From levilevi at comcast.net Sun Jul 1 01:32:59 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 01:32:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <000001cd5746$b25bf2b0$0601a8c0@randall> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , , <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, , , , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com><1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly><4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> <000001cd5746$b25bf2b0$0601a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <056ACCDA-8E02-4F9D-93EF-20ADC877A5AF@comcast.net> Close but the Honda part has a nub that goes into the cover hole as seen in the pics. Doesn't look like the McMaster part does that. http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/Honda%20valve%20cover%20seals/ Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jun 30, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Randall wrote: >> That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've had great luck stopping >> leaks out the cover bolt holes with these. > > Are those similar to > http://www.mcmaster.com/#93781A037 > or something different ? > > -- Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 1 03:54:51 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 11:54:51 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD now torque bars In-Reply-To: References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <001201cd442a$e0dc46a0$a294d3e0$@com> <2028339053-1339072495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-787904219-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <214332522-1339073887-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1856733750-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: <000301cd576f$91f3c1f0$b5db45d0$@com> Hi, I would like to give you an update on the rear axle issue I had. Ive installed bars above the spring to cure the rear axle steer. And it did help. At Spa, especially in the rain the car is more predictable with those bars. I felt no steer caused by the bars but the rear end felt very calm and easy to handle. Instead of using rose joints at all places I put some rubber in place so the stiffening up at cornering I felt on my first test rides is gone. Im happy with it now. Thanks for input. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx < tr4racing at googlemail.com> To: 'FOT' < fot at autox.team.net> Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am Subject: [Fot] LSD I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on throttle" and to the left "off throttle". Does anybody see a reason for that? http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE Cheers Chris From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sun Jul 1 04:48:43 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 11:48:43 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <7443CF14-CBD9-438D-AD86-19ED71F4A475@gdhs.com> References: <20120630175214.34F892D08F2@autox.team.net> <8A619A4B-3408-4EC1-BB9E-E13B6685B2CB@gdhs.com> <7443CF14-CBD9-438D-AD86-19ED71F4A475@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <07C8108F-234F-47E2-8ECE-A3E456909221@virgin.net> Guys you can buy an 'adjustable' top fulcrum kit, with which you can move the top wishbones back to get more negative camber. Another benefit is that you can adjust out any twists or tweaks in the top of the turret. You just bolt this lot up in the correct position and then tag weld it all on so that it's solid. TR Enterprises and Revington TR in the UK offer these and it's a better solution than shortening the top arms IMHO because you leave the 'dynamic' geometry in the same configuration as designed. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2012, at 23:44, John Hasty wrote: > Yep.... About 1 to 1/2" out of the upper A arms should do it > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 30, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> I wish there was an adjustment for this, unfortunately I will have to modify > something if I need to change the camber. >> >> I'm going to see what toe-in does and then try toe-out as Jim Gray has > suggested. At least these adjustments can be done relatively quickly. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM, John Hasty wrote: >> I'm with Chris more neg camber >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: >> >>> Try 1/16" total toe out, it'll get rid of that push. >>> jim g >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of brad.kahler at 141.com >>> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:08 AM >>> To: Friends of Triumph >>> Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 >>> >>> Amici, >>> >>> My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, >>> replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite >>> replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor >>> trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I > can >>> detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials >>> this >>> would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering >>> wheel. >>> The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning > the >>> steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it > feels >>> like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the >>> turn. >>> It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in > straight >>> ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of >>> the >>> wheel either direction and it seems to over react. >>> >>> So, is this a toe-in >>> problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? >>> >>> Years ago I had a 73 >>> TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. >>> >>> Other than >>> this issue the car rides smooth as glass. >>> >>> Any suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brad >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 1 07:38:31 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 09:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <07C8108F-234F-47E2-8ECE-A3E456909221@virgin.net> References: <20120630175214.34F892D08F2@autox.team.net> <8A619A4B-3408-4EC1-BB9E-E13B6685B2CB@gdhs.com> <7443CF14-CBD9-438D-AD86-19ED71F4A475@gdhs.com> <07C8108F-234F-47E2-8ECE-A3E456909221@virgin.net> Message-ID: <8CF25A5EFE58016-1C94-4D5AE@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com> Gary Horstkorta has the fixtures to produce a high quality version of this adjustable assembly. I dont know if he is still doing them or what they cost. As I remember it, they were adjustable while on the car. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: TR4 Tony To: John Hasty Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 8:32 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Guys you can buy an 'adjustable' top fulcrum kit, with which you can move the top wishbones back to get more negative camber. Another benefit is that you can adjust out any twists or tweaks in the top of the turret. You just bolt this lot up in the correct position and then tag weld it all on so that it's solid. TR Enterprises and Revington TR in the UK offer these and it's a better solution than shortening the top arms IMHO because you leave the 'dynamic' geometry in the same configuration as designed. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2012, at 23:44, John Hasty wrote: > Yep.... About 1 to 1/2" out of the upper A arms should do it > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 30, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> I wish there was an adjustment for this, unfortunately I will have to modify > something if I need to change the camber. >> >> I'm going to see what toe-in does and then try toe-out as Jim Gray has > suggested. At least these adjustments can be done relatively quickly. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM, John Hasty wrote: >> I'm with Chris more neg camber >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: >> >>> Try 1/16" total toe out, it'll get rid of that push. >>> jim g >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of brad.kahler at 141.com >>> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:08 AM >>> To: Friends of Triumph >>> Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 >>> >>> Amici, >>> >>> My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, >>> replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite >>> replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor >>> trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I > can >>> detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials >>> this >>> would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering >>> wheel. >>> The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning > the >>> steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it > feels >>> like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the >>> turn. >>> It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in > straight >>> ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of >>> the >>> wheel either direction and it seems to over react. >>> >>> So, is this a toe-in >>> problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? >>> >>> Years ago I had a 73 >>> TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. >>> >>> Other than >>> this issue the car rides smooth as glass. >>> >>> Any suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brad >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sun Jul 1 07:39:57 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 07:39:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] LSD now torque bars In-Reply-To: <000301cd576f$91f3c1f0$b5db45d0$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <001201cd442a$e0dc46a0$a294d3e0$@com> <2028339053-1339072495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-787904219-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <214332522-1339073887-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1856733750-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <000301cd576f$91f3c1f0$b5db45d0$@com> Message-ID: <42A0110B-68F2-4AA2-828C-7050DDD757EF@yahoo.com> Any pics you can share Chris? Thx Ty Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2012, at 3:54 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > Hi, > > > > I would like to give you an update on the rear axle issue I had. > > Ive installed bars above the spring to cure the rear axle steer. > > And it did help. > > At Spa, especially in the rain the car is more predictable with those bars. > > I felt no steer caused by the bars but the rear end felt very calm and easy > to handle. > > Instead of using rose joints at all places I put some rubber in place so the > stiffening up at cornering I felt on my first test rides is gone. > > > > Im happy with it now. > > Thanks for input. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MadMarx < tr4racing at googlemail.com> > To: 'FOT' < fot at autox.team.net> > Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am > Subject: [Fot] LSD > > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > throttle" and to the left "off throttle". > > Does anybody see a reason for that? > > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 1 08:11:27 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 16:11:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD now torque bars In-Reply-To: <42A0110B-68F2-4AA2-828C-7050DDD757EF@yahoo.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <001201cd442a$e0dc46a0$a294d3e0$@com> <2028339053-1339072495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-787904219-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <214332522-1339073887-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1856733750-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <000301cd576f$91f3c1f0$b5d b45d0$@com> <42A0110B-68F2-4AA2-828C-7050DDD757EF@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001cd5793$68fa8530$3aef8f90$@com> Sure I can. The rods are taken from the Spitfire. I welded a M8 nut on the front. And I welded an extension on the axle tube: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3r6FX4NXsZw/T8_IiglnzXI/AAAAAAAABYE/sfCYJ bBJyn0/s761/DSC02759.JPG Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Tylerpthompson [mailto:tylerpthompson at yahoo.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. Juli 2012 15:40 An: MadMarx Cc: fot Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD now torque bars Any pics you can share Chris? Thx Ty Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2012, at 3:54 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > Hi, > > > > I would like to give you an update on the rear axle issue I had. > > Ive installed bars above the spring to cure the rear axle steer. > > And it did help. > > At Spa, especially in the rain the car is more predictable with those bars. > > I felt no steer caused by the bars but the rear end felt very calm and easy > to handle. > > Instead of using rose joints at all places I put some rubber in place so the > stiffening up at cornering I felt on my first test rides is gone. > > > > Im happy with it now. > > Thanks for input. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MadMarx < tr4racing at googlemail.com> > To: 'FOT' < fot at autox.team.net> > Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am > Subject: [Fot] LSD > > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > throttle" and to the left "off throttle". > > Does anybody see a reason for that? > > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 1 08:17:12 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 16:17:12 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <07C8108F-234F-47E2-8ECE-A3E456909221@virgin.net> References: <20120630175214.34F892D08F2@autox.team.net> <8A619A4B-3408-4EC1-BB9E-E13B6685B2CB@gdhs.com> <7443CF14-CBD9-438D-AD86-19ED71F4A475@gdhs.com> <07C8108F-234F-47E2-8ECE-A3E456909221@virgin.net> Message-ID: <000101cd5794$37638de0$a62aa9a0$@com> Depending on what you need a stronger camber gain might be desirable. I run 4.5 static camber and it gains about 2 degree at full bump. A well thought bump steer correction makes fast driving on the Nordschleife easy. The car is always very calm on bumpy corners. On bump steer the suspension is set to toe out. On normal ride toe in. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von TR4 Tony Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. Juli 2012 12:49 An: John Hasty Cc: Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Guys you can buy an 'adjustable' top fulcrum kit, with which you can move the top wishbones back to get more negative camber. Another benefit is that you can adjust out any twists or tweaks in the top of the turret. You just bolt this lot up in the correct position and then tag weld it all on so that it's solid. TR Enterprises and Revington TR in the UK offer these and it's a better solution than shortening the top arms IMHO because you leave the 'dynamic' geometry in the same configuration as designed. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2012, at 23:44, John Hasty wrote: > Yep.... About 1 to 1/2" out of the upper A arms should do it > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 30, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> I wish there was an adjustment for this, unfortunately I will have to modify > something if I need to change the camber. >> >> I'm going to see what toe-in does and then try toe-out as Jim Gray has > suggested. At least these adjustments can be done relatively quickly. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM, John Hasty wrote: >> I'm with Chris more neg camber >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: >> >>> Try 1/16" total toe out, it'll get rid of that push. >>> jim g >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of brad.kahler at 141.com >>> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:08 AM >>> To: Friends of Triumph >>> Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 >>> >>> Amici, >>> >>> My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, >>> replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite >>> replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor >>> trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I > can >>> detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials >>> this >>> would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering >>> wheel. >>> The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning > the >>> steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it > feels >>> like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the >>> turn. >>> It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in > straight >>> ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of >>> the >>> wheel either direction and it seems to over react. >>> >>> So, is this a toe-in >>> problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? >>> >>> Years ago I had a 73 >>> TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. >>> >>> Other than >>> this issue the car rides smooth as glass. >>> >>> Any suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brad >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 1 08:20:15 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 16:20:15 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD now torque bars In-Reply-To: <42A0110B-68F2-4AA2-828C-7050DDD757EF@yahoo.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <001201cd442a$e0dc46a0$a294d3e0$@com> <2028339053-1339072495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-787904219-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <214332522-1339073887-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1856733750-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <000301cd576f$91f3c1f0$b5d b45d0$@com> <42A0110B-68F2-4AA2-828C-7050DDD757EF@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000201cd5794$a6df49c0$f49ddd40$@com> Maybe the video is interesting too? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8Wx0_DPVm8 -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Tylerpthompson [mailto:tylerpthompson at yahoo.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. Juli 2012 15:40 An: MadMarx Cc: fot Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD now torque bars Any pics you can share Chris? Thx Ty Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2012, at 3:54 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > Hi, > > > > I would like to give you an update on the rear axle issue I had. > > Ive installed bars above the spring to cure the rear axle steer. > > And it did help. > > At Spa, especially in the rain the car is more predictable with those bars. > > I felt no steer caused by the bars but the rear end felt very calm and easy > to handle. > > Instead of using rose joints at all places I put some rubber in place so the > stiffening up at cornering I felt on my first test rides is gone. > > > > Im happy with it now. > > Thanks for input. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MadMarx < tr4racing at googlemail.com> > To: 'FOT' < fot at autox.team.net> > Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am > Subject: [Fot] LSD > > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > throttle" and to the left "off throttle". > > Does anybody see a reason for that? > > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From mlcooknj at msn.com Sun Jul 1 08:47:20 2012 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 10:47:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE In-Reply-To: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It will be in TVT #133 that I'm finishing up right now. Mike > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:41:53 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE > > Mike Cook was very busy at the MITTY with interviews. I suspect one of the > next issues of the award winning VTR magazine will contain a lot of content on > our favorite TRIUMPH PEOPLE as well as the Kastner Cup. > > Likely worth the price of a year's membership with VTR. If you look at the > masthead with names, you will find that the FOT is well represented. The > magazine covers FOT activities extensively, too. > > Witness the FOT/VTR event poster. This is a collaboration between our groups > and is funded by VTR with production by ISOA's Joe Pawlak at his cost. > > Please consider membership to support them in return. Expect this > collaboration to continue in future years with another event poster in 2013 at > Road America. > > > Joe Alexander > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 1 09:12:57 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 11:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE In-Reply-To: References: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF25B321A48E46-1C94-4EE2F@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com> perhaps you could announce the 11th Running of the Kastner Cup at Road America? i know that VTR and the ISOA folks are going to be interested in making plans for this. this is a popular event in North America. It will be the first time that TRIUMPH has been featured since 1996. a lot of attention to this event by VSCDA and Road America is expected. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: michael cook To: Joe Alexander ; fot Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 9:47 am Subject: RE: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE It will be in TVT #133 that I'm finishing up right now. Mike > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:41:53 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE > > Mike Cook was very busy at the MITTY with interviews. I suspect one of the > next issues of the award winning VTR magazine will contain a lot of content on > our favorite TRIUMPH PEOPLE as well as the Kastner Cup. > > Likely worth the price of a year's membership with VTR. If you look at the > masthead with names, you will find that the FOT is well represented. The > magazine covers FOT activities extensively, too. > > Witness the FOT/VTR event poster. This is a collaboration between our groups > and is funded by VTR with production by ISOA's Joe Pawlak at his cost. > > Please consider membership to support them in return. Expect this > collaboration to continue in future years with another event poster in 2013 at > Road America. > > > Joe Alexander > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jul 1 08:05:59 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 07:05:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <056ACCDA-8E02-4F9D-93EF-20ADC877A5AF@comcast.net> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , , <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, , , , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com><1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly><4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> <000001cd5746$b25bf2b0$0601a8c0@randall> <056ACCDA-8E02-4F9D-93EF-20ADC877A5AF@comcast.net> Message-ID: <006c01cd5792$a4f27fd0$0601a8c0@randall> Thanks for the explanation and photos, Bud. -- Randall From gregsk at bell.net Sun Jul 1 09:46:49 2012 From: gregsk at bell.net (GregKerr) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 11:46:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Any TR7 or TR8 racers in the group? References: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: This is my first post so I hope I'm doing this correctly. My name is Greg Kerr. I own a Triumph TR8 on the street. My friend Bruce Luke (TR3 owner) and I have just purchased an immaculate period correct racing TR7 from member Paul McDonald. Bruce and I raced Spitfires together as young bucks in the 1970's and now that we've both just turned 60, we've decided to relive the foolishness of our youth and get back into racing. :-) The car is very tricked out but currently has only a mildly modified TR7 engine in it. This setup will be fine for our first season in 2013. We haven't raced for a long time so this engine will get us through driver's school and our novice races in the first season. For 2014 we're not quite sure what we want to with the engine but are considering a either a dolomite sprint engine or converting to the Rover 3.5 V8. We already have a sprint head and also have two V8 engines. I'm tending to lean towards the V8 as I'm familiar with that engine but Bruce is keen on the sprint engine. Its really an either or, since we could go either way. There is lots of tuning info and resources for the V8 in North America but we can't find any resources on the sprint engine on our side of the pond. Just wondering if anybody in the group has any experience or thoughts about racing a standard TR7 8 valve vs dolomite sprint engine vs the V8. Greg From gregsk at bell.net Sun Jul 1 10:36:21 2012 From: gregsk at bell.net (GregKerr) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 12:36:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Any TR7 or TR8 racers in the group? References: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> <8CF25BCC8C9B524-1C94-4FA04@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the response Joe. Bruce and I are solid Triumph guys. My first street car at age 19 was a 68 Spitfire as was my first race car. Many years ago when we were young lads racing our Spits, Bruce also owned a TR3 and has always wanted another one. He's just completing a restoration at the moment. The car will be immaculate when completed. I know Ted Schumacher quite well. He built my TR8 engine for my street car about 20 yrs ago. Interesting story on my TR8. I sold it in 1995 and then bought it back three owners later in 2010. Other sources I know is Woody from the Wedge Shop in Mass and Peter Bulkowski in Ontario. Peter races an IMSA TR8 that was prepared for him 30+ yrs by Group 44. If we go the TR8 we won't go that wild. We'd prepare our car more like a SCCA CP TR8 from that era. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Alexander To: gregsk at bell.net ; mlcooknj at msn.com Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 12:22 PM Subject: Re: Any TR7 or TR8 racers in the group? Nice introduction....thanks! The TR7 and The TR8 is becoming more and more a part of vintage racing. It's inevitable as time marches on. You can help us promote the idea as a logical expansion of Triumph racing with your TR7. It is likely your TR7 would be accepted in the 2013 Kastner Cup and consider this a sincere invitation, to join us in September of 2013. I hope you hear from some folks on your questions. I think Ted Schumacher is a specialist in Wedges, but you likely already know that. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: GregKerr To: michael cook ; Joe Alexander ; fot Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 10:46 am Subject: Any TR7 or TR8 racers in the group? This is my first post so I hope I'm doing this correctly. My name is Greg Kerr. I own a Triumph TR8 on the street. My friend Bruce Luke (TR3 owner) and I have just purchased an immaculate period correct racing TR7 from member Paul McDonald. Bruce and I raced Spitfires together as young bucks in the 1970's and now that we've both just turned 60, we've decided to relive the foolishness of our youth and get back into racing. :-) The car is very tricked out but currently has only a mildly modified TR7 engine in it. This setup will be fine for our first season in 2013. We haven't raced for a long time so this engine will get us through driver's school and our novice races in the first season. For 2014 we're not quite sure what we want to with the engine but are considering a either a dolomite sprint engine or converting to the Rover 3.5 V8. We already have a sprint head and also have two V8 engines. I'm tending to lean towards the V8 as I'm familiar with that engine but Bruce is keen on the sprint engine. Its really an either or, since we could go either way. There is lots of tuning info and resources for the V8 in North America but we can't find any resources on the sprint engine on our side of the pond. Just wondering if anybody in the group has any experience or thoughts about racing a standard TR7 8 valve vs dolomite sprint engine vs the V8. Greg From garygret at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 1 11:44:59 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 10:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Any TR7 or TR8 racers in the group? In-Reply-To: References: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1341164699.48585.YahooMailRC@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greg, I believe Yves Boode at Historic Racecar in Woodstock IL is knowledgeable on TR7 running gear and could give you some insights. He builds engines and preps the car for an endurance team that runs a TR7, but I think they recently converted to a Ford engine for reliability. He's built Mini and TR4 engines for me and is a good honest guy. http://www.historicracecar.com/contact.html or (815) 337-4001. The TR8 I had was great but I also had a TR7 which was a disappointment. I'm not familiar with the Dolomites but if I had a V8 in the garage it would be an easy decision in my mind :-) Regards, Gary Schneider ________________________________ From: GregKerr To: michael cook ; Joe Alexander ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, July 1, 2012 11:10:55 AM Subject: [Fot] Any TR7 or TR8 racers in the group? This is my first post so I hope I'm doing this correctly. My name is Greg Kerr. I own a Triumph TR8 on the street. My friend Bruce Luke (TR3 owner) and I have just purchased an immaculate period correct racing TR7 from member Paul McDonald. Bruce and I raced Spitfires together as young bucks in the 1970's and now that we've both just turned 60, we've decided to relive the foolishness of our youth and get back into racing. :-) The car is very tricked out but currently has only a mildly modified TR7 engine in it. This setup will be fine for our first season in 2013. We haven't raced for a long time so this engine will get us through driver's school and our novice races in the first season. For 2014 we're not quite sure what we want to with the engine but are considering a either a dolomite sprint engine or converting to the Rover 3.5 V8. We already have a sprint head and also have two V8 engines. I'm tending to lean towards the V8 as I'm familiar with that engine but Bruce is keen on the sprint engine. Its really an either or, since we could go either way. There is lots of tuning info and resources for the V8 in North America but we can't find any resources on the sprint engine on our side of the pond. Just wondering if anybody in the group has any experience or thoughts about racing a standard TR7 8 valve vs dolomite sprint engine vs the V8. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net From barry at penybryn.ca Sun Jul 1 17:01:04 2012 From: barry at penybryn.ca (Barry Munson) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 17:01:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 Message-ID: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Amici - As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: Engine - 61.0 lbs Chassis - 11.0 lbs Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will forward one immediately. I can also supply the source and cost for any of the components. I have checked the archives for such a compilation and couldn't find one - that doesn't necessarily mean that it's not there.. Barry. From levilevi at comcast.net Sun Jul 1 17:39:37 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 17:39:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 In-Reply-To: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> References: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Message-ID: <0823C9C4-890A-45C8-91E0-F0E06075C258@comcast.net> Barry, Please send me a copy of your component table. I'm in the process of making similar type decisions on what parts to use and what race category it would put me in to use certain parts. Weight considerations are high priority part of that process so your timing for me could not be better. Thanks for sharing. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jul 1, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Barry Munson wrote: > Amici - > > As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary > process > from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two > years, one of > the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue > of > weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce > the > weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of > the > majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising > either > safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things > like the > addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, > increasing > the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not > considered. What > I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy > components for > stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later > models of > the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two > years I > have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring > bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and > cost has > been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that > knowledge. > > The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component > breakdown: > > Engine - 61.0 lbs > > Chassis - 11.0 lbs > > Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the > components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and > performance. > > > > I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where > this > reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for > team.net > therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and > I will > forward one immediately. I can also supply the source and cost for > any of > the components. I have checked the archives for such a compilation and > couldn't find one - that doesn't necessarily mean that it's not > there.. > > > > Barry. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sun Jul 1 18:02:21 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 19:02:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 In-Reply-To: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> References: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Message-ID: <8252952C-A9FA-46B0-9BF8-F37690F5A14B@gmail.com> Alfin rear drums might save a bit of unsprung weight (if you can find them). I had a set on the front of my early drum-braked '56 TR3 and I'm pretty sure they would have fit on the rear as well. Disc wheels will be lighter than wire wheels but if you removed 16 lbs at each axle I'm guessing you've already done this. An aluminum radiator will be lighter than the stock item. Duncan (Texas) On Jul 1, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Barry Munson wrote: > Amici - > > As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process > from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of > the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of > weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the > weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the > majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either > safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the > addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing > the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What > I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for > stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of > the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I > have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring > bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has > been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. > > The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: > > Engine - 61.0 lbs > > Chassis - 11.0 lbs > > Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the > components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. > > > > I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this > reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net > therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will > forward one immediately. I can also supply the source and cost for any of > the components. I have checked the archives for such a compilation and > couldn't find one - that doesn't necessarily mean that it's not there.. > > > > Barry. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 1 18:38:09 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 20:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 alloy engine plates In-Reply-To: <8252952C-A9FA-46B0-9BF8-F37690F5A14B@gmail.com> References: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> <8252952C-A9FA-46B0-9BF8-F37690F5A14B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CF26021655F640-1C94-52BB5@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com> Perhaps this is a good time to shamelessly mention that we launched a new production run on: TR3 TR4 TR6 FRONT TR6 REAR MORGAN TR3 and TR4 are about five weeks out The rest are about four weeks out. we still have an abundance of GT6 REARS. SPITFIRE REARS are available. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: FOT team Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 7:05 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 Alfin rear drums might save a bit of unsprung weight (if you can find them). I had a set on the front of my early drum-braked '56 TR3 and I'm pretty sure they would have fit on the rear as well. Disc wheels will be lighter than wire wheels but if you removed 16 lbs at each axle I'm guessing you've already done this. An aluminum radiator will be lighter than the stock item. Duncan (Texas) On Jul 1, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Barry Munson wrote: > Amici - > > As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process > from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of > the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of > weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the > weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the > majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either > safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the > addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing > the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What > I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for > stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of > the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I > have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring > bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has > been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. > > The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: > > Engine - 61.0 lbs > > Chassis - 11.0 lbs > > Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the > components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. > > > > I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this > reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net > therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will > forward one immediately. I can also supply the source and cost for any of > the components. I have checked the archives for such a compilation and > couldn't find one - that doesn't necessarily mean that it's not there.. > > > > Barry. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jul 1 20:43:03 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 19:43:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 In-Reply-To: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> References: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Message-ID: <01dc01cd57fc$67ab0a10$0601a8c0@randall> > Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. Just curious, has anyone tried reducing the diameter of the rear half shafts from the splines out to near the seal area? Obviously torque can't be an issue, since the splines are smaller; and I wouldn't think the relatively small side load would be an issue but ??? -- Randall From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Jul 2 11:29:28 2012 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (brad.kahler at 141.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 13:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] castor, camber, toe-in and all things mysterious Message-ID: <1341250168.23381072@mail.141.com> Ok, The discussion recently on whether I might have a toe-in problem on my street TR4 raised a few other questions that Ibm guessing can be answered by the group. While doing a little research on the subject I found this interesting comment from Wikipedia, b Off-road vehicles such as agricultural tractors generally use positive camber.b Somehow this seemed appropriate, after all we are talking about cars with tractor engines :) Looking at the numbers used by Triumph for the various models: TR4 Caster = 3 deg + Camber = 2 deg + Toe-in = 1/8b Swivel pin = 7 deg TR4A/250 Caster = 2-3/4 deg + Camber = 1/2 deg + Toe-in = 1/16b Swivel pin = 8-1/2 deg TR6 Caster = 2-3/4 deg + Camber = 1/2 deg + Toe-in = 1/16b Swivel pin = 9 deg Ibm not sure what the Swivel pin reference means. Ibve not seen that term used before regarding the front suspension. >From reading the archives it seems the most common preference for camber is -1.5 degrees. Assuming I managed to get the suspension set to -1.5 degrees camber what kind of tire wear would I expect to see? Right now the car does not have a front sway bar, however I do have one (Addco) to install. I just need to find replacement bushings. If -1.5 is such a good number why didn't Triumph use that number? Will adding a sway bar up front make that much difference for a street use TR4? Living in Kentucky there are plenty of roads for me to test the various changes made to the front suspension! Coincidentally, while playing with tire pressures the other day I found that the gauge I had been using (one of those cheap sticks with the rod that pops out) was reading about 3 psi low. So when I thought I had 28 psi in the tires I only had 25. I didn't realize those sticks were that inaccurate. Using a digital gauge I've found that 32 psi seems to be a reasonable number. Thanks, Brad From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 2 12:00:38 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 20:00:38 +0200 Subject: [Fot] castor, camber, toe-in and all things mysterious In-Reply-To: <1341250168.23381072@mail.141.com> References: <1341250168.23381072@mail.141.com> Message-ID: <001001cd587c$977db780$c6792680$@com> When our cars were young they focused on easy steering. With positive camber the car has less forces on the steering wheel. You see even F1 cars with positive camber. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von brad.kahler at 141.com Gesendet: Montag, 2. Juli 2012 19:29 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] castor, camber, toe-in and all things mysterious Ok, The discussion recently on whether I might have a toe-in problem on my street TR4 raised a few other questions that Ibm guessing can be answered by the group. While doing a little research on the subject I found this interesting comment from Wikipedia, b Off-road vehicles such as agricultural tractors generally use positive camber.b Somehow this seemed appropriate, after all we are talking about cars with tractor engines :) Looking at the numbers used by Triumph for the various models: TR4 Caster = 3 deg + Camber = 2 deg + Toe-in = 1/8b Swivel pin = 7 deg TR4A/250 Caster = 2-3/4 deg + Camber = 1/2 deg + Toe-in = 1/16b Swivel pin = 8-1/2 deg TR6 Caster = 2-3/4 deg + Camber = 1/2 deg + Toe-in = 1/16b Swivel pin = 9 deg Ibm not sure what the Swivel pin reference means. Ibve not seen that term used before regarding the front suspension. >From reading the archives it seems the most common preference for camber is -1.5 degrees. Assuming I managed to get the suspension set to -1.5 degrees camber what kind of tire wear would I expect to see? Right now the car does not have a front sway bar, however I do have one (Addco) to install. I just need to find replacement bushings. If -1.5 is such a good number why didn't Triumph use that number? Will adding a sway bar up front make that much difference for a street use TR4? Living in Kentucky there are plenty of roads for me to test the various changes made to the front suspension! Coincidentally, while playing with tire pressures the other day I found that the gauge I had been using (one of those cheap sticks with the rod that pops out) was reading about 3 psi low. So when I thought I had 28 psi in the tires I only had 25. I didn't realize those sticks were that inaccurate. Using a digital gauge I've found that 32 psi seems to be a reasonable number. Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From Catpusher at aol.com Mon Jul 2 15:29:16 2012 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 17:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 Message-ID: <26cb6.786dbb1.3d236cac@aol.com> For road racing, weight high up and towards the front is the top priority. For TR2 & 3 vintage racers, the first 555 TR2s built had alloy bonnets and boot lids fitted as standard, so these have always been legal, if you can find them. I spent thousands of hours taking weight off our TR3, and with SCCA safety equipment, it was down to 1700 lbs. Many fuel cell regs. allow moving from the standard location, so it is a good example of moving required items to lower the CG and polar moment. Feel free to send a copy of your list. In terms of safety, there is no safer way to race than jumping into the lead and then extending it. TR Regards, Hardy From: "Barry Munson" To: Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 Message-ID: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Amici - As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: Engine - 61.0 lbs Chassis - 11.0 lbs Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will forward one immediately From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 16:59:29 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 17:59:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] castor, camber, toe-in and all things mysterious In-Reply-To: <1341250168.23381072@mail.141.com> References: <1341250168.23381072@mail.141.com> Message-ID: <43B5ECAE-7E24-4049-B38A-876386EA155C@gmail.com> Brad, I think "swivel pin" refers to the virtual kingpin inclination angle (note that the change from 2 deg + camber to 1/2 deg + between the TR4 and TR4a alters the swivel pin angle by 1-1/2 degree). That would be an imaginary line drawn through both the top and bottom swivel point, be it a trunnion or ball joint. 1.5 degrees negative should not drastically alter tire life on a street car. Note that addition of an anti-sway bar on the front, while it will cause the car to heel over less, it will also INCREASE understeer, and adding a heavier aftermarket bar will increase understeer even more. If you are trying to keep the body roll under control but didn't like the plowing sensation you were getting before, you might want to evaluate the benefit of adding a rear anti-sway bar also, which would counteract the understeer added in by the front anti-sway bar. Duncan (Texas) From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jul 2 12:18:01 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 11:18:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] castor, camber, toe-in and all things mysterious In-Reply-To: <1341250168.23381072@mail.141.com> References: <1341250168.23381072@mail.141.com> Message-ID: <03d001cd587f$04bb5850$0e3208f0$@rr.com> > Ib m not sure > what the Swivel pin reference means. Ib ve not seen that term used > before > regarding the front suspension. I believe it refers to the inclination of the steering axis towards the center of the car, more commonly called King Pin inclination (even though these suspensions don't have king pins). In other words, castor tips the axis from front to rear, while king pin/swivel pin tips it left or right. Triumph presumably used positive camber because it had "always been done that way". If I remember correctly, bias-ply tires either liked positive camber or didn't care as much; radials are more sensitive. And while I'll certainly agree that negative works better, the stock geometry isn't all that bad. > Will adding a sway bar > up front make that much difference for a street use TR4? It's easy enough to add, my suggestion is to try it for yourself. If you don't like it, take it off. I certainly miss it on my street TR3 (had to take it off when I put on the proper early front apron, as the bumper brackets are different and the bar mounts to those brackets). -- Randall From rfdeanes at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 05:47:50 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 07:47:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cool Video that I wish I had made! In-Reply-To: References: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <51E455C3-29EC-4C50-B81E-58AE2F5099E6@comcast.net> Message-ID: That was very good and truely some work on both ends...video and building the motor...great music to go with the work. On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:43 PM, MARKANDGLENDA PENDERGRASS < mpendy at dishmail.net> wrote: > Now that was truely a piece of artwork!!!...........thanks > MJP > > On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Steven Groh wrote: > > > Love it!!! > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 29, 2012, at 4:19 PM, steve wrote: > > > > > http://youtu.be/daVDrGsaDME > > > > > > ~STEVE > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1 at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jul 3 10:03:24 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:03:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 In-Reply-To: <26cb6.786dbb1.3d236cac@aol.com> References: <26cb6.786dbb1.3d236cac@aol.com> Message-ID: What do you do about the 1950 Lb. mim. Weight requirement followed by SVRA and most of the other groups with which I race??? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Catpusher at aol.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 5:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 For road racing, weight high up and towards the front is the top priority. For TR2 & 3 vintage racers, the first 555 TR2s built had alloy bonnets and boot lids fitted as standard, so these have always been legal, if you can find them. I spent thousands of hours taking weight off our TR3, and with SCCA safety equipment, it was down to 1700 lbs. Many fuel cell regs. allow moving from the standard location, so it is a good example of moving required items to lower the CG and polar moment. Feel free to send a copy of your list. In terms of safety, there is no safer way to race than jumping into the lead and then extending it. TR Regards, Hardy From: "Barry Munson" To: Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 Message-ID: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Amici - As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: Engine - 61.0 lbs Chassis - 11.0 lbs Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will forward one immediately _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 3 10:12:26 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 18:12:26 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 In-Reply-To: References: <26cb6.786dbb1.3d236cac@aol.com> Message-ID: <003501cd5936$a447b000$ecd71000$@com> As we build up our own rules be independent from FIA historic we are allowed to run 1714 lbs for a TR 4. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von john hasty Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Juli 2012 18:03 An: Catpusher at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 What do you do about the 1950 Lb. mim. Weight requirement followed by SVRA and most of the other groups with which I race??? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Catpusher at aol.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 5:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 For road racing, weight high up and towards the front is the top priority. For TR2 & 3 vintage racers, the first 555 TR2s built had alloy bonnets and boot lids fitted as standard, so these have always been legal, if you can find them. I spent thousands of hours taking weight off our TR3, and with SCCA safety equipment, it was down to 1700 lbs. Many fuel cell regs. allow moving from the standard location, so it is a good example of moving required items to lower the CG and polar moment. Feel free to send a copy of your list. In terms of safety, there is no safer way to race than jumping into the lead and then extending it. TR Regards, Hardy From: "Barry Munson" To: Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 Message-ID: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Amici - As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: Engine - 61.0 lbs Chassis - 11.0 lbs Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will forward one immediately _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From gp89 at charter.net Tue Jul 3 11:09:59 2012 From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 13:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spring cleaning Message-ID: <16d05984.a6aed.1384dd1ed97.Webtop.43@charter.net> With the temps heading near 100 in southern Wi. it didn't seem like a good idea to be painting outside. Since the shop has a.c. cleaning up a little sounds like a better idea. Before I put some items on ebay I thought someone here might be interested. I have an early Spit differential with 4:55 gears. It is welded but has some light damage to the pinion. It still turns easy. I will include a n.o.s. ring and pinion. Next is a Stahl header for an 1147 Spit light surface rust but in good condition. To help loose some weight you can't shake I have an aluminum bell housing. It is the thick ribbed one. This is also very good, it is notched for the Stahl header. I also have a couple of de-arched rear springs. I live a little north of Blackhawk farms if that helps. Contact me off list for details. Jeff Senty From jason at multivintage.com Tue Jul 3 11:12:09 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:12:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mitty Articles Message-ID: Hey Guys and Gals. Happy Independence Day. Perhaps your tired of hearing about the Kastner Cup and the Mitty, but here is a link to my clubs latest newsletter. There are two rather detailed articles about that weekend. One is by my friend and racing buddy from his perspective about our group and the trip. (pretty long) Mine is a little shorter.... and there's lots of cool photos, thanks to some Fot'ers for pictures of my car from the same spot 40 years apart! Check out the online mag "The Rod Knock" you'll find them in there http://nsscc.org/files/rod_knock/RK2012Jun.pdf Have a good 4th! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jul 3 20:19:36 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 21:19:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 In-Reply-To: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> References: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Message-ID: <4FF3A838.3040803@pobox.com> The previous owner of my TR3 (now John Hasty's) cut out the entire spare tire carrier sheet metal when he installed a fuel cell. That was a lot of sheet metal and weight removed. The car weighed about 1925 lbs even though it had some other heavy components on it. As with most POs he did the job very poorly and removed all the structural integrity also, but I was able to redo it to give structural integrity along with the weight reduction. Don't really know whether it was legal, except that most organization want it to weigh 2000 lbs. Larry On 7/1/2012 6:01 PM, Barry Munson wrote: > Amici - > > As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process > from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of > the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of > weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the > weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the > majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either > safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the > addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing > the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What > I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for > stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of > the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I > have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring > bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has > been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. > > The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: > > Engine - 61.0 lbs > > Chassis - 11.0 lbs > > Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the > components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. > > > > I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this > reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net > therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will > forward one immediately. I can also supply the source and cost for any of > the components. I have checked the archives for such a compilation and > couldn't find one - that doesn't necessarily mean that it's not there.. > > > > Barry. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From bkahler1 at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 09:33:27 2012 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 11:33:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] test Message-ID: Just changing emails From donmarshall at nefcom.net Wed Jul 4 10:30:35 2012 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 12:30:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 kit In-Reply-To: References: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E09453D37397DD3@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> Message-ID: > I have a '75 TR6 body, frame and engine (disassembled) for sale. If > anyone is looking to build a TR6 vintage race car this would be an > excellent start. See details below. Also, it would be a very good > replacement for a rusted out restoration project. $2,500 for everything. > > ** ** > > The body was stripped and painted about 15 years ago, and has been in > storage since. The floors were replaced but not finish painted inside so > there's a little very minor surface rust. I have receipts for about $6,000 > that was spent on the body and paint alone. It looks really good for a race > car or even as a replacement for someone's rusted out TR6 street car. > There's one small area of rust at the bottom of the rear valance and a few > scratches from being moved around on dollies, but otherwise the body is > very good. The body is off the frame right now. I'll have to put it back > to roll it onto someone's trailer.**** > > ** ** > > The frame appears to be solid, and was adapted for tube shocks on the > rear, but I'm not sure which version. There has been some work done where > the trailing arms are attached to reinforce that area.**** > > ** ** > > The engine has been disassembled and the transmission is non-overdrive > (condition unknown). I will include a spare disassembled engine (minus the > head and carbs), plus an extra frame that needs lots of work plus whatever > other TR6 stuff I have. There may be missing pieces that won't matter to a > race car or would be available from another TR6 that someone is replacing > the body on. The car is located in northeast Florida, near Jacksonville. > Don Marshall 904-259-9668 if you have any questions. You can see pictures > of the body at > https://picasaweb.google.com/107929701240347359715?authkey=Gv1sRgCLvKw9CS_ai29AE > **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Jul 4 15:21:54 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 17:21:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace Message-ID: <4FF4B3F2.2020000@cfl.rr.com> I recall someone mentioned making the brace between the spring turrets adjustable or knew someone selling them made up. Anyone help appreciated. Bob TR3 in progress. From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 4 19:49:09 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 21:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace ADJUSTABLE ALUMINUM CAMBER CONTROL ROD. In-Reply-To: <4FF4B3F2.2020000@cfl.rr.com> References: <4FF4B3F2.2020000@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <8CF2867811CD070-132C-2343B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> Bob, et.al. We have the design in place to produce them and have the prototypes on the TR4 #197 and the AMBRO. And they have been on there for several years. If there was enough interest and advance orders, maybe we could talk Sean into doing a production run. There is some adjustability available...Kas says he did this by cutting a section out and rewelding. These are anodized aluminum tubes with heim joints and set up for easy removal to clear the engine block. Nice looking piece, too. Sean was mulling over the design so it would fit street cars and clear the fan. That's where the project stalled out. Let me know your interest and I will make a plea to SEAN. 10 POSITVE RESPONSES might do it. I was estimating about $100 retail for a ready to install kit. I think there are a couple pictures on photobucket.com/ambro Thanks for the inquiry Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Davis To: fot Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2012 8:18 pm Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace I recall someone mentioned making the brace between the spring turrets adjustable or knew someone selling them made up. Anyone help appreciated. Bob TR3 in progress. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 4 20:00:38 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 22:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace ADJUSTABLE ALUMINUM CAMBER CONTROL ROD. In-Reply-To: <8CF2867811CD070-132C-2343B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> References: <4FF4B3F2.2020000@cfl.rr.com> <8CF2867811CD070-132C-2343B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF28691B918910-132C-234C3@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> The pictures ARE on photobucket.com/ambro. There are four pictures The computer generated drawing is more representative of the final bracket design. And Sean has run of few of those, but needs to make a couple minor change to be production ready. We could likely run 25 kits in production and still be cost effective with it. Let us know if there is an interest. Otherwise, the project will remain dormant Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: rdavis4 ; fot Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2012 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace ADJUSTABLE ALUMINUM CAMBER CONTROL ROD. Bob, et.al. We have the design in place to produce them and have the prototypes on the TR4 #197 and the AMBRO. And they have been on there for several years. If there was enough interest and advance orders, maybe we could talk Sean into doing a production run. There is some adjustability available...Kas says he did this by cutting a section out and rewelding. These are anodized aluminum tubes with heim joints and set up for easy removal to clear the engine block. Nice looking piece, too. Sean was mulling over the design so it would fit street cars and clear the fan. That's where the project stalled out. Let me know your interest and I will make a plea to SEAN. 10 POSITVE RESPONSES might do it. I was estimating about $100 retail for a ready to install kit. I think there are a couple pictures on photobucket.com/ambro Thanks for the inquiry Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Davis To: fot Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2012 8:18 pm Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace I recall someone mentioned making the brace between the spring turrets adjustable or knew someone selling them made up. Anyone help appreciated. Bob TR3 in progress. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Jul 4 20:10:25 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 22:10:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace ADJUSTABLE ALUMINUM CAMBER CONTROL ROD. In-Reply-To: <8CF2867811CD070-132C-2343B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> References: <4FF4B3F2.2020000@cfl.rr.com> <8CF2867811CD070-132C-2343B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4FF4F791.5060908@cfl.rr.com> Count me in if it fits a TR3 frame. Bob On 7/4/12 9:49 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Bob, et.al. > > We have the design in place to produce them and have the prototypes on > the TR4 #197 and the AMBRO. And they have been on there for several years. > > If there was enough interest and advance orders, maybe we could talk > Sean into doing a production run. > > There is some adjustability available...Kas says he did this by > cutting a section out and rewelding. > > These are anodized aluminum tubes with heim joints and set up for easy > removal to clear the engine block. > > Nice looking piece, too. > > Sean was mulling over the design so it would fit street cars and clear > the fan. That's where the project stalled out. Let me know your > interest and I will make a plea to SEAN. 10 POSITVE RESPONSES might > do it. > > I was estimating about $100 retail for a ready to install kit. I > think there are a couple pictures on photobucket.com/ambro > > Thanks for the inquiry > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Davis > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2012 8:18 pm > Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace > > I recall someone mentioned making the brace between the spring turrets > adjustable or knew someone selling them made up. Anyone help appreciated. > > Bob > TR3 in progress. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive:http://www.team.net/archive > Forums:http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jul 4 22:07:26 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 21:07:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace ADJUSTABLE ALUMINUM CAMBER CONTROL ROD. In-Reply-To: <4FF4F791.5060908@cfl.rr.com> References: <4FF4B3F2.2020000@cfl.rr.com><8CF2867811CD070-132C-2343B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> <4FF4F791.5060908@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <028101cd5a63$b028d2e0$0601a8c0@randall> > Count me in if it fits a TR3 frame. Me too. But I think the TR3 is at least an inch or two narrower at that point, so it would take quite a bit of range to cover both. -- Randall From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jul 5 06:18:21 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 08:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace ADJUSTABLE ALUMINUM CAMBER CONTROL ROD. In-Reply-To: <028101cd5a63$b028d2e0$0601a8c0@randall> References: <4FF4B3F2.2020000@cfl.rr.com><8CF2867811CD070-132C-2343B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> <4FF4F791.5060908@cfl.rr.com> <028101cd5a63$b028d2e0$0601a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <8CF28BF661C5E6B-9D0-2578F@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> There would be two lengths of threaded tubes, one for TR3 and one for TR4. After that there are differences with the bolt patterns of the mounting brackets. The biggest obstacle is moving it up in priorities for the initial production run. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: 'Joe Alexander' Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2012 11:07 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace ADJUSTABLE ALUMINUM CAMBER CONTROL ROD. > Count me in if it fits a TR3 frame. Me too. But I think the TR3 is at least an inch or two narrower at that point, so it would take quite a bit of range to cover both. -- Randall From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 06:37:45 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 07:37:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Texas TR engine/trans Message-ID: <54CE5235-7899-4804-930E-3EAEEF86EEB0@gmail.com> Hi guys -- Kramer and Blake types might want to check this out -- a TR engine block and transmission (probably a non-synchro first gear, TR3 transmission but he doesn't say) in South Padre. Block and transmission plus engine stand for $250 -- but no head and no crankshaft. Duncan From fpspitfire at comcast.net Thu Jul 5 11:20:43 2012 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (Aaron Johnson) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 13:20:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Needed: right front headlight surround for mk4/1500 Message-ID: <69FF1E5C-BCBC-436D-82DC-7749F9827EA5@comcast.net> I need a right side aluminium headlight surround from a 1500 or mk4. I broke mine in the altercation with a miata. Something close to Illinois would be good. Next day air better :) Aaron From triosan at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 12:22:47 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 11:22:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mitty Articles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks JAson, great articles and pictures by both of you. I especially enjoyed the comparison pictures of your car over a 40 year time span -- same color, same turn! On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Hey Guys and Gals. > Happy Independence Day. > Perhaps your tired of hearing about the Kastner Cup and the Mitty, but here > is a link to my clubs latest newsletter. There are two rather detailed > articles about that weekend. > One is by my friend and racing buddy from his perspective about our group > and the trip. (pretty long) > Mine is a little shorter.... and there's lots of cool photos, thanks to > some Fot'ers for pictures of my car from the same spot 40 years apart! > > Check out the online mag "The Rod Knock" you'll find them in there > http://nsscc.org/files/rod_knock/RK2012Jun.pdf > > Have a good 4th! > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From jhd11 at hotmail.com Fri Jul 6 07:46:52 2012 From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 13:46:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car Message-ID: Not Triumph related but please be on the lookout for my stolen MG Midget race car. Car is a full race EMRA/SCCA car with a full cage and a 1275 engine. A distinguishing feature is an add on bar to the rear hoop for a previous taller driver. Car is yellow (or was!). Also taken was my single axle trailer. Trailer was green/aqua with a tire rack and storage box on the front. The doors were taken off the storage shed and both trailer and car were stolen. Thanks in advance. Joe Downer Charlotte, N.C. 800-332-2486 From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue Jul 3 10:16:54 2012 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 Message-ID: <518c.24422c00.3d2474f6@aol.com> That's where you get to put the ballast where your corner weights are asking for it. In a message dated 7/3/2012 9:06:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: What do you do about the 1950 Lb. mim. Weight requirement followed by SVRA and most of the other groups with which I race??? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Catpusher at aol.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 5:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 For road racing, weight high up and towards the front is the top priority. For TR2 & 3 vintage racers, the first 555 TR2s built had alloy bonnets and boot lids fitted as standard, so these have always been legal, if you can find them. I spent thousands of hours taking weight off our TR3, and with SCCA safety equipment, it was down to 1700 lbs. Many fuel cell regs. allow moving from the standard location, so it is a good example of moving required items to lower the CG and polar moment. Feel free to send a copy of your list. In terms of safety, there is no safer way to race than jumping into the lead and then extending it. TR Regards, Hardy From: "Barry Munson" To: Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 Message-ID: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Amici - As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: Engine - 61.0 lbs Chassis - 11.0 lbs Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will forward one immediately _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Jul 6 07:15:42 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 09:15:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hacked email address book Message-ID: Somebody hacked into my email this morning and sent a link out to everybody in my contacts. If you got an email from me with a link but no text PLEASE do not open it. I apologize for the inconvenience. I am working on fixing the issue. Marty Sukey From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Fri Jul 6 20:45:05 2012 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 19:45:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 HS 6 hesitation questions from the Portland Historic race Message-ID: Maybe the collective FOT Group might have some thoughts. I am having what appears to be a loading of one of the Carbs. I have a lot of triumph brain trust around me. It only happens in medium speed left handers (coming out of the chicagne and turn 6. I had a similar problem in Seattle last week. Although I didn't have problems in other left hand turns there. So what have I done. Checked the floats and float needles. All good Checked float needles. Set fine. I run trans fluid in the dampners ( my dyno guy wants me to) I found the levels to be waydifferent - corrected that for tomorrow. Jeff Quick found a frayed wire in the distributor. Replaced Fuel pressure 2.7psi Any other thoughts? Runs great down the straights and fine in right handers. Thanks. Mike. Sent from my Kindle Fire From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jul 7 04:56:17 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:56:17 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen 14.-15. July In-Reply-To: References: <26cb6.786dbb1.3d236cac@aol.com>, , , , <003501cd5936$a447b000$ecd71000$@com>, , <349508849-1341353763-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-490059023-@b18.c2.bise7.blackberry> , <003101cd5a1a$30c57970$92506c50$@com> , <000c01cd5b9b$069e2b60$13da8220$@com> , <000601cd5bb3$9d441210$d7cc3630$@com> Message-ID: <000c01cd5c2f$23bc1740$6b3445c0$@com> I'm preparing for a stressing race event at Assen.....a smooth and fast track in the north of the Netherlands. 5 races I'll do. 3 with Triumph Competition and two with the Morgan guys. I'll compete in a Morgan 4-cylinder race against Morgan SLR and such cars with drivers like Keith Ahlers. Will be my first try on Dunlop racing tires which will qualify me for the rear part of the grid I suppose. Cheers Chris From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sat Jul 7 06:16:36 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 07:16:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Assen 14.-15. July In-Reply-To: <000c01cd5c2f$23bc1740$6b3445c0$@com> References: <26cb6.786dbb1.3d236cac@aol.com>, , , , <003501cd5936$a447b000$ecd71000$@com>, , <349508849-1341353763-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-490059023-@b18.c2.bise7.blackberry> , <003101cd5a1a$30c57970$92506c50$@com> , <000c01cd5b9b$069e2b60$13da8220$@com> , <000601cd5bb3$9d441210$d7cc3630$@com> <000c01cd5c2f$23bc1740$6b3445c0$@com> Message-ID: Keith's pretty fast from what I can tell. Will TOK 258, the LeMans class winning Morgan from 1962, be there also? I've lost track of who owns it now. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 Red #6 On Jul 7, 2012, at 5:56 AM, MadMarx wrote: > I'm preparing for a stressing race event at Assen.....a smooth and fast > track in the north of the Netherlands. > > 5 races I'll do. 3 with Triumph Competition and two with the Morgan guys. > > I'll compete in a Morgan 4-cylinder race against Morgan SLR and such cars > with drivers like Keith Ahlers. > > Will be my first try on Dunlop racing tires which will qualify me for the > rear part of the grid I suppose. > > Cheers > Chris From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jul 7 07:16:37 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 09:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" KAS KASTNER & THE TRIUMPH USA COMPETITIONS DEPARTMENT Message-ID: <8CF2A59DF8B7477-E48-38644@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> CALIFORNIA AIR is an extraordinary documentary on our competition Triumphs ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------- This is a professionally done DVD production with Kas Kastner telling us of his years with TRIUMPH. There's significant archival pictures and film footage contained within, along with extensive interviews with Kas Kastner, but it is liberally wrapped around the 10th Running of the KASTNER CUP at ROAD ATLANTA. Find out how the TRIUMPH FACTORY discovered the reality of KASTNER'S "CALIFORNIA AIR". Listen to first hand accounts of the attention to detail that made TRIUMPHS winners in the 60s If you entered THE MITTY, see your TRIUMPH in the paddock, on the grid, and at speed on the track. And of course you will see the Presentation of the Kastner Cup, as well as the long awaited reunion of Kas Kastner & Bob Tullius. Advance copies are being made available to the FOT through the producer, John Clancy of the UK. If you are interested in a copy of this historically significant DVD, please respond to me and I will provide the necessary information, including a picture of the DVD cover. You will find the picture on the DVD CASE an artistic achievement on it's own. Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sat Jul 7 10:02:57 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 12:02:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" KAS KASTNER & THE TRIUMPH USA COMPETITIONS DEPARTMENT References: <8CF2A59DF8B7477-E48-38644@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2241DE28CF7E4ED5B40E5AD8FC84EAE1@owner8914bbf7f> Joe, sign me up for one. I'm headed to BeaveRun next weekend; anyone else going? I finally got my lift in and it works great. No more rolling around on the floor! Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" KAS KASTNER & THE TRIUMPH USA COMPETITIONS DEPARTMENT > CALIFORNIA AIR is an extraordinary documentary on our competition > Triumphs > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------- > > This is a professionally done DVD production with Kas Kastner telling us > of > his years with TRIUMPH. > > There's significant archival pictures and film footage contained within, > along > with extensive interviews with Kas Kastner, but it is liberally wrapped > around > the 10th Running of the KASTNER CUP at ROAD ATLANTA. > > Find out how the TRIUMPH FACTORY discovered the reality of KASTNER'S > "CALIFORNIA AIR". > > Listen to first hand accounts of the attention to detail that made > TRIUMPHS > winners in the 60s > > If you entered THE MITTY, see your TRIUMPH in the paddock, on the grid, > and at > speed on the track. > > And of course you will see the Presentation of the Kastner Cup, as well as > the > long awaited reunion of Kas Kastner & Bob Tullius. > > Advance copies are being made available to the FOT through the producer, > John > Clancy of the UK. > > If you are interested in a copy of this historically significant DVD, > please > respond to me and I will provide the necessary information, including a > picture of the DVD cover. > > You will find the picture on the DVD CASE an artistic achievement on it's > own. > > > > > Joe Alexander > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jul 7 10:13:02 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FACEBOOK DVD INSERT PICTURE POSTED Message-ID: <8CF2A7284893B03-E48-3902F@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> If you are on FACEBOOK: JOSEPH H ALEXANDER FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH Both of those locations will show you the full insert on the DVD...Take note of some of the folks seen on it. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Jul 7 10:51:14 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:51:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 HS 6 hesitation questions from the Portland Historic race In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike. I think you have just confirmed that you have all of the benefits offered by Skinners Union. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 6, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > Maybe the collective FOT Group might have some thoughts. > > I am having what appears to be a loading of one of the Carbs. I have a lot of triumph brain trust around me. It only happens in medium speed left handers (coming out of the chicagne and turn 6. I had a similar problem in Seattle last week. Although I didn't have problems in other left hand turns there. > So what have I done. > Checked the floats and float needles. All good > Checked float needles. Set fine. > I run trans fluid in the dampners ( my dyno guy wants me to) I found the levels to be waydifferent - corrected that for tomorrow. > Jeff Quick found a frayed wire in the distributor. Replaced > Fuel pressure 2.7psi > > Any other thoughts? > > Runs great down the straights and fine in right handers. > > Thanks. > > Mike. > > Sent from my Kindle Fire > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Jul 7 11:33:44 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 13:33:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" KAS KASTNER & THE TRIUMPH USA COMPETITIONS DEPARTMENT In-Reply-To: <2241DE28CF7E4ED5B40E5AD8FC84EAE1@owner8914bbf7f> References: <8CF2A59DF8B7477-E48-38644@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com>, <2241DE28CF7E4ED5B40E5AD8FC84EAE1@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: I'll be there Friday for sure. Possibly Sunday. Just spectating of course so you wont need your air horns. Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net > To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:02:57 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" KAS KASTNER & THE TRIUMPH USA COMPETITIONS DEPARTMENT > > Joe, sign me up for one. > I'm headed to BeaveRun next weekend; anyone else going? > I finally got my lift in and it works great. No more rolling around on the > floor! > Cheers, Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Alexander" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 9:16 AM > Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" KAS KASTNER & THE TRIUMPH USA COMPETITIONS > DEPARTMENT > > > > CALIFORNIA AIR is an extraordinary documentary on our competition > > Triumphs > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------- > > > > This is a professionally done DVD production with Kas Kastner telling us > > of > > his years with TRIUMPH. > > > > There's significant archival pictures and film footage contained within, > > along > > with extensive interviews with Kas Kastner, but it is liberally wrapped > > around > > the 10th Running of the KASTNER CUP at ROAD ATLANTA. > > > > Find out how the TRIUMPH FACTORY discovered the reality of KASTNER'S > > "CALIFORNIA AIR". > > > > Listen to first hand accounts of the attention to detail that made > > TRIUMPHS > > winners in the 60s > > > > If you entered THE MITTY, see your TRIUMPH in the paddock, on the grid, > > and at > > speed on the track. > > > > And of course you will see the Presentation of the Kastner Cup, as well as > > the > > long awaited reunion of Kas Kastner & Bob Tullius. > > > > Advance copies are being made available to the FOT through the producer, > > John > > Clancy of the UK. > > > > If you are interested in a copy of this historically significant DVD, > > please > > respond to me and I will provide the necessary information, including a > > picture of the DVD cover. > > > > You will find the picture on the DVD CASE an artistic achievement on it's > > own. > > > > > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jul 7 12:11:57 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 14:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" ORDER DETAILS FOR THE FOT Message-ID: <8CF2A83218BC1D7-E48-3A2B4@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH I knew something special was happening when Kas brought John Clancy by at THE MITTY. But didnt know the extent of it until I got a package from the U.K. CALIFORNIA AIR......... $28 IN NORTH AMERICA, including packaging and shipping. PAYMENT BY PAYPAL OR PERSONAL CHECK PAYPAL = N197TR4 at CS.COM or USD to address below. DVD insert picture posted to my FB and will attempt to post with link...not sure how to do that. yet Discs are being posted Today or Monday from the UK I will be doing an EXCEL SPREADSHEET to keep track of this. I will be doing final assembly of the insert to the case and then seal the case and then package and label. So I am saying that shipping will start 1 August 2012, although surely it will be before that. This is an exceptional piece...it's fascinating getting the scoop from the guy who made it happen with the TRIUMPH FACTORY. No hearsay here. And then it all gets wrapped around archival pictures, other interviews, and the 10th Running of The Kastner Cup at ROAD ATLANTA. Thanks John Clancy. Best Regards, Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sat Jul 7 16:01:15 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 17:01:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 HS 6 hesitation questions from the Portland Historic race In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <100F454E-AEC3-41A3-8300-7B8342696AEC@gmail.com> Mike, You didn't mention whether you have the float bowl tops that hinge the float at the front so that left/right turns don't affect fuel level. Does it matter what rpm range you've been in just prior to the occurrence? Duncan (Texas) On Jul 6, 2012, at 9:45 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > Maybe the collective FOT Group might have some thoughts. > > I am having what appears to be a loading of one of the Carbs. I have a lot of triumph brain trust around me. It only happens in medium speed left handers (coming out of the chicagne and turn 6. I had a similar problem in Seattle last week. Although I didn't have problems in other left hand turns there. > So what have I done. > Checked the floats and float needles. All good > Checked float needles. Set fine. > I run trans fluid in the dampners ( my dyno guy wants me to) I found the levels to be waydifferent - corrected that for tomorrow. > Jeff Quick found a frayed wire in the distributor. Replaced > Fuel pressure 2.7psi > > Any other thoughts? > > Runs great down the straights and fine in right handers. > > Thanks. > > Mike. > > Sent from my Kindle Fire > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Jul 7 17:06:02 2012 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 19:06:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 HS 6 hesitation questions from the Portland Historic race In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: go to: http://www.mgexperience.net/archive/1_3_4_Carb_question/1595231 And scroll down to "November 29, 2010 13:48:32" I think you'll have your answer. --Justin Wagner On Jul 6, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > Maybe the collective FOT Group might have some thoughts. > > I am having what appears to be a loading of one of the Carbs. I have a lot of triumph brain trust around me. It only happens in medium speed left handers (coming out of the chicagne and turn 6. I had a similar problem in Seattle last week. Although I didn't have problems in other left hand turns there. > So what have I done. > Checked the floats and float needles. All good > Checked float needles. Set fine. > I run trans fluid in the dampners ( my dyno guy wants me to) I found the levels to be waydifferent - corrected that for tomorrow. > Jeff Quick found a frayed wire in the distributor. Replaced > Fuel pressure 2.7psi > > Any other thoughts? > > Runs great down the straights and fine in right handers. > > Thanks. > > Mike. > > Sent from my Kindle Fire > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Jul 7 17:18:36 2012 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 19:18:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 HS 6 hesitation questions from the Portland Historic race In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90859BBC-AA45-46A4-A228-36E59231D294@greenheart.com> Also... Any opinion on these gizmos? http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=48222 On Jul 6, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > Maybe the collective FOT Group might have some thoughts. > > I am having what appears to be a loading of one of the Carbs. I have a lot of triumph brain trust around me. It only happens in medium speed left handers (coming out of the chicagne and turn 6. I had a similar problem in Seattle last week. Although I didn't have problems in other left hand turns there. > So what have I done. > Checked the floats and float needles. All good > Checked float needles. Set fine. > I run trans fluid in the dampners ( my dyno guy wants me to) I found the levels to be waydifferent - corrected that for tomorrow. > Jeff Quick found a frayed wire in the distributor. Replaced > Fuel pressure 2.7psi > > Any other thoughts? > > Runs great down the straights and fine in right handers. > > Thanks. > > Mike. > > Sent from my Kindle Fire > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com From bkahler1 at gmail.com Sat Jul 7 18:56:18 2012 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 20:56:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) Message-ID: The old adage: "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" 1) Zero turn mower stopped running because we thought it was out of gas 2) Filled the tank and it wouldn't start 3) Battery runs down from cranking without starting 4) Used truck with jumper cables to try and start with no success 5) Towed mower back to shop (ever try to tow a hydraulic powered zero turn mower when it isn't running? Hint, it's not easy!) 6) Pulled spark plug and verified there was spark, that means its fuel related 7) Pulled fuel line from carburetor and verified flow coming from fuel pump - there was 8) As a test used different electric pump feeding from gas can and still no start 9) Replaced fuel filter just for the heck of it. 10) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to carburetor for removal and rebuild 11) Rebuilt carburetor and also verified fuel shutoff solenoid was functional and re-installed 12) Replaced alternator coil under flywheel while radiator and fan were out of the way 13) Reassembled everything 14) Still doesn't want to start 15) Re-verified that electric fuel pump is pumping fuel - it was 16) As a test I again used a different electric pump feeding from gas can and still no start 17) Decided there must be something wrong with fuel shutoff solenoid 18) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to fuel shutoff solenoid 19) Found only 1.4 vdc at solenoid - figured this was the problem 20) Tracing wire back and found that it comes out of the voltage regulator 21) Assumed voltage regulator was bad and prepared to order replacement 22) Before ordering I had a hunch. My hunch was to check out all of the wiring. I found the connector between the motor and the mower harness was deteriorating and crumbling. This allowed the wire going to the fuel shutoff solenoid to slip out of its socket and was only barely making contact which accounted for the 1.4 vdc. The wire that fed the ignition coil in that same plastic connector was still making contact which is why the spark plugs had spark. All of the symptoms pointed to a fuel flow problem and when you get down to the root cause there was no fuel flow, unfortunately it was because of an electrical problem. When it was all said and done, the mower had not run out of gas and the carburetor didn't need to be rebuilt. I did need to replace the alternator coil under the flywheel so at some point I was going to have to pull the radiator and fan assemblies to do that so not all was lost. So getting back to the very first sentence. The old adage "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" appears to have merit. I hope your Saturday went better than mind did :) Brad From bownes at seiri.com Sat Jul 7 19:25:55 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 21:25:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9BA39946-3998-4545-ABC0-6F62ADB79AB7@seiri.com> Carburetor is French for "leave it alone"! On Jul 7, 2012, at 20:56, Brad Kahler wrote: > The old adage: "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" > > 1) Zero turn mower stopped running because we thought it was out of gas > 2) Filled the tank and it wouldn't start > 3) Battery runs down from cranking without starting > 4) Used truck with jumper cables to try and start with no success > 5) Towed mower back to shop (ever try to tow a hydraulic powered > zero turn mower when it isn't running? Hint, it's not easy!) > 6) Pulled spark plug and verified there was spark, that means its fuel related > 7) Pulled fuel line from carburetor and verified flow coming from > fuel pump - there was > 8) As a test used different electric pump feeding from gas can and > still no start > 9) Replaced fuel filter just for the heck of it. > 10) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to carburetor for > removal and rebuild > 11) Rebuilt carburetor and also verified fuel shutoff solenoid was > functional and re-installed > 12) Replaced alternator coil under flywheel while radiator and fan > were out of the way > 13) Reassembled everything > 14) Still doesn't want to start > 15) Re-verified that electric fuel pump is pumping fuel - it was > 16) As a test I again used a different electric pump feeding from gas > can and still no start > 17) Decided there must be something wrong with fuel shutoff solenoid > 18) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to fuel shutoff solenoid > 19) Found only 1.4 vdc at solenoid - figured this was the problem > 20) Tracing wire back and found that it comes out of the voltage regulator > 21) Assumed voltage regulator was bad and prepared to order replacement > 22) Before ordering I had a hunch. > > My hunch was to check out all of the wiring. I found the connector > between the motor and the mower harness was deteriorating and > crumbling. This allowed the wire going to the fuel shutoff solenoid > to slip out of its socket and was only barely making contact which > accounted for the 1.4 vdc. The wire that fed the ignition coil in > that same plastic connector was still making contact which is why the > spark plugs had spark. All of the symptoms pointed to a fuel flow > problem and when you get down to the root cause there was no fuel > flow, unfortunately it was because of an electrical problem. > > When it was all said and done, the mower had not run out of gas and > the carburetor didn't need to be rebuilt. I did need to replace the > alternator coil under the flywheel so at some point I was going to > have to pull the radiator and fan assemblies to do that so not all was > lost. > > So getting back to the very first sentence. The old adage "Most > carburetor problems are electrical in nature" appears to have merit. > > I hope your Saturday went better than mind did :) > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jul 7 19:44:30 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 18:44:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) References: Message-ID: <4214A27F80A34D60A4171BCB685BA38C@Bud> if you have a distributor, the insulator on the post that holds the spring could have a hairline crack..not easily visible..it will act up sporadicaly...it drove me crazy on a tr6 until a piece of the insulatorflew into the air while i was staring at the dist. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 5:56 PM Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) > The old adage: "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" > > 1) Zero turn mower stopped running because we thought it was out of gas > 2) Filled the tank and it wouldn't start > 3) Battery runs down from cranking without starting > 4) Used truck with jumper cables to try and start with no success > 5) Towed mower back to shop (ever try to tow a hydraulic powered > zero turn mower when it isn't running? Hint, it's not easy!) > 6) Pulled spark plug and verified there was spark, that means its fuel > related > 7) Pulled fuel line from carburetor and verified flow coming from > fuel pump - there was > 8) As a test used different electric pump feeding from gas can and > still no start > 9) Replaced fuel filter just for the heck of it. > 10) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to carburetor for > removal and rebuild > 11) Rebuilt carburetor and also verified fuel shutoff solenoid was > functional and re-installed > 12) Replaced alternator coil under flywheel while radiator and fan > were out of the way > 13) Reassembled everything > 14) Still doesn't want to start > 15) Re-verified that electric fuel pump is pumping fuel - it was > 16) As a test I again used a different electric pump feeding from gas > can and still no start > 17) Decided there must be something wrong with fuel shutoff solenoid > 18) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to fuel shutoff > solenoid > 19) Found only 1.4 vdc at solenoid - figured this was the problem > 20) Tracing wire back and found that it comes out of the voltage regulator > 21) Assumed voltage regulator was bad and prepared to order replacement > 22) Before ordering I had a hunch. > > My hunch was to check out all of the wiring. I found the connector > between the motor and the mower harness was deteriorating and > crumbling. This allowed the wire going to the fuel shutoff solenoid > to slip out of its socket and was only barely making contact which > accounted for the 1.4 vdc. The wire that fed the ignition coil in > that same plastic connector was still making contact which is why the > spark plugs had spark. All of the symptoms pointed to a fuel flow > problem and when you get down to the root cause there was no fuel > flow, unfortunately it was because of an electrical problem. > > When it was all said and done, the mower had not run out of gas and > the carburetor didn't need to be rebuilt. I did need to replace the > alternator coil under the flywheel so at some point I was going to > have to pull the radiator and fan assemblies to do that so not all was > lost. > > So getting back to the very first sentence. The old adage "Most > carburetor problems are electrical in nature" appears to have merit. > > I hope your Saturday went better than mind did :) > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sat Jul 7 20:06:11 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 22:06:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) In-Reply-To: <9BA39946-3998-4545-ABC0-6F62ADB79AB7@seiri.com> References: <9BA39946-3998-4545-ABC0-6F62ADB79AB7@seiri.com> Message-ID: That is so damn funny. LMAO. thanks I needed that! My street GT6 has bumbled and popped to a complete stall at the side of the road 3 times this week, twice today an I've tried the obvious, found what looked to be the problem. When I replaced the fuel filter I noticed the intake fitting on the mechanical pump was very loose so tightened it down and smiled. Seemed better briefly then engine miss-fire continued sporadically then quit again completely100 miles later. Back to the garage for some late night fun I guess. At least it brought me home. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-07, at 9:54 PM, "Bob Bownes -Seiri" wrote: > Carburetor is French for "leave it alone"! > > > > On Jul 7, 2012, at 20:56, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> The old adage: "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" >> >> 1) Zero turn mower stopped running because we thought it was out of gas >> 2) Filled the tank and it wouldn't start >> 3) Battery runs down from cranking without starting >> 4) Used truck with jumper cables to try and start with no success >> 5) Towed mower back to shop (ever try to tow a hydraulic powered >> zero turn mower when it isn't running? Hint, it's not easy!) >> 6) Pulled spark plug and verified there was spark, that means its fuel > related >> 7) Pulled fuel line from carburetor and verified flow coming from >> fuel pump - there was >> 8) As a test used different electric pump feeding from gas can and >> still no start >> 9) Replaced fuel filter just for the heck of it. >> 10) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to carburetor for >> removal and rebuild >> 11) Rebuilt carburetor and also verified fuel shutoff solenoid was >> functional and re-installed >> 12) Replaced alternator coil under flywheel while radiator and fan >> were out of the way >> 13) Reassembled everything >> 14) Still doesn't want to start >> 15) Re-verified that electric fuel pump is pumping fuel - it was >> 16) As a test I again used a different electric pump feeding from gas >> can and still no start >> 17) Decided there must be something wrong with fuel shutoff solenoid >> 18) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to fuel shutoff > solenoid >> 19) Found only 1.4 vdc at solenoid - figured this was the problem >> 20) Tracing wire back and found that it comes out of the voltage regulator >> 21) Assumed voltage regulator was bad and prepared to order replacement >> 22) Before ordering I had a hunch. >> >> My hunch was to check out all of the wiring. I found the connector >> between the motor and the mower harness was deteriorating and >> crumbling. This allowed the wire going to the fuel shutoff solenoid >> to slip out of its socket and was only barely making contact which >> accounted for the 1.4 vdc. The wire that fed the ignition coil in >> that same plastic connector was still making contact which is why the >> spark plugs had spark. All of the symptoms pointed to a fuel flow >> problem and when you get down to the root cause there was no fuel >> flow, unfortunately it was because of an electrical problem. >> >> When it was all said and done, the mower had not run out of gas and >> the carburetor didn't need to be rebuilt. I did need to replace the >> alternator coil under the flywheel so at some point I was going to >> have to pull the radiator and fan assemblies to do that so not all was >> lost. >> >> So getting back to the very first sentence. The old adage "Most >> carburetor problems are electrical in nature" appears to have merit. >> >> I hope your Saturday went better than mind did :) >> >> Brad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jul 7 20:34:59 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 22:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) In-Reply-To: References: <9BA39946-3998-4545-ABC0-6F62ADB79AB7@seiri.com> Message-ID: <8CF2AC96780F033-E48-3F7DA@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> I had a gas grille once that I completely rebuilt and it still didnt work. I replaced the LP tank, and then it worked. At least I didnt have to tow it to the garage. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Vince G To: Bob Bownes -Seiri Cc: Friends of Triumph ; Brad Kahler Sent: Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:27 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) That is so damn funny. LMAO. thanks I needed that! My street GT6 has bumbled and popped to a complete stall at the side of the road 3 times this week, twice today an I've tried the obvious, found what looked to be the problem. When I replaced the fuel filter I noticed the intake fitting on the mechanical pump was very loose so tightened it down and smiled. Seemed better briefly then engine miss-fire continued sporadically then quit again completely100 miles later. Back to the garage for some late night fun I guess. At least it brought me home. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-07, at 9:54 PM, "Bob Bownes -Seiri" wrote: > Carburetor is French for "leave it alone"! > > > > On Jul 7, 2012, at 20:56, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> The old adage: "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" >> >> 1) Zero turn mower stopped running because we thought it was out of gas >> 2) Filled the tank and it wouldn't start >> 3) Battery runs down from cranking without starting >> 4) Used truck with jumper cables to try and start with no success >> 5) Towed mower back to shop (ever try to tow a hydraulic powered >> zero turn mower when it isn't running? Hint, it's not easy!) >> 6) Pulled spark plug and verified there was spark, that means its fuel > related >> 7) Pulled fuel line from carburetor and verified flow coming from >> fuel pump - there was >> 8) As a test used different electric pump feeding from gas can and >> still no start >> 9) Replaced fuel filter just for the heck of it. >> 10) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to carburetor for >> removal and rebuild >> 11) Rebuilt carburetor and also verified fuel shutoff solenoid was >> functional and re-installed >> 12) Replaced alternator coil under flywheel while radiator and fan >> were out of the way >> 13) Reassembled everything >> 14) Still doesn't want to start >> 15) Re-verified that electric fuel pump is pumping fuel - it was >> 16) As a test I again used a different electric pump feeding from gas >> can and still no start >> 17) Decided there must be something wrong with fuel shutoff solenoid >> 18) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to fuel shutoff > solenoid >> 19) Found only 1.4 vdc at solenoid - figured this was the problem >> 20) Tracing wire back and found that it comes out of the voltage regulator >> 21) Assumed voltage regulator was bad and prepared to order replacement >> 22) Before ordering I had a hunch. >> >> My hunch was to check out all of the wiring. I found the connector >> between the motor and the mower harness was deteriorating and >> crumbling. This allowed the wire going to the fuel shutoff solenoid >> to slip out of its socket and was only barely making contact which >> accounted for the 1.4 vdc. The wire that fed the ignition coil in >> that same plastic connector was still making contact which is why the >> spark plugs had spark. All of the symptoms pointed to a fuel flow >> problem and when you get down to the root cause there was no fuel >> flow, unfortunately it was because of an electrical problem. >> >> When it was all said and done, the mower had not run out of gas and >> the carburetor didn't need to be rebuilt. I did need to replace the >> alternator coil under the flywheel so at some point I was going to >> have to pull the radiator and fan assemblies to do that so not all was >> lost. >> >> So getting back to the very first sentence. The old adage "Most >> carburetor problems are electrical in nature" appears to have merit. >> >> I hope your Saturday went better than mind did :) >> >> Brad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From LimeyV8 at aol.com Sun Jul 8 06:13:45 2012 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (Jack Mc) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 08:13:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1D75C41A-8394-49DB-9BDA-A96E4316A3C1@aol.com> Hey Joe I heard the car and trailer have been recovered and the perps arrested ! What's the story? Cheers Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On Jul 6, 2012, at 9:46 AM, Joe Henry wrote: > Not Triumph related but please be on the lookout for my stolen MG Midget > race car. Car is a full race EMRA/SCCA car with a full cage and a 1275 > engine. A distinguishing feature is an add on bar to the rear hoop for a > previous taller driver. Car is yellow (or was!). Also taken was my > single axle trailer. Trailer was green/aqua with a tire rack and > storage box on the front. The doors were taken off the storage shed and > both trailer and car were stolen. Thanks in advance. > > Joe Downer > Charlotte, N.C. > 800-332-2486 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Sun Jul 8 08:50:21 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 07:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Brake problem Message-ID: <1341759021.13472.YahooMailClassic@web162206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Dear fot, I have been recently nominated and seconded as a member and this is my first post I guess I'm supposed to write something about myself first......and I will after RA. My problem is trying to up grade from the early TR3 Calipers to 16P style. I was under the assumption they would work with 10-3/4 rotors but no go. Either the rotor is too large in dia. or I need to grind clearance into the caliper. Anyone been here before that can offer advise? Thanks Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Jul 8 10:14:53 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:14:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Brake problem In-Reply-To: <1341759021.13472.YahooMailClassic@web162206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1341759021.13472.YahooMailClassic@web162206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Welcome aboard Guy. The TR4 type calipers must have the TR4 sized rotors, and TR4 caliper mounting brackets. I'm still contemplating this swap for my TR3 street car, as I'm tired of the chirping pads as I run down the road. Terry Stetler From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Sun Jul 8 11:44:35 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 10:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1341769475.71535.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I chased a "fuel problem" for a year and a half only to finally determine that the cause of my problem was the brand new Accel coil that never worked right from day one. In that episode, the most important lesson I learned is to use one of those inline spark indicators and see what the spark is doing right at the time of failure. ________________________________ From: Brad Kahler To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sat, July 7, 2012 6:23:02 PM Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) The old adage: "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" 1) Zero turn mower stopped running because we thought it was out of gas 2) Filled the tank and it wouldn't start 3) Battery runs down from cranking without starting 4) Used truck with jumper cables to try and start with no success 5) Towed mower back to shop (ever try to tow a hydraulic powered zero turn mower when it isn't running? Hint, it's not easy!) 6) Pulled spark plug and verified there was spark, that means its fuel related 7) Pulled fuel line from carburetor and verified flow coming from fuel pump - there was 8) As a test used different electric pump feeding from gas can and still no start 9) Replaced fuel filter just for the heck of it. 10) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to carburetor for removal and rebuild 11) Rebuilt carburetor and also verified fuel shutoff solenoid was functional and re-installed 12) Replaced alternator coil under flywheel while radiator and fan were out of the way 13) Reassembled everything 14) Still doesn't want to start 15) Re-verified that electric fuel pump is pumping fuel - it was 16) As a test I again used a different electric pump feeding from gas can and still no start 17) Decided there must be something wrong with fuel shutoff solenoid 18) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to fuel shutoff solenoid 19) Found only 1.4 vdc at solenoid - figured this was the problem 20) Tracing wire back and found that it comes out of the voltage regulator 21) Assumed voltage regulator was bad and prepared to order replacement 22) Before ordering I had a hunch. My hunch was to check out all of the wiring. I found the connector between the motor and the mower harness was deteriorating and crumbling. This allowed the wire going to the fuel shutoff solenoid to slip out of its socket and was only barely making contact which accounted for the 1.4 vdc. The wire that fed the ignition coil in that same plastic connector was still making contact which is why the spark plugs had spark. All of the symptoms pointed to a fuel flow problem and when you get down to the root cause there was no fuel flow, unfortunately it was because of an electrical problem. When it was all said and done, the mower had not run out of gas and the carburetor didn't need to be rebuilt. I did need to replace the alternator coil under the flywheel so at some point I was going to have to pull the radiator and fan assemblies to do that so not all was lost. So getting back to the very first sentence. The old adage "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" appears to have merit. I hope your Saturday went better than mind did :) Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Sun Jul 8 13:10:44 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Brake problem In-Reply-To: <000501cd5d34$9d83de40$d88b9ac0$@ca> Message-ID: <1341774644.98965.YahooMailClassic@web162203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Thanks to all that replied. The consensus is that I need TR4 brackets for this to work. Pretty unlikely that I can source before the HAWK. Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Sun, 7/8/12, Barry Munson wrote: From: Barry Munson Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3 Brake problem To: "'Guy Morter'" Date: Sunday, July 8, 2012, 6:07 PM Hi Guy - I just made the change on my 1959 TR3A - parts required - TR4-6 rotors and mounting brackets. Persevere it's worth it from a couple of perspectives - unsprung weight saving (6.5 lbs per side), availability of performance options (pads, etc.) is much better, all without any decrease in braking performance. Barry. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Guy Morter Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 8:50 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 Brake problem Dear fot, I have been recently nominated and seconded as a member and this is my first post I guess I'm supposed to write something about myself first......and I will after RA. My problem is trying to up grade from the early TR3 Calipers to 16P style. I was under the assumption they would work with 10-3/4 rotors but no go. Either the rotor is too large in dia. or I need to grind clearance into the caliper. Anyone been here before that can offer advise? Thanks Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/barry at penybryn.ca From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 9 07:09:27 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" 'Trailer' now on-line In-Reply-To: References: <8CF28168FF043D1-132C-1EB0B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF2BEB33A41EFD-1FB8-4D50B@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> FOT: The CALIFORNIA AIR preview is now up on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twWHfzI8oiw&feature=youtu.be Here is a sample of John Clancy's excellent documentary of Kas' history with the TRIUMPH FACTORY and our recent 10th Running of the Kastner Cup at the MITTY. $28.00 FOR THE NTSC DVD includes packaging and shipping in NORTH AMERICA PAYPAL n197tr4 at cs.com Checks: A.R.E. 645 1ST STREET JESUP, IOWA 50648 This is a 3 minute sample of about 2 hours of material. Thanks! Joe Alexander From jhd11 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 07:43:24 2012 From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:43:24 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car Message-ID: Well it was a long couple of days but...the trailer is home, I pick up the race car today and two guys are in jail! THANKS to all who read and forwarded the message and kept a look out. Someone who had seen the posting saw that the crooks had advertised the trailer on craigslist!! They let me and the police know and they were able to catch them. They had sold the car to a metal recycler for $160.00!! I will be out some parts and tie-downs and some small stuff that probably won't be recovered but I am ecstatic about the outcome. The police said that without the fast notice, the car would have been gone by today or tomorrow at the latest! Again, thanks to all. Joe Downer Charlotte, N.C. From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 08:17:33 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 08:17:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51E330AE-C646-41EA-A401-847771AB3BA7@yahoo.com> Sounds like some legislation is in order as well. In Colorado, you can't sell a car for scrap without a title. Then again, I expect a lot of cars get chopped up into parts as a result. Glad you got it back! Ty Tyler Thompson l Account Executive - Public Safety Solutions esri | One International Court | Broomfield, CO 80021 Phone: 303.449-7779 ext. 8260, cell: 719.510-1649 | E-mail: tyler_thompson at esri.com Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Joe Henry wrote: > Well it was a long couple of days but...the trailer is home, I pick up the > race car today and two guys are in jail! THANKS to all who read and forwarded > the message and kept a look out. Someone who had seen the posting saw that > the crooks had advertised the trailer on craigslist!! They let me and the > police know and they were able to catch them. They had sold the car to a > metal recycler for $160.00!! I will be out some parts and tie-downs and some > small stuff that probably won't be recovered but I am ecstatic about the > outcome. The police said that without the fast notice, the car would have > been gone by today or tomorrow at the latest! Again, thanks to all. > > Joe Downer > Charlotte, N.C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From mmoore at wave1.net Mon Jul 9 08:46:29 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:46:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006301cd5de1$a0c6cba0$e25462e0$@net> Somebody should be looking into salvage yard. What legitimate business would take car like that without title and then only give $160. Looks like they may have been ready to sell it for a profit. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Henry Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 9:43 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car Well it was a long couple of days but...the trailer is home, I pick up the race car today and two guys are in jail! THANKS to all who read and forwarded the message and kept a look out. Someone who had seen the posting saw that the crooks had advertised the trailer on craigslist!! They let me and the police know and they were able to catch them. They had sold the car to a metal recycler for $160.00!! I will be out some parts and tie-downs and some small stuff that probably won't be recovered but I am ecstatic about the outcome. The police said that without the fast notice, the car would have been gone by today or tomorrow at the latest! Again, thanks to all. Joe Downer Charlotte, N.C. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at wave1.net From triosan at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 09:21:04 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 08:21:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" 'Trailer' now on-line In-Reply-To: <8CF2BEB33A41EFD-1FB8-4D50B@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF28168FF043D1-132C-1EB0B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> <8CF2BEB33A41EFD-1FB8-4D50B@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Fabulous teaser. gotta get it!! On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 6:09 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > > > The CALIFORNIA AIR preview is now up on YouTube. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twWHfzI8oiw&feature=youtu.be > > > Here is a sample of John Clancy's excellent documentary of Kas' history > with > the TRIUMPH FACTORY and our recent 10th Running of the Kastner Cup at the > MITTY. > > $28.00 FOR THE NTSC DVD includes packaging and shipping in NORTH AMERICA > > PAYPAL n197tr4 at cs.com > > Checks: > > A.R.E. > 645 1ST STREET > JESUP, IOWA 50648 > > This is a 3 minute sample of about 2 hours of material. > > Thanks! > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From vangoughv at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 09:29:18 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:29:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car In-Reply-To: <006301cd5de1$a0c6cba0$e25462e0$@net> References: <006301cd5de1$a0c6cba0$e25462e0$@net> Message-ID: I agree with that. The police should be smart enough to come to the same conclusion also. Salvage yard might even be part of a bigger scheme. WOW congrats on the good news anyway Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-09, at 11:14 AM, "Mike Moore" wrote: > Somebody should be looking into salvage yard. What legitimate business would > take car like that without title and then only give $160. Looks like they > may have been ready to sell it for a profit. > > Thanks > Mike > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > 2007 West 32nd Street > Erie, PA 16508 > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > Fax: 814-864-7383 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Joe Henry > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 9:43 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car > > Well it was a long couple of days but...the trailer is home, I pick up the > race car today and two guys are in jail! THANKS to all who read and > forwarded the message and kept a look out. Someone who had seen the posting > saw that the crooks had advertised the trailer on craigslist!! They let me > and the police know and they were able to catch them. They had sold the car > to a metal recycler for $160.00!! I will be out some parts and tie-downs > and some small stuff that probably won't be recovered but I am ecstatic > about the outcome. The police said that without the fast notice, the car > would have been gone by today or tomorrow at the latest! Again, thanks to > all. > > Joe Downer > Charlotte, N.C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at wave1.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From LimeyV8 at aol.com Mon Jul 9 10:05:19 2012 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (Jack Mc) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:05:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car In-Reply-To: <51E330AE-C646-41EA-A401-847771AB3BA7@yahoo.com> References: <51E330AE-C646-41EA-A401-847771AB3BA7@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I like the laws for scraping cars here in North Carolina just the way they are, thank you very much. You have to have a title if the car is 10 years or less old - no title required if over 10 years old -and in this case the perps (or at least one of them) will have left a photo copy of their ID at the metal recycler - had a title been required, Joe's car could have been reduced to an anonymous pile of scrap in less than an hour. Joe - which metal recycler did the car end up at? I've scraped 2 cars locally at 2 different places - one of which I'll never go back to. Would one assume correctly that the scrap yard is out $160? Anyway, I sure was glad to hear this one turned out the way it did - stealing a race car in these parts is about like stealing a horse in the old west - lots of folks think the perps should be hung. Cheers Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On Jul 9, 2012, at 10:17 AM, "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" wrote: > Sounds like some legislation is in order as well. In Colorado, you can't sell > a car for scrap without a title. Then again, I expect a lot of cars get > chopped up into parts as a result. Glad you got it back! > > Ty > > Tyler Thompson l Account Executive - Public Safety Solutions > esri | One International Court | Broomfield, CO 80021 > Phone: 303.449-7779 ext. 8260, cell: 719.510-1649 | > E-mail: tyler_thompson at esri.com > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > > On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Joe Henry wrote: > >> Well it was a long couple of days but...the trailer is home, I pick up the >> race car today and two guys are in jail! THANKS to all who read and > forwarded >> the message and kept a look out. Someone who had seen the posting saw that >> the crooks had advertised the trailer on craigslist!! They let me and the >> police know and they were able to catch them. They had sold the car to a >> metal recycler for $160.00!! I will be out some parts and tie-downs and > some >> small stuff that probably won't be recovered but I am ecstatic about the >> outcome. The police said that without the fast notice, the car would have >> been gone by today or tomorrow at the latest! Again, thanks to all. >> >> Joe Downer >> Charlotte, N.C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From bownes at seiri.com Mon Jul 9 10:17:15 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Seiri Bownes) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:17:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car In-Reply-To: References: <006301cd5de1$a0c6cba0$e25462e0$@net> Message-ID: Two words....'plausible deniability'. N.Y. has the same 'Can't scrap a car without a title' law. In 35 years of taking cars to junkyards and,or having them hauled away, I've been asked for a title exactly once. It was the one time I a) had the title, and b) knew where it was. In NY, there is an out for 'lost or misplaced' titles, in which the seller simply signs a form stating they own the car or have the right to dispose of it. That covered the scrap dealer nicely. As to a scrapper giving $160 to the thief for it, many of these guys totally operate on a $/lb basis and have breathed a few too many fumes along the way. I had some oil tanks removed over the last few days and one of the scrappers was thrilled to take a garbage can full of brake rotors, exhaust parts, and the like. His comment "That's worth at least $5 at the recyclers!" Had he only known that I would have paid him to haul it away...;) But he said the GT6 and TR6 in the drive would fetch twenty to fifty each. And was disappointed when I wouldn't give those to him as well. The remaning question, is, of course, how much of a car do you need a title in order to legally scrap it? I scraped out a Spit in 4 or 5 55gal drums at one point. I do have a handful of TR serial number plates and titles in my filing cabinet however. Just In Case. In any cage, I'm very glad you got it back. That's a great success story. On Jul 9, 2012, at 11:29, Vince G wrote: > I agree with that. The police should be smart enough to come to the same > conclusion also. Salvage yard might even be part of a bigger scheme. > > WOW > > congrats on the good news anyway > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-07-09, at 11:14 AM, "Mike Moore" wrote: > >> Somebody should be looking into salvage yard. What legitimate business > would >> take car like that without title and then only give $160. Looks like they >> may have been ready to sell it for a profit. >> >> Thanks >> Mike >> >> Michael T. Moore, CPA >> 2007 West 32nd Street >> Erie, PA 16508 >> >> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >> Fax: 814-864-7383 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Joe Henry >> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 9:43 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car >> >> Well it was a long couple of days but...the trailer is home, I pick up the >> race car today and two guys are in jail! THANKS to all who read and >> forwarded the message and kept a look out. Someone who had seen the > posting >> saw that the crooks had advertised the trailer on craigslist!! They let me >> and the police know and they were able to catch them. They had sold the > car >> to a metal recycler for $160.00!! I will be out some parts and tie-downs >> and some small stuff that probably won't be recovered but I am ecstatic >> about the outcome. The police said that without the fast notice, the car >> would have been gone by today or tomorrow at the latest! Again, thanks to >> all. >> >> Joe Downer >> Charlotte, N.C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at wave1.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From bownes at seiri.com Mon Jul 9 10:34:11 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Seiri Bownes) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:34:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 - come take it away.... Message-ID: <441B6087-CDC4-460B-94D4-0B43457BBA13@seiri.com> I posted this a year or so ago and never managed to seal a deal... I have a TR6 sitting in front of my garage that needs to go away. The frame is suffering from classic rot. But it has fiberglass fenders on all four corners and a couple of boxes of parts, mostly interior, still in TRF wrapping. It belonged to a friend who was going to restore it, but got married instead...Silly human. My TR6 Needs a rebuilt engine at this point. I was going to pull this one, rebuild it, put it in my car, and keep my original as a rebuildable spare. But that starts to sound like work...short story long, I'd like to end up with as much of a TR6 drivetrain (engine, trans, diff, hubs) as i can get as spares for my TR6. I'm open to negotiation I don't have to take this one apart... Specifically, should anyone want to trade a significant chunk of spare TR6 drivetrain ( or a TR8/Rover V8 and/or a Hewland/Webster transaxle lying about for my formula car project! ) let me know. It could be a nice swap. Failing that, the rolling chassis will be available free to anyone who wants to come by and help pull the drivetrain. :) Located in Troy, N.Y. Gonna get something on the track in the next year or so.... From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 9 11:12:51 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] CHASING THE TAIL OF THE DRAGON SCCA HILLCLIMB RESULTS? JK JACKSON? In-Reply-To: References: <8CF24EA5B35B6EF-1FCC-43BCD@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room E19-695-KA | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 Note to subscribers: Please e-mail to unix-linux-help at Mit.edu so that all the consultants see your message. This will ensure a more timely response. Thanks. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Important: MIT IT staff will *NEVER* ask you for your password, nor will MIT send you email requesting your password information. Please continue to ignore any email messages that claim to require you to provide such information. You have new mail in /var/spool/mail/lang On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, Rich Rock wrote: [stuff deleted] > Some of you really should try to come to Reading PA for the Duryea Hillclimb, > August 18-19. It's the premier event on the PHA calender. I hope to put the Pagoda HC on my calendar for 2013, even if I just spectate. > Rich Rock regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jul 9 11:43:16 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car Message-ID: <247ec.273d39b2.3d2c7234@aol.com> Joe... Hooray for our side, as you'll get most of your stuff back. What boggles my mind is the fact that there is scum out there that will commit Grand Theft for $160. That's pretty scary stuff. Bill Dentinger From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jul 9 11:44:22 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:44:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car In-Reply-To: <006301cd5de1$a0c6cba0$e25462e0$@net> References: <006301cd5de1$a0c6cba0$e25462e0$@net> Message-ID: <0b1a01cd5dfa$7a20a7a0$6e61f6e0$@rr.com> > What legitimate business > would > take car like that without title and then only give $160. A metal recycler is going to assume that it is worthless as a car, and pay only what the scrap metal is worth. It would probably be worth more if already disassembled and sorted into metal type; but they will have to pay someone to do that. "Mixed" scrap is about the lowest form, even if there are valuable alloys present in the mix. -- Randall From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 15:53:43 2012 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator Message-ID: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago at this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi with my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? thanks Mike Mehl From vangoughv at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 16:28:49 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:28:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What is the rating on your pump? Where is the regulator mounted and do you have a gauge on it? I'm installing a similar set up tonight on my GT6 using the Holley 1-4 psi regulator but I only need about 2.5 psi at the carb an I'm using a 4psi 28gph pump Best if luck! Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-09, at 6:15 PM, "Mike Mehl" wrote: > After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley > regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago at > this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could > find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi with > my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? > > thanks Mike > Mehl > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 17:00:30 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1341874830.54439.YahooMailClassic@web162205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I use a Holley red low pressure pump with a Mr. Gasket cheap regulator dialed down to 1.5 and it works great. We are using the same carbs as you. We used these regulators on VW off road cars to keep the pressure down so as not to flood in rough terrain. The Holley regulators might not be as sensitive at lower pressures. 3.5 is high I think. Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Mon, 7/9/12, Mike Mehl wrote: > From: Mike Mehl > Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > To: "Triumph Friends of" > Date: Monday, July 9, 2012, 9:53 PM > After fighting all weekend with my > fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley > regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It > broke on me a year ago at > this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 > psi that I could > find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me > we want to run 3.5psi with > my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel > pump?? > > thanks Mike > Mehl > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 17:01:07 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:01:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <213093EF-5C7F-4A11-A092-E4DB8B35D349@gmail.com> 2.5 to 3 psi would be about right. You could try a Malpassi fuel regulator if you can find a source for one in the USA. Duncan (Texas) On Jul 9, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley > regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago at > this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could > find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi with > my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? > > thanks Mike > Mehl > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jul 9 17:33:56 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:33:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just a thought, but what is wrong with a SU type fuel pump? Maybe an aftermarket doubleender, I think they already have a regulator built into them. http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=37345 They worked for Jag V-12's! I wonder what the old Group 44 cars used? Charly Mitchel SU Solid State Competition Double Ended Fuel Pump Double-ended SU pumps have been standard equipment for years on Aston Martins, Bentley and late model E-Types. Delivering twice the capacity of a standard MGB type pump, these units will keep on pumping even if one side fails. Well-suited for all high performance engines running SU carbs, as no pressure regulator is required. Part # Price Description Application Qty Rqd Qty 377-036 $379.95 SU Double Pump, Points type Negative or positive ground (not polarity sensitive) 1 377-335 $449.95 SU Double Pump, Solid state Negative ground 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Mehl" To: "Triumph Friends of" Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:53 PM Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the > Holley > regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago > at > this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could > find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi > with > my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? > > thanks Mike > Mehl > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of BAC-408.jpg] From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Jul 9 17:58:10 2012 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:58:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Need writers for SportsCar at 2012 Solo Nationals Message-ID: <9985D37AFF7E4EA5B43C55A7421B099D@rocky> I need writers to help cover the Solo Nationals for SportsCar. If youre the type of person who likes to weigh in on these forums, you may be just the one we need. It takes about two dozen writers to cover the event. Ideally, we want people who will be there all four days -- Tuesday-Wednesday drivers cover Thursday-Friday classes and Thursday-Friday drivers cover Tuesday-Wednesday classes [See Run Days list at bottom of this message]. Im almost full for Tue-Wed (still need a couple) but getting desperate for Thu-Fri writers (need about 10 more). The perks are: 1-This counts as your work assignment, 2-You do most of it sitting in the stands or chatting with other drivers, and 3-You do NOT have to work on the days you run (if youre there all four days). The necessaries are: 1-I prefer people who are there all four days (enabling #3 above), but I can use some same-day people -- it depends what heat you end up running. I do NOT assign conflicts. 2-You have to get stories back to me within about 10 days. You do NOT need polished writing ability. Rather, we need people who are good observers and, yes, even good bench racers. No one should have to write up more than two classes or cover classes in more than two heats (Open and Ladies are considered one class for story purposes). The basic job is to be there when the classes are running, talk to a couple of the key players, then write a story (likely after you get home) of about 500 words. Great writing talent is secondary to just being there. I can edit most anything into a reasonable narrative, but I need the details of the story so the eyes and ears of the reporters are invaluable. If you can be part of the crew this year, please send me a direct e-mail (rocky at spitfire4.com) telling me: 1. Your name 2. Mailing address 3. Phone numbers (home, work, cell) 4. e-mail address 5. Your class, days you run [see schedule below] 6. What day you plan to arrive/leave Lincoln 7. Any preferences for classes you'd like to cover 8. Second choice for event work assignment in case I can't use you as a writer. Ill reply confirming I got your e-mail, then youll hear from me next after the run/work order comes out which is when I can make the story assignments. If you enter Nationals online through MotorsportReg.com (you can reach it most easily from the SCCA.com website), when you reach Work Preference select Other and on the next line down write in SportsCar Writer. If you enter using the paper entry form, in the Worker Information area circle OTHER and write in "SportsCar Writer." If you've already sent your entry and checked off some other worker preference, just let me know what you checked. I can get it changed. Hope to hear from you soon! --Rocky Entriken Chief of Writers Run Days for 2012 Solo Nationals: ~~~TUE-WED~~~ AS CS DS GS STR STS STX STU ESP FSP EP GP BM CM DM EM KM JA JB ~~~THU-FRI~~~ SS BS ES FS HS RTA RTR RTF STC STF SSP ASP BSP CSP DSP SSM SM SMF XP CP DP FP AM FM FSAE and, of course, corresponding Ladies classes From pcdelux at verizon.net Mon Jul 9 18:27:08 2012 From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 20:27:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008c01cd5e32$be6fb4e0$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0> Listers, For street brit cars a more reliable pump I found was a mitsubishi for a 1984 Honda Accord. It fit under the ls floor along rocker and even sounded like an SU style. It has points but does not seem to be affected by sitting around. Around 2psi if I remember. Was 85.00 new last time I checked. Have not bought one in a while. Bill DeWar NJTA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "Mike Mehl" ; "Triumph Friends of" Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > Just a thought, but what is wrong with a SU type fuel pump? Maybe an > aftermarket doubleender, I think they already have a regulator built into > them. http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=37345 > They worked for Jag V-12's! I wonder what the old Group 44 cars used? > Charly Mitchel > > > SU Solid State Competition Double Ended Fuel Pump > > Double-ended SU pumps have been standard equipment for years on Aston > Martins, Bentley and late model E-Types. Delivering twice the capacity of a > standard MGB type pump, these units will keep on pumping even if one side > fails. Well-suited for all high performance engines running SU carbs, as no > pressure regulator is required. > > Part # Price Description Application Qty > Rqd Qty > 377-036 $379.95 SU Double Pump, Points type > Negative or positive ground (not polarity sensitive) 1 > 377-335 $449.95 SU Double Pump, Solid state > Negative ground 1 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Mehl" > To: "Triumph Friends of" > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:53 PM > Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > > > > After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the > > Holley > > regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago > > at > > this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could > > find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi > > with > > my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? > > > > thanks Mike > > Mehl > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of BAC-408.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux at verizon.net From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jul 9 18:47:06 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 18:47:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FFB7B8A.4010103@bradakis.com> Vince G wrote: > I'm installing a similar set up tonight on my GT6 using the Holley 1-4 psi > regulator but I only need about 2.5 psi at the carb an I'm using a 4psi 28gph > pump > > You may run into problems with the input pressure and the desired output pressure being so close. mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jul 9 19:44:32 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 20:44:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Use the Holley Blue pump (about 15 psi output as I recall) with the Holley regulator - either the 1-4 psi regulator or the 4-7 psi regulator. If you use a low pressure pump you won't have enough pressure differential to properly actuate the regulator. Jack and I went through many permutations of pump / regulator before we found the reliable fix to the problem. I run a rock solid 2 psi to my Webers with that set up. Tony Drews At 04:53 PM 7/9/2012, Mike Mehl wrote: >After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley >regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago at >this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could >find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi with >my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? > >thanks Mike >Mehl >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 9 19:58:36 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 01:58:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: Want trouble with a fuel pump line, just run too much pressure with S U 's. Try 2 pounds and then check to see that the pump will deliver 15 gallons per hour. Easy to do, no excuses. Never be beaten by equipment > From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com > To: mike.mehl at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:33:56 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > > Just a thought, but what is wrong with a SU type fuel pump? Maybe an > aftermarket doubleender, I think they already have a regulator built into > them. http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=37345 > They worked for Jag V-12's! I wonder what the old Group 44 cars used? > Charly Mitchel > > > SU Solid State Competition Double Ended Fuel Pump > > Double-ended SU pumps have been standard equipment for years on Aston > Martins, Bentley and late model E-Types. Delivering twice the capacity of a > standard MGB type pump, these units will keep on pumping even if one side > fails. Well-suited for all high performance engines running SU carbs, as no > pressure regulator is required. > > Part # Price Description Application Qty > Rqd Qty > 377-036 $379.95 SU Double Pump, Points type > Negative or positive ground (not polarity sensitive) 1 > 377-335 $449.95 SU Double Pump, Solid state > Negative ground 1 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Mehl" > To: "Triumph Friends of" > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:53 PM > Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > > > > After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the > > Holley > > regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago > > at > > this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could > > find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi > > with > > my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? > > > > thanks Mike > > Mehl > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of BAC-408.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From fasttrs at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 20:15:48 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 19:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] More Mitty Photos Message-ID: <1341886548.94625.YahooMailNeo@web46101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Here are some more Photos from the Mitty. http://motorsports.clarkmcinnisphotography.com/motorsports/Historic%20Sportscar%20Racing/2012/2012%20Mitty/Group%201%20-%20Triumph/index.html From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Jul 9 20:53:23 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 19:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <20120710021031.508E62D0420@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1341888803.14091.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Group: Tony is dead on in his assessment. We had the same issue in the now Randy Williams TR3. The Holley red only puts out 4 psi, and as you try to adjust a Holley regulator down to 3-3.5 psi there isn't enough of a pressure differential to let the diaphragm work properly. The fix is to move up to the Holley blue, and adjust the pressure to the desired level. On this topic...most of us (read carb equipped) want pressures in the area of 2-3.5 psi. All the pressure gauges I can find read 0-15 psi. This puts us using them in the lower 25-30% of the gauge which is not the desired area to be reading. Has anyone been able to find a gauge that reads 0-5 psi? I have looked all over, including aircraft supply places, with no luck. -Ed- --- On Mon, 7/9/12, Tony Drews wrote: From: Tony Drews Subject: Re: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator To: "Mike Mehl" , "Triumph Friends of" Date: Monday, July 9, 2012, 8:44 PM Use the Holley Blue pump (about 15 psi output as I recall) with the Holley regulator - either the 1-4 psi regulator or the 4-7 psi regulator. If you use a low pressure pump you won't have enough pressure differential to properly actuate the regulator. Jack and I went through many permutations of pump / regulator before we found the reliable fix to the problem. I run a rock solid 2 psi to my Webers with that set up. Tony Drews At 04:53 PM 7/9/2012, Mike Mehl wrote: >After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley >regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago at >this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could >find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi with >my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? > >thanks Mike >Mehl >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From chasgee at aol.com Mon Jul 9 21:10:49 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 23:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <20120710021038.7F45E2D0469@autox.team.net> References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120710021038.7F45E2D0469@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CF2C60BD81553B-1F38-25C3@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Tony, Do you find that the pressure creeps up with that set up when the car isn't running? Thanks, Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph Friends of Sent: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 7:12 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator Use the Holley Blue pump (about 15 psi output as I recall) with the olley regulator - either the 1-4 psi regulator or the 4-7 psi egulator. If you use a low pressure pump you won't have enough ressure differential to properly actuate the regulator. Jack and I ent through many permutations of pump / regulator before we found he reliable fix to the problem. I run a rock solid 2 psi to my Webers with that set up. Tony Drews At 04:53 PM 7/9/2012, Mike Mehl wrote: After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago at this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi with my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? thanks Mike Mehl _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jul 9 21:26:30 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 22:26:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <8CF2C60BD81553B-1F38-25C3@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120710021038.7F45E2D0469@autox.team.net> <8CF2C60BD81553B-1F38-25C3@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: /local/mailman/lynxXXXXzoH7bB: Permission denied From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Jul 9 22:33:44 2012 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 23:33:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator References: <1341888803.14091.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45B00F2A25724204A79AEB2BE58F4302@rocky> I use the Holley Red with no problems in my HP Spitfire. Well, actually, it is TWO Holley Reds because I got an ATL fuel cell with two pickups -- one to each rear corner which ensures whether I'm turning right or left even on low fuel I have something being picked up. Then they go to a T still in the trunk with a single line going forward to the regulator under the hood, set at 2.5 psi. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "Mike Mehl" ; "Triumph Friends of" ; "Tony Drews" Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > Group: Tony is dead on in his assessment. We had the same issue in the now > Randy Williams TR3. The Holley red only puts out 4 psi, and as you try to > adjust a Holley regulator down to 3-3.5 psi there isn't enough of a > pressure > differential to let the diaphragm work properly. The fix is to move up to > the > Holley blue, and adjust the pressure to the desired level. > On this topic...most of us (read carb equipped) want pressures in the area > of > 2-3.5 psi. All the pressure gauges I can find read 0-15 psi. This puts us > using them in the lower 25-30% of the gauge which is not the desired area > to > be reading. Has anyone been able to find a gauge that reads 0-5 psi? I > have > looked all over, including aircraft supply places, with no luck. > > -Ed- > > --- On Mon, 7/9/12, Tony Drews wrote: > > > From: Tony Drews > Subject: Re: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > To: "Mike Mehl" , "Triumph Friends of" > > Date: Monday, July 9, 2012, 8:44 PM > > > Use the Holley Blue pump (about 15 psi output as I recall) with the > Holley regulator - either the 1-4 psi regulator or the 4-7 psi > regulator. If you use a low pressure pump you won't have enough > pressure differential to properly actuate the regulator. Jack and I > went through many permutations of pump / regulator before we found > the reliable fix to the problem. > > I run a rock solid 2 psi to my Webers with that set up. > > Tony Drews > > At 04:53 PM 7/9/2012, Mike Mehl wrote: >>After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the > Holley >>regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago >>at >>this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could >>find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi >>with >>my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? >> >>thanks Mike >>Mehl >>_______________________________________________ >>fot at autox.team.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 9 23:16:42 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 05:16:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fuel pumps and regulators Message-ID: I used the blue pumps are regulators with great success. Some of the little electronic pumps were okay for a while but, they in the end, failed at a time of great nuisance. Pressure, volume and adjustability, from blue pumps. I have used AC motor pumps and they worked very well also. Never be beaten by equipment From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 9 23:51:14 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 05:51:14 +0000 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm always a friend of simple solution. Less parts on the less failures you might face. I run a Mitsuba fuel pump. The is self regulating and suitable for SU and Weber. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mehl Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:53:43 To: Triumph Friends of Reply-To: Mike Mehl Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago at this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi with my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? thanks Mike Mehl _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Tue Jul 10 04:20:12 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:20:12 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fuel pumps and regulators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've used pacet pumps for a while now and they do eventually pack up, mostly due to moisture collecting inside the steel body and causing the electroplating to variously fur up .... I ditch them after 3 years in the car now as 5 years seems to be the service life. Otherwise so long as you put 12 volts and fuel through them they pump enough to keep up to 2 weber 48s happy. Tony Sent from my iPhone On 10 Jul 2012, at 06:16, Kas Kastner wrote: > I used the blue pumps are regulators with great success. Some of the little > electronic pumps were okay for a while but, they in the end, failed at a time > of great nuisance. Pressure, volume and adjustability, from blue pumps. I have > used AC motor pumps and they worked very well also. > > Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 10 07:27:52 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER Message-ID: <8CF2CB6F157C384-1FB8-5BE4E@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> John reports that he is in Ohio at the moment and will arrive at Elkhart Lake on Friday morning. We will have a gaggle of FOT at THE HAWK and it would be nice if we made a plan to gather in John's honor. Any suggestions? Anyone? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 10 07:38:59 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA COMING TO AMERICA Message-ID: <8CF2CB87E36C344-1FB8-5C0C7@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> John Houlton and I have some serious planning going for the next Kastner Cup. The Brits 'missed the boat', so to speak on the 10th Running Of The KCUP. May be we can inveigle them into coming to Road America. There's over a year to make plans........ Geoff Byrne (New Zealand) is wistfully saying, 'wouldnt it be great if we could bring some Triumphs.....' I wonder what we can do to make this happen? We know that some Canadians will join us, but it would be great to make this a truly INTERNATIONAL EVENT. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 08:01:27 2012 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 07:01:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER In-Reply-To: <8CF2CB6F157C384-1FB8-5BE4E@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF2CB6F157C384-1FB8-5BE4E@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I would be happy with a cold drink and a break from 1400 mile days! On Jul 10, 2012 9:47 AM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > John reports that he is in Ohio at the moment and will arrive at Elkhart > Lake > on Friday morning. > > We will have a gaggle of FOT at THE HAWK and it would be nice if we made a > plan to gather in John's honor. > > Any suggestions? Anyone? > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jul 10 10:16:12 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER Message-ID: <56c2.3e1aa3ba.3d2daf4c@aol.com> In a message dated 07/10/2012 9:18:58 AM Central Daylight Time, capecoventryracing at gmail.com writes: > I would be happy with a cold drink and a break from 1400 mile days! > On Jul 10, 2012 9:47 AM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > I am not sure (until I get there), but at all of the vintage events, the Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team is normally assigned ('grandfathered') to a spot directly across from the entrance to the False Grid Not hard to find.. Bill Dentinger From sjanzen at me.com Tue Jul 10 11:17:23 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 13:17:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Beaverun/ Pittsburgh this weekend In-Reply-To: <2241DE28CF7E4ED5B40E5AD8FC84EAE1@owner8914bbf7f> References: <8CF2A59DF8B7477-E48-38644@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> <2241DE28CF7E4ED5B40E5AD8FC84EAE1@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: Hi, Bill. I'll be at Beaverun with the GT6 this weekend. Any other Triumphs? Scott Janzen '68 GT6 On Jul 7, 2012, at 12:02 PM, william r tobin wrote: Joe, sign me up for one. I'm headed to BeaveRun next weekend; anyone else going? I finally got my lift in and it works great. No more rolling around on the floor! Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 10 11:41:51 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:41:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER In-Reply-To: References: <8CF2CB6F157C384-1FB8-5BE4E@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8BC77DC0-8B84-4A2B-8C28-0EC312DDD186@sbcglobal.net> And we are supposedly in the Competition paddock as well - next to Fourintune, the Healey Boys. If you get past the Hawk - we'll see you on Friday. Dennis On Jul 10, 2012, at 9:01 AM, John Nikas wrote: > I would be happy with a cold drink and a break from 1400 mile days! > On Jul 10, 2012 9:47 AM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > >> John reports that he is in Ohio at the moment and will arrive at Elkhart >> Lake >> on Friday morning. >> >> We will have a gaggle of FOT at THE HAWK and it would be nice if we made a >> plan to gather in John's honor. >> >> Any suggestions? Anyone? >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 12:00:44 2012 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:00:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER In-Reply-To: <8BC77DC0-8B84-4A2B-8C28-0EC312DDD186@sbcglobal.net> References: <8CF2CB6F157C384-1FB8-5BE4E@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> <8BC77DC0-8B84-4A2B-8C28-0EC312DDD186@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: What in the hell is the 'hawk'. I'm going to Elkhart Lake right? On Jul 10, 2012 1:41 PM, "Dennis Delap" wrote: > And we are supposedly in the Competition paddock as well - next to > Fourintune, the Healey Boys. > If you get past the Hawk - we'll see you on Friday. > > Dennis > > > On Jul 10, 2012, at 9:01 AM, John Nikas > wrote: > > > I would be happy with a cold drink and a break from 1400 mile days! > > On Jul 10, 2012 9:47 AM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > > > >> John reports that he is in Ohio at the moment and will arrive at Elkhart > >> Lake > >> on Friday morning. > >> > >> We will have a gaggle of FOT at THE HAWK and it would be nice if we > made a > >> plan to gather in John's honor. > >> > >> Any suggestions? Anyone? > >> > >> > >> Joe Alexander > >> A. R. E. > >> 645 1st Street > >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 > >> 319.464.4711 (cell) > >> n197tr4 at cs.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 10 12:45:55 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:45:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER Message-ID: What used to be known as BRIC. The Hawk at Road America with Brian Redman. Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad John Nikas wrote: >What in the hell is the 'hawk'. I'm going to Elkhart Lake right? >On Jul 10, 2012 1:41 PM, "Dennis Delap" wrote: > >> And we are supposedly in the Competition paddock as well - next to >> Fourintune, the Healey Boys. >> If you get past the Hawk - we'll see you on Friday. >> >> Dennis >> >> >> On Jul 10, 2012, at 9:01 AM, John Nikas >> wrote: >> >> > I would be happy with a cold drink and a break from 1400 mile days! >> > On Jul 10, 2012 9:47 AM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: >> > >> >> John reports that he is in Ohio at the moment and will arrive at Elkhart >> >> Lake >> >> on Friday morning. >> >> >> >> We will have a gaggle of FOT at THE HAWK and it would be nice if we >> made a >> >> plan to gather in John's honor. >> >> >> >> Any suggestions? Anyone? >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> >> A. R. E. >> >> 645 1st Street >> >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> >> Unsubscribe: >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jul 10 13:15:30 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER Message-ID: <31c99.7ee56843.3d2dd952@aol.com> John... THE HAWK WITH BRIAN REDMAN is the new name for the huge July ROAD AMERIICA vintage event. Started out many, many years ago as the CHICAGO HISTORICS, and has evolved since under many acronyms like BRIC, KICK heavily influenced by sponsor money. HAWK, the brake pad people, are the current sponsor. We've been at every one of them since the mid-1980s. Bill Dentinger From kaskas at cox.net Tue Jul 10 15:02:12 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 21:02:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Michael Porter Message-ID: Please send me an emai addressl Michael so I can ask you a couple questions. Thanks. Never be beaten by equipment From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 11 05:40:49 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER In-Reply-To: References: <8CF2CB6F157C384-1FB8-5BE4E@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> <8BC77DC0-8B84-4A2B-8C28-0EC312DDD186@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <8CF2D7126B5B378-CAC-6CB1B@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> John, Four-In-Tune is a prominent restoration/tuner shop in Wisconsin. They will want to see GRACE and perhaps can help you with any issues that Grace may be having. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Nikas To: Dennis Delap Cc: Joe Alexander ; fot Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER What in the hell is the 'hawk'. I'm going to Elkhart Lake right? On Jul 10, 2012 1:41 PM, "Dennis Delap" wrote: And we are supposedly in the Competition paddock as well - next to Fourintune, the Healey Boys. If you get past the Hawk - we'll see you on Friday. Dennis On Jul 10, 2012, at 9:01 AM, John Nikas wrote: > I would be happy with a cold drink and a break from 1400 mile days! > On Jul 10, 2012 9:47 AM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > >> John reports that he is in Ohio at the moment and will arrive at Elkhart >> Lake >> on Friday morning. >> >> We will have a gaggle of FOT at THE HAWK and it would be nice if we made a >> plan to gather in John's honor. >> >> Any suggestions? Anyone? >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 11 06:51:37 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 08:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" ORDER STATUS Message-ID: <8CF2D7B0B1A8EEC-CAC-6DD3C@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Thanks to John Clancy Productions 50+ DVDs are are winging their way over from the U.K. this week. Packaging materials are on order and should be arriving shortly. I am off to ROAD AMERICA this weekend............ By Monday I should be packaging and shipping throughout the week. If you are planning to get this DVD, it would nice to do it within this time frame. Thanks! ORDER INFORMATION: EMAIL: N197tr4 at cs.com PayPal: N197tr4 at cs.com Check: To address below Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jul 11 07:45:15 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 09:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... Message-ID: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> Amici... GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop this morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is from Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest 'sportscar' at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear fender bead goes. Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. Bill Dentinger From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Jul 11 08:11:04 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> Message-ID: <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > Amici... > > GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph > World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been > making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop > this > morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is > from > Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest > 'sportscar' > at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. > > Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end > is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear > fender bead goes. > > Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a > massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him > out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. > He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. > > I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Jul 11 08:13:36 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:13:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> Message-ID: Too Cool! Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-11, at 10:00 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph > World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been > making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop this > morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is from > Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest 'sportscar' > at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. > > Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end > is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear > fender bead goes. > > Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a > massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him > out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. > He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. > > I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jul 11 09:08:35 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:08:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> Message-ID: <3374F447-0C10-4C2F-8DCF-99FB72E97C1E@me.com> not much Triumph left, though - front wheel drive, blown chevy V8 nt wheel drive, small block Chevy powered, C/BFMS (blown fuel modified sports car) On Jul 11, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > Amici... > > GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph > World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been > making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop this > morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is from > Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest 'sportscar' > at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. > > Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end > is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear > fender bead goes. > > Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a > massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him > out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. > He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. > > I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From clw2000 at msn.com Wed Jul 11 10:51:24 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:51:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com>, <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> Message-ID: Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its design! Thanks, Chuck Watson Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com > To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related > Charly Mitchel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM > Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > > > > Amici... > > > > GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph > > World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been > > making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop > > this > > morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is > > from > > Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest > > 'sportscar' > > at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. > > > > Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end > > is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear > > fender bead goes. > > > > Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a > > massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him > > out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. > > He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. > > > > I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. > > > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From kaskas at cox.net Wed Jul 11 12:07:58 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:07:58 +0000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com>, <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> Message-ID: Oh yeah, looks just like Jason's car at Atlanta. Never be beaten by equipment > From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com > To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related > Charly Mitchel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM > Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > > > > Amici... > > > > GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph > > World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been > > making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop > > this > > morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is > > from > > Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest > > 'sportscar' > > at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. > > > > Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end > > is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear > > fender bead goes. > > > > Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a > > massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him > > out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. > > He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. > > > > I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. > > > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From bownes at seiri.com Wed Jul 11 13:02:22 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:02:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> Message-ID: <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> Many years ago MJB pointed out that the land speed record for production under 2 L cars should be well within the reach of the GT6. Sure am glad I live east of the Mississippi. That's the last project I need! On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:51, Charles WATSON wrote: > Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its design! > > > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers > Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > > > > > > > > > >> From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com >> To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related >> Charly Mitchel >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM >> Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >> >> >>> Amici... >>> >>> GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph >>> World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been >>> making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop >>> this >>> morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is >>> from >>> Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest >>> 'sportscar' >>> at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. >>> >>> Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end >>> is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear >>> fender bead goes. >>> >>> Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a >>> massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him >>> out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. >>> He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. >>> >>> I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. >>> >>> Bill Dentinger >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From kaskas at cox.net Wed Jul 11 15:43:44 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:43:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com>, <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly>, , <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> Message-ID: You might be surprised at how high the speeds are for some of the classes. Tom Kreger's SAAB sedan does over 150. It really depends on the class. Our TR-4A did 128 in 1966 and change with full windshield and top etc. the record for that class at that time was held by a Damiler 2.5 and it was about 131 as I rmember. The Salt is 4200 feet high and that altitude saps a lot of power. GT-6 should be able to do the job but you had better check the records with the Southern California Timing Association, they rule at the salt. Never be beaten by equipment > From: bownes at seiri.com > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:02:22 -0400 > To: clw2000 at msn.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > > Many years ago MJB pointed out that the land speed record for production under > 2 L cars should be well within the reach of the GT6. > > Sure am glad I live east of the Mississippi. That's the last project I need! > > > On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:51, Charles WATSON wrote: > > > Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its design! > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers > > Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com > >> To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net > >> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related > >> Charly Mitchel > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM > >> Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > >> > >> > >>> Amici... > >>> > >>> GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph > >>> World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been > >>> making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop > >>> this > >>> morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is > >>> from > >>> Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest > >>> 'sportscar' > >>> at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. > >>> > >>> Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end > >>> is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear > >>> fender bead goes. > >>> > >>> Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a > >>> massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him > >>> out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. > >>> He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. > >>> > >>> I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. > >>> > >>> Bill Dentinger > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From bownes at seiri.com Wed Jul 11 15:53:09 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:53:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> Message-ID: <2BE1463E-45BA-4434-A3CD-0E4A5AA1B216@seiri.com> Well if any of us know how to get power out of a Triumph, at the altitude of the Salt, I'd bet on the guy who lives in Salt lake City...:) On Jul 11, 2012, at 17:43, Kas Kastner wrote: > > > > Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its design! From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jul 11 16:07:53 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:07:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> Message-ID: Yep, very early in childhood, I set a goal to own and drive the fastest GT6 in the world.... Now, Somehow, I'm going backwards...Only 200 mph to go. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri wrote: > Many years ago MJB pointed out that the land speed record for production > under > 2 L cars should be well within the reach of the GT6. > > Sure am glad I live east of the Mississippi. That's the last project I > need! > > > On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:51, Charles WATSON wrote: > > > Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its design! > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers > > Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com > >> To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net > >> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related > >> Charly Mitchel > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM > >> Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > >> > >> > >>> Amici... > >>> > >>> GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of > Triumph > >>> World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has > been > >>> making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop > >>> this > >>> morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he > is > >>> from > >>> Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest > >>> 'sportscar' > >>> at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. > >>> > >>> Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear > end > >>> is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear > >>> fender bead goes. > >>> > >>> Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor > of a > >>> massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put > him > >>> out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for > speed. > >>> He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. > >>> > >>> I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. > >>> > >>> Bill Dentinger > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From kaskas at cox.net Wed Jul 11 16:37:10 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:37:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: <2BE1463E-45BA-4434-A3CD-0E4A5AA1B216@seiri.com> References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> , <2BE1463E-45BA-4434-A3CD-0E4A5AA1B216@seiri.com> Message-ID: That's where I first started in this business. Took me five years to make enough money to get a bus out of town. :-) Never be beaten by equipment > CC: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: bownes at seiri.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:53:09 -0400 > To: kaskas at cox.net > > Well if any of us know how to get power out of a Triumph, at the altitude of the Salt, I'd bet on the guy who lives in Salt lake City...:) > > > > > > On Jul 11, 2012, at 17:43, Kas Kastner wrote: > > > > > > > Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its design! From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jul 11 17:38:24 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:38:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> <2BE1463E-45BA-4434-A3CD-0E4A5AA1B216@seiri.com> Message-ID: Sounds like someone needs to figure out a way to get "California Air" delivered to motors running wild out on the salt flats... talk about an E-ticket ride. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > That's where I first started in this business. Took me five years to make > enough money to get a bus out of town. :-) > > Never be beaten by equipment > > CC: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > > From: bownes at seiri.com > > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:53:09 -0400 > > To: kaskas at cox.net > > > > Well if any of us know how to get power out of a Triumph, at the > altitude of > the Salt, I'd bet on the guy who lives in Salt lake City...:) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 2012, at 17:43, Kas Kastner wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its > design! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jul 11 18:01:00 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:01:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> , <2BE1463E-45BA-4434-A3CD-0E4A5AA1B216@seiri.com> Message-ID: <4FFE13BC.3090207@bradakis.com> Kas Kastner wrote: > That's where I first started in this business. Took me five years to make > enough money to get a bus out of town. :-) > > When I helped a friend move here back in 1973, my plan was to take the bus back to Indiana. Obviously that didn't happen. And the way my employment is currently going I can't a bus ticket now, either, let alone put together a Salt Flats effort. But I do have this old TR7 coupe stashed by the garage.... mjb. From craigl at leinickegroup.com Wed Jul 11 22:49:13 2012 From: craigl at leinickegroup.com (Craig Leinicke) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:49:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: With the current interest in land speed racing, this is the perfect time to coax some of you out to give it a try. I have been racing my TR7 roadster with the East Coast Timing Association (ECTA) since 2007 and I really enjoy it. The ECTA has recently moved its venue to Wilmington, OH. We run a one mile land speed course on a decommissioned air strip. It is smooth and fast and a great chance to see some very fast cars. My TR7 roadster runs 120mph and makes 108hp at the rear wheels. Here's where it gets interesting... (I know what makes us all tick) If there is enough interest from the FOT I will check with the competition director and propose sponsoring a TRIUMPH Top Speed Challenge in conjunction with one of the 2013 regularly scheduled ECTA events... I will offer a trophy to the fastest TR with a displacement of 1.5 liter, 2 liters, 3 liters, and 4 liters... Event t-shirts etc. It will hopefully be a chance for me to meet a lot of you and have some fun. You have been challenged! Craig Leinicke Flashback Racing On 7/11/12 10:08 PM, "Craig Leinicke" wrote: > With all of this interest in land speed racing, I judge this is the perfect > time to jump in and coax some of you to come out and give it a try. > I have been racing my TR7 roadster with the East Coast Timing Association > (ECTA) since 2007 and I really enjoy it. The ECTA used to run in Maxton, NC > but has recently moved its venue to Wilmington, OH. We run a one mile land > speed course on a decommissioned DHL air strip. It is smooth and fast. It is a > great chance to see some very innovative people with very fast cars. > > My TR7 roadster runs 120mph and makes 108hp at the rear wheels. > Here's where it gets interesting... (I know what makes us all tick) If there > is enough interest from the FOT I will check with the president and > competition director of the ECTA and see if we can sponsor a TRIUMPH Top Speed > Challenge in conjunction with one of the 2013 regularly scheduled events... > And I will offer a trophy of some sort to the fastest TR with a displacement > of 1.5 liter, 2 liters, 3 liters, and 4 liters. > > It will hopefully be a chance for me to meet a lot of you and have some fun. > The events are really laid back. Let me know... You have been challenged! > > Craig Leinicke > Flashback Racing > > > On 7/11/12 4:43 PM, "Kas Kastner" wrote: > >> You might be surprised at how high the speeds are for some of the classes. >> Tom >> Kreger's SAAB sedan does over 150. It really depends on the class. Our TR-4A >> did 128 in 1966 and change with full windshield and top etc. the record for >> that class at that time was held by a Damiler 2.5 and it was about 131 as I >> rmember. The Salt is 4200 feet high and that altitude saps a lot of power. >> GT-6 should be able to do the job but you had better check the records with >> the Southern California Timing Association, they rule at the salt. >> >> Never be beaten by equipment >>> From: bownes at seiri.com >>> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:02:22 -0400 >>> To: clw2000 at msn.com >>> CC: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >>> >>> Many years ago MJB pointed out that the land speed record for production >> under >>> 2 L cars should be well within the reach of the GT6. >>> >>> Sure am glad I live east of the Mississippi. That's the last project I >> need! >>> >>> >>> On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:51, Charles WATSON wrote: >>> >>>> Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its design! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chuck Watson >>>> >>>> >>>> Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers >>>> Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com >>>>> To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net >>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 >>>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >>>>> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related >>>>> Charly Mitchel >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM >>>>> Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Amici... >>>>>> >>>>>> GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of >> Triumph >>>>>> World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has >> been >>>>>> making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop >>>>>> this >>>>>> morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he >> is >>>>>> from >>>>>> Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest >>>>>> 'sportscar' >>>>>> at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. >>>>>> >>>>>> Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear >> end >>>>>> is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear >>>>>> fender bead goes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of >> a >>>>>> massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put >> him >>>>>> out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for >> speed. >>>>>> He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill Dentinger >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>>>> Unsubscribe: >>>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/craigl at leinickegroup.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Fri Jul 13 12:32:00 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 18:32:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Part for Sale Message-ID: <1787299805.2057884.1342204320147.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello: I have a "long tube" SU carburetor intake manifold for sale. This item has been updated with a welded bead all the way around the circumference of the intake tubes (side which mounts to cylinder head) to prevent cracking. $40 plus shipping. If interested or want a photo, contact offline. Thanks. Gary From jkhagen at charter.net Sat Jul 14 19:35:32 2012 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... Message-ID: <49db9bed.127475.1388846b7d7.Webtop.43@charter.net> If you check the SCTA check out D. Johnson I think he still holds 1300-1500 cc sportscars in Spitfire @about 153mph. Dean was Spitfire SCCA Nat'l champ F-prod? John Hagen On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > You might be surprised at how high the speeds are for some of the > classes. Tom > Kreger's SAAB sedan does over 150. It really depends on the class. > Our TR-4A > did 128 in 1966 and change with full windshield and top etc. the > record for > that class at that time was held by a Damiler 2.5 and it was about 131 > as I > rmember. The Salt is 4200 feet high and that altitude saps a lot of > power. > GT-6 should be able to do the job but you had better check the records > with > the Southern California Timing Association, they rule at the salt. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> From: bownes at seiri.com >> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:02:22 -0400 >> To: clw2000 at msn.com >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >> >> Many years ago MJB pointed out that the land speed record for >> production > under >> 2 L cars should be well within the reach of the GT6. >> >> Sure am glad I live east of the Mississippi. That's the last project >> I > need! >> >> >> On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:51, Charles WATSON wrote: >> >>> Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its >>> design! >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck Watson >>> >>> >>> Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers >>> Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com >>>> To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net >>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related >>>> Charly Mitchel >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM >>>> Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >>>> >>>> >>>>> Amici... >>>>> >>>>> GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of > Triumph >>>>> World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that >>>>> has > been >>>>> making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the >>>>> shop >>>>> this >>>>> morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and >>>>> he > is >>>>> from >>>>> Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest >>>>> 'sportscar' >>>>> at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. >>>>> >>>>> Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The >>>>> rear > end >>>>> is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the >>>>> rear >>>>> fender bead goes. >>>>> >>>>> Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the >>>>> survivor of > a >>>>> massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident >>>>> put > him >>>>> out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for > speed. >>>>> He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. >>>>> >>>>> Bill Dentinger >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>>> Unsubscribe: >>>>> >>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From mrcpt1fc at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 15 12:15:50 2012 From: mrcpt1fc at sbcglobal.net (mrcpt1@sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 11:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires Message-ID: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hello, I have a car that I believe would have come with Dunlop Gold Seal tires, I am keeping the OE 48 spoke wires for originality. What would be my best bet for 5.50 x 15 tires ? My car is not a race car but I do like to drive ! I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, Mike. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Jul 15 14:53:52 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 14:53:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike, The Toyo RA-1 is an excellent tire for wet and dry. Good grippy compound and pretty inexpensive. Jim Gray -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of mrcpt1 at sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:16 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires Hello, I have a car that I believe would have come with Dunlop Gold Seal tires, I am keeping the OE 48 spoke wires for originality. What would be my best bet for 5.50 x 15 tires ? My car is not a race car but I do like to drive ! I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, Mike. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Jul 15 16:54:12 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 18:54:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Honestly, a set of 165 SR 15 radial tires is the only way to go if you drive the car on any regular basis. They last longer, they turn better, they have far better straight ahead stability, are far more puncture resistant, and most importantly, they stop much better. Bias ply tires are for Pebble Beach show cars that never get driven. Terry Stetler. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sun Jul 15 17:05:09 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 18:05:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001cd62de$48acac30$da060490$@com> I like the Vredestein tires that I put on my street Triumph. Tim Murphy -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of mrcpt1 at sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 1:16 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires Hello, I have a car that I believe would have come with Dunlop Gold Seal tires, I am keeping the OE 48 spoke wires for originality. What would be my best bet for 5.50 x 15 tires ? My car is not a race car but I do like to drive ! I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, Mike. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Jul 15 18:09:45 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 20:09:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: I would like to nominate a fellow Spitfire driver Charlie Darrow. I met Charlie at Mid-Ohio last month and ran into him again this weekend at Beaver Run (PIRC). Charlie has a well prepared Mk3 Spit and knows how to drive also. I figure that one more Spitfire guy on the list to answer all my questions will result in less questions for the rest of you from me. What say ye, can I have a second? Charlie's email is cdarrow2 at comcast.net From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jul 15 18:32:45 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 19:32:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <20120716000337.AE3F32D09A1@autox.team.net> References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20120716000337.AE3F32D09A1@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Toyo R888 too (it's the replacement for the RA-1). They are 50 series tires. Tony At 03:53 PM 7/15/2012, Jim Gray wrote: >Mike, >The Toyo RA-1 is an excellent tire for wet and dry. Good grippy compound and >pretty inexpensive. >Jim Gray > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of mrcpt1 at sbcglobal.net >Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:16 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires > >Hello, I have a car that I believe would have come with Dunlop Gold Seal >tires, >I am keeping the OE 48 spoke wires for originality. > > >What would be my best bet for 5.50 x 15 tires ? > >My car is not a race car but I do like to drive ! > >I would appreciate any suggestions. > >Thanks, Mike. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Jul 15 19:05:34 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:05:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <20120716000402.EC7C22D099E@autox.team.net> References: <20120716000402.EC7C22D099E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? Hence it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels of a stock TR-2. We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? Terry Stetler. From levilevi at comcast.net Sun Jul 15 21:46:28 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:46:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Second. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jul 15, 2012, at 6:09 PM, marty sukey wrote: > I would like to nominate a fellow Spitfire driver Charlie Darrow. I > met > Charlie at Mid-Ohio last month and ran into him again this weekend > at Beaver > Run (PIRC). Charlie has a well prepared Mk3 Spit and knows how to > drive also. > I figure that one more Spitfire guy on the list to answer all my > questions > will result in less questions for the rest of you from me. What say > ye, can I > have a second? > > > > Charlie's email is cdarrow2 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 15 21:56:44 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 22:56:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66B24424-FD1F-4EBE-A88E-AE906DC66F9B@sbcglobal.net> I'll second. On Jul 15, 2012, at 7:09 PM, marty sukey wrote: > I would like to nominate a fellow Spitfire driver Charlie Darrow. I met > Charlie at Mid-Ohio last month and ran into him again this weekend at Beaver > Run (PIRC). Charlie has a well prepared Mk3 Spit and knows how to drive also. > I figure that one more Spitfire guy on the list to answer all my questions > will result in less questions for the rest of you from me. What say ye, can I > have a second? > > > > Charlie's email is cdarrow2 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jul 15 22:24:47 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:24:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <103601cd630a$ef884380$0601a8c0@randall> > Honestly, a set of 165 SR 15 radial tires is the only way to > go I'll second that, except that 165s are really hard to get in and out of the spare tire well. Fortunately, Vredestein still makes their Sprint Classic tires in 155SR15 (about $90/tire). And while not exactly a high performance tire, they are much better than the old bias ply tires. If they have to be 5.50-15, then the only source I know is Coker tire. -- Randall From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jul 15 23:29:18 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 00:29:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Absolutely! Second. Tony At 07:09 PM 7/15/2012, marty sukey wrote: >I would like to nominate a fellow Spitfire driver Charlie Darrow. I met >Charlie at Mid-Ohio last month and ran into him again this weekend at Beaver >Run (PIRC). Charlie has a well prepared Mk3 Spit and knows how to drive also. >I figure that one more Spitfire guy on the list to answer all my questions >will result in less questions for the rest of you from me. What say ye, can I >have a second? > > > >Charlie's email is cdarrow2 at comcast.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jul 15 23:30:27 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 00:30:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: References: <20120716000402.EC7C22D099E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: If we're looking at 5.5" wide wheels, I doubt we're talking stock rims. Tony At 08:05 PM 7/15/2012, Terry Stetler wrote: >Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? Hence >it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels of a >stock TR-2. > >We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? > >Terry Stetler. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 15 23:55:13 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 05:55:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think any tire of 155-15 or 165-15 range will do it. Maybe a Goodyear. For your skinny wire spokes nothing with too much grip. Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: "mrcpt1 at sbcglobal.net" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 11:15:50 To: Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires Hello, I have a car that I believe would have come with Dunlop Gold Seal tires, I am keeping the OE 48 spoke wires for originality. What would be my best bet for 5.50 x 15 tires ? My car is not a race car but I do like to drive ! I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, Mike. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From sjanzen at me.com Mon Jul 16 06:37:20 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (SCOTT JANZEN) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:37:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great guys- father and son team- raced with them at VIR, Millville and PIRC this weekend. Quick, too Welcome! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2012, at 8:09 PM, marty sukey wrote: > I would like to nominate a fellow Spitfire driver Charlie Darrow. I met > Charlie at Mid-Ohio last month and ran into him again this weekend at Beaver > Run (PIRC). Charlie has a well prepared Mk3 Spit and knows how to drive also. > I figure that one more Spitfire guy on the list to answer all my questions > will result in less questions for the rest of you from me. What say ye, can I > have a second? > > > > Charlie's email is cdarrow2 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 06:41:37 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 07:41:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't think I'd want to drive a TR2 in the rain on bias plies if I had the option of using radial tires instead. Modern tires are much more resistant to hydroplaning (and the Vredesteins on my Morgan Plus 8 are not great in this regard) and I seem to recall that TR3s on original tires don't tolerate sloppy downshifts, which can cause the rear end to lose traction and cause a spin. On the other hand, you could practice 4-wheel drifts... Isn't the spare tire well too small for 165s? My (hazy) recollection is that this is why I kept the original spare in our '56 TR3. Duncan (Texas) On Jul 15, 2012, at 5:54 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Honestly, a set of 165 SR 15 radial tires is the only way to go if you drive > the car on any regular basis. > > They last longer, they turn better, they have far better straight ahead > stability, are far more puncture resistant, and most importantly, they stop > much better. > > Bias ply tires are for Pebble Beach show cars that never get driven. > > Terry Stetler. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 16 07:12:32 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ Message-ID: <8CF316BCAAEF536-1010-A8991@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> FOT: RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I was reminded that we ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. It was a huge success with both the race car guys and especially the street car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony Drews ran FASTEST TIME OF THE DAY. If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It will mean a fair amount of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA personnel. We might also seek some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs associated with this proposed event. We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard core AUTOCROSSER among the FOT LIST. My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last time. This only goes to show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to want to do it. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 16 07:23:51 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:23:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <20120716072205.AA8502D0DB4@autox.team.net> References: <20120716000402.EC7C22D099E@autox.team.net> <20120716072205.AA8502D0DB4@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <009601cd6356$3e9baf20$bbd30d60$@net> Back in the mid 80's I vintage raced an Austin Healy 100-4 with Michelin X tires and 48 spoke wheels. The drifting was exciting but we lost a lot of time in the turns. When I switched to wider, stickier tires, the outside wheels quickly became 18 spoke wheels. My observation: better tires require more spokes. I couldn't resist the temptation so I switched to 72 spokes which performed flawlessly. And, of course, I drove the car to and from the track. Richard Taylor TR-4 #196 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:30 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires If we're looking at 5.5" wide wheels, I doubt we're talking stock rims. Tony At 08:05 PM 7/15/2012, Terry Stetler wrote: >Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? Hence >it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels >of a stock TR-2. > >We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? > >Terry Stetler. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net From sjanzen at me.com Mon Jul 16 07:35:07 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:35:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49276AA8-1068-4F9C-A90C-13342460553B@me.com> Good guys - father and son team (Jesse). I've spent time with them at VIR, Millville, PIRC. Always having a good time! Only problem is, Jesse is getting round the track as fast as my GT6! Best of all, they brought me a Prumanti's sandwich this weekend at the track - anyone from Pittsburgh knows what that means to a former Pittsburgher! On Jul 15, 2012, at 8:09 PM, marty sukey wrote: I would like to nominate a fellow Spitfire driver Charlie Darrow. I met Charlie at Mid-Ohio last month and ran into him again this weekend at Beaver Run (PIRC). Charlie has a well prepared Mk3 Spit and knows how to drive also. I figure that one more Spitfire guy on the list to answer all my questions will result in less questions for the rest of you from me. What say ye, can I have a second? Charlie's email is cdarrow2 at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 09:48:40 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 11:48:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I second the nomination....Spits are coming on strong even in my car club..great ! On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:37 AM, SCOTT JANZEN wrote: > Great guys- father and son team- raced with them at VIR, Millville and > PIRC this weekend. Quick, too Welcome! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 15, 2012, at 8:09 PM, marty sukey wrote: > > > I would like to nominate a fellow Spitfire driver Charlie Darrow. I met > > Charlie at Mid-Ohio last month and ran into him again this weekend at > Beaver > > Run (PIRC). Charlie has a well prepared Mk3 Spit and knows how to drive > also. > > I figure that one more Spitfire guy on the list to answer all my > questions > > will result in less questions for the rest of you from me. What say ye, > can I > > have a second? > > > > > > > > Charlie's email is cdarrow2 at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 16 10:00:03 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:00:03 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Morgan Trophy In-Reply-To: References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801cd636c$1116ff30$3344fd90$@com> A first video. The first time I was scared by my own car, which was equipped with Dunlop racing tires. Maybe the right tire for 48 wire spoke wheels? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2vCqUk4FGE&feature=player_embedded Cheers Chris From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Jul 16 10:29:06 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:29:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have 165-15 Continentals(no longer available) on my street TR-3, but I have an inexpensive bias tire on a stock rim for a spare. This seemed like the best solution for a street car. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Duncan Charlton To: Triumph Friends of Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires I don't think I'd want to drive a TR2 in the rain on bias plies if I had the option of using radial tires instead. Modern tires are much more resistant to hydroplaning (and the Vredesteins on my Morgan Plus 8 are not great in this regard) and I seem to recall that TR3s on original tires don't tolerate sloppy downshifts, which can cause the rear end to lose traction and cause a spin. On the other hand, you could practice 4-wheel drifts... Isn't the spare tire well too small for 165s? My (hazy) recollection is that this is why I kept the original spare in our '56 TR3. Duncan (Texas) On Jul 15, 2012, at 5:54 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Honestly, a set of 165 SR 15 radial tires is the only way to go if you drive > the car on any regular basis. > > They last longer, they turn better, they have far better straight ahead > stability, are far more puncture resistant, and most importantly, they stop > much better. > > Bias ply tires are for Pebble Beach show cars that never get driven. > > Terry Stetler. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 16 10:40:24 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: References: <8CF316BCAAEF536-1010-A8991@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF3188D4DCCAAF-1010-AD661@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Marty! I was thinking it might have been you that did the organIzing, at MOTRAH, but was afraid to say. "MOTRAH" came about because I was afraid to commit to our Triumph as a single marque event. This time, WE ARE IT. And Bob Lang will return to defend his title. BTW, there has been no discussion with ROAD AMERICA regarding the use of the GO-KART TRACK in the MOTOPLEX AREA. When we determine that we want to do this and have an organizer in place, we can discuss this with Road America. I would see this as not being exclusive to Triumphs. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: marty sukey To: Joe Alexander Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 11:27 am Subject: RE: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ It was a MOTRAH (Morgan Triumph AH) event and I believe it was the Morgan group that organized the autocross. Tony kicked rear at the event but I believe it was our Bob Lang that took FTD, in a loaner car no less. Marty > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:12:32 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ > > FOT: > > RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS > > While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I was reminded that we > ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. > > It was a huge success with both the race car guys and especially the street > car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony Drews ran FASTEST TIME > OF THE DAY. > > If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It will mean a fair amount > of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA personnel. We might also seek > some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs associated with this > proposed event. > > We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard core AUTOCROSSER among the > FOT LIST. > > My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last time. This only goes to > show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to want to do it. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From Triosan at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 11:08:43 2012 From: Triosan at gmail.com (Triosan at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:08:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Finally no longer a novice -- and near disaster Message-ID: I finally completed three novice level races with the northwest International Conference of Sports Car Clubs [ICSSC] this last weekend in Spokane. IT was a four day affair. First day was tenst and tune. I went out in first session, re-learned the track and decided to call it a day. The TR6 is "contentious" as the license director called it. I call it "Fragile". I call my ram "Wacamole Racing" given an issue always seems to pop up. Sure enough, next day go out for practice of race one, and the clutch penal stays at the floor in turn 6. Limp back to pits, leaking clutch fluid out the bottom of the tranny. Have to pull the tranny to see the problem as I have one of those linear throw out bearings with an input hose going into the hole where the old clutch fork goes on the drivers side, and out to a bled line from the other hole. Looked at the throwout bearing and it appeared to be leaking from the seal. Took the bearing apart and indeed the seal looked very rough. It was a wide square cut o-ring. Had doubts about finding a replacement in Spokane at noon on Friday, but someone recommended a source [Brown Bearing], and when the guy measured it is response was "how many"? Had to love that. Got back, reassembled everything, installed tranny with a couple of bolts in, and then tested it only to find the leak as bad as before. So much for assumptions of a problem without a thorough test. Took it out tranny and bearing out again, hooked up the clutch lines, added fluid, and watched it flow out of the cut in the bleed line. Seems this [new to me tranny as of last week] has a very sharp edge on the inside of exit hole. Now I had to find a replacement hose. Again the good folks of ICSSC recommended a place in Spokane called "House of Hose". Got there about 3 and they made up a hose quite quickly. By the time I go the car running again it was too late to take that day's novice race. If only I had one one more TnT session this would have been avoided. The next day went well, decent practice and qualifying, and a verf fun and satisfying race. I ended up 4th out of 12, as some attrition took out three cars ahead of me. That was my third novice race, so I took a [good, well written and useful] upgrade test. Passed, and so could race Sunday with my Group2 peers]. This group has a class for Porsche 944s, spec miata, club spec miata, and cf production. My prepped to 1969 C-prod specs runs as E-Prod. I am the only one in that class. I qualified next to last, though knew I was faster than the two Miata's ahead of me. Then came the race. For 10 laps I followed a Miata I could have passed on either of the straights at any time, but chose to follow as he was faster in the corners. I learned a lot about how he did it bu following close as we corned. On the 10th lap I passed on the front straight. Took the sweeper at the end better than I had all weekend, and headed uphill towards turn three. Upon arriving there, and shifting from 3rd to 4th at 6000 rpm, near disaster struck. The steering wheel came out in my hands, being no longer attached to the u-joint in the Borgson steering assemble. Panic, off track right, up a sandy hill, parallel to the track and aimed straight at an elevated turn station. The eyes of the flagger grew wide. Fortunately the terrain was such I dug a trench and the wheels turned to the right and acted like snow plows, so I stopped in time. I installed the steering system 3 years ago, and never gave it another thought. What happened is the grub screw and nut that holds the splines in the u-joint backed out and disappeared. So now, in the vein of "don't be beaten by equipment" I will Locktite the grub screws, safety wire them, and add a spacer on the shaft between the ujoint and the firewall that will stop the shaft from moving even if there are no screws in the shaft. From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 16 11:13:36 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:13:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <009601cd6356$3e9baf20$bbd30d60$@net> References: <20120716000402.EC7C22D099E@autox.team.net>, , <20120716072205.AA8502D0DB4@autox.team.net>, <009601cd6356$3e9baf20$bbd30d60$@net> Message-ID: When I was racing my TR-3 it was always with the 48 spoke wheels the others were not allowed. I'd break two or three ever race and every prictice. Got pretty good at replacing them quickly without dismounting the tires. It is just not a big deal. Steet driving on 48 spokers? they'll probably last another fifty years. It wasn't until I started using sticky recaps that I had the spoke problem. Never be beaten by equipment > From: tarch at bellsouth.net > To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:23:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > Back in the mid 80's I vintage raced an Austin Healy 100-4 with Michelin X > tires and 48 spoke wheels. The drifting was exciting but we lost a lot of > time in the turns. When I switched to wider, stickier tires, the outside > wheels quickly became 18 spoke wheels. > > My observation: better tires require more spokes. I couldn't resist the > temptation so I switched to 72 spokes which performed flawlessly. > > And, of course, I drove the car to and from the track. > > Richard Taylor > TR-4 #196 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Tony Drews > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:30 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > If we're looking at 5.5" wide wheels, I doubt we're talking stock rims. > > Tony > > At 08:05 PM 7/15/2012, Terry Stetler wrote: > >Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? > Hence > >it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels > >of a stock TR-2. > > > >We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? > > > >Terry Stetler. > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon Jul 16 11:55:55 2012 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] valve cover gaskets TR4 Message-ID: <1342461355.9938.YahooMailNeo@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I know there have been treads about the trick nice valve cover gaskets on thie forum. Please contact me off line about them. thanks Mike From list at mackenzie.aero Mon Jul 16 11:51:33 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:51:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <8CF316BCAAEF536-1010-A8991@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF316BCAAEF536-1010-A8991@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000c01cd637b$a402da30$ec088e90$@aero> I would be happy to assist in any way that I can. Frankly; I do not have the time to volunteer as the lead event organizer but I am very good at gathering sponsorship. Count me in. Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '62 Spitfire 4 (race/autoX) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:13 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ FOT: RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I was reminded that we ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. It was a huge success with both the race car guys and especially the street car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony Drews ran FASTEST TIME OF THE DAY. If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It will mean a fair amount of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA personnel. We might also seek some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs associated with this proposed event. We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard core AUTOCROSSER among the FOT LIST. My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last time. This only goes to show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to want to do it. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 16 12:15:46 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:15:46 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com> I feel a little race is coming on: Started on pole, missed it (as usual when I'm on pole), but managed to become 2nd overall and first in class: http://youtu.be/J0lz_fYtCv0 Cheers Chris From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 16 12:46:09 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <000c01cd637b$a402da30$ec088e90$@aero> References: <8CF316BCAAEF536-1010-A8991@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> <000c01cd637b$a402da30$ec088e90$@aero> Message-ID: <8CF319A65C19EB4-1010-B0CA4@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Excellent! Bob Lang has volunteered to take a leadership role. I assume Bob has already taken your name down and will be in touch My job will be to provide a contact at Road America who may accept our proposal to add this to our Kastner Cup events. Things will likely have changed since we last did this. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert MacKenzie To: 'Joe Alexander' ; fot Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 1:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ I would be happy to assist in any way that I can. Frankly; I do not have the time to volunteer as the lead event organizer but I am very good at gathering sponsorship. Count me in. Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '62 Spitfire 4 (race/autoX) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:13 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ FOT: RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I was reminded that we ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. It was a huge success with both the race car guys and especially the street car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony Drews ran FASTEST TIME OF THE DAY. If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It will mean a fair amount of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA personnel. We might also seek some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs associated with this proposed event. We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard core AUTOCROSSER among the FOT LIST. My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last time. This only goes to show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to want to do it. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 16 13:28:46 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:28:46 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Morgan 4-cylinder race References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002c01cd6389$39667de0$ac3379a0$@com> This one is on Dunlop racings - 6 year old tires with much used....borrowed for this race. Watch out for the SLR cars: http://youtu.be/nvMGqXXWFuQ Chris From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 16 14:13:31 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:13:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: References: <20120716000402.EC7C22D099E@autox.team.net>, , <20120716072205.AA8502D0DB4@autox.team.net>, <009601cd6356$3e9baf20$bbd30d60$@net>, Message-ID: fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] TR2 Tires Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:13:36 +0000 When I was racing my TR-3 it was always with the 48 spoke wheels the others were not allowed. I'd break two or three ever race and every prictice. Got pretty good at replacing them quickly without dismounting the tires. It is just not a big deal. Steet driving on 48 spokers? they'll probably last another fifty years. It wasn't until I started using sticky recaps that I had the spoke problem. Never be beaten by equipment > From: tarch at bellsouth.net > To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:23:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > Back in the mid 80's I vintage raced an Austin Healy 100-4 with Michelin X > tires and 48 spoke wheels. The drifting was exciting but we lost a lot of > time in the turns. When I switched to wider, stickier tires, the outside > wheels quickly became 18 spoke wheels. > > My observation: better tires require more spokes. I couldn't resist the > temptation so I switched to 72 spokes which performed flawlessly. > > And, of course, I drove the car to and from the track. > > Richard Taylor > TR-4 #196 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Tony Drews > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:30 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > If we're looking at 5.5" wide wheels, I doubt we're talking stock rims. > > Tony > > At 08:05 PM 7/15/2012, Terry Stetler wrote: > >Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? > Hence > >it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels > >of a stock TR-2. > > > >We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? > > > >Terry Stetler. > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 16 15:10:59 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] valve cover gaskets TR4 In-Reply-To: <1342461355.9938.YahooMailNeo@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1342461355.9938.YahooMailNeo@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CF31AEA1EB2304-1010-B3F37@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> the best in the business is fot justin wagner, but job demands and a new house has kept him away from his molds. there is a guy from iowa that sells on ebay. lower cost, but after having justin's it isnt the same. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mehl To: Triumph Friends of Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 3:50 pm Subject: [Fot] valve cover gaskets TR4 I know there have been treads about the trick nice valve cover gaskets on thie forum. Please contact me off line about them. thanks Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 16 15:36:47 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:36:47 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <1342473156.34607.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: , <1342473156.34607.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, I ran the wires as they were that 1/2" wider than the steel wheels. they were a LOT heavier what with wire wheel adapter and knock-off hub. I would probably have been faster with the discs but the wires looked very cool and when you are in your 20's, cool is it!. Actually with the way I was always pitching the car I doubt the steel disc would have lasted very long and the spokes would break and give you a change to recover, but when disc breaks, you are gone. Never be beaten by equipment Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:12:36 -0700 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires To: tarch at bellsouth.net; tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net; kaskas at cox.net Kas: Am I coorrect in assuming that you used the wire wheels because they were 1/2" wider than the stock steel wheels? Surely they must weigh the same, if not a bit more tham steel wheels. -Ed- --- On Mon, 7/16/12, Kas Kastner wrote: From: Kas Kastner Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires To: "Richard Taylor" , tony at tonydrews.com, "fot" Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 12:13 PM When I was racing my TR-3 it was always with the 48 spoke wheels the others were not allowed. I'd break two or three ever race and every prictice. Got pretty good at replacing them quickly without dismounting the tires. It is just not a big deal. Steet driving on 48 spokers? they'll probably last another fifty years. It wasn't until I started using sticky recaps that I had the spoke problem. Never be beaten by equipment > From: tarch at bellsouth.net > To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:23:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > Back in the mid 80's I vintage raced an Austin Healy 100-4 with Michelin X > tires and 48 spoke wheels. The drifting was exciting but we lost a lot of > time in the turns. When I switched to wider, stickier tires, the outside > wheels quickly became 18 spoke wheels. > > My observation: better tires require more spokes. I couldn't resist the > temptation so I switched to 72 spokes which performed flawlessly. > > And, of course, I drove the car to and from the track. > > Richard Taylor > TR-4 #196 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team..net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Tony Drews > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:30 AM > To: fot at autox.team..net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > If we're looking at 5.5" wide wheels, I doubt we're talking stock rims. > > Tony > > At 08:05 PM 7/15/2012, Terry Stetler wrote: > >Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? > Hence > >it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels > >of a stock TR-2. > > > >We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? > > > >Terry Stetler. > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Jul 16 15:41:14 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:41:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Assen Morgan Trophy In-Reply-To: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000801cd636c$1116ff30$3344fd90$@com> References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000801cd636c$1116ff30$3344fd90$@com> Message-ID: Wow, great car control skills sir. The rain is, different. Thanks for sharing the video. Terry Stetler From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Jul 16 15:12:36 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1342473156.34607.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Kas: Am I coorrect in assuming that you used the wire wheels because they were 1/2" wider than the stock steel wheels? Surely they must weigh the same, if not a bit more tham steel wheels. -Ed- --- On Mon, 7/16/12, Kas Kastner wrote: From: Kas Kastner Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires To: "Richard Taylor" , tony at tonydrews.com, "fot" Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 12:13 PM When I was racing my TR-3 it was always with the 48 spoke wheels the others were not allowed. I'd break two or three ever race and every prictice. Got pretty good at replacing them quickly without dismounting the tires. It is just not a big deal. Steet driving on 48 spokers? they'll probably last another fifty years. It wasn't until I started using sticky recaps that I had the spoke problem. Never be beaten by equipment > From: tarch at bellsouth.net > To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:23:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > Back in the mid 80's I vintage raced an Austin Healy 100-4 with Michelin X > tires and 48 spoke wheels. The drifting was exciting but we lost a lot of > time in the turns. When I switched to wider, stickier tires, the outside > wheels quickly became 18 spoke wheels. > > My observation: better tires require more spokes. I couldn't resist the > temptation so I switched to 72 spokes which performed flawlessly. > > And, of course, I drove the car to and from the track. > > Richard Taylor > TR-4 #196 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Tony Drews > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:30 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > If we're looking at 5.5" wide wheels, I doubt we're talking stock rims. > > Tony > > At 08:05 PM 7/15/2012, Terry Stetler wrote: > >Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? > Hence > >it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels > >of a stock TR-2. > > > >We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? > > > >Terry Stetler. > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 16 16:05:40 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:05:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: Amici, I have another Spitfire driver to nominate, Rich Johnson. He races a Spitfire 1500 at Waterford Hills. His email is: johnson.richard_johnsor1 at gene.com Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 16 16:10:49 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:10:49 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Morgan Trophy In-Reply-To: References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000801cd636c$1116ff30$3344fd90$@com> Message-ID: <005601cd639f$df861a30$9e924e90$@com> Thank you Sir.was the naked will to survive J Chris Von: Terry Stetler [mailto:tlizzard at msn.com] Gesendet: Montag, 16. Juli 2012 23:41 An: 'Triumph Friends of'; MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Assen Morgan Trophy Wow, great car control skills sir. The rain is, different. Thanks for sharing the video. Terry Stetler From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 16 19:01:45 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] valve cover gaskets TR4 Justin Wagner In-Reply-To: <8CF31AEA1EB2304-1010-B3F37@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> References: <1342461355.9938.YahooMailNeo@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CF31AEA1EB2304-1010-B3F37@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF31CEDE79EA2A-1010-B55CD@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> if i could talk justin into an order of 10 or so, i could get them and pass them on at cost. we could use one a year ago.....so that's one. the last time i talked to him he was 'on location' at a movie and very busy. like Sean Alexander said a few minutes ago, there just is no better way. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: mike.mehl ; fot Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:43 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] valve cover gaskets TR4 the best in the business is fot justin wagner, but job demands and a new house has kept him away from his molds. there is a guy from iowa that sells on ebay. lower cost, but after having justin's it isnt the same. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mehl To: Triumph Friends of Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 3:50 pm Subject: [Fot] valve cover gaskets TR4 I know there have been treads about the trick nice valve cover gaskets on thie forum. Please contact me off line about them. thanks Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Jul 16 19:34:48 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:34:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics Message-ID: <5004C138.7050201@comcast.net> I'm trying to wrap up my article for the local Triumph club newsletter this month and am reporting on the Portland historic race results. There is a red number 15 Triumph listed in Group 2 with no drivers name or model attached. Any idea who or what car this was? Thanks in advance. From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jul 16 19:48:26 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:48:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Assen Morgan Trophy In-Reply-To: <000801cd636c$1116ff30$3344fd90$@com> References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000801cd636c$1116ff30$3344fd90$@com> Message-ID: Wow. Dunlops on a wet track. You'd be good at Ice Racing! :) Tony At 11:00 AM 7/16/2012, MadMarx wrote: >A first video. >The first time I was scared by my own car, which was equipped with Dunlop >racing tires. >Maybe the right tire for 48 wire spoke wheels? > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2vCqUk4FGE&feature=player_embedded > >Cheers >Chris From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jul 16 19:50:31 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:50:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <8CF316BCAAEF536-1010-A8991@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF316BCAAEF536-1010-A8991@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I came in 2nd - my throttle was sticking (at least that's the excuse I'm going with) and Bob Lang managed to beat me. I never did get that bottle of wine that was the "trophy". Very cool to have that going along with the race. Tony At 08:12 AM 7/16/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >FOT: > >RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS > >While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I was reminded that we >ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. > >It was a huge success with both the race car guys and especially the street >car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony Drews ran FASTEST TIME >OF THE DAY. > >If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It will mean a fair amount >of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA personnel. We might also seek >some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs associated with this >proposed event. > >We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard core AUTOCROSSER among the >FOT LIST. > >My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last time. This only goes to >show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to want to do it. > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Jul 16 22:16:52 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 04:16:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <20120717033556.032672D1295@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1756317145.2230750.1342498612657.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Congrats for 2nd, Tony. And, to Bob for the win. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "Joe Alexander" , fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 6:50:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ I came in 2nd - my throttle was sticking (at least that's the excuse I'm going with) and Bob Lang managed to beat me. I never did get that bottle of wine that was the "trophy". Very cool to have that going along with the race. Tony At 08:12 AM 7/16/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >FOT: > >RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS > >While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I was reminded that we >ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. > >It was a huge success with both the race car guys and especially the street >car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony Drews ran FASTEST TIME >OF THE DAY. > >If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It will mean a fair amount >of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA personnel. We might also seek >some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs associated with this >proposed event. > >We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard core AUTOCROSSER among the >FOT LIST. > >My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last time. This only goes to >show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to want to do it. > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Jul 16 22:14:18 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 04:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition In-Reply-To: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com> Message-ID: <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Amazing drive as usual, Chris. I watched the whole thing and forgot what I was really supposed to be doing. It looked like first place to me. Great stuff and thanks for sharing the vids. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "Triumph Friends of" Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:15:46 AM Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition I feel a little race is coming on: Started on pole, missed it (as usual when I'm on pole), but managed to become 2nd overall and first in class: http://youtu.be/J0lz_fYtCv0 Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 17 04:04:08 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:04:08 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition In-Reply-To: <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com> <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <003e01cd6403$830eb0f0$892c12d0$@com> And race 2: http://youtu.be/Yv3HSdGFN40 _____ From: "MadMarx" < tr4racing at googlemail.com> To: "Triumph Friends of" < fot at autox.team.net> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:15:46 AM Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition I feel a little race is coming on: Started on pole, missed it (as usual when I'm on pole), but managed to become 2nd overall and first in class: http://youtu.be/J0lz_fYtCv0 Cheers Chris From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Tue Jul 17 04:30:24 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 03:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] RATCO FRAME TR3A Message-ID: <1342521024.90684.YahooMailClassic@web162203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Dear patient friends, Sooo do to another off course excursion at the hawk we now now need a new frame and a bunch of sheetmetal. I have heard good things about the RATCO chassis but am on the fence about converting to R&P. Within the R&P question is another questio? Early TR4 or late? Which rack will work best with what steering and suspension componants to produce the least bump steer? I am by no means a TR expert and not sure what works with what. I can't seem to get the forums or archives to work to see what has been written in the past. Thanks Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Tue Jul 17 04:38:34 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 03:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <20120717033603.0001D2D12E8@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1342521514.13171.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Knocking over cones is easier on the car and mechanic than glancing off concrete barriers. Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Tue, 7/17/12, Tony Drews wrote: > From: Tony Drews > Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ > To: "Joe Alexander" , fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 1:50 AM > I came in 2nd - my throttle was > sticking (at least that's the excuse > I'm going with) and Bob Lang managed to beat me. I > never did get > that bottle of wine that was the "trophy". Very cool > to have that > going along with the race. > > Tony > > At 08:12 AM 7/16/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: > >FOT: > > > >RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 > SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS > > > >While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I > was reminded that we > >ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. > > > >It was a huge success with both the race car guys and > especially the street > >car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony > Drews ran FASTEST TIME > >OF THE DAY. > > > >If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It > will mean a fair amount > >of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA > personnel. We might also seek > >some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs > associated with this > >proposed event. > > > >We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard > core AUTOCROSSER among the > >FOT LIST. > > > >My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last > time. This only goes to > >show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to > want to do it. > > > > > >Joe Alexander > >A. R. E. > >645 1st Street > >Jesup, Iowa 50648 > >319.464.4711 (cell) > >n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com From mmoore at wave1.net Tue Jul 17 06:23:22 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 08:23:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing license Message-ID: <002201cd6416$f53546e0$df9fd4a0$@net> I bought Gary Horstkorta's TR4 from California and brought it home a few weeks ago. I need some advice on getting my license. I live in Erie, PA so I am 3-4 hours from Mid-Ohio and Watkins Glen. Do I go through SVRA or another vintage organization? What driving school should I use (Barber, Mid-Ohio, etc). Basically not sure where to start. I have been running HPDE days for 2 years now, so I am ready for next step. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 17 06:51:41 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 05:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1342529501.58019.YahooMailNeo@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici, I have another Spitfire driver to nominate, Rich Johnson. He races a Spitfire 1500 at Waterford Hills. His email is: Busterwcr at aol.com Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Jul 17 07:13:49 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:13:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <1342521514.13171.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <20120717033603.0001D2D12E8@autox.team.net>, <1342521514.13171.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes the cones are soft. However, sometimes there are concrete fill steel poles lurking behind those cones. Hit one of those and you will write a car off pretty quick. Not that I have done that or anything.... :) Marty > Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 03:38:34 -0700 > From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net; tony at tonydrews.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ > > Knocking over cones is easier on the car and mechanic than glancing off > concrete barriers. > Guy Morter > Vintage Auto Service > 262 573 4511 > > Flatheads Forever! From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 17 07:18:13 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:18:13 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition References: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com> <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <007b01cd641e$9fae2900$df0a7b00$@com> Seems the link was dead: http://youtu.be/RC-dFW-R_p4 Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Juli 2012 12:04 An: 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: AW: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition And race 2: _____ From: "MadMarx" < tr4racing at googlemail.com> To: "Triumph Friends of" < fot at autox.team.net> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:15:46 AM Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition I feel a little race is coming on: Started on pole, missed it (as usual when I'm on pole), but managed to become 2nd overall and first in class: http://youtu.be/J0lz_fYtCv0 Cheers Chris From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 17 09:03:06 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:03:06 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Racing license In-Reply-To: <002201cd6416$f53546e0$df9fd4a0$@net> References: <002201cd6416$f53546e0$df9fd4a0$@net> Message-ID: <008d01cd642d$49620940$dc261bc0$@com> I have a Skip Barber book. Good book, so maybe the school is also good? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mike Moore Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Juli 2012 14:23 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Racing license I bought Gary Horstkorta's TR4 from California and brought it home a few weeks ago. I need some advice on getting my license. I live in Erie, PA so I am 3-4 hours from Mid-Ohio and Watkins Glen. Do I go through SVRA or another vintage organization? What driving school should I use (Barber, Mid-Ohio, etc). Basically not sure where to start. I have been running HPDE days for 2 years now, so I am ready for next step. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jul 17 09:15:52 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:15:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <009701cd642f$0e8e74f0$2bab5ed0$@rr.com> Second....................Always room for another Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Doug Mitchell Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 8:52 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: busterwcr at aol.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination Amici, I have another Spitfire driver to nominate, Rich Johnson. He races a Spitfire 1500 at Waterford Hills. His email is: Busterwcr at aol.com Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jul 17 09:47:49 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:47:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <1342521514.13171.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <20120717033603.0001D2D12E8@autox.team.net> <1342521514.13171.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: And easier on them than getting center punched in the right side on Friday and Left rear on Saturday at Mid Ohio John H. 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Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Tue, 7/17/12, Tony Drews wrote: > From: Tony Drews > Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE > AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ > To: "Joe Alexander" , fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 1:50 AM > I came in 2nd - my throttle was > sticking (at least that's the excuse > I'm going with) and Bob Lang managed to beat me. I never did get that > bottle of wine that was the "trophy". Very cool to have that going > along with the race. > > Tony > > At 08:12 AM 7/16/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: > >FOT: > > > >RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 > SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS > > > >While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I > was reminded that we > >ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. > > > >It was a huge success with both the race car guys and > especially the street > >car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony > Drews ran FASTEST TIME > >OF THE DAY. > > > >If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It > will mean a fair amount > >of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA > personnel. We might also seek > >some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs > associated with this > >proposed event. > > > >We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard > core AUTOCROSSER among the > >FOT LIST. > > > >My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last > time. This only goes to > >show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to > want to do it. > > > > > >Joe Alexander > >A. R. E. > >645 1st Street > >Jesup, Iowa 50648 > >319.464.4711 (cell) > >n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Tue Jul 17 10:13:22 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Need a TR3 Frame Message-ID: <1342541602.23989.YahooMailClassic@web162205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Just got off the phone with Tony at RATCO. 6-8 week delivery $4350 + and estimated $600 shipping. Anyone got a frame to sell? We want to be at the fall vintage at RA. Gracias! Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 17 10:39:43 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:39:43 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 In-Reply-To: References: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com>, <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, <007b01cd641e$9fae2900$df0a7b00$@com> Message-ID: <00a201cd643a$c71511e0$553f35a0$@com> I think this is one of my best races. I took my secret gun to town. I had no chance against the yellow TR 3 and the rusty TR 250 (you read right  the car has no paint) so I thought.now it is time to remove the air cleaners to gain some power. And it paid off. http://youtu.be/YnqwyIe8JrQ Chris From tr4.tony at virgin.net Tue Jul 17 10:36:15 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:36:15 +0100 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <1342521514.13171.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1342521514.13171.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <91BFA240-99AD-4C12-AF11-A485426215F3@virgin.net> Well I can vouch for that too - a good cage with sidebars and a properly strengthened chassis means that you can still get a podium after a tickling a few metal posts, even with the front suspension only held on at the top and by the the ARB link .... I wondered why I had to deploy a little more lock that day. Sent from my iPhone On 17 Jul 2012, at 11:38, Guy Morter wrote: > Knocking over cones is easier on the car and mechanic than glancing off > concrete barriers. > Guy Morter > Vintage Auto Service > 262 573 4511 > > Flatheads Forever! > > > --- On Tue, 7/17/12, Tony Drews wrote: > >> From: Tony Drews >> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ > KART TRACK??/ >> To: "Joe Alexander" , fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 1:50 AM >> I came in 2nd - my throttle was >> sticking (at least that's the excuse >> I'm going with) and Bob Lang managed to beat me. I >> never did get >> that bottle of wine that was the "trophy". Very cool >> to have that >> going along with the race. >> >> Tony >> >> At 08:12 AM 7/16/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >>> FOT: >>> >>> RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 >> SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS >>> >>> While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I >> was reminded that we >>> ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. >>> >>> It was a huge success with both the race car guys and >> especially the street >>> car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony >> Drews ran FASTEST TIME >>> OF THE DAY. >>> >>> If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It >> will mean a fair amount >>> of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA >> personnel. We might also seek >>> some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs >> associated with this >>> proposed event. >>> >>> We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard >> core AUTOCROSSER among the >>> FOT LIST. >>> >>> My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last >> time. This only goes to >>> show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to >> want to do it. >>> >>> >>> Joe Alexander >>> A. R. E. >>> 645 1st Street >>> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >>> 319.464.4711 (cell) >>> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From horizonracing at msn.com Tue Jul 17 11:38:40 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:38:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire h/gasket question Message-ID: Hi All, So, a street spit gets towed into my shop...new engine, unable to start ! I get it run ...well kinda, so I remove the cylinder head and find the Flame ring from the head gasket has been forced into the bores on cyl.;s 1 and 2 (now looks like a heart shape). This engine has the recesses in the block. The gasket does have the "Tab"(looks like a "county" gasket was used) , so I believe the correct gasket . Flat top pistons (+ 020 ) . What else should I look for ?Block surface is flat as is the head. The combustion chamber is is 500 thou deep to the valve, so compression is not an issue. What should the depth of the recess be ? perhaps these were re machined ? Thank you Tony Garmeywww.horizonracing.com From gasket.works at gte.net Tue Jul 17 12:38:50 2012 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:38:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] spitfire h/gasket question Message-ID: <850256380-1342550334-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-21977879-@b26.c8.bise6.blackberry> I've made copper rings to fit these recesses. They stood proud of the deck by a small amount and pressed into the gasket. ------Original Message------ From: Tony and Annie Garmey Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: FOT Subject: [Fot] spitfire h/gasket question Sent: Jul 17, 2012 1:38 PM Hi All, So, a street spit gets towed into my shop...new engine, unable to start ! I get it run ...well kinda, so I remove the cylinder head and find the Flame ring from the head gasket has been forced into the bores on cyl.;s 1 and 2 (now looks like a heart shape). This engine has the recesses in the block. The gasket does have the "Tab"(looks like a "county" gasket was used) , so I believe the correct gasket . Flat top pistons (+ 020 ) . What else should I look for ?Block surface is flat as is the head. The combustion chamber is is 500 thou deep to the valve, so compression is not an issue. What should the depth of the recess be ? perhaps these were re machined ? Thank you Tony Garmeywww.horizonracing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From list at mackenzie.aero Tue Jul 17 13:31:51 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:31:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] spitfire h/gasket question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001801cd6452$d1572ea0$74058be0$@aero> Tony: What you have described is quite common. I have had to change many head gaskets on my (and my friends) Spits and found the same scenario. They seem to run for a while then just give up for no real reason. The only gasket to consider is the one made by Payen. They seem to be the only ones that last. Some of the others will have the copper crush seals that fit into the recesses but never seal as well. Some of the paper or copper coated paper gaskets that are floating around, often made in India, are only good if the engine is an earlier block without the recess or has been skimmed. In that case I would go for a pure copper one anyway. In my humble opinion you should replace the head studs while the head is off. Stretched studs are the main cause of head gasket failures. At $5-$7 each that are not cheap but still cheaper than replacing the head gasket again after a few heat cycles. [Trust me on this...] Also pay particular attention to the torque sequence and go up in small steps. I hope this helps. Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony and Annie Garmey Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:39 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] spitfire h/gasket question Hi All, So, a street spit gets towed into my shop...new engine, unable to start ! I get it run ...well kinda, so I remove the cylinder head and find the Flame ring from the head gasket has been forced into the bores on cyl.;s 1 and 2 (now looks like a heart shape). This engine has the recesses in the block. The gasket does have the "Tab"(looks like a "county" gasket was used) , so I believe the correct gasket . Flat top pistons (+ 020 ) . What else should I look for ?Block surface is flat as is the head. The combustion chamber is is 500 thou deep to the valve, so compression is not an issue. What should the depth of the recess be ? perhaps these were re machined ? Thank you Tony Garmeywww.horizonracing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Tue Jul 17 13:34:14 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Stalled TR3 -4 Project Message-ID: <1342553654.92347.YahooMailClassic@web162205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Russ Moore can up with a suggestion for my frame dilemma. Maybe someone knows about a stalled project that has a RATCO frame and the owner is ready to surrender. Any thoughts out there? Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! From bkahler1 at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 14:09:23 2012 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:09:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 3/4 Mallory dual point - 4 sale Message-ID: Amici, I've got a Mallory dual point that we pulled off of a street TR4 for sale. I figured I would offer it here first before putting it on eBay. Contact me off list if interested. Thanks, Brad From cofrog at q.com Tue Jul 17 14:27:24 2012 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 In-Reply-To: <00a201cd643a$c71511e0$553f35a0$@com> Message-ID: <297461286.50439.1342556844818.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Glad you didn't trade paint! Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:39:43 AM Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 I think this is one of my best races. I took my secret gun to town. I had no chance against the yellow TR 3 and the rusty TR 250 (you read right B the car has no paint) so I thought.now it is time to remove the air cleaners to gain some power. And it paid off. http://youtu.be/YnqwyIe8JrQ Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Jul 17 14:35:45 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:35:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MORE spitfire h/gasket question In-Reply-To: <001801cd6452$d1572ea0$74058be0$@aero> References: , <001801cd6452$d1572ea0$74058be0$@aero> Message-ID: Ah perfect timing for this subject as I am getting ready to start on my next Spitfire engine project. Grenade number 2 if you will. I will be making another attempt at a MK3 1296. A while ago it was suggested to me that I counter bore the face of the block to accept a later head gasket out of the 1500 engines. That they would hold up better than the non-recessed earlier gaskets. If this is indeed the path to take, does anybody happen to have the dimensions (depth and diameter) of the recess on a 1500 spit engine? Opinions/suggestions welcome :) Marty From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jul 17 14:38:21 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 20:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racing license In-Reply-To: <002201cd6416$f53546e0$df9fd4a0$@net> Message-ID: <614391819.1968746.1342557501482.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Mike, Most VintageB clubs have one school per year, some have two. You should first look for the club that suits you or your location. Then make sure the car is legal for that club. Not all FoT cars are legal everywhere or so I'm told. I would get in touch withB the club you choose and see what they suggest for schools. Our club, RMVR insists that even if you arrive with an SCCA, NASA or even FIA license you still have to do their school so they can drive home the " no contact " rules and the whole vintatge spitirit thing. I think most schools around the country can include some vintageB instruction in the classroom work on an individual basis thus making you elegible for a vintage license. The place to start is really with the club you choose to run in. You may even find a driver instructor within that club that can get it done. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 6:23:22 AM Subject: [Fot] Racing license I bought Gary Horstkorta's TR4 from California and brought it home a few weeks ago. B I need some advice on getting my license. I live in Erie, PA so I am 3-4 hours from Mid-Ohio and Watkins Glen. B Do I go through SVRA or another vintage organization? What driving school should I use (Barber, Mid-Ohio, etc). B Basically not sure where to start. B I have been running HPDE days for 2 years now, so I am ready for next step. B Thanks Mike B Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 B Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103 Fax: B B B B 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 17 14:56:22 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Wagner Valve Cover Gasket- Message-ID: <8CF3275C15A3192-EFC-D8EE@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Tooling has been essentially mothballed in a warehouse for the time being. No new gaskets will be available in the near term. I tried with an offer of buying 10 to pass on at cost. We could use one or two. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From markvaden at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 15:31:14 2012 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:31:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 In-Reply-To: <00a201cd643a$c71511e0$553f35a0$@com> References: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com> <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <007b01cd641e$9fae2900$df0a7b00$@com> <00a201cd643a$c71511e0$553f35a0$@com> Message-ID: Chris, I really enjoyed your pass at around the 15 minute mark. What happened to the tr250 at the end? -Mark On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:39 AM, MadMarx wrote: > I think this is one of my best races. > > > > I took my secret gun to town. I had no chance against the yellow TR 3 and > the rusty TR 250 (you read right the car has no paint) so I thought .now > it is time to remove the air cleaners to gain some power. And it paid off. > > > > http://youtu.be/YnqwyIe8JrQ > > > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/markvaden at gmail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 17 15:37:39 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 23:37:39 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 In-Reply-To: References: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com> <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <007b01cd641e$9fae2900$df0a7b00$@com> <00a201cd643a$c71511e0$553f35a0$@com> Message-ID: <003801cd6464$65d3d0e0$317b72a0$@com> Mark, the TR 250 locked one of the front brake and went wide but recovered and crossed the finish line behind me. Cheers Chris Von: Mark Vaden [mailto:markvaden at gmail.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Juli 2012 23:31 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 Chris, I really enjoyed your pass at around the 15 minute mark. What happened to the tr250 at the end? -Mark On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:39 AM, MadMarx wrote: I think this is one of my best races. I took my secret gun to town. I had no chance against the yellow TR 3 and the rusty TR 250 (you read right the car has no paint) so I thought .now it is time to remove the air cleaners to gain some power. And it paid off. http://youtu.be/YnqwyIe8JrQ Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/markvaden at gmail.com From bkahler1 at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 16:38:15 2012 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:38:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 3/4 Mallory dual point - 4 sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The distributor has been sold. On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Amici, > > I've got a Mallory dual point that we pulled off of a street TR4 for sale. > I figured I would offer it here first before putting it on eBay. > > Contact me off list if interested. > > Thanks, > > Brad From jason at multivintage.com Tue Jul 17 17:01:38 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:01:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 In-Reply-To: <003801cd6464$65d3d0e0$317b72a0$@com> References: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com> <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <007b01cd641e$9fae2900$df0a7b00$@com> <00a201cd643a$c71511e0$553f35a0$@com> <003801cd6464$65d3d0e0$317b72a0$@com> Message-ID: Great race... Yep definitely one of your best. did you just simply remove the air filters, making no other changes to the fuel mixture? thanks for the show. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:37 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Mark, > > > > the TR 250 locked one of the front brake and went wide but recovered and > crossed the finish line behind me. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > Von: Mark Vaden [mailto:markvaden at gmail.com] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Juli 2012 23:31 > An: MadMarx > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 > > > > Chris, > > > > I really enjoyed your pass at around the 15 minute mark. What happened to > the tr250 at the end? > > > > -Mark > > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:39 AM, MadMarx wrote: > > I think this is one of my best races. > > > > I took my secret gun to town. I had no chance against the yellow TR 3 and > the rusty TR 250 (you read right the car has no paint) so I thought .now > it is time to remove the air cleaners to gain some power. And it paid off. > > > > http://youtu.be/YnqwyIe8JrQ > > > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/markvaden at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 17 21:33:44 2012 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 20:33:44 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 Message-ID: <11561700.1342582425033.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> You were clearly faster than that rust-bucket TR250. That guy was all over the track, blocking and weaving. Congrats on the win, and what an amazing track! In our race club, paint is required on all vehicles. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: MadMarx >Sent: Jul 17, 2012 9:39 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 > >I think this is one of my best races. > > > >I took my secret gun to town. I had no chance against the yellow TR 3 and >the rusty TR 250 (you read right  the car has no paint) so I thought.now >it is time to remove the air cleaners to gain some power. And it paid off. > > > >http://youtu.be/YnqwyIe8JrQ > > > >Chris >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 18 01:52:35 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:52:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 In-Reply-To: <11561700.1342582425033.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <11561700.1342582425033.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001501cd64ba$4cf0b330$e6d21990$@com> Hi Steve, we are required also paint but unfortunately we didn't say it has to be on the outside of the car. At his car all parts are glossy painted from inside. Drivers compartment, engine room, frame and trunk looks like on a concour car. Have a look: http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5800.jpg http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5803.jpg http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5802.jpg The car has so many nice details like the illuminated skull or the sticker. In race 1 + 2 I was beaten by "Genuine stolen parts" which one of the stickers shows. :-) The rat racer turns out to be peoples darling and always crowds build up around this car because of the quality how the "rust" is presented. But we allow only ONE car in this manner. Cheers Chris -----UrsprC References: <11561700.1342582425033.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001501cd64ba$4cf0b330$e6d21990$@com> Message-ID: <9225F52C-0922-4928-AFE0-87F0CF849BF0@virgin.net> Oh Iike that car .... Sent from my iPhone On 18 Jul 2012, at 08:52, "MadMarx" wrote: > Hi Steve, > > we are required also paint but unfortunately we didn't say it has to be on the > outside of the car. > At his car all parts are glossy painted from inside. Drivers compartment, > engine room, frame and trunk looks like on a concour car. > > Have a look: > http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5800.jpg > http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5803.jpg > http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5802.jpg > > The car has so many nice details like the illuminated skull or the sticker. > In race 1 + 2 I was beaten by "Genuine stolen parts" which one of the stickers > shows. :-) > > The rat racer turns out to be peoples darling and always crowds build up > around this car because of the quality how the "rust" is presented. > > But we allow only ONE car in this manner. > > > Cheers > Chris > > -----UrsprC Von: steve [mailto:colordog.1 at earthlink.net] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2012 05:34 > An: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 > > You were clearly faster than that rust-bucket TR250. That guy was all over > the track, blocking and weaving. > Congrats on the win, and what an amazing track! > > In our race club, paint is required on all vehicles. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 06:22:05 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:22:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 In-Reply-To: <9225F52C-0922-4928-AFE0-87F0CF849BF0@virgin.net> References: <11561700.1342582425033.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001501cd64ba$4cf0b330$e6d21990$@com> <9225F52C-0922-4928-AFE0-87F0CF849BF0@virgin.net> Message-ID: Boy, that looks worse than than the Lemons racers cars that we have in the states ! Nice tires and wheels though ! On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 4:18 AM, TR4 Tony wrote: > Oh Iike that car .... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 18 Jul 2012, at 08:52, "MadMarx" wrote: > > > Hi Steve, > > > > we are required also paint but unfortunately we didn't say it has to be > on > the > > outside of the car. > > At his car all parts are glossy painted from inside. Drivers compartment, > > engine room, frame and trunk looks like on a concour car. > > > > Have a look: > > http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5800.jpg > > http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5803.jpg > > http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5802.jpg > > > > The car has so many nice details like the illuminated skull or the > sticker. > > In race 1 + 2 I was beaten by "Genuine stolen parts" which one of the > stickers > > shows. :-) > > > > The rat racer turns out to be peoples darling and always crowds build up > > around this car because of the quality how the "rust" is presented. > > > > But we allow only ONE car in this manner. > > > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > -----UrsprC > Von: steve [mailto:colordog.1 at earthlink.net] > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2012 05:34 > > An: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 > > > > You were clearly faster than that rust-bucket TR250. That guy was all > over > > the track, blocking and weaving. > > Congrats on the win, and what an amazing track! > > > > In our race club, paint is required on all vehicles. > > > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 18 07:03:12 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale Message-ID: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> A M I C I I need your help. My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the past two years. There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add ...and no sale to date. Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? Any suggestions? Thanks Dennis From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Jul 18 08:50:49 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:50:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> The other two TR4's listed along with yours have been on for a long time as well and they are only slighly cheaper. I listed a Datsun 2000 for 24K a few years back and had thousands of views with only a couple of lame inquiries. I ended up selling at 16K and it was in beautiful and race ready condition. You can continue to wait it out or drop the price until the calls start to come in. Bob ---- Dennis DeLap wrote: > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the > past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add > ...and no sale > to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jul 18 09:02:09 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:02:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> References: <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> Message-ID: You might try Bring-a-Trailer or figuring out how to list it for European sale. Always seems to me that pricing is higher in the UK, though perhaps not for a LHD car. On Jul 18, 2012, at 10:50 AM, rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com wrote: The other two TR4's listed along with yours have been on for a long time as well and they are only slighly cheaper. I listed a Datsun 2000 for 24K a few years back and had thousands of views with only a couple of lame inquiries. I ended up selling at 16K and it was in beautiful and race ready condition. You can continue to wait it out or drop the price until the calls start to come in. Bob ---- Dennis DeLap wrote: > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the > past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add > ...and no sale > to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Jul 18 09:19:12 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:19:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> Message-ID: <002101cd64f8$afd8a410$0f89ec30$@rogers.com> Perhaps advertise other places such as the forums for race organizations, ones for TR4s, VTR site, and perhaps UK Triumph sites . I have sold street Triumphs TR8s that went to Belgium and Norway from Canada. I put an ad up on a local internet site, Kijiji.ca and went on forums and sites and posted links to the local Kijiji ad. You would be surprised how it gets around when you do that. Advertising on the race car sites I would think provides too many comparisons and leads to other cars, thus diluting the effect of your ad. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sent: July 18, 2012 10:51 AM To: Dennis DeLap; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale The other two TR4's listed along with yours have been on for a long time as well and they are only slighly cheaper. I listed a Datsun 2000 for 24K a few years back and had thousands of views with only a couple of lame inquiries. I ended up selling at 16K and it was in beautiful and race ready condition. You can continue to wait it out or drop the price until the calls start to come in. Bob ---- Dennis DeLap wrote: > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add ...and no sale to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Jul 18 09:22:32 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:22:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <002101cd64f8$afd8a410$0f89ec30$@rogers.com> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> <002101cd64f8$afd8a410$0f89ec30$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <002201cd64f9$275a8350$760f89f0$@rogers.com> Another way to get good coverage is to write an article on the car for VTR and other Triumph clubs especially those that cater to TR4s, they are usually looking for articles and it builds interest in the uniqueness of your car -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: July 18, 2012 11:19 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale Perhaps advertise other places such as the forums for race organizations, ones for TR4s, VTR site, and perhaps UK Triumph sites . I have sold street Triumphs TR8s that went to Belgium and Norway from Canada. I put an ad up on a local internet site, Kijiji.ca and went on forums and sites and posted links to the local Kijiji ad. You would be surprised how it gets around when you do that. Advertising on the race car sites I would think provides too many comparisons and leads to other cars, thus diluting the effect of your ad. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sent: July 18, 2012 10:51 AM To: Dennis DeLap; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale The other two TR4's listed along with yours have been on for a long time as well and they are only slighly cheaper. I listed a Datsun 2000 for 24K a few years back and had thousands of views with only a couple of lame inquiries. I ended up selling at 16K and it was in beautiful and race ready condition. You can continue to wait it out or drop the price until the calls start to come in. Bob ---- Dennis DeLap wrote: > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add ...and no sale to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Wed Jul 18 11:02:03 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:02:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A43B6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Dennis; Your car looks great & well prepared. But it appears your price is too high, particularly considering the engine has seven race weekends on it. Also, cars that were raced back in the day are worth more than those built to be vintage racers, in other words your car has no vintage race provenance. That does matter to many vintage racers. My neighbor is a dealer, and has always told me that if the phone doesn't ring it's because the price is too high. I have found that to be dead on accurate advice. You're dealing with an extremely small target market, selling a fairly big ticket item basically sight unseen. Forget what you've got into the car. Find what other TR4's are actually selling for (NOT asking price). Lower the price until the phone rings. Ed -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dennis DeLap Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:03 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale A M I C I I need your help. My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the past two years. There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add ...and no sale to date. Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? Any suggestions? Thanks Dennis _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 11:28:43 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:28:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A43B6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A43B6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: Dennis, the car is nice and well prepaired....but the economy is bad and from what I see and hear that things are going to get worse, people right now are holding their money and only a small group are spending it on race cars.Be patient, someone out of the country may be interested. A guy here in town had the same feeling and someone over seas bought his TR-4 and shipped it out of our port. On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Dennis; > > Your car looks great & well prepared. But it appears your price is too > high, > particularly considering the engine has seven race weekends on it. Also, > cars > that were raced back in the day are worth more than those built to be > vintage > racers, in other words your car has no vintage race provenance. That does > matter to many vintage racers. My neighbor is a dealer, and has always > told > me that if the phone doesn't ring it's because the price is too high. I > have > found that to be dead on accurate advice. You're dealing with an extremely > small target market, selling a fairly big ticket item basically sight > unseen. > Forget what you've got into the car. Find what other TR4's are actually > selling for (NOT asking price). Lower the price until the phone rings. > > Ed > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf > Of Dennis DeLap > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:03 AM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the > past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add > ...and no sale > to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jul 18 11:41:31 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:41:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A43B6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <34CF9D24C5594E8EB925153CF21E965F@Bud> Just to butt in a bit.....I'm proud of the fact that my Spitfire has been a race car(SCCA and then vintage) since the early 1970s(except when it was abandoned and then rescued)....When I look at my little Spitfire I see and feel history...racing history that has carried on through my most recent race(2011)... So..it's about me and my car..that special relationship that goes beyond $$. Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Dunn" To: "Dennis DeLap" ; "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > Dennis; > > Your car looks great & well prepared. But it appears your price is too > high, > particularly considering the engine has seven race weekends on it. Also, > cars > that were raced back in the day are worth more than those built to be > vintage > racers, in other words your car has no vintage race provenance. That does > matter to many vintage racers. My neighbor is a dealer, and has always > told > me that if the phone doesn't ring it's because the price is too high. I > have > found that to be dead on accurate advice. You're dealing with an > extremely > small target market, selling a fairly big ticket item basically sight > unseen. > Forget what you've got into the car. Find what other TR4's are actually > selling for (NOT asking price). Lower the price until the phone rings. > > Ed > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf > Of Dennis DeLap > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:03 AM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the > past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add > ...and no sale > to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jul 18 17:54:29 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Circlips needed for Hepolite Powermax Message-ID: <1167204350.74082.1342655669066.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello all, Thinking that circlips are never reused, I tossed some after engine disassembly. Now I find that the round wire type are not easy to come by. Does anyone happen to have a stash of .0625" round wire circlips for 87mm. Hepolite Powermax pistons? Or a source for them? I'd certainly prefer to use a fresh set if possible. btw, the few that I have actually measured closer to .064" and both ends are curled. Thanks, Dave H. From igofaster at att.net Wed Jul 18 19:43:21 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1342662201.96642.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> in the pawnshop business (or any business) ... if you have an inventory problem you have a pricing problem... like, 100 guitars that don't sell (priced too high) or 100 guitars that sold out in a short period (priced too low)... $28,000.00 seems high even for a nice concours TR4.... IMHO... if the car has documented race history with notables... then.... maybe... Triumph(s) owner and Pawn Star of CVAR.... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Dennis DeLap To: FOT Sent: Wed, July 18, 2012 8:03:24 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale A M I C I I need your help. My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the past two years. There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add ...and no sale to date. Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? Any suggestions? Thanks Dennis _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 18 20:48:11 2012 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:48:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire tires Message-ID: It appears that sticky sport radial road tires in 13" sizes suitable for use on Spitfires are getting rare these days. Does anyone have any suggestions of which tires are still available? Thanks, Joe Curry From robertten1 at aol.com Wed Jul 18 21:23:39 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire tires In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF337506413AB5-1AC4-1DB1B@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> Toyo R888 tires, I use them ... great in dry and wet. Difference between these and slicks is that they talk in the turns where slicks talk when beyond their limit. Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry To: 'fot' Sent: Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:48 pm Subject: [Fot] Spitfire tires It appears that sticky sport radial road tires in 13" sizes suitable for use on Spitfires are getting rare these days. Does anyone have any suggestions of which tires are still available? Thanks, Joe Curry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Jul 19 07:20:49 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:20:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <1342662201.96642.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1342662201.96642.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just to add a little to this , as for my car I feel like the car is part of me also and would be hard to part with it, but for the selling point I have taken and aquired alot of racing photos of the car for resale when I get to old to drive it, my kids are all girls and to turn the car over to them when I pass away would be like crushing the car because they wouldn't know what to do with it or could keep it up or running good. This is when I will sell and all the documentation and photos would be a plus to the buyer and they can see what the history and the tracks the car has run at. I think the price is good. It is the younger crowd as we grow older may want something else more to their time in life, I am surprised at some of the younger crwd wanting the 60's and 70's muscle cars so we may be in luck yet ! On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > in the pawnshop business (or any business) ... if you have an inventory > problem > you have a pricing problem... like, 100 guitars that don't sell (priced > too > high) or 100 guitars that sold out in a short period (priced too low)... > > $28,000.00 seems high even for a nice concours TR4.... IMHO... > > if the car has documented race history with notables... then.... maybe... > > Triumph(s) owner and Pawn Star of CVAR.... Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Dennis DeLap > To: FOT > Sent: Wed, July 18, 2012 8:03:24 AM > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the > past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add > ...and no sale > to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jul 19 10:03:35 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] CALIFORNIA AIR SHIPPING STATUS Message-ID: <8CF33DF2F4B9123-1EA8-282E0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com> FOT: All available DVDs have been shipped this week against the orders. More CALIFORNIA AIR DVDs are due from the UK next Monday and will be assembled, packaged, and shipped by the end of next week. (I will in OSHKOSH for EAA's AIRVENTURE until Wednesday) John Clancy has produced other DVDs on Triumphs. I find his work remarkable and plan to add them to my collection. Regards, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Jul 19 12:03:14 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Free Parts Message-ID: <1163314356.114058.1342720994323.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello: I have two, 1.75" SU carburetor domes, pistons and springs plus two turn signal assemblies (rubber socket, bulb plate, lens and chrome ring) all off my TR4. All items are in good condition. These are free for the asking plus cost of shipping. Contact me offline. Gary From mmoore at wave1.net Thu Jul 19 12:09:40 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:09:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil Message-ID: <007401cd65d9$aae315d0$00a94170$@net> I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a higher concentration of zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jul 19 12:11:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Order Info Again CALIFORNIA AIR In-Reply-To: References: , <8CF2E6A54C4F4E6-D18-80227@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com>, , <8CF2E6F6EA045E6-D18-80A9A@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com>, , <8CF2E748E3293C0-D18-814D8@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com>, , <8CF2E82978E02B0-8D0-817D6@webmail-m073.sysops.aol.com> , <8CF310864BE0B4C-1EF4-A52A9@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF33F11BC71C4E-1EA8-2BB15@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com> FOT I posted shipping status and got a bunch of new inquiries: Once again............. $28 PAYPAL n197tr4 at cs.com or check ARE 645 1ST STREET JESUP, IOWA 50548 YOUTUBE LINK BELOW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twWHfzI8oiw 25 more are coming from the UK, but at this rate they will not last long. If you have certain plans to order, please do so. We have an assembly operation set up and wish to do efficiently. If we need to order more, we can do right away and be done with it for awhile. Thanks....I will be looking forward to hearing the reviews as California Air is received and played. I suspect the impressions will be the same as mine. I think it is an important historical documentary and the reason that the FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH exists today. Then add the amazing footage at Road Atlanta from THE MITTY and you have a high form of entertainment. Joe A. From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Thu Jul 19 12:31:12 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:31:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1342662201.96642.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A43EF@TITAN.dwholdings.local> With any luck, you'll end up with decent son in laws, one who might want to race the car. If there any guys on scene now, why not get them started racing and see your car being enjoyed? Don't assume your girls won't want to race either. My wife loves racing, and our grown daughter is getting interested. Ed -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Deanes Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:21 AM To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale Just to add a little to this , as for my car I feel like the car is part of me also and would be hard to part with it, but for the selling point I have taken and aquired alot of racing photos of the car for resale when I get to old to drive it, my kids are all girls and to turn the car over to them when I pass away would be like crushing the car because they wouldn't know what to do with it or could keep it up or running good. This is when I will sell and all the documentation and photos would be a plus to the buyer and they can see what the history and the tracks the car has run at. I think the price is good. It is the younger crowd as we grow older may want something else more to their time in life, I am surprised at some of the younger crwd wanting the 60's and 70's muscle cars so we may be in luck yet ! On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > in the pawnshop business (or any business) ... if you have an inventory > problem > you have a pricing problem... like, 100 guitars that don't sell (priced > too > high) or 100 guitars that sold out in a short period (priced too low)... > > $28,000.00 seems high even for a nice concours TR4.... IMHO... > > if the car has documented race history with notables... then.... maybe... > > Triumph(s) owner and Pawn Star of CVAR.... Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Dennis DeLap > To: FOT > Sent: Wed, July 18, 2012 8:03:24 AM > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the > past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add > ...and no sale > to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Jul 19 13:10:35 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:10:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Free parts Message-ID: The SU parts and turn signals are spoken for. Gary Sent from my iPad From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Jul 19 13:14:49 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:14:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil References: <007401cd65d9$aae315d0$00a94170$@net> Message-ID: <9E6686275A9445BCA5539AEC39EDA6AD@owner8914bbf7f> I use, and have been for years, a product that already has ZDDP in it. It's called STP. Check the can for ingredients.. A friend who's been racing since '66 swears by it. I run 20-50 Valvoline Racing oil with STP. Doing OK so far. ZDDPlus couldn't hurt either. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:09 PM Subject: [Fot] Oil >I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a higher concentration of > zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Jul 19 13:28:30 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:28:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing license References: <002201cd6416$f53546e0$df9fd4a0$@net> Message-ID: Mike, first off, consider which vintage bunch, or bunches, you want to run with. Then contact the organization, or check their website, and see whose schools they accept. Some will accept the Mid Ohio school, SCCA, Skip Barbour, Bondurant, etc. One of the best, for my $, is the VSCDA's Spring Brake, held at Gingerman in early May. Great school, great track, and a good bunch of folks. I think Duck Waddle is still instructing there. I belong to SVRA, because their license is accepted anywhere. Also VRG, 'cause they are a good bunch. SVRA will want newbies, no matter whose license you have, to take a Track Orientation Program for every track. Ain't cheap but one of the instructors is Peter Krause; he's good. Talk to you later, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 8:23 AM Subject: [Fot] Racing license >I bought Gary Horstkorta's TR4 from California and brought it home a few > weeks ago. > > > > I need some advice on getting my license. I live in Erie, PA so I am 3-4 > hours from Mid-Ohio and Watkins Glen. > > > > Do I go through SVRA or another vintage organization? What driving school > should I use (Barber, Mid-Ohio, etc). > > > > Basically not sure where to start. > > > > I have been running HPDE days for 2 years now, so I am ready for next > step. > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From garygret at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 19 13:42:37 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A43EF@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1342662201.96642.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A43EF@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <1342726957.42257.YahooMailNeo@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There are at least ten women racing in Midwestern Council including my wife. One's a lead instructor, two are 18-year-old second-gen racers. MC has a Big Wheel race for the kiddies each year and a number of Big Wheelers have become racers a dozen years later. Get 'em while they're young :-) Gary Schneider >________________________________ > From: Edward Dunn >To: Robert Deanes >Cc: FoT Triumph >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:31 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > >With any luck, you'll end up with decent son in laws, one who might want to >race the car. If there any guys on scene now, why not get them started racing >and see your car being enjoyed? Don't assume your girls won't want to race >either. My wife loves racing, and our grown daughter is getting interested. > >Ed > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf >Of Robert Deanes >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:21 AM >To: Bobby Whitehead >Cc: FoT Triumph >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > >Just to add a little to this , as for my car I feel like the car is part of >me also and would be hard to part with it, but for the selling point I have >taken and aquired alot of racing photos of the car for resale when I get to >old to drive it, my kids are all girls and to turn the car over to them >when I pass away would be like crushing the car because they wouldn't know >what to do with it or could keep it up or running good. This is when I will >sell and all the documentation and photos would be a plus to the buyer and >they can see what the history and the tracks the car has run at. I think >the price is good. >It is the younger crowd as we grow older may want something else more to >their time in life, I am surprised at some of the younger crwd wanting the >60's and 70's muscle cars so we may be in luck yet ! > >On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> in the pawnshop business (or any business) ... if you have an inventory >> problem >> you have a pricing problem... like, 100 guitars that don't sell (priced >> too >> high) or 100 guitars that sold out in a short period (priced too low)... >> >> $28,000.00 seems high even for a nice concours TR4.... IMHO... >> >> if the car has documented race history with notables... then.... maybe... >> >> Triumph(s) owner and Pawn Star of CVAR.... Bobby Whitehead >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Dennis DeLap >> To: FOT >> Sent: Wed, July 18, 2012 8:03:24 AM >> Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale >> >> A M I C I >> >> I need your help. >> My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the >> past two years. >> There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add >> ...and no sale >> to date. >> Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? >> >> Any suggestions? >> Thanks >> Dennis >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com >> >> >> > > >-- >rob deanes >TR Racer >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net From tedtsimx at bright.net Thu Jul 19 14:46:09 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:46:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] part needed Message-ID: <50087211.2070406@bright.net> Hello list. Looking for an ADDCO rear sway bar for aTR4. Any help is appreciated. Thanks,Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Thu Jul 19 16:23:25 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil In-Reply-To: <9E6686275A9445BCA5539AEC39EDA6AD@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: <1342736605.88344.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Brad Penn The green oil Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Thu, 7/19/12, william r tobin wrote: > From: william r tobin > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil > To: "Mike Moore" , fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:14 PM > I use, and have been for years, a > product that already has ZDDP in it. It's > called STP. Check the can for ingredients.. > A friend who's been racing since '66 swears by it. > I run 20-50 Valvoline Racing oil with STP. Doing OK so far. > ZDDPlus couldn't hurt either. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Moore" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:09 PM > Subject: [Fot] Oil > > > >I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a > higher concentration of > > zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Thu Jul 19 18:01:02 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:01:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil In-Reply-To: <1342736605.88344.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1342736605.88344.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I was given similar advice at my first race event regarding the STP. I changed out the oil I was running for Castrol GTX 20/50 plus the STP and it made a big difference in my oil pressure. Same thing I used to run as a kid and I should have stuck to it I guess. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-19, at 6:30 PM, "Guy Morter" wrote: > Brad Penn The green oil > Guy Morter > Vintage Auto Service > 262 573 4511 > > Flatheads Forever! > > > --- On Thu, 7/19/12, william r tobin wrote: > >> From: william r tobin >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil >> To: "Mike Moore" , fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:14 PM >> I use, and have been for years, a >> product that already has ZDDP in it. It's >> called STP. Check the can for ingredients.. >> A friend who's been racing since '66 swears by it. >> I run 20-50 Valvoline Racing oil with STP. Doing OK so far. >> ZDDPlus couldn't hurt either. >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Moore" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:09 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Oil >> >> >>> I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a >> higher concentration of >>> zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>> >>> 2007 West 32nd Street >>> >>> Erie, PA 16508 >>> >>> >>> >>> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >>> >>> Fax: 814-864-7383 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jul 19 18:34:09 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:34:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil In-Reply-To: References: <1342736605.88344.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6F62CFB9-E0C6-41C7-A778-E6C55F30086B@austin.rr.com> Not all STP had ZDDP, be careful as there are two types. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2012, at 7:01 PM, Vince G wrote: > I was given similar advice at my first race event regarding the STP. I changed > out the oil I was running for Castrol GTX 20/50 plus the STP and it made a big > difference in my oil pressure. Same thing I used to run as a kid and I should > have stuck to it I guess. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-07-19, at 6:30 PM, "Guy Morter" wrote: > >> Brad Penn The green oil >> Guy Morter >> Vintage Auto Service >> 262 573 4511 >> >> Flatheads Forever! >> >> >> --- On Thu, 7/19/12, william r tobin wrote: >> >>> From: william r tobin >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil >>> To: "Mike Moore" , fot at autox.team.net >>> Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:14 PM >>> I use, and have been for years, a >>> product that already has ZDDP in it. It's >>> called STP. Check the can for ingredients.. >>> A friend who's been racing since '66 swears by it. >>> I run 20-50 Valvoline Racing oil with STP. Doing OK so far. >>> ZDDPlus couldn't hurt either. >>> Bill >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mike Moore" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:09 PM >>> Subject: [Fot] Oil >>> >>> >>>> I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a >>> higher concentration of >>>> zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>>> >>>> 2007 West 32nd Street >>>> >>>> Erie, PA 16508 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >>>> >>>> Fax: 814-864-7383 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jul 19 21:13:16 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:13:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil In-Reply-To: <007401cd65d9$aae315d0$00a94170$@net> References: <007401cd65d9$aae315d0$00a94170$@net> Message-ID: VR-1 should have sufficient ZDDP as is. However I do add a bit of GM's EOS to it. The VR-1 has more ZDDP than oil normally did before they cut the amount down and our cams started going away. Tony At 01:09 PM 7/19/2012, you wrote: >I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a higher concentration of >zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? > > > >Thanks > >Mike > > > >Michael T. Moore, CPA > >2007 West 32nd Street > >Erie, PA 16508 > > > >Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > >Fax: 814-864-7383 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From mnewman at embarqmail.com Fri Jul 20 07:42:57 2012 From: mnewman at embarqmail.com (William T newman) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire tires In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <784005494.143995.1342791777759.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> I have had success with Sumitomo HTR 200 in Size 215/50 R1 as a great street tire or racing rain. It appears that Tire Rack no longer carries them, but it would be worth looking around to see if someone else has them. Bill Newman ----- Original Message ----- It appears that sticky sport radial road tires in 13" sizes suitable for use on Spitfires are getting rare these days. Does anyone have any suggestions of which tires are still available? Thanks, Joe Curry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mnewman at embarqmail.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jul 20 08:29:05 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:29:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil In-Reply-To: <1342736605.88344.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <9E6686275A9445BCA5539AEC39EDA6AD@owner8914bbf7f> <1342736605.88344.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B257B927A1B45719C6C255A21D93A46@gdhs.local> 10 - 4 on the Brad Penn John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Guy Morter Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:23 PM To: Mike Moore; fot at autox.team.net; william r tobin Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Brad Penn The green oil Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Thu, 7/19/12, william r tobin wrote: > From: william r tobin > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil > To: "Mike Moore" , fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:14 PM I use, and have been for years, > a product that already has ZDDP in it. It's called STP. Check the can > for ingredients.. > A friend who's been racing since '66 swears by it. > I run 20-50 Valvoline Racing oil with STP. Doing OK so far. > ZDDPlus couldn't hurt either. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Moore" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:09 PM > Subject: [Fot] Oil > > > >I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a > higher concentration of > > zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.ne > > t > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jul 20 08:32:38 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:32:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire tires In-Reply-To: <784005494.143995.1342791777759.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> References: <784005494.143995.1342791777759.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: <0295A235C30F411E993A38207974D6A6@gdhs.local> I once ran a Jensen Healey and used 13" Avon tyres available from Sasco. I know they fit Genitta G4's. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William T newman Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 9:43 AM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire tires I have had success with Sumitomo HTR 200 in Size 215/50 R1 as a great street tire or racing rain. It appears that Tire Rack no longer carries them, but it would be worth looking around to see if someone else has them. Bill Newman ----- Original Message ----- It appears that sticky sport radial road tires in 13" sizes suitable for use on Spitfires are getting rare these days. Does anyone have any suggestions of which tires are still available? Thanks, Joe Curry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mnewman at embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Jul 20 09:06:54 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... Message-ID: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> Amici... Revisiting this thread about modern engine oil and its lack of zinc, makes me think of rumors I've heard down through the years about adding a 'bit' of oil to the gasoline in our old sports cars. The way I've heard it is that back in the day, particularly the Brits (back in the old country) would add a 'bit' of engine oil to their petrol for lubricating purposes. Anyone else hear that...or do that? Bill Dentinger From riverside at southslope.net Fri Jul 20 09:14:36 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:14:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil In-Reply-To: <3B257B927A1B45719C6C255A21D93A46@gdhs.local> References: <9E6686275A9445BCA5539AEC39EDA6AD@owner8914bbf7f><1342736605.88344.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <3B257B927A1B45719C6C255A21D93A46@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <7F52910516514F60948D3D27F4C77B81@rileyPC> I am a Brad Penn dealer. I really like it. Ran it in an Alfa at a chump car race. After 5 hours, it was like new. It is the old Kendall GT1 art de armond -----Original Message----- From: john hasty Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 9:29 AM To: 'Guy Morter' ; 'Mike Moore' ; fot at autox.team.net ; 'william r tobin' Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil 10 - 4 on the Brad Penn John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Guy Morter Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:23 PM To: Mike Moore; fot at autox.team.net; william r tobin Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Brad Penn The green oil Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Thu, 7/19/12, william r tobin wrote: > From: william r tobin > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil > To: "Mike Moore" , fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:14 PM I use, and have been for years, > a product that already has ZDDP in it. It's called STP. Check the can > for ingredients.. > A friend who's been racing since '66 swears by it. > I run 20-50 Valvoline Racing oil with STP. Doing OK so far. > ZDDPlus couldn't hurt either. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Moore" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:09 PM > Subject: [Fot] Oil > > > >I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a > higher concentration of > > zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.ne > > t > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5142 - Release Date: 07/19/12 From klynch_6 at msn.com Fri Jul 20 09:31:09 2012 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:31:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] RMVR's warm Charity Race Message-ID: Despite heavy hearts re; what happened early this morning, Chris's Spitfire, Jim Roelof & Jim Gray, Dan Forgey ? TR4s'. The 'Subprime Vintage Race' GT-6 & I will be out flailing away as well, in the triple digits for our Cancer fund-raising @ High Plains Raceway - http://rmvr.com/race-against-kids-cancer-2/ Kevin From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jul 20 10:09:07 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:09:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... References: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> Message-ID: <564D784B16A34B75BA36D07FE78A1FAB@Bud> try a litle Castor oil in the gas...in the old days it helped lube the SU carbs...and gave the car that distinct 'Race car aroma' Racer Bud..Spitfire # 21 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 8:06 AM Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... > Amici... > > Revisiting this thread about modern engine oil and its lack of zinc, makes > me think of rumors I've heard down through the years about adding a 'bit' > of > oil to the gasoline in our old sports cars. The way I've heard it is that > back in the day, particularly the Brits (back in the old country) would > add > a 'bit' of engine oil to their petrol for lubricating purposes. Anyone > else > hear that...or do that? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 20 10:15:47 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction In-Reply-To: <002101cd64f8$afd8a410$0f89ec30$@rogers.com> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> <002101cd64f8$afd8a410$0f89ec30$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1342800947.43568.YahooMailRC@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Come on guys - there must be someone out there in FOT land who could turn a profit with this car. Let's have an auction right here, right now. Do I here $16k? D ---- Dennis DeLap wrote: > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add ...and no sale to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jul 20 10:25:32 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... In-Reply-To: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> References: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF34AB6AD3C56D-7D0-4D52@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> We had a gas pump at the shop and I would use the shop oil container used for pouring oil into tractor engine. It always had residual oil in it when I filled the lawnmower. Dad said, "it wont hurt a thing, and might be useful". That's what my dad said, anyway. You'd think that gas pump would have been useful during HS years, but it wasnt. But that's another story. Joe Alexander From list at mackenzie.aero Fri Jul 20 10:55:50 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:55:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire tires In-Reply-To: <784005494.143995.1342791777759.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> References: <784005494.143995.1342791777759.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: <001301cd6698$84bb4520$8e31cf60$@aero> I am going through this as I need to procure a set of tyres for a GT6 I just bought for my wife. Good 13 inch street tyres are getting very hard to find no that the HTR200 is out of production. The only thing they make now in a 13 is the T4 which in a mini-van tyre. I have HTR200s (185/60-13) on my street Spit 1500 and a set of 155/50/13s for rain and autocross use. The best choice I can find is 175/70-13s with a choice of either Michelin or General. The Michelin Defender is a new tyre and has no reviews but I have always had good experience with Michelin. However at $84 each they are pricy. Country of origin: Mexico The General Altimax RT gets great reviews and at $50 each is priced right. They are made in Mexico or Brazil (Is it too much to ask to buy a tyre made here?) I will most likely order the Generals unless somebody else can suggest a better option. On another note if you are looking for 13 inch slicks for race/track day/autoX I have been buying sets very cheaply off e-bay. Just do a search for "usdrrt 13". For example he has sets of 4 Hoosier 21.5x8-13 slicks for $99 with free shipping. Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William T newman Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 8:43 AM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire tires I have had success with Sumitomo HTR 200 in Size 215/50 R1 as a great street tire or racing rain. It appears that Tire Rack no longer carries them, but it would be worth looking around to see if someone else has them. Bill Newman ----- Original Message ----- It appears that sticky sport radial road tires in 13" sizes suitable for use on Spitfires are getting rare these days. Does anyone have any suggestions of which tires are still available? Thanks, Joe Curry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mnewman at embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Jul 20 11:22:20 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:22:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... In-Reply-To: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> References: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> Message-ID: <038c01cd669c$38a6a8b0$a9f3fa10$@rr.com> > Anyone else > hear that...or do that? I run "upper cylinder lubricant" in my street TR3. Based on several more recent stories (including a local club member who had new rings "go away" in under 10k miles in his street TR4), I add 4 ounces of "TC-W3" 2-cycle oil to each tank of fuel, along with one ounce of Red Line lead substitute (added after I started noticing valve seat recession). Can't prove that it helps, but the engine did start idling faster during the first tank (which might have been something else, not sure), and my fuel mileage seems to be creeping up. For the moment anyway, seems like cheap insurance. FWIW the lead substitute also stopped the valve recession. 6 months after starting to add it in each tank, the exhaust valves were still right on the money. BTW, Triumph also suggested using upper cylinder lube in the TR2-3 owner's manual. -- Randall From tjwakeman at gmail.com Fri Jul 20 11:48:12 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:48:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... In-Reply-To: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> References: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> Message-ID: <500999DC.3000605@gmail.com> On 7/20/12 8:06 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Revisiting this thread about modern engine oil and its lack of zinc, makes > me think of rumors I've heard down through the years about adding a 'bit' of > oil to the gasoline in our old sports cars. . I tend to use Marvel Mystery oil in the fuel tank when I head out on long trips. Maybe I should just use it all the time in the hopes it reduces wear on those short trips where the engine may not completely heat up and burn away contaminates. TeriAnn From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Jul 20 11:52:10 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:52:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire tires In-Reply-To: <001301cd6698$84bb4520$8e31cf60$@aero> References: <784005494.143995.1342791777759.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> <001301cd6698$84bb4520$8e31cf60$@aero> Message-ID: <039101cd66a0$6347e8f0$29d7bad0$@rr.com> > The best choice I can find is 175/70-13s with a choice of either > Michelin or > General. Looks like they still have a few Bridgestone Potenzas available in 165/65-13. If you order quick, you might be able to get a set. http://goo.gl/1eh2s -- Randall From stutzmans at comcast.net Fri Jul 20 19:38:25 2012 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:38:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... In-Reply-To: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> References: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> Message-ID: <7AA35E976FF54D7CBD2DB60D2A1263CA@ComputerPC> Some of us are adding a bit of engine oil to the petrol thru the rings and/or valve guides. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 11:06 AM Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... > Amici... > > Revisiting this thread about modern engine oil and its lack of zinc, makes > me think of rumors I've heard down through the years about adding a 'bit' > of > oil to the gasoline in our old sports cars. The way I've heard it is that > back in the day, particularly the Brits (back in the old country) would > add > a 'bit' of engine oil to their petrol for lubricating purposes. Anyone > else > hear that...or do that? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From robertten1 at aol.com Fri Jul 20 19:46:17 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Tires Message-ID: <8CF34F9C103E9DE-11EC-FCDA@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> The Toyo R888's 185/60x13 are available from TIRE RACK . Good price too Just to update, Bob T From vangoughv at hotmail.com Fri Jul 20 20:08:14 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 22:08:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Tires In-Reply-To: <8CF34F9C103E9DE-11EC-FCDA@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF34F9C103E9DE-11EC-FCDA@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: If you guys were closer I might consider parting with a set of sumo 205/60-13s. I bought 3 sets last year as they were phasing them out. Good for my race GT6 but a bit wide on my street GT6. I see NEXEN has 185/60-13s Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-20, at 9:51 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > The Toyo R888's 185/60x13 are available from TIRE RACK . Good price too > > > Just to update, > Bob T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 21 06:40:59 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 07:40:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFDF16@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> <002101cd64f8$afd8a410$0f89ec30$@rogers.com> <1342800947.43568.YahooMailRC@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFDF16@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <5A38A18A-F657-4F84-815C-5FFDF9926214@sbcglobal.net> A M I C I No bids yet. I am ending the auction. Thanks for all of your comments. Dennis From jkhagen at charter.net Sat Jul 21 09:10:50 2012 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction Message-ID: <2ea34f41.17e8dd.138aa174ee6.Webtop.45@charter.net> AMICI/Dennis, I have had my TR-4 up for sale at Atlanta and RA--very few responses. $17,500 John Hagen TR-4 /TVR On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Dennis Delap wrote: > A M I C I > No bids yet. > I am ending the auction. > Thanks for all of your comments. > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Jul 21 09:50:46 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:50:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <1341888803.14091.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1341888803.14091.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <500ACFD6.5000503@pobox.com> :Low pressure gauges are available at http://www.gaugestore.com/. Look at the Wika low pressure gauges. A 0 - 5 psi gauges should work nicely. On 7/9/2012 9:53 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Has anyone been able to find a gauge that reads 0-5 psi? I have > looked all over, including aircraft supply places, with no luck. > > -Ed- From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jul 21 10:00:27 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction In-Reply-To: <2ea34f41.17e8dd.138aa174ee6.Webtop.45@charter.net> References: <2ea34f41.17e8dd.138aa174ee6.Webtop.45@charter.net> Message-ID: <8CF357113F79E10-638-13492@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> as someone said, without provenance..... however, in the last 20 years the image of the TRIUMPH has come up and brought the value with it. i'd like to think that the FOT has been a large part of that. i am likely a bit too sensitive, but recent column on the MITTY didnt seem to present the TRIUMPH in it's best light. anyone else notice it? if not, then it is a non-issue. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: jkhagen To: Dennis Delap Cc: FOT Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:11 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction AMICI/Dennis, I have had my TR-4 up for sale at Atlanta and RA--very few responses. $17,500 John Hagen TR-4 /TVR On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Dennis Delap wrote: > A M I C I > No bids yet. > I am ending the auction. > Thanks for all of your comments. > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sat Jul 21 10:18:51 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 09:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <500ACFD6.5000503@pobox.com> Message-ID: <1342887531.44363.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Larry: Thanks Buddy, they really fill the bill. I guess I gave up too early figuring everyone wants 0-15 psi. There will be one on the BMW and the Champ car. -Ed- --- On Sat, 7/21/12, Larry Young wrote: From: Larry Young Subject: Re: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, July 21, 2012, 10:50 AM :Low pressure gauges are available at http://www.gaugestore.com/. Look at the Wika low pressure gauges. A 0 - 5 psi gauges should work nicely. On 7/9/2012 9:53 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Has anyone been able to find a gauge that reads 0-5 psi? I have > looked all over, including aircraft supply places, with no luck. > -Ed- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jul 21 11:04:02 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 13:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] From Wheels to Wings AIRVENTURE @ OSHKOSH GLACIER GIRL Message-ID: <8CF3579F5F0CA43-638-14DCB@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> FOT Richard Taylor #196 TR4 will be at OSHKOSH to discuss his expeditions to repatriate a P-38 Lightning. He will be on the WARBIRDS flightline at 1:00PM on Monday afternoon for Q & A. He will be in a pavillion at 10:00AM on Tuesday morning giving a presentation. The P-38 Lightning, AKA "Glacier Girl" will be on display all week. Tim Murphy and I will be there.....anyone else? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Jul 21 12:12:25 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 13:12:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: References: , <1342473156.34607.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <500AF109.1000600@pobox.com> In the 1990's a previous owner of my TR3 had a disc wheel fail. It turned into a roll bar test. On 7/16/2012 4:36 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Yes, I ran the wires as they were that 1/2" wider than the steel wheels. they > were a LOT heavier what with wire wheel adapter and knock-off hub. I would > probably have been faster with the discs but the wires looked very cool and > when you are in your 20's, cool is it!. Actually with the way I was always > pitching the car I doubt the steel disc would have lasted very long and the > spokes would break and give you a change to recover, but when disc breaks, you > are gone. > > Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:12:36 -0700 > From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > To: tarch at bellsouth.net; tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net; > kaskas at cox.net > > Kas: Am I coorrect in assuming that you used the wire wheels because they were > 1/2" wider than the stock steel wheels? Surely they must weigh the same, if > not a bit more tham steel wheels. > -Ed- > > --- On Mon, 7/16/12, Kas Kastner wrote: > > > From: Kas Kastner > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > To: "Richard Taylor" , tony at tonydrews.com, "fot" > > Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 12:13 PM > > > When I was racing my TR-3 it was always with the 48 spoke wheels the others > were not allowed. I'd break two or three ever race and every prictice. Got > pretty good at replacing them quickly without dismounting the tires. It is > just not a big deal. Steet driving on 48 spokers? they'll probably last > another fifty years. It wasn't until I started using sticky recaps that I > had > the spoke problem. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> From: tarch at bellsouth.net >> To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:23:51 -0400 >> > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires >> Back in the mid 80's I vintage raced an Austin Healy 100-4 with Michelin X >> tires and 48 spoke wheels. The drifting was exciting but we lost a lot of >> time in the turns. When I switched to wider, stickier tires, the outside >> wheels quickly became 18 spoke wheels. >> >> My observation: better tires require more spokes. I couldn't resist the >> temptation so I switched to 72 spokes which performed flawlessly. >> >> And, of course, I drove the car to and from the track. >> >> Richard Taylor >> TR-4 #196 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team..net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Tony Drews >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:30 AM >> To: fot at autox.team..net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires >> >> If we're looking at 5.5" wide wheels, I doubt we're talking stock rims. >> >> Tony >> >> At 08:05 PM 7/15/2012, Terry Stetler wrote: >>> Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? >> Hence >>> it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels >>> of a stock TR-2. >>> >>> We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? >>> >>> Terry Stetler. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sat Jul 21 12:41:14 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:41:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <500ACFD6.5000503@pobox.com> References: <1341888803.14091.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <500ACFD6.5000503@pobox.com> Message-ID: <500AF7CA.3090405@gmail.com> On 7/21/12 8:50 AM, Larry Young wrote: > :Low pressure gauges are available at http://www.gaugestore.com/. Look > at the Wika low pressure gauges. A 0 - 5 psi gauges should work nicely. Ummm these are for gas pressure. Have you verified that they are suited for automotive fuel? Just wondering as the lowest fuel pressure gauge I have found so far is 0-15 lb. TeriAnn > > > On 7/9/2012 9:53 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: >> Has anyone been able to find a gauge that reads 0-5 psi? I have >> looked all over, including aircraft supply places, with no luck. >> -Ed- From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Jul 21 13:17:22 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:17:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] From Wheels to Wings AIRVENTURE @ OSHKOSH GLACIER GIRL In-Reply-To: <8CF3579F5F0CA43-638-14DCB@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3579F5F0CA43-638-14DCB@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I wish I was going. Vintage aviation is a genuine passion of mine. I'll be at Thunder Over Michigan first weekend in August though... Terry Stetler From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 21 15:26:38 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:26:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction Message-ID: <66q4ay6pcfbduwnb9kt9l1sm.1342904586792@email.android.com> Provanance! Eye of the beholder and Labors of love I've sold two TR race cars, both for my " cost ", which is defined as what I paid for the car plus the parts costs of the bonafide improvements. The first was the yellow TR3 now raced by B John Hasty. I paid $5500 for it and mostly kept it up while I raced, fixing some floor problems and rebuilding suspension. I sold it for $6000 after three years, to the guy who sold it to Larry Young two years later. Larry upgraded the car and increased its value, probably by the cost of the overdrive, the better suspension and the Southwick conversion. I bought a 5 grand TR4 and put in a Southwick, a new roll bar, alloy hubs, close ratio, etc and sold it for 12 large, which was my cost less labor with all that I had done.B I replaced that car with a car with real history, '67/68 Runoff's. I hope it is worth $25000, the some of its parts, but in todays market, with all the excess supply I'd doubt I could get it, but B I wouldnt sell it for less. If it didn't have the race history I probably would not have spent as much on paint or some of the parts. I think you can still build a servicable race car under ten grand, and although we all have our preferences, newbies are wanting B the lowest cost of entry. I think the higher priced cars, without provanance, are stuck in a tough spot. I wonder how Wayne Carini is doing with the $50000 Group 44 copy TR4? Way overpriced by my formulas. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab$Joe Alexander wrote:as someone said, without provenance..... however, in the last 20 years the image of the TRIUMPH has come up and brought the value with it. i'd like to think that the FOT has been a large part of that. i am likely a bit too sensitive, but recent column on the MITTY didnt seem to present the TRIUMPH in it's best light. anyone else notice it?B B if not, then it is a non-issue. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711B (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: jkhagen To: Dennis Delap Cc: FOT Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:11 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction AMICI/Dennis,B I have had my TR-4 up for sale at Atlanta and RA--very few responses.B $17,500B B John Hagen TR-4 /TVR On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Dennis Delap wrote: > A M I C I > No bids yet. > I am ending the auction. > Thanks for all of your comments. > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Jul 21 15:16:06 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction Message-ID: <1ea21.166eceb7.3d3c7616@aol.com> In a message dated 07/21/2012 3:28:01 PM Central Daylight Time, rkramer3 at austin.rr.com writes: > I wonder how Wayne Carini is doing with the $50000 Group 44 copy TR4? Way > overpriced by my formulas. > Not too well I suspect, although that race car is (and always was) a gorgeous car. I can't think of his name right now, but he was a Doctor from Mystic, Connecticut who owned it, had it built and vintage raced it some 20-25 years ago. Then in quick order, he had it For Sale for $40,000 +/- when he was going through a divorce. At the time, most TRIUMPH folks I knew felt, that while price may have represented his investment, more likely it was established because he really didn't want to sell it. I always felt (and have advised) those looking for a race car should seek the best car they can, and then negotiate a fair price and buy it. Especially those who are unable to do top shelf mechanical work themselves will never buy and clunker and then pay to have it converted into a competitive race car for what they can buy and race a ready race car. Bill Dentinger From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 21 15:18:33 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:18:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] From Wheels to Wings AIRVENTURE @ OSHKOSH GLACIER GIRL Message-ID: I just saw an ad for Thunder over Michigan last night. I'll be at Mid-Ohio for the ALMS race. Unfortunately, I have to stay for the Indycar race as well. Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad Terry Stetler wrote: >I wish I was going. Vintage aviation is a genuine passion of mine. > >I'll be at Thunder Over Michigan first weekend in August though... > >Terry Stetler >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sat Jul 21 15:43:26 2012 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:43:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] From Wheels to Wings AIRVENTURE @ OSHKOSH GLACIER GIRL In-Reply-To: References: <8CF3579F5F0CA43-638-14DCB@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <91C44732-1108-4E73-9D2E-8885063E6AA9@aol.com> I saw glacier girl in Reno a few years back and pictures and video of the heritage flight. Truly an awesome experience. Chris On Jul 21, 2012, at 3:17 PM, "Terry Stetler" wrote: > I wish I was going. Vintage aviation is a genuine passion of mine. > > I'll be at Thunder Over Michigan first weekend in August though... > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 21 15:49:45 2012 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:49:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spit Tires Message-ID: Until very recently Tire Rack did not offer the R888 at all. They're still high. "Tiresdirect.net" is the place to go for R-compound 185/60/13 @ a buck thirty! They shave and heat cycle. Bill Collins yellow #8(1) at the Mitty. Texas From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Sat Jul 21 17:04:13 2012 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:04:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction Message-ID: <13557197.1342911853741.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Dr. Bill Colom (sp?) was the original owner of the G44 copy. Lent us a front hub once. Came fully set with greased bearings and wrapped in clear plastic wrap. A very nice guy. Mike -----Original Message----- >From: BillDentin at aol.com >Sent: Jul 21, 2012 5:16 PM >To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com, n197tr4 at cs.com, jkhagen at charter.net, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction > >In a message dated 07/21/2012 3:28:01 PM Central Daylight Time, >rkramer3 at austin.rr.com writes: > > >> I wonder how Wayne Carini is doing with the $50000 Group 44 copy TR4? Way >> overpriced by my formulas. >> > >Not too well I suspect, although that race car is (and always was) a >gorgeous car. I can't think of his name right now, but he was a Doctor from >Mystic, Connecticut who owned it, had it built and vintage raced it some 20-25 >years ago. Then in quick order, he had it For Sale for $40,000 +/- when he >was going through a divorce. At the time, most TRIUMPH folks I knew felt, >that while price may have represented his investment, more likely it was >established because he really didn't want to sell it. > >I always felt (and have advised) those looking for a race car should seek >the best car they can, and then negotiate a fair price and buy it. >Especially those who are unable to do top shelf mechanical work themselves will never >buy and clunker and then pay to have it converted into a competitive race >car for what they can buy and race a ready race car. > >Bill Dentinger >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Jul 21 17:33:44 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Missfire In-Reply-To: <8CF35A444269BF9-1BE8-17BE8@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF35A444269BF9-1BE8-17BE8@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF35B06735E839-E44-1B831@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: robertten1 To: blang ; lang Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:06 pm Subject: Missfire Bob, Hope all is well. Have a problem with the race Spit - Only running on 2 cylinders # 2 & 3 ?? Tried switching the plug wires around and the firing order with no success. Tried swapping out the Pertronics system with the Mallory Set Up with no difference. Even swapped the plugs around with no difference. Any idea where to look next ? I plan to do compression and leak down tests next. Fresh rebuild, Bob T From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jul 21 17:37:44 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:37:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Missfire References: <8CF35A444269BF9-1BE8-17BE8@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> <8CF35B06735E839-E44-1B831@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8C594310DA0840A78937EEA449C787AF@Bud> sounds like head gasket RB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 4:33 PM Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Missfire > -----Original Message----- > From: robertten1 > To: blang ; lang > Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:06 pm > Subject: Missfire > > > Bob, > > Hope all is well. Have a problem with the race Spit - Only running on 2 > cylinders # 2 & 3 ?? Tried switching the plug wires around and the firing > order with no success. Tried swapping out the Pertronics system with the > Mallory Set Up with no difference. Even swapped the plugs around with no > difference. > > Any idea where to look next ? I plan to do compression and leak down > tests > next. > > > Fresh rebuild, > Bob T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Jul 21 18:00:20 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:00:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] From Wheels to Wings AIRVENTURE @ OSHKOSH GLACIER GIRL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's really hard to not go to the ALMS race, as IMHO, they are the BEST road racing cars we can see in the US. But the chance to see a B 29 in flight outweighs seeing any earth bound vehicle I can think of. Terry Stetler From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Jul 21 22:15:12 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 00:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Misfire Message-ID: <8CF35D7B92FF3BF-1C60-19635@webmail-d096.sysops.aol.com> Well I have completed the tests and found the following : Leak Down - #1 -5%: #2 -10%: #3 -10% #4 -12% Compression - 180 / 180 / 180 / 168 I thinking of checking the valve clearances again especially for #4. Any further thoughts, Bob T From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 22 05:59:17 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 07:59:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Misfire Message-ID: Bob, Checking valves is a good idea. Is the distributor cap new? I'd check it out with another one. I had a bad one out of the box a couple of years ago. Swapped the old one back in and cleared up the problem. The quality on some stink. Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad robertten1 at aol.com wrote: >Well I have completed the tests and found the following : > >Leak Down - #1 -5%: #2 -10%: #3 -10% #4 -12% > >Compression - 180 / 180 / 180 / 168 > > >I thinking of checking the valve clearances again especially for #4. > > >Any further thoughts, >Bob T >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From robertten1 at aol.com Sun Jul 22 13:26:13 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Misfire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF3656FDC1C407-A90-24513@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com> Hi Doug, With 2 complete different ignition systems swapped in and out with the same exact results ?? Thats distributors, wires and coils. Caps and rotors do check out ok. I'm also going to try different plugs though I did swap the current plugs around with no difference. The puzzle continues, Bob T -----Original Message----- From: Doug Mitchell To: robertten1 Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 7:59 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Misfire Bob, Checking valves is a good idea. Is the distributor cap new? I'd check it out with another one. I had a bad one out of the box a couple of years ago. Swapped the old one back in and cleared up the problem. The quality on some stink. Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad robertten1 at aol.com wrote: >Well I have completed the tests and found the following : > >Leak Down - #1 -5%: #2 -10%: #3 -10% #4 -12% > >Compression - 180 / 180 / 180 / 168 > > >I thinking of checking the valve clearances again especially for #4. > > >Any further thoughts, >Bob T >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 22 13:38:59 2012 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 14:38:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire Message-ID: <9C316C900E4A4E6ABBD696BA1D768D98@bkolnzPC> Joe Hovey, with me helping, rebuilt the engine on the #8 before the Mitty. When we fired it up for the first time, it had the same misfire you describe. We went through all the steps you have, and when nothing worked, Joe popped off the Pertronix cap and put a new blue rotor in. It fired right up and ran on all four like a dream. Old rotor looked fine... ? Blue spare is in the track box and got one for the Dr. Bill Collins '72 (1300) spit racer DFW, TX. From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sun Jul 22 15:09:54 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:09:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Misfire In-Reply-To: <8CF3656FDC1C407-A90-24513@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3656FDC1C407-A90-24513@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Have you checked the connectors and wiring to the coil / POS & Ground leads a loose spade/poor crimp/fractured wire .... Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-22, at 3:26 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Doug, > > With 2 complete different ignition systems swapped in and out with the same > exact results ?? Thats distributors, wires and coils. Caps and rotors do > check out ok. I'm also going to try different plugs though I did swap the > current plugs around with no difference. > > The puzzle continues, > Bob T > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Mitchell > To: robertten1 > Cc: fot > Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 7:59 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Misfire > > > Bob, > > Checking valves is a good idea. Is the distributor cap new? I'd check it out > with another one. I had a bad one out of the box a couple of years ago. > Swapped > the old one back in and cleared up the problem. The quality on some stink. > > Cheers, > > Doug Mitchell > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > > Sent from my ASUS Pad > > robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > >> Well I have completed the tests and found the following : >> >> Leak Down - #1 -5%: #2 -10%: #3 -10% #4 -12% >> >> Compression - 180 / 180 / 180 / 168 >> >> >> I thinking of checking the valve clearances again especially for #4. >> >> >> Any further thoughts, >> Bob T >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sun Jul 22 18:41:24 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:41:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Missfire In-Reply-To: <8CF35B06735E839-E44-1B831@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF35A444269BF9-1BE8-17BE8@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> <8CF35B06735E839-E44-1B831@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4480D730-D853-4F36-B39C-58984D474133@gmail.com> Have you confirmed that the plugs aren't firing? If not, remove them, clip on the plug wires, and lay them on the engine so they'll be grounded and then watch for sparks jumping the gaps on all four while the engine is cranked over. Duncan 1952 Morgan #6 Red CVAR On Jul 21, 2012, at 6:33 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: robertten1 > To: blang ; lang > Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:06 pm > Subject: Missfire > > > Bob, > > Hope all is well. Have a problem with the race Spit - Only running on 2 > cylinders # 2 & 3 ?? Tried switching the plug wires around and the firing > order with no success. Tried swapping out the Pertronics system with the > Mallory Set Up with no difference. Even swapped the plugs around with no > difference. > > Any idea where to look next ? I plan to do compression and leak down tests > next. > > > Fresh rebuild, > Bob T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jul 22 19:09:20 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:09:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Missfire References: <8CF35A444269BF9-1BE8-17BE8@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com><8CF35B06735E839-E44-1B831@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> <4480D730-D853-4F36-B39C-58984D474133@gmail.com> Message-ID: <346ACAC8186549E3B8BE97865CA22FE8@Bud> How about the engine flooding/starving because of the timing being off?...Try rotating the distributor a bit while the engine is running to see if it smooths out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Charlton" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Missfire > Have you confirmed that the plugs aren't firing? If not, remove them, > clip on > the plug wires, and lay them on the engine so they'll be grounded and then > watch for sparks jumping the gaps on all four while the engine is cranked > over. > > Duncan > 1952 Morgan #6 Red > CVAR > > On Jul 21, 2012, at 6:33 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: robertten1 >> To: blang ; lang >> Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:06 pm >> Subject: Missfire >> >> >> Bob, >> >> Hope all is well. Have a problem with the race Spit - Only running on 2 >> cylinders # 2 & 3 ?? Tried switching the plug wires around and the >> firing >> order with no success. Tried swapping out the Pertronics system with the >> Mallory Set Up with no difference. Even swapped the plugs around with no >> difference. >> >> Any idea where to look next ? I plan to do compression and leak down > tests >> next. >> >> >> Fresh rebuild, >> Bob T >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From robertten1 at aol.com Sun Jul 22 20:38:10 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 22:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire In-Reply-To: <9C316C900E4A4E6ABBD696BA1D768D98@bkolnzPC> References: <9C316C900E4A4E6ABBD696BA1D768D98@bkolnzPC> Message-ID: <8CF369355138893-1FD4-26E04@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> Hi Bill, Unfortunately I fried the Pretronix in the Delco distributor so I can't try anything with that set-up Though it did have a new good rotor in it along with a new cap with brass contacts. Right now I have the Mallory Points Unit and set-up in And this did work fine before the rebuild. I will try your suggestion a replace the rotor and see if I have any luck. Thanks, Bob T -----Original Message----- From: William Collins To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 3:42 pm Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire Joe Hovey, with me helping, rebuilt the engine on the #8 before the Mitty. When we fired it up for the first time, it had the same misfire you describe. We went through all the steps you have, and when nothing worked, Joe popped off the Pertronix cap and put a new blue rotor in. It fired right up and ran on all four like a dream. Old rotor looked fine... ? Blue spare is in the track box and got one for the Dr. Bill Collins '72 (1300) spit racer DFW, TX. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From mrcpt1fc at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 22 21:13:46 2012 From: mrcpt1fc at sbcglobal.net (mrcpt1@sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 20:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR2 Exhaust Message-ID: <1343013226.51586.YahooMailRC@web181006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hello, I am in need of a complete exhaust system for my TR2. I was hoping to find a good QH or Harmo brand set up. Does anyone have or know where I can get the correct head pipe, 18' muffler, and long separate tail pipe section ? Thanks, Mike . P.S. any TR2 racers have the old stuff out in the barn ? From stutzmans at comcast.net Mon Jul 23 08:24:34 2012 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 10:24:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire In-Reply-To: <8CF369355138893-1FD4-26E04@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> References: <9C316C900E4A4E6ABBD696BA1D768D98@bkolnzPC> <8CF369355138893-1FD4-26E04@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4F34FEC8AAAD4F519C29DD0AE1C8E244@ComputerPC> The bad rotor issue is just with Lucas 25D and 22D dizzys. If your rotor has a rivot throw it away. And get a new red rotor or an old one before rivots. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire misfire > Hi Bill, > > Unfortunately I fried the Pretronix in the Delco distributor so I can't > try > anything with that set-up Though it did have a new good rotor in it along > with > a new cap with brass contacts. Right now I have the Mallory Points Unit > and > set-up in And this did work fine before the rebuild. I will try your > suggestion a replace the rotor and see if I have any luck. > > Thanks, > Bob T > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Collins > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 3:42 pm > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire > > > Joe Hovey, with me helping, rebuilt the engine on the #8 before the Mitty. > When we fired it up for the first time, it had the same misfire you > describe. > We went through all the steps you have, and when nothing worked, Joe > popped > off the Pertronix cap and put a new blue rotor in. It fired right up > and > ran on all four like a dream. Old rotor looked fine... ? > > Blue spare is in the track box and got one for the Dr. > > Bill Collins > '72 (1300) spit racer > DFW, TX. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jul 23 08:48:48 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:48:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale References: <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> Message-ID: <65FD552CB1A0435C83C1D43591299A74@Charly> FoT' rs, I now have a 64 TR4 for sale. This car was bought by one of my employees from another FOT'r and he had hoped to race it. I think he became overwhelmed by it and has done nothing with it for 2 years. The car is complete, but is not race ready, and could be easily returned to a street car if desired. The car has a fuel cell and a full cage with other race modifications. The asking price for it is $4900.00. I'll be getting some pictures latter this week. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "Dennis DeLap" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > You might try Bring-a-Trailer or figuring out how to list it for European > sale. Always seems to me that pricing is higher in the UK, though perhaps > not for a LHD car. > > On Jul 18, 2012, at 10:50 AM, rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com wrote: > > The other two TR4's listed along with yours have been on for a long time > as well and they are only slighly cheaper. I listed a Datsun 2000 for 24K > a few years back and had thousands of views with only a couple of lame > inquiries. I ended up selling at 16K and it was in beautiful and race > ready condition. You can continue to wait it out or drop the price until > the calls start to come in. > > Bob From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jul 23 10:08:15 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:08:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire In-Reply-To: <4F34FEC8AAAD4F519C29DD0AE1C8E244@ComputerPC> References: <9C316C900E4A4E6ABBD696BA1D768D98@bkolnzPC> <8CF369355138893-1FD4-26E04@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> <4F34FEC8AAAD4F519C29DD0AE1C8E244@ComputerPC> Message-ID: Jack had a rotor fail in a Mallory dual point - cost him a race win (I won instead... :) ). Rotor looked perfect, but replacing allowed the car to run again. Tony At 09:24 AM 7/23/2012, Stutzmans wrote: >The bad rotor issue is just with Lucas 25D and 22D dizzys. If your >rotor has a rivot throw it away. And get a new red rotor or an old >one before rivots. >Bruce >----- Original Message ----- From: >To: >Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:38 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire misfire > > >>Hi Bill, >> >>Unfortunately I fried the Pretronix in the Delco distributor so I can't try >>anything with that set-up Though it did have a new good rotor in it >>along with >>a new cap with brass contacts. Right now I have the Mallory Points Unit and >>set-up in And this did work fine before the rebuild. I will try your >>suggestion a replace the rotor and see if I have any luck. >> >>Thanks, >>Bob T >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: William Collins >>To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >>Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 3:42 pm >>Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire >> >> >>Joe Hovey, with me helping, rebuilt the engine on the #8 before the Mitty. >>When we fired it up for the first time, it had the same misfire you describe. >>We went through all the steps you have, and when nothing worked, Joe popped >>off the Pertronix cap and put a new blue rotor in. It fired right up and >>ran on all four like a dream. Old rotor looked fine... ? >> >>Blue spare is in the track box and got one for the Dr. >> >>Bill Collins >>'72 (1300) spit racer >>DFW, TX. >>_______________________________________________ >>fot at autox.team.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com >>_______________________________________________ >>fot at autox.team.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jul 23 10:19:57 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:19:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale References: <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> <65FD552CB1A0435C83C1D43591299A74@Charly> Message-ID: <8C1F72BE075E4AF5982B2A01715C1983@Charly> Sorry, I forgot to say the car is in Tacoma WA. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "Scott Janzen" ; "Dennis DeLap" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 7:48 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > FoT' rs, > I now have a 64 TR4 for sale. This car was bought by one of my employees > from another FOT'r and he had hoped to race it. I think he became > overwhelmed by it and has done nothing with it for 2 years. > The car is complete, but is not race ready, and could be easily returned > to a street car if desired. The car has a fuel cell and a full cage with > other race modifications. > The asking price for it is $4900.00. > I'll be getting some pictures latter this week. > Charly Mitchel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Janzen" > To: "Dennis DeLap" > Cc: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 8:02 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > > >> You might try Bring-a-Trailer or figuring out how to list it for European >> sale. Always seems to me that pricing is higher in the UK, though >> perhaps not for a LHD car. >> >> On Jul 18, 2012, at 10:50 AM, rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com wrote: >> >> The other two TR4's listed along with yours have been on for a long time >> as well and they are only slighly cheaper. I listed a Datsun 2000 for 24K >> a few years back and had thousands of views with only a couple of lame >> inquiries. I ended up selling at 16K and it was in beautiful and race >> ready condition. You can continue to wait it out or drop the price until >> the calls start to come in. >> >> Bob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jul 23 10:26:39 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:26:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale References: <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> <65FD552CB1A0435C83C1D43591299A74@Charly> Message-ID: <1700526CAFFA41B4A7ACA7C63C58039F@Charly> One more note about this car, I guess it was owned by Elmer Peters and raced SCCA out of Ohio, not sure of the years. Again, it's located in Tacoma WA. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "Scott Janzen" ; "Dennis DeLap" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 7:48 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > FoT' rs, > I now have a 64 TR4 for sale. This car was bought by one of my employees > from another FOT'r and he had hoped to race it. I think he became > overwhelmed by it and has done nothing with it for 2 years. > The car is complete, but is not race ready, and could be easily returned > to a street car if desired. The car has a fuel cell and a full cage with > other race modifications. > The asking price for it is $4900.00. > I'll be getting some pictures latter this week. > Charly Mitchel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Janzen" > To: "Dennis DeLap" > Cc: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 8:02 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > > >> You might try Bring-a-Trailer or figuring out how to list it for European >> sale. Always seems to me that pricing is higher in the UK, though >> perhaps not for a LHD car. >> >> On Jul 18, 2012, at 10:50 AM, rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com wrote: >> >> The other two TR4's listed along with yours have been on for a long time >> as well and they are only slighly cheaper. I listed a Datsun 2000 for 24K >> a few years back and had thousands of views with only a couple of lame >> inquiries. I ended up selling at 16K and it was in beautiful and race >> ready condition. You can continue to wait it out or drop the price until >> the calls start to come in. >> >> Bob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From list at mackenzie.aero Mon Jul 23 11:21:46 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:21:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for SU HS2 manifold for 1296 Spit engine Message-ID: <000401cd68f7$a34e2230$e9ea6690$@aero> I am starting to build up a 1296 engine and need a manifold. Does anybody have a HS2 manifold for the spit 1296/1500 engine they can part with? Thanks Robert MacKenzie From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Jul 23 18:58:08 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire In-Reply-To: <4F34FEC8AAAD4F519C29DD0AE1C8E244@ComputerPC> References: <9C316C900E4A4E6ABBD696BA1D768D98@bkolnzPC> <8CF369355138893-1FD4-26E04@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> <4F34FEC8AAAD4F519C29DD0AE1C8E244@ComputerPC> Message-ID: <8CF374E86634F9F-AC4-33D7B@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com> Hmmm, I'll check for rivits in both the Delco and Mallory distributors. Thanks, Bob T -----Original Message----- From: Stutzmans To: fot ; robertten1 Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 10:24 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire misfire The bad rotor issue is just with Lucas 25D and 22D dizzys. If your rotor has a rivot throw it away. And get a new red rotor or an old one before rivots. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire misfire > Hi Bill, > > Unfortunately I fried the Pretronix in the Delco distributor so I can't > try > anything with that set-up Though it did have a new good rotor in it along > with > a new cap with brass contacts. Right now I have the Mallory Points Unit > and > set-up in And this did work fine before the rebuild. I will try your > suggestion a replace the rotor and see if I have any luck. > > Thanks, > Bob T > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Collins > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 3:42 pm > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire > > > Joe Hovey, with me helping, rebuilt the engine on the #8 before the Mitty. > When we fired it up for the first time, it had the same misfire you > describe. > We went through all the steps you have, and when nothing worked, Joe > popped > off the Pertronix cap and put a new blue rotor in. It fired right up > and > ran on all four like a dream. Old rotor looked fine... ? > > Blue spare is in the track box and got one for the Dr. > > Bill Collins > '72 (1300) spit racer > DFW, TX. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Jul 23 19:13:56 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Missfire In-Reply-To: <4480D730-D853-4F36-B39C-58984D474133@gmail.com> References: <8CF35A444269BF9-1BE8-17BE8@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> <8CF35B06735E839-E44-1B831@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> <4480D730-D853-4F36-B39C-58984D474133@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CF3750BAF5C1B1-AC4-34234@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com> I swapped the plugs around to the cylinders that fire and those that don't. The same two cylinders that fired fired and one and four nothing. Yes there is spark going to all the plugs, my getting a good jolt a couple times was also confirmation. I'm also looking into any vacuum leaks. Thanks for the tip, Bob T -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: robertten1 Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 8:41 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Missfire Have you confirmed that the plugs aren't firing? If not, remove them, clip on the plug wires, and lay them on the engine so they'll be grounded and then watch for sparks jumping the gaps on all four while the engine is cranked over. Duncan 1952 Morgan #6 Red CVAR On Jul 21, 2012, at 6:33 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: robertten1 > To: blang ; lang > Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:06 pm > Subject: Missfire > > > Bob, > > Hope all is well. Have a problem with the race Spit - Only running on 2 > cylinders # 2 & 3 ?? Tried switching the plug wires around and the firing > order with no success. Tried swapping out the Pertronics system with the > Mallory Set Up with no difference. Even swapped the plugs around with no > difference. > > Any idea where to look next ? I plan to do compression and leak down tests > next. > > > Fresh rebuild, > Bob T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From igofaster at att.net Tue Jul 24 09:49:40 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 08:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] California Air Message-ID: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> just got my DVD in of California Air... there's a real handsome guy at the beginning with a puke yellow GT-6+ that Kas is signing, also seen later on on the fence line crying at the start of the Kastner Kup..... priceless.... ---thank you Kas and Peggy for being so gracious.... Bobby Whitehead From igofaster at att.net Tue Jul 24 13:51:15 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 12:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] California Air In-Reply-To: References: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1343159475.8168.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> primrose, jasmine, puke....yellow.... one of my good friends that raced with CVAR passed away late last year.. Ron Shade, he ran in CP with a 911 Porsche.. as DP (my GT-6+) we ran in the same group 7 with CVAR... a 15 minute session I was usually pretty good, a 20 minute session and I would become a moving pylon for the 911's .... as Ron came around me one time at TWS I had to get a little squirrelly (sp) and get off road a bit to get out of the way.... later in protest (with a beer) I questioned the position I was in with Ron... quote " if you would keep that puke yellow Triumph out of my way.... " .... since then and in respect and memory, I have since always registered as "puke yellow" ... even for the Mitty in April... Bobby Whitehead #39 DP Triumph GT-6+ ________________________________ From: Charles WATSON To: Bobby Whitehead FoT Sent: Tue, July 24, 2012 10:52:22 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] California Air I guess one man's jasmine is another man's puke. Wait, that sounds wrong! Thanks, Chuck Watson Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 08:49:40 -0700 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] California Air > > just got my DVD in of California Air... there's a real handsome guy at the > beginning with a puke yellow GT-6+ that Kas is signing, also seen later on on > the fence line crying at the start of the Kastner Kup..... > priceless.... ---thank you Kas and Peggy for being so gracious.... > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From cwnfot at gmail.com Tue Jul 24 15:02:34 2012 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:02:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] California Air - DVD order...? In-Reply-To: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b401cd69df$a6bdea20$f439be60$@com> Hmmm... I think I ordered a copy of the DVD, did I miss the payment part or am I all set? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jul 24 15:06:27 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:06:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] California Air - DVD order...? In-Reply-To: <00b401cd69df$a6bdea20$f439be60$@com> References: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <00b401cd69df$a6bdea20$f439be60$@com> Message-ID: <64E7854B-0442-48D4-8DA3-1C177021C213@gdhs.com> Must not matter. I paid but don't have one either! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2012, at 5:02 PM, "Clark W. Nicholls" wrote: > Hmmm... > I think I ordered a copy of the DVD, did I miss the payment part or am I all > set? > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 24 18:39:10 2012 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:39:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] California Air In-Reply-To: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There's" NO CRYING" !!! in Vintage racing,,,, panty waste.. Goob. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 10:49 Subject: [Fot] California Air > just got my DVD in of California Air... there's a real handsome guy at > the > beginning with a puke yellow GT-6+ that Kas is signing, also seen later on > on > the fence line crying at the start of the Kastner Kup..... > priceless.... ---thank you Kas and Peggy for being so gracious.... > > Bobby Whitehead From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Jul 25 06:00:12 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:00:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] California Air - DVD order...? In-Reply-To: <64E7854B-0442-48D4-8DA3-1C177021C213@gdhs.com> References: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <00b401cd69df$a6bdea20$f439be60$@com> <64E7854B-0442-48D4-8DA3-1C177021C213@gdhs.com> Message-ID: As my mom used to say T,T,& T.......Things Take Time.....some thing are worth waiting on....we sure couldn't do the footage....as we were driving ! On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 5:06 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Must not matter. I paid but don't have one either! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 24, 2012, at 5:02 PM, "Clark W. Nicholls" wrote: > > > Hmmm... > > I think I ordered a copy of the DVD, did I miss the payment part or am I > all > > set? > > > > Clark > > Clark W. Nicholls > > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > > "Reality, it's not what you think." > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From mmoore at wave1.net Wed Jul 25 07:12:20 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:12:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rear brake adjustment on TR4 Message-ID: <000901cd6a67$1fc9b160$5f5d1420$@net> Just wondering how much you adjust the rear drum brakes. On my street TR4 I adjust them out so the I get one rotation. This is where I set them on the race car, but when tightening the lugs nuts ( wheel off ground and brake pedal pushed in) the wheel still turns. Should I adjust the shoes out more? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 25 07:30:13 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:30:13 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Rear brake adjustment on TR4 In-Reply-To: <000901cd6a67$1fc9b160$5f5d1420$@net> References: <000901cd6a67$1fc9b160$5f5d1420$@net> Message-ID: <003701cd6a69$a0812160$e1836420$@com> I set the adjuster to quite a lock, then one or two steps open. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mike Moore Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Juli 2012 15:12 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Rear brake adjustment on TR4 Just wondering how much you adjust the rear drum brakes. On my street TR4 I adjust them out so the I get one rotation. This is where I set them on the race car, but when tightening the lugs nuts ( wheel off ground and brake pedal pushed in) the wheel still turns. Should I adjust the shoes out more? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From mmoore at wave1.net Wed Jul 25 12:27:15 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:27:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake Pas Message-ID: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> Looking for extra set of racing front pads and rear shoes for my TR4, what do you guys recommend? Where is the best place to get them? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jul 25 12:34:41 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:34:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake Pas In-Reply-To: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> References: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> Message-ID: We use Carbotech front pads and rear shoes from Ted Shumacher John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Moore Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Brake Pas Looking for extra set of racing front pads and rear shoes for my TR4, what do you guys recommend? Where is the best place to get them? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jul 25 12:35:03 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:35:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake Pas In-Reply-To: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> References: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> Message-ID: I run Carbotech AX-6 front pads and am very happy with them. They are a bit pricey and don't last forever but are easy on the rotors, don't leave little bits of molten rotor in the wheel's paint, stop well, don't fade, and don't need a bunch of warming up before use. Jack ran rear shoes that Ted Shumaker (TSI) supplied. It's been a while, I don't remember the exact compound. He ran those with the Carbotech front pads. Tony At 01:27 PM 7/25/2012, Mike Moore wrote: >Looking for extra set of racing front pads and rear shoes for my TR4, what >do you guys recommend? Where is the best place to get them? > > > >Thanks > >Mike > > > >Michael T. Moore, CPA > >2007 West 32nd Street > >Erie, PA 16508 > > > >Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > >Fax: 814-864-7383 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jul 25 12:38:41 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:38:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake Pas In-Reply-To: <20120725183248.C431C2D02BD@autox.team.net> References: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> <20120725183248.C431C2D02BD@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Yep, CTGD500-AX6 is the Carbotech # they are in Charlotte, 704-481-8554 John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:35 PM To: Mike Moore; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake Pas I run Carbotech AX-6 front pads and am very happy with them. They are a bit pricey and don't last forever but are easy on the rotors, don't leave little bits of molten rotor in the wheel's paint, stop well, don't fade, and don't need a bunch of warming up before use. Jack ran rear shoes that Ted Shumaker (TSI) supplied. It's been a while, I don't remember the exact compound. He ran those with the Carbotech front pads. Tony At 01:27 PM 7/25/2012, Mike Moore wrote: >Looking for extra set of racing front pads and rear shoes for my TR4, >what do you guys recommend? Where is the best place to get them? > > > >Thanks > >Mike > > > >Michael T. Moore, CPA > >2007 West 32nd Street > >Erie, PA 16508 > > > >Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > >Fax: 814-864-7383 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 25 12:38:59 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:38:59 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brake Pas In-Reply-To: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> References: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> Message-ID: <005901cd6a94$c40be3b0$4c23ab10$@com> I like gentle braking pads at my car. I run EBC yellow stuff at front and anything stock like at rear. I tried Kendall at rear but they are too sticky when cold. When hot they are great but not better than a 25$ rear brake shoe. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mike Moore Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Juli 2012 20:27 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Brake Pas Looking for extra set of racing front pads and rear shoes for my TR4, what do you guys recommend? Where is the best place to get them? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 25 15:55:16 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] California Air - DVD order...? ORDER STATUS In-Reply-To: <00b401cd69df$a6bdea20$f439be60$@com> References: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <00b401cd69df$a6bdea20$f439be60$@com> Message-ID: <8CF38C74F6087B9-1E0C-F570@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com> Clark, John, and FOT at large, The first two lots of discs were shipped, per orders received, from the UK and received by us. The premium cases and the bubble envelopes were ordered and received by us. Immediately, Six Hours were spent assembling the artwork and discs to cases and putting in sealed plastic. Included in this was final packaging and labeling, then getting to the P.O. There was three generations of family involved in this and no time was wasted. They were shipped starting last Wednesday and Thursday and I know that they are starting to arrive..... I just received another lot of discs, MOMENTS AGO, to do order fulfillment on orders received later. I immediately started assembling disc packages for the P.O. tomorrow. Orders are still coming in and another order will be placed to U.K. Once again, if you plan to order, please do so. It helps me set the number to order in from the UK. If you are anxious to receive CALIFORNIA AIR, I can understand why. It is a brilliant DVD. A must for your archives. ROB DEANES, thanks for pointing out the obvious. NOTE: Our Post Office system is not what it used to be, and worse in some areas of the country. Please be patient and contact me directly. I will answer. Regards, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Clark W. Nicholls To: 'FoT Triumph' Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 4:03 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] California Air - DVD order...? Hmmm... I think I ordered a copy of the DVD, did I miss the payment part or am I all set? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jul 25 17:51:22 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:51:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] California Air - DVD order...? ORDER STATUS In-Reply-To: <8CF38C74F6087B9-1E0C-F570@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com> References: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <00b401cd69df$a6bdea20$f439be60$@com> <8CF38C74F6087B9-1E0C-F570@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3011A2DC-D2FB-490A-802F-37C04FAB7806@gdhs.com> No problem Joe. Got it today! Thanks for your many jobs in keeping FOT on top. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Clark, John, and FOT at large, > > The first two lots of discs were shipped, per orders received, from the UK and > received by us. > > The premium cases and the bubble envelopes were ordered and received by us. > > Immediately, Six Hours were spent assembling the artwork and discs to cases > and putting in sealed plastic. > > Included in this was final packaging and labeling, then getting to the P.O. > There was three generations of family involved in this and no time was wasted. > They were shipped starting last Wednesday and Thursday and I know that they > are starting to arrive..... > > I just received another lot of discs, MOMENTS AGO, to do order fulfillment on > orders received later. I immediately started assembling disc packages for the > P.O. tomorrow. > > Orders are still coming in and another order will be placed to U.K. Once > again, if you plan to order, please do so. It helps me set the number to order > in from the UK. > > If you are anxious to receive CALIFORNIA AIR, I can understand why. It is a > brilliant DVD. A must for your archives. > > ROB DEANES, thanks for pointing out the obvious. > > NOTE: Our Post Office system is not what it used to be, and worse in some > areas of the country. > > Please be patient and contact me directly. I will answer. > > Regards, > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clark W. Nicholls > To: 'FoT Triumph' > Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 4:03 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] California Air - DVD order...? > > > Hmmm... > I think I ordered a copy of the DVD, did I miss the payment part or am I all > set? > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Jul 25 18:15:10 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:15:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers Message-ID: <4EAFBF56-CB62-45B2-B8F1-9F766366E8BB@comcast.net> I'm thinking about buying a trailer and wondered what kinds of things I should be looking for when it comes to getting a lowered car (4.5 inches of clearance for my TR6) onto a trailer without dragging. Dovetailed trailer, length of ramps, tilt bed, height of trailer from ground? Looking for things to avoid and desirable features. How often is a winch needed? Is a sway bar control necessary? Should electric brake and light hookups be separate or one plug? Other than just trying it to see or using geometry is there an index or way to figure what the ramp length needs to be? Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 25 19:51:46 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] apologies to FOT and Clark. Message-ID: <8CF38E8597C7F51-1E0C-10BC6@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I havnt been 'playing well with others', lately. After reading an article on our Triumphs, I sent the scribe a few words of displeasure. I felt the column in question was a bit too negative. In retrospect, I should have left it alone. I still would have liked to have seen a different tone in his treatment of the Kastner Cup TRIUMPHs, but it's not my job to tell him how to write. Then I misunderstood the nature of Clark's inquiry and felt it necessary to explain in great detail how the shipments of CALIFORNIA AIR were prepared. I apologized to Clark. I am uncertain about doing the same with B.S. it was 104 degrees in our area today, but i am not using that as an excuse. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From triumphs at consolidated.net Wed Jul 25 20:24:56 2012 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:24:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] apologies to FOT and Clark. In-Reply-To: <8CF38E8597C7F51-1E0C-10BC6@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF38E8597C7F51-1E0C-10BC6@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3074A94F-9FFE-4169-B76C-EC0BEE2D42B1@consolidated.net> Joe: 100+ degrees is enough said. 104 here today and I don't think I heard a kind word all day. Everybody is justifiably cranky. Btw: I got my California Air last week. Watched it Sunday. I will leave the critical acclaim to others. I enjoyed it :-). Thanks Ken Gano Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2012, at 8:51 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT, > > I havnt been 'playing well with others', lately. > > After reading an article on our Triumphs, I sent the scribe a few words of > displeasure. I felt the column in question was a bit too negative. In > retrospect, I should have left it alone. I still would have liked to have seen > a different tone in his treatment of the Kastner Cup TRIUMPHs, but it's not my > job to tell him how to write. > > Then I misunderstood the nature of Clark's inquiry and felt it necessary to > explain in great detail how the shipments of CALIFORNIA AIR were prepared. > > I apologized to Clark. I am uncertain about doing the same with B.S. > > it was 104 degrees in our area today, but i am not using that as an excuse. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jul 26 08:39:53 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 07:39:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers References: <4EAFBF56-CB62-45B2-B8F1-9F766366E8BB@comcast.net> Message-ID: Bud, I haul a TR6 racecar on a flat trailer and my car has probably only 3 inches of ground clearance. I use 8 foot 2X12 wood planks to drive it up on. It is important how you have the truck and trailer situated and I always look to have the truck higher than the trailer, enabling a bit of tilt on the trailer. I have never scraped or come close to scraping. My trailer is a totally flat trailer and is very light weight. The trailer and car weigh less than 3000 lbs. I tow it with a LR3, and last trip of about 300 miles, I averaged 18mpg, compared to when I hauled a cargo trailer of the same weight and got 12 mpg. My trailer has 2 axels and tows very nicely, I have towed it at 80+ mph, but usually tow at around 70mph. I don't have a winch, hand or electric and usually drive the car on the trailer. I sometimes push it on the trailer, with some help of course. I prefer a single plug, it makes it easier. I've attached a picture from several years ago and this is not my current tow rig. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Rolofson" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:15 PM Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers > I'm thinking about buying a trailer and wondered what kinds of things I > should be looking for when it comes to getting a lowered car (4.5 inches > of clearance for my TR6) onto a trailer without dragging. Dovetailed > trailer, length of ramps, tilt bed, height of trailer from ground? > Looking for things to avoid and desirable features. How often is a winch > needed? Is a sway bar control necessary? Should electric brake and light > hookups be separate or one plug? Other than just trying it to see or > using geometry is there an index or way to figure what the ramp length > needs to be? > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 287.jpg] From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jul 26 08:54:35 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 07:54:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers References: <4EAFBF56-CB62-45B2-B8F1-9F766366E8BB@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2C92F5402E9345849F46E57B46D2F628@Charly> I believe my trailer is this one without the side rails. http://www.carsontrailer.com/subs/atv-trailers/atv-utility-trailer/utility-2-axles/utility-2-axles.html Charly Mitchel Mitchel Plumbing Co. 253-572-1150 charly at mitchelplumbing.com www.mitchelplumbing.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "Bud Rolofson" ; "FOT" Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Low cars and trailers > Bud, I haul a TR6 racecar on a flat trailer and my car has probably only 3 > inches of ground clearance. I use 8 foot 2X12 wood planks to drive it up > on. It is important how you have the truck and trailer situated and I > always look to have the truck higher than the trailer, enabling a bit of > tilt on the trailer. I have never scraped or come close to scraping. > My trailer is a totally flat trailer and is very light weight. The > trailer > and car weigh less than 3000 lbs. I tow it with a LR3, and last trip of > about 300 miles, I averaged 18mpg, compared to when I hauled a cargo > trailer > of the same weight and got 12 mpg. My trailer has 2 axels and tows very > nicely, I have towed it at 80+ mph, but usually tow at around 70mph. > I don't have a winch, hand or electric and usually drive the car on the > trailer. I sometimes push it on the trailer, with some help of course. I > prefer a single plug, it makes it easier. > I've attached a picture from several years ago and this is not my current > tow rig. > > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bud Rolofson" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:15 PM > Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers > > >> I'm thinking about buying a trailer and wondered what kinds of things I >> should be looking for when it comes to getting a lowered car (4.5 inches >> of clearance for my TR6) onto a trailer without dragging. Dovetailed >> trailer, length of ramps, tilt bed, height of trailer from ground? >> Looking for things to avoid and desirable features. How often is a winch >> needed? Is a sway bar control necessary? Should electric brake and light >> hookups be separate or one plug? Other than just trying it to see or >> using geometry is there an index or way to figure what the ramp length >> needs to be? >> >> Thanks >> Bud Rolofson >> >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> levilevi at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > 287.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jul 26 09:06:02 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:06:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers In-Reply-To: <2C92F5402E9345849F46E57B46D2F628@Charly> References: <4EAFBF56-CB62-45B2-B8F1-9F766366E8BB@comcast.net> <2C92F5402E9345849F46E57B46D2F628@Charly> Message-ID: <0E13C3BB-CD38-4CE9-B9E6-8685A21179ED@me.com> Bud, you haven't said whether you want an enclosed trailer or an open trailer - makes a difference on some of these questions. Basically, you want to buy something that is designed as a car trailer, so that it has the dovetail design to ease the entrance angle transition. Once you get that, there shouldn't be a clearance issue. People make it work with flat trailers but if you are buying one there's no point in compromising on this as there's usually not a cost difference. I think torsion bar/load leveling hitches are hugely beneficial with an enclosed trailer, having towed without one for years and now using one. Shouldn't be needed on a lightweight open trailer with most tow vehicles. I think you'll end up with a single electrical connection for brakes/lights. If you are not in a rush, go to the next local race event - SCCA or vintage - and walk the paddock to see what people are using. Shop around a lot as new trailer prices vary widely. I love my aluminum Worthington trailer, but a great basic trailer is Haulmark. Go for the best quality you can afford as you'll probably live with it for 20 years. On Jul 26, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: I believe my trailer is this one without the side rails. http://www.carsontrailer.com/subs/atv-trailers/atv-utility-trailer/utility-2-axles/utility-2-axles.html Charly Mitchel Mitchel Plumbing Co. 253-572-1150 charly at mitchelplumbing.com www.mitchelplumbing.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "Bud Rolofson" ; "FOT" Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Low cars and trailers > Bud, I haul a TR6 racecar on a flat trailer and my car has probably only 3 > inches of ground clearance. I use 8 foot 2X12 wood planks to drive it up > on. It is important how you have the truck and trailer situated and I > always look to have the truck higher than the trailer, enabling a bit of > tilt on the trailer. I have never scraped or come close to scraping. > My trailer is a totally flat trailer and is very light weight. The trailer > and car weigh less than 3000 lbs. I tow it with a LR3, and last trip of > about 300 miles, I averaged 18mpg, compared to when I hauled a cargo trailer > of the same weight and got 12 mpg. My trailer has 2 axels and tows very > nicely, I have towed it at 80+ mph, but usually tow at around 70mph. > I don't have a winch, hand or electric and usually drive the car on the > trailer. I sometimes push it on the trailer, with some help of course. I > prefer a single plug, it makes it easier. > I've attached a picture from several years ago and this is not my current > tow rig. > > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Rolofson" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:15 PM > Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers > > >> I'm thinking about buying a trailer and wondered what kinds of things I >> should be looking for when it comes to getting a lowered car (4.5 inches >> of clearance for my TR6) onto a trailer without dragging. Dovetailed >> trailer, length of ramps, tilt bed, height of trailer from ground? >> Looking for things to avoid and desirable features. How often is a winch >> needed? Is a sway bar control necessary? Should electric brake and light >> hookups be separate or one plug? Other than just trying it to see or >> using geometry is there an index or way to figure what the ramp length >> needs to be? >> >> Thanks >> Bud Rolofson >> >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> levilevi at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 287.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jul 26 09:13:08 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] apologies to FOT and Clark. Message-ID: <29f8e.6049e7e9.3d42b884@aol.com> In a message dated 07/25/2012 8:52:07 PM Central Daylight Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > I havnt been 'playing well with others', lately. > Joe... It's your unbridled passion for things TRIUMPH. That's a good thing from where we sit. Don't lose any sleep over it. Bill (Damdinger) From igofaster at att.net Thu Jul 26 18:37:30 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] racing, but not a Triumph Message-ID: <1343349450.73679.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> finally got a video of my Mustang on youtube... NOT TRIUMPH related but RACING... http://youtu.be/h0jCWHzuMqY Bobby Whitehead From clw2000 at msn.com Thu Jul 26 18:56:00 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 20:56:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] racing, but not a Triumph In-Reply-To: <1343349450.73679.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1343349450.73679.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bobby, the Amish (so I am told) allow their post teen male kids to experience a year of freedom to decide if they want to stay with the Amish or go into the rest of the world. It ususally consists of the kid living in a trailer behind the parents' house smoking pot for a year before coming back into the fold. Anyway, don't inhale. Disclaimer....Bobby got me into FOT, so all is in jest. Thanks, Chuck Watson Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:37:30 -0700 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] racing, but not a Triumph > > finally got a video of my Mustang on youtube... > NOT TRIUMPH related but RACING... > > http://youtu.be/h0jCWHzuMqY > > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From hakhutch at roadrunner.com Thu Jul 26 19:12:22 2012 From: hakhutch at roadrunner.com (Tim Hutchisen) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:12:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers References: <4EAFBF56-CB62-45B2-B8F1-9F766366E8BB@comcast.net> Message-ID: Bud, I purchased a heavy open landscape trailer a few years back. 5000GVW 16 footer. Trailer weighs 1700# and has 2 brake axles . The bed is flat and it works well for moving LBC's. It is similar to the one Charly Mitchell sent the link to you. The only issue is having to raise the tongue of the trailer to take some of the angle out from the ramp to the bed. I purchased a set of ramps with mine and carry some blocking in the truck to add under the ramps to decrease the angle if needed. I now have a winch as well, I found Superwinch's "winch-in-a-bag" on sale at the local big box parts retailer. 2000# winch, 12volt (powered with my portable battery pack). Works awesome. It is a portable winch that has no problem pulling a classic Saab 900 onto the trailer. It also winches in reverse to unload. I also use this winch pulling disabled cars into the shop. I have loaded and towed numerous LBC's with this set up and have yet to bottom out. Tim Hutchisen Norway, ME Penn Ridge Motors ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Rolofson" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:15 PM Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers > I'm thinking about buying a trailer and wondered what kinds of things I > should be looking for when it comes to getting a lowered car (4.5 inches > of clearance for my TR6) onto a trailer without dragging. Dovetailed > trailer, length of ramps, tilt bed, height of trailer from ground? > Looking for things to avoid and desirable features. How often is a winch > needed? Is a sway bar control necessary? Should electric brake and light > hookups be separate or one plug? Other than just trying it to see or > using geometry is there an index or way to figure what the ramp length > needs to be? > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jul 27 08:34:35 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] A.R.E. TR6 HS on Speed Reality Show "HARD PARTS" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF3A1C13979375-1D60-1EFB6@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> FOT: This comes from Sean Alexander. I also heard about this from CMS's Gary Hunter. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Watch the reality show Hard Parts South Bronx episode Vapor Locked. Saturday at 9pm central time on SPEED 07/28 | 10:00pm ET Vapor Locked The show designs a heat shield for 1972 TVR that has a TR6 engine in it that has a vapor lock problem...he goes thru the process of a mock-up card board model template and then having one hand fabed from alum that looks almost identical to ours......long story short the close up when they instal it on the car its not the alum one he had hand fabed but is clearly our stainless steel one because you can see the the "E" of the "ARE" logo. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- BTW, the original design for this Heat Shield was borrowed from an aluminum one that IRV KOREY had on his TR6 from the early 70s. We refined the design and changed the material to Stainless Steel and put it on production equipment. THANKS IRV! Joe A. From SStarkweather at vbisd.org Fri Jul 27 11:02:54 2012 From: SStarkweather at vbisd.org (Scott Starkweather) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:02:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Change of E-mail address Message-ID: <5012917E020000B60005EC35@mail.vbisd.org> I need to know if it is possible to change my e-mail address? currently it is sstarkweather at vbisd.org I need to change it to scottstarkweather at rocketmail.com Thanks, Scott Starkweather 269 208 6103 From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Jul 27 11:44:03 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] A.R.E. TR6 HS on Speed Reality Show "HARD PARTS" In-Reply-To: <8CF3A1C13979375-1D60-1EFB6@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3A1C13979375-1D60-1EFB6@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: > FOT: > > > > This comes from Sean Alexander. I also heard about this from CMS's Gary > Hunter. I was wondering if anyone else caught this... in my case, the show was on but I was not actively watching. I look up and see the carbs and the guys playing with carboard and say to myself "huh, TVR2500" Then I see the shield they indicated that they had it fab'd and said to myself "wow, that sure looks familiar". Interesting. Too bad they're too cheap to give a proper endorsment. =;-0 c yas, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 27 12:43:48 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:43:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A.R.E. TR6 HS on Speed Reality Show "HARD PARTS" In-Reply-To: <8CF3A1C13979375-1D60-1EFB6@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3A1C13979375-1D60-1EFB6@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I use the official A.R.E. Carb heat shield on my TVR. Thanks again Joe. Dennis On Jul 27, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > > > This comes from Sean Alexander. I also heard about this from CMS's Gary > Hunter. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Watch the reality show Hard Parts South Bronx episode Vapor Locked. Saturday > at 9pm central time on SPEED > > 07/28 > | 10:00pm ET > Vapor Locked > > The show designs a heat shield for 1972 TVR that has a TR6 engine in it that > has a vapor lock problem...he goes thru the process of a mock-up card board > model template and then having one hand fabed from alum that looks almost > identical to ours......long story short the close up when they instal it on > the car its not the alum one he had hand fabed but is clearly our stainless > steel one because you can see the the "E" of the "ARE" logo. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > BTW, the original design for this Heat Shield was borrowed from an aluminum > one that IRV KOREY had on his TR6 from the early 70s. We refined the design > and changed the material to Stainless Steel and put it on production > equipment. THANKS IRV! > > Joe A. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From walt at hot-tr6.com Fri Jul 27 17:07:58 2012 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:07:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A.R.E. TR6 HS on Speed Reality Show "HARD PARTS" In-Reply-To: <8CF3A1C13979375-1D60-1EFB6@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3A1C13979375-1D60-1EFB6@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000601cd6c4c$aa5369c0$fefa3d40$@hot-tr6.com> These shows have very little to do with reality. The sad thing is that I don't think you would actually have to have all the fake drama to have an interesting auto repair shop show. Hell, just hang around my garage most any evening or weekend when I'm not racing and you can see plenty of real drama. "No Dear, that is not a new engine block, racing camshaft, expensive tool, race tires, etec.etc.etc." Now that's reality!! Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 8:35 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] A.R.E. TR6 HS on Speed Reality Show "HARD PARTS" FOT: This comes from Sean Alexander. I also heard about this from CMS's Gary Hunter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Watch the reality show Hard Parts South Bronx episode Vapor Locked. Saturday at 9pm central time on SPEED 07/28 | 10:00pm ET Vapor Locked The show designs a heat shield for 1972 TVR that has a TR6 engine in it that has a vapor lock problem...he goes thru the process of a mock-up card board model template and then having one hand fabed from alum that looks almost identical to ours......long story short the close up when they instal it on the car its not the alum one he had hand fabed but is clearly our stainless steel one because you can see the the "E" of the "ARE" logo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- BTW, the original design for this Heat Shield was borrowed from an aluminum one that IRV KOREY had on his TR6 from the early 70s. We refined the design and changed the material to Stainless Steel and put it on production equipment. THANKS IRV! Joe A. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri Jul 27 18:58:15 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid inside the car (driver's floor) In-Reply-To: <005901cd6a94$c40be3b0$4c23ab10$@com> References: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> <005901cd6a94$c40be3b0$4c23ab10$@com> Message-ID: <1343437095.14006.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Does this mean that the master cylinder needs rebuilding? If so, what is the situation with the brake booster? Is it likely to have gotten contaminated or is it only possible that it did? From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri Jul 27 19:00:32 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid in the car (driver's side floor) In-Reply-To: <005901cd6a94$c40be3b0$4c23ab10$@com> References: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> <005901cd6a94$c40be3b0$4c23ab10$@com> Message-ID: <1343437232.28445.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> By the way, this is a 74 TR6. Thanks, Jim From clw2000 at msn.com Sun Jul 29 06:31:03 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 08:31:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Golden Gate Races Message-ID: I believe there was some interest on the list recently about the old Golden Gate Park races. I ran across this magazine for sale on Ebay for $8 which apparently has an article about it so I thought I'd pass it along http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130738964057&ssPageName=AD ME:B:SS:US:1123 or, on Ebay, search: Motorsport sept 1952 le mans 24 hour race-nascar-hill climb-ulster trophy race Thanks, Chuck Watson Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 29 08:31:06 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY " SPITFIRE & GT6" MAGAZINE - FOT FEATURED Message-ID: <8CF3BADEC9021AA-30C-1C9B4@webmail-d167.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Courtesy of the editor, I got a preview of the upcoming magazine issue. There is a SPITFIRE featured on the cover of the magazine while on the grid, surrounded by several other well know TRIUMPHS. The article is well crafted and features a large number of pictures of our race cars. Howard Baugues, EDITOR, is also this year's president of NORTH AMERICAN SPITFIRE SQUADRON. I have also invited him and his NASS organization to the 2013 Kastner Cup at Road America next September. We have had a substantial increase in interest in Spitfires & GT6s in vintage racing. Perhaps we can draw a few more racers from the ranks of NASS. Seems like a good thing for all of us. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From levilevi at comcast.net Sun Jul 29 11:43:06 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:43:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bought a trailer Message-ID: <14C97944-6D1E-4C9A-AA54-2DD08BF1BB4E@comcast.net> List, Thanks to everyone for providing great input on trailers and what to look for. I bought a 18 ft. Featherlite 3110 all aluminum trailer and the seller delivered it to my house today. The trailer has only a few thousand miles on it and it's in great shape. It only weights 1400 lbs. with a 7000 lb towing capacity. The ramps are 6 ft. and very light and easy to handle. The tires are like new and it has a couple of nice options (wind shield, tool box, ball lock, locks for ramps) And I don't have buyer's remorse unlike a lot of things I've bought...I'm actually pretty stoked. http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/Featherlite%203110%20trailer/ I have always admired the Featherlite trailers so now I finally have one. I went with an open trailer for less wind resistance and buffeting so hopefully the gas mileage won't suffer as much as with an enclosed trailer. I'll be towing mostly around Colorado until I get too old to drive to VTR and then the TR6 will probably be hauled on it. Until then it should work for towing a race car to the local races. I went with all aluminum for the low maintenance and that the light weight (about half of steel trailers the same size). I went for 18 ft. since everyone said it'd be easier to tie down the car than a shorter trailer. Crazy thing is the seller lived 1/2 a mile from me. One of the many great tips I got from the list was to take a 2x4 the same length as my wheelbase and put nails in the ends equal to my ground clearance. That really helped so I didn't have to drive the car onto every trailer I looked at to tell if it would drag or not (thanks to Duncan for that one). Thanks again for all the great ideas and input. It made this process much easier. Regards Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 29 16:06:14 2012 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:06:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] No name aluminum flywheel Message-ID: <3F9DEA3A66774FA1BAEF10F4DBCA088A@bkolnzPC> I know this a stretch,, but I want to replace the 6.5" friction plate on my aluminum flywheel. It came off of a 1963 1147, and is now on my 1300 racer. I had some issues at the Mitty which Barry Munson (my pit dude for the week-end) helped me get through. That issue is fixed, but under the glass there seems to be some wear that I don't want to think about going forward. It has twelve fasteners, and other than that has no identifying markings. Any input would be appreciated. Bill Collins #8(1) yellow TX From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 29 19:08:24 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Bought a trailer In-Reply-To: <14C97944-6D1E-4C9A-AA54-2DD08BF1BB4E@comcast.net> References: <14C97944-6D1E-4C9A-AA54-2DD08BF1BB4E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CF3C06F33201B5-DB0-256EE@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> Outstanding buy without the depreciation of a brand new one. Great Iowa product produced about one hour from me. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bud Rolofson To: FOT Sent: Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:46 pm Subject: [Fot] Bought a trailer List, Thanks to everyone for providing great input on trailers and what to look for. I bought a 18 ft. Featherlite 3110 all aluminum trailer and the seller delivered it to my house today. The trailer has only a few thousand miles on it and it's in great shape. It only weights 1400 lbs. with a 7000 lb towing capacity. The ramps are 6 ft. and very light and easy to handle. The tires are like new and it has a couple of nice options (wind shield, tool box, ball lock, locks for ramps) And I don't have buyer's remorse unlike a lot of things I've bought...I'm actually pretty stoked. http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/Featherlite%203110%20traile r/ I have always admired the Featherlite trailers so now I finally have one. I went with an open trailer for less wind resistance and buffeting so hopefully the gas mileage won't suffer as much as with an enclosed trailer. I'll be towing mostly around Colorado until I get too old to drive to VTR and then the TR6 will probably be hauled on it. Until then it should work for towing a race car to the local races. I went with all aluminum for the low maintenance and that the light weight (about half of steel trailers the same size). I went for 18 ft. since everyone said it'd be easier to tie down the car than a shorter trailer. Crazy thing is the seller lived 1/2 a mile from me. One of the many great tips I got from the list was to take a 2x4 the same length as my wheelbase and put nails in the ends equal to my ground clearance. That really helped so I didn't have to drive the car onto every trailer I looked at to tell if it would drag or not (thanks to Duncan for that one). Thanks again for all the great ideas and input. It made this process much easier. Regards Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From mmoore at wave1.net Mon Jul 30 06:59:53 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:59:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Southwick rear end Message-ID: <003801cd6e53$368fff40$a3affdc0$@net> My TR4 I just bought has a Southwick rear end and limited slip. The axle seals are leaking, probably from sitting for a few years and that is why my rear brakes are contaminated. Two questions: 1. Are the seals a different size or type than on a stock TR4, if so, where do I get them, and 2. Since this is not in my trusty Haynes manual, how do I remove the axles? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jul 30 07:12:53 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:12:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Southwick rear end In-Reply-To: <003801cd6e53$368fff40$a3affdc0$@net> References: <003801cd6e53$368fff40$a3affdc0$@net> Message-ID: <55608B642F934351A20F8381F053F89B@gdhs.local> Southwick has them $87.96 309 949 2868 John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Moore Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 9:00 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Southwick rear end My TR4 I just bought has a Southwick rear end and limited slip. The axle seals are leaking, probably from sitting for a few years and that is why my rear brakes are contaminated. Two questions: 1. Are the seals a different size or type than on a stock TR4, if so, where do I get them, and 2. Since this is not in my trusty Haynes manual, how do I remove the axles? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 30 07:15:45 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:15:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Southwick rear end In-Reply-To: <003801cd6e53$368fff40$a3affdc0$@net> References: <003801cd6e53$368fff40$a3affdc0$@net> Message-ID: <1343654145.75998.YahooMailRC@web185002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Mike Most of us have the Southwick rear axle conversion in our cars. The axles themselves are quite easy to take out - undo the horseshoe shaped plate that bolts to the flange and pull. The bearings should be the sealed type, and the axle tube may also have a lip seal to keep differential oil from getting to the bearing. If you call Bob at Southwick he will have the replacement part #'s for you. 309-949-2868 Good luck Dennis My TR4 I just bought has a Southwick rear end and limited slip. The axle seals are leaking, probably from sitting for a few years and that is why my rear brakes are contaminated. Two questions: 1. Are the seals a different size or type than on a stock TR4, if so, where do I get them, and 2. Since this is not in my trusty Haynes manual, how do I remove the axles? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From wensley_tr at comcast.net Mon Jul 30 07:57:06 2012 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:57:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Bought a trailer In-Reply-To: <14C97944-6D1E-4C9A-AA54-2DD08BF1BB4E@comcast.net> References: <14C97944-6D1E-4C9A-AA54-2DD08BF1BB4E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000901cd6e5b$34a350d0$9de9f270$@net> You bought a trailer Wow is that like honey I bought a steering wheel can I get the car????? Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud Rolofson Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:43 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Bought a trailer List, Thanks to everyone for providing great input on trailers and what to look for. I bought a 18 ft. Featherlite 3110 all aluminum trailer and the seller delivered it to my house today. The trailer has only a few thousand miles on it and it's in great shape. It only weights 1400 lbs. with a 7000 lb towing capacity. The ramps are 6 ft. and very light and easy to handle. The tires are like new and it has a couple of nice options (wind shield, tool box, ball lock, locks for ramps) And I don't have buyer's remorse unlike a lot of things I've bought...I'm actually pretty stoked. http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/Featherlite%203110%20trail er/ I have always admired the Featherlite trailers so now I finally have one. I went with an open trailer for less wind resistance and buffeting so hopefully the gas mileage won't suffer as much as with an enclosed trailer. I'll be towing mostly around Colorado until I get too old to drive to VTR and then the TR6 will probably be hauled on it. Until then it should work for towing a race car to the local races. I went with all aluminum for the low maintenance and that the light weight (about half of steel trailers the same size). I went for 18 ft. since everyone said it'd be easier to tie down the car than a shorter trailer. Crazy thing is the seller lived 1/2 a mile from me. One of the many great tips I got from the list was to take a 2x4 the same length as my wheelbase and put nails in the ends equal to my ground clearance. That really helped so I didn't have to drive the car onto every trailer I looked at to tell if it would drag or not (thanks to Duncan for that one). Thanks again for all the great ideas and input. It made this process much easier. Regards Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 30 11:37:02 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] calling RUSS WESTFALL Message-ID: <8CF3C9110526817-2F4-6A19@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 30 16:08:11 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Annual Charity Plea (resend) Message-ID: Hi, This is a re-send to FOT because I didn't see it posted there. Sorry if this is a duplicate. This message is SPAM, plain and simple. I'm looking for donations to my SCCA region's (New England Region) Race Against Leukemia (RAL). All the money goes to a 503C3 charity, it's 100% deductable. I get nothing from your donations except bragging rights. If I helped you in any way this year through pictures, stories, etc, please consider a donation in any amount. You can donate at the following web site: http://www.firstgiving.com/fundraiser/robert-lang-1/nerrace The race weekend is the first weekend in AUG, but the site will except donations for some time after that, if you get the urge later. ;-) Thanks in advance! Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Jul 30 21:47:55 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:47:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Caliifornia Air Message-ID: <1343706475.61265.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Guys: Just got in from "vacation" in Mexico and found the DVD in my held mail. Well worth the wait. Nicely done and produced. I especially like the ending. I love seeing Randy Williams using the car the way I thought it should be driven when I built it. Kas; thanks for honoring Randy and the car. Joe; thanks for all your work getting these great DVD's to us. -Ed- From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Jul 30 22:52:10 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:52:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Inaugural Race at The Ridge Motorsports Park Message-ID: <5017647A.1020909@comcast.net> It's not too often that you get to run the first race weekend at a new track. Patty had the opportunity this last weekend to run the first SCCA race at the new venue near Shelton Washington, The Ridge Motorsports Park. There were 4 Triumphs racing at the event, more than I have seen at a Northwest SCCA event in decades. Steve Hare was there in his Spitfire, Charlie Mitchell in his TR6, John James in his TR4 and Patty Norlin in our Spitfire. The weekend was not without issues, but the track was awesome from what I was told - I only took a couple of laps at low speed in an ancient Cortina. The facility is a work in progress, but the word was that the track owner, after seeing how crowded the paved pit areas were, decided that the next phase of pit paving would be double what they were planning to do. 2.5 miles, 16 turns, lots of elevation change and some really challenging turn sequences. Check out the video of the last lap and a half from Saturday's race. This is from our Spitfire with Patty driving. Charlie is in front, and you can catch glimpses of John in Patty's mirror. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9242GH0Ris&feature=plcp From rfdeanes at gmail.com Tue Jul 31 07:43:06 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:43:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Caliifornia Air In-Reply-To: <1343706475.61265.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1343706475.61265.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I also have recieved the DVD and watched it last night, it was great ! Lots of good footage and alot about Kas and all his hard work that we now are enjoying. Alot of interesting history on the 250K car and what it took to make it happen. Thanks to all that put this together...well worth the wait. And all the extra footage that we wouldn't have seen being in the pits keeping our cars going.Looks like it was made by MGM or someone simular. On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:47 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Guys: Just got in from "vacation" in Mexico and found the DVD in my held > mail. > Well worth the wait. Nicely done and produced. I especially like the > ending. I > love seeing Randy Williams using the car the way I thought it should be > driven > when I built it. Kas; thanks for honoring Randy and the car. Joe; thanks > for > all your work getting these great DVD's to us. > -Ed- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 31 07:48:34 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] CALIFORNIA AIR ONE MORE TIME Message-ID: <8CF3D3A4FC83DB4-FFC-D4B7@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> FOT: People have been traveling, out of touch, or working on their TRIUMPHS. Almost every day I have been getting another inquiry.....what's this "CALIFORNIA AIR"? One more time: It is a milestone documentary with Kas and his US/TRIUMPH FACTORY YEARS. It honors Kas' accomplishments with our TRIUMPHS It honors the FOT with footage from THE MITTY It is almost 2 hours long with other historic footage with interviews with factory personnel and US track footage. The artwork is something you will want to display on the shelf. This is no light weight amateur production and it will become more personally valuable with time. If you are on this list it's likely this DVD would be important to you. $28 including packaging and shipping. PayPal: n197tr4 at cs.com or check below Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Sat Jul 28 18:41:58 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Annual Charity Plea Message-ID: Hi, This message is SPAM, plain and simple. I'm looking for donations to my SCCA region's (New England Region) Race Against Leukemia (RAL). All the money goes to a 503C3 charity, it's 100% deductable. I get nothing from your donations except bragging rights. If I helped you in any way this year through pictures, stories, etc, please consider a donation in any amount. You can donate at the following web site: http://www.firstgiving.com/fundraiser/robert-lang-1/nerrace The race weekend is the first weekend in AUG, but the site will except donations for some time after that, if you get the urge later. ;-) Thanks in advance! Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 31 13:41:58 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Message-ID: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of 2014......................... Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' planning. We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the year....maybe later in the second half of the year. New tracks are candidates Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' efforts. I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are candidates. More choices and proposals are requested. Please step forward.....THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From clw2000 at msn.com Tue Jul 31 13:58:14 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:58:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Joe - I would love to see 2014 in the East again. I think the big Mitty FOT participation was partly due to location. I have seen some media about the brand new Atlanta Motorsports Park, which is apparently a first class new track that kindof operates like a country club. Maybe one the FOT is a member......they're at http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ Might make for a neat environment that's different than a festival. I think I could actually have a car ready for the 2014 event - I would hope so :) I'm a novice at all this but I'm happy to help out as needed. Thanks, Chuck Watson > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > > Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of > 2014......................... > > Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' > planning. > > We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the > year....maybe later in the second half of the year. > > New tracks are candidates > Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps > FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. > We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. > > Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. > Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' > efforts. > > I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are > candidates. > More choices and proposals are requested. > > Please step forward.....THANKS! > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 31 14:20:08 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING In-Reply-To: References: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF3D7103574CEE-FFC-12C16@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Charles, thanks for the note. Think 2015. It needs to be further west in 2014. THE MITTY was great and had great support with CMS. ===================================================================== Now for a few words on 2013 2013 at ROAD AMERICA is NOT a huge festival event, but has a lot of the features of one. But we will not have the benefit of big sponsorships.....always something, eh?. I say this because we may need to figure out a way to get some cash in the FOT coffers to support our efforts. I am thinking HOSPITALITY TENT and THURSDAY NITE HEAVY GRAZING. If there are any ideas about sponsors or ways of making some money for 2013, John Houlton and I would love to hear from you. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Charles WATSON To: n197tr4 ; FOT List Sent: Tue, Jul 31, 2012 2:58 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Joe - I would love to see 2014 in the East again. I think the big Mitty FOT participation was partly due to location. I have seen some media about the brand new Atlanta Motorsports Park, which is apparently a first class new track that kindof operates like a country club. Maybe one the FOT is a member......they're at http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ Might make for a neat environment that's different than a festival. I think I could actually have a car ready for the 2014 event - I would hope so :) I'm a novice at all this but I'm happy to help out as needed. Thanks, Chuck Watson > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > > Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of > 2014......................... > > Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' > planning. > > We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the > year....maybe later in the second half of the year. > > New tracks are candidates > Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps > FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. > We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. > > Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. > Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' > efforts. > > I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are > candidates. > More choices and proposals are requested. > > Please step forward.....THANKS! > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jul 31 14:27:13 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:27:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1798055864.411415.1343766433328.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Some of us in the middle of the country would also like to see a K-Cup but that's no secret. jim g Colorado ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles WATSON" To: n197tr4 at cs.com, "FOT List" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:58:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Joe - I would love to see 2014 in the East again. B I think the big Mitty FOT participation was partly due to location. B I have seen some media about the brand new Atlanta Motorsports Park, which is apparently a first class new track that kindof operates like a country club. Maybe one the FOT is a member......they're at http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ B Might make for a neat environment that's different than a festival. B I think I could actually have a car ready for the 2014 event - I would hope so :) I'm a novice at all this but I'm happy to help out as needed. Thanks, Chuck Watson > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > > Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of > 2014......................... > > Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' > planning. > > We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the > year....maybe later in the second half of the year. > > New tracks are candidates > Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps > FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. > We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. > > Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. > Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' > efforts. > > I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are > candidates. > More choices and proposals are requested. > > Please step forward.....THANKS! > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue Jul 31 14:34:44 2012 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:34:44 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Message-ID: <7888325.1343766884970.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> AMP has a very serious, and low, sound limit. I did a survey of sound levels of VDCA cars at one of our events at Roebling Road. Many would have passed the AMP test but not all of them by any means. Mike Jackson - Race Director VDCA -----Original Message----- >From: Charles WATSON >Sent: Jul 31, 2012 3:58 PM >To: n197tr4 at cs.com, FOT List >Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > >Joe - > >I would love to see 2014 in the East again. I think the big Mitty FOT >participation was partly due to location. I have seen some media about the >brand new Atlanta Motorsports Park, which is apparently a first class new >track that kindof operates like a country club. Maybe one the FOT is a >member......they're at http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ Might make for >a neat environment that's different than a festival. I think I could actually >have a car ready for the 2014 event - I would hope so :) > >I'm a novice at all this but I'm happy to help out as needed. > >Thanks, > >Chuck Watson > > > > > > > > >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 >> Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ >> >> Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of >> 2014......................... >> >> Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' >> planning. >> >> We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the >> year....maybe later in the second half of the year. >> >> New tracks are candidates >> Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps >> FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. >> We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. >> >> Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. >> Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' >> efforts. >> >> I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are >> candidates. >> More choices and proposals are requested. >> >> Please step forward.....THANKS! >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jul 31 15:53:00 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:53:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001e01cd6f66$db072bc0$91158340$@rogers.com> I am interested to know more about Russ Moore's brilliant plan?? Witness his efforts?...is it a secret? Thanks Paul MacDonald -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: July 31, 2012 3:42 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of 2014......................... Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' planning. We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the year....maybe later in the second half of the year. New tracks are candidates Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' efforts. I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are candidates. More choices and proposals are requested. Please step forward.....THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jul 31 16:11:30 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:11:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MG vs Triumph Event/Mosport June 2014 In-Reply-To: <001e01cd6f66$db072bc0$91158340$@rogers.com> References: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> <001e01cd6f66$db072bc0$91158340$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <001801cd6f69$6ffdb6c0$4ff92440$@rr.com> We're in the early stages and I have spent time with both the MGVR group and VARAC folks to get all on the same page as part of the planning stage for this event. The board of VARAC meets tomorrow and once we have their full approval I will divulge all to the group. I want to be sure I can deliver on what is in the works before making a general announcement. I ran the initial rough idea past a select few and that was step 1; someone let the cat out of the bag before it was ready. No worries, I see no impediments. All will be known once we get the official nod. It's no secret, I just want to be sure, simple as that. Give me 2 more days and all will be revealed and I'll be better able to give more and accurate information. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 5:53 PM To: 'Joe Alexander'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ I am interested to know more about Russ Moore's brilliant plan?? Witness his efforts?...is it a secret? Thanks Paul MacDonald -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: July 31, 2012 3:42 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of 2014......................... Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' planning. We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the year....maybe later in the second half of the year. New tracks are candidates Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' efforts. I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are candidates. More choices and proposals are requested. Please step forward.....THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From walt at hot-tr6.com Tue Jul 31 16:58:38 2012 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:58:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001cd6f70$06d31710$14794530$@hot-tr6.com> I wish to put in a strong plug for NAPA Speedway in Albuquerque, New Mexico for the 2014 Kastner Cup event. We have a nice 1.7 mile 14 corner technical road course that my local road race club uses. This track is located right off of I-40. The facilities are first class including lots of RV hook-ups. New Mexico has lots to offer when visitors are not on the racetrack. I have spoken to one of the owners of the track and he is very supportive of hosting this event. You can check out the speedway at: www.napaspeedway.com I can be your initial contact on this project if there is any interest. You can also check out some club racing at this track at our website: www.swms.com Thank You for your Consideration Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, New Mexico Ph 505 362-4350 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:42 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of 2014......................... Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' planning. We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the year....maybe later in the second half of the year. New tracks are candidates Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' efforts. I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are candidates. More choices and proposals are requested. Please step forward.....THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com From cofrog at q.com Tue Jul 31 18:22:29 2012 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <1798055864.411415.1343766433328.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> I'm with Jim..... ----- Original Message ----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: "Charles WATSON" Cc: "FOT List" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:27:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Some of us in the middle of the country would also like to see a K-Cup but that's no secret. jim g Colorado ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles WATSON" To: n197tr4 at cs.com, "FOT List" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:58:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Joe - I would love to see 2014 in the East again. B I think the big Mitty FOT participation was partly due to location. B I have seen some media about the brand new Atlanta Motorsports Park, which is apparently a first class new track that kindof operates like a country club. Maybe one the FOT is a member......they're at http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ B Might make for a neat environment that's different than a festival. B I think I could actually have a car ready for the 2014 event - I would hope so :) I'm a novice at all this but I'm happy to help out as needed. Thanks, Chuck Watson > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > > Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of > 2014......................... > > Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' > planning. > > We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the > year....maybe later in the second half of the year. > > New tracks are candidates > Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps > FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. > We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. > > Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. > Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' > efforts. > > I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are > candidates. > More choices and proposals are requested. > > Please step forward.....THANKS! > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Jul 31 18:46:25 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:46:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <0DD3CBCB-1832-4419-ABFA-F821DCB5940A@comcast.net> I'm with Jim and Walt. New Mexico has lots to see and do when not racing and the Albuquerque area would be close relatively speaking for us Coloradans. Bud 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jul 31, 2012, at 6:22 PM, cofrog at q.com wrote: > I'm with Jim..... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > To: "Charles WATSON" > Cc: "FOT List" > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:27:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > > Some of us in the middle of the country would also like to see a K- > Cup but > that's no secret. > > jim g > > Colorado > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Charles WATSON" > To: n197tr4 at cs.com, "FOT List" > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:58:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > > Joe - > > I would love to see 2014 in the East again. B I think the big Mitty > FOT > participation was partly due to location. B I have seen some media > about the > brand new Atlanta Motorsports Park, which is apparently a first > class new > track that kindof operates like a country club. Maybe one the FOT is a > member......they're at http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ B > Might make for > a neat environment that's different than a festival. B I think I could > actually > have a car ready for the 2014 event - I would hope so :) > > I'm a novice at all this but I'm happy to help out as needed. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > > > >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 >> Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ >> >> Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of >> 2014......................... >> >> Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict >> with Russ' >> planning. >> >> We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the >> year....maybe later in the second half of the year. >> >> New tracks are candidates >> Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps >> FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. >> We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. >> >> Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North >> America. >> Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness >> Russ' >> efforts. >> >> I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are >> candidates. >> More choices and proposals are requested. >> >> Please step forward.....THANKS! >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> clw2000 at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From horizonracing at msn.com Tue Jul 31 19:43:37 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (horizonracing at msn.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:43:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: My hope would be the HMSA event as the NAS coronardo in San Diego. Perfect weather, great location. The track it self is averge, but the event as a whole is wonderful. The race event is part of 'Fleet weeks". This years date is sept. 21-23. Tony Garmey Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID -----Original message----- From: cofrog at q.com To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: FOT List Sent: Tue, Jul 31, 2012 17:22:29 PDT Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ I'm with Jim..... ----- Original Message ----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: "Charles WATSON" Cc: "FOT List" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:27:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Some of us in the middle of the country would also like to see a K-Cup but that's no secret. jim g Colorado ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles WATSON" To: n197tr4 at cs.com, "FOT List" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:58:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Joe - I would love to see 2014 in the East again. B I think the big Mitty FOT participation was partly due to location. B I have seen some media about the brand new Atlanta Motorsports Park, which is apparently a first class new track that kindof operates like a country club. Maybe one the FOT is a member......they're at http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ B Might make for a neat environment that's different than a festival. B I think I could actually have a car ready for the 2014 event - I would hope so :) I'm a novice at all this but I'm happy to help out as needed. Thanks, Chuck Watson > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > > Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of > 2014......................... > > Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' > planning. > > We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the > year....maybe later in the second half of the year. > > New tracks are candidates > Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps > FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. > We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. > > Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. > Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' > efforts. > > I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are > candidates. > More choices and proposals are requested. > > Please step forward.....THANKS! > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Jul 31 20:56:34 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:56:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Message-ID: <6g6nwaa4qpjv28ntm23tj52e.1343789794718@email.android.com> I would like to offer up a CVAR event at the relatively new and technical Eagles Canyon raceway in north Texas but we only have one date a year there and it is in May.B ECR has a covered paddock that we could likely secure for the whole FOT gang and we have a couple of north TX FOT who could coordinate (there I go volunteering folks again.....) We also have Hallett in October but we have held the cup there once and we didn't get enough cars to justify another stab at that one.B Sent from my Samsung Galaxy TabJoe Alexander wrote:Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of 2014......................... Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' planning. We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the year....maybe later in the second half of the year. New tracks are candidates Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' efforts. I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are candidates. More choices and proposals are requested. Please step forward.....THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711B (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue Jul 31 19:57:43 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:57:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <0DD3CBCB-1832-4419-ABFA-F821DCB5940A@comcast.net> References: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> <0DD3CBCB-1832-4419-ABFA-F821DCB5940A@comcast.net> Message-ID: <50188D17.8030405@comcast.net> New Mexico is about a 1500 mile tow from Portland, but one I'd be willing to make. I've not spent a lot of time in the area and have heard great things. My suggestion for a left coast venue would be Thunderhill. Challenging track and a great facility. Jim On 7/31/2012 5:46 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > I'm with Jim and Walt. New Mexico has lots to see and do when not > racing and the Albuquerque area would be close relatively speaking for > us Coloradans. > > Bud From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue Jul 31 20:01:29 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:01:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: References: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <50188DF9.5050407@comcast.net> And Tony's got another good thought. Don't know much about it, but I've heard good things about the "event". On 7/31/2012 6:43 PM, horizonracing at msn.com wrote: > My hope would be the HMSA event as the NAS coronardo in San Diego. Perfect > weather, great location. The track it self is averge, but the event as a > whole is wonderful. The race event is part of 'Fleet weeks". This years > date is sept. 21-23. > Tony Garmey > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Tue Jul 31 20:15:48 2012 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1343787348.4722.YahooMailClassic@web111416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Twenty fourteen being the 55th anniversary of the Mini, there is a huge Can-Am Mini Challenge race being planned for Mosport in June of 2014. Can one venue handle two Marque features? I would suggest someplace else for that year. Ken Suhre --- On Tue, 7/31/12, Joe Alexander wrote: From: Joe Alexander Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2012, 2:41 PM Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of 2014......................... Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' planning. We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the year....maybe later in the second half of the year. New tracks are candidates Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' efforts. I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are candidates. More choices and proposals are requested. Please step forward.....THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Tue Jul 31 20:23:21 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:23:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: References: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> <0DD3CBCB-1832-4419-ABFA-F821DCB5940A@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8A4539D4-F48A-4291-872D-557E7B770081@yahoo.com> > I like that we are discussing this now. Helps with the planning moving forward. > > I agree with the Bud, Jim, Dan, and Walt. Either NM or CO would have a large draw due to pent up demand and the activities/tourist attractions in the area. Lots to do in addition to racing. Heck, why not hold it around the Pikes Peak Hill Climb? That is an event you have to see live at least once. > > Since Topeka, many of us in the mountain states have not been able to make the very long tows to Laguna Seca and the Mitty. And Road America is quite a tow as well. We could definitely field a large event if we combined it with one of the RMVR club races or did a closer tow to Albuquerque. > > Just a few ideas to consider moving forward. > > Ty > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) From jason at multivintage.com Tue Jul 31 20:29:46 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 02:29:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <8A4539D4-F48A-4291-872D-557E7B770081@yahoo.com> References: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> <0DD3CBCB-1832-4419-ABFA-F821DCB5940A@comcast.net> <8A4539D4-F48A-4291-872D-557E7B770081@yahoo.com> Message-ID: We are all planning on you rocky mountain guys being at Road America. No excuses. Start planning now. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:23:21 To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > I like that we are discussing this now. Helps with the planning moving forward. > > I agree with the Bud, Jim, Dan, and Walt. Either NM or CO would have a large draw due to pent up demand and the activities/tourist attractions in the area. Lots to do in addition to racing. Heck, why not hold it around the Pikes Peak Hill Climb? That is an event you have to see live at least once. > > Since Topeka, many of us in the mountain states have not been able to make the very long tows to Laguna Seca and the Mitty. And Road America is quite a tow as well. We could definitely field a large event if we combined it with one of the RMVR club races or did a closer tow to Albuquerque. > > Just a few ideas to consider moving forward. > > Ty > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 31 20:45:52 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 22:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <20120801023618.1ECD72D02C0@autox.team.net> References: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> <0DD3CBCB-1832-4419-ABFA-F821DCB5940A@comcast.net> <8A4539D4-F48A-4291-872D-557E7B770081@yahoo.com> <20120801023618.1ECD72D02C0@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CF3DA6E641633D-FFC-14ACF@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> good point Jason...... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: jason To: Tylerpthompson ; fot-bounces Cc: FOT List Sent: Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:38 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ We are all planning on you rocky mountain guys being at Road America. No excuses. Start planning now. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:23:21 To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > I like that we are discussing this now. Helps with the planning moving forward. > > I agree with the Bud, Jim, Dan, and Walt. Either NM or CO would have a large draw due to pent up demand and the activities/tourist attractions in the area. Lots to do in addition to racing. Heck, why not hold it around the Pikes Peak Hill Climb? That is an event you have to see live at least once. > > Since Topeka, many of us in the mountain states have not been able to make the very long tows to Laguna Seca and the Mitty. And Road America is quite a tow as well. We could definitely field a large event if we combined it with one of the RMVR club races or did a closer tow to Albuquerque. > > Just a few ideas to consider moving forward. > > Ty > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From levilevi at comcast.net Sun Jul 1 01:32:59 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 01:32:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <000001cd5746$b25bf2b0$0601a8c0@randall> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , , <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, , , , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com><1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly><4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> <000001cd5746$b25bf2b0$0601a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <056ACCDA-8E02-4F9D-93EF-20ADC877A5AF@comcast.net> Close but the Honda part has a nub that goes into the cover hole as seen in the pics. Doesn't look like the McMaster part does that. http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/Honda%20valve%20cover%20seals/ Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jun 30, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Randall wrote: >> That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've had great luck stopping >> leaks out the cover bolt holes with these. > > Are those similar to > http://www.mcmaster.com/#93781A037 > or something different ? > > -- Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 1 03:54:51 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 11:54:51 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD now torque bars In-Reply-To: References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <001201cd442a$e0dc46a0$a294d3e0$@com> <2028339053-1339072495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-787904219-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <214332522-1339073887-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1856733750-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: <000301cd576f$91f3c1f0$b5db45d0$@com> Hi, I would like to give you an update on the rear axle issue I had. Ive installed bars above the spring to cure the rear axle steer. And it did help. At Spa, especially in the rain the car is more predictable with those bars. I felt no steer caused by the bars but the rear end felt very calm and easy to handle. Instead of using rose joints at all places I put some rubber in place so the stiffening up at cornering I felt on my first test rides is gone. Im happy with it now. Thanks for input. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx < tr4racing at googlemail.com> To: 'FOT' < fot at autox.team.net> Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am Subject: [Fot] LSD I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on throttle" and to the left "off throttle". Does anybody see a reason for that? http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE Cheers Chris From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sun Jul 1 04:48:43 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 11:48:43 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <7443CF14-CBD9-438D-AD86-19ED71F4A475@gdhs.com> References: <20120630175214.34F892D08F2@autox.team.net> <8A619A4B-3408-4EC1-BB9E-E13B6685B2CB@gdhs.com> <7443CF14-CBD9-438D-AD86-19ED71F4A475@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <07C8108F-234F-47E2-8ECE-A3E456909221@virgin.net> Guys you can buy an 'adjustable' top fulcrum kit, with which you can move the top wishbones back to get more negative camber. Another benefit is that you can adjust out any twists or tweaks in the top of the turret. You just bolt this lot up in the correct position and then tag weld it all on so that it's solid. TR Enterprises and Revington TR in the UK offer these and it's a better solution than shortening the top arms IMHO because you leave the 'dynamic' geometry in the same configuration as designed. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2012, at 23:44, John Hasty wrote: > Yep.... About 1 to 1/2" out of the upper A arms should do it > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 30, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> I wish there was an adjustment for this, unfortunately I will have to modify > something if I need to change the camber. >> >> I'm going to see what toe-in does and then try toe-out as Jim Gray has > suggested. At least these adjustments can be done relatively quickly. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM, John Hasty wrote: >> I'm with Chris more neg camber >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: >> >>> Try 1/16" total toe out, it'll get rid of that push. >>> jim g >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of brad.kahler at 141.com >>> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:08 AM >>> To: Friends of Triumph >>> Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 >>> >>> Amici, >>> >>> My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, >>> replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite >>> replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor >>> trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I > can >>> detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials >>> this >>> would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering >>> wheel. >>> The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning > the >>> steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it > feels >>> like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the >>> turn. >>> It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in > straight >>> ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of >>> the >>> wheel either direction and it seems to over react. >>> >>> So, is this a toe-in >>> problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? >>> >>> Years ago I had a 73 >>> TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. >>> >>> Other than >>> this issue the car rides smooth as glass. >>> >>> Any suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brad >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 1 07:38:31 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 09:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <07C8108F-234F-47E2-8ECE-A3E456909221@virgin.net> References: <20120630175214.34F892D08F2@autox.team.net> <8A619A4B-3408-4EC1-BB9E-E13B6685B2CB@gdhs.com> <7443CF14-CBD9-438D-AD86-19ED71F4A475@gdhs.com> <07C8108F-234F-47E2-8ECE-A3E456909221@virgin.net> Message-ID: <8CF25A5EFE58016-1C94-4D5AE@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com> Gary Horstkorta has the fixtures to produce a high quality version of this adjustable assembly. I dont know if he is still doing them or what they cost. As I remember it, they were adjustable while on the car. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: TR4 Tony To: John Hasty Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 8:32 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Guys you can buy an 'adjustable' top fulcrum kit, with which you can move the top wishbones back to get more negative camber. Another benefit is that you can adjust out any twists or tweaks in the top of the turret. You just bolt this lot up in the correct position and then tag weld it all on so that it's solid. TR Enterprises and Revington TR in the UK offer these and it's a better solution than shortening the top arms IMHO because you leave the 'dynamic' geometry in the same configuration as designed. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2012, at 23:44, John Hasty wrote: > Yep.... About 1 to 1/2" out of the upper A arms should do it > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 30, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> I wish there was an adjustment for this, unfortunately I will have to modify > something if I need to change the camber. >> >> I'm going to see what toe-in does and then try toe-out as Jim Gray has > suggested. At least these adjustments can be done relatively quickly. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM, John Hasty wrote: >> I'm with Chris more neg camber >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: >> >>> Try 1/16" total toe out, it'll get rid of that push. >>> jim g >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of brad.kahler at 141.com >>> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:08 AM >>> To: Friends of Triumph >>> Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 >>> >>> Amici, >>> >>> My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, >>> replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite >>> replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor >>> trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I > can >>> detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials >>> this >>> would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering >>> wheel. >>> The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning > the >>> steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it > feels >>> like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the >>> turn. >>> It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in > straight >>> ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of >>> the >>> wheel either direction and it seems to over react. >>> >>> So, is this a toe-in >>> problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? >>> >>> Years ago I had a 73 >>> TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. >>> >>> Other than >>> this issue the car rides smooth as glass. >>> >>> Any suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brad >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sun Jul 1 07:39:57 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 07:39:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] LSD now torque bars In-Reply-To: <000301cd576f$91f3c1f0$b5db45d0$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <001201cd442a$e0dc46a0$a294d3e0$@com> <2028339053-1339072495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-787904219-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <214332522-1339073887-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1856733750-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <000301cd576f$91f3c1f0$b5db45d0$@com> Message-ID: <42A0110B-68F2-4AA2-828C-7050DDD757EF@yahoo.com> Any pics you can share Chris? Thx Ty Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2012, at 3:54 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > Hi, > > > > I would like to give you an update on the rear axle issue I had. > > Ive installed bars above the spring to cure the rear axle steer. > > And it did help. > > At Spa, especially in the rain the car is more predictable with those bars. > > I felt no steer caused by the bars but the rear end felt very calm and easy > to handle. > > Instead of using rose joints at all places I put some rubber in place so the > stiffening up at cornering I felt on my first test rides is gone. > > > > Im happy with it now. > > Thanks for input. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MadMarx < tr4racing at googlemail.com> > To: 'FOT' < fot at autox.team.net> > Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am > Subject: [Fot] LSD > > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > throttle" and to the left "off throttle". > > Does anybody see a reason for that? > > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 1 08:11:27 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 16:11:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD now torque bars In-Reply-To: <42A0110B-68F2-4AA2-828C-7050DDD757EF@yahoo.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <001201cd442a$e0dc46a0$a294d3e0$@com> <2028339053-1339072495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-787904219-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <214332522-1339073887-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1856733750-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <000301cd576f$91f3c1f0$b5d b45d0$@com> <42A0110B-68F2-4AA2-828C-7050DDD757EF@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001cd5793$68fa8530$3aef8f90$@com> Sure I can. The rods are taken from the Spitfire. I welded a M8 nut on the front. And I welded an extension on the axle tube: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3r6FX4NXsZw/T8_IiglnzXI/AAAAAAAABYE/sfCYJ bBJyn0/s761/DSC02759.JPG Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Tylerpthompson [mailto:tylerpthompson at yahoo.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. Juli 2012 15:40 An: MadMarx Cc: fot Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD now torque bars Any pics you can share Chris? Thx Ty Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2012, at 3:54 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > Hi, > > > > I would like to give you an update on the rear axle issue I had. > > Ive installed bars above the spring to cure the rear axle steer. > > And it did help. > > At Spa, especially in the rain the car is more predictable with those bars. > > I felt no steer caused by the bars but the rear end felt very calm and easy > to handle. > > Instead of using rose joints at all places I put some rubber in place so the > stiffening up at cornering I felt on my first test rides is gone. > > > > Im happy with it now. > > Thanks for input. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MadMarx < tr4racing at googlemail.com> > To: 'FOT' < fot at autox.team.net> > Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am > Subject: [Fot] LSD > > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > throttle" and to the left "off throttle". > > Does anybody see a reason for that? > > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 1 08:17:12 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 16:17:12 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <07C8108F-234F-47E2-8ECE-A3E456909221@virgin.net> References: <20120630175214.34F892D08F2@autox.team.net> <8A619A4B-3408-4EC1-BB9E-E13B6685B2CB@gdhs.com> <7443CF14-CBD9-438D-AD86-19ED71F4A475@gdhs.com> <07C8108F-234F-47E2-8ECE-A3E456909221@virgin.net> Message-ID: <000101cd5794$37638de0$a62aa9a0$@com> Depending on what you need a stronger camber gain might be desirable. I run 4.5 static camber and it gains about 2 degree at full bump. A well thought bump steer correction makes fast driving on the Nordschleife easy. The car is always very calm on bumpy corners. On bump steer the suspension is set to toe out. On normal ride toe in. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von TR4 Tony Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. Juli 2012 12:49 An: John Hasty Cc: Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Guys you can buy an 'adjustable' top fulcrum kit, with which you can move the top wishbones back to get more negative camber. Another benefit is that you can adjust out any twists or tweaks in the top of the turret. You just bolt this lot up in the correct position and then tag weld it all on so that it's solid. TR Enterprises and Revington TR in the UK offer these and it's a better solution than shortening the top arms IMHO because you leave the 'dynamic' geometry in the same configuration as designed. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2012, at 23:44, John Hasty wrote: > Yep.... About 1 to 1/2" out of the upper A arms should do it > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 30, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> I wish there was an adjustment for this, unfortunately I will have to modify > something if I need to change the camber. >> >> I'm going to see what toe-in does and then try toe-out as Jim Gray has > suggested. At least these adjustments can be done relatively quickly. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM, John Hasty wrote: >> I'm with Chris more neg camber >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: >> >>> Try 1/16" total toe out, it'll get rid of that push. >>> jim g >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of brad.kahler at 141.com >>> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:08 AM >>> To: Friends of Triumph >>> Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 >>> >>> Amici, >>> >>> My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, >>> replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite >>> replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor >>> trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I > can >>> detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials >>> this >>> would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering >>> wheel. >>> The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning > the >>> steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it > feels >>> like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the >>> turn. >>> It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in > straight >>> ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of >>> the >>> wheel either direction and it seems to over react. >>> >>> So, is this a toe-in >>> problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? >>> >>> Years ago I had a 73 >>> TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. >>> >>> Other than >>> this issue the car rides smooth as glass. >>> >>> Any suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brad >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 1 08:20:15 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 16:20:15 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD now torque bars In-Reply-To: <42A0110B-68F2-4AA2-828C-7050DDD757EF@yahoo.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <001201cd442a$e0dc46a0$a294d3e0$@com> <2028339053-1339072495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-787904219-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <214332522-1339073887-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1856733750-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <000301cd576f$91f3c1f0$b5d b45d0$@com> <42A0110B-68F2-4AA2-828C-7050DDD757EF@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000201cd5794$a6df49c0$f49ddd40$@com> Maybe the video is interesting too? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8Wx0_DPVm8 -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Tylerpthompson [mailto:tylerpthompson at yahoo.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. Juli 2012 15:40 An: MadMarx Cc: fot Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD now torque bars Any pics you can share Chris? Thx Ty Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2012, at 3:54 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > Hi, > > > > I would like to give you an update on the rear axle issue I had. > > Ive installed bars above the spring to cure the rear axle steer. > > And it did help. > > At Spa, especially in the rain the car is more predictable with those bars. > > I felt no steer caused by the bars but the rear end felt very calm and easy > to handle. > > Instead of using rose joints at all places I put some rubber in place so the > stiffening up at cornering I felt on my first test rides is gone. > > > > Im happy with it now. > > Thanks for input. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MadMarx < tr4racing at googlemail.com> > To: 'FOT' < fot at autox.team.net> > Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am > Subject: [Fot] LSD > > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > throttle" and to the left "off throttle". > > Does anybody see a reason for that? > > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From mlcooknj at msn.com Sun Jul 1 08:47:20 2012 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 10:47:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE In-Reply-To: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It will be in TVT #133 that I'm finishing up right now. Mike > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:41:53 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE > > Mike Cook was very busy at the MITTY with interviews. I suspect one of the > next issues of the award winning VTR magazine will contain a lot of content on > our favorite TRIUMPH PEOPLE as well as the Kastner Cup. > > Likely worth the price of a year's membership with VTR. If you look at the > masthead with names, you will find that the FOT is well represented. The > magazine covers FOT activities extensively, too. > > Witness the FOT/VTR event poster. This is a collaboration between our groups > and is funded by VTR with production by ISOA's Joe Pawlak at his cost. > > Please consider membership to support them in return. Expect this > collaboration to continue in future years with another event poster in 2013 at > Road America. > > > Joe Alexander > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 1 09:12:57 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 11:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE In-Reply-To: References: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF25B321A48E46-1C94-4EE2F@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com> perhaps you could announce the 11th Running of the Kastner Cup at Road America? i know that VTR and the ISOA folks are going to be interested in making plans for this. this is a popular event in North America. It will be the first time that TRIUMPH has been featured since 1996. a lot of attention to this event by VSCDA and Road America is expected. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: michael cook To: Joe Alexander ; fot Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 9:47 am Subject: RE: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE It will be in TVT #133 that I'm finishing up right now. Mike > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:41:53 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE > > Mike Cook was very busy at the MITTY with interviews. I suspect one of the > next issues of the award winning VTR magazine will contain a lot of content on > our favorite TRIUMPH PEOPLE as well as the Kastner Cup. > > Likely worth the price of a year's membership with VTR. If you look at the > masthead with names, you will find that the FOT is well represented. The > magazine covers FOT activities extensively, too. > > Witness the FOT/VTR event poster. This is a collaboration between our groups > and is funded by VTR with production by ISOA's Joe Pawlak at his cost. > > Please consider membership to support them in return. Expect this > collaboration to continue in future years with another event poster in 2013 at > Road America. > > > Joe Alexander > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jul 1 08:05:59 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 07:05:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <056ACCDA-8E02-4F9D-93EF-20ADC877A5AF@comcast.net> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , , <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, , , , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com><1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly><4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> <000001cd5746$b25bf2b0$0601a8c0@randall> <056ACCDA-8E02-4F9D-93EF-20ADC877A5AF@comcast.net> Message-ID: <006c01cd5792$a4f27fd0$0601a8c0@randall> Thanks for the explanation and photos, Bud. -- Randall From gregsk at bell.net Sun Jul 1 09:46:49 2012 From: gregsk at bell.net (GregKerr) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 11:46:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Any TR7 or TR8 racers in the group? References: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: This is my first post so I hope I'm doing this correctly. My name is Greg Kerr. I own a Triumph TR8 on the street. My friend Bruce Luke (TR3 owner) and I have just purchased an immaculate period correct racing TR7 from member Paul McDonald. Bruce and I raced Spitfires together as young bucks in the 1970's and now that we've both just turned 60, we've decided to relive the foolishness of our youth and get back into racing. :-) The car is very tricked out but currently has only a mildly modified TR7 engine in it. This setup will be fine for our first season in 2013. We haven't raced for a long time so this engine will get us through driver's school and our novice races in the first season. For 2014 we're not quite sure what we want to with the engine but are considering a either a dolomite sprint engine or converting to the Rover 3.5 V8. We already have a sprint head and also have two V8 engines. I'm tending to lean towards the V8 as I'm familiar with that engine but Bruce is keen on the sprint engine. Its really an either or, since we could go either way. There is lots of tuning info and resources for the V8 in North America but we can't find any resources on the sprint engine on our side of the pond. Just wondering if anybody in the group has any experience or thoughts about racing a standard TR7 8 valve vs dolomite sprint engine vs the V8. Greg From gregsk at bell.net Sun Jul 1 10:36:21 2012 From: gregsk at bell.net (GregKerr) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 12:36:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Any TR7 or TR8 racers in the group? References: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> <8CF25BCC8C9B524-1C94-4FA04@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the response Joe. Bruce and I are solid Triumph guys. My first street car at age 19 was a 68 Spitfire as was my first race car. Many years ago when we were young lads racing our Spits, Bruce also owned a TR3 and has always wanted another one. He's just completing a restoration at the moment. The car will be immaculate when completed. I know Ted Schumacher quite well. He built my TR8 engine for my street car about 20 yrs ago. Interesting story on my TR8. I sold it in 1995 and then bought it back three owners later in 2010. Other sources I know is Woody from the Wedge Shop in Mass and Peter Bulkowski in Ontario. Peter races an IMSA TR8 that was prepared for him 30+ yrs by Group 44. If we go the TR8 we won't go that wild. We'd prepare our car more like a SCCA CP TR8 from that era. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Alexander To: gregsk at bell.net ; mlcooknj at msn.com Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 12:22 PM Subject: Re: Any TR7 or TR8 racers in the group? Nice introduction....thanks! The TR7 and The TR8 is becoming more and more a part of vintage racing. It's inevitable as time marches on. You can help us promote the idea as a logical expansion of Triumph racing with your TR7. It is likely your TR7 would be accepted in the 2013 Kastner Cup and consider this a sincere invitation, to join us in September of 2013. I hope you hear from some folks on your questions. I think Ted Schumacher is a specialist in Wedges, but you likely already know that. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: GregKerr To: michael cook ; Joe Alexander ; fot Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 10:46 am Subject: Any TR7 or TR8 racers in the group? This is my first post so I hope I'm doing this correctly. My name is Greg Kerr. I own a Triumph TR8 on the street. My friend Bruce Luke (TR3 owner) and I have just purchased an immaculate period correct racing TR7 from member Paul McDonald. Bruce and I raced Spitfires together as young bucks in the 1970's and now that we've both just turned 60, we've decided to relive the foolishness of our youth and get back into racing. :-) The car is very tricked out but currently has only a mildly modified TR7 engine in it. This setup will be fine for our first season in 2013. We haven't raced for a long time so this engine will get us through driver's school and our novice races in the first season. For 2014 we're not quite sure what we want to with the engine but are considering a either a dolomite sprint engine or converting to the Rover 3.5 V8. We already have a sprint head and also have two V8 engines. I'm tending to lean towards the V8 as I'm familiar with that engine but Bruce is keen on the sprint engine. Its really an either or, since we could go either way. There is lots of tuning info and resources for the V8 in North America but we can't find any resources on the sprint engine on our side of the pond. Just wondering if anybody in the group has any experience or thoughts about racing a standard TR7 8 valve vs dolomite sprint engine vs the V8. Greg From garygret at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 1 11:44:59 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 10:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Any TR7 or TR8 racers in the group? In-Reply-To: References: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1341164699.48585.YahooMailRC@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greg, I believe Yves Boode at Historic Racecar in Woodstock IL is knowledgeable on TR7 running gear and could give you some insights. He builds engines and preps the car for an endurance team that runs a TR7, but I think they recently converted to a Ford engine for reliability. He's built Mini and TR4 engines for me and is a good honest guy. http://www.historicracecar.com/contact.html or (815) 337-4001. The TR8 I had was great but I also had a TR7 which was a disappointment. I'm not familiar with the Dolomites but if I had a V8 in the garage it would be an easy decision in my mind :-) Regards, Gary Schneider ________________________________ From: GregKerr To: michael cook ; Joe Alexander ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, July 1, 2012 11:10:55 AM Subject: [Fot] Any TR7 or TR8 racers in the group? This is my first post so I hope I'm doing this correctly. My name is Greg Kerr. I own a Triumph TR8 on the street. My friend Bruce Luke (TR3 owner) and I have just purchased an immaculate period correct racing TR7 from member Paul McDonald. Bruce and I raced Spitfires together as young bucks in the 1970's and now that we've both just turned 60, we've decided to relive the foolishness of our youth and get back into racing. :-) The car is very tricked out but currently has only a mildly modified TR7 engine in it. This setup will be fine for our first season in 2013. We haven't raced for a long time so this engine will get us through driver's school and our novice races in the first season. For 2014 we're not quite sure what we want to with the engine but are considering a either a dolomite sprint engine or converting to the Rover 3.5 V8. We already have a sprint head and also have two V8 engines. I'm tending to lean towards the V8 as I'm familiar with that engine but Bruce is keen on the sprint engine. Its really an either or, since we could go either way. There is lots of tuning info and resources for the V8 in North America but we can't find any resources on the sprint engine on our side of the pond. Just wondering if anybody in the group has any experience or thoughts about racing a standard TR7 8 valve vs dolomite sprint engine vs the V8. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net From barry at penybryn.ca Sun Jul 1 17:01:04 2012 From: barry at penybryn.ca (Barry Munson) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 17:01:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 Message-ID: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Amici - As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: Engine - 61.0 lbs Chassis - 11.0 lbs Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will forward one immediately. I can also supply the source and cost for any of the components. I have checked the archives for such a compilation and couldn't find one - that doesn't necessarily mean that it's not there.. Barry. From levilevi at comcast.net Sun Jul 1 17:39:37 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 17:39:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 In-Reply-To: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> References: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Message-ID: <0823C9C4-890A-45C8-91E0-F0E06075C258@comcast.net> Barry, Please send me a copy of your component table. I'm in the process of making similar type decisions on what parts to use and what race category it would put me in to use certain parts. Weight considerations are high priority part of that process so your timing for me could not be better. Thanks for sharing. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jul 1, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Barry Munson wrote: > Amici - > > As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary > process > from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two > years, one of > the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue > of > weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce > the > weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of > the > majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising > either > safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things > like the > addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, > increasing > the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not > considered. What > I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy > components for > stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later > models of > the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two > years I > have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring > bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and > cost has > been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that > knowledge. > > The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component > breakdown: > > Engine - 61.0 lbs > > Chassis - 11.0 lbs > > Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the > components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and > performance. > > > > I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where > this > reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for > team.net > therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and > I will > forward one immediately. I can also supply the source and cost for > any of > the components. I have checked the archives for such a compilation and > couldn't find one - that doesn't necessarily mean that it's not > there.. > > > > Barry. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sun Jul 1 18:02:21 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 19:02:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 In-Reply-To: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> References: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Message-ID: <8252952C-A9FA-46B0-9BF8-F37690F5A14B@gmail.com> Alfin rear drums might save a bit of unsprung weight (if you can find them). I had a set on the front of my early drum-braked '56 TR3 and I'm pretty sure they would have fit on the rear as well. Disc wheels will be lighter than wire wheels but if you removed 16 lbs at each axle I'm guessing you've already done this. An aluminum radiator will be lighter than the stock item. Duncan (Texas) On Jul 1, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Barry Munson wrote: > Amici - > > As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process > from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of > the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of > weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the > weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the > majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either > safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the > addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing > the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What > I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for > stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of > the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I > have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring > bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has > been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. > > The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: > > Engine - 61.0 lbs > > Chassis - 11.0 lbs > > Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the > components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. > > > > I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this > reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net > therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will > forward one immediately. I can also supply the source and cost for any of > the components. I have checked the archives for such a compilation and > couldn't find one - that doesn't necessarily mean that it's not there.. > > > > Barry. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 1 18:38:09 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 20:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 alloy engine plates In-Reply-To: <8252952C-A9FA-46B0-9BF8-F37690F5A14B@gmail.com> References: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> <8252952C-A9FA-46B0-9BF8-F37690F5A14B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CF26021655F640-1C94-52BB5@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com> Perhaps this is a good time to shamelessly mention that we launched a new production run on: TR3 TR4 TR6 FRONT TR6 REAR MORGAN TR3 and TR4 are about five weeks out The rest are about four weeks out. we still have an abundance of GT6 REARS. SPITFIRE REARS are available. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: FOT team Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 7:05 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 Alfin rear drums might save a bit of unsprung weight (if you can find them). I had a set on the front of my early drum-braked '56 TR3 and I'm pretty sure they would have fit on the rear as well. Disc wheels will be lighter than wire wheels but if you removed 16 lbs at each axle I'm guessing you've already done this. An aluminum radiator will be lighter than the stock item. Duncan (Texas) On Jul 1, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Barry Munson wrote: > Amici - > > As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process > from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of > the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of > weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the > weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the > majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either > safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the > addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing > the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What > I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for > stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of > the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I > have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring > bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has > been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. > > The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: > > Engine - 61.0 lbs > > Chassis - 11.0 lbs > > Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the > components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. > > > > I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this > reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net > therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will > forward one immediately. I can also supply the source and cost for any of > the components. I have checked the archives for such a compilation and > couldn't find one - that doesn't necessarily mean that it's not there.. > > > > Barry. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jul 1 20:43:03 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 19:43:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 In-Reply-To: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> References: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Message-ID: <01dc01cd57fc$67ab0a10$0601a8c0@randall> > Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. Just curious, has anyone tried reducing the diameter of the rear half shafts from the splines out to near the seal area? Obviously torque can't be an issue, since the splines are smaller; and I wouldn't think the relatively small side load would be an issue but ??? -- Randall From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Jul 2 11:29:28 2012 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (brad.kahler at 141.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 13:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] castor, camber, toe-in and all things mysterious Message-ID: <1341250168.23381072@mail.141.com> Ok, The discussion recently on whether I might have a toe-in problem on my street TR4 raised a few other questions that Ibm guessing can be answered by the group. While doing a little research on the subject I found this interesting comment from Wikipedia, b Off-road vehicles such as agricultural tractors generally use positive camber.b Somehow this seemed appropriate, after all we are talking about cars with tractor engines :) Looking at the numbers used by Triumph for the various models: TR4 Caster = 3 deg + Camber = 2 deg + Toe-in = 1/8b Swivel pin = 7 deg TR4A/250 Caster = 2-3/4 deg + Camber = 1/2 deg + Toe-in = 1/16b Swivel pin = 8-1/2 deg TR6 Caster = 2-3/4 deg + Camber = 1/2 deg + Toe-in = 1/16b Swivel pin = 9 deg Ibm not sure what the Swivel pin reference means. Ibve not seen that term used before regarding the front suspension. >From reading the archives it seems the most common preference for camber is -1.5 degrees. Assuming I managed to get the suspension set to -1.5 degrees camber what kind of tire wear would I expect to see? Right now the car does not have a front sway bar, however I do have one (Addco) to install. I just need to find replacement bushings. If -1.5 is such a good number why didn't Triumph use that number? Will adding a sway bar up front make that much difference for a street use TR4? Living in Kentucky there are plenty of roads for me to test the various changes made to the front suspension! Coincidentally, while playing with tire pressures the other day I found that the gauge I had been using (one of those cheap sticks with the rod that pops out) was reading about 3 psi low. So when I thought I had 28 psi in the tires I only had 25. I didn't realize those sticks were that inaccurate. Using a digital gauge I've found that 32 psi seems to be a reasonable number. Thanks, Brad From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 2 12:00:38 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 20:00:38 +0200 Subject: [Fot] castor, camber, toe-in and all things mysterious In-Reply-To: <1341250168.23381072@mail.141.com> References: <1341250168.23381072@mail.141.com> Message-ID: <001001cd587c$977db780$c6792680$@com> When our cars were young they focused on easy steering. With positive camber the car has less forces on the steering wheel. You see even F1 cars with positive camber. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von brad.kahler at 141.com Gesendet: Montag, 2. Juli 2012 19:29 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] castor, camber, toe-in and all things mysterious Ok, The discussion recently on whether I might have a toe-in problem on my street TR4 raised a few other questions that Ibm guessing can be answered by the group. While doing a little research on the subject I found this interesting comment from Wikipedia, b Off-road vehicles such as agricultural tractors generally use positive camber.b Somehow this seemed appropriate, after all we are talking about cars with tractor engines :) Looking at the numbers used by Triumph for the various models: TR4 Caster = 3 deg + Camber = 2 deg + Toe-in = 1/8b Swivel pin = 7 deg TR4A/250 Caster = 2-3/4 deg + Camber = 1/2 deg + Toe-in = 1/16b Swivel pin = 8-1/2 deg TR6 Caster = 2-3/4 deg + Camber = 1/2 deg + Toe-in = 1/16b Swivel pin = 9 deg Ibm not sure what the Swivel pin reference means. Ibve not seen that term used before regarding the front suspension. >From reading the archives it seems the most common preference for camber is -1.5 degrees. Assuming I managed to get the suspension set to -1.5 degrees camber what kind of tire wear would I expect to see? Right now the car does not have a front sway bar, however I do have one (Addco) to install. I just need to find replacement bushings. If -1.5 is such a good number why didn't Triumph use that number? Will adding a sway bar up front make that much difference for a street use TR4? Living in Kentucky there are plenty of roads for me to test the various changes made to the front suspension! Coincidentally, while playing with tire pressures the other day I found that the gauge I had been using (one of those cheap sticks with the rod that pops out) was reading about 3 psi low. So when I thought I had 28 psi in the tires I only had 25. I didn't realize those sticks were that inaccurate. Using a digital gauge I've found that 32 psi seems to be a reasonable number. Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From Catpusher at aol.com Mon Jul 2 15:29:16 2012 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 17:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 Message-ID: <26cb6.786dbb1.3d236cac@aol.com> For road racing, weight high up and towards the front is the top priority. For TR2 & 3 vintage racers, the first 555 TR2s built had alloy bonnets and boot lids fitted as standard, so these have always been legal, if you can find them. I spent thousands of hours taking weight off our TR3, and with SCCA safety equipment, it was down to 1700 lbs. Many fuel cell regs. allow moving from the standard location, so it is a good example of moving required items to lower the CG and polar moment. Feel free to send a copy of your list. In terms of safety, there is no safer way to race than jumping into the lead and then extending it. TR Regards, Hardy From: "Barry Munson" To: Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 Message-ID: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Amici - As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: Engine - 61.0 lbs Chassis - 11.0 lbs Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will forward one immediately From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 16:59:29 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 17:59:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] castor, camber, toe-in and all things mysterious In-Reply-To: <1341250168.23381072@mail.141.com> References: <1341250168.23381072@mail.141.com> Message-ID: <43B5ECAE-7E24-4049-B38A-876386EA155C@gmail.com> Brad, I think "swivel pin" refers to the virtual kingpin inclination angle (note that the change from 2 deg + camber to 1/2 deg + between the TR4 and TR4a alters the swivel pin angle by 1-1/2 degree). That would be an imaginary line drawn through both the top and bottom swivel point, be it a trunnion or ball joint. 1.5 degrees negative should not drastically alter tire life on a street car. Note that addition of an anti-sway bar on the front, while it will cause the car to heel over less, it will also INCREASE understeer, and adding a heavier aftermarket bar will increase understeer even more. If you are trying to keep the body roll under control but didn't like the plowing sensation you were getting before, you might want to evaluate the benefit of adding a rear anti-sway bar also, which would counteract the understeer added in by the front anti-sway bar. Duncan (Texas) From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jul 2 12:18:01 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 11:18:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] castor, camber, toe-in and all things mysterious In-Reply-To: <1341250168.23381072@mail.141.com> References: <1341250168.23381072@mail.141.com> Message-ID: <03d001cd587f$04bb5850$0e3208f0$@rr.com> > Ib m not sure > what the Swivel pin reference means. Ib ve not seen that term used > before > regarding the front suspension. I believe it refers to the inclination of the steering axis towards the center of the car, more commonly called King Pin inclination (even though these suspensions don't have king pins). In other words, castor tips the axis from front to rear, while king pin/swivel pin tips it left or right. Triumph presumably used positive camber because it had "always been done that way". If I remember correctly, bias-ply tires either liked positive camber or didn't care as much; radials are more sensitive. And while I'll certainly agree that negative works better, the stock geometry isn't all that bad. > Will adding a sway bar > up front make that much difference for a street use TR4? It's easy enough to add, my suggestion is to try it for yourself. If you don't like it, take it off. I certainly miss it on my street TR3 (had to take it off when I put on the proper early front apron, as the bumper brackets are different and the bar mounts to those brackets). -- Randall From rfdeanes at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 05:47:50 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 07:47:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cool Video that I wish I had made! In-Reply-To: References: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <51E455C3-29EC-4C50-B81E-58AE2F5099E6@comcast.net> Message-ID: That was very good and truely some work on both ends...video and building the motor...great music to go with the work. On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:43 PM, MARKANDGLENDA PENDERGRASS < mpendy at dishmail.net> wrote: > Now that was truely a piece of artwork!!!...........thanks > MJP > > On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Steven Groh wrote: > > > Love it!!! > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 29, 2012, at 4:19 PM, steve wrote: > > > > > http://youtu.be/daVDrGsaDME > > > > > > ~STEVE > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1 at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jul 3 10:03:24 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:03:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 In-Reply-To: <26cb6.786dbb1.3d236cac@aol.com> References: <26cb6.786dbb1.3d236cac@aol.com> Message-ID: What do you do about the 1950 Lb. mim. Weight requirement followed by SVRA and most of the other groups with which I race??? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Catpusher at aol.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 5:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 For road racing, weight high up and towards the front is the top priority. For TR2 & 3 vintage racers, the first 555 TR2s built had alloy bonnets and boot lids fitted as standard, so these have always been legal, if you can find them. I spent thousands of hours taking weight off our TR3, and with SCCA safety equipment, it was down to 1700 lbs. Many fuel cell regs. allow moving from the standard location, so it is a good example of moving required items to lower the CG and polar moment. Feel free to send a copy of your list. In terms of safety, there is no safer way to race than jumping into the lead and then extending it. TR Regards, Hardy From: "Barry Munson" To: Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 Message-ID: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Amici - As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: Engine - 61.0 lbs Chassis - 11.0 lbs Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will forward one immediately _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 3 10:12:26 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 18:12:26 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 In-Reply-To: References: <26cb6.786dbb1.3d236cac@aol.com> Message-ID: <003501cd5936$a447b000$ecd71000$@com> As we build up our own rules be independent from FIA historic we are allowed to run 1714 lbs for a TR 4. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von john hasty Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Juli 2012 18:03 An: Catpusher at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 What do you do about the 1950 Lb. mim. Weight requirement followed by SVRA and most of the other groups with which I race??? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Catpusher at aol.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 5:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 For road racing, weight high up and towards the front is the top priority. For TR2 & 3 vintage racers, the first 555 TR2s built had alloy bonnets and boot lids fitted as standard, so these have always been legal, if you can find them. I spent thousands of hours taking weight off our TR3, and with SCCA safety equipment, it was down to 1700 lbs. Many fuel cell regs. allow moving from the standard location, so it is a good example of moving required items to lower the CG and polar moment. Feel free to send a copy of your list. In terms of safety, there is no safer way to race than jumping into the lead and then extending it. TR Regards, Hardy From: "Barry Munson" To: Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 Message-ID: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Amici - As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: Engine - 61.0 lbs Chassis - 11.0 lbs Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will forward one immediately _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From gp89 at charter.net Tue Jul 3 11:09:59 2012 From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 13:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spring cleaning Message-ID: <16d05984.a6aed.1384dd1ed97.Webtop.43@charter.net> With the temps heading near 100 in southern Wi. it didn't seem like a good idea to be painting outside. Since the shop has a.c. cleaning up a little sounds like a better idea. Before I put some items on ebay I thought someone here might be interested. I have an early Spit differential with 4:55 gears. It is welded but has some light damage to the pinion. It still turns easy. I will include a n.o.s. ring and pinion. Next is a Stahl header for an 1147 Spit light surface rust but in good condition. To help loose some weight you can't shake I have an aluminum bell housing. It is the thick ribbed one. This is also very good, it is notched for the Stahl header. I also have a couple of de-arched rear springs. I live a little north of Blackhawk farms if that helps. Contact me off list for details. Jeff Senty From jason at multivintage.com Tue Jul 3 11:12:09 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:12:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mitty Articles Message-ID: Hey Guys and Gals. Happy Independence Day. Perhaps your tired of hearing about the Kastner Cup and the Mitty, but here is a link to my clubs latest newsletter. There are two rather detailed articles about that weekend. One is by my friend and racing buddy from his perspective about our group and the trip. (pretty long) Mine is a little shorter.... and there's lots of cool photos, thanks to some Fot'ers for pictures of my car from the same spot 40 years apart! Check out the online mag "The Rod Knock" you'll find them in there http://nsscc.org/files/rod_knock/RK2012Jun.pdf Have a good 4th! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jul 3 20:19:36 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 21:19:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 In-Reply-To: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> References: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Message-ID: <4FF3A838.3040803@pobox.com> The previous owner of my TR3 (now John Hasty's) cut out the entire spare tire carrier sheet metal when he installed a fuel cell. That was a lot of sheet metal and weight removed. The car weighed about 1925 lbs even though it had some other heavy components on it. As with most POs he did the job very poorly and removed all the structural integrity also, but I was able to redo it to give structural integrity along with the weight reduction. Don't really know whether it was legal, except that most organization want it to weigh 2000 lbs. Larry On 7/1/2012 6:01 PM, Barry Munson wrote: > Amici - > > As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process > from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of > the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of > weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the > weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the > majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either > safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the > addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing > the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What > I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for > stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of > the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I > have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring > bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has > been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. > > The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: > > Engine - 61.0 lbs > > Chassis - 11.0 lbs > > Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the > components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. > > > > I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this > reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net > therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will > forward one immediately. I can also supply the source and cost for any of > the components. I have checked the archives for such a compilation and > couldn't find one - that doesn't necessarily mean that it's not there.. > > > > Barry. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From bkahler1 at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 09:33:27 2012 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 11:33:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] test Message-ID: Just changing emails From donmarshall at nefcom.net Wed Jul 4 10:30:35 2012 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 12:30:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 kit In-Reply-To: References: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E09453D37397DD3@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> Message-ID: > I have a '75 TR6 body, frame and engine (disassembled) for sale. If > anyone is looking to build a TR6 vintage race car this would be an > excellent start. See details below. Also, it would be a very good > replacement for a rusted out restoration project. $2,500 for everything. > > ** ** > > The body was stripped and painted about 15 years ago, and has been in > storage since. The floors were replaced but not finish painted inside so > there's a little very minor surface rust. I have receipts for about $6,000 > that was spent on the body and paint alone. It looks really good for a race > car or even as a replacement for someone's rusted out TR6 street car. > There's one small area of rust at the bottom of the rear valance and a few > scratches from being moved around on dollies, but otherwise the body is > very good. The body is off the frame right now. I'll have to put it back > to roll it onto someone's trailer.**** > > ** ** > > The frame appears to be solid, and was adapted for tube shocks on the > rear, but I'm not sure which version. There has been some work done where > the trailing arms are attached to reinforce that area.**** > > ** ** > > The engine has been disassembled and the transmission is non-overdrive > (condition unknown). I will include a spare disassembled engine (minus the > head and carbs), plus an extra frame that needs lots of work plus whatever > other TR6 stuff I have. There may be missing pieces that won't matter to a > race car or would be available from another TR6 that someone is replacing > the body on. The car is located in northeast Florida, near Jacksonville. > Don Marshall 904-259-9668 if you have any questions. You can see pictures > of the body at > https://picasaweb.google.com/107929701240347359715?authkey=Gv1sRgCLvKw9CS_ai29AE > **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Jul 4 15:21:54 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 17:21:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace Message-ID: <4FF4B3F2.2020000@cfl.rr.com> I recall someone mentioned making the brace between the spring turrets adjustable or knew someone selling them made up. Anyone help appreciated. Bob TR3 in progress. From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 4 19:49:09 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 21:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace ADJUSTABLE ALUMINUM CAMBER CONTROL ROD. In-Reply-To: <4FF4B3F2.2020000@cfl.rr.com> References: <4FF4B3F2.2020000@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <8CF2867811CD070-132C-2343B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> Bob, et.al. We have the design in place to produce them and have the prototypes on the TR4 #197 and the AMBRO. And they have been on there for several years. If there was enough interest and advance orders, maybe we could talk Sean into doing a production run. There is some adjustability available...Kas says he did this by cutting a section out and rewelding. These are anodized aluminum tubes with heim joints and set up for easy removal to clear the engine block. Nice looking piece, too. Sean was mulling over the design so it would fit street cars and clear the fan. That's where the project stalled out. Let me know your interest and I will make a plea to SEAN. 10 POSITVE RESPONSES might do it. I was estimating about $100 retail for a ready to install kit. I think there are a couple pictures on photobucket.com/ambro Thanks for the inquiry Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Davis To: fot Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2012 8:18 pm Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace I recall someone mentioned making the brace between the spring turrets adjustable or knew someone selling them made up. Anyone help appreciated. Bob TR3 in progress. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 4 20:00:38 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 22:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace ADJUSTABLE ALUMINUM CAMBER CONTROL ROD. In-Reply-To: <8CF2867811CD070-132C-2343B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> References: <4FF4B3F2.2020000@cfl.rr.com> <8CF2867811CD070-132C-2343B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF28691B918910-132C-234C3@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> The pictures ARE on photobucket.com/ambro. There are four pictures The computer generated drawing is more representative of the final bracket design. And Sean has run of few of those, but needs to make a couple minor change to be production ready. We could likely run 25 kits in production and still be cost effective with it. Let us know if there is an interest. Otherwise, the project will remain dormant Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: rdavis4 ; fot Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2012 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace ADJUSTABLE ALUMINUM CAMBER CONTROL ROD. Bob, et.al. We have the design in place to produce them and have the prototypes on the TR4 #197 and the AMBRO. And they have been on there for several years. If there was enough interest and advance orders, maybe we could talk Sean into doing a production run. There is some adjustability available...Kas says he did this by cutting a section out and rewelding. These are anodized aluminum tubes with heim joints and set up for easy removal to clear the engine block. Nice looking piece, too. Sean was mulling over the design so it would fit street cars and clear the fan. That's where the project stalled out. Let me know your interest and I will make a plea to SEAN. 10 POSITVE RESPONSES might do it. I was estimating about $100 retail for a ready to install kit. I think there are a couple pictures on photobucket.com/ambro Thanks for the inquiry Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Davis To: fot Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2012 8:18 pm Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace I recall someone mentioned making the brace between the spring turrets adjustable or knew someone selling them made up. Anyone help appreciated. Bob TR3 in progress. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Jul 4 20:10:25 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 22:10:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace ADJUSTABLE ALUMINUM CAMBER CONTROL ROD. In-Reply-To: <8CF2867811CD070-132C-2343B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> References: <4FF4B3F2.2020000@cfl.rr.com> <8CF2867811CD070-132C-2343B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4FF4F791.5060908@cfl.rr.com> Count me in if it fits a TR3 frame. Bob On 7/4/12 9:49 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Bob, et.al. > > We have the design in place to produce them and have the prototypes on > the TR4 #197 and the AMBRO. And they have been on there for several years. > > If there was enough interest and advance orders, maybe we could talk > Sean into doing a production run. > > There is some adjustability available...Kas says he did this by > cutting a section out and rewelding. > > These are anodized aluminum tubes with heim joints and set up for easy > removal to clear the engine block. > > Nice looking piece, too. > > Sean was mulling over the design so it would fit street cars and clear > the fan. That's where the project stalled out. Let me know your > interest and I will make a plea to SEAN. 10 POSITVE RESPONSES might > do it. > > I was estimating about $100 retail for a ready to install kit. I > think there are a couple pictures on photobucket.com/ambro > > Thanks for the inquiry > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Davis > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2012 8:18 pm > Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace > > I recall someone mentioned making the brace between the spring turrets > adjustable or knew someone selling them made up. Anyone help appreciated. > > Bob > TR3 in progress. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive:http://www.team.net/archive > Forums:http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jul 4 22:07:26 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 21:07:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace ADJUSTABLE ALUMINUM CAMBER CONTROL ROD. In-Reply-To: <4FF4F791.5060908@cfl.rr.com> References: <4FF4B3F2.2020000@cfl.rr.com><8CF2867811CD070-132C-2343B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> <4FF4F791.5060908@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <028101cd5a63$b028d2e0$0601a8c0@randall> > Count me in if it fits a TR3 frame. Me too. But I think the TR3 is at least an inch or two narrower at that point, so it would take quite a bit of range to cover both. -- Randall From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jul 5 06:18:21 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 08:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace ADJUSTABLE ALUMINUM CAMBER CONTROL ROD. In-Reply-To: <028101cd5a63$b028d2e0$0601a8c0@randall> References: <4FF4B3F2.2020000@cfl.rr.com><8CF2867811CD070-132C-2343B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> <4FF4F791.5060908@cfl.rr.com> <028101cd5a63$b028d2e0$0601a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <8CF28BF661C5E6B-9D0-2578F@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> There would be two lengths of threaded tubes, one for TR3 and one for TR4. After that there are differences with the bolt patterns of the mounting brackets. The biggest obstacle is moving it up in priorities for the initial production run. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: 'Joe Alexander' Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2012 11:07 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace ADJUSTABLE ALUMINUM CAMBER CONTROL ROD. > Count me in if it fits a TR3 frame. Me too. But I think the TR3 is at least an inch or two narrower at that point, so it would take quite a bit of range to cover both. -- Randall From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 06:37:45 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 07:37:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Texas TR engine/trans Message-ID: <54CE5235-7899-4804-930E-3EAEEF86EEB0@gmail.com> Hi guys -- Kramer and Blake types might want to check this out -- a TR engine block and transmission (probably a non-synchro first gear, TR3 transmission but he doesn't say) in South Padre. Block and transmission plus engine stand for $250 -- but no head and no crankshaft. Duncan From fpspitfire at comcast.net Thu Jul 5 11:20:43 2012 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (Aaron Johnson) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 13:20:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Needed: right front headlight surround for mk4/1500 Message-ID: <69FF1E5C-BCBC-436D-82DC-7749F9827EA5@comcast.net> I need a right side aluminium headlight surround from a 1500 or mk4. I broke mine in the altercation with a miata. Something close to Illinois would be good. Next day air better :) Aaron From triosan at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 12:22:47 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 11:22:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mitty Articles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks JAson, great articles and pictures by both of you. I especially enjoyed the comparison pictures of your car over a 40 year time span -- same color, same turn! On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Hey Guys and Gals. > Happy Independence Day. > Perhaps your tired of hearing about the Kastner Cup and the Mitty, but here > is a link to my clubs latest newsletter. There are two rather detailed > articles about that weekend. > One is by my friend and racing buddy from his perspective about our group > and the trip. (pretty long) > Mine is a little shorter.... and there's lots of cool photos, thanks to > some Fot'ers for pictures of my car from the same spot 40 years apart! > > Check out the online mag "The Rod Knock" you'll find them in there > http://nsscc.org/files/rod_knock/RK2012Jun.pdf > > Have a good 4th! > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From jhd11 at hotmail.com Fri Jul 6 07:46:52 2012 From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 13:46:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car Message-ID: Not Triumph related but please be on the lookout for my stolen MG Midget race car. Car is a full race EMRA/SCCA car with a full cage and a 1275 engine. A distinguishing feature is an add on bar to the rear hoop for a previous taller driver. Car is yellow (or was!). Also taken was my single axle trailer. Trailer was green/aqua with a tire rack and storage box on the front. The doors were taken off the storage shed and both trailer and car were stolen. Thanks in advance. Joe Downer Charlotte, N.C. 800-332-2486 From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue Jul 3 10:16:54 2012 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 Message-ID: <518c.24422c00.3d2474f6@aol.com> That's where you get to put the ballast where your corner weights are asking for it. In a message dated 7/3/2012 9:06:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: What do you do about the 1950 Lb. mim. Weight requirement followed by SVRA and most of the other groups with which I race??? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Catpusher at aol.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 5:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 For road racing, weight high up and towards the front is the top priority. For TR2 & 3 vintage racers, the first 555 TR2s built had alloy bonnets and boot lids fitted as standard, so these have always been legal, if you can find them. I spent thousands of hours taking weight off our TR3, and with SCCA safety equipment, it was down to 1700 lbs. Many fuel cell regs. allow moving from the standard location, so it is a good example of moving required items to lower the CG and polar moment. Feel free to send a copy of your list. In terms of safety, there is no safer way to race than jumping into the lead and then extending it. TR Regards, Hardy From: "Barry Munson" To: Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 Message-ID: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Amici - As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: Engine - 61.0 lbs Chassis - 11.0 lbs Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will forward one immediately _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Jul 6 07:15:42 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 09:15:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hacked email address book Message-ID: Somebody hacked into my email this morning and sent a link out to everybody in my contacts. If you got an email from me with a link but no text PLEASE do not open it. I apologize for the inconvenience. I am working on fixing the issue. Marty Sukey From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Fri Jul 6 20:45:05 2012 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 19:45:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 HS 6 hesitation questions from the Portland Historic race Message-ID: Maybe the collective FOT Group might have some thoughts. I am having what appears to be a loading of one of the Carbs. I have a lot of triumph brain trust around me. It only happens in medium speed left handers (coming out of the chicagne and turn 6. I had a similar problem in Seattle last week. Although I didn't have problems in other left hand turns there. So what have I done. Checked the floats and float needles. All good Checked float needles. Set fine. I run trans fluid in the dampners ( my dyno guy wants me to) I found the levels to be waydifferent - corrected that for tomorrow. Jeff Quick found a frayed wire in the distributor. Replaced Fuel pressure 2.7psi Any other thoughts? Runs great down the straights and fine in right handers. Thanks. Mike. Sent from my Kindle Fire From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jul 7 04:56:17 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:56:17 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen 14.-15. July In-Reply-To: References: <26cb6.786dbb1.3d236cac@aol.com>, , , , <003501cd5936$a447b000$ecd71000$@com>, , <349508849-1341353763-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-490059023-@b18.c2.bise7.blackberry> , <003101cd5a1a$30c57970$92506c50$@com> , <000c01cd5b9b$069e2b60$13da8220$@com> , <000601cd5bb3$9d441210$d7cc3630$@com> Message-ID: <000c01cd5c2f$23bc1740$6b3445c0$@com> I'm preparing for a stressing race event at Assen.....a smooth and fast track in the north of the Netherlands. 5 races I'll do. 3 with Triumph Competition and two with the Morgan guys. I'll compete in a Morgan 4-cylinder race against Morgan SLR and such cars with drivers like Keith Ahlers. Will be my first try on Dunlop racing tires which will qualify me for the rear part of the grid I suppose. Cheers Chris From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sat Jul 7 06:16:36 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 07:16:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Assen 14.-15. July In-Reply-To: <000c01cd5c2f$23bc1740$6b3445c0$@com> References: <26cb6.786dbb1.3d236cac@aol.com>, , , , <003501cd5936$a447b000$ecd71000$@com>, , <349508849-1341353763-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-490059023-@b18.c2.bise7.blackberry> , <003101cd5a1a$30c57970$92506c50$@com> , <000c01cd5b9b$069e2b60$13da8220$@com> , <000601cd5bb3$9d441210$d7cc3630$@com> <000c01cd5c2f$23bc1740$6b3445c0$@com> Message-ID: Keith's pretty fast from what I can tell. Will TOK 258, the LeMans class winning Morgan from 1962, be there also? I've lost track of who owns it now. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 Red #6 On Jul 7, 2012, at 5:56 AM, MadMarx wrote: > I'm preparing for a stressing race event at Assen.....a smooth and fast > track in the north of the Netherlands. > > 5 races I'll do. 3 with Triumph Competition and two with the Morgan guys. > > I'll compete in a Morgan 4-cylinder race against Morgan SLR and such cars > with drivers like Keith Ahlers. > > Will be my first try on Dunlop racing tires which will qualify me for the > rear part of the grid I suppose. > > Cheers > Chris From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jul 7 07:16:37 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 09:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" KAS KASTNER & THE TRIUMPH USA COMPETITIONS DEPARTMENT Message-ID: <8CF2A59DF8B7477-E48-38644@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> CALIFORNIA AIR is an extraordinary documentary on our competition Triumphs ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------- This is a professionally done DVD production with Kas Kastner telling us of his years with TRIUMPH. There's significant archival pictures and film footage contained within, along with extensive interviews with Kas Kastner, but it is liberally wrapped around the 10th Running of the KASTNER CUP at ROAD ATLANTA. Find out how the TRIUMPH FACTORY discovered the reality of KASTNER'S "CALIFORNIA AIR". Listen to first hand accounts of the attention to detail that made TRIUMPHS winners in the 60s If you entered THE MITTY, see your TRIUMPH in the paddock, on the grid, and at speed on the track. And of course you will see the Presentation of the Kastner Cup, as well as the long awaited reunion of Kas Kastner & Bob Tullius. Advance copies are being made available to the FOT through the producer, John Clancy of the UK. If you are interested in a copy of this historically significant DVD, please respond to me and I will provide the necessary information, including a picture of the DVD cover. You will find the picture on the DVD CASE an artistic achievement on it's own. Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sat Jul 7 10:02:57 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 12:02:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" KAS KASTNER & THE TRIUMPH USA COMPETITIONS DEPARTMENT References: <8CF2A59DF8B7477-E48-38644@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2241DE28CF7E4ED5B40E5AD8FC84EAE1@owner8914bbf7f> Joe, sign me up for one. I'm headed to BeaveRun next weekend; anyone else going? I finally got my lift in and it works great. No more rolling around on the floor! Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" KAS KASTNER & THE TRIUMPH USA COMPETITIONS DEPARTMENT > CALIFORNIA AIR is an extraordinary documentary on our competition > Triumphs > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------- > > This is a professionally done DVD production with Kas Kastner telling us > of > his years with TRIUMPH. > > There's significant archival pictures and film footage contained within, > along > with extensive interviews with Kas Kastner, but it is liberally wrapped > around > the 10th Running of the KASTNER CUP at ROAD ATLANTA. > > Find out how the TRIUMPH FACTORY discovered the reality of KASTNER'S > "CALIFORNIA AIR". > > Listen to first hand accounts of the attention to detail that made > TRIUMPHS > winners in the 60s > > If you entered THE MITTY, see your TRIUMPH in the paddock, on the grid, > and at > speed on the track. > > And of course you will see the Presentation of the Kastner Cup, as well as > the > long awaited reunion of Kas Kastner & Bob Tullius. > > Advance copies are being made available to the FOT through the producer, > John > Clancy of the UK. > > If you are interested in a copy of this historically significant DVD, > please > respond to me and I will provide the necessary information, including a > picture of the DVD cover. > > You will find the picture on the DVD CASE an artistic achievement on it's > own. > > > > > Joe Alexander > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jul 7 10:13:02 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FACEBOOK DVD INSERT PICTURE POSTED Message-ID: <8CF2A7284893B03-E48-3902F@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> If you are on FACEBOOK: JOSEPH H ALEXANDER FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH Both of those locations will show you the full insert on the DVD...Take note of some of the folks seen on it. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Jul 7 10:51:14 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:51:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 HS 6 hesitation questions from the Portland Historic race In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike. I think you have just confirmed that you have all of the benefits offered by Skinners Union. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 6, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > Maybe the collective FOT Group might have some thoughts. > > I am having what appears to be a loading of one of the Carbs. I have a lot of triumph brain trust around me. It only happens in medium speed left handers (coming out of the chicagne and turn 6. I had a similar problem in Seattle last week. Although I didn't have problems in other left hand turns there. > So what have I done. > Checked the floats and float needles. All good > Checked float needles. Set fine. > I run trans fluid in the dampners ( my dyno guy wants me to) I found the levels to be waydifferent - corrected that for tomorrow. > Jeff Quick found a frayed wire in the distributor. Replaced > Fuel pressure 2.7psi > > Any other thoughts? > > Runs great down the straights and fine in right handers. > > Thanks. > > Mike. > > Sent from my Kindle Fire > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Jul 7 11:33:44 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 13:33:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" KAS KASTNER & THE TRIUMPH USA COMPETITIONS DEPARTMENT In-Reply-To: <2241DE28CF7E4ED5B40E5AD8FC84EAE1@owner8914bbf7f> References: <8CF2A59DF8B7477-E48-38644@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com>, <2241DE28CF7E4ED5B40E5AD8FC84EAE1@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: I'll be there Friday for sure. Possibly Sunday. Just spectating of course so you wont need your air horns. Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net > To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:02:57 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" KAS KASTNER & THE TRIUMPH USA COMPETITIONS DEPARTMENT > > Joe, sign me up for one. > I'm headed to BeaveRun next weekend; anyone else going? > I finally got my lift in and it works great. No more rolling around on the > floor! > Cheers, Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Alexander" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 9:16 AM > Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" KAS KASTNER & THE TRIUMPH USA COMPETITIONS > DEPARTMENT > > > > CALIFORNIA AIR is an extraordinary documentary on our competition > > Triumphs > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------- > > > > This is a professionally done DVD production with Kas Kastner telling us > > of > > his years with TRIUMPH. > > > > There's significant archival pictures and film footage contained within, > > along > > with extensive interviews with Kas Kastner, but it is liberally wrapped > > around > > the 10th Running of the KASTNER CUP at ROAD ATLANTA. > > > > Find out how the TRIUMPH FACTORY discovered the reality of KASTNER'S > > "CALIFORNIA AIR". > > > > Listen to first hand accounts of the attention to detail that made > > TRIUMPHS > > winners in the 60s > > > > If you entered THE MITTY, see your TRIUMPH in the paddock, on the grid, > > and at > > speed on the track. > > > > And of course you will see the Presentation of the Kastner Cup, as well as > > the > > long awaited reunion of Kas Kastner & Bob Tullius. > > > > Advance copies are being made available to the FOT through the producer, > > John > > Clancy of the UK. > > > > If you are interested in a copy of this historically significant DVD, > > please > > respond to me and I will provide the necessary information, including a > > picture of the DVD cover. > > > > You will find the picture on the DVD CASE an artistic achievement on it's > > own. > > > > > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jul 7 12:11:57 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 14:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" ORDER DETAILS FOR THE FOT Message-ID: <8CF2A83218BC1D7-E48-3A2B4@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH I knew something special was happening when Kas brought John Clancy by at THE MITTY. But didnt know the extent of it until I got a package from the U.K. CALIFORNIA AIR......... $28 IN NORTH AMERICA, including packaging and shipping. PAYMENT BY PAYPAL OR PERSONAL CHECK PAYPAL = N197TR4 at CS.COM or USD to address below. DVD insert picture posted to my FB and will attempt to post with link...not sure how to do that. yet Discs are being posted Today or Monday from the UK I will be doing an EXCEL SPREADSHEET to keep track of this. I will be doing final assembly of the insert to the case and then seal the case and then package and label. So I am saying that shipping will start 1 August 2012, although surely it will be before that. This is an exceptional piece...it's fascinating getting the scoop from the guy who made it happen with the TRIUMPH FACTORY. No hearsay here. And then it all gets wrapped around archival pictures, other interviews, and the 10th Running of The Kastner Cup at ROAD ATLANTA. Thanks John Clancy. Best Regards, Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sat Jul 7 16:01:15 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 17:01:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 HS 6 hesitation questions from the Portland Historic race In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <100F454E-AEC3-41A3-8300-7B8342696AEC@gmail.com> Mike, You didn't mention whether you have the float bowl tops that hinge the float at the front so that left/right turns don't affect fuel level. Does it matter what rpm range you've been in just prior to the occurrence? Duncan (Texas) On Jul 6, 2012, at 9:45 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > Maybe the collective FOT Group might have some thoughts. > > I am having what appears to be a loading of one of the Carbs. I have a lot of triumph brain trust around me. It only happens in medium speed left handers (coming out of the chicagne and turn 6. I had a similar problem in Seattle last week. Although I didn't have problems in other left hand turns there. > So what have I done. > Checked the floats and float needles. All good > Checked float needles. Set fine. > I run trans fluid in the dampners ( my dyno guy wants me to) I found the levels to be waydifferent - corrected that for tomorrow. > Jeff Quick found a frayed wire in the distributor. Replaced > Fuel pressure 2.7psi > > Any other thoughts? > > Runs great down the straights and fine in right handers. > > Thanks. > > Mike. > > Sent from my Kindle Fire > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Jul 7 17:06:02 2012 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 19:06:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 HS 6 hesitation questions from the Portland Historic race In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: go to: http://www.mgexperience.net/archive/1_3_4_Carb_question/1595231 And scroll down to "November 29, 2010 13:48:32" I think you'll have your answer. --Justin Wagner On Jul 6, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > Maybe the collective FOT Group might have some thoughts. > > I am having what appears to be a loading of one of the Carbs. I have a lot of triumph brain trust around me. It only happens in medium speed left handers (coming out of the chicagne and turn 6. I had a similar problem in Seattle last week. Although I didn't have problems in other left hand turns there. > So what have I done. > Checked the floats and float needles. All good > Checked float needles. Set fine. > I run trans fluid in the dampners ( my dyno guy wants me to) I found the levels to be waydifferent - corrected that for tomorrow. > Jeff Quick found a frayed wire in the distributor. Replaced > Fuel pressure 2.7psi > > Any other thoughts? > > Runs great down the straights and fine in right handers. > > Thanks. > > Mike. > > Sent from my Kindle Fire > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Jul 7 17:18:36 2012 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 19:18:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 HS 6 hesitation questions from the Portland Historic race In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90859BBC-AA45-46A4-A228-36E59231D294@greenheart.com> Also... Any opinion on these gizmos? http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=48222 On Jul 6, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > Maybe the collective FOT Group might have some thoughts. > > I am having what appears to be a loading of one of the Carbs. I have a lot of triumph brain trust around me. It only happens in medium speed left handers (coming out of the chicagne and turn 6. I had a similar problem in Seattle last week. Although I didn't have problems in other left hand turns there. > So what have I done. > Checked the floats and float needles. All good > Checked float needles. Set fine. > I run trans fluid in the dampners ( my dyno guy wants me to) I found the levels to be waydifferent - corrected that for tomorrow. > Jeff Quick found a frayed wire in the distributor. Replaced > Fuel pressure 2.7psi > > Any other thoughts? > > Runs great down the straights and fine in right handers. > > Thanks. > > Mike. > > Sent from my Kindle Fire > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com From bkahler1 at gmail.com Sat Jul 7 18:56:18 2012 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 20:56:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) Message-ID: The old adage: "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" 1) Zero turn mower stopped running because we thought it was out of gas 2) Filled the tank and it wouldn't start 3) Battery runs down from cranking without starting 4) Used truck with jumper cables to try and start with no success 5) Towed mower back to shop (ever try to tow a hydraulic powered zero turn mower when it isn't running? Hint, it's not easy!) 6) Pulled spark plug and verified there was spark, that means its fuel related 7) Pulled fuel line from carburetor and verified flow coming from fuel pump - there was 8) As a test used different electric pump feeding from gas can and still no start 9) Replaced fuel filter just for the heck of it. 10) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to carburetor for removal and rebuild 11) Rebuilt carburetor and also verified fuel shutoff solenoid was functional and re-installed 12) Replaced alternator coil under flywheel while radiator and fan were out of the way 13) Reassembled everything 14) Still doesn't want to start 15) Re-verified that electric fuel pump is pumping fuel - it was 16) As a test I again used a different electric pump feeding from gas can and still no start 17) Decided there must be something wrong with fuel shutoff solenoid 18) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to fuel shutoff solenoid 19) Found only 1.4 vdc at solenoid - figured this was the problem 20) Tracing wire back and found that it comes out of the voltage regulator 21) Assumed voltage regulator was bad and prepared to order replacement 22) Before ordering I had a hunch. My hunch was to check out all of the wiring. I found the connector between the motor and the mower harness was deteriorating and crumbling. This allowed the wire going to the fuel shutoff solenoid to slip out of its socket and was only barely making contact which accounted for the 1.4 vdc. The wire that fed the ignition coil in that same plastic connector was still making contact which is why the spark plugs had spark. All of the symptoms pointed to a fuel flow problem and when you get down to the root cause there was no fuel flow, unfortunately it was because of an electrical problem. When it was all said and done, the mower had not run out of gas and the carburetor didn't need to be rebuilt. I did need to replace the alternator coil under the flywheel so at some point I was going to have to pull the radiator and fan assemblies to do that so not all was lost. So getting back to the very first sentence. The old adage "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" appears to have merit. I hope your Saturday went better than mind did :) Brad From bownes at seiri.com Sat Jul 7 19:25:55 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 21:25:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9BA39946-3998-4545-ABC0-6F62ADB79AB7@seiri.com> Carburetor is French for "leave it alone"! On Jul 7, 2012, at 20:56, Brad Kahler wrote: > The old adage: "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" > > 1) Zero turn mower stopped running because we thought it was out of gas > 2) Filled the tank and it wouldn't start > 3) Battery runs down from cranking without starting > 4) Used truck with jumper cables to try and start with no success > 5) Towed mower back to shop (ever try to tow a hydraulic powered > zero turn mower when it isn't running? Hint, it's not easy!) > 6) Pulled spark plug and verified there was spark, that means its fuel related > 7) Pulled fuel line from carburetor and verified flow coming from > fuel pump - there was > 8) As a test used different electric pump feeding from gas can and > still no start > 9) Replaced fuel filter just for the heck of it. > 10) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to carburetor for > removal and rebuild > 11) Rebuilt carburetor and also verified fuel shutoff solenoid was > functional and re-installed > 12) Replaced alternator coil under flywheel while radiator and fan > were out of the way > 13) Reassembled everything > 14) Still doesn't want to start > 15) Re-verified that electric fuel pump is pumping fuel - it was > 16) As a test I again used a different electric pump feeding from gas > can and still no start > 17) Decided there must be something wrong with fuel shutoff solenoid > 18) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to fuel shutoff solenoid > 19) Found only 1.4 vdc at solenoid - figured this was the problem > 20) Tracing wire back and found that it comes out of the voltage regulator > 21) Assumed voltage regulator was bad and prepared to order replacement > 22) Before ordering I had a hunch. > > My hunch was to check out all of the wiring. I found the connector > between the motor and the mower harness was deteriorating and > crumbling. This allowed the wire going to the fuel shutoff solenoid > to slip out of its socket and was only barely making contact which > accounted for the 1.4 vdc. The wire that fed the ignition coil in > that same plastic connector was still making contact which is why the > spark plugs had spark. All of the symptoms pointed to a fuel flow > problem and when you get down to the root cause there was no fuel > flow, unfortunately it was because of an electrical problem. > > When it was all said and done, the mower had not run out of gas and > the carburetor didn't need to be rebuilt. I did need to replace the > alternator coil under the flywheel so at some point I was going to > have to pull the radiator and fan assemblies to do that so not all was > lost. > > So getting back to the very first sentence. The old adage "Most > carburetor problems are electrical in nature" appears to have merit. > > I hope your Saturday went better than mind did :) > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jul 7 19:44:30 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 18:44:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) References: Message-ID: <4214A27F80A34D60A4171BCB685BA38C@Bud> if you have a distributor, the insulator on the post that holds the spring could have a hairline crack..not easily visible..it will act up sporadicaly...it drove me crazy on a tr6 until a piece of the insulatorflew into the air while i was staring at the dist. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 5:56 PM Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) > The old adage: "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" > > 1) Zero turn mower stopped running because we thought it was out of gas > 2) Filled the tank and it wouldn't start > 3) Battery runs down from cranking without starting > 4) Used truck with jumper cables to try and start with no success > 5) Towed mower back to shop (ever try to tow a hydraulic powered > zero turn mower when it isn't running? Hint, it's not easy!) > 6) Pulled spark plug and verified there was spark, that means its fuel > related > 7) Pulled fuel line from carburetor and verified flow coming from > fuel pump - there was > 8) As a test used different electric pump feeding from gas can and > still no start > 9) Replaced fuel filter just for the heck of it. > 10) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to carburetor for > removal and rebuild > 11) Rebuilt carburetor and also verified fuel shutoff solenoid was > functional and re-installed > 12) Replaced alternator coil under flywheel while radiator and fan > were out of the way > 13) Reassembled everything > 14) Still doesn't want to start > 15) Re-verified that electric fuel pump is pumping fuel - it was > 16) As a test I again used a different electric pump feeding from gas > can and still no start > 17) Decided there must be something wrong with fuel shutoff solenoid > 18) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to fuel shutoff > solenoid > 19) Found only 1.4 vdc at solenoid - figured this was the problem > 20) Tracing wire back and found that it comes out of the voltage regulator > 21) Assumed voltage regulator was bad and prepared to order replacement > 22) Before ordering I had a hunch. > > My hunch was to check out all of the wiring. I found the connector > between the motor and the mower harness was deteriorating and > crumbling. This allowed the wire going to the fuel shutoff solenoid > to slip out of its socket and was only barely making contact which > accounted for the 1.4 vdc. The wire that fed the ignition coil in > that same plastic connector was still making contact which is why the > spark plugs had spark. All of the symptoms pointed to a fuel flow > problem and when you get down to the root cause there was no fuel > flow, unfortunately it was because of an electrical problem. > > When it was all said and done, the mower had not run out of gas and > the carburetor didn't need to be rebuilt. I did need to replace the > alternator coil under the flywheel so at some point I was going to > have to pull the radiator and fan assemblies to do that so not all was > lost. > > So getting back to the very first sentence. The old adage "Most > carburetor problems are electrical in nature" appears to have merit. > > I hope your Saturday went better than mind did :) > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sat Jul 7 20:06:11 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 22:06:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) In-Reply-To: <9BA39946-3998-4545-ABC0-6F62ADB79AB7@seiri.com> References: <9BA39946-3998-4545-ABC0-6F62ADB79AB7@seiri.com> Message-ID: That is so damn funny. LMAO. thanks I needed that! My street GT6 has bumbled and popped to a complete stall at the side of the road 3 times this week, twice today an I've tried the obvious, found what looked to be the problem. When I replaced the fuel filter I noticed the intake fitting on the mechanical pump was very loose so tightened it down and smiled. Seemed better briefly then engine miss-fire continued sporadically then quit again completely100 miles later. Back to the garage for some late night fun I guess. At least it brought me home. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-07, at 9:54 PM, "Bob Bownes -Seiri" wrote: > Carburetor is French for "leave it alone"! > > > > On Jul 7, 2012, at 20:56, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> The old adage: "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" >> >> 1) Zero turn mower stopped running because we thought it was out of gas >> 2) Filled the tank and it wouldn't start >> 3) Battery runs down from cranking without starting >> 4) Used truck with jumper cables to try and start with no success >> 5) Towed mower back to shop (ever try to tow a hydraulic powered >> zero turn mower when it isn't running? Hint, it's not easy!) >> 6) Pulled spark plug and verified there was spark, that means its fuel > related >> 7) Pulled fuel line from carburetor and verified flow coming from >> fuel pump - there was >> 8) As a test used different electric pump feeding from gas can and >> still no start >> 9) Replaced fuel filter just for the heck of it. >> 10) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to carburetor for >> removal and rebuild >> 11) Rebuilt carburetor and also verified fuel shutoff solenoid was >> functional and re-installed >> 12) Replaced alternator coil under flywheel while radiator and fan >> were out of the way >> 13) Reassembled everything >> 14) Still doesn't want to start >> 15) Re-verified that electric fuel pump is pumping fuel - it was >> 16) As a test I again used a different electric pump feeding from gas >> can and still no start >> 17) Decided there must be something wrong with fuel shutoff solenoid >> 18) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to fuel shutoff > solenoid >> 19) Found only 1.4 vdc at solenoid - figured this was the problem >> 20) Tracing wire back and found that it comes out of the voltage regulator >> 21) Assumed voltage regulator was bad and prepared to order replacement >> 22) Before ordering I had a hunch. >> >> My hunch was to check out all of the wiring. I found the connector >> between the motor and the mower harness was deteriorating and >> crumbling. This allowed the wire going to the fuel shutoff solenoid >> to slip out of its socket and was only barely making contact which >> accounted for the 1.4 vdc. The wire that fed the ignition coil in >> that same plastic connector was still making contact which is why the >> spark plugs had spark. All of the symptoms pointed to a fuel flow >> problem and when you get down to the root cause there was no fuel >> flow, unfortunately it was because of an electrical problem. >> >> When it was all said and done, the mower had not run out of gas and >> the carburetor didn't need to be rebuilt. I did need to replace the >> alternator coil under the flywheel so at some point I was going to >> have to pull the radiator and fan assemblies to do that so not all was >> lost. >> >> So getting back to the very first sentence. The old adage "Most >> carburetor problems are electrical in nature" appears to have merit. >> >> I hope your Saturday went better than mind did :) >> >> Brad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jul 7 20:34:59 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 22:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) In-Reply-To: References: <9BA39946-3998-4545-ABC0-6F62ADB79AB7@seiri.com> Message-ID: <8CF2AC96780F033-E48-3F7DA@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> I had a gas grille once that I completely rebuilt and it still didnt work. I replaced the LP tank, and then it worked. At least I didnt have to tow it to the garage. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Vince G To: Bob Bownes -Seiri Cc: Friends of Triumph ; Brad Kahler Sent: Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:27 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) That is so damn funny. LMAO. thanks I needed that! My street GT6 has bumbled and popped to a complete stall at the side of the road 3 times this week, twice today an I've tried the obvious, found what looked to be the problem. When I replaced the fuel filter I noticed the intake fitting on the mechanical pump was very loose so tightened it down and smiled. Seemed better briefly then engine miss-fire continued sporadically then quit again completely100 miles later. Back to the garage for some late night fun I guess. At least it brought me home. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-07, at 9:54 PM, "Bob Bownes -Seiri" wrote: > Carburetor is French for "leave it alone"! > > > > On Jul 7, 2012, at 20:56, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> The old adage: "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" >> >> 1) Zero turn mower stopped running because we thought it was out of gas >> 2) Filled the tank and it wouldn't start >> 3) Battery runs down from cranking without starting >> 4) Used truck with jumper cables to try and start with no success >> 5) Towed mower back to shop (ever try to tow a hydraulic powered >> zero turn mower when it isn't running? Hint, it's not easy!) >> 6) Pulled spark plug and verified there was spark, that means its fuel > related >> 7) Pulled fuel line from carburetor and verified flow coming from >> fuel pump - there was >> 8) As a test used different electric pump feeding from gas can and >> still no start >> 9) Replaced fuel filter just for the heck of it. >> 10) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to carburetor for >> removal and rebuild >> 11) Rebuilt carburetor and also verified fuel shutoff solenoid was >> functional and re-installed >> 12) Replaced alternator coil under flywheel while radiator and fan >> were out of the way >> 13) Reassembled everything >> 14) Still doesn't want to start >> 15) Re-verified that electric fuel pump is pumping fuel - it was >> 16) As a test I again used a different electric pump feeding from gas >> can and still no start >> 17) Decided there must be something wrong with fuel shutoff solenoid >> 18) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to fuel shutoff > solenoid >> 19) Found only 1.4 vdc at solenoid - figured this was the problem >> 20) Tracing wire back and found that it comes out of the voltage regulator >> 21) Assumed voltage regulator was bad and prepared to order replacement >> 22) Before ordering I had a hunch. >> >> My hunch was to check out all of the wiring. I found the connector >> between the motor and the mower harness was deteriorating and >> crumbling. This allowed the wire going to the fuel shutoff solenoid >> to slip out of its socket and was only barely making contact which >> accounted for the 1.4 vdc. The wire that fed the ignition coil in >> that same plastic connector was still making contact which is why the >> spark plugs had spark. All of the symptoms pointed to a fuel flow >> problem and when you get down to the root cause there was no fuel >> flow, unfortunately it was because of an electrical problem. >> >> When it was all said and done, the mower had not run out of gas and >> the carburetor didn't need to be rebuilt. I did need to replace the >> alternator coil under the flywheel so at some point I was going to >> have to pull the radiator and fan assemblies to do that so not all was >> lost. >> >> So getting back to the very first sentence. The old adage "Most >> carburetor problems are electrical in nature" appears to have merit. >> >> I hope your Saturday went better than mind did :) >> >> Brad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From LimeyV8 at aol.com Sun Jul 8 06:13:45 2012 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (Jack Mc) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 08:13:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1D75C41A-8394-49DB-9BDA-A96E4316A3C1@aol.com> Hey Joe I heard the car and trailer have been recovered and the perps arrested ! What's the story? Cheers Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On Jul 6, 2012, at 9:46 AM, Joe Henry wrote: > Not Triumph related but please be on the lookout for my stolen MG Midget > race car. Car is a full race EMRA/SCCA car with a full cage and a 1275 > engine. A distinguishing feature is an add on bar to the rear hoop for a > previous taller driver. Car is yellow (or was!). Also taken was my > single axle trailer. Trailer was green/aqua with a tire rack and > storage box on the front. The doors were taken off the storage shed and > both trailer and car were stolen. Thanks in advance. > > Joe Downer > Charlotte, N.C. > 800-332-2486 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Sun Jul 8 08:50:21 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 07:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Brake problem Message-ID: <1341759021.13472.YahooMailClassic@web162206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Dear fot, I have been recently nominated and seconded as a member and this is my first post I guess I'm supposed to write something about myself first......and I will after RA. My problem is trying to up grade from the early TR3 Calipers to 16P style. I was under the assumption they would work with 10-3/4 rotors but no go. Either the rotor is too large in dia. or I need to grind clearance into the caliper. Anyone been here before that can offer advise? Thanks Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Jul 8 10:14:53 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:14:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Brake problem In-Reply-To: <1341759021.13472.YahooMailClassic@web162206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1341759021.13472.YahooMailClassic@web162206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Welcome aboard Guy. The TR4 type calipers must have the TR4 sized rotors, and TR4 caliper mounting brackets. I'm still contemplating this swap for my TR3 street car, as I'm tired of the chirping pads as I run down the road. Terry Stetler From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Sun Jul 8 11:44:35 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 10:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1341769475.71535.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I chased a "fuel problem" for a year and a half only to finally determine that the cause of my problem was the brand new Accel coil that never worked right from day one. In that episode, the most important lesson I learned is to use one of those inline spark indicators and see what the spark is doing right at the time of failure. ________________________________ From: Brad Kahler To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sat, July 7, 2012 6:23:02 PM Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) The old adage: "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" 1) Zero turn mower stopped running because we thought it was out of gas 2) Filled the tank and it wouldn't start 3) Battery runs down from cranking without starting 4) Used truck with jumper cables to try and start with no success 5) Towed mower back to shop (ever try to tow a hydraulic powered zero turn mower when it isn't running? Hint, it's not easy!) 6) Pulled spark plug and verified there was spark, that means its fuel related 7) Pulled fuel line from carburetor and verified flow coming from fuel pump - there was 8) As a test used different electric pump feeding from gas can and still no start 9) Replaced fuel filter just for the heck of it. 10) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to carburetor for removal and rebuild 11) Rebuilt carburetor and also verified fuel shutoff solenoid was functional and re-installed 12) Replaced alternator coil under flywheel while radiator and fan were out of the way 13) Reassembled everything 14) Still doesn't want to start 15) Re-verified that electric fuel pump is pumping fuel - it was 16) As a test I again used a different electric pump feeding from gas can and still no start 17) Decided there must be something wrong with fuel shutoff solenoid 18) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to fuel shutoff solenoid 19) Found only 1.4 vdc at solenoid - figured this was the problem 20) Tracing wire back and found that it comes out of the voltage regulator 21) Assumed voltage regulator was bad and prepared to order replacement 22) Before ordering I had a hunch. My hunch was to check out all of the wiring. I found the connector between the motor and the mower harness was deteriorating and crumbling. This allowed the wire going to the fuel shutoff solenoid to slip out of its socket and was only barely making contact which accounted for the 1.4 vdc. The wire that fed the ignition coil in that same plastic connector was still making contact which is why the spark plugs had spark. All of the symptoms pointed to a fuel flow problem and when you get down to the root cause there was no fuel flow, unfortunately it was because of an electrical problem. When it was all said and done, the mower had not run out of gas and the carburetor didn't need to be rebuilt. I did need to replace the alternator coil under the flywheel so at some point I was going to have to pull the radiator and fan assemblies to do that so not all was lost. So getting back to the very first sentence. The old adage "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" appears to have merit. I hope your Saturday went better than mind did :) Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Sun Jul 8 13:10:44 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Brake problem In-Reply-To: <000501cd5d34$9d83de40$d88b9ac0$@ca> Message-ID: <1341774644.98965.YahooMailClassic@web162203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Thanks to all that replied. The consensus is that I need TR4 brackets for this to work. Pretty unlikely that I can source before the HAWK. Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Sun, 7/8/12, Barry Munson wrote: From: Barry Munson Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3 Brake problem To: "'Guy Morter'" Date: Sunday, July 8, 2012, 6:07 PM Hi Guy - I just made the change on my 1959 TR3A - parts required - TR4-6 rotors and mounting brackets. Persevere it's worth it from a couple of perspectives - unsprung weight saving (6.5 lbs per side), availability of performance options (pads, etc.) is much better, all without any decrease in braking performance. Barry. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Guy Morter Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 8:50 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 Brake problem Dear fot, I have been recently nominated and seconded as a member and this is my first post I guess I'm supposed to write something about myself first......and I will after RA. My problem is trying to up grade from the early TR3 Calipers to 16P style. I was under the assumption they would work with 10-3/4 rotors but no go. Either the rotor is too large in dia. or I need to grind clearance into the caliper. Anyone been here before that can offer advise? Thanks Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/barry at penybryn.ca From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 9 07:09:27 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" 'Trailer' now on-line In-Reply-To: References: <8CF28168FF043D1-132C-1EB0B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF2BEB33A41EFD-1FB8-4D50B@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> FOT: The CALIFORNIA AIR preview is now up on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twWHfzI8oiw&feature=youtu.be Here is a sample of John Clancy's excellent documentary of Kas' history with the TRIUMPH FACTORY and our recent 10th Running of the Kastner Cup at the MITTY. $28.00 FOR THE NTSC DVD includes packaging and shipping in NORTH AMERICA PAYPAL n197tr4 at cs.com Checks: A.R.E. 645 1ST STREET JESUP, IOWA 50648 This is a 3 minute sample of about 2 hours of material. Thanks! Joe Alexander From jhd11 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 07:43:24 2012 From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:43:24 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car Message-ID: Well it was a long couple of days but...the trailer is home, I pick up the race car today and two guys are in jail! THANKS to all who read and forwarded the message and kept a look out. Someone who had seen the posting saw that the crooks had advertised the trailer on craigslist!! They let me and the police know and they were able to catch them. They had sold the car to a metal recycler for $160.00!! I will be out some parts and tie-downs and some small stuff that probably won't be recovered but I am ecstatic about the outcome. The police said that without the fast notice, the car would have been gone by today or tomorrow at the latest! Again, thanks to all. Joe Downer Charlotte, N.C. From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 08:17:33 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 08:17:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51E330AE-C646-41EA-A401-847771AB3BA7@yahoo.com> Sounds like some legislation is in order as well. In Colorado, you can't sell a car for scrap without a title. Then again, I expect a lot of cars get chopped up into parts as a result. Glad you got it back! Ty Tyler Thompson l Account Executive - Public Safety Solutions esri | One International Court | Broomfield, CO 80021 Phone: 303.449-7779 ext. 8260, cell: 719.510-1649 | E-mail: tyler_thompson at esri.com Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Joe Henry wrote: > Well it was a long couple of days but...the trailer is home, I pick up the > race car today and two guys are in jail! THANKS to all who read and forwarded > the message and kept a look out. Someone who had seen the posting saw that > the crooks had advertised the trailer on craigslist!! They let me and the > police know and they were able to catch them. They had sold the car to a > metal recycler for $160.00!! I will be out some parts and tie-downs and some > small stuff that probably won't be recovered but I am ecstatic about the > outcome. The police said that without the fast notice, the car would have > been gone by today or tomorrow at the latest! Again, thanks to all. > > Joe Downer > Charlotte, N.C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From mmoore at wave1.net Mon Jul 9 08:46:29 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:46:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006301cd5de1$a0c6cba0$e25462e0$@net> Somebody should be looking into salvage yard. What legitimate business would take car like that without title and then only give $160. Looks like they may have been ready to sell it for a profit. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Henry Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 9:43 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car Well it was a long couple of days but...the trailer is home, I pick up the race car today and two guys are in jail! THANKS to all who read and forwarded the message and kept a look out. Someone who had seen the posting saw that the crooks had advertised the trailer on craigslist!! They let me and the police know and they were able to catch them. They had sold the car to a metal recycler for $160.00!! I will be out some parts and tie-downs and some small stuff that probably won't be recovered but I am ecstatic about the outcome. The police said that without the fast notice, the car would have been gone by today or tomorrow at the latest! Again, thanks to all. Joe Downer Charlotte, N.C. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at wave1.net From triosan at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 09:21:04 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 08:21:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" 'Trailer' now on-line In-Reply-To: <8CF2BEB33A41EFD-1FB8-4D50B@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF28168FF043D1-132C-1EB0B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> <8CF2BEB33A41EFD-1FB8-4D50B@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Fabulous teaser. gotta get it!! On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 6:09 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > > > The CALIFORNIA AIR preview is now up on YouTube. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twWHfzI8oiw&feature=youtu.be > > > Here is a sample of John Clancy's excellent documentary of Kas' history > with > the TRIUMPH FACTORY and our recent 10th Running of the Kastner Cup at the > MITTY. > > $28.00 FOR THE NTSC DVD includes packaging and shipping in NORTH AMERICA > > PAYPAL n197tr4 at cs.com > > Checks: > > A.R.E. > 645 1ST STREET > JESUP, IOWA 50648 > > This is a 3 minute sample of about 2 hours of material. > > Thanks! > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From vangoughv at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 09:29:18 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:29:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car In-Reply-To: <006301cd5de1$a0c6cba0$e25462e0$@net> References: <006301cd5de1$a0c6cba0$e25462e0$@net> Message-ID: I agree with that. The police should be smart enough to come to the same conclusion also. Salvage yard might even be part of a bigger scheme. WOW congrats on the good news anyway Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-09, at 11:14 AM, "Mike Moore" wrote: > Somebody should be looking into salvage yard. What legitimate business would > take car like that without title and then only give $160. Looks like they > may have been ready to sell it for a profit. > > Thanks > Mike > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > 2007 West 32nd Street > Erie, PA 16508 > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > Fax: 814-864-7383 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Joe Henry > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 9:43 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car > > Well it was a long couple of days but...the trailer is home, I pick up the > race car today and two guys are in jail! THANKS to all who read and > forwarded the message and kept a look out. Someone who had seen the posting > saw that the crooks had advertised the trailer on craigslist!! They let me > and the police know and they were able to catch them. They had sold the car > to a metal recycler for $160.00!! I will be out some parts and tie-downs > and some small stuff that probably won't be recovered but I am ecstatic > about the outcome. The police said that without the fast notice, the car > would have been gone by today or tomorrow at the latest! Again, thanks to > all. > > Joe Downer > Charlotte, N.C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at wave1.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From LimeyV8 at aol.com Mon Jul 9 10:05:19 2012 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (Jack Mc) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:05:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car In-Reply-To: <51E330AE-C646-41EA-A401-847771AB3BA7@yahoo.com> References: <51E330AE-C646-41EA-A401-847771AB3BA7@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I like the laws for scraping cars here in North Carolina just the way they are, thank you very much. You have to have a title if the car is 10 years or less old - no title required if over 10 years old -and in this case the perps (or at least one of them) will have left a photo copy of their ID at the metal recycler - had a title been required, Joe's car could have been reduced to an anonymous pile of scrap in less than an hour. Joe - which metal recycler did the car end up at? I've scraped 2 cars locally at 2 different places - one of which I'll never go back to. Would one assume correctly that the scrap yard is out $160? Anyway, I sure was glad to hear this one turned out the way it did - stealing a race car in these parts is about like stealing a horse in the old west - lots of folks think the perps should be hung. Cheers Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On Jul 9, 2012, at 10:17 AM, "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" wrote: > Sounds like some legislation is in order as well. In Colorado, you can't sell > a car for scrap without a title. Then again, I expect a lot of cars get > chopped up into parts as a result. Glad you got it back! > > Ty > > Tyler Thompson l Account Executive - Public Safety Solutions > esri | One International Court | Broomfield, CO 80021 > Phone: 303.449-7779 ext. 8260, cell: 719.510-1649 | > E-mail: tyler_thompson at esri.com > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > > On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Joe Henry wrote: > >> Well it was a long couple of days but...the trailer is home, I pick up the >> race car today and two guys are in jail! THANKS to all who read and > forwarded >> the message and kept a look out. Someone who had seen the posting saw that >> the crooks had advertised the trailer on craigslist!! They let me and the >> police know and they were able to catch them. They had sold the car to a >> metal recycler for $160.00!! I will be out some parts and tie-downs and > some >> small stuff that probably won't be recovered but I am ecstatic about the >> outcome. The police said that without the fast notice, the car would have >> been gone by today or tomorrow at the latest! Again, thanks to all. >> >> Joe Downer >> Charlotte, N.C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From bownes at seiri.com Mon Jul 9 10:17:15 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Seiri Bownes) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:17:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car In-Reply-To: References: <006301cd5de1$a0c6cba0$e25462e0$@net> Message-ID: Two words....'plausible deniability'. N.Y. has the same 'Can't scrap a car without a title' law. In 35 years of taking cars to junkyards and,or having them hauled away, I've been asked for a title exactly once. It was the one time I a) had the title, and b) knew where it was. In NY, there is an out for 'lost or misplaced' titles, in which the seller simply signs a form stating they own the car or have the right to dispose of it. That covered the scrap dealer nicely. As to a scrapper giving $160 to the thief for it, many of these guys totally operate on a $/lb basis and have breathed a few too many fumes along the way. I had some oil tanks removed over the last few days and one of the scrappers was thrilled to take a garbage can full of brake rotors, exhaust parts, and the like. His comment "That's worth at least $5 at the recyclers!" Had he only known that I would have paid him to haul it away...;) But he said the GT6 and TR6 in the drive would fetch twenty to fifty each. And was disappointed when I wouldn't give those to him as well. The remaning question, is, of course, how much of a car do you need a title in order to legally scrap it? I scraped out a Spit in 4 or 5 55gal drums at one point. I do have a handful of TR serial number plates and titles in my filing cabinet however. Just In Case. In any cage, I'm very glad you got it back. That's a great success story. On Jul 9, 2012, at 11:29, Vince G wrote: > I agree with that. The police should be smart enough to come to the same > conclusion also. Salvage yard might even be part of a bigger scheme. > > WOW > > congrats on the good news anyway > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-07-09, at 11:14 AM, "Mike Moore" wrote: > >> Somebody should be looking into salvage yard. What legitimate business > would >> take car like that without title and then only give $160. Looks like they >> may have been ready to sell it for a profit. >> >> Thanks >> Mike >> >> Michael T. Moore, CPA >> 2007 West 32nd Street >> Erie, PA 16508 >> >> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >> Fax: 814-864-7383 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Joe Henry >> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 9:43 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car >> >> Well it was a long couple of days but...the trailer is home, I pick up the >> race car today and two guys are in jail! THANKS to all who read and >> forwarded the message and kept a look out. Someone who had seen the > posting >> saw that the crooks had advertised the trailer on craigslist!! They let me >> and the police know and they were able to catch them. They had sold the > car >> to a metal recycler for $160.00!! I will be out some parts and tie-downs >> and some small stuff that probably won't be recovered but I am ecstatic >> about the outcome. The police said that without the fast notice, the car >> would have been gone by today or tomorrow at the latest! Again, thanks to >> all. >> >> Joe Downer >> Charlotte, N.C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at wave1.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From bownes at seiri.com Mon Jul 9 10:34:11 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Seiri Bownes) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:34:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 - come take it away.... Message-ID: <441B6087-CDC4-460B-94D4-0B43457BBA13@seiri.com> I posted this a year or so ago and never managed to seal a deal... I have a TR6 sitting in front of my garage that needs to go away. The frame is suffering from classic rot. But it has fiberglass fenders on all four corners and a couple of boxes of parts, mostly interior, still in TRF wrapping. It belonged to a friend who was going to restore it, but got married instead...Silly human. My TR6 Needs a rebuilt engine at this point. I was going to pull this one, rebuild it, put it in my car, and keep my original as a rebuildable spare. But that starts to sound like work...short story long, I'd like to end up with as much of a TR6 drivetrain (engine, trans, diff, hubs) as i can get as spares for my TR6. I'm open to negotiation I don't have to take this one apart... Specifically, should anyone want to trade a significant chunk of spare TR6 drivetrain ( or a TR8/Rover V8 and/or a Hewland/Webster transaxle lying about for my formula car project! ) let me know. It could be a nice swap. Failing that, the rolling chassis will be available free to anyone who wants to come by and help pull the drivetrain. :) Located in Troy, N.Y. Gonna get something on the track in the next year or so.... From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 9 11:12:51 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] CHASING THE TAIL OF THE DRAGON SCCA HILLCLIMB RESULTS? JK JACKSON? In-Reply-To: References: <8CF24EA5B35B6EF-1FCC-43BCD@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room E19-695-KA | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 Note to subscribers: Please e-mail to unix-linux-help at Mit.edu so that all the consultants see your message. This will ensure a more timely response. Thanks. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Important: MIT IT staff will *NEVER* ask you for your password, nor will MIT send you email requesting your password information. Please continue to ignore any email messages that claim to require you to provide such information. You have new mail in /var/spool/mail/lang On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, Rich Rock wrote: [stuff deleted] > Some of you really should try to come to Reading PA for the Duryea Hillclimb, > August 18-19. It's the premier event on the PHA calender. I hope to put the Pagoda HC on my calendar for 2013, even if I just spectate. > Rich Rock regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jul 9 11:43:16 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car Message-ID: <247ec.273d39b2.3d2c7234@aol.com> Joe... Hooray for our side, as you'll get most of your stuff back. What boggles my mind is the fact that there is scum out there that will commit Grand Theft for $160. That's pretty scary stuff. Bill Dentinger From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jul 9 11:44:22 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:44:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car In-Reply-To: <006301cd5de1$a0c6cba0$e25462e0$@net> References: <006301cd5de1$a0c6cba0$e25462e0$@net> Message-ID: <0b1a01cd5dfa$7a20a7a0$6e61f6e0$@rr.com> > What legitimate business > would > take car like that without title and then only give $160. A metal recycler is going to assume that it is worthless as a car, and pay only what the scrap metal is worth. It would probably be worth more if already disassembled and sorted into metal type; but they will have to pay someone to do that. "Mixed" scrap is about the lowest form, even if there are valuable alloys present in the mix. -- Randall From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 15:53:43 2012 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator Message-ID: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago at this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi with my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? thanks Mike Mehl From vangoughv at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 16:28:49 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:28:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What is the rating on your pump? Where is the regulator mounted and do you have a gauge on it? I'm installing a similar set up tonight on my GT6 using the Holley 1-4 psi regulator but I only need about 2.5 psi at the carb an I'm using a 4psi 28gph pump Best if luck! Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-09, at 6:15 PM, "Mike Mehl" wrote: > After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley > regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago at > this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could > find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi with > my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? > > thanks Mike > Mehl > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 17:00:30 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1341874830.54439.YahooMailClassic@web162205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I use a Holley red low pressure pump with a Mr. Gasket cheap regulator dialed down to 1.5 and it works great. We are using the same carbs as you. We used these regulators on VW off road cars to keep the pressure down so as not to flood in rough terrain. The Holley regulators might not be as sensitive at lower pressures. 3.5 is high I think. Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Mon, 7/9/12, Mike Mehl wrote: > From: Mike Mehl > Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > To: "Triumph Friends of" > Date: Monday, July 9, 2012, 9:53 PM > After fighting all weekend with my > fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley > regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It > broke on me a year ago at > this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 > psi that I could > find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me > we want to run 3.5psi with > my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel > pump?? > > thanks Mike > Mehl > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 17:01:07 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:01:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <213093EF-5C7F-4A11-A092-E4DB8B35D349@gmail.com> 2.5 to 3 psi would be about right. You could try a Malpassi fuel regulator if you can find a source for one in the USA. Duncan (Texas) On Jul 9, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley > regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago at > this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could > find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi with > my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? > > thanks Mike > Mehl > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jul 9 17:33:56 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:33:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just a thought, but what is wrong with a SU type fuel pump? Maybe an aftermarket doubleender, I think they already have a regulator built into them. http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=37345 They worked for Jag V-12's! I wonder what the old Group 44 cars used? Charly Mitchel SU Solid State Competition Double Ended Fuel Pump Double-ended SU pumps have been standard equipment for years on Aston Martins, Bentley and late model E-Types. Delivering twice the capacity of a standard MGB type pump, these units will keep on pumping even if one side fails. Well-suited for all high performance engines running SU carbs, as no pressure regulator is required. Part # Price Description Application Qty Rqd Qty 377-036 $379.95 SU Double Pump, Points type Negative or positive ground (not polarity sensitive) 1 377-335 $449.95 SU Double Pump, Solid state Negative ground 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Mehl" To: "Triumph Friends of" Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:53 PM Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the > Holley > regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago > at > this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could > find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi > with > my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? > > thanks Mike > Mehl > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of BAC-408.jpg] From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Jul 9 17:58:10 2012 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:58:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Need writers for SportsCar at 2012 Solo Nationals Message-ID: <9985D37AFF7E4EA5B43C55A7421B099D@rocky> I need writers to help cover the Solo Nationals for SportsCar. If youre the type of person who likes to weigh in on these forums, you may be just the one we need. It takes about two dozen writers to cover the event. Ideally, we want people who will be there all four days -- Tuesday-Wednesday drivers cover Thursday-Friday classes and Thursday-Friday drivers cover Tuesday-Wednesday classes [See Run Days list at bottom of this message]. Im almost full for Tue-Wed (still need a couple) but getting desperate for Thu-Fri writers (need about 10 more). The perks are: 1-This counts as your work assignment, 2-You do most of it sitting in the stands or chatting with other drivers, and 3-You do NOT have to work on the days you run (if youre there all four days). The necessaries are: 1-I prefer people who are there all four days (enabling #3 above), but I can use some same-day people -- it depends what heat you end up running. I do NOT assign conflicts. 2-You have to get stories back to me within about 10 days. You do NOT need polished writing ability. Rather, we need people who are good observers and, yes, even good bench racers. No one should have to write up more than two classes or cover classes in more than two heats (Open and Ladies are considered one class for story purposes). The basic job is to be there when the classes are running, talk to a couple of the key players, then write a story (likely after you get home) of about 500 words. Great writing talent is secondary to just being there. I can edit most anything into a reasonable narrative, but I need the details of the story so the eyes and ears of the reporters are invaluable. If you can be part of the crew this year, please send me a direct e-mail (rocky at spitfire4.com) telling me: 1. Your name 2. Mailing address 3. Phone numbers (home, work, cell) 4. e-mail address 5. Your class, days you run [see schedule below] 6. What day you plan to arrive/leave Lincoln 7. Any preferences for classes you'd like to cover 8. Second choice for event work assignment in case I can't use you as a writer. Ill reply confirming I got your e-mail, then youll hear from me next after the run/work order comes out which is when I can make the story assignments. If you enter Nationals online through MotorsportReg.com (you can reach it most easily from the SCCA.com website), when you reach Work Preference select Other and on the next line down write in SportsCar Writer. If you enter using the paper entry form, in the Worker Information area circle OTHER and write in "SportsCar Writer." If you've already sent your entry and checked off some other worker preference, just let me know what you checked. I can get it changed. Hope to hear from you soon! --Rocky Entriken Chief of Writers Run Days for 2012 Solo Nationals: ~~~TUE-WED~~~ AS CS DS GS STR STS STX STU ESP FSP EP GP BM CM DM EM KM JA JB ~~~THU-FRI~~~ SS BS ES FS HS RTA RTR RTF STC STF SSP ASP BSP CSP DSP SSM SM SMF XP CP DP FP AM FM FSAE and, of course, corresponding Ladies classes From pcdelux at verizon.net Mon Jul 9 18:27:08 2012 From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 20:27:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008c01cd5e32$be6fb4e0$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0> Listers, For street brit cars a more reliable pump I found was a mitsubishi for a 1984 Honda Accord. It fit under the ls floor along rocker and even sounded like an SU style. It has points but does not seem to be affected by sitting around. Around 2psi if I remember. Was 85.00 new last time I checked. Have not bought one in a while. Bill DeWar NJTA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "Mike Mehl" ; "Triumph Friends of" Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > Just a thought, but what is wrong with a SU type fuel pump? Maybe an > aftermarket doubleender, I think they already have a regulator built into > them. http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=37345 > They worked for Jag V-12's! I wonder what the old Group 44 cars used? > Charly Mitchel > > > SU Solid State Competition Double Ended Fuel Pump > > Double-ended SU pumps have been standard equipment for years on Aston > Martins, Bentley and late model E-Types. Delivering twice the capacity of a > standard MGB type pump, these units will keep on pumping even if one side > fails. Well-suited for all high performance engines running SU carbs, as no > pressure regulator is required. > > Part # Price Description Application Qty > Rqd Qty > 377-036 $379.95 SU Double Pump, Points type > Negative or positive ground (not polarity sensitive) 1 > 377-335 $449.95 SU Double Pump, Solid state > Negative ground 1 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Mehl" > To: "Triumph Friends of" > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:53 PM > Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > > > > After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the > > Holley > > regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago > > at > > this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could > > find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi > > with > > my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? > > > > thanks Mike > > Mehl > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of BAC-408.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux at verizon.net From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jul 9 18:47:06 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 18:47:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FFB7B8A.4010103@bradakis.com> Vince G wrote: > I'm installing a similar set up tonight on my GT6 using the Holley 1-4 psi > regulator but I only need about 2.5 psi at the carb an I'm using a 4psi 28gph > pump > > You may run into problems with the input pressure and the desired output pressure being so close. mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jul 9 19:44:32 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 20:44:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Use the Holley Blue pump (about 15 psi output as I recall) with the Holley regulator - either the 1-4 psi regulator or the 4-7 psi regulator. If you use a low pressure pump you won't have enough pressure differential to properly actuate the regulator. Jack and I went through many permutations of pump / regulator before we found the reliable fix to the problem. I run a rock solid 2 psi to my Webers with that set up. Tony Drews At 04:53 PM 7/9/2012, Mike Mehl wrote: >After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley >regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago at >this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could >find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi with >my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? > >thanks Mike >Mehl >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 9 19:58:36 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 01:58:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: Want trouble with a fuel pump line, just run too much pressure with S U 's. Try 2 pounds and then check to see that the pump will deliver 15 gallons per hour. Easy to do, no excuses. Never be beaten by equipment > From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com > To: mike.mehl at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:33:56 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > > Just a thought, but what is wrong with a SU type fuel pump? Maybe an > aftermarket doubleender, I think they already have a regulator built into > them. http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=37345 > They worked for Jag V-12's! I wonder what the old Group 44 cars used? > Charly Mitchel > > > SU Solid State Competition Double Ended Fuel Pump > > Double-ended SU pumps have been standard equipment for years on Aston > Martins, Bentley and late model E-Types. Delivering twice the capacity of a > standard MGB type pump, these units will keep on pumping even if one side > fails. Well-suited for all high performance engines running SU carbs, as no > pressure regulator is required. > > Part # Price Description Application Qty > Rqd Qty > 377-036 $379.95 SU Double Pump, Points type > Negative or positive ground (not polarity sensitive) 1 > 377-335 $449.95 SU Double Pump, Solid state > Negative ground 1 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Mehl" > To: "Triumph Friends of" > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:53 PM > Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > > > > After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the > > Holley > > regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago > > at > > this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could > > find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi > > with > > my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? > > > > thanks Mike > > Mehl > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of BAC-408.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From fasttrs at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 20:15:48 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 19:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] More Mitty Photos Message-ID: <1341886548.94625.YahooMailNeo@web46101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Here are some more Photos from the Mitty. http://motorsports.clarkmcinnisphotography.com/motorsports/Historic%20Sportscar%20Racing/2012/2012%20Mitty/Group%201%20-%20Triumph/index.html From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Jul 9 20:53:23 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 19:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <20120710021031.508E62D0420@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1341888803.14091.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Group: Tony is dead on in his assessment. We had the same issue in the now Randy Williams TR3. The Holley red only puts out 4 psi, and as you try to adjust a Holley regulator down to 3-3.5 psi there isn't enough of a pressure differential to let the diaphragm work properly. The fix is to move up to the Holley blue, and adjust the pressure to the desired level. On this topic...most of us (read carb equipped) want pressures in the area of 2-3.5 psi. All the pressure gauges I can find read 0-15 psi. This puts us using them in the lower 25-30% of the gauge which is not the desired area to be reading. Has anyone been able to find a gauge that reads 0-5 psi? I have looked all over, including aircraft supply places, with no luck. -Ed- --- On Mon, 7/9/12, Tony Drews wrote: From: Tony Drews Subject: Re: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator To: "Mike Mehl" , "Triumph Friends of" Date: Monday, July 9, 2012, 8:44 PM Use the Holley Blue pump (about 15 psi output as I recall) with the Holley regulator - either the 1-4 psi regulator or the 4-7 psi regulator. If you use a low pressure pump you won't have enough pressure differential to properly actuate the regulator. Jack and I went through many permutations of pump / regulator before we found the reliable fix to the problem. I run a rock solid 2 psi to my Webers with that set up. Tony Drews At 04:53 PM 7/9/2012, Mike Mehl wrote: >After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley >regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago at >this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could >find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi with >my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? > >thanks Mike >Mehl >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From chasgee at aol.com Mon Jul 9 21:10:49 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 23:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <20120710021038.7F45E2D0469@autox.team.net> References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120710021038.7F45E2D0469@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CF2C60BD81553B-1F38-25C3@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Tony, Do you find that the pressure creeps up with that set up when the car isn't running? Thanks, Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph Friends of Sent: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 7:12 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator Use the Holley Blue pump (about 15 psi output as I recall) with the olley regulator - either the 1-4 psi regulator or the 4-7 psi egulator. If you use a low pressure pump you won't have enough ressure differential to properly actuate the regulator. Jack and I ent through many permutations of pump / regulator before we found he reliable fix to the problem. I run a rock solid 2 psi to my Webers with that set up. Tony Drews At 04:53 PM 7/9/2012, Mike Mehl wrote: After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago at this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi with my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? thanks Mike Mehl _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jul 9 21:26:30 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 22:26:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <8CF2C60BD81553B-1F38-25C3@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120710021038.7F45E2D0469@autox.team.net> <8CF2C60BD81553B-1F38-25C3@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: /local/mailman/lynxXXXXzoH7bB: Permission denied From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Jul 9 22:33:44 2012 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 23:33:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator References: <1341888803.14091.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45B00F2A25724204A79AEB2BE58F4302@rocky> I use the Holley Red with no problems in my HP Spitfire. Well, actually, it is TWO Holley Reds because I got an ATL fuel cell with two pickups -- one to each rear corner which ensures whether I'm turning right or left even on low fuel I have something being picked up. Then they go to a T still in the trunk with a single line going forward to the regulator under the hood, set at 2.5 psi. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "Mike Mehl" ; "Triumph Friends of" ; "Tony Drews" Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > Group: Tony is dead on in his assessment. We had the same issue in the now > Randy Williams TR3. The Holley red only puts out 4 psi, and as you try to > adjust a Holley regulator down to 3-3.5 psi there isn't enough of a > pressure > differential to let the diaphragm work properly. The fix is to move up to > the > Holley blue, and adjust the pressure to the desired level. > On this topic...most of us (read carb equipped) want pressures in the area > of > 2-3.5 psi. All the pressure gauges I can find read 0-15 psi. This puts us > using them in the lower 25-30% of the gauge which is not the desired area > to > be reading. Has anyone been able to find a gauge that reads 0-5 psi? I > have > looked all over, including aircraft supply places, with no luck. > > -Ed- > > --- On Mon, 7/9/12, Tony Drews wrote: > > > From: Tony Drews > Subject: Re: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > To: "Mike Mehl" , "Triumph Friends of" > > Date: Monday, July 9, 2012, 8:44 PM > > > Use the Holley Blue pump (about 15 psi output as I recall) with the > Holley regulator - either the 1-4 psi regulator or the 4-7 psi > regulator. If you use a low pressure pump you won't have enough > pressure differential to properly actuate the regulator. Jack and I > went through many permutations of pump / regulator before we found > the reliable fix to the problem. > > I run a rock solid 2 psi to my Webers with that set up. > > Tony Drews > > At 04:53 PM 7/9/2012, Mike Mehl wrote: >>After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the > Holley >>regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago >>at >>this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could >>find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi >>with >>my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? >> >>thanks Mike >>Mehl >>_______________________________________________ >>fot at autox.team.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 9 23:16:42 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 05:16:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fuel pumps and regulators Message-ID: I used the blue pumps are regulators with great success. Some of the little electronic pumps were okay for a while but, they in the end, failed at a time of great nuisance. Pressure, volume and adjustability, from blue pumps. I have used AC motor pumps and they worked very well also. Never be beaten by equipment From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 9 23:51:14 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 05:51:14 +0000 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm always a friend of simple solution. Less parts on the less failures you might face. I run a Mitsuba fuel pump. The is self regulating and suitable for SU and Weber. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mehl Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:53:43 To: Triumph Friends of Reply-To: Mike Mehl Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago at this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi with my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? thanks Mike Mehl _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Tue Jul 10 04:20:12 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:20:12 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fuel pumps and regulators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've used pacet pumps for a while now and they do eventually pack up, mostly due to moisture collecting inside the steel body and causing the electroplating to variously fur up .... I ditch them after 3 years in the car now as 5 years seems to be the service life. Otherwise so long as you put 12 volts and fuel through them they pump enough to keep up to 2 weber 48s happy. Tony Sent from my iPhone On 10 Jul 2012, at 06:16, Kas Kastner wrote: > I used the blue pumps are regulators with great success. Some of the little > electronic pumps were okay for a while but, they in the end, failed at a time > of great nuisance. Pressure, volume and adjustability, from blue pumps. I have > used AC motor pumps and they worked very well also. > > Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 10 07:27:52 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER Message-ID: <8CF2CB6F157C384-1FB8-5BE4E@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> John reports that he is in Ohio at the moment and will arrive at Elkhart Lake on Friday morning. We will have a gaggle of FOT at THE HAWK and it would be nice if we made a plan to gather in John's honor. Any suggestions? Anyone? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 10 07:38:59 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA COMING TO AMERICA Message-ID: <8CF2CB87E36C344-1FB8-5C0C7@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> John Houlton and I have some serious planning going for the next Kastner Cup. The Brits 'missed the boat', so to speak on the 10th Running Of The KCUP. May be we can inveigle them into coming to Road America. There's over a year to make plans........ Geoff Byrne (New Zealand) is wistfully saying, 'wouldnt it be great if we could bring some Triumphs.....' I wonder what we can do to make this happen? We know that some Canadians will join us, but it would be great to make this a truly INTERNATIONAL EVENT. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 08:01:27 2012 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 07:01:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER In-Reply-To: <8CF2CB6F157C384-1FB8-5BE4E@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF2CB6F157C384-1FB8-5BE4E@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I would be happy with a cold drink and a break from 1400 mile days! On Jul 10, 2012 9:47 AM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > John reports that he is in Ohio at the moment and will arrive at Elkhart > Lake > on Friday morning. > > We will have a gaggle of FOT at THE HAWK and it would be nice if we made a > plan to gather in John's honor. > > Any suggestions? Anyone? > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jul 10 10:16:12 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER Message-ID: <56c2.3e1aa3ba.3d2daf4c@aol.com> In a message dated 07/10/2012 9:18:58 AM Central Daylight Time, capecoventryracing at gmail.com writes: > I would be happy with a cold drink and a break from 1400 mile days! > On Jul 10, 2012 9:47 AM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > I am not sure (until I get there), but at all of the vintage events, the Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team is normally assigned ('grandfathered') to a spot directly across from the entrance to the False Grid Not hard to find.. Bill Dentinger From sjanzen at me.com Tue Jul 10 11:17:23 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 13:17:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Beaverun/ Pittsburgh this weekend In-Reply-To: <2241DE28CF7E4ED5B40E5AD8FC84EAE1@owner8914bbf7f> References: <8CF2A59DF8B7477-E48-38644@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> <2241DE28CF7E4ED5B40E5AD8FC84EAE1@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: Hi, Bill. I'll be at Beaverun with the GT6 this weekend. Any other Triumphs? Scott Janzen '68 GT6 On Jul 7, 2012, at 12:02 PM, william r tobin wrote: Joe, sign me up for one. I'm headed to BeaveRun next weekend; anyone else going? I finally got my lift in and it works great. No more rolling around on the floor! Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 10 11:41:51 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:41:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER In-Reply-To: References: <8CF2CB6F157C384-1FB8-5BE4E@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8BC77DC0-8B84-4A2B-8C28-0EC312DDD186@sbcglobal.net> And we are supposedly in the Competition paddock as well - next to Fourintune, the Healey Boys. If you get past the Hawk - we'll see you on Friday. Dennis On Jul 10, 2012, at 9:01 AM, John Nikas wrote: > I would be happy with a cold drink and a break from 1400 mile days! > On Jul 10, 2012 9:47 AM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > >> John reports that he is in Ohio at the moment and will arrive at Elkhart >> Lake >> on Friday morning. >> >> We will have a gaggle of FOT at THE HAWK and it would be nice if we made a >> plan to gather in John's honor. >> >> Any suggestions? Anyone? >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 12:00:44 2012 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:00:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER In-Reply-To: <8BC77DC0-8B84-4A2B-8C28-0EC312DDD186@sbcglobal.net> References: <8CF2CB6F157C384-1FB8-5BE4E@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> <8BC77DC0-8B84-4A2B-8C28-0EC312DDD186@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: What in the hell is the 'hawk'. I'm going to Elkhart Lake right? On Jul 10, 2012 1:41 PM, "Dennis Delap" wrote: > And we are supposedly in the Competition paddock as well - next to > Fourintune, the Healey Boys. > If you get past the Hawk - we'll see you on Friday. > > Dennis > > > On Jul 10, 2012, at 9:01 AM, John Nikas > wrote: > > > I would be happy with a cold drink and a break from 1400 mile days! > > On Jul 10, 2012 9:47 AM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > > > >> John reports that he is in Ohio at the moment and will arrive at Elkhart > >> Lake > >> on Friday morning. > >> > >> We will have a gaggle of FOT at THE HAWK and it would be nice if we > made a > >> plan to gather in John's honor. > >> > >> Any suggestions? Anyone? > >> > >> > >> Joe Alexander > >> A. R. E. > >> 645 1st Street > >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 > >> 319.464.4711 (cell) > >> n197tr4 at cs.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 10 12:45:55 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:45:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER Message-ID: What used to be known as BRIC. The Hawk at Road America with Brian Redman. Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad John Nikas wrote: >What in the hell is the 'hawk'. I'm going to Elkhart Lake right? >On Jul 10, 2012 1:41 PM, "Dennis Delap" wrote: > >> And we are supposedly in the Competition paddock as well - next to >> Fourintune, the Healey Boys. >> If you get past the Hawk - we'll see you on Friday. >> >> Dennis >> >> >> On Jul 10, 2012, at 9:01 AM, John Nikas >> wrote: >> >> > I would be happy with a cold drink and a break from 1400 mile days! >> > On Jul 10, 2012 9:47 AM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: >> > >> >> John reports that he is in Ohio at the moment and will arrive at Elkhart >> >> Lake >> >> on Friday morning. >> >> >> >> We will have a gaggle of FOT at THE HAWK and it would be nice if we >> made a >> >> plan to gather in John's honor. >> >> >> >> Any suggestions? Anyone? >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> >> A. R. E. >> >> 645 1st Street >> >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> >> Unsubscribe: >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jul 10 13:15:30 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER Message-ID: <31c99.7ee56843.3d2dd952@aol.com> John... THE HAWK WITH BRIAN REDMAN is the new name for the huge July ROAD AMERIICA vintage event. Started out many, many years ago as the CHICAGO HISTORICS, and has evolved since under many acronyms like BRIC, KICK heavily influenced by sponsor money. HAWK, the brake pad people, are the current sponsor. We've been at every one of them since the mid-1980s. Bill Dentinger From kaskas at cox.net Tue Jul 10 15:02:12 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 21:02:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Michael Porter Message-ID: Please send me an emai addressl Michael so I can ask you a couple questions. Thanks. Never be beaten by equipment From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 11 05:40:49 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER In-Reply-To: References: <8CF2CB6F157C384-1FB8-5BE4E@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> <8BC77DC0-8B84-4A2B-8C28-0EC312DDD186@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <8CF2D7126B5B378-CAC-6CB1B@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> John, Four-In-Tune is a prominent restoration/tuner shop in Wisconsin. They will want to see GRACE and perhaps can help you with any issues that Grace may be having. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Nikas To: Dennis Delap Cc: Joe Alexander ; fot Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER What in the hell is the 'hawk'. I'm going to Elkhart Lake right? On Jul 10, 2012 1:41 PM, "Dennis Delap" wrote: And we are supposedly in the Competition paddock as well - next to Fourintune, the Healey Boys. If you get past the Hawk - we'll see you on Friday. Dennis On Jul 10, 2012, at 9:01 AM, John Nikas wrote: > I would be happy with a cold drink and a break from 1400 mile days! > On Jul 10, 2012 9:47 AM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > >> John reports that he is in Ohio at the moment and will arrive at Elkhart >> Lake >> on Friday morning. >> >> We will have a gaggle of FOT at THE HAWK and it would be nice if we made a >> plan to gather in John's honor. >> >> Any suggestions? Anyone? >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 11 06:51:37 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 08:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" ORDER STATUS Message-ID: <8CF2D7B0B1A8EEC-CAC-6DD3C@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Thanks to John Clancy Productions 50+ DVDs are are winging their way over from the U.K. this week. Packaging materials are on order and should be arriving shortly. I am off to ROAD AMERICA this weekend............ By Monday I should be packaging and shipping throughout the week. If you are planning to get this DVD, it would nice to do it within this time frame. Thanks! ORDER INFORMATION: EMAIL: N197tr4 at cs.com PayPal: N197tr4 at cs.com Check: To address below Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jul 11 07:45:15 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 09:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... Message-ID: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> Amici... GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop this morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is from Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest 'sportscar' at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear fender bead goes. Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. Bill Dentinger From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Jul 11 08:11:04 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> Message-ID: <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > Amici... > > GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph > World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been > making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop > this > morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is > from > Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest > 'sportscar' > at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. > > Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end > is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear > fender bead goes. > > Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a > massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him > out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. > He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. > > I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Jul 11 08:13:36 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:13:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> Message-ID: Too Cool! Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-11, at 10:00 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph > World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been > making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop this > morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is from > Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest 'sportscar' > at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. > > Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end > is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear > fender bead goes. > > Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a > massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him > out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. > He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. > > I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jul 11 09:08:35 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:08:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> Message-ID: <3374F447-0C10-4C2F-8DCF-99FB72E97C1E@me.com> not much Triumph left, though - front wheel drive, blown chevy V8 nt wheel drive, small block Chevy powered, C/BFMS (blown fuel modified sports car) On Jul 11, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > Amici... > > GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph > World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been > making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop this > morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is from > Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest 'sportscar' > at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. > > Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end > is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear > fender bead goes. > > Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a > massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him > out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. > He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. > > I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From clw2000 at msn.com Wed Jul 11 10:51:24 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:51:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com>, <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> Message-ID: Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its design! Thanks, Chuck Watson Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com > To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related > Charly Mitchel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM > Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > > > > Amici... > > > > GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph > > World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been > > making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop > > this > > morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is > > from > > Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest > > 'sportscar' > > at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. > > > > Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end > > is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear > > fender bead goes. > > > > Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a > > massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him > > out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. > > He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. > > > > I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. > > > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From kaskas at cox.net Wed Jul 11 12:07:58 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:07:58 +0000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com>, <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> Message-ID: Oh yeah, looks just like Jason's car at Atlanta. Never be beaten by equipment > From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com > To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related > Charly Mitchel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM > Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > > > > Amici... > > > > GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph > > World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been > > making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop > > this > > morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is > > from > > Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest > > 'sportscar' > > at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. > > > > Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end > > is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear > > fender bead goes. > > > > Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a > > massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him > > out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. > > He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. > > > > I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. > > > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From bownes at seiri.com Wed Jul 11 13:02:22 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:02:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> Message-ID: <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> Many years ago MJB pointed out that the land speed record for production under 2 L cars should be well within the reach of the GT6. Sure am glad I live east of the Mississippi. That's the last project I need! On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:51, Charles WATSON wrote: > Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its design! > > > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers > Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > > > > > > > > > >> From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com >> To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related >> Charly Mitchel >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM >> Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >> >> >>> Amici... >>> >>> GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph >>> World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been >>> making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop >>> this >>> morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is >>> from >>> Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest >>> 'sportscar' >>> at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. >>> >>> Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end >>> is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear >>> fender bead goes. >>> >>> Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a >>> massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him >>> out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. >>> He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. >>> >>> I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. >>> >>> Bill Dentinger >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From kaskas at cox.net Wed Jul 11 15:43:44 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:43:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com>, <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly>, , <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> Message-ID: You might be surprised at how high the speeds are for some of the classes. Tom Kreger's SAAB sedan does over 150. It really depends on the class. Our TR-4A did 128 in 1966 and change with full windshield and top etc. the record for that class at that time was held by a Damiler 2.5 and it was about 131 as I rmember. The Salt is 4200 feet high and that altitude saps a lot of power. GT-6 should be able to do the job but you had better check the records with the Southern California Timing Association, they rule at the salt. Never be beaten by equipment > From: bownes at seiri.com > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:02:22 -0400 > To: clw2000 at msn.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > > Many years ago MJB pointed out that the land speed record for production under > 2 L cars should be well within the reach of the GT6. > > Sure am glad I live east of the Mississippi. That's the last project I need! > > > On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:51, Charles WATSON wrote: > > > Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its design! > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers > > Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com > >> To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net > >> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related > >> Charly Mitchel > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM > >> Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > >> > >> > >>> Amici... > >>> > >>> GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph > >>> World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been > >>> making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop > >>> this > >>> morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is > >>> from > >>> Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest > >>> 'sportscar' > >>> at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. > >>> > >>> Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end > >>> is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear > >>> fender bead goes. > >>> > >>> Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a > >>> massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him > >>> out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. > >>> He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. > >>> > >>> I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. > >>> > >>> Bill Dentinger > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From bownes at seiri.com Wed Jul 11 15:53:09 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:53:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> Message-ID: <2BE1463E-45BA-4434-A3CD-0E4A5AA1B216@seiri.com> Well if any of us know how to get power out of a Triumph, at the altitude of the Salt, I'd bet on the guy who lives in Salt lake City...:) On Jul 11, 2012, at 17:43, Kas Kastner wrote: > > > > Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its design! From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jul 11 16:07:53 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:07:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> Message-ID: Yep, very early in childhood, I set a goal to own and drive the fastest GT6 in the world.... Now, Somehow, I'm going backwards...Only 200 mph to go. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri wrote: > Many years ago MJB pointed out that the land speed record for production > under > 2 L cars should be well within the reach of the GT6. > > Sure am glad I live east of the Mississippi. That's the last project I > need! > > > On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:51, Charles WATSON wrote: > > > Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its design! > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers > > Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com > >> To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net > >> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related > >> Charly Mitchel > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM > >> Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > >> > >> > >>> Amici... > >>> > >>> GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of > Triumph > >>> World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has > been > >>> making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop > >>> this > >>> morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he > is > >>> from > >>> Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest > >>> 'sportscar' > >>> at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. > >>> > >>> Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear > end > >>> is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear > >>> fender bead goes. > >>> > >>> Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor > of a > >>> massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put > him > >>> out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for > speed. > >>> He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. > >>> > >>> I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. > >>> > >>> Bill Dentinger > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From kaskas at cox.net Wed Jul 11 16:37:10 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:37:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: <2BE1463E-45BA-4434-A3CD-0E4A5AA1B216@seiri.com> References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> , <2BE1463E-45BA-4434-A3CD-0E4A5AA1B216@seiri.com> Message-ID: That's where I first started in this business. Took me five years to make enough money to get a bus out of town. :-) Never be beaten by equipment > CC: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: bownes at seiri.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:53:09 -0400 > To: kaskas at cox.net > > Well if any of us know how to get power out of a Triumph, at the altitude of the Salt, I'd bet on the guy who lives in Salt lake City...:) > > > > > > On Jul 11, 2012, at 17:43, Kas Kastner wrote: > > > > > > > Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its design! From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jul 11 17:38:24 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:38:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> <2BE1463E-45BA-4434-A3CD-0E4A5AA1B216@seiri.com> Message-ID: Sounds like someone needs to figure out a way to get "California Air" delivered to motors running wild out on the salt flats... talk about an E-ticket ride. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > That's where I first started in this business. Took me five years to make > enough money to get a bus out of town. :-) > > Never be beaten by equipment > > CC: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > > From: bownes at seiri.com > > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:53:09 -0400 > > To: kaskas at cox.net > > > > Well if any of us know how to get power out of a Triumph, at the > altitude of > the Salt, I'd bet on the guy who lives in Salt lake City...:) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 2012, at 17:43, Kas Kastner wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its > design! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jul 11 18:01:00 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:01:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> , <2BE1463E-45BA-4434-A3CD-0E4A5AA1B216@seiri.com> Message-ID: <4FFE13BC.3090207@bradakis.com> Kas Kastner wrote: > That's where I first started in this business. Took me five years to make > enough money to get a bus out of town. :-) > > When I helped a friend move here back in 1973, my plan was to take the bus back to Indiana. Obviously that didn't happen. And the way my employment is currently going I can't a bus ticket now, either, let alone put together a Salt Flats effort. But I do have this old TR7 coupe stashed by the garage.... mjb. From craigl at leinickegroup.com Wed Jul 11 22:49:13 2012 From: craigl at leinickegroup.com (Craig Leinicke) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:49:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: With the current interest in land speed racing, this is the perfect time to coax some of you out to give it a try. I have been racing my TR7 roadster with the East Coast Timing Association (ECTA) since 2007 and I really enjoy it. The ECTA has recently moved its venue to Wilmington, OH. We run a one mile land speed course on a decommissioned air strip. It is smooth and fast and a great chance to see some very fast cars. My TR7 roadster runs 120mph and makes 108hp at the rear wheels. Here's where it gets interesting... (I know what makes us all tick) If there is enough interest from the FOT I will check with the competition director and propose sponsoring a TRIUMPH Top Speed Challenge in conjunction with one of the 2013 regularly scheduled ECTA events... I will offer a trophy to the fastest TR with a displacement of 1.5 liter, 2 liters, 3 liters, and 4 liters... Event t-shirts etc. It will hopefully be a chance for me to meet a lot of you and have some fun. You have been challenged! Craig Leinicke Flashback Racing On 7/11/12 10:08 PM, "Craig Leinicke" wrote: > With all of this interest in land speed racing, I judge this is the perfect > time to jump in and coax some of you to come out and give it a try. > I have been racing my TR7 roadster with the East Coast Timing Association > (ECTA) since 2007 and I really enjoy it. The ECTA used to run in Maxton, NC > but has recently moved its venue to Wilmington, OH. We run a one mile land > speed course on a decommissioned DHL air strip. It is smooth and fast. It is a > great chance to see some very innovative people with very fast cars. > > My TR7 roadster runs 120mph and makes 108hp at the rear wheels. > Here's where it gets interesting... (I know what makes us all tick) If there > is enough interest from the FOT I will check with the president and > competition director of the ECTA and see if we can sponsor a TRIUMPH Top Speed > Challenge in conjunction with one of the 2013 regularly scheduled events... > And I will offer a trophy of some sort to the fastest TR with a displacement > of 1.5 liter, 2 liters, 3 liters, and 4 liters. > > It will hopefully be a chance for me to meet a lot of you and have some fun. > The events are really laid back. Let me know... You have been challenged! > > Craig Leinicke > Flashback Racing > > > On 7/11/12 4:43 PM, "Kas Kastner" wrote: > >> You might be surprised at how high the speeds are for some of the classes. >> Tom >> Kreger's SAAB sedan does over 150. It really depends on the class. Our TR-4A >> did 128 in 1966 and change with full windshield and top etc. the record for >> that class at that time was held by a Damiler 2.5 and it was about 131 as I >> rmember. The Salt is 4200 feet high and that altitude saps a lot of power. >> GT-6 should be able to do the job but you had better check the records with >> the Southern California Timing Association, they rule at the salt. >> >> Never be beaten by equipment >>> From: bownes at seiri.com >>> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:02:22 -0400 >>> To: clw2000 at msn.com >>> CC: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >>> >>> Many years ago MJB pointed out that the land speed record for production >> under >>> 2 L cars should be well within the reach of the GT6. >>> >>> Sure am glad I live east of the Mississippi. That's the last project I >> need! >>> >>> >>> On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:51, Charles WATSON wrote: >>> >>>> Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its design! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chuck Watson >>>> >>>> >>>> Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers >>>> Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com >>>>> To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net >>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 >>>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >>>>> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related >>>>> Charly Mitchel >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM >>>>> Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Amici... >>>>>> >>>>>> GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of >> Triumph >>>>>> World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has >> been >>>>>> making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop >>>>>> this >>>>>> morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he >> is >>>>>> from >>>>>> Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest >>>>>> 'sportscar' >>>>>> at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. >>>>>> >>>>>> Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear >> end >>>>>> is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear >>>>>> fender bead goes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of >> a >>>>>> massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put >> him >>>>>> out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for >> speed. >>>>>> He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill Dentinger >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>>>> Unsubscribe: >>>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/craigl at leinickegroup.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Fri Jul 13 12:32:00 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 18:32:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Part for Sale Message-ID: <1787299805.2057884.1342204320147.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello: I have a "long tube" SU carburetor intake manifold for sale. This item has been updated with a welded bead all the way around the circumference of the intake tubes (side which mounts to cylinder head) to prevent cracking. $40 plus shipping. If interested or want a photo, contact offline. Thanks. Gary From jkhagen at charter.net Sat Jul 14 19:35:32 2012 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... Message-ID: <49db9bed.127475.1388846b7d7.Webtop.43@charter.net> If you check the SCTA check out D. Johnson I think he still holds 1300-1500 cc sportscars in Spitfire @about 153mph. Dean was Spitfire SCCA Nat'l champ F-prod? John Hagen On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > You might be surprised at how high the speeds are for some of the > classes. Tom > Kreger's SAAB sedan does over 150. It really depends on the class. > Our TR-4A > did 128 in 1966 and change with full windshield and top etc. the > record for > that class at that time was held by a Damiler 2.5 and it was about 131 > as I > rmember. The Salt is 4200 feet high and that altitude saps a lot of > power. > GT-6 should be able to do the job but you had better check the records > with > the Southern California Timing Association, they rule at the salt. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> From: bownes at seiri.com >> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:02:22 -0400 >> To: clw2000 at msn.com >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >> >> Many years ago MJB pointed out that the land speed record for >> production > under >> 2 L cars should be well within the reach of the GT6. >> >> Sure am glad I live east of the Mississippi. That's the last project >> I > need! >> >> >> On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:51, Charles WATSON wrote: >> >>> Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its >>> design! >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck Watson >>> >>> >>> Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers >>> Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com >>>> To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net >>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related >>>> Charly Mitchel >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM >>>> Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >>>> >>>> >>>>> Amici... >>>>> >>>>> GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of > Triumph >>>>> World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that >>>>> has > been >>>>> making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the >>>>> shop >>>>> this >>>>> morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and >>>>> he > is >>>>> from >>>>> Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest >>>>> 'sportscar' >>>>> at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. >>>>> >>>>> Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The >>>>> rear > end >>>>> is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the >>>>> rear >>>>> fender bead goes. >>>>> >>>>> Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the >>>>> survivor of > a >>>>> massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident >>>>> put > him >>>>> out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for > speed. >>>>> He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. >>>>> >>>>> Bill Dentinger >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>>> Unsubscribe: >>>>> >>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From mrcpt1fc at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 15 12:15:50 2012 From: mrcpt1fc at sbcglobal.net (mrcpt1@sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 11:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires Message-ID: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hello, I have a car that I believe would have come with Dunlop Gold Seal tires, I am keeping the OE 48 spoke wires for originality. What would be my best bet for 5.50 x 15 tires ? My car is not a race car but I do like to drive ! I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, Mike. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Jul 15 14:53:52 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 14:53:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike, The Toyo RA-1 is an excellent tire for wet and dry. Good grippy compound and pretty inexpensive. Jim Gray -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of mrcpt1 at sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:16 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires Hello, I have a car that I believe would have come with Dunlop Gold Seal tires, I am keeping the OE 48 spoke wires for originality. What would be my best bet for 5.50 x 15 tires ? My car is not a race car but I do like to drive ! I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, Mike. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Jul 15 16:54:12 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 18:54:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Honestly, a set of 165 SR 15 radial tires is the only way to go if you drive the car on any regular basis. They last longer, they turn better, they have far better straight ahead stability, are far more puncture resistant, and most importantly, they stop much better. Bias ply tires are for Pebble Beach show cars that never get driven. Terry Stetler. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sun Jul 15 17:05:09 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 18:05:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001cd62de$48acac30$da060490$@com> I like the Vredestein tires that I put on my street Triumph. Tim Murphy -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of mrcpt1 at sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 1:16 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires Hello, I have a car that I believe would have come with Dunlop Gold Seal tires, I am keeping the OE 48 spoke wires for originality. What would be my best bet for 5.50 x 15 tires ? My car is not a race car but I do like to drive ! I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, Mike. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Jul 15 18:09:45 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 20:09:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: I would like to nominate a fellow Spitfire driver Charlie Darrow. I met Charlie at Mid-Ohio last month and ran into him again this weekend at Beaver Run (PIRC). Charlie has a well prepared Mk3 Spit and knows how to drive also. I figure that one more Spitfire guy on the list to answer all my questions will result in less questions for the rest of you from me. What say ye, can I have a second? Charlie's email is cdarrow2 at comcast.net From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jul 15 18:32:45 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 19:32:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <20120716000337.AE3F32D09A1@autox.team.net> References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20120716000337.AE3F32D09A1@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Toyo R888 too (it's the replacement for the RA-1). They are 50 series tires. Tony At 03:53 PM 7/15/2012, Jim Gray wrote: >Mike, >The Toyo RA-1 is an excellent tire for wet and dry. Good grippy compound and >pretty inexpensive. >Jim Gray > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of mrcpt1 at sbcglobal.net >Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:16 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires > >Hello, I have a car that I believe would have come with Dunlop Gold Seal >tires, >I am keeping the OE 48 spoke wires for originality. > > >What would be my best bet for 5.50 x 15 tires ? > >My car is not a race car but I do like to drive ! > >I would appreciate any suggestions. > >Thanks, Mike. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Jul 15 19:05:34 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:05:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <20120716000402.EC7C22D099E@autox.team.net> References: <20120716000402.EC7C22D099E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? Hence it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels of a stock TR-2. We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? Terry Stetler. From levilevi at comcast.net Sun Jul 15 21:46:28 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:46:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Second. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jul 15, 2012, at 6:09 PM, marty sukey wrote: > I would like to nominate a fellow Spitfire driver Charlie Darrow. I > met > Charlie at Mid-Ohio last month and ran into him again this weekend > at Beaver > Run (PIRC). Charlie has a well prepared Mk3 Spit and knows how to > drive also. > I figure that one more Spitfire guy on the list to answer all my > questions > will result in less questions for the rest of you from me. What say > ye, can I > have a second? > > > > Charlie's email is cdarrow2 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 15 21:56:44 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 22:56:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66B24424-FD1F-4EBE-A88E-AE906DC66F9B@sbcglobal.net> I'll second. On Jul 15, 2012, at 7:09 PM, marty sukey wrote: > I would like to nominate a fellow Spitfire driver Charlie Darrow. I met > Charlie at Mid-Ohio last month and ran into him again this weekend at Beaver > Run (PIRC). Charlie has a well prepared Mk3 Spit and knows how to drive also. > I figure that one more Spitfire guy on the list to answer all my questions > will result in less questions for the rest of you from me. What say ye, can I > have a second? > > > > Charlie's email is cdarrow2 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jul 15 22:24:47 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:24:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <103601cd630a$ef884380$0601a8c0@randall> > Honestly, a set of 165 SR 15 radial tires is the only way to > go I'll second that, except that 165s are really hard to get in and out of the spare tire well. Fortunately, Vredestein still makes their Sprint Classic tires in 155SR15 (about $90/tire). And while not exactly a high performance tire, they are much better than the old bias ply tires. If they have to be 5.50-15, then the only source I know is Coker tire. -- Randall From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jul 15 23:29:18 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 00:29:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Absolutely! Second. Tony At 07:09 PM 7/15/2012, marty sukey wrote: >I would like to nominate a fellow Spitfire driver Charlie Darrow. I met >Charlie at Mid-Ohio last month and ran into him again this weekend at Beaver >Run (PIRC). Charlie has a well prepared Mk3 Spit and knows how to drive also. >I figure that one more Spitfire guy on the list to answer all my questions >will result in less questions for the rest of you from me. What say ye, can I >have a second? > > > >Charlie's email is cdarrow2 at comcast.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jul 15 23:30:27 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 00:30:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: References: <20120716000402.EC7C22D099E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: If we're looking at 5.5" wide wheels, I doubt we're talking stock rims. Tony At 08:05 PM 7/15/2012, Terry Stetler wrote: >Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? Hence >it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels of a >stock TR-2. > >We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? > >Terry Stetler. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 15 23:55:13 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 05:55:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think any tire of 155-15 or 165-15 range will do it. Maybe a Goodyear. For your skinny wire spokes nothing with too much grip. Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: "mrcpt1 at sbcglobal.net" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 11:15:50 To: Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires Hello, I have a car that I believe would have come with Dunlop Gold Seal tires, I am keeping the OE 48 spoke wires for originality. What would be my best bet for 5.50 x 15 tires ? My car is not a race car but I do like to drive ! I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, Mike. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From sjanzen at me.com Mon Jul 16 06:37:20 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (SCOTT JANZEN) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:37:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great guys- father and son team- raced with them at VIR, Millville and PIRC this weekend. Quick, too Welcome! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2012, at 8:09 PM, marty sukey wrote: > I would like to nominate a fellow Spitfire driver Charlie Darrow. I met > Charlie at Mid-Ohio last month and ran into him again this weekend at Beaver > Run (PIRC). Charlie has a well prepared Mk3 Spit and knows how to drive also. > I figure that one more Spitfire guy on the list to answer all my questions > will result in less questions for the rest of you from me. What say ye, can I > have a second? > > > > Charlie's email is cdarrow2 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 06:41:37 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 07:41:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't think I'd want to drive a TR2 in the rain on bias plies if I had the option of using radial tires instead. Modern tires are much more resistant to hydroplaning (and the Vredesteins on my Morgan Plus 8 are not great in this regard) and I seem to recall that TR3s on original tires don't tolerate sloppy downshifts, which can cause the rear end to lose traction and cause a spin. On the other hand, you could practice 4-wheel drifts... Isn't the spare tire well too small for 165s? My (hazy) recollection is that this is why I kept the original spare in our '56 TR3. Duncan (Texas) On Jul 15, 2012, at 5:54 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Honestly, a set of 165 SR 15 radial tires is the only way to go if you drive > the car on any regular basis. > > They last longer, they turn better, they have far better straight ahead > stability, are far more puncture resistant, and most importantly, they stop > much better. > > Bias ply tires are for Pebble Beach show cars that never get driven. > > Terry Stetler. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 16 07:12:32 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ Message-ID: <8CF316BCAAEF536-1010-A8991@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> FOT: RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I was reminded that we ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. It was a huge success with both the race car guys and especially the street car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony Drews ran FASTEST TIME OF THE DAY. If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It will mean a fair amount of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA personnel. We might also seek some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs associated with this proposed event. We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard core AUTOCROSSER among the FOT LIST. My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last time. This only goes to show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to want to do it. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 16 07:23:51 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:23:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <20120716072205.AA8502D0DB4@autox.team.net> References: <20120716000402.EC7C22D099E@autox.team.net> <20120716072205.AA8502D0DB4@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <009601cd6356$3e9baf20$bbd30d60$@net> Back in the mid 80's I vintage raced an Austin Healy 100-4 with Michelin X tires and 48 spoke wheels. The drifting was exciting but we lost a lot of time in the turns. When I switched to wider, stickier tires, the outside wheels quickly became 18 spoke wheels. My observation: better tires require more spokes. I couldn't resist the temptation so I switched to 72 spokes which performed flawlessly. And, of course, I drove the car to and from the track. Richard Taylor TR-4 #196 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:30 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires If we're looking at 5.5" wide wheels, I doubt we're talking stock rims. Tony At 08:05 PM 7/15/2012, Terry Stetler wrote: >Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? Hence >it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels >of a stock TR-2. > >We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? > >Terry Stetler. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net From sjanzen at me.com Mon Jul 16 07:35:07 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:35:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49276AA8-1068-4F9C-A90C-13342460553B@me.com> Good guys - father and son team (Jesse). I've spent time with them at VIR, Millville, PIRC. Always having a good time! Only problem is, Jesse is getting round the track as fast as my GT6! Best of all, they brought me a Prumanti's sandwich this weekend at the track - anyone from Pittsburgh knows what that means to a former Pittsburgher! On Jul 15, 2012, at 8:09 PM, marty sukey wrote: I would like to nominate a fellow Spitfire driver Charlie Darrow. I met Charlie at Mid-Ohio last month and ran into him again this weekend at Beaver Run (PIRC). Charlie has a well prepared Mk3 Spit and knows how to drive also. I figure that one more Spitfire guy on the list to answer all my questions will result in less questions for the rest of you from me. What say ye, can I have a second? Charlie's email is cdarrow2 at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 09:48:40 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 11:48:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I second the nomination....Spits are coming on strong even in my car club..great ! On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:37 AM, SCOTT JANZEN wrote: > Great guys- father and son team- raced with them at VIR, Millville and > PIRC this weekend. Quick, too Welcome! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 15, 2012, at 8:09 PM, marty sukey wrote: > > > I would like to nominate a fellow Spitfire driver Charlie Darrow. I met > > Charlie at Mid-Ohio last month and ran into him again this weekend at > Beaver > > Run (PIRC). Charlie has a well prepared Mk3 Spit and knows how to drive > also. > > I figure that one more Spitfire guy on the list to answer all my > questions > > will result in less questions for the rest of you from me. What say ye, > can I > > have a second? > > > > > > > > Charlie's email is cdarrow2 at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 16 10:00:03 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:00:03 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Morgan Trophy In-Reply-To: References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801cd636c$1116ff30$3344fd90$@com> A first video. The first time I was scared by my own car, which was equipped with Dunlop racing tires. Maybe the right tire for 48 wire spoke wheels? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2vCqUk4FGE&feature=player_embedded Cheers Chris From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Jul 16 10:29:06 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:29:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have 165-15 Continentals(no longer available) on my street TR-3, but I have an inexpensive bias tire on a stock rim for a spare. This seemed like the best solution for a street car. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Duncan Charlton To: Triumph Friends of Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires I don't think I'd want to drive a TR2 in the rain on bias plies if I had the option of using radial tires instead. Modern tires are much more resistant to hydroplaning (and the Vredesteins on my Morgan Plus 8 are not great in this regard) and I seem to recall that TR3s on original tires don't tolerate sloppy downshifts, which can cause the rear end to lose traction and cause a spin. On the other hand, you could practice 4-wheel drifts... Isn't the spare tire well too small for 165s? My (hazy) recollection is that this is why I kept the original spare in our '56 TR3. Duncan (Texas) On Jul 15, 2012, at 5:54 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Honestly, a set of 165 SR 15 radial tires is the only way to go if you drive > the car on any regular basis. > > They last longer, they turn better, they have far better straight ahead > stability, are far more puncture resistant, and most importantly, they stop > much better. > > Bias ply tires are for Pebble Beach show cars that never get driven. > > Terry Stetler. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 16 10:40:24 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: References: <8CF316BCAAEF536-1010-A8991@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF3188D4DCCAAF-1010-AD661@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Marty! I was thinking it might have been you that did the organIzing, at MOTRAH, but was afraid to say. "MOTRAH" came about because I was afraid to commit to our Triumph as a single marque event. This time, WE ARE IT. And Bob Lang will return to defend his title. BTW, there has been no discussion with ROAD AMERICA regarding the use of the GO-KART TRACK in the MOTOPLEX AREA. When we determine that we want to do this and have an organizer in place, we can discuss this with Road America. I would see this as not being exclusive to Triumphs. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: marty sukey To: Joe Alexander Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 11:27 am Subject: RE: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ It was a MOTRAH (Morgan Triumph AH) event and I believe it was the Morgan group that organized the autocross. Tony kicked rear at the event but I believe it was our Bob Lang that took FTD, in a loaner car no less. Marty > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:12:32 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ > > FOT: > > RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS > > While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I was reminded that we > ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. > > It was a huge success with both the race car guys and especially the street > car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony Drews ran FASTEST TIME > OF THE DAY. > > If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It will mean a fair amount > of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA personnel. We might also seek > some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs associated with this > proposed event. > > We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard core AUTOCROSSER among the > FOT LIST. > > My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last time. This only goes to > show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to want to do it. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From Triosan at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 11:08:43 2012 From: Triosan at gmail.com (Triosan at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:08:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Finally no longer a novice -- and near disaster Message-ID: I finally completed three novice level races with the northwest International Conference of Sports Car Clubs [ICSSC] this last weekend in Spokane. IT was a four day affair. First day was tenst and tune. I went out in first session, re-learned the track and decided to call it a day. The TR6 is "contentious" as the license director called it. I call it "Fragile". I call my ram "Wacamole Racing" given an issue always seems to pop up. Sure enough, next day go out for practice of race one, and the clutch penal stays at the floor in turn 6. Limp back to pits, leaking clutch fluid out the bottom of the tranny. Have to pull the tranny to see the problem as I have one of those linear throw out bearings with an input hose going into the hole where the old clutch fork goes on the drivers side, and out to a bled line from the other hole. Looked at the throwout bearing and it appeared to be leaking from the seal. Took the bearing apart and indeed the seal looked very rough. It was a wide square cut o-ring. Had doubts about finding a replacement in Spokane at noon on Friday, but someone recommended a source [Brown Bearing], and when the guy measured it is response was "how many"? Had to love that. Got back, reassembled everything, installed tranny with a couple of bolts in, and then tested it only to find the leak as bad as before. So much for assumptions of a problem without a thorough test. Took it out tranny and bearing out again, hooked up the clutch lines, added fluid, and watched it flow out of the cut in the bleed line. Seems this [new to me tranny as of last week] has a very sharp edge on the inside of exit hole. Now I had to find a replacement hose. Again the good folks of ICSSC recommended a place in Spokane called "House of Hose". Got there about 3 and they made up a hose quite quickly. By the time I go the car running again it was too late to take that day's novice race. If only I had one one more TnT session this would have been avoided. The next day went well, decent practice and qualifying, and a verf fun and satisfying race. I ended up 4th out of 12, as some attrition took out three cars ahead of me. That was my third novice race, so I took a [good, well written and useful] upgrade test. Passed, and so could race Sunday with my Group2 peers]. This group has a class for Porsche 944s, spec miata, club spec miata, and cf production. My prepped to 1969 C-prod specs runs as E-Prod. I am the only one in that class. I qualified next to last, though knew I was faster than the two Miata's ahead of me. Then came the race. For 10 laps I followed a Miata I could have passed on either of the straights at any time, but chose to follow as he was faster in the corners. I learned a lot about how he did it bu following close as we corned. On the 10th lap I passed on the front straight. Took the sweeper at the end better than I had all weekend, and headed uphill towards turn three. Upon arriving there, and shifting from 3rd to 4th at 6000 rpm, near disaster struck. The steering wheel came out in my hands, being no longer attached to the u-joint in the Borgson steering assemble. Panic, off track right, up a sandy hill, parallel to the track and aimed straight at an elevated turn station. The eyes of the flagger grew wide. Fortunately the terrain was such I dug a trench and the wheels turned to the right and acted like snow plows, so I stopped in time. I installed the steering system 3 years ago, and never gave it another thought. What happened is the grub screw and nut that holds the splines in the u-joint backed out and disappeared. So now, in the vein of "don't be beaten by equipment" I will Locktite the grub screws, safety wire them, and add a spacer on the shaft between the ujoint and the firewall that will stop the shaft from moving even if there are no screws in the shaft. From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 16 11:13:36 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:13:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <009601cd6356$3e9baf20$bbd30d60$@net> References: <20120716000402.EC7C22D099E@autox.team.net>, , <20120716072205.AA8502D0DB4@autox.team.net>, <009601cd6356$3e9baf20$bbd30d60$@net> Message-ID: When I was racing my TR-3 it was always with the 48 spoke wheels the others were not allowed. I'd break two or three ever race and every prictice. Got pretty good at replacing them quickly without dismounting the tires. It is just not a big deal. Steet driving on 48 spokers? they'll probably last another fifty years. It wasn't until I started using sticky recaps that I had the spoke problem. Never be beaten by equipment > From: tarch at bellsouth.net > To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:23:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > Back in the mid 80's I vintage raced an Austin Healy 100-4 with Michelin X > tires and 48 spoke wheels. The drifting was exciting but we lost a lot of > time in the turns. When I switched to wider, stickier tires, the outside > wheels quickly became 18 spoke wheels. > > My observation: better tires require more spokes. I couldn't resist the > temptation so I switched to 72 spokes which performed flawlessly. > > And, of course, I drove the car to and from the track. > > Richard Taylor > TR-4 #196 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Tony Drews > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:30 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > If we're looking at 5.5" wide wheels, I doubt we're talking stock rims. > > Tony > > At 08:05 PM 7/15/2012, Terry Stetler wrote: > >Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? > Hence > >it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels > >of a stock TR-2. > > > >We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? > > > >Terry Stetler. > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon Jul 16 11:55:55 2012 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] valve cover gaskets TR4 Message-ID: <1342461355.9938.YahooMailNeo@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I know there have been treads about the trick nice valve cover gaskets on thie forum. Please contact me off line about them. thanks Mike From list at mackenzie.aero Mon Jul 16 11:51:33 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:51:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <8CF316BCAAEF536-1010-A8991@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF316BCAAEF536-1010-A8991@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000c01cd637b$a402da30$ec088e90$@aero> I would be happy to assist in any way that I can. Frankly; I do not have the time to volunteer as the lead event organizer but I am very good at gathering sponsorship. Count me in. Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '62 Spitfire 4 (race/autoX) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:13 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ FOT: RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I was reminded that we ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. It was a huge success with both the race car guys and especially the street car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony Drews ran FASTEST TIME OF THE DAY. If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It will mean a fair amount of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA personnel. We might also seek some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs associated with this proposed event. We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard core AUTOCROSSER among the FOT LIST. My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last time. This only goes to show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to want to do it. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 16 12:15:46 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:15:46 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com> I feel a little race is coming on: Started on pole, missed it (as usual when I'm on pole), but managed to become 2nd overall and first in class: http://youtu.be/J0lz_fYtCv0 Cheers Chris From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 16 12:46:09 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <000c01cd637b$a402da30$ec088e90$@aero> References: <8CF316BCAAEF536-1010-A8991@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> <000c01cd637b$a402da30$ec088e90$@aero> Message-ID: <8CF319A65C19EB4-1010-B0CA4@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Excellent! Bob Lang has volunteered to take a leadership role. I assume Bob has already taken your name down and will be in touch My job will be to provide a contact at Road America who may accept our proposal to add this to our Kastner Cup events. Things will likely have changed since we last did this. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert MacKenzie To: 'Joe Alexander' ; fot Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 1:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ I would be happy to assist in any way that I can. Frankly; I do not have the time to volunteer as the lead event organizer but I am very good at gathering sponsorship. Count me in. Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '62 Spitfire 4 (race/autoX) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:13 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ FOT: RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I was reminded that we ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. It was a huge success with both the race car guys and especially the street car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony Drews ran FASTEST TIME OF THE DAY. If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It will mean a fair amount of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA personnel. We might also seek some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs associated with this proposed event. We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard core AUTOCROSSER among the FOT LIST. My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last time. This only goes to show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to want to do it. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 16 13:28:46 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:28:46 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Morgan 4-cylinder race References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002c01cd6389$39667de0$ac3379a0$@com> This one is on Dunlop racings - 6 year old tires with much used....borrowed for this race. Watch out for the SLR cars: http://youtu.be/nvMGqXXWFuQ Chris From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 16 14:13:31 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:13:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: References: <20120716000402.EC7C22D099E@autox.team.net>, , <20120716072205.AA8502D0DB4@autox.team.net>, <009601cd6356$3e9baf20$bbd30d60$@net>, Message-ID: fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] TR2 Tires Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:13:36 +0000 When I was racing my TR-3 it was always with the 48 spoke wheels the others were not allowed. I'd break two or three ever race and every prictice. Got pretty good at replacing them quickly without dismounting the tires. It is just not a big deal. Steet driving on 48 spokers? they'll probably last another fifty years. It wasn't until I started using sticky recaps that I had the spoke problem. Never be beaten by equipment > From: tarch at bellsouth.net > To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:23:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > Back in the mid 80's I vintage raced an Austin Healy 100-4 with Michelin X > tires and 48 spoke wheels. The drifting was exciting but we lost a lot of > time in the turns. When I switched to wider, stickier tires, the outside > wheels quickly became 18 spoke wheels. > > My observation: better tires require more spokes. I couldn't resist the > temptation so I switched to 72 spokes which performed flawlessly. > > And, of course, I drove the car to and from the track. > > Richard Taylor > TR-4 #196 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Tony Drews > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:30 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > If we're looking at 5.5" wide wheels, I doubt we're talking stock rims. > > Tony > > At 08:05 PM 7/15/2012, Terry Stetler wrote: > >Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? > Hence > >it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels > >of a stock TR-2. > > > >We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? > > > >Terry Stetler. > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 16 15:10:59 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] valve cover gaskets TR4 In-Reply-To: <1342461355.9938.YahooMailNeo@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1342461355.9938.YahooMailNeo@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CF31AEA1EB2304-1010-B3F37@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> the best in the business is fot justin wagner, but job demands and a new house has kept him away from his molds. there is a guy from iowa that sells on ebay. lower cost, but after having justin's it isnt the same. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mehl To: Triumph Friends of Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 3:50 pm Subject: [Fot] valve cover gaskets TR4 I know there have been treads about the trick nice valve cover gaskets on thie forum. Please contact me off line about them. thanks Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 16 15:36:47 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:36:47 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <1342473156.34607.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: , <1342473156.34607.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, I ran the wires as they were that 1/2" wider than the steel wheels. they were a LOT heavier what with wire wheel adapter and knock-off hub. I would probably have been faster with the discs but the wires looked very cool and when you are in your 20's, cool is it!. Actually with the way I was always pitching the car I doubt the steel disc would have lasted very long and the spokes would break and give you a change to recover, but when disc breaks, you are gone. Never be beaten by equipment Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:12:36 -0700 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires To: tarch at bellsouth.net; tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net; kaskas at cox.net Kas: Am I coorrect in assuming that you used the wire wheels because they were 1/2" wider than the stock steel wheels? Surely they must weigh the same, if not a bit more tham steel wheels. -Ed- --- On Mon, 7/16/12, Kas Kastner wrote: From: Kas Kastner Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires To: "Richard Taylor" , tony at tonydrews.com, "fot" Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 12:13 PM When I was racing my TR-3 it was always with the 48 spoke wheels the others were not allowed. I'd break two or three ever race and every prictice. Got pretty good at replacing them quickly without dismounting the tires. It is just not a big deal. Steet driving on 48 spokers? they'll probably last another fifty years. It wasn't until I started using sticky recaps that I had the spoke problem. Never be beaten by equipment > From: tarch at bellsouth.net > To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:23:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > Back in the mid 80's I vintage raced an Austin Healy 100-4 with Michelin X > tires and 48 spoke wheels. The drifting was exciting but we lost a lot of > time in the turns. When I switched to wider, stickier tires, the outside > wheels quickly became 18 spoke wheels. > > My observation: better tires require more spokes. I couldn't resist the > temptation so I switched to 72 spokes which performed flawlessly. > > And, of course, I drove the car to and from the track. > > Richard Taylor > TR-4 #196 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team..net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Tony Drews > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:30 AM > To: fot at autox.team..net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > If we're looking at 5.5" wide wheels, I doubt we're talking stock rims. > > Tony > > At 08:05 PM 7/15/2012, Terry Stetler wrote: > >Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? > Hence > >it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels > >of a stock TR-2. > > > >We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? > > > >Terry Stetler. > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Jul 16 15:41:14 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:41:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Assen Morgan Trophy In-Reply-To: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000801cd636c$1116ff30$3344fd90$@com> References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000801cd636c$1116ff30$3344fd90$@com> Message-ID: Wow, great car control skills sir. The rain is, different. Thanks for sharing the video. Terry Stetler From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Jul 16 15:12:36 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1342473156.34607.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Kas: Am I coorrect in assuming that you used the wire wheels because they were 1/2" wider than the stock steel wheels? Surely they must weigh the same, if not a bit more tham steel wheels. -Ed- --- On Mon, 7/16/12, Kas Kastner wrote: From: Kas Kastner Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires To: "Richard Taylor" , tony at tonydrews.com, "fot" Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 12:13 PM When I was racing my TR-3 it was always with the 48 spoke wheels the others were not allowed. I'd break two or three ever race and every prictice. Got pretty good at replacing them quickly without dismounting the tires. It is just not a big deal. Steet driving on 48 spokers? they'll probably last another fifty years. It wasn't until I started using sticky recaps that I had the spoke problem. Never be beaten by equipment > From: tarch at bellsouth.net > To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:23:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > Back in the mid 80's I vintage raced an Austin Healy 100-4 with Michelin X > tires and 48 spoke wheels. The drifting was exciting but we lost a lot of > time in the turns. When I switched to wider, stickier tires, the outside > wheels quickly became 18 spoke wheels. > > My observation: better tires require more spokes. I couldn't resist the > temptation so I switched to 72 spokes which performed flawlessly. > > And, of course, I drove the car to and from the track. > > Richard Taylor > TR-4 #196 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Tony Drews > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:30 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > If we're looking at 5.5" wide wheels, I doubt we're talking stock rims. > > Tony > > At 08:05 PM 7/15/2012, Terry Stetler wrote: > >Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? > Hence > >it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels > >of a stock TR-2. > > > >We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? > > > >Terry Stetler. > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 16 16:05:40 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:05:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: Amici, I have another Spitfire driver to nominate, Rich Johnson. He races a Spitfire 1500 at Waterford Hills. His email is: johnson.richard_johnsor1 at gene.com Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 16 16:10:49 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:10:49 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Morgan Trophy In-Reply-To: References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000801cd636c$1116ff30$3344fd90$@com> Message-ID: <005601cd639f$df861a30$9e924e90$@com> Thank you Sir.was the naked will to survive J Chris Von: Terry Stetler [mailto:tlizzard at msn.com] Gesendet: Montag, 16. Juli 2012 23:41 An: 'Triumph Friends of'; MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Assen Morgan Trophy Wow, great car control skills sir. The rain is, different. Thanks for sharing the video. Terry Stetler From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 16 19:01:45 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] valve cover gaskets TR4 Justin Wagner In-Reply-To: <8CF31AEA1EB2304-1010-B3F37@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> References: <1342461355.9938.YahooMailNeo@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CF31AEA1EB2304-1010-B3F37@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF31CEDE79EA2A-1010-B55CD@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> if i could talk justin into an order of 10 or so, i could get them and pass them on at cost. we could use one a year ago.....so that's one. the last time i talked to him he was 'on location' at a movie and very busy. like Sean Alexander said a few minutes ago, there just is no better way. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: mike.mehl ; fot Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:43 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] valve cover gaskets TR4 the best in the business is fot justin wagner, but job demands and a new house has kept him away from his molds. there is a guy from iowa that sells on ebay. lower cost, but after having justin's it isnt the same. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mehl To: Triumph Friends of Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 3:50 pm Subject: [Fot] valve cover gaskets TR4 I know there have been treads about the trick nice valve cover gaskets on thie forum. Please contact me off line about them. thanks Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Jul 16 19:34:48 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:34:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics Message-ID: <5004C138.7050201@comcast.net> I'm trying to wrap up my article for the local Triumph club newsletter this month and am reporting on the Portland historic race results. There is a red number 15 Triumph listed in Group 2 with no drivers name or model attached. Any idea who or what car this was? Thanks in advance. From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jul 16 19:48:26 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:48:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Assen Morgan Trophy In-Reply-To: <000801cd636c$1116ff30$3344fd90$@com> References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000801cd636c$1116ff30$3344fd90$@com> Message-ID: Wow. Dunlops on a wet track. You'd be good at Ice Racing! :) Tony At 11:00 AM 7/16/2012, MadMarx wrote: >A first video. >The first time I was scared by my own car, which was equipped with Dunlop >racing tires. >Maybe the right tire for 48 wire spoke wheels? > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2vCqUk4FGE&feature=player_embedded > >Cheers >Chris From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jul 16 19:50:31 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:50:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <8CF316BCAAEF536-1010-A8991@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF316BCAAEF536-1010-A8991@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I came in 2nd - my throttle was sticking (at least that's the excuse I'm going with) and Bob Lang managed to beat me. I never did get that bottle of wine that was the "trophy". Very cool to have that going along with the race. Tony At 08:12 AM 7/16/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >FOT: > >RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS > >While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I was reminded that we >ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. > >It was a huge success with both the race car guys and especially the street >car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony Drews ran FASTEST TIME >OF THE DAY. > >If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It will mean a fair amount >of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA personnel. We might also seek >some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs associated with this >proposed event. > >We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard core AUTOCROSSER among the >FOT LIST. > >My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last time. This only goes to >show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to want to do it. > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Jul 16 22:16:52 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 04:16:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <20120717033556.032672D1295@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1756317145.2230750.1342498612657.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Congrats for 2nd, Tony. And, to Bob for the win. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "Joe Alexander" , fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 6:50:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ I came in 2nd - my throttle was sticking (at least that's the excuse I'm going with) and Bob Lang managed to beat me. I never did get that bottle of wine that was the "trophy". Very cool to have that going along with the race. Tony At 08:12 AM 7/16/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >FOT: > >RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS > >While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I was reminded that we >ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. > >It was a huge success with both the race car guys and especially the street >car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony Drews ran FASTEST TIME >OF THE DAY. > >If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It will mean a fair amount >of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA personnel. We might also seek >some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs associated with this >proposed event. > >We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard core AUTOCROSSER among the >FOT LIST. > >My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last time. This only goes to >show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to want to do it. > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Jul 16 22:14:18 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 04:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition In-Reply-To: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com> Message-ID: <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Amazing drive as usual, Chris. I watched the whole thing and forgot what I was really supposed to be doing. It looked like first place to me. Great stuff and thanks for sharing the vids. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "Triumph Friends of" Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:15:46 AM Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition I feel a little race is coming on: Started on pole, missed it (as usual when I'm on pole), but managed to become 2nd overall and first in class: http://youtu.be/J0lz_fYtCv0 Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 17 04:04:08 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:04:08 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition In-Reply-To: <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com> <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <003e01cd6403$830eb0f0$892c12d0$@com> And race 2: http://youtu.be/Yv3HSdGFN40 _____ From: "MadMarx" < tr4racing at googlemail.com> To: "Triumph Friends of" < fot at autox.team.net> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:15:46 AM Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition I feel a little race is coming on: Started on pole, missed it (as usual when I'm on pole), but managed to become 2nd overall and first in class: http://youtu.be/J0lz_fYtCv0 Cheers Chris From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Tue Jul 17 04:30:24 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 03:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] RATCO FRAME TR3A Message-ID: <1342521024.90684.YahooMailClassic@web162203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Dear patient friends, Sooo do to another off course excursion at the hawk we now now need a new frame and a bunch of sheetmetal. I have heard good things about the RATCO chassis but am on the fence about converting to R&P. Within the R&P question is another questio? Early TR4 or late? Which rack will work best with what steering and suspension componants to produce the least bump steer? I am by no means a TR expert and not sure what works with what. I can't seem to get the forums or archives to work to see what has been written in the past. Thanks Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Tue Jul 17 04:38:34 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 03:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <20120717033603.0001D2D12E8@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1342521514.13171.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Knocking over cones is easier on the car and mechanic than glancing off concrete barriers. Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Tue, 7/17/12, Tony Drews wrote: > From: Tony Drews > Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ > To: "Joe Alexander" , fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 1:50 AM > I came in 2nd - my throttle was > sticking (at least that's the excuse > I'm going with) and Bob Lang managed to beat me. I > never did get > that bottle of wine that was the "trophy". Very cool > to have that > going along with the race. > > Tony > > At 08:12 AM 7/16/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: > >FOT: > > > >RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 > SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS > > > >While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I > was reminded that we > >ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. > > > >It was a huge success with both the race car guys and > especially the street > >car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony > Drews ran FASTEST TIME > >OF THE DAY. > > > >If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It > will mean a fair amount > >of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA > personnel. We might also seek > >some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs > associated with this > >proposed event. > > > >We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard > core AUTOCROSSER among the > >FOT LIST. > > > >My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last > time. This only goes to > >show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to > want to do it. > > > > > >Joe Alexander > >A. R. E. > >645 1st Street > >Jesup, Iowa 50648 > >319.464.4711 (cell) > >n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com From mmoore at wave1.net Tue Jul 17 06:23:22 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 08:23:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing license Message-ID: <002201cd6416$f53546e0$df9fd4a0$@net> I bought Gary Horstkorta's TR4 from California and brought it home a few weeks ago. I need some advice on getting my license. I live in Erie, PA so I am 3-4 hours from Mid-Ohio and Watkins Glen. Do I go through SVRA or another vintage organization? What driving school should I use (Barber, Mid-Ohio, etc). Basically not sure where to start. I have been running HPDE days for 2 years now, so I am ready for next step. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 17 06:51:41 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 05:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1342529501.58019.YahooMailNeo@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici, I have another Spitfire driver to nominate, Rich Johnson. He races a Spitfire 1500 at Waterford Hills. His email is: Busterwcr at aol.com Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Jul 17 07:13:49 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:13:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <1342521514.13171.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <20120717033603.0001D2D12E8@autox.team.net>, <1342521514.13171.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes the cones are soft. However, sometimes there are concrete fill steel poles lurking behind those cones. Hit one of those and you will write a car off pretty quick. Not that I have done that or anything.... :) Marty > Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 03:38:34 -0700 > From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net; tony at tonydrews.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ > > Knocking over cones is easier on the car and mechanic than glancing off > concrete barriers. > Guy Morter > Vintage Auto Service > 262 573 4511 > > Flatheads Forever! From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 17 07:18:13 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:18:13 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition References: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com> <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <007b01cd641e$9fae2900$df0a7b00$@com> Seems the link was dead: http://youtu.be/RC-dFW-R_p4 Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Juli 2012 12:04 An: 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: AW: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition And race 2: _____ From: "MadMarx" < tr4racing at googlemail.com> To: "Triumph Friends of" < fot at autox.team.net> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:15:46 AM Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition I feel a little race is coming on: Started on pole, missed it (as usual when I'm on pole), but managed to become 2nd overall and first in class: http://youtu.be/J0lz_fYtCv0 Cheers Chris From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 17 09:03:06 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:03:06 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Racing license In-Reply-To: <002201cd6416$f53546e0$df9fd4a0$@net> References: <002201cd6416$f53546e0$df9fd4a0$@net> Message-ID: <008d01cd642d$49620940$dc261bc0$@com> I have a Skip Barber book. Good book, so maybe the school is also good? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mike Moore Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Juli 2012 14:23 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Racing license I bought Gary Horstkorta's TR4 from California and brought it home a few weeks ago. I need some advice on getting my license. I live in Erie, PA so I am 3-4 hours from Mid-Ohio and Watkins Glen. Do I go through SVRA or another vintage organization? What driving school should I use (Barber, Mid-Ohio, etc). Basically not sure where to start. I have been running HPDE days for 2 years now, so I am ready for next step. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jul 17 09:15:52 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:15:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <009701cd642f$0e8e74f0$2bab5ed0$@rr.com> Second....................Always room for another Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Doug Mitchell Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 8:52 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: busterwcr at aol.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination Amici, I have another Spitfire driver to nominate, Rich Johnson. He races a Spitfire 1500 at Waterford Hills. His email is: Busterwcr at aol.com Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jul 17 09:47:49 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:47:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <1342521514.13171.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <20120717033603.0001D2D12E8@autox.team.net> <1342521514.13171.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: And easier on them than getting center punched in the right side on Friday and Left rear on Saturday at Mid Ohio John H. 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Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Tue, 7/17/12, Tony Drews wrote: > From: Tony Drews > Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE > AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ > To: "Joe Alexander" , fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 1:50 AM > I came in 2nd - my throttle was > sticking (at least that's the excuse > I'm going with) and Bob Lang managed to beat me. I never did get that > bottle of wine that was the "trophy". Very cool to have that going > along with the race. > > Tony > > At 08:12 AM 7/16/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: > >FOT: > > > >RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 > SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS > > > >While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I > was reminded that we > >ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. > > > >It was a huge success with both the race car guys and > especially the street > >car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony > Drews ran FASTEST TIME > >OF THE DAY. > > > >If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It > will mean a fair amount > >of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA > personnel. We might also seek > >some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs > associated with this > >proposed event. > > > >We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard > core AUTOCROSSER among the > >FOT LIST. > > > >My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last > time. This only goes to > >show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to > want to do it. > > > > > >Joe Alexander > >A. R. E. > >645 1st Street > >Jesup, Iowa 50648 > >319.464.4711 (cell) > >n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Tue Jul 17 10:13:22 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Need a TR3 Frame Message-ID: <1342541602.23989.YahooMailClassic@web162205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Just got off the phone with Tony at RATCO. 6-8 week delivery $4350 + and estimated $600 shipping. Anyone got a frame to sell? We want to be at the fall vintage at RA. Gracias! Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 17 10:39:43 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:39:43 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 In-Reply-To: References: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com>, <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, <007b01cd641e$9fae2900$df0a7b00$@com> Message-ID: <00a201cd643a$c71511e0$553f35a0$@com> I think this is one of my best races. I took my secret gun to town. I had no chance against the yellow TR 3 and the rusty TR 250 (you read right  the car has no paint) so I thought.now it is time to remove the air cleaners to gain some power. And it paid off. http://youtu.be/YnqwyIe8JrQ Chris From tr4.tony at virgin.net Tue Jul 17 10:36:15 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:36:15 +0100 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <1342521514.13171.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1342521514.13171.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <91BFA240-99AD-4C12-AF11-A485426215F3@virgin.net> Well I can vouch for that too - a good cage with sidebars and a properly strengthened chassis means that you can still get a podium after a tickling a few metal posts, even with the front suspension only held on at the top and by the the ARB link .... I wondered why I had to deploy a little more lock that day. Sent from my iPhone On 17 Jul 2012, at 11:38, Guy Morter wrote: > Knocking over cones is easier on the car and mechanic than glancing off > concrete barriers. > Guy Morter > Vintage Auto Service > 262 573 4511 > > Flatheads Forever! > > > --- On Tue, 7/17/12, Tony Drews wrote: > >> From: Tony Drews >> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ > KART TRACK??/ >> To: "Joe Alexander" , fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 1:50 AM >> I came in 2nd - my throttle was >> sticking (at least that's the excuse >> I'm going with) and Bob Lang managed to beat me. I >> never did get >> that bottle of wine that was the "trophy". Very cool >> to have that >> going along with the race. >> >> Tony >> >> At 08:12 AM 7/16/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >>> FOT: >>> >>> RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 >> SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS >>> >>> While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I >> was reminded that we >>> ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. >>> >>> It was a huge success with both the race car guys and >> especially the street >>> car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony >> Drews ran FASTEST TIME >>> OF THE DAY. >>> >>> If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It >> will mean a fair amount >>> of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA >> personnel. We might also seek >>> some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs >> associated with this >>> proposed event. >>> >>> We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard >> core AUTOCROSSER among the >>> FOT LIST. >>> >>> My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last >> time. This only goes to >>> show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to >> want to do it. >>> >>> >>> Joe Alexander >>> A. R. E. >>> 645 1st Street >>> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >>> 319.464.4711 (cell) >>> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From horizonracing at msn.com Tue Jul 17 11:38:40 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:38:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire h/gasket question Message-ID: Hi All, So, a street spit gets towed into my shop...new engine, unable to start ! I get it run ...well kinda, so I remove the cylinder head and find the Flame ring from the head gasket has been forced into the bores on cyl.;s 1 and 2 (now looks like a heart shape). This engine has the recesses in the block. The gasket does have the "Tab"(looks like a "county" gasket was used) , so I believe the correct gasket . Flat top pistons (+ 020 ) . What else should I look for ?Block surface is flat as is the head. The combustion chamber is is 500 thou deep to the valve, so compression is not an issue. What should the depth of the recess be ? perhaps these were re machined ? Thank you Tony Garmeywww.horizonracing.com From gasket.works at gte.net Tue Jul 17 12:38:50 2012 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:38:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] spitfire h/gasket question Message-ID: <850256380-1342550334-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-21977879-@b26.c8.bise6.blackberry> I've made copper rings to fit these recesses. They stood proud of the deck by a small amount and pressed into the gasket. ------Original Message------ From: Tony and Annie Garmey Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: FOT Subject: [Fot] spitfire h/gasket question Sent: Jul 17, 2012 1:38 PM Hi All, So, a street spit gets towed into my shop...new engine, unable to start ! I get it run ...well kinda, so I remove the cylinder head and find the Flame ring from the head gasket has been forced into the bores on cyl.;s 1 and 2 (now looks like a heart shape). This engine has the recesses in the block. The gasket does have the "Tab"(looks like a "county" gasket was used) , so I believe the correct gasket . Flat top pistons (+ 020 ) . What else should I look for ?Block surface is flat as is the head. The combustion chamber is is 500 thou deep to the valve, so compression is not an issue. What should the depth of the recess be ? perhaps these were re machined ? Thank you Tony Garmeywww.horizonracing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From list at mackenzie.aero Tue Jul 17 13:31:51 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:31:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] spitfire h/gasket question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001801cd6452$d1572ea0$74058be0$@aero> Tony: What you have described is quite common. I have had to change many head gaskets on my (and my friends) Spits and found the same scenario. They seem to run for a while then just give up for no real reason. The only gasket to consider is the one made by Payen. They seem to be the only ones that last. Some of the others will have the copper crush seals that fit into the recesses but never seal as well. Some of the paper or copper coated paper gaskets that are floating around, often made in India, are only good if the engine is an earlier block without the recess or has been skimmed. In that case I would go for a pure copper one anyway. In my humble opinion you should replace the head studs while the head is off. Stretched studs are the main cause of head gasket failures. At $5-$7 each that are not cheap but still cheaper than replacing the head gasket again after a few heat cycles. [Trust me on this...] Also pay particular attention to the torque sequence and go up in small steps. I hope this helps. Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony and Annie Garmey Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:39 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] spitfire h/gasket question Hi All, So, a street spit gets towed into my shop...new engine, unable to start ! I get it run ...well kinda, so I remove the cylinder head and find the Flame ring from the head gasket has been forced into the bores on cyl.;s 1 and 2 (now looks like a heart shape). This engine has the recesses in the block. The gasket does have the "Tab"(looks like a "county" gasket was used) , so I believe the correct gasket . Flat top pistons (+ 020 ) . What else should I look for ?Block surface is flat as is the head. The combustion chamber is is 500 thou deep to the valve, so compression is not an issue. What should the depth of the recess be ? perhaps these were re machined ? Thank you Tony Garmeywww.horizonracing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Tue Jul 17 13:34:14 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Stalled TR3 -4 Project Message-ID: <1342553654.92347.YahooMailClassic@web162205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Russ Moore can up with a suggestion for my frame dilemma. Maybe someone knows about a stalled project that has a RATCO frame and the owner is ready to surrender. Any thoughts out there? Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! From bkahler1 at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 14:09:23 2012 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:09:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 3/4 Mallory dual point - 4 sale Message-ID: Amici, I've got a Mallory dual point that we pulled off of a street TR4 for sale. I figured I would offer it here first before putting it on eBay. Contact me off list if interested. Thanks, Brad From cofrog at q.com Tue Jul 17 14:27:24 2012 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 In-Reply-To: <00a201cd643a$c71511e0$553f35a0$@com> Message-ID: <297461286.50439.1342556844818.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Glad you didn't trade paint! Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:39:43 AM Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 I think this is one of my best races. I took my secret gun to town. I had no chance against the yellow TR 3 and the rusty TR 250 (you read right B the car has no paint) so I thought.now it is time to remove the air cleaners to gain some power. And it paid off. http://youtu.be/YnqwyIe8JrQ Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Jul 17 14:35:45 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:35:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MORE spitfire h/gasket question In-Reply-To: <001801cd6452$d1572ea0$74058be0$@aero> References: , <001801cd6452$d1572ea0$74058be0$@aero> Message-ID: Ah perfect timing for this subject as I am getting ready to start on my next Spitfire engine project. Grenade number 2 if you will. I will be making another attempt at a MK3 1296. A while ago it was suggested to me that I counter bore the face of the block to accept a later head gasket out of the 1500 engines. That they would hold up better than the non-recessed earlier gaskets. If this is indeed the path to take, does anybody happen to have the dimensions (depth and diameter) of the recess on a 1500 spit engine? Opinions/suggestions welcome :) Marty From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jul 17 14:38:21 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 20:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racing license In-Reply-To: <002201cd6416$f53546e0$df9fd4a0$@net> Message-ID: <614391819.1968746.1342557501482.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Mike, Most VintageB clubs have one school per year, some have two. You should first look for the club that suits you or your location. Then make sure the car is legal for that club. Not all FoT cars are legal everywhere or so I'm told. I would get in touch withB the club you choose and see what they suggest for schools. Our club, RMVR insists that even if you arrive with an SCCA, NASA or even FIA license you still have to do their school so they can drive home the " no contact " rules and the whole vintatge spitirit thing. I think most schools around the country can include some vintageB instruction in the classroom work on an individual basis thus making you elegible for a vintage license. The place to start is really with the club you choose to run in. You may even find a driver instructor within that club that can get it done. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 6:23:22 AM Subject: [Fot] Racing license I bought Gary Horstkorta's TR4 from California and brought it home a few weeks ago. B I need some advice on getting my license. I live in Erie, PA so I am 3-4 hours from Mid-Ohio and Watkins Glen. B Do I go through SVRA or another vintage organization? What driving school should I use (Barber, Mid-Ohio, etc). B Basically not sure where to start. B I have been running HPDE days for 2 years now, so I am ready for next step. B Thanks Mike B Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 B Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103 Fax: B B B B 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 17 14:56:22 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Wagner Valve Cover Gasket- Message-ID: <8CF3275C15A3192-EFC-D8EE@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Tooling has been essentially mothballed in a warehouse for the time being. No new gaskets will be available in the near term. I tried with an offer of buying 10 to pass on at cost. We could use one or two. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From markvaden at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 15:31:14 2012 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:31:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 In-Reply-To: <00a201cd643a$c71511e0$553f35a0$@com> References: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com> <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <007b01cd641e$9fae2900$df0a7b00$@com> <00a201cd643a$c71511e0$553f35a0$@com> Message-ID: Chris, I really enjoyed your pass at around the 15 minute mark. What happened to the tr250 at the end? -Mark On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:39 AM, MadMarx wrote: > I think this is one of my best races. > > > > I took my secret gun to town. I had no chance against the yellow TR 3 and > the rusty TR 250 (you read right the car has no paint) so I thought .now > it is time to remove the air cleaners to gain some power. And it paid off. > > > > http://youtu.be/YnqwyIe8JrQ > > > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/markvaden at gmail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 17 15:37:39 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 23:37:39 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 In-Reply-To: References: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com> <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <007b01cd641e$9fae2900$df0a7b00$@com> <00a201cd643a$c71511e0$553f35a0$@com> Message-ID: <003801cd6464$65d3d0e0$317b72a0$@com> Mark, the TR 250 locked one of the front brake and went wide but recovered and crossed the finish line behind me. Cheers Chris Von: Mark Vaden [mailto:markvaden at gmail.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Juli 2012 23:31 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 Chris, I really enjoyed your pass at around the 15 minute mark. What happened to the tr250 at the end? -Mark On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:39 AM, MadMarx wrote: I think this is one of my best races. I took my secret gun to town. I had no chance against the yellow TR 3 and the rusty TR 250 (you read right the car has no paint) so I thought .now it is time to remove the air cleaners to gain some power. And it paid off. http://youtu.be/YnqwyIe8JrQ Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/markvaden at gmail.com From bkahler1 at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 16:38:15 2012 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:38:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 3/4 Mallory dual point - 4 sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The distributor has been sold. On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Amici, > > I've got a Mallory dual point that we pulled off of a street TR4 for sale. > I figured I would offer it here first before putting it on eBay. > > Contact me off list if interested. > > Thanks, > > Brad From jason at multivintage.com Tue Jul 17 17:01:38 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:01:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 In-Reply-To: <003801cd6464$65d3d0e0$317b72a0$@com> References: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com> <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <007b01cd641e$9fae2900$df0a7b00$@com> <00a201cd643a$c71511e0$553f35a0$@com> <003801cd6464$65d3d0e0$317b72a0$@com> Message-ID: Great race... Yep definitely one of your best. did you just simply remove the air filters, making no other changes to the fuel mixture? thanks for the show. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:37 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Mark, > > > > the TR 250 locked one of the front brake and went wide but recovered and > crossed the finish line behind me. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > Von: Mark Vaden [mailto:markvaden at gmail.com] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Juli 2012 23:31 > An: MadMarx > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 > > > > Chris, > > > > I really enjoyed your pass at around the 15 minute mark. What happened to > the tr250 at the end? > > > > -Mark > > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:39 AM, MadMarx wrote: > > I think this is one of my best races. > > > > I took my secret gun to town. I had no chance against the yellow TR 3 and > the rusty TR 250 (you read right the car has no paint) so I thought .now > it is time to remove the air cleaners to gain some power. And it paid off. > > > > http://youtu.be/YnqwyIe8JrQ > > > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/markvaden at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 17 21:33:44 2012 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 20:33:44 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 Message-ID: <11561700.1342582425033.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> You were clearly faster than that rust-bucket TR250. That guy was all over the track, blocking and weaving. Congrats on the win, and what an amazing track! In our race club, paint is required on all vehicles. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: MadMarx >Sent: Jul 17, 2012 9:39 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 > >I think this is one of my best races. > > > >I took my secret gun to town. I had no chance against the yellow TR 3 and >the rusty TR 250 (you read right  the car has no paint) so I thought.now >it is time to remove the air cleaners to gain some power. And it paid off. > > > >http://youtu.be/YnqwyIe8JrQ > > > >Chris >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 18 01:52:35 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:52:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 In-Reply-To: <11561700.1342582425033.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <11561700.1342582425033.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001501cd64ba$4cf0b330$e6d21990$@com> Hi Steve, we are required also paint but unfortunately we didn't say it has to be on the outside of the car. At his car all parts are glossy painted from inside. Drivers compartment, engine room, frame and trunk looks like on a concour car. Have a look: http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5800.jpg http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5803.jpg http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5802.jpg The car has so many nice details like the illuminated skull or the sticker. In race 1 + 2 I was beaten by "Genuine stolen parts" which one of the stickers shows. :-) The rat racer turns out to be peoples darling and always crowds build up around this car because of the quality how the "rust" is presented. But we allow only ONE car in this manner. Cheers Chris -----UrsprC References: <11561700.1342582425033.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001501cd64ba$4cf0b330$e6d21990$@com> Message-ID: <9225F52C-0922-4928-AFE0-87F0CF849BF0@virgin.net> Oh Iike that car .... Sent from my iPhone On 18 Jul 2012, at 08:52, "MadMarx" wrote: > Hi Steve, > > we are required also paint but unfortunately we didn't say it has to be on the > outside of the car. > At his car all parts are glossy painted from inside. Drivers compartment, > engine room, frame and trunk looks like on a concour car. > > Have a look: > http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5800.jpg > http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5803.jpg > http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5802.jpg > > The car has so many nice details like the illuminated skull or the sticker. > In race 1 + 2 I was beaten by "Genuine stolen parts" which one of the stickers > shows. :-) > > The rat racer turns out to be peoples darling and always crowds build up > around this car because of the quality how the "rust" is presented. > > But we allow only ONE car in this manner. > > > Cheers > Chris > > -----UrsprC Von: steve [mailto:colordog.1 at earthlink.net] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2012 05:34 > An: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 > > You were clearly faster than that rust-bucket TR250. That guy was all over > the track, blocking and weaving. > Congrats on the win, and what an amazing track! > > In our race club, paint is required on all vehicles. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 06:22:05 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:22:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 In-Reply-To: <9225F52C-0922-4928-AFE0-87F0CF849BF0@virgin.net> References: <11561700.1342582425033.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001501cd64ba$4cf0b330$e6d21990$@com> <9225F52C-0922-4928-AFE0-87F0CF849BF0@virgin.net> Message-ID: Boy, that looks worse than than the Lemons racers cars that we have in the states ! Nice tires and wheels though ! On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 4:18 AM, TR4 Tony wrote: > Oh Iike that car .... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 18 Jul 2012, at 08:52, "MadMarx" wrote: > > > Hi Steve, > > > > we are required also paint but unfortunately we didn't say it has to be > on > the > > outside of the car. > > At his car all parts are glossy painted from inside. Drivers compartment, > > engine room, frame and trunk looks like on a concour car. > > > > Have a look: > > http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5800.jpg > > http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5803.jpg > > http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5802.jpg > > > > The car has so many nice details like the illuminated skull or the > sticker. > > In race 1 + 2 I was beaten by "Genuine stolen parts" which one of the > stickers > > shows. :-) > > > > The rat racer turns out to be peoples darling and always crowds build up > > around this car because of the quality how the "rust" is presented. > > > > But we allow only ONE car in this manner. > > > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > -----UrsprC > Von: steve [mailto:colordog.1 at earthlink.net] > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2012 05:34 > > An: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 > > > > You were clearly faster than that rust-bucket TR250. That guy was all > over > > the track, blocking and weaving. > > Congrats on the win, and what an amazing track! > > > > In our race club, paint is required on all vehicles. > > > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 18 07:03:12 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale Message-ID: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> A M I C I I need your help. My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the past two years. There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add ...and no sale to date. Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? Any suggestions? Thanks Dennis From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Jul 18 08:50:49 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:50:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> The other two TR4's listed along with yours have been on for a long time as well and they are only slighly cheaper. I listed a Datsun 2000 for 24K a few years back and had thousands of views with only a couple of lame inquiries. I ended up selling at 16K and it was in beautiful and race ready condition. You can continue to wait it out or drop the price until the calls start to come in. Bob ---- Dennis DeLap wrote: > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the > past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add > ...and no sale > to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jul 18 09:02:09 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:02:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> References: <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> Message-ID: You might try Bring-a-Trailer or figuring out how to list it for European sale. Always seems to me that pricing is higher in the UK, though perhaps not for a LHD car. On Jul 18, 2012, at 10:50 AM, rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com wrote: The other two TR4's listed along with yours have been on for a long time as well and they are only slighly cheaper. I listed a Datsun 2000 for 24K a few years back and had thousands of views with only a couple of lame inquiries. I ended up selling at 16K and it was in beautiful and race ready condition. You can continue to wait it out or drop the price until the calls start to come in. Bob ---- Dennis DeLap wrote: > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the > past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add > ...and no sale > to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Jul 18 09:19:12 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:19:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> Message-ID: <002101cd64f8$afd8a410$0f89ec30$@rogers.com> Perhaps advertise other places such as the forums for race organizations, ones for TR4s, VTR site, and perhaps UK Triumph sites . I have sold street Triumphs TR8s that went to Belgium and Norway from Canada. I put an ad up on a local internet site, Kijiji.ca and went on forums and sites and posted links to the local Kijiji ad. You would be surprised how it gets around when you do that. Advertising on the race car sites I would think provides too many comparisons and leads to other cars, thus diluting the effect of your ad. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sent: July 18, 2012 10:51 AM To: Dennis DeLap; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale The other two TR4's listed along with yours have been on for a long time as well and they are only slighly cheaper. I listed a Datsun 2000 for 24K a few years back and had thousands of views with only a couple of lame inquiries. I ended up selling at 16K and it was in beautiful and race ready condition. You can continue to wait it out or drop the price until the calls start to come in. Bob ---- Dennis DeLap wrote: > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add ...and no sale to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Jul 18 09:22:32 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:22:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <002101cd64f8$afd8a410$0f89ec30$@rogers.com> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> <002101cd64f8$afd8a410$0f89ec30$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <002201cd64f9$275a8350$760f89f0$@rogers.com> Another way to get good coverage is to write an article on the car for VTR and other Triumph clubs especially those that cater to TR4s, they are usually looking for articles and it builds interest in the uniqueness of your car -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: July 18, 2012 11:19 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale Perhaps advertise other places such as the forums for race organizations, ones for TR4s, VTR site, and perhaps UK Triumph sites . I have sold street Triumphs TR8s that went to Belgium and Norway from Canada. I put an ad up on a local internet site, Kijiji.ca and went on forums and sites and posted links to the local Kijiji ad. You would be surprised how it gets around when you do that. Advertising on the race car sites I would think provides too many comparisons and leads to other cars, thus diluting the effect of your ad. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sent: July 18, 2012 10:51 AM To: Dennis DeLap; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale The other two TR4's listed along with yours have been on for a long time as well and they are only slighly cheaper. I listed a Datsun 2000 for 24K a few years back and had thousands of views with only a couple of lame inquiries. I ended up selling at 16K and it was in beautiful and race ready condition. You can continue to wait it out or drop the price until the calls start to come in. Bob ---- Dennis DeLap wrote: > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add ...and no sale to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Wed Jul 18 11:02:03 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:02:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A43B6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Dennis; Your car looks great & well prepared. But it appears your price is too high, particularly considering the engine has seven race weekends on it. Also, cars that were raced back in the day are worth more than those built to be vintage racers, in other words your car has no vintage race provenance. That does matter to many vintage racers. My neighbor is a dealer, and has always told me that if the phone doesn't ring it's because the price is too high. I have found that to be dead on accurate advice. You're dealing with an extremely small target market, selling a fairly big ticket item basically sight unseen. Forget what you've got into the car. Find what other TR4's are actually selling for (NOT asking price). Lower the price until the phone rings. Ed -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dennis DeLap Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:03 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale A M I C I I need your help. My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the past two years. There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add ...and no sale to date. Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? Any suggestions? Thanks Dennis _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 11:28:43 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:28:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A43B6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A43B6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: Dennis, the car is nice and well prepaired....but the economy is bad and from what I see and hear that things are going to get worse, people right now are holding their money and only a small group are spending it on race cars.Be patient, someone out of the country may be interested. A guy here in town had the same feeling and someone over seas bought his TR-4 and shipped it out of our port. On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Dennis; > > Your car looks great & well prepared. But it appears your price is too > high, > particularly considering the engine has seven race weekends on it. Also, > cars > that were raced back in the day are worth more than those built to be > vintage > racers, in other words your car has no vintage race provenance. That does > matter to many vintage racers. My neighbor is a dealer, and has always > told > me that if the phone doesn't ring it's because the price is too high. I > have > found that to be dead on accurate advice. You're dealing with an extremely > small target market, selling a fairly big ticket item basically sight > unseen. > Forget what you've got into the car. Find what other TR4's are actually > selling for (NOT asking price). Lower the price until the phone rings. > > Ed > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf > Of Dennis DeLap > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:03 AM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the > past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add > ...and no sale > to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jul 18 11:41:31 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:41:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A43B6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <34CF9D24C5594E8EB925153CF21E965F@Bud> Just to butt in a bit.....I'm proud of the fact that my Spitfire has been a race car(SCCA and then vintage) since the early 1970s(except when it was abandoned and then rescued)....When I look at my little Spitfire I see and feel history...racing history that has carried on through my most recent race(2011)... So..it's about me and my car..that special relationship that goes beyond $$. Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Dunn" To: "Dennis DeLap" ; "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > Dennis; > > Your car looks great & well prepared. But it appears your price is too > high, > particularly considering the engine has seven race weekends on it. Also, > cars > that were raced back in the day are worth more than those built to be > vintage > racers, in other words your car has no vintage race provenance. That does > matter to many vintage racers. My neighbor is a dealer, and has always > told > me that if the phone doesn't ring it's because the price is too high. I > have > found that to be dead on accurate advice. You're dealing with an > extremely > small target market, selling a fairly big ticket item basically sight > unseen. > Forget what you've got into the car. Find what other TR4's are actually > selling for (NOT asking price). Lower the price until the phone rings. > > Ed > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf > Of Dennis DeLap > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:03 AM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the > past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add > ...and no sale > to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jul 18 17:54:29 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Circlips needed for Hepolite Powermax Message-ID: <1167204350.74082.1342655669066.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello all, Thinking that circlips are never reused, I tossed some after engine disassembly. Now I find that the round wire type are not easy to come by. Does anyone happen to have a stash of .0625" round wire circlips for 87mm. Hepolite Powermax pistons? Or a source for them? I'd certainly prefer to use a fresh set if possible. btw, the few that I have actually measured closer to .064" and both ends are curled. Thanks, Dave H. From igofaster at att.net Wed Jul 18 19:43:21 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1342662201.96642.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> in the pawnshop business (or any business) ... if you have an inventory problem you have a pricing problem... like, 100 guitars that don't sell (priced too high) or 100 guitars that sold out in a short period (priced too low)... $28,000.00 seems high even for a nice concours TR4.... IMHO... if the car has documented race history with notables... then.... maybe... Triumph(s) owner and Pawn Star of CVAR.... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Dennis DeLap To: FOT Sent: Wed, July 18, 2012 8:03:24 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale A M I C I I need your help. My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the past two years. There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add ...and no sale to date. Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? Any suggestions? Thanks Dennis _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 18 20:48:11 2012 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:48:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire tires Message-ID: It appears that sticky sport radial road tires in 13" sizes suitable for use on Spitfires are getting rare these days. Does anyone have any suggestions of which tires are still available? Thanks, Joe Curry From robertten1 at aol.com Wed Jul 18 21:23:39 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire tires In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF337506413AB5-1AC4-1DB1B@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> Toyo R888 tires, I use them ... great in dry and wet. Difference between these and slicks is that they talk in the turns where slicks talk when beyond their limit. Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry To: 'fot' Sent: Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:48 pm Subject: [Fot] Spitfire tires It appears that sticky sport radial road tires in 13" sizes suitable for use on Spitfires are getting rare these days. Does anyone have any suggestions of which tires are still available? Thanks, Joe Curry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Jul 19 07:20:49 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:20:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <1342662201.96642.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1342662201.96642.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just to add a little to this , as for my car I feel like the car is part of me also and would be hard to part with it, but for the selling point I have taken and aquired alot of racing photos of the car for resale when I get to old to drive it, my kids are all girls and to turn the car over to them when I pass away would be like crushing the car because they wouldn't know what to do with it or could keep it up or running good. This is when I will sell and all the documentation and photos would be a plus to the buyer and they can see what the history and the tracks the car has run at. I think the price is good. It is the younger crowd as we grow older may want something else more to their time in life, I am surprised at some of the younger crwd wanting the 60's and 70's muscle cars so we may be in luck yet ! On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > in the pawnshop business (or any business) ... if you have an inventory > problem > you have a pricing problem... like, 100 guitars that don't sell (priced > too > high) or 100 guitars that sold out in a short period (priced too low)... > > $28,000.00 seems high even for a nice concours TR4.... IMHO... > > if the car has documented race history with notables... then.... maybe... > > Triumph(s) owner and Pawn Star of CVAR.... Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Dennis DeLap > To: FOT > Sent: Wed, July 18, 2012 8:03:24 AM > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the > past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add > ...and no sale > to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jul 19 10:03:35 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] CALIFORNIA AIR SHIPPING STATUS Message-ID: <8CF33DF2F4B9123-1EA8-282E0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com> FOT: All available DVDs have been shipped this week against the orders. More CALIFORNIA AIR DVDs are due from the UK next Monday and will be assembled, packaged, and shipped by the end of next week. (I will in OSHKOSH for EAA's AIRVENTURE until Wednesday) John Clancy has produced other DVDs on Triumphs. I find his work remarkable and plan to add them to my collection. Regards, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Jul 19 12:03:14 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Free Parts Message-ID: <1163314356.114058.1342720994323.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello: I have two, 1.75" SU carburetor domes, pistons and springs plus two turn signal assemblies (rubber socket, bulb plate, lens and chrome ring) all off my TR4. All items are in good condition. These are free for the asking plus cost of shipping. Contact me offline. Gary From mmoore at wave1.net Thu Jul 19 12:09:40 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:09:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil Message-ID: <007401cd65d9$aae315d0$00a94170$@net> I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a higher concentration of zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jul 19 12:11:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Order Info Again CALIFORNIA AIR In-Reply-To: References: , <8CF2E6A54C4F4E6-D18-80227@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com>, , <8CF2E6F6EA045E6-D18-80A9A@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com>, , <8CF2E748E3293C0-D18-814D8@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com>, , <8CF2E82978E02B0-8D0-817D6@webmail-m073.sysops.aol.com> , <8CF310864BE0B4C-1EF4-A52A9@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF33F11BC71C4E-1EA8-2BB15@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com> FOT I posted shipping status and got a bunch of new inquiries: Once again............. $28 PAYPAL n197tr4 at cs.com or check ARE 645 1ST STREET JESUP, IOWA 50548 YOUTUBE LINK BELOW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twWHfzI8oiw 25 more are coming from the UK, but at this rate they will not last long. If you have certain plans to order, please do so. We have an assembly operation set up and wish to do efficiently. If we need to order more, we can do right away and be done with it for awhile. Thanks....I will be looking forward to hearing the reviews as California Air is received and played. I suspect the impressions will be the same as mine. I think it is an important historical documentary and the reason that the FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH exists today. Then add the amazing footage at Road Atlanta from THE MITTY and you have a high form of entertainment. Joe A. From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Thu Jul 19 12:31:12 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:31:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1342662201.96642.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A43EF@TITAN.dwholdings.local> With any luck, you'll end up with decent son in laws, one who might want to race the car. If there any guys on scene now, why not get them started racing and see your car being enjoyed? Don't assume your girls won't want to race either. My wife loves racing, and our grown daughter is getting interested. Ed -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Deanes Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:21 AM To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale Just to add a little to this , as for my car I feel like the car is part of me also and would be hard to part with it, but for the selling point I have taken and aquired alot of racing photos of the car for resale when I get to old to drive it, my kids are all girls and to turn the car over to them when I pass away would be like crushing the car because they wouldn't know what to do with it or could keep it up or running good. This is when I will sell and all the documentation and photos would be a plus to the buyer and they can see what the history and the tracks the car has run at. I think the price is good. It is the younger crowd as we grow older may want something else more to their time in life, I am surprised at some of the younger crwd wanting the 60's and 70's muscle cars so we may be in luck yet ! On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > in the pawnshop business (or any business) ... if you have an inventory > problem > you have a pricing problem... like, 100 guitars that don't sell (priced > too > high) or 100 guitars that sold out in a short period (priced too low)... > > $28,000.00 seems high even for a nice concours TR4.... IMHO... > > if the car has documented race history with notables... then.... maybe... > > Triumph(s) owner and Pawn Star of CVAR.... Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Dennis DeLap > To: FOT > Sent: Wed, July 18, 2012 8:03:24 AM > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the > past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add > ...and no sale > to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Jul 19 13:10:35 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:10:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Free parts Message-ID: The SU parts and turn signals are spoken for. Gary Sent from my iPad From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Jul 19 13:14:49 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:14:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil References: <007401cd65d9$aae315d0$00a94170$@net> Message-ID: <9E6686275A9445BCA5539AEC39EDA6AD@owner8914bbf7f> I use, and have been for years, a product that already has ZDDP in it. It's called STP. Check the can for ingredients.. A friend who's been racing since '66 swears by it. I run 20-50 Valvoline Racing oil with STP. Doing OK so far. ZDDPlus couldn't hurt either. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:09 PM Subject: [Fot] Oil >I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a higher concentration of > zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Jul 19 13:28:30 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:28:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing license References: <002201cd6416$f53546e0$df9fd4a0$@net> Message-ID: Mike, first off, consider which vintage bunch, or bunches, you want to run with. Then contact the organization, or check their website, and see whose schools they accept. Some will accept the Mid Ohio school, SCCA, Skip Barbour, Bondurant, etc. One of the best, for my $, is the VSCDA's Spring Brake, held at Gingerman in early May. Great school, great track, and a good bunch of folks. I think Duck Waddle is still instructing there. I belong to SVRA, because their license is accepted anywhere. Also VRG, 'cause they are a good bunch. SVRA will want newbies, no matter whose license you have, to take a Track Orientation Program for every track. Ain't cheap but one of the instructors is Peter Krause; he's good. Talk to you later, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 8:23 AM Subject: [Fot] Racing license >I bought Gary Horstkorta's TR4 from California and brought it home a few > weeks ago. > > > > I need some advice on getting my license. I live in Erie, PA so I am 3-4 > hours from Mid-Ohio and Watkins Glen. > > > > Do I go through SVRA or another vintage organization? What driving school > should I use (Barber, Mid-Ohio, etc). > > > > Basically not sure where to start. > > > > I have been running HPDE days for 2 years now, so I am ready for next > step. > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From garygret at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 19 13:42:37 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A43EF@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1342662201.96642.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A43EF@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <1342726957.42257.YahooMailNeo@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There are at least ten women racing in Midwestern Council including my wife. One's a lead instructor, two are 18-year-old second-gen racers. MC has a Big Wheel race for the kiddies each year and a number of Big Wheelers have become racers a dozen years later. Get 'em while they're young :-) Gary Schneider >________________________________ > From: Edward Dunn >To: Robert Deanes >Cc: FoT Triumph >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:31 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > >With any luck, you'll end up with decent son in laws, one who might want to >race the car. If there any guys on scene now, why not get them started racing >and see your car being enjoyed? Don't assume your girls won't want to race >either. My wife loves racing, and our grown daughter is getting interested. > >Ed > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf >Of Robert Deanes >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:21 AM >To: Bobby Whitehead >Cc: FoT Triumph >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > >Just to add a little to this , as for my car I feel like the car is part of >me also and would be hard to part with it, but for the selling point I have >taken and aquired alot of racing photos of the car for resale when I get to >old to drive it, my kids are all girls and to turn the car over to them >when I pass away would be like crushing the car because they wouldn't know >what to do with it or could keep it up or running good. This is when I will >sell and all the documentation and photos would be a plus to the buyer and >they can see what the history and the tracks the car has run at. I think >the price is good. >It is the younger crowd as we grow older may want something else more to >their time in life, I am surprised at some of the younger crwd wanting the >60's and 70's muscle cars so we may be in luck yet ! > >On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> in the pawnshop business (or any business) ... if you have an inventory >> problem >> you have a pricing problem... like, 100 guitars that don't sell (priced >> too >> high) or 100 guitars that sold out in a short period (priced too low)... >> >> $28,000.00 seems high even for a nice concours TR4.... IMHO... >> >> if the car has documented race history with notables... then.... maybe... >> >> Triumph(s) owner and Pawn Star of CVAR.... Bobby Whitehead >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Dennis DeLap >> To: FOT >> Sent: Wed, July 18, 2012 8:03:24 AM >> Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale >> >> A M I C I >> >> I need your help. >> My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the >> past two years. >> There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add >> ...and no sale >> to date. >> Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? >> >> Any suggestions? >> Thanks >> Dennis >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com >> >> >> > > >-- >rob deanes >TR Racer >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net From tedtsimx at bright.net Thu Jul 19 14:46:09 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:46:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] part needed Message-ID: <50087211.2070406@bright.net> Hello list. Looking for an ADDCO rear sway bar for aTR4. Any help is appreciated. Thanks,Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Thu Jul 19 16:23:25 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil In-Reply-To: <9E6686275A9445BCA5539AEC39EDA6AD@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: <1342736605.88344.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Brad Penn The green oil Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Thu, 7/19/12, william r tobin wrote: > From: william r tobin > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil > To: "Mike Moore" , fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:14 PM > I use, and have been for years, a > product that already has ZDDP in it. It's > called STP. Check the can for ingredients.. > A friend who's been racing since '66 swears by it. > I run 20-50 Valvoline Racing oil with STP. Doing OK so far. > ZDDPlus couldn't hurt either. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Moore" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:09 PM > Subject: [Fot] Oil > > > >I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a > higher concentration of > > zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Thu Jul 19 18:01:02 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:01:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil In-Reply-To: <1342736605.88344.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1342736605.88344.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I was given similar advice at my first race event regarding the STP. I changed out the oil I was running for Castrol GTX 20/50 plus the STP and it made a big difference in my oil pressure. Same thing I used to run as a kid and I should have stuck to it I guess. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-19, at 6:30 PM, "Guy Morter" wrote: > Brad Penn The green oil > Guy Morter > Vintage Auto Service > 262 573 4511 > > Flatheads Forever! > > > --- On Thu, 7/19/12, william r tobin wrote: > >> From: william r tobin >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil >> To: "Mike Moore" , fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:14 PM >> I use, and have been for years, a >> product that already has ZDDP in it. It's >> called STP. Check the can for ingredients.. >> A friend who's been racing since '66 swears by it. >> I run 20-50 Valvoline Racing oil with STP. Doing OK so far. >> ZDDPlus couldn't hurt either. >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Moore" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:09 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Oil >> >> >>> I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a >> higher concentration of >>> zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>> >>> 2007 West 32nd Street >>> >>> Erie, PA 16508 >>> >>> >>> >>> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >>> >>> Fax: 814-864-7383 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jul 19 18:34:09 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:34:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil In-Reply-To: References: <1342736605.88344.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6F62CFB9-E0C6-41C7-A778-E6C55F30086B@austin.rr.com> Not all STP had ZDDP, be careful as there are two types. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2012, at 7:01 PM, Vince G wrote: > I was given similar advice at my first race event regarding the STP. I changed > out the oil I was running for Castrol GTX 20/50 plus the STP and it made a big > difference in my oil pressure. Same thing I used to run as a kid and I should > have stuck to it I guess. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-07-19, at 6:30 PM, "Guy Morter" wrote: > >> Brad Penn The green oil >> Guy Morter >> Vintage Auto Service >> 262 573 4511 >> >> Flatheads Forever! >> >> >> --- On Thu, 7/19/12, william r tobin wrote: >> >>> From: william r tobin >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil >>> To: "Mike Moore" , fot at autox.team.net >>> Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:14 PM >>> I use, and have been for years, a >>> product that already has ZDDP in it. It's >>> called STP. Check the can for ingredients.. >>> A friend who's been racing since '66 swears by it. >>> I run 20-50 Valvoline Racing oil with STP. Doing OK so far. >>> ZDDPlus couldn't hurt either. >>> Bill >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mike Moore" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:09 PM >>> Subject: [Fot] Oil >>> >>> >>>> I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a >>> higher concentration of >>>> zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>>> >>>> 2007 West 32nd Street >>>> >>>> Erie, PA 16508 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >>>> >>>> Fax: 814-864-7383 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jul 19 21:13:16 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:13:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil In-Reply-To: <007401cd65d9$aae315d0$00a94170$@net> References: <007401cd65d9$aae315d0$00a94170$@net> Message-ID: VR-1 should have sufficient ZDDP as is. However I do add a bit of GM's EOS to it. The VR-1 has more ZDDP than oil normally did before they cut the amount down and our cams started going away. Tony At 01:09 PM 7/19/2012, you wrote: >I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a higher concentration of >zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? > > > >Thanks > >Mike > > > >Michael T. Moore, CPA > >2007 West 32nd Street > >Erie, PA 16508 > > > >Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > >Fax: 814-864-7383 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From mnewman at embarqmail.com Fri Jul 20 07:42:57 2012 From: mnewman at embarqmail.com (William T newman) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire tires In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <784005494.143995.1342791777759.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> I have had success with Sumitomo HTR 200 in Size 215/50 R1 as a great street tire or racing rain. It appears that Tire Rack no longer carries them, but it would be worth looking around to see if someone else has them. Bill Newman ----- Original Message ----- It appears that sticky sport radial road tires in 13" sizes suitable for use on Spitfires are getting rare these days. Does anyone have any suggestions of which tires are still available? Thanks, Joe Curry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mnewman at embarqmail.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jul 20 08:29:05 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:29:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil In-Reply-To: <1342736605.88344.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <9E6686275A9445BCA5539AEC39EDA6AD@owner8914bbf7f> <1342736605.88344.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B257B927A1B45719C6C255A21D93A46@gdhs.local> 10 - 4 on the Brad Penn John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Guy Morter Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:23 PM To: Mike Moore; fot at autox.team.net; william r tobin Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Brad Penn The green oil Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Thu, 7/19/12, william r tobin wrote: > From: william r tobin > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil > To: "Mike Moore" , fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:14 PM I use, and have been for years, > a product that already has ZDDP in it. It's called STP. Check the can > for ingredients.. > A friend who's been racing since '66 swears by it. > I run 20-50 Valvoline Racing oil with STP. Doing OK so far. > ZDDPlus couldn't hurt either. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Moore" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:09 PM > Subject: [Fot] Oil > > > >I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a > higher concentration of > > zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.ne > > t > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jul 20 08:32:38 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:32:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire tires In-Reply-To: <784005494.143995.1342791777759.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> References: <784005494.143995.1342791777759.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: <0295A235C30F411E993A38207974D6A6@gdhs.local> I once ran a Jensen Healey and used 13" Avon tyres available from Sasco. I know they fit Genitta G4's. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William T newman Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 9:43 AM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire tires I have had success with Sumitomo HTR 200 in Size 215/50 R1 as a great street tire or racing rain. It appears that Tire Rack no longer carries them, but it would be worth looking around to see if someone else has them. Bill Newman ----- Original Message ----- It appears that sticky sport radial road tires in 13" sizes suitable for use on Spitfires are getting rare these days. Does anyone have any suggestions of which tires are still available? Thanks, Joe Curry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mnewman at embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Jul 20 09:06:54 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... Message-ID: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> Amici... Revisiting this thread about modern engine oil and its lack of zinc, makes me think of rumors I've heard down through the years about adding a 'bit' of oil to the gasoline in our old sports cars. The way I've heard it is that back in the day, particularly the Brits (back in the old country) would add a 'bit' of engine oil to their petrol for lubricating purposes. Anyone else hear that...or do that? Bill Dentinger From riverside at southslope.net Fri Jul 20 09:14:36 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:14:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil In-Reply-To: <3B257B927A1B45719C6C255A21D93A46@gdhs.local> References: <9E6686275A9445BCA5539AEC39EDA6AD@owner8914bbf7f><1342736605.88344.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <3B257B927A1B45719C6C255A21D93A46@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <7F52910516514F60948D3D27F4C77B81@rileyPC> I am a Brad Penn dealer. I really like it. Ran it in an Alfa at a chump car race. After 5 hours, it was like new. It is the old Kendall GT1 art de armond -----Original Message----- From: john hasty Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 9:29 AM To: 'Guy Morter' ; 'Mike Moore' ; fot at autox.team.net ; 'william r tobin' Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil 10 - 4 on the Brad Penn John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Guy Morter Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:23 PM To: Mike Moore; fot at autox.team.net; william r tobin Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Brad Penn The green oil Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Thu, 7/19/12, william r tobin wrote: > From: william r tobin > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil > To: "Mike Moore" , fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:14 PM I use, and have been for years, > a product that already has ZDDP in it. It's called STP. Check the can > for ingredients.. > A friend who's been racing since '66 swears by it. > I run 20-50 Valvoline Racing oil with STP. Doing OK so far. > ZDDPlus couldn't hurt either. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Moore" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:09 PM > Subject: [Fot] Oil > > > >I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a > higher concentration of > > zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.ne > > t > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5142 - Release Date: 07/19/12 From klynch_6 at msn.com Fri Jul 20 09:31:09 2012 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:31:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] RMVR's warm Charity Race Message-ID: Despite heavy hearts re; what happened early this morning, Chris's Spitfire, Jim Roelof & Jim Gray, Dan Forgey ? TR4s'. The 'Subprime Vintage Race' GT-6 & I will be out flailing away as well, in the triple digits for our Cancer fund-raising @ High Plains Raceway - http://rmvr.com/race-against-kids-cancer-2/ Kevin From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jul 20 10:09:07 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:09:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... References: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> Message-ID: <564D784B16A34B75BA36D07FE78A1FAB@Bud> try a litle Castor oil in the gas...in the old days it helped lube the SU carbs...and gave the car that distinct 'Race car aroma' Racer Bud..Spitfire # 21 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 8:06 AM Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... > Amici... > > Revisiting this thread about modern engine oil and its lack of zinc, makes > me think of rumors I've heard down through the years about adding a 'bit' > of > oil to the gasoline in our old sports cars. The way I've heard it is that > back in the day, particularly the Brits (back in the old country) would > add > a 'bit' of engine oil to their petrol for lubricating purposes. Anyone > else > hear that...or do that? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 20 10:15:47 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction In-Reply-To: <002101cd64f8$afd8a410$0f89ec30$@rogers.com> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> <002101cd64f8$afd8a410$0f89ec30$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1342800947.43568.YahooMailRC@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Come on guys - there must be someone out there in FOT land who could turn a profit with this car. Let's have an auction right here, right now. Do I here $16k? D ---- Dennis DeLap wrote: > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add ...and no sale to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jul 20 10:25:32 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... In-Reply-To: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> References: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF34AB6AD3C56D-7D0-4D52@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> We had a gas pump at the shop and I would use the shop oil container used for pouring oil into tractor engine. It always had residual oil in it when I filled the lawnmower. Dad said, "it wont hurt a thing, and might be useful". That's what my dad said, anyway. You'd think that gas pump would have been useful during HS years, but it wasnt. But that's another story. Joe Alexander From list at mackenzie.aero Fri Jul 20 10:55:50 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:55:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire tires In-Reply-To: <784005494.143995.1342791777759.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> References: <784005494.143995.1342791777759.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: <001301cd6698$84bb4520$8e31cf60$@aero> I am going through this as I need to procure a set of tyres for a GT6 I just bought for my wife. Good 13 inch street tyres are getting very hard to find no that the HTR200 is out of production. The only thing they make now in a 13 is the T4 which in a mini-van tyre. I have HTR200s (185/60-13) on my street Spit 1500 and a set of 155/50/13s for rain and autocross use. The best choice I can find is 175/70-13s with a choice of either Michelin or General. The Michelin Defender is a new tyre and has no reviews but I have always had good experience with Michelin. However at $84 each they are pricy. Country of origin: Mexico The General Altimax RT gets great reviews and at $50 each is priced right. They are made in Mexico or Brazil (Is it too much to ask to buy a tyre made here?) I will most likely order the Generals unless somebody else can suggest a better option. On another note if you are looking for 13 inch slicks for race/track day/autoX I have been buying sets very cheaply off e-bay. Just do a search for "usdrrt 13". For example he has sets of 4 Hoosier 21.5x8-13 slicks for $99 with free shipping. Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William T newman Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 8:43 AM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire tires I have had success with Sumitomo HTR 200 in Size 215/50 R1 as a great street tire or racing rain. It appears that Tire Rack no longer carries them, but it would be worth looking around to see if someone else has them. Bill Newman ----- Original Message ----- It appears that sticky sport radial road tires in 13" sizes suitable for use on Spitfires are getting rare these days. Does anyone have any suggestions of which tires are still available? Thanks, Joe Curry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mnewman at embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Jul 20 11:22:20 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:22:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... In-Reply-To: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> References: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> Message-ID: <038c01cd669c$38a6a8b0$a9f3fa10$@rr.com> > Anyone else > hear that...or do that? I run "upper cylinder lubricant" in my street TR3. Based on several more recent stories (including a local club member who had new rings "go away" in under 10k miles in his street TR4), I add 4 ounces of "TC-W3" 2-cycle oil to each tank of fuel, along with one ounce of Red Line lead substitute (added after I started noticing valve seat recession). Can't prove that it helps, but the engine did start idling faster during the first tank (which might have been something else, not sure), and my fuel mileage seems to be creeping up. For the moment anyway, seems like cheap insurance. FWIW the lead substitute also stopped the valve recession. 6 months after starting to add it in each tank, the exhaust valves were still right on the money. BTW, Triumph also suggested using upper cylinder lube in the TR2-3 owner's manual. -- Randall From tjwakeman at gmail.com Fri Jul 20 11:48:12 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:48:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... In-Reply-To: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> References: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> Message-ID: <500999DC.3000605@gmail.com> On 7/20/12 8:06 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Revisiting this thread about modern engine oil and its lack of zinc, makes > me think of rumors I've heard down through the years about adding a 'bit' of > oil to the gasoline in our old sports cars. . I tend to use Marvel Mystery oil in the fuel tank when I head out on long trips. Maybe I should just use it all the time in the hopes it reduces wear on those short trips where the engine may not completely heat up and burn away contaminates. TeriAnn From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Jul 20 11:52:10 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:52:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire tires In-Reply-To: <001301cd6698$84bb4520$8e31cf60$@aero> References: <784005494.143995.1342791777759.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> <001301cd6698$84bb4520$8e31cf60$@aero> Message-ID: <039101cd66a0$6347e8f0$29d7bad0$@rr.com> > The best choice I can find is 175/70-13s with a choice of either > Michelin or > General. Looks like they still have a few Bridgestone Potenzas available in 165/65-13. If you order quick, you might be able to get a set. http://goo.gl/1eh2s -- Randall From stutzmans at comcast.net Fri Jul 20 19:38:25 2012 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:38:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... In-Reply-To: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> References: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> Message-ID: <7AA35E976FF54D7CBD2DB60D2A1263CA@ComputerPC> Some of us are adding a bit of engine oil to the petrol thru the rings and/or valve guides. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 11:06 AM Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... > Amici... > > Revisiting this thread about modern engine oil and its lack of zinc, makes > me think of rumors I've heard down through the years about adding a 'bit' > of > oil to the gasoline in our old sports cars. The way I've heard it is that > back in the day, particularly the Brits (back in the old country) would > add > a 'bit' of engine oil to their petrol for lubricating purposes. Anyone > else > hear that...or do that? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From robertten1 at aol.com Fri Jul 20 19:46:17 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Tires Message-ID: <8CF34F9C103E9DE-11EC-FCDA@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> The Toyo R888's 185/60x13 are available from TIRE RACK . Good price too Just to update, Bob T From vangoughv at hotmail.com Fri Jul 20 20:08:14 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 22:08:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Tires In-Reply-To: <8CF34F9C103E9DE-11EC-FCDA@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF34F9C103E9DE-11EC-FCDA@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: If you guys were closer I might consider parting with a set of sumo 205/60-13s. I bought 3 sets last year as they were phasing them out. Good for my race GT6 but a bit wide on my street GT6. I see NEXEN has 185/60-13s Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-20, at 9:51 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > The Toyo R888's 185/60x13 are available from TIRE RACK . Good price too > > > Just to update, > Bob T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 21 06:40:59 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 07:40:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFDF16@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> <002101cd64f8$afd8a410$0f89ec30$@rogers.com> <1342800947.43568.YahooMailRC@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFDF16@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <5A38A18A-F657-4F84-815C-5FFDF9926214@sbcglobal.net> A M I C I No bids yet. I am ending the auction. Thanks for all of your comments. Dennis From jkhagen at charter.net Sat Jul 21 09:10:50 2012 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction Message-ID: <2ea34f41.17e8dd.138aa174ee6.Webtop.45@charter.net> AMICI/Dennis, I have had my TR-4 up for sale at Atlanta and RA--very few responses. $17,500 John Hagen TR-4 /TVR On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Dennis Delap wrote: > A M I C I > No bids yet. > I am ending the auction. > Thanks for all of your comments. > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Jul 21 09:50:46 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:50:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <1341888803.14091.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1341888803.14091.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <500ACFD6.5000503@pobox.com> :Low pressure gauges are available at http://www.gaugestore.com/. Look at the Wika low pressure gauges. A 0 - 5 psi gauges should work nicely. On 7/9/2012 9:53 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Has anyone been able to find a gauge that reads 0-5 psi? I have > looked all over, including aircraft supply places, with no luck. > > -Ed- From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jul 21 10:00:27 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction In-Reply-To: <2ea34f41.17e8dd.138aa174ee6.Webtop.45@charter.net> References: <2ea34f41.17e8dd.138aa174ee6.Webtop.45@charter.net> Message-ID: <8CF357113F79E10-638-13492@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> as someone said, without provenance..... however, in the last 20 years the image of the TRIUMPH has come up and brought the value with it. i'd like to think that the FOT has been a large part of that. i am likely a bit too sensitive, but recent column on the MITTY didnt seem to present the TRIUMPH in it's best light. anyone else notice it? if not, then it is a non-issue. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: jkhagen To: Dennis Delap Cc: FOT Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:11 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction AMICI/Dennis, I have had my TR-4 up for sale at Atlanta and RA--very few responses. $17,500 John Hagen TR-4 /TVR On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Dennis Delap wrote: > A M I C I > No bids yet. > I am ending the auction. > Thanks for all of your comments. > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sat Jul 21 10:18:51 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 09:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <500ACFD6.5000503@pobox.com> Message-ID: <1342887531.44363.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Larry: Thanks Buddy, they really fill the bill. I guess I gave up too early figuring everyone wants 0-15 psi. There will be one on the BMW and the Champ car. -Ed- --- On Sat, 7/21/12, Larry Young wrote: From: Larry Young Subject: Re: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, July 21, 2012, 10:50 AM :Low pressure gauges are available at http://www.gaugestore.com/. Look at the Wika low pressure gauges. A 0 - 5 psi gauges should work nicely. On 7/9/2012 9:53 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Has anyone been able to find a gauge that reads 0-5 psi? I have > looked all over, including aircraft supply places, with no luck. > -Ed- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jul 21 11:04:02 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 13:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] From Wheels to Wings AIRVENTURE @ OSHKOSH GLACIER GIRL Message-ID: <8CF3579F5F0CA43-638-14DCB@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> FOT Richard Taylor #196 TR4 will be at OSHKOSH to discuss his expeditions to repatriate a P-38 Lightning. He will be on the WARBIRDS flightline at 1:00PM on Monday afternoon for Q & A. He will be in a pavillion at 10:00AM on Tuesday morning giving a presentation. The P-38 Lightning, AKA "Glacier Girl" will be on display all week. Tim Murphy and I will be there.....anyone else? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Jul 21 12:12:25 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 13:12:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: References: , <1342473156.34607.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <500AF109.1000600@pobox.com> In the 1990's a previous owner of my TR3 had a disc wheel fail. It turned into a roll bar test. On 7/16/2012 4:36 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Yes, I ran the wires as they were that 1/2" wider than the steel wheels. they > were a LOT heavier what with wire wheel adapter and knock-off hub. I would > probably have been faster with the discs but the wires looked very cool and > when you are in your 20's, cool is it!. Actually with the way I was always > pitching the car I doubt the steel disc would have lasted very long and the > spokes would break and give you a change to recover, but when disc breaks, you > are gone. > > Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:12:36 -0700 > From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > To: tarch at bellsouth.net; tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net; > kaskas at cox.net > > Kas: Am I coorrect in assuming that you used the wire wheels because they were > 1/2" wider than the stock steel wheels? Surely they must weigh the same, if > not a bit more tham steel wheels. > -Ed- > > --- On Mon, 7/16/12, Kas Kastner wrote: > > > From: Kas Kastner > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > To: "Richard Taylor" , tony at tonydrews.com, "fot" > > Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 12:13 PM > > > When I was racing my TR-3 it was always with the 48 spoke wheels the others > were not allowed. I'd break two or three ever race and every prictice. Got > pretty good at replacing them quickly without dismounting the tires. It is > just not a big deal. Steet driving on 48 spokers? they'll probably last > another fifty years. It wasn't until I started using sticky recaps that I > had > the spoke problem. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> From: tarch at bellsouth.net >> To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:23:51 -0400 >> > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires >> Back in the mid 80's I vintage raced an Austin Healy 100-4 with Michelin X >> tires and 48 spoke wheels. The drifting was exciting but we lost a lot of >> time in the turns. When I switched to wider, stickier tires, the outside >> wheels quickly became 18 spoke wheels. >> >> My observation: better tires require more spokes. I couldn't resist the >> temptation so I switched to 72 spokes which performed flawlessly. >> >> And, of course, I drove the car to and from the track. >> >> Richard Taylor >> TR-4 #196 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team..net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Tony Drews >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:30 AM >> To: fot at autox.team..net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires >> >> If we're looking at 5.5" wide wheels, I doubt we're talking stock rims. >> >> Tony >> >> At 08:05 PM 7/15/2012, Terry Stetler wrote: >>> Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? >> Hence >>> it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels >>> of a stock TR-2. >>> >>> We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? >>> >>> Terry Stetler. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sat Jul 21 12:41:14 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:41:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <500ACFD6.5000503@pobox.com> References: <1341888803.14091.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <500ACFD6.5000503@pobox.com> Message-ID: <500AF7CA.3090405@gmail.com> On 7/21/12 8:50 AM, Larry Young wrote: > :Low pressure gauges are available at http://www.gaugestore.com/. Look > at the Wika low pressure gauges. A 0 - 5 psi gauges should work nicely. Ummm these are for gas pressure. Have you verified that they are suited for automotive fuel? Just wondering as the lowest fuel pressure gauge I have found so far is 0-15 lb. TeriAnn > > > On 7/9/2012 9:53 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: >> Has anyone been able to find a gauge that reads 0-5 psi? I have >> looked all over, including aircraft supply places, with no luck. >> -Ed- From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Jul 21 13:17:22 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:17:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] From Wheels to Wings AIRVENTURE @ OSHKOSH GLACIER GIRL In-Reply-To: <8CF3579F5F0CA43-638-14DCB@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3579F5F0CA43-638-14DCB@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I wish I was going. Vintage aviation is a genuine passion of mine. I'll be at Thunder Over Michigan first weekend in August though... Terry Stetler From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 21 15:26:38 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:26:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction Message-ID: <66q4ay6pcfbduwnb9kt9l1sm.1342904586792@email.android.com> Provanance! Eye of the beholder and Labors of love I've sold two TR race cars, both for my " cost ", which is defined as what I paid for the car plus the parts costs of the bonafide improvements. The first was the yellow TR3 now raced by B John Hasty. I paid $5500 for it and mostly kept it up while I raced, fixing some floor problems and rebuilding suspension. I sold it for $6000 after three years, to the guy who sold it to Larry Young two years later. Larry upgraded the car and increased its value, probably by the cost of the overdrive, the better suspension and the Southwick conversion. I bought a 5 grand TR4 and put in a Southwick, a new roll bar, alloy hubs, close ratio, etc and sold it for 12 large, which was my cost less labor with all that I had done.B I replaced that car with a car with real history, '67/68 Runoff's. I hope it is worth $25000, the some of its parts, but in todays market, with all the excess supply I'd doubt I could get it, but B I wouldnt sell it for less. If it didn't have the race history I probably would not have spent as much on paint or some of the parts. I think you can still build a servicable race car under ten grand, and although we all have our preferences, newbies are wanting B the lowest cost of entry. I think the higher priced cars, without provanance, are stuck in a tough spot. I wonder how Wayne Carini is doing with the $50000 Group 44 copy TR4? Way overpriced by my formulas. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab$Joe Alexander wrote:as someone said, without provenance..... however, in the last 20 years the image of the TRIUMPH has come up and brought the value with it. i'd like to think that the FOT has been a large part of that. i am likely a bit too sensitive, but recent column on the MITTY didnt seem to present the TRIUMPH in it's best light. anyone else notice it?B B if not, then it is a non-issue. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711B (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: jkhagen To: Dennis Delap Cc: FOT Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:11 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction AMICI/Dennis,B I have had my TR-4 up for sale at Atlanta and RA--very few responses.B $17,500B B John Hagen TR-4 /TVR On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Dennis Delap wrote: > A M I C I > No bids yet. > I am ending the auction. > Thanks for all of your comments. > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Jul 21 15:16:06 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction Message-ID: <1ea21.166eceb7.3d3c7616@aol.com> In a message dated 07/21/2012 3:28:01 PM Central Daylight Time, rkramer3 at austin.rr.com writes: > I wonder how Wayne Carini is doing with the $50000 Group 44 copy TR4? Way > overpriced by my formulas. > Not too well I suspect, although that race car is (and always was) a gorgeous car. I can't think of his name right now, but he was a Doctor from Mystic, Connecticut who owned it, had it built and vintage raced it some 20-25 years ago. Then in quick order, he had it For Sale for $40,000 +/- when he was going through a divorce. At the time, most TRIUMPH folks I knew felt, that while price may have represented his investment, more likely it was established because he really didn't want to sell it. I always felt (and have advised) those looking for a race car should seek the best car they can, and then negotiate a fair price and buy it. Especially those who are unable to do top shelf mechanical work themselves will never buy and clunker and then pay to have it converted into a competitive race car for what they can buy and race a ready race car. Bill Dentinger From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 21 15:18:33 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:18:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] From Wheels to Wings AIRVENTURE @ OSHKOSH GLACIER GIRL Message-ID: I just saw an ad for Thunder over Michigan last night. I'll be at Mid-Ohio for the ALMS race. Unfortunately, I have to stay for the Indycar race as well. Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad Terry Stetler wrote: >I wish I was going. Vintage aviation is a genuine passion of mine. > >I'll be at Thunder Over Michigan first weekend in August though... > >Terry Stetler >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sat Jul 21 15:43:26 2012 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:43:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] From Wheels to Wings AIRVENTURE @ OSHKOSH GLACIER GIRL In-Reply-To: References: <8CF3579F5F0CA43-638-14DCB@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <91C44732-1108-4E73-9D2E-8885063E6AA9@aol.com> I saw glacier girl in Reno a few years back and pictures and video of the heritage flight. Truly an awesome experience. Chris On Jul 21, 2012, at 3:17 PM, "Terry Stetler" wrote: > I wish I was going. Vintage aviation is a genuine passion of mine. > > I'll be at Thunder Over Michigan first weekend in August though... > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 21 15:49:45 2012 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:49:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spit Tires Message-ID: Until very recently Tire Rack did not offer the R888 at all. They're still high. "Tiresdirect.net" is the place to go for R-compound 185/60/13 @ a buck thirty! They shave and heat cycle. Bill Collins yellow #8(1) at the Mitty. Texas From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Sat Jul 21 17:04:13 2012 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:04:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction Message-ID: <13557197.1342911853741.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Dr. Bill Colom (sp?) was the original owner of the G44 copy. Lent us a front hub once. Came fully set with greased bearings and wrapped in clear plastic wrap. A very nice guy. Mike -----Original Message----- >From: BillDentin at aol.com >Sent: Jul 21, 2012 5:16 PM >To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com, n197tr4 at cs.com, jkhagen at charter.net, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction > >In a message dated 07/21/2012 3:28:01 PM Central Daylight Time, >rkramer3 at austin.rr.com writes: > > >> I wonder how Wayne Carini is doing with the $50000 Group 44 copy TR4? Way >> overpriced by my formulas. >> > >Not too well I suspect, although that race car is (and always was) a >gorgeous car. I can't think of his name right now, but he was a Doctor from >Mystic, Connecticut who owned it, had it built and vintage raced it some 20-25 >years ago. Then in quick order, he had it For Sale for $40,000 +/- when he >was going through a divorce. At the time, most TRIUMPH folks I knew felt, >that while price may have represented his investment, more likely it was >established because he really didn't want to sell it. > >I always felt (and have advised) those looking for a race car should seek >the best car they can, and then negotiate a fair price and buy it. >Especially those who are unable to do top shelf mechanical work themselves will never >buy and clunker and then pay to have it converted into a competitive race >car for what they can buy and race a ready race car. > >Bill Dentinger >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Jul 21 17:33:44 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Missfire In-Reply-To: <8CF35A444269BF9-1BE8-17BE8@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF35A444269BF9-1BE8-17BE8@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF35B06735E839-E44-1B831@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: robertten1 To: blang ; lang Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:06 pm Subject: Missfire Bob, Hope all is well. Have a problem with the race Spit - Only running on 2 cylinders # 2 & 3 ?? Tried switching the plug wires around and the firing order with no success. Tried swapping out the Pertronics system with the Mallory Set Up with no difference. Even swapped the plugs around with no difference. Any idea where to look next ? I plan to do compression and leak down tests next. Fresh rebuild, Bob T From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jul 21 17:37:44 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:37:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Missfire References: <8CF35A444269BF9-1BE8-17BE8@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> <8CF35B06735E839-E44-1B831@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8C594310DA0840A78937EEA449C787AF@Bud> sounds like head gasket RB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 4:33 PM Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Missfire > -----Original Message----- > From: robertten1 > To: blang ; lang > Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:06 pm > Subject: Missfire > > > Bob, > > Hope all is well. Have a problem with the race Spit - Only running on 2 > cylinders # 2 & 3 ?? Tried switching the plug wires around and the firing > order with no success. Tried swapping out the Pertronics system with the > Mallory Set Up with no difference. Even swapped the plugs around with no > difference. > > Any idea where to look next ? I plan to do compression and leak down > tests > next. > > > Fresh rebuild, > Bob T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Jul 21 18:00:20 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:00:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] From Wheels to Wings AIRVENTURE @ OSHKOSH GLACIER GIRL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's really hard to not go to the ALMS race, as IMHO, they are the BEST road racing cars we can see in the US. But the chance to see a B 29 in flight outweighs seeing any earth bound vehicle I can think of. Terry Stetler From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Jul 21 22:15:12 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 00:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Misfire Message-ID: <8CF35D7B92FF3BF-1C60-19635@webmail-d096.sysops.aol.com> Well I have completed the tests and found the following : Leak Down - #1 -5%: #2 -10%: #3 -10% #4 -12% Compression - 180 / 180 / 180 / 168 I thinking of checking the valve clearances again especially for #4. Any further thoughts, Bob T From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 22 05:59:17 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 07:59:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Misfire Message-ID: Bob, Checking valves is a good idea. Is the distributor cap new? I'd check it out with another one. I had a bad one out of the box a couple of years ago. Swapped the old one back in and cleared up the problem. The quality on some stink. Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad robertten1 at aol.com wrote: >Well I have completed the tests and found the following : > >Leak Down - #1 -5%: #2 -10%: #3 -10% #4 -12% > >Compression - 180 / 180 / 180 / 168 > > >I thinking of checking the valve clearances again especially for #4. > > >Any further thoughts, >Bob T >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From robertten1 at aol.com Sun Jul 22 13:26:13 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Misfire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF3656FDC1C407-A90-24513@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com> Hi Doug, With 2 complete different ignition systems swapped in and out with the same exact results ?? Thats distributors, wires and coils. Caps and rotors do check out ok. I'm also going to try different plugs though I did swap the current plugs around with no difference. The puzzle continues, Bob T -----Original Message----- From: Doug Mitchell To: robertten1 Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 7:59 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Misfire Bob, Checking valves is a good idea. Is the distributor cap new? I'd check it out with another one. I had a bad one out of the box a couple of years ago. Swapped the old one back in and cleared up the problem. The quality on some stink. Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad robertten1 at aol.com wrote: >Well I have completed the tests and found the following : > >Leak Down - #1 -5%: #2 -10%: #3 -10% #4 -12% > >Compression - 180 / 180 / 180 / 168 > > >I thinking of checking the valve clearances again especially for #4. > > >Any further thoughts, >Bob T >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 22 13:38:59 2012 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 14:38:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire Message-ID: <9C316C900E4A4E6ABBD696BA1D768D98@bkolnzPC> Joe Hovey, with me helping, rebuilt the engine on the #8 before the Mitty. When we fired it up for the first time, it had the same misfire you describe. We went through all the steps you have, and when nothing worked, Joe popped off the Pertronix cap and put a new blue rotor in. It fired right up and ran on all four like a dream. Old rotor looked fine... ? Blue spare is in the track box and got one for the Dr. Bill Collins '72 (1300) spit racer DFW, TX. From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sun Jul 22 15:09:54 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:09:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Misfire In-Reply-To: <8CF3656FDC1C407-A90-24513@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3656FDC1C407-A90-24513@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Have you checked the connectors and wiring to the coil / POS & Ground leads a loose spade/poor crimp/fractured wire .... Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-22, at 3:26 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Doug, > > With 2 complete different ignition systems swapped in and out with the same > exact results ?? Thats distributors, wires and coils. Caps and rotors do > check out ok. I'm also going to try different plugs though I did swap the > current plugs around with no difference. > > The puzzle continues, > Bob T > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Mitchell > To: robertten1 > Cc: fot > Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 7:59 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Misfire > > > Bob, > > Checking valves is a good idea. Is the distributor cap new? I'd check it out > with another one. I had a bad one out of the box a couple of years ago. > Swapped > the old one back in and cleared up the problem. The quality on some stink. > > Cheers, > > Doug Mitchell > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > > Sent from my ASUS Pad > > robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > >> Well I have completed the tests and found the following : >> >> Leak Down - #1 -5%: #2 -10%: #3 -10% #4 -12% >> >> Compression - 180 / 180 / 180 / 168 >> >> >> I thinking of checking the valve clearances again especially for #4. >> >> >> Any further thoughts, >> Bob T >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sun Jul 22 18:41:24 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:41:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Missfire In-Reply-To: <8CF35B06735E839-E44-1B831@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF35A444269BF9-1BE8-17BE8@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> <8CF35B06735E839-E44-1B831@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4480D730-D853-4F36-B39C-58984D474133@gmail.com> Have you confirmed that the plugs aren't firing? If not, remove them, clip on the plug wires, and lay them on the engine so they'll be grounded and then watch for sparks jumping the gaps on all four while the engine is cranked over. Duncan 1952 Morgan #6 Red CVAR On Jul 21, 2012, at 6:33 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: robertten1 > To: blang ; lang > Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:06 pm > Subject: Missfire > > > Bob, > > Hope all is well. Have a problem with the race Spit - Only running on 2 > cylinders # 2 & 3 ?? Tried switching the plug wires around and the firing > order with no success. Tried swapping out the Pertronics system with the > Mallory Set Up with no difference. Even swapped the plugs around with no > difference. > > Any idea where to look next ? I plan to do compression and leak down tests > next. > > > Fresh rebuild, > Bob T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jul 22 19:09:20 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:09:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Missfire References: <8CF35A444269BF9-1BE8-17BE8@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com><8CF35B06735E839-E44-1B831@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> <4480D730-D853-4F36-B39C-58984D474133@gmail.com> Message-ID: <346ACAC8186549E3B8BE97865CA22FE8@Bud> How about the engine flooding/starving because of the timing being off?...Try rotating the distributor a bit while the engine is running to see if it smooths out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Charlton" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Missfire > Have you confirmed that the plugs aren't firing? If not, remove them, > clip on > the plug wires, and lay them on the engine so they'll be grounded and then > watch for sparks jumping the gaps on all four while the engine is cranked > over. > > Duncan > 1952 Morgan #6 Red > CVAR > > On Jul 21, 2012, at 6:33 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: robertten1 >> To: blang ; lang >> Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:06 pm >> Subject: Missfire >> >> >> Bob, >> >> Hope all is well. Have a problem with the race Spit - Only running on 2 >> cylinders # 2 & 3 ?? Tried switching the plug wires around and the >> firing >> order with no success. Tried swapping out the Pertronics system with the >> Mallory Set Up with no difference. Even swapped the plugs around with no >> difference. >> >> Any idea where to look next ? I plan to do compression and leak down > tests >> next. >> >> >> Fresh rebuild, >> Bob T >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From robertten1 at aol.com Sun Jul 22 20:38:10 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 22:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire In-Reply-To: <9C316C900E4A4E6ABBD696BA1D768D98@bkolnzPC> References: <9C316C900E4A4E6ABBD696BA1D768D98@bkolnzPC> Message-ID: <8CF369355138893-1FD4-26E04@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> Hi Bill, Unfortunately I fried the Pretronix in the Delco distributor so I can't try anything with that set-up Though it did have a new good rotor in it along with a new cap with brass contacts. Right now I have the Mallory Points Unit and set-up in And this did work fine before the rebuild. I will try your suggestion a replace the rotor and see if I have any luck. Thanks, Bob T -----Original Message----- From: William Collins To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 3:42 pm Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire Joe Hovey, with me helping, rebuilt the engine on the #8 before the Mitty. When we fired it up for the first time, it had the same misfire you describe. We went through all the steps you have, and when nothing worked, Joe popped off the Pertronix cap and put a new blue rotor in. It fired right up and ran on all four like a dream. Old rotor looked fine... ? Blue spare is in the track box and got one for the Dr. Bill Collins '72 (1300) spit racer DFW, TX. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From mrcpt1fc at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 22 21:13:46 2012 From: mrcpt1fc at sbcglobal.net (mrcpt1@sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 20:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR2 Exhaust Message-ID: <1343013226.51586.YahooMailRC@web181006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hello, I am in need of a complete exhaust system for my TR2. I was hoping to find a good QH or Harmo brand set up. Does anyone have or know where I can get the correct head pipe, 18' muffler, and long separate tail pipe section ? Thanks, Mike . P.S. any TR2 racers have the old stuff out in the barn ? From stutzmans at comcast.net Mon Jul 23 08:24:34 2012 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 10:24:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire In-Reply-To: <8CF369355138893-1FD4-26E04@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> References: <9C316C900E4A4E6ABBD696BA1D768D98@bkolnzPC> <8CF369355138893-1FD4-26E04@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4F34FEC8AAAD4F519C29DD0AE1C8E244@ComputerPC> The bad rotor issue is just with Lucas 25D and 22D dizzys. If your rotor has a rivot throw it away. And get a new red rotor or an old one before rivots. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire misfire > Hi Bill, > > Unfortunately I fried the Pretronix in the Delco distributor so I can't > try > anything with that set-up Though it did have a new good rotor in it along > with > a new cap with brass contacts. Right now I have the Mallory Points Unit > and > set-up in And this did work fine before the rebuild. I will try your > suggestion a replace the rotor and see if I have any luck. > > Thanks, > Bob T > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Collins > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 3:42 pm > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire > > > Joe Hovey, with me helping, rebuilt the engine on the #8 before the Mitty. > When we fired it up for the first time, it had the same misfire you > describe. > We went through all the steps you have, and when nothing worked, Joe > popped > off the Pertronix cap and put a new blue rotor in. It fired right up > and > ran on all four like a dream. Old rotor looked fine... ? > > Blue spare is in the track box and got one for the Dr. > > Bill Collins > '72 (1300) spit racer > DFW, TX. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jul 23 08:48:48 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:48:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale References: <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> Message-ID: <65FD552CB1A0435C83C1D43591299A74@Charly> FoT' rs, I now have a 64 TR4 for sale. This car was bought by one of my employees from another FOT'r and he had hoped to race it. I think he became overwhelmed by it and has done nothing with it for 2 years. The car is complete, but is not race ready, and could be easily returned to a street car if desired. The car has a fuel cell and a full cage with other race modifications. The asking price for it is $4900.00. I'll be getting some pictures latter this week. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "Dennis DeLap" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > You might try Bring-a-Trailer or figuring out how to list it for European > sale. Always seems to me that pricing is higher in the UK, though perhaps > not for a LHD car. > > On Jul 18, 2012, at 10:50 AM, rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com wrote: > > The other two TR4's listed along with yours have been on for a long time > as well and they are only slighly cheaper. I listed a Datsun 2000 for 24K > a few years back and had thousands of views with only a couple of lame > inquiries. I ended up selling at 16K and it was in beautiful and race > ready condition. You can continue to wait it out or drop the price until > the calls start to come in. > > Bob From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jul 23 10:08:15 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:08:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire In-Reply-To: <4F34FEC8AAAD4F519C29DD0AE1C8E244@ComputerPC> References: <9C316C900E4A4E6ABBD696BA1D768D98@bkolnzPC> <8CF369355138893-1FD4-26E04@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> <4F34FEC8AAAD4F519C29DD0AE1C8E244@ComputerPC> Message-ID: Jack had a rotor fail in a Mallory dual point - cost him a race win (I won instead... :) ). Rotor looked perfect, but replacing allowed the car to run again. Tony At 09:24 AM 7/23/2012, Stutzmans wrote: >The bad rotor issue is just with Lucas 25D and 22D dizzys. If your >rotor has a rivot throw it away. And get a new red rotor or an old >one before rivots. >Bruce >----- Original Message ----- From: >To: >Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:38 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire misfire > > >>Hi Bill, >> >>Unfortunately I fried the Pretronix in the Delco distributor so I can't try >>anything with that set-up Though it did have a new good rotor in it >>along with >>a new cap with brass contacts. Right now I have the Mallory Points Unit and >>set-up in And this did work fine before the rebuild. I will try your >>suggestion a replace the rotor and see if I have any luck. >> >>Thanks, >>Bob T >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: William Collins >>To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >>Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 3:42 pm >>Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire >> >> >>Joe Hovey, with me helping, rebuilt the engine on the #8 before the Mitty. >>When we fired it up for the first time, it had the same misfire you describe. >>We went through all the steps you have, and when nothing worked, Joe popped >>off the Pertronix cap and put a new blue rotor in. It fired right up and >>ran on all four like a dream. Old rotor looked fine... ? >> >>Blue spare is in the track box and got one for the Dr. >> >>Bill Collins >>'72 (1300) spit racer >>DFW, TX. >>_______________________________________________ >>fot at autox.team.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com >>_______________________________________________ >>fot at autox.team.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jul 23 10:19:57 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:19:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale References: <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> <65FD552CB1A0435C83C1D43591299A74@Charly> Message-ID: <8C1F72BE075E4AF5982B2A01715C1983@Charly> Sorry, I forgot to say the car is in Tacoma WA. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "Scott Janzen" ; "Dennis DeLap" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 7:48 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > FoT' rs, > I now have a 64 TR4 for sale. This car was bought by one of my employees > from another FOT'r and he had hoped to race it. I think he became > overwhelmed by it and has done nothing with it for 2 years. > The car is complete, but is not race ready, and could be easily returned > to a street car if desired. The car has a fuel cell and a full cage with > other race modifications. > The asking price for it is $4900.00. > I'll be getting some pictures latter this week. > Charly Mitchel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Janzen" > To: "Dennis DeLap" > Cc: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 8:02 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > > >> You might try Bring-a-Trailer or figuring out how to list it for European >> sale. Always seems to me that pricing is higher in the UK, though >> perhaps not for a LHD car. >> >> On Jul 18, 2012, at 10:50 AM, rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com wrote: >> >> The other two TR4's listed along with yours have been on for a long time >> as well and they are only slighly cheaper. I listed a Datsun 2000 for 24K >> a few years back and had thousands of views with only a couple of lame >> inquiries. I ended up selling at 16K and it was in beautiful and race >> ready condition. You can continue to wait it out or drop the price until >> the calls start to come in. >> >> Bob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jul 23 10:26:39 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:26:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale References: <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> <65FD552CB1A0435C83C1D43591299A74@Charly> Message-ID: <1700526CAFFA41B4A7ACA7C63C58039F@Charly> One more note about this car, I guess it was owned by Elmer Peters and raced SCCA out of Ohio, not sure of the years. Again, it's located in Tacoma WA. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "Scott Janzen" ; "Dennis DeLap" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 7:48 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > FoT' rs, > I now have a 64 TR4 for sale. This car was bought by one of my employees > from another FOT'r and he had hoped to race it. I think he became > overwhelmed by it and has done nothing with it for 2 years. > The car is complete, but is not race ready, and could be easily returned > to a street car if desired. The car has a fuel cell and a full cage with > other race modifications. > The asking price for it is $4900.00. > I'll be getting some pictures latter this week. > Charly Mitchel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Janzen" > To: "Dennis DeLap" > Cc: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 8:02 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > > >> You might try Bring-a-Trailer or figuring out how to list it for European >> sale. Always seems to me that pricing is higher in the UK, though >> perhaps not for a LHD car. >> >> On Jul 18, 2012, at 10:50 AM, rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com wrote: >> >> The other two TR4's listed along with yours have been on for a long time >> as well and they are only slighly cheaper. I listed a Datsun 2000 for 24K >> a few years back and had thousands of views with only a couple of lame >> inquiries. I ended up selling at 16K and it was in beautiful and race >> ready condition. You can continue to wait it out or drop the price until >> the calls start to come in. >> >> Bob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From list at mackenzie.aero Mon Jul 23 11:21:46 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:21:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for SU HS2 manifold for 1296 Spit engine Message-ID: <000401cd68f7$a34e2230$e9ea6690$@aero> I am starting to build up a 1296 engine and need a manifold. Does anybody have a HS2 manifold for the spit 1296/1500 engine they can part with? Thanks Robert MacKenzie From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Jul 23 18:58:08 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire In-Reply-To: <4F34FEC8AAAD4F519C29DD0AE1C8E244@ComputerPC> References: <9C316C900E4A4E6ABBD696BA1D768D98@bkolnzPC> <8CF369355138893-1FD4-26E04@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> <4F34FEC8AAAD4F519C29DD0AE1C8E244@ComputerPC> Message-ID: <8CF374E86634F9F-AC4-33D7B@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com> Hmmm, I'll check for rivits in both the Delco and Mallory distributors. Thanks, Bob T -----Original Message----- From: Stutzmans To: fot ; robertten1 Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 10:24 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire misfire The bad rotor issue is just with Lucas 25D and 22D dizzys. If your rotor has a rivot throw it away. And get a new red rotor or an old one before rivots. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire misfire > Hi Bill, > > Unfortunately I fried the Pretronix in the Delco distributor so I can't > try > anything with that set-up Though it did have a new good rotor in it along > with > a new cap with brass contacts. Right now I have the Mallory Points Unit > and > set-up in And this did work fine before the rebuild. I will try your > suggestion a replace the rotor and see if I have any luck. > > Thanks, > Bob T > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Collins > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 3:42 pm > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire > > > Joe Hovey, with me helping, rebuilt the engine on the #8 before the Mitty. > When we fired it up for the first time, it had the same misfire you > describe. > We went through all the steps you have, and when nothing worked, Joe > popped > off the Pertronix cap and put a new blue rotor in. It fired right up > and > ran on all four like a dream. Old rotor looked fine... ? > > Blue spare is in the track box and got one for the Dr. > > Bill Collins > '72 (1300) spit racer > DFW, TX. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Jul 23 19:13:56 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Missfire In-Reply-To: <4480D730-D853-4F36-B39C-58984D474133@gmail.com> References: <8CF35A444269BF9-1BE8-17BE8@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> <8CF35B06735E839-E44-1B831@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> <4480D730-D853-4F36-B39C-58984D474133@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CF3750BAF5C1B1-AC4-34234@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com> I swapped the plugs around to the cylinders that fire and those that don't. The same two cylinders that fired fired and one and four nothing. Yes there is spark going to all the plugs, my getting a good jolt a couple times was also confirmation. I'm also looking into any vacuum leaks. Thanks for the tip, Bob T -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: robertten1 Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 8:41 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Missfire Have you confirmed that the plugs aren't firing? If not, remove them, clip on the plug wires, and lay them on the engine so they'll be grounded and then watch for sparks jumping the gaps on all four while the engine is cranked over. Duncan 1952 Morgan #6 Red CVAR On Jul 21, 2012, at 6:33 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: robertten1 > To: blang ; lang > Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:06 pm > Subject: Missfire > > > Bob, > > Hope all is well. Have a problem with the race Spit - Only running on 2 > cylinders # 2 & 3 ?? Tried switching the plug wires around and the firing > order with no success. Tried swapping out the Pertronics system with the > Mallory Set Up with no difference. Even swapped the plugs around with no > difference. > > Any idea where to look next ? I plan to do compression and leak down tests > next. > > > Fresh rebuild, > Bob T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From igofaster at att.net Tue Jul 24 09:49:40 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 08:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] California Air Message-ID: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> just got my DVD in of California Air... there's a real handsome guy at the beginning with a puke yellow GT-6+ that Kas is signing, also seen later on on the fence line crying at the start of the Kastner Kup..... priceless.... ---thank you Kas and Peggy for being so gracious.... Bobby Whitehead From igofaster at att.net Tue Jul 24 13:51:15 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 12:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] California Air In-Reply-To: References: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1343159475.8168.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> primrose, jasmine, puke....yellow.... one of my good friends that raced with CVAR passed away late last year.. Ron Shade, he ran in CP with a 911 Porsche.. as DP (my GT-6+) we ran in the same group 7 with CVAR... a 15 minute session I was usually pretty good, a 20 minute session and I would become a moving pylon for the 911's .... as Ron came around me one time at TWS I had to get a little squirrelly (sp) and get off road a bit to get out of the way.... later in protest (with a beer) I questioned the position I was in with Ron... quote " if you would keep that puke yellow Triumph out of my way.... " .... since then and in respect and memory, I have since always registered as "puke yellow" ... even for the Mitty in April... Bobby Whitehead #39 DP Triumph GT-6+ ________________________________ From: Charles WATSON To: Bobby Whitehead FoT Sent: Tue, July 24, 2012 10:52:22 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] California Air I guess one man's jasmine is another man's puke. Wait, that sounds wrong! Thanks, Chuck Watson Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 08:49:40 -0700 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] California Air > > just got my DVD in of California Air... there's a real handsome guy at the > beginning with a puke yellow GT-6+ that Kas is signing, also seen later on on > the fence line crying at the start of the Kastner Kup..... > priceless.... ---thank you Kas and Peggy for being so gracious.... > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From cwnfot at gmail.com Tue Jul 24 15:02:34 2012 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:02:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] California Air - DVD order...? In-Reply-To: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b401cd69df$a6bdea20$f439be60$@com> Hmmm... I think I ordered a copy of the DVD, did I miss the payment part or am I all set? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jul 24 15:06:27 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:06:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] California Air - DVD order...? In-Reply-To: <00b401cd69df$a6bdea20$f439be60$@com> References: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <00b401cd69df$a6bdea20$f439be60$@com> Message-ID: <64E7854B-0442-48D4-8DA3-1C177021C213@gdhs.com> Must not matter. I paid but don't have one either! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2012, at 5:02 PM, "Clark W. Nicholls" wrote: > Hmmm... > I think I ordered a copy of the DVD, did I miss the payment part or am I all > set? > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 24 18:39:10 2012 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:39:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] California Air In-Reply-To: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There's" NO CRYING" !!! in Vintage racing,,,, panty waste.. Goob. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 10:49 Subject: [Fot] California Air > just got my DVD in of California Air... there's a real handsome guy at > the > beginning with a puke yellow GT-6+ that Kas is signing, also seen later on > on > the fence line crying at the start of the Kastner Kup..... > priceless.... ---thank you Kas and Peggy for being so gracious.... > > Bobby Whitehead From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Jul 25 06:00:12 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:00:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] California Air - DVD order...? In-Reply-To: <64E7854B-0442-48D4-8DA3-1C177021C213@gdhs.com> References: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <00b401cd69df$a6bdea20$f439be60$@com> <64E7854B-0442-48D4-8DA3-1C177021C213@gdhs.com> Message-ID: As my mom used to say T,T,& T.......Things Take Time.....some thing are worth waiting on....we sure couldn't do the footage....as we were driving ! On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 5:06 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Must not matter. I paid but don't have one either! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 24, 2012, at 5:02 PM, "Clark W. Nicholls" wrote: > > > Hmmm... > > I think I ordered a copy of the DVD, did I miss the payment part or am I > all > > set? > > > > Clark > > Clark W. Nicholls > > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > > "Reality, it's not what you think." > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From mmoore at wave1.net Wed Jul 25 07:12:20 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:12:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rear brake adjustment on TR4 Message-ID: <000901cd6a67$1fc9b160$5f5d1420$@net> Just wondering how much you adjust the rear drum brakes. On my street TR4 I adjust them out so the I get one rotation. This is where I set them on the race car, but when tightening the lugs nuts ( wheel off ground and brake pedal pushed in) the wheel still turns. Should I adjust the shoes out more? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 25 07:30:13 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:30:13 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Rear brake adjustment on TR4 In-Reply-To: <000901cd6a67$1fc9b160$5f5d1420$@net> References: <000901cd6a67$1fc9b160$5f5d1420$@net> Message-ID: <003701cd6a69$a0812160$e1836420$@com> I set the adjuster to quite a lock, then one or two steps open. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mike Moore Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Juli 2012 15:12 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Rear brake adjustment on TR4 Just wondering how much you adjust the rear drum brakes. On my street TR4 I adjust them out so the I get one rotation. This is where I set them on the race car, but when tightening the lugs nuts ( wheel off ground and brake pedal pushed in) the wheel still turns. Should I adjust the shoes out more? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From mmoore at wave1.net Wed Jul 25 12:27:15 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:27:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake Pas Message-ID: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> Looking for extra set of racing front pads and rear shoes for my TR4, what do you guys recommend? Where is the best place to get them? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jul 25 12:34:41 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:34:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake Pas In-Reply-To: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> References: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> Message-ID: We use Carbotech front pads and rear shoes from Ted Shumacher John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Moore Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Brake Pas Looking for extra set of racing front pads and rear shoes for my TR4, what do you guys recommend? Where is the best place to get them? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jul 25 12:35:03 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:35:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake Pas In-Reply-To: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> References: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> Message-ID: I run Carbotech AX-6 front pads and am very happy with them. They are a bit pricey and don't last forever but are easy on the rotors, don't leave little bits of molten rotor in the wheel's paint, stop well, don't fade, and don't need a bunch of warming up before use. Jack ran rear shoes that Ted Shumaker (TSI) supplied. It's been a while, I don't remember the exact compound. He ran those with the Carbotech front pads. Tony At 01:27 PM 7/25/2012, Mike Moore wrote: >Looking for extra set of racing front pads and rear shoes for my TR4, what >do you guys recommend? Where is the best place to get them? > > > >Thanks > >Mike > > > >Michael T. Moore, CPA > >2007 West 32nd Street > >Erie, PA 16508 > > > >Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > >Fax: 814-864-7383 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jul 25 12:38:41 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:38:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake Pas In-Reply-To: <20120725183248.C431C2D02BD@autox.team.net> References: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> <20120725183248.C431C2D02BD@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Yep, CTGD500-AX6 is the Carbotech # they are in Charlotte, 704-481-8554 John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:35 PM To: Mike Moore; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake Pas I run Carbotech AX-6 front pads and am very happy with them. They are a bit pricey and don't last forever but are easy on the rotors, don't leave little bits of molten rotor in the wheel's paint, stop well, don't fade, and don't need a bunch of warming up before use. Jack ran rear shoes that Ted Shumaker (TSI) supplied. It's been a while, I don't remember the exact compound. He ran those with the Carbotech front pads. Tony At 01:27 PM 7/25/2012, Mike Moore wrote: >Looking for extra set of racing front pads and rear shoes for my TR4, >what do you guys recommend? Where is the best place to get them? > > > >Thanks > >Mike > > > >Michael T. Moore, CPA > >2007 West 32nd Street > >Erie, PA 16508 > > > >Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > >Fax: 814-864-7383 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 25 12:38:59 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:38:59 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brake Pas In-Reply-To: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> References: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> Message-ID: <005901cd6a94$c40be3b0$4c23ab10$@com> I like gentle braking pads at my car. I run EBC yellow stuff at front and anything stock like at rear. I tried Kendall at rear but they are too sticky when cold. When hot they are great but not better than a 25$ rear brake shoe. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mike Moore Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Juli 2012 20:27 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Brake Pas Looking for extra set of racing front pads and rear shoes for my TR4, what do you guys recommend? Where is the best place to get them? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 25 15:55:16 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] California Air - DVD order...? ORDER STATUS In-Reply-To: <00b401cd69df$a6bdea20$f439be60$@com> References: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <00b401cd69df$a6bdea20$f439be60$@com> Message-ID: <8CF38C74F6087B9-1E0C-F570@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com> Clark, John, and FOT at large, The first two lots of discs were shipped, per orders received, from the UK and received by us. The premium cases and the bubble envelopes were ordered and received by us. Immediately, Six Hours were spent assembling the artwork and discs to cases and putting in sealed plastic. Included in this was final packaging and labeling, then getting to the P.O. There was three generations of family involved in this and no time was wasted. They were shipped starting last Wednesday and Thursday and I know that they are starting to arrive..... I just received another lot of discs, MOMENTS AGO, to do order fulfillment on orders received later. I immediately started assembling disc packages for the P.O. tomorrow. Orders are still coming in and another order will be placed to U.K. Once again, if you plan to order, please do so. It helps me set the number to order in from the UK. If you are anxious to receive CALIFORNIA AIR, I can understand why. It is a brilliant DVD. A must for your archives. ROB DEANES, thanks for pointing out the obvious. NOTE: Our Post Office system is not what it used to be, and worse in some areas of the country. Please be patient and contact me directly. I will answer. Regards, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Clark W. Nicholls To: 'FoT Triumph' Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 4:03 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] California Air - DVD order...? Hmmm... I think I ordered a copy of the DVD, did I miss the payment part or am I all set? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jul 25 17:51:22 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:51:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] California Air - DVD order...? ORDER STATUS In-Reply-To: <8CF38C74F6087B9-1E0C-F570@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com> References: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <00b401cd69df$a6bdea20$f439be60$@com> <8CF38C74F6087B9-1E0C-F570@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3011A2DC-D2FB-490A-802F-37C04FAB7806@gdhs.com> No problem Joe. Got it today! Thanks for your many jobs in keeping FOT on top. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Clark, John, and FOT at large, > > The first two lots of discs were shipped, per orders received, from the UK and > received by us. > > The premium cases and the bubble envelopes were ordered and received by us. > > Immediately, Six Hours were spent assembling the artwork and discs to cases > and putting in sealed plastic. > > Included in this was final packaging and labeling, then getting to the P.O. > There was three generations of family involved in this and no time was wasted. > They were shipped starting last Wednesday and Thursday and I know that they > are starting to arrive..... > > I just received another lot of discs, MOMENTS AGO, to do order fulfillment on > orders received later. I immediately started assembling disc packages for the > P.O. tomorrow. > > Orders are still coming in and another order will be placed to U.K. Once > again, if you plan to order, please do so. It helps me set the number to order > in from the UK. > > If you are anxious to receive CALIFORNIA AIR, I can understand why. It is a > brilliant DVD. A must for your archives. > > ROB DEANES, thanks for pointing out the obvious. > > NOTE: Our Post Office system is not what it used to be, and worse in some > areas of the country. > > Please be patient and contact me directly. I will answer. > > Regards, > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clark W. Nicholls > To: 'FoT Triumph' > Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 4:03 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] California Air - DVD order...? > > > Hmmm... > I think I ordered a copy of the DVD, did I miss the payment part or am I all > set? > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Jul 25 18:15:10 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:15:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers Message-ID: <4EAFBF56-CB62-45B2-B8F1-9F766366E8BB@comcast.net> I'm thinking about buying a trailer and wondered what kinds of things I should be looking for when it comes to getting a lowered car (4.5 inches of clearance for my TR6) onto a trailer without dragging. Dovetailed trailer, length of ramps, tilt bed, height of trailer from ground? Looking for things to avoid and desirable features. How often is a winch needed? Is a sway bar control necessary? Should electric brake and light hookups be separate or one plug? Other than just trying it to see or using geometry is there an index or way to figure what the ramp length needs to be? Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 25 19:51:46 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] apologies to FOT and Clark. Message-ID: <8CF38E8597C7F51-1E0C-10BC6@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I havnt been 'playing well with others', lately. After reading an article on our Triumphs, I sent the scribe a few words of displeasure. I felt the column in question was a bit too negative. In retrospect, I should have left it alone. I still would have liked to have seen a different tone in his treatment of the Kastner Cup TRIUMPHs, but it's not my job to tell him how to write. Then I misunderstood the nature of Clark's inquiry and felt it necessary to explain in great detail how the shipments of CALIFORNIA AIR were prepared. I apologized to Clark. I am uncertain about doing the same with B.S. it was 104 degrees in our area today, but i am not using that as an excuse. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From triumphs at consolidated.net Wed Jul 25 20:24:56 2012 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:24:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] apologies to FOT and Clark. In-Reply-To: <8CF38E8597C7F51-1E0C-10BC6@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF38E8597C7F51-1E0C-10BC6@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3074A94F-9FFE-4169-B76C-EC0BEE2D42B1@consolidated.net> Joe: 100+ degrees is enough said. 104 here today and I don't think I heard a kind word all day. Everybody is justifiably cranky. Btw: I got my California Air last week. Watched it Sunday. I will leave the critical acclaim to others. I enjoyed it :-). Thanks Ken Gano Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2012, at 8:51 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT, > > I havnt been 'playing well with others', lately. > > After reading an article on our Triumphs, I sent the scribe a few words of > displeasure. I felt the column in question was a bit too negative. In > retrospect, I should have left it alone. I still would have liked to have seen > a different tone in his treatment of the Kastner Cup TRIUMPHs, but it's not my > job to tell him how to write. > > Then I misunderstood the nature of Clark's inquiry and felt it necessary to > explain in great detail how the shipments of CALIFORNIA AIR were prepared. > > I apologized to Clark. I am uncertain about doing the same with B.S. > > it was 104 degrees in our area today, but i am not using that as an excuse. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jul 26 08:39:53 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 07:39:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers References: <4EAFBF56-CB62-45B2-B8F1-9F766366E8BB@comcast.net> Message-ID: Bud, I haul a TR6 racecar on a flat trailer and my car has probably only 3 inches of ground clearance. I use 8 foot 2X12 wood planks to drive it up on. It is important how you have the truck and trailer situated and I always look to have the truck higher than the trailer, enabling a bit of tilt on the trailer. I have never scraped or come close to scraping. My trailer is a totally flat trailer and is very light weight. The trailer and car weigh less than 3000 lbs. I tow it with a LR3, and last trip of about 300 miles, I averaged 18mpg, compared to when I hauled a cargo trailer of the same weight and got 12 mpg. My trailer has 2 axels and tows very nicely, I have towed it at 80+ mph, but usually tow at around 70mph. I don't have a winch, hand or electric and usually drive the car on the trailer. I sometimes push it on the trailer, with some help of course. I prefer a single plug, it makes it easier. I've attached a picture from several years ago and this is not my current tow rig. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Rolofson" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:15 PM Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers > I'm thinking about buying a trailer and wondered what kinds of things I > should be looking for when it comes to getting a lowered car (4.5 inches > of clearance for my TR6) onto a trailer without dragging. Dovetailed > trailer, length of ramps, tilt bed, height of trailer from ground? > Looking for things to avoid and desirable features. How often is a winch > needed? Is a sway bar control necessary? Should electric brake and light > hookups be separate or one plug? Other than just trying it to see or > using geometry is there an index or way to figure what the ramp length > needs to be? > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 287.jpg] From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jul 26 08:54:35 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 07:54:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers References: <4EAFBF56-CB62-45B2-B8F1-9F766366E8BB@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2C92F5402E9345849F46E57B46D2F628@Charly> I believe my trailer is this one without the side rails. http://www.carsontrailer.com/subs/atv-trailers/atv-utility-trailer/utility-2-axles/utility-2-axles.html Charly Mitchel Mitchel Plumbing Co. 253-572-1150 charly at mitchelplumbing.com www.mitchelplumbing.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "Bud Rolofson" ; "FOT" Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Low cars and trailers > Bud, I haul a TR6 racecar on a flat trailer and my car has probably only 3 > inches of ground clearance. I use 8 foot 2X12 wood planks to drive it up > on. It is important how you have the truck and trailer situated and I > always look to have the truck higher than the trailer, enabling a bit of > tilt on the trailer. I have never scraped or come close to scraping. > My trailer is a totally flat trailer and is very light weight. The > trailer > and car weigh less than 3000 lbs. I tow it with a LR3, and last trip of > about 300 miles, I averaged 18mpg, compared to when I hauled a cargo > trailer > of the same weight and got 12 mpg. My trailer has 2 axels and tows very > nicely, I have towed it at 80+ mph, but usually tow at around 70mph. > I don't have a winch, hand or electric and usually drive the car on the > trailer. I sometimes push it on the trailer, with some help of course. I > prefer a single plug, it makes it easier. > I've attached a picture from several years ago and this is not my current > tow rig. > > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bud Rolofson" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:15 PM > Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers > > >> I'm thinking about buying a trailer and wondered what kinds of things I >> should be looking for when it comes to getting a lowered car (4.5 inches >> of clearance for my TR6) onto a trailer without dragging. Dovetailed >> trailer, length of ramps, tilt bed, height of trailer from ground? >> Looking for things to avoid and desirable features. How often is a winch >> needed? Is a sway bar control necessary? Should electric brake and light >> hookups be separate or one plug? Other than just trying it to see or >> using geometry is there an index or way to figure what the ramp length >> needs to be? >> >> Thanks >> Bud Rolofson >> >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> levilevi at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > 287.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jul 26 09:06:02 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:06:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers In-Reply-To: <2C92F5402E9345849F46E57B46D2F628@Charly> References: <4EAFBF56-CB62-45B2-B8F1-9F766366E8BB@comcast.net> <2C92F5402E9345849F46E57B46D2F628@Charly> Message-ID: <0E13C3BB-CD38-4CE9-B9E6-8685A21179ED@me.com> Bud, you haven't said whether you want an enclosed trailer or an open trailer - makes a difference on some of these questions. Basically, you want to buy something that is designed as a car trailer, so that it has the dovetail design to ease the entrance angle transition. Once you get that, there shouldn't be a clearance issue. People make it work with flat trailers but if you are buying one there's no point in compromising on this as there's usually not a cost difference. I think torsion bar/load leveling hitches are hugely beneficial with an enclosed trailer, having towed without one for years and now using one. Shouldn't be needed on a lightweight open trailer with most tow vehicles. I think you'll end up with a single electrical connection for brakes/lights. If you are not in a rush, go to the next local race event - SCCA or vintage - and walk the paddock to see what people are using. Shop around a lot as new trailer prices vary widely. I love my aluminum Worthington trailer, but a great basic trailer is Haulmark. Go for the best quality you can afford as you'll probably live with it for 20 years. On Jul 26, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: I believe my trailer is this one without the side rails. http://www.carsontrailer.com/subs/atv-trailers/atv-utility-trailer/utility-2-axles/utility-2-axles.html Charly Mitchel Mitchel Plumbing Co. 253-572-1150 charly at mitchelplumbing.com www.mitchelplumbing.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "Bud Rolofson" ; "FOT" Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Low cars and trailers > Bud, I haul a TR6 racecar on a flat trailer and my car has probably only 3 > inches of ground clearance. I use 8 foot 2X12 wood planks to drive it up > on. It is important how you have the truck and trailer situated and I > always look to have the truck higher than the trailer, enabling a bit of > tilt on the trailer. I have never scraped or come close to scraping. > My trailer is a totally flat trailer and is very light weight. The trailer > and car weigh less than 3000 lbs. I tow it with a LR3, and last trip of > about 300 miles, I averaged 18mpg, compared to when I hauled a cargo trailer > of the same weight and got 12 mpg. My trailer has 2 axels and tows very > nicely, I have towed it at 80+ mph, but usually tow at around 70mph. > I don't have a winch, hand or electric and usually drive the car on the > trailer. I sometimes push it on the trailer, with some help of course. I > prefer a single plug, it makes it easier. > I've attached a picture from several years ago and this is not my current > tow rig. > > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Rolofson" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:15 PM > Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers > > >> I'm thinking about buying a trailer and wondered what kinds of things I >> should be looking for when it comes to getting a lowered car (4.5 inches >> of clearance for my TR6) onto a trailer without dragging. Dovetailed >> trailer, length of ramps, tilt bed, height of trailer from ground? >> Looking for things to avoid and desirable features. How often is a winch >> needed? Is a sway bar control necessary? Should electric brake and light >> hookups be separate or one plug? Other than just trying it to see or >> using geometry is there an index or way to figure what the ramp length >> needs to be? >> >> Thanks >> Bud Rolofson >> >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> levilevi at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 287.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jul 26 09:13:08 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] apologies to FOT and Clark. Message-ID: <29f8e.6049e7e9.3d42b884@aol.com> In a message dated 07/25/2012 8:52:07 PM Central Daylight Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > I havnt been 'playing well with others', lately. > Joe... It's your unbridled passion for things TRIUMPH. That's a good thing from where we sit. Don't lose any sleep over it. Bill (Damdinger) From igofaster at att.net Thu Jul 26 18:37:30 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] racing, but not a Triumph Message-ID: <1343349450.73679.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> finally got a video of my Mustang on youtube... NOT TRIUMPH related but RACING... http://youtu.be/h0jCWHzuMqY Bobby Whitehead From clw2000 at msn.com Thu Jul 26 18:56:00 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 20:56:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] racing, but not a Triumph In-Reply-To: <1343349450.73679.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1343349450.73679.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bobby, the Amish (so I am told) allow their post teen male kids to experience a year of freedom to decide if they want to stay with the Amish or go into the rest of the world. It ususally consists of the kid living in a trailer behind the parents' house smoking pot for a year before coming back into the fold. Anyway, don't inhale. Disclaimer....Bobby got me into FOT, so all is in jest. Thanks, Chuck Watson Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:37:30 -0700 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] racing, but not a Triumph > > finally got a video of my Mustang on youtube... > NOT TRIUMPH related but RACING... > > http://youtu.be/h0jCWHzuMqY > > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From hakhutch at roadrunner.com Thu Jul 26 19:12:22 2012 From: hakhutch at roadrunner.com (Tim Hutchisen) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:12:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers References: <4EAFBF56-CB62-45B2-B8F1-9F766366E8BB@comcast.net> Message-ID: Bud, I purchased a heavy open landscape trailer a few years back. 5000GVW 16 footer. Trailer weighs 1700# and has 2 brake axles . The bed is flat and it works well for moving LBC's. It is similar to the one Charly Mitchell sent the link to you. The only issue is having to raise the tongue of the trailer to take some of the angle out from the ramp to the bed. I purchased a set of ramps with mine and carry some blocking in the truck to add under the ramps to decrease the angle if needed. I now have a winch as well, I found Superwinch's "winch-in-a-bag" on sale at the local big box parts retailer. 2000# winch, 12volt (powered with my portable battery pack). Works awesome. It is a portable winch that has no problem pulling a classic Saab 900 onto the trailer. It also winches in reverse to unload. I also use this winch pulling disabled cars into the shop. I have loaded and towed numerous LBC's with this set up and have yet to bottom out. Tim Hutchisen Norway, ME Penn Ridge Motors ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Rolofson" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:15 PM Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers > I'm thinking about buying a trailer and wondered what kinds of things I > should be looking for when it comes to getting a lowered car (4.5 inches > of clearance for my TR6) onto a trailer without dragging. Dovetailed > trailer, length of ramps, tilt bed, height of trailer from ground? > Looking for things to avoid and desirable features. How often is a winch > needed? Is a sway bar control necessary? Should electric brake and light > hookups be separate or one plug? Other than just trying it to see or > using geometry is there an index or way to figure what the ramp length > needs to be? > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jul 27 08:34:35 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] A.R.E. TR6 HS on Speed Reality Show "HARD PARTS" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF3A1C13979375-1D60-1EFB6@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> FOT: This comes from Sean Alexander. I also heard about this from CMS's Gary Hunter. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Watch the reality show Hard Parts South Bronx episode Vapor Locked. Saturday at 9pm central time on SPEED 07/28 | 10:00pm ET Vapor Locked The show designs a heat shield for 1972 TVR that has a TR6 engine in it that has a vapor lock problem...he goes thru the process of a mock-up card board model template and then having one hand fabed from alum that looks almost identical to ours......long story short the close up when they instal it on the car its not the alum one he had hand fabed but is clearly our stainless steel one because you can see the the "E" of the "ARE" logo. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- BTW, the original design for this Heat Shield was borrowed from an aluminum one that IRV KOREY had on his TR6 from the early 70s. We refined the design and changed the material to Stainless Steel and put it on production equipment. THANKS IRV! Joe A. From SStarkweather at vbisd.org Fri Jul 27 11:02:54 2012 From: SStarkweather at vbisd.org (Scott Starkweather) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:02:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Change of E-mail address Message-ID: <5012917E020000B60005EC35@mail.vbisd.org> I need to know if it is possible to change my e-mail address? currently it is sstarkweather at vbisd.org I need to change it to scottstarkweather at rocketmail.com Thanks, Scott Starkweather 269 208 6103 From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Jul 27 11:44:03 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] A.R.E. TR6 HS on Speed Reality Show "HARD PARTS" In-Reply-To: <8CF3A1C13979375-1D60-1EFB6@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3A1C13979375-1D60-1EFB6@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: > FOT: > > > > This comes from Sean Alexander. I also heard about this from CMS's Gary > Hunter. I was wondering if anyone else caught this... in my case, the show was on but I was not actively watching. I look up and see the carbs and the guys playing with carboard and say to myself "huh, TVR2500" Then I see the shield they indicated that they had it fab'd and said to myself "wow, that sure looks familiar". Interesting. Too bad they're too cheap to give a proper endorsment. =;-0 c yas, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 27 12:43:48 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:43:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A.R.E. TR6 HS on Speed Reality Show "HARD PARTS" In-Reply-To: <8CF3A1C13979375-1D60-1EFB6@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3A1C13979375-1D60-1EFB6@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I use the official A.R.E. Carb heat shield on my TVR. Thanks again Joe. Dennis On Jul 27, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > > > This comes from Sean Alexander. I also heard about this from CMS's Gary > Hunter. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Watch the reality show Hard Parts South Bronx episode Vapor Locked. Saturday > at 9pm central time on SPEED > > 07/28 > | 10:00pm ET > Vapor Locked > > The show designs a heat shield for 1972 TVR that has a TR6 engine in it that > has a vapor lock problem...he goes thru the process of a mock-up card board > model template and then having one hand fabed from alum that looks almost > identical to ours......long story short the close up when they instal it on > the car its not the alum one he had hand fabed but is clearly our stainless > steel one because you can see the the "E" of the "ARE" logo. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > BTW, the original design for this Heat Shield was borrowed from an aluminum > one that IRV KOREY had on his TR6 from the early 70s. We refined the design > and changed the material to Stainless Steel and put it on production > equipment. THANKS IRV! > > Joe A. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From walt at hot-tr6.com Fri Jul 27 17:07:58 2012 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:07:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A.R.E. TR6 HS on Speed Reality Show "HARD PARTS" In-Reply-To: <8CF3A1C13979375-1D60-1EFB6@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3A1C13979375-1D60-1EFB6@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000601cd6c4c$aa5369c0$fefa3d40$@hot-tr6.com> These shows have very little to do with reality. The sad thing is that I don't think you would actually have to have all the fake drama to have an interesting auto repair shop show. Hell, just hang around my garage most any evening or weekend when I'm not racing and you can see plenty of real drama. "No Dear, that is not a new engine block, racing camshaft, expensive tool, race tires, etec.etc.etc." Now that's reality!! Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 8:35 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] A.R.E. TR6 HS on Speed Reality Show "HARD PARTS" FOT: This comes from Sean Alexander. I also heard about this from CMS's Gary Hunter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Watch the reality show Hard Parts South Bronx episode Vapor Locked. Saturday at 9pm central time on SPEED 07/28 | 10:00pm ET Vapor Locked The show designs a heat shield for 1972 TVR that has a TR6 engine in it that has a vapor lock problem...he goes thru the process of a mock-up card board model template and then having one hand fabed from alum that looks almost identical to ours......long story short the close up when they instal it on the car its not the alum one he had hand fabed but is clearly our stainless steel one because you can see the the "E" of the "ARE" logo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- BTW, the original design for this Heat Shield was borrowed from an aluminum one that IRV KOREY had on his TR6 from the early 70s. We refined the design and changed the material to Stainless Steel and put it on production equipment. THANKS IRV! Joe A. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri Jul 27 18:58:15 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid inside the car (driver's floor) In-Reply-To: <005901cd6a94$c40be3b0$4c23ab10$@com> References: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> <005901cd6a94$c40be3b0$4c23ab10$@com> Message-ID: <1343437095.14006.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Does this mean that the master cylinder needs rebuilding? If so, what is the situation with the brake booster? Is it likely to have gotten contaminated or is it only possible that it did? From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri Jul 27 19:00:32 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid in the car (driver's side floor) In-Reply-To: <005901cd6a94$c40be3b0$4c23ab10$@com> References: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> <005901cd6a94$c40be3b0$4c23ab10$@com> Message-ID: <1343437232.28445.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> By the way, this is a 74 TR6. Thanks, Jim From clw2000 at msn.com Sun Jul 29 06:31:03 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 08:31:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Golden Gate Races Message-ID: I believe there was some interest on the list recently about the old Golden Gate Park races. I ran across this magazine for sale on Ebay for $8 which apparently has an article about it so I thought I'd pass it along http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130738964057&ssPageName=AD ME:B:SS:US:1123 or, on Ebay, search: Motorsport sept 1952 le mans 24 hour race-nascar-hill climb-ulster trophy race Thanks, Chuck Watson Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 29 08:31:06 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY " SPITFIRE & GT6" MAGAZINE - FOT FEATURED Message-ID: <8CF3BADEC9021AA-30C-1C9B4@webmail-d167.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Courtesy of the editor, I got a preview of the upcoming magazine issue. There is a SPITFIRE featured on the cover of the magazine while on the grid, surrounded by several other well know TRIUMPHS. The article is well crafted and features a large number of pictures of our race cars. Howard Baugues, EDITOR, is also this year's president of NORTH AMERICAN SPITFIRE SQUADRON. I have also invited him and his NASS organization to the 2013 Kastner Cup at Road America next September. We have had a substantial increase in interest in Spitfires & GT6s in vintage racing. Perhaps we can draw a few more racers from the ranks of NASS. Seems like a good thing for all of us. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From levilevi at comcast.net Sun Jul 29 11:43:06 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:43:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bought a trailer Message-ID: <14C97944-6D1E-4C9A-AA54-2DD08BF1BB4E@comcast.net> List, Thanks to everyone for providing great input on trailers and what to look for. I bought a 18 ft. Featherlite 3110 all aluminum trailer and the seller delivered it to my house today. The trailer has only a few thousand miles on it and it's in great shape. It only weights 1400 lbs. with a 7000 lb towing capacity. The ramps are 6 ft. and very light and easy to handle. The tires are like new and it has a couple of nice options (wind shield, tool box, ball lock, locks for ramps) And I don't have buyer's remorse unlike a lot of things I've bought...I'm actually pretty stoked. http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/Featherlite%203110%20trailer/ I have always admired the Featherlite trailers so now I finally have one. I went with an open trailer for less wind resistance and buffeting so hopefully the gas mileage won't suffer as much as with an enclosed trailer. I'll be towing mostly around Colorado until I get too old to drive to VTR and then the TR6 will probably be hauled on it. Until then it should work for towing a race car to the local races. I went with all aluminum for the low maintenance and that the light weight (about half of steel trailers the same size). I went for 18 ft. since everyone said it'd be easier to tie down the car than a shorter trailer. Crazy thing is the seller lived 1/2 a mile from me. One of the many great tips I got from the list was to take a 2x4 the same length as my wheelbase and put nails in the ends equal to my ground clearance. That really helped so I didn't have to drive the car onto every trailer I looked at to tell if it would drag or not (thanks to Duncan for that one). Thanks again for all the great ideas and input. It made this process much easier. Regards Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 29 16:06:14 2012 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:06:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] No name aluminum flywheel Message-ID: <3F9DEA3A66774FA1BAEF10F4DBCA088A@bkolnzPC> I know this a stretch,, but I want to replace the 6.5" friction plate on my aluminum flywheel. It came off of a 1963 1147, and is now on my 1300 racer. I had some issues at the Mitty which Barry Munson (my pit dude for the week-end) helped me get through. That issue is fixed, but under the glass there seems to be some wear that I don't want to think about going forward. It has twelve fasteners, and other than that has no identifying markings. Any input would be appreciated. Bill Collins #8(1) yellow TX From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 29 19:08:24 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Bought a trailer In-Reply-To: <14C97944-6D1E-4C9A-AA54-2DD08BF1BB4E@comcast.net> References: <14C97944-6D1E-4C9A-AA54-2DD08BF1BB4E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CF3C06F33201B5-DB0-256EE@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> Outstanding buy without the depreciation of a brand new one. Great Iowa product produced about one hour from me. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bud Rolofson To: FOT Sent: Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:46 pm Subject: [Fot] Bought a trailer List, Thanks to everyone for providing great input on trailers and what to look for. I bought a 18 ft. Featherlite 3110 all aluminum trailer and the seller delivered it to my house today. The trailer has only a few thousand miles on it and it's in great shape. It only weights 1400 lbs. with a 7000 lb towing capacity. The ramps are 6 ft. and very light and easy to handle. The tires are like new and it has a couple of nice options (wind shield, tool box, ball lock, locks for ramps) And I don't have buyer's remorse unlike a lot of things I've bought...I'm actually pretty stoked. http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/Featherlite%203110%20traile r/ I have always admired the Featherlite trailers so now I finally have one. I went with an open trailer for less wind resistance and buffeting so hopefully the gas mileage won't suffer as much as with an enclosed trailer. I'll be towing mostly around Colorado until I get too old to drive to VTR and then the TR6 will probably be hauled on it. Until then it should work for towing a race car to the local races. I went with all aluminum for the low maintenance and that the light weight (about half of steel trailers the same size). I went for 18 ft. since everyone said it'd be easier to tie down the car than a shorter trailer. Crazy thing is the seller lived 1/2 a mile from me. One of the many great tips I got from the list was to take a 2x4 the same length as my wheelbase and put nails in the ends equal to my ground clearance. That really helped so I didn't have to drive the car onto every trailer I looked at to tell if it would drag or not (thanks to Duncan for that one). Thanks again for all the great ideas and input. It made this process much easier. Regards Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From mmoore at wave1.net Mon Jul 30 06:59:53 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:59:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Southwick rear end Message-ID: <003801cd6e53$368fff40$a3affdc0$@net> My TR4 I just bought has a Southwick rear end and limited slip. The axle seals are leaking, probably from sitting for a few years and that is why my rear brakes are contaminated. Two questions: 1. Are the seals a different size or type than on a stock TR4, if so, where do I get them, and 2. Since this is not in my trusty Haynes manual, how do I remove the axles? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jul 30 07:12:53 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:12:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Southwick rear end In-Reply-To: <003801cd6e53$368fff40$a3affdc0$@net> References: <003801cd6e53$368fff40$a3affdc0$@net> Message-ID: <55608B642F934351A20F8381F053F89B@gdhs.local> Southwick has them $87.96 309 949 2868 John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Moore Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 9:00 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Southwick rear end My TR4 I just bought has a Southwick rear end and limited slip. The axle seals are leaking, probably from sitting for a few years and that is why my rear brakes are contaminated. Two questions: 1. Are the seals a different size or type than on a stock TR4, if so, where do I get them, and 2. Since this is not in my trusty Haynes manual, how do I remove the axles? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 30 07:15:45 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:15:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Southwick rear end In-Reply-To: <003801cd6e53$368fff40$a3affdc0$@net> References: <003801cd6e53$368fff40$a3affdc0$@net> Message-ID: <1343654145.75998.YahooMailRC@web185002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Mike Most of us have the Southwick rear axle conversion in our cars. The axles themselves are quite easy to take out - undo the horseshoe shaped plate that bolts to the flange and pull. The bearings should be the sealed type, and the axle tube may also have a lip seal to keep differential oil from getting to the bearing. If you call Bob at Southwick he will have the replacement part #'s for you. 309-949-2868 Good luck Dennis My TR4 I just bought has a Southwick rear end and limited slip. The axle seals are leaking, probably from sitting for a few years and that is why my rear brakes are contaminated. Two questions: 1. Are the seals a different size or type than on a stock TR4, if so, where do I get them, and 2. Since this is not in my trusty Haynes manual, how do I remove the axles? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From wensley_tr at comcast.net Mon Jul 30 07:57:06 2012 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:57:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Bought a trailer In-Reply-To: <14C97944-6D1E-4C9A-AA54-2DD08BF1BB4E@comcast.net> References: <14C97944-6D1E-4C9A-AA54-2DD08BF1BB4E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000901cd6e5b$34a350d0$9de9f270$@net> You bought a trailer Wow is that like honey I bought a steering wheel can I get the car????? Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud Rolofson Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:43 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Bought a trailer List, Thanks to everyone for providing great input on trailers and what to look for. I bought a 18 ft. Featherlite 3110 all aluminum trailer and the seller delivered it to my house today. The trailer has only a few thousand miles on it and it's in great shape. It only weights 1400 lbs. with a 7000 lb towing capacity. The ramps are 6 ft. and very light and easy to handle. The tires are like new and it has a couple of nice options (wind shield, tool box, ball lock, locks for ramps) And I don't have buyer's remorse unlike a lot of things I've bought...I'm actually pretty stoked. http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/Featherlite%203110%20trail er/ I have always admired the Featherlite trailers so now I finally have one. I went with an open trailer for less wind resistance and buffeting so hopefully the gas mileage won't suffer as much as with an enclosed trailer. I'll be towing mostly around Colorado until I get too old to drive to VTR and then the TR6 will probably be hauled on it. Until then it should work for towing a race car to the local races. I went with all aluminum for the low maintenance and that the light weight (about half of steel trailers the same size). I went for 18 ft. since everyone said it'd be easier to tie down the car than a shorter trailer. Crazy thing is the seller lived 1/2 a mile from me. One of the many great tips I got from the list was to take a 2x4 the same length as my wheelbase and put nails in the ends equal to my ground clearance. That really helped so I didn't have to drive the car onto every trailer I looked at to tell if it would drag or not (thanks to Duncan for that one). Thanks again for all the great ideas and input. It made this process much easier. Regards Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 30 11:37:02 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] calling RUSS WESTFALL Message-ID: <8CF3C9110526817-2F4-6A19@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 30 16:08:11 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Annual Charity Plea (resend) Message-ID: Hi, This is a re-send to FOT because I didn't see it posted there. Sorry if this is a duplicate. This message is SPAM, plain and simple. I'm looking for donations to my SCCA region's (New England Region) Race Against Leukemia (RAL). All the money goes to a 503C3 charity, it's 100% deductable. I get nothing from your donations except bragging rights. If I helped you in any way this year through pictures, stories, etc, please consider a donation in any amount. You can donate at the following web site: http://www.firstgiving.com/fundraiser/robert-lang-1/nerrace The race weekend is the first weekend in AUG, but the site will except donations for some time after that, if you get the urge later. ;-) Thanks in advance! Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Jul 30 21:47:55 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:47:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Caliifornia Air Message-ID: <1343706475.61265.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Guys: Just got in from "vacation" in Mexico and found the DVD in my held mail. Well worth the wait. Nicely done and produced. I especially like the ending. I love seeing Randy Williams using the car the way I thought it should be driven when I built it. Kas; thanks for honoring Randy and the car. Joe; thanks for all your work getting these great DVD's to us. -Ed- From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Jul 30 22:52:10 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:52:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Inaugural Race at The Ridge Motorsports Park Message-ID: <5017647A.1020909@comcast.net> It's not too often that you get to run the first race weekend at a new track. Patty had the opportunity this last weekend to run the first SCCA race at the new venue near Shelton Washington, The Ridge Motorsports Park. There were 4 Triumphs racing at the event, more than I have seen at a Northwest SCCA event in decades. Steve Hare was there in his Spitfire, Charlie Mitchell in his TR6, John James in his TR4 and Patty Norlin in our Spitfire. The weekend was not without issues, but the track was awesome from what I was told - I only took a couple of laps at low speed in an ancient Cortina. The facility is a work in progress, but the word was that the track owner, after seeing how crowded the paved pit areas were, decided that the next phase of pit paving would be double what they were planning to do. 2.5 miles, 16 turns, lots of elevation change and some really challenging turn sequences. Check out the video of the last lap and a half from Saturday's race. This is from our Spitfire with Patty driving. Charlie is in front, and you can catch glimpses of John in Patty's mirror. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9242GH0Ris&feature=plcp From rfdeanes at gmail.com Tue Jul 31 07:43:06 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:43:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Caliifornia Air In-Reply-To: <1343706475.61265.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1343706475.61265.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I also have recieved the DVD and watched it last night, it was great ! Lots of good footage and alot about Kas and all his hard work that we now are enjoying. Alot of interesting history on the 250K car and what it took to make it happen. Thanks to all that put this together...well worth the wait. And all the extra footage that we wouldn't have seen being in the pits keeping our cars going.Looks like it was made by MGM or someone simular. On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:47 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Guys: Just got in from "vacation" in Mexico and found the DVD in my held > mail. > Well worth the wait. Nicely done and produced. I especially like the > ending. I > love seeing Randy Williams using the car the way I thought it should be > driven > when I built it. Kas; thanks for honoring Randy and the car. Joe; thanks > for > all your work getting these great DVD's to us. > -Ed- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 31 07:48:34 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] CALIFORNIA AIR ONE MORE TIME Message-ID: <8CF3D3A4FC83DB4-FFC-D4B7@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> FOT: People have been traveling, out of touch, or working on their TRIUMPHS. Almost every day I have been getting another inquiry.....what's this "CALIFORNIA AIR"? One more time: It is a milestone documentary with Kas and his US/TRIUMPH FACTORY YEARS. It honors Kas' accomplishments with our TRIUMPHS It honors the FOT with footage from THE MITTY It is almost 2 hours long with other historic footage with interviews with factory personnel and US track footage. The artwork is something you will want to display on the shelf. This is no light weight amateur production and it will become more personally valuable with time. If you are on this list it's likely this DVD would be important to you. $28 including packaging and shipping. PayPal: n197tr4 at cs.com or check below Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Sat Jul 28 18:41:58 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Annual Charity Plea Message-ID: Hi, This message is SPAM, plain and simple. I'm looking for donations to my SCCA region's (New England Region) Race Against Leukemia (RAL). All the money goes to a 503C3 charity, it's 100% deductable. I get nothing from your donations except bragging rights. If I helped you in any way this year through pictures, stories, etc, please consider a donation in any amount. You can donate at the following web site: http://www.firstgiving.com/fundraiser/robert-lang-1/nerrace The race weekend is the first weekend in AUG, but the site will except donations for some time after that, if you get the urge later. ;-) Thanks in advance! Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 31 13:41:58 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Message-ID: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of 2014......................... Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' planning. We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the year....maybe later in the second half of the year. New tracks are candidates Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' efforts. I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are candidates. More choices and proposals are requested. Please step forward.....THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From clw2000 at msn.com Tue Jul 31 13:58:14 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:58:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Joe - I would love to see 2014 in the East again. I think the big Mitty FOT participation was partly due to location. I have seen some media about the brand new Atlanta Motorsports Park, which is apparently a first class new track that kindof operates like a country club. Maybe one the FOT is a member......they're at http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ Might make for a neat environment that's different than a festival. I think I could actually have a car ready for the 2014 event - I would hope so :) I'm a novice at all this but I'm happy to help out as needed. Thanks, Chuck Watson > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > > Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of > 2014......................... > > Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' > planning. > > We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the > year....maybe later in the second half of the year. > > New tracks are candidates > Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps > FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. > We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. > > Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. > Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' > efforts. > > I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are > candidates. > More choices and proposals are requested. > > Please step forward.....THANKS! > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 31 14:20:08 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING In-Reply-To: References: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF3D7103574CEE-FFC-12C16@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Charles, thanks for the note. Think 2015. It needs to be further west in 2014. THE MITTY was great and had great support with CMS. ===================================================================== Now for a few words on 2013 2013 at ROAD AMERICA is NOT a huge festival event, but has a lot of the features of one. But we will not have the benefit of big sponsorships.....always something, eh?. I say this because we may need to figure out a way to get some cash in the FOT coffers to support our efforts. I am thinking HOSPITALITY TENT and THURSDAY NITE HEAVY GRAZING. If there are any ideas about sponsors or ways of making some money for 2013, John Houlton and I would love to hear from you. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Charles WATSON To: n197tr4 ; FOT List Sent: Tue, Jul 31, 2012 2:58 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Joe - I would love to see 2014 in the East again. I think the big Mitty FOT participation was partly due to location. I have seen some media about the brand new Atlanta Motorsports Park, which is apparently a first class new track that kindof operates like a country club. Maybe one the FOT is a member......they're at http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ Might make for a neat environment that's different than a festival. I think I could actually have a car ready for the 2014 event - I would hope so :) I'm a novice at all this but I'm happy to help out as needed. Thanks, Chuck Watson > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > > Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of > 2014......................... > > Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' > planning. > > We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the > year....maybe later in the second half of the year. > > New tracks are candidates > Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps > FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. > We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. > > Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. > Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' > efforts. > > I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are > candidates. > More choices and proposals are requested. > > Please step forward.....THANKS! > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jul 31 14:27:13 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:27:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1798055864.411415.1343766433328.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Some of us in the middle of the country would also like to see a K-Cup but that's no secret. jim g Colorado ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles WATSON" To: n197tr4 at cs.com, "FOT List" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:58:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Joe - I would love to see 2014 in the East again. B I think the big Mitty FOT participation was partly due to location. B I have seen some media about the brand new Atlanta Motorsports Park, which is apparently a first class new track that kindof operates like a country club. Maybe one the FOT is a member......they're at http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ B Might make for a neat environment that's different than a festival. B I think I could actually have a car ready for the 2014 event - I would hope so :) I'm a novice at all this but I'm happy to help out as needed. Thanks, Chuck Watson > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > > Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of > 2014......................... > > Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' > planning. > > We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the > year....maybe later in the second half of the year. > > New tracks are candidates > Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps > FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. > We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. > > Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. > Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' > efforts. > > I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are > candidates. > More choices and proposals are requested. > > Please step forward.....THANKS! > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue Jul 31 14:34:44 2012 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:34:44 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Message-ID: <7888325.1343766884970.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> AMP has a very serious, and low, sound limit. I did a survey of sound levels of VDCA cars at one of our events at Roebling Road. Many would have passed the AMP test but not all of them by any means. Mike Jackson - Race Director VDCA -----Original Message----- >From: Charles WATSON >Sent: Jul 31, 2012 3:58 PM >To: n197tr4 at cs.com, FOT List >Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > >Joe - > >I would love to see 2014 in the East again. I think the big Mitty FOT >participation was partly due to location. I have seen some media about the >brand new Atlanta Motorsports Park, which is apparently a first class new >track that kindof operates like a country club. Maybe one the FOT is a >member......they're at http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ Might make for >a neat environment that's different than a festival. I think I could actually >have a car ready for the 2014 event - I would hope so :) > >I'm a novice at all this but I'm happy to help out as needed. > >Thanks, > >Chuck Watson > > > > > > > > >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 >> Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ >> >> Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of >> 2014......................... >> >> Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' >> planning. >> >> We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the >> year....maybe later in the second half of the year. >> >> New tracks are candidates >> Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps >> FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. >> We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. >> >> Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. >> Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' >> efforts. >> >> I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are >> candidates. >> More choices and proposals are requested. >> >> Please step forward.....THANKS! >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jul 31 15:53:00 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:53:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001e01cd6f66$db072bc0$91158340$@rogers.com> I am interested to know more about Russ Moore's brilliant plan?? Witness his efforts?...is it a secret? Thanks Paul MacDonald -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: July 31, 2012 3:42 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of 2014......................... Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' planning. We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the year....maybe later in the second half of the year. New tracks are candidates Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' efforts. I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are candidates. More choices and proposals are requested. Please step forward.....THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jul 31 16:11:30 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:11:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MG vs Triumph Event/Mosport June 2014 In-Reply-To: <001e01cd6f66$db072bc0$91158340$@rogers.com> References: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> <001e01cd6f66$db072bc0$91158340$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <001801cd6f69$6ffdb6c0$4ff92440$@rr.com> We're in the early stages and I have spent time with both the MGVR group and VARAC folks to get all on the same page as part of the planning stage for this event. The board of VARAC meets tomorrow and once we have their full approval I will divulge all to the group. I want to be sure I can deliver on what is in the works before making a general announcement. I ran the initial rough idea past a select few and that was step 1; someone let the cat out of the bag before it was ready. No worries, I see no impediments. All will be known once we get the official nod. It's no secret, I just want to be sure, simple as that. Give me 2 more days and all will be revealed and I'll be better able to give more and accurate information. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 5:53 PM To: 'Joe Alexander'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ I am interested to know more about Russ Moore's brilliant plan?? Witness his efforts?...is it a secret? Thanks Paul MacDonald -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: July 31, 2012 3:42 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of 2014......................... Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' planning. We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the year....maybe later in the second half of the year. New tracks are candidates Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' efforts. I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are candidates. More choices and proposals are requested. Please step forward.....THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From walt at hot-tr6.com Tue Jul 31 16:58:38 2012 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:58:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001cd6f70$06d31710$14794530$@hot-tr6.com> I wish to put in a strong plug for NAPA Speedway in Albuquerque, New Mexico for the 2014 Kastner Cup event. We have a nice 1.7 mile 14 corner technical road course that my local road race club uses. This track is located right off of I-40. The facilities are first class including lots of RV hook-ups. New Mexico has lots to offer when visitors are not on the racetrack. I have spoken to one of the owners of the track and he is very supportive of hosting this event. You can check out the speedway at: www.napaspeedway.com I can be your initial contact on this project if there is any interest. You can also check out some club racing at this track at our website: www.swms.com Thank You for your Consideration Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, New Mexico Ph 505 362-4350 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:42 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of 2014......................... Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' planning. We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the year....maybe later in the second half of the year. New tracks are candidates Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' efforts. I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are candidates. More choices and proposals are requested. Please step forward.....THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com From cofrog at q.com Tue Jul 31 18:22:29 2012 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <1798055864.411415.1343766433328.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> I'm with Jim..... ----- Original Message ----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: "Charles WATSON" Cc: "FOT List" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:27:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Some of us in the middle of the country would also like to see a K-Cup but that's no secret. jim g Colorado ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles WATSON" To: n197tr4 at cs.com, "FOT List" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:58:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Joe - I would love to see 2014 in the East again. B I think the big Mitty FOT participation was partly due to location. B I have seen some media about the brand new Atlanta Motorsports Park, which is apparently a first class new track that kindof operates like a country club. Maybe one the FOT is a member......they're at http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ B Might make for a neat environment that's different than a festival. B I think I could actually have a car ready for the 2014 event - I would hope so :) I'm a novice at all this but I'm happy to help out as needed. Thanks, Chuck Watson > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > > Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of > 2014......................... > > Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' > planning. > > We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the > year....maybe later in the second half of the year. > > New tracks are candidates > Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps > FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. > We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. > > Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. > Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' > efforts. > > I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are > candidates. > More choices and proposals are requested. > > Please step forward.....THANKS! > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Jul 31 18:46:25 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:46:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <0DD3CBCB-1832-4419-ABFA-F821DCB5940A@comcast.net> I'm with Jim and Walt. New Mexico has lots to see and do when not racing and the Albuquerque area would be close relatively speaking for us Coloradans. Bud 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jul 31, 2012, at 6:22 PM, cofrog at q.com wrote: > I'm with Jim..... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > To: "Charles WATSON" > Cc: "FOT List" > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:27:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > > Some of us in the middle of the country would also like to see a K- > Cup but > that's no secret. > > jim g > > Colorado > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Charles WATSON" > To: n197tr4 at cs.com, "FOT List" > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:58:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > > Joe - > > I would love to see 2014 in the East again. B I think the big Mitty > FOT > participation was partly due to location. B I have seen some media > about the > brand new Atlanta Motorsports Park, which is apparently a first > class new > track that kindof operates like a country club. Maybe one the FOT is a > member......they're at http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ B > Might make for > a neat environment that's different than a festival. B I think I could > actually > have a car ready for the 2014 event - I would hope so :) > > I'm a novice at all this but I'm happy to help out as needed. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > > > >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 >> Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ >> >> Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of >> 2014......................... >> >> Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict >> with Russ' >> planning. >> >> We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the >> year....maybe later in the second half of the year. >> >> New tracks are candidates >> Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps >> FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. >> We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. >> >> Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North >> America. >> Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness >> Russ' >> efforts. >> >> I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are >> candidates. >> More choices and proposals are requested. >> >> Please step forward.....THANKS! >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> clw2000 at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From horizonracing at msn.com Tue Jul 31 19:43:37 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (horizonracing at msn.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:43:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: My hope would be the HMSA event as the NAS coronardo in San Diego. Perfect weather, great location. The track it self is averge, but the event as a whole is wonderful. The race event is part of 'Fleet weeks". This years date is sept. 21-23. Tony Garmey Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID -----Original message----- From: cofrog at q.com To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: FOT List Sent: Tue, Jul 31, 2012 17:22:29 PDT Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ I'm with Jim..... ----- Original Message ----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: "Charles WATSON" Cc: "FOT List" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:27:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Some of us in the middle of the country would also like to see a K-Cup but that's no secret. jim g Colorado ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles WATSON" To: n197tr4 at cs.com, "FOT List" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:58:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Joe - I would love to see 2014 in the East again. B I think the big Mitty FOT participation was partly due to location. B I have seen some media about the brand new Atlanta Motorsports Park, which is apparently a first class new track that kindof operates like a country club. Maybe one the FOT is a member......they're at http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ B Might make for a neat environment that's different than a festival. B I think I could actually have a car ready for the 2014 event - I would hope so :) I'm a novice at all this but I'm happy to help out as needed. Thanks, Chuck Watson > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > > Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of > 2014......................... > > Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' > planning. > > We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the > year....maybe later in the second half of the year. > > New tracks are candidates > Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps > FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. > We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. > > Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. > Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' > efforts. > > I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are > candidates. > More choices and proposals are requested. > > Please step forward.....THANKS! > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Jul 31 20:56:34 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:56:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Message-ID: <6g6nwaa4qpjv28ntm23tj52e.1343789794718@email.android.com> I would like to offer up a CVAR event at the relatively new and technical Eagles Canyon raceway in north Texas but we only have one date a year there and it is in May.B ECR has a covered paddock that we could likely secure for the whole FOT gang and we have a couple of north TX FOT who could coordinate (there I go volunteering folks again.....) We also have Hallett in October but we have held the cup there once and we didn't get enough cars to justify another stab at that one.B Sent from my Samsung Galaxy TabJoe Alexander wrote:Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of 2014......................... Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' planning. We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the year....maybe later in the second half of the year. New tracks are candidates Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' efforts. I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are candidates. More choices and proposals are requested. Please step forward.....THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711B (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue Jul 31 19:57:43 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:57:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <0DD3CBCB-1832-4419-ABFA-F821DCB5940A@comcast.net> References: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> <0DD3CBCB-1832-4419-ABFA-F821DCB5940A@comcast.net> Message-ID: <50188D17.8030405@comcast.net> New Mexico is about a 1500 mile tow from Portland, but one I'd be willing to make. I've not spent a lot of time in the area and have heard great things. My suggestion for a left coast venue would be Thunderhill. Challenging track and a great facility. Jim On 7/31/2012 5:46 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > I'm with Jim and Walt. New Mexico has lots to see and do when not > racing and the Albuquerque area would be close relatively speaking for > us Coloradans. > > Bud From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue Jul 31 20:01:29 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:01:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: References: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <50188DF9.5050407@comcast.net> And Tony's got another good thought. Don't know much about it, but I've heard good things about the "event". On 7/31/2012 6:43 PM, horizonracing at msn.com wrote: > My hope would be the HMSA event as the NAS coronardo in San Diego. Perfect > weather, great location. The track it self is averge, but the event as a > whole is wonderful. The race event is part of 'Fleet weeks". This years > date is sept. 21-23. > Tony Garmey > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Tue Jul 31 20:15:48 2012 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1343787348.4722.YahooMailClassic@web111416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Twenty fourteen being the 55th anniversary of the Mini, there is a huge Can-Am Mini Challenge race being planned for Mosport in June of 2014. Can one venue handle two Marque features? I would suggest someplace else for that year. Ken Suhre --- On Tue, 7/31/12, Joe Alexander wrote: From: Joe Alexander Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2012, 2:41 PM Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of 2014......................... Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' planning. We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the year....maybe later in the second half of the year. New tracks are candidates Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' efforts. I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are candidates. More choices and proposals are requested. Please step forward.....THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Tue Jul 31 20:23:21 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:23:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: References: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> <0DD3CBCB-1832-4419-ABFA-F821DCB5940A@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8A4539D4-F48A-4291-872D-557E7B770081@yahoo.com> > I like that we are discussing this now. Helps with the planning moving forward. > > I agree with the Bud, Jim, Dan, and Walt. Either NM or CO would have a large draw due to pent up demand and the activities/tourist attractions in the area. Lots to do in addition to racing. Heck, why not hold it around the Pikes Peak Hill Climb? That is an event you have to see live at least once. > > Since Topeka, many of us in the mountain states have not been able to make the very long tows to Laguna Seca and the Mitty. And Road America is quite a tow as well. We could definitely field a large event if we combined it with one of the RMVR club races or did a closer tow to Albuquerque. > > Just a few ideas to consider moving forward. > > Ty > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) From jason at multivintage.com Tue Jul 31 20:29:46 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 02:29:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <8A4539D4-F48A-4291-872D-557E7B770081@yahoo.com> References: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> <0DD3CBCB-1832-4419-ABFA-F821DCB5940A@comcast.net> <8A4539D4-F48A-4291-872D-557E7B770081@yahoo.com> Message-ID: We are all planning on you rocky mountain guys being at Road America. No excuses. Start planning now. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:23:21 To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > I like that we are discussing this now. Helps with the planning moving forward. > > I agree with the Bud, Jim, Dan, and Walt. Either NM or CO would have a large draw due to pent up demand and the activities/tourist attractions in the area. Lots to do in addition to racing. Heck, why not hold it around the Pikes Peak Hill Climb? That is an event you have to see live at least once. > > Since Topeka, many of us in the mountain states have not been able to make the very long tows to Laguna Seca and the Mitty. And Road America is quite a tow as well. We could definitely field a large event if we combined it with one of the RMVR club races or did a closer tow to Albuquerque. > > Just a few ideas to consider moving forward. > > Ty > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 31 20:45:52 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 22:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <20120801023618.1ECD72D02C0@autox.team.net> References: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> <0DD3CBCB-1832-4419-ABFA-F821DCB5940A@comcast.net> <8A4539D4-F48A-4291-872D-557E7B770081@yahoo.com> <20120801023618.1ECD72D02C0@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CF3DA6E641633D-FFC-14ACF@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> good point Jason...... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: jason To: Tylerpthompson ; fot-bounces Cc: FOT List Sent: Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:38 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ We are all planning on you rocky mountain guys being at Road America. No excuses. Start planning now. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:23:21 To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > I like that we are discussing this now. Helps with the planning moving forward. > > I agree with the Bud, Jim, Dan, and Walt. Either NM or CO would have a large draw due to pent up demand and the activities/tourist attractions in the area. Lots to do in addition to racing. Heck, why not hold it around the Pikes Peak Hill Climb? That is an event you have to see live at least once. > > Since Topeka, many of us in the mountain states have not been able to make the very long tows to Laguna Seca and the Mitty. And Road America is quite a tow as well. We could definitely field a large event if we combined it with one of the RMVR club races or did a closer tow to Albuquerque. > > Just a few ideas to consider moving forward. > > Ty > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From levilevi at comcast.net Sun Jul 1 01:32:59 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 01:32:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <000001cd5746$b25bf2b0$0601a8c0@randall> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , , <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, , , , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com><1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly><4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> <000001cd5746$b25bf2b0$0601a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <056ACCDA-8E02-4F9D-93EF-20ADC877A5AF@comcast.net> Close but the Honda part has a nub that goes into the cover hole as seen in the pics. Doesn't look like the McMaster part does that. http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/Honda%20valve%20cover%20seals/ Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jun 30, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Randall wrote: >> That Honda Part # is 90541-371-000. I've had great luck stopping >> leaks out the cover bolt holes with these. > > Are those similar to > http://www.mcmaster.com/#93781A037 > or something different ? > > -- Randall From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 1 03:54:51 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 11:54:51 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD now torque bars In-Reply-To: References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <001201cd442a$e0dc46a0$a294d3e0$@com> <2028339053-1339072495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-787904219-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <214332522-1339073887-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1856733750-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> Message-ID: <000301cd576f$91f3c1f0$b5db45d0$@com> Hi, I would like to give you an update on the rear axle issue I had. Ive installed bars above the spring to cure the rear axle steer. And it did help. At Spa, especially in the rain the car is more predictable with those bars. I felt no steer caused by the bars but the rear end felt very calm and easy to handle. Instead of using rose joints at all places I put some rubber in place so the stiffening up at cornering I felt on my first test rides is gone. Im happy with it now. Thanks for input. Cheers Chris -----Original Message----- From: MadMarx < tr4racing at googlemail.com> To: 'FOT' < fot at autox.team.net> Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am Subject: [Fot] LSD I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on throttle" and to the left "off throttle". Does anybody see a reason for that? http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE Cheers Chris From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sun Jul 1 04:48:43 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 11:48:43 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <7443CF14-CBD9-438D-AD86-19ED71F4A475@gdhs.com> References: <20120630175214.34F892D08F2@autox.team.net> <8A619A4B-3408-4EC1-BB9E-E13B6685B2CB@gdhs.com> <7443CF14-CBD9-438D-AD86-19ED71F4A475@gdhs.com> Message-ID: <07C8108F-234F-47E2-8ECE-A3E456909221@virgin.net> Guys you can buy an 'adjustable' top fulcrum kit, with which you can move the top wishbones back to get more negative camber. Another benefit is that you can adjust out any twists or tweaks in the top of the turret. You just bolt this lot up in the correct position and then tag weld it all on so that it's solid. TR Enterprises and Revington TR in the UK offer these and it's a better solution than shortening the top arms IMHO because you leave the 'dynamic' geometry in the same configuration as designed. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2012, at 23:44, John Hasty wrote: > Yep.... About 1 to 1/2" out of the upper A arms should do it > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 30, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> I wish there was an adjustment for this, unfortunately I will have to modify > something if I need to change the camber. >> >> I'm going to see what toe-in does and then try toe-out as Jim Gray has > suggested. At least these adjustments can be done relatively quickly. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM, John Hasty wrote: >> I'm with Chris more neg camber >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: >> >>> Try 1/16" total toe out, it'll get rid of that push. >>> jim g >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of brad.kahler at 141.com >>> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:08 AM >>> To: Friends of Triumph >>> Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 >>> >>> Amici, >>> >>> My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, >>> replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite >>> replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor >>> trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I > can >>> detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials >>> this >>> would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering >>> wheel. >>> The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning > the >>> steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it > feels >>> like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the >>> turn. >>> It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in > straight >>> ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of >>> the >>> wheel either direction and it seems to over react. >>> >>> So, is this a toe-in >>> problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? >>> >>> Years ago I had a 73 >>> TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. >>> >>> Other than >>> this issue the car rides smooth as glass. >>> >>> Any suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brad >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 1 07:38:31 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 09:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <07C8108F-234F-47E2-8ECE-A3E456909221@virgin.net> References: <20120630175214.34F892D08F2@autox.team.net> <8A619A4B-3408-4EC1-BB9E-E13B6685B2CB@gdhs.com> <7443CF14-CBD9-438D-AD86-19ED71F4A475@gdhs.com> <07C8108F-234F-47E2-8ECE-A3E456909221@virgin.net> Message-ID: <8CF25A5EFE58016-1C94-4D5AE@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com> Gary Horstkorta has the fixtures to produce a high quality version of this adjustable assembly. I dont know if he is still doing them or what they cost. As I remember it, they were adjustable while on the car. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: TR4 Tony To: John Hasty Cc: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 8:32 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Guys you can buy an 'adjustable' top fulcrum kit, with which you can move the top wishbones back to get more negative camber. Another benefit is that you can adjust out any twists or tweaks in the top of the turret. You just bolt this lot up in the correct position and then tag weld it all on so that it's solid. TR Enterprises and Revington TR in the UK offer these and it's a better solution than shortening the top arms IMHO because you leave the 'dynamic' geometry in the same configuration as designed. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2012, at 23:44, John Hasty wrote: > Yep.... About 1 to 1/2" out of the upper A arms should do it > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 30, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> I wish there was an adjustment for this, unfortunately I will have to modify > something if I need to change the camber. >> >> I'm going to see what toe-in does and then try toe-out as Jim Gray has > suggested. At least these adjustments can be done relatively quickly. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM, John Hasty wrote: >> I'm with Chris more neg camber >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: >> >>> Try 1/16" total toe out, it'll get rid of that push. >>> jim g >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of brad.kahler at 141.com >>> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:08 AM >>> To: Friends of Triumph >>> Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 >>> >>> Amici, >>> >>> My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, >>> replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite >>> replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor >>> trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I > can >>> detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials >>> this >>> would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering >>> wheel. >>> The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning > the >>> steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it > feels >>> like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the >>> turn. >>> It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in > straight >>> ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of >>> the >>> wheel either direction and it seems to over react. >>> >>> So, is this a toe-in >>> problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? >>> >>> Years ago I had a 73 >>> TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. >>> >>> Other than >>> this issue the car rides smooth as glass. >>> >>> Any suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brad >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Sun Jul 1 07:39:57 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 07:39:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] LSD now torque bars In-Reply-To: <000301cd576f$91f3c1f0$b5db45d0$@com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <001201cd442a$e0dc46a0$a294d3e0$@com> <2028339053-1339072495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-787904219-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <214332522-1339073887-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1856733750-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <000301cd576f$91f3c1f0$b5db45d0$@com> Message-ID: <42A0110B-68F2-4AA2-828C-7050DDD757EF@yahoo.com> Any pics you can share Chris? Thx Ty Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2012, at 3:54 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > Hi, > > > > I would like to give you an update on the rear axle issue I had. > > Ive installed bars above the spring to cure the rear axle steer. > > And it did help. > > At Spa, especially in the rain the car is more predictable with those bars. > > I felt no steer caused by the bars but the rear end felt very calm and easy > to handle. > > Instead of using rose joints at all places I put some rubber in place so the > stiffening up at cornering I felt on my first test rides is gone. > > > > Im happy with it now. > > Thanks for input. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MadMarx < tr4racing at googlemail.com> > To: 'FOT' < fot at autox.team.net> > Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am > Subject: [Fot] LSD > > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > throttle" and to the left "off throttle". > > Does anybody see a reason for that? > > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 1 08:11:27 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 16:11:27 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD now torque bars In-Reply-To: <42A0110B-68F2-4AA2-828C-7050DDD757EF@yahoo.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <001201cd442a$e0dc46a0$a294d3e0$@com> <2028339053-1339072495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-787904219-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <214332522-1339073887-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1856733750-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <000301cd576f$91f3c1f0$b5d b45d0$@com> <42A0110B-68F2-4AA2-828C-7050DDD757EF@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001cd5793$68fa8530$3aef8f90$@com> Sure I can. The rods are taken from the Spitfire. I welded a M8 nut on the front. And I welded an extension on the axle tube: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3r6FX4NXsZw/T8_IiglnzXI/AAAAAAAABYE/sfCYJ bBJyn0/s761/DSC02759.JPG Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Tylerpthompson [mailto:tylerpthompson at yahoo.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. Juli 2012 15:40 An: MadMarx Cc: fot Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD now torque bars Any pics you can share Chris? Thx Ty Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2012, at 3:54 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > Hi, > > > > I would like to give you an update on the rear axle issue I had. > > Ive installed bars above the spring to cure the rear axle steer. > > And it did help. > > At Spa, especially in the rain the car is more predictable with those bars. > > I felt no steer caused by the bars but the rear end felt very calm and easy > to handle. > > Instead of using rose joints at all places I put some rubber in place so the > stiffening up at cornering I felt on my first test rides is gone. > > > > Im happy with it now. > > Thanks for input. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MadMarx < tr4racing at googlemail.com> > To: 'FOT' < fot at autox.team.net> > Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am > Subject: [Fot] LSD > > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > throttle" and to the left "off throttle". > > Does anybody see a reason for that? > > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 1 08:17:12 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 16:17:12 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 In-Reply-To: <07C8108F-234F-47E2-8ECE-A3E456909221@virgin.net> References: <20120630175214.34F892D08F2@autox.team.net> <8A619A4B-3408-4EC1-BB9E-E13B6685B2CB@gdhs.com> <7443CF14-CBD9-438D-AD86-19ED71F4A475@gdhs.com> <07C8108F-234F-47E2-8ECE-A3E456909221@virgin.net> Message-ID: <000101cd5794$37638de0$a62aa9a0$@com> Depending on what you need a stronger camber gain might be desirable. I run 4.5 static camber and it gains about 2 degree at full bump. A well thought bump steer correction makes fast driving on the Nordschleife easy. The car is always very calm on bumpy corners. On bump steer the suspension is set to toe out. On normal ride toe in. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von TR4 Tony Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. Juli 2012 12:49 An: John Hasty Cc: Friends of Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 Guys you can buy an 'adjustable' top fulcrum kit, with which you can move the top wishbones back to get more negative camber. Another benefit is that you can adjust out any twists or tweaks in the top of the turret. You just bolt this lot up in the correct position and then tag weld it all on so that it's solid. TR Enterprises and Revington TR in the UK offer these and it's a better solution than shortening the top arms IMHO because you leave the 'dynamic' geometry in the same configuration as designed. Regards Tony Sent from my iPhone On 30 Jun 2012, at 23:44, John Hasty wrote: > Yep.... About 1 to 1/2" out of the upper A arms should do it > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 30, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> I wish there was an adjustment for this, unfortunately I will have to modify > something if I need to change the camber. >> >> I'm going to see what toe-in does and then try toe-out as Jim Gray has > suggested. At least these adjustments can be done relatively quickly. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Brad >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM, John Hasty wrote: >> I'm with Chris more neg camber >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 30, 2012, at 1:38 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: >> >>> Try 1/16" total toe out, it'll get rid of that push. >>> jim g >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of brad.kahler at 141.com >>> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 8:08 AM >>> To: Friends of Triumph >>> Subject: [Fot] Toe-in question on TR4 >>> >>> Amici, >>> >>> My question is on my street TR4. I've rebuilt the steering rack, >>> replaced the tie rod ends, new Kumho 195/65R15 tires on new mini-lite >>> replicas. Stock front suspension components with the 3 degree castor >>> trunnions. The suspension is tight with no slop in the steering that I > can >>> detect. Toe-in has been set to 1/16" (I read somewhere that for radials >>> this >>> would be the appropriate setting). Smaller diameter later TR6 steering >>> wheel. >>> The problem is when coming into a turn and when you first start turning > the >>> steering wheel the car acts like it wants to start turning and then it > feels >>> like you're plowing into the corner and it seems to not want to make the >>> turn. >>> It takes two hands on the steering wheel to make the turn. Also in > straight >>> ahead driving it seems real twitchy. In other words a slight movement of >>> the >>> wheel either direction and it seems to over react. >>> >>> So, is this a toe-in >>> problem? If so do I need more toe-in or less toe-in? >>> >>> Years ago I had a 73 >>> TR6 and I don't remember this kind of response from the steering. >>> >>> Other than >>> this issue the car rides smooth as glass. >>> >>> Any suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brad >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 1 08:20:15 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 16:20:15 +0200 Subject: [Fot] LSD now torque bars In-Reply-To: <42A0110B-68F2-4AA2-828C-7050DDD757EF@yahoo.com> References: <7041997.1338401615997.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <002601cd3f3b$a1a4e0d0$e4eea270$@com> <8CF0D6CDF76227F-AE8-32AC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com> <20120531185341.BB3452D0330@autox.team.net> <67008F0C-CD27-4E84-A109-C89004B64573@bnj.com> <20120531201756.036962D036B@autox.team.net> <20120601014146.748D92D03F3@autox.team.net> <4FC82887.0@bradakis.com> <000401cd3fea$7fdc8cf0$7f95a6d0$@com> <95CFFEAB-6654-4F70-80D1-BCEC56C80A29@virgin.net> <003001cd40e2$6305e650$2911b2f0$@com> <001201cd442a$e0dc46a0$a294d3e0$@com> <2028339053-1339072495-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-787904219-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <214332522-1339073887-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1856733750-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry> <000301cd576f$91f3c1f0$b5d b45d0$@com> <42A0110B-68F2-4AA2-828C-7050DDD757EF@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000201cd5794$a6df49c0$f49ddd40$@com> Maybe the video is interesting too? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8Wx0_DPVm8 -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Tylerpthompson [mailto:tylerpthompson at yahoo.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. Juli 2012 15:40 An: MadMarx Cc: fot Betreff: Re: [Fot] LSD now torque bars Any pics you can share Chris? Thx Ty Sent from my iPhone On Jul 1, 2012, at 3:54 AM, "MadMarx" wrote: > Hi, > > > > I would like to give you an update on the rear axle issue I had. > > Ive installed bars above the spring to cure the rear axle steer. > > And it did help. > > At Spa, especially in the rain the car is more predictable with those bars. > > I felt no steer caused by the bars but the rear end felt very calm and easy > to handle. > > Instead of using rose joints at all places I put some rubber in place so the > stiffening up at cornering I felt on my first test rides is gone. > > > > Im happy with it now. > > Thanks for input. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: MadMarx < tr4racing at googlemail.com> > To: 'FOT' < fot at autox.team.net> > Sent: Thu, May 31, 2012 7:42 am > Subject: [Fot] LSD > > I have the trouble that the car does pull a little to the right "on > throttle" and to the left "off throttle". > > Does anybody see a reason for that? > > http://youtu.be/uMKqfOfSqGE > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From mlcooknj at msn.com Sun Jul 1 08:47:20 2012 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 10:47:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE In-Reply-To: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It will be in TVT #133 that I'm finishing up right now. Mike > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:41:53 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE > > Mike Cook was very busy at the MITTY with interviews. I suspect one of the > next issues of the award winning VTR magazine will contain a lot of content on > our favorite TRIUMPH PEOPLE as well as the Kastner Cup. > > Likely worth the price of a year's membership with VTR. If you look at the > masthead with names, you will find that the FOT is well represented. The > magazine covers FOT activities extensively, too. > > Witness the FOT/VTR event poster. This is a collaboration between our groups > and is funded by VTR with production by ISOA's Joe Pawlak at his cost. > > Please consider membership to support them in return. Expect this > collaboration to continue in future years with another event poster in 2013 at > Road America. > > > Joe Alexander > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 1 09:12:57 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 11:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE In-Reply-To: References: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF25B321A48E46-1C94-4EE2F@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com> perhaps you could announce the 11th Running of the Kastner Cup at Road America? i know that VTR and the ISOA folks are going to be interested in making plans for this. this is a popular event in North America. It will be the first time that TRIUMPH has been featured since 1996. a lot of attention to this event by VSCDA and Road America is expected. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: michael cook To: Joe Alexander ; fot Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 9:47 am Subject: RE: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE It will be in TVT #133 that I'm finishing up right now. Mike > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:41:53 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY and THE VTR MAGAZINE > > Mike Cook was very busy at the MITTY with interviews. I suspect one of the > next issues of the award winning VTR magazine will contain a lot of content on > our favorite TRIUMPH PEOPLE as well as the Kastner Cup. > > Likely worth the price of a year's membership with VTR. If you look at the > masthead with names, you will find that the FOT is well represented. The > magazine covers FOT activities extensively, too. > > Witness the FOT/VTR event poster. This is a collaboration between our groups > and is funded by VTR with production by ISOA's Joe Pawlak at his cost. > > Please consider membership to support them in return. Expect this > collaboration to continue in future years with another event poster in 2013 at > Road America. > > > Joe Alexander > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mlcooknj at msn.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jul 1 08:05:59 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 07:05:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Oil collecting on TR6 valve cover In-Reply-To: <056ACCDA-8E02-4F9D-93EF-20ADC877A5AF@comcast.net> References: <20120609211011.034412D022C@autox.team.net>, , , <000e01cd4989$dd8bb440$98a31cc0$@com>, , , , <001801cd4d2c$90aeb180$b20c1480$@com>, , , <003801cd4d6d$ce748850$6b5d98f0$@com>, , , <004001cd4d71$b4e0b180$1ea21480$@com>, , , <005101cd4d78$28e2f830$7aa8e890$@com>, , <2059601167-1340047349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328786063-@b15.c2.bise7.blackberry><000001cd514f$ab5edec0$021c9c40$@com><1340687573.94892.YahooMailRC@web180609.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><66A74D6EAFD84ECD89C157C94D30E1E6@Charly><4FEA17F8.5080508@bradakis.com> <000001cd5746$b25bf2b0$0601a8c0@randall> <056ACCDA-8E02-4F9D-93EF-20ADC877A5AF@comcast.net> Message-ID: <006c01cd5792$a4f27fd0$0601a8c0@randall> Thanks for the explanation and photos, Bud. -- Randall From gregsk at bell.net Sun Jul 1 09:46:49 2012 From: gregsk at bell.net (GregKerr) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 11:46:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Any TR7 or TR8 racers in the group? References: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: This is my first post so I hope I'm doing this correctly. My name is Greg Kerr. I own a Triumph TR8 on the street. My friend Bruce Luke (TR3 owner) and I have just purchased an immaculate period correct racing TR7 from member Paul McDonald. Bruce and I raced Spitfires together as young bucks in the 1970's and now that we've both just turned 60, we've decided to relive the foolishness of our youth and get back into racing. :-) The car is very tricked out but currently has only a mildly modified TR7 engine in it. This setup will be fine for our first season in 2013. We haven't raced for a long time so this engine will get us through driver's school and our novice races in the first season. For 2014 we're not quite sure what we want to with the engine but are considering a either a dolomite sprint engine or converting to the Rover 3.5 V8. We already have a sprint head and also have two V8 engines. I'm tending to lean towards the V8 as I'm familiar with that engine but Bruce is keen on the sprint engine. Its really an either or, since we could go either way. There is lots of tuning info and resources for the V8 in North America but we can't find any resources on the sprint engine on our side of the pond. Just wondering if anybody in the group has any experience or thoughts about racing a standard TR7 8 valve vs dolomite sprint engine vs the V8. Greg From gregsk at bell.net Sun Jul 1 10:36:21 2012 From: gregsk at bell.net (GregKerr) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 12:36:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Any TR7 or TR8 racers in the group? References: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> <8CF25BCC8C9B524-1C94-4FA04@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the response Joe. Bruce and I are solid Triumph guys. My first street car at age 19 was a 68 Spitfire as was my first race car. Many years ago when we were young lads racing our Spits, Bruce also owned a TR3 and has always wanted another one. He's just completing a restoration at the moment. The car will be immaculate when completed. I know Ted Schumacher quite well. He built my TR8 engine for my street car about 20 yrs ago. Interesting story on my TR8. I sold it in 1995 and then bought it back three owners later in 2010. Other sources I know is Woody from the Wedge Shop in Mass and Peter Bulkowski in Ontario. Peter races an IMSA TR8 that was prepared for him 30+ yrs by Group 44. If we go the TR8 we won't go that wild. We'd prepare our car more like a SCCA CP TR8 from that era. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Alexander To: gregsk at bell.net ; mlcooknj at msn.com Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 12:22 PM Subject: Re: Any TR7 or TR8 racers in the group? Nice introduction....thanks! The TR7 and The TR8 is becoming more and more a part of vintage racing. It's inevitable as time marches on. You can help us promote the idea as a logical expansion of Triumph racing with your TR7. It is likely your TR7 would be accepted in the 2013 Kastner Cup and consider this a sincere invitation, to join us in September of 2013. I hope you hear from some folks on your questions. I think Ted Schumacher is a specialist in Wedges, but you likely already know that. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: GregKerr To: michael cook ; Joe Alexander ; fot Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 10:46 am Subject: Any TR7 or TR8 racers in the group? This is my first post so I hope I'm doing this correctly. My name is Greg Kerr. I own a Triumph TR8 on the street. My friend Bruce Luke (TR3 owner) and I have just purchased an immaculate period correct racing TR7 from member Paul McDonald. Bruce and I raced Spitfires together as young bucks in the 1970's and now that we've both just turned 60, we've decided to relive the foolishness of our youth and get back into racing. :-) The car is very tricked out but currently has only a mildly modified TR7 engine in it. This setup will be fine for our first season in 2013. We haven't raced for a long time so this engine will get us through driver's school and our novice races in the first season. For 2014 we're not quite sure what we want to with the engine but are considering a either a dolomite sprint engine or converting to the Rover 3.5 V8. We already have a sprint head and also have two V8 engines. I'm tending to lean towards the V8 as I'm familiar with that engine but Bruce is keen on the sprint engine. Its really an either or, since we could go either way. There is lots of tuning info and resources for the V8 in North America but we can't find any resources on the sprint engine on our side of the pond. Just wondering if anybody in the group has any experience or thoughts about racing a standard TR7 8 valve vs dolomite sprint engine vs the V8. Greg From garygret at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 1 11:44:59 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 10:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Any TR7 or TR8 racers in the group? In-Reply-To: References: <8CF24F663879621-1FCC-44B33@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1341164699.48585.YahooMailRC@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greg, I believe Yves Boode at Historic Racecar in Woodstock IL is knowledgeable on TR7 running gear and could give you some insights. He builds engines and preps the car for an endurance team that runs a TR7, but I think they recently converted to a Ford engine for reliability. He's built Mini and TR4 engines for me and is a good honest guy. http://www.historicracecar.com/contact.html or (815) 337-4001. The TR8 I had was great but I also had a TR7 which was a disappointment. I'm not familiar with the Dolomites but if I had a V8 in the garage it would be an easy decision in my mind :-) Regards, Gary Schneider ________________________________ From: GregKerr To: michael cook ; Joe Alexander ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, July 1, 2012 11:10:55 AM Subject: [Fot] Any TR7 or TR8 racers in the group? This is my first post so I hope I'm doing this correctly. My name is Greg Kerr. I own a Triumph TR8 on the street. My friend Bruce Luke (TR3 owner) and I have just purchased an immaculate period correct racing TR7 from member Paul McDonald. Bruce and I raced Spitfires together as young bucks in the 1970's and now that we've both just turned 60, we've decided to relive the foolishness of our youth and get back into racing. :-) The car is very tricked out but currently has only a mildly modified TR7 engine in it. This setup will be fine for our first season in 2013. We haven't raced for a long time so this engine will get us through driver's school and our novice races in the first season. For 2014 we're not quite sure what we want to with the engine but are considering a either a dolomite sprint engine or converting to the Rover 3.5 V8. We already have a sprint head and also have two V8 engines. I'm tending to lean towards the V8 as I'm familiar with that engine but Bruce is keen on the sprint engine. Its really an either or, since we could go either way. There is lots of tuning info and resources for the V8 in North America but we can't find any resources on the sprint engine on our side of the pond. Just wondering if anybody in the group has any experience or thoughts about racing a standard TR7 8 valve vs dolomite sprint engine vs the V8. Greg _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net From barry at penybryn.ca Sun Jul 1 17:01:04 2012 From: barry at penybryn.ca (Barry Munson) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 17:01:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 Message-ID: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Amici - As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: Engine - 61.0 lbs Chassis - 11.0 lbs Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will forward one immediately. I can also supply the source and cost for any of the components. I have checked the archives for such a compilation and couldn't find one - that doesn't necessarily mean that it's not there.. Barry. From levilevi at comcast.net Sun Jul 1 17:39:37 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 17:39:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 In-Reply-To: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> References: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Message-ID: <0823C9C4-890A-45C8-91E0-F0E06075C258@comcast.net> Barry, Please send me a copy of your component table. I'm in the process of making similar type decisions on what parts to use and what race category it would put me in to use certain parts. Weight considerations are high priority part of that process so your timing for me could not be better. Thanks for sharing. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jul 1, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Barry Munson wrote: > Amici - > > As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary > process > from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two > years, one of > the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue > of > weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce > the > weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of > the > majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising > either > safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things > like the > addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, > increasing > the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not > considered. What > I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy > components for > stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later > models of > the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two > years I > have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring > bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and > cost has > been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that > knowledge. > > The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component > breakdown: > > Engine - 61.0 lbs > > Chassis - 11.0 lbs > > Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the > components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and > performance. > > > > I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where > this > reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for > team.net > therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and > I will > forward one immediately. I can also supply the source and cost for > any of > the components. I have checked the archives for such a compilation and > couldn't find one - that doesn't necessarily mean that it's not > there.. > > > > Barry. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sun Jul 1 18:02:21 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 19:02:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 In-Reply-To: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> References: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Message-ID: <8252952C-A9FA-46B0-9BF8-F37690F5A14B@gmail.com> Alfin rear drums might save a bit of unsprung weight (if you can find them). I had a set on the front of my early drum-braked '56 TR3 and I'm pretty sure they would have fit on the rear as well. Disc wheels will be lighter than wire wheels but if you removed 16 lbs at each axle I'm guessing you've already done this. An aluminum radiator will be lighter than the stock item. Duncan (Texas) On Jul 1, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Barry Munson wrote: > Amici - > > As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process > from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of > the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of > weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the > weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the > majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either > safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the > addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing > the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What > I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for > stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of > the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I > have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring > bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has > been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. > > The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: > > Engine - 61.0 lbs > > Chassis - 11.0 lbs > > Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the > components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. > > > > I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this > reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net > therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will > forward one immediately. I can also supply the source and cost for any of > the components. I have checked the archives for such a compilation and > couldn't find one - that doesn't necessarily mean that it's not there.. > > > > Barry. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 1 18:38:09 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 20:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 alloy engine plates In-Reply-To: <8252952C-A9FA-46B0-9BF8-F37690F5A14B@gmail.com> References: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> <8252952C-A9FA-46B0-9BF8-F37690F5A14B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CF26021655F640-1C94-52BB5@webmail-d087.sysops.aol.com> Perhaps this is a good time to shamelessly mention that we launched a new production run on: TR3 TR4 TR6 FRONT TR6 REAR MORGAN TR3 and TR4 are about five weeks out The rest are about four weeks out. we still have an abundance of GT6 REARS. SPITFIRE REARS are available. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: FOT team Sent: Sun, Jul 1, 2012 7:05 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 Alfin rear drums might save a bit of unsprung weight (if you can find them). I had a set on the front of my early drum-braked '56 TR3 and I'm pretty sure they would have fit on the rear as well. Disc wheels will be lighter than wire wheels but if you removed 16 lbs at each axle I'm guessing you've already done this. An aluminum radiator will be lighter than the stock item. Duncan (Texas) On Jul 1, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Barry Munson wrote: > Amici - > > As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process > from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of > the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of > weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the > weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the > majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either > safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the > addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing > the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What > I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for > stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of > the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I > have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring > bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has > been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. > > The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: > > Engine - 61.0 lbs > > Chassis - 11.0 lbs > > Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the > components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. > > > > I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this > reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net > therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will > forward one immediately. I can also supply the source and cost for any of > the components. I have checked the archives for such a compilation and > couldn't find one - that doesn't necessarily mean that it's not there.. > > > > Barry. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jul 1 20:43:03 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 19:43:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 In-Reply-To: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> References: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Message-ID: <01dc01cd57fc$67ab0a10$0601a8c0@randall> > Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. Just curious, has anyone tried reducing the diameter of the rear half shafts from the splines out to near the seal area? Obviously torque can't be an issue, since the splines are smaller; and I wouldn't think the relatively small side load would be an issue but ??? -- Randall From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Jul 2 11:29:28 2012 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (brad.kahler at 141.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 13:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] castor, camber, toe-in and all things mysterious Message-ID: <1341250168.23381072@mail.141.com> Ok, The discussion recently on whether I might have a toe-in problem on my street TR4 raised a few other questions that Ibm guessing can be answered by the group. While doing a little research on the subject I found this interesting comment from Wikipedia, b Off-road vehicles such as agricultural tractors generally use positive camber.b Somehow this seemed appropriate, after all we are talking about cars with tractor engines :) Looking at the numbers used by Triumph for the various models: TR4 Caster = 3 deg + Camber = 2 deg + Toe-in = 1/8b Swivel pin = 7 deg TR4A/250 Caster = 2-3/4 deg + Camber = 1/2 deg + Toe-in = 1/16b Swivel pin = 8-1/2 deg TR6 Caster = 2-3/4 deg + Camber = 1/2 deg + Toe-in = 1/16b Swivel pin = 9 deg Ibm not sure what the Swivel pin reference means. Ibve not seen that term used before regarding the front suspension. >From reading the archives it seems the most common preference for camber is -1.5 degrees. Assuming I managed to get the suspension set to -1.5 degrees camber what kind of tire wear would I expect to see? Right now the car does not have a front sway bar, however I do have one (Addco) to install. I just need to find replacement bushings. If -1.5 is such a good number why didn't Triumph use that number? Will adding a sway bar up front make that much difference for a street use TR4? Living in Kentucky there are plenty of roads for me to test the various changes made to the front suspension! Coincidentally, while playing with tire pressures the other day I found that the gauge I had been using (one of those cheap sticks with the rod that pops out) was reading about 3 psi low. So when I thought I had 28 psi in the tires I only had 25. I didn't realize those sticks were that inaccurate. Using a digital gauge I've found that 32 psi seems to be a reasonable number. Thanks, Brad From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 2 12:00:38 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 20:00:38 +0200 Subject: [Fot] castor, camber, toe-in and all things mysterious In-Reply-To: <1341250168.23381072@mail.141.com> References: <1341250168.23381072@mail.141.com> Message-ID: <001001cd587c$977db780$c6792680$@com> When our cars were young they focused on easy steering. With positive camber the car has less forces on the steering wheel. You see even F1 cars with positive camber. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von brad.kahler at 141.com Gesendet: Montag, 2. Juli 2012 19:29 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] castor, camber, toe-in and all things mysterious Ok, The discussion recently on whether I might have a toe-in problem on my street TR4 raised a few other questions that Ibm guessing can be answered by the group. While doing a little research on the subject I found this interesting comment from Wikipedia, b Off-road vehicles such as agricultural tractors generally use positive camber.b Somehow this seemed appropriate, after all we are talking about cars with tractor engines :) Looking at the numbers used by Triumph for the various models: TR4 Caster = 3 deg + Camber = 2 deg + Toe-in = 1/8b Swivel pin = 7 deg TR4A/250 Caster = 2-3/4 deg + Camber = 1/2 deg + Toe-in = 1/16b Swivel pin = 8-1/2 deg TR6 Caster = 2-3/4 deg + Camber = 1/2 deg + Toe-in = 1/16b Swivel pin = 9 deg Ibm not sure what the Swivel pin reference means. Ibve not seen that term used before regarding the front suspension. >From reading the archives it seems the most common preference for camber is -1.5 degrees. Assuming I managed to get the suspension set to -1.5 degrees camber what kind of tire wear would I expect to see? Right now the car does not have a front sway bar, however I do have one (Addco) to install. I just need to find replacement bushings. If -1.5 is such a good number why didn't Triumph use that number? Will adding a sway bar up front make that much difference for a street use TR4? Living in Kentucky there are plenty of roads for me to test the various changes made to the front suspension! Coincidentally, while playing with tire pressures the other day I found that the gauge I had been using (one of those cheap sticks with the rod that pops out) was reading about 3 psi low. So when I thought I had 28 psi in the tires I only had 25. I didn't realize those sticks were that inaccurate. Using a digital gauge I've found that 32 psi seems to be a reasonable number. Thanks, Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From Catpusher at aol.com Mon Jul 2 15:29:16 2012 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 17:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 Message-ID: <26cb6.786dbb1.3d236cac@aol.com> For road racing, weight high up and towards the front is the top priority. For TR2 & 3 vintage racers, the first 555 TR2s built had alloy bonnets and boot lids fitted as standard, so these have always been legal, if you can find them. I spent thousands of hours taking weight off our TR3, and with SCCA safety equipment, it was down to 1700 lbs. Many fuel cell regs. allow moving from the standard location, so it is a good example of moving required items to lower the CG and polar moment. Feel free to send a copy of your list. In terms of safety, there is no safer way to race than jumping into the lead and then extending it. TR Regards, Hardy From: "Barry Munson" To: Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 Message-ID: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Amici - As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: Engine - 61.0 lbs Chassis - 11.0 lbs Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will forward one immediately From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 16:59:29 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 17:59:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] castor, camber, toe-in and all things mysterious In-Reply-To: <1341250168.23381072@mail.141.com> References: <1341250168.23381072@mail.141.com> Message-ID: <43B5ECAE-7E24-4049-B38A-876386EA155C@gmail.com> Brad, I think "swivel pin" refers to the virtual kingpin inclination angle (note that the change from 2 deg + camber to 1/2 deg + between the TR4 and TR4a alters the swivel pin angle by 1-1/2 degree). That would be an imaginary line drawn through both the top and bottom swivel point, be it a trunnion or ball joint. 1.5 degrees negative should not drastically alter tire life on a street car. Note that addition of an anti-sway bar on the front, while it will cause the car to heel over less, it will also INCREASE understeer, and adding a heavier aftermarket bar will increase understeer even more. If you are trying to keep the body roll under control but didn't like the plowing sensation you were getting before, you might want to evaluate the benefit of adding a rear anti-sway bar also, which would counteract the understeer added in by the front anti-sway bar. Duncan (Texas) From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jul 2 12:18:01 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 11:18:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] castor, camber, toe-in and all things mysterious In-Reply-To: <1341250168.23381072@mail.141.com> References: <1341250168.23381072@mail.141.com> Message-ID: <03d001cd587f$04bb5850$0e3208f0$@rr.com> > Ib m not sure > what the Swivel pin reference means. Ib ve not seen that term used > before > regarding the front suspension. I believe it refers to the inclination of the steering axis towards the center of the car, more commonly called King Pin inclination (even though these suspensions don't have king pins). In other words, castor tips the axis from front to rear, while king pin/swivel pin tips it left or right. Triumph presumably used positive camber because it had "always been done that way". If I remember correctly, bias-ply tires either liked positive camber or didn't care as much; radials are more sensitive. And while I'll certainly agree that negative works better, the stock geometry isn't all that bad. > Will adding a sway bar > up front make that much difference for a street use TR4? It's easy enough to add, my suggestion is to try it for yourself. If you don't like it, take it off. I certainly miss it on my street TR3 (had to take it off when I put on the proper early front apron, as the bumper brackets are different and the bar mounts to those brackets). -- Randall From rfdeanes at gmail.com Tue Jul 3 05:47:50 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 07:47:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cool Video that I wish I had made! In-Reply-To: References: <16339317.1341001152392.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <51E455C3-29EC-4C50-B81E-58AE2F5099E6@comcast.net> Message-ID: That was very good and truely some work on both ends...video and building the motor...great music to go with the work. On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:43 PM, MARKANDGLENDA PENDERGRASS < mpendy at dishmail.net> wrote: > Now that was truely a piece of artwork!!!...........thanks > MJP > > On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Steven Groh wrote: > > > Love it!!! > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jun 29, 2012, at 4:19 PM, steve wrote: > > > > > http://youtu.be/daVDrGsaDME > > > > > > ~STEVE > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sgroh1 at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mpendy at dishmail.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jul 3 10:03:24 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:03:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 In-Reply-To: <26cb6.786dbb1.3d236cac@aol.com> References: <26cb6.786dbb1.3d236cac@aol.com> Message-ID: What do you do about the 1950 Lb. mim. Weight requirement followed by SVRA and most of the other groups with which I race??? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Catpusher at aol.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 5:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 For road racing, weight high up and towards the front is the top priority. For TR2 & 3 vintage racers, the first 555 TR2s built had alloy bonnets and boot lids fitted as standard, so these have always been legal, if you can find them. I spent thousands of hours taking weight off our TR3, and with SCCA safety equipment, it was down to 1700 lbs. Many fuel cell regs. allow moving from the standard location, so it is a good example of moving required items to lower the CG and polar moment. Feel free to send a copy of your list. In terms of safety, there is no safer way to race than jumping into the lead and then extending it. TR Regards, Hardy From: "Barry Munson" To: Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 Message-ID: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Amici - As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: Engine - 61.0 lbs Chassis - 11.0 lbs Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will forward one immediately _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 3 10:12:26 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 18:12:26 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 In-Reply-To: References: <26cb6.786dbb1.3d236cac@aol.com> Message-ID: <003501cd5936$a447b000$ecd71000$@com> As we build up our own rules be independent from FIA historic we are allowed to run 1714 lbs for a TR 4. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von john hasty Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Juli 2012 18:03 An: Catpusher at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 What do you do about the 1950 Lb. mim. Weight requirement followed by SVRA and most of the other groups with which I race??? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Catpusher at aol.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 5:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 For road racing, weight high up and towards the front is the top priority. For TR2 & 3 vintage racers, the first 555 TR2s built had alloy bonnets and boot lids fitted as standard, so these have always been legal, if you can find them. I spent thousands of hours taking weight off our TR3, and with SCCA safety equipment, it was down to 1700 lbs. Many fuel cell regs. allow moving from the standard location, so it is a good example of moving required items to lower the CG and polar moment. Feel free to send a copy of your list. In terms of safety, there is no safer way to race than jumping into the lead and then extending it. TR Regards, Hardy From: "Barry Munson" To: Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 Message-ID: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Amici - As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: Engine - 61.0 lbs Chassis - 11.0 lbs Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will forward one immediately _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From gp89 at charter.net Tue Jul 3 11:09:59 2012 From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 13:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spring cleaning Message-ID: <16d05984.a6aed.1384dd1ed97.Webtop.43@charter.net> With the temps heading near 100 in southern Wi. it didn't seem like a good idea to be painting outside. Since the shop has a.c. cleaning up a little sounds like a better idea. Before I put some items on ebay I thought someone here might be interested. I have an early Spit differential with 4:55 gears. It is welded but has some light damage to the pinion. It still turns easy. I will include a n.o.s. ring and pinion. Next is a Stahl header for an 1147 Spit light surface rust but in good condition. To help loose some weight you can't shake I have an aluminum bell housing. It is the thick ribbed one. This is also very good, it is notched for the Stahl header. I also have a couple of de-arched rear springs. I live a little north of Blackhawk farms if that helps. Contact me off list for details. Jeff Senty From jason at multivintage.com Tue Jul 3 11:12:09 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:12:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Mitty Articles Message-ID: Hey Guys and Gals. Happy Independence Day. Perhaps your tired of hearing about the Kastner Cup and the Mitty, but here is a link to my clubs latest newsletter. There are two rather detailed articles about that weekend. One is by my friend and racing buddy from his perspective about our group and the trip. (pretty long) Mine is a little shorter.... and there's lots of cool photos, thanks to some Fot'ers for pictures of my car from the same spot 40 years apart! Check out the online mag "The Rod Knock" you'll find them in there http://nsscc.org/files/rod_knock/RK2012Jun.pdf Have a good 4th! Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Jul 3 20:19:36 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 21:19:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 In-Reply-To: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> References: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Message-ID: <4FF3A838.3040803@pobox.com> The previous owner of my TR3 (now John Hasty's) cut out the entire spare tire carrier sheet metal when he installed a fuel cell. That was a lot of sheet metal and weight removed. The car weighed about 1925 lbs even though it had some other heavy components on it. As with most POs he did the job very poorly and removed all the structural integrity also, but I was able to redo it to give structural integrity along with the weight reduction. Don't really know whether it was legal, except that most organization want it to weigh 2000 lbs. Larry On 7/1/2012 6:01 PM, Barry Munson wrote: > Amici - > > As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process > from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of > the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of > weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the > weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the > majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either > safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the > addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing > the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What > I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for > stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of > the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I > have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring > bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has > been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. > > The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: > > Engine - 61.0 lbs > > Chassis - 11.0 lbs > > Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. > > In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the > components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. > > > > I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this > reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net > therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will > forward one immediately. I can also supply the source and cost for any of > the components. I have checked the archives for such a compilation and > couldn't find one - that doesn't necessarily mean that it's not there.. > > > > Barry. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From bkahler1 at gmail.com Wed Jul 4 09:33:27 2012 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 11:33:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] test Message-ID: Just changing emails From donmarshall at nefcom.net Wed Jul 4 10:30:35 2012 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 12:30:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: TR6 kit In-Reply-To: References: <1BB45AE37908DF40B3C2FAB9665E09453D37397DD3@uncwexmb1.dcs.uncw.edu> Message-ID: > I have a '75 TR6 body, frame and engine (disassembled) for sale. If > anyone is looking to build a TR6 vintage race car this would be an > excellent start. See details below. Also, it would be a very good > replacement for a rusted out restoration project. $2,500 for everything. > > ** ** > > The body was stripped and painted about 15 years ago, and has been in > storage since. The floors were replaced but not finish painted inside so > there's a little very minor surface rust. I have receipts for about $6,000 > that was spent on the body and paint alone. It looks really good for a race > car or even as a replacement for someone's rusted out TR6 street car. > There's one small area of rust at the bottom of the rear valance and a few > scratches from being moved around on dollies, but otherwise the body is > very good. The body is off the frame right now. I'll have to put it back > to roll it onto someone's trailer.**** > > ** ** > > The frame appears to be solid, and was adapted for tube shocks on the > rear, but I'm not sure which version. There has been some work done where > the trailing arms are attached to reinforce that area.**** > > ** ** > > The engine has been disassembled and the transmission is non-overdrive > (condition unknown). I will include a spare disassembled engine (minus the > head and carbs), plus an extra frame that needs lots of work plus whatever > other TR6 stuff I have. There may be missing pieces that won't matter to a > race car or would be available from another TR6 that someone is replacing > the body on. The car is located in northeast Florida, near Jacksonville. > Don Marshall 904-259-9668 if you have any questions. You can see pictures > of the body at > https://picasaweb.google.com/107929701240347359715?authkey=Gv1sRgCLvKw9CS_ai29AE > **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Jul 4 15:21:54 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 17:21:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace Message-ID: <4FF4B3F2.2020000@cfl.rr.com> I recall someone mentioned making the brace between the spring turrets adjustable or knew someone selling them made up. Anyone help appreciated. Bob TR3 in progress. From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 4 19:49:09 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 21:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace ADJUSTABLE ALUMINUM CAMBER CONTROL ROD. In-Reply-To: <4FF4B3F2.2020000@cfl.rr.com> References: <4FF4B3F2.2020000@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <8CF2867811CD070-132C-2343B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> Bob, et.al. We have the design in place to produce them and have the prototypes on the TR4 #197 and the AMBRO. And they have been on there for several years. If there was enough interest and advance orders, maybe we could talk Sean into doing a production run. There is some adjustability available...Kas says he did this by cutting a section out and rewelding. These are anodized aluminum tubes with heim joints and set up for easy removal to clear the engine block. Nice looking piece, too. Sean was mulling over the design so it would fit street cars and clear the fan. That's where the project stalled out. Let me know your interest and I will make a plea to SEAN. 10 POSITVE RESPONSES might do it. I was estimating about $100 retail for a ready to install kit. I think there are a couple pictures on photobucket.com/ambro Thanks for the inquiry Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Davis To: fot Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2012 8:18 pm Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace I recall someone mentioned making the brace between the spring turrets adjustable or knew someone selling them made up. Anyone help appreciated. Bob TR3 in progress. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 4 20:00:38 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 22:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace ADJUSTABLE ALUMINUM CAMBER CONTROL ROD. In-Reply-To: <8CF2867811CD070-132C-2343B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> References: <4FF4B3F2.2020000@cfl.rr.com> <8CF2867811CD070-132C-2343B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF28691B918910-132C-234C3@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> The pictures ARE on photobucket.com/ambro. There are four pictures The computer generated drawing is more representative of the final bracket design. And Sean has run of few of those, but needs to make a couple minor change to be production ready. We could likely run 25 kits in production and still be cost effective with it. Let us know if there is an interest. Otherwise, the project will remain dormant Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: rdavis4 ; fot Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2012 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace ADJUSTABLE ALUMINUM CAMBER CONTROL ROD. Bob, et.al. We have the design in place to produce them and have the prototypes on the TR4 #197 and the AMBRO. And they have been on there for several years. If there was enough interest and advance orders, maybe we could talk Sean into doing a production run. There is some adjustability available...Kas says he did this by cutting a section out and rewelding. These are anodized aluminum tubes with heim joints and set up for easy removal to clear the engine block. Nice looking piece, too. Sean was mulling over the design so it would fit street cars and clear the fan. That's where the project stalled out. Let me know your interest and I will make a plea to SEAN. 10 POSITVE RESPONSES might do it. I was estimating about $100 retail for a ready to install kit. I think there are a couple pictures on photobucket.com/ambro Thanks for the inquiry Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Davis To: fot Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2012 8:18 pm Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace I recall someone mentioned making the brace between the spring turrets adjustable or knew someone selling them made up. Anyone help appreciated. Bob TR3 in progress. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Jul 4 20:10:25 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis) Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 22:10:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace ADJUSTABLE ALUMINUM CAMBER CONTROL ROD. In-Reply-To: <8CF2867811CD070-132C-2343B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> References: <4FF4B3F2.2020000@cfl.rr.com> <8CF2867811CD070-132C-2343B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4FF4F791.5060908@cfl.rr.com> Count me in if it fits a TR3 frame. Bob On 7/4/12 9:49 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Bob, et.al. > > We have the design in place to produce them and have the prototypes on > the TR4 #197 and the AMBRO. And they have been on there for several years. > > If there was enough interest and advance orders, maybe we could talk > Sean into doing a production run. > > There is some adjustability available...Kas says he did this by > cutting a section out and rewelding. > > These are anodized aluminum tubes with heim joints and set up for easy > removal to clear the engine block. > > Nice looking piece, too. > > Sean was mulling over the design so it would fit street cars and clear > the fan. That's where the project stalled out. Let me know your > interest and I will make a plea to SEAN. 10 POSITVE RESPONSES might > do it. > > I was estimating about $100 retail for a ready to install kit. I > think there are a couple pictures on photobucket.com/ambro > > Thanks for the inquiry > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Davis > To: fot > Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2012 8:18 pm > Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace > > I recall someone mentioned making the brace between the spring turrets > adjustable or knew someone selling them made up. Anyone help appreciated. > > Bob > TR3 in progress. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive:http://www.team.net/archive > Forums:http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Jul 4 22:07:26 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 21:07:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace ADJUSTABLE ALUMINUM CAMBER CONTROL ROD. In-Reply-To: <4FF4F791.5060908@cfl.rr.com> References: <4FF4B3F2.2020000@cfl.rr.com><8CF2867811CD070-132C-2343B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> <4FF4F791.5060908@cfl.rr.com> Message-ID: <028101cd5a63$b028d2e0$0601a8c0@randall> > Count me in if it fits a TR3 frame. Me too. But I think the TR3 is at least an inch or two narrower at that point, so it would take quite a bit of range to cover both. -- Randall From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jul 5 06:18:21 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 08:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace ADJUSTABLE ALUMINUM CAMBER CONTROL ROD. In-Reply-To: <028101cd5a63$b028d2e0$0601a8c0@randall> References: <4FF4B3F2.2020000@cfl.rr.com><8CF2867811CD070-132C-2343B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> <4FF4F791.5060908@cfl.rr.com> <028101cd5a63$b028d2e0$0601a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <8CF28BF661C5E6B-9D0-2578F@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> There would be two lengths of threaded tubes, one for TR3 and one for TR4. After that there are differences with the bolt patterns of the mounting brackets. The biggest obstacle is moving it up in priorities for the initial production run. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Randall To: 'Joe Alexander' Cc: fot Sent: Wed, Jul 4, 2012 11:07 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3/TR4 frame cross brace ADJUSTABLE ALUMINUM CAMBER CONTROL ROD. > Count me in if it fits a TR3 frame. Me too. But I think the TR3 is at least an inch or two narrower at that point, so it would take quite a bit of range to cover both. -- Randall From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 06:37:45 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 07:37:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Texas TR engine/trans Message-ID: <54CE5235-7899-4804-930E-3EAEEF86EEB0@gmail.com> Hi guys -- Kramer and Blake types might want to check this out -- a TR engine block and transmission (probably a non-synchro first gear, TR3 transmission but he doesn't say) in South Padre. Block and transmission plus engine stand for $250 -- but no head and no crankshaft. Duncan From fpspitfire at comcast.net Thu Jul 5 11:20:43 2012 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (Aaron Johnson) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 13:20:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Needed: right front headlight surround for mk4/1500 Message-ID: <69FF1E5C-BCBC-436D-82DC-7749F9827EA5@comcast.net> I need a right side aluminium headlight surround from a 1500 or mk4. I broke mine in the altercation with a miata. Something close to Illinois would be good. Next day air better :) Aaron From triosan at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 12:22:47 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 11:22:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mitty Articles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks JAson, great articles and pictures by both of you. I especially enjoyed the comparison pictures of your car over a 40 year time span -- same color, same turn! On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote: > Hey Guys and Gals. > Happy Independence Day. > Perhaps your tired of hearing about the Kastner Cup and the Mitty, but here > is a link to my clubs latest newsletter. There are two rather detailed > articles about that weekend. > One is by my friend and racing buddy from his perspective about our group > and the trip. (pretty long) > Mine is a little shorter.... and there's lots of cool photos, thanks to > some Fot'ers for pictures of my car from the same spot 40 years apart! > > Check out the online mag "The Rod Knock" you'll find them in there > http://nsscc.org/files/rod_knock/RK2012Jun.pdf > > Have a good 4th! > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing 1969 GT6+ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From jhd11 at hotmail.com Fri Jul 6 07:46:52 2012 From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 13:46:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car Message-ID: Not Triumph related but please be on the lookout for my stolen MG Midget race car. Car is a full race EMRA/SCCA car with a full cage and a 1275 engine. A distinguishing feature is an add on bar to the rear hoop for a previous taller driver. Car is yellow (or was!). Also taken was my single axle trailer. Trailer was green/aqua with a tire rack and storage box on the front. The doors were taken off the storage shed and both trailer and car were stolen. Thanks in advance. Joe Downer Charlotte, N.C. 800-332-2486 From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue Jul 3 10:16:54 2012 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 Message-ID: <518c.24422c00.3d2474f6@aol.com> That's where you get to put the ballast where your corner weights are asking for it. In a message dated 7/3/2012 9:06:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: What do you do about the 1950 Lb. mim. Weight requirement followed by SVRA and most of the other groups with which I race??? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Catpusher at aol.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 5:29 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Subject: Weight Reduction TR3-4 For road racing, weight high up and towards the front is the top priority. For TR2 & 3 vintage racers, the first 555 TR2s built had alloy bonnets and boot lids fitted as standard, so these have always been legal, if you can find them. I spent thousands of hours taking weight off our TR3, and with SCCA safety equipment, it was down to 1700 lbs. Many fuel cell regs. allow moving from the standard location, so it is a good example of moving required items to lower the CG and polar moment. Feel free to send a copy of your list. In terms of safety, there is no safer way to race than jumping into the lead and then extending it. TR Regards, Hardy From: "Barry Munson" To: Subject: [Fot] Weight Reduction TR3-4 Message-ID: <001501cd57dd$679e29e0$36da7da0$@ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Amici - As I have proceeded through Barnie's - 1959 TR3A - evolutionary process from a derelict barn-find to a vintage racer over the last two years, one of the initial questions that I was faced with was related to the issue of weight reduction. The question of how much and where could I reduce the weight and remain compliant with the requirements for originality of the majority of vintage racing organizations, while not compromising either safety or performance, was forefront in making decisions. So things like the addition of fiberglass components, changing the frame to a TR4, increasing the width of the fenders or the addition of flares were not considered. What I was looking for were areas that I could substitute alloy components for stock iron ones, use of components that were available on later models of the TR3 line and offered weight saving options. Over the last two years I have been able to reduce the weight by 104 pounds simply by acquiring bolt-on parts. Of course knowing what is available, its source and cost has been the key and I have to thank many from this list for that knowledge. The 104 pounds was achieved in the following major component breakdown: Engine - 61.0 lbs Chassis - 11.0 lbs Front Suspension - 16.0 lbs. Rear Suspension - 16.0 lbs. In addition to the weight reduction that was achieved, many of the components offered additional benefits in terms of safety and performance. I have prepared a component by component table showing how and where this reduction in weight was achieved, however it is much too long for team.net therefore if anyone would like to receive a copy please just ask and I will forward one immediately _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Jul 6 07:15:42 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 09:15:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hacked email address book Message-ID: Somebody hacked into my email this morning and sent a link out to everybody in my contacts. If you got an email from me with a link but no text PLEASE do not open it. I apologize for the inconvenience. I am working on fixing the issue. Marty Sukey From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Fri Jul 6 20:45:05 2012 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 19:45:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 HS 6 hesitation questions from the Portland Historic race Message-ID: Maybe the collective FOT Group might have some thoughts. I am having what appears to be a loading of one of the Carbs. I have a lot of triumph brain trust around me. It only happens in medium speed left handers (coming out of the chicagne and turn 6. I had a similar problem in Seattle last week. Although I didn't have problems in other left hand turns there. So what have I done. Checked the floats and float needles. All good Checked float needles. Set fine. I run trans fluid in the dampners ( my dyno guy wants me to) I found the levels to be waydifferent - corrected that for tomorrow. Jeff Quick found a frayed wire in the distributor. Replaced Fuel pressure 2.7psi Any other thoughts? Runs great down the straights and fine in right handers. Thanks. Mike. Sent from my Kindle Fire From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Jul 7 04:56:17 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:56:17 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen 14.-15. July In-Reply-To: References: <26cb6.786dbb1.3d236cac@aol.com>, , , , <003501cd5936$a447b000$ecd71000$@com>, , <349508849-1341353763-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-490059023-@b18.c2.bise7.blackberry> , <003101cd5a1a$30c57970$92506c50$@com> , <000c01cd5b9b$069e2b60$13da8220$@com> , <000601cd5bb3$9d441210$d7cc3630$@com> Message-ID: <000c01cd5c2f$23bc1740$6b3445c0$@com> I'm preparing for a stressing race event at Assen.....a smooth and fast track in the north of the Netherlands. 5 races I'll do. 3 with Triumph Competition and two with the Morgan guys. I'll compete in a Morgan 4-cylinder race against Morgan SLR and such cars with drivers like Keith Ahlers. Will be my first try on Dunlop racing tires which will qualify me for the rear part of the grid I suppose. Cheers Chris From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sat Jul 7 06:16:36 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 07:16:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Assen 14.-15. July In-Reply-To: <000c01cd5c2f$23bc1740$6b3445c0$@com> References: <26cb6.786dbb1.3d236cac@aol.com>, , , , <003501cd5936$a447b000$ecd71000$@com>, , <349508849-1341353763-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-490059023-@b18.c2.bise7.blackberry> , <003101cd5a1a$30c57970$92506c50$@com> , <000c01cd5b9b$069e2b60$13da8220$@com> , <000601cd5bb3$9d441210$d7cc3630$@com> <000c01cd5c2f$23bc1740$6b3445c0$@com> Message-ID: Keith's pretty fast from what I can tell. Will TOK 258, the LeMans class winning Morgan from 1962, be there also? I've lost track of who owns it now. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 Red #6 On Jul 7, 2012, at 5:56 AM, MadMarx wrote: > I'm preparing for a stressing race event at Assen.....a smooth and fast > track in the north of the Netherlands. > > 5 races I'll do. 3 with Triumph Competition and two with the Morgan guys. > > I'll compete in a Morgan 4-cylinder race against Morgan SLR and such cars > with drivers like Keith Ahlers. > > Will be my first try on Dunlop racing tires which will qualify me for the > rear part of the grid I suppose. > > Cheers > Chris From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jul 7 07:16:37 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 09:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" KAS KASTNER & THE TRIUMPH USA COMPETITIONS DEPARTMENT Message-ID: <8CF2A59DF8B7477-E48-38644@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> CALIFORNIA AIR is an extraordinary documentary on our competition Triumphs ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------- This is a professionally done DVD production with Kas Kastner telling us of his years with TRIUMPH. There's significant archival pictures and film footage contained within, along with extensive interviews with Kas Kastner, but it is liberally wrapped around the 10th Running of the KASTNER CUP at ROAD ATLANTA. Find out how the TRIUMPH FACTORY discovered the reality of KASTNER'S "CALIFORNIA AIR". Listen to first hand accounts of the attention to detail that made TRIUMPHS winners in the 60s If you entered THE MITTY, see your TRIUMPH in the paddock, on the grid, and at speed on the track. And of course you will see the Presentation of the Kastner Cup, as well as the long awaited reunion of Kas Kastner & Bob Tullius. Advance copies are being made available to the FOT through the producer, John Clancy of the UK. If you are interested in a copy of this historically significant DVD, please respond to me and I will provide the necessary information, including a picture of the DVD cover. You will find the picture on the DVD CASE an artistic achievement on it's own. Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sat Jul 7 10:02:57 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 12:02:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" KAS KASTNER & THE TRIUMPH USA COMPETITIONS DEPARTMENT References: <8CF2A59DF8B7477-E48-38644@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2241DE28CF7E4ED5B40E5AD8FC84EAE1@owner8914bbf7f> Joe, sign me up for one. I'm headed to BeaveRun next weekend; anyone else going? I finally got my lift in and it works great. No more rolling around on the floor! Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" KAS KASTNER & THE TRIUMPH USA COMPETITIONS DEPARTMENT > CALIFORNIA AIR is an extraordinary documentary on our competition > Triumphs > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------- > > This is a professionally done DVD production with Kas Kastner telling us > of > his years with TRIUMPH. > > There's significant archival pictures and film footage contained within, > along > with extensive interviews with Kas Kastner, but it is liberally wrapped > around > the 10th Running of the KASTNER CUP at ROAD ATLANTA. > > Find out how the TRIUMPH FACTORY discovered the reality of KASTNER'S > "CALIFORNIA AIR". > > Listen to first hand accounts of the attention to detail that made > TRIUMPHS > winners in the 60s > > If you entered THE MITTY, see your TRIUMPH in the paddock, on the grid, > and at > speed on the track. > > And of course you will see the Presentation of the Kastner Cup, as well as > the > long awaited reunion of Kas Kastner & Bob Tullius. > > Advance copies are being made available to the FOT through the producer, > John > Clancy of the UK. > > If you are interested in a copy of this historically significant DVD, > please > respond to me and I will provide the necessary information, including a > picture of the DVD cover. > > You will find the picture on the DVD CASE an artistic achievement on it's > own. > > > > > Joe Alexander > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jul 7 10:13:02 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FACEBOOK DVD INSERT PICTURE POSTED Message-ID: <8CF2A7284893B03-E48-3902F@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> If you are on FACEBOOK: JOSEPH H ALEXANDER FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH Both of those locations will show you the full insert on the DVD...Take note of some of the folks seen on it. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sat Jul 7 10:51:14 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:51:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 HS 6 hesitation questions from the Portland Historic race In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike. I think you have just confirmed that you have all of the benefits offered by Skinners Union. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 6, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > Maybe the collective FOT Group might have some thoughts. > > I am having what appears to be a loading of one of the Carbs. I have a lot of triumph brain trust around me. It only happens in medium speed left handers (coming out of the chicagne and turn 6. I had a similar problem in Seattle last week. Although I didn't have problems in other left hand turns there. > So what have I done. > Checked the floats and float needles. All good > Checked float needles. Set fine. > I run trans fluid in the dampners ( my dyno guy wants me to) I found the levels to be waydifferent - corrected that for tomorrow. > Jeff Quick found a frayed wire in the distributor. Replaced > Fuel pressure 2.7psi > > Any other thoughts? > > Runs great down the straights and fine in right handers. > > Thanks. > > Mike. > > Sent from my Kindle Fire > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Jul 7 11:33:44 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 13:33:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" KAS KASTNER & THE TRIUMPH USA COMPETITIONS DEPARTMENT In-Reply-To: <2241DE28CF7E4ED5B40E5AD8FC84EAE1@owner8914bbf7f> References: <8CF2A59DF8B7477-E48-38644@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com>, <2241DE28CF7E4ED5B40E5AD8FC84EAE1@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: I'll be there Friday for sure. Possibly Sunday. Just spectating of course so you wont need your air horns. Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net > To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 12:02:57 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" KAS KASTNER & THE TRIUMPH USA COMPETITIONS DEPARTMENT > > Joe, sign me up for one. > I'm headed to BeaveRun next weekend; anyone else going? > I finally got my lift in and it works great. No more rolling around on the > floor! > Cheers, Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Alexander" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 9:16 AM > Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" KAS KASTNER & THE TRIUMPH USA COMPETITIONS > DEPARTMENT > > > > CALIFORNIA AIR is an extraordinary documentary on our competition > > Triumphs > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------- > > > > This is a professionally done DVD production with Kas Kastner telling us > > of > > his years with TRIUMPH. > > > > There's significant archival pictures and film footage contained within, > > along > > with extensive interviews with Kas Kastner, but it is liberally wrapped > > around > > the 10th Running of the KASTNER CUP at ROAD ATLANTA. > > > > Find out how the TRIUMPH FACTORY discovered the reality of KASTNER'S > > "CALIFORNIA AIR". > > > > Listen to first hand accounts of the attention to detail that made > > TRIUMPHS > > winners in the 60s > > > > If you entered THE MITTY, see your TRIUMPH in the paddock, on the grid, > > and at > > speed on the track. > > > > And of course you will see the Presentation of the Kastner Cup, as well as > > the > > long awaited reunion of Kas Kastner & Bob Tullius. > > > > Advance copies are being made available to the FOT through the producer, > > John > > Clancy of the UK. > > > > If you are interested in a copy of this historically significant DVD, > > please > > respond to me and I will provide the necessary information, including a > > picture of the DVD cover. > > > > You will find the picture on the DVD CASE an artistic achievement on it's > > own. > > > > > > > > > > Joe Alexander > > 645 1st Street > > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > > 319.464.4711 (cell) > > n197tr4 at cs.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jul 7 12:11:57 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 14:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" ORDER DETAILS FOR THE FOT Message-ID: <8CF2A83218BC1D7-E48-3A2B4@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH I knew something special was happening when Kas brought John Clancy by at THE MITTY. But didnt know the extent of it until I got a package from the U.K. CALIFORNIA AIR......... $28 IN NORTH AMERICA, including packaging and shipping. PAYMENT BY PAYPAL OR PERSONAL CHECK PAYPAL = N197TR4 at CS.COM or USD to address below. DVD insert picture posted to my FB and will attempt to post with link...not sure how to do that. yet Discs are being posted Today or Monday from the UK I will be doing an EXCEL SPREADSHEET to keep track of this. I will be doing final assembly of the insert to the case and then seal the case and then package and label. So I am saying that shipping will start 1 August 2012, although surely it will be before that. This is an exceptional piece...it's fascinating getting the scoop from the guy who made it happen with the TRIUMPH FACTORY. No hearsay here. And then it all gets wrapped around archival pictures, other interviews, and the 10th Running of The Kastner Cup at ROAD ATLANTA. Thanks John Clancy. Best Regards, Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sat Jul 7 16:01:15 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 17:01:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 HS 6 hesitation questions from the Portland Historic race In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <100F454E-AEC3-41A3-8300-7B8342696AEC@gmail.com> Mike, You didn't mention whether you have the float bowl tops that hinge the float at the front so that left/right turns don't affect fuel level. Does it matter what rpm range you've been in just prior to the occurrence? Duncan (Texas) On Jul 6, 2012, at 9:45 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > Maybe the collective FOT Group might have some thoughts. > > I am having what appears to be a loading of one of the Carbs. I have a lot of triumph brain trust around me. It only happens in medium speed left handers (coming out of the chicagne and turn 6. I had a similar problem in Seattle last week. Although I didn't have problems in other left hand turns there. > So what have I done. > Checked the floats and float needles. All good > Checked float needles. Set fine. > I run trans fluid in the dampners ( my dyno guy wants me to) I found the levels to be waydifferent - corrected that for tomorrow. > Jeff Quick found a frayed wire in the distributor. Replaced > Fuel pressure 2.7psi > > Any other thoughts? > > Runs great down the straights and fine in right handers. > > Thanks. > > Mike. > > Sent from my Kindle Fire > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Jul 7 17:06:02 2012 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 19:06:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 HS 6 hesitation questions from the Portland Historic race In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: go to: http://www.mgexperience.net/archive/1_3_4_Carb_question/1595231 And scroll down to "November 29, 2010 13:48:32" I think you'll have your answer. --Justin Wagner On Jul 6, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > Maybe the collective FOT Group might have some thoughts. > > I am having what appears to be a loading of one of the Carbs. I have a lot of triumph brain trust around me. It only happens in medium speed left handers (coming out of the chicagne and turn 6. I had a similar problem in Seattle last week. Although I didn't have problems in other left hand turns there. > So what have I done. > Checked the floats and float needles. All good > Checked float needles. Set fine. > I run trans fluid in the dampners ( my dyno guy wants me to) I found the levels to be waydifferent - corrected that for tomorrow. > Jeff Quick found a frayed wire in the distributor. Replaced > Fuel pressure 2.7psi > > Any other thoughts? > > Runs great down the straights and fine in right handers. > > Thanks. > > Mike. > > Sent from my Kindle Fire > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Jul 7 17:18:36 2012 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 19:18:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 HS 6 hesitation questions from the Portland Historic race In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90859BBC-AA45-46A4-A228-36E59231D294@greenheart.com> Also... Any opinion on these gizmos? http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=48222 On Jul 6, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > Maybe the collective FOT Group might have some thoughts. > > I am having what appears to be a loading of one of the Carbs. I have a lot of triumph brain trust around me. It only happens in medium speed left handers (coming out of the chicagne and turn 6. I had a similar problem in Seattle last week. Although I didn't have problems in other left hand turns there. > So what have I done. > Checked the floats and float needles. All good > Checked float needles. Set fine. > I run trans fluid in the dampners ( my dyno guy wants me to) I found the levels to be waydifferent - corrected that for tomorrow. > Jeff Quick found a frayed wire in the distributor. Replaced > Fuel pressure 2.7psi > > Any other thoughts? > > Runs great down the straights and fine in right handers. > > Thanks. > > Mike. > > Sent from my Kindle Fire > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jmwagner at greenheart.com From bkahler1 at gmail.com Sat Jul 7 18:56:18 2012 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 20:56:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) Message-ID: The old adage: "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" 1) Zero turn mower stopped running because we thought it was out of gas 2) Filled the tank and it wouldn't start 3) Battery runs down from cranking without starting 4) Used truck with jumper cables to try and start with no success 5) Towed mower back to shop (ever try to tow a hydraulic powered zero turn mower when it isn't running? Hint, it's not easy!) 6) Pulled spark plug and verified there was spark, that means its fuel related 7) Pulled fuel line from carburetor and verified flow coming from fuel pump - there was 8) As a test used different electric pump feeding from gas can and still no start 9) Replaced fuel filter just for the heck of it. 10) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to carburetor for removal and rebuild 11) Rebuilt carburetor and also verified fuel shutoff solenoid was functional and re-installed 12) Replaced alternator coil under flywheel while radiator and fan were out of the way 13) Reassembled everything 14) Still doesn't want to start 15) Re-verified that electric fuel pump is pumping fuel - it was 16) As a test I again used a different electric pump feeding from gas can and still no start 17) Decided there must be something wrong with fuel shutoff solenoid 18) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to fuel shutoff solenoid 19) Found only 1.4 vdc at solenoid - figured this was the problem 20) Tracing wire back and found that it comes out of the voltage regulator 21) Assumed voltage regulator was bad and prepared to order replacement 22) Before ordering I had a hunch. My hunch was to check out all of the wiring. I found the connector between the motor and the mower harness was deteriorating and crumbling. This allowed the wire going to the fuel shutoff solenoid to slip out of its socket and was only barely making contact which accounted for the 1.4 vdc. The wire that fed the ignition coil in that same plastic connector was still making contact which is why the spark plugs had spark. All of the symptoms pointed to a fuel flow problem and when you get down to the root cause there was no fuel flow, unfortunately it was because of an electrical problem. When it was all said and done, the mower had not run out of gas and the carburetor didn't need to be rebuilt. I did need to replace the alternator coil under the flywheel so at some point I was going to have to pull the radiator and fan assemblies to do that so not all was lost. So getting back to the very first sentence. The old adage "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" appears to have merit. I hope your Saturday went better than mind did :) Brad From bownes at seiri.com Sat Jul 7 19:25:55 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 21:25:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9BA39946-3998-4545-ABC0-6F62ADB79AB7@seiri.com> Carburetor is French for "leave it alone"! On Jul 7, 2012, at 20:56, Brad Kahler wrote: > The old adage: "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" > > 1) Zero turn mower stopped running because we thought it was out of gas > 2) Filled the tank and it wouldn't start > 3) Battery runs down from cranking without starting > 4) Used truck with jumper cables to try and start with no success > 5) Towed mower back to shop (ever try to tow a hydraulic powered > zero turn mower when it isn't running? Hint, it's not easy!) > 6) Pulled spark plug and verified there was spark, that means its fuel related > 7) Pulled fuel line from carburetor and verified flow coming from > fuel pump - there was > 8) As a test used different electric pump feeding from gas can and > still no start > 9) Replaced fuel filter just for the heck of it. > 10) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to carburetor for > removal and rebuild > 11) Rebuilt carburetor and also verified fuel shutoff solenoid was > functional and re-installed > 12) Replaced alternator coil under flywheel while radiator and fan > were out of the way > 13) Reassembled everything > 14) Still doesn't want to start > 15) Re-verified that electric fuel pump is pumping fuel - it was > 16) As a test I again used a different electric pump feeding from gas > can and still no start > 17) Decided there must be something wrong with fuel shutoff solenoid > 18) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to fuel shutoff solenoid > 19) Found only 1.4 vdc at solenoid - figured this was the problem > 20) Tracing wire back and found that it comes out of the voltage regulator > 21) Assumed voltage regulator was bad and prepared to order replacement > 22) Before ordering I had a hunch. > > My hunch was to check out all of the wiring. I found the connector > between the motor and the mower harness was deteriorating and > crumbling. This allowed the wire going to the fuel shutoff solenoid > to slip out of its socket and was only barely making contact which > accounted for the 1.4 vdc. The wire that fed the ignition coil in > that same plastic connector was still making contact which is why the > spark plugs had spark. All of the symptoms pointed to a fuel flow > problem and when you get down to the root cause there was no fuel > flow, unfortunately it was because of an electrical problem. > > When it was all said and done, the mower had not run out of gas and > the carburetor didn't need to be rebuilt. I did need to replace the > alternator coil under the flywheel so at some point I was going to > have to pull the radiator and fan assemblies to do that so not all was > lost. > > So getting back to the very first sentence. The old adage "Most > carburetor problems are electrical in nature" appears to have merit. > > I hope your Saturday went better than mind did :) > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jul 7 19:44:30 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 18:44:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) References: Message-ID: <4214A27F80A34D60A4171BCB685BA38C@Bud> if you have a distributor, the insulator on the post that holds the spring could have a hairline crack..not easily visible..it will act up sporadicaly...it drove me crazy on a tr6 until a piece of the insulatorflew into the air while i was staring at the dist. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 5:56 PM Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) > The old adage: "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" > > 1) Zero turn mower stopped running because we thought it was out of gas > 2) Filled the tank and it wouldn't start > 3) Battery runs down from cranking without starting > 4) Used truck with jumper cables to try and start with no success > 5) Towed mower back to shop (ever try to tow a hydraulic powered > zero turn mower when it isn't running? Hint, it's not easy!) > 6) Pulled spark plug and verified there was spark, that means its fuel > related > 7) Pulled fuel line from carburetor and verified flow coming from > fuel pump - there was > 8) As a test used different electric pump feeding from gas can and > still no start > 9) Replaced fuel filter just for the heck of it. > 10) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to carburetor for > removal and rebuild > 11) Rebuilt carburetor and also verified fuel shutoff solenoid was > functional and re-installed > 12) Replaced alternator coil under flywheel while radiator and fan > were out of the way > 13) Reassembled everything > 14) Still doesn't want to start > 15) Re-verified that electric fuel pump is pumping fuel - it was > 16) As a test I again used a different electric pump feeding from gas > can and still no start > 17) Decided there must be something wrong with fuel shutoff solenoid > 18) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to fuel shutoff > solenoid > 19) Found only 1.4 vdc at solenoid - figured this was the problem > 20) Tracing wire back and found that it comes out of the voltage regulator > 21) Assumed voltage regulator was bad and prepared to order replacement > 22) Before ordering I had a hunch. > > My hunch was to check out all of the wiring. I found the connector > between the motor and the mower harness was deteriorating and > crumbling. This allowed the wire going to the fuel shutoff solenoid > to slip out of its socket and was only barely making contact which > accounted for the 1.4 vdc. The wire that fed the ignition coil in > that same plastic connector was still making contact which is why the > spark plugs had spark. All of the symptoms pointed to a fuel flow > problem and when you get down to the root cause there was no fuel > flow, unfortunately it was because of an electrical problem. > > When it was all said and done, the mower had not run out of gas and > the carburetor didn't need to be rebuilt. I did need to replace the > alternator coil under the flywheel so at some point I was going to > have to pull the radiator and fan assemblies to do that so not all was > lost. > > So getting back to the very first sentence. The old adage "Most > carburetor problems are electrical in nature" appears to have merit. > > I hope your Saturday went better than mind did :) > > Brad > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sat Jul 7 20:06:11 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 22:06:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) In-Reply-To: <9BA39946-3998-4545-ABC0-6F62ADB79AB7@seiri.com> References: <9BA39946-3998-4545-ABC0-6F62ADB79AB7@seiri.com> Message-ID: That is so damn funny. LMAO. thanks I needed that! My street GT6 has bumbled and popped to a complete stall at the side of the road 3 times this week, twice today an I've tried the obvious, found what looked to be the problem. When I replaced the fuel filter I noticed the intake fitting on the mechanical pump was very loose so tightened it down and smiled. Seemed better briefly then engine miss-fire continued sporadically then quit again completely100 miles later. Back to the garage for some late night fun I guess. At least it brought me home. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-07, at 9:54 PM, "Bob Bownes -Seiri" wrote: > Carburetor is French for "leave it alone"! > > > > On Jul 7, 2012, at 20:56, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> The old adage: "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" >> >> 1) Zero turn mower stopped running because we thought it was out of gas >> 2) Filled the tank and it wouldn't start >> 3) Battery runs down from cranking without starting >> 4) Used truck with jumper cables to try and start with no success >> 5) Towed mower back to shop (ever try to tow a hydraulic powered >> zero turn mower when it isn't running? Hint, it's not easy!) >> 6) Pulled spark plug and verified there was spark, that means its fuel > related >> 7) Pulled fuel line from carburetor and verified flow coming from >> fuel pump - there was >> 8) As a test used different electric pump feeding from gas can and >> still no start >> 9) Replaced fuel filter just for the heck of it. >> 10) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to carburetor for >> removal and rebuild >> 11) Rebuilt carburetor and also verified fuel shutoff solenoid was >> functional and re-installed >> 12) Replaced alternator coil under flywheel while radiator and fan >> were out of the way >> 13) Reassembled everything >> 14) Still doesn't want to start >> 15) Re-verified that electric fuel pump is pumping fuel - it was >> 16) As a test I again used a different electric pump feeding from gas >> can and still no start >> 17) Decided there must be something wrong with fuel shutoff solenoid >> 18) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to fuel shutoff > solenoid >> 19) Found only 1.4 vdc at solenoid - figured this was the problem >> 20) Tracing wire back and found that it comes out of the voltage regulator >> 21) Assumed voltage regulator was bad and prepared to order replacement >> 22) Before ordering I had a hunch. >> >> My hunch was to check out all of the wiring. I found the connector >> between the motor and the mower harness was deteriorating and >> crumbling. This allowed the wire going to the fuel shutoff solenoid >> to slip out of its socket and was only barely making contact which >> accounted for the 1.4 vdc. The wire that fed the ignition coil in >> that same plastic connector was still making contact which is why the >> spark plugs had spark. All of the symptoms pointed to a fuel flow >> problem and when you get down to the root cause there was no fuel >> flow, unfortunately it was because of an electrical problem. >> >> When it was all said and done, the mower had not run out of gas and >> the carburetor didn't need to be rebuilt. I did need to replace the >> alternator coil under the flywheel so at some point I was going to >> have to pull the radiator and fan assemblies to do that so not all was >> lost. >> >> So getting back to the very first sentence. The old adage "Most >> carburetor problems are electrical in nature" appears to have merit. >> >> I hope your Saturday went better than mind did :) >> >> Brad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jul 7 20:34:59 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 22:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) In-Reply-To: References: <9BA39946-3998-4545-ABC0-6F62ADB79AB7@seiri.com> Message-ID: <8CF2AC96780F033-E48-3F7DA@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> I had a gas grille once that I completely rebuilt and it still didnt work. I replaced the LP tank, and then it worked. At least I didnt have to tow it to the garage. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Vince G To: Bob Bownes -Seiri Cc: Friends of Triumph ; Brad Kahler Sent: Sat, Jul 7, 2012 9:27 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) That is so damn funny. LMAO. thanks I needed that! My street GT6 has bumbled and popped to a complete stall at the side of the road 3 times this week, twice today an I've tried the obvious, found what looked to be the problem. When I replaced the fuel filter I noticed the intake fitting on the mechanical pump was very loose so tightened it down and smiled. Seemed better briefly then engine miss-fire continued sporadically then quit again completely100 miles later. Back to the garage for some late night fun I guess. At least it brought me home. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-07, at 9:54 PM, "Bob Bownes -Seiri" wrote: > Carburetor is French for "leave it alone"! > > > > On Jul 7, 2012, at 20:56, Brad Kahler wrote: > >> The old adage: "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" >> >> 1) Zero turn mower stopped running because we thought it was out of gas >> 2) Filled the tank and it wouldn't start >> 3) Battery runs down from cranking without starting >> 4) Used truck with jumper cables to try and start with no success >> 5) Towed mower back to shop (ever try to tow a hydraulic powered >> zero turn mower when it isn't running? Hint, it's not easy!) >> 6) Pulled spark plug and verified there was spark, that means its fuel > related >> 7) Pulled fuel line from carburetor and verified flow coming from >> fuel pump - there was >> 8) As a test used different electric pump feeding from gas can and >> still no start >> 9) Replaced fuel filter just for the heck of it. >> 10) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to carburetor for >> removal and rebuild >> 11) Rebuilt carburetor and also verified fuel shutoff solenoid was >> functional and re-installed >> 12) Replaced alternator coil under flywheel while radiator and fan >> were out of the way >> 13) Reassembled everything >> 14) Still doesn't want to start >> 15) Re-verified that electric fuel pump is pumping fuel - it was >> 16) As a test I again used a different electric pump feeding from gas >> can and still no start >> 17) Decided there must be something wrong with fuel shutoff solenoid >> 18) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to fuel shutoff > solenoid >> 19) Found only 1.4 vdc at solenoid - figured this was the problem >> 20) Tracing wire back and found that it comes out of the voltage regulator >> 21) Assumed voltage regulator was bad and prepared to order replacement >> 22) Before ordering I had a hunch. >> >> My hunch was to check out all of the wiring. I found the connector >> between the motor and the mower harness was deteriorating and >> crumbling. This allowed the wire going to the fuel shutoff solenoid >> to slip out of its socket and was only barely making contact which >> accounted for the 1.4 vdc. The wire that fed the ignition coil in >> that same plastic connector was still making contact which is why the >> spark plugs had spark. All of the symptoms pointed to a fuel flow >> problem and when you get down to the root cause there was no fuel >> flow, unfortunately it was because of an electrical problem. >> >> When it was all said and done, the mower had not run out of gas and >> the carburetor didn't need to be rebuilt. I did need to replace the >> alternator coil under the flywheel so at some point I was going to >> have to pull the radiator and fan assemblies to do that so not all was >> lost. >> >> So getting back to the very first sentence. The old adage "Most >> carburetor problems are electrical in nature" appears to have merit. >> >> I hope your Saturday went better than mind did :) >> >> Brad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From LimeyV8 at aol.com Sun Jul 8 06:13:45 2012 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (Jack Mc) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 08:13:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1D75C41A-8394-49DB-9BDA-A96E4316A3C1@aol.com> Hey Joe I heard the car and trailer have been recovered and the perps arrested ! What's the story? Cheers Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On Jul 6, 2012, at 9:46 AM, Joe Henry wrote: > Not Triumph related but please be on the lookout for my stolen MG Midget > race car. Car is a full race EMRA/SCCA car with a full cage and a 1275 > engine. A distinguishing feature is an add on bar to the rear hoop for a > previous taller driver. Car is yellow (or was!). Also taken was my > single axle trailer. Trailer was green/aqua with a tire rack and > storage box on the front. The doors were taken off the storage shed and > both trailer and car were stolen. Thanks in advance. > > Joe Downer > Charlotte, N.C. > 800-332-2486 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Sun Jul 8 08:50:21 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 07:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Brake problem Message-ID: <1341759021.13472.YahooMailClassic@web162206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Dear fot, I have been recently nominated and seconded as a member and this is my first post I guess I'm supposed to write something about myself first......and I will after RA. My problem is trying to up grade from the early TR3 Calipers to 16P style. I was under the assumption they would work with 10-3/4 rotors but no go. Either the rotor is too large in dia. or I need to grind clearance into the caliper. Anyone been here before that can offer advise? Thanks Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Jul 8 10:14:53 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:14:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Brake problem In-Reply-To: <1341759021.13472.YahooMailClassic@web162206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1341759021.13472.YahooMailClassic@web162206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Welcome aboard Guy. The TR4 type calipers must have the TR4 sized rotors, and TR4 caliper mounting brackets. I'm still contemplating this swap for my TR3 street car, as I'm tired of the chirping pads as I run down the road. Terry Stetler From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Sun Jul 8 11:44:35 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 10:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1341769475.71535.YahooMailRC@web180608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I chased a "fuel problem" for a year and a half only to finally determine that the cause of my problem was the brand new Accel coil that never worked right from day one. In that episode, the most important lesson I learned is to use one of those inline spark indicators and see what the spark is doing right at the time of failure. ________________________________ From: Brad Kahler To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Sat, July 7, 2012 6:23:02 PM Subject: [Fot] Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature (mostly off topic) The old adage: "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" 1) Zero turn mower stopped running because we thought it was out of gas 2) Filled the tank and it wouldn't start 3) Battery runs down from cranking without starting 4) Used truck with jumper cables to try and start with no success 5) Towed mower back to shop (ever try to tow a hydraulic powered zero turn mower when it isn't running? Hint, it's not easy!) 6) Pulled spark plug and verified there was spark, that means its fuel related 7) Pulled fuel line from carburetor and verified flow coming from fuel pump - there was 8) As a test used different electric pump feeding from gas can and still no start 9) Replaced fuel filter just for the heck of it. 10) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to carburetor for removal and rebuild 11) Rebuilt carburetor and also verified fuel shutoff solenoid was functional and re-installed 12) Replaced alternator coil under flywheel while radiator and fan were out of the way 13) Reassembled everything 14) Still doesn't want to start 15) Re-verified that electric fuel pump is pumping fuel - it was 16) As a test I again used a different electric pump feeding from gas can and still no start 17) Decided there must be something wrong with fuel shutoff solenoid 18) Pulled radiator and fan assemblies to get access to fuel shutoff solenoid 19) Found only 1.4 vdc at solenoid - figured this was the problem 20) Tracing wire back and found that it comes out of the voltage regulator 21) Assumed voltage regulator was bad and prepared to order replacement 22) Before ordering I had a hunch. My hunch was to check out all of the wiring. I found the connector between the motor and the mower harness was deteriorating and crumbling. This allowed the wire going to the fuel shutoff solenoid to slip out of its socket and was only barely making contact which accounted for the 1.4 vdc. The wire that fed the ignition coil in that same plastic connector was still making contact which is why the spark plugs had spark. All of the symptoms pointed to a fuel flow problem and when you get down to the root cause there was no fuel flow, unfortunately it was because of an electrical problem. When it was all said and done, the mower had not run out of gas and the carburetor didn't need to be rebuilt. I did need to replace the alternator coil under the flywheel so at some point I was going to have to pull the radiator and fan assemblies to do that so not all was lost. So getting back to the very first sentence. The old adage "Most carburetor problems are electrical in nature" appears to have merit. I hope your Saturday went better than mind did :) Brad _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sherryjimmy6116 at att.net From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Sun Jul 8 13:10:44 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 Brake problem In-Reply-To: <000501cd5d34$9d83de40$d88b9ac0$@ca> Message-ID: <1341774644.98965.YahooMailClassic@web162203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Thanks to all that replied. The consensus is that I need TR4 brackets for this to work. Pretty unlikely that I can source before the HAWK. Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Sun, 7/8/12, Barry Munson wrote: From: Barry Munson Subject: RE: [Fot] TR3 Brake problem To: "'Guy Morter'" Date: Sunday, July 8, 2012, 6:07 PM Hi Guy - I just made the change on my 1959 TR3A - parts required - TR4-6 rotors and mounting brackets. Persevere it's worth it from a couple of perspectives - unsprung weight saving (6.5 lbs per side), availability of performance options (pads, etc.) is much better, all without any decrease in braking performance. Barry. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Guy Morter Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 8:50 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 Brake problem Dear fot, I have been recently nominated and seconded as a member and this is my first post I guess I'm supposed to write something about myself first......and I will after RA. My problem is trying to up grade from the early TR3 Calipers to 16P style. I was under the assumption they would work with 10-3/4 rotors but no go. Either the rotor is too large in dia. or I need to grind clearance into the caliper. Anyone been here before that can offer advise? Thanks Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/barry at penybryn.ca From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 9 07:09:27 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" 'Trailer' now on-line In-Reply-To: References: <8CF28168FF043D1-132C-1EB0B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF2BEB33A41EFD-1FB8-4D50B@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> FOT: The CALIFORNIA AIR preview is now up on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twWHfzI8oiw&feature=youtu.be Here is a sample of John Clancy's excellent documentary of Kas' history with the TRIUMPH FACTORY and our recent 10th Running of the Kastner Cup at the MITTY. $28.00 FOR THE NTSC DVD includes packaging and shipping in NORTH AMERICA PAYPAL n197tr4 at cs.com Checks: A.R.E. 645 1ST STREET JESUP, IOWA 50648 This is a 3 minute sample of about 2 hours of material. Thanks! Joe Alexander From jhd11 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 07:43:24 2012 From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:43:24 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car Message-ID: Well it was a long couple of days but...the trailer is home, I pick up the race car today and two guys are in jail! THANKS to all who read and forwarded the message and kept a look out. Someone who had seen the posting saw that the crooks had advertised the trailer on craigslist!! They let me and the police know and they were able to catch them. They had sold the car to a metal recycler for $160.00!! I will be out some parts and tie-downs and some small stuff that probably won't be recovered but I am ecstatic about the outcome. The police said that without the fast notice, the car would have been gone by today or tomorrow at the latest! Again, thanks to all. Joe Downer Charlotte, N.C. From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 08:17:33 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 08:17:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51E330AE-C646-41EA-A401-847771AB3BA7@yahoo.com> Sounds like some legislation is in order as well. In Colorado, you can't sell a car for scrap without a title. Then again, I expect a lot of cars get chopped up into parts as a result. Glad you got it back! Ty Tyler Thompson l Account Executive - Public Safety Solutions esri | One International Court | Broomfield, CO 80021 Phone: 303.449-7779 ext. 8260, cell: 719.510-1649 | E-mail: tyler_thompson at esri.com Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Joe Henry wrote: > Well it was a long couple of days but...the trailer is home, I pick up the > race car today and two guys are in jail! THANKS to all who read and forwarded > the message and kept a look out. Someone who had seen the posting saw that > the crooks had advertised the trailer on craigslist!! They let me and the > police know and they were able to catch them. They had sold the car to a > metal recycler for $160.00!! I will be out some parts and tie-downs and some > small stuff that probably won't be recovered but I am ecstatic about the > outcome. The police said that without the fast notice, the car would have > been gone by today or tomorrow at the latest! Again, thanks to all. > > Joe Downer > Charlotte, N.C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From mmoore at wave1.net Mon Jul 9 08:46:29 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:46:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006301cd5de1$a0c6cba0$e25462e0$@net> Somebody should be looking into salvage yard. What legitimate business would take car like that without title and then only give $160. Looks like they may have been ready to sell it for a profit. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Henry Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 9:43 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car Well it was a long couple of days but...the trailer is home, I pick up the race car today and two guys are in jail! THANKS to all who read and forwarded the message and kept a look out. Someone who had seen the posting saw that the crooks had advertised the trailer on craigslist!! They let me and the police know and they were able to catch them. They had sold the car to a metal recycler for $160.00!! I will be out some parts and tie-downs and some small stuff that probably won't be recovered but I am ecstatic about the outcome. The police said that without the fast notice, the car would have been gone by today or tomorrow at the latest! Again, thanks to all. Joe Downer Charlotte, N.C. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at wave1.net From triosan at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 09:21:04 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 08:21:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" 'Trailer' now on-line In-Reply-To: <8CF2BEB33A41EFD-1FB8-4D50B@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF28168FF043D1-132C-1EB0B@webmail-d006.sysops.aol.com> <8CF2BEB33A41EFD-1FB8-4D50B@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Fabulous teaser. gotta get it!! On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 6:09 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > > > The CALIFORNIA AIR preview is now up on YouTube. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twWHfzI8oiw&feature=youtu.be > > > Here is a sample of John Clancy's excellent documentary of Kas' history > with > the TRIUMPH FACTORY and our recent 10th Running of the Kastner Cup at the > MITTY. > > $28.00 FOR THE NTSC DVD includes packaging and shipping in NORTH AMERICA > > PAYPAL n197tr4 at cs.com > > Checks: > > A.R.E. > 645 1ST STREET > JESUP, IOWA 50648 > > This is a 3 minute sample of about 2 hours of material. > > Thanks! > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From vangoughv at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 09:29:18 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:29:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car In-Reply-To: <006301cd5de1$a0c6cba0$e25462e0$@net> References: <006301cd5de1$a0c6cba0$e25462e0$@net> Message-ID: I agree with that. The police should be smart enough to come to the same conclusion also. Salvage yard might even be part of a bigger scheme. WOW congrats on the good news anyway Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-09, at 11:14 AM, "Mike Moore" wrote: > Somebody should be looking into salvage yard. What legitimate business would > take car like that without title and then only give $160. Looks like they > may have been ready to sell it for a profit. > > Thanks > Mike > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > 2007 West 32nd Street > Erie, PA 16508 > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > Fax: 814-864-7383 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Joe Henry > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 9:43 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car > > Well it was a long couple of days but...the trailer is home, I pick up the > race car today and two guys are in jail! THANKS to all who read and > forwarded the message and kept a look out. Someone who had seen the posting > saw that the crooks had advertised the trailer on craigslist!! They let me > and the police know and they were able to catch them. They had sold the car > to a metal recycler for $160.00!! I will be out some parts and tie-downs > and some small stuff that probably won't be recovered but I am ecstatic > about the outcome. The police said that without the fast notice, the car > would have been gone by today or tomorrow at the latest! Again, thanks to > all. > > Joe Downer > Charlotte, N.C. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at wave1.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From LimeyV8 at aol.com Mon Jul 9 10:05:19 2012 From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (Jack Mc) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:05:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car In-Reply-To: <51E330AE-C646-41EA-A401-847771AB3BA7@yahoo.com> References: <51E330AE-C646-41EA-A401-847771AB3BA7@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I like the laws for scraping cars here in North Carolina just the way they are, thank you very much. You have to have a title if the car is 10 years or less old - no title required if over 10 years old -and in this case the perps (or at least one of them) will have left a photo copy of their ID at the metal recycler - had a title been required, Joe's car could have been reduced to an anonymous pile of scrap in less than an hour. Joe - which metal recycler did the car end up at? I've scraped 2 cars locally at 2 different places - one of which I'll never go back to. Would one assume correctly that the scrap yard is out $160? Anyway, I sure was glad to hear this one turned out the way it did - stealing a race car in these parts is about like stealing a horse in the old west - lots of folks think the perps should be hung. Cheers Jack Mc Sent from my iPad On Jul 9, 2012, at 10:17 AM, "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" wrote: > Sounds like some legislation is in order as well. In Colorado, you can't sell > a car for scrap without a title. Then again, I expect a lot of cars get > chopped up into parts as a result. Glad you got it back! > > Ty > > Tyler Thompson l Account Executive - Public Safety Solutions > esri | One International Court | Broomfield, CO 80021 > Phone: 303.449-7779 ext. 8260, cell: 719.510-1649 | > E-mail: tyler_thompson at esri.com > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > > On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Joe Henry wrote: > >> Well it was a long couple of days but...the trailer is home, I pick up the >> race car today and two guys are in jail! THANKS to all who read and > forwarded >> the message and kept a look out. Someone who had seen the posting saw that >> the crooks had advertised the trailer on craigslist!! They let me and the >> police know and they were able to catch them. They had sold the car to a >> metal recycler for $160.00!! I will be out some parts and tie-downs and > some >> small stuff that probably won't be recovered but I am ecstatic about the >> outcome. The police said that without the fast notice, the car would have >> been gone by today or tomorrow at the latest! Again, thanks to all. >> >> Joe Downer >> Charlotte, N.C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/limeyv8 at aol.com From bownes at seiri.com Mon Jul 9 10:17:15 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Seiri Bownes) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:17:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car In-Reply-To: References: <006301cd5de1$a0c6cba0$e25462e0$@net> Message-ID: Two words....'plausible deniability'. N.Y. has the same 'Can't scrap a car without a title' law. In 35 years of taking cars to junkyards and,or having them hauled away, I've been asked for a title exactly once. It was the one time I a) had the title, and b) knew where it was. In NY, there is an out for 'lost or misplaced' titles, in which the seller simply signs a form stating they own the car or have the right to dispose of it. That covered the scrap dealer nicely. As to a scrapper giving $160 to the thief for it, many of these guys totally operate on a $/lb basis and have breathed a few too many fumes along the way. I had some oil tanks removed over the last few days and one of the scrappers was thrilled to take a garbage can full of brake rotors, exhaust parts, and the like. His comment "That's worth at least $5 at the recyclers!" Had he only known that I would have paid him to haul it away...;) But he said the GT6 and TR6 in the drive would fetch twenty to fifty each. And was disappointed when I wouldn't give those to him as well. The remaning question, is, of course, how much of a car do you need a title in order to legally scrap it? I scraped out a Spit in 4 or 5 55gal drums at one point. I do have a handful of TR serial number plates and titles in my filing cabinet however. Just In Case. In any cage, I'm very glad you got it back. That's a great success story. On Jul 9, 2012, at 11:29, Vince G wrote: > I agree with that. The police should be smart enough to come to the same > conclusion also. Salvage yard might even be part of a bigger scheme. > > WOW > > congrats on the good news anyway > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-07-09, at 11:14 AM, "Mike Moore" wrote: > >> Somebody should be looking into salvage yard. What legitimate business > would >> take car like that without title and then only give $160. Looks like they >> may have been ready to sell it for a profit. >> >> Thanks >> Mike >> >> Michael T. Moore, CPA >> 2007 West 32nd Street >> Erie, PA 16508 >> >> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >> Fax: 814-864-7383 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Joe Henry >> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 9:43 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car >> >> Well it was a long couple of days but...the trailer is home, I pick up the >> race car today and two guys are in jail! THANKS to all who read and >> forwarded the message and kept a look out. Someone who had seen the > posting >> saw that the crooks had advertised the trailer on craigslist!! They let me >> and the police know and they were able to catch them. They had sold the > car >> to a metal recycler for $160.00!! I will be out some parts and tie-downs >> and some small stuff that probably won't be recovered but I am ecstatic >> about the outcome. The police said that without the fast notice, the car >> would have been gone by today or tomorrow at the latest! Again, thanks to >> all. >> >> Joe Downer >> Charlotte, N.C. >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mmoore at wave1.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From bownes at seiri.com Mon Jul 9 10:34:11 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Seiri Bownes) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:34:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 - come take it away.... Message-ID: <441B6087-CDC4-460B-94D4-0B43457BBA13@seiri.com> I posted this a year or so ago and never managed to seal a deal... I have a TR6 sitting in front of my garage that needs to go away. The frame is suffering from classic rot. But it has fiberglass fenders on all four corners and a couple of boxes of parts, mostly interior, still in TRF wrapping. It belonged to a friend who was going to restore it, but got married instead...Silly human. My TR6 Needs a rebuilt engine at this point. I was going to pull this one, rebuild it, put it in my car, and keep my original as a rebuildable spare. But that starts to sound like work...short story long, I'd like to end up with as much of a TR6 drivetrain (engine, trans, diff, hubs) as i can get as spares for my TR6. I'm open to negotiation I don't have to take this one apart... Specifically, should anyone want to trade a significant chunk of spare TR6 drivetrain ( or a TR8/Rover V8 and/or a Hewland/Webster transaxle lying about for my formula car project! ) let me know. It could be a nice swap. Failing that, the rolling chassis will be available free to anyone who wants to come by and help pull the drivetrain. :) Located in Troy, N.Y. Gonna get something on the track in the next year or so.... From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 9 11:12:51 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] CHASING THE TAIL OF THE DRAGON SCCA HILLCLIMB RESULTS? JK JACKSON? In-Reply-To: References: <8CF24EA5B35B6EF-1FCC-43BCD@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room E19-695-KA | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 Note to subscribers: Please e-mail to unix-linux-help at Mit.edu so that all the consultants see your message. This will ensure a more timely response. Thanks. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Important: MIT IT staff will *NEVER* ask you for your password, nor will MIT send you email requesting your password information. Please continue to ignore any email messages that claim to require you to provide such information. You have new mail in /var/spool/mail/lang On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, Rich Rock wrote: [stuff deleted] > Some of you really should try to come to Reading PA for the Duryea Hillclimb, > August 18-19. It's the premier event on the PHA calender. I hope to put the Pagoda HC on my calendar for 2013, even if I just spectate. > Rich Rock regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Jul 9 11:43:16 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car Message-ID: <247ec.273d39b2.3d2c7234@aol.com> Joe... Hooray for our side, as you'll get most of your stuff back. What boggles my mind is the fact that there is scum out there that will commit Grand Theft for $160. That's pretty scary stuff. Bill Dentinger From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Jul 9 11:44:22 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:44:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stolen Race Car In-Reply-To: <006301cd5de1$a0c6cba0$e25462e0$@net> References: <006301cd5de1$a0c6cba0$e25462e0$@net> Message-ID: <0b1a01cd5dfa$7a20a7a0$6e61f6e0$@rr.com> > What legitimate business > would > take car like that without title and then only give $160. A metal recycler is going to assume that it is worthless as a car, and pay only what the scrap metal is worth. It would probably be worth more if already disassembled and sorted into metal type; but they will have to pay someone to do that. "Mixed" scrap is about the lowest form, even if there are valuable alloys present in the mix. -- Randall From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 15:53:43 2012 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator Message-ID: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago at this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi with my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? thanks Mike Mehl From vangoughv at hotmail.com Mon Jul 9 16:28:49 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:28:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What is the rating on your pump? Where is the regulator mounted and do you have a gauge on it? I'm installing a similar set up tonight on my GT6 using the Holley 1-4 psi regulator but I only need about 2.5 psi at the carb an I'm using a 4psi 28gph pump Best if luck! Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-09, at 6:15 PM, "Mike Mehl" wrote: > After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley > regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago at > this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could > find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi with > my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? > > thanks Mike > Mehl > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 17:00:30 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1341874830.54439.YahooMailClassic@web162205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I use a Holley red low pressure pump with a Mr. Gasket cheap regulator dialed down to 1.5 and it works great. We are using the same carbs as you. We used these regulators on VW off road cars to keep the pressure down so as not to flood in rough terrain. The Holley regulators might not be as sensitive at lower pressures. 3.5 is high I think. Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Mon, 7/9/12, Mike Mehl wrote: > From: Mike Mehl > Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > To: "Triumph Friends of" > Date: Monday, July 9, 2012, 9:53 PM > After fighting all weekend with my > fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley > regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It > broke on me a year ago at > this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 > psi that I could > find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me > we want to run 3.5psi with > my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel > pump?? > > thanks Mike > Mehl > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Jul 9 17:01:07 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:01:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <213093EF-5C7F-4A11-A092-E4DB8B35D349@gmail.com> 2.5 to 3 psi would be about right. You could try a Malpassi fuel regulator if you can find a source for one in the USA. Duncan (Texas) On Jul 9, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Mike Mehl wrote: > After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley > regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago at > this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could > find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi with > my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? > > thanks Mike > Mehl > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jul 9 17:33:56 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:33:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just a thought, but what is wrong with a SU type fuel pump? Maybe an aftermarket doubleender, I think they already have a regulator built into them. http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=37345 They worked for Jag V-12's! I wonder what the old Group 44 cars used? Charly Mitchel SU Solid State Competition Double Ended Fuel Pump Double-ended SU pumps have been standard equipment for years on Aston Martins, Bentley and late model E-Types. Delivering twice the capacity of a standard MGB type pump, these units will keep on pumping even if one side fails. Well-suited for all high performance engines running SU carbs, as no pressure regulator is required. Part # Price Description Application Qty Rqd Qty 377-036 $379.95 SU Double Pump, Points type Negative or positive ground (not polarity sensitive) 1 377-335 $449.95 SU Double Pump, Solid state Negative ground 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Mehl" To: "Triumph Friends of" Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:53 PM Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the > Holley > regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago > at > this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could > find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi > with > my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? > > thanks Mike > Mehl > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of BAC-408.jpg] From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Jul 9 17:58:10 2012 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:58:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Need writers for SportsCar at 2012 Solo Nationals Message-ID: <9985D37AFF7E4EA5B43C55A7421B099D@rocky> I need writers to help cover the Solo Nationals for SportsCar. If youre the type of person who likes to weigh in on these forums, you may be just the one we need. It takes about two dozen writers to cover the event. Ideally, we want people who will be there all four days -- Tuesday-Wednesday drivers cover Thursday-Friday classes and Thursday-Friday drivers cover Tuesday-Wednesday classes [See Run Days list at bottom of this message]. Im almost full for Tue-Wed (still need a couple) but getting desperate for Thu-Fri writers (need about 10 more). The perks are: 1-This counts as your work assignment, 2-You do most of it sitting in the stands or chatting with other drivers, and 3-You do NOT have to work on the days you run (if youre there all four days). The necessaries are: 1-I prefer people who are there all four days (enabling #3 above), but I can use some same-day people -- it depends what heat you end up running. I do NOT assign conflicts. 2-You have to get stories back to me within about 10 days. You do NOT need polished writing ability. Rather, we need people who are good observers and, yes, even good bench racers. No one should have to write up more than two classes or cover classes in more than two heats (Open and Ladies are considered one class for story purposes). The basic job is to be there when the classes are running, talk to a couple of the key players, then write a story (likely after you get home) of about 500 words. Great writing talent is secondary to just being there. I can edit most anything into a reasonable narrative, but I need the details of the story so the eyes and ears of the reporters are invaluable. If you can be part of the crew this year, please send me a direct e-mail (rocky at spitfire4.com) telling me: 1. Your name 2. Mailing address 3. Phone numbers (home, work, cell) 4. e-mail address 5. Your class, days you run [see schedule below] 6. What day you plan to arrive/leave Lincoln 7. Any preferences for classes you'd like to cover 8. Second choice for event work assignment in case I can't use you as a writer. Ill reply confirming I got your e-mail, then youll hear from me next after the run/work order comes out which is when I can make the story assignments. If you enter Nationals online through MotorsportReg.com (you can reach it most easily from the SCCA.com website), when you reach Work Preference select Other and on the next line down write in SportsCar Writer. If you enter using the paper entry form, in the Worker Information area circle OTHER and write in "SportsCar Writer." If you've already sent your entry and checked off some other worker preference, just let me know what you checked. I can get it changed. Hope to hear from you soon! --Rocky Entriken Chief of Writers Run Days for 2012 Solo Nationals: ~~~TUE-WED~~~ AS CS DS GS STR STS STX STU ESP FSP EP GP BM CM DM EM KM JA JB ~~~THU-FRI~~~ SS BS ES FS HS RTA RTR RTF STC STF SSP ASP BSP CSP DSP SSM SM SMF XP CP DP FP AM FM FSAE and, of course, corresponding Ladies classes From pcdelux at verizon.net Mon Jul 9 18:27:08 2012 From: pcdelux at verizon.net (William Dewar) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 20:27:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008c01cd5e32$be6fb4e0$2101a8c0@usera1aa7i3nf0> Listers, For street brit cars a more reliable pump I found was a mitsubishi for a 1984 Honda Accord. It fit under the ls floor along rocker and even sounded like an SU style. It has points but does not seem to be affected by sitting around. Around 2psi if I remember. Was 85.00 new last time I checked. Have not bought one in a while. Bill DeWar NJTA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "Mike Mehl" ; "Triumph Friends of" Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > Just a thought, but what is wrong with a SU type fuel pump? Maybe an > aftermarket doubleender, I think they already have a regulator built into > them. http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=37345 > They worked for Jag V-12's! I wonder what the old Group 44 cars used? > Charly Mitchel > > > SU Solid State Competition Double Ended Fuel Pump > > Double-ended SU pumps have been standard equipment for years on Aston > Martins, Bentley and late model E-Types. Delivering twice the capacity of a > standard MGB type pump, these units will keep on pumping even if one side > fails. Well-suited for all high performance engines running SU carbs, as no > pressure regulator is required. > > Part # Price Description Application Qty > Rqd Qty > 377-036 $379.95 SU Double Pump, Points type > Negative or positive ground (not polarity sensitive) 1 > 377-335 $449.95 SU Double Pump, Solid state > Negative ground 1 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Mehl" > To: "Triumph Friends of" > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:53 PM > Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > > > > After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the > > Holley > > regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago > > at > > this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could > > find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi > > with > > my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? > > > > thanks Mike > > Mehl > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of BAC-408.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pcdelux at verizon.net From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jul 9 18:47:06 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 18:47:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4FFB7B8A.4010103@bradakis.com> Vince G wrote: > I'm installing a similar set up tonight on my GT6 using the Holley 1-4 psi > regulator but I only need about 2.5 psi at the carb an I'm using a 4psi 28gph > pump > > You may run into problems with the input pressure and the desired output pressure being so close. mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jul 9 19:44:32 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 20:44:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Use the Holley Blue pump (about 15 psi output as I recall) with the Holley regulator - either the 1-4 psi regulator or the 4-7 psi regulator. If you use a low pressure pump you won't have enough pressure differential to properly actuate the regulator. Jack and I went through many permutations of pump / regulator before we found the reliable fix to the problem. I run a rock solid 2 psi to my Webers with that set up. Tony Drews At 04:53 PM 7/9/2012, Mike Mehl wrote: >After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley >regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago at >this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could >find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi with >my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? > >thanks Mike >Mehl >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 9 19:58:36 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 01:58:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: Want trouble with a fuel pump line, just run too much pressure with S U 's. Try 2 pounds and then check to see that the pump will deliver 15 gallons per hour. Easy to do, no excuses. Never be beaten by equipment > From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com > To: mike.mehl at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:33:56 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > > Just a thought, but what is wrong with a SU type fuel pump? Maybe an > aftermarket doubleender, I think they already have a regulator built into > them. http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=37345 > They worked for Jag V-12's! I wonder what the old Group 44 cars used? > Charly Mitchel > > > SU Solid State Competition Double Ended Fuel Pump > > Double-ended SU pumps have been standard equipment for years on Aston > Martins, Bentley and late model E-Types. Delivering twice the capacity of a > standard MGB type pump, these units will keep on pumping even if one side > fails. Well-suited for all high performance engines running SU carbs, as no > pressure regulator is required. > > Part # Price Description Application Qty > Rqd Qty > 377-036 $379.95 SU Double Pump, Points type > Negative or positive ground (not polarity sensitive) 1 > 377-335 $449.95 SU Double Pump, Solid state > Negative ground 1 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Mehl" > To: "Triumph Friends of" > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:53 PM > Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > > > > After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the > > Holley > > regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago > > at > > this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could > > find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi > > with > > my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? > > > > thanks Mike > > Mehl > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of BAC-408.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From fasttrs at yahoo.com Mon Jul 9 20:15:48 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 19:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] More Mitty Photos Message-ID: <1341886548.94625.YahooMailNeo@web46101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Here are some more Photos from the Mitty. http://motorsports.clarkmcinnisphotography.com/motorsports/Historic%20Sportscar%20Racing/2012/2012%20Mitty/Group%201%20-%20Triumph/index.html From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Jul 9 20:53:23 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 19:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <20120710021031.508E62D0420@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1341888803.14091.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Group: Tony is dead on in his assessment. We had the same issue in the now Randy Williams TR3. The Holley red only puts out 4 psi, and as you try to adjust a Holley regulator down to 3-3.5 psi there isn't enough of a pressure differential to let the diaphragm work properly. The fix is to move up to the Holley blue, and adjust the pressure to the desired level. On this topic...most of us (read carb equipped) want pressures in the area of 2-3.5 psi. All the pressure gauges I can find read 0-15 psi. This puts us using them in the lower 25-30% of the gauge which is not the desired area to be reading. Has anyone been able to find a gauge that reads 0-5 psi? I have looked all over, including aircraft supply places, with no luck. -Ed- --- On Mon, 7/9/12, Tony Drews wrote: From: Tony Drews Subject: Re: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator To: "Mike Mehl" , "Triumph Friends of" Date: Monday, July 9, 2012, 8:44 PM Use the Holley Blue pump (about 15 psi output as I recall) with the Holley regulator - either the 1-4 psi regulator or the 4-7 psi regulator. If you use a low pressure pump you won't have enough pressure differential to properly actuate the regulator. Jack and I went through many permutations of pump / regulator before we found the reliable fix to the problem. I run a rock solid 2 psi to my Webers with that set up. Tony Drews At 04:53 PM 7/9/2012, Mike Mehl wrote: >After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley >regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago at >this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could >find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi with >my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? > >thanks Mike >Mehl >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From chasgee at aol.com Mon Jul 9 21:10:49 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 23:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <20120710021038.7F45E2D0469@autox.team.net> References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120710021038.7F45E2D0469@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CF2C60BD81553B-1F38-25C3@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Tony, Do you find that the pressure creeps up with that set up when the car isn't running? Thanks, Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews To: Mike Mehl ; Triumph Friends of Sent: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 7:12 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator Use the Holley Blue pump (about 15 psi output as I recall) with the olley regulator - either the 1-4 psi regulator or the 4-7 psi egulator. If you use a low pressure pump you won't have enough ressure differential to properly actuate the regulator. Jack and I ent through many permutations of pump / regulator before we found he reliable fix to the problem. I run a rock solid 2 psi to my Webers with that set up. Tony Drews At 04:53 PM 7/9/2012, Mike Mehl wrote: After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago at this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi with my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? thanks Mike Mehl _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jul 9 21:26:30 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 22:26:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <8CF2C60BD81553B-1F38-25C3@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20120710021038.7F45E2D0469@autox.team.net> <8CF2C60BD81553B-1F38-25C3@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: /local/mailman/lynxXXXXzoH7bB: Permission denied From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Jul 9 22:33:44 2012 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 23:33:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator References: <1341888803.14091.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45B00F2A25724204A79AEB2BE58F4302@rocky> I use the Holley Red with no problems in my HP Spitfire. Well, actually, it is TWO Holley Reds because I got an ATL fuel cell with two pickups -- one to each rear corner which ensures whether I'm turning right or left even on low fuel I have something being picked up. Then they go to a T still in the trunk with a single line going forward to the regulator under the hood, set at 2.5 psi. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "Mike Mehl" ; "Triumph Friends of" ; "Tony Drews" Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > Group: Tony is dead on in his assessment. We had the same issue in the now > Randy Williams TR3. The Holley red only puts out 4 psi, and as you try to > adjust a Holley regulator down to 3-3.5 psi there isn't enough of a > pressure > differential to let the diaphragm work properly. The fix is to move up to > the > Holley blue, and adjust the pressure to the desired level. > On this topic...most of us (read carb equipped) want pressures in the area > of > 2-3.5 psi. All the pressure gauges I can find read 0-15 psi. This puts us > using them in the lower 25-30% of the gauge which is not the desired area > to > be reading. Has anyone been able to find a gauge that reads 0-5 psi? I > have > looked all over, including aircraft supply places, with no luck. > > -Ed- > > --- On Mon, 7/9/12, Tony Drews wrote: > > > From: Tony Drews > Subject: Re: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator > To: "Mike Mehl" , "Triumph Friends of" > > Date: Monday, July 9, 2012, 8:44 PM > > > Use the Holley Blue pump (about 15 psi output as I recall) with the > Holley regulator - either the 1-4 psi regulator or the 4-7 psi > regulator. If you use a low pressure pump you won't have enough > pressure differential to properly actuate the regulator. Jack and I > went through many permutations of pump / regulator before we found > the reliable fix to the problem. > > I run a rock solid 2 psi to my Webers with that set up. > > Tony Drews > > At 04:53 PM 7/9/2012, Mike Mehl wrote: >>After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the > Holley >>regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago >>at >>this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could >>find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi >>with >>my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? >> >>thanks Mike >>Mehl >>_______________________________________________ >>fot at autox.team.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 9 23:16:42 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 05:16:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fuel pumps and regulators Message-ID: I used the blue pumps are regulators with great success. Some of the little electronic pumps were okay for a while but, they in the end, failed at a time of great nuisance. Pressure, volume and adjustability, from blue pumps. I have used AC motor pumps and they worked very well also. Never be beaten by equipment From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 9 23:51:14 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 05:51:14 +0000 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1341870823.54906.YahooMailNeo@web46110.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm always a friend of simple solution. Less parts on the less failures you might face. I run a Mitsuba fuel pump. The is self regulating and suitable for SU and Weber. Cheers Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mehl Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:53:43 To: Triumph Friends of Reply-To: Mike Mehl Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator After fighting all weekend with my fuel issues I am thinking it is the Holley regulator. Actually Jim Norlin though of it. It broke on me a year ago at this event. It seems to be the only one that is 1 to 4 psi that I could find. Looking for input. If my memory serves me we want to run 3.5psi with my SU HS6 carbs. Any thoughts on the regulator/ fuel pump?? thanks Mike Mehl _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Tue Jul 10 04:20:12 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:20:12 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Fuel pumps and regulators In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've used pacet pumps for a while now and they do eventually pack up, mostly due to moisture collecting inside the steel body and causing the electroplating to variously fur up .... I ditch them after 3 years in the car now as 5 years seems to be the service life. Otherwise so long as you put 12 volts and fuel through them they pump enough to keep up to 2 weber 48s happy. Tony Sent from my iPhone On 10 Jul 2012, at 06:16, Kas Kastner wrote: > I used the blue pumps are regulators with great success. Some of the little > electronic pumps were okay for a while but, they in the end, failed at a time > of great nuisance. Pressure, volume and adjustability, from blue pumps. I have > used AC motor pumps and they worked very well also. > > Never be beaten by equipment > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 10 07:27:52 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER Message-ID: <8CF2CB6F157C384-1FB8-5BE4E@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> John reports that he is in Ohio at the moment and will arrive at Elkhart Lake on Friday morning. We will have a gaggle of FOT at THE HAWK and it would be nice if we made a plan to gather in John's honor. Any suggestions? Anyone? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 10 07:38:59 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA COMING TO AMERICA Message-ID: <8CF2CB87E36C344-1FB8-5C0C7@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> John Houlton and I have some serious planning going for the next Kastner Cup. The Brits 'missed the boat', so to speak on the 10th Running Of The KCUP. May be we can inveigle them into coming to Road America. There's over a year to make plans........ Geoff Byrne (New Zealand) is wistfully saying, 'wouldnt it be great if we could bring some Triumphs.....' I wonder what we can do to make this happen? We know that some Canadians will join us, but it would be great to make this a truly INTERNATIONAL EVENT. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 08:01:27 2012 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 07:01:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER In-Reply-To: <8CF2CB6F157C384-1FB8-5BE4E@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF2CB6F157C384-1FB8-5BE4E@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I would be happy with a cold drink and a break from 1400 mile days! On Jul 10, 2012 9:47 AM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > John reports that he is in Ohio at the moment and will arrive at Elkhart > Lake > on Friday morning. > > We will have a gaggle of FOT at THE HAWK and it would be nice if we made a > plan to gather in John's honor. > > Any suggestions? Anyone? > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jul 10 10:16:12 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER Message-ID: <56c2.3e1aa3ba.3d2daf4c@aol.com> In a message dated 07/10/2012 9:18:58 AM Central Daylight Time, capecoventryracing at gmail.com writes: > I would be happy with a cold drink and a break from 1400 mile days! > On Jul 10, 2012 9:47 AM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > I am not sure (until I get there), but at all of the vintage events, the Beady Eye Vintage Triumph Racing Team is normally assigned ('grandfathered') to a spot directly across from the entrance to the False Grid Not hard to find.. Bill Dentinger From sjanzen at me.com Tue Jul 10 11:17:23 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 13:17:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Beaverun/ Pittsburgh this weekend In-Reply-To: <2241DE28CF7E4ED5B40E5AD8FC84EAE1@owner8914bbf7f> References: <8CF2A59DF8B7477-E48-38644@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> <2241DE28CF7E4ED5B40E5AD8FC84EAE1@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: Hi, Bill. I'll be at Beaverun with the GT6 this weekend. Any other Triumphs? Scott Janzen '68 GT6 On Jul 7, 2012, at 12:02 PM, william r tobin wrote: Joe, sign me up for one. I'm headed to BeaveRun next weekend; anyone else going? I finally got my lift in and it works great. No more rolling around on the floor! Cheers, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 10 11:41:51 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:41:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER In-Reply-To: References: <8CF2CB6F157C384-1FB8-5BE4E@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8BC77DC0-8B84-4A2B-8C28-0EC312DDD186@sbcglobal.net> And we are supposedly in the Competition paddock as well - next to Fourintune, the Healey Boys. If you get past the Hawk - we'll see you on Friday. Dennis On Jul 10, 2012, at 9:01 AM, John Nikas wrote: > I would be happy with a cold drink and a break from 1400 mile days! > On Jul 10, 2012 9:47 AM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > >> John reports that he is in Ohio at the moment and will arrive at Elkhart >> Lake >> on Friday morning. >> >> We will have a gaggle of FOT at THE HAWK and it would be nice if we made a >> plan to gather in John's honor. >> >> Any suggestions? Anyone? >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From capecoventryracing at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 12:00:44 2012 From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:00:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER In-Reply-To: <8BC77DC0-8B84-4A2B-8C28-0EC312DDD186@sbcglobal.net> References: <8CF2CB6F157C384-1FB8-5BE4E@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> <8BC77DC0-8B84-4A2B-8C28-0EC312DDD186@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: What in the hell is the 'hawk'. I'm going to Elkhart Lake right? On Jul 10, 2012 1:41 PM, "Dennis Delap" wrote: > And we are supposedly in the Competition paddock as well - next to > Fourintune, the Healey Boys. > If you get past the Hawk - we'll see you on Friday. > > Dennis > > > On Jul 10, 2012, at 9:01 AM, John Nikas > wrote: > > > I would be happy with a cold drink and a break from 1400 mile days! > > On Jul 10, 2012 9:47 AM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > > > >> John reports that he is in Ohio at the moment and will arrive at Elkhart > >> Lake > >> on Friday morning. > >> > >> We will have a gaggle of FOT at THE HAWK and it would be nice if we > made a > >> plan to gather in John's honor. > >> > >> Any suggestions? Anyone? > >> > >> > >> Joe Alexander > >> A. R. E. > >> 645 1st Street > >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 > >> 319.464.4711 (cell) > >> n197tr4 at cs.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 10 12:45:55 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:45:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER Message-ID: What used to be known as BRIC. The Hawk at Road America with Brian Redman. Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad John Nikas wrote: >What in the hell is the 'hawk'. I'm going to Elkhart Lake right? >On Jul 10, 2012 1:41 PM, "Dennis Delap" wrote: > >> And we are supposedly in the Competition paddock as well - next to >> Fourintune, the Healey Boys. >> If you get past the Hawk - we'll see you on Friday. >> >> Dennis >> >> >> On Jul 10, 2012, at 9:01 AM, John Nikas >> wrote: >> >> > I would be happy with a cold drink and a break from 1400 mile days! >> > On Jul 10, 2012 9:47 AM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: >> > >> >> John reports that he is in Ohio at the moment and will arrive at Elkhart >> >> Lake >> >> on Friday morning. >> >> >> >> We will have a gaggle of FOT at THE HAWK and it would be nice if we >> made a >> >> plan to gather in John's honor. >> >> >> >> Any suggestions? Anyone? >> >> >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> >> A. R. E. >> >> 645 1st Street >> >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> >> Unsubscribe: >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ >> > fot at autox.team.net >> > >> > http://www.fot-racing.com >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Jul 10 13:15:30 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER Message-ID: <31c99.7ee56843.3d2dd952@aol.com> John... THE HAWK WITH BRIAN REDMAN is the new name for the huge July ROAD AMERIICA vintage event. Started out many, many years ago as the CHICAGO HISTORICS, and has evolved since under many acronyms like BRIC, KICK heavily influenced by sponsor money. HAWK, the brake pad people, are the current sponsor. We've been at every one of them since the mid-1980s. Bill Dentinger From kaskas at cox.net Tue Jul 10 15:02:12 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 21:02:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Michael Porter Message-ID: Please send me an emai addressl Michael so I can ask you a couple questions. Thanks. Never be beaten by equipment From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 11 05:40:49 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER In-Reply-To: References: <8CF2CB6F157C384-1FB8-5BE4E@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> <8BC77DC0-8B84-4A2B-8C28-0EC312DDD186@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <8CF2D7126B5B378-CAC-6CB1B@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> John, Four-In-Tune is a prominent restoration/tuner shop in Wisconsin. They will want to see GRACE and perhaps can help you with any issues that Grace may be having. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: John Nikas To: Dennis Delap Cc: Joe Alexander ; fot Sent: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT JOHN NIKAS DRIVE AWAY CANCER What in the hell is the 'hawk'. I'm going to Elkhart Lake right? On Jul 10, 2012 1:41 PM, "Dennis Delap" wrote: And we are supposedly in the Competition paddock as well - next to Fourintune, the Healey Boys. If you get past the Hawk - we'll see you on Friday. Dennis On Jul 10, 2012, at 9:01 AM, John Nikas wrote: > I would be happy with a cold drink and a break from 1400 mile days! > On Jul 10, 2012 9:47 AM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > >> John reports that he is in Ohio at the moment and will arrive at Elkhart >> Lake >> on Friday morning. >> >> We will have a gaggle of FOT at THE HAWK and it would be nice if we made a >> plan to gather in John's honor. >> >> Any suggestions? Anyone? >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/capecoventryracing at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 11 06:51:37 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 08:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] "CALIFORNIA AIR" ORDER STATUS Message-ID: <8CF2D7B0B1A8EEC-CAC-6DD3C@webmail-d033.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Thanks to John Clancy Productions 50+ DVDs are are winging their way over from the U.K. this week. Packaging materials are on order and should be arriving shortly. I am off to ROAD AMERICA this weekend............ By Monday I should be packaging and shipping throughout the week. If you are planning to get this DVD, it would nice to do it within this time frame. Thanks! ORDER INFORMATION: EMAIL: N197tr4 at cs.com PayPal: N197tr4 at cs.com Check: To address below Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Jul 11 07:45:15 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 09:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... Message-ID: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> Amici... GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop this morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is from Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest 'sportscar' at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear fender bead goes. Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. Bill Dentinger From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Jul 11 08:11:04 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> Message-ID: <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > Amici... > > GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph > World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been > making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop > this > morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is > from > Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest > 'sportscar' > at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. > > Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end > is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear > fender bead goes. > > Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a > massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him > out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. > He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. > > I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Jul 11 08:13:36 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 10:13:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> Message-ID: Too Cool! Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-11, at 10:00 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph > World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been > making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop this > morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is from > Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest 'sportscar' > at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. > > Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end > is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear > fender bead goes. > > Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a > massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him > out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. > He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. > > I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jul 11 09:08:35 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:08:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> Message-ID: <3374F447-0C10-4C2F-8DCF-99FB72E97C1E@me.com> not much Triumph left, though - front wheel drive, blown chevy V8 nt wheel drive, small block Chevy powered, C/BFMS (blown fuel modified sports car) On Jul 11, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > Amici... > > GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph > World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been > making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop this > morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is from > Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest 'sportscar' > at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. > > Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end > is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear > fender bead goes. > > Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a > massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him > out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. > He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. > > I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From clw2000 at msn.com Wed Jul 11 10:51:24 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 12:51:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com>, <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> Message-ID: Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its design! Thanks, Chuck Watson Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com > To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related > Charly Mitchel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM > Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > > > > Amici... > > > > GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph > > World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been > > making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop > > this > > morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is > > from > > Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest > > 'sportscar' > > at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. > > > > Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end > > is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear > > fender bead goes. > > > > Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a > > massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him > > out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. > > He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. > > > > I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. > > > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From kaskas at cox.net Wed Jul 11 12:07:58 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:07:58 +0000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com>, <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> Message-ID: Oh yeah, looks just like Jason's car at Atlanta. Never be beaten by equipment > From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com > To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related > Charly Mitchel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM > Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > > > > Amici... > > > > GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph > > World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been > > making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop > > this > > morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is > > from > > Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest > > 'sportscar' > > at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. > > > > Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end > > is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear > > fender bead goes. > > > > Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a > > massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him > > out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. > > He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. > > > > I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. > > > > Bill Dentinger > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From bownes at seiri.com Wed Jul 11 13:02:22 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:02:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> Message-ID: <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> Many years ago MJB pointed out that the land speed record for production under 2 L cars should be well within the reach of the GT6. Sure am glad I live east of the Mississippi. That's the last project I need! On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:51, Charles WATSON wrote: > Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its design! > > > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers > Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > > > > > > > > > >> From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com >> To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related >> Charly Mitchel >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM >> Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >> >> >>> Amici... >>> >>> GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph >>> World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been >>> making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop >>> this >>> morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is >>> from >>> Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest >>> 'sportscar' >>> at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. >>> >>> Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end >>> is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear >>> fender bead goes. >>> >>> Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a >>> massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him >>> out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. >>> He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. >>> >>> I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. >>> >>> Bill Dentinger >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From kaskas at cox.net Wed Jul 11 15:43:44 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:43:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com>, <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly>, , <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> Message-ID: You might be surprised at how high the speeds are for some of the classes. Tom Kreger's SAAB sedan does over 150. It really depends on the class. Our TR-4A did 128 in 1966 and change with full windshield and top etc. the record for that class at that time was held by a Damiler 2.5 and it was about 131 as I rmember. The Salt is 4200 feet high and that altitude saps a lot of power. GT-6 should be able to do the job but you had better check the records with the Southern California Timing Association, they rule at the salt. Never be beaten by equipment > From: bownes at seiri.com > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:02:22 -0400 > To: clw2000 at msn.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > > Many years ago MJB pointed out that the land speed record for production under > 2 L cars should be well within the reach of the GT6. > > Sure am glad I live east of the Mississippi. That's the last project I need! > > > On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:51, Charles WATSON wrote: > > > Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its design! > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers > > Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com > >> To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net > >> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related > >> Charly Mitchel > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM > >> Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > >> > >> > >>> Amici... > >>> > >>> GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of Triumph > >>> World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has been > >>> making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop > >>> this > >>> morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he is > >>> from > >>> Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest > >>> 'sportscar' > >>> at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. > >>> > >>> Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear end > >>> is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear > >>> fender bead goes. > >>> > >>> Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of a > >>> massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put him > >>> out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for speed. > >>> He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. > >>> > >>> I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. > >>> > >>> Bill Dentinger > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From bownes at seiri.com Wed Jul 11 15:53:09 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:53:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> Message-ID: <2BE1463E-45BA-4434-A3CD-0E4A5AA1B216@seiri.com> Well if any of us know how to get power out of a Triumph, at the altitude of the Salt, I'd bet on the guy who lives in Salt lake City...:) On Jul 11, 2012, at 17:43, Kas Kastner wrote: > > > > Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its design! From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jul 11 16:07:53 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:07:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> Message-ID: Yep, very early in childhood, I set a goal to own and drive the fastest GT6 in the world.... Now, Somehow, I'm going backwards...Only 200 mph to go. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Bob Bownes -Seiri wrote: > Many years ago MJB pointed out that the land speed record for production > under > 2 L cars should be well within the reach of the GT6. > > Sure am glad I live east of the Mississippi. That's the last project I > need! > > > On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:51, Charles WATSON wrote: > > > Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its design! > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers > > Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com > >> To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net > >> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 > >> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related > >> Charly Mitchel > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM > >> Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > >> > >> > >>> Amici... > >>> > >>> GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of > Triumph > >>> World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has > been > >>> making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop > >>> this > >>> morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he > is > >>> from > >>> Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest > >>> 'sportscar' > >>> at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. > >>> > >>> Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear > end > >>> is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear > >>> fender bead goes. > >>> > >>> Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor > of a > >>> massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put > him > >>> out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for > speed. > >>> He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. > >>> > >>> I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. > >>> > >>> Bill Dentinger > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> fot at autox.team.net > >>> > >>> http://www.fot-racing.com > >>> > >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >>> Unsubscribe: > >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From kaskas at cox.net Wed Jul 11 16:37:10 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:37:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: <2BE1463E-45BA-4434-A3CD-0E4A5AA1B216@seiri.com> References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> , <2BE1463E-45BA-4434-A3CD-0E4A5AA1B216@seiri.com> Message-ID: That's where I first started in this business. Took me five years to make enough money to get a bus out of town. :-) Never be beaten by equipment > CC: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: bownes at seiri.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:53:09 -0400 > To: kaskas at cox.net > > Well if any of us know how to get power out of a Triumph, at the altitude of the Salt, I'd bet on the guy who lives in Salt lake City...:) > > > > > > On Jul 11, 2012, at 17:43, Kas Kastner wrote: > > > > > > > Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its design! From jason at multivintage.com Wed Jul 11 17:38:24 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:38:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> <2BE1463E-45BA-4434-A3CD-0E4A5AA1B216@seiri.com> Message-ID: Sounds like someone needs to figure out a way to get "California Air" delivered to motors running wild out on the salt flats... talk about an E-ticket ride. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > That's where I first started in this business. Took me five years to make > enough money to get a bus out of town. :-) > > Never be beaten by equipment > > CC: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > > From: bownes at seiri.com > > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... > > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 17:53:09 -0400 > > To: kaskas at cox.net > > > > Well if any of us know how to get power out of a Triumph, at the > altitude of > the Salt, I'd bet on the guy who lives in Salt lake City...:) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 2012, at 17:43, Kas Kastner wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its > design! > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From mark at bradakis.com Wed Jul 11 18:01:00 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 18:01:00 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: References: <61f53.4ab172e3.3d2edd6a@aol.com> <91162DA93F4C4970819DD6E68036A00A@Charly> <0FE54790-1364-405D-AEEB-9ED4350A4F13@seiri.com> , <2BE1463E-45BA-4434-A3CD-0E4A5AA1B216@seiri.com> Message-ID: <4FFE13BC.3090207@bradakis.com> Kas Kastner wrote: > That's where I first started in this business. Took me five years to make > enough money to get a bus out of town. :-) > > When I helped a friend move here back in 1973, my plan was to take the bus back to Indiana. Obviously that didn't happen. And the way my employment is currently going I can't a bus ticket now, either, let alone put together a Salt Flats effort. But I do have this old TR7 coupe stashed by the garage.... mjb. From craigl at leinickegroup.com Wed Jul 11 22:49:13 2012 From: craigl at leinickegroup.com (Craig Leinicke) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:49:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: With the current interest in land speed racing, this is the perfect time to coax some of you out to give it a try. I have been racing my TR7 roadster with the East Coast Timing Association (ECTA) since 2007 and I really enjoy it. The ECTA has recently moved its venue to Wilmington, OH. We run a one mile land speed course on a decommissioned air strip. It is smooth and fast and a great chance to see some very fast cars. My TR7 roadster runs 120mph and makes 108hp at the rear wheels. Here's where it gets interesting... (I know what makes us all tick) If there is enough interest from the FOT I will check with the competition director and propose sponsoring a TRIUMPH Top Speed Challenge in conjunction with one of the 2013 regularly scheduled ECTA events... I will offer a trophy to the fastest TR with a displacement of 1.5 liter, 2 liters, 3 liters, and 4 liters... Event t-shirts etc. It will hopefully be a chance for me to meet a lot of you and have some fun. You have been challenged! Craig Leinicke Flashback Racing On 7/11/12 10:08 PM, "Craig Leinicke" wrote: > With all of this interest in land speed racing, I judge this is the perfect > time to jump in and coax some of you to come out and give it a try. > I have been racing my TR7 roadster with the East Coast Timing Association > (ECTA) since 2007 and I really enjoy it. The ECTA used to run in Maxton, NC > but has recently moved its venue to Wilmington, OH. We run a one mile land > speed course on a decommissioned DHL air strip. It is smooth and fast. It is a > great chance to see some very innovative people with very fast cars. > > My TR7 roadster runs 120mph and makes 108hp at the rear wheels. > Here's where it gets interesting... (I know what makes us all tick) If there > is enough interest from the FOT I will check with the president and > competition director of the ECTA and see if we can sponsor a TRIUMPH Top Speed > Challenge in conjunction with one of the 2013 regularly scheduled events... > And I will offer a trophy of some sort to the fastest TR with a displacement > of 1.5 liter, 2 liters, 3 liters, and 4 liters. > > It will hopefully be a chance for me to meet a lot of you and have some fun. > The events are really laid back. Let me know... You have been challenged! > > Craig Leinicke > Flashback Racing > > > On 7/11/12 4:43 PM, "Kas Kastner" wrote: > >> You might be surprised at how high the speeds are for some of the classes. >> Tom >> Kreger's SAAB sedan does over 150. It really depends on the class. Our TR-4A >> did 128 in 1966 and change with full windshield and top etc. the record for >> that class at that time was held by a Damiler 2.5 and it was about 131 as I >> rmember. The Salt is 4200 feet high and that altitude saps a lot of power. >> GT-6 should be able to do the job but you had better check the records with >> the Southern California Timing Association, they rule at the salt. >> >> Never be beaten by equipment >>> From: bownes at seiri.com >>> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:02:22 -0400 >>> To: clw2000 at msn.com >>> CC: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >>> >>> Many years ago MJB pointed out that the land speed record for production >> under >>> 2 L cars should be well within the reach of the GT6. >>> >>> Sure am glad I live east of the Mississippi. That's the last project I >> need! >>> >>> >>> On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:51, Charles WATSON wrote: >>> >>>> Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its design! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chuck Watson >>>> >>>> >>>> Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers >>>> Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com >>>>> To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net >>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 >>>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >>>>> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related >>>>> Charly Mitchel >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM >>>>> Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Amici... >>>>>> >>>>>> GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of >> Triumph >>>>>> World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that has >> been >>>>>> making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the shop >>>>>> this >>>>>> morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and he >> is >>>>>> from >>>>>> Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest >>>>>> 'sportscar' >>>>>> at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. >>>>>> >>>>>> Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The rear >> end >>>>>> is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the rear >>>>>> fender bead goes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the survivor of >> a >>>>>> massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident put >> him >>>>>> out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for >> speed. >>>>>> He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill Dentinger >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>>>> Unsubscribe: >>>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/craigl at leinickegroup.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Fri Jul 13 12:32:00 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 18:32:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Part for Sale Message-ID: <1787299805.2057884.1342204320147.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello: I have a "long tube" SU carburetor intake manifold for sale. This item has been updated with a welded bead all the way around the circumference of the intake tubes (side which mounts to cylinder head) to prevent cracking. $40 plus shipping. If interested or want a photo, contact offline. Thanks. Gary From jkhagen at charter.net Sat Jul 14 19:35:32 2012 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... Message-ID: <49db9bed.127475.1388846b7d7.Webtop.43@charter.net> If you check the SCTA check out D. Johnson I think he still holds 1300-1500 cc sportscars in Spitfire @about 153mph. Dean was Spitfire SCCA Nat'l champ F-prod? John Hagen On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > You might be surprised at how high the speeds are for some of the > classes. Tom > Kreger's SAAB sedan does over 150. It really depends on the class. > Our TR-4A > did 128 in 1966 and change with full windshield and top etc. the > record for > that class at that time was held by a Damiler 2.5 and it was about 131 > as I > rmember. The Salt is 4200 feet high and that altitude saps a lot of > power. > GT-6 should be able to do the job but you had better check the records > with > the Southern California Timing Association, they rule at the salt. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> From: bownes at seiri.com >> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 15:02:22 -0400 >> To: clw2000 at msn.com >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >> >> Many years ago MJB pointed out that the land speed record for >> production > under >> 2 L cars should be well within the reach of the GT6. >> >> Sure am glad I live east of the Mississippi. That's the last project >> I > need! >> >> >> On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:51, Charles WATSON wrote: >> >>> Not bad for a car that never entered a wind tunnel during its >>> design! >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck Watson >>> >>> >>> Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers >>> Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com >>>> To: BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net >>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:11:04 -0700 >>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjwZHnjxvd4&feature=related >>>> Charly Mitchel >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:45 AM >>>> Subject: [Fot] GT6 at the Salt Flats... >>>> >>>> >>>>> Amici... >>>>> >>>>> GT6ers, in particular, may be interested in the current issue of > Triumph >>>>> World magazine. There is a feature article on a Triumph GT6 that >>>>> has > been >>>>> making speed runs at Bonneville. I did not bring the issue to the >>>>> shop >>>>> this >>>>> morning, but from memory I believe the guy's name is Copeland, and >>>>> he > is >>>>> from >>>>> Arizona. Their last trip registered 300 mph and was the fastest >>>>> 'sportscar' >>>>> at the event. They hope to hit 340 mph on the next trip. >>>>> >>>>> Exotic looking car, with major front end body modifications. The >>>>> rear > end >>>>> is classic GT6, with stabilizer fins added on each side where the >>>>> rear >>>>> fender bead goes. >>>>> >>>>> Copeland's story would make a good movie, in that he is the >>>>> survivor of > a >>>>> massive salt flats crash in a 1950s Bocar years ago. The incident >>>>> put > him >>>>> out of commission for over a year, but did not dampen his need for > speed. >>>>> He's back at it, and in a Triumph GT6.. >>>>> >>>>> I am not sure...maybe he is an FOT member. >>>>> >>>>> Bill Dentinger >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>>> >>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>>> >>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>>> Unsubscribe: >>>>> >>>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From mrcpt1fc at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 15 12:15:50 2012 From: mrcpt1fc at sbcglobal.net (mrcpt1@sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 11:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires Message-ID: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hello, I have a car that I believe would have come with Dunlop Gold Seal tires, I am keeping the OE 48 spoke wires for originality. What would be my best bet for 5.50 x 15 tires ? My car is not a race car but I do like to drive ! I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, Mike. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Jul 15 14:53:52 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 14:53:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike, The Toyo RA-1 is an excellent tire for wet and dry. Good grippy compound and pretty inexpensive. Jim Gray -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of mrcpt1 at sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:16 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires Hello, I have a car that I believe would have come with Dunlop Gold Seal tires, I am keeping the OE 48 spoke wires for originality. What would be my best bet for 5.50 x 15 tires ? My car is not a race car but I do like to drive ! I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, Mike. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Jul 15 16:54:12 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 18:54:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Honestly, a set of 165 SR 15 radial tires is the only way to go if you drive the car on any regular basis. They last longer, they turn better, they have far better straight ahead stability, are far more puncture resistant, and most importantly, they stop much better. Bias ply tires are for Pebble Beach show cars that never get driven. Terry Stetler. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sun Jul 15 17:05:09 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 18:05:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001cd62de$48acac30$da060490$@com> I like the Vredestein tires that I put on my street Triumph. Tim Murphy -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of mrcpt1 at sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 1:16 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires Hello, I have a car that I believe would have come with Dunlop Gold Seal tires, I am keeping the OE 48 spoke wires for originality. What would be my best bet for 5.50 x 15 tires ? My car is not a race car but I do like to drive ! I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, Mike. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Jul 15 18:09:45 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 20:09:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: I would like to nominate a fellow Spitfire driver Charlie Darrow. I met Charlie at Mid-Ohio last month and ran into him again this weekend at Beaver Run (PIRC). Charlie has a well prepared Mk3 Spit and knows how to drive also. I figure that one more Spitfire guy on the list to answer all my questions will result in less questions for the rest of you from me. What say ye, can I have a second? Charlie's email is cdarrow2 at comcast.net From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jul 15 18:32:45 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 19:32:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <20120716000337.AE3F32D09A1@autox.team.net> References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20120716000337.AE3F32D09A1@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Toyo R888 too (it's the replacement for the RA-1). They are 50 series tires. Tony At 03:53 PM 7/15/2012, Jim Gray wrote: >Mike, >The Toyo RA-1 is an excellent tire for wet and dry. Good grippy compound and >pretty inexpensive. >Jim Gray > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of mrcpt1 at sbcglobal.net >Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:16 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires > >Hello, I have a car that I believe would have come with Dunlop Gold Seal >tires, >I am keeping the OE 48 spoke wires for originality. > > >What would be my best bet for 5.50 x 15 tires ? > >My car is not a race car but I do like to drive ! > >I would appreciate any suggestions. > >Thanks, Mike. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Jul 15 19:05:34 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:05:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <20120716000402.EC7C22D099E@autox.team.net> References: <20120716000402.EC7C22D099E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? Hence it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels of a stock TR-2. We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? Terry Stetler. From levilevi at comcast.net Sun Jul 15 21:46:28 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:46:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Second. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jul 15, 2012, at 6:09 PM, marty sukey wrote: > I would like to nominate a fellow Spitfire driver Charlie Darrow. I > met > Charlie at Mid-Ohio last month and ran into him again this weekend > at Beaver > Run (PIRC). Charlie has a well prepared Mk3 Spit and knows how to > drive also. > I figure that one more Spitfire guy on the list to answer all my > questions > will result in less questions for the rest of you from me. What say > ye, can I > have a second? > > > > Charlie's email is cdarrow2 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 15 21:56:44 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 22:56:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66B24424-FD1F-4EBE-A88E-AE906DC66F9B@sbcglobal.net> I'll second. On Jul 15, 2012, at 7:09 PM, marty sukey wrote: > I would like to nominate a fellow Spitfire driver Charlie Darrow. I met > Charlie at Mid-Ohio last month and ran into him again this weekend at Beaver > Run (PIRC). Charlie has a well prepared Mk3 Spit and knows how to drive also. > I figure that one more Spitfire guy on the list to answer all my questions > will result in less questions for the rest of you from me. What say ye, can I > have a second? > > > > Charlie's email is cdarrow2 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Jul 15 22:24:47 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 21:24:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <103601cd630a$ef884380$0601a8c0@randall> > Honestly, a set of 165 SR 15 radial tires is the only way to > go I'll second that, except that 165s are really hard to get in and out of the spare tire well. Fortunately, Vredestein still makes their Sprint Classic tires in 155SR15 (about $90/tire). And while not exactly a high performance tire, they are much better than the old bias ply tires. If they have to be 5.50-15, then the only source I know is Coker tire. -- Randall From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jul 15 23:29:18 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 00:29:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Absolutely! Second. Tony At 07:09 PM 7/15/2012, marty sukey wrote: >I would like to nominate a fellow Spitfire driver Charlie Darrow. I met >Charlie at Mid-Ohio last month and ran into him again this weekend at Beaver >Run (PIRC). Charlie has a well prepared Mk3 Spit and knows how to drive also. >I figure that one more Spitfire guy on the list to answer all my questions >will result in less questions for the rest of you from me. What say ye, can I >have a second? > > > >Charlie's email is cdarrow2 at comcast.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Jul 15 23:30:27 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 00:30:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: References: <20120716000402.EC7C22D099E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: If we're looking at 5.5" wide wheels, I doubt we're talking stock rims. Tony At 08:05 PM 7/15/2012, Terry Stetler wrote: >Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? Hence >it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels of a >stock TR-2. > >We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? > >Terry Stetler. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Jul 15 23:55:13 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 05:55:13 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think any tire of 155-15 or 165-15 range will do it. Maybe a Goodyear. For your skinny wire spokes nothing with too much grip. Chris Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone -----Original Message----- From: "mrcpt1 at sbcglobal.net" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 11:15:50 To: Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires Hello, I have a car that I believe would have come with Dunlop Gold Seal tires, I am keeping the OE 48 spoke wires for originality. What would be my best bet for 5.50 x 15 tires ? My car is not a race car but I do like to drive ! I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, Mike. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From sjanzen at me.com Mon Jul 16 06:37:20 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (SCOTT JANZEN) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:37:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great guys- father and son team- raced with them at VIR, Millville and PIRC this weekend. Quick, too Welcome! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2012, at 8:09 PM, marty sukey wrote: > I would like to nominate a fellow Spitfire driver Charlie Darrow. I met > Charlie at Mid-Ohio last month and ran into him again this weekend at Beaver > Run (PIRC). Charlie has a well prepared Mk3 Spit and knows how to drive also. > I figure that one more Spitfire guy on the list to answer all my questions > will result in less questions for the rest of you from me. What say ye, can I > have a second? > > > > Charlie's email is cdarrow2 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 06:41:37 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 07:41:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't think I'd want to drive a TR2 in the rain on bias plies if I had the option of using radial tires instead. Modern tires are much more resistant to hydroplaning (and the Vredesteins on my Morgan Plus 8 are not great in this regard) and I seem to recall that TR3s on original tires don't tolerate sloppy downshifts, which can cause the rear end to lose traction and cause a spin. On the other hand, you could practice 4-wheel drifts... Isn't the spare tire well too small for 165s? My (hazy) recollection is that this is why I kept the original spare in our '56 TR3. Duncan (Texas) On Jul 15, 2012, at 5:54 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Honestly, a set of 165 SR 15 radial tires is the only way to go if you drive > the car on any regular basis. > > They last longer, they turn better, they have far better straight ahead > stability, are far more puncture resistant, and most importantly, they stop > much better. > > Bias ply tires are for Pebble Beach show cars that never get driven. > > Terry Stetler. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 16 07:12:32 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ Message-ID: <8CF316BCAAEF536-1010-A8991@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> FOT: RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I was reminded that we ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. It was a huge success with both the race car guys and especially the street car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony Drews ran FASTEST TIME OF THE DAY. If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It will mean a fair amount of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA personnel. We might also seek some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs associated with this proposed event. We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard core AUTOCROSSER among the FOT LIST. My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last time. This only goes to show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to want to do it. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Jul 16 07:23:51 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:23:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <20120716072205.AA8502D0DB4@autox.team.net> References: <20120716000402.EC7C22D099E@autox.team.net> <20120716072205.AA8502D0DB4@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <009601cd6356$3e9baf20$bbd30d60$@net> Back in the mid 80's I vintage raced an Austin Healy 100-4 with Michelin X tires and 48 spoke wheels. The drifting was exciting but we lost a lot of time in the turns. When I switched to wider, stickier tires, the outside wheels quickly became 18 spoke wheels. My observation: better tires require more spokes. I couldn't resist the temptation so I switched to 72 spokes which performed flawlessly. And, of course, I drove the car to and from the track. Richard Taylor TR-4 #196 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:30 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires If we're looking at 5.5" wide wheels, I doubt we're talking stock rims. Tony At 08:05 PM 7/15/2012, Terry Stetler wrote: >Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? Hence >it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels >of a stock TR-2. > >We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? > >Terry Stetler. >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net From sjanzen at me.com Mon Jul 16 07:35:07 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:35:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49276AA8-1068-4F9C-A90C-13342460553B@me.com> Good guys - father and son team (Jesse). I've spent time with them at VIR, Millville, PIRC. Always having a good time! Only problem is, Jesse is getting round the track as fast as my GT6! Best of all, they brought me a Prumanti's sandwich this weekend at the track - anyone from Pittsburgh knows what that means to a former Pittsburgher! On Jul 15, 2012, at 8:09 PM, marty sukey wrote: I would like to nominate a fellow Spitfire driver Charlie Darrow. I met Charlie at Mid-Ohio last month and ran into him again this weekend at Beaver Run (PIRC). Charlie has a well prepared Mk3 Spit and knows how to drive also. I figure that one more Spitfire guy on the list to answer all my questions will result in less questions for the rest of you from me. What say ye, can I have a second? Charlie's email is cdarrow2 at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 09:48:40 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 11:48:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I second the nomination....Spits are coming on strong even in my car club..great ! On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:37 AM, SCOTT JANZEN wrote: > Great guys- father and son team- raced with them at VIR, Millville and > PIRC this weekend. Quick, too Welcome! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 15, 2012, at 8:09 PM, marty sukey wrote: > > > I would like to nominate a fellow Spitfire driver Charlie Darrow. I met > > Charlie at Mid-Ohio last month and ran into him again this weekend at > Beaver > > Run (PIRC). Charlie has a well prepared Mk3 Spit and knows how to drive > also. > > I figure that one more Spitfire guy on the list to answer all my > questions > > will result in less questions for the rest of you from me. What say ye, > can I > > have a second? > > > > > > > > Charlie's email is cdarrow2 at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 16 10:00:03 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:00:03 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Morgan Trophy In-Reply-To: References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801cd636c$1116ff30$3344fd90$@com> A first video. The first time I was scared by my own car, which was equipped with Dunlop racing tires. Maybe the right tire for 48 wire spoke wheels? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2vCqUk4FGE&feature=player_embedded Cheers Chris From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Jul 16 10:29:06 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:29:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have 165-15 Continentals(no longer available) on my street TR-3, but I have an inexpensive bias tire on a stock rim for a spare. This seemed like the best solution for a street car. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Duncan Charlton To: Triumph Friends of Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires I don't think I'd want to drive a TR2 in the rain on bias plies if I had the option of using radial tires instead. Modern tires are much more resistant to hydroplaning (and the Vredesteins on my Morgan Plus 8 are not great in this regard) and I seem to recall that TR3s on original tires don't tolerate sloppy downshifts, which can cause the rear end to lose traction and cause a spin. On the other hand, you could practice 4-wheel drifts... Isn't the spare tire well too small for 165s? My (hazy) recollection is that this is why I kept the original spare in our '56 TR3. Duncan (Texas) On Jul 15, 2012, at 5:54 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Honestly, a set of 165 SR 15 radial tires is the only way to go if you drive > the car on any regular basis. > > They last longer, they turn better, they have far better straight ahead > stability, are far more puncture resistant, and most importantly, they stop > much better. > > Bias ply tires are for Pebble Beach show cars that never get driven. > > Terry Stetler. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 16 10:40:24 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: References: <8CF316BCAAEF536-1010-A8991@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF3188D4DCCAAF-1010-AD661@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Marty! I was thinking it might have been you that did the organIzing, at MOTRAH, but was afraid to say. "MOTRAH" came about because I was afraid to commit to our Triumph as a single marque event. This time, WE ARE IT. And Bob Lang will return to defend his title. BTW, there has been no discussion with ROAD AMERICA regarding the use of the GO-KART TRACK in the MOTOPLEX AREA. When we determine that we want to do this and have an organizer in place, we can discuss this with Road America. I would see this as not being exclusive to Triumphs. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: marty sukey To: Joe Alexander Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 11:27 am Subject: RE: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ It was a MOTRAH (Morgan Triumph AH) event and I believe it was the Morgan group that organized the autocross. Tony kicked rear at the event but I believe it was our Bob Lang that took FTD, in a loaner car no less. Marty > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:12:32 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ > > FOT: > > RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS > > While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I was reminded that we > ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. > > It was a huge success with both the race car guys and especially the street > car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony Drews ran FASTEST TIME > OF THE DAY. > > If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It will mean a fair amount > of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA personnel. We might also seek > some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs associated with this > proposed event. > > We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard core AUTOCROSSER among the > FOT LIST. > > My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last time. This only goes to > show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to want to do it. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From Triosan at gmail.com Mon Jul 16 11:08:43 2012 From: Triosan at gmail.com (Triosan at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:08:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Finally no longer a novice -- and near disaster Message-ID: I finally completed three novice level races with the northwest International Conference of Sports Car Clubs [ICSSC] this last weekend in Spokane. IT was a four day affair. First day was tenst and tune. I went out in first session, re-learned the track and decided to call it a day. The TR6 is "contentious" as the license director called it. I call it "Fragile". I call my ram "Wacamole Racing" given an issue always seems to pop up. Sure enough, next day go out for practice of race one, and the clutch penal stays at the floor in turn 6. Limp back to pits, leaking clutch fluid out the bottom of the tranny. Have to pull the tranny to see the problem as I have one of those linear throw out bearings with an input hose going into the hole where the old clutch fork goes on the drivers side, and out to a bled line from the other hole. Looked at the throwout bearing and it appeared to be leaking from the seal. Took the bearing apart and indeed the seal looked very rough. It was a wide square cut o-ring. Had doubts about finding a replacement in Spokane at noon on Friday, but someone recommended a source [Brown Bearing], and when the guy measured it is response was "how many"? Had to love that. Got back, reassembled everything, installed tranny with a couple of bolts in, and then tested it only to find the leak as bad as before. So much for assumptions of a problem without a thorough test. Took it out tranny and bearing out again, hooked up the clutch lines, added fluid, and watched it flow out of the cut in the bleed line. Seems this [new to me tranny as of last week] has a very sharp edge on the inside of exit hole. Now I had to find a replacement hose. Again the good folks of ICSSC recommended a place in Spokane called "House of Hose". Got there about 3 and they made up a hose quite quickly. By the time I go the car running again it was too late to take that day's novice race. If only I had one one more TnT session this would have been avoided. The next day went well, decent practice and qualifying, and a verf fun and satisfying race. I ended up 4th out of 12, as some attrition took out three cars ahead of me. That was my third novice race, so I took a [good, well written and useful] upgrade test. Passed, and so could race Sunday with my Group2 peers]. This group has a class for Porsche 944s, spec miata, club spec miata, and cf production. My prepped to 1969 C-prod specs runs as E-Prod. I am the only one in that class. I qualified next to last, though knew I was faster than the two Miata's ahead of me. Then came the race. For 10 laps I followed a Miata I could have passed on either of the straights at any time, but chose to follow as he was faster in the corners. I learned a lot about how he did it bu following close as we corned. On the 10th lap I passed on the front straight. Took the sweeper at the end better than I had all weekend, and headed uphill towards turn three. Upon arriving there, and shifting from 3rd to 4th at 6000 rpm, near disaster struck. The steering wheel came out in my hands, being no longer attached to the u-joint in the Borgson steering assemble. Panic, off track right, up a sandy hill, parallel to the track and aimed straight at an elevated turn station. The eyes of the flagger grew wide. Fortunately the terrain was such I dug a trench and the wheels turned to the right and acted like snow plows, so I stopped in time. I installed the steering system 3 years ago, and never gave it another thought. What happened is the grub screw and nut that holds the splines in the u-joint backed out and disappeared. So now, in the vein of "don't be beaten by equipment" I will Locktite the grub screws, safety wire them, and add a spacer on the shaft between the ujoint and the firewall that will stop the shaft from moving even if there are no screws in the shaft. From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 16 11:13:36 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:13:36 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <009601cd6356$3e9baf20$bbd30d60$@net> References: <20120716000402.EC7C22D099E@autox.team.net>, , <20120716072205.AA8502D0DB4@autox.team.net>, <009601cd6356$3e9baf20$bbd30d60$@net> Message-ID: When I was racing my TR-3 it was always with the 48 spoke wheels the others were not allowed. I'd break two or three ever race and every prictice. Got pretty good at replacing them quickly without dismounting the tires. It is just not a big deal. Steet driving on 48 spokers? they'll probably last another fifty years. It wasn't until I started using sticky recaps that I had the spoke problem. Never be beaten by equipment > From: tarch at bellsouth.net > To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:23:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > Back in the mid 80's I vintage raced an Austin Healy 100-4 with Michelin X > tires and 48 spoke wheels. The drifting was exciting but we lost a lot of > time in the turns. When I switched to wider, stickier tires, the outside > wheels quickly became 18 spoke wheels. > > My observation: better tires require more spokes. I couldn't resist the > temptation so I switched to 72 spokes which performed flawlessly. > > And, of course, I drove the car to and from the track. > > Richard Taylor > TR-4 #196 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Tony Drews > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:30 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > If we're looking at 5.5" wide wheels, I doubt we're talking stock rims. > > Tony > > At 08:05 PM 7/15/2012, Terry Stetler wrote: > >Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? > Hence > >it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels > >of a stock TR-2. > > > >We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? > > > >Terry Stetler. > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Mon Jul 16 11:55:55 2012 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] valve cover gaskets TR4 Message-ID: <1342461355.9938.YahooMailNeo@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I know there have been treads about the trick nice valve cover gaskets on thie forum. Please contact me off line about them. thanks Mike From list at mackenzie.aero Mon Jul 16 11:51:33 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:51:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <8CF316BCAAEF536-1010-A8991@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF316BCAAEF536-1010-A8991@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000c01cd637b$a402da30$ec088e90$@aero> I would be happy to assist in any way that I can. Frankly; I do not have the time to volunteer as the lead event organizer but I am very good at gathering sponsorship. Count me in. Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '62 Spitfire 4 (race/autoX) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:13 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ FOT: RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I was reminded that we ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. It was a huge success with both the race car guys and especially the street car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony Drews ran FASTEST TIME OF THE DAY. If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It will mean a fair amount of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA personnel. We might also seek some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs associated with this proposed event. We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard core AUTOCROSSER among the FOT LIST. My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last time. This only goes to show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to want to do it. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 16 12:15:46 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:15:46 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com> I feel a little race is coming on: Started on pole, missed it (as usual when I'm on pole), but managed to become 2nd overall and first in class: http://youtu.be/J0lz_fYtCv0 Cheers Chris From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 16 12:46:09 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <000c01cd637b$a402da30$ec088e90$@aero> References: <8CF316BCAAEF536-1010-A8991@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> <000c01cd637b$a402da30$ec088e90$@aero> Message-ID: <8CF319A65C19EB4-1010-B0CA4@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Excellent! Bob Lang has volunteered to take a leadership role. I assume Bob has already taken your name down and will be in touch My job will be to provide a contact at Road America who may accept our proposal to add this to our Kastner Cup events. Things will likely have changed since we last did this. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert MacKenzie To: 'Joe Alexander' ; fot Cc: fot Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 1:38 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ I would be happy to assist in any way that I can. Frankly; I do not have the time to volunteer as the lead event organizer but I am very good at gathering sponsorship. Count me in. Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '62 Spitfire 4 (race/autoX) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 8:13 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ FOT: RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I was reminded that we ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. It was a huge success with both the race car guys and especially the street car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony Drews ran FASTEST TIME OF THE DAY. If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It will mean a fair amount of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA personnel. We might also seek some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs associated with this proposed event. We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard core AUTOCROSSER among the FOT LIST. My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last time. This only goes to show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to want to do it. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 16 13:28:46 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:28:46 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Morgan 4-cylinder race References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002c01cd6389$39667de0$ac3379a0$@com> This one is on Dunlop racings - 6 year old tires with much used....borrowed for this race. Watch out for the SLR cars: http://youtu.be/nvMGqXXWFuQ Chris From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 16 14:13:31 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:13:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: References: <20120716000402.EC7C22D099E@autox.team.net>, , <20120716072205.AA8502D0DB4@autox.team.net>, <009601cd6356$3e9baf20$bbd30d60$@net>, Message-ID: fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] TR2 Tires Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:13:36 +0000 When I was racing my TR-3 it was always with the 48 spoke wheels the others were not allowed. I'd break two or three ever race and every prictice. Got pretty good at replacing them quickly without dismounting the tires. It is just not a big deal. Steet driving on 48 spokers? they'll probably last another fifty years. It wasn't until I started using sticky recaps that I had the spoke problem. Never be beaten by equipment > From: tarch at bellsouth.net > To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:23:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > Back in the mid 80's I vintage raced an Austin Healy 100-4 with Michelin X > tires and 48 spoke wheels. The drifting was exciting but we lost a lot of > time in the turns. When I switched to wider, stickier tires, the outside > wheels quickly became 18 spoke wheels. > > My observation: better tires require more spokes. I couldn't resist the > temptation so I switched to 72 spokes which performed flawlessly. > > And, of course, I drove the car to and from the track. > > Richard Taylor > TR-4 #196 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Tony Drews > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:30 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > If we're looking at 5.5" wide wheels, I doubt we're talking stock rims. > > Tony > > At 08:05 PM 7/15/2012, Terry Stetler wrote: > >Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? > Hence > >it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels > >of a stock TR-2. > > > >We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? > > > >Terry Stetler. > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 16 15:10:59 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] valve cover gaskets TR4 In-Reply-To: <1342461355.9938.YahooMailNeo@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1342461355.9938.YahooMailNeo@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CF31AEA1EB2304-1010-B3F37@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> the best in the business is fot justin wagner, but job demands and a new house has kept him away from his molds. there is a guy from iowa that sells on ebay. lower cost, but after having justin's it isnt the same. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mehl To: Triumph Friends of Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 3:50 pm Subject: [Fot] valve cover gaskets TR4 I know there have been treads about the trick nice valve cover gaskets on thie forum. Please contact me off line about them. thanks Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon Jul 16 15:36:47 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:36:47 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: <1342473156.34607.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: , <1342473156.34607.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, I ran the wires as they were that 1/2" wider than the steel wheels. they were a LOT heavier what with wire wheel adapter and knock-off hub. I would probably have been faster with the discs but the wires looked very cool and when you are in your 20's, cool is it!. Actually with the way I was always pitching the car I doubt the steel disc would have lasted very long and the spokes would break and give you a change to recover, but when disc breaks, you are gone. Never be beaten by equipment Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:12:36 -0700 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires To: tarch at bellsouth.net; tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net; kaskas at cox.net Kas: Am I coorrect in assuming that you used the wire wheels because they were 1/2" wider than the stock steel wheels? Surely they must weigh the same, if not a bit more tham steel wheels. -Ed- --- On Mon, 7/16/12, Kas Kastner wrote: From: Kas Kastner Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires To: "Richard Taylor" , tony at tonydrews.com, "fot" Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 12:13 PM When I was racing my TR-3 it was always with the 48 spoke wheels the others were not allowed. I'd break two or three ever race and every prictice. Got pretty good at replacing them quickly without dismounting the tires. It is just not a big deal. Steet driving on 48 spokers? they'll probably last another fifty years. It wasn't until I started using sticky recaps that I had the spoke problem. Never be beaten by equipment > From: tarch at bellsouth.net > To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:23:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > Back in the mid 80's I vintage raced an Austin Healy 100-4 with Michelin X > tires and 48 spoke wheels. The drifting was exciting but we lost a lot of > time in the turns. When I switched to wider, stickier tires, the outside > wheels quickly became 18 spoke wheels. > > My observation: better tires require more spokes. I couldn't resist the > temptation so I switched to 72 spokes which performed flawlessly. > > And, of course, I drove the car to and from the track. > > Richard Taylor > TR-4 #196 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team..net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Tony Drews > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:30 AM > To: fot at autox.team..net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > If we're looking at 5.5" wide wheels, I doubt we're talking stock rims. > > Tony > > At 08:05 PM 7/15/2012, Terry Stetler wrote: > >Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? > Hence > >it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels > >of a stock TR-2. > > > >We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? > > > >Terry Stetler. > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Jul 16 15:41:14 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:41:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Assen Morgan Trophy In-Reply-To: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000801cd636c$1116ff30$3344fd90$@com> References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000801cd636c$1116ff30$3344fd90$@com> Message-ID: Wow, great car control skills sir. The rain is, different. Thanks for sharing the video. Terry Stetler From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Jul 16 15:12:36 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1342473156.34607.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Kas: Am I coorrect in assuming that you used the wire wheels because they were 1/2" wider than the stock steel wheels? Surely they must weigh the same, if not a bit more tham steel wheels. -Ed- --- On Mon, 7/16/12, Kas Kastner wrote: From: Kas Kastner Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires To: "Richard Taylor" , tony at tonydrews.com, "fot" Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 12:13 PM When I was racing my TR-3 it was always with the 48 spoke wheels the others were not allowed. I'd break two or three ever race and every prictice. Got pretty good at replacing them quickly without dismounting the tires. It is just not a big deal. Steet driving on 48 spokers? they'll probably last another fifty years. It wasn't until I started using sticky recaps that I had the spoke problem. Never be beaten by equipment > From: tarch at bellsouth.net > To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:23:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > Back in the mid 80's I vintage raced an Austin Healy 100-4 with Michelin X > tires and 48 spoke wheels. The drifting was exciting but we lost a lot of > time in the turns. When I switched to wider, stickier tires, the outside > wheels quickly became 18 spoke wheels. > > My observation: better tires require more spokes. I couldn't resist the > temptation so I switched to 72 spokes which performed flawlessly. > > And, of course, I drove the car to and from the track. > > Richard Taylor > TR-4 #196 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Tony Drews > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:30 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > > If we're looking at 5.5" wide wheels, I doubt we're talking stock rims. > > Tony > > At 08:05 PM 7/15/2012, Terry Stetler wrote: > >Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? > Hence > >it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels > >of a stock TR-2. > > > >We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? > > > >Terry Stetler. > >_______________________________________________ > >fot at autox.team.net > > > >http://www.fot-racing.com > > > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >Unsubscribe: > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 16 16:05:40 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:05:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: Amici, I have another Spitfire driver to nominate, Rich Johnson. He races a Spitfire 1500 at Waterford Hills. His email is: johnson.richard_johnsor1 at gene.com Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Jul 16 16:10:49 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:10:49 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Morgan Trophy In-Reply-To: References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000801cd636c$1116ff30$3344fd90$@com> Message-ID: <005601cd639f$df861a30$9e924e90$@com> Thank you Sir.was the naked will to survive J Chris Von: Terry Stetler [mailto:tlizzard at msn.com] Gesendet: Montag, 16. Juli 2012 23:41 An: 'Triumph Friends of'; MadMarx Betreff: Re: [Fot] Assen Morgan Trophy Wow, great car control skills sir. The rain is, different. Thanks for sharing the video. Terry Stetler From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 16 19:01:45 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 21:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] valve cover gaskets TR4 Justin Wagner In-Reply-To: <8CF31AEA1EB2304-1010-B3F37@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> References: <1342461355.9938.YahooMailNeo@web46116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <8CF31AEA1EB2304-1010-B3F37@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF31CEDE79EA2A-1010-B55CD@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> if i could talk justin into an order of 10 or so, i could get them and pass them on at cost. we could use one a year ago.....so that's one. the last time i talked to him he was 'on location' at a movie and very busy. like Sean Alexander said a few minutes ago, there just is no better way. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander To: mike.mehl ; fot Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:43 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] valve cover gaskets TR4 the best in the business is fot justin wagner, but job demands and a new house has kept him away from his molds. there is a guy from iowa that sells on ebay. lower cost, but after having justin's it isnt the same. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mehl To: Triumph Friends of Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 3:50 pm Subject: [Fot] valve cover gaskets TR4 I know there have been treads about the trick nice valve cover gaskets on thie forum. Please contact me off line about them. thanks Mike _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Jul 16 19:34:48 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:34:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Portland Historics Message-ID: <5004C138.7050201@comcast.net> I'm trying to wrap up my article for the local Triumph club newsletter this month and am reporting on the Portland historic race results. There is a red number 15 Triumph listed in Group 2 with no drivers name or model attached. Any idea who or what car this was? Thanks in advance. From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jul 16 19:48:26 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:48:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Assen Morgan Trophy In-Reply-To: <000801cd636c$1116ff30$3344fd90$@com> References: <1342376150.9260.YahooMailRC@web181005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <000801cd636c$1116ff30$3344fd90$@com> Message-ID: Wow. Dunlops on a wet track. You'd be good at Ice Racing! :) Tony At 11:00 AM 7/16/2012, MadMarx wrote: >A first video. >The first time I was scared by my own car, which was equipped with Dunlop >racing tires. >Maybe the right tire for 48 wire spoke wheels? > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2vCqUk4FGE&feature=player_embedded > >Cheers >Chris From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jul 16 19:50:31 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:50:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <8CF316BCAAEF536-1010-A8991@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF316BCAAEF536-1010-A8991@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I came in 2nd - my throttle was sticking (at least that's the excuse I'm going with) and Bob Lang managed to beat me. I never did get that bottle of wine that was the "trophy". Very cool to have that going along with the race. Tony At 08:12 AM 7/16/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >FOT: > >RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS > >While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I was reminded that we >ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. > >It was a huge success with both the race car guys and especially the street >car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony Drews ran FASTEST TIME >OF THE DAY. > >If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It will mean a fair amount >of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA personnel. We might also seek >some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs associated with this >proposed event. > >We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard core AUTOCROSSER among the >FOT LIST. > >My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last time. This only goes to >show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to want to do it. > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Jul 16 22:16:52 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 04:16:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <20120717033556.032672D1295@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1756317145.2230750.1342498612657.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Congrats for 2nd, Tony. And, to Bob for the win. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "Joe Alexander" , fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 6:50:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ I came in 2nd - my throttle was sticking (at least that's the excuse I'm going with) and Bob Lang managed to beat me. I never did get that bottle of wine that was the "trophy". Very cool to have that going along with the race. Tony At 08:12 AM 7/16/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >FOT: > >RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS > >While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I was reminded that we >ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. > >It was a huge success with both the race car guys and especially the street >car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony Drews ran FASTEST TIME >OF THE DAY. > >If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It will mean a fair amount >of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA personnel. We might also seek >some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs associated with this >proposed event. > >We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard core AUTOCROSSER among the >FOT LIST. > >My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last time. This only goes to >show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to want to do it. > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Mon Jul 16 22:14:18 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 04:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition In-Reply-To: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com> Message-ID: <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Amazing drive as usual, Chris. I watched the whole thing and forgot what I was really supposed to be doing. It looked like first place to me. Great stuff and thanks for sharing the vids. Dave H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "Triumph Friends of" Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:15:46 AM Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition I feel a little race is coming on: Started on pole, missed it (as usual when I'm on pole), but managed to become 2nd overall and first in class: http://youtu.be/J0lz_fYtCv0 Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 17 04:04:08 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:04:08 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition In-Reply-To: <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com> <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <003e01cd6403$830eb0f0$892c12d0$@com> And race 2: http://youtu.be/Yv3HSdGFN40 _____ From: "MadMarx" < tr4racing at googlemail.com> To: "Triumph Friends of" < fot at autox.team.net> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:15:46 AM Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition I feel a little race is coming on: Started on pole, missed it (as usual when I'm on pole), but managed to become 2nd overall and first in class: http://youtu.be/J0lz_fYtCv0 Cheers Chris From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Tue Jul 17 04:30:24 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 03:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] RATCO FRAME TR3A Message-ID: <1342521024.90684.YahooMailClassic@web162203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Dear patient friends, Sooo do to another off course excursion at the hawk we now now need a new frame and a bunch of sheetmetal. I have heard good things about the RATCO chassis but am on the fence about converting to R&P. Within the R&P question is another questio? Early TR4 or late? Which rack will work best with what steering and suspension componants to produce the least bump steer? I am by no means a TR expert and not sure what works with what. I can't seem to get the forums or archives to work to see what has been written in the past. Thanks Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Tue Jul 17 04:38:34 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 03:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <20120717033603.0001D2D12E8@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1342521514.13171.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Knocking over cones is easier on the car and mechanic than glancing off concrete barriers. Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Tue, 7/17/12, Tony Drews wrote: > From: Tony Drews > Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ > To: "Joe Alexander" , fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 1:50 AM > I came in 2nd - my throttle was > sticking (at least that's the excuse > I'm going with) and Bob Lang managed to beat me. I > never did get > that bottle of wine that was the "trophy". Very cool > to have that > going along with the race. > > Tony > > At 08:12 AM 7/16/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: > >FOT: > > > >RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 > SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS > > > >While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I > was reminded that we > >ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. > > > >It was a huge success with both the race car guys and > especially the street > >car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony > Drews ran FASTEST TIME > >OF THE DAY. > > > >If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It > will mean a fair amount > >of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA > personnel. We might also seek > >some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs > associated with this > >proposed event. > > > >We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard > core AUTOCROSSER among the > >FOT LIST. > > > >My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last > time. This only goes to > >show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to > want to do it. > > > > > >Joe Alexander > >A. R. E. > >645 1st Street > >Jesup, Iowa 50648 > >319.464.4711 (cell) > >n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com From mmoore at wave1.net Tue Jul 17 06:23:22 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 08:23:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing license Message-ID: <002201cd6416$f53546e0$df9fd4a0$@net> I bought Gary Horstkorta's TR4 from California and brought it home a few weeks ago. I need some advice on getting my license. I live in Erie, PA so I am 3-4 hours from Mid-Ohio and Watkins Glen. Do I go through SVRA or another vintage organization? What driving school should I use (Barber, Mid-Ohio, etc). Basically not sure where to start. I have been running HPDE days for 2 years now, so I am ready for next step. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 17 06:51:41 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 05:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1342529501.58019.YahooMailNeo@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici, I have another Spitfire driver to nominate, Rich Johnson. He races a Spitfire 1500 at Waterford Hills. His email is: Busterwcr at aol.com Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Jul 17 07:13:49 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:13:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <1342521514.13171.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <20120717033603.0001D2D12E8@autox.team.net>, <1342521514.13171.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes the cones are soft. However, sometimes there are concrete fill steel poles lurking behind those cones. Hit one of those and you will write a car off pretty quick. Not that I have done that or anything.... :) Marty > Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 03:38:34 -0700 > From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net; tony at tonydrews.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ > > Knocking over cones is easier on the car and mechanic than glancing off > concrete barriers. > Guy Morter > Vintage Auto Service > 262 573 4511 > > Flatheads Forever! From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 17 07:18:13 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:18:13 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition References: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com> <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <007b01cd641e$9fae2900$df0a7b00$@com> Seems the link was dead: http://youtu.be/RC-dFW-R_p4 Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Juli 2012 12:04 An: 'Triumph Friends of' Betreff: AW: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition And race 2: _____ From: "MadMarx" < tr4racing at googlemail.com> To: "Triumph Friends of" < fot at autox.team.net> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 11:15:46 AM Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition I feel a little race is coming on: Started on pole, missed it (as usual when I'm on pole), but managed to become 2nd overall and first in class: http://youtu.be/J0lz_fYtCv0 Cheers Chris From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 17 09:03:06 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:03:06 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Racing license In-Reply-To: <002201cd6416$f53546e0$df9fd4a0$@net> References: <002201cd6416$f53546e0$df9fd4a0$@net> Message-ID: <008d01cd642d$49620940$dc261bc0$@com> I have a Skip Barber book. Good book, so maybe the school is also good? Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mike Moore Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Juli 2012 14:23 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Racing license I bought Gary Horstkorta's TR4 from California and brought it home a few weeks ago. I need some advice on getting my license. I live in Erie, PA so I am 3-4 hours from Mid-Ohio and Watkins Glen. Do I go through SVRA or another vintage organization? What driving school should I use (Barber, Mid-Ohio, etc). Basically not sure where to start. I have been running HPDE days for 2 years now, so I am ready for next step. Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jul 17 09:15:52 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:15:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <009701cd642f$0e8e74f0$2bab5ed0$@rr.com> Second....................Always room for another Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Doug Mitchell Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 8:52 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: busterwcr at aol.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination Amici, I have another Spitfire driver to nominate, Rich Johnson. He races a Spitfire 1500 at Waterford Hills. His email is: Busterwcr at aol.com Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jul 17 09:47:49 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:47:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <1342521514.13171.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <20120717033603.0001D2D12E8@autox.team.net> <1342521514.13171.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: And easier on them than getting center punched in the right side on Friday and Left rear on Saturday at Mid Ohio John H. 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Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Tue, 7/17/12, Tony Drews wrote: > From: Tony Drews > Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE > AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ > To: "Joe Alexander" , fot at autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 1:50 AM > I came in 2nd - my throttle was > sticking (at least that's the excuse > I'm going with) and Bob Lang managed to beat me. I never did get that > bottle of wine that was the "trophy". Very cool to have that going > along with the race. > > Tony > > At 08:12 AM 7/16/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: > >FOT: > > > >RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 > SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS > > > >While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I > was reminded that we > >ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. > > > >It was a huge success with both the race car guys and > especially the street > >car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony > Drews ran FASTEST TIME > >OF THE DAY. > > > >If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It > will mean a fair amount > >of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA > personnel. We might also seek > >some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs > associated with this > >proposed event. > > > >We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard > core AUTOCROSSER among the > >FOT LIST. > > > >My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last > time. This only goes to > >show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to > want to do it. > > > > > >Joe Alexander > >A. R. E. > >645 1st Street > >Jesup, Iowa 50648 > >319.464.4711 (cell) > >n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Tue Jul 17 10:13:22 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Need a TR3 Frame Message-ID: <1342541602.23989.YahooMailClassic@web162205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Just got off the phone with Tony at RATCO. 6-8 week delivery $4350 + and estimated $600 shipping. Anyone got a frame to sell? We want to be at the fall vintage at RA. Gracias! Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 17 10:39:43 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:39:43 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 In-Reply-To: References: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com>, <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, <007b01cd641e$9fae2900$df0a7b00$@com> Message-ID: <00a201cd643a$c71511e0$553f35a0$@com> I think this is one of my best races. I took my secret gun to town. I had no chance against the yellow TR 3 and the rusty TR 250 (you read right  the car has no paint) so I thought.now it is time to remove the air cleaners to gain some power. And it paid off. http://youtu.be/YnqwyIe8JrQ Chris From tr4.tony at virgin.net Tue Jul 17 10:36:15 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 17:36:15 +0100 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ KART TRACK??/ In-Reply-To: <1342521514.13171.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1342521514.13171.YahooMailClassic@web162201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <91BFA240-99AD-4C12-AF11-A485426215F3@virgin.net> Well I can vouch for that too - a good cage with sidebars and a properly strengthened chassis means that you can still get a podium after a tickling a few metal posts, even with the front suspension only held on at the top and by the the ARB link .... I wondered why I had to deploy a little more lock that day. Sent from my iPhone On 17 Jul 2012, at 11:38, Guy Morter wrote: > Knocking over cones is easier on the car and mechanic than glancing off > concrete barriers. > Guy Morter > Vintage Auto Service > 262 573 4511 > > Flatheads Forever! > > > --- On Tue, 7/17/12, Tony Drews wrote: > >> From: Tony Drews >> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP 2013 ROAD AMERICA PLANNING PHASE AUTOCROSS @ > KART TRACK??/ >> To: "Joe Alexander" , fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 1:50 AM >> I came in 2nd - my throttle was >> sticking (at least that's the excuse >> I'm going with) and Bob Lang managed to beat me. I >> never did get >> that bottle of wine that was the "trophy". Very cool >> to have that >> going along with the race. >> >> Tony >> >> At 08:12 AM 7/16/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: >>> FOT: >>> >>> RE: KASTNER CUP 2013 >> SEPTEMBER PROPOSED KCUP AUTOCROSS >>> >>> While at RA this weekend and doing some KCUP PLANNING, I >> was reminded that we >>> ran an AUTOCROSS during an earlier Kastner Cup. >>> >>> It was a huge success with both the race car guys and >> especially the street >>> car guys that came to see the Kastner Cup. I think Tony >> Drews ran FASTEST TIME >>> OF THE DAY. >>> >>> If we are going to do this, it will need a leader. It >> will mean a fair amount >>> of organization and working with ROAD AMERICA >> personnel. We might also seek >>> some kindly SPONSOR that will help support any costs >> associated with this >>> proposed event. >>> >>> We need an EVENT ORGANIZER. Surely, we have a hard >> core AUTOCROSSER among the >>> FOT LIST. >>> >>> My apologies. I cant remember who organized it last >> time. This only goes to >>> show how thankless volunteerism can be. You just have to >> want to do it. >>> >>> >>> Joe Alexander >>> A. R. E. >>> 645 1st Street >>> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >>> 319.464.4711 (cell) >>> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From horizonracing at msn.com Tue Jul 17 11:38:40 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 10:38:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] spitfire h/gasket question Message-ID: Hi All, So, a street spit gets towed into my shop...new engine, unable to start ! I get it run ...well kinda, so I remove the cylinder head and find the Flame ring from the head gasket has been forced into the bores on cyl.;s 1 and 2 (now looks like a heart shape). This engine has the recesses in the block. The gasket does have the "Tab"(looks like a "county" gasket was used) , so I believe the correct gasket . Flat top pistons (+ 020 ) . What else should I look for ?Block surface is flat as is the head. The combustion chamber is is 500 thou deep to the valve, so compression is not an issue. What should the depth of the recess be ? perhaps these were re machined ? Thank you Tony Garmeywww.horizonracing.com From gasket.works at gte.net Tue Jul 17 12:38:50 2012 From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:38:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] spitfire h/gasket question Message-ID: <850256380-1342550334-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-21977879-@b26.c8.bise6.blackberry> I've made copper rings to fit these recesses. They stood proud of the deck by a small amount and pressed into the gasket. ------Original Message------ From: Tony and Annie Garmey Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net To: FOT Subject: [Fot] spitfire h/gasket question Sent: Jul 17, 2012 1:38 PM Hi All, So, a street spit gets towed into my shop...new engine, unable to start ! I get it run ...well kinda, so I remove the cylinder head and find the Flame ring from the head gasket has been forced into the bores on cyl.;s 1 and 2 (now looks like a heart shape). This engine has the recesses in the block. The gasket does have the "Tab"(looks like a "county" gasket was used) , so I believe the correct gasket . Flat top pistons (+ 020 ) . What else should I look for ?Block surface is flat as is the head. The combustion chamber is is 500 thou deep to the valve, so compression is not an issue. What should the depth of the recess be ? perhaps these were re machined ? Thank you Tony Garmeywww.horizonracing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gasket.works at gte.net Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From list at mackenzie.aero Tue Jul 17 13:31:51 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:31:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] spitfire h/gasket question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001801cd6452$d1572ea0$74058be0$@aero> Tony: What you have described is quite common. I have had to change many head gaskets on my (and my friends) Spits and found the same scenario. They seem to run for a while then just give up for no real reason. The only gasket to consider is the one made by Payen. They seem to be the only ones that last. Some of the others will have the copper crush seals that fit into the recesses but never seal as well. Some of the paper or copper coated paper gaskets that are floating around, often made in India, are only good if the engine is an earlier block without the recess or has been skimmed. In that case I would go for a pure copper one anyway. In my humble opinion you should replace the head studs while the head is off. Stretched studs are the main cause of head gasket failures. At $5-$7 each that are not cheap but still cheaper than replacing the head gasket again after a few heat cycles. [Trust me on this...] Also pay particular attention to the torque sequence and go up in small steps. I hope this helps. Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony and Annie Garmey Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:39 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] spitfire h/gasket question Hi All, So, a street spit gets towed into my shop...new engine, unable to start ! I get it run ...well kinda, so I remove the cylinder head and find the Flame ring from the head gasket has been forced into the bores on cyl.;s 1 and 2 (now looks like a heart shape). This engine has the recesses in the block. The gasket does have the "Tab"(looks like a "county" gasket was used) , so I believe the correct gasket . Flat top pistons (+ 020 ) . What else should I look for ?Block surface is flat as is the head. The combustion chamber is is 500 thou deep to the valve, so compression is not an issue. What should the depth of the recess be ? perhaps these were re machined ? Thank you Tony Garmeywww.horizonracing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Tue Jul 17 13:34:14 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Stalled TR3 -4 Project Message-ID: <1342553654.92347.YahooMailClassic@web162205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Russ Moore can up with a suggestion for my frame dilemma. Maybe someone knows about a stalled project that has a RATCO frame and the owner is ready to surrender. Any thoughts out there? Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! From bkahler1 at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 14:09:23 2012 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:09:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 3/4 Mallory dual point - 4 sale Message-ID: Amici, I've got a Mallory dual point that we pulled off of a street TR4 for sale. I figured I would offer it here first before putting it on eBay. Contact me off list if interested. Thanks, Brad From cofrog at q.com Tue Jul 17 14:27:24 2012 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 In-Reply-To: <00a201cd643a$c71511e0$553f35a0$@com> Message-ID: <297461286.50439.1342556844818.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Glad you didn't trade paint! Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:39:43 AM Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 I think this is one of my best races. I took my secret gun to town. I had no chance against the yellow TR 3 and the rusty TR 250 (you read right B the car has no paint) so I thought.now it is time to remove the air cleaners to gain some power. And it paid off. http://youtu.be/YnqwyIe8JrQ Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Jul 17 14:35:45 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:35:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MORE spitfire h/gasket question In-Reply-To: <001801cd6452$d1572ea0$74058be0$@aero> References: , <001801cd6452$d1572ea0$74058be0$@aero> Message-ID: Ah perfect timing for this subject as I am getting ready to start on my next Spitfire engine project. Grenade number 2 if you will. I will be making another attempt at a MK3 1296. A while ago it was suggested to me that I counter bore the face of the block to accept a later head gasket out of the 1500 engines. That they would hold up better than the non-recessed earlier gaskets. If this is indeed the path to take, does anybody happen to have the dimensions (depth and diameter) of the recess on a 1500 spit engine? Opinions/suggestions welcome :) Marty From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jul 17 14:38:21 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 20:38:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Racing license In-Reply-To: <002201cd6416$f53546e0$df9fd4a0$@net> Message-ID: <614391819.1968746.1342557501482.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Mike, Most VintageB clubs have one school per year, some have two. You should first look for the club that suits you or your location. Then make sure the car is legal for that club. Not all FoT cars are legal everywhere or so I'm told. I would get in touch withB the club you choose and see what they suggest for schools. Our club, RMVR insists that even if you arrive with an SCCA, NASA or even FIA license you still have to do their school so they can drive home the " no contact " rules and the whole vintatge spitirit thing. I think most schools around the country can include some vintageB instruction in the classroom work on an individual basis thus making you elegible for a vintage license. The place to start is really with the club you choose to run in. You may even find a driver instructor within that club that can get it done. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 6:23:22 AM Subject: [Fot] Racing license I bought Gary Horstkorta's TR4 from California and brought it home a few weeks ago. B I need some advice on getting my license. I live in Erie, PA so I am 3-4 hours from Mid-Ohio and Watkins Glen. B Do I go through SVRA or another vintage organization? What driving school should I use (Barber, Mid-Ohio, etc). B Basically not sure where to start. B I have been running HPDE days for 2 years now, so I am ready for next step. B Thanks Mike B Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 B Phone: 814-868-4831 B ext 103 Fax: B B B B 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 17 14:56:22 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Wagner Valve Cover Gasket- Message-ID: <8CF3275C15A3192-EFC-D8EE@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com> Tooling has been essentially mothballed in a warehouse for the time being. No new gaskets will be available in the near term. I tried with an offer of buying 10 to pass on at cost. We could use one or two. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From markvaden at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 15:31:14 2012 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:31:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 In-Reply-To: <00a201cd643a$c71511e0$553f35a0$@com> References: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com> <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <007b01cd641e$9fae2900$df0a7b00$@com> <00a201cd643a$c71511e0$553f35a0$@com> Message-ID: Chris, I really enjoyed your pass at around the 15 minute mark. What happened to the tr250 at the end? -Mark On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:39 AM, MadMarx wrote: > I think this is one of my best races. > > > > I took my secret gun to town. I had no chance against the yellow TR 3 and > the rusty TR 250 (you read right the car has no paint) so I thought .now > it is time to remove the air cleaners to gain some power. And it paid off. > > > > http://youtu.be/YnqwyIe8JrQ > > > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/markvaden at gmail.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Jul 17 15:37:39 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 23:37:39 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 In-Reply-To: References: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com> <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <007b01cd641e$9fae2900$df0a7b00$@com> <00a201cd643a$c71511e0$553f35a0$@com> Message-ID: <003801cd6464$65d3d0e0$317b72a0$@com> Mark, the TR 250 locked one of the front brake and went wide but recovered and crossed the finish line behind me. Cheers Chris Von: Mark Vaden [mailto:markvaden at gmail.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Juli 2012 23:31 An: MadMarx Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 Chris, I really enjoyed your pass at around the 15 minute mark. What happened to the tr250 at the end? -Mark On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:39 AM, MadMarx wrote: I think this is one of my best races. I took my secret gun to town. I had no chance against the yellow TR 3 and the rusty TR 250 (you read right the car has no paint) so I thought .now it is time to remove the air cleaners to gain some power. And it paid off. http://youtu.be/YnqwyIe8JrQ Chris _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/markvaden at gmail.com From bkahler1 at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 16:38:15 2012 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:38:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 3/4 Mallory dual point - 4 sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The distributor has been sold. On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > Amici, > > I've got a Mallory dual point that we pulled off of a street TR4 for sale. > I figured I would offer it here first before putting it on eBay. > > Contact me off list if interested. > > Thanks, > > Brad From jason at multivintage.com Tue Jul 17 17:01:38 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 18:01:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 In-Reply-To: <003801cd6464$65d3d0e0$317b72a0$@com> References: <001d01cd637f$06e41620$14ac4260$@com> <412724408.2230680.1342498458709.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <007b01cd641e$9fae2900$df0a7b00$@com> <00a201cd643a$c71511e0$553f35a0$@com> <003801cd6464$65d3d0e0$317b72a0$@com> Message-ID: Great race... Yep definitely one of your best. did you just simply remove the air filters, making no other changes to the fuel mixture? thanks for the show. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:37 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Mark, > > > > the TR 250 locked one of the front brake and went wide but recovered and > crossed the finish line behind me. > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > Von: Mark Vaden [mailto:markvaden at gmail.com] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 17. Juli 2012 23:31 > An: MadMarx > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 > > > > Chris, > > > > I really enjoyed your pass at around the 15 minute mark. What happened to > the tr250 at the end? > > > > -Mark > > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:39 AM, MadMarx wrote: > > I think this is one of my best races. > > > > I took my secret gun to town. I had no chance against the yellow TR 3 and > the rusty TR 250 (you read right the car has no paint) so I thought .now > it is time to remove the air cleaners to gain some power. And it paid off. > > > > http://youtu.be/YnqwyIe8JrQ > > > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/markvaden at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Jul 17 21:33:44 2012 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 20:33:44 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 Message-ID: <11561700.1342582425033.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> You were clearly faster than that rust-bucket TR250. That guy was all over the track, blocking and weaving. Congrats on the win, and what an amazing track! In our race club, paint is required on all vehicles. ~Steve -----Original Message----- >From: MadMarx >Sent: Jul 17, 2012 9:39 AM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 > >I think this is one of my best races. > > > >I took my secret gun to town. I had no chance against the yellow TR 3 and >the rusty TR 250 (you read right  the car has no paint) so I thought.now >it is time to remove the air cleaners to gain some power. And it paid off. > > > >http://youtu.be/YnqwyIe8JrQ > > > >Chris >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/colordog.1 at earthlink.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 18 01:52:35 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:52:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 In-Reply-To: <11561700.1342582425033.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <11561700.1342582425033.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001501cd64ba$4cf0b330$e6d21990$@com> Hi Steve, we are required also paint but unfortunately we didn't say it has to be on the outside of the car. At his car all parts are glossy painted from inside. Drivers compartment, engine room, frame and trunk looks like on a concour car. Have a look: http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5800.jpg http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5803.jpg http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5802.jpg The car has so many nice details like the illuminated skull or the sticker. In race 1 + 2 I was beaten by "Genuine stolen parts" which one of the stickers shows. :-) The rat racer turns out to be peoples darling and always crowds build up around this car because of the quality how the "rust" is presented. But we allow only ONE car in this manner. Cheers Chris -----UrsprC References: <11561700.1342582425033.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001501cd64ba$4cf0b330$e6d21990$@com> Message-ID: <9225F52C-0922-4928-AFE0-87F0CF849BF0@virgin.net> Oh Iike that car .... Sent from my iPhone On 18 Jul 2012, at 08:52, "MadMarx" wrote: > Hi Steve, > > we are required also paint but unfortunately we didn't say it has to be on the > outside of the car. > At his car all parts are glossy painted from inside. Drivers compartment, > engine room, frame and trunk looks like on a concour car. > > Have a look: > http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5800.jpg > http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5803.jpg > http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5802.jpg > > The car has so many nice details like the illuminated skull or the sticker. > In race 1 + 2 I was beaten by "Genuine stolen parts" which one of the stickers > shows. :-) > > The rat racer turns out to be peoples darling and always crowds build up > around this car because of the quality how the "rust" is presented. > > But we allow only ONE car in this manner. > > > Cheers > Chris > > -----UrsprC Von: steve [mailto:colordog.1 at earthlink.net] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2012 05:34 > An: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 > > You were clearly faster than that rust-bucket TR250. That guy was all over > the track, blocking and weaving. > Congrats on the win, and what an amazing track! > > In our race club, paint is required on all vehicles. > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 06:22:05 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 08:22:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 In-Reply-To: <9225F52C-0922-4928-AFE0-87F0CF849BF0@virgin.net> References: <11561700.1342582425033.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <001501cd64ba$4cf0b330$e6d21990$@com> <9225F52C-0922-4928-AFE0-87F0CF849BF0@virgin.net> Message-ID: Boy, that looks worse than than the Lemons racers cars that we have in the states ! Nice tires and wheels though ! On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 4:18 AM, TR4 Tony wrote: > Oh Iike that car .... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 18 Jul 2012, at 08:52, "MadMarx" wrote: > > > Hi Steve, > > > > we are required also paint but unfortunately we didn't say it has to be > on > the > > outside of the car. > > At his car all parts are glossy painted from inside. Drivers compartment, > > engine room, frame and trunk looks like on a concour car. > > > > Have a look: > > http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5800.jpg > > http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5803.jpg > > http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff80/HarryHotspurs/CIMG5802.jpg > > > > The car has so many nice details like the illuminated skull or the > sticker. > > In race 1 + 2 I was beaten by "Genuine stolen parts" which one of the > stickers > > shows. :-) > > > > The rat racer turns out to be peoples darling and always crowds build up > > around this car because of the quality how the "rust" is presented. > > > > But we allow only ONE car in this manner. > > > > > > Cheers > > Chris > > > > -----UrsprC > Von: steve [mailto:colordog.1 at earthlink.net] > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2012 05:34 > > An: MadMarx; fot at autox.team.net > > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Assen Triumph Competition - Race 3 > > > > You were clearly faster than that rust-bucket TR250. That guy was all > over > > the track, blocking and weaving. > > Congrats on the win, and what an amazing track! > > > > In our race club, paint is required on all vehicles. > > > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 18 07:03:12 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale Message-ID: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> A M I C I I need your help. My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the past two years. There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add ...and no sale to date. Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? Any suggestions? Thanks Dennis From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Jul 18 08:50:49 2012 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:50:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> The other two TR4's listed along with yours have been on for a long time as well and they are only slighly cheaper. I listed a Datsun 2000 for 24K a few years back and had thousands of views with only a couple of lame inquiries. I ended up selling at 16K and it was in beautiful and race ready condition. You can continue to wait it out or drop the price until the calls start to come in. Bob ---- Dennis DeLap wrote: > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the > past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add > ...and no sale > to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com From sjanzen at me.com Wed Jul 18 09:02:09 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:02:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> References: <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> Message-ID: You might try Bring-a-Trailer or figuring out how to list it for European sale. Always seems to me that pricing is higher in the UK, though perhaps not for a LHD car. On Jul 18, 2012, at 10:50 AM, rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com wrote: The other two TR4's listed along with yours have been on for a long time as well and they are only slighly cheaper. I listed a Datsun 2000 for 24K a few years back and had thousands of views with only a couple of lame inquiries. I ended up selling at 16K and it was in beautiful and race ready condition. You can continue to wait it out or drop the price until the calls start to come in. Bob ---- Dennis DeLap wrote: > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the > past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add > ...and no sale > to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Jul 18 09:19:12 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:19:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> Message-ID: <002101cd64f8$afd8a410$0f89ec30$@rogers.com> Perhaps advertise other places such as the forums for race organizations, ones for TR4s, VTR site, and perhaps UK Triumph sites . I have sold street Triumphs TR8s that went to Belgium and Norway from Canada. I put an ad up on a local internet site, Kijiji.ca and went on forums and sites and posted links to the local Kijiji ad. You would be surprised how it gets around when you do that. Advertising on the race car sites I would think provides too many comparisons and leads to other cars, thus diluting the effect of your ad. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sent: July 18, 2012 10:51 AM To: Dennis DeLap; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale The other two TR4's listed along with yours have been on for a long time as well and they are only slighly cheaper. I listed a Datsun 2000 for 24K a few years back and had thousands of views with only a couple of lame inquiries. I ended up selling at 16K and it was in beautiful and race ready condition. You can continue to wait it out or drop the price until the calls start to come in. Bob ---- Dennis DeLap wrote: > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add ...and no sale to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Jul 18 09:22:32 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:22:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <002101cd64f8$afd8a410$0f89ec30$@rogers.com> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> <002101cd64f8$afd8a410$0f89ec30$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <002201cd64f9$275a8350$760f89f0$@rogers.com> Another way to get good coverage is to write an article on the car for VTR and other Triumph clubs especially those that cater to TR4s, they are usually looking for articles and it builds interest in the uniqueness of your car -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: July 18, 2012 11:19 AM To: 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale Perhaps advertise other places such as the forums for race organizations, ones for TR4s, VTR site, and perhaps UK Triumph sites . I have sold street Triumphs TR8s that went to Belgium and Norway from Canada. I put an ad up on a local internet site, Kijiji.ca and went on forums and sites and posted links to the local Kijiji ad. You would be surprised how it gets around when you do that. Advertising on the race car sites I would think provides too many comparisons and leads to other cars, thus diluting the effect of your ad. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Sent: July 18, 2012 10:51 AM To: Dennis DeLap; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale The other two TR4's listed along with yours have been on for a long time as well and they are only slighly cheaper. I listed a Datsun 2000 for 24K a few years back and had thousands of views with only a couple of lame inquiries. I ended up selling at 16K and it was in beautiful and race ready condition. You can continue to wait it out or drop the price until the calls start to come in. Bob ---- Dennis DeLap wrote: > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add ...and no sale to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Wed Jul 18 11:02:03 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:02:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A43B6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Dennis; Your car looks great & well prepared. But it appears your price is too high, particularly considering the engine has seven race weekends on it. Also, cars that were raced back in the day are worth more than those built to be vintage racers, in other words your car has no vintage race provenance. That does matter to many vintage racers. My neighbor is a dealer, and has always told me that if the phone doesn't ring it's because the price is too high. I have found that to be dead on accurate advice. You're dealing with an extremely small target market, selling a fairly big ticket item basically sight unseen. Forget what you've got into the car. Find what other TR4's are actually selling for (NOT asking price). Lower the price until the phone rings. Ed -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dennis DeLap Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:03 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale A M I C I I need your help. My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the past two years. There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add ...and no sale to date. Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? Any suggestions? Thanks Dennis _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 11:28:43 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:28:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A43B6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A43B6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: Dennis, the car is nice and well prepaired....but the economy is bad and from what I see and hear that things are going to get worse, people right now are holding their money and only a small group are spending it on race cars.Be patient, someone out of the country may be interested. A guy here in town had the same feeling and someone over seas bought his TR-4 and shipped it out of our port. On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Dennis; > > Your car looks great & well prepared. But it appears your price is too > high, > particularly considering the engine has seven race weekends on it. Also, > cars > that were raced back in the day are worth more than those built to be > vintage > racers, in other words your car has no vintage race provenance. That does > matter to many vintage racers. My neighbor is a dealer, and has always > told > me that if the phone doesn't ring it's because the price is too high. I > have > found that to be dead on accurate advice. You're dealing with an extremely > small target market, selling a fairly big ticket item basically sight > unseen. > Forget what you've got into the car. Find what other TR4's are actually > selling for (NOT asking price). Lower the price until the phone rings. > > Ed > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf > Of Dennis DeLap > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:03 AM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the > past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add > ...and no sale > to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From budscars at comcast.net Wed Jul 18 11:41:31 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:41:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A43B6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <34CF9D24C5594E8EB925153CF21E965F@Bud> Just to butt in a bit.....I'm proud of the fact that my Spitfire has been a race car(SCCA and then vintage) since the early 1970s(except when it was abandoned and then rescued)....When I look at my little Spitfire I see and feel history...racing history that has carried on through my most recent race(2011)... So..it's about me and my car..that special relationship that goes beyond $$. Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Dunn" To: "Dennis DeLap" ; "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > Dennis; > > Your car looks great & well prepared. But it appears your price is too > high, > particularly considering the engine has seven race weekends on it. Also, > cars > that were raced back in the day are worth more than those built to be > vintage > racers, in other words your car has no vintage race provenance. That does > matter to many vintage racers. My neighbor is a dealer, and has always > told > me that if the phone doesn't ring it's because the price is too high. I > have > found that to be dead on accurate advice. You're dealing with an > extremely > small target market, selling a fairly big ticket item basically sight > unseen. > Forget what you've got into the car. Find what other TR4's are actually > selling for (NOT asking price). Lower the price until the phone rings. > > Ed > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf > Of Dennis DeLap > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 6:03 AM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the > past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add > ...and no sale > to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From dlhogye at comcast.net Wed Jul 18 17:54:29 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Circlips needed for Hepolite Powermax Message-ID: <1167204350.74082.1342655669066.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello all, Thinking that circlips are never reused, I tossed some after engine disassembly. Now I find that the round wire type are not easy to come by. Does anyone happen to have a stash of .0625" round wire circlips for 87mm. Hepolite Powermax pistons? Or a source for them? I'd certainly prefer to use a fresh set if possible. btw, the few that I have actually measured closer to .064" and both ends are curled. Thanks, Dave H. From igofaster at att.net Wed Jul 18 19:43:21 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 18:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1342662201.96642.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> in the pawnshop business (or any business) ... if you have an inventory problem you have a pricing problem... like, 100 guitars that don't sell (priced too high) or 100 guitars that sold out in a short period (priced too low)... $28,000.00 seems high even for a nice concours TR4.... IMHO... if the car has documented race history with notables... then.... maybe... Triumph(s) owner and Pawn Star of CVAR.... Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: Dennis DeLap To: FOT Sent: Wed, July 18, 2012 8:03:24 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale A M I C I I need your help. My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the past two years. There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add ...and no sale to date. Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? Any suggestions? Thanks Dennis _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From spitlist at cox.net Wed Jul 18 20:48:11 2012 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:48:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire tires Message-ID: It appears that sticky sport radial road tires in 13" sizes suitable for use on Spitfires are getting rare these days. Does anyone have any suggestions of which tires are still available? Thanks, Joe Curry From robertten1 at aol.com Wed Jul 18 21:23:39 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire tires In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF337506413AB5-1AC4-1DB1B@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> Toyo R888 tires, I use them ... great in dry and wet. Difference between these and slicks is that they talk in the turns where slicks talk when beyond their limit. Bob T '64 Spit GT autocrosser -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry To: 'fot' Sent: Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:48 pm Subject: [Fot] Spitfire tires It appears that sticky sport radial road tires in 13" sizes suitable for use on Spitfires are getting rare these days. Does anyone have any suggestions of which tires are still available? Thanks, Joe Curry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Jul 19 07:20:49 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:20:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <1342662201.96642.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1342662201.96642.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just to add a little to this , as for my car I feel like the car is part of me also and would be hard to part with it, but for the selling point I have taken and aquired alot of racing photos of the car for resale when I get to old to drive it, my kids are all girls and to turn the car over to them when I pass away would be like crushing the car because they wouldn't know what to do with it or could keep it up or running good. This is when I will sell and all the documentation and photos would be a plus to the buyer and they can see what the history and the tracks the car has run at. I think the price is good. It is the younger crowd as we grow older may want something else more to their time in life, I am surprised at some of the younger crwd wanting the 60's and 70's muscle cars so we may be in luck yet ! On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > in the pawnshop business (or any business) ... if you have an inventory > problem > you have a pricing problem... like, 100 guitars that don't sell (priced > too > high) or 100 guitars that sold out in a short period (priced too low)... > > $28,000.00 seems high even for a nice concours TR4.... IMHO... > > if the car has documented race history with notables... then.... maybe... > > Triumph(s) owner and Pawn Star of CVAR.... Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Dennis DeLap > To: FOT > Sent: Wed, July 18, 2012 8:03:24 AM > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the > past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add > ...and no sale > to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jul 19 10:03:35 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] CALIFORNIA AIR SHIPPING STATUS Message-ID: <8CF33DF2F4B9123-1EA8-282E0@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com> FOT: All available DVDs have been shipped this week against the orders. More CALIFORNIA AIR DVDs are due from the UK next Monday and will be assembled, packaged, and shipped by the end of next week. (I will in OSHKOSH for EAA's AIRVENTURE until Wednesday) John Clancy has produced other DVDs on Triumphs. I find his work remarkable and plan to add them to my collection. Regards, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Jul 19 12:03:14 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Free Parts Message-ID: <1163314356.114058.1342720994323.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hello: I have two, 1.75" SU carburetor domes, pistons and springs plus two turn signal assemblies (rubber socket, bulb plate, lens and chrome ring) all off my TR4. All items are in good condition. These are free for the asking plus cost of shipping. Contact me offline. Gary From mmoore at wave1.net Thu Jul 19 12:09:40 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:09:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil Message-ID: <007401cd65d9$aae315d0$00a94170$@net> I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a higher concentration of zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Jul 19 12:11:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 14:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Order Info Again CALIFORNIA AIR In-Reply-To: References: , <8CF2E6A54C4F4E6-D18-80227@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com>, , <8CF2E6F6EA045E6-D18-80A9A@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com>, , <8CF2E748E3293C0-D18-814D8@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com>, , <8CF2E82978E02B0-8D0-817D6@webmail-m073.sysops.aol.com> , <8CF310864BE0B4C-1EF4-A52A9@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF33F11BC71C4E-1EA8-2BB15@webmail-d012.sysops.aol.com> FOT I posted shipping status and got a bunch of new inquiries: Once again............. $28 PAYPAL n197tr4 at cs.com or check ARE 645 1ST STREET JESUP, IOWA 50548 YOUTUBE LINK BELOW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twWHfzI8oiw 25 more are coming from the UK, but at this rate they will not last long. If you have certain plans to order, please do so. We have an assembly operation set up and wish to do efficiently. If we need to order more, we can do right away and be done with it for awhile. Thanks....I will be looking forward to hearing the reviews as California Air is received and played. I suspect the impressions will be the same as mine. I think it is an important historical documentary and the reason that the FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH exists today. Then add the amazing footage at Road Atlanta from THE MITTY and you have a high form of entertainment. Joe A. From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Thu Jul 19 12:31:12 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:31:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1342662201.96642.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A43EF@TITAN.dwholdings.local> With any luck, you'll end up with decent son in laws, one who might want to race the car. If there any guys on scene now, why not get them started racing and see your car being enjoyed? Don't assume your girls won't want to race either. My wife loves racing, and our grown daughter is getting interested. Ed -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Deanes Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:21 AM To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale Just to add a little to this , as for my car I feel like the car is part of me also and would be hard to part with it, but for the selling point I have taken and aquired alot of racing photos of the car for resale when I get to old to drive it, my kids are all girls and to turn the car over to them when I pass away would be like crushing the car because they wouldn't know what to do with it or could keep it up or running good. This is when I will sell and all the documentation and photos would be a plus to the buyer and they can see what the history and the tracks the car has run at. I think the price is good. It is the younger crowd as we grow older may want something else more to their time in life, I am surprised at some of the younger crwd wanting the 60's and 70's muscle cars so we may be in luck yet ! On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > in the pawnshop business (or any business) ... if you have an inventory > problem > you have a pricing problem... like, 100 guitars that don't sell (priced > too > high) or 100 guitars that sold out in a short period (priced too low)... > > $28,000.00 seems high even for a nice concours TR4.... IMHO... > > if the car has documented race history with notables... then.... maybe... > > Triumph(s) owner and Pawn Star of CVAR.... Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Dennis DeLap > To: FOT > Sent: Wed, July 18, 2012 8:03:24 AM > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the > past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add > ...and no sale > to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From vintage.racer at comcast.net Thu Jul 19 13:10:35 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:10:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Free parts Message-ID: The SU parts and turn signals are spoken for. Gary Sent from my iPad From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Jul 19 13:14:49 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:14:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil References: <007401cd65d9$aae315d0$00a94170$@net> Message-ID: <9E6686275A9445BCA5539AEC39EDA6AD@owner8914bbf7f> I use, and have been for years, a product that already has ZDDP in it. It's called STP. Check the can for ingredients.. A friend who's been racing since '66 swears by it. I run 20-50 Valvoline Racing oil with STP. Doing OK so far. ZDDPlus couldn't hurt either. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:09 PM Subject: [Fot] Oil >I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a higher concentration of > zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Thu Jul 19 13:28:30 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:28:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Racing license References: <002201cd6416$f53546e0$df9fd4a0$@net> Message-ID: Mike, first off, consider which vintage bunch, or bunches, you want to run with. Then contact the organization, or check their website, and see whose schools they accept. Some will accept the Mid Ohio school, SCCA, Skip Barbour, Bondurant, etc. One of the best, for my $, is the VSCDA's Spring Brake, held at Gingerman in early May. Great school, great track, and a good bunch of folks. I think Duck Waddle is still instructing there. I belong to SVRA, because their license is accepted anywhere. Also VRG, 'cause they are a good bunch. SVRA will want newbies, no matter whose license you have, to take a Track Orientation Program for every track. Ain't cheap but one of the instructors is Peter Krause; he's good. Talk to you later, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Moore" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 8:23 AM Subject: [Fot] Racing license >I bought Gary Horstkorta's TR4 from California and brought it home a few > weeks ago. > > > > I need some advice on getting my license. I live in Erie, PA so I am 3-4 > hours from Mid-Ohio and Watkins Glen. > > > > Do I go through SVRA or another vintage organization? What driving school > should I use (Barber, Mid-Ohio, etc). > > > > Basically not sure where to start. > > > > I have been running HPDE days for 2 years now, so I am ready for next > step. > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From garygret at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 19 13:42:37 2012 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A43EF@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1342662201.96642.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A43EF@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <1342726957.42257.YahooMailNeo@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There are at least ten women racing in Midwestern Council including my wife. One's a lead instructor, two are 18-year-old second-gen racers. MC has a Big Wheel race for the kiddies each year and a number of Big Wheelers have become racers a dozen years later. Get 'em while they're young :-) Gary Schneider >________________________________ > From: Edward Dunn >To: Robert Deanes >Cc: FoT Triumph >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:31 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > >With any luck, you'll end up with decent son in laws, one who might want to >race the car. If there any guys on scene now, why not get them started racing >and see your car being enjoyed? Don't assume your girls won't want to race >either. My wife loves racing, and our grown daughter is getting interested. > >Ed > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf >Of Robert Deanes >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:21 AM >To: Bobby Whitehead >Cc: FoT Triumph >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > >Just to add a little to this , as for my car I feel like the car is part of >me also and would be hard to part with it, but for the selling point I have >taken and aquired alot of racing photos of the car for resale when I get to >old to drive it, my kids are all girls and to turn the car over to them >when I pass away would be like crushing the car because they wouldn't know >what to do with it or could keep it up or running good. This is when I will >sell and all the documentation and photos would be a plus to the buyer and >they can see what the history and the tracks the car has run at. I think >the price is good. >It is the younger crowd as we grow older may want something else more to >their time in life, I am surprised at some of the younger crwd wanting the >60's and 70's muscle cars so we may be in luck yet ! > >On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> in the pawnshop business (or any business) ... if you have an inventory >> problem >> you have a pricing problem... like, 100 guitars that don't sell (priced >> too >> high) or 100 guitars that sold out in a short period (priced too low)... >> >> $28,000.00 seems high even for a nice concours TR4.... IMHO... >> >> if the car has documented race history with notables... then.... maybe... >> >> Triumph(s) owner and Pawn Star of CVAR.... Bobby Whitehead >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Dennis DeLap >> To: FOT >> Sent: Wed, July 18, 2012 8:03:24 AM >> Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale >> >> A M I C I >> >> I need your help. >> My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the >> past two years. >> There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add >> ...and no sale >> to date. >> Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? >> >> Any suggestions? >> Thanks >> Dennis >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com >> >> >> > > >-- >rob deanes >TR Racer >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/garygret at sbcglobal.net From tedtsimx at bright.net Thu Jul 19 14:46:09 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:46:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] part needed Message-ID: <50087211.2070406@bright.net> Hello list. Looking for an ADDCO rear sway bar for aTR4. Any help is appreciated. Thanks,Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Thu Jul 19 16:23:25 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil In-Reply-To: <9E6686275A9445BCA5539AEC39EDA6AD@owner8914bbf7f> Message-ID: <1342736605.88344.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Brad Penn The green oil Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Thu, 7/19/12, william r tobin wrote: > From: william r tobin > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil > To: "Mike Moore" , fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:14 PM > I use, and have been for years, a > product that already has ZDDP in it. It's > called STP. Check the can for ingredients.. > A friend who's been racing since '66 swears by it. > I run 20-50 Valvoline Racing oil with STP. Doing OK so far. > ZDDPlus couldn't hurt either. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Moore" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:09 PM > Subject: [Fot] Oil > > > >I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a > higher concentration of > > zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Thu Jul 19 18:01:02 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:01:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil In-Reply-To: <1342736605.88344.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1342736605.88344.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I was given similar advice at my first race event regarding the STP. I changed out the oil I was running for Castrol GTX 20/50 plus the STP and it made a big difference in my oil pressure. Same thing I used to run as a kid and I should have stuck to it I guess. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-19, at 6:30 PM, "Guy Morter" wrote: > Brad Penn The green oil > Guy Morter > Vintage Auto Service > 262 573 4511 > > Flatheads Forever! > > > --- On Thu, 7/19/12, william r tobin wrote: > >> From: william r tobin >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil >> To: "Mike Moore" , fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:14 PM >> I use, and have been for years, a >> product that already has ZDDP in it. It's >> called STP. Check the can for ingredients.. >> A friend who's been racing since '66 swears by it. >> I run 20-50 Valvoline Racing oil with STP. Doing OK so far. >> ZDDPlus couldn't hurt either. >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mike Moore" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:09 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Oil >> >> >>> I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a >> higher concentration of >>> zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>> >>> 2007 West 32nd Street >>> >>> Erie, PA 16508 >>> >>> >>> >>> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >>> >>> Fax: 814-864-7383 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Jul 19 18:34:09 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:34:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil In-Reply-To: References: <1342736605.88344.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6F62CFB9-E0C6-41C7-A778-E6C55F30086B@austin.rr.com> Not all STP had ZDDP, be careful as there are two types. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2012, at 7:01 PM, Vince G wrote: > I was given similar advice at my first race event regarding the STP. I changed > out the oil I was running for Castrol GTX 20/50 plus the STP and it made a big > difference in my oil pressure. Same thing I used to run as a kid and I should > have stuck to it I guess. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-07-19, at 6:30 PM, "Guy Morter" wrote: > >> Brad Penn The green oil >> Guy Morter >> Vintage Auto Service >> 262 573 4511 >> >> Flatheads Forever! >> >> >> --- On Thu, 7/19/12, william r tobin wrote: >> >>> From: william r tobin >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil >>> To: "Mike Moore" , fot at autox.team.net >>> Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:14 PM >>> I use, and have been for years, a >>> product that already has ZDDP in it. It's >>> called STP. Check the can for ingredients.. >>> A friend who's been racing since '66 swears by it. >>> I run 20-50 Valvoline Racing oil with STP. Doing OK so far. >>> ZDDPlus couldn't hurt either. >>> Bill >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mike Moore" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:09 PM >>> Subject: [Fot] Oil >>> >>> >>>> I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a >>> higher concentration of >>>> zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Michael T. Moore, CPA >>>> >>>> 2007 West 32nd Street >>>> >>>> Erie, PA 16508 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >>>> >>>> Fax: 814-864-7383 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Jul 19 21:13:16 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:13:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil In-Reply-To: <007401cd65d9$aae315d0$00a94170$@net> References: <007401cd65d9$aae315d0$00a94170$@net> Message-ID: VR-1 should have sufficient ZDDP as is. However I do add a bit of GM's EOS to it. The VR-1 has more ZDDP than oil normally did before they cut the amount down and our cams started going away. Tony At 01:09 PM 7/19/2012, you wrote: >I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a higher concentration of >zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? > > > >Thanks > >Mike > > > >Michael T. Moore, CPA > >2007 West 32nd Street > >Erie, PA 16508 > > > >Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > >Fax: 814-864-7383 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From mnewman at embarqmail.com Fri Jul 20 07:42:57 2012 From: mnewman at embarqmail.com (William T newman) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire tires In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <784005494.143995.1342791777759.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> I have had success with Sumitomo HTR 200 in Size 215/50 R1 as a great street tire or racing rain. It appears that Tire Rack no longer carries them, but it would be worth looking around to see if someone else has them. Bill Newman ----- Original Message ----- It appears that sticky sport radial road tires in 13" sizes suitable for use on Spitfires are getting rare these days. Does anyone have any suggestions of which tires are still available? Thanks, Joe Curry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mnewman at embarqmail.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jul 20 08:29:05 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:29:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Oil In-Reply-To: <1342736605.88344.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <9E6686275A9445BCA5539AEC39EDA6AD@owner8914bbf7f> <1342736605.88344.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B257B927A1B45719C6C255A21D93A46@gdhs.local> 10 - 4 on the Brad Penn John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Guy Morter Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:23 PM To: Mike Moore; fot at autox.team.net; william r tobin Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Brad Penn The green oil Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! --- On Thu, 7/19/12, william r tobin wrote: > From: william r tobin > Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil > To: "Mike Moore" , fot at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, July 19, 2012, 7:14 PM I use, and have been for years, > a product that already has ZDDP in it. It's called STP. Check the can > for ingredients.. > A friend who's been racing since '66 swears by it. > I run 20-50 Valvoline Racing oil with STP. Doing OK so far. > ZDDPlus couldn't hurt either. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Moore" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:09 PM > Subject: [Fot] Oil > > > >I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a > higher concentration of > > zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.ne > > t > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Jul 20 08:32:38 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:32:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire tires In-Reply-To: <784005494.143995.1342791777759.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> References: <784005494.143995.1342791777759.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: <0295A235C30F411E993A38207974D6A6@gdhs.local> I once ran a Jensen Healey and used 13" Avon tyres available from Sasco. I know they fit Genitta G4's. John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William T newman Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 9:43 AM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire tires I have had success with Sumitomo HTR 200 in Size 215/50 R1 as a great street tire or racing rain. It appears that Tire Rack no longer carries them, but it would be worth looking around to see if someone else has them. Bill Newman ----- Original Message ----- It appears that sticky sport radial road tires in 13" sizes suitable for use on Spitfires are getting rare these days. Does anyone have any suggestions of which tires are still available? Thanks, Joe Curry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mnewman at embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Jul 20 09:06:54 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... Message-ID: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> Amici... Revisiting this thread about modern engine oil and its lack of zinc, makes me think of rumors I've heard down through the years about adding a 'bit' of oil to the gasoline in our old sports cars. The way I've heard it is that back in the day, particularly the Brits (back in the old country) would add a 'bit' of engine oil to their petrol for lubricating purposes. Anyone else hear that...or do that? Bill Dentinger From riverside at southslope.net Fri Jul 20 09:14:36 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:14:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Oil In-Reply-To: <3B257B927A1B45719C6C255A21D93A46@gdhs.local> References: <9E6686275A9445BCA5539AEC39EDA6AD@owner8914bbf7f><1342736605.88344.YahooMailClassic@web162202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <3B257B927A1B45719C6C255A21D93A46@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <7F52910516514F60948D3D27F4C77B81@rileyPC> I am a Brad Penn dealer. I really like it. Ran it in an Alfa at a chump car race. After 5 hours, it was like new. It is the old Kendall GT1 art de armond -----Original Message----- From: john hasty Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 9:29 AM To: 'Guy Morter' ; 'Mike Moore' ; fot at autox.team.net ; 'william r tobin' Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil 10 - 4 on the Brad Penn John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. 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It's called STP. Check the can > for ingredients.. > A friend who's been racing since '66 swears by it. > I run 20-50 Valvoline Racing oil with STP. Doing OK so far. > ZDDPlus couldn't hurt either. > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Moore" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:09 PM > Subject: [Fot] Oil > > > >I am using Valvoline VR-1 Racing oil since it has a > higher concentration of > > zinc. Should I also be adding a zinc additive? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.ne > > t > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vintageautoservice at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5142 - Release Date: 07/19/12 From klynch_6 at msn.com Fri Jul 20 09:31:09 2012 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:31:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] RMVR's warm Charity Race Message-ID: Despite heavy hearts re; what happened early this morning, Chris's Spitfire, Jim Roelof & Jim Gray, Dan Forgey ? TR4s'. The 'Subprime Vintage Race' GT-6 & I will be out flailing away as well, in the triple digits for our Cancer fund-raising @ High Plains Raceway - http://rmvr.com/race-against-kids-cancer-2/ Kevin From budscars at comcast.net Fri Jul 20 10:09:07 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:09:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... References: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> Message-ID: <564D784B16A34B75BA36D07FE78A1FAB@Bud> try a litle Castor oil in the gas...in the old days it helped lube the SU carbs...and gave the car that distinct 'Race car aroma' Racer Bud..Spitfire # 21 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 8:06 AM Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... > Amici... > > Revisiting this thread about modern engine oil and its lack of zinc, makes > me think of rumors I've heard down through the years about adding a 'bit' > of > oil to the gasoline in our old sports cars. The way I've heard it is that > back in the day, particularly the Brits (back in the old country) would > add > a 'bit' of engine oil to their petrol for lubricating purposes. Anyone > else > hear that...or do that? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 20 10:15:47 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction In-Reply-To: <002101cd64f8$afd8a410$0f89ec30$@rogers.com> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> <002101cd64f8$afd8a410$0f89ec30$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <1342800947.43568.YahooMailRC@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Come on guys - there must be someone out there in FOT land who could turn a profit with this car. Let's have an auction right here, right now. Do I here $16k? D ---- Dennis DeLap wrote: > A M I C I > > I need your help. > My TR4 has been listed on race-cars.com for the past two years. > There have been over 19,000 viewings of my add ...and no sale to date. > Is $27,000 just too much for a Triumph? > > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jul 20 10:25:32 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... In-Reply-To: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> References: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF34AB6AD3C56D-7D0-4D52@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> We had a gas pump at the shop and I would use the shop oil container used for pouring oil into tractor engine. It always had residual oil in it when I filled the lawnmower. Dad said, "it wont hurt a thing, and might be useful". That's what my dad said, anyway. You'd think that gas pump would have been useful during HS years, but it wasnt. But that's another story. Joe Alexander From list at mackenzie.aero Fri Jul 20 10:55:50 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:55:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire tires In-Reply-To: <784005494.143995.1342791777759.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> References: <784005494.143995.1342791777759.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: <001301cd6698$84bb4520$8e31cf60$@aero> I am going through this as I need to procure a set of tyres for a GT6 I just bought for my wife. Good 13 inch street tyres are getting very hard to find no that the HTR200 is out of production. The only thing they make now in a 13 is the T4 which in a mini-van tyre. I have HTR200s (185/60-13) on my street Spit 1500 and a set of 155/50/13s for rain and autocross use. The best choice I can find is 175/70-13s with a choice of either Michelin or General. The Michelin Defender is a new tyre and has no reviews but I have always had good experience with Michelin. However at $84 each they are pricy. Country of origin: Mexico The General Altimax RT gets great reviews and at $50 each is priced right. They are made in Mexico or Brazil (Is it too much to ask to buy a tyre made here?) I will most likely order the Generals unless somebody else can suggest a better option. On another note if you are looking for 13 inch slicks for race/track day/autoX I have been buying sets very cheaply off e-bay. Just do a search for "usdrrt 13". For example he has sets of 4 Hoosier 21.5x8-13 slicks for $99 with free shipping. Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '79 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William T newman Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 8:43 AM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire tires I have had success with Sumitomo HTR 200 in Size 215/50 R1 as a great street tire or racing rain. It appears that Tire Rack no longer carries them, but it would be worth looking around to see if someone else has them. Bill Newman ----- Original Message ----- It appears that sticky sport radial road tires in 13" sizes suitable for use on Spitfires are getting rare these days. Does anyone have any suggestions of which tires are still available? Thanks, Joe Curry _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mnewman at embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Jul 20 11:22:20 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:22:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... In-Reply-To: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> References: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> Message-ID: <038c01cd669c$38a6a8b0$a9f3fa10$@rr.com> > Anyone else > hear that...or do that? I run "upper cylinder lubricant" in my street TR3. Based on several more recent stories (including a local club member who had new rings "go away" in under 10k miles in his street TR4), I add 4 ounces of "TC-W3" 2-cycle oil to each tank of fuel, along with one ounce of Red Line lead substitute (added after I started noticing valve seat recession). Can't prove that it helps, but the engine did start idling faster during the first tank (which might have been something else, not sure), and my fuel mileage seems to be creeping up. For the moment anyway, seems like cheap insurance. FWIW the lead substitute also stopped the valve recession. 6 months after starting to add it in each tank, the exhaust valves were still right on the money. BTW, Triumph also suggested using upper cylinder lube in the TR2-3 owner's manual. -- Randall From tjwakeman at gmail.com Fri Jul 20 11:48:12 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:48:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... In-Reply-To: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> References: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> Message-ID: <500999DC.3000605@gmail.com> On 7/20/12 8:06 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Amici... > > Revisiting this thread about modern engine oil and its lack of zinc, makes > me think of rumors I've heard down through the years about adding a 'bit' of > oil to the gasoline in our old sports cars. . I tend to use Marvel Mystery oil in the fuel tank when I head out on long trips. Maybe I should just use it all the time in the hopes it reduces wear on those short trips where the engine may not completely heat up and burn away contaminates. TeriAnn From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Jul 20 11:52:10 2012 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:52:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire tires In-Reply-To: <001301cd6698$84bb4520$8e31cf60$@aero> References: <784005494.143995.1342791777759.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com> <001301cd6698$84bb4520$8e31cf60$@aero> Message-ID: <039101cd66a0$6347e8f0$29d7bad0$@rr.com> > The best choice I can find is 175/70-13s with a choice of either > Michelin or > General. Looks like they still have a few Bridgestone Potenzas available in 165/65-13. If you order quick, you might be able to get a set. http://goo.gl/1eh2s -- Randall From stutzmans at comcast.net Fri Jul 20 19:38:25 2012 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:38:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... In-Reply-To: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> References: <51cd.22f322a9.3d3ace0e@aol.com> Message-ID: <7AA35E976FF54D7CBD2DB60D2A1263CA@ComputerPC> Some of us are adding a bit of engine oil to the petrol thru the rings and/or valve guides. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 11:06 AM Subject: [Fot] Engine Oil revisited... > Amici... > > Revisiting this thread about modern engine oil and its lack of zinc, makes > me think of rumors I've heard down through the years about adding a 'bit' > of > oil to the gasoline in our old sports cars. The way I've heard it is that > back in the day, particularly the Brits (back in the old country) would > add > a 'bit' of engine oil to their petrol for lubricating purposes. Anyone > else > hear that...or do that? > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From robertten1 at aol.com Fri Jul 20 19:46:17 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Tires Message-ID: <8CF34F9C103E9DE-11EC-FCDA@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> The Toyo R888's 185/60x13 are available from TIRE RACK . Good price too Just to update, Bob T From vangoughv at hotmail.com Fri Jul 20 20:08:14 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 22:08:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Tires In-Reply-To: <8CF34F9C103E9DE-11EC-FCDA@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF34F9C103E9DE-11EC-FCDA@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: If you guys were closer I might consider parting with a set of sumo 205/60-13s. I bought 3 sets last year as they were phasing them out. Good for my race GT6 but a bit wide on my street GT6. I see NEXEN has 185/60-13s Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-20, at 9:51 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > The Toyo R888's 185/60x13 are available from TIRE RACK . Good price too > > > Just to update, > Bob T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 21 06:40:59 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 07:40:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFDF16@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <1342616592.69710.YahooMailRC@web185005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> <002101cd64f8$afd8a410$0f89ec30$@rogers.com> <1342800947.43568.YahooMailRC@web185004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402FFDF16@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <5A38A18A-F657-4F84-815C-5FFDF9926214@sbcglobal.net> A M I C I No bids yet. I am ending the auction. Thanks for all of your comments. Dennis From jkhagen at charter.net Sat Jul 21 09:10:50 2012 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction Message-ID: <2ea34f41.17e8dd.138aa174ee6.Webtop.45@charter.net> AMICI/Dennis, I have had my TR-4 up for sale at Atlanta and RA--very few responses. $17,500 John Hagen TR-4 /TVR On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Dennis Delap wrote: > A M I C I > No bids yet. > I am ending the auction. > Thanks for all of your comments. > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Jul 21 09:50:46 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:50:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <1341888803.14091.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1341888803.14091.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <500ACFD6.5000503@pobox.com> :Low pressure gauges are available at http://www.gaugestore.com/. Look at the Wika low pressure gauges. A 0 - 5 psi gauges should work nicely. On 7/9/2012 9:53 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Has anyone been able to find a gauge that reads 0-5 psi? I have > looked all over, including aircraft supply places, with no luck. > > -Ed- From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jul 21 10:00:27 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction In-Reply-To: <2ea34f41.17e8dd.138aa174ee6.Webtop.45@charter.net> References: <2ea34f41.17e8dd.138aa174ee6.Webtop.45@charter.net> Message-ID: <8CF357113F79E10-638-13492@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> as someone said, without provenance..... however, in the last 20 years the image of the TRIUMPH has come up and brought the value with it. i'd like to think that the FOT has been a large part of that. i am likely a bit too sensitive, but recent column on the MITTY didnt seem to present the TRIUMPH in it's best light. anyone else notice it? if not, then it is a non-issue. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: jkhagen To: Dennis Delap Cc: FOT Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:11 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction AMICI/Dennis, I have had my TR-4 up for sale at Atlanta and RA--very few responses. $17,500 John Hagen TR-4 /TVR On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Dennis Delap wrote: > A M I C I > No bids yet. > I am ending the auction. > Thanks for all of your comments. > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sat Jul 21 10:18:51 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 09:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <500ACFD6.5000503@pobox.com> Message-ID: <1342887531.44363.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Larry: Thanks Buddy, they really fill the bill. I guess I gave up too early figuring everyone wants 0-15 psi. There will be one on the BMW and the Champ car. -Ed- --- On Sat, 7/21/12, Larry Young wrote: From: Larry Young Subject: Re: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, July 21, 2012, 10:50 AM :Low pressure gauges are available at http://www.gaugestore.com/. Look at the Wika low pressure gauges. A 0 - 5 psi gauges should work nicely. On 7/9/2012 9:53 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Has anyone been able to find a gauge that reads 0-5 psi? I have > looked all over, including aircraft supply places, with no luck. > -Ed- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Jul 21 11:04:02 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 13:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] From Wheels to Wings AIRVENTURE @ OSHKOSH GLACIER GIRL Message-ID: <8CF3579F5F0CA43-638-14DCB@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> FOT Richard Taylor #196 TR4 will be at OSHKOSH to discuss his expeditions to repatriate a P-38 Lightning. He will be on the WARBIRDS flightline at 1:00PM on Monday afternoon for Q & A. He will be in a pavillion at 10:00AM on Tuesday morning giving a presentation. The P-38 Lightning, AKA "Glacier Girl" will be on display all week. Tim Murphy and I will be there.....anyone else? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Jul 21 12:12:25 2012 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 13:12:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Tires In-Reply-To: References: , <1342473156.34607.YahooMailClassic@web181404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <500AF109.1000600@pobox.com> In the 1990's a previous owner of my TR3 had a disc wheel fail. It turned into a roll bar test. On 7/16/2012 4:36 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Yes, I ran the wires as they were that 1/2" wider than the steel wheels. they > were a LOT heavier what with wire wheel adapter and knock-off hub. I would > probably have been faster with the discs but the wires looked very cool and > when you are in your 20's, cool is it!. Actually with the way I was always > pitching the car I doubt the steel disc would have lasted very long and the > spokes would break and give you a change to recover, but when disc breaks, you > are gone. > > Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:12:36 -0700 > From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > To: tarch at bellsouth.net; tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net; > kaskas at cox.net > > Kas: Am I coorrect in assuming that you used the wire wheels because they were > 1/2" wider than the stock steel wheels? Surely they must weigh the same, if > not a bit more tham steel wheels. > -Ed- > > --- On Mon, 7/16/12, Kas Kastner wrote: > > > From: Kas Kastner > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires > To: "Richard Taylor" , tony at tonydrews.com, "fot" > > Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 12:13 PM > > > When I was racing my TR-3 it was always with the 48 spoke wheels the others > were not allowed. I'd break two or three ever race and every prictice. Got > pretty good at replacing them quickly without dismounting the tires. It is > just not a big deal. Steet driving on 48 spokers? they'll probably last > another fifty years. It wasn't until I started using sticky recaps that I > had > the spoke problem. > > Never be beaten by equipment >> From: tarch at bellsouth.net >> To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 09:23:51 -0400 >> > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires >> Back in the mid 80's I vintage raced an Austin Healy 100-4 with Michelin X >> tires and 48 spoke wheels. The drifting was exciting but we lost a lot of >> time in the turns. When I switched to wider, stickier tires, the outside >> wheels quickly became 18 spoke wheels. >> >> My observation: better tires require more spokes. I couldn't resist the >> temptation so I switched to 72 spokes which performed flawlessly. >> >> And, of course, I drove the car to and from the track. >> >> Richard Taylor >> TR-4 #196 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team..net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Tony Drews >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:30 AM >> To: fot at autox.team..net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Tires >> >> If we're looking at 5.5" wide wheels, I doubt we're talking stock rims. >> >> Tony >> >> At 08:05 PM 7/15/2012, Terry Stetler wrote: >>> Is not the RA-1 a wide, "R compound" competition pseudo street tire? >> Hence >>> it won't fit the original narrow and semi fragile 48 spoke wire wheels >>> of a stock TR-2. >>> >>> We are talking a stock TR-2 here, yes? >>> >>> Terry Stetler. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cartravel at pobox.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sat Jul 21 12:41:14 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:41:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] fuel pressure regulator In-Reply-To: <500ACFD6.5000503@pobox.com> References: <1341888803.14091.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <500ACFD6.5000503@pobox.com> Message-ID: <500AF7CA.3090405@gmail.com> On 7/21/12 8:50 AM, Larry Young wrote: > :Low pressure gauges are available at http://www.gaugestore.com/. Look > at the Wika low pressure gauges. A 0 - 5 psi gauges should work nicely. Ummm these are for gas pressure. Have you verified that they are suited for automotive fuel? Just wondering as the lowest fuel pressure gauge I have found so far is 0-15 lb. TeriAnn > > > On 7/9/2012 9:53 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: >> Has anyone been able to find a gauge that reads 0-5 psi? I have >> looked all over, including aircraft supply places, with no luck. >> -Ed- From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Jul 21 13:17:22 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:17:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] From Wheels to Wings AIRVENTURE @ OSHKOSH GLACIER GIRL In-Reply-To: <8CF3579F5F0CA43-638-14DCB@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3579F5F0CA43-638-14DCB@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I wish I was going. Vintage aviation is a genuine passion of mine. I'll be at Thunder Over Michigan first weekend in August though... Terry Stetler From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Jul 21 15:26:38 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 15:26:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction Message-ID: <66q4ay6pcfbduwnb9kt9l1sm.1342904586792@email.android.com> Provanance! Eye of the beholder and Labors of love I've sold two TR race cars, both for my " cost ", which is defined as what I paid for the car plus the parts costs of the bonafide improvements. The first was the yellow TR3 now raced by B John Hasty. I paid $5500 for it and mostly kept it up while I raced, fixing some floor problems and rebuilding suspension. I sold it for $6000 after three years, to the guy who sold it to Larry Young two years later. Larry upgraded the car and increased its value, probably by the cost of the overdrive, the better suspension and the Southwick conversion. I bought a 5 grand TR4 and put in a Southwick, a new roll bar, alloy hubs, close ratio, etc and sold it for 12 large, which was my cost less labor with all that I had done.B I replaced that car with a car with real history, '67/68 Runoff's. I hope it is worth $25000, the some of its parts, but in todays market, with all the excess supply I'd doubt I could get it, but B I wouldnt sell it for less. If it didn't have the race history I probably would not have spent as much on paint or some of the parts. I think you can still build a servicable race car under ten grand, and although we all have our preferences, newbies are wanting B the lowest cost of entry. I think the higher priced cars, without provanance, are stuck in a tough spot. I wonder how Wayne Carini is doing with the $50000 Group 44 copy TR4? Way overpriced by my formulas. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab$Joe Alexander wrote:as someone said, without provenance..... however, in the last 20 years the image of the TRIUMPH has come up and brought the value with it. i'd like to think that the FOT has been a large part of that. i am likely a bit too sensitive, but recent column on the MITTY didnt seem to present the TRIUMPH in it's best light. anyone else notice it?B B if not, then it is a non-issue. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711B (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: jkhagen To: Dennis Delap Cc: FOT Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:11 am Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction AMICI/Dennis,B I have had my TR-4 up for sale at Atlanta and RA--very few responses.B $17,500B B John Hagen TR-4 /TVR On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Dennis Delap wrote: > A M I C I > No bids yet. > I am ending the auction. > Thanks for all of your comments. > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Jul 21 15:16:06 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction Message-ID: <1ea21.166eceb7.3d3c7616@aol.com> In a message dated 07/21/2012 3:28:01 PM Central Daylight Time, rkramer3 at austin.rr.com writes: > I wonder how Wayne Carini is doing with the $50000 Group 44 copy TR4? Way > overpriced by my formulas. > Not too well I suspect, although that race car is (and always was) a gorgeous car. I can't think of his name right now, but he was a Doctor from Mystic, Connecticut who owned it, had it built and vintage raced it some 20-25 years ago. Then in quick order, he had it For Sale for $40,000 +/- when he was going through a divorce. At the time, most TRIUMPH folks I knew felt, that while price may have represented his investment, more likely it was established because he really didn't want to sell it. I always felt (and have advised) those looking for a race car should seek the best car they can, and then negotiate a fair price and buy it. Especially those who are unable to do top shelf mechanical work themselves will never buy and clunker and then pay to have it converted into a competitive race car for what they can buy and race a ready race car. Bill Dentinger From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 21 15:18:33 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:18:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] From Wheels to Wings AIRVENTURE @ OSHKOSH GLACIER GIRL Message-ID: I just saw an ad for Thunder over Michigan last night. I'll be at Mid-Ohio for the ALMS race. Unfortunately, I have to stay for the Indycar race as well. Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad Terry Stetler wrote: >I wish I was going. Vintage aviation is a genuine passion of mine. > >I'll be at Thunder Over Michigan first weekend in August though... > >Terry Stetler >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Sat Jul 21 15:43:26 2012 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:43:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] From Wheels to Wings AIRVENTURE @ OSHKOSH GLACIER GIRL In-Reply-To: References: <8CF3579F5F0CA43-638-14DCB@webmail-m055.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <91C44732-1108-4E73-9D2E-8885063E6AA9@aol.com> I saw glacier girl in Reno a few years back and pictures and video of the heritage flight. Truly an awesome experience. Chris On Jul 21, 2012, at 3:17 PM, "Terry Stetler" wrote: > I wish I was going. Vintage aviation is a genuine passion of mine. > > I'll be at Thunder Over Michigan first weekend in August though... > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 21 15:49:45 2012 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:49:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spit Tires Message-ID: Until very recently Tire Rack did not offer the R888 at all. They're still high. "Tiresdirect.net" is the place to go for R-compound 185/60/13 @ a buck thirty! They shave and heat cycle. Bill Collins yellow #8(1) at the Mitty. Texas From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Sat Jul 21 17:04:13 2012 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:04:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction Message-ID: <13557197.1342911853741.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Dr. Bill Colom (sp?) was the original owner of the G44 copy. Lent us a front hub once. Came fully set with greased bearings and wrapped in clear plastic wrap. A very nice guy. Mike -----Original Message----- >From: BillDentin at aol.com >Sent: Jul 21, 2012 5:16 PM >To: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com, n197tr4 at cs.com, jkhagen at charter.net, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale/Auction > >In a message dated 07/21/2012 3:28:01 PM Central Daylight Time, >rkramer3 at austin.rr.com writes: > > >> I wonder how Wayne Carini is doing with the $50000 Group 44 copy TR4? Way >> overpriced by my formulas. >> > >Not too well I suspect, although that race car is (and always was) a >gorgeous car. I can't think of his name right now, but he was a Doctor from >Mystic, Connecticut who owned it, had it built and vintage raced it some 20-25 >years ago. Then in quick order, he had it For Sale for $40,000 +/- when he >was going through a divorce. At the time, most TRIUMPH folks I knew felt, >that while price may have represented his investment, more likely it was >established because he really didn't want to sell it. > >I always felt (and have advised) those looking for a race car should seek >the best car they can, and then negotiate a fair price and buy it. >Especially those who are unable to do top shelf mechanical work themselves will never >buy and clunker and then pay to have it converted into a competitive race >car for what they can buy and race a ready race car. > >Bill Dentinger >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Jul 21 17:33:44 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 19:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Missfire In-Reply-To: <8CF35A444269BF9-1BE8-17BE8@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF35A444269BF9-1BE8-17BE8@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF35B06735E839-E44-1B831@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: robertten1 To: blang ; lang Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:06 pm Subject: Missfire Bob, Hope all is well. Have a problem with the race Spit - Only running on 2 cylinders # 2 & 3 ?? Tried switching the plug wires around and the firing order with no success. Tried swapping out the Pertronics system with the Mallory Set Up with no difference. Even swapped the plugs around with no difference. Any idea where to look next ? I plan to do compression and leak down tests next. Fresh rebuild, Bob T From budscars at comcast.net Sat Jul 21 17:37:44 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 16:37:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Missfire References: <8CF35A444269BF9-1BE8-17BE8@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> <8CF35B06735E839-E44-1B831@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8C594310DA0840A78937EEA449C787AF@Bud> sounds like head gasket RB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 4:33 PM Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Missfire > -----Original Message----- > From: robertten1 > To: blang ; lang > Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:06 pm > Subject: Missfire > > > Bob, > > Hope all is well. Have a problem with the race Spit - Only running on 2 > cylinders # 2 & 3 ?? Tried switching the plug wires around and the firing > order with no success. Tried swapping out the Pertronics system with the > Mallory Set Up with no difference. Even swapped the plugs around with no > difference. > > Any idea where to look next ? I plan to do compression and leak down > tests > next. > > > Fresh rebuild, > Bob T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Jul 21 18:00:20 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:00:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] From Wheels to Wings AIRVENTURE @ OSHKOSH GLACIER GIRL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's really hard to not go to the ALMS race, as IMHO, they are the BEST road racing cars we can see in the US. But the chance to see a B 29 in flight outweighs seeing any earth bound vehicle I can think of. Terry Stetler From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Jul 21 22:15:12 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 00:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Misfire Message-ID: <8CF35D7B92FF3BF-1C60-19635@webmail-d096.sysops.aol.com> Well I have completed the tests and found the following : Leak Down - #1 -5%: #2 -10%: #3 -10% #4 -12% Compression - 180 / 180 / 180 / 168 I thinking of checking the valve clearances again especially for #4. Any further thoughts, Bob T From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 22 05:59:17 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 07:59:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Misfire Message-ID: Bob, Checking valves is a good idea. Is the distributor cap new? I'd check it out with another one. I had a bad one out of the box a couple of years ago. Swapped the old one back in and cleared up the problem. The quality on some stink. Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad robertten1 at aol.com wrote: >Well I have completed the tests and found the following : > >Leak Down - #1 -5%: #2 -10%: #3 -10% #4 -12% > >Compression - 180 / 180 / 180 / 168 > > >I thinking of checking the valve clearances again especially for #4. > > >Any further thoughts, >Bob T >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From robertten1 at aol.com Sun Jul 22 13:26:13 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Misfire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF3656FDC1C407-A90-24513@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com> Hi Doug, With 2 complete different ignition systems swapped in and out with the same exact results ?? Thats distributors, wires and coils. Caps and rotors do check out ok. I'm also going to try different plugs though I did swap the current plugs around with no difference. The puzzle continues, Bob T -----Original Message----- From: Doug Mitchell To: robertten1 Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 7:59 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Misfire Bob, Checking valves is a good idea. Is the distributor cap new? I'd check it out with another one. I had a bad one out of the box a couple of years ago. Swapped the old one back in and cleared up the problem. The quality on some stink. Cheers, Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sent from my ASUS Pad robertten1 at aol.com wrote: >Well I have completed the tests and found the following : > >Leak Down - #1 -5%: #2 -10%: #3 -10% #4 -12% > >Compression - 180 / 180 / 180 / 168 > > >I thinking of checking the valve clearances again especially for #4. > > >Any further thoughts, >Bob T >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 22 13:38:59 2012 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 14:38:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire Message-ID: <9C316C900E4A4E6ABBD696BA1D768D98@bkolnzPC> Joe Hovey, with me helping, rebuilt the engine on the #8 before the Mitty. When we fired it up for the first time, it had the same misfire you describe. We went through all the steps you have, and when nothing worked, Joe popped off the Pertronix cap and put a new blue rotor in. It fired right up and ran on all four like a dream. Old rotor looked fine... ? Blue spare is in the track box and got one for the Dr. Bill Collins '72 (1300) spit racer DFW, TX. From vangoughv at hotmail.com Sun Jul 22 15:09:54 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:09:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Misfire In-Reply-To: <8CF3656FDC1C407-A90-24513@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3656FDC1C407-A90-24513@webmail-m043.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Have you checked the connectors and wiring to the coil / POS & Ground leads a loose spade/poor crimp/fractured wire .... Sent from my iPhone On 2012-07-22, at 3:26 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Doug, > > With 2 complete different ignition systems swapped in and out with the same > exact results ?? Thats distributors, wires and coils. Caps and rotors do > check out ok. I'm also going to try different plugs though I did swap the > current plugs around with no difference. > > The puzzle continues, > Bob T > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Mitchell > To: robertten1 > Cc: fot > Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 7:59 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Misfire > > > Bob, > > Checking valves is a good idea. Is the distributor cap new? I'd check it out > with another one. I had a bad one out of the box a couple of years ago. > Swapped > the old one back in and cleared up the problem. The quality on some stink. > > Cheers, > > Doug Mitchell > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > > Sent from my ASUS Pad > > robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > >> Well I have completed the tests and found the following : >> >> Leak Down - #1 -5%: #2 -10%: #3 -10% #4 -12% >> >> Compression - 180 / 180 / 180 / 168 >> >> >> I thinking of checking the valve clearances again especially for #4. >> >> >> Any further thoughts, >> Bob T >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Sun Jul 22 18:41:24 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:41:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Missfire In-Reply-To: <8CF35B06735E839-E44-1B831@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF35A444269BF9-1BE8-17BE8@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> <8CF35B06735E839-E44-1B831@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4480D730-D853-4F36-B39C-58984D474133@gmail.com> Have you confirmed that the plugs aren't firing? If not, remove them, clip on the plug wires, and lay them on the engine so they'll be grounded and then watch for sparks jumping the gaps on all four while the engine is cranked over. Duncan 1952 Morgan #6 Red CVAR On Jul 21, 2012, at 6:33 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: robertten1 > To: blang ; lang > Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:06 pm > Subject: Missfire > > > Bob, > > Hope all is well. Have a problem with the race Spit - Only running on 2 > cylinders # 2 & 3 ?? Tried switching the plug wires around and the firing > order with no success. Tried swapping out the Pertronics system with the > Mallory Set Up with no difference. Even swapped the plugs around with no > difference. > > Any idea where to look next ? I plan to do compression and leak down tests > next. > > > Fresh rebuild, > Bob T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From budscars at comcast.net Sun Jul 22 19:09:20 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:09:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Missfire References: <8CF35A444269BF9-1BE8-17BE8@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com><8CF35B06735E839-E44-1B831@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> <4480D730-D853-4F36-B39C-58984D474133@gmail.com> Message-ID: <346ACAC8186549E3B8BE97865CA22FE8@Bud> How about the engine flooding/starving because of the timing being off?...Try rotating the distributor a bit while the engine is running to see if it smooths out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Charlton" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Missfire > Have you confirmed that the plugs aren't firing? If not, remove them, > clip on > the plug wires, and lay them on the engine so they'll be grounded and then > watch for sparks jumping the gaps on all four while the engine is cranked > over. > > Duncan > 1952 Morgan #6 Red > CVAR > > On Jul 21, 2012, at 6:33 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: robertten1 >> To: blang ; lang >> Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:06 pm >> Subject: Missfire >> >> >> Bob, >> >> Hope all is well. Have a problem with the race Spit - Only running on 2 >> cylinders # 2 & 3 ?? Tried switching the plug wires around and the >> firing >> order with no success. Tried swapping out the Pertronics system with the >> Mallory Set Up with no difference. Even swapped the plugs around with no >> difference. >> >> Any idea where to look next ? I plan to do compression and leak down > tests >> next. >> >> >> Fresh rebuild, >> Bob T >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From robertten1 at aol.com Sun Jul 22 20:38:10 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 22:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire In-Reply-To: <9C316C900E4A4E6ABBD696BA1D768D98@bkolnzPC> References: <9C316C900E4A4E6ABBD696BA1D768D98@bkolnzPC> Message-ID: <8CF369355138893-1FD4-26E04@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> Hi Bill, Unfortunately I fried the Pretronix in the Delco distributor so I can't try anything with that set-up Though it did have a new good rotor in it along with a new cap with brass contacts. Right now I have the Mallory Points Unit and set-up in And this did work fine before the rebuild. I will try your suggestion a replace the rotor and see if I have any luck. Thanks, Bob T -----Original Message----- From: William Collins To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 3:42 pm Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire Joe Hovey, with me helping, rebuilt the engine on the #8 before the Mitty. When we fired it up for the first time, it had the same misfire you describe. We went through all the steps you have, and when nothing worked, Joe popped off the Pertronix cap and put a new blue rotor in. It fired right up and ran on all four like a dream. Old rotor looked fine... ? Blue spare is in the track box and got one for the Dr. Bill Collins '72 (1300) spit racer DFW, TX. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From mrcpt1fc at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 22 21:13:46 2012 From: mrcpt1fc at sbcglobal.net (mrcpt1@sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 20:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR2 Exhaust Message-ID: <1343013226.51586.YahooMailRC@web181006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hello, I am in need of a complete exhaust system for my TR2. I was hoping to find a good QH or Harmo brand set up. Does anyone have or know where I can get the correct head pipe, 18' muffler, and long separate tail pipe section ? Thanks, Mike . P.S. any TR2 racers have the old stuff out in the barn ? From stutzmans at comcast.net Mon Jul 23 08:24:34 2012 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 10:24:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire In-Reply-To: <8CF369355138893-1FD4-26E04@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> References: <9C316C900E4A4E6ABBD696BA1D768D98@bkolnzPC> <8CF369355138893-1FD4-26E04@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4F34FEC8AAAD4F519C29DD0AE1C8E244@ComputerPC> The bad rotor issue is just with Lucas 25D and 22D dizzys. If your rotor has a rivot throw it away. And get a new red rotor or an old one before rivots. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire misfire > Hi Bill, > > Unfortunately I fried the Pretronix in the Delco distributor so I can't > try > anything with that set-up Though it did have a new good rotor in it along > with > a new cap with brass contacts. Right now I have the Mallory Points Unit > and > set-up in And this did work fine before the rebuild. I will try your > suggestion a replace the rotor and see if I have any luck. > > Thanks, > Bob T > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Collins > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 3:42 pm > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire > > > Joe Hovey, with me helping, rebuilt the engine on the #8 before the Mitty. > When we fired it up for the first time, it had the same misfire you > describe. > We went through all the steps you have, and when nothing worked, Joe > popped > off the Pertronix cap and put a new blue rotor in. It fired right up > and > ran on all four like a dream. Old rotor looked fine... ? > > Blue spare is in the track box and got one for the Dr. > > Bill Collins > '72 (1300) spit racer > DFW, TX. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jul 23 08:48:48 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:48:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale References: <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> Message-ID: <65FD552CB1A0435C83C1D43591299A74@Charly> FoT' rs, I now have a 64 TR4 for sale. This car was bought by one of my employees from another FOT'r and he had hoped to race it. I think he became overwhelmed by it and has done nothing with it for 2 years. The car is complete, but is not race ready, and could be easily returned to a street car if desired. The car has a fuel cell and a full cage with other race modifications. The asking price for it is $4900.00. I'll be getting some pictures latter this week. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "Dennis DeLap" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > You might try Bring-a-Trailer or figuring out how to list it for European > sale. Always seems to me that pricing is higher in the UK, though perhaps > not for a LHD car. > > On Jul 18, 2012, at 10:50 AM, rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com wrote: > > The other two TR4's listed along with yours have been on for a long time > as well and they are only slighly cheaper. I listed a Datsun 2000 for 24K > a few years back and had thousands of views with only a couple of lame > inquiries. I ended up selling at 16K and it was in beautiful and race > ready condition. You can continue to wait it out or drop the price until > the calls start to come in. > > Bob From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jul 23 10:08:15 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 11:08:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire In-Reply-To: <4F34FEC8AAAD4F519C29DD0AE1C8E244@ComputerPC> References: <9C316C900E4A4E6ABBD696BA1D768D98@bkolnzPC> <8CF369355138893-1FD4-26E04@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> <4F34FEC8AAAD4F519C29DD0AE1C8E244@ComputerPC> Message-ID: Jack had a rotor fail in a Mallory dual point - cost him a race win (I won instead... :) ). Rotor looked perfect, but replacing allowed the car to run again. Tony At 09:24 AM 7/23/2012, Stutzmans wrote: >The bad rotor issue is just with Lucas 25D and 22D dizzys. If your >rotor has a rivot throw it away. And get a new red rotor or an old >one before rivots. >Bruce >----- Original Message ----- From: >To: >Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:38 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire misfire > > >>Hi Bill, >> >>Unfortunately I fried the Pretronix in the Delco distributor so I can't try >>anything with that set-up Though it did have a new good rotor in it >>along with >>a new cap with brass contacts. Right now I have the Mallory Points Unit and >>set-up in And this did work fine before the rebuild. I will try your >>suggestion a replace the rotor and see if I have any luck. >> >>Thanks, >>Bob T >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: William Collins >>To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph >>Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 3:42 pm >>Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire >> >> >>Joe Hovey, with me helping, rebuilt the engine on the #8 before the Mitty. >>When we fired it up for the first time, it had the same misfire you describe. >>We went through all the steps you have, and when nothing worked, Joe popped >>off the Pertronix cap and put a new blue rotor in. It fired right up and >>ran on all four like a dream. Old rotor looked fine... ? >> >>Blue spare is in the track box and got one for the Dr. >> >>Bill Collins >>'72 (1300) spit racer >>DFW, TX. >>_______________________________________________ >>fot at autox.team.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com >>_______________________________________________ >>fot at autox.team.net >> >>http://www.fot-racing.com >> >>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jul 23 10:19:57 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:19:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale References: <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> <65FD552CB1A0435C83C1D43591299A74@Charly> Message-ID: <8C1F72BE075E4AF5982B2A01715C1983@Charly> Sorry, I forgot to say the car is in Tacoma WA. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "Scott Janzen" ; "Dennis DeLap" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 7:48 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > FoT' rs, > I now have a 64 TR4 for sale. This car was bought by one of my employees > from another FOT'r and he had hoped to race it. I think he became > overwhelmed by it and has done nothing with it for 2 years. > The car is complete, but is not race ready, and could be easily returned > to a street car if desired. The car has a fuel cell and a full cage with > other race modifications. > The asking price for it is $4900.00. > I'll be getting some pictures latter this week. > Charly Mitchel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Janzen" > To: "Dennis DeLap" > Cc: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 8:02 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > > >> You might try Bring-a-Trailer or figuring out how to list it for European >> sale. Always seems to me that pricing is higher in the UK, though >> perhaps not for a LHD car. >> >> On Jul 18, 2012, at 10:50 AM, rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com wrote: >> >> The other two TR4's listed along with yours have been on for a long time >> as well and they are only slighly cheaper. I listed a Datsun 2000 for 24K >> a few years back and had thousands of views with only a couple of lame >> inquiries. I ended up selling at 16K and it was in beautiful and race >> ready condition. You can continue to wait it out or drop the price until >> the calls start to come in. >> >> Bob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Jul 23 10:26:39 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:26:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale References: <20120718145049.1NN4S.15517.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> <65FD552CB1A0435C83C1D43591299A74@Charly> Message-ID: <1700526CAFFA41B4A7ACA7C63C58039F@Charly> One more note about this car, I guess it was owned by Elmer Peters and raced SCCA out of Ohio, not sure of the years. Again, it's located in Tacoma WA. Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "Scott Janzen" ; "Dennis DeLap" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 7:48 AM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > FoT' rs, > I now have a 64 TR4 for sale. This car was bought by one of my employees > from another FOT'r and he had hoped to race it. I think he became > overwhelmed by it and has done nothing with it for 2 years. > The car is complete, but is not race ready, and could be easily returned > to a street car if desired. The car has a fuel cell and a full cage with > other race modifications. > The asking price for it is $4900.00. > I'll be getting some pictures latter this week. > Charly Mitchel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Janzen" > To: "Dennis DeLap" > Cc: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 8:02 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Race Car For Sale > > >> You might try Bring-a-Trailer or figuring out how to list it for European >> sale. Always seems to me that pricing is higher in the UK, though >> perhaps not for a LHD car. >> >> On Jul 18, 2012, at 10:50 AM, rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com wrote: >> >> The other two TR4's listed along with yours have been on for a long time >> as well and they are only slighly cheaper. I listed a Datsun 2000 for 24K >> a few years back and had thousands of views with only a couple of lame >> inquiries. I ended up selling at 16K and it was in beautiful and race >> ready condition. You can continue to wait it out or drop the price until >> the calls start to come in. >> >> Bob > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From list at mackenzie.aero Mon Jul 23 11:21:46 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:21:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for SU HS2 manifold for 1296 Spit engine Message-ID: <000401cd68f7$a34e2230$e9ea6690$@aero> I am starting to build up a 1296 engine and need a manifold. Does anybody have a HS2 manifold for the spit 1296/1500 engine they can part with? Thanks Robert MacKenzie From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Jul 23 18:58:08 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire In-Reply-To: <4F34FEC8AAAD4F519C29DD0AE1C8E244@ComputerPC> References: <9C316C900E4A4E6ABBD696BA1D768D98@bkolnzPC> <8CF369355138893-1FD4-26E04@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> <4F34FEC8AAAD4F519C29DD0AE1C8E244@ComputerPC> Message-ID: <8CF374E86634F9F-AC4-33D7B@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com> Hmmm, I'll check for rivits in both the Delco and Mallory distributors. Thanks, Bob T -----Original Message----- From: Stutzmans To: fot ; robertten1 Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 10:24 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire misfire The bad rotor issue is just with Lucas 25D and 22D dizzys. If your rotor has a rivot throw it away. And get a new red rotor or an old one before rivots. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire misfire > Hi Bill, > > Unfortunately I fried the Pretronix in the Delco distributor so I can't > try > anything with that set-up Though it did have a new good rotor in it along > with > a new cap with brass contacts. Right now I have the Mallory Points Unit > and > set-up in And this did work fine before the rebuild. I will try your > suggestion a replace the rotor and see if I have any luck. > > Thanks, > Bob T > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Collins > To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph > Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 3:42 pm > Subject: [Fot] Spitfire misfire > > > Joe Hovey, with me helping, rebuilt the engine on the #8 before the Mitty. > When we fired it up for the first time, it had the same misfire you > describe. > We went through all the steps you have, and when nothing worked, Joe > popped > off the Pertronix cap and put a new blue rotor in. It fired right up > and > ran on all four like a dream. Old rotor looked fine... ? > > Blue spare is in the track box and got one for the Dr. > > Bill Collins > '72 (1300) spit racer > DFW, TX. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From robertten1 at aol.com Mon Jul 23 19:13:56 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Missfire In-Reply-To: <4480D730-D853-4F36-B39C-58984D474133@gmail.com> References: <8CF35A444269BF9-1BE8-17BE8@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com> <8CF35B06735E839-E44-1B831@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com> <4480D730-D853-4F36-B39C-58984D474133@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CF3750BAF5C1B1-AC4-34234@webmail-m018.sysops.aol.com> I swapped the plugs around to the cylinders that fire and those that don't. The same two cylinders that fired fired and one and four nothing. Yes there is spark going to all the plugs, my getting a good jolt a couple times was also confirmation. I'm also looking into any vacuum leaks. Thanks for the tip, Bob T -----Original Message----- From: Duncan Charlton To: robertten1 Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Jul 22, 2012 8:41 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Missfire Have you confirmed that the plugs aren't firing? If not, remove them, clip on the plug wires, and lay them on the engine so they'll be grounded and then watch for sparks jumping the gaps on all four while the engine is cranked over. Duncan 1952 Morgan #6 Red CVAR On Jul 21, 2012, at 6:33 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: robertten1 > To: blang ; lang > Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:06 pm > Subject: Missfire > > > Bob, > > Hope all is well. Have a problem with the race Spit - Only running on 2 > cylinders # 2 & 3 ?? Tried switching the plug wires around and the firing > order with no success. Tried swapping out the Pertronics system with the > Mallory Set Up with no difference. Even swapped the plugs around with no > difference. > > Any idea where to look next ? I plan to do compression and leak down tests > next. > > > Fresh rebuild, > Bob T > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From igofaster at att.net Tue Jul 24 09:49:40 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 08:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] California Air Message-ID: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> just got my DVD in of California Air... there's a real handsome guy at the beginning with a puke yellow GT-6+ that Kas is signing, also seen later on on the fence line crying at the start of the Kastner Kup..... priceless.... ---thank you Kas and Peggy for being so gracious.... Bobby Whitehead From igofaster at att.net Tue Jul 24 13:51:15 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 12:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] California Air In-Reply-To: References: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1343159475.8168.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> primrose, jasmine, puke....yellow.... one of my good friends that raced with CVAR passed away late last year.. Ron Shade, he ran in CP with a 911 Porsche.. as DP (my GT-6+) we ran in the same group 7 with CVAR... a 15 minute session I was usually pretty good, a 20 minute session and I would become a moving pylon for the 911's .... as Ron came around me one time at TWS I had to get a little squirrelly (sp) and get off road a bit to get out of the way.... later in protest (with a beer) I questioned the position I was in with Ron... quote " if you would keep that puke yellow Triumph out of my way.... " .... since then and in respect and memory, I have since always registered as "puke yellow" ... even for the Mitty in April... Bobby Whitehead #39 DP Triumph GT-6+ ________________________________ From: Charles WATSON To: Bobby Whitehead FoT Sent: Tue, July 24, 2012 10:52:22 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] California Air I guess one man's jasmine is another man's puke. Wait, that sounds wrong! Thanks, Chuck Watson Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 08:49:40 -0700 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] California Air > > just got my DVD in of California Air... there's a real handsome guy at the > beginning with a puke yellow GT-6+ that Kas is signing, also seen later on on > the fence line crying at the start of the Kastner Kup..... > priceless.... ---thank you Kas and Peggy for being so gracious.... > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From cwnfot at gmail.com Tue Jul 24 15:02:34 2012 From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:02:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] California Air - DVD order...? In-Reply-To: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b401cd69df$a6bdea20$f439be60$@com> Hmmm... I think I ordered a copy of the DVD, did I miss the payment part or am I all set? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." From jhhasty at gdhs.com Tue Jul 24 15:06:27 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:06:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] California Air - DVD order...? In-Reply-To: <00b401cd69df$a6bdea20$f439be60$@com> References: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <00b401cd69df$a6bdea20$f439be60$@com> Message-ID: <64E7854B-0442-48D4-8DA3-1C177021C213@gdhs.com> Must not matter. I paid but don't have one either! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2012, at 5:02 PM, "Clark W. Nicholls" wrote: > Hmmm... > I think I ordered a copy of the DVD, did I miss the payment part or am I all > set? > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 24 18:39:10 2012 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:39:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] California Air In-Reply-To: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There's" NO CRYING" !!! in Vintage racing,,,, panty waste.. Goob. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby Whitehead" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 10:49 Subject: [Fot] California Air > just got my DVD in of California Air... there's a real handsome guy at > the > beginning with a puke yellow GT-6+ that Kas is signing, also seen later on > on > the fence line crying at the start of the Kastner Kup..... > priceless.... ---thank you Kas and Peggy for being so gracious.... > > Bobby Whitehead From rfdeanes at gmail.com Wed Jul 25 06:00:12 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:00:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] California Air - DVD order...? In-Reply-To: <64E7854B-0442-48D4-8DA3-1C177021C213@gdhs.com> References: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <00b401cd69df$a6bdea20$f439be60$@com> <64E7854B-0442-48D4-8DA3-1C177021C213@gdhs.com> Message-ID: As my mom used to say T,T,& T.......Things Take Time.....some thing are worth waiting on....we sure couldn't do the footage....as we were driving ! On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 5:06 PM, John Hasty wrote: > Must not matter. I paid but don't have one either! > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 24, 2012, at 5:02 PM, "Clark W. Nicholls" wrote: > > > Hmmm... > > I think I ordered a copy of the DVD, did I miss the payment part or am I > all > > set? > > > > Clark > > Clark W. Nicholls > > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > > "Reality, it's not what you think." > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From mmoore at wave1.net Wed Jul 25 07:12:20 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:12:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Rear brake adjustment on TR4 Message-ID: <000901cd6a67$1fc9b160$5f5d1420$@net> Just wondering how much you adjust the rear drum brakes. On my street TR4 I adjust them out so the I get one rotation. This is where I set them on the race car, but when tightening the lugs nuts ( wheel off ground and brake pedal pushed in) the wheel still turns. Should I adjust the shoes out more? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 25 07:30:13 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:30:13 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Rear brake adjustment on TR4 In-Reply-To: <000901cd6a67$1fc9b160$5f5d1420$@net> References: <000901cd6a67$1fc9b160$5f5d1420$@net> Message-ID: <003701cd6a69$a0812160$e1836420$@com> I set the adjuster to quite a lock, then one or two steps open. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mike Moore Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Juli 2012 15:12 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Rear brake adjustment on TR4 Just wondering how much you adjust the rear drum brakes. On my street TR4 I adjust them out so the I get one rotation. This is where I set them on the race car, but when tightening the lugs nuts ( wheel off ground and brake pedal pushed in) the wheel still turns. Should I adjust the shoes out more? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From mmoore at wave1.net Wed Jul 25 12:27:15 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:27:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake Pas Message-ID: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> Looking for extra set of racing front pads and rear shoes for my TR4, what do you guys recommend? Where is the best place to get them? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jul 25 12:34:41 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:34:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake Pas In-Reply-To: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> References: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> Message-ID: We use Carbotech front pads and rear shoes from Ted Shumacher John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Moore Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:27 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Brake Pas Looking for extra set of racing front pads and rear shoes for my TR4, what do you guys recommend? Where is the best place to get them? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Jul 25 12:35:03 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:35:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake Pas In-Reply-To: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> References: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> Message-ID: I run Carbotech AX-6 front pads and am very happy with them. They are a bit pricey and don't last forever but are easy on the rotors, don't leave little bits of molten rotor in the wheel's paint, stop well, don't fade, and don't need a bunch of warming up before use. Jack ran rear shoes that Ted Shumaker (TSI) supplied. It's been a while, I don't remember the exact compound. He ran those with the Carbotech front pads. Tony At 01:27 PM 7/25/2012, Mike Moore wrote: >Looking for extra set of racing front pads and rear shoes for my TR4, what >do you guys recommend? Where is the best place to get them? > > > >Thanks > >Mike > > > >Michael T. Moore, CPA > >2007 West 32nd Street > >Erie, PA 16508 > > > >Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > >Fax: 814-864-7383 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jul 25 12:38:41 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 14:38:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake Pas In-Reply-To: <20120725183248.C431C2D02BD@autox.team.net> References: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> <20120725183248.C431C2D02BD@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Yep, CTGD500-AX6 is the Carbotech # they are in Charlotte, 704-481-8554 John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 2:35 PM To: Mike Moore; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Brake Pas I run Carbotech AX-6 front pads and am very happy with them. They are a bit pricey and don't last forever but are easy on the rotors, don't leave little bits of molten rotor in the wheel's paint, stop well, don't fade, and don't need a bunch of warming up before use. Jack ran rear shoes that Ted Shumaker (TSI) supplied. It's been a while, I don't remember the exact compound. He ran those with the Carbotech front pads. Tony At 01:27 PM 7/25/2012, Mike Moore wrote: >Looking for extra set of racing front pads and rear shoes for my TR4, >what do you guys recommend? Where is the best place to get them? > > > >Thanks > >Mike > > > >Michael T. Moore, CPA > >2007 West 32nd Street > >Erie, PA 16508 > > > >Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > >Fax: 814-864-7383 >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Wed Jul 25 12:38:59 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:38:59 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brake Pas In-Reply-To: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> References: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> Message-ID: <005901cd6a94$c40be3b0$4c23ab10$@com> I like gentle braking pads at my car. I run EBC yellow stuff at front and anything stock like at rear. I tried Kendall at rear but they are too sticky when cold. When hot they are great but not better than a 25$ rear brake shoe. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Mike Moore Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Juli 2012 20:27 An: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: [Fot] Brake Pas Looking for extra set of racing front pads and rear shoes for my TR4, what do you guys recommend? Where is the best place to get them? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 25 15:55:16 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] California Air - DVD order...? ORDER STATUS In-Reply-To: <00b401cd69df$a6bdea20$f439be60$@com> References: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <00b401cd69df$a6bdea20$f439be60$@com> Message-ID: <8CF38C74F6087B9-1E0C-F570@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com> Clark, John, and FOT at large, The first two lots of discs were shipped, per orders received, from the UK and received by us. The premium cases and the bubble envelopes were ordered and received by us. Immediately, Six Hours were spent assembling the artwork and discs to cases and putting in sealed plastic. Included in this was final packaging and labeling, then getting to the P.O. There was three generations of family involved in this and no time was wasted. They were shipped starting last Wednesday and Thursday and I know that they are starting to arrive..... I just received another lot of discs, MOMENTS AGO, to do order fulfillment on orders received later. I immediately started assembling disc packages for the P.O. tomorrow. Orders are still coming in and another order will be placed to U.K. Once again, if you plan to order, please do so. It helps me set the number to order in from the UK. If you are anxious to receive CALIFORNIA AIR, I can understand why. It is a brilliant DVD. A must for your archives. ROB DEANES, thanks for pointing out the obvious. NOTE: Our Post Office system is not what it used to be, and worse in some areas of the country. Please be patient and contact me directly. I will answer. Regards, Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Clark W. Nicholls To: 'FoT Triumph' Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 4:03 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] California Air - DVD order...? Hmmm... I think I ordered a copy of the DVD, did I miss the payment part or am I all set? Clark Clark W. Nicholls 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner "Reality, it's not what you think." _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Jul 25 17:51:22 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:51:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] California Air - DVD order...? ORDER STATUS In-Reply-To: <8CF38C74F6087B9-1E0C-F570@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com> References: <1343144980.39719.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <00b401cd69df$a6bdea20$f439be60$@com> <8CF38C74F6087B9-1E0C-F570@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3011A2DC-D2FB-490A-802F-37C04FAB7806@gdhs.com> No problem Joe. Got it today! Thanks for your many jobs in keeping FOT on top. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 25, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Clark, John, and FOT at large, > > The first two lots of discs were shipped, per orders received, from the UK and > received by us. > > The premium cases and the bubble envelopes were ordered and received by us. > > Immediately, Six Hours were spent assembling the artwork and discs to cases > and putting in sealed plastic. > > Included in this was final packaging and labeling, then getting to the P.O. > There was three generations of family involved in this and no time was wasted. > They were shipped starting last Wednesday and Thursday and I know that they > are starting to arrive..... > > I just received another lot of discs, MOMENTS AGO, to do order fulfillment on > orders received later. I immediately started assembling disc packages for the > P.O. tomorrow. > > Orders are still coming in and another order will be placed to U.K. Once > again, if you plan to order, please do so. It helps me set the number to order > in from the UK. > > If you are anxious to receive CALIFORNIA AIR, I can understand why. It is a > brilliant DVD. A must for your archives. > > ROB DEANES, thanks for pointing out the obvious. > > NOTE: Our Post Office system is not what it used to be, and worse in some > areas of the country. > > Please be patient and contact me directly. I will answer. > > Regards, > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clark W. Nicholls > To: 'FoT Triumph' > Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 4:03 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] California Air - DVD order...? > > > Hmmm... > I think I ordered a copy of the DVD, did I miss the payment part or am I all > set? > > Clark > Clark W. Nicholls > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner > "Reality, it's not what you think." > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From levilevi at comcast.net Wed Jul 25 18:15:10 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 18:15:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers Message-ID: <4EAFBF56-CB62-45B2-B8F1-9F766366E8BB@comcast.net> I'm thinking about buying a trailer and wondered what kinds of things I should be looking for when it comes to getting a lowered car (4.5 inches of clearance for my TR6) onto a trailer without dragging. Dovetailed trailer, length of ramps, tilt bed, height of trailer from ground? Looking for things to avoid and desirable features. How often is a winch needed? Is a sway bar control necessary? Should electric brake and light hookups be separate or one plug? Other than just trying it to see or using geometry is there an index or way to figure what the ramp length needs to be? Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Jul 25 19:51:46 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] apologies to FOT and Clark. Message-ID: <8CF38E8597C7F51-1E0C-10BC6@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com> FOT, I havnt been 'playing well with others', lately. After reading an article on our Triumphs, I sent the scribe a few words of displeasure. I felt the column in question was a bit too negative. In retrospect, I should have left it alone. I still would have liked to have seen a different tone in his treatment of the Kastner Cup TRIUMPHs, but it's not my job to tell him how to write. Then I misunderstood the nature of Clark's inquiry and felt it necessary to explain in great detail how the shipments of CALIFORNIA AIR were prepared. I apologized to Clark. I am uncertain about doing the same with B.S. it was 104 degrees in our area today, but i am not using that as an excuse. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From triumphs at consolidated.net Wed Jul 25 20:24:56 2012 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:24:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] apologies to FOT and Clark. In-Reply-To: <8CF38E8597C7F51-1E0C-10BC6@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF38E8597C7F51-1E0C-10BC6@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3074A94F-9FFE-4169-B76C-EC0BEE2D42B1@consolidated.net> Joe: 100+ degrees is enough said. 104 here today and I don't think I heard a kind word all day. Everybody is justifiably cranky. Btw: I got my California Air last week. Watched it Sunday. I will leave the critical acclaim to others. I enjoyed it :-). Thanks Ken Gano Sent from my iPad On Jul 25, 2012, at 8:51 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT, > > I havnt been 'playing well with others', lately. > > After reading an article on our Triumphs, I sent the scribe a few words of > displeasure. I felt the column in question was a bit too negative. In > retrospect, I should have left it alone. I still would have liked to have seen > a different tone in his treatment of the Kastner Cup TRIUMPHs, but it's not my > job to tell him how to write. > > Then I misunderstood the nature of Clark's inquiry and felt it necessary to > explain in great detail how the shipments of CALIFORNIA AIR were prepared. > > I apologized to Clark. I am uncertain about doing the same with B.S. > > it was 104 degrees in our area today, but i am not using that as an excuse. > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jul 26 08:39:53 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 07:39:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers References: <4EAFBF56-CB62-45B2-B8F1-9F766366E8BB@comcast.net> Message-ID: Bud, I haul a TR6 racecar on a flat trailer and my car has probably only 3 inches of ground clearance. I use 8 foot 2X12 wood planks to drive it up on. It is important how you have the truck and trailer situated and I always look to have the truck higher than the trailer, enabling a bit of tilt on the trailer. I have never scraped or come close to scraping. My trailer is a totally flat trailer and is very light weight. The trailer and car weigh less than 3000 lbs. I tow it with a LR3, and last trip of about 300 miles, I averaged 18mpg, compared to when I hauled a cargo trailer of the same weight and got 12 mpg. My trailer has 2 axels and tows very nicely, I have towed it at 80+ mph, but usually tow at around 70mph. I don't have a winch, hand or electric and usually drive the car on the trailer. I sometimes push it on the trailer, with some help of course. I prefer a single plug, it makes it easier. I've attached a picture from several years ago and this is not my current tow rig. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Rolofson" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:15 PM Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers > I'm thinking about buying a trailer and wondered what kinds of things I > should be looking for when it comes to getting a lowered car (4.5 inches > of clearance for my TR6) onto a trailer without dragging. Dovetailed > trailer, length of ramps, tilt bed, height of trailer from ground? > Looking for things to avoid and desirable features. How often is a winch > needed? Is a sway bar control necessary? Should electric brake and light > hookups be separate or one plug? Other than just trying it to see or > using geometry is there an index or way to figure what the ramp length > needs to be? > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 287.jpg] From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Jul 26 08:54:35 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 07:54:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers References: <4EAFBF56-CB62-45B2-B8F1-9F766366E8BB@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2C92F5402E9345849F46E57B46D2F628@Charly> I believe my trailer is this one without the side rails. http://www.carsontrailer.com/subs/atv-trailers/atv-utility-trailer/utility-2-axles/utility-2-axles.html Charly Mitchel Mitchel Plumbing Co. 253-572-1150 charly at mitchelplumbing.com www.mitchelplumbing.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "Bud Rolofson" ; "FOT" Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Low cars and trailers > Bud, I haul a TR6 racecar on a flat trailer and my car has probably only 3 > inches of ground clearance. I use 8 foot 2X12 wood planks to drive it up > on. It is important how you have the truck and trailer situated and I > always look to have the truck higher than the trailer, enabling a bit of > tilt on the trailer. I have never scraped or come close to scraping. > My trailer is a totally flat trailer and is very light weight. The > trailer > and car weigh less than 3000 lbs. I tow it with a LR3, and last trip of > about 300 miles, I averaged 18mpg, compared to when I hauled a cargo > trailer > of the same weight and got 12 mpg. My trailer has 2 axels and tows very > nicely, I have towed it at 80+ mph, but usually tow at around 70mph. > I don't have a winch, hand or electric and usually drive the car on the > trailer. I sometimes push it on the trailer, with some help of course. I > prefer a single plug, it makes it easier. > I've attached a picture from several years ago and this is not my current > tow rig. > > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bud Rolofson" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:15 PM > Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers > > >> I'm thinking about buying a trailer and wondered what kinds of things I >> should be looking for when it comes to getting a lowered car (4.5 inches >> of clearance for my TR6) onto a trailer without dragging. Dovetailed >> trailer, length of ramps, tilt bed, height of trailer from ground? >> Looking for things to avoid and desirable features. How often is a winch >> needed? Is a sway bar control necessary? Should electric brake and light >> hookups be separate or one plug? Other than just trying it to see or >> using geometry is there an index or way to figure what the ramp length >> needs to be? >> >> Thanks >> Bud Rolofson >> >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> levilevi at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > 287.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From sjanzen at me.com Thu Jul 26 09:06:02 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:06:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers In-Reply-To: <2C92F5402E9345849F46E57B46D2F628@Charly> References: <4EAFBF56-CB62-45B2-B8F1-9F766366E8BB@comcast.net> <2C92F5402E9345849F46E57B46D2F628@Charly> Message-ID: <0E13C3BB-CD38-4CE9-B9E6-8685A21179ED@me.com> Bud, you haven't said whether you want an enclosed trailer or an open trailer - makes a difference on some of these questions. Basically, you want to buy something that is designed as a car trailer, so that it has the dovetail design to ease the entrance angle transition. Once you get that, there shouldn't be a clearance issue. People make it work with flat trailers but if you are buying one there's no point in compromising on this as there's usually not a cost difference. I think torsion bar/load leveling hitches are hugely beneficial with an enclosed trailer, having towed without one for years and now using one. Shouldn't be needed on a lightweight open trailer with most tow vehicles. I think you'll end up with a single electrical connection for brakes/lights. If you are not in a rush, go to the next local race event - SCCA or vintage - and walk the paddock to see what people are using. Shop around a lot as new trailer prices vary widely. I love my aluminum Worthington trailer, but a great basic trailer is Haulmark. Go for the best quality you can afford as you'll probably live with it for 20 years. On Jul 26, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote: I believe my trailer is this one without the side rails. http://www.carsontrailer.com/subs/atv-trailers/atv-utility-trailer/utility-2-axles/utility-2-axles.html Charly Mitchel Mitchel Plumbing Co. 253-572-1150 charly at mitchelplumbing.com www.mitchelplumbing.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charly Mitchel" To: "Bud Rolofson" ; "FOT" Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Low cars and trailers > Bud, I haul a TR6 racecar on a flat trailer and my car has probably only 3 > inches of ground clearance. I use 8 foot 2X12 wood planks to drive it up > on. It is important how you have the truck and trailer situated and I > always look to have the truck higher than the trailer, enabling a bit of > tilt on the trailer. I have never scraped or come close to scraping. > My trailer is a totally flat trailer and is very light weight. The trailer > and car weigh less than 3000 lbs. I tow it with a LR3, and last trip of > about 300 miles, I averaged 18mpg, compared to when I hauled a cargo trailer > of the same weight and got 12 mpg. My trailer has 2 axels and tows very > nicely, I have towed it at 80+ mph, but usually tow at around 70mph. > I don't have a winch, hand or electric and usually drive the car on the > trailer. I sometimes push it on the trailer, with some help of course. I > prefer a single plug, it makes it easier. > I've attached a picture from several years ago and this is not my current > tow rig. > > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Rolofson" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:15 PM > Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers > > >> I'm thinking about buying a trailer and wondered what kinds of things I >> should be looking for when it comes to getting a lowered car (4.5 inches >> of clearance for my TR6) onto a trailer without dragging. Dovetailed >> trailer, length of ramps, tilt bed, height of trailer from ground? >> Looking for things to avoid and desirable features. How often is a winch >> needed? Is a sway bar control necessary? Should electric brake and light >> hookups be separate or one plug? Other than just trying it to see or >> using geometry is there an index or way to figure what the ramp length >> needs to be? >> >> Thanks >> Bud Rolofson >> >> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) >> 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) >> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) >> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) >> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) >> levilevi at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 287.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Jul 26 09:13:08 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] apologies to FOT and Clark. Message-ID: <29f8e.6049e7e9.3d42b884@aol.com> In a message dated 07/25/2012 8:52:07 PM Central Daylight Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > I havnt been 'playing well with others', lately. > Joe... It's your unbridled passion for things TRIUMPH. That's a good thing from where we sit. Don't lose any sleep over it. Bill (Damdinger) From igofaster at att.net Thu Jul 26 18:37:30 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] racing, but not a Triumph Message-ID: <1343349450.73679.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> finally got a video of my Mustang on youtube... NOT TRIUMPH related but RACING... http://youtu.be/h0jCWHzuMqY Bobby Whitehead From clw2000 at msn.com Thu Jul 26 18:56:00 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 20:56:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] racing, but not a Triumph In-Reply-To: <1343349450.73679.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1343349450.73679.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bobby, the Amish (so I am told) allow their post teen male kids to experience a year of freedom to decide if they want to stay with the Amish or go into the rest of the world. It ususally consists of the kid living in a trailer behind the parents' house smoking pot for a year before coming back into the fold. Anyway, don't inhale. Disclaimer....Bobby got me into FOT, so all is in jest. Thanks, Chuck Watson Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:37:30 -0700 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] racing, but not a Triumph > > finally got a video of my Mustang on youtube... > NOT TRIUMPH related but RACING... > > http://youtu.be/h0jCWHzuMqY > > > Bobby Whitehead > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From hakhutch at roadrunner.com Thu Jul 26 19:12:22 2012 From: hakhutch at roadrunner.com (Tim Hutchisen) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:12:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers References: <4EAFBF56-CB62-45B2-B8F1-9F766366E8BB@comcast.net> Message-ID: Bud, I purchased a heavy open landscape trailer a few years back. 5000GVW 16 footer. Trailer weighs 1700# and has 2 brake axles . The bed is flat and it works well for moving LBC's. It is similar to the one Charly Mitchell sent the link to you. The only issue is having to raise the tongue of the trailer to take some of the angle out from the ramp to the bed. I purchased a set of ramps with mine and carry some blocking in the truck to add under the ramps to decrease the angle if needed. I now have a winch as well, I found Superwinch's "winch-in-a-bag" on sale at the local big box parts retailer. 2000# winch, 12volt (powered with my portable battery pack). Works awesome. It is a portable winch that has no problem pulling a classic Saab 900 onto the trailer. It also winches in reverse to unload. I also use this winch pulling disabled cars into the shop. I have loaded and towed numerous LBC's with this set up and have yet to bottom out. Tim Hutchisen Norway, ME Penn Ridge Motors ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bud Rolofson" To: "FOT" Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:15 PM Subject: [Fot] Low cars and trailers > I'm thinking about buying a trailer and wondered what kinds of things I > should be looking for when it comes to getting a lowered car (4.5 inches > of clearance for my TR6) onto a trailer without dragging. Dovetailed > trailer, length of ramps, tilt bed, height of trailer from ground? > Looking for things to avoid and desirable features. How often is a winch > needed? Is a sway bar control necessary? Should electric brake and light > hookups be separate or one plug? Other than just trying it to see or > using geometry is there an index or way to figure what the ramp length > needs to be? > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Jul 27 08:34:35 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 10:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] A.R.E. TR6 HS on Speed Reality Show "HARD PARTS" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF3A1C13979375-1D60-1EFB6@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> FOT: This comes from Sean Alexander. I also heard about this from CMS's Gary Hunter. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Watch the reality show Hard Parts South Bronx episode Vapor Locked. Saturday at 9pm central time on SPEED 07/28 | 10:00pm ET Vapor Locked The show designs a heat shield for 1972 TVR that has a TR6 engine in it that has a vapor lock problem...he goes thru the process of a mock-up card board model template and then having one hand fabed from alum that looks almost identical to ours......long story short the close up when they instal it on the car its not the alum one he had hand fabed but is clearly our stainless steel one because you can see the the "E" of the "ARE" logo. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- BTW, the original design for this Heat Shield was borrowed from an aluminum one that IRV KOREY had on his TR6 from the early 70s. We refined the design and changed the material to Stainless Steel and put it on production equipment. THANKS IRV! Joe A. From SStarkweather at vbisd.org Fri Jul 27 11:02:54 2012 From: SStarkweather at vbisd.org (Scott Starkweather) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:02:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Change of E-mail address Message-ID: <5012917E020000B60005EC35@mail.vbisd.org> I need to know if it is possible to change my e-mail address? currently it is sstarkweather at vbisd.org I need to change it to scottstarkweather at rocketmail.com Thanks, Scott Starkweather 269 208 6103 From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Jul 27 11:44:03 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] A.R.E. TR6 HS on Speed Reality Show "HARD PARTS" In-Reply-To: <8CF3A1C13979375-1D60-1EFB6@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3A1C13979375-1D60-1EFB6@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: > FOT: > > > > This comes from Sean Alexander. I also heard about this from CMS's Gary > Hunter. I was wondering if anyone else caught this... in my case, the show was on but I was not actively watching. I look up and see the carbs and the guys playing with carboard and say to myself "huh, TVR2500" Then I see the shield they indicated that they had it fab'd and said to myself "wow, that sure looks familiar". Interesting. Too bad they're too cheap to give a proper endorsment. =;-0 c yas, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 27 12:43:48 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 13:43:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] A.R.E. TR6 HS on Speed Reality Show "HARD PARTS" In-Reply-To: <8CF3A1C13979375-1D60-1EFB6@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3A1C13979375-1D60-1EFB6@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I use the official A.R.E. Carb heat shield on my TVR. Thanks again Joe. Dennis On Jul 27, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > > > > This comes from Sean Alexander. I also heard about this from CMS's Gary > Hunter. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Watch the reality show Hard Parts South Bronx episode Vapor Locked. Saturday > at 9pm central time on SPEED > > 07/28 > | 10:00pm ET > Vapor Locked > > The show designs a heat shield for 1972 TVR that has a TR6 engine in it that > has a vapor lock problem...he goes thru the process of a mock-up card board > model template and then having one hand fabed from alum that looks almost > identical to ours......long story short the close up when they instal it on > the car its not the alum one he had hand fabed but is clearly our stainless > steel one because you can see the the "E" of the "ARE" logo. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > BTW, the original design for this Heat Shield was borrowed from an aluminum > one that IRV KOREY had on his TR6 from the early 70s. We refined the design > and changed the material to Stainless Steel and put it on production > equipment. THANKS IRV! > > Joe A. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From walt at hot-tr6.com Fri Jul 27 17:07:58 2012 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:07:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] A.R.E. TR6 HS on Speed Reality Show "HARD PARTS" In-Reply-To: <8CF3A1C13979375-1D60-1EFB6@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3A1C13979375-1D60-1EFB6@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000601cd6c4c$aa5369c0$fefa3d40$@hot-tr6.com> These shows have very little to do with reality. The sad thing is that I don't think you would actually have to have all the fake drama to have an interesting auto repair shop show. Hell, just hang around my garage most any evening or weekend when I'm not racing and you can see plenty of real drama. "No Dear, that is not a new engine block, racing camshaft, expensive tool, race tires, etec.etc.etc." Now that's reality!! Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, NM -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 8:35 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] A.R.E. TR6 HS on Speed Reality Show "HARD PARTS" FOT: This comes from Sean Alexander. I also heard about this from CMS's Gary Hunter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Watch the reality show Hard Parts South Bronx episode Vapor Locked. Saturday at 9pm central time on SPEED 07/28 | 10:00pm ET Vapor Locked The show designs a heat shield for 1972 TVR that has a TR6 engine in it that has a vapor lock problem...he goes thru the process of a mock-up card board model template and then having one hand fabed from alum that looks almost identical to ours......long story short the close up when they instal it on the car its not the alum one he had hand fabed but is clearly our stainless steel one because you can see the the "E" of the "ARE" logo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- BTW, the original design for this Heat Shield was borrowed from an aluminum one that IRV KOREY had on his TR6 from the early 70s. We refined the design and changed the material to Stainless Steel and put it on production equipment. THANKS IRV! Joe A. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri Jul 27 18:58:15 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid inside the car (driver's floor) In-Reply-To: <005901cd6a94$c40be3b0$4c23ab10$@com> References: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> <005901cd6a94$c40be3b0$4c23ab10$@com> Message-ID: <1343437095.14006.YahooMailRC@web184805.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Does this mean that the master cylinder needs rebuilding? If so, what is the situation with the brake booster? Is it likely to have gotten contaminated or is it only possible that it did? From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Fri Jul 27 19:00:32 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 18:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake fluid in the car (driver's side floor) In-Reply-To: <005901cd6a94$c40be3b0$4c23ab10$@com> References: <000001cd6a93$1dc8ad40$595a07c0$@net> <005901cd6a94$c40be3b0$4c23ab10$@com> Message-ID: <1343437232.28445.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> By the way, this is a 74 TR6. Thanks, Jim From clw2000 at msn.com Sun Jul 29 06:31:03 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 08:31:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Golden Gate Races Message-ID: I believe there was some interest on the list recently about the old Golden Gate Park races. I ran across this magazine for sale on Ebay for $8 which apparently has an article about it so I thought I'd pass it along http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130738964057&ssPageName=AD ME:B:SS:US:1123 or, on Ebay, search: Motorsport sept 1952 le mans 24 hour race-nascar-hill climb-ulster trophy race Thanks, Chuck Watson Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 29 08:31:06 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 10:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY " SPITFIRE & GT6" MAGAZINE - FOT FEATURED Message-ID: <8CF3BADEC9021AA-30C-1C9B4@webmail-d167.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Courtesy of the editor, I got a preview of the upcoming magazine issue. There is a SPITFIRE featured on the cover of the magazine while on the grid, surrounded by several other well know TRIUMPHS. The article is well crafted and features a large number of pictures of our race cars. Howard Baugues, EDITOR, is also this year's president of NORTH AMERICAN SPITFIRE SQUADRON. I have also invited him and his NASS organization to the 2013 Kastner Cup at Road America next September. We have had a substantial increase in interest in Spitfires & GT6s in vintage racing. Perhaps we can draw a few more racers from the ranks of NASS. Seems like a good thing for all of us. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From levilevi at comcast.net Sun Jul 29 11:43:06 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 11:43:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Bought a trailer Message-ID: <14C97944-6D1E-4C9A-AA54-2DD08BF1BB4E@comcast.net> List, Thanks to everyone for providing great input on trailers and what to look for. I bought a 18 ft. Featherlite 3110 all aluminum trailer and the seller delivered it to my house today. The trailer has only a few thousand miles on it and it's in great shape. It only weights 1400 lbs. with a 7000 lb towing capacity. The ramps are 6 ft. and very light and easy to handle. The tires are like new and it has a couple of nice options (wind shield, tool box, ball lock, locks for ramps) And I don't have buyer's remorse unlike a lot of things I've bought...I'm actually pretty stoked. http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/Featherlite%203110%20trailer/ I have always admired the Featherlite trailers so now I finally have one. I went with an open trailer for less wind resistance and buffeting so hopefully the gas mileage won't suffer as much as with an enclosed trailer. I'll be towing mostly around Colorado until I get too old to drive to VTR and then the TR6 will probably be hauled on it. Until then it should work for towing a race car to the local races. I went with all aluminum for the low maintenance and that the light weight (about half of steel trailers the same size). I went for 18 ft. since everyone said it'd be easier to tie down the car than a shorter trailer. Crazy thing is the seller lived 1/2 a mile from me. One of the many great tips I got from the list was to take a 2x4 the same length as my wheelbase and put nails in the ends equal to my ground clearance. That really helped so I didn't have to drive the car onto every trailer I looked at to tell if it would drag or not (thanks to Duncan for that one). Thanks again for all the great ideas and input. It made this process much easier. Regards Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net From bkolnz at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 29 16:06:14 2012 From: bkolnz at sbcglobal.net (William Collins) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:06:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] No name aluminum flywheel Message-ID: <3F9DEA3A66774FA1BAEF10F4DBCA088A@bkolnzPC> I know this a stretch,, but I want to replace the 6.5" friction plate on my aluminum flywheel. It came off of a 1963 1147, and is now on my 1300 racer. I had some issues at the Mitty which Barry Munson (my pit dude for the week-end) helped me get through. That issue is fixed, but under the glass there seems to be some wear that I don't want to think about going forward. It has twelve fasteners, and other than that has no identifying markings. Any input would be appreciated. Bill Collins #8(1) yellow TX From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Jul 29 19:08:24 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 21:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Bought a trailer In-Reply-To: <14C97944-6D1E-4C9A-AA54-2DD08BF1BB4E@comcast.net> References: <14C97944-6D1E-4C9A-AA54-2DD08BF1BB4E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CF3C06F33201B5-DB0-256EE@web-mmc-m03.sysops.aol.com> Outstanding buy without the depreciation of a brand new one. Great Iowa product produced about one hour from me. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bud Rolofson To: FOT Sent: Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:46 pm Subject: [Fot] Bought a trailer List, Thanks to everyone for providing great input on trailers and what to look for. I bought a 18 ft. Featherlite 3110 all aluminum trailer and the seller delivered it to my house today. The trailer has only a few thousand miles on it and it's in great shape. It only weights 1400 lbs. with a 7000 lb towing capacity. The ramps are 6 ft. and very light and easy to handle. The tires are like new and it has a couple of nice options (wind shield, tool box, ball lock, locks for ramps) And I don't have buyer's remorse unlike a lot of things I've bought...I'm actually pretty stoked. http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/Featherlite%203110%20traile r/ I have always admired the Featherlite trailers so now I finally have one. I went with an open trailer for less wind resistance and buffeting so hopefully the gas mileage won't suffer as much as with an enclosed trailer. I'll be towing mostly around Colorado until I get too old to drive to VTR and then the TR6 will probably be hauled on it. Until then it should work for towing a race car to the local races. I went with all aluminum for the low maintenance and that the light weight (about half of steel trailers the same size). I went for 18 ft. since everyone said it'd be easier to tie down the car than a shorter trailer. Crazy thing is the seller lived 1/2 a mile from me. One of the many great tips I got from the list was to take a 2x4 the same length as my wheelbase and put nails in the ends equal to my ground clearance. That really helped so I didn't have to drive the car onto every trailer I looked at to tell if it would drag or not (thanks to Duncan for that one). Thanks again for all the great ideas and input. It made this process much easier. Regards Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From mmoore at wave1.net Mon Jul 30 06:59:53 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:59:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Southwick rear end Message-ID: <003801cd6e53$368fff40$a3affdc0$@net> My TR4 I just bought has a Southwick rear end and limited slip. The axle seals are leaking, probably from sitting for a few years and that is why my rear brakes are contaminated. Two questions: 1. Are the seals a different size or type than on a stock TR4, if so, where do I get them, and 2. Since this is not in my trusty Haynes manual, how do I remove the axles? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Jul 30 07:12:53 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:12:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Southwick rear end In-Reply-To: <003801cd6e53$368fff40$a3affdc0$@net> References: <003801cd6e53$368fff40$a3affdc0$@net> Message-ID: <55608B642F934351A20F8381F053F89B@gdhs.local> Southwick has them $87.96 309 949 2868 John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Moore Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 9:00 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Southwick rear end My TR4 I just bought has a Southwick rear end and limited slip. The axle seals are leaking, probably from sitting for a few years and that is why my rear brakes are contaminated. Two questions: 1. Are the seals a different size or type than on a stock TR4, if so, where do I get them, and 2. Since this is not in my trusty Haynes manual, how do I remove the axles? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Jul 30 07:15:45 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:15:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Southwick rear end In-Reply-To: <003801cd6e53$368fff40$a3affdc0$@net> References: <003801cd6e53$368fff40$a3affdc0$@net> Message-ID: <1343654145.75998.YahooMailRC@web185002.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Mike Most of us have the Southwick rear axle conversion in our cars. The axles themselves are quite easy to take out - undo the horseshoe shaped plate that bolts to the flange and pull. The bearings should be the sealed type, and the axle tube may also have a lip seal to keep differential oil from getting to the bearing. If you call Bob at Southwick he will have the replacement part #'s for you. 309-949-2868 Good luck Dennis My TR4 I just bought has a Southwick rear end and limited slip. The axle seals are leaking, probably from sitting for a few years and that is why my rear brakes are contaminated. Two questions: 1. Are the seals a different size or type than on a stock TR4, if so, where do I get them, and 2. Since this is not in my trusty Haynes manual, how do I remove the axles? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From wensley_tr at comcast.net Mon Jul 30 07:57:06 2012 From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 09:57:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Bought a trailer In-Reply-To: <14C97944-6D1E-4C9A-AA54-2DD08BF1BB4E@comcast.net> References: <14C97944-6D1E-4C9A-AA54-2DD08BF1BB4E@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000901cd6e5b$34a350d0$9de9f270$@net> You bought a trailer Wow is that like honey I bought a steering wheel can I get the car????? Craig -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud Rolofson Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:43 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Bought a trailer List, Thanks to everyone for providing great input on trailers and what to look for. I bought a 18 ft. Featherlite 3110 all aluminum trailer and the seller delivered it to my house today. The trailer has only a few thousand miles on it and it's in great shape. It only weights 1400 lbs. with a 7000 lb towing capacity. The ramps are 6 ft. and very light and easy to handle. The tires are like new and it has a couple of nice options (wind shield, tool box, ball lock, locks for ramps) And I don't have buyer's remorse unlike a lot of things I've bought...I'm actually pretty stoked. http://s1162.photobucket.com/albums/q532/levi3451/Featherlite%203110%20trail er/ I have always admired the Featherlite trailers so now I finally have one. I went with an open trailer for less wind resistance and buffeting so hopefully the gas mileage won't suffer as much as with an enclosed trailer. I'll be towing mostly around Colorado until I get too old to drive to VTR and then the TR6 will probably be hauled on it. Until then it should work for towing a race car to the local races. I went with all aluminum for the low maintenance and that the light weight (about half of steel trailers the same size). I went for 18 ft. since everyone said it'd be easier to tie down the car than a shorter trailer. Crazy thing is the seller lived 1/2 a mile from me. One of the many great tips I got from the list was to take a 2x4 the same length as my wheelbase and put nails in the ends equal to my ground clearance. That really helped so I didn't have to drive the car onto every trailer I looked at to tell if it would drag or not (thanks to Duncan for that one). Thanks again for all the great ideas and input. It made this process much easier. Regards Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wensley_tr at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Jul 30 11:37:02 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 13:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] calling RUSS WESTFALL Message-ID: <8CF3C9110526817-2F4-6A19@webmail-d043.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Jul 30 16:08:11 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Annual Charity Plea (resend) Message-ID: Hi, This is a re-send to FOT because I didn't see it posted there. Sorry if this is a duplicate. This message is SPAM, plain and simple. I'm looking for donations to my SCCA region's (New England Region) Race Against Leukemia (RAL). All the money goes to a 503C3 charity, it's 100% deductable. I get nothing from your donations except bragging rights. If I helped you in any way this year through pictures, stories, etc, please consider a donation in any amount. You can donate at the following web site: http://www.firstgiving.com/fundraiser/robert-lang-1/nerrace The race weekend is the first weekend in AUG, but the site will except donations for some time after that, if you get the urge later. ;-) Thanks in advance! Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Jul 30 21:47:55 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:47:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Caliifornia Air Message-ID: <1343706475.61265.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Guys: Just got in from "vacation" in Mexico and found the DVD in my held mail. Well worth the wait. Nicely done and produced. I especially like the ending. I love seeing Randy Williams using the car the way I thought it should be driven when I built it. Kas; thanks for honoring Randy and the car. Joe; thanks for all your work getting these great DVD's to us. -Ed- From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Jul 30 22:52:10 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 21:52:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Inaugural Race at The Ridge Motorsports Park Message-ID: <5017647A.1020909@comcast.net> It's not too often that you get to run the first race weekend at a new track. Patty had the opportunity this last weekend to run the first SCCA race at the new venue near Shelton Washington, The Ridge Motorsports Park. There were 4 Triumphs racing at the event, more than I have seen at a Northwest SCCA event in decades. Steve Hare was there in his Spitfire, Charlie Mitchell in his TR6, John James in his TR4 and Patty Norlin in our Spitfire. The weekend was not without issues, but the track was awesome from what I was told - I only took a couple of laps at low speed in an ancient Cortina. The facility is a work in progress, but the word was that the track owner, after seeing how crowded the paved pit areas were, decided that the next phase of pit paving would be double what they were planning to do. 2.5 miles, 16 turns, lots of elevation change and some really challenging turn sequences. Check out the video of the last lap and a half from Saturday's race. This is from our Spitfire with Patty driving. Charlie is in front, and you can catch glimpses of John in Patty's mirror. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9242GH0Ris&feature=plcp From rfdeanes at gmail.com Tue Jul 31 07:43:06 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:43:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Caliifornia Air In-Reply-To: <1343706475.61265.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1343706475.61265.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I also have recieved the DVD and watched it last night, it was great ! Lots of good footage and alot about Kas and all his hard work that we now are enjoying. Alot of interesting history on the 250K car and what it took to make it happen. Thanks to all that put this together...well worth the wait. And all the extra footage that we wouldn't have seen being in the pits keeping our cars going.Looks like it was made by MGM or someone simular. On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:47 PM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Guys: Just got in from "vacation" in Mexico and found the DVD in my held > mail. > Well worth the wait. Nicely done and produced. I especially like the > ending. I > love seeing Randy Williams using the car the way I thought it should be > driven > when I built it. Kas; thanks for honoring Randy and the car. Joe; thanks > for > all your work getting these great DVD's to us. > -Ed- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 31 07:48:34 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 09:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] CALIFORNIA AIR ONE MORE TIME Message-ID: <8CF3D3A4FC83DB4-FFC-D4B7@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> FOT: People have been traveling, out of touch, or working on their TRIUMPHS. Almost every day I have been getting another inquiry.....what's this "CALIFORNIA AIR"? One more time: It is a milestone documentary with Kas and his US/TRIUMPH FACTORY YEARS. It honors Kas' accomplishments with our TRIUMPHS It honors the FOT with footage from THE MITTY It is almost 2 hours long with other historic footage with interviews with factory personnel and US track footage. The artwork is something you will want to display on the shelf. This is no light weight amateur production and it will become more personally valuable with time. If you are on this list it's likely this DVD would be important to you. $28 including packaging and shipping. PayPal: n197tr4 at cs.com or check below Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Sat Jul 28 18:41:58 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 20:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Annual Charity Plea Message-ID: Hi, This message is SPAM, plain and simple. I'm looking for donations to my SCCA region's (New England Region) Race Against Leukemia (RAL). All the money goes to a 503C3 charity, it's 100% deductable. I get nothing from your donations except bragging rights. If I helped you in any way this year through pictures, stories, etc, please consider a donation in any amount. You can donate at the following web site: http://www.firstgiving.com/fundraiser/robert-lang-1/nerrace The race weekend is the first weekend in AUG, but the site will except donations for some time after that, if you get the urge later. ;-) Thanks in advance! Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 31 13:41:58 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Message-ID: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of 2014......................... Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' planning. We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the year....maybe later in the second half of the year. New tracks are candidates Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' efforts. I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are candidates. More choices and proposals are requested. Please step forward.....THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From clw2000 at msn.com Tue Jul 31 13:58:14 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:58:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Joe - I would love to see 2014 in the East again. I think the big Mitty FOT participation was partly due to location. I have seen some media about the brand new Atlanta Motorsports Park, which is apparently a first class new track that kindof operates like a country club. Maybe one the FOT is a member......they're at http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ Might make for a neat environment that's different than a festival. I think I could actually have a car ready for the 2014 event - I would hope so :) I'm a novice at all this but I'm happy to help out as needed. Thanks, Chuck Watson > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > > Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of > 2014......................... > > Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' > planning. > > We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the > year....maybe later in the second half of the year. > > New tracks are candidates > Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps > FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. > We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. > > Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. > Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' > efforts. > > I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are > candidates. > More choices and proposals are requested. > > Please step forward.....THANKS! > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 31 14:20:08 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING In-Reply-To: References: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF3D7103574CEE-FFC-12C16@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Charles, thanks for the note. Think 2015. It needs to be further west in 2014. THE MITTY was great and had great support with CMS. ===================================================================== Now for a few words on 2013 2013 at ROAD AMERICA is NOT a huge festival event, but has a lot of the features of one. But we will not have the benefit of big sponsorships.....always something, eh?. I say this because we may need to figure out a way to get some cash in the FOT coffers to support our efforts. I am thinking HOSPITALITY TENT and THURSDAY NITE HEAVY GRAZING. If there are any ideas about sponsors or ways of making some money for 2013, John Houlton and I would love to hear from you. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Charles WATSON To: n197tr4 ; FOT List Sent: Tue, Jul 31, 2012 2:58 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Joe - I would love to see 2014 in the East again. I think the big Mitty FOT participation was partly due to location. I have seen some media about the brand new Atlanta Motorsports Park, which is apparently a first class new track that kindof operates like a country club. Maybe one the FOT is a member......they're at http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ Might make for a neat environment that's different than a festival. I think I could actually have a car ready for the 2014 event - I would hope so :) I'm a novice at all this but I'm happy to help out as needed. Thanks, Chuck Watson > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > > Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of > 2014......................... > > Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' > planning. > > We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the > year....maybe later in the second half of the year. > > New tracks are candidates > Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps > FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. > We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. > > Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. > Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' > efforts. > > I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are > candidates. > More choices and proposals are requested. > > Please step forward.....THANKS! > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Jul 31 14:27:13 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:27:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1798055864.411415.1343766433328.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Some of us in the middle of the country would also like to see a K-Cup but that's no secret. jim g Colorado ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles WATSON" To: n197tr4 at cs.com, "FOT List" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:58:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Joe - I would love to see 2014 in the East again. B I think the big Mitty FOT participation was partly due to location. B I have seen some media about the brand new Atlanta Motorsports Park, which is apparently a first class new track that kindof operates like a country club. Maybe one the FOT is a member......they're at http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ B Might make for a neat environment that's different than a festival. B I think I could actually have a car ready for the 2014 event - I would hope so :) I'm a novice at all this but I'm happy to help out as needed. Thanks, Chuck Watson > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > > Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of > 2014......................... > > Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' > planning. > > We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the > year....maybe later in the second half of the year. > > New tracks are candidates > Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps > FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. > We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. > > Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. > Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' > efforts. > > I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are > candidates. > More choices and proposals are requested. > > Please step forward.....THANKS! > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue Jul 31 14:34:44 2012 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:34:44 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Message-ID: <7888325.1343766884970.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> AMP has a very serious, and low, sound limit. I did a survey of sound levels of VDCA cars at one of our events at Roebling Road. Many would have passed the AMP test but not all of them by any means. Mike Jackson - Race Director VDCA -----Original Message----- >From: Charles WATSON >Sent: Jul 31, 2012 3:58 PM >To: n197tr4 at cs.com, FOT List >Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > >Joe - > >I would love to see 2014 in the East again. I think the big Mitty FOT >participation was partly due to location. I have seen some media about the >brand new Atlanta Motorsports Park, which is apparently a first class new >track that kindof operates like a country club. Maybe one the FOT is a >member......they're at http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ Might make for >a neat environment that's different than a festival. I think I could actually >have a car ready for the 2014 event - I would hope so :) > >I'm a novice at all this but I'm happy to help out as needed. > >Thanks, > >Chuck Watson > > > > > > > > >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 >> Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ >> >> Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of >> 2014......................... >> >> Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' >> planning. >> >> We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the >> year....maybe later in the second half of the year. >> >> New tracks are candidates >> Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps >> FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. >> We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. >> >> Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. >> Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' >> efforts. >> >> I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are >> candidates. >> More choices and proposals are requested. >> >> Please step forward.....THANKS! >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/grandwazoo at earthlink.net From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Jul 31 15:53:00 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:53:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001e01cd6f66$db072bc0$91158340$@rogers.com> I am interested to know more about Russ Moore's brilliant plan?? Witness his efforts?...is it a secret? Thanks Paul MacDonald -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: July 31, 2012 3:42 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of 2014......................... Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' planning. We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the year....maybe later in the second half of the year. New tracks are candidates Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' efforts. I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are candidates. More choices and proposals are requested. Please step forward.....THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Tue Jul 31 16:11:30 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:11:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MG vs Triumph Event/Mosport June 2014 In-Reply-To: <001e01cd6f66$db072bc0$91158340$@rogers.com> References: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> <001e01cd6f66$db072bc0$91158340$@rogers.com> Message-ID: <001801cd6f69$6ffdb6c0$4ff92440$@rr.com> We're in the early stages and I have spent time with both the MGVR group and VARAC folks to get all on the same page as part of the planning stage for this event. The board of VARAC meets tomorrow and once we have their full approval I will divulge all to the group. I want to be sure I can deliver on what is in the works before making a general announcement. I ran the initial rough idea past a select few and that was step 1; someone let the cat out of the bag before it was ready. No worries, I see no impediments. All will be known once we get the official nod. It's no secret, I just want to be sure, simple as that. Give me 2 more days and all will be revealed and I'll be better able to give more and accurate information. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 5:53 PM To: 'Joe Alexander'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ I am interested to know more about Russ Moore's brilliant plan?? Witness his efforts?...is it a secret? Thanks Paul MacDonald -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: July 31, 2012 3:42 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of 2014......................... Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' planning. We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the year....maybe later in the second half of the year. New tracks are candidates Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' efforts. I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are candidates. More choices and proposals are requested. Please step forward.....THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From walt at hot-tr6.com Tue Jul 31 16:58:38 2012 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:58:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001cd6f70$06d31710$14794530$@hot-tr6.com> I wish to put in a strong plug for NAPA Speedway in Albuquerque, New Mexico for the 2014 Kastner Cup event. We have a nice 1.7 mile 14 corner technical road course that my local road race club uses. This track is located right off of I-40. The facilities are first class including lots of RV hook-ups. New Mexico has lots to offer when visitors are not on the racetrack. I have spoken to one of the owners of the track and he is very supportive of hosting this event. You can check out the speedway at: www.napaspeedway.com I can be your initial contact on this project if there is any interest. You can also check out some club racing at this track at our website: www.swms.com Thank You for your Consideration Walt Hollowell Albuquerque, New Mexico Ph 505 362-4350 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:42 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of 2014......................... Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' planning. We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the year....maybe later in the second half of the year. New tracks are candidates Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' efforts. I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are candidates. More choices and proposals are requested. Please step forward.....THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/walt at hot-tr6.com From cofrog at q.com Tue Jul 31 18:22:29 2012 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <1798055864.411415.1343766433328.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> I'm with Jim..... ----- Original Message ----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: "Charles WATSON" Cc: "FOT List" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:27:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Some of us in the middle of the country would also like to see a K-Cup but that's no secret. jim g Colorado ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles WATSON" To: n197tr4 at cs.com, "FOT List" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:58:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Joe - I would love to see 2014 in the East again. B I think the big Mitty FOT participation was partly due to location. B I have seen some media about the brand new Atlanta Motorsports Park, which is apparently a first class new track that kindof operates like a country club. Maybe one the FOT is a member......they're at http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ B Might make for a neat environment that's different than a festival. B I think I could actually have a car ready for the 2014 event - I would hope so :) I'm a novice at all this but I'm happy to help out as needed. Thanks, Chuck Watson > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > > Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of > 2014......................... > > Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' > planning. > > We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the > year....maybe later in the second half of the year. > > New tracks are candidates > Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps > FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. > We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. > > Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. > Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' > efforts. > > I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are > candidates. > More choices and proposals are requested. > > Please step forward.....THANKS! > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Jul 31 18:46:25 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:46:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <0DD3CBCB-1832-4419-ABFA-F821DCB5940A@comcast.net> I'm with Jim and Walt. New Mexico has lots to see and do when not racing and the Albuquerque area would be close relatively speaking for us Coloradans. Bud 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Jul 31, 2012, at 6:22 PM, cofrog at q.com wrote: > I'm with Jim..... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > To: "Charles WATSON" > Cc: "FOT List" > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:27:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > > Some of us in the middle of the country would also like to see a K- > Cup but > that's no secret. > > jim g > > Colorado > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Charles WATSON" > To: n197tr4 at cs.com, "FOT List" > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:58:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > > Joe - > > I would love to see 2014 in the East again. B I think the big Mitty > FOT > participation was partly due to location. B I have seen some media > about the > brand new Atlanta Motorsports Park, which is apparently a first > class new > track that kindof operates like a country club. Maybe one the FOT is a > member......they're at http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ B > Might make for > a neat environment that's different than a festival. B I think I could > actually > have a car ready for the 2014 event - I would hope so :) > > I'm a novice at all this but I'm happy to help out as needed. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > > > >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> From: n197tr4 at cs.com >> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 >> Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ >> >> Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of >> 2014......................... >> >> Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict >> with Russ' >> planning. >> >> We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the >> year....maybe later in the second half of the year. >> >> New tracks are candidates >> Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps >> FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. >> We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. >> >> Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North >> America. >> Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness >> Russ' >> efforts. >> >> I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are >> candidates. >> More choices and proposals are requested. >> >> Please step forward.....THANKS! >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ >> clw2000 at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From horizonracing at msn.com Tue Jul 31 19:43:37 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (horizonracing at msn.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:43:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> References: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: My hope would be the HMSA event as the NAS coronardo in San Diego. Perfect weather, great location. The track it self is averge, but the event as a whole is wonderful. The race event is part of 'Fleet weeks". This years date is sept. 21-23. Tony Garmey Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID -----Original message----- From: cofrog at q.com To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Cc: FOT List Sent: Tue, Jul 31, 2012 17:22:29 PDT Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ I'm with Jim..... ----- Original Message ----- From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net To: "Charles WATSON" Cc: "FOT List" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:27:13 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Some of us in the middle of the country would also like to see a K-Cup but that's no secret. jim g Colorado ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles WATSON" To: n197tr4 at cs.com, "FOT List" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:58:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Joe - I would love to see 2014 in the East again. B I think the big Mitty FOT participation was partly due to location. B I have seen some media about the brand new Atlanta Motorsports Park, which is apparently a first class new track that kindof operates like a country club. Maybe one the FOT is a member......they're at http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ B Might make for a neat environment that's different than a festival. B I think I could actually have a car ready for the 2014 event - I would hope so :) I'm a novice at all this but I'm happy to help out as needed. Thanks, Chuck Watson > To: fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:41:58 -0400 > Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > > Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of > 2014......................... > > Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' > planning. > > We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the > year....maybe later in the second half of the year. > > New tracks are candidates > Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps > FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. > We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. > > Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. > Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' > efforts. > > I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are > candidates. > More choices and proposals are requested. > > Please step forward.....THANKS! > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/cofrog at q.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Tue Jul 31 20:56:34 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:56:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ Message-ID: <6g6nwaa4qpjv28ntm23tj52e.1343789794718@email.android.com> I would like to offer up a CVAR event at the relatively new and technical Eagles Canyon raceway in north Texas but we only have one date a year there and it is in May.B ECR has a covered paddock that we could likely secure for the whole FOT gang and we have a couple of north TX FOT who could coordinate (there I go volunteering folks again.....) We also have Hallett in October but we have held the cup there once and we didn't get enough cars to justify another stab at that one.B Sent from my Samsung Galaxy TabJoe Alexander wrote:Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of 2014......................... Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' planning. We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the year....maybe later in the second half of the year. New tracks are candidates Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' efforts. I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are candidates. More choices and proposals are requested. Please step forward.....THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711B (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue Jul 31 19:57:43 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:57:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <0DD3CBCB-1832-4419-ABFA-F821DCB5940A@comcast.net> References: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> <0DD3CBCB-1832-4419-ABFA-F821DCB5940A@comcast.net> Message-ID: <50188D17.8030405@comcast.net> New Mexico is about a 1500 mile tow from Portland, but one I'd be willing to make. I've not spent a lot of time in the area and have heard great things. My suggestion for a left coast venue would be Thunderhill. Challenging track and a great facility. Jim On 7/31/2012 5:46 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote: > I'm with Jim and Walt. New Mexico has lots to see and do when not > racing and the Albuquerque area would be close relatively speaking for > us Coloradans. > > Bud From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue Jul 31 20:01:29 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:01:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: References: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> Message-ID: <50188DF9.5050407@comcast.net> And Tony's got another good thought. Don't know much about it, but I've heard good things about the "event". On 7/31/2012 6:43 PM, horizonracing at msn.com wrote: > My hope would be the HMSA event as the NAS coronardo in San Diego. Perfect > weather, great location. The track it self is averge, but the event as a > whole is wonderful. The race event is part of 'Fleet weeks". This years > date is sept. 21-23. > Tony Garmey > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Tue Jul 31 20:15:48 2012 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <8CF3D6BAE83CFB1-FFC-127B3@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1343787348.4722.YahooMailClassic@web111416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Twenty fourteen being the 55th anniversary of the Mini, there is a huge Can-Am Mini Challenge race being planned for Mosport in June of 2014. Can one venue handle two Marque features? I would suggest someplace else for that year. Ken Suhre --- On Tue, 7/31/12, Joe Alexander wrote: From: Joe Alexander Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2012, 2:41 PM Russ Moore has a brilliant plan for TRIUMPHS at MOSPORT in June of 2014......................... Kas and I are targeting dates and a venue that does not conflict with Russ' planning. We are looking at the SOUTH and WEST and in the second half of the year....maybe later in the second half of the year. New tracks are candidates Probability of good weather is a plus....no 90 - 100 degree temps FESTIVAL EVENTS have never been a requirement. We dont need to have 50 TRIUMPHS entered to have a good time.. Geographically, it just isnt possible to satisfy all of North America. Having one big event each year has never been a goal.....witness Russ' efforts. I have had two FOT folks step forward for 2014 and both proposals are candidates. More choices and proposals are requested. Please step forward.....THANKS! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kenandtweety at yahoo.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Tue Jul 31 20:23:21 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:23:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: References: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> <0DD3CBCB-1832-4419-ABFA-F821DCB5940A@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8A4539D4-F48A-4291-872D-557E7B770081@yahoo.com> > I like that we are discussing this now. Helps with the planning moving forward. > > I agree with the Bud, Jim, Dan, and Walt. Either NM or CO would have a large draw due to pent up demand and the activities/tourist attractions in the area. Lots to do in addition to racing. Heck, why not hold it around the Pikes Peak Hill Climb? That is an event you have to see live at least once. > > Since Topeka, many of us in the mountain states have not been able to make the very long tows to Laguna Seca and the Mitty. And Road America is quite a tow as well. We could definitely field a large event if we combined it with one of the RMVR club races or did a closer tow to Albuquerque. > > Just a few ideas to consider moving forward. > > Ty > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) From jason at multivintage.com Tue Jul 31 20:29:46 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 02:29:46 +0000 Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <8A4539D4-F48A-4291-872D-557E7B770081@yahoo.com> References: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> <0DD3CBCB-1832-4419-ABFA-F821DCB5940A@comcast.net> <8A4539D4-F48A-4291-872D-557E7B770081@yahoo.com> Message-ID: We are all planning on you rocky mountain guys being at Road America. No excuses. Start planning now. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:23:21 To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > I like that we are discussing this now. Helps with the planning moving forward. > > I agree with the Bud, Jim, Dan, and Walt. Either NM or CO would have a large draw due to pent up demand and the activities/tourist attractions in the area. Lots to do in addition to racing. Heck, why not hold it around the Pikes Peak Hill Climb? That is an event you have to see live at least once. > > Since Topeka, many of us in the mountain states have not been able to make the very long tows to Laguna Seca and the Mitty. And Road America is quite a tow as well. We could definitely field a large event if we combined it with one of the RMVR club races or did a closer tow to Albuquerque. > > Just a few ideas to consider moving forward. > > Ty > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Jul 31 20:45:52 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 22:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ In-Reply-To: <20120801023618.1ECD72D02C0@autox.team.net> References: <91787312.440023.1343780549795.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> <0DD3CBCB-1832-4419-ABFA-F821DCB5940A@comcast.net> <8A4539D4-F48A-4291-872D-557E7B770081@yahoo.com> <20120801023618.1ECD72D02C0@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CF3DA6E641633D-FFC-14ACF@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com> good point Jason...... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: jason To: Tylerpthompson ; fot-bounces Cc: FOT List Sent: Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:38 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ We are all planning on you rocky mountain guys being at Road America. No excuses. Start planning now. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:23:21 To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PLANNING FOR 2014 - PLEASE READ > I like that we are discussing this now. Helps with the planning moving forward. > > I agree with the Bud, Jim, Dan, and Walt. Either NM or CO would have a large draw due to pent up demand and the activities/tourist attractions in the area. Lots to do in addition to racing. Heck, why not hold it around the Pikes Peak Hill Climb? That is an event you have to see live at least once. > > Since Topeka, many of us in the mountain states have not been able to make the very long tows to Laguna Seca and the Mitty. And Road America is quite a tow as well. We could definitely field a large event if we combined it with one of the RMVR club races or did a closer tow to Albuquerque. > > Just a few ideas to consider moving forward. > > Ty > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com