From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Feb 26 23:51:32 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 23:51:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sorry for the intrusion
Message-ID: <4F4B27F4.8060302@bradakis.com>

Another test.

mjb.

From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Feb 27 02:04:06 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 02:04:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] What fun
Message-ID: <4F4B4706.9090303@bradakis.com>

Working on some major Team.Net upgrades.  I'd rather be
getting a Triumph ready for the coming summer.

mjb.

From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Mon Feb 27 06:19:01 2012
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:19:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
In-Reply-To: <029097ab-52f8-4356-ae0e-fa2f1689a9f3@blur>
Message-ID: <1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Scott:
Your's was the only set of axles from the original 10-20 sets built by
Summer's to my specs that failed.  If I remember correctly, you had hit a curb
earlier in the day, which we thought may have dammaged the axles. In the
original design there is no taper between the hub and the axle.
The next year I gave the design to Mr's Summer's because I didn't want to dink
with axles anymore. Of course, since then time has taken it's toll...Summer's
Brothers has changed hands (twice) and the waters have been poluted. I ordered
two sets from the then owner of Summer's four years ago and what we received
from them was not the original design. The bearings have been changed to a
smaller size, and the axle is not retained in the housing in the same
manner. One of those two sets is currently experiencing issues thay may affect
it's performance. Truly disappointing.
Right now, the Chuck Gee designed, Joe Siam sold, (and sadly when last
checked, Summer's built) axles are the best design out there. Where as the
original design/built axles I did were in the $900-$1,200 range, Chuck's
design, being more extensive, is a bit more pricey. But, what price safety. If
I were building today I would use Chuck's design. The ones I did filled the
void that existed in 2001-2.
JMTC
-Ed-   

--- On Sat, 2/25/12, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:


From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
To: "Steven Groh" <sgroh1 at comcast.net>, fot at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 4:26 PM


Yes, my warning sign was a loud bang and a sudden tilt of the horizon 45 
degrees to port, followed by a 720-snap spin.  Hard to miss. 

Scott B.

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
www.mccarty-law.com

-----Original message-----
From: Steven Groh <sgroh1 at comcast.net>
To: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 21:41:27 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Mon Feb 27 06:33:28 2012
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:33:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
Message-ID: <31197902.1330349608255.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Guys I do have axles in stock. Thanks  Joe


-----Original Message-----
>From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
>Sent: Feb 27, 2012 5:19 AM
>To: Steven Groh <sgroh1 at comcast.net>, fot at autox.team.net, ScottBarr <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
>
>Scott:
>Your's was the only set of axles from the original 10-20 sets built by
>Summer's to my specs that failed.  If I remember correctly, you had hit a curb
>earlier in the day, which we thought may have dammaged the axles. In the
>original design there is no taper between the hub and the axle.
>The next year I gave the design to Mr's Summer's because I didn't want to dink
>with axles anymore. Of course, since then time has taken it's toll...Summer's
>Brothers has changed hands (twice) and the waters have been poluted. I ordered
>two sets from the then owner of Summer's four years ago and what we received
>from them was not the original design. The bearings have been changed to a
>smaller size, and the axle is not retained in the housing in the same
>manner. One of those two sets is currently experiencing issues thay may affect
>it's performance. Truly disappointing.
>Right now, the Chuck Gee designed, Joe Siam sold, (and sadly when last
>checked, Summer's built) axles are the best design out there. Where as the
>original design/built axles I did were in the $900-$1,200 range, Chuck's
>design, being more extensive, is a bit more pricey. But, what price safety. If
>I were building today I would use Chuck's design. The ones I did filled the
>void that existed in 2001-2.
>JMTC
>-Ed-   
>
>--- On Sat, 2/25/12, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:
>
>
>From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
>To: "Steven Groh" <sgroh1 at comcast.net>, fot at autox.team.net
>Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 4:26 PM
>
>
>Yes, my warning sign was a loud bang and a sudden tilt of the horizon 45 
>degrees to port, followed by a 720-snap spin.  Hard to miss. 
>
>Scott B.
>
>Scott Barr
>McCarty Law LLP
>(920) 257-2233
>www.mccarty-law.com
>
>-----Original message-----
>From: Steven Groh <sgroh1 at comcast.net>
>To: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 21:41:27 GMT+00:00
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
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Joseph P. Siam
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Chatsworth Ca 91311
818 350 6222

From horizonracing at msn.com  Mon Feb 27 07:26:42 2012
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 06:26:42 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
In-Reply-To: <1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <029097ab-52f8-4356-ae0e-fa2f1689a9f3@blur>,
	<1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT141-W37FF90DBFAC197B4279CAFB2690@phx.gbl>

How long were the axles in service ? when were they last Crack checked ?

> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:19:01 -0800
> From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net
> To: sgroh1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net; sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
>
> Scott:
> Your's was the only set of axles from the original 10-20 sets built by
> Summer's to my specs that failed.  If I remember correctly, you had hit a
curb
> earlier in the day, which we thought may have dammaged the axles. In the
> original design there is no taper between the hub and the axle.
> The next year I gave the design to Mr's Summer's because I didn't want to
dink
> with axles anymore. Of course, since then time has taken it's
toll...Summer's
> Brothers has changed hands (twice) and the waters have been poluted. I
ordered
> two sets from the then owner of Summer's four years ago and what we
received
> from them was not the original design. The bearings have been changed to a
> smaller size, and the axle is not retained in the housing in the same
> manner. One of those two sets is currently experiencing issues thay may
affect
> it's performance. Truly disappointing.
> Right now, the Chuck Gee designed, Joe Siam sold, (and sadly when last
> checked, Summer's built) axles are the best design out there. Where as the
> original design/built axles I did were in the $900-$1,200 range, Chuck's
> design, being more extensive, is a bit more pricey. But, what price safety.
If
> I were building today I would use Chuck's design. The ones I did filled the
> void that existed in 2001-2.
> JMTC
> -Ed-
>
> --- On Sat, 2/25/12, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
> To: "Steven Groh" <sgroh1 at comcast.net>, fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 4:26 PM
>
>
> Yes, my warning sign was a loud bang and a sudden tilt of the horizon 45
> degrees to port, followed by a 720-snap spin.  Hard to miss.
>
> Scott B.
>
> Scott Barr
> McCarty Law LLP
> (920) 257-2233
> www.mccarty-law.com
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: Steven Groh <sgroh1 at comcast.net>
> To: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
> Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 21:41:27 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon Feb 27 08:15:39 2012
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 09:15:39 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
In-Reply-To: <1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <029097ab-52f8-4356-ae0e-fa2f1689a9f3@blur>
	<1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8799@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

<< If I remember correctly, you had hit a curb earlier in the day >>

Nope.  Must be somebody else.  There are no curbs of that sort around
Blackhawk.

I certainly didn't mean to criticize your design, Ed.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 7:19 AM
To: Steven Groh; fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?

Scott:
Your's was the only set of axles from the original 10-20 sets built by
Summer's to my specs that failed.  If I remember correctly, you had hit
a curb earlier in the day, which we thought may have dammaged the axles.
In the original design there is no taper between the hub and the axle.
The next year I gave the design to Mr's Summer's because I didn't want
to dink with axles anymore. Of course, since then time has taken it's
toll...Summer's Brothers has changed hands (twice) and the waters have
been poluted. I ordered two sets from the then owner of Summer's four
years ago and what we received from them was not the original design.
The bearings have been changed to a smaller size, and the axle is not
retained in the housing in the same manner. One of those two sets is
currently experiencing issues thay may affect it's performance. Truly
disappointing.
Right now, the Chuck Gee designed, Joe Siam sold, (and sadly when last
checked, Summer's built) axles are the best design out there. Where as
the original design/built axles I did were in the $900-$1,200 range,
Chuck's design, being more extensive, is a bit more pricey. But, what
price safety. If I were building today I would use Chuck's design. The
ones I did filled the void that existed in 2001-2.
JMTC
-Ed-

--- On Sat, 2/25/12, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:


From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
To: "Steven Groh" <sgroh1 at comcast.net>, fot at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 4:26 PM


Yes, my warning sign was a loud bang and a sudden tilt of the horizon 45
degrees to port, followed by a 720-snap spin.  Hard to miss.

Scott B.

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
www.mccarty-law.com

-----Original message-----
From: Steven Groh <sgroh1 at comcast.net>
To: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 21:41:27 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon Feb 27 08:18:37 2012
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 09:18:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
In-Reply-To: <SNT141-W37FF90DBFAC197B4279CAFB2690@phx.gbl>
References: <029097ab-52f8-4356-ae0e-fa2f1689a9f3@blur>,
	<1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT141-W37FF90DBFAC197B4279CAFB2690@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD879A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

<< How long were the axles in service ? when were they last Crack
checked ?  >>



Approximately three years.  I didn't crack-check them during that time.



Scott





From: Tony and Annie Garmey [mailto:horizonracing at msn.com]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 8:27 AM
To: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; sgroh1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net;
Barr, Scott
Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?



How long were the axles in service ? when were they last Crack checked ?



> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:19:01 -0800
> From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net
> To: sgroh1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net; sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
>
> Scott:
> Your's was the only set of axles from the original 10-20 sets built by
> Summer's to my specs that failed. If I remember correctly, you had hit
a curb
> earlier in the day, which we thought may have dammaged the axles. In
the
> original design there is no taper between the hub and the axle.
> The next year I gave the design to Mr's Summer's because I didn't want
to dink
> with axles anymore. Of course, since then time has taken it's
toll...Summer's
> Brothers has changed hands (twice) and the waters have been poluted. I
ordered
> two sets from the then owner of Summer's four years ago and what we
received
> from them was not the original design. The bearings have been changed
to a
> smaller size, and the axle is not retained in the housing in the same
> manner. One of those two sets is currently experiencing issues thay
may affect
> it's performance. Truly disappointing.
> Right now, the Chuck Gee designed, Joe Siam sold, (and sadly when last
> checked, Summer's built) axles are the best design out there. Where as
the
> original design/built axles I did were in the $900-$1,200 range,
Chuck's
> design, being more extensive, is a bit more pricey. But, what price
safety. If
> I were building today I would use Chuck's design. The ones I did
filled the
> void that existed in 2001-2.
> JMTC
> -Ed-
>
> --- On Sat, 2/25/12, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
> To: "Steven Groh" <sgroh1 at comcast.net>, fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 4:26 PM
>
>
> Yes, my warning sign was a loud bang and a sudden tilt of the horizon
45
> degrees to port, followed by a 720-snap spin. Hard to miss.
>
> Scott B.

From horizonracing at msn.com  Mon Feb 27 08:54:30 2012
From: horizonracing at msn.com (horizonracing at msn.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:54:30 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD879A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <029097ab-52f8-4356-ae0e-fa2f1689a9f3@blur>,
	<1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT141-W37FF90DBFAC197B4279CAFB2690@phx.gbl>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD879A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP26B5C790EAAC238E55207BB2690@phx.gbl>

Can you decribe the crack/break. is it a clean shear? Can you see a lot of  
small lines across the face(s) ? Dirty at the point of failure? 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

-----Original message-----
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: Tony and Annie Garmey <horizonracing at msn.com>,  
edwardbarnard at prodigy.net, sgroh1 at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2012 07:18:37 PST
Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?

<< How long were the axles in service ? when were they last Crack
checked ?  >>

 

Approximately three years.  I didn't crack-check them during that time.

 

Scott

 

 

From: Tony and Annie Garmey [mailto:horizonracing at msn.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 8:27 AM
To: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; sgroh1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net;
Barr, Scott
Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?

 

How long were the axles in service ? when were they last Crack checked ?

 

> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:19:01 -0800
> From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net
> To: sgroh1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net; sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
> 
> Scott:
> Your's was the only set of axles from the original 10-20 sets built by
> Summer's to my specs that failed. If I remember correctly, you had hit
a curb
> earlier in the day, which we thought may have dammaged the axles. In
the
> original design there is no taper between the hub and the axle.
> The next year I gave the design to Mr's Summer's because I didn't want
to dink
> with axles anymore. Of course, since then time has taken it's
toll...Summer's
> Brothers has changed hands (twice) and the waters have been poluted. I
ordered
> two sets from the then owner of Summer's four years ago and what we
received
> from them was not the original design. The bearings have been changed
to a
> smaller size, and the axle is not retained in the housing in the same
> manner. One of those two sets is currently experiencing issues thay
may affect
> it's performance. Truly disappointing.
> Right now, the Chuck Gee designed, Joe Siam sold, (and sadly when last
> checked, Summer's built) axles are the best design out there. Where as
the
> original design/built axles I did were in the $900-$1,200 range,
Chuck's
> design, being more extensive, is a bit more pricey. But, what price
safety. If
> I were building today I would use Chuck's design. The ones I did
filled the
> void that existed in 2001-2.
> JMTC
> -Ed- 
> 
> --- On Sat, 2/25/12, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
> To: "Steven Groh" <sgroh1 at comcast.net>, fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 4:26 PM
> 
> 
> Yes, my warning sign was a loud bang and a sudden tilt of the horizon
45 
> degrees to port, followed by a 720-snap spin. Hard to miss. 
> 
> Scott B.

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon Feb 27 09:16:05 2012
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:16:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP26B5C790EAAC238E55207BB2690@phx.gbl>
References: <029097ab-52f8-4356-ae0e-fa2f1689a9f3@blur>,
	<1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT141-W37FF90DBFAC197B4279CAFB2690@phx.gbl>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD879A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP26B5C790EAAC238E55207BB2690@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD879E@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Going solely by memory hereb&

 

IIRC, we concluded there was a small inclusion.  Starting there, we had small beach marks out to the larger fracture point.  No rust in the fracture.

 

Scott B.

 

From: horizonracing at msn.com [mailto:horizonracing at msn.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 9:55 AM
To: Barr, Scott; sgroh1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net; edwardbarnard at prodigy.net
Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?

 

Can you decribe the crack/break. is it a clean shear? Can you see a lot of small lines across the face(s) ? Dirty at the point of failure? 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID



-----Original message-----

From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: Tony and Annie Garmey <horizonracing at msn.com>, edwardbarnard at prodigy.net, sgroh1 at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2012 07:18:37 PST
Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?

<< How long were the axles in service ? when were they last Crack checked ?  >>

 

Approximately three years.  I didnbt crack-check them during that time.

 

Scott

 

 

From: Tony and Annie Garmey [mailto:horizonracing at msn.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 8:27 AM
To: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; sgroh1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott
Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?

 

How long were the axles in service ? when were they last Crack checked ? 

From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Feb 27 11:40:34 2012
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:40:34 -0800
Subject: [Fot] German made Healy-like sportscar
Message-ID: <FFC84E725E174829A6E4A73E578F9778@Charly>

I was looking at some videos Chris Marx sent of the new track in Germany and
came across this.  Chris says this is the one of the best selling sportscars
in Germany, next to the Porsche.

http://www.wiesmann.com/en

Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Mon Feb 27 15:49:35 2012
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:49:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] Axle kit
Message-ID: <7789503.1330382975673.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Tim, Yes 7/16 ARP studs installed total flange to flange is approx 19 3/8
There is a spacer that can be shortened to narrow the track or fit a longer
one to increase you track.  Cost of the axle set as seen on my web site is
$2000.00 It comes with everything you need to install.  thanks  Joe


-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Pettenati <pettenat at pacbell.net>
>Sent: Feb 27, 2012 7:31 AM
>To: Joseph Siam <jsiam1 at earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: Axle kit
>
>Joe,
>
>Are wheel studs included?B  If so what size? If not what is the lug bolt hole
>size in the hub?B  I'm using 7/16 and would like to keep that size.
>
>Do you have an overall length measurement.B  I have an early Spit, that may
have
>been fitted with longer axles.B  I'd like to match what I currently have.B 
So a
>total length flange to hub would be most useful.B  I'll be able to provide
mine
>later today.
>
>What would my 'Racer ' price be for the kit?
>
>Thanks,
>Tim
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Joseph Siam <jsiam1 at earthlink.net>
>To: fot at autox.team.net; sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
>Sent: Mon, February 27, 2012 5:33:28 AM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
>
>Hi Guys I do have axles in stock. ThanksB  Joe


Chequered Flag Racing .net
Joseph P. Siam
9833 Deering Ave unit I
Chatsworth Ca 91311
818 350 6222

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Feb 27 16:02:51 2012
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:02:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Bob Goes for a SAT Ride
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1202271802280.28435@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

Check out this in-car vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JBqlqyWt0Q&feature=youtu.be

To some, putting a Toyota engine in a Triumph is outright sacrilige, but this 
car is proof-positive that you can make a great handling FAST Triumph for a lot 
less $$$ than you might think.

In any case, enjoy!

regards,
rml
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Feb 28 01:19:06 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 01:19:06 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Fot] Server updates
Message-ID: <20120228081906.A61042E0C2@bradakis.com>

The mailing lists should be working again as you've probably noticed
over the last day or so.  The mailman pages at
http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo also seem to be working better.

Still having issues with the forums, though now the error messages
are different.  I guess that's progress ;-)  And there are some
issues with the archives getting rebuilt.  What fun when switching
to all sorts of new software version, updated operating system, new
hardware ....

If you do have troubles with your subscriptions and the web interface
let me know, I'll work on getting things resolved.  Right now I think I'll
watch some cooking videos to relax before I head off to bed.


mjb.

From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Tue Feb 28 09:53:27 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:53:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
Message-ID: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>

Lots of good news on the Mitty!

The schedule will be out within the next two weeks. The Kastner Cup race 
will be Satuday early afternoon.

We will be running our own run group. I have been asked if we mind if they 
put some MG's in with us, I told them our numbers show we have a full grid, 
and we would prefer to keep all Triumph powered cars. I am pushing hard for 
an all-Triumph grid, our best shot for that is for everyone going to send in 
your entry as soon as possible! As previously reported, we have a special 
exception to HSR's refund policy, if you pre-register and for some reason 
can't run, a full cash refund up to the time you unload at the track.

We are all invited to run the Classic Motorsports Enduro Sunday morning, no 
additional cost! CMS is working on some sort of Triumph - MG Challenge 
during the enduro to showcase the long standing rivaly.

Bob Lang has volunteered to be our official Photographer, (thanks Bob!) and 
has full photographer credentials, so we should get some great shots. We are 
planning on doing another panoramic photo of the race cars.

If you get a Triumph street car to Road Atlanta, you will get to drive the 
track at lunchtime. The Georgia Trumphs Association is putting on an event 
at the track and has a super deal going for access to the track all weekend 
and a participants choice car show. Look here: 
http://www.gatriumph.com/walter_mitty.htm

Stay tuned, more to come!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Feb 28 10:16:09 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:16:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
In-Reply-To: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <8CEC453CBF3989A-1AF4-2D8A@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com>

 Having the Kastner Cup on Saturday is just excellent, methinks.

The Enduro on Sunday morning at no added cost sounds very good.

Not sure what is scheduled in the afternoon, but that might be an option for
long tow guys to leave early to get back to work. I know this might apply to
my family.

YUP, time to get entries in. There is no reason left not to.

Not sure what this MG VS TR stuff is about.....doesnt sound very attractive.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:53 am
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates


Lots of good news on the Mitty!

The schedule will be out within the next two weeks. The Kastner Cup race
will be Satuday early afternoon.

We will be running our own run group. I have been asked if we mind if they
put some MG's in with us, I told them our numbers show we have a full grid,
and we would prefer to keep all Triumph powered cars. I am pushing hard for
an all-Triumph grid, our best shot for that is for everyone going to send in
your entry as soon as possible! As previously reported, we have a special
exception to HSR's refund policy, if you pre-register and for some reason
can't run, a full cash refund up to the time you unload at the track.

We are all invited to run the Classic Motorsports Enduro Sunday morning, no
additional cost! CMS is working on some sort of Triumph - MG Challenge
during the enduro to showcase the long standing rivaly.

Bob Lang has volunteered to be our official Photographer, (thanks Bob!) and
has full photographer credentials, so we should get some great shots. We are
planning on doing another panoramic photo of the race cars.

If you get a Triumph street car to Road Atlanta, you will get to drive the
track at lunchtime. The Georgia Trumphs Association is putting on an event
at the track and has a super deal going for access to the track all weekend
and a participants choice car show. Look here:
http://www.gatriumph.com/walter_mitty.htm

Stay tuned, more to come!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 28 11:06:04 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:06:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
In-Reply-To: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <C95BCE44-DFA3-4AD1-BF42-1701DBFE5D71@yahoo.com>

Do they still have the Anglo-American challenge race and will we be able to
run in it? I had a blast driving in that race one year. It really gets the
attention of the American V8 cars when the lowly British cars pass them in the
turns!

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 28, 2012, at 10:53 AM, <yellow04 at tr4racer.com> wrote:

> Lots of good news on the Mitty!
>
> The schedule will be out within the next two weeks. The Kastner Cup race
> will be Satuday early afternoon.
>
> We will be running our own run group. I have been asked if we mind if they
> put some MG's in with us, I told them our numbers show we have a full grid,
> and we would prefer to keep all Triumph powered cars. I am pushing hard for
> an all-Triumph grid, our best shot for that is for everyone going to send in
> your entry as soon as possible! As previously reported, we have a special
> exception to HSR's refund policy, if you pre-register and for some reason
> can't run, a full cash refund up to the time you unload at the track.
>
> We are all invited to run the Classic Motorsports Enduro Sunday morning, no
> additional cost! CMS is working on some sort of Triumph - MG Challenge
> during the enduro to showcase the long standing rivaly.
>
> Bob Lang has volunteered to be our official Photographer, (thanks Bob!) and
> has full photographer credentials, so we should get some great shots. We are
> planning on doing another panoramic photo of the race cars.
>
> If you get a Triumph street car to Road Atlanta, you will get to drive the
> track at lunchtime. The Georgia Trumphs Association is putting on an event
> at the track and has a super deal going for access to the track all weekend
> and a participants choice car show. Look here:
> http://www.gatriumph.com/walter_mitty.htm
>
> Stay tuned, more to come!
>
> Henry
> yellow04 at tr4racer.com
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Tue Feb 28 11:14:40 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:14:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
References: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>
	<C95BCE44-DFA3-4AD1-BF42-1701DBFE5D71@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <319CCB9490CF4FA699A9D2871872632F@TRIUMPH.local>

I ran the Anglo-American race as well, it was a hoot!

Apparently they have not run that one in a few years, so don't count on it. 
I did ask, who knows, we might get lucky!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Munson" <fasttrs at yahoo.com>
To: <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates


Do they still have the Anglo-American challenge race and will we be able to 
run in it? I had a blast driving in that race one year. It really gets the 
attention of the American V8 cars when the lowly British cars pass them in 
the turns! 

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Feb 28 11:56:59 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:56:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] CVAR Feb race weekend report Part 1
Message-ID: <1C192DD8B65141EDB2F8F3AB52D0B54B@kramerde634093>

Friends,



The Texas FOT season began last weekend with the CVAR Spring School and
Races. TxFOT was well represented with a TR3, TR4, TR4A, GT6 and two
Triumph powered Morgans on hand. All the Triumph cars made every race
all weekend and except for a couple of minor inconveniences held up
remarkably well. Bobby Whitehead led the way for the Group 7 Triumphs
with him and his GT6 setting a personal best 2:08 around TWS and he ran
well all weekend with the two TR4s in hot pursuit. Greg Blake paced the
two Morgans in Group 4, hitting consistent 2:09s and 2:10s.



Bobby has spent the last few years struggling with the GT6, from
transmission problems to fuel issues and he fully enjoyed what I think
was his first weekend with a sorted car. Greg finished bolting in his
rebuilt engine with little time to spare and he was more than pleased
with the results. My son Andrew bought his first set of new Hoosier
Speedsters and thoroughly enjoyed them, besting with a 2:10s and
beating his dad more than once.



I was saved on the first Saturday race when the ceramic cracked and the
electrode in spark plug number 4 left home. He developed a misfire
coming to the checker and I got by. I joked that my remote kill switch
worked, but once I saw the plug I was more worried about piston damage.
We got the scope out and after some twisting and turning we felt
comfortable that the pieces escaped through the exhaust. He bested both
Bobby and my lap times that afternoon, so the engine appears to have
suffered no ill affects. That race started with a Porsche 911
downshifting to first instead of up shifting to third. He locked them
up; snap spun around and collected an Alfa door and sprayed bumper and
light pieces all over the track. I managed to get through OK after
getting pelted with dirt and grass from another 911 coming back on to
the racing surface, but Bobby and Andrew had less luck. Andrew had to
make a quick dive to escape.



During that race I managed to break both my new rear shock links,
resulting in a nice bouncy ride. I thought better of it and took the
DNF. Ill have to re-think the heim jointed shock links. They came with
the car, but I broke one of the original rods and replaced them with
modified grade 8 with poly trailing arm bushings. I thought it was an
upgrade, but the Grade 8 doesnt bend well and the poly doesnt give. I
had to get creative to fix it for the rest of the weekend, but some more
bolts and = tubing did the trick. Bobby also took a DNF in that race, I
think because he had to drive through the debris and wasnt sure about
tires.



Bob Kramer

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Feb 28 11:57:43 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:57:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] CVAR Feb race weekend report Part 2
Message-ID: <AA2A9D94E881449E8E4601E94E3980F5@kramerde634093>

Part 2

 

Sunday was also exciting. Our DNF's put Andrew out front and Bobby
behind me. I raced Bobby as hard as I could and held him off until the
7th lap of an 8 lap race. Four of those laps were with Andrew directly
in front of us so we put on a great Triumph show until Andrew
accidentally hit the ignition switch on his car, causing a backfire
while killing the engine. He made the safe choice and pulled behind the
wall. The second race also had a spin near the start. TWS races start on
the NASCAR front straight and we pull off to the infield on a wide high
speed sweeper into Turn 2, run a short straight to a 90 degree right
after significant braking. Race starts usually go well until the tire
smoke at Turn 3. This time, another 911 spun going off track at the apex
in turn 3 bringing dirt onto the track along with the requisite smoke. I
was a few rows back, on the inside (planning the same move the 911
missed on) and ended up headed right for his tail. I quickly decided
that if I squirted to his right, he, being a Porsche guy, would not stay
put and he would hit me or I'd hit him. I tucked in behind, squeezing a
Fiat to the outside and giving myself the inside for Turn 4. Bobby was
right in front of me and soon Andrew caught up and we finished I that
order. We had the trailer set up and drove right in. Success.

 

Greg had his own fun in Group 4 spending the weekend leading his class
and dicing mostly with an early Corvette 283. I watched one race from
the TWS carousel and you could hear how much the Corvette wanted to keep
the TR3 behind him. He squealed his way through the 180 every lap and on
the last lap he got on the brakes too late. Greg had him on the exit but
the Vette guy couldn't hold his line on the exit and Greg had to get out
of the gas. Duncan Charlton's Tr4 powered Morgan wasn't far behind Greg
all weekend and it was cool to watch him and Piers Gormly in the other
Morgan besting the Healey's and MGA's.

 

The TxFOT bunch is pretty much ready for the Mitty. My car needs tires
badly. I stretched them out by only racing three times a year. You know,
they last longer when the get old but the lap times go up. It was
obvious that both Bobby and Andrew had more power down the straight than
I did so I guess the engine is a little tired too. I may have to freshen
that baby up between now and April. Greg is ready, Bobby is too. We are
not taking Andrew's car, so that frees up trailer space for Bob Blake's
TR4, currently getting a new engine. The Spit's of Joe Hovey and Bill
Collins also skipped the Feb race so they have no excuses. I'm not sure
about the CVAR Morgan's, but I'd be happy with 6 cars making it from TX.

 

Bob Kramer

From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Tue Feb 28 12:37:41 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:37:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
References: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>
	<8CEC453CBF3989A-1AF4-2D8A@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <A02B92B1270E4DD39A127F43AB420676@TRIUMPH.local>

The TR/MG Challenge gives the spectators somebody to cheer for, plus it gives
CMS more fodder to write about.  Plus it's an opportunity for some lucky racer
to get his or her name and car's picture published in a magazine. The way I
see it, it's all good fun...

I view any enduro as track time. I never take them very seriously, it's just
another session. Sometimes I don't even refuel. I just run until I am tired,
rest for a while in the pits and go out again, waiting long enough that I know
I will finish without running out of gas. The CMS enduro is only 45 minutes,
so with the manditory pit stop most will not need to refuel.

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Joe Alexander
  To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates

  Not sure what this MG VS TR stuff is about.....doesnt sound very
attractive.

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Feb 28 12:42:33 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:42:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
In-Reply-To: <A02B92B1270E4DD39A127F43AB420676@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>
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 but not with the Kastner Cup, right?



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>; Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates


The TR/MG Challenge gives the spectators somebody to cheer for, plus it gives
CMS more fodder to write about.  Plus it's an opportunity for some lucky racer
to get his or her name and car's picture published in a magazine. The way I
see it, it's all good fun...

I view any enduro as track time. I never take them very seriously, it's just
another session. Sometimes I don't even refuel. I just run until I am tired,
rest for a while in the pits and go out again, waiting long enough that I know
I will finish without running out of gas. The CMS enduro is only 45 minutes,
so with the manditory pit stop most will not need to refuel.

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com

----- Original Message -----

From:   Joe Alexander

To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; fot at autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:16   PM

Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates


Not sure what this MG   VS TR stuff is about.....doesnt sound very
attractive.

From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Tue Feb 28 12:50:06 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:50:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
References: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>
	<8CEC453CBF3989A-1AF4-2D8A@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com>
	<A02B92B1270E4DD39A127F43AB420676@TRIUMPH.local>
	<8CEC4683FA601CC-9E4-4A4@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <F0A3ED27CADB4460AA73CF5AADA9F9AB@TRIUMPH.local>

As always, the Kastner Cup will be a Sprint Race. No pit stop required!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Joe Alexander


  but not with the Kastner Cup, right?



  Joe Alexander
  A. R. E.
  645 1st Street
  Jesup, Iowa 50648
  319.464.4711  (cell)
  n197tr4 at cs.com





  -----Original Message-----
  From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>


  I view any enduro as track time. I never take them very seriously, it's just
another session. Sometimes I don't even refuel. I just run until I am tired,
rest for a while in the pits and go out again, waiting long enough that I know
I will finish without running out of gas. The CMS enduro is only 45 minutes,
so with the manditory pit stop most will not need to refuel.

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Feb 28 13:09:43 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:09:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
In-Reply-To: <F0A3ED27CADB4460AA73CF5AADA9F9AB@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local><8CEC453CBF3989A-1AF4-2D8A@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com><A02B92B1270E4DD39A127F43AB420676@TRIUMPH.local><8CEC4683FA601CC-9E4-4A4@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com>
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Message-ID: <8CEC46C0B3D6856-9E4-94B@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com>

 Henry,

no, i am talking about a MG/TR Challenge.....we are not running MGs with the
Kastner Cup, right?

there are folks that have been led to believe that.  i have been dispelling
that idea.

that would be a very unhappy thought.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates


As always, the Kastner Cup will be a Sprint Race. No pit stop required!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Joe Alexander


  but not with the Kastner Cup, right?



  Joe Alexander
  A. R. E.
  645 1st Street
  Jesup, Iowa 50648
  319.464.4711  (cell)
  n197tr4 at cs.com





  -----Original Message-----
  From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>


  I view any enduro as track time. I never take them very seriously, it's
just
another session. Sometimes I don't even refuel. I just run until I am tired,
rest for a while in the pits and go out again, waiting long enough that I
know
I will finish without running out of gas. The CMS enduro is only 45 minutes,
so with the manditory pit stop most will not need to refuel.
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Feb 28 13:35:56 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:35:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
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 OK,  NO MGs....I thought so, but wanted to confirm. It has been a point of
confusion that I have answered several times.


I think the pivotal issue, if I understand, is that if we get enough TRIUMPH
entries we will be afforded OUR OWN RUN GROUP.

That seems like a very cool idea.







Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Reid <andy at grassrootsmotorsports.com>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 2:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates


No there are no MG cars running in the Kastner Cup race.
How's that for a definitive answer. :)
Andy


Andy Reid
Senior Editor/Marketing Director
Classic Motorsports magazine
Grassroots Motorsports magazine
andy at classicmotorsports.net
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
804-400-6258



On Feb 28, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Joe Alexander wrote:

> Henry,
>
> no, i am talking about a MG/TR Challenge.....we are not running MGs with
the
> Kastner Cup, right?
>
> there are folks that have been led to believe that.  i have been dispelling
> that idea.
>
> that would be a very unhappy thought.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
> To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:50 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates
>
>
> As always, the Kastner Cup will be a Sprint Race. No pit stop required!
>
> Henry
> yellow04 at tr4racer.com
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Joe Alexander
>
>
>  but not with the Kastner Cup, right?
>
>
>
>  Joe Alexander
>  A. R. E.
>  645 1st Street
>  Jesup, Iowa 50648
>  319.464.4711  (cell)
>  n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
>
>
>  I view any enduro as track time. I never take them very seriously, it's
> just
> another session. Sometimes I don't even refuel. I just run until I am
tired,
> rest for a while in the pits and go out again, waiting long enough that I
> know
> I will finish without running out of gas. The CMS enduro is only 45
minutes,
> so with the manditory pit stop most will not need to refuel.
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From igofaster at att.net  Tue Feb 28 18:28:59 2012
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:28:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT-6+ DYNO!
In-Reply-To: <2025692777.1292999.1330040932527.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <2025692777.1292999.1330040932527.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1330478939.74575.YahooMailRC@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I see no reason to ever go back... buttload of jets and needles available at 
your nearest Harley Davidson shop, and the GT-6+ was BARKING this weekend.... I 
turned 2:08's in the 2.90 mile road circuit at Texas Motor Speedway, my fastest 
times ever... I was leading the DP cars except for the Lotus Super 7 which was 
turning 2:00's... I even kept pace with a few of the slower CP Porsche 911's... 
unbelievable weekend. My BEST EVER!....    makes up for all those lonely nights 
wrenching and bitching in my garage...

Bobby Whitehead
DP #39 Triumph GT-6+

Mitty fever!
To: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
Sent: Thu, February 23, 2012 5:48:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph GT-6+ DYNO!


So how do you like those mikuni's now ?
I'm curious though about modifying the jets, I haven't had to do that.
 
jim g


 
________________________________
 
From: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>
To: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:10:34 AM
Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT-6+ DYNO!

Thanks to Gregg Rodgers @ Pinnacle Autosports we got the GT-6+ dialed in on the 
dyno. My car was the 1st mule to run in his new shop at Eagles Canyon this week. 

What started out a dismal 79 h.p. was soon dialed in with modifying the jets and 

the timing with the Mukini carb's set up...my brand new re-built harmonic 
balancer from Damper Doctor was at least 11 degrees off...lovely....  by early 
morning though we had 112 hp @ 6000 rpm ... AND getting an alignment was way 
over due as well....   should be ready for the weekend at Texas World as I'm 
'fixin' to go to WalMart for groceries... this is my fun weekend before the 
MITTY...    

Bobby Whitehead 
1970 GT-6+
#39 DP Puke Yellow
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From jason at multivintage.com  Tue Feb 28 19:08:15 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:08:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT-6+ DYNO!
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Bobby,
Looks like you've found a little more than 112 hp.
Nice.
If Jim G. is feeding you his Mikuni speed secrets, I'm in trouble for the
Mitty.
Sounds like your car is running great!
Looking forward to April!
Nice recovery!
Happy to hear you had a solid weekend.
Hope to have you as drafting partner to challenge all those damn roadsters
at Road Atlanta.
You know a GT6 has never won the Cup!?
Maybe this year!

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+




On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net> wrote:

> I see no reason to ever go back... buttload of jets and needles available
> at
> your nearest Harley Davidson shop, and the GT-6+ was BARKING this
> weekend.... I
> turned 2:08's in the 2.90 mile road circuit at Texas Motor Speedway, my
> fastest
> times ever... I was leading the DP cars except for the Lotus Super 7 which
> was
> turning 2:00's... I even kept pace with a few of the slower CP Porsche
> 911's...
> unbelievable weekend. My BEST EVER!....    makes up for all those lonely
> nights
> wrenching and bitching in my garage...
>
> Bobby Whitehead
> DP #39 Triumph GT-6+
>
> Mitty fever!
> To: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
> Sent: Thu, February 23, 2012 5:48:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph GT-6+ DYNO!
>
>
> So how do you like those mikuni's now ?
> I'm curious though about modifying the jets, I haven't had to do that.
>
> jim g
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>
> To: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:10:34 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT-6+ DYNO!
>
> Thanks to Gregg Rodgers @ Pinnacle Autosports we got the GT-6+ dialed in
> on the
> dyno. My car was the 1st mule to run in his new shop at Eagles Canyon this
> week.
>
> What started out a dismal 79 h.p. was soon dialed in with modifying the
> jets and
>
> the timing with the Mukini carb's set up...my brand new re-built harmonic
> balancer from Damper Doctor was at least 11 degrees off...lovely....  by
> early
> morning though we had 112 hp @ 6000 rpm ... AND getting an alignment was
> way
> over due as well....   should be ready for the weekend at Texas World as
> I'm
> 'fixin' to go to WalMart for groceries... this is my fun weekend before the
> MITTY...
>
> Bobby Whitehead
> 1970 GT-6+
> #39 DP Puke Yellow
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Feb 28 20:55:00 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:55:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT-6+ DYNO!
In-Reply-To: <CALCydYqwtQcvYD9y_p67mj++w_7qesAepjt0+hHF_kAr4kHfSw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1330478939.74575.YahooMailRC@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CALCydYqwtQcvYD9y_p67mj++w_7qesAepjt0+hHF_kAr4kHfSw@mail.gmail.com>
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Jason Ostrowski wrote:
> You know a GT6 has never won the Cup!?
> Maybe this year!
>
>

If a Herald can do it ...

My first Triumph was a GT6 -  I'm kind of fond of them.

I hope I can make the Mitty!

mjb.

From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Wed Feb 29 10:09:18 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:09:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Important Mitty Update
Message-ID: <AA51832BDB0348228585A13744983410@TRIUMPH.local>

To all those folks bringing multiple drivers for one car. Assuming our 
generous amount of track time is not enough, we just got approval to run 
with the normal HSR run group for an additional cost of 1/2 of the entry 
fee.

So you can almost double your track time for $260. Now that's a bargain!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 

From billdentin at aol.com  Wed Feb 29 18:07:47 2012
From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:07:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] AUTOWEEK Article...
Message-ID: <8CEC55ED9622932-1E48-DCE8@webmail-d080.sysops.aol.com>

Amici...

There is a nice feature article on Bob Tullius in the current issue of
AUTOWEEK.

Bill Dentinger

From andy at grassrootsmotorsports.com  Tue Feb 28 13:14:37 2012
From: andy at grassrootsmotorsports.com (Andy Reid)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:14:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
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	<F0A3ED27CADB4460AA73CF5AADA9F9AB@TRIUMPH.local>
	<8CEC46C0B3D6856-9E4-94B@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com>
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No there are no MG cars running in the Kastner Cup race.
How's that for a definitive answer. :)
Andy


Andy Reid
Senior Editor/Marketing Director
Classic Motorsports magazine
Grassroots Motorsports magazine
andy at classicmotorsports.net
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
804-400-6258



On Feb 28, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Joe Alexander wrote:

> Henry,
>
> no, i am talking about a MG/TR Challenge.....we are not running MGs with
the
> Kastner Cup, right?
>
> there are folks that have been led to believe that.  i have been dispelling
> that idea.
>
> that would be a very unhappy thought.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
> To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:50 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates
>
>
> As always, the Kastner Cup will be a Sprint Race. No pit stop required!
>
> Henry
> yellow04 at tr4racer.com
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Joe Alexander
>
>
>  but not with the Kastner Cup, right?
>
>
>
>  Joe Alexander
>  A. R. E.
>  645 1st Street
>  Jesup, Iowa 50648
>  319.464.4711  (cell)
>  n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
>
>
>  I view any enduro as track time. I never take them very seriously, it's
> just
> another session. Sometimes I don't even refuel. I just run until I am
tired,
> rest for a while in the pits and go out again, waiting long enough that I
> know
> I will finish without running out of gas. The CMS enduro is only 45
minutes,
> so with the manditory pit stop most will not need to refuel.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Feb 26 23:51:32 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 23:51:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sorry for the intrusion
Message-ID: <4F4B27F4.8060302@bradakis.com>

Another test.

mjb.


From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Feb 27 02:04:06 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 02:04:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] What fun
Message-ID: <4F4B4706.9090303@bradakis.com>

Working on some major Team.Net upgrades.  I'd rather be
getting a Triumph ready for the coming summer.

mjb.


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Mon Feb 27 06:19:01 2012
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:19:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
In-Reply-To: <029097ab-52f8-4356-ae0e-fa2f1689a9f3@blur>
Message-ID: <1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Scott:
Your's was the only set of axles from the original 10-20 sets built by
Summer's to my specs that failed.  If I remember correctly, you had hit a curb
earlier in the day, which we thought may have dammaged the axles. In the
original design there is no taper between the hub and the axle.
The next year I gave the design to Mr's Summer's because I didn't want to dink
with axles anymore. Of course, since then time has taken it's toll...Summer's
Brothers has changed hands (twice) and the waters have been poluted. I ordered
two sets from the then owner of Summer's four years ago and what we received
from them was not the original design. The bearings have been changed to a
smaller size, and the axle is not retained in the housing in the same
manner. One of those two sets is currently experiencing issues thay may affect
it's performance. Truly disappointing.
Right now, the Chuck Gee designed, Joe Siam sold, (and sadly when last
checked, Summer's built) axles are the best design out there. Where as the
original design/built axles I did were in the $900-$1,200 range, Chuck's
design, being more extensive, is a bit more pricey. But, what price safety. If
I were building today I would use Chuck's design. The ones I did filled the
void that existed in 2001-2.
JMTC
-Ed-   

--- On Sat, 2/25/12, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:


From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
To: "Steven Groh" <sgroh1 at comcast.net>, fot at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 4:26 PM


Yes, my warning sign was a loud bang and a sudden tilt of the horizon 45 
degrees to port, followed by a 720-snap spin.  Hard to miss. 

Scott B.

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
www.mccarty-law.com

-----Original message-----
From: Steven Groh <sgroh1 at comcast.net>
To: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 21:41:27 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Mon Feb 27 06:33:28 2012
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:33:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
Message-ID: <31197902.1330349608255.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Guys I do have axles in stock. Thanks  Joe


-----Original Message-----
>From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
>Sent: Feb 27, 2012 5:19 AM
>To: Steven Groh <sgroh1 at comcast.net>, fot at autox.team.net, ScottBarr <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
>
>Scott:
>Your's was the only set of axles from the original 10-20 sets built by
>Summer's to my specs that failed.  If I remember correctly, you had hit a curb
>earlier in the day, which we thought may have dammaged the axles. In the
>original design there is no taper between the hub and the axle.
>The next year I gave the design to Mr's Summer's because I didn't want to dink
>with axles anymore. Of course, since then time has taken it's toll...Summer's
>Brothers has changed hands (twice) and the waters have been poluted. I ordered
>two sets from the then owner of Summer's four years ago and what we received
>from them was not the original design. The bearings have been changed to a
>smaller size, and the axle is not retained in the housing in the same
>manner. One of those two sets is currently experiencing issues thay may affect
>it's performance. Truly disappointing.
>Right now, the Chuck Gee designed, Joe Siam sold, (and sadly when last
>checked, Summer's built) axles are the best design out there. Where as the
>original design/built axles I did were in the $900-$1,200 range, Chuck's
>design, being more extensive, is a bit more pricey. But, what price safety. If
>I were building today I would use Chuck's design. The ones I did filled the
>void that existed in 2001-2.
>JMTC
>-Ed-   
>
>--- On Sat, 2/25/12, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:
>
>
>From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
>To: "Steven Groh" <sgroh1 at comcast.net>, fot at autox.team.net
>Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 4:26 PM
>
>
>Yes, my warning sign was a loud bang and a sudden tilt of the horizon 45 
>degrees to port, followed by a 720-snap spin.  Hard to miss. 
>
>Scott B.
>
>Scott Barr
>McCarty Law LLP
>(920) 257-2233
>www.mccarty-law.com
>
>-----Original message-----
>From: Steven Groh <sgroh1 at comcast.net>
>To: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 21:41:27 GMT+00:00
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
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818 350 6222


From horizonracing at msn.com  Mon Feb 27 07:26:42 2012
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 06:26:42 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
In-Reply-To: <1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <029097ab-52f8-4356-ae0e-fa2f1689a9f3@blur>,
	<1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT141-W37FF90DBFAC197B4279CAFB2690@phx.gbl>

How long were the axles in service ? when were they last Crack checked ?

> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:19:01 -0800
> From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net
> To: sgroh1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net; sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
>
> Scott:
> Your's was the only set of axles from the original 10-20 sets built by
> Summer's to my specs that failed.  If I remember correctly, you had hit a
curb
> earlier in the day, which we thought may have dammaged the axles. In the
> original design there is no taper between the hub and the axle.
> The next year I gave the design to Mr's Summer's because I didn't want to
dink
> with axles anymore. Of course, since then time has taken it's
toll...Summer's
> Brothers has changed hands (twice) and the waters have been poluted. I
ordered
> two sets from the then owner of Summer's four years ago and what we
received
> from them was not the original design. The bearings have been changed to a
> smaller size, and the axle is not retained in the housing in the same
> manner. One of those two sets is currently experiencing issues thay may
affect
> it's performance. Truly disappointing.
> Right now, the Chuck Gee designed, Joe Siam sold, (and sadly when last
> checked, Summer's built) axles are the best design out there. Where as the
> original design/built axles I did were in the $900-$1,200 range, Chuck's
> design, being more extensive, is a bit more pricey. But, what price safety.
If
> I were building today I would use Chuck's design. The ones I did filled the
> void that existed in 2001-2.
> JMTC
> -Ed-
>
> --- On Sat, 2/25/12, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
> To: "Steven Groh" <sgroh1 at comcast.net>, fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 4:26 PM
>
>
> Yes, my warning sign was a loud bang and a sudden tilt of the horizon 45
> degrees to port, followed by a 720-snap spin.  Hard to miss.
>
> Scott B.
>
> Scott Barr
> McCarty Law LLP
> (920) 257-2233
> www.mccarty-law.com
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: Steven Groh <sgroh1 at comcast.net>
> To: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
> Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 21:41:27 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon Feb 27 08:15:39 2012
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 09:15:39 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
In-Reply-To: <1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <029097ab-52f8-4356-ae0e-fa2f1689a9f3@blur>
	<1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8799@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

<< If I remember correctly, you had hit a curb earlier in the day >>

Nope.  Must be somebody else.  There are no curbs of that sort around
Blackhawk.

I certainly didn't mean to criticize your design, Ed.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 7:19 AM
To: Steven Groh; fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?

Scott:
Your's was the only set of axles from the original 10-20 sets built by
Summer's to my specs that failed.  If I remember correctly, you had hit
a curb earlier in the day, which we thought may have dammaged the axles.
In the original design there is no taper between the hub and the axle.
The next year I gave the design to Mr's Summer's because I didn't want
to dink with axles anymore. Of course, since then time has taken it's
toll...Summer's Brothers has changed hands (twice) and the waters have
been poluted. I ordered two sets from the then owner of Summer's four
years ago and what we received from them was not the original design.
The bearings have been changed to a smaller size, and the axle is not
retained in the housing in the same manner. One of those two sets is
currently experiencing issues thay may affect it's performance. Truly
disappointing.
Right now, the Chuck Gee designed, Joe Siam sold, (and sadly when last
checked, Summer's built) axles are the best design out there. Where as
the original design/built axles I did were in the $900-$1,200 range,
Chuck's design, being more extensive, is a bit more pricey. But, what
price safety. If I were building today I would use Chuck's design. The
ones I did filled the void that existed in 2001-2.
JMTC
-Ed-

--- On Sat, 2/25/12, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:


From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
To: "Steven Groh" <sgroh1 at comcast.net>, fot at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 4:26 PM


Yes, my warning sign was a loud bang and a sudden tilt of the horizon 45
degrees to port, followed by a 720-snap spin.  Hard to miss.

Scott B.

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
www.mccarty-law.com

-----Original message-----
From: Steven Groh <sgroh1 at comcast.net>
To: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 21:41:27 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon Feb 27 08:18:37 2012
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 09:18:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
In-Reply-To: <SNT141-W37FF90DBFAC197B4279CAFB2690@phx.gbl>
References: <029097ab-52f8-4356-ae0e-fa2f1689a9f3@blur>,
	<1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT141-W37FF90DBFAC197B4279CAFB2690@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD879A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

<< How long were the axles in service ? when were they last Crack
checked ?  >>



Approximately three years.  I didn't crack-check them during that time.



Scott





From: Tony and Annie Garmey [mailto:horizonracing at msn.com]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 8:27 AM
To: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; sgroh1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net;
Barr, Scott
Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?



How long were the axles in service ? when were they last Crack checked ?



> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:19:01 -0800
> From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net
> To: sgroh1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net; sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
>
> Scott:
> Your's was the only set of axles from the original 10-20 sets built by
> Summer's to my specs that failed. If I remember correctly, you had hit
a curb
> earlier in the day, which we thought may have dammaged the axles. In
the
> original design there is no taper between the hub and the axle.
> The next year I gave the design to Mr's Summer's because I didn't want
to dink
> with axles anymore. Of course, since then time has taken it's
toll...Summer's
> Brothers has changed hands (twice) and the waters have been poluted. I
ordered
> two sets from the then owner of Summer's four years ago and what we
received
> from them was not the original design. The bearings have been changed
to a
> smaller size, and the axle is not retained in the housing in the same
> manner. One of those two sets is currently experiencing issues thay
may affect
> it's performance. Truly disappointing.
> Right now, the Chuck Gee designed, Joe Siam sold, (and sadly when last
> checked, Summer's built) axles are the best design out there. Where as
the
> original design/built axles I did were in the $900-$1,200 range,
Chuck's
> design, being more extensive, is a bit more pricey. But, what price
safety. If
> I were building today I would use Chuck's design. The ones I did
filled the
> void that existed in 2001-2.
> JMTC
> -Ed-
>
> --- On Sat, 2/25/12, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
> To: "Steven Groh" <sgroh1 at comcast.net>, fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 4:26 PM
>
>
> Yes, my warning sign was a loud bang and a sudden tilt of the horizon
45
> degrees to port, followed by a 720-snap spin. Hard to miss.
>
> Scott B.


From horizonracing at msn.com  Mon Feb 27 08:54:30 2012
From: horizonracing at msn.com (horizonracing at msn.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:54:30 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD879A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <029097ab-52f8-4356-ae0e-fa2f1689a9f3@blur>,
	<1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT141-W37FF90DBFAC197B4279CAFB2690@phx.gbl>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD879A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP26B5C790EAAC238E55207BB2690@phx.gbl>

Can you decribe the crack/break. is it a clean shear? Can you see a lot of  
small lines across the face(s) ? Dirty at the point of failure? 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

-----Original message-----
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: Tony and Annie Garmey <horizonracing at msn.com>,  
edwardbarnard at prodigy.net, sgroh1 at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2012 07:18:37 PST
Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?

<< How long were the axles in service ? when were they last Crack
checked ?  >>

 

Approximately three years.  I didn't crack-check them during that time.

 

Scott

 

 

From: Tony and Annie Garmey [mailto:horizonracing at msn.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 8:27 AM
To: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; sgroh1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net;
Barr, Scott
Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?

 

How long were the axles in service ? when were they last Crack checked ?

 

> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:19:01 -0800
> From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net
> To: sgroh1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net; sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
> 
> Scott:
> Your's was the only set of axles from the original 10-20 sets built by
> Summer's to my specs that failed. If I remember correctly, you had hit
a curb
> earlier in the day, which we thought may have dammaged the axles. In
the
> original design there is no taper between the hub and the axle.
> The next year I gave the design to Mr's Summer's because I didn't want
to dink
> with axles anymore. Of course, since then time has taken it's
toll...Summer's
> Brothers has changed hands (twice) and the waters have been poluted. I
ordered
> two sets from the then owner of Summer's four years ago and what we
received
> from them was not the original design. The bearings have been changed
to a
> smaller size, and the axle is not retained in the housing in the same
> manner. One of those two sets is currently experiencing issues thay
may affect
> it's performance. Truly disappointing.
> Right now, the Chuck Gee designed, Joe Siam sold, (and sadly when last
> checked, Summer's built) axles are the best design out there. Where as
the
> original design/built axles I did were in the $900-$1,200 range,
Chuck's
> design, being more extensive, is a bit more pricey. But, what price
safety. If
> I were building today I would use Chuck's design. The ones I did
filled the
> void that existed in 2001-2.
> JMTC
> -Ed- 
> 
> --- On Sat, 2/25/12, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
> To: "Steven Groh" <sgroh1 at comcast.net>, fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 4:26 PM
> 
> 
> Yes, my warning sign was a loud bang and a sudden tilt of the horizon
45 
> degrees to port, followed by a 720-snap spin. Hard to miss. 
> 
> Scott B.


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon Feb 27 09:16:05 2012
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:16:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP26B5C790EAAC238E55207BB2690@phx.gbl>
References: <029097ab-52f8-4356-ae0e-fa2f1689a9f3@blur>,
	<1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT141-W37FF90DBFAC197B4279CAFB2690@phx.gbl>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD879A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP26B5C790EAAC238E55207BB2690@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD879E@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Going solely by memory hereb&

 

IIRC, we concluded there was a small inclusion.  Starting there, we had small beach marks out to the larger fracture point.  No rust in the fracture.

 

Scott B.

 

From: horizonracing at msn.com [mailto:horizonracing at msn.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 9:55 AM
To: Barr, Scott; sgroh1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net; edwardbarnard at prodigy.net
Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?

 

Can you decribe the crack/break. is it a clean shear? Can you see a lot of small lines across the face(s) ? Dirty at the point of failure? 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID



-----Original message-----

From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: Tony and Annie Garmey <horizonracing at msn.com>, edwardbarnard at prodigy.net, sgroh1 at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2012 07:18:37 PST
Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?

<< How long were the axles in service ? when were they last Crack checked ?  >>

 

Approximately three years.  I didnbt crack-check them during that time.

 

Scott

 

 

From: Tony and Annie Garmey [mailto:horizonracing at msn.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 8:27 AM
To: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; sgroh1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott
Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?

 

How long were the axles in service ? when were they last Crack checked ? 


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Feb 27 11:40:34 2012
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:40:34 -0800
Subject: [Fot] German made Healy-like sportscar
Message-ID: <FFC84E725E174829A6E4A73E578F9778@Charly>

I was looking at some videos Chris Marx sent of the new track in Germany and
came across this.  Chris says this is the one of the best selling sportscars
in Germany, next to the Porsche.

http://www.wiesmann.com/en

Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44


From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Mon Feb 27 15:49:35 2012
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:49:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] Axle kit
Message-ID: <7789503.1330382975673.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Tim, Yes 7/16 ARP studs installed total flange to flange is approx 19 3/8
There is a spacer that can be shortened to narrow the track or fit a longer
one to increase you track.  Cost of the axle set as seen on my web site is
$2000.00 It comes with everything you need to install.  thanks  Joe


-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Pettenati <pettenat at pacbell.net>
>Sent: Feb 27, 2012 7:31 AM
>To: Joseph Siam <jsiam1 at earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: Axle kit
>
>Joe,
>
>Are wheel studs included?B  If so what size? If not what is the lug bolt hole
>size in the hub?B  I'm using 7/16 and would like to keep that size.
>
>Do you have an overall length measurement.B  I have an early Spit, that may
have
>been fitted with longer axles.B  I'd like to match what I currently have.B 
So a
>total length flange to hub would be most useful.B  I'll be able to provide
mine
>later today.
>
>What would my 'Racer ' price be for the kit?
>
>Thanks,
>Tim
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Joseph Siam <jsiam1 at earthlink.net>
>To: fot at autox.team.net; sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
>Sent: Mon, February 27, 2012 5:33:28 AM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
>
>Hi Guys I do have axles in stock. ThanksB  Joe


Chequered Flag Racing .net
Joseph P. Siam
9833 Deering Ave unit I
Chatsworth Ca 91311
818 350 6222


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Feb 27 16:02:51 2012
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:02:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Bob Goes for a SAT Ride
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1202271802280.28435@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

Check out this in-car vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JBqlqyWt0Q&feature=youtu.be

To some, putting a Toyota engine in a Triumph is outright sacrilige, but this 
car is proof-positive that you can make a great handling FAST Triumph for a lot 
less $$$ than you might think.

In any case, enjoy!

regards,
rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Former NER Solo Chair                          |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Feb 28 01:19:06 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 01:19:06 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Fot] Server updates
Message-ID: <20120228081906.A61042E0C2@bradakis.com>

The mailing lists should be working again as you've probably noticed
over the last day or so.  The mailman pages at
http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo also seem to be working better.

Still having issues with the forums, though now the error messages
are different.  I guess that's progress ;-)  And there are some
issues with the archives getting rebuilt.  What fun when switching
to all sorts of new software version, updated operating system, new
hardware ....

If you do have troubles with your subscriptions and the web interface
let me know, I'll work on getting things resolved.  Right now I think I'll
watch some cooking videos to relax before I head off to bed.


mjb.


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Tue Feb 28 09:53:27 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:53:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
Message-ID: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>

Lots of good news on the Mitty!

The schedule will be out within the next two weeks. The Kastner Cup race 
will be Satuday early afternoon.

We will be running our own run group. I have been asked if we mind if they 
put some MG's in with us, I told them our numbers show we have a full grid, 
and we would prefer to keep all Triumph powered cars. I am pushing hard for 
an all-Triumph grid, our best shot for that is for everyone going to send in 
your entry as soon as possible! As previously reported, we have a special 
exception to HSR's refund policy, if you pre-register and for some reason 
can't run, a full cash refund up to the time you unload at the track.

We are all invited to run the Classic Motorsports Enduro Sunday morning, no 
additional cost! CMS is working on some sort of Triumph - MG Challenge 
during the enduro to showcase the long standing rivaly.

Bob Lang has volunteered to be our official Photographer, (thanks Bob!) and 
has full photographer credentials, so we should get some great shots. We are 
planning on doing another panoramic photo of the race cars.

If you get a Triumph street car to Road Atlanta, you will get to drive the 
track at lunchtime. The Georgia Trumphs Association is putting on an event 
at the track and has a super deal going for access to the track all weekend 
and a participants choice car show. Look here: 
http://www.gatriumph.com/walter_mitty.htm

Stay tuned, more to come!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Feb 28 10:16:09 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:16:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
In-Reply-To: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <8CEC453CBF3989A-1AF4-2D8A@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com>

 Having the Kastner Cup on Saturday is just excellent, methinks.

The Enduro on Sunday morning at no added cost sounds very good.

Not sure what is scheduled in the afternoon, but that might be an option for
long tow guys to leave early to get back to work. I know this might apply to
my family.

YUP, time to get entries in. There is no reason left not to.

Not sure what this MG VS TR stuff is about.....doesnt sound very attractive.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:53 am
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates


Lots of good news on the Mitty!

The schedule will be out within the next two weeks. The Kastner Cup race
will be Satuday early afternoon.

We will be running our own run group. I have been asked if we mind if they
put some MG's in with us, I told them our numbers show we have a full grid,
and we would prefer to keep all Triumph powered cars. I am pushing hard for
an all-Triumph grid, our best shot for that is for everyone going to send in
your entry as soon as possible! As previously reported, we have a special
exception to HSR's refund policy, if you pre-register and for some reason
can't run, a full cash refund up to the time you unload at the track.

We are all invited to run the Classic Motorsports Enduro Sunday morning, no
additional cost! CMS is working on some sort of Triumph - MG Challenge
during the enduro to showcase the long standing rivaly.

Bob Lang has volunteered to be our official Photographer, (thanks Bob!) and
has full photographer credentials, so we should get some great shots. We are
planning on doing another panoramic photo of the race cars.

If you get a Triumph street car to Road Atlanta, you will get to drive the
track at lunchtime. The Georgia Trumphs Association is putting on an event
at the track and has a super deal going for access to the track all weekend
and a participants choice car show. Look here:
http://www.gatriumph.com/walter_mitty.htm

Stay tuned, more to come!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 28 11:06:04 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:06:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
In-Reply-To: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <C95BCE44-DFA3-4AD1-BF42-1701DBFE5D71@yahoo.com>

Do they still have the Anglo-American challenge race and will we be able to
run in it? I had a blast driving in that race one year. It really gets the
attention of the American V8 cars when the lowly British cars pass them in the
turns!

Mike

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On Feb 28, 2012, at 10:53 AM, <yellow04 at tr4racer.com> wrote:

> Lots of good news on the Mitty!
>
> The schedule will be out within the next two weeks. The Kastner Cup race
> will be Satuday early afternoon.
>
> We will be running our own run group. I have been asked if we mind if they
> put some MG's in with us, I told them our numbers show we have a full grid,
> and we would prefer to keep all Triumph powered cars. I am pushing hard for
> an all-Triumph grid, our best shot for that is for everyone going to send in
> your entry as soon as possible! As previously reported, we have a special
> exception to HSR's refund policy, if you pre-register and for some reason
> can't run, a full cash refund up to the time you unload at the track.
>
> We are all invited to run the Classic Motorsports Enduro Sunday morning, no
> additional cost! CMS is working on some sort of Triumph - MG Challenge
> during the enduro to showcase the long standing rivaly.
>
> Bob Lang has volunteered to be our official Photographer, (thanks Bob!) and
> has full photographer credentials, so we should get some great shots. We are
> planning on doing another panoramic photo of the race cars.
>
> If you get a Triumph street car to Road Atlanta, you will get to drive the
> track at lunchtime. The Georgia Trumphs Association is putting on an event
> at the track and has a super deal going for access to the track all weekend
> and a participants choice car show. Look here:
> http://www.gatriumph.com/walter_mitty.htm
>
> Stay tuned, more to come!
>
> Henry
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Tue Feb 28 11:14:40 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:14:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
References: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>
	<C95BCE44-DFA3-4AD1-BF42-1701DBFE5D71@yahoo.com>
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I ran the Anglo-American race as well, it was a hoot!

Apparently they have not run that one in a few years, so don't count on it. 
I did ask, who knows, we might get lucky!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Munson" <fasttrs at yahoo.com>
To: <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates


Do they still have the Anglo-American challenge race and will we be able to 
run in it? I had a blast driving in that race one year. It really gets the 
attention of the American V8 cars when the lowly British cars pass them in 
the turns! 


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Feb 28 11:56:59 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:56:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] CVAR Feb race weekend report Part 1
Message-ID: <1C192DD8B65141EDB2F8F3AB52D0B54B@kramerde634093>

Friends,



The Texas FOT season began last weekend with the CVAR Spring School and
Races. TxFOT was well represented with a TR3, TR4, TR4A, GT6 and two
Triumph powered Morgans on hand. All the Triumph cars made every race
all weekend and except for a couple of minor inconveniences held up
remarkably well. Bobby Whitehead led the way for the Group 7 Triumphs
with him and his GT6 setting a personal best 2:08 around TWS and he ran
well all weekend with the two TR4s in hot pursuit. Greg Blake paced the
two Morgans in Group 4, hitting consistent 2:09s and 2:10s.



Bobby has spent the last few years struggling with the GT6, from
transmission problems to fuel issues and he fully enjoyed what I think
was his first weekend with a sorted car. Greg finished bolting in his
rebuilt engine with little time to spare and he was more than pleased
with the results. My son Andrew bought his first set of new Hoosier
Speedsters and thoroughly enjoyed them, besting with a 2:10s and
beating his dad more than once.



I was saved on the first Saturday race when the ceramic cracked and the
electrode in spark plug number 4 left home. He developed a misfire
coming to the checker and I got by. I joked that my remote kill switch
worked, but once I saw the plug I was more worried about piston damage.
We got the scope out and after some twisting and turning we felt
comfortable that the pieces escaped through the exhaust. He bested both
Bobby and my lap times that afternoon, so the engine appears to have
suffered no ill affects. That race started with a Porsche 911
downshifting to first instead of up shifting to third. He locked them
up; snap spun around and collected an Alfa door and sprayed bumper and
light pieces all over the track. I managed to get through OK after
getting pelted with dirt and grass from another 911 coming back on to
the racing surface, but Bobby and Andrew had less luck. Andrew had to
make a quick dive to escape.



During that race I managed to break both my new rear shock links,
resulting in a nice bouncy ride. I thought better of it and took the
DNF. Ill have to re-think the heim jointed shock links. They came with
the car, but I broke one of the original rods and replaced them with
modified grade 8 with poly trailing arm bushings. I thought it was an
upgrade, but the Grade 8 doesnt bend well and the poly doesnt give. I
had to get creative to fix it for the rest of the weekend, but some more
bolts and = tubing did the trick. Bobby also took a DNF in that race, I
think because he had to drive through the debris and wasnt sure about
tires.



Bob Kramer


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Feb 28 11:57:43 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:57:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] CVAR Feb race weekend report Part 2
Message-ID: <AA2A9D94E881449E8E4601E94E3980F5@kramerde634093>

Part 2

 

Sunday was also exciting. Our DNF's put Andrew out front and Bobby
behind me. I raced Bobby as hard as I could and held him off until the
7th lap of an 8 lap race. Four of those laps were with Andrew directly
in front of us so we put on a great Triumph show until Andrew
accidentally hit the ignition switch on his car, causing a backfire
while killing the engine. He made the safe choice and pulled behind the
wall. The second race also had a spin near the start. TWS races start on
the NASCAR front straight and we pull off to the infield on a wide high
speed sweeper into Turn 2, run a short straight to a 90 degree right
after significant braking. Race starts usually go well until the tire
smoke at Turn 3. This time, another 911 spun going off track at the apex
in turn 3 bringing dirt onto the track along with the requisite smoke. I
was a few rows back, on the inside (planning the same move the 911
missed on) and ended up headed right for his tail. I quickly decided
that if I squirted to his right, he, being a Porsche guy, would not stay
put and he would hit me or I'd hit him. I tucked in behind, squeezing a
Fiat to the outside and giving myself the inside for Turn 4. Bobby was
right in front of me and soon Andrew caught up and we finished I that
order. We had the trailer set up and drove right in. Success.

 

Greg had his own fun in Group 4 spending the weekend leading his class
and dicing mostly with an early Corvette 283. I watched one race from
the TWS carousel and you could hear how much the Corvette wanted to keep
the TR3 behind him. He squealed his way through the 180 every lap and on
the last lap he got on the brakes too late. Greg had him on the exit but
the Vette guy couldn't hold his line on the exit and Greg had to get out
of the gas. Duncan Charlton's Tr4 powered Morgan wasn't far behind Greg
all weekend and it was cool to watch him and Piers Gormly in the other
Morgan besting the Healey's and MGA's.

 

The TxFOT bunch is pretty much ready for the Mitty. My car needs tires
badly. I stretched them out by only racing three times a year. You know,
they last longer when the get old but the lap times go up. It was
obvious that both Bobby and Andrew had more power down the straight than
I did so I guess the engine is a little tired too. I may have to freshen
that baby up between now and April. Greg is ready, Bobby is too. We are
not taking Andrew's car, so that frees up trailer space for Bob Blake's
TR4, currently getting a new engine. The Spit's of Joe Hovey and Bill
Collins also skipped the Feb race so they have no excuses. I'm not sure
about the CVAR Morgan's, but I'd be happy with 6 cars making it from TX.

 

Bob Kramer


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Tue Feb 28 12:37:41 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:37:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
References: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>
	<8CEC453CBF3989A-1AF4-2D8A@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <A02B92B1270E4DD39A127F43AB420676@TRIUMPH.local>

The TR/MG Challenge gives the spectators somebody to cheer for, plus it gives
CMS more fodder to write about.  Plus it's an opportunity for some lucky racer
to get his or her name and car's picture published in a magazine. The way I
see it, it's all good fun...

I view any enduro as track time. I never take them very seriously, it's just
another session. Sometimes I don't even refuel. I just run until I am tired,
rest for a while in the pits and go out again, waiting long enough that I know
I will finish without running out of gas. The CMS enduro is only 45 minutes,
so with the manditory pit stop most will not need to refuel.

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Joe Alexander
  To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates

  Not sure what this MG VS TR stuff is about.....doesnt sound very
attractive.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Feb 28 12:42:33 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:42:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
In-Reply-To: <A02B92B1270E4DD39A127F43AB420676@TRIUMPH.local>
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 but not with the Kastner Cup, right?



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>; Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates


The TR/MG Challenge gives the spectators somebody to cheer for, plus it gives
CMS more fodder to write about.  Plus it's an opportunity for some lucky racer
to get his or her name and car's picture published in a magazine. The way I
see it, it's all good fun...

I view any enduro as track time. I never take them very seriously, it's just
another session. Sometimes I don't even refuel. I just run until I am tired,
rest for a while in the pits and go out again, waiting long enough that I know
I will finish without running out of gas. The CMS enduro is only 45 minutes,
so with the manditory pit stop most will not need to refuel.

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com

----- Original Message -----

From:   Joe Alexander

To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; fot at autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:16   PM

Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates


Not sure what this MG   VS TR stuff is about.....doesnt sound very
attractive.


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Tue Feb 28 12:50:06 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:50:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
References: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>
	<8CEC453CBF3989A-1AF4-2D8A@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com>
	<A02B92B1270E4DD39A127F43AB420676@TRIUMPH.local>
	<8CEC4683FA601CC-9E4-4A4@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <F0A3ED27CADB4460AA73CF5AADA9F9AB@TRIUMPH.local>

As always, the Kastner Cup will be a Sprint Race. No pit stop required!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Joe Alexander


  but not with the Kastner Cup, right?



  Joe Alexander
  A. R. E.
  645 1st Street
  Jesup, Iowa 50648
  319.464.4711  (cell)
  n197tr4 at cs.com





  -----Original Message-----
  From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>


  I view any enduro as track time. I never take them very seriously, it's just
another session. Sometimes I don't even refuel. I just run until I am tired,
rest for a while in the pits and go out again, waiting long enough that I know
I will finish without running out of gas. The CMS enduro is only 45 minutes,
so with the manditory pit stop most will not need to refuel.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Feb 28 13:09:43 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:09:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
In-Reply-To: <F0A3ED27CADB4460AA73CF5AADA9F9AB@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local><8CEC453CBF3989A-1AF4-2D8A@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com><A02B92B1270E4DD39A127F43AB420676@TRIUMPH.local><8CEC4683FA601CC-9E4-4A4@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com>
	<F0A3ED27CADB4460AA73CF5AADA9F9AB@TRIUMPH.local>
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 Henry,

no, i am talking about a MG/TR Challenge.....we are not running MGs with the
Kastner Cup, right?

there are folks that have been led to believe that.  i have been dispelling
that idea.

that would be a very unhappy thought.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates


As always, the Kastner Cup will be a Sprint Race. No pit stop required!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Joe Alexander


  but not with the Kastner Cup, right?



  Joe Alexander
  A. R. E.
  645 1st Street
  Jesup, Iowa 50648
  319.464.4711  (cell)
  n197tr4 at cs.com





  -----Original Message-----
  From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>


  I view any enduro as track time. I never take them very seriously, it's
just
another session. Sometimes I don't even refuel. I just run until I am tired,
rest for a while in the pits and go out again, waiting long enough that I
know
I will finish without running out of gas. The CMS enduro is only 45 minutes,
so with the manditory pit stop most will not need to refuel.
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Feb 28 13:35:56 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:35:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
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 OK,  NO MGs....I thought so, but wanted to confirm. It has been a point of
confusion that I have answered several times.


I think the pivotal issue, if I understand, is that if we get enough TRIUMPH
entries we will be afforded OUR OWN RUN GROUP.

That seems like a very cool idea.







Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Reid <andy at grassrootsmotorsports.com>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 2:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates


No there are no MG cars running in the Kastner Cup race.
How's that for a definitive answer. :)
Andy


Andy Reid
Senior Editor/Marketing Director
Classic Motorsports magazine
Grassroots Motorsports magazine
andy at classicmotorsports.net
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
804-400-6258



On Feb 28, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Joe Alexander wrote:

> Henry,
>
> no, i am talking about a MG/TR Challenge.....we are not running MGs with
the
> Kastner Cup, right?
>
> there are folks that have been led to believe that.  i have been dispelling
> that idea.
>
> that would be a very unhappy thought.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
> To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:50 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates
>
>
> As always, the Kastner Cup will be a Sprint Race. No pit stop required!
>
> Henry
> yellow04 at tr4racer.com
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Joe Alexander
>
>
>  but not with the Kastner Cup, right?
>
>
>
>  Joe Alexander
>  A. R. E.
>  645 1st Street
>  Jesup, Iowa 50648
>  319.464.4711  (cell)
>  n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
>
>
>  I view any enduro as track time. I never take them very seriously, it's
> just
> another session. Sometimes I don't even refuel. I just run until I am
tired,
> rest for a while in the pits and go out again, waiting long enough that I
> know
> I will finish without running out of gas. The CMS enduro is only 45
minutes,
> so with the manditory pit stop most will not need to refuel.
> _______________________________________________
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From igofaster at att.net  Tue Feb 28 18:28:59 2012
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:28:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT-6+ DYNO!
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I see no reason to ever go back... buttload of jets and needles available at 
your nearest Harley Davidson shop, and the GT-6+ was BARKING this weekend.... I 
turned 2:08's in the 2.90 mile road circuit at Texas Motor Speedway, my fastest 
times ever... I was leading the DP cars except for the Lotus Super 7 which was 
turning 2:00's... I even kept pace with a few of the slower CP Porsche 911's... 
unbelievable weekend. My BEST EVER!....    makes up for all those lonely nights 
wrenching and bitching in my garage...

Bobby Whitehead
DP #39 Triumph GT-6+

Mitty fever!
To: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
Sent: Thu, February 23, 2012 5:48:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph GT-6+ DYNO!


So how do you like those mikuni's now ?
I'm curious though about modifying the jets, I haven't had to do that.
 
jim g


 
________________________________
 
From: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>
To: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:10:34 AM
Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT-6+ DYNO!

Thanks to Gregg Rodgers @ Pinnacle Autosports we got the GT-6+ dialed in on the 
dyno. My car was the 1st mule to run in his new shop at Eagles Canyon this week. 

What started out a dismal 79 h.p. was soon dialed in with modifying the jets and 

the timing with the Mukini carb's set up...my brand new re-built harmonic 
balancer from Damper Doctor was at least 11 degrees off...lovely....  by early 
morning though we had 112 hp @ 6000 rpm ... AND getting an alignment was way 
over due as well....   should be ready for the weekend at Texas World as I'm 
'fixin' to go to WalMart for groceries... this is my fun weekend before the 
MITTY...    

Bobby Whitehead 
1970 GT-6+
#39 DP Puke Yellow
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From jason at multivintage.com  Tue Feb 28 19:08:15 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:08:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT-6+ DYNO!
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Bobby,
Looks like you've found a little more than 112 hp.
Nice.
If Jim G. is feeding you his Mikuni speed secrets, I'm in trouble for the
Mitty.
Sounds like your car is running great!
Looking forward to April!
Nice recovery!
Happy to hear you had a solid weekend.
Hope to have you as drafting partner to challenge all those damn roadsters
at Road Atlanta.
You know a GT6 has never won the Cup!?
Maybe this year!

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+




On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net> wrote:

> I see no reason to ever go back... buttload of jets and needles available
> at
> your nearest Harley Davidson shop, and the GT-6+ was BARKING this
> weekend.... I
> turned 2:08's in the 2.90 mile road circuit at Texas Motor Speedway, my
> fastest
> times ever... I was leading the DP cars except for the Lotus Super 7 which
> was
> turning 2:00's... I even kept pace with a few of the slower CP Porsche
> 911's...
> unbelievable weekend. My BEST EVER!....    makes up for all those lonely
> nights
> wrenching and bitching in my garage...
>
> Bobby Whitehead
> DP #39 Triumph GT-6+
>
> Mitty fever!
> To: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
> Sent: Thu, February 23, 2012 5:48:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph GT-6+ DYNO!
>
>
> So how do you like those mikuni's now ?
> I'm curious though about modifying the jets, I haven't had to do that.
>
> jim g
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>
> To: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:10:34 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT-6+ DYNO!
>
> Thanks to Gregg Rodgers @ Pinnacle Autosports we got the GT-6+ dialed in
> on the
> dyno. My car was the 1st mule to run in his new shop at Eagles Canyon this
> week.
>
> What started out a dismal 79 h.p. was soon dialed in with modifying the
> jets and
>
> the timing with the Mukini carb's set up...my brand new re-built harmonic
> balancer from Damper Doctor was at least 11 degrees off...lovely....  by
> early
> morning though we had 112 hp @ 6000 rpm ... AND getting an alignment was
> way
> over due as well....   should be ready for the weekend at Texas World as
> I'm
> 'fixin' to go to WalMart for groceries... this is my fun weekend before the
> MITTY...
>
> Bobby Whitehead
> 1970 GT-6+
> #39 DP Puke Yellow
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Feb 28 20:55:00 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:55:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT-6+ DYNO!
In-Reply-To: <CALCydYqwtQcvYD9y_p67mj++w_7qesAepjt0+hHF_kAr4kHfSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2025692777.1292999.1330040932527.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<1330478939.74575.YahooMailRC@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CALCydYqwtQcvYD9y_p67mj++w_7qesAepjt0+hHF_kAr4kHfSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F4DA194.7010904@bradakis.com>

Jason Ostrowski wrote:
> You know a GT6 has never won the Cup!?
> Maybe this year!
>
>

If a Herald can do it ...

My first Triumph was a GT6 -  I'm kind of fond of them.

I hope I can make the Mitty!

mjb.


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Wed Feb 29 10:09:18 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:09:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Important Mitty Update
Message-ID: <AA51832BDB0348228585A13744983410@TRIUMPH.local>

To all those folks bringing multiple drivers for one car. Assuming our 
generous amount of track time is not enough, we just got approval to run 
with the normal HSR run group for an additional cost of 1/2 of the entry 
fee.

So you can almost double your track time for $260. Now that's a bargain!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 


From billdentin at aol.com  Wed Feb 29 18:07:47 2012
From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:07:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] AUTOWEEK Article...
Message-ID: <8CEC55ED9622932-1E48-DCE8@webmail-d080.sysops.aol.com>

Amici...

There is a nice feature article on Bob Tullius in the current issue of
AUTOWEEK.

Bill Dentinger


From andy at grassrootsmotorsports.com  Tue Feb 28 13:14:37 2012
From: andy at grassrootsmotorsports.com (Andy Reid)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:14:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
In-Reply-To: <8CEC46C0B3D6856-9E4-94B@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com>
References: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local><8CEC453CBF3989A-1AF4-2D8A@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com><A02B92B1270E4DD39A127F43AB420676@TRIUMPH.local><8CEC4683FA601CC-9E4-4A4@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com>
	<F0A3ED27CADB4460AA73CF5AADA9F9AB@TRIUMPH.local>
	<8CEC46C0B3D6856-9E4-94B@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <02F592C3-91B5-4E91-AB62-DECD12685E82@grassrootsmotorsports.com>

No there are no MG cars running in the Kastner Cup race.
How's that for a definitive answer. :)
Andy


Andy Reid
Senior Editor/Marketing Director
Classic Motorsports magazine
Grassroots Motorsports magazine
andy at classicmotorsports.net
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
804-400-6258



On Feb 28, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Joe Alexander wrote:

> Henry,
>
> no, i am talking about a MG/TR Challenge.....we are not running MGs with
the
> Kastner Cup, right?
>
> there are folks that have been led to believe that.  i have been dispelling
> that idea.
>
> that would be a very unhappy thought.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
> To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:50 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates
>
>
> As always, the Kastner Cup will be a Sprint Race. No pit stop required!
>
> Henry
> yellow04 at tr4racer.com
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Joe Alexander
>
>
>  but not with the Kastner Cup, right?
>
>
>
>  Joe Alexander
>  A. R. E.
>  645 1st Street
>  Jesup, Iowa 50648
>  319.464.4711  (cell)
>  n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
>
>
>  I view any enduro as track time. I never take them very seriously, it's
> just
> another session. Sometimes I don't even refuel. I just run until I am
tired,
> rest for a while in the pits and go out again, waiting long enough that I
> know
> I will finish without running out of gas. The CMS enduro is only 45
minutes,
> so with the manditory pit stop most will not need to refuel.
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Feb 26 23:51:32 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 23:51:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sorry for the intrusion
Message-ID: <4F4B27F4.8060302@bradakis.com>

Another test.

mjb.


From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Feb 27 02:04:06 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 02:04:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] What fun
Message-ID: <4F4B4706.9090303@bradakis.com>

Working on some major Team.Net upgrades.  I'd rather be
getting a Triumph ready for the coming summer.

mjb.


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Mon Feb 27 06:19:01 2012
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:19:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
In-Reply-To: <029097ab-52f8-4356-ae0e-fa2f1689a9f3@blur>
Message-ID: <1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Scott:
Your's was the only set of axles from the original 10-20 sets built by
Summer's to my specs that failed.  If I remember correctly, you had hit a curb
earlier in the day, which we thought may have dammaged the axles. In the
original design there is no taper between the hub and the axle.
The next year I gave the design to Mr's Summer's because I didn't want to dink
with axles anymore. Of course, since then time has taken it's toll...Summer's
Brothers has changed hands (twice) and the waters have been poluted. I ordered
two sets from the then owner of Summer's four years ago and what we received
from them was not the original design. The bearings have been changed to a
smaller size, and the axle is not retained in the housing in the same
manner. One of those two sets is currently experiencing issues thay may affect
it's performance. Truly disappointing.
Right now, the Chuck Gee designed, Joe Siam sold, (and sadly when last
checked, Summer's built) axles are the best design out there. Where as the
original design/built axles I did were in the $900-$1,200 range, Chuck's
design, being more extensive, is a bit more pricey. But, what price safety. If
I were building today I would use Chuck's design. The ones I did filled the
void that existed in 2001-2.
JMTC
-Ed-   

--- On Sat, 2/25/12, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:


From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
To: "Steven Groh" <sgroh1 at comcast.net>, fot at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 4:26 PM


Yes, my warning sign was a loud bang and a sudden tilt of the horizon 45 
degrees to port, followed by a 720-snap spin.  Hard to miss. 

Scott B.

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
www.mccarty-law.com

-----Original message-----
From: Steven Groh <sgroh1 at comcast.net>
To: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 21:41:27 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Mon Feb 27 06:33:28 2012
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:33:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
Message-ID: <31197902.1330349608255.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Guys I do have axles in stock. Thanks  Joe


-----Original Message-----
>From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
>Sent: Feb 27, 2012 5:19 AM
>To: Steven Groh <sgroh1 at comcast.net>, fot at autox.team.net, ScottBarr <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
>
>Scott:
>Your's was the only set of axles from the original 10-20 sets built by
>Summer's to my specs that failed.  If I remember correctly, you had hit a curb
>earlier in the day, which we thought may have dammaged the axles. In the
>original design there is no taper between the hub and the axle.
>The next year I gave the design to Mr's Summer's because I didn't want to dink
>with axles anymore. Of course, since then time has taken it's toll...Summer's
>Brothers has changed hands (twice) and the waters have been poluted. I ordered
>two sets from the then owner of Summer's four years ago and what we received
>from them was not the original design. The bearings have been changed to a
>smaller size, and the axle is not retained in the housing in the same
>manner. One of those two sets is currently experiencing issues thay may affect
>it's performance. Truly disappointing.
>Right now, the Chuck Gee designed, Joe Siam sold, (and sadly when last
>checked, Summer's built) axles are the best design out there. Where as the
>original design/built axles I did were in the $900-$1,200 range, Chuck's
>design, being more extensive, is a bit more pricey. But, what price safety. If
>I were building today I would use Chuck's design. The ones I did filled the
>void that existed in 2001-2.
>JMTC
>-Ed-   
>
>--- On Sat, 2/25/12, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:
>
>
>From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
>To: "Steven Groh" <sgroh1 at comcast.net>, fot at autox.team.net
>Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 4:26 PM
>
>
>Yes, my warning sign was a loud bang and a sudden tilt of the horizon 45 
>degrees to port, followed by a 720-snap spin.  Hard to miss. 
>
>Scott B.
>
>Scott Barr
>McCarty Law LLP
>(920) 257-2233
>www.mccarty-law.com
>
>-----Original message-----
>From: Steven Groh <sgroh1 at comcast.net>
>To: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 21:41:27 GMT+00:00
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
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818 350 6222


From horizonracing at msn.com  Mon Feb 27 07:26:42 2012
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 06:26:42 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
In-Reply-To: <1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <029097ab-52f8-4356-ae0e-fa2f1689a9f3@blur>,
	<1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT141-W37FF90DBFAC197B4279CAFB2690@phx.gbl>

How long were the axles in service ? when were they last Crack checked ?

> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:19:01 -0800
> From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net
> To: sgroh1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net; sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
>
> Scott:
> Your's was the only set of axles from the original 10-20 sets built by
> Summer's to my specs that failed.  If I remember correctly, you had hit a
curb
> earlier in the day, which we thought may have dammaged the axles. In the
> original design there is no taper between the hub and the axle.
> The next year I gave the design to Mr's Summer's because I didn't want to
dink
> with axles anymore. Of course, since then time has taken it's
toll...Summer's
> Brothers has changed hands (twice) and the waters have been poluted. I
ordered
> two sets from the then owner of Summer's four years ago and what we
received
> from them was not the original design. The bearings have been changed to a
> smaller size, and the axle is not retained in the housing in the same
> manner. One of those two sets is currently experiencing issues thay may
affect
> it's performance. Truly disappointing.
> Right now, the Chuck Gee designed, Joe Siam sold, (and sadly when last
> checked, Summer's built) axles are the best design out there. Where as the
> original design/built axles I did were in the $900-$1,200 range, Chuck's
> design, being more extensive, is a bit more pricey. But, what price safety.
If
> I were building today I would use Chuck's design. The ones I did filled the
> void that existed in 2001-2.
> JMTC
> -Ed-
>
> --- On Sat, 2/25/12, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
> To: "Steven Groh" <sgroh1 at comcast.net>, fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 4:26 PM
>
>
> Yes, my warning sign was a loud bang and a sudden tilt of the horizon 45
> degrees to port, followed by a 720-snap spin.  Hard to miss.
>
> Scott B.
>
> Scott Barr
> McCarty Law LLP
> (920) 257-2233
> www.mccarty-law.com
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: Steven Groh <sgroh1 at comcast.net>
> To: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
> Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 21:41:27 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon Feb 27 08:15:39 2012
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 09:15:39 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
In-Reply-To: <1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <029097ab-52f8-4356-ae0e-fa2f1689a9f3@blur>
	<1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8799@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

<< If I remember correctly, you had hit a curb earlier in the day >>

Nope.  Must be somebody else.  There are no curbs of that sort around
Blackhawk.

I certainly didn't mean to criticize your design, Ed.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 7:19 AM
To: Steven Groh; fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?

Scott:
Your's was the only set of axles from the original 10-20 sets built by
Summer's to my specs that failed.  If I remember correctly, you had hit
a curb earlier in the day, which we thought may have dammaged the axles.
In the original design there is no taper between the hub and the axle.
The next year I gave the design to Mr's Summer's because I didn't want
to dink with axles anymore. Of course, since then time has taken it's
toll...Summer's Brothers has changed hands (twice) and the waters have
been poluted. I ordered two sets from the then owner of Summer's four
years ago and what we received from them was not the original design.
The bearings have been changed to a smaller size, and the axle is not
retained in the housing in the same manner. One of those two sets is
currently experiencing issues thay may affect it's performance. Truly
disappointing.
Right now, the Chuck Gee designed, Joe Siam sold, (and sadly when last
checked, Summer's built) axles are the best design out there. Where as
the original design/built axles I did were in the $900-$1,200 range,
Chuck's design, being more extensive, is a bit more pricey. But, what
price safety. If I were building today I would use Chuck's design. The
ones I did filled the void that existed in 2001-2.
JMTC
-Ed-

--- On Sat, 2/25/12, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:


From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
To: "Steven Groh" <sgroh1 at comcast.net>, fot at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 4:26 PM


Yes, my warning sign was a loud bang and a sudden tilt of the horizon 45
degrees to port, followed by a 720-snap spin.  Hard to miss.

Scott B.

Scott Barr
McCarty Law LLP
(920) 257-2233
www.mccarty-law.com

-----Original message-----
From: Steven Groh <sgroh1 at comcast.net>
To: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 21:41:27 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon Feb 27 08:18:37 2012
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 09:18:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
In-Reply-To: <SNT141-W37FF90DBFAC197B4279CAFB2690@phx.gbl>
References: <029097ab-52f8-4356-ae0e-fa2f1689a9f3@blur>,
	<1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT141-W37FF90DBFAC197B4279CAFB2690@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD879A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

<< How long were the axles in service ? when were they last Crack
checked ?  >>



Approximately three years.  I didn't crack-check them during that time.



Scott





From: Tony and Annie Garmey [mailto:horizonracing at msn.com]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 8:27 AM
To: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; sgroh1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net;
Barr, Scott
Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?



How long were the axles in service ? when were they last Crack checked ?



> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:19:01 -0800
> From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net
> To: sgroh1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net; sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
>
> Scott:
> Your's was the only set of axles from the original 10-20 sets built by
> Summer's to my specs that failed. If I remember correctly, you had hit
a curb
> earlier in the day, which we thought may have dammaged the axles. In
the
> original design there is no taper between the hub and the axle.
> The next year I gave the design to Mr's Summer's because I didn't want
to dink
> with axles anymore. Of course, since then time has taken it's
toll...Summer's
> Brothers has changed hands (twice) and the waters have been poluted. I
ordered
> two sets from the then owner of Summer's four years ago and what we
received
> from them was not the original design. The bearings have been changed
to a
> smaller size, and the axle is not retained in the housing in the same
> manner. One of those two sets is currently experiencing issues thay
may affect
> it's performance. Truly disappointing.
> Right now, the Chuck Gee designed, Joe Siam sold, (and sadly when last
> checked, Summer's built) axles are the best design out there. Where as
the
> original design/built axles I did were in the $900-$1,200 range,
Chuck's
> design, being more extensive, is a bit more pricey. But, what price
safety. If
> I were building today I would use Chuck's design. The ones I did
filled the
> void that existed in 2001-2.
> JMTC
> -Ed-
>
> --- On Sat, 2/25/12, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
> To: "Steven Groh" <sgroh1 at comcast.net>, fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 4:26 PM
>
>
> Yes, my warning sign was a loud bang and a sudden tilt of the horizon
45
> degrees to port, followed by a 720-snap spin. Hard to miss.
>
> Scott B.


From horizonracing at msn.com  Mon Feb 27 08:54:30 2012
From: horizonracing at msn.com (horizonracing at msn.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:54:30 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD879A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <029097ab-52f8-4356-ae0e-fa2f1689a9f3@blur>,
	<1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT141-W37FF90DBFAC197B4279CAFB2690@phx.gbl>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD879A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP26B5C790EAAC238E55207BB2690@phx.gbl>

Can you decribe the crack/break. is it a clean shear? Can you see a lot of  
small lines across the face(s) ? Dirty at the point of failure? 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

-----Original message-----
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: Tony and Annie Garmey <horizonracing at msn.com>,  
edwardbarnard at prodigy.net, sgroh1 at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2012 07:18:37 PST
Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?

<< How long were the axles in service ? when were they last Crack
checked ?  >>

 

Approximately three years.  I didn't crack-check them during that time.

 

Scott

 

 

From: Tony and Annie Garmey [mailto:horizonracing at msn.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 8:27 AM
To: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; sgroh1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net;
Barr, Scott
Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?

 

How long were the axles in service ? when were they last Crack checked ?

 

> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:19:01 -0800
> From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net
> To: sgroh1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net; sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
> 
> Scott:
> Your's was the only set of axles from the original 10-20 sets built by
> Summer's to my specs that failed. If I remember correctly, you had hit
a curb
> earlier in the day, which we thought may have dammaged the axles. In
the
> original design there is no taper between the hub and the axle.
> The next year I gave the design to Mr's Summer's because I didn't want
to dink
> with axles anymore. Of course, since then time has taken it's
toll...Summer's
> Brothers has changed hands (twice) and the waters have been poluted. I
ordered
> two sets from the then owner of Summer's four years ago and what we
received
> from them was not the original design. The bearings have been changed
to a
> smaller size, and the axle is not retained in the housing in the same
> manner. One of those two sets is currently experiencing issues thay
may affect
> it's performance. Truly disappointing.
> Right now, the Chuck Gee designed, Joe Siam sold, (and sadly when last
> checked, Summer's built) axles are the best design out there. Where as
the
> original design/built axles I did were in the $900-$1,200 range,
Chuck's
> design, being more extensive, is a bit more pricey. But, what price
safety. If
> I were building today I would use Chuck's design. The ones I did
filled the
> void that existed in 2001-2.
> JMTC
> -Ed- 
> 
> --- On Sat, 2/25/12, Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Barr, Scott <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
> To: "Steven Groh" <sgroh1 at comcast.net>, fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Saturday, February 25, 2012, 4:26 PM
> 
> 
> Yes, my warning sign was a loud bang and a sudden tilt of the horizon
45 
> degrees to port, followed by a 720-snap spin. Hard to miss. 
> 
> Scott B.


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon Feb 27 09:16:05 2012
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:16:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP26B5C790EAAC238E55207BB2690@phx.gbl>
References: <029097ab-52f8-4356-ae0e-fa2f1689a9f3@blur>,
	<1330348741.43027.YahooMailClassic@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<SNT141-W37FF90DBFAC197B4279CAFB2690@phx.gbl>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD879A@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP26B5C790EAAC238E55207BB2690@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD879E@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Going solely by memory hereb&

 

IIRC, we concluded there was a small inclusion.  Starting there, we had small beach marks out to the larger fracture point.  No rust in the fracture.

 

Scott B.

 

From: horizonracing at msn.com [mailto:horizonracing at msn.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 9:55 AM
To: Barr, Scott; sgroh1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net; edwardbarnard at prodigy.net
Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?

 

Can you decribe the crack/break. is it a clean shear? Can you see a lot of small lines across the face(s) ? Dirty at the point of failure? 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID



-----Original message-----

From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: Tony and Annie Garmey <horizonracing at msn.com>, edwardbarnard at prodigy.net, sgroh1 at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2012 07:18:37 PST
Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?

<< How long were the axles in service ? when were they last Crack checked ?  >>

 

Approximately three years.  I didnbt crack-check them during that time.

 

Scott

 

 

From: Tony and Annie Garmey [mailto:horizonracing at msn.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 8:27 AM
To: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; sgroh1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott
Subject: RE: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?

 

How long were the axles in service ? when were they last Crack checked ? 


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Feb 27 11:40:34 2012
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:40:34 -0800
Subject: [Fot] German made Healy-like sportscar
Message-ID: <FFC84E725E174829A6E4A73E578F9778@Charly>

I was looking at some videos Chris Marx sent of the new track in Germany and
came across this.  Chris says this is the one of the best selling sportscars
in Germany, next to the Porsche.

http://www.wiesmann.com/en

Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44


From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Mon Feb 27 15:49:35 2012
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:49:35 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Fot] Axle kit
Message-ID: <7789503.1330382975673.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Tim, Yes 7/16 ARP studs installed total flange to flange is approx 19 3/8
There is a spacer that can be shortened to narrow the track or fit a longer
one to increase you track.  Cost of the axle set as seen on my web site is
$2000.00 It comes with everything you need to install.  thanks  Joe


-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Pettenati <pettenat at pacbell.net>
>Sent: Feb 27, 2012 7:31 AM
>To: Joseph Siam <jsiam1 at earthlink.net>
>Subject: Re: Axle kit
>
>Joe,
>
>Are wheel studs included?B  If so what size? If not what is the lug bolt hole
>size in the hub?B  I'm using 7/16 and would like to keep that size.
>
>Do you have an overall length measurement.B  I have an early Spit, that may
have
>been fitted with longer axles.B  I'd like to match what I currently have.B 
So a
>total length flange to hub would be most useful.B  I'll be able to provide
mine
>later today.
>
>What would my 'Racer ' price be for the kit?
>
>Thanks,
>Tim
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Joseph Siam <jsiam1 at earthlink.net>
>To: fot at autox.team.net; sbarr at McCarty-Law.com
>Sent: Mon, February 27, 2012 5:33:28 AM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire rollover?
>
>Hi Guys I do have axles in stock. ThanksB  Joe


Chequered Flag Racing .net
Joseph P. Siam
9833 Deering Ave unit I
Chatsworth Ca 91311
818 350 6222


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Feb 27 16:02:51 2012
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:02:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Bob Goes for a SAT Ride
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1202271802280.28435@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

Check out this in-car vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JBqlqyWt0Q&feature=youtu.be

To some, putting a Toyota engine in a Triumph is outright sacrilige, but this 
car is proof-positive that you can make a great handling FAST Triumph for a lot 
less $$$ than you might think.

In any case, enjoy!

regards,
rml
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Former NER Solo Chair                          |
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Feb 28 01:19:06 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 01:19:06 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Fot] Server updates
Message-ID: <20120228081906.A61042E0C2@bradakis.com>

The mailing lists should be working again as you've probably noticed
over the last day or so.  The mailman pages at
http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo also seem to be working better.

Still having issues with the forums, though now the error messages
are different.  I guess that's progress ;-)  And there are some
issues with the archives getting rebuilt.  What fun when switching
to all sorts of new software version, updated operating system, new
hardware ....

If you do have troubles with your subscriptions and the web interface
let me know, I'll work on getting things resolved.  Right now I think I'll
watch some cooking videos to relax before I head off to bed.


mjb.


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Tue Feb 28 09:53:27 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:53:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
Message-ID: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>

Lots of good news on the Mitty!

The schedule will be out within the next two weeks. The Kastner Cup race 
will be Satuday early afternoon.

We will be running our own run group. I have been asked if we mind if they 
put some MG's in with us, I told them our numbers show we have a full grid, 
and we would prefer to keep all Triumph powered cars. I am pushing hard for 
an all-Triumph grid, our best shot for that is for everyone going to send in 
your entry as soon as possible! As previously reported, we have a special 
exception to HSR's refund policy, if you pre-register and for some reason 
can't run, a full cash refund up to the time you unload at the track.

We are all invited to run the Classic Motorsports Enduro Sunday morning, no 
additional cost! CMS is working on some sort of Triumph - MG Challenge 
during the enduro to showcase the long standing rivaly.

Bob Lang has volunteered to be our official Photographer, (thanks Bob!) and 
has full photographer credentials, so we should get some great shots. We are 
planning on doing another panoramic photo of the race cars.

If you get a Triumph street car to Road Atlanta, you will get to drive the 
track at lunchtime. The Georgia Trumphs Association is putting on an event 
at the track and has a super deal going for access to the track all weekend 
and a participants choice car show. Look here: 
http://www.gatriumph.com/walter_mitty.htm

Stay tuned, more to come!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Feb 28 10:16:09 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:16:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
In-Reply-To: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <8CEC453CBF3989A-1AF4-2D8A@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com>

 Having the Kastner Cup on Saturday is just excellent, methinks.

The Enduro on Sunday morning at no added cost sounds very good.

Not sure what is scheduled in the afternoon, but that might be an option for
long tow guys to leave early to get back to work. I know this might apply to
my family.

YUP, time to get entries in. There is no reason left not to.

Not sure what this MG VS TR stuff is about.....doesnt sound very attractive.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 10:53 am
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates


Lots of good news on the Mitty!

The schedule will be out within the next two weeks. The Kastner Cup race
will be Satuday early afternoon.

We will be running our own run group. I have been asked if we mind if they
put some MG's in with us, I told them our numbers show we have a full grid,
and we would prefer to keep all Triumph powered cars. I am pushing hard for
an all-Triumph grid, our best shot for that is for everyone going to send in
your entry as soon as possible! As previously reported, we have a special
exception to HSR's refund policy, if you pre-register and for some reason
can't run, a full cash refund up to the time you unload at the track.

We are all invited to run the Classic Motorsports Enduro Sunday morning, no
additional cost! CMS is working on some sort of Triumph - MG Challenge
during the enduro to showcase the long standing rivaly.

Bob Lang has volunteered to be our official Photographer, (thanks Bob!) and
has full photographer credentials, so we should get some great shots. We are
planning on doing another panoramic photo of the race cars.

If you get a Triumph street car to Road Atlanta, you will get to drive the
track at lunchtime. The Georgia Trumphs Association is putting on an event
at the track and has a super deal going for access to the track all weekend
and a participants choice car show. Look here:
http://www.gatriumph.com/walter_mitty.htm

Stay tuned, more to come!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 28 11:06:04 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:06:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
In-Reply-To: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <C95BCE44-DFA3-4AD1-BF42-1701DBFE5D71@yahoo.com>

Do they still have the Anglo-American challenge race and will we be able to
run in it? I had a blast driving in that race one year. It really gets the
attention of the American V8 cars when the lowly British cars pass them in the
turns!

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 28, 2012, at 10:53 AM, <yellow04 at tr4racer.com> wrote:

> Lots of good news on the Mitty!
>
> The schedule will be out within the next two weeks. The Kastner Cup race
> will be Satuday early afternoon.
>
> We will be running our own run group. I have been asked if we mind if they
> put some MG's in with us, I told them our numbers show we have a full grid,
> and we would prefer to keep all Triumph powered cars. I am pushing hard for
> an all-Triumph grid, our best shot for that is for everyone going to send in
> your entry as soon as possible! As previously reported, we have a special
> exception to HSR's refund policy, if you pre-register and for some reason
> can't run, a full cash refund up to the time you unload at the track.
>
> We are all invited to run the Classic Motorsports Enduro Sunday morning, no
> additional cost! CMS is working on some sort of Triumph - MG Challenge
> during the enduro to showcase the long standing rivaly.
>
> Bob Lang has volunteered to be our official Photographer, (thanks Bob!) and
> has full photographer credentials, so we should get some great shots. We are
> planning on doing another panoramic photo of the race cars.
>
> If you get a Triumph street car to Road Atlanta, you will get to drive the
> track at lunchtime. The Georgia Trumphs Association is putting on an event
> at the track and has a super deal going for access to the track all weekend
> and a participants choice car show. Look here:
> http://www.gatriumph.com/walter_mitty.htm
>
> Stay tuned, more to come!
>
> Henry
> yellow04 at tr4racer.com
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Tue Feb 28 11:14:40 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:14:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
References: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>
	<C95BCE44-DFA3-4AD1-BF42-1701DBFE5D71@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <319CCB9490CF4FA699A9D2871872632F@TRIUMPH.local>

I ran the Anglo-American race as well, it was a hoot!

Apparently they have not run that one in a few years, so don't count on it. 
I did ask, who knows, we might get lucky!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Munson" <fasttrs at yahoo.com>
To: <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates


Do they still have the Anglo-American challenge race and will we be able to 
run in it? I had a blast driving in that race one year. It really gets the 
attention of the American V8 cars when the lowly British cars pass them in 
the turns! 


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Feb 28 11:56:59 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:56:59 -0600
Subject: [Fot] CVAR Feb race weekend report Part 1
Message-ID: <1C192DD8B65141EDB2F8F3AB52D0B54B@kramerde634093>

Friends,



The Texas FOT season began last weekend with the CVAR Spring School and
Races. TxFOT was well represented with a TR3, TR4, TR4A, GT6 and two
Triumph powered Morgans on hand. All the Triumph cars made every race
all weekend and except for a couple of minor inconveniences held up
remarkably well. Bobby Whitehead led the way for the Group 7 Triumphs
with him and his GT6 setting a personal best 2:08 around TWS and he ran
well all weekend with the two TR4s in hot pursuit. Greg Blake paced the
two Morgans in Group 4, hitting consistent 2:09s and 2:10s.



Bobby has spent the last few years struggling with the GT6, from
transmission problems to fuel issues and he fully enjoyed what I think
was his first weekend with a sorted car. Greg finished bolting in his
rebuilt engine with little time to spare and he was more than pleased
with the results. My son Andrew bought his first set of new Hoosier
Speedsters and thoroughly enjoyed them, besting with a 2:10s and
beating his dad more than once.



I was saved on the first Saturday race when the ceramic cracked and the
electrode in spark plug number 4 left home. He developed a misfire
coming to the checker and I got by. I joked that my remote kill switch
worked, but once I saw the plug I was more worried about piston damage.
We got the scope out and after some twisting and turning we felt
comfortable that the pieces escaped through the exhaust. He bested both
Bobby and my lap times that afternoon, so the engine appears to have
suffered no ill affects. That race started with a Porsche 911
downshifting to first instead of up shifting to third. He locked them
up; snap spun around and collected an Alfa door and sprayed bumper and
light pieces all over the track. I managed to get through OK after
getting pelted with dirt and grass from another 911 coming back on to
the racing surface, but Bobby and Andrew had less luck. Andrew had to
make a quick dive to escape.



During that race I managed to break both my new rear shock links,
resulting in a nice bouncy ride. I thought better of it and took the
DNF. Ill have to re-think the heim jointed shock links. They came with
the car, but I broke one of the original rods and replaced them with
modified grade 8 with poly trailing arm bushings. I thought it was an
upgrade, but the Grade 8 doesnt bend well and the poly doesnt give. I
had to get creative to fix it for the rest of the weekend, but some more
bolts and = tubing did the trick. Bobby also took a DNF in that race, I
think because he had to drive through the debris and wasnt sure about
tires.



Bob Kramer


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Feb 28 11:57:43 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:57:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] CVAR Feb race weekend report Part 2
Message-ID: <AA2A9D94E881449E8E4601E94E3980F5@kramerde634093>

Part 2

 

Sunday was also exciting. Our DNF's put Andrew out front and Bobby
behind me. I raced Bobby as hard as I could and held him off until the
7th lap of an 8 lap race. Four of those laps were with Andrew directly
in front of us so we put on a great Triumph show until Andrew
accidentally hit the ignition switch on his car, causing a backfire
while killing the engine. He made the safe choice and pulled behind the
wall. The second race also had a spin near the start. TWS races start on
the NASCAR front straight and we pull off to the infield on a wide high
speed sweeper into Turn 2, run a short straight to a 90 degree right
after significant braking. Race starts usually go well until the tire
smoke at Turn 3. This time, another 911 spun going off track at the apex
in turn 3 bringing dirt onto the track along with the requisite smoke. I
was a few rows back, on the inside (planning the same move the 911
missed on) and ended up headed right for his tail. I quickly decided
that if I squirted to his right, he, being a Porsche guy, would not stay
put and he would hit me or I'd hit him. I tucked in behind, squeezing a
Fiat to the outside and giving myself the inside for Turn 4. Bobby was
right in front of me and soon Andrew caught up and we finished I that
order. We had the trailer set up and drove right in. Success.

 

Greg had his own fun in Group 4 spending the weekend leading his class
and dicing mostly with an early Corvette 283. I watched one race from
the TWS carousel and you could hear how much the Corvette wanted to keep
the TR3 behind him. He squealed his way through the 180 every lap and on
the last lap he got on the brakes too late. Greg had him on the exit but
the Vette guy couldn't hold his line on the exit and Greg had to get out
of the gas. Duncan Charlton's Tr4 powered Morgan wasn't far behind Greg
all weekend and it was cool to watch him and Piers Gormly in the other
Morgan besting the Healey's and MGA's.

 

The TxFOT bunch is pretty much ready for the Mitty. My car needs tires
badly. I stretched them out by only racing three times a year. You know,
they last longer when the get old but the lap times go up. It was
obvious that both Bobby and Andrew had more power down the straight than
I did so I guess the engine is a little tired too. I may have to freshen
that baby up between now and April. Greg is ready, Bobby is too. We are
not taking Andrew's car, so that frees up trailer space for Bob Blake's
TR4, currently getting a new engine. The Spit's of Joe Hovey and Bill
Collins also skipped the Feb race so they have no excuses. I'm not sure
about the CVAR Morgan's, but I'd be happy with 6 cars making it from TX.

 

Bob Kramer


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Tue Feb 28 12:37:41 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:37:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
References: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>
	<8CEC453CBF3989A-1AF4-2D8A@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <A02B92B1270E4DD39A127F43AB420676@TRIUMPH.local>

The TR/MG Challenge gives the spectators somebody to cheer for, plus it gives
CMS more fodder to write about.  Plus it's an opportunity for some lucky racer
to get his or her name and car's picture published in a magazine. The way I
see it, it's all good fun...

I view any enduro as track time. I never take them very seriously, it's just
another session. Sometimes I don't even refuel. I just run until I am tired,
rest for a while in the pits and go out again, waiting long enough that I know
I will finish without running out of gas. The CMS enduro is only 45 minutes,
so with the manditory pit stop most will not need to refuel.

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Joe Alexander
  To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates

  Not sure what this MG VS TR stuff is about.....doesnt sound very
attractive.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Feb 28 12:42:33 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:42:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
In-Reply-To: <A02B92B1270E4DD39A127F43AB420676@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>
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 but not with the Kastner Cup, right?



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>; Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates


The TR/MG Challenge gives the spectators somebody to cheer for, plus it gives
CMS more fodder to write about.  Plus it's an opportunity for some lucky racer
to get his or her name and car's picture published in a magazine. The way I
see it, it's all good fun...

I view any enduro as track time. I never take them very seriously, it's just
another session. Sometimes I don't even refuel. I just run until I am tired,
rest for a while in the pits and go out again, waiting long enough that I know
I will finish without running out of gas. The CMS enduro is only 45 minutes,
so with the manditory pit stop most will not need to refuel.

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com

----- Original Message -----

From:   Joe Alexander

To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; fot at autox.team.net

Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:16   PM

Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates


Not sure what this MG   VS TR stuff is about.....doesnt sound very
attractive.


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Tue Feb 28 12:50:06 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:50:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
References: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local>
	<8CEC453CBF3989A-1AF4-2D8A@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com>
	<A02B92B1270E4DD39A127F43AB420676@TRIUMPH.local>
	<8CEC4683FA601CC-9E4-4A4@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com>
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As always, the Kastner Cup will be a Sprint Race. No pit stop required!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Joe Alexander


  but not with the Kastner Cup, right?



  Joe Alexander
  A. R. E.
  645 1st Street
  Jesup, Iowa 50648
  319.464.4711  (cell)
  n197tr4 at cs.com





  -----Original Message-----
  From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>


  I view any enduro as track time. I never take them very seriously, it's just
another session. Sometimes I don't even refuel. I just run until I am tired,
rest for a while in the pits and go out again, waiting long enough that I know
I will finish without running out of gas. The CMS enduro is only 45 minutes,
so with the manditory pit stop most will not need to refuel.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Feb 28 13:09:43 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:09:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
In-Reply-To: <F0A3ED27CADB4460AA73CF5AADA9F9AB@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local><8CEC453CBF3989A-1AF4-2D8A@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com><A02B92B1270E4DD39A127F43AB420676@TRIUMPH.local><8CEC4683FA601CC-9E4-4A4@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com>
	<F0A3ED27CADB4460AA73CF5AADA9F9AB@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <8CEC46C0B3D6856-9E4-94B@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com>

 Henry,

no, i am talking about a MG/TR Challenge.....we are not running MGs with the
Kastner Cup, right?

there are folks that have been led to believe that.  i have been dispelling
that idea.

that would be a very unhappy thought.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates


As always, the Kastner Cup will be a Sprint Race. No pit stop required!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Joe Alexander


  but not with the Kastner Cup, right?



  Joe Alexander
  A. R. E.
  645 1st Street
  Jesup, Iowa 50648
  319.464.4711  (cell)
  n197tr4 at cs.com





  -----Original Message-----
  From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>


  I view any enduro as track time. I never take them very seriously, it's
just
another session. Sometimes I don't even refuel. I just run until I am tired,
rest for a while in the pits and go out again, waiting long enough that I
know
I will finish without running out of gas. The CMS enduro is only 45 minutes,
so with the manditory pit stop most will not need to refuel.
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Feb 28 13:35:56 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:35:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
In-Reply-To: <02F592C3-91B5-4E91-AB62-DECD12685E82@grassrootsmotorsports.com>
References: <C7A9944CA3D449818CBD08B3167573E4@TRIUMPH.local><8CEC453CBF3989A-1AF4-2D8A@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com><A02B92B1270E4DD39A127F43AB420676@TRIUMPH.local><8CEC4683FA601CC-9E4-4A4@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com>
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 OK,  NO MGs....I thought so, but wanted to confirm. It has been a point of
confusion that I have answered several times.


I think the pivotal issue, if I understand, is that if we get enough TRIUMPH
entries we will be afforded OUR OWN RUN GROUP.

That seems like a very cool idea.







Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Reid <andy at grassrootsmotorsports.com>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 2:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates


No there are no MG cars running in the Kastner Cup race.
How's that for a definitive answer. :)
Andy


Andy Reid
Senior Editor/Marketing Director
Classic Motorsports magazine
Grassroots Motorsports magazine
andy at classicmotorsports.net
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
804-400-6258



On Feb 28, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Joe Alexander wrote:

> Henry,
>
> no, i am talking about a MG/TR Challenge.....we are not running MGs with
the
> Kastner Cup, right?
>
> there are folks that have been led to believe that.  i have been dispelling
> that idea.
>
> that would be a very unhappy thought.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
> To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:50 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates
>
>
> As always, the Kastner Cup will be a Sprint Race. No pit stop required!
>
> Henry
> yellow04 at tr4racer.com
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Joe Alexander
>
>
>  but not with the Kastner Cup, right?
>
>
>
>  Joe Alexander
>  A. R. E.
>  645 1st Street
>  Jesup, Iowa 50648
>  319.464.4711  (cell)
>  n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
>
>
>  I view any enduro as track time. I never take them very seriously, it's
> just
> another session. Sometimes I don't even refuel. I just run until I am
tired,
> rest for a while in the pits and go out again, waiting long enough that I
> know
> I will finish without running out of gas. The CMS enduro is only 45
minutes,
> so with the manditory pit stop most will not need to refuel.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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From igofaster at att.net  Tue Feb 28 18:28:59 2012
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:28:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT-6+ DYNO!
In-Reply-To: <2025692777.1292999.1330040932527.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <2025692777.1292999.1330040932527.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1330478939.74575.YahooMailRC@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I see no reason to ever go back... buttload of jets and needles available at 
your nearest Harley Davidson shop, and the GT-6+ was BARKING this weekend.... I 
turned 2:08's in the 2.90 mile road circuit at Texas Motor Speedway, my fastest 
times ever... I was leading the DP cars except for the Lotus Super 7 which was 
turning 2:00's... I even kept pace with a few of the slower CP Porsche 911's... 
unbelievable weekend. My BEST EVER!....    makes up for all those lonely nights 
wrenching and bitching in my garage...

Bobby Whitehead
DP #39 Triumph GT-6+

Mitty fever!
To: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
Sent: Thu, February 23, 2012 5:48:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph GT-6+ DYNO!


So how do you like those mikuni's now ?
I'm curious though about modifying the jets, I haven't had to do that.
 
jim g


 
________________________________
 
From: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>
To: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:10:34 AM
Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT-6+ DYNO!

Thanks to Gregg Rodgers @ Pinnacle Autosports we got the GT-6+ dialed in on the 
dyno. My car was the 1st mule to run in his new shop at Eagles Canyon this week. 

What started out a dismal 79 h.p. was soon dialed in with modifying the jets and 

the timing with the Mukini carb's set up...my brand new re-built harmonic 
balancer from Damper Doctor was at least 11 degrees off...lovely....  by early 
morning though we had 112 hp @ 6000 rpm ... AND getting an alignment was way 
over due as well....   should be ready for the weekend at Texas World as I'm 
'fixin' to go to WalMart for groceries... this is my fun weekend before the 
MITTY...    

Bobby Whitehead 
1970 GT-6+
#39 DP Puke Yellow
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From jason at multivintage.com  Tue Feb 28 19:08:15 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:08:15 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT-6+ DYNO!
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Bobby,
Looks like you've found a little more than 112 hp.
Nice.
If Jim G. is feeding you his Mikuni speed secrets, I'm in trouble for the
Mitty.
Sounds like your car is running great!
Looking forward to April!
Nice recovery!
Happy to hear you had a solid weekend.
Hope to have you as drafting partner to challenge all those damn roadsters
at Road Atlanta.
You know a GT6 has never won the Cup!?
Maybe this year!

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6+




On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net> wrote:

> I see no reason to ever go back... buttload of jets and needles available
> at
> your nearest Harley Davidson shop, and the GT-6+ was BARKING this
> weekend.... I
> turned 2:08's in the 2.90 mile road circuit at Texas Motor Speedway, my
> fastest
> times ever... I was leading the DP cars except for the Lotus Super 7 which
> was
> turning 2:00's... I even kept pace with a few of the slower CP Porsche
> 911's...
> unbelievable weekend. My BEST EVER!....    makes up for all those lonely
> nights
> wrenching and bitching in my garage...
>
> Bobby Whitehead
> DP #39 Triumph GT-6+
>
> Mitty fever!
> To: Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net>
> Sent: Thu, February 23, 2012 5:48:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph GT-6+ DYNO!
>
>
> So how do you like those mikuni's now ?
> I'm curious though about modifying the jets, I haven't had to do that.
>
> jim g
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: "Bobby Whitehead" <igofaster at att.net>
> To: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:10:34 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT-6+ DYNO!
>
> Thanks to Gregg Rodgers @ Pinnacle Autosports we got the GT-6+ dialed in
> on the
> dyno. My car was the 1st mule to run in his new shop at Eagles Canyon this
> week.
>
> What started out a dismal 79 h.p. was soon dialed in with modifying the
> jets and
>
> the timing with the Mukini carb's set up...my brand new re-built harmonic
> balancer from Damper Doctor was at least 11 degrees off...lovely....  by
> early
> morning though we had 112 hp @ 6000 rpm ... AND getting an alignment was
> way
> over due as well....   should be ready for the weekend at Texas World as
> I'm
> 'fixin' to go to WalMart for groceries... this is my fun weekend before the
> MITTY...
>
> Bobby Whitehead
> 1970 GT-6+
> #39 DP Puke Yellow
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Feb 28 20:55:00 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:55:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Triumph GT-6+ DYNO!
In-Reply-To: <CALCydYqwtQcvYD9y_p67mj++w_7qesAepjt0+hHF_kAr4kHfSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2025692777.1292999.1330040932527.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<1330478939.74575.YahooMailRC@web180807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CALCydYqwtQcvYD9y_p67mj++w_7qesAepjt0+hHF_kAr4kHfSw@mail.gmail.com>
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Jason Ostrowski wrote:
> You know a GT6 has never won the Cup!?
> Maybe this year!
>
>

If a Herald can do it ...

My first Triumph was a GT6 -  I'm kind of fond of them.

I hope I can make the Mitty!

mjb.


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Wed Feb 29 10:09:18 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:09:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Important Mitty Update
Message-ID: <AA51832BDB0348228585A13744983410@TRIUMPH.local>

To all those folks bringing multiple drivers for one car. Assuming our 
generous amount of track time is not enough, we just got approval to run 
with the normal HSR run group for an additional cost of 1/2 of the entry 
fee.

So you can almost double your track time for $260. Now that's a bargain!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 


From billdentin at aol.com  Wed Feb 29 18:07:47 2012
From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 20:07:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Fot] AUTOWEEK Article...
Message-ID: <8CEC55ED9622932-1E48-DCE8@webmail-d080.sysops.aol.com>

Amici...

There is a nice feature article on Bob Tullius in the current issue of
AUTOWEEK.

Bill Dentinger


From andy at grassrootsmotorsports.com  Tue Feb 28 13:14:37 2012
From: andy at grassrootsmotorsports.com (Andy Reid)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:14:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Mitty updates
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No there are no MG cars running in the Kastner Cup race.
How's that for a definitive answer. :)
Andy


Andy Reid
Senior Editor/Marketing Director
Classic Motorsports magazine
Grassroots Motorsports magazine
andy at classicmotorsports.net
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
804-400-6258



On Feb 28, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Joe Alexander wrote:

> Henry,
>
> no, i am talking about a MG/TR Challenge.....we are not running MGs with
the
> Kastner Cup, right?
>
> there are folks that have been led to believe that.  i have been dispelling
> that idea.
>
> that would be a very unhappy thought.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
> To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 1:50 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Mitty updates
>
>
> As always, the Kastner Cup will be a Sprint Race. No pit stop required!
>
> Henry
> yellow04 at tr4racer.com
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Joe Alexander
>
>
>  but not with the Kastner Cup, right?
>
>
>
>  Joe Alexander
>  A. R. E.
>  645 1st Street
>  Jesup, Iowa 50648
>  319.464.4711  (cell)
>  n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
>
>
>  I view any enduro as track time. I never take them very seriously, it's
> just
> another session. Sometimes I don't even refuel. I just run until I am
tired,
> rest for a while in the pits and go out again, waiting long enough that I
> know
> I will finish without running out of gas. The CMS enduro is only 45
minutes,
> so with the manditory pit stop most will not need to refuel.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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