bobby, > > You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... > > Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped > with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. > > :-) > > BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength > in numbers. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com >> Cc: FoT Triumph >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >> >> >> dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of >> a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun May 6 10:00:27 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 11:00:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit In-Reply-To: <34C6936876A04A9CAFD250D4EE750188@owner8914bbf7f> References: <0228E310-8FE8-4F4B-8E91-15C884F146F4@me.com> <34C6936876A04A9CAFD250D4EE750188@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: <3ABCB876-A9AC-4160-98AB-B1E8AA1071CC@austin.rr.com> Those of us in TX racing TR4's and GT6's with CVAR are always grouped with 911 and 914-6's. It us great fun to finish ahead of them but with the stretching of the rules that seems so prevalent in vintage racing these says the Porsches keep getting faster and faster. I often push my car harder than I want to. I have to admit the fun factor is dropping faster than a 911 at the end of the NASCAR straight at TWS. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 8:09 AM, "william r tobin" wrote: > Hi Scott, I saw that too, unfortunately. I'm going to try and get into Group 3 with you. I don't do well against 911's and 914-6's! > The VRG guys are pretty good about putting someone in a different class. Last year I started out in a group that included Mike Zappa's GT40; that didn't last long. They put me in different group and I had a great time. > I'm heading down on Wed. the 16th. See you there. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" > To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 7:44 PM > Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit > > >> looking at the registration, I see some of the big Triumphs in Group 1 and some in Group 3. Any logic? I picked Group 3 cuz I didn't want to run with all the Porsches. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun May 6 12:14:43 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 14:14:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jefferson 500 group Message-ID: <8BBCC74110DC406A9269C40DA309B544@owner8914bbf7f> Scott Janzen and Bob Kramer: here's the good news. Last year I was in the paddock next to Jim's Pinto (yes, Pinto...fast car) and his friend Kris with a 2002. Nice bunch of guys who like to enjoy themselves. Looking forward to a good weekend. I may go to BeaveRun this week for a shakedown cruise. It ran when I shut it off last fall; should run now! Actually, I'm going over the car even as we speak. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Karamanis To: william r tobin Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re: Jefferson 500 group Bill, Not a problem, 16 / Marlboro it is. Look forward to hanging out again! See ya soon. Jim ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: william r tobin To: jim at vrgonline.org Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 9:20 AM Subject: Jefferson 500 group Hi Jim, how's everything? Way busy up here, even with being retired. I checked the entry list for the 500 and saw I'm in group 1 with 911's and 914-6's. I get eaten alive by those guys. Any chance of getting into group 3, the Marlboro bunch? I may be able to keep up with some of them! Scott Janzen is #61 in a GT-6; I could use a strip of black duct tape and be #16. I think #6 is already taken. Thanks. See you in a couple weeks. Bill Tobin TR6 Not blazingly fast but having fun! From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sun May 6 13:47:38 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 12:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1336333658.36438.YahooMailNeo@web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hooray for the Yellow cars! Should we start our own secret unorganized FOT sub chapter? Mike ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Bobby, You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. :-) BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength in numbers. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From igofaster at att.net Sun May 6 14:02:16 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 13:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? Bobby THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Cc: Chuck Watson Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com welcome aboard Chuck! BGW _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sun May 6 14:02:20 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 13:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hey Bob, I may be gentle, cheerful and sensual but my car has been the fastest with the yellow paint on it! BTW, I saw Greg's video; nice drive! Mike ________________________________ From: Bob Kramer To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Henry's comment got me looking for "what, are you yellow?" quotes but I found these interesting tidbits instead. You ladies need to stick together and quitting is not an option! I wonder what my red car with blue stripes says about me? I've had my share of being vanquished....... Blue is the male principle, stern and spiritual. Yellow the female principle, gentle, cheerful and sensual. Red is matter, brutal and heavy and always the colour which must be fought and vanquished by the other two. Franz Marc Fear has nothing to do with cowardice. A fellow is only yellow when he lets his fear make him quit. Jerome Cady Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks > Henry! Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: FoT Triumph > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > > Bobby, > > You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... > > Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped > with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. > > :-) > > BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength > in numbers. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com >> Cc: FoT Triumph >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >> >> >> dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of >> a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sun May 6 15:04:19 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 17:04:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: I'll second that nomination. Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad Bobby Whitehead wrote: >can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? > >Bobby > >THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... > > > > >________________________________ >From: Bobby Whitehead >To: FoT Triumph >Cc: Chuck Watson >Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM >Subject: [Fot] Nomination > >I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta >when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go >vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need >the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead > >Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com > >welcome aboard Chuck! > >BGW >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun May 6 15:35:56 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 16:35:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <69218DF6-E63F-4C0B-A549-5407F12E022B@austin.rr.com> It does seem that yellow means fast for a Triumph. I'm going to build a Devin TR3. Dare I paint it yellow? That race with Greg was the first time for us. TR3's can run in an historic group at CVAR. I think Greg will make the jump into 911 country after the fun we had. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Mike Munson wrote: > Hey Bob, > > I may be gentle, cheerful and sensual but my car has been the fastest with the yellow paint on it! > BTW, I saw Greg's video; nice drive! > > Mike > > From: Bob Kramer > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: FoT Triumph > Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > Henry's comment got me looking for "what, are you yellow?" quotes but I found > these interesting tidbits instead. You ladies need to stick together and > quitting is not an option! > > I wonder what my red car with blue stripes says about me? I've had my share of > being vanquished....... > > > Blue is the male principle, stern and spiritual. Yellow the female principle, > gentle, cheerful and sensual. Red is matter, brutal and heavy and always the > colour which must be fought and vanquished by the other two. > Franz Marc > > Fear has nothing to do with cowardice. A fellow is only yellow when he lets > his fear make him quit. > Jerome Cady > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > > yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks > > Henry! Bobby > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" > > To: Bobby Whitehead > > Cc: FoT Triumph > > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > > > > > Bobby, > > > > You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... > > > > Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has > escaped > > with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. > > > > :-) > > > > BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is > strength > > in numbers. > > > > Henry > > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Bobby Whitehead > >> To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com > >> Cc: FoT Triumph > >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > >> > >> > >> dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then > all of > >> a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun May 6 15:38:41 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 16:38:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5A71ECFC-84D8-4C10-8147-28C81748B44B@austin.rr.com> I think we are all waiting for another GT6 guy to second. I once sat it a GT6, so I'll jump in here and second it. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? > > Bobby > > THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bobby Whitehead > To: FoT Triumph > Cc: Chuck Watson > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta > when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go > vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need > the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead > > Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com > > welcome aboard Chuck! > > BGW > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sun May 6 15:40:35 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 14:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1336340435.46794.YahooMailNeo@web46101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Second! Jeesh! Another 6 cylinder sicko. ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? Bobby THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Cc: Chuck Watson Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com welcome aboard Chuck! BGW _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun May 6 15:46:24 2012 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 16:46:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701cd2bd1$afe593b0$0fb0bb10$@rr.com> It was a part of my evil plan to be behind Bob with two laps to go then we hit lap traffic. Bob got by going into turn 3 and I did not. I got John coming up out of the esses but did not get the Blue TR4 until turn 8. Bob used that to his advantage and put too big a gap between us. All in all a blast of a race. I think we swapped for 11th 5 times. The link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trZP5H8IsUQ&feature=g-upl -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Munson Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 3:02 PM To: Bob Kramer; Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Hey Bob, I may be gentle, cheerful and sensual but my car has been the fastest with the yellow paint on it! BTW, I saw Greg's video; nice drive! Mike ________________________________ From: Bob Kramer To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Henry's comment got me looking for "what, are you yellow?" quotes but I found these interesting tidbits instead. You ladies need to stick together and quitting is not an option! I wonder what my red car with blue stripes says about me? I've had my share of being vanquished....... Blue is the male principle, stern and spiritual. Yellow the female principle, gentle, cheerful and sensual. Red is matter, brutal and heavy and always the colour which must be fought and vanquished by the other two. Franz Marc Fear has nothing to do with cowardice. A fellow is only yellow when he lets his fear make him quit. Jerome Cady Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks > Henry! Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: FoT Triumph > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > > Bobby, > > You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... > > Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped > with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. > > :-) > > BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength > in numbers. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com >> Cc: FoT Triumph >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >> >> >> dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of >> a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4978 - Release Date: 05/04/12 From rjohns at woh.rr.com Sun May 6 15:51:45 2012 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 17:51:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Indexing of spark plug electrodes Message-ID: Fot team list: For those of you that want to orient the placement of the electrodes, I have left over from my "Autolite racing spark plug engineering" days, an few solid 14 mm spark plug gaskets. I had the thicker ones made for just such a purpose, as electrode placement and /or proper end of thread body location. They are of two thickness'. I have the most of .137" and some of .067" thickness. They, of course, can be thinned to what ever thickness you need. The .067 were intended to be used as is, and are basically the normal spark plug gasket thickness. Free for the asking. I have no use for them any more. Bob Johns From jason at multivintage.com Sun May 6 16:47:12 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 22:47:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1336340435.46794.YahooMailNeo@web46101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336340435.46794.YahooMailNeo@web46101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yeah, I'll second too. I met the guy, nice fellow. I already told him he was nuts. He will need lots of help building a safe car from scratch. But he seemed pretty confident, and knowledgable. I love the idea. It should probably be yellow. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sun, 6 May 2012 14:40:35 To: Bobby Whitehead; FoT Triumph Reply-To: Mike Munson Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Second! Jeesh! Another 6 cylinder sicko. ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? Bobby THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Cc: Chuck Watson Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com welcome aboard Chuck! BGW _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sun May 6 17:49:48 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 19:49:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <69218DF6-E63F-4C0B-A549-5407F12E022B@austin.rr.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <69218DF6-E63F-4C0B-A549-5407F12E022B@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: Good Lord you guys, My , Larry's , 3 is not only yellow, it's 1972. Chrysler yellow & came from your part of the country... So it must be male, not female! Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > It does seem that yellow means fast for a Triumph. I'm going to build a Devin > TR3. Dare I paint it yellow? > > That race with Greg was the first time for us. TR3's can run in an historic > group at CVAR. I think Greg will make the jump into 911 country after the fun > we had. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Mike Munson wrote: > >> Hey Bob, >> >> I may be gentle, cheerful and sensual but my car has been the fastest with > the yellow paint on it! >> BTW, I saw Greg's video; nice drive! >> >> Mike >> >> From: Bob Kramer >> To: Bobby Whitehead >> Cc: FoT Triumph >> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:54 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >> >> Henry's comment got me looking for "what, are you yellow?" quotes but I > found >> these interesting tidbits instead. You ladies need to stick together and >> quitting is not an option! >> >> I wonder what my red car with blue stripes says about me? I've had my share > of >> being vanquished....... >> >> >> Blue is the male principle, stern and spiritual. Yellow the female > principle, >> gentle, cheerful and sensual. Red is matter, brutal and heavy and always > the >> colour which must be fought and vanquished by the other two. >> Franz Marc >> >> Fear has nothing to do with cowardice. A fellow is only yellow when he lets >> his fear make him quit. >> Jerome Cady >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 6, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >>> yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks >>> Henry! Bobby >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" >>> To: Bobby Whitehead >>> Cc: FoT Triumph >>> Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >>> >>> >>> Bobby, >>> >>> You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... >>> >>> Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has >> escaped >>> with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is >> strength >>> in numbers. >>> >>> Henry >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Bobby Whitehead >>>> To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com >>>> Cc: FoT Triumph >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >>>> >>>> >>>> dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and > then >> all of >>>> a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sun May 6 17:52:14 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 19:52:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <5A71ECFC-84D8-4C10-8147-28C81748B44B@austin.rr.com> References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5A71ECFC-84D8-4C10-8147-28C81748B44B@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <1E31F118-8138-45ED-814F-F5EB9C196364@gdhs.com> Shucks Kramer, you actually fit in a 6? Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > I think we are all waiting for another GT6 guy to second. I once sat it a GT6, > so I'll jump in here and second it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? >> >> Bobby >> >> THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> To: FoT Triumph >> Cc: Chuck Watson >> Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM >> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >> >> I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road > Atlanta >> when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go >> vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously > need >> the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby > Whitehead >> >> Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com >> >> welcome aboard Chuck! >> >> BGW >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun May 6 18:12:58 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 19:12:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1E31F118-8138-45ED-814F-F5EB9C196364@gdhs.com> References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5A71ECFC-84D8-4C10-8147-28C81748B44B@austin.rr.com> <1E31F118-8138-45ED-814F-F5EB9C196364@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <36CEA178-73A9-4040-9F58-412AEE9B947E@austin.rr.com> Not really. At the K-cup we held at Hallett a number if years ago, while I was building my current car, I had the opportunity to "borrow" a GT6 for the Triumph race. I squeezed in but couldn't get my leg from gas to brake pedal cleanly. Once I realized it was a no-go they nearly had to cut the roof off to get me out. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 6:52 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Shucks Kramer, you actually fit in a 6? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> I think we are all waiting for another GT6 guy to second. I once sat it a GT6, >> so I'll jump in here and second it. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >>> can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? >>> >>> Bobby >>> >>> THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Bobby Whitehead >>> To: FoT Triumph >>> Cc: Chuck Watson >>> Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM >>> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >>> >>> I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road >> Atlanta >>> when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go >>> vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously >> need >>> the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby >> Whitehead >>> >>> Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com >>> >>> welcome aboard Chuck! >>> >>> BGW >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From trdoctor at aol.com Sun May 6 20:20:29 2012 From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 21:20:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob and all, Carol and I bought a '72 GT6 a couple of years ago. I am as big (if not bigger than Bob, even though I have lost about 60lbs in the past 6 months) and they are snug! With a bum knee I can get in ok but need a crane to get out. I autocrossed it at the South Central Regional last weekend and it was a real trip! Bob is right about finding the brake pedal. I have to wear the narrowest shoes I have to drive it. The New Balance won't cut it. I love the car but really don't fit. Maybe 20 more pounds. . . Missed you and Barbara at the Regional. Glad you had fun at the Mitty. Sam On May 6, 2012, at 7:12 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > From: Bob Kramer > To: John Hasty > Cc: FoT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > Message-ID: <36CEA178-73A9-4040-9F58-412AEE9B947E at austin.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Not really. At the K-cup we held at Hallett a number if years ago, while I was > building my current car, I had the opportunity to "borrow" a GT6 for the > Triumph race. I squeezed in but couldn't get my leg from gas to brake pedal > cleanly. Once I realized it was a no-go they nearly had to cut the roof off to > get me out. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2012, at 6:52 PM, John Hasty wrote: > >> Shucks Kramer, you actually fit in a 6? From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 7 05:49:06 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 07:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin In-Reply-To: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I would like to add Warren Aplin to the list. His note below will serve to introduce him, and to illustrate how delightfully disorganized we are. wgaplin at bellsouth.net What say ye? Another TR4. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Warren Aplin To: n197tr4 Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 10:55 am Subject: FOT Joe, It was great meeting you at Road Atlanta. I have a green TR 4 #66 (we blew the engine on Thursday) that did not get out of the box for race weekend. I was on the old pit side with Predator Performance; they maintain my car at the track. Needless to say it was a long weekend for my daughter and me. She was going to race with group 2 and I was going to run the Triumph events. My car now #66 is on the FOT website as #75 from several years and owners ago. I have owned it about six years now. I am told it is a Rick Klein car from the 60bs or 70bs. I only have log books back to the early 90bs ( think that is when it was resurrected. As I explained, I have tried to join the FOT and sent emails but never heard back. I have gone on the site numerous times. It appeared you guys had a lot of fun. I kind of wished I was on the other side of the pits with all the other Triumphs. I would like to be part of the FOT. There were stickers on the car when I bought it, it has since been repainted. I need more stickers. We are rebuilding the engine; I have a spare, but have been waiting for steel crank for months, so now we have two to build. Glenn Effinger out of Stuart, FL is the wrench. He does a great job. We will try to be ready for HSR Savannah in October. My name was on the shirt, (spelled wrong, but still cool). George Wright was kind enough to make one available to me, as I was not part of (did not know anything about) the preorder. It was much appreciated. I did get a signed poster, that was cool too. Thanks again Warren Aplin 2795 se ranch acres circle Jupiter, Florida 33478 561-748-8187, cell 954-520-8681 wgaplin at bellsouth.net From igofaster at att.net Mon May 7 06:56:40 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 05:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] another GT6 nomination Message-ID: <1336395400.31375.YahooMailRC@web180806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hey girls and boys... I meet Jay DePol from Stevensville Maryland at the Mitty.. he too would like to take it up a notch and try his hand a preparing a GT6 to race... even though I had bits and pieces of ... something on display,,,, he was not discouraged... my kind of guy.... TherApY needed.... Jay DePol kkjjk at aol.com is this a good idea or should we go ahead and put a bomb in the engine bay to get Jay through the initiation process? Bobby Whitehead From igofaster at att.net Mon May 7 07:01:46 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 06:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin In-Reply-To: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1336395706.34049.YahooMailRC@web180806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> 2nd! love D production Triumphs to chase! Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: wgaplin at bellsouth.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 7, 2012 7:54:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin FOT, I would like to add Warren Aplin to the list. His note below will serve to introduce him, and to illustrate how delightfully disorganized we are. wgaplin at bellsouth.net What say ye? Another TR4. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Warren Aplin To: n197tr4 Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 10:55 am Subject: FOT Joe, It was great meeting you at Road Atlanta. I have a green TR 4 #66 (we blew the engine on Thursday) that did not get out of the box for race weekend. I was on the old pit side with Predator Performance; they maintain my car at the track. Needless to say it was a long weekend for my daughter and me. She was going to race with group 2 and I was going to run the Triumph events. My car now #66 is on the FOT website as #75 from several years and owners ago. I have owned it about six years now. I am told it is a Rick Klein car from the 60bs or 70bs. I only have log books back to the early 90bs ( think that is when it was resurrected. As I explained, I have tried to join the FOT and sent emails but never heard back. I have gone on the site numerous times. It appeared you guys had a lot of fun. I kind of wished I was on the other side of the pits with all the other Triumphs. I would like to be part of the FOT. There were stickers on the car when I bought it, it has since been repainted. I need more stickers. We are rebuilding the engine; I have a spare, but have been waiting for steel crank for months, so now we have two to build. Glenn Effinger out of Stuart, FL is the wrench. He does a great job. We will try to be ready for HSR Savannah in October. My name was on the shirt, (spelled wrong, but still cool). George Wright was kind enough to make one available to me, as I was not part of (did not know anything about) the preorder. It was much appreciated. I did get a signed poster, that was cool too. Thanks again Warren Aplin 2795 se ranch acres circle Jupiter, Florida 33478 561-748-8187, cell 954-520-8681 wgaplin at bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon May 7 07:02:13 2012 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 06:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin In-Reply-To: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1336395733.97189.YahooMailNeo@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> second!!! I dont know why Warren isnt already on the list .... sounds like a great addition ... Welcome!!! Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: wgaplin at bellsouth.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin FOT, I would like to add Warren Aplin to the list. His note below will serve to introduce him, and to illustrate how delightfully disorganized we are. wgaplin at bellsouth.net What say ye? Another TR4. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Warren Aplin To: n197tr4 Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 10:55 am Subject: FOT Joe, It was great meeting you at Road Atlanta. I have a green TR 4 #66 (we blew the engine on Thursday) that did not get out of the box for race weekend. I was on the old pit side with Predator Performance; they maintain my car at the track. Needless to say it was a long weekend for my daughter and me. She was going to race with group 2 and I was going to run the Triumph events. My car now #66 is on the FOT website as #75 from several years and owners ago. I have owned it about six years now. I am told it is a Rick Klein car from the 60bs or 70bs. I only have log books back to the early 90bs ( think that is when it was resurrected. As I explained, I have tried to join the FOT and sent emails but never heard back. I have gone on the site numerous times. It appeared you guys had a lot of fun. I kind of wished I was on the other side of the pits with all the other Triumphs. I would like to be part of the FOT. There were stickers on the car when I bought it, it has since been repainted. I need more stickers. We are rebuilding the engine; I have a spare, but have been waiting for steel crank for months, so now we have two to build. Glenn Effinger out of Stuart, FL is the wrench. He does a great job. We will try to be ready for HSR Savannah in October. My name was on the shirt, (spelled wrong, but still cool). George Wright was kind enough to make one available to me, as I was not part of (did not know anything about) the preorder. It was much appreciated. I did get a signed poster, that was cool too. Thanks again Warren Aplin 2795 se ranch acres circle Jupiter, Florida 33478 561-748-8187, cell 954-520-8681 wgaplin at bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tstrange at sbcglobal.net From fubog1 at aol.com Mon May 7 07:04:32 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin In-Reply-To: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CEFA6913C9E130-12A4-B55@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> Heck I thought Warren was already on the list, second for sure. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: wgaplin Cc: fot Sent: Mon, May 7, 2012 8:54 am Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin FOT, I would like to add Warren Aplin to the list. His note below will serve to introduce him, and to illustrate how delightfully disorganized we are. wgaplin at bellsouth.net What say ye? Another TR4. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Warren Aplin To: n197tr4 Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 10:55 am Subject: FOT Joe, It was great meeting you at Road Atlanta. I have a green TR 4 #66 (we blew the engine on Thursday) that did not get out of the box for race weekend. I was on the old pit side with Predator Performance; they maintain my car at the track. Needless to say it was a long weekend for my daughter and me. She was going to race with group 2 and I was going to run the Triumph events. My car now #66 is on the FOT website as #75 from several years and owners ago. I have owned it about six years now. I am told it is a Rick Klein car from the 60bs or 70bs. I only have log books back to the early 90bs ( think that is when it was resurrected. As I explained, I have tried to join the FOT and sent emails but never heard back. I have gone on the site numerous times. It appeared you guys had a lot of fun. I kind of wished I was on the other side of the pits with all the other Triumphs. I would like to be part of the FOT. There were stickers on the car when I bought it, it has since been repainted. I need more stickers. We are rebuilding the engine; I have a spare, but have been waiting for steel crank for months, so now we have two to build. Glenn Effinger out of Stuart, FL is the wrench. He does a great job. We will try to be ready for HSR Savannah in October. My name was on the shirt, (spelled wrong, but still cool). George Wright was kind enough to make one available to me, as I was not part of (did not know anything about) the preorder. It was much appreciated. I did get a signed poster, that was cool too. Thanks again Warren Aplin 2795 se ranch acres circle Jupiter, Florida 33478 561-748-8187, cell 954-520-8681 wgaplin at bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon May 7 07:19:33 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin In-Reply-To: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: SECOND. Welcome! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon May 7 07:24:36 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:24:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336333658.36438.YahooMailNeo@web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local><1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336333658.36438.YahooMailNeo@web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good thought.....any idea what the secret hand shake should be? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Munson Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 3:48 PM To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com; Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Hooray for the Yellow cars! Should we start our own secret unorganized FOT sub chapter? Mike ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Bobby, You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. :-) BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength in numbers. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon May 7 07:30:11 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:30:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin In-Reply-To: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net>, <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Second, anybody with a blown engine cant be all bad. Marty > To: wgaplin at bellsouth.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 07:49:06 -0400 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin > > FOT, > > I would like to add Warren Aplin to the list. His note below will serve to > introduce him, and to illustrate how delightfully disorganized we are. > wgaplin at bellsouth.net > > What say ye? Another TR4. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Warren Aplin > To: n197tr4 > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 10:55 am > Subject: FOT > > > > Joe, > It was great meeting you at Road Atlanta. I have a green TR 4 #66 (we blew > the engine on Thursday) that did not get out of the box for race weekend. I > was on the old pit side with Predator Performance; they maintain my car at the > track. Needless to say it was a long weekend for my daughter and me. She was > going to race with group 2 and I was going to run the Triumph events. My car > now #66 is on the FOT website as #75 from several years and owners ago. I > have owned it about six years now. I am told it is a Rick Klein car from the > 60bs or 70bs. I only have log books back to the early 90bs ( think > that is when it was resurrected. > > As I explained, I have tried to join the FOT and sent emails but never heard > back. I have gone on the site numerous times. It appeared you guys had a lot > of fun. I kind of wished I was on the other side of the pits with all the > other Triumphs. I would like to be part of the FOT. There were stickers on > the car when I bought it, it has since been repainted. I need more stickers. > > We are rebuilding the engine; I have a spare, but have been waiting for steel > crank for months, so now we have two to build. Glenn Effinger out of Stuart, > FL is the wrench. He does a great job. We will try to be ready for HSR > Savannah in October. > > My name was on the shirt, (spelled wrong, but still cool). George Wright was > kind enough to make one available to me, as I was not part of (did not know > anything about) the preorder. It was much appreciated. I did get a signed > poster, that was cool too. > > Thanks again > > Warren Aplin > 2795 se ranch acres circle > Jupiter, Florida 33478 > 561-748-8187, cell 954-520-8681 > wgaplin at bellsouth.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon May 7 07:35:51 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:35:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: <9B88022E-A573-4634-829F-F1843C27FF4C@bnj.com> References: , <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <20120505100627.D90612D0B82@autox.team.net>, <9B88022E-A573-4634-829F-F1843C27FF4C@bnj.com> Message-ID: <8F2F3D3CCE4F42BABBD6BD889C75D11A@gdhs.local> Yes, Bill....that's where my dealing with indexing came from, TZ250 Yamaha's....we found indexing them towards the rear transfer ports worked best. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:ponobill at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 11:20 PM To: Kas Kastner Cc: jhhasty at gdhs.com; MadMarx; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs Mostly a carryover from high perfornace two stroke motors where transfer port swirl could play havoc with a spark. Or at least people thought it did. One more thing to fiddle with. On May 5, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Indexing to me was making sure that the ground electrode was not in a > position where the piston could not close the gap and kill the engine. More Power? > You're kidding! TR-3,4 engines do not have that problem unless you run > a pop-up. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> From: jhhasty at gdhs.com >> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:17:40 -0400 >> To: tr4racing at googlemail.com >> CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs >> >> Making the open end of the electrods all point to the intake valves >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 5, 2012, at 4:45 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: >> >>> What does indexing mean? >>> >>> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sherry robyn >>> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 >>> To: Friends >>> Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs >>> >>> Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from >> indexing >>> plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon May 7 07:38:56 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:38:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Lotus Super 7 1500cc pre-cross flow Message-ID: <78900E5CD1F642A2AD3F843C6C32187E@gdhs.local> If there is anyone among us interested in going faster, this, in my humble opinion, is one of the fastest 7's on the east coast. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. _____ From: cea127 at aol.com [mailto:cea127 at aol.com] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 8:49 PM To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; peter at peterkrause.net Subject: Fwd: Lotus Super 7 1500cc pre-cross flow -----Original Message----- From: Robert Colaizzi To: Cone Caeser ; Heller Geoff ; leechapmanracing ; Cook Rick ; Nevoral Barb ; Alex Quattlebaum ; AMQJR ; Bok Jim ; MacEachern Brian ; Donato Jim ; Elliott Brian ; Ford Manley.L ; Foss Charlie ; Hayes Charlie ; Luken Bill ; Schardt Dave ; Woehrle Jack ; Schardt Jim Sent: Sat, May 5, 2012 2:54 pm Subject: Lotus Super 7 1500cc pre-cross flow I am floating the pics of the Lotus to test the market. It hasn't finished lower than 5th in all the time I've owned it and has finished up front about half the time. It has no time on it since complete pre season prep by Jim Steck, including tear down and inspect engine, transmission, drive shaft, with parts replacement as necessary. The car has been almost completely re skinned and the upholstery updated. Some track spares. Fully adjustable front suspension. New belts. New rotors (not installed yet). Three sets of alloy wheels with sticker rains. If a driver can't put this car up front, it won't be the car's fault. $41,000. Bob Bob Colaizzi ColaizziDesign LLC www.colaizzidesign.com rcolaizzi at colaizzidesign.com c+937.477.5530 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0030.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0029.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0020.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0022.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0024.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0026.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0027.JPG] From BillDentin at aol.com Mon May 7 07:41:20 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Subject: Indexing plugs Message-ID: <32bad.6dbe8da6.3cd92b00@aol.com> In a message dated 05/05/2012 6:17:11 PM Central Daylight Time, Catpusher at aol.com writes: > We could not measure any change, and we run popups and a high CR; we went > > to MSD and then Electromotive and ran to 7200RPM with our TR3. > Hi Hardy... 7200! WOW! Our mechanic, Kevin Potter, said that he used to index the plugs on our engines, but did not see any gains worth the effort. Kevin was big in Karting for a while, with his two daughters as drivers. He said that on the Briggs and Stratton Kart engines, there were significant gains to be made. Those engines were of a flathead design. It seemed the shrouding of the electrode was more important on that type of engine. He thinks, usually the main reason for indexing is with a domed, or popup piston, if they are not indexed properly, when the piston is at TDC, it will smash the plug because of clearance. Bill Dentinger From fasttrs at yahoo.com Mon May 7 08:15:14 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 07:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin Message-ID: <1336400114.71364.YahooMailMobile@web46102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Sounds good to me! Second. From wensley_tr at comcast.net Mon May 7 09:03:12 2012 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 11:03:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit In-Reply-To: <0228E310-8FE8-4F4B-8E91-15C884F146F4@me.com> References: <0228E310-8FE8-4F4B-8E91-15C884F146F4@me.com> Message-ID: <005001cd2c62$85e7cab0$91b76010$@net> Your there to race, not get run over by the big boys Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 7:45 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit looking at the registration, I see some of the big Triumphs in Group 1 and some in Group 3. Any logic? I picked Group 3 cuz I didn't want to run with all the Porsches. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From rodkent at cox.net Mon May 7 09:32:43 2012 From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 11:32:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: <8F2F3D3CCE4F42BABBD6BD889C75D11A@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <20120507113243.YZJ6H.770478.imail@eastrmwml213> Hi, I don't think there is much to be gained by indexing on our motors, however I have always felt it important to use copper washers to regulate the thread ingagement in the head. I think its important not to have any of the bottom threads of the plug appearing in the combustion chambers, those sharp edges can act like a glow plug, a good cause of pre ignition.thx ---- john hasty wrote: Yes, Bill....that's where my dealing with indexing came from, TZ250 Yamaha's....we found indexing them towards the rear transfer ports worked best. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:ponobill at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 11:20 PM To: Kas Kastner Cc: jhhasty at gdhs.com; MadMarx; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs Mostly a carryover from high perfornace two stroke motors where transfer port swirl could play havoc with a spark. Or at least people thought it did. One more thing to fiddle with. On May 5, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Indexing to me was making sure that the ground electrode was not in a > position where the piston could not close the gap and kill the engine. More Power? > You're kidding! TR-3,4 engines do not have that problem unless you run > a pop-up. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> From: jhhasty at gdhs.com >> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:17:40 -0400 >> To: tr4racing at googlemail.com >> CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs >> >> Making the open end of the electrods all point to the intake valves >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 5, 2012, at 4:45 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: >> >>> What does indexing mean? >>> >>> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sherry robyn >>> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 >>> To: Friends >>> Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs >>> >>> Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from >> indexing >>> plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rodkent at cox.net From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon May 7 11:51:27 2012 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 10:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Jeff Quick won Race #2 for Group 2 in SOVREN Spring Sprints Message-ID: <1336413087.57568.YahooMailNeo@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I figured I would send this out the to FOT. Jeff and his Dad Ray do such a great job representing FOT and Triumph in general, carring on the flag for two generations. Jeff led the charge yesterday at Pacific Raceways against a nice mix of cars from 356 Porsches to Alpha's. Parker Johnston was in our race running a midget. Other FOT folks included John James, Charly Mitchel, Steve Hare and Me. We had a nice weekend with no major mechanical or on track issues. Jeff is a modest guy who works hard to be fast with huge support from his family and his Dad Ray. Great Job Jeff. Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon May 7 12:08:02 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 14:08:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] sighting Message-ID: <5094B33A7B114CAE8DAF9437FB9A984B@owner8914bbf7f> Hi gang, I've got a bald eagle sitting in a tree a couple hundred yards from my barn. Most impressive. The bird was eating on a dead woodchuck that I shot a couple days ago, about 30 yards from the barn, saw me coming, and took off for the tree. Great sight. Bill From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon May 7 13:42:58 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 15:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Jeff Quick won Race #2 for Group 2 in SOVREN Spring Sprints In-Reply-To: <1336413087.57568.YahooMailNeo@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336413087.57568.YahooMailNeo@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In the "faceworld" parlance: LIKE!!! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bownes at seiri.com Mon May 7 14:34:44 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 16:34:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] sighting In-Reply-To: <5094B33A7B114CAE8DAF9437FB9A984B@owner8914bbf7f> References: <5094B33A7B114CAE8DAF9437FB9A984B@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: Pretty awesome sight. We have a nesting pair that hunt in the fields behind the house. Now if I could only get them to deliver car parts... On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:08 PM, william r tobin wrote: > Hi gang, I've got a bald eagle sitting in a tree a couple hundred yards > from > my barn. Most impressive. > The bird was eating on a dead woodchuck that I shot a couple days ago, > about > 30 yards from the barn, saw me coming, and took off for the tree. > Great sight. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 7 19:03:46 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 19:03:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] sighting In-Reply-To: <5094B33A7B114CAE8DAF9437FB9A984B@owner8914bbf7f> References: <5094B33A7B114CAE8DAF9437FB9A984B@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: <4FA870F2.8080401@bradakis.com> Neat. At the risk of upsetting folks with a non-racing story I saw an eagle once. Well, I've seen many eagles. The one that I remember was on the way to a climbing trip in the Tetons. I had driven most of the way from Salt Lake after a dead of night start. We got to Alpine, Wyoming just before dawn, I was tired, another guy took over driving. It might have been my old '67 Coronet wagon. Anyway, we start heading up Alpine Canyon along the Snake River. I was trying to get comfy in the back seat for a nap. Along the way I sat up to rearrange the sweaters and such I was using for a pillow and glanced out the window. It was a cool, foggy morning in the dim light of the breaking dawn. A *huge* Golden eagle swoops out of the mist, snags a fish from the river and disappears into the swirling gray. Beautiful! I'm still glad that I happened to look out the window at that very moment. mjb. From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon May 7 22:11:06 2012 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 21:11:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jeff Quick won Race #2 for Group 2 in SOVREN Spring Sprints In-Reply-To: <1336413087.57568.YahooMailNeo@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336413087.57568.YahooMailNeo@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I missed Bob Scollard in his Spitfire. 6 Triumphs. Sent from my Kindle Fire _____________________________________________ From: Mike Mehl Sent: Mon May 07 10:51:27 PDT 2012 To: Triumph Friends of Subject: Jeff Quick won Race #2 for Group 2 in SOVREN Spring Sprints I figured I would send this out the to FOT. Jeff and his Dad Ray do such a great job representing FOT and Triumph in general, carring on the flag for two generations. Jeff led the charge yesterday at Pacific Raceways against a nice mix of cars from 356 Porsches to Alpha's. Parker Johnston was in our race running a midget. Other FOT folks included John James, Charly Mitchel, Steve Hare and Me. We had a nice weekend with no major mechanical or on track issues. Jeff is a modest guy who works hard to be fast with huge support from his family and his Dad Ray. Great Job Jeff. Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Tue May 8 06:52:49 2012 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:52:49 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] TR-3 parts car Message-ID: <6285092.1336481569828.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> /local/mailman/lynxXXXX3hoSik: Permission denied From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue May 8 07:50:22 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 09:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Mitty Pix Message-ID: Hi, I put the first test set up there. I didn't take time to caption or anything, and I will do that with the ones I post from now on... In any case, these ones are from the THU test sessions. Mostly they consistn of Henry Frye, David Cizmas, Burt Levy (driving George Wright's car), Susan Kahler, Patrick Starr in the Morgan and Bill Hart in the Devin / Triumph. I'll ping the list when I post some more. The photos are posted "royalty free" to FOT members. I will ping the FOT list later with details on that, but I may ask folks who want to use the pix to donate to a charity race event that New England Region SCCA runs every year. More on that later too. In any case, I'm working on getting the shots up there. If you want the pix cropped or otherwise doctored, contact me off-list (use blang at mit.edu, please) as I can fix the ones where the subject is off-center and stuff like that. Oh, and if you notice focus problems, let me know. I was using a new camera body and I may have set the auto focus setting incorrectly so some of the pix are a bit fuzzy. Actually, some are downright unrecognizable - but I think I sorted most of them out already. I also have a pile of head shots which I may or may not post at photobucket... c ya, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue May 8 09:05:49 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 11:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Link to Pix Message-ID: Hi, oops - try: http://s1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh632/bob_lang/ rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue May 8 09:11:02 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 11:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Mitty Pix Message-ID: Hi, I put the first test set up there. I didn't take time to caption or anything, and I will do that with the ones I post from now on... http://s1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh632/bob_lang/ In any case, these ones are from the THU test sessions. Mostly they consistn of Henry Frye, David Cizmas, Burt Levy (driving George Wright's car), Susan Kahler, Patrick Starr in the Morgan and Bill Hart in the Devin / Triumph. I'll ping the list when I post some more. The photos are posted "royalty free" to FOT members. I will ping the FOT list later with details on that, but I may ask folks who want to use the pix to donate to a charity race event that New England Region SCCA runs every year. More on that later too. In any case, I'm working on getting the shots up there. If you want the pix cropped or otherwise doctored, contact me off-list (use blang at mit.edu, please) as I can fix the ones where the subject is off-center and stuff like that. Oh, and if you notice focus problems, let me know. I was using a new camera body and I may have set the auto focus setting incorrectly so some of the pix are a bit fuzzy. Actually, some are downright unrecognizable - but I think I sorted most of them out already. I also have a pile of head shots which I may or may not post at photobucket... c ya, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Tue May 8 10:43:32 2012 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:43:32 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] TR-3 parts car Message-ID: <16778062.1336495412499.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> /local/mailman/lynxXXXX3F2mg7: Permission denied From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue May 8 12:40:23 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers Message-ID: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened washers for racing purposes? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 8 14:31:56 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:31:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> Message-ID: British Frame & Engine has all that stuff, but we use Isky springs from some NASCAR type Ford motor. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 2:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened washers for racing purposes? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue May 8 15:12:37 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 17:12:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> Message-ID: Try Isky- but you will need to know what spring pressure your cam maker requires at both open and closed positions. For example, my GT6 cam requires a closed pressure of 62 lb and an open pressure with 1.55 rockers of 185 lb. My machinist also tells me that the initial values of new springs will drop off significantly after a few heat cycles. I'm assuming Isky and others will sell you springs that will "end up" at the range you want, rather than start out there, if in fact this machinist is correct. On May 8, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened washers for racing purposes? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue May 8 15:50:27 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:50:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> Message-ID: <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> The cam is a Kastner G3 and the rockers are stock TR4 with 1.55:1 ratio. The measured cam lift is 0.342 giving a measured valve lift of 0.480 with 0.016 tappet clearance. This gives an actual ratio of 1.45:1, valve lift + tappet clearance to cam lift. We use a "red line" of 6000 RPM. I checked Good Parts but he only lists TR6 parts, at least that I saw. Are the TR6 and TR4 valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seats interchangeable? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 From: hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com [mailto:hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:54 PM To: timmurph at fastbytes.com Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers i cannot help you with a parts without a lot of photos which I might not recognize anyway, BUT, that is way way to low a seat pressrue. I don' know your cam, but if it is high lifter from Larry or something like my old G-3 then you want about 125 pounds on the seat. Never be beaten by equipment > From: timmurph at fastbytes.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:23 -0500 > CC: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have > about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in > his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled > height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. > He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified > height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of > the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the > suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened > washers for racing purposes? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim and Ryan > > 1961 TR4 #317 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 8 16:46:23 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 18:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> Message-ID: <8CEFB83871B35F5-BC0-110EF@Webmail-m110.sysops.aol.com> Tim, Pretty sure our assemblies are from BFE. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: Tim Murphy Cc: ryan.murphy ; fot Sent: Tue, May 8, 2012 5:38 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers Try Isky- but you will need to know what spring pressure your cam maker requires at both open and closed positions. For example, my GT6 cam requires a closed pressure of 62 lb and an open pressure with 1.55 rockers of 185 lb. My machinist also tells me that the initial values of new springs will drop off significantly after a few heat cycles. I'm assuming Isky and others will sell you springs that will "end up" at the range you want, rather than start out there, if in fact this machinist is correct. On May 8, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened washers for racing purposes? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Tue May 8 18:50:24 2012 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 20:50:24 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR-3 parts car Message-ID: <26925839.1336524624873.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> /local/mailman/lynxXXXX8pU4co: Permission denied From tjwakeman at gmail.com Wed May 9 07:11:43 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 06:11:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Web site is back online Message-ID: <4FAA6D0F.10300@gmail.com> Just to let people know my Triumph web site is back up on the net. www.tr3a.info From requests, it appears that my TR2-4A cylinder head page is by far the most popular www.tr3a.info/FAQ_heads.htm Hopefully all the links are working. Please let me know if you find one that leads to the dreaded 404 page. My apologies for having the site down for so long. Moving it required most links to be relinked and being the first spring in a new house, landscaping a bare yard took priority over everything. But finally the site is back up and hopefully all the links go where they should and hopefully all the new plants will grow properly and I will not have to rent a jackhammer again to punch through hard pan before additional planting. Again, sorry for being offline for so long. TeriAnn www.tjwakeman.net www.tr3a.info www.expeditionlandrover.info www.aladdinlamps.info From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 9 08:07:32 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 10:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Mitty Pix Message-ID: Hi, I posted 199 more pictures last night: http://s1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh632/bob_lang/Mitty%202012%20Triumph%20Shots/#!cpZZ4QQtppZZ20 If you can't get there by that link, going to www.photobucket.com and searching on bob_lang should get you to my pictures. The folder with 200 pix is called "Mitty 2012 Triumph Shots" or something like that. If I get messages to the effect of "I can't get to the pix", I'll post a tinyurl to the list. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 9 10:20:37 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MItty Pix Message-ID: Hi, Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 Enjoy! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 9 10:54:57 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Mitty Pix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 9 May 2012, john hasty wrote: > Nice shots Robert, how does one go about printing an 8x10 of a shot? Excellent question! I really haven't fleshed that out, but if you see a picture or pictures that you like, I can either edit/crop and send you the full image electronically and you can have your local one-hour place do it, or I can get it processed and send it you for my cost (which I have not determined yet). But if you see something you like, click on the link "photo info" and make a note of the picture number, e.g. IMG_7174.jpg or whatever. That'll make it easier for me to fish it out of the thousands of pictures that I shot at the event. Seeing that there's only 40 or so FOTs that were racing, I'm thinking electronic distribution won't be too bad... physical picture distribution would be a different matter (read more complicated and $$$ involved). I'd rather not do physical distribution, please. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From vintage.racer at comcast.net Wed May 9 11:24:37 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 17:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Trackside Support/Maintenance Message-ID: <42350960.283263.1336584277821.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello: Anyone know of a race shop in the Northern Indiana area (specifically South Bend or close by) that could maintain and offer track side support for a TR4? Thanks. Gary From mnewman at embarqmail.com Wed May 9 14:00:59 2012 From: mnewman at embarqmail.com (William T newman) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Link to Pix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <426731843.2723065.1336593659848.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Great pictures Bob. Thank you! Bill Newman #44 GT6 ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 08 May 2012 11:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Fot] Link to Pix Hi, oops - try: http://s1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh632/bob_lang/ rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mnewman at embarqmail.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Wed May 9 17:21:06 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:21:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing, etc. Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D4A@TITAN.dwholdings.local> After breaking at Willow Springs we discovered my GT6 rocker shaft had been installed incorrectly by the engine builder. It was not properly retained by the setscrew, rotated, and reduced oil flow through the shaft. Consequently, the forward three rockers were starved for oil. The #1 rocker (forward-most) seized on the shaft, and broke. The #2 rocker scored the shaft, and the #3 did score a bit as well. A simple blunder that totally screwed me out of a good race weekend. The GT6 has been problematic, to say the least, but I still love it. We feel that when we get it back together, most of the teething problems will be resolved. When it's running, it's a real blast to drive. I just made a deal to buy a very well prepared Spitfire; ex Jerry Craft, Jerry Alford and possibly Buster Callahan. Renewed & rebuilt by Joe Siam. After driving a Sports Renault last weekend at the VARA British Extravaganza, I decided that another Triumph would be a better fit than the sports racer. I'll pick up the Spit tomorrow. Hoping to have a running Triumph race car available for all events we wish to run. Ed Dunn From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed May 9 18:52:21 2012 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 19:52:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mitty Pix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002201cd2e47$28a7be50$79f73af0$@rr.com> Nicely done. Thankyou. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:08 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty Pix Hi, I posted 199 more pictures last night: http://s1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh632/bob_lang/Mitty%202012%20Triumph%20 Shots/#!cpZZ4QQtppZZ20 If you can't get there by that link, going to www.photobucket.com and searching on bob_lang should get you to my pictures. The folder with 200 pix is called "Mitty 2012 Triumph Shots" or something like that. If I get messages to the effect of "I can't get to the pix", I'll post a tinyurl to the list. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4988 - Release Date: 05/09/12 From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed May 9 19:36:14 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 21:36:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] PittRace visit Message-ID: <47961A5C26A44FB88A6BE13E37922FA4@owner8914bbf7f> Hi All, I took the TR6 to BeaveRun, now PittRace, today for a shakedown run. Everything worked fine. It was a 4PM to 8PM session. There were only a few cars there, so we could basically drive to our heart's content. There were two new McLaren stret cars there; very impressive. A Corvette, a 911, a Miata, a BMW, and myself. Lots of track time. PittRace is under new management. Part of the paddock has been paved, new garages being built, and the entrance road has been paved. Finally! I'm doing the Jefferson 500 next week at Summit Point. Bill From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed May 9 19:51:18 2012 From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:51:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing, etc. References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D4A@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: Be sure to take a look at the cam, lifters and pushrods. If the rocker arms siezed on the shaft and then broke, the loads on the cam lifters and pushrods also went way up also. There may be more damage than there might at first appear to be. The valves and guides at the front of the engine may also have suffered. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Dunn" To: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 4:21 PM Subject: [Fot] Racing, etc. > After breaking at Willow Springs we discovered my GT6 rocker shaft had > been > installed incorrectly by the engine builder. It was not properly retained > by > the setscrew, rotated, and reduced oil flow through the shaft. > Consequently, > the forward three rockers were starved for oil. The #1 rocker > (forward-most) > seized on the shaft, and broke. The #2 rocker scored the shaft, and the > #3 > did score a bit as well. A simple blunder that totally screwed me out of > a > good race weekend. > > The GT6 has been problematic, to say the least, but I still love it. We > feel > that when we get it back together, most of the teething problems will be > resolved. When it's running, it's a real blast to drive. > > I just made a deal to buy a very well prepared Spitfire; ex Jerry Craft, > Jerry > Alford and possibly Buster Callahan. Renewed & rebuilt by Joe Siam. > After > driving a Sports Renault last weekend at the VARA British Extravaganza, I > decided that another Triumph would be a better fit than the sports racer. > I'll pick up the Spit tomorrow. Hoping to have a running Triumph race car > available for all events we wish to run. > > Ed Dunn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed May 9 19:57:29 2012 From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:57:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> Message-ID: A G-3 cam should have over 110 lbs pressure on the seat. With light valves and other gear, we use 105 on the seat with an F cam, which has more gentle action than a G-3. We use a rev limit of 6800 RPM. With the "F" cam and 105 on the seat, the valves will "float" at 7200 rpm. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Kas Kastner'" Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > The cam is a Kastner G3 and the rockers are stock TR4 with 1.55:1 ratio. > The measured cam lift is 0.342 giving a measured valve lift of 0.480 with > 0.016 tappet clearance. This gives an actual ratio of 1.45:1, valve lift > + > tappet clearance to cam lift. We use a "red line" of 6000 RPM. > > > > I checked Good Parts but he only lists TR6 parts, at least that I saw. > Are > the TR6 and TR4 valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seats > interchangeable? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim and Ryan > > 1961 TR4 #317 > > > > From: hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com > [mailto:hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:54 PM > To: timmurph at fastbytes.com > Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, > suppliers > > > > i cannot help you with a parts without a lot of photos which I might not > recognize anyway, BUT, that is way way to low a seat pressrue. I don' > know > your cam, but if it is high lifter from Larry or something like my old G-3 > then you want about 125 pounds on the seat. > > Never be beaten by equipment > > >> From: timmurph at fastbytes.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:23 -0500 >> CC: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov >> Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers >> >> The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only > have >> about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, >> in >> his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled >> height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the > head. >> He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified >> height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of >> the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the >> suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened >> washers for racing purposes? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Tim and Ryan >> >> 1961 TR4 #317 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From tony at tonydrews.com Wed May 9 21:36:46 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 22:36:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> Message-ID: <31d317dba5e192b1e194de149d79a77c.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com> Ken Gillanders at BFE (British Frame and Engine) has good springs, titanium retainers, ARP rocker studs, etc. etc. Tell him Tony says hi and to take good care of himself. Tony Drews > The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only > have > about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, > in > his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled > height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the > head. > He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified > height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of > the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the > suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened > washers for racing purposes? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim and Ryan > > 1961 TR4 #317 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu May 10 05:19:11 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 07:19:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Page 2 Message-ID: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> Hi again, at PittRace today I was talking to the general manager, John Blaine. When I mentioned my TR6, his eyes lit up. He has two Triumphs, a TR3 and Tr4, if I recall. Later, I had just unloaded when he stopped over to chat. Nice fellow. I'd like to nominate him for membership in our illustrious group. Another Triumph owner. How about that. Can I get a second? Thanks, Bill Tobin TR6 jr.blaine at pittrace.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu May 10 07:44:36 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 09:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Page 2 In-Reply-To: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> References: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: SECOND Now, you need to subliminally suggest that the track really needs to afford a perferential rate for track time to all Triumph drivers. ;-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 10 May 2012, william r tobin wrote: > Hi again, at PittRace today I was talking to the general manager, John Blaine. > When I mentioned my TR6, his eyes lit up. He has two Triumphs, a TR3 and Tr4, > if I recall. Later, I had just unloaded when he stopped over to chat. Nice > fellow. > I'd like to nominate him for membership in our illustrious group. Another > Triumph owner. How about that. > Can I get a second? > Thanks, Bill Tobin TR6 > jr.blaine at pittrace.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang at isis.mit.edu From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu May 10 09:10:54 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (trmarty at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 11:10:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Page 2 In-Reply-To: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> References: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: Second. Marty Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon Wirelessb" -----Original message----- From: william r tobin To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 11:19:11 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] Page 2 Hi again, at PittRace today I was talking to the general manager, John Blaine. When I mentioned my TR6, his eyes lit up. He has two Triumphs, a TR3 and Tr4, if I recall. Later, I had just unloaded when he stopped over to chat. Nice fellow. I'd like to nominate him for membership in our illustrious group. Another Triumph owner. How about that. Can I get a second? Thanks, Bill Tobin TR6 jr.blaine at pittrace.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 10 09:17:08 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 17:17:08 +0200 Subject: [Fot] The matter of size In-Reply-To: References: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: <003d01cd2ebf$fa4576a0$eed063e0$@com> http://htwins.net/scale2/scale2.swf?bordercolor=white From igofaster at att.net Thu May 10 10:18:04 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 09:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] MItty Pix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this morning... is that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix Hi, Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 Enjoy! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From igofaster at att.net Thu May 10 10:27:34 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 09:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Page 2 In-Reply-To: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> References: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: <1336667254.93174.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> 2nd if not already posted.. Bobby ________________________________ From: william r tobin To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 8:01:13 AM Subject: [Fot] Page 2 Hi again, at PittRace today I was talking to the general manager, John Blaine. When I mentioned my TR6, his eyes lit up. He has two Triumphs, a TR3 and Tr4, if I recall. Later, I had just unloaded when he stopped over to chat. Nice fellow. I'd like to nominate him for membership in our illustrious group. Another Triumph owner. How about that. Can I get a second? Thanks, Bill Tobin TR6 jr.blaine at pittrace.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu May 10 11:10:23 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MItty Pix In-Reply-To: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 May 2012, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this > morning... is that sympathy like an obituary ?? I'd say it's more like "that's a great looking car". >... love to have a copy > 8x10 to frame... I'll send you a hi-res image that you can put on a flash drive and get printed at your local 1-hour photo place. It would be best if you could choose which picture you like best - although with all those hits, I think we know which one to print. :-) > Bobby Whitehead regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sjanzen at me.com Thu May 10 12:12:23 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 14:12:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MItty Pix In-Reply-To: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <877CBD59-E2E4-4BE7-8D53-DDE0AF0DFDCF@me.com> Are we talking to the same guy who was almost ready to give up on this car after it broke? That's a pretty GT6, and I sure hope you stay committed to it! On May 10, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this morning... is that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix Hi, Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 Enjoy! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From jason at multivintage.com Thu May 10 12:16:39 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:16:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MItty Pix In-Reply-To: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Guess it recorded the 84 times you clicked on it last night. (and I peeked once) Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this > morning... is > that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Robert M. Lang > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix > > Hi, > > Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: > > http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 > > Enjoy! > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From cartravel at pobox.com Thu May 10 12:55:45 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:55:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> Message-ID: <4FAC0F31.9010109@pobox.com> If I remember right, 70 lbs is pretty close to the seat force recommended for a stock cam. Most racing cams use more. I recommend 95 lbs for my cams, but you will see others recommend much more. The more I look at this stuff the more I believe this is due to some of these cams not having or not using a ramp. The ramp is a low rate of lift (velocity) area where the lash is taken up and the impact occurs. I recently looked at a cam (not for a Triumph) from a big name manufacturer. With the recommended valve lash, the impact velocity was about half the maximum velocity and more than 5 times what it should have been. This is like hitting the valve with a hammer to open it and slamming it down on the seat when you close it. Under these circumstances the valve will bounce unless you have strong spring force. I have never looked at the G3 cam, so can't say anything about it, but I have observed this problem on other racing cams (Triumph and non-Triumph) and I believe it is the reason for such large spring forces even for our little engines with light valve trains. see http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tip_Lash.html On 5/8/2012 4:50 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > The cam is a Kastner G3 and the rockers are stock TR4 with 1.55:1 ratio. > The measured cam lift is 0.342 giving a measured valve lift of 0.480 with > 0.016 tappet clearance. This gives an actual ratio of 1.45:1, valve lift + > tappet clearance to cam lift. We use a "red line" of 6000 RPM. > > > > I checked Good Parts but he only lists TR6 parts, at least that I saw. Are > the TR6 and TR4 valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seats > interchangeable? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim and Ryan > > 1961 TR4 #317 > > > > From: hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com > [mailto:hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:54 PM > To: timmurph at fastbytes.com > Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > > > i cannot help you with a parts without a lot of photos which I might not > recognize anyway, BUT, that is way way to low a seat pressrue. I don' know > your cam, but if it is high lifter from Larry or something like my old G-3 > then you want about 125 pounds on the seat. > > Never be beaten by equipment > > >> From: timmurph at fastbytes.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:23 -0500 >> CC: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov >> Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers >> >> The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only > have >> about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in >> his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled >> height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the > head. >> He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified >> height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of >> the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the >> suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened >> washers for racing purposes? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Tim and Ryan >> >> 1961 TR4 #317 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From jr.blaine at pittrace.com Thu May 10 12:56:47 2012 From: jr.blaine at pittrace.com (John Blaine) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 18:56:47 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Page 2 In-Reply-To: <1336667254.93174.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> <1336667254.93174.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56AE820BF36D714E811E7B2A1E6593D323BAF1B3@SBSERVER.beaverun.local> Gentlemen, I truly appreciate the opportunity to join with other Triumph friends. I currently have a 1958 TR3 (all original with 33,000 miles) and a 1969 TR6 that I bought "in boxes" to race. Hopefully one of them (or both) will be up and running soon. Thanks again, John Pittsburgh International Race Complex www.pittrace.com/ 201 Penndale Road Wampum, PA 16157 724-535-1000 Ext 604 724-740-1046 FAX -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:28 PM To: william r tobin Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Page 2 2nd if not already posted.. Bobby ________________________________ From: william r tobin To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 8:01:13 AM Subject: [Fot] Page 2 Hi again, at PittRace today I was talking to the general manager, John Blaine. When I mentioned my TR6, his eyes lit up. He has two Triumphs, a TR3 and Tr4, if I recall. Later, I had just unloaded when he stopped over to chat. Nice fellow. I'd like to nominate him for membership in our illustrious group. Another Triumph owner. How about that. Can I get a second? Thanks, Bill Tobin TR6 jr.blaine at pittrace.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jr.blaine at pittrace.com From igofaster at att.net Thu May 10 13:05:40 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 12:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] MItty Pix In-Reply-To: <877CBD59-E2E4-4BE7-8D53-DDE0AF0DFDCF@me.com> References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <877CBD59-E2E4-4BE7-8D53-DDE0AF0DFDCF@me.com> Message-ID: <1336676740.78093.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> been busy with work and logistics, new grandbaby, family, travel... I Love my GT6 so, it WILL rise from the ashes... Bobby.... thanks Scott! ________________________________ From: Scott Janzen To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 1:12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix Are we talking to the same guy who was almost ready to give up on this car after it broke? That's a pretty GT6, and I sure hope you stay committed to it! On May 10, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this morning... is that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix Hi, Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 Enjoy! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From igofaster at att.net Thu May 10 13:08:04 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 12:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: MItty Pix In-Reply-To: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1336676884.67839.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I did tag myself on Facebook.... and DID click a 'few' times.... awesome... Bobby ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Jason Ostrowski To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: Robert M. Lang ; FoT Triumph Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 1:16:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix Guess it recorded the 84 times you clicked on it last night. (and I peeked once) Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this morning... is >that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... >Bobby Whitehead > > > > >________________________________ >From: Robert M. Lang >To: fot at autox.team.net >Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix > > >Hi, > >Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: > >http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 > >Enjoy! >rml >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent >Former NER Solo Chair | >Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From tedtsimx at bright.net Thu May 10 13:47:39 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 15:47:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirt - last call Message-ID: <4FAC1B5B.5050001@bright.net> Hello lists. The Kastner Cup t.shirt program is approaching the end of the ordering period. Monday is the last day to order. This shirt was very popular at the recent Mitty Vintage Race. If we have enough orders to do another run, we will. If not, no harm - no foul. We need your name, address, size and method of payment by close of business Monday. Tuesday will be go or no go time. Price is $15 for small - x-large and $18 for XXL or XXXL. Thanks for your time. Ted Shirt can be viewed at this link: http://littlebluespitfire.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=6612 -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US& Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu May 10 14:05:13 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 16:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Headshots From Mitty 2012 Message-ID: Hi, Here are some headshots from the Mitty. http://tinyurl.com/72pzx3f There are def. some keepers in there. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu May 10 15:16:53 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 17:16:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: MItty Pix In-Reply-To: <1336676884.67839.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336676884.67839.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bobby I looked a few times too....and then showed the photos a few times....so now your in the sixties or seventy times you looked...and to me all the GT-6s looked good...for that matter there were alot of good looking race cars.....but the Spitfire with the GT-6 motor all "dollied "up by the Classic Motor Sport tent looked really nice and a good job that was done on that modification...hope that you all saw that one. On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I did tag myself on Facebook.... and DID click a 'few' times.... > awesome... > Bobby > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Jason Ostrowski > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: Robert M. Lang ; FoT Triumph > Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 1:16:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix > > > Guess it recorded the 84 times you clicked on it last night. (and I peeked > once) > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > > > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bobby Whitehead > wrote: > > any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this > morning... is > >that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to > frame... > >Bobby Whitehead > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > >From: Robert M. Lang > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM > >Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix > > > > > >Hi, > > > >Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: > > > >http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 > > > >Enjoy! > >rml > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > >Former NER Solo Chair | > >Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > > > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu May 10 18:14:18 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:14:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: MItty Pix In-Reply-To: References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336676884.67839.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have decided I hate 6's they are slow in the twisted and fast on straights Sent from my iPhone On May 10, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Robert Deanes wrote: > Bobby I looked a few times too....and then showed the photos a few > times....so now your in the sixties or seventy times you looked...and to me > all the GT-6s looked good...for that matter there were alot of good looking > race cars.....but the Spitfire with the GT-6 motor all "dollied "up by the > Classic Motor Sport tent looked really nice and a good job that was done on > that modification...hope that you all saw that one. > > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> I did tag myself on Facebook.... and DID click a 'few' times.... >> awesome... >> Bobby >> >> >> >> ----- Forwarded Message ---- >> From: Jason Ostrowski >> To: Bobby Whitehead >> Cc: Robert M. Lang ; FoT Triumph >> Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 1:16:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix >> >> >> Guess it recorded the 84 times you clicked on it last night. (and I peeked >> once) >> Jason Ostrowski >> Friendly Ghost Racing >> >> >> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bobby Whitehead >> wrote: >> >> any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this >> morning... is >>> that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to >> frame... >>> Bobby Whitehead >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Robert M. Lang >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: >>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 >>> >>> Enjoy! >>> rml >> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent >>> Former NER Solo Chair | >>> Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From kkjjk at aol.com Thu May 10 19:24:05 2012 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 21:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirt - last call In-Reply-To: <4FAC1B5B.5050001@bright.net> References: <4FAC1B5B.5050001@bright.net> Message-ID: <8CEFD2BE3BCC06E-146C-1A6E9@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> Ted - I am in for two: One large and one XXL---- Thanks very much-- Jay De Pol, 804 Thompson Creek Road, Stevensville, MD. 21666. I can pay by check or CC. Please give me your phone number and which method of payment you prefer. -----Original Message----- From: Ted Schumacher To: FOT ; TR list ; TR8 CCCA Listing ; spitfires ; nass Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 5:46 pm Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirt - last call Hello lists. The Kastner Cup t.shirt program is approaching the end of the ordering period. Monday is the last day to order. This shirt was very popular at the recent Mitty Vintage Race. If we have enough orders to do another run, we will. If not, no harm - no foul. We need your name, address, size and method of payment by close of business Monday. Tuesday will be go or no go time. Price is $15 for small - x-large and $18 for XXL or XXXL. Thanks for your time. Ted Shirt can be viewed at this link: http://littlebluespitfire.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=6612 -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US& Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu May 10 19:43:32 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 18:43:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FAC6EC4.9020103@comcast.net> Sorry to be so slow in responding to this - a bit late in catching up on e-mail. I needed a new set of headers about 3 years back when I switched from an 1147 to a 1300. I had a set of Stahl headers, but they were very old and beat. My frame and bellhousing had already been notched to fit them. I called and talked with Jere Stahl. Bottom line was he told me to call around and look for a used set - didn't want to be bothered with making a new one for me. I also tried a set of Pace headers, but they are for a street car and hang too far below the frame to work on a race car. I ended up having a set of 4 into 1 headers custom made for me. My engine builder gave the specs to the fabricator and I set him up with a dummy engine/gearbox./frame to work with. It wasn't cheap, but they seem to work really well. I do have an extra header flange as I had them cut out two just in case. My car is HP legal, limited prep. On 5/3/2012 9:42 AM, George Harmuth wrote: > I was looking at the various Spit engines in the paddock but I forgot to > ask what kind of headers people were using. My car came with a set of Tri-Y > and I replaced them with a new set two years ago. My understanding is these > style help with low to mid range power. After getting passed, at a very > good clip, on the RA straights last weekend, I'm looking at ways to get > more power and still have the car SCCA H-Prod legal. Headers / exhaust > system are one of the few areas where Prep level 2 engines are given free > range. > > I'm thinking about a 4->1 style, like a Stahl, which I heard is better for > top end. Any input is appreciated. > > thanks > mike > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From rwestfall at ymail.com Thu May 10 20:44:51 2012 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 19:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Headshots From Mitty 2012 Message-ID: <1336704291.38369.YahooMailMobile@web162304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Bmaynard at usinterner.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Thu May 10 20:48:16 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 21:48:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: MItty Pix In-Reply-To: References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336676884.67839.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <029592AA-7A6F-4CB2-88A9-173F54BFDA0A@yahoo.com> Not all of them. Sent from my iPhone On May 10, 2012, at 7:14 PM, John Hasty wrote: > I have decided I hate 6's they are slow in the twisted and fast on straights > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 10, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Robert Deanes wrote: > >> Bobby I looked a few times too....and then showed the photos a few >> times....so now your in the sixties or seventy times you looked...and to me >> all the GT-6s looked good...for that matter there were alot of good looking >> race cars.....but the Spitfire with the GT-6 motor all "dollied "up by the >> Classic Motor Sport tent looked really nice and a good job that was done on >> that modification...hope that you all saw that one. >> >> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >>> I did tag myself on Facebook.... and DID click a 'few' times.... >>> awesome... >>> Bobby >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Forwarded Message ---- >>> From: Jason Ostrowski >>> To: Bobby Whitehead >>> Cc: Robert M. Lang ; FoT Triumph >>> Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 1:16:42 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix >>> >>> >>> Guess it recorded the 84 times you clicked on it last night. (and I peeked >>> once) >>> Jason Ostrowski >>> Friendly Ghost Racing >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bobby Whitehead >>> wrote: >>> >>> any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this >>> morning... is >>>> that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to >>> frame... >>>> Bobby Whitehead >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Robert M. Lang >>>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>>> Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: >>>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 >>>> >>>> Enjoy! >>>> rml >>> >>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent >>>> Former NER Solo Chair | >>>> Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >>> >>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> rob deanes >> TR Racer >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu May 10 21:10:08 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 22:10:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> Message-ID: <000001cd2f23$926c8a00$b7459e00$@com> Thanks to all who responded to my request for information on valve springs and pressures. I've ordered a set of springs and titanium retainers from British Frame and Engine. Generally the seat pressure recommended with my cam is around 105 to 120 lbs. I'll see what we get with the new springs and shim if necessary. I keep learning more as we go and this machinist/builder is willing to work with us. He does mostly Ford and Chevy V-8's for racing but fortunately is willing to work on our "Tractor" motors. With everything that he has found in the head and crank and rods, and with the new parts I hope we'll be a little bit quicker!! Now I just have to get all the parts and get it put together and on the track. Thanks again, the FOT is fantastic! Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 4:50 PM To: 'Kas Kastner' Cc: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers The cam is a Kastner G3 and the rockers are stock TR4 with 1.55:1 ratio. The measured cam lift is 0.342 giving a measured valve lift of 0.480 with 0.016 tappet clearance. This gives an actual ratio of 1.45:1, valve lift + tappet clearance to cam lift. We use a "red line" of 6000 RPM. I checked Good Parts but he only lists TR6 parts, at least that I saw. Are the TR6 and TR4 valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seats interchangeable? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 From: hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com [mailto:hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:54 PM To: timmurph at fastbytes.com Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers i cannot help you with a parts without a lot of photos which I might not recognize anyway, BUT, that is way way to low a seat pressrue. I don' know your cam, but if it is high lifter from Larry or something like my old G-3 then you want about 125 pounds on the seat. Never be beaten by equipment > From: timmurph at fastbytes.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:23 -0500 > CC: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have > about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in > his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled > height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. > He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified > height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of > the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the > suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened > washers for racing purposes? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim and Ryan > > 1961 TR4 #317 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From joeg at neb.rr.com Thu May 10 22:18:11 2012 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 23:18:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Old photos from Hallet Speedway Message-ID: <000501cd2f2d$140ea3f0$3c2bebd0$@rr.com> Found photos I had taken at Hallet Speedway in 2006 in my files. I don't believe I've ever shared them with the FOT, so I followed the lead of Bob Lang and threw 77 of them on photobucket. Hope the links work - second is for a slide show. http://s1154.photobucket.com/albums/p537/Spitfirejoe2012/ http://s1154.photobucket.com/albums/p537/Spitfirejoe2012/?albumview=slidesho w Joe Guinan Fremont, NE From tarch at bellsouth.net Fri May 11 07:19:13 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 09:19:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> Message-ID: <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> Greg, I am doing a valve & guide job on my TR-4 head. My cam is a Babe Erson BFE-149 with intake of 430 and duration of 282. My normal shift point is 5000 rpms with a never exceed of 5500. Inasmuch as I drive my car to events, reliability, not brute power, is the game plan. May I ask your recommendations on valve guides (bronze vs. iron), their clearances and spring pressures? What about multi-angle valve grinds? Another issue. I found a conspicuous crack between the center 2 water galleys between #2 & #3 pistons. It looks as if it's been there forever and does no harm. Does that render my cylinder head toast? Thanks, Richard Taylor TR-4 #196 From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri May 11 07:27:54 2012 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 09:27:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jeff 500 - Stuff for sale at event Message-ID: <616C3E08-619F-495F-96FE-CF004EE84250@comcast.net> I'll have a Chase Cam lipstick camera with roll bar mount and remote dash switch for sale and also an i/o port video camera mount in box with safety strap for sale at the track - cheap, both in excellent condition. See Steve Groh, 393 Spitfire, Lola Cup 410-322-9047 From cartravel at pobox.com Fri May 11 10:29:01 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 11:29:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MItty Pix In-Reply-To: References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FAD3E4D.3090300@pobox.com> I claim the reason for the number of views is the color. Yellow cars always get more press than others. When I was racing the TR3 (now John Hasty's), it was on the cover of Victory Lane twice and also appeared several times in other publications. Being somewhat unusual like a GT6 or TR3 probably doesn't hurt either. On 5/10/2012 12:10 PM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > On Thu, 10 May 2012, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this >> morning... is that sympathy like an obituary ?? > > I'd say it's more like "that's a great looking car". > >> ... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... > > I'll send you a hi-res image that you can put on a flash drive and get > printed at your local 1-hour photo place. It would be best if you > could choose which picture you like best - although with all those > hits, I think we know which one to print. > > :-) > > >> Bobby Whitehead > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From sjanzen at me.com Fri May 11 12:37:41 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 14:37:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jeff 500 - Paddock space In-Reply-To: <616C3E08-619F-495F-96FE-CF004EE84250@comcast.net> References: <616C3E08-619F-495F-96FE-CF004EE84250@comcast.net> Message-ID: to the extent that there will be a Triumph grotto in the paddock, I'm not arriving until Friday, mid-day and hoping someone wants to volunteer to block out a space for me - Ford Expedition and 20' trailer, ideally with room to pop out a side canopy. Prefer anywhere other than backing up to pit row. Let me know - thanks! Scott Janzen Triumph GT6 sjanzen at me.com 215-817-9315 From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Fri May 11 12:47:09 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 11:47:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing, etc. Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D7B@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Thanks, Greg. I'll pull the lifters and take a look. Ed Dunn From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri May 11 13:22:21 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 15:22:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Parts Message-ID: <33505F0F-8CFA-415E-BAA4-94F0A0CF628C@gdhs.com> Any one know where I might find a TR3A hood? Sent from my iPhone From bownes at seiri.com Fri May 11 15:11:44 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 17:11:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing, etc. In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D7B@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D7B@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: I'll have you all know I am now looking at that GT6 in my driveway and wondering if I should just put it on the track and be done with it...:) On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Thanks, Greg. I'll pull the lifters and take a look. > > Ed Dunn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From igofaster at att.net Fri May 11 15:18:54 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 14:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Engine Builder Message-ID: <1336771134.27743.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> assuming the worse... (should start removing the engine tomorrow) ... who does the group recommend as an engine builder KNOWLEDGEABLE in building a strong, reliable, engine for my GT6? I've had some quotes that seemed way out of line in the past, but I'm exploring new options for reasonable, and fairly quick turnaround.... Bobby From clw2000 at msn.com Fri May 11 15:50:38 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 17:50:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Parts In-Reply-To: <33505F0F-8CFA-415E-BAA4-94F0A0CF628C@gdhs.com> References: <33505F0F-8CFA-415E-BAA4-94F0A0CF628C@gdhs.com> Message-ID: John - Since shipping will be huge, try this guy in Columbia. His name is Bill and he has a HUGE graveyard of Triumphs and other European makes. It's disoriented but his inventory eclipses Don Trammell's, who I visited today. Didn't see a TR3 hood at Don's but wasn't looking for one. He could probably find one though. Bill (803) 754-5363/920-5363 or e-mail us at AOTT at mindspring.com (one of the phone numbers is wrong, not sure which one though) Thanks, Chuck Watson > From: jhhasty at gdhs.com > Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 15:22:21 -0400 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Parts > > Any one know where I might find a TR3A hood? > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri May 11 16:56:51 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 18:56:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jeff 500 - Paddock space References: <616C3E08-619F-495F-96FE-CF004EE84250@comcast.net> Message-ID: Scott, I'm planning on being there Wed. evening. If memory serves, I got your spot last year, beside Jim with the Pinto and Kris with the BMW, after you left. I'll see if I cam save some room. There's supposed to be a fairly big crowd there. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "fot" Cc: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 2:37 PM Subject: [Fot] Jeff 500 - Paddock space > to the extent that there will be a Triumph grotto in the paddock, I'm not > arriving until Friday, mid-day and hoping someone wants to volunteer to > block out a space for me - Ford Expedition and 20' trailer, ideally with > room to pop out a side canopy. Prefer anywhere other than backing up to > pit row. > > Let me know - thanks! > > Scott Janzen > Triumph GT6 > > sjanzen at me.com > 215-817-9315 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri May 11 17:09:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 19:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D7B@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <8CEFDE24EF0A694-9FC-20C90@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> Of COURSE! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: Edward Dunn Cc: fot Sent: Fri, May 11, 2012 5:56 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing, etc. I'll have you all know I am now looking at that GT6 in my driveway and wondering if I should just put it on the track and be done with it...:) On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Thanks, Greg. I'll pull the lifters and take a look. > > Ed Dunn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Fri May 11 17:18:33 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 16:18:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D7B@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D82@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Yes, absolutely! It wants to race, let it run... Ed From: robert bownes [mailto:bownes at seiri.com] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 2:12 PM To: Edward Dunn Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing, etc. I'll have you all know I am now looking at that GT6 in my driveway and wondering if I should just put it on the track and be done with it...:) On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Edward Dunn > wrote: Thanks, Greg. I'll pull the lifters and take a look. Ed Dunn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From horizonracing at msn.com Fri May 11 18:39:53 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (horizonracing at msn.com) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 17:39:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Engine Builder In-Reply-To: <1336771134.27743.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336771134.27743.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: /local/mailman/lynxXXXXpnGaLP: Permission denied [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of ic_list_big_grin.png] From tony at tonydrews.com Fri May 11 20:53:26 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 21:53:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> Message-ID: Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes is no big deal, don't worry about it. I run bronze guides. You just need enough valve to guide clearance that you don't stick a valve and they work fine. Don't use valve guide seals either. I had them put 0.003" clearance on my intakes and 0.0035" on my exhausts. I remember Greg having good recommendations in this regard too, so am interested in his view on the proper clearance. I was running 190 degrees at Road Atlanta and didn't stick a valve, so was pleased with that. The spring pressures should be specified by the cam builder. The Larry Young cams want about 100 lbs seat pressure. Ones with more dramatic opening events may want more, but that's largely to prevent valve float at higher RPM than you run. If you are having the seats ground, ask for a triple angle or radiused grind - I've been told that those can make a big difference in flow. My (newly prepared) head was milled 130 thou, I cleaned up the combustion chambers a little to remove any sharp edges primarily, they cut off the exhaust valve guide flush with the top of the port, and I had a triple angle grind done. NO porting whatsoever was done to it. I'm not sure I could tell the difference in power between that head and my old Comptune / Uncle Jack's porting services head. Tony Drews At 08:19 AM 5/11/2012, Richard Taylor wrote: >Greg, > >I am doing a valve & guide job on my TR-4 head. My cam is a Babe Erson >BFE-149 with intake of 430 and duration of 282. My normal shift point is >5000 rpms with a never exceed of 5500. Inasmuch as I drive my car to events, >reliability, not brute power, is the game plan. > >May I ask your recommendations on valve guides (bronze vs. iron), their >clearances and spring pressures? What about multi-angle valve grinds? > >Another issue. I found a conspicuous crack between the center 2 water >galleys between #2 & #3 pistons. It looks as if it's been there forever and >does no harm. Does that render my cylinder head toast? > >Thanks, > >Richard Taylor >TR-4 #196 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri May 11 22:01:27 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 23:01:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> Message-ID: <000501cd2ff3$e8106780$b8313680$@com> Richard, In talking to 3 different machine shops it appears that the "standard" valve grind for car engines is the triple grind. As about the only engines that have valve jobs any more are race engines, I think this is the "standard" for race engines. Tractor and industrial engines I think still use the traditional single angle grind. The machinist I'm using now says he has 0.040, 0.060 and 0.080 width valve seat cutters. I think they all use carbide valve seat cutters now and they don't really "grind" the seats with stones anymore. Anyway, he says he uses the 0.060 on the exhausts for more heat transfer surface and 0.040 on the intake seats, for what it's worth. My head is also cracked between those two water ports and so was our first head. Must be pretty common. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Richard Taylor [mailto:tarch at bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 8:19 AM To: 'Greg Solow'; 'Tim Murphy'; 'Kas Kastner' Cc: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers Greg, I am doing a valve & guide job on my TR-4 head. My cam is a Babe Erson BFE-149 with intake of 430 and duration of 282. My normal shift point is 5000 rpms with a never exceed of 5500. Inasmuch as I drive my car to events, reliability, not brute power, is the game plan. May I ask your recommendations on valve guides (bronze vs. iron), their clearances and spring pressures? What about multi-angle valve grinds? Another issue. I found a conspicuous crack between the center 2 water galleys between #2 & #3 pistons. It looks as if it's been there forever and does no harm. Does that render my cylinder head toast? Thanks, Richard Taylor TR-4 #196 From tony at tonydrews.com Fri May 11 22:52:55 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 23:52:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bronze valve guide clearances (TR-2, 3, 4) Message-ID: Tim Murphy put together the results of a recent survey as to what valve guide clearance is needed for the Bronze valve guides in the TR-2, 3 and 4. I've added it to the Uncle Jack's Engine Building Tips page on my website. It's funny, every time I read that page I learn something. Anyway, Tim's latest contribution is in the "Head" section of this page: http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm Cheers, Tony Drews From triumphs at consolidated.net Fri May 11 23:08:20 2012 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 00:08:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Old photos from Hallet Speedway In-Reply-To: <000501cd2f2d$140ea3f0$3c2bebd0$@rr.com> References: <000501cd2f2d$140ea3f0$3c2bebd0$@rr.com> Message-ID: Thanks. Good memories. Ken Gano Sent from my iPad On May 10, 2012, at 11:18 PM, "Joe Guinan" wrote: > Found photos I had taken at Hallet Speedway in 2006 in my files. I don't > believe I've ever shared them with the FOT, so I followed the lead of Bob > Lang and threw 77 of them on photobucket. Hope the links work - second is > for a slide show. > > > > http://s1154.photobucket.com/albums/p537/Spitfirejoe2012/ > > > > http://s1154.photobucket.com/albums/p537/Spitfirejoe2012/?albumview=slidesho > w > > > > > > Joe Guinan > > Fremont, NE > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat May 12 00:12:45 2012 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 23:12:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> Message-ID: Richard, I presume that by "intake" you mean total valve lift. .430" lift is quite a bit more than stock. I would use bronze guides and would try to obtain exhaust valves that have hard chromed or "plasma coated" stems. We use .0015" to .002" valve stem to guide clearance on the inlets & .002" to .0025" on the exhausts. Valve spring pressure with the valves closed should be 85 to 90 psi. You need to make sure that the spring you use do not go into "coil bind" at full valve lift. With the valve fully open, you must be able to stick a .040" feeler gauge in between the coils of the spring. We still "grind" all of our valve seats, and then lap them with fine compound to make sure we have a good seal. I guess we are "old school". We generally use seat widths of .040" on the exhaust & intake with hardened valve seats installed in the head in both intake and exhausts. I like to use 4 or more angles on the valve seats, 15, 30, 45, 60, & 75 degrees nicely blended to form as much of a radius as possible. The hardness of the seats prevents the seats from wearing or "pounding" and changing shape as the engine runs. The most critical area in a head's ports is the 1/4" or so as the seat "blends" into the "throat" of the port. That area critically effects the flow of the port and the valve seat. This is not to say that other areas of the ports are not important. But on an engine with a cam like yours, you could spend a lot of money and time for very little effect. The hotter the engine is, the more important the overall flow of the head and manifolds becomes. On a full race engine, ie cam with over 295 degrees duration, compression over 12: 1 and a power band going up to 7,000 rpm, a lot of power can be picked up by working on the exhaust port flow of the TR-4 . Greg Solow From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat May 12 00:23:47 2012 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 23:23:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Valve job & springs Message-ID: I forgot to mention, We like to improve the oil flow to the valve gear, ie, the top of the cylinder head. The best way to do that is to grind a passage that connects the two oil holes that go into the rear cam bearing housing when the rear cam bearing not in the block. Then the bearing is pressed into place as normal. this allows additional oil to go directly from the drilled hole coming from the rear main bearing up into the drilling that goes up into the head. No external oil lines needed, and the amount of flow allowed is just right. This it even a good thing to do on a street engine. Another way to do this is to grind additional flats like the two original ones on the rear cam journal. These flats connect the spiral grove on the rear cam journal and allow more oil "metering" up to the head. Tony is also right about valve stem seals. Even with the added oil flow gained by the above modifications, you do not need or want valve stem seals on these engines. They will just cause trouble like sticking valves! Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat May 12 04:26:01 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:26:01 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Lost some engine power..... In-Reply-To: <20120512035419.393F12D090C@autox.team.net> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035419.393F12D090C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000701cd3029$a27e9710$e77bc530$@com> Was not lucky with the new engine. Could be: - Exhaust with two mufflers - new header - maybe carburetor but dyno man said "it's not the carb, they are flowing great" http://youtu.be/oZcg4IBfYAk Cheers Chris From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sat May 12 08:21:11 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 07:21:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes > is no big deal, don't worry about it. > Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? Teriann From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat May 12 08:39:25 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 10:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-Clearance and Chemistry C. Gee? In-Reply-To: References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> Message-ID: <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> I think we all agree that bronze valve guides are good to use, if: they are properly clearanced...per Greg Solow, for instance. and if they have good material chemistry and properties. OK....CHUCK GEE or other metalurgist, what would you recommend for metal specification? I have seen some suspicious looking valve guides. Is there a supplier that anyone trusts? Being risk adverse, after a bad experience, we went back to oem type material. But if we had control over the source....... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Solow To: Richard Taylor ; 'Tim Murphy' ; 'Kas Kastner' Cc: ryan.murphy ; fot Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 2:20 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers Richard, I presume that by "intake" you mean total valve lift. .430" lift is quite a bit more than stock. I would use bronze guides and would try to obtain exhaust valves that have hard chromed or "plasma coated" stems. We use .0015" to .002" valve stem to guide clearance on the inlets & .002" to .0025" on the exhausts. Valve spring pressure with the valves closed should be 85 to 90 psi. You need to make sure that the spring you use do not go into "coil bind" at full valve lift. With the valve fully open, you must be able to stick a .040" feeler gauge in between the coils of the spring. We still "grind" all of our valve seats, and then lap them with fine compound to make sure we have a good seal. I guess we are "old school". We generally use seat widths of .040" on the exhaust & intake with hardened valve seats installed in the head in both intake and exhausts. I like to use 4 or more angles on the valve seats, 15, 30, 45, 60, & 75 degrees nicely blended to form as much of a radius as possible. The hardness of the seats prevents the seats from wearing or "pounding" and changing shape as the engine runs. The most critical area in a head's ports is the 1/4" or so as the seat "blends" into the "throat" of the port. That area critically effects the flow of the port and the valve seat. This is not to say that other areas of the ports are not important. But on an engine with a cam like yours, you could spend a lot of money and time for very little effect. The hotter the engine is, the more important the overall flow of the head and manifolds becomes. On a full race engine, ie cam with over 295 degrees duration, compression over 12: 1 and a power band going up to 7,000 rpm, a lot of power can be picked up by working on the exhaust port flow of the TR-4 . Greg Solow _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat May 12 09:43:22 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 11:43:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Engine Builder In-Reply-To: <1336771134.27743.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336771134.27743.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <862A979E-4C13-42BE-8751-723A05BA411E@gdhs.com> Having now had 2 CT's built, one rebuild & one a complete from scratch, head work etc. I am of the opinion the word "reasonable" when describing cost is like a rubber yard stick depending on whether you are the builder or the builder! Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > assuming the worse... (should start removing the engine tomorrow) ... who does > the group recommend as an engine builder KNOWLEDGEABLE in building a strong, > reliable, engine for my GT6? > > I've had some quotes that seemed way out of line in the past, but I'm exploring > new options for reasonable, and fairly quick turnaround.... > > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat May 12 10:02:23 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 11:02:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> Message-ID: Nah, it's in the water jacket area only. If sealed it would block off water on one side with water on the other side, so allowing a little H2O through there doesn't make a difference. Tony At 09:21 AM 5/12/2012, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: >>Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water >>holes is no big deal, don't worry about it. >Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? > >Teriann From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat May 12 10:17:08 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net><20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> TeriAnn is right. It might be in one of Kas' books, I think. TeriAnn's comprehensive website on heads is back up, according to TeriAnn. Another great resource that we have on the FOT LIST, regardless of competition status. There is a suggestion that this area can flutter and perhaps can disturb the gasket seal. The fix is something like drilling and tapping this area and running a screw down to a solid point in the water passage.....then milling flush. The FOT list is very much alive and well. The Mitty provided some stimulus, methinks. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman To: fot Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 10:37 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes > is no big deal, don't worry about it. > Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? Teriann _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From mdporter at dfn.com Sat May 12 10:27:59 2012 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 10:27:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-Clearance and Chemistry C. Gee? In-Reply-To: <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4FAE8F8F.5050803@dfn.com> On 5/12/2012 8:39 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I think we all agree that bronze valve guides are good to use, if: > > they are properly clearanced...per Greg Solow, for instance. > > and if they have good material chemistry and properties. > > OK....CHUCK GEE or other metalurgist, what would you recommend for metal > specification? > > As a general rule, most all of the guides will be some alloy containing aluminum and phosphorus. The higher the aluminum content, the more likely they are to grow, so one could probably do a comparison by weight, assuming the dimensions were the same from different suppliers. There's one more trick that can be done to bronze guides that isn't useful with the cast-iron variety--knurling. Aluminum bronze guides are more malleable than cast iron. Trying to knurl the cast iron simply causes it to chip, while the bronze guide will deform, making a ridge in the guide bore. Once that ridge has been reamed to the correct size, there are two advantages over using a stock bore. First, the guide tends to retain oil longer, rather than pumping it straight down the guide bore, and second, the contact area of the guide bore is reduced, making the valve less likely to stick. And, even with the reduced area, the wear characteristics are generally better than cast iron, and a good bronze guide can be knurled a couple of times before requiring replacement. Worth some experimentation, maybe. The business about valves sticking, I think, has much to do with improper clearances, and not the material itself, since the natural lubricity of phosphor bronzes is pretty good compared to cast iron, something demonstrated by the ability to use valve stem seals with bronze guides. Once the clearances are set up properly, and good stem seals found, bronze guides should contribute to a more consistently performing engine simply because the ability to use stem seals will reduce the amount of carbon accumulation on the valve heads and stems, keeping flow closer to optimum. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat May 12 10:28:07 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:28:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00fc01cd305c$37a0ec30$a6e2c490$@net> The crack connects two water galleys (galleries, actually. I think it's like footers[Yankees] and footings[the rest of the world]). Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:21 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes > is no big deal, don't worry about it. > Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? Teriann _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat May 12 10:31:45 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? Message-ID: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the crankcase? A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat May 12 10:42:24 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-NOW KNURLING!!!? In-Reply-To: <4FAE8F8F.5050803@dfn.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <4FAE8F8F.5050803@dfn.com> Message-ID: <8CEFE75580BF8E6-27EC-37CE3@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Excellent, Michael! Having been familiar with knurling from 50+ years ago, I quietly mentioned knurling recently and got a positive response. Intuitively, knurling valve guides makes sense to me. I inquired quietly because it had not been mentioned on the list that I was aware of, and didnt want to start a useless thread of controversy. However, there seems to be a consensus that any kind of a seal on our wet sleeve engines is not a good thing. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Porter To: Joe Alexander Cc: gregmogdoc ; tarch ; timmurph ; kaskas ; ryan.murphy ; fot Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 11:28 am Subject: Re: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-Clearance and Chemistry C. Gee? On 5/12/2012 8:39 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I think we all agree that bronze valve guides are good to use, if: > > they are properly clearanced...per Greg Solow, for instance. > > and if they have good material chemistry and properties. > > OK....CHUCK GEE or other metalurgist, what would you recommend for metal > specification? > > As a general rule, most all of the guides will be some alloy containing aluminum and phosphorus. The higher the aluminum content, the more likely they are to grow, so one could probably do a comparison by weight, assuming the dimensions were the same from different suppliers. There's one more trick that can be done to bronze guides that isn't useful with the cast-iron variety--knurling. Aluminum bronze guides are more malleable than cast iron. Trying to knurl the cast iron simply causes it to chip, while the bronze guide will deform, making a ridge in the guide bore. Once that ridge has been reamed to the correct size, there are two advantages over using a stock bore. First, the guide tends to retain oil longer, rather than pumping it straight down the guide bore, and second, the contact area of the guide bore is reduced, making the valve less likely to stick. And, even with the reduced area, the wear characteristics are generally better than cast iron, and a good bronze guide can be knurled a couple of times before requiring replacement. Worth some experimentation, maybe. The business about valves sticking, I think, has much to do with improper clearances, and not the material itself, since the natural lubricity of phosphor bronzes is pretty good compared to cast iron, something demonstrated by the ability to use valve stem seals with bronze guides. Once the clearances are set up properly, and good stem seals found, bronze guides should contribute to a more consistently performing engine simply because the ability to use stem seals will reduce the amount of carbon accumulation on the valve heads and stems, keeping flow closer to optimum. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sat May 12 10:45:29 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 09:45:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net><20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4FAE93A9.7030601@gmail.com> On 5/12/12 9:17 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > TeriAnn is right. > > It might be in one of Kas' books, I think. TeriAnn's comprehensive > website on heads is back up, according to TeriAnn. Yep, still there, but old links will break because the site has moved to a new URL www.tr3a.info So if you want to know things like how a UK fuse corresponds to a US spec fuse, how to space the sticks to be correct for your hood, about the optional PYE radio & where the antenna goes, what tool rolls look like, how to tell which cylinder head is which, how a DCOE works, which hole is used for what in a post TS-60000 TR3A, or just read through some TR service bulletins, just drop on by the web site. > Another great resource that we have on the FOT LIST, regardless of > competition status. Unlike you guys, the older I got the more risk adverse I became. I never got hooked on adrenalin. But I am a data junkie and like to collect information about the TR2-4A's. TeriAnn From tony at tonydrews.com Sat May 12 11:36:29 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:36:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 head crack between water holes In-Reply-To: <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Subject was "[Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers" I think we're talking about different areas of the head. The area Richard was talking about is between the two water holes in the head between Cyl #2 and #3. There's a picture of my (old) head here: http://www.tonydrews.com/2008-9Rebuild/DSCN0536.jpg It pretty clearly shows this area of the head, and you can also see the lines that are the edges of where the head gasket runs. There is no gasket surface area near that particular crack, and the other side of the water jacket (to run the pin / peg against) is far, far away, very deep into the head. On the other hand, there is the idea of "pinning" the head when you mill a bunch off. THAT may have prevented the crack in the head which caused me to have to have a new one prepared. There's some detail about that at the bottom of this otherwise unrelated page: http://www.tonydrews.com/Tony_Car.htm For that, you drill and tap holes around the periphery of the combustion chamber on the opposite side from the valves, screw something through the holes against the other side of the water jacket with some threadlocker, cut them off and have the surface ground / milled smooth. There is also a method of fixing cracks using overlapping screw-type pegs "stitching" I think it's called - that was one possible suggestion for an attempted repair of this crack: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/2012_0331Head_Crack0007.JPG There may be some value in fixing a crack between the water holes between Cylinders 2 and 3, but I'm not seeing it, and "Uncle" Jack always considered that to be a total non-issue. Cracks between the valve seats (another common problem) ARE a big deal. Tony At 11:17 AM 5/12/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >TeriAnn is right. > >It might be in one of Kas' books, I think. TeriAnn's comprehensive website on >heads is back up, according to TeriAnn. Another great resource that we have >on the FOT LIST, regardless of competition status. > >There is a suggestion that this area can flutter and perhaps can disturb the >gasket seal. > >The fix is something like drilling and tapping this area and running a screw >down to a solid point in the water passage.....then milling flush. > >The FOT list is very much alive and well. The Mitty provided some stimulus, >methinks. > > > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >To: fot >Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 10:37 am >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > >On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > > Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes > > is no big deal, don't worry about it. > > >Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? > >Teriann From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat May 12 12:57:03 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <093101cd306e$5d1a4170$0601a8c0@randall> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <093101cd306e$5d1a4170$0601a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <8CEFE882766EE12-27EC-3868A@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Randall, Perhaps I have eliminated one of the check list items...... DID COMPRESSION TEST AND LEAK DOWN....first. Leak down was more than I wanted for this engine and I re-ringed it and result was satisfactory. Still have problem.....I am hoping to find someone who has had this experience. In forty years, this is my first time for this issue. Thanks Randall. Keep them coming. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: 'Joe Alexander' Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 1:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? It's almost certain to be a problem with the rings not making a good seal. The combustion chamber in the head is surrounded by water passages, so a crack there would be leaking combustion into the coolant rather than the crankcase. Ditto the cylinder liners. Possible it could be a broken or cracked piston, but they generally get much worse, very fast. Dunno about your Ambro, but on a TR3 it is quite practical to pull a piston (or all of them) out without pulling the motor first. I replaced this one with the engine still in the car: http://s258.photobucket.com/albums/hh260/TR3driver/Misc%20parts/?action=view ¤t=BrokenTR3piston.jpg -- Randall > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:32 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's > attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes > oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes > air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding > the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3driver at ca.rr.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat May 12 13:33:11 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:33:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 head crack between water holes In-Reply-To: <20120512183921.EE0BA2D09B9@autox.team.net> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512183921.EE0BA2D09B9@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <001601cd3076$114967f0$33dc37d0$@com> Thanks Tony, good info! My machinist was concerned about that and now I have some more info for him. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 head crack between water holes Subject was "[Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers" I think we're talking about different areas of the head. The area Richard was talking about is between the two water holes in the head between Cyl #2 and #3. There's a picture of my (old) head here: http://www.tonydrews.com/2008-9Rebuild/DSCN0536.jpg It pretty clearly shows this area of the head, and you can also see the lines that are the edges of where the head gasket runs. There is no gasket surface area near that particular crack, and the other side of the water jacket (to run the pin / peg against) is far, far away, very deep into the head. On the other hand, there is the idea of "pinning" the head when you mill a bunch off. THAT may have prevented the crack in the head which caused me to have to have a new one prepared. There's some detail about that at the bottom of this otherwise unrelated page: http://www.tonydrews.com/Tony_Car.htm For that, you drill and tap holes around the periphery of the combustion chamber on the opposite side from the valves, screw something through the holes against the other side of the water jacket with some threadlocker, cut them off and have the surface ground / milled smooth. There is also a method of fixing cracks using overlapping screw-type pegs "stitching" I think it's called - that was one possible suggestion for an attempted repair of this crack: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/2012_0331Head_Crack0007.JPG There may be some value in fixing a crack between the water holes between Cylinders 2 and 3, but I'm not seeing it, and "Uncle" Jack always considered that to be a total non-issue. Cracks between the valve seats (another common problem) ARE a big deal. Tony At 11:17 AM 5/12/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >TeriAnn is right. > >It might be in one of Kas' books, I think. TeriAnn's comprehensive website on >heads is back up, according to TeriAnn. Another great resource that we have >on the FOT LIST, regardless of competition status. > >There is a suggestion that this area can flutter and perhaps can disturb the >gasket seal. > >The fix is something like drilling and tapping this area and running a screw >down to a solid point in the water passage.....then milling flush. > >The FOT list is very much alive and well. The Mitty provided some stimulus, >methinks. > > > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >To: fot >Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 10:37 am >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > >On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > > Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes > > is no big deal, don't worry about it. > > >Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? > >Teriann _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat May 12 13:35:56 2012 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:35:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com ><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net><20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net><4FAE71 D7.8050805@gmail.com> <20120512170617.984232D09B1@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Tony & TeriAnn, You may be right about the crack. But on a race engine especially, I like to have the center part of the crack pinned to., in theory at least, lock the front and rear parts of the lower surface of the head together and help prevent any relative movement between them. At least it makes me feel better to do this. If I were starting to prepare a head from scratch, I would look for one with no cracks anywhere. The crack in the center of the bottom is invariably from severe overheating at sometime in the past. There is no telling exactly what other invisible damage there may be that could cause problems in the future. For a street engine this crack, if that is all the damage there is, should not cause any issues. Greg From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sat May 12 13:57:51 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 15:57:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> Message-ID: <4FAEC0BF.5000200@blacksburg.net> On 5/8/2012 2:40 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have > about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in > his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled > height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. > He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified > height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of > the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the > suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened > washers for racing purposes? > Tim, Isky has been one recommended source. If you go that way, be sure they have the matching retainers. I ordered a set of their springs to go with the 777 cam I was using, only to find that they wouldn't fit standard TR retainers and they didn't have their own retainers in stock. But if I wanted to order 5K of them, I'd have been good to go. Instead, I went to BFE and Ken fixed me up with his springs and retainers - great combination. Good man there. BTW, I'm using 110# seat pressure. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat May 12 14:28:15 2012 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 13:28:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-Clearance and Chemistry References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: At one time in the long ago past we used Phosphor, Aluminum- bronze. We found it very hard, and also very abrasive. It had a tendency to wear through the chrome surface of the valve stems very quickly. For the past 15 years or so we have been using a Manganese- bronze alloy. We had our guides made by Precision Engine Parts to our specifications. The inlet valve guides are tapered where they hang out into the inlet port & the taper actually goes back up into the head so that the contact point between the head and the guide is a straight line around the guide, which it will not be if the guide has a straight od. (because it comes out of the hole in the head into the port through the wall of the port where it is at an angle to the guide. As the guide gets hot and tries to expand, it only touches the head on one side as it projects into the port. This will cause the guide to bend slightly to one side, away from the long side of the port. The exhaust guides we have made with an internal counter-bore on the bottom end. This is copied from the air cooled VW exhaust valve guides. A certain amount of head carbon will accumulate on the part of the exhaust valve stem that hangs out into the port when the exhaust valve is open. When the valve closes, this carbon is pulled back up into the space at the bottom of the guide and will eventually abrade the valve stem and the end of the guide at this point. The counter-bore in the bottom of the guide makes a space for this carbon to go where it will do no damage! Some of the best guides we have used were a process from Winona-Van Norman, an automotive machine shop machinery and tool supplies. They called it "Bronze-wall" It was a bronze alloy "heli-coil" like insert that was installed into a standard iron guide, then "broached" into place and honed to size. When the insert wore out, it could be removed and a new one installed without changing the centerline of the guide. They were very durable and held oil in between the coils of the bronze liner. Kas is familiar with this setup and used it at the Comp Dept., I believe. This only issue is finding someone with the equipment to do the installation. There are no machine shops in my area that can do it. i do not know if Winona Van Norman still supplies the tooling and parts. The higher the cam lift, the faster the lift rates, the more important the guide material, clearance and installation becomes. The same of true of having the correct rocker arm geometry. If this is not correct, there is to much side load placed on the top of the valve stem and the guides will not last, no matter what the material they are made of. There is a Web site called www.mid-lift.com that talks about geometry in great detail. We have found that with the top of the valves at the stock hight above the head, the rocker shaft needs to be lowered about .090" from its stock hight to maintain correct geometry when using a cam that gives around .465" actual lift at the valve. As the lift goes up higher, the rocker shaft needs to be lowered, (or lash caps put on the tips of the valve stems to raise the contact point between the rocker arm and the valve tip. Greg Solow From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat May 12 14:41:52 2012 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 13:41:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil supply to the valve gear of a TR-4 References: <4FAE4BF7020000B60005CF50@mail.vbisd.org> <4FAE4BF8020000B60005CF53@mail.vbisd.org> <4FAE4BF8020000B60005CF53@mail.vbisd.org> Message-ID: <13C94FC82C524B0EB1CD01C786C1F590@your89d26e0447> I you have a stripped block, and you look down the oil hole drilling from the rear main bearing that goes to the rear calm bearing bore, you will see that there is a manufactured in restriction in that hole right near the main bearing. I can't tell you the exact size, but I think it is around 1/8" or so. The rest of the drilling is larger than 1/4". So this is the hole size that meters oil to the cam bearing. I grind a groove with a die grinder that has a 1/4" ball burr on the end. I try to go about 1/8" deep and 3/16" or so wide into the iron of the block. If by chance you get to much oil flow to the head, you can meter this by installing a jet into the horizontal hole in the head that has a bolt plugging its open end on the rear of the cylinder head. You can remove the bolt, tap the hole and screw in a plug with any size hole in it you wish. So this can be done with the engine installed in the car and the head on, if the drilling and tapping is done before hand. I drilled one head to accept Holley main jets as metering plugs. I have never had to make use of this feature. Greg Solow From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat May 12 15:45:02 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 21:45:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it would force out water before oil starts leaking. A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is getting forced to the valve area. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 To: Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the crankcase? A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From rocky at spitfire4.com Sat May 12 17:23:10 2012 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 18:23:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Carroll Shelby dead Message-ID: <6198D98A0F6440DDA33CA005CE2966BB@rocky> Hard to believe not a single comment about "Ol' Shel," who died Thursday night. On topic? The Cobra was a Brit chassis, by AP. Met him once, during a press tour of his factory in LA. He served up his famous chili. Famous in the sports car racing, chicken ranching, chili cooking and medical worlds (lived 22 years with a heart transplant). May the road rise up to meet you, Carroll. --Rocky Entriken From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat May 12 17:35:30 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 18:35:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <20120512225832.4286A2D09CB@autox.team.net> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.4286A2D09CB@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <0BAC2036-1FA0-436A-B2DE-9A583FDDC58D@austin.rr.com> Wouldn't the first step be a leakdown test to see if air hisses out of the crankcase ? Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Joe, > > Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it would force out water before oil starts leaking. > A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is getting forced to the valve area. > > Cheers > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 > To: > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sat May 12 18:47:48 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 19:47:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> Joe, I have had head gaskets that leaked and pressurized both the crankcase and the coolant passages. However, the most common reasons for over pressurized crankcases that i have experienced are improperly seated, broken or worn rings and holes in pistons. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Joe, > > Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it would force out water before oil starts leaking. > A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is getting forced to the valve area. > > Cheers > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 > To: > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat May 12 19:10:34 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 21:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Mike, I changed the head to lower the compression to use pump gas as i drive the Ambro on the street. I am now wondering if this isnt where the problem started. I drove the Ambro to Minneapolis 200+ miles, following 'uncle jack', the Stag and Johnmac at Freeway speeds. It had the old head and it didnt leak any oil. My time working on this car is far apart in time so I tend to lose continuity. What can there be about this head that would do this? i am not losing coolant, btw. Thanks Mike and all. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson To: tr4racing Cc: Joe Alexander ; fot-bounces ; fot Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 7:48 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? Joe, I have had head gaskets that leaked and pressurized both the crankcase and the coolant passages. However, the most common reasons for over pressurized crankcases that i have experienced are improperly seated, broken or worn rings and holes in pistons. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Joe, > > Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it would force out water before oil starts leaking. > A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is getting forced to the valve area. > > Cheers > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 > To: > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sat May 12 19:49:37 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 20:49:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It sounds to me like compression gasses are pressurizing your crankcase. So there may be an issue like a crack or casting flaw with your head or a poor sealing head gasket. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2012, at 8:10 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Mike, > > I changed the head to lower the compression to use pump gas as i drive the Ambro on the street. > > I am now wondering if this isnt where the problem started. > > I drove the Ambro to Minneapolis 200+ miles, following 'uncle jack', the Stag and Johnmac at Freeway speeds. It had the old head and it didnt leak any oil. > > My time working on this car is far apart in time so I tend to lose continuity. > > What can there be about this head that would do this? i am not losing coolant, btw. > > Thanks Mike and all. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Munson > To: tr4racing > Cc: Joe Alexander ; fot-bounces ; fot > Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 7:48 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > Joe, I have had head gaskets that leaked and pressurized both the crankcase and > the coolant passages. However, the most common reasons for over pressurized > crankcases that i have experienced are improperly seated, broken or worn rings > and holes in pistons. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > > > Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it > would force out water before oil starts leaking. > > A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is > getting forced to the valve area. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Alexander > > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 > > To: > > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. > > > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless > > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the > > crankcase? > > > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem > > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > A. R. E. > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From dlhogye at comcast.net Sat May 12 21:05:06 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 03:05:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Carroll Shelby dead In-Reply-To: <6198D98A0F6440DDA33CA005CE2966BB@rocky> Message-ID: <1262980841.279382.1336878306241.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Indeed sad news. 'been a fan since about '67, age 4. Hooked on cars ever since. My friends dad had 2 427 Cobras. His mom still has evidence of a scar on her calf from a hot sidepipe. Regrettably, he sold both and bought a new '69 427 Vette. R.I.P. Mr. Shelby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Entriken" To: ".Triumph List" Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:23:10 PM Subject: [Fot] Carroll Shelby dead Hard to believe not a single comment about "Ol' Shel," who died Thursday night. On topic? The Cobra was a Brit chassis, by AP. Met him once, during a press tour of his factory in LA. He served up his famous chili. Famous in the sports car racing, chicken ranching, chili cooking and medical worlds (lived 22 years with a heart transplant). May the road rise up to meet you, Carroll. --Rocky Entriken _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From kaskas at cox.net Sun May 13 17:12:38 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 23:12:38 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Atlanta Message-ID: Thanks to all the heros that supported the event for the 10th Kastner Cup. It was more than terrific. Great people and cars and racing. In the end, 31 drivers made it for the cup race and there was a high degree of racing and hopefully a lot of fun. The Triumph clubs all came in and supported the event and make Triumph the car of the day even yet again. Tim Studdard and the crew from Grassroots Motorsports along with the FOT, Joe Alexander and HSR made this one event that will be hard for anyone to top.Thanks to all for a great time. Never be beaten by equipment From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sun May 13 19:59:57 2012 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 11:59:57 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Re-valve guides revisited Message-ID: this is what i had to say a few months back and see no reason to change my view................ ********************************************** in our engine shop, we avoid bronze guides unless we really have to use them such as with some specially coated titanium valves cast iron guides last for a very long time under very arduous conditions about the only OE manufacturer that I've seen that routinely uses a bronze guide is M Benz, and they are a very special product and only used in some of their engines not all bronze guides are equal. we have encountered numerous grades. all of them are notoriously difficult to size. we have special tooling to deal with them. there is an argument that some types of bronze guides can run lower clearances and therfore improve heat transfer from valve stem to guide. i have never seen any documented or visual proof of this . IMHO, especially with older cars like TR's, they are mostly a marketing fad, with unscrupulous vendors appealing to the 'go faster" set ***************************************************************************** there has been some mention in the posts over the last week of bronze guide liners. these are still very common with budget priced rebuilds , with the american K-line brand being very common, and especially good for some american V8's where the guides are not removable. whilst we use them occasionally, we use cast iron "sleeves" (called thin wall guides) where possible to repair these types of heads. if we have a metallurgist amongst us, then some real advice on bronze guide composition would be good. my challenge to all the readers of this subject is for someone to demonstrate some real world benefits in old engines, over an above a properly fitted & reamed cast iron guide . Terry From jaboruch at netzero.net Sun May 13 20:10:21 2012 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 02:10:21 GMT Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? Message-ID: <20120513.221021.25884.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Joe, you could have a head gasket leak from a cylinder to the lifter valley. Years ago I suspected this, so I started adding a fine copper wire to the head gasket around the lifter valley, with a heavier gauge wire around the cylinders. I would think that something would have shown up with the leak down or compression test, but maybe it is only showing up with the higher combustion pressures? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Joe Alexander To: TR3driver at ca.rr.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Randall, Perhaps I have eliminated one of the check list items...... DID COMPRESSION TEST AND LEAK DOWN....first. Leak down was more than I wanted for this engine and I re-ringed it and result was satisfactory. Still have problem.....I am hoping to find someone who has had this experience. In forty years, this is my first time for this issue. Thanks Randall. Keep them coming. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: 'Joe Alexander' Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 1:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? It's almost certain to be a problem with the rings not making a good seal. The combustion chamber in the head is surrounded by water passages, so a crack there would be leaking combustion into the coolant rather than the crankcase. Ditto the cylinder liners. Possible it could be a broken or cracked piston, but they generally get much worse, very fast. Dunno about your Ambro, but on a TR3 it is quite practical to pull a piston (or all of them) out without pulling the motor first. I replaced this one with the engine still in the car: http://s258.photobucket.com/albums/hh260/TR3driver/Misc%20parts/?action=view ¤t=BrokenTR3piston.jpg -- Randall > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:32 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's > attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes > oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes > air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding > the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3driver at ca.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4fb069d2c4d8b14df7d9st05duc From chasgee at aol.com Sun May 13 21:44:35 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 20:44:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-Clearance and Chemistry C. Gee? In-Reply-To: <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3413392B-B453-4335-A8E8-92FCF2EFD1D8@aol.com> Hi Joe, I don't remember the exact alloy we (Jerry Barker and I) use, I'll have to check through my records and report back. As others have said, they just have to have proper clearance, which is looser than cast iron versions, IIRC. We run very small diameter titanium valves which might be why we have no problems (less surface area). Chuck On May 12, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I think we all agree that bronze valve guides are good to use, if: > > they are properly clearanced...per Greg Solow, for instance. > > and if they have good material chemistry and properties. > > OK....CHUCK GEE or other metalurgist, what would you recommend for metal > specification? > > I have seen some suspicious looking valve guides. Is there a supplier that > anyone trusts? > > Being risk adverse, after a bad experience, we went back to oem type material. > But if we had control over the source....... > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Solow > To: Richard Taylor ; 'Tim Murphy' > ; 'Kas Kastner' > Cc: ryan.murphy ; fot > Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 2:20 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > > Richard, > I presume that by "intake" you mean total valve lift. .430" lift is > quite a bit more than stock. I would use bronze guides and would try to > obtain exhaust valves that have hard chromed or "plasma coated" stems. We > use .0015" to .002" valve stem to guide clearance on the inlets & .002" to > .0025" on the exhausts. Valve spring pressure with the valves closed should > be 85 to 90 psi. You need to make sure that the spring you use do not go > into "coil bind" at full valve lift. With the valve fully open, you must be > able to stick a .040" feeler gauge in between the coils of the spring. > We still "grind" all of our valve seats, and then lap them with fine > compound to make sure we have a good seal. I guess we are "old school". We > generally use seat widths of .040" on the exhaust & intake with hardened > valve seats installed in the head in both intake and exhausts. I like to > use 4 or more angles on the valve seats, 15, 30, 45, 60, & 75 degrees nicely > blended to form as much of a radius as possible. The hardness of the seats > prevents the seats from wearing or "pounding" and changing shape as the > engine runs. The most critical area in a head's ports is the 1/4" or so as > the seat "blends" into the "throat" of the port. That area critically > effects the flow of the port and the valve seat. This is not to say that > other areas of the ports are not important. But on an engine with a cam like > yours, you could spend a lot of money and time for very little effect. The > hotter the engine is, the more important the overall flow of the head and > manifolds becomes. On a full race engine, ie cam with over 295 degrees > duration, compression over 12: 1 and a power band going up to 7,000 rpm, a > lot of power can be picked up by working on the exhaust port flow of the > TR-4 . > > Greg Solow > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun May 13 21:48:41 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 20:48:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Re-valve guides revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0a7601cd3184$746320b0$0601a8c0@randall> > about the only OE manufacturer that I've seen that routinely > uses a bronze > guide is M Benz, and they are a very special product and only > used in some > of their engines FWIW (not much) I recall reading that GM used bronze alloy guides in their supercharged Corvair; due to unacceptable wear with cast-iron guides. But the same engine naturally aspirated used cast iron. -- Randall From mark at bradakis.com Sun May 13 23:10:24 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 23:10:24 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Team.Net notes Message-ID: <20120514051024.4F6E82E059@bradakis.com> In case you are wondering: http://www.team.net/status.html mjb. From igofaster at att.net Mon May 14 12:41:14 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 11:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] gt6 Message-ID: <1337020874.6004.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> preliminary report is .. engine is out on a stand, removed oil pan... #2 piston is in a million pieces. The rod is there with the pin. There is a hole in the cylinder wall toward the flywheel end... from the bottom, initially the valves look okay, but that is optimism. Hole in the cylinder wall is trash right? Head is coming off next, more this afternoon... Bobby.... From jsnook at wcnet.org Mon May 14 12:54:11 2012 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 14:54:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Water Temp Gauge Message-ID: <00e001cd3202$f381b5e0$da8521a0$@org> Hi all, Looking for an original style (Jaeger domed glass) water temp gauge for my TR3A. Anyone know of one for sale (that works) or a source for rebuilding. Vroom, vroom, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 (Mobile) From igofaster at att.net Mon May 14 14:00:40 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 13:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] gt6... Message-ID: <1337025640.72090.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> there's a hole in my engine, where the piston went.... I've been singing that along to an old Crowded House tune "Hole in the River" .... I THINK the head is okay.. the valves on #2 look mostly unscathed... I'll send some pictures tonight or tomorrow morning... I wanna a shower and go play guitar... even though I'm not a blues fan... I'll play at least one BB King tribute... blues.... Bobby From bownes at seiri.com Mon May 14 15:22:47 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 17:22:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] gt6 In-Reply-To: <1337020874.6004.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1337020874.6004.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Unless you are a serious miracle worker, the hole in the block is fatal. At least for the block. Bob On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > preliminary report is .. engine is out on a stand, removed oil pan... #2 > piston > is in a million pieces. The rod is there with the pin. There is a hole in > the > cylinder wall toward the flywheel end... from the bottom, initially the > valves > look okay, but that is optimism. Hole in the cylinder wall is trash right? > Head is coming off next, more this afternoon... Bobby.... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Mon May 14 16:13:47 2012 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 08:13:47 +1000 Subject: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited Message-ID: i think you guys are missing the point. bronze guides were intended to be able to run *smaller* clearances for better heat transfer. there is absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed stem valves (very rare nowadays). you want the absolute minimum for best heat transfer. Terry From robertten1 at aol.com Mon May 14 16:53:40 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube Message-ID: <8CF003B89FF85EF-1D10-98055@webmail-d023.sysops.aol.com> Amici Triumphi ! While working on building and installing the engine in my Spit, I realized I might if tossed the distance tube for the dipstick. This is the part that presses into the block on later Spit engines, mine being an early 1500. There is a part number for it ( 121831 ) and it is also used on the TR7 engines. I guess painting it yellow didn't stop me from loosing, tossing,it (?). So my question is there anyone out there that can help me acquire one of these, and I am willing to pay for it. Thanks in advance, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon May 14 18:14:49 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 17:14:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02c301cd322f$be42c130$3ac84390$@rr.com> > there > is absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed > stem valves (very rare nowadays). Or don't want the exhaust valves to stick open when the guides get good and hot, and expand inward (because they can't expand outward against the cast iron head). BTDT -- Randall From mdporter at dfn.com Mon May 14 18:26:32 2012 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:26:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FB1A2B8.9080403@dfn.com> On 5/14/2012 4:13 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote: > i think you guys are missing the point. bronze guides were intended to be > able to run *smaller* clearances for better heat transfer. there > is absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed > stem valves (very rare nowadays). you want the absolute minimum for best > heat transfer. > Umm, the issue is not the cold clearance, but the hot running clearance. Since the thermal coefficient of expansion of bronze is, depending upon type, about 2-1/2 to 3 times that of cast iron, their use in cast iron heads requires additional cold clearance, so that the hot running clearance is adequate. When the guide grows with heat, the actual running bore gets smaller, because the mechanical strength of the cast iron is higher and the coefficient of expansion is lower than that of the bronze. This is a matter rarely of concern when using bronze guides in an aluminum head, since the coefficients of expansion are closer to the same (a ratio of perhaps 3 to 4), but with cast iron, a much bigger deal because the ratio is more like 3 to 1. This is why so many racers in this country have experienced valves sticking when using the recommended factory cold clearance (appropriate only for cast-iron guides). Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From chasgee at aol.com Mon May 14 20:44:15 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 22:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF005BC08FBCF4-2C4-60623@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com> Actually, I don't think I'm missing anything. You should only be concerned with the clearances AT TEMPERATURE. Cast iron has a Coefficient of Thermal Expansion of around 6 micro inches/inch per degree F. Most bronze alloys are around 10, so the guides will grow quite a bit more and cause the bore to shrink more compared to cast iron guides. Now couple this with a change to 300 series stainless steel valves (CTE of 14), and you have a real mess compared to the stock set up. You have to take these differences into consideration when establishing the room temperature clearances using materials other than stock. I use bronze guides because those are readily available for my custom application. I also use the recommended clearance provided by the guide manufacturer for the valve material. Sure, I can make them a little tighter to get better heat transfer, but I'm guessing the gain will be very small for the potential tradeoff in reliability. I can get more performance out of my car by eating salad for a few months (after all, salad does equal speed). To be honest, I've used bronze guides now for over 15 years and couldn't really tell you if the room temperature clearance is larger or smaller compared to cast iron. My educated guess is that it is larger, simply because the materials used have greater CTEs. But feel free to tighten up the room temperature clearance with bronze guides and stainless steel valves. I can almost guarantee you will get them to stick. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Enquiries Road & Track To: fot Sent: Mon, May 14, 2012 4:56 pm Subject: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited i think you guys are missing the point. bronze guides were intended to be ble to run *smaller* clearances for better heat transfer. there s absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed tem valves (very rare nowadays). you want the absolute minimum for best eat transfer. erry ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 14 21:09:25 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 22:09:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited In-Reply-To: <4FB1A2B8.9080403@dfn.com> References: <4FB1A2B8.9080403@dfn.com> Message-ID: One of the FOT shared some calculations with me concerning the shrinking of clearances when hot... With Bronze guides with 0.004" clearance and Stainless Steel valves with 5/16" stems, when the exhaust valve hits 1000 degrees there will be 0" of clearance. I have no way to check the math and it's way above my pay grade, but what Michael is describing is exactly the issue in my mind. You want to run a clearance just big enough to avoid sticking the valves. I can't argue that Bronze is better than Iron for the guides, but a number of have found that if you don't run "enough" clearance, bad things can occur - and they get infinitely worse if you have enough lift that you're running an interference valve train. The conventional wisdom seemed to be that the iron guides had higher wear or were somehow inferior to Bronze but I'm really unclear where that notion came from. Tony At 07:26 PM 5/14/2012, Michael Porter wrote: >On 5/14/2012 4:13 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote: >>i think you guys are missing the point. bronze guides were intended to be >>able to run *smaller* clearances for better heat transfer. there >>is absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed >>stem valves (very rare nowadays). you want the absolute minimum for best >>heat transfer. > >Umm, the issue is not the cold clearance, but the hot running >clearance. Since the thermal coefficient of expansion of bronze is, >depending upon type, about 2-1/2 to 3 times that of cast iron, their >use in cast iron heads requires additional cold clearance, so that >the hot running clearance is adequate. When the guide grows with >heat, the actual running bore gets smaller, because the mechanical >strength of the cast iron is higher and the coefficient of expansion >is lower than that of the bronze. > >This is a matter rarely of concern when using bronze guides in an >aluminum head, since the coefficients of expansion are closer to the >same (a ratio of perhaps 3 to 4), but with cast iron, a much bigger >deal because the ratio is more like 3 to 1. This is why so many >racers in this country have experienced valves sticking when using >the recommended factory cold clearance (appropriate only for cast-iron guides). > > >Cheers. > >-- > > >Michael Porter >Roswell, NM > > >Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking >distance.... From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue May 15 08:12:25 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 07:12:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] gt6 References: <1337020874.6004.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <74D16842B9EA437C945DB5DD951A71C2@Charly> NOPE!, I had a hole in a block and a little damage to the cylinder on my 6 and I had a new liner fit and the hole welded up. As long as you didn't do any structural damage, it's salvageable, especially if you've had lots of machine work done to it. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bownes" To: "Bobby Whitehead" Cc: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] gt6 > Unless you are a serious miracle worker, the hole in the block is fatal. > At > least for the block. > > > Bob > > > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Bobby Whitehead > wrote: > >> preliminary report is .. engine is out on a stand, removed oil pan... #2 >> piston >> is in a million pieces. The rod is there with the pin. There is a hole in >> the >> cylinder wall toward the flywheel end... from the bottom, initially the >> valves >> look okay, but that is optimism. Hole in the cylinder wall is trash >> right? >> Head is coming off next, more this afternoon... Bobby.... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue May 15 10:47:11 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 11:47:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000c01cd32ba$5ff77090$1fe651b0$@com> Joe, I may have missed this on this thread, but have you done a compression check? This should show the results of some of the possible causes I've seen mentioned. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:11 PM To: fasttrs at yahoo.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? Mike, I changed the head to lower the compression to use pump gas as i drive the Ambro on the street. I am now wondering if this isnt where the problem started. I drove the Ambro to Minneapolis 200+ miles, following 'uncle jack', the Stag and Johnmac at Freeway speeds. It had the old head and it didnt leak any oil. My time working on this car is far apart in time so I tend to lose continuity. What can there be about this head that would do this? i am not losing coolant, btw. Thanks Mike and all. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson To: tr4racing Cc: Joe Alexander ; fot-bounces ; fot Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 7:48 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? Joe, I have had head gaskets that leaked and pressurized both the crankcase and the coolant passages. However, the most common reasons for over pressurized crankcases that i have experienced are improperly seated, broken or worn rings and holes in pistons. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Joe, > > Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it would force out water before oil starts leaking. > A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is getting forced to the valve area. > > Cheers > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 > To: > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From joeg at neb.rr.com Tue May 15 05:15:32 2012 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 06:15:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube (Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 37) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301cd328c$0b3008c0$21901a40$@rr.com> Bob, I probably have one in a spare 1500 block. Any idea of the correct length? Were there more than one lengths available? I'll check what I have and let you know - will have to be tomorrow though. If I have what you need, it's yours for the postage. Will just need an address. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE ---------------------------Original Message------------------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:40 -0400 (EDT) From: robertten1 at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube Amici Triumphi ! While working on building and installing the engine in my Spit, I realized I might if tossed the distance tube for the dipstick. This is the part that presses into the block on later Spit engines, mine being an early 1500. There is a part number for it ( 121831 ) and it is also used on the TR7 engines. I guess painting it yellow didn't stop me from loosing, tossing,it (?). So my question is there anyone out there that can help me acquire one of these, and I am willing to pay for it. Thanks in advance, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser From tedtsimx at bright.net Tue May 15 13:14:59 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 15:14:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirt reprint Message-ID: <4FB2AB33.3090208@bright.net> Hello list members. We did not receive enough orders to reprint the Kas Cup shirt. For those who did order, thanks for the effort. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US& Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue May 15 14:28:30 2012 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 14:28:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Air filter screens Message-ID: Would anyone have an extra pair of 3" 'slip on' Air Horn filter screens? These horns are for a CD-150 set. thanks! Kevin From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Tue May 15 14:54:04 2012 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 20:54:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] bleeding hydraulic throw out bearing Message-ID: <877960714.375330.1337115244590.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Can i get a run down on the bleed procedure for a hydraulic bearing> In the past i just let gravity do the work but i don't have the clutch peddle as before, the shifts are sticky as well as reverse grinds a lot to engage and hard to pull out I ran this on jack stands up to about 3kB rpmB B B thanksB rob From jkhagen at charter.net Tue May 15 15:43:15 2012 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 17:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube (Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 37) Message-ID: <4334252f.1d4d1d.13752747ec2.Webtop.44@charter.net> Spitfire racers/street owners--Dean Johnson [e/f prod. national champion] is selling all his Spitfire cars and parts--too many to mention. E-mail dean at motorscop.net John Hagen On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Joe Guinan wrote: > Bob, > > I probably have one in a spare 1500 block. Any idea of the correct > length? > Were there more than one lengths available? I'll check what I have > and let > you know - will have to be tomorrow though. If I have what you need, > it's > yours for the postage. Will just need an address. > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > ---------------------------Original > Message------------------------------------------ > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:40 -0400 (EDT) > From: robertten1 at aol.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube > > Amici Triumphi ! > > While working on building and installing the engine in my Spit, I > realized I > might if tossed the distance tube for the dipstick. This is the part > that > presses into the block on later Spit engines, mine being an early > 1500. > There > is a part number for it ( 121831 ) and it is also used on the TR7 > engines. > I > guess painting it yellow didn't stop me from loosing, tossing,it (?). > > So my question is there anyone out there that can help me acquire one > of > these, and I am willing to pay for it. > > Thanks in advance, > Bob T > > '64 Spit GT autocrosser > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue May 15 20:06:27 2012 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 02:06:27 GMT Subject: [Fot] bleeding hydraulic throw out bearing Message-ID: <20120515.220627.24810.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> I have a braided hose that runs from the hydraulic bearing up into the passenger compartment, which has bleeder at the end of the hose. I use a pressure bleeder and push the fluid thru and out the bleeder. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net To: FOT team Subject: [Fot] bleeding hydraulic throw out bearing Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 20:54:04 +0000 (UTC) Can i get a run down on the bleed procedure for a hydraulic bearing> In the past i just let gravity do the work but i don't have the clutch peddle as before, the shifts are sticky as well as reverse grinds a lot to engage and hard to pull out I ran this on jack stands up to about 3kB rpmB B B thanksB rob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ The New "Skinny" Fruit How This Strange 62-Cent African Fruit Is Making Americans Skinny. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4fb30bfb3993415e4fc7st06duc From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue May 15 21:03:56 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 22:03:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited In-Reply-To: <20120515044330.7E8E02D094A@autox.team.net> References: <4FB1A2B8.9080403@dfn.com> <20120515044330.7E8E02D094A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000301cd3310$8881e580$9985b080$@com> I had sent Tony the spread sheet some time ago analyzing the clearance between the guide and the valve at various temperatures. This is based on the coefficient of expansion of cast iron (cylinder head, 6.0X10b;b6 In / In / Deg. F.), manganese bronze (guides, 11.8X10b;b6 In / In / Deg. F.) and valves (21-4N stainless steel 9.9X10b;b6 In / In / Deg. F.). I think, based on an internet search, that 21-4N is the common stainless steel used for exhaust valves. The model is based on the bore in the cylinder head being smaller than the O.D. of the guide at operating temperature due to the differences in their coefficient of expansion, just as others have recently mentioned. This makes the bore or I.D. of the guide smaller at operating temperature. The biggest factor is the coefficient of expansion of the valve being almost double that of the cast iron, which controls the I.D. of the guide. I've since refined the model to incorporate different rates of temperature rise in the head, guide and valve stem. The next thing to do was to get better data on the operating temperatures, particularly in a race environment. I've been searching the internet trying to get an idea on temperatures of the exhaust valve, guide and cylinder head. So far I've found that the surface of the combustion chamber is in the neighborhood of 266 to 496 degrees F. Then I found that exhaust valves run in the area of 1000 degrees F. The interesting thing was that the point was made that the valve is only "exposed" to the exhaust gases for 1 out of 4 of the cycles, more or less. The point being that there is a lot of time to transfer the heat to the seat (which transfers the most heat) and the guide. Question: I am aware of the "downside" of not having enough clearance, i.e. a stuck valve, but what is the "downside" of too much clearance? I think we are talking about a clearance of 0.004 versus 0.002 on the diameter of the exhaust valve, cold. That's only a difference of 0.001 on a side, cold! And at operating temperatures the difference will be quite a bit less. A stuck valve can cost a race weekend and more, what can a "loose" guide cost? Tim Murphy -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 10:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited One of the FOT shared some calculations with me concerning the shrinking of clearances when hot... With Bronze guides with 0.004" clearance and Stainless Steel valves with 5/16" stems, when the exhaust valve hits 1000 degrees there will be 0" of clearance. I have no way to check the math and it's way above my pay grade, but what Michael is describing is exactly the issue in my mind. You want to run a clearance just big enough to avoid sticking the valves. I can't argue that Bronze is better than Iron for the guides, but a number of have found that if you don't run "enough" clearance, bad things can occur - and they get infinitely worse if you have enough lift that you're running an interference valve train. The conventional wisdom seemed to be that the iron guides had higher wear or were somehow inferior to Bronze but I'm really unclear where that notion came from. Tony At 07:26 PM 5/14/2012, Michael Porter wrote: >On 5/14/2012 4:13 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote: >>i think you guys are missing the point. bronze guides were intended to be >>able to run *smaller* clearances for better heat transfer. there >>is absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed >>stem valves (very rare nowadays). you want the absolute minimum for best >>heat transfer. > >Umm, the issue is not the cold clearance, but the hot running >clearance. Since the thermal coefficient of expansion of bronze is, >depending upon type, about 2-1/2 to 3 times that of cast iron, their >use in cast iron heads requires additional cold clearance, so that >the hot running clearance is adequate. When the guide grows with >heat, the actual running bore gets smaller, because the mechanical >strength of the cast iron is higher and the coefficient of expansion >is lower than that of the bronze. > >This is a matter rarely of concern when using bronze guides in an >aluminum head, since the coefficients of expansion are closer to the >same (a ratio of perhaps 3 to 4), but with cast iron, a much bigger >deal because the ratio is more like 3 to 1. This is why so many >racers in this country have experienced valves sticking when using >the recommended factory cold clearance (appropriate only for cast-iron guides). > > >Cheers. > >-- > > >Michael Porter >Roswell, NM > > >Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking >distance.... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From igofaster at att.net Tue May 15 08:55:31 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 07:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 / Spitfire and Engine Message-ID: <1337093731.4254.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Talked to Ted at TSI thinking the engine block is terminal. I did tear into it a little farther removing the pistons and rods. #2 bearing on the rod (which is bent) is worn paper thin and probably gave way. 1000 pieces of the piston were in the oil pan, not worthy of photographs. The crank on #2 rod shows some damage, I think it was turned .020 last time and I'm not smart enough to know if this damage can be polished out, I'm guessing not. There was some pitting on the #2 lifter, some scorching on the outside of the #1 lifter to.. there was some other anomalies with a couple of the other bearings, and one or two lifters. Several other pistons were damaged or broken with bits and pieces of the destroyed piston moving throughout the engine. My knees were giving out , so that's where I was at last night... I'll try to post some photos this afternoon. on another note, I have my 1965 Race prepared Spitfire I'm getting ready to list and sell on eBay if anyone is interested. It needs some attention, but is probably close to being ready as I was in the middle of a complete rewiring of the electrical. It has a 1500 in it, two or three heads, robust chassis and roll cage. $4000.00 ... I also have a 1300 small journal engine that I rebuilt with head. Will need a race cam and custom pushrods to finish into a race engine. Otherwise the engine only had about 60,000 miles on it and the crankshaft and rods did NOT need to be turned so they were 0.000 (stock) bearings. I did re-sleeve the block, put 0.030 pistons in and had the short block balanced... I've got $4000.00+ in it at this point... $2000.00 is a deal for somebody... Bobby Whitehead .... onward through the fog! From rjl6n at cstone.net Wed May 16 04:45:53 2012 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (Water Rescue Chief) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 06:45:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <000c01cd32ba$5ff77090$1fe651b0$@com> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <000c01cd32ba$5ff77090$1fe651b0$@com> Message-ID: <3b86c7d9e67391237050c78cffc8f3dc.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Joe and Tim, A leakdown test might be even more informative. Good luck, John On Tue, May 15, 2012 12:47 pm, Tim Murphy wrote: > Joe, > I may have missed this on this thread, but have you done a > compression check? This should show the results of some of the possible > causes I've seen mentioned. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Joe Alexander > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:11 PM > To: fasttrs at yahoo.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com > Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > Mike, > > I changed the head to lower the compression to use pump gas as i drive the > Ambro on the street. > > I am now wondering if this isnt where the problem started. > > I drove the Ambro to Minneapolis 200+ miles, following 'uncle jack', the > Stag > and Johnmac at Freeway speeds. It had the old head and it didnt leak any > oil. > > My time working on this car is far apart in time so I tend to lose > continuity. > > What can there be about this head that would do this? i am not losing > coolant, > btw. > > Thanks Mike and all. > > > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Munson > To: tr4racing > Cc: Joe Alexander ; fot-bounces > ; > fot > Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 7:48 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > > Joe, I have had head gaskets that leaked and pressurized both the > crankcase > and > the coolant passages. However, the most common reasons for over > pressurized > crankcases that i have experienced are improperly seated, broken or worn > rings > and holes in pistons. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > >> Hi Joe, >> >> Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking >> it > would force out water before oil starts leaking. >> A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas > is > getting forced to the valve area. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joe Alexander >> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 >> To: >> Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? >> >> I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. >> >> It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. >> >> This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA >> >> After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out > regardless >> of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? >> >> I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. >> >> Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the >> crankcase? >> >> A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the >> problem >> before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From jkhagen at charter.net Wed May 16 08:05:43 2012 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube (Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 37) Message-ID: <7c3fe190.1d7cd7.13755f7f7ec.Webtop.49@charter.net> Sorry- That was dean at motorscope.net On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:43 PM, jkhagen at charter.net wrote: > Spitfire racers/street owners--Dean Johnson [e/f prod. national > champion] is selling all his Spitfire cars and parts--too many to > mention. > E-mail dean at motorscop.net John Hagen > > > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Joe Guinan wrote: > >> Bob, >> >> I probably have one in a spare 1500 block. Any idea of the correct >> length? >> Were there more than one lengths available? I'll check what I have >> and let >> you know - will have to be tomorrow though. If I have what you need, >> it's >> yours for the postage. Will just need an address. >> >> Joe Guinan >> Fremont, NE >> ---------------------------Original >> Message------------------------------------------ >> Message: 6 >> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:40 -0400 (EDT) >> From: robertten1 at aol.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube >> >> Amici Triumphi ! >> >> While working on building and installing the engine in my Spit, I >> realized I >> might if tossed the distance tube for the dipstick. This is the part >> that >> presses into the block on later Spit engines, mine being an early >> 1500. >> There >> is a part number for it ( 121831 ) and it is also used on the TR7 >> engines. >> I >> guess painting it yellow didn't stop me from loosing, tossing,it (?). >> >> So my question is there anyone out there that can help me acquire one >> of >> these, and I am willing to pay for it. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Bob T >> >> '64 Spit GT autocrosser >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From kaskas at cox.net Wed May 16 08:25:45 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 14:25:45 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Address help Message-ID: Can anyone please give me an E-mail address for Randy Williams who just won the Kastner Cup at Atlanta? Never be beaten by equipment From triosan at gmail.com Wed May 16 11:19:18 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Address help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kas, did a Google Search on Randy Williams TR3 and found this address: *Randy Williams" wrote: > Can anyone please give me an E-mail address for Randy Williams who just won > the Kastner Cup at Atlanta? > > Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From triosan at gmail.com Wed May 16 11:26:29 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:26:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pictures at the mitty Message-ID: Here is a link to photos of Randy at the 2012 Mitty: https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5743182556604024881 -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From BillDentin at aol.com Wed May 16 14:05:05 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... Message-ID: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger From kaskas at cox.net Wed May 16 15:04:03 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 21:04:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Addresses Message-ID: thanks to all who forwarded Randy's address to me. Never be beaten by equipment From gp89 at charter.net Wed May 16 15:22:37 2012 From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 17:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube (Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 37) Message-ID: <4c4977d6.14e7a0.1375787f67e.Webtop.48@charter.net> I lost one during a race along with a significant amount of oil. Tapped the hole after that and put in a pipe plug. Jeff Senty On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Joe Guinan wrote: > Bob, > > I probably have one in a spare 1500 block. Any idea of the correct > length? > Were there more than one lengths available? I'll check what I have > and let > you know - will have to be tomorrow though. If I have what you need, > it's > yours for the postage. Will just need an address. > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > ---------------------------Original > Message------------------------------------------ > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:40 -0400 (EDT) > From: robertten1 at aol.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube > > Amici Triumphi ! > > While working on building and installing the engine in my Spit, I > realized I > might if tossed the distance tube for the dipstick. This is the part > that > presses into the block on later Spit engines, mine being an early > 1500. > There > is a part number for it ( 121831 ) and it is also used on the TR7 > engines. > I > guess painting it yellow didn't stop me from loosing, tossing,it (?). > > So my question is there anyone out there that can help me acquire one > of > these, and I am willing to pay for it. > > Thanks in advance, > Bob T > > '64 Spit GT autocrosser > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gp89 at charter.net From SStarkweather at vbisd.org Wed May 16 17:06:12 2012 From: SStarkweather at vbisd.org (Scott Starkweather) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 19:06:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire References: <4FB3FAA3020000B60005D1CB@mail.vbisd.org> <4FB3FAA4020000B60005D1CE@mail.vbisd.org> Message-ID: <4FB3FAA4020000B60005D1CE@mail.vbisd.org> I'm a new member to this group, Thanks to Scott Barr, his dad Jerry and friend (who's name I can't remember- sorry) that I met a couple of weeks ago at Gingerman in South Haven Mi. at the Vintage races. I'm impressed at the knowledge of the members and their willingness to share and help each other out. I'm looking forward to learning as much as I can as I and a couple friends work on building our recently purchased spitfire. It's a 1975 w/ the 1500. I'm looking for any advice I can get in prepping the chassis and drivetrain for race. Scott Starkweather 1962 TR3b. 1975 Spitfire St. Joseph Mi. From sjanzen at me.com Wed May 16 17:16:06 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 19:16:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> 12.5 mpg - I wish. I have a 2010 Ford Expedition, great ride, nice vehicle, don't have to slow down on grades, but I'm lucky to get 9 mpg, usually 8-8.5, towing a 20' v-nose Worthington aluminum box trailer with my GT6. towing weight is probably about 5,500 lb. On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From clw2000 at msn.com Wed May 16 17:23:36 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 19:23:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: Funny, because I drove an empty Range Rover on a flat interstate and got about the same mpg! Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2012, at 6:49 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed May 16 17:33:10 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 18:33:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: Finally, a new interesting topic. do you have bronze guides in that baby... no don't go there. Yeah Bill I would say 12.5 is pretty good for that rig and tow. My Sprinter did great on gas on the way down there. However, not necessarily regrettable, I had my friend tow the race car down there with his big trailer (our home for the weekend with full electric, deluxe canopy set up, and other cool racer niceness). I felt rather good all weekend and was able to focus on learning the track and racing with all those killer fast Triumphs. Anyway, in comparison the big rig with trailer got only 8 or 9 mpg running unleaded. The Sprinter can go much longer on fuel and I spent (in dollars) about 25% of the money it cost me to fuel the V10 Magnum. I figure the Dodge Sprinter 5 Cly turbo Diesel got in the high 20's 27-29 MPG. Good on that but the TWO vehicle bill for Mitty journey was not kind to the FGR pocket book. But, Worth every penny! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM, wrote: I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed May 16 17:40:46 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 19:40:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <2CAEF254-4527-47CE-A749-3DA4D23BDF3F@gdhs.com> That's great mileage, but one must also consider say 3 nites at motels, 3 days of food & say .50 per mile in deprecation + having to pack and unload the car and all that stuff, wear & tear on the old body to boot; so, I don't want to sound out of hand, but John's Freightliner with all of the above included @ $1.50 per mile ain't all that bad either. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From gasket.works at gte.net Wed May 16 18:55:28 2012 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 00:55:28 +0000 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <1362937683-1337216131-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1835350276-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Volvo truck combined weight with trailer and two stacked tr4's. Is 43k lbs. Zero grade @ 55 is 15.5+mpg @1100rpm. . Avg however is 9.8mpg. @ 60 Mph @ 1200 rpm all grades. 150 gal fuel. About 6 gal/hwy hour. Motor is dual overhead cam cummins 6 cyl isx 15 liter 430 HP detuned from max 600 HP. about 1500 ft lbs torque w/ max about 2000ft lbs. Will do better than 55mph on southbound California grapevine grade @ 1.8mpg @ 35lbs boost. Will pin the spedo going up the baker grade to Vegas (85+). Engine weighs 3100lbs. Uses 56 quarts of oil. Bought this motor not so much for the get up and go power but the ability of the Jake brakes to slow the truck and trailer. It used to be a very very scary ride down the Calif. Grapevine before this. The best part is that NO trailer brakes needed even with trailer fully loaded @ 13k lbs. I used to have do the trailer brakes nearly twice a year. Now, have not needed trailer brakes in past 7 years. Parts available everywhere. Only cost twice as much as my wife's GMC 4500 top kick. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin at aol.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:05:05 To: Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed May 16 19:20:10 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 21:20:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: Not exactly apples to apples. On the tow to from the Mitty with my F-150 4X4 with a 5.4L gas engine, loaded to the hilt plus the 16 foot aluminum open trailer with the Spitfire on it we got 15.5 mpg. Didn't break a sweat on the hills. Marty > From: BillDentin at aol.com > Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:05:05 -0400 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From mlcooknj at msn.com Wed May 16 19:42:33 2012 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 21:42:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: Trouble on hills, eh? And what does the driver weigh? Mike Cook> From: BillDentin at aol.com > Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:05:05 -0400 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From chasgee at aol.com Wed May 16 20:49:17 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 22:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF01EEC921A881-12A0-9F9A@webmail-m026.sysops.aol.com> Finally, a new interesting topic. o you have bronze guides in that baby... no don't go there. Now that's funny, right there! Good for you Jason. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: BillDentin Cc: fot Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 7:28 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... Finally, a new interesting topic. o you have bronze guides in that baby... no don't go there. Yeah Bill I would say 12.5 is pretty good for that rig and tow. My Sprinter did great on gas on the way down there. owever, not necessarily regrettable, I had my friend tow the race car down here with his big trailer (our home for the weekend with full lectric, deluxe canopy set up, and other cool racer niceness). I felt ather good all weekend and was able to focus on learning the track and acing with all those killer fast Triumphs. nyway, in comparison the big rig with trailer got only 8 or 9 mpg running nleaded. he Sprinter can go much longer on fuel and I spent (in dollars) about 25% f the money it cost me to fuel the V10 Magnum. figure the Dodge Sprinter 5 Cly turbo Diesel got in the high 20's 27-29 PG. ood on that but the TWO vehicle bill for Mitty journey was not kind to the GR pocket book. ut, orth every penny! Jason Ostrowski riendly Ghost Racing n Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM, wrote: I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY rip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty ood. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger ______________________________________________ ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From sjanzen at me.com Wed May 16 20:53:59 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 22:53:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> Message-ID: <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> No trailer, but fairly loaded, the same vehicle gets 16 mpg at 75. Wind resistance of the box trailer is the killer. Open trailer doesn't have anywhere near the impact. On May 16, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: 12.5 mpg - I wish. I have a 2010 Ford Expedition, great ride, nice vehicle, don't have to slow down on grades, but I'm lucky to get 9 mpg, usually 8-8.5, towing a 20' v-nose Worthington aluminum box trailer with my GT6. towing weight is probably about 5,500 lb. On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From sgroh1 at comcast.net Wed May 16 20:56:26 2012 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 22:56:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> Message-ID: <43C4A135-E3F3-4164-A6FC-B4FC3EE3104B@comcast.net> 9.5 with a 7,000 pound V10 Excursion towing a 22 foot trailer with gear equalling 6,500 pounds Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > 12.5 mpg - I wish. I have a 2010 Ford Expedition, great ride, nice vehicle, don't have to slow down on grades, but I'm lucky to get 9 mpg, usually 8-8.5, towing a 20' v-nose Worthington aluminum box trailer with my GT6. towing weight is probably about 5,500 lb. > > On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1 at comcast.net From cwnfot at gmail.com Wed May 16 21:03:03 2012 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 23:03:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] eBay: Mystery Triumph GT6 or Spitfire Racing Gearbox Message-ID: <006701cd33d9$9469bd90$bd3d38b0$@com> NFI Interesting puzzle gearbox for Spitfire. Is it a close-ratio GT6 converted to Spitfire? http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150806989467 Item = 150806989467 Thinking back, I did get a tranny with OD from a clapped out Vitesse back in the 70s that bolted right in to my 1968 Mk3 Spitfire. Hmmmm. If I remember correctly. Or did I take the gearbox apart and build the OD into a Spitfire gear set? I think it was a 1500/1600cc 6 in that car. But this tranny has a KC number. http://club.triumph.org.uk/prefix1.htm#Vitesse Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed May 16 22:02:41 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 04:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <350743436.448177.1337227361838.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> bronze guides? That's really funny, Jason. Thanks for that one. The Sprinter sure sounds like a great tow vehicle. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Ostrowski" To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:33:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... Finally, a new interesting topic. do you have bronze guides in that baby... no don't go there. Yeah Bill I would say 12.5 is pretty good for that rig and tow. My Sprinter did great on gas on the way down there. However, not necessarily regrettable, I had my friend tow the race car down there with his big trailer (our home for the weekend with full electric, deluxe canopy set up, and other cool racer niceness). I felt rather good all weekend and was able to focus on learning the track and racing with all those killer fast Triumphs. Anyway, in comparison the big rig with trailer got only 8 or 9 mpg running unleaded. The Sprinter can go much longer on fuel and I spent (in dollars) about 25% of the money it cost me to fuel the V10 Magnum. I figure the Dodge Sprinter 5 Cly turbo Diesel got in the high 20's 27-29 MPG. Good on that but the TWO vehicle bill for Mitty journey was not kind to the FGR pocket book. But, Worth every penny! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM, wrote: I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From LimeyV8 at aol.com Wed May 16 22:37:40 2012 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (Jack Mc) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 00:37:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <2BA909C0-5803-4DB8-86D5-4174599A3A7F@aol.com> I get about 12mpg with my 2002 Chevy Avalanche loaded to the gills and towing a TR6 or TR8 on an open trailer I'd like my next tow vehicle to be a Dodge with the Cummins diesel engine - i hear great mileage stories from current owners of those Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu May 17 00:58:03 2012 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 23:58:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com><21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on wind direction and the grade. It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever the posted speed limit is. Joe C. From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Thu May 17 00:59:25 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 23:59:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3DF1@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Mordy's "toterhome" is the real deal, just like the big-boy fat-cat teams. Ours is somewhat more pedestrian. 36' Winnebago Journey diesel pusher coach, towing a custom 24' stacker trailer. Total weight around 36,000#. Caterpillar 330hp (7.2 liter) six, Allison six speed. I never precisely calculate mileage, because I really don't care, but I do fill it up when it gets low. I guesstimate it's getting about 10 mpg on the flats towing our small 16' enclosed trailer. About 8.5 towing the stacker loaded with Spitfire, GT6 & my wife's Formula V car, plus scooter, tools, tires, fuel, etc... Out west here, we've got to climb some pretty big hills just to get out of town, as Mordy alluded to. Going up Grapevine northbound (I-5), I get down to about 50 minimum. Grapevine south, it slows to about 38 for the initial segment. My coach only puts out 900 lb ft, versus Mordy's 1500, and thus he can blow by up any hill I'm crawling up. Towing is all about TORQUE, and Mordy's rig is king. On the other hand, my CAT only needs 21 quarts for an oil change! Alternately, my wife frequently tows her Formula V with her Cadillac SRX. Gets a lot of looks, and about 15 mpg on the freeway. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu May 17 06:39:30 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 07:39:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <1B41D235-2C3D-46CA-9B12-ABE2167EEB95@austin.rr.com> I towed two TR4's in a 28 foot enclosed trailer (10,000 lbs) behind my GMC 2500 HD 6.0 gas truck. The mileage was something like 8.5 mpg. I feel a little better about that now, especially because Bob Blake paid the gas on the way back. It's like I got 17 mpg. Not a bad deal. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2012, at 3:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Thu May 17 06:40:32 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 08:40:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... Message-ID: Amici, Once again, I'll make the offer to anyone desiring a new tow vehicle, as a Ford guy, I can get you X plan on any new Ford or Lincoln. One of the members of this list bought a Mustang on X plan and saved enough to buy a GT instead of a V6. I haven't towed with my F150 yet, but I got 20.4 on the 2700 mile round trip to Sebring. I saw 22.7 on one leg. Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu May 17 07:06:22 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 09:06:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was using my "new" mini motorhome for the first time going to this event. For years I've been towing my open 3500LB trailer with a 1985 35 foot Class A (16,000 Lbs) motorhome with a 454 (gas) engine. No matter where I went with it, if I kept it under 70, I'd get 5.5 -6 MPG. After doing some rough guesses on the amount of gas to get to the Mitty and back to NY, I started looking for a smaller rig. I eventually found a 96 Chevy 1 ton van based Class B motorhome. It has a fuel injected 350 gas engine, 29K miles and everything inside with the exception of a shower that the old behemoth had, just on a smaller scale (17' vs 35'). Since it was the first trip in it, I was checking milage just about every stop on the way down (Up and down hill almost all the way there). I got a worst of 8 MPG in PA and a best of almost 13 when we got closer to GA. Over all on the trip it came out to just under 10 MPG, so I "saved" almost $600 with the new rig. My 1st run in the thing, a 2 hour trip home, when I bought it last month, nothing in tow, at 65-70 MPH, averaged ~20 MPG so I think it's a keeper. I'll lay off the twinkies (does Light beer weigh less too?) and see what stuff I don't really need in the trailer , and maybe get it up to 12 MPG for my local events (with fewer hills) at Limerock, Watkins Glen, NJMP and Pocono. 63 Spitfire #7 G. Michael Harmuth From horizonracing at msn.com Thu May 17 08:22:50 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 07:22:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <2BA909C0-5803-4DB8-86D5-4174599A3A7F@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com>, <2BA909C0-5803-4DB8-86D5-4174599A3A7F@aol.com> Message-ID: Our trip to the Mitty From Seattle (2777miles each way) in our "new" 2001 Frieghtliner semi. Gross weight of 57K for this trip. With a head wind at 70mph was 5.2 and with a tail wind was 7.0 ! The best part is you only need to change down from 10th to 9th for 98% of the hills at 45-55 mph. Comparied to the F650 we had (POS) that thing could only do 25-35mph over the hills. YES, I run Bronze guides..LOL Tony G. > From: LimeyV8 at aol.com > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 00:37:40 -0400 > To: BillDentin at aol.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > I get about 12mpg with my 2002 Chevy Avalanche loaded to the gills and towing > a TR6 or TR8 on an open trailer > > I'd like my next tow vehicle to be a Dodge with the Cummins diesel engine - i > hear great mileage stories from current owners of those > > Cheers, > Jack Mc > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > > Amici... > > > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's > the > > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the > other. > > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's > chairs > > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of > those grades > > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > > good. What do others experience? > > > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu May 17 08:37:58 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 10:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi, My rig is a '99 Chevy Express one-ton cargo van. The motor is a 5.7 liter chevy V8 with the HD tranny (700R6, I think). My normal trailer is a 20 foot enclosed Pace American rallye. With the car and "stuff", the gross trailer weight is in the 6500 pound range. I get between 9 and 10 MPG with the enclosed trailer. With an open trailer, I get more like 13. I only have one data point for that setup, but it was a 3500 mile round trip tow, so it should be valid. With the enclosed trailer, if I get a run on the big hills, I can stay above 50 MPH easily. Once in a while I get boxed in on a hill approach and then I might drop to below 50 before the hill crests, but that's only because when the tranny steps down to the lower gear, I get out of the gas so I don't try to pull a long distance in the lower gear. This truck has about 140K miles on it, so it's not a spring chicken. The 5.7 liter Chevy motor that was in the Express Vans from the mid-90's to the early 2000 range were rated at 225 HP and I believe that number. My older truck ('84 G10) had similar miles on it, but the motor was rated at 150-ish HP. The difference is amazing. That thing downshifted pulling out of my driveway. It was HORRIBLE. OTOH, it was close to a junkyard truck when I bought it and I put a lot of miles on it over the 5 or 6 years I had it... so, it was "tired", to say the least. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bownes at seiri.com Thu May 17 08:51:05 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 10:51:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a 1500 to see how well it holds up. I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck > open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and > tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on > wind direction and the grade. > > It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to > Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever the > posted speed limit is. > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From bkahler1 at gmail.com Thu May 17 09:47:05 2012 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 11:47:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Transmission input shaft turning and spline cutting Message-ID: Amici, I need to have a couple of TR7 4-speed transmission input shafts shortened and new splines cut. If you know of a good machinist that can do this I would like contact information if possible. Thanks! Brad From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 17 10:12:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 12:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF025F0C840659-23FC-1310E@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> 1999 Class B Ford motorhome chassis TRITON V8 Open Trailer with Ambro = 3500# 13 mpg @ 60 mph Motor Home offsets a lot of the motel costs on any given trip, but maintenance, depreciation, etc still makes it a lifestyle choice. Sure is nice having at the track, though. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: George Harmuth To: fot Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 10:49 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing I was using my "new" mini motorhome for the first time going to this event. For years I've been towing my open 3500LB trailer with a 1985 35 foot Class A (16,000 Lbs) motorhome with a 454 (gas) engine. No matter where I went with it, if I kept it under 70, I'd get 5.5 -6 MPG. After doing some rough guesses on the amount of gas to get to the Mitty and back to NY, I started looking for a smaller rig. I eventually found a 96 Chevy 1 ton van based Class B motorhome. It has a fuel injected 350 gas engine, 29K miles and everything inside with the exception of a shower that the old behemoth had, just on a smaller scale (17' vs 35'). Since it was the first trip in it, I was checking milage just about every stop on the way down (Up and down hill almost all the way there). I got a worst of 8 MPG in PA and a best of almost 13 when we got closer to GA. Over all on the trip it came out to just under 10 MPG, so I "saved" almost $600 with the new rig. My 1st run in the thing, a 2 hour trip home, when I bought it last month, nothing in tow, at 65-70 MPH, averaged ~20 MPG so I think it's a keeper. I'll lay off the twinkies (does Light beer weigh less too?) and see what stuff I don't really need in the trailer , and maybe get it up to 12 MPG for my local events (with fewer hills) at Limerock, Watkins Glen, NJMP and Pocono. 63 Spitfire #7 G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu May 17 12:16:39 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 14:16:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com>, <2BA909C0-5803-4DB8-86D5-4174599A3A7F@aol.com> Message-ID: <398535745C644952851C4E0B31DF40CE@gdhs.local> Long Live Freightliners, another great product of the Charlotte area....(especially ones with bronze guides) John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony and Annie Garmey Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:23 AM To: limeyv8 at aol.com; billdentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... Our trip to the Mitty From Seattle (2777miles each way) in our "new" 2001 Frieghtliner semi. Gross weight of 57K for this trip. With a head wind at 70mph was 5.2 and with a tail wind was 7.0 ! The best part is you only need to change down from 10th to 9th for 98% of the hills at 45-55 mph. Comparied to the F650 we had (POS) that thing could only do 25-35mph over the hills. YES, I run Bronze guides..LOL Tony G. > From: LimeyV8 at aol.com > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 00:37:40 -0400 > To: BillDentin at aol.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > I get about 12mpg with my 2002 Chevy Avalanche loaded to the gills and towing > a TR6 or TR8 on an open trailer > > I'd like my next tow vehicle to be a Dodge with the Cummins diesel > engine - i > hear great mileage stories from current owners of those > > Cheers, > Jack Mc > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > > Amici... > > > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow > > with a > > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle > > (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's > the > > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I > > highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and > > shelves on the > other. > > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds > > of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two > > captain's > chairs > > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on > > some of > those grades > > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded > > with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer > > tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile > > MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought > > that was pretty > > good. What do others experience? > > > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Thu May 17 13:18:43 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 14:18:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <1B41D235-2C3D-46CA-9B12-ABE2167EEB95@austin.rr.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <1B41D235-2C3D-46CA-9B12-ABE2167EEB95@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: My Tundra gets around 11 mpg when hauling our 7x14 enclosed trailer and perhaps 15 or 16 when towing the aluminum single-axle flatbed with the Morgan on it (I'll check again this weekend). The Vixen 21td motorhome, which usually got 23-25 mpg with its BMW turbodiesel engine, dropped to around 18 mpg pulling the aluminum trailer and race car but it was very tiring having to monitor the EGT gauge so closely to keep from burning up the engine due to the extra load, so I won't be trying that again. Sprinters have been on my radar for some time now and I may end up with one, particularly if I find one that has a simple weekender camping package. Duncan From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu May 17 16:07:45 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 17:07:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of > the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the > 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > 1500 to see how well it holds up. > > I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >> wind direction and the grade. >> >> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever the >> posted speed limit is. >> >> Joe C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Thu May 17 16:36:29 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 23:36:29 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing In-Reply-To: <8CF025F0C840659-23FC-1310E@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF025F0C840659-23FC-1310E@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Jeez You guys and juice ! When im trailering 'Beastie' im getting 40 mpg average with my diesel BMW 530 msport estate and my lightweight streamlined covered Trailer at 70 mph .... I can't afford to truck at your prices ! Beastie does 10 mpg so I'd rather drive and sleep in the hedges with the wildlife ! Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 17 May 2012, at 17:12, Joe Alexander wrote: > 1999 Class B Ford motorhome chassis TRITON V8 > > Open Trailer with Ambro = 3500# > > 13 mpg @ 60 mph > > Motor Home offsets a lot of the motel costs on any given trip, but > maintenance, depreciation, etc still makes it a lifestyle choice. Sure is nice > having at the track, though. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: George Harmuth > To: fot > Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 10:49 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing > > > I was using my "new" mini motorhome for the first time going to this event. > For years I've been towing my open 3500LB trailer with a 1985 35 foot Class > A (16,000 Lbs) motorhome with a 454 (gas) engine. No matter where I went > with it, if I kept it under 70, I'd get 5.5 -6 MPG. After doing some rough > guesses on the amount of gas to get to the Mitty and back to NY, I started > looking for a smaller rig. > > I eventually found a 96 Chevy 1 ton van based Class B motorhome. It has a > fuel injected 350 gas engine, 29K miles and everything inside with the > exception of a shower that the old behemoth had, just on a smaller scale > (17' vs 35'). Since it was the first trip in it, I was checking milage just > about every stop on the way down (Up and down hill almost all the way > there). I got a worst of 8 MPG in PA and a best of almost 13 when we got > closer to GA. Over all on the trip it came out to just under 10 MPG, so I > "saved" almost $600 with the new rig. My 1st run in the thing, a 2 hour > trip home, when I bought it last month, nothing in tow, at 65-70 MPH, > averaged ~20 MPG so I think it's a keeper. I'll lay off the twinkies (does > Light beer weigh less too?) and see what stuff I don't really need in the > trailer , and maybe get it up to 12 MPG for my local events (with fewer > hills) at Limerock, Watkins Glen, NJMP and Pocono. > > 63 Spitfire #7 > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From rjl at gt-classics.com Thu May 17 20:17:01 2012 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 22:17:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: <4FB5B11D.7020006@gt-classics.com> My 2005 Dodge Ram (5.7 Hemi) gets about 10 - 11 mpg pulling the 20 foot Horton hauler enclosed trailer with workbench, lots of tools, and a Formula Ford plus camping gear. It has no problem maintaining speed up any of the hills around here, but maybe that's because I hid my light bar behind the grill - trying to be slightly subtle about it. :-) John On 5/17/2012 10:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of > the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the > 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > 1500 to see how well it holds up. > > I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > > >> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >> wind direction and the grade. >> >> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever the >> posted speed limit is. >> >> Joe C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com > > > > > -- Thanks, R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Thu May 17 20:59:51 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 20:59:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and all hills. Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze guides. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount > of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >> >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >> >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >>> wind direction and the grade. >>> >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > the >>> posted speed limit is. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From jsnook at wcnet.org Fri May 18 06:47:38 2012 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 08:47:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Water Temp Gauge F-U Message-ID: <007901cd34f4$687dec80$3979c580$@org> Thanks for all the leads to help with my broken water temp gauge. Sounds like there are a number of sources to rebuild them. I have a lead on a working used one, and if not, we've contacted MoMa who will rebuild ours and can turn it around in a day or so. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 (Mobile) From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri May 18 07:21:12 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 09:21:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com><21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com><6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: 10-4 on the bar! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:00 PM To: Bob Kramer Cc: robert bownes; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and all hills. Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze guides. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount > of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old > 1500 with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much >> regardless of >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It >> slows down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, >> both with the >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at >> them cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension >> under a 1500 to see how well it holds up. >> >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs >> at least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >> >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double >>> deck open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of >>> gear and tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, >>> depending entirely on wind direction and the grade. >>> >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain >>> to Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at >>> whatever > the >>> posted speed limit is. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From cofrog at q.com Fri May 18 08:11:26 2012 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1204628380.2097610.1337350286619.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Ty, Great about the bar. I can drink your booze out of bronze guides? ----- Original Message ----- From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com To: "Bob Kramer" Cc: "robert bownes" , "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:59:51 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and all hills. Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze guides. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount > of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >> >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >> >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >>> wind direction and the grade. >>> >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > the >>> posted speed limit is. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From starr001 at umn.edu Fri May 18 08:25:00 2012 From: starr001 at umn.edu (Patrick Starr) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 09:25:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Towing MPG Message-ID: <97A5CEFE-523D-4433-A4B0-9315BDC0E049@umn.edu> >From the light weight end of tow vehicle spectrum, we use a 2004 Toyota Sienna Van towing the 1958 Morgan +4 on a single axle trailer, and averaged 19 mpg from Minneapolis to Road Atlanta and back. The Morgan and trailer weigh about 2900 lb., and speed goes down up the steep hills. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri May 18 08:25:08 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 07:25:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing In-Reply-To: <8CF025F0C840659-23FC-1310E@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF025F0C840659-23FC-1310E@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4FB65BC4.4070900@comcast.net> 2004 Winnebago Class A motorhome with the 8.1 liter Chevy gas engine. Trailer is a 20 ft. enclosed Pace for the Spitfire. Combined weight is around 21k lbs. I drive around 60 on the freeways. Average 9.3 when not towing, 8.3 when flat towing my Subaru Forester and 7.3 when towing the Pace. Except in North Dakota where you are fighting a head wind no matter which way you're going and then the mileage hovers between 5-6. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri May 18 10:26:08 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:26:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed In-Reply-To: <1660579348.10639.1337357753132.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <320386104.11096.1337358368466.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Does anyone know a source in the US for Superlite brand of wheels. ( just like the panasports ). I sent an inquiry to the manufacturer in the UK with no response and Viki-Brit shows a wheel that looks exactly like the superlite but they couldn't tell me who manufactures them. Thanks for any feedback, jim g. From kaskas at cox.net Fri May 18 11:23:13 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:23:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <1204628380.2097610.1337350286619.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: , <1204628380.2097610.1337350286619.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: I found that if I draft upbehind one of these car trailers at speed I can empty the trash and have it sucked right into their air vent while getting my 26.7 MPG. Enough? Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:11:26 -0400 > From: cofrog at q.com > To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > CC: bownes at seiri.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Ty, > > Great about the bar. I can drink your booze out of bronze guides? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > To: "Bob Kramer" > Cc: "robert bownes" , "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:59:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and all > hills. Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze guides. > > Ty > > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > > On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair > amount > > of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > > with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > > > >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless > of > >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with > the > >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. > >> > >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> > >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck > >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and > >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on > >>> wind direction and the grade. > >>> > >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to > >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > > the > >>> posted speed limit is. > >>> > >>> Joe C. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From chasgee at aol.com Fri May 18 15:18:28 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com><21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com><6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD with the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and all my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its own. I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer To: robert bownes Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a 1500 to see how well it holds up. I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck > open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and > tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on > wind direction and the grade. > > It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to > Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever he > posted speed limit is. > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri May 18 15:39:40 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 21:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2006030401.22990.1337377180229.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> They do look very much the same but I have six of the superlites with charcoal colored centers. VTO doesn't offer the color. I'm trying to put together two full sets r ain & dry's with spares. If I have to I could get the VTO's powdercoated to match. I'm still hoping to find some NOS superlites. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 3:03:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed www.vtoperformance.com they used to be superlite and now they are VTO performance. No idea why. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 18 May 2012 toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Does anyone know a source in the US for Superlite brand of wheels. ( just like the panasports ). > > I sent an inquiry to the manufacturer in the UK with no response and Viki-Brit shows a wheel > > that looks exactly like the superlite but they couldn't tell me who manufactures them. > > > > Thanks for any feedback, > > jim g. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang at isis.mit.edu From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri May 18 15:45:28 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 21:45:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1001325525.23172.1337377528654.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> It's funny you say that Kas, I drafted a semi in a head wind for 60 miles on the way back from Hastings last fall andB I could reduce throttle B enough to get me out of the secondaries. My little Winnie has the aero coeffi ciant of a cinder block. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: cofrog at q.com, tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Cc: bownes at seiri.com, "fot" Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:23:13 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... I found that if I draft upbehind one of these car trailers at speed I can empty the trash and have it sucked right into their air vent while getting my 26.7 MPG. Enough? Never be beaten by equipment B > Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:11:26 -0400 > From: cofrog at q.com > To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > CC: bownes at seiri.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Ty, > > Great about the bar. B I can drink your booze out of bronze guides? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > To: "Bob Kramer" > Cc: "robert bownes" , "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:59:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. B 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and all > hills. B Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze guides. > > Ty > > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > > On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair > amount > > of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > > with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > > > >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless > of > >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with > the > >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. > >> > >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> > >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck > >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and > >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on > >>> wind direction and the grade. > >>> > >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to > >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > > the > >>> posted speed limit is. > >>> > >>> Joe C. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri May 18 15:59:03 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:59:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <1204628380.2097610.1337350286619.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <04199901-B018-4688-A202-979389A28CBD@gdhs.com> Well, if we really raced our cars like a good number of those in the 50's did, we would drive the car to the track & home after the race and all would get mileage in the 20's......... Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2012, at 1:23 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > I found that if I draft upbehind one of these car trailers at speed I can > empty the trash and have it sucked right into their air vent while getting my > 26.7 MPG. Enough? > > Never be beaten by equipment >> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:11:26 -0400 >> From: cofrog at q.com >> To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com >> CC: bownes at seiri.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... >> >> Ty, >> >> Great about the bar. I can drink your booze out of bronze guides? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com >> To: "Bob Kramer" >> Cc: "robert bownes" , "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" > >> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:59:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... >> >> 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and > all >> hills. Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze > guides. >> >> Ty >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> (Please excuse any errors or typos) >> >> On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: >> >>> My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair >> amount >>> of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old > 1500 >>> with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: >>> >>>> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >>>> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless >> of >>>> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >>>> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with >> the >>>> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at > them >>>> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >>>> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >>>> >>>> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >>>> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >>>> >>>>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double > deck >>>>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear > and >>>>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely > on >>>>> wind direction and the grade. >>>>> >>>>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>>>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever >>> the >>>>> posted speed limit is. >>>>> >>>>> Joe C. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri May 18 17:38:28 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:38:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed In-Reply-To: <320386104.11096.1337358368466.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <320386104.11096.1337358368466.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Jim - The US distributor is in Arizona somewhere. They are selling on Ebay often. On May 18, 2012, at 11:26 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Does anyone know a source in the US for Superlite brand of wheels. ( just like the panasports ). > > I sent an inquiry to the manufacturer in the UK with no response and Viki-Brit shows a wheel > > that looks exactly like the superlite but they couldn't tell me who manufactures them. > > > > Thanks for any feedback, > > jim g. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri May 18 17:43:02 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:43:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Do you tow in overdrive? I get 9mpg with my 97 Tahoe pulling an enclosed trailer - in third gear. D On May 18, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: > Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD with > the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. > > I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and all > my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its own. > > I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer > To: robert bownes > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount > f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > Sent from my iPhone > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of > the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the > 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > 1500 to see how well it holds up. > > I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >> wind direction and the grade. >> >> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > he >> posted speed limit is. >> >> Joe C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From chasgee at aol.com Fri May 18 17:44:23 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:44:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <61F8E2EF-9EB6-4109-9283-0CC6A334C32F@aol.com> Yes. On May 18, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Dennis Delap wrote: > Do you tow in overdrive? > I get 9mpg with my 97 Tahoe pulling an enclosed trailer - in third gear. > D > > On May 18, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: > >> Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD with >> the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. >> >> I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and all >> my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its own. >> >> I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob Kramer >> To: robert bownes >> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >> Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... >> >> >> My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount >> f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 >> ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. >> Sent from my iPhone >> On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: >>> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >> >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >> >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >>> wind direction and the grade. >>> >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever >> he >>> posted speed limit is. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> ______________________________________________ >> ot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >> nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri May 18 17:53:11 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:53:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <61F8E2EF-9EB6-4109-9283-0CC6A334C32F@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> <61F8E2EF-9EB6-4109-9283-0CC6A334C32F@aol.com> Message-ID: Oh - and by the way - I use steel valve guides. On May 18, 2012, at 6:44 PM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > Yes. > > On May 18, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Dennis Delap wrote: > >> Do you tow in overdrive? >> I get 9mpg with my 97 Tahoe pulling an enclosed trailer - in third gear. >> D >> >> On May 18, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: >> >>> Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD with >>> the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. >>> >>> I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and all >>> my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its own. >>> >>> I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Bob Kramer >>> To: robert bownes >>> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >>> Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... >>> >>> >>> My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount >>> f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 >>> ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: >>>> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >>> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of >>> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >>> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the >>> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them >>> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >>> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >>> >>> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >>> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >>> >>>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >>>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >>>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >>>> wind direction and the grade. >>>> >>>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever >>> he >>>> posted speed limit is. >>>> >>>> Joe C. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >>> ______________________________________________ >>> ot at autox.team.net >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Fri May 18 18:25:48 2012 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed In-Reply-To: <320386104.11096.1337358368466.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1337387148.92869.YahooMailClassic@web111413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Try . Or Phone 866-855-3473 at 6500 E. 6th St., Prescott, AZ 86314. NFI Ken Suhre --- On Fri, 5/18/12, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Subject: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed To: "fot" Date: Friday, May 18, 2012, 11:26 AM Does anyone know a source in the US for Superlite brand of wheels. ( just like the panasports ). I sent an inquiry to the manufacturer in the UK with no response and Viki-Brit shows a wheel that looks exactly like the superlite but they couldn't tell me who manufactures them. Thanks for any feedback, jim g. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com From kaskas at cox.net Fri May 18 19:33:03 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 01:33:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com><21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com><6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com>, , <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: As my friend in Texas tells me "them there cast iron valve guides will get it done.". No dogs or fish or beer required. Never be beaten by equipment > To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com; bownes at seiri.com > From: chasgee at aol.com > Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:18:28 -0400 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD with > the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. > > I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and all > my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its own. > > I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer > To: robert bownes > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount > f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > Sent from my iPhone > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > > My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of > the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the > 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > 1500 to see how well it holds up. > > I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > > > 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck > > open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and > > tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on > > wind direction and the grade. > > > > It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to > > Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > he > > posted speed limit is. > > > > Joe C. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From mark at bradakis.com Fri May 18 21:21:25 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 21:21:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spit Spring tool, forums back! Message-ID: <4FB711B5.7070209@bradakis.com> Spent some time working on the forums. Basic functionality is back. You can look at them, log in and post. Not yet sure if new registrations work, I'll test that soon. The incentive for getting this done was pretty selfish. I wanted to tell folks about an incident yesterday at work: http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=129 One minor nit is that for some reason this post doesn't show up when you click on 'View active topics' but it does show up when you click on 'View new posts' Oh well, I'm sure other problems will crop up as folks make use of it. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri May 18 21:45:11 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 03:45:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... Message-ID: No conversion at the track but I needed 10.3L/100km to Zandvoort race track with a BMW X3 2.5i. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri May 18 22:01:20 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 23:01:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed In-Reply-To: <2006030401.22990.1337377180229.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2006030401.22990.1337377180229.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <622804F1-28A2-4327-B9BC-E0FAF4240178@austin.rr.com> I too bought 6 charcoal Superlites wheels from the former Pack Racing Wheels, and when I went back for 2 more it was then VTOL. I was able to special order two charcoal wheels from them. Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2012, at 4:39 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > They do look very much the same but I have six of the superlites with > > charcoal colored centers. VTO doesn't offer the color. > > I'm trying to put together two full sets r ain & dry's with spares. > > If I have to I could get the VTO's powdercoated to match. > > I'm still hoping to find some NOS superlites. > > jg > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 3:03:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed > > > > www.vtoperformance.com > > > they used to be superlite and now they are VTO performance. > > No idea why. > > rml > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for > rent > Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | > Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: > 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Fri, 18 May 2012 toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > >> Does anyone know a source in the US for Superlite brand of wheels. ( just > like the panasports ). >> >> I sent an inquiry to the manufacturer in the UK with no response and > Viki-Brit shows a wheel >> >> that looks exactly like the superlite but they couldn't tell me who > manufactures them. >> >> >> >> Thanks for any feedback, >> >> jim g. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang at isis.mit.edu > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat May 19 08:31:59 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 10:31:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Thanks Message-ID: <01ab01cd35cc$26e56220$74b02660$@net> Joe, Yesterday afternoon at work, I blocked-out time for the dreariest of architectural tasks; writing Specifications. In my trade: no drawing = no fun. The day was resigned to professional atonement; a sort of business purgatory. But I made one mistake. I checked the mail first. In it was your package of rocker shaft do-dads.. and Kas's TRIUMPHS! I presume I don't need to tell you where the afternoon went from there. TRIUMPHS, I couldn't put down. What an incredible combination of high technology, auto lore, personalities and good ole-fashioned sound advice. Being terminally right brained, all the great photographs kept my nose right in it. And, of course, Kas's writing style makes you wonder why his mantra isn't "Never beaten by Elocution." The Mitty was terrific! You are living proof of how much extra work it takes to run an unstructured organization. Thanks from all us FOTers for all the (mostly invisible) work you do for our un-club. Clumsily paraphrased, "Seldom in the field of amateur competition, have so many owed so much to so few (specifically, you & Uncle Jack)." But especially, thank you for the package yesterday. You're a great friend, Richard Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sat May 19 10:04:47 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 17:04:47 +0100 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <02EA051A-A60F-4469-8995-41E646CA197C@virgin.net> My overdrive works on all 4 forward ! Sent from my iPhone On 19 May 2012, at 00:43, Dennis Delap wrote: > Do you tow in overdrive? > I get 9mpg with my 97 Tahoe pulling an enclosed trailer - in third gear. > D > > On May 18, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: > >> Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD > with >> the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. >> >> I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and > all >> my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its > own. >> >> I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob Kramer >> To: robert bownes >> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >> Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... >> >> >> My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair > amount >> f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 >> ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. >> Sent from my iPhone >> On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: >>> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >> >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >> >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >>> wind direction and the grade. >>> >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever >> he >>> posted speed limit is. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> ______________________________________________ >> ot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >> nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From stocktontr4 at gmail.com Sat May 19 16:27:48 2012 From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com (dick stockton) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 18:27:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2010 Watkins Glen in-car Message-ID: Here is video from my car at Watkins Glen battling with my old friend Bob Leitzinger and his Datsun 510. Keep an eye on the mirror. Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjLMkZLJoyA Dick From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat May 19 20:09:27 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 22:09:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2010 Watkins Glen in-car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C52FEB4-40F5-4C14-8300-507D03263408@gdhs.com> I was there and watched the race from Ceasar's cam. Good fun. Convinced me to jump in the Frey with a TR 3A the next year..... Sent from my iPhone On May 19, 2012, at 6:27 PM, dick stockton wrote: > Here is video from my car at Watkins Glen battling with my old friend Bob > Leitzinger and his Datsun 510. Keep an eye on the mirror. Enjoy. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjLMkZLJoyA > > Dick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From igofaster at att.net Sun May 20 08:14:55 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 07:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <1337523295.46447.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bill.... I was parked around the other side of your group with my GT6... I too have a van... 2005 Ford E250 with the 5.4 ltr Triton engine...(only 73000 miles) I only got about 9.5 mpg with my 18' enclosed trailer with the GT6 and all my gear in tow... I've had a van since high school... and hair... 40 something years, always a Ford Van.. The advantages of an enclosed vehicle, versus a pickup , even with a camper, far out weigh any other vehicle for me... my van has no windows except the front doors and windscreen... privacy is an advantage... coming back to Texas early I could not find a hotel in Louisiana in two different towns... so... I found a WalMart near the Interstate with some other motor homes in the lot... pulled over, threw down a couple of blankets and pillows in the back (and my Glock, jus sayin') and went beddie bye.... the Black Ops van looks cool too although I don't have the drag pipes you and tours were sportin' to wake up the kids!..... Bobby Whitehead Vans Rock! ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 5:48:56 PM Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From cartravel at pobox.com Sun May 20 09:05:30 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 10:05:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas Manual Message-ID: <4FB9083A.2030607@pobox.com> I've read some interesting comments about a Tuning Manual by Gareth Thomas. Are copies available somewhere? Has anyone read it? Is it worthwhile? Larry From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sun May 20 14:35:15 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 13:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <1337523295.46447.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <1337523295.46447.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1337546115.8395.YahooMailNeo@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I guess I'll chime in. We tow with a 2010 GMC 3500 conversion van with a 6L and 6 speed auto/manual and 3:42 diff. It is pretty heavy with the handicap ramp and equipment but gets 17 mpg hwy and 11 towing the pace 22 footer and no problem holding speeds running through mountains... Steel guides. Mike Munson ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... Bill.... I was parked around the other side of your group with my GT6... I too have a van... 2005 Ford E250 with the 5.4 ltr Triton engine...(only 73000 miles) I only got about 9.5 mpg with my 18' enclosed trailer with the GT6 and all my gear in tow... I've had a van since high school... and hair... 40 something years, always a Ford Van.. The advantages of an enclosed vehicle, versus a pickup , even with a camper, far out weigh any other vehicle for me... my van has no windows except the front doors and windscreen... privacy is an advantage... coming back to Texas early I could not find a hotel in Louisiana in two different towns... so... I found a WalMart near the Interstate with some other motor homes in the lot... pulled over, threw down a couple of blankets and pillows in the back (and my Glock, jus sayin') and went beddie bye.... the Black Ops van looks cool too although I don't have the drag pipes you and tours were sportin' to wake up the kids!..... Bobby Whitehead Vans Rock! ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 5:48:56 PM Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sun May 20 17:22:03 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 19:22:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <1337523295.46447.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <1337523295.46447.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Beleive me, after crossing the US 3times a year for 10 years with my 250cc MC road racer in a series of Ford vans with headers & glass packs, you don't want drag pipes! Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Bill.... I was parked around the other side of your group with my GT6... I too > have a van... 2005 Ford E250 with the 5.4 ltr Triton engine...(only 73000 miles) > I only got about 9.5 mpg with my 18' enclosed trailer with the GT6 and all my > gear in tow... I've had a van since high school... and hair... 40 something > years, always a Ford Van.. > The advantages of an enclosed vehicle, versus a pickup , even with a camper, far > out weigh any other vehicle for me... my van has no windows except the front > doors and windscreen... privacy is an advantage... coming back to Texas early I > could not find a hotel in Louisiana in two different towns... so... I found a > WalMart near the Interstate with some other motor homes in the lot... pulled > over, threw down a couple of blankets and pillows in the back (and my Glock, jus > sayin') and went beddie bye.... the Black Ops van looks cool too although I > don't have the drag pipes you and tours were sportin' to wake up the kids!..... > > Bobby Whitehead > Vans Rock! > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "BillDentin at aol.com" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 5:48:56 PM > Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those > grades > > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sun May 20 20:01:10 2012 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:01:10 +1000 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing. Message-ID: we tow with a 2007 Toyota Hilux 4 cyl diesel, we have a fully enclosed trailer with car & spares weighing 2000-2400kg depending on what car we have on board and what spares we load. we get 8.5 litres/100km unloaded mixed use (no trailer) and it drops to around 12litres/100km towing the trailer, so about 20MPG. cruises at 110kph on good highway, when towing. Terry O'Beirne Road and Track 66 Pine Mountain Road North Ipswich, 4305 Queensland, AUSTRALIA ph 07-32018866 fax 07-32017079 www.roadandtrack.net.au From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon May 21 00:09:34 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 23:09:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire air filters Message-ID: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> Any recommendations on air filters for a 1300 Spit with dual SU's? I've been running K&N's, but the backing plates have cracked severely after about 5 seasons of racing. I've been looking at the Longflo units sold by VB. Thanks in advance - Jim Norlin From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 21 00:53:21 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 00:53:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire air filters In-Reply-To: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FB9E661.5020008@bradakis.com> Too bad the archives aren't working properly, or I'd suggest you check out the recent K&N discussion on the Triumphs list. I've never been terribly impressed by anything Vicky Brit sells. Years back I knew TWM induction had various sizes of backing plates and filters for SU carbs, have no idea what they have now that they are Borla. mjb. From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net Mon May 21 08:33:28 2012 From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire air filters In-Reply-To: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, With velocity stacks not much room for a filter unless you are running the really short stacks, or no inner fenders. I'm using 1/4" wire screen wrapped around the lip of the horn to secure. Topped with air conditioner foam filter material (ace hardware) secured with aluminum tape. I'm sure it only keeps out the big particles, but better than open stacks. Photo attached. I run the shop vac over the foam between race weekends. Has worked fine for a couple years. Tim ________________________________ From: Jim Norlin To: FOT Sent: Mon, May 21, 2012 7:09:17 AM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire air filters Any recommendations on air filters for a 1300 Spit with dual SU's? I've been running K&N's, but the backing plates have cracked severely after about 5 seasons of racing. I've been looking at the Longflo units sold by VB. Thanks in advance - Jim Norlin _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/1964spitfire at pacbell.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_7518.JPG] From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon May 21 08:47:27 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 10:47:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Clutch not working after Winter storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not race related but definitely Triumph. This weekend we were getting my son's 72 MK4 Spit out of storage from the winter. The car was running fine before we parked it in a shed in November. Went through the usual check it out routine, started up OK. When he put it gear, luckily reverse, it jumped right in, clutch not disengaging. I poked around a bit I and while the clutch master cylinder was full, the fluid was black. I figured we lost a seal and since the master was of unknown age and condition we changed it and the slave (same reason). Bled the system well and confirmed the the actuator rod / Throw out bearing arm was moving (at least 1/2 inch looking around slave into bell housing) when he pressed the pedal. The clutch is still not disengaging. We jacked up the car and confirmed that it's staying engaged. Tried rocking the wheels back and forth, see is somehow the disk could be broken free but nothing. Guess I need to pull the tranny and take a look, but next few weekends are races, won't be home and I'd like my son to have use of his toy. If this is something I can fix externally I'd like to give it a try. Anyone have an idea what could seize up like this in 4 months of dry storage? The flywheel was surfaced last year after the engine rebuild, the throw out bearing, pressure plate and disk were changed then too, maybe 1000 miles since then. Rust on the tranny shaft, broken hinge side pin for throw out arm? thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth From tjwakeman at gmail.com Mon May 21 08:52:05 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:52:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire air filters In-Reply-To: <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> Have you thought about itg filters and short stacks? http://www.itgairfilters.com/raceair.asp itg makes filters specifically for Spits plus they have a variety of shapes & sizes. I have their dome shaped one on my TR3 with DCOEs. There is almost no space for a filter for the front venturi but the dome itg filter fits. Air conditioner filters & shop vac filters? At least check out their offerings for Spitfires. Unless of course your thing is to have vacuum cleaner filters on the intake of your carbs & "Mity Vac" written on the side ;) Teriann On 5/21/12 7:33 AM, Tim Pettenati wrote: > Jim, > > With velocity stacks not much room for a filter unless you are running > the > really short stacks, or no inner fenders. > > I'm using 1/4" wire screen > wrapped around the lip of the horn to secure. Topped > with air conditioner > foam filter material (ace hardware) secured with aluminum > tape. I'm sure it > only keeps out the big particles, but better than open > stacks. > > Photo > attached. > > I run the shop vac over the foam between race weekends. Has worked > fine for a > couple years. > > Tim From tjwakeman at gmail.com Mon May 21 09:04:49 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:04:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Clutch not working after Winter storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FBA5991.6050807@gmail.com> On 5/21/12 7:47 AM, George Harmuth wrote: > Not race related but definitely Triumph. This weekend we were getting my > son's 72 MK4 Spit out of storage from the winter. The car was running fine > before we parked it in a shed in November. Went through the usual check it > out routine, started up OK. When he put it gear, luckily reverse, it jumped > right in, clutch not disengaging. I poked around a bit I and while the > clutch master cylinder was full, the fluid was black. I figured we lost a > seal and since the master was of unknown age and condition we changed it > and the slave (same reason). Bled the system well and confirmed the the > actuator rod / Throw out bearing arm was moving (at least 1/2 inch looking > around slave into bell housing) when he pressed the pedal. The clutch is > still not disengaging. We jacked up the car and confirmed that it's staying > engaged. Tried rocking the wheels back and forth, see is somehow the disk > could be broken free but nothing. Black brake fluid & only a half inch of rod movement doesn't sound good but it could be a problem I saw in my old Ford tractor when it sat too long in moist weather. Sometimes the flywheel & clutch disc stick together when sitting unused for a few months. If you have the space start the car in gear and once it is going push in the clutch and hit the brakes hard. If it is a disc stuck to the flywheel one or two tries of this and the bond should break loose. Teriann From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 21 09:05:58 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 17:05:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brake bias.... In-Reply-To: <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301cd3763$3c9b8ed0$b5d2ac70$@com> Hi, I've found out what went wrong with the brakes. The sand of Zandvoort blocked my adjustment system for brake bias. I would have set the brakes 1 turn to the rear for a dry race. Because it was blocked it was set 3 turns to the rear making the rear end locked at the corner where I ended up. The car did first time lock the rear at Scheivlak corner but I didn't noticed it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCaWAKRZND0 Cheers Chris From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon May 21 09:20:59 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 11:20:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 51-air filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was using the VB filters on street and race car for years. The VB foam element, even with frequent cleaning, is fairly restrictive. When I was in a situation and I was close to another car I'd pull the elements and just run with the screens to keep the bigger bits out. Last year I switched to K&Ns with short APT billet velocity stacks inside. It was during a double race weekend in NJ. Saturday was run with the old VB foam cleaners and Sunday with the Kns. I was faster (qualified 3/4 second faster, confirmed with T&S) on Sunday and the response felt better. Day to day conditions were similar, hot and dry, but not identical. Overall I'm happy with the change but the design of the K&Ns make it harder pop the covers and work on the carbs. my 2 cents G. Michael Harmuth From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Mon May 21 09:35:32 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:35:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Clutch not working after Winter storage In-Reply-To: <4FBA5991.6050807@gmail.com> References: <4FBA5991.6050807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <145401cd3767$5c55d2e0$0601a8c0@randall> > If you have the space start the car in gear and once it is > going push in > the clutch and hit the brakes hard. Another approach is to just drive the car a bit with the pedal held down. Shut the engine off to switch between 1st & reverse. Last time I had a stuck clutch, I only made it to the end of the (short) driveway before it freed up. -- Randall From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon May 21 15:57:24 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 16:57:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Towing MPG In-Reply-To: <97A5CEFE-523D-4433-A4B0-9315BDC0E049@umn.edu> References: <97A5CEFE-523D-4433-A4B0-9315BDC0E049@umn.edu> Message-ID: <74B52C53-2541-4A19-82E4-240AFE0BFF2E@gmail.com> I checked the Tundra's mpg (5.7 liter gasoline) again pulling the '52 Plus 4 on an Aluma flatbed (single axle) this past weekend (CVAR races at Eagles Canyon). 17.5 mpg on the way up, 14.6 mpg on the way home (5 hours each way), 70 mph most of the way. Nice tailwind on the way up = bad headwind on the way home... :-( Trailer with car is under 2500 lbs. Duncan On May 18, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Patrick Starr wrote: > From the light weight end of tow vehicle spectrum, we use a 2004 Toyota Sienna > Van towing the 1958 > Morgan +4 on a single axle trailer, and averaged 19 mpg from Minneapolis to > Road Atlanta and back. > The Morgan and trailer weigh about 2900 lb., and speed goes down up the steep > hills. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon May 21 16:49:07 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 18:49:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Towing mpg Message-ID: Hi Gang. I tow with an '11 Dodge Ram 1500 pickup, with a cap on it. My trailer is a 20 foot Mission, all aluminum. Weighs about 2500 empty. I usually get 10+ towing. It's the 5.7 Hemi, and will tow about as fast as you care to go. It's also my daily driver and gets around 15 just driving around, and 20 on the highway with the cruise set at 73. The cap is nice; I put spares in it when going to a race and sleep in it if I'm just spectating somewhere. I did the Jefferson 500 over the weekend. A fair amount of Triumphs there, including Scott Jansen who did a great job with the GT6. Nice car. Peter Brock was the Grand Marshall and gave a great speech at the dinner Sat evening. He also autographed my dash; also got my picture taken with him. Nice fellow Cheers, Bill From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 21 17:13:55 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 19:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Towing MPG In-Reply-To: <74B52C53-2541-4A19-82E4-240AFE0BFF2E@gmail.com> References: <97A5CEFE-523D-4433-A4B0-9315BDC0E049@umn.edu> <74B52C53-2541-4A19-82E4-240AFE0BFF2E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CF05BE86ECEDCF-B4C-3D3C7@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Aluma TRAILER made in Iowa? I was going approach them about building to my spec. I ended up with trailer built to my spec locally. It ended up heavier than it needed to be. Aluminum single axle nice way to go. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: FOT Sent: Mon, May 21, 2012 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing MPG I checked the Tundra's mpg (5.7 liter gasoline) again pulling the '52 Plus 4 on an Aluma flatbed (single axle) this past weekend (CVAR races at Eagles Canyon). 17.5 mpg on the way up, 14.6 mpg on the way home (5 hours each way), 70 mph most of the way. Nice tailwind on the way up = bad headwind on the way home... :-( Trailer with car is under 2500 lbs. Duncan On May 18, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Patrick Starr wrote: > From the light weight end of tow vehicle spectrum, we use a 2004 Toyota Sienna > Van towing the 1958 > Morgan +4 on a single axle trailer, and averaged 19 mpg from Minneapolis to > Road Atlanta and back. > The Morgan and trailer weigh about 2900 lb., and speed goes down up the steep > hills. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon May 21 18:14:34 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 19:14:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Towing MPG References: <13346A15-0F15-4961-A80C-71F709E2677F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <67CCC2AA-8015-4BDC-9237-C9C045B4F613@gmail.com> Yes, that's them. There are two dealers I checked out, one in Baytown, TX and the other in New Braunfels, TX, closer and a bit less expensive. They sell a trailer with a 63" X 10' foot deck which weighs only 365 lbs including an attached full-width ramp (model 6310) -- but it's lightly built (with 13" wheels, front "bumper" is sheet aluminum stock) so I went with the heavy duty model at a larger size -- the 6812H (68" X 12' deck) with a folding full-width ramp. I has square aluminum tubing as a bumper bar along the front. Before I mounted the spare 14" wheel and bracket it weighed 510 lbs. It has a 3000 lb capacity axle under it and I can easily maneuver it around the yard by hand. I put about $2750 into it total. It's this model: http://tinyurl.com/cuqf7az I felt I needed to add some decent tie-downs so I drilled through the side rails near the back and added D-rings with the mounting bolts passing through some chrome moly tubing to avoid crushing the side rails, and then used a tow ring from some GM vehicle, mounted similarly through the front rail. I put a steel caribineer through this ring to hold a strap to the front of the car and the ratchet the rear corners to the D rings. I do have to jack up the front of the trailer and put some wedge chocks under the rear of the ramp to avoid dragging the underside of the car when loading. Duncan > > On May 21, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> Aluma TRAILER made in Iowa? >> >> I was going approach them about building to my spec. >> >> I ended up with trailer built to my spec locally. It ended up heavier than it needed to be. >> >> Aluminum single axle nice way to go. >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon May 21 19:50:05 2012 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 20:50:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: <000001cd37bd$35e52a10$a1af7e30$@rr.com> We got between 10 and 14 mpg in Alison's 2001 4x4 suburban towing the 18' dual axle trailer with the TR3. We just turned past 183,000 on this trip. About 4200# on the hook and another 1000# inside. When we were chasing the Bobs at 85mph, we were getting 10 mpg, when we were leading at 75, we were getting 14mpg. I always tow with trailer brakes but still I am constantly replacing rotors and pads on the front and rear. Chevy cheaped out on the brake package. Don't even get me started about the parking brake design. Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 5:08 PM To: robert bownes Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much > regardless of the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or > the FV. It slows down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest > complaint, both with the > 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at > them cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension > under a > 1500 to see how well it holds up. > > I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs > at least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double >> deck open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of >> gear and tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending >> entirely on wind direction and the grade. >> >> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain >> to Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at >> whatever the >> posted speed limit is. >> >> Joe C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/5014 - Release Date: 05/21/12 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon May 21 20:22:47 2012 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 21:22:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Pit Scooter Message-ID: <66904A44-FDE8-44BD-8E48-2B5C0FEAABBD@wi.rr.com> FoT, Anybody need a vintage 1966 Vespa as a pit vehicle? Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon May 21 21:40:45 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 20:40:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Wiring Message-ID: <4FBB0ABD.4050208@comcast.net> So, I'm in the process of rewiring the Spit. I mentioned this at the local Triumph club gathering the other nite and someone asked me how much of the wiring on the race car was still stock. I had to think for a moment, and then said - um - the tail lights. From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 21 22:43:13 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 22:43:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wiring In-Reply-To: <4FBB0ABD.4050208@comcast.net> References: <4FBB0ABD.4050208@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FBB1961.1040900@bradakis.com> One of the race Spits I purchased a while back [ The one in my facebook cover ] had an issue with the wiring. EVERY single wire on it was yellow. It didn't take long for me to rip it all out and redo it in color coded circuits. MUCH easier to track down gremlins. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 21 23:17:57 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 23:17:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire In-Reply-To: <4FB3FAA4020000B60005D1CE@mail.vbisd.org> References: <4FB3FAA3020000B60005D1CB@mail.vbisd.org> <4FB3FAA4020000B60005D1CE@mail.vbisd.org> <4FB3FAA4020000B60005D1CE@mail.vbisd.org> Message-ID: <4FBB2185.9090003@bradakis.com> Do you have Kastner's series of recent books? mjb. From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue May 22 00:25:00 2012 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 01:25:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wiring References: <4FBB0ABD.4050208@comcast.net> Message-ID: Heh, heh, not even the taillights here. Mine's wired up so I have four taillights, including what were the turn signals. Nice when one or two burn out so I still have a couple. Although last time that happened (none of the four would stay lit) we flogged inside the trunk seems like hours trying to make them work. I only got on the track by the grace of a grid chief and a pit steward who thought they saw a flash. The culprit turned out to be not in the trunk, but something that WAS still stock, the button under the brake pedal. So I bought a new one from Victoria British, cheap plastic thing (the original was in a sturdy metal case) that broke when the brake pedal slipped while trying to install it. A second one was installed, but when I stepped on the brake and let it snap back that one broke too. Got the third one to stay together but didn't trust it. It was someone on this list suggested a Honda unit, which I got -- aha, sturdy metal case -- and it's all worked fine ever since. Speaking of Vicky Brit, just had another encounter with them. Just put new GT6 corners on the car but the rebuilt brake calipers didn't come with pins to hold the brake pads in place (Ted S. found and sent me three but of course I need four; and I decided I wanted all four the right size when I bedded new pads), so I ordered up the set from VB. So what they send are Ford/Fiat parts, which would've worked except they were the wrong size -- 3/16" packaged under the part number that was correct for the 1/4" units I needed. And more, at the discounted price of $9.95 plus shipping of $7.75. Silly me to think the place closest to me (we're both in Kansas) would get them to me quick, but parts ordered online on Sunday that they should've seen Monday morning took 4 days to move 200 miles down I-70 to me, arriving Thursday by UPS. Reordered from the Roadster Factory last Friday. They arrived in Monday's mail, plain ole first class from Pennsylvania, the correct parts at a price of $5.99 and shipping of $4.25. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Norlin" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:40 PM Subject: [Fot] Wiring > So, I'm in the process of rewiring the Spit. I mentioned this at the > local Triumph club gathering the other nite and someone asked me how much > of the wiring on the race car was still stock. I had to think for a > moment, and then said - um - the tail lights. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From mark at bradakis.com Tue May 22 01:29:22 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 01:29:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wiring In-Reply-To: References: <4FBB0ABD.4050208@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FBB4052.30204@bradakis.com> Rocky Entriken wrote: > It was someone on this list suggested a Honda unit, which I got -- aha, sturdy metal case > -- and it's all worked fine ever since. Probably me. I remember after 15 years or so the switch went out on our '87 Civic Si. I removed the broken switch from the Honda, looked at it and hey, this looks familiar... Bought 2 at the dealer, kept on on the shelf until one of my Spits needed it. Kind of like the time I was working on the brakes of my old Datsun 720 pickup. Laid the old pads on the workbench, and there just happened to be some old TR4 pads there as well. That was about the time I started buying 240Z pads because *everybody* had those. mjb. From tr4.tony at virgin.net Tue May 22 01:53:55 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:53:55 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire air filters In-Reply-To: <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> Beware ITG filters with the big foam airboxes ... They catch fire ..... Sent from my iPhone On 21 May 2012, at 15:52, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" wrote: > Have you thought about itg filters and short stacks? > > http://www.itgairfilters.com/raceair.asp > > itg makes filters specifically for Spits plus they have a variety of shapes & sizes. > > I have their dome shaped one on my TR3 with DCOEs. There is almost no space for a filter for the front venturi but the dome itg filter fits. > > Air conditioner filters & shop vac filters? At least check out their offerings for Spitfires. Unless of course your thing is to have vacuum cleaner filters on the intake of your carbs & "Mity Vac" written on the side ;) > > Teriann > > On 5/21/12 7:33 AM, Tim Pettenati wrote: >> Jim, >> >> With velocity stacks not much room for a filter unless you are running >> the >> really short stacks, or no inner fenders. >> >> I'm using 1/4" wire screen >> wrapped around the lip of the horn to secure. Topped >> with air conditioner >> foam filter material (ace hardware) secured with aluminum >> tape. I'm sure it >> only keeps out the big particles, but better than open >> stacks. >> >> Photo >> attached. >> >> I run the shop vac over the foam between race weekends. Has worked >> fine for a >> couple years. >> >> Tim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 22 02:20:06 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:20:06 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort race 2 In-Reply-To: <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> Message-ID: <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> Hi guys, a little video from the weekend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voRy2ZfDhsY&feature=share Cheers Chris From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue May 22 07:20:22 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:20:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ECR race video In-Reply-To: <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> Message-ID: <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and British Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to be finished loading in another hour or so. This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down substantially. Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and the Kramers. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red From 4everglades at comcast.net Tue May 22 07:21:42 2012 From: 4everglades at comcast.net (4everglades at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 13:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid Message-ID: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 22 07:52:01 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:52:01 +0200 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <003e01cd3822$13313d50$3993b7f0$@com> The seals were never compatible with silicone. Maybe they might stand silicone but most manufacturer doesn't test it. Cheers Chris (Who runs ATE blue racing) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von 4everglades at comcast.net Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Mai 2012 15:22 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] silicone brake fluid I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 22 07:56:19 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:56:19 +0200 Subject: [Fot] ECR race video In-Reply-To: <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003f01cd3822$ad37a100$07a6e300$@com> Did you upload uncompressed stuff? Youtube is still converting. I use the MP4 format which runs very smooth on youtube. 30min race takes about 400 MB size. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Duncan Charlton Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Mai 2012 15:20 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] ECR race video Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and British Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to be finished loading in another hour or so. This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down substantially. Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and the Kramers. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Tue May 22 08:02:59 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:02:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> >From what I have seen nearly all of the new built cylinders will carry that warning. I think it's more of an insurance disclaimer since silicone is not DOT approved for use in street cars. I too have used it in my cars and setup many others with silicone and what I have found in the past couple of years is that the seals don't have a sharp enough edge to hold the silicone! As we know this stuff is very slippery and if the seal edge is just slightly rounded the silicone will seep by resulting in loss and a soft pedal. I remember in years gone by that the seals one could buy had rather sharp sealing edges and the seals today are definitely more rounded. It also seems that to buy seals alone from auto parts stores is a thing of the past and not many carry the old box of seals any longer. All you can do now is search for seals that will work. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 4everglades at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:22 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 22 08:11:20 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid....now oil pump. In-Reply-To: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <8CF063BE54D74B9-87C-29B94@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Steve Yott.....were you at the MITTY and we didnt see you? I think several of us now have your special machined oil pump in our cars. I assume they are still available? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Yott To: 4everglades <4everglades at comcast.net>; 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:03 am Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone brake fluid >From what I have seen nearly all of the new built cylinders will carry that warning. I think it's more of an insurance disclaimer since silicone is not DOT approved for use in street cars. I too have used it in my cars and setup many others with silicone and what I have found in the past couple of years is that the seals don't have a sharp enough edge to hold the silicone! As we know this stuff is very slippery and if the seal edge is just slightly rounded the silicone will seep by resulting in loss and a soft pedal. I remember in years gone by that the seals one could buy had rather sharp sealing edges and the seals today are definitely more rounded. It also seems that to buy seals alone from auto parts stores is a thing of the past and not many carry the old box of seals any longer. All you can do now is search for seals that will work. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 4everglades at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:22 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Tue May 22 08:27:09 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 07:27:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <4FBBA23D.6010108@gmail.com> On 5/22/12 7:02 AM, Steve Yott wrote: > > From what I have seen nearly all of the new built cylinders will carry that > warning. I think it's more of an insurance disclaimer since silicone is not > DOT approved for use in street cars. DOT 5 brake fluid sold in all my local auto parts stores is not approved for use in cars? I had no idea. Teriann DOT 5 Silicone in the TR3 since about 1990. From tr4.tony at virgin.net Tue May 22 08:09:41 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:09:41 +0100 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <015C7588-9305-438D-8E4E-5BD991001CD3@virgin.net> I use Castrol SRF for both brake and clutch and have had a few issues with slave cylinders where the seals are quite square in the bores. Apart from that only a slight seepage that's hardly noticeable and definately no failures so it appears to be the answer. Sent from my iPhone On 22 May 2012, at 14:21, 4everglades at comcast.net wrote: > I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue May 22 09:08:13 2012 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:08:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <015C7588-9305-438D-8E4E-5BD991001CD3@virgin.net> References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, <015C7588-9305-438D-8E4E-5BD991001CD3@virgin.net> Message-ID: I raced my TR3 with the original calipers with Silicone Brake fluid one time. The Brakes on the 3 got real hot on a good day. The silicone was vaporizing to where most corners were "two pumpers" I didn't brake on the cool down lap and came up behind the line of cars pulling into the pits and I was in a panic as I had no brakes, it took about 10 pumps and I did manage to stop without having to scrub off speed on anyone's car. I changed to something else, now my favorite is Valvoline synthetic. Compare the Boiling point numbers between Silicone and anything else, Silicone is quite low. The Army uses silicone in their trucks so that all those sitting in Germany have brakes when the Rusky's attack. Silicone doesn't absorb water so it lasts a long time. I use silicone in my Healey cause when I spill it it doesn't screw up the paint and I don't drive it hard. and that's all I have to say about that. Cheers Henry Morrison From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Tue May 22 09:53:47 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:53:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <15f401cd3833$132d5d00$0601a8c0@randall> > I think it's more of an insurance disclaimer since > silicone is not > DOT approved for use in street cars. I agree about the insurance disclaimer, but not the reason for it. Regardless of DOT approval, brake manufacturers have to test their equipment; and none of them test with DOT 5. Reproduction parts are a particular problem, since the tests were done long ago and no one is going to invest in repeating them now. I also believe there are better choices for the track, eg any "racing" fluid with frequent changes. That said, I've been using DOT 5 on the street for a long time, and I'm very happy with it. My rate of hydraulic problems has dropped dramatically since I started using DOT 5. There have been some reports of seals that were not compatible with DOT 5. IMO they fall in the same category as antifreeze in toothpaste, someone is cheating somewhere. -- Randall From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 22 10:05:43 2012 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:05:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I've seen the same notice and have simply disregarded it. I think the manufacturers have an agreement with the paint manufacturers so they can sell more paint. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 4everglades at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:22 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tlizzard at msn.com Tue May 22 10:26:35 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:26:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: My street TR3 has had silicone in it since it hit the road in about 1982. Never an issue. Now of late many of my customer's cars, particularly US cars from the 50s/60s, which I see a lot of, have been 50/50 with it. Seems I have more troubles with GM products as well. Terry Stetler From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 22 18:28:41 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:28:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <015C7588-9305-438D-8E4E-5BD991001CD3@virgin.net> References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <015C7588-9305-438D-8E4E-5BD991001CD3@virgin.net> Message-ID: <9A27218E-A1D8-471C-B6AA-0017C9EA2F78@gdhs.com> 10-4 on the SFR. The thing to use iny humble opinion though $70 per quart is a bit much Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2012, at 10:09 AM, TR4 Tony wrote: > I use Castrol SRF for both brake and clutch and have had a few issues with > slave cylinders where the seals are quite square in the bores. Apart from that > only a slight seepage that's hardly noticeable and definately no failures so > it appears to be the answer. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 22 May 2012, at 14:21, 4everglades at comcast.net wrote: > >> I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car > and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel > cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel > cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered > a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a > note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer > seals not compatable with silicone? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 22 18:47:12 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:47:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ECR race video In-Reply-To: <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Nice....thanks. By the way, where's the canyon? Looked kind of flat to me Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote: > Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and British > Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to be > finished loading in another hour or so. > > This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I > remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down substantially. > > Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running > strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore > video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and > the Kramers. > > Duncan > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue May 22 19:56:04 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:56:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ECR race video In-Reply-To: References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <82781F9F-59B0-4A7E-83E1-6199087F5A45@gmail.com> Probably the same place that Wichita Falls' falls are... Duncan On May 22, 2012, at 7:47 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Nice....thanks. By the way, where's the canyon? Looked kind of flat to me > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 22, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote: > >> Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and British >> Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to be >> finished loading in another hour or so. >> >> This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I >> remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down substantially. >> >> Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running >> strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore >> video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and >> the Kramers. >> >> Duncan >> 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Tue May 22 21:11:03 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 22:11:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid....now oil pump. In-Reply-To: <8CF063BE54D74B9-87C-29B94@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Joe and all, Well the short story is that I was heading to the MITTY and made it almost through Kentucky but was not feeling well and decided to return to home. Everyone tells me I missed a great time. As far as the oil pumps I am very happy that so many are now running on the road! I have produced over 50 of them so far and from what I have heard all are working well. That is great news which reflects on the wisdom of the machinists I use that came up with the final idea. I am currently out of the custom pump rotors and it will be awhile before I get another batch machined. I really hate to say that the costs will be going up again as I have needed to order rebuild kits to obtain the outer rotors. To have those machined is a very high cost since they would need to be EDM machined. I now order the rebuild kits and use the outer rotor and toss the inners! So I should have another batch ready by the end of summer and I would appreciate anyone wanting a pump to let me know so I can get an idea on the quantity to order. PS: I use bronze valve guides that I machine! I also use a clearance of .002" Just had to get that in!!!!! Steve Yott Silver Lake, WI _____ From: Joe Alexander [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:11 AM To: tr4 at wi.rr.com; 4everglades at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone brake fluid....now oil pump. Thanks Steve Yott.....were you at the MITTY and we didnt see you? I think several of us now have your special machined oil pump in our cars. I assume they are still available? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Yott To: 4everglades <4everglades at comcast.net>; 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:03 am Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone brake fluid >From what I have seen nearly all of the new built cylinders will carry that warning. I think it's more of an insurance disclaimer since silicone is not DOT approved for use in street cars. I too have used it in my cars and setup many others with silicone and what I have found in the past couple of years is that the seals don't have a sharp enough edge to hold the silicone! As we know this stuff is very slippery and if the seal edge is just slightly rounded the silicone will seep by resulting in loss and a soft pedal. I remember in years gone by that the seals one could buy had rather sharp sealing edges and the seals today are definitely more rounded. It also seems that to buy seals alone from auto parts stores is a thing of the past and not many carry the old box of seals any longer. All you can do now is search for seals that will work. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of 4everglades at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:22 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From igofaster at att.net Wed May 23 10:06:44 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 09:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] ECR race video In-Reply-To: <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1337789204.25562.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> HEY Duncan... I'm still an FoT guy... sorry about that beast #10 Valvoline GTA Car in my rented space with you guys... was hoping I could get there about 6:00 a.m. and wake up the cattle....Although Triumph-less I was still there in support.......... Bobby Whitehead onward through the fog.... FoT forever.... ________________________________ From: Duncan Charlton To: FOT Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 8:25:08 AM Subject: [Fot] ECR race video Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and British Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to be finished loading in another hour or so. This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down substantially. Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and the Kramers. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed May 23 12:00:04 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 14:00:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ECR race video In-Reply-To: <1337789204.25562.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> <1337789204.25562.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nice footage and track....camera did a good job is it the GoPro On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > HEY Duncan... I'm still an FoT guy... sorry about that beast #10 Valvoline > GTA > Car in my rented space with you guys... was hoping I could get there about > 6:00 > a.m. and wake up the cattle....Although Triumph-less I was still there in > support.......... > > Bobby Whitehead > onward through the fog.... FoT forever.... > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Duncan Charlton > To: FOT > Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 8:25:08 AM > Subject: [Fot] ECR race video > > Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and > British > Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to > be > finished loading in another hour or so. > > This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I > remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down > substantially. > > Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running > strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore > video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and > the Kramers. > > Duncan > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed May 23 12:36:52 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 13:36:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ECR race video In-Reply-To: References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> <1337789204.25562.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <77016B34-A28E-4CCC-B649-2A120D604FC3@gmail.com> Yes, the GoPro Hero. Duncan On May 23, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Robert Deanes wrote: > Nice footage and track....camera did a good job is it the GoPro From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed May 23 12:47:11 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 13:47:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dumb Question Message-ID: <000001cd3914$76cd2f20$64678d60$@com> You know, I'd had always heard that there were no dumb questions. Apparently however I found one, the question I asked about bronze valve guides. My apologies! Tim From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed May 23 13:54:11 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:54:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dumb Question In-Reply-To: <000001cd3914$76cd2f20$64678d60$@com> References: <000001cd3914$76cd2f20$64678d60$@com> Message-ID: there are no dumb questions.....just Triumphs and owners trying to go and faster...and everybody has an opinion of what works for them and willing to share....that is what makes this great. On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > You know, I'd had always heard that there were no dumb questions. > Apparently however I found one, the question I asked about bronze valve > guides. > > > > My apologies! > > > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From mark at bradakis.com Wed May 23 17:08:59 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 17:08:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Dumb Question In-Reply-To: <000001cd3914$76cd2f20$64678d60$@com> References: <000001cd3914$76cd2f20$64678d60$@com> Message-ID: <4FBD6E0B.4060800@bradakis.com> I've certainly seen some dumb answers on Team.Net over the years! mjb. From triosan at gmail.com Thu May 24 11:41:48 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 10:41:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? Message-ID: Anyone have a 4 speed gear box with the Dolomite Sprint close ratio gear set they care to sell? How about just the gear set? How about just the third gears? Lost 3rd gear in mine last weekend -- darn and it/I were running better than we ever have British Frame and Engine does not even know if they are available; Quantumechanics has them on order for arrival in "a few weeks". Rimmer brothers appears to have something in a gear set at a little over $1000 [too much]. Racestorations sells the whole box, very expensive Do not know of any other vendors [Wishbone Classics?? Anybody have an email contact there?] Thanks, Chuck Arnold From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Thu May 24 15:54:08 2012 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 07:54:08 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Re Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox Message-ID: care! there are 2 different ratio sets. one assumes there is an overdrive to split 3rd and 4th. the other was just a 4 speed. I have all the ratio charts if needed over the past 30 years, i have broken several 3rd gear pairs from these kits and now cyro treat all the gears. I'm down to my last new 3rd gear pair . The Dolomite sprint had a unique (long) input shaft which you have to cut & shorten if you want it in a TR. Expect to pay good money. someone in the UK re-made a batch a few years back, so they wont be cheap. At one time, Moss UK were selling some specially made input shafts made for TR6 with the right ratio to match the close ratio gears. Thankfully, I still have NOS 1970's stuff from when we worked on the race cars so i dont have to bother with dubious quality re-makes. Terry From cartravel at pobox.com Thu May 24 17:08:13 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 18:08:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FBEBF5D.8020202@pobox.com> Could you post these ratios? I'm only aware of the standard TR ratios (that changed slightly a couple of times) and the close ratio dolomite gears. Speaking of Wishbone Classics (interesting name). I had never heard of them until I spoke with Kia a few days ago. I was looking for an Integral Cam grind. He seems like a reasonable guy. Any of you have experience with these guys. Thanks, Larry Young On 5/24/2012 12:41 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > Anyone have a 4 speed gear box with the Dolomite Sprint close ratio gear > set they care to sell? > How about just the gear set? > How about just the third gears? > > Lost 3rd gear in mine last weekend -- darn and it/I were running better > than we ever have > > British Frame and Engine does not even know if they are available; > Quantumechanics has them on order for arrival in "a few weeks". > Rimmer brothers appears to have something in a gear set at a little over > $1000 [too much]. > Racestorations sells the whole box, very expensive > > Do not know of any other vendors [Wishbone Classics?? Anybody have an email > contact there?] > > > Thanks, > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Thu May 24 17:43:04 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 19:43:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] needed: TR6 dimmer (later style) Message-ID: <4FBEC788.4010308@blacksburg.net> Dudes and Dudettes, Does anyone have a later-style TR250 or TR6 dimmer they no longer need? This is the "D"-shaped dimmer, not the early, rheostat-style. It may have been used on Spitlys, too, I'm not certain. TIA jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From kaskas at cox.net Thu May 24 19:32:50 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 01:32:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? In-Reply-To: <4FBEBF5D.8020202@pobox.com> References: , <4FBEBF5D.8020202@pobox.com> Message-ID: There are the Kastner ratios that are listed in one of my books. the factory made probably 50 sets of those gears back in the very early 70's. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 18:08:13 -0500 > From: cartravel at pobox.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? > > Could you post these ratios? I'm only aware of the standard TR ratios > (that changed slightly a couple of times) and the close ratio dolomite > gears. > > Speaking of Wishbone Classics (interesting name). I had never heard of > them until I spoke with Kia a few days ago. I was looking for an > Integral Cam grind. He seems like a reasonable guy. Any of you have > experience with these guys. > Thanks, > Larry Young > > On 5/24/2012 12:41 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > > Anyone have a 4 speed gear box with the Dolomite Sprint close ratio gear > > set they care to sell? > > How about just the gear set? > > How about just the third gears? > > > > Lost 3rd gear in mine last weekend -- darn and it/I were running better > > than we ever have > > > > British Frame and Engine does not even know if they are available; > > Quantumechanics has them on order for arrival in "a few weeks". > > Rimmer brothers appears to have something in a gear set at a little over > > $1000 [too much]. > > Racestorations sells the whole box, very expensive > > > > Do not know of any other vendors [Wishbone Classics?? Anybody have an email > > contact there?] > > > > > > Thanks, > > Chuck Arnold > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From markjwea at msn.com Thu May 24 21:27:40 2012 From: markjwea at msn.com (MARK J WEATHERS) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 04:27:40 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Paging RodKent Message-ID: Rod, please contact me offgroup at mark at excalpm.com Thanks From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu May 24 23:14:33 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 23:14:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] RMVR Spring race video from Saturday Message-ID: This was the first race starting near the back after forgetting my transponder in quali. I was testing a new camera mount and it was a tad low. jim g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnMjuuwZXc8 From atr6racer at hotmail.com Fri May 25 05:20:35 2012 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 07:20:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? In-Reply-To: References: , , <4FBEBF5D.8020202@pobox.com>, Message-ID: I still have one of those original factory boxes that I've kept from the 70's. It's for sale but it ain't cheap! IIRC, 1:88, 1:42, 1:23, 1:00. Sam Halkias > From: kaskas at cox.net > To: cartravel at pobox.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 01:32:50 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? > > There are the Kastner ratios that are listed in one of my books. the factory > made probably 50 sets of those gears back in the very early 70's. > > Never be beaten by equipment > > Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 18:08:13 -0500 > > From: cartravel at pobox.com > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? > > > > Could you post these ratios? I'm only aware of the standard TR ratios > > (that changed slightly a couple of times) and the close ratio dolomite > > gears. > > > > Speaking of Wishbone Classics (interesting name). I had never heard of > > them until I spoke with Kia a few days ago. I was looking for an > > Integral Cam grind. He seems like a reasonable guy. Any of you have > > experience with these guys. > > Thanks, > > Larry Young > > > > On 5/24/2012 12:41 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > > > Anyone have a 4 speed gear box with the Dolomite Sprint close ratio gear > > > set they care to sell? > > > How about just the gear set? > > > How about just the third gears? > > > > > > Lost 3rd gear in mine last weekend -- darn and it/I were running better > > > than we ever have > > > > > > British Frame and Engine does not even know if they are available; > > > Quantumechanics has them on order for arrival in "a few weeks". > > > Rimmer brothers appears to have something in a gear set at a little over > > > $1000 [too much]. > > > Racestorations sells the whole box, very expensive > > > > > > Do not know of any other vendors [Wishbone Classics?? Anybody have an > email > > > contact there?] > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Chuck Arnold > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/atr6racer at hotmail.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat May 26 02:58:27 2012 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 18:58:27 +1000 Subject: [Fot] chasing some TR250-TR6 parts Message-ID: i'm after these few used parts, does anyone have any to sell? front lower shocky dogbone plate. the part that joins the shock to the lower pan left lower trunnion. would really prefer a new genuine one diff front drive flange and the solid spacer that goes behind it distributor micrometer . this is the part that fits in when you dont have a vac advance unit rear brake adjuster wedge 4 rear brake shoes hold down pins top rad hose "T" piece that takes the vac valve (late US market TR6 only I think) kilometer speedo pair of plastic cowls that cover the column switches (dont care if faded, but must be not split) thanks, Terry (australia) From sgroh1 at comcast.net Sat May 26 10:27:57 2012 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 10:27:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Triumphs victorious at Jefferson 500 Message-ID: The Triumph Spitfire of David Gussack scored 2 class victories and one overall victory in the Jefferson 500's Lola Cup at Summit Point while Steve Groh, following an engine rebuild by FoT member Russ Moore, claimed a first and second in class, and a second overall in the Lola Cup. Awesome Triumph showing!!! From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat May 26 16:56:34 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 18:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS @ BRITISH CAR WEEK....anyone else? Message-ID: <8CF09A9EE6BB6B4-1F34-203E6@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com> John is heading east after a little respite for GRACE at MOSS. He called from Tucson moments ago and is en route to see FOT Henry Morrison. Then, by Wednesday, he will be at the BRITISH CAR WEEK at Hot Springs, AR. FOT Tom Chandler and I will be there. Anyone else?? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun May 27 20:52:16 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 22:52:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Transport Message-ID: I purchased a replacement core for the engine I trashed at the Mitty. It is located near Reading PA and I need to get it nearer to Northern Ohio, just a bit South West of Cleveland. Anybody with some extra trailer space going through the Reading PA area to Mid-Ohio next month or PVGP at PIR (Beaver Run) in July. Or any time else.....? Thanks, Marty From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 28 08:58:34 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 08:58:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs Message-ID: Greetings FoT, I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & ignition info. Thanks as always for the input. Jim g. From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 28 10:36:27 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:36:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs In-Reply-To: <20120528152243.578682D01C3@autox.team.net> References: <20120528152243.578682D01C3@autox.team.net> Message-ID: NGK BP7HS, 25 to 30 thou gap. Tony At 09:58 AM 5/28/2012, Jim Gray wrote: >Greetings FoT, > >I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & >ignition info. > >Thanks as always for the input. > >Jim g. From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 28 10:41:34 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 10:41:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs In-Reply-To: <20120528152244.A8F6D2D021C@autox.team.net> References: <20120528152244.A8F6D2D021C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4FC3AABE.4010200@bradakis.com> For points I gap plugs to 25 thou, 35 - 40 for electronic boxes. mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 28 10:49:31 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 12:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs In-Reply-To: <20120528164013.45FEC2D0219@autox.team.net> References: <20120528152243.578682D01C3@autox.team.net> <20120528164013.45FEC2D0219@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CF0B08FCC5F103-1C30-337CA@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> These should be readily available at your NAPA store. The NAPA Store guy told me that is a common plug used in GOLF CARS. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews To: Jim Gray ; fot Sent: Mon, May 28, 2012 11:41 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs NGK BP7HS, 25 to 30 thou gap. Tony At 09:58 AM 5/28/2012, Jim Gray wrote: >Greetings FoT, > >I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & >ignition info. > >Thanks as always for the input. > >Jim g. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon May 28 10:55:13 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 12:55:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs In-Reply-To: <8CF0B08FCC5F103-1C30-337CA@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> References: <20120528152243.578682D01C3@autox.team.net> <20120528164013.45FEC2D0219@autox.team.net> <8CF0B08FCC5F103-1C30-337CA@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6FA83401-9E37-45BB-B050-D0DA0D0FC069@gdhs.com> Our local Advance stores stock the 7's & can have 8's for you the next day. Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2012, at 12:49 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > These should be readily available at your NAPA store. > > The NAPA Store guy told me that is a common plug used in GOLF CARS. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Drews > To: Jim Gray ; fot > Sent: Mon, May 28, 2012 11:41 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs > > > NGK BP7HS, 25 to 30 thou gap. > > Tony > > At 09:58 AM 5/28/2012, Jim Gray wrote: >> Greetings FoT, >> >> I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & >> ignition info. >> >> Thanks as always for the input. >> >> Jim g. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 28 10:51:30 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 10:51:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs Message-ID: Tony, Do you use any type of MSD ignition or enhanced spark ? Thanks, jg -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com] Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 10:36 AM To: Jim Gray; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs NGK BP7HS, 25 to 30 thou gap. Tony At 09:58 AM 5/28/2012, Jim Gray wrote: >Greetings FoT, > >I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & >ignition info. > >Thanks as always for the input. > >Jim g. From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon May 28 11:05:36 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 13:05:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FP Reg Message-ID: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of the slower turns. From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Mon May 28 11:11:58 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:11:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FP Reg In-Reply-To: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> References: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> Message-ID: What carbs are you running? I run a Holley as well. Set it at 3 and it doesn't go up when running. Also running HS6s. I has to go to MGB float bowls so that the floats were oriented front to back and not side to side. That solved my sputtering in the slower turns. Ty Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly > and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when > we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of > the slower turns. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 28 11:22:26 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 12:22:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FP Reg In-Reply-To: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> References: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> Message-ID: After much experimentation, Jack and I ended up with the combination of a Holley Blue fuel pump with the Holley low pressure regulator. A common problem with fuel pressure regulators is that there's not enough pressure differential between input and output to reliably operate the regulator. The Holley Blue puts out 14 psi, and I have it regulated down to a rock solid 2 psi for my webers. https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=2516 https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=1135 With low pressure pumps, we repeatedly had a problem where fuel delivery would shut down at the end of long straights and we'd end up pulling the regulator to make it through the weekend. Having high enough pressure to operate the regulator seems to be key. Tony At 12:05 PM 5/28/2012, John Hasty wrote: >What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly >and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when >we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of >the slower turns. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Mon May 28 12:21:21 2012 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 12:21:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FP Reg In-Reply-To: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> References: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> Message-ID: John, My guess is that for a pressure swing like that there might be a venting problem. Does the fuel cell ever have any pressure when you remove the cap?[it shouldn't]. My cheapo "clicker" type pump has been clicking away a steady and unregulated 2.5psi for many years now - in fact, if I know me, it was probably used when I put it in. My $.02 Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the > 2nd Holly > and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the > track when > we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the > gas out of > the slower turns. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 28 12:22:22 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 18:22:22 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs Message-ID: I use BOSCH Super 4 WR 56. They have a long thread so I have to use a brass spacer. Cheers Chris ------Originalnachricht------ Von: Jim Gray Absender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs Gesendet: 28. Mai 2012 16:58 Greetings FoT, I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & ignition info. Thanks as always for the input. Jim g. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 28 12:26:54 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 18:26:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FP Reg Message-ID: I try to keep it simple. I use a Mitsuba fuel pump, mounted next to the engine. That's all. Cheers Chris ------Originalnachricht------ Von: John Hasty Absender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] FP Reg Gesendet: 28. Mai 2012 19:05 What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of the slower turns. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From triosan at gmail.com Mon May 28 12:27:39 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:27:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] identify transmission Message-ID: I have a 4 speed transmission with J-type OD I purchased on e-bay several years ago. The J-type does not have the same mounts as the car. I am wondering of anybody can identify it through the model numbers on the side of the tranny: 306812WYF E336/R -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Mon May 28 12:39:21 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FP Reg In-Reply-To: References: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <1338230361.85531.YahooMailRC@web180610.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Greg, not to devert from the current discussion but I have a 12 gal. fuel cell from Summit and when sitting it always has pressure when I remove the cap if the day has any kind of warmth at all. Can't say that I've pulled the cap when it is running. I thought that pressure was normal. Would you think that my relief valve is not relieving near enough? Jim ________________________________ From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" To: John Hasty Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Mon, May 28, 2012 11:21:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg John, My guess is that for a pressure swing like that there might be a venting problem. Does the fuel cell ever have any pressure when you remove the cap?[it shouldn't]. My cheapo "clicker" type pump has been clicking away a steady and unregulated 2.5psi for many years now - in fact, if I know me, it was probably used when I put it in. My $.02 Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly > and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when > we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of > the slower turns. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From cofrog at q.com Mon May 28 14:09:30 2012 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 16:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FP Reg In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <916120386.2410105.1338235770582.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> My "cheapo clicker" (Facet Pump?) has done the same. Hope the gods don't kill the poor thing now that I've sounded off. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" To: "John Hasty" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:21:21 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg John, My guess is that for a pressure swing like that there might be a venting problem. Does the fuel cell ever have any pressure when you remove the cap?[it shouldn't]. My cheapo "clicker" type pump has been clicking away a steady and unregulated 2.5psi for many years now - in fact, if I know me, it was probably used when I put it in. My $.02 Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the > 2nd Holly > and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the > track when > we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the > gas out of > the slower turns. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 28 14:43:09 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 14:43:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] identify transmission In-Reply-To: <9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B015966EEB088@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu> References: <9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B015966EEB088@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu> Message-ID: <4FC3E35D.6080107@bradakis.com> Ruffner, James A *HS wrote: > As I recollect, the "J-type" is used on the TR-6 series, and the "A-type" is > on the -3's and-4's. Actually the TR6 was fitted with the J type starting in 1974, I think it was. The fellow who bought my TR250 put a later J type gearbox in it. It involved some surgery to the frame to fab up some mounts that fit, not a simple task. But he did get it working and was happy with it once done. Wish I still had that one - he offered me a chance to buy it back. It was bad timing - I had just lost my job at the U of U and didn't think buying another car at the time would be a wise thing to do. On a different note, Bailey's will be closed this week while Mike does some vacationing in Oregon, so I'll have time to work on stuff, like getting the Team.Net archives working properly again. I know many folks miss that functionality. One thing I have been meaning to do for quite some time is reply to all those who contributed to Team.Net during the fund drive or just because. So be patient, I've only done a handful so far, you may hear from me soon if you've made use of the donate link! mjb. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon May 28 15:28:35 2012 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 14:28:35 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] FP Reg Message-ID: <22960068.1338240516206.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> It should be noted that the car should be running while checking the fuel pressure. At one point, I connected my fuel-pressure gauge to the output of my FP regulator, ran the fuel pump (without starting the car) to see the pressure climb and climb. In other words, it can't be checked properly in a closed-loop system. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: cofrog at q.com >Sent: May 28, 2012 1:09 PM >To: "Greg \\\"Lunker\\\" Hilyer" >Cc: Friends of Triumph >Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg > >My "cheapo clicker" (Facet Pump?) has done the same. Hope the gods don't kill the poor thing now that I've sounded off. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" >To: "John Hasty" >Cc: "Friends of Triumph" >Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:21:21 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg > >John, >My guess is that for a pressure swing like that there might be a >venting problem. Does the fuel cell ever have any pressure when you >remove the cap?[it shouldn't]. >My cheapo "clicker" type pump has been clicking away a steady and >unregulated 2.5psi for many years now - in fact, if I know me, it was >probably used when I put it in. >My $.02 >Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >TR4 #314 >Albuquerque NM >On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > >> What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the >> 2nd Holly >> and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the >> track when >> we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the >> gas out of >> the slower turns. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> lunkercars at earthlink.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon May 28 16:18:15 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 17:18:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs In-Reply-To: <20120528152307.935972D01C3@autox.team.net> References: <20120528152307.935972D01C3@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000101cd3d1f$c7298540$557c8fc0$@com> Spark Plugs - NGK BPR7HS Gap - 0.025 (Moss) Torque - 18 -25 Lb-Ft. (NGK) Use 18 Lb-Ft. This has worked well for us. Tim & Ryan -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Gray Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 9:59 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs Greetings FoT, I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & ignition info. Thanks as always for the input. Jim g. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon May 28 16:18:15 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 17:18:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs In-Reply-To: <20120528152307.935972D01C3@autox.team.net> References: <20120528152307.935972D01C3@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000001cd3d1f$c7035fa0$550a1ee0$@com> Oops, forgot to mention, Lucas distributor and mechanical points and Lucas Sport Coil ignition. I think the "R" in the designation is for a resistor plug. It is what was readily available. Tim & Ryan -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Gray Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 9:59 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs Greetings FoT, I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & ignition info. Thanks as always for the input. Jim g. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon May 28 16:22:09 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 17:22:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FP Reg In-Reply-To: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> References: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <000201cd3d20$526040e0$f720c2a0$@com> Fuel Pressure Regulator - Holley Part No. 12-803 (included with pump) Pressure range 4-1/2 to 9 psi Set to 3-1/4 to 3-1/2 PSI Fuel Pump - Holley "Blue" Part No. 12-802-1 (70 gph at 9 psi, preset pressure 14 psi) Fuel Filter - Fram HPG-1 Carburetors - SU Type H6 This was all at the suggestion of Uncle Jack and Tony when we built the car. The fuel pressure has always been rock solid. I think we may have dropped the pressure to a bit under 3 PSI. I'll have to take a look when I get the engine together and back in the car running. Tim & Ryan -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Hasty Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:06 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] FP Reg What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of the slower turns. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Tue May 29 02:26:52 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 09:26:52 +0100 Subject: [Fot] FP Reg In-Reply-To: <916120386.2410105.1338235770582.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <916120386.2410105.1338235770582.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: I run twin (switchable) facet red top electric pumps and I don't get any such problems. The reason I have two and they are switchable from the dash is that as they wear they tend to 'stick', so I just flip the switch and use the other until I can pull the duff one out. I got 8 years an about 50000 rally miles from the first two ..... So that's the service life of those pumps I suppose. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 28 May 2012, at 21:09, cofrog at q.com wrote: > My "cheapo clicker" (Facet Pump?) has done the same. Hope the gods don't kill the poor thing now that I've sounded off. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" > To: "John Hasty" > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:21:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg > > John, > My guess is that for a pressure swing like that there might be a > venting problem. Does the fuel cell ever have any pressure when you > remove the cap?[it shouldn't]. > My cheapo "clicker" type pump has been clicking away a steady and > unregulated 2.5psi for many years now - in fact, if I know me, it was > probably used when I put it in. > My $.02 > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > >> What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the >> 2nd Holly >> and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the >> track when >> we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the >> gas out of >> the slower turns. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> lunkercars at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From SpiwakD at aol.com Tue May 29 06:34:00 2012 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Race fuel Message-ID: <5570.70d47a84.3cf61c38@aol.com> I use low-lead 100 octane aircraft fuel in my TR3 with 12.5-1 compression. I have never had any problems, but am wondering if I have sufficient octane. If I need more octane, should I make a blend by adding race fuel? From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 29 09:49:43 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 17:49:43 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Race fuel In-Reply-To: <5570.70d47a84.3cf61c38@aol.com> References: <5570.70d47a84.3cf61c38@aol.com> Message-ID: <001801cd3db2$ab626dc0$02274940$@com> I run on lead free pump fuel from 98 to 102 octane. Whatever you can get on the fuel station. Compression is 11.5:1 Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von SpiwakD at aol.com Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Mai 2012 14:34 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Race fuel I use low-lead 100 octane aircraft fuel in my TR3 with 12.5-1 compression. I have never had any problems, but am wondering if I have sufficient octane. If I need more octane, should I make a blend by adding race fuel? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue May 29 08:27:40 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 07:27:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] identify transmission References: Message-ID: Hey Chuck, call me sometime and I'll look at it and show you my mounts. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: "Friends" ; "Triumph" <6pack at autox.team.net>; "TRlist" Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 11:27 AM Subject: [Fot] identify transmission >I have a 4 speed transmission with J-type OD I purchased on e-bay several > years ago. The J-type does not have the same mounts as the car. I am > wondering of anybody can identify it through the model numbers on the side > of the tranny: > 306812WYF E336/R > > -- > Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From cwnfot at gmail.com Tue May 29 13:38:25 2012 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 15:38:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: identify transmission Message-ID: <017001cd3dd2$9e661890$db3249b0$@com> Hope this helps... Clark -----Original Message----- From: Quantum [mailto:john at quantumechanics.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:44 PM To: 'Clark W. Nicholls'; 'John Esposito' Subject: RE: [Fot] identify transmission Gang - Hi there! The 306812 indicates a TR6 case. Look at the left or right side areas where the cross shaft comes out and it should have A CC or CD prefix hand stamped serial number there. What is the serial number on the overdrive unit? That will tell what type it is also. John Esposito Quantum Mechanics Ltd. 315 Riggs Street Building A, Unit 3. Oxford Ct. 06478 Phone 203-463-8299 Fax 203-828-6039 www.quantumechanics.com From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue May 29 13:48:42 2012 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 15:48:42 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Race fuel Message-ID: <25169981.1338320922282.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Dave, I'm not fuels engineer but this topic came up on a FV list a couple of years ago and a fuels engineer posted a long and informative article. The really fundamental piece of info in that note was that the equation for calculatine octane is a made up thing. It is not based on basic units that we all know an love. Farther, he was very specific that the fomula for calculating road car gas octane was not the same as that used for aircraft fuel. Consequently, you can not compare the two and make any real sense out of it. Aircraft engines are relatively low compression ratio machines so their need for anti-knock additives is also pretty low. He also stated that current av-gas "low lead" fuel has more lead in it than car pump gas ever did. I take that at face value and assume he wasnt making stuff up. So....lead content is good for your motor but the octane may not be if you have a bunch of compression. I use it in the FV motors but they have quite low compression. Also, the formulation of the fuel is different in other ways. If you splash some car fuel on the concrete it'll take much longer for it to evaporate than an equivalent amount of av-gas. And, it feels much less oily to the touch. I use it for cleaning stuff that mineral spirits wont touch but that would be harmed by lacquer thinner or acetone..like paint. Mike -----Original Message----- >From: SpiwakD at aol.com >Sent: May 29, 2012 8:34 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Race fuel > >I use low-lead 100 octane aircraft fuel in my TR3 with 12.5-1 compression. >I have never had any problems, but am wondering if I have sufficient >octane. If I need more octane, should I make a blend by adding race fuel? >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue May 29 16:32:54 2012 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 17:32:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Race fuel References: <5570.70d47a84.3cf61c38@aol.com> Message-ID: <0AD9F1167FA1467586B052159D0D3E76@rocky> If it's a race car, use race gas. I used to use 100LL avgas when I had a "low" compression engine built to last several races, when I got up above 12:1 I began using real race gas. Currently I use VP C-12. Essentially equivalent is Sunoco purple. Ask around at your local speed shops to find a retailer, which can be in strange places (my VP retailer is a heavy equipment rental company whose office manager is a circle track guy; local Sunoco retailer is a motorsport machine shop). Nice article at www.vpracingfuels.com/page469659.html -- the top half is why VP is so great, but the bottom half gives some nice tech info on race gas. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:34 AM Subject: [Fot] Race fuel >I use low-lead 100 octane aircraft fuel in my TR3 with 12.5-1 compression. > I have never had any problems, but am wondering if I have sufficient > octane. If I need more octane, should I make a blend by adding race > fuel? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed May 30 12:13:35 2012 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 11:13:35 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers Message-ID: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers to find out their date of manufacture and other info? TS67499E TS66557E ~Steve From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed May 30 12:30:52 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:30:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7D606139-FE0D-4A71-BE64-1DD86FD911DA@gdhs.com> The British Motor Industry Heritage Trust can probably tell you Sent from my iPhone On May 30, 2012, at 2:13 PM, steve wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > TS67499E > > TS66557E > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed May 30 12:42:31 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 11:42:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: We used to see that a lot of engine #'s coincided with the body #, at least we saw this on TR6's and not sure if it holds true on the earlier TR's. It seemed to me that the engine # was about 100 different from the body #. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:13 AM Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers > to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > TS67499E > > TS66557E > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From kaskas at cox.net Wed May 30 16:16:52 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 22:16:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, Message-ID: Don't ever be sure that the block even with the same number is the original. I had a set of stamps that were exactly like the factory original stamps. Never be beaten by equipment > From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com > To: colordog.1 at earthlink.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 11:42:31 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > > We used to see that a lot of engine #'s coincided with the body #, at least > we saw this on TR6's and not sure if it holds true on the earlier TR's. It > seemed to me that the engine # was about 100 different from the body #. > Charly Mitchel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "steve" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:13 AM > Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > > > > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers > > to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > > > TS67499E > > > > TS66557E > > > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From mark at bradakis.com Wed May 30 19:57:16 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 19:57:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, Message-ID: <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> I had a rather early TR6 at one point, CC25064 ( Sorry, AAB guys! ) and the engine number was only off by 8, as I recall, ending in 72. mjb. From rjl at gt-classics.com Wed May 30 20:20:36 2012 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 22:20:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <4FC6D574.1020907@gt-classics.com> Let's see, what color was that TR-6 again, I'm not sure I remember... :-) John On 5/30/2012 9:57 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > I had a rather early TR6 at one point, CC25064 ( Sorry, AAB guys! ) and > the engine number was only off by 8, as I recall, ending in 72. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com > > > > -- Thanks, R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From spitlist at cox.net Wed May 30 20:28:23 2012 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 19:28:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <4175856033D74D40976B2BDF6EB349BF@Vista> The further along in the production sequence, the further off the numbers got. This is because engines were pulled from the warehouse for warranty replacement and dealer spares stock, while commission numbers continued in numerical sequence. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:57 PM To: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers I had a rather early TR6 at one point, CC25064 ( Sorry, AAB guys! ) and the engine number was only off by 8, as I recall, ending in 72. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tlizzard at msn.com Wed May 30 21:13:55 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 23:13:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> <4175856033D74D40976B2BDF6EB349BF@Vista> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> <4175856033D74D40976B2BDF6EB349BF@Vista> Message-ID: Not to mention the several hundred engines sold to TVR over the course of the years. There were in the neighborhood of 350 Vixen 2500s and who knows how many M Types with the TR6 engine. My Vixen is the one car I never should have let slip away... Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Curry To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; 'fot' Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers The further along in the production sequence, the further off the numbers got. This is because engines were pulled from the warehouse for warranty replacement and dealer spares stock, while commission numbers continued in numerical sequence. Joe From tr4.tony at virgin.net Thu May 31 06:11:12 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:11:12 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: TR4 CT serial led engines are normally within 500 of the comm number. BMIHT have the micro fiche records of all the factory builds only and these are by commission number order. To search for an engine you need to go through each record individually .... Takes a while. Engine changes were recorded on the old logbook in the UK, so where old VRO records were distroyed this info is lost. Some VRO's such as Coventry passed records to the Transport Museum so on these forms changes in engine and body and registration mark are shown. So, for some UK cars all the changes can be traced. If you have a system like this in the US then that's how to find the cars for those engines I it can't be done from the UK records. Both those engines look like TR4a from late 66, early 67 Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 30 May 2012, at 19:13, steve wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > TS67499E > > TS66557E > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Thu May 31 06:49:59 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 07:49:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> <4175856033D74D40976B2BDF6EB349BF@Vista> Message-ID: <4D5C9920-1035-4700-883E-80B6C8116D06@gmail.com> I've never figured out whether the numerals would have been sequential if the engines were sent to other car manufacturers, but I suspect they were. Whereas I don't know if TVR engines were marked specifically for TVR use, Morgan TR engines had a different suffix -- ME instead of E, but retaining the prefix of TS or CT. Duncan (Texas) On May 30, 2012, at 10:13 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Not to mention the several hundred engines sold to TVR over the course of the > years. There were in the neighborhood of 350 Vixen 2500s and who knows how > many M Types with the TR6 engine. > My Vixen is the one car I never should have let slip away... > > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Curry > To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; > 'fot' > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > > > The further along in the production sequence, the further off the numbers > got. This is because engines were pulled from the warehouse for warranty > replacement and dealer spares stock, while commission numbers continued in > numerical sequence. > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From fubog1 at aol.com Thu May 31 07:12:15 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: <4D5C9920-1035-4700-883E-80B6C8116D06@gmail.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> <4175856033D74D40976B2BDF6EB349BF@Vista> <4D5C9920-1035-4700-883E-80B6C8116D06@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CF0D46227473F2-25F8-F4C@webmail-d139.sysops.aol.com> What I believe is the original engine from my '72 2500 "hybrid" is CC84762UF. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: Terry Stetler Cc: 'fot' Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 8:50 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers I've never figured out whether the numerals would have been sequential if the engines were sent to other car manufacturers, but I suspect they were. Whereas I don't know if TVR engines were marked specifically for TVR use, Morgan TR engines had a different suffix -- ME instead of E, but retaining the prefix of TS or CT. Duncan (Texas) On May 30, 2012, at 10:13 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Not to mention the several hundred engines sold to TVR over the course of the > years. There were in the neighborhood of 350 Vixen 2500s and who knows how > many M Types with the TR6 engine. > My Vixen is the one car I never should have let slip away... > > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Curry > To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; > 'fot' > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > > > The further along in the production sequence, the further off the numbers > got. This is because engines were pulled from the warehouse for warranty > replacement and dealer spares stock, while commission numbers continued in > numerical sequence. > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From weredinger at cox.net Thu May 31 08:10:40 2012 From: weredinger at cox.net (Bill) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:10:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Steve; The engines in question were produced around January 1960 and put into cars about that same time frame. The time it took to get from casting to a final vehicle is lost with time, it is anyone's guess, months maybe. Engines were made in batches with sequential numbering and shipped to final assembly were they were placed in holding, waiting for a vehicle chassis to be installed in (also in sequential numbering, but not the same) as they could have pulled the first or last of the batch on the factory floor. Engines were also pulled from these batches for other manufactures like Morgan, etc, replacement service and testing, so the further out on the model run the more likely the greater spread from Commission Number (lower) to Engine number will be. By 1960 it could be 500 to 1000 numbers off, but with varying spread from one car to the next one off the line. BMHT (VTR also does searches also) run vehicle searches based on commission numbers, but will run ones based on engine number, but it takes a lot longer as they have to pull all the commission numbers in that range to see where the engine was placed. Also of note in 1975-76 British Leland, was scrapping out TR3 NOS parts from their inventory, of which there were a few engines and blocks made available to VTR which did not have any serial numbers stamped on them. Sorry they are long gone at prices you would die for today! Bill Redinger VTR, TR2-3 Vehicle Consultant ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:13 PM Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers > to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > TS67499E > > TS66557E > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/weredinger at cox.net From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Thu May 31 08:26:09 2012 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don TR) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:26:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: According to Bill Piggot's book "Original Triumph TR2, 3, 3A and 3B", on pg 122, TR3A TS 60000 was built in Oct. 1959 and TS 70182 was built in March 1960. Considering that the engine TS numbers were about 300 or 400 numbers out from the Comm. Nos, I would guess that the two engines you listed were build in late December 1959 to January 1960. This also closely agrees with the dates of Comm. Nos listed by Marty Lodawer of TRSC for US delivered cars. Image copy of pertinant page e-mailed directly to Steve. Don Elliott, Original Owner 1958 TR3A, Montreal ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers > to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > TS67499E > > TS66557E > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 31 08:42:37 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:42:37 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on throttle" and to the left "off throttle". Does anybody see a reason for that? http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE Cheers Chris From peter at nosimport.com Thu May 31 09:02:08 2012 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:02:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> Message-ID: <20120531150306.7C3FA9A4860@mx2.netinteraction.com> Loose axle U-bolts, or? Too much movement where the spring meets the axle tube. Peter C (nice vid) At 09:42 AM 5/31/2012, you wrote: >I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on >throttle" and to the left "off throttle". > >Does anybody see a reason for that? > >http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > >Cheers >Chris From malaboge at aol.com Thu May 31 11:49:33 2012 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> Message-ID: <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> Chris, A few thoughts... has it always done this or is it recent (added more hp lately?) check for anything loose/broken (spring leaves can break and be hard to spot if at the axle junction) cracked frame (check at the center "X" area as well as the where the rear of the spring mounts to the frame area) soft spring eye bushings what sort of additional link do you have for the rear? traction bars or upper link? if nothing (cannot tell from video) it may be time to install one disconnect emergency brakes and see if the problem changes if everything seems OK...detune the engine, you obviously have too much power! always pulling a little "to the left" myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'FOT' Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am Subject: [Fot] LSD I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on hrottle" and to the left "off throttle". Does anybody see a reason for that? http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE Cheers hris ______________________________________________ From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 31 12:47:23 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 18:47:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Nick from Nor Cal, I did changes to the rear: 1. Changed from 4.1 axle to 4.55 2. Swapped a welded diff against an LSD, Sailsbury type. 3. I welded the axle tube to the housing. I have hard bushes at the springs rear. No rods just stock design. With the locked rear I had no self steering. It is not a bad steer but it is feelable. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: malaboge at aol.com Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:49:33 To: ; Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD Chris, A few thoughts... has it always done this or is it recent (added more hp lately?) check for anything loose/broken (spring leaves can break and be hard to spot if at the axle junction) cracked frame (check at the center "X" area as well as the where the rear of the spring mounts to the frame area) soft spring eye bushings what sort of additional link do you have for the rear? traction bars or upper link? if nothing (cannot tell from video) it may be time to install one disconnect emergency brakes and see if the problem changes if everything seems OK...detune the engine, you obviously have too much power! always pulling a little "to the left" myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'FOT' Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am Subject: [Fot] LSD I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on hrottle" and to the left "off throttle". Does anybody see a reason for that? http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE Cheers hris ______________________________________________ From gaf3 at charter.net Thu May 31 12:56:48 2012 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:56:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> Message-ID: <4FC7BEF0.5070700@charter.net> Chris Nice camera work. If you have not determined the cause of your rear steer and have the desire to find the root cause of the problem, set up you camera pointed at a stationary plate mounted to the frame and a pointer mounted to the axle both in the forward and lateral direction in the car. The plate needs to have graduations to show the extent of the movement. With one camera you would need to set it up twice, once in each direction. This is how I use to root cause suspension issues when I was a development engineer at one of the big three. Sounds like a lot of work but since you mounted the camera you are half way there. You could also set up a scratch plate without using a camera. Just my 2 cents worth. Glenn Franco On 5/31/2012 10:42 AM, MadMarx wrote: > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > throttle" and to the left "off throttle". > > Does anybody see a reason for that? > > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 31 14:18:38 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:18:38 +0000 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> Message-ID: Bill, What I saw at the dyno session was that the left wheel moves more forth and back than on the right side. I'm searching for the cause. All bushes seem to be okay. Your idea with different spring rates or broken leaves is a point to check. Thanks Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:59:03 To: Cc: ; Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD With hard bushing you shouldn't need a panhard bar--at least I don't. You might want some kind of anti-tramping bars though. I use them on Peyote and they make a huge difference. If the spring rates are a little different they will roll up differently and steer the rear end. I'd suspect a problem in the LSD. Either your spring washers might have heated up and softened or something is just not adjusted properly. On May 31, 2012, at 11:47 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Nick from Nor Cal, > > I did changes to the rear: > 1. Changed from 4.1 axle to 4.55 > 2. Swapped a welded diff against an LSD, Sailsbury type. > 3. I welded the axle tube to the housing. > > I have hard bushes at the springs rear. No rods just stock design. > > With the locked rear I had no self steering. > It is not a bad steer but it is feelable. > > Cheers > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: malaboge at aol.com > Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:49:33 > To: ; > Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > > > Chris, > A few thoughts... > has it always done this or is it recent (added more hp lately?) > check for anything loose/broken (spring leaves can break and be hard to spot if at the axle junction) > cracked frame (check at the center "X" area as well as the where the rear of the spring mounts to the frame area) > soft spring eye bushings > what sort of additional link do you have for the rear? traction bars or upper link? if nothing (cannot tell from video) it may be time to install one > disconnect emergency brakes and see if the problem changes > > if everything seems OK...detune the engine, you obviously have too much power! > > always pulling a little "to the left" myself... > Nick in Nor Cal > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MadMarx > To: 'FOT' > Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am > Subject: [Fot] LSD > > > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > hrottle" and to the left "off throttle". > Does anybody see a reason for that? > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > Cheers > hris > ______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu May 31 18:14:24 2012 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 17:14:24 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] LSD Message-ID: <1300447.1338509664682.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The front bushes inside the "eyes" of the leaf springs are rubber with a metal sleeve. The rubber can deteriorate and essentially cause the spring's front mounting point to move around under load. My car has bronze bushes in place of the stock pieces. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: tr4racing at googlemail.com >Sent: May 31, 2012 1:18 PM >To: Bill Babcock >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > >Bill, > >What I saw at the dyno session was that the left wheel moves more forth and back than on the right side. >I'm searching for the cause. >All bushes seem to be okay. >Your idea with different spring rates or broken leaves is a point to check. > >Thanks >Chris > >Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bill Babcock >Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:59:03 >To: >Cc: ; >Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > >With hard bushing you shouldn't need a panhard bar--at least I don't. You might want some kind of anti-tramping bars though. I use them on Peyote and they make a huge difference. If the spring rates are a little different they will roll up differently and steer the rear end. I'd suspect a problem in the LSD. Either your spring washers might have heated up and softened or something is just not adjusted properly. >On May 31, 2012, at 11:47 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > >> Hi Nick from Nor Cal, >> >> I did changes to the rear: >> 1. Changed from 4.1 axle to 4.55 >> 2. Swapped a welded diff against an LSD, Sailsbury type. >> 3. I welded the axle tube to the housing. >> >> I have hard bushes at the springs rear. No rods just stock design. >> >> With the locked rear I had no self steering. >> It is not a bad steer but it is feelable. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: malaboge at aol.com >> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:49:33 >> To: ; >> Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD >> >> >> Chris, >> A few thoughts... >> has it always done this or is it recent (added more hp lately?) >> check for anything loose/broken (spring leaves can break and be hard to spot if at the axle junction) >> cracked frame (check at the center "X" area as well as the where the rear of the spring mounts to the frame area) >> soft spring eye bushings >> what sort of additional link do you have for the rear? traction bars or upper link? if nothing (cannot tell from video) it may be time to install one >> disconnect emergency brakes and see if the problem changes >> >> if everything seems OK...detune the engine, you obviously have too much power! >> >> always pulling a little "to the left" myself... >> Nick in Nor Cal >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MadMarx >> To: 'FOT' >> Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am >> Subject: [Fot] LSD >> >> >> I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on >> hrottle" and to the left "off throttle". >> Does anybody see a reason for that? >> http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE >> Cheers >> hris >> ______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From Catpusher at aol.com Thu May 31 18:47:53 2012 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park Message-ID: <4c2a2.5b44e6bb.3cf96b39@aol.com> For some years I prepped and stored our race car across the street from Golden Gate Park in SF, and I so wished that I could race there when faced with flat towing many hours to places like: SIR, Westwood, Riverside, and Road Atlanta. Over the years I have asked many people where the course was, with no clear answer. It was with pleasure that I read Monday's SF paper and found a map of the course, and about a new book about the early 1950s races, co-authored by our own Gary Horstkorta. TR Regards, Hardy From tony at tonydrews.com Thu May 31 19:16:53 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:16:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I was thinking it would be interesting to see the other side of the axle from the same camera angle to see if you get as much flex in the spring as you do in the video. The axle moves noticeably from the front to the rear as the spring winds / unwinds, if one spring is stiffer than the other you'd end up with some rear steer because of one side moving more than the other. Tony At 03:18 PM 5/31/2012, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: >Bill, > >What I saw at the dyno session was that the left wheel moves more >forth and back than on the right side. >I'm searching for the cause. >All bushes seem to be okay. >Your idea with different spring rates or broken leaves is a point to check. > >Thanks >Chris > >Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bill Babcock >Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:59:03 >To: >Cc: ; >Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > >With hard bushing you shouldn't need a panhard bar--at least I >don't. You might want some kind of anti-tramping bars though. I use >them on Peyote and they make a huge difference. If the spring rates >are a little different they will roll up differently and steer the >rear end. I'd suspect a problem in the LSD. Either your spring >washers might have heated up and softened or something is just not >adjusted properly. >On May 31, 2012, at 11:47 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > > > Hi Nick from Nor Cal, > > > > I did changes to the rear: > > 1. Changed from 4.1 axle to 4.55 > > 2. Swapped a welded diff against an LSD, Sailsbury type. > > 3. I welded the axle tube to the housing. > > > > I have hard bushes at the springs rear. No rods just stock design. > > > > With the locked rear I had no self steering. > > It is not a bad steer but it is feelable. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: malaboge at aol.com > > Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:49:33 > > To: ; > > Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > > > > > > Chris, > > A few thoughts... > > has it always done this or is it recent (added more hp lately?) > > check for anything loose/broken (spring leaves can break and be > hard to spot if at the axle junction) > > cracked frame (check at the center "X" area as well as the where > the rear of the spring mounts to the frame area) > > soft spring eye bushings > > what sort of additional link do you have for the rear? traction > bars or upper link? if nothing (cannot tell from video) it may be > time to install one > > disconnect emergency brakes and see if the problem changes > > > > if everything seems OK...detune the engine, you obviously have > too much power! > > > > always pulling a little "to the left" myself... > > Nick in Nor Cal > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: MadMarx > > To: 'FOT' > > Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am > > Subject: [Fot] LSD > > > > > > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > > hrottle" and to the left "off throttle". > > Does anybody see a reason for that? > > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > > Cheers > > hris > > ______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From cwnfot at gmail.com Thu May 31 19:41:13 2012 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 21:41:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park In-Reply-To: <4c2a2.5b44e6bb.3cf96b39@aol.com> References: <4c2a2.5b44e6bb.3cf96b39@aol.com> Message-ID: <01d801cd3f97$a2041300$e60c3900$@com> Is this it, Hardy? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/27/BAIJ1OM33L.DTL Another... http://larkspurcortemadera.patch.com/articles/driver-returns-to-days-of-glor y Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 31 20:27:19 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:27:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> There is also the reaction of the axle housing against the propshaft. The shaft turns one way, the axle reacts in the opposite direction. One wheel is pushed a bit harder into the rollers, one lifted a bit up. mjb. From rocky at spitfire4.com Thu May 31 20:26:36 2012 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 21:26:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park References: <4c2a2.5b44e6bb.3cf96b39@aol.com> Message-ID: <508AFCF13C40472B8C95BBC1EABC84D8@rocky> At the risk of dating myself, I was there for the 1953 races. As a pre-teen kid, I didn't know much about racing and nothing about SCCA at the time, but I thought this one guy in a red car whose name rhymed was cool. Of course, I didn't know anything about Phil Hill then either. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:47 PM Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park > For some years I prepped and stored our race car across the street from > Golden Gate Park in SF, and I so wished that I could race there when faced > with flat towing many hours to places like: SIR, Westwood, Riverside, and > Road Atlanta. Over the years I have asked many people where the course > was, > with no clear answer. It was with pleasure that I read Monday's SF paper > and > found a map of the course, and about a new book about the early 1950s > races, co-authored by our own Gary Horstkorta. > > TR Regards, > Hardy > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu May 31 20:31:58 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 22:31:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Prospective member/racer Message-ID: <1355A8325EDD408C936E7E9C5F3FA342@owner8914bbf7f> Hi all. We have an organization around Erie called SOB, Sons of Britain. Anyone who has anything British is welcome. Kinda like the FOT, no officers, dues, or any other constraints. They have monthly meetings, have a September car show, have various tours around the area, and will have a summer party at my farm July 29 (if you happen to be in the area). One of the guys, Mike Moore, is thinking about getting a TR4 to race and asked me if he could be put in touch with the FOT; he'll have a bunch of questions and could be helped immensely by the FOT's knowledge. I'll recommend if I can get a second. mmoore at wave1.net I'll probably head for Mid Ohio in late June for the vintage event. Thanks, Bill From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu May 31 22:38:20 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 04:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park In-Reply-To: <01d801cd3f97$a2041300$e60c3900$@com> Message-ID: <488373492.326076.1338525500312.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Yesterday as part of the annual Sonma Historic Motorsports Reunion at Infineon Raceway (actually, as of today Infineon's naming rights expired so it is now Sonoma Raceway), the track held a press conference celebrating the 60th anniversary of the races in Golden Gate Park. Present were three local ex-drivers who participated in those races and three of the original cars that were driven in the races - an ex-Phil Hill Aston Martin DB2, a 1950 Jaguar Parkinson Special and the Mercury flathead powered Baldwin Special. Amazing to see the drivers (all in their early 80s) and the three cars together. It was a kick to watch the ex-drivers all bench racing about the old days. This Saturday at the track they will have a seminar with the 1952 race winner, Bill Pollack (event Grand Marshall) plus five of the ex-drivers that raced in the Park. The event is receiving local TV, newspaper and as you've seen, Internet coverage. Gary Horstkorta Archivist - SF Region/SCCa 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clark W. Nicholls" To: Catpusher at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:41:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park Is this it, Hardy? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/27/BAIJ1OM33L.DTL Another... http://larkspurcortemadera.patch.com/articles/driver-returns-to-days-of-glor y Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintage.racer at comcast.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue May 1 07:07:36 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 09:07:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mitty stuff Message-ID: All I can say is WOW!. Haven't made it home yet as we stopped to stay a couple of days in the mountains, got to keep the banker happy too don't ya know. :). Weekend started out rough as we shot parts out of the side of the block 5 laps into the first practice session on Friday. Probably stressed the crank during my over revving situation last week and it let go. We shall see when we get home but I was picking piston pieces out of the lip at the front of the bonnet. Just had to switch gears from racing to spectating, once I did that we had a blast the rest of the weekend. It was SO great to see all my old friends and meet many new ones, both FOT and spectators. I don't see how we can ever top this one! Guys please thank your spouses for me for making My wife feel so welcome to the group at the track, she enjoyed herself also. Hopefully I will get another engine together and show up to be in your guys way at next years Kastner Cup event. Marty Sukey #8 Spitfire From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 1 07:16:04 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 09:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MITTY AFTERMATH Message-ID: <8CEF5B3B0FF4407-1ED0-E43@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> FOT: There's a huge number of stories. Please share them. A few notes here: I thought the pageantry of THE CMS GRID GIRLS and the on grid interviews was a very GREAT feature. We would like to incorporate this feature into the next Kastner Cup and will be looking for an Organizer. Special thanks to CMS organization for the CMS Hospitality Tent in the PRO-PADDOCK, too. Certainly we will want to arrange for a Hospitality Tent at the next Kastner Cup. More later.... Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 1 07:52:20 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 09:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 an ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <8CEF5B8C2C267C8-1ED0-14DF@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> YES! It will be at ROAD AMERICA in the fall. SEPTEMBER It has been 1996 since the TRIUMPH has been the featured marque at this event. It has been under discussion for the last couple of years with VSCDA. Finally it's time has come for the FOT to gather at this premier VSCDA event. Kas Kastner will be the GRAND MARSHALL for the weekend, of course. FOT John Houlton will be KASTNER CUP Event Chair. John is on the BOD of VSCDA and is well acquainted with top management at ROAD AMERICA. The Friends of Triumph will be the focus of the event, make no mistake about that. The ELKHART LAKE VINTAGE FESTIVAL has been an extremely popular event, drawing entrants from all over North America. The small resort village of Elkhart Lake is very welcoming and easy to get to from the track. There are always events planned for us in the village during the weekend. Stay tuned for future announcements. Financially we are largely covered, but may be looking for some sponsors for extras that would like to have. Suggestions are always welcomed. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 1 08:48:35 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 10:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 an ANNOUNCEMENT In-Reply-To: <57d6800f-6394-4c1f-8b81-6620f66b07c4@blur> References: <8CEF5B8C2C267C8-1ED0-14DF@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> <57d6800f-6394-4c1f-8b81-6620f66b07c4@blur> Message-ID: <8CEF5C09F0980B6-1ED0-1EC9@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> Chuck good to hear from you....message says: SEPTEMBER 2013 It can be a very perfect time of the year with dry weather and cool temperatures. It also follow Watkins Glen and is a popular stop over for west coast guys returning from the east. This is the most popular event of the year with VSCDA and well attended without the crush of many 'festival' events. This is 'FIRST CABIN' event and we will be proud to be part of it. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: chasgee To: Joe Alexander ; fot Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 9:30 am Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 an ANNOUNCEMENT Hi Joe, What time of year will it be? End of April? Thanks, Chuck Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Joe Alexander To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 14:07:33 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 an ANNOUNCEMENT YES! It will be at ROAD AMERICA in the fall. SEPTEMBER It has been 1996 since the TRIUMPH has been the featured marque at this event. It has been under discussion for the last couple of years with VSCDA. Finally it's time has come for the FOT to gather at this premier VSCDA event. Kas Kastner will be the GRAND MARSHALL for the weekend, of course. FOT John Houlton will be KASTNER CUP Event Chair. John is on the BOD of VSCDA and is well acquainted with top management at ROAD AMERICA. The Friends of Triumph will be the focus of the event, make no mistake about that. The ELKHART LAKE VINTAGE FESTIVAL has been an extremely popular event, drawing entrants from all over North America. The small resort village of Elkhart Lake is very welcoming and easy to get to from the track. There are always events planned for us in the village during the weekend. Stay tuned for future announcements. Financially we are largely covered, but may be looking for some sponsors for extras that would like to have. Suggestions are always welcomed. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From triosan at gmail.com Tue May 1 09:32:39 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 08:32:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another Nomination [nimination?] Message-ID: He is not a Triumph guy -- in fact he races a B. But he is good at it, and certainly part of our family since he attends and races at every Kas Kup. I would like to nominate Will Hart, son of Bill Hart [#98 TR powered Devin] and travel companion/all around helper of Tony Garmey who maintains the car. -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From igofaster at att.net Tue May 1 09:48:36 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 08:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta Message-ID: <1335887316.61747.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> was truly an experience to drive the track for the first time... my track-mate shows I hit 101 mph on the back straight and the front straight... I thought I was faster on the back. Still a lot bummed about not being able to run with Jason and Newman in the other two GT6's... the pleasure was softened by Peggy and Kas being extra warm, generous, and sharing... a memory of a lifetime for me, thanks Kas... We joked signing my car "ready to push..." but graciously signed "racing soon, Kas Kastner" ... awesome.. On the DL I got the GT6 on stands last night, went to drain the oil, and a LOT of water came out. Hoping it is only the head gasket but there's no telling. #2 piston is not in the slot when turning over, bent valve, and pieces of the piston (we think) we're in the front carb... strange... there was no crying or muffled handgun discharged in the black Ford van with the black enclosed sleeping quarters of yours truly... I was threatened to be blocked in if I tried to leave thursday night... my attitude improved a lot friday... I came away from the Mitty with a new slogan "Never met a Triumph person I didn't like" ... seems appropriate... Bobby Whitehead From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 1 10:18:48 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 12:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Another Nomination [nimination?] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CEF5CD3958AC61-8C8-1BB20@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> Hart Family all.....belong. TR250K AND DEVIN TRIUMPH trumps MGB...... Most of us likely had a MG first.....even Kas. 2nd Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley To: Friends Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 11:04 am Subject: [Fot] Another Nomination [nimination?] He is not a Triumph guy -- in fact he races a B. But he is good at it, and certainly part of our family since he attends and races at every Kas Kup. I would like to nominate Will Hart, son of Bill Hart [#98 TR powered Devin] and travel companion/all around helper of Tony Garmey who maintains the car. -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 1 10:39:04 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 11:39:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another Nomination [nimination?] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll gladly second that, although you'll need to include his e-mail address for Mark to add him to the list. Tony Drews At 10:32 AM 5/1/2012, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: >He is not a Triumph guy -- in fact he races a B. But he is good at it, and >certainly part of our family since he attends and races at every Kas Kup. >I would like to nominate Will Hart, son of Bill Hart [#98 TR powered Devin] >and travel companion/all around helper of Tony Garmey who maintains the car. > >-- >Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From cofrog at q.com Tue May 1 12:54:38 2012 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 14:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Crankshaft In-Reply-To: <1177610957.1565761.1335898365710.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <297435576.1565844.1335898478954.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> I'm in need of a good TR3/4 crankshaft. Prefer one with stock sized journals. One near Denver would be best for a local pickup but beggars can't be choosers. Thanks, Dan From mnewman at embarqmail.com Tue May 1 15:10:15 2012 From: mnewman at embarqmail.com (William T newman) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 17:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] 2012 Mitty In-Reply-To: <2120212493.2460363.1335903532468.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: <126288481.2462399.1335906615048.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> To All: Mary and I got back to our home in Florida about 1:00 PM today. Everything still is in good shape, inlcuding the GT6. The Mitty was the best weekend we have had in a long time. I want to thank Kas and Peggy for being there as the guests of honor (thanks Kas for signing my car door on Friday). Thanks to Tim Suddard and his team for their sponsorship of the event, as well as the Vintage Triumph Register ( I enjoyed talking to Mike Cook). We established many new friendships, most noteably, the Sulkey family, the Alexander family, the Kahlers and all the others of our Triumph Friends. I had a fun time with Bill Collins, John Hasty and Sean Alexander in the Kastner Cup Race on Saturday. Good job Sean, pasing me before the finish! The Sunday race was also a lot of fun with hard pressure from Bill Collins, Greg Kimbrough and Bob Kramer (Good job Bob, you got me!). I had a great time and would like to to it again with you folks in Forida. I will be willing to help to set something up at Sebring if anyone is interested. Bill Newman #44 GT6 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 1 15:47:46 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 23:47:46 +0200 Subject: [Fot] 2nd action on my rebuild engine.... In-Reply-To: <4D9EC73A08254041B46C0DCB3A79A9DC@gdhs.local> References: <000901cd26a3$38dffae0$aa9ff0a0$@com><1335790323.25276.YahooMailClassic@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000801cd2709$ab4ab000$01e01000$@com> <4D9EC73A08254041B46C0DCB3A79A9DC@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <003101cd27e4$0ee30c40$2ca924c0$@com> Another one.....richer idle jets.....but they're making the engine lazy. Going back lean tomorrow: http://youtu.be/EO88kBJQh9U Cheers Chris From triosan at gmail.com Tue May 1 16:24:31 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 15:24:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mitty who was the driver? Message-ID: Black Spit number 16? -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 1 17:29:02 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:29:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2012 Mitty In-Reply-To: <126288481.2462399.1335906615048.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> References: <126288481.2462399.1335906615048.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: <7615F872-C02E-42CD-A275-061613DA65BD@gdhs.com> Bill... Come join us at the VDCA events at Roebling rd Savannah... 2 more left This year Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 5:10 PM, William T newman wrote: > To All: > Mary and I got back to our home in Florida about 1:00 PM today. Everything still is in good shape, inlcuding the GT6. The Mitty was the best weekend we have had in a long time. I want to thank Kas and Peggy for being there as the guests of honor (thanks Kas for signing my car door on Friday). Thanks to Tim Suddard and his team for their sponsorship of the event, as well as the Vintage Triumph Register ( I enjoyed talking to Mike Cook). > We established many new friendships, most noteably, the Sulkey family, the Alexander family, the Kahlers and all the others of our Triumph Friends. > I had a fun time with Bill Collins, John Hasty and Sean Alexander in the Kastner Cup Race on Saturday. Good job Sean, pasing me before the finish! The Sunday race was also a lot of fun with hard pressure from Bill Collins, Greg Kimbrough and Bob Kramer (Good job Bob, you got me!). > I had a great time and would like to to it again with you folks in Forida. I will be willing to help to set something up at Sebring if anyone is interested. > > Bill Newman > #44 GT6 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue May 1 17:40:36 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] So.... In-Reply-To: <004501cd26c8$51c608e0$f5521aa0$@com> References: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com> <72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com> <004501cd26c8$51c608e0$f5521aa0$@com> Message-ID: Hey - I'll echo the WOW thing. I took about 1700 pix, but there's a lot of "tossers" in there, so it'll be more like 50 or 60 when I'm done. Maybe a bit more than that. Standing at the fence sticking my camera through a hole with various race cars shooting by at speed - THANKYOU SO MUCH FOR THE CREDS, that's one for the bucket list. Thanks to Joe, Henry, Andy Reid and the folks from GRM / Classic Motorsports. To Clark's query "Did anyone see Ric Cline?" I did not. But I am next to positive that I saw Fletcher Willliams walk by Henry's paddock spot, but he didn't stop to chat and I didn't feel like chasing him down for a picture, it was late FRI I think and I was pretty "burnt". I haven't had a chance to see if any of the _FILM_ that I shot worked out, but if so, I'll post a message here and we can figure out if "we" want to do anything with it. On the plus side, if there's a chance to shoot a pano shot at the next FOT event, I'll do it. I promose to be more organized and READY next time. In any case, I'll be sending copies of the the pix to Henry for getting them on the FOT site and I'll likely post some of the better shots on Flickr or SmugMug or Facebook. It is my intention to also post some onfo on what shots I do have and I'll include some instructions on how you can get a shot or shots of your car(s) "royalty free". More on that later. Last - if anyone found a 4 GB CF memory card in the FOT paddock, it's probably the one that I can't seem to find. I'm note 100% sure where I dropped it, but I took it out of the camera THU around noon and have no recollection of seeing it after that, so, I probably left it on a hard surface or it dropped out of my pocket somewhere. In any case, if you found it or saw it, drop me a line. Looking forward to the other RA in 2013. Maybe I'll even have a Triumph there!!! c ya, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 1 17:41:25 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:41:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mitty who was the driver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pay Ryan..... He'I'my opinion Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 6:24 PM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" wrote: > Black Spit number 16? > > -- > Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue May 1 17:45:34 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Mitty who was the driver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The time sheet from the SAT practice says: Patrick Ryan rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1 May 2012, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > Black Spit number 16? > > -- > Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang at isis.mit.edu From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 1 17:46:15 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:46:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mitty who was the driver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0AC76BF2-FF54-4D59-A5A0-DA8EB192E857@gdhs.com> The quickest Spit on the east coast. A bad drive shaft tore up 2 trams this weekend. His normal # is 6 He's from Ashville NC Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 7:41 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Pay Ryan..... He'I'my opinion > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 1, 2012, at 6:24 PM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" wrote: > >> Black Spit number 16? >> >> -- >> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 1 17:48:45 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:48:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mitty who was the driver? In-Reply-To: <0AC76BF2-FF54-4D59-A5A0-DA8EB192E857@gdhs.com> References: <0AC76BF2-FF54-4D59-A5A0-DA8EB192E857@gdhs.com> Message-ID: Wow my Iphone skills are bad Pat Ryan Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 7:46 PM, John Hasty wrote: > The quickest Spit on the east coast. A bad drive shaft tore up 2 trams this weekend. His normal # is 6 He's from Ashville NC > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 1, 2012, at 7:41 PM, John Hasty wrote: > >> Pay Ryan..... He'I'my opinion >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 1, 2012, at 6:24 PM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" wrote: >> >>> Black Spit number 16? >>> >>> -- >>> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From triosan at gmail.com Tue May 1 17:50:39 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 16:50:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] More Mitty Pictures Message-ID: One of each driver, some pairs, groups and people. Not all captions in yet, but wanted to get this posted. https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737711953382744881/5737712256844391666 -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From jason at multivintage.com Tue May 1 17:52:28 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 18:52:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FGR at Road Atlanta (video exclusive) Message-ID: I had always heard about how great Road Atlanta was. Stories were often told around racer's campfires about the parties on the hill and the fierce production car battles that took place at the runoffs. I watched races on T.V. over the years and had prepared for the weekend by analyzing several in car youtube videos. Not surprisingly, the track must be seen and raced to be understood . It really is a fabulous track. Unique (I think) mostly based on its several very fast blind corners and extreme elevation changes. To go fast you must make several leaps of faith... that there will be a track underneath you as plunge downward. The car gets very lite and very heavy and is constantly undulating through quickly changing horizons. Until you are able to figure out where to be on the track in certain areas, it can be quite daunting. Once you figure out where to be, it is quite exhilarating and a fantastic. What a track, what a weekend, what a great group of Triumph fanatics. Anyway, some video should save me 1000's of words. Here we have the final Triumph feature race. Here's the race from mid-pack eventually for 8th place. I'm chasing down Greg Blake(TR3A), Sean Alexander(TR4) and David Cizmas (TR6) I am hounded the whole race by the three spits of Greg Kimbrough, Joe Hovey, and Bill Collins as well as the TR3A of John Hasty. . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMA0T4nflGk&feature=email The last lap charge towards the sweet TR6 in Hot Wheels green livery gave me my best time of the weekend a 1:54.7. Enjoy! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Tue May 1 18:57:41 2012 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jaxon Racing) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 20:57:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] More Mitty Pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57CAB5D7-6DE9-49F9-AEC5-FD6105151C32@yahoo.com> Some excellent photos. And video. Keep them coming !!!! Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 7:50 PM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" wrote: > One of each driver, some pairs, groups and people. Not all captions in > yet, but wanted to get this posted. > > https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737711953382 744881/5737712256844391666 > > -- > Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaxonracing at yahoo.com From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 1 21:43:41 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 22:43:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 race report part 1 of 2 Message-ID: Finished getting my newly built cylinder head working properly with the rest of the race car on Sunday prior to the event at 4:30 pm, still had a few hours to spare... Left Wed AM, arrived Thursday afternoon. The Pro paddock was pretty much completely full at that point. After moving around a bit I finally found a spot by Randy Williams beautifully prepared cars - a TR-3 and a lovely Jag E-type. Friday practice was uneventful for me, but I was able to play with Henry Frye, Mark Wheatley, and George Wright. I was gratified to see that my new head (which had been milled and had a good valve job but no porting) performed well - I could keep up with Henry and Mark on the straights. Saturday was forecast to be fairly hot, but a low cloud cover kept things cool right up until the K-cup race. Qualifying was in cool dense air and the car loved it. Got down to the low 1:51's and qualified 5th. Unfortunately, Henry blew up partway through qualifying. I got two flying laps before they black flagged the session and another couple once they got us going again. For the big race, we had quite a pre-race ceremony. There were high school cheerleaders in their outfits which were stationed by the cars, some of them with British and Grassroots Motorsports flags. There were driver interviews, including yours truly. Afterwards, I was told that I sounded very professional over the PA. Then they gridded us up in the proper spots - Randy Williams was originally put at the back of the pack due to no qualify time (clutch problem?), but they placed him back in 7th or 8th which was about where he'd been running. Good of them to do that. Kas gave the "Gentlemen (I cringed) and Susan (I smiled), Start Your Engines!" to get us going properly. I ended up on the inside of the 3rd row as we came to the green. Tony Garmey in the TR250-K set a starting speed that was perfect for me, I anticipated the green nicely and was gaining ground. Inside was blocked by Mark Wheatley, so I moved up the middle, then worked my way to the outside for turn 1. Got a great run through turn 1 and was in 3rd place by turn 2. Of course, no place to go but down from there... Had a great time trying to hold off Mark Wheatley and George Wright, but they both eventually got by me. Randy passed me like I wasn't even moving on his way to the front. I had been very pleased to be faster than him all weekend - turned out he must have been taking it easy until the race. I ended up in 8th place, with an ear to ear grin. Randy Williams won the Kastner Cup for an inspired drive in a really pretty, well prepared TR-3. Much deserved. to be continued... Tony Drews From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 1 21:44:45 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 22:44:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 race report part 2 of 2 Message-ID: Continued... Sunday's race (scheduled for 4 but actually run at 5) saw fewer cars there but still a decent turn out. It was pretty hot by then. I was on the inside of the 3rd row again at the start with Randy and George in front of me. We had a bit of a faster start, and I didn't get as good of a start this time. I got passed by a TR-6 pretty quickly. He had more motor than me, but I was much quicker in the twisties. I hounded him for a lap and a half and he went too deep into turn 7 coming onto the back straight hurting his entry speed. I nailed the entry and was able to keep alongside him down the straight, outbraking him into the chicane at the end. I carried a ton of speed into the blind entry, downhill, flat out turn 12 (one of the great corners in motor racing) coming onto the front straight, stayed ahead going into the esses after the front straight and gapped out on him nicely. Unfortunately George Wright was just far enough ahead that I couldn't catch up with him and make it more interesting. But, I was keeping up with him and kept finding more speed in the corners. On the social side, Thursday night we ordered in Sonny's barbeque and had pretty much the whole Triumph contingent together for it. I thought that was a great idea! Friday night, the track had a party - I went for a bit, but it was crowded, loud, had lines for everything so I left pretty quickly. I found the Triumph guys had been invited into the private tent for a Lotus 23 racer who had a Semi and motorhome, a crew of 5 or 6, a crew chief, a lovely wife, and a chef cooking fish and chips. They were the best fish and chips I think I've ever had. Since we were racing pretty early Saturday I didn't stay too late. Saturday night I skipped the track party and hung out with Henry, Mark and more of the east coast contingent - Bob Lang was there too. We had burgers on the grill, leftover barbeque chicken, a number of adult beverages and solved the world's problems (not sure I remember the solutions, though). Kas was there, I saw Elliot Forbes Robinson at the track party, Bob Johns (original factory Sebring driver) was there, Bob Tullius was at the trophy presentation, Sam Halkias brought several cars - unfortunately they got dinged up pretty good. We had guys from both coasts, a TON of Triumph street car guys - folks driving and flying in. Awesome. The atmosphere in the Triumph crew was great, and I had a blast. Road Atlanta is a fun track to drive and also a fun track to race head to head on (NOT the same thing). The blind entry to the esses and especially the blind entry at 90 or so heading onto the front straight - I'm guessing that I was doing 105 to 110 through the turn at the bottom of the hill going onto the front straight - are thrilling every time. Tony Drews From emanteno at comcast.net Tue May 1 22:04:12 2012 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 23:04:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] So.... In-Reply-To: References: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com> <72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com> <004501cd26c8$51c608e0$f5521aa0$@com> Message-ID: On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > But I am next to positive that I saw Fletcher Willliams walk by Henry's > paddock spot, but he didn't stop to chat and I didn't feel like chasing him > down for a picture, it was late FRI I think and I was pretty "burnt". > I saw Fletcher Williams visiting with Sam Halkias. A terrific photo opportunity lost because I wasn't packing at the time. It was very cool. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 2 06:52:42 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 14:52:42 +0200 Subject: [Fot] 2nd action on my rebuild engine.... In-Reply-To: <4D9EC73A08254041B46C0DCB3A79A9DC@gdhs.local> References: <000901cd26a3$38dffae0$aa9ff0a0$@com><1335790323.25276.YahooMailClassic@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000801cd2709$ab4ab000$01e01000$@com> <4D9EC73A08254041B46C0DCB3A79A9DC@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <000301cd2862$7a487f50$6ed97df0$@com> Adjustments making progress: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmSUohHeXHM Cheers Chris From triosan at gmail.com Wed May 2 09:30:34 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 08:30:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mitty race start photos Message-ID: Follow this link to see the pregrid and the actual race start. Let me know if you cannot access these. https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737956856713038417 Chuck -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed May 2 11:04:23 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 13:04:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty Message-ID: <4FA16917.4020007@bright.net> Hello lists. The Kastner Cup race was great. Lots of cars, good competition and fun. The Kastner Cup shirt was a hit and many people requested additional shirts. There seems to be enough interest to do one more run of shirts. We are donating a portion of the proceeds from the sale of all the Kastner Cup shirts to Mark Bradakis, the operator and majordomo of all the team.net sites. Mark's efforts benefit all of us in this hobby - racers, restorer's or just plain interested enthusiasts. Even if we don't get a sufficient number of orders, please donate to team.net. Kas likes the idea of Mark getting some extra funds and might be persuaded to autograph your shirt. Details worked out between buyers and Kas. Email Kas at kaskas at cox.net. We have a final order date of close of business, May 14. Tuesday we are go or no/go. Shirts will be $15 for size small through XL. $18 for XXL or XXXL. (price does not include shipping) You need to contact us with your name, shipping address and method of payment - Visa/MasterCard/Discover or send a check - no PayPal. If we have enough orders, shirts will be printed and shipped. If we do not have a sufficient number of orders,your information will be shredded. A minimum of 48 orders is needed. For those who have not seen the shirt, here is a link to view the shirt. http://littlebluespitfire.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=6612 Order early, order often. Thanks for all your support. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US& Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From harmug at us.ibm.com Wed May 2 13:17:37 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 15:17:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Some more pictures from the K cup pre race event and general weekend images. https://picasaweb.google.com/103707539158952448697/TheMitty2012# mike G. Michael Harmuth From BillDentin at aol.com Wed May 2 13:23:27 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 15:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty Message-ID: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> Ted...et al... I wore my FOT shirt on Saturday and my KASTNER CUP shirt on Sunday. At least a dozen people asked me where they could get an FOT shirt. Most of these were either carrying or wearing the KASTNER CUP shirt. I don't know if they walked back up there or not, but I sent all of them back to your vendor stand. Did any show up asking about FOT shirts? Point being, there sure seemed to be some interest in acquiring that shirt as well. Is it still available? I'd take two. Bill Dentinger From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed May 2 13:47:58 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 15:47:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle Message-ID: <4FA18F6E.9090107@bright.net> Hello list. We will be at Import Carlisle. Our space #'s are D50 and D51. If you need anything brought out to the event, free shipping is good, please let us know. We will have gear reduciton starters, steel braided brake and clutch hoses, suspension components and ???. Stop by and say hello. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US& Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From rikrock at live.com Wed May 2 16:40:03 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 18:40:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle In-Reply-To: <4FA18F6E.9090107@bright.net> References: <4FA18F6E.9090107@bright.net> Message-ID: Bill DeWar and I will also be at Carlisle in spaces A-35-39. Assorted TR, TVR, and race-related stuff. Rich Rock From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 2 17:01:52 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 19:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty In-Reply-To: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks to Ted, Steve, and Marty's efforts. The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: tedtsimx ; FOT ; triumphs ; nass ; spitfires ; 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net>; tr8 Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 3:35 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty Ted...et al... I wore my FOT shirt on Saturday and my KASTNER CUP shirt on Sunday. At least a dozen people asked me where they could get an FOT shirt. Most of these were either carrying or wearing the KASTNER CUP shirt. I don't know if they walked back up there or not, but I sent all of them back to your vendor stand. Did any show up asking about FOT shirts? Point being, there sure seemed to be some interest in acquiring that shirt as well. Is it still available? I'd take two. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From westerneagleracing at att.net Wed May 2 17:23:03 2012 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 16:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank Message-ID: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> FOT, I am having the engine in my TR4A race car rebuilt. Are there any alternatives to a billet crank? We are looking for about 150hp (not a super powerful 170-190). Thanks. Western Eagle Racing/Ron Jacobs From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed May 2 17:56:35 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 19:56:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle References: <4FA18F6E.9090107@bright.net> Message-ID: Ted, what's the date on that? Thanks, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Schumacher" To: ; "FOT" ; "TR list" ; "TR8 CCCA Listing" ; "6-Pack" <6pack at autox.team.net>; Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 3:47 PM Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle > Hello list. We will be at Import Carlisle. Our space #'s are D50 and D51. > If you need anything brought out to the event, free shipping is good, > please let us know. We will have gear reduciton starters, steel braided > brake and clutch hoses, suspension components and ???. Stop by and say > hello. Thanks, Ted > > -- > Ted Schumacher > tedtsimx at bright.net > http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com > 108 S. Jefferson St. > Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 > Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) > Phone: 800.543.6648 (US& Canada) > Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 2 18:20:41 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 20:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank In-Reply-To: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CEF6D9B4D6D5F5-1CAC-2CC9C@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> We ran 19 years without having a broken crank. Without any special preparation. Now we have a billet crank, but only because we came into a 'cracked' billet crank. I was going to make another end table out of. It sat unprotected on a pallet in a storage shed for about 4 years, when I decided to get a 'second opinion'. It was pronounced 'good' AT TWO DIFFERENT MACHINE SHOPS. Otherwise we would still be running a stock crank. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: westerneagleracing To: fot Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 6:52 pm Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank FOT, I am having the engine in my TR4A race car rebuilt. Are there any alternatives to a billet crank? We are looking for about 150hp (not a super powerful 170-190). Thanks. Western Eagle Racing/Ron Jacobs _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From billdentin at aol.com Wed May 2 18:47:18 2012 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 20:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty In-Reply-To: <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CEF6DD6CD63276-2348-25C32@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks to Ted, Steve, and Marty's efforts. The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. Joe..et all... I did not know that. Bill Dentinger PS Probably a Good Rule, but seems somewhat out of character for this group. I am not suggesting a change! From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 2 18:51:15 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 20:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty In-Reply-To: <8CEF6DD6CD63276-2348-25C32@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> <8CEF6DD6CD63276-2348-25C32@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CEF6DDF9F2ACCC-1CAC-2CFD4@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> It makes us feel special, having our own shirt. It sets us apart. If you dont have one, you should. Although there is no rule that says you have to have one. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: billdentin To: n197tr4 ; tedtsimx ; FOT Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 7:47 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks to Ted, Steve, and Marty's efforts. The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. Joe..et all... I did not know that. Bill Dentinger PS Probably a Good Rule, but seems somewhat out of character for this group. I am not suggesting a change! From mnewman at embarqmail.com Wed May 2 18:52:34 2012 From: mnewman at embarqmail.com (William T newman) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 20:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <132706727.2505999.1336005922224.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: <109237921.2506197.1336006354676.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Hello List: I would like to nominate my good friend Gary Maue for membership in our mostly organized group. Gary is an autocrosser of note and is the current owner of the Ro-Spit that he purchased from Tim Suddard. He also has a very nice Spitfire 1500 along with a few old Minis. Do we have a second? Bill Newman #44 GT6 From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed May 2 19:23:39 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (tedtsimx at bright.net) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 21:23:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty In-Reply-To: <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <251f8b21-d80c-4cba-9cda-287737d1a30e@blur> Joe, et al. Total agreement with FOT staying "inside" the group. Not sure if there is enough interest to do another run of FOT t.shirts. Ted Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Joe Alexander To: BillDentin at aol.com, tedtsimx at bright.net, FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 23:01:52 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks to Ted, Steve, and Marty's efforts. The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: tedtsimx ; FOT ; triumphs ; nass ; spitfires ; 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net>; tr8 Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 3:35 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty Ted...et al... I wore my FOT shirt on Saturday and my KASTNER CUP shirt on Sunday. At least a dozen people asked me where they could get an FOT shirt. Most of these were either carrying or wearing the KASTNER CUP shirt. I don't know if they walked back up there or not, but I sent all of them back to your vendor stand. Did any show up asking about FOT shirts? Point being, there sure seemed to be some interest in acquiring that shirt as well. Is it still available? I'd take two. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed May 2 19:57:12 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 21:57:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: Seconded. The Ro-spit is reason enough, but another Spit and Minis? Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad William T newman wrote: >Hello List: >I would like to nominate my good friend Gary Maue for membership in our mostly organized group. Gary is an autocrosser of note and is the current owner of the Ro-Spit that he purchased from Tim Suddard. He also has a very nice Spitfire 1500 along with a few old Minis. >Do we have a second? > >Bill Newman #44 GT6 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From jason at multivintage.com Wed May 2 20:01:35 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 21:01:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty In-Reply-To: <8CEF6DDF9F2ACCC-1CAC-2CFD4@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> <8CEF6DD6CD63276-2348-25C32@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> <8CEF6DDF9F2ACCC-1CAC-2CFD4@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Clearly, above all others, FOT is THE Triumph racing group. Or Non group. Even my Mitty crew chief, Brian laughs and has started his own group... Friends of Friends of Triumph. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > It makes us feel special, having our own shirt. > > It sets us apart. > > If you dont have one, you should. > > Although there is no rule that says you have to have one. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: billdentin > To: n197tr4 ; tedtsimx ; FOT > > Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 7:47 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty > > > > > The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks > to Ted, > Steve, and Marty's efforts. > > The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. > > I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. > > > > > > Joe..et all... > > I did not know that. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS Probably a Good Rule, but seems somewhat out of character for this > group. > I am not suggesting a change! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed May 2 20:16:44 2012 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 19:16:44 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty Message-ID: <13220485.1336011404387.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I wear my FOT shirt when I go underneath my TR3. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Joe Alexander >Sent: May 2, 2012 5:51 PM >To: billdentin at aol.com, tedtsimx at bright.net, FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty > > It makes us feel special, having our own shirt. > >It sets us apart. > >If you dont have one, you should. > >Although there is no rule that says you have to have one. > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: billdentin >To: n197tr4 ; tedtsimx ; FOT > >Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 7:47 pm >Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty > > > > >The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks to Ted, >Steve, and Marty's efforts. > >The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. > >I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. > > > > > >Joe..et all... > >I did not know that. > >Bill Dentinger > >PS Probably a Good Rule, but seems somewhat out of character for this group. >I am not suggesting a change! >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From tony at tonydrews.com Wed May 2 20:42:19 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 21:42:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank In-Reply-To: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: As I understand it, the stock crank will live pretty much forever if you shift at 5,000 RPM. If well prepared (good radius between bearing surfaces and the rest of the crank, possibly nitrided as well), it will live a number of seasons shifting at 5,500 RPM. When you start running it to 6,000 RPM, that's when the longevity drops pretty quickly - a season or two is about it before the #4 journal section goes. Some last longer than others. Sometimes when it goes it doesn't take out much else, sometimes it kills the block and a rod or two. Tony Drews At 06:23 PM 5/2/2012, westerneagleracing at att.net wrote: >FOT, >I am having the engine in my TR4A race car rebuilt. Are there any >alternatives >to a billet crank? We are looking for about 150hp (not a super >powerful >170-190). >Thanks. >Western Eagle Racing/Ron Jacobs >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed May 2 20:43:21 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 22:43:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <109237921.2506197.1336006354676.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> References: <132706727.2505999.1336005922224.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com>, <109237921.2506197.1336006354676.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: Second! I was wondering what happened to that Spit. Welcome to the group Gary. Marty > Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 20:52:34 -0400 > From: mnewman at embarqmail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > CC: maueman at yahoo.com > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > Hello List: > I would like to nominate my good friend Gary Maue for membership in our mostly organized group. Gary is an autocrosser of note and is the current owner of the Ro-Spit that he purchased from Tim Suddard. He also has a very nice Spitfire 1500 along with a few old Minis. > Do we have a second? > > Bill Newman #44 GT6 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Wed May 2 22:29:17 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 21:29:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank In-Reply-To: <20120503032220.50C782D02E0@autox.team.net> References: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120503032220.50C782D02E0@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4FA2099D.5060306@gmail.com> On 5/2/12 7:42 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > As I understand it, the stock crank will live pretty much forever if > you shift at 5,000 RPM. If well prepared (good radius between bearing > surfaces and the rest of the crank, possibly nitrided as well), it > will live a number of seasons shifting at 5,500 RPM. When you start > running it to 6,000 RPM, that's when the longevity drops pretty > quickly - a season or two is about it before the #4 journal section > goes. Some last longer than others. Sometimes when it goes it > doesn't take out much else, sometimes it kills the block and a rod or > two. > > Tony Drews I don't remember the RPMs and I can't find them in my notes so my numbers will be a little iffy. The way I heard it is that stock granks hold up well below the 5000 RPM red line. A little above 5000 RPM (5200ish?) there is a strong harmonic that tends to break the crank at the base of the flywheel mounting flange. The common way to tame this harmonic is with an aftermarket harmonic dampener. At full acceleration I commonly shift at 6000 RPM. My crank has a dampener & is nitrided and has held up well so far. It is my understanding that there is a second major harmonic around 6200 to 6400ish RPMs that wants to break the crank in the middle. I stay away from that harmonic because I don't think even a nitrided crank would hold up to that one for long. Wishing I could find my notes on the subect, Teriann From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed May 2 23:22:41 2012 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 22:22:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank References: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, a properly prepared, nitrided, stock crank is good for 6800 rpm and 160 hp for a long time with light rods, pistons, and an aluminum flywheel with a diaphragm clutch. It does not need a damper on the front. It does need nice radiuses on all of the journals, a good balance, and nitriding is essential. Greg Solow From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 3 00:03:56 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 00:03:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty In-Reply-To: <251f8b21-d80c-4cba-9cda-287737d1a30e@blur> References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> <251f8b21-d80c-4cba-9cda-287737d1a30e@blur> Message-ID: <4FA21FCC.30901@bradakis.com> I'm wearing this year's shirt as I sit here going through email. mjb. From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Thu May 3 00:00:52 2012 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 16:00:52 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank In-Reply-To: <4FA2099D.5060306@gmail.com> References: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120503032220.50C782D02E0@autox.team.net> <4FA2099D.5060306@gmail.com> Message-ID: TeriAnn, You are absolutely correct about wanting to stay away from any crankshafts natural frequency. Operating in this range will induce crankshaft 'whip' and severe bending moments into the crankshaft. Breaking the crank somewhere in the middle is quite typical of this failure mode as the nose of the crank and the rear of the crank are bending 180 degrees out of phase with each other. Flywheel bolts that shear as a result of stretching is another indicator you are in the natural frequency zone. No amount of nitriding or any other surface treatment known to mankind will stop it breaking. Lots of racing boat people learn this lesson quickly! Trying to run at a set RPM range that coincides with the cranks natural frequency! Extremely expensive mistake when it can be avoided by operating a few hundred RPM higher or lower! Cheers... Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Thursday, 3 May 2012 2:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 crank On 5/2/12 7:42 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > As I understand it, the stock crank will live pretty much forever if > you shift at 5,000 RPM. If well prepared (good radius between bearing > surfaces and the rest of the crank, possibly nitrided as well), it > will live a number of seasons shifting at 5,500 RPM. When you start > running it to 6,000 RPM, that's when the longevity drops pretty > quickly - a season or two is about it before the #4 journal section > goes. Some last longer than others. Sometimes when it goes it > doesn't take out much else, sometimes it kills the block and a rod or > two. > > Tony Drews I don't remember the RPMs and I can't find them in my notes so my numbers will be a little iffy. The way I heard it is that stock granks hold up well below the 5000 RPM red line. A little above 5000 RPM (5200ish?) there is a strong harmonic that tends to break the crank at the base of the flywheel mounting flange. The common way to tame this harmonic is with an aftermarket harmonic dampener. At full acceleration I commonly shift at 6000 RPM. My crank has a dampener & is nitrided and has held up well so far. It is my understanding that there is a second major harmonic around 6200 to 6400ish RPMs that wants to break the crank in the middle. I stay away from that harmonic because I don't think even a nitrided crank would hold up to that one for long. Wishing I could find my notes on the subect, Teriann _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic at netspace.net.au From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 3 00:12:11 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 00:12:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Neat car Message-ID: <4FA221BB.2020206@bradakis.com> I actually meant to add more to that last message. As those of you who are on the main Team.Net triumph list know, the fellow who owns TS1 brought it into the shop for an oil change. It was neat to have such an interesting car to work on. Actually Ricky did most of the work, I stood there drooling and taking a few pictures. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 3 01:05:56 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 07:05:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank Message-ID: Hi, I run a stock crank too. I use revs up to 6400 (rev limiter) but in most cases I shift around 6200. I got benefit of a light aluminium pulley on front and a 6 kg light flywheel / clutch unit. I found very tiny cracks at main 2 and 4 but we managed to grind them away. The crank is in my current race engine. I would say a stock crank is a good unit when to keep eyes on cracks and stay below 6800. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Thu May 3 04:15:37 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 06:15:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Powermax/Hepolite pistons Message-ID: <4FA25AC9.9010200@cfl.rr.com> Can anyone tell me if the Powermax/Hepolite pistons of the 70's and 80's are cast or forged? thxx, Bob From bkahler1 at gmail.com Thu May 3 05:20:38 2012 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 07:20:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) Message-ID: Amici, Are any of you Spitfire drivers using Quarter Master clutches on your race cars? If so what can you tell me about them? Anything special that would be nice to know before buying? We're thinking about switching to a Quarter Master flywheel and it is set up for their clutches only. Thanks, Brad From fogbro1 at comcast.net Thu May 3 05:23:45 2012 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 11:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR Cranks Message-ID: <1814940082.1107873.1336044225332.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Joe, Stock cranks will break at under 3000 rpm late Sunday night in the middle of Nowhere, Georgia, leaving you to continue your ride in a 544 Volvo driven by an itinerant cowboy, accompanied by his acoustic guitar. Good to see you this past weekend. Beautiful car. Ed From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 3 05:32:01 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 07:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR Cranks In-Reply-To: <1814940082.1107873.1336044225332.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1814940082.1107873.1336044225332.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CEF7377DF18608-2334-B39@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> Was there a banjo involved? Did you start to hear DUELING BANJOS? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: fogbro1 To: Joe Alexander Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Thu, May 3, 2012 6:23 am Subject: TR Cranks Joe, Stock cranks will break at under 3000 rpm late Sunday night in the middle of Nowhere, Georgia, leaving you to continue your ride in a 544 Volvo driven by an itinerant cowboy, accompanied by his acoustic guitar. Good to see you this past weekend. Beautiful car. Ed From maueman at yahoo.com Thu May 3 06:50:45 2012 From: maueman at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?bWF1ZW1hbkB5YWhvby5jb20=?=) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 08:50:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Nomination?= Message-ID: <693560.92419.bm@smtp101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks guys. Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! ----- Reply message ----- From: "Doug Mitchell" Date: Wed, May 2, 2012 9:57 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination To: "William T newman" Cc: "Fot" , Seconded. The Ro-spit is reason enough, but another Spit and Minis? Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad William T newman wrote: >Hello List: >I would like to nominate my good friend Gary Maue for membership in our mostly organized group. Gary is an autocrosser of note and is the current owner of the Ro-Spit that he purchased from Tim Suddard. He also has a very nice Spitfire 1500 along with a few old Minis. >Do we have a second? > >Bill Newman #44 GT6 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu May 3 06:57:32 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 08:57:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA? In-Reply-To: <007501cd2169$a703f6f0$f50be4d0$@com> References: <007501cd2169$a703f6f0$f50be4d0$@com> Message-ID: that "Beady Eye" crew still has the bicycle style steering wheel next to their comunications device, I want ask what the hand levers do ! On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > The Media Center is in the tower across the track from the infield pits > (last I knew, upper levels). Whether they will have WiFi up and running > you'll need to contact Road Atlanta. > > Otherwise the office building near the outfield entrance should have it, > whether it is open to everyone is a good question. > > Another option may be if one of the FOT has a cell phone/data plan that can > provide a "hot-spot" > > Aren't they using transponders for timing/scoring? Technology is in use. > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Thu May 3 08:16:03 2012 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don TR) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 10:16:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Neat car References: <4FA221BB.2020206@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <97802FA417DE4B28AC32930632CA4909@don> TS1 is really a very special car. I saw it in Auburn Indiana at TRA just after Joe Richards had completed its restoration. TS2 is another very special TR. Last summer, I was fortunate to drive TS2 for 23 days through England and Wales for a total of 2088 miles. I took it to the Antique Car Show at Newby Hall in Yorkshire, drove it four runs up the Harewood Hillclimb and attended the TR Register International Weekend in Harrogate (estimated 450 TRs of all kinds) where I was asked to lead the parade of International TRs. That was dream come true. Don Elliott, Original Owner, 1958 TR3A, Montreal ----------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 2:12 AM Subject: [Fot] Neat car >I actually meant to add more to that last message. As those of you > who are on the main Team.Net triumph list know, the fellow who owns > TS1 brought it into the shop for an oil change. It was neat to have > such an interesting car to work on. Actually Ricky did most of the > work, I stood there drooling and taking a few pictures. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu May 3 10:35:53 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 12:35:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank In-Reply-To: <20120503073746.9E5172D0879@autox.team.net> References: <20120503073746.9E5172D0879@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <323DC6BB895E46F492ABBDA3D5C3FD11@gdhs.local> Me too.....6000rpm John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 3:06 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 crank Hi, I run a stock crank too. I use revs up to 6400 (rev limiter) but in most cases I shift around 6200. I got benefit of a light aluminium pulley on front and a 6 kg light flywheel / clutch unit. I found very tiny cracks at main 2 and 4 but we managed to grind them away. The crank is in my current race engine. I would say a stock crank is a good unit when to keep eyes on cracks and stay below 6800. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed May 2 20:26:29 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 22:26:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FGR at Road Atlanta (video exclusive) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38D8EE83-3C2B-463A-BB95-E85D2D82C5A2@gdhs.com> Wow Jason just 3rd & 4th ... If I knew how to put my video on utube you could see e what it's like in a 4 banger. Turn 1 4 th turn 2 is 3rd turn 4 is 4 th through tunn 4 tturn 6 is 3 rd turn 7 is 3 rd & then to 3 rd O D back to 3rd for 8 is 2nd turn 9 on back straight is 5 th ( od) 10 & 10a is 2nd turn 11 is 3rd turn 12 is 4th & then 5 th (od) & back to 4th in 1 I ' ll try & see if the young guys in the office cac put it on youtube Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 7:52 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > I had always heard about how great Road Atlanta was. Stories were often > told around racer's campfires about the parties on the hill and the fierce > production car battles that took place at the runoffs. I watched races on > T.V. over the years and had prepared for the weekend by analyzing several > in car youtube videos. > Not surprisingly, the track must be seen and raced to be understood . > It really is a fabulous track. Unique (I think) mostly based on its several > very fast blind corners and extreme elevation changes. > To go fast you must make several leaps of faith... that there will be a > track underneath you as plunge downward. The car gets very lite and very > heavy and is constantly undulating through quickly changing horizons. > Until you are able to figure out where to be on the track in certain areas, > it can be quite daunting. > Once you figure out where to be, it is quite exhilarating and a fantastic. > What a track, what a weekend, what a great group of Triumph fanatics. > > Anyway, some video should save me 1000's of words. Here we have the final > Triumph feature race. > > Here's the race from mid-pack eventually for 8th place. > I'm chasing down Greg Blake(TR3A), Sean Alexander(TR4) and David Cizmas > (TR6) > I am hounded the whole race by the three spits of Greg Kimbrough, Joe > Hovey, and Bill Collins as well as the TR3A of John Hasty. > . > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMA0T4nflGk&feature=email > > The last lap charge towards the sweet TR6 in Hot Wheels green livery gave > me my best time of the weekend a 1:54.7. > > Enjoy! > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu May 3 10:42:45 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 12:42:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was looking at the various Spit engines in the paddock but I forgot to ask what kind of headers people were using. My car came with a set of Tri-Y and I replaced them with a new set two years ago. My understanding is these style help with low to mid range power. After getting passed, at a very good clip, on the RA straights last weekend, I'm looking at ways to get more power and still have the car SCCA H-Prod legal. Headers / exhaust system are one of the few areas where Prep level 2 engines are given free range. I'm thinking about a 4->1 style, like a Stahl, which I heard is better for top end. Any input is appreciated. thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth From gasket.works at gte.net Thu May 3 12:42:41 2012 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 18:42:41 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1530600928-1336070562-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-803338926-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> I purchased the individual Stahl pre-bent tubes, made my own flange and built my own header. 4 into one. Then used burns stainless collector (non-stainless). Fun to do if you can weld. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: George Harmuth Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 12:42:45 To: Subject: [Fot] Headers I was looking at the various Spit engines in the paddock but I forgot to ask what kind of headers people were using. My car came with a set of Tri-Y and I replaced them with a new set two years ago. My understanding is these style help with low to mid range power. After getting passed, at a very good clip, on the RA straights last weekend, I'm looking at ways to get more power and still have the car SCCA H-Prod legal. Headers / exhaust system are one of the few areas where Prep level 2 engines are given free range. I'm thinking about a 4->1 style, like a Stahl, which I heard is better for top end. Any input is appreciated. thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net From spitfiresuz at 141.com Thu May 3 13:15:11 2012 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:15:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Headers Message-ID: <380-22012543191511863@M2W132.mail2web.com> The Stahl is supposed to provide better flow but the bell housing needs to be modified (ground down) to let it pass. We're running a Stahl right now, and I have no quarrels with it. Just don't wrap it with header tape--if you feel the need to do something to it for heat issues, ceramic coating would probably be the way to go. Keep Triumphing, Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: George Harmuth harmug at us.ibm.com Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 12:42:45 -0400 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Headers I was looking at the various Spit engines in the paddock but I forgot to ask what kind of headers people were using. My car came with a set of Tri-Y and I replaced them with a new set two years ago. My understanding is these style help with low to mid range power. After getting passed, at a very good clip, on the RA straights last weekend, I'm looking at ways to get more power and still have the car SCCA H-Prod legal. Headers / exhaust system are one of the few areas where Prep level 2 engines are given free range. I'm thinking about a 4->1 style, like a Stahl, which I heard is better for top end. Any input is appreciated. thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From rocky at spitfire4.com Thu May 3 13:39:32 2012 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 14:39:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) References: Message-ID: <2A90151941A64CB48DAB418E5012B377@rocky> After I chewed up a flywheel/clutch, my engine builder hung a Quartermaster on my car. We did have some difficulties getting it to work right at first, eventually traced not to the Quartermaster setup but to the throwout arm/bearing in my bellhousing. Once we finally got that chased down, the QM has worked fine. But it is a bit of an on/off switch, to the point I find it difficult to drive the car on the trailer. So now we usually push it on, which with at least two pushing ain't so hard. --Rocky Entriken #4 Spitfire (HP race, GP solo) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 6:20 AM Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) > Amici, > > Are any of you Spitfire drivers using Quarter Master clutches on your race > cars? If so what can you tell me about them? Anything special that would > be nice to know before buying? > > We're thinking about switching to a Quarter Master flywheel and it is set > up for their clutches only. > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 3 13:48:06 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank In-Reply-To: <323DC6BB895E46F492ABBDA3D5C3FD11@gdhs.local> References: <20120503073746.9E5172D0879@autox.team.net> <323DC6BB895E46F492ABBDA3D5C3FD11@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <8CEF77CCB69D886-1824-2B29B@Webmail-d118.sysops.aol.com> With the Larry Young designed cam, power comes on much earlier, and shift points much lower. A well done crank as Greg and others describe improves the probability of sustained life. But something tells me that material and process quality at 'birth' will impact the outcomes. It appears, too, that even billet cranks are subject to failure...... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: john hasty To: tr4racing ; fot Sent: Thu, May 3, 2012 12:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 crank Me too.....6000rpm John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 3:06 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 crank Hi, I run a stock crank too. I use revs up to 6400 (rev limiter) but in most cases I shift around 6200. I got benefit of a light aluminium pulley on front and a 6 kg light flywheel / clutch unit. I found very tiny cracks at main 2 and 4 but we managed to grind them away. The crank is in my current race engine. I would say a stock crank is a good unit when to keep eyes on cracks and stay below 6800. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jason at multivintage.com Thu May 3 14:06:37 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:06:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FGR at Road Atlanta (video exclusive) In-Reply-To: <38D8EE83-3C2B-463A-BB95-E85D2D82C5A2@gdhs.com> References: <38D8EE83-3C2B-463A-BB95-E85D2D82C5A2@gdhs.com> Message-ID: Love to see your video John, You were really putting on the pressure for a while. As far as using only 3rd and 4th...my stock trans is the week link of the GT6. the use of 2nd gear usually results in expensive grinding noises. Even with my intentionally limited shifting, I am only able to get an average of 3 race weekends out of a "fresh" stock gearbox. On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:26 PM, John Hasty wrote: > "Wow Jason just 3rd & 4th ... > I ' ll try & see if the young guys in the office can put it on youtube" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Thu May 3 14:25:23 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 16:25:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Mitty... Message-ID: I too, say thanks to all that made it happen. Now I have a much better idea of how much work goes into pulling off one of these big events, and it is not easy! Kudos to Joe Alexander for spearheading this project and making the annual Kastner Cup happen for us. While I am passing out thanks, everybody who was there needs to thank Tim Suddard, sometimes TR3 racer and the guy behind Classic Motorsports who made sure we felt like the featured marque all weekend! Behind Tim was Andy Reid, my contact to get everything we needed for a great time. These guys really did right by us, and I say thanks for everything! While I did not get to race my car in the Kastner Cup because of a somewhat minor malfunction, I was honored to have the chance to drive the most Vintage car in the field, Bill Dentinger's Frog Blue TR3. Thanks, Bill, that was a very memorable drive in a fabulous car! The tow was long, but well worth it, even if I came home with a car that needs a little repair. I have the engine apart, and have determined this is a little more than JB Weld is going to handle... Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com From malaboge at aol.com Thu May 3 14:28:30 2012 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 16:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Powermax/Hepolite pistons In-Reply-To: <4FA25AC9.9010200@cfl.rr.com> References: <4FA25AC9.9010200@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <8CEF782705D7652-2074-2A902@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com> Bob- Those pistons are cast. What are you tryin to build...and more importantly how far ya gonna rev that puppy? I've used those pistons in quite a few motors "back in the day" and with an "F" cam ya really wound it up...never had a problem with the pistons. Well actually had several problems with the pistons breaking, but it was usually because the remnants of the rod impacted the side of the skirts! Type cast myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Bob Davis To: fot Sent: Thu, May 3, 2012 3:43 am Subject: [Fot] Powermax/Hepolite pistons Can anyone tell me if the Powermax/Hepolite pistons of the 70's and 80's re cast or forged? thxx, ob ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu May 3 14:36:02 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:36:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Headers In-Reply-To: <380-22012543191511863@M2W132.mail2web.com> References: <380-22012543191511863@M2W132.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8E6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Based on my conversations with Susan's crew chief and head backhoe operator, the use of a Stahl in a Spitfire also requires some pretty good changes to the frame and right-side suspension upright. The frame lip on the right side of the engine has to be cut almost entirely away, as well as much of the rear lip on the inner portion of the suspension upright. The frame may also need notching at the collector depending on what collector you're using. Scott (B.) Headed for VSCDA's "Spring Break" weekend at Gingerman in 10 hours and 26 minutes. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spitfiresuz at 141.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 2:15 PM To: harmug at us.ibm.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Headers The Stahl is supposed to provide better flow but the bell housing needs to be modified (ground down) to let it pass. We're running a Stahl right now, and I have no quarrels with it. Just don't wrap it with header tape--if you feel the need to do something to it for heat issues, ceramic coating would probably be the way to go. Keep Triumphing, Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: George Harmuth harmug at us.ibm.com Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 12:42:45 -0400 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Headers I was looking at the various Spit engines in the paddock but I forgot to ask what kind of headers people were using. My car came with a set of Tri-Y and I replaced them with a new set two years ago. My understanding is these style help with low to mid range power. After getting passed, at a very good clip, on the RA straights last weekend, I'm looking at ways to get more power and still have the car SCCA H-Prod legal. Headers / exhaust system are one of the few areas where Prep level 2 engines are given free range. I'm thinking about a 4->1 style, like a Stahl, which I heard is better for top end. Any input is appreciated. thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 3 15:14:24 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 21:14:24 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) Message-ID: I use a Tilton unit. Nice thing and very quick shifting. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 3 15:24:43 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 21:24:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] First season's race @ Zandvoort Message-ID: Facing the first race in two weeks. More than 40 cars on the grid. Will be fun - I hope. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From gasket.works at gte.net Thu May 3 15:50:06 2012 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 21:50:06 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Crank calls Message-ID: <1358546017-1336081807-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1514876778-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> interesting crank photos on fot site. www.Fot-racing.com/cranks/crankshafts.htm There you will see three versions. The other two billet versions (moldex and some UK billet) are not pictured. The moldex design is as original save for being a machined chunk of good steel. Same with the other uk version. The end on view shows Crower version of our first design of "false" main. 55lbs. The latest and best is the lightest and has super oiling improvements. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From rek46 at aol.com Thu May 3 16:29:04 2012 From: rek46 at aol.com (=?utf-8?B?cmVrNDZAYW9sLmNvbQ==?=) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 18:29:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Quarter_Master_clutches_=28spitfire=29?= Message-ID: <201205032229.q43MT8bg030695@imr-da03.mx.aol.com> Wht size clutch?....I run the QM 5 1/2,woith single disc ppro rally disc..domt use tje dbl disc metallic,unless yu like drag racing Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! ----- Reply message ----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Date: Thu, May 3, 2012 5:14 pm Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) To: "Friends of Triumph" I use a Tilton unit. Nice thing and very quick shifting. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 3 16:35:34 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 00:35:34 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) In-Reply-To: <201205032229.q43MT8bg030695@imr-da03.mx.aol.com> References: <201205032229.q43MT8bg030695@imr-da03.mx.aol.com> Message-ID: <001301cd297d$103f09f0$30bd1dd0$@com> It is a 7 B I use a Tilton unit. Nice thing and very quick shifting. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Thu May 3 17:09:41 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 17:09:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FGR at Road Atlanta (video exclusive) In-Reply-To: References: <38D8EE83-3C2B-463A-BB95-E85D2D82C5A2@gdhs.com> Message-ID: Those of us that attended the race in Topeka have seen Jason's transmission R&R skills firsthand. Impressive. Is there a fix for this? Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On May 3, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Love to see your video John, You were really putting on the pressure for a > while. > As far as using only 3rd and 4th...my stock trans is the week link of the > GT6. > the use of 2nd gear usually results in expensive grinding noises. > Even with my intentionally limited shifting, I am only able to get an > average of 3 race weekends out of a "fresh" stock gearbox. > > > > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:26 PM, John Hasty wrote: > >> "Wow Jason just 3rd & 4th ... > > > >> I ' ll try & see if the young guys in the office can put it on youtube" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From rek46 at aol.com Thu May 3 17:14:50 2012 From: rek46 at aol.com (=?utf-8?B?cmVrNDZAYW9sLmNvbQ==?=) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 19:14:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Quarter_Master_clutches_=28spitfire=29?= Message-ID: <201205032314.q43NEu8k001131@imr-da06.mx.aol.com> Agree...i use a houseman/toyota comp tranny mod...un breakable Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! ----- Reply message ----- From: "MadMarx" Date: Thu, May 3, 2012 6:35 pm Subject: AW: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) To: , "'Friends of Triumph'" From jkhagen at charter.net Thu May 3 17:51:07 2012 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] The Mitty... Message-ID: <16e0a4ff.13f84e.137151d413f.Webtop.45@charter.net> Was the MOST vintage car there Pat Starrs' -same car same guy since 1960!--Watch for article fron Classics. JTH On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:25 PM, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: > I too, say thanks to all that made it happen. Now I have a much better > idea of how much work goes into pulling off one of these big events, > and it is not easy! Kudos to Joe Alexander for spearheading this > project and making the annual Kastner Cup happen for us. While I am > passing out thanks, everybody who was there needs to thank Tim > Suddard, sometimes TR3 racer and the guy behind Classic Motorsports > who made sure we felt like the featured marque all weekend! Behind Tim > was Andy Reid, my contact to get everything we needed for a great > time. These guys really did right by us, and I say thanks for > everything! > > While I did not get to race my car in the Kastner Cup because of a > somewhat minor malfunction, I was honored to have the chance to drive > the most Vintage car in the field, Bill Dentinger's Frog Blue TR3. > Thanks, Bill, that was a very memorable drive in a fabulous car! > > The tow was long, but well worth it, even if I came home with a car > that needs a little repair. I have the engine apart, and have > determined this is a little more than JB Weld is going to handle... > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From gasket.works at gte.net Thu May 3 17:57:00 2012 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 23:57:00 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches tr4 Message-ID: <1711067698-1336089421-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1365160362-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> I use dble disk 7.25 and with custom home built quartermaster hydraulic throw out bearing. Shifts easy, fast and no slip. No issue with Close ratio stock gear box. Works like a charm. M ------Original Message------ From: rek46 at aol.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: tr4racing at googlemail.com To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) Sent: May 3, 2012 3:29 PM Wht size clutch?....I run the QM 5 1/2,woith single disc ppro rally disc..domt use tje dbl disc metallic,unless yu like drag racing Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! ----- Reply message ----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Date: Thu, May 3, 2012 5:14 pm Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) To: "Friends of Triumph" I use a Tilton unit. Nice thing and very quick shifting. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From jason at multivintage.com Thu May 3 19:00:27 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 20:00:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FGR at Road Atlanta (video exclusive) In-Reply-To: References: <38D8EE83-3C2B-463A-BB95-E85D2D82C5A2@gdhs.com> Message-ID: There are several fixes. My key to even considering running the stock gearbox is my trick clutch (Tilton double disk 7.25)/ flywheel (custom) and larger throwout bearing (modified TR6). The best solution I suppose would be a full race setup... I saw a nice one in Mike Munson's TR6, and Sam H's SCCA set-up is rather solid....But these are very expensive gearboxes. Next there are several 5 speed conversions available that work very well. These are about 1/2 the price of a full race dog box. and give an extra gear beyond stock. Technically, neither of the above are legal for most period correct preparations but people get away with it (and rightly so because the only alternative is wasted $). To be more toward legal (for most organizations) it would come down to a TR4 or TR6 in which you can get away with super secret trick set of close ratio gears... which I imagine is rather nice. For now, I keep a fresh spare stock one all ready to go in my truck and have learned to simply do a full rebuild every couple races to avoid colossal failure. For later... I've been doing some research and talking with some VIP and will hopefully have something better soon. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing .. On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com < Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com> wrote: > Those of us that attended the race in Topeka have seen Jason's > transmission R&R skills firsthand. Impressive. Is there a fix for this? > > Ty > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > > On May 3, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > Love to see your video John, You were really putting on the pressure for > a > > while. > > As far as using only 3rd and 4th...my stock trans is the week link of the > > GT6. > > the use of 2nd gear usually results in expensive grinding noises. > > Even with my intentionally limited shifting, I am only able to get an > > average of 3 race weekends out of a "fresh" stock gearbox. > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:26 PM, John Hasty wrote: > > > >> "Wow Jason just 3rd & 4th ... > > > > > > > >> I ' ll try & see if the young guys in the office can put it on youtube" > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From igofaster at att.net Thu May 3 20:48:05 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] blog? Message-ID: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... Bobby From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 3 22:16:27 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 22:16:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FA3581B.2070700@bradakis.com> Bought any new cars lately? mjb. From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Thu May 3 22:48:19 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 21:48:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank calls In-Reply-To: <1358546017-1336081807-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1514876778-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <1358546017-1336081807-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1514876778-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <001501cd29b1$20a3fa60$0601a8c0@randall> > The end on view shows Crower version of our first design of > "false" main. 55lbs. The latest and best is the lightest and > has super oiling improvements. Just to hurt my feelings, Mordy, what does one of those go for? Could I buy a classic Porsche for that money, or just another Triumph? -- Randall From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri May 4 03:56:54 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 05:56:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0882D17074C04817A9FB71A8D66B0121@TRIUMPH.local> Bobby, I believe it is human nature to find something good when you look around and can always find someone less fortunate that yourself. No matter how low things seem, somebody else has been dealt a crappier hand than yours. Compare the race motor you brought home with what I brought home... ;-) Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:48 PM Subject: [Fot] blog? > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri May 4 05:30:16 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 06:30:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The first step is to recognize that you are not alone. Stuff breaks in racing and that is something we share with drivers outside the Triumph community. Yes the Porsche guys are more dependable, but for every one of those there is some guy like you and me thrashing on our Corvair, Fiat, MaGgot, FV or some other labor of love. Keep up the love! Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From harmug at us.ibm.com Fri May 4 06:38:17 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 08:38:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "the use of a Stahl in a Spitfire also requires some pretty good changes to the frame and right-side suspension upright. Thanks for the info everyone. My bell housing has a large notch in it and the frame rail looks like the flange was beat into submission sometime in the distant past. I'll bet there was a Stahl header installed by a PO. If not, I have a good start on the mods to put one on now. Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. Less pressure == better flow? thanks mike h G. Michael Harmuth From sjanzen at me.com Fri May 4 08:57:48 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 10:57:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yep, it's taken me years to sort out (and not done yet) my GT6. Mostly that's cuz I do it myself and learn by trial and error. I'm also undoing 40 years of accumulated "fixes" by past owners, decayed parts, etc. if I didn't like this aspect and/or had cubic dollars, there are one or two GT6 experts out there who could figure it out - New England Classic Car Co comes to mind. You really just have to decide what you enjoy or don't enjoy. If the history and ambiance of vintage don't outweigh the heartache and aggravation, there's always the German and Japanese crowd, or D sports racers. PS, I've always thought a vintage 240Z would be great, but then we would have to take you off the FOT list. On May 4, 2012, at 7:30 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: The first step is to recognize that you are not alone. Stuff breaks in racing and that is something we share with drivers outside the Triumph community. Yes the Porsche guys are more dependable, but for every one of those there is some guy like you and me thrashing on our Corvair, Fiat, MaGgot, FV or some other labor of love. Keep up the love! Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri May 4 09:11:09 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 11:11:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yea Bobby, that's called group FoT TheRaPy...... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:30 AM To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? The first step is to recognize that you are not alone. Stuff breaks in racing and that is something we share with drivers outside the Triumph community. Yes the Porsche guys are more dependable, but for every one of those there is some guy like you and me thrashing on our Corvair, Fiat, MaGgot, FV or some other labor of love. Keep up the love! Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri May 4 09:40:41 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 15:40:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <474326998.9767.1336146041187.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Go with the ceramic coating, there is no justification other than budget to not coat it. They all claim to improve the flow. My experience with Stahl is mixed for the TR4/IRS. I had to mo dify my frame ( not so for the live axle car ) The general weld and bend quality was good but fit up to the head was poor. Mine is coated inside & out and engine bay temps were reduced. just my .02 jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 6:38:17 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header "the use of a Stahl in a Spitfire also requires some pretty good changes to the frame and right-side suspension upright. Thanks for the info everyone. My bell housing has a large notch in it and the frame rail looks like the flange was beat into submission sometime in the distant past. I'll bet there was a Stahl header installed by a PO. If not, I have a good start on the mods to put one on now. Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. Less pressure == better flow? thanks mike h G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri May 4 10:00:41 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 12:00:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I feel your pain brother.... Of course it sounds like Henry is halfway through his rebuild and I haven't even taken my car off the trailer yet :) Marty > Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:48:05 -0700 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] blog? > > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri May 4 11:40:39 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 12:40:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header In-Reply-To: <474326998.9767.1336146041187.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <474326998.9767.1336146041187.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <9B4188CE-49F3-4DA8-9684-9C269F1AAC4B@austin.rr.com> I have a couple of equal tube length Hooker headers that seem to work really well on my car but stick out the bottom too far. I've bounced them off the floor and cracked them a few times. I switched what may be a Monza because I had it floating around the garage. I noticed the power loss. Thankfully Road Atlanta allowed a lot more momentum carrying than TX World. I should probably source a new TR4A header rather than scrounge up used stuff. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2012, at 10:40 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Go with the ceramic coating, there is no justification other than budget to not coat it. > > They all claim to improve the flow. My experience with Stahl is mixed for the TR4/IRS. > > I had to mo dify my frame ( not so for the live axle car ) The general weld and bend quality > > was good but fit up to the head was poor. Mine is coated inside & out and engine bay > > temps were reduced. > > just my .02 > > jim g > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "George Harmuth" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 6:38:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header > > "the use of a Stahl in a Spitfire also requires some pretty > good changes to the frame and right-side suspension upright. > > Thanks for the info everyone. My bell housing has a large notch in it and > the frame rail looks like the flange was beat into submission sometime in > the distant past. I'll bet there was a Stahl header installed by a PO. If > not, I have a good start on the mods to put one on now. > Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let > the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. > Less pressure == better flow? > > thanks > mike h > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Fri May 4 11:44:33 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 12:44:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What kind of pistons were you running? I have 4 ( out of 6) .040 over good AE pistons left over from a similar incident. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri May 4 11:47:52 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 17:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header In-Reply-To: <9B4188CE-49F3-4DA8-9684-9C269F1AAC4B@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <1578014552.15299.1336153672106.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> We ( TR4 drivers ) really need a good header fabricator. My dealings with Stahl have been less than satisfactory. They don't normally build TR4 headers so you kind of have to catch them at the right moment to get it done. I'm quite certain the next set I need I'll build myself. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: "George Harmuth" , fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 11:40:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header I have a couple of equal tube length Hooker headers that seem to work really well on my car but stick out the bottom too far. I've bounced them off the floor and cracked them a few times. I switched what may be a Monza because I had it floating around the garage. I noticed the power loss. Thankfully Road Atlanta allowed a lot more momentum carrying than TX World. I should probably source a new TR4A header rather than scrounge up used stuff. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2012, at 10:40 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Go with the ceramic coating, there is no justification other than budget to not coat it. > > They all claim to improve the flow. My experience with Stahl is mixed for the TR4/IRS. > > I had to mo dify my frame ( not so for the live axle car ) The general weld and bend quality > > was good but fit up to the head was poor. Mine is coated inside & out and engine bay > > temps were reduced. > > just my .02 > > jim g > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "George Harmuth" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 6:38:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header > > "the use of a Stahl in a Spitfire also requires some pretty > good changes to the frame and right-side suspension upright. > > Thanks for the info everyone. My bell housing has a large notch in it and > the frame rail looks like the flange was beat into submission sometime in > the distant past. I'll bet there was a Stahl header installed by a PO. If > not, I have a good start on the mods to put one on now. > Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let > the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. > Less pressure == better flow? > > thanks > mike h > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri May 4 11:57:59 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 13:57:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> What the heck you guys waiting for? My autopsy is complete, and a couple of key bits are getting crack checked as we speak. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: ; "FOT" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >I feel your pain brother.... Of course it sounds like Henry is halfway > through his rebuild and I haven't even taken my car off the trailer yet > :) > > Marty > > > >> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:48:05 -0700 >> From: igofaster at att.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] blog? >> >> okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? >> >> I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... >> >> Bobby >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri May 4 13:00:50 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 15:00:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 rotors? Message-ID: Does anyone in the Western Michigan area have a spare GT6 rotor they'd like to part with? Looks like I might have a slightly warped rotor. We're at Gingerman running the VSCDA weekend. Scott Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com From jason at multivintage.com Fri May 4 13:22:43 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 14:22:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bobby, Disappointment is just sometimes part of the game. Your car is really nicely done and you should really be proud of that car. However, I'm with Scott...Time to deal with someone who knows exactly how to build a GT6 motor. Perhaps some steps backwards will help establish a more solid baseline. I would approach it by putting a motor together with stuff that works and has been time tested. Only someone with actual GT6 or at least Triumph experience can truly provide this As an example, the Mikuni carbs are neat and may even work fine, but I'd start with stock carbs (which we know work fine) run a few races and THEN try the Mikuni set. Then you'll know If those carbs offer something better than stock. I had an interesting discussion with Kas about this concept. He noticed that almost without exception, cars that were purchased from him ran fine when sold... making 60 hp beyond stock. The cars would run fine for a race or two. Then in the off season the new owner would "re engineer" the car, switching to trick weber carbs etc. Usually, this resulted in decreased performance and owner frustration and even total failure. The most important thing that goes along with this is writing everything down. If you have a solid working baseline that is documented once working, only then can new changes be measured and accurately tested. Keep it simple and everything that can be measured should be written down. It makes getting back to that baseline pretty easy. Baby steps. Slow and steady wins the race. P.S. What's the spot price today on GT6 scrap? FGR is always buying. Hang in there bud, it really could be much worse. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ___________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From BillDentin at aol.com Fri May 4 13:42:13 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 15:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... Message-ID: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> Amici... Shirley and I stayed over night in Buford, GA on Sunday, and left for points north on Monday morning. Just below Knoxville, TN, in the Appellation foothills, we had a violent blowout on one of the trailer tires. There was a hole I could put my fist through. Thank God it was on driver's right, and not the traffic side, as there was little or no shoulder to make repairs. The biggest issue was getting the trailer high enough to get the wheel off and a spare on. The loaded trailer is at least 6,000 pounds, and my jack, while rated for 4,000 pounds, does not operate (roll) all that well in the gravel/grass.. I sure did not want to have to unload the race car out there on the highway in order to raise the trailer. So I used a jack stand to maintain lift, while taking four or five separate bites and lifts with my jack. It was a big deal, but I finally got it up high enough, and after that it was a piece of cake. We bought two new trailer tires in Knoxville, and were on our way. Back home now, I think I'll buy two more tires for the other side. I usually cover my trailer tires when it is standing for any length of time. These tires looked great, had plenty of tread, but were manufactured in 2002 and 2004. Obviously age is an issue. No one has to tell me that. That same evening we stopped overnight in Frankfort, KY, just in time for a two hour tornado scare (sirens the whole time). The sky looked very bad. We did see trailing funnel clouds, but as far as I know none of them touched ground. Shades of TRIUMPH at Hallet a few years back. Racing is sure exciting. Bill Dentinger From jason at multivintage.com Fri May 4 14:05:46 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:05:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: Yellow 04... Always at the front of the pack! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 13:57:59 To: marty sukey; ; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? What the heck you guys waiting for? My autopsy is complete, and a couple of key bits are getting crack checked as we speak. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: ; "FOT" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >I feel your pain brother.... Of course it sounds like Henry is halfway > through his rebuild and I haven't even taken my car off the trailer yet > :) > > Marty > > > >> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:48:05 -0700 >> From: igofaster at att.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] blog? >> >> okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? >> >> I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... >> >> Bobby >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri May 4 15:01:05 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 16:01:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, Several sources claim that keeping heat in the headers causes the gases to exit the system faster due to decreased density. I haven't pursued the science behind this. One header wrap vendor says hotter exhaust gases are like hotter liquids that lose their viscosity as they heat up, creating less resistance to flow. I'm not sure I buy that explanation. We would probably all accept the claim that the velocity of gas flow is important on the intake side of an engine, although we would also agree that higher density (cooler=denser) of the incoming charge is good too. Whatever the true cause, Cool Concepts Performance Coatings goes so far as to cite dyno tests (but I didn't spot any graphs or explanation of test conditions there). From their website: "Dyno tests have revealed power gains of 8-10 hp in a 550 hp engine. This is mainly due to the heat barriers trapping heat inside the header pipes and increasing exhaust velocity. It was also acknowledged that more gains could be had when installed in an engine bay, where hot air robs power." Presumably the latter refers to the heat from the headers causing the intake air to be hotter and therefore less dense. I'm using coated headers on both my race car and a street car. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 red #6 On May 4, 2012, at 7:38 AM, George Harmuth wrote: > > Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let > the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. > Less pressure == better flow? From jason at multivintage.com Fri May 4 15:39:29 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 16:39:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 rotors? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FGR here! I've got em if you need them... I'll meet you off 294 someplace if you don't get any better offers. Jason Call me if you want them (312) 208 5227 On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: > Does anyone in the Western Michigan area have a spare GT6 rotor they'd like > to part with? Looks like I might have a slightly warped rotor. We're at > Gingerman running the VSCDA weekend. > > Scott > > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > www.mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri May 4 16:41:28 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 18:41:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Autopsy is complete Message-ID: Many people offered condolences at the Mitty for my broken motor, and asked what happened. A 10 year old Carillo rod broke at the small end. No discoloration at all, it did not get hot. Sitting on top of the windage tray was the remains of the small end of the rod, broken at the oil hole on each side. As opposed to being a round hole you insert the piston pin in, it is now almost flat. The surface the bushing presses into on the small end, and the #2 piston pin and appear to be perfect, indicating the small end bush did not fail. The Moldex passed the crack check, so life goes on. :-) Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri May 4 16:56:20 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 18:56:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... References: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> Message-ID: <4AFCED2F6CDC4711BA319CA7D3C12DCF@owner8914bbf7f> Bill, I carry (but haven't used yet!) a thing called a trailer buddy, I think. Just a small ramp. In case of a flat, put the ramp in front of the good tire and pull the trailer onto it. The flat tire just dangles there and can easily be changed. Be sure to loosen the lug nuts first. You can make one yourself using some 2 X 8s, but they are heavy. Also useful when greasing wheel bearings. Note to any PRDA members: This will NOT work on single axle trailer! (A little humor) Bill---- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 3:42 PM Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... > Amici... > > Shirley and I stayed over night in Buford, GA on Sunday, and left for > points north on Monday morning. Just below Knoxville, TN, in the > Appellation > foothills, we had a violent blowout on one of the trailer tires. There > was a > hole I could put my fist through. Thank God it was on driver's right, and > not the traffic side, as there was little or no shoulder to make repairs. > > The biggest issue was getting the trailer high enough to get the wheel off > and a spare on. The loaded trailer is at least 6,000 pounds, and my jack, > while rated for 4,000 pounds, does not operate (roll) all that well in the > gravel/grass.. I sure did not want to have to unload the race car out > there > on the highway in order to raise the trailer. So I used a jack stand to > maintain lift, while taking four or five separate bites and lifts with my > jack. > It was a big deal, but I finally got it up high enough, and after that it > was a piece of cake. We bought two new trailer tires in Knoxville, and > were > on our way. Back home now, I think I'll buy two more tires for the other > side. I usually cover my trailer tires when it is standing for any length > of > time. These tires looked great, had plenty of tread, but were > manufactured > in 2002 and 2004. Obviously age is an issue. No one has to tell me that. > > > That same evening we stopped overnight in Frankfort, KY, just in time for > a > two hour tornado scare (sirens the whole time). The sky looked very bad. > We did see trailing funnel clouds, but as far as I know none of them > touched > ground. Shades of TRIUMPH at Hallet a few years back. > > Racing is sure exciting. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From billdentin at aol.com Fri May 4 17:12:01 2012 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 19:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... In-Reply-To: <4AFCED2F6CDC4711BA319CA7D3C12DCF@owner8914bbf7f> References: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> <4AFCED2F6CDC4711BA319CA7D3C12DCF@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: <8CEF862724EBF6E-86C-F986@webmail-d141.sysops.aol.com> Bill, I carry (but haven't used yet!) a thing called a trailer buddy, I hink. Just a small ramp. In case of a flat, put the ramp in front of the od tire and pull the trailer onto it. The flat tire just dangles there and easily be changed. e sure to loosen the lug nuts first. Bill... What a super idea. I will add that to my 'stuff'. Thanks. Bill From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri May 4 18:16:19 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 19:16:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... In-Reply-To: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> References: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> Message-ID: Bill, Sorry to hear about your tire troubles. I had a similar incident with my trailer last Nov. Great tread but 2005 build date. Blew one at 65 mph with two TR 4's on board. I pulled the trailer up onto a stack of 2x8's I packed. That saved the day. I was close to a truck tire store and I had it fixed quickly but within 10 miles smother tire had the treads separate. I got lucky because I was stopping for lunch and checked the tires. They sell special plastic thingies to do the same thing. I'll buy one as soon as I get over the price of four new trailer tires. .....,,,and I got an envelope from you today..... very classy on your part, thank you. Glad the two of you made it home safe. Bob Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2012, at 2:42 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Shirley and I stayed over night in Buford, GA on Sunday, and left for > points north on Monday morning. Just below Knoxville, TN, in the Appellation > foothills, we had a violent blowout on one of the trailer tires. There was a > hole I could put my fist through. Thank God it was on driver's right, and > not the traffic side, as there was little or no shoulder to make repairs. > > The biggest issue was getting the trailer high enough to get the wheel off > and a spare on. The loaded trailer is at least 6,000 pounds, and my jack, > while rated for 4,000 pounds, does not operate (roll) all that well in the > gravel/grass.. I sure did not want to have to unload the race car out there > on the highway in order to raise the trailer. So I used a jack stand to > maintain lift, while taking four or five separate bites and lifts with my jack. > It was a big deal, but I finally got it up high enough, and after that it > was a piece of cake. We bought two new trailer tires in Knoxville, and were > on our way. Back home now, I think I'll buy two more tires for the other > side. I usually cover my trailer tires when it is standing for any length of > time. These tires looked great, had plenty of tread, but were manufactured > in 2002 and 2004. Obviously age is an issue. No one has to tell me that. > > > That same evening we stopped overnight in Frankfort, KY, just in time for a > two hour tornado scare (sirens the whole time). The sky looked very bad. > We did see trailing funnel clouds, but as far as I know none of them touched > ground. Shades of TRIUMPH at Hallet a few years back. From jason at multivintage.com Fri May 4 18:48:01 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 00:48:01 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The Autopsy is complete Message-ID: Yes, A classic case of "to fast of a driver". ------Original Message------ From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The Autopsy is complete Sent: May 4, 2012 5:41 PM Many people offered condolences at the Mitty for my broken motor, and asked what happened. A 10 year old Carillo rod broke at the small end. No discoloration at all, it did not get hot. Sitting on top of the windage tray was the remains of the small end of the rod, broken at the oil hole on each side. As opposed to being a round hole you insert the piston pin in, it is now almost flat. The surface the bushing presses into on the small end, and the #2 piston pin and appear to be perfect, indicating the small end bush did not fail. The Moldex passed the crack check, so life goes on. :-) Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri May 4 18:54:01 2012 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 00:54:01 GMT Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... Message-ID: <20120504.205401.5969.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Bill what brand of tire blew out? I had a Goodyear Marathon blow out about 10 years ago. Bought a set of them a couple years later, since I did not trust the remaining ones. Last year I decided that they were old enough and it was time to replace them, even though they still looked good. The Goodyears are all now made in China and I found very few trailer tires made in the US. The reviews on the US tires were not very good and they seemed as bad as the china bombs. I bought a set of Maxxis tires, which are made in Taiwan. Not sure if they will be better than the tires from China, but the reviews were good. Seems like one of the keys is to buy tires that are well over the capacity than what what is needed. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 15:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Amici... Shirley and I stayed over night in Buford, GA on Sunday, and left for points north on Monday morning. Just below Knoxville, TN, in the Appellation foothills, we had a violent blowout on one of the trailer tires. There was a hole I could put my fist through. Thank God it was on driver's right, and not the traffic side, as there was little or no shoulder to make repairs. The biggest issue was getting the trailer high enough to get the wheel off and a spare on. The loaded trailer is at least 6,000 pounds, and my jack, while rated for 4,000 pounds, does not operate (roll) all that well in the gravel/grass.. I sure did not want to have to unload the race car out there on the highway in order to raise the trailer. So I used a jack stand to maintain lift, while taking four or five separate bites and lifts with my jack. It was a big deal, but I finally got it up high enough, and after that it was a piece of cake. We bought two new trailer tires in Knoxville, and were on our way. Back home now, I think I'll buy two more tires for the other side. I usually cover my trailer tires when it is standing for any length of time. These tires looked great, had plenty of tread, but were manufactured in 2002 and 2004. Obviously age is an issue. No one has to tell me that. That same evening we stopped overnight in Frankfort, KY, just in time for a two hour tornado scare (sirens the whole time). The sky looked very bad. We did see trailing funnel clouds, but as far as I know none of them touched ground. Shades of TRIUMPH at Hallet a few years back. Racing is sure exciting. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 From igofaster at att.net Fri May 4 18:57:10 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 17:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1336179430.55439.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> yes... I need rehab and TheRaPy... Bobby ________________________________ From: john hasty To: Bob Kramer ; Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Fri, May 4, 2012 10:11:37 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] blog? Yea Bobby, that's called group FoT TheRaPy...... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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Yes the Porsche guys are more dependable, but for every one of those there is some guy like you and me thrashing on our Corvair, Fiat, MaGgot, FV or some other labor of love. Keep up the love! Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From bownes at seiri.com Fri May 4 19:14:42 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 21:14:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... In-Reply-To: <8CEF862724EBF6E-86C-F986@webmail-d141.sysops.aol.com> References: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> <4AFCED2F6CDC4711BA319CA7D3C12DCF@owner8914bbf7f> <8CEF862724EBF6E-86C-F986@webmail-d141.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9903D9EA-85E1-4CD6-98A9-C4FECC6E4080@seiri.com> I've always used a curb. :) On May 4, 2012, at 19:12, billdentin at aol.com wrote: > Bill, I carry (but haven't used yet!) a thing called a trailer buddy, I > hink. Just a small ramp. In case of a flat, put the ramp in front of the > od tire and pull the trailer onto it. The flat tire just dangles there and > easily be changed. > e sure to loosen the lug nuts first. > Bill... > What a super idea. I will add that to my 'stuff'. > Thanks. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From sjanzen at me.com Fri May 4 20:44:37 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 22:44:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? - Correction on Racing Shop References: Message-ID: Somebody pointed out to me that I had the wrong shop referenced below as offering GT6 expertise. I meant to say Vintage Racing Services, which has some former Group 44 guys and recently built Studdard's Group 44 GT6 motor. On May 4, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: Yep, it's taken me years to sort out (and not done yet) my GT6. Mostly that's cuz I do it myself and learn by trial and error. I'm also undoing 40 years of accumulated "fixes" by past owners, decayed parts, etc. if I didn't like this aspect and/or had cubic dollars, there are one or two GT6 experts out there who could figure it out - New England Classic Car Co comes to mind. You really just have to decide what you enjoy or don't enjoy. If the history and ambiance of vintage don't outweigh the heartache and aggravation, there's always the German and Japanese crowd, or D sports racers. From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri May 4 21:27:08 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from indexing plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat May 5 02:45:21 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:45:21 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What does indexing mean? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: sherry robyn Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 To: Friends Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from indexing plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sat May 5 04:53:00 2012 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don TR) Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 06:53:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs References: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120505100625.1C1122D0B60@autox.team.net> Message-ID: This link can explan what it is. http://dodgeram.org/tech/gas/spark_plugs/s_plug%20_indexing.htm ------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "sherry robyn" ; ; "Friends" Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs > What does indexing mean? > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: sherry robyn > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 > To: Friends > Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from > indexing > plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat May 5 04:56:10 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 12:56:10 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: References: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120505100625.1C1122D0B60@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000901cd2aad$b13d3620$13b7a260$@com> Ah, I see, thank you. Not for my engine - I have 4 electrodes per plug. :-) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Don TR [mailto:58tr3a at videotron.ca] Gesendet: Samstag, 5. Mai 2012 12:53 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sherry robyn; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; Friends Betreff: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs This link can explan what it is. http://dodgeram.org/tech/gas/spark_plugs/s_plug%20_indexing.htm ------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "sherry robyn" ; ; "Friends" Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs > What does indexing mean? > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: sherry robyn > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 > To: Friends > Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from > indexing > plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sat May 5 06:09:56 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 08:09:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] spit throttle bale bracket Message-ID: <4FA51894.7050806@cfl.rr.com> Does anyone have a throttle cable (at the carbs) bracket assembly from a 1500 spit they would like to sell? thxx, Bob From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat May 5 06:17:40 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:17:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: <20120505100627.D90612D0B82@autox.team.net> References: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120505100627.D90612D0B82@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Making the open end of the electrods all point to the intake valves Sent from my iPhone On May 5, 2012, at 4:45 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > What does indexing mean? > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: sherry robyn > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 > To: Friends > Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from indexing > plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat May 5 08:25:28 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 09:25:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header In-Reply-To: <1578014552.15299.1336153672106.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <70B467EE01574187889CF0945A328986@kramerde634093> Maybe I should look into modifying the Hookers. They sit about that much below the frame and the current set tucks in nicely. I'd have to dyno test them to be sure, but with equal length and big tubes they may be as good as anything out there. My seat tells me they are worth some HP. -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:48 PM To: Bob Kramer Cc: George Harmuth; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header We ( TR4 drivers ) really need a good header fabricator. My dealings with Stahl have been less than satisfactory. They don't normally build TR4 headers so you kind of have to catch them at the right moment to get it done. I'm quite certain the next set I need I'll build myself. jim g _____ From: "Bob Kramer" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: "George Harmuth" , fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 11:40:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header I have a couple of equal tube length Hooker headers that seem to work really well on my car but stick out the bottom too far. I've bounced them off the floor and cracked them a few times. I switched what may be a Monza because I had it floating around the garage. I noticed the power loss. Thankfully Road Atlanta allowed a lot more momentum carrying than TX World. I should probably source a new TR4A header rather than scrounge up used stuff. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2012, at 10:40 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Go with the ceramic coating, there is no justification other than budget to not coat it. > > They all claim to improve the flow. My experience with Stahl is mixed for the TR4/IRS. > > I had to mo dify my frame ( not so for the live axle car ) The general weld and bend quality > > was good but fit up to the head was poor. Mine is coated inside & out and engine bay > > temps were reduced. > > just my .02 > > jim g > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "George Harmuth" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 6:38:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header > > "the use of a Stahl in a Spitfire also requires some pretty > good changes to the frame and right-side suspension upright. > > Thanks for the info everyone. My bell housing has a large notch in it and > the frame rail looks like the flange was beat into submission sometime in > the distant past. I'll bet there was a Stahl header installed by a PO. If > not, I have a good start on the mods to put one on now. > Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let > the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. > Less pressure == better flow? > > thanks > mike h > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sat May 5 13:02:56 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 15:02:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: Hello, I'd like to nominate for membership in our non-organization Scott Starkweather and Fred Knight. They are building a Spitfire for road racing and will need our help. Email addresses are: sstarkweather at vbisd.org and fknight at vbisd.org Thanks! Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat May 5 13:53:16 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 14:53:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Second! Tony At 02:02 PM 5/5/2012, Barr, Scott wrote: >Hello, > >I'd like to nominate for membership in our non-organization Scott >Starkweather and Fred Knight. They are building a Spitfire for road racing >and will need our help. > >Email addresses are: sstarkweather at vbisd.org and fknight at vbisd.org > >Thanks! > > >Scott Barr >McCarty Law LLP >(920) 257-2233 >www.mccarty-law.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat May 5 14:19:31 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 16:19:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Second, love to have more Spitfires to share my uh experiences with. Don't know that I'll be much help :) Welcome guys! Marty > From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com > To: fot at autox.team.net; nomination at autox.team.net; sstarkweather at vbisd.org > Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 15:02:56 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > Hello, > > I'd like to nominate for membership in our non-organization Scott > Starkweather and Fred Knight. They are building a Spitfire for road racing > and will need our help. > > Email addresses are: sstarkweather at vbisd.org and fknight at vbisd.org > > Thanks! > > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > www.mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sat May 5 15:00:32 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 17:00:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5e20b449-deae-4853-af32-4d4469bf9a26@blur> They were not dissuaded by the sight of me rolling around under No49Blue pulling the pan to find a bunch of brass/bronze shavings in there (seriously - where the heck would that come from?). This proves they have no sense and will fit in nicely. Scott Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com -----Original message----- From: marty sukey To: "Barr, Scott" , FOT , nomination at autox.team.net, sstarkweather at vbisd.org Sent: Sat, May 5, 2012 20:19:31 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination From Catpusher at aol.com Sat May 5 16:28:38 2012 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 18:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Subject: Indexing plugs Message-ID: <1fa1f.9c8ef69.3cd70396@aol.com> We could not measure any change, and we run popups and a high CR; we went to MSD and then Electromotive and ran to 7200RPM with our TR3. TR Regards, Hardy In a message dated 5/5/2012 3:07:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: From: sherry robyn To: Friends Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from indexing plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? From sjanzen at me.com Sat May 5 17:44:31 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 19:44:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit Message-ID: <0228E310-8FE8-4F4B-8E91-15C884F146F4@me.com> looking at the registration, I see some of the big Triumphs in Group 1 and some in Group 3. Any logic? I picked Group 3 cuz I didn't want to run with all the Porsches. From mark at bradakis.com Sat May 5 18:28:04 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 18:28:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FA5C594.2040405@bradakis.com> Thanks for including their email addresses. A lot of people don't seem to realize that to add an email address to the list I need an email address ;-) They are on. mjb. From igofaster at att.net Sat May 5 19:08:37 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 18:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: marty sukey ; igofaster at att.net; FOT Sent: Fri, May 4, 2012 12:58:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? What the heck you guys waiting for? My autopsy is complete, and a couple of key bits are getting crack checked as we speak. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: ; "FOT" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >I feel your pain brother.... Of course it sounds like Henry is halfway > through his rebuild and I haven't even taken my car off the trailer yet > :) > > Marty > > > >> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:48:05 -0700 >> From: igofaster at att.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] blog? >> >> okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? >> >> I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... >> >> Bobby >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com From kaskas at cox.net Sat May 5 19:57:37 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 01:57:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: References: , <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <20120505100627.D90612D0B82@autox.team.net>, Message-ID: Indexing to me was making sure that the ground electrode was not in a position where the piston could not close the gap and kill the engine. More Power? You're kidding! TR-3,4 engines do not have that problem unless you run a pop-up. Never be beaten by equipment > From: jhhasty at gdhs.com > Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:17:40 -0400 > To: tr4racing at googlemail.com > CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > Making the open end of the electrods all point to the intake valves > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 5, 2012, at 4:45 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > > > What does indexing mean? > > > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sherry robyn > > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 > > To: Friends > > Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > > > Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from > indexing > > plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sun May 6 05:09:20 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 07:09:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> Bobby, You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. :-) BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength in numbers. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun May 6 07:09:51 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 09:09:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit References: <0228E310-8FE8-4F4B-8E91-15C884F146F4@me.com> Message-ID: <34C6936876A04A9CAFD250D4EE750188@owner8914bbf7f> Hi Scott, I saw that too, unfortunately. I'm going to try and get into Group 3 with you. I don't do well against 911's and 914-6's! The VRG guys are pretty good about putting someone in a different class. Last year I started out in a group that included Mike Zappa's GT40; that didn't last long. They put me in different group and I had a great time. I'm heading down on Wed. the 16th. See you there. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 7:44 PM Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit > looking at the registration, I see some of the big Triumphs in Group 1 and > some in Group 3. Any logic? I picked Group 3 cuz I didn't want to run > with all the Porsches. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From igofaster at att.net Sun May 6 08:10:43 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 07:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks Henry! Bobby ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Bobby, You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. :-) BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength in numbers. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- >From: Bobby Whitehead >To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com >Cc: FoT Triumph >Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > >dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of >a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby From igofaster at att.net Sun May 6 08:19:05 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 07:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com welcome aboard Chuck! BGW From mediehljr at yahoo.com Sun May 6 09:13:36 2012 From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 08:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: References: , <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <20120505100627.D90612D0B82@autox.team.net>, Message-ID: <1336317216.69025.YahooMailNeo@web39305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey, Kas, you are right on that. We never even gave a thought to power increase, unless you consider closed up plug gaps a power problem. Hope you are doing well. Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl ________________________________ From: Kas Kastner To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; MadMarx Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2012 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs Indexing to me was making sure that the ground electrode was not in a position where the piston could not close the gap and kill the engine. More Power? You're kidding! TR-3,4 engines do not have that problem unless you run a pop-up. Never be beaten by equipment > From: jhhasty at gdhs.com > Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:17:40 -0400 > To: tr4racing at googlemail.com > CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > Making the open end of the electrods all point to the intake valves > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 5, 2012, at 4:45 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > > > What does indexing mean? > > > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sherry robyn > > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 > > To: Friends > > Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > > > Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from > indexing > > plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mediehljr at yahoo.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun May 6 09:54:46 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 10:54:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> Henry's comment got me looking for "what, are you yellow?" quotes but I found these interesting tidbits instead. You ladies need to stick together and quitting is not an option! I wonder what my red car with blue stripes says about me? I've had my share of being vanquished....... Blue is the male principle, stern and spiritual. Yellow the female principle, gentle, cheerful and sensual. Red is matter, brutal and heavy and always the colour which must be fought and vanquished by the other two. Franz Marc Fear has nothing to do with cowardice. A fellow is only yellow when he lets his fear make him quit. Jerome Cady Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks > Henry! Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: FoT Triumph > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > > Bobby, > > You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... > > Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped > with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. > > :-) > > BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength > in numbers. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com >> Cc: FoT Triumph >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >> >> >> dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of >> a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun May 6 10:00:27 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 11:00:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit In-Reply-To: <34C6936876A04A9CAFD250D4EE750188@owner8914bbf7f> References: <0228E310-8FE8-4F4B-8E91-15C884F146F4@me.com> <34C6936876A04A9CAFD250D4EE750188@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: <3ABCB876-A9AC-4160-98AB-B1E8AA1071CC@austin.rr.com> Those of us in TX racing TR4's and GT6's with CVAR are always grouped with 911 and 914-6's. It us great fun to finish ahead of them but with the stretching of the rules that seems so prevalent in vintage racing these says the Porsches keep getting faster and faster. I often push my car harder than I want to. I have to admit the fun factor is dropping faster than a 911 at the end of the NASCAR straight at TWS. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 8:09 AM, "william r tobin" wrote: > Hi Scott, I saw that too, unfortunately. I'm going to try and get into Group 3 with you. I don't do well against 911's and 914-6's! > The VRG guys are pretty good about putting someone in a different class. Last year I started out in a group that included Mike Zappa's GT40; that didn't last long. They put me in different group and I had a great time. > I'm heading down on Wed. the 16th. See you there. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" > To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 7:44 PM > Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit > > >> looking at the registration, I see some of the big Triumphs in Group 1 and some in Group 3. Any logic? I picked Group 3 cuz I didn't want to run with all the Porsches. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun May 6 12:14:43 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 14:14:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jefferson 500 group Message-ID: <8BBCC74110DC406A9269C40DA309B544@owner8914bbf7f> Scott Janzen and Bob Kramer: here's the good news. Last year I was in the paddock next to Jim's Pinto (yes, Pinto...fast car) and his friend Kris with a 2002. Nice bunch of guys who like to enjoy themselves. Looking forward to a good weekend. I may go to BeaveRun this week for a shakedown cruise. It ran when I shut it off last fall; should run now! Actually, I'm going over the car even as we speak. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Karamanis To: william r tobin Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re: Jefferson 500 group Bill, Not a problem, 16 / Marlboro it is. Look forward to hanging out again! See ya soon. Jim ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: william r tobin To: jim at vrgonline.org Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 9:20 AM Subject: Jefferson 500 group Hi Jim, how's everything? Way busy up here, even with being retired. I checked the entry list for the 500 and saw I'm in group 1 with 911's and 914-6's. I get eaten alive by those guys. Any chance of getting into group 3, the Marlboro bunch? I may be able to keep up with some of them! Scott Janzen is #61 in a GT-6; I could use a strip of black duct tape and be #16. I think #6 is already taken. Thanks. See you in a couple weeks. Bill Tobin TR6 Not blazingly fast but having fun! From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sun May 6 13:47:38 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 12:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1336333658.36438.YahooMailNeo@web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hooray for the Yellow cars! Should we start our own secret unorganized FOT sub chapter? Mike ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Bobby, You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. :-) BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength in numbers. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From igofaster at att.net Sun May 6 14:02:16 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 13:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? Bobby THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Cc: Chuck Watson Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com welcome aboard Chuck! BGW _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sun May 6 14:02:20 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 13:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hey Bob, I may be gentle, cheerful and sensual but my car has been the fastest with the yellow paint on it! BTW, I saw Greg's video; nice drive! Mike ________________________________ From: Bob Kramer To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Henry's comment got me looking for "what, are you yellow?" quotes but I found these interesting tidbits instead. You ladies need to stick together and quitting is not an option! I wonder what my red car with blue stripes says about me? I've had my share of being vanquished....... Blue is the male principle, stern and spiritual. Yellow the female principle, gentle, cheerful and sensual. Red is matter, brutal and heavy and always the colour which must be fought and vanquished by the other two. Franz Marc Fear has nothing to do with cowardice. A fellow is only yellow when he lets his fear make him quit. Jerome Cady Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks > Henry! Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: FoT Triumph > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > > Bobby, > > You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... > > Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped > with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. > > :-) > > BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength > in numbers. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com >> Cc: FoT Triumph >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >> >> >> dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of >> a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sun May 6 15:04:19 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 17:04:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: I'll second that nomination. Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad Bobby Whitehead wrote: >can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? > >Bobby > >THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... > > > > >________________________________ >From: Bobby Whitehead >To: FoT Triumph >Cc: Chuck Watson >Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM >Subject: [Fot] Nomination > >I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta >when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go >vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need >the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead > >Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com > >welcome aboard Chuck! > >BGW >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun May 6 15:35:56 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 16:35:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <69218DF6-E63F-4C0B-A549-5407F12E022B@austin.rr.com> It does seem that yellow means fast for a Triumph. I'm going to build a Devin TR3. Dare I paint it yellow? That race with Greg was the first time for us. TR3's can run in an historic group at CVAR. I think Greg will make the jump into 911 country after the fun we had. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Mike Munson wrote: > Hey Bob, > > I may be gentle, cheerful and sensual but my car has been the fastest with the yellow paint on it! > BTW, I saw Greg's video; nice drive! > > Mike > > From: Bob Kramer > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: FoT Triumph > Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > Henry's comment got me looking for "what, are you yellow?" quotes but I found > these interesting tidbits instead. You ladies need to stick together and > quitting is not an option! > > I wonder what my red car with blue stripes says about me? I've had my share of > being vanquished....... > > > Blue is the male principle, stern and spiritual. Yellow the female principle, > gentle, cheerful and sensual. Red is matter, brutal and heavy and always the > colour which must be fought and vanquished by the other two. > Franz Marc > > Fear has nothing to do with cowardice. A fellow is only yellow when he lets > his fear make him quit. > Jerome Cady > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > > yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks > > Henry! Bobby > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" > > To: Bobby Whitehead > > Cc: FoT Triumph > > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > > > > > Bobby, > > > > You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... > > > > Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has > escaped > > with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. > > > > :-) > > > > BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is > strength > > in numbers. > > > > Henry > > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Bobby Whitehead > >> To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com > >> Cc: FoT Triumph > >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > >> > >> > >> dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then > all of > >> a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun May 6 15:38:41 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 16:38:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5A71ECFC-84D8-4C10-8147-28C81748B44B@austin.rr.com> I think we are all waiting for another GT6 guy to second. I once sat it a GT6, so I'll jump in here and second it. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? > > Bobby > > THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bobby Whitehead > To: FoT Triumph > Cc: Chuck Watson > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta > when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go > vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need > the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead > > Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com > > welcome aboard Chuck! > > BGW > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sun May 6 15:40:35 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 14:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1336340435.46794.YahooMailNeo@web46101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Second! Jeesh! Another 6 cylinder sicko. ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? Bobby THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Cc: Chuck Watson Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com welcome aboard Chuck! BGW _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun May 6 15:46:24 2012 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 16:46:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701cd2bd1$afe593b0$0fb0bb10$@rr.com> It was a part of my evil plan to be behind Bob with two laps to go then we hit lap traffic. Bob got by going into turn 3 and I did not. I got John coming up out of the esses but did not get the Blue TR4 until turn 8. Bob used that to his advantage and put too big a gap between us. All in all a blast of a race. I think we swapped for 11th 5 times. The link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trZP5H8IsUQ&feature=g-upl -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Munson Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 3:02 PM To: Bob Kramer; Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Hey Bob, I may be gentle, cheerful and sensual but my car has been the fastest with the yellow paint on it! BTW, I saw Greg's video; nice drive! Mike ________________________________ From: Bob Kramer To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Henry's comment got me looking for "what, are you yellow?" quotes but I found these interesting tidbits instead. You ladies need to stick together and quitting is not an option! I wonder what my red car with blue stripes says about me? I've had my share of being vanquished....... Blue is the male principle, stern and spiritual. Yellow the female principle, gentle, cheerful and sensual. Red is matter, brutal and heavy and always the colour which must be fought and vanquished by the other two. Franz Marc Fear has nothing to do with cowardice. A fellow is only yellow when he lets his fear make him quit. Jerome Cady Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks > Henry! Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: FoT Triumph > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > > Bobby, > > You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... > > Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped > with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. > > :-) > > BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength > in numbers. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com >> Cc: FoT Triumph >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >> >> >> dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of >> a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4978 - Release Date: 05/04/12 From rjohns at woh.rr.com Sun May 6 15:51:45 2012 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 17:51:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Indexing of spark plug electrodes Message-ID: Fot team list: For those of you that want to orient the placement of the electrodes, I have left over from my "Autolite racing spark plug engineering" days, an few solid 14 mm spark plug gaskets. I had the thicker ones made for just such a purpose, as electrode placement and /or proper end of thread body location. They are of two thickness'. I have the most of .137" and some of .067" thickness. They, of course, can be thinned to what ever thickness you need. The .067 were intended to be used as is, and are basically the normal spark plug gasket thickness. Free for the asking. I have no use for them any more. Bob Johns From jason at multivintage.com Sun May 6 16:47:12 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 22:47:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1336340435.46794.YahooMailNeo@web46101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336340435.46794.YahooMailNeo@web46101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yeah, I'll second too. I met the guy, nice fellow. I already told him he was nuts. He will need lots of help building a safe car from scratch. But he seemed pretty confident, and knowledgable. I love the idea. It should probably be yellow. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sun, 6 May 2012 14:40:35 To: Bobby Whitehead; FoT Triumph Reply-To: Mike Munson Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Second! Jeesh! Another 6 cylinder sicko. ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? Bobby THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Cc: Chuck Watson Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com welcome aboard Chuck! BGW _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sun May 6 17:49:48 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 19:49:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <69218DF6-E63F-4C0B-A549-5407F12E022B@austin.rr.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <69218DF6-E63F-4C0B-A549-5407F12E022B@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: Good Lord you guys, My , Larry's , 3 is not only yellow, it's 1972. Chrysler yellow & came from your part of the country... So it must be male, not female! Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > It does seem that yellow means fast for a Triumph. I'm going to build a Devin > TR3. Dare I paint it yellow? > > That race with Greg was the first time for us. TR3's can run in an historic > group at CVAR. I think Greg will make the jump into 911 country after the fun > we had. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Mike Munson wrote: > >> Hey Bob, >> >> I may be gentle, cheerful and sensual but my car has been the fastest with > the yellow paint on it! >> BTW, I saw Greg's video; nice drive! >> >> Mike >> >> From: Bob Kramer >> To: Bobby Whitehead >> Cc: FoT Triumph >> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:54 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >> >> Henry's comment got me looking for "what, are you yellow?" quotes but I > found >> these interesting tidbits instead. You ladies need to stick together and >> quitting is not an option! >> >> I wonder what my red car with blue stripes says about me? I've had my share > of >> being vanquished....... >> >> >> Blue is the male principle, stern and spiritual. Yellow the female > principle, >> gentle, cheerful and sensual. Red is matter, brutal and heavy and always > the >> colour which must be fought and vanquished by the other two. >> Franz Marc >> >> Fear has nothing to do with cowardice. A fellow is only yellow when he lets >> his fear make him quit. >> Jerome Cady >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 6, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >>> yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks >>> Henry! Bobby >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" >>> To: Bobby Whitehead >>> Cc: FoT Triumph >>> Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >>> >>> >>> Bobby, >>> >>> You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... >>> >>> Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has >> escaped >>> with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is >> strength >>> in numbers. >>> >>> Henry >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Bobby Whitehead >>>> To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com >>>> Cc: FoT Triumph >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >>>> >>>> >>>> dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and > then >> all of >>>> a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sun May 6 17:52:14 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 19:52:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <5A71ECFC-84D8-4C10-8147-28C81748B44B@austin.rr.com> References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5A71ECFC-84D8-4C10-8147-28C81748B44B@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <1E31F118-8138-45ED-814F-F5EB9C196364@gdhs.com> Shucks Kramer, you actually fit in a 6? Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > I think we are all waiting for another GT6 guy to second. I once sat it a GT6, > so I'll jump in here and second it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? >> >> Bobby >> >> THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> To: FoT Triumph >> Cc: Chuck Watson >> Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM >> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >> >> I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road > Atlanta >> when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go >> vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously > need >> the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby > Whitehead >> >> Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com >> >> welcome aboard Chuck! >> >> BGW >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun May 6 18:12:58 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 19:12:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1E31F118-8138-45ED-814F-F5EB9C196364@gdhs.com> References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5A71ECFC-84D8-4C10-8147-28C81748B44B@austin.rr.com> <1E31F118-8138-45ED-814F-F5EB9C196364@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <36CEA178-73A9-4040-9F58-412AEE9B947E@austin.rr.com> Not really. At the K-cup we held at Hallett a number if years ago, while I was building my current car, I had the opportunity to "borrow" a GT6 for the Triumph race. I squeezed in but couldn't get my leg from gas to brake pedal cleanly. Once I realized it was a no-go they nearly had to cut the roof off to get me out. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 6:52 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Shucks Kramer, you actually fit in a 6? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> I think we are all waiting for another GT6 guy to second. I once sat it a GT6, >> so I'll jump in here and second it. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >>> can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? >>> >>> Bobby >>> >>> THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Bobby Whitehead >>> To: FoT Triumph >>> Cc: Chuck Watson >>> Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM >>> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >>> >>> I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road >> Atlanta >>> when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go >>> vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously >> need >>> the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby >> Whitehead >>> >>> Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com >>> >>> welcome aboard Chuck! >>> >>> BGW >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From trdoctor at aol.com Sun May 6 20:20:29 2012 From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 21:20:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob and all, Carol and I bought a '72 GT6 a couple of years ago. I am as big (if not bigger than Bob, even though I have lost about 60lbs in the past 6 months) and they are snug! With a bum knee I can get in ok but need a crane to get out. I autocrossed it at the South Central Regional last weekend and it was a real trip! Bob is right about finding the brake pedal. I have to wear the narrowest shoes I have to drive it. The New Balance won't cut it. I love the car but really don't fit. Maybe 20 more pounds. . . Missed you and Barbara at the Regional. Glad you had fun at the Mitty. Sam On May 6, 2012, at 7:12 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > From: Bob Kramer > To: John Hasty > Cc: FoT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > Message-ID: <36CEA178-73A9-4040-9F58-412AEE9B947E at austin.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Not really. At the K-cup we held at Hallett a number if years ago, while I was > building my current car, I had the opportunity to "borrow" a GT6 for the > Triumph race. I squeezed in but couldn't get my leg from gas to brake pedal > cleanly. Once I realized it was a no-go they nearly had to cut the roof off to > get me out. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2012, at 6:52 PM, John Hasty wrote: > >> Shucks Kramer, you actually fit in a 6? From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 7 05:49:06 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 07:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin In-Reply-To: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I would like to add Warren Aplin to the list. His note below will serve to introduce him, and to illustrate how delightfully disorganized we are. wgaplin at bellsouth.net What say ye? Another TR4. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Warren Aplin To: n197tr4 Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 10:55 am Subject: FOT Joe, It was great meeting you at Road Atlanta. I have a green TR 4 #66 (we blew the engine on Thursday) that did not get out of the box for race weekend. I was on the old pit side with Predator Performance; they maintain my car at the track. Needless to say it was a long weekend for my daughter and me. She was going to race with group 2 and I was going to run the Triumph events. My car now #66 is on the FOT website as #75 from several years and owners ago. I have owned it about six years now. I am told it is a Rick Klein car from the 60bs or 70bs. I only have log books back to the early 90bs ( think that is when it was resurrected. As I explained, I have tried to join the FOT and sent emails but never heard back. I have gone on the site numerous times. It appeared you guys had a lot of fun. I kind of wished I was on the other side of the pits with all the other Triumphs. I would like to be part of the FOT. There were stickers on the car when I bought it, it has since been repainted. I need more stickers. We are rebuilding the engine; I have a spare, but have been waiting for steel crank for months, so now we have two to build. Glenn Effinger out of Stuart, FL is the wrench. He does a great job. We will try to be ready for HSR Savannah in October. My name was on the shirt, (spelled wrong, but still cool). George Wright was kind enough to make one available to me, as I was not part of (did not know anything about) the preorder. It was much appreciated. I did get a signed poster, that was cool too. Thanks again Warren Aplin 2795 se ranch acres circle Jupiter, Florida 33478 561-748-8187, cell 954-520-8681 wgaplin at bellsouth.net From igofaster at att.net Mon May 7 06:56:40 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 05:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] another GT6 nomination Message-ID: <1336395400.31375.YahooMailRC@web180806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hey girls and boys... I meet Jay DePol from Stevensville Maryland at the Mitty.. he too would like to take it up a notch and try his hand a preparing a GT6 to race... even though I had bits and pieces of ... something on display,,,, he was not discouraged... my kind of guy.... TherApY needed.... Jay DePol kkjjk at aol.com is this a good idea or should we go ahead and put a bomb in the engine bay to get Jay through the initiation process? Bobby Whitehead From igofaster at att.net Mon May 7 07:01:46 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 06:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin In-Reply-To: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1336395706.34049.YahooMailRC@web180806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> 2nd! love D production Triumphs to chase! Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: wgaplin at bellsouth.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 7, 2012 7:54:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin FOT, I would like to add Warren Aplin to the list. His note below will serve to introduce him, and to illustrate how delightfully disorganized we are. wgaplin at bellsouth.net What say ye? Another TR4. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Warren Aplin To: n197tr4 Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 10:55 am Subject: FOT Joe, It was great meeting you at Road Atlanta. I have a green TR 4 #66 (we blew the engine on Thursday) that did not get out of the box for race weekend. I was on the old pit side with Predator Performance; they maintain my car at the track. Needless to say it was a long weekend for my daughter and me. She was going to race with group 2 and I was going to run the Triumph events. My car now #66 is on the FOT website as #75 from several years and owners ago. I have owned it about six years now. I am told it is a Rick Klein car from the 60bs or 70bs. I only have log books back to the early 90bs ( think that is when it was resurrected. As I explained, I have tried to join the FOT and sent emails but never heard back. I have gone on the site numerous times. It appeared you guys had a lot of fun. I kind of wished I was on the other side of the pits with all the other Triumphs. I would like to be part of the FOT. There were stickers on the car when I bought it, it has since been repainted. I need more stickers. We are rebuilding the engine; I have a spare, but have been waiting for steel crank for months, so now we have two to build. Glenn Effinger out of Stuart, FL is the wrench. He does a great job. We will try to be ready for HSR Savannah in October. My name was on the shirt, (spelled wrong, but still cool). George Wright was kind enough to make one available to me, as I was not part of (did not know anything about) the preorder. It was much appreciated. I did get a signed poster, that was cool too. Thanks again Warren Aplin 2795 se ranch acres circle Jupiter, Florida 33478 561-748-8187, cell 954-520-8681 wgaplin at bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon May 7 07:02:13 2012 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 06:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin In-Reply-To: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1336395733.97189.YahooMailNeo@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> second!!! I dont know why Warren isnt already on the list .... sounds like a great addition ... Welcome!!! Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: wgaplin at bellsouth.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin FOT, I would like to add Warren Aplin to the list. His note below will serve to introduce him, and to illustrate how delightfully disorganized we are. wgaplin at bellsouth.net What say ye? Another TR4. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Warren Aplin To: n197tr4 Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 10:55 am Subject: FOT Joe, It was great meeting you at Road Atlanta. I have a green TR 4 #66 (we blew the engine on Thursday) that did not get out of the box for race weekend. I was on the old pit side with Predator Performance; they maintain my car at the track. Needless to say it was a long weekend for my daughter and me. She was going to race with group 2 and I was going to run the Triumph events. My car now #66 is on the FOT website as #75 from several years and owners ago. I have owned it about six years now. I am told it is a Rick Klein car from the 60bs or 70bs. I only have log books back to the early 90bs ( think that is when it was resurrected. As I explained, I have tried to join the FOT and sent emails but never heard back. I have gone on the site numerous times. It appeared you guys had a lot of fun. I kind of wished I was on the other side of the pits with all the other Triumphs. I would like to be part of the FOT. There were stickers on the car when I bought it, it has since been repainted. I need more stickers. We are rebuilding the engine; I have a spare, but have been waiting for steel crank for months, so now we have two to build. Glenn Effinger out of Stuart, FL is the wrench. He does a great job. We will try to be ready for HSR Savannah in October. My name was on the shirt, (spelled wrong, but still cool). George Wright was kind enough to make one available to me, as I was not part of (did not know anything about) the preorder. It was much appreciated. I did get a signed poster, that was cool too. Thanks again Warren Aplin 2795 se ranch acres circle Jupiter, Florida 33478 561-748-8187, cell 954-520-8681 wgaplin at bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tstrange at sbcglobal.net From fubog1 at aol.com Mon May 7 07:04:32 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin In-Reply-To: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CEFA6913C9E130-12A4-B55@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> Heck I thought Warren was already on the list, second for sure. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: wgaplin Cc: fot Sent: Mon, May 7, 2012 8:54 am Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin FOT, I would like to add Warren Aplin to the list. His note below will serve to introduce him, and to illustrate how delightfully disorganized we are. wgaplin at bellsouth.net What say ye? Another TR4. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Warren Aplin To: n197tr4 Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 10:55 am Subject: FOT Joe, It was great meeting you at Road Atlanta. I have a green TR 4 #66 (we blew the engine on Thursday) that did not get out of the box for race weekend. I was on the old pit side with Predator Performance; they maintain my car at the track. Needless to say it was a long weekend for my daughter and me. She was going to race with group 2 and I was going to run the Triumph events. My car now #66 is on the FOT website as #75 from several years and owners ago. I have owned it about six years now. I am told it is a Rick Klein car from the 60bs or 70bs. I only have log books back to the early 90bs ( think that is when it was resurrected. As I explained, I have tried to join the FOT and sent emails but never heard back. I have gone on the site numerous times. It appeared you guys had a lot of fun. I kind of wished I was on the other side of the pits with all the other Triumphs. I would like to be part of the FOT. There were stickers on the car when I bought it, it has since been repainted. I need more stickers. We are rebuilding the engine; I have a spare, but have been waiting for steel crank for months, so now we have two to build. Glenn Effinger out of Stuart, FL is the wrench. He does a great job. We will try to be ready for HSR Savannah in October. My name was on the shirt, (spelled wrong, but still cool). George Wright was kind enough to make one available to me, as I was not part of (did not know anything about) the preorder. It was much appreciated. I did get a signed poster, that was cool too. Thanks again Warren Aplin 2795 se ranch acres circle Jupiter, Florida 33478 561-748-8187, cell 954-520-8681 wgaplin at bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon May 7 07:19:33 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin In-Reply-To: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: SECOND. Welcome! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon May 7 07:24:36 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:24:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336333658.36438.YahooMailNeo@web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local><1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336333658.36438.YahooMailNeo@web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good thought.....any idea what the secret hand shake should be? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Munson Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 3:48 PM To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com; Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Hooray for the Yellow cars! Should we start our own secret unorganized FOT sub chapter? Mike ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Bobby, You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. :-) BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength in numbers. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon May 7 07:30:11 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:30:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin In-Reply-To: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net>, <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Second, anybody with a blown engine cant be all bad. Marty > To: wgaplin at bellsouth.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 07:49:06 -0400 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin > > FOT, > > I would like to add Warren Aplin to the list. His note below will serve to > introduce him, and to illustrate how delightfully disorganized we are. > wgaplin at bellsouth.net > > What say ye? Another TR4. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Warren Aplin > To: n197tr4 > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 10:55 am > Subject: FOT > > > > Joe, > It was great meeting you at Road Atlanta. I have a green TR 4 #66 (we blew > the engine on Thursday) that did not get out of the box for race weekend. I > was on the old pit side with Predator Performance; they maintain my car at the > track. Needless to say it was a long weekend for my daughter and me. She was > going to race with group 2 and I was going to run the Triumph events. My car > now #66 is on the FOT website as #75 from several years and owners ago. I > have owned it about six years now. I am told it is a Rick Klein car from the > 60bs or 70bs. I only have log books back to the early 90bs ( think > that is when it was resurrected. > > As I explained, I have tried to join the FOT and sent emails but never heard > back. I have gone on the site numerous times. It appeared you guys had a lot > of fun. I kind of wished I was on the other side of the pits with all the > other Triumphs. I would like to be part of the FOT. There were stickers on > the car when I bought it, it has since been repainted. I need more stickers. > > We are rebuilding the engine; I have a spare, but have been waiting for steel > crank for months, so now we have two to build. Glenn Effinger out of Stuart, > FL is the wrench. He does a great job. We will try to be ready for HSR > Savannah in October. > > My name was on the shirt, (spelled wrong, but still cool). George Wright was > kind enough to make one available to me, as I was not part of (did not know > anything about) the preorder. It was much appreciated. I did get a signed > poster, that was cool too. > > Thanks again > > Warren Aplin > 2795 se ranch acres circle > Jupiter, Florida 33478 > 561-748-8187, cell 954-520-8681 > wgaplin at bellsouth.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon May 7 07:35:51 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:35:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: <9B88022E-A573-4634-829F-F1843C27FF4C@bnj.com> References: , <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <20120505100627.D90612D0B82@autox.team.net>, <9B88022E-A573-4634-829F-F1843C27FF4C@bnj.com> Message-ID: <8F2F3D3CCE4F42BABBD6BD889C75D11A@gdhs.local> Yes, Bill....that's where my dealing with indexing came from, TZ250 Yamaha's....we found indexing them towards the rear transfer ports worked best. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:ponobill at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 11:20 PM To: Kas Kastner Cc: jhhasty at gdhs.com; MadMarx; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs Mostly a carryover from high perfornace two stroke motors where transfer port swirl could play havoc with a spark. Or at least people thought it did. One more thing to fiddle with. On May 5, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Indexing to me was making sure that the ground electrode was not in a > position where the piston could not close the gap and kill the engine. More Power? > You're kidding! TR-3,4 engines do not have that problem unless you run > a pop-up. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> From: jhhasty at gdhs.com >> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:17:40 -0400 >> To: tr4racing at googlemail.com >> CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs >> >> Making the open end of the electrods all point to the intake valves >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 5, 2012, at 4:45 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: >> >>> What does indexing mean? >>> >>> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sherry robyn >>> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 >>> To: Friends >>> Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs >>> >>> Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from >> indexing >>> plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon May 7 07:38:56 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:38:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Lotus Super 7 1500cc pre-cross flow Message-ID: <78900E5CD1F642A2AD3F843C6C32187E@gdhs.local> If there is anyone among us interested in going faster, this, in my humble opinion, is one of the fastest 7's on the east coast. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. _____ From: cea127 at aol.com [mailto:cea127 at aol.com] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 8:49 PM To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; peter at peterkrause.net Subject: Fwd: Lotus Super 7 1500cc pre-cross flow -----Original Message----- From: Robert Colaizzi To: Cone Caeser ; Heller Geoff ; leechapmanracing ; Cook Rick ; Nevoral Barb ; Alex Quattlebaum ; AMQJR ; Bok Jim ; MacEachern Brian ; Donato Jim ; Elliott Brian ; Ford Manley.L ; Foss Charlie ; Hayes Charlie ; Luken Bill ; Schardt Dave ; Woehrle Jack ; Schardt Jim Sent: Sat, May 5, 2012 2:54 pm Subject: Lotus Super 7 1500cc pre-cross flow I am floating the pics of the Lotus to test the market. It hasn't finished lower than 5th in all the time I've owned it and has finished up front about half the time. It has no time on it since complete pre season prep by Jim Steck, including tear down and inspect engine, transmission, drive shaft, with parts replacement as necessary. The car has been almost completely re skinned and the upholstery updated. Some track spares. Fully adjustable front suspension. New belts. New rotors (not installed yet). Three sets of alloy wheels with sticker rains. If a driver can't put this car up front, it won't be the car's fault. $41,000. Bob Bob Colaizzi ColaizziDesign LLC www.colaizzidesign.com rcolaizzi at colaizzidesign.com c+937.477.5530 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0030.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0029.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0020.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0022.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0024.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0026.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0027.JPG] From BillDentin at aol.com Mon May 7 07:41:20 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Subject: Indexing plugs Message-ID: <32bad.6dbe8da6.3cd92b00@aol.com> In a message dated 05/05/2012 6:17:11 PM Central Daylight Time, Catpusher at aol.com writes: > We could not measure any change, and we run popups and a high CR; we went > > to MSD and then Electromotive and ran to 7200RPM with our TR3. > Hi Hardy... 7200! WOW! Our mechanic, Kevin Potter, said that he used to index the plugs on our engines, but did not see any gains worth the effort. Kevin was big in Karting for a while, with his two daughters as drivers. He said that on the Briggs and Stratton Kart engines, there were significant gains to be made. Those engines were of a flathead design. It seemed the shrouding of the electrode was more important on that type of engine. He thinks, usually the main reason for indexing is with a domed, or popup piston, if they are not indexed properly, when the piston is at TDC, it will smash the plug because of clearance. Bill Dentinger From fasttrs at yahoo.com Mon May 7 08:15:14 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 07:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin Message-ID: <1336400114.71364.YahooMailMobile@web46102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Sounds good to me! Second. From wensley_tr at comcast.net Mon May 7 09:03:12 2012 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 11:03:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit In-Reply-To: <0228E310-8FE8-4F4B-8E91-15C884F146F4@me.com> References: <0228E310-8FE8-4F4B-8E91-15C884F146F4@me.com> Message-ID: <005001cd2c62$85e7cab0$91b76010$@net> Your there to race, not get run over by the big boys Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 7:45 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit looking at the registration, I see some of the big Triumphs in Group 1 and some in Group 3. Any logic? I picked Group 3 cuz I didn't want to run with all the Porsches. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From rodkent at cox.net Mon May 7 09:32:43 2012 From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 11:32:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: <8F2F3D3CCE4F42BABBD6BD889C75D11A@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <20120507113243.YZJ6H.770478.imail@eastrmwml213> Hi, I don't think there is much to be gained by indexing on our motors, however I have always felt it important to use copper washers to regulate the thread ingagement in the head. I think its important not to have any of the bottom threads of the plug appearing in the combustion chambers, those sharp edges can act like a glow plug, a good cause of pre ignition.thx ---- john hasty wrote: Yes, Bill....that's where my dealing with indexing came from, TZ250 Yamaha's....we found indexing them towards the rear transfer ports worked best. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:ponobill at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 11:20 PM To: Kas Kastner Cc: jhhasty at gdhs.com; MadMarx; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs Mostly a carryover from high perfornace two stroke motors where transfer port swirl could play havoc with a spark. Or at least people thought it did. One more thing to fiddle with. On May 5, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Indexing to me was making sure that the ground electrode was not in a > position where the piston could not close the gap and kill the engine. More Power? > You're kidding! TR-3,4 engines do not have that problem unless you run > a pop-up. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> From: jhhasty at gdhs.com >> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:17:40 -0400 >> To: tr4racing at googlemail.com >> CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs >> >> Making the open end of the electrods all point to the intake valves >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 5, 2012, at 4:45 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: >> >>> What does indexing mean? >>> >>> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sherry robyn >>> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 >>> To: Friends >>> Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs >>> >>> Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from >> indexing >>> plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rodkent at cox.net From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon May 7 11:51:27 2012 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 10:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Jeff Quick won Race #2 for Group 2 in SOVREN Spring Sprints Message-ID: <1336413087.57568.YahooMailNeo@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I figured I would send this out the to FOT. Jeff and his Dad Ray do such a great job representing FOT and Triumph in general, carring on the flag for two generations. Jeff led the charge yesterday at Pacific Raceways against a nice mix of cars from 356 Porsches to Alpha's. Parker Johnston was in our race running a midget. Other FOT folks included John James, Charly Mitchel, Steve Hare and Me. We had a nice weekend with no major mechanical or on track issues. Jeff is a modest guy who works hard to be fast with huge support from his family and his Dad Ray. Great Job Jeff. Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon May 7 12:08:02 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 14:08:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] sighting Message-ID: <5094B33A7B114CAE8DAF9437FB9A984B@owner8914bbf7f> Hi gang, I've got a bald eagle sitting in a tree a couple hundred yards from my barn. Most impressive. The bird was eating on a dead woodchuck that I shot a couple days ago, about 30 yards from the barn, saw me coming, and took off for the tree. Great sight. Bill From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon May 7 13:42:58 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 15:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Jeff Quick won Race #2 for Group 2 in SOVREN Spring Sprints In-Reply-To: <1336413087.57568.YahooMailNeo@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336413087.57568.YahooMailNeo@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In the "faceworld" parlance: LIKE!!! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bownes at seiri.com Mon May 7 14:34:44 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 16:34:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] sighting In-Reply-To: <5094B33A7B114CAE8DAF9437FB9A984B@owner8914bbf7f> References: <5094B33A7B114CAE8DAF9437FB9A984B@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: Pretty awesome sight. We have a nesting pair that hunt in the fields behind the house. Now if I could only get them to deliver car parts... On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:08 PM, william r tobin wrote: > Hi gang, I've got a bald eagle sitting in a tree a couple hundred yards > from > my barn. Most impressive. > The bird was eating on a dead woodchuck that I shot a couple days ago, > about > 30 yards from the barn, saw me coming, and took off for the tree. > Great sight. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 7 19:03:46 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 19:03:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] sighting In-Reply-To: <5094B33A7B114CAE8DAF9437FB9A984B@owner8914bbf7f> References: <5094B33A7B114CAE8DAF9437FB9A984B@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: <4FA870F2.8080401@bradakis.com> Neat. At the risk of upsetting folks with a non-racing story I saw an eagle once. Well, I've seen many eagles. The one that I remember was on the way to a climbing trip in the Tetons. I had driven most of the way from Salt Lake after a dead of night start. We got to Alpine, Wyoming just before dawn, I was tired, another guy took over driving. It might have been my old '67 Coronet wagon. Anyway, we start heading up Alpine Canyon along the Snake River. I was trying to get comfy in the back seat for a nap. Along the way I sat up to rearrange the sweaters and such I was using for a pillow and glanced out the window. It was a cool, foggy morning in the dim light of the breaking dawn. A *huge* Golden eagle swoops out of the mist, snags a fish from the river and disappears into the swirling gray. Beautiful! I'm still glad that I happened to look out the window at that very moment. mjb. From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon May 7 22:11:06 2012 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 21:11:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jeff Quick won Race #2 for Group 2 in SOVREN Spring Sprints In-Reply-To: <1336413087.57568.YahooMailNeo@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336413087.57568.YahooMailNeo@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I missed Bob Scollard in his Spitfire. 6 Triumphs. Sent from my Kindle Fire _____________________________________________ From: Mike Mehl Sent: Mon May 07 10:51:27 PDT 2012 To: Triumph Friends of Subject: Jeff Quick won Race #2 for Group 2 in SOVREN Spring Sprints I figured I would send this out the to FOT. Jeff and his Dad Ray do such a great job representing FOT and Triumph in general, carring on the flag for two generations. Jeff led the charge yesterday at Pacific Raceways against a nice mix of cars from 356 Porsches to Alpha's. Parker Johnston was in our race running a midget. Other FOT folks included John James, Charly Mitchel, Steve Hare and Me. We had a nice weekend with no major mechanical or on track issues. Jeff is a modest guy who works hard to be fast with huge support from his family and his Dad Ray. Great Job Jeff. Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Tue May 8 06:52:49 2012 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:52:49 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] TR-3 parts car Message-ID: <6285092.1336481569828.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> /local/mailman/lynxXXXX3hoSik: Permission denied From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue May 8 07:50:22 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 09:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Mitty Pix Message-ID: Hi, I put the first test set up there. I didn't take time to caption or anything, and I will do that with the ones I post from now on... In any case, these ones are from the THU test sessions. Mostly they consistn of Henry Frye, David Cizmas, Burt Levy (driving George Wright's car), Susan Kahler, Patrick Starr in the Morgan and Bill Hart in the Devin / Triumph. I'll ping the list when I post some more. The photos are posted "royalty free" to FOT members. I will ping the FOT list later with details on that, but I may ask folks who want to use the pix to donate to a charity race event that New England Region SCCA runs every year. More on that later too. In any case, I'm working on getting the shots up there. If you want the pix cropped or otherwise doctored, contact me off-list (use blang at mit.edu, please) as I can fix the ones where the subject is off-center and stuff like that. Oh, and if you notice focus problems, let me know. I was using a new camera body and I may have set the auto focus setting incorrectly so some of the pix are a bit fuzzy. Actually, some are downright unrecognizable - but I think I sorted most of them out already. I also have a pile of head shots which I may or may not post at photobucket... c ya, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue May 8 09:05:49 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 11:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Link to Pix Message-ID: Hi, oops - try: http://s1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh632/bob_lang/ rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue May 8 09:11:02 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 11:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Mitty Pix Message-ID: Hi, I put the first test set up there. I didn't take time to caption or anything, and I will do that with the ones I post from now on... http://s1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh632/bob_lang/ In any case, these ones are from the THU test sessions. Mostly they consistn of Henry Frye, David Cizmas, Burt Levy (driving George Wright's car), Susan Kahler, Patrick Starr in the Morgan and Bill Hart in the Devin / Triumph. I'll ping the list when I post some more. The photos are posted "royalty free" to FOT members. I will ping the FOT list later with details on that, but I may ask folks who want to use the pix to donate to a charity race event that New England Region SCCA runs every year. More on that later too. In any case, I'm working on getting the shots up there. If you want the pix cropped or otherwise doctored, contact me off-list (use blang at mit.edu, please) as I can fix the ones where the subject is off-center and stuff like that. Oh, and if you notice focus problems, let me know. I was using a new camera body and I may have set the auto focus setting incorrectly so some of the pix are a bit fuzzy. Actually, some are downright unrecognizable - but I think I sorted most of them out already. I also have a pile of head shots which I may or may not post at photobucket... c ya, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Tue May 8 10:43:32 2012 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:43:32 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] TR-3 parts car Message-ID: <16778062.1336495412499.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> /local/mailman/lynxXXXX3F2mg7: Permission denied From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue May 8 12:40:23 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers Message-ID: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened washers for racing purposes? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 8 14:31:56 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:31:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> Message-ID: British Frame & Engine has all that stuff, but we use Isky springs from some NASCAR type Ford motor. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 2:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened washers for racing purposes? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue May 8 15:12:37 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 17:12:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> Message-ID: Try Isky- but you will need to know what spring pressure your cam maker requires at both open and closed positions. For example, my GT6 cam requires a closed pressure of 62 lb and an open pressure with 1.55 rockers of 185 lb. My machinist also tells me that the initial values of new springs will drop off significantly after a few heat cycles. I'm assuming Isky and others will sell you springs that will "end up" at the range you want, rather than start out there, if in fact this machinist is correct. On May 8, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened washers for racing purposes? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue May 8 15:50:27 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:50:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> Message-ID: <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> The cam is a Kastner G3 and the rockers are stock TR4 with 1.55:1 ratio. The measured cam lift is 0.342 giving a measured valve lift of 0.480 with 0.016 tappet clearance. This gives an actual ratio of 1.45:1, valve lift + tappet clearance to cam lift. We use a "red line" of 6000 RPM. I checked Good Parts but he only lists TR6 parts, at least that I saw. Are the TR6 and TR4 valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seats interchangeable? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 From: hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com [mailto:hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:54 PM To: timmurph at fastbytes.com Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers i cannot help you with a parts without a lot of photos which I might not recognize anyway, BUT, that is way way to low a seat pressrue. I don' know your cam, but if it is high lifter from Larry or something like my old G-3 then you want about 125 pounds on the seat. Never be beaten by equipment > From: timmurph at fastbytes.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:23 -0500 > CC: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have > about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in > his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled > height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. > He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified > height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of > the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the > suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened > washers for racing purposes? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim and Ryan > > 1961 TR4 #317 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 8 16:46:23 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 18:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> Message-ID: <8CEFB83871B35F5-BC0-110EF@Webmail-m110.sysops.aol.com> Tim, Pretty sure our assemblies are from BFE. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: Tim Murphy Cc: ryan.murphy ; fot Sent: Tue, May 8, 2012 5:38 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers Try Isky- but you will need to know what spring pressure your cam maker requires at both open and closed positions. For example, my GT6 cam requires a closed pressure of 62 lb and an open pressure with 1.55 rockers of 185 lb. My machinist also tells me that the initial values of new springs will drop off significantly after a few heat cycles. I'm assuming Isky and others will sell you springs that will "end up" at the range you want, rather than start out there, if in fact this machinist is correct. On May 8, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened washers for racing purposes? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Tue May 8 18:50:24 2012 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 20:50:24 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR-3 parts car Message-ID: <26925839.1336524624873.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> /local/mailman/lynxXXXX8pU4co: Permission denied From tjwakeman at gmail.com Wed May 9 07:11:43 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 06:11:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Web site is back online Message-ID: <4FAA6D0F.10300@gmail.com> Just to let people know my Triumph web site is back up on the net. www.tr3a.info From requests, it appears that my TR2-4A cylinder head page is by far the most popular www.tr3a.info/FAQ_heads.htm Hopefully all the links are working. Please let me know if you find one that leads to the dreaded 404 page. My apologies for having the site down for so long. Moving it required most links to be relinked and being the first spring in a new house, landscaping a bare yard took priority over everything. But finally the site is back up and hopefully all the links go where they should and hopefully all the new plants will grow properly and I will not have to rent a jackhammer again to punch through hard pan before additional planting. Again, sorry for being offline for so long. TeriAnn www.tjwakeman.net www.tr3a.info www.expeditionlandrover.info www.aladdinlamps.info From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 9 08:07:32 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 10:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Mitty Pix Message-ID: Hi, I posted 199 more pictures last night: http://s1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh632/bob_lang/Mitty%202012%20Triumph%20Shots/#!cpZZ4QQtppZZ20 If you can't get there by that link, going to www.photobucket.com and searching on bob_lang should get you to my pictures. The folder with 200 pix is called "Mitty 2012 Triumph Shots" or something like that. If I get messages to the effect of "I can't get to the pix", I'll post a tinyurl to the list. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 9 10:20:37 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MItty Pix Message-ID: Hi, Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 Enjoy! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 9 10:54:57 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Mitty Pix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 9 May 2012, john hasty wrote: > Nice shots Robert, how does one go about printing an 8x10 of a shot? Excellent question! I really haven't fleshed that out, but if you see a picture or pictures that you like, I can either edit/crop and send you the full image electronically and you can have your local one-hour place do it, or I can get it processed and send it you for my cost (which I have not determined yet). But if you see something you like, click on the link "photo info" and make a note of the picture number, e.g. IMG_7174.jpg or whatever. That'll make it easier for me to fish it out of the thousands of pictures that I shot at the event. Seeing that there's only 40 or so FOTs that were racing, I'm thinking electronic distribution won't be too bad... physical picture distribution would be a different matter (read more complicated and $$$ involved). I'd rather not do physical distribution, please. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From vintage.racer at comcast.net Wed May 9 11:24:37 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 17:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Trackside Support/Maintenance Message-ID: <42350960.283263.1336584277821.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello: Anyone know of a race shop in the Northern Indiana area (specifically South Bend or close by) that could maintain and offer track side support for a TR4? Thanks. Gary From mnewman at embarqmail.com Wed May 9 14:00:59 2012 From: mnewman at embarqmail.com (William T newman) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Link to Pix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <426731843.2723065.1336593659848.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Great pictures Bob. Thank you! Bill Newman #44 GT6 ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 08 May 2012 11:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Fot] Link to Pix Hi, oops - try: http://s1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh632/bob_lang/ rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mnewman at embarqmail.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Wed May 9 17:21:06 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:21:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing, etc. Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D4A@TITAN.dwholdings.local> After breaking at Willow Springs we discovered my GT6 rocker shaft had been installed incorrectly by the engine builder. It was not properly retained by the setscrew, rotated, and reduced oil flow through the shaft. Consequently, the forward three rockers were starved for oil. The #1 rocker (forward-most) seized on the shaft, and broke. The #2 rocker scored the shaft, and the #3 did score a bit as well. A simple blunder that totally screwed me out of a good race weekend. The GT6 has been problematic, to say the least, but I still love it. We feel that when we get it back together, most of the teething problems will be resolved. When it's running, it's a real blast to drive. I just made a deal to buy a very well prepared Spitfire; ex Jerry Craft, Jerry Alford and possibly Buster Callahan. Renewed & rebuilt by Joe Siam. After driving a Sports Renault last weekend at the VARA British Extravaganza, I decided that another Triumph would be a better fit than the sports racer. I'll pick up the Spit tomorrow. Hoping to have a running Triumph race car available for all events we wish to run. Ed Dunn From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed May 9 18:52:21 2012 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 19:52:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mitty Pix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002201cd2e47$28a7be50$79f73af0$@rr.com> Nicely done. Thankyou. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:08 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty Pix Hi, I posted 199 more pictures last night: http://s1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh632/bob_lang/Mitty%202012%20Triumph%20 Shots/#!cpZZ4QQtppZZ20 If you can't get there by that link, going to www.photobucket.com and searching on bob_lang should get you to my pictures. The folder with 200 pix is called "Mitty 2012 Triumph Shots" or something like that. If I get messages to the effect of "I can't get to the pix", I'll post a tinyurl to the list. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4988 - Release Date: 05/09/12 From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed May 9 19:36:14 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 21:36:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] PittRace visit Message-ID: <47961A5C26A44FB88A6BE13E37922FA4@owner8914bbf7f> Hi All, I took the TR6 to BeaveRun, now PittRace, today for a shakedown run. Everything worked fine. It was a 4PM to 8PM session. There were only a few cars there, so we could basically drive to our heart's content. There were two new McLaren stret cars there; very impressive. A Corvette, a 911, a Miata, a BMW, and myself. Lots of track time. PittRace is under new management. Part of the paddock has been paved, new garages being built, and the entrance road has been paved. Finally! I'm doing the Jefferson 500 next week at Summit Point. Bill From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed May 9 19:51:18 2012 From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:51:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing, etc. References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D4A@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: Be sure to take a look at the cam, lifters and pushrods. If the rocker arms siezed on the shaft and then broke, the loads on the cam lifters and pushrods also went way up also. There may be more damage than there might at first appear to be. The valves and guides at the front of the engine may also have suffered. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Dunn" To: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 4:21 PM Subject: [Fot] Racing, etc. > After breaking at Willow Springs we discovered my GT6 rocker shaft had > been > installed incorrectly by the engine builder. It was not properly retained > by > the setscrew, rotated, and reduced oil flow through the shaft. > Consequently, > the forward three rockers were starved for oil. The #1 rocker > (forward-most) > seized on the shaft, and broke. The #2 rocker scored the shaft, and the > #3 > did score a bit as well. A simple blunder that totally screwed me out of > a > good race weekend. > > The GT6 has been problematic, to say the least, but I still love it. We > feel > that when we get it back together, most of the teething problems will be > resolved. When it's running, it's a real blast to drive. > > I just made a deal to buy a very well prepared Spitfire; ex Jerry Craft, > Jerry > Alford and possibly Buster Callahan. Renewed & rebuilt by Joe Siam. > After > driving a Sports Renault last weekend at the VARA British Extravaganza, I > decided that another Triumph would be a better fit than the sports racer. > I'll pick up the Spit tomorrow. Hoping to have a running Triumph race car > available for all events we wish to run. > > Ed Dunn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed May 9 19:57:29 2012 From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:57:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> Message-ID: A G-3 cam should have over 110 lbs pressure on the seat. With light valves and other gear, we use 105 on the seat with an F cam, which has more gentle action than a G-3. We use a rev limit of 6800 RPM. With the "F" cam and 105 on the seat, the valves will "float" at 7200 rpm. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Kas Kastner'" Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > The cam is a Kastner G3 and the rockers are stock TR4 with 1.55:1 ratio. > The measured cam lift is 0.342 giving a measured valve lift of 0.480 with > 0.016 tappet clearance. This gives an actual ratio of 1.45:1, valve lift > + > tappet clearance to cam lift. We use a "red line" of 6000 RPM. > > > > I checked Good Parts but he only lists TR6 parts, at least that I saw. > Are > the TR6 and TR4 valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seats > interchangeable? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim and Ryan > > 1961 TR4 #317 > > > > From: hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com > [mailto:hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:54 PM > To: timmurph at fastbytes.com > Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, > suppliers > > > > i cannot help you with a parts without a lot of photos which I might not > recognize anyway, BUT, that is way way to low a seat pressrue. I don' > know > your cam, but if it is high lifter from Larry or something like my old G-3 > then you want about 125 pounds on the seat. > > Never be beaten by equipment > > >> From: timmurph at fastbytes.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:23 -0500 >> CC: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov >> Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers >> >> The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only > have >> about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, >> in >> his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled >> height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the > head. >> He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified >> height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of >> the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the >> suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened >> washers for racing purposes? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Tim and Ryan >> >> 1961 TR4 #317 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From tony at tonydrews.com Wed May 9 21:36:46 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 22:36:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> Message-ID: <31d317dba5e192b1e194de149d79a77c.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com> Ken Gillanders at BFE (British Frame and Engine) has good springs, titanium retainers, ARP rocker studs, etc. etc. Tell him Tony says hi and to take good care of himself. Tony Drews > The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only > have > about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, > in > his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled > height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the > head. > He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified > height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of > the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the > suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened > washers for racing purposes? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim and Ryan > > 1961 TR4 #317 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu May 10 05:19:11 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 07:19:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Page 2 Message-ID: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> Hi again, at PittRace today I was talking to the general manager, John Blaine. When I mentioned my TR6, his eyes lit up. He has two Triumphs, a TR3 and Tr4, if I recall. Later, I had just unloaded when he stopped over to chat. Nice fellow. I'd like to nominate him for membership in our illustrious group. Another Triumph owner. How about that. Can I get a second? Thanks, Bill Tobin TR6 jr.blaine at pittrace.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu May 10 07:44:36 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 09:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Page 2 In-Reply-To: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> References: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: SECOND Now, you need to subliminally suggest that the track really needs to afford a perferential rate for track time to all Triumph drivers. ;-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 10 May 2012, william r tobin wrote: > Hi again, at PittRace today I was talking to the general manager, John Blaine. > When I mentioned my TR6, his eyes lit up. He has two Triumphs, a TR3 and Tr4, > if I recall. Later, I had just unloaded when he stopped over to chat. Nice > fellow. > I'd like to nominate him for membership in our illustrious group. Another > Triumph owner. How about that. > Can I get a second? > Thanks, Bill Tobin TR6 > jr.blaine at pittrace.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang at isis.mit.edu From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu May 10 09:10:54 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (trmarty at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 11:10:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Page 2 In-Reply-To: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> References: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: Second. Marty Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon Wirelessb" -----Original message----- From: william r tobin To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 11:19:11 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] Page 2 Hi again, at PittRace today I was talking to the general manager, John Blaine. When I mentioned my TR6, his eyes lit up. He has two Triumphs, a TR3 and Tr4, if I recall. Later, I had just unloaded when he stopped over to chat. Nice fellow. I'd like to nominate him for membership in our illustrious group. Another Triumph owner. How about that. Can I get a second? Thanks, Bill Tobin TR6 jr.blaine at pittrace.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 10 09:17:08 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 17:17:08 +0200 Subject: [Fot] The matter of size In-Reply-To: References: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: <003d01cd2ebf$fa4576a0$eed063e0$@com> http://htwins.net/scale2/scale2.swf?bordercolor=white From igofaster at att.net Thu May 10 10:18:04 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 09:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] MItty Pix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this morning... is that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix Hi, Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 Enjoy! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From igofaster at att.net Thu May 10 10:27:34 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 09:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Page 2 In-Reply-To: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> References: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: <1336667254.93174.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> 2nd if not already posted.. Bobby ________________________________ From: william r tobin To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 8:01:13 AM Subject: [Fot] Page 2 Hi again, at PittRace today I was talking to the general manager, John Blaine. When I mentioned my TR6, his eyes lit up. He has two Triumphs, a TR3 and Tr4, if I recall. Later, I had just unloaded when he stopped over to chat. Nice fellow. I'd like to nominate him for membership in our illustrious group. Another Triumph owner. How about that. Can I get a second? Thanks, Bill Tobin TR6 jr.blaine at pittrace.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu May 10 11:10:23 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MItty Pix In-Reply-To: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 May 2012, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this > morning... is that sympathy like an obituary ?? I'd say it's more like "that's a great looking car". >... love to have a copy > 8x10 to frame... I'll send you a hi-res image that you can put on a flash drive and get printed at your local 1-hour photo place. It would be best if you could choose which picture you like best - although with all those hits, I think we know which one to print. :-) > Bobby Whitehead regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sjanzen at me.com Thu May 10 12:12:23 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 14:12:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MItty Pix In-Reply-To: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <877CBD59-E2E4-4BE7-8D53-DDE0AF0DFDCF@me.com> Are we talking to the same guy who was almost ready to give up on this car after it broke? That's a pretty GT6, and I sure hope you stay committed to it! On May 10, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this morning... is that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix Hi, Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 Enjoy! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From jason at multivintage.com Thu May 10 12:16:39 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:16:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MItty Pix In-Reply-To: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Guess it recorded the 84 times you clicked on it last night. (and I peeked once) Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this > morning... is > that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Robert M. Lang > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix > > Hi, > > Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: > > http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 > > Enjoy! > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From cartravel at pobox.com Thu May 10 12:55:45 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:55:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> Message-ID: <4FAC0F31.9010109@pobox.com> If I remember right, 70 lbs is pretty close to the seat force recommended for a stock cam. Most racing cams use more. I recommend 95 lbs for my cams, but you will see others recommend much more. The more I look at this stuff the more I believe this is due to some of these cams not having or not using a ramp. The ramp is a low rate of lift (velocity) area where the lash is taken up and the impact occurs. I recently looked at a cam (not for a Triumph) from a big name manufacturer. With the recommended valve lash, the impact velocity was about half the maximum velocity and more than 5 times what it should have been. This is like hitting the valve with a hammer to open it and slamming it down on the seat when you close it. Under these circumstances the valve will bounce unless you have strong spring force. I have never looked at the G3 cam, so can't say anything about it, but I have observed this problem on other racing cams (Triumph and non-Triumph) and I believe it is the reason for such large spring forces even for our little engines with light valve trains. see http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tip_Lash.html On 5/8/2012 4:50 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > The cam is a Kastner G3 and the rockers are stock TR4 with 1.55:1 ratio. > The measured cam lift is 0.342 giving a measured valve lift of 0.480 with > 0.016 tappet clearance. This gives an actual ratio of 1.45:1, valve lift + > tappet clearance to cam lift. We use a "red line" of 6000 RPM. > > > > I checked Good Parts but he only lists TR6 parts, at least that I saw. Are > the TR6 and TR4 valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seats > interchangeable? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim and Ryan > > 1961 TR4 #317 > > > > From: hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com > [mailto:hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:54 PM > To: timmurph at fastbytes.com > Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > > > i cannot help you with a parts without a lot of photos which I might not > recognize anyway, BUT, that is way way to low a seat pressrue. I don' know > your cam, but if it is high lifter from Larry or something like my old G-3 > then you want about 125 pounds on the seat. > > Never be beaten by equipment > > >> From: timmurph at fastbytes.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:23 -0500 >> CC: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov >> Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers >> >> The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only > have >> about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in >> his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled >> height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the > head. >> He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified >> height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of >> the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the >> suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened >> washers for racing purposes? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Tim and Ryan >> >> 1961 TR4 #317 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From jr.blaine at pittrace.com Thu May 10 12:56:47 2012 From: jr.blaine at pittrace.com (John Blaine) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 18:56:47 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Page 2 In-Reply-To: <1336667254.93174.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> <1336667254.93174.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56AE820BF36D714E811E7B2A1E6593D323BAF1B3@SBSERVER.beaverun.local> Gentlemen, I truly appreciate the opportunity to join with other Triumph friends. I currently have a 1958 TR3 (all original with 33,000 miles) and a 1969 TR6 that I bought "in boxes" to race. Hopefully one of them (or both) will be up and running soon. Thanks again, John Pittsburgh International Race Complex www.pittrace.com/ 201 Penndale Road Wampum, PA 16157 724-535-1000 Ext 604 724-740-1046 FAX -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:28 PM To: william r tobin Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Page 2 2nd if not already posted.. Bobby ________________________________ From: william r tobin To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 8:01:13 AM Subject: [Fot] Page 2 Hi again, at PittRace today I was talking to the general manager, John Blaine. When I mentioned my TR6, his eyes lit up. He has two Triumphs, a TR3 and Tr4, if I recall. Later, I had just unloaded when he stopped over to chat. Nice fellow. I'd like to nominate him for membership in our illustrious group. Another Triumph owner. How about that. Can I get a second? Thanks, Bill Tobin TR6 jr.blaine at pittrace.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jr.blaine at pittrace.com From igofaster at att.net Thu May 10 13:05:40 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 12:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] MItty Pix In-Reply-To: <877CBD59-E2E4-4BE7-8D53-DDE0AF0DFDCF@me.com> References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <877CBD59-E2E4-4BE7-8D53-DDE0AF0DFDCF@me.com> Message-ID: <1336676740.78093.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> been busy with work and logistics, new grandbaby, family, travel... I Love my GT6 so, it WILL rise from the ashes... Bobby.... thanks Scott! ________________________________ From: Scott Janzen To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 1:12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix Are we talking to the same guy who was almost ready to give up on this car after it broke? That's a pretty GT6, and I sure hope you stay committed to it! On May 10, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this morning... is that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix Hi, Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 Enjoy! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From igofaster at att.net Thu May 10 13:08:04 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 12:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: MItty Pix In-Reply-To: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1336676884.67839.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I did tag myself on Facebook.... and DID click a 'few' times.... awesome... Bobby ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Jason Ostrowski To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: Robert M. Lang ; FoT Triumph Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 1:16:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix Guess it recorded the 84 times you clicked on it last night. (and I peeked once) Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this morning... is >that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... >Bobby Whitehead > > > > >________________________________ >From: Robert M. Lang >To: fot at autox.team.net >Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix > > >Hi, > >Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: > >http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 > >Enjoy! >rml >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent >Former NER Solo Chair | >Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From tedtsimx at bright.net Thu May 10 13:47:39 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 15:47:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirt - last call Message-ID: <4FAC1B5B.5050001@bright.net> Hello lists. The Kastner Cup t.shirt program is approaching the end of the ordering period. Monday is the last day to order. This shirt was very popular at the recent Mitty Vintage Race. If we have enough orders to do another run, we will. If not, no harm - no foul. We need your name, address, size and method of payment by close of business Monday. Tuesday will be go or no go time. Price is $15 for small - x-large and $18 for XXL or XXXL. Thanks for your time. Ted Shirt can be viewed at this link: http://littlebluespitfire.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=6612 -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US& Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu May 10 14:05:13 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 16:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Headshots From Mitty 2012 Message-ID: Hi, Here are some headshots from the Mitty. http://tinyurl.com/72pzx3f There are def. some keepers in there. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu May 10 15:16:53 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 17:16:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: MItty Pix In-Reply-To: <1336676884.67839.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336676884.67839.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bobby I looked a few times too....and then showed the photos a few times....so now your in the sixties or seventy times you looked...and to me all the GT-6s looked good...for that matter there were alot of good looking race cars.....but the Spitfire with the GT-6 motor all "dollied "up by the Classic Motor Sport tent looked really nice and a good job that was done on that modification...hope that you all saw that one. On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I did tag myself on Facebook.... and DID click a 'few' times.... > awesome... > Bobby > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Jason Ostrowski > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: Robert M. Lang ; FoT Triumph > Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 1:16:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix > > > Guess it recorded the 84 times you clicked on it last night. (and I peeked > once) > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > > > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bobby Whitehead > wrote: > > any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this > morning... is > >that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to > frame... > >Bobby Whitehead > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > >From: Robert M. Lang > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM > >Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix > > > > > >Hi, > > > >Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: > > > >http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 > > > >Enjoy! > >rml > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > >Former NER Solo Chair | > >Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > > > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu May 10 18:14:18 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:14:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: MItty Pix In-Reply-To: References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336676884.67839.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have decided I hate 6's they are slow in the twisted and fast on straights Sent from my iPhone On May 10, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Robert Deanes wrote: > Bobby I looked a few times too....and then showed the photos a few > times....so now your in the sixties or seventy times you looked...and to me > all the GT-6s looked good...for that matter there were alot of good looking > race cars.....but the Spitfire with the GT-6 motor all "dollied "up by the > Classic Motor Sport tent looked really nice and a good job that was done on > that modification...hope that you all saw that one. > > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> I did tag myself on Facebook.... and DID click a 'few' times.... >> awesome... >> Bobby >> >> >> >> ----- Forwarded Message ---- >> From: Jason Ostrowski >> To: Bobby Whitehead >> Cc: Robert M. Lang ; FoT Triumph >> Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 1:16:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix >> >> >> Guess it recorded the 84 times you clicked on it last night. (and I peeked >> once) >> Jason Ostrowski >> Friendly Ghost Racing >> >> >> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bobby Whitehead >> wrote: >> >> any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this >> morning... is >>> that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to >> frame... >>> Bobby Whitehead >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Robert M. Lang >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: >>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 >>> >>> Enjoy! >>> rml >> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent >>> Former NER Solo Chair | >>> Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From kkjjk at aol.com Thu May 10 19:24:05 2012 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 21:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirt - last call In-Reply-To: <4FAC1B5B.5050001@bright.net> References: <4FAC1B5B.5050001@bright.net> Message-ID: <8CEFD2BE3BCC06E-146C-1A6E9@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> Ted - I am in for two: One large and one XXL---- Thanks very much-- Jay De Pol, 804 Thompson Creek Road, Stevensville, MD. 21666. I can pay by check or CC. Please give me your phone number and which method of payment you prefer. -----Original Message----- From: Ted Schumacher To: FOT ; TR list ; TR8 CCCA Listing ; spitfires ; nass Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 5:46 pm Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirt - last call Hello lists. The Kastner Cup t.shirt program is approaching the end of the ordering period. Monday is the last day to order. This shirt was very popular at the recent Mitty Vintage Race. If we have enough orders to do another run, we will. If not, no harm - no foul. We need your name, address, size and method of payment by close of business Monday. Tuesday will be go or no go time. Price is $15 for small - x-large and $18 for XXL or XXXL. Thanks for your time. Ted Shirt can be viewed at this link: http://littlebluespitfire.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=6612 -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US& Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu May 10 19:43:32 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 18:43:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FAC6EC4.9020103@comcast.net> Sorry to be so slow in responding to this - a bit late in catching up on e-mail. I needed a new set of headers about 3 years back when I switched from an 1147 to a 1300. I had a set of Stahl headers, but they were very old and beat. My frame and bellhousing had already been notched to fit them. I called and talked with Jere Stahl. Bottom line was he told me to call around and look for a used set - didn't want to be bothered with making a new one for me. I also tried a set of Pace headers, but they are for a street car and hang too far below the frame to work on a race car. I ended up having a set of 4 into 1 headers custom made for me. My engine builder gave the specs to the fabricator and I set him up with a dummy engine/gearbox./frame to work with. It wasn't cheap, but they seem to work really well. I do have an extra header flange as I had them cut out two just in case. My car is HP legal, limited prep. On 5/3/2012 9:42 AM, George Harmuth wrote: > I was looking at the various Spit engines in the paddock but I forgot to > ask what kind of headers people were using. My car came with a set of Tri-Y > and I replaced them with a new set two years ago. My understanding is these > style help with low to mid range power. After getting passed, at a very > good clip, on the RA straights last weekend, I'm looking at ways to get > more power and still have the car SCCA H-Prod legal. Headers / exhaust > system are one of the few areas where Prep level 2 engines are given free > range. > > I'm thinking about a 4->1 style, like a Stahl, which I heard is better for > top end. Any input is appreciated. > > thanks > mike > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From rwestfall at ymail.com Thu May 10 20:44:51 2012 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 19:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Headshots From Mitty 2012 Message-ID: <1336704291.38369.YahooMailMobile@web162304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Bmaynard at usinterner.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Thu May 10 20:48:16 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 21:48:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: MItty Pix In-Reply-To: References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336676884.67839.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <029592AA-7A6F-4CB2-88A9-173F54BFDA0A@yahoo.com> Not all of them. Sent from my iPhone On May 10, 2012, at 7:14 PM, John Hasty wrote: > I have decided I hate 6's they are slow in the twisted and fast on straights > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 10, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Robert Deanes wrote: > >> Bobby I looked a few times too....and then showed the photos a few >> times....so now your in the sixties or seventy times you looked...and to me >> all the GT-6s looked good...for that matter there were alot of good looking >> race cars.....but the Spitfire with the GT-6 motor all "dollied "up by the >> Classic Motor Sport tent looked really nice and a good job that was done on >> that modification...hope that you all saw that one. >> >> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >>> I did tag myself on Facebook.... and DID click a 'few' times.... >>> awesome... >>> Bobby >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Forwarded Message ---- >>> From: Jason Ostrowski >>> To: Bobby Whitehead >>> Cc: Robert M. Lang ; FoT Triumph >>> Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 1:16:42 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix >>> >>> >>> Guess it recorded the 84 times you clicked on it last night. (and I peeked >>> once) >>> Jason Ostrowski >>> Friendly Ghost Racing >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bobby Whitehead >>> wrote: >>> >>> any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this >>> morning... is >>>> that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to >>> frame... >>>> Bobby Whitehead >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Robert M. Lang >>>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>>> Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: >>>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 >>>> >>>> Enjoy! >>>> rml >>> >>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent >>>> Former NER Solo Chair | >>>> Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >>> >>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> rob deanes >> TR Racer >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu May 10 21:10:08 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 22:10:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> Message-ID: <000001cd2f23$926c8a00$b7459e00$@com> Thanks to all who responded to my request for information on valve springs and pressures. I've ordered a set of springs and titanium retainers from British Frame and Engine. Generally the seat pressure recommended with my cam is around 105 to 120 lbs. I'll see what we get with the new springs and shim if necessary. I keep learning more as we go and this machinist/builder is willing to work with us. He does mostly Ford and Chevy V-8's for racing but fortunately is willing to work on our "Tractor" motors. With everything that he has found in the head and crank and rods, and with the new parts I hope we'll be a little bit quicker!! Now I just have to get all the parts and get it put together and on the track. Thanks again, the FOT is fantastic! Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 4:50 PM To: 'Kas Kastner' Cc: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers The cam is a Kastner G3 and the rockers are stock TR4 with 1.55:1 ratio. The measured cam lift is 0.342 giving a measured valve lift of 0.480 with 0.016 tappet clearance. This gives an actual ratio of 1.45:1, valve lift + tappet clearance to cam lift. We use a "red line" of 6000 RPM. I checked Good Parts but he only lists TR6 parts, at least that I saw. Are the TR6 and TR4 valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seats interchangeable? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 From: hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com [mailto:hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:54 PM To: timmurph at fastbytes.com Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers i cannot help you with a parts without a lot of photos which I might not recognize anyway, BUT, that is way way to low a seat pressrue. I don' know your cam, but if it is high lifter from Larry or something like my old G-3 then you want about 125 pounds on the seat. Never be beaten by equipment > From: timmurph at fastbytes.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:23 -0500 > CC: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have > about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in > his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled > height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. > He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified > height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of > the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the > suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened > washers for racing purposes? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim and Ryan > > 1961 TR4 #317 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From joeg at neb.rr.com Thu May 10 22:18:11 2012 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 23:18:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Old photos from Hallet Speedway Message-ID: <000501cd2f2d$140ea3f0$3c2bebd0$@rr.com> Found photos I had taken at Hallet Speedway in 2006 in my files. I don't believe I've ever shared them with the FOT, so I followed the lead of Bob Lang and threw 77 of them on photobucket. Hope the links work - second is for a slide show. http://s1154.photobucket.com/albums/p537/Spitfirejoe2012/ http://s1154.photobucket.com/albums/p537/Spitfirejoe2012/?albumview=slidesho w Joe Guinan Fremont, NE From tarch at bellsouth.net Fri May 11 07:19:13 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 09:19:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> Message-ID: <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> Greg, I am doing a valve & guide job on my TR-4 head. My cam is a Babe Erson BFE-149 with intake of 430 and duration of 282. My normal shift point is 5000 rpms with a never exceed of 5500. Inasmuch as I drive my car to events, reliability, not brute power, is the game plan. May I ask your recommendations on valve guides (bronze vs. iron), their clearances and spring pressures? What about multi-angle valve grinds? Another issue. I found a conspicuous crack between the center 2 water galleys between #2 & #3 pistons. It looks as if it's been there forever and does no harm. Does that render my cylinder head toast? Thanks, Richard Taylor TR-4 #196 From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri May 11 07:27:54 2012 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 09:27:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jeff 500 - Stuff for sale at event Message-ID: <616C3E08-619F-495F-96FE-CF004EE84250@comcast.net> I'll have a Chase Cam lipstick camera with roll bar mount and remote dash switch for sale and also an i/o port video camera mount in box with safety strap for sale at the track - cheap, both in excellent condition. See Steve Groh, 393 Spitfire, Lola Cup 410-322-9047 From cartravel at pobox.com Fri May 11 10:29:01 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 11:29:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MItty Pix In-Reply-To: References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FAD3E4D.3090300@pobox.com> I claim the reason for the number of views is the color. Yellow cars always get more press than others. When I was racing the TR3 (now John Hasty's), it was on the cover of Victory Lane twice and also appeared several times in other publications. Being somewhat unusual like a GT6 or TR3 probably doesn't hurt either. On 5/10/2012 12:10 PM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > On Thu, 10 May 2012, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this >> morning... is that sympathy like an obituary ?? > > I'd say it's more like "that's a great looking car". > >> ... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... > > I'll send you a hi-res image that you can put on a flash drive and get > printed at your local 1-hour photo place. It would be best if you > could choose which picture you like best - although with all those > hits, I think we know which one to print. > > :-) > > >> Bobby Whitehead > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From sjanzen at me.com Fri May 11 12:37:41 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 14:37:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jeff 500 - Paddock space In-Reply-To: <616C3E08-619F-495F-96FE-CF004EE84250@comcast.net> References: <616C3E08-619F-495F-96FE-CF004EE84250@comcast.net> Message-ID: to the extent that there will be a Triumph grotto in the paddock, I'm not arriving until Friday, mid-day and hoping someone wants to volunteer to block out a space for me - Ford Expedition and 20' trailer, ideally with room to pop out a side canopy. Prefer anywhere other than backing up to pit row. Let me know - thanks! Scott Janzen Triumph GT6 sjanzen at me.com 215-817-9315 From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Fri May 11 12:47:09 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 11:47:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing, etc. Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D7B@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Thanks, Greg. I'll pull the lifters and take a look. Ed Dunn From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri May 11 13:22:21 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 15:22:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Parts Message-ID: <33505F0F-8CFA-415E-BAA4-94F0A0CF628C@gdhs.com> Any one know where I might find a TR3A hood? Sent from my iPhone From bownes at seiri.com Fri May 11 15:11:44 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 17:11:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing, etc. In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D7B@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D7B@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: I'll have you all know I am now looking at that GT6 in my driveway and wondering if I should just put it on the track and be done with it...:) On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Thanks, Greg. I'll pull the lifters and take a look. > > Ed Dunn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From igofaster at att.net Fri May 11 15:18:54 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 14:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Engine Builder Message-ID: <1336771134.27743.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> assuming the worse... (should start removing the engine tomorrow) ... who does the group recommend as an engine builder KNOWLEDGEABLE in building a strong, reliable, engine for my GT6? I've had some quotes that seemed way out of line in the past, but I'm exploring new options for reasonable, and fairly quick turnaround.... Bobby From clw2000 at msn.com Fri May 11 15:50:38 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 17:50:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Parts In-Reply-To: <33505F0F-8CFA-415E-BAA4-94F0A0CF628C@gdhs.com> References: <33505F0F-8CFA-415E-BAA4-94F0A0CF628C@gdhs.com> Message-ID: John - Since shipping will be huge, try this guy in Columbia. His name is Bill and he has a HUGE graveyard of Triumphs and other European makes. It's disoriented but his inventory eclipses Don Trammell's, who I visited today. Didn't see a TR3 hood at Don's but wasn't looking for one. He could probably find one though. Bill (803) 754-5363/920-5363 or e-mail us at AOTT at mindspring.com (one of the phone numbers is wrong, not sure which one though) Thanks, Chuck Watson > From: jhhasty at gdhs.com > Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 15:22:21 -0400 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Parts > > Any one know where I might find a TR3A hood? > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri May 11 16:56:51 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 18:56:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jeff 500 - Paddock space References: <616C3E08-619F-495F-96FE-CF004EE84250@comcast.net> Message-ID: Scott, I'm planning on being there Wed. evening. If memory serves, I got your spot last year, beside Jim with the Pinto and Kris with the BMW, after you left. I'll see if I cam save some room. There's supposed to be a fairly big crowd there. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "fot" Cc: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 2:37 PM Subject: [Fot] Jeff 500 - Paddock space > to the extent that there will be a Triumph grotto in the paddock, I'm not > arriving until Friday, mid-day and hoping someone wants to volunteer to > block out a space for me - Ford Expedition and 20' trailer, ideally with > room to pop out a side canopy. Prefer anywhere other than backing up to > pit row. > > Let me know - thanks! > > Scott Janzen > Triumph GT6 > > sjanzen at me.com > 215-817-9315 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri May 11 17:09:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 19:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D7B@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <8CEFDE24EF0A694-9FC-20C90@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> Of COURSE! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: Edward Dunn Cc: fot Sent: Fri, May 11, 2012 5:56 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing, etc. I'll have you all know I am now looking at that GT6 in my driveway and wondering if I should just put it on the track and be done with it...:) On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Thanks, Greg. I'll pull the lifters and take a look. > > Ed Dunn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Fri May 11 17:18:33 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 16:18:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D7B@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D82@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Yes, absolutely! It wants to race, let it run... Ed From: robert bownes [mailto:bownes at seiri.com] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 2:12 PM To: Edward Dunn Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing, etc. I'll have you all know I am now looking at that GT6 in my driveway and wondering if I should just put it on the track and be done with it...:) On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Edward Dunn > wrote: Thanks, Greg. I'll pull the lifters and take a look. Ed Dunn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From horizonracing at msn.com Fri May 11 18:39:53 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (horizonracing at msn.com) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 17:39:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Engine Builder In-Reply-To: <1336771134.27743.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336771134.27743.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: /local/mailman/lynxXXXXpnGaLP: Permission denied [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of ic_list_big_grin.png] From tony at tonydrews.com Fri May 11 20:53:26 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 21:53:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> Message-ID: Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes is no big deal, don't worry about it. I run bronze guides. You just need enough valve to guide clearance that you don't stick a valve and they work fine. Don't use valve guide seals either. I had them put 0.003" clearance on my intakes and 0.0035" on my exhausts. I remember Greg having good recommendations in this regard too, so am interested in his view on the proper clearance. I was running 190 degrees at Road Atlanta and didn't stick a valve, so was pleased with that. The spring pressures should be specified by the cam builder. The Larry Young cams want about 100 lbs seat pressure. Ones with more dramatic opening events may want more, but that's largely to prevent valve float at higher RPM than you run. If you are having the seats ground, ask for a triple angle or radiused grind - I've been told that those can make a big difference in flow. My (newly prepared) head was milled 130 thou, I cleaned up the combustion chambers a little to remove any sharp edges primarily, they cut off the exhaust valve guide flush with the top of the port, and I had a triple angle grind done. NO porting whatsoever was done to it. I'm not sure I could tell the difference in power between that head and my old Comptune / Uncle Jack's porting services head. Tony Drews At 08:19 AM 5/11/2012, Richard Taylor wrote: >Greg, > >I am doing a valve & guide job on my TR-4 head. My cam is a Babe Erson >BFE-149 with intake of 430 and duration of 282. My normal shift point is >5000 rpms with a never exceed of 5500. Inasmuch as I drive my car to events, >reliability, not brute power, is the game plan. > >May I ask your recommendations on valve guides (bronze vs. iron), their >clearances and spring pressures? What about multi-angle valve grinds? > >Another issue. I found a conspicuous crack between the center 2 water >galleys between #2 & #3 pistons. It looks as if it's been there forever and >does no harm. Does that render my cylinder head toast? > >Thanks, > >Richard Taylor >TR-4 #196 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri May 11 22:01:27 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 23:01:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> Message-ID: <000501cd2ff3$e8106780$b8313680$@com> Richard, In talking to 3 different machine shops it appears that the "standard" valve grind for car engines is the triple grind. As about the only engines that have valve jobs any more are race engines, I think this is the "standard" for race engines. Tractor and industrial engines I think still use the traditional single angle grind. The machinist I'm using now says he has 0.040, 0.060 and 0.080 width valve seat cutters. I think they all use carbide valve seat cutters now and they don't really "grind" the seats with stones anymore. Anyway, he says he uses the 0.060 on the exhausts for more heat transfer surface and 0.040 on the intake seats, for what it's worth. My head is also cracked between those two water ports and so was our first head. Must be pretty common. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Richard Taylor [mailto:tarch at bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 8:19 AM To: 'Greg Solow'; 'Tim Murphy'; 'Kas Kastner' Cc: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers Greg, I am doing a valve & guide job on my TR-4 head. My cam is a Babe Erson BFE-149 with intake of 430 and duration of 282. My normal shift point is 5000 rpms with a never exceed of 5500. Inasmuch as I drive my car to events, reliability, not brute power, is the game plan. May I ask your recommendations on valve guides (bronze vs. iron), their clearances and spring pressures? What about multi-angle valve grinds? Another issue. I found a conspicuous crack between the center 2 water galleys between #2 & #3 pistons. It looks as if it's been there forever and does no harm. Does that render my cylinder head toast? Thanks, Richard Taylor TR-4 #196 From tony at tonydrews.com Fri May 11 22:52:55 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 23:52:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bronze valve guide clearances (TR-2, 3, 4) Message-ID: Tim Murphy put together the results of a recent survey as to what valve guide clearance is needed for the Bronze valve guides in the TR-2, 3 and 4. I've added it to the Uncle Jack's Engine Building Tips page on my website. It's funny, every time I read that page I learn something. Anyway, Tim's latest contribution is in the "Head" section of this page: http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm Cheers, Tony Drews From triumphs at consolidated.net Fri May 11 23:08:20 2012 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 00:08:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Old photos from Hallet Speedway In-Reply-To: <000501cd2f2d$140ea3f0$3c2bebd0$@rr.com> References: <000501cd2f2d$140ea3f0$3c2bebd0$@rr.com> Message-ID: Thanks. Good memories. Ken Gano Sent from my iPad On May 10, 2012, at 11:18 PM, "Joe Guinan" wrote: > Found photos I had taken at Hallet Speedway in 2006 in my files. I don't > believe I've ever shared them with the FOT, so I followed the lead of Bob > Lang and threw 77 of them on photobucket. Hope the links work - second is > for a slide show. > > > > http://s1154.photobucket.com/albums/p537/Spitfirejoe2012/ > > > > http://s1154.photobucket.com/albums/p537/Spitfirejoe2012/?albumview=slidesho > w > > > > > > Joe Guinan > > Fremont, NE > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat May 12 00:12:45 2012 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 23:12:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> Message-ID: Richard, I presume that by "intake" you mean total valve lift. .430" lift is quite a bit more than stock. I would use bronze guides and would try to obtain exhaust valves that have hard chromed or "plasma coated" stems. We use .0015" to .002" valve stem to guide clearance on the inlets & .002" to .0025" on the exhausts. Valve spring pressure with the valves closed should be 85 to 90 psi. You need to make sure that the spring you use do not go into "coil bind" at full valve lift. With the valve fully open, you must be able to stick a .040" feeler gauge in between the coils of the spring. We still "grind" all of our valve seats, and then lap them with fine compound to make sure we have a good seal. I guess we are "old school". We generally use seat widths of .040" on the exhaust & intake with hardened valve seats installed in the head in both intake and exhausts. I like to use 4 or more angles on the valve seats, 15, 30, 45, 60, & 75 degrees nicely blended to form as much of a radius as possible. The hardness of the seats prevents the seats from wearing or "pounding" and changing shape as the engine runs. The most critical area in a head's ports is the 1/4" or so as the seat "blends" into the "throat" of the port. That area critically effects the flow of the port and the valve seat. This is not to say that other areas of the ports are not important. But on an engine with a cam like yours, you could spend a lot of money and time for very little effect. The hotter the engine is, the more important the overall flow of the head and manifolds becomes. On a full race engine, ie cam with over 295 degrees duration, compression over 12: 1 and a power band going up to 7,000 rpm, a lot of power can be picked up by working on the exhaust port flow of the TR-4 . Greg Solow From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat May 12 00:23:47 2012 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 23:23:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Valve job & springs Message-ID: I forgot to mention, We like to improve the oil flow to the valve gear, ie, the top of the cylinder head. The best way to do that is to grind a passage that connects the two oil holes that go into the rear cam bearing housing when the rear cam bearing not in the block. Then the bearing is pressed into place as normal. this allows additional oil to go directly from the drilled hole coming from the rear main bearing up into the drilling that goes up into the head. No external oil lines needed, and the amount of flow allowed is just right. This it even a good thing to do on a street engine. Another way to do this is to grind additional flats like the two original ones on the rear cam journal. These flats connect the spiral grove on the rear cam journal and allow more oil "metering" up to the head. Tony is also right about valve stem seals. Even with the added oil flow gained by the above modifications, you do not need or want valve stem seals on these engines. They will just cause trouble like sticking valves! Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat May 12 04:26:01 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:26:01 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Lost some engine power..... In-Reply-To: <20120512035419.393F12D090C@autox.team.net> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035419.393F12D090C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000701cd3029$a27e9710$e77bc530$@com> Was not lucky with the new engine. Could be: - Exhaust with two mufflers - new header - maybe carburetor but dyno man said "it's not the carb, they are flowing great" http://youtu.be/oZcg4IBfYAk Cheers Chris From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sat May 12 08:21:11 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 07:21:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes > is no big deal, don't worry about it. > Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? Teriann From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat May 12 08:39:25 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 10:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-Clearance and Chemistry C. Gee? In-Reply-To: References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> Message-ID: <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> I think we all agree that bronze valve guides are good to use, if: they are properly clearanced...per Greg Solow, for instance. and if they have good material chemistry and properties. OK....CHUCK GEE or other metalurgist, what would you recommend for metal specification? I have seen some suspicious looking valve guides. Is there a supplier that anyone trusts? Being risk adverse, after a bad experience, we went back to oem type material. But if we had control over the source....... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Solow To: Richard Taylor ; 'Tim Murphy' ; 'Kas Kastner' Cc: ryan.murphy ; fot Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 2:20 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers Richard, I presume that by "intake" you mean total valve lift. .430" lift is quite a bit more than stock. I would use bronze guides and would try to obtain exhaust valves that have hard chromed or "plasma coated" stems. We use .0015" to .002" valve stem to guide clearance on the inlets & .002" to .0025" on the exhausts. Valve spring pressure with the valves closed should be 85 to 90 psi. You need to make sure that the spring you use do not go into "coil bind" at full valve lift. With the valve fully open, you must be able to stick a .040" feeler gauge in between the coils of the spring. We still "grind" all of our valve seats, and then lap them with fine compound to make sure we have a good seal. I guess we are "old school". We generally use seat widths of .040" on the exhaust & intake with hardened valve seats installed in the head in both intake and exhausts. I like to use 4 or more angles on the valve seats, 15, 30, 45, 60, & 75 degrees nicely blended to form as much of a radius as possible. The hardness of the seats prevents the seats from wearing or "pounding" and changing shape as the engine runs. The most critical area in a head's ports is the 1/4" or so as the seat "blends" into the "throat" of the port. That area critically effects the flow of the port and the valve seat. This is not to say that other areas of the ports are not important. But on an engine with a cam like yours, you could spend a lot of money and time for very little effect. The hotter the engine is, the more important the overall flow of the head and manifolds becomes. On a full race engine, ie cam with over 295 degrees duration, compression over 12: 1 and a power band going up to 7,000 rpm, a lot of power can be picked up by working on the exhaust port flow of the TR-4 . Greg Solow _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat May 12 09:43:22 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 11:43:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Engine Builder In-Reply-To: <1336771134.27743.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336771134.27743.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <862A979E-4C13-42BE-8751-723A05BA411E@gdhs.com> Having now had 2 CT's built, one rebuild & one a complete from scratch, head work etc. I am of the opinion the word "reasonable" when describing cost is like a rubber yard stick depending on whether you are the builder or the builder! Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > assuming the worse... (should start removing the engine tomorrow) ... who does > the group recommend as an engine builder KNOWLEDGEABLE in building a strong, > reliable, engine for my GT6? > > I've had some quotes that seemed way out of line in the past, but I'm exploring > new options for reasonable, and fairly quick turnaround.... > > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat May 12 10:02:23 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 11:02:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> Message-ID: Nah, it's in the water jacket area only. If sealed it would block off water on one side with water on the other side, so allowing a little H2O through there doesn't make a difference. Tony At 09:21 AM 5/12/2012, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: >>Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water >>holes is no big deal, don't worry about it. >Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? > >Teriann From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat May 12 10:17:08 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net><20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> TeriAnn is right. It might be in one of Kas' books, I think. TeriAnn's comprehensive website on heads is back up, according to TeriAnn. Another great resource that we have on the FOT LIST, regardless of competition status. There is a suggestion that this area can flutter and perhaps can disturb the gasket seal. The fix is something like drilling and tapping this area and running a screw down to a solid point in the water passage.....then milling flush. The FOT list is very much alive and well. The Mitty provided some stimulus, methinks. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman To: fot Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 10:37 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes > is no big deal, don't worry about it. > Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? Teriann _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From mdporter at dfn.com Sat May 12 10:27:59 2012 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 10:27:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-Clearance and Chemistry C. Gee? In-Reply-To: <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4FAE8F8F.5050803@dfn.com> On 5/12/2012 8:39 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I think we all agree that bronze valve guides are good to use, if: > > they are properly clearanced...per Greg Solow, for instance. > > and if they have good material chemistry and properties. > > OK....CHUCK GEE or other metalurgist, what would you recommend for metal > specification? > > As a general rule, most all of the guides will be some alloy containing aluminum and phosphorus. The higher the aluminum content, the more likely they are to grow, so one could probably do a comparison by weight, assuming the dimensions were the same from different suppliers. There's one more trick that can be done to bronze guides that isn't useful with the cast-iron variety--knurling. Aluminum bronze guides are more malleable than cast iron. Trying to knurl the cast iron simply causes it to chip, while the bronze guide will deform, making a ridge in the guide bore. Once that ridge has been reamed to the correct size, there are two advantages over using a stock bore. First, the guide tends to retain oil longer, rather than pumping it straight down the guide bore, and second, the contact area of the guide bore is reduced, making the valve less likely to stick. And, even with the reduced area, the wear characteristics are generally better than cast iron, and a good bronze guide can be knurled a couple of times before requiring replacement. Worth some experimentation, maybe. The business about valves sticking, I think, has much to do with improper clearances, and not the material itself, since the natural lubricity of phosphor bronzes is pretty good compared to cast iron, something demonstrated by the ability to use valve stem seals with bronze guides. Once the clearances are set up properly, and good stem seals found, bronze guides should contribute to a more consistently performing engine simply because the ability to use stem seals will reduce the amount of carbon accumulation on the valve heads and stems, keeping flow closer to optimum. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat May 12 10:28:07 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:28:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00fc01cd305c$37a0ec30$a6e2c490$@net> The crack connects two water galleys (galleries, actually. I think it's like footers[Yankees] and footings[the rest of the world]). Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:21 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes > is no big deal, don't worry about it. > Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? Teriann _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat May 12 10:31:45 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? Message-ID: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the crankcase? A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat May 12 10:42:24 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-NOW KNURLING!!!? In-Reply-To: <4FAE8F8F.5050803@dfn.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <4FAE8F8F.5050803@dfn.com> Message-ID: <8CEFE75580BF8E6-27EC-37CE3@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Excellent, Michael! Having been familiar with knurling from 50+ years ago, I quietly mentioned knurling recently and got a positive response. Intuitively, knurling valve guides makes sense to me. I inquired quietly because it had not been mentioned on the list that I was aware of, and didnt want to start a useless thread of controversy. However, there seems to be a consensus that any kind of a seal on our wet sleeve engines is not a good thing. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Porter To: Joe Alexander Cc: gregmogdoc ; tarch ; timmurph ; kaskas ; ryan.murphy ; fot Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 11:28 am Subject: Re: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-Clearance and Chemistry C. Gee? On 5/12/2012 8:39 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I think we all agree that bronze valve guides are good to use, if: > > they are properly clearanced...per Greg Solow, for instance. > > and if they have good material chemistry and properties. > > OK....CHUCK GEE or other metalurgist, what would you recommend for metal > specification? > > As a general rule, most all of the guides will be some alloy containing aluminum and phosphorus. The higher the aluminum content, the more likely they are to grow, so one could probably do a comparison by weight, assuming the dimensions were the same from different suppliers. There's one more trick that can be done to bronze guides that isn't useful with the cast-iron variety--knurling. Aluminum bronze guides are more malleable than cast iron. Trying to knurl the cast iron simply causes it to chip, while the bronze guide will deform, making a ridge in the guide bore. Once that ridge has been reamed to the correct size, there are two advantages over using a stock bore. First, the guide tends to retain oil longer, rather than pumping it straight down the guide bore, and second, the contact area of the guide bore is reduced, making the valve less likely to stick. And, even with the reduced area, the wear characteristics are generally better than cast iron, and a good bronze guide can be knurled a couple of times before requiring replacement. Worth some experimentation, maybe. The business about valves sticking, I think, has much to do with improper clearances, and not the material itself, since the natural lubricity of phosphor bronzes is pretty good compared to cast iron, something demonstrated by the ability to use valve stem seals with bronze guides. Once the clearances are set up properly, and good stem seals found, bronze guides should contribute to a more consistently performing engine simply because the ability to use stem seals will reduce the amount of carbon accumulation on the valve heads and stems, keeping flow closer to optimum. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sat May 12 10:45:29 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 09:45:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net><20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4FAE93A9.7030601@gmail.com> On 5/12/12 9:17 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > TeriAnn is right. > > It might be in one of Kas' books, I think. TeriAnn's comprehensive > website on heads is back up, according to TeriAnn. Yep, still there, but old links will break because the site has moved to a new URL www.tr3a.info So if you want to know things like how a UK fuse corresponds to a US spec fuse, how to space the sticks to be correct for your hood, about the optional PYE radio & where the antenna goes, what tool rolls look like, how to tell which cylinder head is which, how a DCOE works, which hole is used for what in a post TS-60000 TR3A, or just read through some TR service bulletins, just drop on by the web site. > Another great resource that we have on the FOT LIST, regardless of > competition status. Unlike you guys, the older I got the more risk adverse I became. I never got hooked on adrenalin. But I am a data junkie and like to collect information about the TR2-4A's. TeriAnn From tony at tonydrews.com Sat May 12 11:36:29 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:36:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 head crack between water holes In-Reply-To: <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Subject was "[Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers" I think we're talking about different areas of the head. The area Richard was talking about is between the two water holes in the head between Cyl #2 and #3. There's a picture of my (old) head here: http://www.tonydrews.com/2008-9Rebuild/DSCN0536.jpg It pretty clearly shows this area of the head, and you can also see the lines that are the edges of where the head gasket runs. There is no gasket surface area near that particular crack, and the other side of the water jacket (to run the pin / peg against) is far, far away, very deep into the head. On the other hand, there is the idea of "pinning" the head when you mill a bunch off. THAT may have prevented the crack in the head which caused me to have to have a new one prepared. There's some detail about that at the bottom of this otherwise unrelated page: http://www.tonydrews.com/Tony_Car.htm For that, you drill and tap holes around the periphery of the combustion chamber on the opposite side from the valves, screw something through the holes against the other side of the water jacket with some threadlocker, cut them off and have the surface ground / milled smooth. There is also a method of fixing cracks using overlapping screw-type pegs "stitching" I think it's called - that was one possible suggestion for an attempted repair of this crack: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/2012_0331Head_Crack0007.JPG There may be some value in fixing a crack between the water holes between Cylinders 2 and 3, but I'm not seeing it, and "Uncle" Jack always considered that to be a total non-issue. Cracks between the valve seats (another common problem) ARE a big deal. Tony At 11:17 AM 5/12/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >TeriAnn is right. > >It might be in one of Kas' books, I think. TeriAnn's comprehensive website on >heads is back up, according to TeriAnn. Another great resource that we have >on the FOT LIST, regardless of competition status. > >There is a suggestion that this area can flutter and perhaps can disturb the >gasket seal. > >The fix is something like drilling and tapping this area and running a screw >down to a solid point in the water passage.....then milling flush. > >The FOT list is very much alive and well. The Mitty provided some stimulus, >methinks. > > > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >To: fot >Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 10:37 am >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > >On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > > Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes > > is no big deal, don't worry about it. > > >Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? > >Teriann From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat May 12 12:57:03 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <093101cd306e$5d1a4170$0601a8c0@randall> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <093101cd306e$5d1a4170$0601a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <8CEFE882766EE12-27EC-3868A@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Randall, Perhaps I have eliminated one of the check list items...... DID COMPRESSION TEST AND LEAK DOWN....first. Leak down was more than I wanted for this engine and I re-ringed it and result was satisfactory. Still have problem.....I am hoping to find someone who has had this experience. In forty years, this is my first time for this issue. Thanks Randall. Keep them coming. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: 'Joe Alexander' Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 1:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? It's almost certain to be a problem with the rings not making a good seal. The combustion chamber in the head is surrounded by water passages, so a crack there would be leaking combustion into the coolant rather than the crankcase. Ditto the cylinder liners. Possible it could be a broken or cracked piston, but they generally get much worse, very fast. Dunno about your Ambro, but on a TR3 it is quite practical to pull a piston (or all of them) out without pulling the motor first. I replaced this one with the engine still in the car: http://s258.photobucket.com/albums/hh260/TR3driver/Misc%20parts/?action=view ¤t=BrokenTR3piston.jpg -- Randall > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:32 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's > attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes > oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes > air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding > the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3driver at ca.rr.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat May 12 13:33:11 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:33:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 head crack between water holes In-Reply-To: <20120512183921.EE0BA2D09B9@autox.team.net> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512183921.EE0BA2D09B9@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <001601cd3076$114967f0$33dc37d0$@com> Thanks Tony, good info! My machinist was concerned about that and now I have some more info for him. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 head crack between water holes Subject was "[Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers" I think we're talking about different areas of the head. The area Richard was talking about is between the two water holes in the head between Cyl #2 and #3. There's a picture of my (old) head here: http://www.tonydrews.com/2008-9Rebuild/DSCN0536.jpg It pretty clearly shows this area of the head, and you can also see the lines that are the edges of where the head gasket runs. There is no gasket surface area near that particular crack, and the other side of the water jacket (to run the pin / peg against) is far, far away, very deep into the head. On the other hand, there is the idea of "pinning" the head when you mill a bunch off. THAT may have prevented the crack in the head which caused me to have to have a new one prepared. There's some detail about that at the bottom of this otherwise unrelated page: http://www.tonydrews.com/Tony_Car.htm For that, you drill and tap holes around the periphery of the combustion chamber on the opposite side from the valves, screw something through the holes against the other side of the water jacket with some threadlocker, cut them off and have the surface ground / milled smooth. There is also a method of fixing cracks using overlapping screw-type pegs "stitching" I think it's called - that was one possible suggestion for an attempted repair of this crack: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/2012_0331Head_Crack0007.JPG There may be some value in fixing a crack between the water holes between Cylinders 2 and 3, but I'm not seeing it, and "Uncle" Jack always considered that to be a total non-issue. Cracks between the valve seats (another common problem) ARE a big deal. Tony At 11:17 AM 5/12/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >TeriAnn is right. > >It might be in one of Kas' books, I think. TeriAnn's comprehensive website on >heads is back up, according to TeriAnn. Another great resource that we have >on the FOT LIST, regardless of competition status. > >There is a suggestion that this area can flutter and perhaps can disturb the >gasket seal. > >The fix is something like drilling and tapping this area and running a screw >down to a solid point in the water passage.....then milling flush. > >The FOT list is very much alive and well. The Mitty provided some stimulus, >methinks. > > > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >To: fot >Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 10:37 am >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > >On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > > Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes > > is no big deal, don't worry about it. > > >Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? > >Teriann _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat May 12 13:35:56 2012 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:35:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com ><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net><20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net><4FAE71 D7.8050805@gmail.com> <20120512170617.984232D09B1@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Tony & TeriAnn, You may be right about the crack. But on a race engine especially, I like to have the center part of the crack pinned to., in theory at least, lock the front and rear parts of the lower surface of the head together and help prevent any relative movement between them. At least it makes me feel better to do this. If I were starting to prepare a head from scratch, I would look for one with no cracks anywhere. The crack in the center of the bottom is invariably from severe overheating at sometime in the past. There is no telling exactly what other invisible damage there may be that could cause problems in the future. For a street engine this crack, if that is all the damage there is, should not cause any issues. Greg From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sat May 12 13:57:51 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 15:57:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> Message-ID: <4FAEC0BF.5000200@blacksburg.net> On 5/8/2012 2:40 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have > about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in > his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled > height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. > He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified > height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of > the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the > suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened > washers for racing purposes? > Tim, Isky has been one recommended source. If you go that way, be sure they have the matching retainers. I ordered a set of their springs to go with the 777 cam I was using, only to find that they wouldn't fit standard TR retainers and they didn't have their own retainers in stock. But if I wanted to order 5K of them, I'd have been good to go. Instead, I went to BFE and Ken fixed me up with his springs and retainers - great combination. Good man there. BTW, I'm using 110# seat pressure. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat May 12 14:28:15 2012 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 13:28:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-Clearance and Chemistry References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: At one time in the long ago past we used Phosphor, Aluminum- bronze. We found it very hard, and also very abrasive. It had a tendency to wear through the chrome surface of the valve stems very quickly. For the past 15 years or so we have been using a Manganese- bronze alloy. We had our guides made by Precision Engine Parts to our specifications. The inlet valve guides are tapered where they hang out into the inlet port & the taper actually goes back up into the head so that the contact point between the head and the guide is a straight line around the guide, which it will not be if the guide has a straight od. (because it comes out of the hole in the head into the port through the wall of the port where it is at an angle to the guide. As the guide gets hot and tries to expand, it only touches the head on one side as it projects into the port. This will cause the guide to bend slightly to one side, away from the long side of the port. The exhaust guides we have made with an internal counter-bore on the bottom end. This is copied from the air cooled VW exhaust valve guides. A certain amount of head carbon will accumulate on the part of the exhaust valve stem that hangs out into the port when the exhaust valve is open. When the valve closes, this carbon is pulled back up into the space at the bottom of the guide and will eventually abrade the valve stem and the end of the guide at this point. The counter-bore in the bottom of the guide makes a space for this carbon to go where it will do no damage! Some of the best guides we have used were a process from Winona-Van Norman, an automotive machine shop machinery and tool supplies. They called it "Bronze-wall" It was a bronze alloy "heli-coil" like insert that was installed into a standard iron guide, then "broached" into place and honed to size. When the insert wore out, it could be removed and a new one installed without changing the centerline of the guide. They were very durable and held oil in between the coils of the bronze liner. Kas is familiar with this setup and used it at the Comp Dept., I believe. This only issue is finding someone with the equipment to do the installation. There are no machine shops in my area that can do it. i do not know if Winona Van Norman still supplies the tooling and parts. The higher the cam lift, the faster the lift rates, the more important the guide material, clearance and installation becomes. The same of true of having the correct rocker arm geometry. If this is not correct, there is to much side load placed on the top of the valve stem and the guides will not last, no matter what the material they are made of. There is a Web site called www.mid-lift.com that talks about geometry in great detail. We have found that with the top of the valves at the stock hight above the head, the rocker shaft needs to be lowered about .090" from its stock hight to maintain correct geometry when using a cam that gives around .465" actual lift at the valve. As the lift goes up higher, the rocker shaft needs to be lowered, (or lash caps put on the tips of the valve stems to raise the contact point between the rocker arm and the valve tip. Greg Solow From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat May 12 14:41:52 2012 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 13:41:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil supply to the valve gear of a TR-4 References: <4FAE4BF7020000B60005CF50@mail.vbisd.org> <4FAE4BF8020000B60005CF53@mail.vbisd.org> <4FAE4BF8020000B60005CF53@mail.vbisd.org> Message-ID: <13C94FC82C524B0EB1CD01C786C1F590@your89d26e0447> I you have a stripped block, and you look down the oil hole drilling from the rear main bearing that goes to the rear calm bearing bore, you will see that there is a manufactured in restriction in that hole right near the main bearing. I can't tell you the exact size, but I think it is around 1/8" or so. The rest of the drilling is larger than 1/4". So this is the hole size that meters oil to the cam bearing. I grind a groove with a die grinder that has a 1/4" ball burr on the end. I try to go about 1/8" deep and 3/16" or so wide into the iron of the block. If by chance you get to much oil flow to the head, you can meter this by installing a jet into the horizontal hole in the head that has a bolt plugging its open end on the rear of the cylinder head. You can remove the bolt, tap the hole and screw in a plug with any size hole in it you wish. So this can be done with the engine installed in the car and the head on, if the drilling and tapping is done before hand. I drilled one head to accept Holley main jets as metering plugs. I have never had to make use of this feature. Greg Solow From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat May 12 15:45:02 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 21:45:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it would force out water before oil starts leaking. A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is getting forced to the valve area. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 To: Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the crankcase? A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From rocky at spitfire4.com Sat May 12 17:23:10 2012 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 18:23:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Carroll Shelby dead Message-ID: <6198D98A0F6440DDA33CA005CE2966BB@rocky> Hard to believe not a single comment about "Ol' Shel," who died Thursday night. On topic? The Cobra was a Brit chassis, by AP. Met him once, during a press tour of his factory in LA. He served up his famous chili. Famous in the sports car racing, chicken ranching, chili cooking and medical worlds (lived 22 years with a heart transplant). May the road rise up to meet you, Carroll. --Rocky Entriken From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat May 12 17:35:30 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 18:35:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <20120512225832.4286A2D09CB@autox.team.net> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.4286A2D09CB@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <0BAC2036-1FA0-436A-B2DE-9A583FDDC58D@austin.rr.com> Wouldn't the first step be a leakdown test to see if air hisses out of the crankcase ? Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Joe, > > Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it would force out water before oil starts leaking. > A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is getting forced to the valve area. > > Cheers > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 > To: > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sat May 12 18:47:48 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 19:47:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> Joe, I have had head gaskets that leaked and pressurized both the crankcase and the coolant passages. However, the most common reasons for over pressurized crankcases that i have experienced are improperly seated, broken or worn rings and holes in pistons. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Joe, > > Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it would force out water before oil starts leaking. > A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is getting forced to the valve area. > > Cheers > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 > To: > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat May 12 19:10:34 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 21:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Mike, I changed the head to lower the compression to use pump gas as i drive the Ambro on the street. I am now wondering if this isnt where the problem started. I drove the Ambro to Minneapolis 200+ miles, following 'uncle jack', the Stag and Johnmac at Freeway speeds. It had the old head and it didnt leak any oil. My time working on this car is far apart in time so I tend to lose continuity. What can there be about this head that would do this? i am not losing coolant, btw. Thanks Mike and all. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson To: tr4racing Cc: Joe Alexander ; fot-bounces ; fot Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 7:48 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? Joe, I have had head gaskets that leaked and pressurized both the crankcase and the coolant passages. However, the most common reasons for over pressurized crankcases that i have experienced are improperly seated, broken or worn rings and holes in pistons. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Joe, > > Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it would force out water before oil starts leaking. > A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is getting forced to the valve area. > > Cheers > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 > To: > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sat May 12 19:49:37 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 20:49:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It sounds to me like compression gasses are pressurizing your crankcase. So there may be an issue like a crack or casting flaw with your head or a poor sealing head gasket. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2012, at 8:10 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Mike, > > I changed the head to lower the compression to use pump gas as i drive the Ambro on the street. > > I am now wondering if this isnt where the problem started. > > I drove the Ambro to Minneapolis 200+ miles, following 'uncle jack', the Stag and Johnmac at Freeway speeds. It had the old head and it didnt leak any oil. > > My time working on this car is far apart in time so I tend to lose continuity. > > What can there be about this head that would do this? i am not losing coolant, btw. > > Thanks Mike and all. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Munson > To: tr4racing > Cc: Joe Alexander ; fot-bounces ; fot > Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 7:48 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > Joe, I have had head gaskets that leaked and pressurized both the crankcase and > the coolant passages. However, the most common reasons for over pressurized > crankcases that i have experienced are improperly seated, broken or worn rings > and holes in pistons. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > > > Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it > would force out water before oil starts leaking. > > A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is > getting forced to the valve area. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Alexander > > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 > > To: > > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. > > > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless > > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the > > crankcase? > > > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem > > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > A. R. E. > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From dlhogye at comcast.net Sat May 12 21:05:06 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 03:05:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Carroll Shelby dead In-Reply-To: <6198D98A0F6440DDA33CA005CE2966BB@rocky> Message-ID: <1262980841.279382.1336878306241.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Indeed sad news. 'been a fan since about '67, age 4. Hooked on cars ever since. My friends dad had 2 427 Cobras. His mom still has evidence of a scar on her calf from a hot sidepipe. Regrettably, he sold both and bought a new '69 427 Vette. R.I.P. Mr. Shelby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Entriken" To: ".Triumph List" Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:23:10 PM Subject: [Fot] Carroll Shelby dead Hard to believe not a single comment about "Ol' Shel," who died Thursday night. On topic? The Cobra was a Brit chassis, by AP. Met him once, during a press tour of his factory in LA. He served up his famous chili. Famous in the sports car racing, chicken ranching, chili cooking and medical worlds (lived 22 years with a heart transplant). May the road rise up to meet you, Carroll. --Rocky Entriken _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From kaskas at cox.net Sun May 13 17:12:38 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 23:12:38 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Atlanta Message-ID: Thanks to all the heros that supported the event for the 10th Kastner Cup. It was more than terrific. Great people and cars and racing. In the end, 31 drivers made it for the cup race and there was a high degree of racing and hopefully a lot of fun. The Triumph clubs all came in and supported the event and make Triumph the car of the day even yet again. Tim Studdard and the crew from Grassroots Motorsports along with the FOT, Joe Alexander and HSR made this one event that will be hard for anyone to top.Thanks to all for a great time. Never be beaten by equipment From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sun May 13 19:59:57 2012 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 11:59:57 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Re-valve guides revisited Message-ID: this is what i had to say a few months back and see no reason to change my view................ ********************************************** in our engine shop, we avoid bronze guides unless we really have to use them such as with some specially coated titanium valves cast iron guides last for a very long time under very arduous conditions about the only OE manufacturer that I've seen that routinely uses a bronze guide is M Benz, and they are a very special product and only used in some of their engines not all bronze guides are equal. we have encountered numerous grades. all of them are notoriously difficult to size. we have special tooling to deal with them. there is an argument that some types of bronze guides can run lower clearances and therfore improve heat transfer from valve stem to guide. i have never seen any documented or visual proof of this . IMHO, especially with older cars like TR's, they are mostly a marketing fad, with unscrupulous vendors appealing to the 'go faster" set ***************************************************************************** there has been some mention in the posts over the last week of bronze guide liners. these are still very common with budget priced rebuilds , with the american K-line brand being very common, and especially good for some american V8's where the guides are not removable. whilst we use them occasionally, we use cast iron "sleeves" (called thin wall guides) where possible to repair these types of heads. if we have a metallurgist amongst us, then some real advice on bronze guide composition would be good. my challenge to all the readers of this subject is for someone to demonstrate some real world benefits in old engines, over an above a properly fitted & reamed cast iron guide . Terry From jaboruch at netzero.net Sun May 13 20:10:21 2012 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 02:10:21 GMT Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? Message-ID: <20120513.221021.25884.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Joe, you could have a head gasket leak from a cylinder to the lifter valley. Years ago I suspected this, so I started adding a fine copper wire to the head gasket around the lifter valley, with a heavier gauge wire around the cylinders. I would think that something would have shown up with the leak down or compression test, but maybe it is only showing up with the higher combustion pressures? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Joe Alexander To: TR3driver at ca.rr.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Randall, Perhaps I have eliminated one of the check list items...... DID COMPRESSION TEST AND LEAK DOWN....first. Leak down was more than I wanted for this engine and I re-ringed it and result was satisfactory. Still have problem.....I am hoping to find someone who has had this experience. In forty years, this is my first time for this issue. Thanks Randall. Keep them coming. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: 'Joe Alexander' Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 1:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? It's almost certain to be a problem with the rings not making a good seal. The combustion chamber in the head is surrounded by water passages, so a crack there would be leaking combustion into the coolant rather than the crankcase. Ditto the cylinder liners. Possible it could be a broken or cracked piston, but they generally get much worse, very fast. Dunno about your Ambro, but on a TR3 it is quite practical to pull a piston (or all of them) out without pulling the motor first. I replaced this one with the engine still in the car: http://s258.photobucket.com/albums/hh260/TR3driver/Misc%20parts/?action=view ¤t=BrokenTR3piston.jpg -- Randall > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:32 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's > attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes > oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes > air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding > the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3driver at ca.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4fb069d2c4d8b14df7d9st05duc From chasgee at aol.com Sun May 13 21:44:35 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 20:44:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-Clearance and Chemistry C. Gee? In-Reply-To: <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3413392B-B453-4335-A8E8-92FCF2EFD1D8@aol.com> Hi Joe, I don't remember the exact alloy we (Jerry Barker and I) use, I'll have to check through my records and report back. As others have said, they just have to have proper clearance, which is looser than cast iron versions, IIRC. We run very small diameter titanium valves which might be why we have no problems (less surface area). Chuck On May 12, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I think we all agree that bronze valve guides are good to use, if: > > they are properly clearanced...per Greg Solow, for instance. > > and if they have good material chemistry and properties. > > OK....CHUCK GEE or other metalurgist, what would you recommend for metal > specification? > > I have seen some suspicious looking valve guides. Is there a supplier that > anyone trusts? > > Being risk adverse, after a bad experience, we went back to oem type material. > But if we had control over the source....... > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Solow > To: Richard Taylor ; 'Tim Murphy' > ; 'Kas Kastner' > Cc: ryan.murphy ; fot > Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 2:20 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > > Richard, > I presume that by "intake" you mean total valve lift. .430" lift is > quite a bit more than stock. I would use bronze guides and would try to > obtain exhaust valves that have hard chromed or "plasma coated" stems. We > use .0015" to .002" valve stem to guide clearance on the inlets & .002" to > .0025" on the exhausts. Valve spring pressure with the valves closed should > be 85 to 90 psi. You need to make sure that the spring you use do not go > into "coil bind" at full valve lift. With the valve fully open, you must be > able to stick a .040" feeler gauge in between the coils of the spring. > We still "grind" all of our valve seats, and then lap them with fine > compound to make sure we have a good seal. I guess we are "old school". We > generally use seat widths of .040" on the exhaust & intake with hardened > valve seats installed in the head in both intake and exhausts. I like to > use 4 or more angles on the valve seats, 15, 30, 45, 60, & 75 degrees nicely > blended to form as much of a radius as possible. The hardness of the seats > prevents the seats from wearing or "pounding" and changing shape as the > engine runs. The most critical area in a head's ports is the 1/4" or so as > the seat "blends" into the "throat" of the port. That area critically > effects the flow of the port and the valve seat. This is not to say that > other areas of the ports are not important. But on an engine with a cam like > yours, you could spend a lot of money and time for very little effect. The > hotter the engine is, the more important the overall flow of the head and > manifolds becomes. On a full race engine, ie cam with over 295 degrees > duration, compression over 12: 1 and a power band going up to 7,000 rpm, a > lot of power can be picked up by working on the exhaust port flow of the > TR-4 . > > Greg Solow > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun May 13 21:48:41 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 20:48:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Re-valve guides revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0a7601cd3184$746320b0$0601a8c0@randall> > about the only OE manufacturer that I've seen that routinely > uses a bronze > guide is M Benz, and they are a very special product and only > used in some > of their engines FWIW (not much) I recall reading that GM used bronze alloy guides in their supercharged Corvair; due to unacceptable wear with cast-iron guides. But the same engine naturally aspirated used cast iron. -- Randall From mark at bradakis.com Sun May 13 23:10:24 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 23:10:24 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Team.Net notes Message-ID: <20120514051024.4F6E82E059@bradakis.com> In case you are wondering: http://www.team.net/status.html mjb. From igofaster at att.net Mon May 14 12:41:14 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 11:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] gt6 Message-ID: <1337020874.6004.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> preliminary report is .. engine is out on a stand, removed oil pan... #2 piston is in a million pieces. The rod is there with the pin. There is a hole in the cylinder wall toward the flywheel end... from the bottom, initially the valves look okay, but that is optimism. Hole in the cylinder wall is trash right? Head is coming off next, more this afternoon... Bobby.... From jsnook at wcnet.org Mon May 14 12:54:11 2012 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 14:54:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Water Temp Gauge Message-ID: <00e001cd3202$f381b5e0$da8521a0$@org> Hi all, Looking for an original style (Jaeger domed glass) water temp gauge for my TR3A. Anyone know of one for sale (that works) or a source for rebuilding. Vroom, vroom, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 (Mobile) From igofaster at att.net Mon May 14 14:00:40 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 13:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] gt6... Message-ID: <1337025640.72090.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> there's a hole in my engine, where the piston went.... I've been singing that along to an old Crowded House tune "Hole in the River" .... I THINK the head is okay.. the valves on #2 look mostly unscathed... I'll send some pictures tonight or tomorrow morning... I wanna a shower and go play guitar... even though I'm not a blues fan... I'll play at least one BB King tribute... blues.... Bobby From bownes at seiri.com Mon May 14 15:22:47 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 17:22:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] gt6 In-Reply-To: <1337020874.6004.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1337020874.6004.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Unless you are a serious miracle worker, the hole in the block is fatal. At least for the block. Bob On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > preliminary report is .. engine is out on a stand, removed oil pan... #2 > piston > is in a million pieces. The rod is there with the pin. There is a hole in > the > cylinder wall toward the flywheel end... from the bottom, initially the > valves > look okay, but that is optimism. Hole in the cylinder wall is trash right? > Head is coming off next, more this afternoon... Bobby.... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Mon May 14 16:13:47 2012 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 08:13:47 +1000 Subject: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited Message-ID: i think you guys are missing the point. bronze guides were intended to be able to run *smaller* clearances for better heat transfer. there is absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed stem valves (very rare nowadays). you want the absolute minimum for best heat transfer. Terry From robertten1 at aol.com Mon May 14 16:53:40 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube Message-ID: <8CF003B89FF85EF-1D10-98055@webmail-d023.sysops.aol.com> Amici Triumphi ! While working on building and installing the engine in my Spit, I realized I might if tossed the distance tube for the dipstick. This is the part that presses into the block on later Spit engines, mine being an early 1500. There is a part number for it ( 121831 ) and it is also used on the TR7 engines. I guess painting it yellow didn't stop me from loosing, tossing,it (?). So my question is there anyone out there that can help me acquire one of these, and I am willing to pay for it. Thanks in advance, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon May 14 18:14:49 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 17:14:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02c301cd322f$be42c130$3ac84390$@rr.com> > there > is absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed > stem valves (very rare nowadays). Or don't want the exhaust valves to stick open when the guides get good and hot, and expand inward (because they can't expand outward against the cast iron head). BTDT -- Randall From mdporter at dfn.com Mon May 14 18:26:32 2012 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:26:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FB1A2B8.9080403@dfn.com> On 5/14/2012 4:13 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote: > i think you guys are missing the point. bronze guides were intended to be > able to run *smaller* clearances for better heat transfer. there > is absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed > stem valves (very rare nowadays). you want the absolute minimum for best > heat transfer. > Umm, the issue is not the cold clearance, but the hot running clearance. Since the thermal coefficient of expansion of bronze is, depending upon type, about 2-1/2 to 3 times that of cast iron, their use in cast iron heads requires additional cold clearance, so that the hot running clearance is adequate. When the guide grows with heat, the actual running bore gets smaller, because the mechanical strength of the cast iron is higher and the coefficient of expansion is lower than that of the bronze. This is a matter rarely of concern when using bronze guides in an aluminum head, since the coefficients of expansion are closer to the same (a ratio of perhaps 3 to 4), but with cast iron, a much bigger deal because the ratio is more like 3 to 1. This is why so many racers in this country have experienced valves sticking when using the recommended factory cold clearance (appropriate only for cast-iron guides). Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From chasgee at aol.com Mon May 14 20:44:15 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 22:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF005BC08FBCF4-2C4-60623@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com> Actually, I don't think I'm missing anything. You should only be concerned with the clearances AT TEMPERATURE. Cast iron has a Coefficient of Thermal Expansion of around 6 micro inches/inch per degree F. Most bronze alloys are around 10, so the guides will grow quite a bit more and cause the bore to shrink more compared to cast iron guides. Now couple this with a change to 300 series stainless steel valves (CTE of 14), and you have a real mess compared to the stock set up. You have to take these differences into consideration when establishing the room temperature clearances using materials other than stock. I use bronze guides because those are readily available for my custom application. I also use the recommended clearance provided by the guide manufacturer for the valve material. Sure, I can make them a little tighter to get better heat transfer, but I'm guessing the gain will be very small for the potential tradeoff in reliability. I can get more performance out of my car by eating salad for a few months (after all, salad does equal speed). To be honest, I've used bronze guides now for over 15 years and couldn't really tell you if the room temperature clearance is larger or smaller compared to cast iron. My educated guess is that it is larger, simply because the materials used have greater CTEs. But feel free to tighten up the room temperature clearance with bronze guides and stainless steel valves. I can almost guarantee you will get them to stick. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Enquiries Road & Track To: fot Sent: Mon, May 14, 2012 4:56 pm Subject: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited i think you guys are missing the point. bronze guides were intended to be ble to run *smaller* clearances for better heat transfer. there s absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed tem valves (very rare nowadays). you want the absolute minimum for best eat transfer. erry ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 14 21:09:25 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 22:09:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited In-Reply-To: <4FB1A2B8.9080403@dfn.com> References: <4FB1A2B8.9080403@dfn.com> Message-ID: One of the FOT shared some calculations with me concerning the shrinking of clearances when hot... With Bronze guides with 0.004" clearance and Stainless Steel valves with 5/16" stems, when the exhaust valve hits 1000 degrees there will be 0" of clearance. I have no way to check the math and it's way above my pay grade, but what Michael is describing is exactly the issue in my mind. You want to run a clearance just big enough to avoid sticking the valves. I can't argue that Bronze is better than Iron for the guides, but a number of have found that if you don't run "enough" clearance, bad things can occur - and they get infinitely worse if you have enough lift that you're running an interference valve train. The conventional wisdom seemed to be that the iron guides had higher wear or were somehow inferior to Bronze but I'm really unclear where that notion came from. Tony At 07:26 PM 5/14/2012, Michael Porter wrote: >On 5/14/2012 4:13 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote: >>i think you guys are missing the point. bronze guides were intended to be >>able to run *smaller* clearances for better heat transfer. there >>is absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed >>stem valves (very rare nowadays). you want the absolute minimum for best >>heat transfer. > >Umm, the issue is not the cold clearance, but the hot running >clearance. Since the thermal coefficient of expansion of bronze is, >depending upon type, about 2-1/2 to 3 times that of cast iron, their >use in cast iron heads requires additional cold clearance, so that >the hot running clearance is adequate. When the guide grows with >heat, the actual running bore gets smaller, because the mechanical >strength of the cast iron is higher and the coefficient of expansion >is lower than that of the bronze. > >This is a matter rarely of concern when using bronze guides in an >aluminum head, since the coefficients of expansion are closer to the >same (a ratio of perhaps 3 to 4), but with cast iron, a much bigger >deal because the ratio is more like 3 to 1. This is why so many >racers in this country have experienced valves sticking when using >the recommended factory cold clearance (appropriate only for cast-iron guides). > > >Cheers. > >-- > > >Michael Porter >Roswell, NM > > >Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking >distance.... From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue May 15 08:12:25 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 07:12:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] gt6 References: <1337020874.6004.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <74D16842B9EA437C945DB5DD951A71C2@Charly> NOPE!, I had a hole in a block and a little damage to the cylinder on my 6 and I had a new liner fit and the hole welded up. As long as you didn't do any structural damage, it's salvageable, especially if you've had lots of machine work done to it. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bownes" To: "Bobby Whitehead" Cc: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] gt6 > Unless you are a serious miracle worker, the hole in the block is fatal. > At > least for the block. > > > Bob > > > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Bobby Whitehead > wrote: > >> preliminary report is .. engine is out on a stand, removed oil pan... #2 >> piston >> is in a million pieces. The rod is there with the pin. There is a hole in >> the >> cylinder wall toward the flywheel end... from the bottom, initially the >> valves >> look okay, but that is optimism. Hole in the cylinder wall is trash >> right? >> Head is coming off next, more this afternoon... Bobby.... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue May 15 10:47:11 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 11:47:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000c01cd32ba$5ff77090$1fe651b0$@com> Joe, I may have missed this on this thread, but have you done a compression check? This should show the results of some of the possible causes I've seen mentioned. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:11 PM To: fasttrs at yahoo.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? Mike, I changed the head to lower the compression to use pump gas as i drive the Ambro on the street. I am now wondering if this isnt where the problem started. I drove the Ambro to Minneapolis 200+ miles, following 'uncle jack', the Stag and Johnmac at Freeway speeds. It had the old head and it didnt leak any oil. My time working on this car is far apart in time so I tend to lose continuity. What can there be about this head that would do this? i am not losing coolant, btw. Thanks Mike and all. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson To: tr4racing Cc: Joe Alexander ; fot-bounces ; fot Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 7:48 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? Joe, I have had head gaskets that leaked and pressurized both the crankcase and the coolant passages. However, the most common reasons for over pressurized crankcases that i have experienced are improperly seated, broken or worn rings and holes in pistons. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Joe, > > Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it would force out water before oil starts leaking. > A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is getting forced to the valve area. > > Cheers > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 > To: > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From joeg at neb.rr.com Tue May 15 05:15:32 2012 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 06:15:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube (Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 37) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301cd328c$0b3008c0$21901a40$@rr.com> Bob, I probably have one in a spare 1500 block. Any idea of the correct length? Were there more than one lengths available? I'll check what I have and let you know - will have to be tomorrow though. If I have what you need, it's yours for the postage. Will just need an address. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE ---------------------------Original Message------------------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:40 -0400 (EDT) From: robertten1 at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube Amici Triumphi ! While working on building and installing the engine in my Spit, I realized I might if tossed the distance tube for the dipstick. This is the part that presses into the block on later Spit engines, mine being an early 1500. There is a part number for it ( 121831 ) and it is also used on the TR7 engines. I guess painting it yellow didn't stop me from loosing, tossing,it (?). So my question is there anyone out there that can help me acquire one of these, and I am willing to pay for it. Thanks in advance, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser From tedtsimx at bright.net Tue May 15 13:14:59 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 15:14:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirt reprint Message-ID: <4FB2AB33.3090208@bright.net> Hello list members. We did not receive enough orders to reprint the Kas Cup shirt. For those who did order, thanks for the effort. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US& Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue May 15 14:28:30 2012 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 14:28:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Air filter screens Message-ID: Would anyone have an extra pair of 3" 'slip on' Air Horn filter screens? These horns are for a CD-150 set. thanks! Kevin From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Tue May 15 14:54:04 2012 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 20:54:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] bleeding hydraulic throw out bearing Message-ID: <877960714.375330.1337115244590.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Can i get a run down on the bleed procedure for a hydraulic bearing> In the past i just let gravity do the work but i don't have the clutch peddle as before, the shifts are sticky as well as reverse grinds a lot to engage and hard to pull out I ran this on jack stands up to about 3kB rpmB B B thanksB rob From jkhagen at charter.net Tue May 15 15:43:15 2012 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 17:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube (Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 37) Message-ID: <4334252f.1d4d1d.13752747ec2.Webtop.44@charter.net> Spitfire racers/street owners--Dean Johnson [e/f prod. national champion] is selling all his Spitfire cars and parts--too many to mention. E-mail dean at motorscop.net John Hagen On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Joe Guinan wrote: > Bob, > > I probably have one in a spare 1500 block. Any idea of the correct > length? > Were there more than one lengths available? I'll check what I have > and let > you know - will have to be tomorrow though. If I have what you need, > it's > yours for the postage. Will just need an address. > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > ---------------------------Original > Message------------------------------------------ > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:40 -0400 (EDT) > From: robertten1 at aol.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube > > Amici Triumphi ! > > While working on building and installing the engine in my Spit, I > realized I > might if tossed the distance tube for the dipstick. This is the part > that > presses into the block on later Spit engines, mine being an early > 1500. > There > is a part number for it ( 121831 ) and it is also used on the TR7 > engines. > I > guess painting it yellow didn't stop me from loosing, tossing,it (?). > > So my question is there anyone out there that can help me acquire one > of > these, and I am willing to pay for it. > > Thanks in advance, > Bob T > > '64 Spit GT autocrosser > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue May 15 20:06:27 2012 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 02:06:27 GMT Subject: [Fot] bleeding hydraulic throw out bearing Message-ID: <20120515.220627.24810.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> I have a braided hose that runs from the hydraulic bearing up into the passenger compartment, which has bleeder at the end of the hose. I use a pressure bleeder and push the fluid thru and out the bleeder. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net To: FOT team Subject: [Fot] bleeding hydraulic throw out bearing Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 20:54:04 +0000 (UTC) Can i get a run down on the bleed procedure for a hydraulic bearing> In the past i just let gravity do the work but i don't have the clutch peddle as before, the shifts are sticky as well as reverse grinds a lot to engage and hard to pull out I ran this on jack stands up to about 3kB rpmB B B thanksB rob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ The New "Skinny" Fruit How This Strange 62-Cent African Fruit Is Making Americans Skinny. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4fb30bfb3993415e4fc7st06duc From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue May 15 21:03:56 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 22:03:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited In-Reply-To: <20120515044330.7E8E02D094A@autox.team.net> References: <4FB1A2B8.9080403@dfn.com> <20120515044330.7E8E02D094A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000301cd3310$8881e580$9985b080$@com> I had sent Tony the spread sheet some time ago analyzing the clearance between the guide and the valve at various temperatures. This is based on the coefficient of expansion of cast iron (cylinder head, 6.0X10b;b6 In / In / Deg. F.), manganese bronze (guides, 11.8X10b;b6 In / In / Deg. F.) and valves (21-4N stainless steel 9.9X10b;b6 In / In / Deg. F.). I think, based on an internet search, that 21-4N is the common stainless steel used for exhaust valves. The model is based on the bore in the cylinder head being smaller than the O.D. of the guide at operating temperature due to the differences in their coefficient of expansion, just as others have recently mentioned. This makes the bore or I.D. of the guide smaller at operating temperature. The biggest factor is the coefficient of expansion of the valve being almost double that of the cast iron, which controls the I.D. of the guide. I've since refined the model to incorporate different rates of temperature rise in the head, guide and valve stem. The next thing to do was to get better data on the operating temperatures, particularly in a race environment. I've been searching the internet trying to get an idea on temperatures of the exhaust valve, guide and cylinder head. So far I've found that the surface of the combustion chamber is in the neighborhood of 266 to 496 degrees F. Then I found that exhaust valves run in the area of 1000 degrees F. The interesting thing was that the point was made that the valve is only "exposed" to the exhaust gases for 1 out of 4 of the cycles, more or less. The point being that there is a lot of time to transfer the heat to the seat (which transfers the most heat) and the guide. Question: I am aware of the "downside" of not having enough clearance, i.e. a stuck valve, but what is the "downside" of too much clearance? I think we are talking about a clearance of 0.004 versus 0.002 on the diameter of the exhaust valve, cold. That's only a difference of 0.001 on a side, cold! And at operating temperatures the difference will be quite a bit less. A stuck valve can cost a race weekend and more, what can a "loose" guide cost? Tim Murphy -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 10:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited One of the FOT shared some calculations with me concerning the shrinking of clearances when hot... With Bronze guides with 0.004" clearance and Stainless Steel valves with 5/16" stems, when the exhaust valve hits 1000 degrees there will be 0" of clearance. I have no way to check the math and it's way above my pay grade, but what Michael is describing is exactly the issue in my mind. You want to run a clearance just big enough to avoid sticking the valves. I can't argue that Bronze is better than Iron for the guides, but a number of have found that if you don't run "enough" clearance, bad things can occur - and they get infinitely worse if you have enough lift that you're running an interference valve train. The conventional wisdom seemed to be that the iron guides had higher wear or were somehow inferior to Bronze but I'm really unclear where that notion came from. Tony At 07:26 PM 5/14/2012, Michael Porter wrote: >On 5/14/2012 4:13 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote: >>i think you guys are missing the point. bronze guides were intended to be >>able to run *smaller* clearances for better heat transfer. there >>is absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed >>stem valves (very rare nowadays). you want the absolute minimum for best >>heat transfer. > >Umm, the issue is not the cold clearance, but the hot running >clearance. Since the thermal coefficient of expansion of bronze is, >depending upon type, about 2-1/2 to 3 times that of cast iron, their >use in cast iron heads requires additional cold clearance, so that >the hot running clearance is adequate. When the guide grows with >heat, the actual running bore gets smaller, because the mechanical >strength of the cast iron is higher and the coefficient of expansion >is lower than that of the bronze. > >This is a matter rarely of concern when using bronze guides in an >aluminum head, since the coefficients of expansion are closer to the >same (a ratio of perhaps 3 to 4), but with cast iron, a much bigger >deal because the ratio is more like 3 to 1. This is why so many >racers in this country have experienced valves sticking when using >the recommended factory cold clearance (appropriate only for cast-iron guides). > > >Cheers. > >-- > > >Michael Porter >Roswell, NM > > >Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking >distance.... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From igofaster at att.net Tue May 15 08:55:31 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 07:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 / Spitfire and Engine Message-ID: <1337093731.4254.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Talked to Ted at TSI thinking the engine block is terminal. I did tear into it a little farther removing the pistons and rods. #2 bearing on the rod (which is bent) is worn paper thin and probably gave way. 1000 pieces of the piston were in the oil pan, not worthy of photographs. The crank on #2 rod shows some damage, I think it was turned .020 last time and I'm not smart enough to know if this damage can be polished out, I'm guessing not. There was some pitting on the #2 lifter, some scorching on the outside of the #1 lifter to.. there was some other anomalies with a couple of the other bearings, and one or two lifters. Several other pistons were damaged or broken with bits and pieces of the destroyed piston moving throughout the engine. My knees were giving out , so that's where I was at last night... I'll try to post some photos this afternoon. on another note, I have my 1965 Race prepared Spitfire I'm getting ready to list and sell on eBay if anyone is interested. It needs some attention, but is probably close to being ready as I was in the middle of a complete rewiring of the electrical. It has a 1500 in it, two or three heads, robust chassis and roll cage. $4000.00 ... I also have a 1300 small journal engine that I rebuilt with head. Will need a race cam and custom pushrods to finish into a race engine. Otherwise the engine only had about 60,000 miles on it and the crankshaft and rods did NOT need to be turned so they were 0.000 (stock) bearings. I did re-sleeve the block, put 0.030 pistons in and had the short block balanced... I've got $4000.00+ in it at this point... $2000.00 is a deal for somebody... Bobby Whitehead .... onward through the fog! From rjl6n at cstone.net Wed May 16 04:45:53 2012 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (Water Rescue Chief) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 06:45:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <000c01cd32ba$5ff77090$1fe651b0$@com> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <000c01cd32ba$5ff77090$1fe651b0$@com> Message-ID: <3b86c7d9e67391237050c78cffc8f3dc.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Joe and Tim, A leakdown test might be even more informative. Good luck, John On Tue, May 15, 2012 12:47 pm, Tim Murphy wrote: > Joe, > I may have missed this on this thread, but have you done a > compression check? This should show the results of some of the possible > causes I've seen mentioned. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Joe Alexander > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:11 PM > To: fasttrs at yahoo.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com > Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > Mike, > > I changed the head to lower the compression to use pump gas as i drive the > Ambro on the street. > > I am now wondering if this isnt where the problem started. > > I drove the Ambro to Minneapolis 200+ miles, following 'uncle jack', the > Stag > and Johnmac at Freeway speeds. It had the old head and it didnt leak any > oil. > > My time working on this car is far apart in time so I tend to lose > continuity. > > What can there be about this head that would do this? i am not losing > coolant, > btw. > > Thanks Mike and all. > > > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Munson > To: tr4racing > Cc: Joe Alexander ; fot-bounces > ; > fot > Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 7:48 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > > Joe, I have had head gaskets that leaked and pressurized both the > crankcase > and > the coolant passages. However, the most common reasons for over > pressurized > crankcases that i have experienced are improperly seated, broken or worn > rings > and holes in pistons. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > >> Hi Joe, >> >> Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking >> it > would force out water before oil starts leaking. >> A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas > is > getting forced to the valve area. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joe Alexander >> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 >> To: >> Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? >> >> I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. >> >> It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. >> >> This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA >> >> After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out > regardless >> of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? >> >> I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. >> >> Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the >> crankcase? >> >> A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the >> problem >> before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From jkhagen at charter.net Wed May 16 08:05:43 2012 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube (Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 37) Message-ID: <7c3fe190.1d7cd7.13755f7f7ec.Webtop.49@charter.net> Sorry- That was dean at motorscope.net On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:43 PM, jkhagen at charter.net wrote: > Spitfire racers/street owners--Dean Johnson [e/f prod. national > champion] is selling all his Spitfire cars and parts--too many to > mention. > E-mail dean at motorscop.net John Hagen > > > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Joe Guinan wrote: > >> Bob, >> >> I probably have one in a spare 1500 block. Any idea of the correct >> length? >> Were there more than one lengths available? I'll check what I have >> and let >> you know - will have to be tomorrow though. If I have what you need, >> it's >> yours for the postage. Will just need an address. >> >> Joe Guinan >> Fremont, NE >> ---------------------------Original >> Message------------------------------------------ >> Message: 6 >> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:40 -0400 (EDT) >> From: robertten1 at aol.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube >> >> Amici Triumphi ! >> >> While working on building and installing the engine in my Spit, I >> realized I >> might if tossed the distance tube for the dipstick. This is the part >> that >> presses into the block on later Spit engines, mine being an early >> 1500. >> There >> is a part number for it ( 121831 ) and it is also used on the TR7 >> engines. >> I >> guess painting it yellow didn't stop me from loosing, tossing,it (?). >> >> So my question is there anyone out there that can help me acquire one >> of >> these, and I am willing to pay for it. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Bob T >> >> '64 Spit GT autocrosser >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From kaskas at cox.net Wed May 16 08:25:45 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 14:25:45 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Address help Message-ID: Can anyone please give me an E-mail address for Randy Williams who just won the Kastner Cup at Atlanta? Never be beaten by equipment From triosan at gmail.com Wed May 16 11:19:18 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Address help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kas, did a Google Search on Randy Williams TR3 and found this address: *Randy Williams" wrote: > Can anyone please give me an E-mail address for Randy Williams who just won > the Kastner Cup at Atlanta? > > Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From triosan at gmail.com Wed May 16 11:26:29 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:26:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pictures at the mitty Message-ID: Here is a link to photos of Randy at the 2012 Mitty: https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5743182556604024881 -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From BillDentin at aol.com Wed May 16 14:05:05 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... Message-ID: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger From kaskas at cox.net Wed May 16 15:04:03 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 21:04:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Addresses Message-ID: thanks to all who forwarded Randy's address to me. Never be beaten by equipment From gp89 at charter.net Wed May 16 15:22:37 2012 From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 17:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube (Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 37) Message-ID: <4c4977d6.14e7a0.1375787f67e.Webtop.48@charter.net> I lost one during a race along with a significant amount of oil. Tapped the hole after that and put in a pipe plug. Jeff Senty On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Joe Guinan wrote: > Bob, > > I probably have one in a spare 1500 block. Any idea of the correct > length? > Were there more than one lengths available? I'll check what I have > and let > you know - will have to be tomorrow though. If I have what you need, > it's > yours for the postage. Will just need an address. > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > ---------------------------Original > Message------------------------------------------ > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:40 -0400 (EDT) > From: robertten1 at aol.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube > > Amici Triumphi ! > > While working on building and installing the engine in my Spit, I > realized I > might if tossed the distance tube for the dipstick. This is the part > that > presses into the block on later Spit engines, mine being an early > 1500. > There > is a part number for it ( 121831 ) and it is also used on the TR7 > engines. > I > guess painting it yellow didn't stop me from loosing, tossing,it (?). > > So my question is there anyone out there that can help me acquire one > of > these, and I am willing to pay for it. > > Thanks in advance, > Bob T > > '64 Spit GT autocrosser > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gp89 at charter.net From SStarkweather at vbisd.org Wed May 16 17:06:12 2012 From: SStarkweather at vbisd.org (Scott Starkweather) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 19:06:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire References: <4FB3FAA3020000B60005D1CB@mail.vbisd.org> <4FB3FAA4020000B60005D1CE@mail.vbisd.org> Message-ID: <4FB3FAA4020000B60005D1CE@mail.vbisd.org> I'm a new member to this group, Thanks to Scott Barr, his dad Jerry and friend (who's name I can't remember- sorry) that I met a couple of weeks ago at Gingerman in South Haven Mi. at the Vintage races. I'm impressed at the knowledge of the members and their willingness to share and help each other out. I'm looking forward to learning as much as I can as I and a couple friends work on building our recently purchased spitfire. It's a 1975 w/ the 1500. I'm looking for any advice I can get in prepping the chassis and drivetrain for race. Scott Starkweather 1962 TR3b. 1975 Spitfire St. Joseph Mi. From sjanzen at me.com Wed May 16 17:16:06 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 19:16:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> 12.5 mpg - I wish. I have a 2010 Ford Expedition, great ride, nice vehicle, don't have to slow down on grades, but I'm lucky to get 9 mpg, usually 8-8.5, towing a 20' v-nose Worthington aluminum box trailer with my GT6. towing weight is probably about 5,500 lb. On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From clw2000 at msn.com Wed May 16 17:23:36 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 19:23:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: Funny, because I drove an empty Range Rover on a flat interstate and got about the same mpg! Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2012, at 6:49 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed May 16 17:33:10 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 18:33:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: Finally, a new interesting topic. do you have bronze guides in that baby... no don't go there. Yeah Bill I would say 12.5 is pretty good for that rig and tow. My Sprinter did great on gas on the way down there. However, not necessarily regrettable, I had my friend tow the race car down there with his big trailer (our home for the weekend with full electric, deluxe canopy set up, and other cool racer niceness). I felt rather good all weekend and was able to focus on learning the track and racing with all those killer fast Triumphs. Anyway, in comparison the big rig with trailer got only 8 or 9 mpg running unleaded. The Sprinter can go much longer on fuel and I spent (in dollars) about 25% of the money it cost me to fuel the V10 Magnum. I figure the Dodge Sprinter 5 Cly turbo Diesel got in the high 20's 27-29 MPG. Good on that but the TWO vehicle bill for Mitty journey was not kind to the FGR pocket book. But, Worth every penny! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM, wrote: I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed May 16 17:40:46 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 19:40:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <2CAEF254-4527-47CE-A749-3DA4D23BDF3F@gdhs.com> That's great mileage, but one must also consider say 3 nites at motels, 3 days of food & say .50 per mile in deprecation + having to pack and unload the car and all that stuff, wear & tear on the old body to boot; so, I don't want to sound out of hand, but John's Freightliner with all of the above included @ $1.50 per mile ain't all that bad either. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From gasket.works at gte.net Wed May 16 18:55:28 2012 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 00:55:28 +0000 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <1362937683-1337216131-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1835350276-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Volvo truck combined weight with trailer and two stacked tr4's. Is 43k lbs. Zero grade @ 55 is 15.5+mpg @1100rpm. . Avg however is 9.8mpg. @ 60 Mph @ 1200 rpm all grades. 150 gal fuel. About 6 gal/hwy hour. Motor is dual overhead cam cummins 6 cyl isx 15 liter 430 HP detuned from max 600 HP. about 1500 ft lbs torque w/ max about 2000ft lbs. Will do better than 55mph on southbound California grapevine grade @ 1.8mpg @ 35lbs boost. Will pin the spedo going up the baker grade to Vegas (85+). Engine weighs 3100lbs. Uses 56 quarts of oil. Bought this motor not so much for the get up and go power but the ability of the Jake brakes to slow the truck and trailer. It used to be a very very scary ride down the Calif. Grapevine before this. The best part is that NO trailer brakes needed even with trailer fully loaded @ 13k lbs. I used to have do the trailer brakes nearly twice a year. Now, have not needed trailer brakes in past 7 years. Parts available everywhere. Only cost twice as much as my wife's GMC 4500 top kick. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin at aol.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:05:05 To: Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed May 16 19:20:10 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 21:20:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: Not exactly apples to apples. On the tow to from the Mitty with my F-150 4X4 with a 5.4L gas engine, loaded to the hilt plus the 16 foot aluminum open trailer with the Spitfire on it we got 15.5 mpg. Didn't break a sweat on the hills. Marty > From: BillDentin at aol.com > Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:05:05 -0400 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From mlcooknj at msn.com Wed May 16 19:42:33 2012 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 21:42:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: Trouble on hills, eh? And what does the driver weigh? Mike Cook> From: BillDentin at aol.com > Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:05:05 -0400 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From chasgee at aol.com Wed May 16 20:49:17 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 22:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF01EEC921A881-12A0-9F9A@webmail-m026.sysops.aol.com> Finally, a new interesting topic. o you have bronze guides in that baby... no don't go there. Now that's funny, right there! Good for you Jason. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: BillDentin Cc: fot Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 7:28 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... Finally, a new interesting topic. o you have bronze guides in that baby... no don't go there. Yeah Bill I would say 12.5 is pretty good for that rig and tow. My Sprinter did great on gas on the way down there. owever, not necessarily regrettable, I had my friend tow the race car down here with his big trailer (our home for the weekend with full lectric, deluxe canopy set up, and other cool racer niceness). I felt ather good all weekend and was able to focus on learning the track and acing with all those killer fast Triumphs. nyway, in comparison the big rig with trailer got only 8 or 9 mpg running nleaded. he Sprinter can go much longer on fuel and I spent (in dollars) about 25% f the money it cost me to fuel the V10 Magnum. figure the Dodge Sprinter 5 Cly turbo Diesel got in the high 20's 27-29 PG. ood on that but the TWO vehicle bill for Mitty journey was not kind to the GR pocket book. ut, orth every penny! Jason Ostrowski riendly Ghost Racing n Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM, wrote: I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY rip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty ood. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger ______________________________________________ ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From sjanzen at me.com Wed May 16 20:53:59 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 22:53:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> Message-ID: <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> No trailer, but fairly loaded, the same vehicle gets 16 mpg at 75. Wind resistance of the box trailer is the killer. Open trailer doesn't have anywhere near the impact. On May 16, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: 12.5 mpg - I wish. I have a 2010 Ford Expedition, great ride, nice vehicle, don't have to slow down on grades, but I'm lucky to get 9 mpg, usually 8-8.5, towing a 20' v-nose Worthington aluminum box trailer with my GT6. towing weight is probably about 5,500 lb. On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From sgroh1 at comcast.net Wed May 16 20:56:26 2012 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 22:56:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> Message-ID: <43C4A135-E3F3-4164-A6FC-B4FC3EE3104B@comcast.net> 9.5 with a 7,000 pound V10 Excursion towing a 22 foot trailer with gear equalling 6,500 pounds Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > 12.5 mpg - I wish. I have a 2010 Ford Expedition, great ride, nice vehicle, don't have to slow down on grades, but I'm lucky to get 9 mpg, usually 8-8.5, towing a 20' v-nose Worthington aluminum box trailer with my GT6. towing weight is probably about 5,500 lb. > > On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1 at comcast.net From cwnfot at gmail.com Wed May 16 21:03:03 2012 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 23:03:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] eBay: Mystery Triumph GT6 or Spitfire Racing Gearbox Message-ID: <006701cd33d9$9469bd90$bd3d38b0$@com> NFI Interesting puzzle gearbox for Spitfire. Is it a close-ratio GT6 converted to Spitfire? http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150806989467 Item = 150806989467 Thinking back, I did get a tranny with OD from a clapped out Vitesse back in the 70s that bolted right in to my 1968 Mk3 Spitfire. Hmmmm. If I remember correctly. Or did I take the gearbox apart and build the OD into a Spitfire gear set? I think it was a 1500/1600cc 6 in that car. But this tranny has a KC number. http://club.triumph.org.uk/prefix1.htm#Vitesse Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed May 16 22:02:41 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 04:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <350743436.448177.1337227361838.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> bronze guides? That's really funny, Jason. Thanks for that one. The Sprinter sure sounds like a great tow vehicle. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Ostrowski" To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:33:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... Finally, a new interesting topic. do you have bronze guides in that baby... no don't go there. Yeah Bill I would say 12.5 is pretty good for that rig and tow. My Sprinter did great on gas on the way down there. However, not necessarily regrettable, I had my friend tow the race car down there with his big trailer (our home for the weekend with full electric, deluxe canopy set up, and other cool racer niceness). I felt rather good all weekend and was able to focus on learning the track and racing with all those killer fast Triumphs. Anyway, in comparison the big rig with trailer got only 8 or 9 mpg running unleaded. The Sprinter can go much longer on fuel and I spent (in dollars) about 25% of the money it cost me to fuel the V10 Magnum. I figure the Dodge Sprinter 5 Cly turbo Diesel got in the high 20's 27-29 MPG. Good on that but the TWO vehicle bill for Mitty journey was not kind to the FGR pocket book. But, Worth every penny! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM, wrote: I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From LimeyV8 at aol.com Wed May 16 22:37:40 2012 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (Jack Mc) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 00:37:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <2BA909C0-5803-4DB8-86D5-4174599A3A7F@aol.com> I get about 12mpg with my 2002 Chevy Avalanche loaded to the gills and towing a TR6 or TR8 on an open trailer I'd like my next tow vehicle to be a Dodge with the Cummins diesel engine - i hear great mileage stories from current owners of those Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu May 17 00:58:03 2012 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 23:58:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com><21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on wind direction and the grade. It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever the posted speed limit is. Joe C. From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Thu May 17 00:59:25 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 23:59:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3DF1@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Mordy's "toterhome" is the real deal, just like the big-boy fat-cat teams. Ours is somewhat more pedestrian. 36' Winnebago Journey diesel pusher coach, towing a custom 24' stacker trailer. Total weight around 36,000#. Caterpillar 330hp (7.2 liter) six, Allison six speed. I never precisely calculate mileage, because I really don't care, but I do fill it up when it gets low. I guesstimate it's getting about 10 mpg on the flats towing our small 16' enclosed trailer. About 8.5 towing the stacker loaded with Spitfire, GT6 & my wife's Formula V car, plus scooter, tools, tires, fuel, etc... Out west here, we've got to climb some pretty big hills just to get out of town, as Mordy alluded to. Going up Grapevine northbound (I-5), I get down to about 50 minimum. Grapevine south, it slows to about 38 for the initial segment. My coach only puts out 900 lb ft, versus Mordy's 1500, and thus he can blow by up any hill I'm crawling up. Towing is all about TORQUE, and Mordy's rig is king. On the other hand, my CAT only needs 21 quarts for an oil change! Alternately, my wife frequently tows her Formula V with her Cadillac SRX. Gets a lot of looks, and about 15 mpg on the freeway. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu May 17 06:39:30 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 07:39:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <1B41D235-2C3D-46CA-9B12-ABE2167EEB95@austin.rr.com> I towed two TR4's in a 28 foot enclosed trailer (10,000 lbs) behind my GMC 2500 HD 6.0 gas truck. The mileage was something like 8.5 mpg. I feel a little better about that now, especially because Bob Blake paid the gas on the way back. It's like I got 17 mpg. Not a bad deal. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2012, at 3:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Thu May 17 06:40:32 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 08:40:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... Message-ID: Amici, Once again, I'll make the offer to anyone desiring a new tow vehicle, as a Ford guy, I can get you X plan on any new Ford or Lincoln. One of the members of this list bought a Mustang on X plan and saved enough to buy a GT instead of a V6. I haven't towed with my F150 yet, but I got 20.4 on the 2700 mile round trip to Sebring. I saw 22.7 on one leg. Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu May 17 07:06:22 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 09:06:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was using my "new" mini motorhome for the first time going to this event. For years I've been towing my open 3500LB trailer with a 1985 35 foot Class A (16,000 Lbs) motorhome with a 454 (gas) engine. No matter where I went with it, if I kept it under 70, I'd get 5.5 -6 MPG. After doing some rough guesses on the amount of gas to get to the Mitty and back to NY, I started looking for a smaller rig. I eventually found a 96 Chevy 1 ton van based Class B motorhome. It has a fuel injected 350 gas engine, 29K miles and everything inside with the exception of a shower that the old behemoth had, just on a smaller scale (17' vs 35'). Since it was the first trip in it, I was checking milage just about every stop on the way down (Up and down hill almost all the way there). I got a worst of 8 MPG in PA and a best of almost 13 when we got closer to GA. Over all on the trip it came out to just under 10 MPG, so I "saved" almost $600 with the new rig. My 1st run in the thing, a 2 hour trip home, when I bought it last month, nothing in tow, at 65-70 MPH, averaged ~20 MPG so I think it's a keeper. I'll lay off the twinkies (does Light beer weigh less too?) and see what stuff I don't really need in the trailer , and maybe get it up to 12 MPG for my local events (with fewer hills) at Limerock, Watkins Glen, NJMP and Pocono. 63 Spitfire #7 G. Michael Harmuth From horizonracing at msn.com Thu May 17 08:22:50 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 07:22:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <2BA909C0-5803-4DB8-86D5-4174599A3A7F@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com>, <2BA909C0-5803-4DB8-86D5-4174599A3A7F@aol.com> Message-ID: Our trip to the Mitty From Seattle (2777miles each way) in our "new" 2001 Frieghtliner semi. Gross weight of 57K for this trip. With a head wind at 70mph was 5.2 and with a tail wind was 7.0 ! The best part is you only need to change down from 10th to 9th for 98% of the hills at 45-55 mph. Comparied to the F650 we had (POS) that thing could only do 25-35mph over the hills. YES, I run Bronze guides..LOL Tony G. > From: LimeyV8 at aol.com > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 00:37:40 -0400 > To: BillDentin at aol.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > I get about 12mpg with my 2002 Chevy Avalanche loaded to the gills and towing > a TR6 or TR8 on an open trailer > > I'd like my next tow vehicle to be a Dodge with the Cummins diesel engine - i > hear great mileage stories from current owners of those > > Cheers, > Jack Mc > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > > Amici... > > > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's > the > > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the > other. > > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's > chairs > > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of > those grades > > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > > good. What do others experience? > > > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu May 17 08:37:58 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 10:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi, My rig is a '99 Chevy Express one-ton cargo van. The motor is a 5.7 liter chevy V8 with the HD tranny (700R6, I think). My normal trailer is a 20 foot enclosed Pace American rallye. With the car and "stuff", the gross trailer weight is in the 6500 pound range. I get between 9 and 10 MPG with the enclosed trailer. With an open trailer, I get more like 13. I only have one data point for that setup, but it was a 3500 mile round trip tow, so it should be valid. With the enclosed trailer, if I get a run on the big hills, I can stay above 50 MPH easily. Once in a while I get boxed in on a hill approach and then I might drop to below 50 before the hill crests, but that's only because when the tranny steps down to the lower gear, I get out of the gas so I don't try to pull a long distance in the lower gear. This truck has about 140K miles on it, so it's not a spring chicken. The 5.7 liter Chevy motor that was in the Express Vans from the mid-90's to the early 2000 range were rated at 225 HP and I believe that number. My older truck ('84 G10) had similar miles on it, but the motor was rated at 150-ish HP. The difference is amazing. That thing downshifted pulling out of my driveway. It was HORRIBLE. OTOH, it was close to a junkyard truck when I bought it and I put a lot of miles on it over the 5 or 6 years I had it... so, it was "tired", to say the least. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bownes at seiri.com Thu May 17 08:51:05 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 10:51:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a 1500 to see how well it holds up. I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck > open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and > tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on > wind direction and the grade. > > It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to > Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever the > posted speed limit is. > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From bkahler1 at gmail.com Thu May 17 09:47:05 2012 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 11:47:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Transmission input shaft turning and spline cutting Message-ID: Amici, I need to have a couple of TR7 4-speed transmission input shafts shortened and new splines cut. If you know of a good machinist that can do this I would like contact information if possible. Thanks! Brad From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 17 10:12:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 12:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF025F0C840659-23FC-1310E@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> 1999 Class B Ford motorhome chassis TRITON V8 Open Trailer with Ambro = 3500# 13 mpg @ 60 mph Motor Home offsets a lot of the motel costs on any given trip, but maintenance, depreciation, etc still makes it a lifestyle choice. Sure is nice having at the track, though. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: George Harmuth To: fot Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 10:49 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing I was using my "new" mini motorhome for the first time going to this event. For years I've been towing my open 3500LB trailer with a 1985 35 foot Class A (16,000 Lbs) motorhome with a 454 (gas) engine. No matter where I went with it, if I kept it under 70, I'd get 5.5 -6 MPG. After doing some rough guesses on the amount of gas to get to the Mitty and back to NY, I started looking for a smaller rig. I eventually found a 96 Chevy 1 ton van based Class B motorhome. It has a fuel injected 350 gas engine, 29K miles and everything inside with the exception of a shower that the old behemoth had, just on a smaller scale (17' vs 35'). Since it was the first trip in it, I was checking milage just about every stop on the way down (Up and down hill almost all the way there). I got a worst of 8 MPG in PA and a best of almost 13 when we got closer to GA. Over all on the trip it came out to just under 10 MPG, so I "saved" almost $600 with the new rig. My 1st run in the thing, a 2 hour trip home, when I bought it last month, nothing in tow, at 65-70 MPH, averaged ~20 MPG so I think it's a keeper. I'll lay off the twinkies (does Light beer weigh less too?) and see what stuff I don't really need in the trailer , and maybe get it up to 12 MPG for my local events (with fewer hills) at Limerock, Watkins Glen, NJMP and Pocono. 63 Spitfire #7 G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu May 17 12:16:39 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 14:16:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com>, <2BA909C0-5803-4DB8-86D5-4174599A3A7F@aol.com> Message-ID: <398535745C644952851C4E0B31DF40CE@gdhs.local> Long Live Freightliners, another great product of the Charlotte area....(especially ones with bronze guides) John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony and Annie Garmey Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:23 AM To: limeyv8 at aol.com; billdentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... Our trip to the Mitty From Seattle (2777miles each way) in our "new" 2001 Frieghtliner semi. Gross weight of 57K for this trip. With a head wind at 70mph was 5.2 and with a tail wind was 7.0 ! The best part is you only need to change down from 10th to 9th for 98% of the hills at 45-55 mph. Comparied to the F650 we had (POS) that thing could only do 25-35mph over the hills. YES, I run Bronze guides..LOL Tony G. > From: LimeyV8 at aol.com > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 00:37:40 -0400 > To: BillDentin at aol.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > I get about 12mpg with my 2002 Chevy Avalanche loaded to the gills and towing > a TR6 or TR8 on an open trailer > > I'd like my next tow vehicle to be a Dodge with the Cummins diesel > engine - i > hear great mileage stories from current owners of those > > Cheers, > Jack Mc > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > > Amici... > > > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow > > with a > > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle > > (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's > the > > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I > > highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and > > shelves on the > other. > > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds > > of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two > > captain's > chairs > > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on > > some of > those grades > > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded > > with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer > > tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile > > MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought > > that was pretty > > good. What do others experience? > > > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Thu May 17 13:18:43 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 14:18:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <1B41D235-2C3D-46CA-9B12-ABE2167EEB95@austin.rr.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <1B41D235-2C3D-46CA-9B12-ABE2167EEB95@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: My Tundra gets around 11 mpg when hauling our 7x14 enclosed trailer and perhaps 15 or 16 when towing the aluminum single-axle flatbed with the Morgan on it (I'll check again this weekend). The Vixen 21td motorhome, which usually got 23-25 mpg with its BMW turbodiesel engine, dropped to around 18 mpg pulling the aluminum trailer and race car but it was very tiring having to monitor the EGT gauge so closely to keep from burning up the engine due to the extra load, so I won't be trying that again. Sprinters have been on my radar for some time now and I may end up with one, particularly if I find one that has a simple weekender camping package. Duncan From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu May 17 16:07:45 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 17:07:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of > the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the > 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > 1500 to see how well it holds up. > > I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >> wind direction and the grade. >> >> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever the >> posted speed limit is. >> >> Joe C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Thu May 17 16:36:29 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 23:36:29 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing In-Reply-To: <8CF025F0C840659-23FC-1310E@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF025F0C840659-23FC-1310E@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Jeez You guys and juice ! When im trailering 'Beastie' im getting 40 mpg average with my diesel BMW 530 msport estate and my lightweight streamlined covered Trailer at 70 mph .... I can't afford to truck at your prices ! Beastie does 10 mpg so I'd rather drive and sleep in the hedges with the wildlife ! Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 17 May 2012, at 17:12, Joe Alexander wrote: > 1999 Class B Ford motorhome chassis TRITON V8 > > Open Trailer with Ambro = 3500# > > 13 mpg @ 60 mph > > Motor Home offsets a lot of the motel costs on any given trip, but > maintenance, depreciation, etc still makes it a lifestyle choice. Sure is nice > having at the track, though. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: George Harmuth > To: fot > Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 10:49 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing > > > I was using my "new" mini motorhome for the first time going to this event. > For years I've been towing my open 3500LB trailer with a 1985 35 foot Class > A (16,000 Lbs) motorhome with a 454 (gas) engine. No matter where I went > with it, if I kept it under 70, I'd get 5.5 -6 MPG. After doing some rough > guesses on the amount of gas to get to the Mitty and back to NY, I started > looking for a smaller rig. > > I eventually found a 96 Chevy 1 ton van based Class B motorhome. It has a > fuel injected 350 gas engine, 29K miles and everything inside with the > exception of a shower that the old behemoth had, just on a smaller scale > (17' vs 35'). Since it was the first trip in it, I was checking milage just > about every stop on the way down (Up and down hill almost all the way > there). I got a worst of 8 MPG in PA and a best of almost 13 when we got > closer to GA. Over all on the trip it came out to just under 10 MPG, so I > "saved" almost $600 with the new rig. My 1st run in the thing, a 2 hour > trip home, when I bought it last month, nothing in tow, at 65-70 MPH, > averaged ~20 MPG so I think it's a keeper. I'll lay off the twinkies (does > Light beer weigh less too?) and see what stuff I don't really need in the > trailer , and maybe get it up to 12 MPG for my local events (with fewer > hills) at Limerock, Watkins Glen, NJMP and Pocono. > > 63 Spitfire #7 > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From rjl at gt-classics.com Thu May 17 20:17:01 2012 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 22:17:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: <4FB5B11D.7020006@gt-classics.com> My 2005 Dodge Ram (5.7 Hemi) gets about 10 - 11 mpg pulling the 20 foot Horton hauler enclosed trailer with workbench, lots of tools, and a Formula Ford plus camping gear. It has no problem maintaining speed up any of the hills around here, but maybe that's because I hid my light bar behind the grill - trying to be slightly subtle about it. :-) John On 5/17/2012 10:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of > the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the > 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > 1500 to see how well it holds up. > > I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > > >> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >> wind direction and the grade. >> >> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever the >> posted speed limit is. >> >> Joe C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com > > > > > -- Thanks, R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Thu May 17 20:59:51 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 20:59:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and all hills. Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze guides. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount > of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >> >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >> >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >>> wind direction and the grade. >>> >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > the >>> posted speed limit is. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From jsnook at wcnet.org Fri May 18 06:47:38 2012 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 08:47:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Water Temp Gauge F-U Message-ID: <007901cd34f4$687dec80$3979c580$@org> Thanks for all the leads to help with my broken water temp gauge. Sounds like there are a number of sources to rebuild them. I have a lead on a working used one, and if not, we've contacted MoMa who will rebuild ours and can turn it around in a day or so. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 (Mobile) From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri May 18 07:21:12 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 09:21:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com><21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com><6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: 10-4 on the bar! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:00 PM To: Bob Kramer Cc: robert bownes; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and all hills. Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze guides. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount > of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old > 1500 with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much >> regardless of >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It >> slows down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, >> both with the >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at >> them cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension >> under a 1500 to see how well it holds up. >> >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs >> at least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >> >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double >>> deck open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of >>> gear and tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, >>> depending entirely on wind direction and the grade. >>> >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain >>> to Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at >>> whatever > the >>> posted speed limit is. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From cofrog at q.com Fri May 18 08:11:26 2012 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1204628380.2097610.1337350286619.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Ty, Great about the bar. I can drink your booze out of bronze guides? ----- Original Message ----- From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com To: "Bob Kramer" Cc: "robert bownes" , "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:59:51 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and all hills. Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze guides. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount > of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >> >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >> >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >>> wind direction and the grade. >>> >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > the >>> posted speed limit is. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From starr001 at umn.edu Fri May 18 08:25:00 2012 From: starr001 at umn.edu (Patrick Starr) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 09:25:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Towing MPG Message-ID: <97A5CEFE-523D-4433-A4B0-9315BDC0E049@umn.edu> >From the light weight end of tow vehicle spectrum, we use a 2004 Toyota Sienna Van towing the 1958 Morgan +4 on a single axle trailer, and averaged 19 mpg from Minneapolis to Road Atlanta and back. The Morgan and trailer weigh about 2900 lb., and speed goes down up the steep hills. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri May 18 08:25:08 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 07:25:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing In-Reply-To: <8CF025F0C840659-23FC-1310E@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF025F0C840659-23FC-1310E@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4FB65BC4.4070900@comcast.net> 2004 Winnebago Class A motorhome with the 8.1 liter Chevy gas engine. Trailer is a 20 ft. enclosed Pace for the Spitfire. Combined weight is around 21k lbs. I drive around 60 on the freeways. Average 9.3 when not towing, 8.3 when flat towing my Subaru Forester and 7.3 when towing the Pace. Except in North Dakota where you are fighting a head wind no matter which way you're going and then the mileage hovers between 5-6. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri May 18 10:26:08 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:26:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed In-Reply-To: <1660579348.10639.1337357753132.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <320386104.11096.1337358368466.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Does anyone know a source in the US for Superlite brand of wheels. ( just like the panasports ). I sent an inquiry to the manufacturer in the UK with no response and Viki-Brit shows a wheel that looks exactly like the superlite but they couldn't tell me who manufactures them. Thanks for any feedback, jim g. From kaskas at cox.net Fri May 18 11:23:13 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:23:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <1204628380.2097610.1337350286619.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: , <1204628380.2097610.1337350286619.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: I found that if I draft upbehind one of these car trailers at speed I can empty the trash and have it sucked right into their air vent while getting my 26.7 MPG. Enough? Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:11:26 -0400 > From: cofrog at q.com > To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > CC: bownes at seiri.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Ty, > > Great about the bar. I can drink your booze out of bronze guides? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > To: "Bob Kramer" > Cc: "robert bownes" , "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:59:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and all > hills. Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze guides. > > Ty > > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > > On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair > amount > > of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > > with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > > > >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless > of > >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with > the > >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. > >> > >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> > >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck > >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and > >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on > >>> wind direction and the grade. > >>> > >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to > >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > > the > >>> posted speed limit is. > >>> > >>> Joe C. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From chasgee at aol.com Fri May 18 15:18:28 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com><21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com><6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD with the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and all my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its own. I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer To: robert bownes Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a 1500 to see how well it holds up. I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck > open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and > tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on > wind direction and the grade. > > It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to > Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever he > posted speed limit is. > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri May 18 15:39:40 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 21:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2006030401.22990.1337377180229.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> They do look very much the same but I have six of the superlites with charcoal colored centers. VTO doesn't offer the color. I'm trying to put together two full sets r ain & dry's with spares. If I have to I could get the VTO's powdercoated to match. I'm still hoping to find some NOS superlites. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 3:03:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed www.vtoperformance.com they used to be superlite and now they are VTO performance. No idea why. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 18 May 2012 toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Does anyone know a source in the US for Superlite brand of wheels. ( just like the panasports ). > > I sent an inquiry to the manufacturer in the UK with no response and Viki-Brit shows a wheel > > that looks exactly like the superlite but they couldn't tell me who manufactures them. > > > > Thanks for any feedback, > > jim g. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang at isis.mit.edu From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri May 18 15:45:28 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 21:45:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1001325525.23172.1337377528654.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> It's funny you say that Kas, I drafted a semi in a head wind for 60 miles on the way back from Hastings last fall andB I could reduce throttle B enough to get me out of the secondaries. My little Winnie has the aero coeffi ciant of a cinder block. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: cofrog at q.com, tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Cc: bownes at seiri.com, "fot" Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:23:13 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... I found that if I draft upbehind one of these car trailers at speed I can empty the trash and have it sucked right into their air vent while getting my 26.7 MPG. Enough? Never be beaten by equipment B > Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:11:26 -0400 > From: cofrog at q.com > To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > CC: bownes at seiri.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Ty, > > Great about the bar. B I can drink your booze out of bronze guides? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > To: "Bob Kramer" > Cc: "robert bownes" , "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:59:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. B 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and all > hills. B Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze guides. > > Ty > > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > > On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair > amount > > of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > > with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > > > >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless > of > >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with > the > >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. > >> > >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> > >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck > >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and > >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on > >>> wind direction and the grade. > >>> > >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to > >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > > the > >>> posted speed limit is. > >>> > >>> Joe C. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri May 18 15:59:03 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:59:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <1204628380.2097610.1337350286619.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <04199901-B018-4688-A202-979389A28CBD@gdhs.com> Well, if we really raced our cars like a good number of those in the 50's did, we would drive the car to the track & home after the race and all would get mileage in the 20's......... Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2012, at 1:23 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > I found that if I draft upbehind one of these car trailers at speed I can > empty the trash and have it sucked right into their air vent while getting my > 26.7 MPG. Enough? > > Never be beaten by equipment >> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:11:26 -0400 >> From: cofrog at q.com >> To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com >> CC: bownes at seiri.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... >> >> Ty, >> >> Great about the bar. I can drink your booze out of bronze guides? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com >> To: "Bob Kramer" >> Cc: "robert bownes" , "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" > >> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:59:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... >> >> 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and > all >> hills. Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze > guides. >> >> Ty >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> (Please excuse any errors or typos) >> >> On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: >> >>> My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair >> amount >>> of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old > 1500 >>> with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: >>> >>>> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >>>> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless >> of >>>> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >>>> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with >> the >>>> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at > them >>>> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >>>> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >>>> >>>> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >>>> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >>>> >>>>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double > deck >>>>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear > and >>>>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely > on >>>>> wind direction and the grade. >>>>> >>>>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>>>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever >>> the >>>>> posted speed limit is. >>>>> >>>>> Joe C. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri May 18 17:38:28 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:38:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed In-Reply-To: <320386104.11096.1337358368466.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <320386104.11096.1337358368466.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Jim - The US distributor is in Arizona somewhere. They are selling on Ebay often. On May 18, 2012, at 11:26 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Does anyone know a source in the US for Superlite brand of wheels. ( just like the panasports ). > > I sent an inquiry to the manufacturer in the UK with no response and Viki-Brit shows a wheel > > that looks exactly like the superlite but they couldn't tell me who manufactures them. > > > > Thanks for any feedback, > > jim g. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri May 18 17:43:02 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:43:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Do you tow in overdrive? I get 9mpg with my 97 Tahoe pulling an enclosed trailer - in third gear. D On May 18, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: > Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD with > the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. > > I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and all > my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its own. > > I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer > To: robert bownes > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount > f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > Sent from my iPhone > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of > the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the > 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > 1500 to see how well it holds up. > > I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >> wind direction and the grade. >> >> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > he >> posted speed limit is. >> >> Joe C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From chasgee at aol.com Fri May 18 17:44:23 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:44:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <61F8E2EF-9EB6-4109-9283-0CC6A334C32F@aol.com> Yes. On May 18, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Dennis Delap wrote: > Do you tow in overdrive? > I get 9mpg with my 97 Tahoe pulling an enclosed trailer - in third gear. > D > > On May 18, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: > >> Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD with >> the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. >> >> I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and all >> my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its own. >> >> I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob Kramer >> To: robert bownes >> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >> Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... >> >> >> My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount >> f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 >> ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. >> Sent from my iPhone >> On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: >>> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >> >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >> >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >>> wind direction and the grade. >>> >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever >> he >>> posted speed limit is. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> ______________________________________________ >> ot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >> nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri May 18 17:53:11 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:53:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <61F8E2EF-9EB6-4109-9283-0CC6A334C32F@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> <61F8E2EF-9EB6-4109-9283-0CC6A334C32F@aol.com> Message-ID: Oh - and by the way - I use steel valve guides. On May 18, 2012, at 6:44 PM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > Yes. > > On May 18, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Dennis Delap wrote: > >> Do you tow in overdrive? >> I get 9mpg with my 97 Tahoe pulling an enclosed trailer - in third gear. >> D >> >> On May 18, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: >> >>> Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD with >>> the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. >>> >>> I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and all >>> my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its own. >>> >>> I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Bob Kramer >>> To: robert bownes >>> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >>> Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... >>> >>> >>> My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount >>> f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 >>> ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: >>>> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >>> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of >>> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >>> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the >>> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them >>> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >>> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >>> >>> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >>> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >>> >>>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >>>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >>>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >>>> wind direction and the grade. >>>> >>>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever >>> he >>>> posted speed limit is. >>>> >>>> Joe C. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >>> ______________________________________________ >>> ot at autox.team.net >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Fri May 18 18:25:48 2012 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed In-Reply-To: <320386104.11096.1337358368466.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1337387148.92869.YahooMailClassic@web111413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Try . Or Phone 866-855-3473 at 6500 E. 6th St., Prescott, AZ 86314. NFI Ken Suhre --- On Fri, 5/18/12, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Subject: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed To: "fot" Date: Friday, May 18, 2012, 11:26 AM Does anyone know a source in the US for Superlite brand of wheels. ( just like the panasports ). I sent an inquiry to the manufacturer in the UK with no response and Viki-Brit shows a wheel that looks exactly like the superlite but they couldn't tell me who manufactures them. Thanks for any feedback, jim g. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com From kaskas at cox.net Fri May 18 19:33:03 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 01:33:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com><21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com><6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com>, , <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: As my friend in Texas tells me "them there cast iron valve guides will get it done.". No dogs or fish or beer required. Never be beaten by equipment > To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com; bownes at seiri.com > From: chasgee at aol.com > Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:18:28 -0400 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD with > the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. > > I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and all > my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its own. > > I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer > To: robert bownes > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount > f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > Sent from my iPhone > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > > My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of > the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the > 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > 1500 to see how well it holds up. > > I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > > > 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck > > open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and > > tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on > > wind direction and the grade. > > > > It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to > > Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > he > > posted speed limit is. > > > > Joe C. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From mark at bradakis.com Fri May 18 21:21:25 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 21:21:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spit Spring tool, forums back! Message-ID: <4FB711B5.7070209@bradakis.com> Spent some time working on the forums. Basic functionality is back. You can look at them, log in and post. Not yet sure if new registrations work, I'll test that soon. The incentive for getting this done was pretty selfish. I wanted to tell folks about an incident yesterday at work: http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=129 One minor nit is that for some reason this post doesn't show up when you click on 'View active topics' but it does show up when you click on 'View new posts' Oh well, I'm sure other problems will crop up as folks make use of it. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri May 18 21:45:11 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 03:45:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... Message-ID: No conversion at the track but I needed 10.3L/100km to Zandvoort race track with a BMW X3 2.5i. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri May 18 22:01:20 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 23:01:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed In-Reply-To: <2006030401.22990.1337377180229.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2006030401.22990.1337377180229.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <622804F1-28A2-4327-B9BC-E0FAF4240178@austin.rr.com> I too bought 6 charcoal Superlites wheels from the former Pack Racing Wheels, and when I went back for 2 more it was then VTOL. I was able to special order two charcoal wheels from them. Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2012, at 4:39 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > They do look very much the same but I have six of the superlites with > > charcoal colored centers. VTO doesn't offer the color. > > I'm trying to put together two full sets r ain & dry's with spares. > > If I have to I could get the VTO's powdercoated to match. > > I'm still hoping to find some NOS superlites. > > jg > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 3:03:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed > > > > www.vtoperformance.com > > > they used to be superlite and now they are VTO performance. > > No idea why. > > rml > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for > rent > Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | > Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: > 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Fri, 18 May 2012 toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > >> Does anyone know a source in the US for Superlite brand of wheels. ( just > like the panasports ). >> >> I sent an inquiry to the manufacturer in the UK with no response and > Viki-Brit shows a wheel >> >> that looks exactly like the superlite but they couldn't tell me who > manufactures them. >> >> >> >> Thanks for any feedback, >> >> jim g. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang at isis.mit.edu > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat May 19 08:31:59 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 10:31:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Thanks Message-ID: <01ab01cd35cc$26e56220$74b02660$@net> Joe, Yesterday afternoon at work, I blocked-out time for the dreariest of architectural tasks; writing Specifications. In my trade: no drawing = no fun. The day was resigned to professional atonement; a sort of business purgatory. But I made one mistake. I checked the mail first. In it was your package of rocker shaft do-dads.. and Kas's TRIUMPHS! I presume I don't need to tell you where the afternoon went from there. TRIUMPHS, I couldn't put down. What an incredible combination of high technology, auto lore, personalities and good ole-fashioned sound advice. Being terminally right brained, all the great photographs kept my nose right in it. And, of course, Kas's writing style makes you wonder why his mantra isn't "Never beaten by Elocution." The Mitty was terrific! You are living proof of how much extra work it takes to run an unstructured organization. Thanks from all us FOTers for all the (mostly invisible) work you do for our un-club. Clumsily paraphrased, "Seldom in the field of amateur competition, have so many owed so much to so few (specifically, you & Uncle Jack)." But especially, thank you for the package yesterday. You're a great friend, Richard Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sat May 19 10:04:47 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 17:04:47 +0100 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <02EA051A-A60F-4469-8995-41E646CA197C@virgin.net> My overdrive works on all 4 forward ! Sent from my iPhone On 19 May 2012, at 00:43, Dennis Delap wrote: > Do you tow in overdrive? > I get 9mpg with my 97 Tahoe pulling an enclosed trailer - in third gear. > D > > On May 18, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: > >> Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD > with >> the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. >> >> I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and > all >> my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its > own. >> >> I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob Kramer >> To: robert bownes >> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >> Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... >> >> >> My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair > amount >> f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 >> ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. >> Sent from my iPhone >> On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: >>> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >> >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >> >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >>> wind direction and the grade. >>> >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever >> he >>> posted speed limit is. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> ______________________________________________ >> ot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >> nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From stocktontr4 at gmail.com Sat May 19 16:27:48 2012 From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com (dick stockton) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 18:27:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2010 Watkins Glen in-car Message-ID: Here is video from my car at Watkins Glen battling with my old friend Bob Leitzinger and his Datsun 510. Keep an eye on the mirror. Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjLMkZLJoyA Dick From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat May 19 20:09:27 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 22:09:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2010 Watkins Glen in-car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C52FEB4-40F5-4C14-8300-507D03263408@gdhs.com> I was there and watched the race from Ceasar's cam. Good fun. Convinced me to jump in the Frey with a TR 3A the next year..... Sent from my iPhone On May 19, 2012, at 6:27 PM, dick stockton wrote: > Here is video from my car at Watkins Glen battling with my old friend Bob > Leitzinger and his Datsun 510. Keep an eye on the mirror. Enjoy. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjLMkZLJoyA > > Dick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From igofaster at att.net Sun May 20 08:14:55 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 07:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <1337523295.46447.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bill.... I was parked around the other side of your group with my GT6... I too have a van... 2005 Ford E250 with the 5.4 ltr Triton engine...(only 73000 miles) I only got about 9.5 mpg with my 18' enclosed trailer with the GT6 and all my gear in tow... I've had a van since high school... and hair... 40 something years, always a Ford Van.. The advantages of an enclosed vehicle, versus a pickup , even with a camper, far out weigh any other vehicle for me... my van has no windows except the front doors and windscreen... privacy is an advantage... coming back to Texas early I could not find a hotel in Louisiana in two different towns... so... I found a WalMart near the Interstate with some other motor homes in the lot... pulled over, threw down a couple of blankets and pillows in the back (and my Glock, jus sayin') and went beddie bye.... the Black Ops van looks cool too although I don't have the drag pipes you and tours were sportin' to wake up the kids!..... Bobby Whitehead Vans Rock! ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 5:48:56 PM Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From cartravel at pobox.com Sun May 20 09:05:30 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 10:05:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas Manual Message-ID: <4FB9083A.2030607@pobox.com> I've read some interesting comments about a Tuning Manual by Gareth Thomas. Are copies available somewhere? Has anyone read it? Is it worthwhile? Larry From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sun May 20 14:35:15 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 13:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <1337523295.46447.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <1337523295.46447.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1337546115.8395.YahooMailNeo@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I guess I'll chime in. We tow with a 2010 GMC 3500 conversion van with a 6L and 6 speed auto/manual and 3:42 diff. It is pretty heavy with the handicap ramp and equipment but gets 17 mpg hwy and 11 towing the pace 22 footer and no problem holding speeds running through mountains... Steel guides. Mike Munson ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... Bill.... I was parked around the other side of your group with my GT6... I too have a van... 2005 Ford E250 with the 5.4 ltr Triton engine...(only 73000 miles) I only got about 9.5 mpg with my 18' enclosed trailer with the GT6 and all my gear in tow... I've had a van since high school... and hair... 40 something years, always a Ford Van.. The advantages of an enclosed vehicle, versus a pickup , even with a camper, far out weigh any other vehicle for me... my van has no windows except the front doors and windscreen... privacy is an advantage... coming back to Texas early I could not find a hotel in Louisiana in two different towns... so... I found a WalMart near the Interstate with some other motor homes in the lot... pulled over, threw down a couple of blankets and pillows in the back (and my Glock, jus sayin') and went beddie bye.... the Black Ops van looks cool too although I don't have the drag pipes you and tours were sportin' to wake up the kids!..... Bobby Whitehead Vans Rock! ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 5:48:56 PM Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sun May 20 17:22:03 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 19:22:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <1337523295.46447.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <1337523295.46447.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Beleive me, after crossing the US 3times a year for 10 years with my 250cc MC road racer in a series of Ford vans with headers & glass packs, you don't want drag pipes! Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Bill.... I was parked around the other side of your group with my GT6... I too > have a van... 2005 Ford E250 with the 5.4 ltr Triton engine...(only 73000 miles) > I only got about 9.5 mpg with my 18' enclosed trailer with the GT6 and all my > gear in tow... I've had a van since high school... and hair... 40 something > years, always a Ford Van.. > The advantages of an enclosed vehicle, versus a pickup , even with a camper, far > out weigh any other vehicle for me... my van has no windows except the front > doors and windscreen... privacy is an advantage... coming back to Texas early I > could not find a hotel in Louisiana in two different towns... so... I found a > WalMart near the Interstate with some other motor homes in the lot... pulled > over, threw down a couple of blankets and pillows in the back (and my Glock, jus > sayin') and went beddie bye.... the Black Ops van looks cool too although I > don't have the drag pipes you and tours were sportin' to wake up the kids!..... > > Bobby Whitehead > Vans Rock! > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "BillDentin at aol.com" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 5:48:56 PM > Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those > grades > > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sun May 20 20:01:10 2012 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:01:10 +1000 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing. Message-ID: we tow with a 2007 Toyota Hilux 4 cyl diesel, we have a fully enclosed trailer with car & spares weighing 2000-2400kg depending on what car we have on board and what spares we load. we get 8.5 litres/100km unloaded mixed use (no trailer) and it drops to around 12litres/100km towing the trailer, so about 20MPG. cruises at 110kph on good highway, when towing. Terry O'Beirne Road and Track 66 Pine Mountain Road North Ipswich, 4305 Queensland, AUSTRALIA ph 07-32018866 fax 07-32017079 www.roadandtrack.net.au From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon May 21 00:09:34 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 23:09:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire air filters Message-ID: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> Any recommendations on air filters for a 1300 Spit with dual SU's? I've been running K&N's, but the backing plates have cracked severely after about 5 seasons of racing. I've been looking at the Longflo units sold by VB. Thanks in advance - Jim Norlin From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 21 00:53:21 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 00:53:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire air filters In-Reply-To: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FB9E661.5020008@bradakis.com> Too bad the archives aren't working properly, or I'd suggest you check out the recent K&N discussion on the Triumphs list. I've never been terribly impressed by anything Vicky Brit sells. Years back I knew TWM induction had various sizes of backing plates and filters for SU carbs, have no idea what they have now that they are Borla. mjb. From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net Mon May 21 08:33:28 2012 From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire air filters In-Reply-To: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, With velocity stacks not much room for a filter unless you are running the really short stacks, or no inner fenders. I'm using 1/4" wire screen wrapped around the lip of the horn to secure. Topped with air conditioner foam filter material (ace hardware) secured with aluminum tape. I'm sure it only keeps out the big particles, but better than open stacks. Photo attached. I run the shop vac over the foam between race weekends. Has worked fine for a couple years. Tim ________________________________ From: Jim Norlin To: FOT Sent: Mon, May 21, 2012 7:09:17 AM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire air filters Any recommendations on air filters for a 1300 Spit with dual SU's? I've been running K&N's, but the backing plates have cracked severely after about 5 seasons of racing. I've been looking at the Longflo units sold by VB. Thanks in advance - Jim Norlin _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/1964spitfire at pacbell.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_7518.JPG] From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon May 21 08:47:27 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 10:47:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Clutch not working after Winter storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not race related but definitely Triumph. This weekend we were getting my son's 72 MK4 Spit out of storage from the winter. The car was running fine before we parked it in a shed in November. Went through the usual check it out routine, started up OK. When he put it gear, luckily reverse, it jumped right in, clutch not disengaging. I poked around a bit I and while the clutch master cylinder was full, the fluid was black. I figured we lost a seal and since the master was of unknown age and condition we changed it and the slave (same reason). Bled the system well and confirmed the the actuator rod / Throw out bearing arm was moving (at least 1/2 inch looking around slave into bell housing) when he pressed the pedal. The clutch is still not disengaging. We jacked up the car and confirmed that it's staying engaged. Tried rocking the wheels back and forth, see is somehow the disk could be broken free but nothing. Guess I need to pull the tranny and take a look, but next few weekends are races, won't be home and I'd like my son to have use of his toy. If this is something I can fix externally I'd like to give it a try. Anyone have an idea what could seize up like this in 4 months of dry storage? The flywheel was surfaced last year after the engine rebuild, the throw out bearing, pressure plate and disk were changed then too, maybe 1000 miles since then. Rust on the tranny shaft, broken hinge side pin for throw out arm? thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth From tjwakeman at gmail.com Mon May 21 08:52:05 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:52:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire air filters In-Reply-To: <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> Have you thought about itg filters and short stacks? http://www.itgairfilters.com/raceair.asp itg makes filters specifically for Spits plus they have a variety of shapes & sizes. I have their dome shaped one on my TR3 with DCOEs. There is almost no space for a filter for the front venturi but the dome itg filter fits. Air conditioner filters & shop vac filters? At least check out their offerings for Spitfires. Unless of course your thing is to have vacuum cleaner filters on the intake of your carbs & "Mity Vac" written on the side ;) Teriann On 5/21/12 7:33 AM, Tim Pettenati wrote: > Jim, > > With velocity stacks not much room for a filter unless you are running > the > really short stacks, or no inner fenders. > > I'm using 1/4" wire screen > wrapped around the lip of the horn to secure. Topped > with air conditioner > foam filter material (ace hardware) secured with aluminum > tape. I'm sure it > only keeps out the big particles, but better than open > stacks. > > Photo > attached. > > I run the shop vac over the foam between race weekends. Has worked > fine for a > couple years. > > Tim From tjwakeman at gmail.com Mon May 21 09:04:49 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:04:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Clutch not working after Winter storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FBA5991.6050807@gmail.com> On 5/21/12 7:47 AM, George Harmuth wrote: > Not race related but definitely Triumph. This weekend we were getting my > son's 72 MK4 Spit out of storage from the winter. The car was running fine > before we parked it in a shed in November. Went through the usual check it > out routine, started up OK. When he put it gear, luckily reverse, it jumped > right in, clutch not disengaging. I poked around a bit I and while the > clutch master cylinder was full, the fluid was black. I figured we lost a > seal and since the master was of unknown age and condition we changed it > and the slave (same reason). Bled the system well and confirmed the the > actuator rod / Throw out bearing arm was moving (at least 1/2 inch looking > around slave into bell housing) when he pressed the pedal. The clutch is > still not disengaging. We jacked up the car and confirmed that it's staying > engaged. Tried rocking the wheels back and forth, see is somehow the disk > could be broken free but nothing. Black brake fluid & only a half inch of rod movement doesn't sound good but it could be a problem I saw in my old Ford tractor when it sat too long in moist weather. Sometimes the flywheel & clutch disc stick together when sitting unused for a few months. If you have the space start the car in gear and once it is going push in the clutch and hit the brakes hard. If it is a disc stuck to the flywheel one or two tries of this and the bond should break loose. Teriann From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 21 09:05:58 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 17:05:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brake bias.... In-Reply-To: <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301cd3763$3c9b8ed0$b5d2ac70$@com> Hi, I've found out what went wrong with the brakes. The sand of Zandvoort blocked my adjustment system for brake bias. I would have set the brakes 1 turn to the rear for a dry race. Because it was blocked it was set 3 turns to the rear making the rear end locked at the corner where I ended up. The car did first time lock the rear at Scheivlak corner but I didn't noticed it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCaWAKRZND0 Cheers Chris From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon May 21 09:20:59 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 11:20:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 51-air filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was using the VB filters on street and race car for years. The VB foam element, even with frequent cleaning, is fairly restrictive. When I was in a situation and I was close to another car I'd pull the elements and just run with the screens to keep the bigger bits out. Last year I switched to K&Ns with short APT billet velocity stacks inside. It was during a double race weekend in NJ. Saturday was run with the old VB foam cleaners and Sunday with the Kns. I was faster (qualified 3/4 second faster, confirmed with T&S) on Sunday and the response felt better. Day to day conditions were similar, hot and dry, but not identical. Overall I'm happy with the change but the design of the K&Ns make it harder pop the covers and work on the carbs. my 2 cents G. Michael Harmuth From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Mon May 21 09:35:32 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:35:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Clutch not working after Winter storage In-Reply-To: <4FBA5991.6050807@gmail.com> References: <4FBA5991.6050807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <145401cd3767$5c55d2e0$0601a8c0@randall> > If you have the space start the car in gear and once it is > going push in > the clutch and hit the brakes hard. Another approach is to just drive the car a bit with the pedal held down. Shut the engine off to switch between 1st & reverse. Last time I had a stuck clutch, I only made it to the end of the (short) driveway before it freed up. -- Randall From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon May 21 15:57:24 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 16:57:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Towing MPG In-Reply-To: <97A5CEFE-523D-4433-A4B0-9315BDC0E049@umn.edu> References: <97A5CEFE-523D-4433-A4B0-9315BDC0E049@umn.edu> Message-ID: <74B52C53-2541-4A19-82E4-240AFE0BFF2E@gmail.com> I checked the Tundra's mpg (5.7 liter gasoline) again pulling the '52 Plus 4 on an Aluma flatbed (single axle) this past weekend (CVAR races at Eagles Canyon). 17.5 mpg on the way up, 14.6 mpg on the way home (5 hours each way), 70 mph most of the way. Nice tailwind on the way up = bad headwind on the way home... :-( Trailer with car is under 2500 lbs. Duncan On May 18, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Patrick Starr wrote: > From the light weight end of tow vehicle spectrum, we use a 2004 Toyota Sienna > Van towing the 1958 > Morgan +4 on a single axle trailer, and averaged 19 mpg from Minneapolis to > Road Atlanta and back. > The Morgan and trailer weigh about 2900 lb., and speed goes down up the steep > hills. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon May 21 16:49:07 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 18:49:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Towing mpg Message-ID: Hi Gang. I tow with an '11 Dodge Ram 1500 pickup, with a cap on it. My trailer is a 20 foot Mission, all aluminum. Weighs about 2500 empty. I usually get 10+ towing. It's the 5.7 Hemi, and will tow about as fast as you care to go. It's also my daily driver and gets around 15 just driving around, and 20 on the highway with the cruise set at 73. The cap is nice; I put spares in it when going to a race and sleep in it if I'm just spectating somewhere. I did the Jefferson 500 over the weekend. A fair amount of Triumphs there, including Scott Jansen who did a great job with the GT6. Nice car. Peter Brock was the Grand Marshall and gave a great speech at the dinner Sat evening. He also autographed my dash; also got my picture taken with him. Nice fellow Cheers, Bill From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 21 17:13:55 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 19:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Towing MPG In-Reply-To: <74B52C53-2541-4A19-82E4-240AFE0BFF2E@gmail.com> References: <97A5CEFE-523D-4433-A4B0-9315BDC0E049@umn.edu> <74B52C53-2541-4A19-82E4-240AFE0BFF2E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CF05BE86ECEDCF-B4C-3D3C7@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Aluma TRAILER made in Iowa? I was going approach them about building to my spec. I ended up with trailer built to my spec locally. It ended up heavier than it needed to be. Aluminum single axle nice way to go. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: FOT Sent: Mon, May 21, 2012 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing MPG I checked the Tundra's mpg (5.7 liter gasoline) again pulling the '52 Plus 4 on an Aluma flatbed (single axle) this past weekend (CVAR races at Eagles Canyon). 17.5 mpg on the way up, 14.6 mpg on the way home (5 hours each way), 70 mph most of the way. Nice tailwind on the way up = bad headwind on the way home... :-( Trailer with car is under 2500 lbs. Duncan On May 18, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Patrick Starr wrote: > From the light weight end of tow vehicle spectrum, we use a 2004 Toyota Sienna > Van towing the 1958 > Morgan +4 on a single axle trailer, and averaged 19 mpg from Minneapolis to > Road Atlanta and back. > The Morgan and trailer weigh about 2900 lb., and speed goes down up the steep > hills. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon May 21 18:14:34 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 19:14:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Towing MPG References: <13346A15-0F15-4961-A80C-71F709E2677F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <67CCC2AA-8015-4BDC-9237-C9C045B4F613@gmail.com> Yes, that's them. There are two dealers I checked out, one in Baytown, TX and the other in New Braunfels, TX, closer and a bit less expensive. They sell a trailer with a 63" X 10' foot deck which weighs only 365 lbs including an attached full-width ramp (model 6310) -- but it's lightly built (with 13" wheels, front "bumper" is sheet aluminum stock) so I went with the heavy duty model at a larger size -- the 6812H (68" X 12' deck) with a folding full-width ramp. I has square aluminum tubing as a bumper bar along the front. Before I mounted the spare 14" wheel and bracket it weighed 510 lbs. It has a 3000 lb capacity axle under it and I can easily maneuver it around the yard by hand. I put about $2750 into it total. It's this model: http://tinyurl.com/cuqf7az I felt I needed to add some decent tie-downs so I drilled through the side rails near the back and added D-rings with the mounting bolts passing through some chrome moly tubing to avoid crushing the side rails, and then used a tow ring from some GM vehicle, mounted similarly through the front rail. I put a steel caribineer through this ring to hold a strap to the front of the car and the ratchet the rear corners to the D rings. I do have to jack up the front of the trailer and put some wedge chocks under the rear of the ramp to avoid dragging the underside of the car when loading. Duncan > > On May 21, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> Aluma TRAILER made in Iowa? >> >> I was going approach them about building to my spec. >> >> I ended up with trailer built to my spec locally. It ended up heavier than it needed to be. >> >> Aluminum single axle nice way to go. >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon May 21 19:50:05 2012 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 20:50:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: <000001cd37bd$35e52a10$a1af7e30$@rr.com> We got between 10 and 14 mpg in Alison's 2001 4x4 suburban towing the 18' dual axle trailer with the TR3. We just turned past 183,000 on this trip. About 4200# on the hook and another 1000# inside. When we were chasing the Bobs at 85mph, we were getting 10 mpg, when we were leading at 75, we were getting 14mpg. I always tow with trailer brakes but still I am constantly replacing rotors and pads on the front and rear. Chevy cheaped out on the brake package. Don't even get me started about the parking brake design. Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 5:08 PM To: robert bownes Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much > regardless of the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or > the FV. It slows down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest > complaint, both with the > 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at > them cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension > under a > 1500 to see how well it holds up. > > I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs > at least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double >> deck open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of >> gear and tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending >> entirely on wind direction and the grade. >> >> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain >> to Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at >> whatever the >> posted speed limit is. >> >> Joe C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/5014 - Release Date: 05/21/12 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon May 21 20:22:47 2012 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 21:22:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Pit Scooter Message-ID: <66904A44-FDE8-44BD-8E48-2B5C0FEAABBD@wi.rr.com> FoT, Anybody need a vintage 1966 Vespa as a pit vehicle? Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon May 21 21:40:45 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 20:40:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Wiring Message-ID: <4FBB0ABD.4050208@comcast.net> So, I'm in the process of rewiring the Spit. I mentioned this at the local Triumph club gathering the other nite and someone asked me how much of the wiring on the race car was still stock. I had to think for a moment, and then said - um - the tail lights. From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 21 22:43:13 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 22:43:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wiring In-Reply-To: <4FBB0ABD.4050208@comcast.net> References: <4FBB0ABD.4050208@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FBB1961.1040900@bradakis.com> One of the race Spits I purchased a while back [ The one in my facebook cover ] had an issue with the wiring. EVERY single wire on it was yellow. It didn't take long for me to rip it all out and redo it in color coded circuits. MUCH easier to track down gremlins. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 21 23:17:57 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 23:17:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire In-Reply-To: <4FB3FAA4020000B60005D1CE@mail.vbisd.org> References: <4FB3FAA3020000B60005D1CB@mail.vbisd.org> <4FB3FAA4020000B60005D1CE@mail.vbisd.org> <4FB3FAA4020000B60005D1CE@mail.vbisd.org> Message-ID: <4FBB2185.9090003@bradakis.com> Do you have Kastner's series of recent books? mjb. From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue May 22 00:25:00 2012 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 01:25:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wiring References: <4FBB0ABD.4050208@comcast.net> Message-ID: Heh, heh, not even the taillights here. Mine's wired up so I have four taillights, including what were the turn signals. Nice when one or two burn out so I still have a couple. Although last time that happened (none of the four would stay lit) we flogged inside the trunk seems like hours trying to make them work. I only got on the track by the grace of a grid chief and a pit steward who thought they saw a flash. The culprit turned out to be not in the trunk, but something that WAS still stock, the button under the brake pedal. So I bought a new one from Victoria British, cheap plastic thing (the original was in a sturdy metal case) that broke when the brake pedal slipped while trying to install it. A second one was installed, but when I stepped on the brake and let it snap back that one broke too. Got the third one to stay together but didn't trust it. It was someone on this list suggested a Honda unit, which I got -- aha, sturdy metal case -- and it's all worked fine ever since. Speaking of Vicky Brit, just had another encounter with them. Just put new GT6 corners on the car but the rebuilt brake calipers didn't come with pins to hold the brake pads in place (Ted S. found and sent me three but of course I need four; and I decided I wanted all four the right size when I bedded new pads), so I ordered up the set from VB. So what they send are Ford/Fiat parts, which would've worked except they were the wrong size -- 3/16" packaged under the part number that was correct for the 1/4" units I needed. And more, at the discounted price of $9.95 plus shipping of $7.75. Silly me to think the place closest to me (we're both in Kansas) would get them to me quick, but parts ordered online on Sunday that they should've seen Monday morning took 4 days to move 200 miles down I-70 to me, arriving Thursday by UPS. Reordered from the Roadster Factory last Friday. They arrived in Monday's mail, plain ole first class from Pennsylvania, the correct parts at a price of $5.99 and shipping of $4.25. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Norlin" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:40 PM Subject: [Fot] Wiring > So, I'm in the process of rewiring the Spit. I mentioned this at the > local Triumph club gathering the other nite and someone asked me how much > of the wiring on the race car was still stock. I had to think for a > moment, and then said - um - the tail lights. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From mark at bradakis.com Tue May 22 01:29:22 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 01:29:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wiring In-Reply-To: References: <4FBB0ABD.4050208@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FBB4052.30204@bradakis.com> Rocky Entriken wrote: > It was someone on this list suggested a Honda unit, which I got -- aha, sturdy metal case > -- and it's all worked fine ever since. Probably me. I remember after 15 years or so the switch went out on our '87 Civic Si. I removed the broken switch from the Honda, looked at it and hey, this looks familiar... Bought 2 at the dealer, kept on on the shelf until one of my Spits needed it. Kind of like the time I was working on the brakes of my old Datsun 720 pickup. Laid the old pads on the workbench, and there just happened to be some old TR4 pads there as well. That was about the time I started buying 240Z pads because *everybody* had those. mjb. From tr4.tony at virgin.net Tue May 22 01:53:55 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:53:55 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire air filters In-Reply-To: <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> Beware ITG filters with the big foam airboxes ... They catch fire ..... Sent from my iPhone On 21 May 2012, at 15:52, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" wrote: > Have you thought about itg filters and short stacks? > > http://www.itgairfilters.com/raceair.asp > > itg makes filters specifically for Spits plus they have a variety of shapes & sizes. > > I have their dome shaped one on my TR3 with DCOEs. There is almost no space for a filter for the front venturi but the dome itg filter fits. > > Air conditioner filters & shop vac filters? At least check out their offerings for Spitfires. Unless of course your thing is to have vacuum cleaner filters on the intake of your carbs & "Mity Vac" written on the side ;) > > Teriann > > On 5/21/12 7:33 AM, Tim Pettenati wrote: >> Jim, >> >> With velocity stacks not much room for a filter unless you are running >> the >> really short stacks, or no inner fenders. >> >> I'm using 1/4" wire screen >> wrapped around the lip of the horn to secure. Topped >> with air conditioner >> foam filter material (ace hardware) secured with aluminum >> tape. I'm sure it >> only keeps out the big particles, but better than open >> stacks. >> >> Photo >> attached. >> >> I run the shop vac over the foam between race weekends. Has worked >> fine for a >> couple years. >> >> Tim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 22 02:20:06 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:20:06 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort race 2 In-Reply-To: <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> Message-ID: <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> Hi guys, a little video from the weekend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voRy2ZfDhsY&feature=share Cheers Chris From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue May 22 07:20:22 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:20:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ECR race video In-Reply-To: <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> Message-ID: <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and British Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to be finished loading in another hour or so. This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down substantially. Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and the Kramers. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red From 4everglades at comcast.net Tue May 22 07:21:42 2012 From: 4everglades at comcast.net (4everglades at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 13:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid Message-ID: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 22 07:52:01 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:52:01 +0200 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <003e01cd3822$13313d50$3993b7f0$@com> The seals were never compatible with silicone. Maybe they might stand silicone but most manufacturer doesn't test it. Cheers Chris (Who runs ATE blue racing) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von 4everglades at comcast.net Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Mai 2012 15:22 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] silicone brake fluid I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 22 07:56:19 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:56:19 +0200 Subject: [Fot] ECR race video In-Reply-To: <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003f01cd3822$ad37a100$07a6e300$@com> Did you upload uncompressed stuff? Youtube is still converting. I use the MP4 format which runs very smooth on youtube. 30min race takes about 400 MB size. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Duncan Charlton Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Mai 2012 15:20 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] ECR race video Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and British Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to be finished loading in another hour or so. This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down substantially. Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and the Kramers. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Tue May 22 08:02:59 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:02:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> >From what I have seen nearly all of the new built cylinders will carry that warning. I think it's more of an insurance disclaimer since silicone is not DOT approved for use in street cars. I too have used it in my cars and setup many others with silicone and what I have found in the past couple of years is that the seals don't have a sharp enough edge to hold the silicone! As we know this stuff is very slippery and if the seal edge is just slightly rounded the silicone will seep by resulting in loss and a soft pedal. I remember in years gone by that the seals one could buy had rather sharp sealing edges and the seals today are definitely more rounded. It also seems that to buy seals alone from auto parts stores is a thing of the past and not many carry the old box of seals any longer. All you can do now is search for seals that will work. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 4everglades at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:22 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 22 08:11:20 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid....now oil pump. In-Reply-To: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <8CF063BE54D74B9-87C-29B94@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Steve Yott.....were you at the MITTY and we didnt see you? I think several of us now have your special machined oil pump in our cars. I assume they are still available? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Yott To: 4everglades <4everglades at comcast.net>; 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:03 am Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone brake fluid >From what I have seen nearly all of the new built cylinders will carry that warning. I think it's more of an insurance disclaimer since silicone is not DOT approved for use in street cars. I too have used it in my cars and setup many others with silicone and what I have found in the past couple of years is that the seals don't have a sharp enough edge to hold the silicone! As we know this stuff is very slippery and if the seal edge is just slightly rounded the silicone will seep by resulting in loss and a soft pedal. I remember in years gone by that the seals one could buy had rather sharp sealing edges and the seals today are definitely more rounded. It also seems that to buy seals alone from auto parts stores is a thing of the past and not many carry the old box of seals any longer. All you can do now is search for seals that will work. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 4everglades at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:22 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Tue May 22 08:27:09 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 07:27:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <4FBBA23D.6010108@gmail.com> On 5/22/12 7:02 AM, Steve Yott wrote: > > From what I have seen nearly all of the new built cylinders will carry that > warning. I think it's more of an insurance disclaimer since silicone is not > DOT approved for use in street cars. DOT 5 brake fluid sold in all my local auto parts stores is not approved for use in cars? I had no idea. Teriann DOT 5 Silicone in the TR3 since about 1990. From tr4.tony at virgin.net Tue May 22 08:09:41 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:09:41 +0100 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <015C7588-9305-438D-8E4E-5BD991001CD3@virgin.net> I use Castrol SRF for both brake and clutch and have had a few issues with slave cylinders where the seals are quite square in the bores. Apart from that only a slight seepage that's hardly noticeable and definately no failures so it appears to be the answer. Sent from my iPhone On 22 May 2012, at 14:21, 4everglades at comcast.net wrote: > I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue May 22 09:08:13 2012 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:08:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <015C7588-9305-438D-8E4E-5BD991001CD3@virgin.net> References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, <015C7588-9305-438D-8E4E-5BD991001CD3@virgin.net> Message-ID: I raced my TR3 with the original calipers with Silicone Brake fluid one time. The Brakes on the 3 got real hot on a good day. The silicone was vaporizing to where most corners were "two pumpers" I didn't brake on the cool down lap and came up behind the line of cars pulling into the pits and I was in a panic as I had no brakes, it took about 10 pumps and I did manage to stop without having to scrub off speed on anyone's car. I changed to something else, now my favorite is Valvoline synthetic. Compare the Boiling point numbers between Silicone and anything else, Silicone is quite low. The Army uses silicone in their trucks so that all those sitting in Germany have brakes when the Rusky's attack. Silicone doesn't absorb water so it lasts a long time. I use silicone in my Healey cause when I spill it it doesn't screw up the paint and I don't drive it hard. and that's all I have to say about that. Cheers Henry Morrison From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Tue May 22 09:53:47 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:53:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <15f401cd3833$132d5d00$0601a8c0@randall> > I think it's more of an insurance disclaimer since > silicone is not > DOT approved for use in street cars. I agree about the insurance disclaimer, but not the reason for it. Regardless of DOT approval, brake manufacturers have to test their equipment; and none of them test with DOT 5. Reproduction parts are a particular problem, since the tests were done long ago and no one is going to invest in repeating them now. I also believe there are better choices for the track, eg any "racing" fluid with frequent changes. That said, I've been using DOT 5 on the street for a long time, and I'm very happy with it. My rate of hydraulic problems has dropped dramatically since I started using DOT 5. There have been some reports of seals that were not compatible with DOT 5. IMO they fall in the same category as antifreeze in toothpaste, someone is cheating somewhere. -- Randall From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 22 10:05:43 2012 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:05:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I've seen the same notice and have simply disregarded it. I think the manufacturers have an agreement with the paint manufacturers so they can sell more paint. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 4everglades at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:22 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tlizzard at msn.com Tue May 22 10:26:35 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:26:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: My street TR3 has had silicone in it since it hit the road in about 1982. Never an issue. Now of late many of my customer's cars, particularly US cars from the 50s/60s, which I see a lot of, have been 50/50 with it. Seems I have more troubles with GM products as well. Terry Stetler From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 22 18:28:41 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:28:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <015C7588-9305-438D-8E4E-5BD991001CD3@virgin.net> References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <015C7588-9305-438D-8E4E-5BD991001CD3@virgin.net> Message-ID: <9A27218E-A1D8-471C-B6AA-0017C9EA2F78@gdhs.com> 10-4 on the SFR. The thing to use iny humble opinion though $70 per quart is a bit much Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2012, at 10:09 AM, TR4 Tony wrote: > I use Castrol SRF for both brake and clutch and have had a few issues with > slave cylinders where the seals are quite square in the bores. Apart from that > only a slight seepage that's hardly noticeable and definately no failures so > it appears to be the answer. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 22 May 2012, at 14:21, 4everglades at comcast.net wrote: > >> I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car > and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel > cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel > cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered > a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a > note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer > seals not compatable with silicone? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 22 18:47:12 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:47:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ECR race video In-Reply-To: <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Nice....thanks. By the way, where's the canyon? Looked kind of flat to me Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote: > Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and British > Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to be > finished loading in another hour or so. > > This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I > remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down substantially. > > Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running > strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore > video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and > the Kramers. > > Duncan > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue May 22 19:56:04 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:56:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ECR race video In-Reply-To: References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <82781F9F-59B0-4A7E-83E1-6199087F5A45@gmail.com> Probably the same place that Wichita Falls' falls are... Duncan On May 22, 2012, at 7:47 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Nice....thanks. By the way, where's the canyon? Looked kind of flat to me > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 22, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote: > >> Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and British >> Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to be >> finished loading in another hour or so. >> >> This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I >> remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down substantially. >> >> Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running >> strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore >> video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and >> the Kramers. >> >> Duncan >> 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Tue May 22 21:11:03 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 22:11:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid....now oil pump. In-Reply-To: <8CF063BE54D74B9-87C-29B94@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Joe and all, Well the short story is that I was heading to the MITTY and made it almost through Kentucky but was not feeling well and decided to return to home. Everyone tells me I missed a great time. As far as the oil pumps I am very happy that so many are now running on the road! I have produced over 50 of them so far and from what I have heard all are working well. That is great news which reflects on the wisdom of the machinists I use that came up with the final idea. I am currently out of the custom pump rotors and it will be awhile before I get another batch machined. I really hate to say that the costs will be going up again as I have needed to order rebuild kits to obtain the outer rotors. To have those machined is a very high cost since they would need to be EDM machined. I now order the rebuild kits and use the outer rotor and toss the inners! So I should have another batch ready by the end of summer and I would appreciate anyone wanting a pump to let me know so I can get an idea on the quantity to order. PS: I use bronze valve guides that I machine! I also use a clearance of .002" Just had to get that in!!!!! Steve Yott Silver Lake, WI _____ From: Joe Alexander [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:11 AM To: tr4 at wi.rr.com; 4everglades at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone brake fluid....now oil pump. Thanks Steve Yott.....were you at the MITTY and we didnt see you? I think several of us now have your special machined oil pump in our cars. I assume they are still available? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Yott To: 4everglades <4everglades at comcast.net>; 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:03 am Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone brake fluid >From what I have seen nearly all of the new built cylinders will carry that warning. I think it's more of an insurance disclaimer since silicone is not DOT approved for use in street cars. I too have used it in my cars and setup many others with silicone and what I have found in the past couple of years is that the seals don't have a sharp enough edge to hold the silicone! As we know this stuff is very slippery and if the seal edge is just slightly rounded the silicone will seep by resulting in loss and a soft pedal. I remember in years gone by that the seals one could buy had rather sharp sealing edges and the seals today are definitely more rounded. It also seems that to buy seals alone from auto parts stores is a thing of the past and not many carry the old box of seals any longer. All you can do now is search for seals that will work. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of 4everglades at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:22 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From igofaster at att.net Wed May 23 10:06:44 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 09:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] ECR race video In-Reply-To: <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1337789204.25562.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> HEY Duncan... I'm still an FoT guy... sorry about that beast #10 Valvoline GTA Car in my rented space with you guys... was hoping I could get there about 6:00 a.m. and wake up the cattle....Although Triumph-less I was still there in support.......... Bobby Whitehead onward through the fog.... FoT forever.... ________________________________ From: Duncan Charlton To: FOT Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 8:25:08 AM Subject: [Fot] ECR race video Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and British Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to be finished loading in another hour or so. This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down substantially. Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and the Kramers. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed May 23 12:00:04 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 14:00:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ECR race video In-Reply-To: <1337789204.25562.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> <1337789204.25562.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nice footage and track....camera did a good job is it the GoPro On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > HEY Duncan... I'm still an FoT guy... sorry about that beast #10 Valvoline > GTA > Car in my rented space with you guys... was hoping I could get there about > 6:00 > a.m. and wake up the cattle....Although Triumph-less I was still there in > support.......... > > Bobby Whitehead > onward through the fog.... FoT forever.... > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Duncan Charlton > To: FOT > Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 8:25:08 AM > Subject: [Fot] ECR race video > > Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and > British > Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to > be > finished loading in another hour or so. > > This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I > remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down > substantially. > > Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running > strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore > video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and > the Kramers. > > Duncan > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed May 23 12:36:52 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 13:36:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ECR race video In-Reply-To: References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> <1337789204.25562.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <77016B34-A28E-4CCC-B649-2A120D604FC3@gmail.com> Yes, the GoPro Hero. Duncan On May 23, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Robert Deanes wrote: > Nice footage and track....camera did a good job is it the GoPro From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed May 23 12:47:11 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 13:47:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dumb Question Message-ID: <000001cd3914$76cd2f20$64678d60$@com> You know, I'd had always heard that there were no dumb questions. Apparently however I found one, the question I asked about bronze valve guides. My apologies! Tim From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed May 23 13:54:11 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:54:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dumb Question In-Reply-To: <000001cd3914$76cd2f20$64678d60$@com> References: <000001cd3914$76cd2f20$64678d60$@com> Message-ID: there are no dumb questions.....just Triumphs and owners trying to go and faster...and everybody has an opinion of what works for them and willing to share....that is what makes this great. On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > You know, I'd had always heard that there were no dumb questions. > Apparently however I found one, the question I asked about bronze valve > guides. > > > > My apologies! > > > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From mark at bradakis.com Wed May 23 17:08:59 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 17:08:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Dumb Question In-Reply-To: <000001cd3914$76cd2f20$64678d60$@com> References: <000001cd3914$76cd2f20$64678d60$@com> Message-ID: <4FBD6E0B.4060800@bradakis.com> I've certainly seen some dumb answers on Team.Net over the years! mjb. From triosan at gmail.com Thu May 24 11:41:48 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 10:41:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? Message-ID: Anyone have a 4 speed gear box with the Dolomite Sprint close ratio gear set they care to sell? How about just the gear set? How about just the third gears? Lost 3rd gear in mine last weekend -- darn and it/I were running better than we ever have British Frame and Engine does not even know if they are available; Quantumechanics has them on order for arrival in "a few weeks". Rimmer brothers appears to have something in a gear set at a little over $1000 [too much]. Racestorations sells the whole box, very expensive Do not know of any other vendors [Wishbone Classics?? Anybody have an email contact there?] Thanks, Chuck Arnold From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Thu May 24 15:54:08 2012 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 07:54:08 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Re Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox Message-ID: care! there are 2 different ratio sets. one assumes there is an overdrive to split 3rd and 4th. the other was just a 4 speed. I have all the ratio charts if needed over the past 30 years, i have broken several 3rd gear pairs from these kits and now cyro treat all the gears. I'm down to my last new 3rd gear pair . The Dolomite sprint had a unique (long) input shaft which you have to cut & shorten if you want it in a TR. Expect to pay good money. someone in the UK re-made a batch a few years back, so they wont be cheap. At one time, Moss UK were selling some specially made input shafts made for TR6 with the right ratio to match the close ratio gears. Thankfully, I still have NOS 1970's stuff from when we worked on the race cars so i dont have to bother with dubious quality re-makes. Terry From cartravel at pobox.com Thu May 24 17:08:13 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 18:08:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FBEBF5D.8020202@pobox.com> Could you post these ratios? I'm only aware of the standard TR ratios (that changed slightly a couple of times) and the close ratio dolomite gears. Speaking of Wishbone Classics (interesting name). I had never heard of them until I spoke with Kia a few days ago. I was looking for an Integral Cam grind. He seems like a reasonable guy. Any of you have experience with these guys. Thanks, Larry Young On 5/24/2012 12:41 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > Anyone have a 4 speed gear box with the Dolomite Sprint close ratio gear > set they care to sell? > How about just the gear set? > How about just the third gears? > > Lost 3rd gear in mine last weekend -- darn and it/I were running better > than we ever have > > British Frame and Engine does not even know if they are available; > Quantumechanics has them on order for arrival in "a few weeks". > Rimmer brothers appears to have something in a gear set at a little over > $1000 [too much]. > Racestorations sells the whole box, very expensive > > Do not know of any other vendors [Wishbone Classics?? Anybody have an email > contact there?] > > > Thanks, > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Thu May 24 17:43:04 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 19:43:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] needed: TR6 dimmer (later style) Message-ID: <4FBEC788.4010308@blacksburg.net> Dudes and Dudettes, Does anyone have a later-style TR250 or TR6 dimmer they no longer need? This is the "D"-shaped dimmer, not the early, rheostat-style. It may have been used on Spitlys, too, I'm not certain. TIA jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From kaskas at cox.net Thu May 24 19:32:50 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 01:32:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? In-Reply-To: <4FBEBF5D.8020202@pobox.com> References: , <4FBEBF5D.8020202@pobox.com> Message-ID: There are the Kastner ratios that are listed in one of my books. the factory made probably 50 sets of those gears back in the very early 70's. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 18:08:13 -0500 > From: cartravel at pobox.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? > > Could you post these ratios? I'm only aware of the standard TR ratios > (that changed slightly a couple of times) and the close ratio dolomite > gears. > > Speaking of Wishbone Classics (interesting name). I had never heard of > them until I spoke with Kia a few days ago. I was looking for an > Integral Cam grind. He seems like a reasonable guy. Any of you have > experience with these guys. > Thanks, > Larry Young > > On 5/24/2012 12:41 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > > Anyone have a 4 speed gear box with the Dolomite Sprint close ratio gear > > set they care to sell? > > How about just the gear set? > > How about just the third gears? > > > > Lost 3rd gear in mine last weekend -- darn and it/I were running better > > than we ever have > > > > British Frame and Engine does not even know if they are available; > > Quantumechanics has them on order for arrival in "a few weeks". > > Rimmer brothers appears to have something in a gear set at a little over > > $1000 [too much]. > > Racestorations sells the whole box, very expensive > > > > Do not know of any other vendors [Wishbone Classics?? Anybody have an email > > contact there?] > > > > > > Thanks, > > Chuck Arnold > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From markjwea at msn.com Thu May 24 21:27:40 2012 From: markjwea at msn.com (MARK J WEATHERS) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 04:27:40 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Paging RodKent Message-ID: Rod, please contact me offgroup at mark at excalpm.com Thanks From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu May 24 23:14:33 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 23:14:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] RMVR Spring race video from Saturday Message-ID: This was the first race starting near the back after forgetting my transponder in quali. I was testing a new camera mount and it was a tad low. jim g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnMjuuwZXc8 From atr6racer at hotmail.com Fri May 25 05:20:35 2012 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 07:20:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? In-Reply-To: References: , , <4FBEBF5D.8020202@pobox.com>, Message-ID: I still have one of those original factory boxes that I've kept from the 70's. It's for sale but it ain't cheap! IIRC, 1:88, 1:42, 1:23, 1:00. Sam Halkias > From: kaskas at cox.net > To: cartravel at pobox.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 01:32:50 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? > > There are the Kastner ratios that are listed in one of my books. the factory > made probably 50 sets of those gears back in the very early 70's. > > Never be beaten by equipment > > Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 18:08:13 -0500 > > From: cartravel at pobox.com > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? > > > > Could you post these ratios? I'm only aware of the standard TR ratios > > (that changed slightly a couple of times) and the close ratio dolomite > > gears. > > > > Speaking of Wishbone Classics (interesting name). I had never heard of > > them until I spoke with Kia a few days ago. I was looking for an > > Integral Cam grind. He seems like a reasonable guy. Any of you have > > experience with these guys. > > Thanks, > > Larry Young > > > > On 5/24/2012 12:41 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > > > Anyone have a 4 speed gear box with the Dolomite Sprint close ratio gear > > > set they care to sell? > > > How about just the gear set? > > > How about just the third gears? > > > > > > Lost 3rd gear in mine last weekend -- darn and it/I were running better > > > than we ever have > > > > > > British Frame and Engine does not even know if they are available; > > > Quantumechanics has them on order for arrival in "a few weeks". > > > Rimmer brothers appears to have something in a gear set at a little over > > > $1000 [too much]. > > > Racestorations sells the whole box, very expensive > > > > > > Do not know of any other vendors [Wishbone Classics?? Anybody have an > email > > > contact there?] > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Chuck Arnold > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/atr6racer at hotmail.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat May 26 02:58:27 2012 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 18:58:27 +1000 Subject: [Fot] chasing some TR250-TR6 parts Message-ID: i'm after these few used parts, does anyone have any to sell? front lower shocky dogbone plate. the part that joins the shock to the lower pan left lower trunnion. would really prefer a new genuine one diff front drive flange and the solid spacer that goes behind it distributor micrometer . this is the part that fits in when you dont have a vac advance unit rear brake adjuster wedge 4 rear brake shoes hold down pins top rad hose "T" piece that takes the vac valve (late US market TR6 only I think) kilometer speedo pair of plastic cowls that cover the column switches (dont care if faded, but must be not split) thanks, Terry (australia) From sgroh1 at comcast.net Sat May 26 10:27:57 2012 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 10:27:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Triumphs victorious at Jefferson 500 Message-ID: The Triumph Spitfire of David Gussack scored 2 class victories and one overall victory in the Jefferson 500's Lola Cup at Summit Point while Steve Groh, following an engine rebuild by FoT member Russ Moore, claimed a first and second in class, and a second overall in the Lola Cup. Awesome Triumph showing!!! From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat May 26 16:56:34 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 18:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS @ BRITISH CAR WEEK....anyone else? Message-ID: <8CF09A9EE6BB6B4-1F34-203E6@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com> John is heading east after a little respite for GRACE at MOSS. He called from Tucson moments ago and is en route to see FOT Henry Morrison. Then, by Wednesday, he will be at the BRITISH CAR WEEK at Hot Springs, AR. FOT Tom Chandler and I will be there. Anyone else?? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun May 27 20:52:16 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 22:52:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Transport Message-ID: I purchased a replacement core for the engine I trashed at the Mitty. It is located near Reading PA and I need to get it nearer to Northern Ohio, just a bit South West of Cleveland. Anybody with some extra trailer space going through the Reading PA area to Mid-Ohio next month or PVGP at PIR (Beaver Run) in July. Or any time else.....? Thanks, Marty From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 28 08:58:34 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 08:58:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs Message-ID: Greetings FoT, I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & ignition info. Thanks as always for the input. Jim g. From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 28 10:36:27 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:36:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs In-Reply-To: <20120528152243.578682D01C3@autox.team.net> References: <20120528152243.578682D01C3@autox.team.net> Message-ID: NGK BP7HS, 25 to 30 thou gap. Tony At 09:58 AM 5/28/2012, Jim Gray wrote: >Greetings FoT, > >I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & >ignition info. > >Thanks as always for the input. > >Jim g. From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 28 10:41:34 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 10:41:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs In-Reply-To: <20120528152244.A8F6D2D021C@autox.team.net> References: <20120528152244.A8F6D2D021C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4FC3AABE.4010200@bradakis.com> For points I gap plugs to 25 thou, 35 - 40 for electronic boxes. mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 28 10:49:31 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 12:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs In-Reply-To: <20120528164013.45FEC2D0219@autox.team.net> References: <20120528152243.578682D01C3@autox.team.net> <20120528164013.45FEC2D0219@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CF0B08FCC5F103-1C30-337CA@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> These should be readily available at your NAPA store. The NAPA Store guy told me that is a common plug used in GOLF CARS. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews To: Jim Gray ; fot Sent: Mon, May 28, 2012 11:41 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs NGK BP7HS, 25 to 30 thou gap. Tony At 09:58 AM 5/28/2012, Jim Gray wrote: >Greetings FoT, > >I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & >ignition info. > >Thanks as always for the input. > >Jim g. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon May 28 10:55:13 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 12:55:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs In-Reply-To: <8CF0B08FCC5F103-1C30-337CA@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> References: <20120528152243.578682D01C3@autox.team.net> <20120528164013.45FEC2D0219@autox.team.net> <8CF0B08FCC5F103-1C30-337CA@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6FA83401-9E37-45BB-B050-D0DA0D0FC069@gdhs.com> Our local Advance stores stock the 7's & can have 8's for you the next day. Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2012, at 12:49 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > These should be readily available at your NAPA store. > > The NAPA Store guy told me that is a common plug used in GOLF CARS. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Drews > To: Jim Gray ; fot > Sent: Mon, May 28, 2012 11:41 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs > > > NGK BP7HS, 25 to 30 thou gap. > > Tony > > At 09:58 AM 5/28/2012, Jim Gray wrote: >> Greetings FoT, >> >> I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & >> ignition info. >> >> Thanks as always for the input. >> >> Jim g. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 28 10:51:30 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 10:51:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs Message-ID: Tony, Do you use any type of MSD ignition or enhanced spark ? Thanks, jg -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com] Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 10:36 AM To: Jim Gray; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs NGK BP7HS, 25 to 30 thou gap. Tony At 09:58 AM 5/28/2012, Jim Gray wrote: >Greetings FoT, > >I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & >ignition info. > >Thanks as always for the input. > >Jim g. From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon May 28 11:05:36 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 13:05:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FP Reg Message-ID: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of the slower turns. From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Mon May 28 11:11:58 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:11:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FP Reg In-Reply-To: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> References: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> Message-ID: What carbs are you running? I run a Holley as well. Set it at 3 and it doesn't go up when running. Also running HS6s. I has to go to MGB float bowls so that the floats were oriented front to back and not side to side. That solved my sputtering in the slower turns. Ty Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly > and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when > we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of > the slower turns. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 28 11:22:26 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 12:22:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FP Reg In-Reply-To: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> References: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> Message-ID: After much experimentation, Jack and I ended up with the combination of a Holley Blue fuel pump with the Holley low pressure regulator. A common problem with fuel pressure regulators is that there's not enough pressure differential between input and output to reliably operate the regulator. The Holley Blue puts out 14 psi, and I have it regulated down to a rock solid 2 psi for my webers. https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=2516 https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=1135 With low pressure pumps, we repeatedly had a problem where fuel delivery would shut down at the end of long straights and we'd end up pulling the regulator to make it through the weekend. Having high enough pressure to operate the regulator seems to be key. Tony At 12:05 PM 5/28/2012, John Hasty wrote: >What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly >and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when >we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of >the slower turns. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Mon May 28 12:21:21 2012 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 12:21:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FP Reg In-Reply-To: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> References: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> Message-ID: John, My guess is that for a pressure swing like that there might be a venting problem. Does the fuel cell ever have any pressure when you remove the cap?[it shouldn't]. My cheapo "clicker" type pump has been clicking away a steady and unregulated 2.5psi for many years now - in fact, if I know me, it was probably used when I put it in. My $.02 Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the > 2nd Holly > and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the > track when > we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the > gas out of > the slower turns. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 28 12:22:22 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 18:22:22 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs Message-ID: I use BOSCH Super 4 WR 56. They have a long thread so I have to use a brass spacer. Cheers Chris ------Originalnachricht------ Von: Jim Gray Absender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs Gesendet: 28. Mai 2012 16:58 Greetings FoT, I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & ignition info. Thanks as always for the input. Jim g. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 28 12:26:54 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 18:26:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FP Reg Message-ID: I try to keep it simple. I use a Mitsuba fuel pump, mounted next to the engine. That's all. Cheers Chris ------Originalnachricht------ Von: John Hasty Absender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] FP Reg Gesendet: 28. Mai 2012 19:05 What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of the slower turns. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From triosan at gmail.com Mon May 28 12:27:39 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:27:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] identify transmission Message-ID: I have a 4 speed transmission with J-type OD I purchased on e-bay several years ago. The J-type does not have the same mounts as the car. I am wondering of anybody can identify it through the model numbers on the side of the tranny: 306812WYF E336/R -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Mon May 28 12:39:21 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FP Reg In-Reply-To: References: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <1338230361.85531.YahooMailRC@web180610.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Greg, not to devert from the current discussion but I have a 12 gal. fuel cell from Summit and when sitting it always has pressure when I remove the cap if the day has any kind of warmth at all. Can't say that I've pulled the cap when it is running. I thought that pressure was normal. Would you think that my relief valve is not relieving near enough? Jim ________________________________ From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" To: John Hasty Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Mon, May 28, 2012 11:21:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg John, My guess is that for a pressure swing like that there might be a venting problem. Does the fuel cell ever have any pressure when you remove the cap?[it shouldn't]. My cheapo "clicker" type pump has been clicking away a steady and unregulated 2.5psi for many years now - in fact, if I know me, it was probably used when I put it in. My $.02 Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly > and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when > we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of > the slower turns. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From cofrog at q.com Mon May 28 14:09:30 2012 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 16:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FP Reg In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <916120386.2410105.1338235770582.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> My "cheapo clicker" (Facet Pump?) has done the same. Hope the gods don't kill the poor thing now that I've sounded off. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" To: "John Hasty" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:21:21 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg John, My guess is that for a pressure swing like that there might be a venting problem. Does the fuel cell ever have any pressure when you remove the cap?[it shouldn't]. My cheapo "clicker" type pump has been clicking away a steady and unregulated 2.5psi for many years now - in fact, if I know me, it was probably used when I put it in. My $.02 Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the > 2nd Holly > and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the > track when > we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the > gas out of > the slower turns. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 28 14:43:09 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 14:43:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] identify transmission In-Reply-To: <9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B015966EEB088@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu> References: <9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B015966EEB088@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu> Message-ID: <4FC3E35D.6080107@bradakis.com> Ruffner, James A *HS wrote: > As I recollect, the "J-type" is used on the TR-6 series, and the "A-type" is > on the -3's and-4's. Actually the TR6 was fitted with the J type starting in 1974, I think it was. The fellow who bought my TR250 put a later J type gearbox in it. It involved some surgery to the frame to fab up some mounts that fit, not a simple task. But he did get it working and was happy with it once done. Wish I still had that one - he offered me a chance to buy it back. It was bad timing - I had just lost my job at the U of U and didn't think buying another car at the time would be a wise thing to do. On a different note, Bailey's will be closed this week while Mike does some vacationing in Oregon, so I'll have time to work on stuff, like getting the Team.Net archives working properly again. I know many folks miss that functionality. One thing I have been meaning to do for quite some time is reply to all those who contributed to Team.Net during the fund drive or just because. So be patient, I've only done a handful so far, you may hear from me soon if you've made use of the donate link! mjb. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon May 28 15:28:35 2012 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 14:28:35 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] FP Reg Message-ID: <22960068.1338240516206.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> It should be noted that the car should be running while checking the fuel pressure. At one point, I connected my fuel-pressure gauge to the output of my FP regulator, ran the fuel pump (without starting the car) to see the pressure climb and climb. In other words, it can't be checked properly in a closed-loop system. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: cofrog at q.com >Sent: May 28, 2012 1:09 PM >To: "Greg \\\"Lunker\\\" Hilyer" >Cc: Friends of Triumph >Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg > >My "cheapo clicker" (Facet Pump?) has done the same. Hope the gods don't kill the poor thing now that I've sounded off. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" >To: "John Hasty" >Cc: "Friends of Triumph" >Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:21:21 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg > >John, >My guess is that for a pressure swing like that there might be a >venting problem. Does the fuel cell ever have any pressure when you >remove the cap?[it shouldn't]. >My cheapo "clicker" type pump has been clicking away a steady and >unregulated 2.5psi for many years now - in fact, if I know me, it was >probably used when I put it in. >My $.02 >Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >TR4 #314 >Albuquerque NM >On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > >> What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the >> 2nd Holly >> and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the >> track when >> we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the >> gas out of >> the slower turns. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> lunkercars at earthlink.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon May 28 16:18:15 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 17:18:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs In-Reply-To: <20120528152307.935972D01C3@autox.team.net> References: <20120528152307.935972D01C3@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000101cd3d1f$c7298540$557c8fc0$@com> Spark Plugs - NGK BPR7HS Gap - 0.025 (Moss) Torque - 18 -25 Lb-Ft. (NGK) Use 18 Lb-Ft. This has worked well for us. Tim & Ryan -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Gray Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 9:59 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs Greetings FoT, I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & ignition info. Thanks as always for the input. Jim g. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon May 28 16:18:15 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 17:18:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs In-Reply-To: <20120528152307.935972D01C3@autox.team.net> References: <20120528152307.935972D01C3@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000001cd3d1f$c7035fa0$550a1ee0$@com> Oops, forgot to mention, Lucas distributor and mechanical points and Lucas Sport Coil ignition. I think the "R" in the designation is for a resistor plug. It is what was readily available. Tim & Ryan -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Gray Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 9:59 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs Greetings FoT, I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & ignition info. Thanks as always for the input. Jim g. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon May 28 16:22:09 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 17:22:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FP Reg In-Reply-To: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> References: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <000201cd3d20$526040e0$f720c2a0$@com> Fuel Pressure Regulator - Holley Part No. 12-803 (included with pump) Pressure range 4-1/2 to 9 psi Set to 3-1/4 to 3-1/2 PSI Fuel Pump - Holley "Blue" Part No. 12-802-1 (70 gph at 9 psi, preset pressure 14 psi) Fuel Filter - Fram HPG-1 Carburetors - SU Type H6 This was all at the suggestion of Uncle Jack and Tony when we built the car. The fuel pressure has always been rock solid. I think we may have dropped the pressure to a bit under 3 PSI. I'll have to take a look when I get the engine together and back in the car running. Tim & Ryan -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Hasty Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:06 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] FP Reg What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of the slower turns. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Tue May 29 02:26:52 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 09:26:52 +0100 Subject: [Fot] FP Reg In-Reply-To: <916120386.2410105.1338235770582.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <916120386.2410105.1338235770582.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: I run twin (switchable) facet red top electric pumps and I don't get any such problems. The reason I have two and they are switchable from the dash is that as they wear they tend to 'stick', so I just flip the switch and use the other until I can pull the duff one out. I got 8 years an about 50000 rally miles from the first two ..... So that's the service life of those pumps I suppose. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 28 May 2012, at 21:09, cofrog at q.com wrote: > My "cheapo clicker" (Facet Pump?) has done the same. Hope the gods don't kill the poor thing now that I've sounded off. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" > To: "John Hasty" > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:21:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg > > John, > My guess is that for a pressure swing like that there might be a > venting problem. Does the fuel cell ever have any pressure when you > remove the cap?[it shouldn't]. > My cheapo "clicker" type pump has been clicking away a steady and > unregulated 2.5psi for many years now - in fact, if I know me, it was > probably used when I put it in. > My $.02 > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > >> What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the >> 2nd Holly >> and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the >> track when >> we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the >> gas out of >> the slower turns. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> lunkercars at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From SpiwakD at aol.com Tue May 29 06:34:00 2012 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Race fuel Message-ID: <5570.70d47a84.3cf61c38@aol.com> I use low-lead 100 octane aircraft fuel in my TR3 with 12.5-1 compression. I have never had any problems, but am wondering if I have sufficient octane. If I need more octane, should I make a blend by adding race fuel? From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 29 09:49:43 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 17:49:43 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Race fuel In-Reply-To: <5570.70d47a84.3cf61c38@aol.com> References: <5570.70d47a84.3cf61c38@aol.com> Message-ID: <001801cd3db2$ab626dc0$02274940$@com> I run on lead free pump fuel from 98 to 102 octane. Whatever you can get on the fuel station. Compression is 11.5:1 Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von SpiwakD at aol.com Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Mai 2012 14:34 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Race fuel I use low-lead 100 octane aircraft fuel in my TR3 with 12.5-1 compression. I have never had any problems, but am wondering if I have sufficient octane. If I need more octane, should I make a blend by adding race fuel? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue May 29 08:27:40 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 07:27:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] identify transmission References: Message-ID: Hey Chuck, call me sometime and I'll look at it and show you my mounts. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: "Friends" ; "Triumph" <6pack at autox.team.net>; "TRlist" Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 11:27 AM Subject: [Fot] identify transmission >I have a 4 speed transmission with J-type OD I purchased on e-bay several > years ago. The J-type does not have the same mounts as the car. I am > wondering of anybody can identify it through the model numbers on the side > of the tranny: > 306812WYF E336/R > > -- > Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From cwnfot at gmail.com Tue May 29 13:38:25 2012 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 15:38:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: identify transmission Message-ID: <017001cd3dd2$9e661890$db3249b0$@com> Hope this helps... Clark -----Original Message----- From: Quantum [mailto:john at quantumechanics.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:44 PM To: 'Clark W. Nicholls'; 'John Esposito' Subject: RE: [Fot] identify transmission Gang - Hi there! The 306812 indicates a TR6 case. Look at the left or right side areas where the cross shaft comes out and it should have A CC or CD prefix hand stamped serial number there. What is the serial number on the overdrive unit? That will tell what type it is also. John Esposito Quantum Mechanics Ltd. 315 Riggs Street Building A, Unit 3. Oxford Ct. 06478 Phone 203-463-8299 Fax 203-828-6039 www.quantumechanics.com From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue May 29 13:48:42 2012 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 15:48:42 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Race fuel Message-ID: <25169981.1338320922282.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Dave, I'm not fuels engineer but this topic came up on a FV list a couple of years ago and a fuels engineer posted a long and informative article. The really fundamental piece of info in that note was that the equation for calculatine octane is a made up thing. It is not based on basic units that we all know an love. Farther, he was very specific that the fomula for calculating road car gas octane was not the same as that used for aircraft fuel. Consequently, you can not compare the two and make any real sense out of it. Aircraft engines are relatively low compression ratio machines so their need for anti-knock additives is also pretty low. He also stated that current av-gas "low lead" fuel has more lead in it than car pump gas ever did. I take that at face value and assume he wasnt making stuff up. So....lead content is good for your motor but the octane may not be if you have a bunch of compression. I use it in the FV motors but they have quite low compression. Also, the formulation of the fuel is different in other ways. If you splash some car fuel on the concrete it'll take much longer for it to evaporate than an equivalent amount of av-gas. And, it feels much less oily to the touch. I use it for cleaning stuff that mineral spirits wont touch but that would be harmed by lacquer thinner or acetone..like paint. Mike -----Original Message----- >From: SpiwakD at aol.com >Sent: May 29, 2012 8:34 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Race fuel > >I use low-lead 100 octane aircraft fuel in my TR3 with 12.5-1 compression. >I have never had any problems, but am wondering if I have sufficient >octane. If I need more octane, should I make a blend by adding race fuel? >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue May 29 16:32:54 2012 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 17:32:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Race fuel References: <5570.70d47a84.3cf61c38@aol.com> Message-ID: <0AD9F1167FA1467586B052159D0D3E76@rocky> If it's a race car, use race gas. I used to use 100LL avgas when I had a "low" compression engine built to last several races, when I got up above 12:1 I began using real race gas. Currently I use VP C-12. Essentially equivalent is Sunoco purple. Ask around at your local speed shops to find a retailer, which can be in strange places (my VP retailer is a heavy equipment rental company whose office manager is a circle track guy; local Sunoco retailer is a motorsport machine shop). Nice article at www.vpracingfuels.com/page469659.html -- the top half is why VP is so great, but the bottom half gives some nice tech info on race gas. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:34 AM Subject: [Fot] Race fuel >I use low-lead 100 octane aircraft fuel in my TR3 with 12.5-1 compression. > I have never had any problems, but am wondering if I have sufficient > octane. If I need more octane, should I make a blend by adding race > fuel? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed May 30 12:13:35 2012 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 11:13:35 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers Message-ID: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers to find out their date of manufacture and other info? TS67499E TS66557E ~Steve From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed May 30 12:30:52 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:30:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7D606139-FE0D-4A71-BE64-1DD86FD911DA@gdhs.com> The British Motor Industry Heritage Trust can probably tell you Sent from my iPhone On May 30, 2012, at 2:13 PM, steve wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > TS67499E > > TS66557E > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed May 30 12:42:31 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 11:42:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: We used to see that a lot of engine #'s coincided with the body #, at least we saw this on TR6's and not sure if it holds true on the earlier TR's. It seemed to me that the engine # was about 100 different from the body #. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:13 AM Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers > to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > TS67499E > > TS66557E > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From kaskas at cox.net Wed May 30 16:16:52 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 22:16:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, Message-ID: Don't ever be sure that the block even with the same number is the original. I had a set of stamps that were exactly like the factory original stamps. Never be beaten by equipment > From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com > To: colordog.1 at earthlink.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 11:42:31 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > > We used to see that a lot of engine #'s coincided with the body #, at least > we saw this on TR6's and not sure if it holds true on the earlier TR's. It > seemed to me that the engine # was about 100 different from the body #. > Charly Mitchel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "steve" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:13 AM > Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > > > > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers > > to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > > > TS67499E > > > > TS66557E > > > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From mark at bradakis.com Wed May 30 19:57:16 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 19:57:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, Message-ID: <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> I had a rather early TR6 at one point, CC25064 ( Sorry, AAB guys! ) and the engine number was only off by 8, as I recall, ending in 72. mjb. From rjl at gt-classics.com Wed May 30 20:20:36 2012 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 22:20:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <4FC6D574.1020907@gt-classics.com> Let's see, what color was that TR-6 again, I'm not sure I remember... :-) John On 5/30/2012 9:57 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > I had a rather early TR6 at one point, CC25064 ( Sorry, AAB guys! ) and > the engine number was only off by 8, as I recall, ending in 72. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com > > > > -- Thanks, R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From spitlist at cox.net Wed May 30 20:28:23 2012 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 19:28:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <4175856033D74D40976B2BDF6EB349BF@Vista> The further along in the production sequence, the further off the numbers got. This is because engines were pulled from the warehouse for warranty replacement and dealer spares stock, while commission numbers continued in numerical sequence. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:57 PM To: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers I had a rather early TR6 at one point, CC25064 ( Sorry, AAB guys! ) and the engine number was only off by 8, as I recall, ending in 72. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tlizzard at msn.com Wed May 30 21:13:55 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 23:13:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> <4175856033D74D40976B2BDF6EB349BF@Vista> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> <4175856033D74D40976B2BDF6EB349BF@Vista> Message-ID: Not to mention the several hundred engines sold to TVR over the course of the years. There were in the neighborhood of 350 Vixen 2500s and who knows how many M Types with the TR6 engine. My Vixen is the one car I never should have let slip away... Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Curry To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; 'fot' Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers The further along in the production sequence, the further off the numbers got. This is because engines were pulled from the warehouse for warranty replacement and dealer spares stock, while commission numbers continued in numerical sequence. Joe From tr4.tony at virgin.net Thu May 31 06:11:12 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:11:12 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: TR4 CT serial led engines are normally within 500 of the comm number. BMIHT have the micro fiche records of all the factory builds only and these are by commission number order. To search for an engine you need to go through each record individually .... Takes a while. Engine changes were recorded on the old logbook in the UK, so where old VRO records were distroyed this info is lost. Some VRO's such as Coventry passed records to the Transport Museum so on these forms changes in engine and body and registration mark are shown. So, for some UK cars all the changes can be traced. If you have a system like this in the US then that's how to find the cars for those engines I it can't be done from the UK records. Both those engines look like TR4a from late 66, early 67 Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 30 May 2012, at 19:13, steve wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > TS67499E > > TS66557E > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Thu May 31 06:49:59 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 07:49:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> <4175856033D74D40976B2BDF6EB349BF@Vista> Message-ID: <4D5C9920-1035-4700-883E-80B6C8116D06@gmail.com> I've never figured out whether the numerals would have been sequential if the engines were sent to other car manufacturers, but I suspect they were. Whereas I don't know if TVR engines were marked specifically for TVR use, Morgan TR engines had a different suffix -- ME instead of E, but retaining the prefix of TS or CT. Duncan (Texas) On May 30, 2012, at 10:13 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Not to mention the several hundred engines sold to TVR over the course of the > years. There were in the neighborhood of 350 Vixen 2500s and who knows how > many M Types with the TR6 engine. > My Vixen is the one car I never should have let slip away... > > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Curry > To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; > 'fot' > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > > > The further along in the production sequence, the further off the numbers > got. This is because engines were pulled from the warehouse for warranty > replacement and dealer spares stock, while commission numbers continued in > numerical sequence. > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From fubog1 at aol.com Thu May 31 07:12:15 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: <4D5C9920-1035-4700-883E-80B6C8116D06@gmail.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> <4175856033D74D40976B2BDF6EB349BF@Vista> <4D5C9920-1035-4700-883E-80B6C8116D06@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CF0D46227473F2-25F8-F4C@webmail-d139.sysops.aol.com> What I believe is the original engine from my '72 2500 "hybrid" is CC84762UF. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: Terry Stetler Cc: 'fot' Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 8:50 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers I've never figured out whether the numerals would have been sequential if the engines were sent to other car manufacturers, but I suspect they were. Whereas I don't know if TVR engines were marked specifically for TVR use, Morgan TR engines had a different suffix -- ME instead of E, but retaining the prefix of TS or CT. Duncan (Texas) On May 30, 2012, at 10:13 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Not to mention the several hundred engines sold to TVR over the course of the > years. There were in the neighborhood of 350 Vixen 2500s and who knows how > many M Types with the TR6 engine. > My Vixen is the one car I never should have let slip away... > > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Curry > To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; > 'fot' > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > > > The further along in the production sequence, the further off the numbers > got. This is because engines were pulled from the warehouse for warranty > replacement and dealer spares stock, while commission numbers continued in > numerical sequence. > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From weredinger at cox.net Thu May 31 08:10:40 2012 From: weredinger at cox.net (Bill) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:10:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Steve; The engines in question were produced around January 1960 and put into cars about that same time frame. The time it took to get from casting to a final vehicle is lost with time, it is anyone's guess, months maybe. Engines were made in batches with sequential numbering and shipped to final assembly were they were placed in holding, waiting for a vehicle chassis to be installed in (also in sequential numbering, but not the same) as they could have pulled the first or last of the batch on the factory floor. Engines were also pulled from these batches for other manufactures like Morgan, etc, replacement service and testing, so the further out on the model run the more likely the greater spread from Commission Number (lower) to Engine number will be. By 1960 it could be 500 to 1000 numbers off, but with varying spread from one car to the next one off the line. BMHT (VTR also does searches also) run vehicle searches based on commission numbers, but will run ones based on engine number, but it takes a lot longer as they have to pull all the commission numbers in that range to see where the engine was placed. Also of note in 1975-76 British Leland, was scrapping out TR3 NOS parts from their inventory, of which there were a few engines and blocks made available to VTR which did not have any serial numbers stamped on them. Sorry they are long gone at prices you would die for today! Bill Redinger VTR, TR2-3 Vehicle Consultant ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:13 PM Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers > to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > TS67499E > > TS66557E > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/weredinger at cox.net From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Thu May 31 08:26:09 2012 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don TR) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:26:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: According to Bill Piggot's book "Original Triumph TR2, 3, 3A and 3B", on pg 122, TR3A TS 60000 was built in Oct. 1959 and TS 70182 was built in March 1960. Considering that the engine TS numbers were about 300 or 400 numbers out from the Comm. Nos, I would guess that the two engines you listed were build in late December 1959 to January 1960. This also closely agrees with the dates of Comm. Nos listed by Marty Lodawer of TRSC for US delivered cars. Image copy of pertinant page e-mailed directly to Steve. Don Elliott, Original Owner 1958 TR3A, Montreal ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers > to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > TS67499E > > TS66557E > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 31 08:42:37 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:42:37 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on throttle" and to the left "off throttle". Does anybody see a reason for that? http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE Cheers Chris From peter at nosimport.com Thu May 31 09:02:08 2012 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:02:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> Message-ID: <20120531150306.7C3FA9A4860@mx2.netinteraction.com> Loose axle U-bolts, or? Too much movement where the spring meets the axle tube. Peter C (nice vid) At 09:42 AM 5/31/2012, you wrote: >I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on >throttle" and to the left "off throttle". > >Does anybody see a reason for that? > >http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > >Cheers >Chris From malaboge at aol.com Thu May 31 11:49:33 2012 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> Message-ID: <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> Chris, A few thoughts... has it always done this or is it recent (added more hp lately?) check for anything loose/broken (spring leaves can break and be hard to spot if at the axle junction) cracked frame (check at the center "X" area as well as the where the rear of the spring mounts to the frame area) soft spring eye bushings what sort of additional link do you have for the rear? traction bars or upper link? if nothing (cannot tell from video) it may be time to install one disconnect emergency brakes and see if the problem changes if everything seems OK...detune the engine, you obviously have too much power! always pulling a little "to the left" myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'FOT' Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am Subject: [Fot] LSD I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on hrottle" and to the left "off throttle". Does anybody see a reason for that? http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE Cheers hris ______________________________________________ From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 31 12:47:23 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 18:47:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Nick from Nor Cal, I did changes to the rear: 1. Changed from 4.1 axle to 4.55 2. Swapped a welded diff against an LSD, Sailsbury type. 3. I welded the axle tube to the housing. I have hard bushes at the springs rear. No rods just stock design. With the locked rear I had no self steering. It is not a bad steer but it is feelable. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: malaboge at aol.com Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:49:33 To: ; Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD Chris, A few thoughts... has it always done this or is it recent (added more hp lately?) check for anything loose/broken (spring leaves can break and be hard to spot if at the axle junction) cracked frame (check at the center "X" area as well as the where the rear of the spring mounts to the frame area) soft spring eye bushings what sort of additional link do you have for the rear? traction bars or upper link? if nothing (cannot tell from video) it may be time to install one disconnect emergency brakes and see if the problem changes if everything seems OK...detune the engine, you obviously have too much power! always pulling a little "to the left" myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'FOT' Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am Subject: [Fot] LSD I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on hrottle" and to the left "off throttle". Does anybody see a reason for that? http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE Cheers hris ______________________________________________ From gaf3 at charter.net Thu May 31 12:56:48 2012 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:56:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> Message-ID: <4FC7BEF0.5070700@charter.net> Chris Nice camera work. If you have not determined the cause of your rear steer and have the desire to find the root cause of the problem, set up you camera pointed at a stationary plate mounted to the frame and a pointer mounted to the axle both in the forward and lateral direction in the car. The plate needs to have graduations to show the extent of the movement. With one camera you would need to set it up twice, once in each direction. This is how I use to root cause suspension issues when I was a development engineer at one of the big three. Sounds like a lot of work but since you mounted the camera you are half way there. You could also set up a scratch plate without using a camera. Just my 2 cents worth. Glenn Franco On 5/31/2012 10:42 AM, MadMarx wrote: > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > throttle" and to the left "off throttle". > > Does anybody see a reason for that? > > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 31 14:18:38 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:18:38 +0000 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> Message-ID: Bill, What I saw at the dyno session was that the left wheel moves more forth and back than on the right side. I'm searching for the cause. All bushes seem to be okay. Your idea with different spring rates or broken leaves is a point to check. Thanks Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:59:03 To: Cc: ; Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD With hard bushing you shouldn't need a panhard bar--at least I don't. You might want some kind of anti-tramping bars though. I use them on Peyote and they make a huge difference. If the spring rates are a little different they will roll up differently and steer the rear end. I'd suspect a problem in the LSD. Either your spring washers might have heated up and softened or something is just not adjusted properly. On May 31, 2012, at 11:47 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Nick from Nor Cal, > > I did changes to the rear: > 1. Changed from 4.1 axle to 4.55 > 2. Swapped a welded diff against an LSD, Sailsbury type. > 3. I welded the axle tube to the housing. > > I have hard bushes at the springs rear. No rods just stock design. > > With the locked rear I had no self steering. > It is not a bad steer but it is feelable. > > Cheers > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: malaboge at aol.com > Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:49:33 > To: ; > Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > > > Chris, > A few thoughts... > has it always done this or is it recent (added more hp lately?) > check for anything loose/broken (spring leaves can break and be hard to spot if at the axle junction) > cracked frame (check at the center "X" area as well as the where the rear of the spring mounts to the frame area) > soft spring eye bushings > what sort of additional link do you have for the rear? traction bars or upper link? if nothing (cannot tell from video) it may be time to install one > disconnect emergency brakes and see if the problem changes > > if everything seems OK...detune the engine, you obviously have too much power! > > always pulling a little "to the left" myself... > Nick in Nor Cal > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MadMarx > To: 'FOT' > Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am > Subject: [Fot] LSD > > > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > hrottle" and to the left "off throttle". > Does anybody see a reason for that? > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > Cheers > hris > ______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu May 31 18:14:24 2012 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 17:14:24 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] LSD Message-ID: <1300447.1338509664682.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The front bushes inside the "eyes" of the leaf springs are rubber with a metal sleeve. The rubber can deteriorate and essentially cause the spring's front mounting point to move around under load. My car has bronze bushes in place of the stock pieces. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: tr4racing at googlemail.com >Sent: May 31, 2012 1:18 PM >To: Bill Babcock >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > >Bill, > >What I saw at the dyno session was that the left wheel moves more forth and back than on the right side. >I'm searching for the cause. >All bushes seem to be okay. >Your idea with different spring rates or broken leaves is a point to check. > >Thanks >Chris > >Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bill Babcock >Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:59:03 >To: >Cc: ; >Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > >With hard bushing you shouldn't need a panhard bar--at least I don't. You might want some kind of anti-tramping bars though. I use them on Peyote and they make a huge difference. If the spring rates are a little different they will roll up differently and steer the rear end. I'd suspect a problem in the LSD. Either your spring washers might have heated up and softened or something is just not adjusted properly. >On May 31, 2012, at 11:47 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > >> Hi Nick from Nor Cal, >> >> I did changes to the rear: >> 1. Changed from 4.1 axle to 4.55 >> 2. Swapped a welded diff against an LSD, Sailsbury type. >> 3. I welded the axle tube to the housing. >> >> I have hard bushes at the springs rear. No rods just stock design. >> >> With the locked rear I had no self steering. >> It is not a bad steer but it is feelable. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: malaboge at aol.com >> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:49:33 >> To: ; >> Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD >> >> >> Chris, >> A few thoughts... >> has it always done this or is it recent (added more hp lately?) >> check for anything loose/broken (spring leaves can break and be hard to spot if at the axle junction) >> cracked frame (check at the center "X" area as well as the where the rear of the spring mounts to the frame area) >> soft spring eye bushings >> what sort of additional link do you have for the rear? traction bars or upper link? if nothing (cannot tell from video) it may be time to install one >> disconnect emergency brakes and see if the problem changes >> >> if everything seems OK...detune the engine, you obviously have too much power! >> >> always pulling a little "to the left" myself... >> Nick in Nor Cal >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MadMarx >> To: 'FOT' >> Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am >> Subject: [Fot] LSD >> >> >> I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on >> hrottle" and to the left "off throttle". >> Does anybody see a reason for that? >> http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE >> Cheers >> hris >> ______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From Catpusher at aol.com Thu May 31 18:47:53 2012 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park Message-ID: <4c2a2.5b44e6bb.3cf96b39@aol.com> For some years I prepped and stored our race car across the street from Golden Gate Park in SF, and I so wished that I could race there when faced with flat towing many hours to places like: SIR, Westwood, Riverside, and Road Atlanta. Over the years I have asked many people where the course was, with no clear answer. It was with pleasure that I read Monday's SF paper and found a map of the course, and about a new book about the early 1950s races, co-authored by our own Gary Horstkorta. TR Regards, Hardy From tony at tonydrews.com Thu May 31 19:16:53 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:16:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I was thinking it would be interesting to see the other side of the axle from the same camera angle to see if you get as much flex in the spring as you do in the video. The axle moves noticeably from the front to the rear as the spring winds / unwinds, if one spring is stiffer than the other you'd end up with some rear steer because of one side moving more than the other. Tony At 03:18 PM 5/31/2012, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: >Bill, > >What I saw at the dyno session was that the left wheel moves more >forth and back than on the right side. >I'm searching for the cause. >All bushes seem to be okay. >Your idea with different spring rates or broken leaves is a point to check. > >Thanks >Chris > >Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bill Babcock >Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:59:03 >To: >Cc: ; >Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > >With hard bushing you shouldn't need a panhard bar--at least I >don't. You might want some kind of anti-tramping bars though. I use >them on Peyote and they make a huge difference. If the spring rates >are a little different they will roll up differently and steer the >rear end. I'd suspect a problem in the LSD. Either your spring >washers might have heated up and softened or something is just not >adjusted properly. >On May 31, 2012, at 11:47 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > > > Hi Nick from Nor Cal, > > > > I did changes to the rear: > > 1. Changed from 4.1 axle to 4.55 > > 2. Swapped a welded diff against an LSD, Sailsbury type. > > 3. I welded the axle tube to the housing. > > > > I have hard bushes at the springs rear. No rods just stock design. > > > > With the locked rear I had no self steering. > > It is not a bad steer but it is feelable. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: malaboge at aol.com > > Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:49:33 > > To: ; > > Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > > > > > > Chris, > > A few thoughts... > > has it always done this or is it recent (added more hp lately?) > > check for anything loose/broken (spring leaves can break and be > hard to spot if at the axle junction) > > cracked frame (check at the center "X" area as well as the where > the rear of the spring mounts to the frame area) > > soft spring eye bushings > > what sort of additional link do you have for the rear? traction > bars or upper link? if nothing (cannot tell from video) it may be > time to install one > > disconnect emergency brakes and see if the problem changes > > > > if everything seems OK...detune the engine, you obviously have > too much power! > > > > always pulling a little "to the left" myself... > > Nick in Nor Cal > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: MadMarx > > To: 'FOT' > > Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am > > Subject: [Fot] LSD > > > > > > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > > hrottle" and to the left "off throttle". > > Does anybody see a reason for that? > > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > > Cheers > > hris > > ______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From cwnfot at gmail.com Thu May 31 19:41:13 2012 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 21:41:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park In-Reply-To: <4c2a2.5b44e6bb.3cf96b39@aol.com> References: <4c2a2.5b44e6bb.3cf96b39@aol.com> Message-ID: <01d801cd3f97$a2041300$e60c3900$@com> Is this it, Hardy? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/27/BAIJ1OM33L.DTL Another... http://larkspurcortemadera.patch.com/articles/driver-returns-to-days-of-glor y Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 31 20:27:19 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:27:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> There is also the reaction of the axle housing against the propshaft. The shaft turns one way, the axle reacts in the opposite direction. One wheel is pushed a bit harder into the rollers, one lifted a bit up. mjb. From rocky at spitfire4.com Thu May 31 20:26:36 2012 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 21:26:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park References: <4c2a2.5b44e6bb.3cf96b39@aol.com> Message-ID: <508AFCF13C40472B8C95BBC1EABC84D8@rocky> At the risk of dating myself, I was there for the 1953 races. As a pre-teen kid, I didn't know much about racing and nothing about SCCA at the time, but I thought this one guy in a red car whose name rhymed was cool. Of course, I didn't know anything about Phil Hill then either. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:47 PM Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park > For some years I prepped and stored our race car across the street from > Golden Gate Park in SF, and I so wished that I could race there when faced > with flat towing many hours to places like: SIR, Westwood, Riverside, and > Road Atlanta. Over the years I have asked many people where the course > was, > with no clear answer. It was with pleasure that I read Monday's SF paper > and > found a map of the course, and about a new book about the early 1950s > races, co-authored by our own Gary Horstkorta. > > TR Regards, > Hardy > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu May 31 20:31:58 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 22:31:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Prospective member/racer Message-ID: <1355A8325EDD408C936E7E9C5F3FA342@owner8914bbf7f> Hi all. We have an organization around Erie called SOB, Sons of Britain. Anyone who has anything British is welcome. Kinda like the FOT, no officers, dues, or any other constraints. They have monthly meetings, have a September car show, have various tours around the area, and will have a summer party at my farm July 29 (if you happen to be in the area). One of the guys, Mike Moore, is thinking about getting a TR4 to race and asked me if he could be put in touch with the FOT; he'll have a bunch of questions and could be helped immensely by the FOT's knowledge. I'll recommend if I can get a second. mmoore at wave1.net I'll probably head for Mid Ohio in late June for the vintage event. Thanks, Bill From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu May 31 22:38:20 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 04:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park In-Reply-To: <01d801cd3f97$a2041300$e60c3900$@com> Message-ID: <488373492.326076.1338525500312.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Yesterday as part of the annual Sonma Historic Motorsports Reunion at Infineon Raceway (actually, as of today Infineon's naming rights expired so it is now Sonoma Raceway), the track held a press conference celebrating the 60th anniversary of the races in Golden Gate Park. Present were three local ex-drivers who participated in those races and three of the original cars that were driven in the races - an ex-Phil Hill Aston Martin DB2, a 1950 Jaguar Parkinson Special and the Mercury flathead powered Baldwin Special. Amazing to see the drivers (all in their early 80s) and the three cars together. It was a kick to watch the ex-drivers all bench racing about the old days. This Saturday at the track they will have a seminar with the 1952 race winner, Bill Pollack (event Grand Marshall) plus five of the ex-drivers that raced in the Park. The event is receiving local TV, newspaper and as you've seen, Internet coverage. Gary Horstkorta Archivist - SF Region/SCCa 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clark W. Nicholls" To: Catpusher at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:41:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park Is this it, Hardy? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/27/BAIJ1OM33L.DTL Another... http://larkspurcortemadera.patch.com/articles/driver-returns-to-days-of-glor y Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintage.racer at comcast.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue May 1 07:07:36 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 09:07:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mitty stuff Message-ID: All I can say is WOW!. Haven't made it home yet as we stopped to stay a couple of days in the mountains, got to keep the banker happy too don't ya know. :). Weekend started out rough as we shot parts out of the side of the block 5 laps into the first practice session on Friday. Probably stressed the crank during my over revving situation last week and it let go. We shall see when we get home but I was picking piston pieces out of the lip at the front of the bonnet. Just had to switch gears from racing to spectating, once I did that we had a blast the rest of the weekend. It was SO great to see all my old friends and meet many new ones, both FOT and spectators. I don't see how we can ever top this one! Guys please thank your spouses for me for making My wife feel so welcome to the group at the track, she enjoyed herself also. Hopefully I will get another engine together and show up to be in your guys way at next years Kastner Cup event. Marty Sukey #8 Spitfire From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 1 07:16:04 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 09:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MITTY AFTERMATH Message-ID: <8CEF5B3B0FF4407-1ED0-E43@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> FOT: There's a huge number of stories. Please share them. A few notes here: I thought the pageantry of THE CMS GRID GIRLS and the on grid interviews was a very GREAT feature. We would like to incorporate this feature into the next Kastner Cup and will be looking for an Organizer. Special thanks to CMS organization for the CMS Hospitality Tent in the PRO-PADDOCK, too. Certainly we will want to arrange for a Hospitality Tent at the next Kastner Cup. More later.... Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 1 07:52:20 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 09:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 an ANNOUNCEMENT Message-ID: <8CEF5B8C2C267C8-1ED0-14DF@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> YES! It will be at ROAD AMERICA in the fall. SEPTEMBER It has been 1996 since the TRIUMPH has been the featured marque at this event. It has been under discussion for the last couple of years with VSCDA. Finally it's time has come for the FOT to gather at this premier VSCDA event. Kas Kastner will be the GRAND MARSHALL for the weekend, of course. FOT John Houlton will be KASTNER CUP Event Chair. John is on the BOD of VSCDA and is well acquainted with top management at ROAD AMERICA. The Friends of Triumph will be the focus of the event, make no mistake about that. The ELKHART LAKE VINTAGE FESTIVAL has been an extremely popular event, drawing entrants from all over North America. The small resort village of Elkhart Lake is very welcoming and easy to get to from the track. There are always events planned for us in the village during the weekend. Stay tuned for future announcements. Financially we are largely covered, but may be looking for some sponsors for extras that would like to have. Suggestions are always welcomed. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 1 08:48:35 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 10:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 an ANNOUNCEMENT In-Reply-To: <57d6800f-6394-4c1f-8b81-6620f66b07c4@blur> References: <8CEF5B8C2C267C8-1ED0-14DF@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> <57d6800f-6394-4c1f-8b81-6620f66b07c4@blur> Message-ID: <8CEF5C09F0980B6-1ED0-1EC9@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> Chuck good to hear from you....message says: SEPTEMBER 2013 It can be a very perfect time of the year with dry weather and cool temperatures. It also follow Watkins Glen and is a popular stop over for west coast guys returning from the east. This is the most popular event of the year with VSCDA and well attended without the crush of many 'festival' events. This is 'FIRST CABIN' event and we will be proud to be part of it. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: chasgee To: Joe Alexander ; fot Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 9:30 am Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 an ANNOUNCEMENT Hi Joe, What time of year will it be? End of April? Thanks, Chuck Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Joe Alexander To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 14:07:33 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 an ANNOUNCEMENT YES! It will be at ROAD AMERICA in the fall. SEPTEMBER It has been 1996 since the TRIUMPH has been the featured marque at this event. It has been under discussion for the last couple of years with VSCDA. Finally it's time has come for the FOT to gather at this premier VSCDA event. Kas Kastner will be the GRAND MARSHALL for the weekend, of course. FOT John Houlton will be KASTNER CUP Event Chair. John is on the BOD of VSCDA and is well acquainted with top management at ROAD AMERICA. The Friends of Triumph will be the focus of the event, make no mistake about that. The ELKHART LAKE VINTAGE FESTIVAL has been an extremely popular event, drawing entrants from all over North America. The small resort village of Elkhart Lake is very welcoming and easy to get to from the track. There are always events planned for us in the village during the weekend. Stay tuned for future announcements. Financially we are largely covered, but may be looking for some sponsors for extras that would like to have. Suggestions are always welcomed. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From triosan at gmail.com Tue May 1 09:32:39 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 08:32:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another Nomination [nimination?] Message-ID: He is not a Triumph guy -- in fact he races a B. But he is good at it, and certainly part of our family since he attends and races at every Kas Kup. I would like to nominate Will Hart, son of Bill Hart [#98 TR powered Devin] and travel companion/all around helper of Tony Garmey who maintains the car. -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From igofaster at att.net Tue May 1 09:48:36 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 08:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Road Atlanta Message-ID: <1335887316.61747.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> was truly an experience to drive the track for the first time... my track-mate shows I hit 101 mph on the back straight and the front straight... I thought I was faster on the back. Still a lot bummed about not being able to run with Jason and Newman in the other two GT6's... the pleasure was softened by Peggy and Kas being extra warm, generous, and sharing... a memory of a lifetime for me, thanks Kas... We joked signing my car "ready to push..." but graciously signed "racing soon, Kas Kastner" ... awesome.. On the DL I got the GT6 on stands last night, went to drain the oil, and a LOT of water came out. Hoping it is only the head gasket but there's no telling. #2 piston is not in the slot when turning over, bent valve, and pieces of the piston (we think) we're in the front carb... strange... there was no crying or muffled handgun discharged in the black Ford van with the black enclosed sleeping quarters of yours truly... I was threatened to be blocked in if I tried to leave thursday night... my attitude improved a lot friday... I came away from the Mitty with a new slogan "Never met a Triumph person I didn't like" ... seems appropriate... Bobby Whitehead From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 1 10:18:48 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 12:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Another Nomination [nimination?] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CEF5CD3958AC61-8C8-1BB20@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> Hart Family all.....belong. TR250K AND DEVIN TRIUMPH trumps MGB...... Most of us likely had a MG first.....even Kas. 2nd Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley To: Friends Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 11:04 am Subject: [Fot] Another Nomination [nimination?] He is not a Triumph guy -- in fact he races a B. But he is good at it, and certainly part of our family since he attends and races at every Kas Kup. I would like to nominate Will Hart, son of Bill Hart [#98 TR powered Devin] and travel companion/all around helper of Tony Garmey who maintains the car. -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 1 10:39:04 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 11:39:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another Nomination [nimination?] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll gladly second that, although you'll need to include his e-mail address for Mark to add him to the list. Tony Drews At 10:32 AM 5/1/2012, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: >He is not a Triumph guy -- in fact he races a B. But he is good at it, and >certainly part of our family since he attends and races at every Kas Kup. >I would like to nominate Will Hart, son of Bill Hart [#98 TR powered Devin] >and travel companion/all around helper of Tony Garmey who maintains the car. > >-- >Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From cofrog at q.com Tue May 1 12:54:38 2012 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 14:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Crankshaft In-Reply-To: <1177610957.1565761.1335898365710.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <297435576.1565844.1335898478954.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> I'm in need of a good TR3/4 crankshaft. Prefer one with stock sized journals. One near Denver would be best for a local pickup but beggars can't be choosers. Thanks, Dan From mnewman at embarqmail.com Tue May 1 15:10:15 2012 From: mnewman at embarqmail.com (William T newman) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 17:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] 2012 Mitty In-Reply-To: <2120212493.2460363.1335903532468.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: <126288481.2462399.1335906615048.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> To All: Mary and I got back to our home in Florida about 1:00 PM today. Everything still is in good shape, inlcuding the GT6. The Mitty was the best weekend we have had in a long time. I want to thank Kas and Peggy for being there as the guests of honor (thanks Kas for signing my car door on Friday). Thanks to Tim Suddard and his team for their sponsorship of the event, as well as the Vintage Triumph Register ( I enjoyed talking to Mike Cook). We established many new friendships, most noteably, the Sulkey family, the Alexander family, the Kahlers and all the others of our Triumph Friends. I had a fun time with Bill Collins, John Hasty and Sean Alexander in the Kastner Cup Race on Saturday. Good job Sean, pasing me before the finish! The Sunday race was also a lot of fun with hard pressure from Bill Collins, Greg Kimbrough and Bob Kramer (Good job Bob, you got me!). I had a great time and would like to to it again with you folks in Forida. I will be willing to help to set something up at Sebring if anyone is interested. Bill Newman #44 GT6 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 1 15:47:46 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 23:47:46 +0200 Subject: [Fot] 2nd action on my rebuild engine.... In-Reply-To: <4D9EC73A08254041B46C0DCB3A79A9DC@gdhs.local> References: <000901cd26a3$38dffae0$aa9ff0a0$@com><1335790323.25276.YahooMailClassic@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000801cd2709$ab4ab000$01e01000$@com> <4D9EC73A08254041B46C0DCB3A79A9DC@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <003101cd27e4$0ee30c40$2ca924c0$@com> Another one.....richer idle jets.....but they're making the engine lazy. Going back lean tomorrow: http://youtu.be/EO88kBJQh9U Cheers Chris From triosan at gmail.com Tue May 1 16:24:31 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 15:24:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mitty who was the driver? Message-ID: Black Spit number 16? -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 1 17:29:02 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:29:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2012 Mitty In-Reply-To: <126288481.2462399.1335906615048.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> References: <126288481.2462399.1335906615048.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: <7615F872-C02E-42CD-A275-061613DA65BD@gdhs.com> Bill... Come join us at the VDCA events at Roebling rd Savannah... 2 more left This year Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 5:10 PM, William T newman wrote: > To All: > Mary and I got back to our home in Florida about 1:00 PM today. Everything still is in good shape, inlcuding the GT6. The Mitty was the best weekend we have had in a long time. I want to thank Kas and Peggy for being there as the guests of honor (thanks Kas for signing my car door on Friday). Thanks to Tim Suddard and his team for their sponsorship of the event, as well as the Vintage Triumph Register ( I enjoyed talking to Mike Cook). > We established many new friendships, most noteably, the Sulkey family, the Alexander family, the Kahlers and all the others of our Triumph Friends. > I had a fun time with Bill Collins, John Hasty and Sean Alexander in the Kastner Cup Race on Saturday. Good job Sean, pasing me before the finish! The Sunday race was also a lot of fun with hard pressure from Bill Collins, Greg Kimbrough and Bob Kramer (Good job Bob, you got me!). > I had a great time and would like to to it again with you folks in Forida. I will be willing to help to set something up at Sebring if anyone is interested. > > Bill Newman > #44 GT6 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue May 1 17:40:36 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] So.... In-Reply-To: <004501cd26c8$51c608e0$f5521aa0$@com> References: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com> <72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com> <004501cd26c8$51c608e0$f5521aa0$@com> Message-ID: Hey - I'll echo the WOW thing. I took about 1700 pix, but there's a lot of "tossers" in there, so it'll be more like 50 or 60 when I'm done. Maybe a bit more than that. Standing at the fence sticking my camera through a hole with various race cars shooting by at speed - THANKYOU SO MUCH FOR THE CREDS, that's one for the bucket list. Thanks to Joe, Henry, Andy Reid and the folks from GRM / Classic Motorsports. To Clark's query "Did anyone see Ric Cline?" I did not. But I am next to positive that I saw Fletcher Willliams walk by Henry's paddock spot, but he didn't stop to chat and I didn't feel like chasing him down for a picture, it was late FRI I think and I was pretty "burnt". I haven't had a chance to see if any of the _FILM_ that I shot worked out, but if so, I'll post a message here and we can figure out if "we" want to do anything with it. On the plus side, if there's a chance to shoot a pano shot at the next FOT event, I'll do it. I promose to be more organized and READY next time. In any case, I'll be sending copies of the the pix to Henry for getting them on the FOT site and I'll likely post some of the better shots on Flickr or SmugMug or Facebook. It is my intention to also post some onfo on what shots I do have and I'll include some instructions on how you can get a shot or shots of your car(s) "royalty free". More on that later. Last - if anyone found a 4 GB CF memory card in the FOT paddock, it's probably the one that I can't seem to find. I'm note 100% sure where I dropped it, but I took it out of the camera THU around noon and have no recollection of seeing it after that, so, I probably left it on a hard surface or it dropped out of my pocket somewhere. In any case, if you found it or saw it, drop me a line. Looking forward to the other RA in 2013. Maybe I'll even have a Triumph there!!! c ya, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 1 17:41:25 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:41:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mitty who was the driver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pay Ryan..... He'I'my opinion Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 6:24 PM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" wrote: > Black Spit number 16? > > -- > Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue May 1 17:45:34 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Mitty who was the driver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The time sheet from the SAT practice says: Patrick Ryan rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1 May 2012, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > Black Spit number 16? > > -- > Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang at isis.mit.edu From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 1 17:46:15 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:46:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mitty who was the driver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0AC76BF2-FF54-4D59-A5A0-DA8EB192E857@gdhs.com> The quickest Spit on the east coast. A bad drive shaft tore up 2 trams this weekend. His normal # is 6 He's from Ashville NC Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 7:41 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Pay Ryan..... He'I'my opinion > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 1, 2012, at 6:24 PM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" wrote: > >> Black Spit number 16? >> >> -- >> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 1 17:48:45 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 19:48:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mitty who was the driver? In-Reply-To: <0AC76BF2-FF54-4D59-A5A0-DA8EB192E857@gdhs.com> References: <0AC76BF2-FF54-4D59-A5A0-DA8EB192E857@gdhs.com> Message-ID: Wow my Iphone skills are bad Pat Ryan Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 7:46 PM, John Hasty wrote: > The quickest Spit on the east coast. A bad drive shaft tore up 2 trams this weekend. His normal # is 6 He's from Ashville NC > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 1, 2012, at 7:41 PM, John Hasty wrote: > >> Pay Ryan..... He'I'my opinion >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 1, 2012, at 6:24 PM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" wrote: >> >>> Black Spit number 16? >>> >>> -- >>> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From triosan at gmail.com Tue May 1 17:50:39 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 16:50:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] More Mitty Pictures Message-ID: One of each driver, some pairs, groups and people. Not all captions in yet, but wanted to get this posted. https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737711953382744881/5737712256844391666 -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From jason at multivintage.com Tue May 1 17:52:28 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 18:52:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FGR at Road Atlanta (video exclusive) Message-ID: I had always heard about how great Road Atlanta was. Stories were often told around racer's campfires about the parties on the hill and the fierce production car battles that took place at the runoffs. I watched races on T.V. over the years and had prepared for the weekend by analyzing several in car youtube videos. Not surprisingly, the track must be seen and raced to be understood . It really is a fabulous track. Unique (I think) mostly based on its several very fast blind corners and extreme elevation changes. To go fast you must make several leaps of faith... that there will be a track underneath you as plunge downward. The car gets very lite and very heavy and is constantly undulating through quickly changing horizons. Until you are able to figure out where to be on the track in certain areas, it can be quite daunting. Once you figure out where to be, it is quite exhilarating and a fantastic. What a track, what a weekend, what a great group of Triumph fanatics. Anyway, some video should save me 1000's of words. Here we have the final Triumph feature race. Here's the race from mid-pack eventually for 8th place. I'm chasing down Greg Blake(TR3A), Sean Alexander(TR4) and David Cizmas (TR6) I am hounded the whole race by the three spits of Greg Kimbrough, Joe Hovey, and Bill Collins as well as the TR3A of John Hasty. . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMA0T4nflGk&feature=email The last lap charge towards the sweet TR6 in Hot Wheels green livery gave me my best time of the weekend a 1:54.7. Enjoy! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Tue May 1 18:57:41 2012 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jaxon Racing) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 20:57:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] More Mitty Pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57CAB5D7-6DE9-49F9-AEC5-FD6105151C32@yahoo.com> Some excellent photos. And video. Keep them coming !!!! Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 7:50 PM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" wrote: > One of each driver, some pairs, groups and people. Not all captions in > yet, but wanted to get this posted. > > https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737711953382 744881/5737712256844391666 > > -- > Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaxonracing at yahoo.com From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 1 21:43:41 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 22:43:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 race report part 1 of 2 Message-ID: Finished getting my newly built cylinder head working properly with the rest of the race car on Sunday prior to the event at 4:30 pm, still had a few hours to spare... Left Wed AM, arrived Thursday afternoon. The Pro paddock was pretty much completely full at that point. After moving around a bit I finally found a spot by Randy Williams beautifully prepared cars - a TR-3 and a lovely Jag E-type. Friday practice was uneventful for me, but I was able to play with Henry Frye, Mark Wheatley, and George Wright. I was gratified to see that my new head (which had been milled and had a good valve job but no porting) performed well - I could keep up with Henry and Mark on the straights. Saturday was forecast to be fairly hot, but a low cloud cover kept things cool right up until the K-cup race. Qualifying was in cool dense air and the car loved it. Got down to the low 1:51's and qualified 5th. Unfortunately, Henry blew up partway through qualifying. I got two flying laps before they black flagged the session and another couple once they got us going again. For the big race, we had quite a pre-race ceremony. There were high school cheerleaders in their outfits which were stationed by the cars, some of them with British and Grassroots Motorsports flags. There were driver interviews, including yours truly. Afterwards, I was told that I sounded very professional over the PA. Then they gridded us up in the proper spots - Randy Williams was originally put at the back of the pack due to no qualify time (clutch problem?), but they placed him back in 7th or 8th which was about where he'd been running. Good of them to do that. Kas gave the "Gentlemen (I cringed) and Susan (I smiled), Start Your Engines!" to get us going properly. I ended up on the inside of the 3rd row as we came to the green. Tony Garmey in the TR250-K set a starting speed that was perfect for me, I anticipated the green nicely and was gaining ground. Inside was blocked by Mark Wheatley, so I moved up the middle, then worked my way to the outside for turn 1. Got a great run through turn 1 and was in 3rd place by turn 2. Of course, no place to go but down from there... Had a great time trying to hold off Mark Wheatley and George Wright, but they both eventually got by me. Randy passed me like I wasn't even moving on his way to the front. I had been very pleased to be faster than him all weekend - turned out he must have been taking it easy until the race. I ended up in 8th place, with an ear to ear grin. Randy Williams won the Kastner Cup for an inspired drive in a really pretty, well prepared TR-3. Much deserved. to be continued... Tony Drews From tony at tonydrews.com Tue May 1 21:44:45 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 22:44:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2012 race report part 2 of 2 Message-ID: Continued... Sunday's race (scheduled for 4 but actually run at 5) saw fewer cars there but still a decent turn out. It was pretty hot by then. I was on the inside of the 3rd row again at the start with Randy and George in front of me. We had a bit of a faster start, and I didn't get as good of a start this time. I got passed by a TR-6 pretty quickly. He had more motor than me, but I was much quicker in the twisties. I hounded him for a lap and a half and he went too deep into turn 7 coming onto the back straight hurting his entry speed. I nailed the entry and was able to keep alongside him down the straight, outbraking him into the chicane at the end. I carried a ton of speed into the blind entry, downhill, flat out turn 12 (one of the great corners in motor racing) coming onto the front straight, stayed ahead going into the esses after the front straight and gapped out on him nicely. Unfortunately George Wright was just far enough ahead that I couldn't catch up with him and make it more interesting. But, I was keeping up with him and kept finding more speed in the corners. On the social side, Thursday night we ordered in Sonny's barbeque and had pretty much the whole Triumph contingent together for it. I thought that was a great idea! Friday night, the track had a party - I went for a bit, but it was crowded, loud, had lines for everything so I left pretty quickly. I found the Triumph guys had been invited into the private tent for a Lotus 23 racer who had a Semi and motorhome, a crew of 5 or 6, a crew chief, a lovely wife, and a chef cooking fish and chips. They were the best fish and chips I think I've ever had. Since we were racing pretty early Saturday I didn't stay too late. Saturday night I skipped the track party and hung out with Henry, Mark and more of the east coast contingent - Bob Lang was there too. We had burgers on the grill, leftover barbeque chicken, a number of adult beverages and solved the world's problems (not sure I remember the solutions, though). Kas was there, I saw Elliot Forbes Robinson at the track party, Bob Johns (original factory Sebring driver) was there, Bob Tullius was at the trophy presentation, Sam Halkias brought several cars - unfortunately they got dinged up pretty good. We had guys from both coasts, a TON of Triumph street car guys - folks driving and flying in. Awesome. The atmosphere in the Triumph crew was great, and I had a blast. Road Atlanta is a fun track to drive and also a fun track to race head to head on (NOT the same thing). The blind entry to the esses and especially the blind entry at 90 or so heading onto the front straight - I'm guessing that I was doing 105 to 110 through the turn at the bottom of the hill going onto the front straight - are thrilling every time. Tony Drews From emanteno at comcast.net Tue May 1 22:04:12 2012 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 23:04:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] So.... In-Reply-To: References: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com> <72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com> <004501cd26c8$51c608e0$f5521aa0$@com> Message-ID: On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > But I am next to positive that I saw Fletcher Willliams walk by Henry's > paddock spot, but he didn't stop to chat and I didn't feel like chasing him > down for a picture, it was late FRI I think and I was pretty "burnt". > I saw Fletcher Williams visiting with Sam Halkias. A terrific photo opportunity lost because I wasn't packing at the time. It was very cool. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed May 2 06:52:42 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 14:52:42 +0200 Subject: [Fot] 2nd action on my rebuild engine.... In-Reply-To: <4D9EC73A08254041B46C0DCB3A79A9DC@gdhs.local> References: <000901cd26a3$38dffae0$aa9ff0a0$@com><1335790323.25276.YahooMailClassic@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <000801cd2709$ab4ab000$01e01000$@com> <4D9EC73A08254041B46C0DCB3A79A9DC@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <000301cd2862$7a487f50$6ed97df0$@com> Adjustments making progress: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmSUohHeXHM Cheers Chris From triosan at gmail.com Wed May 2 09:30:34 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 08:30:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mitty race start photos Message-ID: Follow this link to see the pregrid and the actual race start. Let me know if you cannot access these. https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737956856713038417 Chuck -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed May 2 11:04:23 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 13:04:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty Message-ID: <4FA16917.4020007@bright.net> Hello lists. The Kastner Cup race was great. Lots of cars, good competition and fun. The Kastner Cup shirt was a hit and many people requested additional shirts. There seems to be enough interest to do one more run of shirts. We are donating a portion of the proceeds from the sale of all the Kastner Cup shirts to Mark Bradakis, the operator and majordomo of all the team.net sites. Mark's efforts benefit all of us in this hobby - racers, restorer's or just plain interested enthusiasts. Even if we don't get a sufficient number of orders, please donate to team.net. Kas likes the idea of Mark getting some extra funds and might be persuaded to autograph your shirt. Details worked out between buyers and Kas. Email Kas at kaskas at cox.net. We have a final order date of close of business, May 14. Tuesday we are go or no/go. Shirts will be $15 for size small through XL. $18 for XXL or XXXL. (price does not include shipping) You need to contact us with your name, shipping address and method of payment - Visa/MasterCard/Discover or send a check - no PayPal. If we have enough orders, shirts will be printed and shipped. If we do not have a sufficient number of orders,your information will be shredded. A minimum of 48 orders is needed. For those who have not seen the shirt, here is a link to view the shirt. http://littlebluespitfire.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=6612 Order early, order often. Thanks for all your support. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US& Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From harmug at us.ibm.com Wed May 2 13:17:37 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 15:17:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Some more pictures from the K cup pre race event and general weekend images. https://picasaweb.google.com/103707539158952448697/TheMitty2012# mike G. Michael Harmuth From BillDentin at aol.com Wed May 2 13:23:27 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 15:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty Message-ID: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> Ted...et al... I wore my FOT shirt on Saturday and my KASTNER CUP shirt on Sunday. At least a dozen people asked me where they could get an FOT shirt. Most of these were either carrying or wearing the KASTNER CUP shirt. I don't know if they walked back up there or not, but I sent all of them back to your vendor stand. Did any show up asking about FOT shirts? Point being, there sure seemed to be some interest in acquiring that shirt as well. Is it still available? I'd take two. Bill Dentinger From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed May 2 13:47:58 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 15:47:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle Message-ID: <4FA18F6E.9090107@bright.net> Hello list. We will be at Import Carlisle. Our space #'s are D50 and D51. If you need anything brought out to the event, free shipping is good, please let us know. We will have gear reduciton starters, steel braided brake and clutch hoses, suspension components and ???. Stop by and say hello. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US& Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From rikrock at live.com Wed May 2 16:40:03 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 18:40:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle In-Reply-To: <4FA18F6E.9090107@bright.net> References: <4FA18F6E.9090107@bright.net> Message-ID: Bill DeWar and I will also be at Carlisle in spaces A-35-39. Assorted TR, TVR, and race-related stuff. Rich Rock From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 2 17:01:52 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 19:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty In-Reply-To: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks to Ted, Steve, and Marty's efforts. The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: tedtsimx ; FOT ; triumphs ; nass ; spitfires ; 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net>; tr8 Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 3:35 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty Ted...et al... I wore my FOT shirt on Saturday and my KASTNER CUP shirt on Sunday. At least a dozen people asked me where they could get an FOT shirt. Most of these were either carrying or wearing the KASTNER CUP shirt. I don't know if they walked back up there or not, but I sent all of them back to your vendor stand. Did any show up asking about FOT shirts? Point being, there sure seemed to be some interest in acquiring that shirt as well. Is it still available? I'd take two. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From westerneagleracing at att.net Wed May 2 17:23:03 2012 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 16:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank Message-ID: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> FOT, I am having the engine in my TR4A race car rebuilt. Are there any alternatives to a billet crank? We are looking for about 150hp (not a super powerful 170-190). Thanks. Western Eagle Racing/Ron Jacobs From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed May 2 17:56:35 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 19:56:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle References: <4FA18F6E.9090107@bright.net> Message-ID: Ted, what's the date on that? Thanks, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Schumacher" To: ; "FOT" ; "TR list" ; "TR8 CCCA Listing" ; "6-Pack" <6pack at autox.team.net>; Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 3:47 PM Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle > Hello list. We will be at Import Carlisle. Our space #'s are D50 and D51. > If you need anything brought out to the event, free shipping is good, > please let us know. We will have gear reduciton starters, steel braided > brake and clutch hoses, suspension components and ???. Stop by and say > hello. Thanks, Ted > > -- > Ted Schumacher > tedtsimx at bright.net > http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com > 108 S. Jefferson St. > Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 > Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) > Phone: 800.543.6648 (US& Canada) > Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 2 18:20:41 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 20:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank In-Reply-To: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CEF6D9B4D6D5F5-1CAC-2CC9C@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> We ran 19 years without having a broken crank. Without any special preparation. Now we have a billet crank, but only because we came into a 'cracked' billet crank. I was going to make another end table out of. It sat unprotected on a pallet in a storage shed for about 4 years, when I decided to get a 'second opinion'. It was pronounced 'good' AT TWO DIFFERENT MACHINE SHOPS. Otherwise we would still be running a stock crank. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: westerneagleracing To: fot Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 6:52 pm Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank FOT, I am having the engine in my TR4A race car rebuilt. Are there any alternatives to a billet crank? We are looking for about 150hp (not a super powerful 170-190). Thanks. Western Eagle Racing/Ron Jacobs _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From billdentin at aol.com Wed May 2 18:47:18 2012 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 20:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty In-Reply-To: <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CEF6DD6CD63276-2348-25C32@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks to Ted, Steve, and Marty's efforts. The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. Joe..et all... I did not know that. Bill Dentinger PS Probably a Good Rule, but seems somewhat out of character for this group. I am not suggesting a change! From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed May 2 18:51:15 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 20:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty In-Reply-To: <8CEF6DD6CD63276-2348-25C32@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> <8CEF6DD6CD63276-2348-25C32@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CEF6DDF9F2ACCC-1CAC-2CFD4@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> It makes us feel special, having our own shirt. It sets us apart. If you dont have one, you should. Although there is no rule that says you have to have one. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: billdentin To: n197tr4 ; tedtsimx ; FOT Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 7:47 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks to Ted, Steve, and Marty's efforts. The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. Joe..et all... I did not know that. Bill Dentinger PS Probably a Good Rule, but seems somewhat out of character for this group. I am not suggesting a change! From mnewman at embarqmail.com Wed May 2 18:52:34 2012 From: mnewman at embarqmail.com (William T newman) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 20:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <132706727.2505999.1336005922224.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: <109237921.2506197.1336006354676.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Hello List: I would like to nominate my good friend Gary Maue for membership in our mostly organized group. Gary is an autocrosser of note and is the current owner of the Ro-Spit that he purchased from Tim Suddard. He also has a very nice Spitfire 1500 along with a few old Minis. Do we have a second? Bill Newman #44 GT6 From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed May 2 19:23:39 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (tedtsimx at bright.net) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 21:23:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty In-Reply-To: <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <251f8b21-d80c-4cba-9cda-287737d1a30e@blur> Joe, et al. Total agreement with FOT staying "inside" the group. Not sure if there is enough interest to do another run of FOT t.shirts. Ted Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Joe Alexander To: BillDentin at aol.com, tedtsimx at bright.net, FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 23:01:52 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks to Ted, Steve, and Marty's efforts. The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin To: tedtsimx ; FOT ; triumphs ; nass ; spitfires ; 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net>; tr8 Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 3:35 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty Ted...et al... I wore my FOT shirt on Saturday and my KASTNER CUP shirt on Sunday. At least a dozen people asked me where they could get an FOT shirt. Most of these were either carrying or wearing the KASTNER CUP shirt. I don't know if they walked back up there or not, but I sent all of them back to your vendor stand. Did any show up asking about FOT shirts? Point being, there sure seemed to be some interest in acquiring that shirt as well. Is it still available? I'd take two. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed May 2 19:57:12 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 21:57:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: Seconded. The Ro-spit is reason enough, but another Spit and Minis? Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad William T newman wrote: >Hello List: >I would like to nominate my good friend Gary Maue for membership in our mostly organized group. Gary is an autocrosser of note and is the current owner of the Ro-Spit that he purchased from Tim Suddard. He also has a very nice Spitfire 1500 along with a few old Minis. >Do we have a second? > >Bill Newman #44 GT6 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From jason at multivintage.com Wed May 2 20:01:35 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 21:01:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty In-Reply-To: <8CEF6DDF9F2ACCC-1CAC-2CFD4@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> <8CEF6DD6CD63276-2348-25C32@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> <8CEF6DDF9F2ACCC-1CAC-2CFD4@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Clearly, above all others, FOT is THE Triumph racing group. Or Non group. Even my Mitty crew chief, Brian laughs and has started his own group... Friends of Friends of Triumph. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > It makes us feel special, having our own shirt. > > It sets us apart. > > If you dont have one, you should. > > Although there is no rule that says you have to have one. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: billdentin > To: n197tr4 ; tedtsimx ; FOT > > Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 7:47 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty > > > > > The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks > to Ted, > Steve, and Marty's efforts. > > The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. > > I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. > > > > > > Joe..et all... > > I did not know that. > > Bill Dentinger > > PS Probably a Good Rule, but seems somewhat out of character for this > group. > I am not suggesting a change! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed May 2 20:16:44 2012 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 19:16:44 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty Message-ID: <13220485.1336011404387.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I wear my FOT shirt when I go underneath my TR3. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: Joe Alexander >Sent: May 2, 2012 5:51 PM >To: billdentin at aol.com, tedtsimx at bright.net, FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty > > It makes us feel special, having our own shirt. > >It sets us apart. > >If you dont have one, you should. > >Although there is no rule that says you have to have one. > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: billdentin >To: n197tr4 ; tedtsimx ; FOT > >Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 7:47 pm >Subject: Re: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty > > > > >The quality and presentation of both shirts was exceptional.....thanks to Ted, >Steve, and Marty's efforts. > >The FOT SHIRT, however, has never been available outside of the FOT. > >I suspect that we would all prefer that it remain that way. > > > > > >Joe..et all... > >I did not know that. > >Bill Dentinger > >PS Probably a Good Rule, but seems somewhat out of character for this group. >I am not suggesting a change! >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From tony at tonydrews.com Wed May 2 20:42:19 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 21:42:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank In-Reply-To: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: As I understand it, the stock crank will live pretty much forever if you shift at 5,000 RPM. If well prepared (good radius between bearing surfaces and the rest of the crank, possibly nitrided as well), it will live a number of seasons shifting at 5,500 RPM. When you start running it to 6,000 RPM, that's when the longevity drops pretty quickly - a season or two is about it before the #4 journal section goes. Some last longer than others. Sometimes when it goes it doesn't take out much else, sometimes it kills the block and a rod or two. Tony Drews At 06:23 PM 5/2/2012, westerneagleracing at att.net wrote: >FOT, >I am having the engine in my TR4A race car rebuilt. Are there any >alternatives >to a billet crank? We are looking for about 150hp (not a super >powerful >170-190). >Thanks. >Western Eagle Racing/Ron Jacobs >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed May 2 20:43:21 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 22:43:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <109237921.2506197.1336006354676.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> References: <132706727.2505999.1336005922224.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com>, <109237921.2506197.1336006354676.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: Second! I was wondering what happened to that Spit. Welcome to the group Gary. Marty > Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 20:52:34 -0400 > From: mnewman at embarqmail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > CC: maueman at yahoo.com > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > Hello List: > I would like to nominate my good friend Gary Maue for membership in our mostly organized group. Gary is an autocrosser of note and is the current owner of the Ro-Spit that he purchased from Tim Suddard. He also has a very nice Spitfire 1500 along with a few old Minis. > Do we have a second? > > Bill Newman #44 GT6 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Wed May 2 22:29:17 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 21:29:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank In-Reply-To: <20120503032220.50C782D02E0@autox.team.net> References: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120503032220.50C782D02E0@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4FA2099D.5060306@gmail.com> On 5/2/12 7:42 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > As I understand it, the stock crank will live pretty much forever if > you shift at 5,000 RPM. If well prepared (good radius between bearing > surfaces and the rest of the crank, possibly nitrided as well), it > will live a number of seasons shifting at 5,500 RPM. When you start > running it to 6,000 RPM, that's when the longevity drops pretty > quickly - a season or two is about it before the #4 journal section > goes. Some last longer than others. Sometimes when it goes it > doesn't take out much else, sometimes it kills the block and a rod or > two. > > Tony Drews I don't remember the RPMs and I can't find them in my notes so my numbers will be a little iffy. The way I heard it is that stock granks hold up well below the 5000 RPM red line. A little above 5000 RPM (5200ish?) there is a strong harmonic that tends to break the crank at the base of the flywheel mounting flange. The common way to tame this harmonic is with an aftermarket harmonic dampener. At full acceleration I commonly shift at 6000 RPM. My crank has a dampener & is nitrided and has held up well so far. It is my understanding that there is a second major harmonic around 6200 to 6400ish RPMs that wants to break the crank in the middle. I stay away from that harmonic because I don't think even a nitrided crank would hold up to that one for long. Wishing I could find my notes on the subect, Teriann From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed May 2 23:22:41 2012 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 22:22:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank References: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, a properly prepared, nitrided, stock crank is good for 6800 rpm and 160 hp for a long time with light rods, pistons, and an aluminum flywheel with a diaphragm clutch. It does not need a damper on the front. It does need nice radiuses on all of the journals, a good balance, and nitriding is essential. Greg Solow From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 3 00:03:56 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 00:03:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup T.shirt & Walter Mitty In-Reply-To: <251f8b21-d80c-4cba-9cda-287737d1a30e@blur> References: <50648.68f271a2.3cd2e3af@aol.com> <8CEF6CEB2AD72AF-1CAC-2C51A@webmail-m144.sysops.aol.com> <251f8b21-d80c-4cba-9cda-287737d1a30e@blur> Message-ID: <4FA21FCC.30901@bradakis.com> I'm wearing this year's shirt as I sit here going through email. mjb. From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Thu May 3 00:00:52 2012 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 16:00:52 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank In-Reply-To: <4FA2099D.5060306@gmail.com> References: <1336000983.88432.YahooMailRC@web180713.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120503032220.50C782D02E0@autox.team.net> <4FA2099D.5060306@gmail.com> Message-ID: TeriAnn, You are absolutely correct about wanting to stay away from any crankshafts natural frequency. Operating in this range will induce crankshaft 'whip' and severe bending moments into the crankshaft. Breaking the crank somewhere in the middle is quite typical of this failure mode as the nose of the crank and the rear of the crank are bending 180 degrees out of phase with each other. Flywheel bolts that shear as a result of stretching is another indicator you are in the natural frequency zone. No amount of nitriding or any other surface treatment known to mankind will stop it breaking. Lots of racing boat people learn this lesson quickly! Trying to run at a set RPM range that coincides with the cranks natural frequency! Extremely expensive mistake when it can be avoided by operating a few hundred RPM higher or lower! Cheers... Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Thursday, 3 May 2012 2:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 crank On 5/2/12 7:42 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > As I understand it, the stock crank will live pretty much forever if > you shift at 5,000 RPM. If well prepared (good radius between bearing > surfaces and the rest of the crank, possibly nitrided as well), it > will live a number of seasons shifting at 5,500 RPM. When you start > running it to 6,000 RPM, that's when the longevity drops pretty > quickly - a season or two is about it before the #4 journal section > goes. Some last longer than others. Sometimes when it goes it > doesn't take out much else, sometimes it kills the block and a rod or > two. > > Tony Drews I don't remember the RPMs and I can't find them in my notes so my numbers will be a little iffy. The way I heard it is that stock granks hold up well below the 5000 RPM red line. A little above 5000 RPM (5200ish?) there is a strong harmonic that tends to break the crank at the base of the flywheel mounting flange. The common way to tame this harmonic is with an aftermarket harmonic dampener. At full acceleration I commonly shift at 6000 RPM. My crank has a dampener & is nitrided and has held up well so far. It is my understanding that there is a second major harmonic around 6200 to 6400ish RPMs that wants to break the crank in the middle. I stay away from that harmonic because I don't think even a nitrided crank would hold up to that one for long. Wishing I could find my notes on the subect, Teriann _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic at netspace.net.au From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 3 00:12:11 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 00:12:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Neat car Message-ID: <4FA221BB.2020206@bradakis.com> I actually meant to add more to that last message. As those of you who are on the main Team.Net triumph list know, the fellow who owns TS1 brought it into the shop for an oil change. It was neat to have such an interesting car to work on. Actually Ricky did most of the work, I stood there drooling and taking a few pictures. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 3 01:05:56 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 07:05:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank Message-ID: Hi, I run a stock crank too. I use revs up to 6400 (rev limiter) but in most cases I shift around 6200. I got benefit of a light aluminium pulley on front and a 6 kg light flywheel / clutch unit. I found very tiny cracks at main 2 and 4 but we managed to grind them away. The crank is in my current race engine. I would say a stock crank is a good unit when to keep eyes on cracks and stay below 6800. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Thu May 3 04:15:37 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 06:15:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Powermax/Hepolite pistons Message-ID: <4FA25AC9.9010200@cfl.rr.com> Can anyone tell me if the Powermax/Hepolite pistons of the 70's and 80's are cast or forged? thxx, Bob From bkahler1 at gmail.com Thu May 3 05:20:38 2012 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 07:20:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) Message-ID: Amici, Are any of you Spitfire drivers using Quarter Master clutches on your race cars? If so what can you tell me about them? Anything special that would be nice to know before buying? We're thinking about switching to a Quarter Master flywheel and it is set up for their clutches only. Thanks, Brad From fogbro1 at comcast.net Thu May 3 05:23:45 2012 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 11:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR Cranks Message-ID: <1814940082.1107873.1336044225332.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Joe, Stock cranks will break at under 3000 rpm late Sunday night in the middle of Nowhere, Georgia, leaving you to continue your ride in a 544 Volvo driven by an itinerant cowboy, accompanied by his acoustic guitar. Good to see you this past weekend. Beautiful car. Ed From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 3 05:32:01 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 07:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR Cranks In-Reply-To: <1814940082.1107873.1336044225332.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1814940082.1107873.1336044225332.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CEF7377DF18608-2334-B39@webmail-m142.sysops.aol.com> Was there a banjo involved? Did you start to hear DUELING BANJOS? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: fogbro1 To: Joe Alexander Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Thu, May 3, 2012 6:23 am Subject: TR Cranks Joe, Stock cranks will break at under 3000 rpm late Sunday night in the middle of Nowhere, Georgia, leaving you to continue your ride in a 544 Volvo driven by an itinerant cowboy, accompanied by his acoustic guitar. Good to see you this past weekend. Beautiful car. Ed From maueman at yahoo.com Thu May 3 06:50:45 2012 From: maueman at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?bWF1ZW1hbkB5YWhvby5jb20=?=) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 08:50:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Nomination?= Message-ID: <693560.92419.bm@smtp101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks guys. Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! ----- Reply message ----- From: "Doug Mitchell" Date: Wed, May 2, 2012 9:57 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination To: "William T newman" Cc: "Fot" , Seconded. The Ro-spit is reason enough, but another Spit and Minis? Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad William T newman wrote: >Hello List: >I would like to nominate my good friend Gary Maue for membership in our mostly organized group. Gary is an autocrosser of note and is the current owner of the Ro-Spit that he purchased from Tim Suddard. He also has a very nice Spitfire 1500 along with a few old Minis. >Do we have a second? > >Bill Newman #44 GT6 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu May 3 06:57:32 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 08:57:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA? In-Reply-To: <007501cd2169$a703f6f0$f50be4d0$@com> References: <007501cd2169$a703f6f0$f50be4d0$@com> Message-ID: that "Beady Eye" crew still has the bicycle style steering wheel next to their comunications device, I want ask what the hand levers do ! On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > The Media Center is in the tower across the track from the infield pits > (last I knew, upper levels). Whether they will have WiFi up and running > you'll need to contact Road Atlanta. > > Otherwise the office building near the outfield entrance should have it, > whether it is open to everyone is a good question. > > Another option may be if one of the FOT has a cell phone/data plan that can > provide a "hot-spot" > > Aren't they using transponders for timing/scoring? Technology is in use. > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Thu May 3 08:16:03 2012 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don TR) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 10:16:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Neat car References: <4FA221BB.2020206@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <97802FA417DE4B28AC32930632CA4909@don> TS1 is really a very special car. I saw it in Auburn Indiana at TRA just after Joe Richards had completed its restoration. TS2 is another very special TR. Last summer, I was fortunate to drive TS2 for 23 days through England and Wales for a total of 2088 miles. I took it to the Antique Car Show at Newby Hall in Yorkshire, drove it four runs up the Harewood Hillclimb and attended the TR Register International Weekend in Harrogate (estimated 450 TRs of all kinds) where I was asked to lead the parade of International TRs. That was dream come true. Don Elliott, Original Owner, 1958 TR3A, Montreal ----------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 2:12 AM Subject: [Fot] Neat car >I actually meant to add more to that last message. As those of you > who are on the main Team.Net triumph list know, the fellow who owns > TS1 brought it into the shop for an oil change. It was neat to have > such an interesting car to work on. Actually Ricky did most of the > work, I stood there drooling and taking a few pictures. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu May 3 10:35:53 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 12:35:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank In-Reply-To: <20120503073746.9E5172D0879@autox.team.net> References: <20120503073746.9E5172D0879@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <323DC6BB895E46F492ABBDA3D5C3FD11@gdhs.local> Me too.....6000rpm John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 3:06 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 crank Hi, I run a stock crank too. I use revs up to 6400 (rev limiter) but in most cases I shift around 6200. I got benefit of a light aluminium pulley on front and a 6 kg light flywheel / clutch unit. I found very tiny cracks at main 2 and 4 but we managed to grind them away. The crank is in my current race engine. I would say a stock crank is a good unit when to keep eyes on cracks and stay below 6800. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed May 2 20:26:29 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 22:26:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FGR at Road Atlanta (video exclusive) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38D8EE83-3C2B-463A-BB95-E85D2D82C5A2@gdhs.com> Wow Jason just 3rd & 4th ... If I knew how to put my video on utube you could see e what it's like in a 4 banger. Turn 1 4 th turn 2 is 3rd turn 4 is 4 th through tunn 4 tturn 6 is 3 rd turn 7 is 3 rd & then to 3 rd O D back to 3rd for 8 is 2nd turn 9 on back straight is 5 th ( od) 10 & 10a is 2nd turn 11 is 3rd turn 12 is 4th & then 5 th (od) & back to 4th in 1 I ' ll try & see if the young guys in the office cac put it on youtube Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2012, at 7:52 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > I had always heard about how great Road Atlanta was. Stories were often > told around racer's campfires about the parties on the hill and the fierce > production car battles that took place at the runoffs. I watched races on > T.V. over the years and had prepared for the weekend by analyzing several > in car youtube videos. > Not surprisingly, the track must be seen and raced to be understood . > It really is a fabulous track. Unique (I think) mostly based on its several > very fast blind corners and extreme elevation changes. > To go fast you must make several leaps of faith... that there will be a > track underneath you as plunge downward. The car gets very lite and very > heavy and is constantly undulating through quickly changing horizons. > Until you are able to figure out where to be on the track in certain areas, > it can be quite daunting. > Once you figure out where to be, it is quite exhilarating and a fantastic. > What a track, what a weekend, what a great group of Triumph fanatics. > > Anyway, some video should save me 1000's of words. Here we have the final > Triumph feature race. > > Here's the race from mid-pack eventually for 8th place. > I'm chasing down Greg Blake(TR3A), Sean Alexander(TR4) and David Cizmas > (TR6) > I am hounded the whole race by the three spits of Greg Kimbrough, Joe > Hovey, and Bill Collins as well as the TR3A of John Hasty. > . > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMA0T4nflGk&feature=email > > The last lap charge towards the sweet TR6 in Hot Wheels green livery gave > me my best time of the weekend a 1:54.7. > > Enjoy! > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu May 3 10:42:45 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 12:42:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was looking at the various Spit engines in the paddock but I forgot to ask what kind of headers people were using. My car came with a set of Tri-Y and I replaced them with a new set two years ago. My understanding is these style help with low to mid range power. After getting passed, at a very good clip, on the RA straights last weekend, I'm looking at ways to get more power and still have the car SCCA H-Prod legal. Headers / exhaust system are one of the few areas where Prep level 2 engines are given free range. I'm thinking about a 4->1 style, like a Stahl, which I heard is better for top end. Any input is appreciated. thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth From gasket.works at gte.net Thu May 3 12:42:41 2012 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 18:42:41 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1530600928-1336070562-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-803338926-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> I purchased the individual Stahl pre-bent tubes, made my own flange and built my own header. 4 into one. Then used burns stainless collector (non-stainless). Fun to do if you can weld. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: George Harmuth Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 12:42:45 To: Subject: [Fot] Headers I was looking at the various Spit engines in the paddock but I forgot to ask what kind of headers people were using. My car came with a set of Tri-Y and I replaced them with a new set two years ago. My understanding is these style help with low to mid range power. After getting passed, at a very good clip, on the RA straights last weekend, I'm looking at ways to get more power and still have the car SCCA H-Prod legal. Headers / exhaust system are one of the few areas where Prep level 2 engines are given free range. I'm thinking about a 4->1 style, like a Stahl, which I heard is better for top end. Any input is appreciated. thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net From spitfiresuz at 141.com Thu May 3 13:15:11 2012 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:15:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Headers Message-ID: <380-22012543191511863@M2W132.mail2web.com> The Stahl is supposed to provide better flow but the bell housing needs to be modified (ground down) to let it pass. We're running a Stahl right now, and I have no quarrels with it. Just don't wrap it with header tape--if you feel the need to do something to it for heat issues, ceramic coating would probably be the way to go. Keep Triumphing, Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: George Harmuth harmug at us.ibm.com Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 12:42:45 -0400 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Headers I was looking at the various Spit engines in the paddock but I forgot to ask what kind of headers people were using. My car came with a set of Tri-Y and I replaced them with a new set two years ago. My understanding is these style help with low to mid range power. After getting passed, at a very good clip, on the RA straights last weekend, I'm looking at ways to get more power and still have the car SCCA H-Prod legal. Headers / exhaust system are one of the few areas where Prep level 2 engines are given free range. I'm thinking about a 4->1 style, like a Stahl, which I heard is better for top end. Any input is appreciated. thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From rocky at spitfire4.com Thu May 3 13:39:32 2012 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 14:39:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) References: Message-ID: <2A90151941A64CB48DAB418E5012B377@rocky> After I chewed up a flywheel/clutch, my engine builder hung a Quartermaster on my car. We did have some difficulties getting it to work right at first, eventually traced not to the Quartermaster setup but to the throwout arm/bearing in my bellhousing. Once we finally got that chased down, the QM has worked fine. But it is a bit of an on/off switch, to the point I find it difficult to drive the car on the trailer. So now we usually push it on, which with at least two pushing ain't so hard. --Rocky Entriken #4 Spitfire (HP race, GP solo) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 6:20 AM Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) > Amici, > > Are any of you Spitfire drivers using Quarter Master clutches on your race > cars? If so what can you tell me about them? Anything special that would > be nice to know before buying? > > We're thinking about switching to a Quarter Master flywheel and it is set > up for their clutches only. > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 3 13:48:06 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 crank In-Reply-To: <323DC6BB895E46F492ABBDA3D5C3FD11@gdhs.local> References: <20120503073746.9E5172D0879@autox.team.net> <323DC6BB895E46F492ABBDA3D5C3FD11@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <8CEF77CCB69D886-1824-2B29B@Webmail-d118.sysops.aol.com> With the Larry Young designed cam, power comes on much earlier, and shift points much lower. A well done crank as Greg and others describe improves the probability of sustained life. But something tells me that material and process quality at 'birth' will impact the outcomes. It appears, too, that even billet cranks are subject to failure...... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: john hasty To: tr4racing ; fot Sent: Thu, May 3, 2012 12:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 crank Me too.....6000rpm John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. 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The crank is in my current race engine. I would say a stock crank is a good unit when to keep eyes on cracks and stay below 6800. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jason at multivintage.com Thu May 3 14:06:37 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:06:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FGR at Road Atlanta (video exclusive) In-Reply-To: <38D8EE83-3C2B-463A-BB95-E85D2D82C5A2@gdhs.com> References: <38D8EE83-3C2B-463A-BB95-E85D2D82C5A2@gdhs.com> Message-ID: Love to see your video John, You were really putting on the pressure for a while. As far as using only 3rd and 4th...my stock trans is the week link of the GT6. the use of 2nd gear usually results in expensive grinding noises. Even with my intentionally limited shifting, I am only able to get an average of 3 race weekends out of a "fresh" stock gearbox. On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:26 PM, John Hasty wrote: > "Wow Jason just 3rd & 4th ... > I ' ll try & see if the young guys in the office can put it on youtube" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Thu May 3 14:25:23 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 16:25:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Mitty... Message-ID: I too, say thanks to all that made it happen. Now I have a much better idea of how much work goes into pulling off one of these big events, and it is not easy! Kudos to Joe Alexander for spearheading this project and making the annual Kastner Cup happen for us. While I am passing out thanks, everybody who was there needs to thank Tim Suddard, sometimes TR3 racer and the guy behind Classic Motorsports who made sure we felt like the featured marque all weekend! Behind Tim was Andy Reid, my contact to get everything we needed for a great time. These guys really did right by us, and I say thanks for everything! While I did not get to race my car in the Kastner Cup because of a somewhat minor malfunction, I was honored to have the chance to drive the most Vintage car in the field, Bill Dentinger's Frog Blue TR3. Thanks, Bill, that was a very memorable drive in a fabulous car! The tow was long, but well worth it, even if I came home with a car that needs a little repair. I have the engine apart, and have determined this is a little more than JB Weld is going to handle... Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com From malaboge at aol.com Thu May 3 14:28:30 2012 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 16:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Powermax/Hepolite pistons In-Reply-To: <4FA25AC9.9010200@cfl.rr.com> References: <4FA25AC9.9010200@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <8CEF782705D7652-2074-2A902@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com> Bob- Those pistons are cast. What are you tryin to build...and more importantly how far ya gonna rev that puppy? I've used those pistons in quite a few motors "back in the day" and with an "F" cam ya really wound it up...never had a problem with the pistons. Well actually had several problems with the pistons breaking, but it was usually because the remnants of the rod impacted the side of the skirts! Type cast myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Bob Davis To: fot Sent: Thu, May 3, 2012 3:43 am Subject: [Fot] Powermax/Hepolite pistons Can anyone tell me if the Powermax/Hepolite pistons of the 70's and 80's re cast or forged? thxx, ob ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu May 3 14:36:02 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 15:36:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Headers In-Reply-To: <380-22012543191511863@M2W132.mail2web.com> References: <380-22012543191511863@M2W132.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8E6A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Based on my conversations with Susan's crew chief and head backhoe operator, the use of a Stahl in a Spitfire also requires some pretty good changes to the frame and right-side suspension upright. The frame lip on the right side of the engine has to be cut almost entirely away, as well as much of the rear lip on the inner portion of the suspension upright. The frame may also need notching at the collector depending on what collector you're using. Scott (B.) Headed for VSCDA's "Spring Break" weekend at Gingerman in 10 hours and 26 minutes. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spitfiresuz at 141.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 2:15 PM To: harmug at us.ibm.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Headers The Stahl is supposed to provide better flow but the bell housing needs to be modified (ground down) to let it pass. We're running a Stahl right now, and I have no quarrels with it. Just don't wrap it with header tape--if you feel the need to do something to it for heat issues, ceramic coating would probably be the way to go. Keep Triumphing, Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: George Harmuth harmug at us.ibm.com Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 12:42:45 -0400 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Headers I was looking at the various Spit engines in the paddock but I forgot to ask what kind of headers people were using. My car came with a set of Tri-Y and I replaced them with a new set two years ago. My understanding is these style help with low to mid range power. After getting passed, at a very good clip, on the RA straights last weekend, I'm looking at ways to get more power and still have the car SCCA H-Prod legal. Headers / exhaust system are one of the few areas where Prep level 2 engines are given free range. I'm thinking about a 4->1 style, like a Stahl, which I heard is better for top end. Any input is appreciated. thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 3 15:14:24 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 21:14:24 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) Message-ID: I use a Tilton unit. Nice thing and very quick shifting. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 3 15:24:43 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 21:24:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] First season's race @ Zandvoort Message-ID: Facing the first race in two weeks. More than 40 cars on the grid. Will be fun - I hope. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From gasket.works at gte.net Thu May 3 15:50:06 2012 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 21:50:06 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Crank calls Message-ID: <1358546017-1336081807-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1514876778-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> interesting crank photos on fot site. www.Fot-racing.com/cranks/crankshafts.htm There you will see three versions. The other two billet versions (moldex and some UK billet) are not pictured. The moldex design is as original save for being a machined chunk of good steel. Same with the other uk version. The end on view shows Crower version of our first design of "false" main. 55lbs. The latest and best is the lightest and has super oiling improvements. M Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From rek46 at aol.com Thu May 3 16:29:04 2012 From: rek46 at aol.com (=?utf-8?B?cmVrNDZAYW9sLmNvbQ==?=) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 18:29:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Quarter_Master_clutches_=28spitfire=29?= Message-ID: <201205032229.q43MT8bg030695@imr-da03.mx.aol.com> Wht size clutch?....I run the QM 5 1/2,woith single disc ppro rally disc..domt use tje dbl disc metallic,unless yu like drag racing Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! ----- Reply message ----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Date: Thu, May 3, 2012 5:14 pm Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) To: "Friends of Triumph" I use a Tilton unit. Nice thing and very quick shifting. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 3 16:35:34 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 00:35:34 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) In-Reply-To: <201205032229.q43MT8bg030695@imr-da03.mx.aol.com> References: <201205032229.q43MT8bg030695@imr-da03.mx.aol.com> Message-ID: <001301cd297d$103f09f0$30bd1dd0$@com> It is a 7 B I use a Tilton unit. Nice thing and very quick shifting. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Thu May 3 17:09:41 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 17:09:41 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FGR at Road Atlanta (video exclusive) In-Reply-To: References: <38D8EE83-3C2B-463A-BB95-E85D2D82C5A2@gdhs.com> Message-ID: Those of us that attended the race in Topeka have seen Jason's transmission R&R skills firsthand. Impressive. Is there a fix for this? Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On May 3, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Love to see your video John, You were really putting on the pressure for a > while. > As far as using only 3rd and 4th...my stock trans is the week link of the > GT6. > the use of 2nd gear usually results in expensive grinding noises. > Even with my intentionally limited shifting, I am only able to get an > average of 3 race weekends out of a "fresh" stock gearbox. > > > > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:26 PM, John Hasty wrote: > >> "Wow Jason just 3rd & 4th ... > > > >> I ' ll try & see if the young guys in the office can put it on youtube" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From rek46 at aol.com Thu May 3 17:14:50 2012 From: rek46 at aol.com (=?utf-8?B?cmVrNDZAYW9sLmNvbQ==?=) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 19:14:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Quarter_Master_clutches_=28spitfire=29?= Message-ID: <201205032314.q43NEu8k001131@imr-da06.mx.aol.com> Agree...i use a houseman/toyota comp tranny mod...un breakable Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! ----- Reply message ----- From: "MadMarx" Date: Thu, May 3, 2012 6:35 pm Subject: AW: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) To: , "'Friends of Triumph'" From jkhagen at charter.net Thu May 3 17:51:07 2012 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] The Mitty... Message-ID: <16e0a4ff.13f84e.137151d413f.Webtop.45@charter.net> Was the MOST vintage car there Pat Starrs' -same car same guy since 1960!--Watch for article fron Classics. JTH On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:25 PM, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: > I too, say thanks to all that made it happen. Now I have a much better > idea of how much work goes into pulling off one of these big events, > and it is not easy! Kudos to Joe Alexander for spearheading this > project and making the annual Kastner Cup happen for us. While I am > passing out thanks, everybody who was there needs to thank Tim > Suddard, sometimes TR3 racer and the guy behind Classic Motorsports > who made sure we felt like the featured marque all weekend! Behind Tim > was Andy Reid, my contact to get everything we needed for a great > time. These guys really did right by us, and I say thanks for > everything! > > While I did not get to race my car in the Kastner Cup because of a > somewhat minor malfunction, I was honored to have the chance to drive > the most Vintage car in the field, Bill Dentinger's Frog Blue TR3. > Thanks, Bill, that was a very memorable drive in a fabulous car! > > The tow was long, but well worth it, even if I came home with a car > that needs a little repair. I have the engine apart, and have > determined this is a little more than JB Weld is going to handle... > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From gasket.works at gte.net Thu May 3 17:57:00 2012 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 23:57:00 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches tr4 Message-ID: <1711067698-1336089421-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1365160362-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> I use dble disk 7.25 and with custom home built quartermaster hydraulic throw out bearing. Shifts easy, fast and no slip. No issue with Close ratio stock gear box. Works like a charm. M ------Original Message------ From: rek46 at aol.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: tr4racing at googlemail.com To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) Sent: May 3, 2012 3:29 PM Wht size clutch?....I run the QM 5 1/2,woith single disc ppro rally disc..domt use tje dbl disc metallic,unless yu like drag racing Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! ----- Reply message ----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Date: Thu, May 3, 2012 5:14 pm Subject: [Fot] Quarter Master clutches (spitfire) To: "Friends of Triumph" I use a Tilton unit. Nice thing and very quick shifting. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rek46 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From jason at multivintage.com Thu May 3 19:00:27 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 20:00:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FGR at Road Atlanta (video exclusive) In-Reply-To: References: <38D8EE83-3C2B-463A-BB95-E85D2D82C5A2@gdhs.com> Message-ID: There are several fixes. My key to even considering running the stock gearbox is my trick clutch (Tilton double disk 7.25)/ flywheel (custom) and larger throwout bearing (modified TR6). The best solution I suppose would be a full race setup... I saw a nice one in Mike Munson's TR6, and Sam H's SCCA set-up is rather solid....But these are very expensive gearboxes. Next there are several 5 speed conversions available that work very well. These are about 1/2 the price of a full race dog box. and give an extra gear beyond stock. Technically, neither of the above are legal for most period correct preparations but people get away with it (and rightly so because the only alternative is wasted $). To be more toward legal (for most organizations) it would come down to a TR4 or TR6 in which you can get away with super secret trick set of close ratio gears... which I imagine is rather nice. For now, I keep a fresh spare stock one all ready to go in my truck and have learned to simply do a full rebuild every couple races to avoid colossal failure. For later... I've been doing some research and talking with some VIP and will hopefully have something better soon. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing .. On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com < Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com> wrote: > Those of us that attended the race in Topeka have seen Jason's > transmission R&R skills firsthand. Impressive. Is there a fix for this? > > Ty > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > > On May 3, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > Love to see your video John, You were really putting on the pressure for > a > > while. > > As far as using only 3rd and 4th...my stock trans is the week link of the > > GT6. > > the use of 2nd gear usually results in expensive grinding noises. > > Even with my intentionally limited shifting, I am only able to get an > > average of 3 race weekends out of a "fresh" stock gearbox. > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:26 PM, John Hasty wrote: > > > >> "Wow Jason just 3rd & 4th ... > > > > > > > >> I ' ll try & see if the young guys in the office can put it on youtube" > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From igofaster at att.net Thu May 3 20:48:05 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] blog? Message-ID: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... Bobby From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 3 22:16:27 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 22:16:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FA3581B.2070700@bradakis.com> Bought any new cars lately? mjb. From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Thu May 3 22:48:19 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 21:48:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank calls In-Reply-To: <1358546017-1336081807-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1514876778-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> References: <1358546017-1336081807-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1514876778-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <001501cd29b1$20a3fa60$0601a8c0@randall> > The end on view shows Crower version of our first design of > "false" main. 55lbs. The latest and best is the lightest and > has super oiling improvements. Just to hurt my feelings, Mordy, what does one of those go for? Could I buy a classic Porsche for that money, or just another Triumph? -- Randall From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri May 4 03:56:54 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 05:56:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0882D17074C04817A9FB71A8D66B0121@TRIUMPH.local> Bobby, I believe it is human nature to find something good when you look around and can always find someone less fortunate that yourself. No matter how low things seem, somebody else has been dealt a crappier hand than yours. Compare the race motor you brought home with what I brought home... ;-) Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 10:48 PM Subject: [Fot] blog? > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri May 4 05:30:16 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 06:30:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The first step is to recognize that you are not alone. Stuff breaks in racing and that is something we share with drivers outside the Triumph community. Yes the Porsche guys are more dependable, but for every one of those there is some guy like you and me thrashing on our Corvair, Fiat, MaGgot, FV or some other labor of love. Keep up the love! Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From harmug at us.ibm.com Fri May 4 06:38:17 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 08:38:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "the use of a Stahl in a Spitfire also requires some pretty good changes to the frame and right-side suspension upright. Thanks for the info everyone. My bell housing has a large notch in it and the frame rail looks like the flange was beat into submission sometime in the distant past. I'll bet there was a Stahl header installed by a PO. If not, I have a good start on the mods to put one on now. Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. Less pressure == better flow? thanks mike h G. Michael Harmuth From sjanzen at me.com Fri May 4 08:57:48 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 10:57:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yep, it's taken me years to sort out (and not done yet) my GT6. Mostly that's cuz I do it myself and learn by trial and error. I'm also undoing 40 years of accumulated "fixes" by past owners, decayed parts, etc. if I didn't like this aspect and/or had cubic dollars, there are one or two GT6 experts out there who could figure it out - New England Classic Car Co comes to mind. You really just have to decide what you enjoy or don't enjoy. If the history and ambiance of vintage don't outweigh the heartache and aggravation, there's always the German and Japanese crowd, or D sports racers. PS, I've always thought a vintage 240Z would be great, but then we would have to take you off the FOT list. On May 4, 2012, at 7:30 AM, Bob Kramer wrote: The first step is to recognize that you are not alone. Stuff breaks in racing and that is something we share with drivers outside the Triumph community. Yes the Porsche guys are more dependable, but for every one of those there is some guy like you and me thrashing on our Corvair, Fiat, MaGgot, FV or some other labor of love. Keep up the love! Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri May 4 09:11:09 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 11:11:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yea Bobby, that's called group FoT TheRaPy...... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:30 AM To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? The first step is to recognize that you are not alone. Stuff breaks in racing and that is something we share with drivers outside the Triumph community. Yes the Porsche guys are more dependable, but for every one of those there is some guy like you and me thrashing on our Corvair, Fiat, MaGgot, FV or some other labor of love. Keep up the love! Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri May 4 09:40:41 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 15:40:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <474326998.9767.1336146041187.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Go with the ceramic coating, there is no justification other than budget to not coat it. They all claim to improve the flow. My experience with Stahl is mixed for the TR4/IRS. I had to mo dify my frame ( not so for the live axle car ) The general weld and bend quality was good but fit up to the head was poor. Mine is coated inside & out and engine bay temps were reduced. just my .02 jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 6:38:17 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header "the use of a Stahl in a Spitfire also requires some pretty good changes to the frame and right-side suspension upright. Thanks for the info everyone. My bell housing has a large notch in it and the frame rail looks like the flange was beat into submission sometime in the distant past. I'll bet there was a Stahl header installed by a PO. If not, I have a good start on the mods to put one on now. Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. Less pressure == better flow? thanks mike h G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri May 4 10:00:41 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 12:00:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I feel your pain brother.... Of course it sounds like Henry is halfway through his rebuild and I haven't even taken my car off the trailer yet :) Marty > Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:48:05 -0700 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] blog? > > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri May 4 11:40:39 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 12:40:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header In-Reply-To: <474326998.9767.1336146041187.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <474326998.9767.1336146041187.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <9B4188CE-49F3-4DA8-9684-9C269F1AAC4B@austin.rr.com> I have a couple of equal tube length Hooker headers that seem to work really well on my car but stick out the bottom too far. I've bounced them off the floor and cracked them a few times. I switched what may be a Monza because I had it floating around the garage. I noticed the power loss. Thankfully Road Atlanta allowed a lot more momentum carrying than TX World. I should probably source a new TR4A header rather than scrounge up used stuff. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2012, at 10:40 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Go with the ceramic coating, there is no justification other than budget to not coat it. > > They all claim to improve the flow. My experience with Stahl is mixed for the TR4/IRS. > > I had to mo dify my frame ( not so for the live axle car ) The general weld and bend quality > > was good but fit up to the head was poor. Mine is coated inside & out and engine bay > > temps were reduced. > > just my .02 > > jim g > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "George Harmuth" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 6:38:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header > > "the use of a Stahl in a Spitfire also requires some pretty > good changes to the frame and right-side suspension upright. > > Thanks for the info everyone. My bell housing has a large notch in it and > the frame rail looks like the flange was beat into submission sometime in > the distant past. I'll bet there was a Stahl header installed by a PO. If > not, I have a good start on the mods to put one on now. > Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let > the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. > Less pressure == better flow? > > thanks > mike h > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Fri May 4 11:44:33 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 12:44:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What kind of pistons were you running? I have 4 ( out of 6) .040 over good AE pistons left over from a similar incident. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri May 4 11:47:52 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 17:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header In-Reply-To: <9B4188CE-49F3-4DA8-9684-9C269F1AAC4B@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <1578014552.15299.1336153672106.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> We ( TR4 drivers ) really need a good header fabricator. My dealings with Stahl have been less than satisfactory. They don't normally build TR4 headers so you kind of have to catch them at the right moment to get it done. I'm quite certain the next set I need I'll build myself. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kramer" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: "George Harmuth" , fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 11:40:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header I have a couple of equal tube length Hooker headers that seem to work really well on my car but stick out the bottom too far. I've bounced them off the floor and cracked them a few times. I switched what may be a Monza because I had it floating around the garage. I noticed the power loss. Thankfully Road Atlanta allowed a lot more momentum carrying than TX World. I should probably source a new TR4A header rather than scrounge up used stuff. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2012, at 10:40 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Go with the ceramic coating, there is no justification other than budget to not coat it. > > They all claim to improve the flow. My experience with Stahl is mixed for the TR4/IRS. > > I had to mo dify my frame ( not so for the live axle car ) The general weld and bend quality > > was good but fit up to the head was poor. Mine is coated inside & out and engine bay > > temps were reduced. > > just my .02 > > jim g > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "George Harmuth" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 6:38:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header > > "the use of a Stahl in a Spitfire also requires some pretty > good changes to the frame and right-side suspension upright. > > Thanks for the info everyone. My bell housing has a large notch in it and > the frame rail looks like the flange was beat into submission sometime in > the distant past. I'll bet there was a Stahl header installed by a PO. If > not, I have a good start on the mods to put one on now. > Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let > the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. > Less pressure == better flow? > > thanks > mike h > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri May 4 11:57:59 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 13:57:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> What the heck you guys waiting for? My autopsy is complete, and a couple of key bits are getting crack checked as we speak. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: ; "FOT" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >I feel your pain brother.... Of course it sounds like Henry is halfway > through his rebuild and I haven't even taken my car off the trailer yet > :) > > Marty > > > >> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:48:05 -0700 >> From: igofaster at att.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] blog? >> >> okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? >> >> I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... >> >> Bobby >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Fri May 4 13:00:50 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 15:00:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 rotors? Message-ID: Does anyone in the Western Michigan area have a spare GT6 rotor they'd like to part with? Looks like I might have a slightly warped rotor. We're at Gingerman running the VSCDA weekend. Scott Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com From jason at multivintage.com Fri May 4 13:22:43 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 14:22:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bobby, Disappointment is just sometimes part of the game. Your car is really nicely done and you should really be proud of that car. However, I'm with Scott...Time to deal with someone who knows exactly how to build a GT6 motor. Perhaps some steps backwards will help establish a more solid baseline. I would approach it by putting a motor together with stuff that works and has been time tested. Only someone with actual GT6 or at least Triumph experience can truly provide this As an example, the Mikuni carbs are neat and may even work fine, but I'd start with stock carbs (which we know work fine) run a few races and THEN try the Mikuni set. Then you'll know If those carbs offer something better than stock. I had an interesting discussion with Kas about this concept. He noticed that almost without exception, cars that were purchased from him ran fine when sold... making 60 hp beyond stock. The cars would run fine for a race or two. Then in the off season the new owner would "re engineer" the car, switching to trick weber carbs etc. Usually, this resulted in decreased performance and owner frustration and even total failure. The most important thing that goes along with this is writing everything down. If you have a solid working baseline that is documented once working, only then can new changes be measured and accurately tested. Keep it simple and everything that can be measured should be written down. It makes getting back to that baseline pretty easy. Baby steps. Slow and steady wins the race. P.S. What's the spot price today on GT6 scrap? FGR is always buying. Hang in there bud, it really could be much worse. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ___________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From BillDentin at aol.com Fri May 4 13:42:13 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 15:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... Message-ID: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> Amici... Shirley and I stayed over night in Buford, GA on Sunday, and left for points north on Monday morning. Just below Knoxville, TN, in the Appellation foothills, we had a violent blowout on one of the trailer tires. There was a hole I could put my fist through. Thank God it was on driver's right, and not the traffic side, as there was little or no shoulder to make repairs. The biggest issue was getting the trailer high enough to get the wheel off and a spare on. The loaded trailer is at least 6,000 pounds, and my jack, while rated for 4,000 pounds, does not operate (roll) all that well in the gravel/grass.. I sure did not want to have to unload the race car out there on the highway in order to raise the trailer. So I used a jack stand to maintain lift, while taking four or five separate bites and lifts with my jack. It was a big deal, but I finally got it up high enough, and after that it was a piece of cake. We bought two new trailer tires in Knoxville, and were on our way. Back home now, I think I'll buy two more tires for the other side. I usually cover my trailer tires when it is standing for any length of time. These tires looked great, had plenty of tread, but were manufactured in 2002 and 2004. Obviously age is an issue. No one has to tell me that. That same evening we stopped overnight in Frankfort, KY, just in time for a two hour tornado scare (sirens the whole time). The sky looked very bad. We did see trailing funnel clouds, but as far as I know none of them touched ground. Shades of TRIUMPH at Hallet a few years back. Racing is sure exciting. Bill Dentinger From jason at multivintage.com Fri May 4 14:05:46 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:05:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: Yellow 04... Always at the front of the pack! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 13:57:59 To: marty sukey; ; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? What the heck you guys waiting for? My autopsy is complete, and a couple of key bits are getting crack checked as we speak. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: ; "FOT" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >I feel your pain brother.... Of course it sounds like Henry is halfway > through his rebuild and I haven't even taken my car off the trailer yet > :) > > Marty > > > >> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:48:05 -0700 >> From: igofaster at att.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] blog? >> >> okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? >> >> I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... >> >> Bobby >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri May 4 15:01:05 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 16:01:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, Several sources claim that keeping heat in the headers causes the gases to exit the system faster due to decreased density. I haven't pursued the science behind this. One header wrap vendor says hotter exhaust gases are like hotter liquids that lose their viscosity as they heat up, creating less resistance to flow. I'm not sure I buy that explanation. We would probably all accept the claim that the velocity of gas flow is important on the intake side of an engine, although we would also agree that higher density (cooler=denser) of the incoming charge is good too. Whatever the true cause, Cool Concepts Performance Coatings goes so far as to cite dyno tests (but I didn't spot any graphs or explanation of test conditions there). From their website: "Dyno tests have revealed power gains of 8-10 hp in a 550 hp engine. This is mainly due to the heat barriers trapping heat inside the header pipes and increasing exhaust velocity. It was also acknowledged that more gains could be had when installed in an engine bay, where hot air robs power." Presumably the latter refers to the heat from the headers causing the intake air to be hotter and therefore less dense. I'm using coated headers on both my race car and a street car. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 red #6 On May 4, 2012, at 7:38 AM, George Harmuth wrote: > > Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let > the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. > Less pressure == better flow? From jason at multivintage.com Fri May 4 15:39:29 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 16:39:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 rotors? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FGR here! I've got em if you need them... I'll meet you off 294 someplace if you don't get any better offers. Jason Call me if you want them (312) 208 5227 On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: > Does anyone in the Western Michigan area have a spare GT6 rotor they'd like > to part with? Looks like I might have a slightly warped rotor. We're at > Gingerman running the VSCDA weekend. > > Scott > > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > www.mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri May 4 16:41:28 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 18:41:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The Autopsy is complete Message-ID: Many people offered condolences at the Mitty for my broken motor, and asked what happened. A 10 year old Carillo rod broke at the small end. No discoloration at all, it did not get hot. Sitting on top of the windage tray was the remains of the small end of the rod, broken at the oil hole on each side. As opposed to being a round hole you insert the piston pin in, it is now almost flat. The surface the bushing presses into on the small end, and the #2 piston pin and appear to be perfect, indicating the small end bush did not fail. The Moldex passed the crack check, so life goes on. :-) Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri May 4 16:56:20 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 18:56:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... References: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> Message-ID: <4AFCED2F6CDC4711BA319CA7D3C12DCF@owner8914bbf7f> Bill, I carry (but haven't used yet!) a thing called a trailer buddy, I think. Just a small ramp. In case of a flat, put the ramp in front of the good tire and pull the trailer onto it. The flat tire just dangles there and can easily be changed. Be sure to loosen the lug nuts first. You can make one yourself using some 2 X 8s, but they are heavy. Also useful when greasing wheel bearings. Note to any PRDA members: This will NOT work on single axle trailer! (A little humor) Bill---- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 3:42 PM Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... > Amici... > > Shirley and I stayed over night in Buford, GA on Sunday, and left for > points north on Monday morning. Just below Knoxville, TN, in the > Appellation > foothills, we had a violent blowout on one of the trailer tires. There > was a > hole I could put my fist through. Thank God it was on driver's right, and > not the traffic side, as there was little or no shoulder to make repairs. > > The biggest issue was getting the trailer high enough to get the wheel off > and a spare on. The loaded trailer is at least 6,000 pounds, and my jack, > while rated for 4,000 pounds, does not operate (roll) all that well in the > gravel/grass.. I sure did not want to have to unload the race car out > there > on the highway in order to raise the trailer. So I used a jack stand to > maintain lift, while taking four or five separate bites and lifts with my > jack. > It was a big deal, but I finally got it up high enough, and after that it > was a piece of cake. We bought two new trailer tires in Knoxville, and > were > on our way. Back home now, I think I'll buy two more tires for the other > side. I usually cover my trailer tires when it is standing for any length > of > time. These tires looked great, had plenty of tread, but were > manufactured > in 2002 and 2004. Obviously age is an issue. No one has to tell me that. > > > That same evening we stopped overnight in Frankfort, KY, just in time for > a > two hour tornado scare (sirens the whole time). The sky looked very bad. > We did see trailing funnel clouds, but as far as I know none of them > touched > ground. Shades of TRIUMPH at Hallet a few years back. > > Racing is sure exciting. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From billdentin at aol.com Fri May 4 17:12:01 2012 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 19:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... In-Reply-To: <4AFCED2F6CDC4711BA319CA7D3C12DCF@owner8914bbf7f> References: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> <4AFCED2F6CDC4711BA319CA7D3C12DCF@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: <8CEF862724EBF6E-86C-F986@webmail-d141.sysops.aol.com> Bill, I carry (but haven't used yet!) a thing called a trailer buddy, I hink. Just a small ramp. In case of a flat, put the ramp in front of the od tire and pull the trailer onto it. The flat tire just dangles there and easily be changed. e sure to loosen the lug nuts first. Bill... What a super idea. I will add that to my 'stuff'. Thanks. Bill From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri May 4 18:16:19 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 19:16:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... In-Reply-To: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> References: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> Message-ID: Bill, Sorry to hear about your tire troubles. I had a similar incident with my trailer last Nov. Great tread but 2005 build date. Blew one at 65 mph with two TR 4's on board. I pulled the trailer up onto a stack of 2x8's I packed. That saved the day. I was close to a truck tire store and I had it fixed quickly but within 10 miles smother tire had the treads separate. I got lucky because I was stopping for lunch and checked the tires. They sell special plastic thingies to do the same thing. I'll buy one as soon as I get over the price of four new trailer tires. .....,,,and I got an envelope from you today..... very classy on your part, thank you. Glad the two of you made it home safe. Bob Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2012, at 2:42 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Shirley and I stayed over night in Buford, GA on Sunday, and left for > points north on Monday morning. Just below Knoxville, TN, in the Appellation > foothills, we had a violent blowout on one of the trailer tires. There was a > hole I could put my fist through. Thank God it was on driver's right, and > not the traffic side, as there was little or no shoulder to make repairs. > > The biggest issue was getting the trailer high enough to get the wheel off > and a spare on. The loaded trailer is at least 6,000 pounds, and my jack, > while rated for 4,000 pounds, does not operate (roll) all that well in the > gravel/grass.. I sure did not want to have to unload the race car out there > on the highway in order to raise the trailer. So I used a jack stand to > maintain lift, while taking four or five separate bites and lifts with my jack. > It was a big deal, but I finally got it up high enough, and after that it > was a piece of cake. We bought two new trailer tires in Knoxville, and were > on our way. Back home now, I think I'll buy two more tires for the other > side. I usually cover my trailer tires when it is standing for any length of > time. These tires looked great, had plenty of tread, but were manufactured > in 2002 and 2004. Obviously age is an issue. No one has to tell me that. > > > That same evening we stopped overnight in Frankfort, KY, just in time for a > two hour tornado scare (sirens the whole time). The sky looked very bad. > We did see trailing funnel clouds, but as far as I know none of them touched > ground. Shades of TRIUMPH at Hallet a few years back. From jason at multivintage.com Fri May 4 18:48:01 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 00:48:01 +0000 Subject: [Fot] The Autopsy is complete Message-ID: Yes, A classic case of "to fast of a driver". ------Original Message------ From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The Autopsy is complete Sent: May 4, 2012 5:41 PM Many people offered condolences at the Mitty for my broken motor, and asked what happened. A 10 year old Carillo rod broke at the small end. No discoloration at all, it did not get hot. Sitting on top of the windage tray was the remains of the small end of the rod, broken at the oil hole on each side. As opposed to being a round hole you insert the piston pin in, it is now almost flat. The surface the bushing presses into on the small end, and the #2 piston pin and appear to be perfect, indicating the small end bush did not fail. The Moldex passed the crack check, so life goes on. :-) Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri May 4 18:54:01 2012 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 00:54:01 GMT Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... Message-ID: <20120504.205401.5969.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Bill what brand of tire blew out? I had a Goodyear Marathon blow out about 10 years ago. Bought a set of them a couple years later, since I did not trust the remaining ones. Last year I decided that they were old enough and it was time to replace them, even though they still looked good. The Goodyears are all now made in China and I found very few trailer tires made in the US. The reviews on the US tires were not very good and they seemed as bad as the china bombs. I bought a set of Maxxis tires, which are made in Taiwan. Not sure if they will be better than the tires from China, but the reviews were good. Seems like one of the keys is to buy tires that are well over the capacity than what what is needed. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 15:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Amici... Shirley and I stayed over night in Buford, GA on Sunday, and left for points north on Monday morning. Just below Knoxville, TN, in the Appellation foothills, we had a violent blowout on one of the trailer tires. There was a hole I could put my fist through. Thank God it was on driver's right, and not the traffic side, as there was little or no shoulder to make repairs. The biggest issue was getting the trailer high enough to get the wheel off and a spare on. The loaded trailer is at least 6,000 pounds, and my jack, while rated for 4,000 pounds, does not operate (roll) all that well in the gravel/grass.. I sure did not want to have to unload the race car out there on the highway in order to raise the trailer. So I used a jack stand to maintain lift, while taking four or five separate bites and lifts with my jack. It was a big deal, but I finally got it up high enough, and after that it was a piece of cake. We bought two new trailer tires in Knoxville, and were on our way. Back home now, I think I'll buy two more tires for the other side. I usually cover my trailer tires when it is standing for any length of time. These tires looked great, had plenty of tread, but were manufactured in 2002 and 2004. Obviously age is an issue. No one has to tell me that. That same evening we stopped overnight in Frankfort, KY, just in time for a two hour tornado scare (sirens the whole time). The sky looked very bad. We did see trailing funnel clouds, but as far as I know none of them touched ground. Shades of TRIUMPH at Hallet a few years back. Racing is sure exciting. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 From igofaster at att.net Fri May 4 18:57:10 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 17:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1336179430.55439.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> yes... I need rehab and TheRaPy... Bobby ________________________________ From: john hasty To: Bob Kramer ; Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Fri, May 4, 2012 10:11:37 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] blog? Yea Bobby, that's called group FoT TheRaPy...... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:30 AM To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? The first step is to recognize that you are not alone. Stuff breaks in racing and that is something we share with drivers outside the Triumph community. Yes the Porsche guys are more dependable, but for every one of those there is some guy like you and me thrashing on our Corvair, Fiat, MaGgot, FV or some other labor of love. Keep up the love! Sent from my iPhone On May 3, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? > > I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From bownes at seiri.com Fri May 4 19:14:42 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 21:14:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The MITTY...reprise... In-Reply-To: <8CEF862724EBF6E-86C-F986@webmail-d141.sysops.aol.com> References: <3d31.2d606dbc.3cd58b14@aol.com> <4AFCED2F6CDC4711BA319CA7D3C12DCF@owner8914bbf7f> <8CEF862724EBF6E-86C-F986@webmail-d141.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9903D9EA-85E1-4CD6-98A9-C4FECC6E4080@seiri.com> I've always used a curb. :) On May 4, 2012, at 19:12, billdentin at aol.com wrote: > Bill, I carry (but haven't used yet!) a thing called a trailer buddy, I > hink. Just a small ramp. In case of a flat, put the ramp in front of the > od tire and pull the trailer onto it. The flat tire just dangles there and > easily be changed. > e sure to loosen the lug nuts first. > Bill... > What a super idea. I will add that to my 'stuff'. > Thanks. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From sjanzen at me.com Fri May 4 20:44:37 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 04 May 2012 22:44:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? - Correction on Racing Shop References: Message-ID: Somebody pointed out to me that I had the wrong shop referenced below as offering GT6 expertise. I meant to say Vintage Racing Services, which has some former Group 44 guys and recently built Studdard's Group 44 GT6 motor. On May 4, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: Yep, it's taken me years to sort out (and not done yet) my GT6. Mostly that's cuz I do it myself and learn by trial and error. I'm also undoing 40 years of accumulated "fixes" by past owners, decayed parts, etc. if I didn't like this aspect and/or had cubic dollars, there are one or two GT6 experts out there who could figure it out - New England Classic Car Co comes to mind. You really just have to decide what you enjoy or don't enjoy. If the history and ambiance of vintage don't outweigh the heartache and aggravation, there's always the German and Japanese crowd, or D sports racers. From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri May 4 21:27:08 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from indexing plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat May 5 02:45:21 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:45:21 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What does indexing mean? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: sherry robyn Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 To: Friends Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from indexing plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sat May 5 04:53:00 2012 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don TR) Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 06:53:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs References: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120505100625.1C1122D0B60@autox.team.net> Message-ID: This link can explan what it is. http://dodgeram.org/tech/gas/spark_plugs/s_plug%20_indexing.htm ------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "sherry robyn" ; ; "Friends" Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs > What does indexing mean? > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: sherry robyn > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 > To: Friends > Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from > indexing > plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat May 5 04:56:10 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 12:56:10 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: References: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120505100625.1C1122D0B60@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000901cd2aad$b13d3620$13b7a260$@com> Ah, I see, thank you. Not for my engine - I have 4 electrodes per plug. :-) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Don TR [mailto:58tr3a at videotron.ca] Gesendet: Samstag, 5. Mai 2012 12:53 An: tr4racing at googlemail.com; sherry robyn; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; Friends Betreff: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs This link can explan what it is. http://dodgeram.org/tech/gas/spark_plugs/s_plug%20_indexing.htm ------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "sherry robyn" ; ; "Friends" Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs > What does indexing mean? > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: sherry robyn > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 > To: Friends > Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from > indexing > plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sat May 5 06:09:56 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 08:09:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] spit throttle bale bracket Message-ID: <4FA51894.7050806@cfl.rr.com> Does anyone have a throttle cable (at the carbs) bracket assembly from a 1500 spit they would like to sell? thxx, Bob From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat May 5 06:17:40 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:17:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: <20120505100627.D90612D0B82@autox.team.net> References: <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120505100627.D90612D0B82@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Making the open end of the electrods all point to the intake valves Sent from my iPhone On May 5, 2012, at 4:45 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > What does indexing mean? > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: sherry robyn > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 > To: Friends > Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from indexing > plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat May 5 08:25:28 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 09:25:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header In-Reply-To: <1578014552.15299.1336153672106.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <70B467EE01574187889CF0945A328986@kramerde634093> Maybe I should look into modifying the Hookers. They sit about that much below the frame and the current set tucks in nicely. I'd have to dyno test them to be sure, but with equal length and big tubes they may be as good as anything out there. My seat tells me they are worth some HP. -----Original Message----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:48 PM To: Bob Kramer Cc: George Harmuth; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header We ( TR4 drivers ) really need a good header fabricator. My dealings with Stahl have been less than satisfactory. They don't normally build TR4 headers so you kind of have to catch them at the right moment to get it done. I'm quite certain the next set I need I'll build myself. jim g _____ From: "Bob Kramer" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: "George Harmuth" , fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 11:40:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header I have a couple of equal tube length Hooker headers that seem to work really well on my car but stick out the bottom too far. I've bounced them off the floor and cracked them a few times. I switched what may be a Monza because I had it floating around the garage. I noticed the power loss. Thankfully Road Atlanta allowed a lot more momentum carrying than TX World. I should probably source a new TR4A header rather than scrounge up used stuff. Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2012, at 10:40 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Go with the ceramic coating, there is no justification other than budget to not coat it. > > They all claim to improve the flow. My experience with Stahl is mixed for the TR4/IRS. > > I had to mo dify my frame ( not so for the live axle car ) The general weld and bend quality > > was good but fit up to the head was poor. Mine is coated inside & out and engine bay > > temps were reduced. > > just my .02 > > jim g > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "George Harmuth" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 6:38:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 9-Stahl header > > "the use of a Stahl in a Spitfire also requires some pretty > good changes to the frame and right-side suspension upright. > > Thanks for the info everyone. My bell housing has a large notch in it and > the frame rail looks like the flange was beat into submission sometime in > the distant past. I'll bet there was a Stahl header installed by a PO. If > not, I have a good start on the mods to put one on now. > Follow up question, ceramic coating or not? My thinking is not to coat, let > the gas cool quickly and contract, reducing the volume and back pressure. > Less pressure == better flow? > > thanks > mike h > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sat May 5 13:02:56 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 15:02:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: Hello, I'd like to nominate for membership in our non-organization Scott Starkweather and Fred Knight. They are building a Spitfire for road racing and will need our help. Email addresses are: sstarkweather at vbisd.org and fknight at vbisd.org Thanks! Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat May 5 13:53:16 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 14:53:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Second! Tony At 02:02 PM 5/5/2012, Barr, Scott wrote: >Hello, > >I'd like to nominate for membership in our non-organization Scott >Starkweather and Fred Knight. They are building a Spitfire for road racing >and will need our help. > >Email addresses are: sstarkweather at vbisd.org and fknight at vbisd.org > >Thanks! > > >Scott Barr >McCarty Law LLP >(920) 257-2233 >www.mccarty-law.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat May 5 14:19:31 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 16:19:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Second, love to have more Spitfires to share my uh experiences with. Don't know that I'll be much help :) Welcome guys! Marty > From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com > To: fot at autox.team.net; nomination at autox.team.net; sstarkweather at vbisd.org > Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 15:02:56 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > Hello, > > I'd like to nominate for membership in our non-organization Scott > Starkweather and Fred Knight. They are building a Spitfire for road racing > and will need our help. > > Email addresses are: sstarkweather at vbisd.org and fknight at vbisd.org > > Thanks! > > > Scott Barr > McCarty Law LLP > (920) 257-2233 > www.mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Sat May 5 15:00:32 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 17:00:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5e20b449-deae-4853-af32-4d4469bf9a26@blur> They were not dissuaded by the sight of me rolling around under No49Blue pulling the pan to find a bunch of brass/bronze shavings in there (seriously - where the heck would that come from?). This proves they have no sense and will fit in nicely. Scott Scott Barr McCarty Law LLP (920) 257-2233 www.mccarty-law.com -----Original message----- From: marty sukey To: "Barr, Scott" , FOT , nomination at autox.team.net, sstarkweather at vbisd.org Sent: Sat, May 5, 2012 20:19:31 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination From Catpusher at aol.com Sat May 5 16:28:38 2012 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 18:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Subject: Indexing plugs Message-ID: <1fa1f.9c8ef69.3cd70396@aol.com> We could not measure any change, and we run popups and a high CR; we went to MSD and then Electromotive and ran to 7200RPM with our TR3. TR Regards, Hardy In a message dated 5/5/2012 3:07:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: From: sherry robyn To: Friends Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from indexing plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? From sjanzen at me.com Sat May 5 17:44:31 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 19:44:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit Message-ID: <0228E310-8FE8-4F4B-8E91-15C884F146F4@me.com> looking at the registration, I see some of the big Triumphs in Group 1 and some in Group 3. Any logic? I picked Group 3 cuz I didn't want to run with all the Porsches. From mark at bradakis.com Sat May 5 18:28:04 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 18:28:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FA5C594.2040405@bradakis.com> Thanks for including their email addresses. A lot of people don't seem to realize that to add an email address to the list I need an email address ;-) They are on. mjb. From igofaster at att.net Sat May 5 19:08:37 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 18:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: marty sukey ; igofaster at att.net; FOT Sent: Fri, May 4, 2012 12:58:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? What the heck you guys waiting for? My autopsy is complete, and a couple of key bits are getting crack checked as we speak. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" To: ; "FOT" Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >I feel your pain brother.... Of course it sounds like Henry is halfway > through his rebuild and I haven't even taken my car off the trailer yet > :) > > Marty > > > >> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 19:48:05 -0700 >> From: igofaster at att.net >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] blog? >> >> okay.. you guys accepted me as a member... can we have group therapy now? >> >> I'm sad at the moment... I need FoT TheRaPy... discuss..... >> >> Bobby >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow04 at tr4racer.com From kaskas at cox.net Sat May 5 19:57:37 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 01:57:37 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: References: , <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <20120505100627.D90612D0B82@autox.team.net>, Message-ID: Indexing to me was making sure that the ground electrode was not in a position where the piston could not close the gap and kill the engine. More Power? You're kidding! TR-3,4 engines do not have that problem unless you run a pop-up. Never be beaten by equipment > From: jhhasty at gdhs.com > Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:17:40 -0400 > To: tr4racing at googlemail.com > CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > Making the open end of the electrods all point to the intake valves > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 5, 2012, at 4:45 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > > > What does indexing mean? > > > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sherry robyn > > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 > > To: Friends > > Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > > > Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from > indexing > > plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sun May 6 05:09:20 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 07:09:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> Bobby, You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. :-) BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength in numbers. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun May 6 07:09:51 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 09:09:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit References: <0228E310-8FE8-4F4B-8E91-15C884F146F4@me.com> Message-ID: <34C6936876A04A9CAFD250D4EE750188@owner8914bbf7f> Hi Scott, I saw that too, unfortunately. I'm going to try and get into Group 3 with you. I don't do well against 911's and 914-6's! The VRG guys are pretty good about putting someone in a different class. Last year I started out in a group that included Mike Zappa's GT40; that didn't last long. They put me in different group and I had a great time. I'm heading down on Wed. the 16th. See you there. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 7:44 PM Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit > looking at the registration, I see some of the big Triumphs in Group 1 and > some in Group 3. Any logic? I picked Group 3 cuz I didn't want to run > with all the Porsches. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From igofaster at att.net Sun May 6 08:10:43 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 07:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks Henry! Bobby ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Bobby, You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. :-) BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength in numbers. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- >From: Bobby Whitehead >To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com >Cc: FoT Triumph >Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > >dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of >a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby From igofaster at att.net Sun May 6 08:19:05 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 07:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com welcome aboard Chuck! BGW From mediehljr at yahoo.com Sun May 6 09:13:36 2012 From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 08:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: References: , <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <20120505100627.D90612D0B82@autox.team.net>, Message-ID: <1336317216.69025.YahooMailNeo@web39305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey, Kas, you are right on that. We never even gave a thought to power increase, unless you consider closed up plug gaps a power problem. Hope you are doing well. Cheers, Ed. Ed Diehl ________________________________ From: Kas Kastner To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; MadMarx Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2012 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs Indexing to me was making sure that the ground electrode was not in a position where the piston could not close the gap and kill the engine. More Power? You're kidding! TR-3,4 engines do not have that problem unless you run a pop-up. Never be beaten by equipment > From: jhhasty at gdhs.com > Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:17:40 -0400 > To: tr4racing at googlemail.com > CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > Making the open end of the electrods all point to the intake valves > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 5, 2012, at 4:45 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > > > What does indexing mean? > > > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sherry robyn > > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 > > To: Friends > > Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs > > > > Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from > indexing > > plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mediehljr at yahoo.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun May 6 09:54:46 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 10:54:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> Henry's comment got me looking for "what, are you yellow?" quotes but I found these interesting tidbits instead. You ladies need to stick together and quitting is not an option! I wonder what my red car with blue stripes says about me? I've had my share of being vanquished....... Blue is the male principle, stern and spiritual. Yellow the female principle, gentle, cheerful and sensual. Red is matter, brutal and heavy and always the colour which must be fought and vanquished by the other two. Franz Marc Fear has nothing to do with cowardice. A fellow is only yellow when he lets his fear make him quit. Jerome Cady Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks > Henry! Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: FoT Triumph > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > > Bobby, > > You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... > > Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped > with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. > > :-) > > BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength > in numbers. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com >> Cc: FoT Triumph >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >> >> >> dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of >> a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun May 6 10:00:27 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 11:00:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit In-Reply-To: <34C6936876A04A9CAFD250D4EE750188@owner8914bbf7f> References: <0228E310-8FE8-4F4B-8E91-15C884F146F4@me.com> <34C6936876A04A9CAFD250D4EE750188@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: <3ABCB876-A9AC-4160-98AB-B1E8AA1071CC@austin.rr.com> Those of us in TX racing TR4's and GT6's with CVAR are always grouped with 911 and 914-6's. It us great fun to finish ahead of them but with the stretching of the rules that seems so prevalent in vintage racing these says the Porsches keep getting faster and faster. I often push my car harder than I want to. I have to admit the fun factor is dropping faster than a 911 at the end of the NASCAR straight at TWS. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 8:09 AM, "william r tobin" wrote: > Hi Scott, I saw that too, unfortunately. I'm going to try and get into Group 3 with you. I don't do well against 911's and 914-6's! > The VRG guys are pretty good about putting someone in a different class. Last year I started out in a group that included Mike Zappa's GT40; that didn't last long. They put me in different group and I had a great time. > I'm heading down on Wed. the 16th. See you there. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" > To: "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" > Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 7:44 PM > Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit > > >> looking at the registration, I see some of the big Triumphs in Group 1 and some in Group 3. Any logic? I picked Group 3 cuz I didn't want to run with all the Porsches. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun May 6 12:14:43 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 14:14:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jefferson 500 group Message-ID: <8BBCC74110DC406A9269C40DA309B544@owner8914bbf7f> Scott Janzen and Bob Kramer: here's the good news. Last year I was in the paddock next to Jim's Pinto (yes, Pinto...fast car) and his friend Kris with a 2002. Nice bunch of guys who like to enjoy themselves. Looking forward to a good weekend. I may go to BeaveRun this week for a shakedown cruise. It ran when I shut it off last fall; should run now! Actually, I'm going over the car even as we speak. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Karamanis To: william r tobin Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re: Jefferson 500 group Bill, Not a problem, 16 / Marlboro it is. Look forward to hanging out again! See ya soon. Jim ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: william r tobin To: jim at vrgonline.org Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 9:20 AM Subject: Jefferson 500 group Hi Jim, how's everything? Way busy up here, even with being retired. I checked the entry list for the 500 and saw I'm in group 1 with 911's and 914-6's. I get eaten alive by those guys. Any chance of getting into group 3, the Marlboro bunch? I may be able to keep up with some of them! Scott Janzen is #61 in a GT-6; I could use a strip of black duct tape and be #16. I think #6 is already taken. Thanks. See you in a couple weeks. Bill Tobin TR6 Not blazingly fast but having fun! From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sun May 6 13:47:38 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 12:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1336333658.36438.YahooMailNeo@web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hooray for the Yellow cars! Should we start our own secret unorganized FOT sub chapter? Mike ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Bobby, You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. :-) BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength in numbers. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From igofaster at att.net Sun May 6 14:02:16 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 13:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? Bobby THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Cc: Chuck Watson Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com welcome aboard Chuck! BGW _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sun May 6 14:02:20 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 13:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hey Bob, I may be gentle, cheerful and sensual but my car has been the fastest with the yellow paint on it! BTW, I saw Greg's video; nice drive! Mike ________________________________ From: Bob Kramer To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Henry's comment got me looking for "what, are you yellow?" quotes but I found these interesting tidbits instead. You ladies need to stick together and quitting is not an option! I wonder what my red car with blue stripes says about me? I've had my share of being vanquished....... Blue is the male principle, stern and spiritual. Yellow the female principle, gentle, cheerful and sensual. Red is matter, brutal and heavy and always the colour which must be fought and vanquished by the other two. Franz Marc Fear has nothing to do with cowardice. A fellow is only yellow when he lets his fear make him quit. Jerome Cady Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks > Henry! Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: FoT Triumph > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > > Bobby, > > You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... > > Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped > with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. > > :-) > > BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength > in numbers. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com >> Cc: FoT Triumph >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >> >> >> dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of >> a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sun May 6 15:04:19 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sun, 06 May 2012 17:04:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: I'll second that nomination. Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad Bobby Whitehead wrote: >can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? > >Bobby > >THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... > > > > >________________________________ >From: Bobby Whitehead >To: FoT Triumph >Cc: Chuck Watson >Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM >Subject: [Fot] Nomination > >I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta >when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go >vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need >the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead > >Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com > >welcome aboard Chuck! > >BGW >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun May 6 15:35:56 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 16:35:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <69218DF6-E63F-4C0B-A549-5407F12E022B@austin.rr.com> It does seem that yellow means fast for a Triumph. I'm going to build a Devin TR3. Dare I paint it yellow? That race with Greg was the first time for us. TR3's can run in an historic group at CVAR. I think Greg will make the jump into 911 country after the fun we had. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Mike Munson wrote: > Hey Bob, > > I may be gentle, cheerful and sensual but my car has been the fastest with the yellow paint on it! > BTW, I saw Greg's video; nice drive! > > Mike > > From: Bob Kramer > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: FoT Triumph > Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > Henry's comment got me looking for "what, are you yellow?" quotes but I found > these interesting tidbits instead. You ladies need to stick together and > quitting is not an option! > > I wonder what my red car with blue stripes says about me? I've had my share of > being vanquished....... > > > Blue is the male principle, stern and spiritual. Yellow the female principle, > gentle, cheerful and sensual. Red is matter, brutal and heavy and always the > colour which must be fought and vanquished by the other two. > Franz Marc > > Fear has nothing to do with cowardice. A fellow is only yellow when he lets > his fear make him quit. > Jerome Cady > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > > yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks > > Henry! Bobby > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" > > To: Bobby Whitehead > > Cc: FoT Triumph > > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > > > > > Bobby, > > > > You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... > > > > Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has > escaped > > with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. > > > > :-) > > > > BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is > strength > > in numbers. > > > > Henry > > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Bobby Whitehead > >> To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com > >> Cc: FoT Triumph > >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > >> > >> > >> dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then > all of > >> a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun May 6 15:38:41 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 16:38:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5A71ECFC-84D8-4C10-8147-28C81748B44B@austin.rr.com> I think we are all waiting for another GT6 guy to second. I once sat it a GT6, so I'll jump in here and second it. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? > > Bobby > > THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bobby Whitehead > To: FoT Triumph > Cc: Chuck Watson > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM > Subject: [Fot] Nomination > > I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta > when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go > vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need > the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead > > Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com > > welcome aboard Chuck! > > BGW > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sun May 6 15:40:35 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 14:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1336340435.46794.YahooMailNeo@web46101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Second! Jeesh! Another 6 cylinder sicko. ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? Bobby THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Cc: Chuck Watson Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com welcome aboard Chuck! BGW _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun May 6 15:46:24 2012 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 16:46:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701cd2bd1$afe593b0$0fb0bb10$@rr.com> It was a part of my evil plan to be behind Bob with two laps to go then we hit lap traffic. Bob got by going into turn 3 and I did not. I got John coming up out of the esses but did not get the Blue TR4 until turn 8. Bob used that to his advantage and put too big a gap between us. All in all a blast of a race. I think we swapped for 11th 5 times. The link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trZP5H8IsUQ&feature=g-upl -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Munson Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 3:02 PM To: Bob Kramer; Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Hey Bob, I may be gentle, cheerful and sensual but my car has been the fastest with the yellow paint on it! BTW, I saw Greg's video; nice drive! Mike ________________________________ From: Bob Kramer To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Henry's comment got me looking for "what, are you yellow?" quotes but I found these interesting tidbits instead. You ladies need to stick together and quitting is not an option! I wonder what my red car with blue stripes says about me? I've had my share of being vanquished....... Blue is the male principle, stern and spiritual. Yellow the female principle, gentle, cheerful and sensual. Red is matter, brutal and heavy and always the colour which must be fought and vanquished by the other two. Franz Marc Fear has nothing to do with cowardice. A fellow is only yellow when he lets his fear make him quit. Jerome Cady Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks > Henry! Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: FoT Triumph > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? > > > Bobby, > > You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... > > Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped > with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. > > :-) > > BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength > in numbers. > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com >> Cc: FoT Triumph >> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >> >> >> dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of >> a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4978 - Release Date: 05/04/12 From rjohns at woh.rr.com Sun May 6 15:51:45 2012 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 17:51:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Indexing of spark plug electrodes Message-ID: Fot team list: For those of you that want to orient the placement of the electrodes, I have left over from my "Autolite racing spark plug engineering" days, an few solid 14 mm spark plug gaskets. I had the thicker ones made for just such a purpose, as electrode placement and /or proper end of thread body location. They are of two thickness'. I have the most of .137" and some of .067" thickness. They, of course, can be thinned to what ever thickness you need. The .067 were intended to be used as is, and are basically the normal spark plug gasket thickness. Free for the asking. I have no use for them any more. Bob Johns From jason at multivintage.com Sun May 6 16:47:12 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 22:47:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1336340435.46794.YahooMailNeo@web46101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336340435.46794.YahooMailNeo@web46101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yeah, I'll second too. I met the guy, nice fellow. I already told him he was nuts. He will need lots of help building a safe car from scratch. But he seemed pretty confident, and knowledgable. I love the idea. It should probably be yellow. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sun, 6 May 2012 14:40:35 To: Bobby Whitehead; FoT Triumph Reply-To: Mike Munson Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Second! Jeesh! Another 6 cylinder sicko. ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? Bobby THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: FoT Triumph Cc: Chuck Watson Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road Atlanta when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously need the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby Whitehead Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com welcome aboard Chuck! BGW _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sun May 6 17:49:48 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 19:49:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <69218DF6-E63F-4C0B-A549-5407F12E022B@austin.rr.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local> <1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336313443.38507.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <22F06685-5FCD-4760-8739-8CCC4BF01D8D@austin.rr.com> <1336334540.68540.YahooMailNeo@web46108.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <69218DF6-E63F-4C0B-A549-5407F12E022B@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: Good Lord you guys, My , Larry's , 3 is not only yellow, it's 1972. Chrysler yellow & came from your part of the country... So it must be male, not female! Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > It does seem that yellow means fast for a Triumph. I'm going to build a Devin > TR3. Dare I paint it yellow? > > That race with Greg was the first time for us. TR3's can run in an historic > group at CVAR. I think Greg will make the jump into 911 country after the fun > we had. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Mike Munson wrote: > >> Hey Bob, >> >> I may be gentle, cheerful and sensual but my car has been the fastest with > the yellow paint on it! >> BTW, I saw Greg's video; nice drive! >> >> Mike >> >> From: Bob Kramer >> To: Bobby Whitehead >> Cc: FoT Triumph >> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 10:54 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >> >> Henry's comment got me looking for "what, are you yellow?" quotes but I > found >> these interesting tidbits instead. You ladies need to stick together and >> quitting is not an option! >> >> I wonder what my red car with blue stripes says about me? I've had my share > of >> being vanquished....... >> >> >> Blue is the male principle, stern and spiritual. Yellow the female > principle, >> gentle, cheerful and sensual. Red is matter, brutal and heavy and always > the >> colour which must be fought and vanquished by the other two. >> Franz Marc >> >> Fear has nothing to do with cowardice. A fellow is only yellow when he lets >> his fear make him quit. >> Jerome Cady >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 6, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >>> yesssssssssssssssssssss!!! good times and a good laugh...... thanks >>> Henry! Bobby >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" >>> To: Bobby Whitehead >>> Cc: FoT Triumph >>> Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 6:09:23 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >>> >>> >>> Bobby, >>> >>> You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... >>> >>> Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has >> escaped >>> with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is >> strength >>> in numbers. >>> >>> Henry >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Bobby Whitehead >>>> To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com >>>> Cc: FoT Triumph >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? >>>> >>>> >>>> dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and > then >> all of >>>> a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sun May 6 17:52:14 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 19:52:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <5A71ECFC-84D8-4C10-8147-28C81748B44B@austin.rr.com> References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5A71ECFC-84D8-4C10-8147-28C81748B44B@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <1E31F118-8138-45ED-814F-F5EB9C196364@gdhs.com> Shucks Kramer, you actually fit in a 6? Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > I think we are all waiting for another GT6 guy to second. I once sat it a GT6, > so I'll jump in here and second it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? >> >> Bobby >> >> THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Bobby Whitehead >> To: FoT Triumph >> Cc: Chuck Watson >> Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM >> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >> >> I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road > Atlanta >> when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go >> vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously > need >> the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby > Whitehead >> >> Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com >> >> welcome aboard Chuck! >> >> BGW >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun May 6 18:12:58 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 19:12:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <1E31F118-8138-45ED-814F-F5EB9C196364@gdhs.com> References: <1336313945.41309.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336334536.24713.YahooMailRC@web180801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5A71ECFC-84D8-4C10-8147-28C81748B44B@austin.rr.com> <1E31F118-8138-45ED-814F-F5EB9C196364@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <36CEA178-73A9-4040-9F58-412AEE9B947E@austin.rr.com> Not really. At the K-cup we held at Hallett a number if years ago, while I was building my current car, I had the opportunity to "borrow" a GT6 for the Triumph race. I squeezed in but couldn't get my leg from gas to brake pedal cleanly. Once I realized it was a no-go they nearly had to cut the roof off to get me out. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2012, at 6:52 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Shucks Kramer, you actually fit in a 6? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> I think we are all waiting for another GT6 guy to second. I once sat it a GT6, >> so I'll jump in here and second it. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 6, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >>> can I get a second this Sunday on Chuck Watson? >>> >>> Bobby >>> >>> THREE GT6's for goodness sake..... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Bobby Whitehead >>> To: FoT Triumph >>> Cc: Chuck Watson >>> Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 9:19:05 AM >>> Subject: [Fot] Nomination >>> >>> I would like to nominate to the group Chuck Watson. I meet him at Road >> Atlanta >>> when my GT-6+ was on 'display'... poor guy has THREE GT-6's and wants to go >>> vintage racing. He obviously is a friend of Triumph and he will obviously >> need >>> the input of you guys and gals to help with the TheRaPy... Bobby >> Whitehead >>> >>> Chuck Watson .. clw2000 at msn.com >>> >>> welcome aboard Chuck! >>> >>> BGW >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From trdoctor at aol.com Sun May 6 20:20:29 2012 From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark) Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 21:20:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob and all, Carol and I bought a '72 GT6 a couple of years ago. I am as big (if not bigger than Bob, even though I have lost about 60lbs in the past 6 months) and they are snug! With a bum knee I can get in ok but need a crane to get out. I autocrossed it at the South Central Regional last weekend and it was a real trip! Bob is right about finding the brake pedal. I have to wear the narrowest shoes I have to drive it. The New Balance won't cut it. I love the car but really don't fit. Maybe 20 more pounds. . . Missed you and Barbara at the Regional. Glad you had fun at the Mitty. Sam On May 6, 2012, at 7:12 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > From: Bob Kramer > To: John Hasty > Cc: FoT Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination > Message-ID: <36CEA178-73A9-4040-9F58-412AEE9B947E at austin.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Not really. At the K-cup we held at Hallett a number if years ago, while I was > building my current car, I had the opportunity to "borrow" a GT6 for the > Triumph race. I squeezed in but couldn't get my leg from gas to brake pedal > cleanly. Once I realized it was a no-go they nearly had to cut the roof off to > get me out. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2012, at 6:52 PM, John Hasty wrote: > >> Shucks Kramer, you actually fit in a 6? From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 7 05:49:06 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 07:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin In-Reply-To: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I would like to add Warren Aplin to the list. His note below will serve to introduce him, and to illustrate how delightfully disorganized we are. wgaplin at bellsouth.net What say ye? Another TR4. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Warren Aplin To: n197tr4 Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 10:55 am Subject: FOT Joe, It was great meeting you at Road Atlanta. I have a green TR 4 #66 (we blew the engine on Thursday) that did not get out of the box for race weekend. I was on the old pit side with Predator Performance; they maintain my car at the track. Needless to say it was a long weekend for my daughter and me. She was going to race with group 2 and I was going to run the Triumph events. My car now #66 is on the FOT website as #75 from several years and owners ago. I have owned it about six years now. I am told it is a Rick Klein car from the 60bs or 70bs. I only have log books back to the early 90bs ( think that is when it was resurrected. As I explained, I have tried to join the FOT and sent emails but never heard back. I have gone on the site numerous times. It appeared you guys had a lot of fun. I kind of wished I was on the other side of the pits with all the other Triumphs. I would like to be part of the FOT. There were stickers on the car when I bought it, it has since been repainted. I need more stickers. We are rebuilding the engine; I have a spare, but have been waiting for steel crank for months, so now we have two to build. Glenn Effinger out of Stuart, FL is the wrench. He does a great job. We will try to be ready for HSR Savannah in October. My name was on the shirt, (spelled wrong, but still cool). George Wright was kind enough to make one available to me, as I was not part of (did not know anything about) the preorder. It was much appreciated. I did get a signed poster, that was cool too. Thanks again Warren Aplin 2795 se ranch acres circle Jupiter, Florida 33478 561-748-8187, cell 954-520-8681 wgaplin at bellsouth.net From igofaster at att.net Mon May 7 06:56:40 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 05:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] another GT6 nomination Message-ID: <1336395400.31375.YahooMailRC@web180806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hey girls and boys... I meet Jay DePol from Stevensville Maryland at the Mitty.. he too would like to take it up a notch and try his hand a preparing a GT6 to race... even though I had bits and pieces of ... something on display,,,, he was not discouraged... my kind of guy.... TherApY needed.... Jay DePol kkjjk at aol.com is this a good idea or should we go ahead and put a bomb in the engine bay to get Jay through the initiation process? Bobby Whitehead From igofaster at att.net Mon May 7 07:01:46 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 06:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin In-Reply-To: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1336395706.34049.YahooMailRC@web180806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> 2nd! love D production Triumphs to chase! Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: wgaplin at bellsouth.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, May 7, 2012 7:54:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin FOT, I would like to add Warren Aplin to the list. His note below will serve to introduce him, and to illustrate how delightfully disorganized we are. wgaplin at bellsouth.net What say ye? Another TR4. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Warren Aplin To: n197tr4 Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 10:55 am Subject: FOT Joe, It was great meeting you at Road Atlanta. I have a green TR 4 #66 (we blew the engine on Thursday) that did not get out of the box for race weekend. I was on the old pit side with Predator Performance; they maintain my car at the track. Needless to say it was a long weekend for my daughter and me. She was going to race with group 2 and I was going to run the Triumph events. My car now #66 is on the FOT website as #75 from several years and owners ago. I have owned it about six years now. I am told it is a Rick Klein car from the 60bs or 70bs. I only have log books back to the early 90bs ( think that is when it was resurrected. As I explained, I have tried to join the FOT and sent emails but never heard back. I have gone on the site numerous times. It appeared you guys had a lot of fun. I kind of wished I was on the other side of the pits with all the other Triumphs. I would like to be part of the FOT. There were stickers on the car when I bought it, it has since been repainted. I need more stickers. We are rebuilding the engine; I have a spare, but have been waiting for steel crank for months, so now we have two to build. Glenn Effinger out of Stuart, FL is the wrench. He does a great job. We will try to be ready for HSR Savannah in October. My name was on the shirt, (spelled wrong, but still cool). George Wright was kind enough to make one available to me, as I was not part of (did not know anything about) the preorder. It was much appreciated. I did get a signed poster, that was cool too. Thanks again Warren Aplin 2795 se ranch acres circle Jupiter, Florida 33478 561-748-8187, cell 954-520-8681 wgaplin at bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon May 7 07:02:13 2012 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 06:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin In-Reply-To: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1336395733.97189.YahooMailNeo@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> second!!! I dont know why Warren isnt already on the list .... sounds like a great addition ... Welcome!!! Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: wgaplin at bellsouth.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin FOT, I would like to add Warren Aplin to the list. His note below will serve to introduce him, and to illustrate how delightfully disorganized we are. wgaplin at bellsouth.net What say ye? Another TR4. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Warren Aplin To: n197tr4 Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 10:55 am Subject: FOT Joe, It was great meeting you at Road Atlanta. I have a green TR 4 #66 (we blew the engine on Thursday) that did not get out of the box for race weekend. I was on the old pit side with Predator Performance; they maintain my car at the track. Needless to say it was a long weekend for my daughter and me. She was going to race with group 2 and I was going to run the Triumph events. My car now #66 is on the FOT website as #75 from several years and owners ago. I have owned it about six years now. I am told it is a Rick Klein car from the 60bs or 70bs. I only have log books back to the early 90bs ( think that is when it was resurrected. As I explained, I have tried to join the FOT and sent emails but never heard back. I have gone on the site numerous times. It appeared you guys had a lot of fun. I kind of wished I was on the other side of the pits with all the other Triumphs. I would like to be part of the FOT. There were stickers on the car when I bought it, it has since been repainted. I need more stickers. We are rebuilding the engine; I have a spare, but have been waiting for steel crank for months, so now we have two to build. Glenn Effinger out of Stuart, FL is the wrench. He does a great job. We will try to be ready for HSR Savannah in October. My name was on the shirt, (spelled wrong, but still cool). George Wright was kind enough to make one available to me, as I was not part of (did not know anything about) the preorder. It was much appreciated. I did get a signed poster, that was cool too. Thanks again Warren Aplin 2795 se ranch acres circle Jupiter, Florida 33478 561-748-8187, cell 954-520-8681 wgaplin at bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tstrange at sbcglobal.net From fubog1 at aol.com Mon May 7 07:04:32 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin In-Reply-To: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CEFA6913C9E130-12A4-B55@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> Heck I thought Warren was already on the list, second for sure. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: wgaplin Cc: fot Sent: Mon, May 7, 2012 8:54 am Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin FOT, I would like to add Warren Aplin to the list. His note below will serve to introduce him, and to illustrate how delightfully disorganized we are. wgaplin at bellsouth.net What say ye? Another TR4. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Warren Aplin To: n197tr4 Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 10:55 am Subject: FOT Joe, It was great meeting you at Road Atlanta. I have a green TR 4 #66 (we blew the engine on Thursday) that did not get out of the box for race weekend. I was on the old pit side with Predator Performance; they maintain my car at the track. Needless to say it was a long weekend for my daughter and me. She was going to race with group 2 and I was going to run the Triumph events. My car now #66 is on the FOT website as #75 from several years and owners ago. I have owned it about six years now. I am told it is a Rick Klein car from the 60bs or 70bs. I only have log books back to the early 90bs ( think that is when it was resurrected. As I explained, I have tried to join the FOT and sent emails but never heard back. I have gone on the site numerous times. It appeared you guys had a lot of fun. I kind of wished I was on the other side of the pits with all the other Triumphs. I would like to be part of the FOT. There were stickers on the car when I bought it, it has since been repainted. I need more stickers. We are rebuilding the engine; I have a spare, but have been waiting for steel crank for months, so now we have two to build. Glenn Effinger out of Stuart, FL is the wrench. He does a great job. We will try to be ready for HSR Savannah in October. My name was on the shirt, (spelled wrong, but still cool). George Wright was kind enough to make one available to me, as I was not part of (did not know anything about) the preorder. It was much appreciated. I did get a signed poster, that was cool too. Thanks again Warren Aplin 2795 se ranch acres circle Jupiter, Florida 33478 561-748-8187, cell 954-520-8681 wgaplin at bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon May 7 07:19:33 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin In-Reply-To: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net> <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: SECOND. Welcome! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon May 7 07:24:36 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:24:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] blog? In-Reply-To: <1336333658.36438.YahooMailNeo@web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336099685.60158.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><23FA8801718E4BA5AD01697BACEBB503@TRIUMPH.local><1336266517.1285.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><6EEB841D08074E55B0E013618F1BB691@TRIUMPH.local> <1336333658.36438.YahooMailNeo@web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good thought.....any idea what the secret hand shake should be? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Munson Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 3:48 PM To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com; Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Hooray for the Yellow cars! Should we start our own secret unorganized FOT sub chapter? Mike ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2012 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? Bobby, You do realize you have made it to the inner circle when that happens... Welcome to the fray. You are ours now, and I don't know anybody who has escaped with a sound mind and bank account!!! Enjoy the ride. :-) BTW, us guys racing yellow Triumphs need to stick together. There is strength in numbers. Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; trmarty at hotmail.com Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] blog? dang,.. hang with a guy for a few days and get to be friends and then all of a sudden he starts busting my balls....... Bobby _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon May 7 07:30:11 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:30:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin In-Reply-To: <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> References: <035601cd2ba0$a4a4adf0$edee09d0$@bellsouth.net>, <8CEFA5E8A574007-2738-6CD@webmail-d048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Second, anybody with a blown engine cant be all bad. Marty > To: wgaplin at bellsouth.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 07:49:06 -0400 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin > > FOT, > > I would like to add Warren Aplin to the list. His note below will serve to > introduce him, and to illustrate how delightfully disorganized we are. > wgaplin at bellsouth.net > > What say ye? Another TR4. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Warren Aplin > To: n197tr4 > Sent: Sun, May 6, 2012 10:55 am > Subject: FOT > > > > Joe, > It was great meeting you at Road Atlanta. I have a green TR 4 #66 (we blew > the engine on Thursday) that did not get out of the box for race weekend. I > was on the old pit side with Predator Performance; they maintain my car at the > track. Needless to say it was a long weekend for my daughter and me. She was > going to race with group 2 and I was going to run the Triumph events. My car > now #66 is on the FOT website as #75 from several years and owners ago. I > have owned it about six years now. I am told it is a Rick Klein car from the > 60bs or 70bs. I only have log books back to the early 90bs ( think > that is when it was resurrected. > > As I explained, I have tried to join the FOT and sent emails but never heard > back. I have gone on the site numerous times. It appeared you guys had a lot > of fun. I kind of wished I was on the other side of the pits with all the > other Triumphs. I would like to be part of the FOT. There were stickers on > the car when I bought it, it has since been repainted. I need more stickers. > > We are rebuilding the engine; I have a spare, but have been waiting for steel > crank for months, so now we have two to build. Glenn Effinger out of Stuart, > FL is the wrench. He does a great job. We will try to be ready for HSR > Savannah in October. > > My name was on the shirt, (spelled wrong, but still cool). George Wright was > kind enough to make one available to me, as I was not part of (did not know > anything about) the preorder. It was much appreciated. I did get a signed > poster, that was cool too. > > Thanks again > > Warren Aplin > 2795 se ranch acres circle > Jupiter, Florida 33478 > 561-748-8187, cell 954-520-8681 > wgaplin at bellsouth.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon May 7 07:35:51 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:35:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: <9B88022E-A573-4634-829F-F1843C27FF4C@bnj.com> References: , <1336188428.65950.YahooMailRC@web180604.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, <20120505100627.D90612D0B82@autox.team.net>, <9B88022E-A573-4634-829F-F1843C27FF4C@bnj.com> Message-ID: <8F2F3D3CCE4F42BABBD6BD889C75D11A@gdhs.local> Yes, Bill....that's where my dealing with indexing came from, TZ250 Yamaha's....we found indexing them towards the rear transfer ports worked best. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:ponobill at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 11:20 PM To: Kas Kastner Cc: jhhasty at gdhs.com; MadMarx; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs Mostly a carryover from high perfornace two stroke motors where transfer port swirl could play havoc with a spark. Or at least people thought it did. One more thing to fiddle with. On May 5, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Indexing to me was making sure that the ground electrode was not in a > position where the piston could not close the gap and kill the engine. More Power? > You're kidding! TR-3,4 engines do not have that problem unless you run > a pop-up. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> From: jhhasty at gdhs.com >> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:17:40 -0400 >> To: tr4racing at googlemail.com >> CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs >> >> Making the open end of the electrods all point to the intake valves >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 5, 2012, at 4:45 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: >> >>> What does indexing mean? >>> >>> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sherry robyn >>> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 >>> To: Friends >>> Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs >>> >>> Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from >> indexing >>> plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon May 7 07:38:56 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:38:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Lotus Super 7 1500cc pre-cross flow Message-ID: <78900E5CD1F642A2AD3F843C6C32187E@gdhs.local> If there is anyone among us interested in going faster, this, in my humble opinion, is one of the fastest 7's on the east coast. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. _____ From: cea127 at aol.com [mailto:cea127 at aol.com] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 8:49 PM To: jhhasty at gdhs.com; peter at peterkrause.net Subject: Fwd: Lotus Super 7 1500cc pre-cross flow -----Original Message----- From: Robert Colaizzi To: Cone Caeser ; Heller Geoff ; leechapmanracing ; Cook Rick ; Nevoral Barb ; Alex Quattlebaum ; AMQJR ; Bok Jim ; MacEachern Brian ; Donato Jim ; Elliott Brian ; Ford Manley.L ; Foss Charlie ; Hayes Charlie ; Luken Bill ; Schardt Dave ; Woehrle Jack ; Schardt Jim Sent: Sat, May 5, 2012 2:54 pm Subject: Lotus Super 7 1500cc pre-cross flow I am floating the pics of the Lotus to test the market. It hasn't finished lower than 5th in all the time I've owned it and has finished up front about half the time. It has no time on it since complete pre season prep by Jim Steck, including tear down and inspect engine, transmission, drive shaft, with parts replacement as necessary. The car has been almost completely re skinned and the upholstery updated. Some track spares. Fully adjustable front suspension. New belts. New rotors (not installed yet). Three sets of alloy wheels with sticker rains. If a driver can't put this car up front, it won't be the car's fault. $41,000. Bob Bob Colaizzi ColaizziDesign LLC www.colaizzidesign.com rcolaizzi at colaizzidesign.com c+937.477.5530 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0030.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0029.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0020.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0022.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0024.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0026.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/JPG which had a name of DSC_0027.JPG] From BillDentin at aol.com Mon May 7 07:41:20 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 09:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Subject: Indexing plugs Message-ID: <32bad.6dbe8da6.3cd92b00@aol.com> In a message dated 05/05/2012 6:17:11 PM Central Daylight Time, Catpusher at aol.com writes: > We could not measure any change, and we run popups and a high CR; we went > > to MSD and then Electromotive and ran to 7200RPM with our TR3. > Hi Hardy... 7200! WOW! Our mechanic, Kevin Potter, said that he used to index the plugs on our engines, but did not see any gains worth the effort. Kevin was big in Karting for a while, with his two daughters as drivers. He said that on the Briggs and Stratton Kart engines, there were significant gains to be made. Those engines were of a flathead design. It seemed the shrouding of the electrode was more important on that type of engine. He thinks, usually the main reason for indexing is with a domed, or popup piston, if they are not indexed properly, when the piston is at TDC, it will smash the plug because of clearance. Bill Dentinger From fasttrs at yahoo.com Mon May 7 08:15:14 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 07:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT NOMINATION TO LIST see attached note from Warren Aplin Message-ID: <1336400114.71364.YahooMailMobile@web46102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Sounds good to me! Second. From wensley_tr at comcast.net Mon May 7 09:03:12 2012 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 11:03:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit In-Reply-To: <0228E310-8FE8-4F4B-8E91-15C884F146F4@me.com> References: <0228E310-8FE8-4F4B-8E91-15C884F146F4@me.com> Message-ID: <005001cd2c62$85e7cab0$91b76010$@net> Your there to race, not get run over by the big boys Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 7:45 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: [Fot] Jefferson @ Summit looking at the registration, I see some of the big Triumphs in Group 1 and some in Group 3. Any logic? I picked Group 3 cuz I didn't want to run with all the Porsches. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From rodkent at cox.net Mon May 7 09:32:43 2012 From: rodkent at cox.net (rodkent at cox.net) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 11:32:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs In-Reply-To: <8F2F3D3CCE4F42BABBD6BD889C75D11A@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <20120507113243.YZJ6H.770478.imail@eastrmwml213> Hi, I don't think there is much to be gained by indexing on our motors, however I have always felt it important to use copper washers to regulate the thread ingagement in the head. I think its important not to have any of the bottom threads of the plug appearing in the combustion chambers, those sharp edges can act like a glow plug, a good cause of pre ignition.thx ---- john hasty wrote: Yes, Bill....that's where my dealing with indexing came from, TZ250 Yamaha's....we found indexing them towards the rear transfer ports worked best. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:ponobill at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 11:20 PM To: Kas Kastner Cc: jhhasty at gdhs.com; MadMarx; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs Mostly a carryover from high perfornace two stroke motors where transfer port swirl could play havoc with a spark. Or at least people thought it did. One more thing to fiddle with. On May 5, 2012, at 6:57 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Indexing to me was making sure that the ground electrode was not in a > position where the piston could not close the gap and kill the engine. More Power? > You're kidding! TR-3,4 engines do not have that problem unless you run > a pop-up. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> From: jhhasty at gdhs.com >> Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 08:17:40 -0400 >> To: tr4racing at googlemail.com >> CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Indexing plugs >> >> Making the open end of the electrods all point to the intake valves >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 5, 2012, at 4:45 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: >> >>> What does indexing mean? >>> >>> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sherry robyn >>> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 4 May 2012 20:27:08 >>> To: Friends >>> Subject: [Fot] Indexing plugs >>> >>> Just curious, has anyone seen a documented increase on the dyno from >> indexing >>> plugs on Triumph four or six cylinders? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rodkent at cox.net From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon May 7 11:51:27 2012 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 10:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Jeff Quick won Race #2 for Group 2 in SOVREN Spring Sprints Message-ID: <1336413087.57568.YahooMailNeo@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I figured I would send this out the to FOT. Jeff and his Dad Ray do such a great job representing FOT and Triumph in general, carring on the flag for two generations. Jeff led the charge yesterday at Pacific Raceways against a nice mix of cars from 356 Porsches to Alpha's. Parker Johnston was in our race running a midget. Other FOT folks included John James, Charly Mitchel, Steve Hare and Me. We had a nice weekend with no major mechanical or on track issues. Jeff is a modest guy who works hard to be fast with huge support from his family and his Dad Ray. Great Job Jeff. Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon May 7 12:08:02 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 14:08:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] sighting Message-ID: <5094B33A7B114CAE8DAF9437FB9A984B@owner8914bbf7f> Hi gang, I've got a bald eagle sitting in a tree a couple hundred yards from my barn. Most impressive. The bird was eating on a dead woodchuck that I shot a couple days ago, about 30 yards from the barn, saw me coming, and took off for the tree. Great sight. Bill From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon May 7 13:42:58 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 15:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Jeff Quick won Race #2 for Group 2 in SOVREN Spring Sprints In-Reply-To: <1336413087.57568.YahooMailNeo@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336413087.57568.YahooMailNeo@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In the "faceworld" parlance: LIKE!!! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bownes at seiri.com Mon May 7 14:34:44 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 16:34:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] sighting In-Reply-To: <5094B33A7B114CAE8DAF9437FB9A984B@owner8914bbf7f> References: <5094B33A7B114CAE8DAF9437FB9A984B@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: Pretty awesome sight. We have a nesting pair that hunt in the fields behind the house. Now if I could only get them to deliver car parts... On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:08 PM, william r tobin wrote: > Hi gang, I've got a bald eagle sitting in a tree a couple hundred yards > from > my barn. Most impressive. > The bird was eating on a dead woodchuck that I shot a couple days ago, > about > 30 yards from the barn, saw me coming, and took off for the tree. > Great sight. > Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 7 19:03:46 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 19:03:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] sighting In-Reply-To: <5094B33A7B114CAE8DAF9437FB9A984B@owner8914bbf7f> References: <5094B33A7B114CAE8DAF9437FB9A984B@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: <4FA870F2.8080401@bradakis.com> Neat. At the risk of upsetting folks with a non-racing story I saw an eagle once. Well, I've seen many eagles. The one that I remember was on the way to a climbing trip in the Tetons. I had driven most of the way from Salt Lake after a dead of night start. We got to Alpine, Wyoming just before dawn, I was tired, another guy took over driving. It might have been my old '67 Coronet wagon. Anyway, we start heading up Alpine Canyon along the Snake River. I was trying to get comfy in the back seat for a nap. Along the way I sat up to rearrange the sweaters and such I was using for a pillow and glanced out the window. It was a cool, foggy morning in the dim light of the breaking dawn. A *huge* Golden eagle swoops out of the mist, snags a fish from the river and disappears into the swirling gray. Beautiful! I'm still glad that I happened to look out the window at that very moment. mjb. From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon May 7 22:11:06 2012 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 21:11:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jeff Quick won Race #2 for Group 2 in SOVREN Spring Sprints In-Reply-To: <1336413087.57568.YahooMailNeo@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1336413087.57568.YahooMailNeo@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I missed Bob Scollard in his Spitfire. 6 Triumphs. Sent from my Kindle Fire _____________________________________________ From: Mike Mehl Sent: Mon May 07 10:51:27 PDT 2012 To: Triumph Friends of Subject: Jeff Quick won Race #2 for Group 2 in SOVREN Spring Sprints I figured I would send this out the to FOT. Jeff and his Dad Ray do such a great job representing FOT and Triumph in general, carring on the flag for two generations. Jeff led the charge yesterday at Pacific Raceways against a nice mix of cars from 356 Porsches to Alpha's. Parker Johnston was in our race running a midget. Other FOT folks included John James, Charly Mitchel, Steve Hare and Me. We had a nice weekend with no major mechanical or on track issues. Jeff is a modest guy who works hard to be fast with huge support from his family and his Dad Ray. Great Job Jeff. Mike Mehl #46 TR4 From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Tue May 8 06:52:49 2012 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:52:49 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] TR-3 parts car Message-ID: <6285092.1336481569828.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> /local/mailman/lynxXXXX3hoSik: Permission denied From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue May 8 07:50:22 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 09:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Mitty Pix Message-ID: Hi, I put the first test set up there. I didn't take time to caption or anything, and I will do that with the ones I post from now on... In any case, these ones are from the THU test sessions. Mostly they consistn of Henry Frye, David Cizmas, Burt Levy (driving George Wright's car), Susan Kahler, Patrick Starr in the Morgan and Bill Hart in the Devin / Triumph. I'll ping the list when I post some more. The photos are posted "royalty free" to FOT members. I will ping the FOT list later with details on that, but I may ask folks who want to use the pix to donate to a charity race event that New England Region SCCA runs every year. More on that later too. In any case, I'm working on getting the shots up there. If you want the pix cropped or otherwise doctored, contact me off-list (use blang at mit.edu, please) as I can fix the ones where the subject is off-center and stuff like that. Oh, and if you notice focus problems, let me know. I was using a new camera body and I may have set the auto focus setting incorrectly so some of the pix are a bit fuzzy. Actually, some are downright unrecognizable - but I think I sorted most of them out already. I also have a pile of head shots which I may or may not post at photobucket... c ya, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue May 8 09:05:49 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 11:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Link to Pix Message-ID: Hi, oops - try: http://s1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh632/bob_lang/ rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue May 8 09:11:02 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 11:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Mitty Pix Message-ID: Hi, I put the first test set up there. I didn't take time to caption or anything, and I will do that with the ones I post from now on... http://s1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh632/bob_lang/ In any case, these ones are from the THU test sessions. Mostly they consistn of Henry Frye, David Cizmas, Burt Levy (driving George Wright's car), Susan Kahler, Patrick Starr in the Morgan and Bill Hart in the Devin / Triumph. I'll ping the list when I post some more. The photos are posted "royalty free" to FOT members. I will ping the FOT list later with details on that, but I may ask folks who want to use the pix to donate to a charity race event that New England Region SCCA runs every year. More on that later too. In any case, I'm working on getting the shots up there. If you want the pix cropped or otherwise doctored, contact me off-list (use blang at mit.edu, please) as I can fix the ones where the subject is off-center and stuff like that. Oh, and if you notice focus problems, let me know. I was using a new camera body and I may have set the auto focus setting incorrectly so some of the pix are a bit fuzzy. Actually, some are downright unrecognizable - but I think I sorted most of them out already. I also have a pile of head shots which I may or may not post at photobucket... c ya, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Tue May 8 10:43:32 2012 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:43:32 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] TR-3 parts car Message-ID: <16778062.1336495412499.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> /local/mailman/lynxXXXX3F2mg7: Permission denied From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue May 8 12:40:23 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers Message-ID: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened washers for racing purposes? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 8 14:31:56 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:31:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> Message-ID: British Frame & Engine has all that stuff, but we use Isky springs from some NASCAR type Ford motor. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 2:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened washers for racing purposes? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue May 8 15:12:37 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 17:12:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> Message-ID: Try Isky- but you will need to know what spring pressure your cam maker requires at both open and closed positions. For example, my GT6 cam requires a closed pressure of 62 lb and an open pressure with 1.55 rockers of 185 lb. My machinist also tells me that the initial values of new springs will drop off significantly after a few heat cycles. I'm assuming Isky and others will sell you springs that will "end up" at the range you want, rather than start out there, if in fact this machinist is correct. On May 8, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened washers for racing purposes? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue May 8 15:50:27 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:50:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> Message-ID: <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> The cam is a Kastner G3 and the rockers are stock TR4 with 1.55:1 ratio. The measured cam lift is 0.342 giving a measured valve lift of 0.480 with 0.016 tappet clearance. This gives an actual ratio of 1.45:1, valve lift + tappet clearance to cam lift. We use a "red line" of 6000 RPM. I checked Good Parts but he only lists TR6 parts, at least that I saw. Are the TR6 and TR4 valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seats interchangeable? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 From: hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com [mailto:hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:54 PM To: timmurph at fastbytes.com Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers i cannot help you with a parts without a lot of photos which I might not recognize anyway, BUT, that is way way to low a seat pressrue. I don' know your cam, but if it is high lifter from Larry or something like my old G-3 then you want about 125 pounds on the seat. Never be beaten by equipment > From: timmurph at fastbytes.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:23 -0500 > CC: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have > about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in > his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled > height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. > He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified > height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of > the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the > suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened > washers for racing purposes? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim and Ryan > > 1961 TR4 #317 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 8 16:46:23 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 18:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> Message-ID: <8CEFB83871B35F5-BC0-110EF@Webmail-m110.sysops.aol.com> Tim, Pretty sure our assemblies are from BFE. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: Tim Murphy Cc: ryan.murphy ; fot Sent: Tue, May 8, 2012 5:38 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers Try Isky- but you will need to know what spring pressure your cam maker requires at both open and closed positions. For example, my GT6 cam requires a closed pressure of 62 lb and an open pressure with 1.55 rockers of 185 lb. My machinist also tells me that the initial values of new springs will drop off significantly after a few heat cycles. I'm assuming Isky and others will sell you springs that will "end up" at the range you want, rather than start out there, if in fact this machinist is correct. On May 8, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened washers for racing purposes? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From whimsey1 at earthlink.net Tue May 8 18:50:24 2012 From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 20:50:24 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR-3 parts car Message-ID: <26925839.1336524624873.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> /local/mailman/lynxXXXX8pU4co: Permission denied From tjwakeman at gmail.com Wed May 9 07:11:43 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 06:11:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Web site is back online Message-ID: <4FAA6D0F.10300@gmail.com> Just to let people know my Triumph web site is back up on the net. www.tr3a.info From requests, it appears that my TR2-4A cylinder head page is by far the most popular www.tr3a.info/FAQ_heads.htm Hopefully all the links are working. Please let me know if you find one that leads to the dreaded 404 page. My apologies for having the site down for so long. Moving it required most links to be relinked and being the first spring in a new house, landscaping a bare yard took priority over everything. But finally the site is back up and hopefully all the links go where they should and hopefully all the new plants will grow properly and I will not have to rent a jackhammer again to punch through hard pan before additional planting. Again, sorry for being offline for so long. TeriAnn www.tjwakeman.net www.tr3a.info www.expeditionlandrover.info www.aladdinlamps.info From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 9 08:07:32 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 10:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Mitty Pix Message-ID: Hi, I posted 199 more pictures last night: http://s1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh632/bob_lang/Mitty%202012%20Triumph%20Shots/#!cpZZ4QQtppZZ20 If you can't get there by that link, going to www.photobucket.com and searching on bob_lang should get you to my pictures. The folder with 200 pix is called "Mitty 2012 Triumph Shots" or something like that. If I get messages to the effect of "I can't get to the pix", I'll post a tinyurl to the list. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 9 10:20:37 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MItty Pix Message-ID: Hi, Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 Enjoy! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed May 9 10:54:57 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Mitty Pix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 9 May 2012, john hasty wrote: > Nice shots Robert, how does one go about printing an 8x10 of a shot? Excellent question! I really haven't fleshed that out, but if you see a picture or pictures that you like, I can either edit/crop and send you the full image electronically and you can have your local one-hour place do it, or I can get it processed and send it you for my cost (which I have not determined yet). But if you see something you like, click on the link "photo info" and make a note of the picture number, e.g. IMG_7174.jpg or whatever. That'll make it easier for me to fish it out of the thousands of pictures that I shot at the event. Seeing that there's only 40 or so FOTs that were racing, I'm thinking electronic distribution won't be too bad... physical picture distribution would be a different matter (read more complicated and $$$ involved). I'd rather not do physical distribution, please. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From vintage.racer at comcast.net Wed May 9 11:24:37 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 17:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Trackside Support/Maintenance Message-ID: <42350960.283263.1336584277821.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello: Anyone know of a race shop in the Northern Indiana area (specifically South Bend or close by) that could maintain and offer track side support for a TR4? Thanks. Gary From mnewman at embarqmail.com Wed May 9 14:00:59 2012 From: mnewman at embarqmail.com (William T newman) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Link to Pix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <426731843.2723065.1336593659848.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Great pictures Bob. Thank you! Bill Newman #44 GT6 ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 08 May 2012 11:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Fot] Link to Pix Hi, oops - try: http://s1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh632/bob_lang/ rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mnewman at embarqmail.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Wed May 9 17:21:06 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:21:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing, etc. Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D4A@TITAN.dwholdings.local> After breaking at Willow Springs we discovered my GT6 rocker shaft had been installed incorrectly by the engine builder. It was not properly retained by the setscrew, rotated, and reduced oil flow through the shaft. Consequently, the forward three rockers were starved for oil. The #1 rocker (forward-most) seized on the shaft, and broke. The #2 rocker scored the shaft, and the #3 did score a bit as well. A simple blunder that totally screwed me out of a good race weekend. The GT6 has been problematic, to say the least, but I still love it. We feel that when we get it back together, most of the teething problems will be resolved. When it's running, it's a real blast to drive. I just made a deal to buy a very well prepared Spitfire; ex Jerry Craft, Jerry Alford and possibly Buster Callahan. Renewed & rebuilt by Joe Siam. After driving a Sports Renault last weekend at the VARA British Extravaganza, I decided that another Triumph would be a better fit than the sports racer. I'll pick up the Spit tomorrow. Hoping to have a running Triumph race car available for all events we wish to run. Ed Dunn From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed May 9 18:52:21 2012 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 19:52:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mitty Pix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002201cd2e47$28a7be50$79f73af0$@rr.com> Nicely done. Thankyou. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:08 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty Pix Hi, I posted 199 more pictures last night: http://s1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh632/bob_lang/Mitty%202012%20Triumph%20 Shots/#!cpZZ4QQtppZZ20 If you can't get there by that link, going to www.photobucket.com and searching on bob_lang should get you to my pictures. The folder with 200 pix is called "Mitty 2012 Triumph Shots" or something like that. If I get messages to the effect of "I can't get to the pix", I'll post a tinyurl to the list. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4988 - Release Date: 05/09/12 From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed May 9 19:36:14 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 21:36:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] PittRace visit Message-ID: <47961A5C26A44FB88A6BE13E37922FA4@owner8914bbf7f> Hi All, I took the TR6 to BeaveRun, now PittRace, today for a shakedown run. Everything worked fine. It was a 4PM to 8PM session. There were only a few cars there, so we could basically drive to our heart's content. There were two new McLaren stret cars there; very impressive. A Corvette, a 911, a Miata, a BMW, and myself. Lots of track time. PittRace is under new management. Part of the paddock has been paved, new garages being built, and the entrance road has been paved. Finally! I'm doing the Jefferson 500 next week at Summit Point. Bill From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed May 9 19:51:18 2012 From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:51:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing, etc. References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D4A@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: Be sure to take a look at the cam, lifters and pushrods. If the rocker arms siezed on the shaft and then broke, the loads on the cam lifters and pushrods also went way up also. There may be more damage than there might at first appear to be. The valves and guides at the front of the engine may also have suffered. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Dunn" To: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 4:21 PM Subject: [Fot] Racing, etc. > After breaking at Willow Springs we discovered my GT6 rocker shaft had > been > installed incorrectly by the engine builder. It was not properly retained > by > the setscrew, rotated, and reduced oil flow through the shaft. > Consequently, > the forward three rockers were starved for oil. The #1 rocker > (forward-most) > seized on the shaft, and broke. The #2 rocker scored the shaft, and the > #3 > did score a bit as well. A simple blunder that totally screwed me out of > a > good race weekend. > > The GT6 has been problematic, to say the least, but I still love it. We > feel > that when we get it back together, most of the teething problems will be > resolved. When it's running, it's a real blast to drive. > > I just made a deal to buy a very well prepared Spitfire; ex Jerry Craft, > Jerry > Alford and possibly Buster Callahan. Renewed & rebuilt by Joe Siam. > After > driving a Sports Renault last weekend at the VARA British Extravaganza, I > decided that another Triumph would be a better fit than the sports racer. > I'll pick up the Spit tomorrow. Hoping to have a running Triumph race car > available for all events we wish to run. > > Ed Dunn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed May 9 19:57:29 2012 From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:57:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> Message-ID: A G-3 cam should have over 110 lbs pressure on the seat. With light valves and other gear, we use 105 on the seat with an F cam, which has more gentle action than a G-3. We use a rev limit of 6800 RPM. With the "F" cam and 105 on the seat, the valves will "float" at 7200 rpm. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "'Kas Kastner'" Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > The cam is a Kastner G3 and the rockers are stock TR4 with 1.55:1 ratio. > The measured cam lift is 0.342 giving a measured valve lift of 0.480 with > 0.016 tappet clearance. This gives an actual ratio of 1.45:1, valve lift > + > tappet clearance to cam lift. We use a "red line" of 6000 RPM. > > > > I checked Good Parts but he only lists TR6 parts, at least that I saw. > Are > the TR6 and TR4 valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seats > interchangeable? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim and Ryan > > 1961 TR4 #317 > > > > From: hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com > [mailto:hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:54 PM > To: timmurph at fastbytes.com > Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, > suppliers > > > > i cannot help you with a parts without a lot of photos which I might not > recognize anyway, BUT, that is way way to low a seat pressrue. I don' > know > your cam, but if it is high lifter from Larry or something like my old G-3 > then you want about 125 pounds on the seat. > > Never be beaten by equipment > > >> From: timmurph at fastbytes.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:23 -0500 >> CC: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov >> Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers >> >> The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only > have >> about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, >> in >> his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled >> height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the > head. >> He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified >> height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of >> the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the >> suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened >> washers for racing purposes? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Tim and Ryan >> >> 1961 TR4 #317 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From tony at tonydrews.com Wed May 9 21:36:46 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 22:36:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> Message-ID: <31d317dba5e192b1e194de149d79a77c.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com> Ken Gillanders at BFE (British Frame and Engine) has good springs, titanium retainers, ARP rocker studs, etc. etc. Tell him Tony says hi and to take good care of himself. Tony Drews > The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only > have > about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, > in > his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled > height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the > head. > He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified > height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of > the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the > suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened > washers for racing purposes? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim and Ryan > > 1961 TR4 #317 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu May 10 05:19:11 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 07:19:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Page 2 Message-ID: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> Hi again, at PittRace today I was talking to the general manager, John Blaine. When I mentioned my TR6, his eyes lit up. He has two Triumphs, a TR3 and Tr4, if I recall. Later, I had just unloaded when he stopped over to chat. Nice fellow. I'd like to nominate him for membership in our illustrious group. Another Triumph owner. How about that. Can I get a second? Thanks, Bill Tobin TR6 jr.blaine at pittrace.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu May 10 07:44:36 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 09:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Page 2 In-Reply-To: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> References: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: SECOND Now, you need to subliminally suggest that the track really needs to afford a perferential rate for track time to all Triumph drivers. ;-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 10 May 2012, william r tobin wrote: > Hi again, at PittRace today I was talking to the general manager, John Blaine. > When I mentioned my TR6, his eyes lit up. He has two Triumphs, a TR3 and Tr4, > if I recall. Later, I had just unloaded when he stopped over to chat. Nice > fellow. > I'd like to nominate him for membership in our illustrious group. Another > Triumph owner. How about that. > Can I get a second? > Thanks, Bill Tobin TR6 > jr.blaine at pittrace.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang at isis.mit.edu From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu May 10 09:10:54 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (trmarty at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 11:10:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Page 2 In-Reply-To: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> References: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: Second. Marty Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon Wirelessb" -----Original message----- From: william r tobin To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 11:19:11 GMT+00:00 Subject: [Fot] Page 2 Hi again, at PittRace today I was talking to the general manager, John Blaine. When I mentioned my TR6, his eyes lit up. He has two Triumphs, a TR3 and Tr4, if I recall. Later, I had just unloaded when he stopped over to chat. Nice fellow. I'd like to nominate him for membership in our illustrious group. Another Triumph owner. How about that. Can I get a second? Thanks, Bill Tobin TR6 jr.blaine at pittrace.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 10 09:17:08 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 17:17:08 +0200 Subject: [Fot] The matter of size In-Reply-To: References: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: <003d01cd2ebf$fa4576a0$eed063e0$@com> http://htwins.net/scale2/scale2.swf?bordercolor=white From igofaster at att.net Thu May 10 10:18:04 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 09:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] MItty Pix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this morning... is that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix Hi, Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 Enjoy! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From igofaster at att.net Thu May 10 10:27:34 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 09:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Page 2 In-Reply-To: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> References: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: <1336667254.93174.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> 2nd if not already posted.. Bobby ________________________________ From: william r tobin To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 8:01:13 AM Subject: [Fot] Page 2 Hi again, at PittRace today I was talking to the general manager, John Blaine. When I mentioned my TR6, his eyes lit up. He has two Triumphs, a TR3 and Tr4, if I recall. Later, I had just unloaded when he stopped over to chat. Nice fellow. I'd like to nominate him for membership in our illustrious group. Another Triumph owner. How about that. Can I get a second? Thanks, Bill Tobin TR6 jr.blaine at pittrace.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu May 10 11:10:23 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MItty Pix In-Reply-To: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 May 2012, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this > morning... is that sympathy like an obituary ?? I'd say it's more like "that's a great looking car". >... love to have a copy > 8x10 to frame... I'll send you a hi-res image that you can put on a flash drive and get printed at your local 1-hour photo place. It would be best if you could choose which picture you like best - although with all those hits, I think we know which one to print. :-) > Bobby Whitehead regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sjanzen at me.com Thu May 10 12:12:23 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 14:12:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MItty Pix In-Reply-To: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <877CBD59-E2E4-4BE7-8D53-DDE0AF0DFDCF@me.com> Are we talking to the same guy who was almost ready to give up on this car after it broke? That's a pretty GT6, and I sure hope you stay committed to it! On May 10, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this morning... is that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix Hi, Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 Enjoy! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From jason at multivintage.com Thu May 10 12:16:39 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:16:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MItty Pix In-Reply-To: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Guess it recorded the 84 times you clicked on it last night. (and I peeked once) Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this > morning... is > that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Robert M. Lang > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix > > Hi, > > Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: > > http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 > > Enjoy! > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From cartravel at pobox.com Thu May 10 12:55:45 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 13:55:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> Message-ID: <4FAC0F31.9010109@pobox.com> If I remember right, 70 lbs is pretty close to the seat force recommended for a stock cam. Most racing cams use more. I recommend 95 lbs for my cams, but you will see others recommend much more. The more I look at this stuff the more I believe this is due to some of these cams not having or not using a ramp. The ramp is a low rate of lift (velocity) area where the lash is taken up and the impact occurs. I recently looked at a cam (not for a Triumph) from a big name manufacturer. With the recommended valve lash, the impact velocity was about half the maximum velocity and more than 5 times what it should have been. This is like hitting the valve with a hammer to open it and slamming it down on the seat when you close it. Under these circumstances the valve will bounce unless you have strong spring force. I have never looked at the G3 cam, so can't say anything about it, but I have observed this problem on other racing cams (Triumph and non-Triumph) and I believe it is the reason for such large spring forces even for our little engines with light valve trains. see http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tip_Lash.html On 5/8/2012 4:50 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > The cam is a Kastner G3 and the rockers are stock TR4 with 1.55:1 ratio. > The measured cam lift is 0.342 giving a measured valve lift of 0.480 with > 0.016 tappet clearance. This gives an actual ratio of 1.45:1, valve lift + > tappet clearance to cam lift. We use a "red line" of 6000 RPM. > > > > I checked Good Parts but he only lists TR6 parts, at least that I saw. Are > the TR6 and TR4 valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seats > interchangeable? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim and Ryan > > 1961 TR4 #317 > > > > From: hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com > [mailto:hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:54 PM > To: timmurph at fastbytes.com > Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > > > i cannot help you with a parts without a lot of photos which I might not > recognize anyway, BUT, that is way way to low a seat pressrue. I don' know > your cam, but if it is high lifter from Larry or something like my old G-3 > then you want about 125 pounds on the seat. > > Never be beaten by equipment > > >> From: timmurph at fastbytes.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:23 -0500 >> CC: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov >> Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers >> >> The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only > have >> about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in >> his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled >> height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the > head. >> He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified >> height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of >> the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the >> suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened >> washers for racing purposes? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Tim and Ryan >> >> 1961 TR4 #317 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From jr.blaine at pittrace.com Thu May 10 12:56:47 2012 From: jr.blaine at pittrace.com (John Blaine) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 18:56:47 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Page 2 In-Reply-To: <1336667254.93174.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <8D6F0B5922594AD183922D752BA6167D@owner8914bbf7f> <1336667254.93174.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56AE820BF36D714E811E7B2A1E6593D323BAF1B3@SBSERVER.beaverun.local> Gentlemen, I truly appreciate the opportunity to join with other Triumph friends. I currently have a 1958 TR3 (all original with 33,000 miles) and a 1969 TR6 that I bought "in boxes" to race. Hopefully one of them (or both) will be up and running soon. Thanks again, John Pittsburgh International Race Complex www.pittrace.com/ 201 Penndale Road Wampum, PA 16157 724-535-1000 Ext 604 724-740-1046 FAX -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:28 PM To: william r tobin Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Page 2 2nd if not already posted.. Bobby ________________________________ From: william r tobin To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 8:01:13 AM Subject: [Fot] Page 2 Hi again, at PittRace today I was talking to the general manager, John Blaine. When I mentioned my TR6, his eyes lit up. He has two Triumphs, a TR3 and Tr4, if I recall. Later, I had just unloaded when he stopped over to chat. Nice fellow. I'd like to nominate him for membership in our illustrious group. Another Triumph owner. How about that. Can I get a second? Thanks, Bill Tobin TR6 jr.blaine at pittrace.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jr.blaine at pittrace.com From igofaster at att.net Thu May 10 13:05:40 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 12:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] MItty Pix In-Reply-To: <877CBD59-E2E4-4BE7-8D53-DDE0AF0DFDCF@me.com> References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <877CBD59-E2E4-4BE7-8D53-DDE0AF0DFDCF@me.com> Message-ID: <1336676740.78093.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> been busy with work and logistics, new grandbaby, family, travel... I Love my GT6 so, it WILL rise from the ashes... Bobby.... thanks Scott! ________________________________ From: Scott Janzen To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 1:12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix Are we talking to the same guy who was almost ready to give up on this car after it broke? That's a pretty GT6, and I sure hope you stay committed to it! On May 10, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this morning... is that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix Hi, Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 Enjoy! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From igofaster at att.net Thu May 10 13:08:04 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 12:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Fw: MItty Pix In-Reply-To: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1336676884.67839.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I did tag myself on Facebook.... and DID click a 'few' times.... awesome... Bobby ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Jason Ostrowski To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: Robert M. Lang ; FoT Triumph Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 1:16:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix Guess it recorded the 84 times you clicked on it last night. (and I peeked once) Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this morning... is >that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... >Bobby Whitehead > > > > >________________________________ >From: Robert M. Lang >To: fot at autox.team.net >Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix > > >Hi, > >Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: > >http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 > >Enjoy! >rml >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent >Former NER Solo Chair | >Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From tedtsimx at bright.net Thu May 10 13:47:39 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 15:47:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirt - last call Message-ID: <4FAC1B5B.5050001@bright.net> Hello lists. The Kastner Cup t.shirt program is approaching the end of the ordering period. Monday is the last day to order. This shirt was very popular at the recent Mitty Vintage Race. If we have enough orders to do another run, we will. If not, no harm - no foul. We need your name, address, size and method of payment by close of business Monday. Tuesday will be go or no go time. Price is $15 for small - x-large and $18 for XXL or XXXL. Thanks for your time. Ted Shirt can be viewed at this link: http://littlebluespitfire.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=6612 -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US& Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu May 10 14:05:13 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 16:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Headshots From Mitty 2012 Message-ID: Hi, Here are some headshots from the Mitty. http://tinyurl.com/72pzx3f There are def. some keepers in there. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu May 10 15:16:53 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 17:16:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: MItty Pix In-Reply-To: <1336676884.67839.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336676884.67839.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bobby I looked a few times too....and then showed the photos a few times....so now your in the sixties or seventy times you looked...and to me all the GT-6s looked good...for that matter there were alot of good looking race cars.....but the Spitfire with the GT-6 motor all "dollied "up by the Classic Motor Sport tent looked really nice and a good job that was done on that modification...hope that you all saw that one. On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I did tag myself on Facebook.... and DID click a 'few' times.... > awesome... > Bobby > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Jason Ostrowski > To: Bobby Whitehead > Cc: Robert M. Lang ; FoT Triumph > Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 1:16:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix > > > Guess it recorded the 84 times you clicked on it last night. (and I peeked > once) > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > > > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bobby Whitehead > wrote: > > any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this > morning... is > >that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to > frame... > >Bobby Whitehead > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > >From: Robert M. Lang > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM > >Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix > > > > > >Hi, > > > >Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: > > > >http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 > > > >Enjoy! > >rml > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > >Former NER Solo Chair | > >Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > > > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu May 10 18:14:18 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 20:14:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: MItty Pix In-Reply-To: References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336676884.67839.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have decided I hate 6's they are slow in the twisted and fast on straights Sent from my iPhone On May 10, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Robert Deanes wrote: > Bobby I looked a few times too....and then showed the photos a few > times....so now your in the sixties or seventy times you looked...and to me > all the GT-6s looked good...for that matter there were alot of good looking > race cars.....but the Spitfire with the GT-6 motor all "dollied "up by the > Classic Motor Sport tent looked really nice and a good job that was done on > that modification...hope that you all saw that one. > > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> I did tag myself on Facebook.... and DID click a 'few' times.... >> awesome... >> Bobby >> >> >> >> ----- Forwarded Message ---- >> From: Jason Ostrowski >> To: Bobby Whitehead >> Cc: Robert M. Lang ; FoT Triumph >> Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 1:16:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix >> >> >> Guess it recorded the 84 times you clicked on it last night. (and I peeked >> once) >> Jason Ostrowski >> Friendly Ghost Racing >> >> >> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bobby Whitehead >> wrote: >> >> any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this >> morning... is >>> that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to >> frame... >>> Bobby Whitehead >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Robert M. Lang >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix >>> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: >>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 >>> >>> Enjoy! >>> rml >> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent >>> Former NER Solo Chair | >>> Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From kkjjk at aol.com Thu May 10 19:24:05 2012 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 21:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirt - last call In-Reply-To: <4FAC1B5B.5050001@bright.net> References: <4FAC1B5B.5050001@bright.net> Message-ID: <8CEFD2BE3BCC06E-146C-1A6E9@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com> Ted - I am in for two: One large and one XXL---- Thanks very much-- Jay De Pol, 804 Thompson Creek Road, Stevensville, MD. 21666. I can pay by check or CC. Please give me your phone number and which method of payment you prefer. -----Original Message----- From: Ted Schumacher To: FOT ; TR list ; TR8 CCCA Listing ; spitfires ; nass Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 5:46 pm Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirt - last call Hello lists. The Kastner Cup t.shirt program is approaching the end of the ordering period. Monday is the last day to order. This shirt was very popular at the recent Mitty Vintage Race. If we have enough orders to do another run, we will. If not, no harm - no foul. We need your name, address, size and method of payment by close of business Monday. Tuesday will be go or no go time. Price is $15 for small - x-large and $18 for XXL or XXXL. Thanks for your time. Ted Shirt can be viewed at this link: http://littlebluespitfire.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=6612 -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US& Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu May 10 19:43:32 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 18:43:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FAC6EC4.9020103@comcast.net> Sorry to be so slow in responding to this - a bit late in catching up on e-mail. I needed a new set of headers about 3 years back when I switched from an 1147 to a 1300. I had a set of Stahl headers, but they were very old and beat. My frame and bellhousing had already been notched to fit them. I called and talked with Jere Stahl. Bottom line was he told me to call around and look for a used set - didn't want to be bothered with making a new one for me. I also tried a set of Pace headers, but they are for a street car and hang too far below the frame to work on a race car. I ended up having a set of 4 into 1 headers custom made for me. My engine builder gave the specs to the fabricator and I set him up with a dummy engine/gearbox./frame to work with. It wasn't cheap, but they seem to work really well. I do have an extra header flange as I had them cut out two just in case. My car is HP legal, limited prep. On 5/3/2012 9:42 AM, George Harmuth wrote: > I was looking at the various Spit engines in the paddock but I forgot to > ask what kind of headers people were using. My car came with a set of Tri-Y > and I replaced them with a new set two years ago. My understanding is these > style help with low to mid range power. After getting passed, at a very > good clip, on the RA straights last weekend, I'm looking at ways to get > more power and still have the car SCCA H-Prod legal. Headers / exhaust > system are one of the few areas where Prep level 2 engines are given free > range. > > I'm thinking about a 4->1 style, like a Stahl, which I heard is better for > top end. Any input is appreciated. > > thanks > mike > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From rwestfall at ymail.com Thu May 10 20:44:51 2012 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 19:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Headshots From Mitty 2012 Message-ID: <1336704291.38369.YahooMailMobile@web162304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Bmaynard at usinterner.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Thu May 10 20:48:16 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 21:48:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: MItty Pix In-Reply-To: References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1336676884.67839.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <029592AA-7A6F-4CB2-88A9-173F54BFDA0A@yahoo.com> Not all of them. Sent from my iPhone On May 10, 2012, at 7:14 PM, John Hasty wrote: > I have decided I hate 6's they are slow in the twisted and fast on straights > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 10, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Robert Deanes wrote: > >> Bobby I looked a few times too....and then showed the photos a few >> times....so now your in the sixties or seventy times you looked...and to me >> all the GT-6s looked good...for that matter there were alot of good looking >> race cars.....but the Spitfire with the GT-6 motor all "dollied "up by the >> Classic Motor Sport tent looked really nice and a good job that was done on >> that modification...hope that you all saw that one. >> >> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> >>> I did tag myself on Facebook.... and DID click a 'few' times.... >>> awesome... >>> Bobby >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Forwarded Message ---- >>> From: Jason Ostrowski >>> To: Bobby Whitehead >>> Cc: Robert M. Lang ; FoT Triumph >>> Sent: Thu, May 10, 2012 1:16:42 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix >>> >>> >>> Guess it recorded the 84 times you clicked on it last night. (and I peeked >>> once) >>> Jason Ostrowski >>> Friendly Ghost Racing >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Bobby Whitehead >>> wrote: >>> >>> any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this >>> morning... is >>>> that sympathy like an obituary ??... love to have a copy 8x10 to >>> frame... >>>> Bobby Whitehead >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Robert M. Lang >>>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>>> Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 12:43:10 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] MItty Pix >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Here's a tiny URL to my photobucket albums: >>>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/7nrffc3 >>>> >>>> Enjoy! >>>> rml >>> >>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent >>>> Former NER Solo Chair | >>>> Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >>> >>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> rob deanes >> TR Racer >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu May 10 21:10:08 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 22:10:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> Message-ID: <000001cd2f23$926c8a00$b7459e00$@com> Thanks to all who responded to my request for information on valve springs and pressures. I've ordered a set of springs and titanium retainers from British Frame and Engine. Generally the seat pressure recommended with my cam is around 105 to 120 lbs. I'll see what we get with the new springs and shim if necessary. I keep learning more as we go and this machinist/builder is willing to work with us. He does mostly Ford and Chevy V-8's for racing but fortunately is willing to work on our "Tractor" motors. With everything that he has found in the head and crank and rods, and with the new parts I hope we'll be a little bit quicker!! Now I just have to get all the parts and get it put together and on the track. Thanks again, the FOT is fantastic! Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 4:50 PM To: 'Kas Kastner' Cc: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers The cam is a Kastner G3 and the rockers are stock TR4 with 1.55:1 ratio. The measured cam lift is 0.342 giving a measured valve lift of 0.480 with 0.016 tappet clearance. This gives an actual ratio of 1.45:1, valve lift + tappet clearance to cam lift. We use a "red line" of 6000 RPM. I checked Good Parts but he only lists TR6 parts, at least that I saw. Are the TR6 and TR4 valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seats interchangeable? Thanks, Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 From: hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com [mailto:hotmail_b17abf0a244adefd at live.com] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 3:54 PM To: timmurph at fastbytes.com Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers i cannot help you with a parts without a lot of photos which I might not recognize anyway, BUT, that is way way to low a seat pressrue. I don' know your cam, but if it is high lifter from Larry or something like my old G-3 then you want about 125 pounds on the seat. Never be beaten by equipment > From: timmurph at fastbytes.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:23 -0500 > CC: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have > about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in > his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled > height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. > He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified > height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of > the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the > suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened > washers for racing purposes? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim and Ryan > > 1961 TR4 #317 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From joeg at neb.rr.com Thu May 10 22:18:11 2012 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 23:18:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Old photos from Hallet Speedway Message-ID: <000501cd2f2d$140ea3f0$3c2bebd0$@rr.com> Found photos I had taken at Hallet Speedway in 2006 in my files. I don't believe I've ever shared them with the FOT, so I followed the lead of Bob Lang and threw 77 of them on photobucket. Hope the links work - second is for a slide show. http://s1154.photobucket.com/albums/p537/Spitfirejoe2012/ http://s1154.photobucket.com/albums/p537/Spitfirejoe2012/?albumview=slidesho w Joe Guinan Fremont, NE From tarch at bellsouth.net Fri May 11 07:19:13 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 09:19:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> Message-ID: <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> Greg, I am doing a valve & guide job on my TR-4 head. My cam is a Babe Erson BFE-149 with intake of 430 and duration of 282. My normal shift point is 5000 rpms with a never exceed of 5500. Inasmuch as I drive my car to events, reliability, not brute power, is the game plan. May I ask your recommendations on valve guides (bronze vs. iron), their clearances and spring pressures? What about multi-angle valve grinds? Another issue. I found a conspicuous crack between the center 2 water galleys between #2 & #3 pistons. It looks as if it's been there forever and does no harm. Does that render my cylinder head toast? Thanks, Richard Taylor TR-4 #196 From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri May 11 07:27:54 2012 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 09:27:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jeff 500 - Stuff for sale at event Message-ID: <616C3E08-619F-495F-96FE-CF004EE84250@comcast.net> I'll have a Chase Cam lipstick camera with roll bar mount and remote dash switch for sale and also an i/o port video camera mount in box with safety strap for sale at the track - cheap, both in excellent condition. See Steve Groh, 393 Spitfire, Lola Cup 410-322-9047 From cartravel at pobox.com Fri May 11 10:29:01 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 11:29:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MItty Pix In-Reply-To: References: <1336666684.23115.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FAD3E4D.3090300@pobox.com> I claim the reason for the number of views is the color. Yellow cars always get more press than others. When I was racing the TR3 (now John Hasty's), it was on the cover of Victory Lane twice and also appeared several times in other publications. Being somewhat unusual like a GT6 or TR3 probably doesn't hurt either. On 5/10/2012 12:10 PM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > On Thu, 10 May 2012, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> any reason my one photo of the GT6 is the most viewed at 85 this >> morning... is that sympathy like an obituary ?? > > I'd say it's more like "that's a great looking car". > >> ... love to have a copy 8x10 to frame... > > I'll send you a hi-res image that you can put on a flash drive and get > printed at your local 1-hour photo place. It would be best if you > could choose which picture you like best - although with all those > hits, I think we know which one to print. > > :-) > > >> Bobby Whitehead > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From sjanzen at me.com Fri May 11 12:37:41 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 14:37:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jeff 500 - Paddock space In-Reply-To: <616C3E08-619F-495F-96FE-CF004EE84250@comcast.net> References: <616C3E08-619F-495F-96FE-CF004EE84250@comcast.net> Message-ID: to the extent that there will be a Triumph grotto in the paddock, I'm not arriving until Friday, mid-day and hoping someone wants to volunteer to block out a space for me - Ford Expedition and 20' trailer, ideally with room to pop out a side canopy. Prefer anywhere other than backing up to pit row. Let me know - thanks! Scott Janzen Triumph GT6 sjanzen at me.com 215-817-9315 From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Fri May 11 12:47:09 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 11:47:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing, etc. Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D7B@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Thanks, Greg. I'll pull the lifters and take a look. Ed Dunn From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri May 11 13:22:21 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 15:22:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Parts Message-ID: <33505F0F-8CFA-415E-BAA4-94F0A0CF628C@gdhs.com> Any one know where I might find a TR3A hood? Sent from my iPhone From bownes at seiri.com Fri May 11 15:11:44 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 17:11:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing, etc. In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D7B@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D7B@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: I'll have you all know I am now looking at that GT6 in my driveway and wondering if I should just put it on the track and be done with it...:) On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Thanks, Greg. I'll pull the lifters and take a look. > > Ed Dunn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From igofaster at att.net Fri May 11 15:18:54 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 14:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Triumph Engine Builder Message-ID: <1336771134.27743.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> assuming the worse... (should start removing the engine tomorrow) ... who does the group recommend as an engine builder KNOWLEDGEABLE in building a strong, reliable, engine for my GT6? I've had some quotes that seemed way out of line in the past, but I'm exploring new options for reasonable, and fairly quick turnaround.... Bobby From clw2000 at msn.com Fri May 11 15:50:38 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 17:50:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Parts In-Reply-To: <33505F0F-8CFA-415E-BAA4-94F0A0CF628C@gdhs.com> References: <33505F0F-8CFA-415E-BAA4-94F0A0CF628C@gdhs.com> Message-ID: John - Since shipping will be huge, try this guy in Columbia. His name is Bill and he has a HUGE graveyard of Triumphs and other European makes. It's disoriented but his inventory eclipses Don Trammell's, who I visited today. Didn't see a TR3 hood at Don's but wasn't looking for one. He could probably find one though. Bill (803) 754-5363/920-5363 or e-mail us at AOTT at mindspring.com (one of the phone numbers is wrong, not sure which one though) Thanks, Chuck Watson > From: jhhasty at gdhs.com > Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 15:22:21 -0400 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Parts > > Any one know where I might find a TR3A hood? > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri May 11 16:56:51 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 18:56:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jeff 500 - Paddock space References: <616C3E08-619F-495F-96FE-CF004EE84250@comcast.net> Message-ID: Scott, I'm planning on being there Wed. evening. If memory serves, I got your spot last year, beside Jim with the Pinto and Kris with the BMW, after you left. I'll see if I cam save some room. There's supposed to be a fairly big crowd there. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "fot" Cc: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 2:37 PM Subject: [Fot] Jeff 500 - Paddock space > to the extent that there will be a Triumph grotto in the paddock, I'm not > arriving until Friday, mid-day and hoping someone wants to volunteer to > block out a space for me - Ford Expedition and 20' trailer, ideally with > room to pop out a side canopy. Prefer anywhere other than backing up to > pit row. > > Let me know - thanks! > > Scott Janzen > Triumph GT6 > > sjanzen at me.com > 215-817-9315 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri May 11 17:09:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 19:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D7B@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <8CEFDE24EF0A694-9FC-20C90@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> Of COURSE! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: Edward Dunn Cc: fot Sent: Fri, May 11, 2012 5:56 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing, etc. I'll have you all know I am now looking at that GT6 in my driveway and wondering if I should just put it on the track and be done with it...:) On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Thanks, Greg. I'll pull the lifters and take a look. > > Ed Dunn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Fri May 11 17:18:33 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 16:18:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Racing, etc. In-Reply-To: References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D7B@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3D82@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Yes, absolutely! It wants to race, let it run... Ed From: robert bownes [mailto:bownes at seiri.com] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 2:12 PM To: Edward Dunn Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing, etc. I'll have you all know I am now looking at that GT6 in my driveway and wondering if I should just put it on the track and be done with it...:) On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Edward Dunn > wrote: Thanks, Greg. I'll pull the lifters and take a look. Ed Dunn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From horizonracing at msn.com Fri May 11 18:39:53 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (horizonracing at msn.com) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 17:39:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Engine Builder In-Reply-To: <1336771134.27743.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336771134.27743.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: /local/mailman/lynxXXXXpnGaLP: Permission denied [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of ic_list_big_grin.png] From tony at tonydrews.com Fri May 11 20:53:26 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 21:53:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> Message-ID: Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes is no big deal, don't worry about it. I run bronze guides. You just need enough valve to guide clearance that you don't stick a valve and they work fine. Don't use valve guide seals either. I had them put 0.003" clearance on my intakes and 0.0035" on my exhausts. I remember Greg having good recommendations in this regard too, so am interested in his view on the proper clearance. I was running 190 degrees at Road Atlanta and didn't stick a valve, so was pleased with that. The spring pressures should be specified by the cam builder. The Larry Young cams want about 100 lbs seat pressure. Ones with more dramatic opening events may want more, but that's largely to prevent valve float at higher RPM than you run. If you are having the seats ground, ask for a triple angle or radiused grind - I've been told that those can make a big difference in flow. My (newly prepared) head was milled 130 thou, I cleaned up the combustion chambers a little to remove any sharp edges primarily, they cut off the exhaust valve guide flush with the top of the port, and I had a triple angle grind done. NO porting whatsoever was done to it. I'm not sure I could tell the difference in power between that head and my old Comptune / Uncle Jack's porting services head. Tony Drews At 08:19 AM 5/11/2012, Richard Taylor wrote: >Greg, > >I am doing a valve & guide job on my TR-4 head. My cam is a Babe Erson >BFE-149 with intake of 430 and duration of 282. My normal shift point is >5000 rpms with a never exceed of 5500. Inasmuch as I drive my car to events, >reliability, not brute power, is the game plan. > >May I ask your recommendations on valve guides (bronze vs. iron), their >clearances and spring pressures? What about multi-angle valve grinds? > >Another issue. I found a conspicuous crack between the center 2 water >galleys between #2 & #3 pistons. It looks as if it's been there forever and >does no harm. Does that render my cylinder head toast? > >Thanks, > >Richard Taylor >TR-4 #196 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri May 11 22:01:27 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 23:01:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> Message-ID: <000501cd2ff3$e8106780$b8313680$@com> Richard, In talking to 3 different machine shops it appears that the "standard" valve grind for car engines is the triple grind. As about the only engines that have valve jobs any more are race engines, I think this is the "standard" for race engines. Tractor and industrial engines I think still use the traditional single angle grind. The machinist I'm using now says he has 0.040, 0.060 and 0.080 width valve seat cutters. I think they all use carbide valve seat cutters now and they don't really "grind" the seats with stones anymore. Anyway, he says he uses the 0.060 on the exhausts for more heat transfer surface and 0.040 on the intake seats, for what it's worth. My head is also cracked between those two water ports and so was our first head. Must be pretty common. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Richard Taylor [mailto:tarch at bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 8:19 AM To: 'Greg Solow'; 'Tim Murphy'; 'Kas Kastner' Cc: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers Greg, I am doing a valve & guide job on my TR-4 head. My cam is a Babe Erson BFE-149 with intake of 430 and duration of 282. My normal shift point is 5000 rpms with a never exceed of 5500. Inasmuch as I drive my car to events, reliability, not brute power, is the game plan. May I ask your recommendations on valve guides (bronze vs. iron), their clearances and spring pressures? What about multi-angle valve grinds? Another issue. I found a conspicuous crack between the center 2 water galleys between #2 & #3 pistons. It looks as if it's been there forever and does no harm. Does that render my cylinder head toast? Thanks, Richard Taylor TR-4 #196 From tony at tonydrews.com Fri May 11 22:52:55 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 23:52:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bronze valve guide clearances (TR-2, 3, 4) Message-ID: Tim Murphy put together the results of a recent survey as to what valve guide clearance is needed for the Bronze valve guides in the TR-2, 3 and 4. I've added it to the Uncle Jack's Engine Building Tips page on my website. It's funny, every time I read that page I learn something. Anyway, Tim's latest contribution is in the "Head" section of this page: http://www.tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm Cheers, Tony Drews From triumphs at consolidated.net Fri May 11 23:08:20 2012 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 00:08:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Old photos from Hallet Speedway In-Reply-To: <000501cd2f2d$140ea3f0$3c2bebd0$@rr.com> References: <000501cd2f2d$140ea3f0$3c2bebd0$@rr.com> Message-ID: Thanks. Good memories. Ken Gano Sent from my iPad On May 10, 2012, at 11:18 PM, "Joe Guinan" wrote: > Found photos I had taken at Hallet Speedway in 2006 in my files. I don't > believe I've ever shared them with the FOT, so I followed the lead of Bob > Lang and threw 77 of them on photobucket. Hope the links work - second is > for a slide show. > > > > http://s1154.photobucket.com/albums/p537/Spitfirejoe2012/ > > > > http://s1154.photobucket.com/albums/p537/Spitfirejoe2012/?albumview=slidesho > w > > > > > > Joe Guinan > > Fremont, NE > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat May 12 00:12:45 2012 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 23:12:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> Message-ID: Richard, I presume that by "intake" you mean total valve lift. .430" lift is quite a bit more than stock. I would use bronze guides and would try to obtain exhaust valves that have hard chromed or "plasma coated" stems. We use .0015" to .002" valve stem to guide clearance on the inlets & .002" to .0025" on the exhausts. Valve spring pressure with the valves closed should be 85 to 90 psi. You need to make sure that the spring you use do not go into "coil bind" at full valve lift. With the valve fully open, you must be able to stick a .040" feeler gauge in between the coils of the spring. We still "grind" all of our valve seats, and then lap them with fine compound to make sure we have a good seal. I guess we are "old school". We generally use seat widths of .040" on the exhaust & intake with hardened valve seats installed in the head in both intake and exhausts. I like to use 4 or more angles on the valve seats, 15, 30, 45, 60, & 75 degrees nicely blended to form as much of a radius as possible. The hardness of the seats prevents the seats from wearing or "pounding" and changing shape as the engine runs. The most critical area in a head's ports is the 1/4" or so as the seat "blends" into the "throat" of the port. That area critically effects the flow of the port and the valve seat. This is not to say that other areas of the ports are not important. But on an engine with a cam like yours, you could spend a lot of money and time for very little effect. The hotter the engine is, the more important the overall flow of the head and manifolds becomes. On a full race engine, ie cam with over 295 degrees duration, compression over 12: 1 and a power band going up to 7,000 rpm, a lot of power can be picked up by working on the exhaust port flow of the TR-4 . Greg Solow From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat May 12 00:23:47 2012 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 23:23:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Valve job & springs Message-ID: I forgot to mention, We like to improve the oil flow to the valve gear, ie, the top of the cylinder head. The best way to do that is to grind a passage that connects the two oil holes that go into the rear cam bearing housing when the rear cam bearing not in the block. Then the bearing is pressed into place as normal. this allows additional oil to go directly from the drilled hole coming from the rear main bearing up into the drilling that goes up into the head. No external oil lines needed, and the amount of flow allowed is just right. This it even a good thing to do on a street engine. Another way to do this is to grind additional flats like the two original ones on the rear cam journal. These flats connect the spiral grove on the rear cam journal and allow more oil "metering" up to the head. Tony is also right about valve stem seals. Even with the added oil flow gained by the above modifications, you do not need or want valve stem seals on these engines. They will just cause trouble like sticking valves! Greg Solow The Engine Room Morgan & Sports Car Specialists Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 831 429-1800 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat May 12 04:26:01 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:26:01 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Lost some engine power..... In-Reply-To: <20120512035419.393F12D090C@autox.team.net> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035419.393F12D090C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000701cd3029$a27e9710$e77bc530$@com> Was not lucky with the new engine. Could be: - Exhaust with two mufflers - new header - maybe carburetor but dyno man said "it's not the carb, they are flowing great" http://youtu.be/oZcg4IBfYAk Cheers Chris From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sat May 12 08:21:11 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 07:21:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes > is no big deal, don't worry about it. > Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? Teriann From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat May 12 08:39:25 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 10:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-Clearance and Chemistry C. Gee? In-Reply-To: References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> Message-ID: <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> I think we all agree that bronze valve guides are good to use, if: they are properly clearanced...per Greg Solow, for instance. and if they have good material chemistry and properties. OK....CHUCK GEE or other metalurgist, what would you recommend for metal specification? I have seen some suspicious looking valve guides. Is there a supplier that anyone trusts? Being risk adverse, after a bad experience, we went back to oem type material. But if we had control over the source....... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Greg Solow To: Richard Taylor ; 'Tim Murphy' ; 'Kas Kastner' Cc: ryan.murphy ; fot Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 2:20 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers Richard, I presume that by "intake" you mean total valve lift. .430" lift is quite a bit more than stock. I would use bronze guides and would try to obtain exhaust valves that have hard chromed or "plasma coated" stems. We use .0015" to .002" valve stem to guide clearance on the inlets & .002" to .0025" on the exhausts. Valve spring pressure with the valves closed should be 85 to 90 psi. You need to make sure that the spring you use do not go into "coil bind" at full valve lift. With the valve fully open, you must be able to stick a .040" feeler gauge in between the coils of the spring. We still "grind" all of our valve seats, and then lap them with fine compound to make sure we have a good seal. I guess we are "old school". We generally use seat widths of .040" on the exhaust & intake with hardened valve seats installed in the head in both intake and exhausts. I like to use 4 or more angles on the valve seats, 15, 30, 45, 60, & 75 degrees nicely blended to form as much of a radius as possible. The hardness of the seats prevents the seats from wearing or "pounding" and changing shape as the engine runs. The most critical area in a head's ports is the 1/4" or so as the seat "blends" into the "throat" of the port. That area critically effects the flow of the port and the valve seat. This is not to say that other areas of the ports are not important. But on an engine with a cam like yours, you could spend a lot of money and time for very little effect. The hotter the engine is, the more important the overall flow of the head and manifolds becomes. On a full race engine, ie cam with over 295 degrees duration, compression over 12: 1 and a power band going up to 7,000 rpm, a lot of power can be picked up by working on the exhaust port flow of the TR-4 . Greg Solow _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat May 12 09:43:22 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 11:43:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Engine Builder In-Reply-To: <1336771134.27743.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1336771134.27743.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <862A979E-4C13-42BE-8751-723A05BA411E@gdhs.com> Having now had 2 CT's built, one rebuild & one a complete from scratch, head work etc. I am of the opinion the word "reasonable" when describing cost is like a rubber yard stick depending on whether you are the builder or the builder! Sent from my iPhone On May 11, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > assuming the worse... (should start removing the engine tomorrow) ... who does > the group recommend as an engine builder KNOWLEDGEABLE in building a strong, > reliable, engine for my GT6? > > I've had some quotes that seemed way out of line in the past, but I'm exploring > new options for reasonable, and fairly quick turnaround.... > > > Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat May 12 10:02:23 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 11:02:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> Message-ID: Nah, it's in the water jacket area only. If sealed it would block off water on one side with water on the other side, so allowing a little H2O through there doesn't make a difference. Tony At 09:21 AM 5/12/2012, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: >On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: >>Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water >>holes is no big deal, don't worry about it. >Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? > >Teriann From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat May 12 10:17:08 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net><20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> TeriAnn is right. It might be in one of Kas' books, I think. TeriAnn's comprehensive website on heads is back up, according to TeriAnn. Another great resource that we have on the FOT LIST, regardless of competition status. There is a suggestion that this area can flutter and perhaps can disturb the gasket seal. The fix is something like drilling and tapping this area and running a screw down to a solid point in the water passage.....then milling flush. The FOT list is very much alive and well. The Mitty provided some stimulus, methinks. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman To: fot Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 10:37 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes > is no big deal, don't worry about it. > Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? Teriann _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From mdporter at dfn.com Sat May 12 10:27:59 2012 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 10:27:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-Clearance and Chemistry C. Gee? In-Reply-To: <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4FAE8F8F.5050803@dfn.com> On 5/12/2012 8:39 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I think we all agree that bronze valve guides are good to use, if: > > they are properly clearanced...per Greg Solow, for instance. > > and if they have good material chemistry and properties. > > OK....CHUCK GEE or other metalurgist, what would you recommend for metal > specification? > > As a general rule, most all of the guides will be some alloy containing aluminum and phosphorus. The higher the aluminum content, the more likely they are to grow, so one could probably do a comparison by weight, assuming the dimensions were the same from different suppliers. There's one more trick that can be done to bronze guides that isn't useful with the cast-iron variety--knurling. Aluminum bronze guides are more malleable than cast iron. Trying to knurl the cast iron simply causes it to chip, while the bronze guide will deform, making a ridge in the guide bore. Once that ridge has been reamed to the correct size, there are two advantages over using a stock bore. First, the guide tends to retain oil longer, rather than pumping it straight down the guide bore, and second, the contact area of the guide bore is reduced, making the valve less likely to stick. And, even with the reduced area, the wear characteristics are generally better than cast iron, and a good bronze guide can be knurled a couple of times before requiring replacement. Worth some experimentation, maybe. The business about valves sticking, I think, has much to do with improper clearances, and not the material itself, since the natural lubricity of phosphor bronzes is pretty good compared to cast iron, something demonstrated by the ability to use valve stem seals with bronze guides. Once the clearances are set up properly, and good stem seals found, bronze guides should contribute to a more consistently performing engine simply because the ability to use stem seals will reduce the amount of carbon accumulation on the valve heads and stems, keeping flow closer to optimum. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat May 12 10:28:07 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:28:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00fc01cd305c$37a0ec30$a6e2c490$@net> The crack connects two water galleys (galleries, actually. I think it's like footers[Yankees] and footings[the rest of the world]). Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:21 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes > is no big deal, don't worry about it. > Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? Teriann _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat May 12 10:31:45 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? Message-ID: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the crankcase? A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat May 12 10:42:24 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-NOW KNURLING!!!? In-Reply-To: <4FAE8F8F.5050803@dfn.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <4FAE8F8F.5050803@dfn.com> Message-ID: <8CEFE75580BF8E6-27EC-37CE3@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Excellent, Michael! Having been familiar with knurling from 50+ years ago, I quietly mentioned knurling recently and got a positive response. Intuitively, knurling valve guides makes sense to me. I inquired quietly because it had not been mentioned on the list that I was aware of, and didnt want to start a useless thread of controversy. However, there seems to be a consensus that any kind of a seal on our wet sleeve engines is not a good thing. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Porter To: Joe Alexander Cc: gregmogdoc ; tarch ; timmurph ; kaskas ; ryan.murphy ; fot Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 11:28 am Subject: Re: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-Clearance and Chemistry C. Gee? On 5/12/2012 8:39 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I think we all agree that bronze valve guides are good to use, if: > > they are properly clearanced...per Greg Solow, for instance. > > and if they have good material chemistry and properties. > > OK....CHUCK GEE or other metalurgist, what would you recommend for metal > specification? > > As a general rule, most all of the guides will be some alloy containing aluminum and phosphorus. The higher the aluminum content, the more likely they are to grow, so one could probably do a comparison by weight, assuming the dimensions were the same from different suppliers. There's one more trick that can be done to bronze guides that isn't useful with the cast-iron variety--knurling. Aluminum bronze guides are more malleable than cast iron. Trying to knurl the cast iron simply causes it to chip, while the bronze guide will deform, making a ridge in the guide bore. Once that ridge has been reamed to the correct size, there are two advantages over using a stock bore. First, the guide tends to retain oil longer, rather than pumping it straight down the guide bore, and second, the contact area of the guide bore is reduced, making the valve less likely to stick. And, even with the reduced area, the wear characteristics are generally better than cast iron, and a good bronze guide can be knurled a couple of times before requiring replacement. Worth some experimentation, maybe. The business about valves sticking, I think, has much to do with improper clearances, and not the material itself, since the natural lubricity of phosphor bronzes is pretty good compared to cast iron, something demonstrated by the ability to use valve stem seals with bronze guides. Once the clearances are set up properly, and good stem seals found, bronze guides should contribute to a more consistently performing engine simply because the ability to use stem seals will reduce the amount of carbon accumulation on the valve heads and stems, keeping flow closer to optimum. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sat May 12 10:45:29 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 09:45:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net><20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4FAE93A9.7030601@gmail.com> On 5/12/12 9:17 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > TeriAnn is right. > > It might be in one of Kas' books, I think. TeriAnn's comprehensive > website on heads is back up, according to TeriAnn. Yep, still there, but old links will break because the site has moved to a new URL www.tr3a.info So if you want to know things like how a UK fuse corresponds to a US spec fuse, how to space the sticks to be correct for your hood, about the optional PYE radio & where the antenna goes, what tool rolls look like, how to tell which cylinder head is which, how a DCOE works, which hole is used for what in a post TS-60000 TR3A, or just read through some TR service bulletins, just drop on by the web site. > Another great resource that we have on the FOT LIST, regardless of > competition status. Unlike you guys, the older I got the more risk adverse I became. I never got hooked on adrenalin. But I am a data junkie and like to collect information about the TR2-4A's. TeriAnn From tony at tonydrews.com Sat May 12 11:36:29 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:36:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 head crack between water holes In-Reply-To: <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Subject was "[Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers" I think we're talking about different areas of the head. The area Richard was talking about is between the two water holes in the head between Cyl #2 and #3. There's a picture of my (old) head here: http://www.tonydrews.com/2008-9Rebuild/DSCN0536.jpg It pretty clearly shows this area of the head, and you can also see the lines that are the edges of where the head gasket runs. There is no gasket surface area near that particular crack, and the other side of the water jacket (to run the pin / peg against) is far, far away, very deep into the head. On the other hand, there is the idea of "pinning" the head when you mill a bunch off. THAT may have prevented the crack in the head which caused me to have to have a new one prepared. There's some detail about that at the bottom of this otherwise unrelated page: http://www.tonydrews.com/Tony_Car.htm For that, you drill and tap holes around the periphery of the combustion chamber on the opposite side from the valves, screw something through the holes against the other side of the water jacket with some threadlocker, cut them off and have the surface ground / milled smooth. There is also a method of fixing cracks using overlapping screw-type pegs "stitching" I think it's called - that was one possible suggestion for an attempted repair of this crack: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/2012_0331Head_Crack0007.JPG There may be some value in fixing a crack between the water holes between Cylinders 2 and 3, but I'm not seeing it, and "Uncle" Jack always considered that to be a total non-issue. Cracks between the valve seats (another common problem) ARE a big deal. Tony At 11:17 AM 5/12/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >TeriAnn is right. > >It might be in one of Kas' books, I think. TeriAnn's comprehensive website on >heads is back up, according to TeriAnn. Another great resource that we have >on the FOT LIST, regardless of competition status. > >There is a suggestion that this area can flutter and perhaps can disturb the >gasket seal. > >The fix is something like drilling and tapping this area and running a screw >down to a solid point in the water passage.....then milling flush. > >The FOT list is very much alive and well. The Mitty provided some stimulus, >methinks. > > > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >To: fot >Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 10:37 am >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > >On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > > Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes > > is no big deal, don't worry about it. > > >Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? > >Teriann From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat May 12 12:57:03 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <093101cd306e$5d1a4170$0601a8c0@randall> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <093101cd306e$5d1a4170$0601a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <8CEFE882766EE12-27EC-3868A@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Randall, Perhaps I have eliminated one of the check list items...... DID COMPRESSION TEST AND LEAK DOWN....first. Leak down was more than I wanted for this engine and I re-ringed it and result was satisfactory. Still have problem.....I am hoping to find someone who has had this experience. In forty years, this is my first time for this issue. Thanks Randall. Keep them coming. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: 'Joe Alexander' Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 1:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? It's almost certain to be a problem with the rings not making a good seal. The combustion chamber in the head is surrounded by water passages, so a crack there would be leaking combustion into the coolant rather than the crankcase. Ditto the cylinder liners. Possible it could be a broken or cracked piston, but they generally get much worse, very fast. Dunno about your Ambro, but on a TR3 it is quite practical to pull a piston (or all of them) out without pulling the motor first. I replaced this one with the engine still in the car: http://s258.photobucket.com/albums/hh260/TR3driver/Misc%20parts/?action=view ¤t=BrokenTR3piston.jpg -- Randall > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:32 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's > attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes > oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes > air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding > the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3driver at ca.rr.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat May 12 13:33:11 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:33:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 head crack between water holes In-Reply-To: <20120512183921.EE0BA2D09B9@autox.team.net> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net> <4FAE71D7.8050805@gmail.com> <8CEFE71D0382CC2-27EC-37B19@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512183921.EE0BA2D09B9@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <001601cd3076$114967f0$33dc37d0$@com> Thanks Tony, good info! My machinist was concerned about that and now I have some more info for him. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 12:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 head crack between water holes Subject was "[Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers" I think we're talking about different areas of the head. The area Richard was talking about is between the two water holes in the head between Cyl #2 and #3. There's a picture of my (old) head here: http://www.tonydrews.com/2008-9Rebuild/DSCN0536.jpg It pretty clearly shows this area of the head, and you can also see the lines that are the edges of where the head gasket runs. There is no gasket surface area near that particular crack, and the other side of the water jacket (to run the pin / peg against) is far, far away, very deep into the head. On the other hand, there is the idea of "pinning" the head when you mill a bunch off. THAT may have prevented the crack in the head which caused me to have to have a new one prepared. There's some detail about that at the bottom of this otherwise unrelated page: http://www.tonydrews.com/Tony_Car.htm For that, you drill and tap holes around the periphery of the combustion chamber on the opposite side from the valves, screw something through the holes against the other side of the water jacket with some threadlocker, cut them off and have the surface ground / milled smooth. There is also a method of fixing cracks using overlapping screw-type pegs "stitching" I think it's called - that was one possible suggestion for an attempted repair of this crack: http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/2012_0331Head_Crack0007.JPG There may be some value in fixing a crack between the water holes between Cylinders 2 and 3, but I'm not seeing it, and "Uncle" Jack always considered that to be a total non-issue. Cracks between the valve seats (another common problem) ARE a big deal. Tony At 11:17 AM 5/12/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >TeriAnn is right. > >It might be in one of Kas' books, I think. TeriAnn's comprehensive website on >heads is back up, according to TeriAnn. Another great resource that we have >on the FOT LIST, regardless of competition status. > >There is a suggestion that this area can flutter and perhaps can disturb the >gasket seal. > >The fix is something like drilling and tapping this area and running a screw >down to a solid point in the water passage.....then milling flush. > >The FOT list is very much alive and well. The Mitty provided some stimulus, >methinks. > > > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman >To: fot >Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 10:37 am >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > >On 5/11/12 7:53 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > > Richard, the crack between #2 and #3 cylinders between the water holes > > is no big deal, don't worry about it. > > >Shouldn't you at least peg the crack? > >Teriann _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat May 12 13:35:56 2012 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:35:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com ><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net><20120512035420.7E7AF2D08EF@autox.team.net><4FAE71 D7.8050805@gmail.com> <20120512170617.984232D09B1@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Tony & TeriAnn, You may be right about the crack. But on a race engine especially, I like to have the center part of the crack pinned to., in theory at least, lock the front and rear parts of the lower surface of the head together and help prevent any relative movement between them. At least it makes me feel better to do this. If I were starting to prepare a head from scratch, I would look for one with no cracks anywhere. The crack in the center of the bottom is invariably from severe overheating at sometime in the past. There is no telling exactly what other invisible damage there may be that could cause problems in the future. For a street engine this crack, if that is all the damage there is, should not cause any issues. Greg From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sat May 12 13:57:51 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 15:57:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers In-Reply-To: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> Message-ID: <4FAEC0BF.5000200@blacksburg.net> On 5/8/2012 2:40 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > The machinist doing the work on our cylinder head tells me that we only have > about 70 pounds of pressure on the seats. He thinks this is pretty low, in > his experience with other engines. He also asked if I had the assembled > height of the springs, i.e. how much compression when assembled to the head. > He usually has this spec and shims the spring to obtain the specified > height. Lastly, the alloy retainers are pretty beat up and the origin of > the springs are unknown and he thinks they look questionable. Who are the > suppliers of valve springs, retainers, keepers and spring seat hardened > washers for racing purposes? > Tim, Isky has been one recommended source. If you go that way, be sure they have the matching retainers. I ordered a set of their springs to go with the 777 cam I was using, only to find that they wouldn't fit standard TR retainers and they didn't have their own retainers in stock. But if I wanted to order 5K of them, I'd have been good to go. Instead, I went to BFE and Ken fixed me up with his springs and retainers - great combination. Good man there. BTW, I'm using 110# seat pressure. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat May 12 14:28:15 2012 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 13:28:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-Clearance and Chemistry References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com><000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com><011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: At one time in the long ago past we used Phosphor, Aluminum- bronze. We found it very hard, and also very abrasive. It had a tendency to wear through the chrome surface of the valve stems very quickly. For the past 15 years or so we have been using a Manganese- bronze alloy. We had our guides made by Precision Engine Parts to our specifications. The inlet valve guides are tapered where they hang out into the inlet port & the taper actually goes back up into the head so that the contact point between the head and the guide is a straight line around the guide, which it will not be if the guide has a straight od. (because it comes out of the hole in the head into the port through the wall of the port where it is at an angle to the guide. As the guide gets hot and tries to expand, it only touches the head on one side as it projects into the port. This will cause the guide to bend slightly to one side, away from the long side of the port. The exhaust guides we have made with an internal counter-bore on the bottom end. This is copied from the air cooled VW exhaust valve guides. A certain amount of head carbon will accumulate on the part of the exhaust valve stem that hangs out into the port when the exhaust valve is open. When the valve closes, this carbon is pulled back up into the space at the bottom of the guide and will eventually abrade the valve stem and the end of the guide at this point. The counter-bore in the bottom of the guide makes a space for this carbon to go where it will do no damage! Some of the best guides we have used were a process from Winona-Van Norman, an automotive machine shop machinery and tool supplies. They called it "Bronze-wall" It was a bronze alloy "heli-coil" like insert that was installed into a standard iron guide, then "broached" into place and honed to size. When the insert wore out, it could be removed and a new one installed without changing the centerline of the guide. They were very durable and held oil in between the coils of the bronze liner. Kas is familiar with this setup and used it at the Comp Dept., I believe. This only issue is finding someone with the equipment to do the installation. There are no machine shops in my area that can do it. i do not know if Winona Van Norman still supplies the tooling and parts. The higher the cam lift, the faster the lift rates, the more important the guide material, clearance and installation becomes. The same of true of having the correct rocker arm geometry. If this is not correct, there is to much side load placed on the top of the valve stem and the guides will not last, no matter what the material they are made of. There is a Web site called www.mid-lift.com that talks about geometry in great detail. We have found that with the top of the valves at the stock hight above the head, the rocker shaft needs to be lowered about .090" from its stock hight to maintain correct geometry when using a cam that gives around .465" actual lift at the valve. As the lift goes up higher, the rocker shaft needs to be lowered, (or lash caps put on the tips of the valve stems to raise the contact point between the rocker arm and the valve tip. Greg Solow From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat May 12 14:41:52 2012 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 13:41:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil supply to the valve gear of a TR-4 References: <4FAE4BF7020000B60005CF50@mail.vbisd.org> <4FAE4BF8020000B60005CF53@mail.vbisd.org> <4FAE4BF8020000B60005CF53@mail.vbisd.org> Message-ID: <13C94FC82C524B0EB1CD01C786C1F590@your89d26e0447> I you have a stripped block, and you look down the oil hole drilling from the rear main bearing that goes to the rear calm bearing bore, you will see that there is a manufactured in restriction in that hole right near the main bearing. I can't tell you the exact size, but I think it is around 1/8" or so. The rest of the drilling is larger than 1/4". So this is the hole size that meters oil to the cam bearing. I grind a groove with a die grinder that has a 1/4" ball burr on the end. I try to go about 1/8" deep and 3/16" or so wide into the iron of the block. If by chance you get to much oil flow to the head, you can meter this by installing a jet into the horizontal hole in the head that has a bolt plugging its open end on the rear of the cylinder head. You can remove the bolt, tap the hole and screw in a plug with any size hole in it you wish. So this can be done with the engine installed in the car and the head on, if the drilling and tapping is done before hand. I drilled one head to accept Holley main jets as metering plugs. I have never had to make use of this feature. Greg Solow From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat May 12 15:45:02 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 21:45:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it would force out water before oil starts leaking. A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is getting forced to the valve area. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 To: Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the crankcase? A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From rocky at spitfire4.com Sat May 12 17:23:10 2012 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 18:23:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Carroll Shelby dead Message-ID: <6198D98A0F6440DDA33CA005CE2966BB@rocky> Hard to believe not a single comment about "Ol' Shel," who died Thursday night. On topic? The Cobra was a Brit chassis, by AP. Met him once, during a press tour of his factory in LA. He served up his famous chili. Famous in the sports car racing, chicken ranching, chili cooking and medical worlds (lived 22 years with a heart transplant). May the road rise up to meet you, Carroll. --Rocky Entriken From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat May 12 17:35:30 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 18:35:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <20120512225832.4286A2D09CB@autox.team.net> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.4286A2D09CB@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <0BAC2036-1FA0-436A-B2DE-9A583FDDC58D@austin.rr.com> Wouldn't the first step be a leakdown test to see if air hisses out of the crankcase ? Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Joe, > > Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it would force out water before oil starts leaking. > A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is getting forced to the valve area. > > Cheers > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 > To: > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sat May 12 18:47:48 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 19:47:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> Joe, I have had head gaskets that leaked and pressurized both the crankcase and the coolant passages. However, the most common reasons for over pressurized crankcases that i have experienced are improperly seated, broken or worn rings and holes in pistons. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Joe, > > Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it would force out water before oil starts leaking. > A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is getting forced to the valve area. > > Cheers > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 > To: > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat May 12 19:10:34 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 21:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Mike, I changed the head to lower the compression to use pump gas as i drive the Ambro on the street. I am now wondering if this isnt where the problem started. I drove the Ambro to Minneapolis 200+ miles, following 'uncle jack', the Stag and Johnmac at Freeway speeds. It had the old head and it didnt leak any oil. My time working on this car is far apart in time so I tend to lose continuity. What can there be about this head that would do this? i am not losing coolant, btw. Thanks Mike and all. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson To: tr4racing Cc: Joe Alexander ; fot-bounces ; fot Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 7:48 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? Joe, I have had head gaskets that leaked and pressurized both the crankcase and the coolant passages. However, the most common reasons for over pressurized crankcases that i have experienced are improperly seated, broken or worn rings and holes in pistons. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Joe, > > Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it would force out water before oil starts leaking. > A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is getting forced to the valve area. > > Cheers > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 > To: > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sat May 12 19:49:37 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 20:49:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It sounds to me like compression gasses are pressurizing your crankcase. So there may be an issue like a crack or casting flaw with your head or a poor sealing head gasket. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2012, at 8:10 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Mike, > > I changed the head to lower the compression to use pump gas as i drive the Ambro on the street. > > I am now wondering if this isnt where the problem started. > > I drove the Ambro to Minneapolis 200+ miles, following 'uncle jack', the Stag and Johnmac at Freeway speeds. It had the old head and it didnt leak any oil. > > My time working on this car is far apart in time so I tend to lose continuity. > > What can there be about this head that would do this? i am not losing coolant, btw. > > Thanks Mike and all. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Munson > To: tr4racing > Cc: Joe Alexander ; fot-bounces ; fot > Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 7:48 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > Joe, I have had head gaskets that leaked and pressurized both the crankcase and > the coolant passages. However, the most common reasons for over pressurized > crankcases that i have experienced are improperly seated, broken or worn rings > and holes in pistons. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > > > Hi Joe, > > > > Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it > would force out water before oil starts leaking. > > A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is > getting forced to the valve area. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Alexander > > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 > > To: > > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. > > > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless > > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the > > crankcase? > > > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem > > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > A. R. E. > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From dlhogye at comcast.net Sat May 12 21:05:06 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 03:05:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Carroll Shelby dead In-Reply-To: <6198D98A0F6440DDA33CA005CE2966BB@rocky> Message-ID: <1262980841.279382.1336878306241.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Indeed sad news. 'been a fan since about '67, age 4. Hooked on cars ever since. My friends dad had 2 427 Cobras. His mom still has evidence of a scar on her calf from a hot sidepipe. Regrettably, he sold both and bought a new '69 427 Vette. R.I.P. Mr. Shelby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Entriken" To: ".Triumph List" Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:23:10 PM Subject: [Fot] Carroll Shelby dead Hard to believe not a single comment about "Ol' Shel," who died Thursday night. On topic? The Cobra was a Brit chassis, by AP. Met him once, during a press tour of his factory in LA. He served up his famous chili. Famous in the sports car racing, chicken ranching, chili cooking and medical worlds (lived 22 years with a heart transplant). May the road rise up to meet you, Carroll. --Rocky Entriken _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From kaskas at cox.net Sun May 13 17:12:38 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 23:12:38 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Atlanta Message-ID: Thanks to all the heros that supported the event for the 10th Kastner Cup. It was more than terrific. Great people and cars and racing. In the end, 31 drivers made it for the cup race and there was a high degree of racing and hopefully a lot of fun. The Triumph clubs all came in and supported the event and make Triumph the car of the day even yet again. Tim Studdard and the crew from Grassroots Motorsports along with the FOT, Joe Alexander and HSR made this one event that will be hard for anyone to top.Thanks to all for a great time. Never be beaten by equipment From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sun May 13 19:59:57 2012 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 11:59:57 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Re-valve guides revisited Message-ID: this is what i had to say a few months back and see no reason to change my view................ ********************************************** in our engine shop, we avoid bronze guides unless we really have to use them such as with some specially coated titanium valves cast iron guides last for a very long time under very arduous conditions about the only OE manufacturer that I've seen that routinely uses a bronze guide is M Benz, and they are a very special product and only used in some of their engines not all bronze guides are equal. we have encountered numerous grades. all of them are notoriously difficult to size. we have special tooling to deal with them. there is an argument that some types of bronze guides can run lower clearances and therfore improve heat transfer from valve stem to guide. i have never seen any documented or visual proof of this . IMHO, especially with older cars like TR's, they are mostly a marketing fad, with unscrupulous vendors appealing to the 'go faster" set ***************************************************************************** there has been some mention in the posts over the last week of bronze guide liners. these are still very common with budget priced rebuilds , with the american K-line brand being very common, and especially good for some american V8's where the guides are not removable. whilst we use them occasionally, we use cast iron "sleeves" (called thin wall guides) where possible to repair these types of heads. if we have a metallurgist amongst us, then some real advice on bronze guide composition would be good. my challenge to all the readers of this subject is for someone to demonstrate some real world benefits in old engines, over an above a properly fitted & reamed cast iron guide . Terry From jaboruch at netzero.net Sun May 13 20:10:21 2012 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 02:10:21 GMT Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? Message-ID: <20120513.221021.25884.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Joe, you could have a head gasket leak from a cylinder to the lifter valley. Years ago I suspected this, so I started adding a fine copper wire to the head gasket around the lifter valley, with a heavier gauge wire around the cylinders. I would think that something would have shown up with the leak down or compression test, but maybe it is only showing up with the higher combustion pressures? Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Joe Alexander To: TR3driver at ca.rr.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 14:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Randall, Perhaps I have eliminated one of the check list items...... DID COMPRESSION TEST AND LEAK DOWN....first. Leak down was more than I wanted for this engine and I re-ringed it and result was satisfactory. Still have problem.....I am hoping to find someone who has had this experience. In forty years, this is my first time for this issue. Thanks Randall. Keep them coming. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: 'Joe Alexander' Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 1:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? It's almost certain to be a problem with the rings not making a good seal. The combustion chamber in the head is surrounded by water passages, so a crack there would be leaking combustion into the coolant rather than the crankcase. Ditto the cylinder liners. Possible it could be a broken or cracked piston, but they generally get much worse, very fast. Dunno about your Ambro, but on a TR3 it is quite practical to pull a piston (or all of them) out without pulling the motor first. I replaced this one with the engine still in the car: http://s258.photobucket.com/albums/hh260/TR3driver/Misc%20parts/?action=view ¤t=BrokenTR3piston.jpg -- Randall > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:32 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's > attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes > oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes > air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding > the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr3driver at ca.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4fb069d2c4d8b14df7d9st05duc From chasgee at aol.com Sun May 13 21:44:35 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 20:44:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VALVE GUIDES REVISITED-Clearance and Chemistry C. Gee? In-Reply-To: <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> References: <001801cd2d4a$073f4830$15bdd890$@com> <000001cd2d64$94fd4c20$bef7e460$@com> <011101cd2f78$a9be1480$fd3a3d80$@net> <8CEFE6429F2AC44-27EC-36FFE@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3413392B-B453-4335-A8E8-92FCF2EFD1D8@aol.com> Hi Joe, I don't remember the exact alloy we (Jerry Barker and I) use, I'll have to check through my records and report back. As others have said, they just have to have proper clearance, which is looser than cast iron versions, IIRC. We run very small diameter titanium valves which might be why we have no problems (less surface area). Chuck On May 12, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I think we all agree that bronze valve guides are good to use, if: > > they are properly clearanced...per Greg Solow, for instance. > > and if they have good material chemistry and properties. > > OK....CHUCK GEE or other metalurgist, what would you recommend for metal > specification? > > I have seen some suspicious looking valve guides. Is there a supplier that > anyone trusts? > > Being risk adverse, after a bad experience, we went back to oem type material. > But if we had control over the source....... > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Solow > To: Richard Taylor ; 'Tim Murphy' > ; 'Kas Kastner' > Cc: ryan.murphy ; fot > Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 2:20 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Valve spring - pressure, assembled height, suppliers > > > Richard, > I presume that by "intake" you mean total valve lift. .430" lift is > quite a bit more than stock. I would use bronze guides and would try to > obtain exhaust valves that have hard chromed or "plasma coated" stems. We > use .0015" to .002" valve stem to guide clearance on the inlets & .002" to > .0025" on the exhausts. Valve spring pressure with the valves closed should > be 85 to 90 psi. You need to make sure that the spring you use do not go > into "coil bind" at full valve lift. With the valve fully open, you must be > able to stick a .040" feeler gauge in between the coils of the spring. > We still "grind" all of our valve seats, and then lap them with fine > compound to make sure we have a good seal. I guess we are "old school". We > generally use seat widths of .040" on the exhaust & intake with hardened > valve seats installed in the head in both intake and exhausts. I like to > use 4 or more angles on the valve seats, 15, 30, 45, 60, & 75 degrees nicely > blended to form as much of a radius as possible. The hardness of the seats > prevents the seats from wearing or "pounding" and changing shape as the > engine runs. The most critical area in a head's ports is the 1/4" or so as > the seat "blends" into the "throat" of the port. That area critically > effects the flow of the port and the valve seat. This is not to say that > other areas of the ports are not important. But on an engine with a cam like > yours, you could spend a lot of money and time for very little effect. The > hotter the engine is, the more important the overall flow of the head and > manifolds becomes. On a full race engine, ie cam with over 295 degrees > duration, compression over 12: 1 and a power band going up to 7,000 rpm, a > lot of power can be picked up by working on the exhaust port flow of the > TR-4 . > > Greg Solow > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun May 13 21:48:41 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 20:48:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Re-valve guides revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0a7601cd3184$746320b0$0601a8c0@randall> > about the only OE manufacturer that I've seen that routinely > uses a bronze > guide is M Benz, and they are a very special product and only > used in some > of their engines FWIW (not much) I recall reading that GM used bronze alloy guides in their supercharged Corvair; due to unacceptable wear with cast-iron guides. But the same engine naturally aspirated used cast iron. -- Randall From mark at bradakis.com Sun May 13 23:10:24 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 23:10:24 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Fot] Team.Net notes Message-ID: <20120514051024.4F6E82E059@bradakis.com> In case you are wondering: http://www.team.net/status.html mjb. From igofaster at att.net Mon May 14 12:41:14 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 11:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] gt6 Message-ID: <1337020874.6004.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> preliminary report is .. engine is out on a stand, removed oil pan... #2 piston is in a million pieces. The rod is there with the pin. There is a hole in the cylinder wall toward the flywheel end... from the bottom, initially the valves look okay, but that is optimism. Hole in the cylinder wall is trash right? Head is coming off next, more this afternoon... Bobby.... From jsnook at wcnet.org Mon May 14 12:54:11 2012 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 14:54:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Water Temp Gauge Message-ID: <00e001cd3202$f381b5e0$da8521a0$@org> Hi all, Looking for an original style (Jaeger domed glass) water temp gauge for my TR3A. Anyone know of one for sale (that works) or a source for rebuilding. Vroom, vroom, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 (Mobile) From igofaster at att.net Mon May 14 14:00:40 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 13:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] gt6... Message-ID: <1337025640.72090.YahooMailRC@web180805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> there's a hole in my engine, where the piston went.... I've been singing that along to an old Crowded House tune "Hole in the River" .... I THINK the head is okay.. the valves on #2 look mostly unscathed... I'll send some pictures tonight or tomorrow morning... I wanna a shower and go play guitar... even though I'm not a blues fan... I'll play at least one BB King tribute... blues.... Bobby From bownes at seiri.com Mon May 14 15:22:47 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 17:22:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] gt6 In-Reply-To: <1337020874.6004.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1337020874.6004.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Unless you are a serious miracle worker, the hole in the block is fatal. At least for the block. Bob On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > preliminary report is .. engine is out on a stand, removed oil pan... #2 > piston > is in a million pieces. The rod is there with the pin. There is a hole in > the > cylinder wall toward the flywheel end... from the bottom, initially the > valves > look okay, but that is optimism. Hole in the cylinder wall is trash right? > Head is coming off next, more this afternoon... Bobby.... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Mon May 14 16:13:47 2012 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 08:13:47 +1000 Subject: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited Message-ID: i think you guys are missing the point. bronze guides were intended to be able to run *smaller* clearances for better heat transfer. there is absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed stem valves (very rare nowadays). you want the absolute minimum for best heat transfer. Terry From robertten1 at aol.com Mon May 14 16:53:40 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube Message-ID: <8CF003B89FF85EF-1D10-98055@webmail-d023.sysops.aol.com> Amici Triumphi ! While working on building and installing the engine in my Spit, I realized I might if tossed the distance tube for the dipstick. This is the part that presses into the block on later Spit engines, mine being an early 1500. There is a part number for it ( 121831 ) and it is also used on the TR7 engines. I guess painting it yellow didn't stop me from loosing, tossing,it (?). So my question is there anyone out there that can help me acquire one of these, and I am willing to pay for it. Thanks in advance, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon May 14 18:14:49 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 17:14:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02c301cd322f$be42c130$3ac84390$@rr.com> > there > is absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed > stem valves (very rare nowadays). Or don't want the exhaust valves to stick open when the guides get good and hot, and expand inward (because they can't expand outward against the cast iron head). BTDT -- Randall From mdporter at dfn.com Mon May 14 18:26:32 2012 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:26:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FB1A2B8.9080403@dfn.com> On 5/14/2012 4:13 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote: > i think you guys are missing the point. bronze guides were intended to be > able to run *smaller* clearances for better heat transfer. there > is absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed > stem valves (very rare nowadays). you want the absolute minimum for best > heat transfer. > Umm, the issue is not the cold clearance, but the hot running clearance. Since the thermal coefficient of expansion of bronze is, depending upon type, about 2-1/2 to 3 times that of cast iron, their use in cast iron heads requires additional cold clearance, so that the hot running clearance is adequate. When the guide grows with heat, the actual running bore gets smaller, because the mechanical strength of the cast iron is higher and the coefficient of expansion is lower than that of the bronze. This is a matter rarely of concern when using bronze guides in an aluminum head, since the coefficients of expansion are closer to the same (a ratio of perhaps 3 to 4), but with cast iron, a much bigger deal because the ratio is more like 3 to 1. This is why so many racers in this country have experienced valves sticking when using the recommended factory cold clearance (appropriate only for cast-iron guides). Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From chasgee at aol.com Mon May 14 20:44:15 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 22:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF005BC08FBCF4-2C4-60623@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com> Actually, I don't think I'm missing anything. You should only be concerned with the clearances AT TEMPERATURE. Cast iron has a Coefficient of Thermal Expansion of around 6 micro inches/inch per degree F. Most bronze alloys are around 10, so the guides will grow quite a bit more and cause the bore to shrink more compared to cast iron guides. Now couple this with a change to 300 series stainless steel valves (CTE of 14), and you have a real mess compared to the stock set up. You have to take these differences into consideration when establishing the room temperature clearances using materials other than stock. I use bronze guides because those are readily available for my custom application. I also use the recommended clearance provided by the guide manufacturer for the valve material. Sure, I can make them a little tighter to get better heat transfer, but I'm guessing the gain will be very small for the potential tradeoff in reliability. I can get more performance out of my car by eating salad for a few months (after all, salad does equal speed). To be honest, I've used bronze guides now for over 15 years and couldn't really tell you if the room temperature clearance is larger or smaller compared to cast iron. My educated guess is that it is larger, simply because the materials used have greater CTEs. But feel free to tighten up the room temperature clearance with bronze guides and stainless steel valves. I can almost guarantee you will get them to stick. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Enquiries Road & Track To: fot Sent: Mon, May 14, 2012 4:56 pm Subject: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited i think you guys are missing the point. bronze guides were intended to be ble to run *smaller* clearances for better heat transfer. there s absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed tem valves (very rare nowadays). you want the absolute minimum for best eat transfer. erry ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 14 21:09:25 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 22:09:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited In-Reply-To: <4FB1A2B8.9080403@dfn.com> References: <4FB1A2B8.9080403@dfn.com> Message-ID: One of the FOT shared some calculations with me concerning the shrinking of clearances when hot... With Bronze guides with 0.004" clearance and Stainless Steel valves with 5/16" stems, when the exhaust valve hits 1000 degrees there will be 0" of clearance. I have no way to check the math and it's way above my pay grade, but what Michael is describing is exactly the issue in my mind. You want to run a clearance just big enough to avoid sticking the valves. I can't argue that Bronze is better than Iron for the guides, but a number of have found that if you don't run "enough" clearance, bad things can occur - and they get infinitely worse if you have enough lift that you're running an interference valve train. The conventional wisdom seemed to be that the iron guides had higher wear or were somehow inferior to Bronze but I'm really unclear where that notion came from. Tony At 07:26 PM 5/14/2012, Michael Porter wrote: >On 5/14/2012 4:13 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote: >>i think you guys are missing the point. bronze guides were intended to be >>able to run *smaller* clearances for better heat transfer. there >>is absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed >>stem valves (very rare nowadays). you want the absolute minimum for best >>heat transfer. > >Umm, the issue is not the cold clearance, but the hot running >clearance. Since the thermal coefficient of expansion of bronze is, >depending upon type, about 2-1/2 to 3 times that of cast iron, their >use in cast iron heads requires additional cold clearance, so that >the hot running clearance is adequate. When the guide grows with >heat, the actual running bore gets smaller, because the mechanical >strength of the cast iron is higher and the coefficient of expansion >is lower than that of the bronze. > >This is a matter rarely of concern when using bronze guides in an >aluminum head, since the coefficients of expansion are closer to the >same (a ratio of perhaps 3 to 4), but with cast iron, a much bigger >deal because the ratio is more like 3 to 1. This is why so many >racers in this country have experienced valves sticking when using >the recommended factory cold clearance (appropriate only for cast-iron guides). > > >Cheers. > >-- > > >Michael Porter >Roswell, NM > > >Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking >distance.... From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue May 15 08:12:25 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 07:12:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] gt6 References: <1337020874.6004.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <74D16842B9EA437C945DB5DD951A71C2@Charly> NOPE!, I had a hole in a block and a little damage to the cylinder on my 6 and I had a new liner fit and the hole welded up. As long as you didn't do any structural damage, it's salvageable, especially if you've had lots of machine work done to it. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bownes" To: "Bobby Whitehead" Cc: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] gt6 > Unless you are a serious miracle worker, the hole in the block is fatal. > At > least for the block. > > > Bob > > > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Bobby Whitehead > wrote: > >> preliminary report is .. engine is out on a stand, removed oil pan... #2 >> piston >> is in a million pieces. The rod is there with the pin. There is a hole in >> the >> cylinder wall toward the flywheel end... from the bottom, initially the >> valves >> look okay, but that is optimism. Hole in the cylinder wall is trash >> right? >> Head is coming off next, more this afternoon... Bobby.... >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue May 15 10:47:11 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 11:47:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000c01cd32ba$5ff77090$1fe651b0$@com> Joe, I may have missed this on this thread, but have you done a compression check? This should show the results of some of the possible causes I've seen mentioned. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:11 PM To: fasttrs at yahoo.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? Mike, I changed the head to lower the compression to use pump gas as i drive the Ambro on the street. I am now wondering if this isnt where the problem started. I drove the Ambro to Minneapolis 200+ miles, following 'uncle jack', the Stag and Johnmac at Freeway speeds. It had the old head and it didnt leak any oil. My time working on this car is far apart in time so I tend to lose continuity. What can there be about this head that would do this? i am not losing coolant, btw. Thanks Mike and all. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson To: tr4racing Cc: Joe Alexander ; fot-bounces ; fot Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 7:48 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? Joe, I have had head gaskets that leaked and pressurized both the crankcase and the coolant passages. However, the most common reasons for over pressurized crankcases that i have experienced are improperly seated, broken or worn rings and holes in pistons. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Joe, > > Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking it would force out water before oil starts leaking. > A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas is getting forced to the valve area. > > Cheers > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Alexander > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 > To: > Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. > > It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. > > This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA > > After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out regardless > of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? > > I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. > > Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the > crankcase? > > A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the problem > before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From joeg at neb.rr.com Tue May 15 05:15:32 2012 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 06:15:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube (Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 37) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301cd328c$0b3008c0$21901a40$@rr.com> Bob, I probably have one in a spare 1500 block. Any idea of the correct length? Were there more than one lengths available? I'll check what I have and let you know - will have to be tomorrow though. If I have what you need, it's yours for the postage. Will just need an address. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE ---------------------------Original Message------------------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:40 -0400 (EDT) From: robertten1 at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube Amici Triumphi ! While working on building and installing the engine in my Spit, I realized I might if tossed the distance tube for the dipstick. This is the part that presses into the block on later Spit engines, mine being an early 1500. There is a part number for it ( 121831 ) and it is also used on the TR7 engines. I guess painting it yellow didn't stop me from loosing, tossing,it (?). So my question is there anyone out there that can help me acquire one of these, and I am willing to pay for it. Thanks in advance, Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser From tedtsimx at bright.net Tue May 15 13:14:59 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 15:14:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirt reprint Message-ID: <4FB2AB33.3090208@bright.net> Hello list members. We did not receive enough orders to reprint the Kas Cup shirt. For those who did order, thanks for the effort. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US& Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue May 15 14:28:30 2012 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 14:28:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Air filter screens Message-ID: Would anyone have an extra pair of 3" 'slip on' Air Horn filter screens? These horns are for a CD-150 set. thanks! Kevin From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Tue May 15 14:54:04 2012 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 20:54:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] bleeding hydraulic throw out bearing Message-ID: <877960714.375330.1337115244590.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Can i get a run down on the bleed procedure for a hydraulic bearing> In the past i just let gravity do the work but i don't have the clutch peddle as before, the shifts are sticky as well as reverse grinds a lot to engage and hard to pull out I ran this on jack stands up to about 3kB rpmB B B thanksB rob From jkhagen at charter.net Tue May 15 15:43:15 2012 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 17:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube (Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 37) Message-ID: <4334252f.1d4d1d.13752747ec2.Webtop.44@charter.net> Spitfire racers/street owners--Dean Johnson [e/f prod. national champion] is selling all his Spitfire cars and parts--too many to mention. E-mail dean at motorscop.net John Hagen On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Joe Guinan wrote: > Bob, > > I probably have one in a spare 1500 block. Any idea of the correct > length? > Were there more than one lengths available? I'll check what I have > and let > you know - will have to be tomorrow though. If I have what you need, > it's > yours for the postage. Will just need an address. > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > ---------------------------Original > Message------------------------------------------ > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:40 -0400 (EDT) > From: robertten1 at aol.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube > > Amici Triumphi ! > > While working on building and installing the engine in my Spit, I > realized I > might if tossed the distance tube for the dipstick. This is the part > that > presses into the block on later Spit engines, mine being an early > 1500. > There > is a part number for it ( 121831 ) and it is also used on the TR7 > engines. > I > guess painting it yellow didn't stop me from loosing, tossing,it (?). > > So my question is there anyone out there that can help me acquire one > of > these, and I am willing to pay for it. > > Thanks in advance, > Bob T > > '64 Spit GT autocrosser > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue May 15 20:06:27 2012 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 02:06:27 GMT Subject: [Fot] bleeding hydraulic throw out bearing Message-ID: <20120515.220627.24810.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com> I have a braided hose that runs from the hydraulic bearing up into the passenger compartment, which has bleeder at the end of the hose. I use a pressure bleeder and push the fluid thru and out the bleeder. Joe(B) ---------- Original Message ---------- From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net To: FOT team Subject: [Fot] bleeding hydraulic throw out bearing Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 20:54:04 +0000 (UTC) Can i get a run down on the bleed procedure for a hydraulic bearing> In the past i just let gravity do the work but i don't have the clutch peddle as before, the shifts are sticky as well as reverse grinds a lot to engage and hard to pull out I ran this on jack stands up to about 3kB rpmB B B thanksB rob _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jaboruch at netzero.net ____________________________________________________________ The New "Skinny" Fruit How This Strange 62-Cent African Fruit Is Making Americans Skinny. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4fb30bfb3993415e4fc7st06duc From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue May 15 21:03:56 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 22:03:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited In-Reply-To: <20120515044330.7E8E02D094A@autox.team.net> References: <4FB1A2B8.9080403@dfn.com> <20120515044330.7E8E02D094A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000301cd3310$8881e580$9985b080$@com> I had sent Tony the spread sheet some time ago analyzing the clearance between the guide and the valve at various temperatures. This is based on the coefficient of expansion of cast iron (cylinder head, 6.0X10b;b6 In / In / Deg. F.), manganese bronze (guides, 11.8X10b;b6 In / In / Deg. F.) and valves (21-4N stainless steel 9.9X10b;b6 In / In / Deg. F.). I think, based on an internet search, that 21-4N is the common stainless steel used for exhaust valves. The model is based on the bore in the cylinder head being smaller than the O.D. of the guide at operating temperature due to the differences in their coefficient of expansion, just as others have recently mentioned. This makes the bore or I.D. of the guide smaller at operating temperature. The biggest factor is the coefficient of expansion of the valve being almost double that of the cast iron, which controls the I.D. of the guide. I've since refined the model to incorporate different rates of temperature rise in the head, guide and valve stem. The next thing to do was to get better data on the operating temperatures, particularly in a race environment. I've been searching the internet trying to get an idea on temperatures of the exhaust valve, guide and cylinder head. So far I've found that the surface of the combustion chamber is in the neighborhood of 266 to 496 degrees F. Then I found that exhaust valves run in the area of 1000 degrees F. The interesting thing was that the point was made that the valve is only "exposed" to the exhaust gases for 1 out of 4 of the cycles, more or less. The point being that there is a lot of time to transfer the heat to the seat (which transfers the most heat) and the guide. Question: I am aware of the "downside" of not having enough clearance, i.e. a stuck valve, but what is the "downside" of too much clearance? I think we are talking about a clearance of 0.004 versus 0.002 on the diameter of the exhaust valve, cold. That's only a difference of 0.001 on a side, cold! And at operating temperatures the difference will be quite a bit less. A stuck valve can cost a race weekend and more, what can a "loose" guide cost? Tim Murphy -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 10:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] RE -valve guides revisited One of the FOT shared some calculations with me concerning the shrinking of clearances when hot... With Bronze guides with 0.004" clearance and Stainless Steel valves with 5/16" stems, when the exhaust valve hits 1000 degrees there will be 0" of clearance. I have no way to check the math and it's way above my pay grade, but what Michael is describing is exactly the issue in my mind. You want to run a clearance just big enough to avoid sticking the valves. I can't argue that Bronze is better than Iron for the guides, but a number of have found that if you don't run "enough" clearance, bad things can occur - and they get infinitely worse if you have enough lift that you're running an interference valve train. The conventional wisdom seemed to be that the iron guides had higher wear or were somehow inferior to Bronze but I'm really unclear where that notion came from. Tony At 07:26 PM 5/14/2012, Michael Porter wrote: >On 5/14/2012 4:13 PM, Enquiries Road & Track wrote: >>i think you guys are missing the point. bronze guides were intended to be >>able to run *smaller* clearances for better heat transfer. there >>is absolutely no point in increasing clearances unless you have chromed >>stem valves (very rare nowadays). you want the absolute minimum for best >>heat transfer. > >Umm, the issue is not the cold clearance, but the hot running >clearance. Since the thermal coefficient of expansion of bronze is, >depending upon type, about 2-1/2 to 3 times that of cast iron, their >use in cast iron heads requires additional cold clearance, so that >the hot running clearance is adequate. When the guide grows with >heat, the actual running bore gets smaller, because the mechanical >strength of the cast iron is higher and the coefficient of expansion >is lower than that of the bronze. > >This is a matter rarely of concern when using bronze guides in an >aluminum head, since the coefficients of expansion are closer to the >same (a ratio of perhaps 3 to 4), but with cast iron, a much bigger >deal because the ratio is more like 3 to 1. This is why so many >racers in this country have experienced valves sticking when using >the recommended factory cold clearance (appropriate only for cast-iron guides). > > >Cheers. > >-- > > >Michael Porter >Roswell, NM > > >Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking >distance.... _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From igofaster at att.net Tue May 15 08:55:31 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 07:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 / Spitfire and Engine Message-ID: <1337093731.4254.YahooMailRC@web180819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Talked to Ted at TSI thinking the engine block is terminal. I did tear into it a little farther removing the pistons and rods. #2 bearing on the rod (which is bent) is worn paper thin and probably gave way. 1000 pieces of the piston were in the oil pan, not worthy of photographs. The crank on #2 rod shows some damage, I think it was turned .020 last time and I'm not smart enough to know if this damage can be polished out, I'm guessing not. There was some pitting on the #2 lifter, some scorching on the outside of the #1 lifter to.. there was some other anomalies with a couple of the other bearings, and one or two lifters. Several other pistons were damaged or broken with bits and pieces of the destroyed piston moving throughout the engine. My knees were giving out , so that's where I was at last night... I'll try to post some photos this afternoon. on another note, I have my 1965 Race prepared Spitfire I'm getting ready to list and sell on eBay if anyone is interested. It needs some attention, but is probably close to being ready as I was in the middle of a complete rewiring of the electrical. It has a 1500 in it, two or three heads, robust chassis and roll cage. $4000.00 ... I also have a 1300 small journal engine that I rebuilt with head. Will need a race cam and custom pushrods to finish into a race engine. Otherwise the engine only had about 60,000 miles on it and the crankshaft and rods did NOT need to be turned so they were 0.000 (stock) bearings. I did re-sleeve the block, put 0.030 pistons in and had the short block balanced... I've got $4000.00+ in it at this point... $2000.00 is a deal for somebody... Bobby Whitehead .... onward through the fog! From rjl6n at cstone.net Wed May 16 04:45:53 2012 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (Water Rescue Chief) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 06:45:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? In-Reply-To: <000c01cd32ba$5ff77090$1fe651b0$@com> References: <8CEFE73DAF0D4F2-27EC-37BEB@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <20120512225832.EF8A42D0A02@autox.team.net> <7D4A3EBB-DC5D-4DC6-9B01-3E82B83B2531@yahoo.com> <8CEFEBC557F7FCE-27EC-398A8@webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com> <000c01cd32ba$5ff77090$1fe651b0$@com> Message-ID: <3b86c7d9e67391237050c78cffc8f3dc.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Joe and Tim, A leakdown test might be even more informative. Good luck, John On Tue, May 15, 2012 12:47 pm, Tim Murphy wrote: > Joe, > I may have missed this on this thread, but have you done a > compression check? This should show the results of some of the possible > causes I've seen mentioned. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Joe Alexander > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 8:11 PM > To: fasttrs at yahoo.com; tr4racing at googlemail.com > Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > Mike, > > I changed the head to lower the compression to use pump gas as i drive the > Ambro on the street. > > I am now wondering if this isnt where the problem started. > > I drove the Ambro to Minneapolis 200+ miles, following 'uncle jack', the > Stag > and Johnmac at Freeway speeds. It had the old head and it didnt leak any > oil. > > My time working on this car is far apart in time so I tend to lose > continuity. > > What can there be about this head that would do this? i am not losing > coolant, > btw. > > Thanks Mike and all. > > > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Munson > To: tr4racing > Cc: Joe Alexander ; fot-bounces > ; > fot > Sent: Sat, May 12, 2012 7:48 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? > > > Joe, I have had head gaskets that leaked and pressurized both the > crankcase > and > the coolant passages. However, the most common reasons for over > pressurized > crankcases that i have experienced are improperly seated, broken or worn > rings > and holes in pistons. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 12, 2012, at 4:45 PM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > >> Hi Joe, >> >> Piston rings would be my first guess. If the head gasket would leaking >> it > would force out water before oil starts leaking. >> A wild idea is that your exhaust valve guide is too wide and exhaust gas > is > getting forced to the valve area. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joe Alexander >> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 12 May 2012 12:31:45 >> To: >> Subject: [Fot] Help! Ambro engine crankcase internal pressures. ???? >> >> I need to develop a list of possible causes of internal pressures. >> >> It's been going on for a long time, but the Ambro get's attention last. >> >> This list is alive and well and I need help..................TIA >> >> After about 3,000 RPM or so, the pressure builds and pushes oil out > regardless >> of methods of venting. What are the possibilities? >> >> I really hate to pull the engine without an idea of the cause. >> >> Is there any possibility of a crack in the head that pushes air into the >> crankcase? >> >> A list of possibilities would be very useful to me. Finding the >> problem >> before pulling engine would make me very happy.....begging. >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From jkhagen at charter.net Wed May 16 08:05:43 2012 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube (Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 37) Message-ID: <7c3fe190.1d7cd7.13755f7f7ec.Webtop.49@charter.net> Sorry- That was dean at motorscope.net On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:43 PM, jkhagen at charter.net wrote: > Spitfire racers/street owners--Dean Johnson [e/f prod. national > champion] is selling all his Spitfire cars and parts--too many to > mention. > E-mail dean at motorscop.net John Hagen > > > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Joe Guinan wrote: > >> Bob, >> >> I probably have one in a spare 1500 block. Any idea of the correct >> length? >> Were there more than one lengths available? I'll check what I have >> and let >> you know - will have to be tomorrow though. If I have what you need, >> it's >> yours for the postage. Will just need an address. >> >> Joe Guinan >> Fremont, NE >> ---------------------------Original >> Message------------------------------------------ >> Message: 6 >> Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:40 -0400 (EDT) >> From: robertten1 at aol.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube >> >> Amici Triumphi ! >> >> While working on building and installing the engine in my Spit, I >> realized I >> might if tossed the distance tube for the dipstick. This is the part >> that >> presses into the block on later Spit engines, mine being an early >> 1500. >> There >> is a part number for it ( 121831 ) and it is also used on the TR7 >> engines. >> I >> guess painting it yellow didn't stop me from loosing, tossing,it (?). >> >> So my question is there anyone out there that can help me acquire one >> of >> these, and I am willing to pay for it. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Bob T >> >> '64 Spit GT autocrosser >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From kaskas at cox.net Wed May 16 08:25:45 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 14:25:45 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Address help Message-ID: Can anyone please give me an E-mail address for Randy Williams who just won the Kastner Cup at Atlanta? Never be beaten by equipment From triosan at gmail.com Wed May 16 11:19:18 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:19:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Address help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kas, did a Google Search on Randy Williams TR3 and found this address: *Randy Williams" wrote: > Can anyone please give me an E-mail address for Randy Williams who just won > the Kastner Cup at Atlanta? > > Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From triosan at gmail.com Wed May 16 11:26:29 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:26:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pictures at the mitty Message-ID: Here is a link to photos of Randy at the 2012 Mitty: https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5743182556604024881 -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From BillDentin at aol.com Wed May 16 14:05:05 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... Message-ID: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger From kaskas at cox.net Wed May 16 15:04:03 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 21:04:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Addresses Message-ID: thanks to all who forwarded Randy's address to me. Never be beaten by equipment From gp89 at charter.net Wed May 16 15:22:37 2012 From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 17:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube (Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 37) Message-ID: <4c4977d6.14e7a0.1375787f67e.Webtop.48@charter.net> I lost one during a race along with a significant amount of oil. Tapped the hole after that and put in a pipe plug. Jeff Senty On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Joe Guinan wrote: > Bob, > > I probably have one in a spare 1500 block. Any idea of the correct > length? > Were there more than one lengths available? I'll check what I have > and let > you know - will have to be tomorrow though. If I have what you need, > it's > yours for the postage. Will just need an address. > > Joe Guinan > Fremont, NE > ---------------------------Original > Message------------------------------------------ > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 18:53:40 -0400 (EDT) > From: robertten1 at aol.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Lost Tube > > Amici Triumphi ! > > While working on building and installing the engine in my Spit, I > realized I > might if tossed the distance tube for the dipstick. This is the part > that > presses into the block on later Spit engines, mine being an early > 1500. > There > is a part number for it ( 121831 ) and it is also used on the TR7 > engines. > I > guess painting it yellow didn't stop me from loosing, tossing,it (?). > > So my question is there anyone out there that can help me acquire one > of > these, and I am willing to pay for it. > > Thanks in advance, > Bob T > > '64 Spit GT autocrosser > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gp89 at charter.net From SStarkweather at vbisd.org Wed May 16 17:06:12 2012 From: SStarkweather at vbisd.org (Scott Starkweather) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 19:06:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire References: <4FB3FAA3020000B60005D1CB@mail.vbisd.org> <4FB3FAA4020000B60005D1CE@mail.vbisd.org> Message-ID: <4FB3FAA4020000B60005D1CE@mail.vbisd.org> I'm a new member to this group, Thanks to Scott Barr, his dad Jerry and friend (who's name I can't remember- sorry) that I met a couple of weeks ago at Gingerman in South Haven Mi. at the Vintage races. I'm impressed at the knowledge of the members and their willingness to share and help each other out. I'm looking forward to learning as much as I can as I and a couple friends work on building our recently purchased spitfire. It's a 1975 w/ the 1500. I'm looking for any advice I can get in prepping the chassis and drivetrain for race. Scott Starkweather 1962 TR3b. 1975 Spitfire St. Joseph Mi. From sjanzen at me.com Wed May 16 17:16:06 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 19:16:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> 12.5 mpg - I wish. I have a 2010 Ford Expedition, great ride, nice vehicle, don't have to slow down on grades, but I'm lucky to get 9 mpg, usually 8-8.5, towing a 20' v-nose Worthington aluminum box trailer with my GT6. towing weight is probably about 5,500 lb. On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From clw2000 at msn.com Wed May 16 17:23:36 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 19:23:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: Funny, because I drove an empty Range Rover on a flat interstate and got about the same mpg! Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2012, at 6:49 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed May 16 17:33:10 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 18:33:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: Finally, a new interesting topic. do you have bronze guides in that baby... no don't go there. Yeah Bill I would say 12.5 is pretty good for that rig and tow. My Sprinter did great on gas on the way down there. However, not necessarily regrettable, I had my friend tow the race car down there with his big trailer (our home for the weekend with full electric, deluxe canopy set up, and other cool racer niceness). I felt rather good all weekend and was able to focus on learning the track and racing with all those killer fast Triumphs. Anyway, in comparison the big rig with trailer got only 8 or 9 mpg running unleaded. The Sprinter can go much longer on fuel and I spent (in dollars) about 25% of the money it cost me to fuel the V10 Magnum. I figure the Dodge Sprinter 5 Cly turbo Diesel got in the high 20's 27-29 MPG. Good on that but the TWO vehicle bill for Mitty journey was not kind to the FGR pocket book. But, Worth every penny! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM, wrote: I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed May 16 17:40:46 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 19:40:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <2CAEF254-4527-47CE-A749-3DA4D23BDF3F@gdhs.com> That's great mileage, but one must also consider say 3 nites at motels, 3 days of food & say .50 per mile in deprecation + having to pack and unload the car and all that stuff, wear & tear on the old body to boot; so, I don't want to sound out of hand, but John's Freightliner with all of the above included @ $1.50 per mile ain't all that bad either. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From gasket.works at gte.net Wed May 16 18:55:28 2012 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 00:55:28 +0000 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <1362937683-1337216131-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1835350276-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry> Volvo truck combined weight with trailer and two stacked tr4's. Is 43k lbs. Zero grade @ 55 is 15.5+mpg @1100rpm. . Avg however is 9.8mpg. @ 60 Mph @ 1200 rpm all grades. 150 gal fuel. About 6 gal/hwy hour. Motor is dual overhead cam cummins 6 cyl isx 15 liter 430 HP detuned from max 600 HP. about 1500 ft lbs torque w/ max about 2000ft lbs. Will do better than 55mph on southbound California grapevine grade @ 1.8mpg @ 35lbs boost. Will pin the spedo going up the baker grade to Vegas (85+). Engine weighs 3100lbs. Uses 56 quarts of oil. Bought this motor not so much for the get up and go power but the ability of the Jake brakes to slow the truck and trailer. It used to be a very very scary ride down the Calif. Grapevine before this. The best part is that NO trailer brakes needed even with trailer fully loaded @ 13k lbs. I used to have do the trailer brakes nearly twice a year. Now, have not needed trailer brakes in past 7 years. Parts available everywhere. Only cost twice as much as my wife's GMC 4500 top kick. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin at aol.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:05:05 To: Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed May 16 19:20:10 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 21:20:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: Not exactly apples to apples. On the tow to from the Mitty with my F-150 4X4 with a 5.4L gas engine, loaded to the hilt plus the 16 foot aluminum open trailer with the Spitfire on it we got 15.5 mpg. Didn't break a sweat on the hills. Marty > From: BillDentin at aol.com > Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:05:05 -0400 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From mlcooknj at msn.com Wed May 16 19:42:33 2012 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 21:42:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: Trouble on hills, eh? And what does the driver weigh? Mike Cook> From: BillDentin at aol.com > Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 16:05:05 -0400 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From chasgee at aol.com Wed May 16 20:49:17 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 22:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF01EEC921A881-12A0-9F9A@webmail-m026.sysops.aol.com> Finally, a new interesting topic. o you have bronze guides in that baby... no don't go there. Now that's funny, right there! Good for you Jason. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: BillDentin Cc: fot Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 7:28 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... Finally, a new interesting topic. o you have bronze guides in that baby... no don't go there. Yeah Bill I would say 12.5 is pretty good for that rig and tow. My Sprinter did great on gas on the way down there. owever, not necessarily regrettable, I had my friend tow the race car down here with his big trailer (our home for the weekend with full lectric, deluxe canopy set up, and other cool racer niceness). I felt ather good all weekend and was able to focus on learning the track and acing with all those killer fast Triumphs. nyway, in comparison the big rig with trailer got only 8 or 9 mpg running nleaded. he Sprinter can go much longer on fuel and I spent (in dollars) about 25% f the money it cost me to fuel the V10 Magnum. figure the Dodge Sprinter 5 Cly turbo Diesel got in the high 20's 27-29 PG. ood on that but the TWO vehicle bill for Mitty journey was not kind to the GR pocket book. ut, orth every penny! Jason Ostrowski riendly Ghost Racing n Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM, wrote: I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY rip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty ood. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger ______________________________________________ ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From sjanzen at me.com Wed May 16 20:53:59 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 22:53:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> Message-ID: <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> No trailer, but fairly loaded, the same vehicle gets 16 mpg at 75. Wind resistance of the box trailer is the killer. Open trailer doesn't have anywhere near the impact. On May 16, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: 12.5 mpg - I wish. I have a 2010 Ford Expedition, great ride, nice vehicle, don't have to slow down on grades, but I'm lucky to get 9 mpg, usually 8-8.5, towing a 20' v-nose Worthington aluminum box trailer with my GT6. towing weight is probably about 5,500 lb. On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From sgroh1 at comcast.net Wed May 16 20:56:26 2012 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 22:56:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> Message-ID: <43C4A135-E3F3-4164-A6FC-B4FC3EE3104B@comcast.net> 9.5 with a 7,000 pound V10 Excursion towing a 22 foot trailer with gear equalling 6,500 pounds Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > 12.5 mpg - I wish. I have a 2010 Ford Expedition, great ride, nice vehicle, don't have to slow down on grades, but I'm lucky to get 9 mpg, usually 8-8.5, towing a 20' v-nose Worthington aluminum box trailer with my GT6. towing weight is probably about 5,500 lb. > > On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1 at comcast.net From cwnfot at gmail.com Wed May 16 21:03:03 2012 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 23:03:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] eBay: Mystery Triumph GT6 or Spitfire Racing Gearbox Message-ID: <006701cd33d9$9469bd90$bd3d38b0$@com> NFI Interesting puzzle gearbox for Spitfire. Is it a close-ratio GT6 converted to Spitfire? http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150806989467 Item = 150806989467 Thinking back, I did get a tranny with OD from a clapped out Vitesse back in the 70s that bolted right in to my 1968 Mk3 Spitfire. Hmmmm. If I remember correctly. Or did I take the gearbox apart and build the OD into a Spitfire gear set? I think it was a 1500/1600cc 6 in that car. But this tranny has a KC number. http://club.triumph.org.uk/prefix1.htm#Vitesse Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed May 16 22:02:41 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 04:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <350743436.448177.1337227361838.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> bronze guides? That's really funny, Jason. Thanks for that one. The Sprinter sure sounds like a great tow vehicle. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Ostrowski" To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:33:10 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... Finally, a new interesting topic. do you have bronze guides in that baby... no don't go there. Yeah Bill I would say 12.5 is pretty good for that rig and tow. My Sprinter did great on gas on the way down there. However, not necessarily regrettable, I had my friend tow the race car down there with his big trailer (our home for the weekend with full electric, deluxe canopy set up, and other cool racer niceness). I felt rather good all weekend and was able to focus on learning the track and racing with all those killer fast Triumphs. Anyway, in comparison the big rig with trailer got only 8 or 9 mpg running unleaded. The Sprinter can go much longer on fuel and I spent (in dollars) about 25% of the money it cost me to fuel the V10 Magnum. I figure the Dodge Sprinter 5 Cly turbo Diesel got in the high 20's 27-29 MPG. Good on that but the TWO vehicle bill for Mitty journey was not kind to the FGR pocket book. But, Worth every penny! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM, wrote: I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From LimeyV8 at aol.com Wed May 16 22:37:40 2012 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (Jack Mc) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 00:37:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <2BA909C0-5803-4DB8-86D5-4174599A3A7F@aol.com> I get about 12mpg with my 2002 Chevy Avalanche loaded to the gills and towing a TR6 or TR8 on an open trailer I'd like my next tow vehicle to be a Dodge with the Cummins diesel engine - i hear great mileage stories from current owners of those Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu May 17 00:58:03 2012 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 23:58:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com><21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on wind direction and the grade. It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever the posted speed limit is. Joe C. From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Thu May 17 00:59:25 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 23:59:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3DF1@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Mordy's "toterhome" is the real deal, just like the big-boy fat-cat teams. Ours is somewhat more pedestrian. 36' Winnebago Journey diesel pusher coach, towing a custom 24' stacker trailer. Total weight around 36,000#. Caterpillar 330hp (7.2 liter) six, Allison six speed. I never precisely calculate mileage, because I really don't care, but I do fill it up when it gets low. I guesstimate it's getting about 10 mpg on the flats towing our small 16' enclosed trailer. About 8.5 towing the stacker loaded with Spitfire, GT6 & my wife's Formula V car, plus scooter, tools, tires, fuel, etc... Out west here, we've got to climb some pretty big hills just to get out of town, as Mordy alluded to. Going up Grapevine northbound (I-5), I get down to about 50 minimum. Grapevine south, it slows to about 38 for the initial segment. My coach only puts out 900 lb ft, versus Mordy's 1500, and thus he can blow by up any hill I'm crawling up. Towing is all about TORQUE, and Mordy's rig is king. On the other hand, my CAT only needs 21 quarts for an oil change! Alternately, my wife frequently tows her Formula V with her Cadillac SRX. Gets a lot of looks, and about 15 mpg on the freeway. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu May 17 06:39:30 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 07:39:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <1B41D235-2C3D-46CA-9B12-ABE2167EEB95@austin.rr.com> I towed two TR4's in a 28 foot enclosed trailer (10,000 lbs) behind my GMC 2500 HD 6.0 gas truck. The mileage was something like 8.5 mpg. I feel a little better about that now, especially because Bob Blake paid the gas on the way back. It's like I got 17 mpg. Not a bad deal. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2012, at 3:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Thu May 17 06:40:32 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 08:40:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... Message-ID: Amici, Once again, I'll make the offer to anyone desiring a new tow vehicle, as a Ford guy, I can get you X plan on any new Ford or Lincoln. One of the members of this list bought a Mustang on X plan and saved enough to buy a GT instead of a V6. I haven't towed with my F150 yet, but I got 20.4 on the 2700 mile round trip to Sebring. I saw 22.7 on one leg. Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu May 17 07:06:22 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 09:06:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was using my "new" mini motorhome for the first time going to this event. For years I've been towing my open 3500LB trailer with a 1985 35 foot Class A (16,000 Lbs) motorhome with a 454 (gas) engine. No matter where I went with it, if I kept it under 70, I'd get 5.5 -6 MPG. After doing some rough guesses on the amount of gas to get to the Mitty and back to NY, I started looking for a smaller rig. I eventually found a 96 Chevy 1 ton van based Class B motorhome. It has a fuel injected 350 gas engine, 29K miles and everything inside with the exception of a shower that the old behemoth had, just on a smaller scale (17' vs 35'). Since it was the first trip in it, I was checking milage just about every stop on the way down (Up and down hill almost all the way there). I got a worst of 8 MPG in PA and a best of almost 13 when we got closer to GA. Over all on the trip it came out to just under 10 MPG, so I "saved" almost $600 with the new rig. My 1st run in the thing, a 2 hour trip home, when I bought it last month, nothing in tow, at 65-70 MPH, averaged ~20 MPG so I think it's a keeper. I'll lay off the twinkies (does Light beer weigh less too?) and see what stuff I don't really need in the trailer , and maybe get it up to 12 MPG for my local events (with fewer hills) at Limerock, Watkins Glen, NJMP and Pocono. 63 Spitfire #7 G. Michael Harmuth From horizonracing at msn.com Thu May 17 08:22:50 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 07:22:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <2BA909C0-5803-4DB8-86D5-4174599A3A7F@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com>, <2BA909C0-5803-4DB8-86D5-4174599A3A7F@aol.com> Message-ID: Our trip to the Mitty From Seattle (2777miles each way) in our "new" 2001 Frieghtliner semi. Gross weight of 57K for this trip. With a head wind at 70mph was 5.2 and with a tail wind was 7.0 ! The best part is you only need to change down from 10th to 9th for 98% of the hills at 45-55 mph. Comparied to the F650 we had (POS) that thing could only do 25-35mph over the hills. YES, I run Bronze guides..LOL Tony G. > From: LimeyV8 at aol.com > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 00:37:40 -0400 > To: BillDentin at aol.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > I get about 12mpg with my 2002 Chevy Avalanche loaded to the gills and towing > a TR6 or TR8 on an open trailer > > I'd like my next tow vehicle to be a Dodge with the Cummins diesel engine - i > hear great mileage stories from current owners of those > > Cheers, > Jack Mc > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > > Amici... > > > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's > the > > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the > other. > > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's > chairs > > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of > those grades > > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > > good. What do others experience? > > > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu May 17 08:37:58 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 10:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi, My rig is a '99 Chevy Express one-ton cargo van. The motor is a 5.7 liter chevy V8 with the HD tranny (700R6, I think). My normal trailer is a 20 foot enclosed Pace American rallye. With the car and "stuff", the gross trailer weight is in the 6500 pound range. I get between 9 and 10 MPG with the enclosed trailer. With an open trailer, I get more like 13. I only have one data point for that setup, but it was a 3500 mile round trip tow, so it should be valid. With the enclosed trailer, if I get a run on the big hills, I can stay above 50 MPH easily. Once in a while I get boxed in on a hill approach and then I might drop to below 50 before the hill crests, but that's only because when the tranny steps down to the lower gear, I get out of the gas so I don't try to pull a long distance in the lower gear. This truck has about 140K miles on it, so it's not a spring chicken. The 5.7 liter Chevy motor that was in the Express Vans from the mid-90's to the early 2000 range were rated at 225 HP and I believe that number. My older truck ('84 G10) had similar miles on it, but the motor was rated at 150-ish HP. The difference is amazing. That thing downshifted pulling out of my driveway. It was HORRIBLE. OTOH, it was close to a junkyard truck when I bought it and I put a lot of miles on it over the 5 or 6 years I had it... so, it was "tired", to say the least. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bownes at seiri.com Thu May 17 08:51:05 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 10:51:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a 1500 to see how well it holds up. I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck > open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and > tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on > wind direction and the grade. > > It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to > Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever the > posted speed limit is. > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From bkahler1 at gmail.com Thu May 17 09:47:05 2012 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 11:47:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Transmission input shaft turning and spline cutting Message-ID: Amici, I need to have a couple of TR7 4-speed transmission input shafts shortened and new splines cut. If you know of a good machinist that can do this I would like contact information if possible. Thanks! Brad From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu May 17 10:12:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 12:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF025F0C840659-23FC-1310E@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> 1999 Class B Ford motorhome chassis TRITON V8 Open Trailer with Ambro = 3500# 13 mpg @ 60 mph Motor Home offsets a lot of the motel costs on any given trip, but maintenance, depreciation, etc still makes it a lifestyle choice. Sure is nice having at the track, though. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: George Harmuth To: fot Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 10:49 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing I was using my "new" mini motorhome for the first time going to this event. For years I've been towing my open 3500LB trailer with a 1985 35 foot Class A (16,000 Lbs) motorhome with a 454 (gas) engine. No matter where I went with it, if I kept it under 70, I'd get 5.5 -6 MPG. After doing some rough guesses on the amount of gas to get to the Mitty and back to NY, I started looking for a smaller rig. I eventually found a 96 Chevy 1 ton van based Class B motorhome. It has a fuel injected 350 gas engine, 29K miles and everything inside with the exception of a shower that the old behemoth had, just on a smaller scale (17' vs 35'). Since it was the first trip in it, I was checking milage just about every stop on the way down (Up and down hill almost all the way there). I got a worst of 8 MPG in PA and a best of almost 13 when we got closer to GA. Over all on the trip it came out to just under 10 MPG, so I "saved" almost $600 with the new rig. My 1st run in the thing, a 2 hour trip home, when I bought it last month, nothing in tow, at 65-70 MPH, averaged ~20 MPG so I think it's a keeper. I'll lay off the twinkies (does Light beer weigh less too?) and see what stuff I don't really need in the trailer , and maybe get it up to 12 MPG for my local events (with fewer hills) at Limerock, Watkins Glen, NJMP and Pocono. 63 Spitfire #7 G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu May 17 12:16:39 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 14:16:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com>, <2BA909C0-5803-4DB8-86D5-4174599A3A7F@aol.com> Message-ID: <398535745C644952851C4E0B31DF40CE@gdhs.local> Long Live Freightliners, another great product of the Charlotte area....(especially ones with bronze guides) John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony and Annie Garmey Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 10:23 AM To: limeyv8 at aol.com; billdentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... Our trip to the Mitty From Seattle (2777miles each way) in our "new" 2001 Frieghtliner semi. Gross weight of 57K for this trip. With a head wind at 70mph was 5.2 and with a tail wind was 7.0 ! The best part is you only need to change down from 10th to 9th for 98% of the hills at 45-55 mph. Comparied to the F650 we had (POS) that thing could only do 25-35mph over the hills. YES, I run Bronze guides..LOL Tony G. > From: LimeyV8 at aol.com > Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 00:37:40 -0400 > To: BillDentin at aol.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > I get about 12mpg with my 2002 Chevy Avalanche loaded to the gills and towing > a TR6 or TR8 on an open trailer > > I'd like my next tow vehicle to be a Dodge with the Cummins diesel > engine - i > hear great mileage stories from current owners of those > > Cheers, > Jack Mc > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 16, 2012, at 4:05 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > > Amici... > > > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow > > with a > > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle > > (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's > the > > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I > > highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and > > shelves on the > other. > > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds > > of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two > > captain's > chairs > > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on > > some of > those grades > > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded > > with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer > > tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile > > MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought > > that was pretty > > good. What do others experience? > > > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Thu May 17 13:18:43 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 14:18:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <1B41D235-2C3D-46CA-9B12-ABE2167EEB95@austin.rr.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <1B41D235-2C3D-46CA-9B12-ABE2167EEB95@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: My Tundra gets around 11 mpg when hauling our 7x14 enclosed trailer and perhaps 15 or 16 when towing the aluminum single-axle flatbed with the Morgan on it (I'll check again this weekend). The Vixen 21td motorhome, which usually got 23-25 mpg with its BMW turbodiesel engine, dropped to around 18 mpg pulling the aluminum trailer and race car but it was very tiring having to monitor the EGT gauge so closely to keep from burning up the engine due to the extra load, so I won't be trying that again. Sprinters have been on my radar for some time now and I may end up with one, particularly if I find one that has a simple weekender camping package. Duncan From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu May 17 16:07:45 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 17:07:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of > the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the > 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > 1500 to see how well it holds up. > > I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >> wind direction and the grade. >> >> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever the >> posted speed limit is. >> >> Joe C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Thu May 17 16:36:29 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 23:36:29 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing In-Reply-To: <8CF025F0C840659-23FC-1310E@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF025F0C840659-23FC-1310E@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Jeez You guys and juice ! When im trailering 'Beastie' im getting 40 mpg average with my diesel BMW 530 msport estate and my lightweight streamlined covered Trailer at 70 mph .... I can't afford to truck at your prices ! Beastie does 10 mpg so I'd rather drive and sleep in the hedges with the wildlife ! Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 17 May 2012, at 17:12, Joe Alexander wrote: > 1999 Class B Ford motorhome chassis TRITON V8 > > Open Trailer with Ambro = 3500# > > 13 mpg @ 60 mph > > Motor Home offsets a lot of the motel costs on any given trip, but > maintenance, depreciation, etc still makes it a lifestyle choice. Sure is nice > having at the track, though. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: George Harmuth > To: fot > Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 10:49 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing > > > I was using my "new" mini motorhome for the first time going to this event. > For years I've been towing my open 3500LB trailer with a 1985 35 foot Class > A (16,000 Lbs) motorhome with a 454 (gas) engine. No matter where I went > with it, if I kept it under 70, I'd get 5.5 -6 MPG. After doing some rough > guesses on the amount of gas to get to the Mitty and back to NY, I started > looking for a smaller rig. > > I eventually found a 96 Chevy 1 ton van based Class B motorhome. It has a > fuel injected 350 gas engine, 29K miles and everything inside with the > exception of a shower that the old behemoth had, just on a smaller scale > (17' vs 35'). Since it was the first trip in it, I was checking milage just > about every stop on the way down (Up and down hill almost all the way > there). I got a worst of 8 MPG in PA and a best of almost 13 when we got > closer to GA. Over all on the trip it came out to just under 10 MPG, so I > "saved" almost $600 with the new rig. My 1st run in the thing, a 2 hour > trip home, when I bought it last month, nothing in tow, at 65-70 MPH, > averaged ~20 MPG so I think it's a keeper. I'll lay off the twinkies (does > Light beer weigh less too?) and see what stuff I don't really need in the > trailer , and maybe get it up to 12 MPG for my local events (with fewer > hills) at Limerock, Watkins Glen, NJMP and Pocono. > > 63 Spitfire #7 > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From rjl at gt-classics.com Thu May 17 20:17:01 2012 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 22:17:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: <4FB5B11D.7020006@gt-classics.com> My 2005 Dodge Ram (5.7 Hemi) gets about 10 - 11 mpg pulling the 20 foot Horton hauler enclosed trailer with workbench, lots of tools, and a Formula Ford plus camping gear. It has no problem maintaining speed up any of the hills around here, but maybe that's because I hid my light bar behind the grill - trying to be slightly subtle about it. :-) John On 5/17/2012 10:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of > the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the > 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > 1500 to see how well it holds up. > > I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > > >> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >> wind direction and the grade. >> >> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever the >> posted speed limit is. >> >> Joe C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com > > > > > -- Thanks, R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Thu May 17 20:59:51 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 20:59:51 -0600 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and all hills. Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze guides. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount > of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >> >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >> >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >>> wind direction and the grade. >>> >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > the >>> posted speed limit is. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From jsnook at wcnet.org Fri May 18 06:47:38 2012 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 08:47:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Water Temp Gauge F-U Message-ID: <007901cd34f4$687dec80$3979c580$@org> Thanks for all the leads to help with my broken water temp gauge. Sounds like there are a number of sources to rebuild them. I have a lead on a working used one, and if not, we've contacted MoMa who will rebuild ours and can turn it around in a day or so. Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 (Mobile) From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri May 18 07:21:12 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 09:21:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com><21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com><6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: 10-4 on the bar! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:00 PM To: Bob Kramer Cc: robert bownes; 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and all hills. Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze guides. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount > of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old > 1500 with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much >> regardless of >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It >> slows down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, >> both with the >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at >> them cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension >> under a 1500 to see how well it holds up. >> >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs >> at least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >> >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double >>> deck open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of >>> gear and tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, >>> depending entirely on wind direction and the grade. >>> >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain >>> to Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at >>> whatever > the >>> posted speed limit is. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From cofrog at q.com Fri May 18 08:11:26 2012 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1204628380.2097610.1337350286619.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Ty, Great about the bar. I can drink your booze out of bronze guides? ----- Original Message ----- From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com To: "Bob Kramer" Cc: "robert bownes" , "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:59:51 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and all hills. Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze guides. Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount > of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >> >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >> >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >>> wind direction and the grade. >>> >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > the >>> posted speed limit is. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From starr001 at umn.edu Fri May 18 08:25:00 2012 From: starr001 at umn.edu (Patrick Starr) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 09:25:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Towing MPG Message-ID: <97A5CEFE-523D-4433-A4B0-9315BDC0E049@umn.edu> >From the light weight end of tow vehicle spectrum, we use a 2004 Toyota Sienna Van towing the 1958 Morgan +4 on a single axle trailer, and averaged 19 mpg from Minneapolis to Road Atlanta and back. The Morgan and trailer weigh about 2900 lb., and speed goes down up the steep hills. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri May 18 08:25:08 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 07:25:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 42 - towing In-Reply-To: <8CF025F0C840659-23FC-1310E@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF025F0C840659-23FC-1310E@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4FB65BC4.4070900@comcast.net> 2004 Winnebago Class A motorhome with the 8.1 liter Chevy gas engine. Trailer is a 20 ft. enclosed Pace for the Spitfire. Combined weight is around 21k lbs. I drive around 60 on the freeways. Average 9.3 when not towing, 8.3 when flat towing my Subaru Forester and 7.3 when towing the Pace. Except in North Dakota where you are fighting a head wind no matter which way you're going and then the mileage hovers between 5-6. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri May 18 10:26:08 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:26:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed In-Reply-To: <1660579348.10639.1337357753132.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <320386104.11096.1337358368466.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Does anyone know a source in the US for Superlite brand of wheels. ( just like the panasports ). I sent an inquiry to the manufacturer in the UK with no response and Viki-Brit shows a wheel that looks exactly like the superlite but they couldn't tell me who manufactures them. Thanks for any feedback, jim g. From kaskas at cox.net Fri May 18 11:23:13 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:23:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <1204628380.2097610.1337350286619.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: , <1204628380.2097610.1337350286619.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: I found that if I draft upbehind one of these car trailers at speed I can empty the trash and have it sucked right into their air vent while getting my 26.7 MPG. Enough? Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:11:26 -0400 > From: cofrog at q.com > To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > CC: bownes at seiri.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Ty, > > Great about the bar. I can drink your booze out of bronze guides? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > To: "Bob Kramer" > Cc: "robert bownes" , "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:59:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and all > hills. Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze guides. > > Ty > > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > > On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair > amount > > of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > > with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > > > >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless > of > >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with > the > >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. > >> > >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> > >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck > >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and > >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on > >>> wind direction and the grade. > >>> > >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to > >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > > the > >>> posted speed limit is. > >>> > >>> Joe C. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From chasgee at aol.com Fri May 18 15:18:28 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com><21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com><6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD with the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and all my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its own. I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer To: robert bownes Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a 1500 to see how well it holds up. I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck > open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and > tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on > wind direction and the grade. > > It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to > Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever he > posted speed limit is. > > Joe C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri May 18 15:39:40 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 21:39:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2006030401.22990.1337377180229.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> They do look very much the same but I have six of the superlites with charcoal colored centers. VTO doesn't offer the color. I'm trying to put together two full sets r ain & dry's with spares. If I have to I could get the VTO's powdercoated to match. I'm still hoping to find some NOS superlites. jg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 3:03:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed www.vtoperformance.com they used to be superlite and now they are VTO performance. No idea why. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 18 May 2012 toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Does anyone know a source in the US for Superlite brand of wheels. ( just like the panasports ). > > I sent an inquiry to the manufacturer in the UK with no response and Viki-Brit shows a wheel > > that looks exactly like the superlite but they couldn't tell me who manufactures them. > > > > Thanks for any feedback, > > jim g. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang at isis.mit.edu From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri May 18 15:45:28 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 21:45:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1001325525.23172.1337377528654.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> It's funny you say that Kas, I drafted a semi in a head wind for 60 miles on the way back from Hastings last fall andB I could reduce throttle B enough to get me out of the secondaries. My little Winnie has the aero coeffi ciant of a cinder block. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: cofrog at q.com, tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Cc: bownes at seiri.com, "fot" Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:23:13 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... I found that if I draft upbehind one of these car trailers at speed I can empty the trash and have it sucked right into their air vent while getting my 26.7 MPG. Enough? Never be beaten by equipment B > Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:11:26 -0400 > From: cofrog at q.com > To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > CC: bownes at seiri.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Ty, > > Great about the bar. B I can drink your booze out of bronze guides? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > To: "Bob Kramer" > Cc: "robert bownes" , "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:59:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. B 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and all > hills. B Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze guides. > > Ty > > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > > On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > > > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair > amount > > of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > > with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > > > >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless > of > >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with > the > >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. > >> > >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> > >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck > >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and > >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on > >>> wind direction and the grade. > >>> > >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to > >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > > the > >>> posted speed limit is. > >>> > >>> Joe C. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri May 18 15:59:03 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:59:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <1204628380.2097610.1337350286619.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <04199901-B018-4688-A202-979389A28CBD@gdhs.com> Well, if we really raced our cars like a good number of those in the 50's did, we would drive the car to the track & home after the race and all would get mileage in the 20's......... Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2012, at 1:23 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > I found that if I draft upbehind one of these car trailers at speed I can > empty the trash and have it sucked right into their air vent while getting my > 26.7 MPG. Enough? > > Never be beaten by equipment >> Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:11:26 -0400 >> From: cofrog at q.com >> To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com >> CC: bownes at seiri.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... >> >> Ty, >> >> Great about the bar. I can drink your booze out of bronze guides? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com >> To: "Bob Kramer" >> Cc: "robert bownes" , "'Friends of Triumph' Triumph" > >> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:59:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... >> >> 1984 El Dorado 32' Motorhome. 7 - 8 MPG with a tail wind. Hates any and > all >> hills. Most importantly, has a fully stocked bar and possibly bronze > guides. >> >> Ty >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> (Please excuse any errors or typos) >> >> On May 17, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: >> >>> My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair >> amount >>> of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old > 1500 >>> with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: >>> >>>> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >>>> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless >> of >>>> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >>>> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with >> the >>>> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at > them >>>> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >>>> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >>>> >>>> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >>>> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >>>> >>>>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double > deck >>>>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear > and >>>>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely > on >>>>> wind direction and the grade. >>>>> >>>>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>>>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever >>> the >>>>> posted speed limit is. >>>>> >>>>> Joe C. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri May 18 17:38:28 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:38:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed In-Reply-To: <320386104.11096.1337358368466.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <320386104.11096.1337358368466.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Jim - The US distributor is in Arizona somewhere. They are selling on Ebay often. On May 18, 2012, at 11:26 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Does anyone know a source in the US for Superlite brand of wheels. ( just like the panasports ). > > I sent an inquiry to the manufacturer in the UK with no response and Viki-Brit shows a wheel > > that looks exactly like the superlite but they couldn't tell me who manufactures them. > > > > Thanks for any feedback, > > jim g. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri May 18 17:43:02 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:43:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Do you tow in overdrive? I get 9mpg with my 97 Tahoe pulling an enclosed trailer - in third gear. D On May 18, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: > Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD with > the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. > > I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and all > my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its own. > > I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer > To: robert bownes > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount > f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > Sent from my iPhone > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: >> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of > the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the > 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > 1500 to see how well it holds up. > > I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >> wind direction and the grade. >> >> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > he >> posted speed limit is. >> >> Joe C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From chasgee at aol.com Fri May 18 17:44:23 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:44:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <61F8E2EF-9EB6-4109-9283-0CC6A334C32F@aol.com> Yes. On May 18, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Dennis Delap wrote: > Do you tow in overdrive? > I get 9mpg with my 97 Tahoe pulling an enclosed trailer - in third gear. > D > > On May 18, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: > >> Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD with >> the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. >> >> I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and all >> my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its own. >> >> I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob Kramer >> To: robert bownes >> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >> Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... >> >> >> My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount >> f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 >> ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. >> Sent from my iPhone >> On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: >>> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >> >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >> >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >>> wind direction and the grade. >>> >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever >> he >>> posted speed limit is. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> ______________________________________________ >> ot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >> nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri May 18 17:53:11 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:53:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <61F8E2EF-9EB6-4109-9283-0CC6A334C32F@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> <61F8E2EF-9EB6-4109-9283-0CC6A334C32F@aol.com> Message-ID: Oh - and by the way - I use steel valve guides. On May 18, 2012, at 6:44 PM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > Yes. > > On May 18, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Dennis Delap wrote: > >> Do you tow in overdrive? >> I get 9mpg with my 97 Tahoe pulling an enclosed trailer - in third gear. >> D >> >> On May 18, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: >> >>> Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD with >>> the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. >>> >>> I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and all >>> my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its own. >>> >>> I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Bob Kramer >>> To: robert bownes >>> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >>> Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... >>> >>> >>> My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount >>> f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 >>> ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: >>>> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >>> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of >>> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >>> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the >>> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them >>> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >>> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >>> >>> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >>> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >>> >>>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >>>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >>>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >>>> wind direction and the grade. >>>> >>>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever >>> he >>>> posted speed limit is. >>>> >>>> Joe C. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >>> ______________________________________________ >>> ot at autox.team.net >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Fri May 18 18:25:48 2012 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed In-Reply-To: <320386104.11096.1337358368466.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1337387148.92869.YahooMailClassic@web111413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, Try . Or Phone 866-855-3473 at 6500 E. 6th St., Prescott, AZ 86314. NFI Ken Suhre --- On Fri, 5/18/12, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Subject: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed To: "fot" Date: Friday, May 18, 2012, 11:26 AM Does anyone know a source in the US for Superlite brand of wheels. ( just like the panasports ). I sent an inquiry to the manufacturer in the UK with no response and Viki-Brit shows a wheel that looks exactly like the superlite but they couldn't tell me who manufactures them. Thanks for any feedback, jim g. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com From kaskas at cox.net Fri May 18 19:33:03 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 01:33:03 +0000 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com><21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com><6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com>, , <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: As my friend in Texas tells me "them there cast iron valve guides will get it done.". No dogs or fish or beer required. Never be beaten by equipment > To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com; bownes at seiri.com > From: chasgee at aol.com > Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 17:18:28 -0400 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD with > the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. > > I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and all > my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its own. > > I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer > To: robert bownes > Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... > > > My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount > f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 > ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. > Sent from my iPhone > On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > > My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of > the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows > down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the > 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them > cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a > 1500 to see how well it holds up. > > I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at > least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > > > 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck > > open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and > > tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on > > wind direction and the grade. > > > > It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to > > Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever > he > > posted speed limit is. > > > > Joe C. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ______________________________________________ > ot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > rchive: http://www.team.net/archive > orums: http://www.team.net/forums > nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From mark at bradakis.com Fri May 18 21:21:25 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 21:21:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spit Spring tool, forums back! Message-ID: <4FB711B5.7070209@bradakis.com> Spent some time working on the forums. Basic functionality is back. You can look at them, log in and post. Not yet sure if new registrations work, I'll test that soon. The incentive for getting this done was pretty selfish. I wanted to tell folks about an incident yesterday at work: http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=129 One minor nit is that for some reason this post doesn't show up when you click on 'View active topics' but it does show up when you click on 'View new posts' Oh well, I'm sure other problems will crop up as folks make use of it. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri May 18 21:45:11 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 03:45:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... Message-ID: No conversion at the track but I needed 10.3L/100km to Zandvoort race track with a BMW X3 2.5i. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri May 18 22:01:20 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 23:01:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed In-Reply-To: <2006030401.22990.1337377180229.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2006030401.22990.1337377180229.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <622804F1-28A2-4327-B9BC-E0FAF4240178@austin.rr.com> I too bought 6 charcoal Superlites wheels from the former Pack Racing Wheels, and when I went back for 2 more it was then VTOL. I was able to special order two charcoal wheels from them. Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2012, at 4:39 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > They do look very much the same but I have six of the superlites with > > charcoal colored centers. VTO doesn't offer the color. > > I'm trying to put together two full sets r ain & dry's with spares. > > If I have to I could get the VTO's powdercoated to match. > > I'm still hoping to find some NOS superlites. > > jg > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 3:03:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Superlite brand wheels needed > > > > www.vtoperformance.com > > > they used to be superlite and now they are VTO performance. > > No idea why. > > rml > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for > rent > Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | > Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: > 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Fri, 18 May 2012 toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > >> Does anyone know a source in the US for Superlite brand of wheels. ( just > like the panasports ). >> >> I sent an inquiry to the manufacturer in the UK with no response and > Viki-Brit shows a wheel >> >> that looks exactly like the superlite but they couldn't tell me who > manufactures them. >> >> >> >> Thanks for any feedback, >> >> jim g. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang at isis.mit.edu > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat May 19 08:31:59 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 10:31:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Thanks Message-ID: <01ab01cd35cc$26e56220$74b02660$@net> Joe, Yesterday afternoon at work, I blocked-out time for the dreariest of architectural tasks; writing Specifications. In my trade: no drawing = no fun. The day was resigned to professional atonement; a sort of business purgatory. But I made one mistake. I checked the mail first. In it was your package of rocker shaft do-dads.. and Kas's TRIUMPHS! I presume I don't need to tell you where the afternoon went from there. TRIUMPHS, I couldn't put down. What an incredible combination of high technology, auto lore, personalities and good ole-fashioned sound advice. Being terminally right brained, all the great photographs kept my nose right in it. And, of course, Kas's writing style makes you wonder why his mantra isn't "Never beaten by Elocution." The Mitty was terrific! You are living proof of how much extra work it takes to run an unstructured organization. Thanks from all us FOTers for all the (mostly invisible) work you do for our un-club. Clumsily paraphrased, "Seldom in the field of amateur competition, have so many owed so much to so few (specifically, you & Uncle Jack)." But especially, thank you for the package yesterday. You're a great friend, Richard Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sat May 19 10:04:47 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 17:04:47 +0100 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> <8CF0352E736020C-22E8-20DDD@webmail-m013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <02EA051A-A60F-4469-8995-41E646CA197C@virgin.net> My overdrive works on all 4 forward ! Sent from my iPhone On 19 May 2012, at 00:43, Dennis Delap wrote: > Do you tow in overdrive? > I get 9mpg with my 97 Tahoe pulling an enclosed trailer - in third gear. > D > > On May 18, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Chuck Gee wrote: > >> Same here. Just hit 170K, original brakes. 2004 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD > with >> the deisel/Allison. I almost feel guilty. >> >> I usually average around 13-14 mpg towing my 20' Pace enclosed trailer and > all >> my gear. It doesn't hardly notice hills but sometimes downshifts on its > own. >> >> I attribute my sucess to cast iron valve guides. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob Kramer >> To: robert bownes >> Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >> Sent: Thu, May 17, 2012 5:26 pm >> Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... >> >> >> My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair > amount >> f towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 >> ith plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. >> Sent from my iPhone >> On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: >>> My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol >> content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much regardless of >> the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or the FV. It slows >> down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest complaint, both with the >> 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at them >> cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension under a >> 1500 to see how well it holds up. >> >> I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs at >> least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: >> >>> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double deck >>> open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of gear and >>> tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending entirely on >>> wind direction and the grade. >>> >>> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain to >>> Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at whatever >> he >>> posted speed limit is. >>> >>> Joe C. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> ______________________________________________ >> ot at autox.team.net >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> rchive: http://www.team.net/archive >> orums: http://www.team.net/forums >> nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From stocktontr4 at gmail.com Sat May 19 16:27:48 2012 From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com (dick stockton) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 18:27:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2010 Watkins Glen in-car Message-ID: Here is video from my car at Watkins Glen battling with my old friend Bob Leitzinger and his Datsun 510. Keep an eye on the mirror. Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjLMkZLJoyA Dick From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat May 19 20:09:27 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 22:09:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2010 Watkins Glen in-car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C52FEB4-40F5-4C14-8300-507D03263408@gdhs.com> I was there and watched the race from Ceasar's cam. Good fun. Convinced me to jump in the Frey with a TR 3A the next year..... Sent from my iPhone On May 19, 2012, at 6:27 PM, dick stockton wrote: > Here is video from my car at Watkins Glen battling with my old friend Bob > Leitzinger and his Datsun 510. Keep an eye on the mirror. Enjoy. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjLMkZLJoyA > > Dick > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From igofaster at att.net Sun May 20 08:14:55 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 07:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> Message-ID: <1337523295.46447.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Bill.... I was parked around the other side of your group with my GT6... I too have a van... 2005 Ford E250 with the 5.4 ltr Triton engine...(only 73000 miles) I only got about 9.5 mpg with my 18' enclosed trailer with the GT6 and all my gear in tow... I've had a van since high school... and hair... 40 something years, always a Ford Van.. The advantages of an enclosed vehicle, versus a pickup , even with a camper, far out weigh any other vehicle for me... my van has no windows except the front doors and windscreen... privacy is an advantage... coming back to Texas early I could not find a hotel in Louisiana in two different towns... so... I found a WalMart near the Interstate with some other motor homes in the lot... pulled over, threw down a couple of blankets and pillows in the back (and my Glock, jus sayin') and went beddie bye.... the Black Ops van looks cool too although I don't have the drag pipes you and tours were sportin' to wake up the kids!..... Bobby Whitehead Vans Rock! ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 5:48:56 PM Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From cartravel at pobox.com Sun May 20 09:05:30 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 10:05:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gareth Thomas Manual Message-ID: <4FB9083A.2030607@pobox.com> I've read some interesting comments about a Tuning Manual by Gareth Thomas. Are copies available somewhere? Has anyone read it? Is it worthwhile? Larry From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sun May 20 14:35:15 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 13:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <1337523295.46447.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <1337523295.46447.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1337546115.8395.YahooMailNeo@web46109.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I guess I'll chime in. We tow with a 2010 GMC 3500 conversion van with a 6L and 6 speed auto/manual and 3:42 diff. It is pretty heavy with the handicap ramp and equipment but gets 17 mpg hwy and 11 towing the pace 22 footer and no problem holding speeds running through mountains... Steel guides. Mike Munson ________________________________ From: Bobby Whitehead To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... Bill.... I was parked around the other side of your group with my GT6... I too have a van... 2005 Ford E250 with the 5.4 ltr Triton engine...(only 73000 miles) I only got about 9.5 mpg with my 18' enclosed trailer with the GT6 and all my gear in tow... I've had a van since high school... and hair... 40 something years, always a Ford Van.. The advantages of an enclosed vehicle, versus a pickup , even with a camper, far out weigh any other vehicle for me... my van has no windows except the front doors and windscreen... privacy is an advantage... coming back to Texas early I could not find a hotel in Louisiana in two different towns... so... I found a WalMart near the Interstate with some other motor homes in the lot... pulled over, threw down a couple of blankets and pillows in the back (and my Glock, jus sayin') and went beddie bye.... the Black Ops van looks cool too although I don't have the drag pipes you and tours were sportin' to wake up the kids!..... Bobby Whitehead Vans Rock! ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 5:48:56 PM Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... Amici... I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those grades near Chattanooga and Knoxville. I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the scales in the 6,500 lb. range. I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. What do others experience? Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sun May 20 17:22:03 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 19:22:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: <1337523295.46447.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <1337523295.46447.YahooMailRC@web180811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Beleive me, after crossing the US 3times a year for 10 years with my 250cc MC road racer in a series of Ford vans with headers & glass packs, you don't want drag pipes! Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Bill.... I was parked around the other side of your group with my GT6... I too > have a van... 2005 Ford E250 with the 5.4 ltr Triton engine...(only 73000 miles) > I only got about 9.5 mpg with my 18' enclosed trailer with the GT6 and all my > gear in tow... I've had a van since high school... and hair... 40 something > years, always a Ford Van.. > The advantages of an enclosed vehicle, versus a pickup , even with a camper, far > out weigh any other vehicle for me... my van has no windows except the front > doors and windscreen... privacy is an advantage... coming back to Texas early I > could not find a hotel in Louisiana in two different towns... so... I found a > WalMart near the Interstate with some other motor homes in the lot... pulled > over, threw down a couple of blankets and pillows in the back (and my Glock, jus > sayin') and went beddie bye.... the Black Ops van looks cool too although I > don't have the drag pipes you and tours were sportin' to wake up the kids!..... > > Bobby Whitehead > Vans Rock! > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "BillDentin at aol.com" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 5:48:56 PM > Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... > > Amici... > > I towed to and from the MITTY using my 'vintage' tow vehicle. I tow with a > 1995 Chevrolet One Ton Cargo Van. This is a low mileage vehicle (just > turned past 80,000 miles) and has the early 6.5 liter diesel engine. That's the > > one converted from a gasoline engine, and not Chevy's brightest moment. > Using a cargo van as a tow vehicle has some nice advantages, and I highly > recommend it. The interior has peg board on one side, and shelves on the other. > > And the center gets packed full as well. Cargo vans hold all kinds of > stuff, and do so in a very secure fashion. This unit has two captain's chairs > and rides remarkably well considering it is a ONE TON truck. The downside > is this unit, when towing, really struggles on steep grades. It is > embarrassing in some spots. I had trouble maintaining 45 mph on some of those > grades > > near Chattanooga and Knoxville. > > I am towing my 'vintage' 1990 Pace American enclosed trailer, loaded with > race gear and my 1956 Triumph TR3 race car. The loaded trailer tips the > scales in the 6,500 lb. range. > > I recently checked the miles per gallon achieved for the 2,000 mile MITTY > trip, and found that I got better than 12.5 mpg. I thought that was pretty > good. What do others experience? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sun May 20 20:01:10 2012 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:01:10 +1000 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing. Message-ID: we tow with a 2007 Toyota Hilux 4 cyl diesel, we have a fully enclosed trailer with car & spares weighing 2000-2400kg depending on what car we have on board and what spares we load. we get 8.5 litres/100km unloaded mixed use (no trailer) and it drops to around 12litres/100km towing the trailer, so about 20MPG. cruises at 110kph on good highway, when towing. Terry O'Beirne Road and Track 66 Pine Mountain Road North Ipswich, 4305 Queensland, AUSTRALIA ph 07-32018866 fax 07-32017079 www.roadandtrack.net.au From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon May 21 00:09:34 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 23:09:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire air filters Message-ID: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> Any recommendations on air filters for a 1300 Spit with dual SU's? I've been running K&N's, but the backing plates have cracked severely after about 5 seasons of racing. I've been looking at the Longflo units sold by VB. Thanks in advance - Jim Norlin From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 21 00:53:21 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 00:53:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire air filters In-Reply-To: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FB9E661.5020008@bradakis.com> Too bad the archives aren't working properly, or I'd suggest you check out the recent K&N discussion on the Triumphs list. I've never been terribly impressed by anything Vicky Brit sells. Years back I knew TWM induction had various sizes of backing plates and filters for SU carbs, have no idea what they have now that they are Borla. mjb. From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net Mon May 21 08:33:28 2012 From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire air filters In-Reply-To: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Jim, With velocity stacks not much room for a filter unless you are running the really short stacks, or no inner fenders. I'm using 1/4" wire screen wrapped around the lip of the horn to secure. Topped with air conditioner foam filter material (ace hardware) secured with aluminum tape. I'm sure it only keeps out the big particles, but better than open stacks. Photo attached. I run the shop vac over the foam between race weekends. Has worked fine for a couple years. Tim ________________________________ From: Jim Norlin To: FOT Sent: Mon, May 21, 2012 7:09:17 AM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire air filters Any recommendations on air filters for a 1300 Spit with dual SU's? I've been running K&N's, but the backing plates have cracked severely after about 5 seasons of racing. I've been looking at the Longflo units sold by VB. Thanks in advance - Jim Norlin _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/1964spitfire at pacbell.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_7518.JPG] From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon May 21 08:47:27 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 10:47:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Clutch not working after Winter storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not race related but definitely Triumph. This weekend we were getting my son's 72 MK4 Spit out of storage from the winter. The car was running fine before we parked it in a shed in November. Went through the usual check it out routine, started up OK. When he put it gear, luckily reverse, it jumped right in, clutch not disengaging. I poked around a bit I and while the clutch master cylinder was full, the fluid was black. I figured we lost a seal and since the master was of unknown age and condition we changed it and the slave (same reason). Bled the system well and confirmed the the actuator rod / Throw out bearing arm was moving (at least 1/2 inch looking around slave into bell housing) when he pressed the pedal. The clutch is still not disengaging. We jacked up the car and confirmed that it's staying engaged. Tried rocking the wheels back and forth, see is somehow the disk could be broken free but nothing. Guess I need to pull the tranny and take a look, but next few weekends are races, won't be home and I'd like my son to have use of his toy. If this is something I can fix externally I'd like to give it a try. Anyone have an idea what could seize up like this in 4 months of dry storage? The flywheel was surfaced last year after the engine rebuild, the throw out bearing, pressure plate and disk were changed then too, maybe 1000 miles since then. Rust on the tranny shaft, broken hinge side pin for throw out arm? thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth From tjwakeman at gmail.com Mon May 21 08:52:05 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:52:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire air filters In-Reply-To: <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> Have you thought about itg filters and short stacks? http://www.itgairfilters.com/raceair.asp itg makes filters specifically for Spits plus they have a variety of shapes & sizes. I have their dome shaped one on my TR3 with DCOEs. There is almost no space for a filter for the front venturi but the dome itg filter fits. Air conditioner filters & shop vac filters? At least check out their offerings for Spitfires. Unless of course your thing is to have vacuum cleaner filters on the intake of your carbs & "Mity Vac" written on the side ;) Teriann On 5/21/12 7:33 AM, Tim Pettenati wrote: > Jim, > > With velocity stacks not much room for a filter unless you are running > the > really short stacks, or no inner fenders. > > I'm using 1/4" wire screen > wrapped around the lip of the horn to secure. Topped > with air conditioner > foam filter material (ace hardware) secured with aluminum > tape. I'm sure it > only keeps out the big particles, but better than open > stacks. > > Photo > attached. > > I run the shop vac over the foam between race weekends. Has worked > fine for a > couple years. > > Tim From tjwakeman at gmail.com Mon May 21 09:04:49 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:04:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Clutch not working after Winter storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FBA5991.6050807@gmail.com> On 5/21/12 7:47 AM, George Harmuth wrote: > Not race related but definitely Triumph. This weekend we were getting my > son's 72 MK4 Spit out of storage from the winter. The car was running fine > before we parked it in a shed in November. Went through the usual check it > out routine, started up OK. When he put it gear, luckily reverse, it jumped > right in, clutch not disengaging. I poked around a bit I and while the > clutch master cylinder was full, the fluid was black. I figured we lost a > seal and since the master was of unknown age and condition we changed it > and the slave (same reason). Bled the system well and confirmed the the > actuator rod / Throw out bearing arm was moving (at least 1/2 inch looking > around slave into bell housing) when he pressed the pedal. The clutch is > still not disengaging. We jacked up the car and confirmed that it's staying > engaged. Tried rocking the wheels back and forth, see is somehow the disk > could be broken free but nothing. Black brake fluid & only a half inch of rod movement doesn't sound good but it could be a problem I saw in my old Ford tractor when it sat too long in moist weather. Sometimes the flywheel & clutch disc stick together when sitting unused for a few months. If you have the space start the car in gear and once it is going push in the clutch and hit the brakes hard. If it is a disc stuck to the flywheel one or two tries of this and the bond should break loose. Teriann From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 21 09:05:58 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 17:05:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brake bias.... In-Reply-To: <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301cd3763$3c9b8ed0$b5d2ac70$@com> Hi, I've found out what went wrong with the brakes. The sand of Zandvoort blocked my adjustment system for brake bias. I would have set the brakes 1 turn to the rear for a dry race. Because it was blocked it was set 3 turns to the rear making the rear end locked at the corner where I ended up. The car did first time lock the rear at Scheivlak corner but I didn't noticed it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCaWAKRZND0 Cheers Chris From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon May 21 09:20:59 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 11:20:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 66, Issue 51-air filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was using the VB filters on street and race car for years. The VB foam element, even with frequent cleaning, is fairly restrictive. When I was in a situation and I was close to another car I'd pull the elements and just run with the screens to keep the bigger bits out. Last year I switched to K&Ns with short APT billet velocity stacks inside. It was during a double race weekend in NJ. Saturday was run with the old VB foam cleaners and Sunday with the Kns. I was faster (qualified 3/4 second faster, confirmed with T&S) on Sunday and the response felt better. Day to day conditions were similar, hot and dry, but not identical. Overall I'm happy with the change but the design of the K&Ns make it harder pop the covers and work on the carbs. my 2 cents G. Michael Harmuth From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Mon May 21 09:35:32 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 08:35:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Clutch not working after Winter storage In-Reply-To: <4FBA5991.6050807@gmail.com> References: <4FBA5991.6050807@gmail.com> Message-ID: <145401cd3767$5c55d2e0$0601a8c0@randall> > If you have the space start the car in gear and once it is > going push in > the clutch and hit the brakes hard. Another approach is to just drive the car a bit with the pedal held down. Shut the engine off to switch between 1st & reverse. Last time I had a stuck clutch, I only made it to the end of the (short) driveway before it freed up. -- Randall From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon May 21 15:57:24 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 16:57:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Towing MPG In-Reply-To: <97A5CEFE-523D-4433-A4B0-9315BDC0E049@umn.edu> References: <97A5CEFE-523D-4433-A4B0-9315BDC0E049@umn.edu> Message-ID: <74B52C53-2541-4A19-82E4-240AFE0BFF2E@gmail.com> I checked the Tundra's mpg (5.7 liter gasoline) again pulling the '52 Plus 4 on an Aluma flatbed (single axle) this past weekend (CVAR races at Eagles Canyon). 17.5 mpg on the way up, 14.6 mpg on the way home (5 hours each way), 70 mph most of the way. Nice tailwind on the way up = bad headwind on the way home... :-( Trailer with car is under 2500 lbs. Duncan On May 18, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Patrick Starr wrote: > From the light weight end of tow vehicle spectrum, we use a 2004 Toyota Sienna > Van towing the 1958 > Morgan +4 on a single axle trailer, and averaged 19 mpg from Minneapolis to > Road Atlanta and back. > The Morgan and trailer weigh about 2900 lb., and speed goes down up the steep > hills. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon May 21 16:49:07 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 18:49:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Towing mpg Message-ID: Hi Gang. I tow with an '11 Dodge Ram 1500 pickup, with a cap on it. My trailer is a 20 foot Mission, all aluminum. Weighs about 2500 empty. I usually get 10+ towing. It's the 5.7 Hemi, and will tow about as fast as you care to go. It's also my daily driver and gets around 15 just driving around, and 20 on the highway with the cruise set at 73. The cap is nice; I put spares in it when going to a race and sleep in it if I'm just spectating somewhere. I did the Jefferson 500 over the weekend. A fair amount of Triumphs there, including Scott Jansen who did a great job with the GT6. Nice car. Peter Brock was the Grand Marshall and gave a great speech at the dinner Sat evening. He also autographed my dash; also got my picture taken with him. Nice fellow Cheers, Bill From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 21 17:13:55 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 19:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Towing MPG In-Reply-To: <74B52C53-2541-4A19-82E4-240AFE0BFF2E@gmail.com> References: <97A5CEFE-523D-4433-A4B0-9315BDC0E049@umn.edu> <74B52C53-2541-4A19-82E4-240AFE0BFF2E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CF05BE86ECEDCF-B4C-3D3C7@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Aluma TRAILER made in Iowa? I was going approach them about building to my spec. I ended up with trailer built to my spec locally. It ended up heavier than it needed to be. Aluminum single axle nice way to go. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: FOT Sent: Mon, May 21, 2012 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Towing MPG I checked the Tundra's mpg (5.7 liter gasoline) again pulling the '52 Plus 4 on an Aluma flatbed (single axle) this past weekend (CVAR races at Eagles Canyon). 17.5 mpg on the way up, 14.6 mpg on the way home (5 hours each way), 70 mph most of the way. Nice tailwind on the way up = bad headwind on the way home... :-( Trailer with car is under 2500 lbs. Duncan On May 18, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Patrick Starr wrote: > From the light weight end of tow vehicle spectrum, we use a 2004 Toyota Sienna > Van towing the 1958 > Morgan +4 on a single axle trailer, and averaged 19 mpg from Minneapolis to > Road Atlanta and back. > The Morgan and trailer weigh about 2900 lb., and speed goes down up the steep > hills. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon May 21 18:14:34 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 19:14:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Towing MPG References: <13346A15-0F15-4961-A80C-71F709E2677F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <67CCC2AA-8015-4BDC-9237-C9C045B4F613@gmail.com> Yes, that's them. There are two dealers I checked out, one in Baytown, TX and the other in New Braunfels, TX, closer and a bit less expensive. They sell a trailer with a 63" X 10' foot deck which weighs only 365 lbs including an attached full-width ramp (model 6310) -- but it's lightly built (with 13" wheels, front "bumper" is sheet aluminum stock) so I went with the heavy duty model at a larger size -- the 6812H (68" X 12' deck) with a folding full-width ramp. I has square aluminum tubing as a bumper bar along the front. Before I mounted the spare 14" wheel and bracket it weighed 510 lbs. It has a 3000 lb capacity axle under it and I can easily maneuver it around the yard by hand. I put about $2750 into it total. It's this model: http://tinyurl.com/cuqf7az I felt I needed to add some decent tie-downs so I drilled through the side rails near the back and added D-rings with the mounting bolts passing through some chrome moly tubing to avoid crushing the side rails, and then used a tow ring from some GM vehicle, mounted similarly through the front rail. I put a steel caribineer through this ring to hold a strap to the front of the car and the ratchet the rear corners to the D rings. I do have to jack up the front of the trailer and put some wedge chocks under the rear of the ramp to avoid dragging the underside of the car when loading. Duncan > > On May 21, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> Aluma TRAILER made in Iowa? >> >> I was going approach them about building to my spec. >> >> I ended up with trailer built to my spec locally. It ended up heavier than it needed to be. >> >> Aluminum single axle nice way to go. >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon May 21 19:50:05 2012 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 20:50:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] MPH towing... In-Reply-To: References: <5991f.62b8bc25.3ce56271@aol.com> <21E9DBB2-D34C-496E-BCDB-BE7D02D56DB0@me.com> <6DDB1D36-FE45-400E-963E-CF6D30E09EBF@me.com> Message-ID: <000001cd37bd$35e52a10$a1af7e30$@rr.com> We got between 10 and 14 mpg in Alison's 2001 4x4 suburban towing the 18' dual axle trailer with the TR3. We just turned past 183,000 on this trip. About 4200# on the hook and another 1000# inside. When we were chasing the Bobs at 85mph, we were getting 10 mpg, when we were leading at 75, we were getting 14mpg. I always tow with trailer brakes but still I am constantly replacing rotors and pads on the front and rear. Chevy cheaped out on the brake package. Don't even get me started about the parking brake design. Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Kramer Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 5:08 PM To: robert bownes Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] MPH towing... My 2500 HD has 140,000 miles on the factory brakes. That's with a fair amount of towing included. I remember doing brakes at 22,000 miles on my old 1500 with plastic caliper pucks. That's why I drive an HD. Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2012, at 9:51 AM, robert bownes wrote: > My Avalanche with the 5.3 V* gets about 11.5-12 depending on ethanol > content of the fuel with the 24' enclosed trailer pretty much > regardless of the contents, be it a few thousand lbs of LeMons car or > the FV. It slows down on the hills, but doesn't have to. My biggest > complaint, both with the > 2006 and the 2002 would be that they warp front rotors if you look at > them cross eyed. I've been tempted to put the 2500 wheels/suspension > under a > 1500 to see how well it holds up. > > I do have to add that the the light bar on top of the Avalanche costs > at least a few MPG, if only because it adds a few MPH...:) > > > > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> 2002 Chevy Avalanche with 5.3 liter V8 auto trans, towing my double >> deck open trailer loaded with two Spitfires and a full complement of >> gear and tools gets 9 to 11 MPG at a constant 70 to 80 MPH, depending >> entirely on wind direction and the grade. >> >> It pulls down a lot up a steep grade (such as going up the mountain >> to Breckenridge last summer) but on flat pavement it goes fine at >> whatever the >> posted speed limit is. >> >> Joe C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/5014 - Release Date: 05/21/12 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon May 21 20:22:47 2012 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 21:22:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Pit Scooter Message-ID: <66904A44-FDE8-44BD-8E48-2B5C0FEAABBD@wi.rr.com> FoT, Anybody need a vintage 1966 Vespa as a pit vehicle? Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon May 21 21:40:45 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 20:40:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Wiring Message-ID: <4FBB0ABD.4050208@comcast.net> So, I'm in the process of rewiring the Spit. I mentioned this at the local Triumph club gathering the other nite and someone asked me how much of the wiring on the race car was still stock. I had to think for a moment, and then said - um - the tail lights. From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 21 22:43:13 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 22:43:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wiring In-Reply-To: <4FBB0ABD.4050208@comcast.net> References: <4FBB0ABD.4050208@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FBB1961.1040900@bradakis.com> One of the race Spits I purchased a while back [ The one in my facebook cover ] had an issue with the wiring. EVERY single wire on it was yellow. It didn't take long for me to rip it all out and redo it in color coded circuits. MUCH easier to track down gremlins. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 21 23:17:57 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 23:17:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire In-Reply-To: <4FB3FAA4020000B60005D1CE@mail.vbisd.org> References: <4FB3FAA3020000B60005D1CB@mail.vbisd.org> <4FB3FAA4020000B60005D1CE@mail.vbisd.org> <4FB3FAA4020000B60005D1CE@mail.vbisd.org> Message-ID: <4FBB2185.9090003@bradakis.com> Do you have Kastner's series of recent books? mjb. From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue May 22 00:25:00 2012 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 01:25:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wiring References: <4FBB0ABD.4050208@comcast.net> Message-ID: Heh, heh, not even the taillights here. Mine's wired up so I have four taillights, including what were the turn signals. Nice when one or two burn out so I still have a couple. Although last time that happened (none of the four would stay lit) we flogged inside the trunk seems like hours trying to make them work. I only got on the track by the grace of a grid chief and a pit steward who thought they saw a flash. The culprit turned out to be not in the trunk, but something that WAS still stock, the button under the brake pedal. So I bought a new one from Victoria British, cheap plastic thing (the original was in a sturdy metal case) that broke when the brake pedal slipped while trying to install it. A second one was installed, but when I stepped on the brake and let it snap back that one broke too. Got the third one to stay together but didn't trust it. It was someone on this list suggested a Honda unit, which I got -- aha, sturdy metal case -- and it's all worked fine ever since. Speaking of Vicky Brit, just had another encounter with them. Just put new GT6 corners on the car but the rebuilt brake calipers didn't come with pins to hold the brake pads in place (Ted S. found and sent me three but of course I need four; and I decided I wanted all four the right size when I bedded new pads), so I ordered up the set from VB. So what they send are Ford/Fiat parts, which would've worked except they were the wrong size -- 3/16" packaged under the part number that was correct for the 1/4" units I needed. And more, at the discounted price of $9.95 plus shipping of $7.75. Silly me to think the place closest to me (we're both in Kansas) would get them to me quick, but parts ordered online on Sunday that they should've seen Monday morning took 4 days to move 200 miles down I-70 to me, arriving Thursday by UPS. Reordered from the Roadster Factory last Friday. They arrived in Monday's mail, plain ole first class from Pennsylvania, the correct parts at a price of $5.99 and shipping of $4.25. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Norlin" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 10:40 PM Subject: [Fot] Wiring > So, I'm in the process of rewiring the Spit. I mentioned this at the > local Triumph club gathering the other nite and someone asked me how much > of the wiring on the race car was still stock. I had to think for a > moment, and then said - um - the tail lights. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From mark at bradakis.com Tue May 22 01:29:22 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 01:29:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wiring In-Reply-To: References: <4FBB0ABD.4050208@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FBB4052.30204@bradakis.com> Rocky Entriken wrote: > It was someone on this list suggested a Honda unit, which I got -- aha, sturdy metal case > -- and it's all worked fine ever since. Probably me. I remember after 15 years or so the switch went out on our '87 Civic Si. I removed the broken switch from the Honda, looked at it and hey, this looks familiar... Bought 2 at the dealer, kept on on the shelf until one of my Spits needed it. Kind of like the time I was working on the brakes of my old Datsun 720 pickup. Laid the old pads on the workbench, and there just happened to be some old TR4 pads there as well. That was about the time I started buying 240Z pads because *everybody* had those. mjb. From tr4.tony at virgin.net Tue May 22 01:53:55 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:53:55 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire air filters In-Reply-To: <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> Beware ITG filters with the big foam airboxes ... They catch fire ..... Sent from my iPhone On 21 May 2012, at 15:52, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" wrote: > Have you thought about itg filters and short stacks? > > http://www.itgairfilters.com/raceair.asp > > itg makes filters specifically for Spits plus they have a variety of shapes & sizes. > > I have their dome shaped one on my TR3 with DCOEs. There is almost no space for a filter for the front venturi but the dome itg filter fits. > > Air conditioner filters & shop vac filters? At least check out their offerings for Spitfires. Unless of course your thing is to have vacuum cleaner filters on the intake of your carbs & "Mity Vac" written on the side ;) > > Teriann > > On 5/21/12 7:33 AM, Tim Pettenati wrote: >> Jim, >> >> With velocity stacks not much room for a filter unless you are running >> the >> really short stacks, or no inner fenders. >> >> I'm using 1/4" wire screen >> wrapped around the lip of the horn to secure. Topped >> with air conditioner >> foam filter material (ace hardware) secured with aluminum >> tape. I'm sure it >> only keeps out the big particles, but better than open >> stacks. >> >> Photo >> attached. >> >> I run the shop vac over the foam between race weekends. Has worked >> fine for a >> couple years. >> >> Tim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 22 02:20:06 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:20:06 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Zandvoort race 2 In-Reply-To: <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> Message-ID: <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> Hi guys, a little video from the weekend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voRy2ZfDhsY&feature=share Cheers Chris From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue May 22 07:20:22 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:20:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ECR race video In-Reply-To: <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> Message-ID: <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and British Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to be finished loading in another hour or so. This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down substantially. Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and the Kramers. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red From 4everglades at comcast.net Tue May 22 07:21:42 2012 From: 4everglades at comcast.net (4everglades at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 13:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid Message-ID: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 22 07:52:01 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:52:01 +0200 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <003e01cd3822$13313d50$3993b7f0$@com> The seals were never compatible with silicone. Maybe they might stand silicone but most manufacturer doesn't test it. Cheers Chris (Who runs ATE blue racing) -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von 4everglades at comcast.net Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Mai 2012 15:22 An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] silicone brake fluid I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 22 07:56:19 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:56:19 +0200 Subject: [Fot] ECR race video In-Reply-To: <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003f01cd3822$ad37a100$07a6e300$@com> Did you upload uncompressed stuff? Youtube is still converting. I use the MP4 format which runs very smooth on youtube. 30min race takes about 400 MB size. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Duncan Charlton Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Mai 2012 15:20 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] ECR race video Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and British Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to be finished loading in another hour or so. This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down substantially. Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and the Kramers. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Tue May 22 08:02:59 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:02:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> >From what I have seen nearly all of the new built cylinders will carry that warning. I think it's more of an insurance disclaimer since silicone is not DOT approved for use in street cars. I too have used it in my cars and setup many others with silicone and what I have found in the past couple of years is that the seals don't have a sharp enough edge to hold the silicone! As we know this stuff is very slippery and if the seal edge is just slightly rounded the silicone will seep by resulting in loss and a soft pedal. I remember in years gone by that the seals one could buy had rather sharp sealing edges and the seals today are definitely more rounded. It also seems that to buy seals alone from auto parts stores is a thing of the past and not many carry the old box of seals any longer. All you can do now is search for seals that will work. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 4everglades at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:22 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue May 22 08:11:20 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 10:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid....now oil pump. In-Reply-To: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <8CF063BE54D74B9-87C-29B94@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Steve Yott.....were you at the MITTY and we didnt see you? I think several of us now have your special machined oil pump in our cars. I assume they are still available? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Yott To: 4everglades <4everglades at comcast.net>; 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:03 am Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone brake fluid >From what I have seen nearly all of the new built cylinders will carry that warning. I think it's more of an insurance disclaimer since silicone is not DOT approved for use in street cars. I too have used it in my cars and setup many others with silicone and what I have found in the past couple of years is that the seals don't have a sharp enough edge to hold the silicone! As we know this stuff is very slippery and if the seal edge is just slightly rounded the silicone will seep by resulting in loss and a soft pedal. I remember in years gone by that the seals one could buy had rather sharp sealing edges and the seals today are definitely more rounded. It also seems that to buy seals alone from auto parts stores is a thing of the past and not many carry the old box of seals any longer. All you can do now is search for seals that will work. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 4everglades at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:22 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Tue May 22 08:27:09 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 07:27:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <4FBBA23D.6010108@gmail.com> On 5/22/12 7:02 AM, Steve Yott wrote: > > From what I have seen nearly all of the new built cylinders will carry that > warning. I think it's more of an insurance disclaimer since silicone is not > DOT approved for use in street cars. DOT 5 brake fluid sold in all my local auto parts stores is not approved for use in cars? I had no idea. Teriann DOT 5 Silicone in the TR3 since about 1990. From tr4.tony at virgin.net Tue May 22 08:09:41 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:09:41 +0100 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <015C7588-9305-438D-8E4E-5BD991001CD3@virgin.net> I use Castrol SRF for both brake and clutch and have had a few issues with slave cylinders where the seals are quite square in the bores. Apart from that only a slight seepage that's hardly noticeable and definately no failures so it appears to be the answer. Sent from my iPhone On 22 May 2012, at 14:21, 4everglades at comcast.net wrote: > I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue May 22 09:08:13 2012 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:08:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <015C7588-9305-438D-8E4E-5BD991001CD3@virgin.net> References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, <015C7588-9305-438D-8E4E-5BD991001CD3@virgin.net> Message-ID: I raced my TR3 with the original calipers with Silicone Brake fluid one time. The Brakes on the 3 got real hot on a good day. The silicone was vaporizing to where most corners were "two pumpers" I didn't brake on the cool down lap and came up behind the line of cars pulling into the pits and I was in a panic as I had no brakes, it took about 10 pumps and I did manage to stop without having to scrub off speed on anyone's car. I changed to something else, now my favorite is Valvoline synthetic. Compare the Boiling point numbers between Silicone and anything else, Silicone is quite low. The Army uses silicone in their trucks so that all those sitting in Germany have brakes when the Rusky's attack. Silicone doesn't absorb water so it lasts a long time. I use silicone in my Healey cause when I spill it it doesn't screw up the paint and I don't drive it hard. and that's all I have to say about that. Cheers Henry Morrison From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Tue May 22 09:53:47 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 08:53:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <31.46.27984.39C9BBF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <15f401cd3833$132d5d00$0601a8c0@randall> > I think it's more of an insurance disclaimer since > silicone is not > DOT approved for use in street cars. I agree about the insurance disclaimer, but not the reason for it. Regardless of DOT approval, brake manufacturers have to test their equipment; and none of them test with DOT 5. Reproduction parts are a particular problem, since the tests were done long ago and no one is going to invest in repeating them now. I also believe there are better choices for the track, eg any "racing" fluid with frequent changes. That said, I've been using DOT 5 on the street for a long time, and I'm very happy with it. My rate of hydraulic problems has dropped dramatically since I started using DOT 5. There have been some reports of seals that were not compatible with DOT 5. IMO they fall in the same category as antifreeze in toothpaste, someone is cheating somewhere. -- Randall From spitlist at cox.net Tue May 22 10:05:43 2012 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 09:05:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I've seen the same notice and have simply disregarded it. I think the manufacturers have an agreement with the paint manufacturers so they can sell more paint. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 4everglades at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:22 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tlizzard at msn.com Tue May 22 10:26:35 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:26:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: My street TR3 has had silicone in it since it hit the road in about 1982. Never an issue. Now of late many of my customer's cars, particularly US cars from the 50s/60s, which I see a lot of, have been 50/50 with it. Seems I have more troubles with GM products as well. Terry Stetler From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 22 18:28:41 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:28:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid In-Reply-To: <015C7588-9305-438D-8E4E-5BD991001CD3@virgin.net> References: <1573735444.730402.1337692902959.JavaMail.root@sz0065a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <015C7588-9305-438D-8E4E-5BD991001CD3@virgin.net> Message-ID: <9A27218E-A1D8-471C-B6AA-0017C9EA2F78@gdhs.com> 10-4 on the SFR. The thing to use iny humble opinion though $70 per quart is a bit much Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2012, at 10:09 AM, TR4 Tony wrote: > I use Castrol SRF for both brake and clutch and have had a few issues with > slave cylinders where the seals are quite square in the bores. Apart from that > only a slight seepage that's hardly noticeable and definately no failures so > it appears to be the answer. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 22 May 2012, at 14:21, 4everglades at comcast.net wrote: > >> I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car > and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel > cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel > cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered > a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a > note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer > seals not compatable with silicone? >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue May 22 18:47:12 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:47:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ECR race video In-Reply-To: <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Nice....thanks. By the way, where's the canyon? Looked kind of flat to me Sent from my iPhone On May 22, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote: > Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and British > Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to be > finished loading in another hour or so. > > This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I > remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down substantially. > > Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running > strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore > video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and > the Kramers. > > Duncan > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue May 22 19:56:04 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 20:56:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ECR race video In-Reply-To: References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <82781F9F-59B0-4A7E-83E1-6199087F5A45@gmail.com> Probably the same place that Wichita Falls' falls are... Duncan On May 22, 2012, at 7:47 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Nice....thanks. By the way, where's the canyon? Looked kind of flat to me > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 22, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote: > >> Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and British >> Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to be >> finished loading in another hour or so. >> >> This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I >> remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down substantially. >> >> Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running >> strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore >> video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and >> the Kramers. >> >> Duncan >> 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Tue May 22 21:11:03 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 22:11:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid....now oil pump. In-Reply-To: <8CF063BE54D74B9-87C-29B94@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Joe and all, Well the short story is that I was heading to the MITTY and made it almost through Kentucky but was not feeling well and decided to return to home. Everyone tells me I missed a great time. As far as the oil pumps I am very happy that so many are now running on the road! I have produced over 50 of them so far and from what I have heard all are working well. That is great news which reflects on the wisdom of the machinists I use that came up with the final idea. I am currently out of the custom pump rotors and it will be awhile before I get another batch machined. I really hate to say that the costs will be going up again as I have needed to order rebuild kits to obtain the outer rotors. To have those machined is a very high cost since they would need to be EDM machined. I now order the rebuild kits and use the outer rotor and toss the inners! So I should have another batch ready by the end of summer and I would appreciate anyone wanting a pump to let me know so I can get an idea on the quantity to order. PS: I use bronze valve guides that I machine! I also use a clearance of .002" Just had to get that in!!!!! Steve Yott Silver Lake, WI _____ From: Joe Alexander [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:11 AM To: tr4 at wi.rr.com; 4everglades at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone brake fluid....now oil pump. Thanks Steve Yott.....were you at the MITTY and we didnt see you? I think several of us now have your special machined oil pump in our cars. I assume they are still available? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Steve Yott To: 4everglades <4everglades at comcast.net>; 'Friends of Triumph' Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:03 am Subject: Re: [Fot] silicone brake fluid >From what I have seen nearly all of the new built cylinders will carry that warning. I think it's more of an insurance disclaimer since silicone is not DOT approved for use in street cars. I too have used it in my cars and setup many others with silicone and what I have found in the past couple of years is that the seals don't have a sharp enough edge to hold the silicone! As we know this stuff is very slippery and if the seal edge is just slightly rounded the silicone will seep by resulting in loss and a soft pedal. I remember in years gone by that the seals one could buy had rather sharp sealing edges and the seals today are definitely more rounded. It also seems that to buy seals alone from auto parts stores is a thing of the past and not many carry the old box of seals any longer. All you can do now is search for seals that will work. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of 4everglades at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:22 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] silicone brake fluid I have been using silicone brake fluid for ever it seems, in the race car and my street car. !0+ years on the same master cyl, calipers and rear wheel cyls. This year I rebuilt my master cyl., front calipers and new rear wheel cyl. Please don't ask me why! Poor brakes by the end of one race. So I ordered a new master cyl.,which I recieved yesterday. Open the box and included is a note, " use of silicone fluid voids warranty". OK the question, are the newer seals not compatable with silicone? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From igofaster at att.net Wed May 23 10:06:44 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 09:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] ECR race video In-Reply-To: <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1337789204.25562.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> HEY Duncan... I'm still an FoT guy... sorry about that beast #10 Valvoline GTA Car in my rented space with you guys... was hoping I could get there about 6:00 a.m. and wake up the cattle....Although Triumph-less I was still there in support.......... Bobby Whitehead onward through the fog.... FoT forever.... ________________________________ From: Duncan Charlton To: FOT Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 8:25:08 AM Subject: [Fot] ECR race video Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and British Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to be finished loading in another hour or so. This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down substantially. Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and the Kramers. Duncan 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed May 23 12:00:04 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 14:00:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ECR race video In-Reply-To: <1337789204.25562.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> <1337789204.25562.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nice footage and track....camera did a good job is it the GoPro On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > HEY Duncan... I'm still an FoT guy... sorry about that beast #10 Valvoline > GTA > Car in my rented space with you guys... was hoping I could get there about > 6:00 > a.m. and wake up the cattle....Although Triumph-less I was still there in > support.......... > > Bobby Whitehead > onward through the fog.... FoT forever.... > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Duncan Charlton > To: FOT > Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 8:25:08 AM > Subject: [Fot] ECR race video > > Last weekend's race weekend in-car video from CVAR Group 4 racing and > British > Small Bore feature race: http://youtu.be/Jat0g9X9PJE The video ought to > be > finished loading in another hour or so. > > This was my second time on the track and I thought it seemed rougher than I > remembered. New tires and more laps meant I got my times down > substantially. > > Few TR racers were there -- Bill Collins in the yellow Spitfire (running > strong) and Joe Hovey in the green one (not seen in the British Small Bore > video; he was having persistent brake issues), but we missed the Blakes and > the Kramers. > > Duncan > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed May 23 12:36:52 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 13:36:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] ECR race video In-Reply-To: References: <4FB9DC1E.3060406@comcast.net> <1337610808.53093.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4FBA5695.30307@gmail.com> <0663B794-AB07-4FF8-AA81-A3FA65FED9D0@virgin.net> <002901cd37f3$b39ec5c0$1adc5140$@com> <79B84620-BBDB-493F-9EB5-9ED889E17EF6@gmail.com> <1337789204.25562.YahooMailRC@web180817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <77016B34-A28E-4CCC-B649-2A120D604FC3@gmail.com> Yes, the GoPro Hero. Duncan On May 23, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Robert Deanes wrote: > Nice footage and track....camera did a good job is it the GoPro From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed May 23 12:47:11 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 13:47:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dumb Question Message-ID: <000001cd3914$76cd2f20$64678d60$@com> You know, I'd had always heard that there were no dumb questions. Apparently however I found one, the question I asked about bronze valve guides. My apologies! Tim From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed May 23 13:54:11 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:54:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Dumb Question In-Reply-To: <000001cd3914$76cd2f20$64678d60$@com> References: <000001cd3914$76cd2f20$64678d60$@com> Message-ID: there are no dumb questions.....just Triumphs and owners trying to go and faster...and everybody has an opinion of what works for them and willing to share....that is what makes this great. On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > You know, I'd had always heard that there were no dumb questions. > Apparently however I found one, the question I asked about bronze valve > guides. > > > > My apologies! > > > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From mark at bradakis.com Wed May 23 17:08:59 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 17:08:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Dumb Question In-Reply-To: <000001cd3914$76cd2f20$64678d60$@com> References: <000001cd3914$76cd2f20$64678d60$@com> Message-ID: <4FBD6E0B.4060800@bradakis.com> I've certainly seen some dumb answers on Team.Net over the years! mjb. From triosan at gmail.com Thu May 24 11:41:48 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 10:41:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? Message-ID: Anyone have a 4 speed gear box with the Dolomite Sprint close ratio gear set they care to sell? How about just the gear set? How about just the third gears? Lost 3rd gear in mine last weekend -- darn and it/I were running better than we ever have British Frame and Engine does not even know if they are available; Quantumechanics has them on order for arrival in "a few weeks". Rimmer brothers appears to have something in a gear set at a little over $1000 [too much]. Racestorations sells the whole box, very expensive Do not know of any other vendors [Wishbone Classics?? Anybody have an email contact there?] Thanks, Chuck Arnold From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Thu May 24 15:54:08 2012 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 07:54:08 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Re Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox Message-ID: care! there are 2 different ratio sets. one assumes there is an overdrive to split 3rd and 4th. the other was just a 4 speed. I have all the ratio charts if needed over the past 30 years, i have broken several 3rd gear pairs from these kits and now cyro treat all the gears. I'm down to my last new 3rd gear pair . The Dolomite sprint had a unique (long) input shaft which you have to cut & shorten if you want it in a TR. Expect to pay good money. someone in the UK re-made a batch a few years back, so they wont be cheap. At one time, Moss UK were selling some specially made input shafts made for TR6 with the right ratio to match the close ratio gears. Thankfully, I still have NOS 1970's stuff from when we worked on the race cars so i dont have to bother with dubious quality re-makes. Terry From cartravel at pobox.com Thu May 24 17:08:13 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 18:08:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FBEBF5D.8020202@pobox.com> Could you post these ratios? I'm only aware of the standard TR ratios (that changed slightly a couple of times) and the close ratio dolomite gears. Speaking of Wishbone Classics (interesting name). I had never heard of them until I spoke with Kia a few days ago. I was looking for an Integral Cam grind. He seems like a reasonable guy. Any of you have experience with these guys. Thanks, Larry Young On 5/24/2012 12:41 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > Anyone have a 4 speed gear box with the Dolomite Sprint close ratio gear > set they care to sell? > How about just the gear set? > How about just the third gears? > > Lost 3rd gear in mine last weekend -- darn and it/I were running better > than we ever have > > British Frame and Engine does not even know if they are available; > Quantumechanics has them on order for arrival in "a few weeks". > Rimmer brothers appears to have something in a gear set at a little over > $1000 [too much]. > Racestorations sells the whole box, very expensive > > Do not know of any other vendors [Wishbone Classics?? Anybody have an email > contact there?] > > > Thanks, > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Thu May 24 17:43:04 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 19:43:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] needed: TR6 dimmer (later style) Message-ID: <4FBEC788.4010308@blacksburg.net> Dudes and Dudettes, Does anyone have a later-style TR250 or TR6 dimmer they no longer need? This is the "D"-shaped dimmer, not the early, rheostat-style. It may have been used on Spitlys, too, I'm not certain. TIA jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From kaskas at cox.net Thu May 24 19:32:50 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 01:32:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? In-Reply-To: <4FBEBF5D.8020202@pobox.com> References: , <4FBEBF5D.8020202@pobox.com> Message-ID: There are the Kastner ratios that are listed in one of my books. the factory made probably 50 sets of those gears back in the very early 70's. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 18:08:13 -0500 > From: cartravel at pobox.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? > > Could you post these ratios? I'm only aware of the standard TR ratios > (that changed slightly a couple of times) and the close ratio dolomite > gears. > > Speaking of Wishbone Classics (interesting name). I had never heard of > them until I spoke with Kia a few days ago. I was looking for an > Integral Cam grind. He seems like a reasonable guy. Any of you have > experience with these guys. > Thanks, > Larry Young > > On 5/24/2012 12:41 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > > Anyone have a 4 speed gear box with the Dolomite Sprint close ratio gear > > set they care to sell? > > How about just the gear set? > > How about just the third gears? > > > > Lost 3rd gear in mine last weekend -- darn and it/I were running better > > than we ever have > > > > British Frame and Engine does not even know if they are available; > > Quantumechanics has them on order for arrival in "a few weeks". > > Rimmer brothers appears to have something in a gear set at a little over > > $1000 [too much]. > > Racestorations sells the whole box, very expensive > > > > Do not know of any other vendors [Wishbone Classics?? Anybody have an email > > contact there?] > > > > > > Thanks, > > Chuck Arnold > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From markjwea at msn.com Thu May 24 21:27:40 2012 From: markjwea at msn.com (MARK J WEATHERS) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 04:27:40 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Paging RodKent Message-ID: Rod, please contact me offgroup at mark at excalpm.com Thanks From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu May 24 23:14:33 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 23:14:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] RMVR Spring race video from Saturday Message-ID: This was the first race starting near the back after forgetting my transponder in quali. I was testing a new camera mount and it was a tad low. jim g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnMjuuwZXc8 From atr6racer at hotmail.com Fri May 25 05:20:35 2012 From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 07:20:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? In-Reply-To: References: , , <4FBEBF5D.8020202@pobox.com>, Message-ID: I still have one of those original factory boxes that I've kept from the 70's. It's for sale but it ain't cheap! IIRC, 1:88, 1:42, 1:23, 1:00. Sam Halkias > From: kaskas at cox.net > To: cartravel at pobox.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 01:32:50 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? > > There are the Kastner ratios that are listed in one of my books. the factory > made probably 50 sets of those gears back in the very early 70's. > > Never be beaten by equipment > > Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 18:08:13 -0500 > > From: cartravel at pobox.com > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Close ratio TR 4-6 gearbox?? > > > > Could you post these ratios? I'm only aware of the standard TR ratios > > (that changed slightly a couple of times) and the close ratio dolomite > > gears. > > > > Speaking of Wishbone Classics (interesting name). I had never heard of > > them until I spoke with Kia a few days ago. I was looking for an > > Integral Cam grind. He seems like a reasonable guy. Any of you have > > experience with these guys. > > Thanks, > > Larry Young > > > > On 5/24/2012 12:41 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > > > Anyone have a 4 speed gear box with the Dolomite Sprint close ratio gear > > > set they care to sell? > > > How about just the gear set? > > > How about just the third gears? > > > > > > Lost 3rd gear in mine last weekend -- darn and it/I were running better > > > than we ever have > > > > > > British Frame and Engine does not even know if they are available; > > > Quantumechanics has them on order for arrival in "a few weeks". > > > Rimmer brothers appears to have something in a gear set at a little over > > > $1000 [too much]. > > > Racestorations sells the whole box, very expensive > > > > > > Do not know of any other vendors [Wishbone Classics?? Anybody have an > email > > > contact there?] > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Chuck Arnold > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/atr6racer at hotmail.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Sat May 26 02:58:27 2012 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 18:58:27 +1000 Subject: [Fot] chasing some TR250-TR6 parts Message-ID: i'm after these few used parts, does anyone have any to sell? front lower shocky dogbone plate. the part that joins the shock to the lower pan left lower trunnion. would really prefer a new genuine one diff front drive flange and the solid spacer that goes behind it distributor micrometer . this is the part that fits in when you dont have a vac advance unit rear brake adjuster wedge 4 rear brake shoes hold down pins top rad hose "T" piece that takes the vac valve (late US market TR6 only I think) kilometer speedo pair of plastic cowls that cover the column switches (dont care if faded, but must be not split) thanks, Terry (australia) From sgroh1 at comcast.net Sat May 26 10:27:57 2012 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 10:27:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Triumphs victorious at Jefferson 500 Message-ID: The Triumph Spitfire of David Gussack scored 2 class victories and one overall victory in the Jefferson 500's Lola Cup at Summit Point while Steve Groh, following an engine rebuild by FoT member Russ Moore, claimed a first and second in class, and a second overall in the Lola Cup. Awesome Triumph showing!!! From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat May 26 16:56:34 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 18:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS @ BRITISH CAR WEEK....anyone else? Message-ID: <8CF09A9EE6BB6B4-1F34-203E6@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com> John is heading east after a little respite for GRACE at MOSS. He called from Tucson moments ago and is en route to see FOT Henry Morrison. Then, by Wednesday, he will be at the BRITISH CAR WEEK at Hot Springs, AR. FOT Tom Chandler and I will be there. Anyone else?? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun May 27 20:52:16 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 22:52:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Transport Message-ID: I purchased a replacement core for the engine I trashed at the Mitty. It is located near Reading PA and I need to get it nearer to Northern Ohio, just a bit South West of Cleveland. Anybody with some extra trailer space going through the Reading PA area to Mid-Ohio next month or PVGP at PIR (Beaver Run) in July. Or any time else.....? Thanks, Marty From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 28 08:58:34 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 08:58:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs Message-ID: Greetings FoT, I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & ignition info. Thanks as always for the input. Jim g. From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 28 10:36:27 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:36:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs In-Reply-To: <20120528152243.578682D01C3@autox.team.net> References: <20120528152243.578682D01C3@autox.team.net> Message-ID: NGK BP7HS, 25 to 30 thou gap. Tony At 09:58 AM 5/28/2012, Jim Gray wrote: >Greetings FoT, > >I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & >ignition info. > >Thanks as always for the input. > >Jim g. From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 28 10:41:34 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 10:41:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs In-Reply-To: <20120528152244.A8F6D2D021C@autox.team.net> References: <20120528152244.A8F6D2D021C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4FC3AABE.4010200@bradakis.com> For points I gap plugs to 25 thou, 35 - 40 for electronic boxes. mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon May 28 10:49:31 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 12:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs In-Reply-To: <20120528164013.45FEC2D0219@autox.team.net> References: <20120528152243.578682D01C3@autox.team.net> <20120528164013.45FEC2D0219@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CF0B08FCC5F103-1C30-337CA@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> These should be readily available at your NAPA store. The NAPA Store guy told me that is a common plug used in GOLF CARS. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews To: Jim Gray ; fot Sent: Mon, May 28, 2012 11:41 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs NGK BP7HS, 25 to 30 thou gap. Tony At 09:58 AM 5/28/2012, Jim Gray wrote: >Greetings FoT, > >I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & >ignition info. > >Thanks as always for the input. > >Jim g. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon May 28 10:55:13 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 12:55:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs In-Reply-To: <8CF0B08FCC5F103-1C30-337CA@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> References: <20120528152243.578682D01C3@autox.team.net> <20120528164013.45FEC2D0219@autox.team.net> <8CF0B08FCC5F103-1C30-337CA@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6FA83401-9E37-45BB-B050-D0DA0D0FC069@gdhs.com> Our local Advance stores stock the 7's & can have 8's for you the next day. Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2012, at 12:49 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > These should be readily available at your NAPA store. > > The NAPA Store guy told me that is a common plug used in GOLF CARS. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Drews > To: Jim Gray ; fot > Sent: Mon, May 28, 2012 11:41 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs > > > NGK BP7HS, 25 to 30 thou gap. > > Tony > > At 09:58 AM 5/28/2012, Jim Gray wrote: >> Greetings FoT, >> >> I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & >> ignition info. >> >> Thanks as always for the input. >> >> Jim g. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon May 28 10:51:30 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 10:51:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs Message-ID: Tony, Do you use any type of MSD ignition or enhanced spark ? Thanks, jg -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews [mailto:tony at tonydrews.com] Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 10:36 AM To: Jim Gray; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs NGK BP7HS, 25 to 30 thou gap. Tony At 09:58 AM 5/28/2012, Jim Gray wrote: >Greetings FoT, > >I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & >ignition info. > >Thanks as always for the input. > >Jim g. From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon May 28 11:05:36 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 13:05:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FP Reg Message-ID: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of the slower turns. From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Mon May 28 11:11:58 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:11:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FP Reg In-Reply-To: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> References: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> Message-ID: What carbs are you running? I run a Holley as well. Set it at 3 and it doesn't go up when running. Also running HS6s. I has to go to MGB float bowls so that the floats were oriented front to back and not side to side. That solved my sputtering in the slower turns. Ty Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly > and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when > we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of > the slower turns. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon May 28 11:22:26 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 12:22:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FP Reg In-Reply-To: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> References: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> Message-ID: After much experimentation, Jack and I ended up with the combination of a Holley Blue fuel pump with the Holley low pressure regulator. A common problem with fuel pressure regulators is that there's not enough pressure differential between input and output to reliably operate the regulator. The Holley Blue puts out 14 psi, and I have it regulated down to a rock solid 2 psi for my webers. https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecID=2516 https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=1135 With low pressure pumps, we repeatedly had a problem where fuel delivery would shut down at the end of long straights and we'd end up pulling the regulator to make it through the weekend. Having high enough pressure to operate the regulator seems to be key. Tony At 12:05 PM 5/28/2012, John Hasty wrote: >What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly >and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when >we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of >the slower turns. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Mon May 28 12:21:21 2012 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 12:21:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FP Reg In-Reply-To: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> References: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> Message-ID: John, My guess is that for a pressure swing like that there might be a venting problem. Does the fuel cell ever have any pressure when you remove the cap?[it shouldn't]. My cheapo "clicker" type pump has been clicking away a steady and unregulated 2.5psi for many years now - in fact, if I know me, it was probably used when I put it in. My $.02 Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the > 2nd Holly > and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the > track when > we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the > gas out of > the slower turns. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 28 12:22:22 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 18:22:22 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs Message-ID: I use BOSCH Super 4 WR 56. They have a long thread so I have to use a brass spacer. Cheers Chris ------Originalnachricht------ Von: Jim Gray Absender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs Gesendet: 28. Mai 2012 16:58 Greetings FoT, I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & ignition info. Thanks as always for the input. Jim g. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon May 28 12:26:54 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 18:26:54 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FP Reg Message-ID: I try to keep it simple. I use a Mitsuba fuel pump, mounted next to the engine. That's all. Cheers Chris ------Originalnachricht------ Von: John Hasty Absender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net An: Friends of Triumph Betreff: [Fot] FP Reg Gesendet: 28. Mai 2012 19:05 What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of the slower turns. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From triosan at gmail.com Mon May 28 12:27:39 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:27:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] identify transmission Message-ID: I have a 4 speed transmission with J-type OD I purchased on e-bay several years ago. The J-type does not have the same mounts as the car. I am wondering of anybody can identify it through the model numbers on the side of the tranny: 306812WYF E336/R -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Mon May 28 12:39:21 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] FP Reg In-Reply-To: References: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <1338230361.85531.YahooMailRC@web180610.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Greg, not to devert from the current discussion but I have a 12 gal. fuel cell from Summit and when sitting it always has pressure when I remove the cap if the day has any kind of warmth at all. Can't say that I've pulled the cap when it is running. I thought that pressure was normal. Would you think that my relief valve is not relieving near enough? Jim ________________________________ From: "Greg "Lunker" Hilyer" To: John Hasty Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Mon, May 28, 2012 11:21:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg John, My guess is that for a pressure swing like that there might be a venting problem. Does the fuel cell ever have any pressure when you remove the cap?[it shouldn't]. My cheapo "clicker" type pump has been clicking away a steady and unregulated 2.5psi for many years now - in fact, if I know me, it was probably used when I put it in. My $.02 Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly > and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when > we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of > the slower turns. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lunkercars at earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From cofrog at q.com Mon May 28 14:09:30 2012 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 16:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FP Reg In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <916120386.2410105.1338235770582.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> My "cheapo clicker" (Facet Pump?) has done the same. Hope the gods don't kill the poor thing now that I've sounded off. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" To: "John Hasty" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:21:21 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg John, My guess is that for a pressure swing like that there might be a venting problem. Does the fuel cell ever have any pressure when you remove the cap?[it shouldn't]. My cheapo "clicker" type pump has been clicking away a steady and unregulated 2.5psi for many years now - in fact, if I know me, it was probably used when I put it in. My $.02 Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the > 2nd Holly > and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the > track when > we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the > gas out of > the slower turns. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ > lunkercars at earthlink.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon May 28 14:43:09 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 14:43:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] identify transmission In-Reply-To: <9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B015966EEB088@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu> References: <9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B015966EEB088@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu> Message-ID: <4FC3E35D.6080107@bradakis.com> Ruffner, James A *HS wrote: > As I recollect, the "J-type" is used on the TR-6 series, and the "A-type" is > on the -3's and-4's. Actually the TR6 was fitted with the J type starting in 1974, I think it was. The fellow who bought my TR250 put a later J type gearbox in it. It involved some surgery to the frame to fab up some mounts that fit, not a simple task. But he did get it working and was happy with it once done. Wish I still had that one - he offered me a chance to buy it back. It was bad timing - I had just lost my job at the U of U and didn't think buying another car at the time would be a wise thing to do. On a different note, Bailey's will be closed this week while Mike does some vacationing in Oregon, so I'll have time to work on stuff, like getting the Team.Net archives working properly again. I know many folks miss that functionality. One thing I have been meaning to do for quite some time is reply to all those who contributed to Team.Net during the fund drive or just because. So be patient, I've only done a handful so far, you may hear from me soon if you've made use of the donate link! mjb. From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon May 28 15:28:35 2012 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 14:28:35 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] FP Reg Message-ID: <22960068.1338240516206.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> It should be noted that the car should be running while checking the fuel pressure. At one point, I connected my fuel-pressure gauge to the output of my FP regulator, ran the fuel pump (without starting the car) to see the pressure climb and climb. In other words, it can't be checked properly in a closed-loop system. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: cofrog at q.com >Sent: May 28, 2012 1:09 PM >To: "Greg \\\"Lunker\\\" Hilyer" >Cc: Friends of Triumph >Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg > >My "cheapo clicker" (Facet Pump?) has done the same. Hope the gods don't kill the poor thing now that I've sounded off. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" >To: "John Hasty" >Cc: "Friends of Triumph" >Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:21:21 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg > >John, >My guess is that for a pressure swing like that there might be a >venting problem. Does the fuel cell ever have any pressure when you >remove the cap?[it shouldn't]. >My cheapo "clicker" type pump has been clicking away a steady and >unregulated 2.5psi for many years now - in fact, if I know me, it was >probably used when I put it in. >My $.02 >Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >TR4 #314 >Albuquerque NM >On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > >> What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the >> 2nd Holly >> and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the >> track when >> we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the >> gas out of >> the slower turns. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> lunkercars at earthlink.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon May 28 16:18:15 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 17:18:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs In-Reply-To: <20120528152307.935972D01C3@autox.team.net> References: <20120528152307.935972D01C3@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000101cd3d1f$c7298540$557c8fc0$@com> Spark Plugs - NGK BPR7HS Gap - 0.025 (Moss) Torque - 18 -25 Lb-Ft. (NGK) Use 18 Lb-Ft. This has worked well for us. Tim & Ryan -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Gray Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 9:59 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs Greetings FoT, I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & ignition info. Thanks as always for the input. Jim g. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon May 28 16:18:15 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 17:18:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs In-Reply-To: <20120528152307.935972D01C3@autox.team.net> References: <20120528152307.935972D01C3@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000001cd3d1f$c7035fa0$550a1ee0$@com> Oops, forgot to mention, Lucas distributor and mechanical points and Lucas Sport Coil ignition. I think the "R" in the designation is for a resistor plug. It is what was readily available. Tim & Ryan -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Gray Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 9:59 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 spark plugs Greetings FoT, I was just wondering what spark plugs TR4 drivers are using and any gap & ignition info. Thanks as always for the input. Jim g. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon May 28 16:22:09 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 17:22:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FP Reg In-Reply-To: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> References: <026E4F24-3C54-4519-9166-D2FC1277E28A@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <000201cd3d20$526040e0$f720c2a0$@com> Fuel Pressure Regulator - Holley Part No. 12-803 (included with pump) Pressure range 4-1/2 to 9 psi Set to 3-1/4 to 3-1/2 PSI Fuel Pump - Holley "Blue" Part No. 12-802-1 (70 gph at 9 psi, preset pressure 14 psi) Fuel Filter - Fram HPG-1 Carburetors - SU Type H6 This was all at the suggestion of Uncle Jack and Tony when we built the car. The fuel pressure has always been rock solid. I think we may have dropped the pressure to a bit under 3 PSI. I'll have to take a look when I get the engine together and back in the car running. Tim & Ryan -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Hasty Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:06 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] FP Reg What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the 2nd Holly and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the track when we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the gas out of the slower turns. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Tue May 29 02:26:52 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 09:26:52 +0100 Subject: [Fot] FP Reg In-Reply-To: <916120386.2410105.1338235770582.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <916120386.2410105.1338235770582.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: I run twin (switchable) facet red top electric pumps and I don't get any such problems. The reason I have two and they are switchable from the dash is that as they wear they tend to 'stick', so I just flip the switch and use the other until I can pull the duff one out. I got 8 years an about 50000 rally miles from the first two ..... So that's the service life of those pumps I suppose. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 28 May 2012, at 21:09, cofrog at q.com wrote: > My "cheapo clicker" (Facet Pump?) has done the same. Hope the gods don't kill the poor thing now that I've sounded off. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" > To: "John Hasty" > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:21:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] FP Reg > > John, > My guess is that for a pressure swing like that there might be a > venting problem. Does the fuel cell ever have any pressure when you > remove the cap?[it shouldn't]. > My cheapo "clicker" type pump has been clicking away a steady and > unregulated 2.5psi for many years now - in fact, if I know me, it was > probably used when I put it in. > My $.02 > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On May 28, 2012, at 11:05 AM, John Hasty wrote: > >> What kind of fuel pressure reg. are you all using? I am now on the >> 2nd Holly >> and with it set @ 3lbs in the pits, it moves from 2 to 8 out on the >> track when >> we tested Friday. At anything over 3 I get a stutter coming on the >> gas out of >> the slower turns. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> lunkercars at earthlink.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From SpiwakD at aol.com Tue May 29 06:34:00 2012 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Race fuel Message-ID: <5570.70d47a84.3cf61c38@aol.com> I use low-lead 100 octane aircraft fuel in my TR3 with 12.5-1 compression. I have never had any problems, but am wondering if I have sufficient octane. If I need more octane, should I make a blend by adding race fuel? From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue May 29 09:49:43 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 17:49:43 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Race fuel In-Reply-To: <5570.70d47a84.3cf61c38@aol.com> References: <5570.70d47a84.3cf61c38@aol.com> Message-ID: <001801cd3db2$ab626dc0$02274940$@com> I run on lead free pump fuel from 98 to 102 octane. Whatever you can get on the fuel station. Compression is 11.5:1 Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von SpiwakD at aol.com Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Mai 2012 14:34 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Race fuel I use low-lead 100 octane aircraft fuel in my TR3 with 12.5-1 compression. I have never had any problems, but am wondering if I have sufficient octane. If I need more octane, should I make a blend by adding race fuel? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue May 29 08:27:40 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 07:27:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] identify transmission References: Message-ID: Hey Chuck, call me sometime and I'll look at it and show you my mounts. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" To: "Friends" ; "Triumph" <6pack at autox.team.net>; "TRlist" Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 11:27 AM Subject: [Fot] identify transmission >I have a 4 speed transmission with J-type OD I purchased on e-bay several > years ago. The J-type does not have the same mounts as the car. I am > wondering of anybody can identify it through the model numbers on the side > of the tranny: > 306812WYF E336/R > > -- > Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From cwnfot at gmail.com Tue May 29 13:38:25 2012 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 15:38:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: identify transmission Message-ID: <017001cd3dd2$9e661890$db3249b0$@com> Hope this helps... Clark -----Original Message----- From: Quantum [mailto:john at quantumechanics.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 1:44 PM To: 'Clark W. Nicholls'; 'John Esposito' Subject: RE: [Fot] identify transmission Gang - Hi there! The 306812 indicates a TR6 case. Look at the left or right side areas where the cross shaft comes out and it should have A CC or CD prefix hand stamped serial number there. What is the serial number on the overdrive unit? That will tell what type it is also. John Esposito Quantum Mechanics Ltd. 315 Riggs Street Building A, Unit 3. Oxford Ct. 06478 Phone 203-463-8299 Fax 203-828-6039 www.quantumechanics.com From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue May 29 13:48:42 2012 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 15:48:42 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Race fuel Message-ID: <25169981.1338320922282.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Dave, I'm not fuels engineer but this topic came up on a FV list a couple of years ago and a fuels engineer posted a long and informative article. The really fundamental piece of info in that note was that the equation for calculatine octane is a made up thing. It is not based on basic units that we all know an love. Farther, he was very specific that the fomula for calculating road car gas octane was not the same as that used for aircraft fuel. Consequently, you can not compare the two and make any real sense out of it. Aircraft engines are relatively low compression ratio machines so their need for anti-knock additives is also pretty low. He also stated that current av-gas "low lead" fuel has more lead in it than car pump gas ever did. I take that at face value and assume he wasnt making stuff up. So....lead content is good for your motor but the octane may not be if you have a bunch of compression. I use it in the FV motors but they have quite low compression. Also, the formulation of the fuel is different in other ways. If you splash some car fuel on the concrete it'll take much longer for it to evaporate than an equivalent amount of av-gas. And, it feels much less oily to the touch. I use it for cleaning stuff that mineral spirits wont touch but that would be harmed by lacquer thinner or acetone..like paint. Mike -----Original Message----- >From: SpiwakD at aol.com >Sent: May 29, 2012 8:34 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Race fuel > >I use low-lead 100 octane aircraft fuel in my TR3 with 12.5-1 compression. >I have never had any problems, but am wondering if I have sufficient >octane. If I need more octane, should I make a blend by adding race fuel? >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net From rocky at spitfire4.com Tue May 29 16:32:54 2012 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 17:32:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Race fuel References: <5570.70d47a84.3cf61c38@aol.com> Message-ID: <0AD9F1167FA1467586B052159D0D3E76@rocky> If it's a race car, use race gas. I used to use 100LL avgas when I had a "low" compression engine built to last several races, when I got up above 12:1 I began using real race gas. Currently I use VP C-12. Essentially equivalent is Sunoco purple. Ask around at your local speed shops to find a retailer, which can be in strange places (my VP retailer is a heavy equipment rental company whose office manager is a circle track guy; local Sunoco retailer is a motorsport machine shop). Nice article at www.vpracingfuels.com/page469659.html -- the top half is why VP is so great, but the bottom half gives some nice tech info on race gas. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:34 AM Subject: [Fot] Race fuel >I use low-lead 100 octane aircraft fuel in my TR3 with 12.5-1 compression. > I have never had any problems, but am wondering if I have sufficient > octane. If I need more octane, should I make a blend by adding race > fuel? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Wed May 30 12:13:35 2012 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 11:13:35 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers Message-ID: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers to find out their date of manufacture and other info? TS67499E TS66557E ~Steve From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed May 30 12:30:52 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:30:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7D606139-FE0D-4A71-BE64-1DD86FD911DA@gdhs.com> The British Motor Industry Heritage Trust can probably tell you Sent from my iPhone On May 30, 2012, at 2:13 PM, steve wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > TS67499E > > TS66557E > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed May 30 12:42:31 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 11:42:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: We used to see that a lot of engine #'s coincided with the body #, at least we saw this on TR6's and not sure if it holds true on the earlier TR's. It seemed to me that the engine # was about 100 different from the body #. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:13 AM Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers > to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > TS67499E > > TS66557E > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From kaskas at cox.net Wed May 30 16:16:52 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 22:16:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, Message-ID: Don't ever be sure that the block even with the same number is the original. I had a set of stamps that were exactly like the factory original stamps. Never be beaten by equipment > From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com > To: colordog.1 at earthlink.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 11:42:31 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > > We used to see that a lot of engine #'s coincided with the body #, at least > we saw this on TR6's and not sure if it holds true on the earlier TR's. It > seemed to me that the engine # was about 100 different from the body #. > Charly Mitchel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "steve" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:13 AM > Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > > > > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers > > to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > > > TS67499E > > > > TS66557E > > > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From mark at bradakis.com Wed May 30 19:57:16 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 19:57:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, Message-ID: <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> I had a rather early TR6 at one point, CC25064 ( Sorry, AAB guys! ) and the engine number was only off by 8, as I recall, ending in 72. mjb. From rjl at gt-classics.com Wed May 30 20:20:36 2012 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 22:20:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <4FC6D574.1020907@gt-classics.com> Let's see, what color was that TR-6 again, I'm not sure I remember... :-) John On 5/30/2012 9:57 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > I had a rather early TR6 at one point, CC25064 ( Sorry, AAB guys! ) and > the engine number was only off by 8, as I recall, ending in 72. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com > > > > -- Thanks, R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From spitlist at cox.net Wed May 30 20:28:23 2012 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 19:28:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <4175856033D74D40976B2BDF6EB349BF@Vista> The further along in the production sequence, the further off the numbers got. This is because engines were pulled from the warehouse for warranty replacement and dealer spares stock, while commission numbers continued in numerical sequence. Joe -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 6:57 PM To: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers I had a rather early TR6 at one point, CC25064 ( Sorry, AAB guys! ) and the engine number was only off by 8, as I recall, ending in 72. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From tlizzard at msn.com Wed May 30 21:13:55 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 23:13:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> <4175856033D74D40976B2BDF6EB349BF@Vista> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> <4175856033D74D40976B2BDF6EB349BF@Vista> Message-ID: Not to mention the several hundred engines sold to TVR over the course of the years. There were in the neighborhood of 350 Vixen 2500s and who knows how many M Types with the TR6 engine. My Vixen is the one car I never should have let slip away... Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Curry To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; 'fot' Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers The further along in the production sequence, the further off the numbers got. This is because engines were pulled from the warehouse for warranty replacement and dealer spares stock, while commission numbers continued in numerical sequence. Joe From tr4.tony at virgin.net Thu May 31 06:11:12 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:11:12 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: TR4 CT serial led engines are normally within 500 of the comm number. BMIHT have the micro fiche records of all the factory builds only and these are by commission number order. To search for an engine you need to go through each record individually .... Takes a while. Engine changes were recorded on the old logbook in the UK, so where old VRO records were distroyed this info is lost. Some VRO's such as Coventry passed records to the Transport Museum so on these forms changes in engine and body and registration mark are shown. So, for some UK cars all the changes can be traced. If you have a system like this in the US then that's how to find the cars for those engines I it can't be done from the UK records. Both those engines look like TR4a from late 66, early 67 Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 30 May 2012, at 19:13, steve wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > TS67499E > > TS66557E > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Thu May 31 06:49:59 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 07:49:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> <4175856033D74D40976B2BDF6EB349BF@Vista> Message-ID: <4D5C9920-1035-4700-883E-80B6C8116D06@gmail.com> I've never figured out whether the numerals would have been sequential if the engines were sent to other car manufacturers, but I suspect they were. Whereas I don't know if TVR engines were marked specifically for TVR use, Morgan TR engines had a different suffix -- ME instead of E, but retaining the prefix of TS or CT. Duncan (Texas) On May 30, 2012, at 10:13 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Not to mention the several hundred engines sold to TVR over the course of the > years. There were in the neighborhood of 350 Vixen 2500s and who knows how > many M Types with the TR6 engine. > My Vixen is the one car I never should have let slip away... > > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Curry > To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; > 'fot' > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > > > The further along in the production sequence, the further off the numbers > got. This is because engines were pulled from the warehouse for warranty > replacement and dealer spares stock, while commission numbers continued in > numerical sequence. > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From fubog1 at aol.com Thu May 31 07:12:15 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: <4D5C9920-1035-4700-883E-80B6C8116D06@gmail.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>, <4FC6CFFC.20709@bradakis.com> <4175856033D74D40976B2BDF6EB349BF@Vista> <4D5C9920-1035-4700-883E-80B6C8116D06@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CF0D46227473F2-25F8-F4C@webmail-d139.sysops.aol.com> What I believe is the original engine from my '72 2500 "hybrid" is CC84762UF. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: Terry Stetler Cc: 'fot' Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 8:50 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers I've never figured out whether the numerals would have been sequential if the engines were sent to other car manufacturers, but I suspect they were. Whereas I don't know if TVR engines were marked specifically for TVR use, Morgan TR engines had a different suffix -- ME instead of E, but retaining the prefix of TS or CT. Duncan (Texas) On May 30, 2012, at 10:13 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Not to mention the several hundred engines sold to TVR over the course of the > years. There were in the neighborhood of 350 Vixen 2500s and who knows how > many M Types with the TR6 engine. > My Vixen is the one car I never should have let slip away... > > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Curry > To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; > 'fot' > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > > > The further along in the production sequence, the further off the numbers > got. This is because engines were pulled from the warehouse for warranty > replacement and dealer spares stock, while commission numbers continued in > numerical sequence. > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From weredinger at cox.net Thu May 31 08:10:40 2012 From: weredinger at cox.net (Bill) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 09:10:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers In-Reply-To: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Steve; The engines in question were produced around January 1960 and put into cars about that same time frame. The time it took to get from casting to a final vehicle is lost with time, it is anyone's guess, months maybe. Engines were made in batches with sequential numbering and shipped to final assembly were they were placed in holding, waiting for a vehicle chassis to be installed in (also in sequential numbering, but not the same) as they could have pulled the first or last of the batch on the factory floor. Engines were also pulled from these batches for other manufactures like Morgan, etc, replacement service and testing, so the further out on the model run the more likely the greater spread from Commission Number (lower) to Engine number will be. By 1960 it could be 500 to 1000 numbers off, but with varying spread from one car to the next one off the line. BMHT (VTR also does searches also) run vehicle searches based on commission numbers, but will run ones based on engine number, but it takes a lot longer as they have to pull all the commission numbers in that range to see where the engine was placed. Also of note in 1975-76 British Leland, was scrapping out TR3 NOS parts from their inventory, of which there were a few engines and blocks made available to VTR which did not have any serial numbers stamped on them. Sorry they are long gone at prices you would die for today! Bill Redinger VTR, TR2-3 Vehicle Consultant ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:13 PM Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers > to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > TS67499E > > TS66557E > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/weredinger at cox.net From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Thu May 31 08:26:09 2012 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don TR) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:26:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: According to Bill Piggot's book "Original Triumph TR2, 3, 3A and 3B", on pg 122, TR3A TS 60000 was built in Oct. 1959 and TS 70182 was built in March 1960. Considering that the engine TS numbers were about 300 or 400 numbers out from the Comm. Nos, I would guess that the two engines you listed were build in late December 1959 to January 1960. This also closely agrees with the dates of Comm. Nos listed by Marty Lodawer of TRSC for US delivered cars. Image copy of pertinant page e-mailed directly to Steve. Don Elliott, Original Owner 1958 TR3A, Montreal ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:13 PM Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > Does anyone know of a way to look up TR3-4 engine block commission numbers > to find out their date of manufacture and other info? > > TS67499E > > TS66557E > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/58tr3a at videotron.ca From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 31 08:42:37 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:42:37 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on throttle" and to the left "off throttle". Does anybody see a reason for that? http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE Cheers Chris From peter at nosimport.com Thu May 31 09:02:08 2012 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 10:02:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> Message-ID: <20120531150306.7C3FA9A4860@mx2.netinteraction.com> Loose axle U-bolts, or? Too much movement where the spring meets the axle tube. Peter C (nice vid) At 09:42 AM 5/31/2012, you wrote: >I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on >throttle" and to the left "off throttle". > >Does anybody see a reason for that? > >http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > >Cheers >Chris From malaboge at aol.com Thu May 31 11:49:33 2012 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> Message-ID: <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> Chris, A few thoughts... has it always done this or is it recent (added more hp lately?) check for anything loose/broken (spring leaves can break and be hard to spot if at the axle junction) cracked frame (check at the center "X" area as well as the where the rear of the spring mounts to the frame area) soft spring eye bushings what sort of additional link do you have for the rear? traction bars or upper link? if nothing (cannot tell from video) it may be time to install one disconnect emergency brakes and see if the problem changes if everything seems OK...detune the engine, you obviously have too much power! always pulling a little "to the left" myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'FOT' Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am Subject: [Fot] LSD I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on hrottle" and to the left "off throttle". Does anybody see a reason for that? http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE Cheers hris ______________________________________________ From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 31 12:47:23 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 18:47:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Nick from Nor Cal, I did changes to the rear: 1. Changed from 4.1 axle to 4.55 2. Swapped a welded diff against an LSD, Sailsbury type. 3. I welded the axle tube to the housing. I have hard bushes at the springs rear. No rods just stock design. With the locked rear I had no self steering. It is not a bad steer but it is feelable. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: malaboge at aol.com Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:49:33 To: ; Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD Chris, A few thoughts... has it always done this or is it recent (added more hp lately?) check for anything loose/broken (spring leaves can break and be hard to spot if at the axle junction) cracked frame (check at the center "X" area as well as the where the rear of the spring mounts to the frame area) soft spring eye bushings what sort of additional link do you have for the rear? traction bars or upper link? if nothing (cannot tell from video) it may be time to install one disconnect emergency brakes and see if the problem changes if everything seems OK...detune the engine, you obviously have too much power! always pulling a little "to the left" myself... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx To: 'FOT' Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am Subject: [Fot] LSD I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on hrottle" and to the left "off throttle". Does anybody see a reason for that? http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE Cheers hris ______________________________________________ From gaf3 at charter.net Thu May 31 12:56:48 2012 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 14:56:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> Message-ID: <4FC7BEF0.5070700@charter.net> Chris Nice camera work. If you have not determined the cause of your rear steer and have the desire to find the root cause of the problem, set up you camera pointed at a stationary plate mounted to the frame and a pointer mounted to the axle both in the forward and lateral direction in the car. The plate needs to have graduations to show the extent of the movement. With one camera you would need to set it up twice, once in each direction. This is how I use to root cause suspension issues when I was a development engineer at one of the big three. Sounds like a lot of work but since you mounted the camera you are half way there. You could also set up a scratch plate without using a camera. Just my 2 cents worth. Glenn Franco On 5/31/2012 10:42 AM, MadMarx wrote: > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > throttle" and to the left "off throttle". > > Does anybody see a reason for that? > > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gaf3 at charter.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu May 31 14:18:38 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:18:38 +0000 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> Message-ID: Bill, What I saw at the dyno session was that the left wheel moves more forth and back than on the right side. I'm searching for the cause. All bushes seem to be okay. Your idea with different spring rates or broken leaves is a point to check. Thanks Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:59:03 To: Cc: ; Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD With hard bushing you shouldn't need a panhard bar--at least I don't. You might want some kind of anti-tramping bars though. I use them on Peyote and they make a huge difference. If the spring rates are a little different they will roll up differently and steer the rear end. I'd suspect a problem in the LSD. Either your spring washers might have heated up and softened or something is just not adjusted properly. On May 31, 2012, at 11:47 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Nick from Nor Cal, > > I did changes to the rear: > 1. Changed from 4.1 axle to 4.55 > 2. Swapped a welded diff against an LSD, Sailsbury type. > 3. I welded the axle tube to the housing. > > I have hard bushes at the springs rear. No rods just stock design. > > With the locked rear I had no self steering. > It is not a bad steer but it is feelable. > > Cheers > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: malaboge at aol.com > Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:49:33 > To: ; > Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > > > Chris, > A few thoughts... > has it always done this or is it recent (added more hp lately?) > check for anything loose/broken (spring leaves can break and be hard to spot if at the axle junction) > cracked frame (check at the center "X" area as well as the where the rear of the spring mounts to the frame area) > soft spring eye bushings > what sort of additional link do you have for the rear? traction bars or upper link? if nothing (cannot tell from video) it may be time to install one > disconnect emergency brakes and see if the problem changes > > if everything seems OK...detune the engine, you obviously have too much power! > > always pulling a little "to the left" myself... > Nick in Nor Cal > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MadMarx > To: 'FOT' > Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am > Subject: [Fot] LSD > > > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > hrottle" and to the left "off throttle". > Does anybody see a reason for that? > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > Cheers > hris > ______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu May 31 18:14:24 2012 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 17:14:24 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] LSD Message-ID: <1300447.1338509664682.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The front bushes inside the "eyes" of the leaf springs are rubber with a metal sleeve. The rubber can deteriorate and essentially cause the spring's front mounting point to move around under load. My car has bronze bushes in place of the stock pieces. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: tr4racing at googlemail.com >Sent: May 31, 2012 1:18 PM >To: Bill Babcock >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > >Bill, > >What I saw at the dyno session was that the left wheel moves more forth and back than on the right side. >I'm searching for the cause. >All bushes seem to be okay. >Your idea with different spring rates or broken leaves is a point to check. > >Thanks >Chris > >Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bill Babcock >Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:59:03 >To: >Cc: ; >Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > >With hard bushing you shouldn't need a panhard bar--at least I don't. You might want some kind of anti-tramping bars though. I use them on Peyote and they make a huge difference. If the spring rates are a little different they will roll up differently and steer the rear end. I'd suspect a problem in the LSD. Either your spring washers might have heated up and softened or something is just not adjusted properly. >On May 31, 2012, at 11:47 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > >> Hi Nick from Nor Cal, >> >> I did changes to the rear: >> 1. Changed from 4.1 axle to 4.55 >> 2. Swapped a welded diff against an LSD, Sailsbury type. >> 3. I welded the axle tube to the housing. >> >> I have hard bushes at the springs rear. No rods just stock design. >> >> With the locked rear I had no self steering. >> It is not a bad steer but it is feelable. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: malaboge at aol.com >> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:49:33 >> To: ; >> Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD >> >> >> Chris, >> A few thoughts... >> has it always done this or is it recent (added more hp lately?) >> check for anything loose/broken (spring leaves can break and be hard to spot if at the axle junction) >> cracked frame (check at the center "X" area as well as the where the rear of the spring mounts to the frame area) >> soft spring eye bushings >> what sort of additional link do you have for the rear? traction bars or upper link? if nothing (cannot tell from video) it may be time to install one >> disconnect emergency brakes and see if the problem changes >> >> if everything seems OK...detune the engine, you obviously have too much power! >> >> always pulling a little "to the left" myself... >> Nick in Nor Cal >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MadMarx >> To: 'FOT' >> Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am >> Subject: [Fot] LSD >> >> >> I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on >> hrottle" and to the left "off throttle". >> Does anybody see a reason for that? >> http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE >> Cheers >> hris >> ______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From Catpusher at aol.com Thu May 31 18:47:53 2012 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park Message-ID: <4c2a2.5b44e6bb.3cf96b39@aol.com> For some years I prepped and stored our race car across the street from Golden Gate Park in SF, and I so wished that I could race there when faced with flat towing many hours to places like: SIR, Westwood, Riverside, and Road Atlanta. Over the years I have asked many people where the course was, with no clear answer. It was with pleasure that I read Monday's SF paper and found a map of the course, and about a new book about the early 1950s races, co-authored by our own Gary Horstkorta. TR Regards, Hardy From tony at tonydrews.com Thu May 31 19:16:53 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:16:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I was thinking it would be interesting to see the other side of the axle from the same camera angle to see if you get as much flex in the spring as you do in the video. The axle moves noticeably from the front to the rear as the spring winds / unwinds, if one spring is stiffer than the other you'd end up with some rear steer because of one side moving more than the other. Tony At 03:18 PM 5/31/2012, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: >Bill, > >What I saw at the dyno session was that the left wheel moves more >forth and back than on the right side. >I'm searching for the cause. >All bushes seem to be okay. >Your idea with different spring rates or broken leaves is a point to check. > >Thanks >Chris > >Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > >-----Original Message----- >From: Bill Babcock >Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:59:03 >To: >Cc: ; >Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > >With hard bushing you shouldn't need a panhard bar--at least I >don't. You might want some kind of anti-tramping bars though. I use >them on Peyote and they make a huge difference. If the spring rates >are a little different they will roll up differently and steer the >rear end. I'd suspect a problem in the LSD. Either your spring >washers might have heated up and softened or something is just not >adjusted properly. >On May 31, 2012, at 11:47 AM, tr4racing at googlemail.com wrote: > > > Hi Nick from Nor Cal, > > > > I did changes to the rear: > > 1. Changed from 4.1 axle to 4.55 > > 2. Swapped a welded diff against an LSD, Sailsbury type. > > 3. I welded the axle tube to the housing. > > > > I have hard bushes at the springs rear. No rods just stock design. > > > > With the locked rear I had no self steering. > > It is not a bad steer but it is feelable. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: malaboge at aol.com > > Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:49:33 > > To: ; > > Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > > > > > > Chris, > > A few thoughts... > > has it always done this or is it recent (added more hp lately?) > > check for anything loose/broken (spring leaves can break and be > hard to spot if at the axle junction) > > cracked frame (check at the center "X" area as well as the where > the rear of the spring mounts to the frame area) > > soft spring eye bushings > > what sort of additional link do you have for the rear? traction > bars or upper link? if nothing (cannot tell from video) it may be > time to install one > > disconnect emergency brakes and see if the problem changes > > > > if everything seems OK...detune the engine, you obviously have > too much power! > > > > always pulling a little "to the left" myself... > > Nick in Nor Cal > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: MadMarx > > To: 'FOT' > > Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am > > Subject: [Fot] LSD > > > > > > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > > hrottle" and to the left "off throttle". > > Does anybody see a reason for that? > > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > > Cheers > > hris > > ______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From cwnfot at gmail.com Thu May 31 19:41:13 2012 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 21:41:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park In-Reply-To: <4c2a2.5b44e6bb.3cf96b39@aol.com> References: <4c2a2.5b44e6bb.3cf96b39@aol.com> Message-ID: <01d801cd3f97$a2041300$e60c3900$@com> Is this it, Hardy? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/27/BAIJ1OM33L.DTL Another... http://larkspurcortemadera.patch.com/articles/driver-returns-to-days-of-glor y Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 31 20:27:19 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:27:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> There is also the reaction of the axle housing against the propshaft. The shaft turns one way, the axle reacts in the opposite direction. One wheel is pushed a bit harder into the rollers, one lifted a bit up. mjb. From rocky at spitfire4.com Thu May 31 20:26:36 2012 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 21:26:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park References: <4c2a2.5b44e6bb.3cf96b39@aol.com> Message-ID: <508AFCF13C40472B8C95BBC1EABC84D8@rocky> At the risk of dating myself, I was there for the 1953 races. As a pre-teen kid, I didn't know much about racing and nothing about SCCA at the time, but I thought this one guy in a red car whose name rhymed was cool. Of course, I didn't know anything about Phil Hill then either. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:47 PM Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park > For some years I prepped and stored our race car across the street from > Golden Gate Park in SF, and I so wished that I could race there when faced > with flat towing many hours to places like: SIR, Westwood, Riverside, and > Road Atlanta. Over the years I have asked many people where the course > was, > with no clear answer. It was with pleasure that I read Monday's SF paper > and > found a map of the course, and about a new book about the early 1950s > races, co-authored by our own Gary Horstkorta. > > TR Regards, > Hardy > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu May 31 20:31:58 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 22:31:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Prospective member/racer Message-ID: <1355A8325EDD408C936E7E9C5F3FA342@owner8914bbf7f> Hi all. We have an organization around Erie called SOB, Sons of Britain. Anyone who has anything British is welcome. Kinda like the FOT, no officers, dues, or any other constraints. They have monthly meetings, have a September car show, have various tours around the area, and will have a summer party at my farm July 29 (if you happen to be in the area). One of the guys, Mike Moore, is thinking about getting a TR4 to race and asked me if he could be put in touch with the FOT; he'll have a bunch of questions and could be helped immensely by the FOT's knowledge. I'll recommend if I can get a second. mmoore at wave1.net I'll probably head for Mid Ohio in late June for the vintage event. Thanks, Bill From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu May 31 22:38:20 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 04:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park In-Reply-To: <01d801cd3f97$a2041300$e60c3900$@com> Message-ID: <488373492.326076.1338525500312.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Yesterday as part of the annual Sonma Historic Motorsports Reunion at Infineon Raceway (actually, as of today Infineon's naming rights expired so it is now Sonoma Raceway), the track held a press conference celebrating the 60th anniversary of the races in Golden Gate Park. Present were three local ex-drivers who participated in those races and three of the original cars that were driven in the races - an ex-Phil Hill Aston Martin DB2, a 1950 Jaguar Parkinson Special and the Mercury flathead powered Baldwin Special. Amazing to see the drivers (all in their early 80s) and the three cars together. It was a kick to watch the ex-drivers all bench racing about the old days. This Saturday at the track they will have a seminar with the 1952 race winner, Bill Pollack (event Grand Marshall) plus five of the ex-drivers that raced in the Park. The event is receiving local TV, newspaper and as you've seen, Internet coverage. Gary Horstkorta Archivist - SF Region/SCCa 1962 TR4 1969 TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clark W. Nicholls" To: Catpusher at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:41:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park Is this it, Hardy? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/27/BAIJ1OM33L.DTL Another... http://larkspurcortemadera.patch.com/articles/driver-returns-to-days-of-glor y Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintage.racer at comcast.net