From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Fri Jun 1 03:25:32 2012 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 05:25:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Prospective member/racer In-Reply-To: <1355A8325EDD408C936E7E9C5F3FA342@owner8914bbf7f> References: <1355A8325EDD408C936E7E9C5F3FA342@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: <001201cd3fd8$7e808490$7b818db0$@rr.com> I'll second........but now he should follow through and get that TR4 and have the time of his life! If you've never gone to Mosport in June you owe it to yourself. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of william r tobin Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:32 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Prospective member/racer Hi all. We have an organization around Erie called SOB, Sons of Britain. Anyone who has anything British is welcome. Kinda like the FOT, no officers, dues, or any other constraints. They have monthly meetings, have a September car show, have various tours around the area, and will have a summer party at my farm July 29 (if you happen to be in the area). One of the guys, Mike Moore, is thinking about getting a TR4 to race and asked me if he could be put in touch with the FOT; he'll have a bunch of questions and could be helped immensely by the FOT's knowledge. I'll recommend if I can get a second. mmoore at wave1.net I'll probably head for Mid Ohio in late June for the vintage event. Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Fri Jun 1 03:35:43 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:35:43 +0100 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> Message-ID: <2E4F25FA-EF7F-47F4-94CE-424197BB0930@virgin.net> Chris Soft engine mounts ??? Or are you running a torque reaction arm that is touching the chassis ??! Tony Sent from my iPhone On 31 May 2012, at 15:42, "MadMarx" wrote: > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > throttle" and to the left "off throttle". > > Does anybody see a reason for that? > > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jun 1 05:34:23 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:34:23 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> Marks comment did lead me to an theory: If the force of the prop shaft makes that the rear axle press the left wheel on the ground and pulls the right wheel slightly up this would cause the axle to steer because the leaf springs are higher mounted at the rear than in front. If the right wheel goes up and the left goes down the rear axle would change direction to the left.....which make the car going to the right "on throttle" - opposite "off throttle" As I change axle ratio from 4.1 to 4.55 the engine force is greatly increased which might result in more steer from the axle. Could this be? If so, then torque rods are now mandatory. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mark J Bradakis Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Juni 2012 04:27 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD There is also the reaction of the axle housing against the propshaft. The shaft turns one way, the axle reacts in the opposite direction. One wheel is pushed a bit harder into the rollers, one lifted a bit up. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri Jun 1 08:35:34 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 07:35:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] LSD References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net><002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com><8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com><20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net><67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com><20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net><20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> Message-ID: <062A92E5D1664226976EE6C74FA0496B@Charly> You say this happened when you went from a welded diff to a LSD. Could this be caused by the way the torque is delivered to the wheels? On a welded diff, the wheels get exactly the same amount of torque with no split between the sides. With a LSD, there is the possibility that one wheel may get more torque than the other. At this point I think that all the items mentioned before also come into play. I would believe the only way to remedy this would be to put on the torque rods (traction bars) to positively locate the rear axel, and keep from having spring wind up. Make sure you make the mounting fairly stout, as I witnessed a TR4 have one break several weeks ago. and BTW, torque steer is fairly common in TR6's. Charly Mitchel > Marks comment did lead me to an theory: > > If the force of the prop shaft makes that the rear axle press the left > wheel > on the ground and pulls the right wheel slightly up this would cause the > axle to steer because the leaf springs are higher mounted at the rear than > in front. > If the right wheel goes up and the left goes down the rear axle would > change > direction to the left.....which make the car going to the right "on > throttle" - opposite "off throttle" > > As I change axle ratio from 4.1 to 4.55 the engine force is greatly > increased which might result in more steer from the axle. > Could this be? > If so, then torque rods are now mandatory. > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Mark J Bradakis > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Juni 2012 04:27 > An: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD > > There is also the reaction of the axle housing against the propshaft. > The shaft turns one way, the axle reacts in the opposite direction. > One wheel is pushed a bit harder into the rollers, one lifted a bit > up. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jun 1 08:59:49 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:59:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park In-Reply-To: <508AFCF13C40472B8C95BBC1EABC84D8@rocky> References: <4c2a2.5b44e6bb.3cf96b39@aol.com> <508AFCF13C40472B8C95BBC1EABC84D8@rocky> Message-ID: <7157E6CC7D984A77B1786B91497C8094@gdhs.local> Good Lord, I was already at Wake Forest in 1953! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rocky Entriken Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:27 PM To: Catpusher at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park At the risk of dating myself, I was there for the 1953 races. As a pre-teen kid, I didn't know much about racing and nothing about SCCA at the time, but I thought this one guy in a red car whose name rhymed was cool. Of course, I didn't know anything about Phil Hill then either. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:47 PM Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park > For some years I prepped and stored our race car across the street from > Golden Gate Park in SF, and I so wished that I could race there when faced > with flat towing many hours to places like: SIR, Westwood, Riverside, and > Road Atlanta. Over the years I have asked many people where the course > was, > with no clear answer. It was with pleasure that I read Monday's SF paper > and > found a map of the course, and about a new book about the early 1950s > races, co-authored by our own Gary Horstkorta. > > TR Regards, > Hardy > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Jun 1 12:41:25 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 13:41:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park In-Reply-To: <488373492.326076.1338525500312.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <488373492.326076.1338525500312.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FC90CD5.8080509@pobox.com> You might enjoy Bill Pollack's book "Red Wheels and White Sidewalls: Confessions of an Allard Racer". He talks about that race among many others. On 5/31/2012 11:38 PM, vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote: > Yesterday as part of the annual Sonma Historic Motorsports Reunion at Infineon Raceway (actually, as of today Infineon's naming rights expired so it is now Sonoma Raceway), the track held a press conference celebrating the 60th anniversary of the races in Golden Gate Park. Present were three local ex-drivers who participated in those races and three of the original cars that were driven in the races - an ex-Phil Hill Aston Martin DB2, a 1950 Jaguar Parkinson Special and the Mercury flathead powered Baldwin Special. Amazing to see the drivers (all in their early 80s) and the three cars together. It was a kick to watch the ex-drivers all bench racing about the old days. > > This Saturday at the track they will have a seminar with the 1952 race winner, Bill Pollack (event Grand Marshall) plus five of the ex-drivers that raced in the Park. The event is receiving local TV, newspaper and as you've seen, Internet coverage. > > Gary Horstkorta > Archivist - SF Region/SCCa > 1962 TR4 > 1969 TR6 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clark W. Nicholls" > To: Catpusher at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:41:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park > > Is this it, Hardy? > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/27/BAIJ1OM33L.DTL > Another... > http://larkspurcortemadera.patch.com/articles/driver-returns-to-days-of-glor > y > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintage.racer at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From rikrock at live.com Fri Jun 1 17:20:49 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:20:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers Message-ID: Another data point: TVR 2500M. From the TVR plate affixed to body: Build date January 1974. Engine # CF 24923 UE I'll check the numbers on my 1971 Vixen 2500 over the weekend. Rich Rock -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:12 AM To: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; tlizzard at msn.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers What I believe is the original engine from my '72 2500 "hybrid" is CC84762UF. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: Terry Stetler Cc: 'fot' Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 8:50 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers I've never figured out whether the numerals would have been sequential if the engines were sent to other car manufacturers, but I suspect they were. Whereas I don't know if TVR engines were marked specifically for TVR use, Morgan TR engines had a different suffix -- ME instead of E, but retaining the prefix of TS or CT. Duncan (Texas) On May 30, 2012, at 10:13 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Not to mention the several hundred engines sold to TVR over the course of the > years. There were in the neighborhood of 350 Vixen 2500s and who knows how > many M Types with the TR6 engine. > My Vixen is the one car I never should have let slip away... > > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Curry > To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; > 'fot' > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > > > The further along in the production sequence, the further off the numbers > got. This is because engines were pulled from the warehouse for warranty > replacement and dealer spares stock, while commission numbers continued in > numerical sequence. > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock at live.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 2 11:08:44 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:08:44 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> Message-ID: <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> Hi Guys, I installed rods to the axle. http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. Cheers Chris From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 2 12:04:56 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 20:04:56 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of the rod is too large. I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly more than it was but the car felt much better. So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. Cheers Chris And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 An: MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD Chris, Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle relative to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll stiffness. Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the spring but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. Duncan (Texas) On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I installed rods to the axle. > > http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U > > > The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. > Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. > I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sat Jun 2 12:47:32 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:47:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com> <000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> Message-ID: <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> On 6/2/2012 2:04 PM, MadMarx wrote: > I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of the > rod is too large. > I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. > With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly more > than it was but the car felt much better. > So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. > > Cheers > Chris > And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. > > > Chris, as I recall from my old DP car with a Detroit Locker differential; the car would squat to one side or the other under acceleration/deceleration; after I installed a set of torque rods the problem went away. It is important to have the axis of the rod parallel to the frame when the car is at half suspension travel. That should minimize surprises as the suspension hits the limits, as Duncan said below. By the way, it appeared from your video that the rods were welded to the top of the axle. Mine were mounted to a plate under the spring pad; the front of the rods mounted to a bracket I welded to the frame. I have some pictures of a Traction Master rod like I had installed which I can send if you want them. Gluck auf! jim > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] > Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 > An: MadMarx > Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD > > Chris, > > Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, > does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as > the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle relative > to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll > stiffness. > > Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the spring > but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam > Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye > bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), > effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. > > Duncan > (Texas) > > On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: > > >> Hi Guys, >> >> I installed rods to the axle. >> >> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >> >> >> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >> >> Cheers >> Chris > -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 2 13:14:19 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:14:19 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com> <000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <001701cd40f3$ea9200c0$bfb60240$@com> I tried to follow this design but I connected the rod with the spring mount which gives an angle. The angle has the advantage of an anti dive but it seems to stiffen up the suspension and acting like a sway bar. Too unpredictable. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: J.C. Hassall [mailto:jhassall at blacksburg.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 20:48 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD On 6/2/2012 2:04 PM, MadMarx wrote: > I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of the > rod is too large. > I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. > With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly more > than it was but the car felt much better. > So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. > > Cheers > Chris > And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. > > > Chris, as I recall from my old DP car with a Detroit Locker differential; the car would squat to one side or the other under acceleration/deceleration; after I installed a set of torque rods the problem went away. It is important to have the axis of the rod parallel to the frame when the car is at half suspension travel. That should minimize surprises as the suspension hits the limits, as Duncan said below. By the way, it appeared from your video that the rods were welded to the top of the axle. Mine were mounted to a plate under the spring pad; the front of the rods mounted to a bracket I welded to the frame. I have some pictures of a Traction Master rod like I had installed which I can send if you want them. Gluck auf! jim > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] > Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 > An: MadMarx > Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD > > Chris, > > Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, > does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as > the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle relative > to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll > stiffness. > > Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the spring > but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam > Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye > bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), > effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. > > Duncan > (Texas) > > On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: > > >> Hi Guys, >> >> I installed rods to the axle. >> >> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >> >> >> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >> >> Cheers >> Chris > -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 2 13:15:31 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:15:31 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com> <000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <001801cd40f4$15e61310$41b23930$@com> I tried to follow this design but I connected the rod with the spring mount which gives an angle. The angle has the advantage of an anti dive but it seems to stiffen up the suspension and acting like a sway bar. Too unpredictable. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KSmOrPC6I2s/T8plfWxpLFI/AAAAAAAABXs/VDma4 UruAsA/s761/CCI02062012_0000.jpg Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: J.C. Hassall [mailto:jhassall at blacksburg.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 20:48 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD On 6/2/2012 2:04 PM, MadMarx wrote: > I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of the > rod is too large. > I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. > With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly more > than it was but the car felt much better. > So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. > > Cheers > Chris > And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. > > > Chris, as I recall from my old DP car with a Detroit Locker differential; the car would squat to one side or the other under acceleration/deceleration; after I installed a set of torque rods the problem went away. It is important to have the axis of the rod parallel to the frame when the car is at half suspension travel. That should minimize surprises as the suspension hits the limits, as Duncan said below. By the way, it appeared from your video that the rods were welded to the top of the axle. Mine were mounted to a plate under the spring pad; the front of the rods mounted to a bracket I welded to the frame. I have some pictures of a Traction Master rod like I had installed which I can send if you want them. Gluck auf! jim > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] > Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 > An: MadMarx > Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD > > Chris, > > Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, > does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as > the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle relative > to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll > stiffness. > > Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the spring > but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam > Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye > bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), > effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. > > Duncan > (Texas) > > On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: > > >> Hi Guys, >> >> I installed rods to the axle. >> >> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >> >> >> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >> >> Cheers >> Chris > -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Jun 2 13:34:40 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:34:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <001801cd40f4$15e61310$41b23930$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com> <000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> <001801cd40f4$15e61310$41b23930$@com> Message-ID: Hey Chris......Those things are called Traction Bars here in NASCAR country & they are fully adjustable in a 5 second pit stop. Try a few of their web sites ...... Sent from my iPhone On Jun 2, 2012, at 3:15 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > I tried to follow this design but I connected the rod with the spring mount > which gives an angle. > The angle has the advantage of an anti dive but it seems to stiffen up the > suspension and acting like a sway bar. > Too unpredictable. > https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KSmOrPC6I2s/T8plfWxpLFI/AAAAAAAABXs/VDma4 > UruAsA/s761/CCI02062012_0000.jpg > > > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: J.C. Hassall [mailto:jhassall at blacksburg.net] > Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 20:48 > An: MadMarx > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD > > On 6/2/2012 2:04 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of the >> rod is too large. >> I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. >> With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly > more >> than it was but the car felt much better. >> So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. >> >> >> > Chris, as I recall from my old DP car with a Detroit Locker > differential; the car would squat to one side or the other under > acceleration/deceleration; after I installed a set of torque rods the > problem went away. It is important to have the axis of the rod parallel > to the frame when the car is at half suspension travel. That should > minimize surprises as the suspension hits the limits, as Duncan said > below. By the way, it appeared from your video that the rods were > welded to the top of the axle. Mine were mounted to a plate under the > spring pad; the front of the rods mounted to a bracket I welded to the > frame. > > I have some pictures of a Traction Master rod like I had installed which > I can send if you want them. > > Gluck auf! > > jim >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] >> Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 >> An: MadMarx >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD >> >> Chris, >> >> Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, >> does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as >> the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle > relative >> to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll >> stiffness. >> >> Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the spring >> but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam >> Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye >> bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), >> effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. >> >> Duncan >> (Texas) >> >> On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> I installed rods to the axle. >>> >>> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >>> >>> >>> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >>> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >>> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Chris >> > > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From stutzmans at comcast.net Sat Jun 2 13:50:06 2012 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:50:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net><002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com><8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com><20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net><67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com><20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net><20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com><000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com><95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net><003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com><25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com><000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: Years ago I modified the rear springs of my TR4 as outlined by Carroll Smith in TUNE TO WIN page 157. It really works well. I removed the track rods that were problematic. I turned the front half of the springs into trailing arms by tightly clamping the leaves together which located the axle. The back half of the spring does the springing. First, however, I installed the late TR4 springs that are longer behind the axle. Works well! Bruce . ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "MadMarx" Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > On 6/2/2012 2:04 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of >> the >> rod is too large. >> I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. >> With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly >> more >> than it was but the car felt much better. >> So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. >> >> >> > Chris, as I recall from my old DP car with a Detroit Locker differential; > the car would squat to one side or the other under > acceleration/deceleration; after I installed a set of torque rods the > problem went away. It is important to have the axis of the rod parallel > to the frame when the car is at half suspension travel. That should > minimize surprises as the suspension hits the limits, as Duncan said > below. By the way, it appeared from your video that the rods were welded > to the top of the axle. Mine were mounted to a plate under the spring > pad; the front of the rods mounted to a bracket I welded to the frame. > > I have some pictures of a Traction Master rod like I had installed which I > can send if you want them. > > Gluck auf! > > jim >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] >> Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 >> An: MadMarx >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD >> >> Chris, >> >> Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, >> does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as >> the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle >> relative >> to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll >> stiffness. >> >> Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the >> spring >> but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam >> Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye >> bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), >> effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. >> >> Duncan >> (Texas) >> >> On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> I installed rods to the axle. >>> >>> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >>> >>> >>> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >>> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >>> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Chris >> > > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 2 14:11:17 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 22:11:17 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net><002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com><8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com><20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net><67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com><20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net><20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com><000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com><95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net><003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com><25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com><000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <000001cd40fb$e1067c40$a31374c0$@com> Just found an online version of that book. Shelby says that the sway bars start fighting each other on cornering.....I think that I felt in that car. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Stutzmans [mailto:stutzmans at comcast.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 21:50 An: J.C. Hassall; MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD Years ago I modified the rear springs of my TR4 as outlined by Carroll Smith in TUNE TO WIN page 157. It really works well. I removed the track rods that were problematic. I turned the front half of the springs into trailing arms by tightly clamping the leaves together which located the axle. The back half of the spring does the springing. First, however, I installed the late TR4 springs that are longer behind the axle. Works well! Bruce . ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "MadMarx" Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > On 6/2/2012 2:04 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of >> the >> rod is too large. >> I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. >> With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly >> more >> than it was but the car felt much better. >> So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. >> >> >> > Chris, as I recall from my old DP car with a Detroit Locker differential; > the car would squat to one side or the other under > acceleration/deceleration; after I installed a set of torque rods the > problem went away. It is important to have the axis of the rod parallel > to the frame when the car is at half suspension travel. That should > minimize surprises as the suspension hits the limits, as Duncan said > below. By the way, it appeared from your video that the rods were welded > to the top of the axle. Mine were mounted to a plate under the spring > pad; the front of the rods mounted to a bracket I welded to the frame. > > I have some pictures of a Traction Master rod like I had installed which I > can send if you want them. > > Gluck auf! > > jim >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] >> Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 >> An: MadMarx >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD >> >> Chris, >> >> Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, >> does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as >> the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle >> relative >> to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll >> stiffness. >> >> Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the >> spring >> but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam >> Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye >> bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), >> effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. >> >> Duncan >> (Texas) >> >> On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> I installed rods to the axle. >>> >>> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >>> >>> >>> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >>> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >>> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Chris >> > > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 2 14:21:36 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 22:21:36 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net><002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com><8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com><20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net><67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com><20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net><20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com><000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com><95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net><003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com><25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com><000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <000401cd40fd$51e7ed30$f5b7c790$@com> Ah, sorry, meant traction bars not sway bars. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 22:11 An: 'Stutzmans'; 'J.C. Hassall' Cc: 'fot at autox.team.net' Betreff: AW: [Fot] LSD Just found an online version of that book. Shelby says that the sway bars start fighting each other on cornering.....I think that I felt in that car. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Stutzmans [mailto:stutzmans at comcast.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 21:50 An: J.C. Hassall; MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD Years ago I modified the rear springs of my TR4 as outlined by Carroll Smith in TUNE TO WIN page 157. It really works well. I removed the track rods that were problematic. I turned the front half of the springs into trailing arms by tightly clamping the leaves together which located the axle. The back half of the spring does the springing. First, however, I installed the late TR4 springs that are longer behind the axle. Works well! Bruce . ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "MadMarx" Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > On 6/2/2012 2:04 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of >> the >> rod is too large. >> I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. >> With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly >> more >> than it was but the car felt much better. >> So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. >> >> >> > Chris, as I recall from my old DP car with a Detroit Locker differential; > the car would squat to one side or the other under > acceleration/deceleration; after I installed a set of torque rods the > problem went away. It is important to have the axis of the rod parallel > to the frame when the car is at half suspension travel. That should > minimize surprises as the suspension hits the limits, as Duncan said > below. By the way, it appeared from your video that the rods were welded > to the top of the axle. Mine were mounted to a plate under the spring > pad; the front of the rods mounted to a bracket I welded to the frame. > > I have some pictures of a Traction Master rod like I had installed which I > can send if you want them. > > Gluck auf! > > jim >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] >> Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 >> An: MadMarx >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD >> >> Chris, >> >> Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, >> does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as >> the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle >> relative >> to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll >> stiffness. >> >> Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the >> spring >> but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam >> Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye >> bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), >> effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. >> >> Duncan >> (Texas) >> >> On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> I installed rods to the axle. >>> >>> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >>> >>> >>> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >>> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >>> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Chris >> > > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Jun 2 16:54:51 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:54:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <000401cd40fd$51e7ed30$f5b7c790$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net><002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com><8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com><20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net><67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com><20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net><20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com><000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com><95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net><003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com><25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com><000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> <000401cd40fd$51e7ed30$f5b7c790$@com> Message-ID: <000601cd4112$b9bcfe40$2d36fac0$@com> For what it's worth, our TR4 had been set up for racing and raced somewhat extensively in the early 80's and we think previously. It had homemade traction bars on it when we got it. I asked Jack Drews what he thought of them and whether we should re-install them when we built the car. He said that he had tried them and unless you get the geometry right on during the motion of the axle, which I think was parallel to the spring pivot and axle, they caused more problems than they solved. He took his off and advised us not to re-install them. We did not and we like the way the car handles. Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 >> >> Chris, >> >> Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, >> does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as >> the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle >> relative >> to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll >> stiffness. >> >> Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the >> spring >> but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam >> Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye >> bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), >> effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. >> >> Duncan >> (Texas) >> >> On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> I installed rods to the axle. >>> >>> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >>> >>> >>> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >>> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >>> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Chris >> > > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From rikrock at live.com Sun Jun 3 16:42:17 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 18:42:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers Message-ID: TVR Vixen 2500 Build date January 6 1971. Engine number on mfg plate is CC64883E -----Original Message----- From: Rich Rock Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 7:20 PM To: fubog1; duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; tlizzard at msn.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers Another data point: TVR 2500M. From the TVR plate affixed to body: Build date January 1974. Engine # CF 24923 UE I'll check the numbers on my 1971 Vixen 2500 over the weekend. Rich Rock -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:12 AM To: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; tlizzard at msn.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers What I believe is the original engine from my '72 2500 "hybrid" is CC84762UF. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: Terry Stetler Cc: 'fot' Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 8:50 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers I've never figured out whether the numerals would have been sequential if the engines were sent to other car manufacturers, but I suspect they were. Whereas I don't know if TVR engines were marked specifically for TVR use, Morgan TR engines had a different suffix -- ME instead of E, but retaining the prefix of TS or CT. Duncan (Texas) On May 30, 2012, at 10:13 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Not to mention the several hundred engines sold to TVR over the course of the > years. There were in the neighborhood of 350 Vixen 2500s and who knows how > many M Types with the TR6 engine. > My Vixen is the one car I never should have let slip away... > > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Curry > To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; > 'fot' > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > > > The further along in the production sequence, the further off the numbers > got. This is because engines were pulled from the warehouse for warranty > replacement and dealer spares stock, while commission numbers continued in > numerical sequence. > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock at live.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock at live.com From garygret at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 3 23:42:07 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 22:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 racecar for sale Message-ID: <1338788527.33959.YahooMailRC@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici, Itbs time for me to thin the herd to make room for other projects. For sale is my 1963 RHD TR4 race car, prepared to EProduction specs, possibly could be brought back to vintage trim or just take the drive train. Race car since 1974, ex-Chip Bond, Jack Wheeler. One of the last Uncle Jack engines freshened late 2010 by Historic Racecar, new Ross pistons, O-ringed liners, Moldex crank, Carillo rods, roller rockers, GT40 lifters, ARP, stainless header, Greg Solow oil pump, Tilton flywheel/clutch, Al rad, new Accusump, Quantum Mechanics synchros/bushes, 4.55 Detroit Locker, Jeff Snook axles/flanges. Carbon/Kevlar & fiberglass panels plus all original sheet metal. Many spares incl. complete trans/OD. Lots more details and photos for anyone interested. Asking $5000, less than you could build the engine for. Regards, Gary Schneider Madison WI From triosan at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 09:12:49 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:12:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transmission identified -- anyone want to buy it? Message-ID: A couple of weeks ago I asked for help in identifying a 4 speed/OD TR transmission I have. You all told me to look for hand stamped marking by clutch level shaft -- found it. Says MK 1500!. The input shaft is 1x10, not 1.25x10 as found in a TR6. Has a very functional J-type OD. Did run in my street TR6 for a thousand miles or so [6 years ago]. The bell housing was damaged and a small piece welded back on -- does not impact fit or performance. Would like to get $400 for it. Pictures upon request. -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From fpspitfire at comcast.net Mon Jun 4 15:58:44 2012 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (Aaron Johnson) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 17:58:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Revolution wheels for sale. 13 x 5.5 Message-ID: <04DD8DC5-4325-48B5-99DC-B2C728B698ED@comcast.net> 2 revolution wheels. 13" x 5.5 on 3 3/4 bolt circle. Spitfire rear offset (with the dish). Black spokes. Have good year rains on them which I can get taken off. $175 for the pair plus shipping. Aaron Johnson 317-517-4587 From sjanzen at me.com Mon Jun 4 19:39:47 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 21:39:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 looking for a trailer ride from Madison WI eastbound Message-ID: I just committed to buy Gary Schneider's TR4 and am looking for a way to get it moved eastward. I'm in the Philadelphia area - could probably retrieve from as far west as Ohio. Happy to help pay for gas! Gary and I would like to get it out of there in the next month or so. Thanks! Scott Janzen sjanzen at me.com 215-817-9315 From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Jun 6 12:43:37 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 11:43:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] wtd: 4: 1 CWP Message-ID: Hi All, I'm in the Need of a TR 3/4, 4.1 CWP. Must be in good useable cond. please contact me off list. Thank youTony Garmey206 612 1782 From igofaster at att.net Wed Jun 6 12:55:04 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 11:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] GTA #10 Valvoline Message-ID: <1339008904.19276.YahooMailRC@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> well... with the help of one of my sons I FINALLY got a YouTube posting on my GTA car... it is only my second session. It was HOT in North Texas.. The grasshoppers had covered the air dam in 5 minutes so it's a short video. I'm not racing just trying to drive without hic-ups... I've got another one to post when the rear end came out once... enjoy! Bobby Whitehead http://youtu.be/6j7TBAchmrg From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jun 6 15:25:17 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 23:25:17 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> Message-ID: <001201cd442a$e0dc46a0$a294d3e0$@com> I feel a little video is coming on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8Wx0_DPVm8&feature=youtu.be And the tramp bars: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3r6FX4NXsZw/T8_IiglnzXI/AAAAAAAABYE/sfCYJ bBJyn0/s761/DSC02759.JPG Cheers Chris From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Jun 6 20:03:34 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 20:03:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Message-ID: Fot, I'm a little stuck on something. I want to install an expansion tank on the car but from what I understand about them the bottom of the expansion tank needs to be higher than the head. I use a Griffin radiator which is lower than the thermostat housing. I can't see a way to get the bottom of the tank higher than the thermostat housing. I have my eye on a couple models Canton Makes but at best the bottom of the tank would still be slightly lower than the top of the thermo housing. Any idea's would be greatly appreciated. jim g From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jun 6 20:45:53 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 02:45:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Message-ID: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> Granted, this is on a GT6, I also have a Griffin, my tank sits parallel to the valve cover running length wise between the cover and the carbs. It sits above the manifold and is fed upwards from the radiator with the same size radiator hose as all the others. Its made out of the brass (solid portion) of a stock GT6 radiator with a fabricated flat bottom. As an extra precaution I have a tube leading to a small overflow bottle in the unused battery box, which has yet to accumulate anything significant in it. This system has served me well so far. Gigantic radiator... No fan. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Jim Gray Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Sent: Jun 6, 2012 9:03 PM Fot, I'm a little stuck on something. I want to install an expansion tank on the car but from what I understand about them the bottom of the expansion tank needs to be higher than the head. I use a Griffin radiator which is lower than the thermostat housing. I can't see a way to get the bottom of the tank higher than the thermostat housing. I have my eye on a couple models Canton Makes but at best the bottom of the tank would still be slightly lower than the top of the thermo housing. Any idea's would be greatly appreciated. jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jun 6 21:43:18 2012 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 20:43:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> Sounds like a Spitfire Mk1 expansion tank. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jason at multivintage.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 7:46 PM To: Jim Gray; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Granted, this is on a GT6, I also have a Griffin, my tank sits parallel to the valve cover running length wise between the cover and the carbs. It sits above the manifold and is fed upwards from the radiator with the same size radiator hose as all the others. Its made out of the brass (solid portion) of a stock GT6 radiator with a fabricated flat bottom. As an extra precaution I have a tube leading to a small overflow bottle in the unused battery box, which has yet to accumulate anything significant in it. This system has served me well so far. Gigantic radiator... No fan. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Jim Gray Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Sent: Jun 6, 2012 9:03 PM Fot, I'm a little stuck on something. I want to install an expansion tank on the car but from what I understand about them the bottom of the expansion tank needs to be higher than the head. I use a Griffin radiator which is lower than the thermostat housing. I can't see a way to get the bottom of the tank higher than the thermostat housing. I have my eye on a couple models Canton Makes but at best the bottom of the tank would still be slightly lower than the top of the thermo housing. Any idea's would be greatly appreciated. jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 06:04:45 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:04:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> Message-ID: Jim , I also use the Griffin radiator and love it, for the exspansion tank I have something simple and light, a plastic windshield wiper water bottle that you can get from Autozone for 8 to 9 dollars , about a quart and a half and you can see what is in it, sits in the battery box area in a bracket that comes with it, has worked well for 5 years now.Doubt that you can get any cheaper and still look acceptable... nothing fancy. On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > Sounds like a Spitfire Mk1 expansion tank. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of jason at multivintage.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 7:46 PM > To: Jim Gray; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Granted, this is on a GT6, I also have a Griffin, my tank sits parallel to > the valve cover running length wise between the cover and the carbs. It > sits above the manifold and is fed upwards from the radiator with the same > size radiator hose as all the others. Its made out of the brass (solid > portion) of a stock GT6 radiator with a fabricated flat bottom. As an extra > precaution I have a tube leading to a small overflow bottle in the unused > battery box, which has yet to accumulate anything significant in it. This > system has served me well so far. Gigantic radiator... No fan. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > ------Original Message------ > From: Jim Gray > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > Sent: Jun 6, 2012 9:03 PM > > Fot, > > I'm a little stuck on something. I want to install an expansion tank on the > car but from what I > > understand about them the bottom of the expansion tank needs to be higher > than the head. > > I use a Griffin radiator which is lower than the thermostat housing. > > I can't see a way to get the bottom of the tank higher than the thermostat > housing. > > I have my eye on a couple models Canton Makes but at best the bottom of the > tank would > > still be slightly lower than the top of the thermo housing. > > Any idea's would be greatly appreciated. > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From clw2000 at msn.com Thu Jun 7 06:20:23 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:20:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry>, <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista>, Message-ID: Question: why does the placement need to be above the thermostat level when the stock bottle was mounted near the bottom of the engine (on a GT6 anyway)? > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:04:45 -0400 > From: rfdeanes at gmail.com > To: spitlist at cox.net > CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Jim , I also use the Griffin radiator and love it, for the exspansion tank > I have something simple and light, a plastic windshield wiper water bottle > that you can get from Autozone for 8 to 9 dollars , about a quart and a > half and you can see what is in it, sits in the battery box area in a > bracket that comes with it, has worked well for 5 years now.Doubt that you > can get any cheaper and still look acceptable... nothing fancy. > > > On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > > > Sounds like a Spitfire Mk1 expansion tank. > > > > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of jason at multivintage.com > > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 7:46 PM > > To: Jim Gray; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > > > Granted, this is on a GT6, I also have a Griffin, my tank sits parallel to > > the valve cover running length wise between the cover and the carbs. It > > sits above the manifold and is fed upwards from the radiator with the same > > size radiator hose as all the others. Its made out of the brass (solid > > portion) of a stock GT6 radiator with a fabricated flat bottom. As an extra > > precaution I have a tube leading to a small overflow bottle in the unused > > battery box, which has yet to accumulate anything significant in it. This > > system has served me well so far. Gigantic radiator... No fan. > > Jason Ostrowski > > Friendly Ghost Racing > > ------Original Message------ > > From: Jim Gray > > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Sent: Jun 6, 2012 9:03 PM > > > > Fot, > > > > I'm a little stuck on something. I want to install an expansion tank on the > > car but from what I > > > > understand about them the bottom of the expansion tank needs to be higher > > than the head. > > > > I use a Griffin radiator which is lower than the thermostat housing. > > > > I can't see a way to get the bottom of the tank higher than the thermostat > > housing. > > > > I have my eye on a couple models Canton Makes but at best the bottom of the > > tank would > > > > still be slightly lower than the top of the thermo housing. > > > > Any idea's would be greatly appreciated. > > > > jim g > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jun 7 06:24:00 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:24:00 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Message-ID: I use an Opel Manta 2L radiator with an Opel B Kadet expansion tank. I had an overflow bottle but the bottle caused trouble if the water is forced out by a leaking head gasket. I removed the bottle. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jun 7 06:46:09 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:46:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> , <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> , Message-ID: I think here is a confusion going on. Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the filler cap. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Charles WATSON Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:20:23 Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Question: why does the placement need to be above the thermostat level when the stock bottle was mounted near the bottom of the engine (on a GT6 anyway)? > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:04:45 -0400 > From: rfdeanes at gmail.com > To: spitlist at cox.net > CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Jim , I also use the Griffin radiator and love it, for the exspansion tank > I have something simple and light, a plastic windshield wiper water bottle > that you can get from Autozone for 8 to 9 dollars , about a quart and a > half and you can see what is in it, sits in the battery box area in a > bracket that comes with it, has worked well for 5 years now.Doubt that you > can get any cheaper and still look acceptable... nothing fancy. > > > On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > > > Sounds like a Spitfire Mk1 expansion tank. > > > > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of jason at multivintage.com > > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 7:46 PM > > To: Jim Gray; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > > > Granted, this is on a GT6, I also have a Griffin, my tank sits parallel to > > the valve cover running length wise between the cover and the carbs. It > > sits above the manifold and is fed upwards from the radiator with the same > > size radiator hose as all the others. Its made out of the brass (solid > > portion) of a stock GT6 radiator with a fabricated flat bottom. As an extra > > precaution I have a tube leading to a small overflow bottle in the unused > > battery box, which has yet to accumulate anything significant in it. This > > system has served me well so far. Gigantic radiator... No fan. > > Jason Ostrowski > > Friendly Ghost Racing > > ------Original Message------ > > From: Jim Gray > > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Sent: Jun 6, 2012 9:03 PM > > > > Fot, > > > > I'm a little stuck on something. I want to install an expansion tank on the > > car but from what I > > > > understand about them the bottom of the expansion tank needs to be higher > > than the head. > > > > I use a Griffin radiator which is lower than the thermostat housing. > > > > I can't see a way to get the bottom of the tank higher than the thermostat > > housing. > > > > I have my eye on a couple models Canton Makes but at best the bottom of the > > tank would > > > > still be slightly lower than the top of the thermo housing. > > > > Any idea's would be greatly appreciated. > > > > jim g > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu Jun 7 08:36:46 2012 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 07:36:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry>, <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> , <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I have two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good shape. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question I think here is a confusion going on. Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the filler cap. Cheers Chris From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 08:59:11 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> Message-ID: Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet and petcock drain. On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I have > two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good > shape. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM > To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net > Cc: FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > I think here is a confusion going on. > > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the > filler cap. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jun 7 09:15:11 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:15:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> Message-ID: It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Robert Deanes Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 To: Joe Curry Cc: ; Charles WATSON; ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet and petcock drain. On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I have > two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good > shape. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM > To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net > Cc: FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > I think here is a confusion going on. > > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the > filler cap. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jun 7 10:31:33 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:31:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <20120607124658.8C9542D0B3A@autox.team.net> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> , <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> , <20120607124658.8C9542D0B3A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <01ff01cd44cb$00d54880$027fd980$@rr.com> > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than > the filler cap. I agree on the definition of expansion vs overflow (aka recovery). But, while it is better/easier to have the expansion tank at the top; it can still work mounted lower. One example is the later (73 onwards) Triumph Stag, which had an expansion tank mounted near the bottom of the radiator. The downside of having it down there is that you cannot use its cap to fill the system (the Stag has a separate filler cap without a pressure relief), and you cannot tell if the system is leaking (or is full) by the level in the expansion tank. The Stag's expansion tank was attached to the radiator by a small tube running to the top of the LH radiator tank, so any small amount of accumulated air would tend to find its way into the bottle as the system warmed up. -- Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jun 7 12:41:57 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 18:41:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <01ff01cd44cb$00d54880$027fd980$@rr.com> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> , <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> , <20120607124658.8C9542D0B3A@autox.team.net> <01ff01cd44cb$00d54880$027fd980$@rr.com> Message-ID: Hi Randall, I use the tank for 3 purposes: - filling the system properly - to keep more coolant - to vent the system automatically. If the water pump might cavitate you get air in the system which will after a while force out water if not removed. The venting hoses which are connected with the tank immediately removes any bubbles and send them to the tank where they don't do any harm. Very important on endurance races with long straights. Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: "Randall" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:31:33 Cc: 'FOT List' Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than > the filler cap. I agree on the definition of expansion vs overflow (aka recovery). But, while it is better/easier to have the expansion tank at the top; it can still work mounted lower. One example is the later (73 onwards) Triumph Stag, which had an expansion tank mounted near the bottom of the radiator. The downside of having it down there is that you cannot use its cap to fill the system (the Stag has a separate filler cap without a pressure relief), and you cannot tell if the system is leaking (or is full) by the level in the expansion tank. The Stag's expansion tank was attached to the radiator by a small tube running to the top of the LH radiator tank, so any small amount of accumulated air would tend to find its way into the bottle as the system warmed up. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 7 13:59:19 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] "SPITFIRE & GT6" MAGAZINE FOT CONTENT HUGE Message-ID: <8CF12FF290334FF-2320-E074@webmail-m032.sysops.aol.com> FOT This last edition of SPITFIRE & GT6 magazine has a lot of FOT content: Review of Kas' latest book. An exceptionally good article by Kas on the Spitfire and GT6. Several pictures of FOT members at work in the cockpit. The next issue will contain extensive coverage on the MITTY. Certainly worth acquiring copies or subscription. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Jun 7 14:06:26 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:06:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> <20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Robert Deanes Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 To: Joe Curry Cc: ; Charles WATSON; ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet and petcock drain. On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I have > two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good > shape. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM > To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net > Cc: FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > I think here is a confusion going on. > > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the > filler cap. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Thu Jun 7 15:46:08 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (T Thompson) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Electronic Distributor and Total Advance Message-ID: <1339105568.69695.YahooMailNeo@web120903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I recently purchased a True Spark Programmable Distributor. My Mallory Dual Point had so much play at the top of the shaft (thanks to Mark Eden for noticing this) that the point gap and dwell was very erratic at high RPMs. So I went with the True Spark that Mark had bought as well from BP Northwest. My question has to deal with the bushings included with the distributor to adjust total advance. We obviously can't do static timing and at idle it is likely there is some degree of advance occuring already (I can't idle down to 500 rpms with the cams we run). For now, I have installed the distributor with no bushings and set the timing. That is to supposed to give me 30 degrees of total advance. It starts missing at about 5000 rpms. My next step was to try retarding it more to see if that helps. My question is how to determine which bushing to use, if any, to give me the best performance. I don't have a dyno or a racetrack in my back yard, so I was wondering if anyone else is running this distributor, and which bushing they may have used. Total advance is configurable from 18 to 30. I was thinking of just getting as low of idle as possible and seeing what the difference is advance is between that and my preferred total advance, but then I thought someone else on this group likely runs the same distributor and may get me closer. Bought the distributor from BPN. Part number is 41427HP. The good thing now is that when I do set the timing, the mark on the pulley does not fluctuate (at all). Before it was hopping all over the place. Thanks in advance for your help. Ty From kaskas at cox.net Thu Jun 7 16:39:29 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 22:39:29 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry>, <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista>, , , <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net>, <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista>, , <20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net>, <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> Message-ID: Lets see...CWP, CROWN WHEEL & PINION, nah! that 's too easy, must be something I never heard of before. Never be beaten by equipment > From: timmurph at fastbytes.com > To: tr4racing at googlemail.com; rfdeanes at gmail.com; spitlist at cox.net > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:06:26 -0500 > CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still > trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM > To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry > Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people > have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Deanes > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 > To: Joe Curry > Cc: ; Charles WATSON; > ; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described > is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and > cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in > different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet > and petcock drain. > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > > > By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I > have > > two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good > > shape. > > > > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM > > To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net > > Cc: FOT List > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > > > I think here is a confusion going on. > > > > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the > > filler cap. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Jun 7 16:56:47 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:56:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> <20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net> <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> Message-ID: <29132C61-680D-4A19-83FB-BFCDF5403F54@comcast.net> Tony says it means crown/wheel/pinion. Gary Sent from my iPad On Jun 7, 2012, at 1:06 PM, "Tim Murphy" wrote: > I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still > trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM > To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry > Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people > have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Deanes > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 > To: Joe Curry > Cc: ; Charles WATSON; > ; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described > is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and > cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in > different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet > and petcock drain. > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I > have >> two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good >> shape. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM >> To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> Cc: FOT List >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question >> >> I think here is a confusion going on. >> >> Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in >> store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. >> >> Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the >> filler cap. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintage.racer at comcast.net From fasttrs at yahoo.com Thu Jun 7 17:57:27 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 18:57:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> <20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net> <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> Message-ID: Ha Ha, me too Tim, although Tony is from New Zealand. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2012, at 3:06 PM, "Tim Murphy" wrote: > I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still > trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM > To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry > Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people > have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Deanes > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 > To: Joe Curry > Cc: ; Charles WATSON; > ; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described > is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and > cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in > different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet > and petcock drain. > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I > have >> two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good >> shape. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM >> To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> Cc: FOT List >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question >> >> I think here is a confusion going on. >> >> Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in >> store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. >> >> Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the >> filler cap. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Jun 7 17:58:10 2012 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:58:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <20120607152448.40F4C2D0CC6@autox.team.net> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry><25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista><20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net><1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> <20120607152448.40F4C2D0CC6@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Sometimes German into English is tough too. (grin) You do an exceptionally good job Chris. JVV -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:15 AM To: Robert Deanes ; Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 7 18:05:24 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 20:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] CLASSIC MOTOR SPORTS & GRASSROOTS MOTOR SPORTS OFFER In-Reply-To: <5C79BC1C-4ABB-437D-A820-6BC15760871D@grassrootsmotorsports.com> References: <8CF12FF290334FF-2320-E074@webmail-m032.sysops.aol.com> <5C79BC1C-4ABB-437D-A820-6BC15760871D@grassrootsmotorsports.com> Message-ID: <8CF132189C1FBE8-1C64-11566@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> I get both magazines and always look forward to reading them. And of course, the FOT has been supported by Tim Suddard's publishing organization since the first TRIUMPH race we held at Mid-Ohio in 2002. See Andy Reid's offer below with new subscriptions....in time for coverage of the FOT and THE MITTY. (Thanks Andy) Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Andy Reid To: Joe Alexander Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2012 4:53 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] "SPITFIRE & GT6" MAGAZINE FOT CONTENT HUGE Hey Joe, the next copy of Grassroots Motorsports and Classic Motorsports also have lots of Mitty and FOT content, especially Classic Motorsports. Any FOT member can get a subscription for 19.95 and I will throw in a shirt with the Mitty poster art on it as well. Andy Andy Reid Senior Editor/Marketing Director Classic Motorsports magazine Grassroots Motorsports magazine andy at classicmotorsports.net www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com 804-400-6258 On Jun 7, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT > > This last edition of SPITFIRE & GT6 magazine has a lot of FOT content: > > Review of Kas' latest book. > > An exceptionally good article by Kas on the Spitfire and GT6. > > Several pictures of FOT members at work in the cockpit. > > The next issue will contain extensive coverage on the MITTY. > > Certainly worth acquiring copies or subscription. > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andy at classicmotorsports.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 7 18:09:47 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 20:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry><25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista><20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net><1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista><20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net> <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> Message-ID: <8CF1322261432B5-1C64-1159E@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> Crown & Pinion Gear....but I guessed at this. Tony is a New Zealander and speaks a really foreign language. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tim Murphy To: tr4racing ; 'Robert Deanes' ; 'Joe Curry' Cc: fot-bounces ; 'FOT List' Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2012 4:41 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Robert Deanes Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 To: Joe Curry Cc: ; Charles WATSON; ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet and petcock drain. On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I have > two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good > shape. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM > To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net > Cc: FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > I think here is a confusion going on. > > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the > filler cap. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From awashatko at wi.rr.com Thu Jun 7 18:24:31 2012 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:24:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Helmut Message-ID: <1C8EC3F3-1604-4F54-AFCB-60D4BE85B7F1@wi.rr.com> Anyone need a Bell Snell SA90 helmut? Size 7-3/8. Allen Jody & Allen Washatko W51 N664 Highland Drive Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 617-6801 From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Jun 7 18:26:00 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:26:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> <20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net> <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> Message-ID: <001901cd450d$482c8120$d8858360$@com> Ah, that explains it. Another one of those English speaking folks I can't understand:) Like the Irish, the Scottish and some of the English people I ran into in London. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson [mailto:fasttrs at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 6:57 PM To: Tim Murphy Cc: ; Robert Deanes; Joe Curry; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Ha Ha, me too Tim, although Tony is from New Zealand. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2012, at 3:06 PM, "Tim Murphy" wrote: > I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still > trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM > To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry > Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people > have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Deanes > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 > To: Joe Curry > Cc: ; Charles WATSON; > ; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described > is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and > cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in > different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet > and petcock drain. > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I > have >> two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good >> shape. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM >> To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> Cc: FOT List >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question >> >> I think here is a confusion going on. >> >> Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in >> store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. >> >> Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the >> filler cap. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From rikrock at live.com Thu Jun 7 18:40:35 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 20:40:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] CWP Message-ID: Tony is not the only one looking for a good 4.1 CWP. (Ring and pinion gear) Rich Rock From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 7 19:06:26 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:06:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CWP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FD15012.50401@bradakis.com> Clowns With Popcorn? mjb. From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Thu Jun 7 19:04:08 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:04:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] CLASSIC MOTOR SPORTS & GRASSROOTS MOTOR SPORTS OFFER In-Reply-To: <8CF132189C1FBE8-1C64-11566@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF12FF290334FF-2320-E074@webmail-m032.sysops.aol.com> <5C79BC1C-4ABB-437D-A820-6BC15760871D@grassrootsmotorsports.com> <8CF132189C1FBE8-1C64-11566@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4FD14F88.6030903@cfl.rr.com> At one time they offered a lifetime subscription for $99. On 6/7/12 8:05 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I get both magazines and always look forward to reading them. > > And of course, the FOT has been supported by Tim Suddard's publishing > organization since the first TRIUMPH race we held at Mid-Ohio in 2002. > > See Andy Reid's offer below with new subscriptions....in time for coverage of > the FOT and THE MITTY. (Thanks Andy) > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Reid > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2012 4:53 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] "SPITFIRE& GT6" MAGAZINE FOT CONTENT HUGE > > > Hey Joe, the next copy of Grassroots Motorsports and Classic Motorsports also > have lots of Mitty and FOT content, especially Classic Motorsports. Any FOT > member can get a subscription for 19.95 and I will throw in a shirt with the > Mitty poster art on it as well. > Andy > > > Andy Reid > Senior Editor/Marketing Director > Classic Motorsports magazine > Grassroots Motorsports magazine > andy at classicmotorsports.net > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > 804-400-6258 > > > > On Jun 7, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> FOT >> >> This last edition of SPITFIRE& GT6 magazine has a lot of FOT content: >> >> Review of Kas' latest book. >> >> An exceptionally good article by Kas on the Spitfire and GT6. >> >> Several pictures of FOT members at work in the cockpit. >> >> The next issue will contain extensive coverage on the MITTY. >> >> Certainly worth acquiring copies or subscription. >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andy at classicmotorsports.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 7 19:12:10 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 21:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] CWP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF132ADD48BAE2-1C64-12837@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> I have one. It has pitting on one pinion tooth and I am unsure if it is acceptable. Tony has right of first refusal, at this time. I have had it on the shelf for several years and will likely never use it. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Rich Rock To: fot Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:03 pm Subject: [Fot] CWP Tony is not the only one looking for a good 4.1 CWP. (Ring and pinion gear) Rich Rock _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From igofaster at att.net Thu Jun 7 20:45:41 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] "SPITFIRE & GT6" MAGAZINE FOT CONTENT HUGE In-Reply-To: <8CF12FF290334FF-2320-E074@webmail-m032.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF12FF290334FF-2320-E074@webmail-m032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1339123541.31751.YahooMailRC@web180809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> went online and secured a subscription.... hopefully there will be a shot of me and Kas at the Mitty signing my GT6 "ready to push, Kas Kastner" ..... NOT REALLY! he signed "Racing Soon....Kas Kastner" ... Kas and Peggy were an honor and pleasure to meet! Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, June 7, 2012 4:39:21 PM Subject: [Fot] "SPITFIRE & GT6" MAGAZINE FOT CONTENT HUGE FOT This last edition of SPITFIRE & GT6 magazine has a lot of FOT content: Review of Kas' latest book. An exceptionally good article by Kas on the Spitfire and GT6. Several pictures of FOT members at work in the cockpit. The next issue will contain extensive coverage on the MITTY. Certainly worth acquiring copies or subscription. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From igofaster at att.net Thu Jun 7 20:48:57 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry>, <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista>, , , <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net>, <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista>, , <20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net>, <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> Message-ID: <1339123737.41901.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> CWP that's easy Crown Whiskey Please....... (not a Crown drinker.... but.....) Bobby ________________________________ From: Kas Kastner To: Tim Murphy ; MadMarx ; rfdeanes at gmail.com; spitlist at cox.net Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot Sent: Thu, June 7, 2012 7:34:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Lets see...CWP, CROWN WHEEL & PINION, nah! that 's too easy, must be something I never heard of before. Never be beaten by equipment > From: timmurph at fastbytes.com > To: tr4racing at googlemail.com; rfdeanes at gmail.com; spitlist at cox.net > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:06:26 -0500 > CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still > trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM > To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry > Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people > have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Deanes > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 > To: Joe Curry > Cc: ; Charles WATSON; > ; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described > is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and > cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in > different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet > and petcock drain. > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > > > By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I > have > > two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good > > shape. > > > > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM > > To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net > > Cc: FOT List > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > > > I think here is a confusion going on. > > > > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the > > filler cap. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Jun 7 20:53:18 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 21:53:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Electronic Distributor and Total Advance In-Reply-To: <1339105568.69695.YahooMailNeo@web120903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1339105568.69695.YahooMailNeo@web120903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901cd4521$db9ab940$92d02bc0$@com> Do you have a timing light that you can punch in the advance and with that feature you can see exactly what advance you are actually running? I have an older Snap-on one that if I punch the advance or retard buttons I can watch and see at 3000 RPM, for example, when the timing mark is lined up on the pointer. The amount of advance is I have punched in then shows in a display. I got this from my brother when he retired from his service business. I'm pretty sure these are now available at auto parts stores for a heck of a lot less than the Snap-on variety. With somebody in the car working the accelerator and reading the tach, you can plot your advance curve. Very handy. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of T Thompson Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 4:46 PM To: 'FOT List' Subject: [Fot] Electronic Distributor and Total Advance I recently purchased a True Spark Programmable Distributor. My Mallory Dual Point had so much play at the top of the shaft (thanks to Mark Eden for noticing this) that the point gap and dwell was very erratic at high RPMs. So I went with the True Spark that Mark had bought as well from BP Northwest. My question has to deal with the bushings included with the distributor to adjust total advance. We obviously can't do static timing and at idle it is likely there is some degree of advance occuring already (I can't idle down to 500 rpms with the cams we run). For now, I have installed the distributor with no bushings and set the timing. That is to supposed to give me 30 degrees of total advance. It starts missing at about 5000 rpms. My next step was to try retarding it more to see if that helps. My question is how to determine which bushing to use, if any, to give me the best performance. I don't have a dyno or a racetrack in my back yard, so I was wondering if anyone else is running this distributor, and which bushing they may have used. Total advance is configurable from 18 to 30. I was thinking of just getting as low of idle as possible and seeing what the difference is advance is between that and my preferred total advance, but then I thought someone else on this group likely runs the same distributor and may get me closer. Bought the distributor from BPN. Part number is 41427HP. The good thing now is that when I do set the timing, the mark on the pulley does not fluctuate (at all). Before it was hopping all over the place. Thanks in advance for your help. Ty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From fogbro1 at comcast.net Thu Jun 7 21:25:58 2012 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 03:25:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Part needed Message-ID: <84782527.1556904.1339125958373.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> List, Does anyone have a late TR6 1/2 hub w/reverse they'd part with? Part no. is 153843. Thanks, Ed Woods From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jun 8 08:00:02 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 10:00:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry><25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista><20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net><1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista><20120607152448.40F4C2D0CC6@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <064E7BCFB3574CD2A203E5789979C560@gdhs.local> I'll second that.....shucks (oops Southern English) I didn't know he was from Germany for quite a while..... John H. 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JVV -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:15 AM To: Robert Deanes ; Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jun 7 15:57:17 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:57:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry><25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista><20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net><1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista><20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net> <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> Message-ID: Isn't that something like crown wheel pinion? Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: ; "'Robert Deanes'" ; "'Joe Curry'" Cc: ; "'FOT List'" Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still > trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM > To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry > Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking > people > have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Deanes > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 > To: Joe Curry > Cc: ; Charles WATSON; > ; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described > is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and > cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in > different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet > and petcock drain. > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I > have >> two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in >> good >> shape. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM >> To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> Cc: FOT List >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question >> >> I think here is a confusion going on. >> >> Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in >> store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. >> >> Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than >> the >> filler cap. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jun 8 08:27:01 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 14:27:01 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Message-ID: I have a limited vocabulary. Maybe 10000 words, not enough to meet the Queen for a chat. Hope it wasn't to bad Kas when I talked to you at the N|rburgring last year. ------Originalnachricht------ Von: Jerry Van Vlack An: tr4racing at googlemail.com An: Robert Deanes An: Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Cc: FOT List Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Gesendet: 8. Jun. 2012 01:58 Sometimes German into English is tough too. (grin) You do an exceptionally good job Chris. JVV -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:15 AM To: Robert Deanes ; Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Fri Jun 8 08:57:01 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 08:57:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Electronic Distributor and Total Advance In-Reply-To: <000901cd4521$db9ab940$92d02bc0$@com> References: <1339105568.69695.YahooMailNeo@web120903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000901cd4521$db9ab940$92d02bc0$@com> Message-ID: Thanks Tim. I do have a timing light to set total advance. It has a dial gage to set the timing I want. I believe there are other timing issues I need to get smarter on. Sounds like I need to plot an advance curve to see where full advance comes on and then possibly play with spring rates. Will learn a lot in that process. Jim Gray also sent me some great info on spring rates and methods for determining total advance versus static timing. So with a little reading and trial and error I can hopefully get this dialed in. Ty Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2012, at 8:53 PM, "Tim Murphy" wrote: > Do you have a timing light that you can punch in the advance and with that > feature you can see exactly what advance you are actually running? I have > an older Snap-on one that if I punch the advance or retard buttons I can > watch and see at 3000 RPM, for example, when the timing mark is lined up on > the pointer. The amount of advance is I have punched in then shows in a > display. I got this from my brother when he retired from his service > business. I'm pretty sure these are now available at auto parts stores for > a heck of a lot less than the Snap-on variety. > With somebody in the car working the accelerator and reading the > tach, you can plot your advance curve. Very handy. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of T Thompson > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 4:46 PM > To: 'FOT List' > Subject: [Fot] Electronic Distributor and Total Advance > > I recently purchased a True Spark Programmable Distributor. My Mallory Dual > Point had so much play at the top of the shaft (thanks to Mark Eden for > noticing this) that the point gap and dwell was very erratic at high RPMs. > So > I went with the True Spark that Mark had bought as well from BP Northwest. > > My question has to deal with the bushings included with the distributor to > adjust total advance. We obviously can't do static timing and at idle it is > likely there is some degree of advance occuring already (I can't idle down > to 500 rpms with the cams we run). For now, I have installed the > distributor > with no bushings and set the timing. That is to supposed to give me 30 > degrees of total advance. It starts missing at about 5000 rpms. My next > step > was to try retarding it more to see if that helps. > > My question is how to > determine which bushing to use, if any, to give me the best performance. I > don't have a dyno or a racetrack in my back yard, so I was wondering if > anyone > else is running this distributor, and which bushing they may have used. > Total > advance is configurable from 18 to 30. > > I was thinking of just getting as > low of idle as possible and seeing what the difference is advance is between > that and my preferred total advance, but then I thought someone else on this > group likely runs the same distributor and may get me closer. Bought the > distributor from BPN. Part number is 41427HP. > > The good thing now is that > when I do set the timing, the mark on the pulley does not fluctuate (at > all). > Before it was hopping all over the place. > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Ty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jun 8 09:46:29 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:46:29 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Front axle movement In-Reply-To: <20120608144217.78EF52C0C0C@autox.team.net> References: <20120608144217.78EF52C0C0C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000001cd458d$e00d3680$a027a380$@com> Just for the fun and I had a little battery on the camera left: http://youtu.be/ulhW1IR1HaY It is nothing special, I was just curios what surprises are lurking there. Cheers Chris From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Fri Jun 8 09:53:14 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:53:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Interesting ignition timing discussion Message-ID: I received these links from Jim Gray. BTW, he has totally kicked butt in the last two races in CO. Beating Lotus 7s, 911s and more and he runs a clean race. Definitely one of the fastest DP cars in our region, and the fastest TR4. And he has been a great help to the FOT guys in RMVR. Never toots his own horn so I will! Ty > > http://www.british-cars.net/triumph-tr6-bbs/re-curving-distributor-2004050409 33111476.htm > > > http://www.triumphowners.com/uploaded/34/111457_86lucas_dissy_tuning.pdf From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Jun 8 09:55:52 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 08:55:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CWP Message-ID: Hello again. Well, I guess I should put this request in again...Sorry for the confusion :)I am in the need of a Good useable 4.1 CROWN WHEEL AND PINION for a TR (truimph) 3 or 4 !! Thank you Joe for the "first right" of the unit you have. I also have a TR 3/4 Detroit Locker. The gears etc are in "as new" shape. Make me an offer ! Please contact me off list. RegardsTony Garmey From cofrog at q.com Fri Jun 8 11:43:20 2012 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 13:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Interesting ignition timing discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1374979418.2723252.1339177400531.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Some say his horn needs trouble shooting! Jim has become the "leader" of the TR4 bunch in RMVR. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com To: "Triumph Friends of" Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 9:53:14 AM Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Interesting ignition timing discussion I received these links from Jim Gray. BTW, he has totally kicked butt in the last two races in CO. Beating Lotus 7s, 911s and more and he runs a clean race. Definitely one of the fastest DP cars in our region, and the fastest TR4. And he has been a great help to the FOT guys in RMVR. Never toots his own horn so I will! Ty > > http://www.british-cars.net/triumph-tr6-bbs/re-curving-distributor-2004050409 33111476.htm > > > http://www.triumphowners.com/uploaded/34/111457_86lucas_dissy_tuning.pdf _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jun 8 15:34:54 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:34:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! Message-ID: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> I know this is not within the usual scope of discussion for this list, please bear with me. Go to http://www.ebay.com/drive-away-cancer - some of you may recognize that fellow behind the wheel. And the car is obviously not a Triumph. Scroll down and read about the incident that occurred this afternoon near Birmingham, Alabama. I was just planning on sending out the info about the "unpleasant man" insisting on getting his $55 parking "fine" but I've been thinking about it. That guy basically stole $55 from sick kids in the hospital. That is a BAD thing, if you ask me. John is doing a GOOD thing. And those who do good things should be rewarded tenfold. So to that end I am going to challenge all of us on Team.Net to come up with $550 to give to him. If you are of like mind, and use Paypal, the address is grace at autox.team.net. If you want to send a check, payable to Team.Net, send it to: Team Net PO Box 58333 Salt Lake City, UT 84158. Make sure you tag the funds as being for John, I don't want to steal $55 from him thinking the money was meant for the Fat Chance Garage Tool and Beverage fund - I'm not a godless, greed driven scumbag! mjb. From tarch at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 8 15:48:28 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:48:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Valve Guides one more time In-Reply-To: <1374979418.2723252.1339177400531.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <1374979418.2723252.1339177400531.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <021a01cd45c0$71212f50$53638df0$@net> Hang on for one more lap of the valve guide issue. 1. The existing valve guides in my TR-4 head are at different depths. You can see the bottom of the intake guides through the intake port but the exhaust guides are significantly higher and not visible through the exhaust port. Peeking through the valve springs, the exhaust guides appear to be at least 1/2 an inch higher than the intakes. 2. To my machinist's chagrin, I'm participating in the head rebuild exercise. (He's a good friend so it's not an unpleasant chagrin). Inasmuch as I had one guide come loose at Road Atlanta, he says that we may have to resize the guide hole in the head and fit a special guide. Any experience in this arena? After all our discussion a month ago, I'm using cast iron guides. Thanks for your thoughts. Richard Taylor From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Jun 8 16:17:39 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 15:17:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! In-Reply-To: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> References: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <04d101cd45c4$8497cd60$0601a8c0@randall> > I was just planning on sending out the info about the > "unpleasant man" insisting on getting his $55 parking "fine" but > I've been thinking about it. That guy basically stole $55 from sick > kids in the hospital. That is a BAD thing, if you ask me. I agree entirely. Is extortion not against the law in AL ? -- Randall From triumphs at consolidated.net Fri Jun 8 17:21:55 2012 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:21:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! In-Reply-To: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> References: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <855D568A-8E6B-4021-9B2F-B67BB2FE8907@consolidated.net> Mark: Challenge accepted. I am sending fifty via PayPal now. Come on list. This should not be hard. For those so inclined, let's follow up with an irate phone call as well :-) Ken Gano Sent from my iPad On Jun 8, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > I know this is not within the usual scope of discussion for this list, > please bear with me. > > Go to http://www.ebay.com/drive-away-cancer - some of you may recognize > that fellow behind the wheel. And the car is obviously not a Triumph. > > Scroll down and read about the incident that occurred this afternoon > near Birmingham, Alabama. > > I was just planning on sending out the info about the > "unpleasant man" insisting on getting his $55 parking "fine" but > I've been thinking about it. That guy basically stole $55 from sick > kids in the hospital. That is a BAD thing, if you ask me. > > John is doing a GOOD thing. And those who do good things should > be rewarded tenfold. So to that end I am going to challenge all of > us on Team.Net to come up with $550 to give to him. > > If you are of like mind, and use Paypal, the address is grace at autox.team.net. > > If you want to send a check, payable to Team.Net, send it to: > > Team Net > PO Box 58333 > Salt Lake City, UT 84158. > > Make sure you tag the funds as being for John, I don't want to steal $55 > from him thinking the money was meant for the Fat Chance Garage Tool > and Beverage fund - I'm not a godless, greed driven scumbag! > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Fri Jun 8 18:11:42 2012 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:11:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <1370055804-1339165602-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-345143721-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> References: <1370055804-1339165602-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-345143721-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: The Queen would not have time for your 10,000 words. Besides that would be boring. You do just fine. JVV -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:27 AM To: Jerry Van Vlack ; Robert Deanes ; Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net ; FOT List Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question I have a limited vocabulary. Maybe 10000 words, not enough to meet the Queen for a chat. Hope it wasn't to bad Kas when I talked to you at the N|rburgring last year. ------Originalnachricht------ Von: Jerry Van Vlack An: tr4racing at googlemail.com An: Robert Deanes An: Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Cc: FOT List Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Gesendet: 8. Jun. 2012 01:58 Sometimes German into English is tough too. (grin) You do an exceptionally good job Chris. JVV -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:15 AM To: Robert Deanes ; Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jun 8 20:12:15 2012 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 22:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! In-Reply-To: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> References: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CF13FC6C3CFAC1-3E14-BC0A@webmail-m171.sysops.aol.com> And, of course, John was with us at the Mitty in Atlanta that whole week end. The old, but classy, A/H was parked right across the access road from the Beady Eye paddock. Steve Belfer's wife, Davi, is one of the original names on the boot. Count me in. I'll send a check. Bill Dentinger From rwestfall at ymail.com Fri Jun 8 21:17:51 2012 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! Message-ID: <1339211871.7889.YahooMailMobile@web162304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The check is in the mail, and no this check won't be one of the old three biggest lies story. I lost my lovely wife Linda to ovarian cancer in November of 2001and I'm proud to help the cause in her name. This "unpleasant" man is one of those people who is a member of that group I call the "sub-species" they appear to be human but they lack a soul. Russ Westfall From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Fri Jun 8 21:54:49 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:54:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Facebook Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A405E@TITAN.dwholdings.local> I have taken the liberty of starting a FoT Facebook page. I promise not to divulge private, secret or proprietary club information. If you would like to join, simply go to: http://www.facebook.com/FriendsOfTriumph If you would like to post photos, send to me and I will post. Stories, lies, etc. are welcomed. Ed Dunn '71 GT6 #757 '64 Spitfire #22 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Jun 8 22:35:35 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 22:35:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Drive Away Cancer, response from Advance Video and Security. Message-ID: I sent .. an inquiry.of sorts to Advance Security and this is the response I received. James, It is our company's policy to boot any car illegally parked on our lot. We have had issues in the past with cars that are parked in the lot illegally causing damage to the cars of our employees. We are required to collect the money because if we let one person go then we can be held liable to refund all previous violators. However, the money collected does not go to the company. All money collected from the boot is donated to the Big Oak Ranch. The Big Oak Ranch is a Christian home that takes in children that have no home, family or a place to go. Currently they house more than 100 children. The Big Oak Ranch is a great charity and I highly recommend donating to them. Here is their link http://www.bigoak.org/ . Thank you very much for visiting our website and have a pleasant weekend. God Bless. Joey Sent from my iPhone I'm not buying it which is exactly what I told Mr. Joey jim g From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jun 8 22:59:09 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:59:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Drive Away Cancer, response from Advance Video and Security. In-Reply-To: <20120609044524.D07F62C0D42@autox.team.net> References: <20120609044524.D07F62C0D42@autox.team.net> Message-ID: On John's facebook page there has been a minor firestorm over this issue. ADT Security corporate has been brought into the fray. The employee at this establishment which collected the $55 has apologized on John's facebook page (good strategy) and has claimed to have donated $500 to John's cause. Not sure if the check clears, etc., but it sounds like they may have realized the error in their ways. The local police has been asked if it's legal for private parties to "boot" cars and they don't allow it, but aren't going to do anything. Interesting, nonetheless. Tony At 11:35 PM 6/8/2012, you wrote: >I sent .. an inquiry.of sorts to Advance Security and this is the response I >received. > > > >James, > > > >It is our company's policy to boot any car illegally parked on our lot. We >have had issues in the past with cars that are parked in the lot illegally >causing damage to the cars of our employees. We are required to collect the >money because if we let one person go then we can be held liable to refund >all previous violators. However, the money collected does not go to the >company. All money collected from the boot is donated to the Big Oak Ranch. >The Big Oak Ranch is a Christian home that takes in children that have no >home, family or a place to go. Currently they house more than 100 children. >The Big Oak Ranch is a great charity and I highly recommend donating to >them. Here is their link http://www.bigoak.org/ . Thank you very much for >visiting our website and have a pleasant weekend. God Bless. > > > >Joey > > >Sent from my iPhone > > > >I'm not buying it which is exactly what I told Mr. Joey > > > >jim g >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Jun 9 07:57:26 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! Message-ID: <13c27.4c8bd054.3d04b046@aol.com> In a message dated 06/09/2012 8:42:24 AM Central Daylight Time, capecoventryracing at gmail.com writes: > <<< P.S. it may be a Healey but there's an FOT sticker on the driver's > door. >>> > Truth be told...when I was in High School (mid-1950s) it was the Austin Healey that really caught my eye. I thought it was gorgeous. I actually owned one for about three months after I got out of the Navy. But I couldn't keep it running, so I bought a Ford (also heavily influenced by the fact that Shirley and I had three children under three. Back when I was In High School, I thought that the Triumph TR3 looked a little too much like Winston Churchill to be pretty. But I was wrong. I finally bought a TR3A in 1977, and a second early TR3 in 1979. And of course, since then...down through the years the TR3 has won me over big time, and I have not strayed. Bill Dentinger From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 08:13:31 2012 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 07:13:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! In-Reply-To: <13c27.4c8bd054.3d04b046@aol.com> References: <13c27.4c8bd054.3d04b046@aol.com> Message-ID: I forgot to mention that if there's a name we can add just let us know and if there's someone who'd like a visit we can stop by anytime. On Jun 9, 2012 9:57 AM, wrote: > In a message dated 06/09/2012 8:42:24 AM Central Daylight Time, > capecoventryracing at gmail.com writes: > > > <<< P.S. it may be a Healey but there's an FOT sticker on the driver's > door. >>> > > > Truth be told...when I was in High School (mid-1950s) it was the Austin > Healey that really caught my eye. I thought it was gorgeous. I actually > owned one for about three months after I got out of the Navy. But I > couldn't keep it running, so I bought a Ford (also heavily influenced by > the fact that Shirley and I had three children under three. > > Back when I was In High School, I thought that the Triumph TR3 looked a > little too much like Winston Churchill to be pretty. But I was wrong. I > finally bought a TR3A in 1977, and a second early TR3 in 1979. And of > course, since then...down through the years the TR3 has won me over big > time, and I have not strayed. > > Bill Dentinger From pcdelux at verizon.net Sat Jun 9 08:25:08 2012 From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:25:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! References: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <002a01cd464b$ad0f8760$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0> Mark, Two donations on the way, team.net and Gracie. Also I think Grace needs a F.O.T. sticker somewhere! Bill DeWar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 5:34 PM Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! > I know this is not within the usual scope of discussion for this list, > please bear with me. > > Go to http://www.ebay.com/drive-away-cancer - some of you may recognize > that fellow behind the wheel. And the car is obviously not a Triumph. > > Scroll down and read about the incident that occurred this afternoon > near Birmingham, Alabama. > > I was just planning on sending out the info about the > "unpleasant man" insisting on getting his $55 parking "fine" but > I've been thinking about it. That guy basically stole $55 from sick > kids in the hospital. That is a BAD thing, if you ask me. > > John is doing a GOOD thing. And those who do good things should > be rewarded tenfold. So to that end I am going to challenge all of > us on Team.Net to come up with $550 to give to him. > > If you are of like mind, and use Paypal, the address is > grace at autox.team.net. > > If you want to send a check, payable to Team.Net, send it to: > > Team Net > PO Box 58333 > Salt Lake City, UT 84158. > > Make sure you tag the funds as being for John, I don't want to steal $55 > from him thinking the money was meant for the Fat Chance Garage Tool > and Beverage fund - I'm not a godless, greed driven scumbag! > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux at verizon.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 07:42:19 2012 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:42:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! In-Reply-To: <1339211871.7889.YahooMailMobile@web162304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1339211871.7889.YahooMailMobile@web162304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8368692F-DAD1-47D0-8495-3562AFB1D721@gmail.com> Thank you all so much! In case you haven't read about the car there is a nice article in Hemming's at the following link http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2012/04/24/driving-away-cancer-a-50-state- odyssey-begins/ We made it to Tennessee and gave rides all night to a sick 9 year old girl and her friends at her slumber party before she has surgery next week. We've given rides to over 500 sick children and have the names now of almost 8,000 people who've been lost to cancer, are fighting it now or have survived it in the past. family and friends of FOTers are unfortunately all over the car as are the names for a couple of non-cancer exceptions including Unle Jack. We were so touched by what happened yesterday that we gave Trinity's father (the sick little girl) all the cash we raised yesterday in PayPal donations to buy her a great birthday present and to pay some hospital bills they're having trouble paying. Thanks again Mark and Joe! You rock. P.S. it may be a Healey but there's an FOT sticker on the driver's door. Sent from my iPad On Jun 8, 2012, at 11:17 PM, Russell Westfall wrote: > The check is in the mail, and no this check won't be one of the old three biggest lies story. I lost my lovely wife Linda to ovarian cancer in November of 2001and I'm proud to help the cause in her name. This "unpleasant" man is one of those people who is a member of that group I call the "sub-species" they appear to be human but they lack a soul. > Russ Westfall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 09:02:08 2012 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 08:02:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! In-Reply-To: <002a01cd464b$ad0f8760$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0> References: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> <002a01cd464b$ad0f8760$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0> Message-ID: Grace has an FOT sticker on the driver's door, an Uncle Jack sticker on her trunk and had a VTR grill badge that we gave to our local Triumph club. She may be a Healey but she's got a lot of Triumph in her. On Jun 9, 2012 10:44 AM, "William Dewar" wrote: > Mark, Two donations on the way, team.net and Gracie. > Also I think Grace needs a F.O.T. sticker somewhere! > > Bill DeWar > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark J Bradakis" > To: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 5:34 PM > Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! > > > > I know this is not within the usual scope of discussion for this list, > > please bear with me. > > > > Go to http://www.ebay.com/drive-away-cancer - some of you may recognize > > that fellow behind the wheel. And the car is obviously not a Triumph. > > > > Scroll down and read about the incident that occurred this afternoon > > near Birmingham, Alabama. > > > > I was just planning on sending out the info about the > > "unpleasant man" insisting on getting his $55 parking "fine" but > > I've been thinking about it. That guy basically stole $55 from sick > > kids in the hospital. That is a BAD thing, if you ask me. > > > > John is doing a GOOD thing. And those who do good things should > > be rewarded tenfold. So to that end I am going to challenge all of > > us on Team.Net to come up with $550 to give to him. > > > > If you are of like mind, and use Paypal, the address is > > grace at autox.team.net. > > > > If you want to send a check, payable to Team.Net, send it to: > > > > Team Net > > PO Box 58333 > > Salt Lake City, UT 84158. > > > > Make sure you tag the funds as being for John, I don't want to steal $55 > > from him thinking the money was meant for the Fat Chance Garage Tool > > and Beverage fund - I'm not a godless, greed driven scumbag! > > > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sat Jun 9 10:28:50 2012 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Temp guage wiring Message-ID: <1339259330.37559.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I need help identifying which terminal is fed from the voltage stabilizer and which one goes to the sensor on my 1961 TR 4. Wiring code will not help as the factory loom is gone. So I need to know which is right and which is left looking at the back of the guage. Thanks, Ken Suhre From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Jun 9 10:34:49 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:34:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Temp guage wiring In-Reply-To: <1339259330.37559.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1339259330.37559.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <058901cd465d$ca7d13f0$0601a8c0@randall> > I need help identifying which terminal is fed from the > voltage stabilizer and > which one goes to the sensor on my 1961 TR 4. It makes no difference, either way will work the same. Inside the gauge is just a heater. -- Randall From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 9 10:56:18 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 12:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 INTAKE MANIFOLD AVAILABLE delete if not relevant to you. Message-ID: <8CF1477EC82C89C-19A8-37F5A@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> If anyone needs one, it could easily leave Iowa. Contact me Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat Jun 9 11:45:57 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 11:45:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] How light can you make a stock TR4 crank? Message-ID: FoT As the subject line says I'm wondering what experience the group has in lightening our stock cranks. How light can you go and what, if any negatives of lightening ( change harmonics ) ? jim g From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sat Jun 9 12:31:53 2012 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 11:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Temp guage wiring In-Reply-To: <058901cd465d$ca7d13f0$0601a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <1339266713.80027.YahooMailClassic@web111408.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks, Randall --- On Sat, 6/9/12, Randall wrote: From: Randall Subject: RE: [Fot] Temp guage wiring To: "'Ken Suhre'" , "'FOT'" Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 11:34 AM > I need help identifying which terminal is fed from the > voltage stabilizer and > which one goes to the sensor on my 1961 TR 4. It makes no difference, either way will work the same. Inside the gauge is just a heater. -- Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 9 13:00:31 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 19:00:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] How light can you make a stock TR4 crank? Message-ID: In short terms of time a new crank will be on the market for TR4. Designed by a F1 supplier. As far I know about that crank it is 2kg heavier than stock, cause of the resonance. Cheers Chris ------Originalnachricht------ Von: Jim Gray Absender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net An: 'FOT List' Betreff: [Fot] How light can you make a stock TR4 crank? Gesendet: 9. Jun. 2012 19:45 FoT As the subject line says I'm wondering what experience the group has in lightening our stock cranks. How light can you go and what, if any negatives of lightening ( change harmonics ) ? jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Sat Jun 9 13:38:37 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 12:38:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Facebook In-Reply-To: <8CF1450B746E0B7-19A8-32461@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A405E@TITAN.dwholdings.local> <8CF1450B746E0B7-19A8-32461@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A405F@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Understand Joe. Apologies if I overstepped bounds. Anyone gets their panties in a bunch, and it will be closed asap. I'm all for sharing the word on these cool cars, especially the racing aspect far and wide. If we need to keep it a secret, not a problem. Ed From: Joe Alexander [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 5:16 AM To: Edward Dunn Subject: Re: [Fot] Facebook is this, or can it be a 'closed group' where no one but FOT can use it? i like the idea, but administration can be problematic. one of the issues with the other one was that it was open to the public. a good administrator will keep it alive and people will be happy. i am not real savvy on the use of the application. looks like you have a good start. CHECK OUT: " FOLLOWERS OF THE FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH" it started out quite good, but fell by the wayside.....but mainly because of one grumpy FOT. this could be a nice feature if handled well. thanks. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Edward Dunn > To: fot > Sent: Fri, Jun 8, 2012 11:00 pm Subject: [Fot] Facebook I have taken the liberty of starting a FoT Facebook page. I promise not to divulge private, secret or proprietary club information. If you would like to join, simply go to: http://www.facebook.com/FriendsOfTriumph If you would like to post photos, send to me and I will post. Stories, lies, etc. are welcomed. Ed Dunn '71 GT6 #757 '64 Spitfire #22 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sat Jun 9 14:00:53 2012 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (Aaron Johnson) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:00:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed Message-ID: Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part with? I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! Aaron #87 HP spitfire 1500 317-517-4587 Sent from my iPhone From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jun 9 14:25:29 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:25:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! , On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson wrote: > Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part with? > > I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > > Aaron > #87 HP spitfire 1500 > 317-517-4587 > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 9 14:27:40 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 20:27:40 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: MAM - men at machines? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:25:29 To: Aaron Johnson Cc: spitfires; fot Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! , On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson wrote: > Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part with? > > I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > > Aaron > #87 HP spitfire 1500 > 317-517-4587 > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Jun 9 14:44:09 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:44:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> Jason....are you going to MO? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > , > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson wrote: > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part with? >> >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! >> >> Aaron >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 >> 317-517-4587 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jun 9 14:54:45 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:54:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> Message-ID: No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA (Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Jason....are you going to MO? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > , > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson >wrote: > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > with? > >> > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > >> > >> Aaron > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > >> 317-517-4587 > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Jun 9 14:55:41 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:55:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh.....and by the way, my guess is Mid America Motorsport ......West of St. Louis. Raced my bike there in the 80's... Roughest bump filled track I ever ran Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > , > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson wrote: > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part with? >> >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! >> >> Aaron >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 >> 317-517-4587 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 9 15:00:00 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: John Hasty Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA (Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Jason....are you going to MO? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > , > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson >wrote: > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > with? > >> > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > >> > >> Aaron > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > >> 317-517-4587 > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 9 15:04:04 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 21:04:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend Message-ID: Anybody going to Spa ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jun 9 15:13:27 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:13:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: <20120609211007.75BD42D024A@autox.team.net> References: <20120609211007.75BD42D024A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: In my dreams... You lucky S.O.B. do you know that one? On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:04 PM, wrote: > Anybody going to Spa ;-) > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 9 15:13:32 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> References: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> John Nikas and I were at the SPAs last week. The American Spa known as Hot Springs. I am sure it's not the same. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing Cc: fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend Anybody going to Spa ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 9 15:14:23 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 21:14:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211007.75BD42D024A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: sOB- sand on boobs? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:13:27 To: Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend In my dreams... You lucky S.O.B. do you know that one? On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:04 PM, wrote: > Anybody going to Spa ;-) > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jun 9 15:16:09 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:16:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: <915014554-1339276464-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-604305916-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> References: <20120609211007.75BD42D024A@autox.team.net> <915014554-1339276464-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-604305916-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: You got it on the first try! On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:14 PM, wrote: > ** > sOB- sand on boobs? > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > ------------------------------ > *From: * Jason Ostrowski > *Date: *Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:13:27 -0500 > *To: * > *Cc: * > *Subject: *Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > In my dreams... You lucky S.O.B. > do you know that one? > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:04 PM, wrote: > >> Anybody going to Spa ;-) >> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 15:26:00 2012 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:26:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> References: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I hope not. There was no track and the majority of cars leaked oil. On Jun 9, 2012 5:14 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > John Nikas and I were at the SPAs last week. The American Spa known as Hot > Springs. I am sure it's not the same. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tr4racing > Cc: fot > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:11 pm > Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > > Anybody going to Spa ;-) > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 9 15:30:18 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 21:30:18 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Keen on flying through Eau Rouge. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: John Nikas Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:26:00 To: Joe Alexander Cc: ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend I hope not. There was no track and the majority of cars leaked oil. On Jun 9, 2012 5:14 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > John Nikas and I were at the SPAs last week. The American Spa known as Hot > Springs. I am sure it's not the same. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tr4racing > Cc: fot > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:11 pm > Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > > Anybody going to Spa ;-) > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jun 9 15:38:22 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:38:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: <20120609212940.EAD9A2D02A2@autox.team.net> References: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <20120609212940.EAD9A2D02A2@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Love to see the camera record the compression of your rear suspenssion through Eau Rouge. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM, wrote: > Keen on flying through Eau Rouge. > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Nikas > Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:26:00 > To: Joe Alexander > Cc: ; > Subject: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > I hope not. There was no track and the majority of cars leaked oil. > On Jun 9, 2012 5:14 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > > > John Nikas and I were at the SPAs last week. The American Spa known as > Hot > > Springs. I am sure it's not the same. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > A. R. E. > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tr4racing > > Cc: fot > > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:11 pm > > Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > > > > > Anybody going to Spa ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Sat Jun 9 15:40:27 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:40:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA Message-ID: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com> Friends of Triumph: Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well represented. Donny Sopp Spitfire Bill Rampe Spitfire Steve Groh Spitfire Russ Moore Spitfire Richard Brown Spitfire Mark Wheatley TR-4 Jeff Clark GT-6 Vince Garrett GT-6+ Plus late entries. In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will be follow up reports. If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself to make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend with more seat time than you can imagine. ".bet you can't do it just once!" Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 9 15:42:02 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 21:42:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <20120609212940.EAD9A2D02A2@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I wouldn't dare to mount the camera at this position in a race. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:38:22 To: Cc: John Nikas; Joe Alexander; Subject: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend Love to see the camera record the compression of your rear suspenssion through Eau Rouge. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM, wrote: > Keen on flying through Eau Rouge. > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Nikas > Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:26:00 > To: Joe Alexander > Cc: ; > Subject: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > I hope not. There was no track and the majority of cars leaked oil. > On Jun 9, 2012 5:14 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > > > John Nikas and I were at the SPAs last week. The American Spa known as > Hot > > Springs. I am sure it's not the same. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > A. R. E. > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tr4racing > > Cc: fot > > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:11 pm > > Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > > > > > Anybody going to Spa ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jun 9 15:54:31 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:54:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: <76335658-1339278121-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-390508717-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> References: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <20120609212940.EAD9A2D02A2@autox.team.net> <76335658-1339278121-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-390508717-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: Smart! I imagine It would be safe to say it would be at the THE MAXIMUM. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:42 PM, wrote: > ** > I wouldn't dare to mount the camera at this position in a race. > > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > ------------------------------ > *From: * Jason Ostrowski > *Date: *Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:38:22 -0500 > *To: * > *Cc: *John Nikas; Joe Alexander< > n197tr4 at cs.com>; > *Subject: *Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > Love to see the camera record the compression of your rear suspenssion > through Eau Rouge. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM, wrote: > >> Keen on flying through Eau Rouge. >> >> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Nikas >> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:26:00 >> To: Joe Alexander >> Cc: ; >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend >> >> I hope not. There was no track and the majority of cars leaked oil. >> On Jun 9, 2012 5:14 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: >> >> > John Nikas and I were at the SPAs last week. The American Spa known as >> Hot >> > Springs. I am sure it's not the same. >> > >> > >> > Joe Alexander >> > A. R. E. >> > 645 1st Street >> > Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> > 319.464.4711 (cell) >> > n197tr4 at cs.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: tr4racing >> > Cc: fot >> > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:11 pm >> > Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend >> > >> > >> > Anybody going to Spa ;-) >> > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 9 16:01:10 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 22:01:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <20120609212940.EAD9A2D02A2@autox.team.net> <76335658-1339278121-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-390508717-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: I could purchase another video chanel for my video system. That would blend in a third view. These finger cameras are then easy to mount. But would cost too much I think. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:54:31 To: Cc: John Nikas; Joe Alexander; Subject: Re: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend Smart! I imagine It would be safe to say it would be at the THE MAXIMUM. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:42 PM, wrote: > ** > I wouldn't dare to mount the camera at this position in a race. > > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > ------------------------------ > *From: * Jason Ostrowski > *Date: *Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:38:22 -0500 > *To: * > *Cc: *John Nikas; Joe Alexander< > n197tr4 at cs.com>; > *Subject: *Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > Love to see the camera record the compression of your rear suspenssion > through Eau Rouge. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM, wrote: > >> Keen on flying through Eau Rouge. >> >> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Nikas >> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:26:00 >> To: Joe Alexander >> Cc: ; >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend >> >> I hope not. There was no track and the majority of cars leaked oil. >> On Jun 9, 2012 5:14 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: >> >> > John Nikas and I were at the SPAs last week. The American Spa known as >> Hot >> > Springs. I am sure it's not the same. >> > >> > >> > Joe Alexander >> > A. R. E. >> > 645 1st Street >> > Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> > 319.464.4711 (cell) >> > n197tr4 at cs.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: tr4racing >> > Cc: fot >> > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:11 pm >> > Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend >> > >> > >> > Anybody going to Spa ;-) >> > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 9 16:01:28 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 18:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA now Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page In-Reply-To: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com> References: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CF14A28DF8F9A3-19A8-3F209@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Russ, this one of the best North American events, as we all know. Thanks for the heads up on the entries. Ed Dunn has volunteered to administer a FACEBOOK 'PAGE' to post pictures and adventures of the FOT. This and Black Hawk Farms "THE Black Hawk Classic" would be a great start to showcasing our Triumphs. The SPA would work well, too. The current format of a FACEBOOK PAGE seems to do a nice job of displaying pictures. Dave Riddle tried this once and I didnt support him like I should have. My apologies to Dave. Get those digital cameras out and send pics and videos to ED DUNN. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing To: fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:42 pm Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA Friends of Triumph: Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well represented. Donny Sopp Spitfire Bill Rampe Spitfire Steve Groh Spitfire Russ Moore Spitfire Richard Brown Spitfire Mark Wheatley TR-4 Jeff Clark GT-6 Vince Garrett GT-6+ Plus late entries. In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will be follow up reports. If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself to make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend with more seat time than you can imagine. ".bet you can't do it just once!" Russ Moore Spitfire #49 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jun 9 16:20:53 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:20:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA now Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page In-Reply-To: <8CF14A28DF8F9A3-19A8-3F209@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> References: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com> <8CF14A28DF8F9A3-19A8-3F209@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <09AE7627-E23E-4261-BBFC-429D01396C8F@austin.rr.com> I think the main concern with a Facebook page was posting/reposting stuff that Fot members never intended to share with the general public. With friends of friends we have to be careful. Can we make the purpose of the Facebook page to post photos from events as its main purpose? That would be a major plus to the FoT at large, and we all know we can't send pictures through the list. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Russ, this one of the best North American events, as we all know. Thanks for > the heads up on the entries. > > Ed Dunn has volunteered to administer a FACEBOOK 'PAGE' to post pictures and > adventures of the FOT. This and Black Hawk Farms "THE Black Hawk Classic" > would be a great start to showcasing our Triumphs. The SPA would work well, > too. > > The current format of a FACEBOOK PAGE seems to do a nice job of displaying > pictures. > > Dave Riddle tried this once and I didnt support him like I should have. My > apologies to Dave. > > Get those digital cameras out and send pics and videos to ED DUNN. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Spitfire Racing > To: fot > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:42 pm > Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA > > > Friends of Triumph: > > > > Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well > represented. > > Donny Sopp Spitfire > > Bill Rampe Spitfire > > Steve Groh Spitfire > > Russ Moore Spitfire > > Richard Brown Spitfire > > Mark Wheatley TR-4 > > Jeff Clark GT-6 > > Vince Garrett GT-6+ > > Plus late entries. > > > > In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just > inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will be > follow up reports. > > If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself to > make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend > with more seat time than you can imagine. > > > > ".bet you can't do it just once!" > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jun 9 16:37:37 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:37:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA now Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page In-Reply-To: <09AE7627-E23E-4261-BBFC-429D01396C8F@austin.rr.com> References: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com> <8CF14A28DF8F9A3-19A8-3F209@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <09AE7627-E23E-4261-BBFC-429D01396C8F@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: Right! Like this would be for stuff that could be seen by anyone from the edge of a race track or in a paddock. But FOR those that could not make it to the event. That sounds like it could be cool. P.S. I admit.... I've never once logged on to Facebook. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > I think the main concern with a Facebook page was posting/reposting stuff > that > Fot members never intended to share with the general public. With friends > of > friends we have to be careful. Can we make the purpose of the Facebook > page to > post photos from events as its main purpose? That would be a major plus to > the > FoT at large, and we all know we can't send pictures through the list. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > > Russ, this one of the best North American events, as we all know. Thanks > for > > the heads up on the entries. > > > > Ed Dunn has volunteered to administer a FACEBOOK 'PAGE' to post pictures > and > > adventures of the FOT. This and Black Hawk Farms "THE Black Hawk > Classic" > > would be a great start to showcasing our Triumphs. The SPA would work > well, > > too. > > > > The current format of a FACEBOOK PAGE seems to do a nice job of > displaying > > pictures. > > > > Dave Riddle tried this once and I didnt support him like I should have. > My > > apologies to Dave. > > > > Get those digital cameras out and send pics and videos to ED DUNN. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > A. R. E. > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Spitfire Racing > > To: fot > > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:42 pm > > Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA > > > > > > Friends of Triumph: > > > > > > > > Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well > > represented. > > > > Donny Sopp Spitfire > > > > Bill Rampe Spitfire > > > > Steve Groh Spitfire > > > > Russ Moore Spitfire > > > > Richard Brown Spitfire > > > > Mark Wheatley TR-4 > > > > Jeff Clark GT-6 > > > > Vince Garrett GT-6+ > > > > Plus late entries. > > > > > > > > In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just > > inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will > be > > follow up reports. > > > > If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself > to > > make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend > > with more seat time than you can imagine. > > > > > > > > ".bet you can't do it just once!" > > > > > > > > Russ Moore > > > > Spitfire #49 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 9 16:50:36 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 18:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page In-Reply-To: <09AE7627-E23E-4261-BBFC-429D01396C8F@austin.rr.com> References: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com> <8CF14A28DF8F9A3-19A8-3F209@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <09AE7627-E23E-4261-BBFC-429D01396C8F@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <8CF14A96B5AA2F0-19A8-3FC11@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Bob, Yes, Ed and I have been talking about the history of this and he is sensitive to the issues. Events can and will be a main focus.....makes sense. Ed will be the administrator of the content. Postings of any concern can be edited or deleted. If it feels good, it will grow and we will learn as we go. Looking at the current format of a FACEBOOK PAGE, it looks quite good and potentially a great asset to us. I'd say we get behind it and enjoy the benefits. Tying the FOT at work together, with pictures of us at events overcomes a lot of the geography we deal with. For instance, the guys in Colorado are quite photogenic. Thanks for jumping in with a comment, Bob. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer To: Joe Alexander Cc: Spitfire_Racing ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 5:20 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA now Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page I think the main concern with a Facebook page was posting/reposting stuff that Fot members never intended to share with the general public. With friends of friends we have to be careful. Can we make the purpose of the Facebook page to post photos from events as its main purpose? That would be a major plus to the FoT at large, and we all know we can't send pictures through the list. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Russ, this one of the best North American events, as we all know. Thanks for > the heads up on the entries. > > Ed Dunn has volunteered to administer a FACEBOOK 'PAGE' to post pictures and > adventures of the FOT. This and Black Hawk Farms "THE Black Hawk Classic" > would be a great start to showcasing our Triumphs. The SPA would work well, > too. > > The current format of a FACEBOOK PAGE seems to do a nice job of displaying > pictures. > > Dave Riddle tried this once and I didnt support him like I should have. My > apologies to Dave. > > Get those digital cameras out and send pics and videos to ED DUNN. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Spitfire Racing > To: fot > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:42 pm > Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA > > > Friends of Triumph: > > > > Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well > represented. > > Donny Sopp Spitfire > > Bill Rampe Spitfire > > Steve Groh Spitfire > > Russ Moore Spitfire > > Richard Brown Spitfire > > Mark Wheatley TR-4 > > Jeff Clark GT-6 > > Vince Garrett GT-6+ > > Plus late entries. > > > > In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just > inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will be > follow up reports. > > If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself to > make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend > with more seat time than you can imagine. > > > > ".bet you can't do it just once!" > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat Jun 9 16:56:16 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (PAUL MACDONALD) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA In-Reply-To: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1339282576.11946.YahooMailClassic@web88603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The following will also be there Peter Bulkowski TR8 Benoit Laflamme TR8 --- On Sat, 6/9/12, Spitfire Racing wrote: From: Spitfire Racing Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 9:40 PM Friends of Triumph: Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well represented. Donny Sopp Spitfire Bill Rampe Spitfire Steve Groh Spitfire Russ Moore Spitfire Richard Brown Spitfire Mark Wheatley TR-4 Jeff Clark GT-6 Vince Garrett GT-6+ Plus late entries. In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will be follow up reports. If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself to make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend with more seat time than you can imagine. ".bet you can't do it just once!" Russ Moore Spitfire #49 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jun 9 17:15:00 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:15:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <4FD3D8F4.7090403@bradakis.com> wtf ? mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jun 9 18:19:50 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 19:19:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I'll be there. Tony Drews At 04:00 PM 6/9/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. > >Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. > >That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jason Ostrowski >To: John Hasty >Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson >; fot >Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm >Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed > > >No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA >(Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car >With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. > > > >On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > > > Jason....are you going to MO? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > > wrote: > > > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > > , > > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson > >wrote: > > > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > > with? > > >> > > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > > >> > > >> Aaron > > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > > >> 317-517-4587 > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> fot at autox.team.net > > >> > > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > > >> > > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > >> Unsubscribe: > > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sat Jun 9 19:02:13 2012 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 18:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: <20120610001909.E8A662D0286@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1339290133.73548.YahooMailClassic@web111413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Me too! TR 4 #791. First time in a TR since 1964. People that know me know what else I have been having fun with since 1993. Ken Suhre --- On Sat, 6/9/12, Tony Drews wrote: From: Tony Drews Subject: Re: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL To: "Joe Alexander" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 7:19 PM I'll be there. Tony Drews At 04:00 PM 6/9/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. > >Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. > >That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jason Ostrowski >To: John Hasty >Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson >; fot >Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm >Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed > > >No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA >(Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car >With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. > > > >On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > > > Jason....are you going to MO? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > > wrote: > > > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > > , > > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson > >wrote: > > > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > > with? > > >> > > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > > >> > > >> Aaron > > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > > >> 317-517-4587 > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> fot at autox.team.net > > >> > > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > > >> > > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > >> Unsubscribe: > > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 9 19:14:44 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 21:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: <1339290133.73548.YahooMailClassic@web111413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1339290133.73548.YahooMailClassic@web111413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CF14BD8DEA8B91-19A8-42609@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> ok....this is very good. Bill, Jason, Sean, Ken, Tony....likely more. Bob? Scott? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Ken Suhre To: Joe Alexander ; Tony Drews Cc: fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:03 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Me too! TR 4 #791. First time in a TR since 1964. People that know me know what else I have been having fun with since 1993. Ken Suhre --- On Sat, 6/9/12, Tony Drews wrote: From: Tony Drews Subject: Re: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL To: "Joe Alexander" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 7:19 PM I'll be there. Tony Drews At 04:00 PM 6/9/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. > >Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. > >That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jason Ostrowski >To: John Hasty >Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson >; fot >Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm >Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed > > >No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA >(Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car >With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. > > > >On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > > > Jason....are you going to MO? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > > wrote: > > > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > > , > > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson > >wrote: > > > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > > with? > > >> > > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > > >> > > >> Aaron > > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > > >> 317-517-4587 > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> fot at autox.team.net > > >> > > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > > >> > > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > >> Unsubscribe: > > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sat Jun 9 19:19:12 2012 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (Aaron Johnson) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 20:19:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <286FCE57-E0D5-45CB-AECF-0BE7102C7452@comcast.net> Mid-America Motorplex in pacific junction Iowa. Race track just outside of Omaha. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2012, at 3:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > , > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson wrote: > Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part with? > > I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > > Aaron > #87 HP spitfire 1500 > 317-517-4587 > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Jun 9 20:49:51 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 22:49:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page In-Reply-To: <8CF14A96B5AA2F0-19A8-3FC11@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> References: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com>, <8CF14A28DF8F9A3-19A8-3F209@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com>, <09AE7627-E23E-4261-BBFC-429D01396C8F@austin.rr.com>, <8CF14A96B5AA2F0-19A8-3FC11@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Gosh, I have avoided facebook like the plague so far. Don't tell me it's my old car hobby that is going to drag me kicking and screaming into this new fangled facebook stuff......:) Marty ---------------------------------------- > To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 18:50:36 -0400 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page > > Bob, > > Yes, Ed and I have been talking about the history of this and he is sensitive > to the issues. > > Events can and will be a main focus.....makes sense. > > Ed will be the administrator of the content. Postings of any concern can be > edited or deleted. > > If it feels good, it will grow and we will learn as we go. > > Looking at the current format of a FACEBOOK PAGE, it looks quite good and > potentially a great asset to us. > > I'd say we get behind it and enjoy the benefits. Tying the FOT at work > together, with pictures of us at events overcomes a lot of the geography we > deal with. > > For instance, the guys in Colorado are quite photogenic. > > Thanks for jumping in with a comment, Bob. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer > To: Joe Alexander > Cc: Spitfire_Racing ; fot > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 5:20 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA now Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook > Page > > > I think the main concern with a Facebook page was posting/reposting stuff that > Fot members never intended to share with the general public. With friends of > friends we have to be careful. Can we make the purpose of the Facebook page to > post photos from events as its main purpose? That would be a major plus to the > FoT at large, and we all know we can't send pictures through the list. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > > Russ, this one of the best North American events, as we all know. Thanks > for > > the heads up on the entries. > > > > Ed Dunn has volunteered to administer a FACEBOOK 'PAGE' to post pictures > and > > adventures of the FOT. This and Black Hawk Farms "THE Black Hawk Classic" > > would be a great start to showcasing our Triumphs. The SPA would work > well, > > too. > > > > The current format of a FACEBOOK PAGE seems to do a nice job of displaying > > pictures. > > > > Dave Riddle tried this once and I didnt support him like I should have. My > > apologies to Dave. > > > > Get those digital cameras out and send pics and videos to ED DUNN. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > A. R. E. > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Spitfire Racing > > To: fot > > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:42 pm > > Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA > > > > > > Friends of Triumph: > > > > > > > > Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well > > represented. > > > > Donny Sopp Spitfire > > > > Bill Rampe Spitfire > > > > Steve Groh Spitfire > > > > Russ Moore Spitfire > > > > Richard Brown Spitfire > > > > Mark Wheatley TR-4 > > > > Jeff Clark GT-6 > > > > Vince Garrett GT-6+ > > > > Plus late entries. > > > > > > > > In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just > > inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will > be > > follow up reports. > > > > If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself > to > > make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend > > with more seat time than you can imagine. > > > > > > > > ".bet you can't do it just once!" > > > > > > > > Russ Moore > > > > Spitfire #49 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From garygret at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 9 21:39:03 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 20:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 oil filter bolt Message-ID: <1339299543.10659.YahooMailRC@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anyone know the thread size of the long bolt that holds the TR6 oil filter canister or spin-on adapter, or better yet have one they could spare? Mine somehow disappeared during an overly-long rebuild project, and neither a 7/16-14 or 7/16-20 seems to thread in nicely. (Sure hope my block threads aren't trashed, since the engine's back in the car.) Moss/TRF/VB show the bolt as NLA. Thanks, Gary Schneider From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Jun 10 05:14:52 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 07:14:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 oil filter bolt References: <1339299543.10659.YahooMailRC@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Gary, I have a spare or two. Do you need the whole canister setup? Let me know where to send it. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Schneider" To: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 11:39 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 oil filter bolt > Anyone know the thread size of the long bolt that holds the TR6 oil filter > canister or spin-on adapter, or better yet have one they could spare? Mine > somehow disappeared during an overly-long rebuild project, and neither a > 7/16-14 > or 7/16-20 seems to thread in nicely. (Sure hope my block threads aren't > trashed, since the engine's back in the car.) Moss/TRF/VB show the bolt as > NLA. > > Thanks, > Gary Schneider > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Sun Jun 10 06:39:32 2012 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 08:39:32 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA Message-ID: <6118754.1339331972682.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> It is a wonderfully great track to run! And a nice friendly organization as well. If you cant scare yourself at Mosport you just have icewater for blood. I'm thrilled that the Ghetto is being exported to Canada but we should worry a little about that many Spitfires all in one place. My favorite line from Mike Rosen, past President of VARAC, when Sunday was around 60 degF after Saturday had been nearly 90; "yesterday was summer" Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Spitfire Racing >Sent: Jun 9, 2012 5:40 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA > >Friends of Triumph: > > > >Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well >represented. > >Donny Sopp Spitfire > >Bill Rampe Spitfire > >Steve Groh Spitfire > >Russ Moore Spitfire > >Richard Brown Spitfire > >Mark Wheatley TR-4 > >Jeff Clark GT-6 > >Vince Garrett GT-6+ > >Plus late entries. > > > >In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just >inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will be >follow up reports. > >If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself to >make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend >with more seat time than you can imagine. > > > >".bet you can't do it just once!" > > > >Russ Moore > >Spitfire #49 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net From igofaster at att.net Sun Jun 10 08:43:12 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 07:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA now Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page Message-ID: <1339339392.72742.YahooMailRC@web180810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> there is a Spitfire FB page I'm on, sometimes... I don't see the big deal... what is there 300 of us guys and gals around the world TRYING to race these cars and keep the Marque alive??? my freshman experience at the Mitty found 3 guys that have GT6's and want to race (I invited 3 to the FoT and I think all three came on board).....how can they get to the perceived level if we are not somewhat open about what we do and what we try to do with our cars? The emotion of the Triumph runs very very deep with all of us or we wouldn't be here trying to help each other, all of us, get on the track and hope for that one weekend when all is good in the drivers seat... and I don't mean getting a thumbs up from a flat tow... There are several young kids on the SPITFIRE FB page and it's kind of encouraging that maybe somebody besides us ole farts... can keep excited about the marque. I've got 4 grown kids and only one is excited about our street TR6 when I decide to let him have it.... face it, technology is changing and I think FB is just another way like GrassRoots MotorSports and Classic MotorSports is being used to bring in new people to the vintage Triumph Marque... heck... if you know me, you know I'm a blabber mouth and I'll share anything about my cars to anybody who will stop long enough to listen to me... a couple of weeks ago this couple was walking by my house and the garage was open to view with the GT6 in plain view.. this guys walks by, then asks about the car... turns out he's an old F18 Hornet pilot who flew with one of my best friends in the Saints squadron... he has a GT6 he and his dad wrenched on for a few years now he's ready to start do the same with his boys... we are somewhat all compelled to pass it along like my friends Bob and Andrew Kramer (father and son team).. Gregg and Bob Blake (father and son team) ... and even fellow GT6 racer Jason Ostrowski whom I met at the Mitty with his father who also raced GT6's ... Point is, I'm excited about the cars even though I've been through the emotional gamut on the highest highs and lowest lows as far as racing the Triumph is concerned... it's like gay marriage, I think they should be allowed to be just as miserable as the rest of us... uh,,,, welll,,,, sorry tooo much coffee this morning.... I take that back, but I think you could see the point is we should be an open community in some fashion to help other people find us and welcome them into our community... just saying... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 10 13:58:38 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 15:58:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Updated: Triumphs at Mosport, CA Message-ID: <001801cd4743$6d4b3a40$47e1aec0$@rr.com> Friends of Triumph: I have been given some additional information with even more Triumphs running at Mosport! At least two of the cars have GoPro cameras installed and I am sure there will be someone with a digital camera. Donny Sopp Spitfire Bill Rampe Spitfire Steve Groh Spitfire Russ Moore Spitfire Richard Brown Spitfire Mark Wheatley TR-4 Mike DeWeerd TR-4 Jeff Clark GT-6 Vince Garrett GT-6+ Peter Bulkowski TR8 Benoit Laflamme TR8 Plus late entries. In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will be follow up reports. If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself to make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend with more seat time than you can imagine. ".bet you can't do it just once!" Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sun Jun 10 20:17:45 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:17:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000801cd4778$63cfc1e0$2b6f45a0$@com> Sadly, I don't think Ryan and I will make the race. I'm still putting the engine back together after just getting the parts back from the machine shop. I'm thinking of coming down on Saturday with the TR5 to visit. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 4:00 PM To: jason at multivintage.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net; fpspitfire at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: John Hasty Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA (Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Jason....are you going to MO? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > , > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson >wrote: > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > with? > >> > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > >> > >> Aaron > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > >> 317-517-4587 > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From rjohns at woh.rr.com Sun Jun 10 21:25:24 2012 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:25:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Question for Chris about Spa? Message-ID: <7637F4CFC03B4D20A39270E0C00C0A2A@Bucktailus> Chris, What course do you Vintage sports car guys use at Spa? The GP course or the original course? Bob Johns From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jun 10 22:43:23 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 04:43:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: <000801cd4778$63cfc1e0$2b6f45a0$@com> References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <000801cd4778$63cfc1e0$2b6f45a0$@com> Message-ID: Don't give up. You can do it! A day has 24 hours if wifes doesn't disturb. Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: "Tim Murphy" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:17:45 To: 'Joe Alexander'; ; Cc: ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Sadly, I don't think Ryan and I will make the race. I'm still putting the engine back together after just getting the parts back from the machine shop. I'm thinking of coming down on Saturday with the TR5 to visit. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 4:00 PM To: jason at multivintage.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net; fpspitfire at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: John Hasty Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA (Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Jason....are you going to MO? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > , > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson >wrote: > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > with? > >> > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > >> > >> Aaron > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > >> 317-517-4587 > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jun 10 23:43:45 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 05:43:45 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Question for Chris about Spa? In-Reply-To: <7637F4CFC03B4D20A39270E0C00C0A2A@Bucktailus> References: <7637F4CFC03B4D20A39270E0C00C0A2A@Bucktailus> Message-ID: We run the GP version. The original track was taken off the public road course about 10 years ago. A good thing as the public roads in Belgium are not made for racing. Too many pot holes. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: "Robert Johns" Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:25:24 To: FOT team; MadMarx Subject: Question for Chris about Spa? Chris, What course do you Vintage sports car guys use at Spa? The GP course or the original course? Bob Johns From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 11 00:54:01 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 08:54:01 +0200 Subject: [Fot] The BeachBoys In-Reply-To: <20120611054322.2A2BF2D0385@autox.team.net> References: <7637F4CFC03B4D20A39270E0C00C0A2A@Bucktailus> <20120611054322.2A2BF2D0385@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000801cd479e$fc92dae0$f5b890a0$@com> America was us always ahead with having the BeachBoys. It took 50+years to build our own BeachBoys group ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltMGeUNA6lE Have phun! Chris From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 11 04:04:13 2012 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 03:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: <000801cd4778$63cfc1e0$2b6f45a0$@com> References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <000801cd4778$63cfc1e0$2b6f45a0$@com> Message-ID: <1339409053.69188.YahooMailNeo@web184412.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I plan to be there, but without car ... I just pulled the plug on the project ... many thanks to Scott Barr for trying to help me get there with the loan of an engine & tranny. Just too many "what ifs" etc ... my car will make the fall fest at RA for sure ... See you all there. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire ________________________________ From: Tim Murphy To: 'Joe Alexander' ; jason at multivintage.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net; fpspitfire at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Sadly, I don't think Ryan and I will make the race. I'm still putting the engine back together after just getting the parts back from the machine shop. I'm thinking of coming down on Saturday with the TR5 to visit. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 4:00 PM To: jason at multivintage.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net; fpspitfire at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: John Hasty Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA (Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Jason....are you going to MO? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > , > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson >wrote: > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > with? > >> > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > >> > >> Aaron > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > >> 317-517-4587 > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tstrange at sbcglobal.net From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 11 07:32:56 2012 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 06:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: <000801cd4778$63cfc1e0$2b6f45a0$@com> References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <000801cd4778$63cfc1e0$2b6f45a0$@com> Message-ID: <1339421576.97609.YahooMailNeo@web184408.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> All, Assuming I can get a membership card, and get in .... I'll hopefully be bringing an engine down for Ernie .. I'll be there to help with wrenching and beer drinking if anyone needs help (particularly with the beer drinking))) If there are any parts or pieces I can bring for anyone, let me know. I may run up to see John Berget fri. or sat. to look at tires also. Let me know if there is anything I can help with. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire ________________________________ From: Tim Murphy To: 'Joe Alexander' ; jason at multivintage.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net; fpspitfire at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Sadly, I don't think Ryan and I will make the race. I'm still putting the engine back together after just getting the parts back from the machine shop. I'm thinking of coming down on Saturday with the TR5 to visit. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 4:00 PM To: jason at multivintage.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net; fpspitfire at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: John Hasty Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA (Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Jason....are you going to MO? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > , > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson >wrote: > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > with? > >> > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > >> > >> Aaron > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > >> 317-517-4587 > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tstrange at sbcglobal.net From riverside at southslope.net Mon Jun 11 08:20:42 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:20:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B2E384A60FF4A499CB6E32AE61A9586@rileyPC> That was MAR Mid America Raceway - currently in the process of being turned into a residential development. I took a last walk around and took a bunch of pics about 4 years ago. My best memories of racing my TR goddam 3 were at that track. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 3:55 PM To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson ; fot Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed Oh.....and by the way, my guess is Mid America Motorsport ......West of St. Louis. Raced my bike there in the 80's... Roughest bump filled track I ever ran Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > , > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson wrote: > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part >> with? >> >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! >> >> Aaron >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 >> 317-517-4587 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2433/5058 - Release Date: 06/09/12 From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon Jun 11 10:23:18 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:23:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Glove recomendation / reviews Message-ID: Looking for a , excuse me, "hands on", recommendation on new racing gloves. My 2 year old Bell gloves, model no longer in production, started to rapidly break down over the course of a weekend. They fit well and are comfortable but it looks like I can't replace them. With a two year lifespan, not sure if I want to anyway. I had a pair of G-Force for years and might go back to them but thought I'd ask around. Any recommendations? No speed shops around here any more, I can't do a test fitting. I was also considering at K1 and K1 pro gloves, anyone used them? thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jun 11 10:39:38 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:39:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The BeachBoys References: <7637F4CFC03B4D20A39270E0C00C0A2A@Bucktailus><20120611054322.2A2BF2D0385@autox.team.net> <000801cd479e$fc92dae0$f5b890a0$@com> Message-ID: <6F08A5A8D13C467A9E0AD522996CDA61@Charly> Actually looks more like Beach Party Bingo or one of those Annette and Frankie films, but with a little Molly Hatchett throw in. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT team'" Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 11:54 PM Subject: [Fot] The BeachBoys > America was us always ahead with having the BeachBoys. > It took 50+years to build our own BeachBoys group ;-) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltMGeUNA6lE > > Have phun! > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Jun 11 11:33:07 2012 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:33:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC: Anyone headed south from the Chicago area? Message-ID: <8A43E49B-1969-454A-9AF1-57D0209DB3BF@141.com> Hi gang! I won some dishes from a seller on eBay who said she would ship. Turns out she won't, but we really want the dishes, so I am trying to figure out getting them to central Kentucky. I tried several pack and ship places, but they are exorbitantly expensive. :( Anyone going through the Chicago area headed south, who would be willing to deal with two large, heavy boxes of dishes? I am happy to help with gas/whatever. Thank you! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) From horizonracing at msn.com Mon Jun 11 11:54:50 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:54:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Glove recomendation / reviews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use Stand 21. > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: harmug at us.ibm.com > Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:23:18 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] Glove recomendation / reviews > > Looking for a , excuse me, "hands on", recommendation on new racing gloves. > My 2 year old Bell gloves, model no longer in production, started to > rapidly break down over the course of a weekend. They fit well and are > comfortable but it looks like I can't replace them. With a two year > lifespan, not sure if I want to anyway. I had a pair of G-Force for years > and might go back to them but thought I'd ask around. Any recommendations? > No speed shops around here any more, I can't do a test fitting. I was also > considering at K1 and K1 pro gloves, anyone used them? > > thanks > mike > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jun 11 12:09:22 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:09:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC: Anyone headed south from the Chicago area? In-Reply-To: <8A43E49B-1969-454A-9AF1-57D0209DB3BF@141.com> References: <8A43E49B-1969-454A-9AF1-57D0209DB3BF@141.com> Message-ID: Susan: I own a Antiques and Vintage Toy Store in Brookfield Il (10 miles west of Chicago) I have stated before to FoT... I can serve a a drop point/shipping hub for anyone in need. No Charge. Figure out any easy plan to get them to my store, and I'll make sure they reach you safely. I'm out and about the Chicago land area daily most mornings before 11 am (then I'm in the store all day 11-7.) I could probably pick them up from the lady so long as its not a major drive or unrealistically complicated. I'm happy to help you out. (Free 'cause you drive the # 42) Just love being of help to my fellow Triumph buddy's... Its the Friendly Ghost way. I'm sure we can figure something easy out. Store # (708) 387-9417 Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > Hi gang! > > I won some dishes from a seller on eBay who said she would ship. Turns out > she > won't, but we really want the dishes, so I am trying to figure out getting > them to central Kentucky. I tried several pack and ship places, but they > are > exorbitantly expensive. :( > > Anyone going through the Chicago area headed south, who would be willing to > deal with two large, heavy boxes of dishes? I am happy to help with > gas/whatever. > > Thank you! > > Keep Triumphing, > > Susan :) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jun 11 12:12:02 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:12:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC: Anyone headed south from the Chicago area? In-Reply-To: References: <8A43E49B-1969-454A-9AF1-57D0209DB3BF@141.com> Message-ID: Whoops! Wrong number! My bad. Its 708-387-0890 Jason On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Susan: > I own a Antiques and Vintage Toy Store in Brookfield Il (10 miles west of > Chicago) > > I have stated before to FoT... I can serve a a drop point/shipping hub for > anyone in need. No Charge. > Figure out any easy plan to get them to my store, and I'll make sure they > reach you safely. > I'm out and about the Chicago land area daily most mornings before 11 am > (then I'm in the store all day 11-7.) > I could probably pick them up from the lady so long as its not a major > drive or unrealistically complicated. > > I'm happy to help you out. (Free 'cause you drive the # 42) > Just love being of help to my fellow Triumph buddy's... Its the Friendly > Ghost way. > I'm sure we can figure something easy out. > Store # (708) 387-9417 > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > >> Hi gang! >> >> I won some dishes from a seller on eBay who said she would ship. Turns >> out she >> won't, but we really want the dishes, so I am trying to figure out getting >> them to central Kentucky. I tried several pack and ship places, but they >> are >> exorbitantly expensive. :( >> >> Anyone going through the Chicago area headed south, who would be willing >> to >> deal with two large, heavy boxes of dishes? I am happy to help with >> gas/whatever. >> >> Thank you! >> >> Keep Triumphing, >> >> Susan :) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Mon Jun 11 11:06:04 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 18:06:04 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Glove recomendation / reviews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66FE3565-D465-4B73-B9DC-DB7CFA821F42@virgin.net> Stand 21 makes the best - not sure if you can get them Over there ?? If not I can put you in touch Tony Sent from my iPhone On 11 Jun 2012, at 17:23, George Harmuth wrote: > Looking for a , excuse me, "hands on", recommendation on new racing gloves. > My 2 year old Bell gloves, model no longer in production, started to > rapidly break down over the course of a weekend. They fit well and are > comfortable but it looks like I can't replace them. With a two year > lifespan, not sure if I want to anyway. I had a pair of G-Force for years > and might go back to them but thought I'd ask around. Any recommendations? > No speed shops around here any more, I can't do a test fitting. I was also > considering at K1 and K1 pro gloves, anyone used them? > > thanks > mike > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 11 14:48:48 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:48:48 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Photos Eifelrace 2011 In-Reply-To: <6F08A5A8D13C467A9E0AD522996CDA61@Charly> References: <7637F4CFC03B4D20A39270E0C00C0A2A@Bucktailus><20120611054322.2A2BF2D0385@autox.team.net> <000801cd479e$fc92dae0$f5b890a0$@com> <6F08A5A8D13C467A9E0AD522996CDA61@Charly> Message-ID: <002201cd4813$9b535280$d1f9f780$@com> About 300 photos: http://www.tr4-racing.de/deu/gallery2011.html cheers Chris From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jun 11 19:05:51 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 21:05:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Glove recomendation / reviews References: Message-ID: Hi, I've been using Simpson Posi Grips, had the same pair for six years. They are two layer Nomex with gauntlets. SFI 3.3/5. They are comfortable and wear well. Around $100. I have large hands and the XL's fit well. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 12:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Glove recomendation / reviews > Looking for a , excuse me, "hands on", recommendation on new racing > gloves. > My 2 year old Bell gloves, model no longer in production, started to > rapidly break down over the course of a weekend. They fit well and are > comfortable but it looks like I can't replace them. With a two year > lifespan, not sure if I want to anyway. I had a pair of G-Force for years > and might go back to them but thought I'd ask around. Any recommendations? > No speed shops around here any more, I can't do a test fitting. I was also > considering at K1 and K1 pro gloves, anyone used them? > > thanks > mike > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jun 11 19:06:55 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 20:06:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The BeachBoys In-Reply-To: <6F08A5A8D13C467A9E0AD522996CDA61@Charly> References: <7637F4CFC03B4D20A39270E0C00C0A2A@Bucktailus> <20120611054322.2A2BF2D0385@autox.team.net> <000801cd479e$fc92dae0$f5b890a0$@com> <6F08A5A8D13C467A9E0AD522996CDA61@Charly> Message-ID: I love Rammstein! What a fun mix of heavy metal and bikinis! Tony At 11:39 AM 6/11/2012, Charly Mitchel wrote: >Actually looks more like Beach Party Bingo or one of those Annette >and Frankie films, but with a little Molly Hatchett throw in. > >Charly Mitchel >----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" >To: "'FOT team'" >Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 11:54 PM >Subject: [Fot] The BeachBoys > > >>America was us always ahead with having the BeachBoys. >>It took 50+years to build our own BeachBoys group ;-) >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltMGeUNA6lE >> >>Have phun! >> >>Chris >>_______________________________________________ >>fot at autox.team.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe: >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Tue Jun 12 02:04:03 2012 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (geoff byrne) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:04:03 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR Syncros Message-ID: <000001cd4871$ef48c380$cdda4a80$@optushome.com.au> Friends Does anyone have experience with the Moss premium syncros for the TR gearbox . Are they any good? Thanks Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down under From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Jun 12 07:57:21 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Tire / Wheel Query Message-ID: Hi, TR6, F Prepared Solo car. I was shopping for tires yesterday and my fallback plan (Goodyear G19's) fell through as the company has none in stock in the R250 compound and there's nothing on the production schedule in the coming month. No biggie, I'll just get a set of Hoosiers later when I actually need them. Turns out the set on the car now probably have a few events' life in them. But I then started thinking that a lot of the fast guys in Solo are now running 16x10 wheels and the various radial tires (which seem to be in supply) also seem to be available in soft (GY R250 compound). But the switch would mean going to 10 inch wide wheels. I'm pretty sure that fitment shouldn't be a huge deal other than the wallet hit, but I thought I might ping the list to see if anyone can offer any experience either with 16 x 10 wheels or running the straight sidewall radial (or bias, if they are available) race tires. And yes, I know it's not vintage. :-) On the same topic, I haven't looked at a GCR for 5 years or so, but is E Prod still limited to 15x7 wheels? rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue Jun 12 08:22:56 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:22:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR Syncros References: <000001cd4871$ef48c380$cdda4a80$@optushome.com.au> Message-ID: Not sure, but I know the synchros from BP NW are good. http://www.bpnorthwest.com/index.php/triumph/tr250-tr6/synchro-ring-tr3-to-tr6.html Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "geoff byrne" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:04 AM Subject: [Fot] TR Syncros > Friends > > Does anyone have experience with the Moss premium syncros for the TR > gearbox > . Are they any good? > > Thanks > > Geoff Byrne > > TR6 Racer Down under > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From rikrock at live.com Tue Jun 12 12:31:33 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:31:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Summit Point pics 1974 Message-ID: Www.summitpoint.taylortek.com From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Tue Jun 12 17:09:51 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <000001cd4871$ef48c380$cdda4a80$@optushome.com.au> References: <000001cd4871$ef48c380$cdda4a80$@optushome.com.au> Message-ID: <1339542591.58367.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In a TR6, I have a somewhat hotter cam (done by the PO so I don't know any particulars), triple 40 DCOE Webers, a Crane ignition system, and use the stock distributor (advance and retard unhooked) with Petronix Ignitor and Flame Thrower coil with resistor wire converted to non-resistor type. My question is ...would I benefit sufficiently powerwise by going to a non-stock distributor and if so, what is a good performance distributor for the TR6? Thanks for any input. Jim From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jun 12 17:33:45 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:33:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <1339542591.58367.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <000001cd4871$ef48c380$cdda4a80$@optushome.com.au> <1339542591.58367.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FD7D1D9.2030509@bradakis.com> Aftermarket units tend to not have the tach drive, you'll have to go electronic if you want one. Just a week or so back we had a customer who wanted a new distributor, but backed off due to the tach issue. mjb. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jun 12 18:01:24 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:01:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <1339542591.58367.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim, I use the 1-2-3 distributor made in the Netherlands in the tr4. You can pre-program the timing curve. Theyre a really nice piece of work but pricey. http://www.123ignition.nl/ Then there's the Mallory Unilite which is even more pricey and then there is the Pertronix under $ 200.00. http://www.racingshift.com/index.php?auto=triumph&end=133191 There is a big benefit in performance and reliability to going to one of the three. jim g -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sherry robyn Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 5:10 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In a TR6, I have a somewhat hotter cam (done by the PO so I don't know any particulars), triple 40 DCOE Webers, a Crane ignition system, and use the stock distributor (advance and retard unhooked) with Petronix Ignitor and Flame Thrower coil with resistor wire converted to non-resistor type. My question is ...would I benefit sufficiently powerwise by going to a non-stock distributor and if so, what is a good performance distributor for the TR6? Thanks for any input. Jim _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From triosan at gmail.com Tue Jun 12 18:34:47 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:34:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <1339542591.58367.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <000001cd4871$ef48c380$cdda4a80$@optushome.com.au> <1339542591.58367.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I use the Pertronix distributor with the flamethower II unit in the race car. Works great. Word of cuation, you can use a low impedance flamethower coil with the II, but be careful you will burn up the coils not made for it -- ask me how I $$$ know. On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 4:09 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > In a TR6, I have a somewhat hotter cam (done by the PO so I don't know any > particulars), triple 40 DCOE Webers, a Crane ignition system, and use the > stock > distributor (advance and retard unhooked) with Petronix Ignitor and > Flame > Thrower coil with resistor wire converted to non-resistor type. My > question is > ...would I benefit sufficiently powerwise by going to a non-stock > distributor > and if so, what is a good performance distributor for the TR6? > Thanks for any input. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Tue Jun 12 18:49:42 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <4FD7D1D9.2030509@bradakis.com> References: <000001cd4871$ef48c380$cdda4a80$@optushome.com.au> <1339542591.58367.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4FD7D1D9.2030509@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1339548582.58130.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks. I do understand that the after market distributors don't have the mechanical tach hook up. That is another of those costs that cause me to ask about the benefits. Jim ________________________________ From: Mark J Bradakis To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, June 12, 2012 4:33:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 distributor question Aftermarket units tend to not have the tach drive, you'll have to go electronic if you want one. Just a week or so back we had a customer who wanted a new distributor, but backed off due to the tach issue. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From rjohns at woh.rr.com Tue Jun 12 21:17:37 2012 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:17:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ramstein AFB, Germany Message-ID: <68F353A0FB0F42B385AA346EA41DD5CA@Bucktailus> The notation of Ramstein caught my attention in Tony's note about enjoying the German Beach boys. A bit of history involving Triumph occurred at a place called Ramstein AFB in Germany in 1956. The USAF in Europe decided to run some sports cars races on Armed Forces Day in 1956. They ran races for all classes at Ramstein and at a sister base, Landstul AFB. I won the 2 litre class at both of those base races in my TR2. Thus the name "Ramstein" caught my attention. Bob Johns From garygret at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 12 22:32:14 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Tire / Wheel Query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1339561934.94273.YahooMailRC@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob, The 2012 GCR still has 15x7" for all TRs in EP. No experience with a 10-inch rim width, but the G19s on my EP TR4 were a similar 10.4" section width and needed about a 4-inch fender flare with huge wheel wells to allow steering range. Guess if you've been running G19s you must have that covered already. I tried an Autocross just once on R430s and it was embarrassing, like driving on ice :-) Regards, Gary Schneider ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, June 12, 2012 9:53:08 AM Subject: [Fot] Tire / Wheel Query Hi, TR6, F Prepared Solo car. I was shopping for tires yesterday and my fallback plan (Goodyear G19's) fell through as the company has none in stock in the R250 compound and there's nothing on the production schedule in the coming month. No biggie, I'll just get a set of Hoosiers later when I actually need them. Turns out the set on the car now probably have a few events' life in them. But I then started thinking that a lot of the fast guys in Solo are now running 16x10 wheels and the various radial tires (which seem to be in supply) also seem to be available in soft (GY R250 compound). But the switch would mean going to 10 inch wide wheels. I'm pretty sure that fitment shouldn't be a huge deal other than the wallet hit, but I thought I might ping the list to see if anyone can offer any experience either with 16 x 10 wheels or running the straight sidewall radial (or bias, if they are available) race tires. And yes, I know it's not vintage. :-) On the same topic, I haven't looked at a GCR for 5 years or so, but is E Prod still limited to 15x7 wheels? rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jun 13 11:27:49 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:27:49 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com> Just for your interest.....what is coming up.....okay, wrong marquee but nice views: http://youtu.be/uSReA34lDgA Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von tr4racing at googlemail.com Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Juni 2012 23:04 Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Spa next weekend Anybody going to Spa ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jun 13 13:15:55 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:15:55 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ramstein AFB, Germany In-Reply-To: <68F353A0FB0F42B385AA346EA41DD5CA@Bucktailus> References: <68F353A0FB0F42B385AA346EA41DD5CA@Bucktailus> Message-ID: <002501cd4998$f61e4d10$e25ae730$@com> I live close to Ramstein. About 60 km far from me. The Band Rammstein took the name after the aircraft accident but did write the name fals. Cheers Chris Von: Robert Johns [mailto:rjohns at woh.rr.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Juni 2012 05:18 An: MadMarx; FOT team Betreff: Ramstein AFB, Germany The notation of Ramstein caught my attention in Tony's note about enjoying the German Beach boys. A bit of history involving Triumph occurred at a place called Ramstein AFB in Germany in 1956. The USAF in Europe decided to run some sports cars races on Armed Forces Day in 1956. They ran races for all classes at Ramstein and at a sister base, Landstul AFB. I won the 2 litre class at both of those base races in my TR2. Thus the name "Ramstein" caught my attention. Bob Johns From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Jun 13 14:14:46 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:14:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <20120613000741.204DD2D060A@autox.team.net> References: <20120613000741.204DD2D060A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> That looks like a neat unit with both mechanical and vacuum advance. Getting back to the tach drive question. Does anyone offer an electric tach that would have the same appearance as an original? Larry On 6/12/2012 7:01 PM, Jim Gray wrote: > Jim, > I use the 1-2-3 distributor made in the Netherlands in the tr4. You can > pre-program the timing curve. Theyre a really nice piece of work but pricey. > > http://www.123ignition.nl/ > Then there's the Mallory Unilite which is even more pricey and then > there is the Pertronix under $ 200.00. > http://www.racingshift.com/index.php?auto=triumph&end=133191 > > There is a big benefit in performance and reliability to going to one of the > three. > > jim g > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of sherry robyn > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 5:10 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question > > In a TR6, I have a somewhat hotter cam (done by the PO so I don't know any > particulars), triple 40 DCOE Webers, a Crane ignition system, and use the > stock > distributor (advance and retard unhooked) with Petronix Ignitor and > Flame > Thrower coil with resistor wire converted to non-resistor type. My > question is > ...would I benefit sufficiently powerwise by going to a non-stock > distributor > and if so, what is a good performance distributor for the TR6? > Thanks for any input. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jun 13 14:46:27 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:46:27 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> References: <20120613000741.204DD2D060A@autox.team.net> <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> Message-ID: The 123 unit had very often a complete malfunction here in Europe in race cars. The unit doesn't stand heat for long. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:14:46 To: Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 distributor question That looks like a neat unit with both mechanical and vacuum advance. Getting back to the tach drive question. Does anyone offer an electric tach that would have the same appearance as an original? Larry On 6/12/2012 7:01 PM, Jim Gray wrote: > Jim, > I use the 1-2-3 distributor made in the Netherlands in the tr4. You can > pre-program the timing curve. Theyre a really nice piece of work but pricey. > > http://www.123ignition.nl/ > Then there's the Mallory Unilite which is even more pricey and then > there is the Pertronix under $ 200.00. > http://www.racingshift.com/index.php?auto=triumph&end=133191 > > There is a big benefit in performance and reliability to going to one of the > three. > > jim g > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of sherry robyn > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 5:10 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question > > In a TR6, I have a somewhat hotter cam (done by the PO so I don't know any > particulars), triple 40 DCOE Webers, a Crane ignition system, and use the > stock > distributor (advance and retard unhooked) with Petronix Ignitor and > Flame > Thrower coil with resistor wire converted to non-resistor type. My > question is > ...would I benefit sufficiently powerwise by going to a non-stock > distributor > and if so, what is a good performance distributor for the TR6? > Thanks for any input. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From invite+AZm90QGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0 at facebookmail.com Tue Jun 12 05:59:31 2012 From: invite+AZm90QGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0 at facebookmail.com (Ken Gano) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 04:59:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Check out my photos on Facebook Message-ID: <332e8e455f8064c79f01bac0594c5c36@async.facebook.com> Hi Ken, I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. 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Attention: Department 415 P.O Box 10005 Palo Alto CA 94303 From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jun 13 15:36:12 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:36:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Check out my photos on Facebook In-Reply-To: <332e8e455f8064c79f01bac0594c5c36@async.facebook.com> References: <332e8e455f8064c79f01bac0594c5c36@async.facebook.com> Message-ID: <000601cd49ac$8e39fd20$aaadf760$@rr.com> > I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and > events Not to discourage anyone from sharing, but I suggest you read the Facebook terms of service VERY carefully. I believe they basically say that Mark Zuckerberg and his partner (who renounced US citizenship) own whatever you post, including photos, personal information, family relationships etc. And they make their money by selling that information in various ways. Call me paranoid if you like; but I will not be joining you there, and if I could find out how to delete my Facebook account, I would. TANSTAAFL "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch" -- Randall From rjl6n at cstone.net Wed Jun 13 16:18:16 2012 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (Water Rescue Chief) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:18:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> References: <20120613000741.204DD2D060A@autox.team.net> <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> Message-ID: <9dedd4b773dde4f98891476e154ff8e9.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Places like Nissonger, etc can put an electric tach mechanism in your housing so that it looks the same, but is electronic. I had that done to my TR-3 tach when I added the fuel injection. John On Wed, June 13, 2012 4:14 pm, Larry Young wrote: > That looks like a neat unit with both mechanical and vacuum advance. > Getting back to the tach drive question. Does anyone offer an electric > tach that would have the same appearance as an original? > Larry > > On 6/12/2012 7:01 PM, Jim Gray wrote: >> Jim, >> I use the 1-2-3 distributor made in the Netherlands in the tr4. You can >> pre-program the timing curve. Theyre a really nice piece of work but >> pricey. >> >> http://www.123ignition.nl/ >> Then there's the Mallory Unilite which is even more pricey and then >> there is the Pertronix under $ 200.00. >> http://www.racingshift.com/index.php?auto=triumph&end=133191 >> >> There is a big benefit in performance and reliability to going to one of >> the >> three. >> >> jim g >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of sherry robyn >> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 5:10 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question >> >> In a TR6, I have a somewhat hotter cam (done by the PO so I don't know >> any >> particulars), triple 40 DCOE Webers, a Crane ignition system, and use >> the >> stock >> distributor (advance and retard unhooked) with Petronix Ignitor and >> Flame >> Thrower coil with resistor wire converted to non-resistor type. My >> question is >> ...would I benefit sufficiently powerwise by going to a non-stock >> distributor >> and if so, what is a good performance distributor for the TR6? >> Thanks for any input. >> >> Jim >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jun 14 07:39:19 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> References: <20120613000741.204DD2D060A@autox.team.net> <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Larry Young wrote: > That looks like a neat unit with both mechanical and vacuum advance. Getting > back to the tach drive question. Does anyone offer an electric tach that > would have the same appearance as an original? www.gaugeguys.com aka apt intruments international they can switch the guts on a mechanical tach with real smiths eletric tachs. they look like a stock gauge and work well. I had my street car converted a while back. It worked great 'till I accidentally zapped it, but that was my fault, not APT Intruments. If you want to do it yourself, you may be able to swap the guts from a Spitfire electric tach, but I have no idea hoe to calibrate it for 6 swilinders. > Larry regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From walt at hot-tr6.com Thu Jun 14 09:11:49 2012 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:11:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: References: <20120613000741.204DD2D060A@autox.team.net> <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> Message-ID: <000001cd4a40$0b9a0ce0$22ce26a0$@hot-tr6.com> There is a speedometer repair shop in Albuquerque, NM called MoMa, that will take your mechanical drive tachometer and convert it to electrical input. You just need to tell them if it is for a 4,6 or 8 cylinder car. Gauge looks perfectly stock but will take the impulse from the negative lead of the coil. Works perfectly on my vintage TR6 racecar that has a Mallory dual point mechanical advance distributor. Cost to clean and convert the gauge is about $250.00 Walt Hollowell Abq., NM -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:39 AM To: Larry Young Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 distributor question On Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Larry Young wrote: > That looks like a neat unit with both mechanical and vacuum advance. > Getting back to the tach drive question. Does anyone offer an > electric tach that would have the same appearance as an original? www.gaugeguys.com aka apt intruments international they can switch the guts on a mechanical tach with real smiths eletric tachs. they look like a stock gauge and work well. I had my street car converted a while back. It worked great 'till I accidentally zapped it, but that was my fault, not APT Intruments. If you want to do it yourself, you may be able to swap the guts from a Spitfire electric tach, but I have no idea hoe to calibrate it for 6 swilinders. > Larry regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Jun 15 10:46:45 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:46:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 brake bias lever Message-ID: <1311982816.965670.1339778805259.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT I'm adding a brake bias lever to the car which is mounted to the right side of the drivers seat. I will tap into the rear circuit at the rear line splitter. I've heard the term " Girling style bubble flair " before, I know my flaring tool does the SAE double flair. Can someone enlighten me on English style bubble flairs please. Thanks as always, Jim g From rjl6n at cstone.net Fri Jun 15 10:51:28 2012 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (Me) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 12:51:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 brake bias lever In-Reply-To: <1311982816.965670.1339778805259.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1311982816.965670.1339778805259.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3acaeb80c8f3eeafd6449b2e598d4357.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> here's a good write up that Chris Kantarjiev did a few years ago: http://www.dimebank.com/BrakePlumbing.html John On Fri, June 15, 2012 12:46 pm, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > FoT > > I'm adding a brake bias lever to the car which is mounted to the right > side of the drivers seat. > > I will tap into the rear circuit at the rear line splitter. > > I've heard the term " Girling style bubble flair " before, I know my > flaring tool does the SAE double flair. > > Can someone enlighten me on English style bubble flairs please. > > Thanks as always, > > Jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri Jun 15 12:43:40 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:43:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 brake bias lever References: <1311982816.965670.1339778805259.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Check out fedhillusa.com to get a primer on brake fittings and lines. They have a good website and lots of info. Very helpful tech line. I've gone to copper-nickle alloy brake lines; easy to flare and form, and don't rust. A little more $ but worth it. NFI. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "fot" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 12:46 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 brake bias lever > FoT > > I'm adding a brake bias lever to the car which is mounted to the right > side of the drivers seat. > > I will tap into the rear circuit at the rear line splitter. > > I've heard the term " Girling style bubble flair " before, I know my > flaring tool does the SAE double flair. > > Can someone enlighten me on English style bubble flairs please. > > Thanks as always, > > Jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Jun 15 12:58:28 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 brake bias lever In-Reply-To: <3acaeb80c8f3eeafd6449b2e598d4357.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Message-ID: <298976371.971325.1339786708275.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> John, That was a real helpfull article. Long story short, if you have a tool that will do a double flair it will do a Girling bubble flair. A double flair is a two step process, to get a bubble flair you just do the first step of the double flair and there you go, bubble flair. Thanks, jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Me" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: "fot" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 10:51:28 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 brake bias lever here's a good write up that Chris Kantarjiev did a few years ago: http://www.dimebank.com/BrakePlumbing.html John On Fri, June 15, 2012 12:46 pm, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > FoT > > I'm adding a brake bias lever to the car which is mounted to the right > side of the drivers seat. > > I will tap into the rear circuit at the rear line splitter. > > I've heard the term " Girling style bubble flair " before, I know my > flaring tool does the SAE double flair. > > Can someone enlighten me on English style bubble flairs please. > > Thanks as always, > > Jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sun Jun 17 09:10:15 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:10:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Dual Valve Springs Message-ID: I had a miss at high rpms. My distributor had a lot of wobble at the top of the shaft so replaced it. Although it ran stronger at low speeds, the miss at high rpms was still there. I pulled the valve cover and found the number 4 inner valve spring was broken. Thanks to Jim Gray (again) for suggesting I check this. I am wondering what may have caused this. I am also wondering if I should pull the head to see if it caused any damage but since it ran very smooth at low rpms, I am thinking I was just getting some valve float at high rpms. I am going to replace all the springs at this point to make sure. I think I can raise the piston to TDC for each cylinder, and use the valve spring compressor for on head removal. Have others done spring replacements this way or should I just pull the head? Finally, what springs do folks use? In searching the web, it seems rare to see a valve spring break, but I have not heard what experiences other FOT users have had. I have a Paeco 6600 rpm cam, titanium retainers, and chrome moly push rods as well as a rebuilt rocker assembly, but those roller rockers sure do look nice! Thanks in advance for your helpful advice and Happy Fathers Day to all the dads out there. Ty Sent from my iPad From walt at hot-tr6.com Sun Jun 17 09:32:21 2012 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (walt at hot-tr6.com) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:32:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dual Valve Springs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120617103221.13872rrovs13trph@webmail.electronicmoneycompany.com> I have replaced broken springs on my TR6 racecar without removing the cylinder head. First do a compression check to confirm that there is no internal damage to the combustion area. Run the piston to the top of the cylinder you are working on. Then do as you stated to replace springs, retainers, keepers. I also found that a bent slender screwdriver works inserted through the spark plus hole to keep the valve you are working on from slipping down. Roller rockers are nice. I use a double roller rocker setup and i like it. Walt Hollowell of Albuquerque, New Mexico responding from Nevis Island in the Carribean. Quoting "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" : > I had a miss at high rpms. My distributor had a lot of wobble at the top of > the shaft so replaced it. Although it ran stronger at low speeds, the miss at > high rpms was still there. I pulled the valve cover and found the number 4 > inner valve spring was broken. Thanks to Jim Gray (again) for suggesting I > check this. > > I am wondering what may have caused this. I am also wondering if I should > pull the head to see if it caused any damage but since it ran very smooth at > low rpms, I am thinking I was just getting some valve float at high rpms. > > I am going to replace all the springs at this point to make sure. I think I > can raise the piston to TDC for each cylinder, and use the valve spring > compressor for on head removal. Have others done spring > replacements this way > or should I just pull the head? > > Finally, what springs do folks use? In searching the web, it seems rare to > see a valve spring break, but I have not heard what experiences other FOT > users have had. I have a Paeco 6600 rpm cam, titanium retainers, and chrome > moly push rods as well as a rebuilt rocker assembly, but those roller rockers > sure do look nice! > > Thanks in advance for your helpful advice and Happy Fathers Day to all the > dads out there. > > Ty > > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sun Jun 17 10:15:19 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:15:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dual Valve Springs In-Reply-To: <20120617103221.13872rrovs13trph@webmail.electronicmoneycompany.com> References: <20120617103221.13872rrovs13trph@webmail.electronicmoneycompany.com> Message-ID: <8B8F9811-BF98-4064-951B-2BC8C4FBB491@gmail.com> Some people have used compressed air (thru spark plug hole) to hold the valves closed while undoing the collets and springs, but I prefer the method of pushing some cotton cord down through the spark plug hole and then using the piston to keep the valves pushed upward. Duncan (Texas) On Jun 17, 2012, at 10:32 AM, walt at hot-tr6.com wrote: > I have replaced broken springs on my TR6 racecar without removing the cylinder head. First do a compression check to confirm that there is no internal damage to the combustion area. Run the piston to the top of the cylinder you are working on. Then do as you stated to replace springs, retainers, keepers. I also found that a bent slender screwdriver works inserted through the spark plus hole to keep the valve you are working on from slipping down. Roller rockers are nice. I use a double roller rocker setup and i like it. > Walt Hollowell of Albuquerque, New Mexico responding from Nevis Island in the Carribean. > > Quoting "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" : > >> I had a miss at high rpms. My distributor had a lot of wobble at the top of >> the shaft so replaced it. Although it ran stronger at low speeds, the miss at >> high rpms was still there. I pulled the valve cover and found the number 4 >> inner valve spring was broken. Thanks to Jim Gray (again) for suggesting I >> check this. >> >> I am wondering what may have caused this. I am also wondering if I should >> pull the head to see if it caused any damage but since it ran very smooth at >> low rpms, I am thinking I was just getting some valve float at high rpms. >> >> I am going to replace all the springs at this point to make sure. I think I >> can raise the piston to TDC for each cylinder, and use the valve spring >> compressor for on head removal. Have others done spring replacements this way >> or should I just pull the head? >> >> Finally, what springs do folks use? In searching the web, it seems rare to >> see a valve spring break, but I have not heard what experiences other FOT >> users have had. I have a Paeco 6600 rpm cam, titanium retainers, and chrome >> moly push rods as well as a rebuilt rocker assembly, but those roller rockers >> sure do look nice! >> >> Thanks in advance for your helpful advice and Happy Fathers Day to all the >> dads out there. >> >> Ty >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Jun 17 16:13:28 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 17:13:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dual Valve Springs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FDE5688.1010409@pobox.com> You should check that you don't have coil bind. I'd think that would be a likely cause. On 6/17/2012 10:10 AM, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote: > I had a miss at high rpms. My distributor had a lot of wobble at the top of > the shaft so replaced it. Although it ran stronger at low speeds, the miss at > high rpms was still there. I pulled the valve cover and found the number 4 > inner valve spring was broken. Thanks to Jim Gray (again) for suggesting I > check this. > > I am wondering what may have caused this. I am also wondering if I should > pull the head to see if it caused any damage but since it ran very smooth at > low rpms, I am thinking I was just getting some valve float at high rpms. > > I am going to replace all the springs at this point to make sure. I think I > can raise the piston to TDC for each cylinder, and use the valve spring > compressor for on head removal. Have others done spring replacements this way > or should I just pull the head? > > Finally, what springs do folks use? In searching the web, it seems rare to > see a valve spring break, but I have not heard what experiences other FOT > users have had. I have a Paeco 6600 rpm cam, titanium retainers, and chrome > moly push rods as well as a rebuilt rocker assembly, but those roller rockers > sure do look nice! > > Thanks in advance for your helpful advice and Happy Fathers Day to all the > dads out there. > > Ty > > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 18 02:29:58 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:29:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa last weekend In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com> Message-ID: <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com> Have a look.: http://youtu.be/oryDJVKBM8s Cheers Chris From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jun 18 07:44:05 2012 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT Mike Moore Message-ID: <7b4.7196c970.3d108aa5@cs.com> Gary Horstkorta and I are 'sponsoring' Mike Moore into the FOT. He just bought Gary's nicely prepared TR4 and will be on his way to California to bring it back to the Western, PA area. Please greet Mike . He has done so work at Mid-Ohio with schools and track days and is now prepared to join us in vintage racing. Mark Bradakis, please add Mike to this FOT list. mmoore at wave1.net Thanks, Joe From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Jun 18 07:57:54 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 08:57:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spa last weekend In-Reply-To: <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com> <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com> Message-ID: Chris -- a few questions -- Do you take out a bit of steering lock when the O/D engages when you're turning slightly and driving in the rain? I thought I saw you do that but couldn't tell whether it was pre-emptive or was done to correct a small side-step from the rear of the car. Was there a dry line visible anywhere? Any significant damage to your car or the Elan? Duncan (Texas) On Jun 18, 2012, at 3:29 AM, MadMarx wrote: > Have a look.: > > > > http://youtu.be/oryDJVKBM8s > > > > Cheers > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 18 08:01:55 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:01:55 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa last weekend In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com> <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com> Message-ID: <002701cd4d5a$ed6cfa70$c846ef50$@com> Yes I do as the rear wheels do spin a little on OD engagement. It was raining all the time, no dry spot. I had to adjust the steering and the registration plate is bend. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] Gesendet: Montag, 18. Juni 2012 15:58 An: MadMarx Cc: 'FOT team' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Spa last weekend Chris -- a few questions -- Do you take out a bit of steering lock when the O/D engages when you're turning slightly and driving in the rain? I thought I saw you do that but couldn't tell whether it was pre-emptive or was done to correct a small side-step from the rear of the car. Was there a dry line visible anywhere? Any significant damage to your car or the Elan? Duncan (Texas) On Jun 18, 2012, at 3:29 AM, MadMarx wrote: > Have a look.: > > > > http://youtu.be/oryDJVKBM8s > > > > Cheers > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Jun 18 08:56:23 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 07:56:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics Message-ID: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> For the past several months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph racing for the local Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. Among other things for this month's column, I want to include a preview of the Portland Historic Races. If you are planning on racing in this event, please let me know. I'd also like to include the model, year, and car number of the car you will be racing. Thanks in advance. From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jun 18 09:21:12 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:21:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Mike Moore References: <7b4.7196c970.3d108aa5@cs.com> Message-ID: <41EAE6F8FD0B464584D3478A52A9A7EB@owner8914bbf7f> Another Triumph racer, great. Mike's a member of the local British car group, the SOB's. Not as bad as it sounds, Sons Of Britian, or Scions of Britian, is the club. No dues, no officers, just owners of anything British. They meet for dinner on the 3rd Thursday of the month, do some tours, and generally have fun. And have a car show in September in Waterford PA. The SOB's are having a summer party at my farm July 29. Anyone and everyone is welcome. Bring that old Brirish car and come on down. Welcome Mike, glad you bought the TR. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 9:44 AM Subject: [Fot] FOT Mike Moore > Gary Horstkorta and I are 'sponsoring' Mike Moore into the FOT. > > He just bought Gary's nicely prepared TR4 and will be on his way to > California to bring it back to the Western, PA area. > > Please greet Mike . He has done so work at Mid-Ohio with schools and track > days and is now prepared to join us in vintage racing. > > Mark Bradakis, please add Mike to this FOT list. mmoore at wave1.net > > Thanks, > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Mon Jun 18 10:07:07 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics In-Reply-To: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1340035627.31427.YahooMailRC@web180611.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> What are the dates for the Portland Historic Races? ________________________________ From: Jim Norlin To: FOT Sent: Mon, June 18, 2012 7:56:59 AM Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics For the past several months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph racing for the local Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. Among other things for this month's column, I want to include a preview of the Portland Historic Races. If you are planning on racing in this event, please let me know. I'd also like to include the model, year, and car number of the car you will be racing. Thanks in advance. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jun 18 10:36:48 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:36:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: http://www.portlandhistorics.com/spectators/about.html Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Norlin" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:56 AM Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics > For the past several months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph > racing for the local Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. > Among other things for this month's column, I want to include a preview of > the Portland Historic Races. If you are planning on racing in this event, > please let me know. I'd also like to include the model, year, and car > number of the car you will be racing. Thanks in advance. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jun 18 10:39:20 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:39:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <974149E0C18E4860A7EB65BDEDEDD852@Charly> I'm planning on being there with my 1969 TR6 #44. Charly Mitchel .----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Norlin" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:56 AM Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics > For the past several months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph > racing for the local Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. > Among other things for this month's column, I want to include a preview of > the Portland Historic Races. If you are planning on racing in this event, > please let me know. I'd also like to include the model, year, and car > number of the car you will be racing. Thanks in advance. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From triosan at gmail.com Mon Jun 18 11:00:59 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:00:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics In-Reply-To: <1340035627.31427.YahooMailRC@web180611.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> <1340035627.31427.YahooMailRC@web180611.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: September 1 through 3. See SOVREN.org/events On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 9:07 AM, sherry robyn wrote: > What are the dates for the Portland Historic Races? > ________________________________ > From: Jim Norlin > > To: FOT > Sent: Mon, June > 18, 2012 7:56:59 AM > Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics > > For the past several > months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph > racing for the local > Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. Among > other things for this > month's column, I want to include a preview of the > Portland Historic Races. > If you are planning on racing in this event, please > let me know. I'd also > like to include the model, year, and car number of the > car you will be > racing. Thanks in advance. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: > http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 18 15:30:31 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 17:30:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Waterford Hills Vintage Message-ID: FoTers, Are any of you planning on attending the vintage races at Waterford Hills at the end of July? The link is here: http://www.waterfordhills.com/?t=vintage Regards, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jun 19 08:11:47 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:11:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms in-car video Message-ID: I posted a couple of videos in 1080p - my new GoPro works impressively well. Feature race: http://youtu.be/cB3vGdcbl2g There's a spin in front of me on the 2nd lap and later I get run off the road while lapping a car - those are the most notable incidents, but it was a decent, pretty action packed race. We had 40ish cars on the 2 mile course so there's a bunch of cars. I started 7th and finished 5th or 6th. Handicap race: http://youtu.be/TF7lBp9FCHs Less action in this one. On the last lap a bugeye loses a front wheel in front of me in the carousel corner. This is a race where they let you out one at a time, slowest cars first. Neat format. This one's still in post-processing on you tube so may not be available for a few hours. Cheers, Tony Drews From mmoore at wave1.net Tue Jun 19 13:27:02 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:27:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit Message-ID: <006601cd4e51$810ca720$8325f560$@net> Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What to look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days to learn the car. Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a lot to learn!! Thanks Mike 62 TR4 Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Jun 19 14:28:30 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:28:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit References: <006601cd4e51$810ca720$8325f560$@net> Message-ID: <30E9B3C7835E49CEA484CC3CC8ADF7E0@owner8914bbf7f> Hi Mike, welcome to the club. Lots of good suits out there. Get one that's SFI certified, 3-2A/5, or whatever the current standard is. Most vintage organizations want 3 laters of Nomex; 2 layer suit and underwear, or 3 layer suit. I was always told that if you're smart, you'll wear a 3 layer suit with underwear; the extra layer will give you 15-20 seconds more in a fire. If you have facial hair, a balaclave is required. (I'd wear one even if I didn't have facial hair). Simpson High top shoes are good, a little more support for ankles. Simpson Posi Grip gloves wear well. A good helmet and a HANS are a good idea. Remember the old Bell ads from the '60's: If you got a $10 dollar head, wear a $10 helmet. Good luck. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:27 PM Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit > Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What to > look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. > > > > Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. > > > > Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days to > learn the car. > > > > Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a lot > to > learn!! > > > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > 62 TR4 > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From bownes at seiri.com Tue Jun 19 14:35:33 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:35:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit In-Reply-To: <30E9B3C7835E49CEA484CC3CC8ADF7E0@owner8914bbf7f> References: <006601cd4e51$810ca720$8325f560$@net> <30E9B3C7835E49CEA484CC3CC8ADF7E0@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: The most important thing is to get one that is big enough and won't shrink over the winter. ;) On Jun 19, 2012, at 16:28, "william r tobin" wrote: > Hi Mike, welcome to the club. > Lots of good suits out there. Get one that's SFI certified, 3-2A/5, or whatever the current standard is. > Most vintage organizations want 3 laters of Nomex; 2 layer suit and underwear, or 3 layer suit. > I was always told that if you're smart, you'll wear a 3 layer suit with underwear; the extra layer will give you 15-20 seconds more in a fire. > If you have facial hair, a balaclave is required. (I'd wear one even if I didn't have facial hair). > Simpson High top shoes are good, a little more support for ankles. > Simpson Posi Grip gloves wear well. > A good helmet and a HANS are a good idea. Remember the old Bell ads from the '60's: If you got a $10 dollar head, wear a $10 helmet. > Good luck. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:27 PM > Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit > > >> Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What to >> look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. >> >> >> >> Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. >> >> >> >> Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days to >> learn the car. >> >> >> >> Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a lot to >> learn!! >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Mike >> >> 62 TR4 >> >> >> >> Michael T. Moore, CPA >> >> 2007 West 32nd Street >> >> Erie, PA 16508 >> >> >> >> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >> >> Fax: 814-864-7383 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Jun 19 15:03:09 2012 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics Message-ID: <1340139789.68947.YahooMailRC@web180711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I also plan on being at the Portland Historics with my 66 TR-4A. Dark Blue with number 484. The current engine is pretty much stock (a new one is being built to replace one that blew) so I won't be competitive but Portland is fun. Look forward to seeing Jim and Charly and any other TRs there. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing From SpiwakD at aol.com Tue Jun 19 15:15:55 2012 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit Message-ID: I hear that a Nomex thong is popular with California drivers In a message dated 6/19/2012 4:37:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bownes at seiri.com writes: The most important thing is to get one that is big enough and won't shrink over the winter. ;) On Jun 19, 2012, at 16:28, "william r tobin" wrote: > Hi Mike, welcome to the club. > Lots of good suits out there. Get one that's SFI certified, 3-2A/5, or whatever the current standard is. > Most vintage organizations want 3 laters of Nomex; 2 layer suit and underwear, or 3 layer suit. > I was always told that if you're smart, you'll wear a 3 layer suit with underwear; the extra layer will give you 15-20 seconds more in a fire. > If you have facial hair, a balaclave is required. (I'd wear one even if I didn't have facial hair). > Simpson High top shoes are good, a little more support for ankles. > Simpson Posi Grip gloves wear well. > A good helmet and a HANS are a good idea. Remember the old Bell ads from the '60's: If you got a $10 dollar head, wear a $10 helmet. > Good luck. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:27 PM > Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit > > >> Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What to >> look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. >> >> >> >> Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. >> >> >> >> Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days to >> learn the car. >> >> >> >> Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a lot to >> learn!! >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Mike >> >> 62 TR4 >> >> >> >> Michael T. Moore, CPA >> >> 2007 West 32nd Street >> >> Erie, PA 16508 >> >> >> >> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >> >> Fax: 814-864-7383 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spiwakd at aol.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Jun 19 16:14:31 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:14:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit References: Message-ID: THAT'S disgusting!!! I agree about the size thing though. My suit shrunk last winter too. Got a really nice Sparco Top 5 on e-bay for a reasonable price. Same thing happened a few years ago with a nice Quintana Roo triathlon wetsuit; blasted thing shrunk over the winter. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Drivers suit >I hear that a Nomex thong is popular with California drivers > > > In a message dated 6/19/2012 4:37:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > bownes at seiri.com writes: > > The most important thing is to get one that is big enough and won't > shrink > over the winter. ;) > > > > On Jun 19, 2012, at 16:28, "william r tobin" > > wrote: > >> Hi Mike, welcome to the club. >> Lots of good suits out there. Get one that's SFI certified, 3-2A/5, or > whatever the current standard is. >> Most vintage organizations want 3 laters of Nomex; 2 layer suit and > underwear, or 3 layer suit. >> I was always told that if you're smart, you'll wear a 3 layer suit with > underwear; the extra layer will give you 15-20 seconds more in a fire. >> If you have facial hair, a balaclave is required. (I'd wear one even if >> I > didn't have facial hair). >> Simpson High top shoes are good, a little more support for ankles. >> Simpson Posi Grip gloves wear well. >> A good helmet and a HANS are a good idea. Remember the old Bell ads from > the > '60's: If you got a $10 dollar head, wear a $10 helmet. >> Good luck. >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:27 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit >> >> >>> Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What > to >>> look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. >>> >>> >>> >>> Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days >>> to >>> learn the car. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a > lot > to >>> learn!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> 62 TR4 >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>> >>> 2007 West 32nd Street >>> >>> Erie, PA 16508 >>> >>> >>> >>> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >>> >>> Fax: 814-864-7383 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spiwakd at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jun 19 16:18:15 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:18:15 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: But it is okay with physics law that things shrink from winters cold. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: "william r tobin" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:14:31 To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Drivers suit THAT'S disgusting!!! I agree about the size thing though. My suit shrunk last winter too. Got a really nice Sparco Top 5 on e-bay for a reasonable price. Same thing happened a few years ago with a nice Quintana Roo triathlon wetsuit; blasted thing shrunk over the winter. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Drivers suit >I hear that a Nomex thong is popular with California drivers > > > In a message dated 6/19/2012 4:37:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > bownes at seiri.com writes: > > The most important thing is to get one that is big enough and won't > shrink > over the winter. ;) > > > > On Jun 19, 2012, at 16:28, "william r tobin" > > wrote: > >> Hi Mike, welcome to the club. >> Lots of good suits out there. Get one that's SFI certified, 3-2A/5, or > whatever the current standard is. >> Most vintage organizations want 3 laters of Nomex; 2 layer suit and > underwear, or 3 layer suit. >> I was always told that if you're smart, you'll wear a 3 layer suit with > underwear; the extra layer will give you 15-20 seconds more in a fire. >> If you have facial hair, a balaclave is required. (I'd wear one even if >> I > didn't have facial hair). >> Simpson High top shoes are good, a little more support for ankles. >> Simpson Posi Grip gloves wear well. >> A good helmet and a HANS are a good idea. Remember the old Bell ads from > the > '60's: If you got a $10 dollar head, wear a $10 helmet. >> Good luck. >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:27 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit >> >> >>> Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What > to >>> look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. >>> >>> >>> >>> Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days >>> to >>> learn the car. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a > lot > to >>> learn!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> 62 TR4 >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>> >>> 2007 West 32nd Street >>> >>> Erie, PA 16508 >>> >>> >>> >>> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >>> >>> Fax: 814-864-7383 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spiwakd at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From kkjjk at aol.com Tue Jun 19 16:39:09 2012 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF1C8379BBE5D0-1340-1C345@webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com> Shrinkage in a thing is embarrassing... -----Original Message----- From: william r tobin To: SpiwakD ; bownes Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 6:14 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Drivers suit THAT'S disgusting!!! I agree about the size thing though. My suit shrunk last winter too. Got a really nice Sparco Top 5 on e-bay for a reasonable price. Same thing happened a few years ago with a nice Quintana Roo triathlon wetsuit; blasted thing shrunk over the winter. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Drivers suit >I hear that a Nomex thong is popular with California drivers > > > In a message dated 6/19/2012 4:37:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > bownes at seiri.com writes: > > The most important thing is to get one that is big enough and won't > shrink > over the winter. ;) > > > > On Jun 19, 2012, at 16:28, "william r tobin" > > wrote: > >> Hi Mike, welcome to the club. >> Lots of good suits out there. Get one that's SFI certified, 3-2A/5, or > whatever the current standard is. >> Most vintage organizations want 3 laters of Nomex; 2 layer suit and > underwear, or 3 layer suit. >> I was always told that if you're smart, you'll wear a 3 layer suit with > underwear; the extra layer will give you 15-20 seconds more in a fire. >> If you have facial hair, a balaclave is required. (I'd wear one even if >> I > didn't have facial hair). >> Simpson High top shoes are good, a little more support for ankles. >> Simpson Posi Grip gloves wear well. >> A good helmet and a HANS are a good idea. Remember the old Bell ads from > the > '60's: If you got a $10 dollar head, wear a $10 helmet. >> Good luck. >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:27 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit >> >> >>> Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What > to >>> look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. >>> >>> >>> >>> Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days >>> to >>> learn the car. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a > lot > to >>> learn!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> 62 TR4 >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>> >>> 2007 West 32nd Street >>> >>> Erie, PA 16508 >>> >>> >>> >>> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >>> >>> Fax: 814-864-7383 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spiwakd at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Jun 19 16:42:58 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:42:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wiseco soft nylon hone brush Message-ID: <000001cd4e6c$e1007330$a3015990$@com> In our TR4 engine we have Wiseco forged pistons. I saw on their web site that they had a soft nylon hone brush available and as I needed a hone, I purchased one of their hone brushes to break the glaze on the sleeves prior to installing new rings. You can take a look at the brush at www.wiseco.com by clicking on "accessories" in the "automotive" section on the left hand side of the home page. I wanted something "safe" so as not to remove any metal from the sleeves and make them tapered or oblong or both. Has anyone used one of these hone brushes? I'm having a hard time "breaking the glaze" with it. I've called Wiseco a couple of times regarding lubricant/cutting fluid and speed to run it at and have followed their instructions. So far I've tried straight mineral spirits (the Wiseco recommendation), a 50/50 mix of mineral spirits and ATF and carb cleaner that an engine builder in town recommended. I'm making progress but it would seem that this shouldn't be a career!! So, if anybody has some experience with these hone brushes I'd appreciate any suggestions. We do seem to have quite a bit of hard black glaze on the sleeves. I'm beginning to think that maybe the brush should be run dry, no lubricant. Thanks for any suggestions, Tim Murphy From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jun 19 16:46:16 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:46:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wiseco soft nylon hone brush In-Reply-To: <000001cd4e6c$e1007330$a3015990$@com> Message-ID: Try Comet powdered cleanser with water. Jim g. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 4:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Wiseco soft nylon hone brush In our TR4 engine we have Wiseco forged pistons. I saw on their web site that they had a soft nylon hone brush available and as I needed a hone, I purchased one of their hone brushes to break the glaze on the sleeves prior to installing new rings. You can take a look at the brush at www.wiseco.com by clicking on "accessories" in the "automotive" section on the left hand side of the home page. I wanted something "safe" so as not to remove any metal from the sleeves and make them tapered or oblong or both. Has anyone used one of these hone brushes? I'm having a hard time "breaking the glaze" with it. I've called Wiseco a couple of times regarding lubricant/cutting fluid and speed to run it at and have followed their instructions. So far I've tried straight mineral spirits (the Wiseco recommendation), a 50/50 mix of mineral spirits and ATF and carb cleaner that an engine builder in town recommended. I'm making progress but it would seem that this shouldn't be a career!! So, if anybody has some experience with these hone brushes I'd appreciate any suggestions. We do seem to have quite a bit of hard black glaze on the sleeves. I'm beginning to think that maybe the brush should be run dry, no lubricant. Thanks for any suggestions, Tim Murphy _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jun 19 19:08:17 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:08:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit In-Reply-To: <006601cd4e51$810ca720$8325f560$@net> References: <006601cd4e51$810ca720$8325f560$@net> Message-ID: <4FE12281.1060202@bradakis.com> First you get some cotton overalls and a tin of borax ... wait, I think I have some newer notes. mjb. From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Jun 19 19:24:22 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:24:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don't let him kid you Mike, we all wear them, its just that those of us not on the west coast wear them UNDER our drivers suits :) Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: SpiwakD at aol.com > Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:15:55 -0400 > To: bownes at seiri.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Drivers suit > > I hear that a Nomex thong is popular with California drivers > > > In a message dated 6/19/2012 4:37:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > bownes at seiri.com writes: > > The most important thing is to get one that is big enough and won't shrink > over the winter. ;) > > > > On Jun 19, 2012, at 16:28, "william r tobin" > wrote: > > > Hi Mike, welcome to the club. > > Lots of good suits out there. Get one that's SFI certified, 3-2A/5, or > whatever the current standard is. > > Most vintage organizations want 3 laters of Nomex; 2 layer suit and > underwear, or 3 layer suit. > > I was always told that if you're smart, you'll wear a 3 layer suit with > underwear; the extra layer will give you 15-20 seconds more in a fire. > > If you have facial hair, a balaclave is required. (I'd wear one even if I > didn't have facial hair). > > Simpson High top shoes are good, a little more support for ankles. > > Simpson Posi Grip gloves wear well. > > A good helmet and a HANS are a good idea. Remember the old Bell ads from > the > '60's: If you got a $10 dollar head, wear a $10 helmet. > > Good luck. > > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:27 PM > > Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit > > > > > >> Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What > to > >> look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. > >> > >> > >> > >> Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. > >> > >> > >> > >> Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days to > >> learn the car. > >> > >> > >> > >> Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a > lot > to > >> learn!! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> 62 TR4 > >> > >> > >> > >> Michael T. Moore, CPA > >> > >> 2007 West 32nd Street > >> > >> Erie, PA 16508 > >> > >> > >> > >> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > >> > >> Fax: 814-864-7383 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spiwakd at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From mmoore at wave1.net Wed Jun 20 05:21:35 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:21:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit Message-ID: <002801cd4ed6$dabade60$90309b20$@net> Thanks for all the advice. Good thing I joined the FOT or I would never have known about the Nomex g-string!! At least I am on East coast and can wear it under my suit! Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jun 20 11:27:21 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... Message-ID: <95b9.48e6d721.3d1361f9@aol.com> Amici... There was a new (to me) TR3A racer at the Blackhawk Vintage Classic, reported to be a 'Team Effort', with an owner, Guy Moter, and two investor/Drivers. Not sure how or why, but they put it into the tire wall coming out of Turn SEVEN in the feature race on Sunday afternoon. The car had been running well, but I suspect a failed asphalt patch right on the line in Turn SEVEN probably did him in. If you got off line high and into the marbles things did not go well thereafter. He also was experiencing an overheating problem, was using a 7# radiator cap, and may have slid in his own slop. Anyway they are located in the Milwaukee area, and are looking for a right rear fender. Any ideas? Anyone have a contact number for Chris Mills in the Fox River Valley, Wisconsin? He might be a source. Guy Moter's telephone number is 262/573-4511 and his email address is vintageautoservice at yahoo.com. Bill Dentinger From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jun 20 11:36:10 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... Message-ID: <9aac.4cc41a93.3d13640a@aol.com> Amici... I forgot to mention, apparently this team ran the VSCDA School at Gingerman, and the May event at Road America as well. Guy Moter may already be an FOT member. If he is not, he should be and I would like to nominate him for membership if the Friends of Triumph (FOT). His email address is: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Bill Dentinger From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Wed Jun 20 11:46:14 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:46:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... In-Reply-To: <9aac.4cc41a93.3d13640a@aol.com> References: <9aac.4cc41a93.3d13640a@aol.com> Message-ID: <001101cd4f0c$989a8e00$c9cfaa00$@rr.com> Anyone with stones enough to race a TR3 is okay. I'll second! Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... Amici... I forgot to mention, apparently this team ran the VSCDA School at Gingerman, and the May event at Road America as well. Guy Moter may already be an FOT member. If he is not, he should be and I would like to nominate him for membership if the Friends of Triumph (FOT). His email address is: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jun 20 12:15:47 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:15:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... In-Reply-To: <001101cd4f0c$989a8e00$c9cfaa00$@rr.com> References: <9aac.4cc41a93.3d13640a@aol.com> <001101cd4f0c$989a8e00$c9cfaa00$@rr.com> Message-ID: I've been meaning to get over to talk with those guys for a couple events now. They also did the Midwestern Council drivers school. So they get a second from me! Hope they choose to continue to race with MCSCC in addition to the vintage racing organizations. Welcome to the group...Orange TR3A. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ #27 yellow On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Spitfire Racing < Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com> wrote: > Anyone with stones enough to race a TR3 is okay. I'll second! > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:36 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... > > Amici... > > I forgot to mention, apparently this team ran the VSCDA School at > Gingerman, > and the May event at Road America as well. Guy Moter may already be an FOT > member. If he is not, he should be and I would like to nominate him for > membership if the Friends of Triumph (FOT). > > His email address is: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From peter at nosimport.com Wed Jun 20 12:28:39 2012 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:28:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... In-Reply-To: <95b9.48e6d721.3d1361f9@aol.com> References: <95b9.48e6d721.3d1361f9@aol.com> Message-ID: <20120620182849.AAC0BF44066@mx2.netinteraction.com> Chris Mills' phone is (920) 660-0281 rarely answers, and doesn't always return phone calls. BY FAR the best way to reach him is through his parts man at edwardcoyle at gmail.com I'm sure he has some. Located near Green Bay (Seymour, home of the hamburger) Peter C ======= At 12:27 PM 6/20/2012, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >Amici... > >Anyway they are located in the Milwaukee area, and are looking for a right >rear fender. Any ideas? Anyone have a contact number for Chris Mills in >the Fox River Valley, Wisconsin? He might be a source. > >Guy Moter's telephone number is 262/573-4511 and his email address is >vintageautoservice at yahoo.com. > >Bill Dentinger >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/peter at nosimport.com > > > > >----- >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5081 - Release Date: 06/20/12 From wensley_tr at comcast.net Wed Jun 20 13:36:28 2012 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:36:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit In-Reply-To: <4FE12281.1060202@bradakis.com> References: <006601cd4e51$810ca720$8325f560$@net> <4FE12281.1060202@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <003a01cd4f1b$fcf86160$f6e92420$@net> Cotton overalls!! no no go to Sunny Surplus an buy yourself a Flight suit (bright orange) then soke it in borax. Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 9:08 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Drivers suit First you get some cotton overalls and a tin of borax ... wait, I think I have some newer notes. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From awashatko at wi.rr.com Wed Jun 20 16:52:47 2012 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:52:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... In-Reply-To: <95b9.48e6d721.3d1361f9@aol.com> References: <95b9.48e6d721.3d1361f9@aol.com> Message-ID: <9F1025F0-C9FE-4010-8D7B-6C1F4BD2E23A@wi.rr.com> Guy Moter hails from the Cedarburg, WI. area - new to the VSCDA scene. They have run Gratten and RA (a reported 3:04 lap time) this season. Guy has a history of american auto restoration work. We should nominate him to the group. Allen On Jun 20, 2012, at 12:27 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > There was a new (to me) TR3A racer at the Blackhawk Vintage Classic, > reported to be a 'Team Effort', with an owner, Guy Moter, and two > investor/Drivers. Not sure how or why, but they put it into the > tire wall coming out of > Turn SEVEN in the feature race on Sunday afternoon. The car had > been running > well, but I suspect a failed asphalt patch right on the line in Turn > SEVEN > probably did him in. If you got off line high and into the marbles > things did > not go well thereafter. He also was experiencing an overheating > problem, > was using a 7# radiator cap, and may have slid in his own slop. > > Anyway they are located in the Milwaukee area, and are looking for a > right > rear fender. Any ideas? Anyone have a contact number for Chris > Mills in > the Fox River Valley, Wisconsin? He might be a source. > > Guy Moter's telephone number is 262/573-4511 and his email address is > vintageautoservice at yahoo.com. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jun 20 17:11:28 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:11:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... In-Reply-To: <001101cd4f0c$989a8e00$c9cfaa00$@rr.com> References: <9aac.4cc41a93.3d13640a@aol.com> <001101cd4f0c$989a8e00$c9cfaa00$@rr.com> Message-ID: <7949CD54-0756-47A1-93CD-F89F33D491DF@gdhs.com> Hey, all a 3 needs is a heavy foot ( left or right depending on which side of the pond you're on) just ask Chris about Van Mulder's......... Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Spitfire Racing" wrote: > Anyone with stones enough to race a TR3 is okay. I'll second! > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:36 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... > > Amici... > > I forgot to mention, apparently this team ran the VSCDA School at Gingerman, > and the May event at Road America as well. Guy Moter may already be an FOT > member. If he is not, he should be and I would like to nominate him for > membership if the Friends of Triumph (FOT). > > His email address is: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jun 20 17:38:15 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:38:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... In-Reply-To: <7949CD54-0756-47A1-93CD-F89F33D491DF@gdhs.com> References: <9aac.4cc41a93.3d13640a@aol.com> <001101cd4f0c$989a8e00$c9cfaa00$@rr.com> <7949CD54-0756-47A1-93CD-F89F33D491DF@gdhs.com> Message-ID: I'm afraid a heavy left foot won't do any good on either side of the pond...John. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Hey, all a 3 needs is a heavy foot ( left or right depending on which side > of > the pond you're on) just ask Chris about Van Mulder's......... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 20, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Spitfire Racing" < > Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com> > wrote: > > > Anyone with stones enough to race a TR3 is okay. I'll second! > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:36 PM > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Cc: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... > > > > Amici... > > > > I forgot to mention, apparently this team ran the VSCDA School at > Gingerman, > > and the May event at Road America as well. Guy Moter may already be an > FOT > > member. If he is not, he should be and I would like to nominate him for > > membership if the Friends of Triumph (FOT). > > > > His email address is: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > > > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From cwnfot at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 18:57:30 2012 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:57:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson Message-ID: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> Id like to nominate Bud Rolofson for this FOT group. Bud has an immaculate and well prepared street TR6 that is also at the level of top-notch solo/slalom competition. Bud and I team up at the annual VTR conventions for the 2-person driving events, Fun Rally, TSD Rally, Funkhana and are known to do well at that. Bud even drives the TR6 to the VTR events from the Denver CO area. No trailer involved! He took home the "daily driver" award at VTR one year! Now he is contemplating his parts supply which includes a TR4A wreck. In his words: --- Not sure I'm doing a race car but its still in the thought process as I sort out my TR4A wreck. I've got a good guy here in Denver named Jim Gray who does vintage racing for support so I'm leaning towards at least a race car that can become a street car if the next owner desires that. But I'd love to listen in on the FOT list so if that's OK sign me up. I met Kevin Lynch through Irv Korey but I haven't seen him race yet. Saw his car when I dropped a VGR logo by Kevin's house at Irv's request. Bud 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net ---- I guess Bud has 2 sponsors mentioned and I can think of a few more here that know him!! Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jun 20 19:06:37 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson In-Reply-To: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> References: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> Message-ID: <8CF1D613DD1F681-11D4-5117@webmail-m030.sysops.aol.com> i thought he was already on. we spent some time together in february. maybe i forgot to do something Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Clark W. Nicholls To: fot Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 7:58 pm Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson Id like to nominate Bud Rolofson for this FOT group. Bud has an immaculate and well prepared street TR6 that is also at the level of top-notch solo/slalom competition. Bud and I team up at the annual VTR conventions for the 2-person driving events, Fun Rally, TSD Rally, Funkhana and are known to do well at that. Bud even drives the TR6 to the VTR events from the Denver CO area. No trailer involved! He took home the "daily driver" award at VTR one year! Now he is contemplating his parts supply which includes a TR4A wreck. In his words: --- Not sure I'm doing a race car but its still in the thought process as I sort out my TR4A wreck. I've got a good guy here in Denver named Jim Gray who does vintage racing for support so I'm leaning towards at least a race car that can become a street car if the next owner desires that. But I'd love to listen in on the FOT list so if that's OK sign me up. I met Kevin Lynch through Irv Korey but I haven't seen him race yet. Saw his car when I dropped a VGR logo by Kevin's house at Irv's request. Bud 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net ---- I guess Bud has 2 sponsors mentioned and I can think of a few more here that know him!! Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 20 19:11:53 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:11:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson In-Reply-To: <8CF1D613DD1F681-11D4-5117@webmail-m030.sysops.aol.com> References: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> <8CF1D613DD1F681-11D4-5117@webmail-m030.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Is that a second? On Jun 20, 2012, at 8:06 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > i thought he was already on. > > we spent some time together in february. > > maybe i forgot to do something > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clark W. Nicholls > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 7:58 pm > Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson > > > Id like to nominate Bud Rolofson for this FOT group. > Bud has an immaculate and well prepared street TR6 that is also at the level > of top-notch solo/slalom competition. Bud and I team up at the annual VTR > conventions for the 2-person driving events, Fun Rally, TSD Rally, Funkhana > and are known to do well at that. > Bud even drives the TR6 to the VTR events from the Denver CO area. No > trailer involved! He took home the "daily driver" award at VTR one year! > > Now he is contemplating his parts supply which includes a TR4A wreck. In his > words: > --- > Not sure I'm doing a race car but its still in the thought process as I > sort out my TR4A wreck. I've got a good guy here in Denver named Jim Gray > who does vintage racing for support so I'm leaning towards at least a race > car that can become a street car if the next owner desires that. > > But I'd love to listen in on the FOT list so if that's OK sign me up. > > I met Kevin Lynch through Irv Korey but I haven't seen him race yet. Saw > his car when I dropped a VGR logo by Kevin's house at Irv's request. > > Bud > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > ---- > I guess Bud has 2 sponsors mentioned and I can think of a few more here > that know him!! > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jun 20 19:28:17 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson In-Reply-To: References: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> <8CF1D613DD1F681-11D4-5117@webmail-m030.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF1D644490140F-11D4-5284@webmail-m030.sysops.aol.com> yes! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Delap To: Joe Alexander Cc: cwnfot ; fot Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 8:11 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson Is that a second? On Jun 20, 2012, at 8:06 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > i thought he was already on. > > we spent some time together in february. > > maybe i forgot to do something > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clark W. Nicholls > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 7:58 pm > Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson > > > Id like to nominate Bud Rolofson for this FOT group. > Bud has an immaculate and well prepared street TR6 that is also at the level > of top-notch solo/slalom competition. Bud and I team up at the annual VTR > conventions for the 2-person driving events, Fun Rally, TSD Rally, Funkhana > and are known to do well at that. > Bud even drives the TR6 to the VTR events from the Denver CO area. No > trailer involved! He took home the "daily driver" award at VTR one year! > > Now he is contemplating his parts supply which includes a TR4A wreck. In his > words: > --- > Not sure I'm doing a race car but its still in the thought process as I > sort out my TR4A wreck. I've got a good guy here in Denver named Jim Gray > who does vintage racing for support so I'm leaning towards at least a race > car that can become a street car if the next owner desires that. > > But I'd love to listen in on the FOT list so if that's OK sign me up. > > I met Kevin Lynch through Irv Korey but I haven't seen him race yet. Saw > his car when I dropped a VGR logo by Kevin's house at Irv's request. > > Bud > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > ---- > I guess Bud has 2 sponsors mentioned and I can think of a few more here > that know him!! > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jun 20 19:29:58 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:29:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... In-Reply-To: References: <9aac.4cc41a93.3d13640a@aol.com> <001101cd4f0c$989a8e00$c9cfaa00$@rr.com> <7949CD54-0756-47A1-93CD-F89F33D491DF@gdhs.com> Message-ID: Shucks. That must be why you were in front of me @ RA Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > I'm afraid a heavy left foot won't do any good on either side of the pond...John. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Hey, all a 3 needs is a heavy foot ( left or right depending on which side of > the pond you're on) just ask Chris about Van Mulder's......... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 20, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Spitfire Racing" > wrote: > > > Anyone with stones enough to race a TR3 is okay. I'll second! > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:36 PM > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Cc: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... > > > > Amici... > > > > I forgot to mention, apparently this team ran the VSCDA School at > Gingerman, > > and the May event at Road America as well. Guy Moter may already be an FOT > > member. If he is not, he should be and I would like to nominate him for > > membership if the Friends of Triumph (FOT). > > > > His email address is: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > > > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Jun 20 20:03:24 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:03:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson In-Reply-To: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> References: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> Message-ID: Second, third, whatever it takes. Bud's a Triumph motor head for sure and a great guy on top of that. Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: cwnfot at gmail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:57:30 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson > > Id like to nominate Bud Rolofson for this FOT group. > Bud has an immaculate and well prepared street TR6 that is also at the level > of top-notch solo/slalom competition. Bud and I team up at the annual VTR > conventions for the 2-person driving events, Fun Rally, TSD Rally, Funkhana > and are known to do well at that. > Bud even drives the TR6 to the VTR events from the Denver CO area. No > trailer involved! He took home the "daily driver" award at VTR one year! > > Now he is contemplating his parts supply which includes a TR4A wreck. In his > words: > --- > Not sure I'm doing a race car but its still in the thought process as I > sort out my TR4A wreck. I've got a good guy here in Denver named Jim Gray > who does vintage racing for support so I'm leaning towards at least a race > car that can become a street car if the next owner desires that. > > But I'd love to listen in on the FOT list so if that's OK sign me up. > > I met Kevin Lynch through Irv Korey but I haven't seen him race yet. Saw > his car when I dropped a VGR logo by Kevin's house at Irv's request. > > Bud > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > ---- > I guess Bud has 2 sponsors mentioned and I can think of a few more here > that know him!! > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From rjl at gt-classics.com Wed Jun 20 21:09:25 2012 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 23:09:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson In-Reply-To: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> References: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> Message-ID: <4FE29065.8050109@gt-classics.com> I'll second that - Bud's one of the good guys. John On 6/20/2012 8:57 PM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > Id like to nominate Bud Rolofson for this FOT group. > Bud has an immaculate and well prepared street TR6 that is also at the level > of top-notch solo/slalom competition. Bud and I team up at the annual VTR > conventions for the 2-person driving events, Fun Rally, TSD Rally, Funkhana > and are known to do well at that. > Bud even drives the TR6 to the VTR events from the Denver CO area. No > trailer involved! He took home the "daily driver" award at VTR one year! > > Now he is contemplating his parts supply which includes a TR4A wreck. In his > words: > --- > Not sure I'm doing a race car but its still in the thought process as I > sort out my TR4A wreck. I've got a good guy here in Denver named Jim Gray > who does vintage racing for support so I'm leaning towards at least a race > car that can become a street car if the next owner desires that. > > But I'd love to listen in on the FOT list so if that's OK sign me up. > > I met Kevin Lynch through Irv Korey but I haven't seen him race yet. Saw > his car when I dropped a VGR logo by Kevin's house at Irv's request. > > Bud > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > ---- > I guess Bud has 2 sponsors mentioned and I can think of a few more here > that know him!! > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com > > > > > -- Thanks, R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From triumphs at consolidated.net Wed Jun 20 21:19:58 2012 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:19:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson In-Reply-To: <4FE29065.8050109@gt-classics.com> References: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> <4FE29065.8050109@gt-classics.com> Message-ID: <764C409E-634A-4843-9112-1229CBCF9F24@consolidated.net> Count me in on this second. Bud is a great guy. Gano Sent from my iPad On Jun 20, 2012, at 10:09 PM, "R. John Lye" wrote: > I'll second that - Bud's one of the good guys. > > John > > On 6/20/2012 8:57 PM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >> Id like to nominate Bud Rolofson for this FOT group. >> Bud has an immaculate and well prepared street TR6 that is also at the level >> of top-notch solo/slalom competition. Bud and I team up at the annual VTR >> conventions for the 2-person driving events, Fun Rally, TSD Rally, Funkhana >> and are known to do well at that. >> Bud even drives the TR6 to the VTR events from the Denver CO area. No >> trailer involved! He took home the "daily driver" award at VTR one year! >> >> Now he is contemplating his parts supply which includes a TR4A wreck. In his >> words: >> --- >> Not sure I'm doing a race car but its still in the thought process as I >> sort out my TR4A wreck. I've got a good guy here in Denver named Jim Gray >> who does vintage racing for support so I'm leaning towards at least a race >> car that can become a street car if the next owner desires that. >> >> But I'd love to listen in on the FOT list so if that's OK sign me up. >> >> I met Kevin Lynch through Irv Korey but I haven't seen him race yet. Saw >> his car when I dropped a VGR logo by Kevin's house at Irv's request. >> >> Bud >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> levilevi at comcast.net >> ---- >> I guess Bud has 2 sponsors mentioned and I can think of a few more here >> that know him!! >> >> Clark >> Clark W. Nicholls >> 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) >> and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner >> "Reality, it's not what you think." >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Thanks, > R. John Lye > > rjl6n at cstone.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Jun 20 21:33:15 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:33:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list Message-ID: <0D497438-38A5-40D1-94AF-9AD91C9A2E96@comcast.net> Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things about this list and I'm honored to be included. I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look forward to learning how the racers do it. Regards Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net From LimeyV8 at aol.com Thu Jun 21 06:59:36 2012 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (Jack Mc) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:59:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list In-Reply-To: <0D497438-38A5-40D1-94AF-9AD91C9A2E96@comcast.net> References: <0D497438-38A5-40D1-94AF-9AD91C9A2E96@comcast.net> Message-ID: <64504D16-7044-4445-9340-6663C2BAEAB3@aol.com> Welcome aboard Bud! Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things about this list and I'm honored to be included. > > I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look forward to learning how the racers do it. > > Regards > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 21 07:08:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TAIL OF THE DRAGON AND OTHER TRIUMPHS Message-ID: <8CF1DC6247AB1DB-1678-9A7@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> We just finished the day at the 'Dragon' and sat down for dinner in Robbinsville, NC....I looked to the side and caught sight of Classic Motorsport's Gary Hunter. It seems that Gary is here to surprise JK Jackson, who is running his TR6 in the SCCA Sanctioned Hill Climb on the Dragon. We agreed to meet Friday night when the competitors display their cars on Main Street in Robbinsville. Great unplanned event on our trip. Not far away, north of Ashville, NC, there is a TRA Convention and we wonder if Bob and Jean Johns are anywhere nearby. And we hope to hook up with Richard Taylor near Stone Mountain by Saturday. Brad and Susan have job commitments or certainly they would be joining us. The FOT is everywhere....what a great network. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From spitfiresuz at 141.com Thu Jun 21 07:25:02 2012 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list Message-ID: <380-22012642113252190@M2W116.mail2web.com> Hula Boy!!! :D Welcome, Bud! I could have sworn you were on here--glad you are now!!! You're a great fit with the group. Ever gonna put that supercharger on your car??? Susan :) On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things about this list and I'm honored to be included. > > I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look forward to learning how the racers do it. > > Regards > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jun 21 07:29:55 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:29:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list In-Reply-To: <380-22012642113252190@M2W116.mail2web.com> References: <380-22012642113252190@M2W116.mail2web.com> Message-ID: Hula Boy ???? Oh please tell us more :) Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: spitfiresuz at 141.com > To: levilevi at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:02 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list > > Hula Boy!!! :D > > Welcome, Bud! I could have sworn you were on here--glad you are now!!! > You're a great fit with the group. Ever gonna put that supercharger on your > car??? > > Susan :) > > > On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > > > Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things > about > this list and I'm honored to be included. > > > > I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look > forward to learning how the racers do it. > > > > Regards > > Bud Rolofson > > > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > levilevi at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From spitfiresuz at 141.com Thu Jun 21 07:39:52 2012 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:39:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list Message-ID: <380-220126421133952476@M2W134.mail2web.com> Those of you who have been to VTR Nationals will know to what I am referring... ;) Original Message: ----------------- From: marty sukey trmarty at hotmail.com Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:29:55 -0400 To: spitfiresuz at 141.com, levilevi at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] New to the FOT list Hula Boy ???? Oh please tell us more :) Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: spitfiresuz at 141.com > To: levilevi at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:02 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list > > Hula Boy!!! :D > > Welcome, Bud! I could have sworn you were on here--glad you are now!!! > You're a great fit with the group. Ever gonna put that supercharger on your > car??? > > Susan :) > > > On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > > > Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things > about > this list and I'm honored to be included. > > > > I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look > forward to learning how the racers do it. > > > > Regards > > Bud Rolofson > > > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > levilevi at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft. Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jun 21 08:13:11 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... Message-ID: <4665.385dec5e.3d1485f7@aol.com> In a message dated 06/20/2012 5:52:48 PM Central Daylight Time, awashatko at wi.rr.com writes: > Guy Moter hails from the Cedarburg, WI. area - new to the VSCDA scene. > They have run Gratten and RA (a reported 3:04 lap time) this season. Guy has > a history of american auto restoration work. We should nominate him to the > group. Done, and seconded. Incidentally, I missed an 'r' in Guy's name. It is actually, Guy Morter. Bill Dentinger From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 21 08:42:20 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 @ Road America VSCDA'S Vintage Festival Message-ID: <8CF1DD332A3429E-1678-11A0@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> Discussed with VSCDA's John Houlton at Black Hawk Farms: Designated FOT PADDOCK AREA in prime real estate. Hospitality Tent A Triumph Only Practice Group for one session. Grid Girls and pre-race interviews with drivers. Some features of the Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival: Race Car Tour into town to the pleasure of fans and townspeople. Old Race Course re-enactment. Con Cours on the Green at the Oosthoff. Some of the folks involved: Kas Kastner, Grand Marshall John Houlton, VSCDA Board Member and is coordinating the FOT/VSCDA event. Mike and Deb Korneli, VSCDA Chairpersons of the event. George Bruggenthies, President of Road America and VSCDA member. Jack Woerhle, Technical Director The ELVF is one of North America's most popular events and attracts vintage racers from coast to to coast. It is also an event that does not have the cost and crush of what has been known as "FESTIVAL EVENTS". September weather usually promises moderate days and cool nights. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From riverside at southslope.net Thu Jun 21 09:14:46 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:14:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Message-ID: The welcoming into our fold of another TR3 racer has caused me to confront a long neglected duty: To find my old race car. When I last saw my TR3 it was in all black with red interior at a drivers school at Blackhawk Farms in b 74 or b75 I think. The car changed hands a few times and the last I heard, it was in the Fond u lac area of Wisconsin. It had two rather unique features. The roll bar was actually two tubes, both behind the driver, rather tall for the era, and welded together. The blegsb splayed out at the bottom fore and aft before being welded to plates on the frame. There were also the usual fore and aft and lateral additional tubes. The front shroud was split so that the top half could be easily removed without dealing with the lower half, thus easing certain service chores. Does anyone remember this car or have any idea where I could pick up a lead on its fate? My old friend who did so much to help me build it has been urging me to try to find and reacquire it for some time and now is the time. Thanks everyone for the help. From rikrock at live.com Thu Jun 21 09:17:43 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:17:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TAIL OF THE DRAGON AND OTHER TRIUMPHS Message-ID: Speaking of hillclimbs, a handful of FOT members will be in Reading, PA for the SCCA/PHA-sanctioned Pagoda Hillclimb this weekend. Check out the poster featuring Richard Good's TR6 at www.bmr-scca.org Rich Rock -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:08 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TAIL OF THE DRAGON AND OTHER TRIUMPHS We just finished the day at the 'Dragon' and sat down for dinner in Robbinsville, NC....I looked to the side and caught sight of Classic Motorsport's Gary Hunter. It seems that Gary is here to surprise JK Jackson, who is running his TR6 in the SCCA Sanctioned Hill Climb on the Dragon. We agreed to meet Friday night when the competitors display their cars on Main Street in Robbinsville. Great unplanned event on our trip. Not far away, north of Ashville, NC, there is a TRA Convention and we wonder if Bob and Jean Johns are anywhere nearby. And we hope to hook up with Richard Taylor near Stone Mountain by Saturday. Brad and Susan have job commitments or certainly they would be joining us. The FOT is everywhere....what a great network. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock at live.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Jun 21 10:09:50 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:09:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr Message-ID: <001801cd4fc8$4a1cfe40$de56fac0$@rogers.com> I would like to nominate Greg Kerr to the group. His email is gregsk at bell.net Greg just left my driveway towing his new TR7 Race car. He raced a Spitfire in the early 70s and is looking forward to getting back into the racing scene. He plans to go over the car this year and start racing next. Plans include a Sprint engine conversion. http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/TR7%20Race%20Car/P1030794.jpg Can I get a second? Thanks Paul MacDonald From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Jun 21 10:10:14 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:10:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list In-Reply-To: References: <380-22012642113252190@M2W116.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <4DCA7E7F-13CC-41DD-9AB3-1E9D67FB07E6@comcast.net> As Susan described my Hula Girl shirt has gotten a lot of mileage on it. I've worn it at most VTR banquets and most recently at a wedding in Hawaii appropriately enough. Seems like everyone wants to lift the grass skirt though. Lots of curious people. :) Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jun 21, 2012, at 7:29 AM, marty sukey wrote: > > Hula Boy ???? Oh please tell us more :) > > > > Marty > > ---------------------------------------- >> From: spitfiresuz at 141.com >> To: levilevi at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:02 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list >> >> Hula Boy!!! :D >> >> Welcome, Bud! I could have sworn you were on here--glad you are >> now!!! >> You're a great fit with the group. Ever gonna put that supercharger >> on your >> car??? >> >> Susan :) >> >> >> On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things >> about >> this list and I'm honored to be included. >>> >>> I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and >>> look >> forward to learning how the racers do it. >>> >>> Regards >>> Bud Rolofson >>> >>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >>> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >>> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >>> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >>> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >>> levilevi at comcast.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> mail2web - Check your email from the web at >> http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From riverside at southslope.net Thu Jun 21 10:28:13 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:28:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Message-ID: <1C01F36A1B9D4CF082B56EC27D2A139D@rileyPC> Oops, left off identifier Art De Armond From: riverside at southslope.net Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:14 AM To: FOT Subject: Search for my old TR3 racer The welcoming into our fold of another TR3 racer has caused me to confront a long neglected duty: To find my old race car. When I last saw my TR3 it was in all black with red interior at a drivers school at Blackhawk Farms in b 74 or b75 I think. The car changed hands a few times and the last I heard, it was in the Fond u lac area of Wisconsin. It had two rather unique features. The roll bar was actually two tubes, both behind the driver, rather tall for the era, and welded together. The blegsb splayed out at the bottom fore and aft before being welded to plates on the frame. There were also the usual fore and aft and lateral additional tubes. The front shroud was split so that the top half could be easily removed without dealing with the lower half, thus easing certain service chores. Does anyone remember this car or have any idea where I could pick up a lead on its fate? My old friend who did so much to help me build it has been urging me to try to find and reacquire it for some time and now is the time. Thanks everyone for the help. From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Jun 21 10:31:37 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:31:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list In-Reply-To: <4DCA7E7F-13CC-41DD-9AB3-1E9D67FB07E6@comcast.net> References: <380-22012642113252190@M2W116.mail2web.com> <4DCA7E7F-13CC-41DD-9AB3-1E9D67FB07E6@comcast.net> Message-ID: Probably looking to see if you are a east coast guy or a west coast guy has to do with how you wear your Nomex. On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > As Susan described my Hula Girl shirt has gotten a lot of mileage on it. > I've worn it at most VTR banquets and most recently at a wedding in Hawaii > appropriately enough. Seems like everyone wants to lift the grass skirt > though. Lots of curious people. :) > > > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > > > > > On Jun 21, 2012, at 7:29 AM, marty sukey wrote: > > >> Hula Boy ???? Oh please tell us more :) >> >> >> >> Marty >> >> ------------------------------**---------- >> >>> From: spitfiresuz at 141.com >>> To: levilevi at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net >>> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:02 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list >>> >>> Hula Boy!!! :D >>> >>> Welcome, Bud! I could have sworn you were on here--glad you are now!!! >>> You're a great fit with the group. Ever gonna put that supercharger on >>> your >>> car??? >>> >>> Susan :) >>> >>> >>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things >>>> >>> about >>> this list and I'm honored to be included. >>> >>>> >>>> I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look >>>> >>> forward to learning how the racers do it. >>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Bud Rolofson >>>> >>>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >>>> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >>>> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >>>> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >>>> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >>>> levilevi at comcast.net >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >>>> options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com >>>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**-------- >>> mail2web - Check your email from the web at >>> http://link.mail2web.com/**mail2web >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >>> options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.**com >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From riverside at southslope.net Thu Jun 21 10:33:41 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:33:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr In-Reply-To: <001801cd4fc8$4a1cfe40$de56fac0$@rogers.com> References: <001801cd4fc8$4a1cfe40$de56fac0$@rogers.com> Message-ID: That is one sharp looking wedge! art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:09 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: 'GregKerr' Subject: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr I would like to nominate Greg Kerr to the group. His email is gregsk at bell.net Greg just left my driveway towing his new TR7 Race car. He raced a Spitfire in the early 70s and is looking forward to getting back into the racing scene. He plans to go over the car this year and start racing next. Plans include a Sprint engine conversion. http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/TR7%20Race%20Car/P1030794.jpg Can I get a second? Thanks Paul MacDonald _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5083 - Release Date: 06/21/12 From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jun 21 10:41:01 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:41:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list In-Reply-To: References: <380-22012642113252190@M2W116.mail2web.com>, , <4DCA7E7F-13CC-41DD-9AB3-1E9D67FB07E6@comcast.net>, Message-ID: Well since Bud lives near the continental divide he probably wears it both ways :) Aren't you glad Clark drug you into this mess Bud? :)) Marty ________________________________ > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:31:37 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list > From: rfdeanes at gmail.com > To: levilevi at comcast.net > CC: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > > Probably looking to see if you are a east coast guy or a west coast guy > has to do with how you wear your Nomex. > > > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Bud Rolofson > > wrote: > As Susan described my Hula Girl shirt has gotten a lot of mileage on > it. I've worn it at most VTR banquets and most recently at a wedding > in Hawaii appropriately enough. Seems like everyone wants to lift the > grass skirt though. Lots of curious people. :) > > > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > > > > > On Jun 21, 2012, at 7:29 AM, marty sukey wrote: > > > Hula Boy ???? Oh please tell us more :) > > > > Marty > > ---------------------------------------- > From: spitfiresuz at 141.com > To: levilevi at comcast.net; > fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:02 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list > > Hula Boy!!! :D > > Welcome, Bud! I could have sworn you were on here--glad you are now!!! > You're a great fit with the group. Ever gonna put that supercharger on your > car??? > > Susan :) > > > On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson > > wrote: > > Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things > about > this list and I'm honored to be included. > > I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look > forward to learning how the racers do it. > > Regards > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 21 13:11:18 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:11:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list In-Reply-To: <0D497438-38A5-40D1-94AF-9AD91C9A2E96@comcast.net> References: <0D497438-38A5-40D1-94AF-9AD91C9A2E96@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FE371D6.8060007@bradakis.com> Bud Rolofson wrote: > Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things > about this list Of all the lists I scoop up after on Team.Net, this one is my favorite. Don't tell the other lists I said that! mjb. From garygret at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 21 13:54:28 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD937A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD937A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <1340308468.44461.YahooMailRC@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Scott, Art, Sadly no one has valued the Midwestern Council history enough to scan and publish the archives. Bill Martin (near O'Hare) and club historian Jack Bowling (Milwaukee) have extensive collections of the old Klaxons and MC Annuals but it would be time-consuming to page through them. I might suggest Eric Sandsnes for a call. His dad Sandy raced a TR3 prepared to grenade levels back in the day and Eric grew up at the track, I think still has the car. He hasn't been a club member for a couple years but the last info I had was 608-837-0265, esandsnes_mcscc at msn.com. Jag estimate is $20K, not quite totalled but the trucker's insurance has accepted responsibility. Gretchen's driving the automatic for a few days, shifting the MINI was a little uncomfortable when stiff and sore. Almost a month to recover before the next race, race belts on a bruised shoulder would hurt! Gary ________________________________ From: "Barr, Scott" To: Gary Schneider Sent: Thu, June 21, 2012 2:31:47 PM Subject: FW: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Hi Gary, Do you know if there's on-line access to the Council Annuals from the early 70s and onward? Can't seem to locate anything. How's Gretch? And how's the jag? Totaled? (The jag, I mean; Gretchen is clearly not totaled. Still some value there, even with the dings) Scott -----Original Message----- From: riverside at southslope.net [mailto:riverside at southslope.net] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:25 PM To: Barr, Scott Subject: Re: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer my most recent pic shows a number one. It was silver and flat black then, but I don't know what number was on it further down the line. -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:07 PM To: riverside at southslope.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Do you recall what number was on the car when it was race here? -----Original Message----- From: riverside at southslope.net [mailto:riverside at southslope.net] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:04 PM To: Barr, Scott Subject: Re: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer No I don't. I would expect SCCA or Midwest Council. I am getting real close on a storage place where the GT6 would fit. Should be able to move on it early July. Where is the car located? art d -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:38 AM To: riverside at southslope.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Do you know which clubs it was raced with after it went to Fond du Lac? Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of riverside at southslope.net Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:28 AM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Oops, left off identifier Art De Armond From: riverside at southslope.net Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:14 AM To: FOT Subject: Search for my old TR3 racer The welcoming into our fold of another TR3 racer has caused me to confront a long neglected duty: To find my old race car. When I last saw my TR3 it was in all black with red interior at a drivers school at Blackhawk Farms in b 74 or b75 I think. The car changed hands a few times and the last I heard, it was in the Fond u lac area of Wisconsin. It had two rather unique features. The roll bar was actually two tubes, both behind the driver, rather tall for the era, and welded together. The blegsb splayed out at the bottom fore and aft before being welded to plates on the frame. There were also the usual fore and aft and lateral additional tubes. The front shroud was split so that the top half could be easily removed without dealing with the lower half, thus easing certain service chores. Does anyone remember this car or have any idea where I could pick up a lead on its fate? My old friend who did so much to help me build it has been urging me to try to find and reacquire it for some time and now is the time. Thanks everyone for the help. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5083 - Release Date: 06/21/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5083 - Release Date: 06/21/12 From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Jun 21 15:05:24 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:05:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list In-Reply-To: References: <380-22012642113252190@M2W116.mail2web.com>, , <4DCA7E7F-13CC-41DD-9AB3-1E9D67FB07E6@comcast.net>, Message-ID: It all depends on how strong the Coriolus force is that day. Now that you mention it I did forget to thank my navigator Clark for nominating me. Thanks Clark. Bud 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jun 21, 2012, at 10:41 AM, marty sukey wrote: > > Well since Bud lives near the continental divide he probably wears > it both ways :) > > > > Aren't you glad Clark drug you into this mess Bud? :)) > > > > Marty > > ________________________________ >> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:31:37 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list >> From: rfdeanes at gmail.com >> To: levilevi at comcast.net >> CC: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net >> >> Probably looking to see if you are a east coast guy or a west coast >> guy >> has to do with how you wear your Nomex. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Bud Rolofson >> > wrote: >> As Susan described my Hula Girl shirt has gotten a lot of mileage on >> it. I've worn it at most VTR banquets and most recently at a wedding >> in Hawaii appropriately enough. Seems like everyone wants to lift the >> grass skirt though. Lots of curious people. :) >> >> >> Bud Rolofson >> >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> levilevi at comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 21, 2012, at 7:29 AM, marty sukey wrote: >> >> >> Hula Boy ???? Oh please tell us more :) >> >> >> >> Marty >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> From: spitfiresuz at 141.com >> To: levilevi at comcast.net; >> fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:02 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list >> >> Hula Boy!!! :D >> >> Welcome, Bud! I could have sworn you were on here--glad you are >> now!!! >> You're a great fit with the group. Ever gonna put that supercharger >> on your >> car??? >> >> Susan :) >> >> >> On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson >> > wrote: >> >> Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things >> about >> this list and I'm honored to be included. >> >> I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look >> forward to learning how the racers do it. >> >> Regards >> Bud Rolofson >> >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> levilevi at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> mail2web - Check your email from the web at >> http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> rob deanes >> TR Racer From jason at multivintage.com Thu Jun 21 15:22:40 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:22:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD937A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <1340308468.44461.YahooMailRC@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Art, Scott, Gary and all interested, Don't forget about me, perhaps one of the few MC guys really interested in our history... holding many pieces to the Midwestern Council (MC) puzzle. I have all the annuals and Klaxons from 1970 onward. I have left a message with Burt Levy (the last open road) about your quest... he drove a TR3 at that time in MC.... it may have been black for a while. and was damage wrecked and painted several times... each time looking worse and worse. There were few TR3's racing in council at that time. I will check the annuals and Klaxxons tomorrow for any more clues. But eagerly await a call back from Burt, as I suspect that if it was raced in MC he will have some info for us. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ Midwestern Council Race Chairperson NSSCC Board Member (Secretary) Majorly fanatical racing historian Antique dealer and Vintage Toy Store owner. Nut head, and more. From jason at multivintage.com Thu Jun 21 15:32:30 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:32:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Message-ID: Sorry if this message comes through twice.... Something strange happened when I tried to send it as a reply. Art, Scott, Gary and all interested, Don't forget about me, perhaps one of the few MC guys really interested in our history... holding many pieces to the Midwestern Council (MC) puzzle. I have all the annuals and Klaxons from 1970 onward. I have left a message with Burt Levy (the last open road) about your quest... he drove a TR3 at that time in MC.... it may have been black for a while. and was damage wrecked and painted several times... each time looking worse and worse. There were few TR3's racing in council at that time. I will check the annuals and Klaxxons tomorrow for any more clues. But eagerly await a call back from Burt, as I suspect that if it was raced in MC he will have some info for us. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ Midwestern Council Race Chairperson NSSCC Board Member (Secretary) Majorly fanatical racing historian Antique dealer and Vintage Toy Store owner. Nut head, and more. From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Jun 21 15:37:29 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:37:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD937A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <1340308468.44461.YahooMailRC@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <98ED3994-8CED-4B55-AAFB-23624E0CD9AE@gdhs.com> Jason. Just for the record, SVRA does not accept annual tech inspections from other council members. HSR and the guys up in Canada, however, do. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Art, Scott, Gary and all interested, > Don't forget about me, perhaps one of the few MC guys really interested in > our history... holding many pieces to the Midwestern Council (MC) puzzle. > I have all the annuals and Klaxons from 1970 onward. > I have left a message with Burt Levy (the last open road) about your > quest... he drove a TR3 at that time in MC.... it may have been black for a > while. and was damage wrecked and painted several times... each time > looking worse and worse. > There were few TR3's racing in council at that time. > I will check the annuals and Klaxxons tomorrow for any more clues. > But eagerly await a call back from Burt, as I suspect that if it was raced > in MC he will have some info for us. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ > Midwestern Council Race Chairperson > NSSCC Board Member (Secretary) > Majorly fanatical racing historian > Antique dealer and Vintage Toy Store owner. > Nut head, and more. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From sgroh1 at comcast.net Thu Jun 21 15:50:50 2012 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:50:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Anyone have a SAH valve cover cap gasket?? Message-ID: <4402A53C-D918-472D-97FE-2AA4327616EB@comcast.net> I have an SAH valve cover with a spring-loaded cap that desperately needs a gasket. Nothing I've tried is sealing this puppy. Does anyone have a spare gasket or cap with a gasket they want to part with? The cap is not threaded, but depresses under a detent and then raises back up after a 1-4 turn. Any help would be much appreciated!!! Steve Groh 63 Spit From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jun 21 15:53:56 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Message-ID: <2c2dc.3b942226.3d14f1f4@aol.com> In a message dated 06/21/2012 4:38:57 PM Central Daylight Time, jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: > Jason. Just for the record, SVRA does not accept annual tech inspections > from > other council members. HSR and the guys up in Canada, however, do. > While I have no first hand knowledge because I have not raced with SVRA since Carl and Jack left (I'm punishing them), it would really surprise me if they would not honor TECH inspection from other 'significant' vintage sanctioning bodies. SVRA has enough stones in their road these days without pissing racers off because they will not honor ANNUAL TECH inspections by other respected groups. The HAWK is a Road America event. Bill Dentinger From jason at multivintage.com Thu Jun 21 16:09:50 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:09:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer In-Reply-To: <2c2dc.3b942226.3d14f1f4@aol.com> References: <2c2dc.3b942226.3d14f1f4@aol.com> Message-ID: Strange goings on here... It took me a while to figure out what post/ topic is being referenced here. The "annuals" I'M talking about are like yearbooks... with racing photos, people/worker photos and championship points listings. These were put out yearly by Midwestern Council up until the digital era. I think my post ended up being confusing as it was referencing a few off line posts by Scott and Gary that may or may not have come across on FOT. Sorry for the confusion. On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:53 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 06/21/2012 4:38:57 PM Central Daylight Time, > jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: > > > Jason. Just for the record, SVRA does not accept annual tech inspections > from > other council members. HSR and the guys up in Canada, however, do. > > > and Bill D's last post. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Jun 21 16:45:08 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:45:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wiseco soft nylon hone brush In-Reply-To: <000001cd4e6c$e1007330$a3015990$@com> References: <000001cd4e6c$e1007330$a3015990$@com> Message-ID: <000001cd4fff$8327c990$89775cb0$@com> Thanks to all who responded regarding honing the cylinders. Essentially, I bought the wrong hone! I've now purchased a Flex Hone which should do the job. The Customer Support people at Flex Hone were helpful regarding which hone to get and how to use, RPM, amount of honing, etc. Their web site is pretty informative also, you just have to rummage around in it a bit to find the info. I should have the hone tomorrow from McMaster-Carr and be done with that part of the job. I'm beginning to think that we had excessive glaze because of very minimal cross hatching when the sleeves were honed for extra clearance for the forged pistons. We'll see how we do this time!! Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Wiseco soft nylon hone brush In our TR4 engine we have Wiseco forged pistons. I saw on their web site that they had a soft nylon hone brush available and as I needed a hone, I purchased one of their hone brushes to break the glaze on the sleeves prior to installing new rings. You can take a look at the brush at www.wiseco.com by clicking on "accessories" in the "automotive" section on the left hand side of the home page. I wanted something "safe" so as not to remove any metal from the sleeves and make them tapered or oblong or both. Has anyone used one of these hone brushes? I'm having a hard time "breaking the glaze" with it. I've called Wiseco a couple of times regarding lubricant/cutting fluid and speed to run it at and have followed their instructions. So far I've tried straight mineral spirits (the Wiseco recommendation), a 50/50 mix of mineral spirits and ATF and carb cleaner that an engine builder in town recommended. I'm making progress but it would seem that this shouldn't be a career!! So, if anybody has some experience with these hone brushes I'd appreciate any suggestions. We do seem to have quite a bit of hard black glaze on the sleeves. I'm beginning to think that maybe the brush should be run dry, no lubricant. Thanks for any suggestions, Tim Murphy _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Jun 21 17:41:53 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:41:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Monster Message-ID: <003801cd5007$700d5ed0$50281c70$@rogers.com> Here is a car that runs in Ontario. http://coburnphotographyca.smugmug.com/Motorsports/GT-1-to-GT-6/DAC-Trillium -Trophy-Races-2012/23405374_Vgpgbd#!i=1891593890&k=7BzpqQH&lb=1&s=A It has a 400 cubic inch all aluminum Dart engine about 600hp, and wins most races in GT1 locally against Corvettes, Vipers and Porsches. Paul From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Jun 21 17:47:30 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:47:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Monster In-Reply-To: <003801cd5007$700d5ed0$50281c70$@rogers.com> References: <003801cd5007$700d5ed0$50281c70$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <004001cd5008$391d89d0$ab589d70$@rogers.com> Try this shorter link http://tinyurl.com/7qqgtf7 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: June 21, 2012 7:42 PM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] TR7 Monster Here is a car that runs in Ontario. http://coburnphotographyca.smugmug.com/Motorsports/GT-1-to-GT-6/DAC-Trillium -Trophy-Races-2012/23405374_Vgpgbd#!i=1891593890&k=7BzpqQH&lb=1&s=A It has a 400 cubic inch all aluminum Dart engine about 600hp, and wins most races in GT1 locally against Corvettes, Vipers and Porsches. Paul _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 21 19:24:55 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr....now Wedges at the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <001801cd4fc8$4a1cfe40$de56fac0$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <8CF1E2CF745335F-1798-BFA6@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com> Wedges are one part of the future for Triumph Vintage Racing. The 2013 Kastner Cup will once again accept all Triumphs on a case by case basis. We will be looking forward to seeing applications for approval for the Wedge Family. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: riverside To: Paul MacDonald ; fot Cc: 'GregKerr' Sent: Thu, Jun 21, 2012 11:38 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr That is one sharp looking wedge! art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:09 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: 'GregKerr' Subject: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr I would like to nominate Greg Kerr to the group. His email is gregsk at bell.net Greg just left my driveway towing his new TR7 Race car. He raced a Spitfire in the early 70s and is looking forward to getting back into the racing scene. He plans to go over the car this year and start racing next. Plans include a Sprint engine conversion. http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/TR7%20Race%20Car/P1030794.jpg Can I get a second? Thanks Paul MacDonald _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5083 - Release Date: 06/21/12 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Jun 21 20:12:28 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:12:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Nomination Greg Kerr In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005901cd501c$7997cbb0$6cc76310$@rogers.com> I think Peter meant to reply all. Paul -----Original Message----- From: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca [mailto:peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca] Sent: June 21, 2012 1:51 PM To: Paul MacDonald Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr Second, greg is a racer Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: macdonaldp Sent: 21.06.2012 12:09 AST To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: gregsk at bell.net Subject: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr I would like to nominate Greg Kerr to the group. His email is gregsk at bell.net Greg just left my driveway towing his new TR7 Race car. He raced a Spitfire in the early 70s and is looking forward to getting back into the racing scene. He plans to go over the car this year and start racing next. Plans include a Sprint engine conversion. http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/TR7%20Race%20Car/P1030794.jpg Can I get a second? Thanks Paul MacDonald _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca If you are not the intended addressee, please inform us immediately that you have received this e-mail in error, and delete it. We thank you for your cooperation. = From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 21 21:16:40 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:16:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: Nomination Greg Kerr [ List workings ] In-Reply-To: <005901cd501c$7997cbb0$6cc76310$@rogers.com> References: <005901cd501c$7997cbb0$6cc76310$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4FE3E398.7050901@bradakis.com> Paul MacDonald wrote: > I think Peter meant to reply all. > > As many of you have no doubt noticed by now the default list behavior is to send a reply only to the one who first sent the message. I've had it set that way for many years. Basically it is easier to have a list member resend a post that was meant for all than to "unsend" a post that should not have been sent to all. So when replying you may want to check the "To: " box. Many years back I was explaining my reasoning for this policy on one of the lists. One subscriber sent a message to list with some comments on the subject. Another subscriber responded but it was pretty obvious the reply was meant to go to only one person, not the whole list. But I didn't unsubscribe him in spite of all the mean and unpleasant things he said about me and how the lists are managed. Another reason one's message don't reach the list is because you aren't sending it here. To send a message to fot at autox.team.net you send a message to, gee, fot at autox.team.net. Again, check the "To: " address ( or CC ) when composing your message. And yet another reason your messages don't come through is because you are not a member of the email list, your EMAIL is a member of the list. If you were put on the list as student_joe at diploma.mill but are now sending mail from the address worker_joe at slavers.com it won't come through. One can subscribe both addresses and set one of them to not get messages so you can send from either one but not get two copies. I just dealt with that for one person earlier today, you may soon be hearing from Bill Babcock again. Sorry to be somewhat long winded about such stuff, but hopefully a bit of knowledge will help all of you make good use of what a great resource this is! mjb, underworked and overpaid Team.Net janitor. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jun 22 06:05:27 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:05:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] WG: Spa last weekend Message-ID: <000f01cd506f$511672b0$f3435810$@com> Another Triumph video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded &v=1W7dGRVgDXk I appear as guest star from time to time. Cheers Chris From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Jun 22 07:23:59 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR7 Monster In-Reply-To: <004001cd5008$391d89d0$ab589d70$@rogers.com> References: <003801cd5007$700d5ed0$50281c70$@rogers.com> <004001cd5008$391d89d0$ab589d70$@rogers.com> Message-ID: LIKE!!! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 21 Jun 2012, Paul MacDonald wrote: > Try this shorter link > > http://tinyurl.com/7qqgtf7 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: June 21, 2012 7:42 PM > To: Fot > Subject: [Fot] TR7 Monster > > Here is a car that runs in Ontario. > > > > > m-Trophy-Races-2012/23405374_Vgpgbd#!i=1891593890&k=7BzpqQH&lb=1&s=A> > http://coburnphotographyca.smugmug.com/Motorsports/GT-1-to-GT-6/DAC-Trillium > -Trophy-Races-2012/23405374_Vgpgbd#!i=1891593890&k=7BzpqQH&lb=1&s=A > > > > It has a 400 cubic inch all aluminum Dart engine about 600hp, and wins most > races in GT1 locally against Corvettes, Vipers and Porsches. > > > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang at isis.mit.edu From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Fri Jun 22 11:54:15 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:54:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] trying to put video ion YouTube Message-ID: <006c01cd50a0$0a040f00$1e0c2d00$@rr.com> Okay, I have used software supplied at the GoPro site to reduce the length of the video files (GoPro Hero HD) to be less than 20 minutes and on four attempts to put video up on YouTube (many hours each) they have been dropped by the site with the message it was too long! Anyone have a work around on this? Is it based on time or on file size. The file was an MP4 with 1.7 gig content. I'm ready to give up....... Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jun 22 11:58:11 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:58:11 +0200 Subject: [Fot] trying to put video ion YouTube In-Reply-To: <006c01cd50a0$0a040f00$1e0c2d00$@rr.com> References: <006c01cd50a0$0a040f00$1e0c2d00$@rr.com> Message-ID: <003101cd50a0$97d831d0$c7889570$@com> Good heavens! 1.7GB is way too much for us normal video watcher. Try to get it down to 100 - 300 MB and shorten it to less than 15 minutes. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Spitfire Racing Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Juni 2012 19:54 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] trying to put video ion YouTube Okay, I have used software supplied at the GoPro site to reduce the length of the video files (GoPro Hero HD) to be less than 20 minutes and on four attempts to put video up on YouTube (many hours each) they have been dropped by the site with the message it was too long! Anyone have a work around on this? Is it based on time or on file size. The file was an MP4 with 1.7 gig content. I'm ready to give up....... Russ Moore Spitfire #49 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From harmug at us.ibm.com Fri Jun 22 12:11:51 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:11:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 67, Issue 39 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: re: Video on Youtube Russ, I ran into the same problem this year when I upgraded to a GoPro HD from the original GoPro (Low def?). Hours of upload and then rejection. I had to upgrade (free) my account. There's a link on the rejection page. You verify your contact info and they text you a code. After I did that, no problem uploading 20 minute full race videos. I'd still recommend editing the raw file, I use the free movie maker program that comes with Windows. The file size bloats during the conversion to a *.wav file but it's fairly easy to use and you can add titles, credits, cut out sections and even add a sound track. mike G. Michael Harmuth 63 Spit From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jun 22 12:35:20 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:35:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] trying to put video ion YouTube In-Reply-To: <006c01cd50a0$0a040f00$1e0c2d00$@rr.com> References: <006c01cd50a0$0a040f00$1e0c2d00$@rr.com> Message-ID: The video of Blackhawk Feature Race that I recently posted is an MP4 file that is 1.75GB and is 19 minutes long. Took a while to upload. The 2nd video I posted is similar, but YouTube had a couple of glitches and it posted on like the 3rd or 4th try. I had to close and re-open the browser for it to figure things out. The allowed length may be related to the type of YouTube account you have. Somewhere along the line it changed from allowing me to post 10 minute videos to longer videos (at least 20 minutes, maybe longer). I don't remember if I had to do anything to change this, though. Tony At 12:54 PM 6/22/2012, Spitfire Racing wrote: >Okay, I have used software supplied at the GoPro site to reduce the length >of the video files (GoPro Hero HD) to be less than 20 minutes and on four >attempts to put video up on YouTube (many hours each) they have been dropped >by the site with the message it was too long! Anyone have a work around on >this? Is it based on time or on file size. The file was an MP4 with 1.7 gig >content. > > > >I'm ready to give up....... > > > >Russ Moore > >Spitfire #49 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jun 22 19:40:00 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 21:40:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer In-Reply-To: <2c2dc.3b942226.3d14f1f4@aol.com> References: <2c2dc.3b942226.3d14f1f4@aol.com> Message-ID: Bill I am at Mid Ohio right now.... Believe me. I had to go through a full annual this morning even though I had an annual by VDCA noted in my log book in Dec. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2012, at 5:53 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 06/21/2012 4:38:57 PM Central Daylight Time, jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: > > >> Jason. Just for the record, SVRA does not accept annual tech inspections from >> other council members. HSR and the guys up in Canada, however, do. > > > While I have no first hand knowledge because I have not raced with SVRA since Carl and Jack left (I'm punishing them), it would really surprise me if they would not honor TECH inspection from other 'significant' vintage sanctioning bodies. SVRA has enough stones in their road these days without pissing racers off because they will not honor ANNUAL TECH inspections by other respected groups. > > The HAWK is a Road America event. > > Bill Dentinger From starr001 at umn.edu Sat Jun 23 08:14:38 2012 From: starr001 at umn.edu (Patrick Starr) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:14:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics In-Reply-To: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: Jim, I have entered the Portland Historics with my TR3 powered 1958 Morgan Plus 4. I finally got it running again after having the camshaft break during practice at the Mitty event in April (!) It has number 83 and is in group one. Patrick Starr On Jun 18, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Jim Norlin wrote: > For the past several months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph racing for the local Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. Among other things for this month's column, I want to include a preview of the Portland Historic Races. If you are planning on racing in this event, please let me know. I'd also like to include the model, year, and car number of the car you will be racing. Thanks in advance. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/starr001 at umn.edu From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 23 08:51:26 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:51:26 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa last weekend In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , , <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, , , , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: <000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> A real action video: http://contour.com/stories/trcompetition-2012-francorchamps-race-2-19-juni-c lip From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sat Jun 23 10:23:16 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:23:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spa last weekend In-Reply-To: <000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net> <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com> <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com> <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com> <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com> <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com> <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> Message-ID: <478064C7-BA8D-464B-8316-1BD24EA27843@yahoo.com> I bought my TR4 at a fire sale. It cooked a bit before the corner team got to it. All good now, but I installed a halon system just in case! Ty Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2012, at 8:51 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > A real action video: > > > > http://contour.com/stories/trcompetition-2012-francorchamps-race-2-19-juni-c > lip > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sat Jun 23 11:42:46 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 13:42:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 front coil springs Message-ID: <4FE60016.3090909@cfl.rr.com> I have a set of NOS 650lb comp coil springs 7 3/4" in length. My question: are the aluminum spring spacers that are used by the stock suspension still used with comp springs or left off? Spacers appear to be about 1" tall. thxx, Bob From ponobill at gmail.com Sat Jun 23 16:34:40 2012 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:34:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics In-Reply-To: References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hey Pat, it will be nice to see you. My email server has changed so I can't get on the FOT list anymore, haven't been able to get Mark to fix the problem, but this should get through since i have your direct email address. I'll be there with Peyote. Are you also going to the SOVREN race in Auburn the next weekend? On Jun 23, 2012, at 7:14 AM, Patrick Starr wrote: > Jim, > I have entered the Portland Historics with my TR3 powered 1958 Morgan Plus 4. > I finally got it running again after > having the camshaft break during practice at the Mitty event in April (!) It > has number 83 and is in group one. > > Patrick Starr > > On Jun 18, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Jim Norlin wrote: > >> For the past several months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph > racing for the local Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. Among > other things for this month's column, I want to include a preview of the > Portland Historic Races. If you are planning on racing in this event, please > let me know. I'd also like to include the model, year, and car number of the > car you will be racing. Thanks in advance. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/starr001 at umn.edu > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jun 23 16:52:15 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:52:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics In-Reply-To: References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FE6489F.1080808@bradakis.com> Bill Babcock wrote: > Hey Pat, it will be nice to see you. My email server has changed so I can't > get on the FOT list anymore, haven't been able to get Mark to fix the problem, > I thought I had fixed it back in May when you first told me about it, but apparently not. I did fix it the other day when Joe A. mentioned it. I commented on it as one example of why some folks messages weren't showing up. If the archives were updating properly I'd point folks in that direction to the specific message. It is getting too hot to fuss about in the garage, maybe I'll work on the archive issue. mjb, still the overpaid and underworked list janitor. From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 23 19:09:00 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 21:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics In-Reply-To: References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CF1FBD12B7C292-1790-203DD@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> i got your email bill, good to have you back! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock To: Patrick Starr Cc: FOT Sent: Sat, Jun 23, 2012 5:38 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Portland Historics Hey Pat, it will be nice to see you. My email server has changed so I can't get on the FOT list anymore, haven't been able to get Mark to fix the problem, but this should get through since i have your direct email address. I'll be there with Peyote. Are you also going to the SOVREN race in Auburn the next weekend? On Jun 23, 2012, at 7:14 AM, Patrick Starr wrote: > Jim, > I have entered the Portland Historics with my TR3 powered 1958 Morgan Plus 4. > I finally got it running again after > having the camshaft break during practice at the Mitty event in April (!) It > has number 83 and is in group one. > > Patrick Starr > > On Jun 18, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Jim Norlin wrote: > >> For the past several months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph > racing for the local Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. Among > other things for this month's column, I want to include a preview of the > Portland Historic Races. If you are planning on racing in this event, please > let me know. I'd also like to include the model, year, and car number of the > car you will be racing. Thanks in advance. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/starr001 at umn.edu > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From ponobill at gmail.com Sat Jun 23 21:49:08 2012 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 20:49:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics In-Reply-To: <4FE6489F.1080808@bradakis.com> References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> <4FE6489F.1080808@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mark, good to be back. I haven't been doing much of interest to FOTers lately, been busy with other stuff, but that's changing fast. Trying to wrap up some projects so I can get back to building a street TR3 for myself, and either getting Ambro #001 put back together or selling it. I have so many projects laying around I'm going to have to live to be at least 120 to finish them all. One weird thing I'm playng around with is aerial photography and autopilot technology for miniature multi-rotor helicopters. Here's one: http://www.kenalu.com/wp-content/uploads/ebooks/quadrecon.jpg The other weird thing is manufacturing carbon fiber paddles for Stand Up Paddle surfing and racing. Our paddles have attracted a cult following. As usual I didn't know what the heck i was doing, we just took a test and measurement geek approach to what has been traditionally driven by experience and fiddling. I just added some electronics to the process but it worked pretty well: http://www.kenalu.com/. Why a happily retired guy would build a business like this is simply beyond me. But I'm having fun with itI think. On Jun 23, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Bill Babcock wrote: >> Hey Pat, it will be nice to see you. My email server has changed so I can't >> get on the FOT list anymore, haven't been able to get Mark to fix the problem, >> > > I thought I had fixed it back in May when you first told me about it, > but apparently not. I did fix it the other day when Joe A. mentioned > it. I commented on it as one example of why some folks messages > weren't showing up. If the archives were updating properly I'd point > folks in that direction to the specific message. It is getting too hot > to fuss about in the garage, maybe I'll work on the archive issue. > > mjb, still the overpaid and underworked list janitor. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 24 03:38:21 2012 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 05:38:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT Message-ID: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He races a very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto at Mosport last weekend. He's a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut who has built his own car as many of us have. He experienced and overcame some of the problems a car can toss at you in its early events. Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com)? Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jun 24 04:35:12 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT In-Reply-To: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> References: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CF200C2B030826-1A74-22B79@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> yo! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing To: fot Cc: 'Donn Sopp' ; vangoughv Sent: Sun, Jun 24, 2012 4:38 am Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He races a very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto at Mosport last weekend. He's a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut who has built his own car as many of us have. He experienced and overcame some of the problems a car can toss at you in its early events. Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com)? Russ Moore Spitfire #49 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Jun 24 06:27:17 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:27:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT In-Reply-To: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> References: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000f01cd5204$b18f0760$14ad1620$@rogers.com> Second, can't have enough Canucks. Welcome Vince. Paul MacDonald -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Spitfire Racing Sent: June 24, 2012 5:38 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: 'Donn Sopp'; vangoughv at hotmail.com Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He races a very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto at Mosport last weekend. He's a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut who has built his own car as many of us have. He experienced and overcame some of the problems a car can toss at you in its early events. Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com)? Russ Moore Spitfire #49 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From wmrampe at yahoo.com Sun Jun 24 06:31:21 2012 From: wmrampe at yahoo.com (William Rampe) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 05:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT In-Reply-To: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> References: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1340541081.80310.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I am glad to second. Vince is a great guy and a worthy addition to the group. B Bill Rampe Spitfire 311 >________________________________ >From: Spitfire Racing >To: fot at autox.team.net >Cc: vangoughv at hotmail.com; 'Mark Wheatley' ; 'Donn Sopp' ; 'Steven Groh' ; 'William Rampe' >Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:38 AM >Subject: new entry to FOT > > >I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He races a very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto at Mosport last weekend. Hebs a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut who has built his own car as many of us have. He experienced and overcame some of the problems a car can toss at you in its early events. >B >Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com)? >B >Russ Moore >Spitfire #49 >B >B From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 24 06:51:15 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:51:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT In-Reply-To: <1340539075.36711.YahooMailClassic@web88602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> <1340539075.36711.YahooMailClassic@web88602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201cd5208$0b134280$2139c780$@rr.com> Mike, I believe you are on the FOT list, if not please correct me-you should be, and do you have an e-mail for Pete so I can get him in the group. That TR-8 is on steroids for sure. Sounded like NASCAR came to town when he lit it up! Yep, GT-6.....hopefully we helped him and didn't hinder or scare him on the weekend. It's a difficult concept that "new" parts out of the box are crap and don't work, but I think he knows that now. The grin filled the helmet by Sunday and I have to think that day outweighed any problems earlier. Always a great event up there. Russ From: MIKE DEWEERD [mailto:deweerdm at rogers.com] Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 7:58 AM To: Spitfire Racing Subject: Re: [Fot] new entry to FOT Absolutely!! Seconds for Vince! You can see Vince build "brutus" on Classicmotorsports.net Awesome Guy and going to be a great racer....He held his line in corner three catching my Volvo adversary behind him allowing me the pass!!! GO TEAM TRIUMPH!! Vince and his GT6 also participated in the Toronto International Auto Show's 50 years of Triumph along with my TR4 and Pete Bulkowski's TR8. It's great to see another Triumph at Mosport (Canadian Tire Motorsports Park) And don't forget as a GT6 racer he's going to need all the help he can get :) Mike Deweerd TR4 #77 --- On Sun, 6/24/12, Spitfire Racing wrote: From: Spitfire Racing Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: "'Donn Sopp'" , vangoughv at hotmail.com Date: Sunday, June 24, 2012, 9:38 AM I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He races a very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto at Mosport last weekend. He's a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut who has built his own car as many of us have. He experienced and overcame some of the problems a car can toss at you in its early events. Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com )? Russ Moore Spitfire #49 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/deweerdm at rogers.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Jun 24 07:56:10 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 09:56:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Line question Message-ID: Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of course :) Thanks, Marty From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sun Jun 24 08:37:37 2012 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:37:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83D0DD51-DB00-4018-82F7-08B385E977AB@optonline.net> Hold your line. It's the over taking vehicles responsibility to go around you. On the straights it helps if u point them by. Good luck!! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2012, at 9:56 AM, marty sukey wrote: > Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I > have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to > keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much > slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I > am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that > leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following > car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this > weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see > how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers > maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next > opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As > I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars > out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I > know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would > you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you > notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of > course :) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jun 24 08:44:00 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:44:00 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601cd5217$cc233fc0$6469bf40$@com> The only thing I would say: Be predictable, do nothing to confuse the faster guys. I'm happy if the slower people maintain their line as I know then where they will be in a second. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von marty sukey Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. Juni 2012 15:56 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] Line question Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of course :) Thanks, Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 24 08:48:49 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:48:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009501cd5218$77b2ed40$6718c7c0$@rr.com> Marty, probably the safest way to go is stay on your line. Pointing someone by is good and shows them you know they're there. The worst thing you can do is change your line suddenly even if it is to let someone else by. Most folks understand slower traffic and it is ALWAYS up to the passing driver to be sure it is a safe pass. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 9:56 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Line question Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of course :) Thanks, Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Jun 24 09:34:43 2012 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:34:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: <83D0DD51-DB00-4018-82F7-08B385E977AB@optonline.net> References: <83D0DD51-DB00-4018-82F7-08B385E977AB@optonline.net> Message-ID: <563611CA-436B-4115-8429-2705B45ABD52@bnj.com> There's a lot of debate on this issue, here's my take: Be consistent. That's all anyone should ask of you. I'm not really fond of people pointing me by, they often point in a direction I don't want to go, and then make some kind of move that I need to work around. I hate it when they start talking about that at the drivers meeting. I don't know where this notion comes from, but the idea that a much slower driver should be in control of where the faster cars go seems completely absurd. I'd just as soon you left that up to me. At the very least, don't be surprised if I don't take your direction, and for certain don't dart around to support your choice of where I should be going. A lot of racers think "The Line" is a railroad track that they have to follow. What the racing line is, is the part of the track that you HAVE to be on if you're driving at the limit of your car and would like to stay on the track. Groups like Vintage under two liter (usually Group One) have a wide speed differential that hasn't got much to do with driver ability. On tracks where the Loti, Lolas, Poopers and Peyote are turning under 1:40 there are cars circulating at well over 2:00. Many of them "drive the line" with rigid determination, even though they could be anywhere on the track and still negotiate the turns. If you're in that later circumstance, coming into a fast sweeper, and see a snarling pack closing on you, you might not want to be swinging in for a classic late apex. I know that if I say something like "hey, you kind of closed the door on me" that they will invariably say "I was driving the Line". Other than that, just drive your car. Check your mirrors but don't drive your mirrors. You might spike my blood pressure if you squeeze me out of a line I wanted, but that's MY problem. I'll work it out, and I won't hit you (probably) Just kidding. On Jun 24, 2012, at 7:37 AM, Todd Redmond wrote: > Hold your line. It's the over taking vehicles responsibility to go around you. On the straights it helps if u point them by. Good luck!! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 24, 2012, at 9:56 AM, marty sukey wrote: > >> Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I >> have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to >> keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much >> slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I >> am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that >> leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following >> car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this >> weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see >> how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers >> maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next >> opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As >> I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars >> out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I >> know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would >> you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you >> notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of >> course :) >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Marty >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From sgroh1 at comcast.net Sun Jun 24 11:43:51 2012 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:43:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT In-Reply-To: <000f01cd5204$b18f0760$14ad1620$@rogers.com> References: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> <000f01cd5204$b18f0760$14ad1620$@rogers.com> Message-ID: I'll make it a third on Vince!! Good guy! Welcome to FoT Vince!! Steve Groh Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2012, at 8:27 AM, "Paul MacDonald" wrote: > Second, can't have enough Canucks. Welcome Vince. > > Paul MacDonald > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Spitfire Racing > Sent: June 24, 2012 5:38 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: 'Donn Sopp'; vangoughv at hotmail.com > Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT > > I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He races a > very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto at Mosport > last weekend. He's a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut who has built his > own car as many of us have. He experienced and overcame some of the problems > a car can toss at you in its early events. > > > > Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com)? > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1 at comcast.net From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 24 14:09:12 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:09:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT In-Reply-To: <956C59DF11FE4D09A01FD712FA9BC7CE@home> References: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> <000f01cd5204$b18f0760$14ad1620$@rogers.com> <956C59DF11FE4D09A01FD712FA9BC7CE@home> Message-ID: <00e601cd5245$39304c20$ab90e460$@rr.com> They passed those pills out at the driver's meeting................did you miss it?? russ -----Original Message----- From: Donn Sopp [mailto:chadd at odyssey.net] Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 6:46 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Spitfire Racing; fot at autox.team.net; vangoughv at hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] new entry to FOT Bring Vince into the fold. He has the enthusiasm to do it right and the attitude to carry on. Good people !!! Now can I get some extra HP from him? Donn Sopp Spitfire > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Spitfire Racing > Sent: June 24, 2012 5:38 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: 'Donn Sopp'; vangoughv at hotmail.com > Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT > > I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He > races a very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto > at Mosport last weekend. He's a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut > who has built his own car as many of us have. He experienced and > overcame some of the problems a car can toss at you in its early > events. > > > > Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com)? > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sun Jun 24 14:55:48 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:55:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8EC6C507-1FAB-43B0-A371-2241049A0938@yahoo.com> The only time I ever have a problem overtaking another car is when they are trying to get out of my way. So, my vote is hold the racing line. I will find the safe way around so we can both live to race another day. The only time I deem it necessary to drive off line is if your car is running way off pace and you are just trying to make it back to the pits. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2012, at 8:56 AM, marty sukey wrote: > Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I > have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to > keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much > slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I > am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that > leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following > car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this > weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see > how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers > maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next > opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As > I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars > out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I > know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would > you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you > notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of > course :) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sun Jun 24 18:27:56 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:27:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT In-Reply-To: <00e601cd5245$39304c20$ab90e460$@rr.com> References: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> <000f01cd5204$b18f0760$14ad1620$@rogers.com> <956C59DF11FE4D09A01FD712FA9BC7CE@home> <00e601cd5245$39304c20$ab90e460$@rr.com> Message-ID: LOl. Thanks gents it was a pleasure meeting at Mosport and I look forward to seeing you and other FOT in the future. On 2012-06-24, at 4:09 PM, "Spitfire Racing" wrote: > They passed those pills out at the driver's meeting................did you > miss it?? > russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donn Sopp [mailto:chadd at odyssey.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 6:46 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: Spitfire Racing; fot at autox.team.net; vangoughv at hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] new entry to FOT > > Bring Vince into the fold. He has the enthusiasm to do it right and the > attitude to carry on. Good people !!! > Now can I get some extra HP from him? > Donn Sopp > Spitfire > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of Spitfire Racing >> Sent: June 24, 2012 5:38 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Cc: 'Donn Sopp'; vangoughv at hotmail.com >> Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT >> >> I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He >> races a very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto >> at Mosport last weekend. He's a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut >> who has built his own car as many of us have. He experienced and >> overcame some of the problems a car can toss at you in its early >> events. >> >> >> >> Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com)? >> >> >> >> Russ Moore >> >> Spitfire #49 From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Jun 24 20:02:40 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 22:02:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: <8EC6C507-1FAB-43B0-A371-2241049A0938@yahoo.com> References: , <8EC6C507-1FAB-43B0-A371-2241049A0938@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Big thanks to all of you for your advice. I got it, hold the line! :) I will try and put that to practice when I get my next engine together. It should actually make it easier for me to drive that way as I found myself concentrating too much on keeping out of other peoples way than proper driving which I am sure did nothing for my lap times. I guess I just need to trust the fact that you will find a way around me. I am sure that as my confidence level grows that will be second nature. Thanks for tolerating me during my learning curve. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sun Jun 24 20:14:26 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 19:14:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FE7C982.1080606@comcast.net> Good advise from all. The one additional thing that I can add is that in our local SCCA vintage races, I often have a Formula Atlantic or a big bruiser of a Camaro closing on my Spitfire at 40-50 mph at the end of a straight or powering by me entering the straightaway. In these situations I make it abundantly clear that I see them, I'm staying outside and they have the line. On 6/24/2012 6:56 AM, marty sukey wrote: > Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I > have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to > keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much > slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I > am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that > leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following > car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this > weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see > how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers > maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next > opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As > I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars > out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I > know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would > you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you > notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of > course :) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From bownes at seiri.com Sun Jun 24 22:03:46 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 00:03:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: <8EC6C507-1FAB-43B0-A371-2241049A0938@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <06EBBFE3-5996-4A7B-82E1-A531CE9D2711@seiri.com> I have to add a short story of my own... While in one of my first races in the spit that Marty now has my little GP Spitfire was lumped in with all the other prod and GT classes. Given that there was a National several days later and an IMSA race the next week, there were a few of the local Big Bore teams doing test and tune. It came as no surprise to anyone to find an IMSA/GT1 car with a big name driver on the pole and me on the other end of the grid as the lone GP entry. At the driver's meeting I approached him and said I'd do my best to stay out of the way. He turned and said 'Just hold your line and drive your race son. Let me worry about getting around you.' Those words rang loudly in my head as I came into Turn one alone at the back of the pack about four or five laps later with his Camaro thundering down on me. I held my line, tracked out, he ducked inside of me and was gone. We repeated that a few more times and then took the checker about half a lap apart. It was no surprise that we both placed first in class. But the victory lap with the checkered flag was just as sweet. We raced one more time in the following years. I was sorry when he left us a couple of years ago, especially since one of his first race cars was a TR6. Bob On Jun 24, 2012, at 22:02, marty sukey wrote: > Big thanks to all of you for your advice. I got it, hold the line! :) I will > try and put that to practice when I get my next engine together. It should > actually make it easier for me to drive that way as I found myself > concentrating too much on keeping out of other peoples way than proper driving > which I am sure did nothing for my lap times. I guess I just need to trust the > fact that you will find a way around me. I am sure that as my confidence level > grows that will be second nature. Thanks for tolerating me during my learning > curve. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Jun 25 06:03:09 2012 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 07:03:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: <06EBBFE3-5996-4A7B-82E1-A531CE9D2711@seiri.com> References: <8EC6C507-1FAB-43B0-A371-2241049A0938@yahoo.com> <06EBBFE3-5996-4A7B-82E1-A531CE9D2711@seiri.com> Message-ID: <05A7F7FF-5273-4346-A9E8-12E3094F1DCE@wi.rr.com> Bob, Great story and great advice. PLN was a class act! Allen On Jun 24, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri wrote: > I have to add a short story of my own... > > While in one of my first races in the spit that Marty now has my > little GP > Spitfire was lumped in with all the other prod and GT classes. Given > that > there was a National several days later and an IMSA race the next > week, there > were a few of the local Big Bore teams doing test and tune. > > It came as no surprise to anyone to find an IMSA/GT1 car with a big > name > driver on the pole and me on the other end of the grid as the lone > GP entry. > > At the driver's meeting I approached him and said I'd do my best to > stay out > of the way. He turned and said 'Just hold your line and drive your > race son. > Let me worry about getting around you.' Those words rang loudly in > my head as > I came into Turn one alone at the back of the pack about four or > five laps > later with his Camaro thundering down on me. I held my line, tracked > out, he > ducked inside of me and was gone. We repeated that a few more times > and then > took the checker about half a lap apart. > > It was no surprise that we both placed first in class. But the > victory lap > with the checkered flag was just as sweet. > > We raced one more time in the following years. I was sorry when he > left us a > couple of years ago, especially since one of his first race cars was > a TR6. > > Bob > > > > On Jun 24, 2012, at 22:02, marty sukey wrote: > >> Big thanks to all of you for your advice. I got it, hold the >> line! :) I > will >> try and put that to practice when I get my next engine together. It >> should >> actually make it easier for me to drive that way as I found myself >> concentrating too much on keeping out of other peoples way than >> proper > driving >> which I am sure did nothing for my lap times. I guess I just need >> to trust > the >> fact that you will find a way around me. I am sure that as my >> confidence > level >> grows that will be second nature. Thanks for tolerating me during my > learning >> curve. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Jody & Allen Washatko W51 N664 Highland Drive Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 617-6801 From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jun 25 12:04:06 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 13:04:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Marty... looks like you got all the verbal advice you need. I have also wanted to mention to you for a while... Since you are in Ohio (not exactly sure where), perhaps you'd like to consider coming to a Midwestern Council drivers school at Blackhawk Farms. Next one's Aug 25 and 26th You cannot beat that school for both knowledge gain and quality track time. Every possible race scenario is thrown at you and the instruction is top notch. Many of FoT's top drivers have started there. Let me know if you have interest in running ANY of our events and I will be happy to help you with anything you need. We've got a pretty good group of fellow FoT'ers out there. Some of them will actually help crew and fix your car.... for beer. Here's a link to the MCSCC website if you have any interest. http://www.mcscc.org/index.php Hope to see you out there sometime! Somehow I missed you and lost out on trying your home brew at the Mitty. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jun 25 15:53:06 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:53:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ? Message-ID: What is the best source for synchronizers for a TR close ratio box? Sent from my iPhone From triosan at gmail.com Mon Jun 25 16:12:42 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:12:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Presume you mean synchro rings. I just ordered those "expensive ones" from Moss -- will let you know how they compare to what I have [both from a TR4 and a late TR6 box]. They run about $35 each. Othrs have them from $6-12. Hope there is a difference. The rings on the box where the syncro hub destroyed itself needed to be replace. The ones in the TR4 box I bought for parts [hub and main shaft] were different from the TR6 ones. Chuck On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:53 PM, John Hasty wrote: > What is the best source for synchronizers for a TR close ratio box? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From garygret at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 25 16:13:53 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1340662433.68204.YahooMailRC@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'd vote for John Esposito, QuantumMechanics. A couple years ago I tried Moss and TRF ones but they had distressingly little friction on the cones new out of the package. John's felt nice and have worked nice for a couple seasons where others graunched in a couple races. http://www.quantumechanics.com/index.php Gary Schneider ________________________________ From: John Hasty To: FOT Sent: Mon, June 25, 2012 4:56:38 PM Subject: [Fot] ? What is the best source for synchronizers for a TR close ratio box? From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Jun 25 16:19:09 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:19:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question Message-ID: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> I discovered a problem with the transmission I built for my TR250. This is one of the first ones I ever rebuilt and I screwed up. I've discovered it has no reverse. Reverse is activated by a lever that engages in a slot in the reverse gear on one end and it engages into the shift rod at the other end. It pivots on what looks like a stud that protrudes through the housing with a big nyloc nut on the outside. My problem is that the lever is not engaged in the slot on the gear. I think I know the answer to this question, but I thought I would ask. Is there any way to get the lever lose so I can reposition it in the gear without disassembling the transmission. Or, is there any other way to fix this without a complete disassembly? TIA Larry Young From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Mon Jun 25 17:16:07 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:16:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Dual Valve Springs (Update) References: <217B40DB-5333-4B3D-9AAA-6584D4274AA5@yahoo.com> Message-ID: After using the cord method to keep the valves closed as recommended by Kas, I removed one very broken inner exhaust spring and a torn up shim in number 4. I did a leak down before I started and all was good. Surprised to find rubber valve seats and bronze guides! Then I noticed a few other inner springs that were suspect and ended up pulling the head. Found that 6 of 8 inner valve springs were broken. Pulled the lifters and found pitting on 3 lifter faces. I would expect that the previous owner's engine builder did not get the rocker geometry right or put together their own spring set up with the inners being a bit too long. At this point, I am going to replace/upgrade the lifters, get rid of the Paeco cam, and put in the Isky valve springs I got from Jim Gray so that I know what I have. Thx for the help folks. Ty >> >> > From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com >> > Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:10:15 -0600 >> > To: fot at autox.team.net >> > Subject: [Fot] Dual Valve Springs >> > >> > I had a miss at high rpms. My distributor had a lot of wobble at the top of >> > the shaft so replaced it. Although it ran stronger at low speeds, the miss at >> > high rpms was still there. I pulled the valve cover and found the number 4 >> > inner valve spring was broken. Thanks to Jim Gray (again) for suggesting I >> > check this. >> > >> > I am wondering what may have caused this. I am also wondering if I should >> > pull the head to see if it caused any damage but since it ran very smooth at >> > low rpms, I am thinking I was just getting some valve float at high rpms. >> > >> > I am going to replace all the springs at this point to make sure. I think I >> > can raise the piston to TDC for each cylinder, and use the valve spring >> > compressor for on head removal. Have others done spring replacements this way >> > or should I just pull the head? >> > >> > Finally, what springs do folks use? In searching the web, it seems rare to >> > see a valve spring break, but I have not heard what experiences other FOT >> > users have had. I have a Paeco 6600 rpm cam, titanium retainers, and chrome >> > moly push rods as well as a rebuilt rocker assembly, but those roller rockers >> > sure do look nice! >> > >> > Thanks in advance for your helpful advice and Happy Fathers Day to all the >> > dads out there. >> > >> > Ty >> > >> > >> > Sent from my iPad >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jun 25 17:16:47 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:16:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> References: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> Message-ID: Larry, I think you may be able to fix it by just taking of the top cover off. Speaking of the Gt6 box: I have fixed both of those problems with the trans in the car. The side stud definitely... One time, that side stud you speak of with the nyloc nut, just fell out during a race. I drove home and stole one out of my dad's trans, replaced it, refilled the fluid... and raced the next day. A good flashlight, tiny hands and lots of patience are needed but it can be done... As far as the lever at the top, that should also just be a matter of everything being lined up as you slide the top cover down into alignment over the gear. (there is only one spot it (the lever guided by a dowel pin) should be and you have to be very careful upon lowering it into place) Pretty sure you should be able to do it without taking anything out of the car but... Caution: not sure if all mentioned systems are the same with the 250...but yes on the GT6. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Larry Young wrote: > I discovered a problem with the transmission I built for my TR250. This > is one of the first ones I ever rebuilt and I screwed up. I've discovered > it has no reverse. Reverse is activated by a lever that engages in a slot > in the reverse gear on one end and it engages into the shift rod at the > other end. It pivots on what looks like a stud that protrudes through the > housing with a big nyloc nut on the outside. My problem is that the lever > is not engaged in the slot on the gear. I think I know the answer to this > question, but I thought I would ask. Is there any way to get the lever > lose so I can reposition it in the gear without disassembling the > transmission. Or, is there any other way to fix this without a complete > disassembly? TIA > Larry Young > ______________________________**_________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** > multivintage.com From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Jun 25 17:30:27 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:30:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: References: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4FE8F493.70005@pobox.com> My problem is not with the main shaft but with the little idler gear on the small reverse shaft. I need to get it positioned so it engages the lever. If you go to the online manual http://www.vtr.org/maintain/TransRebuild/TRTrans02.pdf and look at the late model transmission blow up. The lever I'm talking about is labeled #63. The bottom of that lever needs to engage in the slot on the reverse idler gear, #68. I remember these are always getting miss located during a rebuild and you need to wire it in place. I probably didn't know that when I built this one. There must be a clever way to fix this without a complete tear down. Larry On 6/25/2012 5:38 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > Larry, > Having done the getting small reverse in front of the large one on > the mainshaft several times in my recent rebuilt practice I can report > that I have been able to get it lined up such that I could move it > back to where it belongs without having to disassemble [I think -- > hope that was with rear bearing in]. > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Larry Young > wrote: > > I discovered a problem with the transmission I built for my TR250. > This is one of the first ones I ever rebuilt and I screwed up. > I've discovered it has no reverse. Reverse is activated by a > lever that engages in a slot in the reverse gear on one end and it > engages into the shift rod at the other end. It pivots on what > looks like a stud that protrudes through the housing with a big > nyloc nut on the outside. My problem is that the lever is not > engaged in the slot on the gear. I think I know the answer to > this question, but I thought I would ask. Is there any way to get > the lever lose so I can reposition it in the gear without > disassembling the transmission. Or, is there any other way to fix > this without a complete disassembly? TIA > Larry Young > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > > > > -- > Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jun 25 18:56:24 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:56:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Line question References: , <8EC6C507-1FAB-43B0-A371-2241049A0938@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Marty, a lot of good advice. Missed you Sunday, were you there? I had an 8:15 race and was done for the weekend. Had a good time: knocked 6 seconds off last year's time. Not bad! As a pal of mine says: if you can drive the car onto the trailer after your last race, it's a good weekend. Good seeing you at Mid Ohio. How's the engine thing coming? Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Line question > Big thanks to all of you for your advice. I got it, hold the line! :) I > will > try and put that to practice when I get my next engine together. It should > actually make it easier for me to drive that way as I found myself > concentrating too much on keeping out of other peoples way than proper > driving > which I am sure did nothing for my lap times. I guess I just need to trust > the > fact that you will find a way around me. I am sure that as my confidence > level > grows that will be second nature. Thanks for tolerating me during my > learning > curve. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jun 25 19:10:30 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:10:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine Message-ID: <000601cd5338$7b383e90$71a8bbb0$@com> This is just a "For What it's Worth" for those faced with replacing the wet liners. When I replaced the liners on our engine back in 2008 I had a difficult time measuring the .004 to .005 stick out above the block. Apparently I got it right because we had no problems. Shortly after finishing that job I saw an "indicator holder" that looked like it would make the job pretty simple and give accurate, repeatable results very quickly. The tool is made by Moroso, the part number is MOR-62050 and it can be seen at www.summitracing.com website. It's basically a "U" shaped bracket about 1 inch wide and 1/2 inch thick with 3 holes to mount an indicator in one of the 3 positions. It is just long enough to bridge the liner. With a 1 inch travel dial indicator mounted it was a simple matter to measure the stick out and get very repeatable results. I had zeroed the indicator on a ground bar so I had a good known zero. The bottoms of the "legs" of the "U" were milled surfaces that looked a bit rough so I polished them to a ground finish with emery and crocus cloth. The one concern I still have is that the top of our 50 year old block is not in the best of shape as far as being a "qualified surface" from which to make a measurement. The best I could do was to polish the block a little bit at the points the indicator holder sat on it. Tim From igofaster at att.net Mon Jun 25 19:26:04 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] scca Message-ID: <1340673964.34149.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> seems like the folks at SCCA thought I was experienced enough to by-pass the SCCA requirements to let me stand on my own record and incident free racing experiences... they issued me a LICENSE to race in SCCA.... now.... if I knew how to drive the GTA car I could really go out there and use it.... Bobby Whitehead From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jun 25 19:43:04 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:43:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine In-Reply-To: <000601cd5338$7b383e90$71a8bbb0$@com> References: <000601cd5338$7b383e90$71a8bbb0$@com> Message-ID: <0ad301cd533d$08b8ed60$1a2ac820$@rr.com> > It is > just long enough to bridge the liner. If it will only bridge the liner, how are you measuring to the block surface? Even if it will bridge the block side to side, it seems to me you wouldn't be checking the liner protrusion on both sides (which has proven to be a problem with my street engines). Some other thoughts: If your block surface is not flat to within .001" over short distances, you need a new block or at least a new surface. I've never had any trouble using a straight edge and feeler gauges. If you want to make it a bit easier, get a straight edge that is wide enough to stand up by itself. Hold it down with one thumb, and run a feeler gauge between it and the block deck. This is a TRactor motor, being off by .001" won't hurt. In my case, the protrusion was spot-on on one side; and nearly zero on the other side. I'm embarrassed to admit how many years it took me to figure out why I could never keep a head gasket sealed for more than a few months. -- Randall From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jun 25 19:57:08 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:57:08 +0000 Subject: [Fot] scca In-Reply-To: <1340673964.34149.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1340673964.34149.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <116865243-1340675826-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-671065733-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> Do just that, "use it" and abuse it. For me, I see it as a totally replaceble piece of machinery that I would drive at the absolute limit. I compare my driving now to my championship kart racing days... Its totally different. Now I care about my precious "irreplaceable" Triumph to much. It makes me too cautious, because I want to put it on the trailer unscathed after a race. When I raced Karts I never once thought about my kart making it back on the trailer looking good. I drove to win. Period. Drive that ugly, common, piece of sh#t to the absolute f'ing limit of adhesion. Win all your races in "GTA" and beat the snot out of it road warrior style. That's what I would do. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:26:04 To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] scca seems like the folks at SCCA thought I was experienced enough to by-pass the SCCA requirements to let me stand on my own record and incident free racing experiences... they issued me a LICENSE to race in SCCA.... now.... if I knew how to drive the GTA car I could really go out there and use it.... Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jun 25 20:33:50 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:33:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine In-Reply-To: <0ad301cd533d$08b8ed60$1a2ac820$@rr.com> References: <000601cd5338$7b383e90$71a8bbb0$@com> <0ad301cd533d$08b8ed60$1a2ac820$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000401cd5344$1f609fc0$5e21df40$@com> I sent some photos to Randall showing the use of the indicator holder. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:43 PM To: 'Tim Murphy'; fot at autox.team.net Cc: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov Subject: RE: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine > It is > just long enough to bridge the liner. If it will only bridge the liner, how are you measuring to the block surface? Even if it will bridge the block side to side, it seems to me you wouldn't be checking the liner protrusion on both sides (which has proven to be a problem with my street engines). Some other thoughts: If your block surface is not flat to within .001" over short distances, you need a new block or at least a new surface. I've never had any trouble using a straight edge and feeler gauges. If you want to make it a bit easier, get a straight edge that is wide enough to stand up by itself. Hold it down with one thumb, and run a feeler gauge between it and the block deck. This is a TRactor motor, being off by .001" won't hurt. In my case, the protrusion was spot-on on one side; and nearly zero on the other side. I'm embarrassed to admit how many years it took me to figure out why I could never keep a head gasket sealed for more than a few months. -- Randall From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Mon Jun 25 23:12:53 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , , <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, , , , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> Message-ID: <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Just wondered if anyone had experienced this and might know where this oil is coming from. Oil collects on the outside lip of the valve cover at the back of the engine. I have a new cap on the valve cover and the hose exit on the side of the valve cover is plumbed to a clear jar that collects no oil at all ever. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jim From garygret at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 25 23:39:50 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1340689190.84455.YahooMailRC@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Marty, I know you already had several replies in the same vein but I wanted to add kind of an exclamation mark. At an SCCA or MC school it is emphasized that you not only should, you MUST stay on your line when another car is overtaking or risk a black flag. You need to remain stable and predictable so the oncoming driver can get around you trusting where you'll be: he'll just set up his own line to be where you're not, quick and safe. There is a natural tendency to think it is polite to go off line to make way, but that can wreck cars. By veering off-line you become unpredictable and dangerous, forcing the passer to suddenly change his planned course and guess where you're going next. Plus by going into the marbles or pinching your line you risk spinning yourself out and getting T-boned. You make everyone's life smoother and safer by staying on-line. Regards, Gary Schneider ________________________________ From: marty sukey To: FOT Sent: Sun, June 24, 2012 9:13:53 AM Subject: [Fot] Line question Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of course :) Thanks, Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net From rjohns at woh.rr.com Mon Jun 25 23:05:14 2012 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:05:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 67, Issue 35 References: Message-ID: <29914EBA85EE406F8B43BC190021A2BB@Bucktailus> Re: Joe Alexander and FOT Team From R. Johns Joe was right on target with his mentioning that Jean and I were probably near by. We just got back from the TRA National at Little Switzerland, N.C. It was a great meet held at the Switzerland Inn, right next to the Blue Ridge Parkway. The alternate road to the Inn, N.C. 226 A, is called the Diamondback and is suggested for Motorcycles and Sports cars. It would make a great Hill Climb. The Inn was very nice and great food. It is recommended as a good get away destination. Bob Johns From clw2000 at msn.com Tue Jun 26 04:58:18 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:58:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] scca In-Reply-To: <1340673964.34149.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1340673964.34149.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ah yes, the "oh crap, they gave me what I asked for" feeling......I know it well! Good luck Bobby! Chuck > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:26:04 -0700 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] scca > > seems like the folks at SCCA thought I was experienced enough to by-pass the > SCCA requirements to let me stand on my own record and incident free racing > experiences... > they issued me a LICENSE to race in SCCA.... now.... if I knew how to drive the > GTA car I could really go out there and use it.... > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Tue Jun 26 05:15:20 2012 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:15:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Need to move a car from NE Ohio to Seattle Message-ID: <3F3C624131224A1588AD93C09B11AFBA@UserTHINK> List I need to move my sonbs car from NE Ohio to Seattle WA. so that I can have more space for my TR. Anyone headed that way? I can deliver it to as far west as Chicago area if need be. JVV From tr4.tony at virgin.net Tue Jun 26 05:16:54 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:16:54 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net> <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com> <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com> <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com> <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com> <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com> <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim This might be due to air pressure in the valve cover, indicating that you have some has leaking upward from the head / gasket. Some pressure is normal of course and it my be just that you are not venting enough air. If you're not using a big enough catch tank or pipes this will be the result as the point of least resistance is the valve cover gasket, so it blows first. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jun 2012, at 06:12, sherry robyn wrote: > Just wondered if anyone had experienced this and might know where this oil is > coming from. Oil collects on the outside lip of the valve cover at the back > of > the engine. I have a new cap on the valve cover and the hose exit on the > side > of the valve cover is plumbed to a clear jar that collects no oil at all > ever. > Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Jun 26 07:23:07 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:23:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Message-ID: <0EB613025398438481A43501F6F24741@owner8914bbf7f> Hi All, I got home from Mid Ohio and checked the mail. There's a great article in Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car August issue about the Spitfire. Actually several articles, one of which was penned by a Mike Cook. Name sounded kind of familiar. Isn't he a FOT member?! Good job Mike. Great writeups about the Spit. Cheers, Bill From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jun 26 08:08:59 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:08:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 67, Issue 35 In-Reply-To: <29914EBA85EE406F8B43BC190021A2BB@Bucktailus> References: <29914EBA85EE406F8B43BC190021A2BB@Bucktailus> Message-ID: Yea! We used to run time distance rallies up that road and stay at the lodge back in the 60's John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Johns Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 1:05 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 67, Issue 35 Re: Joe Alexander and FOT Team From R. Johns Joe was right on target with his mentioning that Jean and I were probably near by. We just got back from the TRA National at Little Switzerland, N.C. It was a great meet held at the Switzerland Inn, right next to the Blue Ridge Parkway. The alternate road to the Inn, N.C. 226 A, is called the Diamondback and is suggested for Motorcycles and Sports cars. It would make a great Hill Climb. The Inn was very nice and great food. It is recommended as a good get away destination. Bob Johns _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jun 26 08:11:35 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:11:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4EFBEE0BE9A4435599DA27EAD9C01405@gdhs.local> If you are running a fined aloy cover, I have found that some of them are a poor casting and they leak through the walls of the cover...... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sherry robyn Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 1:13 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover Just wondered if anyone had experienced this and might know where this oil is coming from. Oil collects on the outside lip of the valve cover at the back of the engine. I have a new cap on the valve cover and the hose exit on the side of the valve cover is plumbed to a clear jar that collects no oil at all ever. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jim _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From kaskas at cox.net Tue Jun 26 08:17:31 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:17:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine In-Reply-To: <0ad301cd533d$08b8ed60$1a2ac820$@rr.com> References: <000601cd5338$7b383e90$71a8bbb0$@com>, <0ad301cd533d$08b8ed60$1a2ac820$@rr.com> Message-ID: I do not remember ever measuring a sleeve where the dimensions proud were the same on each side. Oh well. Never be beaten by equipment > From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com > To: timmurph at fastbytes.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:43:04 -0700 > CC: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov > Subject: Re: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine > > > It is > > just long enough to bridge the liner. > > If it will only bridge the liner, how are you measuring to the block > surface? > > Even if it will bridge the block side to side, it seems to me you wouldn't > be checking the liner protrusion on both sides (which has proven to be a > problem with my street engines). > > Some other thoughts: > > If your block surface is not flat to within .001" over short distances, you > need a new block or at least a new surface. > > I've never had any trouble using a straight edge and feeler gauges. If you > want to make it a bit easier, get a straight edge that is wide enough to > stand up by itself. Hold it down with one thumb, and run a feeler gauge > between it and the block deck. This is a TRactor motor, being off by .001" > won't hurt. > > In my case, the protrusion was spot-on on one side; and nearly zero on the > other side. I'm embarrassed to admit how many years it took me to figure > out why I could never keep a head gasket sealed for more than a few months. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From mlcooknj at msn.com Tue Jun 26 08:30:10 2012 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:30:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire In-Reply-To: <0EB613025398438481A43501F6F24741@owner8914bbf7f> References: <0EB613025398438481A43501F6F24741@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: Thanks Bill but I didn't actually write it! Credit goes to Mark McCourt, their Associate Editor, who came down to interview me and get pictures. Mike > From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:23:07 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire > > Hi All, > I got home from Mid Ohio and checked the mail. > There's a great article in Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car August issue about the > Spitfire. Actually several articles, one of which was penned by a Mike Cook. > Name sounded kind of familiar. Isn't he a FOT member?! > Good job Mike. > Great writeups about the Spit. > Cheers, Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue Jun 26 08:40:55 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:40:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> Jim, I race a 69 TR6 with a chrome valve cover and I see that oil quite a bit. My steel cover is not porous and the only place I can point to is the three seals on top of the cover. I also use a silicone gasket and know its not leaking there. I also have an auxiliary oil feed to the head, which increases oil flow under the cover. I did have a good seal once and it was using a faucet washer that I drilled out the center to fit snugly over the bolt. I'm now using the seals that came with the silicone gasket because they are easier to take off, they are 2 SS washers with seals on them, one on the bottom and one on the inside. The only other point I'd guess it's coming from is the hose where it attaches to the valve cover, but mine is a real tight seal. Good luck and it'll be interesting what theories come up. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 10:12 PM Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover > Just wondered if anyone had experienced this and might know where this oil > is > coming from. Oil collects on the outside lip of the valve cover at the > back > of > the engine. I have a new cap on the valve cover and the hose exit on the > side > of the valve cover is plumbed to a clear jar that collects no oil at all > ever. > Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jun 26 08:47:23 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:47:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: References: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4FE9CB7B.20301@pobox.com> Jason, I have taken that outer nut off, double nutted it and tried to turn the stud. I cannot get it to budge. How do you get it out? I'm not clear about how that part goes together, since that is not something I ever bother with during a rebuild. It looks like it has threads on both ends with a shoulder in the center. Unless I can get that stud out, I can only think of getting the shaft lose at the back ot the tranny and sliding it out to engage the reverse gear. That would mean taking the OD off the back or at least creating enough separation to losen the screw that locks the reverse shaft and lay shaft in position. I repeat, engagement in the top cover is easy and not my problem. Larry On 6/25/2012 6:16 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Larry, > I think you may be able to fix it by just taking of the top cover off. > Speaking of the Gt6 box: I have fixed both of those problems with the > trans in the car. The side stud definitely... One time, that side stud > you speak of with the nyloc nut, just fell out during a race. I drove > home and stole one out of my dad's trans, replaced it, refilled the > fluid... and raced the next day. A good flashlight, tiny hands and > lots of patience are needed but it can be done... From ponobill at gmail.com Tue Jun 26 09:06:09 2012 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:06:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine In-Reply-To: References: <000601cd5338$7b383e90$71a8bbb0$@com>, <0ad301cd533d$08b8ed60$1a2ac820$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4AE85196-ABD0-4095-B9E9-290CA9362CF4@bnj.com> Me neither. I've never viewed that as an opportunity for precision. As long as it catches my fingernail all the way around, and not a lot more than that, I figured it's good. On Jun 26, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > I do not remember ever measuring a sleeve where the dimensions proud were the > same on each side. Oh well. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com >> To: timmurph at fastbytes.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:43:04 -0700 >> CC: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the > TR4 engine >> >>> It is >>> just long enough to bridge the liner. >> >> If it will only bridge the liner, how are you measuring to the block >> surface? >> >> Even if it will bridge the block side to side, it seems to me you wouldn't >> be checking the liner protrusion on both sides (which has proven to be a >> problem with my street engines). >> >> Some other thoughts: >> >> If your block surface is not flat to within .001" over short distances, you >> need a new block or at least a new surface. >> >> I've never had any trouble using a straight edge and feeler gauges. If you >> want to make it a bit easier, get a straight edge that is wide enough to >> stand up by itself. Hold it down with one thumb, and run a feeler gauge >> between it and the block deck. This is a TRactor motor, being off by .001" >> won't hurt. >> >> In my case, the protrusion was spot-on on one side; and nearly zero on the >> other side. I'm embarrassed to admit how many years it took me to figure >> out why I could never keep a head gasket sealed for more than a few months. >> >> -- Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue Jun 26 09:11:47 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:11:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> Message-ID: <364E2143-B746-44CD-A5D8-9C8559E3B19C@gmail.com> Jim, You might try this type of washer, an aluminum washer with a bonded-on split O-ring. The O-ring protrudes on either side of the washer. I use these to seal up my Morgan's Moss gearbox. Hopefully the url will come through if written thus: tinyurl dot com (slash) 6qz79j9 . This is likely not the right diameter, but the website carries other ID washers. Also, might oil be wicking up the threads of the fastener? Duncan (Texas) > > > >> Just wondered if anyone had experienced this and might know where this oil is >> coming from. Oil collects on the outside lip of the valve cover at the back >> of >> the engine. I have a new cap on the valve cover and the hose exit on the >> side >> of the valve cover is plumbed to a clear jar that collects no oil at all >> ever. >> Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jim From chasgee at aol.com Tue Jun 26 09:16:46 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:16:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <4FE9CB7B.20301@pobox.com> References: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> <4FE9CB7B.20301@pobox.com> Message-ID: <3A6E572C-06F2-4608-A367-A35A27660C3B@aol.com> That stud is splined into the case. You won't be able to turn it. I think you will have to pull off the rear housing, slide the reverse gear shaft out, and make sure it goes back together with the lever properly engaged with the reverse gear. Good luck! Chuck On Jun 26, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Larry Young wrote: > Jason, I have taken that outer nut off, double nutted it and tried to turn the stud. I cannot get it to budge. How do you get it out? I'm not clear about how that part goes together, since that is not something I ever bother with during a rebuild. It looks like it has threads on both ends with a shoulder in the center. > > Unless I can get that stud out, I can only think of getting the shaft lose at the back ot the tranny and sliding it out to engage the reverse gear. That would mean taking the OD off the back or at least creating enough separation to losen the screw that locks the reverse shaft and lay shaft in position. > > I repeat, engagement in the top cover is easy and not my problem. > Larry > > On 6/25/2012 6:16 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: >> Larry, >> I think you may be able to fix it by just taking of the top cover off. >> Speaking of the Gt6 box: I have fixed both of those problems with the trans in the car. The side stud definitely... One time, that side stud you speak of with the nyloc nut, just fell out during a race. I drove home and stole one out of my dad's trans, replaced it, refilled the fluid... and raced the next day. A good flashlight, tiny hands and lots of patience are needed but it can be done... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From jason at multivintage.com Tue Jun 26 09:17:22 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:17:22 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question Message-ID: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> Got it. Top is ok, your after the lower lever Mine came out and went in as a whole piece. Kind of like a bolt. In fact I almost, in a pinch replaced it with a regular bolt but then wondered about the proper length, etc . You'll have to get that stud out. Perhaps some heat and good tight vise grips and replace the stud once you get it out. As you say, I can't see you getting the movement you need without extracting the stud. Being threaded inside the shaft and the side of the case (I can't remember exactly, but believe it may step down in thread size slipping through the case) but threading into the rod. I could see it being really stuck but she'll come out. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Larry Young To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission Question Sent: Jun 26, 2012 9:47 AM Jason, I have taken that outer nut off, double nutted it and tried to turn the stud. I cannot get it to budge. How do you get it out? I'm not clear about how that part goes together, since that is not something I ever bother with during a rebuild. It looks like it has threads on both ends with a shoulder in the center. Unless I can get that stud out, I can only think of getting the shaft lose at the back ot the tranny and sliding it out to engage the reverse gear. That would mean taking the OD off the back or at least creating enough separation to losen the screw that locks the reverse shaft and lay shaft in position. I repeat, engagement in the top cover is easy and not my problem. Larry On 6/25/2012 6:16 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Larry, > I think you may be able to fix it by just taking of the top cover off. > Speaking of the Gt6 box: I have fixed both of those problems with the > trans in the car. The side stud definitely... One time, that side stud > you speak of with the nyloc nut, just fell out during a race. I drove > home and stole one out of my dad's trans, replaced it, refilled the > fluid... and raced the next day. A good flashlight, tiny hands and > lots of patience are needed but it can be done... > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From jason at multivintage.com Tue Jun 26 09:26:50 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:26:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <3A6E572C-06F2-4608-A367-A35A27660C3B@aol.com> References: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> <4FE9CB7B.20301@pobox.com> <3A6E572C-06F2-4608-A367-A35A27660C3B@aol.com> Message-ID: <1800409692-1340724410-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1623669863-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> Well, interesting, Chuck says it doesn't come out. Perhaps, mine is different? I've removed it from more than one and replaced it to work o.k. Maybe messing with another spare unit will give you more helpful clues Good luck from me to. I'd like to know what you find in the end. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: chasgee at aol.com Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:16:46 To: Larry Young Cc: Jason Ostrowski; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission Question That stud is splined into the case. You won't be able to turn it. I think you will have to pull off the rear housing, slide the reverse gear shaft out, and make sure it goes back together with the lever properly engaged with the reverse gear. Good luck! Chuck On Jun 26, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Larry Young wrote: > Jason, I have taken that outer nut off, double nutted it and tried to turn the stud. I cannot get it to budge. How do you get it out? I'm not clear about how that part goes together, since that is not something I ever bother with during a rebuild. It looks like it has threads on both ends with a shoulder in the center. > > Unless I can get that stud out, I can only think of getting the shaft lose at the back ot the tranny and sliding it out to engage the reverse gear. That would mean taking the OD off the back or at least creating enough separation to losen the screw that locks the reverse shaft and lay shaft in position. > > I repeat, engagement in the top cover is easy and not my problem. > Larry > > On 6/25/2012 6:16 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: >> Larry, >> I think you may be able to fix it by just taking of the top cover off. >> Speaking of the Gt6 box: I have fixed both of those problems with the trans in the car. The side stud definitely... One time, that side stud you speak of with the nyloc nut, just fell out during a race. I drove home and stole one out of my dad's trans, replaced it, refilled the fluid... and raced the next day. A good flashlight, tiny hands and lots of patience are needed but it can be done... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Jun 26 09:29:09 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:29:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine In-Reply-To: <000401cd5344$1f609fc0$5e21df40$@com> References: <000601cd5338$7b383e90$71a8bbb0$@com><0ad301cd533d$08b8ed60$1a2ac820$@rr.com> <000401cd5344$1f609fc0$5e21df40$@com> Message-ID: <077c01cd53b0$6eb270f0$0601a8c0@randall> > I sent some photos to Randall showing the use of the indicator holder. Thanks, Tim. What Tim's photos show (and I stupidly didn't understand) is that the legs of the holder can rest on the block surface on either side, while the indicator mounted in one of the side holes (near one of the legs of the holder) rests on top of the liner next to the side. By reversing the bracket, the indicator measures the other side of the liner. I was thinking in terms of the holder I have, which is only tapped for the indicator in the center and will only (about) reach from side to side of the liner, not out to the block deck. (It was cheap at a yard sale, I only bought it for the indicator.) -- Randall From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Jun 26 09:47:25 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> References: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <8CF21CA1DCCD28C-CF8-19212@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> I missed the original post. Is the issue with the reverse lever pivot pin? If so, the stud is pressed in, the outer locknut comes off, whack, the assembly comes out from the inside. Glen -----Original Message----- From: jason To: Larry Young Cc: FOT Sent: Tue, Jun 26, 2012 11:30 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission Question Got it. Top is ok, your after the lower lever Mine came out and went in as a whole piece. Kind of like a bolt. In fact I almost, in a pinch replaced it with a regular bolt but then wondered about the proper length, etc . You'll have to get that stud out. Perhaps some heat and good tight vise grips and replace the stud once you get it out. As you say, I can't see you getting the movement you need without extracting the stud. Being threaded inside the shaft and the side of the case (I can't remember exactly, but believe it may step down in thread size slipping through the case) but threading into the rod. I could see it being really stuck but she'll come out. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Larry Young To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission Question Sent: Jun 26, 2012 9:47 AM Jason, I have taken that outer nut off, double nutted it and tried to turn the stud. I cannot get it to budge. How do you get it out? I'm not clear about how that part goes together, since that is not something I ever bother with during a rebuild. It looks like it has threads on both ends with a shoulder in the center. Unless I can get that stud out, I can only think of getting the shaft lose at the back ot the tranny and sliding it out to engage the reverse gear. That would mean taking the OD off the back or at least creating enough separation to losen the screw that locks the reverse shaft and lay shaft in position. I repeat, engagement in the top cover is easy and not my problem. Larry On 6/25/2012 6:16 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Larry, > I think you may be able to fix it by just taking of the top cover off. > Speaking of the Gt6 box: I have fixed both of those problems with the > trans in the car. The side stud definitely... One time, that side stud > you speak of with the nyloc nut, just fell out during a race. I drove > home and stole one out of my dad's trans, replaced it, refilled the > fluid... and raced the next day. A good flashlight, tiny hands and > lots of patience are needed but it can be done... > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From chasgee at aol.com Tue Jun 26 09:58:36 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:58:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> References: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <19DD41FD-224A-4F44-8E07-EE959827DBAF@aol.com> The TR4/6 and the GT6/Spitfire/4 speed Tr7 boxes are different. The lever is threaded onto the shaft on the TR box and you have to hammer it into the box to remove it. It isn't that hard to take the rear housing off. You can fix it in about 30 minutes. On Jun 26, 2012, at 8:17 AM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > Got it. Top is ok, your after the lower lever > Mine came out and went in as a whole piece. Kind of like a bolt. In fact I almost, in a pinch replaced it with a regular bolt but then wondered about the proper length, etc . > You'll have to get that stud out. > Perhaps some heat and good tight vise grips and replace the stud once you get it out. > As you say, I can't see you getting the movement you need without extracting the stud. Being threaded inside the shaft and the side of the case (I can't remember exactly, but believe it may step down in thread size slipping through the case) but threading into the rod. > I could see it being really stuck but she'll come out. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > > ------Original Message------ > From: Larry Young > To: Jason Ostrowski > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission Question > Sent: Jun 26, 2012 9:47 AM > > Jason, I have taken that outer nut off, double nutted it and tried to > turn the stud. I cannot get it to budge. How do you get it out? I'm > not clear about how that part goes together, since that is not something > I ever bother with during a rebuild. It looks like it has threads on > both ends with a shoulder in the center. > > Unless I can get that stud out, I can only think of getting the shaft > lose at the back ot the tranny and sliding it out to engage the reverse > gear. That would mean taking the OD off the back or at least creating > enough separation to losen the screw that locks the reverse shaft and > lay shaft in position. > > I repeat, engagement in the top cover is easy and not my problem. > Larry > > On 6/25/2012 6:16 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: >> Larry, >> I think you may be able to fix it by just taking of the top cover off. >> Speaking of the Gt6 box: I have fixed both of those problems with the >> trans in the car. The side stud definitely... One time, that side stud >> you speak of with the nyloc nut, just fell out during a race. I drove >> home and stole one out of my dad's trans, replaced it, refilled the >> fluid... and raced the next day. A good flashlight, tiny hands and >> lots of patience are needed but it can be done... >> > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Jun 26 11:55:38 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:55:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <8CF21CA1DCCD28C-CF8-19212@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> References: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CF21CA1DCCD28C-CF8-19212@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001cd53c4$e5c94240$b15bc6c0$@rr.com> > Is the issue with the reverse lever pivot pin? > If so, the stud is pressed in, the outer locknut comes off, whack, the > assembly comes out from the inside. The original question was basically "Can that be done without removing the reverse gear and shaft?" I think the answer is "no", but I'm not certain, never tried it myself. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever removed the lever at all. -- Randall From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jun 26 12:12:11 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:12:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <3A6E572C-06F2-4608-A367-A35A27660C3B@aol.com> References: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> <4FE9CB7B.20301@pobox.com> <3A6E572C-06F2-4608-A367-A35A27660C3B@aol.com> Message-ID: <4FE9FB7B.3080500@pobox.com> Yeah, I played around with a spare transmission and found I could tap that stud into the box, but it won't come all the way out unless the main shaft is out of the car. I agree with Chuck and several others, the only way is to get the reverse idler shaft lose so I can slide the gear off, then put it back on with it engaged in the lever. Stupid mistake, which I am paying for. Should be an easy fix after the tranny is out, but I absolutely hate mounting the overdrive on the back. On 6/26/2012 10:16 AM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > That stud is splined into the case. You won't be able to turn it. I think you will have to pull off the rear housing, slide the reverse gear shaft out, and make sure it goes back together with the lever properly engaged with the reverse gear. > > Good luck! > > Chuck > > O From jason at multivintage.com Tue Jun 26 14:09:50 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:09:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Classic Race recap (delayed) Message-ID: Midwestern Fot'ers braved the intense sun and blistering heat at the 20th running of the "Blackhawk Classic" Socially, it was a great time as 3 generations of Triumph lovers gathered around campfires and grills. A fun group of kids (3 years- teenagers) pal around rooting for their Dad's. The Alexander's celebrated a Triumphant 20 year anniversary of racing together as a family. Joe Alexander was a very proud Papa as he was presented with a beautiful plaque at a family dinner commemorating 20 years of awesomeness that has snowballed into a quite nice family business. Congratulations A.R.E. on 20 years! Here's to another 20! Group 2 action was pretty fierce as the buzz of some half dozen terrifyingly fast bug eyes filled the grid ahead of our guys. Some very fast cars tiny cars were out there! Tony's video shows that the guys at the front meant business. There was never a dull moment from the spectators point of view as there was great racing going on all the way back to the final position. I got real nervous for Wismer in his choice Talisman as a BRG MGB went wide coming out of turn 5 and slid through the grass right next to Bob totally on the edge... any steering twitch (from the MGB) would have been disastrous for the beady eyed racer... a little too close for comfort. Scott Barr was a bit off his usual pace but was out there mid-pack with a motor he finished putting together just prior to leaving for the track. Tom Strange was seen tweaking Valves and Springs and fine tuning the new set-up several times throughout the weekend. Sean Alexander had one of his first off track excursions in many years. Apparently getting a little crazy in turn 1 having a good ride through the grass leaving some creative tire management options as they headed to the grid "the lone Triumph" for the Enduro. With help from brother Mark at the wheel, they completed more laps during the weekend than any other Triumph in their well worked #197. In spite of his spin in turn 7, the new orange TR3 driven by Andrew Williams looks solid and has real promise to become a contender in our ranks. Looking Good! Red Wire wheels-a-rollin...Ken Suhre was back in the saddle, driving a real classic vintage looking 1961 TR4. The beady eyed guys hung out towards the back, making no excuses, as usual having fun and hauling mail in their 2 beautiful and legitimately "period correct" prepped cars. John Holton was back there as well, but intermittently and short on laps. His car is a real treat for the eyes... a double bubble topped Triumph powered Kellison (REALLY neat car)...but suffering on the mechanical end on this Father's day. The Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+, alone in group 8 was dealing with Alfas, Datsuns and of note had an epic battle with a rather Gigantic Boss Mustang. I was back and forth with this guy a couple times per lap... able to out break him into all of the fast corners as he was passing me on the end of the straights. I had him hounding me all the way around the track. Against my better judgement I looked past the smoke coming from the rear for the first two laps of the sprint race on Saturday. The smoke stopped on the end of the second lap. I kept pressing on kind of knowing it was not going to end well. I just couldn't get myself to pull in as I saw people in turn 1 raising their fists and cheering as my little car pounded a ground pounder. I have to say it was probably the most fun 8 laps I have had yet... at no small cost my weekend ended with 1 lap to go... a day early. DNF and broken rather significantly, the destroyed and terribly stinky rear end obnoxiously fogged our pit area for the rest of the evening. Safe to say good time was had by all. Our Triumph cars and driver's sorted on weekend's best Time 1. Tony Drews TR4 1:28.255 2. Jason Ostrowski GT6+ 1:28.332 3. Sean/Mark Alexander TR4A 1:29.410 4. Scott Barr Spitfire 1:33.367 5. Andrew Williams TR3A 1:33.883 6. Kenneth Suhre TR4 1:40..904 7. Bill Dentinger TR3A 1:44.625 8. Bob Wismer Talisman 1:45.129 9. John Houlton Kellison 1:54.000 Race report respectfully submitted by Jason Ostrowski, Friendly Ghost Racing From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jun 26 14:13:44 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:13:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> Message-ID: <4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> There is a Honda Goldwing valve cover seal that is a perfect fit for the stock TR valve covers, I know I have the part number written down somewhere. I am fairly certain that Ted S. also sells them. This is one area where too many people think that if a little is good, more is better. I've seen a LOT of distorted valve covers due to overtightening. mjb. From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jun 26 18:04:16 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:04:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <000001cd53c4$e5c94240$b15bc6c0$@rr.com> References: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CF21CA1DCCD28C-CF8-19212@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd53c4$e5c94240$b15bc6c0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4FEA4E00.2060004@pobox.com> Yes, I played around with a spare transmission. The stud can be moved a bit, both the reverse idler gear and the reverse gear on the main shaft prevent it from coming all the way out. I'm always hoping for an easy way out. As it turned out, two of my Triumph buddies, John Phillips and Sam Clark, came over and helped me out of this dilemma. It didn't really take as long as you would think. We pulled the transmission and OD. Pulled the OD off the back. Removed the adapter plate. Removed the small metal plate that locks the counter shaft and reverse shaft in position. Slid the reverse shaft back until the gear was lose. Used a magnet to work the gear into the lever and align it with the reverse shaft. Slid the shaft back in. Reattached the locking plate. Bolted the OD back on and stuck it back into the car. In the OD repair manual at vtr.org, Sam and I suggested mounting the OD and transmission when in a vertical position. This keeps the two splines from becoming misaligned. We used that method today and it worked beautifully. Mounted the OD vertically with the rear flange on a piece of wood. Dropped the transmission into it and tightened it down without a hitch. The worst problem we had was getting the tranny/OD back into the car. That took a couple of hours of jacking around. But eventually, the transmission relented. This car is the TR250 I've had since it was new. It served as the get away car for my wedding in 1970 and Tom's (my oldest sons) wedding in 2008. We are trying to get it restored (or at least semi-restored) for my other son (Matt's) wedding in a couple of weeks in Milwaukee. I thought this problem had blown us out of the water, but with the help of my Triumph friends, I think we still have a good chance of having it there. Thanks, Larry Young On 6/26/2012 12:55 PM, Randall wrote: > The original question was basically "Can that be done without removing the > reverse gear and shaft?" > > I think the answer is "no", but I'm not certain, never tried it myself. In > fact, I'm not sure I've ever removed the lever at all. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________'s > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Jun 27 10:07:12 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <1964411549.1352256.1340813154977.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hey FoT, I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local shops about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three inquiries all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I bring the car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I was the one that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet and just don't know it. Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. Jim G. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jun 27 10:33:05 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:33:05 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1964411549.1352256.1340813154977.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <004601cd5482$8827be00$98773a00$@com> I really don't care about this issue. New brake shoes don't fit either and I need them badly because I do most of the braking on the rear brakes. But the rear brakes seem to do well anyway, so I don't bother with reaching the shoes. I install them and here we go. Look how black my rear wheels are: http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/579965_10151484114780715_1140 715849_n.jpg Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Juni 2012 18:07 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching Hey FoT, I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local shops about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three inquiries all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I bring the car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I was the one that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet and just don't know it. Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Wed Jun 27 10:37:18 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:37:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Good luck with that. I haven't seen one of those tools in 40 years! I used one of these in a shop when we would actually reline shoes with material which was very thick and you would radius the shoes on the machine which was basically a sanding wheel. The normal cut on a drum would be about 010 to 020 and the new shoes should bed in okay. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:07 AM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching Hey FoT, I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local shops about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three inquiries all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I bring the car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I was the one that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet and just don't know it. Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jun 27 12:01:40 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 14:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <4FEA4E00.2060004@pobox.com> References: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CF21CA1DCCD28C-CF8-19212@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd53c4$e5c94240$b15bc6c0$@rr.com> <4FEA4E00.2060004@pobox.com> Message-ID: <8CF22A609B3BE2E-2AF4-21E07@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> The TR3A has been used for sons weddings and my own. Make it a bit more special. Larry, if you come up I-35, you can roll on up to four lane highway 20 and swing into Jesup, then make a quick stop at the FIELD OF DREAMS. Then it is a quick trip on four lane 151 going to Milwaukee. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young To: fot Cc: Rob Trippet ; John Phillips ; Tom Young Sent: Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission Question Yes, I played around with a spare transmission. The stud can be moved a bit, both the reverse idler gear and the reverse gear on the main shaft prevent it from coming all the way out. I'm always hoping for an easy way out. As it turned out, two of my Triumph buddies, John Phillips and Sam Clark, came over and helped me out of this dilemma. It didn't really take as long as you would think. We pulled the transmission and OD. Pulled the OD off the back. Removed the adapter plate. Removed the small metal plate that locks the counter shaft and reverse shaft in position. Slid the reverse shaft back until the gear was lose. Used a magnet to work the gear into the lever and align it with the reverse shaft. Slid the shaft back in. Reattached the locking plate. Bolted the OD back on and stuck it back into the car. In the OD repair manual at vtr.org, Sam and I suggested mounting the OD and transmission when in a vertical position. This keeps the two splines from becoming misaligned. We used that method today and it worked beautifully. Mounted the OD vertically with the rear flange on a piece of wood. Dropped the transmission into it and tightened it down without a hitch. The worst problem we had was getting the tranny/OD back into the car. That took a couple of hours of jacking around. But eventually, the transmission relented. This car is the TR250 I've had since it was new. It served as the get away car for my wedding in 1970 and Tom's (my oldest sons) wedding in 2008. We are trying to get it restored (or at least semi-restored) for my other son (Matt's) wedding in a couple of weeks in Milwaukee. I thought this problem had blown us out of the water, but with the help of my Triumph friends, I think we still have a good chance of having it there. Thanks, Larry Young On 6/26/2012 12:55 PM, Randall wrote: > The original question was basically "Can that be done without removing the > reverse gear and shaft?" > > I think the answer is "no", but I'm not certain, never tried it myself. In > fact, I'm not sure I've ever removed the lever at all. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________'s > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed Jun 27 13:21:14 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:21:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching References: Message-ID: One of the machines used was an AMMCO Safe Arc Brake shoe grinder. I just happen to have one in my garage. Only problem is that I'm missing a couple of adapters. I've played around with it, but can't seem to get the process right. The shoe gets clamped in a fixture and is moved toward a spinning sanding drum to take off lining material. The lining is supposed to be ground to match the drum. In the late '60's when I was working for a Pontiac garage, we would punch out the old lining rivets, and install new lining and rivet them on with an old foot-operated press punch setup. Worked OK. A friend still has a rivet tool; he re-lines clutches and such on his old tractors. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Yott" To: ; "'fot'" Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching > Good luck with that. I haven't seen one of those tools in 40 years! I > used > one of these in a shop when we would actually reline shoes with material > which was very thick and you would radius the shoes on the machine which > was > basically a sanding wheel. The normal cut on a drum would be about 010 to > 020 and the new shoes should bed in okay. > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:07 AM > To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching > > Hey FoT, > > I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local > shops > > about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three > inquiries > > all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I > bring > the > > car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I > was > the one > > that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet > and just > > don't know it. > > Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. > > Jim G. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From peter at nosimport.com Wed Jun 27 14:24:14 2012 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:24:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: References: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20120627202419.A548DF44079@mx2.netinteraction.com> www.brakeplace.com in Minneapolis is quite adept. Click on their "machine shop" tab. Peter C === At 11:37 AM 6/27/2012, Steve Yott wrote: >Good luck with that. I haven't seen one of those tools in 40 years! I used >one of these in a shop when we would actually reline shoes with material >which was very thick and you would radius the shoes on the machine which was >basically a sanding wheel. The normal cut on a drum would be about 010 to >020 and the new shoes should bed in okay. > >Steve Yott > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net >Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:07 AM >To: fot >Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching > >Hey FoT, > >I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local shops > >about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three >inquiries > >all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I bring >the > >car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I was >the one > >that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet >and just > >don't know it. > >Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. > >Jim G. From tr4 at wi.rr.com Wed Jun 27 16:35:29 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:35:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <20120627202419.A548DF44079@mx2.netinteraction.com> Message-ID: <8B.90.21135.3BA8BEF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> A dying breed! I looked up machines in EBay and there are about 4 of them for sale! Steve -----Original Message----- From: Peter Caldwell [mailto:peter at nosimport.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:24 PM To: tr4 at wi.rr.com; toodamnfunky at comcast.net; 'fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching www.brakeplace.com in Minneapolis is quite adept. Click on their "machine shop" tab. Peter C === At 11:37 AM 6/27/2012, Steve Yott wrote: >Good luck with that. I haven't seen one of those tools in 40 years! I >used one of these in a shop when we would actually reline shoes with >material which was very thick and you would radius the shoes on the >machine which was basically a sanding wheel. The normal cut on a drum >would be about 010 to 020 and the new shoes should bed in okay. > >Steve Yott > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net >Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:07 AM >To: fot >Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching > >Hey FoT, > >I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local >shops > >about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three >inquiries > >all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I >bring the > >car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought >I was the one > >that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another >planet and just > >don't know it. > >Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. > >Jim G. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Jun 27 16:57:25 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 22:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <8B.90.21135.3BA8BEF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <1165978716.1369893.1340837845367.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I think I will just let it go as most, if not all seem to do. I'll just let them wear naturally until they conform. Thanks for all the input, as always, jim g. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Yott" To: "Peter Caldwell" , toodamnfunky at comcast.net, "fot" Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:35:29 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching A dying breed! B I looked up machines in EBay and there are about 4 of them for sale! Steve -----Original Message----- From: Peter Caldwell [mailto:peter at nosimport.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:24 PM To: tr4 at wi.rr.com; toodamnfunky at comcast.net; 'fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching www.brakeplace.com in Minneapolis is quite adept. B Click on their "machine shop" tab. B B B B B Peter C === At 11:37 AM 6/27/2012, Steve Yott wrote: >Good luck with that. B I haven't seen one of those tools in 40 years! B I >used one of these in a shop when we would actually reline shoes with >material which was very thick and you would radius the shoes on the >machine which was basically a sanding wheel. B The normal cut on a drum >would be about 010 to 020 and the new shoes should bed in okay. > >Steve Yott > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net >Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:07 AM >To: fot >Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching > >Hey FoT, > >I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local >shops > >about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three >inquiries > >all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I >bring the > >car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought >I was the one > >that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another >planet and just > >don't know it. > >Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. > >Jim G. From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Wed Jun 27 22:44:49 2012 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 21:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1964411549.1352256.1340813154977.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1340858689.57797.YahooMailNeo@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Jim; Otts Friction Supply in Portland Oregon arches the shoes as a matter of course. I had them reline my 10" rear shoes and the arched them to the drums. They do top fuel clutches and giant brakes for fishing boats and large anchor stops. Mike ________________________________ From: "toodamnfunky at comcast.net" To: fot Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching Hey FoT, I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local shops about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three inquiries all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I bring the car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I was the one that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet and just don't know it. Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com From fubog1 at aol.com Thu Jun 28 06:45:54 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] paging Bob Davis spring info Message-ID: <8CF234317799DAA-CF8-241CD@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> sorry to bomb the list Bob- V657 GT-6 Competition spring (source BL special tuning data bulletin JAN78) HTH Glen From cartravel at pobox.com Thu Jun 28 17:25:25 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:25:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question - more In-Reply-To: <4FEA4E00.2060004@pobox.com> References: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CF21CA1DCCD28C-CF8-19212@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd53c4$e5c94240$b15bc6c0$@rr.com> <4FEA4E00.2060004@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4FECE7E5.6080402@pobox.com> And then there is the rest of the story. We checked this thing out manually, before stuffing it back in the car. I checked it out on jack stands and it shifted through all the gears, including reverse. I backed it out of my garage and drove it onto the trailer to take it back to the body shop for some panel alignment. Then there was no longer any reverse. I haven't pulled the top cover off yet, but am willing to bet the gear is no longer engaged in the shifter lever. Has anyone else had this problem? How did you fix it? Having tried to figure an easy way to get it reengaged, I can't imagine how it got out. This should be a very interesting problem, but not one that I really wanted right now. My only thought is that there is a chunk out of the side of the gear, but I can't believe we would not have noticed that. Larry On 6/26/2012 7:04 PM, Larry Young wrote: > Yes, I played around with a spare transmission. The stud can be moved > a bit, both the reverse idler gear and the reverse gear on the main > shaft prevent it from coming all the way out. I'm always hoping for > an easy way out. > > As it turned out, two of my Triumph buddies, John Phillips and Sam > Clark, came over and helped me out of this dilemma. It didn't really > take as long as you would think. We pulled the transmission and OD. > Pulled the OD off the back. Removed the adapter plate. Removed the > small metal plate that locks the counter shaft and reverse shaft in > position. Slid the reverse shaft back until the gear was lose. Used > a magnet to work the gear into the lever and align it with the reverse > shaft. Slid the shaft back in. Reattached the locking plate. > Bolted the OD back on and stuck it back into the car. > > In the OD repair manual at vtr.org, Sam and I suggested mounting the > OD and transmission when in a vertical position. This keeps the two > splines from becoming misaligned. We used that method today and it > worked beautifully. Mounted the OD vertically with the rear flange on > a piece of wood. Dropped the transmission into it and tightened it > down without a hitch. The worst problem we had was getting the > tranny/OD back into the car. That took a couple of hours of jacking > around. But eventually, the transmission relented. > > This car is the TR250 I've had since it was new. It served as the get > away car for my wedding in 1970 and Tom's (my oldest sons) wedding in > 2008. We are trying to get it restored (or at least semi-restored) > for my other son (Matt's) wedding in a couple of weeks in Milwaukee. I > thought this problem had blown us out of the water, but with the help > of my Triumph friends, I think we still have a good chance of having > it there. > > Thanks, > Larry Young > > On 6/26/2012 12:55 PM, Randall wrote: >> The original question was basically "Can that be done without >> removing the >> reverse gear and shaft?" >> >> I think the answer is "no", but I'm not certain, never tried it >> myself. In >> fact, I'm not sure I've ever removed the lever at all. >> >> -- Randall >> _______________________________________________'s >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Thu Jun 28 20:19:28 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:19:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question - more In-Reply-To: <4FECE7E5.6080402@pobox.com> Message-ID: <7F.BD.02978.2B01DEF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Larry, After having a number of these boxes apart my bet is that the lever arm for the reverse gear has been screwed in too far. This is the adjustment for how far the pins on the ends of the arm engage both the gear and the operating lever in the top cover. If the stud that this arm screws onto was removed from the case then it must be readjusted during assembly while the stud is pulled back into the case with the securing nut. The spline on the stud stops it from turning when installed but the threads on the stud and the arm are what adjust the distance the lever fits into the gear. Hard to explain but if you had this apart I think you will understand the concept. A rotten two hour job!!! Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission Question - more And then there is the rest of the story. We checked this thing out manually, before stuffing it back in the car. I checked it out on jack stands and it shifted through all the gears, including reverse. I backed it out of my garage and drove it onto the trailer to take it back to the body shop for some panel alignment. Then there was no longer any reverse. I haven't pulled the top cover off yet, but am willing to bet the gear is no longer engaged in the shifter lever. Has anyone else had this problem? How did you fix it? Having tried to figure an easy way to get it reengaged, I can't imagine how it got out. This should be a very interesting problem, but not one that I really wanted right now. My only thought is that there is a chunk out of the side of the gear, but I can't believe we would not have noticed that. Larry On 6/26/2012 7:04 PM, Larry Young wrote: > Yes, I played around with a spare transmission. The stud can be moved > a bit, both the reverse idler gear and the reverse gear on the main > shaft prevent it from coming all the way out. I'm always hoping for > an easy way out. > > As it turned out, two of my Triumph buddies, John Phillips and Sam > Clark, came over and helped me out of this dilemma. It didn't really > take as long as you would think. We pulled the transmission and OD. > Pulled the OD off the back. Removed the adapter plate. Removed the > small metal plate that locks the counter shaft and reverse shaft in > position. Slid the reverse shaft back until the gear was lose. Used > a magnet to work the gear into the lever and align it with the reverse > shaft. Slid the shaft back in. Reattached the locking plate. > Bolted the OD back on and stuck it back into the car. > > In the OD repair manual at vtr.org, Sam and I suggested mounting the > OD and transmission when in a vertical position. This keeps the two > splines from becoming misaligned. We used that method today and it > worked beautifully. Mounted the OD vertically with the rear flange on > a piece of wood. Dropped the transmission into it and tightened it > down without a hitch. The worst problem we had was getting the > tranny/OD back into the car. That took a couple of hours of jacking > around. But eventually, the transmission relented. > > This car is the TR250 I've had since it was new. It served as the get > away car for my wedding in 1970 and Tom's (my oldest sons) wedding in > 2008. We are trying to get it restored (or at least semi-restored) > for my other son (Matt's) wedding in a couple of weeks in Milwaukee. I > thought this problem had blown us out of the water, but with the help > of my Triumph friends, I think we still have a good chance of having > it there. > > Thanks, > Larry Young > > On 6/26/2012 12:55 PM, Randall wrote: >> The original question was basically "Can that be done without >> removing the reverse gear and shaft?" >> >> I think the answer is "no", but I'm not certain, never tried it >> myself. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever removed the lever at all. >> >> -- Randall >> _______________________________________________'s >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 28 20:34:28 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:34:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question - more In-Reply-To: <4FECE7E5.6080402@pobox.com> References: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CF21CA1DCCD28C-CF8-19212@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd53c4$e5c94240$b15bc6c0$@rr.com> <4FEA4E00.2060004@pobox.com> <4FECE7E5.6080402@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4FED1434.3000208@bradakis.com> I wonder if the pivot bolt is too far into the case, leaving too little engagement between the pin on the lever and the slot on the gear? mjb. From igofaster at att.net Thu Jun 28 21:22:36 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] scca In-Reply-To: <116865243-1340675826-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-671065733-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> References: <1340673964.34149.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <116865243-1340675826-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-671065733-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1340940156.45209.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I'm not giving up on racing the GT6.. hopefully this fall..... Bobby ________________________________ From: "jason at multivintage.com" To: Bobby Whitehead ; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, June 25, 2012 8:57:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] scca Do just that, "use it" and abuse it. For me, I see it as a totally replaceble piece of machinery that I would drive at the absolute limit. I compare my driving now to my championship kart racing days... Its totally different. Now I care about my precious "irreplaceable" Triumph to much. It makes me too cautious, because I want to put it on the trailer unscathed after a race. When I raced Karts I never once thought about my kart making it back on the trailer looking good. I drove to win. Period. Drive that ugly, common, piece of sh#t to the absolute f'ing limit of adhesion. Win all your races in "GTA" and beat the snot out of it road warrior style. That's what I would do. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:26:04 To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] scca seems like the folks at SCCA thought I was experienced enough to by-pass the SCCA requirements to let me stand on my own record and incident free racing experiences... they issued me a LICENSE to race in SCCA.... now.... if I knew how to drive the GTA car I could really go out there and use it.... Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jun 29 13:33:07 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] REX TULLIUS Message-ID: <8CF244524DCBB8C-718-3DF65@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com> Rex is part of our community by way of Russel, his dad. Watch for him as he contends for an OLYMPIC berth on the U.S. Swim Team. Phelps was quoted as saying that Rex has a shot..... He also is featured on SWIMUTOPIA.COM Nice interview. I think he will be seen tonight at 8:00PM eastern time. Best wishes to REX. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Jun 29 14:19:11 2012 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:19:11 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Cool Video that I wish I had made! Message-ID: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> http://youtu.be/daVDrGsaDME ~STEVE From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri Jun 29 18:12:14 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:12:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cool Video that I wish I had made! In-Reply-To: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4FEE445E.40308@comcast.net> That was great! Thanks for sharing On 6/29/2012 1:19 PM, steve wrote: > http://youtu.be/daVDrGsaDME > > ~STEVE > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri Jun 29 18:31:08 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:31:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FEE48CC.4060406@comcast.net> A couple of years ago, based on the uneven wear pattern on the rear brake shoes on the Spitfire, I decided it was time for new drums, so I ordered up a set. The day before the race, I installed new Porterfield shoes and went to install the new drums and couldn't get them on - too small. Or actually, the Porterfield brake lining was too thick to fit. Took the drums to one of the larger local machine shops and dropped them off with instructions to take them out 030 or so - I took a whole lot of measurements. Got a call a couple of hours later that said the drums were too small to fit their machine. Found an old, small shop that turned them around in no time. Now I carry two sets of drums, new and oversize so I can fit whatever shoes I get (I hope). On 6/27/2012 9:07 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Hey FoT, > > I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local shops > > about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three inquiries > > all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I bring the > > car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I was the one > > that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet and just > > don't know it. > > Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. > > Jim G. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jun 29 18:39:10 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:39:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cool Video that I wish I had made! In-Reply-To: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <557757AB-40D3-4492-B68F-5DACD48D21D2@gdhs.com> Really neat..... Cool Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2012, at 4:19 PM, steve wrote: > http://youtu.be/daVDrGsaDME > > ~STEVE > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jun 29 18:42:53 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:42:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <4FEE48CC.4060406@comcast.net> References: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <4FEE48CC.4060406@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6F92D61E-B8DE-400E-952F-9D6E9D8E639E@gdhs.com> Got a set from Ted & all that was needed was a little filing on the leading edges. 240Z drums may have helped Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2012, at 8:31 PM, Jim Norlin wrote: > A couple of years ago, based on the uneven wear pattern on the rear brake shoes on the Spitfire, I decided it was time for new drums, so I ordered up a set. The day before the race, I installed new Porterfield shoes and went to install the new drums and couldn't get them on - too small. Or actually, the Porterfield brake lining was too thick to fit. Took the drums to one of the larger local machine shops and dropped them off with instructions to take them out 030 or so - I took a whole lot of measurements. Got a call a couple of hours later that said the drums were too small to fit their machine. Found an old, small shop that turned them around in no time. Now I carry two sets of drums, new and oversize so I can fit whatever shoes I get (I hope). > > On 6/27/2012 9:07 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >> Hey FoT, >> >> I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local shops >> >> about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three inquiries >> >> all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I bring the >> >> car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I was the one >> >> that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet and just >> >> don't know it. >> >> Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. >> >> Jim G. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri Jun 29 19:26:44 2012 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:26:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cool Video that I wish I had made! In-Reply-To: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <51E455C3-29EC-4C50-B81E-58AE2F5099E6@comcast.net> Love it!!! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2012, at 4:19 PM, steve wrote: > http://youtu.be/daVDrGsaDME > > ~STEVE > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1 at comcast.net From mpendy at dishmail.net Fri Jun 29 21:43:24 2012 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (MARKANDGLENDA PENDERGRASS) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:43:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cool Video that I wish I had made! In-Reply-To: <51E455C3-29EC-4C50-B81E-58AE2F5099E6@comcast.net> References: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <51E455C3-29EC-4C50-B81E-58AE2F5099E6@comcast.net> Message-ID: Now that was truely a piece of artwork!!!...........thanks MJP On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Steven Groh wrote: > Love it!!! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 29, 2012, at 4:19 PM, steve wrote: > > > http://youtu.be/daVDrGsaDME > > > > ~STEVE > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Jun 30 08:07:38 2012 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (brad.kahler at 141.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Message-ID: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> Amici, My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the wheel either direction and it seems to over react. So, is this a toe-in problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? Years ago I had a 73 TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. Other than this issue the car rides smooth as glass. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 30 08:22:35 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:22:35 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> Message-ID: I would say the toe in is okay. I think not enough negative camber. For a street car I would suggest -1.5 degree. Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: brad.kahler at 141.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:07:38 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Amici, My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the wheel either direction and it seems to over react. So, is this a toe-in problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? Years ago I had a 73 TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. Other than this issue the car rides smooth as glass. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Jun 30 08:32:55 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:32:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1300 head question Message-ID: As I sit pondering my replacement engine I have a question for you 1300 experts. Did the MK 4 1300 head come with larger valves than the MK 3 version? Are the heads interchangeable? Is this the way to go? Thanks, Marty From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 30 09:15:45 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] CHASING THE TAIL OF THE DRAGON SCCA HILLCLIMB RESULTS? JK JACKSON? Message-ID: <8CF24EA5B35B6EF-1FCC-43BCD@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Any one has access to the results, specifically how JK Jackson did with his TR6? We saw him standing on the side of the hill on Friday, but left before he made his runs on Saturday and Sunday. Also, what about Richard Good at the PAGODA in PA? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From rikrock at live.com Sat Jun 30 09:44:30 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:44:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] CHASING THE TAIL OF THE DRAGON SCCA HILLCLIMB RESULTS? JK JACKSON? In-Reply-To: <8CF24EA5B35B6EF-1FCC-43BCD@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF24EA5B35B6EF-1FCC-43BCD@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Results for Pagoda Hillclimb are at www.bmr-scca.org/Portals/21/2012/2012-Pagoda-Hillclimb-Results-June-23-24.pdf Richard Good did Great! Chasing The Dragon Results are at http://www.ccrscca.com/results/ctd2_2012_fin.htm Looks like Chris Moore found A LOT of time on her last run and beat JK ! Some of you really should try to come to Reading PA for the Duryea Hillclimb, August 18-19. It's the premier event on the PHA calender. Rich Rock > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:15:45 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] CHASING THE TAIL OF THE DRAGON SCCA HILLCLIMB RESULTS? JK JACKSON? > > Any one has access to the results, specifically how JK Jackson did with his > TR6? > > > We saw him standing on the side of the hill on Friday, but left before he made > his runs on Saturday and Sunday. > > Also, what about Richard Good at the PAGODA in PA? > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock at live.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jun 30 09:44:55 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:44:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> Message-ID: Is this a solid rear axle or an IRS car? I assume since you didn't say TR4a that it's solid rear axle. If it's IRS, check the rear toe. A little rear toe out would cause twitchiness. You can try dialing in a little more front toe (up to 3/16") and see if that makes a difference. It should not feel twitchy going straight. It sure sounds like you've got SOMETHING wanting to pull the car in two directions, the challenge is figuring out WHAT is doing that. Tony At 09:07 AM 6/30/2012, brad.kahler at 141.com wrote: >Amici, > >My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, >replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite >replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor >trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can >detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this >would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. >The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the >steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels >like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. >It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight >ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the >wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > >So, is this a toe-in >problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > >Years ago I had a 73 >TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > >Other than >this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > >Any suggestions? > >Thanks, > >Brad >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From mlcooknj at msn.com Sat Jun 30 09:57:11 2012 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:57:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <20120630142205.E59E82D0769@autox.team.net> References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com>, <20120630142205.E59E82D0769@autox.team.net> Message-ID: What about the steering rack mounts? Could the rack be shifting a litttle? Mike Cook > To: brad.kahler at 141.com; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:22:35 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > I would say the toe in is okay. I think not enough negative camber. > For a street car I would suggest -1.5 degree. > > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: brad.kahler at 141.com > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:07:38 > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > Amici, > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > So, is this a toe-in > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > Years ago I had a 73 > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > Other than > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 30 10:29:14 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com>, <20120630142205.E59E82D0769@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CF24F49F20934D-1FCC-44A91@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> shifting and maybe some binding with congealed grease in the rack? i am guessing this TR4 might have sat for a long time? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: michael cook To: tr4racing ; brad.kahler ; fot-bounces ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 30, 2012 10:58 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 What about the steering rack mounts? Could the rack be shifting a litttle? Mike Cook > To: brad.kahler at 141.com; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:22:35 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > I would say the toe in is okay. I think not enough negative camber. > For a street car I would suggest -1.5 degree. > > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: brad.kahler at 141.com > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:07:38 > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > Amici, > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > So, is this a toe-in > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > Years ago I had a 73 > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > Other than > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 30 10:41:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE Message-ID: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Mike Cook was very busy at the MITTY with interviews. I suspect one of the next issues of the award winning VTR magazine will contain a lot of content on our favorite TRIUMPH PEOPLE as well as the Kastner Cup. Likely worth the price of a year's membership with VTR. If you look at the masthead with names, you will find that the FOT is well represented. The magazine covers FOT activities extensively, too. Witness the FOT/VTR event poster. This is a collaboration between our groups and is funded by VTR with production by ISOA's Joe Pawlak at his cost. Please consider membership to support them in return. Expect this collaboration to continue in future years with another event poster in 2013 at Road America. Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From mlcooknj at msn.com Sat Jun 30 10:58:02 2012 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:58:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE In-Reply-To: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It will be in TVT #133 that I'm finishing up right now. Mike > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:41:53 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE > > Mike Cook was very busy at the MITTY with interviews. I suspect one of the > next issues of the award winning VTR magazine will contain a lot of content on > our favorite TRIUMPH PEOPLE as well as the Kastner Cup. > > Likely worth the price of a year's membership with VTR. If you look at the > masthead with names, you will find that the FOT is well represented. The > magazine covers FOT activities extensively, too. > > Witness the FOT/VTR event poster. This is a collaboration between our groups > and is funded by VTR with production by ISOA's Joe Pawlak at his cost. > > Please consider membership to support them in return. Expect this > collaboration to continue in future years with another event poster in 2013 at > Road America. > > > Joe Alexander > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 30 11:08:40 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE In-Reply-To: References: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF24FA2179A792-1FCC-44F53@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Mike! Your efforts are greatly appreciated. This issue should prove to be a collector item. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: michael cook To: Joe Alexander ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 30, 2012 11:58 am Subject: RE: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE It will be in TVT #133 that I'm finishing up right now. Mike > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:41:53 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE > > Mike Cook was very busy at the MITTY with interviews. I suspect one of the > next issues of the award winning VTR magazine will contain a lot of content on > our favorite TRIUMPH PEOPLE as well as the Kastner Cup. > > Likely worth the price of a year's membership with VTR. If you look at the > masthead with names, you will find that the FOT is well represented. The > magazine covers FOT activities extensively, too. > > Witness the FOT/VTR event poster. This is a collaboration between our groups > and is funded by VTR with production by ISOA's Joe Pawlak at his cost. > > Please consider membership to support them in return. Expect this > collaboration to continue in future years with another event poster in 2013 at > Road America. > > > Joe Alexander > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Sat Jun 30 11:18:53 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> Message-ID: <1341076733.55165.YahooMailRC@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi, maybe you need more air pressure in the front tires. Jim ________________________________ From: "brad.kahler at 141.com" To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sat, June 30, 2012 7:08:07 AM Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Amici, My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the wheel either direction and it seems to over react. So, is this a toe-in problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? Years ago I had a 73 TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. Other than this issue the car rides smooth as glass. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat Jun 30 11:38:22 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:38:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> Message-ID: Try 1/16" total toe out, it'll get rid of that push. jim g -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of brad.kahler at 141.com Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:08 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Amici, My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the wheel either direction and it seems to over react. So, is this a toe-in problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? Years ago I had a 73 TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. Other than this issue the car rides smooth as glass. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 30 11:53:14 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:53:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE Message-ID: And if you want to join the VTR, the address is: VTR PO Box 655 Howell, MI 48844-0655 Annual dues are $35.00 US. Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad Joe Alexander wrote: >Mike Cook was very busy at the MITTY with interviews. I suspect one of the >next issues of the award winning VTR magazine will contain a lot of content on >our favorite TRIUMPH PEOPLE as well as the Kastner Cup. > >Likely worth the price of a year's membership with VTR. If you look at the >masthead with names, you will find that the FOT is well represented. The >magazine covers FOT activities extensively, too. > >Witness the FOT/VTR event poster. This is a collaboration between our groups >and is funded by VTR with production by ISOA's Joe Pawlak at his cost. > >Please consider membership to support them in return. Expect this >collaboration to continue in future years with another event poster in 2013 at >Road America. > > >Joe Alexander >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From levilevi at comcast.net Sat Jun 30 13:00:21 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:00:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> <4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> Message-ID: That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've had great luck stopping leaks out the cover bolt holes with these. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > There is a Honda Goldwing valve cover seal that is a perfect fit for > the > stock TR valve covers, I know I have the part number written down > somewhere. I am fairly certain that Ted S. also sells them. This > is one > area where too many people think that if a little is good, more is > better. > I've seen a LOT of distorted valve covers due to overtightening. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 30 13:13:08 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF250B8504F2A6-1FCC-4671F@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> EXCELLENT DOUG! You can also review VTR and register online at: VTR.ORG Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Doug Mitchell To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot Sent: Sat, Jun 30, 2012 12:53 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE And if you want to join the VTR, the address is: VTR PO Box 655 Howell, MI 48844-0655 Annual dues are $35.00 US. Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad Joe Alexander wrote: >Mike Cook was very busy at the MITTY with interviews. I suspect one of the >next issues of the award winning VTR magazine will contain a lot of content on >our favorite TRIUMPH PEOPLE as well as the Kastner Cup. > >Likely worth the price of a year's membership with VTR. If you look at the >masthead with names, you will find that the FOT is well represented. The >magazine covers FOT activities extensively, too. > >Witness the FOT/VTR event poster. This is a collaboration between our groups >and is funded by VTR with production by ISOA's Joe Pawlak at his cost. > >Please consider membership to support them in return. Expect this >collaboration to continue in future years with another event poster in 2013 at >Road America. > > >Joe Alexander >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Jun 30 16:23:56 2012 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:23:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <8CF24F49F20934D-1FCC-44A91@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> <20120630142205.E59E82D0769@autox.team.net> <8CF24F49F20934D-1FCC-44A91@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Just went through the steering rack. It's smooth and well lubed. Yeah it sat for about 10 to 12 years. I've got the front end lubed and it seems like there is no slop or looseness in it. On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > shifting and maybe some binding with congealed grease in the rack? > > i am guessing this TR4 might have sat for a long time? > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: michael cook > To: tr4racing ; brad.kahler ; > fot-bounces ; fot > Sent: Sat, Jun 30, 2012 10:58 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > What about the steering rack mounts? Could the rack be shifting a litttle? > Mike Cook > > To: brad.kahler at 141.com; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:22:35 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > > > I would say the toe in is okay. I think not enough negative camber. > > For a street car I would suggest -1.5 degree. > > > > Chris > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: brad.kahler at 141.com > > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:07:38 > > To: Friends of Triumph > > Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > > > Amici, > > > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can > > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials > this > > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering > wheel. > > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the > > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it > feels > > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the > turn. > > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in > straight > > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of > the > > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > > > So, is this a toe-in > > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > > > Years ago I had a 73 > > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > > > Other than > > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brad > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Jun 30 16:23:52 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:23:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <20120630175214.34F892D08F2@autox.team.net> References: <20120630175214.34F892D08F2@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8A619A4B-3408-4EC1-BB9E-E13B6685B2CB@gdhs.com> I'm with Chris more neg camber Sent from my iPhone On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > Try 1/16" total toe out, it'll get rid of that push. > jim g > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of brad.kahler at 141.com > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:08 AM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > Amici, > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials > this > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering > wheel. > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the > turn. > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of > the > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > So, is this a toe-in > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > Years ago I had a 73 > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > Other than > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Jun 30 16:26:23 2012 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:26:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <1341076733.55165.YahooMailRC@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> <1341076733.55165.YahooMailRC@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good thought. Any ideas out there as to what pressures to run front and rear? Right now I think I have them balanced at 28 psi on all corners. On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 1:18 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > Hi, maybe you need more air pressure in the front tires. Jim > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "brad.kahler at 141.com" > *To:* Friends of Triumph > *Sent:* Sat, June 30, 2012 7:08:07 AM > *Subject:* [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > Amici, > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials > this > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering > wheel. > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it > feels > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the > turn. > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in > straight > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of > the > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > So, is this a toe-in > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > Years ago I had a 73 > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > Other than > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Jun 30 16:28:06 2012 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:28:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <8A619A4B-3408-4EC1-BB9E-E13B6685B2CB@gdhs.com> References: <20120630175214.34F892D08F2@autox.team.net> <8A619A4B-3408-4EC1-BB9E-E13B6685B2CB@gdhs.com> Message-ID: I wish there was an adjustment for this, unfortunately I will have to modify something if I need to change the camber. I'm going to see what toe-in does and then try toe-out as Jim Gray has suggested. At least these adjustments can be done relatively quickly. Thanks, Brad On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM, John Hasty wrote: > I'm with Chris more neg camber > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > > > Try 1/16" total toe out, it'll get rid of that push. > > jim g > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of brad.kahler at 141.com > > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:08 AM > > To: Friends of Triumph > > Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > > > Amici, > > > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I > can > > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials > > this > > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering > > wheel. > > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning > the > > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it > feels > > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the > > turn. > > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in > straight > > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of > > the > > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > > > So, is this a toe-in > > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > > > Years ago I had a 73 > > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > > > Other than > > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brad > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Jun 30 16:44:07 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:44:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: <20120630175214.34F892D08F2@autox.team.net> <8A619A4B-3408-4EC1-BB9E-E13B6685B2CB@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <7443CF14-CBD9-438D-AD86-19ED71F4A475@gdhs.com> Yep.... About 1 to 1/2" out of the upper A arms should do it Sent from my iPhone On Jun 30, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > I wish there was an adjustment for this, unfortunately I will have to modify something if I need to change the camber. > > I'm going to see what toe-in does and then try toe-out as Jim Gray has suggested. At least these adjustments can be done relatively quickly. > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM, John Hasty wrote: > I'm with Chris more neg camber > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > > > Try 1/16" total toe out, it'll get rid of that push. > > jim g > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of brad.kahler at 141.com > > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:08 AM > > To: Friends of Triumph > > Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > > > Amici, > > > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can > > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials > > this > > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering > > wheel. > > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the > > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels > > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the > > turn. > > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight > > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of > > the > > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > > > So, is this a toe-in > > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > > > Years ago I had a 73 > > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > > > Other than > > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brad > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 30 16:59:19 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:59:19 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> <1341076733.55165.YahooMailRC@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I would run 30 to 32 psi. At front more than rear. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Brad Kahler Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:26:23 To: sherry robyn Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Good thought. Any ideas out there as to what pressures to run front and rear? Right now I think I have them balanced at 28 psi on all corners. On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 1:18 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > Hi, maybe you need more air pressure in the front tires. Jim > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "brad.kahler at 141.com" > *To:* Friends of Triumph > *Sent:* Sat, June 30, 2012 7:08:07 AM > *Subject:* [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > Amici, > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials > this > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering > wheel. > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it > feels > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the > turn. > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in > straight > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of > the > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > So, is this a toe-in > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > Years ago I had a 73 > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > Other than > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Jun 30 18:41:00 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:41:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> <1341076733.55165.YahooMailRC@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: All I can say deals with Hoosier Sportsters radials on the race track & each track is different; but the range is usually 28 -29 on the front side with the most turns ( ie more lefts or more rights) & 26 -27 on the other. The rear tires are both the same @ 26 -27. Neg camber is 3degrees. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 30, 2012, at 6:26 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Good thought. > > Any ideas out there as to what pressures to run front and rear? > > Right now I think I have them balanced at 28 psi on all corners. > > > On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 1:18 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > >> Hi, maybe you need more air pressure in the front tires. Jim >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* "brad.kahler at 141.com" >> *To:* Friends of Triumph >> *Sent:* Sat, June 30, 2012 7:08:07 AM >> *Subject:* [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 >> >> Amici, >> >> My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, >> replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite >> replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor >> trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can >> detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials >> this >> would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering >> wheel. >> The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the >> steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it >> feels >> like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the >> turn. >> It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in >> straight >> ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of >> the >> wheel either direction and it seems to over react. >> >> So, is this a toe-in >> problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? >> >> Years ago I had a 73 >> TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. >> >> Other than >> this issue the car rides smooth as glass. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Jun 30 18:49:46 2012 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (brad.kahler at 141.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> <1341076733.55165.YahooMailRC@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1341103786.345317832@mail.141.com> Those of you who suggested that tire pressure might be the answer were correct, Chris specifically when he suggested 30 to 32 in the front.B I tookB Chris's advice and bumped the fronts to 32 and left the rears at 28. Made a huge difference in the turns. Even most of the twitchyness went away in the straights. I think I'm going to try 33 and possibly even 34 to see how it handles. As for the steering rack mounts, they are solid with no noticeable movement side to side. The rack is solid mounted in aluminum blocks that are pinned so the rack can't slide side to side or rotate. Thanks for all the suggestions! Brad -----Original Message----- From: "John Hasty" Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:41pm To: "Brad Kahler" Cc: "sherry robyn" , "Friends of Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 All I can say deals with Hoosier Sportsters radials on the race track & each track is different; but the range is usually 28 -29 on the front side with the most turns ( ie more lefts or more rights) & 26 -27 on the other. The rear tires are both the same @ 26 -27. Neg camber is 3degrees. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 30, 2012, at 6:26 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Good thought. > > Any ideas out there as to what pressures to run front and rear? > > Right now I think I have them balanced at 28 psi on all corners. > > > On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 1:18 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > >> Hi, maybe you need more air pressure in the front tires. Jim >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* "brad.kahler at 141.com" >> *To:* Friends of Triumph >> *Sent:* Sat, June 30, 2012 7:08:07 AM >> *Subject:* [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 >> >> Amici, >> >> My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, >> replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite >> replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor >> trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can >> detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials >> this >> would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering >> wheel. >> The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the >> steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it >> feels >> like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the >> turn. >> It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in >> straight >> ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of >> the >> wheel either direction and it seems to over react. >> >> So, is this a toe-in >> problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? >> >> Years ago I had a 73 >> TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. >> >> Other than >> this issue the car rides smooth as glass. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From levilevi at comcast.net Sat Jun 30 21:29:09 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:29:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4A stamped B 5 What's it mean? Message-ID: <2E4F952A-ADD6-4BF6-A6A4-424788A22173@comcast.net> Any idea what the B 5 means that is stamped on the front cross beam of my TR4A frame? I dug out the straight frame I have for the Wreck listed below and saw a letter and number stamped on the top of the frame cross member. http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/ Thanks Bud Rolofson Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net From malaboge at aol.com Sat Jun 30 22:31:53 2012 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 00:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> Message-ID: <8CF25599345DD3C-1994-4B1CF@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com> Brad- If all the good recommendations that you've received so far leave you with some percentage of the continuing problem... Take a look at the rear leaf springs. Check the front and rear bushes for excessive wear/deterioration. Also check the leaves for a broken leaf (look closely near the axle mounts as this is where they brake if they're gonna). A loose/broken spring is tuff to notice but when starting into a turn, the instantaneous roll oversteer from a moving rear axle due to the above will really get your attention. If its a 4A, check the rear control arm mounts or for a cracked frame for the same reasons. Oversteerin all over Nor Cal... Nick -----Original Message----- From: brad.kahler To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sat, Jun 30, 2012 7:08 am Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Amici, My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, eplaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite eplicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor runnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can etect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this ould be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. he problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the teering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels ike you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. t takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight head driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the heel either direction and it seems to over react. So, is this a toe-in roblem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? Years ago I had a 73 R6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. Other than his issue the car rides smooth as glass. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com From levilevi at comcast.net Sat Jun 30 23:02:56 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 23:02:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4A stamped B 5 What's it mean? In-Reply-To: <1391250673.1699902.1341115567361.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1391250673.1699902.1341115567361.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <47B17045-FC18-45BE-84E3-FB37E4EBE0F2@comcast.net> As they say, upon further review the B is actually a raised letter and the 5 is a stamped number see in the pics. Both are on a metal strip (which is the rectangle you see) that is attached to the frame cross member somehow. It doesn't look welded on but it's securely attached to stay on there a few decades somehow. I'm not going to pull it off to see how its attached though. Those are the only letters/numbers that I can see. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jun 30, 2012, at 10:06 PM, davehogye wrote: > Hello Bud, > I'm not sure about the B part of the stamping, but I believe the > number is related to the month and or year the frame was made. My > TR3A has a Z29 stamped on the frame and I know that my car was built > in March '59. So the frame was built in Feb. '59. 2 for march and > 9 for '59. Is it possible that another number is there but not > stamped to deep? You might clean it off a little more, another > number may be hiding there. > Photo of mine included. > Check the FoT archives about this topic. I know that it has been > brought up in the past. > You'll probably get a more definite answer to your inquiry from > another person as well. > Dave H. > Santa Cruz, Ca. > From: "Bud Rolofson" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:29:09 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4A stamped B 5 What's it mean? > > Any idea what the B 5 means that is stamped on the front cross beam of > my TR4A frame? > > I dug out the straight frame I have for the Wreck listed below and saw > a letter and number stamped on the top of the frame cross member. > > http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/ > > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Jun 30 23:02:20 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:02:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , , <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, , , , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com><1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly><4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <000001cd5746$b25bf2b0$0601a8c0@randall> > That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've had great luck stopping > leaks out the cover bolt holes with these. Are those similar to http://www.mcmaster.com/#93781A037 or something different ? -- Randall From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Fri Jun 1 03:25:32 2012 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 05:25:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Prospective member/racer In-Reply-To: <1355A8325EDD408C936E7E9C5F3FA342@owner8914bbf7f> References: <1355A8325EDD408C936E7E9C5F3FA342@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: <001201cd3fd8$7e808490$7b818db0$@rr.com> I'll second........but now he should follow through and get that TR4 and have the time of his life! If you've never gone to Mosport in June you owe it to yourself. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of william r tobin Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:32 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Prospective member/racer Hi all. We have an organization around Erie called SOB, Sons of Britain. Anyone who has anything British is welcome. Kinda like the FOT, no officers, dues, or any other constraints. They have monthly meetings, have a September car show, have various tours around the area, and will have a summer party at my farm July 29 (if you happen to be in the area). One of the guys, Mike Moore, is thinking about getting a TR4 to race and asked me if he could be put in touch with the FOT; he'll have a bunch of questions and could be helped immensely by the FOT's knowledge. I'll recommend if I can get a second. mmoore at wave1.net I'll probably head for Mid Ohio in late June for the vintage event. Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Fri Jun 1 03:35:43 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:35:43 +0100 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> Message-ID: <2E4F25FA-EF7F-47F4-94CE-424197BB0930@virgin.net> Chris Soft engine mounts ??? Or are you running a torque reaction arm that is touching the chassis ??! Tony Sent from my iPhone On 31 May 2012, at 15:42, "MadMarx" wrote: > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > throttle" and to the left "off throttle". > > Does anybody see a reason for that? > > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jun 1 05:34:23 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:34:23 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> Marks comment did lead me to an theory: If the force of the prop shaft makes that the rear axle press the left wheel on the ground and pulls the right wheel slightly up this would cause the axle to steer because the leaf springs are higher mounted at the rear than in front. If the right wheel goes up and the left goes down the rear axle would change direction to the left.....which make the car going to the right "on throttle" - opposite "off throttle" As I change axle ratio from 4.1 to 4.55 the engine force is greatly increased which might result in more steer from the axle. Could this be? If so, then torque rods are now mandatory. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mark J Bradakis Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Juni 2012 04:27 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD There is also the reaction of the axle housing against the propshaft. The shaft turns one way, the axle reacts in the opposite direction. One wheel is pushed a bit harder into the rollers, one lifted a bit up. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri Jun 1 08:35:34 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 07:35:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] LSD References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net><002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com><8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com><20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net><67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com><20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net><20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> Message-ID: <062A92E5D1664226976EE6C74FA0496B@Charly> You say this happened when you went from a welded diff to a LSD. Could this be caused by the way the torque is delivered to the wheels? On a welded diff, the wheels get exactly the same amount of torque with no split between the sides. With a LSD, there is the possibility that one wheel may get more torque than the other. At this point I think that all the items mentioned before also come into play. I would believe the only way to remedy this would be to put on the torque rods (traction bars) to positively locate the rear axel, and keep from having spring wind up. Make sure you make the mounting fairly stout, as I witnessed a TR4 have one break several weeks ago. and BTW, torque steer is fairly common in TR6's. Charly Mitchel > Marks comment did lead me to an theory: > > If the force of the prop shaft makes that the rear axle press the left > wheel > on the ground and pulls the right wheel slightly up this would cause the > axle to steer because the leaf springs are higher mounted at the rear than > in front. > If the right wheel goes up and the left goes down the rear axle would > change > direction to the left.....which make the car going to the right "on > throttle" - opposite "off throttle" > > As I change axle ratio from 4.1 to 4.55 the engine force is greatly > increased which might result in more steer from the axle. > Could this be? > If so, then torque rods are now mandatory. > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Mark J Bradakis > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Juni 2012 04:27 > An: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD > > There is also the reaction of the axle housing against the propshaft. > The shaft turns one way, the axle reacts in the opposite direction. > One wheel is pushed a bit harder into the rollers, one lifted a bit > up. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jun 1 08:59:49 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:59:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park In-Reply-To: <508AFCF13C40472B8C95BBC1EABC84D8@rocky> References: <4c2a2.5b44e6bb.3cf96b39@aol.com> <508AFCF13C40472B8C95BBC1EABC84D8@rocky> Message-ID: <7157E6CC7D984A77B1786B91497C8094@gdhs.local> Good Lord, I was already at Wake Forest in 1953! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rocky Entriken Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:27 PM To: Catpusher at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park At the risk of dating myself, I was there for the 1953 races. As a pre-teen kid, I didn't know much about racing and nothing about SCCA at the time, but I thought this one guy in a red car whose name rhymed was cool. Of course, I didn't know anything about Phil Hill then either. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:47 PM Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park > For some years I prepped and stored our race car across the street from > Golden Gate Park in SF, and I so wished that I could race there when faced > with flat towing many hours to places like: SIR, Westwood, Riverside, and > Road Atlanta. Over the years I have asked many people where the course > was, > with no clear answer. It was with pleasure that I read Monday's SF paper > and > found a map of the course, and about a new book about the early 1950s > races, co-authored by our own Gary Horstkorta. > > TR Regards, > Hardy > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Jun 1 12:41:25 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 13:41:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park In-Reply-To: <488373492.326076.1338525500312.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <488373492.326076.1338525500312.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FC90CD5.8080509@pobox.com> You might enjoy Bill Pollack's book "Red Wheels and White Sidewalls: Confessions of an Allard Racer". He talks about that race among many others. On 5/31/2012 11:38 PM, vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote: > Yesterday as part of the annual Sonma Historic Motorsports Reunion at Infineon Raceway (actually, as of today Infineon's naming rights expired so it is now Sonoma Raceway), the track held a press conference celebrating the 60th anniversary of the races in Golden Gate Park. Present were three local ex-drivers who participated in those races and three of the original cars that were driven in the races - an ex-Phil Hill Aston Martin DB2, a 1950 Jaguar Parkinson Special and the Mercury flathead powered Baldwin Special. Amazing to see the drivers (all in their early 80s) and the three cars together. It was a kick to watch the ex-drivers all bench racing about the old days. > > This Saturday at the track they will have a seminar with the 1952 race winner, Bill Pollack (event Grand Marshall) plus five of the ex-drivers that raced in the Park. The event is receiving local TV, newspaper and as you've seen, Internet coverage. > > Gary Horstkorta > Archivist - SF Region/SCCa > 1962 TR4 > 1969 TR6 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clark W. Nicholls" > To: Catpusher at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:41:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park > > Is this it, Hardy? > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/27/BAIJ1OM33L.DTL > Another... > http://larkspurcortemadera.patch.com/articles/driver-returns-to-days-of-glor > y > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintage.racer at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From rikrock at live.com Fri Jun 1 17:20:49 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:20:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers Message-ID: Another data point: TVR 2500M. From the TVR plate affixed to body: Build date January 1974. Engine # CF 24923 UE I'll check the numbers on my 1971 Vixen 2500 over the weekend. Rich Rock -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:12 AM To: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; tlizzard at msn.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers What I believe is the original engine from my '72 2500 "hybrid" is CC84762UF. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: Terry Stetler Cc: 'fot' Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 8:50 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers I've never figured out whether the numerals would have been sequential if the engines were sent to other car manufacturers, but I suspect they were. Whereas I don't know if TVR engines were marked specifically for TVR use, Morgan TR engines had a different suffix -- ME instead of E, but retaining the prefix of TS or CT. Duncan (Texas) On May 30, 2012, at 10:13 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Not to mention the several hundred engines sold to TVR over the course of the > years. There were in the neighborhood of 350 Vixen 2500s and who knows how > many M Types with the TR6 engine. > My Vixen is the one car I never should have let slip away... > > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Curry > To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; > 'fot' > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > > > The further along in the production sequence, the further off the numbers > got. This is because engines were pulled from the warehouse for warranty > replacement and dealer spares stock, while commission numbers continued in > numerical sequence. > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock at live.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 2 11:08:44 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:08:44 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> Message-ID: <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> Hi Guys, I installed rods to the axle. http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. Cheers Chris From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 2 12:04:56 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 20:04:56 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of the rod is too large. I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly more than it was but the car felt much better. So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. Cheers Chris And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 An: MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD Chris, Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle relative to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll stiffness. Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the spring but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. Duncan (Texas) On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I installed rods to the axle. > > http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U > > > The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. > Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. > I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sat Jun 2 12:47:32 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:47:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com> <000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> Message-ID: <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> On 6/2/2012 2:04 PM, MadMarx wrote: > I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of the > rod is too large. > I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. > With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly more > than it was but the car felt much better. > So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. > > Cheers > Chris > And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. > > > Chris, as I recall from my old DP car with a Detroit Locker differential; the car would squat to one side or the other under acceleration/deceleration; after I installed a set of torque rods the problem went away. It is important to have the axis of the rod parallel to the frame when the car is at half suspension travel. That should minimize surprises as the suspension hits the limits, as Duncan said below. By the way, it appeared from your video that the rods were welded to the top of the axle. Mine were mounted to a plate under the spring pad; the front of the rods mounted to a bracket I welded to the frame. I have some pictures of a Traction Master rod like I had installed which I can send if you want them. Gluck auf! jim > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] > Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 > An: MadMarx > Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD > > Chris, > > Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, > does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as > the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle relative > to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll > stiffness. > > Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the spring > but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam > Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye > bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), > effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. > > Duncan > (Texas) > > On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: > > >> Hi Guys, >> >> I installed rods to the axle. >> >> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >> >> >> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >> >> Cheers >> Chris > -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 2 13:14:19 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:14:19 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com> <000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <001701cd40f3$ea9200c0$bfb60240$@com> I tried to follow this design but I connected the rod with the spring mount which gives an angle. The angle has the advantage of an anti dive but it seems to stiffen up the suspension and acting like a sway bar. Too unpredictable. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: J.C. Hassall [mailto:jhassall at blacksburg.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 20:48 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD On 6/2/2012 2:04 PM, MadMarx wrote: > I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of the > rod is too large. > I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. > With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly more > than it was but the car felt much better. > So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. > > Cheers > Chris > And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. > > > Chris, as I recall from my old DP car with a Detroit Locker differential; the car would squat to one side or the other under acceleration/deceleration; after I installed a set of torque rods the problem went away. It is important to have the axis of the rod parallel to the frame when the car is at half suspension travel. That should minimize surprises as the suspension hits the limits, as Duncan said below. By the way, it appeared from your video that the rods were welded to the top of the axle. Mine were mounted to a plate under the spring pad; the front of the rods mounted to a bracket I welded to the frame. I have some pictures of a Traction Master rod like I had installed which I can send if you want them. Gluck auf! jim > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] > Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 > An: MadMarx > Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD > > Chris, > > Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, > does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as > the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle relative > to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll > stiffness. > > Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the spring > but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam > Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye > bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), > effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. > > Duncan > (Texas) > > On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: > > >> Hi Guys, >> >> I installed rods to the axle. >> >> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >> >> >> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >> >> Cheers >> Chris > -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 2 13:15:31 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:15:31 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com> <000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <001801cd40f4$15e61310$41b23930$@com> I tried to follow this design but I connected the rod with the spring mount which gives an angle. The angle has the advantage of an anti dive but it seems to stiffen up the suspension and acting like a sway bar. Too unpredictable. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KSmOrPC6I2s/T8plfWxpLFI/AAAAAAAABXs/VDma4 UruAsA/s761/CCI02062012_0000.jpg Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: J.C. Hassall [mailto:jhassall at blacksburg.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 20:48 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD On 6/2/2012 2:04 PM, MadMarx wrote: > I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of the > rod is too large. > I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. > With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly more > than it was but the car felt much better. > So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. > > Cheers > Chris > And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. > > > Chris, as I recall from my old DP car with a Detroit Locker differential; the car would squat to one side or the other under acceleration/deceleration; after I installed a set of torque rods the problem went away. It is important to have the axis of the rod parallel to the frame when the car is at half suspension travel. That should minimize surprises as the suspension hits the limits, as Duncan said below. By the way, it appeared from your video that the rods were welded to the top of the axle. Mine were mounted to a plate under the spring pad; the front of the rods mounted to a bracket I welded to the frame. I have some pictures of a Traction Master rod like I had installed which I can send if you want them. Gluck auf! jim > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] > Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 > An: MadMarx > Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD > > Chris, > > Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, > does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as > the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle relative > to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll > stiffness. > > Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the spring > but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam > Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye > bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), > effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. > > Duncan > (Texas) > > On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: > > >> Hi Guys, >> >> I installed rods to the axle. >> >> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >> >> >> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >> >> Cheers >> Chris > -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Jun 2 13:34:40 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:34:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <001801cd40f4$15e61310$41b23930$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com> <000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> <001801cd40f4$15e61310$41b23930$@com> Message-ID: Hey Chris......Those things are called Traction Bars here in NASCAR country & they are fully adjustable in a 5 second pit stop. Try a few of their web sites ...... Sent from my iPhone On Jun 2, 2012, at 3:15 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > I tried to follow this design but I connected the rod with the spring mount > which gives an angle. > The angle has the advantage of an anti dive but it seems to stiffen up the > suspension and acting like a sway bar. > Too unpredictable. > https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KSmOrPC6I2s/T8plfWxpLFI/AAAAAAAABXs/VDma4 > UruAsA/s761/CCI02062012_0000.jpg > > > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: J.C. Hassall [mailto:jhassall at blacksburg.net] > Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 20:48 > An: MadMarx > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD > > On 6/2/2012 2:04 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of the >> rod is too large. >> I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. >> With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly > more >> than it was but the car felt much better. >> So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. >> >> >> > Chris, as I recall from my old DP car with a Detroit Locker > differential; the car would squat to one side or the other under > acceleration/deceleration; after I installed a set of torque rods the > problem went away. It is important to have the axis of the rod parallel > to the frame when the car is at half suspension travel. That should > minimize surprises as the suspension hits the limits, as Duncan said > below. By the way, it appeared from your video that the rods were > welded to the top of the axle. Mine were mounted to a plate under the > spring pad; the front of the rods mounted to a bracket I welded to the > frame. > > I have some pictures of a Traction Master rod like I had installed which > I can send if you want them. > > Gluck auf! > > jim >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] >> Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 >> An: MadMarx >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD >> >> Chris, >> >> Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, >> does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as >> the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle > relative >> to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll >> stiffness. >> >> Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the spring >> but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam >> Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye >> bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), >> effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. >> >> Duncan >> (Texas) >> >> On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> I installed rods to the axle. >>> >>> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >>> >>> >>> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >>> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >>> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Chris >> > > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From stutzmans at comcast.net Sat Jun 2 13:50:06 2012 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:50:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net><002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com><8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com><20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net><67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com><20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net><20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com><000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com><95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net><003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com><25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com><000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: Years ago I modified the rear springs of my TR4 as outlined by Carroll Smith in TUNE TO WIN page 157. It really works well. I removed the track rods that were problematic. I turned the front half of the springs into trailing arms by tightly clamping the leaves together which located the axle. The back half of the spring does the springing. First, however, I installed the late TR4 springs that are longer behind the axle. Works well! Bruce . ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "MadMarx" Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > On 6/2/2012 2:04 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of >> the >> rod is too large. >> I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. >> With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly >> more >> than it was but the car felt much better. >> So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. >> >> >> > Chris, as I recall from my old DP car with a Detroit Locker differential; > the car would squat to one side or the other under > acceleration/deceleration; after I installed a set of torque rods the > problem went away. It is important to have the axis of the rod parallel > to the frame when the car is at half suspension travel. That should > minimize surprises as the suspension hits the limits, as Duncan said > below. By the way, it appeared from your video that the rods were welded > to the top of the axle. Mine were mounted to a plate under the spring > pad; the front of the rods mounted to a bracket I welded to the frame. > > I have some pictures of a Traction Master rod like I had installed which I > can send if you want them. > > Gluck auf! > > jim >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] >> Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 >> An: MadMarx >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD >> >> Chris, >> >> Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, >> does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as >> the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle >> relative >> to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll >> stiffness. >> >> Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the >> spring >> but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam >> Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye >> bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), >> effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. >> >> Duncan >> (Texas) >> >> On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> I installed rods to the axle. >>> >>> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >>> >>> >>> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >>> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >>> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Chris >> > > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 2 14:11:17 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 22:11:17 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net><002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com><8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com><20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net><67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com><20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net><20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com><000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com><95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net><003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com><25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com><000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <000001cd40fb$e1067c40$a31374c0$@com> Just found an online version of that book. Shelby says that the sway bars start fighting each other on cornering.....I think that I felt in that car. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Stutzmans [mailto:stutzmans at comcast.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 21:50 An: J.C. Hassall; MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD Years ago I modified the rear springs of my TR4 as outlined by Carroll Smith in TUNE TO WIN page 157. It really works well. I removed the track rods that were problematic. I turned the front half of the springs into trailing arms by tightly clamping the leaves together which located the axle. The back half of the spring does the springing. First, however, I installed the late TR4 springs that are longer behind the axle. Works well! Bruce . ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "MadMarx" Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > On 6/2/2012 2:04 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of >> the >> rod is too large. >> I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. >> With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly >> more >> than it was but the car felt much better. >> So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. >> >> >> > Chris, as I recall from my old DP car with a Detroit Locker differential; > the car would squat to one side or the other under > acceleration/deceleration; after I installed a set of torque rods the > problem went away. It is important to have the axis of the rod parallel > to the frame when the car is at half suspension travel. That should > minimize surprises as the suspension hits the limits, as Duncan said > below. By the way, it appeared from your video that the rods were welded > to the top of the axle. Mine were mounted to a plate under the spring > pad; the front of the rods mounted to a bracket I welded to the frame. > > I have some pictures of a Traction Master rod like I had installed which I > can send if you want them. > > Gluck auf! > > jim >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] >> Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 >> An: MadMarx >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD >> >> Chris, >> >> Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, >> does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as >> the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle >> relative >> to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll >> stiffness. >> >> Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the >> spring >> but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam >> Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye >> bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), >> effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. >> >> Duncan >> (Texas) >> >> On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> I installed rods to the axle. >>> >>> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >>> >>> >>> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >>> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >>> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Chris >> > > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 2 14:21:36 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 22:21:36 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net><002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com><8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com><20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net><67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com><20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net><20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com><000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com><95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net><003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com><25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com><000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <000401cd40fd$51e7ed30$f5b7c790$@com> Ah, sorry, meant traction bars not sway bars. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 22:11 An: 'Stutzmans'; 'J.C. Hassall' Cc: 'fot at autox.team.net' Betreff: AW: [Fot] LSD Just found an online version of that book. Shelby says that the sway bars start fighting each other on cornering.....I think that I felt in that car. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Stutzmans [mailto:stutzmans at comcast.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 21:50 An: J.C. Hassall; MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD Years ago I modified the rear springs of my TR4 as outlined by Carroll Smith in TUNE TO WIN page 157. It really works well. I removed the track rods that were problematic. I turned the front half of the springs into trailing arms by tightly clamping the leaves together which located the axle. The back half of the spring does the springing. First, however, I installed the late TR4 springs that are longer behind the axle. Works well! Bruce . ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "MadMarx" Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > On 6/2/2012 2:04 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of >> the >> rod is too large. >> I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. >> With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly >> more >> than it was but the car felt much better. >> So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. >> >> >> > Chris, as I recall from my old DP car with a Detroit Locker differential; > the car would squat to one side or the other under > acceleration/deceleration; after I installed a set of torque rods the > problem went away. It is important to have the axis of the rod parallel > to the frame when the car is at half suspension travel. That should > minimize surprises as the suspension hits the limits, as Duncan said > below. By the way, it appeared from your video that the rods were welded > to the top of the axle. Mine were mounted to a plate under the spring > pad; the front of the rods mounted to a bracket I welded to the frame. > > I have some pictures of a Traction Master rod like I had installed which I > can send if you want them. > > Gluck auf! > > jim >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] >> Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 >> An: MadMarx >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD >> >> Chris, >> >> Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, >> does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as >> the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle >> relative >> to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll >> stiffness. >> >> Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the >> spring >> but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam >> Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye >> bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), >> effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. >> >> Duncan >> (Texas) >> >> On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> I installed rods to the axle. >>> >>> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >>> >>> >>> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >>> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >>> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Chris >> > > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Jun 2 16:54:51 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:54:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <000401cd40fd$51e7ed30$f5b7c790$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net><002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com><8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com><20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net><67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com><20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net><20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com><000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com><95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net><003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com><25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com><000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> <000401cd40fd$51e7ed30$f5b7c790$@com> Message-ID: <000601cd4112$b9bcfe40$2d36fac0$@com> For what it's worth, our TR4 had been set up for racing and raced somewhat extensively in the early 80's and we think previously. It had homemade traction bars on it when we got it. I asked Jack Drews what he thought of them and whether we should re-install them when we built the car. He said that he had tried them and unless you get the geometry right on during the motion of the axle, which I think was parallel to the spring pivot and axle, they caused more problems than they solved. He took his off and advised us not to re-install them. We did not and we like the way the car handles. Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 >> >> Chris, >> >> Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, >> does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as >> the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle >> relative >> to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll >> stiffness. >> >> Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the >> spring >> but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam >> Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye >> bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), >> effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. >> >> Duncan >> (Texas) >> >> On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> I installed rods to the axle. >>> >>> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >>> >>> >>> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >>> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >>> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Chris >> > > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From rikrock at live.com Sun Jun 3 16:42:17 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 18:42:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers Message-ID: TVR Vixen 2500 Build date January 6 1971. Engine number on mfg plate is CC64883E -----Original Message----- From: Rich Rock Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 7:20 PM To: fubog1; duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; tlizzard at msn.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers Another data point: TVR 2500M. From the TVR plate affixed to body: Build date January 1974. Engine # CF 24923 UE I'll check the numbers on my 1971 Vixen 2500 over the weekend. Rich Rock -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:12 AM To: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; tlizzard at msn.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers What I believe is the original engine from my '72 2500 "hybrid" is CC84762UF. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: Terry Stetler Cc: 'fot' Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 8:50 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers I've never figured out whether the numerals would have been sequential if the engines were sent to other car manufacturers, but I suspect they were. Whereas I don't know if TVR engines were marked specifically for TVR use, Morgan TR engines had a different suffix -- ME instead of E, but retaining the prefix of TS or CT. Duncan (Texas) On May 30, 2012, at 10:13 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Not to mention the several hundred engines sold to TVR over the course of the > years. There were in the neighborhood of 350 Vixen 2500s and who knows how > many M Types with the TR6 engine. > My Vixen is the one car I never should have let slip away... > > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Curry > To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; > 'fot' > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > > > The further along in the production sequence, the further off the numbers > got. This is because engines were pulled from the warehouse for warranty > replacement and dealer spares stock, while commission numbers continued in > numerical sequence. > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock at live.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock at live.com From garygret at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 3 23:42:07 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 22:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 racecar for sale Message-ID: <1338788527.33959.YahooMailRC@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici, Itbs time for me to thin the herd to make room for other projects. For sale is my 1963 RHD TR4 race car, prepared to EProduction specs, possibly could be brought back to vintage trim or just take the drive train. Race car since 1974, ex-Chip Bond, Jack Wheeler. One of the last Uncle Jack engines freshened late 2010 by Historic Racecar, new Ross pistons, O-ringed liners, Moldex crank, Carillo rods, roller rockers, GT40 lifters, ARP, stainless header, Greg Solow oil pump, Tilton flywheel/clutch, Al rad, new Accusump, Quantum Mechanics synchros/bushes, 4.55 Detroit Locker, Jeff Snook axles/flanges. Carbon/Kevlar & fiberglass panels plus all original sheet metal. Many spares incl. complete trans/OD. Lots more details and photos for anyone interested. Asking $5000, less than you could build the engine for. Regards, Gary Schneider Madison WI From triosan at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 09:12:49 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:12:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transmission identified -- anyone want to buy it? Message-ID: A couple of weeks ago I asked for help in identifying a 4 speed/OD TR transmission I have. You all told me to look for hand stamped marking by clutch level shaft -- found it. Says MK 1500!. The input shaft is 1x10, not 1.25x10 as found in a TR6. Has a very functional J-type OD. Did run in my street TR6 for a thousand miles or so [6 years ago]. The bell housing was damaged and a small piece welded back on -- does not impact fit or performance. Would like to get $400 for it. Pictures upon request. -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From fpspitfire at comcast.net Mon Jun 4 15:58:44 2012 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (Aaron Johnson) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 17:58:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Revolution wheels for sale. 13 x 5.5 Message-ID: <04DD8DC5-4325-48B5-99DC-B2C728B698ED@comcast.net> 2 revolution wheels. 13" x 5.5 on 3 3/4 bolt circle. Spitfire rear offset (with the dish). Black spokes. Have good year rains on them which I can get taken off. $175 for the pair plus shipping. Aaron Johnson 317-517-4587 From sjanzen at me.com Mon Jun 4 19:39:47 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 21:39:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 looking for a trailer ride from Madison WI eastbound Message-ID: I just committed to buy Gary Schneider's TR4 and am looking for a way to get it moved eastward. I'm in the Philadelphia area - could probably retrieve from as far west as Ohio. Happy to help pay for gas! Gary and I would like to get it out of there in the next month or so. Thanks! Scott Janzen sjanzen at me.com 215-817-9315 From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Jun 6 12:43:37 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 11:43:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] wtd: 4: 1 CWP Message-ID: Hi All, I'm in the Need of a TR 3/4, 4.1 CWP. Must be in good useable cond. please contact me off list. Thank youTony Garmey206 612 1782 From igofaster at att.net Wed Jun 6 12:55:04 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 11:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] GTA #10 Valvoline Message-ID: <1339008904.19276.YahooMailRC@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> well... with the help of one of my sons I FINALLY got a YouTube posting on my GTA car... it is only my second session. It was HOT in North Texas.. The grasshoppers had covered the air dam in 5 minutes so it's a short video. I'm not racing just trying to drive without hic-ups... I've got another one to post when the rear end came out once... enjoy! Bobby Whitehead http://youtu.be/6j7TBAchmrg From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jun 6 15:25:17 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 23:25:17 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> Message-ID: <001201cd442a$e0dc46a0$a294d3e0$@com> I feel a little video is coming on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8Wx0_DPVm8&feature=youtu.be And the tramp bars: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3r6FX4NXsZw/T8_IiglnzXI/AAAAAAAABYE/sfCYJ bBJyn0/s761/DSC02759.JPG Cheers Chris From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Jun 6 20:03:34 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 20:03:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Message-ID: Fot, I'm a little stuck on something. I want to install an expansion tank on the car but from what I understand about them the bottom of the expansion tank needs to be higher than the head. I use a Griffin radiator which is lower than the thermostat housing. I can't see a way to get the bottom of the tank higher than the thermostat housing. I have my eye on a couple models Canton Makes but at best the bottom of the tank would still be slightly lower than the top of the thermo housing. Any idea's would be greatly appreciated. jim g From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jun 6 20:45:53 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 02:45:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Message-ID: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> Granted, this is on a GT6, I also have a Griffin, my tank sits parallel to the valve cover running length wise between the cover and the carbs. It sits above the manifold and is fed upwards from the radiator with the same size radiator hose as all the others. Its made out of the brass (solid portion) of a stock GT6 radiator with a fabricated flat bottom. As an extra precaution I have a tube leading to a small overflow bottle in the unused battery box, which has yet to accumulate anything significant in it. This system has served me well so far. Gigantic radiator... No fan. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Jim Gray Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Sent: Jun 6, 2012 9:03 PM Fot, I'm a little stuck on something. I want to install an expansion tank on the car but from what I understand about them the bottom of the expansion tank needs to be higher than the head. I use a Griffin radiator which is lower than the thermostat housing. I can't see a way to get the bottom of the tank higher than the thermostat housing. I have my eye on a couple models Canton Makes but at best the bottom of the tank would still be slightly lower than the top of the thermo housing. Any idea's would be greatly appreciated. jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jun 6 21:43:18 2012 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 20:43:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> Sounds like a Spitfire Mk1 expansion tank. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jason at multivintage.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 7:46 PM To: Jim Gray; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Granted, this is on a GT6, I also have a Griffin, my tank sits parallel to the valve cover running length wise between the cover and the carbs. It sits above the manifold and is fed upwards from the radiator with the same size radiator hose as all the others. Its made out of the brass (solid portion) of a stock GT6 radiator with a fabricated flat bottom. As an extra precaution I have a tube leading to a small overflow bottle in the unused battery box, which has yet to accumulate anything significant in it. This system has served me well so far. Gigantic radiator... No fan. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Jim Gray Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Sent: Jun 6, 2012 9:03 PM Fot, I'm a little stuck on something. I want to install an expansion tank on the car but from what I understand about them the bottom of the expansion tank needs to be higher than the head. I use a Griffin radiator which is lower than the thermostat housing. I can't see a way to get the bottom of the tank higher than the thermostat housing. I have my eye on a couple models Canton Makes but at best the bottom of the tank would still be slightly lower than the top of the thermo housing. Any idea's would be greatly appreciated. jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 06:04:45 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:04:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> Message-ID: Jim , I also use the Griffin radiator and love it, for the exspansion tank I have something simple and light, a plastic windshield wiper water bottle that you can get from Autozone for 8 to 9 dollars , about a quart and a half and you can see what is in it, sits in the battery box area in a bracket that comes with it, has worked well for 5 years now.Doubt that you can get any cheaper and still look acceptable... nothing fancy. On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > Sounds like a Spitfire Mk1 expansion tank. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of jason at multivintage.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 7:46 PM > To: Jim Gray; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Granted, this is on a GT6, I also have a Griffin, my tank sits parallel to > the valve cover running length wise between the cover and the carbs. It > sits above the manifold and is fed upwards from the radiator with the same > size radiator hose as all the others. Its made out of the brass (solid > portion) of a stock GT6 radiator with a fabricated flat bottom. As an extra > precaution I have a tube leading to a small overflow bottle in the unused > battery box, which has yet to accumulate anything significant in it. This > system has served me well so far. Gigantic radiator... No fan. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > ------Original Message------ > From: Jim Gray > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > Sent: Jun 6, 2012 9:03 PM > > Fot, > > I'm a little stuck on something. I want to install an expansion tank on the > car but from what I > > understand about them the bottom of the expansion tank needs to be higher > than the head. > > I use a Griffin radiator which is lower than the thermostat housing. > > I can't see a way to get the bottom of the tank higher than the thermostat > housing. > > I have my eye on a couple models Canton Makes but at best the bottom of the > tank would > > still be slightly lower than the top of the thermo housing. > > Any idea's would be greatly appreciated. > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From clw2000 at msn.com Thu Jun 7 06:20:23 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:20:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry>, <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista>, Message-ID: Question: why does the placement need to be above the thermostat level when the stock bottle was mounted near the bottom of the engine (on a GT6 anyway)? > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:04:45 -0400 > From: rfdeanes at gmail.com > To: spitlist at cox.net > CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Jim , I also use the Griffin radiator and love it, for the exspansion tank > I have something simple and light, a plastic windshield wiper water bottle > that you can get from Autozone for 8 to 9 dollars , about a quart and a > half and you can see what is in it, sits in the battery box area in a > bracket that comes with it, has worked well for 5 years now.Doubt that you > can get any cheaper and still look acceptable... nothing fancy. > > > On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > > > Sounds like a Spitfire Mk1 expansion tank. > > > > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of jason at multivintage.com > > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 7:46 PM > > To: Jim Gray; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > > > Granted, this is on a GT6, I also have a Griffin, my tank sits parallel to > > the valve cover running length wise between the cover and the carbs. It > > sits above the manifold and is fed upwards from the radiator with the same > > size radiator hose as all the others. Its made out of the brass (solid > > portion) of a stock GT6 radiator with a fabricated flat bottom. As an extra > > precaution I have a tube leading to a small overflow bottle in the unused > > battery box, which has yet to accumulate anything significant in it. This > > system has served me well so far. Gigantic radiator... No fan. > > Jason Ostrowski > > Friendly Ghost Racing > > ------Original Message------ > > From: Jim Gray > > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Sent: Jun 6, 2012 9:03 PM > > > > Fot, > > > > I'm a little stuck on something. I want to install an expansion tank on the > > car but from what I > > > > understand about them the bottom of the expansion tank needs to be higher > > than the head. > > > > I use a Griffin radiator which is lower than the thermostat housing. > > > > I can't see a way to get the bottom of the tank higher than the thermostat > > housing. > > > > I have my eye on a couple models Canton Makes but at best the bottom of the > > tank would > > > > still be slightly lower than the top of the thermo housing. > > > > Any idea's would be greatly appreciated. > > > > jim g > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jun 7 06:24:00 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:24:00 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Message-ID: I use an Opel Manta 2L radiator with an Opel B Kadet expansion tank. I had an overflow bottle but the bottle caused trouble if the water is forced out by a leaking head gasket. I removed the bottle. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jun 7 06:46:09 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:46:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> , <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> , Message-ID: I think here is a confusion going on. Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the filler cap. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Charles WATSON Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:20:23 Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Question: why does the placement need to be above the thermostat level when the stock bottle was mounted near the bottom of the engine (on a GT6 anyway)? > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:04:45 -0400 > From: rfdeanes at gmail.com > To: spitlist at cox.net > CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Jim , I also use the Griffin radiator and love it, for the exspansion tank > I have something simple and light, a plastic windshield wiper water bottle > that you can get from Autozone for 8 to 9 dollars , about a quart and a > half and you can see what is in it, sits in the battery box area in a > bracket that comes with it, has worked well for 5 years now.Doubt that you > can get any cheaper and still look acceptable... nothing fancy. > > > On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > > > Sounds like a Spitfire Mk1 expansion tank. > > > > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of jason at multivintage.com > > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 7:46 PM > > To: Jim Gray; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > > > Granted, this is on a GT6, I also have a Griffin, my tank sits parallel to > > the valve cover running length wise between the cover and the carbs. It > > sits above the manifold and is fed upwards from the radiator with the same > > size radiator hose as all the others. Its made out of the brass (solid > > portion) of a stock GT6 radiator with a fabricated flat bottom. As an extra > > precaution I have a tube leading to a small overflow bottle in the unused > > battery box, which has yet to accumulate anything significant in it. This > > system has served me well so far. Gigantic radiator... No fan. > > Jason Ostrowski > > Friendly Ghost Racing > > ------Original Message------ > > From: Jim Gray > > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Sent: Jun 6, 2012 9:03 PM > > > > Fot, > > > > I'm a little stuck on something. I want to install an expansion tank on the > > car but from what I > > > > understand about them the bottom of the expansion tank needs to be higher > > than the head. > > > > I use a Griffin radiator which is lower than the thermostat housing. > > > > I can't see a way to get the bottom of the tank higher than the thermostat > > housing. > > > > I have my eye on a couple models Canton Makes but at best the bottom of the > > tank would > > > > still be slightly lower than the top of the thermo housing. > > > > Any idea's would be greatly appreciated. > > > > jim g > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu Jun 7 08:36:46 2012 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 07:36:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry>, <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> , <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I have two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good shape. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question I think here is a confusion going on. Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the filler cap. Cheers Chris From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 08:59:11 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> Message-ID: Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet and petcock drain. On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I have > two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good > shape. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM > To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net > Cc: FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > I think here is a confusion going on. > > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the > filler cap. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jun 7 09:15:11 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:15:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> Message-ID: It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Robert Deanes Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 To: Joe Curry Cc: ; Charles WATSON; ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet and petcock drain. On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I have > two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good > shape. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM > To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net > Cc: FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > I think here is a confusion going on. > > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the > filler cap. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jun 7 10:31:33 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:31:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <20120607124658.8C9542D0B3A@autox.team.net> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> , <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> , <20120607124658.8C9542D0B3A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <01ff01cd44cb$00d54880$027fd980$@rr.com> > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than > the filler cap. I agree on the definition of expansion vs overflow (aka recovery). But, while it is better/easier to have the expansion tank at the top; it can still work mounted lower. One example is the later (73 onwards) Triumph Stag, which had an expansion tank mounted near the bottom of the radiator. The downside of having it down there is that you cannot use its cap to fill the system (the Stag has a separate filler cap without a pressure relief), and you cannot tell if the system is leaking (or is full) by the level in the expansion tank. The Stag's expansion tank was attached to the radiator by a small tube running to the top of the LH radiator tank, so any small amount of accumulated air would tend to find its way into the bottle as the system warmed up. -- Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jun 7 12:41:57 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 18:41:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <01ff01cd44cb$00d54880$027fd980$@rr.com> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> , <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> , <20120607124658.8C9542D0B3A@autox.team.net> <01ff01cd44cb$00d54880$027fd980$@rr.com> Message-ID: Hi Randall, I use the tank for 3 purposes: - filling the system properly - to keep more coolant - to vent the system automatically. If the water pump might cavitate you get air in the system which will after a while force out water if not removed. The venting hoses which are connected with the tank immediately removes any bubbles and send them to the tank where they don't do any harm. Very important on endurance races with long straights. Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: "Randall" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:31:33 Cc: 'FOT List' Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than > the filler cap. I agree on the definition of expansion vs overflow (aka recovery). But, while it is better/easier to have the expansion tank at the top; it can still work mounted lower. One example is the later (73 onwards) Triumph Stag, which had an expansion tank mounted near the bottom of the radiator. The downside of having it down there is that you cannot use its cap to fill the system (the Stag has a separate filler cap without a pressure relief), and you cannot tell if the system is leaking (or is full) by the level in the expansion tank. The Stag's expansion tank was attached to the radiator by a small tube running to the top of the LH radiator tank, so any small amount of accumulated air would tend to find its way into the bottle as the system warmed up. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 7 13:59:19 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] "SPITFIRE & GT6" MAGAZINE FOT CONTENT HUGE Message-ID: <8CF12FF290334FF-2320-E074@webmail-m032.sysops.aol.com> FOT This last edition of SPITFIRE & GT6 magazine has a lot of FOT content: Review of Kas' latest book. An exceptionally good article by Kas on the Spitfire and GT6. Several pictures of FOT members at work in the cockpit. The next issue will contain extensive coverage on the MITTY. Certainly worth acquiring copies or subscription. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Jun 7 14:06:26 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:06:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> <20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Robert Deanes Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 To: Joe Curry Cc: ; Charles WATSON; ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet and petcock drain. On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I have > two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good > shape. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM > To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net > Cc: FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > I think here is a confusion going on. > > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the > filler cap. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Thu Jun 7 15:46:08 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (T Thompson) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Electronic Distributor and Total Advance Message-ID: <1339105568.69695.YahooMailNeo@web120903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I recently purchased a True Spark Programmable Distributor. My Mallory Dual Point had so much play at the top of the shaft (thanks to Mark Eden for noticing this) that the point gap and dwell was very erratic at high RPMs. So I went with the True Spark that Mark had bought as well from BP Northwest. My question has to deal with the bushings included with the distributor to adjust total advance. We obviously can't do static timing and at idle it is likely there is some degree of advance occuring already (I can't idle down to 500 rpms with the cams we run). For now, I have installed the distributor with no bushings and set the timing. That is to supposed to give me 30 degrees of total advance. It starts missing at about 5000 rpms. My next step was to try retarding it more to see if that helps. My question is how to determine which bushing to use, if any, to give me the best performance. I don't have a dyno or a racetrack in my back yard, so I was wondering if anyone else is running this distributor, and which bushing they may have used. Total advance is configurable from 18 to 30. I was thinking of just getting as low of idle as possible and seeing what the difference is advance is between that and my preferred total advance, but then I thought someone else on this group likely runs the same distributor and may get me closer. Bought the distributor from BPN. Part number is 41427HP. The good thing now is that when I do set the timing, the mark on the pulley does not fluctuate (at all). Before it was hopping all over the place. Thanks in advance for your help. Ty From kaskas at cox.net Thu Jun 7 16:39:29 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 22:39:29 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry>, <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista>, , , <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net>, <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista>, , <20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net>, <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> Message-ID: Lets see...CWP, CROWN WHEEL & PINION, nah! that 's too easy, must be something I never heard of before. Never be beaten by equipment > From: timmurph at fastbytes.com > To: tr4racing at googlemail.com; rfdeanes at gmail.com; spitlist at cox.net > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:06:26 -0500 > CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still > trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM > To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry > Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people > have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Deanes > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 > To: Joe Curry > Cc: ; Charles WATSON; > ; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described > is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and > cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in > different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet > and petcock drain. > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > > > By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I > have > > two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good > > shape. > > > > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM > > To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net > > Cc: FOT List > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > > > I think here is a confusion going on. > > > > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the > > filler cap. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Jun 7 16:56:47 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:56:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> <20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net> <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> Message-ID: <29132C61-680D-4A19-83FB-BFCDF5403F54@comcast.net> Tony says it means crown/wheel/pinion. Gary Sent from my iPad On Jun 7, 2012, at 1:06 PM, "Tim Murphy" wrote: > I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still > trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM > To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry > Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people > have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Deanes > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 > To: Joe Curry > Cc: ; Charles WATSON; > ; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described > is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and > cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in > different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet > and petcock drain. > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I > have >> two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good >> shape. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM >> To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> Cc: FOT List >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question >> >> I think here is a confusion going on. >> >> Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in >> store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. >> >> Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the >> filler cap. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintage.racer at comcast.net From fasttrs at yahoo.com Thu Jun 7 17:57:27 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 18:57:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> <20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net> <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> Message-ID: Ha Ha, me too Tim, although Tony is from New Zealand. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2012, at 3:06 PM, "Tim Murphy" wrote: > I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still > trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM > To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry > Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people > have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Deanes > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 > To: Joe Curry > Cc: ; Charles WATSON; > ; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described > is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and > cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in > different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet > and petcock drain. > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I > have >> two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good >> shape. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM >> To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> Cc: FOT List >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question >> >> I think here is a confusion going on. >> >> Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in >> store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. >> >> Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the >> filler cap. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Jun 7 17:58:10 2012 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:58:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <20120607152448.40F4C2D0CC6@autox.team.net> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry><25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista><20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net><1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> <20120607152448.40F4C2D0CC6@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Sometimes German into English is tough too. (grin) You do an exceptionally good job Chris. JVV -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:15 AM To: Robert Deanes ; Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 7 18:05:24 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 20:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] CLASSIC MOTOR SPORTS & GRASSROOTS MOTOR SPORTS OFFER In-Reply-To: <5C79BC1C-4ABB-437D-A820-6BC15760871D@grassrootsmotorsports.com> References: <8CF12FF290334FF-2320-E074@webmail-m032.sysops.aol.com> <5C79BC1C-4ABB-437D-A820-6BC15760871D@grassrootsmotorsports.com> Message-ID: <8CF132189C1FBE8-1C64-11566@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> I get both magazines and always look forward to reading them. And of course, the FOT has been supported by Tim Suddard's publishing organization since the first TRIUMPH race we held at Mid-Ohio in 2002. See Andy Reid's offer below with new subscriptions....in time for coverage of the FOT and THE MITTY. (Thanks Andy) Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Andy Reid To: Joe Alexander Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2012 4:53 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] "SPITFIRE & GT6" MAGAZINE FOT CONTENT HUGE Hey Joe, the next copy of Grassroots Motorsports and Classic Motorsports also have lots of Mitty and FOT content, especially Classic Motorsports. Any FOT member can get a subscription for 19.95 and I will throw in a shirt with the Mitty poster art on it as well. Andy Andy Reid Senior Editor/Marketing Director Classic Motorsports magazine Grassroots Motorsports magazine andy at classicmotorsports.net www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com 804-400-6258 On Jun 7, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT > > This last edition of SPITFIRE & GT6 magazine has a lot of FOT content: > > Review of Kas' latest book. > > An exceptionally good article by Kas on the Spitfire and GT6. > > Several pictures of FOT members at work in the cockpit. > > The next issue will contain extensive coverage on the MITTY. > > Certainly worth acquiring copies or subscription. > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andy at classicmotorsports.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 7 18:09:47 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 20:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry><25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista><20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net><1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista><20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net> <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> Message-ID: <8CF1322261432B5-1C64-1159E@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> Crown & Pinion Gear....but I guessed at this. Tony is a New Zealander and speaks a really foreign language. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tim Murphy To: tr4racing ; 'Robert Deanes' ; 'Joe Curry' Cc: fot-bounces ; 'FOT List' Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2012 4:41 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Robert Deanes Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 To: Joe Curry Cc: ; Charles WATSON; ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet and petcock drain. On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I have > two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good > shape. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM > To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net > Cc: FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > I think here is a confusion going on. > > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the > filler cap. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From awashatko at wi.rr.com Thu Jun 7 18:24:31 2012 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:24:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Helmut Message-ID: <1C8EC3F3-1604-4F54-AFCB-60D4BE85B7F1@wi.rr.com> Anyone need a Bell Snell SA90 helmut? Size 7-3/8. Allen Jody & Allen Washatko W51 N664 Highland Drive Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 617-6801 From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Jun 7 18:26:00 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:26:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> <20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net> <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> Message-ID: <001901cd450d$482c8120$d8858360$@com> Ah, that explains it. Another one of those English speaking folks I can't understand:) Like the Irish, the Scottish and some of the English people I ran into in London. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson [mailto:fasttrs at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 6:57 PM To: Tim Murphy Cc: ; Robert Deanes; Joe Curry; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Ha Ha, me too Tim, although Tony is from New Zealand. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2012, at 3:06 PM, "Tim Murphy" wrote: > I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still > trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM > To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry > Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people > have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Deanes > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 > To: Joe Curry > Cc: ; Charles WATSON; > ; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described > is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and > cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in > different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet > and petcock drain. > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I > have >> two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good >> shape. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM >> To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> Cc: FOT List >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question >> >> I think here is a confusion going on. >> >> Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in >> store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. >> >> Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the >> filler cap. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From rikrock at live.com Thu Jun 7 18:40:35 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 20:40:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] CWP Message-ID: Tony is not the only one looking for a good 4.1 CWP. (Ring and pinion gear) Rich Rock From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 7 19:06:26 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:06:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CWP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FD15012.50401@bradakis.com> Clowns With Popcorn? mjb. From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Thu Jun 7 19:04:08 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:04:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] CLASSIC MOTOR SPORTS & GRASSROOTS MOTOR SPORTS OFFER In-Reply-To: <8CF132189C1FBE8-1C64-11566@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF12FF290334FF-2320-E074@webmail-m032.sysops.aol.com> <5C79BC1C-4ABB-437D-A820-6BC15760871D@grassrootsmotorsports.com> <8CF132189C1FBE8-1C64-11566@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4FD14F88.6030903@cfl.rr.com> At one time they offered a lifetime subscription for $99. On 6/7/12 8:05 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I get both magazines and always look forward to reading them. > > And of course, the FOT has been supported by Tim Suddard's publishing > organization since the first TRIUMPH race we held at Mid-Ohio in 2002. > > See Andy Reid's offer below with new subscriptions....in time for coverage of > the FOT and THE MITTY. (Thanks Andy) > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Reid > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2012 4:53 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] "SPITFIRE& GT6" MAGAZINE FOT CONTENT HUGE > > > Hey Joe, the next copy of Grassroots Motorsports and Classic Motorsports also > have lots of Mitty and FOT content, especially Classic Motorsports. Any FOT > member can get a subscription for 19.95 and I will throw in a shirt with the > Mitty poster art on it as well. > Andy > > > Andy Reid > Senior Editor/Marketing Director > Classic Motorsports magazine > Grassroots Motorsports magazine > andy at classicmotorsports.net > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > 804-400-6258 > > > > On Jun 7, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> FOT >> >> This last edition of SPITFIRE& GT6 magazine has a lot of FOT content: >> >> Review of Kas' latest book. >> >> An exceptionally good article by Kas on the Spitfire and GT6. >> >> Several pictures of FOT members at work in the cockpit. >> >> The next issue will contain extensive coverage on the MITTY. >> >> Certainly worth acquiring copies or subscription. >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andy at classicmotorsports.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 7 19:12:10 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 21:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] CWP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF132ADD48BAE2-1C64-12837@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> I have one. It has pitting on one pinion tooth and I am unsure if it is acceptable. Tony has right of first refusal, at this time. I have had it on the shelf for several years and will likely never use it. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Rich Rock To: fot Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:03 pm Subject: [Fot] CWP Tony is not the only one looking for a good 4.1 CWP. (Ring and pinion gear) Rich Rock _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From igofaster at att.net Thu Jun 7 20:45:41 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] "SPITFIRE & GT6" MAGAZINE FOT CONTENT HUGE In-Reply-To: <8CF12FF290334FF-2320-E074@webmail-m032.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF12FF290334FF-2320-E074@webmail-m032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1339123541.31751.YahooMailRC@web180809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> went online and secured a subscription.... hopefully there will be a shot of me and Kas at the Mitty signing my GT6 "ready to push, Kas Kastner" ..... NOT REALLY! he signed "Racing Soon....Kas Kastner" ... Kas and Peggy were an honor and pleasure to meet! Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, June 7, 2012 4:39:21 PM Subject: [Fot] "SPITFIRE & GT6" MAGAZINE FOT CONTENT HUGE FOT This last edition of SPITFIRE & GT6 magazine has a lot of FOT content: Review of Kas' latest book. An exceptionally good article by Kas on the Spitfire and GT6. Several pictures of FOT members at work in the cockpit. The next issue will contain extensive coverage on the MITTY. Certainly worth acquiring copies or subscription. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From igofaster at att.net Thu Jun 7 20:48:57 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry>, <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista>, , , <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net>, <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista>, , <20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net>, <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> Message-ID: <1339123737.41901.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> CWP that's easy Crown Whiskey Please....... (not a Crown drinker.... but.....) Bobby ________________________________ From: Kas Kastner To: Tim Murphy ; MadMarx ; rfdeanes at gmail.com; spitlist at cox.net Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot Sent: Thu, June 7, 2012 7:34:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Lets see...CWP, CROWN WHEEL & PINION, nah! that 's too easy, must be something I never heard of before. Never be beaten by equipment > From: timmurph at fastbytes.com > To: tr4racing at googlemail.com; rfdeanes at gmail.com; spitlist at cox.net > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:06:26 -0500 > CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still > trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM > To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry > Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people > have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Deanes > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 > To: Joe Curry > Cc: ; Charles WATSON; > ; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described > is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and > cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in > different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet > and petcock drain. > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > > > By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I > have > > two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good > > shape. > > > > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM > > To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net > > Cc: FOT List > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > > > I think here is a confusion going on. > > > > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the > > filler cap. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Jun 7 20:53:18 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 21:53:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Electronic Distributor and Total Advance In-Reply-To: <1339105568.69695.YahooMailNeo@web120903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1339105568.69695.YahooMailNeo@web120903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901cd4521$db9ab940$92d02bc0$@com> Do you have a timing light that you can punch in the advance and with that feature you can see exactly what advance you are actually running? I have an older Snap-on one that if I punch the advance or retard buttons I can watch and see at 3000 RPM, for example, when the timing mark is lined up on the pointer. The amount of advance is I have punched in then shows in a display. I got this from my brother when he retired from his service business. I'm pretty sure these are now available at auto parts stores for a heck of a lot less than the Snap-on variety. With somebody in the car working the accelerator and reading the tach, you can plot your advance curve. Very handy. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of T Thompson Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 4:46 PM To: 'FOT List' Subject: [Fot] Electronic Distributor and Total Advance I recently purchased a True Spark Programmable Distributor. My Mallory Dual Point had so much play at the top of the shaft (thanks to Mark Eden for noticing this) that the point gap and dwell was very erratic at high RPMs. So I went with the True Spark that Mark had bought as well from BP Northwest. My question has to deal with the bushings included with the distributor to adjust total advance. We obviously can't do static timing and at idle it is likely there is some degree of advance occuring already (I can't idle down to 500 rpms with the cams we run). For now, I have installed the distributor with no bushings and set the timing. That is to supposed to give me 30 degrees of total advance. It starts missing at about 5000 rpms. My next step was to try retarding it more to see if that helps. My question is how to determine which bushing to use, if any, to give me the best performance. I don't have a dyno or a racetrack in my back yard, so I was wondering if anyone else is running this distributor, and which bushing they may have used. Total advance is configurable from 18 to 30. I was thinking of just getting as low of idle as possible and seeing what the difference is advance is between that and my preferred total advance, but then I thought someone else on this group likely runs the same distributor and may get me closer. Bought the distributor from BPN. Part number is 41427HP. The good thing now is that when I do set the timing, the mark on the pulley does not fluctuate (at all). Before it was hopping all over the place. Thanks in advance for your help. Ty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From fogbro1 at comcast.net Thu Jun 7 21:25:58 2012 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 03:25:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Part needed Message-ID: <84782527.1556904.1339125958373.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> List, Does anyone have a late TR6 1/2 hub w/reverse they'd part with? Part no. is 153843. Thanks, Ed Woods From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jun 8 08:00:02 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 10:00:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry><25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista><20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net><1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista><20120607152448.40F4C2D0CC6@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <064E7BCFB3574CD2A203E5789979C560@gdhs.local> I'll second that.....shucks (oops Southern English) I didn't know he was from Germany for quite a while..... John H. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 7:58 PM To: tr4racing at googlemail.com; Robert Deanes; Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Sometimes German into English is tough too. (grin) You do an exceptionally good job Chris. JVV -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:15 AM To: Robert Deanes ; Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jun 7 15:57:17 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:57:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry><25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista><20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net><1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista><20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net> <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> Message-ID: Isn't that something like crown wheel pinion? Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: ; "'Robert Deanes'" ; "'Joe Curry'" Cc: ; "'FOT List'" Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still > trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM > To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry > Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking > people > have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Deanes > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 > To: Joe Curry > Cc: ; Charles WATSON; > ; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described > is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and > cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in > different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet > and petcock drain. > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I > have >> two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in >> good >> shape. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM >> To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> Cc: FOT List >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question >> >> I think here is a confusion going on. >> >> Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in >> store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. >> >> Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than >> the >> filler cap. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jun 8 08:27:01 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 14:27:01 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Message-ID: I have a limited vocabulary. Maybe 10000 words, not enough to meet the Queen for a chat. Hope it wasn't to bad Kas when I talked to you at the N|rburgring last year. ------Originalnachricht------ Von: Jerry Van Vlack An: tr4racing at googlemail.com An: Robert Deanes An: Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Cc: FOT List Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Gesendet: 8. Jun. 2012 01:58 Sometimes German into English is tough too. (grin) You do an exceptionally good job Chris. JVV -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:15 AM To: Robert Deanes ; Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Fri Jun 8 08:57:01 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 08:57:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Electronic Distributor and Total Advance In-Reply-To: <000901cd4521$db9ab940$92d02bc0$@com> References: <1339105568.69695.YahooMailNeo@web120903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000901cd4521$db9ab940$92d02bc0$@com> Message-ID: Thanks Tim. I do have a timing light to set total advance. It has a dial gage to set the timing I want. I believe there are other timing issues I need to get smarter on. Sounds like I need to plot an advance curve to see where full advance comes on and then possibly play with spring rates. Will learn a lot in that process. Jim Gray also sent me some great info on spring rates and methods for determining total advance versus static timing. So with a little reading and trial and error I can hopefully get this dialed in. Ty Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2012, at 8:53 PM, "Tim Murphy" wrote: > Do you have a timing light that you can punch in the advance and with that > feature you can see exactly what advance you are actually running? I have > an older Snap-on one that if I punch the advance or retard buttons I can > watch and see at 3000 RPM, for example, when the timing mark is lined up on > the pointer. The amount of advance is I have punched in then shows in a > display. I got this from my brother when he retired from his service > business. I'm pretty sure these are now available at auto parts stores for > a heck of a lot less than the Snap-on variety. > With somebody in the car working the accelerator and reading the > tach, you can plot your advance curve. Very handy. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of T Thompson > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 4:46 PM > To: 'FOT List' > Subject: [Fot] Electronic Distributor and Total Advance > > I recently purchased a True Spark Programmable Distributor. My Mallory Dual > Point had so much play at the top of the shaft (thanks to Mark Eden for > noticing this) that the point gap and dwell was very erratic at high RPMs. > So > I went with the True Spark that Mark had bought as well from BP Northwest. > > My question has to deal with the bushings included with the distributor to > adjust total advance. We obviously can't do static timing and at idle it is > likely there is some degree of advance occuring already (I can't idle down > to 500 rpms with the cams we run). For now, I have installed the > distributor > with no bushings and set the timing. That is to supposed to give me 30 > degrees of total advance. It starts missing at about 5000 rpms. My next > step > was to try retarding it more to see if that helps. > > My question is how to > determine which bushing to use, if any, to give me the best performance. I > don't have a dyno or a racetrack in my back yard, so I was wondering if > anyone > else is running this distributor, and which bushing they may have used. > Total > advance is configurable from 18 to 30. > > I was thinking of just getting as > low of idle as possible and seeing what the difference is advance is between > that and my preferred total advance, but then I thought someone else on this > group likely runs the same distributor and may get me closer. Bought the > distributor from BPN. Part number is 41427HP. > > The good thing now is that > when I do set the timing, the mark on the pulley does not fluctuate (at > all). > Before it was hopping all over the place. > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Ty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jun 8 09:46:29 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:46:29 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Front axle movement In-Reply-To: <20120608144217.78EF52C0C0C@autox.team.net> References: <20120608144217.78EF52C0C0C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000001cd458d$e00d3680$a027a380$@com> Just for the fun and I had a little battery on the camera left: http://youtu.be/ulhW1IR1HaY It is nothing special, I was just curios what surprises are lurking there. Cheers Chris From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Fri Jun 8 09:53:14 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:53:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Interesting ignition timing discussion Message-ID: I received these links from Jim Gray. BTW, he has totally kicked butt in the last two races in CO. Beating Lotus 7s, 911s and more and he runs a clean race. Definitely one of the fastest DP cars in our region, and the fastest TR4. And he has been a great help to the FOT guys in RMVR. Never toots his own horn so I will! Ty > > http://www.british-cars.net/triumph-tr6-bbs/re-curving-distributor-2004050409 33111476.htm > > > http://www.triumphowners.com/uploaded/34/111457_86lucas_dissy_tuning.pdf From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Jun 8 09:55:52 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 08:55:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CWP Message-ID: Hello again. Well, I guess I should put this request in again...Sorry for the confusion :)I am in the need of a Good useable 4.1 CROWN WHEEL AND PINION for a TR (truimph) 3 or 4 !! Thank you Joe for the "first right" of the unit you have. I also have a TR 3/4 Detroit Locker. The gears etc are in "as new" shape. Make me an offer ! Please contact me off list. RegardsTony Garmey From cofrog at q.com Fri Jun 8 11:43:20 2012 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 13:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Interesting ignition timing discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1374979418.2723252.1339177400531.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Some say his horn needs trouble shooting! Jim has become the "leader" of the TR4 bunch in RMVR. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com To: "Triumph Friends of" Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 9:53:14 AM Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Interesting ignition timing discussion I received these links from Jim Gray. BTW, he has totally kicked butt in the last two races in CO. Beating Lotus 7s, 911s and more and he runs a clean race. Definitely one of the fastest DP cars in our region, and the fastest TR4. And he has been a great help to the FOT guys in RMVR. Never toots his own horn so I will! Ty > > http://www.british-cars.net/triumph-tr6-bbs/re-curving-distributor-2004050409 33111476.htm > > > http://www.triumphowners.com/uploaded/34/111457_86lucas_dissy_tuning.pdf _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jun 8 15:34:54 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:34:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! Message-ID: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> I know this is not within the usual scope of discussion for this list, please bear with me. Go to http://www.ebay.com/drive-away-cancer - some of you may recognize that fellow behind the wheel. And the car is obviously not a Triumph. Scroll down and read about the incident that occurred this afternoon near Birmingham, Alabama. I was just planning on sending out the info about the "unpleasant man" insisting on getting his $55 parking "fine" but I've been thinking about it. That guy basically stole $55 from sick kids in the hospital. That is a BAD thing, if you ask me. John is doing a GOOD thing. And those who do good things should be rewarded tenfold. So to that end I am going to challenge all of us on Team.Net to come up with $550 to give to him. If you are of like mind, and use Paypal, the address is grace at autox.team.net. If you want to send a check, payable to Team.Net, send it to: Team Net PO Box 58333 Salt Lake City, UT 84158. Make sure you tag the funds as being for John, I don't want to steal $55 from him thinking the money was meant for the Fat Chance Garage Tool and Beverage fund - I'm not a godless, greed driven scumbag! mjb. From tarch at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 8 15:48:28 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:48:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Valve Guides one more time In-Reply-To: <1374979418.2723252.1339177400531.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <1374979418.2723252.1339177400531.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <021a01cd45c0$71212f50$53638df0$@net> Hang on for one more lap of the valve guide issue. 1. The existing valve guides in my TR-4 head are at different depths. You can see the bottom of the intake guides through the intake port but the exhaust guides are significantly higher and not visible through the exhaust port. Peeking through the valve springs, the exhaust guides appear to be at least 1/2 an inch higher than the intakes. 2. To my machinist's chagrin, I'm participating in the head rebuild exercise. (He's a good friend so it's not an unpleasant chagrin). Inasmuch as I had one guide come loose at Road Atlanta, he says that we may have to resize the guide hole in the head and fit a special guide. Any experience in this arena? After all our discussion a month ago, I'm using cast iron guides. Thanks for your thoughts. Richard Taylor From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Jun 8 16:17:39 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 15:17:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! In-Reply-To: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> References: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <04d101cd45c4$8497cd60$0601a8c0@randall> > I was just planning on sending out the info about the > "unpleasant man" insisting on getting his $55 parking "fine" but > I've been thinking about it. That guy basically stole $55 from sick > kids in the hospital. That is a BAD thing, if you ask me. I agree entirely. Is extortion not against the law in AL ? -- Randall From triumphs at consolidated.net Fri Jun 8 17:21:55 2012 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:21:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! In-Reply-To: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> References: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <855D568A-8E6B-4021-9B2F-B67BB2FE8907@consolidated.net> Mark: Challenge accepted. I am sending fifty via PayPal now. Come on list. This should not be hard. For those so inclined, let's follow up with an irate phone call as well :-) Ken Gano Sent from my iPad On Jun 8, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > I know this is not within the usual scope of discussion for this list, > please bear with me. > > Go to http://www.ebay.com/drive-away-cancer - some of you may recognize > that fellow behind the wheel. And the car is obviously not a Triumph. > > Scroll down and read about the incident that occurred this afternoon > near Birmingham, Alabama. > > I was just planning on sending out the info about the > "unpleasant man" insisting on getting his $55 parking "fine" but > I've been thinking about it. That guy basically stole $55 from sick > kids in the hospital. That is a BAD thing, if you ask me. > > John is doing a GOOD thing. And those who do good things should > be rewarded tenfold. So to that end I am going to challenge all of > us on Team.Net to come up with $550 to give to him. > > If you are of like mind, and use Paypal, the address is grace at autox.team.net. > > If you want to send a check, payable to Team.Net, send it to: > > Team Net > PO Box 58333 > Salt Lake City, UT 84158. > > Make sure you tag the funds as being for John, I don't want to steal $55 > from him thinking the money was meant for the Fat Chance Garage Tool > and Beverage fund - I'm not a godless, greed driven scumbag! > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Fri Jun 8 18:11:42 2012 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:11:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <1370055804-1339165602-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-345143721-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> References: <1370055804-1339165602-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-345143721-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: The Queen would not have time for your 10,000 words. Besides that would be boring. You do just fine. JVV -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:27 AM To: Jerry Van Vlack ; Robert Deanes ; Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net ; FOT List Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question I have a limited vocabulary. Maybe 10000 words, not enough to meet the Queen for a chat. Hope it wasn't to bad Kas when I talked to you at the N|rburgring last year. ------Originalnachricht------ Von: Jerry Van Vlack An: tr4racing at googlemail.com An: Robert Deanes An: Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Cc: FOT List Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Gesendet: 8. Jun. 2012 01:58 Sometimes German into English is tough too. (grin) You do an exceptionally good job Chris. JVV -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:15 AM To: Robert Deanes ; Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jun 8 20:12:15 2012 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 22:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! In-Reply-To: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> References: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CF13FC6C3CFAC1-3E14-BC0A@webmail-m171.sysops.aol.com> And, of course, John was with us at the Mitty in Atlanta that whole week end. The old, but classy, A/H was parked right across the access road from the Beady Eye paddock. Steve Belfer's wife, Davi, is one of the original names on the boot. Count me in. I'll send a check. Bill Dentinger From rwestfall at ymail.com Fri Jun 8 21:17:51 2012 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! Message-ID: <1339211871.7889.YahooMailMobile@web162304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The check is in the mail, and no this check won't be one of the old three biggest lies story. I lost my lovely wife Linda to ovarian cancer in November of 2001and I'm proud to help the cause in her name. This "unpleasant" man is one of those people who is a member of that group I call the "sub-species" they appear to be human but they lack a soul. Russ Westfall From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Fri Jun 8 21:54:49 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:54:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Facebook Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A405E@TITAN.dwholdings.local> I have taken the liberty of starting a FoT Facebook page. I promise not to divulge private, secret or proprietary club information. If you would like to join, simply go to: http://www.facebook.com/FriendsOfTriumph If you would like to post photos, send to me and I will post. Stories, lies, etc. are welcomed. Ed Dunn '71 GT6 #757 '64 Spitfire #22 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Jun 8 22:35:35 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 22:35:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Drive Away Cancer, response from Advance Video and Security. Message-ID: I sent .. an inquiry.of sorts to Advance Security and this is the response I received. James, It is our company's policy to boot any car illegally parked on our lot. We have had issues in the past with cars that are parked in the lot illegally causing damage to the cars of our employees. We are required to collect the money because if we let one person go then we can be held liable to refund all previous violators. However, the money collected does not go to the company. All money collected from the boot is donated to the Big Oak Ranch. The Big Oak Ranch is a Christian home that takes in children that have no home, family or a place to go. Currently they house more than 100 children. The Big Oak Ranch is a great charity and I highly recommend donating to them. Here is their link http://www.bigoak.org/ . Thank you very much for visiting our website and have a pleasant weekend. God Bless. Joey Sent from my iPhone I'm not buying it which is exactly what I told Mr. Joey jim g From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jun 8 22:59:09 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:59:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Drive Away Cancer, response from Advance Video and Security. In-Reply-To: <20120609044524.D07F62C0D42@autox.team.net> References: <20120609044524.D07F62C0D42@autox.team.net> Message-ID: On John's facebook page there has been a minor firestorm over this issue. ADT Security corporate has been brought into the fray. The employee at this establishment which collected the $55 has apologized on John's facebook page (good strategy) and has claimed to have donated $500 to John's cause. Not sure if the check clears, etc., but it sounds like they may have realized the error in their ways. The local police has been asked if it's legal for private parties to "boot" cars and they don't allow it, but aren't going to do anything. Interesting, nonetheless. Tony At 11:35 PM 6/8/2012, you wrote: >I sent .. an inquiry.of sorts to Advance Security and this is the response I >received. > > > >James, > > > >It is our company's policy to boot any car illegally parked on our lot. We >have had issues in the past with cars that are parked in the lot illegally >causing damage to the cars of our employees. We are required to collect the >money because if we let one person go then we can be held liable to refund >all previous violators. However, the money collected does not go to the >company. All money collected from the boot is donated to the Big Oak Ranch. >The Big Oak Ranch is a Christian home that takes in children that have no >home, family or a place to go. Currently they house more than 100 children. >The Big Oak Ranch is a great charity and I highly recommend donating to >them. Here is their link http://www.bigoak.org/ . Thank you very much for >visiting our website and have a pleasant weekend. God Bless. > > > >Joey > > >Sent from my iPhone > > > >I'm not buying it which is exactly what I told Mr. Joey > > > >jim g >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Jun 9 07:57:26 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! Message-ID: <13c27.4c8bd054.3d04b046@aol.com> In a message dated 06/09/2012 8:42:24 AM Central Daylight Time, capecoventryracing at gmail.com writes: > <<< P.S. it may be a Healey but there's an FOT sticker on the driver's > door. >>> > Truth be told...when I was in High School (mid-1950s) it was the Austin Healey that really caught my eye. I thought it was gorgeous. I actually owned one for about three months after I got out of the Navy. But I couldn't keep it running, so I bought a Ford (also heavily influenced by the fact that Shirley and I had three children under three. Back when I was In High School, I thought that the Triumph TR3 looked a little too much like Winston Churchill to be pretty. But I was wrong. I finally bought a TR3A in 1977, and a second early TR3 in 1979. And of course, since then...down through the years the TR3 has won me over big time, and I have not strayed. Bill Dentinger From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 08:13:31 2012 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 07:13:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! In-Reply-To: <13c27.4c8bd054.3d04b046@aol.com> References: <13c27.4c8bd054.3d04b046@aol.com> Message-ID: I forgot to mention that if there's a name we can add just let us know and if there's someone who'd like a visit we can stop by anytime. On Jun 9, 2012 9:57 AM, wrote: > In a message dated 06/09/2012 8:42:24 AM Central Daylight Time, > capecoventryracing at gmail.com writes: > > > <<< P.S. it may be a Healey but there's an FOT sticker on the driver's > door. >>> > > > Truth be told...when I was in High School (mid-1950s) it was the Austin > Healey that really caught my eye. I thought it was gorgeous. I actually > owned one for about three months after I got out of the Navy. But I > couldn't keep it running, so I bought a Ford (also heavily influenced by > the fact that Shirley and I had three children under three. > > Back when I was In High School, I thought that the Triumph TR3 looked a > little too much like Winston Churchill to be pretty. But I was wrong. I > finally bought a TR3A in 1977, and a second early TR3 in 1979. And of > course, since then...down through the years the TR3 has won me over big > time, and I have not strayed. > > Bill Dentinger From pcdelux at verizon.net Sat Jun 9 08:25:08 2012 From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:25:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! References: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <002a01cd464b$ad0f8760$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0> Mark, Two donations on the way, team.net and Gracie. Also I think Grace needs a F.O.T. sticker somewhere! Bill DeWar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 5:34 PM Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! > I know this is not within the usual scope of discussion for this list, > please bear with me. > > Go to http://www.ebay.com/drive-away-cancer - some of you may recognize > that fellow behind the wheel. And the car is obviously not a Triumph. > > Scroll down and read about the incident that occurred this afternoon > near Birmingham, Alabama. > > I was just planning on sending out the info about the > "unpleasant man" insisting on getting his $55 parking "fine" but > I've been thinking about it. That guy basically stole $55 from sick > kids in the hospital. That is a BAD thing, if you ask me. > > John is doing a GOOD thing. And those who do good things should > be rewarded tenfold. So to that end I am going to challenge all of > us on Team.Net to come up with $550 to give to him. > > If you are of like mind, and use Paypal, the address is > grace at autox.team.net. > > If you want to send a check, payable to Team.Net, send it to: > > Team Net > PO Box 58333 > Salt Lake City, UT 84158. > > Make sure you tag the funds as being for John, I don't want to steal $55 > from him thinking the money was meant for the Fat Chance Garage Tool > and Beverage fund - I'm not a godless, greed driven scumbag! > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux at verizon.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 07:42:19 2012 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:42:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! In-Reply-To: <1339211871.7889.YahooMailMobile@web162304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1339211871.7889.YahooMailMobile@web162304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8368692F-DAD1-47D0-8495-3562AFB1D721@gmail.com> Thank you all so much! In case you haven't read about the car there is a nice article in Hemming's at the following link http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2012/04/24/driving-away-cancer-a-50-state- odyssey-begins/ We made it to Tennessee and gave rides all night to a sick 9 year old girl and her friends at her slumber party before she has surgery next week. We've given rides to over 500 sick children and have the names now of almost 8,000 people who've been lost to cancer, are fighting it now or have survived it in the past. family and friends of FOTers are unfortunately all over the car as are the names for a couple of non-cancer exceptions including Unle Jack. We were so touched by what happened yesterday that we gave Trinity's father (the sick little girl) all the cash we raised yesterday in PayPal donations to buy her a great birthday present and to pay some hospital bills they're having trouble paying. Thanks again Mark and Joe! You rock. P.S. it may be a Healey but there's an FOT sticker on the driver's door. Sent from my iPad On Jun 8, 2012, at 11:17 PM, Russell Westfall wrote: > The check is in the mail, and no this check won't be one of the old three biggest lies story. I lost my lovely wife Linda to ovarian cancer in November of 2001and I'm proud to help the cause in her name. This "unpleasant" man is one of those people who is a member of that group I call the "sub-species" they appear to be human but they lack a soul. > Russ Westfall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 09:02:08 2012 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 08:02:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! In-Reply-To: <002a01cd464b$ad0f8760$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0> References: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> <002a01cd464b$ad0f8760$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0> Message-ID: Grace has an FOT sticker on the driver's door, an Uncle Jack sticker on her trunk and had a VTR grill badge that we gave to our local Triumph club. She may be a Healey but she's got a lot of Triumph in her. On Jun 9, 2012 10:44 AM, "William Dewar" wrote: > Mark, Two donations on the way, team.net and Gracie. > Also I think Grace needs a F.O.T. sticker somewhere! > > Bill DeWar > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark J Bradakis" > To: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 5:34 PM > Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! > > > > I know this is not within the usual scope of discussion for this list, > > please bear with me. > > > > Go to http://www.ebay.com/drive-away-cancer - some of you may recognize > > that fellow behind the wheel. And the car is obviously not a Triumph. > > > > Scroll down and read about the incident that occurred this afternoon > > near Birmingham, Alabama. > > > > I was just planning on sending out the info about the > > "unpleasant man" insisting on getting his $55 parking "fine" but > > I've been thinking about it. That guy basically stole $55 from sick > > kids in the hospital. That is a BAD thing, if you ask me. > > > > John is doing a GOOD thing. And those who do good things should > > be rewarded tenfold. So to that end I am going to challenge all of > > us on Team.Net to come up with $550 to give to him. > > > > If you are of like mind, and use Paypal, the address is > > grace at autox.team.net. > > > > If you want to send a check, payable to Team.Net, send it to: > > > > Team Net > > PO Box 58333 > > Salt Lake City, UT 84158. > > > > Make sure you tag the funds as being for John, I don't want to steal $55 > > from him thinking the money was meant for the Fat Chance Garage Tool > > and Beverage fund - I'm not a godless, greed driven scumbag! > > > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sat Jun 9 10:28:50 2012 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Temp guage wiring Message-ID: <1339259330.37559.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I need help identifying which terminal is fed from the voltage stabilizer and which one goes to the sensor on my 1961 TR 4. Wiring code will not help as the factory loom is gone. So I need to know which is right and which is left looking at the back of the guage. Thanks, Ken Suhre From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Jun 9 10:34:49 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:34:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Temp guage wiring In-Reply-To: <1339259330.37559.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1339259330.37559.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <058901cd465d$ca7d13f0$0601a8c0@randall> > I need help identifying which terminal is fed from the > voltage stabilizer and > which one goes to the sensor on my 1961 TR 4. It makes no difference, either way will work the same. Inside the gauge is just a heater. -- Randall From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 9 10:56:18 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 12:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 INTAKE MANIFOLD AVAILABLE delete if not relevant to you. Message-ID: <8CF1477EC82C89C-19A8-37F5A@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> If anyone needs one, it could easily leave Iowa. Contact me Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat Jun 9 11:45:57 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 11:45:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] How light can you make a stock TR4 crank? Message-ID: FoT As the subject line says I'm wondering what experience the group has in lightening our stock cranks. How light can you go and what, if any negatives of lightening ( change harmonics ) ? jim g From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sat Jun 9 12:31:53 2012 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 11:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Temp guage wiring In-Reply-To: <058901cd465d$ca7d13f0$0601a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <1339266713.80027.YahooMailClassic@web111408.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks, Randall --- On Sat, 6/9/12, Randall wrote: From: Randall Subject: RE: [Fot] Temp guage wiring To: "'Ken Suhre'" , "'FOT'" Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 11:34 AM > I need help identifying which terminal is fed from the > voltage stabilizer and > which one goes to the sensor on my 1961 TR 4. It makes no difference, either way will work the same. Inside the gauge is just a heater. -- Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 9 13:00:31 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 19:00:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] How light can you make a stock TR4 crank? Message-ID: In short terms of time a new crank will be on the market for TR4. Designed by a F1 supplier. As far I know about that crank it is 2kg heavier than stock, cause of the resonance. Cheers Chris ------Originalnachricht------ Von: Jim Gray Absender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net An: 'FOT List' Betreff: [Fot] How light can you make a stock TR4 crank? Gesendet: 9. Jun. 2012 19:45 FoT As the subject line says I'm wondering what experience the group has in lightening our stock cranks. How light can you go and what, if any negatives of lightening ( change harmonics ) ? jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Sat Jun 9 13:38:37 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 12:38:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Facebook In-Reply-To: <8CF1450B746E0B7-19A8-32461@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A405E@TITAN.dwholdings.local> <8CF1450B746E0B7-19A8-32461@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A405F@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Understand Joe. Apologies if I overstepped bounds. Anyone gets their panties in a bunch, and it will be closed asap. I'm all for sharing the word on these cool cars, especially the racing aspect far and wide. If we need to keep it a secret, not a problem. Ed From: Joe Alexander [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 5:16 AM To: Edward Dunn Subject: Re: [Fot] Facebook is this, or can it be a 'closed group' where no one but FOT can use it? i like the idea, but administration can be problematic. one of the issues with the other one was that it was open to the public. a good administrator will keep it alive and people will be happy. i am not real savvy on the use of the application. looks like you have a good start. CHECK OUT: " FOLLOWERS OF THE FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH" it started out quite good, but fell by the wayside.....but mainly because of one grumpy FOT. this could be a nice feature if handled well. thanks. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Edward Dunn > To: fot > Sent: Fri, Jun 8, 2012 11:00 pm Subject: [Fot] Facebook I have taken the liberty of starting a FoT Facebook page. I promise not to divulge private, secret or proprietary club information. If you would like to join, simply go to: http://www.facebook.com/FriendsOfTriumph If you would like to post photos, send to me and I will post. Stories, lies, etc. are welcomed. Ed Dunn '71 GT6 #757 '64 Spitfire #22 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sat Jun 9 14:00:53 2012 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (Aaron Johnson) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:00:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed Message-ID: Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part with? I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! Aaron #87 HP spitfire 1500 317-517-4587 Sent from my iPhone From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jun 9 14:25:29 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:25:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! , On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson wrote: > Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part with? > > I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > > Aaron > #87 HP spitfire 1500 > 317-517-4587 > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 9 14:27:40 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 20:27:40 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: MAM - men at machines? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:25:29 To: Aaron Johnson Cc: spitfires; fot Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! , On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson wrote: > Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part with? > > I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > > Aaron > #87 HP spitfire 1500 > 317-517-4587 > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Jun 9 14:44:09 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:44:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> Jason....are you going to MO? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > , > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson wrote: > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part with? >> >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! >> >> Aaron >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 >> 317-517-4587 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jun 9 14:54:45 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:54:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> Message-ID: No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA (Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Jason....are you going to MO? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > , > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson >wrote: > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > with? > >> > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > >> > >> Aaron > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > >> 317-517-4587 > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Jun 9 14:55:41 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:55:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh.....and by the way, my guess is Mid America Motorsport ......West of St. Louis. Raced my bike there in the 80's... Roughest bump filled track I ever ran Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > , > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson wrote: > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part with? >> >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! >> >> Aaron >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 >> 317-517-4587 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 9 15:00:00 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: John Hasty Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA (Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Jason....are you going to MO? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > , > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson >wrote: > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > with? > >> > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > >> > >> Aaron > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > >> 317-517-4587 > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 9 15:04:04 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 21:04:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend Message-ID: Anybody going to Spa ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jun 9 15:13:27 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:13:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: <20120609211007.75BD42D024A@autox.team.net> References: <20120609211007.75BD42D024A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: In my dreams... You lucky S.O.B. do you know that one? On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:04 PM, wrote: > Anybody going to Spa ;-) > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 9 15:13:32 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> References: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> John Nikas and I were at the SPAs last week. The American Spa known as Hot Springs. I am sure it's not the same. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing Cc: fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend Anybody going to Spa ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 9 15:14:23 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 21:14:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211007.75BD42D024A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: sOB- sand on boobs? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:13:27 To: Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend In my dreams... You lucky S.O.B. do you know that one? On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:04 PM, wrote: > Anybody going to Spa ;-) > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jun 9 15:16:09 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:16:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: <915014554-1339276464-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-604305916-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> References: <20120609211007.75BD42D024A@autox.team.net> <915014554-1339276464-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-604305916-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: You got it on the first try! On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:14 PM, wrote: > ** > sOB- sand on boobs? > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > ------------------------------ > *From: * Jason Ostrowski > *Date: *Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:13:27 -0500 > *To: * > *Cc: * > *Subject: *Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > In my dreams... You lucky S.O.B. > do you know that one? > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:04 PM, wrote: > >> Anybody going to Spa ;-) >> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 15:26:00 2012 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:26:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> References: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I hope not. There was no track and the majority of cars leaked oil. On Jun 9, 2012 5:14 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > John Nikas and I were at the SPAs last week. The American Spa known as Hot > Springs. I am sure it's not the same. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tr4racing > Cc: fot > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:11 pm > Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > > Anybody going to Spa ;-) > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 9 15:30:18 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 21:30:18 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Keen on flying through Eau Rouge. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: John Nikas Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:26:00 To: Joe Alexander Cc: ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend I hope not. There was no track and the majority of cars leaked oil. On Jun 9, 2012 5:14 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > John Nikas and I were at the SPAs last week. The American Spa known as Hot > Springs. I am sure it's not the same. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tr4racing > Cc: fot > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:11 pm > Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > > Anybody going to Spa ;-) > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jun 9 15:38:22 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:38:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: <20120609212940.EAD9A2D02A2@autox.team.net> References: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <20120609212940.EAD9A2D02A2@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Love to see the camera record the compression of your rear suspenssion through Eau Rouge. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM, wrote: > Keen on flying through Eau Rouge. > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Nikas > Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:26:00 > To: Joe Alexander > Cc: ; > Subject: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > I hope not. There was no track and the majority of cars leaked oil. > On Jun 9, 2012 5:14 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > > > John Nikas and I were at the SPAs last week. The American Spa known as > Hot > > Springs. I am sure it's not the same. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > A. R. E. > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tr4racing > > Cc: fot > > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:11 pm > > Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > > > > > Anybody going to Spa ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Sat Jun 9 15:40:27 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:40:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA Message-ID: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com> Friends of Triumph: Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well represented. Donny Sopp Spitfire Bill Rampe Spitfire Steve Groh Spitfire Russ Moore Spitfire Richard Brown Spitfire Mark Wheatley TR-4 Jeff Clark GT-6 Vince Garrett GT-6+ Plus late entries. In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will be follow up reports. If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself to make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend with more seat time than you can imagine. ".bet you can't do it just once!" Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 9 15:42:02 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 21:42:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <20120609212940.EAD9A2D02A2@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I wouldn't dare to mount the camera at this position in a race. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:38:22 To: Cc: John Nikas; Joe Alexander; Subject: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend Love to see the camera record the compression of your rear suspenssion through Eau Rouge. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM, wrote: > Keen on flying through Eau Rouge. > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Nikas > Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:26:00 > To: Joe Alexander > Cc: ; > Subject: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > I hope not. There was no track and the majority of cars leaked oil. > On Jun 9, 2012 5:14 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > > > John Nikas and I were at the SPAs last week. The American Spa known as > Hot > > Springs. I am sure it's not the same. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > A. R. E. > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tr4racing > > Cc: fot > > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:11 pm > > Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > > > > > Anybody going to Spa ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jun 9 15:54:31 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:54:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: <76335658-1339278121-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-390508717-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> References: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <20120609212940.EAD9A2D02A2@autox.team.net> <76335658-1339278121-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-390508717-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: Smart! I imagine It would be safe to say it would be at the THE MAXIMUM. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:42 PM, wrote: > ** > I wouldn't dare to mount the camera at this position in a race. > > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > ------------------------------ > *From: * Jason Ostrowski > *Date: *Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:38:22 -0500 > *To: * > *Cc: *John Nikas; Joe Alexander< > n197tr4 at cs.com>; > *Subject: *Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > Love to see the camera record the compression of your rear suspenssion > through Eau Rouge. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM, wrote: > >> Keen on flying through Eau Rouge. >> >> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Nikas >> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:26:00 >> To: Joe Alexander >> Cc: ; >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend >> >> I hope not. There was no track and the majority of cars leaked oil. >> On Jun 9, 2012 5:14 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: >> >> > John Nikas and I were at the SPAs last week. The American Spa known as >> Hot >> > Springs. I am sure it's not the same. >> > >> > >> > Joe Alexander >> > A. R. E. >> > 645 1st Street >> > Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> > 319.464.4711 (cell) >> > n197tr4 at cs.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: tr4racing >> > Cc: fot >> > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:11 pm >> > Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend >> > >> > >> > Anybody going to Spa ;-) >> > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 9 16:01:10 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 22:01:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <20120609212940.EAD9A2D02A2@autox.team.net> <76335658-1339278121-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-390508717-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: I could purchase another video chanel for my video system. That would blend in a third view. These finger cameras are then easy to mount. But would cost too much I think. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:54:31 To: Cc: John Nikas; Joe Alexander; Subject: Re: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend Smart! I imagine It would be safe to say it would be at the THE MAXIMUM. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:42 PM, wrote: > ** > I wouldn't dare to mount the camera at this position in a race. > > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > ------------------------------ > *From: * Jason Ostrowski > *Date: *Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:38:22 -0500 > *To: * > *Cc: *John Nikas; Joe Alexander< > n197tr4 at cs.com>; > *Subject: *Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > Love to see the camera record the compression of your rear suspenssion > through Eau Rouge. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM, wrote: > >> Keen on flying through Eau Rouge. >> >> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Nikas >> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:26:00 >> To: Joe Alexander >> Cc: ; >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend >> >> I hope not. There was no track and the majority of cars leaked oil. >> On Jun 9, 2012 5:14 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: >> >> > John Nikas and I were at the SPAs last week. The American Spa known as >> Hot >> > Springs. I am sure it's not the same. >> > >> > >> > Joe Alexander >> > A. R. E. >> > 645 1st Street >> > Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> > 319.464.4711 (cell) >> > n197tr4 at cs.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: tr4racing >> > Cc: fot >> > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:11 pm >> > Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend >> > >> > >> > Anybody going to Spa ;-) >> > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 9 16:01:28 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 18:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA now Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page In-Reply-To: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com> References: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CF14A28DF8F9A3-19A8-3F209@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Russ, this one of the best North American events, as we all know. Thanks for the heads up on the entries. Ed Dunn has volunteered to administer a FACEBOOK 'PAGE' to post pictures and adventures of the FOT. This and Black Hawk Farms "THE Black Hawk Classic" would be a great start to showcasing our Triumphs. The SPA would work well, too. The current format of a FACEBOOK PAGE seems to do a nice job of displaying pictures. Dave Riddle tried this once and I didnt support him like I should have. My apologies to Dave. Get those digital cameras out and send pics and videos to ED DUNN. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing To: fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:42 pm Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA Friends of Triumph: Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well represented. Donny Sopp Spitfire Bill Rampe Spitfire Steve Groh Spitfire Russ Moore Spitfire Richard Brown Spitfire Mark Wheatley TR-4 Jeff Clark GT-6 Vince Garrett GT-6+ Plus late entries. In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will be follow up reports. If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself to make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend with more seat time than you can imagine. ".bet you can't do it just once!" Russ Moore Spitfire #49 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jun 9 16:20:53 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:20:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA now Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page In-Reply-To: <8CF14A28DF8F9A3-19A8-3F209@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> References: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com> <8CF14A28DF8F9A3-19A8-3F209@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <09AE7627-E23E-4261-BBFC-429D01396C8F@austin.rr.com> I think the main concern with a Facebook page was posting/reposting stuff that Fot members never intended to share with the general public. With friends of friends we have to be careful. Can we make the purpose of the Facebook page to post photos from events as its main purpose? That would be a major plus to the FoT at large, and we all know we can't send pictures through the list. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Russ, this one of the best North American events, as we all know. Thanks for > the heads up on the entries. > > Ed Dunn has volunteered to administer a FACEBOOK 'PAGE' to post pictures and > adventures of the FOT. This and Black Hawk Farms "THE Black Hawk Classic" > would be a great start to showcasing our Triumphs. The SPA would work well, > too. > > The current format of a FACEBOOK PAGE seems to do a nice job of displaying > pictures. > > Dave Riddle tried this once and I didnt support him like I should have. My > apologies to Dave. > > Get those digital cameras out and send pics and videos to ED DUNN. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Spitfire Racing > To: fot > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:42 pm > Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA > > > Friends of Triumph: > > > > Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well > represented. > > Donny Sopp Spitfire > > Bill Rampe Spitfire > > Steve Groh Spitfire > > Russ Moore Spitfire > > Richard Brown Spitfire > > Mark Wheatley TR-4 > > Jeff Clark GT-6 > > Vince Garrett GT-6+ > > Plus late entries. > > > > In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just > inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will be > follow up reports. > > If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself to > make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend > with more seat time than you can imagine. > > > > ".bet you can't do it just once!" > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jun 9 16:37:37 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:37:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA now Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page In-Reply-To: <09AE7627-E23E-4261-BBFC-429D01396C8F@austin.rr.com> References: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com> <8CF14A28DF8F9A3-19A8-3F209@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <09AE7627-E23E-4261-BBFC-429D01396C8F@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: Right! Like this would be for stuff that could be seen by anyone from the edge of a race track or in a paddock. But FOR those that could not make it to the event. That sounds like it could be cool. P.S. I admit.... I've never once logged on to Facebook. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > I think the main concern with a Facebook page was posting/reposting stuff > that > Fot members never intended to share with the general public. With friends > of > friends we have to be careful. Can we make the purpose of the Facebook > page to > post photos from events as its main purpose? That would be a major plus to > the > FoT at large, and we all know we can't send pictures through the list. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > > Russ, this one of the best North American events, as we all know. Thanks > for > > the heads up on the entries. > > > > Ed Dunn has volunteered to administer a FACEBOOK 'PAGE' to post pictures > and > > adventures of the FOT. This and Black Hawk Farms "THE Black Hawk > Classic" > > would be a great start to showcasing our Triumphs. The SPA would work > well, > > too. > > > > The current format of a FACEBOOK PAGE seems to do a nice job of > displaying > > pictures. > > > > Dave Riddle tried this once and I didnt support him like I should have. > My > > apologies to Dave. > > > > Get those digital cameras out and send pics and videos to ED DUNN. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > A. R. E. > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Spitfire Racing > > To: fot > > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:42 pm > > Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA > > > > > > Friends of Triumph: > > > > > > > > Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well > > represented. > > > > Donny Sopp Spitfire > > > > Bill Rampe Spitfire > > > > Steve Groh Spitfire > > > > Russ Moore Spitfire > > > > Richard Brown Spitfire > > > > Mark Wheatley TR-4 > > > > Jeff Clark GT-6 > > > > Vince Garrett GT-6+ > > > > Plus late entries. > > > > > > > > In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just > > inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will > be > > follow up reports. > > > > If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself > to > > make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend > > with more seat time than you can imagine. > > > > > > > > ".bet you can't do it just once!" > > > > > > > > Russ Moore > > > > Spitfire #49 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 9 16:50:36 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 18:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page In-Reply-To: <09AE7627-E23E-4261-BBFC-429D01396C8F@austin.rr.com> References: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com> <8CF14A28DF8F9A3-19A8-3F209@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <09AE7627-E23E-4261-BBFC-429D01396C8F@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <8CF14A96B5AA2F0-19A8-3FC11@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Bob, Yes, Ed and I have been talking about the history of this and he is sensitive to the issues. Events can and will be a main focus.....makes sense. Ed will be the administrator of the content. Postings of any concern can be edited or deleted. If it feels good, it will grow and we will learn as we go. Looking at the current format of a FACEBOOK PAGE, it looks quite good and potentially a great asset to us. I'd say we get behind it and enjoy the benefits. Tying the FOT at work together, with pictures of us at events overcomes a lot of the geography we deal with. For instance, the guys in Colorado are quite photogenic. Thanks for jumping in with a comment, Bob. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer To: Joe Alexander Cc: Spitfire_Racing ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 5:20 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA now Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page I think the main concern with a Facebook page was posting/reposting stuff that Fot members never intended to share with the general public. With friends of friends we have to be careful. Can we make the purpose of the Facebook page to post photos from events as its main purpose? That would be a major plus to the FoT at large, and we all know we can't send pictures through the list. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Russ, this one of the best North American events, as we all know. Thanks for > the heads up on the entries. > > Ed Dunn has volunteered to administer a FACEBOOK 'PAGE' to post pictures and > adventures of the FOT. This and Black Hawk Farms "THE Black Hawk Classic" > would be a great start to showcasing our Triumphs. The SPA would work well, > too. > > The current format of a FACEBOOK PAGE seems to do a nice job of displaying > pictures. > > Dave Riddle tried this once and I didnt support him like I should have. My > apologies to Dave. > > Get those digital cameras out and send pics and videos to ED DUNN. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Spitfire Racing > To: fot > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:42 pm > Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA > > > Friends of Triumph: > > > > Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well > represented. > > Donny Sopp Spitfire > > Bill Rampe Spitfire > > Steve Groh Spitfire > > Russ Moore Spitfire > > Richard Brown Spitfire > > Mark Wheatley TR-4 > > Jeff Clark GT-6 > > Vince Garrett GT-6+ > > Plus late entries. > > > > In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just > inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will be > follow up reports. > > If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself to > make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend > with more seat time than you can imagine. > > > > ".bet you can't do it just once!" > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat Jun 9 16:56:16 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (PAUL MACDONALD) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA In-Reply-To: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1339282576.11946.YahooMailClassic@web88603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The following will also be there Peter Bulkowski TR8 Benoit Laflamme TR8 --- On Sat, 6/9/12, Spitfire Racing wrote: From: Spitfire Racing Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 9:40 PM Friends of Triumph: Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well represented. Donny Sopp Spitfire Bill Rampe Spitfire Steve Groh Spitfire Russ Moore Spitfire Richard Brown Spitfire Mark Wheatley TR-4 Jeff Clark GT-6 Vince Garrett GT-6+ Plus late entries. In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will be follow up reports. If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself to make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend with more seat time than you can imagine. ".bet you can't do it just once!" Russ Moore Spitfire #49 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jun 9 17:15:00 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:15:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <4FD3D8F4.7090403@bradakis.com> wtf ? mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jun 9 18:19:50 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 19:19:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I'll be there. Tony Drews At 04:00 PM 6/9/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. > >Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. > >That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jason Ostrowski >To: John Hasty >Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson >; fot >Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm >Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed > > >No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA >(Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car >With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. > > > >On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > > > Jason....are you going to MO? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > > wrote: > > > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > > , > > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson > >wrote: > > > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > > with? > > >> > > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > > >> > > >> Aaron > > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > > >> 317-517-4587 > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> fot at autox.team.net > > >> > > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > > >> > > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > >> Unsubscribe: > > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sat Jun 9 19:02:13 2012 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 18:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: <20120610001909.E8A662D0286@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1339290133.73548.YahooMailClassic@web111413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Me too! TR 4 #791. First time in a TR since 1964. People that know me know what else I have been having fun with since 1993. Ken Suhre --- On Sat, 6/9/12, Tony Drews wrote: From: Tony Drews Subject: Re: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL To: "Joe Alexander" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 7:19 PM I'll be there. Tony Drews At 04:00 PM 6/9/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. > >Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. > >That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jason Ostrowski >To: John Hasty >Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson >; fot >Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm >Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed > > >No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA >(Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car >With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. > > > >On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > > > Jason....are you going to MO? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > > wrote: > > > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > > , > > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson > >wrote: > > > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > > with? > > >> > > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > > >> > > >> Aaron > > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > > >> 317-517-4587 > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> fot at autox.team.net > > >> > > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > > >> > > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > >> Unsubscribe: > > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 9 19:14:44 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 21:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: <1339290133.73548.YahooMailClassic@web111413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1339290133.73548.YahooMailClassic@web111413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CF14BD8DEA8B91-19A8-42609@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> ok....this is very good. Bill, Jason, Sean, Ken, Tony....likely more. Bob? Scott? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Ken Suhre To: Joe Alexander ; Tony Drews Cc: fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:03 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Me too! TR 4 #791. First time in a TR since 1964. People that know me know what else I have been having fun with since 1993. Ken Suhre --- On Sat, 6/9/12, Tony Drews wrote: From: Tony Drews Subject: Re: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL To: "Joe Alexander" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 7:19 PM I'll be there. Tony Drews At 04:00 PM 6/9/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. > >Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. > >That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jason Ostrowski >To: John Hasty >Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson >; fot >Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm >Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed > > >No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA >(Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car >With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. > > > >On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > > > Jason....are you going to MO? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > > wrote: > > > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > > , > > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson > >wrote: > > > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > > with? > > >> > > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > > >> > > >> Aaron > > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > > >> 317-517-4587 > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> fot at autox.team.net > > >> > > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > > >> > > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > >> Unsubscribe: > > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sat Jun 9 19:19:12 2012 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (Aaron Johnson) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 20:19:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <286FCE57-E0D5-45CB-AECF-0BE7102C7452@comcast.net> Mid-America Motorplex in pacific junction Iowa. Race track just outside of Omaha. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2012, at 3:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > , > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson wrote: > Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part with? > > I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > > Aaron > #87 HP spitfire 1500 > 317-517-4587 > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Jun 9 20:49:51 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 22:49:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page In-Reply-To: <8CF14A96B5AA2F0-19A8-3FC11@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> References: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com>, <8CF14A28DF8F9A3-19A8-3F209@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com>, <09AE7627-E23E-4261-BBFC-429D01396C8F@austin.rr.com>, <8CF14A96B5AA2F0-19A8-3FC11@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Gosh, I have avoided facebook like the plague so far. Don't tell me it's my old car hobby that is going to drag me kicking and screaming into this new fangled facebook stuff......:) Marty ---------------------------------------- > To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 18:50:36 -0400 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page > > Bob, > > Yes, Ed and I have been talking about the history of this and he is sensitive > to the issues. > > Events can and will be a main focus.....makes sense. > > Ed will be the administrator of the content. Postings of any concern can be > edited or deleted. > > If it feels good, it will grow and we will learn as we go. > > Looking at the current format of a FACEBOOK PAGE, it looks quite good and > potentially a great asset to us. > > I'd say we get behind it and enjoy the benefits. Tying the FOT at work > together, with pictures of us at events overcomes a lot of the geography we > deal with. > > For instance, the guys in Colorado are quite photogenic. > > Thanks for jumping in with a comment, Bob. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer > To: Joe Alexander > Cc: Spitfire_Racing ; fot > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 5:20 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA now Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook > Page > > > I think the main concern with a Facebook page was posting/reposting stuff that > Fot members never intended to share with the general public. With friends of > friends we have to be careful. Can we make the purpose of the Facebook page to > post photos from events as its main purpose? That would be a major plus to the > FoT at large, and we all know we can't send pictures through the list. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > > Russ, this one of the best North American events, as we all know. Thanks > for > > the heads up on the entries. > > > > Ed Dunn has volunteered to administer a FACEBOOK 'PAGE' to post pictures > and > > adventures of the FOT. This and Black Hawk Farms "THE Black Hawk Classic" > > would be a great start to showcasing our Triumphs. The SPA would work > well, > > too. > > > > The current format of a FACEBOOK PAGE seems to do a nice job of displaying > > pictures. > > > > Dave Riddle tried this once and I didnt support him like I should have. My > > apologies to Dave. > > > > Get those digital cameras out and send pics and videos to ED DUNN. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > A. R. E. > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Spitfire Racing > > To: fot > > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:42 pm > > Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA > > > > > > Friends of Triumph: > > > > > > > > Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well > > represented. > > > > Donny Sopp Spitfire > > > > Bill Rampe Spitfire > > > > Steve Groh Spitfire > > > > Russ Moore Spitfire > > > > Richard Brown Spitfire > > > > Mark Wheatley TR-4 > > > > Jeff Clark GT-6 > > > > Vince Garrett GT-6+ > > > > Plus late entries. > > > > > > > > In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just > > inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will > be > > follow up reports. > > > > If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself > to > > make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend > > with more seat time than you can imagine. > > > > > > > > ".bet you can't do it just once!" > > > > > > > > Russ Moore > > > > Spitfire #49 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From garygret at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 9 21:39:03 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 20:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 oil filter bolt Message-ID: <1339299543.10659.YahooMailRC@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anyone know the thread size of the long bolt that holds the TR6 oil filter canister or spin-on adapter, or better yet have one they could spare? Mine somehow disappeared during an overly-long rebuild project, and neither a 7/16-14 or 7/16-20 seems to thread in nicely. (Sure hope my block threads aren't trashed, since the engine's back in the car.) Moss/TRF/VB show the bolt as NLA. Thanks, Gary Schneider From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Jun 10 05:14:52 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 07:14:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 oil filter bolt References: <1339299543.10659.YahooMailRC@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Gary, I have a spare or two. Do you need the whole canister setup? Let me know where to send it. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Schneider" To: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 11:39 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 oil filter bolt > Anyone know the thread size of the long bolt that holds the TR6 oil filter > canister or spin-on adapter, or better yet have one they could spare? Mine > somehow disappeared during an overly-long rebuild project, and neither a > 7/16-14 > or 7/16-20 seems to thread in nicely. (Sure hope my block threads aren't > trashed, since the engine's back in the car.) Moss/TRF/VB show the bolt as > NLA. > > Thanks, > Gary Schneider > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Sun Jun 10 06:39:32 2012 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 08:39:32 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA Message-ID: <6118754.1339331972682.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> It is a wonderfully great track to run! And a nice friendly organization as well. If you cant scare yourself at Mosport you just have icewater for blood. I'm thrilled that the Ghetto is being exported to Canada but we should worry a little about that many Spitfires all in one place. My favorite line from Mike Rosen, past President of VARAC, when Sunday was around 60 degF after Saturday had been nearly 90; "yesterday was summer" Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Spitfire Racing >Sent: Jun 9, 2012 5:40 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA > >Friends of Triumph: > > > >Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well >represented. > >Donny Sopp Spitfire > >Bill Rampe Spitfire > >Steve Groh Spitfire > >Russ Moore Spitfire > >Richard Brown Spitfire > >Mark Wheatley TR-4 > >Jeff Clark GT-6 > >Vince Garrett GT-6+ > >Plus late entries. > > > >In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just >inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will be >follow up reports. > >If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself to >make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend >with more seat time than you can imagine. > > > >".bet you can't do it just once!" > > > >Russ Moore > >Spitfire #49 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net From igofaster at att.net Sun Jun 10 08:43:12 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 07:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA now Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page Message-ID: <1339339392.72742.YahooMailRC@web180810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> there is a Spitfire FB page I'm on, sometimes... I don't see the big deal... what is there 300 of us guys and gals around the world TRYING to race these cars and keep the Marque alive??? my freshman experience at the Mitty found 3 guys that have GT6's and want to race (I invited 3 to the FoT and I think all three came on board).....how can they get to the perceived level if we are not somewhat open about what we do and what we try to do with our cars? The emotion of the Triumph runs very very deep with all of us or we wouldn't be here trying to help each other, all of us, get on the track and hope for that one weekend when all is good in the drivers seat... and I don't mean getting a thumbs up from a flat tow... There are several young kids on the SPITFIRE FB page and it's kind of encouraging that maybe somebody besides us ole farts... can keep excited about the marque. I've got 4 grown kids and only one is excited about our street TR6 when I decide to let him have it.... face it, technology is changing and I think FB is just another way like GrassRoots MotorSports and Classic MotorSports is being used to bring in new people to the vintage Triumph Marque... heck... if you know me, you know I'm a blabber mouth and I'll share anything about my cars to anybody who will stop long enough to listen to me... a couple of weeks ago this couple was walking by my house and the garage was open to view with the GT6 in plain view.. this guys walks by, then asks about the car... turns out he's an old F18 Hornet pilot who flew with one of my best friends in the Saints squadron... he has a GT6 he and his dad wrenched on for a few years now he's ready to start do the same with his boys... we are somewhat all compelled to pass it along like my friends Bob and Andrew Kramer (father and son team).. Gregg and Bob Blake (father and son team) ... and even fellow GT6 racer Jason Ostrowski whom I met at the Mitty with his father who also raced GT6's ... Point is, I'm excited about the cars even though I've been through the emotional gamut on the highest highs and lowest lows as far as racing the Triumph is concerned... it's like gay marriage, I think they should be allowed to be just as miserable as the rest of us... uh,,,, welll,,,, sorry tooo much coffee this morning.... I take that back, but I think you could see the point is we should be an open community in some fashion to help other people find us and welcome them into our community... just saying... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 10 13:58:38 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 15:58:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Updated: Triumphs at Mosport, CA Message-ID: <001801cd4743$6d4b3a40$47e1aec0$@rr.com> Friends of Triumph: I have been given some additional information with even more Triumphs running at Mosport! At least two of the cars have GoPro cameras installed and I am sure there will be someone with a digital camera. Donny Sopp Spitfire Bill Rampe Spitfire Steve Groh Spitfire Russ Moore Spitfire Richard Brown Spitfire Mark Wheatley TR-4 Mike DeWeerd TR-4 Jeff Clark GT-6 Vince Garrett GT-6+ Peter Bulkowski TR8 Benoit Laflamme TR8 Plus late entries. In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will be follow up reports. If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself to make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend with more seat time than you can imagine. ".bet you can't do it just once!" Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sun Jun 10 20:17:45 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:17:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000801cd4778$63cfc1e0$2b6f45a0$@com> Sadly, I don't think Ryan and I will make the race. I'm still putting the engine back together after just getting the parts back from the machine shop. I'm thinking of coming down on Saturday with the TR5 to visit. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 4:00 PM To: jason at multivintage.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net; fpspitfire at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: John Hasty Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA (Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Jason....are you going to MO? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > , > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson >wrote: > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > with? > >> > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > >> > >> Aaron > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > >> 317-517-4587 > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From rjohns at woh.rr.com Sun Jun 10 21:25:24 2012 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:25:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Question for Chris about Spa? Message-ID: <7637F4CFC03B4D20A39270E0C00C0A2A@Bucktailus> Chris, What course do you Vintage sports car guys use at Spa? The GP course or the original course? Bob Johns From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jun 10 22:43:23 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 04:43:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: <000801cd4778$63cfc1e0$2b6f45a0$@com> References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <000801cd4778$63cfc1e0$2b6f45a0$@com> Message-ID: Don't give up. You can do it! A day has 24 hours if wifes doesn't disturb. Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: "Tim Murphy" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:17:45 To: 'Joe Alexander'; ; Cc: ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Sadly, I don't think Ryan and I will make the race. I'm still putting the engine back together after just getting the parts back from the machine shop. I'm thinking of coming down on Saturday with the TR5 to visit. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 4:00 PM To: jason at multivintage.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net; fpspitfire at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: John Hasty Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA (Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Jason....are you going to MO? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > , > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson >wrote: > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > with? > >> > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > >> > >> Aaron > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > >> 317-517-4587 > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jun 10 23:43:45 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 05:43:45 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Question for Chris about Spa? In-Reply-To: <7637F4CFC03B4D20A39270E0C00C0A2A@Bucktailus> References: <7637F4CFC03B4D20A39270E0C00C0A2A@Bucktailus> Message-ID: We run the GP version. The original track was taken off the public road course about 10 years ago. A good thing as the public roads in Belgium are not made for racing. Too many pot holes. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: "Robert Johns" Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:25:24 To: FOT team; MadMarx Subject: Question for Chris about Spa? Chris, What course do you Vintage sports car guys use at Spa? The GP course or the original course? Bob Johns From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 11 00:54:01 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 08:54:01 +0200 Subject: [Fot] The BeachBoys In-Reply-To: <20120611054322.2A2BF2D0385@autox.team.net> References: <7637F4CFC03B4D20A39270E0C00C0A2A@Bucktailus> <20120611054322.2A2BF2D0385@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000801cd479e$fc92dae0$f5b890a0$@com> America was us always ahead with having the BeachBoys. It took 50+years to build our own BeachBoys group ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltMGeUNA6lE Have phun! Chris From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 11 04:04:13 2012 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 03:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: <000801cd4778$63cfc1e0$2b6f45a0$@com> References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <000801cd4778$63cfc1e0$2b6f45a0$@com> Message-ID: <1339409053.69188.YahooMailNeo@web184412.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I plan to be there, but without car ... I just pulled the plug on the project ... many thanks to Scott Barr for trying to help me get there with the loan of an engine & tranny. Just too many "what ifs" etc ... my car will make the fall fest at RA for sure ... See you all there. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire ________________________________ From: Tim Murphy To: 'Joe Alexander' ; jason at multivintage.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net; fpspitfire at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Sadly, I don't think Ryan and I will make the race. I'm still putting the engine back together after just getting the parts back from the machine shop. I'm thinking of coming down on Saturday with the TR5 to visit. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 4:00 PM To: jason at multivintage.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net; fpspitfire at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: John Hasty Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA (Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Jason....are you going to MO? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > , > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson >wrote: > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > with? > >> > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > >> > >> Aaron > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > >> 317-517-4587 > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tstrange at sbcglobal.net From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 11 07:32:56 2012 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 06:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: <000801cd4778$63cfc1e0$2b6f45a0$@com> References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <000801cd4778$63cfc1e0$2b6f45a0$@com> Message-ID: <1339421576.97609.YahooMailNeo@web184408.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> All, Assuming I can get a membership card, and get in .... I'll hopefully be bringing an engine down for Ernie .. I'll be there to help with wrenching and beer drinking if anyone needs help (particularly with the beer drinking))) If there are any parts or pieces I can bring for anyone, let me know. I may run up to see John Berget fri. or sat. to look at tires also. Let me know if there is anything I can help with. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire ________________________________ From: Tim Murphy To: 'Joe Alexander' ; jason at multivintage.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net; fpspitfire at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Sadly, I don't think Ryan and I will make the race. I'm still putting the engine back together after just getting the parts back from the machine shop. I'm thinking of coming down on Saturday with the TR5 to visit. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 4:00 PM To: jason at multivintage.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net; fpspitfire at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: John Hasty Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA (Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Jason....are you going to MO? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > , > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson >wrote: > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > with? > >> > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > >> > >> Aaron > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > >> 317-517-4587 > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tstrange at sbcglobal.net From riverside at southslope.net Mon Jun 11 08:20:42 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:20:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B2E384A60FF4A499CB6E32AE61A9586@rileyPC> That was MAR Mid America Raceway - currently in the process of being turned into a residential development. I took a last walk around and took a bunch of pics about 4 years ago. My best memories of racing my TR goddam 3 were at that track. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 3:55 PM To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson ; fot Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed Oh.....and by the way, my guess is Mid America Motorsport ......West of St. Louis. Raced my bike there in the 80's... Roughest bump filled track I ever ran Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > , > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson wrote: > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part >> with? >> >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! >> >> Aaron >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 >> 317-517-4587 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2433/5058 - Release Date: 06/09/12 From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon Jun 11 10:23:18 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:23:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Glove recomendation / reviews Message-ID: Looking for a , excuse me, "hands on", recommendation on new racing gloves. My 2 year old Bell gloves, model no longer in production, started to rapidly break down over the course of a weekend. They fit well and are comfortable but it looks like I can't replace them. With a two year lifespan, not sure if I want to anyway. I had a pair of G-Force for years and might go back to them but thought I'd ask around. Any recommendations? No speed shops around here any more, I can't do a test fitting. I was also considering at K1 and K1 pro gloves, anyone used them? thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jun 11 10:39:38 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:39:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The BeachBoys References: <7637F4CFC03B4D20A39270E0C00C0A2A@Bucktailus><20120611054322.2A2BF2D0385@autox.team.net> <000801cd479e$fc92dae0$f5b890a0$@com> Message-ID: <6F08A5A8D13C467A9E0AD522996CDA61@Charly> Actually looks more like Beach Party Bingo or one of those Annette and Frankie films, but with a little Molly Hatchett throw in. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT team'" Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 11:54 PM Subject: [Fot] The BeachBoys > America was us always ahead with having the BeachBoys. > It took 50+years to build our own BeachBoys group ;-) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltMGeUNA6lE > > Have phun! > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Jun 11 11:33:07 2012 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:33:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC: Anyone headed south from the Chicago area? Message-ID: <8A43E49B-1969-454A-9AF1-57D0209DB3BF@141.com> Hi gang! I won some dishes from a seller on eBay who said she would ship. Turns out she won't, but we really want the dishes, so I am trying to figure out getting them to central Kentucky. I tried several pack and ship places, but they are exorbitantly expensive. :( Anyone going through the Chicago area headed south, who would be willing to deal with two large, heavy boxes of dishes? I am happy to help with gas/whatever. Thank you! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) From horizonracing at msn.com Mon Jun 11 11:54:50 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:54:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Glove recomendation / reviews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use Stand 21. > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: harmug at us.ibm.com > Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:23:18 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] Glove recomendation / reviews > > Looking for a , excuse me, "hands on", recommendation on new racing gloves. > My 2 year old Bell gloves, model no longer in production, started to > rapidly break down over the course of a weekend. They fit well and are > comfortable but it looks like I can't replace them. With a two year > lifespan, not sure if I want to anyway. I had a pair of G-Force for years > and might go back to them but thought I'd ask around. Any recommendations? > No speed shops around here any more, I can't do a test fitting. I was also > considering at K1 and K1 pro gloves, anyone used them? > > thanks > mike > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jun 11 12:09:22 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:09:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC: Anyone headed south from the Chicago area? In-Reply-To: <8A43E49B-1969-454A-9AF1-57D0209DB3BF@141.com> References: <8A43E49B-1969-454A-9AF1-57D0209DB3BF@141.com> Message-ID: Susan: I own a Antiques and Vintage Toy Store in Brookfield Il (10 miles west of Chicago) I have stated before to FoT... I can serve a a drop point/shipping hub for anyone in need. No Charge. Figure out any easy plan to get them to my store, and I'll make sure they reach you safely. I'm out and about the Chicago land area daily most mornings before 11 am (then I'm in the store all day 11-7.) I could probably pick them up from the lady so long as its not a major drive or unrealistically complicated. I'm happy to help you out. (Free 'cause you drive the # 42) Just love being of help to my fellow Triumph buddy's... Its the Friendly Ghost way. I'm sure we can figure something easy out. Store # (708) 387-9417 Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > Hi gang! > > I won some dishes from a seller on eBay who said she would ship. Turns out > she > won't, but we really want the dishes, so I am trying to figure out getting > them to central Kentucky. I tried several pack and ship places, but they > are > exorbitantly expensive. :( > > Anyone going through the Chicago area headed south, who would be willing to > deal with two large, heavy boxes of dishes? I am happy to help with > gas/whatever. > > Thank you! > > Keep Triumphing, > > Susan :) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jun 11 12:12:02 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:12:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC: Anyone headed south from the Chicago area? In-Reply-To: References: <8A43E49B-1969-454A-9AF1-57D0209DB3BF@141.com> Message-ID: Whoops! Wrong number! My bad. Its 708-387-0890 Jason On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Susan: > I own a Antiques and Vintage Toy Store in Brookfield Il (10 miles west of > Chicago) > > I have stated before to FoT... I can serve a a drop point/shipping hub for > anyone in need. No Charge. > Figure out any easy plan to get them to my store, and I'll make sure they > reach you safely. > I'm out and about the Chicago land area daily most mornings before 11 am > (then I'm in the store all day 11-7.) > I could probably pick them up from the lady so long as its not a major > drive or unrealistically complicated. > > I'm happy to help you out. (Free 'cause you drive the # 42) > Just love being of help to my fellow Triumph buddy's... Its the Friendly > Ghost way. > I'm sure we can figure something easy out. > Store # (708) 387-9417 > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > >> Hi gang! >> >> I won some dishes from a seller on eBay who said she would ship. Turns >> out she >> won't, but we really want the dishes, so I am trying to figure out getting >> them to central Kentucky. I tried several pack and ship places, but they >> are >> exorbitantly expensive. :( >> >> Anyone going through the Chicago area headed south, who would be willing >> to >> deal with two large, heavy boxes of dishes? I am happy to help with >> gas/whatever. >> >> Thank you! >> >> Keep Triumphing, >> >> Susan :) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Mon Jun 11 11:06:04 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 18:06:04 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Glove recomendation / reviews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66FE3565-D465-4B73-B9DC-DB7CFA821F42@virgin.net> Stand 21 makes the best - not sure if you can get them Over there ?? If not I can put you in touch Tony Sent from my iPhone On 11 Jun 2012, at 17:23, George Harmuth wrote: > Looking for a , excuse me, "hands on", recommendation on new racing gloves. > My 2 year old Bell gloves, model no longer in production, started to > rapidly break down over the course of a weekend. They fit well and are > comfortable but it looks like I can't replace them. With a two year > lifespan, not sure if I want to anyway. I had a pair of G-Force for years > and might go back to them but thought I'd ask around. Any recommendations? > No speed shops around here any more, I can't do a test fitting. I was also > considering at K1 and K1 pro gloves, anyone used them? > > thanks > mike > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 11 14:48:48 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:48:48 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Photos Eifelrace 2011 In-Reply-To: <6F08A5A8D13C467A9E0AD522996CDA61@Charly> References: <7637F4CFC03B4D20A39270E0C00C0A2A@Bucktailus><20120611054322.2A2BF2D0385@autox.team.net> <000801cd479e$fc92dae0$f5b890a0$@com> <6F08A5A8D13C467A9E0AD522996CDA61@Charly> Message-ID: <002201cd4813$9b535280$d1f9f780$@com> About 300 photos: http://www.tr4-racing.de/deu/gallery2011.html cheers Chris From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jun 11 19:05:51 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 21:05:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Glove recomendation / reviews References: Message-ID: Hi, I've been using Simpson Posi Grips, had the same pair for six years. They are two layer Nomex with gauntlets. SFI 3.3/5. They are comfortable and wear well. Around $100. I have large hands and the XL's fit well. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 12:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Glove recomendation / reviews > Looking for a , excuse me, "hands on", recommendation on new racing > gloves. > My 2 year old Bell gloves, model no longer in production, started to > rapidly break down over the course of a weekend. They fit well and are > comfortable but it looks like I can't replace them. With a two year > lifespan, not sure if I want to anyway. I had a pair of G-Force for years > and might go back to them but thought I'd ask around. Any recommendations? > No speed shops around here any more, I can't do a test fitting. I was also > considering at K1 and K1 pro gloves, anyone used them? > > thanks > mike > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jun 11 19:06:55 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 20:06:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The BeachBoys In-Reply-To: <6F08A5A8D13C467A9E0AD522996CDA61@Charly> References: <7637F4CFC03B4D20A39270E0C00C0A2A@Bucktailus> <20120611054322.2A2BF2D0385@autox.team.net> <000801cd479e$fc92dae0$f5b890a0$@com> <6F08A5A8D13C467A9E0AD522996CDA61@Charly> Message-ID: I love Rammstein! What a fun mix of heavy metal and bikinis! Tony At 11:39 AM 6/11/2012, Charly Mitchel wrote: >Actually looks more like Beach Party Bingo or one of those Annette >and Frankie films, but with a little Molly Hatchett throw in. > >Charly Mitchel >----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" >To: "'FOT team'" >Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 11:54 PM >Subject: [Fot] The BeachBoys > > >>America was us always ahead with having the BeachBoys. >>It took 50+years to build our own BeachBoys group ;-) >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltMGeUNA6lE >> >>Have phun! >> >>Chris >>_______________________________________________ >>fot at autox.team.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe: >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Tue Jun 12 02:04:03 2012 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (geoff byrne) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:04:03 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR Syncros Message-ID: <000001cd4871$ef48c380$cdda4a80$@optushome.com.au> Friends Does anyone have experience with the Moss premium syncros for the TR gearbox . Are they any good? Thanks Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down under From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Jun 12 07:57:21 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Tire / Wheel Query Message-ID: Hi, TR6, F Prepared Solo car. I was shopping for tires yesterday and my fallback plan (Goodyear G19's) fell through as the company has none in stock in the R250 compound and there's nothing on the production schedule in the coming month. No biggie, I'll just get a set of Hoosiers later when I actually need them. Turns out the set on the car now probably have a few events' life in them. But I then started thinking that a lot of the fast guys in Solo are now running 16x10 wheels and the various radial tires (which seem to be in supply) also seem to be available in soft (GY R250 compound). But the switch would mean going to 10 inch wide wheels. I'm pretty sure that fitment shouldn't be a huge deal other than the wallet hit, but I thought I might ping the list to see if anyone can offer any experience either with 16 x 10 wheels or running the straight sidewall radial (or bias, if they are available) race tires. And yes, I know it's not vintage. :-) On the same topic, I haven't looked at a GCR for 5 years or so, but is E Prod still limited to 15x7 wheels? rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue Jun 12 08:22:56 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:22:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR Syncros References: <000001cd4871$ef48c380$cdda4a80$@optushome.com.au> Message-ID: Not sure, but I know the synchros from BP NW are good. http://www.bpnorthwest.com/index.php/triumph/tr250-tr6/synchro-ring-tr3-to-tr6.html Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "geoff byrne" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:04 AM Subject: [Fot] TR Syncros > Friends > > Does anyone have experience with the Moss premium syncros for the TR > gearbox > . Are they any good? > > Thanks > > Geoff Byrne > > TR6 Racer Down under > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From rikrock at live.com Tue Jun 12 12:31:33 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:31:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Summit Point pics 1974 Message-ID: Www.summitpoint.taylortek.com From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Tue Jun 12 17:09:51 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <000001cd4871$ef48c380$cdda4a80$@optushome.com.au> References: <000001cd4871$ef48c380$cdda4a80$@optushome.com.au> Message-ID: <1339542591.58367.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In a TR6, I have a somewhat hotter cam (done by the PO so I don't know any particulars), triple 40 DCOE Webers, a Crane ignition system, and use the stock distributor (advance and retard unhooked) with Petronix Ignitor and Flame Thrower coil with resistor wire converted to non-resistor type. My question is ...would I benefit sufficiently powerwise by going to a non-stock distributor and if so, what is a good performance distributor for the TR6? Thanks for any input. Jim From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jun 12 17:33:45 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:33:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <1339542591.58367.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <000001cd4871$ef48c380$cdda4a80$@optushome.com.au> <1339542591.58367.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FD7D1D9.2030509@bradakis.com> Aftermarket units tend to not have the tach drive, you'll have to go electronic if you want one. Just a week or so back we had a customer who wanted a new distributor, but backed off due to the tach issue. mjb. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jun 12 18:01:24 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:01:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <1339542591.58367.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim, I use the 1-2-3 distributor made in the Netherlands in the tr4. You can pre-program the timing curve. Theyre a really nice piece of work but pricey. http://www.123ignition.nl/ Then there's the Mallory Unilite which is even more pricey and then there is the Pertronix under $ 200.00. http://www.racingshift.com/index.php?auto=triumph&end=133191 There is a big benefit in performance and reliability to going to one of the three. jim g -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sherry robyn Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 5:10 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In a TR6, I have a somewhat hotter cam (done by the PO so I don't know any particulars), triple 40 DCOE Webers, a Crane ignition system, and use the stock distributor (advance and retard unhooked) with Petronix Ignitor and Flame Thrower coil with resistor wire converted to non-resistor type. My question is ...would I benefit sufficiently powerwise by going to a non-stock distributor and if so, what is a good performance distributor for the TR6? Thanks for any input. Jim _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From triosan at gmail.com Tue Jun 12 18:34:47 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:34:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <1339542591.58367.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <000001cd4871$ef48c380$cdda4a80$@optushome.com.au> <1339542591.58367.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I use the Pertronix distributor with the flamethower II unit in the race car. Works great. Word of cuation, you can use a low impedance flamethower coil with the II, but be careful you will burn up the coils not made for it -- ask me how I $$$ know. On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 4:09 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > In a TR6, I have a somewhat hotter cam (done by the PO so I don't know any > particulars), triple 40 DCOE Webers, a Crane ignition system, and use the > stock > distributor (advance and retard unhooked) with Petronix Ignitor and > Flame > Thrower coil with resistor wire converted to non-resistor type. My > question is > ...would I benefit sufficiently powerwise by going to a non-stock > distributor > and if so, what is a good performance distributor for the TR6? > Thanks for any input. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Tue Jun 12 18:49:42 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <4FD7D1D9.2030509@bradakis.com> References: <000001cd4871$ef48c380$cdda4a80$@optushome.com.au> <1339542591.58367.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4FD7D1D9.2030509@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1339548582.58130.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks. I do understand that the after market distributors don't have the mechanical tach hook up. That is another of those costs that cause me to ask about the benefits. Jim ________________________________ From: Mark J Bradakis To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, June 12, 2012 4:33:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 distributor question Aftermarket units tend to not have the tach drive, you'll have to go electronic if you want one. Just a week or so back we had a customer who wanted a new distributor, but backed off due to the tach issue. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From rjohns at woh.rr.com Tue Jun 12 21:17:37 2012 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:17:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ramstein AFB, Germany Message-ID: <68F353A0FB0F42B385AA346EA41DD5CA@Bucktailus> The notation of Ramstein caught my attention in Tony's note about enjoying the German Beach boys. A bit of history involving Triumph occurred at a place called Ramstein AFB in Germany in 1956. The USAF in Europe decided to run some sports cars races on Armed Forces Day in 1956. They ran races for all classes at Ramstein and at a sister base, Landstul AFB. I won the 2 litre class at both of those base races in my TR2. Thus the name "Ramstein" caught my attention. Bob Johns From garygret at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 12 22:32:14 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Tire / Wheel Query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1339561934.94273.YahooMailRC@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob, The 2012 GCR still has 15x7" for all TRs in EP. No experience with a 10-inch rim width, but the G19s on my EP TR4 were a similar 10.4" section width and needed about a 4-inch fender flare with huge wheel wells to allow steering range. Guess if you've been running G19s you must have that covered already. I tried an Autocross just once on R430s and it was embarrassing, like driving on ice :-) Regards, Gary Schneider ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, June 12, 2012 9:53:08 AM Subject: [Fot] Tire / Wheel Query Hi, TR6, F Prepared Solo car. I was shopping for tires yesterday and my fallback plan (Goodyear G19's) fell through as the company has none in stock in the R250 compound and there's nothing on the production schedule in the coming month. No biggie, I'll just get a set of Hoosiers later when I actually need them. Turns out the set on the car now probably have a few events' life in them. But I then started thinking that a lot of the fast guys in Solo are now running 16x10 wheels and the various radial tires (which seem to be in supply) also seem to be available in soft (GY R250 compound). But the switch would mean going to 10 inch wide wheels. I'm pretty sure that fitment shouldn't be a huge deal other than the wallet hit, but I thought I might ping the list to see if anyone can offer any experience either with 16 x 10 wheels or running the straight sidewall radial (or bias, if they are available) race tires. And yes, I know it's not vintage. :-) On the same topic, I haven't looked at a GCR for 5 years or so, but is E Prod still limited to 15x7 wheels? rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jun 13 11:27:49 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:27:49 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com> Just for your interest.....what is coming up.....okay, wrong marquee but nice views: http://youtu.be/uSReA34lDgA Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von tr4racing at googlemail.com Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Juni 2012 23:04 Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Spa next weekend Anybody going to Spa ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jun 13 13:15:55 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:15:55 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ramstein AFB, Germany In-Reply-To: <68F353A0FB0F42B385AA346EA41DD5CA@Bucktailus> References: <68F353A0FB0F42B385AA346EA41DD5CA@Bucktailus> Message-ID: <002501cd4998$f61e4d10$e25ae730$@com> I live close to Ramstein. About 60 km far from me. The Band Rammstein took the name after the aircraft accident but did write the name fals. Cheers Chris Von: Robert Johns [mailto:rjohns at woh.rr.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Juni 2012 05:18 An: MadMarx; FOT team Betreff: Ramstein AFB, Germany The notation of Ramstein caught my attention in Tony's note about enjoying the German Beach boys. A bit of history involving Triumph occurred at a place called Ramstein AFB in Germany in 1956. The USAF in Europe decided to run some sports cars races on Armed Forces Day in 1956. They ran races for all classes at Ramstein and at a sister base, Landstul AFB. I won the 2 litre class at both of those base races in my TR2. Thus the name "Ramstein" caught my attention. Bob Johns From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Jun 13 14:14:46 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:14:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <20120613000741.204DD2D060A@autox.team.net> References: <20120613000741.204DD2D060A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> That looks like a neat unit with both mechanical and vacuum advance. Getting back to the tach drive question. Does anyone offer an electric tach that would have the same appearance as an original? Larry On 6/12/2012 7:01 PM, Jim Gray wrote: > Jim, > I use the 1-2-3 distributor made in the Netherlands in the tr4. You can > pre-program the timing curve. Theyre a really nice piece of work but pricey. > > http://www.123ignition.nl/ > Then there's the Mallory Unilite which is even more pricey and then > there is the Pertronix under $ 200.00. > http://www.racingshift.com/index.php?auto=triumph&end=133191 > > There is a big benefit in performance and reliability to going to one of the > three. > > jim g > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of sherry robyn > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 5:10 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question > > In a TR6, I have a somewhat hotter cam (done by the PO so I don't know any > particulars), triple 40 DCOE Webers, a Crane ignition system, and use the > stock > distributor (advance and retard unhooked) with Petronix Ignitor and > Flame > Thrower coil with resistor wire converted to non-resistor type. My > question is > ...would I benefit sufficiently powerwise by going to a non-stock > distributor > and if so, what is a good performance distributor for the TR6? > Thanks for any input. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jun 13 14:46:27 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:46:27 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> References: <20120613000741.204DD2D060A@autox.team.net> <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> Message-ID: The 123 unit had very often a complete malfunction here in Europe in race cars. The unit doesn't stand heat for long. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:14:46 To: Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 distributor question That looks like a neat unit with both mechanical and vacuum advance. Getting back to the tach drive question. Does anyone offer an electric tach that would have the same appearance as an original? Larry On 6/12/2012 7:01 PM, Jim Gray wrote: > Jim, > I use the 1-2-3 distributor made in the Netherlands in the tr4. You can > pre-program the timing curve. Theyre a really nice piece of work but pricey. > > http://www.123ignition.nl/ > Then there's the Mallory Unilite which is even more pricey and then > there is the Pertronix under $ 200.00. > http://www.racingshift.com/index.php?auto=triumph&end=133191 > > There is a big benefit in performance and reliability to going to one of the > three. > > jim g > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of sherry robyn > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 5:10 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question > > In a TR6, I have a somewhat hotter cam (done by the PO so I don't know any > particulars), triple 40 DCOE Webers, a Crane ignition system, and use the > stock > distributor (advance and retard unhooked) with Petronix Ignitor and > Flame > Thrower coil with resistor wire converted to non-resistor type. My > question is > ...would I benefit sufficiently powerwise by going to a non-stock > distributor > and if so, what is a good performance distributor for the TR6? > Thanks for any input. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From invite+AZm90QGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0 at facebookmail.com Tue Jun 12 05:59:31 2012 From: invite+AZm90QGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0 at facebookmail.com (Ken Gano) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 04:59:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Check out my photos on Facebook Message-ID: <332e8e455f8064c79f01bac0594c5c36@async.facebook.com> Hi Ken, I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. 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Attention: Department 415 P.O Box 10005 Palo Alto CA 94303 From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jun 13 15:36:12 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:36:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Check out my photos on Facebook In-Reply-To: <332e8e455f8064c79f01bac0594c5c36@async.facebook.com> References: <332e8e455f8064c79f01bac0594c5c36@async.facebook.com> Message-ID: <000601cd49ac$8e39fd20$aaadf760$@rr.com> > I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and > events Not to discourage anyone from sharing, but I suggest you read the Facebook terms of service VERY carefully. I believe they basically say that Mark Zuckerberg and his partner (who renounced US citizenship) own whatever you post, including photos, personal information, family relationships etc. And they make their money by selling that information in various ways. Call me paranoid if you like; but I will not be joining you there, and if I could find out how to delete my Facebook account, I would. TANSTAAFL "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch" -- Randall From rjl6n at cstone.net Wed Jun 13 16:18:16 2012 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (Water Rescue Chief) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:18:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> References: <20120613000741.204DD2D060A@autox.team.net> <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> Message-ID: <9dedd4b773dde4f98891476e154ff8e9.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Places like Nissonger, etc can put an electric tach mechanism in your housing so that it looks the same, but is electronic. I had that done to my TR-3 tach when I added the fuel injection. John On Wed, June 13, 2012 4:14 pm, Larry Young wrote: > That looks like a neat unit with both mechanical and vacuum advance. > Getting back to the tach drive question. Does anyone offer an electric > tach that would have the same appearance as an original? > Larry > > On 6/12/2012 7:01 PM, Jim Gray wrote: >> Jim, >> I use the 1-2-3 distributor made in the Netherlands in the tr4. You can >> pre-program the timing curve. Theyre a really nice piece of work but >> pricey. >> >> http://www.123ignition.nl/ >> Then there's the Mallory Unilite which is even more pricey and then >> there is the Pertronix under $ 200.00. >> http://www.racingshift.com/index.php?auto=triumph&end=133191 >> >> There is a big benefit in performance and reliability to going to one of >> the >> three. >> >> jim g >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of sherry robyn >> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 5:10 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question >> >> In a TR6, I have a somewhat hotter cam (done by the PO so I don't know >> any >> particulars), triple 40 DCOE Webers, a Crane ignition system, and use >> the >> stock >> distributor (advance and retard unhooked) with Petronix Ignitor and >> Flame >> Thrower coil with resistor wire converted to non-resistor type. My >> question is >> ...would I benefit sufficiently powerwise by going to a non-stock >> distributor >> and if so, what is a good performance distributor for the TR6? >> Thanks for any input. >> >> Jim >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jun 14 07:39:19 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> References: <20120613000741.204DD2D060A@autox.team.net> <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Larry Young wrote: > That looks like a neat unit with both mechanical and vacuum advance. Getting > back to the tach drive question. Does anyone offer an electric tach that > would have the same appearance as an original? www.gaugeguys.com aka apt intruments international they can switch the guts on a mechanical tach with real smiths eletric tachs. they look like a stock gauge and work well. I had my street car converted a while back. It worked great 'till I accidentally zapped it, but that was my fault, not APT Intruments. If you want to do it yourself, you may be able to swap the guts from a Spitfire electric tach, but I have no idea hoe to calibrate it for 6 swilinders. > Larry regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From walt at hot-tr6.com Thu Jun 14 09:11:49 2012 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:11:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: References: <20120613000741.204DD2D060A@autox.team.net> <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> Message-ID: <000001cd4a40$0b9a0ce0$22ce26a0$@hot-tr6.com> There is a speedometer repair shop in Albuquerque, NM called MoMa, that will take your mechanical drive tachometer and convert it to electrical input. You just need to tell them if it is for a 4,6 or 8 cylinder car. Gauge looks perfectly stock but will take the impulse from the negative lead of the coil. Works perfectly on my vintage TR6 racecar that has a Mallory dual point mechanical advance distributor. Cost to clean and convert the gauge is about $250.00 Walt Hollowell Abq., NM -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:39 AM To: Larry Young Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 distributor question On Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Larry Young wrote: > That looks like a neat unit with both mechanical and vacuum advance. > Getting back to the tach drive question. Does anyone offer an > electric tach that would have the same appearance as an original? www.gaugeguys.com aka apt intruments international they can switch the guts on a mechanical tach with real smiths eletric tachs. they look like a stock gauge and work well. I had my street car converted a while back. It worked great 'till I accidentally zapped it, but that was my fault, not APT Intruments. If you want to do it yourself, you may be able to swap the guts from a Spitfire electric tach, but I have no idea hoe to calibrate it for 6 swilinders. > Larry regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Jun 15 10:46:45 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:46:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 brake bias lever Message-ID: <1311982816.965670.1339778805259.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT I'm adding a brake bias lever to the car which is mounted to the right side of the drivers seat. I will tap into the rear circuit at the rear line splitter. I've heard the term " Girling style bubble flair " before, I know my flaring tool does the SAE double flair. Can someone enlighten me on English style bubble flairs please. Thanks as always, Jim g From rjl6n at cstone.net Fri Jun 15 10:51:28 2012 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (Me) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 12:51:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 brake bias lever In-Reply-To: <1311982816.965670.1339778805259.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1311982816.965670.1339778805259.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3acaeb80c8f3eeafd6449b2e598d4357.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> here's a good write up that Chris Kantarjiev did a few years ago: http://www.dimebank.com/BrakePlumbing.html John On Fri, June 15, 2012 12:46 pm, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > FoT > > I'm adding a brake bias lever to the car which is mounted to the right > side of the drivers seat. > > I will tap into the rear circuit at the rear line splitter. > > I've heard the term " Girling style bubble flair " before, I know my > flaring tool does the SAE double flair. > > Can someone enlighten me on English style bubble flairs please. > > Thanks as always, > > Jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri Jun 15 12:43:40 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:43:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 brake bias lever References: <1311982816.965670.1339778805259.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Check out fedhillusa.com to get a primer on brake fittings and lines. They have a good website and lots of info. Very helpful tech line. I've gone to copper-nickle alloy brake lines; easy to flare and form, and don't rust. A little more $ but worth it. NFI. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "fot" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 12:46 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 brake bias lever > FoT > > I'm adding a brake bias lever to the car which is mounted to the right > side of the drivers seat. > > I will tap into the rear circuit at the rear line splitter. > > I've heard the term " Girling style bubble flair " before, I know my > flaring tool does the SAE double flair. > > Can someone enlighten me on English style bubble flairs please. > > Thanks as always, > > Jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Jun 15 12:58:28 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 brake bias lever In-Reply-To: <3acaeb80c8f3eeafd6449b2e598d4357.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Message-ID: <298976371.971325.1339786708275.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> John, That was a real helpfull article. Long story short, if you have a tool that will do a double flair it will do a Girling bubble flair. A double flair is a two step process, to get a bubble flair you just do the first step of the double flair and there you go, bubble flair. Thanks, jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Me" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: "fot" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 10:51:28 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 brake bias lever here's a good write up that Chris Kantarjiev did a few years ago: http://www.dimebank.com/BrakePlumbing.html John On Fri, June 15, 2012 12:46 pm, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > FoT > > I'm adding a brake bias lever to the car which is mounted to the right > side of the drivers seat. > > I will tap into the rear circuit at the rear line splitter. > > I've heard the term " Girling style bubble flair " before, I know my > flaring tool does the SAE double flair. > > Can someone enlighten me on English style bubble flairs please. > > Thanks as always, > > Jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sun Jun 17 09:10:15 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:10:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Dual Valve Springs Message-ID: I had a miss at high rpms. My distributor had a lot of wobble at the top of the shaft so replaced it. Although it ran stronger at low speeds, the miss at high rpms was still there. I pulled the valve cover and found the number 4 inner valve spring was broken. Thanks to Jim Gray (again) for suggesting I check this. I am wondering what may have caused this. I am also wondering if I should pull the head to see if it caused any damage but since it ran very smooth at low rpms, I am thinking I was just getting some valve float at high rpms. I am going to replace all the springs at this point to make sure. I think I can raise the piston to TDC for each cylinder, and use the valve spring compressor for on head removal. Have others done spring replacements this way or should I just pull the head? Finally, what springs do folks use? In searching the web, it seems rare to see a valve spring break, but I have not heard what experiences other FOT users have had. I have a Paeco 6600 rpm cam, titanium retainers, and chrome moly push rods as well as a rebuilt rocker assembly, but those roller rockers sure do look nice! Thanks in advance for your helpful advice and Happy Fathers Day to all the dads out there. Ty Sent from my iPad From walt at hot-tr6.com Sun Jun 17 09:32:21 2012 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (walt at hot-tr6.com) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:32:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dual Valve Springs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120617103221.13872rrovs13trph@webmail.electronicmoneycompany.com> I have replaced broken springs on my TR6 racecar without removing the cylinder head. First do a compression check to confirm that there is no internal damage to the combustion area. Run the piston to the top of the cylinder you are working on. Then do as you stated to replace springs, retainers, keepers. I also found that a bent slender screwdriver works inserted through the spark plus hole to keep the valve you are working on from slipping down. Roller rockers are nice. I use a double roller rocker setup and i like it. Walt Hollowell of Albuquerque, New Mexico responding from Nevis Island in the Carribean. Quoting "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" : > I had a miss at high rpms. My distributor had a lot of wobble at the top of > the shaft so replaced it. Although it ran stronger at low speeds, the miss at > high rpms was still there. I pulled the valve cover and found the number 4 > inner valve spring was broken. Thanks to Jim Gray (again) for suggesting I > check this. > > I am wondering what may have caused this. I am also wondering if I should > pull the head to see if it caused any damage but since it ran very smooth at > low rpms, I am thinking I was just getting some valve float at high rpms. > > I am going to replace all the springs at this point to make sure. I think I > can raise the piston to TDC for each cylinder, and use the valve spring > compressor for on head removal. Have others done spring > replacements this way > or should I just pull the head? > > Finally, what springs do folks use? In searching the web, it seems rare to > see a valve spring break, but I have not heard what experiences other FOT > users have had. I have a Paeco 6600 rpm cam, titanium retainers, and chrome > moly push rods as well as a rebuilt rocker assembly, but those roller rockers > sure do look nice! > > Thanks in advance for your helpful advice and Happy Fathers Day to all the > dads out there. > > Ty > > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sun Jun 17 10:15:19 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:15:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dual Valve Springs In-Reply-To: <20120617103221.13872rrovs13trph@webmail.electronicmoneycompany.com> References: <20120617103221.13872rrovs13trph@webmail.electronicmoneycompany.com> Message-ID: <8B8F9811-BF98-4064-951B-2BC8C4FBB491@gmail.com> Some people have used compressed air (thru spark plug hole) to hold the valves closed while undoing the collets and springs, but I prefer the method of pushing some cotton cord down through the spark plug hole and then using the piston to keep the valves pushed upward. Duncan (Texas) On Jun 17, 2012, at 10:32 AM, walt at hot-tr6.com wrote: > I have replaced broken springs on my TR6 racecar without removing the cylinder head. First do a compression check to confirm that there is no internal damage to the combustion area. Run the piston to the top of the cylinder you are working on. Then do as you stated to replace springs, retainers, keepers. I also found that a bent slender screwdriver works inserted through the spark plus hole to keep the valve you are working on from slipping down. Roller rockers are nice. I use a double roller rocker setup and i like it. > Walt Hollowell of Albuquerque, New Mexico responding from Nevis Island in the Carribean. > > Quoting "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" : > >> I had a miss at high rpms. My distributor had a lot of wobble at the top of >> the shaft so replaced it. Although it ran stronger at low speeds, the miss at >> high rpms was still there. I pulled the valve cover and found the number 4 >> inner valve spring was broken. Thanks to Jim Gray (again) for suggesting I >> check this. >> >> I am wondering what may have caused this. I am also wondering if I should >> pull the head to see if it caused any damage but since it ran very smooth at >> low rpms, I am thinking I was just getting some valve float at high rpms. >> >> I am going to replace all the springs at this point to make sure. I think I >> can raise the piston to TDC for each cylinder, and use the valve spring >> compressor for on head removal. Have others done spring replacements this way >> or should I just pull the head? >> >> Finally, what springs do folks use? In searching the web, it seems rare to >> see a valve spring break, but I have not heard what experiences other FOT >> users have had. I have a Paeco 6600 rpm cam, titanium retainers, and chrome >> moly push rods as well as a rebuilt rocker assembly, but those roller rockers >> sure do look nice! >> >> Thanks in advance for your helpful advice and Happy Fathers Day to all the >> dads out there. >> >> Ty >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Jun 17 16:13:28 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 17:13:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dual Valve Springs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FDE5688.1010409@pobox.com> You should check that you don't have coil bind. I'd think that would be a likely cause. On 6/17/2012 10:10 AM, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote: > I had a miss at high rpms. My distributor had a lot of wobble at the top of > the shaft so replaced it. Although it ran stronger at low speeds, the miss at > high rpms was still there. I pulled the valve cover and found the number 4 > inner valve spring was broken. Thanks to Jim Gray (again) for suggesting I > check this. > > I am wondering what may have caused this. I am also wondering if I should > pull the head to see if it caused any damage but since it ran very smooth at > low rpms, I am thinking I was just getting some valve float at high rpms. > > I am going to replace all the springs at this point to make sure. I think I > can raise the piston to TDC for each cylinder, and use the valve spring > compressor for on head removal. Have others done spring replacements this way > or should I just pull the head? > > Finally, what springs do folks use? In searching the web, it seems rare to > see a valve spring break, but I have not heard what experiences other FOT > users have had. I have a Paeco 6600 rpm cam, titanium retainers, and chrome > moly push rods as well as a rebuilt rocker assembly, but those roller rockers > sure do look nice! > > Thanks in advance for your helpful advice and Happy Fathers Day to all the > dads out there. > > Ty > > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 18 02:29:58 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:29:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa last weekend In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com> Message-ID: <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com> Have a look.: http://youtu.be/oryDJVKBM8s Cheers Chris From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jun 18 07:44:05 2012 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT Mike Moore Message-ID: <7b4.7196c970.3d108aa5@cs.com> Gary Horstkorta and I are 'sponsoring' Mike Moore into the FOT. He just bought Gary's nicely prepared TR4 and will be on his way to California to bring it back to the Western, PA area. Please greet Mike . He has done so work at Mid-Ohio with schools and track days and is now prepared to join us in vintage racing. Mark Bradakis, please add Mike to this FOT list. mmoore at wave1.net Thanks, Joe From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Jun 18 07:57:54 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 08:57:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spa last weekend In-Reply-To: <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com> <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com> Message-ID: Chris -- a few questions -- Do you take out a bit of steering lock when the O/D engages when you're turning slightly and driving in the rain? I thought I saw you do that but couldn't tell whether it was pre-emptive or was done to correct a small side-step from the rear of the car. Was there a dry line visible anywhere? Any significant damage to your car or the Elan? Duncan (Texas) On Jun 18, 2012, at 3:29 AM, MadMarx wrote: > Have a look.: > > > > http://youtu.be/oryDJVKBM8s > > > > Cheers > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 18 08:01:55 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:01:55 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa last weekend In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com> <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com> Message-ID: <002701cd4d5a$ed6cfa70$c846ef50$@com> Yes I do as the rear wheels do spin a little on OD engagement. It was raining all the time, no dry spot. I had to adjust the steering and the registration plate is bend. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] Gesendet: Montag, 18. Juni 2012 15:58 An: MadMarx Cc: 'FOT team' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Spa last weekend Chris -- a few questions -- Do you take out a bit of steering lock when the O/D engages when you're turning slightly and driving in the rain? I thought I saw you do that but couldn't tell whether it was pre-emptive or was done to correct a small side-step from the rear of the car. Was there a dry line visible anywhere? Any significant damage to your car or the Elan? Duncan (Texas) On Jun 18, 2012, at 3:29 AM, MadMarx wrote: > Have a look.: > > > > http://youtu.be/oryDJVKBM8s > > > > Cheers > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Jun 18 08:56:23 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 07:56:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics Message-ID: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> For the past several months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph racing for the local Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. Among other things for this month's column, I want to include a preview of the Portland Historic Races. If you are planning on racing in this event, please let me know. I'd also like to include the model, year, and car number of the car you will be racing. Thanks in advance. From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jun 18 09:21:12 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:21:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Mike Moore References: <7b4.7196c970.3d108aa5@cs.com> Message-ID: <41EAE6F8FD0B464584D3478A52A9A7EB@owner8914bbf7f> Another Triumph racer, great. Mike's a member of the local British car group, the SOB's. Not as bad as it sounds, Sons Of Britian, or Scions of Britian, is the club. No dues, no officers, just owners of anything British. They meet for dinner on the 3rd Thursday of the month, do some tours, and generally have fun. And have a car show in September in Waterford PA. The SOB's are having a summer party at my farm July 29. Anyone and everyone is welcome. Bring that old Brirish car and come on down. Welcome Mike, glad you bought the TR. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 9:44 AM Subject: [Fot] FOT Mike Moore > Gary Horstkorta and I are 'sponsoring' Mike Moore into the FOT. > > He just bought Gary's nicely prepared TR4 and will be on his way to > California to bring it back to the Western, PA area. > > Please greet Mike . He has done so work at Mid-Ohio with schools and track > days and is now prepared to join us in vintage racing. > > Mark Bradakis, please add Mike to this FOT list. mmoore at wave1.net > > Thanks, > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Mon Jun 18 10:07:07 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics In-Reply-To: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1340035627.31427.YahooMailRC@web180611.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> What are the dates for the Portland Historic Races? ________________________________ From: Jim Norlin To: FOT Sent: Mon, June 18, 2012 7:56:59 AM Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics For the past several months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph racing for the local Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. Among other things for this month's column, I want to include a preview of the Portland Historic Races. If you are planning on racing in this event, please let me know. I'd also like to include the model, year, and car number of the car you will be racing. Thanks in advance. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jun 18 10:36:48 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:36:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: http://www.portlandhistorics.com/spectators/about.html Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Norlin" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:56 AM Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics > For the past several months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph > racing for the local Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. > Among other things for this month's column, I want to include a preview of > the Portland Historic Races. If you are planning on racing in this event, > please let me know. I'd also like to include the model, year, and car > number of the car you will be racing. Thanks in advance. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jun 18 10:39:20 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:39:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <974149E0C18E4860A7EB65BDEDEDD852@Charly> I'm planning on being there with my 1969 TR6 #44. Charly Mitchel .----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Norlin" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:56 AM Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics > For the past several months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph > racing for the local Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. > Among other things for this month's column, I want to include a preview of > the Portland Historic Races. If you are planning on racing in this event, > please let me know. I'd also like to include the model, year, and car > number of the car you will be racing. Thanks in advance. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From triosan at gmail.com Mon Jun 18 11:00:59 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:00:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics In-Reply-To: <1340035627.31427.YahooMailRC@web180611.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> <1340035627.31427.YahooMailRC@web180611.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: September 1 through 3. See SOVREN.org/events On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 9:07 AM, sherry robyn wrote: > What are the dates for the Portland Historic Races? > ________________________________ > From: Jim Norlin > > To: FOT > Sent: Mon, June > 18, 2012 7:56:59 AM > Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics > > For the past several > months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph > racing for the local > Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. Among > other things for this > month's column, I want to include a preview of the > Portland Historic Races. > If you are planning on racing in this event, please > let me know. I'd also > like to include the model, year, and car number of the > car you will be > racing. Thanks in advance. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: > http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 18 15:30:31 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 17:30:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Waterford Hills Vintage Message-ID: FoTers, Are any of you planning on attending the vintage races at Waterford Hills at the end of July? The link is here: http://www.waterfordhills.com/?t=vintage Regards, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jun 19 08:11:47 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:11:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms in-car video Message-ID: I posted a couple of videos in 1080p - my new GoPro works impressively well. Feature race: http://youtu.be/cB3vGdcbl2g There's a spin in front of me on the 2nd lap and later I get run off the road while lapping a car - those are the most notable incidents, but it was a decent, pretty action packed race. We had 40ish cars on the 2 mile course so there's a bunch of cars. I started 7th and finished 5th or 6th. Handicap race: http://youtu.be/TF7lBp9FCHs Less action in this one. On the last lap a bugeye loses a front wheel in front of me in the carousel corner. This is a race where they let you out one at a time, slowest cars first. Neat format. This one's still in post-processing on you tube so may not be available for a few hours. Cheers, Tony Drews From mmoore at wave1.net Tue Jun 19 13:27:02 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:27:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit Message-ID: <006601cd4e51$810ca720$8325f560$@net> Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What to look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days to learn the car. Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a lot to learn!! Thanks Mike 62 TR4 Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Jun 19 14:28:30 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:28:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit References: <006601cd4e51$810ca720$8325f560$@net> Message-ID: <30E9B3C7835E49CEA484CC3CC8ADF7E0@owner8914bbf7f> Hi Mike, welcome to the club. Lots of good suits out there. Get one that's SFI certified, 3-2A/5, or whatever the current standard is. Most vintage organizations want 3 laters of Nomex; 2 layer suit and underwear, or 3 layer suit. I was always told that if you're smart, you'll wear a 3 layer suit with underwear; the extra layer will give you 15-20 seconds more in a fire. If you have facial hair, a balaclave is required. (I'd wear one even if I didn't have facial hair). Simpson High top shoes are good, a little more support for ankles. Simpson Posi Grip gloves wear well. A good helmet and a HANS are a good idea. Remember the old Bell ads from the '60's: If you got a $10 dollar head, wear a $10 helmet. Good luck. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:27 PM Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit > Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What to > look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. > > > > Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. > > > > Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days to > learn the car. > > > > Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a lot > to > learn!! > > > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > 62 TR4 > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From bownes at seiri.com Tue Jun 19 14:35:33 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:35:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit In-Reply-To: <30E9B3C7835E49CEA484CC3CC8ADF7E0@owner8914bbf7f> References: <006601cd4e51$810ca720$8325f560$@net> <30E9B3C7835E49CEA484CC3CC8ADF7E0@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: The most important thing is to get one that is big enough and won't shrink over the winter. ;) On Jun 19, 2012, at 16:28, "william r tobin" wrote: > Hi Mike, welcome to the club. > Lots of good suits out there. Get one that's SFI certified, 3-2A/5, or whatever the current standard is. > Most vintage organizations want 3 laters of Nomex; 2 layer suit and underwear, or 3 layer suit. > I was always told that if you're smart, you'll wear a 3 layer suit with underwear; the extra layer will give you 15-20 seconds more in a fire. > If you have facial hair, a balaclave is required. (I'd wear one even if I didn't have facial hair). > Simpson High top shoes are good, a little more support for ankles. > Simpson Posi Grip gloves wear well. > A good helmet and a HANS are a good idea. Remember the old Bell ads from the '60's: If you got a $10 dollar head, wear a $10 helmet. > Good luck. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:27 PM > Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit > > >> Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What to >> look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. >> >> >> >> Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. >> >> >> >> Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days to >> learn the car. >> >> >> >> Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a lot to >> learn!! >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Mike >> >> 62 TR4 >> >> >> >> Michael T. Moore, CPA >> >> 2007 West 32nd Street >> >> Erie, PA 16508 >> >> >> >> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >> >> Fax: 814-864-7383 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Jun 19 15:03:09 2012 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics Message-ID: <1340139789.68947.YahooMailRC@web180711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I also plan on being at the Portland Historics with my 66 TR-4A. Dark Blue with number 484. The current engine is pretty much stock (a new one is being built to replace one that blew) so I won't be competitive but Portland is fun. Look forward to seeing Jim and Charly and any other TRs there. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing From SpiwakD at aol.com Tue Jun 19 15:15:55 2012 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit Message-ID: I hear that a Nomex thong is popular with California drivers In a message dated 6/19/2012 4:37:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bownes at seiri.com writes: The most important thing is to get one that is big enough and won't shrink over the winter. ;) On Jun 19, 2012, at 16:28, "william r tobin" wrote: > Hi Mike, welcome to the club. > Lots of good suits out there. Get one that's SFI certified, 3-2A/5, or whatever the current standard is. > Most vintage organizations want 3 laters of Nomex; 2 layer suit and underwear, or 3 layer suit. > I was always told that if you're smart, you'll wear a 3 layer suit with underwear; the extra layer will give you 15-20 seconds more in a fire. > If you have facial hair, a balaclave is required. (I'd wear one even if I didn't have facial hair). > Simpson High top shoes are good, a little more support for ankles. > Simpson Posi Grip gloves wear well. > A good helmet and a HANS are a good idea. Remember the old Bell ads from the '60's: If you got a $10 dollar head, wear a $10 helmet. > Good luck. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:27 PM > Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit > > >> Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What to >> look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. >> >> >> >> Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. >> >> >> >> Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days to >> learn the car. >> >> >> >> Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a lot to >> learn!! >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Mike >> >> 62 TR4 >> >> >> >> Michael T. Moore, CPA >> >> 2007 West 32nd Street >> >> Erie, PA 16508 >> >> >> >> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >> >> Fax: 814-864-7383 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spiwakd at aol.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Jun 19 16:14:31 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:14:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit References: Message-ID: THAT'S disgusting!!! I agree about the size thing though. My suit shrunk last winter too. Got a really nice Sparco Top 5 on e-bay for a reasonable price. Same thing happened a few years ago with a nice Quintana Roo triathlon wetsuit; blasted thing shrunk over the winter. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Drivers suit >I hear that a Nomex thong is popular with California drivers > > > In a message dated 6/19/2012 4:37:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > bownes at seiri.com writes: > > The most important thing is to get one that is big enough and won't > shrink > over the winter. ;) > > > > On Jun 19, 2012, at 16:28, "william r tobin" > > wrote: > >> Hi Mike, welcome to the club. >> Lots of good suits out there. Get one that's SFI certified, 3-2A/5, or > whatever the current standard is. >> Most vintage organizations want 3 laters of Nomex; 2 layer suit and > underwear, or 3 layer suit. >> I was always told that if you're smart, you'll wear a 3 layer suit with > underwear; the extra layer will give you 15-20 seconds more in a fire. >> If you have facial hair, a balaclave is required. (I'd wear one even if >> I > didn't have facial hair). >> Simpson High top shoes are good, a little more support for ankles. >> Simpson Posi Grip gloves wear well. >> A good helmet and a HANS are a good idea. Remember the old Bell ads from > the > '60's: If you got a $10 dollar head, wear a $10 helmet. >> Good luck. >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:27 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit >> >> >>> Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What > to >>> look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. >>> >>> >>> >>> Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days >>> to >>> learn the car. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a > lot > to >>> learn!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> 62 TR4 >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>> >>> 2007 West 32nd Street >>> >>> Erie, PA 16508 >>> >>> >>> >>> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >>> >>> Fax: 814-864-7383 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spiwakd at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jun 19 16:18:15 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:18:15 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: But it is okay with physics law that things shrink from winters cold. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: "william r tobin" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:14:31 To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Drivers suit THAT'S disgusting!!! I agree about the size thing though. My suit shrunk last winter too. Got a really nice Sparco Top 5 on e-bay for a reasonable price. Same thing happened a few years ago with a nice Quintana Roo triathlon wetsuit; blasted thing shrunk over the winter. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Drivers suit >I hear that a Nomex thong is popular with California drivers > > > In a message dated 6/19/2012 4:37:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > bownes at seiri.com writes: > > The most important thing is to get one that is big enough and won't > shrink > over the winter. ;) > > > > On Jun 19, 2012, at 16:28, "william r tobin" > > wrote: > >> Hi Mike, welcome to the club. >> Lots of good suits out there. Get one that's SFI certified, 3-2A/5, or > whatever the current standard is. >> Most vintage organizations want 3 laters of Nomex; 2 layer suit and > underwear, or 3 layer suit. >> I was always told that if you're smart, you'll wear a 3 layer suit with > underwear; the extra layer will give you 15-20 seconds more in a fire. >> If you have facial hair, a balaclave is required. (I'd wear one even if >> I > didn't have facial hair). >> Simpson High top shoes are good, a little more support for ankles. >> Simpson Posi Grip gloves wear well. >> A good helmet and a HANS are a good idea. Remember the old Bell ads from > the > '60's: If you got a $10 dollar head, wear a $10 helmet. >> Good luck. >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:27 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit >> >> >>> Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What > to >>> look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. >>> >>> >>> >>> Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days >>> to >>> learn the car. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a > lot > to >>> learn!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> 62 TR4 >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>> >>> 2007 West 32nd Street >>> >>> Erie, PA 16508 >>> >>> >>> >>> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >>> >>> Fax: 814-864-7383 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spiwakd at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From kkjjk at aol.com Tue Jun 19 16:39:09 2012 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF1C8379BBE5D0-1340-1C345@webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com> Shrinkage in a thing is embarrassing... -----Original Message----- From: william r tobin To: SpiwakD ; bownes Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 6:14 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Drivers suit THAT'S disgusting!!! I agree about the size thing though. My suit shrunk last winter too. Got a really nice Sparco Top 5 on e-bay for a reasonable price. Same thing happened a few years ago with a nice Quintana Roo triathlon wetsuit; blasted thing shrunk over the winter. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Drivers suit >I hear that a Nomex thong is popular with California drivers > > > In a message dated 6/19/2012 4:37:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > bownes at seiri.com writes: > > The most important thing is to get one that is big enough and won't > shrink > over the winter. ;) > > > > On Jun 19, 2012, at 16:28, "william r tobin" > > wrote: > >> Hi Mike, welcome to the club. >> Lots of good suits out there. Get one that's SFI certified, 3-2A/5, or > whatever the current standard is. >> Most vintage organizations want 3 laters of Nomex; 2 layer suit and > underwear, or 3 layer suit. >> I was always told that if you're smart, you'll wear a 3 layer suit with > underwear; the extra layer will give you 15-20 seconds more in a fire. >> If you have facial hair, a balaclave is required. (I'd wear one even if >> I > didn't have facial hair). >> Simpson High top shoes are good, a little more support for ankles. >> Simpson Posi Grip gloves wear well. >> A good helmet and a HANS are a good idea. Remember the old Bell ads from > the > '60's: If you got a $10 dollar head, wear a $10 helmet. >> Good luck. >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:27 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit >> >> >>> Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What > to >>> look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. >>> >>> >>> >>> Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days >>> to >>> learn the car. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a > lot > to >>> learn!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> 62 TR4 >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>> >>> 2007 West 32nd Street >>> >>> Erie, PA 16508 >>> >>> >>> >>> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >>> >>> Fax: 814-864-7383 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spiwakd at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Jun 19 16:42:58 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:42:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wiseco soft nylon hone brush Message-ID: <000001cd4e6c$e1007330$a3015990$@com> In our TR4 engine we have Wiseco forged pistons. I saw on their web site that they had a soft nylon hone brush available and as I needed a hone, I purchased one of their hone brushes to break the glaze on the sleeves prior to installing new rings. You can take a look at the brush at www.wiseco.com by clicking on "accessories" in the "automotive" section on the left hand side of the home page. I wanted something "safe" so as not to remove any metal from the sleeves and make them tapered or oblong or both. Has anyone used one of these hone brushes? I'm having a hard time "breaking the glaze" with it. I've called Wiseco a couple of times regarding lubricant/cutting fluid and speed to run it at and have followed their instructions. So far I've tried straight mineral spirits (the Wiseco recommendation), a 50/50 mix of mineral spirits and ATF and carb cleaner that an engine builder in town recommended. I'm making progress but it would seem that this shouldn't be a career!! So, if anybody has some experience with these hone brushes I'd appreciate any suggestions. We do seem to have quite a bit of hard black glaze on the sleeves. I'm beginning to think that maybe the brush should be run dry, no lubricant. Thanks for any suggestions, Tim Murphy From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jun 19 16:46:16 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:46:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wiseco soft nylon hone brush In-Reply-To: <000001cd4e6c$e1007330$a3015990$@com> Message-ID: Try Comet powdered cleanser with water. Jim g. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 4:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Wiseco soft nylon hone brush In our TR4 engine we have Wiseco forged pistons. I saw on their web site that they had a soft nylon hone brush available and as I needed a hone, I purchased one of their hone brushes to break the glaze on the sleeves prior to installing new rings. You can take a look at the brush at www.wiseco.com by clicking on "accessories" in the "automotive" section on the left hand side of the home page. I wanted something "safe" so as not to remove any metal from the sleeves and make them tapered or oblong or both. Has anyone used one of these hone brushes? I'm having a hard time "breaking the glaze" with it. I've called Wiseco a couple of times regarding lubricant/cutting fluid and speed to run it at and have followed their instructions. So far I've tried straight mineral spirits (the Wiseco recommendation), a 50/50 mix of mineral spirits and ATF and carb cleaner that an engine builder in town recommended. I'm making progress but it would seem that this shouldn't be a career!! So, if anybody has some experience with these hone brushes I'd appreciate any suggestions. We do seem to have quite a bit of hard black glaze on the sleeves. I'm beginning to think that maybe the brush should be run dry, no lubricant. Thanks for any suggestions, Tim Murphy _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jun 19 19:08:17 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:08:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit In-Reply-To: <006601cd4e51$810ca720$8325f560$@net> References: <006601cd4e51$810ca720$8325f560$@net> Message-ID: <4FE12281.1060202@bradakis.com> First you get some cotton overalls and a tin of borax ... wait, I think I have some newer notes. mjb. From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Jun 19 19:24:22 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:24:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don't let him kid you Mike, we all wear them, its just that those of us not on the west coast wear them UNDER our drivers suits :) Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: SpiwakD at aol.com > Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:15:55 -0400 > To: bownes at seiri.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Drivers suit > > I hear that a Nomex thong is popular with California drivers > > > In a message dated 6/19/2012 4:37:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > bownes at seiri.com writes: > > The most important thing is to get one that is big enough and won't shrink > over the winter. ;) > > > > On Jun 19, 2012, at 16:28, "william r tobin" > wrote: > > > Hi Mike, welcome to the club. > > Lots of good suits out there. Get one that's SFI certified, 3-2A/5, or > whatever the current standard is. > > Most vintage organizations want 3 laters of Nomex; 2 layer suit and > underwear, or 3 layer suit. > > I was always told that if you're smart, you'll wear a 3 layer suit with > underwear; the extra layer will give you 15-20 seconds more in a fire. > > If you have facial hair, a balaclave is required. (I'd wear one even if I > didn't have facial hair). > > Simpson High top shoes are good, a little more support for ankles. > > Simpson Posi Grip gloves wear well. > > A good helmet and a HANS are a good idea. Remember the old Bell ads from > the > '60's: If you got a $10 dollar head, wear a $10 helmet. > > Good luck. > > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:27 PM > > Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit > > > > > >> Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What > to > >> look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. > >> > >> > >> > >> Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. > >> > >> > >> > >> Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days to > >> learn the car. > >> > >> > >> > >> Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a > lot > to > >> learn!! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> 62 TR4 > >> > >> > >> > >> Michael T. Moore, CPA > >> > >> 2007 West 32nd Street > >> > >> Erie, PA 16508 > >> > >> > >> > >> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > >> > >> Fax: 814-864-7383 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spiwakd at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From mmoore at wave1.net Wed Jun 20 05:21:35 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:21:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit Message-ID: <002801cd4ed6$dabade60$90309b20$@net> Thanks for all the advice. Good thing I joined the FOT or I would never have known about the Nomex g-string!! At least I am on East coast and can wear it under my suit! Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jun 20 11:27:21 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... Message-ID: <95b9.48e6d721.3d1361f9@aol.com> Amici... There was a new (to me) TR3A racer at the Blackhawk Vintage Classic, reported to be a 'Team Effort', with an owner, Guy Moter, and two investor/Drivers. Not sure how or why, but they put it into the tire wall coming out of Turn SEVEN in the feature race on Sunday afternoon. The car had been running well, but I suspect a failed asphalt patch right on the line in Turn SEVEN probably did him in. If you got off line high and into the marbles things did not go well thereafter. He also was experiencing an overheating problem, was using a 7# radiator cap, and may have slid in his own slop. Anyway they are located in the Milwaukee area, and are looking for a right rear fender. Any ideas? Anyone have a contact number for Chris Mills in the Fox River Valley, Wisconsin? He might be a source. Guy Moter's telephone number is 262/573-4511 and his email address is vintageautoservice at yahoo.com. Bill Dentinger From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jun 20 11:36:10 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... Message-ID: <9aac.4cc41a93.3d13640a@aol.com> Amici... I forgot to mention, apparently this team ran the VSCDA School at Gingerman, and the May event at Road America as well. Guy Moter may already be an FOT member. If he is not, he should be and I would like to nominate him for membership if the Friends of Triumph (FOT). His email address is: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Bill Dentinger From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Wed Jun 20 11:46:14 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:46:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... In-Reply-To: <9aac.4cc41a93.3d13640a@aol.com> References: <9aac.4cc41a93.3d13640a@aol.com> Message-ID: <001101cd4f0c$989a8e00$c9cfaa00$@rr.com> Anyone with stones enough to race a TR3 is okay. I'll second! Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... Amici... I forgot to mention, apparently this team ran the VSCDA School at Gingerman, and the May event at Road America as well. Guy Moter may already be an FOT member. If he is not, he should be and I would like to nominate him for membership if the Friends of Triumph (FOT). His email address is: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jun 20 12:15:47 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:15:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... In-Reply-To: <001101cd4f0c$989a8e00$c9cfaa00$@rr.com> References: <9aac.4cc41a93.3d13640a@aol.com> <001101cd4f0c$989a8e00$c9cfaa00$@rr.com> Message-ID: I've been meaning to get over to talk with those guys for a couple events now. They also did the Midwestern Council drivers school. So they get a second from me! Hope they choose to continue to race with MCSCC in addition to the vintage racing organizations. Welcome to the group...Orange TR3A. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ #27 yellow On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Spitfire Racing < Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com> wrote: > Anyone with stones enough to race a TR3 is okay. I'll second! > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:36 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... > > Amici... > > I forgot to mention, apparently this team ran the VSCDA School at > Gingerman, > and the May event at Road America as well. Guy Moter may already be an FOT > member. If he is not, he should be and I would like to nominate him for > membership if the Friends of Triumph (FOT). > > His email address is: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From peter at nosimport.com Wed Jun 20 12:28:39 2012 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:28:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... In-Reply-To: <95b9.48e6d721.3d1361f9@aol.com> References: <95b9.48e6d721.3d1361f9@aol.com> Message-ID: <20120620182849.AAC0BF44066@mx2.netinteraction.com> Chris Mills' phone is (920) 660-0281 rarely answers, and doesn't always return phone calls. BY FAR the best way to reach him is through his parts man at edwardcoyle at gmail.com I'm sure he has some. Located near Green Bay (Seymour, home of the hamburger) Peter C ======= At 12:27 PM 6/20/2012, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >Amici... > >Anyway they are located in the Milwaukee area, and are looking for a right >rear fender. Any ideas? Anyone have a contact number for Chris Mills in >the Fox River Valley, Wisconsin? He might be a source. > >Guy Moter's telephone number is 262/573-4511 and his email address is >vintageautoservice at yahoo.com. > >Bill Dentinger >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/peter at nosimport.com > > > > >----- >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5081 - Release Date: 06/20/12 From wensley_tr at comcast.net Wed Jun 20 13:36:28 2012 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:36:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit In-Reply-To: <4FE12281.1060202@bradakis.com> References: <006601cd4e51$810ca720$8325f560$@net> <4FE12281.1060202@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <003a01cd4f1b$fcf86160$f6e92420$@net> Cotton overalls!! no no go to Sunny Surplus an buy yourself a Flight suit (bright orange) then soke it in borax. Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 9:08 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Drivers suit First you get some cotton overalls and a tin of borax ... wait, I think I have some newer notes. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From awashatko at wi.rr.com Wed Jun 20 16:52:47 2012 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:52:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... In-Reply-To: <95b9.48e6d721.3d1361f9@aol.com> References: <95b9.48e6d721.3d1361f9@aol.com> Message-ID: <9F1025F0-C9FE-4010-8D7B-6C1F4BD2E23A@wi.rr.com> Guy Moter hails from the Cedarburg, WI. area - new to the VSCDA scene. They have run Gratten and RA (a reported 3:04 lap time) this season. Guy has a history of american auto restoration work. We should nominate him to the group. Allen On Jun 20, 2012, at 12:27 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > There was a new (to me) TR3A racer at the Blackhawk Vintage Classic, > reported to be a 'Team Effort', with an owner, Guy Moter, and two > investor/Drivers. Not sure how or why, but they put it into the > tire wall coming out of > Turn SEVEN in the feature race on Sunday afternoon. The car had > been running > well, but I suspect a failed asphalt patch right on the line in Turn > SEVEN > probably did him in. If you got off line high and into the marbles > things did > not go well thereafter. He also was experiencing an overheating > problem, > was using a 7# radiator cap, and may have slid in his own slop. > > Anyway they are located in the Milwaukee area, and are looking for a > right > rear fender. Any ideas? Anyone have a contact number for Chris > Mills in > the Fox River Valley, Wisconsin? He might be a source. > > Guy Moter's telephone number is 262/573-4511 and his email address is > vintageautoservice at yahoo.com. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jun 20 17:11:28 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:11:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... In-Reply-To: <001101cd4f0c$989a8e00$c9cfaa00$@rr.com> References: <9aac.4cc41a93.3d13640a@aol.com> <001101cd4f0c$989a8e00$c9cfaa00$@rr.com> Message-ID: <7949CD54-0756-47A1-93CD-F89F33D491DF@gdhs.com> Hey, all a 3 needs is a heavy foot ( left or right depending on which side of the pond you're on) just ask Chris about Van Mulder's......... Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Spitfire Racing" wrote: > Anyone with stones enough to race a TR3 is okay. I'll second! > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:36 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... > > Amici... > > I forgot to mention, apparently this team ran the VSCDA School at Gingerman, > and the May event at Road America as well. Guy Moter may already be an FOT > member. If he is not, he should be and I would like to nominate him for > membership if the Friends of Triumph (FOT). > > His email address is: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jun 20 17:38:15 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:38:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... In-Reply-To: <7949CD54-0756-47A1-93CD-F89F33D491DF@gdhs.com> References: <9aac.4cc41a93.3d13640a@aol.com> <001101cd4f0c$989a8e00$c9cfaa00$@rr.com> <7949CD54-0756-47A1-93CD-F89F33D491DF@gdhs.com> Message-ID: I'm afraid a heavy left foot won't do any good on either side of the pond...John. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Hey, all a 3 needs is a heavy foot ( left or right depending on which side > of > the pond you're on) just ask Chris about Van Mulder's......... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 20, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Spitfire Racing" < > Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com> > wrote: > > > Anyone with stones enough to race a TR3 is okay. I'll second! > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:36 PM > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Cc: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... > > > > Amici... > > > > I forgot to mention, apparently this team ran the VSCDA School at > Gingerman, > > and the May event at Road America as well. Guy Moter may already be an > FOT > > member. If he is not, he should be and I would like to nominate him for > > membership if the Friends of Triumph (FOT). > > > > His email address is: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > > > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From cwnfot at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 18:57:30 2012 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:57:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson Message-ID: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> Id like to nominate Bud Rolofson for this FOT group. Bud has an immaculate and well prepared street TR6 that is also at the level of top-notch solo/slalom competition. Bud and I team up at the annual VTR conventions for the 2-person driving events, Fun Rally, TSD Rally, Funkhana and are known to do well at that. Bud even drives the TR6 to the VTR events from the Denver CO area. No trailer involved! He took home the "daily driver" award at VTR one year! Now he is contemplating his parts supply which includes a TR4A wreck. In his words: --- Not sure I'm doing a race car but its still in the thought process as I sort out my TR4A wreck. I've got a good guy here in Denver named Jim Gray who does vintage racing for support so I'm leaning towards at least a race car that can become a street car if the next owner desires that. But I'd love to listen in on the FOT list so if that's OK sign me up. I met Kevin Lynch through Irv Korey but I haven't seen him race yet. Saw his car when I dropped a VGR logo by Kevin's house at Irv's request. Bud 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net ---- I guess Bud has 2 sponsors mentioned and I can think of a few more here that know him!! Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jun 20 19:06:37 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson In-Reply-To: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> References: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> Message-ID: <8CF1D613DD1F681-11D4-5117@webmail-m030.sysops.aol.com> i thought he was already on. we spent some time together in february. maybe i forgot to do something Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Clark W. Nicholls To: fot Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 7:58 pm Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson Id like to nominate Bud Rolofson for this FOT group. Bud has an immaculate and well prepared street TR6 that is also at the level of top-notch solo/slalom competition. Bud and I team up at the annual VTR conventions for the 2-person driving events, Fun Rally, TSD Rally, Funkhana and are known to do well at that. Bud even drives the TR6 to the VTR events from the Denver CO area. No trailer involved! He took home the "daily driver" award at VTR one year! Now he is contemplating his parts supply which includes a TR4A wreck. In his words: --- Not sure I'm doing a race car but its still in the thought process as I sort out my TR4A wreck. I've got a good guy here in Denver named Jim Gray who does vintage racing for support so I'm leaning towards at least a race car that can become a street car if the next owner desires that. But I'd love to listen in on the FOT list so if that's OK sign me up. I met Kevin Lynch through Irv Korey but I haven't seen him race yet. Saw his car when I dropped a VGR logo by Kevin's house at Irv's request. Bud 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net ---- I guess Bud has 2 sponsors mentioned and I can think of a few more here that know him!! Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 20 19:11:53 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:11:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson In-Reply-To: <8CF1D613DD1F681-11D4-5117@webmail-m030.sysops.aol.com> References: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> <8CF1D613DD1F681-11D4-5117@webmail-m030.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Is that a second? On Jun 20, 2012, at 8:06 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > i thought he was already on. > > we spent some time together in february. > > maybe i forgot to do something > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clark W. Nicholls > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 7:58 pm > Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson > > > Id like to nominate Bud Rolofson for this FOT group. > Bud has an immaculate and well prepared street TR6 that is also at the level > of top-notch solo/slalom competition. Bud and I team up at the annual VTR > conventions for the 2-person driving events, Fun Rally, TSD Rally, Funkhana > and are known to do well at that. > Bud even drives the TR6 to the VTR events from the Denver CO area. No > trailer involved! He took home the "daily driver" award at VTR one year! > > Now he is contemplating his parts supply which includes a TR4A wreck. In his > words: > --- > Not sure I'm doing a race car but its still in the thought process as I > sort out my TR4A wreck. I've got a good guy here in Denver named Jim Gray > who does vintage racing for support so I'm leaning towards at least a race > car that can become a street car if the next owner desires that. > > But I'd love to listen in on the FOT list so if that's OK sign me up. > > I met Kevin Lynch through Irv Korey but I haven't seen him race yet. Saw > his car when I dropped a VGR logo by Kevin's house at Irv's request. > > Bud > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > ---- > I guess Bud has 2 sponsors mentioned and I can think of a few more here > that know him!! > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jun 20 19:28:17 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson In-Reply-To: References: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> <8CF1D613DD1F681-11D4-5117@webmail-m030.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF1D644490140F-11D4-5284@webmail-m030.sysops.aol.com> yes! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Delap To: Joe Alexander Cc: cwnfot ; fot Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 8:11 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson Is that a second? On Jun 20, 2012, at 8:06 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > i thought he was already on. > > we spent some time together in february. > > maybe i forgot to do something > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clark W. Nicholls > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 7:58 pm > Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson > > > Id like to nominate Bud Rolofson for this FOT group. > Bud has an immaculate and well prepared street TR6 that is also at the level > of top-notch solo/slalom competition. Bud and I team up at the annual VTR > conventions for the 2-person driving events, Fun Rally, TSD Rally, Funkhana > and are known to do well at that. > Bud even drives the TR6 to the VTR events from the Denver CO area. No > trailer involved! He took home the "daily driver" award at VTR one year! > > Now he is contemplating his parts supply which includes a TR4A wreck. In his > words: > --- > Not sure I'm doing a race car but its still in the thought process as I > sort out my TR4A wreck. I've got a good guy here in Denver named Jim Gray > who does vintage racing for support so I'm leaning towards at least a race > car that can become a street car if the next owner desires that. > > But I'd love to listen in on the FOT list so if that's OK sign me up. > > I met Kevin Lynch through Irv Korey but I haven't seen him race yet. Saw > his car when I dropped a VGR logo by Kevin's house at Irv's request. > > Bud > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > ---- > I guess Bud has 2 sponsors mentioned and I can think of a few more here > that know him!! > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jun 20 19:29:58 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:29:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... In-Reply-To: References: <9aac.4cc41a93.3d13640a@aol.com> <001101cd4f0c$989a8e00$c9cfaa00$@rr.com> <7949CD54-0756-47A1-93CD-F89F33D491DF@gdhs.com> Message-ID: Shucks. That must be why you were in front of me @ RA Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > I'm afraid a heavy left foot won't do any good on either side of the pond...John. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Hey, all a 3 needs is a heavy foot ( left or right depending on which side of > the pond you're on) just ask Chris about Van Mulder's......... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 20, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Spitfire Racing" > wrote: > > > Anyone with stones enough to race a TR3 is okay. I'll second! > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:36 PM > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Cc: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... > > > > Amici... > > > > I forgot to mention, apparently this team ran the VSCDA School at > Gingerman, > > and the May event at Road America as well. Guy Moter may already be an FOT > > member. If he is not, he should be and I would like to nominate him for > > membership if the Friends of Triumph (FOT). > > > > His email address is: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > > > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Jun 20 20:03:24 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:03:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson In-Reply-To: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> References: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> Message-ID: Second, third, whatever it takes. Bud's a Triumph motor head for sure and a great guy on top of that. Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: cwnfot at gmail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:57:30 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson > > Id like to nominate Bud Rolofson for this FOT group. > Bud has an immaculate and well prepared street TR6 that is also at the level > of top-notch solo/slalom competition. Bud and I team up at the annual VTR > conventions for the 2-person driving events, Fun Rally, TSD Rally, Funkhana > and are known to do well at that. > Bud even drives the TR6 to the VTR events from the Denver CO area. No > trailer involved! He took home the "daily driver" award at VTR one year! > > Now he is contemplating his parts supply which includes a TR4A wreck. In his > words: > --- > Not sure I'm doing a race car but its still in the thought process as I > sort out my TR4A wreck. I've got a good guy here in Denver named Jim Gray > who does vintage racing for support so I'm leaning towards at least a race > car that can become a street car if the next owner desires that. > > But I'd love to listen in on the FOT list so if that's OK sign me up. > > I met Kevin Lynch through Irv Korey but I haven't seen him race yet. Saw > his car when I dropped a VGR logo by Kevin's house at Irv's request. > > Bud > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > ---- > I guess Bud has 2 sponsors mentioned and I can think of a few more here > that know him!! > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From rjl at gt-classics.com Wed Jun 20 21:09:25 2012 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 23:09:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson In-Reply-To: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> References: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> Message-ID: <4FE29065.8050109@gt-classics.com> I'll second that - Bud's one of the good guys. John On 6/20/2012 8:57 PM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > Id like to nominate Bud Rolofson for this FOT group. > Bud has an immaculate and well prepared street TR6 that is also at the level > of top-notch solo/slalom competition. Bud and I team up at the annual VTR > conventions for the 2-person driving events, Fun Rally, TSD Rally, Funkhana > and are known to do well at that. > Bud even drives the TR6 to the VTR events from the Denver CO area. No > trailer involved! He took home the "daily driver" award at VTR one year! > > Now he is contemplating his parts supply which includes a TR4A wreck. In his > words: > --- > Not sure I'm doing a race car but its still in the thought process as I > sort out my TR4A wreck. I've got a good guy here in Denver named Jim Gray > who does vintage racing for support so I'm leaning towards at least a race > car that can become a street car if the next owner desires that. > > But I'd love to listen in on the FOT list so if that's OK sign me up. > > I met Kevin Lynch through Irv Korey but I haven't seen him race yet. Saw > his car when I dropped a VGR logo by Kevin's house at Irv's request. > > Bud > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > ---- > I guess Bud has 2 sponsors mentioned and I can think of a few more here > that know him!! > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com > > > > > -- Thanks, R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From triumphs at consolidated.net Wed Jun 20 21:19:58 2012 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:19:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson In-Reply-To: <4FE29065.8050109@gt-classics.com> References: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> <4FE29065.8050109@gt-classics.com> Message-ID: <764C409E-634A-4843-9112-1229CBCF9F24@consolidated.net> Count me in on this second. Bud is a great guy. Gano Sent from my iPad On Jun 20, 2012, at 10:09 PM, "R. John Lye" wrote: > I'll second that - Bud's one of the good guys. > > John > > On 6/20/2012 8:57 PM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >> Id like to nominate Bud Rolofson for this FOT group. >> Bud has an immaculate and well prepared street TR6 that is also at the level >> of top-notch solo/slalom competition. Bud and I team up at the annual VTR >> conventions for the 2-person driving events, Fun Rally, TSD Rally, Funkhana >> and are known to do well at that. >> Bud even drives the TR6 to the VTR events from the Denver CO area. No >> trailer involved! He took home the "daily driver" award at VTR one year! >> >> Now he is contemplating his parts supply which includes a TR4A wreck. In his >> words: >> --- >> Not sure I'm doing a race car but its still in the thought process as I >> sort out my TR4A wreck. I've got a good guy here in Denver named Jim Gray >> who does vintage racing for support so I'm leaning towards at least a race >> car that can become a street car if the next owner desires that. >> >> But I'd love to listen in on the FOT list so if that's OK sign me up. >> >> I met Kevin Lynch through Irv Korey but I haven't seen him race yet. Saw >> his car when I dropped a VGR logo by Kevin's house at Irv's request. >> >> Bud >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> levilevi at comcast.net >> ---- >> I guess Bud has 2 sponsors mentioned and I can think of a few more here >> that know him!! >> >> Clark >> Clark W. Nicholls >> 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) >> and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner >> "Reality, it's not what you think." >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Thanks, > R. John Lye > > rjl6n at cstone.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Jun 20 21:33:15 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:33:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list Message-ID: <0D497438-38A5-40D1-94AF-9AD91C9A2E96@comcast.net> Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things about this list and I'm honored to be included. I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look forward to learning how the racers do it. Regards Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net From LimeyV8 at aol.com Thu Jun 21 06:59:36 2012 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (Jack Mc) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:59:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list In-Reply-To: <0D497438-38A5-40D1-94AF-9AD91C9A2E96@comcast.net> References: <0D497438-38A5-40D1-94AF-9AD91C9A2E96@comcast.net> Message-ID: <64504D16-7044-4445-9340-6663C2BAEAB3@aol.com> Welcome aboard Bud! Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things about this list and I'm honored to be included. > > I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look forward to learning how the racers do it. > > Regards > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 21 07:08:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TAIL OF THE DRAGON AND OTHER TRIUMPHS Message-ID: <8CF1DC6247AB1DB-1678-9A7@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> We just finished the day at the 'Dragon' and sat down for dinner in Robbinsville, NC....I looked to the side and caught sight of Classic Motorsport's Gary Hunter. It seems that Gary is here to surprise JK Jackson, who is running his TR6 in the SCCA Sanctioned Hill Climb on the Dragon. We agreed to meet Friday night when the competitors display their cars on Main Street in Robbinsville. Great unplanned event on our trip. Not far away, north of Ashville, NC, there is a TRA Convention and we wonder if Bob and Jean Johns are anywhere nearby. And we hope to hook up with Richard Taylor near Stone Mountain by Saturday. Brad and Susan have job commitments or certainly they would be joining us. The FOT is everywhere....what a great network. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From spitfiresuz at 141.com Thu Jun 21 07:25:02 2012 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list Message-ID: <380-22012642113252190@M2W116.mail2web.com> Hula Boy!!! :D Welcome, Bud! I could have sworn you were on here--glad you are now!!! You're a great fit with the group. Ever gonna put that supercharger on your car??? Susan :) On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things about this list and I'm honored to be included. > > I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look forward to learning how the racers do it. > > Regards > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jun 21 07:29:55 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:29:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list In-Reply-To: <380-22012642113252190@M2W116.mail2web.com> References: <380-22012642113252190@M2W116.mail2web.com> Message-ID: Hula Boy ???? Oh please tell us more :) Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: spitfiresuz at 141.com > To: levilevi at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:02 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list > > Hula Boy!!! :D > > Welcome, Bud! I could have sworn you were on here--glad you are now!!! > You're a great fit with the group. Ever gonna put that supercharger on your > car??? > > Susan :) > > > On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > > > Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things > about > this list and I'm honored to be included. > > > > I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look > forward to learning how the racers do it. > > > > Regards > > Bud Rolofson > > > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > levilevi at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From spitfiresuz at 141.com Thu Jun 21 07:39:52 2012 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:39:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list Message-ID: <380-220126421133952476@M2W134.mail2web.com> Those of you who have been to VTR Nationals will know to what I am referring... ;) Original Message: ----------------- From: marty sukey trmarty at hotmail.com Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:29:55 -0400 To: spitfiresuz at 141.com, levilevi at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] New to the FOT list Hula Boy ???? Oh please tell us more :) Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: spitfiresuz at 141.com > To: levilevi at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:02 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list > > Hula Boy!!! :D > > Welcome, Bud! I could have sworn you were on here--glad you are now!!! > You're a great fit with the group. Ever gonna put that supercharger on your > car??? > > Susan :) > > > On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > > > Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things > about > this list and I'm honored to be included. > > > > I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look > forward to learning how the racers do it. > > > > Regards > > Bud Rolofson > > > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > levilevi at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft. Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jun 21 08:13:11 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... Message-ID: <4665.385dec5e.3d1485f7@aol.com> In a message dated 06/20/2012 5:52:48 PM Central Daylight Time, awashatko at wi.rr.com writes: > Guy Moter hails from the Cedarburg, WI. area - new to the VSCDA scene. > They have run Gratten and RA (a reported 3:04 lap time) this season. Guy has > a history of american auto restoration work. We should nominate him to the > group. Done, and seconded. Incidentally, I missed an 'r' in Guy's name. It is actually, Guy Morter. Bill Dentinger From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 21 08:42:20 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 @ Road America VSCDA'S Vintage Festival Message-ID: <8CF1DD332A3429E-1678-11A0@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> Discussed with VSCDA's John Houlton at Black Hawk Farms: Designated FOT PADDOCK AREA in prime real estate. Hospitality Tent A Triumph Only Practice Group for one session. Grid Girls and pre-race interviews with drivers. Some features of the Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival: Race Car Tour into town to the pleasure of fans and townspeople. Old Race Course re-enactment. Con Cours on the Green at the Oosthoff. Some of the folks involved: Kas Kastner, Grand Marshall John Houlton, VSCDA Board Member and is coordinating the FOT/VSCDA event. Mike and Deb Korneli, VSCDA Chairpersons of the event. George Bruggenthies, President of Road America and VSCDA member. Jack Woerhle, Technical Director The ELVF is one of North America's most popular events and attracts vintage racers from coast to to coast. It is also an event that does not have the cost and crush of what has been known as "FESTIVAL EVENTS". September weather usually promises moderate days and cool nights. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From riverside at southslope.net Thu Jun 21 09:14:46 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:14:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Message-ID: The welcoming into our fold of another TR3 racer has caused me to confront a long neglected duty: To find my old race car. When I last saw my TR3 it was in all black with red interior at a drivers school at Blackhawk Farms in b 74 or b75 I think. The car changed hands a few times and the last I heard, it was in the Fond u lac area of Wisconsin. It had two rather unique features. The roll bar was actually two tubes, both behind the driver, rather tall for the era, and welded together. The blegsb splayed out at the bottom fore and aft before being welded to plates on the frame. There were also the usual fore and aft and lateral additional tubes. The front shroud was split so that the top half could be easily removed without dealing with the lower half, thus easing certain service chores. Does anyone remember this car or have any idea where I could pick up a lead on its fate? My old friend who did so much to help me build it has been urging me to try to find and reacquire it for some time and now is the time. Thanks everyone for the help. From rikrock at live.com Thu Jun 21 09:17:43 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:17:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TAIL OF THE DRAGON AND OTHER TRIUMPHS Message-ID: Speaking of hillclimbs, a handful of FOT members will be in Reading, PA for the SCCA/PHA-sanctioned Pagoda Hillclimb this weekend. Check out the poster featuring Richard Good's TR6 at www.bmr-scca.org Rich Rock -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:08 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TAIL OF THE DRAGON AND OTHER TRIUMPHS We just finished the day at the 'Dragon' and sat down for dinner in Robbinsville, NC....I looked to the side and caught sight of Classic Motorsport's Gary Hunter. It seems that Gary is here to surprise JK Jackson, who is running his TR6 in the SCCA Sanctioned Hill Climb on the Dragon. We agreed to meet Friday night when the competitors display their cars on Main Street in Robbinsville. Great unplanned event on our trip. Not far away, north of Ashville, NC, there is a TRA Convention and we wonder if Bob and Jean Johns are anywhere nearby. And we hope to hook up with Richard Taylor near Stone Mountain by Saturday. Brad and Susan have job commitments or certainly they would be joining us. The FOT is everywhere....what a great network. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock at live.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Jun 21 10:09:50 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:09:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr Message-ID: <001801cd4fc8$4a1cfe40$de56fac0$@rogers.com> I would like to nominate Greg Kerr to the group. His email is gregsk at bell.net Greg just left my driveway towing his new TR7 Race car. He raced a Spitfire in the early 70s and is looking forward to getting back into the racing scene. He plans to go over the car this year and start racing next. Plans include a Sprint engine conversion. http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/TR7%20Race%20Car/P1030794.jpg Can I get a second? Thanks Paul MacDonald From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Jun 21 10:10:14 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:10:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list In-Reply-To: References: <380-22012642113252190@M2W116.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <4DCA7E7F-13CC-41DD-9AB3-1E9D67FB07E6@comcast.net> As Susan described my Hula Girl shirt has gotten a lot of mileage on it. I've worn it at most VTR banquets and most recently at a wedding in Hawaii appropriately enough. Seems like everyone wants to lift the grass skirt though. Lots of curious people. :) Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jun 21, 2012, at 7:29 AM, marty sukey wrote: > > Hula Boy ???? Oh please tell us more :) > > > > Marty > > ---------------------------------------- >> From: spitfiresuz at 141.com >> To: levilevi at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:02 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list >> >> Hula Boy!!! :D >> >> Welcome, Bud! I could have sworn you were on here--glad you are >> now!!! >> You're a great fit with the group. Ever gonna put that supercharger >> on your >> car??? >> >> Susan :) >> >> >> On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things >> about >> this list and I'm honored to be included. >>> >>> I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and >>> look >> forward to learning how the racers do it. >>> >>> Regards >>> Bud Rolofson >>> >>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >>> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >>> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >>> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >>> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >>> levilevi at comcast.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> mail2web - Check your email from the web at >> http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From riverside at southslope.net Thu Jun 21 10:28:13 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:28:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Message-ID: <1C01F36A1B9D4CF082B56EC27D2A139D@rileyPC> Oops, left off identifier Art De Armond From: riverside at southslope.net Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:14 AM To: FOT Subject: Search for my old TR3 racer The welcoming into our fold of another TR3 racer has caused me to confront a long neglected duty: To find my old race car. When I last saw my TR3 it was in all black with red interior at a drivers school at Blackhawk Farms in b 74 or b75 I think. The car changed hands a few times and the last I heard, it was in the Fond u lac area of Wisconsin. It had two rather unique features. The roll bar was actually two tubes, both behind the driver, rather tall for the era, and welded together. The blegsb splayed out at the bottom fore and aft before being welded to plates on the frame. There were also the usual fore and aft and lateral additional tubes. The front shroud was split so that the top half could be easily removed without dealing with the lower half, thus easing certain service chores. Does anyone remember this car or have any idea where I could pick up a lead on its fate? My old friend who did so much to help me build it has been urging me to try to find and reacquire it for some time and now is the time. Thanks everyone for the help. From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Jun 21 10:31:37 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:31:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list In-Reply-To: <4DCA7E7F-13CC-41DD-9AB3-1E9D67FB07E6@comcast.net> References: <380-22012642113252190@M2W116.mail2web.com> <4DCA7E7F-13CC-41DD-9AB3-1E9D67FB07E6@comcast.net> Message-ID: Probably looking to see if you are a east coast guy or a west coast guy has to do with how you wear your Nomex. On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > As Susan described my Hula Girl shirt has gotten a lot of mileage on it. > I've worn it at most VTR banquets and most recently at a wedding in Hawaii > appropriately enough. Seems like everyone wants to lift the grass skirt > though. Lots of curious people. :) > > > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > > > > > On Jun 21, 2012, at 7:29 AM, marty sukey wrote: > > >> Hula Boy ???? Oh please tell us more :) >> >> >> >> Marty >> >> ------------------------------**---------- >> >>> From: spitfiresuz at 141.com >>> To: levilevi at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net >>> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:02 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list >>> >>> Hula Boy!!! :D >>> >>> Welcome, Bud! I could have sworn you were on here--glad you are now!!! >>> You're a great fit with the group. Ever gonna put that supercharger on >>> your >>> car??? >>> >>> Susan :) >>> >>> >>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things >>>> >>> about >>> this list and I'm honored to be included. >>> >>>> >>>> I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look >>>> >>> forward to learning how the racers do it. >>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Bud Rolofson >>>> >>>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >>>> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >>>> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >>>> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >>>> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >>>> levilevi at comcast.net >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >>>> options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com >>>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**-------- >>> mail2web - Check your email from the web at >>> http://link.mail2web.com/**mail2web >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >>> options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.**com >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From riverside at southslope.net Thu Jun 21 10:33:41 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:33:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr In-Reply-To: <001801cd4fc8$4a1cfe40$de56fac0$@rogers.com> References: <001801cd4fc8$4a1cfe40$de56fac0$@rogers.com> Message-ID: That is one sharp looking wedge! art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:09 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: 'GregKerr' Subject: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr I would like to nominate Greg Kerr to the group. His email is gregsk at bell.net Greg just left my driveway towing his new TR7 Race car. He raced a Spitfire in the early 70s and is looking forward to getting back into the racing scene. He plans to go over the car this year and start racing next. Plans include a Sprint engine conversion. http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/TR7%20Race%20Car/P1030794.jpg Can I get a second? Thanks Paul MacDonald _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5083 - Release Date: 06/21/12 From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jun 21 10:41:01 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:41:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list In-Reply-To: References: <380-22012642113252190@M2W116.mail2web.com>, , <4DCA7E7F-13CC-41DD-9AB3-1E9D67FB07E6@comcast.net>, Message-ID: Well since Bud lives near the continental divide he probably wears it both ways :) Aren't you glad Clark drug you into this mess Bud? :)) Marty ________________________________ > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:31:37 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list > From: rfdeanes at gmail.com > To: levilevi at comcast.net > CC: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > > Probably looking to see if you are a east coast guy or a west coast guy > has to do with how you wear your Nomex. > > > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Bud Rolofson > > wrote: > As Susan described my Hula Girl shirt has gotten a lot of mileage on > it. I've worn it at most VTR banquets and most recently at a wedding > in Hawaii appropriately enough. Seems like everyone wants to lift the > grass skirt though. Lots of curious people. :) > > > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > > > > > On Jun 21, 2012, at 7:29 AM, marty sukey wrote: > > > Hula Boy ???? Oh please tell us more :) > > > > Marty > > ---------------------------------------- > From: spitfiresuz at 141.com > To: levilevi at comcast.net; > fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:02 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list > > Hula Boy!!! :D > > Welcome, Bud! I could have sworn you were on here--glad you are now!!! > You're a great fit with the group. Ever gonna put that supercharger on your > car??? > > Susan :) > > > On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson > > wrote: > > Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things > about > this list and I'm honored to be included. > > I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look > forward to learning how the racers do it. > > Regards > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 21 13:11:18 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:11:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list In-Reply-To: <0D497438-38A5-40D1-94AF-9AD91C9A2E96@comcast.net> References: <0D497438-38A5-40D1-94AF-9AD91C9A2E96@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FE371D6.8060007@bradakis.com> Bud Rolofson wrote: > Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things > about this list Of all the lists I scoop up after on Team.Net, this one is my favorite. Don't tell the other lists I said that! mjb. From garygret at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 21 13:54:28 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD937A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD937A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <1340308468.44461.YahooMailRC@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Scott, Art, Sadly no one has valued the Midwestern Council history enough to scan and publish the archives. Bill Martin (near O'Hare) and club historian Jack Bowling (Milwaukee) have extensive collections of the old Klaxons and MC Annuals but it would be time-consuming to page through them. I might suggest Eric Sandsnes for a call. His dad Sandy raced a TR3 prepared to grenade levels back in the day and Eric grew up at the track, I think still has the car. He hasn't been a club member for a couple years but the last info I had was 608-837-0265, esandsnes_mcscc at msn.com. Jag estimate is $20K, not quite totalled but the trucker's insurance has accepted responsibility. Gretchen's driving the automatic for a few days, shifting the MINI was a little uncomfortable when stiff and sore. Almost a month to recover before the next race, race belts on a bruised shoulder would hurt! Gary ________________________________ From: "Barr, Scott" To: Gary Schneider Sent: Thu, June 21, 2012 2:31:47 PM Subject: FW: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Hi Gary, Do you know if there's on-line access to the Council Annuals from the early 70s and onward? Can't seem to locate anything. How's Gretch? And how's the jag? Totaled? (The jag, I mean; Gretchen is clearly not totaled. Still some value there, even with the dings) Scott -----Original Message----- From: riverside at southslope.net [mailto:riverside at southslope.net] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:25 PM To: Barr, Scott Subject: Re: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer my most recent pic shows a number one. It was silver and flat black then, but I don't know what number was on it further down the line. -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:07 PM To: riverside at southslope.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Do you recall what number was on the car when it was race here? -----Original Message----- From: riverside at southslope.net [mailto:riverside at southslope.net] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:04 PM To: Barr, Scott Subject: Re: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer No I don't. I would expect SCCA or Midwest Council. I am getting real close on a storage place where the GT6 would fit. Should be able to move on it early July. Where is the car located? art d -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:38 AM To: riverside at southslope.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Do you know which clubs it was raced with after it went to Fond du Lac? Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of riverside at southslope.net Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:28 AM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Oops, left off identifier Art De Armond From: riverside at southslope.net Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:14 AM To: FOT Subject: Search for my old TR3 racer The welcoming into our fold of another TR3 racer has caused me to confront a long neglected duty: To find my old race car. When I last saw my TR3 it was in all black with red interior at a drivers school at Blackhawk Farms in b 74 or b75 I think. The car changed hands a few times and the last I heard, it was in the Fond u lac area of Wisconsin. It had two rather unique features. The roll bar was actually two tubes, both behind the driver, rather tall for the era, and welded together. The blegsb splayed out at the bottom fore and aft before being welded to plates on the frame. There were also the usual fore and aft and lateral additional tubes. The front shroud was split so that the top half could be easily removed without dealing with the lower half, thus easing certain service chores. Does anyone remember this car or have any idea where I could pick up a lead on its fate? My old friend who did so much to help me build it has been urging me to try to find and reacquire it for some time and now is the time. Thanks everyone for the help. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5083 - Release Date: 06/21/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5083 - Release Date: 06/21/12 From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Jun 21 15:05:24 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:05:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list In-Reply-To: References: <380-22012642113252190@M2W116.mail2web.com>, , <4DCA7E7F-13CC-41DD-9AB3-1E9D67FB07E6@comcast.net>, Message-ID: It all depends on how strong the Coriolus force is that day. Now that you mention it I did forget to thank my navigator Clark for nominating me. Thanks Clark. Bud 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jun 21, 2012, at 10:41 AM, marty sukey wrote: > > Well since Bud lives near the continental divide he probably wears > it both ways :) > > > > Aren't you glad Clark drug you into this mess Bud? :)) > > > > Marty > > ________________________________ >> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:31:37 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list >> From: rfdeanes at gmail.com >> To: levilevi at comcast.net >> CC: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net >> >> Probably looking to see if you are a east coast guy or a west coast >> guy >> has to do with how you wear your Nomex. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Bud Rolofson >> > wrote: >> As Susan described my Hula Girl shirt has gotten a lot of mileage on >> it. I've worn it at most VTR banquets and most recently at a wedding >> in Hawaii appropriately enough. Seems like everyone wants to lift the >> grass skirt though. Lots of curious people. :) >> >> >> Bud Rolofson >> >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> levilevi at comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 21, 2012, at 7:29 AM, marty sukey wrote: >> >> >> Hula Boy ???? Oh please tell us more :) >> >> >> >> Marty >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> From: spitfiresuz at 141.com >> To: levilevi at comcast.net; >> fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:02 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list >> >> Hula Boy!!! :D >> >> Welcome, Bud! I could have sworn you were on here--glad you are >> now!!! >> You're a great fit with the group. Ever gonna put that supercharger >> on your >> car??? >> >> Susan :) >> >> >> On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson >> > wrote: >> >> Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things >> about >> this list and I'm honored to be included. >> >> I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look >> forward to learning how the racers do it. >> >> Regards >> Bud Rolofson >> >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> levilevi at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> mail2web - Check your email from the web at >> http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> rob deanes >> TR Racer From jason at multivintage.com Thu Jun 21 15:22:40 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:22:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD937A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <1340308468.44461.YahooMailRC@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Art, Scott, Gary and all interested, Don't forget about me, perhaps one of the few MC guys really interested in our history... holding many pieces to the Midwestern Council (MC) puzzle. I have all the annuals and Klaxons from 1970 onward. I have left a message with Burt Levy (the last open road) about your quest... he drove a TR3 at that time in MC.... it may have been black for a while. and was damage wrecked and painted several times... each time looking worse and worse. There were few TR3's racing in council at that time. I will check the annuals and Klaxxons tomorrow for any more clues. But eagerly await a call back from Burt, as I suspect that if it was raced in MC he will have some info for us. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ Midwestern Council Race Chairperson NSSCC Board Member (Secretary) Majorly fanatical racing historian Antique dealer and Vintage Toy Store owner. Nut head, and more. From jason at multivintage.com Thu Jun 21 15:32:30 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:32:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Message-ID: Sorry if this message comes through twice.... Something strange happened when I tried to send it as a reply. Art, Scott, Gary and all interested, Don't forget about me, perhaps one of the few MC guys really interested in our history... holding many pieces to the Midwestern Council (MC) puzzle. I have all the annuals and Klaxons from 1970 onward. I have left a message with Burt Levy (the last open road) about your quest... he drove a TR3 at that time in MC.... it may have been black for a while. and was damage wrecked and painted several times... each time looking worse and worse. There were few TR3's racing in council at that time. I will check the annuals and Klaxxons tomorrow for any more clues. But eagerly await a call back from Burt, as I suspect that if it was raced in MC he will have some info for us. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ Midwestern Council Race Chairperson NSSCC Board Member (Secretary) Majorly fanatical racing historian Antique dealer and Vintage Toy Store owner. Nut head, and more. From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Jun 21 15:37:29 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:37:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD937A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <1340308468.44461.YahooMailRC@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <98ED3994-8CED-4B55-AAFB-23624E0CD9AE@gdhs.com> Jason. Just for the record, SVRA does not accept annual tech inspections from other council members. HSR and the guys up in Canada, however, do. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Art, Scott, Gary and all interested, > Don't forget about me, perhaps one of the few MC guys really interested in > our history... holding many pieces to the Midwestern Council (MC) puzzle. > I have all the annuals and Klaxons from 1970 onward. > I have left a message with Burt Levy (the last open road) about your > quest... he drove a TR3 at that time in MC.... it may have been black for a > while. and was damage wrecked and painted several times... each time > looking worse and worse. > There were few TR3's racing in council at that time. > I will check the annuals and Klaxxons tomorrow for any more clues. > But eagerly await a call back from Burt, as I suspect that if it was raced > in MC he will have some info for us. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ > Midwestern Council Race Chairperson > NSSCC Board Member (Secretary) > Majorly fanatical racing historian > Antique dealer and Vintage Toy Store owner. > Nut head, and more. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From sgroh1 at comcast.net Thu Jun 21 15:50:50 2012 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:50:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Anyone have a SAH valve cover cap gasket?? Message-ID: <4402A53C-D918-472D-97FE-2AA4327616EB@comcast.net> I have an SAH valve cover with a spring-loaded cap that desperately needs a gasket. Nothing I've tried is sealing this puppy. Does anyone have a spare gasket or cap with a gasket they want to part with? The cap is not threaded, but depresses under a detent and then raises back up after a 1-4 turn. Any help would be much appreciated!!! Steve Groh 63 Spit From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jun 21 15:53:56 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Message-ID: <2c2dc.3b942226.3d14f1f4@aol.com> In a message dated 06/21/2012 4:38:57 PM Central Daylight Time, jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: > Jason. Just for the record, SVRA does not accept annual tech inspections > from > other council members. HSR and the guys up in Canada, however, do. > While I have no first hand knowledge because I have not raced with SVRA since Carl and Jack left (I'm punishing them), it would really surprise me if they would not honor TECH inspection from other 'significant' vintage sanctioning bodies. SVRA has enough stones in their road these days without pissing racers off because they will not honor ANNUAL TECH inspections by other respected groups. The HAWK is a Road America event. Bill Dentinger From jason at multivintage.com Thu Jun 21 16:09:50 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:09:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer In-Reply-To: <2c2dc.3b942226.3d14f1f4@aol.com> References: <2c2dc.3b942226.3d14f1f4@aol.com> Message-ID: Strange goings on here... It took me a while to figure out what post/ topic is being referenced here. The "annuals" I'M talking about are like yearbooks... with racing photos, people/worker photos and championship points listings. These were put out yearly by Midwestern Council up until the digital era. I think my post ended up being confusing as it was referencing a few off line posts by Scott and Gary that may or may not have come across on FOT. Sorry for the confusion. On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:53 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 06/21/2012 4:38:57 PM Central Daylight Time, > jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: > > > Jason. Just for the record, SVRA does not accept annual tech inspections > from > other council members. HSR and the guys up in Canada, however, do. > > > and Bill D's last post. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Jun 21 16:45:08 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:45:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wiseco soft nylon hone brush In-Reply-To: <000001cd4e6c$e1007330$a3015990$@com> References: <000001cd4e6c$e1007330$a3015990$@com> Message-ID: <000001cd4fff$8327c990$89775cb0$@com> Thanks to all who responded regarding honing the cylinders. Essentially, I bought the wrong hone! I've now purchased a Flex Hone which should do the job. The Customer Support people at Flex Hone were helpful regarding which hone to get and how to use, RPM, amount of honing, etc. Their web site is pretty informative also, you just have to rummage around in it a bit to find the info. I should have the hone tomorrow from McMaster-Carr and be done with that part of the job. I'm beginning to think that we had excessive glaze because of very minimal cross hatching when the sleeves were honed for extra clearance for the forged pistons. We'll see how we do this time!! Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Wiseco soft nylon hone brush In our TR4 engine we have Wiseco forged pistons. I saw on their web site that they had a soft nylon hone brush available and as I needed a hone, I purchased one of their hone brushes to break the glaze on the sleeves prior to installing new rings. You can take a look at the brush at www.wiseco.com by clicking on "accessories" in the "automotive" section on the left hand side of the home page. I wanted something "safe" so as not to remove any metal from the sleeves and make them tapered or oblong or both. Has anyone used one of these hone brushes? I'm having a hard time "breaking the glaze" with it. I've called Wiseco a couple of times regarding lubricant/cutting fluid and speed to run it at and have followed their instructions. So far I've tried straight mineral spirits (the Wiseco recommendation), a 50/50 mix of mineral spirits and ATF and carb cleaner that an engine builder in town recommended. I'm making progress but it would seem that this shouldn't be a career!! So, if anybody has some experience with these hone brushes I'd appreciate any suggestions. We do seem to have quite a bit of hard black glaze on the sleeves. I'm beginning to think that maybe the brush should be run dry, no lubricant. Thanks for any suggestions, Tim Murphy _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Jun 21 17:41:53 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:41:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Monster Message-ID: <003801cd5007$700d5ed0$50281c70$@rogers.com> Here is a car that runs in Ontario. http://coburnphotographyca.smugmug.com/Motorsports/GT-1-to-GT-6/DAC-Trillium -Trophy-Races-2012/23405374_Vgpgbd#!i=1891593890&k=7BzpqQH&lb=1&s=A It has a 400 cubic inch all aluminum Dart engine about 600hp, and wins most races in GT1 locally against Corvettes, Vipers and Porsches. Paul From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Jun 21 17:47:30 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:47:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Monster In-Reply-To: <003801cd5007$700d5ed0$50281c70$@rogers.com> References: <003801cd5007$700d5ed0$50281c70$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <004001cd5008$391d89d0$ab589d70$@rogers.com> Try this shorter link http://tinyurl.com/7qqgtf7 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: June 21, 2012 7:42 PM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] TR7 Monster Here is a car that runs in Ontario. http://coburnphotographyca.smugmug.com/Motorsports/GT-1-to-GT-6/DAC-Trillium -Trophy-Races-2012/23405374_Vgpgbd#!i=1891593890&k=7BzpqQH&lb=1&s=A It has a 400 cubic inch all aluminum Dart engine about 600hp, and wins most races in GT1 locally against Corvettes, Vipers and Porsches. Paul _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 21 19:24:55 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr....now Wedges at the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <001801cd4fc8$4a1cfe40$de56fac0$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <8CF1E2CF745335F-1798-BFA6@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com> Wedges are one part of the future for Triumph Vintage Racing. The 2013 Kastner Cup will once again accept all Triumphs on a case by case basis. We will be looking forward to seeing applications for approval for the Wedge Family. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: riverside To: Paul MacDonald ; fot Cc: 'GregKerr' Sent: Thu, Jun 21, 2012 11:38 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr That is one sharp looking wedge! art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:09 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: 'GregKerr' Subject: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr I would like to nominate Greg Kerr to the group. His email is gregsk at bell.net Greg just left my driveway towing his new TR7 Race car. He raced a Spitfire in the early 70s and is looking forward to getting back into the racing scene. He plans to go over the car this year and start racing next. Plans include a Sprint engine conversion. http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/TR7%20Race%20Car/P1030794.jpg Can I get a second? Thanks Paul MacDonald _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5083 - Release Date: 06/21/12 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Jun 21 20:12:28 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:12:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Nomination Greg Kerr In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005901cd501c$7997cbb0$6cc76310$@rogers.com> I think Peter meant to reply all. Paul -----Original Message----- From: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca [mailto:peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca] Sent: June 21, 2012 1:51 PM To: Paul MacDonald Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr Second, greg is a racer Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: macdonaldp Sent: 21.06.2012 12:09 AST To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: gregsk at bell.net Subject: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr I would like to nominate Greg Kerr to the group. His email is gregsk at bell.net Greg just left my driveway towing his new TR7 Race car. He raced a Spitfire in the early 70s and is looking forward to getting back into the racing scene. He plans to go over the car this year and start racing next. Plans include a Sprint engine conversion. http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/TR7%20Race%20Car/P1030794.jpg Can I get a second? Thanks Paul MacDonald _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca If you are not the intended addressee, please inform us immediately that you have received this e-mail in error, and delete it. We thank you for your cooperation. = From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 21 21:16:40 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:16:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: Nomination Greg Kerr [ List workings ] In-Reply-To: <005901cd501c$7997cbb0$6cc76310$@rogers.com> References: <005901cd501c$7997cbb0$6cc76310$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4FE3E398.7050901@bradakis.com> Paul MacDonald wrote: > I think Peter meant to reply all. > > As many of you have no doubt noticed by now the default list behavior is to send a reply only to the one who first sent the message. I've had it set that way for many years. Basically it is easier to have a list member resend a post that was meant for all than to "unsend" a post that should not have been sent to all. So when replying you may want to check the "To: " box. Many years back I was explaining my reasoning for this policy on one of the lists. One subscriber sent a message to list with some comments on the subject. Another subscriber responded but it was pretty obvious the reply was meant to go to only one person, not the whole list. But I didn't unsubscribe him in spite of all the mean and unpleasant things he said about me and how the lists are managed. Another reason one's message don't reach the list is because you aren't sending it here. To send a message to fot at autox.team.net you send a message to, gee, fot at autox.team.net. Again, check the "To: " address ( or CC ) when composing your message. And yet another reason your messages don't come through is because you are not a member of the email list, your EMAIL is a member of the list. If you were put on the list as student_joe at diploma.mill but are now sending mail from the address worker_joe at slavers.com it won't come through. One can subscribe both addresses and set one of them to not get messages so you can send from either one but not get two copies. I just dealt with that for one person earlier today, you may soon be hearing from Bill Babcock again. Sorry to be somewhat long winded about such stuff, but hopefully a bit of knowledge will help all of you make good use of what a great resource this is! mjb, underworked and overpaid Team.Net janitor. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jun 22 06:05:27 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:05:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] WG: Spa last weekend Message-ID: <000f01cd506f$511672b0$f3435810$@com> Another Triumph video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded &v=1W7dGRVgDXk I appear as guest star from time to time. Cheers Chris From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Jun 22 07:23:59 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR7 Monster In-Reply-To: <004001cd5008$391d89d0$ab589d70$@rogers.com> References: <003801cd5007$700d5ed0$50281c70$@rogers.com> <004001cd5008$391d89d0$ab589d70$@rogers.com> Message-ID: LIKE!!! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 21 Jun 2012, Paul MacDonald wrote: > Try this shorter link > > http://tinyurl.com/7qqgtf7 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: June 21, 2012 7:42 PM > To: Fot > Subject: [Fot] TR7 Monster > > Here is a car that runs in Ontario. > > > > > m-Trophy-Races-2012/23405374_Vgpgbd#!i=1891593890&k=7BzpqQH&lb=1&s=A> > http://coburnphotographyca.smugmug.com/Motorsports/GT-1-to-GT-6/DAC-Trillium > -Trophy-Races-2012/23405374_Vgpgbd#!i=1891593890&k=7BzpqQH&lb=1&s=A > > > > It has a 400 cubic inch all aluminum Dart engine about 600hp, and wins most > races in GT1 locally against Corvettes, Vipers and Porsches. > > > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang at isis.mit.edu From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Fri Jun 22 11:54:15 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:54:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] trying to put video ion YouTube Message-ID: <006c01cd50a0$0a040f00$1e0c2d00$@rr.com> Okay, I have used software supplied at the GoPro site to reduce the length of the video files (GoPro Hero HD) to be less than 20 minutes and on four attempts to put video up on YouTube (many hours each) they have been dropped by the site with the message it was too long! Anyone have a work around on this? Is it based on time or on file size. The file was an MP4 with 1.7 gig content. I'm ready to give up....... Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jun 22 11:58:11 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:58:11 +0200 Subject: [Fot] trying to put video ion YouTube In-Reply-To: <006c01cd50a0$0a040f00$1e0c2d00$@rr.com> References: <006c01cd50a0$0a040f00$1e0c2d00$@rr.com> Message-ID: <003101cd50a0$97d831d0$c7889570$@com> Good heavens! 1.7GB is way too much for us normal video watcher. Try to get it down to 100 - 300 MB and shorten it to less than 15 minutes. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Spitfire Racing Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Juni 2012 19:54 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] trying to put video ion YouTube Okay, I have used software supplied at the GoPro site to reduce the length of the video files (GoPro Hero HD) to be less than 20 minutes and on four attempts to put video up on YouTube (many hours each) they have been dropped by the site with the message it was too long! Anyone have a work around on this? Is it based on time or on file size. The file was an MP4 with 1.7 gig content. I'm ready to give up....... Russ Moore Spitfire #49 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From harmug at us.ibm.com Fri Jun 22 12:11:51 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:11:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 67, Issue 39 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: re: Video on Youtube Russ, I ran into the same problem this year when I upgraded to a GoPro HD from the original GoPro (Low def?). Hours of upload and then rejection. I had to upgrade (free) my account. There's a link on the rejection page. You verify your contact info and they text you a code. After I did that, no problem uploading 20 minute full race videos. I'd still recommend editing the raw file, I use the free movie maker program that comes with Windows. The file size bloats during the conversion to a *.wav file but it's fairly easy to use and you can add titles, credits, cut out sections and even add a sound track. mike G. Michael Harmuth 63 Spit From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jun 22 12:35:20 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:35:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] trying to put video ion YouTube In-Reply-To: <006c01cd50a0$0a040f00$1e0c2d00$@rr.com> References: <006c01cd50a0$0a040f00$1e0c2d00$@rr.com> Message-ID: The video of Blackhawk Feature Race that I recently posted is an MP4 file that is 1.75GB and is 19 minutes long. Took a while to upload. The 2nd video I posted is similar, but YouTube had a couple of glitches and it posted on like the 3rd or 4th try. I had to close and re-open the browser for it to figure things out. The allowed length may be related to the type of YouTube account you have. Somewhere along the line it changed from allowing me to post 10 minute videos to longer videos (at least 20 minutes, maybe longer). I don't remember if I had to do anything to change this, though. Tony At 12:54 PM 6/22/2012, Spitfire Racing wrote: >Okay, I have used software supplied at the GoPro site to reduce the length >of the video files (GoPro Hero HD) to be less than 20 minutes and on four >attempts to put video up on YouTube (many hours each) they have been dropped >by the site with the message it was too long! Anyone have a work around on >this? Is it based on time or on file size. The file was an MP4 with 1.7 gig >content. > > > >I'm ready to give up....... > > > >Russ Moore > >Spitfire #49 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jun 22 19:40:00 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 21:40:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer In-Reply-To: <2c2dc.3b942226.3d14f1f4@aol.com> References: <2c2dc.3b942226.3d14f1f4@aol.com> Message-ID: Bill I am at Mid Ohio right now.... Believe me. I had to go through a full annual this morning even though I had an annual by VDCA noted in my log book in Dec. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2012, at 5:53 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 06/21/2012 4:38:57 PM Central Daylight Time, jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: > > >> Jason. Just for the record, SVRA does not accept annual tech inspections from >> other council members. HSR and the guys up in Canada, however, do. > > > While I have no first hand knowledge because I have not raced with SVRA since Carl and Jack left (I'm punishing them), it would really surprise me if they would not honor TECH inspection from other 'significant' vintage sanctioning bodies. SVRA has enough stones in their road these days without pissing racers off because they will not honor ANNUAL TECH inspections by other respected groups. > > The HAWK is a Road America event. > > Bill Dentinger From starr001 at umn.edu Sat Jun 23 08:14:38 2012 From: starr001 at umn.edu (Patrick Starr) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:14:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics In-Reply-To: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: Jim, I have entered the Portland Historics with my TR3 powered 1958 Morgan Plus 4. I finally got it running again after having the camshaft break during practice at the Mitty event in April (!) It has number 83 and is in group one. Patrick Starr On Jun 18, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Jim Norlin wrote: > For the past several months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph racing for the local Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. Among other things for this month's column, I want to include a preview of the Portland Historic Races. If you are planning on racing in this event, please let me know. I'd also like to include the model, year, and car number of the car you will be racing. Thanks in advance. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/starr001 at umn.edu From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 23 08:51:26 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:51:26 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa last weekend In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , , <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, , , , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: <000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> A real action video: http://contour.com/stories/trcompetition-2012-francorchamps-race-2-19-juni-c lip From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sat Jun 23 10:23:16 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:23:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spa last weekend In-Reply-To: <000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net> <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com> <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com> <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com> <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com> <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com> <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> Message-ID: <478064C7-BA8D-464B-8316-1BD24EA27843@yahoo.com> I bought my TR4 at a fire sale. It cooked a bit before the corner team got to it. All good now, but I installed a halon system just in case! Ty Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2012, at 8:51 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > A real action video: > > > > http://contour.com/stories/trcompetition-2012-francorchamps-race-2-19-juni-c > lip > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sat Jun 23 11:42:46 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 13:42:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 front coil springs Message-ID: <4FE60016.3090909@cfl.rr.com> I have a set of NOS 650lb comp coil springs 7 3/4" in length. My question: are the aluminum spring spacers that are used by the stock suspension still used with comp springs or left off? Spacers appear to be about 1" tall. thxx, Bob From ponobill at gmail.com Sat Jun 23 16:34:40 2012 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:34:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics In-Reply-To: References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hey Pat, it will be nice to see you. My email server has changed so I can't get on the FOT list anymore, haven't been able to get Mark to fix the problem, but this should get through since i have your direct email address. I'll be there with Peyote. Are you also going to the SOVREN race in Auburn the next weekend? On Jun 23, 2012, at 7:14 AM, Patrick Starr wrote: > Jim, > I have entered the Portland Historics with my TR3 powered 1958 Morgan Plus 4. > I finally got it running again after > having the camshaft break during practice at the Mitty event in April (!) It > has number 83 and is in group one. > > Patrick Starr > > On Jun 18, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Jim Norlin wrote: > >> For the past several months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph > racing for the local Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. Among > other things for this month's column, I want to include a preview of the > Portland Historic Races. If you are planning on racing in this event, please > let me know. I'd also like to include the model, year, and car number of the > car you will be racing. Thanks in advance. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/starr001 at umn.edu > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jun 23 16:52:15 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:52:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics In-Reply-To: References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FE6489F.1080808@bradakis.com> Bill Babcock wrote: > Hey Pat, it will be nice to see you. My email server has changed so I can't > get on the FOT list anymore, haven't been able to get Mark to fix the problem, > I thought I had fixed it back in May when you first told me about it, but apparently not. I did fix it the other day when Joe A. mentioned it. I commented on it as one example of why some folks messages weren't showing up. If the archives were updating properly I'd point folks in that direction to the specific message. It is getting too hot to fuss about in the garage, maybe I'll work on the archive issue. mjb, still the overpaid and underworked list janitor. From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 23 19:09:00 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 21:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics In-Reply-To: References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CF1FBD12B7C292-1790-203DD@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> i got your email bill, good to have you back! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock To: Patrick Starr Cc: FOT Sent: Sat, Jun 23, 2012 5:38 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Portland Historics Hey Pat, it will be nice to see you. My email server has changed so I can't get on the FOT list anymore, haven't been able to get Mark to fix the problem, but this should get through since i have your direct email address. I'll be there with Peyote. Are you also going to the SOVREN race in Auburn the next weekend? On Jun 23, 2012, at 7:14 AM, Patrick Starr wrote: > Jim, > I have entered the Portland Historics with my TR3 powered 1958 Morgan Plus 4. > I finally got it running again after > having the camshaft break during practice at the Mitty event in April (!) It > has number 83 and is in group one. > > Patrick Starr > > On Jun 18, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Jim Norlin wrote: > >> For the past several months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph > racing for the local Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. Among > other things for this month's column, I want to include a preview of the > Portland Historic Races. If you are planning on racing in this event, please > let me know. I'd also like to include the model, year, and car number of the > car you will be racing. Thanks in advance. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/starr001 at umn.edu > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From ponobill at gmail.com Sat Jun 23 21:49:08 2012 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 20:49:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics In-Reply-To: <4FE6489F.1080808@bradakis.com> References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> <4FE6489F.1080808@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mark, good to be back. I haven't been doing much of interest to FOTers lately, been busy with other stuff, but that's changing fast. Trying to wrap up some projects so I can get back to building a street TR3 for myself, and either getting Ambro #001 put back together or selling it. I have so many projects laying around I'm going to have to live to be at least 120 to finish them all. One weird thing I'm playng around with is aerial photography and autopilot technology for miniature multi-rotor helicopters. Here's one: http://www.kenalu.com/wp-content/uploads/ebooks/quadrecon.jpg The other weird thing is manufacturing carbon fiber paddles for Stand Up Paddle surfing and racing. Our paddles have attracted a cult following. As usual I didn't know what the heck i was doing, we just took a test and measurement geek approach to what has been traditionally driven by experience and fiddling. I just added some electronics to the process but it worked pretty well: http://www.kenalu.com/. Why a happily retired guy would build a business like this is simply beyond me. But I'm having fun with itI think. On Jun 23, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Bill Babcock wrote: >> Hey Pat, it will be nice to see you. My email server has changed so I can't >> get on the FOT list anymore, haven't been able to get Mark to fix the problem, >> > > I thought I had fixed it back in May when you first told me about it, > but apparently not. I did fix it the other day when Joe A. mentioned > it. I commented on it as one example of why some folks messages > weren't showing up. If the archives were updating properly I'd point > folks in that direction to the specific message. It is getting too hot > to fuss about in the garage, maybe I'll work on the archive issue. > > mjb, still the overpaid and underworked list janitor. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 24 03:38:21 2012 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 05:38:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT Message-ID: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He races a very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto at Mosport last weekend. He's a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut who has built his own car as many of us have. He experienced and overcame some of the problems a car can toss at you in its early events. Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com)? Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jun 24 04:35:12 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT In-Reply-To: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> References: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CF200C2B030826-1A74-22B79@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> yo! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing To: fot Cc: 'Donn Sopp' ; vangoughv Sent: Sun, Jun 24, 2012 4:38 am Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He races a very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto at Mosport last weekend. He's a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut who has built his own car as many of us have. He experienced and overcame some of the problems a car can toss at you in its early events. Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com)? Russ Moore Spitfire #49 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Jun 24 06:27:17 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:27:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT In-Reply-To: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> References: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000f01cd5204$b18f0760$14ad1620$@rogers.com> Second, can't have enough Canucks. Welcome Vince. Paul MacDonald -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Spitfire Racing Sent: June 24, 2012 5:38 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: 'Donn Sopp'; vangoughv at hotmail.com Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He races a very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto at Mosport last weekend. He's a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut who has built his own car as many of us have. He experienced and overcame some of the problems a car can toss at you in its early events. Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com)? Russ Moore Spitfire #49 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From wmrampe at yahoo.com Sun Jun 24 06:31:21 2012 From: wmrampe at yahoo.com (William Rampe) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 05:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT In-Reply-To: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> References: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1340541081.80310.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I am glad to second. Vince is a great guy and a worthy addition to the group. B Bill Rampe Spitfire 311 >________________________________ >From: Spitfire Racing >To: fot at autox.team.net >Cc: vangoughv at hotmail.com; 'Mark Wheatley' ; 'Donn Sopp' ; 'Steven Groh' ; 'William Rampe' >Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:38 AM >Subject: new entry to FOT > > >I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He races a very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto at Mosport last weekend. Hebs a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut who has built his own car as many of us have. He experienced and overcame some of the problems a car can toss at you in its early events. >B >Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com)? >B >Russ Moore >Spitfire #49 >B >B From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 24 06:51:15 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:51:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT In-Reply-To: <1340539075.36711.YahooMailClassic@web88602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> <1340539075.36711.YahooMailClassic@web88602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201cd5208$0b134280$2139c780$@rr.com> Mike, I believe you are on the FOT list, if not please correct me-you should be, and do you have an e-mail for Pete so I can get him in the group. That TR-8 is on steroids for sure. Sounded like NASCAR came to town when he lit it up! Yep, GT-6.....hopefully we helped him and didn't hinder or scare him on the weekend. It's a difficult concept that "new" parts out of the box are crap and don't work, but I think he knows that now. The grin filled the helmet by Sunday and I have to think that day outweighed any problems earlier. Always a great event up there. Russ From: MIKE DEWEERD [mailto:deweerdm at rogers.com] Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 7:58 AM To: Spitfire Racing Subject: Re: [Fot] new entry to FOT Absolutely!! Seconds for Vince! You can see Vince build "brutus" on Classicmotorsports.net Awesome Guy and going to be a great racer....He held his line in corner three catching my Volvo adversary behind him allowing me the pass!!! GO TEAM TRIUMPH!! Vince and his GT6 also participated in the Toronto International Auto Show's 50 years of Triumph along with my TR4 and Pete Bulkowski's TR8. It's great to see another Triumph at Mosport (Canadian Tire Motorsports Park) And don't forget as a GT6 racer he's going to need all the help he can get :) Mike Deweerd TR4 #77 --- On Sun, 6/24/12, Spitfire Racing wrote: From: Spitfire Racing Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: "'Donn Sopp'" , vangoughv at hotmail.com Date: Sunday, June 24, 2012, 9:38 AM I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He races a very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto at Mosport last weekend. He's a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut who has built his own car as many of us have. He experienced and overcame some of the problems a car can toss at you in its early events. Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com )? Russ Moore Spitfire #49 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/deweerdm at rogers.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Jun 24 07:56:10 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 09:56:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Line question Message-ID: Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of course :) Thanks, Marty From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sun Jun 24 08:37:37 2012 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:37:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83D0DD51-DB00-4018-82F7-08B385E977AB@optonline.net> Hold your line. It's the over taking vehicles responsibility to go around you. On the straights it helps if u point them by. Good luck!! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2012, at 9:56 AM, marty sukey wrote: > Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I > have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to > keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much > slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I > am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that > leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following > car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this > weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see > how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers > maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next > opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As > I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars > out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I > know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would > you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you > notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of > course :) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jun 24 08:44:00 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:44:00 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601cd5217$cc233fc0$6469bf40$@com> The only thing I would say: Be predictable, do nothing to confuse the faster guys. I'm happy if the slower people maintain their line as I know then where they will be in a second. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von marty sukey Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. Juni 2012 15:56 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] Line question Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of course :) Thanks, Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 24 08:48:49 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:48:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009501cd5218$77b2ed40$6718c7c0$@rr.com> Marty, probably the safest way to go is stay on your line. Pointing someone by is good and shows them you know they're there. The worst thing you can do is change your line suddenly even if it is to let someone else by. Most folks understand slower traffic and it is ALWAYS up to the passing driver to be sure it is a safe pass. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 9:56 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Line question Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of course :) Thanks, Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Jun 24 09:34:43 2012 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:34:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: <83D0DD51-DB00-4018-82F7-08B385E977AB@optonline.net> References: <83D0DD51-DB00-4018-82F7-08B385E977AB@optonline.net> Message-ID: <563611CA-436B-4115-8429-2705B45ABD52@bnj.com> There's a lot of debate on this issue, here's my take: Be consistent. That's all anyone should ask of you. I'm not really fond of people pointing me by, they often point in a direction I don't want to go, and then make some kind of move that I need to work around. I hate it when they start talking about that at the drivers meeting. I don't know where this notion comes from, but the idea that a much slower driver should be in control of where the faster cars go seems completely absurd. I'd just as soon you left that up to me. At the very least, don't be surprised if I don't take your direction, and for certain don't dart around to support your choice of where I should be going. A lot of racers think "The Line" is a railroad track that they have to follow. What the racing line is, is the part of the track that you HAVE to be on if you're driving at the limit of your car and would like to stay on the track. Groups like Vintage under two liter (usually Group One) have a wide speed differential that hasn't got much to do with driver ability. On tracks where the Loti, Lolas, Poopers and Peyote are turning under 1:40 there are cars circulating at well over 2:00. Many of them "drive the line" with rigid determination, even though they could be anywhere on the track and still negotiate the turns. If you're in that later circumstance, coming into a fast sweeper, and see a snarling pack closing on you, you might not want to be swinging in for a classic late apex. I know that if I say something like "hey, you kind of closed the door on me" that they will invariably say "I was driving the Line". Other than that, just drive your car. Check your mirrors but don't drive your mirrors. You might spike my blood pressure if you squeeze me out of a line I wanted, but that's MY problem. I'll work it out, and I won't hit you (probably) Just kidding. On Jun 24, 2012, at 7:37 AM, Todd Redmond wrote: > Hold your line. It's the over taking vehicles responsibility to go around you. On the straights it helps if u point them by. Good luck!! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 24, 2012, at 9:56 AM, marty sukey wrote: > >> Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I >> have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to >> keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much >> slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I >> am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that >> leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following >> car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this >> weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see >> how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers >> maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next >> opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As >> I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars >> out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I >> know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would >> you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you >> notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of >> course :) >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Marty >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From sgroh1 at comcast.net Sun Jun 24 11:43:51 2012 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:43:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT In-Reply-To: <000f01cd5204$b18f0760$14ad1620$@rogers.com> References: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> <000f01cd5204$b18f0760$14ad1620$@rogers.com> Message-ID: I'll make it a third on Vince!! Good guy! Welcome to FoT Vince!! Steve Groh Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2012, at 8:27 AM, "Paul MacDonald" wrote: > Second, can't have enough Canucks. Welcome Vince. > > Paul MacDonald > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Spitfire Racing > Sent: June 24, 2012 5:38 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: 'Donn Sopp'; vangoughv at hotmail.com > Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT > > I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He races a > very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto at Mosport > last weekend. He's a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut who has built his > own car as many of us have. He experienced and overcame some of the problems > a car can toss at you in its early events. > > > > Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com)? > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1 at comcast.net From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 24 14:09:12 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:09:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT In-Reply-To: <956C59DF11FE4D09A01FD712FA9BC7CE@home> References: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> <000f01cd5204$b18f0760$14ad1620$@rogers.com> <956C59DF11FE4D09A01FD712FA9BC7CE@home> Message-ID: <00e601cd5245$39304c20$ab90e460$@rr.com> They passed those pills out at the driver's meeting................did you miss it?? russ -----Original Message----- From: Donn Sopp [mailto:chadd at odyssey.net] Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 6:46 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Spitfire Racing; fot at autox.team.net; vangoughv at hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] new entry to FOT Bring Vince into the fold. He has the enthusiasm to do it right and the attitude to carry on. Good people !!! Now can I get some extra HP from him? Donn Sopp Spitfire > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Spitfire Racing > Sent: June 24, 2012 5:38 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: 'Donn Sopp'; vangoughv at hotmail.com > Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT > > I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He > races a very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto > at Mosport last weekend. He's a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut > who has built his own car as many of us have. He experienced and > overcame some of the problems a car can toss at you in its early > events. > > > > Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com)? > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sun Jun 24 14:55:48 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:55:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8EC6C507-1FAB-43B0-A371-2241049A0938@yahoo.com> The only time I ever have a problem overtaking another car is when they are trying to get out of my way. So, my vote is hold the racing line. I will find the safe way around so we can both live to race another day. The only time I deem it necessary to drive off line is if your car is running way off pace and you are just trying to make it back to the pits. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2012, at 8:56 AM, marty sukey wrote: > Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I > have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to > keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much > slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I > am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that > leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following > car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this > weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see > how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers > maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next > opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As > I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars > out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I > know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would > you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you > notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of > course :) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sun Jun 24 18:27:56 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:27:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT In-Reply-To: <00e601cd5245$39304c20$ab90e460$@rr.com> References: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> <000f01cd5204$b18f0760$14ad1620$@rogers.com> <956C59DF11FE4D09A01FD712FA9BC7CE@home> <00e601cd5245$39304c20$ab90e460$@rr.com> Message-ID: LOl. Thanks gents it was a pleasure meeting at Mosport and I look forward to seeing you and other FOT in the future. On 2012-06-24, at 4:09 PM, "Spitfire Racing" wrote: > They passed those pills out at the driver's meeting................did you > miss it?? > russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donn Sopp [mailto:chadd at odyssey.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 6:46 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: Spitfire Racing; fot at autox.team.net; vangoughv at hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] new entry to FOT > > Bring Vince into the fold. He has the enthusiasm to do it right and the > attitude to carry on. Good people !!! > Now can I get some extra HP from him? > Donn Sopp > Spitfire > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of Spitfire Racing >> Sent: June 24, 2012 5:38 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Cc: 'Donn Sopp'; vangoughv at hotmail.com >> Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT >> >> I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He >> races a very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto >> at Mosport last weekend. He's a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut >> who has built his own car as many of us have. He experienced and >> overcame some of the problems a car can toss at you in its early >> events. >> >> >> >> Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com)? >> >> >> >> Russ Moore >> >> Spitfire #49 From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Jun 24 20:02:40 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 22:02:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: <8EC6C507-1FAB-43B0-A371-2241049A0938@yahoo.com> References: , <8EC6C507-1FAB-43B0-A371-2241049A0938@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Big thanks to all of you for your advice. I got it, hold the line! :) I will try and put that to practice when I get my next engine together. It should actually make it easier for me to drive that way as I found myself concentrating too much on keeping out of other peoples way than proper driving which I am sure did nothing for my lap times. I guess I just need to trust the fact that you will find a way around me. I am sure that as my confidence level grows that will be second nature. Thanks for tolerating me during my learning curve. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sun Jun 24 20:14:26 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 19:14:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FE7C982.1080606@comcast.net> Good advise from all. The one additional thing that I can add is that in our local SCCA vintage races, I often have a Formula Atlantic or a big bruiser of a Camaro closing on my Spitfire at 40-50 mph at the end of a straight or powering by me entering the straightaway. In these situations I make it abundantly clear that I see them, I'm staying outside and they have the line. On 6/24/2012 6:56 AM, marty sukey wrote: > Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I > have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to > keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much > slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I > am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that > leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following > car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this > weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see > how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers > maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next > opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As > I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars > out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I > know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would > you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you > notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of > course :) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From bownes at seiri.com Sun Jun 24 22:03:46 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 00:03:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: <8EC6C507-1FAB-43B0-A371-2241049A0938@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <06EBBFE3-5996-4A7B-82E1-A531CE9D2711@seiri.com> I have to add a short story of my own... While in one of my first races in the spit that Marty now has my little GP Spitfire was lumped in with all the other prod and GT classes. Given that there was a National several days later and an IMSA race the next week, there were a few of the local Big Bore teams doing test and tune. It came as no surprise to anyone to find an IMSA/GT1 car with a big name driver on the pole and me on the other end of the grid as the lone GP entry. At the driver's meeting I approached him and said I'd do my best to stay out of the way. He turned and said 'Just hold your line and drive your race son. Let me worry about getting around you.' Those words rang loudly in my head as I came into Turn one alone at the back of the pack about four or five laps later with his Camaro thundering down on me. I held my line, tracked out, he ducked inside of me and was gone. We repeated that a few more times and then took the checker about half a lap apart. It was no surprise that we both placed first in class. But the victory lap with the checkered flag was just as sweet. We raced one more time in the following years. I was sorry when he left us a couple of years ago, especially since one of his first race cars was a TR6. Bob On Jun 24, 2012, at 22:02, marty sukey wrote: > Big thanks to all of you for your advice. I got it, hold the line! :) I will > try and put that to practice when I get my next engine together. It should > actually make it easier for me to drive that way as I found myself > concentrating too much on keeping out of other peoples way than proper driving > which I am sure did nothing for my lap times. I guess I just need to trust the > fact that you will find a way around me. I am sure that as my confidence level > grows that will be second nature. Thanks for tolerating me during my learning > curve. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Jun 25 06:03:09 2012 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 07:03:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: <06EBBFE3-5996-4A7B-82E1-A531CE9D2711@seiri.com> References: <8EC6C507-1FAB-43B0-A371-2241049A0938@yahoo.com> <06EBBFE3-5996-4A7B-82E1-A531CE9D2711@seiri.com> Message-ID: <05A7F7FF-5273-4346-A9E8-12E3094F1DCE@wi.rr.com> Bob, Great story and great advice. PLN was a class act! Allen On Jun 24, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri wrote: > I have to add a short story of my own... > > While in one of my first races in the spit that Marty now has my > little GP > Spitfire was lumped in with all the other prod and GT classes. Given > that > there was a National several days later and an IMSA race the next > week, there > were a few of the local Big Bore teams doing test and tune. > > It came as no surprise to anyone to find an IMSA/GT1 car with a big > name > driver on the pole and me on the other end of the grid as the lone > GP entry. > > At the driver's meeting I approached him and said I'd do my best to > stay out > of the way. He turned and said 'Just hold your line and drive your > race son. > Let me worry about getting around you.' Those words rang loudly in > my head as > I came into Turn one alone at the back of the pack about four or > five laps > later with his Camaro thundering down on me. I held my line, tracked > out, he > ducked inside of me and was gone. We repeated that a few more times > and then > took the checker about half a lap apart. > > It was no surprise that we both placed first in class. But the > victory lap > with the checkered flag was just as sweet. > > We raced one more time in the following years. I was sorry when he > left us a > couple of years ago, especially since one of his first race cars was > a TR6. > > Bob > > > > On Jun 24, 2012, at 22:02, marty sukey wrote: > >> Big thanks to all of you for your advice. I got it, hold the >> line! :) I > will >> try and put that to practice when I get my next engine together. It >> should >> actually make it easier for me to drive that way as I found myself >> concentrating too much on keeping out of other peoples way than >> proper > driving >> which I am sure did nothing for my lap times. I guess I just need >> to trust > the >> fact that you will find a way around me. I am sure that as my >> confidence > level >> grows that will be second nature. Thanks for tolerating me during my > learning >> curve. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Jody & Allen Washatko W51 N664 Highland Drive Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 617-6801 From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jun 25 12:04:06 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 13:04:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Marty... looks like you got all the verbal advice you need. I have also wanted to mention to you for a while... Since you are in Ohio (not exactly sure where), perhaps you'd like to consider coming to a Midwestern Council drivers school at Blackhawk Farms. Next one's Aug 25 and 26th You cannot beat that school for both knowledge gain and quality track time. Every possible race scenario is thrown at you and the instruction is top notch. Many of FoT's top drivers have started there. Let me know if you have interest in running ANY of our events and I will be happy to help you with anything you need. We've got a pretty good group of fellow FoT'ers out there. Some of them will actually help crew and fix your car.... for beer. Here's a link to the MCSCC website if you have any interest. http://www.mcscc.org/index.php Hope to see you out there sometime! Somehow I missed you and lost out on trying your home brew at the Mitty. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jun 25 15:53:06 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:53:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ? Message-ID: What is the best source for synchronizers for a TR close ratio box? Sent from my iPhone From triosan at gmail.com Mon Jun 25 16:12:42 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:12:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Presume you mean synchro rings. I just ordered those "expensive ones" from Moss -- will let you know how they compare to what I have [both from a TR4 and a late TR6 box]. They run about $35 each. Othrs have them from $6-12. Hope there is a difference. The rings on the box where the syncro hub destroyed itself needed to be replace. The ones in the TR4 box I bought for parts [hub and main shaft] were different from the TR6 ones. Chuck On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:53 PM, John Hasty wrote: > What is the best source for synchronizers for a TR close ratio box? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From garygret at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 25 16:13:53 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1340662433.68204.YahooMailRC@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'd vote for John Esposito, QuantumMechanics. A couple years ago I tried Moss and TRF ones but they had distressingly little friction on the cones new out of the package. John's felt nice and have worked nice for a couple seasons where others graunched in a couple races. http://www.quantumechanics.com/index.php Gary Schneider ________________________________ From: John Hasty To: FOT Sent: Mon, June 25, 2012 4:56:38 PM Subject: [Fot] ? What is the best source for synchronizers for a TR close ratio box? From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Jun 25 16:19:09 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:19:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question Message-ID: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> I discovered a problem with the transmission I built for my TR250. This is one of the first ones I ever rebuilt and I screwed up. I've discovered it has no reverse. Reverse is activated by a lever that engages in a slot in the reverse gear on one end and it engages into the shift rod at the other end. It pivots on what looks like a stud that protrudes through the housing with a big nyloc nut on the outside. My problem is that the lever is not engaged in the slot on the gear. I think I know the answer to this question, but I thought I would ask. Is there any way to get the lever lose so I can reposition it in the gear without disassembling the transmission. Or, is there any other way to fix this without a complete disassembly? TIA Larry Young From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Mon Jun 25 17:16:07 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:16:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Dual Valve Springs (Update) References: <217B40DB-5333-4B3D-9AAA-6584D4274AA5@yahoo.com> Message-ID: After using the cord method to keep the valves closed as recommended by Kas, I removed one very broken inner exhaust spring and a torn up shim in number 4. I did a leak down before I started and all was good. Surprised to find rubber valve seats and bronze guides! Then I noticed a few other inner springs that were suspect and ended up pulling the head. Found that 6 of 8 inner valve springs were broken. Pulled the lifters and found pitting on 3 lifter faces. I would expect that the previous owner's engine builder did not get the rocker geometry right or put together their own spring set up with the inners being a bit too long. At this point, I am going to replace/upgrade the lifters, get rid of the Paeco cam, and put in the Isky valve springs I got from Jim Gray so that I know what I have. Thx for the help folks. Ty >> >> > From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com >> > Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:10:15 -0600 >> > To: fot at autox.team.net >> > Subject: [Fot] Dual Valve Springs >> > >> > I had a miss at high rpms. My distributor had a lot of wobble at the top of >> > the shaft so replaced it. Although it ran stronger at low speeds, the miss at >> > high rpms was still there. I pulled the valve cover and found the number 4 >> > inner valve spring was broken. Thanks to Jim Gray (again) for suggesting I >> > check this. >> > >> > I am wondering what may have caused this. I am also wondering if I should >> > pull the head to see if it caused any damage but since it ran very smooth at >> > low rpms, I am thinking I was just getting some valve float at high rpms. >> > >> > I am going to replace all the springs at this point to make sure. I think I >> > can raise the piston to TDC for each cylinder, and use the valve spring >> > compressor for on head removal. Have others done spring replacements this way >> > or should I just pull the head? >> > >> > Finally, what springs do folks use? In searching the web, it seems rare to >> > see a valve spring break, but I have not heard what experiences other FOT >> > users have had. I have a Paeco 6600 rpm cam, titanium retainers, and chrome >> > moly push rods as well as a rebuilt rocker assembly, but those roller rockers >> > sure do look nice! >> > >> > Thanks in advance for your helpful advice and Happy Fathers Day to all the >> > dads out there. >> > >> > Ty >> > >> > >> > Sent from my iPad >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jun 25 17:16:47 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:16:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> References: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> Message-ID: Larry, I think you may be able to fix it by just taking of the top cover off. Speaking of the Gt6 box: I have fixed both of those problems with the trans in the car. The side stud definitely... One time, that side stud you speak of with the nyloc nut, just fell out during a race. I drove home and stole one out of my dad's trans, replaced it, refilled the fluid... and raced the next day. A good flashlight, tiny hands and lots of patience are needed but it can be done... As far as the lever at the top, that should also just be a matter of everything being lined up as you slide the top cover down into alignment over the gear. (there is only one spot it (the lever guided by a dowel pin) should be and you have to be very careful upon lowering it into place) Pretty sure you should be able to do it without taking anything out of the car but... Caution: not sure if all mentioned systems are the same with the 250...but yes on the GT6. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Larry Young wrote: > I discovered a problem with the transmission I built for my TR250. This > is one of the first ones I ever rebuilt and I screwed up. I've discovered > it has no reverse. Reverse is activated by a lever that engages in a slot > in the reverse gear on one end and it engages into the shift rod at the > other end. It pivots on what looks like a stud that protrudes through the > housing with a big nyloc nut on the outside. My problem is that the lever > is not engaged in the slot on the gear. I think I know the answer to this > question, but I thought I would ask. Is there any way to get the lever > lose so I can reposition it in the gear without disassembling the > transmission. Or, is there any other way to fix this without a complete > disassembly? TIA > Larry Young > ______________________________**_________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** > multivintage.com From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Jun 25 17:30:27 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:30:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: References: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4FE8F493.70005@pobox.com> My problem is not with the main shaft but with the little idler gear on the small reverse shaft. I need to get it positioned so it engages the lever. If you go to the online manual http://www.vtr.org/maintain/TransRebuild/TRTrans02.pdf and look at the late model transmission blow up. The lever I'm talking about is labeled #63. The bottom of that lever needs to engage in the slot on the reverse idler gear, #68. I remember these are always getting miss located during a rebuild and you need to wire it in place. I probably didn't know that when I built this one. There must be a clever way to fix this without a complete tear down. Larry On 6/25/2012 5:38 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > Larry, > Having done the getting small reverse in front of the large one on > the mainshaft several times in my recent rebuilt practice I can report > that I have been able to get it lined up such that I could move it > back to where it belongs without having to disassemble [I think -- > hope that was with rear bearing in]. > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Larry Young > wrote: > > I discovered a problem with the transmission I built for my TR250. > This is one of the first ones I ever rebuilt and I screwed up. > I've discovered it has no reverse. Reverse is activated by a > lever that engages in a slot in the reverse gear on one end and it > engages into the shift rod at the other end. It pivots on what > looks like a stud that protrudes through the housing with a big > nyloc nut on the outside. My problem is that the lever is not > engaged in the slot on the gear. I think I know the answer to > this question, but I thought I would ask. Is there any way to get > the lever lose so I can reposition it in the gear without > disassembling the transmission. Or, is there any other way to fix > this without a complete disassembly? TIA > Larry Young > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > > > > -- > Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jun 25 18:56:24 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:56:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Line question References: , <8EC6C507-1FAB-43B0-A371-2241049A0938@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Marty, a lot of good advice. Missed you Sunday, were you there? I had an 8:15 race and was done for the weekend. Had a good time: knocked 6 seconds off last year's time. Not bad! As a pal of mine says: if you can drive the car onto the trailer after your last race, it's a good weekend. Good seeing you at Mid Ohio. How's the engine thing coming? Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Line question > Big thanks to all of you for your advice. I got it, hold the line! :) I > will > try and put that to practice when I get my next engine together. It should > actually make it easier for me to drive that way as I found myself > concentrating too much on keeping out of other peoples way than proper > driving > which I am sure did nothing for my lap times. I guess I just need to trust > the > fact that you will find a way around me. I am sure that as my confidence > level > grows that will be second nature. Thanks for tolerating me during my > learning > curve. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jun 25 19:10:30 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:10:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine Message-ID: <000601cd5338$7b383e90$71a8bbb0$@com> This is just a "For What it's Worth" for those faced with replacing the wet liners. When I replaced the liners on our engine back in 2008 I had a difficult time measuring the .004 to .005 stick out above the block. Apparently I got it right because we had no problems. Shortly after finishing that job I saw an "indicator holder" that looked like it would make the job pretty simple and give accurate, repeatable results very quickly. The tool is made by Moroso, the part number is MOR-62050 and it can be seen at www.summitracing.com website. It's basically a "U" shaped bracket about 1 inch wide and 1/2 inch thick with 3 holes to mount an indicator in one of the 3 positions. It is just long enough to bridge the liner. With a 1 inch travel dial indicator mounted it was a simple matter to measure the stick out and get very repeatable results. I had zeroed the indicator on a ground bar so I had a good known zero. The bottoms of the "legs" of the "U" were milled surfaces that looked a bit rough so I polished them to a ground finish with emery and crocus cloth. The one concern I still have is that the top of our 50 year old block is not in the best of shape as far as being a "qualified surface" from which to make a measurement. The best I could do was to polish the block a little bit at the points the indicator holder sat on it. Tim From igofaster at att.net Mon Jun 25 19:26:04 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] scca Message-ID: <1340673964.34149.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> seems like the folks at SCCA thought I was experienced enough to by-pass the SCCA requirements to let me stand on my own record and incident free racing experiences... they issued me a LICENSE to race in SCCA.... now.... if I knew how to drive the GTA car I could really go out there and use it.... Bobby Whitehead From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jun 25 19:43:04 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:43:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine In-Reply-To: <000601cd5338$7b383e90$71a8bbb0$@com> References: <000601cd5338$7b383e90$71a8bbb0$@com> Message-ID: <0ad301cd533d$08b8ed60$1a2ac820$@rr.com> > It is > just long enough to bridge the liner. If it will only bridge the liner, how are you measuring to the block surface? Even if it will bridge the block side to side, it seems to me you wouldn't be checking the liner protrusion on both sides (which has proven to be a problem with my street engines). Some other thoughts: If your block surface is not flat to within .001" over short distances, you need a new block or at least a new surface. I've never had any trouble using a straight edge and feeler gauges. If you want to make it a bit easier, get a straight edge that is wide enough to stand up by itself. Hold it down with one thumb, and run a feeler gauge between it and the block deck. This is a TRactor motor, being off by .001" won't hurt. In my case, the protrusion was spot-on on one side; and nearly zero on the other side. I'm embarrassed to admit how many years it took me to figure out why I could never keep a head gasket sealed for more than a few months. -- Randall From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jun 25 19:57:08 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:57:08 +0000 Subject: [Fot] scca In-Reply-To: <1340673964.34149.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1340673964.34149.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <116865243-1340675826-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-671065733-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> Do just that, "use it" and abuse it. For me, I see it as a totally replaceble piece of machinery that I would drive at the absolute limit. I compare my driving now to my championship kart racing days... Its totally different. Now I care about my precious "irreplaceable" Triumph to much. It makes me too cautious, because I want to put it on the trailer unscathed after a race. When I raced Karts I never once thought about my kart making it back on the trailer looking good. I drove to win. Period. Drive that ugly, common, piece of sh#t to the absolute f'ing limit of adhesion. Win all your races in "GTA" and beat the snot out of it road warrior style. That's what I would do. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:26:04 To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] scca seems like the folks at SCCA thought I was experienced enough to by-pass the SCCA requirements to let me stand on my own record and incident free racing experiences... they issued me a LICENSE to race in SCCA.... now.... if I knew how to drive the GTA car I could really go out there and use it.... Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jun 25 20:33:50 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:33:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine In-Reply-To: <0ad301cd533d$08b8ed60$1a2ac820$@rr.com> References: <000601cd5338$7b383e90$71a8bbb0$@com> <0ad301cd533d$08b8ed60$1a2ac820$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000401cd5344$1f609fc0$5e21df40$@com> I sent some photos to Randall showing the use of the indicator holder. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:43 PM To: 'Tim Murphy'; fot at autox.team.net Cc: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov Subject: RE: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine > It is > just long enough to bridge the liner. If it will only bridge the liner, how are you measuring to the block surface? Even if it will bridge the block side to side, it seems to me you wouldn't be checking the liner protrusion on both sides (which has proven to be a problem with my street engines). Some other thoughts: If your block surface is not flat to within .001" over short distances, you need a new block or at least a new surface. I've never had any trouble using a straight edge and feeler gauges. If you want to make it a bit easier, get a straight edge that is wide enough to stand up by itself. Hold it down with one thumb, and run a feeler gauge between it and the block deck. This is a TRactor motor, being off by .001" won't hurt. In my case, the protrusion was spot-on on one side; and nearly zero on the other side. I'm embarrassed to admit how many years it took me to figure out why I could never keep a head gasket sealed for more than a few months. -- Randall From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Mon Jun 25 23:12:53 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , , <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, , , , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> Message-ID: <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Just wondered if anyone had experienced this and might know where this oil is coming from. Oil collects on the outside lip of the valve cover at the back of the engine. I have a new cap on the valve cover and the hose exit on the side of the valve cover is plumbed to a clear jar that collects no oil at all ever. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jim From garygret at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 25 23:39:50 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1340689190.84455.YahooMailRC@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Marty, I know you already had several replies in the same vein but I wanted to add kind of an exclamation mark. At an SCCA or MC school it is emphasized that you not only should, you MUST stay on your line when another car is overtaking or risk a black flag. You need to remain stable and predictable so the oncoming driver can get around you trusting where you'll be: he'll just set up his own line to be where you're not, quick and safe. There is a natural tendency to think it is polite to go off line to make way, but that can wreck cars. By veering off-line you become unpredictable and dangerous, forcing the passer to suddenly change his planned course and guess where you're going next. Plus by going into the marbles or pinching your line you risk spinning yourself out and getting T-boned. You make everyone's life smoother and safer by staying on-line. Regards, Gary Schneider ________________________________ From: marty sukey To: FOT Sent: Sun, June 24, 2012 9:13:53 AM Subject: [Fot] Line question Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of course :) Thanks, Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net From rjohns at woh.rr.com Mon Jun 25 23:05:14 2012 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:05:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 67, Issue 35 References: Message-ID: <29914EBA85EE406F8B43BC190021A2BB@Bucktailus> Re: Joe Alexander and FOT Team From R. Johns Joe was right on target with his mentioning that Jean and I were probably near by. We just got back from the TRA National at Little Switzerland, N.C. It was a great meet held at the Switzerland Inn, right next to the Blue Ridge Parkway. The alternate road to the Inn, N.C. 226 A, is called the Diamondback and is suggested for Motorcycles and Sports cars. It would make a great Hill Climb. The Inn was very nice and great food. It is recommended as a good get away destination. Bob Johns From clw2000 at msn.com Tue Jun 26 04:58:18 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:58:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] scca In-Reply-To: <1340673964.34149.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1340673964.34149.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ah yes, the "oh crap, they gave me what I asked for" feeling......I know it well! Good luck Bobby! Chuck > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:26:04 -0700 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] scca > > seems like the folks at SCCA thought I was experienced enough to by-pass the > SCCA requirements to let me stand on my own record and incident free racing > experiences... > they issued me a LICENSE to race in SCCA.... now.... if I knew how to drive the > GTA car I could really go out there and use it.... > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Tue Jun 26 05:15:20 2012 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:15:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Need to move a car from NE Ohio to Seattle Message-ID: <3F3C624131224A1588AD93C09B11AFBA@UserTHINK> List I need to move my sonbs car from NE Ohio to Seattle WA. so that I can have more space for my TR. Anyone headed that way? I can deliver it to as far west as Chicago area if need be. JVV From tr4.tony at virgin.net Tue Jun 26 05:16:54 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:16:54 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net> <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com> <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com> <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com> <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com> <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com> <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim This might be due to air pressure in the valve cover, indicating that you have some has leaking upward from the head / gasket. Some pressure is normal of course and it my be just that you are not venting enough air. If you're not using a big enough catch tank or pipes this will be the result as the point of least resistance is the valve cover gasket, so it blows first. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jun 2012, at 06:12, sherry robyn wrote: > Just wondered if anyone had experienced this and might know where this oil is > coming from. Oil collects on the outside lip of the valve cover at the back > of > the engine. I have a new cap on the valve cover and the hose exit on the > side > of the valve cover is plumbed to a clear jar that collects no oil at all > ever. > Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Jun 26 07:23:07 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:23:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Message-ID: <0EB613025398438481A43501F6F24741@owner8914bbf7f> Hi All, I got home from Mid Ohio and checked the mail. There's a great article in Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car August issue about the Spitfire. Actually several articles, one of which was penned by a Mike Cook. Name sounded kind of familiar. Isn't he a FOT member?! Good job Mike. Great writeups about the Spit. Cheers, Bill From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jun 26 08:08:59 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:08:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 67, Issue 35 In-Reply-To: <29914EBA85EE406F8B43BC190021A2BB@Bucktailus> References: <29914EBA85EE406F8B43BC190021A2BB@Bucktailus> Message-ID: Yea! We used to run time distance rallies up that road and stay at the lodge back in the 60's John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Johns Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 1:05 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 67, Issue 35 Re: Joe Alexander and FOT Team From R. Johns Joe was right on target with his mentioning that Jean and I were probably near by. We just got back from the TRA National at Little Switzerland, N.C. It was a great meet held at the Switzerland Inn, right next to the Blue Ridge Parkway. The alternate road to the Inn, N.C. 226 A, is called the Diamondback and is suggested for Motorcycles and Sports cars. It would make a great Hill Climb. The Inn was very nice and great food. It is recommended as a good get away destination. Bob Johns _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jun 26 08:11:35 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:11:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4EFBEE0BE9A4435599DA27EAD9C01405@gdhs.local> If you are running a fined aloy cover, I have found that some of them are a poor casting and they leak through the walls of the cover...... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sherry robyn Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 1:13 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover Just wondered if anyone had experienced this and might know where this oil is coming from. Oil collects on the outside lip of the valve cover at the back of the engine. I have a new cap on the valve cover and the hose exit on the side of the valve cover is plumbed to a clear jar that collects no oil at all ever. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jim _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From kaskas at cox.net Tue Jun 26 08:17:31 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:17:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine In-Reply-To: <0ad301cd533d$08b8ed60$1a2ac820$@rr.com> References: <000601cd5338$7b383e90$71a8bbb0$@com>, <0ad301cd533d$08b8ed60$1a2ac820$@rr.com> Message-ID: I do not remember ever measuring a sleeve where the dimensions proud were the same on each side. Oh well. Never be beaten by equipment > From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com > To: timmurph at fastbytes.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:43:04 -0700 > CC: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov > Subject: Re: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine > > > It is > > just long enough to bridge the liner. > > If it will only bridge the liner, how are you measuring to the block > surface? > > Even if it will bridge the block side to side, it seems to me you wouldn't > be checking the liner protrusion on both sides (which has proven to be a > problem with my street engines). > > Some other thoughts: > > If your block surface is not flat to within .001" over short distances, you > need a new block or at least a new surface. > > I've never had any trouble using a straight edge and feeler gauges. If you > want to make it a bit easier, get a straight edge that is wide enough to > stand up by itself. Hold it down with one thumb, and run a feeler gauge > between it and the block deck. This is a TRactor motor, being off by .001" > won't hurt. > > In my case, the protrusion was spot-on on one side; and nearly zero on the > other side. I'm embarrassed to admit how many years it took me to figure > out why I could never keep a head gasket sealed for more than a few months. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From mlcooknj at msn.com Tue Jun 26 08:30:10 2012 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:30:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire In-Reply-To: <0EB613025398438481A43501F6F24741@owner8914bbf7f> References: <0EB613025398438481A43501F6F24741@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: Thanks Bill but I didn't actually write it! Credit goes to Mark McCourt, their Associate Editor, who came down to interview me and get pictures. Mike > From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:23:07 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire > > Hi All, > I got home from Mid Ohio and checked the mail. > There's a great article in Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car August issue about the > Spitfire. Actually several articles, one of which was penned by a Mike Cook. > Name sounded kind of familiar. Isn't he a FOT member?! > Good job Mike. > Great writeups about the Spit. > Cheers, Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue Jun 26 08:40:55 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:40:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> Jim, I race a 69 TR6 with a chrome valve cover and I see that oil quite a bit. My steel cover is not porous and the only place I can point to is the three seals on top of the cover. I also use a silicone gasket and know its not leaking there. I also have an auxiliary oil feed to the head, which increases oil flow under the cover. I did have a good seal once and it was using a faucet washer that I drilled out the center to fit snugly over the bolt. I'm now using the seals that came with the silicone gasket because they are easier to take off, they are 2 SS washers with seals on them, one on the bottom and one on the inside. The only other point I'd guess it's coming from is the hose where it attaches to the valve cover, but mine is a real tight seal. Good luck and it'll be interesting what theories come up. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 10:12 PM Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover > Just wondered if anyone had experienced this and might know where this oil > is > coming from. Oil collects on the outside lip of the valve cover at the > back > of > the engine. I have a new cap on the valve cover and the hose exit on the > side > of the valve cover is plumbed to a clear jar that collects no oil at all > ever. > Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jun 26 08:47:23 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:47:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: References: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4FE9CB7B.20301@pobox.com> Jason, I have taken that outer nut off, double nutted it and tried to turn the stud. I cannot get it to budge. How do you get it out? I'm not clear about how that part goes together, since that is not something I ever bother with during a rebuild. It looks like it has threads on both ends with a shoulder in the center. Unless I can get that stud out, I can only think of getting the shaft lose at the back ot the tranny and sliding it out to engage the reverse gear. That would mean taking the OD off the back or at least creating enough separation to losen the screw that locks the reverse shaft and lay shaft in position. I repeat, engagement in the top cover is easy and not my problem. Larry On 6/25/2012 6:16 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Larry, > I think you may be able to fix it by just taking of the top cover off. > Speaking of the Gt6 box: I have fixed both of those problems with the > trans in the car. The side stud definitely... One time, that side stud > you speak of with the nyloc nut, just fell out during a race. I drove > home and stole one out of my dad's trans, replaced it, refilled the > fluid... and raced the next day. A good flashlight, tiny hands and > lots of patience are needed but it can be done... From ponobill at gmail.com Tue Jun 26 09:06:09 2012 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:06:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine In-Reply-To: References: <000601cd5338$7b383e90$71a8bbb0$@com>, <0ad301cd533d$08b8ed60$1a2ac820$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4AE85196-ABD0-4095-B9E9-290CA9362CF4@bnj.com> Me neither. I've never viewed that as an opportunity for precision. As long as it catches my fingernail all the way around, and not a lot more than that, I figured it's good. On Jun 26, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > I do not remember ever measuring a sleeve where the dimensions proud were the > same on each side. Oh well. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com >> To: timmurph at fastbytes.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:43:04 -0700 >> CC: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the > TR4 engine >> >>> It is >>> just long enough to bridge the liner. >> >> If it will only bridge the liner, how are you measuring to the block >> surface? >> >> Even if it will bridge the block side to side, it seems to me you wouldn't >> be checking the liner protrusion on both sides (which has proven to be a >> problem with my street engines). >> >> Some other thoughts: >> >> If your block surface is not flat to within .001" over short distances, you >> need a new block or at least a new surface. >> >> I've never had any trouble using a straight edge and feeler gauges. If you >> want to make it a bit easier, get a straight edge that is wide enough to >> stand up by itself. Hold it down with one thumb, and run a feeler gauge >> between it and the block deck. This is a TRactor motor, being off by .001" >> won't hurt. >> >> In my case, the protrusion was spot-on on one side; and nearly zero on the >> other side. I'm embarrassed to admit how many years it took me to figure >> out why I could never keep a head gasket sealed for more than a few months. >> >> -- Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue Jun 26 09:11:47 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:11:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> Message-ID: <364E2143-B746-44CD-A5D8-9C8559E3B19C@gmail.com> Jim, You might try this type of washer, an aluminum washer with a bonded-on split O-ring. The O-ring protrudes on either side of the washer. I use these to seal up my Morgan's Moss gearbox. Hopefully the url will come through if written thus: tinyurl dot com (slash) 6qz79j9 . This is likely not the right diameter, but the website carries other ID washers. Also, might oil be wicking up the threads of the fastener? Duncan (Texas) > > > >> Just wondered if anyone had experienced this and might know where this oil is >> coming from. Oil collects on the outside lip of the valve cover at the back >> of >> the engine. I have a new cap on the valve cover and the hose exit on the >> side >> of the valve cover is plumbed to a clear jar that collects no oil at all >> ever. >> Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jim From chasgee at aol.com Tue Jun 26 09:16:46 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:16:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <4FE9CB7B.20301@pobox.com> References: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> <4FE9CB7B.20301@pobox.com> Message-ID: <3A6E572C-06F2-4608-A367-A35A27660C3B@aol.com> That stud is splined into the case. You won't be able to turn it. I think you will have to pull off the rear housing, slide the reverse gear shaft out, and make sure it goes back together with the lever properly engaged with the reverse gear. Good luck! Chuck On Jun 26, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Larry Young wrote: > Jason, I have taken that outer nut off, double nutted it and tried to turn the stud. I cannot get it to budge. How do you get it out? I'm not clear about how that part goes together, since that is not something I ever bother with during a rebuild. It looks like it has threads on both ends with a shoulder in the center. > > Unless I can get that stud out, I can only think of getting the shaft lose at the back ot the tranny and sliding it out to engage the reverse gear. That would mean taking the OD off the back or at least creating enough separation to losen the screw that locks the reverse shaft and lay shaft in position. > > I repeat, engagement in the top cover is easy and not my problem. > Larry > > On 6/25/2012 6:16 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: >> Larry, >> I think you may be able to fix it by just taking of the top cover off. >> Speaking of the Gt6 box: I have fixed both of those problems with the trans in the car. The side stud definitely... One time, that side stud you speak of with the nyloc nut, just fell out during a race. I drove home and stole one out of my dad's trans, replaced it, refilled the fluid... and raced the next day. A good flashlight, tiny hands and lots of patience are needed but it can be done... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From jason at multivintage.com Tue Jun 26 09:17:22 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:17:22 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question Message-ID: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> Got it. Top is ok, your after the lower lever Mine came out and went in as a whole piece. Kind of like a bolt. In fact I almost, in a pinch replaced it with a regular bolt but then wondered about the proper length, etc . You'll have to get that stud out. Perhaps some heat and good tight vise grips and replace the stud once you get it out. As you say, I can't see you getting the movement you need without extracting the stud. Being threaded inside the shaft and the side of the case (I can't remember exactly, but believe it may step down in thread size slipping through the case) but threading into the rod. I could see it being really stuck but she'll come out. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Larry Young To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission Question Sent: Jun 26, 2012 9:47 AM Jason, I have taken that outer nut off, double nutted it and tried to turn the stud. I cannot get it to budge. How do you get it out? I'm not clear about how that part goes together, since that is not something I ever bother with during a rebuild. It looks like it has threads on both ends with a shoulder in the center. Unless I can get that stud out, I can only think of getting the shaft lose at the back ot the tranny and sliding it out to engage the reverse gear. That would mean taking the OD off the back or at least creating enough separation to losen the screw that locks the reverse shaft and lay shaft in position. I repeat, engagement in the top cover is easy and not my problem. Larry On 6/25/2012 6:16 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Larry, > I think you may be able to fix it by just taking of the top cover off. > Speaking of the Gt6 box: I have fixed both of those problems with the > trans in the car. The side stud definitely... One time, that side stud > you speak of with the nyloc nut, just fell out during a race. I drove > home and stole one out of my dad's trans, replaced it, refilled the > fluid... and raced the next day. A good flashlight, tiny hands and > lots of patience are needed but it can be done... > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From jason at multivintage.com Tue Jun 26 09:26:50 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:26:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <3A6E572C-06F2-4608-A367-A35A27660C3B@aol.com> References: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> <4FE9CB7B.20301@pobox.com> <3A6E572C-06F2-4608-A367-A35A27660C3B@aol.com> Message-ID: <1800409692-1340724410-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1623669863-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> Well, interesting, Chuck says it doesn't come out. Perhaps, mine is different? I've removed it from more than one and replaced it to work o.k. Maybe messing with another spare unit will give you more helpful clues Good luck from me to. I'd like to know what you find in the end. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: chasgee at aol.com Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:16:46 To: Larry Young Cc: Jason Ostrowski; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission Question That stud is splined into the case. You won't be able to turn it. I think you will have to pull off the rear housing, slide the reverse gear shaft out, and make sure it goes back together with the lever properly engaged with the reverse gear. Good luck! Chuck On Jun 26, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Larry Young wrote: > Jason, I have taken that outer nut off, double nutted it and tried to turn the stud. I cannot get it to budge. How do you get it out? I'm not clear about how that part goes together, since that is not something I ever bother with during a rebuild. It looks like it has threads on both ends with a shoulder in the center. > > Unless I can get that stud out, I can only think of getting the shaft lose at the back ot the tranny and sliding it out to engage the reverse gear. That would mean taking the OD off the back or at least creating enough separation to losen the screw that locks the reverse shaft and lay shaft in position. > > I repeat, engagement in the top cover is easy and not my problem. > Larry > > On 6/25/2012 6:16 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: >> Larry, >> I think you may be able to fix it by just taking of the top cover off. >> Speaking of the Gt6 box: I have fixed both of those problems with the trans in the car. The side stud definitely... One time, that side stud you speak of with the nyloc nut, just fell out during a race. I drove home and stole one out of my dad's trans, replaced it, refilled the fluid... and raced the next day. A good flashlight, tiny hands and lots of patience are needed but it can be done... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Jun 26 09:29:09 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:29:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine In-Reply-To: <000401cd5344$1f609fc0$5e21df40$@com> References: <000601cd5338$7b383e90$71a8bbb0$@com><0ad301cd533d$08b8ed60$1a2ac820$@rr.com> <000401cd5344$1f609fc0$5e21df40$@com> Message-ID: <077c01cd53b0$6eb270f0$0601a8c0@randall> > I sent some photos to Randall showing the use of the indicator holder. Thanks, Tim. What Tim's photos show (and I stupidly didn't understand) is that the legs of the holder can rest on the block surface on either side, while the indicator mounted in one of the side holes (near one of the legs of the holder) rests on top of the liner next to the side. By reversing the bracket, the indicator measures the other side of the liner. I was thinking in terms of the holder I have, which is only tapped for the indicator in the center and will only (about) reach from side to side of the liner, not out to the block deck. (It was cheap at a yard sale, I only bought it for the indicator.) -- Randall From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Jun 26 09:47:25 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> References: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <8CF21CA1DCCD28C-CF8-19212@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> I missed the original post. Is the issue with the reverse lever pivot pin? If so, the stud is pressed in, the outer locknut comes off, whack, the assembly comes out from the inside. Glen -----Original Message----- From: jason To: Larry Young Cc: FOT Sent: Tue, Jun 26, 2012 11:30 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission Question Got it. Top is ok, your after the lower lever Mine came out and went in as a whole piece. Kind of like a bolt. In fact I almost, in a pinch replaced it with a regular bolt but then wondered about the proper length, etc . You'll have to get that stud out. Perhaps some heat and good tight vise grips and replace the stud once you get it out. As you say, I can't see you getting the movement you need without extracting the stud. Being threaded inside the shaft and the side of the case (I can't remember exactly, but believe it may step down in thread size slipping through the case) but threading into the rod. I could see it being really stuck but she'll come out. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Larry Young To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission Question Sent: Jun 26, 2012 9:47 AM Jason, I have taken that outer nut off, double nutted it and tried to turn the stud. I cannot get it to budge. How do you get it out? I'm not clear about how that part goes together, since that is not something I ever bother with during a rebuild. It looks like it has threads on both ends with a shoulder in the center. Unless I can get that stud out, I can only think of getting the shaft lose at the back ot the tranny and sliding it out to engage the reverse gear. That would mean taking the OD off the back or at least creating enough separation to losen the screw that locks the reverse shaft and lay shaft in position. I repeat, engagement in the top cover is easy and not my problem. Larry On 6/25/2012 6:16 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Larry, > I think you may be able to fix it by just taking of the top cover off. > Speaking of the Gt6 box: I have fixed both of those problems with the > trans in the car. The side stud definitely... One time, that side stud > you speak of with the nyloc nut, just fell out during a race. I drove > home and stole one out of my dad's trans, replaced it, refilled the > fluid... and raced the next day. A good flashlight, tiny hands and > lots of patience are needed but it can be done... > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From chasgee at aol.com Tue Jun 26 09:58:36 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:58:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> References: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <19DD41FD-224A-4F44-8E07-EE959827DBAF@aol.com> The TR4/6 and the GT6/Spitfire/4 speed Tr7 boxes are different. The lever is threaded onto the shaft on the TR box and you have to hammer it into the box to remove it. It isn't that hard to take the rear housing off. You can fix it in about 30 minutes. On Jun 26, 2012, at 8:17 AM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > Got it. Top is ok, your after the lower lever > Mine came out and went in as a whole piece. Kind of like a bolt. In fact I almost, in a pinch replaced it with a regular bolt but then wondered about the proper length, etc . > You'll have to get that stud out. > Perhaps some heat and good tight vise grips and replace the stud once you get it out. > As you say, I can't see you getting the movement you need without extracting the stud. Being threaded inside the shaft and the side of the case (I can't remember exactly, but believe it may step down in thread size slipping through the case) but threading into the rod. > I could see it being really stuck but she'll come out. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > > ------Original Message------ > From: Larry Young > To: Jason Ostrowski > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission Question > Sent: Jun 26, 2012 9:47 AM > > Jason, I have taken that outer nut off, double nutted it and tried to > turn the stud. I cannot get it to budge. How do you get it out? I'm > not clear about how that part goes together, since that is not something > I ever bother with during a rebuild. It looks like it has threads on > both ends with a shoulder in the center. > > Unless I can get that stud out, I can only think of getting the shaft > lose at the back ot the tranny and sliding it out to engage the reverse > gear. That would mean taking the OD off the back or at least creating > enough separation to losen the screw that locks the reverse shaft and > lay shaft in position. > > I repeat, engagement in the top cover is easy and not my problem. > Larry > > On 6/25/2012 6:16 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: >> Larry, >> I think you may be able to fix it by just taking of the top cover off. >> Speaking of the Gt6 box: I have fixed both of those problems with the >> trans in the car. The side stud definitely... One time, that side stud >> you speak of with the nyloc nut, just fell out during a race. I drove >> home and stole one out of my dad's trans, replaced it, refilled the >> fluid... and raced the next day. A good flashlight, tiny hands and >> lots of patience are needed but it can be done... >> > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Jun 26 11:55:38 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:55:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <8CF21CA1DCCD28C-CF8-19212@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> References: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CF21CA1DCCD28C-CF8-19212@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001cd53c4$e5c94240$b15bc6c0$@rr.com> > Is the issue with the reverse lever pivot pin? > If so, the stud is pressed in, the outer locknut comes off, whack, the > assembly comes out from the inside. The original question was basically "Can that be done without removing the reverse gear and shaft?" I think the answer is "no", but I'm not certain, never tried it myself. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever removed the lever at all. -- Randall From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jun 26 12:12:11 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:12:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <3A6E572C-06F2-4608-A367-A35A27660C3B@aol.com> References: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> <4FE9CB7B.20301@pobox.com> <3A6E572C-06F2-4608-A367-A35A27660C3B@aol.com> Message-ID: <4FE9FB7B.3080500@pobox.com> Yeah, I played around with a spare transmission and found I could tap that stud into the box, but it won't come all the way out unless the main shaft is out of the car. I agree with Chuck and several others, the only way is to get the reverse idler shaft lose so I can slide the gear off, then put it back on with it engaged in the lever. Stupid mistake, which I am paying for. Should be an easy fix after the tranny is out, but I absolutely hate mounting the overdrive on the back. On 6/26/2012 10:16 AM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > That stud is splined into the case. You won't be able to turn it. I think you will have to pull off the rear housing, slide the reverse gear shaft out, and make sure it goes back together with the lever properly engaged with the reverse gear. > > Good luck! > > Chuck > > O From jason at multivintage.com Tue Jun 26 14:09:50 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:09:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Classic Race recap (delayed) Message-ID: Midwestern Fot'ers braved the intense sun and blistering heat at the 20th running of the "Blackhawk Classic" Socially, it was a great time as 3 generations of Triumph lovers gathered around campfires and grills. A fun group of kids (3 years- teenagers) pal around rooting for their Dad's. The Alexander's celebrated a Triumphant 20 year anniversary of racing together as a family. Joe Alexander was a very proud Papa as he was presented with a beautiful plaque at a family dinner commemorating 20 years of awesomeness that has snowballed into a quite nice family business. Congratulations A.R.E. on 20 years! Here's to another 20! Group 2 action was pretty fierce as the buzz of some half dozen terrifyingly fast bug eyes filled the grid ahead of our guys. Some very fast cars tiny cars were out there! Tony's video shows that the guys at the front meant business. There was never a dull moment from the spectators point of view as there was great racing going on all the way back to the final position. I got real nervous for Wismer in his choice Talisman as a BRG MGB went wide coming out of turn 5 and slid through the grass right next to Bob totally on the edge... any steering twitch (from the MGB) would have been disastrous for the beady eyed racer... a little too close for comfort. Scott Barr was a bit off his usual pace but was out there mid-pack with a motor he finished putting together just prior to leaving for the track. Tom Strange was seen tweaking Valves and Springs and fine tuning the new set-up several times throughout the weekend. Sean Alexander had one of his first off track excursions in many years. Apparently getting a little crazy in turn 1 having a good ride through the grass leaving some creative tire management options as they headed to the grid "the lone Triumph" for the Enduro. With help from brother Mark at the wheel, they completed more laps during the weekend than any other Triumph in their well worked #197. In spite of his spin in turn 7, the new orange TR3 driven by Andrew Williams looks solid and has real promise to become a contender in our ranks. Looking Good! Red Wire wheels-a-rollin...Ken Suhre was back in the saddle, driving a real classic vintage looking 1961 TR4. The beady eyed guys hung out towards the back, making no excuses, as usual having fun and hauling mail in their 2 beautiful and legitimately "period correct" prepped cars. John Holton was back there as well, but intermittently and short on laps. His car is a real treat for the eyes... a double bubble topped Triumph powered Kellison (REALLY neat car)...but suffering on the mechanical end on this Father's day. The Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+, alone in group 8 was dealing with Alfas, Datsuns and of note had an epic battle with a rather Gigantic Boss Mustang. I was back and forth with this guy a couple times per lap... able to out break him into all of the fast corners as he was passing me on the end of the straights. I had him hounding me all the way around the track. Against my better judgement I looked past the smoke coming from the rear for the first two laps of the sprint race on Saturday. The smoke stopped on the end of the second lap. I kept pressing on kind of knowing it was not going to end well. I just couldn't get myself to pull in as I saw people in turn 1 raising their fists and cheering as my little car pounded a ground pounder. I have to say it was probably the most fun 8 laps I have had yet... at no small cost my weekend ended with 1 lap to go... a day early. DNF and broken rather significantly, the destroyed and terribly stinky rear end obnoxiously fogged our pit area for the rest of the evening. Safe to say good time was had by all. Our Triumph cars and driver's sorted on weekend's best Time 1. Tony Drews TR4 1:28.255 2. Jason Ostrowski GT6+ 1:28.332 3. Sean/Mark Alexander TR4A 1:29.410 4. Scott Barr Spitfire 1:33.367 5. Andrew Williams TR3A 1:33.883 6. Kenneth Suhre TR4 1:40..904 7. Bill Dentinger TR3A 1:44.625 8. Bob Wismer Talisman 1:45.129 9. John Houlton Kellison 1:54.000 Race report respectfully submitted by Jason Ostrowski, Friendly Ghost Racing From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jun 26 14:13:44 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:13:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> Message-ID: <4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> There is a Honda Goldwing valve cover seal that is a perfect fit for the stock TR valve covers, I know I have the part number written down somewhere. I am fairly certain that Ted S. also sells them. This is one area where too many people think that if a little is good, more is better. I've seen a LOT of distorted valve covers due to overtightening. mjb. From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jun 26 18:04:16 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:04:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <000001cd53c4$e5c94240$b15bc6c0$@rr.com> References: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CF21CA1DCCD28C-CF8-19212@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd53c4$e5c94240$b15bc6c0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4FEA4E00.2060004@pobox.com> Yes, I played around with a spare transmission. The stud can be moved a bit, both the reverse idler gear and the reverse gear on the main shaft prevent it from coming all the way out. I'm always hoping for an easy way out. As it turned out, two of my Triumph buddies, John Phillips and Sam Clark, came over and helped me out of this dilemma. It didn't really take as long as you would think. We pulled the transmission and OD. Pulled the OD off the back. Removed the adapter plate. Removed the small metal plate that locks the counter shaft and reverse shaft in position. Slid the reverse shaft back until the gear was lose. Used a magnet to work the gear into the lever and align it with the reverse shaft. Slid the shaft back in. Reattached the locking plate. Bolted the OD back on and stuck it back into the car. In the OD repair manual at vtr.org, Sam and I suggested mounting the OD and transmission when in a vertical position. This keeps the two splines from becoming misaligned. We used that method today and it worked beautifully. Mounted the OD vertically with the rear flange on a piece of wood. Dropped the transmission into it and tightened it down without a hitch. The worst problem we had was getting the tranny/OD back into the car. That took a couple of hours of jacking around. But eventually, the transmission relented. This car is the TR250 I've had since it was new. It served as the get away car for my wedding in 1970 and Tom's (my oldest sons) wedding in 2008. We are trying to get it restored (or at least semi-restored) for my other son (Matt's) wedding in a couple of weeks in Milwaukee. I thought this problem had blown us out of the water, but with the help of my Triumph friends, I think we still have a good chance of having it there. Thanks, Larry Young On 6/26/2012 12:55 PM, Randall wrote: > The original question was basically "Can that be done without removing the > reverse gear and shaft?" > > I think the answer is "no", but I'm not certain, never tried it myself. In > fact, I'm not sure I've ever removed the lever at all. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________'s > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Jun 27 10:07:12 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <1964411549.1352256.1340813154977.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hey FoT, I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local shops about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three inquiries all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I bring the car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I was the one that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet and just don't know it. Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. Jim G. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jun 27 10:33:05 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:33:05 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1964411549.1352256.1340813154977.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <004601cd5482$8827be00$98773a00$@com> I really don't care about this issue. New brake shoes don't fit either and I need them badly because I do most of the braking on the rear brakes. But the rear brakes seem to do well anyway, so I don't bother with reaching the shoes. I install them and here we go. Look how black my rear wheels are: http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/579965_10151484114780715_1140 715849_n.jpg Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Juni 2012 18:07 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching Hey FoT, I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local shops about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three inquiries all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I bring the car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I was the one that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet and just don't know it. Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Wed Jun 27 10:37:18 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:37:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Good luck with that. I haven't seen one of those tools in 40 years! I used one of these in a shop when we would actually reline shoes with material which was very thick and you would radius the shoes on the machine which was basically a sanding wheel. The normal cut on a drum would be about 010 to 020 and the new shoes should bed in okay. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:07 AM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching Hey FoT, I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local shops about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three inquiries all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I bring the car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I was the one that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet and just don't know it. Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jun 27 12:01:40 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 14:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <4FEA4E00.2060004@pobox.com> References: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CF21CA1DCCD28C-CF8-19212@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd53c4$e5c94240$b15bc6c0$@rr.com> <4FEA4E00.2060004@pobox.com> Message-ID: <8CF22A609B3BE2E-2AF4-21E07@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> The TR3A has been used for sons weddings and my own. Make it a bit more special. Larry, if you come up I-35, you can roll on up to four lane highway 20 and swing into Jesup, then make a quick stop at the FIELD OF DREAMS. Then it is a quick trip on four lane 151 going to Milwaukee. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young To: fot Cc: Rob Trippet ; John Phillips ; Tom Young Sent: Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission Question Yes, I played around with a spare transmission. The stud can be moved a bit, both the reverse idler gear and the reverse gear on the main shaft prevent it from coming all the way out. I'm always hoping for an easy way out. As it turned out, two of my Triumph buddies, John Phillips and Sam Clark, came over and helped me out of this dilemma. It didn't really take as long as you would think. We pulled the transmission and OD. Pulled the OD off the back. Removed the adapter plate. Removed the small metal plate that locks the counter shaft and reverse shaft in position. Slid the reverse shaft back until the gear was lose. Used a magnet to work the gear into the lever and align it with the reverse shaft. Slid the shaft back in. Reattached the locking plate. Bolted the OD back on and stuck it back into the car. In the OD repair manual at vtr.org, Sam and I suggested mounting the OD and transmission when in a vertical position. This keeps the two splines from becoming misaligned. We used that method today and it worked beautifully. Mounted the OD vertically with the rear flange on a piece of wood. Dropped the transmission into it and tightened it down without a hitch. The worst problem we had was getting the tranny/OD back into the car. That took a couple of hours of jacking around. But eventually, the transmission relented. This car is the TR250 I've had since it was new. It served as the get away car for my wedding in 1970 and Tom's (my oldest sons) wedding in 2008. We are trying to get it restored (or at least semi-restored) for my other son (Matt's) wedding in a couple of weeks in Milwaukee. I thought this problem had blown us out of the water, but with the help of my Triumph friends, I think we still have a good chance of having it there. Thanks, Larry Young On 6/26/2012 12:55 PM, Randall wrote: > The original question was basically "Can that be done without removing the > reverse gear and shaft?" > > I think the answer is "no", but I'm not certain, never tried it myself. In > fact, I'm not sure I've ever removed the lever at all. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________'s > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed Jun 27 13:21:14 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:21:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching References: Message-ID: One of the machines used was an AMMCO Safe Arc Brake shoe grinder. I just happen to have one in my garage. Only problem is that I'm missing a couple of adapters. I've played around with it, but can't seem to get the process right. The shoe gets clamped in a fixture and is moved toward a spinning sanding drum to take off lining material. The lining is supposed to be ground to match the drum. In the late '60's when I was working for a Pontiac garage, we would punch out the old lining rivets, and install new lining and rivet them on with an old foot-operated press punch setup. Worked OK. A friend still has a rivet tool; he re-lines clutches and such on his old tractors. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Yott" To: ; "'fot'" Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching > Good luck with that. I haven't seen one of those tools in 40 years! I > used > one of these in a shop when we would actually reline shoes with material > which was very thick and you would radius the shoes on the machine which > was > basically a sanding wheel. The normal cut on a drum would be about 010 to > 020 and the new shoes should bed in okay. > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:07 AM > To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching > > Hey FoT, > > I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local > shops > > about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three > inquiries > > all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I > bring > the > > car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I > was > the one > > that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet > and just > > don't know it. > > Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. > > Jim G. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From peter at nosimport.com Wed Jun 27 14:24:14 2012 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:24:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: References: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20120627202419.A548DF44079@mx2.netinteraction.com> www.brakeplace.com in Minneapolis is quite adept. Click on their "machine shop" tab. Peter C === At 11:37 AM 6/27/2012, Steve Yott wrote: >Good luck with that. I haven't seen one of those tools in 40 years! I used >one of these in a shop when we would actually reline shoes with material >which was very thick and you would radius the shoes on the machine which was >basically a sanding wheel. The normal cut on a drum would be about 010 to >020 and the new shoes should bed in okay. > >Steve Yott > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net >Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:07 AM >To: fot >Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching > >Hey FoT, > >I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local shops > >about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three >inquiries > >all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I bring >the > >car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I was >the one > >that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet >and just > >don't know it. > >Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. > >Jim G. From tr4 at wi.rr.com Wed Jun 27 16:35:29 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:35:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <20120627202419.A548DF44079@mx2.netinteraction.com> Message-ID: <8B.90.21135.3BA8BEF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> A dying breed! I looked up machines in EBay and there are about 4 of them for sale! Steve -----Original Message----- From: Peter Caldwell [mailto:peter at nosimport.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:24 PM To: tr4 at wi.rr.com; toodamnfunky at comcast.net; 'fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching www.brakeplace.com in Minneapolis is quite adept. Click on their "machine shop" tab. Peter C === At 11:37 AM 6/27/2012, Steve Yott wrote: >Good luck with that. I haven't seen one of those tools in 40 years! I >used one of these in a shop when we would actually reline shoes with >material which was very thick and you would radius the shoes on the >machine which was basically a sanding wheel. The normal cut on a drum >would be about 010 to 020 and the new shoes should bed in okay. > >Steve Yott > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net >Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:07 AM >To: fot >Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching > >Hey FoT, > >I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local >shops > >about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three >inquiries > >all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I >bring the > >car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought >I was the one > >that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another >planet and just > >don't know it. > >Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. > >Jim G. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Jun 27 16:57:25 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 22:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <8B.90.21135.3BA8BEF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <1165978716.1369893.1340837845367.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I think I will just let it go as most, if not all seem to do. I'll just let them wear naturally until they conform. Thanks for all the input, as always, jim g. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Yott" To: "Peter Caldwell" , toodamnfunky at comcast.net, "fot" Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:35:29 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching A dying breed! B I looked up machines in EBay and there are about 4 of them for sale! Steve -----Original Message----- From: Peter Caldwell [mailto:peter at nosimport.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:24 PM To: tr4 at wi.rr.com; toodamnfunky at comcast.net; 'fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching www.brakeplace.com in Minneapolis is quite adept. B Click on their "machine shop" tab. B B B B B Peter C === At 11:37 AM 6/27/2012, Steve Yott wrote: >Good luck with that. B I haven't seen one of those tools in 40 years! B I >used one of these in a shop when we would actually reline shoes with >material which was very thick and you would radius the shoes on the >machine which was basically a sanding wheel. B The normal cut on a drum >would be about 010 to 020 and the new shoes should bed in okay. > >Steve Yott > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net >Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:07 AM >To: fot >Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching > >Hey FoT, > >I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local >shops > >about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three >inquiries > >all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I >bring the > >car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought >I was the one > >that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another >planet and just > >don't know it. > >Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. > >Jim G. From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Wed Jun 27 22:44:49 2012 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 21:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1964411549.1352256.1340813154977.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1340858689.57797.YahooMailNeo@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Jim; Otts Friction Supply in Portland Oregon arches the shoes as a matter of course. I had them reline my 10" rear shoes and the arched them to the drums. They do top fuel clutches and giant brakes for fishing boats and large anchor stops. Mike ________________________________ From: "toodamnfunky at comcast.net" To: fot Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching Hey FoT, I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local shops about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three inquiries all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I bring the car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I was the one that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet and just don't know it. Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com From fubog1 at aol.com Thu Jun 28 06:45:54 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] paging Bob Davis spring info Message-ID: <8CF234317799DAA-CF8-241CD@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> sorry to bomb the list Bob- V657 GT-6 Competition spring (source BL special tuning data bulletin JAN78) HTH Glen From cartravel at pobox.com Thu Jun 28 17:25:25 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:25:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question - more In-Reply-To: <4FEA4E00.2060004@pobox.com> References: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CF21CA1DCCD28C-CF8-19212@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd53c4$e5c94240$b15bc6c0$@rr.com> <4FEA4E00.2060004@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4FECE7E5.6080402@pobox.com> And then there is the rest of the story. We checked this thing out manually, before stuffing it back in the car. I checked it out on jack stands and it shifted through all the gears, including reverse. I backed it out of my garage and drove it onto the trailer to take it back to the body shop for some panel alignment. Then there was no longer any reverse. I haven't pulled the top cover off yet, but am willing to bet the gear is no longer engaged in the shifter lever. Has anyone else had this problem? How did you fix it? Having tried to figure an easy way to get it reengaged, I can't imagine how it got out. This should be a very interesting problem, but not one that I really wanted right now. My only thought is that there is a chunk out of the side of the gear, but I can't believe we would not have noticed that. Larry On 6/26/2012 7:04 PM, Larry Young wrote: > Yes, I played around with a spare transmission. The stud can be moved > a bit, both the reverse idler gear and the reverse gear on the main > shaft prevent it from coming all the way out. I'm always hoping for > an easy way out. > > As it turned out, two of my Triumph buddies, John Phillips and Sam > Clark, came over and helped me out of this dilemma. It didn't really > take as long as you would think. We pulled the transmission and OD. > Pulled the OD off the back. Removed the adapter plate. Removed the > small metal plate that locks the counter shaft and reverse shaft in > position. Slid the reverse shaft back until the gear was lose. Used > a magnet to work the gear into the lever and align it with the reverse > shaft. Slid the shaft back in. Reattached the locking plate. > Bolted the OD back on and stuck it back into the car. > > In the OD repair manual at vtr.org, Sam and I suggested mounting the > OD and transmission when in a vertical position. This keeps the two > splines from becoming misaligned. We used that method today and it > worked beautifully. Mounted the OD vertically with the rear flange on > a piece of wood. Dropped the transmission into it and tightened it > down without a hitch. The worst problem we had was getting the > tranny/OD back into the car. That took a couple of hours of jacking > around. But eventually, the transmission relented. > > This car is the TR250 I've had since it was new. It served as the get > away car for my wedding in 1970 and Tom's (my oldest sons) wedding in > 2008. We are trying to get it restored (or at least semi-restored) > for my other son (Matt's) wedding in a couple of weeks in Milwaukee. I > thought this problem had blown us out of the water, but with the help > of my Triumph friends, I think we still have a good chance of having > it there. > > Thanks, > Larry Young > > On 6/26/2012 12:55 PM, Randall wrote: >> The original question was basically "Can that be done without >> removing the >> reverse gear and shaft?" >> >> I think the answer is "no", but I'm not certain, never tried it >> myself. In >> fact, I'm not sure I've ever removed the lever at all. >> >> -- Randall >> _______________________________________________'s >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Thu Jun 28 20:19:28 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:19:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question - more In-Reply-To: <4FECE7E5.6080402@pobox.com> Message-ID: <7F.BD.02978.2B01DEF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Larry, After having a number of these boxes apart my bet is that the lever arm for the reverse gear has been screwed in too far. This is the adjustment for how far the pins on the ends of the arm engage both the gear and the operating lever in the top cover. If the stud that this arm screws onto was removed from the case then it must be readjusted during assembly while the stud is pulled back into the case with the securing nut. The spline on the stud stops it from turning when installed but the threads on the stud and the arm are what adjust the distance the lever fits into the gear. Hard to explain but if you had this apart I think you will understand the concept. A rotten two hour job!!! Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission Question - more And then there is the rest of the story. We checked this thing out manually, before stuffing it back in the car. I checked it out on jack stands and it shifted through all the gears, including reverse. I backed it out of my garage and drove it onto the trailer to take it back to the body shop for some panel alignment. Then there was no longer any reverse. I haven't pulled the top cover off yet, but am willing to bet the gear is no longer engaged in the shifter lever. Has anyone else had this problem? How did you fix it? Having tried to figure an easy way to get it reengaged, I can't imagine how it got out. This should be a very interesting problem, but not one that I really wanted right now. My only thought is that there is a chunk out of the side of the gear, but I can't believe we would not have noticed that. Larry On 6/26/2012 7:04 PM, Larry Young wrote: > Yes, I played around with a spare transmission. The stud can be moved > a bit, both the reverse idler gear and the reverse gear on the main > shaft prevent it from coming all the way out. I'm always hoping for > an easy way out. > > As it turned out, two of my Triumph buddies, John Phillips and Sam > Clark, came over and helped me out of this dilemma. It didn't really > take as long as you would think. We pulled the transmission and OD. > Pulled the OD off the back. Removed the adapter plate. Removed the > small metal plate that locks the counter shaft and reverse shaft in > position. Slid the reverse shaft back until the gear was lose. Used > a magnet to work the gear into the lever and align it with the reverse > shaft. Slid the shaft back in. Reattached the locking plate. > Bolted the OD back on and stuck it back into the car. > > In the OD repair manual at vtr.org, Sam and I suggested mounting the > OD and transmission when in a vertical position. This keeps the two > splines from becoming misaligned. We used that method today and it > worked beautifully. Mounted the OD vertically with the rear flange on > a piece of wood. Dropped the transmission into it and tightened it > down without a hitch. The worst problem we had was getting the > tranny/OD back into the car. That took a couple of hours of jacking > around. But eventually, the transmission relented. > > This car is the TR250 I've had since it was new. It served as the get > away car for my wedding in 1970 and Tom's (my oldest sons) wedding in > 2008. We are trying to get it restored (or at least semi-restored) > for my other son (Matt's) wedding in a couple of weeks in Milwaukee. I > thought this problem had blown us out of the water, but with the help > of my Triumph friends, I think we still have a good chance of having > it there. > > Thanks, > Larry Young > > On 6/26/2012 12:55 PM, Randall wrote: >> The original question was basically "Can that be done without >> removing the reverse gear and shaft?" >> >> I think the answer is "no", but I'm not certain, never tried it >> myself. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever removed the lever at all. >> >> -- Randall >> _______________________________________________'s >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 28 20:34:28 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:34:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question - more In-Reply-To: <4FECE7E5.6080402@pobox.com> References: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CF21CA1DCCD28C-CF8-19212@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd53c4$e5c94240$b15bc6c0$@rr.com> <4FEA4E00.2060004@pobox.com> <4FECE7E5.6080402@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4FED1434.3000208@bradakis.com> I wonder if the pivot bolt is too far into the case, leaving too little engagement between the pin on the lever and the slot on the gear? mjb. From igofaster at att.net Thu Jun 28 21:22:36 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] scca In-Reply-To: <116865243-1340675826-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-671065733-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> References: <1340673964.34149.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <116865243-1340675826-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-671065733-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1340940156.45209.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I'm not giving up on racing the GT6.. hopefully this fall..... Bobby ________________________________ From: "jason at multivintage.com" To: Bobby Whitehead ; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, June 25, 2012 8:57:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] scca Do just that, "use it" and abuse it. For me, I see it as a totally replaceble piece of machinery that I would drive at the absolute limit. I compare my driving now to my championship kart racing days... Its totally different. Now I care about my precious "irreplaceable" Triumph to much. It makes me too cautious, because I want to put it on the trailer unscathed after a race. When I raced Karts I never once thought about my kart making it back on the trailer looking good. I drove to win. Period. Drive that ugly, common, piece of sh#t to the absolute f'ing limit of adhesion. Win all your races in "GTA" and beat the snot out of it road warrior style. That's what I would do. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:26:04 To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] scca seems like the folks at SCCA thought I was experienced enough to by-pass the SCCA requirements to let me stand on my own record and incident free racing experiences... they issued me a LICENSE to race in SCCA.... now.... if I knew how to drive the GTA car I could really go out there and use it.... Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jun 29 13:33:07 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] REX TULLIUS Message-ID: <8CF244524DCBB8C-718-3DF65@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com> Rex is part of our community by way of Russel, his dad. Watch for him as he contends for an OLYMPIC berth on the U.S. Swim Team. Phelps was quoted as saying that Rex has a shot..... He also is featured on SWIMUTOPIA.COM Nice interview. I think he will be seen tonight at 8:00PM eastern time. Best wishes to REX. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Jun 29 14:19:11 2012 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:19:11 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Cool Video that I wish I had made! Message-ID: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> http://youtu.be/daVDrGsaDME ~STEVE From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri Jun 29 18:12:14 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:12:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cool Video that I wish I had made! In-Reply-To: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4FEE445E.40308@comcast.net> That was great! Thanks for sharing On 6/29/2012 1:19 PM, steve wrote: > http://youtu.be/daVDrGsaDME > > ~STEVE > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri Jun 29 18:31:08 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:31:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FEE48CC.4060406@comcast.net> A couple of years ago, based on the uneven wear pattern on the rear brake shoes on the Spitfire, I decided it was time for new drums, so I ordered up a set. The day before the race, I installed new Porterfield shoes and went to install the new drums and couldn't get them on - too small. Or actually, the Porterfield brake lining was too thick to fit. Took the drums to one of the larger local machine shops and dropped them off with instructions to take them out 030 or so - I took a whole lot of measurements. Got a call a couple of hours later that said the drums were too small to fit their machine. Found an old, small shop that turned them around in no time. Now I carry two sets of drums, new and oversize so I can fit whatever shoes I get (I hope). On 6/27/2012 9:07 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Hey FoT, > > I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local shops > > about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three inquiries > > all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I bring the > > car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I was the one > > that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet and just > > don't know it. > > Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. > > Jim G. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jun 29 18:39:10 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:39:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cool Video that I wish I had made! In-Reply-To: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <557757AB-40D3-4492-B68F-5DACD48D21D2@gdhs.com> Really neat..... Cool Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2012, at 4:19 PM, steve wrote: > http://youtu.be/daVDrGsaDME > > ~STEVE > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jun 29 18:42:53 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:42:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <4FEE48CC.4060406@comcast.net> References: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <4FEE48CC.4060406@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6F92D61E-B8DE-400E-952F-9D6E9D8E639E@gdhs.com> Got a set from Ted & all that was needed was a little filing on the leading edges. 240Z drums may have helped Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2012, at 8:31 PM, Jim Norlin wrote: > A couple of years ago, based on the uneven wear pattern on the rear brake shoes on the Spitfire, I decided it was time for new drums, so I ordered up a set. The day before the race, I installed new Porterfield shoes and went to install the new drums and couldn't get them on - too small. Or actually, the Porterfield brake lining was too thick to fit. Took the drums to one of the larger local machine shops and dropped them off with instructions to take them out 030 or so - I took a whole lot of measurements. Got a call a couple of hours later that said the drums were too small to fit their machine. Found an old, small shop that turned them around in no time. Now I carry two sets of drums, new and oversize so I can fit whatever shoes I get (I hope). > > On 6/27/2012 9:07 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >> Hey FoT, >> >> I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local shops >> >> about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three inquiries >> >> all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I bring the >> >> car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I was the one >> >> that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet and just >> >> don't know it. >> >> Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. >> >> Jim G. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri Jun 29 19:26:44 2012 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:26:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cool Video that I wish I had made! In-Reply-To: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <51E455C3-29EC-4C50-B81E-58AE2F5099E6@comcast.net> Love it!!! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2012, at 4:19 PM, steve wrote: > http://youtu.be/daVDrGsaDME > > ~STEVE > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1 at comcast.net From mpendy at dishmail.net Fri Jun 29 21:43:24 2012 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (MARKANDGLENDA PENDERGRASS) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:43:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cool Video that I wish I had made! In-Reply-To: <51E455C3-29EC-4C50-B81E-58AE2F5099E6@comcast.net> References: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <51E455C3-29EC-4C50-B81E-58AE2F5099E6@comcast.net> Message-ID: Now that was truely a piece of artwork!!!...........thanks MJP On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Steven Groh wrote: > Love it!!! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 29, 2012, at 4:19 PM, steve wrote: > > > http://youtu.be/daVDrGsaDME > > > > ~STEVE > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Jun 30 08:07:38 2012 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (brad.kahler at 141.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Message-ID: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> Amici, My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the wheel either direction and it seems to over react. So, is this a toe-in problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? Years ago I had a 73 TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. Other than this issue the car rides smooth as glass. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 30 08:22:35 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:22:35 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> Message-ID: I would say the toe in is okay. I think not enough negative camber. For a street car I would suggest -1.5 degree. Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: brad.kahler at 141.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:07:38 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Amici, My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the wheel either direction and it seems to over react. So, is this a toe-in problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? Years ago I had a 73 TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. Other than this issue the car rides smooth as glass. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Jun 30 08:32:55 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:32:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1300 head question Message-ID: As I sit pondering my replacement engine I have a question for you 1300 experts. Did the MK 4 1300 head come with larger valves than the MK 3 version? Are the heads interchangeable? Is this the way to go? Thanks, Marty From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 30 09:15:45 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] CHASING THE TAIL OF THE DRAGON SCCA HILLCLIMB RESULTS? JK JACKSON? Message-ID: <8CF24EA5B35B6EF-1FCC-43BCD@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Any one has access to the results, specifically how JK Jackson did with his TR6? We saw him standing on the side of the hill on Friday, but left before he made his runs on Saturday and Sunday. Also, what about Richard Good at the PAGODA in PA? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From rikrock at live.com Sat Jun 30 09:44:30 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:44:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] CHASING THE TAIL OF THE DRAGON SCCA HILLCLIMB RESULTS? JK JACKSON? In-Reply-To: <8CF24EA5B35B6EF-1FCC-43BCD@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF24EA5B35B6EF-1FCC-43BCD@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Results for Pagoda Hillclimb are at www.bmr-scca.org/Portals/21/2012/2012-Pagoda-Hillclimb-Results-June-23-24.pdf Richard Good did Great! Chasing The Dragon Results are at http://www.ccrscca.com/results/ctd2_2012_fin.htm Looks like Chris Moore found A LOT of time on her last run and beat JK ! Some of you really should try to come to Reading PA for the Duryea Hillclimb, August 18-19. It's the premier event on the PHA calender. Rich Rock > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:15:45 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] CHASING THE TAIL OF THE DRAGON SCCA HILLCLIMB RESULTS? JK JACKSON? > > Any one has access to the results, specifically how JK Jackson did with his > TR6? > > > We saw him standing on the side of the hill on Friday, but left before he made > his runs on Saturday and Sunday. > > Also, what about Richard Good at the PAGODA in PA? > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock at live.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jun 30 09:44:55 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:44:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> Message-ID: Is this a solid rear axle or an IRS car? I assume since you didn't say TR4a that it's solid rear axle. If it's IRS, check the rear toe. A little rear toe out would cause twitchiness. You can try dialing in a little more front toe (up to 3/16") and see if that makes a difference. It should not feel twitchy going straight. It sure sounds like you've got SOMETHING wanting to pull the car in two directions, the challenge is figuring out WHAT is doing that. Tony At 09:07 AM 6/30/2012, brad.kahler at 141.com wrote: >Amici, > >My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, >replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite >replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor >trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can >detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this >would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. >The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the >steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels >like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. >It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight >ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the >wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > >So, is this a toe-in >problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > >Years ago I had a 73 >TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > >Other than >this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > >Any suggestions? > >Thanks, > >Brad >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From mlcooknj at msn.com Sat Jun 30 09:57:11 2012 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:57:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <20120630142205.E59E82D0769@autox.team.net> References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com>, <20120630142205.E59E82D0769@autox.team.net> Message-ID: What about the steering rack mounts? Could the rack be shifting a litttle? Mike Cook > To: brad.kahler at 141.com; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:22:35 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > I would say the toe in is okay. I think not enough negative camber. > For a street car I would suggest -1.5 degree. > > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: brad.kahler at 141.com > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:07:38 > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > Amici, > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > So, is this a toe-in > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > Years ago I had a 73 > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > Other than > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 30 10:29:14 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com>, <20120630142205.E59E82D0769@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CF24F49F20934D-1FCC-44A91@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> shifting and maybe some binding with congealed grease in the rack? i am guessing this TR4 might have sat for a long time? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: michael cook To: tr4racing ; brad.kahler ; fot-bounces ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 30, 2012 10:58 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 What about the steering rack mounts? Could the rack be shifting a litttle? Mike Cook > To: brad.kahler at 141.com; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:22:35 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > I would say the toe in is okay. I think not enough negative camber. > For a street car I would suggest -1.5 degree. > > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: brad.kahler at 141.com > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:07:38 > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > Amici, > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > So, is this a toe-in > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > Years ago I had a 73 > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > Other than > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 30 10:41:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE Message-ID: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Mike Cook was very busy at the MITTY with interviews. I suspect one of the next issues of the award winning VTR magazine will contain a lot of content on our favorite TRIUMPH PEOPLE as well as the Kastner Cup. Likely worth the price of a year's membership with VTR. If you look at the masthead with names, you will find that the FOT is well represented. The magazine covers FOT activities extensively, too. Witness the FOT/VTR event poster. This is a collaboration between our groups and is funded by VTR with production by ISOA's Joe Pawlak at his cost. Please consider membership to support them in return. Expect this collaboration to continue in future years with another event poster in 2013 at Road America. Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From mlcooknj at msn.com Sat Jun 30 10:58:02 2012 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:58:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE In-Reply-To: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It will be in TVT #133 that I'm finishing up right now. Mike > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:41:53 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE > > Mike Cook was very busy at the MITTY with interviews. I suspect one of the > next issues of the award winning VTR magazine will contain a lot of content on > our favorite TRIUMPH PEOPLE as well as the Kastner Cup. > > Likely worth the price of a year's membership with VTR. If you look at the > masthead with names, you will find that the FOT is well represented. The > magazine covers FOT activities extensively, too. > > Witness the FOT/VTR event poster. This is a collaboration between our groups > and is funded by VTR with production by ISOA's Joe Pawlak at his cost. > > Please consider membership to support them in return. Expect this > collaboration to continue in future years with another event poster in 2013 at > Road America. > > > Joe Alexander > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 30 11:08:40 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE In-Reply-To: References: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF24FA2179A792-1FCC-44F53@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Mike! Your efforts are greatly appreciated. This issue should prove to be a collector item. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: michael cook To: Joe Alexander ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 30, 2012 11:58 am Subject: RE: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE It will be in TVT #133 that I'm finishing up right now. Mike > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:41:53 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE > > Mike Cook was very busy at the MITTY with interviews. I suspect one of the > next issues of the award winning VTR magazine will contain a lot of content on > our favorite TRIUMPH PEOPLE as well as the Kastner Cup. > > Likely worth the price of a year's membership with VTR. If you look at the > masthead with names, you will find that the FOT is well represented. The > magazine covers FOT activities extensively, too. > > Witness the FOT/VTR event poster. This is a collaboration between our groups > and is funded by VTR with production by ISOA's Joe Pawlak at his cost. > > Please consider membership to support them in return. Expect this > collaboration to continue in future years with another event poster in 2013 at > Road America. > > > Joe Alexander > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Sat Jun 30 11:18:53 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> Message-ID: <1341076733.55165.YahooMailRC@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi, maybe you need more air pressure in the front tires. Jim ________________________________ From: "brad.kahler at 141.com" To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sat, June 30, 2012 7:08:07 AM Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Amici, My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the wheel either direction and it seems to over react. So, is this a toe-in problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? Years ago I had a 73 TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. Other than this issue the car rides smooth as glass. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat Jun 30 11:38:22 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:38:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> Message-ID: Try 1/16" total toe out, it'll get rid of that push. jim g -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of brad.kahler at 141.com Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:08 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Amici, My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the wheel either direction and it seems to over react. So, is this a toe-in problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? Years ago I had a 73 TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. Other than this issue the car rides smooth as glass. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 30 11:53:14 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:53:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE Message-ID: And if you want to join the VTR, the address is: VTR PO Box 655 Howell, MI 48844-0655 Annual dues are $35.00 US. Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad Joe Alexander wrote: >Mike Cook was very busy at the MITTY with interviews. I suspect one of the >next issues of the award winning VTR magazine will contain a lot of content on >our favorite TRIUMPH PEOPLE as well as the Kastner Cup. > >Likely worth the price of a year's membership with VTR. If you look at the >masthead with names, you will find that the FOT is well represented. The >magazine covers FOT activities extensively, too. > >Witness the FOT/VTR event poster. This is a collaboration between our groups >and is funded by VTR with production by ISOA's Joe Pawlak at his cost. > >Please consider membership to support them in return. Expect this >collaboration to continue in future years with another event poster in 2013 at >Road America. > > >Joe Alexander >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From levilevi at comcast.net Sat Jun 30 13:00:21 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:00:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> <4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> Message-ID: That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've had great luck stopping leaks out the cover bolt holes with these. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > There is a Honda Goldwing valve cover seal that is a perfect fit for > the > stock TR valve covers, I know I have the part number written down > somewhere. I am fairly certain that Ted S. also sells them. This > is one > area where too many people think that if a little is good, more is > better. > I've seen a LOT of distorted valve covers due to overtightening. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 30 13:13:08 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF250B8504F2A6-1FCC-4671F@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> EXCELLENT DOUG! You can also review VTR and register online at: VTR.ORG Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Doug Mitchell To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot Sent: Sat, Jun 30, 2012 12:53 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE And if you want to join the VTR, the address is: VTR PO Box 655 Howell, MI 48844-0655 Annual dues are $35.00 US. Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad Joe Alexander wrote: >Mike Cook was very busy at the MITTY with interviews. I suspect one of the >next issues of the award winning VTR magazine will contain a lot of content on >our favorite TRIUMPH PEOPLE as well as the Kastner Cup. > >Likely worth the price of a year's membership with VTR. If you look at the >masthead with names, you will find that the FOT is well represented. The >magazine covers FOT activities extensively, too. > >Witness the FOT/VTR event poster. This is a collaboration between our groups >and is funded by VTR with production by ISOA's Joe Pawlak at his cost. > >Please consider membership to support them in return. Expect this >collaboration to continue in future years with another event poster in 2013 at >Road America. > > >Joe Alexander >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Jun 30 16:23:56 2012 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:23:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <8CF24F49F20934D-1FCC-44A91@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> <20120630142205.E59E82D0769@autox.team.net> <8CF24F49F20934D-1FCC-44A91@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Just went through the steering rack. It's smooth and well lubed. Yeah it sat for about 10 to 12 years. I've got the front end lubed and it seems like there is no slop or looseness in it. On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > shifting and maybe some binding with congealed grease in the rack? > > i am guessing this TR4 might have sat for a long time? > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: michael cook > To: tr4racing ; brad.kahler ; > fot-bounces ; fot > Sent: Sat, Jun 30, 2012 10:58 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > What about the steering rack mounts? Could the rack be shifting a litttle? > Mike Cook > > To: brad.kahler at 141.com; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:22:35 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > > > I would say the toe in is okay. I think not enough negative camber. > > For a street car I would suggest -1.5 degree. > > > > Chris > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: brad.kahler at 141.com > > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:07:38 > > To: Friends of Triumph > > Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > > > Amici, > > > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can > > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials > this > > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering > wheel. > > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the > > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it > feels > > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the > turn. > > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in > straight > > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of > the > > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > > > So, is this a toe-in > > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > > > Years ago I had a 73 > > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > > > Other than > > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brad > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Jun 30 16:23:52 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:23:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <20120630175214.34F892D08F2@autox.team.net> References: <20120630175214.34F892D08F2@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8A619A4B-3408-4EC1-BB9E-E13B6685B2CB@gdhs.com> I'm with Chris more neg camber Sent from my iPhone On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > Try 1/16" total toe out, it'll get rid of that push. > jim g > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of brad.kahler at 141.com > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:08 AM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > Amici, > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials > this > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering > wheel. > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the > turn. > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of > the > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > So, is this a toe-in > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > Years ago I had a 73 > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > Other than > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Jun 30 16:26:23 2012 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:26:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <1341076733.55165.YahooMailRC@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> <1341076733.55165.YahooMailRC@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good thought. Any ideas out there as to what pressures to run front and rear? Right now I think I have them balanced at 28 psi on all corners. On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 1:18 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > Hi, maybe you need more air pressure in the front tires. Jim > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "brad.kahler at 141.com" > *To:* Friends of Triumph > *Sent:* Sat, June 30, 2012 7:08:07 AM > *Subject:* [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > Amici, > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials > this > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering > wheel. > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it > feels > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the > turn. > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in > straight > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of > the > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > So, is this a toe-in > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > Years ago I had a 73 > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > Other than > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Jun 30 16:28:06 2012 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:28:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <8A619A4B-3408-4EC1-BB9E-E13B6685B2CB@gdhs.com> References: <20120630175214.34F892D08F2@autox.team.net> <8A619A4B-3408-4EC1-BB9E-E13B6685B2CB@gdhs.com> Message-ID: I wish there was an adjustment for this, unfortunately I will have to modify something if I need to change the camber. I'm going to see what toe-in does and then try toe-out as Jim Gray has suggested. At least these adjustments can be done relatively quickly. Thanks, Brad On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM, John Hasty wrote: > I'm with Chris more neg camber > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > > > Try 1/16" total toe out, it'll get rid of that push. > > jim g > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of brad.kahler at 141.com > > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:08 AM > > To: Friends of Triumph > > Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > > > Amici, > > > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I > can > > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials > > this > > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering > > wheel. > > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning > the > > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it > feels > > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the > > turn. > > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in > straight > > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of > > the > > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > > > So, is this a toe-in > > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > > > Years ago I had a 73 > > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > > > Other than > > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brad > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Jun 30 16:44:07 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:44:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: <20120630175214.34F892D08F2@autox.team.net> <8A619A4B-3408-4EC1-BB9E-E13B6685B2CB@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <7443CF14-CBD9-438D-AD86-19ED71F4A475@gdhs.com> Yep.... About 1 to 1/2" out of the upper A arms should do it Sent from my iPhone On Jun 30, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > I wish there was an adjustment for this, unfortunately I will have to modify something if I need to change the camber. > > I'm going to see what toe-in does and then try toe-out as Jim Gray has suggested. At least these adjustments can be done relatively quickly. > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM, John Hasty wrote: > I'm with Chris more neg camber > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > > > Try 1/16" total toe out, it'll get rid of that push. > > jim g > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of brad.kahler at 141.com > > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:08 AM > > To: Friends of Triumph > > Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > > > Amici, > > > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can > > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials > > this > > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering > > wheel. > > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the > > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels > > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the > > turn. > > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight > > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of > > the > > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > > > So, is this a toe-in > > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > > > Years ago I had a 73 > > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > > > Other than > > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brad > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 30 16:59:19 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:59:19 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> <1341076733.55165.YahooMailRC@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I would run 30 to 32 psi. At front more than rear. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Brad Kahler Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:26:23 To: sherry robyn Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Good thought. Any ideas out there as to what pressures to run front and rear? Right now I think I have them balanced at 28 psi on all corners. On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 1:18 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > Hi, maybe you need more air pressure in the front tires. Jim > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "brad.kahler at 141.com" > *To:* Friends of Triumph > *Sent:* Sat, June 30, 2012 7:08:07 AM > *Subject:* [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > Amici, > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials > this > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering > wheel. > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it > feels > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the > turn. > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in > straight > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of > the > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > So, is this a toe-in > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > Years ago I had a 73 > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > Other than > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Jun 30 18:41:00 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:41:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> <1341076733.55165.YahooMailRC@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: All I can say deals with Hoosier Sportsters radials on the race track & each track is different; but the range is usually 28 -29 on the front side with the most turns ( ie more lefts or more rights) & 26 -27 on the other. The rear tires are both the same @ 26 -27. Neg camber is 3degrees. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 30, 2012, at 6:26 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Good thought. > > Any ideas out there as to what pressures to run front and rear? > > Right now I think I have them balanced at 28 psi on all corners. > > > On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 1:18 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > >> Hi, maybe you need more air pressure in the front tires. Jim >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* "brad.kahler at 141.com" >> *To:* Friends of Triumph >> *Sent:* Sat, June 30, 2012 7:08:07 AM >> *Subject:* [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 >> >> Amici, >> >> My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, >> replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite >> replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor >> trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can >> detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials >> this >> would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering >> wheel. >> The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the >> steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it >> feels >> like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the >> turn. >> It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in >> straight >> ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of >> the >> wheel either direction and it seems to over react. >> >> So, is this a toe-in >> problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? >> >> Years ago I had a 73 >> TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. >> >> Other than >> this issue the car rides smooth as glass. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Jun 30 18:49:46 2012 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (brad.kahler at 141.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> <1341076733.55165.YahooMailRC@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1341103786.345317832@mail.141.com> Those of you who suggested that tire pressure might be the answer were correct, Chris specifically when he suggested 30 to 32 in the front.B I tookB Chris's advice and bumped the fronts to 32 and left the rears at 28. Made a huge difference in the turns. Even most of the twitchyness went away in the straights. I think I'm going to try 33 and possibly even 34 to see how it handles. As for the steering rack mounts, they are solid with no noticeable movement side to side. The rack is solid mounted in aluminum blocks that are pinned so the rack can't slide side to side or rotate. Thanks for all the suggestions! Brad -----Original Message----- From: "John Hasty" Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:41pm To: "Brad Kahler" Cc: "sherry robyn" , "Friends of Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 All I can say deals with Hoosier Sportsters radials on the race track & each track is different; but the range is usually 28 -29 on the front side with the most turns ( ie more lefts or more rights) & 26 -27 on the other. The rear tires are both the same @ 26 -27. Neg camber is 3degrees. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 30, 2012, at 6:26 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Good thought. > > Any ideas out there as to what pressures to run front and rear? > > Right now I think I have them balanced at 28 psi on all corners. > > > On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 1:18 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > >> Hi, maybe you need more air pressure in the front tires. Jim >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* "brad.kahler at 141.com" >> *To:* Friends of Triumph >> *Sent:* Sat, June 30, 2012 7:08:07 AM >> *Subject:* [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 >> >> Amici, >> >> My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, >> replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite >> replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor >> trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can >> detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials >> this >> would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering >> wheel. >> The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the >> steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it >> feels >> like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the >> turn. >> It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in >> straight >> ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of >> the >> wheel either direction and it seems to over react. >> >> So, is this a toe-in >> problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? >> >> Years ago I had a 73 >> TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. >> >> Other than >> this issue the car rides smooth as glass. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From levilevi at comcast.net Sat Jun 30 21:29:09 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:29:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4A stamped B 5 What's it mean? Message-ID: <2E4F952A-ADD6-4BF6-A6A4-424788A22173@comcast.net> Any idea what the B 5 means that is stamped on the front cross beam of my TR4A frame? I dug out the straight frame I have for the Wreck listed below and saw a letter and number stamped on the top of the frame cross member. http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/ Thanks Bud Rolofson Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net From malaboge at aol.com Sat Jun 30 22:31:53 2012 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 00:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> Message-ID: <8CF25599345DD3C-1994-4B1CF@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com> Brad- If all the good recommendations that you've received so far leave you with some percentage of the continuing problem... Take a look at the rear leaf springs. Check the front and rear bushes for excessive wear/deterioration. Also check the leaves for a broken leaf (look closely near the axle mounts as this is where they brake if they're gonna). A loose/broken spring is tuff to notice but when starting into a turn, the instantaneous roll oversteer from a moving rear axle due to the above will really get your attention. If its a 4A, check the rear control arm mounts or for a cracked frame for the same reasons. Oversteerin all over Nor Cal... Nick -----Original Message----- From: brad.kahler To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sat, Jun 30, 2012 7:08 am Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Amici, My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, eplaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite eplicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor runnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can etect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this ould be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. he problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the teering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels ike you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. t takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight head driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the heel either direction and it seems to over react. So, is this a toe-in roblem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? Years ago I had a 73 R6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. Other than his issue the car rides smooth as glass. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com From levilevi at comcast.net Sat Jun 30 23:02:56 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 23:02:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4A stamped B 5 What's it mean? In-Reply-To: <1391250673.1699902.1341115567361.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1391250673.1699902.1341115567361.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <47B17045-FC18-45BE-84E3-FB37E4EBE0F2@comcast.net> As they say, upon further review the B is actually a raised letter and the 5 is a stamped number see in the pics. Both are on a metal strip (which is the rectangle you see) that is attached to the frame cross member somehow. It doesn't look welded on but it's securely attached to stay on there a few decades somehow. I'm not going to pull it off to see how its attached though. Those are the only letters/numbers that I can see. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jun 30, 2012, at 10:06 PM, davehogye wrote: > Hello Bud, > I'm not sure about the B part of the stamping, but I believe the > number is related to the month and or year the frame was made. My > TR3A has a Z29 stamped on the frame and I know that my car was built > in March '59. So the frame was built in Feb. '59. 2 for march and > 9 for '59. Is it possible that another number is there but not > stamped to deep? You might clean it off a little more, another > number may be hiding there. > Photo of mine included. > Check the FoT archives about this topic. I know that it has been > brought up in the past. > You'll probably get a more definite answer to your inquiry from > another person as well. > Dave H. > Santa Cruz, Ca. > From: "Bud Rolofson" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:29:09 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4A stamped B 5 What's it mean? > > Any idea what the B 5 means that is stamped on the front cross beam of > my TR4A frame? > > I dug out the straight frame I have for the Wreck listed below and saw > a letter and number stamped on the top of the frame cross member. > > http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/ > > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Jun 30 23:02:20 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:02:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , , <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, , , , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com><1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly><4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <000001cd5746$b25bf2b0$0601a8c0@randall> > That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've had great luck stopping > leaks out the cover bolt holes with these. Are those similar to http://www.mcmaster.com/#93781A037 or something different ? -- Randall From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Fri Jun 1 03:25:32 2012 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 05:25:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Prospective member/racer In-Reply-To: <1355A8325EDD408C936E7E9C5F3FA342@owner8914bbf7f> References: <1355A8325EDD408C936E7E9C5F3FA342@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: <001201cd3fd8$7e808490$7b818db0$@rr.com> I'll second........but now he should follow through and get that TR4 and have the time of his life! If you've never gone to Mosport in June you owe it to yourself. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of william r tobin Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:32 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Prospective member/racer Hi all. We have an organization around Erie called SOB, Sons of Britain. Anyone who has anything British is welcome. Kinda like the FOT, no officers, dues, or any other constraints. They have monthly meetings, have a September car show, have various tours around the area, and will have a summer party at my farm July 29 (if you happen to be in the area). One of the guys, Mike Moore, is thinking about getting a TR4 to race and asked me if he could be put in touch with the FOT; he'll have a bunch of questions and could be helped immensely by the FOT's knowledge. I'll recommend if I can get a second. mmoore at wave1.net I'll probably head for Mid Ohio in late June for the vintage event. Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Fri Jun 1 03:35:43 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:35:43 +0100 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> Message-ID: <2E4F25FA-EF7F-47F4-94CE-424197BB0930@virgin.net> Chris Soft engine mounts ??? Or are you running a torque reaction arm that is touching the chassis ??! Tony Sent from my iPhone On 31 May 2012, at 15:42, "MadMarx" wrote: > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > throttle" and to the left "off throttle". > > Does anybody see a reason for that? > > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jun 1 05:34:23 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:34:23 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> Marks comment did lead me to an theory: If the force of the prop shaft makes that the rear axle press the left wheel on the ground and pulls the right wheel slightly up this would cause the axle to steer because the leaf springs are higher mounted at the rear than in front. If the right wheel goes up and the left goes down the rear axle would change direction to the left.....which make the car going to the right "on throttle" - opposite "off throttle" As I change axle ratio from 4.1 to 4.55 the engine force is greatly increased which might result in more steer from the axle. Could this be? If so, then torque rods are now mandatory. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mark J Bradakis Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Juni 2012 04:27 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD There is also the reaction of the axle housing against the propshaft. The shaft turns one way, the axle reacts in the opposite direction. One wheel is pushed a bit harder into the rollers, one lifted a bit up. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri Jun 1 08:35:34 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 07:35:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] LSD References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net><002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com><8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com><20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net><67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com><20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net><20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> Message-ID: <062A92E5D1664226976EE6C74FA0496B@Charly> You say this happened when you went from a welded diff to a LSD. Could this be caused by the way the torque is delivered to the wheels? On a welded diff, the wheels get exactly the same amount of torque with no split between the sides. With a LSD, there is the possibility that one wheel may get more torque than the other. At this point I think that all the items mentioned before also come into play. I would believe the only way to remedy this would be to put on the torque rods (traction bars) to positively locate the rear axel, and keep from having spring wind up. Make sure you make the mounting fairly stout, as I witnessed a TR4 have one break several weeks ago. and BTW, torque steer is fairly common in TR6's. Charly Mitchel > Marks comment did lead me to an theory: > > If the force of the prop shaft makes that the rear axle press the left > wheel > on the ground and pulls the right wheel slightly up this would cause the > axle to steer because the leaf springs are higher mounted at the rear than > in front. > If the right wheel goes up and the left goes down the rear axle would > change > direction to the left.....which make the car going to the right "on > throttle" - opposite "off throttle" > > As I change axle ratio from 4.1 to 4.55 the engine force is greatly > increased which might result in more steer from the axle. > Could this be? > If so, then torque rods are now mandatory. > > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Mark J Bradakis > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. Juni 2012 04:27 > An: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD > > There is also the reaction of the axle housing against the propshaft. > The shaft turns one way, the axle reacts in the opposite direction. > One wheel is pushed a bit harder into the rollers, one lifted a bit > up. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jun 1 08:59:49 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:59:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park In-Reply-To: <508AFCF13C40472B8C95BBC1EABC84D8@rocky> References: <4c2a2.5b44e6bb.3cf96b39@aol.com> <508AFCF13C40472B8C95BBC1EABC84D8@rocky> Message-ID: <7157E6CC7D984A77B1786B91497C8094@gdhs.local> Good Lord, I was already at Wake Forest in 1953! John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rocky Entriken Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 10:27 PM To: Catpusher at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park At the risk of dating myself, I was there for the 1953 races. As a pre-teen kid, I didn't know much about racing and nothing about SCCA at the time, but I thought this one guy in a red car whose name rhymed was cool. Of course, I didn't know anything about Phil Hill then either. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:47 PM Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park > For some years I prepped and stored our race car across the street from > Golden Gate Park in SF, and I so wished that I could race there when faced > with flat towing many hours to places like: SIR, Westwood, Riverside, and > Road Atlanta. Over the years I have asked many people where the course > was, > with no clear answer. It was with pleasure that I read Monday's SF paper > and > found a map of the course, and about a new book about the early 1950s > races, co-authored by our own Gary Horstkorta. > > TR Regards, > Hardy > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Jun 1 12:41:25 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 13:41:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park In-Reply-To: <488373492.326076.1338525500312.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <488373492.326076.1338525500312.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FC90CD5.8080509@pobox.com> You might enjoy Bill Pollack's book "Red Wheels and White Sidewalls: Confessions of an Allard Racer". He talks about that race among many others. On 5/31/2012 11:38 PM, vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote: > Yesterday as part of the annual Sonma Historic Motorsports Reunion at Infineon Raceway (actually, as of today Infineon's naming rights expired so it is now Sonoma Raceway), the track held a press conference celebrating the 60th anniversary of the races in Golden Gate Park. Present were three local ex-drivers who participated in those races and three of the original cars that were driven in the races - an ex-Phil Hill Aston Martin DB2, a 1950 Jaguar Parkinson Special and the Mercury flathead powered Baldwin Special. Amazing to see the drivers (all in their early 80s) and the three cars together. It was a kick to watch the ex-drivers all bench racing about the old days. > > This Saturday at the track they will have a seminar with the 1952 race winner, Bill Pollack (event Grand Marshall) plus five of the ex-drivers that raced in the Park. The event is receiving local TV, newspaper and as you've seen, Internet coverage. > > Gary Horstkorta > Archivist - SF Region/SCCa > 1962 TR4 > 1969 TR6 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clark W. Nicholls" > To: Catpusher at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:41:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing In Golden Gate Park > > Is this it, Hardy? > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/05/27/BAIJ1OM33L.DTL > Another... > http://larkspurcortemadera.patch.com/articles/driver-returns-to-days-of-glor > y > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintage.racer at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From rikrock at live.com Fri Jun 1 17:20:49 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 19:20:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers Message-ID: Another data point: TVR 2500M. From the TVR plate affixed to body: Build date January 1974. Engine # CF 24923 UE I'll check the numbers on my 1971 Vixen 2500 over the weekend. Rich Rock -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:12 AM To: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; tlizzard at msn.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers What I believe is the original engine from my '72 2500 "hybrid" is CC84762UF. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: Terry Stetler Cc: 'fot' Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 8:50 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers I've never figured out whether the numerals would have been sequential if the engines were sent to other car manufacturers, but I suspect they were. Whereas I don't know if TVR engines were marked specifically for TVR use, Morgan TR engines had a different suffix -- ME instead of E, but retaining the prefix of TS or CT. Duncan (Texas) On May 30, 2012, at 10:13 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Not to mention the several hundred engines sold to TVR over the course of the > years. There were in the neighborhood of 350 Vixen 2500s and who knows how > many M Types with the TR6 engine. > My Vixen is the one car I never should have let slip away... > > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Curry > To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; > 'fot' > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > > > The further along in the production sequence, the further off the numbers > got. This is because engines were pulled from the warehouse for warranty > replacement and dealer spares stock, while commission numbers continued in > numerical sequence. > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock at live.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 2 11:08:44 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:08:44 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> Message-ID: <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> Hi Guys, I installed rods to the axle. http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. Cheers Chris From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 2 12:04:56 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 20:04:56 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of the rod is too large. I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly more than it was but the car felt much better. So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. Cheers Chris And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 An: MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD Chris, Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle relative to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll stiffness. Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the spring but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. Duncan (Texas) On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I installed rods to the axle. > > http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U > > > The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. > Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. > I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sat Jun 2 12:47:32 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 14:47:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com> <000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> Message-ID: <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> On 6/2/2012 2:04 PM, MadMarx wrote: > I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of the > rod is too large. > I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. > With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly more > than it was but the car felt much better. > So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. > > Cheers > Chris > And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. > > > Chris, as I recall from my old DP car with a Detroit Locker differential; the car would squat to one side or the other under acceleration/deceleration; after I installed a set of torque rods the problem went away. It is important to have the axis of the rod parallel to the frame when the car is at half suspension travel. That should minimize surprises as the suspension hits the limits, as Duncan said below. By the way, it appeared from your video that the rods were welded to the top of the axle. Mine were mounted to a plate under the spring pad; the front of the rods mounted to a bracket I welded to the frame. I have some pictures of a Traction Master rod like I had installed which I can send if you want them. Gluck auf! jim > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] > Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 > An: MadMarx > Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD > > Chris, > > Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, > does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as > the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle relative > to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll > stiffness. > > Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the spring > but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam > Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye > bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), > effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. > > Duncan > (Texas) > > On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: > > >> Hi Guys, >> >> I installed rods to the axle. >> >> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >> >> >> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >> >> Cheers >> Chris > -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 2 13:14:19 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:14:19 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com> <000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <001701cd40f3$ea9200c0$bfb60240$@com> I tried to follow this design but I connected the rod with the spring mount which gives an angle. The angle has the advantage of an anti dive but it seems to stiffen up the suspension and acting like a sway bar. Too unpredictable. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: J.C. Hassall [mailto:jhassall at blacksburg.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 20:48 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD On 6/2/2012 2:04 PM, MadMarx wrote: > I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of the > rod is too large. > I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. > With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly more > than it was but the car felt much better. > So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. > > Cheers > Chris > And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. > > > Chris, as I recall from my old DP car with a Detroit Locker differential; the car would squat to one side or the other under acceleration/deceleration; after I installed a set of torque rods the problem went away. It is important to have the axis of the rod parallel to the frame when the car is at half suspension travel. That should minimize surprises as the suspension hits the limits, as Duncan said below. By the way, it appeared from your video that the rods were welded to the top of the axle. Mine were mounted to a plate under the spring pad; the front of the rods mounted to a bracket I welded to the frame. I have some pictures of a Traction Master rod like I had installed which I can send if you want them. Gluck auf! jim > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] > Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 > An: MadMarx > Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD > > Chris, > > Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, > does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as > the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle relative > to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll > stiffness. > > Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the spring > but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam > Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye > bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), > effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. > > Duncan > (Texas) > > On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: > > >> Hi Guys, >> >> I installed rods to the axle. >> >> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >> >> >> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >> >> Cheers >> Chris > -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 2 13:15:31 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 21:15:31 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com> <000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <001801cd40f4$15e61310$41b23930$@com> I tried to follow this design but I connected the rod with the spring mount which gives an angle. The angle has the advantage of an anti dive but it seems to stiffen up the suspension and acting like a sway bar. Too unpredictable. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KSmOrPC6I2s/T8plfWxpLFI/AAAAAAAABXs/VDma4 UruAsA/s761/CCI02062012_0000.jpg Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: J.C. Hassall [mailto:jhassall at blacksburg.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 20:48 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD On 6/2/2012 2:04 PM, MadMarx wrote: > I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of the > rod is too large. > I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. > With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly more > than it was but the car felt much better. > So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. > > Cheers > Chris > And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. > > > Chris, as I recall from my old DP car with a Detroit Locker differential; the car would squat to one side or the other under acceleration/deceleration; after I installed a set of torque rods the problem went away. It is important to have the axis of the rod parallel to the frame when the car is at half suspension travel. That should minimize surprises as the suspension hits the limits, as Duncan said below. By the way, it appeared from your video that the rods were welded to the top of the axle. Mine were mounted to a plate under the spring pad; the front of the rods mounted to a bracket I welded to the frame. I have some pictures of a Traction Master rod like I had installed which I can send if you want them. Gluck auf! jim > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] > Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 > An: MadMarx > Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD > > Chris, > > Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, > does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as > the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle relative > to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll > stiffness. > > Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the spring > but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam > Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye > bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), > effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. > > Duncan > (Texas) > > On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: > > >> Hi Guys, >> >> I installed rods to the axle. >> >> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >> >> >> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >> >> Cheers >> Chris > -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Jun 2 13:34:40 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:34:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <001801cd40f4$15e61310$41b23930$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com> <000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> <001801cd40f4$15e61310$41b23930$@com> Message-ID: Hey Chris......Those things are called Traction Bars here in NASCAR country & they are fully adjustable in a 5 second pit stop. Try a few of their web sites ...... Sent from my iPhone On Jun 2, 2012, at 3:15 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > I tried to follow this design but I connected the rod with the spring mount > which gives an angle. > The angle has the advantage of an anti dive but it seems to stiffen up the > suspension and acting like a sway bar. > Too unpredictable. > https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-KSmOrPC6I2s/T8plfWxpLFI/AAAAAAAABXs/VDma4 > UruAsA/s761/CCI02062012_0000.jpg > > > > Cheers > Chris > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: J.C. Hassall [mailto:jhassall at blacksburg.net] > Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 20:48 > An: MadMarx > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD > > On 6/2/2012 2:04 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of the >> rod is too large. >> I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. >> With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly > more >> than it was but the car felt much better. >> So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. >> >> >> > Chris, as I recall from my old DP car with a Detroit Locker > differential; the car would squat to one side or the other under > acceleration/deceleration; after I installed a set of torque rods the > problem went away. It is important to have the axis of the rod parallel > to the frame when the car is at half suspension travel. That should > minimize surprises as the suspension hits the limits, as Duncan said > below. By the way, it appeared from your video that the rods were > welded to the top of the axle. Mine were mounted to a plate under the > spring pad; the front of the rods mounted to a bracket I welded to the > frame. > > I have some pictures of a Traction Master rod like I had installed which > I can send if you want them. > > Gluck auf! > > jim >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] >> Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 >> An: MadMarx >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD >> >> Chris, >> >> Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, >> does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as >> the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle > relative >> to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll >> stiffness. >> >> Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the spring >> but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam >> Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye >> bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), >> effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. >> >> Duncan >> (Texas) >> >> On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> I installed rods to the axle. >>> >>> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >>> >>> >>> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >>> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >>> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Chris >> > > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From stutzmans at comcast.net Sat Jun 2 13:50:06 2012 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 15:50:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net><002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com><8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com><20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net><67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com><20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net><20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com><000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com><95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net><003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com><25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com><000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: Years ago I modified the rear springs of my TR4 as outlined by Carroll Smith in TUNE TO WIN page 157. It really works well. I removed the track rods that were problematic. I turned the front half of the springs into trailing arms by tightly clamping the leaves together which located the axle. The back half of the spring does the springing. First, however, I installed the late TR4 springs that are longer behind the axle. Works well! Bruce . ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "MadMarx" Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > On 6/2/2012 2:04 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of >> the >> rod is too large. >> I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. >> With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly >> more >> than it was but the car felt much better. >> So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. >> >> >> > Chris, as I recall from my old DP car with a Detroit Locker differential; > the car would squat to one side or the other under > acceleration/deceleration; after I installed a set of torque rods the > problem went away. It is important to have the axis of the rod parallel > to the frame when the car is at half suspension travel. That should > minimize surprises as the suspension hits the limits, as Duncan said > below. By the way, it appeared from your video that the rods were welded > to the top of the axle. Mine were mounted to a plate under the spring > pad; the front of the rods mounted to a bracket I welded to the frame. > > I have some pictures of a Traction Master rod like I had installed which I > can send if you want them. > > Gluck auf! > > jim >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] >> Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 >> An: MadMarx >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD >> >> Chris, >> >> Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, >> does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as >> the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle >> relative >> to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll >> stiffness. >> >> Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the >> spring >> but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam >> Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye >> bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), >> effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. >> >> Duncan >> (Texas) >> >> On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> I installed rods to the axle. >>> >>> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >>> >>> >>> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >>> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >>> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Chris >> > > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 2 14:11:17 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 22:11:17 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net><002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com><8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com><20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net><67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com><20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net><20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com><000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com><95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net><003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com><25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com><000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <000001cd40fb$e1067c40$a31374c0$@com> Just found an online version of that book. Shelby says that the sway bars start fighting each other on cornering.....I think that I felt in that car. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Stutzmans [mailto:stutzmans at comcast.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 21:50 An: J.C. Hassall; MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD Years ago I modified the rear springs of my TR4 as outlined by Carroll Smith in TUNE TO WIN page 157. It really works well. I removed the track rods that were problematic. I turned the front half of the springs into trailing arms by tightly clamping the leaves together which located the axle. The back half of the spring does the springing. First, however, I installed the late TR4 springs that are longer behind the axle. Works well! Bruce . ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "MadMarx" Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > On 6/2/2012 2:04 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of >> the >> rod is too large. >> I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. >> With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly >> more >> than it was but the car felt much better. >> So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. >> >> >> > Chris, as I recall from my old DP car with a Detroit Locker differential; > the car would squat to one side or the other under > acceleration/deceleration; after I installed a set of torque rods the > problem went away. It is important to have the axis of the rod parallel > to the frame when the car is at half suspension travel. That should > minimize surprises as the suspension hits the limits, as Duncan said > below. By the way, it appeared from your video that the rods were welded > to the top of the axle. Mine were mounted to a plate under the spring > pad; the front of the rods mounted to a bracket I welded to the frame. > > I have some pictures of a Traction Master rod like I had installed which I > can send if you want them. > > Gluck auf! > > jim >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] >> Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 >> An: MadMarx >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD >> >> Chris, >> >> Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, >> does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as >> the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle >> relative >> to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll >> stiffness. >> >> Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the >> spring >> but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam >> Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye >> bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), >> effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. >> >> Duncan >> (Texas) >> >> On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> I installed rods to the axle. >>> >>> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >>> >>> >>> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >>> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >>> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Chris >> > > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 2 14:21:36 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 22:21:36 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net><002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com><8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com><20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net><67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com><20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net><20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com><000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com><95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net><003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com><25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com><000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <000401cd40fd$51e7ed30$f5b7c790$@com> Ah, sorry, meant traction bars not sway bars. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 22:11 An: 'Stutzmans'; 'J.C. Hassall' Cc: 'fot at autox.team.net' Betreff: AW: [Fot] LSD Just found an online version of that book. Shelby says that the sway bars start fighting each other on cornering.....I think that I felt in that car. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Stutzmans [mailto:stutzmans at comcast.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 21:50 An: J.C. Hassall; MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD Years ago I modified the rear springs of my TR4 as outlined by Carroll Smith in TUNE TO WIN page 157. It really works well. I removed the track rods that were problematic. I turned the front half of the springs into trailing arms by tightly clamping the leaves together which located the axle. The back half of the spring does the springing. First, however, I installed the late TR4 springs that are longer behind the axle. Works well! Bruce . ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "MadMarx" Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] LSD > On 6/2/2012 2:04 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> I used an idea from a engineering book but I suppose that the angle of >> the >> rod is too large. >> I drove into a McDonald parking when the left rod snapped. >> With one working rod the on-off-throttle steer was back again...greatly >> more >> than it was but the car felt much better. >> So I'm going back to the stock situation and remove the rods. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> And thank you all for input. Learned a lot. >> >> >> > Chris, as I recall from my old DP car with a Detroit Locker differential; > the car would squat to one side or the other under > acceleration/deceleration; after I installed a set of torque rods the > problem went away. It is important to have the axis of the rod parallel > to the frame when the car is at half suspension travel. That should > minimize surprises as the suspension hits the limits, as Duncan said > below. By the way, it appeared from your video that the rods were welded > to the top of the axle. Mine were mounted to a plate under the spring > pad; the front of the rods mounted to a bracket I welded to the frame. > > I have some pictures of a Traction Master rod like I had installed which I > can send if you want them. > > Gluck auf! > > jim >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] >> Gesendet: Samstag, 2. Juni 2012 19:38 >> An: MadMarx >> Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD >> >> Chris, >> >> Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, >> does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as >> the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle >> relative >> to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll >> stiffness. >> >> Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the >> spring >> but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam >> Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye >> bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), >> effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. >> >> Duncan >> (Texas) >> >> On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> I installed rods to the axle. >>> >>> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >>> >>> >>> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >>> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >>> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Chris >> > > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Jun 2 16:54:51 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2012 17:54:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: <000401cd40fd$51e7ed30$f5b7c790$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net><002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com><8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com><20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net><67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com><20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net><20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com><000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com><95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net><003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com><25DFDA0C-A4EB-4D14-9EEE-19396B0AD529@gmail.com><000601cd40ea$3ac11630$b0434290$@com> <4FCA5FC4.7090604@blacksburg.net> <000401cd40fd$51e7ed30$f5b7c790$@com> Message-ID: <000601cd4112$b9bcfe40$2d36fac0$@com> For what it's worth, our TR4 had been set up for racing and raced somewhat extensively in the early 80's and we think previously. It had homemade traction bars on it when we got it. I asked Jack Drews what he thought of them and whether we should re-install them when we built the car. He said that he had tried them and unless you get the geometry right on during the motion of the axle, which I think was parallel to the spring pivot and axle, they caused more problems than they solved. He took his off and advised us not to re-install them. We did not and we like the way the car handles. Tim and Ryan 1961 TR4 #317 >> >> Chris, >> >> Does the rod's arc of movement exactly match that of the axle? That is, >> does the front mount of the reaction rod use the same axis of rotation as >> the front eye of the spring? If not, it's trying to twist the axle >> relative >> to what the spring is doing, creating resistance to movement, adding roll >> stiffness. >> >> Another approach might be to clamp together the front leaves of the >> spring >> but leave the rears alone. One other solution I've seen (on a Sunbeam >> Tiger) was to wrap the front end of the second leaf around the spring eye >> bushing (inside the main leaf eye, and using a smaller-diameter bushing), >> effectively doubling the stiffness of the front half of the spring. >> >> Duncan >> (Texas) >> >> On Jun 2, 2012, at 12:08 PM, MadMarx wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> I installed rods to the axle. >>> >>> http://youtu.be/QPCCN96x8_U >>> >>> >>> The leaf spring is now calmated but the car does oversteer badly. >>> Seems to stiffen up the suspension now. >>> I'm not sure if I should maintain that idea. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Chris >> > > > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > '63 TR4 in autox preparation > 99% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From rikrock at live.com Sun Jun 3 16:42:17 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 18:42:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Block numbers Message-ID: TVR Vixen 2500 Build date January 6 1971. Engine number on mfg plate is CC64883E -----Original Message----- From: Rich Rock Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 7:20 PM To: fubog1; duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; tlizzard at msn.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers Another data point: TVR 2500M. From the TVR plate affixed to body: Build date January 1974. Engine # CF 24923 UE I'll check the numbers on my 1971 Vixen 2500 over the weekend. Rich Rock -----Original Message----- From: fubog1 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:12 AM To: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com; tlizzard at msn.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers What I believe is the original engine from my '72 2500 "hybrid" is CC84762UF. Glen -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: Terry Stetler Cc: 'fot' Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 8:50 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers I've never figured out whether the numerals would have been sequential if the engines were sent to other car manufacturers, but I suspect they were. Whereas I don't know if TVR engines were marked specifically for TVR use, Morgan TR engines had a different suffix -- ME instead of E, but retaining the prefix of TS or CT. Duncan (Texas) On May 30, 2012, at 10:13 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Not to mention the several hundred engines sold to TVR over the course of the > years. There were in the neighborhood of 350 Vixen 2500s and who knows how > many M Types with the TR6 engine. > My Vixen is the one car I never should have let slip away... > > > Terry Stetler > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Curry > To: 'Mark J Bradakis' ; > 'fot' > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Engine Block numbers > > > The further along in the production sequence, the further off the numbers > got. This is because engines were pulled from the warehouse for warranty > replacement and dealer spares stock, while commission numbers continued in > numerical sequence. > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock at live.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock at live.com From garygret at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 3 23:42:07 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 22:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 racecar for sale Message-ID: <1338788527.33959.YahooMailRC@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici, Itbs time for me to thin the herd to make room for other projects. For sale is my 1963 RHD TR4 race car, prepared to EProduction specs, possibly could be brought back to vintage trim or just take the drive train. Race car since 1974, ex-Chip Bond, Jack Wheeler. One of the last Uncle Jack engines freshened late 2010 by Historic Racecar, new Ross pistons, O-ringed liners, Moldex crank, Carillo rods, roller rockers, GT40 lifters, ARP, stainless header, Greg Solow oil pump, Tilton flywheel/clutch, Al rad, new Accusump, Quantum Mechanics synchros/bushes, 4.55 Detroit Locker, Jeff Snook axles/flanges. Carbon/Kevlar & fiberglass panels plus all original sheet metal. Many spares incl. complete trans/OD. Lots more details and photos for anyone interested. Asking $5000, less than you could build the engine for. Regards, Gary Schneider Madison WI From triosan at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 09:12:49 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 08:12:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transmission identified -- anyone want to buy it? Message-ID: A couple of weeks ago I asked for help in identifying a 4 speed/OD TR transmission I have. You all told me to look for hand stamped marking by clutch level shaft -- found it. Says MK 1500!. The input shaft is 1x10, not 1.25x10 as found in a TR6. Has a very functional J-type OD. Did run in my street TR6 for a thousand miles or so [6 years ago]. The bell housing was damaged and a small piece welded back on -- does not impact fit or performance. Would like to get $400 for it. Pictures upon request. -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From fpspitfire at comcast.net Mon Jun 4 15:58:44 2012 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (Aaron Johnson) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 17:58:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Revolution wheels for sale. 13 x 5.5 Message-ID: <04DD8DC5-4325-48B5-99DC-B2C728B698ED@comcast.net> 2 revolution wheels. 13" x 5.5 on 3 3/4 bolt circle. Spitfire rear offset (with the dish). Black spokes. Have good year rains on them which I can get taken off. $175 for the pair plus shipping. Aaron Johnson 317-517-4587 From sjanzen at me.com Mon Jun 4 19:39:47 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 21:39:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 looking for a trailer ride from Madison WI eastbound Message-ID: I just committed to buy Gary Schneider's TR4 and am looking for a way to get it moved eastward. I'm in the Philadelphia area - could probably retrieve from as far west as Ohio. Happy to help pay for gas! Gary and I would like to get it out of there in the next month or so. Thanks! Scott Janzen sjanzen at me.com 215-817-9315 From horizonracing at msn.com Wed Jun 6 12:43:37 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 11:43:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] wtd: 4: 1 CWP Message-ID: Hi All, I'm in the Need of a TR 3/4, 4.1 CWP. Must be in good useable cond. please contact me off list. Thank youTony Garmey206 612 1782 From igofaster at att.net Wed Jun 6 12:55:04 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 11:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] GTA #10 Valvoline Message-ID: <1339008904.19276.YahooMailRC@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> well... with the help of one of my sons I FINALLY got a YouTube posting on my GTA car... it is only my second session. It was HOT in North Texas.. The grasshoppers had covered the air dam in 5 minutes so it's a short video. I'm not racing just trying to drive without hic-ups... I've got another one to post when the rear end came out once... enjoy! Bobby Whitehead http://youtu.be/6j7TBAchmrg From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jun 6 15:25:17 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 23:25:17 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD In-Reply-To: References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> Message-ID: <001201cd442a$e0dc46a0$a294d3e0$@com> I feel a little video is coming on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8Wx0_DPVm8&feature=youtu.be And the tramp bars: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3r6FX4NXsZw/T8_IiglnzXI/AAAAAAAABYE/sfCYJ bBJyn0/s761/DSC02759.JPG Cheers Chris From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Jun 6 20:03:34 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 20:03:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Message-ID: Fot, I'm a little stuck on something. I want to install an expansion tank on the car but from what I understand about them the bottom of the expansion tank needs to be higher than the head. I use a Griffin radiator which is lower than the thermostat housing. I can't see a way to get the bottom of the tank higher than the thermostat housing. I have my eye on a couple models Canton Makes but at best the bottom of the tank would still be slightly lower than the top of the thermo housing. Any idea's would be greatly appreciated. jim g From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jun 6 20:45:53 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 02:45:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Message-ID: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> Granted, this is on a GT6, I also have a Griffin, my tank sits parallel to the valve cover running length wise between the cover and the carbs. It sits above the manifold and is fed upwards from the radiator with the same size radiator hose as all the others. Its made out of the brass (solid portion) of a stock GT6 radiator with a fabricated flat bottom. As an extra precaution I have a tube leading to a small overflow bottle in the unused battery box, which has yet to accumulate anything significant in it. This system has served me well so far. Gigantic radiator... No fan. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Jim Gray Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Sent: Jun 6, 2012 9:03 PM Fot, I'm a little stuck on something. I want to install an expansion tank on the car but from what I understand about them the bottom of the expansion tank needs to be higher than the head. I use a Griffin radiator which is lower than the thermostat housing. I can't see a way to get the bottom of the tank higher than the thermostat housing. I have my eye on a couple models Canton Makes but at best the bottom of the tank would still be slightly lower than the top of the thermo housing. Any idea's would be greatly appreciated. jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jun 6 21:43:18 2012 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 20:43:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> Sounds like a Spitfire Mk1 expansion tank. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jason at multivintage.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 7:46 PM To: Jim Gray; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Granted, this is on a GT6, I also have a Griffin, my tank sits parallel to the valve cover running length wise between the cover and the carbs. It sits above the manifold and is fed upwards from the radiator with the same size radiator hose as all the others. Its made out of the brass (solid portion) of a stock GT6 radiator with a fabricated flat bottom. As an extra precaution I have a tube leading to a small overflow bottle in the unused battery box, which has yet to accumulate anything significant in it. This system has served me well so far. Gigantic radiator... No fan. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Jim Gray Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Sent: Jun 6, 2012 9:03 PM Fot, I'm a little stuck on something. I want to install an expansion tank on the car but from what I understand about them the bottom of the expansion tank needs to be higher than the head. I use a Griffin radiator which is lower than the thermostat housing. I can't see a way to get the bottom of the tank higher than the thermostat housing. I have my eye on a couple models Canton Makes but at best the bottom of the tank would still be slightly lower than the top of the thermo housing. Any idea's would be greatly appreciated. jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 06:04:45 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:04:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> Message-ID: Jim , I also use the Griffin radiator and love it, for the exspansion tank I have something simple and light, a plastic windshield wiper water bottle that you can get from Autozone for 8 to 9 dollars , about a quart and a half and you can see what is in it, sits in the battery box area in a bracket that comes with it, has worked well for 5 years now.Doubt that you can get any cheaper and still look acceptable... nothing fancy. On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > Sounds like a Spitfire Mk1 expansion tank. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of jason at multivintage.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 7:46 PM > To: Jim Gray; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Granted, this is on a GT6, I also have a Griffin, my tank sits parallel to > the valve cover running length wise between the cover and the carbs. It > sits above the manifold and is fed upwards from the radiator with the same > size radiator hose as all the others. Its made out of the brass (solid > portion) of a stock GT6 radiator with a fabricated flat bottom. As an extra > precaution I have a tube leading to a small overflow bottle in the unused > battery box, which has yet to accumulate anything significant in it. This > system has served me well so far. Gigantic radiator... No fan. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > ------Original Message------ > From: Jim Gray > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > Sent: Jun 6, 2012 9:03 PM > > Fot, > > I'm a little stuck on something. I want to install an expansion tank on the > car but from what I > > understand about them the bottom of the expansion tank needs to be higher > than the head. > > I use a Griffin radiator which is lower than the thermostat housing. > > I can't see a way to get the bottom of the tank higher than the thermostat > housing. > > I have my eye on a couple models Canton Makes but at best the bottom of the > tank would > > still be slightly lower than the top of the thermo housing. > > Any idea's would be greatly appreciated. > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From clw2000 at msn.com Thu Jun 7 06:20:23 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:20:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry>, <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista>, Message-ID: Question: why does the placement need to be above the thermostat level when the stock bottle was mounted near the bottom of the engine (on a GT6 anyway)? > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:04:45 -0400 > From: rfdeanes at gmail.com > To: spitlist at cox.net > CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Jim , I also use the Griffin radiator and love it, for the exspansion tank > I have something simple and light, a plastic windshield wiper water bottle > that you can get from Autozone for 8 to 9 dollars , about a quart and a > half and you can see what is in it, sits in the battery box area in a > bracket that comes with it, has worked well for 5 years now.Doubt that you > can get any cheaper and still look acceptable... nothing fancy. > > > On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > > > Sounds like a Spitfire Mk1 expansion tank. > > > > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of jason at multivintage.com > > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 7:46 PM > > To: Jim Gray; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > > > Granted, this is on a GT6, I also have a Griffin, my tank sits parallel to > > the valve cover running length wise between the cover and the carbs. It > > sits above the manifold and is fed upwards from the radiator with the same > > size radiator hose as all the others. Its made out of the brass (solid > > portion) of a stock GT6 radiator with a fabricated flat bottom. As an extra > > precaution I have a tube leading to a small overflow bottle in the unused > > battery box, which has yet to accumulate anything significant in it. This > > system has served me well so far. Gigantic radiator... No fan. > > Jason Ostrowski > > Friendly Ghost Racing > > ------Original Message------ > > From: Jim Gray > > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Sent: Jun 6, 2012 9:03 PM > > > > Fot, > > > > I'm a little stuck on something. I want to install an expansion tank on the > > car but from what I > > > > understand about them the bottom of the expansion tank needs to be higher > > than the head. > > > > I use a Griffin radiator which is lower than the thermostat housing. > > > > I can't see a way to get the bottom of the tank higher than the thermostat > > housing. > > > > I have my eye on a couple models Canton Makes but at best the bottom of the > > tank would > > > > still be slightly lower than the top of the thermo housing. > > > > Any idea's would be greatly appreciated. > > > > jim g > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jun 7 06:24:00 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:24:00 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Message-ID: I use an Opel Manta 2L radiator with an Opel B Kadet expansion tank. I had an overflow bottle but the bottle caused trouble if the water is forced out by a leaking head gasket. I removed the bottle. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jun 7 06:46:09 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:46:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> , <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> , Message-ID: I think here is a confusion going on. Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the filler cap. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Charles WATSON Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:20:23 Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Question: why does the placement need to be above the thermostat level when the stock bottle was mounted near the bottom of the engine (on a GT6 anyway)? > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 08:04:45 -0400 > From: rfdeanes at gmail.com > To: spitlist at cox.net > CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Jim , I also use the Griffin radiator and love it, for the exspansion tank > I have something simple and light, a plastic windshield wiper water bottle > that you can get from Autozone for 8 to 9 dollars , about a quart and a > half and you can see what is in it, sits in the battery box area in a > bracket that comes with it, has worked well for 5 years now.Doubt that you > can get any cheaper and still look acceptable... nothing fancy. > > > On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > > > Sounds like a Spitfire Mk1 expansion tank. > > > > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of jason at multivintage.com > > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 7:46 PM > > To: Jim Gray; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > > > Granted, this is on a GT6, I also have a Griffin, my tank sits parallel to > > the valve cover running length wise between the cover and the carbs. It > > sits above the manifold and is fed upwards from the radiator with the same > > size radiator hose as all the others. Its made out of the brass (solid > > portion) of a stock GT6 radiator with a fabricated flat bottom. As an extra > > precaution I have a tube leading to a small overflow bottle in the unused > > battery box, which has yet to accumulate anything significant in it. This > > system has served me well so far. Gigantic radiator... No fan. > > Jason Ostrowski > > Friendly Ghost Racing > > ------Original Message------ > > From: Jim Gray > > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Sent: Jun 6, 2012 9:03 PM > > > > Fot, > > > > I'm a little stuck on something. I want to install an expansion tank on the > > car but from what I > > > > understand about them the bottom of the expansion tank needs to be higher > > than the head. > > > > I use a Griffin radiator which is lower than the thermostat housing. > > > > I can't see a way to get the bottom of the tank higher than the thermostat > > housing. > > > > I have my eye on a couple models Canton Makes but at best the bottom of the > > tank would > > > > still be slightly lower than the top of the thermo housing. > > > > Any idea's would be greatly appreciated. > > > > jim g > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitlist at cox.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu Jun 7 08:36:46 2012 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 07:36:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry>, <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> , <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I have two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good shape. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question I think here is a confusion going on. Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the filler cap. Cheers Chris From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Jun 7 08:59:11 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> Message-ID: Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet and petcock drain. On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I have > two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good > shape. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM > To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net > Cc: FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > I think here is a confusion going on. > > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the > filler cap. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jun 7 09:15:11 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:15:11 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> Message-ID: It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Robert Deanes Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 To: Joe Curry Cc: ; Charles WATSON; ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet and petcock drain. On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I have > two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good > shape. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM > To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net > Cc: FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > I think here is a confusion going on. > > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the > filler cap. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Jun 7 10:31:33 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:31:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <20120607124658.8C9542D0B3A@autox.team.net> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> , <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> , <20120607124658.8C9542D0B3A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <01ff01cd44cb$00d54880$027fd980$@rr.com> > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than > the filler cap. I agree on the definition of expansion vs overflow (aka recovery). But, while it is better/easier to have the expansion tank at the top; it can still work mounted lower. One example is the later (73 onwards) Triumph Stag, which had an expansion tank mounted near the bottom of the radiator. The downside of having it down there is that you cannot use its cap to fill the system (the Stag has a separate filler cap without a pressure relief), and you cannot tell if the system is leaking (or is full) by the level in the expansion tank. The Stag's expansion tank was attached to the radiator by a small tube running to the top of the LH radiator tank, so any small amount of accumulated air would tend to find its way into the bottle as the system warmed up. -- Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Jun 7 12:41:57 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 18:41:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <01ff01cd44cb$00d54880$027fd980$@rr.com> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> , <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> , <20120607124658.8C9542D0B3A@autox.team.net> <01ff01cd44cb$00d54880$027fd980$@rr.com> Message-ID: Hi Randall, I use the tank for 3 purposes: - filling the system properly - to keep more coolant - to vent the system automatically. If the water pump might cavitate you get air in the system which will after a while force out water if not removed. The venting hoses which are connected with the tank immediately removes any bubbles and send them to the tank where they don't do any harm. Very important on endurance races with long straights. Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: "Randall" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:31:33 Cc: 'FOT List' Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than > the filler cap. I agree on the definition of expansion vs overflow (aka recovery). But, while it is better/easier to have the expansion tank at the top; it can still work mounted lower. One example is the later (73 onwards) Triumph Stag, which had an expansion tank mounted near the bottom of the radiator. The downside of having it down there is that you cannot use its cap to fill the system (the Stag has a separate filler cap without a pressure relief), and you cannot tell if the system is leaking (or is full) by the level in the expansion tank. The Stag's expansion tank was attached to the radiator by a small tube running to the top of the LH radiator tank, so any small amount of accumulated air would tend to find its way into the bottle as the system warmed up. -- Randall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 7 13:59:19 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] "SPITFIRE & GT6" MAGAZINE FOT CONTENT HUGE Message-ID: <8CF12FF290334FF-2320-E074@webmail-m032.sysops.aol.com> FOT This last edition of SPITFIRE & GT6 magazine has a lot of FOT content: Review of Kas' latest book. An exceptionally good article by Kas on the Spitfire and GT6. Several pictures of FOT members at work in the cockpit. The next issue will contain extensive coverage on the MITTY. Certainly worth acquiring copies or subscription. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Jun 7 14:06:26 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:06:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> <20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Robert Deanes Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 To: Joe Curry Cc: ; Charles WATSON; ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet and petcock drain. On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I have > two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good > shape. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM > To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net > Cc: FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > I think here is a confusion going on. > > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the > filler cap. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Thu Jun 7 15:46:08 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (T Thompson) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Electronic Distributor and Total Advance Message-ID: <1339105568.69695.YahooMailNeo@web120903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I recently purchased a True Spark Programmable Distributor. My Mallory Dual Point had so much play at the top of the shaft (thanks to Mark Eden for noticing this) that the point gap and dwell was very erratic at high RPMs. So I went with the True Spark that Mark had bought as well from BP Northwest. My question has to deal with the bushings included with the distributor to adjust total advance. We obviously can't do static timing and at idle it is likely there is some degree of advance occuring already (I can't idle down to 500 rpms with the cams we run). For now, I have installed the distributor with no bushings and set the timing. That is to supposed to give me 30 degrees of total advance. It starts missing at about 5000 rpms. My next step was to try retarding it more to see if that helps. My question is how to determine which bushing to use, if any, to give me the best performance. I don't have a dyno or a racetrack in my back yard, so I was wondering if anyone else is running this distributor, and which bushing they may have used. Total advance is configurable from 18 to 30. I was thinking of just getting as low of idle as possible and seeing what the difference is advance is between that and my preferred total advance, but then I thought someone else on this group likely runs the same distributor and may get me closer. Bought the distributor from BPN. Part number is 41427HP. The good thing now is that when I do set the timing, the mark on the pulley does not fluctuate (at all). Before it was hopping all over the place. Thanks in advance for your help. Ty From kaskas at cox.net Thu Jun 7 16:39:29 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 22:39:29 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry>, <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista>, , , <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net>, <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista>, , <20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net>, <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> Message-ID: Lets see...CWP, CROWN WHEEL & PINION, nah! that 's too easy, must be something I never heard of before. Never be beaten by equipment > From: timmurph at fastbytes.com > To: tr4racing at googlemail.com; rfdeanes at gmail.com; spitlist at cox.net > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:06:26 -0500 > CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still > trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM > To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry > Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people > have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Deanes > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 > To: Joe Curry > Cc: ; Charles WATSON; > ; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described > is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and > cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in > different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet > and petcock drain. > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > > > By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I > have > > two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good > > shape. > > > > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM > > To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net > > Cc: FOT List > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > > > I think here is a confusion going on. > > > > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the > > filler cap. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Jun 7 16:56:47 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:56:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> <20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net> <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> Message-ID: <29132C61-680D-4A19-83FB-BFCDF5403F54@comcast.net> Tony says it means crown/wheel/pinion. Gary Sent from my iPad On Jun 7, 2012, at 1:06 PM, "Tim Murphy" wrote: > I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still > trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM > To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry > Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people > have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Deanes > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 > To: Joe Curry > Cc: ; Charles WATSON; > ; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described > is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and > cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in > different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet > and petcock drain. > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I > have >> two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good >> shape. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM >> To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> Cc: FOT List >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question >> >> I think here is a confusion going on. >> >> Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in >> store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. >> >> Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the >> filler cap. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintage.racer at comcast.net From fasttrs at yahoo.com Thu Jun 7 17:57:27 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 18:57:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> <20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net> <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> Message-ID: Ha Ha, me too Tim, although Tony is from New Zealand. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2012, at 3:06 PM, "Tim Murphy" wrote: > I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still > trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM > To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry > Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people > have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Deanes > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 > To: Joe Curry > Cc: ; Charles WATSON; > ; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described > is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and > cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in > different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet > and petcock drain. > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I > have >> two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good >> shape. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM >> To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> Cc: FOT List >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question >> >> I think here is a confusion going on. >> >> Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in >> store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. >> >> Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the >> filler cap. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Jun 7 17:58:10 2012 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:58:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <20120607152448.40F4C2D0CC6@autox.team.net> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry><25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista><20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net><1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> <20120607152448.40F4C2D0CC6@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Sometimes German into English is tough too. (grin) You do an exceptionally good job Chris. JVV -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:15 AM To: Robert Deanes ; Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 7 18:05:24 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 20:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] CLASSIC MOTOR SPORTS & GRASSROOTS MOTOR SPORTS OFFER In-Reply-To: <5C79BC1C-4ABB-437D-A820-6BC15760871D@grassrootsmotorsports.com> References: <8CF12FF290334FF-2320-E074@webmail-m032.sysops.aol.com> <5C79BC1C-4ABB-437D-A820-6BC15760871D@grassrootsmotorsports.com> Message-ID: <8CF132189C1FBE8-1C64-11566@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> I get both magazines and always look forward to reading them. And of course, the FOT has been supported by Tim Suddard's publishing organization since the first TRIUMPH race we held at Mid-Ohio in 2002. See Andy Reid's offer below with new subscriptions....in time for coverage of the FOT and THE MITTY. (Thanks Andy) Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Andy Reid To: Joe Alexander Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2012 4:53 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] "SPITFIRE & GT6" MAGAZINE FOT CONTENT HUGE Hey Joe, the next copy of Grassroots Motorsports and Classic Motorsports also have lots of Mitty and FOT content, especially Classic Motorsports. Any FOT member can get a subscription for 19.95 and I will throw in a shirt with the Mitty poster art on it as well. Andy Andy Reid Senior Editor/Marketing Director Classic Motorsports magazine Grassroots Motorsports magazine andy at classicmotorsports.net www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com 804-400-6258 On Jun 7, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT > > This last edition of SPITFIRE & GT6 magazine has a lot of FOT content: > > Review of Kas' latest book. > > An exceptionally good article by Kas on the Spitfire and GT6. > > Several pictures of FOT members at work in the cockpit. > > The next issue will contain extensive coverage on the MITTY. > > Certainly worth acquiring copies or subscription. > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andy at classicmotorsports.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 7 18:09:47 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 20:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry><25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista><20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net><1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista><20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net> <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> Message-ID: <8CF1322261432B5-1C64-1159E@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> Crown & Pinion Gear....but I guessed at this. Tony is a New Zealander and speaks a really foreign language. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tim Murphy To: tr4racing ; 'Robert Deanes' ; 'Joe Curry' Cc: fot-bounces ; 'FOT List' Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2012 4:41 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Robert Deanes Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 To: Joe Curry Cc: ; Charles WATSON; ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet and petcock drain. On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I have > two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good > shape. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM > To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net > Cc: FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > I think here is a confusion going on. > > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the > filler cap. > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From awashatko at wi.rr.com Thu Jun 7 18:24:31 2012 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:24:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Helmut Message-ID: <1C8EC3F3-1604-4F54-AFCB-60D4BE85B7F1@wi.rr.com> Anyone need a Bell Snell SA90 helmut? Size 7-3/8. Allen Jody & Allen Washatko W51 N664 Highland Drive Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 617-6801 From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Jun 7 18:26:00 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:26:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry> <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista> <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net> <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista> <20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net> <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> Message-ID: <001901cd450d$482c8120$d8858360$@com> Ah, that explains it. Another one of those English speaking folks I can't understand:) Like the Irish, the Scottish and some of the English people I ran into in London. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Mike Munson [mailto:fasttrs at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 6:57 PM To: Tim Murphy Cc: ; Robert Deanes; Joe Curry; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Ha Ha, me too Tim, although Tony is from New Zealand. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2012, at 3:06 PM, "Tim Murphy" wrote: > I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still > trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM > To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry > Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people > have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Deanes > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 > To: Joe Curry > Cc: ; Charles WATSON; > ; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described > is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and > cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in > different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet > and petcock drain. > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I > have >> two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good >> shape. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM >> To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> Cc: FOT List >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question >> >> I think here is a confusion going on. >> >> Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in >> store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. >> >> Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the >> filler cap. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From rikrock at live.com Thu Jun 7 18:40:35 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 20:40:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] CWP Message-ID: Tony is not the only one looking for a good 4.1 CWP. (Ring and pinion gear) Rich Rock From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 7 19:06:26 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:06:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] CWP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FD15012.50401@bradakis.com> Clowns With Popcorn? mjb. From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Thu Jun 7 19:04:08 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2012 21:04:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] CLASSIC MOTOR SPORTS & GRASSROOTS MOTOR SPORTS OFFER In-Reply-To: <8CF132189C1FBE8-1C64-11566@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF12FF290334FF-2320-E074@webmail-m032.sysops.aol.com> <5C79BC1C-4ABB-437D-A820-6BC15760871D@grassrootsmotorsports.com> <8CF132189C1FBE8-1C64-11566@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4FD14F88.6030903@cfl.rr.com> At one time they offered a lifetime subscription for $99. On 6/7/12 8:05 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I get both magazines and always look forward to reading them. > > And of course, the FOT has been supported by Tim Suddard's publishing > organization since the first TRIUMPH race we held at Mid-Ohio in 2002. > > See Andy Reid's offer below with new subscriptions....in time for coverage of > the FOT and THE MITTY. (Thanks Andy) > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Reid > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2012 4:53 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] "SPITFIRE& GT6" MAGAZINE FOT CONTENT HUGE > > > Hey Joe, the next copy of Grassroots Motorsports and Classic Motorsports also > have lots of Mitty and FOT content, especially Classic Motorsports. Any FOT > member can get a subscription for 19.95 and I will throw in a shirt with the > Mitty poster art on it as well. > Andy > > > Andy Reid > Senior Editor/Marketing Director > Classic Motorsports magazine > Grassroots Motorsports magazine > andy at classicmotorsports.net > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > 804-400-6258 > > > > On Jun 7, 2012, at 3:59 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> FOT >> >> This last edition of SPITFIRE& GT6 magazine has a lot of FOT content: >> >> Review of Kas' latest book. >> >> An exceptionally good article by Kas on the Spitfire and GT6. >> >> Several pictures of FOT members at work in the cockpit. >> >> The next issue will contain extensive coverage on the MITTY. >> >> Certainly worth acquiring copies or subscription. >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/andy at classicmotorsports.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 7 19:12:10 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 21:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] CWP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF132ADD48BAE2-1C64-12837@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> I have one. It has pitting on one pinion tooth and I am unsure if it is acceptable. Tony has right of first refusal, at this time. I have had it on the shelf for several years and will likely never use it. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Rich Rock To: fot Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:03 pm Subject: [Fot] CWP Tony is not the only one looking for a good 4.1 CWP. (Ring and pinion gear) Rich Rock _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From igofaster at att.net Thu Jun 7 20:45:41 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] "SPITFIRE & GT6" MAGAZINE FOT CONTENT HUGE In-Reply-To: <8CF12FF290334FF-2320-E074@webmail-m032.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF12FF290334FF-2320-E074@webmail-m032.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1339123541.31751.YahooMailRC@web180809.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> went online and secured a subscription.... hopefully there will be a shot of me and Kas at the Mitty signing my GT6 "ready to push, Kas Kastner" ..... NOT REALLY! he signed "Racing Soon....Kas Kastner" ... Kas and Peggy were an honor and pleasure to meet! Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, June 7, 2012 4:39:21 PM Subject: [Fot] "SPITFIRE & GT6" MAGAZINE FOT CONTENT HUGE FOT This last edition of SPITFIRE & GT6 magazine has a lot of FOT content: Review of Kas' latest book. An exceptionally good article by Kas on the Spitfire and GT6. Several pictures of FOT members at work in the cockpit. The next issue will contain extensive coverage on the MITTY. Certainly worth acquiring copies or subscription. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From igofaster at att.net Thu Jun 7 20:48:57 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 19:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry>, <25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista>, , , <20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net>, <1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista>, , <20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net>, <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> Message-ID: <1339123737.41901.YahooMailRC@web180802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> CWP that's easy Crown Whiskey Please....... (not a Crown drinker.... but.....) Bobby ________________________________ From: Kas Kastner To: Tim Murphy ; MadMarx ; rfdeanes at gmail.com; spitlist at cox.net Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot Sent: Thu, June 7, 2012 7:34:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Lets see...CWP, CROWN WHEEL & PINION, nah! that 's too easy, must be something I never heard of before. Never be beaten by equipment > From: timmurph at fastbytes.com > To: tr4racing at googlemail.com; rfdeanes at gmail.com; spitlist at cox.net > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:06:26 -0500 > CC: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still > trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM > To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry > Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people > have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Deanes > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 > To: Joe Curry > Cc: ; Charles WATSON; > ; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described > is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and > cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in > different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet > and petcock drain. > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > > > By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I > have > > two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in good > > shape. > > > > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM > > To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net > > Cc: FOT List > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > > > I think here is a confusion going on. > > > > Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in > > store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. > > > > Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than the > > filler cap. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Jun 7 20:53:18 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 21:53:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Electronic Distributor and Total Advance In-Reply-To: <1339105568.69695.YahooMailNeo@web120903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1339105568.69695.YahooMailNeo@web120903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000901cd4521$db9ab940$92d02bc0$@com> Do you have a timing light that you can punch in the advance and with that feature you can see exactly what advance you are actually running? I have an older Snap-on one that if I punch the advance or retard buttons I can watch and see at 3000 RPM, for example, when the timing mark is lined up on the pointer. The amount of advance is I have punched in then shows in a display. I got this from my brother when he retired from his service business. I'm pretty sure these are now available at auto parts stores for a heck of a lot less than the Snap-on variety. With somebody in the car working the accelerator and reading the tach, you can plot your advance curve. Very handy. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of T Thompson Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 4:46 PM To: 'FOT List' Subject: [Fot] Electronic Distributor and Total Advance I recently purchased a True Spark Programmable Distributor. My Mallory Dual Point had so much play at the top of the shaft (thanks to Mark Eden for noticing this) that the point gap and dwell was very erratic at high RPMs. So I went with the True Spark that Mark had bought as well from BP Northwest. My question has to deal with the bushings included with the distributor to adjust total advance. We obviously can't do static timing and at idle it is likely there is some degree of advance occuring already (I can't idle down to 500 rpms with the cams we run). For now, I have installed the distributor with no bushings and set the timing. That is to supposed to give me 30 degrees of total advance. It starts missing at about 5000 rpms. My next step was to try retarding it more to see if that helps. My question is how to determine which bushing to use, if any, to give me the best performance. I don't have a dyno or a racetrack in my back yard, so I was wondering if anyone else is running this distributor, and which bushing they may have used. Total advance is configurable from 18 to 30. I was thinking of just getting as low of idle as possible and seeing what the difference is advance is between that and my preferred total advance, but then I thought someone else on this group likely runs the same distributor and may get me closer. Bought the distributor from BPN. Part number is 41427HP. The good thing now is that when I do set the timing, the mark on the pulley does not fluctuate (at all). Before it was hopping all over the place. Thanks in advance for your help. Ty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From fogbro1 at comcast.net Thu Jun 7 21:25:58 2012 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 03:25:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Part needed Message-ID: <84782527.1556904.1339125958373.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> List, Does anyone have a late TR6 1/2 hub w/reverse they'd part with? Part no. is 153843. Thanks, Ed Woods From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jun 8 08:00:02 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 10:00:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry><25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista><20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net><1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista><20120607152448.40F4C2D0CC6@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <064E7BCFB3574CD2A203E5789979C560@gdhs.local> I'll second that.....shucks (oops Southern English) I didn't know he was from Germany for quite a while..... John H. 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JVV -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:15 AM To: Robert Deanes ; Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jun 7 15:57:17 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 14:57:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question References: <95486905-1339037157-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1838107591-@b16.c3.bise6.blackberry><25AB2F2D8CF742669D38E3EA1C45FB01@Vista><20120607124655.8FB872D0C9F@autox.team.net><1174801B62F245E38BA2C7D33953855F@Vista><20120607152459.F255C2D0CAE@autox.team.net> <000901cd44e9$0526a5a0$0f73f0e0$@com> Message-ID: Isn't that something like crown wheel pinion? Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: ; "'Robert Deanes'" ; "'Joe Curry'" Cc: ; "'FOT List'" Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > I'm a native Chris and it's pretty confusing sometimes to me:) I'm still > trying to figure out what a CWP is that Tony Garmey is looking for. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 10:15 AM > To: Robert Deanes; Joe Curry > Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking > people > have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Deanes > Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 10:59:11 > To: Joe Curry > Cc: ; Charles WATSON; > ; FOT List > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question > > Chris you are right , in my early morning confusion, the tank I described > is my vent tank , the exspansion tank I us is a Jegs, it is plastic and > cost 16.99 and the part # is 555-511012 which is blue but they come in > different colors and work good and is light. One quart capacity, 1/4 inlet > and petcock drain. > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Joe Curry wrote: > >> By the way, if anybody wants one of the early Spitfire header tanks, I > have >> two of them. They might need the seams soldered but otherwise are in >> good >> shape. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of tr4racing at googlemail.com >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:46 AM >> To: Charles WATSON; fot-bounces at autox.team.net >> Cc: FOT List >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question >> >> I think here is a confusion going on. >> >> Expansion tank - tank that is under pressure and keeps extra coolant in >> store. Needs to be the highest spot of the system. >> >> Overflow bottle - catches the forced out water. Needs to be lower than >> the >> filler cap. >> >> Cheers >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jun 8 08:27:01 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 14:27:01 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Message-ID: I have a limited vocabulary. Maybe 10000 words, not enough to meet the Queen for a chat. Hope it wasn't to bad Kas when I talked to you at the N|rburgring last year. ------Originalnachricht------ Von: Jerry Van Vlack An: tr4racing at googlemail.com An: Robert Deanes An: Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Cc: FOT List Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Gesendet: 8. Jun. 2012 01:58 Sometimes German into English is tough too. (grin) You do an exceptionally good job Chris. JVV -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:15 AM To: Robert Deanes ; Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Fri Jun 8 08:57:01 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 08:57:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Electronic Distributor and Total Advance In-Reply-To: <000901cd4521$db9ab940$92d02bc0$@com> References: <1339105568.69695.YahooMailNeo@web120903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000901cd4521$db9ab940$92d02bc0$@com> Message-ID: Thanks Tim. I do have a timing light to set total advance. It has a dial gage to set the timing I want. I believe there are other timing issues I need to get smarter on. Sounds like I need to plot an advance curve to see where full advance comes on and then possibly play with spring rates. Will learn a lot in that process. Jim Gray also sent me some great info on spring rates and methods for determining total advance versus static timing. So with a little reading and trial and error I can hopefully get this dialed in. Ty Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2012, at 8:53 PM, "Tim Murphy" wrote: > Do you have a timing light that you can punch in the advance and with that > feature you can see exactly what advance you are actually running? I have > an older Snap-on one that if I punch the advance or retard buttons I can > watch and see at 3000 RPM, for example, when the timing mark is lined up on > the pointer. The amount of advance is I have punched in then shows in a > display. I got this from my brother when he retired from his service > business. I'm pretty sure these are now available at auto parts stores for > a heck of a lot less than the Snap-on variety. > With somebody in the car working the accelerator and reading the > tach, you can plot your advance curve. Very handy. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of T Thompson > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 4:46 PM > To: 'FOT List' > Subject: [Fot] Electronic Distributor and Total Advance > > I recently purchased a True Spark Programmable Distributor. My Mallory Dual > Point had so much play at the top of the shaft (thanks to Mark Eden for > noticing this) that the point gap and dwell was very erratic at high RPMs. > So > I went with the True Spark that Mark had bought as well from BP Northwest. > > My question has to deal with the bushings included with the distributor to > adjust total advance. We obviously can't do static timing and at idle it is > likely there is some degree of advance occuring already (I can't idle down > to 500 rpms with the cams we run). For now, I have installed the > distributor > with no bushings and set the timing. That is to supposed to give me 30 > degrees of total advance. It starts missing at about 5000 rpms. My next > step > was to try retarding it more to see if that helps. > > My question is how to > determine which bushing to use, if any, to give me the best performance. I > don't have a dyno or a racetrack in my back yard, so I was wondering if > anyone > else is running this distributor, and which bushing they may have used. > Total > advance is configurable from 18 to 30. > > I was thinking of just getting as > low of idle as possible and seeing what the difference is advance is between > that and my preferred total advance, but then I thought someone else on this > group likely runs the same distributor and may get me closer. Bought the > distributor from BPN. Part number is 41427HP. > > The good thing now is that > when I do set the timing, the mark on the pulley does not fluctuate (at > all). > Before it was hopping all over the place. > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Ty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jun 8 09:46:29 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:46:29 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Front axle movement In-Reply-To: <20120608144217.78EF52C0C0C@autox.team.net> References: <20120608144217.78EF52C0C0C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000001cd458d$e00d3680$a027a380$@com> Just for the fun and I had a little battery on the camera left: http://youtu.be/ulhW1IR1HaY It is nothing special, I was just curios what surprises are lurking there. Cheers Chris From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Fri Jun 8 09:53:14 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:53:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Interesting ignition timing discussion Message-ID: I received these links from Jim Gray. BTW, he has totally kicked butt in the last two races in CO. Beating Lotus 7s, 911s and more and he runs a clean race. Definitely one of the fastest DP cars in our region, and the fastest TR4. And he has been a great help to the FOT guys in RMVR. Never toots his own horn so I will! Ty > > http://www.british-cars.net/triumph-tr6-bbs/re-curving-distributor-2004050409 33111476.htm > > > http://www.triumphowners.com/uploaded/34/111457_86lucas_dissy_tuning.pdf From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Jun 8 09:55:52 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 08:55:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] CWP Message-ID: Hello again. Well, I guess I should put this request in again...Sorry for the confusion :)I am in the need of a Good useable 4.1 CROWN WHEEL AND PINION for a TR (truimph) 3 or 4 !! Thank you Joe for the "first right" of the unit you have. I also have a TR 3/4 Detroit Locker. The gears etc are in "as new" shape. Make me an offer ! Please contact me off list. RegardsTony Garmey From cofrog at q.com Fri Jun 8 11:43:20 2012 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 13:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Interesting ignition timing discussion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1374979418.2723252.1339177400531.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Some say his horn needs trouble shooting! Jim has become the "leader" of the TR4 bunch in RMVR. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com To: "Triumph Friends of" Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 9:53:14 AM Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Interesting ignition timing discussion I received these links from Jim Gray. BTW, he has totally kicked butt in the last two races in CO. Beating Lotus 7s, 911s and more and he runs a clean race. Definitely one of the fastest DP cars in our region, and the fastest TR4. And he has been a great help to the FOT guys in RMVR. Never toots his own horn so I will! Ty > > http://www.british-cars.net/triumph-tr6-bbs/re-curving-distributor-2004050409 33111476.htm > > > http://www.triumphowners.com/uploaded/34/111457_86lucas_dissy_tuning.pdf _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From mark at bradakis.com Fri Jun 8 15:34:54 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:34:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! Message-ID: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> I know this is not within the usual scope of discussion for this list, please bear with me. Go to http://www.ebay.com/drive-away-cancer - some of you may recognize that fellow behind the wheel. And the car is obviously not a Triumph. Scroll down and read about the incident that occurred this afternoon near Birmingham, Alabama. I was just planning on sending out the info about the "unpleasant man" insisting on getting his $55 parking "fine" but I've been thinking about it. That guy basically stole $55 from sick kids in the hospital. That is a BAD thing, if you ask me. John is doing a GOOD thing. And those who do good things should be rewarded tenfold. So to that end I am going to challenge all of us on Team.Net to come up with $550 to give to him. If you are of like mind, and use Paypal, the address is grace at autox.team.net. If you want to send a check, payable to Team.Net, send it to: Team Net PO Box 58333 Salt Lake City, UT 84158. Make sure you tag the funds as being for John, I don't want to steal $55 from him thinking the money was meant for the Fat Chance Garage Tool and Beverage fund - I'm not a godless, greed driven scumbag! mjb. From tarch at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 8 15:48:28 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:48:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Valve Guides one more time In-Reply-To: <1374979418.2723252.1339177400531.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <1374979418.2723252.1339177400531.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <021a01cd45c0$71212f50$53638df0$@net> Hang on for one more lap of the valve guide issue. 1. The existing valve guides in my TR-4 head are at different depths. You can see the bottom of the intake guides through the intake port but the exhaust guides are significantly higher and not visible through the exhaust port. Peeking through the valve springs, the exhaust guides appear to be at least 1/2 an inch higher than the intakes. 2. To my machinist's chagrin, I'm participating in the head rebuild exercise. (He's a good friend so it's not an unpleasant chagrin). Inasmuch as I had one guide come loose at Road Atlanta, he says that we may have to resize the guide hole in the head and fit a special guide. Any experience in this arena? After all our discussion a month ago, I'm using cast iron guides. Thanks for your thoughts. Richard Taylor From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Jun 8 16:17:39 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 15:17:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! In-Reply-To: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> References: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <04d101cd45c4$8497cd60$0601a8c0@randall> > I was just planning on sending out the info about the > "unpleasant man" insisting on getting his $55 parking "fine" but > I've been thinking about it. That guy basically stole $55 from sick > kids in the hospital. That is a BAD thing, if you ask me. I agree entirely. Is extortion not against the law in AL ? -- Randall From triumphs at consolidated.net Fri Jun 8 17:21:55 2012 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:21:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! In-Reply-To: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> References: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <855D568A-8E6B-4021-9B2F-B67BB2FE8907@consolidated.net> Mark: Challenge accepted. I am sending fifty via PayPal now. Come on list. This should not be hard. For those so inclined, let's follow up with an irate phone call as well :-) Ken Gano Sent from my iPad On Jun 8, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > I know this is not within the usual scope of discussion for this list, > please bear with me. > > Go to http://www.ebay.com/drive-away-cancer - some of you may recognize > that fellow behind the wheel. And the car is obviously not a Triumph. > > Scroll down and read about the incident that occurred this afternoon > near Birmingham, Alabama. > > I was just planning on sending out the info about the > "unpleasant man" insisting on getting his $55 parking "fine" but > I've been thinking about it. That guy basically stole $55 from sick > kids in the hospital. That is a BAD thing, if you ask me. > > John is doing a GOOD thing. And those who do good things should > be rewarded tenfold. So to that end I am going to challenge all of > us on Team.Net to come up with $550 to give to him. > > If you are of like mind, and use Paypal, the address is grace at autox.team.net. > > If you want to send a check, payable to Team.Net, send it to: > > Team Net > PO Box 58333 > Salt Lake City, UT 84158. > > Make sure you tag the funds as being for John, I don't want to steal $55 > from him thinking the money was meant for the Fat Chance Garage Tool > and Beverage fund - I'm not a godless, greed driven scumbag! > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Fri Jun 8 18:11:42 2012 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:11:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question In-Reply-To: <1370055804-1339165602-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-345143721-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> References: <1370055804-1339165602-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-345143721-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: The Queen would not have time for your 10,000 words. Besides that would be boring. You do just fine. JVV -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 10:27 AM To: Jerry Van Vlack ; Robert Deanes ; Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net ; FOT List Subject: AW: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question I have a limited vocabulary. Maybe 10000 words, not enough to meet the Queen for a chat. Hope it wasn't to bad Kas when I talked to you at the N|rburgring last year. ------Originalnachricht------ Von: Jerry Van Vlack An: tr4racing at googlemail.com An: Robert Deanes An: Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net Cc: FOT List Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question Gesendet: 8. Jun. 2012 01:58 Sometimes German into English is tough too. (grin) You do an exceptionally good job Chris. JVV -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing at googlemail.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:15 AM To: Robert Deanes ; Joe Curry Cc: fot-bounces at autox.team.net ; FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 expansion tank question It is very difficult to foreign people like me if the native speaking people have 20 different names for the same thing ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From billdentin at aol.com Fri Jun 8 20:12:15 2012 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 22:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! In-Reply-To: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> References: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CF13FC6C3CFAC1-3E14-BC0A@webmail-m171.sysops.aol.com> And, of course, John was with us at the Mitty in Atlanta that whole week end. The old, but classy, A/H was parked right across the access road from the Beady Eye paddock. Steve Belfer's wife, Davi, is one of the original names on the boot. Count me in. I'll send a check. Bill Dentinger From rwestfall at ymail.com Fri Jun 8 21:17:51 2012 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! Message-ID: <1339211871.7889.YahooMailMobile@web162304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The check is in the mail, and no this check won't be one of the old three biggest lies story. I lost my lovely wife Linda to ovarian cancer in November of 2001and I'm proud to help the cause in her name. This "unpleasant" man is one of those people who is a member of that group I call the "sub-species" they appear to be human but they lack a soul. Russ Westfall From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Fri Jun 8 21:54:49 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 20:54:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Facebook Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A405E@TITAN.dwholdings.local> I have taken the liberty of starting a FoT Facebook page. I promise not to divulge private, secret or proprietary club information. If you would like to join, simply go to: http://www.facebook.com/FriendsOfTriumph If you would like to post photos, send to me and I will post. Stories, lies, etc. are welcomed. Ed Dunn '71 GT6 #757 '64 Spitfire #22 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Jun 8 22:35:35 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 22:35:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Drive Away Cancer, response from Advance Video and Security. Message-ID: I sent .. an inquiry.of sorts to Advance Security and this is the response I received. James, It is our company's policy to boot any car illegally parked on our lot. We have had issues in the past with cars that are parked in the lot illegally causing damage to the cars of our employees. We are required to collect the money because if we let one person go then we can be held liable to refund all previous violators. However, the money collected does not go to the company. All money collected from the boot is donated to the Big Oak Ranch. The Big Oak Ranch is a Christian home that takes in children that have no home, family or a place to go. Currently they house more than 100 children. The Big Oak Ranch is a great charity and I highly recommend donating to them. Here is their link http://www.bigoak.org/ . Thank you very much for visiting our website and have a pleasant weekend. God Bless. Joey Sent from my iPhone I'm not buying it which is exactly what I told Mr. Joey jim g From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jun 8 22:59:09 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:59:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Drive Away Cancer, response from Advance Video and Security. In-Reply-To: <20120609044524.D07F62C0D42@autox.team.net> References: <20120609044524.D07F62C0D42@autox.team.net> Message-ID: On John's facebook page there has been a minor firestorm over this issue. ADT Security corporate has been brought into the fray. The employee at this establishment which collected the $55 has apologized on John's facebook page (good strategy) and has claimed to have donated $500 to John's cause. Not sure if the check clears, etc., but it sounds like they may have realized the error in their ways. The local police has been asked if it's legal for private parties to "boot" cars and they don't allow it, but aren't going to do anything. Interesting, nonetheless. Tony At 11:35 PM 6/8/2012, you wrote: >I sent .. an inquiry.of sorts to Advance Security and this is the response I >received. > > > >James, > > > >It is our company's policy to boot any car illegally parked on our lot. We >have had issues in the past with cars that are parked in the lot illegally >causing damage to the cars of our employees. We are required to collect the >money because if we let one person go then we can be held liable to refund >all previous violators. However, the money collected does not go to the >company. All money collected from the boot is donated to the Big Oak Ranch. >The Big Oak Ranch is a Christian home that takes in children that have no >home, family or a place to go. Currently they house more than 100 children. >The Big Oak Ranch is a great charity and I highly recommend donating to >them. Here is their link http://www.bigoak.org/ . Thank you very much for >visiting our website and have a pleasant weekend. God Bless. > > > >Joey > > >Sent from my iPhone > > > >I'm not buying it which is exactly what I told Mr. Joey > > > >jim g >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Jun 9 07:57:26 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! Message-ID: <13c27.4c8bd054.3d04b046@aol.com> In a message dated 06/09/2012 8:42:24 AM Central Daylight Time, capecoventryracing at gmail.com writes: > <<< P.S. it may be a Healey but there's an FOT sticker on the driver's > door. >>> > Truth be told...when I was in High School (mid-1950s) it was the Austin Healey that really caught my eye. I thought it was gorgeous. I actually owned one for about three months after I got out of the Navy. But I couldn't keep it running, so I bought a Ford (also heavily influenced by the fact that Shirley and I had three children under three. Back when I was In High School, I thought that the Triumph TR3 looked a little too much like Winston Churchill to be pretty. But I was wrong. I finally bought a TR3A in 1977, and a second early TR3 in 1979. And of course, since then...down through the years the TR3 has won me over big time, and I have not strayed. Bill Dentinger From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 08:13:31 2012 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 07:13:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! In-Reply-To: <13c27.4c8bd054.3d04b046@aol.com> References: <13c27.4c8bd054.3d04b046@aol.com> Message-ID: I forgot to mention that if there's a name we can add just let us know and if there's someone who'd like a visit we can stop by anytime. On Jun 9, 2012 9:57 AM, wrote: > In a message dated 06/09/2012 8:42:24 AM Central Daylight Time, > capecoventryracing at gmail.com writes: > > > <<< P.S. it may be a Healey but there's an FOT sticker on the driver's > door. >>> > > > Truth be told...when I was in High School (mid-1950s) it was the Austin > Healey that really caught my eye. I thought it was gorgeous. I actually > owned one for about three months after I got out of the Navy. But I > couldn't keep it running, so I bought a Ford (also heavily influenced by > the fact that Shirley and I had three children under three. > > Back when I was In High School, I thought that the Triumph TR3 looked a > little too much like Winston Churchill to be pretty. But I was wrong. I > finally bought a TR3A in 1977, and a second early TR3 in 1979. And of > course, since then...down through the years the TR3 has won me over big > time, and I have not strayed. > > Bill Dentinger From pcdelux at verizon.net Sat Jun 9 08:25:08 2012 From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 10:25:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! References: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <002a01cd464b$ad0f8760$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0> Mark, Two donations on the way, team.net and Gracie. Also I think Grace needs a F.O.T. sticker somewhere! Bill DeWar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 5:34 PM Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! > I know this is not within the usual scope of discussion for this list, > please bear with me. > > Go to http://www.ebay.com/drive-away-cancer - some of you may recognize > that fellow behind the wheel. And the car is obviously not a Triumph. > > Scroll down and read about the incident that occurred this afternoon > near Birmingham, Alabama. > > I was just planning on sending out the info about the > "unpleasant man" insisting on getting his $55 parking "fine" but > I've been thinking about it. That guy basically stole $55 from sick > kids in the hospital. That is a BAD thing, if you ask me. > > John is doing a GOOD thing. And those who do good things should > be rewarded tenfold. So to that end I am going to challenge all of > us on Team.Net to come up with $550 to give to him. > > If you are of like mind, and use Paypal, the address is > grace at autox.team.net. > > If you want to send a check, payable to Team.Net, send it to: > > Team Net > PO Box 58333 > Salt Lake City, UT 84158. > > Make sure you tag the funds as being for John, I don't want to steal $55 > from him thinking the money was meant for the Fat Chance Garage Tool > and Beverage fund - I'm not a godless, greed driven scumbag! > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux at verizon.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 07:42:19 2012 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:42:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! In-Reply-To: <1339211871.7889.YahooMailMobile@web162304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1339211871.7889.YahooMailMobile@web162304.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8368692F-DAD1-47D0-8495-3562AFB1D721@gmail.com> Thank you all so much! In case you haven't read about the car there is a nice article in Hemming's at the following link http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2012/04/24/driving-away-cancer-a-50-state- odyssey-begins/ We made it to Tennessee and gave rides all night to a sick 9 year old girl and her friends at her slumber party before she has surgery next week. We've given rides to over 500 sick children and have the names now of almost 8,000 people who've been lost to cancer, are fighting it now or have survived it in the past. family and friends of FOTers are unfortunately all over the car as are the names for a couple of non-cancer exceptions including Unle Jack. We were so touched by what happened yesterday that we gave Trinity's father (the sick little girl) all the cash we raised yesterday in PayPal donations to buy her a great birthday present and to pay some hospital bills they're having trouble paying. Thanks again Mark and Joe! You rock. P.S. it may be a Healey but there's an FOT sticker on the driver's door. Sent from my iPad On Jun 8, 2012, at 11:17 PM, Russell Westfall wrote: > The check is in the mail, and no this check won't be one of the old three biggest lies story. I lost my lovely wife Linda to ovarian cancer in November of 2001and I'm proud to help the cause in her name. This "unpleasant" man is one of those people who is a member of that group I call the "sub-species" they appear to be human but they lack a soul. > Russ Westfall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 09:02:08 2012 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 08:02:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! In-Reply-To: <002a01cd464b$ad0f8760$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0> References: <4FD26FFE.1060701@bradakis.com> <002a01cd464b$ad0f8760$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0> Message-ID: Grace has an FOT sticker on the driver's door, an Uncle Jack sticker on her trunk and had a VTR grill badge that we gave to our local Triumph club. She may be a Healey but she's got a lot of Triumph in her. On Jun 9, 2012 10:44 AM, "William Dewar" wrote: > Mark, Two donations on the way, team.net and Gracie. > Also I think Grace needs a F.O.T. sticker somewhere! > > Bill DeWar > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark J Bradakis" > To: "Friends of Triumph" > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 5:34 PM > Subject: [Fot] Sheesh! > > > > I know this is not within the usual scope of discussion for this list, > > please bear with me. > > > > Go to http://www.ebay.com/drive-away-cancer - some of you may recognize > > that fellow behind the wheel. And the car is obviously not a Triumph. > > > > Scroll down and read about the incident that occurred this afternoon > > near Birmingham, Alabama. > > > > I was just planning on sending out the info about the > > "unpleasant man" insisting on getting his $55 parking "fine" but > > I've been thinking about it. That guy basically stole $55 from sick > > kids in the hospital. That is a BAD thing, if you ask me. > > > > John is doing a GOOD thing. And those who do good things should > > be rewarded tenfold. So to that end I am going to challenge all of > > us on Team.Net to come up with $550 to give to him. > > > > If you are of like mind, and use Paypal, the address is > > grace at autox.team.net. > > > > If you want to send a check, payable to Team.Net, send it to: > > > > Team Net > > PO Box 58333 > > Salt Lake City, UT 84158. > > > > Make sure you tag the funds as being for John, I don't want to steal $55 > > from him thinking the money was meant for the Fat Chance Garage Tool > > and Beverage fund - I'm not a godless, greed driven scumbag! > > > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sat Jun 9 10:28:50 2012 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Temp guage wiring Message-ID: <1339259330.37559.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I need help identifying which terminal is fed from the voltage stabilizer and which one goes to the sensor on my 1961 TR 4. Wiring code will not help as the factory loom is gone. So I need to know which is right and which is left looking at the back of the guage. Thanks, Ken Suhre From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Jun 9 10:34:49 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 09:34:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Temp guage wiring In-Reply-To: <1339259330.37559.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1339259330.37559.YahooMailClassic@web111410.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <058901cd465d$ca7d13f0$0601a8c0@randall> > I need help identifying which terminal is fed from the > voltage stabilizer and > which one goes to the sensor on my 1961 TR 4. It makes no difference, either way will work the same. Inside the gauge is just a heater. -- Randall From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 9 10:56:18 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 12:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 INTAKE MANIFOLD AVAILABLE delete if not relevant to you. Message-ID: <8CF1477EC82C89C-19A8-37F5A@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> If anyone needs one, it could easily leave Iowa. Contact me Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat Jun 9 11:45:57 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 11:45:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] How light can you make a stock TR4 crank? Message-ID: FoT As the subject line says I'm wondering what experience the group has in lightening our stock cranks. How light can you go and what, if any negatives of lightening ( change harmonics ) ? jim g From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sat Jun 9 12:31:53 2012 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 11:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Temp guage wiring In-Reply-To: <058901cd465d$ca7d13f0$0601a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <1339266713.80027.YahooMailClassic@web111408.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks, Randall --- On Sat, 6/9/12, Randall wrote: From: Randall Subject: RE: [Fot] Temp guage wiring To: "'Ken Suhre'" , "'FOT'" Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 11:34 AM > I need help identifying which terminal is fed from the > voltage stabilizer and > which one goes to the sensor on my 1961 TR 4. It makes no difference, either way will work the same. Inside the gauge is just a heater. -- Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 9 13:00:31 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 19:00:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] How light can you make a stock TR4 crank? Message-ID: In short terms of time a new crank will be on the market for TR4. Designed by a F1 supplier. As far I know about that crank it is 2kg heavier than stock, cause of the resonance. Cheers Chris ------Originalnachricht------ Von: Jim Gray Absender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net An: 'FOT List' Betreff: [Fot] How light can you make a stock TR4 crank? Gesendet: 9. Jun. 2012 19:45 FoT As the subject line says I'm wondering what experience the group has in lightening our stock cranks. How light can you go and what, if any negatives of lightening ( change harmonics ) ? jim g _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Sat Jun 9 13:38:37 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 12:38:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Facebook In-Reply-To: <8CF1450B746E0B7-19A8-32461@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A405E@TITAN.dwholdings.local> <8CF1450B746E0B7-19A8-32461@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A405F@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Understand Joe. Apologies if I overstepped bounds. Anyone gets their panties in a bunch, and it will be closed asap. I'm all for sharing the word on these cool cars, especially the racing aspect far and wide. If we need to keep it a secret, not a problem. Ed From: Joe Alexander [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 5:16 AM To: Edward Dunn Subject: Re: [Fot] Facebook is this, or can it be a 'closed group' where no one but FOT can use it? i like the idea, but administration can be problematic. one of the issues with the other one was that it was open to the public. a good administrator will keep it alive and people will be happy. i am not real savvy on the use of the application. looks like you have a good start. CHECK OUT: " FOLLOWERS OF THE FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH" it started out quite good, but fell by the wayside.....but mainly because of one grumpy FOT. this could be a nice feature if handled well. thanks. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Edward Dunn > To: fot > Sent: Fri, Jun 8, 2012 11:00 pm Subject: [Fot] Facebook I have taken the liberty of starting a FoT Facebook page. I promise not to divulge private, secret or proprietary club information. If you would like to join, simply go to: http://www.facebook.com/FriendsOfTriumph If you would like to post photos, send to me and I will post. Stories, lies, etc. are welcomed. Ed Dunn '71 GT6 #757 '64 Spitfire #22 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sat Jun 9 14:00:53 2012 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (Aaron Johnson) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:00:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed Message-ID: Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part with? I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! Aaron #87 HP spitfire 1500 317-517-4587 Sent from my iPhone From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jun 9 14:25:29 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:25:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! , On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson wrote: > Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part with? > > I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > > Aaron > #87 HP spitfire 1500 > 317-517-4587 > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 9 14:27:40 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 20:27:40 +0000 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: MAM - men at machines? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:25:29 To: Aaron Johnson Cc: spitfires; fot Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! , On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson wrote: > Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part with? > > I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > > Aaron > #87 HP spitfire 1500 > 317-517-4587 > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Jun 9 14:44:09 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:44:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> Jason....are you going to MO? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > , > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson wrote: > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part with? >> >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! >> >> Aaron >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 >> 317-517-4587 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jun 9 14:54:45 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:54:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> Message-ID: No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA (Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Jason....are you going to MO? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > , > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson >wrote: > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > with? > >> > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > >> > >> Aaron > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > >> 317-517-4587 > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Jun 9 14:55:41 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:55:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh.....and by the way, my guess is Mid America Motorsport ......West of St. Louis. Raced my bike there in the 80's... Roughest bump filled track I ever ran Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > , > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson wrote: > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part with? >> >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! >> >> Aaron >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 >> 317-517-4587 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 9 15:00:00 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: John Hasty Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA (Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Jason....are you going to MO? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > , > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson >wrote: > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > with? > >> > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > >> > >> Aaron > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > >> 317-517-4587 > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 9 15:04:04 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 21:04:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend Message-ID: Anybody going to Spa ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jun 9 15:13:27 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:13:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: <20120609211007.75BD42D024A@autox.team.net> References: <20120609211007.75BD42D024A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: In my dreams... You lucky S.O.B. do you know that one? On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:04 PM, wrote: > Anybody going to Spa ;-) > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 9 15:13:32 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> References: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> John Nikas and I were at the SPAs last week. The American Spa known as Hot Springs. I am sure it's not the same. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: tr4racing Cc: fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:11 pm Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend Anybody going to Spa ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 9 15:14:23 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 21:14:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211007.75BD42D024A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: sOB- sand on boobs? Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:13:27 To: Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend In my dreams... You lucky S.O.B. do you know that one? On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:04 PM, wrote: > Anybody going to Spa ;-) > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jun 9 15:16:09 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:16:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: <915014554-1339276464-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-604305916-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> References: <20120609211007.75BD42D024A@autox.team.net> <915014554-1339276464-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-604305916-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: You got it on the first try! On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:14 PM, wrote: > ** > sOB- sand on boobs? > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > ------------------------------ > *From: * Jason Ostrowski > *Date: *Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:13:27 -0500 > *To: * > *Cc: * > *Subject: *Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > In my dreams... You lucky S.O.B. > do you know that one? > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:04 PM, wrote: > >> Anybody going to Spa ;-) >> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Sat Jun 9 15:26:00 2012 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:26:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> References: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I hope not. There was no track and the majority of cars leaked oil. On Jun 9, 2012 5:14 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > John Nikas and I were at the SPAs last week. The American Spa known as Hot > Springs. I am sure it's not the same. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tr4racing > Cc: fot > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:11 pm > Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > > Anybody going to Spa ;-) > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 9 15:30:18 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 21:30:18 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Keen on flying through Eau Rouge. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: John Nikas Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:26:00 To: Joe Alexander Cc: ; Subject: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend I hope not. There was no track and the majority of cars leaked oil. On Jun 9, 2012 5:14 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > John Nikas and I were at the SPAs last week. The American Spa known as Hot > Springs. I am sure it's not the same. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tr4racing > Cc: fot > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:11 pm > Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > > Anybody going to Spa ;-) > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jun 9 15:38:22 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:38:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: <20120609212940.EAD9A2D02A2@autox.team.net> References: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <20120609212940.EAD9A2D02A2@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Love to see the camera record the compression of your rear suspenssion through Eau Rouge. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM, wrote: > Keen on flying through Eau Rouge. > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Nikas > Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:26:00 > To: Joe Alexander > Cc: ; > Subject: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > I hope not. There was no track and the majority of cars leaked oil. > On Jun 9, 2012 5:14 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > > > John Nikas and I were at the SPAs last week. The American Spa known as > Hot > > Springs. I am sure it's not the same. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > A. R. E. > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tr4racing > > Cc: fot > > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:11 pm > > Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > > > > > Anybody going to Spa ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Sat Jun 9 15:40:27 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:40:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA Message-ID: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com> Friends of Triumph: Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well represented. Donny Sopp Spitfire Bill Rampe Spitfire Steve Groh Spitfire Russ Moore Spitfire Richard Brown Spitfire Mark Wheatley TR-4 Jeff Clark GT-6 Vince Garrett GT-6+ Plus late entries. In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will be follow up reports. If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself to make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend with more seat time than you can imagine. ".bet you can't do it just once!" Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 9 15:42:02 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 21:42:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <20120609212940.EAD9A2D02A2@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I wouldn't dare to mount the camera at this position in a race. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:38:22 To: Cc: John Nikas; Joe Alexander; Subject: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend Love to see the camera record the compression of your rear suspenssion through Eau Rouge. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM, wrote: > Keen on flying through Eau Rouge. > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Nikas > Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:26:00 > To: Joe Alexander > Cc: ; > Subject: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > I hope not. There was no track and the majority of cars leaked oil. > On Jun 9, 2012 5:14 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > > > John Nikas and I were at the SPAs last week. The American Spa known as > Hot > > Springs. I am sure it's not the same. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > A. R. E. > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tr4racing > > Cc: fot > > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:11 pm > > Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > > > > > Anybody going to Spa ;-) > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jun 9 15:54:31 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:54:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: <76335658-1339278121-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-390508717-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> References: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <20120609212940.EAD9A2D02A2@autox.team.net> <76335658-1339278121-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-390508717-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: Smart! I imagine It would be safe to say it would be at the THE MAXIMUM. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:42 PM, wrote: > ** > I wouldn't dare to mount the camera at this position in a race. > > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > ------------------------------ > *From: * Jason Ostrowski > *Date: *Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:38:22 -0500 > *To: * > *Cc: *John Nikas; Joe Alexander< > n197tr4 at cs.com>; > *Subject: *Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > Love to see the camera record the compression of your rear suspenssion > through Eau Rouge. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM, wrote: > >> Keen on flying through Eau Rouge. >> >> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Nikas >> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:26:00 >> To: Joe Alexander >> Cc: ; >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend >> >> I hope not. There was no track and the majority of cars leaked oil. >> On Jun 9, 2012 5:14 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: >> >> > John Nikas and I were at the SPAs last week. The American Spa known as >> Hot >> > Springs. I am sure it's not the same. >> > >> > >> > Joe Alexander >> > A. R. E. >> > 645 1st Street >> > Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> > 319.464.4711 (cell) >> > n197tr4 at cs.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: tr4racing >> > Cc: fot >> > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:11 pm >> > Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend >> > >> > >> > Anybody going to Spa ;-) >> > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 9 16:01:10 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 22:01:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211007.6996A2D0249@autox.team.net> <8CF149BDC032BE3-19A8-3DEE0@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <20120609212940.EAD9A2D02A2@autox.team.net> <76335658-1339278121-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-390508717-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: I could purchase another video chanel for my video system. That would blend in a third view. These finger cameras are then easy to mount. But would cost too much I think. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:54:31 To: Cc: John Nikas; Joe Alexander; Subject: Re: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend Smart! I imagine It would be safe to say it would be at the THE MAXIMUM. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:42 PM, wrote: > ** > I wouldn't dare to mount the camera at this position in a race. > > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > ------------------------------ > *From: * Jason Ostrowski > *Date: *Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:38:22 -0500 > *To: * > *Cc: *John Nikas; Joe Alexander< > n197tr4 at cs.com>; > *Subject: *Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend > > Love to see the camera record the compression of your rear suspenssion > through Eau Rouge. > > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM, wrote: > >> Keen on flying through Eau Rouge. >> >> Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: John Nikas >> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 14:26:00 >> To: Joe Alexander >> Cc: ; >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Spa next weekend >> >> I hope not. There was no track and the majority of cars leaked oil. >> On Jun 9, 2012 5:14 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: >> >> > John Nikas and I were at the SPAs last week. The American Spa known as >> Hot >> > Springs. I am sure it's not the same. >> > >> > >> > Joe Alexander >> > A. R. E. >> > 645 1st Street >> > Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> > 319.464.4711 (cell) >> > n197tr4 at cs.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: tr4racing >> > Cc: fot >> > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:11 pm >> > Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend >> > >> > >> > Anybody going to Spa ;-) >> > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 9 16:01:28 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 18:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA now Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page In-Reply-To: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com> References: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CF14A28DF8F9A3-19A8-3F209@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Russ, this one of the best North American events, as we all know. Thanks for the heads up on the entries. Ed Dunn has volunteered to administer a FACEBOOK 'PAGE' to post pictures and adventures of the FOT. This and Black Hawk Farms "THE Black Hawk Classic" would be a great start to showcasing our Triumphs. The SPA would work well, too. The current format of a FACEBOOK PAGE seems to do a nice job of displaying pictures. Dave Riddle tried this once and I didnt support him like I should have. My apologies to Dave. Get those digital cameras out and send pics and videos to ED DUNN. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing To: fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:42 pm Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA Friends of Triumph: Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well represented. Donny Sopp Spitfire Bill Rampe Spitfire Steve Groh Spitfire Russ Moore Spitfire Richard Brown Spitfire Mark Wheatley TR-4 Jeff Clark GT-6 Vince Garrett GT-6+ Plus late entries. In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will be follow up reports. If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself to make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend with more seat time than you can imagine. ".bet you can't do it just once!" Russ Moore Spitfire #49 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jun 9 16:20:53 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:20:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA now Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page In-Reply-To: <8CF14A28DF8F9A3-19A8-3F209@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> References: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com> <8CF14A28DF8F9A3-19A8-3F209@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <09AE7627-E23E-4261-BBFC-429D01396C8F@austin.rr.com> I think the main concern with a Facebook page was posting/reposting stuff that Fot members never intended to share with the general public. With friends of friends we have to be careful. Can we make the purpose of the Facebook page to post photos from events as its main purpose? That would be a major plus to the FoT at large, and we all know we can't send pictures through the list. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Russ, this one of the best North American events, as we all know. Thanks for > the heads up on the entries. > > Ed Dunn has volunteered to administer a FACEBOOK 'PAGE' to post pictures and > adventures of the FOT. This and Black Hawk Farms "THE Black Hawk Classic" > would be a great start to showcasing our Triumphs. The SPA would work well, > too. > > The current format of a FACEBOOK PAGE seems to do a nice job of displaying > pictures. > > Dave Riddle tried this once and I didnt support him like I should have. My > apologies to Dave. > > Get those digital cameras out and send pics and videos to ED DUNN. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Spitfire Racing > To: fot > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:42 pm > Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA > > > Friends of Triumph: > > > > Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well > represented. > > Donny Sopp Spitfire > > Bill Rampe Spitfire > > Steve Groh Spitfire > > Russ Moore Spitfire > > Richard Brown Spitfire > > Mark Wheatley TR-4 > > Jeff Clark GT-6 > > Vince Garrett GT-6+ > > Plus late entries. > > > > In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just > inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will be > follow up reports. > > If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself to > make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend > with more seat time than you can imagine. > > > > ".bet you can't do it just once!" > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From jason at multivintage.com Sat Jun 9 16:37:37 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:37:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA now Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page In-Reply-To: <09AE7627-E23E-4261-BBFC-429D01396C8F@austin.rr.com> References: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com> <8CF14A28DF8F9A3-19A8-3F209@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <09AE7627-E23E-4261-BBFC-429D01396C8F@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: Right! Like this would be for stuff that could be seen by anyone from the edge of a race track or in a paddock. But FOR those that could not make it to the event. That sounds like it could be cool. P.S. I admit.... I've never once logged on to Facebook. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > I think the main concern with a Facebook page was posting/reposting stuff > that > Fot members never intended to share with the general public. With friends > of > friends we have to be careful. Can we make the purpose of the Facebook > page to > post photos from events as its main purpose? That would be a major plus to > the > FoT at large, and we all know we can't send pictures through the list. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > > Russ, this one of the best North American events, as we all know. Thanks > for > > the heads up on the entries. > > > > Ed Dunn has volunteered to administer a FACEBOOK 'PAGE' to post pictures > and > > adventures of the FOT. This and Black Hawk Farms "THE Black Hawk > Classic" > > would be a great start to showcasing our Triumphs. The SPA would work > well, > > too. > > > > The current format of a FACEBOOK PAGE seems to do a nice job of > displaying > > pictures. > > > > Dave Riddle tried this once and I didnt support him like I should have. > My > > apologies to Dave. > > > > Get those digital cameras out and send pics and videos to ED DUNN. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > A. R. E. > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Spitfire Racing > > To: fot > > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:42 pm > > Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA > > > > > > Friends of Triumph: > > > > > > > > Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well > > represented. > > > > Donny Sopp Spitfire > > > > Bill Rampe Spitfire > > > > Steve Groh Spitfire > > > > Russ Moore Spitfire > > > > Richard Brown Spitfire > > > > Mark Wheatley TR-4 > > > > Jeff Clark GT-6 > > > > Vince Garrett GT-6+ > > > > Plus late entries. > > > > > > > > In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just > > inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will > be > > follow up reports. > > > > If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself > to > > make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend > > with more seat time than you can imagine. > > > > > > > > ".bet you can't do it just once!" > > > > > > > > Russ Moore > > > > Spitfire #49 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 9 16:50:36 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 18:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page In-Reply-To: <09AE7627-E23E-4261-BBFC-429D01396C8F@austin.rr.com> References: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com> <8CF14A28DF8F9A3-19A8-3F209@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <09AE7627-E23E-4261-BBFC-429D01396C8F@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <8CF14A96B5AA2F0-19A8-3FC11@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Bob, Yes, Ed and I have been talking about the history of this and he is sensitive to the issues. Events can and will be a main focus.....makes sense. Ed will be the administrator of the content. Postings of any concern can be edited or deleted. If it feels good, it will grow and we will learn as we go. Looking at the current format of a FACEBOOK PAGE, it looks quite good and potentially a great asset to us. I'd say we get behind it and enjoy the benefits. Tying the FOT at work together, with pictures of us at events overcomes a lot of the geography we deal with. For instance, the guys in Colorado are quite photogenic. Thanks for jumping in with a comment, Bob. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer To: Joe Alexander Cc: Spitfire_Racing ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 5:20 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA now Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page I think the main concern with a Facebook page was posting/reposting stuff that Fot members never intended to share with the general public. With friends of friends we have to be careful. Can we make the purpose of the Facebook page to post photos from events as its main purpose? That would be a major plus to the FoT at large, and we all know we can't send pictures through the list. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Russ, this one of the best North American events, as we all know. Thanks for > the heads up on the entries. > > Ed Dunn has volunteered to administer a FACEBOOK 'PAGE' to post pictures and > adventures of the FOT. This and Black Hawk Farms "THE Black Hawk Classic" > would be a great start to showcasing our Triumphs. The SPA would work well, > too. > > The current format of a FACEBOOK PAGE seems to do a nice job of displaying > pictures. > > Dave Riddle tried this once and I didnt support him like I should have. My > apologies to Dave. > > Get those digital cameras out and send pics and videos to ED DUNN. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Spitfire Racing > To: fot > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:42 pm > Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA > > > Friends of Triumph: > > > > Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well > represented. > > Donny Sopp Spitfire > > Bill Rampe Spitfire > > Steve Groh Spitfire > > Russ Moore Spitfire > > Richard Brown Spitfire > > Mark Wheatley TR-4 > > Jeff Clark GT-6 > > Vince Garrett GT-6+ > > Plus late entries. > > > > In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just > inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will be > follow up reports. > > If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself to > make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend > with more seat time than you can imagine. > > > > ".bet you can't do it just once!" > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat Jun 9 16:56:16 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (PAUL MACDONALD) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 15:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA In-Reply-To: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1339282576.11946.YahooMailClassic@web88603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The following will also be there Peter Bulkowski TR8 Benoit Laflamme TR8 --- On Sat, 6/9/12, Spitfire Racing wrote: From: Spitfire Racing Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 9:40 PM Friends of Triumph: Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well represented. Donny Sopp Spitfire Bill Rampe Spitfire Steve Groh Spitfire Russ Moore Spitfire Richard Brown Spitfire Mark Wheatley TR-4 Jeff Clark GT-6 Vince Garrett GT-6+ Plus late entries. In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will be follow up reports. If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself to make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend with more seat time than you can imagine. ".bet you can't do it just once!" Russ Moore Spitfire #49 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jun 9 17:15:00 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 17:15:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <4FD3D8F4.7090403@bradakis.com> wtf ? mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jun 9 18:19:50 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2012 19:19:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I'll be there. Tony Drews At 04:00 PM 6/9/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. > >Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. > >That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jason Ostrowski >To: John Hasty >Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson >; fot >Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm >Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed > > >No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA >(Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car >With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. > > > >On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > > > Jason....are you going to MO? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > > wrote: > > > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > > , > > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson > >wrote: > > > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > > with? > > >> > > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > > >> > > >> Aaron > > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > > >> 317-517-4587 > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> fot at autox.team.net > > >> > > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > > >> > > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > >> Unsubscribe: > > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sat Jun 9 19:02:13 2012 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 18:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: <20120610001909.E8A662D0286@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1339290133.73548.YahooMailClassic@web111413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Me too! TR 4 #791. First time in a TR since 1964. People that know me know what else I have been having fun with since 1993. Ken Suhre --- On Sat, 6/9/12, Tony Drews wrote: From: Tony Drews Subject: Re: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL To: "Joe Alexander" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 7:19 PM I'll be there. Tony Drews At 04:00 PM 6/9/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. > >Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. > >That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jason Ostrowski >To: John Hasty >Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson >; fot >Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm >Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed > > >No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA >(Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car >With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. > > > >On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > > > Jason....are you going to MO? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > > wrote: > > > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > > , > > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson > >wrote: > > > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > > with? > > >> > > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > > >> > > >> Aaron > > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > > >> 317-517-4587 > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> fot at autox.team.net > > >> > > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > > >> > > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > >> Unsubscribe: > > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 9 19:14:44 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 21:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: <1339290133.73548.YahooMailClassic@web111413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1339290133.73548.YahooMailClassic@web111413.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CF14BD8DEA8B91-19A8-42609@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> ok....this is very good. Bill, Jason, Sean, Ken, Tony....likely more. Bob? Scott? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Ken Suhre To: Joe Alexander ; Tony Drews Cc: fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 8:03 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Me too! TR 4 #791. First time in a TR since 1964. People that know me know what else I have been having fun with since 1993. Ken Suhre --- On Sat, 6/9/12, Tony Drews wrote: From: Tony Drews Subject: Re: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL To: "Joe Alexander" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, June 9, 2012, 7:19 PM I'll be there. Tony Drews At 04:00 PM 6/9/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. > >Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. > >That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jason Ostrowski >To: John Hasty >Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson >; fot >Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm >Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed > > >No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA >(Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car >With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. > > > >On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > > > Jason....are you going to MO? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > > wrote: > > > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > > , > > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson > >wrote: > > > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > > with? > > >> > > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > > >> > > >> Aaron > > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > > >> 317-517-4587 > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> fot at autox.team.net > > >> > > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > > >> > > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > >> Unsubscribe: > > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sat Jun 9 19:19:12 2012 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (Aaron Johnson) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 20:19:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <286FCE57-E0D5-45CB-AECF-0BE7102C7452@comcast.net> Mid-America Motorplex in pacific junction Iowa. Race track just outside of Omaha. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2012, at 3:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > , > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson wrote: > Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part with? > > I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > > Aaron > #87 HP spitfire 1500 > 317-517-4587 > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Jun 9 20:49:51 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 22:49:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page In-Reply-To: <8CF14A96B5AA2F0-19A8-3FC11@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> References: <000601cd4688$7c66a250$7533e6f0$@rr.com>, <8CF14A28DF8F9A3-19A8-3F209@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com>, <09AE7627-E23E-4261-BBFC-429D01396C8F@austin.rr.com>, <8CF14A96B5AA2F0-19A8-3FC11@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Gosh, I have avoided facebook like the plague so far. Don't tell me it's my old car hobby that is going to drag me kicking and screaming into this new fangled facebook stuff......:) Marty ---------------------------------------- > To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 18:50:36 -0400 > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page > > Bob, > > Yes, Ed and I have been talking about the history of this and he is sensitive > to the issues. > > Events can and will be a main focus.....makes sense. > > Ed will be the administrator of the content. Postings of any concern can be > edited or deleted. > > If it feels good, it will grow and we will learn as we go. > > Looking at the current format of a FACEBOOK PAGE, it looks quite good and > potentially a great asset to us. > > I'd say we get behind it and enjoy the benefits. Tying the FOT at work > together, with pictures of us at events overcomes a lot of the geography we > deal with. > > For instance, the guys in Colorado are quite photogenic. > > Thanks for jumping in with a comment, Bob. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Kramer > To: Joe Alexander > Cc: Spitfire_Racing ; fot > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 5:20 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA now Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook > Page > > > I think the main concern with a Facebook page was posting/reposting stuff that > Fot members never intended to share with the general public. With friends of > friends we have to be careful. Can we make the purpose of the Facebook page to > post photos from events as its main purpose? That would be a major plus to the > FoT at large, and we all know we can't send pictures through the list. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > > Russ, this one of the best North American events, as we all know. Thanks > for > > the heads up on the entries. > > > > Ed Dunn has volunteered to administer a FACEBOOK 'PAGE' to post pictures > and > > adventures of the FOT. This and Black Hawk Farms "THE Black Hawk Classic" > > would be a great start to showcasing our Triumphs. The SPA would work > well, > > too. > > > > The current format of a FACEBOOK PAGE seems to do a nice job of displaying > > pictures. > > > > Dave Riddle tried this once and I didnt support him like I should have. My > > apologies to Dave. > > > > Get those digital cameras out and send pics and videos to ED DUNN. > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > A. R. E. > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Spitfire Racing > > To: fot > > Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 4:42 pm > > Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA > > > > > > Friends of Triumph: > > > > > > > > Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well > > represented. > > > > Donny Sopp Spitfire > > > > Bill Rampe Spitfire > > > > Steve Groh Spitfire > > > > Russ Moore Spitfire > > > > Richard Brown Spitfire > > > > Mark Wheatley TR-4 > > > > Jeff Clark GT-6 > > > > Vince Garrett GT-6+ > > > > Plus late entries. > > > > > > > > In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just > > inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will > be > > follow up reports. > > > > If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself > to > > make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend > > with more seat time than you can imagine. > > > > > > > > ".bet you can't do it just once!" > > > > > > > > Russ Moore > > > > Spitfire #49 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From garygret at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 9 21:39:03 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 20:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 oil filter bolt Message-ID: <1339299543.10659.YahooMailRC@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anyone know the thread size of the long bolt that holds the TR6 oil filter canister or spin-on adapter, or better yet have one they could spare? Mine somehow disappeared during an overly-long rebuild project, and neither a 7/16-14 or 7/16-20 seems to thread in nicely. (Sure hope my block threads aren't trashed, since the engine's back in the car.) Moss/TRF/VB show the bolt as NLA. Thanks, Gary Schneider From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Jun 10 05:14:52 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 07:14:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 oil filter bolt References: <1339299543.10659.YahooMailRC@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Gary, I have a spare or two. Do you need the whole canister setup? Let me know where to send it. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Schneider" To: "FOT" Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 11:39 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 oil filter bolt > Anyone know the thread size of the long bolt that holds the TR6 oil filter > canister or spin-on adapter, or better yet have one they could spare? Mine > somehow disappeared during an overly-long rebuild project, and neither a > 7/16-14 > or 7/16-20 seems to thread in nicely. (Sure hope my block threads aren't > trashed, since the engine's back in the car.) Moss/TRF/VB show the bolt as > NLA. > > Thanks, > Gary Schneider > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Sun Jun 10 06:39:32 2012 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 08:39:32 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA Message-ID: <6118754.1339331972682.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> It is a wonderfully great track to run! And a nice friendly organization as well. If you cant scare yourself at Mosport you just have icewater for blood. I'm thrilled that the Ghetto is being exported to Canada but we should worry a little about that many Spitfires all in one place. My favorite line from Mike Rosen, past President of VARAC, when Sunday was around 60 degF after Saturday had been nearly 90; "yesterday was summer" Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Spitfire Racing >Sent: Jun 9, 2012 5:40 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA > >Friends of Triumph: > > > >Next weekend is the Mosport weekend extravaganza and Triumph will be well >represented. > >Donny Sopp Spitfire > >Bill Rampe Spitfire > >Steve Groh Spitfire > >Russ Moore Spitfire > >Richard Brown Spitfire > >Mark Wheatley TR-4 > >Jeff Clark GT-6 > >Vince Garrett GT-6+ > >Plus late entries. > > > >In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just >inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will be >follow up reports. > >If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself to >make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend >with more seat time than you can imagine. > > > >".bet you can't do it just once!" > > > >Russ Moore > >Spitfire #49 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net From igofaster at att.net Sun Jun 10 08:43:12 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 07:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Triumphs at Mosport, CA now Ed Dunn's FOT Facebook Page Message-ID: <1339339392.72742.YahooMailRC@web180810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> there is a Spitfire FB page I'm on, sometimes... I don't see the big deal... what is there 300 of us guys and gals around the world TRYING to race these cars and keep the Marque alive??? my freshman experience at the Mitty found 3 guys that have GT6's and want to race (I invited 3 to the FoT and I think all three came on board).....how can they get to the perceived level if we are not somewhat open about what we do and what we try to do with our cars? The emotion of the Triumph runs very very deep with all of us or we wouldn't be here trying to help each other, all of us, get on the track and hope for that one weekend when all is good in the drivers seat... and I don't mean getting a thumbs up from a flat tow... There are several young kids on the SPITFIRE FB page and it's kind of encouraging that maybe somebody besides us ole farts... can keep excited about the marque. I've got 4 grown kids and only one is excited about our street TR6 when I decide to let him have it.... face it, technology is changing and I think FB is just another way like GrassRoots MotorSports and Classic MotorSports is being used to bring in new people to the vintage Triumph Marque... heck... if you know me, you know I'm a blabber mouth and I'll share anything about my cars to anybody who will stop long enough to listen to me... a couple of weeks ago this couple was walking by my house and the garage was open to view with the GT6 in plain view.. this guys walks by, then asks about the car... turns out he's an old F18 Hornet pilot who flew with one of my best friends in the Saints squadron... he has a GT6 he and his dad wrenched on for a few years now he's ready to start do the same with his boys... we are somewhat all compelled to pass it along like my friends Bob and Andrew Kramer (father and son team).. Gregg and Bob Blake (father and son team) ... and even fellow GT6 racer Jason Ostrowski whom I met at the Mitty with his father who also raced GT6's ... Point is, I'm excited about the cars even though I've been through the emotional gamut on the highest highs and lowest lows as far as racing the Triumph is concerned... it's like gay marriage, I think they should be allowed to be just as miserable as the rest of us... uh,,,, welll,,,, sorry tooo much coffee this morning.... I take that back, but I think you could see the point is we should be an open community in some fashion to help other people find us and welcome them into our community... just saying... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 10 13:58:38 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 15:58:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Updated: Triumphs at Mosport, CA Message-ID: <001801cd4743$6d4b3a40$47e1aec0$@rr.com> Friends of Triumph: I have been given some additional information with even more Triumphs running at Mosport! At least two of the cars have GoPro cameras installed and I am sure there will be someone with a digital camera. Donny Sopp Spitfire Bill Rampe Spitfire Steve Groh Spitfire Russ Moore Spitfire Richard Brown Spitfire Mark Wheatley TR-4 Mike DeWeerd TR-4 Jeff Clark GT-6 Vince Garrett GT-6+ Peter Bulkowski TR8 Benoit Laflamme TR8 Plus late entries. In what has now become a tradition we will organize a Triumph Ghetto just inside turn 1 in the paddock below the paved section. I'm sure there will be follow up reports. If you've never been to Mosport or run with VARAC, you owe it to yourself to make it at least once. VARAC puts on a fabulous low key relaxing weekend with more seat time than you can imagine. ".bet you can't do it just once!" Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sun Jun 10 20:17:45 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:17:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000801cd4778$63cfc1e0$2b6f45a0$@com> Sadly, I don't think Ryan and I will make the race. I'm still putting the engine back together after just getting the parts back from the machine shop. I'm thinking of coming down on Saturday with the TR5 to visit. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 4:00 PM To: jason at multivintage.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net; fpspitfire at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: John Hasty Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA (Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Jason....are you going to MO? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > , > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson >wrote: > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > with? > >> > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > >> > >> Aaron > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > >> 317-517-4587 > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From rjohns at woh.rr.com Sun Jun 10 21:25:24 2012 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:25:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Question for Chris about Spa? Message-ID: <7637F4CFC03B4D20A39270E0C00C0A2A@Bucktailus> Chris, What course do you Vintage sports car guys use at Spa? The GP course or the original course? Bob Johns From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jun 10 22:43:23 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 04:43:23 +0000 Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: <000801cd4778$63cfc1e0$2b6f45a0$@com> References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <000801cd4778$63cfc1e0$2b6f45a0$@com> Message-ID: Don't give up. You can do it! A day has 24 hours if wifes doesn't disturb. Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: "Tim Murphy" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:17:45 To: 'Joe Alexander'; ; Cc: ; ; Subject: Re: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Sadly, I don't think Ryan and I will make the race. I'm still putting the engine back together after just getting the parts back from the machine shop. I'm thinking of coming down on Saturday with the TR5 to visit. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 4:00 PM To: jason at multivintage.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net; fpspitfire at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: John Hasty Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA (Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Jason....are you going to MO? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > , > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson >wrote: > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > with? > >> > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > >> > >> Aaron > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > >> 317-517-4587 > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jun 10 23:43:45 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 05:43:45 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Question for Chris about Spa? In-Reply-To: <7637F4CFC03B4D20A39270E0C00C0A2A@Bucktailus> References: <7637F4CFC03B4D20A39270E0C00C0A2A@Bucktailus> Message-ID: We run the GP version. The original track was taken off the public road course about 10 years ago. A good thing as the public roads in Belgium are not made for racing. Too many pot holes. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: "Robert Johns" Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:25:24 To: FOT team; MadMarx Subject: Question for Chris about Spa? Chris, What course do you Vintage sports car guys use at Spa? The GP course or the original course? Bob Johns From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 11 00:54:01 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 08:54:01 +0200 Subject: [Fot] The BeachBoys In-Reply-To: <20120611054322.2A2BF2D0385@autox.team.net> References: <7637F4CFC03B4D20A39270E0C00C0A2A@Bucktailus> <20120611054322.2A2BF2D0385@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000801cd479e$fc92dae0$f5b890a0$@com> America was us always ahead with having the BeachBoys. It took 50+years to build our own BeachBoys group ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltMGeUNA6lE Have phun! Chris From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 11 04:04:13 2012 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 03:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: <000801cd4778$63cfc1e0$2b6f45a0$@com> References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <000801cd4778$63cfc1e0$2b6f45a0$@com> Message-ID: <1339409053.69188.YahooMailNeo@web184412.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I plan to be there, but without car ... I just pulled the plug on the project ... many thanks to Scott Barr for trying to help me get there with the loan of an engine & tranny. Just too many "what ifs" etc ... my car will make the fall fest at RA for sure ... See you all there. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire ________________________________ From: Tim Murphy To: 'Joe Alexander' ; jason at multivintage.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net; fpspitfire at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Sadly, I don't think Ryan and I will make the race. I'm still putting the engine back together after just getting the parts back from the machine shop. I'm thinking of coming down on Saturday with the TR5 to visit. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 4:00 PM To: jason at multivintage.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net; fpspitfire at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: John Hasty Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA (Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Jason....are you going to MO? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > , > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson >wrote: > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > with? > >> > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > >> > >> Aaron > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > >> 317-517-4587 > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tstrange at sbcglobal.net From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 11 07:32:56 2012 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 06:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL In-Reply-To: <000801cd4778$63cfc1e0$2b6f45a0$@com> References: <3714075A-80A7-4AEF-8866-EBAC60D598C9@gdhs.com> <8CF1499F7AC0583-19A8-3D973@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com> <000801cd4778$63cfc1e0$2b6f45a0$@com> Message-ID: <1339421576.97609.YahooMailNeo@web184408.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> All, Assuming I can get a membership card, and get in .... I'll hopefully be bringing an engine down for Ernie .. I'll be there to help with wrenching and beer drinking if anyone needs help (particularly with the beer drinking))) If there are any parts or pieces I can bring for anyone, let me know. I may run up to see John Berget fri. or sat. to look at tires also. Let me know if there is anything I can help with. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire ________________________________ From: Tim Murphy To: 'Joe Alexander' ; jason at multivintage.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net; fpspitfire at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Sadly, I don't think Ryan and I will make the race. I'm still putting the engine back together after just getting the parts back from the machine shop. I'm thinking of coming down on Saturday with the TR5 to visit. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 4:00 PM To: jason at multivintage.com; jhhasty at gdhs.com Cc: spitfires at autox.team.net; fpspitfire at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] BLACK HAWK CLASSIC FOT ROLL CALL Who is going to be there? This is a worthy event. Jason says there are 45 cars in Group 2. That should be exciting on a 2 mile course. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Ostrowski To: John Hasty Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 9, 2012 3:55 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed No, this weekend I'll be at BHF (Blackhawk Farms) racing with VSCDA (Vintage Sports Car Driver's Assoiation) in my GT6 (Cute Little Yellow Car With Fearsom Horrifing Growl) wait thats...CLYCWFHG,...nevermind. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Jason....are you going to MO? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski > wrote: > > > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > > , > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson >wrote: > > > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part > with? > >> > >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! > >> > >> Aaron > >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 > >> 317-517-4587 > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tstrange at sbcglobal.net From riverside at southslope.net Mon Jun 11 08:20:42 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:20:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B2E384A60FF4A499CB6E32AE61A9586@rileyPC> That was MAR Mid America Raceway - currently in the process of being turned into a residential development. I took a last walk around and took a bunch of pics about 4 years ago. My best memories of racing my TR goddam 3 were at that track. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 3:55 PM To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: spitfires ; Aaron Johnson ; fot Subject: Re: [Fot] 3:27 diff needed Oh.....and by the way, my guess is Mid America Motorsport ......West of St. Louis. Raced my bike there in the 80's... Roughest bump filled track I ever ran Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Uh oH, here we go again... What's MAM! > , > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Aaron Johnson wrote: > >> Anyone have a 3:27 diff or two laying around they would like to part >> with? >> >> I destroyed mine last weekend at MAM! >> >> Aaron >> #87 HP spitfire 1500 >> 317-517-4587 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2433/5058 - Release Date: 06/09/12 From harmug at us.ibm.com Mon Jun 11 10:23:18 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:23:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Glove recomendation / reviews Message-ID: Looking for a , excuse me, "hands on", recommendation on new racing gloves. My 2 year old Bell gloves, model no longer in production, started to rapidly break down over the course of a weekend. They fit well and are comfortable but it looks like I can't replace them. With a two year lifespan, not sure if I want to anyway. I had a pair of G-Force for years and might go back to them but thought I'd ask around. Any recommendations? No speed shops around here any more, I can't do a test fitting. I was also considering at K1 and K1 pro gloves, anyone used them? thanks mike G. Michael Harmuth From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jun 11 10:39:38 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:39:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The BeachBoys References: <7637F4CFC03B4D20A39270E0C00C0A2A@Bucktailus><20120611054322.2A2BF2D0385@autox.team.net> <000801cd479e$fc92dae0$f5b890a0$@com> Message-ID: <6F08A5A8D13C467A9E0AD522996CDA61@Charly> Actually looks more like Beach Party Bingo or one of those Annette and Frankie films, but with a little Molly Hatchett throw in. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'FOT team'" Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 11:54 PM Subject: [Fot] The BeachBoys > America was us always ahead with having the BeachBoys. > It took 50+years to build our own BeachBoys group ;-) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltMGeUNA6lE > > Have phun! > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Jun 11 11:33:07 2012 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:33:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC: Anyone headed south from the Chicago area? Message-ID: <8A43E49B-1969-454A-9AF1-57D0209DB3BF@141.com> Hi gang! I won some dishes from a seller on eBay who said she would ship. Turns out she won't, but we really want the dishes, so I am trying to figure out getting them to central Kentucky. I tried several pack and ship places, but they are exorbitantly expensive. :( Anyone going through the Chicago area headed south, who would be willing to deal with two large, heavy boxes of dishes? I am happy to help with gas/whatever. Thank you! Keep Triumphing, Susan :) From horizonracing at msn.com Mon Jun 11 11:54:50 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:54:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Glove recomendation / reviews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use Stand 21. > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: harmug at us.ibm.com > Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:23:18 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] Glove recomendation / reviews > > Looking for a , excuse me, "hands on", recommendation on new racing gloves. > My 2 year old Bell gloves, model no longer in production, started to > rapidly break down over the course of a weekend. They fit well and are > comfortable but it looks like I can't replace them. With a two year > lifespan, not sure if I want to anyway. I had a pair of G-Force for years > and might go back to them but thought I'd ask around. Any recommendations? > No speed shops around here any more, I can't do a test fitting. I was also > considering at K1 and K1 pro gloves, anyone used them? > > thanks > mike > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jun 11 12:09:22 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:09:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC: Anyone headed south from the Chicago area? In-Reply-To: <8A43E49B-1969-454A-9AF1-57D0209DB3BF@141.com> References: <8A43E49B-1969-454A-9AF1-57D0209DB3BF@141.com> Message-ID: Susan: I own a Antiques and Vintage Toy Store in Brookfield Il (10 miles west of Chicago) I have stated before to FoT... I can serve a a drop point/shipping hub for anyone in need. No Charge. Figure out any easy plan to get them to my store, and I'll make sure they reach you safely. I'm out and about the Chicago land area daily most mornings before 11 am (then I'm in the store all day 11-7.) I could probably pick them up from the lady so long as its not a major drive or unrealistically complicated. I'm happy to help you out. (Free 'cause you drive the # 42) Just love being of help to my fellow Triumph buddy's... Its the Friendly Ghost way. I'm sure we can figure something easy out. Store # (708) 387-9417 Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > Hi gang! > > I won some dishes from a seller on eBay who said she would ship. Turns out > she > won't, but we really want the dishes, so I am trying to figure out getting > them to central Kentucky. I tried several pack and ship places, but they > are > exorbitantly expensive. :( > > Anyone going through the Chicago area headed south, who would be willing to > deal with two large, heavy boxes of dishes? I am happy to help with > gas/whatever. > > Thank you! > > Keep Triumphing, > > Susan :) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jun 11 12:12:02 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:12:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC: Anyone headed south from the Chicago area? In-Reply-To: References: <8A43E49B-1969-454A-9AF1-57D0209DB3BF@141.com> Message-ID: Whoops! Wrong number! My bad. Its 708-387-0890 Jason On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Susan: > I own a Antiques and Vintage Toy Store in Brookfield Il (10 miles west of > Chicago) > > I have stated before to FoT... I can serve a a drop point/shipping hub for > anyone in need. No Charge. > Figure out any easy plan to get them to my store, and I'll make sure they > reach you safely. > I'm out and about the Chicago land area daily most mornings before 11 am > (then I'm in the store all day 11-7.) > I could probably pick them up from the lady so long as its not a major > drive or unrealistically complicated. > > I'm happy to help you out. (Free 'cause you drive the # 42) > Just love being of help to my fellow Triumph buddy's... Its the Friendly > Ghost way. > I'm sure we can figure something easy out. > Store # (708) 387-9417 > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Susan Kahler wrote: > >> Hi gang! >> >> I won some dishes from a seller on eBay who said she would ship. Turns >> out she >> won't, but we really want the dishes, so I am trying to figure out getting >> them to central Kentucky. I tried several pack and ship places, but they >> are >> exorbitantly expensive. :( >> >> Anyone going through the Chicago area headed south, who would be willing >> to >> deal with two large, heavy boxes of dishes? I am happy to help with >> gas/whatever. >> >> Thank you! >> >> Keep Triumphing, >> >> Susan :) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Mon Jun 11 11:06:04 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 18:06:04 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Glove recomendation / reviews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66FE3565-D465-4B73-B9DC-DB7CFA821F42@virgin.net> Stand 21 makes the best - not sure if you can get them Over there ?? If not I can put you in touch Tony Sent from my iPhone On 11 Jun 2012, at 17:23, George Harmuth wrote: > Looking for a , excuse me, "hands on", recommendation on new racing gloves. > My 2 year old Bell gloves, model no longer in production, started to > rapidly break down over the course of a weekend. They fit well and are > comfortable but it looks like I can't replace them. With a two year > lifespan, not sure if I want to anyway. I had a pair of G-Force for years > and might go back to them but thought I'd ask around. Any recommendations? > No speed shops around here any more, I can't do a test fitting. I was also > considering at K1 and K1 pro gloves, anyone used them? > > thanks > mike > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 11 14:48:48 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:48:48 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Photos Eifelrace 2011 In-Reply-To: <6F08A5A8D13C467A9E0AD522996CDA61@Charly> References: <7637F4CFC03B4D20A39270E0C00C0A2A@Bucktailus><20120611054322.2A2BF2D0385@autox.team.net> <000801cd479e$fc92dae0$f5b890a0$@com> <6F08A5A8D13C467A9E0AD522996CDA61@Charly> Message-ID: <002201cd4813$9b535280$d1f9f780$@com> About 300 photos: http://www.tr4-racing.de/deu/gallery2011.html cheers Chris From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jun 11 19:05:51 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 21:05:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Glove recomendation / reviews References: Message-ID: Hi, I've been using Simpson Posi Grips, had the same pair for six years. They are two layer Nomex with gauntlets. SFI 3.3/5. They are comfortable and wear well. Around $100. I have large hands and the XL's fit well. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Harmuth" To: Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 12:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Glove recomendation / reviews > Looking for a , excuse me, "hands on", recommendation on new racing > gloves. > My 2 year old Bell gloves, model no longer in production, started to > rapidly break down over the course of a weekend. They fit well and are > comfortable but it looks like I can't replace them. With a two year > lifespan, not sure if I want to anyway. I had a pair of G-Force for years > and might go back to them but thought I'd ask around. Any recommendations? > No speed shops around here any more, I can't do a test fitting. I was also > considering at K1 and K1 pro gloves, anyone used them? > > thanks > mike > > G. Michael Harmuth > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jun 11 19:06:55 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 20:06:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The BeachBoys In-Reply-To: <6F08A5A8D13C467A9E0AD522996CDA61@Charly> References: <7637F4CFC03B4D20A39270E0C00C0A2A@Bucktailus> <20120611054322.2A2BF2D0385@autox.team.net> <000801cd479e$fc92dae0$f5b890a0$@com> <6F08A5A8D13C467A9E0AD522996CDA61@Charly> Message-ID: I love Rammstein! What a fun mix of heavy metal and bikinis! Tony At 11:39 AM 6/11/2012, Charly Mitchel wrote: >Actually looks more like Beach Party Bingo or one of those Annette >and Frankie films, but with a little Molly Hatchett throw in. > >Charly Mitchel >----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" >To: "'FOT team'" >Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 11:54 PM >Subject: [Fot] The BeachBoys > > >>America was us always ahead with having the BeachBoys. >>It took 50+years to build our own BeachBoys group ;-) >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltMGeUNA6lE >> >>Have phun! >> >>Chris >>_______________________________________________ >>fot at autox.team.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe: >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Tue Jun 12 02:04:03 2012 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (geoff byrne) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:04:03 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR Syncros Message-ID: <000001cd4871$ef48c380$cdda4a80$@optushome.com.au> Friends Does anyone have experience with the Moss premium syncros for the TR gearbox . Are they any good? Thanks Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down under From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Jun 12 07:57:21 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Tire / Wheel Query Message-ID: Hi, TR6, F Prepared Solo car. I was shopping for tires yesterday and my fallback plan (Goodyear G19's) fell through as the company has none in stock in the R250 compound and there's nothing on the production schedule in the coming month. No biggie, I'll just get a set of Hoosiers later when I actually need them. Turns out the set on the car now probably have a few events' life in them. But I then started thinking that a lot of the fast guys in Solo are now running 16x10 wheels and the various radial tires (which seem to be in supply) also seem to be available in soft (GY R250 compound). But the switch would mean going to 10 inch wide wheels. I'm pretty sure that fitment shouldn't be a huge deal other than the wallet hit, but I thought I might ping the list to see if anyone can offer any experience either with 16 x 10 wheels or running the straight sidewall radial (or bias, if they are available) race tires. And yes, I know it's not vintage. :-) On the same topic, I haven't looked at a GCR for 5 years or so, but is E Prod still limited to 15x7 wheels? rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue Jun 12 08:22:56 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:22:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR Syncros References: <000001cd4871$ef48c380$cdda4a80$@optushome.com.au> Message-ID: Not sure, but I know the synchros from BP NW are good. http://www.bpnorthwest.com/index.php/triumph/tr250-tr6/synchro-ring-tr3-to-tr6.html Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "geoff byrne" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 1:04 AM Subject: [Fot] TR Syncros > Friends > > Does anyone have experience with the Moss premium syncros for the TR > gearbox > . Are they any good? > > Thanks > > Geoff Byrne > > TR6 Racer Down under > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From rikrock at live.com Tue Jun 12 12:31:33 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 14:31:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Summit Point pics 1974 Message-ID: Www.summitpoint.taylortek.com From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Tue Jun 12 17:09:51 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <000001cd4871$ef48c380$cdda4a80$@optushome.com.au> References: <000001cd4871$ef48c380$cdda4a80$@optushome.com.au> Message-ID: <1339542591.58367.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In a TR6, I have a somewhat hotter cam (done by the PO so I don't know any particulars), triple 40 DCOE Webers, a Crane ignition system, and use the stock distributor (advance and retard unhooked) with Petronix Ignitor and Flame Thrower coil with resistor wire converted to non-resistor type. My question is ...would I benefit sufficiently powerwise by going to a non-stock distributor and if so, what is a good performance distributor for the TR6? Thanks for any input. Jim From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jun 12 17:33:45 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:33:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <1339542591.58367.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <000001cd4871$ef48c380$cdda4a80$@optushome.com.au> <1339542591.58367.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FD7D1D9.2030509@bradakis.com> Aftermarket units tend to not have the tach drive, you'll have to go electronic if you want one. Just a week or so back we had a customer who wanted a new distributor, but backed off due to the tach issue. mjb. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jun 12 18:01:24 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:01:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <1339542591.58367.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim, I use the 1-2-3 distributor made in the Netherlands in the tr4. You can pre-program the timing curve. Theyre a really nice piece of work but pricey. http://www.123ignition.nl/ Then there's the Mallory Unilite which is even more pricey and then there is the Pertronix under $ 200.00. http://www.racingshift.com/index.php?auto=triumph&end=133191 There is a big benefit in performance and reliability to going to one of the three. jim g -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sherry robyn Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 5:10 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In a TR6, I have a somewhat hotter cam (done by the PO so I don't know any particulars), triple 40 DCOE Webers, a Crane ignition system, and use the stock distributor (advance and retard unhooked) with Petronix Ignitor and Flame Thrower coil with resistor wire converted to non-resistor type. My question is ...would I benefit sufficiently powerwise by going to a non-stock distributor and if so, what is a good performance distributor for the TR6? Thanks for any input. Jim _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From triosan at gmail.com Tue Jun 12 18:34:47 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:34:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <1339542591.58367.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <000001cd4871$ef48c380$cdda4a80$@optushome.com.au> <1339542591.58367.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I use the Pertronix distributor with the flamethower II unit in the race car. Works great. Word of cuation, you can use a low impedance flamethower coil with the II, but be careful you will burn up the coils not made for it -- ask me how I $$$ know. On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 4:09 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > In a TR6, I have a somewhat hotter cam (done by the PO so I don't know any > particulars), triple 40 DCOE Webers, a Crane ignition system, and use the > stock > distributor (advance and retard unhooked) with Petronix Ignitor and > Flame > Thrower coil with resistor wire converted to non-resistor type. My > question is > ...would I benefit sufficiently powerwise by going to a non-stock > distributor > and if so, what is a good performance distributor for the TR6? > Thanks for any input. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Tue Jun 12 18:49:42 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 17:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <4FD7D1D9.2030509@bradakis.com> References: <000001cd4871$ef48c380$cdda4a80$@optushome.com.au> <1339542591.58367.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4FD7D1D9.2030509@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1339548582.58130.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thanks. I do understand that the after market distributors don't have the mechanical tach hook up. That is another of those costs that cause me to ask about the benefits. Jim ________________________________ From: Mark J Bradakis To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, June 12, 2012 4:33:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 distributor question Aftermarket units tend to not have the tach drive, you'll have to go electronic if you want one. Just a week or so back we had a customer who wanted a new distributor, but backed off due to the tach issue. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From rjohns at woh.rr.com Tue Jun 12 21:17:37 2012 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 23:17:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ramstein AFB, Germany Message-ID: <68F353A0FB0F42B385AA346EA41DD5CA@Bucktailus> The notation of Ramstein caught my attention in Tony's note about enjoying the German Beach boys. A bit of history involving Triumph occurred at a place called Ramstein AFB in Germany in 1956. The USAF in Europe decided to run some sports cars races on Armed Forces Day in 1956. They ran races for all classes at Ramstein and at a sister base, Landstul AFB. I won the 2 litre class at both of those base races in my TR2. Thus the name "Ramstein" caught my attention. Bob Johns From garygret at sbcglobal.net Tue Jun 12 22:32:14 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 21:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Tire / Wheel Query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1339561934.94273.YahooMailRC@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob, The 2012 GCR still has 15x7" for all TRs in EP. No experience with a 10-inch rim width, but the G19s on my EP TR4 were a similar 10.4" section width and needed about a 4-inch fender flare with huge wheel wells to allow steering range. Guess if you've been running G19s you must have that covered already. I tried an Autocross just once on R430s and it was embarrassing, like driving on ice :-) Regards, Gary Schneider ________________________________ From: Robert M. Lang To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, June 12, 2012 9:53:08 AM Subject: [Fot] Tire / Wheel Query Hi, TR6, F Prepared Solo car. I was shopping for tires yesterday and my fallback plan (Goodyear G19's) fell through as the company has none in stock in the R250 compound and there's nothing on the production schedule in the coming month. No biggie, I'll just get a set of Hoosiers later when I actually need them. Turns out the set on the car now probably have a few events' life in them. But I then started thinking that a lot of the fast guys in Solo are now running 16x10 wheels and the various radial tires (which seem to be in supply) also seem to be available in soft (GY R250 compound). But the switch would mean going to 10 inch wide wheels. I'm pretty sure that fitment shouldn't be a huge deal other than the wallet hit, but I thought I might ping the list to see if anyone can offer any experience either with 16 x 10 wheels or running the straight sidewall radial (or bias, if they are available) race tires. And yes, I know it's not vintage. :-) On the same topic, I haven't looked at a GCR for 5 years or so, but is E Prod still limited to 15x7 wheels? rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jun 13 11:27:49 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:27:49 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa next weekend In-Reply-To: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com> Just for your interest.....what is coming up.....okay, wrong marquee but nice views: http://youtu.be/uSReA34lDgA Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von tr4racing at googlemail.com Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Juni 2012 23:04 Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Spa next weekend Anybody going to Spa ;-) Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jun 13 13:15:55 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:15:55 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Ramstein AFB, Germany In-Reply-To: <68F353A0FB0F42B385AA346EA41DD5CA@Bucktailus> References: <68F353A0FB0F42B385AA346EA41DD5CA@Bucktailus> Message-ID: <002501cd4998$f61e4d10$e25ae730$@com> I live close to Ramstein. About 60 km far from me. The Band Rammstein took the name after the aircraft accident but did write the name fals. Cheers Chris Von: Robert Johns [mailto:rjohns at woh.rr.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Juni 2012 05:18 An: MadMarx; FOT team Betreff: Ramstein AFB, Germany The notation of Ramstein caught my attention in Tony's note about enjoying the German Beach boys. A bit of history involving Triumph occurred at a place called Ramstein AFB in Germany in 1956. The USAF in Europe decided to run some sports cars races on Armed Forces Day in 1956. They ran races for all classes at Ramstein and at a sister base, Landstul AFB. I won the 2 litre class at both of those base races in my TR2. Thus the name "Ramstein" caught my attention. Bob Johns From cartravel at pobox.com Wed Jun 13 14:14:46 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:14:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <20120613000741.204DD2D060A@autox.team.net> References: <20120613000741.204DD2D060A@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> That looks like a neat unit with both mechanical and vacuum advance. Getting back to the tach drive question. Does anyone offer an electric tach that would have the same appearance as an original? Larry On 6/12/2012 7:01 PM, Jim Gray wrote: > Jim, > I use the 1-2-3 distributor made in the Netherlands in the tr4. You can > pre-program the timing curve. Theyre a really nice piece of work but pricey. > > http://www.123ignition.nl/ > Then there's the Mallory Unilite which is even more pricey and then > there is the Pertronix under $ 200.00. > http://www.racingshift.com/index.php?auto=triumph&end=133191 > > There is a big benefit in performance and reliability to going to one of the > three. > > jim g > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of sherry robyn > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 5:10 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question > > In a TR6, I have a somewhat hotter cam (done by the PO so I don't know any > particulars), triple 40 DCOE Webers, a Crane ignition system, and use the > stock > distributor (advance and retard unhooked) with Petronix Ignitor and > Flame > Thrower coil with resistor wire converted to non-resistor type. My > question is > ...would I benefit sufficiently powerwise by going to a non-stock > distributor > and if so, what is a good performance distributor for the TR6? > Thanks for any input. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jun 13 14:46:27 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 20:46:27 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> References: <20120613000741.204DD2D060A@autox.team.net> <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> Message-ID: The 123 unit had very often a complete malfunction here in Europe in race cars. The unit doesn't stand heat for long. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:14:46 To: Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 distributor question That looks like a neat unit with both mechanical and vacuum advance. Getting back to the tach drive question. Does anyone offer an electric tach that would have the same appearance as an original? Larry On 6/12/2012 7:01 PM, Jim Gray wrote: > Jim, > I use the 1-2-3 distributor made in the Netherlands in the tr4. You can > pre-program the timing curve. Theyre a really nice piece of work but pricey. > > http://www.123ignition.nl/ > Then there's the Mallory Unilite which is even more pricey and then > there is the Pertronix under $ 200.00. > http://www.racingshift.com/index.php?auto=triumph&end=133191 > > There is a big benefit in performance and reliability to going to one of the > three. > > jim g > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of sherry robyn > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 5:10 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question > > In a TR6, I have a somewhat hotter cam (done by the PO so I don't know any > particulars), triple 40 DCOE Webers, a Crane ignition system, and use the > stock > distributor (advance and retard unhooked) with Petronix Ignitor and > Flame > Thrower coil with resistor wire converted to non-resistor type. My > question is > ...would I benefit sufficiently powerwise by going to a non-stock > distributor > and if so, what is a good performance distributor for the TR6? > Thanks for any input. > > Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From invite+AZm90QGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0 at facebookmail.com Tue Jun 12 05:59:31 2012 From: invite+AZm90QGF1dG94LnRlYW0ubmV0 at facebookmail.com (Ken Gano) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 04:59:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Check out my photos on Facebook Message-ID: <332e8e455f8064c79f01bac0594c5c36@async.facebook.com> Hi Ken, I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. 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Attention: Department 415 P.O Box 10005 Palo Alto CA 94303 From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jun 13 15:36:12 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:36:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Check out my photos on Facebook In-Reply-To: <332e8e455f8064c79f01bac0594c5c36@async.facebook.com> References: <332e8e455f8064c79f01bac0594c5c36@async.facebook.com> Message-ID: <000601cd49ac$8e39fd20$aaadf760$@rr.com> > I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and > events Not to discourage anyone from sharing, but I suggest you read the Facebook terms of service VERY carefully. I believe they basically say that Mark Zuckerberg and his partner (who renounced US citizenship) own whatever you post, including photos, personal information, family relationships etc. And they make their money by selling that information in various ways. Call me paranoid if you like; but I will not be joining you there, and if I could find out how to delete my Facebook account, I would. TANSTAAFL "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch" -- Randall From rjl6n at cstone.net Wed Jun 13 16:18:16 2012 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (Water Rescue Chief) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:18:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> References: <20120613000741.204DD2D060A@autox.team.net> <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> Message-ID: <9dedd4b773dde4f98891476e154ff8e9.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Places like Nissonger, etc can put an electric tach mechanism in your housing so that it looks the same, but is electronic. I had that done to my TR-3 tach when I added the fuel injection. John On Wed, June 13, 2012 4:14 pm, Larry Young wrote: > That looks like a neat unit with both mechanical and vacuum advance. > Getting back to the tach drive question. Does anyone offer an electric > tach that would have the same appearance as an original? > Larry > > On 6/12/2012 7:01 PM, Jim Gray wrote: >> Jim, >> I use the 1-2-3 distributor made in the Netherlands in the tr4. You can >> pre-program the timing curve. Theyre a really nice piece of work but >> pricey. >> >> http://www.123ignition.nl/ >> Then there's the Mallory Unilite which is even more pricey and then >> there is the Pertronix under $ 200.00. >> http://www.racingshift.com/index.php?auto=triumph&end=133191 >> >> There is a big benefit in performance and reliability to going to one of >> the >> three. >> >> jim g >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of sherry robyn >> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 5:10 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question >> >> In a TR6, I have a somewhat hotter cam (done by the PO so I don't know >> any >> particulars), triple 40 DCOE Webers, a Crane ignition system, and use >> the >> stock >> distributor (advance and retard unhooked) with Petronix Ignitor and >> Flame >> Thrower coil with resistor wire converted to non-resistor type. My >> question is >> ...would I benefit sufficiently powerwise by going to a non-stock >> distributor >> and if so, what is a good performance distributor for the TR6? >> Thanks for any input. >> >> Jim >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Jun 14 07:39:19 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> References: <20120613000741.204DD2D060A@autox.team.net> <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Larry Young wrote: > That looks like a neat unit with both mechanical and vacuum advance. Getting > back to the tach drive question. Does anyone offer an electric tach that > would have the same appearance as an original? www.gaugeguys.com aka apt intruments international they can switch the guts on a mechanical tach with real smiths eletric tachs. they look like a stock gauge and work well. I had my street car converted a while back. It worked great 'till I accidentally zapped it, but that was my fault, not APT Intruments. If you want to do it yourself, you may be able to swap the guts from a Spitfire electric tach, but I have no idea hoe to calibrate it for 6 swilinders. > Larry regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From walt at hot-tr6.com Thu Jun 14 09:11:49 2012 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:11:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 distributor question In-Reply-To: References: <20120613000741.204DD2D060A@autox.team.net> <4FD8F4B6.5010802@pobox.com> Message-ID: <000001cd4a40$0b9a0ce0$22ce26a0$@hot-tr6.com> There is a speedometer repair shop in Albuquerque, NM called MoMa, that will take your mechanical drive tachometer and convert it to electrical input. You just need to tell them if it is for a 4,6 or 8 cylinder car. Gauge looks perfectly stock but will take the impulse from the negative lead of the coil. Works perfectly on my vintage TR6 racecar that has a Mallory dual point mechanical advance distributor. Cost to clean and convert the gauge is about $250.00 Walt Hollowell Abq., NM -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:39 AM To: Larry Young Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 distributor question On Wed, 13 Jun 2012, Larry Young wrote: > That looks like a neat unit with both mechanical and vacuum advance. > Getting back to the tach drive question. Does anyone offer an > electric tach that would have the same appearance as an original? www.gaugeguys.com aka apt intruments international they can switch the guts on a mechanical tach with real smiths eletric tachs. they look like a stock gauge and work well. I had my street car converted a while back. It worked great 'till I accidentally zapped it, but that was my fault, not APT Intruments. If you want to do it yourself, you may be able to swap the guts from a Spitfire electric tach, but I have no idea hoe to calibrate it for 6 swilinders. > Larry regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Jun 15 10:46:45 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:46:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 brake bias lever Message-ID: <1311982816.965670.1339778805259.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> FoT I'm adding a brake bias lever to the car which is mounted to the right side of the drivers seat. I will tap into the rear circuit at the rear line splitter. I've heard the term " Girling style bubble flair " before, I know my flaring tool does the SAE double flair. Can someone enlighten me on English style bubble flairs please. Thanks as always, Jim g From rjl6n at cstone.net Fri Jun 15 10:51:28 2012 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (Me) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 12:51:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 brake bias lever In-Reply-To: <1311982816.965670.1339778805259.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1311982816.965670.1339778805259.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3acaeb80c8f3eeafd6449b2e598d4357.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> here's a good write up that Chris Kantarjiev did a few years ago: http://www.dimebank.com/BrakePlumbing.html John On Fri, June 15, 2012 12:46 pm, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > FoT > > I'm adding a brake bias lever to the car which is mounted to the right > side of the drivers seat. > > I will tap into the rear circuit at the rear line splitter. > > I've heard the term " Girling style bubble flair " before, I know my > flaring tool does the SAE double flair. > > Can someone enlighten me on English style bubble flairs please. > > Thanks as always, > > Jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri Jun 15 12:43:40 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:43:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 brake bias lever References: <1311982816.965670.1339778805259.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Check out fedhillusa.com to get a primer on brake fittings and lines. They have a good website and lots of info. Very helpful tech line. I've gone to copper-nickle alloy brake lines; easy to flare and form, and don't rust. A little more $ but worth it. NFI. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "fot" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 12:46 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 brake bias lever > FoT > > I'm adding a brake bias lever to the car which is mounted to the right > side of the drivers seat. > > I will tap into the rear circuit at the rear line splitter. > > I've heard the term " Girling style bubble flair " before, I know my > flaring tool does the SAE double flair. > > Can someone enlighten me on English style bubble flairs please. > > Thanks as always, > > Jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Jun 15 12:58:28 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 brake bias lever In-Reply-To: <3acaeb80c8f3eeafd6449b2e598d4357.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Message-ID: <298976371.971325.1339786708275.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> John, That was a real helpfull article. Long story short, if you have a tool that will do a double flair it will do a Girling bubble flair. A double flair is a two step process, to get a bubble flair you just do the first step of the double flair and there you go, bubble flair. Thanks, jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Me" To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: "fot" Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 10:51:28 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 brake bias lever here's a good write up that Chris Kantarjiev did a few years ago: http://www.dimebank.com/BrakePlumbing.html John On Fri, June 15, 2012 12:46 pm, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > FoT > > I'm adding a brake bias lever to the car which is mounted to the right > side of the drivers seat. > > I will tap into the rear circuit at the rear line splitter. > > I've heard the term " Girling style bubble flair " before, I know my > flaring tool does the SAE double flair. > > Can someone enlighten me on English style bubble flairs please. > > Thanks as always, > > Jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sun Jun 17 09:10:15 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:10:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Dual Valve Springs Message-ID: I had a miss at high rpms. My distributor had a lot of wobble at the top of the shaft so replaced it. Although it ran stronger at low speeds, the miss at high rpms was still there. I pulled the valve cover and found the number 4 inner valve spring was broken. Thanks to Jim Gray (again) for suggesting I check this. I am wondering what may have caused this. I am also wondering if I should pull the head to see if it caused any damage but since it ran very smooth at low rpms, I am thinking I was just getting some valve float at high rpms. I am going to replace all the springs at this point to make sure. I think I can raise the piston to TDC for each cylinder, and use the valve spring compressor for on head removal. Have others done spring replacements this way or should I just pull the head? Finally, what springs do folks use? In searching the web, it seems rare to see a valve spring break, but I have not heard what experiences other FOT users have had. I have a Paeco 6600 rpm cam, titanium retainers, and chrome moly push rods as well as a rebuilt rocker assembly, but those roller rockers sure do look nice! Thanks in advance for your helpful advice and Happy Fathers Day to all the dads out there. Ty Sent from my iPad From walt at hot-tr6.com Sun Jun 17 09:32:21 2012 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (walt at hot-tr6.com) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:32:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dual Valve Springs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120617103221.13872rrovs13trph@webmail.electronicmoneycompany.com> I have replaced broken springs on my TR6 racecar without removing the cylinder head. First do a compression check to confirm that there is no internal damage to the combustion area. Run the piston to the top of the cylinder you are working on. Then do as you stated to replace springs, retainers, keepers. I also found that a bent slender screwdriver works inserted through the spark plus hole to keep the valve you are working on from slipping down. Roller rockers are nice. I use a double roller rocker setup and i like it. Walt Hollowell of Albuquerque, New Mexico responding from Nevis Island in the Carribean. Quoting "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" : > I had a miss at high rpms. My distributor had a lot of wobble at the top of > the shaft so replaced it. Although it ran stronger at low speeds, the miss at > high rpms was still there. I pulled the valve cover and found the number 4 > inner valve spring was broken. Thanks to Jim Gray (again) for suggesting I > check this. > > I am wondering what may have caused this. I am also wondering if I should > pull the head to see if it caused any damage but since it ran very smooth at > low rpms, I am thinking I was just getting some valve float at high rpms. > > I am going to replace all the springs at this point to make sure. I think I > can raise the piston to TDC for each cylinder, and use the valve spring > compressor for on head removal. Have others done spring > replacements this way > or should I just pull the head? > > Finally, what springs do folks use? In searching the web, it seems rare to > see a valve spring break, but I have not heard what experiences other FOT > users have had. I have a Paeco 6600 rpm cam, titanium retainers, and chrome > moly push rods as well as a rebuilt rocker assembly, but those roller rockers > sure do look nice! > > Thanks in advance for your helpful advice and Happy Fathers Day to all the > dads out there. > > Ty > > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sun Jun 17 10:15:19 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 11:15:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dual Valve Springs In-Reply-To: <20120617103221.13872rrovs13trph@webmail.electronicmoneycompany.com> References: <20120617103221.13872rrovs13trph@webmail.electronicmoneycompany.com> Message-ID: <8B8F9811-BF98-4064-951B-2BC8C4FBB491@gmail.com> Some people have used compressed air (thru spark plug hole) to hold the valves closed while undoing the collets and springs, but I prefer the method of pushing some cotton cord down through the spark plug hole and then using the piston to keep the valves pushed upward. Duncan (Texas) On Jun 17, 2012, at 10:32 AM, walt at hot-tr6.com wrote: > I have replaced broken springs on my TR6 racecar without removing the cylinder head. First do a compression check to confirm that there is no internal damage to the combustion area. Run the piston to the top of the cylinder you are working on. Then do as you stated to replace springs, retainers, keepers. I also found that a bent slender screwdriver works inserted through the spark plus hole to keep the valve you are working on from slipping down. Roller rockers are nice. I use a double roller rocker setup and i like it. > Walt Hollowell of Albuquerque, New Mexico responding from Nevis Island in the Carribean. > > Quoting "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" : > >> I had a miss at high rpms. My distributor had a lot of wobble at the top of >> the shaft so replaced it. Although it ran stronger at low speeds, the miss at >> high rpms was still there. I pulled the valve cover and found the number 4 >> inner valve spring was broken. Thanks to Jim Gray (again) for suggesting I >> check this. >> >> I am wondering what may have caused this. I am also wondering if I should >> pull the head to see if it caused any damage but since it ran very smooth at >> low rpms, I am thinking I was just getting some valve float at high rpms. >> >> I am going to replace all the springs at this point to make sure. I think I >> can raise the piston to TDC for each cylinder, and use the valve spring >> compressor for on head removal. Have others done spring replacements this way >> or should I just pull the head? >> >> Finally, what springs do folks use? In searching the web, it seems rare to >> see a valve spring break, but I have not heard what experiences other FOT >> users have had. I have a Paeco 6600 rpm cam, titanium retainers, and chrome >> moly push rods as well as a rebuilt rocker assembly, but those roller rockers >> sure do look nice! >> >> Thanks in advance for your helpful advice and Happy Fathers Day to all the >> dads out there. >> >> Ty >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Jun 17 16:13:28 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 17:13:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Dual Valve Springs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FDE5688.1010409@pobox.com> You should check that you don't have coil bind. I'd think that would be a likely cause. On 6/17/2012 10:10 AM, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote: > I had a miss at high rpms. My distributor had a lot of wobble at the top of > the shaft so replaced it. Although it ran stronger at low speeds, the miss at > high rpms was still there. I pulled the valve cover and found the number 4 > inner valve spring was broken. Thanks to Jim Gray (again) for suggesting I > check this. > > I am wondering what may have caused this. I am also wondering if I should > pull the head to see if it caused any damage but since it ran very smooth at > low rpms, I am thinking I was just getting some valve float at high rpms. > > I am going to replace all the springs at this point to make sure. I think I > can raise the piston to TDC for each cylinder, and use the valve spring > compressor for on head removal. Have others done spring replacements this way > or should I just pull the head? > > Finally, what springs do folks use? In searching the web, it seems rare to > see a valve spring break, but I have not heard what experiences other FOT > users have had. I have a Paeco 6600 rpm cam, titanium retainers, and chrome > moly push rods as well as a rebuilt rocker assembly, but those roller rockers > sure do look nice! > > Thanks in advance for your helpful advice and Happy Fathers Day to all the > dads out there. > > Ty > > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 18 02:29:58 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:29:58 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa last weekend In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com> Message-ID: <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com> Have a look.: http://youtu.be/oryDJVKBM8s Cheers Chris From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Jun 18 07:44:05 2012 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT Mike Moore Message-ID: <7b4.7196c970.3d108aa5@cs.com> Gary Horstkorta and I are 'sponsoring' Mike Moore into the FOT. He just bought Gary's nicely prepared TR4 and will be on his way to California to bring it back to the Western, PA area. Please greet Mike . He has done so work at Mid-Ohio with schools and track days and is now prepared to join us in vintage racing. Mark Bradakis, please add Mike to this FOT list. mmoore at wave1.net Thanks, Joe From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Jun 18 07:57:54 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 08:57:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spa last weekend In-Reply-To: <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com> <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com> Message-ID: Chris -- a few questions -- Do you take out a bit of steering lock when the O/D engages when you're turning slightly and driving in the rain? I thought I saw you do that but couldn't tell whether it was pre-emptive or was done to correct a small side-step from the rear of the car. Was there a dry line visible anywhere? Any significant damage to your car or the Elan? Duncan (Texas) On Jun 18, 2012, at 3:29 AM, MadMarx wrote: > Have a look.: > > > > http://youtu.be/oryDJVKBM8s > > > > Cheers > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jun 18 08:01:55 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:01:55 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa last weekend In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com> <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com> Message-ID: <002701cd4d5a$ed6cfa70$c846ef50$@com> Yes I do as the rear wheels do spin a little on OD engagement. It was raining all the time, no dry spot. I had to adjust the steering and the registration plate is bend. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com] Gesendet: Montag, 18. Juni 2012 15:58 An: MadMarx Cc: 'FOT team' Betreff: Re: [Fot] Spa last weekend Chris -- a few questions -- Do you take out a bit of steering lock when the O/D engages when you're turning slightly and driving in the rain? I thought I saw you do that but couldn't tell whether it was pre-emptive or was done to correct a small side-step from the rear of the car. Was there a dry line visible anywhere? Any significant damage to your car or the Elan? Duncan (Texas) On Jun 18, 2012, at 3:29 AM, MadMarx wrote: > Have a look.: > > > > http://youtu.be/oryDJVKBM8s > > > > Cheers > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Jun 18 08:56:23 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 07:56:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics Message-ID: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> For the past several months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph racing for the local Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. Among other things for this month's column, I want to include a preview of the Portland Historic Races. If you are planning on racing in this event, please let me know. I'd also like to include the model, year, and car number of the car you will be racing. Thanks in advance. From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jun 18 09:21:12 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:21:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Mike Moore References: <7b4.7196c970.3d108aa5@cs.com> Message-ID: <41EAE6F8FD0B464584D3478A52A9A7EB@owner8914bbf7f> Another Triumph racer, great. Mike's a member of the local British car group, the SOB's. Not as bad as it sounds, Sons Of Britian, or Scions of Britian, is the club. No dues, no officers, just owners of anything British. They meet for dinner on the 3rd Thursday of the month, do some tours, and generally have fun. And have a car show in September in Waterford PA. The SOB's are having a summer party at my farm July 29. Anyone and everyone is welcome. Bring that old Brirish car and come on down. Welcome Mike, glad you bought the TR. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 9:44 AM Subject: [Fot] FOT Mike Moore > Gary Horstkorta and I are 'sponsoring' Mike Moore into the FOT. > > He just bought Gary's nicely prepared TR4 and will be on his way to > California to bring it back to the Western, PA area. > > Please greet Mike . He has done so work at Mid-Ohio with schools and track > days and is now prepared to join us in vintage racing. > > Mark Bradakis, please add Mike to this FOT list. mmoore at wave1.net > > Thanks, > > Joe > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Mon Jun 18 10:07:07 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics In-Reply-To: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1340035627.31427.YahooMailRC@web180611.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> What are the dates for the Portland Historic Races? ________________________________ From: Jim Norlin To: FOT Sent: Mon, June 18, 2012 7:56:59 AM Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics For the past several months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph racing for the local Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. Among other things for this month's column, I want to include a preview of the Portland Historic Races. If you are planning on racing in this event, please let me know. I'd also like to include the model, year, and car number of the car you will be racing. Thanks in advance. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jun 18 10:36:48 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:36:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: http://www.portlandhistorics.com/spectators/about.html Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Norlin" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:56 AM Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics > For the past several months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph > racing for the local Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. > Among other things for this month's column, I want to include a preview of > the Portland Historic Races. If you are planning on racing in this event, > please let me know. I'd also like to include the model, year, and car > number of the car you will be racing. Thanks in advance. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jun 18 10:39:20 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:39:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <974149E0C18E4860A7EB65BDEDEDD852@Charly> I'm planning on being there with my 1969 TR6 #44. Charly Mitchel .----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Norlin" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 7:56 AM Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics > For the past several months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph > racing for the local Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. > Among other things for this month's column, I want to include a preview of > the Portland Historic Races. If you are planning on racing in this event, > please let me know. I'd also like to include the model, year, and car > number of the car you will be racing. Thanks in advance. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From triosan at gmail.com Mon Jun 18 11:00:59 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 10:00:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics In-Reply-To: <1340035627.31427.YahooMailRC@web180611.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> <1340035627.31427.YahooMailRC@web180611.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: September 1 through 3. See SOVREN.org/events On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 9:07 AM, sherry robyn wrote: > What are the dates for the Portland Historic Races? > ________________________________ > From: Jim Norlin > > To: FOT > Sent: Mon, June > 18, 2012 7:56:59 AM > Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics > > For the past several > months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph > racing for the local > Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. Among > other things for this > month's column, I want to include a preview of the > Portland Historic Races. > If you are planning on racing in this event, please > let me know. I'd also > like to include the model, year, and car number of the > car you will be > racing. Thanks in advance. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: > http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 18 15:30:31 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 17:30:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Waterford Hills Vintage Message-ID: FoTers, Are any of you planning on attending the vintage races at Waterford Hills at the end of July? The link is here: http://www.waterfordhills.com/?t=vintage Regards, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Jun 19 08:11:47 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:11:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Farms in-car video Message-ID: I posted a couple of videos in 1080p - my new GoPro works impressively well. Feature race: http://youtu.be/cB3vGdcbl2g There's a spin in front of me on the 2nd lap and later I get run off the road while lapping a car - those are the most notable incidents, but it was a decent, pretty action packed race. We had 40ish cars on the 2 mile course so there's a bunch of cars. I started 7th and finished 5th or 6th. Handicap race: http://youtu.be/TF7lBp9FCHs Less action in this one. On the last lap a bugeye loses a front wheel in front of me in the carousel corner. This is a race where they let you out one at a time, slowest cars first. Neat format. This one's still in post-processing on you tube so may not be available for a few hours. Cheers, Tony Drews From mmoore at wave1.net Tue Jun 19 13:27:02 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:27:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit Message-ID: <006601cd4e51$810ca720$8325f560$@net> Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What to look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days to learn the car. Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a lot to learn!! Thanks Mike 62 TR4 Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Jun 19 14:28:30 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:28:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit References: <006601cd4e51$810ca720$8325f560$@net> Message-ID: <30E9B3C7835E49CEA484CC3CC8ADF7E0@owner8914bbf7f> Hi Mike, welcome to the club. Lots of good suits out there. Get one that's SFI certified, 3-2A/5, or whatever the current standard is. Most vintage organizations want 3 laters of Nomex; 2 layer suit and underwear, or 3 layer suit. I was always told that if you're smart, you'll wear a 3 layer suit with underwear; the extra layer will give you 15-20 seconds more in a fire. If you have facial hair, a balaclave is required. (I'd wear one even if I didn't have facial hair). Simpson High top shoes are good, a little more support for ankles. Simpson Posi Grip gloves wear well. A good helmet and a HANS are a good idea. Remember the old Bell ads from the '60's: If you got a $10 dollar head, wear a $10 helmet. Good luck. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:27 PM Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit > Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What to > look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. > > > > Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. > > > > Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days to > learn the car. > > > > Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a lot > to > learn!! > > > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > 62 TR4 > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From bownes at seiri.com Tue Jun 19 14:35:33 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:35:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit In-Reply-To: <30E9B3C7835E49CEA484CC3CC8ADF7E0@owner8914bbf7f> References: <006601cd4e51$810ca720$8325f560$@net> <30E9B3C7835E49CEA484CC3CC8ADF7E0@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: The most important thing is to get one that is big enough and won't shrink over the winter. ;) On Jun 19, 2012, at 16:28, "william r tobin" wrote: > Hi Mike, welcome to the club. > Lots of good suits out there. Get one that's SFI certified, 3-2A/5, or whatever the current standard is. > Most vintage organizations want 3 laters of Nomex; 2 layer suit and underwear, or 3 layer suit. > I was always told that if you're smart, you'll wear a 3 layer suit with underwear; the extra layer will give you 15-20 seconds more in a fire. > If you have facial hair, a balaclave is required. (I'd wear one even if I didn't have facial hair). > Simpson High top shoes are good, a little more support for ankles. > Simpson Posi Grip gloves wear well. > A good helmet and a HANS are a good idea. Remember the old Bell ads from the '60's: If you got a $10 dollar head, wear a $10 helmet. > Good luck. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:27 PM > Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit > > >> Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What to >> look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. >> >> >> >> Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. >> >> >> >> Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days to >> learn the car. >> >> >> >> Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a lot to >> learn!! >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Mike >> >> 62 TR4 >> >> >> >> Michael T. Moore, CPA >> >> 2007 West 32nd Street >> >> Erie, PA 16508 >> >> >> >> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >> >> Fax: 814-864-7383 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Jun 19 15:03:09 2012 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics Message-ID: <1340139789.68947.YahooMailRC@web180711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I also plan on being at the Portland Historics with my 66 TR-4A. Dark Blue with number 484. The current engine is pretty much stock (a new one is being built to replace one that blew) so I won't be competitive but Portland is fun. Look forward to seeing Jim and Charly and any other TRs there. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing From SpiwakD at aol.com Tue Jun 19 15:15:55 2012 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit Message-ID: I hear that a Nomex thong is popular with California drivers In a message dated 6/19/2012 4:37:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bownes at seiri.com writes: The most important thing is to get one that is big enough and won't shrink over the winter. ;) On Jun 19, 2012, at 16:28, "william r tobin" wrote: > Hi Mike, welcome to the club. > Lots of good suits out there. Get one that's SFI certified, 3-2A/5, or whatever the current standard is. > Most vintage organizations want 3 laters of Nomex; 2 layer suit and underwear, or 3 layer suit. > I was always told that if you're smart, you'll wear a 3 layer suit with underwear; the extra layer will give you 15-20 seconds more in a fire. > If you have facial hair, a balaclave is required. (I'd wear one even if I didn't have facial hair). > Simpson High top shoes are good, a little more support for ankles. > Simpson Posi Grip gloves wear well. > A good helmet and a HANS are a good idea. Remember the old Bell ads from the '60's: If you got a $10 dollar head, wear a $10 helmet. > Good luck. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:27 PM > Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit > > >> Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What to >> look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. >> >> >> >> Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. >> >> >> >> Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days to >> learn the car. >> >> >> >> Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a lot to >> learn!! >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Mike >> >> 62 TR4 >> >> >> >> Michael T. Moore, CPA >> >> 2007 West 32nd Street >> >> Erie, PA 16508 >> >> >> >> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >> >> Fax: 814-864-7383 >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spiwakd at aol.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Jun 19 16:14:31 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:14:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit References: Message-ID: THAT'S disgusting!!! I agree about the size thing though. My suit shrunk last winter too. Got a really nice Sparco Top 5 on e-bay for a reasonable price. Same thing happened a few years ago with a nice Quintana Roo triathlon wetsuit; blasted thing shrunk over the winter. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Drivers suit >I hear that a Nomex thong is popular with California drivers > > > In a message dated 6/19/2012 4:37:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > bownes at seiri.com writes: > > The most important thing is to get one that is big enough and won't > shrink > over the winter. ;) > > > > On Jun 19, 2012, at 16:28, "william r tobin" > > wrote: > >> Hi Mike, welcome to the club. >> Lots of good suits out there. Get one that's SFI certified, 3-2A/5, or > whatever the current standard is. >> Most vintage organizations want 3 laters of Nomex; 2 layer suit and > underwear, or 3 layer suit. >> I was always told that if you're smart, you'll wear a 3 layer suit with > underwear; the extra layer will give you 15-20 seconds more in a fire. >> If you have facial hair, a balaclave is required. (I'd wear one even if >> I > didn't have facial hair). >> Simpson High top shoes are good, a little more support for ankles. >> Simpson Posi Grip gloves wear well. >> A good helmet and a HANS are a good idea. Remember the old Bell ads from > the > '60's: If you got a $10 dollar head, wear a $10 helmet. >> Good luck. >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:27 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit >> >> >>> Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What > to >>> look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. >>> >>> >>> >>> Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days >>> to >>> learn the car. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a > lot > to >>> learn!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> 62 TR4 >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>> >>> 2007 West 32nd Street >>> >>> Erie, PA 16508 >>> >>> >>> >>> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >>> >>> Fax: 814-864-7383 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spiwakd at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jun 19 16:18:15 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:18:15 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: But it is okay with physics law that things shrink from winters cold. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: "william r tobin" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:14:31 To: ; Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] Drivers suit THAT'S disgusting!!! I agree about the size thing though. My suit shrunk last winter too. Got a really nice Sparco Top 5 on e-bay for a reasonable price. Same thing happened a few years ago with a nice Quintana Roo triathlon wetsuit; blasted thing shrunk over the winter. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Drivers suit >I hear that a Nomex thong is popular with California drivers > > > In a message dated 6/19/2012 4:37:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > bownes at seiri.com writes: > > The most important thing is to get one that is big enough and won't > shrink > over the winter. ;) > > > > On Jun 19, 2012, at 16:28, "william r tobin" > > wrote: > >> Hi Mike, welcome to the club. >> Lots of good suits out there. Get one that's SFI certified, 3-2A/5, or > whatever the current standard is. >> Most vintage organizations want 3 laters of Nomex; 2 layer suit and > underwear, or 3 layer suit. >> I was always told that if you're smart, you'll wear a 3 layer suit with > underwear; the extra layer will give you 15-20 seconds more in a fire. >> If you have facial hair, a balaclave is required. (I'd wear one even if >> I > didn't have facial hair). >> Simpson High top shoes are good, a little more support for ankles. >> Simpson Posi Grip gloves wear well. >> A good helmet and a HANS are a good idea. Remember the old Bell ads from > the > '60's: If you got a $10 dollar head, wear a $10 helmet. >> Good luck. >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:27 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit >> >> >>> Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What > to >>> look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. >>> >>> >>> >>> Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days >>> to >>> learn the car. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a > lot > to >>> learn!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> 62 TR4 >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>> >>> 2007 West 32nd Street >>> >>> Erie, PA 16508 >>> >>> >>> >>> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >>> >>> Fax: 814-864-7383 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spiwakd at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From kkjjk at aol.com Tue Jun 19 16:39:09 2012 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF1C8379BBE5D0-1340-1C345@webmail-d165.sysops.aol.com> Shrinkage in a thing is embarrassing... -----Original Message----- From: william r tobin To: SpiwakD ; bownes Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Jun 19, 2012 6:14 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Drivers suit THAT'S disgusting!!! I agree about the size thing though. My suit shrunk last winter too. Got a really nice Sparco Top 5 on e-bay for a reasonable price. Same thing happened a few years ago with a nice Quintana Roo triathlon wetsuit; blasted thing shrunk over the winter. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Drivers suit >I hear that a Nomex thong is popular with California drivers > > > In a message dated 6/19/2012 4:37:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > bownes at seiri.com writes: > > The most important thing is to get one that is big enough and won't > shrink > over the winter. ;) > > > > On Jun 19, 2012, at 16:28, "william r tobin" > > wrote: > >> Hi Mike, welcome to the club. >> Lots of good suits out there. Get one that's SFI certified, 3-2A/5, or > whatever the current standard is. >> Most vintage organizations want 3 laters of Nomex; 2 layer suit and > underwear, or 3 layer suit. >> I was always told that if you're smart, you'll wear a 3 layer suit with > underwear; the extra layer will give you 15-20 seconds more in a fire. >> If you have facial hair, a balaclave is required. (I'd wear one even if >> I > didn't have facial hair). >> Simpson High top shoes are good, a little more support for ankles. >> Simpson Posi Grip gloves wear well. >> A good helmet and a HANS are a good idea. Remember the old Bell ads from > the > '60's: If you got a $10 dollar head, wear a $10 helmet. >> Good luck. >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:27 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit >> >> >>> Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What > to >>> look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. >>> >>> >>> >>> Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days >>> to >>> learn the car. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a > lot > to >>> learn!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> 62 TR4 >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>> >>> 2007 West 32nd Street >>> >>> Erie, PA 16508 >>> >>> >>> >>> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >>> >>> Fax: 814-864-7383 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spiwakd at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Jun 19 16:42:58 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:42:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wiseco soft nylon hone brush Message-ID: <000001cd4e6c$e1007330$a3015990$@com> In our TR4 engine we have Wiseco forged pistons. I saw on their web site that they had a soft nylon hone brush available and as I needed a hone, I purchased one of their hone brushes to break the glaze on the sleeves prior to installing new rings. You can take a look at the brush at www.wiseco.com by clicking on "accessories" in the "automotive" section on the left hand side of the home page. I wanted something "safe" so as not to remove any metal from the sleeves and make them tapered or oblong or both. Has anyone used one of these hone brushes? I'm having a hard time "breaking the glaze" with it. I've called Wiseco a couple of times regarding lubricant/cutting fluid and speed to run it at and have followed their instructions. So far I've tried straight mineral spirits (the Wiseco recommendation), a 50/50 mix of mineral spirits and ATF and carb cleaner that an engine builder in town recommended. I'm making progress but it would seem that this shouldn't be a career!! So, if anybody has some experience with these hone brushes I'd appreciate any suggestions. We do seem to have quite a bit of hard black glaze on the sleeves. I'm beginning to think that maybe the brush should be run dry, no lubricant. Thanks for any suggestions, Tim Murphy From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jun 19 16:46:16 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:46:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wiseco soft nylon hone brush In-Reply-To: <000001cd4e6c$e1007330$a3015990$@com> Message-ID: Try Comet powdered cleanser with water. Jim g. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 4:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Wiseco soft nylon hone brush In our TR4 engine we have Wiseco forged pistons. I saw on their web site that they had a soft nylon hone brush available and as I needed a hone, I purchased one of their hone brushes to break the glaze on the sleeves prior to installing new rings. You can take a look at the brush at www.wiseco.com by clicking on "accessories" in the "automotive" section on the left hand side of the home page. I wanted something "safe" so as not to remove any metal from the sleeves and make them tapered or oblong or both. Has anyone used one of these hone brushes? I'm having a hard time "breaking the glaze" with it. I've called Wiseco a couple of times regarding lubricant/cutting fluid and speed to run it at and have followed their instructions. So far I've tried straight mineral spirits (the Wiseco recommendation), a 50/50 mix of mineral spirits and ATF and carb cleaner that an engine builder in town recommended. I'm making progress but it would seem that this shouldn't be a career!! So, if anybody has some experience with these hone brushes I'd appreciate any suggestions. We do seem to have quite a bit of hard black glaze on the sleeves. I'm beginning to think that maybe the brush should be run dry, no lubricant. Thanks for any suggestions, Tim Murphy _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jun 19 19:08:17 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:08:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit In-Reply-To: <006601cd4e51$810ca720$8325f560$@net> References: <006601cd4e51$810ca720$8325f560$@net> Message-ID: <4FE12281.1060202@bradakis.com> First you get some cotton overalls and a tin of borax ... wait, I think I have some newer notes. mjb. From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Jun 19 19:24:22 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:24:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don't let him kid you Mike, we all wear them, its just that those of us not on the west coast wear them UNDER our drivers suits :) Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: SpiwakD at aol.com > Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:15:55 -0400 > To: bownes at seiri.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Drivers suit > > I hear that a Nomex thong is popular with California drivers > > > In a message dated 6/19/2012 4:37:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > bownes at seiri.com writes: > > The most important thing is to get one that is big enough and won't shrink > over the winter. ;) > > > > On Jun 19, 2012, at 16:28, "william r tobin" > wrote: > > > Hi Mike, welcome to the club. > > Lots of good suits out there. Get one that's SFI certified, 3-2A/5, or > whatever the current standard is. > > Most vintage organizations want 3 laters of Nomex; 2 layer suit and > underwear, or 3 layer suit. > > I was always told that if you're smart, you'll wear a 3 layer suit with > underwear; the extra layer will give you 15-20 seconds more in a fire. > > If you have facial hair, a balaclave is required. (I'd wear one even if I > didn't have facial hair). > > Simpson High top shoes are good, a little more support for ankles. > > Simpson Posi Grip gloves wear well. > > A good helmet and a HANS are a good idea. Remember the old Bell ads from > the > '60's: If you got a $10 dollar head, wear a $10 helmet. > > Good luck. > > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:27 PM > > Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit > > > > > >> Can anybody give me a little advice on a drivers suit and gloves? What > to > >> look for or stay away from, and what's a reasonable price. > >> > >> > >> > >> Also can't really find what is required regarding underwear. > >> > >> > >> > >> Picking up my TR4 this weekend and I want to start doing some DE days to > >> learn the car. > >> > >> > >> > >> Hope you don't mind the questions, I am really new at this and have a > lot > to > >> learn!! > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> 62 TR4 > >> > >> > >> > >> Michael T. Moore, CPA > >> > >> 2007 West 32nd Street > >> > >> Erie, PA 16508 > >> > >> > >> > >> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > >> > >> Fax: 814-864-7383 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spiwakd at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From mmoore at wave1.net Wed Jun 20 05:21:35 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 07:21:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit Message-ID: <002801cd4ed6$dabade60$90309b20$@net> Thanks for all the advice. Good thing I joined the FOT or I would never have known about the Nomex g-string!! At least I am on East coast and can wear it under my suit! Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jun 20 11:27:21 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... Message-ID: <95b9.48e6d721.3d1361f9@aol.com> Amici... There was a new (to me) TR3A racer at the Blackhawk Vintage Classic, reported to be a 'Team Effort', with an owner, Guy Moter, and two investor/Drivers. Not sure how or why, but they put it into the tire wall coming out of Turn SEVEN in the feature race on Sunday afternoon. The car had been running well, but I suspect a failed asphalt patch right on the line in Turn SEVEN probably did him in. If you got off line high and into the marbles things did not go well thereafter. He also was experiencing an overheating problem, was using a 7# radiator cap, and may have slid in his own slop. Anyway they are located in the Milwaukee area, and are looking for a right rear fender. Any ideas? Anyone have a contact number for Chris Mills in the Fox River Valley, Wisconsin? He might be a source. Guy Moter's telephone number is 262/573-4511 and his email address is vintageautoservice at yahoo.com. Bill Dentinger From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jun 20 11:36:10 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... Message-ID: <9aac.4cc41a93.3d13640a@aol.com> Amici... I forgot to mention, apparently this team ran the VSCDA School at Gingerman, and the May event at Road America as well. Guy Moter may already be an FOT member. If he is not, he should be and I would like to nominate him for membership if the Friends of Triumph (FOT). His email address is: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Bill Dentinger From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Wed Jun 20 11:46:14 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:46:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... In-Reply-To: <9aac.4cc41a93.3d13640a@aol.com> References: <9aac.4cc41a93.3d13640a@aol.com> Message-ID: <001101cd4f0c$989a8e00$c9cfaa00$@rr.com> Anyone with stones enough to race a TR3 is okay. I'll second! Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:36 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... Amici... I forgot to mention, apparently this team ran the VSCDA School at Gingerman, and the May event at Road America as well. Guy Moter may already be an FOT member. If he is not, he should be and I would like to nominate him for membership if the Friends of Triumph (FOT). His email address is: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jun 20 12:15:47 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:15:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... In-Reply-To: <001101cd4f0c$989a8e00$c9cfaa00$@rr.com> References: <9aac.4cc41a93.3d13640a@aol.com> <001101cd4f0c$989a8e00$c9cfaa00$@rr.com> Message-ID: I've been meaning to get over to talk with those guys for a couple events now. They also did the Midwestern Council drivers school. So they get a second from me! Hope they choose to continue to race with MCSCC in addition to the vintage racing organizations. Welcome to the group...Orange TR3A. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ #27 yellow On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Spitfire Racing < Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com> wrote: > Anyone with stones enough to race a TR3 is okay. I'll second! > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:36 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... > > Amici... > > I forgot to mention, apparently this team ran the VSCDA School at > Gingerman, > and the May event at Road America as well. Guy Moter may already be an FOT > member. If he is not, he should be and I would like to nominate him for > membership if the Friends of Triumph (FOT). > > His email address is: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From peter at nosimport.com Wed Jun 20 12:28:39 2012 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:28:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... In-Reply-To: <95b9.48e6d721.3d1361f9@aol.com> References: <95b9.48e6d721.3d1361f9@aol.com> Message-ID: <20120620182849.AAC0BF44066@mx2.netinteraction.com> Chris Mills' phone is (920) 660-0281 rarely answers, and doesn't always return phone calls. BY FAR the best way to reach him is through his parts man at edwardcoyle at gmail.com I'm sure he has some. Located near Green Bay (Seymour, home of the hamburger) Peter C ======= At 12:27 PM 6/20/2012, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: >Amici... > >Anyway they are located in the Milwaukee area, and are looking for a right >rear fender. Any ideas? Anyone have a contact number for Chris Mills in >the Fox River Valley, Wisconsin? He might be a source. > >Guy Moter's telephone number is 262/573-4511 and his email address is >vintageautoservice at yahoo.com. > >Bill Dentinger >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/peter at nosimport.com > > > > >----- >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5081 - Release Date: 06/20/12 From wensley_tr at comcast.net Wed Jun 20 13:36:28 2012 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 15:36:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Drivers suit In-Reply-To: <4FE12281.1060202@bradakis.com> References: <006601cd4e51$810ca720$8325f560$@net> <4FE12281.1060202@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <003a01cd4f1b$fcf86160$f6e92420$@net> Cotton overalls!! no no go to Sunny Surplus an buy yourself a Flight suit (bright orange) then soke it in borax. Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 9:08 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Drivers suit First you get some cotton overalls and a tin of borax ... wait, I think I have some newer notes. mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From awashatko at wi.rr.com Wed Jun 20 16:52:47 2012 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:52:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... In-Reply-To: <95b9.48e6d721.3d1361f9@aol.com> References: <95b9.48e6d721.3d1361f9@aol.com> Message-ID: <9F1025F0-C9FE-4010-8D7B-6C1F4BD2E23A@wi.rr.com> Guy Moter hails from the Cedarburg, WI. area - new to the VSCDA scene. They have run Gratten and RA (a reported 3:04 lap time) this season. Guy has a history of american auto restoration work. We should nominate him to the group. Allen On Jun 20, 2012, at 12:27 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > There was a new (to me) TR3A racer at the Blackhawk Vintage Classic, > reported to be a 'Team Effort', with an owner, Guy Moter, and two > investor/Drivers. Not sure how or why, but they put it into the > tire wall coming out of > Turn SEVEN in the feature race on Sunday afternoon. The car had > been running > well, but I suspect a failed asphalt patch right on the line in Turn > SEVEN > probably did him in. If you got off line high and into the marbles > things did > not go well thereafter. He also was experiencing an overheating > problem, > was using a 7# radiator cap, and may have slid in his own slop. > > Anyway they are located in the Milwaukee area, and are looking for a > right > rear fender. Any ideas? Anyone have a contact number for Chris > Mills in > the Fox River Valley, Wisconsin? He might be a source. > > Guy Moter's telephone number is 262/573-4511 and his email address is > vintageautoservice at yahoo.com. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jun 20 17:11:28 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:11:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... In-Reply-To: <001101cd4f0c$989a8e00$c9cfaa00$@rr.com> References: <9aac.4cc41a93.3d13640a@aol.com> <001101cd4f0c$989a8e00$c9cfaa00$@rr.com> Message-ID: <7949CD54-0756-47A1-93CD-F89F33D491DF@gdhs.com> Hey, all a 3 needs is a heavy foot ( left or right depending on which side of the pond you're on) just ask Chris about Van Mulder's......... Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Spitfire Racing" wrote: > Anyone with stones enough to race a TR3 is okay. I'll second! > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:36 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... > > Amici... > > I forgot to mention, apparently this team ran the VSCDA School at Gingerman, > and the May event at Road America as well. Guy Moter may already be an FOT > member. If he is not, he should be and I would like to nominate him for > membership if the Friends of Triumph (FOT). > > His email address is: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jun 20 17:38:15 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:38:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... In-Reply-To: <7949CD54-0756-47A1-93CD-F89F33D491DF@gdhs.com> References: <9aac.4cc41a93.3d13640a@aol.com> <001101cd4f0c$989a8e00$c9cfaa00$@rr.com> <7949CD54-0756-47A1-93CD-F89F33D491DF@gdhs.com> Message-ID: I'm afraid a heavy left foot won't do any good on either side of the pond...John. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Hey, all a 3 needs is a heavy foot ( left or right depending on which side > of > the pond you're on) just ask Chris about Van Mulder's......... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 20, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Spitfire Racing" < > Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com> > wrote: > > > Anyone with stones enough to race a TR3 is okay. I'll second! > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:36 PM > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Cc: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... > > > > Amici... > > > > I forgot to mention, apparently this team ran the VSCDA School at > Gingerman, > > and the May event at Road America as well. Guy Moter may already be an > FOT > > member. If he is not, he should be and I would like to nominate him for > > membership if the Friends of Triumph (FOT). > > > > His email address is: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > > > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From cwnfot at gmail.com Wed Jun 20 18:57:30 2012 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:57:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson Message-ID: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> Id like to nominate Bud Rolofson for this FOT group. Bud has an immaculate and well prepared street TR6 that is also at the level of top-notch solo/slalom competition. Bud and I team up at the annual VTR conventions for the 2-person driving events, Fun Rally, TSD Rally, Funkhana and are known to do well at that. Bud even drives the TR6 to the VTR events from the Denver CO area. No trailer involved! He took home the "daily driver" award at VTR one year! Now he is contemplating his parts supply which includes a TR4A wreck. In his words: --- Not sure I'm doing a race car but its still in the thought process as I sort out my TR4A wreck. I've got a good guy here in Denver named Jim Gray who does vintage racing for support so I'm leaning towards at least a race car that can become a street car if the next owner desires that. But I'd love to listen in on the FOT list so if that's OK sign me up. I met Kevin Lynch through Irv Korey but I haven't seen him race yet. Saw his car when I dropped a VGR logo by Kevin's house at Irv's request. Bud 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net ---- I guess Bud has 2 sponsors mentioned and I can think of a few more here that know him!! Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jun 20 19:06:37 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson In-Reply-To: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> References: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> Message-ID: <8CF1D613DD1F681-11D4-5117@webmail-m030.sysops.aol.com> i thought he was already on. we spent some time together in february. maybe i forgot to do something Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Clark W. Nicholls To: fot Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 7:58 pm Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson Id like to nominate Bud Rolofson for this FOT group. Bud has an immaculate and well prepared street TR6 that is also at the level of top-notch solo/slalom competition. Bud and I team up at the annual VTR conventions for the 2-person driving events, Fun Rally, TSD Rally, Funkhana and are known to do well at that. Bud even drives the TR6 to the VTR events from the Denver CO area. No trailer involved! He took home the "daily driver" award at VTR one year! Now he is contemplating his parts supply which includes a TR4A wreck. In his words: --- Not sure I'm doing a race car but its still in the thought process as I sort out my TR4A wreck. I've got a good guy here in Denver named Jim Gray who does vintage racing for support so I'm leaning towards at least a race car that can become a street car if the next owner desires that. But I'd love to listen in on the FOT list so if that's OK sign me up. I met Kevin Lynch through Irv Korey but I haven't seen him race yet. Saw his car when I dropped a VGR logo by Kevin's house at Irv's request. Bud 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net ---- I guess Bud has 2 sponsors mentioned and I can think of a few more here that know him!! Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 20 19:11:53 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:11:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson In-Reply-To: <8CF1D613DD1F681-11D4-5117@webmail-m030.sysops.aol.com> References: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> <8CF1D613DD1F681-11D4-5117@webmail-m030.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Is that a second? On Jun 20, 2012, at 8:06 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > i thought he was already on. > > we spent some time together in february. > > maybe i forgot to do something > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clark W. Nicholls > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 7:58 pm > Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson > > > Id like to nominate Bud Rolofson for this FOT group. > Bud has an immaculate and well prepared street TR6 that is also at the level > of top-notch solo/slalom competition. Bud and I team up at the annual VTR > conventions for the 2-person driving events, Fun Rally, TSD Rally, Funkhana > and are known to do well at that. > Bud even drives the TR6 to the VTR events from the Denver CO area. No > trailer involved! He took home the "daily driver" award at VTR one year! > > Now he is contemplating his parts supply which includes a TR4A wreck. In his > words: > --- > Not sure I'm doing a race car but its still in the thought process as I > sort out my TR4A wreck. I've got a good guy here in Denver named Jim Gray > who does vintage racing for support so I'm leaning towards at least a race > car that can become a street car if the next owner desires that. > > But I'd love to listen in on the FOT list so if that's OK sign me up. > > I met Kevin Lynch through Irv Korey but I haven't seen him race yet. Saw > his car when I dropped a VGR logo by Kevin's house at Irv's request. > > Bud > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > ---- > I guess Bud has 2 sponsors mentioned and I can think of a few more here > that know him!! > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jun 20 19:28:17 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson In-Reply-To: References: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> <8CF1D613DD1F681-11D4-5117@webmail-m030.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF1D644490140F-11D4-5284@webmail-m030.sysops.aol.com> yes! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Delap To: Joe Alexander Cc: cwnfot ; fot Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 8:11 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson Is that a second? On Jun 20, 2012, at 8:06 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > i thought he was already on. > > we spent some time together in february. > > maybe i forgot to do something > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clark W. Nicholls > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Jun 20, 2012 7:58 pm > Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson > > > Id like to nominate Bud Rolofson for this FOT group. > Bud has an immaculate and well prepared street TR6 that is also at the level > of top-notch solo/slalom competition. Bud and I team up at the annual VTR > conventions for the 2-person driving events, Fun Rally, TSD Rally, Funkhana > and are known to do well at that. > Bud even drives the TR6 to the VTR events from the Denver CO area. No > trailer involved! He took home the "daily driver" award at VTR one year! > > Now he is contemplating his parts supply which includes a TR4A wreck. In his > words: > --- > Not sure I'm doing a race car but its still in the thought process as I > sort out my TR4A wreck. I've got a good guy here in Denver named Jim Gray > who does vintage racing for support so I'm leaning towards at least a race > car that can become a street car if the next owner desires that. > > But I'd love to listen in on the FOT list so if that's OK sign me up. > > I met Kevin Lynch through Irv Korey but I haven't seen him race yet. Saw > his car when I dropped a VGR logo by Kevin's house at Irv's request. > > Bud > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > ---- > I guess Bud has 2 sponsors mentioned and I can think of a few more here > that know him!! > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jun 20 19:29:58 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:29:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... In-Reply-To: References: <9aac.4cc41a93.3d13640a@aol.com> <001101cd4f0c$989a8e00$c9cfaa00$@rr.com> <7949CD54-0756-47A1-93CD-F89F33D491DF@gdhs.com> Message-ID: Shucks. That must be why you were in front of me @ RA Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2012, at 7:38 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > I'm afraid a heavy left foot won't do any good on either side of the pond...John. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Hey, all a 3 needs is a heavy foot ( left or right depending on which side of > the pond you're on) just ask Chris about Van Mulder's......... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 20, 2012, at 1:46 PM, "Spitfire Racing" > wrote: > > > Anyone with stones enough to race a TR3 is okay. I'll second! > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 1:36 PM > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Cc: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... > > > > Amici... > > > > I forgot to mention, apparently this team ran the VSCDA School at > Gingerman, > > and the May event at Road America as well. Guy Moter may already be an FOT > > member. If he is not, he should be and I would like to nominate him for > > membership if the Friends of Triumph (FOT). > > > > His email address is: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > > > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Jun 20 20:03:24 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:03:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson In-Reply-To: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> References: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> Message-ID: Second, third, whatever it takes. Bud's a Triumph motor head for sure and a great guy on top of that. Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: cwnfot at gmail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 20:57:30 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson > > Id like to nominate Bud Rolofson for this FOT group. > Bud has an immaculate and well prepared street TR6 that is also at the level > of top-notch solo/slalom competition. Bud and I team up at the annual VTR > conventions for the 2-person driving events, Fun Rally, TSD Rally, Funkhana > and are known to do well at that. > Bud even drives the TR6 to the VTR events from the Denver CO area. No > trailer involved! He took home the "daily driver" award at VTR one year! > > Now he is contemplating his parts supply which includes a TR4A wreck. In his > words: > --- > Not sure I'm doing a race car but its still in the thought process as I > sort out my TR4A wreck. I've got a good guy here in Denver named Jim Gray > who does vintage racing for support so I'm leaning towards at least a race > car that can become a street car if the next owner desires that. > > But I'd love to listen in on the FOT list so if that's OK sign me up. > > I met Kevin Lynch through Irv Korey but I haven't seen him race yet. Saw > his car when I dropped a VGR logo by Kevin's house at Irv's request. > > Bud > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > ---- > I guess Bud has 2 sponsors mentioned and I can think of a few more here > that know him!! > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From rjl at gt-classics.com Wed Jun 20 21:09:25 2012 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 23:09:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson In-Reply-To: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> References: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> Message-ID: <4FE29065.8050109@gt-classics.com> I'll second that - Bud's one of the good guys. John On 6/20/2012 8:57 PM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: > Id like to nominate Bud Rolofson for this FOT group. > Bud has an immaculate and well prepared street TR6 that is also at the level > of top-notch solo/slalom competition. Bud and I team up at the annual VTR > conventions for the 2-person driving events, Fun Rally, TSD Rally, Funkhana > and are known to do well at that. > Bud even drives the TR6 to the VTR events from the Denver CO area. No > trailer involved! He took home the "daily driver" award at VTR one year! > > Now he is contemplating his parts supply which includes a TR4A wreck. In his > words: > --- > Not sure I'm doing a race car but its still in the thought process as I > sort out my TR4A wreck. I've got a good guy here in Denver named Jim Gray > who does vintage racing for support so I'm leaning towards at least a race > car that can become a street car if the next owner desires that. > > But I'd love to listen in on the FOT list so if that's OK sign me up. > > I met Kevin Lynch through Irv Korey but I haven't seen him race yet. Saw > his car when I dropped a VGR logo by Kevin's house at Irv's request. > > Bud > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > ---- > I guess Bud has 2 sponsors mentioned and I can think of a few more here > that know him!! > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com > > > > > -- Thanks, R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From triumphs at consolidated.net Wed Jun 20 21:19:58 2012 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:19:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Bud Rolofson In-Reply-To: <4FE29065.8050109@gt-classics.com> References: <00fc01cd4f48$d6fbd3c0$84f37b40$@com> <4FE29065.8050109@gt-classics.com> Message-ID: <764C409E-634A-4843-9112-1229CBCF9F24@consolidated.net> Count me in on this second. Bud is a great guy. Gano Sent from my iPad On Jun 20, 2012, at 10:09 PM, "R. John Lye" wrote: > I'll second that - Bud's one of the good guys. > > John > > On 6/20/2012 8:57 PM, Clark W. Nicholls wrote: >> Id like to nominate Bud Rolofson for this FOT group. >> Bud has an immaculate and well prepared street TR6 that is also at the level >> of top-notch solo/slalom competition. Bud and I team up at the annual VTR >> conventions for the 2-person driving events, Fun Rally, TSD Rally, Funkhana >> and are known to do well at that. >> Bud even drives the TR6 to the VTR events from the Denver CO area. No >> trailer involved! He took home the "daily driver" award at VTR one year! >> >> Now he is contemplating his parts supply which includes a TR4A wreck. In his >> words: >> --- >> Not sure I'm doing a race car but its still in the thought process as I >> sort out my TR4A wreck. I've got a good guy here in Denver named Jim Gray >> who does vintage racing for support so I'm leaning towards at least a race >> car that can become a street car if the next owner desires that. >> >> But I'd love to listen in on the FOT list so if that's OK sign me up. >> >> I met Kevin Lynch through Irv Korey but I haven't seen him race yet. Saw >> his car when I dropped a VGR logo by Kevin's house at Irv's request. >> >> Bud >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> levilevi at comcast.net >> ---- >> I guess Bud has 2 sponsors mentioned and I can think of a few more here >> that know him!! >> >> Clark >> Clark W. Nicholls >> 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) >> and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner >> "Reality, it's not what you think." >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Thanks, > R. John Lye > > rjl6n at cstone.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Jun 20 21:33:15 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:33:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list Message-ID: <0D497438-38A5-40D1-94AF-9AD91C9A2E96@comcast.net> Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things about this list and I'm honored to be included. I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look forward to learning how the racers do it. Regards Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net From LimeyV8 at aol.com Thu Jun 21 06:59:36 2012 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (Jack Mc) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:59:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list In-Reply-To: <0D497438-38A5-40D1-94AF-9AD91C9A2E96@comcast.net> References: <0D497438-38A5-40D1-94AF-9AD91C9A2E96@comcast.net> Message-ID: <64504D16-7044-4445-9340-6663C2BAEAB3@aol.com> Welcome aboard Bud! Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things about this list and I'm honored to be included. > > I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look forward to learning how the racers do it. > > Regards > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 21 07:08:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TAIL OF THE DRAGON AND OTHER TRIUMPHS Message-ID: <8CF1DC6247AB1DB-1678-9A7@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> We just finished the day at the 'Dragon' and sat down for dinner in Robbinsville, NC....I looked to the side and caught sight of Classic Motorsport's Gary Hunter. It seems that Gary is here to surprise JK Jackson, who is running his TR6 in the SCCA Sanctioned Hill Climb on the Dragon. We agreed to meet Friday night when the competitors display their cars on Main Street in Robbinsville. Great unplanned event on our trip. Not far away, north of Ashville, NC, there is a TRA Convention and we wonder if Bob and Jean Johns are anywhere nearby. And we hope to hook up with Richard Taylor near Stone Mountain by Saturday. Brad and Susan have job commitments or certainly they would be joining us. The FOT is everywhere....what a great network. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From spitfiresuz at 141.com Thu Jun 21 07:25:02 2012 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list Message-ID: <380-22012642113252190@M2W116.mail2web.com> Hula Boy!!! :D Welcome, Bud! I could have sworn you were on here--glad you are now!!! You're a great fit with the group. Ever gonna put that supercharger on your car??? Susan :) On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things about this list and I'm honored to be included. > > I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look forward to learning how the racers do it. > > Regards > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jun 21 07:29:55 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:29:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list In-Reply-To: <380-22012642113252190@M2W116.mail2web.com> References: <380-22012642113252190@M2W116.mail2web.com> Message-ID: Hula Boy ???? Oh please tell us more :) Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: spitfiresuz at 141.com > To: levilevi at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:02 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list > > Hula Boy!!! :D > > Welcome, Bud! I could have sworn you were on here--glad you are now!!! > You're a great fit with the group. Ever gonna put that supercharger on your > car??? > > Susan :) > > > On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > > > Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things > about > this list and I'm honored to be included. > > > > I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look > forward to learning how the racers do it. > > > > Regards > > Bud Rolofson > > > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > levilevi at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From spitfiresuz at 141.com Thu Jun 21 07:39:52 2012 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:39:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list Message-ID: <380-220126421133952476@M2W134.mail2web.com> Those of you who have been to VTR Nationals will know to what I am referring... ;) Original Message: ----------------- From: marty sukey trmarty at hotmail.com Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:29:55 -0400 To: spitfiresuz at 141.com, levilevi at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] New to the FOT list Hula Boy ???? Oh please tell us more :) Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: spitfiresuz at 141.com > To: levilevi at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:02 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list > > Hula Boy!!! :D > > Welcome, Bud! I could have sworn you were on here--glad you are now!!! > You're a great fit with the group. Ever gonna put that supercharger on your > car??? > > Susan :) > > > On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > > > Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things > about > this list and I'm honored to be included. > > > > I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look > forward to learning how the racers do it. > > > > Regards > > Bud Rolofson > > > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > levilevi at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft. Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jun 21 08:13:11 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Right Rear Fender... Message-ID: <4665.385dec5e.3d1485f7@aol.com> In a message dated 06/20/2012 5:52:48 PM Central Daylight Time, awashatko at wi.rr.com writes: > Guy Moter hails from the Cedarburg, WI. area - new to the VSCDA scene. > They have run Gratten and RA (a reported 3:04 lap time) this season. Guy has > a history of american auto restoration work. We should nominate him to the > group. Done, and seconded. Incidentally, I missed an 'r' in Guy's name. It is actually, Guy Morter. Bill Dentinger From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 21 08:42:20 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 @ Road America VSCDA'S Vintage Festival Message-ID: <8CF1DD332A3429E-1678-11A0@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com> Discussed with VSCDA's John Houlton at Black Hawk Farms: Designated FOT PADDOCK AREA in prime real estate. Hospitality Tent A Triumph Only Practice Group for one session. Grid Girls and pre-race interviews with drivers. Some features of the Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival: Race Car Tour into town to the pleasure of fans and townspeople. Old Race Course re-enactment. Con Cours on the Green at the Oosthoff. Some of the folks involved: Kas Kastner, Grand Marshall John Houlton, VSCDA Board Member and is coordinating the FOT/VSCDA event. Mike and Deb Korneli, VSCDA Chairpersons of the event. George Bruggenthies, President of Road America and VSCDA member. Jack Woerhle, Technical Director The ELVF is one of North America's most popular events and attracts vintage racers from coast to to coast. It is also an event that does not have the cost and crush of what has been known as "FESTIVAL EVENTS". September weather usually promises moderate days and cool nights. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From riverside at southslope.net Thu Jun 21 09:14:46 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:14:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Message-ID: The welcoming into our fold of another TR3 racer has caused me to confront a long neglected duty: To find my old race car. When I last saw my TR3 it was in all black with red interior at a drivers school at Blackhawk Farms in b 74 or b75 I think. The car changed hands a few times and the last I heard, it was in the Fond u lac area of Wisconsin. It had two rather unique features. The roll bar was actually two tubes, both behind the driver, rather tall for the era, and welded together. The blegsb splayed out at the bottom fore and aft before being welded to plates on the frame. There were also the usual fore and aft and lateral additional tubes. The front shroud was split so that the top half could be easily removed without dealing with the lower half, thus easing certain service chores. Does anyone remember this car or have any idea where I could pick up a lead on its fate? My old friend who did so much to help me build it has been urging me to try to find and reacquire it for some time and now is the time. Thanks everyone for the help. From rikrock at live.com Thu Jun 21 09:17:43 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:17:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TAIL OF THE DRAGON AND OTHER TRIUMPHS Message-ID: Speaking of hillclimbs, a handful of FOT members will be in Reading, PA for the SCCA/PHA-sanctioned Pagoda Hillclimb this weekend. Check out the poster featuring Richard Good's TR6 at www.bmr-scca.org Rich Rock -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:08 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TAIL OF THE DRAGON AND OTHER TRIUMPHS We just finished the day at the 'Dragon' and sat down for dinner in Robbinsville, NC....I looked to the side and caught sight of Classic Motorsport's Gary Hunter. It seems that Gary is here to surprise JK Jackson, who is running his TR6 in the SCCA Sanctioned Hill Climb on the Dragon. We agreed to meet Friday night when the competitors display their cars on Main Street in Robbinsville. Great unplanned event on our trip. Not far away, north of Ashville, NC, there is a TRA Convention and we wonder if Bob and Jean Johns are anywhere nearby. And we hope to hook up with Richard Taylor near Stone Mountain by Saturday. Brad and Susan have job commitments or certainly they would be joining us. The FOT is everywhere....what a great network. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock at live.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Jun 21 10:09:50 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:09:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr Message-ID: <001801cd4fc8$4a1cfe40$de56fac0$@rogers.com> I would like to nominate Greg Kerr to the group. His email is gregsk at bell.net Greg just left my driveway towing his new TR7 Race car. He raced a Spitfire in the early 70s and is looking forward to getting back into the racing scene. He plans to go over the car this year and start racing next. Plans include a Sprint engine conversion. http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/TR7%20Race%20Car/P1030794.jpg Can I get a second? Thanks Paul MacDonald From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Jun 21 10:10:14 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:10:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list In-Reply-To: References: <380-22012642113252190@M2W116.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <4DCA7E7F-13CC-41DD-9AB3-1E9D67FB07E6@comcast.net> As Susan described my Hula Girl shirt has gotten a lot of mileage on it. I've worn it at most VTR banquets and most recently at a wedding in Hawaii appropriately enough. Seems like everyone wants to lift the grass skirt though. Lots of curious people. :) Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jun 21, 2012, at 7:29 AM, marty sukey wrote: > > Hula Boy ???? Oh please tell us more :) > > > > Marty > > ---------------------------------------- >> From: spitfiresuz at 141.com >> To: levilevi at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:02 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list >> >> Hula Boy!!! :D >> >> Welcome, Bud! I could have sworn you were on here--glad you are >> now!!! >> You're a great fit with the group. Ever gonna put that supercharger >> on your >> car??? >> >> Susan :) >> >> >> On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things >> about >> this list and I'm honored to be included. >>> >>> I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and >>> look >> forward to learning how the racers do it. >>> >>> Regards >>> Bud Rolofson >>> >>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >>> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >>> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >>> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >>> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >>> levilevi at comcast.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> mail2web - Check your email from the web at >> http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From riverside at southslope.net Thu Jun 21 10:28:13 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:28:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Message-ID: <1C01F36A1B9D4CF082B56EC27D2A139D@rileyPC> Oops, left off identifier Art De Armond From: riverside at southslope.net Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:14 AM To: FOT Subject: Search for my old TR3 racer The welcoming into our fold of another TR3 racer has caused me to confront a long neglected duty: To find my old race car. When I last saw my TR3 it was in all black with red interior at a drivers school at Blackhawk Farms in b 74 or b75 I think. The car changed hands a few times and the last I heard, it was in the Fond u lac area of Wisconsin. It had two rather unique features. The roll bar was actually two tubes, both behind the driver, rather tall for the era, and welded together. The blegsb splayed out at the bottom fore and aft before being welded to plates on the frame. There were also the usual fore and aft and lateral additional tubes. The front shroud was split so that the top half could be easily removed without dealing with the lower half, thus easing certain service chores. Does anyone remember this car or have any idea where I could pick up a lead on its fate? My old friend who did so much to help me build it has been urging me to try to find and reacquire it for some time and now is the time. Thanks everyone for the help. From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Jun 21 10:31:37 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:31:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list In-Reply-To: <4DCA7E7F-13CC-41DD-9AB3-1E9D67FB07E6@comcast.net> References: <380-22012642113252190@M2W116.mail2web.com> <4DCA7E7F-13CC-41DD-9AB3-1E9D67FB07E6@comcast.net> Message-ID: Probably looking to see if you are a east coast guy or a west coast guy has to do with how you wear your Nomex. On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > As Susan described my Hula Girl shirt has gotten a lot of mileage on it. > I've worn it at most VTR banquets and most recently at a wedding in Hawaii > appropriately enough. Seems like everyone wants to lift the grass skirt > though. Lots of curious people. :) > > > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > > > > > On Jun 21, 2012, at 7:29 AM, marty sukey wrote: > > >> Hula Boy ???? Oh please tell us more :) >> >> >> >> Marty >> >> ------------------------------**---------- >> >>> From: spitfiresuz at 141.com >>> To: levilevi at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net >>> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:02 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list >>> >>> Hula Boy!!! :D >>> >>> Welcome, Bud! I could have sworn you were on here--glad you are now!!! >>> You're a great fit with the group. Ever gonna put that supercharger on >>> your >>> car??? >>> >>> Susan :) >>> >>> >>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things >>>> >>> about >>> this list and I'm honored to be included. >>> >>>> >>>> I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look >>>> >>> forward to learning how the racers do it. >>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Bud Rolofson >>>> >>>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >>>> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >>>> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >>>> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >>>> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >>>> levilevi at comcast.net >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >>>> options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com >>>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**-------- >>> mail2web - Check your email from the web at >>> http://link.mail2web.com/**mail2web >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** >>> options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.**com >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From riverside at southslope.net Thu Jun 21 10:33:41 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 11:33:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr In-Reply-To: <001801cd4fc8$4a1cfe40$de56fac0$@rogers.com> References: <001801cd4fc8$4a1cfe40$de56fac0$@rogers.com> Message-ID: That is one sharp looking wedge! art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:09 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: 'GregKerr' Subject: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr I would like to nominate Greg Kerr to the group. His email is gregsk at bell.net Greg just left my driveway towing his new TR7 Race car. He raced a Spitfire in the early 70s and is looking forward to getting back into the racing scene. He plans to go over the car this year and start racing next. Plans include a Sprint engine conversion. http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/TR7%20Race%20Car/P1030794.jpg Can I get a second? Thanks Paul MacDonald _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5083 - Release Date: 06/21/12 From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Jun 21 10:41:01 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:41:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list In-Reply-To: References: <380-22012642113252190@M2W116.mail2web.com>, , <4DCA7E7F-13CC-41DD-9AB3-1E9D67FB07E6@comcast.net>, Message-ID: Well since Bud lives near the continental divide he probably wears it both ways :) Aren't you glad Clark drug you into this mess Bud? :)) Marty ________________________________ > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:31:37 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list > From: rfdeanes at gmail.com > To: levilevi at comcast.net > CC: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > > Probably looking to see if you are a east coast guy or a west coast guy > has to do with how you wear your Nomex. > > > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Bud Rolofson > > wrote: > As Susan described my Hula Girl shirt has gotten a lot of mileage on > it. I've worn it at most VTR banquets and most recently at a wedding > in Hawaii appropriately enough. Seems like everyone wants to lift the > grass skirt though. Lots of curious people. :) > > > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > > > > > On Jun 21, 2012, at 7:29 AM, marty sukey wrote: > > > Hula Boy ???? Oh please tell us more :) > > > > Marty > > ---------------------------------------- > From: spitfiresuz at 141.com > To: levilevi at comcast.net; > fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:02 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list > > Hula Boy!!! :D > > Welcome, Bud! I could have sworn you were on here--glad you are now!!! > You're a great fit with the group. Ever gonna put that supercharger on your > car??? > > Susan :) > > > On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson > > wrote: > > Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things > about > this list and I'm honored to be included. > > I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look > forward to learning how the racers do it. > > Regards > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 21 13:11:18 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:11:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list In-Reply-To: <0D497438-38A5-40D1-94AF-9AD91C9A2E96@comcast.net> References: <0D497438-38A5-40D1-94AF-9AD91C9A2E96@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FE371D6.8060007@bradakis.com> Bud Rolofson wrote: > Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things > about this list Of all the lists I scoop up after on Team.Net, this one is my favorite. Don't tell the other lists I said that! mjb. From garygret at sbcglobal.net Thu Jun 21 13:54:28 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD937A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD937A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <1340308468.44461.YahooMailRC@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Scott, Art, Sadly no one has valued the Midwestern Council history enough to scan and publish the archives. Bill Martin (near O'Hare) and club historian Jack Bowling (Milwaukee) have extensive collections of the old Klaxons and MC Annuals but it would be time-consuming to page through them. I might suggest Eric Sandsnes for a call. His dad Sandy raced a TR3 prepared to grenade levels back in the day and Eric grew up at the track, I think still has the car. He hasn't been a club member for a couple years but the last info I had was 608-837-0265, esandsnes_mcscc at msn.com. Jag estimate is $20K, not quite totalled but the trucker's insurance has accepted responsibility. Gretchen's driving the automatic for a few days, shifting the MINI was a little uncomfortable when stiff and sore. Almost a month to recover before the next race, race belts on a bruised shoulder would hurt! Gary ________________________________ From: "Barr, Scott" To: Gary Schneider Sent: Thu, June 21, 2012 2:31:47 PM Subject: FW: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Hi Gary, Do you know if there's on-line access to the Council Annuals from the early 70s and onward? Can't seem to locate anything. How's Gretch? And how's the jag? Totaled? (The jag, I mean; Gretchen is clearly not totaled. Still some value there, even with the dings) Scott -----Original Message----- From: riverside at southslope.net [mailto:riverside at southslope.net] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:25 PM To: Barr, Scott Subject: Re: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer my most recent pic shows a number one. It was silver and flat black then, but I don't know what number was on it further down the line. -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:07 PM To: riverside at southslope.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Do you recall what number was on the car when it was race here? -----Original Message----- From: riverside at southslope.net [mailto:riverside at southslope.net] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:04 PM To: Barr, Scott Subject: Re: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer No I don't. I would expect SCCA or Midwest Council. I am getting real close on a storage place where the GT6 would fit. Should be able to move on it early July. Where is the car located? art d -----Original Message----- From: Barr, Scott Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:38 AM To: riverside at southslope.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Do you know which clubs it was raced with after it went to Fond du Lac? Scott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of riverside at southslope.net Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:28 AM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Oops, left off identifier Art De Armond From: riverside at southslope.net Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:14 AM To: FOT Subject: Search for my old TR3 racer The welcoming into our fold of another TR3 racer has caused me to confront a long neglected duty: To find my old race car. When I last saw my TR3 it was in all black with red interior at a drivers school at Blackhawk Farms in b 74 or b75 I think. The car changed hands a few times and the last I heard, it was in the Fond u lac area of Wisconsin. It had two rather unique features. The roll bar was actually two tubes, both behind the driver, rather tall for the era, and welded together. The blegsb splayed out at the bottom fore and aft before being welded to plates on the frame. There were also the usual fore and aft and lateral additional tubes. The front shroud was split so that the top half could be easily removed without dealing with the lower half, thus easing certain service chores. Does anyone remember this car or have any idea where I could pick up a lead on its fate? My old friend who did so much to help me build it has been urging me to try to find and reacquire it for some time and now is the time. Thanks everyone for the help. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/scott.barr at mccarty-law.com ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5083 - Release Date: 06/21/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5083 - Release Date: 06/21/12 From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Jun 21 15:05:24 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:05:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New to the FOT list In-Reply-To: References: <380-22012642113252190@M2W116.mail2web.com>, , <4DCA7E7F-13CC-41DD-9AB3-1E9D67FB07E6@comcast.net>, Message-ID: It all depends on how strong the Coriolus force is that day. Now that you mention it I did forget to thank my navigator Clark for nominating me. Thanks Clark. Bud 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jun 21, 2012, at 10:41 AM, marty sukey wrote: > > Well since Bud lives near the continental divide he probably wears > it both ways :) > > > > Aren't you glad Clark drug you into this mess Bud? :)) > > > > Marty > > ________________________________ >> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:31:37 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list >> From: rfdeanes at gmail.com >> To: levilevi at comcast.net >> CC: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net >> >> Probably looking to see if you are a east coast guy or a west coast >> guy >> has to do with how you wear your Nomex. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Bud Rolofson >> > wrote: >> As Susan described my Hula Girl shirt has gotten a lot of mileage on >> it. I've worn it at most VTR banquets and most recently at a wedding >> in Hawaii appropriately enough. Seems like everyone wants to lift the >> grass skirt though. Lots of curious people. :) >> >> >> Bud Rolofson >> >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> levilevi at comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 21, 2012, at 7:29 AM, marty sukey wrote: >> >> >> Hula Boy ???? Oh please tell us more :) >> >> >> >> Marty >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> From: spitfiresuz at 141.com >> To: levilevi at comcast.net; >> fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:02 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] New to the FOT list >> >> Hula Boy!!! :D >> >> Welcome, Bud! I could have sworn you were on here--glad you are >> now!!! >> You're a great fit with the group. Ever gonna put that supercharger >> on your >> car??? >> >> Susan :) >> >> >> On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Bud Rolofson >> > wrote: >> >> Thanks for having me on the FOT list. I've always heard great things >> about >> this list and I'm honored to be included. >> >> I appreciate the kind words from Joe, Marty, John and others and look >> forward to learning how the racers do it. >> >> Regards >> Bud Rolofson >> >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> levilevi at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> mail2web - Check your email from the web at >> http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com> > >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> rob deanes >> TR Racer From jason at multivintage.com Thu Jun 21 15:22:40 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:22:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD937A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <1340308468.44461.YahooMailRC@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Art, Scott, Gary and all interested, Don't forget about me, perhaps one of the few MC guys really interested in our history... holding many pieces to the Midwestern Council (MC) puzzle. I have all the annuals and Klaxons from 1970 onward. I have left a message with Burt Levy (the last open road) about your quest... he drove a TR3 at that time in MC.... it may have been black for a while. and was damage wrecked and painted several times... each time looking worse and worse. There were few TR3's racing in council at that time. I will check the annuals and Klaxxons tomorrow for any more clues. But eagerly await a call back from Burt, as I suspect that if it was raced in MC he will have some info for us. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ Midwestern Council Race Chairperson NSSCC Board Member (Secretary) Majorly fanatical racing historian Antique dealer and Vintage Toy Store owner. Nut head, and more. From jason at multivintage.com Thu Jun 21 15:32:30 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 16:32:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Message-ID: Sorry if this message comes through twice.... Something strange happened when I tried to send it as a reply. Art, Scott, Gary and all interested, Don't forget about me, perhaps one of the few MC guys really interested in our history... holding many pieces to the Midwestern Council (MC) puzzle. I have all the annuals and Klaxons from 1970 onward. I have left a message with Burt Levy (the last open road) about your quest... he drove a TR3 at that time in MC.... it may have been black for a while. and was damage wrecked and painted several times... each time looking worse and worse. There were few TR3's racing in council at that time. I will check the annuals and Klaxxons tomorrow for any more clues. But eagerly await a call back from Burt, as I suspect that if it was raced in MC he will have some info for us. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ Midwestern Council Race Chairperson NSSCC Board Member (Secretary) Majorly fanatical racing historian Antique dealer and Vintage Toy Store owner. Nut head, and more. From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Jun 21 15:37:29 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:37:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer In-Reply-To: References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD937A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <1340308468.44461.YahooMailRC@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <98ED3994-8CED-4B55-AAFB-23624E0CD9AE@gdhs.com> Jason. Just for the record, SVRA does not accept annual tech inspections from other council members. HSR and the guys up in Canada, however, do. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Art, Scott, Gary and all interested, > Don't forget about me, perhaps one of the few MC guys really interested in > our history... holding many pieces to the Midwestern Council (MC) puzzle. > I have all the annuals and Klaxons from 1970 onward. > I have left a message with Burt Levy (the last open road) about your > quest... he drove a TR3 at that time in MC.... it may have been black for a > while. and was damage wrecked and painted several times... each time > looking worse and worse. > There were few TR3's racing in council at that time. > I will check the annuals and Klaxxons tomorrow for any more clues. > But eagerly await a call back from Burt, as I suspect that if it was raced > in MC he will have some info for us. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ > Midwestern Council Race Chairperson > NSSCC Board Member (Secretary) > Majorly fanatical racing historian > Antique dealer and Vintage Toy Store owner. > Nut head, and more. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From sgroh1 at comcast.net Thu Jun 21 15:50:50 2012 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:50:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Anyone have a SAH valve cover cap gasket?? Message-ID: <4402A53C-D918-472D-97FE-2AA4327616EB@comcast.net> I have an SAH valve cover with a spring-loaded cap that desperately needs a gasket. Nothing I've tried is sealing this puppy. Does anyone have a spare gasket or cap with a gasket they want to part with? The cap is not threaded, but depresses under a detent and then raises back up after a 1-4 turn. Any help would be much appreciated!!! Steve Groh 63 Spit From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jun 21 15:53:56 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer Message-ID: <2c2dc.3b942226.3d14f1f4@aol.com> In a message dated 06/21/2012 4:38:57 PM Central Daylight Time, jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: > Jason. Just for the record, SVRA does not accept annual tech inspections > from > other council members. HSR and the guys up in Canada, however, do. > While I have no first hand knowledge because I have not raced with SVRA since Carl and Jack left (I'm punishing them), it would really surprise me if they would not honor TECH inspection from other 'significant' vintage sanctioning bodies. SVRA has enough stones in their road these days without pissing racers off because they will not honor ANNUAL TECH inspections by other respected groups. The HAWK is a Road America event. Bill Dentinger From jason at multivintage.com Thu Jun 21 16:09:50 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:09:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer In-Reply-To: <2c2dc.3b942226.3d14f1f4@aol.com> References: <2c2dc.3b942226.3d14f1f4@aol.com> Message-ID: Strange goings on here... It took me a while to figure out what post/ topic is being referenced here. The "annuals" I'M talking about are like yearbooks... with racing photos, people/worker photos and championship points listings. These were put out yearly by Midwestern Council up until the digital era. I think my post ended up being confusing as it was referencing a few off line posts by Scott and Gary that may or may not have come across on FOT. Sorry for the confusion. On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:53 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 06/21/2012 4:38:57 PM Central Daylight Time, > jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: > > > Jason. Just for the record, SVRA does not accept annual tech inspections > from > other council members. HSR and the guys up in Canada, however, do. > > > and Bill D's last post. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Jun 21 16:45:08 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 17:45:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wiseco soft nylon hone brush In-Reply-To: <000001cd4e6c$e1007330$a3015990$@com> References: <000001cd4e6c$e1007330$a3015990$@com> Message-ID: <000001cd4fff$8327c990$89775cb0$@com> Thanks to all who responded regarding honing the cylinders. Essentially, I bought the wrong hone! I've now purchased a Flex Hone which should do the job. The Customer Support people at Flex Hone were helpful regarding which hone to get and how to use, RPM, amount of honing, etc. Their web site is pretty informative also, you just have to rummage around in it a bit to find the info. I should have the hone tomorrow from McMaster-Carr and be done with that part of the job. I'm beginning to think that we had excessive glaze because of very minimal cross hatching when the sleeves were honed for extra clearance for the forged pistons. We'll see how we do this time!! Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:43 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Wiseco soft nylon hone brush In our TR4 engine we have Wiseco forged pistons. I saw on their web site that they had a soft nylon hone brush available and as I needed a hone, I purchased one of their hone brushes to break the glaze on the sleeves prior to installing new rings. You can take a look at the brush at www.wiseco.com by clicking on "accessories" in the "automotive" section on the left hand side of the home page. I wanted something "safe" so as not to remove any metal from the sleeves and make them tapered or oblong or both. Has anyone used one of these hone brushes? I'm having a hard time "breaking the glaze" with it. I've called Wiseco a couple of times regarding lubricant/cutting fluid and speed to run it at and have followed their instructions. So far I've tried straight mineral spirits (the Wiseco recommendation), a 50/50 mix of mineral spirits and ATF and carb cleaner that an engine builder in town recommended. I'm making progress but it would seem that this shouldn't be a career!! So, if anybody has some experience with these hone brushes I'd appreciate any suggestions. We do seem to have quite a bit of hard black glaze on the sleeves. I'm beginning to think that maybe the brush should be run dry, no lubricant. Thanks for any suggestions, Tim Murphy _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Jun 21 17:41:53 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:41:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Monster Message-ID: <003801cd5007$700d5ed0$50281c70$@rogers.com> Here is a car that runs in Ontario. http://coburnphotographyca.smugmug.com/Motorsports/GT-1-to-GT-6/DAC-Trillium -Trophy-Races-2012/23405374_Vgpgbd#!i=1891593890&k=7BzpqQH&lb=1&s=A It has a 400 cubic inch all aluminum Dart engine about 600hp, and wins most races in GT1 locally against Corvettes, Vipers and Porsches. Paul From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Jun 21 17:47:30 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 19:47:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR7 Monster In-Reply-To: <003801cd5007$700d5ed0$50281c70$@rogers.com> References: <003801cd5007$700d5ed0$50281c70$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <004001cd5008$391d89d0$ab589d70$@rogers.com> Try this shorter link http://tinyurl.com/7qqgtf7 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: June 21, 2012 7:42 PM To: Fot Subject: [Fot] TR7 Monster Here is a car that runs in Ontario. http://coburnphotographyca.smugmug.com/Motorsports/GT-1-to-GT-6/DAC-Trillium -Trophy-Races-2012/23405374_Vgpgbd#!i=1891593890&k=7BzpqQH&lb=1&s=A It has a 400 cubic inch all aluminum Dart engine about 600hp, and wins most races in GT1 locally against Corvettes, Vipers and Porsches. Paul _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jun 21 19:24:55 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr....now Wedges at the Kastner Cup In-Reply-To: References: <001801cd4fc8$4a1cfe40$de56fac0$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <8CF1E2CF745335F-1798-BFA6@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com> Wedges are one part of the future for Triumph Vintage Racing. The 2013 Kastner Cup will once again accept all Triumphs on a case by case basis. We will be looking forward to seeing applications for approval for the Wedge Family. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: riverside To: Paul MacDonald ; fot Cc: 'GregKerr' Sent: Thu, Jun 21, 2012 11:38 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr That is one sharp looking wedge! art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Paul MacDonald Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:09 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: 'GregKerr' Subject: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr I would like to nominate Greg Kerr to the group. His email is gregsk at bell.net Greg just left my driveway towing his new TR7 Race car. He raced a Spitfire in the early 70s and is looking forward to getting back into the racing scene. He plans to go over the car this year and start racing next. Plans include a Sprint engine conversion. http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/TR7%20Race%20Car/P1030794.jpg Can I get a second? Thanks Paul MacDonald _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2180 / Virus Database: 2437/5083 - Release Date: 06/21/12 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Jun 21 20:12:28 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:12:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Nomination Greg Kerr In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005901cd501c$7997cbb0$6cc76310$@rogers.com> I think Peter meant to reply all. Paul -----Original Message----- From: peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca [mailto:peter.bulkowski at mercedes-benz.ca] Sent: June 21, 2012 1:51 PM To: Paul MacDonald Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr Second, greg is a racer Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: macdonaldp Sent: 21.06.2012 12:09 AST To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: gregsk at bell.net Subject: [Fot] Nomination Greg Kerr I would like to nominate Greg Kerr to the group. His email is gregsk at bell.net Greg just left my driveway towing his new TR7 Race car. He raced a Spitfire in the early 70s and is looking forward to getting back into the racing scene. He plans to go over the car this year and start racing next. Plans include a Sprint engine conversion. http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w48/ACN1081/TR7%20Race%20Car/P1030794.jpg Can I get a second? Thanks Paul MacDonald _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bulkowskip at mercedes-benz.ca If you are not the intended addressee, please inform us immediately that you have received this e-mail in error, and delete it. We thank you for your cooperation. = From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 21 21:16:40 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:16:40 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: Nomination Greg Kerr [ List workings ] In-Reply-To: <005901cd501c$7997cbb0$6cc76310$@rogers.com> References: <005901cd501c$7997cbb0$6cc76310$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <4FE3E398.7050901@bradakis.com> Paul MacDonald wrote: > I think Peter meant to reply all. > > As many of you have no doubt noticed by now the default list behavior is to send a reply only to the one who first sent the message. I've had it set that way for many years. Basically it is easier to have a list member resend a post that was meant for all than to "unsend" a post that should not have been sent to all. So when replying you may want to check the "To: " box. Many years back I was explaining my reasoning for this policy on one of the lists. One subscriber sent a message to list with some comments on the subject. Another subscriber responded but it was pretty obvious the reply was meant to go to only one person, not the whole list. But I didn't unsubscribe him in spite of all the mean and unpleasant things he said about me and how the lists are managed. Another reason one's message don't reach the list is because you aren't sending it here. To send a message to fot at autox.team.net you send a message to, gee, fot at autox.team.net. Again, check the "To: " address ( or CC ) when composing your message. And yet another reason your messages don't come through is because you are not a member of the email list, your EMAIL is a member of the list. If you were put on the list as student_joe at diploma.mill but are now sending mail from the address worker_joe at slavers.com it won't come through. One can subscribe both addresses and set one of them to not get messages so you can send from either one but not get two copies. I just dealt with that for one person earlier today, you may soon be hearing from Bill Babcock again. Sorry to be somewhat long winded about such stuff, but hopefully a bit of knowledge will help all of you make good use of what a great resource this is! mjb, underworked and overpaid Team.Net janitor. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jun 22 06:05:27 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:05:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] WG: Spa last weekend Message-ID: <000f01cd506f$511672b0$f3435810$@com> Another Triumph video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded &v=1W7dGRVgDXk I appear as guest star from time to time. Cheers Chris From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Jun 22 07:23:59 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 09:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR7 Monster In-Reply-To: <004001cd5008$391d89d0$ab589d70$@rogers.com> References: <003801cd5007$700d5ed0$50281c70$@rogers.com> <004001cd5008$391d89d0$ab589d70$@rogers.com> Message-ID: LIKE!!! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 21 Jun 2012, Paul MacDonald wrote: > Try this shorter link > > http://tinyurl.com/7qqgtf7 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Paul MacDonald > Sent: June 21, 2012 7:42 PM > To: Fot > Subject: [Fot] TR7 Monster > > Here is a car that runs in Ontario. > > > > > m-Trophy-Races-2012/23405374_Vgpgbd#!i=1891593890&k=7BzpqQH&lb=1&s=A> > http://coburnphotographyca.smugmug.com/Motorsports/GT-1-to-GT-6/DAC-Trillium > -Trophy-Races-2012/23405374_Vgpgbd#!i=1891593890&k=7BzpqQH&lb=1&s=A > > > > It has a 400 cubic inch all aluminum Dart engine about 600hp, and wins most > races in GT1 locally against Corvettes, Vipers and Porsches. > > > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang at isis.mit.edu From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Fri Jun 22 11:54:15 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:54:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] trying to put video ion YouTube Message-ID: <006c01cd50a0$0a040f00$1e0c2d00$@rr.com> Okay, I have used software supplied at the GoPro site to reduce the length of the video files (GoPro Hero HD) to be less than 20 minutes and on four attempts to put video up on YouTube (many hours each) they have been dropped by the site with the message it was too long! Anyone have a work around on this? Is it based on time or on file size. The file was an MP4 with 1.7 gig content. I'm ready to give up....... Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Jun 22 11:58:11 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:58:11 +0200 Subject: [Fot] trying to put video ion YouTube In-Reply-To: <006c01cd50a0$0a040f00$1e0c2d00$@rr.com> References: <006c01cd50a0$0a040f00$1e0c2d00$@rr.com> Message-ID: <003101cd50a0$97d831d0$c7889570$@com> Good heavens! 1.7GB is way too much for us normal video watcher. Try to get it down to 100 - 300 MB and shorten it to less than 15 minutes. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Spitfire Racing Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Juni 2012 19:54 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] trying to put video ion YouTube Okay, I have used software supplied at the GoPro site to reduce the length of the video files (GoPro Hero HD) to be less than 20 minutes and on four attempts to put video up on YouTube (many hours each) they have been dropped by the site with the message it was too long! Anyone have a work around on this? Is it based on time or on file size. The file was an MP4 with 1.7 gig content. I'm ready to give up....... Russ Moore Spitfire #49 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From harmug at us.ibm.com Fri Jun 22 12:11:51 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:11:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 67, Issue 39 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: re: Video on Youtube Russ, I ran into the same problem this year when I upgraded to a GoPro HD from the original GoPro (Low def?). Hours of upload and then rejection. I had to upgrade (free) my account. There's a link on the rejection page. You verify your contact info and they text you a code. After I did that, no problem uploading 20 minute full race videos. I'd still recommend editing the raw file, I use the free movie maker program that comes with Windows. The file size bloats during the conversion to a *.wav file but it's fairly easy to use and you can add titles, credits, cut out sections and even add a sound track. mike G. Michael Harmuth 63 Spit From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Jun 22 12:35:20 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:35:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] trying to put video ion YouTube In-Reply-To: <006c01cd50a0$0a040f00$1e0c2d00$@rr.com> References: <006c01cd50a0$0a040f00$1e0c2d00$@rr.com> Message-ID: The video of Blackhawk Feature Race that I recently posted is an MP4 file that is 1.75GB and is 19 minutes long. Took a while to upload. The 2nd video I posted is similar, but YouTube had a couple of glitches and it posted on like the 3rd or 4th try. I had to close and re-open the browser for it to figure things out. The allowed length may be related to the type of YouTube account you have. Somewhere along the line it changed from allowing me to post 10 minute videos to longer videos (at least 20 minutes, maybe longer). I don't remember if I had to do anything to change this, though. Tony At 12:54 PM 6/22/2012, Spitfire Racing wrote: >Okay, I have used software supplied at the GoPro site to reduce the length >of the video files (GoPro Hero HD) to be less than 20 minutes and on four >attempts to put video up on YouTube (many hours each) they have been dropped >by the site with the message it was too long! Anyone have a work around on >this? Is it based on time or on file size. The file was an MP4 with 1.7 gig >content. > > > >I'm ready to give up....... > > > >Russ Moore > >Spitfire #49 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jun 22 19:40:00 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 21:40:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Search for my old TR3 racer In-Reply-To: <2c2dc.3b942226.3d14f1f4@aol.com> References: <2c2dc.3b942226.3d14f1f4@aol.com> Message-ID: Bill I am at Mid Ohio right now.... Believe me. I had to go through a full annual this morning even though I had an annual by VDCA noted in my log book in Dec. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2012, at 5:53 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 06/21/2012 4:38:57 PM Central Daylight Time, jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: > > >> Jason. Just for the record, SVRA does not accept annual tech inspections from >> other council members. HSR and the guys up in Canada, however, do. > > > While I have no first hand knowledge because I have not raced with SVRA since Carl and Jack left (I'm punishing them), it would really surprise me if they would not honor TECH inspection from other 'significant' vintage sanctioning bodies. SVRA has enough stones in their road these days without pissing racers off because they will not honor ANNUAL TECH inspections by other respected groups. > > The HAWK is a Road America event. > > Bill Dentinger From starr001 at umn.edu Sat Jun 23 08:14:38 2012 From: starr001 at umn.edu (Patrick Starr) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:14:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics In-Reply-To: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: Jim, I have entered the Portland Historics with my TR3 powered 1958 Morgan Plus 4. I finally got it running again after having the camshaft break during practice at the Mitty event in April (!) It has number 83 and is in group one. Patrick Starr On Jun 18, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Jim Norlin wrote: > For the past several months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph racing for the local Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. Among other things for this month's column, I want to include a preview of the Portland Historic Races. If you are planning on racing in this event, please let me know. I'd also like to include the model, year, and car number of the car you will be racing. Thanks in advance. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/starr001 at umn.edu From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 23 08:51:26 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:51:26 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Spa last weekend In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , , <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, , , , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: <000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> A real action video: http://contour.com/stories/trcompetition-2012-francorchamps-race-2-19-juni-c lip From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sat Jun 23 10:23:16 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 10:23:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spa last weekend In-Reply-To: <000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net> <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com> <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com> <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com> <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com> <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com> <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> Message-ID: <478064C7-BA8D-464B-8316-1BD24EA27843@yahoo.com> I bought my TR4 at a fire sale. It cooked a bit before the corner team got to it. All good now, but I installed a halon system just in case! Ty Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2012, at 8:51 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > A real action video: > > > > http://contour.com/stories/trcompetition-2012-francorchamps-race-2-19-juni-c > lip > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sat Jun 23 11:42:46 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 13:42:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 front coil springs Message-ID: <4FE60016.3090909@cfl.rr.com> I have a set of NOS 650lb comp coil springs 7 3/4" in length. My question: are the aluminum spring spacers that are used by the stock suspension still used with comp springs or left off? Spacers appear to be about 1" tall. thxx, Bob From ponobill at gmail.com Sat Jun 23 16:34:40 2012 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:34:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics In-Reply-To: References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hey Pat, it will be nice to see you. My email server has changed so I can't get on the FOT list anymore, haven't been able to get Mark to fix the problem, but this should get through since i have your direct email address. I'll be there with Peyote. Are you also going to the SOVREN race in Auburn the next weekend? On Jun 23, 2012, at 7:14 AM, Patrick Starr wrote: > Jim, > I have entered the Portland Historics with my TR3 powered 1958 Morgan Plus 4. > I finally got it running again after > having the camshaft break during practice at the Mitty event in April (!) It > has number 83 and is in group one. > > Patrick Starr > > On Jun 18, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Jim Norlin wrote: > >> For the past several months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph > racing for the local Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. Among > other things for this month's column, I want to include a preview of the > Portland Historic Races. If you are planning on racing in this event, please > let me know. I'd also like to include the model, year, and car number of the > car you will be racing. Thanks in advance. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/starr001 at umn.edu > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From mark at bradakis.com Sat Jun 23 16:52:15 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:52:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics In-Reply-To: References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FE6489F.1080808@bradakis.com> Bill Babcock wrote: > Hey Pat, it will be nice to see you. My email server has changed so I can't > get on the FOT list anymore, haven't been able to get Mark to fix the problem, > I thought I had fixed it back in May when you first told me about it, but apparently not. I did fix it the other day when Joe A. mentioned it. I commented on it as one example of why some folks messages weren't showing up. If the archives were updating properly I'd point folks in that direction to the specific message. It is getting too hot to fuss about in the garage, maybe I'll work on the archive issue. mjb, still the overpaid and underworked list janitor. From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 23 19:09:00 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 21:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics In-Reply-To: References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CF1FBD12B7C292-1790-203DD@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com> i got your email bill, good to have you back! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock To: Patrick Starr Cc: FOT Sent: Sat, Jun 23, 2012 5:38 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Portland Historics Hey Pat, it will be nice to see you. My email server has changed so I can't get on the FOT list anymore, haven't been able to get Mark to fix the problem, but this should get through since i have your direct email address. I'll be there with Peyote. Are you also going to the SOVREN race in Auburn the next weekend? On Jun 23, 2012, at 7:14 AM, Patrick Starr wrote: > Jim, > I have entered the Portland Historics with my TR3 powered 1958 Morgan Plus 4. > I finally got it running again after > having the camshaft break during practice at the Mitty event in April (!) It > has number 83 and is in group one. > > Patrick Starr > > On Jun 18, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Jim Norlin wrote: > >> For the past several months, I've been writing a monthly column on Triumph > racing for the local Portland Triumph Owners Association newsletter. Among > other things for this month's column, I want to include a preview of the > Portland Historic Races. If you are planning on racing in this event, please > let me know. I'd also like to include the model, year, and car number of the > car you will be racing. Thanks in advance. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/starr001 at umn.edu > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From ponobill at gmail.com Sat Jun 23 21:49:08 2012 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 20:49:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics In-Reply-To: <4FE6489F.1080808@bradakis.com> References: <4FDF4197.2020106@comcast.net> <4FE6489F.1080808@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mark, good to be back. I haven't been doing much of interest to FOTers lately, been busy with other stuff, but that's changing fast. Trying to wrap up some projects so I can get back to building a street TR3 for myself, and either getting Ambro #001 put back together or selling it. I have so many projects laying around I'm going to have to live to be at least 120 to finish them all. One weird thing I'm playng around with is aerial photography and autopilot technology for miniature multi-rotor helicopters. Here's one: http://www.kenalu.com/wp-content/uploads/ebooks/quadrecon.jpg The other weird thing is manufacturing carbon fiber paddles for Stand Up Paddle surfing and racing. Our paddles have attracted a cult following. As usual I didn't know what the heck i was doing, we just took a test and measurement geek approach to what has been traditionally driven by experience and fiddling. I just added some electronics to the process but it worked pretty well: http://www.kenalu.com/. Why a happily retired guy would build a business like this is simply beyond me. But I'm having fun with itI think. On Jun 23, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Bill Babcock wrote: >> Hey Pat, it will be nice to see you. My email server has changed so I can't >> get on the FOT list anymore, haven't been able to get Mark to fix the problem, >> > > I thought I had fixed it back in May when you first told me about it, > but apparently not. I did fix it the other day when Joe A. mentioned > it. I commented on it as one example of why some folks messages > weren't showing up. If the archives were updating properly I'd point > folks in that direction to the specific message. It is getting too hot > to fuss about in the garage, maybe I'll work on the archive issue. > > mjb, still the overpaid and underworked list janitor. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 24 03:38:21 2012 From: spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 05:38:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT Message-ID: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He races a very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto at Mosport last weekend. He's a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut who has built his own car as many of us have. He experienced and overcame some of the problems a car can toss at you in its early events. Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com)? Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jun 24 04:35:12 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 06:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT In-Reply-To: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> References: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> Message-ID: <8CF200C2B030826-1A74-22B79@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com> yo! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Spitfire Racing To: fot Cc: 'Donn Sopp' ; vangoughv Sent: Sun, Jun 24, 2012 4:38 am Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He races a very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto at Mosport last weekend. He's a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut who has built his own car as many of us have. He experienced and overcame some of the problems a car can toss at you in its early events. Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com)? Russ Moore Spitfire #49 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sun Jun 24 06:27:17 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:27:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT In-Reply-To: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> References: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000f01cd5204$b18f0760$14ad1620$@rogers.com> Second, can't have enough Canucks. Welcome Vince. Paul MacDonald -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Spitfire Racing Sent: June 24, 2012 5:38 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: 'Donn Sopp'; vangoughv at hotmail.com Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He races a very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto at Mosport last weekend. He's a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut who has built his own car as many of us have. He experienced and overcame some of the problems a car can toss at you in its early events. Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com)? Russ Moore Spitfire #49 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From wmrampe at yahoo.com Sun Jun 24 06:31:21 2012 From: wmrampe at yahoo.com (William Rampe) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 05:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT In-Reply-To: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> References: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1340541081.80310.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I am glad to second. Vince is a great guy and a worthy addition to the group. B Bill Rampe Spitfire 311 >________________________________ >From: Spitfire Racing >To: fot at autox.team.net >Cc: vangoughv at hotmail.com; 'Mark Wheatley' ; 'Donn Sopp' ; 'Steven Groh' ; 'William Rampe' >Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:38 AM >Subject: new entry to FOT > > >I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He races a very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto at Mosport last weekend. Hebs a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut who has built his own car as many of us have. He experienced and overcame some of the problems a car can toss at you in its early events. >B >Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com)? >B >Russ Moore >Spitfire #49 >B >B From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 24 06:51:15 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:51:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT In-Reply-To: <1340539075.36711.YahooMailClassic@web88602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> <1340539075.36711.YahooMailClassic@web88602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201cd5208$0b134280$2139c780$@rr.com> Mike, I believe you are on the FOT list, if not please correct me-you should be, and do you have an e-mail for Pete so I can get him in the group. That TR-8 is on steroids for sure. Sounded like NASCAR came to town when he lit it up! Yep, GT-6.....hopefully we helped him and didn't hinder or scare him on the weekend. It's a difficult concept that "new" parts out of the box are crap and don't work, but I think he knows that now. The grin filled the helmet by Sunday and I have to think that day outweighed any problems earlier. Always a great event up there. Russ From: MIKE DEWEERD [mailto:deweerdm at rogers.com] Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 7:58 AM To: Spitfire Racing Subject: Re: [Fot] new entry to FOT Absolutely!! Seconds for Vince! You can see Vince build "brutus" on Classicmotorsports.net Awesome Guy and going to be a great racer....He held his line in corner three catching my Volvo adversary behind him allowing me the pass!!! GO TEAM TRIUMPH!! Vince and his GT6 also participated in the Toronto International Auto Show's 50 years of Triumph along with my TR4 and Pete Bulkowski's TR8. It's great to see another Triumph at Mosport (Canadian Tire Motorsports Park) And don't forget as a GT6 racer he's going to need all the help he can get :) Mike Deweerd TR4 #77 --- On Sun, 6/24/12, Spitfire Racing wrote: From: Spitfire Racing Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: "'Donn Sopp'" , vangoughv at hotmail.com Date: Sunday, June 24, 2012, 9:38 AM I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He races a very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto at Mosport last weekend. He's a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut who has built his own car as many of us have. He experienced and overcame some of the problems a car can toss at you in its early events. Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com )? Russ Moore Spitfire #49 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/deweerdm at rogers.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Jun 24 07:56:10 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 09:56:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Line question Message-ID: Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of course :) Thanks, Marty From alfetta95 at optonline.net Sun Jun 24 08:37:37 2012 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:37:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83D0DD51-DB00-4018-82F7-08B385E977AB@optonline.net> Hold your line. It's the over taking vehicles responsibility to go around you. On the straights it helps if u point them by. Good luck!! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2012, at 9:56 AM, marty sukey wrote: > Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I > have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to > keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much > slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I > am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that > leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following > car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this > weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see > how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers > maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next > opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As > I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars > out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I > know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would > you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you > notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of > course :) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jun 24 08:44:00 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:44:00 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601cd5217$cc233fc0$6469bf40$@com> The only thing I would say: Be predictable, do nothing to confuse the faster guys. I'm happy if the slower people maintain their line as I know then where they will be in a second. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von marty sukey Gesendet: Sonntag, 24. Juni 2012 15:56 An: FOT Betreff: [Fot] Line question Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of course :) Thanks, Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 24 08:48:49 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 10:48:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009501cd5218$77b2ed40$6718c7c0$@rr.com> Marty, probably the safest way to go is stay on your line. Pointing someone by is good and shows them you know they're there. The worst thing you can do is change your line suddenly even if it is to let someone else by. Most folks understand slower traffic and it is ALWAYS up to the passing driver to be sure it is a safe pass. Russ Moore -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 9:56 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Line question Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of course :) Thanks, Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From ponobill at gmail.com Sun Jun 24 09:34:43 2012 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 08:34:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: <83D0DD51-DB00-4018-82F7-08B385E977AB@optonline.net> References: <83D0DD51-DB00-4018-82F7-08B385E977AB@optonline.net> Message-ID: <563611CA-436B-4115-8429-2705B45ABD52@bnj.com> There's a lot of debate on this issue, here's my take: Be consistent. That's all anyone should ask of you. I'm not really fond of people pointing me by, they often point in a direction I don't want to go, and then make some kind of move that I need to work around. I hate it when they start talking about that at the drivers meeting. I don't know where this notion comes from, but the idea that a much slower driver should be in control of where the faster cars go seems completely absurd. I'd just as soon you left that up to me. At the very least, don't be surprised if I don't take your direction, and for certain don't dart around to support your choice of where I should be going. A lot of racers think "The Line" is a railroad track that they have to follow. What the racing line is, is the part of the track that you HAVE to be on if you're driving at the limit of your car and would like to stay on the track. Groups like Vintage under two liter (usually Group One) have a wide speed differential that hasn't got much to do with driver ability. On tracks where the Loti, Lolas, Poopers and Peyote are turning under 1:40 there are cars circulating at well over 2:00. Many of them "drive the line" with rigid determination, even though they could be anywhere on the track and still negotiate the turns. If you're in that later circumstance, coming into a fast sweeper, and see a snarling pack closing on you, you might not want to be swinging in for a classic late apex. I know that if I say something like "hey, you kind of closed the door on me" that they will invariably say "I was driving the Line". Other than that, just drive your car. Check your mirrors but don't drive your mirrors. You might spike my blood pressure if you squeeze me out of a line I wanted, but that's MY problem. I'll work it out, and I won't hit you (probably) Just kidding. On Jun 24, 2012, at 7:37 AM, Todd Redmond wrote: > Hold your line. It's the over taking vehicles responsibility to go around you. On the straights it helps if u point them by. Good luck!! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 24, 2012, at 9:56 AM, marty sukey wrote: > >> Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I >> have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to >> keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much >> slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I >> am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that >> leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following >> car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this >> weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see >> how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers >> maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next >> opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As >> I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars >> out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I >> know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would >> you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you >> notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of >> course :) >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Marty >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From sgroh1 at comcast.net Sun Jun 24 11:43:51 2012 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 13:43:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT In-Reply-To: <000f01cd5204$b18f0760$14ad1620$@rogers.com> References: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> <000f01cd5204$b18f0760$14ad1620$@rogers.com> Message-ID: I'll make it a third on Vince!! Good guy! Welcome to FoT Vince!! Steve Groh Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2012, at 8:27 AM, "Paul MacDonald" wrote: > Second, can't have enough Canucks. Welcome Vince. > > Paul MacDonald > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Spitfire Racing > Sent: June 24, 2012 5:38 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: 'Donn Sopp'; vangoughv at hotmail.com > Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT > > I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He races a > very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto at Mosport > last weekend. He's a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut who has built his > own car as many of us have. He experienced and overcame some of the problems > a car can toss at you in its early events. > > > > Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com)? > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1 at comcast.net From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Sun Jun 24 14:09:12 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 16:09:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT In-Reply-To: <956C59DF11FE4D09A01FD712FA9BC7CE@home> References: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> <000f01cd5204$b18f0760$14ad1620$@rogers.com> <956C59DF11FE4D09A01FD712FA9BC7CE@home> Message-ID: <00e601cd5245$39304c20$ab90e460$@rr.com> They passed those pills out at the driver's meeting................did you miss it?? russ -----Original Message----- From: Donn Sopp [mailto:chadd at odyssey.net] Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 6:46 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Spitfire Racing; fot at autox.team.net; vangoughv at hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Fot] new entry to FOT Bring Vince into the fold. He has the enthusiasm to do it right and the attitude to carry on. Good people !!! Now can I get some extra HP from him? Donn Sopp Spitfire > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Spitfire Racing > Sent: June 24, 2012 5:38 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: 'Donn Sopp'; vangoughv at hotmail.com > Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT > > I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He > races a very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto > at Mosport last weekend. He's a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut > who has built his own car as many of us have. He experienced and > overcame some of the problems a car can toss at you in its early > events. > > > > Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com)? > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sun Jun 24 14:55:48 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:55:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8EC6C507-1FAB-43B0-A371-2241049A0938@yahoo.com> The only time I ever have a problem overtaking another car is when they are trying to get out of my way. So, my vote is hold the racing line. I will find the safe way around so we can both live to race another day. The only time I deem it necessary to drive off line is if your car is running way off pace and you are just trying to make it back to the pits. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2012, at 8:56 AM, marty sukey wrote: > Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I > have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to > keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much > slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I > am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that > leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following > car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this > weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see > how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers > maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next > opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As > I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars > out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I > know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would > you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you > notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of > course :) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sun Jun 24 18:27:56 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 20:27:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT In-Reply-To: <00e601cd5245$39304c20$ab90e460$@rr.com> References: <000001cd51ed$18af40d0$4a0dc270$@rr.com> <000f01cd5204$b18f0760$14ad1620$@rogers.com> <956C59DF11FE4D09A01FD712FA9BC7CE@home> <00e601cd5245$39304c20$ab90e460$@rr.com> Message-ID: LOl. Thanks gents it was a pleasure meeting at Mosport and I look forward to seeing you and other FOT in the future. On 2012-06-24, at 4:09 PM, "Spitfire Racing" wrote: > They passed those pills out at the driver's meeting................did you > miss it?? > russ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donn Sopp [mailto:chadd at odyssey.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 6:46 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: Spitfire Racing; fot at autox.team.net; vangoughv at hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] new entry to FOT > > Bring Vince into the fold. He has the enthusiasm to do it right and the > attitude to carry on. Good people !!! > Now can I get some extra HP from him? > Donn Sopp > Spitfire > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of Spitfire Racing >> Sent: June 24, 2012 5:38 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Cc: 'Donn Sopp'; vangoughv at hotmail.com >> Subject: [Fot] new entry to FOT >> >> I would like to recommend Canadian Vince Garrett to join the FOT. He >> races a very nicely prepared GT6+ and joined us in the Triumph ghetto >> at Mosport last weekend. He's a good man and a dedicated Triumph nut >> who has built his own car as many of us have. He experienced and >> overcame some of the problems a car can toss at you in its early >> events. >> >> >> >> Can I get a second for Vince (vangoughv at hotmail.com)? >> >> >> >> Russ Moore >> >> Spitfire #49 From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Jun 24 20:02:40 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 22:02:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: <8EC6C507-1FAB-43B0-A371-2241049A0938@yahoo.com> References: , <8EC6C507-1FAB-43B0-A371-2241049A0938@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Big thanks to all of you for your advice. I got it, hold the line! :) I will try and put that to practice when I get my next engine together. It should actually make it easier for me to drive that way as I found myself concentrating too much on keeping out of other peoples way than proper driving which I am sure did nothing for my lap times. I guess I just need to trust the fact that you will find a way around me. I am sure that as my confidence level grows that will be second nature. Thanks for tolerating me during my learning curve. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Sun Jun 24 20:14:26 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 19:14:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FE7C982.1080606@comcast.net> Good advise from all. The one additional thing that I can add is that in our local SCCA vintage races, I often have a Formula Atlantic or a big bruiser of a Camaro closing on my Spitfire at 40-50 mph at the end of a straight or powering by me entering the straightaway. In these situations I make it abundantly clear that I see them, I'm staying outside and they have the line. On 6/24/2012 6:56 AM, marty sukey wrote: > Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I > have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to > keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much > slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I > am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that > leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following > car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this > weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see > how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers > maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next > opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As > I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars > out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I > know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would > you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you > notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of > course :) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From bownes at seiri.com Sun Jun 24 22:03:46 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 00:03:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: <8EC6C507-1FAB-43B0-A371-2241049A0938@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <06EBBFE3-5996-4A7B-82E1-A531CE9D2711@seiri.com> I have to add a short story of my own... While in one of my first races in the spit that Marty now has my little GP Spitfire was lumped in with all the other prod and GT classes. Given that there was a National several days later and an IMSA race the next week, there were a few of the local Big Bore teams doing test and tune. It came as no surprise to anyone to find an IMSA/GT1 car with a big name driver on the pole and me on the other end of the grid as the lone GP entry. At the driver's meeting I approached him and said I'd do my best to stay out of the way. He turned and said 'Just hold your line and drive your race son. Let me worry about getting around you.' Those words rang loudly in my head as I came into Turn one alone at the back of the pack about four or five laps later with his Camaro thundering down on me. I held my line, tracked out, he ducked inside of me and was gone. We repeated that a few more times and then took the checker about half a lap apart. It was no surprise that we both placed first in class. But the victory lap with the checkered flag was just as sweet. We raced one more time in the following years. I was sorry when he left us a couple of years ago, especially since one of his first race cars was a TR6. Bob On Jun 24, 2012, at 22:02, marty sukey wrote: > Big thanks to all of you for your advice. I got it, hold the line! :) I will > try and put that to practice when I get my next engine together. It should > actually make it easier for me to drive that way as I found myself > concentrating too much on keeping out of other peoples way than proper driving > which I am sure did nothing for my lap times. I guess I just need to trust the > fact that you will find a way around me. I am sure that as my confidence level > grows that will be second nature. Thanks for tolerating me during my learning > curve. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From awashatko at wi.rr.com Mon Jun 25 06:03:09 2012 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 07:03:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: <06EBBFE3-5996-4A7B-82E1-A531CE9D2711@seiri.com> References: <8EC6C507-1FAB-43B0-A371-2241049A0938@yahoo.com> <06EBBFE3-5996-4A7B-82E1-A531CE9D2711@seiri.com> Message-ID: <05A7F7FF-5273-4346-A9E8-12E3094F1DCE@wi.rr.com> Bob, Great story and great advice. PLN was a class act! Allen On Jun 24, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri wrote: > I have to add a short story of my own... > > While in one of my first races in the spit that Marty now has my > little GP > Spitfire was lumped in with all the other prod and GT classes. Given > that > there was a National several days later and an IMSA race the next > week, there > were a few of the local Big Bore teams doing test and tune. > > It came as no surprise to anyone to find an IMSA/GT1 car with a big > name > driver on the pole and me on the other end of the grid as the lone > GP entry. > > At the driver's meeting I approached him and said I'd do my best to > stay out > of the way. He turned and said 'Just hold your line and drive your > race son. > Let me worry about getting around you.' Those words rang loudly in > my head as > I came into Turn one alone at the back of the pack about four or > five laps > later with his Camaro thundering down on me. I held my line, tracked > out, he > ducked inside of me and was gone. We repeated that a few more times > and then > took the checker about half a lap apart. > > It was no surprise that we both placed first in class. But the > victory lap > with the checkered flag was just as sweet. > > We raced one more time in the following years. I was sorry when he > left us a > couple of years ago, especially since one of his first race cars was > a TR6. > > Bob > > > > On Jun 24, 2012, at 22:02, marty sukey wrote: > >> Big thanks to all of you for your advice. I got it, hold the >> line! :) I > will >> try and put that to practice when I get my next engine together. It >> should >> actually make it easier for me to drive that way as I found myself >> concentrating too much on keeping out of other peoples way than >> proper > driving >> which I am sure did nothing for my lap times. I guess I just need >> to trust > the >> fact that you will find a way around me. I am sure that as my >> confidence > level >> grows that will be second nature. Thanks for tolerating me during my > learning >> curve. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Jody & Allen Washatko W51 N664 Highland Drive Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 617-6801 From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jun 25 12:04:06 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 13:04:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Marty... looks like you got all the verbal advice you need. I have also wanted to mention to you for a while... Since you are in Ohio (not exactly sure where), perhaps you'd like to consider coming to a Midwestern Council drivers school at Blackhawk Farms. Next one's Aug 25 and 26th You cannot beat that school for both knowledge gain and quality track time. Every possible race scenario is thrown at you and the instruction is top notch. Many of FoT's top drivers have started there. Let me know if you have interest in running ANY of our events and I will be happy to help you with anything you need. We've got a pretty good group of fellow FoT'ers out there. Some of them will actually help crew and fix your car.... for beer. Here's a link to the MCSCC website if you have any interest. http://www.mcscc.org/index.php Hope to see you out there sometime! Somehow I missed you and lost out on trying your home brew at the Mitty. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jun 25 15:53:06 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:53:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] ? Message-ID: What is the best source for synchronizers for a TR close ratio box? Sent from my iPhone From triosan at gmail.com Mon Jun 25 16:12:42 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:12:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Presume you mean synchro rings. I just ordered those "expensive ones" from Moss -- will let you know how they compare to what I have [both from a TR4 and a late TR6 box]. They run about $35 each. Othrs have them from $6-12. Hope there is a difference. The rings on the box where the syncro hub destroyed itself needed to be replace. The ones in the TR4 box I bought for parts [hub and main shaft] were different from the TR6 ones. Chuck On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:53 PM, John Hasty wrote: > What is the best source for synchronizers for a TR close ratio box? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From garygret at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 25 16:13:53 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1340662433.68204.YahooMailRC@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'd vote for John Esposito, QuantumMechanics. A couple years ago I tried Moss and TRF ones but they had distressingly little friction on the cones new out of the package. John's felt nice and have worked nice for a couple seasons where others graunched in a couple races. http://www.quantumechanics.com/index.php Gary Schneider ________________________________ From: John Hasty To: FOT Sent: Mon, June 25, 2012 4:56:38 PM Subject: [Fot] ? What is the best source for synchronizers for a TR close ratio box? From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Jun 25 16:19:09 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:19:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question Message-ID: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> I discovered a problem with the transmission I built for my TR250. This is one of the first ones I ever rebuilt and I screwed up. I've discovered it has no reverse. Reverse is activated by a lever that engages in a slot in the reverse gear on one end and it engages into the shift rod at the other end. It pivots on what looks like a stud that protrudes through the housing with a big nyloc nut on the outside. My problem is that the lever is not engaged in the slot on the gear. I think I know the answer to this question, but I thought I would ask. Is there any way to get the lever lose so I can reposition it in the gear without disassembling the transmission. Or, is there any other way to fix this without a complete disassembly? TIA Larry Young From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Mon Jun 25 17:16:07 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 17:16:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Dual Valve Springs (Update) References: <217B40DB-5333-4B3D-9AAA-6584D4274AA5@yahoo.com> Message-ID: After using the cord method to keep the valves closed as recommended by Kas, I removed one very broken inner exhaust spring and a torn up shim in number 4. I did a leak down before I started and all was good. Surprised to find rubber valve seats and bronze guides! Then I noticed a few other inner springs that were suspect and ended up pulling the head. Found that 6 of 8 inner valve springs were broken. Pulled the lifters and found pitting on 3 lifter faces. I would expect that the previous owner's engine builder did not get the rocker geometry right or put together their own spring set up with the inners being a bit too long. At this point, I am going to replace/upgrade the lifters, get rid of the Paeco cam, and put in the Isky valve springs I got from Jim Gray so that I know what I have. Thx for the help folks. Ty >> >> > From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com >> > Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 09:10:15 -0600 >> > To: fot at autox.team.net >> > Subject: [Fot] Dual Valve Springs >> > >> > I had a miss at high rpms. My distributor had a lot of wobble at the top of >> > the shaft so replaced it. Although it ran stronger at low speeds, the miss at >> > high rpms was still there. I pulled the valve cover and found the number 4 >> > inner valve spring was broken. Thanks to Jim Gray (again) for suggesting I >> > check this. >> > >> > I am wondering what may have caused this. I am also wondering if I should >> > pull the head to see if it caused any damage but since it ran very smooth at >> > low rpms, I am thinking I was just getting some valve float at high rpms. >> > >> > I am going to replace all the springs at this point to make sure. I think I >> > can raise the piston to TDC for each cylinder, and use the valve spring >> > compressor for on head removal. Have others done spring replacements this way >> > or should I just pull the head? >> > >> > Finally, what springs do folks use? In searching the web, it seems rare to >> > see a valve spring break, but I have not heard what experiences other FOT >> > users have had. I have a Paeco 6600 rpm cam, titanium retainers, and chrome >> > moly push rods as well as a rebuilt rocker assembly, but those roller rockers >> > sure do look nice! >> > >> > Thanks in advance for your helpful advice and Happy Fathers Day to all the >> > dads out there. >> > >> > Ty >> > >> > >> > Sent from my iPad >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jun 25 17:16:47 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:16:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> References: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> Message-ID: Larry, I think you may be able to fix it by just taking of the top cover off. Speaking of the Gt6 box: I have fixed both of those problems with the trans in the car. The side stud definitely... One time, that side stud you speak of with the nyloc nut, just fell out during a race. I drove home and stole one out of my dad's trans, replaced it, refilled the fluid... and raced the next day. A good flashlight, tiny hands and lots of patience are needed but it can be done... As far as the lever at the top, that should also just be a matter of everything being lined up as you slide the top cover down into alignment over the gear. (there is only one spot it (the lever guided by a dowel pin) should be and you have to be very careful upon lowering it into place) Pretty sure you should be able to do it without taking anything out of the car but... Caution: not sure if all mentioned systems are the same with the 250...but yes on the GT6. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Larry Young wrote: > I discovered a problem with the transmission I built for my TR250. This > is one of the first ones I ever rebuilt and I screwed up. I've discovered > it has no reverse. Reverse is activated by a lever that engages in a slot > in the reverse gear on one end and it engages into the shift rod at the > other end. It pivots on what looks like a stud that protrudes through the > housing with a big nyloc nut on the outside. My problem is that the lever > is not engaged in the slot on the gear. I think I know the answer to this > question, but I thought I would ask. Is there any way to get the lever > lose so I can reposition it in the gear without disassembling the > transmission. Or, is there any other way to fix this without a complete > disassembly? TIA > Larry Young > ______________________________**_________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/fot/jason@** > multivintage.com From cartravel at pobox.com Mon Jun 25 17:30:27 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:30:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: References: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4FE8F493.70005@pobox.com> My problem is not with the main shaft but with the little idler gear on the small reverse shaft. I need to get it positioned so it engages the lever. If you go to the online manual http://www.vtr.org/maintain/TransRebuild/TRTrans02.pdf and look at the late model transmission blow up. The lever I'm talking about is labeled #63. The bottom of that lever needs to engage in the slot on the reverse idler gear, #68. I remember these are always getting miss located during a rebuild and you need to wire it in place. I probably didn't know that when I built this one. There must be a clever way to fix this without a complete tear down. Larry On 6/25/2012 5:38 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley wrote: > Larry, > Having done the getting small reverse in front of the large one on > the mainshaft several times in my recent rebuilt practice I can report > that I have been able to get it lined up such that I could move it > back to where it belongs without having to disassemble [I think -- > hope that was with rear bearing in]. > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Larry Young > wrote: > > I discovered a problem with the transmission I built for my TR250. > This is one of the first ones I ever rebuilt and I screwed up. > I've discovered it has no reverse. Reverse is activated by a > lever that engages in a slot in the reverse gear on one end and it > engages into the shift rod at the other end. It pivots on what > looks like a stud that protrudes through the housing with a big > nyloc nut on the outside. My problem is that the lever is not > engaged in the slot on the gear. I think I know the answer to > this question, but I thought I would ask. Is there any way to get > the lever lose so I can reposition it in the gear without > disassembling the transmission. Or, is there any other way to fix > this without a complete disassembly? TIA > Larry Young > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > > > > -- > Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Jun 25 18:56:24 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:56:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Line question References: , <8EC6C507-1FAB-43B0-A371-2241049A0938@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Marty, a lot of good advice. Missed you Sunday, were you there? I had an 8:15 race and was done for the weekend. Had a good time: knocked 6 seconds off last year's time. Not bad! As a pal of mine says: if you can drive the car onto the trailer after your last race, it's a good weekend. Good seeing you at Mid Ohio. How's the engine thing coming? Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "marty sukey" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Line question > Big thanks to all of you for your advice. I got it, hold the line! :) I > will > try and put that to practice when I get my next engine together. It should > actually make it easier for me to drive that way as I found myself > concentrating too much on keeping out of other peoples way than proper > driving > which I am sure did nothing for my lap times. I guess I just need to trust > the > fact that you will find a way around me. I am sure that as my confidence > level > grows that will be second nature. Thanks for tolerating me during my > learning > curve. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jun 25 19:10:30 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:10:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine Message-ID: <000601cd5338$7b383e90$71a8bbb0$@com> This is just a "For What it's Worth" for those faced with replacing the wet liners. When I replaced the liners on our engine back in 2008 I had a difficult time measuring the .004 to .005 stick out above the block. Apparently I got it right because we had no problems. Shortly after finishing that job I saw an "indicator holder" that looked like it would make the job pretty simple and give accurate, repeatable results very quickly. The tool is made by Moroso, the part number is MOR-62050 and it can be seen at www.summitracing.com website. It's basically a "U" shaped bracket about 1 inch wide and 1/2 inch thick with 3 holes to mount an indicator in one of the 3 positions. It is just long enough to bridge the liner. With a 1 inch travel dial indicator mounted it was a simple matter to measure the stick out and get very repeatable results. I had zeroed the indicator on a ground bar so I had a good known zero. The bottoms of the "legs" of the "U" were milled surfaces that looked a bit rough so I polished them to a ground finish with emery and crocus cloth. The one concern I still have is that the top of our 50 year old block is not in the best of shape as far as being a "qualified surface" from which to make a measurement. The best I could do was to polish the block a little bit at the points the indicator holder sat on it. Tim From igofaster at att.net Mon Jun 25 19:26:04 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] scca Message-ID: <1340673964.34149.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> seems like the folks at SCCA thought I was experienced enough to by-pass the SCCA requirements to let me stand on my own record and incident free racing experiences... they issued me a LICENSE to race in SCCA.... now.... if I knew how to drive the GTA car I could really go out there and use it.... Bobby Whitehead From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jun 25 19:43:04 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:43:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine In-Reply-To: <000601cd5338$7b383e90$71a8bbb0$@com> References: <000601cd5338$7b383e90$71a8bbb0$@com> Message-ID: <0ad301cd533d$08b8ed60$1a2ac820$@rr.com> > It is > just long enough to bridge the liner. If it will only bridge the liner, how are you measuring to the block surface? Even if it will bridge the block side to side, it seems to me you wouldn't be checking the liner protrusion on both sides (which has proven to be a problem with my street engines). Some other thoughts: If your block surface is not flat to within .001" over short distances, you need a new block or at least a new surface. I've never had any trouble using a straight edge and feeler gauges. If you want to make it a bit easier, get a straight edge that is wide enough to stand up by itself. Hold it down with one thumb, and run a feeler gauge between it and the block deck. This is a TRactor motor, being off by .001" won't hurt. In my case, the protrusion was spot-on on one side; and nearly zero on the other side. I'm embarrassed to admit how many years it took me to figure out why I could never keep a head gasket sealed for more than a few months. -- Randall From jason at multivintage.com Mon Jun 25 19:57:08 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:57:08 +0000 Subject: [Fot] scca In-Reply-To: <1340673964.34149.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1340673964.34149.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <116865243-1340675826-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-671065733-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> Do just that, "use it" and abuse it. For me, I see it as a totally replaceble piece of machinery that I would drive at the absolute limit. I compare my driving now to my championship kart racing days... Its totally different. Now I care about my precious "irreplaceable" Triumph to much. It makes me too cautious, because I want to put it on the trailer unscathed after a race. When I raced Karts I never once thought about my kart making it back on the trailer looking good. I drove to win. Period. Drive that ugly, common, piece of sh#t to the absolute f'ing limit of adhesion. Win all your races in "GTA" and beat the snot out of it road warrior style. That's what I would do. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:26:04 To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] scca seems like the folks at SCCA thought I was experienced enough to by-pass the SCCA requirements to let me stand on my own record and incident free racing experiences... they issued me a LICENSE to race in SCCA.... now.... if I knew how to drive the GTA car I could really go out there and use it.... Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Jun 25 20:33:50 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 21:33:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine In-Reply-To: <0ad301cd533d$08b8ed60$1a2ac820$@rr.com> References: <000601cd5338$7b383e90$71a8bbb0$@com> <0ad301cd533d$08b8ed60$1a2ac820$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000401cd5344$1f609fc0$5e21df40$@com> I sent some photos to Randall showing the use of the indicator holder. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Randall [mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 8:43 PM To: 'Tim Murphy'; fot at autox.team.net Cc: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov Subject: RE: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine > It is > just long enough to bridge the liner. If it will only bridge the liner, how are you measuring to the block surface? Even if it will bridge the block side to side, it seems to me you wouldn't be checking the liner protrusion on both sides (which has proven to be a problem with my street engines). Some other thoughts: If your block surface is not flat to within .001" over short distances, you need a new block or at least a new surface. I've never had any trouble using a straight edge and feeler gauges. If you want to make it a bit easier, get a straight edge that is wide enough to stand up by itself. Hold it down with one thumb, and run a feeler gauge between it and the block deck. This is a TRactor motor, being off by .001" won't hurt. In my case, the protrusion was spot-on on one side; and nearly zero on the other side. I'm embarrassed to admit how many years it took me to figure out why I could never keep a head gasket sealed for more than a few months. -- Randall From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Mon Jun 25 23:12:53 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , , <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, , , , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> Message-ID: <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Just wondered if anyone had experienced this and might know where this oil is coming from. Oil collects on the outside lip of the valve cover at the back of the engine. I have a new cap on the valve cover and the hose exit on the side of the valve cover is plumbed to a clear jar that collects no oil at all ever. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jim From garygret at sbcglobal.net Mon Jun 25 23:39:50 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Line question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1340689190.84455.YahooMailRC@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Marty, I know you already had several replies in the same vein but I wanted to add kind of an exclamation mark. At an SCCA or MC school it is emphasized that you not only should, you MUST stay on your line when another car is overtaking or risk a black flag. You need to remain stable and predictable so the oncoming driver can get around you trusting where you'll be: he'll just set up his own line to be where you're not, quick and safe. There is a natural tendency to think it is polite to go off line to make way, but that can wreck cars. By veering off-line you become unpredictable and dangerous, forcing the passer to suddenly change his planned course and guess where you're going next. Plus by going into the marbles or pinching your line you risk spinning yourself out and getting T-boned. You make everyone's life smoother and safer by staying on-line. Regards, Gary Schneider ________________________________ From: marty sukey To: FOT Sent: Sun, June 24, 2012 9:13:53 AM Subject: [Fot] Line question Question for the masses on the proper line usage on track from a newbie. I have only been in the heat of the battle twice so far and am doing my best to keep out of your guys and gals way :). Knowing that at this point I am much slower than everybody else. During the times I am exiting a corner and I see I am holding up a much faster car (everybody) I tend to exit in a way that leaves me out of the way leaving plenty of room so I can point the following car or cars by and them maintain the racing line. While spectating this weekend I really tried to pay attention at Mid-Ohio the last two days to see how other drivers were handling it. It looked like a 50/50 deal, some drivers maintained the line and made the overtaking driver go around them at the next opportunity and some followed my strategy and kept the heck out of the way. As I go through this learning curve I want to do what is safe for the other cars out there. How about some feedback from you guys who are going to pass me. I know it is probably corner and situation dependent but in general, what would you like to see me do? In addition, if you are ever around me on track and you notice something please do not hesitate to make a recommendation, tactfully of course :) Thanks, Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net From rjohns at woh.rr.com Mon Jun 25 23:05:14 2012 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 01:05:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 67, Issue 35 References: Message-ID: <29914EBA85EE406F8B43BC190021A2BB@Bucktailus> Re: Joe Alexander and FOT Team From R. Johns Joe was right on target with his mentioning that Jean and I were probably near by. We just got back from the TRA National at Little Switzerland, N.C. It was a great meet held at the Switzerland Inn, right next to the Blue Ridge Parkway. The alternate road to the Inn, N.C. 226 A, is called the Diamondback and is suggested for Motorcycles and Sports cars. It would make a great Hill Climb. The Inn was very nice and great food. It is recommended as a good get away destination. Bob Johns From clw2000 at msn.com Tue Jun 26 04:58:18 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 06:58:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] scca In-Reply-To: <1340673964.34149.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1340673964.34149.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ah yes, the "oh crap, they gave me what I asked for" feeling......I know it well! Good luck Bobby! Chuck > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:26:04 -0700 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] scca > > seems like the folks at SCCA thought I was experienced enough to by-pass the > SCCA requirements to let me stand on my own record and incident free racing > experiences... > they issued me a LICENSE to race in SCCA.... now.... if I knew how to drive the > GTA car I could really go out there and use it.... > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Tue Jun 26 05:15:20 2012 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:15:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Need to move a car from NE Ohio to Seattle Message-ID: <3F3C624131224A1588AD93C09B11AFBA@UserTHINK> List I need to move my sonbs car from NE Ohio to Seattle WA. so that I can have more space for my TR. Anyone headed that way? I can deliver it to as far west as Chicago area if need be. JVV From tr4.tony at virgin.net Tue Jun 26 05:16:54 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 12:16:54 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net> <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com> <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com> <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com> <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com> <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com> <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim This might be due to air pressure in the valve cover, indicating that you have some has leaking upward from the head / gasket. Some pressure is normal of course and it my be just that you are not venting enough air. If you're not using a big enough catch tank or pipes this will be the result as the point of least resistance is the valve cover gasket, so it blows first. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jun 2012, at 06:12, sherry robyn wrote: > Just wondered if anyone had experienced this and might know where this oil is > coming from. Oil collects on the outside lip of the valve cover at the back > of > the engine. I have a new cap on the valve cover and the hose exit on the > side > of the valve cover is plumbed to a clear jar that collects no oil at all > ever. > Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Jun 26 07:23:07 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:23:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Message-ID: <0EB613025398438481A43501F6F24741@owner8914bbf7f> Hi All, I got home from Mid Ohio and checked the mail. There's a great article in Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car August issue about the Spitfire. Actually several articles, one of which was penned by a Mike Cook. Name sounded kind of familiar. Isn't he a FOT member?! Good job Mike. Great writeups about the Spit. Cheers, Bill From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jun 26 08:08:59 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:08:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 67, Issue 35 In-Reply-To: <29914EBA85EE406F8B43BC190021A2BB@Bucktailus> References: <29914EBA85EE406F8B43BC190021A2BB@Bucktailus> Message-ID: Yea! We used to run time distance rallies up that road and stay at the lodge back in the 60's John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Johns Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 1:05 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 67, Issue 35 Re: Joe Alexander and FOT Team From R. Johns Joe was right on target with his mentioning that Jean and I were probably near by. We just got back from the TRA National at Little Switzerland, N.C. It was a great meet held at the Switzerland Inn, right next to the Blue Ridge Parkway. The alternate road to the Inn, N.C. 226 A, is called the Diamondback and is suggested for Motorcycles and Sports cars. It would make a great Hill Climb. The Inn was very nice and great food. It is recommended as a good get away destination. Bob Johns _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jun 26 08:11:35 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:11:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4EFBEE0BE9A4435599DA27EAD9C01405@gdhs.local> If you are running a fined aloy cover, I have found that some of them are a poor casting and they leak through the walls of the cover...... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sherry robyn Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 1:13 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover Just wondered if anyone had experienced this and might know where this oil is coming from. Oil collects on the outside lip of the valve cover at the back of the engine. I have a new cap on the valve cover and the hose exit on the side of the valve cover is plumbed to a clear jar that collects no oil at all ever. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jim _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From kaskas at cox.net Tue Jun 26 08:17:31 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:17:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine In-Reply-To: <0ad301cd533d$08b8ed60$1a2ac820$@rr.com> References: <000601cd5338$7b383e90$71a8bbb0$@com>, <0ad301cd533d$08b8ed60$1a2ac820$@rr.com> Message-ID: I do not remember ever measuring a sleeve where the dimensions proud were the same on each side. Oh well. Never be beaten by equipment > From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com > To: timmurph at fastbytes.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:43:04 -0700 > CC: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov > Subject: Re: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine > > > It is > > just long enough to bridge the liner. > > If it will only bridge the liner, how are you measuring to the block > surface? > > Even if it will bridge the block side to side, it seems to me you wouldn't > be checking the liner protrusion on both sides (which has proven to be a > problem with my street engines). > > Some other thoughts: > > If your block surface is not flat to within .001" over short distances, you > need a new block or at least a new surface. > > I've never had any trouble using a straight edge and feeler gauges. If you > want to make it a bit easier, get a straight edge that is wide enough to > stand up by itself. Hold it down with one thumb, and run a feeler gauge > between it and the block deck. This is a TRactor motor, being off by .001" > won't hurt. > > In my case, the protrusion was spot-on on one side; and nearly zero on the > other side. I'm embarrassed to admit how many years it took me to figure > out why I could never keep a head gasket sealed for more than a few months. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From mlcooknj at msn.com Tue Jun 26 08:30:10 2012 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:30:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire In-Reply-To: <0EB613025398438481A43501F6F24741@owner8914bbf7f> References: <0EB613025398438481A43501F6F24741@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: Thanks Bill but I didn't actually write it! Credit goes to Mark McCourt, their Associate Editor, who came down to interview me and get pictures. Mike > From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:23:07 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire > > Hi All, > I got home from Mid Ohio and checked the mail. > There's a great article in Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car August issue about the > Spitfire. Actually several articles, one of which was penned by a Mike Cook. > Name sounded kind of familiar. Isn't he a FOT member?! > Good job Mike. > Great writeups about the Spit. > Cheers, Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue Jun 26 08:40:55 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 07:40:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> Jim, I race a 69 TR6 with a chrome valve cover and I see that oil quite a bit. My steel cover is not porous and the only place I can point to is the three seals on top of the cover. I also use a silicone gasket and know its not leaking there. I also have an auxiliary oil feed to the head, which increases oil flow under the cover. I did have a good seal once and it was using a faucet washer that I drilled out the center to fit snugly over the bolt. I'm now using the seals that came with the silicone gasket because they are easier to take off, they are 2 SS washers with seals on them, one on the bottom and one on the inside. The only other point I'd guess it's coming from is the hose where it attaches to the valve cover, but mine is a real tight seal. Good luck and it'll be interesting what theories come up. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "sherry robyn" To: Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 10:12 PM Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover > Just wondered if anyone had experienced this and might know where this oil > is > coming from. Oil collects on the outside lip of the valve cover at the > back > of > the engine. I have a new cap on the valve cover and the hose exit on the > side > of the valve cover is plumbed to a clear jar that collects no oil at all > ever. > Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jim > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jun 26 08:47:23 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:47:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: References: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4FE9CB7B.20301@pobox.com> Jason, I have taken that outer nut off, double nutted it and tried to turn the stud. I cannot get it to budge. How do you get it out? I'm not clear about how that part goes together, since that is not something I ever bother with during a rebuild. It looks like it has threads on both ends with a shoulder in the center. Unless I can get that stud out, I can only think of getting the shaft lose at the back ot the tranny and sliding it out to engage the reverse gear. That would mean taking the OD off the back or at least creating enough separation to losen the screw that locks the reverse shaft and lay shaft in position. I repeat, engagement in the top cover is easy and not my problem. Larry On 6/25/2012 6:16 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Larry, > I think you may be able to fix it by just taking of the top cover off. > Speaking of the Gt6 box: I have fixed both of those problems with the > trans in the car. The side stud definitely... One time, that side stud > you speak of with the nyloc nut, just fell out during a race. I drove > home and stole one out of my dad's trans, replaced it, refilled the > fluid... and raced the next day. A good flashlight, tiny hands and > lots of patience are needed but it can be done... From ponobill at gmail.com Tue Jun 26 09:06:09 2012 From: ponobill at gmail.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:06:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine In-Reply-To: References: <000601cd5338$7b383e90$71a8bbb0$@com>, <0ad301cd533d$08b8ed60$1a2ac820$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4AE85196-ABD0-4095-B9E9-290CA9362CF4@bnj.com> Me neither. I've never viewed that as an opportunity for precision. As long as it catches my fingernail all the way around, and not a lot more than that, I figured it's good. On Jun 26, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > I do not remember ever measuring a sleeve where the dimensions proud were the > same on each side. Oh well. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com >> To: timmurph at fastbytes.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:43:04 -0700 >> CC: ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the > TR4 engine >> >>> It is >>> just long enough to bridge the liner. >> >> If it will only bridge the liner, how are you measuring to the block >> surface? >> >> Even if it will bridge the block side to side, it seems to me you wouldn't >> be checking the liner protrusion on both sides (which has proven to be a >> problem with my street engines). >> >> Some other thoughts: >> >> If your block surface is not flat to within .001" over short distances, you >> need a new block or at least a new surface. >> >> I've never had any trouble using a straight edge and feeler gauges. If you >> want to make it a bit easier, get a straight edge that is wide enough to >> stand up by itself. Hold it down with one thumb, and run a feeler gauge >> between it and the block deck. This is a TRactor motor, being off by .001" >> won't hurt. >> >> In my case, the protrusion was spot-on on one side; and nearly zero on the >> other side. I'm embarrassed to admit how many years it took me to figure >> out why I could never keep a head gasket sealed for more than a few months. >> >> -- Randall >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/billb at bnj.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue Jun 26 09:11:47 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:11:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> Message-ID: <364E2143-B746-44CD-A5D8-9C8559E3B19C@gmail.com> Jim, You might try this type of washer, an aluminum washer with a bonded-on split O-ring. The O-ring protrudes on either side of the washer. I use these to seal up my Morgan's Moss gearbox. Hopefully the url will come through if written thus: tinyurl dot com (slash) 6qz79j9 . This is likely not the right diameter, but the website carries other ID washers. Also, might oil be wicking up the threads of the fastener? Duncan (Texas) > > > >> Just wondered if anyone had experienced this and might know where this oil is >> coming from. Oil collects on the outside lip of the valve cover at the back >> of >> the engine. I have a new cap on the valve cover and the hose exit on the >> side >> of the valve cover is plumbed to a clear jar that collects no oil at all >> ever. >> Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jim From chasgee at aol.com Tue Jun 26 09:16:46 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:16:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <4FE9CB7B.20301@pobox.com> References: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> <4FE9CB7B.20301@pobox.com> Message-ID: <3A6E572C-06F2-4608-A367-A35A27660C3B@aol.com> That stud is splined into the case. You won't be able to turn it. I think you will have to pull off the rear housing, slide the reverse gear shaft out, and make sure it goes back together with the lever properly engaged with the reverse gear. Good luck! Chuck On Jun 26, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Larry Young wrote: > Jason, I have taken that outer nut off, double nutted it and tried to turn the stud. I cannot get it to budge. How do you get it out? I'm not clear about how that part goes together, since that is not something I ever bother with during a rebuild. It looks like it has threads on both ends with a shoulder in the center. > > Unless I can get that stud out, I can only think of getting the shaft lose at the back ot the tranny and sliding it out to engage the reverse gear. That would mean taking the OD off the back or at least creating enough separation to losen the screw that locks the reverse shaft and lay shaft in position. > > I repeat, engagement in the top cover is easy and not my problem. > Larry > > On 6/25/2012 6:16 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: >> Larry, >> I think you may be able to fix it by just taking of the top cover off. >> Speaking of the Gt6 box: I have fixed both of those problems with the trans in the car. The side stud definitely... One time, that side stud you speak of with the nyloc nut, just fell out during a race. I drove home and stole one out of my dad's trans, replaced it, refilled the fluid... and raced the next day. A good flashlight, tiny hands and lots of patience are needed but it can be done... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From jason at multivintage.com Tue Jun 26 09:17:22 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:17:22 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question Message-ID: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> Got it. Top is ok, your after the lower lever Mine came out and went in as a whole piece. Kind of like a bolt. In fact I almost, in a pinch replaced it with a regular bolt but then wondered about the proper length, etc . You'll have to get that stud out. Perhaps some heat and good tight vise grips and replace the stud once you get it out. As you say, I can't see you getting the movement you need without extracting the stud. Being threaded inside the shaft and the side of the case (I can't remember exactly, but believe it may step down in thread size slipping through the case) but threading into the rod. I could see it being really stuck but she'll come out. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Larry Young To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission Question Sent: Jun 26, 2012 9:47 AM Jason, I have taken that outer nut off, double nutted it and tried to turn the stud. I cannot get it to budge. How do you get it out? I'm not clear about how that part goes together, since that is not something I ever bother with during a rebuild. It looks like it has threads on both ends with a shoulder in the center. Unless I can get that stud out, I can only think of getting the shaft lose at the back ot the tranny and sliding it out to engage the reverse gear. That would mean taking the OD off the back or at least creating enough separation to losen the screw that locks the reverse shaft and lay shaft in position. I repeat, engagement in the top cover is easy and not my problem. Larry On 6/25/2012 6:16 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Larry, > I think you may be able to fix it by just taking of the top cover off. > Speaking of the Gt6 box: I have fixed both of those problems with the > trans in the car. The side stud definitely... One time, that side stud > you speak of with the nyloc nut, just fell out during a race. I drove > home and stole one out of my dad's trans, replaced it, refilled the > fluid... and raced the next day. A good flashlight, tiny hands and > lots of patience are needed but it can be done... > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From jason at multivintage.com Tue Jun 26 09:26:50 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:26:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <3A6E572C-06F2-4608-A367-A35A27660C3B@aol.com> References: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> <4FE9CB7B.20301@pobox.com> <3A6E572C-06F2-4608-A367-A35A27660C3B@aol.com> Message-ID: <1800409692-1340724410-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1623669863-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> Well, interesting, Chuck says it doesn't come out. Perhaps, mine is different? I've removed it from more than one and replaced it to work o.k. Maybe messing with another spare unit will give you more helpful clues Good luck from me to. I'd like to know what you find in the end. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: chasgee at aol.com Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:16:46 To: Larry Young Cc: Jason Ostrowski; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission Question That stud is splined into the case. You won't be able to turn it. I think you will have to pull off the rear housing, slide the reverse gear shaft out, and make sure it goes back together with the lever properly engaged with the reverse gear. Good luck! Chuck On Jun 26, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Larry Young wrote: > Jason, I have taken that outer nut off, double nutted it and tried to turn the stud. I cannot get it to budge. How do you get it out? I'm not clear about how that part goes together, since that is not something I ever bother with during a rebuild. It looks like it has threads on both ends with a shoulder in the center. > > Unless I can get that stud out, I can only think of getting the shaft lose at the back ot the tranny and sliding it out to engage the reverse gear. That would mean taking the OD off the back or at least creating enough separation to losen the screw that locks the reverse shaft and lay shaft in position. > > I repeat, engagement in the top cover is easy and not my problem. > Larry > > On 6/25/2012 6:16 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: >> Larry, >> I think you may be able to fix it by just taking of the top cover off. >> Speaking of the Gt6 box: I have fixed both of those problems with the trans in the car. The side stud definitely... One time, that side stud you speak of with the nyloc nut, just fell out during a race. I drove home and stole one out of my dad's trans, replaced it, refilled the fluid... and raced the next day. A good flashlight, tiny hands and lots of patience are needed but it can be done... > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Jun 26 09:29:09 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:29:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Measuring the liner "stick out" above the block on the TR4 engine In-Reply-To: <000401cd5344$1f609fc0$5e21df40$@com> References: <000601cd5338$7b383e90$71a8bbb0$@com><0ad301cd533d$08b8ed60$1a2ac820$@rr.com> <000401cd5344$1f609fc0$5e21df40$@com> Message-ID: <077c01cd53b0$6eb270f0$0601a8c0@randall> > I sent some photos to Randall showing the use of the indicator holder. Thanks, Tim. What Tim's photos show (and I stupidly didn't understand) is that the legs of the holder can rest on the block surface on either side, while the indicator mounted in one of the side holes (near one of the legs of the holder) rests on top of the liner next to the side. By reversing the bracket, the indicator measures the other side of the liner. I was thinking in terms of the holder I have, which is only tapped for the indicator in the center and will only (about) reach from side to side of the liner, not out to the block deck. (It was cheap at a yard sale, I only bought it for the indicator.) -- Randall From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Jun 26 09:47:25 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> References: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <8CF21CA1DCCD28C-CF8-19212@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> I missed the original post. Is the issue with the reverse lever pivot pin? If so, the stud is pressed in, the outer locknut comes off, whack, the assembly comes out from the inside. Glen -----Original Message----- From: jason To: Larry Young Cc: FOT Sent: Tue, Jun 26, 2012 11:30 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission Question Got it. Top is ok, your after the lower lever Mine came out and went in as a whole piece. Kind of like a bolt. In fact I almost, in a pinch replaced it with a regular bolt but then wondered about the proper length, etc . You'll have to get that stud out. Perhaps some heat and good tight vise grips and replace the stud once you get it out. As you say, I can't see you getting the movement you need without extracting the stud. Being threaded inside the shaft and the side of the case (I can't remember exactly, but believe it may step down in thread size slipping through the case) but threading into the rod. I could see it being really stuck but she'll come out. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing ------Original Message------ From: Larry Young To: Jason Ostrowski Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission Question Sent: Jun 26, 2012 9:47 AM Jason, I have taken that outer nut off, double nutted it and tried to turn the stud. I cannot get it to budge. How do you get it out? I'm not clear about how that part goes together, since that is not something I ever bother with during a rebuild. It looks like it has threads on both ends with a shoulder in the center. Unless I can get that stud out, I can only think of getting the shaft lose at the back ot the tranny and sliding it out to engage the reverse gear. That would mean taking the OD off the back or at least creating enough separation to losen the screw that locks the reverse shaft and lay shaft in position. I repeat, engagement in the top cover is easy and not my problem. Larry On 6/25/2012 6:16 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Larry, > I think you may be able to fix it by just taking of the top cover off. > Speaking of the Gt6 box: I have fixed both of those problems with the > trans in the car. The side stud definitely... One time, that side stud > you speak of with the nyloc nut, just fell out during a race. I drove > home and stole one out of my dad's trans, replaced it, refilled the > fluid... and raced the next day. A good flashlight, tiny hands and > lots of patience are needed but it can be done... > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fubog1 at aol.com From chasgee at aol.com Tue Jun 26 09:58:36 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 08:58:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> References: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <19DD41FD-224A-4F44-8E07-EE959827DBAF@aol.com> The TR4/6 and the GT6/Spitfire/4 speed Tr7 boxes are different. The lever is threaded onto the shaft on the TR box and you have to hammer it into the box to remove it. It isn't that hard to take the rear housing off. You can fix it in about 30 minutes. On Jun 26, 2012, at 8:17 AM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > Got it. Top is ok, your after the lower lever > Mine came out and went in as a whole piece. Kind of like a bolt. In fact I almost, in a pinch replaced it with a regular bolt but then wondered about the proper length, etc . > You'll have to get that stud out. > Perhaps some heat and good tight vise grips and replace the stud once you get it out. > As you say, I can't see you getting the movement you need without extracting the stud. Being threaded inside the shaft and the side of the case (I can't remember exactly, but believe it may step down in thread size slipping through the case) but threading into the rod. > I could see it being really stuck but she'll come out. > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > > ------Original Message------ > From: Larry Young > To: Jason Ostrowski > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission Question > Sent: Jun 26, 2012 9:47 AM > > Jason, I have taken that outer nut off, double nutted it and tried to > turn the stud. I cannot get it to budge. How do you get it out? I'm > not clear about how that part goes together, since that is not something > I ever bother with during a rebuild. It looks like it has threads on > both ends with a shoulder in the center. > > Unless I can get that stud out, I can only think of getting the shaft > lose at the back ot the tranny and sliding it out to engage the reverse > gear. That would mean taking the OD off the back or at least creating > enough separation to losen the screw that locks the reverse shaft and > lay shaft in position. > > I repeat, engagement in the top cover is easy and not my problem. > Larry > > On 6/25/2012 6:16 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: >> Larry, >> I think you may be able to fix it by just taking of the top cover off. >> Speaking of the Gt6 box: I have fixed both of those problems with the >> trans in the car. The side stud definitely... One time, that side stud >> you speak of with the nyloc nut, just fell out during a race. I drove >> home and stole one out of my dad's trans, replaced it, refilled the >> fluid... and raced the next day. A good flashlight, tiny hands and >> lots of patience are needed but it can be done... >> > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Jun 26 11:55:38 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 10:55:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <8CF21CA1DCCD28C-CF8-19212@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> References: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CF21CA1DCCD28C-CF8-19212@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001cd53c4$e5c94240$b15bc6c0$@rr.com> > Is the issue with the reverse lever pivot pin? > If so, the stud is pressed in, the outer locknut comes off, whack, the > assembly comes out from the inside. The original question was basically "Can that be done without removing the reverse gear and shaft?" I think the answer is "no", but I'm not certain, never tried it myself. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever removed the lever at all. -- Randall From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jun 26 12:12:11 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:12:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <3A6E572C-06F2-4608-A367-A35A27660C3B@aol.com> References: <4FE8E3DD.1080400@pobox.com> <4FE9CB7B.20301@pobox.com> <3A6E572C-06F2-4608-A367-A35A27660C3B@aol.com> Message-ID: <4FE9FB7B.3080500@pobox.com> Yeah, I played around with a spare transmission and found I could tap that stud into the box, but it won't come all the way out unless the main shaft is out of the car. I agree with Chuck and several others, the only way is to get the reverse idler shaft lose so I can slide the gear off, then put it back on with it engaged in the lever. Stupid mistake, which I am paying for. Should be an easy fix after the tranny is out, but I absolutely hate mounting the overdrive on the back. On 6/26/2012 10:16 AM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > That stud is splined into the case. You won't be able to turn it. I think you will have to pull off the rear housing, slide the reverse gear shaft out, and make sure it goes back together with the lever properly engaged with the reverse gear. > > Good luck! > > Chuck > > O From jason at multivintage.com Tue Jun 26 14:09:50 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:09:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Blackhawk Classic Race recap (delayed) Message-ID: Midwestern Fot'ers braved the intense sun and blistering heat at the 20th running of the "Blackhawk Classic" Socially, it was a great time as 3 generations of Triumph lovers gathered around campfires and grills. A fun group of kids (3 years- teenagers) pal around rooting for their Dad's. The Alexander's celebrated a Triumphant 20 year anniversary of racing together as a family. Joe Alexander was a very proud Papa as he was presented with a beautiful plaque at a family dinner commemorating 20 years of awesomeness that has snowballed into a quite nice family business. Congratulations A.R.E. on 20 years! Here's to another 20! Group 2 action was pretty fierce as the buzz of some half dozen terrifyingly fast bug eyes filled the grid ahead of our guys. Some very fast cars tiny cars were out there! Tony's video shows that the guys at the front meant business. There was never a dull moment from the spectators point of view as there was great racing going on all the way back to the final position. I got real nervous for Wismer in his choice Talisman as a BRG MGB went wide coming out of turn 5 and slid through the grass right next to Bob totally on the edge... any steering twitch (from the MGB) would have been disastrous for the beady eyed racer... a little too close for comfort. Scott Barr was a bit off his usual pace but was out there mid-pack with a motor he finished putting together just prior to leaving for the track. Tom Strange was seen tweaking Valves and Springs and fine tuning the new set-up several times throughout the weekend. Sean Alexander had one of his first off track excursions in many years. Apparently getting a little crazy in turn 1 having a good ride through the grass leaving some creative tire management options as they headed to the grid "the lone Triumph" for the Enduro. With help from brother Mark at the wheel, they completed more laps during the weekend than any other Triumph in their well worked #197. In spite of his spin in turn 7, the new orange TR3 driven by Andrew Williams looks solid and has real promise to become a contender in our ranks. Looking Good! Red Wire wheels-a-rollin...Ken Suhre was back in the saddle, driving a real classic vintage looking 1961 TR4. The beady eyed guys hung out towards the back, making no excuses, as usual having fun and hauling mail in their 2 beautiful and legitimately "period correct" prepped cars. John Holton was back there as well, but intermittently and short on laps. His car is a real treat for the eyes... a double bubble topped Triumph powered Kellison (REALLY neat car)...but suffering on the mechanical end on this Father's day. The Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+, alone in group 8 was dealing with Alfas, Datsuns and of note had an epic battle with a rather Gigantic Boss Mustang. I was back and forth with this guy a couple times per lap... able to out break him into all of the fast corners as he was passing me on the end of the straights. I had him hounding me all the way around the track. Against my better judgement I looked past the smoke coming from the rear for the first two laps of the sprint race on Saturday. The smoke stopped on the end of the second lap. I kept pressing on kind of knowing it was not going to end well. I just couldn't get myself to pull in as I saw people in turn 1 raising their fists and cheering as my little car pounded a ground pounder. I have to say it was probably the most fun 8 laps I have had yet... at no small cost my weekend ended with 1 lap to go... a day early. DNF and broken rather significantly, the destroyed and terribly stinky rear end obnoxiously fogged our pit area for the rest of the evening. Safe to say good time was had by all. Our Triumph cars and driver's sorted on weekend's best Time 1. Tony Drews TR4 1:28.255 2. Jason Ostrowski GT6+ 1:28.332 3. Sean/Mark Alexander TR4A 1:29.410 4. Scott Barr Spitfire 1:33.367 5. Andrew Williams TR3A 1:33.883 6. Kenneth Suhre TR4 1:40..904 7. Bill Dentinger TR3A 1:44.625 8. Bob Wismer Talisman 1:45.129 9. John Houlton Kellison 1:54.000 Race report respectfully submitted by Jason Ostrowski, Friendly Ghost Racing From mark at bradakis.com Tue Jun 26 14:13:44 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:13:44 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> Message-ID: <4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> There is a Honda Goldwing valve cover seal that is a perfect fit for the stock TR valve covers, I know I have the part number written down somewhere. I am fairly certain that Ted S. also sells them. This is one area where too many people think that if a little is good, more is better. I've seen a LOT of distorted valve covers due to overtightening. mjb. From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jun 26 18:04:16 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:04:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <000001cd53c4$e5c94240$b15bc6c0$@rr.com> References: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CF21CA1DCCD28C-CF8-19212@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd53c4$e5c94240$b15bc6c0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4FEA4E00.2060004@pobox.com> Yes, I played around with a spare transmission. The stud can be moved a bit, both the reverse idler gear and the reverse gear on the main shaft prevent it from coming all the way out. I'm always hoping for an easy way out. As it turned out, two of my Triumph buddies, John Phillips and Sam Clark, came over and helped me out of this dilemma. It didn't really take as long as you would think. We pulled the transmission and OD. Pulled the OD off the back. Removed the adapter plate. Removed the small metal plate that locks the counter shaft and reverse shaft in position. Slid the reverse shaft back until the gear was lose. Used a magnet to work the gear into the lever and align it with the reverse shaft. Slid the shaft back in. Reattached the locking plate. Bolted the OD back on and stuck it back into the car. In the OD repair manual at vtr.org, Sam and I suggested mounting the OD and transmission when in a vertical position. This keeps the two splines from becoming misaligned. We used that method today and it worked beautifully. Mounted the OD vertically with the rear flange on a piece of wood. Dropped the transmission into it and tightened it down without a hitch. The worst problem we had was getting the tranny/OD back into the car. That took a couple of hours of jacking around. But eventually, the transmission relented. This car is the TR250 I've had since it was new. It served as the get away car for my wedding in 1970 and Tom's (my oldest sons) wedding in 2008. We are trying to get it restored (or at least semi-restored) for my other son (Matt's) wedding in a couple of weeks in Milwaukee. I thought this problem had blown us out of the water, but with the help of my Triumph friends, I think we still have a good chance of having it there. Thanks, Larry Young On 6/26/2012 12:55 PM, Randall wrote: > The original question was basically "Can that be done without removing the > reverse gear and shaft?" > > I think the answer is "no", but I'm not certain, never tried it myself. In > fact, I'm not sure I've ever removed the lever at all. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________'s > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Jun 27 10:07:12 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <1964411549.1352256.1340813154977.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hey FoT, I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local shops about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three inquiries all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I bring the car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I was the one that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet and just don't know it. Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. Jim G. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jun 27 10:33:05 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 18:33:05 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1964411549.1352256.1340813154977.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <004601cd5482$8827be00$98773a00$@com> I really don't care about this issue. New brake shoes don't fit either and I need them badly because I do most of the braking on the rear brakes. But the rear brakes seem to do well anyway, so I don't bother with reaching the shoes. I install them and here we go. Look how black my rear wheels are: http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/579965_10151484114780715_1140 715849_n.jpg Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von toodamnfunky at comcast.net Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. Juni 2012 18:07 An: fot Betreff: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching Hey FoT, I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local shops about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three inquiries all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I bring the car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I was the one that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet and just don't know it. Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Wed Jun 27 10:37:18 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:37:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Good luck with that. I haven't seen one of those tools in 40 years! I used one of these in a shop when we would actually reline shoes with material which was very thick and you would radius the shoes on the machine which was basically a sanding wheel. The normal cut on a drum would be about 010 to 020 and the new shoes should bed in okay. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:07 AM To: fot Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching Hey FoT, I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local shops about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three inquiries all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I bring the car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I was the one that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet and just don't know it. Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jun 27 12:01:40 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 14:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question In-Reply-To: <4FEA4E00.2060004@pobox.com> References: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CF21CA1DCCD28C-CF8-19212@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd53c4$e5c94240$b15bc6c0$@rr.com> <4FEA4E00.2060004@pobox.com> Message-ID: <8CF22A609B3BE2E-2AF4-21E07@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> The TR3A has been used for sons weddings and my own. Make it a bit more special. Larry, if you come up I-35, you can roll on up to four lane highway 20 and swing into Jesup, then make a quick stop at the FIELD OF DREAMS. Then it is a quick trip on four lane 151 going to Milwaukee. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young To: fot Cc: Rob Trippet ; John Phillips ; Tom Young Sent: Tue, Jun 26, 2012 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission Question Yes, I played around with a spare transmission. The stud can be moved a bit, both the reverse idler gear and the reverse gear on the main shaft prevent it from coming all the way out. I'm always hoping for an easy way out. As it turned out, two of my Triumph buddies, John Phillips and Sam Clark, came over and helped me out of this dilemma. It didn't really take as long as you would think. We pulled the transmission and OD. Pulled the OD off the back. Removed the adapter plate. Removed the small metal plate that locks the counter shaft and reverse shaft in position. Slid the reverse shaft back until the gear was lose. Used a magnet to work the gear into the lever and align it with the reverse shaft. Slid the shaft back in. Reattached the locking plate. Bolted the OD back on and stuck it back into the car. In the OD repair manual at vtr.org, Sam and I suggested mounting the OD and transmission when in a vertical position. This keeps the two splines from becoming misaligned. We used that method today and it worked beautifully. Mounted the OD vertically with the rear flange on a piece of wood. Dropped the transmission into it and tightened it down without a hitch. The worst problem we had was getting the tranny/OD back into the car. That took a couple of hours of jacking around. But eventually, the transmission relented. This car is the TR250 I've had since it was new. It served as the get away car for my wedding in 1970 and Tom's (my oldest sons) wedding in 2008. We are trying to get it restored (or at least semi-restored) for my other son (Matt's) wedding in a couple of weeks in Milwaukee. I thought this problem had blown us out of the water, but with the help of my Triumph friends, I think we still have a good chance of having it there. Thanks, Larry Young On 6/26/2012 12:55 PM, Randall wrote: > The original question was basically "Can that be done without removing the > reverse gear and shaft?" > > I think the answer is "no", but I'm not certain, never tried it myself. In > fact, I'm not sure I've ever removed the lever at all. > > -- Randall > _______________________________________________'s > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Wed Jun 27 13:21:14 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:21:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching References: Message-ID: One of the machines used was an AMMCO Safe Arc Brake shoe grinder. I just happen to have one in my garage. Only problem is that I'm missing a couple of adapters. I've played around with it, but can't seem to get the process right. The shoe gets clamped in a fixture and is moved toward a spinning sanding drum to take off lining material. The lining is supposed to be ground to match the drum. In the late '60's when I was working for a Pontiac garage, we would punch out the old lining rivets, and install new lining and rivet them on with an old foot-operated press punch setup. Worked OK. A friend still has a rivet tool; he re-lines clutches and such on his old tractors. Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Yott" To: ; "'fot'" Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching > Good luck with that. I haven't seen one of those tools in 40 years! I > used > one of these in a shop when we would actually reline shoes with material > which was very thick and you would radius the shoes on the machine which > was > basically a sanding wheel. The normal cut on a drum would be about 010 to > 020 and the new shoes should bed in okay. > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:07 AM > To: fot > Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching > > Hey FoT, > > I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local > shops > > about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three > inquiries > > all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I > bring > the > > car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I > was > the one > > that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet > and just > > don't know it. > > Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. > > Jim G. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From peter at nosimport.com Wed Jun 27 14:24:14 2012 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:24:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: References: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20120627202419.A548DF44079@mx2.netinteraction.com> www.brakeplace.com in Minneapolis is quite adept. Click on their "machine shop" tab. Peter C === At 11:37 AM 6/27/2012, Steve Yott wrote: >Good luck with that. I haven't seen one of those tools in 40 years! I used >one of these in a shop when we would actually reline shoes with material >which was very thick and you would radius the shoes on the machine which was >basically a sanding wheel. The normal cut on a drum would be about 010 to >020 and the new shoes should bed in okay. > >Steve Yott > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net >Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:07 AM >To: fot >Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching > >Hey FoT, > >I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local shops > >about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three >inquiries > >all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I bring >the > >car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I was >the one > >that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet >and just > >don't know it. > >Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. > >Jim G. From tr4 at wi.rr.com Wed Jun 27 16:35:29 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:35:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <20120627202419.A548DF44079@mx2.netinteraction.com> Message-ID: <8B.90.21135.3BA8BEF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> A dying breed! I looked up machines in EBay and there are about 4 of them for sale! Steve -----Original Message----- From: Peter Caldwell [mailto:peter at nosimport.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:24 PM To: tr4 at wi.rr.com; toodamnfunky at comcast.net; 'fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching www.brakeplace.com in Minneapolis is quite adept. Click on their "machine shop" tab. Peter C === At 11:37 AM 6/27/2012, Steve Yott wrote: >Good luck with that. I haven't seen one of those tools in 40 years! I >used one of these in a shop when we would actually reline shoes with >material which was very thick and you would radius the shoes on the >machine which was basically a sanding wheel. The normal cut on a drum >would be about 010 to 020 and the new shoes should bed in okay. > >Steve Yott > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net >Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:07 AM >To: fot >Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching > >Hey FoT, > >I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local >shops > >about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three >inquiries > >all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I >bring the > >car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought >I was the one > >that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another >planet and just > >don't know it. > >Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. > >Jim G. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Jun 27 16:57:25 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 22:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <8B.90.21135.3BA8BEF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <1165978716.1369893.1340837845367.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I think I will just let it go as most, if not all seem to do. I'll just let them wear naturally until they conform. Thanks for all the input, as always, jim g. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Yott" To: "Peter Caldwell" , toodamnfunky at comcast.net, "fot" Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:35:29 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching A dying breed! B I looked up machines in EBay and there are about 4 of them for sale! Steve -----Original Message----- From: Peter Caldwell [mailto:peter at nosimport.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:24 PM To: tr4 at wi.rr.com; toodamnfunky at comcast.net; 'fot' Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching www.brakeplace.com in Minneapolis is quite adept. B Click on their "machine shop" tab. B B B B B Peter C === At 11:37 AM 6/27/2012, Steve Yott wrote: >Good luck with that. B I haven't seen one of those tools in 40 years! B I >used one of these in a shop when we would actually reline shoes with >material which was very thick and you would radius the shoes on the >machine which was basically a sanding wheel. B The normal cut on a drum >would be about 010 to 020 and the new shoes should bed in okay. > >Steve Yott > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of toodamnfunky at comcast.net >Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:07 AM >To: fot >Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching > >Hey FoT, > >I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local >shops > >about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three >inquiries > >all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I >bring the > >car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought >I was the one > >that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another >planet and just > >don't know it. > >Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. > >Jim G. From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Wed Jun 27 22:44:49 2012 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 21:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1964411549.1352256.1340813154977.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1340858689.57797.YahooMailNeo@web46111.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Jim; Otts Friction Supply in Portland Oregon arches the shoes as a matter of course. I had them reline my 10" rear shoes and the arched them to the drums. They do top fuel clutches and giant brakes for fishing boats and large anchor stops. Mike ________________________________ From: "toodamnfunky at comcast.net" To: fot Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching Hey FoT, I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local shops about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three inquiries all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I bring the car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I was the one that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet and just don't know it. Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. Jim G. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mike.mehl at yahoo.com From fubog1 at aol.com Thu Jun 28 06:45:54 2012 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 08:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] paging Bob Davis spring info Message-ID: <8CF234317799DAA-CF8-241CD@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> sorry to bomb the list Bob- V657 GT-6 Competition spring (source BL special tuning data bulletin JAN78) HTH Glen From cartravel at pobox.com Thu Jun 28 17:25:25 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 18:25:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question - more In-Reply-To: <4FEA4E00.2060004@pobox.com> References: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CF21CA1DCCD28C-CF8-19212@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd53c4$e5c94240$b15bc6c0$@rr.com> <4FEA4E00.2060004@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4FECE7E5.6080402@pobox.com> And then there is the rest of the story. We checked this thing out manually, before stuffing it back in the car. I checked it out on jack stands and it shifted through all the gears, including reverse. I backed it out of my garage and drove it onto the trailer to take it back to the body shop for some panel alignment. Then there was no longer any reverse. I haven't pulled the top cover off yet, but am willing to bet the gear is no longer engaged in the shifter lever. Has anyone else had this problem? How did you fix it? Having tried to figure an easy way to get it reengaged, I can't imagine how it got out. This should be a very interesting problem, but not one that I really wanted right now. My only thought is that there is a chunk out of the side of the gear, but I can't believe we would not have noticed that. Larry On 6/26/2012 7:04 PM, Larry Young wrote: > Yes, I played around with a spare transmission. The stud can be moved > a bit, both the reverse idler gear and the reverse gear on the main > shaft prevent it from coming all the way out. I'm always hoping for > an easy way out. > > As it turned out, two of my Triumph buddies, John Phillips and Sam > Clark, came over and helped me out of this dilemma. It didn't really > take as long as you would think. We pulled the transmission and OD. > Pulled the OD off the back. Removed the adapter plate. Removed the > small metal plate that locks the counter shaft and reverse shaft in > position. Slid the reverse shaft back until the gear was lose. Used > a magnet to work the gear into the lever and align it with the reverse > shaft. Slid the shaft back in. Reattached the locking plate. > Bolted the OD back on and stuck it back into the car. > > In the OD repair manual at vtr.org, Sam and I suggested mounting the > OD and transmission when in a vertical position. This keeps the two > splines from becoming misaligned. We used that method today and it > worked beautifully. Mounted the OD vertically with the rear flange on > a piece of wood. Dropped the transmission into it and tightened it > down without a hitch. The worst problem we had was getting the > tranny/OD back into the car. That took a couple of hours of jacking > around. But eventually, the transmission relented. > > This car is the TR250 I've had since it was new. It served as the get > away car for my wedding in 1970 and Tom's (my oldest sons) wedding in > 2008. We are trying to get it restored (or at least semi-restored) > for my other son (Matt's) wedding in a couple of weeks in Milwaukee. I > thought this problem had blown us out of the water, but with the help > of my Triumph friends, I think we still have a good chance of having > it there. > > Thanks, > Larry Young > > On 6/26/2012 12:55 PM, Randall wrote: >> The original question was basically "Can that be done without >> removing the >> reverse gear and shaft?" >> >> I think the answer is "no", but I'm not certain, never tried it >> myself. In >> fact, I'm not sure I've ever removed the lever at all. >> >> -- Randall >> _______________________________________________'s >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Thu Jun 28 20:19:28 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:19:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question - more In-Reply-To: <4FECE7E5.6080402@pobox.com> Message-ID: <7F.BD.02978.2B01DEF4@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Larry, After having a number of these boxes apart my bet is that the lever arm for the reverse gear has been screwed in too far. This is the adjustment for how far the pins on the ends of the arm engage both the gear and the operating lever in the top cover. If the stud that this arm screws onto was removed from the case then it must be readjusted during assembly while the stud is pulled back into the case with the securing nut. The spline on the stud stops it from turning when installed but the threads on the stud and the arm are what adjust the distance the lever fits into the gear. Hard to explain but if you had this apart I think you will understand the concept. A rotten two hour job!!! Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Transmission Question - more And then there is the rest of the story. We checked this thing out manually, before stuffing it back in the car. I checked it out on jack stands and it shifted through all the gears, including reverse. I backed it out of my garage and drove it onto the trailer to take it back to the body shop for some panel alignment. Then there was no longer any reverse. I haven't pulled the top cover off yet, but am willing to bet the gear is no longer engaged in the shifter lever. Has anyone else had this problem? How did you fix it? Having tried to figure an easy way to get it reengaged, I can't imagine how it got out. This should be a very interesting problem, but not one that I really wanted right now. My only thought is that there is a chunk out of the side of the gear, but I can't believe we would not have noticed that. Larry On 6/26/2012 7:04 PM, Larry Young wrote: > Yes, I played around with a spare transmission. The stud can be moved > a bit, both the reverse idler gear and the reverse gear on the main > shaft prevent it from coming all the way out. I'm always hoping for > an easy way out. > > As it turned out, two of my Triumph buddies, John Phillips and Sam > Clark, came over and helped me out of this dilemma. It didn't really > take as long as you would think. We pulled the transmission and OD. > Pulled the OD off the back. Removed the adapter plate. Removed the > small metal plate that locks the counter shaft and reverse shaft in > position. Slid the reverse shaft back until the gear was lose. Used > a magnet to work the gear into the lever and align it with the reverse > shaft. Slid the shaft back in. Reattached the locking plate. > Bolted the OD back on and stuck it back into the car. > > In the OD repair manual at vtr.org, Sam and I suggested mounting the > OD and transmission when in a vertical position. This keeps the two > splines from becoming misaligned. We used that method today and it > worked beautifully. Mounted the OD vertically with the rear flange on > a piece of wood. Dropped the transmission into it and tightened it > down without a hitch. The worst problem we had was getting the > tranny/OD back into the car. That took a couple of hours of jacking > around. But eventually, the transmission relented. > > This car is the TR250 I've had since it was new. It served as the get > away car for my wedding in 1970 and Tom's (my oldest sons) wedding in > 2008. We are trying to get it restored (or at least semi-restored) > for my other son (Matt's) wedding in a couple of weeks in Milwaukee. I > thought this problem had blown us out of the water, but with the help > of my Triumph friends, I think we still have a good chance of having > it there. > > Thanks, > Larry Young > > On 6/26/2012 12:55 PM, Randall wrote: >> The original question was basically "Can that be done without >> removing the reverse gear and shaft?" >> >> I think the answer is "no", but I'm not certain, never tried it >> myself. In fact, I'm not sure I've ever removed the lever at all. >> >> -- Randall >> _______________________________________________'s >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 28 20:34:28 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:34:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Transmission Question - more In-Reply-To: <4FECE7E5.6080402@pobox.com> References: <1236236296-1340723843-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2103436145-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CF21CA1DCCD28C-CF8-19212@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com> <000001cd53c4$e5c94240$b15bc6c0$@rr.com> <4FEA4E00.2060004@pobox.com> <4FECE7E5.6080402@pobox.com> Message-ID: <4FED1434.3000208@bradakis.com> I wonder if the pivot bolt is too far into the case, leaving too little engagement between the pin on the lever and the slot on the gear? mjb. From igofaster at att.net Thu Jun 28 21:22:36 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 20:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] scca In-Reply-To: <116865243-1340675826-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-671065733-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> References: <1340673964.34149.YahooMailRC@web180812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <116865243-1340675826-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-671065733-@b5.c3.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <1340940156.45209.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I'm not giving up on racing the GT6.. hopefully this fall..... Bobby ________________________________ From: "jason at multivintage.com" To: Bobby Whitehead ; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; FoT Triumph Sent: Mon, June 25, 2012 8:57:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] scca Do just that, "use it" and abuse it. For me, I see it as a totally replaceble piece of machinery that I would drive at the absolute limit. I compare my driving now to my championship kart racing days... Its totally different. Now I care about my precious "irreplaceable" Triumph to much. It makes me too cautious, because I want to put it on the trailer unscathed after a race. When I raced Karts I never once thought about my kart making it back on the trailer looking good. I drove to win. Period. Drive that ugly, common, piece of sh#t to the absolute f'ing limit of adhesion. Win all your races in "GTA" and beat the snot out of it road warrior style. That's what I would do. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 18:26:04 To: FoT Triumph Subject: [Fot] scca seems like the folks at SCCA thought I was experienced enough to by-pass the SCCA requirements to let me stand on my own record and incident free racing experiences... they issued me a LICENSE to race in SCCA.... now.... if I knew how to drive the GTA car I could really go out there and use it.... Bobby Whitehead _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jun 29 13:33:07 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] REX TULLIUS Message-ID: <8CF244524DCBB8C-718-3DF65@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com> Rex is part of our community by way of Russel, his dad. Watch for him as he contends for an OLYMPIC berth on the U.S. Swim Team. Phelps was quoted as saying that Rex has a shot..... He also is featured on SWIMUTOPIA.COM Nice interview. I think he will be seen tonight at 8:00PM eastern time. Best wishes to REX. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Jun 29 14:19:11 2012 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:19:11 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Cool Video that I wish I had made! Message-ID: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> http://youtu.be/daVDrGsaDME ~STEVE From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri Jun 29 18:12:14 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:12:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cool Video that I wish I had made! In-Reply-To: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4FEE445E.40308@comcast.net> That was great! Thanks for sharing On 6/29/2012 1:19 PM, steve wrote: > http://youtu.be/daVDrGsaDME > > ~STEVE > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri Jun 29 18:31:08 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:31:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FEE48CC.4060406@comcast.net> A couple of years ago, based on the uneven wear pattern on the rear brake shoes on the Spitfire, I decided it was time for new drums, so I ordered up a set. The day before the race, I installed new Porterfield shoes and went to install the new drums and couldn't get them on - too small. Or actually, the Porterfield brake lining was too thick to fit. Took the drums to one of the larger local machine shops and dropped them off with instructions to take them out 030 or so - I took a whole lot of measurements. Got a call a couple of hours later that said the drums were too small to fit their machine. Found an old, small shop that turned them around in no time. Now I carry two sets of drums, new and oversize so I can fit whatever shoes I get (I hope). On 6/27/2012 9:07 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: > Hey FoT, > > I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local shops > > about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three inquiries > > all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I bring the > > car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I was the one > > that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet and just > > don't know it. > > Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. > > Jim G. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jun 29 18:39:10 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:39:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cool Video that I wish I had made! In-Reply-To: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <557757AB-40D3-4492-B68F-5DACD48D21D2@gdhs.com> Really neat..... Cool Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2012, at 4:19 PM, steve wrote: > http://youtu.be/daVDrGsaDME > > ~STEVE > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jun 29 18:42:53 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:42:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake shoe re-arching In-Reply-To: <4FEE48CC.4060406@comcast.net> References: <83682343.1352317.1340813232814.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <4FEE48CC.4060406@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6F92D61E-B8DE-400E-952F-9D6E9D8E639E@gdhs.com> Got a set from Ted & all that was needed was a little filing on the leading edges. 240Z drums may have helped Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2012, at 8:31 PM, Jim Norlin wrote: > A couple of years ago, based on the uneven wear pattern on the rear brake shoes on the Spitfire, I decided it was time for new drums, so I ordered up a set. The day before the race, I installed new Porterfield shoes and went to install the new drums and couldn't get them on - too small. Or actually, the Porterfield brake lining was too thick to fit. Took the drums to one of the larger local machine shops and dropped them off with instructions to take them out 030 or so - I took a whole lot of measurements. Got a call a couple of hours later that said the drums were too small to fit their machine. Found an old, small shop that turned them around in no time. Now I carry two sets of drums, new and oversize so I can fit whatever shoes I get (I hope). > > On 6/27/2012 9:07 AM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote: >> Hey FoT, >> >> I'm getting ready to reline my brakes and I have inquired at my local shops >> >> about re-arching the shoes to fit the newly turned drums. Out of three inquiries >> >> all three thought I was from another planet and all three suggested I bring the >> >> car in so they could adjust my brakes properly. I suspect they thought I was the one >> >> that didn't know what I was talking about. Maybe I am from another planet and just >> >> don't know it. >> >> Any input or comments on re-arching brake shoes would be appreciated. >> >> Jim G. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri Jun 29 19:26:44 2012 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:26:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cool Video that I wish I had made! In-Reply-To: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <51E455C3-29EC-4C50-B81E-58AE2F5099E6@comcast.net> Love it!!! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 29, 2012, at 4:19 PM, steve wrote: > http://youtu.be/daVDrGsaDME > > ~STEVE > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1 at comcast.net From mpendy at dishmail.net Fri Jun 29 21:43:24 2012 From: mpendy at dishmail.net (MARKANDGLENDA PENDERGRASS) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 20:43:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cool Video that I wish I had made! In-Reply-To: <51E455C3-29EC-4C50-B81E-58AE2F5099E6@comcast.net> References: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <51E455C3-29EC-4C50-B81E-58AE2F5099E6@comcast.net> Message-ID: Now that was truely a piece of artwork!!!...........thanks MJP On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Steven Groh wrote: > Love it!!! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 29, 2012, at 4:19 PM, steve wrote: > > > http://youtu.be/daVDrGsaDME > > > > ~STEVE > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Jun 30 08:07:38 2012 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (brad.kahler at 141.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Message-ID: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> Amici, My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the wheel either direction and it seems to over react. So, is this a toe-in problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? Years ago I had a 73 TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. Other than this issue the car rides smooth as glass. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 30 08:22:35 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:22:35 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> Message-ID: I would say the toe in is okay. I think not enough negative camber. For a street car I would suggest -1.5 degree. Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: brad.kahler at 141.com Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:07:38 To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Amici, My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the wheel either direction and it seems to over react. So, is this a toe-in problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? Years ago I had a 73 TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. Other than this issue the car rides smooth as glass. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Jun 30 08:32:55 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:32:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 1300 head question Message-ID: As I sit pondering my replacement engine I have a question for you 1300 experts. Did the MK 4 1300 head come with larger valves than the MK 3 version? Are the heads interchangeable? Is this the way to go? Thanks, Marty From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 30 09:15:45 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] CHASING THE TAIL OF THE DRAGON SCCA HILLCLIMB RESULTS? JK JACKSON? Message-ID: <8CF24EA5B35B6EF-1FCC-43BCD@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Any one has access to the results, specifically how JK Jackson did with his TR6? We saw him standing on the side of the hill on Friday, but left before he made his runs on Saturday and Sunday. Also, what about Richard Good at the PAGODA in PA? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From rikrock at live.com Sat Jun 30 09:44:30 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:44:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] CHASING THE TAIL OF THE DRAGON SCCA HILLCLIMB RESULTS? JK JACKSON? In-Reply-To: <8CF24EA5B35B6EF-1FCC-43BCD@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF24EA5B35B6EF-1FCC-43BCD@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Results for Pagoda Hillclimb are at www.bmr-scca.org/Portals/21/2012/2012-Pagoda-Hillclimb-Results-June-23-24.pdf Richard Good did Great! Chasing The Dragon Results are at http://www.ccrscca.com/results/ctd2_2012_fin.htm Looks like Chris Moore found A LOT of time on her last run and beat JK ! Some of you really should try to come to Reading PA for the Duryea Hillclimb, August 18-19. It's the premier event on the PHA calender. Rich Rock > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:15:45 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] CHASING THE TAIL OF THE DRAGON SCCA HILLCLIMB RESULTS? JK JACKSON? > > Any one has access to the results, specifically how JK Jackson did with his > TR6? > > > We saw him standing on the side of the hill on Friday, but left before he made > his runs on Saturday and Sunday. > > Also, what about Richard Good at the PAGODA in PA? > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rikrock at live.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Jun 30 09:44:55 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:44:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> Message-ID: Is this a solid rear axle or an IRS car? I assume since you didn't say TR4a that it's solid rear axle. If it's IRS, check the rear toe. A little rear toe out would cause twitchiness. You can try dialing in a little more front toe (up to 3/16") and see if that makes a difference. It should not feel twitchy going straight. It sure sounds like you've got SOMETHING wanting to pull the car in two directions, the challenge is figuring out WHAT is doing that. Tony At 09:07 AM 6/30/2012, brad.kahler at 141.com wrote: >Amici, > >My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, >replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite >replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor >trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can >detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this >would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. >The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the >steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels >like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. >It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight >ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the >wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > >So, is this a toe-in >problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > >Years ago I had a 73 >TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > >Other than >this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > >Any suggestions? > >Thanks, > >Brad >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From mlcooknj at msn.com Sat Jun 30 09:57:11 2012 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:57:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <20120630142205.E59E82D0769@autox.team.net> References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com>, <20120630142205.E59E82D0769@autox.team.net> Message-ID: What about the steering rack mounts? Could the rack be shifting a litttle? Mike Cook > To: brad.kahler at 141.com; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:22:35 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > I would say the toe in is okay. I think not enough negative camber. > For a street car I would suggest -1.5 degree. > > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: brad.kahler at 141.com > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:07:38 > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > Amici, > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > So, is this a toe-in > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > Years ago I had a 73 > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > Other than > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 30 10:29:14 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com>, <20120630142205.E59E82D0769@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CF24F49F20934D-1FCC-44A91@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> shifting and maybe some binding with congealed grease in the rack? i am guessing this TR4 might have sat for a long time? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: michael cook To: tr4racing ; brad.kahler ; fot-bounces ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 30, 2012 10:58 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 What about the steering rack mounts? Could the rack be shifting a litttle? Mike Cook > To: brad.kahler at 141.com; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:22:35 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > I would say the toe in is okay. I think not enough negative camber. > For a street car I would suggest -1.5 degree. > > Chris > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > -----Original Message----- > From: brad.kahler at 141.com > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:07:38 > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > Amici, > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > So, is this a toe-in > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > Years ago I had a 73 > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > Other than > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 30 10:41:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE Message-ID: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Mike Cook was very busy at the MITTY with interviews. I suspect one of the next issues of the award winning VTR magazine will contain a lot of content on our favorite TRIUMPH PEOPLE as well as the Kastner Cup. Likely worth the price of a year's membership with VTR. If you look at the masthead with names, you will find that the FOT is well represented. The magazine covers FOT activities extensively, too. Witness the FOT/VTR event poster. This is a collaboration between our groups and is funded by VTR with production by ISOA's Joe Pawlak at his cost. Please consider membership to support them in return. Expect this collaboration to continue in future years with another event poster in 2013 at Road America. Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From mlcooknj at msn.com Sat Jun 30 10:58:02 2012 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:58:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE In-Reply-To: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It will be in TVT #133 that I'm finishing up right now. Mike > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:41:53 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE > > Mike Cook was very busy at the MITTY with interviews. I suspect one of the > next issues of the award winning VTR magazine will contain a lot of content on > our favorite TRIUMPH PEOPLE as well as the Kastner Cup. > > Likely worth the price of a year's membership with VTR. If you look at the > masthead with names, you will find that the FOT is well represented. The > magazine covers FOT activities extensively, too. > > Witness the FOT/VTR event poster. This is a collaboration between our groups > and is funded by VTR with production by ISOA's Joe Pawlak at his cost. > > Please consider membership to support them in return. Expect this > collaboration to continue in future years with another event poster in 2013 at > Road America. > > > Joe Alexander > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 30 11:08:40 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE In-Reply-To: References: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF24FA2179A792-1FCC-44F53@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Mike! Your efforts are greatly appreciated. This issue should prove to be a collector item. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: michael cook To: Joe Alexander ; fot Sent: Sat, Jun 30, 2012 11:58 am Subject: RE: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE It will be in TVT #133 that I'm finishing up right now. Mike > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:41:53 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE > > Mike Cook was very busy at the MITTY with interviews. I suspect one of the > next issues of the award winning VTR magazine will contain a lot of content on > our favorite TRIUMPH PEOPLE as well as the Kastner Cup. > > Likely worth the price of a year's membership with VTR. If you look at the > masthead with names, you will find that the FOT is well represented. The > magazine covers FOT activities extensively, too. > > Witness the FOT/VTR event poster. This is a collaboration between our groups > and is funded by VTR with production by ISOA's Joe Pawlak at his cost. > > Please consider membership to support them in return. Expect this > collaboration to continue in future years with another event poster in 2013 at > Road America. > > > Joe Alexander > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Sat Jun 30 11:18:53 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> Message-ID: <1341076733.55165.YahooMailRC@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi, maybe you need more air pressure in the front tires. Jim ________________________________ From: "brad.kahler at 141.com" To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sat, June 30, 2012 7:08:07 AM Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Amici, My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the wheel either direction and it seems to over react. So, is this a toe-in problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? Years ago I had a 73 TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. Other than this issue the car rides smooth as glass. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat Jun 30 11:38:22 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:38:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> Message-ID: Try 1/16" total toe out, it'll get rid of that push. jim g -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of brad.kahler at 141.com Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:08 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Amici, My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the wheel either direction and it seems to over react. So, is this a toe-in problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? Years ago I had a 73 TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. Other than this issue the car rides smooth as glass. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sat Jun 30 11:53:14 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:53:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE Message-ID: And if you want to join the VTR, the address is: VTR PO Box 655 Howell, MI 48844-0655 Annual dues are $35.00 US. Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad Joe Alexander wrote: >Mike Cook was very busy at the MITTY with interviews. I suspect one of the >next issues of the award winning VTR magazine will contain a lot of content on >our favorite TRIUMPH PEOPLE as well as the Kastner Cup. > >Likely worth the price of a year's membership with VTR. If you look at the >masthead with names, you will find that the FOT is well represented. The >magazine covers FOT activities extensively, too. > >Witness the FOT/VTR event poster. This is a collaboration between our groups >and is funded by VTR with production by ISOA's Joe Pawlak at his cost. > >Please consider membership to support them in return. Expect this >collaboration to continue in future years with another event poster in 2013 at >Road America. > > >Joe Alexander >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From levilevi at comcast.net Sat Jun 30 13:00:21 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 13:00:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , ,<000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, ,, , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com> <1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly> <4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> Message-ID: That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've had great luck stopping leaks out the cover bolt holes with these. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jun 26, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > There is a Honda Goldwing valve cover seal that is a perfect fit for > the > stock TR valve covers, I know I have the part number written down > somewhere. I am fairly certain that Ted S. also sells them. This > is one > area where too many people think that if a little is good, more is > better. > I've seen a LOT of distorted valve covers due to overtightening. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jun 30 13:13:08 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 15:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF250B8504F2A6-1FCC-4671F@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> EXCELLENT DOUG! You can also review VTR and register online at: VTR.ORG Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Doug Mitchell To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot Sent: Sat, Jun 30, 2012 12:53 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE And if you want to join the VTR, the address is: VTR PO Box 655 Howell, MI 48844-0655 Annual dues are $35.00 US. Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad Joe Alexander wrote: >Mike Cook was very busy at the MITTY with interviews. I suspect one of the >next issues of the award winning VTR magazine will contain a lot of content on >our favorite TRIUMPH PEOPLE as well as the Kastner Cup. > >Likely worth the price of a year's membership with VTR. If you look at the >masthead with names, you will find that the FOT is well represented. The >magazine covers FOT activities extensively, too. > >Witness the FOT/VTR event poster. This is a collaboration between our groups >and is funded by VTR with production by ISOA's Joe Pawlak at his cost. > >Please consider membership to support them in return. Expect this >collaboration to continue in future years with another event poster in 2013 at >Road America. > > >Joe Alexander >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Jun 30 16:23:56 2012 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:23:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <8CF24F49F20934D-1FCC-44A91@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> <20120630142205.E59E82D0769@autox.team.net> <8CF24F49F20934D-1FCC-44A91@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Just went through the steering rack. It's smooth and well lubed. Yeah it sat for about 10 to 12 years. I've got the front end lubed and it seems like there is no slop or looseness in it. On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > shifting and maybe some binding with congealed grease in the rack? > > i am guessing this TR4 might have sat for a long time? > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: michael cook > To: tr4racing ; brad.kahler ; > fot-bounces ; fot > Sent: Sat, Jun 30, 2012 10:58 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > What about the steering rack mounts? Could the rack be shifting a litttle? > Mike Cook > > To: brad.kahler at 141.com; fot-bounces at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > > From: tr4racing at googlemail.com > > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 14:22:35 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > > > I would say the toe in is okay. I think not enough negative camber. > > For a street car I would suggest -1.5 degree. > > > > Chris > > Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: brad.kahler at 141.com > > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 10:07:38 > > To: Friends of Triumph > > Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > > > Amici, > > > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can > > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials > this > > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering > wheel. > > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the > > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it > feels > > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the > turn. > > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in > straight > > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of > the > > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > > > So, is this a toe-in > > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > > > Years ago I had a 73 > > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > > > Other than > > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brad > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com > _______________________________________________fot at autox.team.net > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Jun 30 16:23:52 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:23:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <20120630175214.34F892D08F2@autox.team.net> References: <20120630175214.34F892D08F2@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8A619A4B-3408-4EC1-BB9E-E13B6685B2CB@gdhs.com> I'm with Chris more neg camber Sent from my iPhone On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > Try 1/16" total toe out, it'll get rid of that push. > jim g > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of brad.kahler at 141.com > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:08 AM > To: Friends of Triumph > Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > Amici, > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials > this > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering > wheel. > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the > turn. > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of > the > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > So, is this a toe-in > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > Years ago I had a 73 > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > Other than > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Jun 30 16:26:23 2012 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:26:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <1341076733.55165.YahooMailRC@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> <1341076733.55165.YahooMailRC@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good thought. Any ideas out there as to what pressures to run front and rear? Right now I think I have them balanced at 28 psi on all corners. On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 1:18 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > Hi, maybe you need more air pressure in the front tires. Jim > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "brad.kahler at 141.com" > *To:* Friends of Triumph > *Sent:* Sat, June 30, 2012 7:08:07 AM > *Subject:* [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > Amici, > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials > this > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering > wheel. > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it > feels > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the > turn. > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in > straight > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of > the > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > So, is this a toe-in > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > Years ago I had a 73 > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > Other than > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Jun 30 16:28:06 2012 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:28:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <8A619A4B-3408-4EC1-BB9E-E13B6685B2CB@gdhs.com> References: <20120630175214.34F892D08F2@autox.team.net> <8A619A4B-3408-4EC1-BB9E-E13B6685B2CB@gdhs.com> Message-ID: I wish there was an adjustment for this, unfortunately I will have to modify something if I need to change the camber. I'm going to see what toe-in does and then try toe-out as Jim Gray has suggested. At least these adjustments can be done relatively quickly. Thanks, Brad On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM, John Hasty wrote: > I'm with Chris more neg camber > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > > > Try 1/16" total toe out, it'll get rid of that push. > > jim g > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of brad.kahler at 141.com > > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:08 AM > > To: Friends of Triumph > > Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > > > Amici, > > > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I > can > > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials > > this > > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering > > wheel. > > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning > the > > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it > feels > > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the > > turn. > > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in > straight > > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of > > the > > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > > > So, is this a toe-in > > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > > > Years ago I had a 73 > > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > > > Other than > > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brad > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Jun 30 16:44:07 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:44:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: <20120630175214.34F892D08F2@autox.team.net> <8A619A4B-3408-4EC1-BB9E-E13B6685B2CB@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <7443CF14-CBD9-438D-AD86-19ED71F4A475@gdhs.com> Yep.... About 1 to 1/2" out of the upper A arms should do it Sent from my iPhone On Jun 30, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > I wish there was an adjustment for this, unfortunately I will have to modify something if I need to change the camber. > > I'm going to see what toe-in does and then try toe-out as Jim Gray has suggested. At least these adjustments can be done relatively quickly. > > Thanks, > > Brad > > > On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM, John Hasty wrote: > I'm with Chris more neg camber > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > > > Try 1/16" total toe out, it'll get rid of that push. > > jim g > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of brad.kahler at 141.com > > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:08 AM > > To: Friends of Triumph > > Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > > > Amici, > > > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can > > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials > > this > > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering > > wheel. > > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the > > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels > > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the > > turn. > > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight > > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of > > the > > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > > > So, is this a toe-in > > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > > > Years ago I had a 73 > > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > > > Other than > > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brad > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jun 30 16:59:19 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:59:19 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> <1341076733.55165.YahooMailRC@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I would run 30 to 32 psi. At front more than rear. Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Brad Kahler Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:26:23 To: sherry robyn Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Good thought. Any ideas out there as to what pressures to run front and rear? Right now I think I have them balanced at 28 psi on all corners. On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 1:18 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > Hi, maybe you need more air pressure in the front tires. Jim > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "brad.kahler at 141.com" > *To:* Friends of Triumph > *Sent:* Sat, June 30, 2012 7:08:07 AM > *Subject:* [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 > > Amici, > > My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, > replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite > replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor > trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can > detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials > this > would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering > wheel. > The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the > steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it > feels > like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the > turn. > It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in > straight > ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of > the > wheel either direction and it seems to over react. > > So, is this a toe-in > problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? > > Years ago I had a 73 > TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. > > Other than > this issue the car rides smooth as glass. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Jun 30 18:41:00 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:41:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> <1341076733.55165.YahooMailRC@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: All I can say deals with Hoosier Sportsters radials on the race track & each track is different; but the range is usually 28 -29 on the front side with the most turns ( ie more lefts or more rights) & 26 -27 on the other. The rear tires are both the same @ 26 -27. Neg camber is 3degrees. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 30, 2012, at 6:26 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Good thought. > > Any ideas out there as to what pressures to run front and rear? > > Right now I think I have them balanced at 28 psi on all corners. > > > On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 1:18 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > >> Hi, maybe you need more air pressure in the front tires. Jim >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* "brad.kahler at 141.com" >> *To:* Friends of Triumph >> *Sent:* Sat, June 30, 2012 7:08:07 AM >> *Subject:* [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 >> >> Amici, >> >> My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, >> replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite >> replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor >> trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can >> detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials >> this >> would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering >> wheel. >> The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the >> steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it >> feels >> like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the >> turn. >> It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in >> straight >> ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of >> the >> wheel either direction and it seems to over react. >> >> So, is this a toe-in >> problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? >> >> Years ago I had a 73 >> TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. >> >> Other than >> this issue the car rides smooth as glass. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Jun 30 18:49:46 2012 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (brad.kahler at 141.com) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> <1341076733.55165.YahooMailRC@web180606.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1341103786.345317832@mail.141.com> Those of you who suggested that tire pressure might be the answer were correct, Chris specifically when he suggested 30 to 32 in the front.B I tookB Chris's advice and bumped the fronts to 32 and left the rears at 28. Made a huge difference in the turns. Even most of the twitchyness went away in the straights. I think I'm going to try 33 and possibly even 34 to see how it handles. As for the steering rack mounts, they are solid with no noticeable movement side to side. The rack is solid mounted in aluminum blocks that are pinned so the rack can't slide side to side or rotate. Thanks for all the suggestions! Brad -----Original Message----- From: "John Hasty" Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:41pm To: "Brad Kahler" Cc: "sherry robyn" , "Friends of Triumph" Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 All I can say deals with Hoosier Sportsters radials on the race track & each track is different; but the range is usually 28 -29 on the front side with the most turns ( ie more lefts or more rights) & 26 -27 on the other. The rear tires are both the same @ 26 -27. Neg camber is 3degrees. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 30, 2012, at 6:26 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Good thought. > > Any ideas out there as to what pressures to run front and rear? > > Right now I think I have them balanced at 28 psi on all corners. > > > On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 1:18 PM, sherry robyn wrote: > >> Hi, maybe you need more air pressure in the front tires. Jim >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* "brad.kahler at 141.com" >> *To:* Friends of Triumph >> *Sent:* Sat, June 30, 2012 7:08:07 AM >> *Subject:* [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 >> >> Amici, >> >> My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, >> replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite >> replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor >> trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can >> detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials >> this >> would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering >> wheel. >> The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the >> steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it >> feels >> like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the >> turn. >> It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in >> straight >> ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of >> the >> wheel either direction and it seems to over react. >> >> So, is this a toe-in >> problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? >> >> Years ago I had a 73 >> TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. >> >> Other than >> this issue the car rides smooth as glass. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From levilevi at comcast.net Sat Jun 30 21:29:09 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:29:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4A stamped B 5 What's it mean? Message-ID: <2E4F952A-ADD6-4BF6-A6A4-424788A22173@comcast.net> Any idea what the B 5 means that is stamped on the front cross beam of my TR4A frame? I dug out the straight frame I have for the Wreck listed below and saw a letter and number stamped on the top of the frame cross member. http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/ Thanks Bud Rolofson Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net From malaboge at aol.com Sat Jun 30 22:31:53 2012 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 00:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> References: <1341065258.52816307@mail.141.com> Message-ID: <8CF25599345DD3C-1994-4B1CF@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com> Brad- If all the good recommendations that you've received so far leave you with some percentage of the continuing problem... Take a look at the rear leaf springs. Check the front and rear bushes for excessive wear/deterioration. Also check the leaves for a broken leaf (look closely near the axle mounts as this is where they brake if they're gonna). A loose/broken spring is tuff to notice but when starting into a turn, the instantaneous roll oversteer from a moving rear axle due to the above will really get your attention. If its a 4A, check the rear control arm mounts or for a cracked frame for the same reasons. Oversteerin all over Nor Cal... Nick -----Original Message----- From: brad.kahler To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sat, Jun 30, 2012 7:08 am Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Amici, My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, eplaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite eplicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor runnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I can etect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials this ould be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering wheel. he problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning the teering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it feels ike you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the turn. t takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in straight head driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of the heel either direction and it seems to over react. So, is this a toe-in roblem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? Years ago I had a 73 R6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. Other than his issue the car rides smooth as glass. Any suggestions? Thanks, Brad ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/malaboge at aol.com From levilevi at comcast.net Sat Jun 30 23:02:56 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 23:02:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4A stamped B 5 What's it mean? In-Reply-To: <1391250673.1699902.1341115567361.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1391250673.1699902.1341115567361.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <47B17045-FC18-45BE-84E3-FB37E4EBE0F2@comcast.net> As they say, upon further review the B is actually a raised letter and the 5 is a stamped number see in the pics. Both are on a metal strip (which is the rectangle you see) that is attached to the frame cross member somehow. It doesn't look welded on but it's securely attached to stay on there a few decades somehow. I'm not going to pull it off to see how its attached though. Those are the only letters/numbers that I can see. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jun 30, 2012, at 10:06 PM, davehogye wrote: > Hello Bud, > I'm not sure about the B part of the stamping, but I believe the > number is related to the month and or year the frame was made. My > TR3A has a Z29 stamped on the frame and I know that my car was built > in March '59. So the frame was built in Feb. '59. 2 for march and > 9 for '59. Is it possible that another number is there but not > stamped to deep? You might clean it off a little more, another > number may be hiding there. > Photo of mine included. > Check the FoT archives about this topic. I know that it has been > brought up in the past. > You'll probably get a more definite answer to your inquiry from > another person as well. > Dave H. > Santa Cruz, Ca. > From: "Bud Rolofson" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:29:09 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4A stamped B 5 What's it mean? > > Any idea what the B 5 means that is stamped on the front cross beam of > my TR4A frame? > > I dug out the straight frame I have for the Wreck listed below and saw > a letter and number stamped on the top of the frame cross member. > > http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/ > > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net > > > From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Jun 30 23:02:20 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 22:02:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , , <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, , , , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com><1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly><4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <000001cd5746$b25bf2b0$0601a8c0@randall> > That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've had great luck stopping > leaks out the cover bolt holes with these. Are those similar to http://www.mcmaster.com/#93781A037 or something different ? -- Randall