From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Dec 2 11:59:07 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 13:59:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BFE Message-ID: The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 next Sunday. From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Dec 2 13:55:47 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:55:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] BFE Message-ID: <2ed8.f5f96d3.3ded1a53@aol.com> In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, trmarty at hotmail.com writes: > The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 > next > Sunday. > He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. Bill (Damdinger) From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Dec 2 15:44:13 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 17:44:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BFE References: <2ed8.f5f96d3.3ded1a53@aol.com> Message-ID: <22CA7C1C5CA8406DBD09C304342D3AD5@hpd530> I got stuff in my refrigerator that old! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE > In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, > trmarty at hotmail.com writes: > > >> The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 >> next >> Sunday. >> > > He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sun Dec 2 15:56:20 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:56:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BFE In-Reply-To: <22CA7C1C5CA8406DBD09C304342D3AD5@hpd530> References: <2ed8.f5f96d3.3ded1a53@aol.com> <22CA7C1C5CA8406DBD09C304342D3AD5@hpd530> Message-ID: <470DB8A1-F3FE-467E-A13A-5A14D867AAF5@gdhs.com> Careful you guys, I'm only 3 years behind him! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2012, at 5:44 PM, "Bill Tobin" wrote: > I got stuff in my refrigerator that old! > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: ; > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE > > >> In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, >> trmarty at hotmail.com writes: >> >> >>> The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 >>> next >>> Sunday. >> >> He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. >> >> Bill (Damdinger) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Dec 2 15:58:21 2012 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:58:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] BFE Message-ID: <13a6.41010ccc.3ded370d@aol.com> Regardless, I wish Ken the best wishes and many happy returns. I need to call him, he's a good guy!!! In a message dated 12/2/2012 2:57:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: Careful you guys, I'm only 3 years behind him! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2012, at 5:44 PM, "Bill Tobin" wrote: > I got stuff in my refrigerator that old! > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: ; > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE > > >> In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, >> trmarty at hotmail.com writes: >> >> >>> The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 >>> next >>> Sunday. >> >> He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. >> >> Bill (Damdinger) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Dec 2 16:29:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 18:29:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] BFE In-Reply-To: <13a6.41010ccc.3ded370d@aol.com> References: <13a6.41010ccc.3ded370d@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF9EFC103449AF-2010-445B2@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com> If the FOT had a "HALL OF FAME", Ken Gillanders would be on it. Best Wishes Ken Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Gt6steve To: jhhasty ; william.tobin31 Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:05 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE Regardless, I wish Ken the best wishes and many happy returns. I need to call him, he's a good guy!!! In a message dated 12/2/2012 2:57:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: Careful you guys, I'm only 3 years behind him! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2012, at 5:44 PM, "Bill Tobin" wrote: > I got stuff in my refrigerator that old! > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: ; > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE > > >> In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, >> trmarty at hotmail.com writes: >> >> >>> The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 >>> next >>> Sunday. >> >> He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. >> >> Bill (Damdinger) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun Dec 2 16:37:05 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 16:37:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] BFE In-Reply-To: <22CA7C1C5CA8406DBD09C304342D3AD5@hpd530> References: <2ed8.f5f96d3.3ded1a53@aol.com> <22CA7C1C5CA8406DBD09C304342D3AD5@hpd530> Message-ID: <50BBE621.5000203@gmail.com> On 12/2/12 3:44 PM, Bill Tobin wrote: > I got stuff in my refrigerator that old! EEEEEWWWW!!!!!! I could have done without that image. Maybe it is about time to replace that Frigidaire are with the round radiator on top. Get get something newer to start a new culture in. TeriAnn From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Sun Dec 2 17:03:18 2012 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:03:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FOT for Bruce Lapierre Message-ID: <1354492998.37450.YahooMailNeo@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I would like to nominate Bruce Lapierre to FOT. Bruce is my father in law and the guy who got me racing Triumphs. The TR4 I have been racing the last 3 years was his car that was run in Solo. Bruce found the car in Chicago and had the car restored doing a great job researching the cars History learing it was raced from 1962 shortly after coming out of the dealership. Bruce is a British car guy with a TR2, Austin Healy and a MGTD. I know he would really enjoy being part of this group. Thanks - Mike Mehl #46 TR4 Vancouver Washington Bruce's email is fasttr4 at aol.com From jibjib at att.net Sun Dec 2 17:17:43 2012 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:17:43 -0800 Subject: [Fot] BFE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5C2A6561839A43089E0F5E01A8EB97AE@EntCentPC> It's Gillanders. Thanks for providing the date! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 10:59 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] BFE The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 next Sunday. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net From clw2000 at msn.com Sun Dec 2 17:18:02 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 19:18:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BFE In-Reply-To: <8CF9EFC103449AF-2010-445B2@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com> References: <13a6.41010ccc.3ded370d@aol.com> <8CF9EFC103449AF-2010-445B2@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: That's a pretty cool idea. Should there be one (hall of fame)? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2012, at 6:39 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > If the FOT had a "HALL OF FAME", Ken Gillanders would be on it. > > Best Wishes Ken > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gt6steve > To: jhhasty ; william.tobin31 > Cc: fot > Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:05 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE > > > Regardless, I wish Ken the best wishes and many happy returns. I need to > call him, he's a good guy!!! > > > In a message dated 12/2/2012 2:57:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: > > Careful you guys, I'm only 3 years behind him! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 2, 2012, at 5:44 PM, "Bill Tobin" > wrote: > >> I got stuff in my refrigerator that old! >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >> To: ; >> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 3:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE >> >> >>> In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, >>> trmarty at hotmail.com writes: >>> >>> >>>> The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 >>>> next >>>> Sunday. >>> >>> He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. >>> >>> Bill (Damdinger) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Dec 2 17:25:06 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 19:25:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FOT for Bruce Lapierre In-Reply-To: <1354492998.37450.YahooMailNeo@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1354492998.37450.YahooMailNeo@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Second for sure. If this is the Bruce and car I am thinking of, I have a video of it somewhere of it impressively blowing an engine at a track day at Nelsons Ledges back in the mid 1990's. Of coarse he might have to lose the MG. Marty ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:03:18 -0800 > From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FOT for Bruce Lapierre > > I would like to nominate Bruce Lapierre to FOT. Bruce is my father in law and > the guy who got me racing Triumphs. The TR4 I have been racing the last 3 > years was his car that was run in Solo. Bruce found the car in Chicago and > had the car restored doing a great job researching the cars History learing it > was raced from 1962 shortly after coming out of the dealership. Bruce is a > British car guy with a TR2, Austin Healy and a MGTD. I know he would really > enjoy being part of this group. > > Thanks - Mike Mehl #46 TR4 Vancouver > Washington > > Bruce's email is fasttr4 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Dec 2 17:36:58 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 19:36:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] BFE In-Reply-To: References: <13a6.41010ccc.3ded370d@aol.com> <8CF9EFC103449AF-2010-445B2@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF9F056FD69805-2010-448E3@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Charles, If we had a HALL OF FAME we would have to have associated rules and a committee to administer. FOT = no rules, no dues, no meetings, no BOD, no backbiting, NO NEED. we know who we are....we are all IMPORTANT -----Original Message----- From: Charles WATSON To: Joe Alexander Cc: Gt6steve ; jhhasty ; william.tobin31 ; fot Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 6:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE That's a pretty cool idea. Should there be one (hall of fame)? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2012, at 6:39 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > If the FOT had a "HALL OF FAME", Ken Gillanders would be on it. > > Best Wishes Ken > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gt6steve > To: jhhasty ; william.tobin31 > Cc: fot > Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:05 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE > > > Regardless, I wish Ken the best wishes and many happy returns. I need to > call him, he's a good guy!!! > > > In a message dated 12/2/2012 2:57:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: > > Careful you guys, I'm only 3 years behind him! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 2, 2012, at 5:44 PM, "Bill Tobin" > wrote: > >> I got stuff in my refrigerator that old! >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >> To: ; >> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 3:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE >> >> >>> In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, >>> trmarty at hotmail.com writes: >>> >>> >>>> The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 >>>> next >>>> Sunday. >>> >>> He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. >>> >>> Bill (Damdinger) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Dec 2 19:38:05 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 20:38:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FOT for Bruce Lapierre Message-ID: <16247.1354502285@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Second! On Sun 02/12/12 4:03 PM , Mike Mehl mike.mehl at yahoo.com sent: I would like to nominate Bruce Lapierre to FOT. Bruce is my father in law and the guy who got me racing Triumphs. The TR4 I have been racing the last 3 years was his car that was run in Solo. Bruce found the car in Chicago and had the car restored doing a great job researching the cars History learing it was raced from 1962 shortly after coming out of the dealership. Bruce is a British car guy with a TR2, Austin Healy and a MGTD. I know he would really enjoy being part of this group. Thanks - Mike Mehl #46 TR4 Vancouver Washington Bruce's email is _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [3] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [4] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [5] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [6] Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ [7] Links: ------ [3] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [7] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Dec 2 22:50:25 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 22:50:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 port sections and castings Message-ID: I've posted some new photo's of tr4 port sections and silicone castings of the ports and intake manifold. Tha castings really give a different perpective of the ports. http://s698.beta.photobucket.com/user/TR4jim/library/#/user/TR4jim/library/C ylinder%20head? &_suid=135451343610906970282830168559 jim g From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 2 23:03:57 2012 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 06:03:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] BFE In-Reply-To: <2ed8.f5f96d3.3ded1a53@aol.com> References: <2ed8.f5f96d3.3ded1a53@aol.com> Message-ID: > He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. > Whoooooofffff! that explains it! ;O) Anyhoo happy B-day Ken, you helped make Greenman one hell of a hot street TR! Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: BillDentin at aol.com > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:55:47 -0500 > To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE > > In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, > trmarty at hotmail.com writes: > > > > The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 > > next > > Sunday. > > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/greenman62 at hotmail.com From haretoday at comcast.net Mon Dec 3 01:55:46 2012 From: haretoday at comcast.net (haretoday at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 08:55:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FOT for Bruce Lapierre In-Reply-To: <1354492998.37450.YahooMailNeo@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1907539892.784788.1354524946786.JavaMail.root@sz0138a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I will second the nomination for Bruce. A great guy, knowledgeable and provided some much needed assistance to me this last summer in Portland. A definite asset to our group. Thanks for your consideration of Bruce... Cheers, Steve Hare No. 85 and 72 Spitfires with SOVREN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Mehl" To: "Triumph Friends of" Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 4:03:18 PM Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FOT for Bruce Lapierre I would like to nominate Bruce Lapierre to FOT. Bruce is my father in law and the guy who got me racing Triumphs. The TR4 I have been racing the last 3 years was his car that was run in Solo. Bruce found the car in Chicago and had the car restored doing a great job researching the cars History learing it was raced from 1962 shortly after coming out of the dealership. Bruce is a British car guy with a TR2, Austin Healy and a MGTD. I know he would really enjoy being part of this group. Thanks - Mike Mehl #46 TR4 Vancouver Washington Bruce's email is fasttr4 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/haretoday at comcast.net From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Dec 3 07:47:31 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 09:47:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FOT for Bruce Lapierre Message-ID: In a message dated 12/03/2012 2:55:54 AM Central Standard Time, haretoday at comcast.net writes: > I will second the nomination for Bruce. A great guy, knowledgeable and > provided some much needed assistance to me this last summer in Portland. > A definite asset to our group. > Absolutely. A good idea. And like the nominator said, "He's the Father-in-law". The TRIUMPH connection notwithstanding...Bruce can probably get him 'cut off' with the snap of his fingers. You've got to protect your interests. I second the nomination too. Bill (Damdinger) From mmoore at wave1.net Mon Dec 3 12:40:45 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 14:40:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer Message-ID: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> My car came with stock tachometer in the dash and an auxiliary one mounted to steering column. I would like to remove auxiliary mounted on column, and replace the stock one in the dash with a good one that will be accurate. Any recommendations on brand, type, etc? Thanks Mike 62 TR4 Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Dec 3 12:42:33 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 12:42:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer In-Reply-To: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> Message-ID: Auto meter has served me well. Jim g Sent from my iPhone On Dec 3, 2012, at 12:40 PM, "Mike Moore" wrote: > My car came with stock tachometer in the dash and an auxiliary one mounted > to steering column. I would like to remove auxiliary mounted on column, and > replace the stock one in the dash with a good one that will be accurate. > > > > Any recommendations on brand, type, etc? > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > 62 TR4 > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 13:51:27 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 15:51:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer In-Reply-To: References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> Message-ID: Auto meter...can't go wrong 0-8000 with shift light that can be mounted to a place of your choice. Has adjustable needle for max rpm or shifting, easy to install. less than 200.00 as I recall (139.00) On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:42 PM, James Gray wrote: > Auto meter has served me well. > Jim g > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 3, 2012, at 12:40 PM, "Mike Moore" wrote: > > > My car came with stock tachometer in the dash and an auxiliary one > mounted > > to steering column. I would like to remove auxiliary mounted on column, > and > > replace the stock one in the dash with a good one that will be accurate. > > > > > > > > Any recommendations on brand, type, etc? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike > > > > 62 TR4 > > > > > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Mon Dec 3 14:19:36 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 16:19:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer In-Reply-To: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> Message-ID: <006201cdd19b$e6494530$b2dbcf90$@rr.com> I have used an Autometer which has been trouble free for the past 24 years. Anything that lasts that long anymore gets my vote. I have used them in 2 other race cars I have worked on and also used their gauges in a modified vintage Mustang project of my own, adapting them into the original dash panel. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Moore Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 2:41 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer My car came with stock tachometer in the dash and an auxiliary one mounted to steering column. I would like to remove auxiliary mounted on column, and replace the stock one in the dash with a good one that will be accurate. Any recommendations on brand, type, etc? Thanks Mike 62 TR4 Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_6015.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_6012.JPG] From rfdeanes at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 15:11:41 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 17:11:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer In-Reply-To: <006201cdd19b$e6494530$b2dbcf90$@rr.com> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <006201cdd19b$e6494530$b2dbcf90$@rr.com> Message-ID: Ebay has the model 3980 for 139.96 without the light which can be added (20.00) but look at the big three distributors, Summitt, Jegs and Speedway and with a little searching you should be able to find it with the remote light.....might try Discovery Parts or Racers Wholesale. If I can find my reciept I will email it to you. On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Spitfire Racing < Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com> wrote: > I have used an Autometer which has been trouble free for the past 24 years. > Anything that lasts that long anymore gets my vote. I have used them in 2 > other race cars I have worked on and also used their gauges in a modified > vintage Mustang project of my own, adapting them into the original dash > panel. > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Mike Moore > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 2:41 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer > > My car came with stock tachometer in the dash and an auxiliary one mounted > to steering column. I would like to remove auxiliary mounted on column, and > replace the stock one in the dash with a good one that will be accurate. > > > > Any recommendations on brand, type, etc? > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > 62 TR4 > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > IMG_6015.JPG] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > IMG_6012.JPG] > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Mon Dec 3 16:27:23 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 16:27:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! Message-ID: I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Dec 3 16:31:30 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 18:31:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> 2ND......we have high potential for a gaggle of GT6s at KCUP if we can get them to Road America in September. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tylerpthompson To: fot Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 5:28 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 3 16:36:18 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 16:36:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50BD3772.4010704@bradakis.com> Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote: > Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his > wife once owned a TR7. > > We won't hold that against him. He's in. mjb. From triosan at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 16:46:06 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 15:46:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer In-Reply-To: References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <006201cdd19b$e6494530$b2dbcf90$@rr.com> Message-ID: Guys - For us FOTers you cannot beat the deal you will get from fellow memeber Craig at Diesel Performance Parts. Below is part of an email he sent out last year. "Just depends on the "style" of gauge you select. Go to Autometer.com and see which "look" you want. Let me know and I'll get you a price. Send it to info at dieselperformanceparts.com Triumph racers discount always applies. Ask Brad or Susan they'll tell you. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Robert Deanes wrote: > Ebay has the model 3980 for 139.96 without the light which can be added > (20.00) but look at the big three distributors, Summitt, Jegs and Speedway > and with a little searching you should be able to find it with the remote > light.....might try Discovery Parts or Racers Wholesale. If I can find my > reciept I will email it to you. > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Spitfire Racing < > Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com> wrote: > > > I have used an Autometer which has been trouble free for the past 24 > years. > > Anything that lasts that long anymore gets my vote. I have used them in 2 > > other race cars I have worked on and also used their gauges in a modified > > vintage Mustang project of my own, adapting them into the original dash > > panel. > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of Mike Moore > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 2:41 PM > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer > > > > My car came with stock tachometer in the dash and an auxiliary one > mounted > > to steering column. I would like to remove auxiliary mounted on column, > and > > replace the stock one in the dash with a good one that will be accurate. > > > > > > > > Any recommendations on brand, type, etc? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike > > > > 62 TR4 > > > > > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name > of > > IMG_6015.JPG] > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name > of > > IMG_6012.JPG] > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From vangoughv at hotmail.com Mon Dec 3 17:05:20 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 19:05:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes another GT6! Awesome Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-03, at 6:27 PM, "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" wrote: > I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this > nomination for a new GT6 racer. > > Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his > wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of > this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's > RMVR events. > > I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what > is detailed in Kas' last book. > > Ty > > '63 Triumph TR4 #413 > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Dec 3 17:20:05 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 19:20:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer In-Reply-To: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> Message-ID: <50BD41B5.1090603@blacksburg.net> On 12/3/2012 2:40 PM, Mike Moore wrote: > My car came with stock tachometer in the dash and an auxiliary one mounted > to steering column. I would like to remove auxiliary mounted on column, and > replace the stock one in the dash with a good one that will be accurate. > > > > Any recommendations on brand, type, etc? > Mike, I sent my stock TR4 tach to MoMa for her to convert to electronic. I specified that I wanted accuracy of +/-2% from 4 - 6K, which she pretty much achieved. I also mounted the tach on the right side of the steering column, so a quick scan of the panel also includes the tach. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Dec 3 17:29:38 2012 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 19:29:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: A Gaggle, that must be an Iowa term! JVV -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:31 PM To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: jeffwhall at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! 2ND......we have high potential for a gaggle of GT6s at KCUP if we can get them to Road America in September. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tylerpthompson To: fot Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 5:28 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Dec 3 17:40:18 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 19:40:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF9FCF117355AE-CB8-493C2@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> The image is a 'flock of geese not in flight'. In this case, several GT6s, gathered in the Road America paddock. Perhaps we will have a gaggle of Spitfires, too.......btw, there is a Spitfire available for sale, if anyone is interested. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Van Vlack To: Tylerpthompson ; fot ; Joe Alexander Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 6:29 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! A Gaggle, that must be an Iowa term! JVV -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:31 PM To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: jeffwhall at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! 2ND......we have high potential for a gaggle of GT6s at KCUP if we can get them to Road America in September. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tylerpthompson To: fot Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 5:28 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Dec 3 17:49:57 2012 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 19:49:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <8CF9FCF117355AE-CB8-493C2@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <8CF9FCF117355AE-CB8-493C2@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <41B8AEC756474F2F9904A53AC4C91C78@UserTHINK> I can remember the Group 44 GT6 at Mid-Ohio in the late 60bs and there is not a sweeter sound than one of those at full song. Bring lots of them to RA next year, we need that Gaggle. JVV From: Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 7:40 PM To: jerryvv at roadrunner.com ; Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: jeffwhall at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! The image is a 'flock of geese not in flight'. In this case, several GT6s, gathered in the Road America paddock. Perhaps we will have a gaggle of Spitfires, too.......btw, there is a Spitfire available for sale, if anyone is interested. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Van Vlack To: Tylerpthompson ; fot ; Joe Alexander Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 6:29 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! A Gaggle, that must be an Iowa term! JVV -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:31 PM To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: jeffwhall at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! 2ND......we have high potential for a gaggle of GT6s at KCUP if we can get them to Road America in September. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tylerpthompson To: fot Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 5:28 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Tue Dec 4 06:19:06 2012 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 07:19:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Auto Meter Gauges Message-ID: Membership, As a way to repay the FOT site for all the good stuff it has done for me over the years I can thru my company provide excellent membership discounts on the following brands: Auto Meter Carrillo Mahle Clevite Engine parts ARP fasteners Hawk Brake Pads Total Seal Piston Rings The above brands apply to our Triumphs, but check our web site at www.dieselperformanceparts.com too as we have literally tons of other brands that might apply to your Triumph and or diesel or gas powered tow vehicles too. 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JVV -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:31 PM To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: jeffwhall at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! 2ND......we have high potential for a gaggle of GT6s at KCUP if we can get them to Road America in September. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tylerpthompson To: fot Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 5:28 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Dec 4 08:07:17 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 10:07:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! Message-ID: <1e5c6.18f3f84c.3def6ba4@aol.com> In a message dated 12/04/2012 8:55:34 AM Central Standard Time, jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: > A Gaggle, that must be an Iowa term! > That won't work for GT6s. My dictionary says that a gaggle is, "a flock of geese, when not flying." TRIUMPH GT6s are always flying. Bill (Damdinger) From igofaster at att.net Tue Dec 4 22:09:32 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 21:09:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1354684172.17827.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'm still here! 2nd or 3rd to the Jeff and his desire to race a GT6...... sidebar, I believe my new engine is in the launch mode this month.... Bobby ________________________________ From: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" To: "fot at autox.team.net" Cc: jeffwhall at aol.com Sent: Mon, December 3, 2012 5:27:52 PM Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From igofaster at att.net Tue Dec 4 22:11:07 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 21:11:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> before there was google there was gaggle.... 'old skool rules..... BGW ________________________________ From: Jerry Van Vlack To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net; Joe Alexander Sent: Mon, December 3, 2012 6:29:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! A Gaggle, that must be an Iowa term! JVV -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:31 PM To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: jeffwhall at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! 2ND......we have high potential for a gaggle of GT6s at KCUP if we can get them to Road America in September. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tylerpthompson To: fot Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 5:28 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From mark at bradakis.com Tue Dec 4 22:20:14 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 22:20:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50BED98E.60503@bradakis.com> Bobby Whitehead wrote: > before there was google there was gaggle.... 'old skool rules..... > Zero Mostel - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum How many geese in a gaggle? mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 5 05:41:37 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 07:41:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <50BED98E.60503@bradakis.com> References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50BED98E.60503@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CFA0FCFFEBC7A3-978-A734@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> Federal guidelines in Civil Rights legislation for a "Riot" was "three or more"....... I suppose that the same would be for geese.... or GT6s therefore, we expect a riot at Road America Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: FoT Triumph Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:19 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! Bobby Whitehead wrote: > before there was google there was gaggle.... 'old skool rules..... > Zero Mostel - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum How many geese in a gaggle? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Dec 5 06:56:52 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 07:56:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <1354684172.17827.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1354684172.17827.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: For some reason, the picture that comes to mind is Bobby's engine sitting in the sling of a giant trebuchet, waiting to be launched over the horizon into the deep sea. Duncan On Dec 4, 2012, at 11:09 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > sidebar, I believe my new engine is in the launch mode this month.... > > > Bobby From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Dec 5 07:02:36 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 06:02:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Band of Brothers Day Message-ID: <1354716156.77565.YahooMailClassic@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I am proud to call you Brother. You may have served in Combat or in non-combat. You may have retired out or you may have served for a short time, You may have been a draftee or a volunteer. You may have served in the Corps, Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard or the Merchant Marines, BUT YOU SERVED. YOU DID YOUR JOB HONORABLY and for that I am PROUD to call you Brother. You may have served during Korea, WWII, Vietnam, Persian Gulf, Iraq or Afghanistan, But you served, you did not run. You have a DD 214 with those words "HONORABLY DISCHARGED" two of the most noble words in the world. Again I am proud to know each and every one of you. *Today is Band of Brothers' Day; Send this to all your brothers, fathers, sons and fellow veterans you know. Happy Brothers' Day! To the cool men that have touched my life: Here's to you!! I was never a hero, but I am thankful and proud to have served among them. A real Brother walks with you when the rest of the world walks on you. Send to all your Band of Brothers, because the fake ones won't. __._,_.___ Bill (Chief) Deal "Post 655, where heroes gather". From igofaster at att.net Wed Dec 5 10:29:17 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 09:29:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <8CFA0FCFFEBC7A3-978-A734@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50BED98E.60503@bradakis.com> <8CFA0FCFFEBC7A3-978-A734@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1354728557.30604.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> i dunno......unless there is a free beer line.... Bobby ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: mark at bradakis.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 6:42:00 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! Federal guidelines in Civil Rights legislation for a "Riot" was "three or more"....... I suppose that the same would be for geese.... or GT6s therefore, we expect a riot at Road America Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: FoT Triumph Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:19 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! Bobby Whitehead wrote: > before there was google there was gaggle.... 'old skool rules..... > Zero Mostel - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum How many geese in a gaggle? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Dec 5 10:34:48 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 12:34:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <1354728557.30604.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50BED98E.60503@bradakis.com> <8CFA0FCFFEBC7A3-978-A734@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> <1354728557.30604.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I wish I could participate in the GT6 "riot" perhaps in a year or two. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-05, at 12:29 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > i dunno......unless there is a free beer line.... Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Joe Alexander > To: mark at bradakis.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 6:42:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! > > Federal guidelines in Civil Rights legislation for a "Riot" was "three or > more"....... > > I suppose that the same would be for geese.... > > or GT6s > > therefore, we expect a riot at Road America > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark J Bradakis > To: FoT Triumph > Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:19 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! > > > Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> before there was google there was gaggle.... 'old skool rules..... > Zero Mostel - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum > > How many geese in a gaggle? > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From igofaster at att.net Wed Dec 5 10:37:12 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 09:37:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: <1354684172.17827.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1354729032.54597.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> the one I blew up in Atlanta would make a nice kerplush.... that's the sound it would make as it lands in the deep sea.... I guess I'll keep it for memories.... I've shed all the tears I can over that , and at this time, I must with all sincerity thank the F.o.T. contingent, especially Henry, for keeping me grounded in the 'big picture'....it's amazing.. we run one weekend together (okay that's optimistic) ((I'm a rose colored glasses, the glass is half full guy)) and we are friends for life... isn't THAT the essence of our brother and sisterhood with F.o.T. and vintage racing? God bless all my bro's and lady friends on F.o.T..... it's not about common sense, it's about the emotion... and emotion over-rules common sense in my book.... Peace be with you and yours.... Bobby Whitehead and Family.... ________________________________ From: Duncan Charlton To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 7:57:08 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! For some reason, the picture that comes to mind is Bobby's engine sitting in the sling of a giant trebuchet, waiting to be launched over the horizon into the deep sea. Duncan On Dec 4, 2012, at 11:09 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > sidebar, I believe my new engine is in the launch mode this month.... > > > Bobby From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 5 10:58:59 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 12:58:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50BED98E.60503@bradakis.com> <8CFA0FCFFEBC7A3-978-A734@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> <1354728557.30604.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFA12955FC7F25-978-D8F1@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> Can you attend? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Vince G To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: Joe Alexander ; FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:55 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I wish I could participate in the GT6 "riot" perhaps in a year or two. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-05, at 12:29 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > i dunno......unless there is a free beer line.... Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Joe Alexander > To: mark at bradakis.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 6:42:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! > > Federal guidelines in Civil Rights legislation for a "Riot" was "three or > more"....... > > I suppose that the same would be for geese.... > > or GT6s > > therefore, we expect a riot at Road America > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark J Bradakis > To: FoT Triumph > Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:19 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! > > > Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> before there was google there was gaggle.... 'old skool rules..... > Zero Mostel - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum > > How many geese in a gaggle? > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Dec 5 11:18:01 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 13:18:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <8CFA12955FC7F25-978-D8F1@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com><1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><50BED98E.60503@bradakis.com><8CFA0FCFFEBC7A3-978-A734@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com><1354728557.30604.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8CFA12955FC7F25-978-D8F1@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Good Grief you guys. A gaggle is at least 5 geese unless, of course, they are flying then they are a Skein and can include any number of 5 or more. PS: Bobby, there's a free beer line at the VDCA event in Savannah this weekend.... John H. 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E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Vince G To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: Joe Alexander ; FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:55 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I wish I could participate in the GT6 "riot" perhaps in a year or two. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-05, at 12:29 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > i dunno......unless there is a free beer line.... Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Joe Alexander > To: mark at bradakis.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 6:42:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! > > Federal guidelines in Civil Rights legislation for a "Riot" was "three > or more"....... > > I suppose that the same would be for geese.... > > or GT6s > > therefore, we expect a riot at Road America > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark J Bradakis > To: FoT Triumph > Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:19 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! > > > Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> before there was google there was gaggle.... 'old skool rules..... > Zero Mostel - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum > > How many geese in a gaggle? > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jeffwhall at aol.com Wed Dec 5 13:54:27 2012 From: jeffwhall at aol.com (jeffwhall at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 15:54:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Thank you Message-ID: <8CFA141D94D82A8-1B88-CA55@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Hello everyone, Thank you for welcoming me into your fold of GT6 racers. Officially, I am not a licensed racer yet as the car is still in the troughs of being built and assembled. My goal is to have it completed by April so I can drive it at the competiotion driving school sponsored by RMVR at Pikes Peak International Raceway. I am intreguied by the gathering of GT6 racers for a race weekend. Can someone provide me more info on that event? I am looking forward to corresponding with each of you and to learn about these great cars. Jeff Hall From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 5 14:21:38 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 16:21:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Thank you .....Now ROAD AMERICA'S KASTNER CUP. In-Reply-To: <8CFA141D94D82A8-1B88-CA55@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFA141D94D82A8-1B88-CA55@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFA145A528000E-978-EEAF@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> Jeff, The 'gathering' we are talking about is THE KASTNER CUP-THE 11TH RUNNING of this event. We are hoping that you RMVR guys will attend, regardless of their ability to bring cars. This will be VSCDA's ELKHART LAKE VINTAGE FESTIVAL 5-8 September, 2013. It will have entries from all over North America. It appears we will have 6-8 guests from Europe at this point. We will have SCCA champions and ex-factory drivers, etc as special guests. TRIUMPH is the featured MARQUE and KAS KASTNER is the GRAND MARSHAL. The Osthoff is our HOST HOTEL with generous discounting. 1-2-3 Bedroom Suites are available and are very cost effective when shared by friends and couples. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: jeffwhall To: fot Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 2:56 pm Subject: [Fot] Thank you Hello everyone, Thank you for welcoming me into your fold of GT6 racers. Officially, I am not a licensed racer yet as the car is still in the troughs of being built and assembled. My goal is to have it completed by April so I can drive it at the competiotion driving school sponsored by RMVR at Pikes Peak International Raceway. I am intreguied by the gathering of GT6 racers for a race weekend. Can someone provide me more info on that event? I am looking forward to corresponding with each of you and to learn about these great cars. Jeff Hall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed Dec 5 18:13:38 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:13:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer In-Reply-To: <8CFA0A5C79D9874-1FD0-7926@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <50BD41B5.1090603@blacksburg.net> <8CFA0A5C79D9874-1FD0-7926@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50BFF142.5030400@blacksburg.net> On 12/4/2012 9:17 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > Jim, > I'm curious ... did she reuse the factory dial face and pointer ? I > was told by Nissonger that they would not be able to reuse my tachs > needle during the conversion process. > Cheers, > Bob T Hey Bob, Yes, she did use the same face, needle and case. You can't tell that it's been converted (until you look in the engine bay and see no tach cable :-) ) Another feature I really like is that it seems (seat of pants observation, not empirical) to track RPMs more closely. She said that her tech guy removed some of the material off the back of the needle for improved response. I've seen some tachs seem to be still spinning up as the engine spins down. Hmmm. NFI, etc. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From igofaster at att.net Wed Dec 5 18:45:52 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 17:45:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Thank you In-Reply-To: <8CFA141D94D82A8-1B88-CA55@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFA141D94D82A8-1B88-CA55@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1354758352.10804.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> if two GT6's show up in a Walmart parking lot, that is an event... if two or three show up to a race weekend, that is stellar .... either way, long over looked beauty of the Triumph Marque . Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: "jeffwhall at aol.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 2:56:42 PM Subject: [Fot] Thank you Hello everyone, Thank you for welcoming me into your fold of GT6 racers. Officially, I am not a licensed racer yet as the car is still in the troughs of being built and assembled. My goal is to have it completed by April so I can drive it at the competiotion driving school sponsored by RMVR at Pikes Peak International Raceway. I am intreguied by the gathering of GT6 racers for a race weekend. Can someone provide me more info on that event? I am looking forward to corresponding with each of you and to learn about these great cars. Jeff Hall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 5 19:03:56 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 21:03:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Thank you KCUP 2013 In-Reply-To: <1354758352.10804.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <8CFA141D94D82A8-1B88-CA55@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1354758352.10804.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFA16D15521B2F-2600-10D1D@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> It would be good to promote GT6s and Spitfires to be at this event. I have invited the publisher and editor of SPITFIRE & GT6 magazine to join us. I fully expect one or both of them to join us. It wouldnt hurt to see some street machines there, too. Jason, Andre,....etc? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: jeffwhall Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:46 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Thank you if two GT6's show up in a Walmart parking lot, that is an event... if two or three show up to a race weekend, that is stellar .... either way, long over looked beauty of the Triumph Marque . Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: "jeffwhall at aol.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 2:56:42 PM Subject: [Fot] Thank you Hello everyone, Thank you for welcoming me into your fold of GT6 racers. Officially, I am not a licensed racer yet as the car is still in the troughs of being built and assembled. My goal is to have it completed by April so I can drive it at the competiotion driving school sponsored by RMVR at Pikes Peak International Raceway. I am intreguied by the gathering of GT6 racers for a race weekend. Can someone provide me more info on that event? I am looking forward to corresponding with each of you and to learn about these great cars. Jeff Hall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jkhagen at charter.net Wed Dec 5 20:05:51 2012 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 22:05:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Thank you KCUP 2013 Message-ID: <7fa93096.21624b.13b6e2d26e2.Webtop.46@charter.net> Joe and "Friends"--Check out great article in DaecClassic Mororsports about VSCR's guru Pat Starr- 50 years with the same Morgan! Also some notes on the Mitty. John Hagen On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > It would be good to promote GT6s and Spitfires to be at this event. > > I have invited the publisher and editor of SPITFIRE & GT6 magazine to > join us. > I fully expect one or both of them to join us. It wouldnt hurt to see > some > street machines there, too. Jason, Andre,....etc? > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bobby Whitehead > To: jeffwhall > Cc: FoT Triumph > Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:46 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Thank you > > > if two GT6's show up in a Walmart parking lot, that is an event... if > two or > three show up to a race weekend, that is stellar .... either way, > long over > looked beauty of the Triumph Marque . > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "jeffwhall at aol.com" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 2:56:42 PM > Subject: [Fot] Thank you > > Hello everyone, > > Thank you for welcoming me into your fold of GT6 racers. Officially, I > am not > a licensed racer yet as the car is still in the troughs of being built > and > assembled. My goal is to have it completed by April so I can drive it > at the > competiotion driving school sponsored by RMVR at Pikes Peak > International > Raceway. > > I am intreguied by the gathering of GT6 racers for a race weekend. Can > someone > provide me more info on that event? > > I am looking forward to corresponding with each of you and to learn > about > these great cars. > > Jeff Hall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 5 20:12:57 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 22:12:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Thank you KCUP 2013 In-Reply-To: <7fa93096.21624b.13b6e2d26e2.Webtop.46@charter.net> References: <7fa93096.21624b.13b6e2d26e2.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: <8CFA176B9A1F21F-2600-112C7@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> Yes! And there is a side bar on John Hagen and a TR4. Good for CMS.....Giving our 'Friends' some positive credit. Thanks John....... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: jkhagen To: Joe Alexander Cc: igofaster ; jeffwhall ; fot Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:05 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Thank you KCUP 2013 Joe and "Friends"--Check out great article in DaecClassic Mororsports about VSCR's guru Pat Starr- 50 years with the same Morgan! Also some notes on the Mitty. John Hagen On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > It would be good to promote GT6s and Spitfires to be at this event. > > I have invited the publisher and editor of SPITFIRE & GT6 magazine to > join us. > I fully expect one or both of them to join us. It wouldnt hurt to see > some > street machines there, too. Jason, Andre,....etc? > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bobby Whitehead > To: jeffwhall > Cc: FoT Triumph > Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:46 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Thank you > > > if two GT6's show up in a Walmart parking lot, that is an event... if > two or > three show up to a race weekend, that is stellar .... either way, > long over > looked beauty of the Triumph Marque . > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "jeffwhall at aol.com" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 2:56:42 PM > Subject: [Fot] Thank you > > Hello everyone, > > Thank you for welcoming me into your fold of GT6 racers. Officially, I > am not > a licensed racer yet as the car is still in the troughs of being built > and > assembled. My goal is to have it completed by April so I can drive it > at the > competiotion driving school sponsored by RMVR at Pikes Peak > International > Raceway. > > I am intreguied by the gathering of GT6 racers for a race weekend. Can > someone > provide me more info on that event? > > I am looking forward to corresponding with each of you and to learn > about > these great cars. > > Jeff Hall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Wed Dec 5 23:33:13 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 22:33:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts In-Reply-To: References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> Message-ID: <1354775593.46945.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Any thoughts on whether or not those aluminum cups on the rear diff mounts improve a car's performance? Any thoughts on how these cups compare to using urethane and is it feasible to run urethane for rear diff mounts and rubber for front diff mounts? Thanks, Jim From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Dec 6 04:24:49 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 06:24:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts In-Reply-To: <1354775593.46945.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <1354775593.46945.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFA1BB701DCCDA-D48-17B7@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> The Brits run rubber in combination with these 'Differential Stabilizers'. It supports the rubber further and ostensibly keeps the dif from moving around. I checked and verified with Jon Wood when Keith Files and he were my guests here in Jesup. He indicated that this was pretty much SOP in the UK for racing TR6s I have them on the shelf. TRF has them. They are getting popular with the street TR6s instead of the harsher urethane, which provides less noise and vibration isolation. And they should take some of the stress off of the mounts. I have no direct experience with them, myself, but ship them on a regular basis. BTW, Jon Wood, Simon Watson, and Keith Files will be our guests at KCUP 2013. They are great sources of information on what the Brits are doing in the UK. Jon is an ace wrench, Simon is parts manager for TR Enterprises, and Keith drives a very fast TR6 in the U.K. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: sherry robyn To: Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 12:34 am Subject: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts Any thoughts on whether or not those aluminum cups on the rear diff mounts improve a car's performance? Any thoughts on how these cups compare to using urethane and is it feasible to run urethane for rear diff mounts and rubber for front diff mounts? Thanks, Jim _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Dec 6 07:40:34 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 09:40:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts Message-ID: <55c1.7400f7f6.3df20862@aol.com> In a message dated 12/06/2012 5:29:26 AM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > BTW, Jon Wood, Simon Watson, and Keith Files will be our guests at KCUP > 2013. > They are great sources of information on what the Brits are doing in the > UK. > Jon is an ace wrench, Simon is parts manager for TR Enterprises, and Keith > drives a very fast TR6 in the U.K. > Not to mention, JON WOOD is one of the world's premier Party Blokes. Smiles abound, wherever he goes. Bill Dentinger From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Dec 6 09:08:24 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 11:08:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts In-Reply-To: <55c1.7400f7f6.3df20862@aol.com> References: <55c1.7400f7f6.3df20862@aol.com> Message-ID: Hmmm, reminds me of the 2002 FOT gathering. The Brits came by a certain camper and when it was offered that beer was available, but not refrigerated... it was determined that lack of refrigeration was no problem and all the beer was quickly consumed. Like two cases worth. Yee ha! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/06/2012 5:29:26 AM Central Standard Time, > n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > > >> BTW, Jon Wood, Simon Watson, and Keith Files will be our guests at KCUP >> 2013. >> They are great sources of information on what the Brits are doing in the >> UK. >> Jon is an ace wrench, Simon is parts manager for TR Enterprises, and Keith >> drives a very fast TR6 in the U.K. >> > > Not to mention, JON WOOD is one of the world's premier Party Blokes. > Smiles abound, wherever he goes. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang at isis.mit.edu From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Dec 6 09:26:02 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 16:26:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts In-Reply-To: <8CFA1BB701DCCDA-D48-17B7@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <1354775593.46945.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA1BB701DCCDA-D48-17B7@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7F7CFD@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> << BTW, Jon Wood, Simon Watson, and Keith Files will be our guests at KCUP 2013. >> And the lovely Denise? She's a lot of fun and would be missed. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 5:25 AM To: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts The Brits run rubber in combination with these 'Differential Stabilizers'. It supports the rubber further and ostensibly keeps the dif from moving around. I checked and verified with Jon Wood when Keith Files and he were my guests here in Jesup. He indicated that this was pretty much SOP in the UK for racing TR6s I have them on the shelf. TRF has them. They are getting popular with the street TR6s instead of the harsher urethane, which provides less noise and vibration isolation. And they should take some of the stress off of the mounts. I have no direct experience with them, myself, but ship them on a regular basis. BTW, Jon Wood, Simon Watson, and Keith Files will be our guests at KCUP 2013. They are great sources of information on what the Brits are doing in the UK. Jon is an ace wrench, Simon is parts manager for TR Enterprises, and Keith drives a very fast TR6 in the U.K. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: sherry robyn To: Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 12:34 am Subject: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts Any thoughts on whether or not those aluminum cups on the rear diff mounts improve a car's performance? Any thoughts on how these cups compare to using urethane and is it feasible to run urethane for rear diff mounts and rubber for front diff mounts? Thanks, Jim _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Dec 6 09:47:20 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 11:47:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] aluminum cups now KASTNER CUP 2013 Attendees In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7F7CFD@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <1354775593.46945.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA1BB701DCCDA-D48-17B7@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7F7CFD@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CFA1E87DF1449C-D48-451A@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> Denise Files is also coming. There are other guests from the UK coming....and perhaps more from Europe. This will truly be an international event. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- And the lovely Denise? She's a lot of fun and would be missed.Scott B. From rjohns at woh.rr.com Thu Dec 6 12:39:45 2012 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 14:39:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup English attendees Message-ID: It is good news that not only Keith Files is coming , but Denise is also. She is a lovely girl and we had a hoot at Topeka with her and Keith's brother. Bob Johns From triosan at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 13:15:16 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 12:15:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] aluminum cups now KASTNER CUP 2013 Attendees In-Reply-To: <8CFA1E87DF1449C-D48-451A@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <1354775593.46945.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA1BB701DCCDA-D48-17B7@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7F7CFD@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> <8CFA1E87DF1449C-D48-451A@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: How about Kieth's son -- the REAL racer in today's world! On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Denise Files is also coming. There are other guests from the UK > coming....and > perhaps more from Europe. > > This will truly be an international event. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > And the lovely Denise? She's a lot of fun and would be missed.Scott B. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Dec 6 13:34:26 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 15:34:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] aluminum cups now KASTNER CUP 2013 Attendees In-Reply-To: References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <1354775593.46945.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA1BB701DCCDA-D48-17B7@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7F7CFD@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> <8CFA1E87DF1449C-D48-451A@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFA208378AAF3E-D48-6051@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> I have not heard Josh's name yet....nor Clifford, Keith's bro. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley To: Joe Alexander Cc: sbarr ; fot Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 2:15 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] aluminum cups now KASTNER CUP 2013 Attendees How about Kieth's son -- the REAL racer in today's world! On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: Denise Files is also coming. There are other guests from the UK coming....and perhaps more from Europe. This will truly be an international event. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- And the lovely Denise? She's a lot of fun and would be missed.Scott B. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 7 15:18:44 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 17:18:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] CALIFORNIA AIR CODE NAME: BOMB (Spitfire & GT6) TRADITIONAL TRIUMPH (TR2-TR6) Message-ID: <8CFA2DFF3959A5B-F70-579B@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> I just received inventory of the subject John Clancy titles from John. If you expected to received one or more of these, remind me, and I will get them out as soon as possible. Notes: "Code Name: Bomb" and "Traditional Triumph" are DOUBLE DVDs and are in PAL FORMAT. Brilliant DVDs for your TRIUMPH archives. You may get to see John Clancy in action as FOT''s videographer at KASTNER CUP 2013. More on that later. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Dec 9 13:36:13 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 15:36:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] NOMINATIONS ANDY PACKARD & CREGG COWAN (West Coast) In-Reply-To: References: <8CF9D5DF83D686E-5C8-39505@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> <1FAE768B-D151-46D4-8DC5-7379A2CEDAF5@att.net> <8CFA2B9CC53E963-F70-23C4@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFA463F68A2F84-6B4-317E8@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Please welcome Andy and Cregg to the FOT with "seconds" for both of them. They are preparing a TR4 for endurance racing on the west coast. Of course they will need our support in this effort. Cregg is very familiar to me and you may have met him when we were all together at the Laguna Seca Kastner Cup. Andy Packard is also familiar to me and a fellow VTR member. Andy Packard apackard68 at att.net Cregg Cowan cregg.cowan at sri.com Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Packard To: Joe Alexander Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:52 am Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 It's endurance racing, so there are a minimum of four drivers for weekend driving of about eight hours each Saturday and Sunday. Cregg and I are the most experienced drivers and John is more technical, although all of us are very mechanical and have restored at least one of our own cars. I have a TR250 with Ratco frame and triple webers among other upgrades. It looks stock and drives fast winning FTD at two VTR events and most Triumphest autocrosses. Cregg has two TR6's, a driver and one in restoration. John has restored a Spitfire with a rotary engine and is working on a TR4 resto right now. If you want to just add one person to the FOT group, I would make it Cregg, but I would also like to be in on the group too. Andy On Dec 7, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: Andy, who is going to be the primary driver and is the most technical? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Packard To: Joe Alexander Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:43 am Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 Hi Joe: Cregg Cowan, John Sisler and I are putting a TR4 Lemons race car together here in the Bay Area. We're hoping to tap into some of the race prep knowledge of the FOT, but it looks like we need your permission to access the Facebook group. One primary issue we have is identifying the correct size racing seat options for a TR4. We're trying to schedule the roll cage construction and having the seat in place will help insure we have the correct clearances for our tallest drivers. Any assistance you can provide in helping us connect with your group would be appreciated. Andy Packard On Nov 30, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Just a heads up...... > > I talked to Sean last night > > Sean Alexander has three conversion kits left on the shelf. > > If you are planning on doing this conversion, you may consider reserving one. > > It takes Sean about 8 weeks to manufacture and assemble 25 kits and he has > three kids active in sports. :-) > > You can contact Sean at: alex3rail at gmail.com > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/apackard68 at att.net From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 9 13:41:34 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 15:41:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] NOMINATIONS ANDY PACKARD & CREGG COWAN (West Coast) Message-ID: Seconded. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Joe Alexander wrote: > Please welcome Andy and Cregg to the FOT with "seconds" for both of them. > >They are preparing a TR4 for endurance racing on the west coast. Of course >they will need our support in this effort. > >Cregg is very familiar to me and you may have met him when we were all >together at the Laguna Seca Kastner Cup. Andy Packard is also familiar to me >and a fellow VTR member. > >Andy Packard apackard68 at att.net >Cregg Cowan cregg.cowan at sri.com > >Thanks! > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Andrew Packard >To: Joe Alexander >Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:52 am >Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 > > >It's endurance racing, so there are a minimum of four drivers for weekend >driving of about eight hours each Saturday and Sunday. Cregg and I are the >most experienced drivers and John is more technical, although all of us are >very mechanical and have restored at least one of our own cars. I have a >TR250 with Ratco frame and triple webers among other upgrades. It looks stock >and drives fast winning FTD at two VTR events and most Triumphest autocrosses. >Cregg has two TR6's, a driver and one in restoration. John has restored a >Spitfire with a rotary engine and is working on a TR4 resto right now. >If you want to just add one person to the FOT group, I would make it Cregg, >but I would also like to be in on the group too. >Andy > > > > > >On Dec 7, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > >Andy, who is going to be the primary driver and is the most technical? > > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Andrew Packard >To: Joe Alexander >Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:43 am >Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 > > >Hi Joe: >Cregg Cowan, John Sisler and I are putting a TR4 Lemons race car together here >in the Bay Area. We're hoping to tap into some of the race prep knowledge of >the FOT, but it looks like we need your permission to access the Facebook >group. >One primary issue we have is identifying the correct size racing seat options >for a TR4. We're trying to schedule the roll cage construction and having the >seat in place will help insure we have the correct clearances for our tallest >drivers. > >Any assistance you can provide in helping us connect with your group would be >appreciated. > >Andy Packard > >On Nov 30, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> Just a heads up...... >> >> I talked to Sean last night >> >> Sean Alexander has three conversion kits left on the shelf. >> >> If you are planning on doing this conversion, you may consider reserving >one. >> >> It takes Sean about 8 weeks to manufacture and assemble 25 kits and he has >> three kids active in sports. :-) >> >> You can contact Sean at: alex3rail at gmail.com >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> ________________________________________ >> >> 6pack at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/apackard68 at att.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Dec 9 13:52:02 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 15:52:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination - FOT SHAWN FRANK SPITFIRE AUTOCROSS IOWA In-Reply-To: <1354902809.77576.YahooMailNeo@web112507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <8CF9BB360FB847A-1E00-27692@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> <1354832071.65824.YahooMailNeo@web112513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2A8FD9A4FB0-F70-15DD@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354899232.20721.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2B55F7A4D1A-F70-1FE3@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354902809.77576.YahooMailNeo@web112507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFA4662BFFB164-6B4-31E06@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Please welcome Shawn to the FOT list with a "second" and a greeting. Shawn lowers the average age of the FOT.....this is needed as the rest of get older. Shawn is from IOWA....this is good, as we dont have many members in Iowa. Shawn is already making reservations at the OSTHOF to join us at the KCUP 2013. I think Shawn has about 4.5 Spitfires, which means he is in a lot of trouble already, but we can try to help. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Dec 9 14:00:12 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 15:00:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination - FOT SHAWN FRANK SPITFIRE AUTOCROSS IOWA In-Reply-To: <8CFA4662BFFB164-6B4-31E06@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF9BB360FB847A-1E00-27692@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> <1354832071.65824.YahooMailNeo@web112513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2A8FD9A4FB0-F70-15DD@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354899232.20721.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2B55F7A4D1A-F70-1FE3@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354902809.77576.YahooMailNeo@web112507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA4662BFFB164-6B4-31E06@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Seconded! We need another Young Gun to battle the Racing Retireds! Cheers, Tony Drews At 02:52 PM 12/9/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > >Please welcome Shawn to the FOT list with a "second" and a greeting. > >Shawn lowers the average age of the FOT.....this is needed as the rest of get >older. > >Shawn is from IOWA....this is good, as we dont have many members in Iowa. > >Shawn is already making reservations at the OSTHOF to join us at the KCUP >2013. > >I think Shawn has about 4.5 Spitfires, which means he is in a lot of trouble >already, but we can try to help. > >Thanks! > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From mark at bradakis.com Sun Dec 9 14:19:27 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 14:19:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination - FOT SHAWN FRANK SPITFIRE AUTOCROSS IOWA In-Reply-To: <8CFA4662BFFB164-6B4-31E06@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF9BB360FB847A-1E00-27692@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> <1354832071.65824.YahooMailNeo@web112513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2A8FD9A4FB0-F70-15DD@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354899232.20721.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2B55F7A4D1A-F70-1FE3@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354902809.77576.YahooMailNeo@web112507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA4662BFFB164-6B4-31E06@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50C5005F.9070601@bradakis.com> Gee whiz, Joe - it is Sunday, why are you making me work so hard? Actually I do have some stopwatches laying around my desk, leftovers from IVR, I should have seen just how many seconds it took me to add the three new guys. Oh, I did do some work on Team.Net earlier, the search function in the archives ( link below ) should be working again. mjb. From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Sun Dec 9 14:19:21 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 13:19:21 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination - FOT SHAWN FRANK SPITFIRE AUTOCROSS IOWA In-Reply-To: <20121209210052.2A2C84225B@autox.team.net> References: <8CF9BB360FB847A-1E00-27692@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> <1354832071.65824.YahooMailNeo@web112513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2A8FD9A4FB0-F70-15DD@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354899232.20721.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2B55F7A4D1A-F70-1FE3@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354902809.77576.YahooMailNeo@web112507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA4662BFFB164-6B4-31E06@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> <20121209210052.2A2C84225B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE11334E4@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Second the second! Shawn's primary Spit is a neat car, with a great story. He is worthy. Ed Dunn West Coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd. Suite D-101 Encinitas, CA 92024 760-492-3814 West Coast Vintage Racing -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 1:00 PM To: Joe Alexander; fot at autox.team.net Cc: my71spit13 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination - FOT SHAWN FRANK SPITFIRE AUTOCROSS IOWA Seconded! We need another Young Gun to battle the Racing Retireds! Cheers, Tony Drews At 02:52 PM 12/9/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > >Please welcome Shawn to the FOT list with a "second" and a greeting. > >Shawn lowers the average age of the FOT.....this is needed as the rest >of get older. > >Shawn is from IOWA....this is good, as we dont have many members in Iowa. > >Shawn is already making reservations at the OSTHOF to join us at the >KCUP 2013. > >I think Shawn has about 4.5 Spitfires, which means he is in a lot of >trouble already, but we can try to help. > >Thanks! > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 9 15:34:41 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 14:34:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination - FOT SHAWN FRANK SPITFIRE AUTOCROSS IOWA Message-ID: <1355092481.46855.androidMobile@web112513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thank you very much for the nomination, Joe, and thanks guys for the second and second second! I plan on building my 78 Spitfire into an autocross and rallyX specific. My 71 MKIV will remain my daily driver and also autocrosser until the 78 is done. I am honored to be nominated, and really love these little cars. Obviously, since there is a 64 MK1, a 71 MKIV, a 78 1500, a 79 half 1500, and an 80 1500. I am currently working on an 80 1500, a 71 TR6, and an 80 TR8 for clients. I plan on autocrossing the TR8 when it is done. It is beautiful. I guess what I'm trying to say is: Triumphs have chosen me, and I humbly accept my duties as care taker for a little while at least. Thank you all once again, and hope to see you all at the KCup...Shawn Frank Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From chasgee at aol.com Sun Dec 9 17:55:19 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 16:55:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 Message-ID: <814E3314-8153-4E5A-BC9B-8803830828B1@aol.com> Hello fellow FOTers, I've been looking for a new fiberglass hood for my Spitfire, but all the usual places won't respond to my inquiries. Does anyone have a current active source for these hoods? Thanks, From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Dec 9 18:48:42 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 01:48:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] NOMINATIONS ANDY PACKARD & CREGG COWAN (West Coast) In-Reply-To: <8CFA463F68A2F84-6B4-317E8@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <505303740.1017427.1355104122489.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'll add a second to the nomination of Andy and Cregg. They are very active with our Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club and dedicated to all things Triumph related. They will be an asset to the FoT. Cregg has a really sweet TR6 and Andy has an amazing TR250 which he restored to perfection with many performance mods. They will both love being connected to this group. Thanks for nominating them, Joe. Dave Hogye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: "cregg cowan" , apackard68 at att.net Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2012 12:36:13 PM Subject: [Fot] NOMINATIONS ANDY PACKARD & CREGG COWAN (West Coast) Please welcome Andy and Cregg to the FOT with "seconds" for both of them. They are preparing a TR4 for endurance racing on the west coast. Of course they will need our support in this effort. Cregg is very familiar to me and you may have met him when we were all together at the Laguna Seca Kastner Cup. Andy Packard is also familiar to me and a fellow VTR member. Andy Packard apackard68 at att.net Cregg Cowan cregg.cowan at sri.com Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Packard To: Joe Alexander Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:52 am Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 It's endurance racing, so there are a minimum of four drivers for weekend driving of about eight hours each Saturday and Sunday. Cregg and I are the most experienced drivers and John is more technical, although all of us are very mechanical and have restored at least one of our own cars. I have a TR250 with Ratco frame and triple webers among other upgrades. It looks stock and drives fast winning FTD at two VTR events and most Triumphest autocrosses. Cregg has two TR6's, a driver and one in restoration. John has restored a Spitfire with a rotary engine and is working on a TR4 resto right now. If you want to just add one person to the FOT group, I would make it Cregg, but I would also like to be in on the group too. Andy On Dec 7, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: Andy, who is going to be the primary driver and is the most technical? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Packard To: Joe Alexander Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:43 am Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 Hi Joe: Cregg Cowan, John Sisler and I are putting a TR4 Lemons race car together here in the Bay Area. We're hoping to tap into some of the race prep knowledge of the FOT, but it looks like we need your permission to access the Facebook group. One primary issue we have is identifying the correct size racing seat options for a TR4. We're trying to schedule the roll cage construction and having the seat in place will help insure we have the correct clearances for our tallest drivers. Any assistance you can provide in helping us connect with your group would be appreciated. Andy Packard On Nov 30, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Just a heads up...... > > I talked to Sean last night > > Sean Alexander has three conversion kits left on the shelf. > > If you are planning on doing this conversion, you may consider reserving one. > > It takes Sean about 8 weeks to manufacture and assemble 25 kits and he has > three kids active in sports. :-) > > You can contact Sean at: alex3rail at gmail.com > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/apackard68 at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From levilevi at comcast.net Sun Dec 9 20:24:48 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 20:24:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] NOMINATIONS ANDY PACKARD & CREGG COWAN (West Coast) In-Reply-To: <8CFA463F68A2F84-6B4-317E8@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF9D5DF83D686E-5C8-39505@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> <1FAE768B-D151-46D4-8DC5-7379A2CEDAF5@att.net> <8CFA2B9CC53E963-F70-23C4@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <8CFA463F68A2F84-6B4-317E8@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: A hardy second for them both. Andy and Cregg are great guys. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Dec 9, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Please welcome Andy and Cregg to the FOT with "seconds" for both of > them. > > They are preparing a TR4 for endurance racing on the west coast. Of > course > they will need our support in this effort. > > Cregg is very familiar to me and you may have met him when we were all > together at the Laguna Seca Kastner Cup. Andy Packard is also > familiar to me > and a fellow VTR member. > > Andy Packard apackard68 at att.net > Cregg Cowan cregg.cowan at sri.com > > Thanks! > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Packard > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:52 am > Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 > > > It's endurance racing, so there are a minimum of four drivers for > weekend > driving of about eight hours each Saturday and Sunday. Cregg and I > are the > most experienced drivers and John is more technical, although all of > us are > very mechanical and have restored at least one of our own cars. I > have a > TR250 with Ratco frame and triple webers among other upgrades. It > looks stock > and drives fast winning FTD at two VTR events and most Triumphest > autocrosses. > Cregg has two TR6's, a driver and one in restoration. John has > restored a > Spitfire with a rotary engine and is working on a TR4 resto right now. > If you want to just add one person to the FOT group, I would make it > Cregg, > but I would also like to be in on the group too. > Andy > > > > > > On Dec 7, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > > Andy, who is going to be the primary driver and is the most technical? > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Packard > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:43 am > Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 > > > Hi Joe: > Cregg Cowan, John Sisler and I are putting a TR4 Lemons race car > together here > in the Bay Area. We're hoping to tap into some of the race prep > knowledge of > the FOT, but it looks like we need your permission to access the > Facebook > group. > One primary issue we have is identifying the correct size racing > seat options > for a TR4. We're trying to schedule the roll cage construction and > having the > seat in place will help insure we have the correct clearances for > our tallest > drivers. > > Any assistance you can provide in helping us connect with your group > would be > appreciated. > > Andy Packard > > On Nov 30, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> Just a heads up...... >> >> I talked to Sean last night >> >> Sean Alexander has three conversion kits left on the shelf. >> >> If you are planning on doing this conversion, you may consider >> reserving > one. >> >> It takes Sean about 8 weeks to manufacture and assemble 25 kits and >> he has >> three kids active in sports. :-) >> >> You can contact Sean at: alex3rail at gmail.com >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> ________________________________________ >> >> 6pack at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/apackard68 at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From mmoore at wave1.net Mon Dec 10 09:14:28 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 11:14:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gauges rebuilt Message-ID: <001701cdd6f1$6ee8def0$4cba9cd0$@net> I am looking for someone to repair my speedometer and tach in my street TR4 over the winter. Who would you recommend? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 10:17:37 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 11:17:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Gauges rebuilt In-Reply-To: <001701cdd6f1$6ee8def0$4cba9cd0$@net> References: <001701cdd6f1$6ee8def0$4cba9cd0$@net> Message-ID: <7097348A-4E96-46A1-80DE-645F44702273@gmail.com> MIke, Try Nisonger (nisonger.com) in New York. They repaired a modified Smiths tachometer for me on a Morgan. Duncan On Dec 10, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Mike Moore wrote: > I am looking for someone to repair my speedometer and tach in my street TR4 > over the winter. Who would you recommend? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From rjl6n at cstone.net Mon Dec 10 11:27:56 2012 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:27:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gauges Rebuilt Message-ID: <25ea2d38474e8dce1975539648c13364.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> I've had good results with both Nisonger and with Palo Alto Speedometers in the past. John On Mon, December 10, 2012 12:17 pm, Duncan Charlton wrote: > MIke, > > Try Nisonger (nisonger.com) in New York. They repaired a modified Smiths > tachometer for me on a Morgan. > > Duncan > > On Dec 10, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Mike Moore wrote: > >> I am looking for someone to repair my speedometer and tach in my street >> TR4 >> over the winter. Who would you recommend? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> Michael T. Moore, CPA >> >> 2007 West 32nd Street >> >> Erie, PA 16508 >> >> >> >> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >> >> Fax: 814-864-7383 From rwestfall at ymail.com Mon Dec 10 11:42:17 2012 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:42:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Gauges rebuilt Message-ID: <1355164937.61749.YahooMailClassic@web161806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 12/10/12, Russell Westfall wrote: From: Russell Westfall Subject: Re: [Fot] Gauges rebuilt To: fot at autoxteam.net Date: Monday, December 10, 2012, 6:38 PM You could also try; APT Insruments International 9632 Humbolt Ave So. Bloomington MN. 55431 (952) 881 9632 They did the gauges for my M.G. T.D. and they came out beautiful, redyed the face remade the glass covers everything. Not cheap, but good. Russ Westfall --- On Mon, 12/10/12, Duncan Charlton wrote: From: Duncan Charlton Subject: Re: [Fot] Gauges rebuilt To: "Mike Moore" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Date: Monday, December 10, 2012, 5:17 PM MIke, Try Nisonger (nisonger.com) in New York. They repaired a modified Smiths tachometer for me on a Morgan. Duncan On Dec 10, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Mike Moore wrote: > I am looking for someone to repair my speedometer and tach in my street TR4 > over the winter. Who would you recommend? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com From clw2000 at msn.com Mon Dec 10 11:48:11 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:48:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 In-Reply-To: <814E3314-8153-4E5A-BC9B-8803830828B1@aol.com> References: <814E3314-8153-4E5A-BC9B-8803830828B1@aol.com> Message-ID: Chuck - Did you try prodbodies.com ? Thanks, Chuck Watson > From: chasgee at aol.com > Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 16:55:19 -0800 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 > > Hello fellow FOTers, > > I've been looking for a new fiberglass hood for my Spitfire, but all the usual > places won't respond to my inquiries. Does anyone have a current active source > for these hoods? > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From clw2000 at msn.com Mon Dec 10 11:48:22 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:48:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 In-Reply-To: <814E3314-8153-4E5A-BC9B-8803830828B1@aol.com> References: <814E3314-8153-4E5A-BC9B-8803830828B1@aol.com> Message-ID: Chuck - Did you try prodbodies.com ? Thanks, Chuck Watson > From: chasgee at aol.com > Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 16:55:19 -0800 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 > > Hello fellow FOTers, > > I've been looking for a new fiberglass hood for my Spitfire, but all the usual > places won't respond to my inquiries. Does anyone have a current active source > for these hoods? > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Dec 10 12:49:46 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:49:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1959 June Sprints Cool OLD Video Message-ID: A couple of Triumphs in here. Check out the TR3 roll bar that heads backwards from the top of the roll hoop to the TOW HITCH AREA! Like the Pepsi Advertising on the bridge. You might notice a few changes in the landscape on the edge of the track... Night and Day compared to Today. This is some of the best early footage I have seen of Road America. http://vimeo.com/49357431 Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From John.Reed at wilson.com Mon Dec 10 14:02:20 2012 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:02:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1959 June Sprints Cool OLD Video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I love the hands off the steering wheel brake test, in the tech barn! On 12/10/12 1:49 PM, "jason ostrowski" wrote: A couple of Triumphs in here. Check out the TR3 roll bar that heads backwards from the top of the roll hoop to the TOW HITCH AREA! Like the Pepsi Advertising on the bridge. You might notice a few changes in the landscape on the edge of the track... Night and Day compared to Today. This is some of the best early footage I have seen of Road America. http://vimeo.com/49357431 Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.reed at wilson.com John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services [cid:3437996540_16638571] Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W. Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago IL 60631: USA T: 1 773.714.6895 F: 1 773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com http://www.wilson.com http://www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] From budscars at comcast.net Mon Dec 10 14:49:19 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:49:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 1959 June Sprints Cool OLD Video References: Message-ID: <6F38B23F7C8A4B0AACFC0E124CC0BCD4@Bud> Thanks for the Terrific video!!! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reed, John" To: "jason ostrowski" ; "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 1959 June Sprints Cool OLD Video >I love the hands off the steering wheel brake test, in the tech barn! > > > On 12/10/12 1:49 PM, "jason ostrowski" wrote: > > A couple of Triumphs in here. Check out the TR3 roll bar that heads > backwards from the top of the roll hoop to the TOW HITCH AREA! > Like the Pepsi Advertising on the bridge. > You might notice a few changes in the landscape on the edge of the > track... > Night and Day compared to Today. > This is some of the best early footage I have seen of Road America. > http://vimeo.com/49357431 > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.reed at wilson.com > > > > > John Reed > Global Staff Photographer > Creative Services > > [cid:3437996540_16638571] > > Wilson Sporting Goods Co. > 8750 W. Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago IL 60631: USA > T: 1 773.714.6895 F: 1 773.714.4585 > John.Reed at wilson.com http://www.wilson.com http://www.amersports.com > > > > This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you > are > not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please > notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized > copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is > strictly > forbidden. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of > image.png] > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From chasgee at aol.com Mon Dec 10 15:18:42 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:18:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 In-Reply-To: References: <814E3314-8153-4E5A-BC9B-8803830828B1@aol.com> Message-ID: <440696A0-FD79-45CC-87A8-E1195E0E7996@aol.com> Yes, more than once. They haven't responded yet. Chuck On Dec 10, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Charles WATSON wrote: > Chuck - > > Did you try prodbodies.com ? > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > > > > > > From: chasgee at aol.com > > Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 16:55:19 -0800 > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 > > > > Hello fellow FOTers, > > > > I've been looking for a new fiberglass hood for my Spitfire, but all the usual > > places won't respond to my inquiries. Does anyone have a current active source > > for these hoods? > > > > Thanks, > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Dec 10 15:26:54 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Two GT6's for sale in Denver for $2K, for both. Message-ID: <1702694417.921003.1355178414588.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Two GT6's for sale in Denver for $2K, for both. NFI, just FYI OK? 10-4 http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/3455721569.html jim g From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Mon Dec 10 15:27:48 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 14:27:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 In-Reply-To: <440696A0-FD79-45CC-87A8-E1195E0E7996@aol.com> References: <814E3314-8153-4E5A-BC9B-8803830828B1@aol.com> <440696A0-FD79-45CC-87A8-E1195E0E7996@aol.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133503@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Might check with Joe Siam. All of his Spits have glass front ends. Ed Dunn -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Gee Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 2:19 PM To: Charles WATSON Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 Yes, more than once. They haven't responded yet. Chuck On Dec 10, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Charles WATSON wrote: > Chuck - > > Did you try prodbodies.com ? > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > > > > > > From: chasgee at aol.com > > Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 16:55:19 -0800 > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 > > > > Hello fellow FOTers, > > > > I've been looking for a new fiberglass hood for my Spitfire, but all the usual > > places won't respond to my inquiries. Does anyone have a current active source > > for these hoods? > > > > Thanks, > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 10 15:50:55 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:50:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Two GT6's for sale in Denver for $2K, for both. In-Reply-To: <1702694417.921003.1355178414588.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1702694417.921003.1355178414588.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <50C6674F.4000508@bradakis.com> Good thing I didn't see this back when I had the money earlier this summer! mjb. From wgrosenbach at juno.com Mon Dec 10 15:55:40 2012 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (wgrosenbach at juno.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:55:40 GMT Subject: [Fot] 1959 June Sprints Cool OLD Video Message-ID: <20121210.155540.30475.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Gotta love the F&C workers standing at the apex with paddle flags! ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] 1959 June Sprints Cool OLD Video Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:49:46 -0600 A couple of Triumphs in here. Check out the TR3 roll bar that heads backwards from the top of the roll hoop to the TOW HITCH AREA! Like the Pepsi Advertising on the bridge. You might notice a few changes in the landscape on the edge of the track... Night and Day compared to Today. This is some of the best early footage I have seen of Road America. http://vimeo.com/49357431 Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wgrosenbach at juno.com ____________________________________________________________ Veteran Home Loans Apply for VA Loans with competitive interest rates at Military.com. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50c668b8e6e7368b83010st02vuc From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Dec 10 17:20:17 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:20:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... Message-ID: Hi, I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net Ever the pot-stirrer, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From budscars at comcast.net Mon Dec 10 17:48:50 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 16:48:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... References: Message-ID: <3ADD57A859E4430FB4DA5FF40900C2AA@Bud> The PA Hillclimbs have a marvelous history. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 4:20 PM Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > Hi, > > I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem > to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from > my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like > the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the > non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held > 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the > autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers > who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... > > Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. > > Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net > > Ever the pot-stirrer, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Dec 10 18:14:09 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:14:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFA553F523F277-1DC0-5421@webmail-m175.sysops.aol.com> Excellent! We have been exploring alternative uses of our cars. MN has a couple hillclimbs and airport autocrosses we are looking at. Lower cost family activity for us and frequently requires less time with everybody's busy schedules. Not much interested in parking lots and pylons.....did that for 10 years, but it is another choice. Thanks Bob! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert M. Lang To: fot Sent: Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:20 pm Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... Hi, I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net Ever the pot-stirrer, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From budscars at comcast.net Mon Dec 10 18:57:45 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:57:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... References: <8CFA553F523F277-1DC0-5421@webmail-m175.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5EF100571CD1456693D166A8C829808F@Bud> it seems that there are/were some hillclimbs in Idaho? RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: ; Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > Excellent! > > We have been exploring alternative uses of our cars. > > MN has a couple hillclimbs and airport autocrosses we are looking at. > > Lower cost family activity for us and frequently requires less time with > everybody's busy schedules. > > Not much interested in parking lots and pylons.....did that for 10 years, > but > it is another choice. > > Thanks Bob! > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert M. Lang > To: fot > Sent: Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:20 pm > Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > > > Hi, > > I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem > to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from > my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like > the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the > non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held > 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the > autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers > who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... > > Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. > > Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net > > Ever the pot-stirrer, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 10 19:55:54 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:55:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: <5EF100571CD1456693D166A8C829808F@Bud> References: <8CFA553F523F277-1DC0-5421@webmail-m175.sysops.aol.com> <5EF100571CD1456693D166A8C829808F@Bud> Message-ID: <50C6A0BA.2010208@bradakis.com> RACER BUD wrote: > it seems that there are/were some hillclimbs in Idaho? I don't really know if those are still around. When I was active with the local SCCA region I heard about them, would put the info in the SCCA newsletter. Back in the mid - late 90s IVR ran a few hillclimbs. Those were fun. Killer's first public appearance was at the 1997 Snow Basin hillclimb. But we lost both our twisty mountain roads to construction for the 2002 Utah Olympics and shifted focus to the "road" races out at the Wendover airport. 2013 may see me once again take a modestly active part in local motorsports, I'll look into the Idaho hillclimbs. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 10 20:01:31 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:01:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimbs Message-ID: <50C6A20B.9030001@bradakis.com> Hillclimb info for out here in my neck of the woods: http://www.nhahillclimb.org/ mjb. From sjanzen at me.com Mon Dec 10 20:15:36 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:15:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F7505C0-CE5F-4C45-9948-060B1674A412@me.com> Pa hill climbs are lots of fun and the hills have a lot of history - they've been running Giants Despair continuously since 1906. They have one every two weeks from June 8th to Sept 14, only one hill repeated, and it's a terrific one (Weatherly). Good paddock scene, great variety of cars and people, quite a few spectators as these are local, small town events, Pagoda and Duryea being bigger (in Reading). No run-off, no guard rails, just the real deal - rocks, trees sone walls and occasionally getting airborne. Only caveat for you road racers is that driving time is limited. If things run smoothly, you might get four runs in a day, 1-3 minutes a shot depending on the hill. Entry fees are low. Rich Rock is one of the hill climb experts on this forum, being one of the organizers and having run them for years. And yes, there are usually several Triumphs. On Dec 10, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Robert M. Lang wrote: Hi, I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net Ever the pot-stirrer, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From dkettler1 at charter.net Mon Dec 10 20:54:01 2012 From: dkettler1 at charter.net (David Kettler) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:54:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Gauges rebuilt In-Reply-To: <001701cdd6f1$6ee8def0$4cba9cd0$@net> References: <001701cdd6f1$6ee8def0$4cba9cd0$@net> Message-ID: Mike: Had a TR3 Tach repaired by British Miles in Morrisville, PA this year. 215-736-9300. I was satisfied with the work. Dave Kettler -----Original Message----- From: Mike Moore Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 10:14 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Gauges rebuilt I am looking for someone to repair my speedometer and tach in my street TR4 over the winter. Who would you recommend? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dkettler1 at charter.net From triumphs at consolidated.net Mon Dec 10 21:45:02 2012 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:45:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimbs In-Reply-To: <50C6A20B.9030001@bradakis.com> References: <50C6A20B.9030001@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <9BF31657-2747-4A6C-8B63-3E34536E85BD@consolidated.net> Cool. Thank you. Kg Sent from my iPad On Dec 10, 2012, at 9:01 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Hillclimb info for out here in my neck of the woods: > > http://www.nhahillclimb.org/ > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From triumphs at consolidated.net Mon Dec 10 21:56:29 2012 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:56:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: <0F7505C0-CE5F-4C45-9948-060B1674A412@me.com> References: <0F7505C0-CE5F-4C45-9948-060B1674A412@me.com> Message-ID: <12163DBE-0097-4E80-948B-D592B3B6C0F4@consolidated.net> Put me on the list, at least to spectate :-) There is a fun hill climb, believe it or not, in Western Indiana. Newport. It runs once a year, in October and is limited to pre WWII cars (unless the manufacture is out of business, then it the early 1950's). It starts right at the courthouse door and runs a drag race straight up a steep hill. Ken Gano Sent from my iPad On Dec 10, 2012, at 9:15 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > Pa hill climbs are lots of fun and the hills have a lot of history - they've been running Giants Despair continuously since 1906. They have one every two weeks from June 8th to Sept 14, only one hill repeated, and it's a terrific one (Weatherly). Good paddock scene, great variety of cars and people, quite a few spectators as these are local, small town events, Pagoda and Duryea being bigger (in Reading). No run-off, no guard rails, just the real deal - rocks, trees sone walls and occasionally getting airborne. > Only caveat for you road racers is that driving time is limited. If things run smoothly, you might get four runs in a day, 1-3 minutes a shot depending on the hill. > Entry fees are low. Rich Rock is one of the hill climb experts on this forum, being one of the organizers and having run them for years. > > And yes, there are usually several Triumphs. > > On Dec 10, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > > Hi, > > I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... > > Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. > > Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net > > Ever the pot-stirrer, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From hakhutch at roadrunner.com Tue Dec 11 06:46:57 2012 From: hakhutch at roadrunner.com (Tim Hutchisen) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 08:46:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... References: Message-ID: <380AD35DAAC446C182CAB7A757602FE6@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Bob and other East Coast FOT'ers, The PA hillclimb circuit has lots of history and good events. If you can't make it to any of the PA events, you can try a little closer to home for a good hillclimb event. New England Hill Climb Association (NEHA) is quite active throughout the warm season in the Northeast. A half dozen or so events every year, most are in Vermont. Go to http://hillclimb.org/index.html for more info. Lots of variety in the paddock and good people too. Tim Hutchisen Norway, ME ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:20 PM Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > Hi, > > I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem > to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from > my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like > the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the > non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held > 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the > autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers > who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... > > Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. > > Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net > > Ever the pot-stirrer, > rml From sjanzen at me.com Mon Dec 10 20:15:36 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:15:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F7505C0-CE5F-4C45-9948-060B1674A412@me.com> Pa hill climbs are lots of fun and the hills have a lot of history - they've been running Giants Despair continuously since 1906. They have one every two weeks from June 8th to Sept 14, only one hill repeated, and it's a terrific one (Weatherly). Good paddock scene, great variety of cars and people, quite a few spectators as these are local, small town events, Pagoda and Duryea being bigger (in Reading). No run-off, no guard rails, just the real deal - rocks, trees sone walls and occasionally getting airborne. Only caveat for you road racers is that driving time is limited. If things run smoothly, you might get four runs in a day, 1-3 minutes a shot depending on the hill. Entry fees are low. Rich Rock is one of the hill climb experts on this forum, being one of the organizers and having run them for years. And yes, there are usually several Triumphs. On Dec 10, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Robert M. Lang wrote: Hi, I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net Ever the pot-stirrer, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 07:34:23 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 08:34:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1959 June Sprints Cool OLD Video In-Reply-To: <6F38B23F7C8A4B0AACFC0E124CC0BCD4@Bud> References: <6F38B23F7C8A4B0AACFC0E124CC0BCD4@Bud> Message-ID: I found it surprising ing how little the track itself has changed. The configuration of the turns/straights looked pretty much as it did last time I saw it, about 4 or 5 years ago. Duncan On Dec 10, 2012, at 3:49 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > Thanks for the Terrific video!!! > RB From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 11 07:58:03 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 09:58:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: <380AD35DAAC446C182CAB7A757602FE6@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> References: <380AD35DAAC446C182CAB7A757602FE6@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: <8CFA5C70DA88A1C-A94-888E@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> The TAIL OF THE DRAGON HILL CLIMB is growing in popularity. I saw JK Jackson and Gary Hunter there this year. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tim Hutchisen To: Robert M. Lang ; fot Sent: Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:23 am Subject: Re: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... Bob and other East Coast FOT'ers, The PA hillclimb circuit has lots of history and good events. If you can't make it to any of the PA events, you can try a little closer to home for a good hillclimb event. New England Hill Climb Association (NEHA) is quite active throughout the warm season in the Northeast. A half dozen or so events every year, most are in Vermont. Go to http://hillclimb.org/index.html for more info. Lots of variety in the paddock and good people too. Tim Hutchisen Norway, ME ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:20 PM Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > Hi, > > I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem > to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from > my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like > the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the > non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held > 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the > autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers > who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... > > Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. > > Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net > > Ever the pot-stirrer, > rml _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 08:42:37 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:42:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: <8CFA5C70DA88A1C-A94-888E@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> References: <380AD35DAAC446C182CAB7A757602FE6@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> <8CFA5C70DA88A1C-A94-888E@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Now that is a ride if you have never done it.....and the dragon bites someone every year....I have heard more than one horror story from wrecks on that run. On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > The TAIL OF THE DRAGON HILL CLIMB is growing in popularity. I saw JK > Jackson > and Gary Hunter there this year. > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Hutchisen > To: Robert M. Lang ; fot > Sent: Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:23 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > > > Bob and other East Coast FOT'ers, > The PA hillclimb circuit has lots of history and good events. If you can't > make it to any of the PA events, you can try a little closer to home for a > good hillclimb event. New England Hill Climb Association (NEHA) is quite > active throughout the warm season in the Northeast. A half dozen or so > events every year, most are in Vermont. Go to > http://hillclimb.org/index.html for more info. > Lots of variety in the paddock and good people too. > Tim Hutchisen > Norway, ME > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:20 PM > Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > > > > Hi, > > > > I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem > > to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from > > my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like > > the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the > > non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held > > 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the > > autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers > > who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... > > > > Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. > > > > Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net > > > > Ever the pot-stirrer, > > rml > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 11 08:51:27 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:51:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: References: <380AD35DAAC446C182CAB7A757602FE6@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> <8CFA5C70DA88A1C-A94-888E@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFA5CE838CA66A-A94-8EB3@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> a transponder is recommended so they can find your remains...... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Deanes To: Joe Alexander Cc: hakhutch ; lang ; fot Sent: Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:42 am Subject: Re: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... Now that is a ride if you have never done it.....and the dragon bites someone every year....I have heard more than one horror story from wrecks on that run. On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: The TAIL OF THE DRAGON HILL CLIMB is growing in popularity. I saw JK Jackson and Gary Hunter there this year. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tim Hutchisen To: Robert M. Lang ; fot Sent: Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:23 am Subject: Re: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... Bob and other East Coast FOT'ers, The PA hillclimb circuit has lots of history and good events. If you can't make it to any of the PA events, you can try a little closer to home for a good hillclimb event. New England Hill Climb Association (NEHA) is quite active throughout the warm season in the Northeast. A half dozen or so events every year, most are in Vermont. Go to http://hillclimb.org/index.html for more info. Lots of variety in the paddock and good people too. Tim Hutchisen Norway, ME ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:20 PM Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > Hi, > > I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem > to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from > my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like > the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the > non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held > 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the > autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers > who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... > > Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. > > Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net > > Ever the pot-stirrer, > rml _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com -- rob deanes TR Racer From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 11 09:15:41 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:15:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS Message-ID: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> FOT; We have now exceeded our contracted number of suites at the OSTHOF. I need to contract an addendum. They will work with us on this, but I need information. If you have not made reservations yet, but plan to, please contact me. Being at the Osthof is part of the weekend experience and is cost effective when suites are shared. Please respond to this request................................................and our earlier request for your plans to enter. Entry plans are vital for several reasons........for one, VSCDA will use this information to negotiate with track management. It will be to our benefit if everyone responds to their plans for entry. Shortly, you will see the promotion of this event being amped up. VSCDA has asked for the artwork for the FOT LOGO. BTW, we are self sponsored and now up to 20 "SPONSORS' in the FOT RANKS. Generously, too. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue Dec 11 09:23:50 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:23:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> cheapskate that I am, I'm wondering what staying at the track is like? Power in the paddock, decent showers, extra charges for camping? On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: FOT; We have now exceeded our contracted number of suites at the OSTHOF. I need to contract an addendum. They will work with us on this, but I need information. If you have not made reservations yet, but plan to, please contact me. Being at the Osthof is part of the weekend experience and is cost effective when suites are shared. Please respond to this request................................................and our earlier request for your plans to enter. Entry plans are vital for several reasons........for one, VSCDA will use this information to negotiate with track management. It will be to our benefit if everyone responds to their plans for entry. Shortly, you will see the promotion of this event being amped up. VSCDA has asked for the artwork for the FOT LOGO. BTW, we are self sponsored and now up to 20 "SPONSORS' in the FOT RANKS. Generously, too. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Tue Dec 11 09:33:14 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:33:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> Message-ID: Scott, that's a good question. I'm also racing in a budget and typically camp at the track and love it actually... Perhaps I'll make the haul next year. If I do it would be my first US event. I think the KCup would be a great 1st too... Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-11, at 11:25 AM, "Scott Janzen" wrote: > cheapskate that I am, I'm wondering what staying at the track is like? Power in the paddock, decent showers, extra charges for camping? > > On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > FOT; > > We have now exceeded our contracted number of suites at the OSTHOF. > > I need to contract an addendum. They will work with us on this, but I need > information. > > If you have not made reservations yet, but plan to, please contact me. > > Being at the Osthof is part of the weekend experience and is cost effective > when suites are shared. > > Please respond to this > request................................................and our earlier request > for your plans to enter. > > Entry plans are vital for several reasons........for one, VSCDA will use this > information to negotiate with track management. It will be to our benefit if > everyone responds to their plans for entry. > > Shortly, you will see the promotion of this event being amped up. VSCDA has > asked for the artwork for the FOT LOGO. > > BTW, we are self sponsored and now up to 20 "SPONSORS' in the FOT RANKS. > Generously, too. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 11 09:34:11 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:34:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> Message-ID: <8CFA5D47BECE1EC-A94-9431@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> ROADAMERICA.COM will give you all of that information. Road America charges for everything, but the infrastructure for camping is excellent. I usually prefer staying at the track, myself. It's a great place to be when the track goes to sleep and wakes up in the morning. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:23 am Subject: Re: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS cheapskate that I am, I'm wondering what staying at the track is like? Power in the paddock, decent showers, extra charges for camping? On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: FOT; We have now exceeded our contracted number of suites at the OSTHOF. I need to contract an addendum. They will work with us on this, but I need information. If you have not made reservations yet, but plan to, please contact me. Being at the Osthof is part of the weekend experience and is cost effective when suites are shared. Please respond to this request................................................and our earlier request for your plans to enter. Entry plans are vital for several reasons........for one, VSCDA will use this information to negotiate with track management. It will be to our benefit if everyone responds to their plans for entry. Shortly, you will see the promotion of this event being amped up. VSCDA has asked for the artwork for the FOT LOGO. BTW, we are self sponsored and now up to 20 "SPONSORS' in the FOT RANKS. Generously, too. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From jason at multivintage.com Tue Dec 11 09:40:52 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:40:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> Message-ID: Scott, All the cool people stay at the track. Don't worry about that. They have half way decent showers and all that. We usually do the stuff downtown elkhart and osthoff then head back to the track for some serious campfire and a level of partying to be determined by whether or not your car is working or not. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:23:50 To: Joe Alexander Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS cheapskate that I am, I'm wondering what staying at the track is like? Power in the paddock, decent showers, extra charges for camping? On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: FOT; We have now exceeded our contracted number of suites at the OSTHOF. I need to contract an addendum. They will work with us on this, but I need information. If you have not made reservations yet, but plan to, please contact me. Being at the Osthof is part of the weekend experience and is cost effective when suites are shared. Please respond to this request................................................and our earlier request for your plans to enter. Entry plans are vital for several reasons........for one, VSCDA will use this information to negotiate with track management. It will be to our benefit if everyone responds to their plans for entry. Shortly, you will see the promotion of this event being amped up. VSCDA has asked for the artwork for the FOT LOGO. BTW, we are self sponsored and now up to 20 "SPONSORS' in the FOT RANKS. Generously, too. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Dec 11 09:44:10 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:44:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Dec 2012, Scott Janzen wrote: > cheapskate that I am, I'm wondering what staying at the track is like? > Power in the paddock, decent showers, extra charges for camping? >From experience: staying at the track is okay. There's decent showers available and not too hard to find. I forget the charge for camping, but it was reasonable. Actually, we might have camped for free at the 2007 MOTRAH event based on our entry fee / crew status. The one problem with Road America is that it can get fairly cold, based on the 2007 experience. It was in the 30's on SUN morming. That was May, but Sep might not be any "better" in that regard. My current plan is to camp. But I might change my mind if I can get a group from New England to make the trek. On the other hand, I might be making a stop at RA on my way back from Solo Nationals... my plans are that much "up in the air" right now. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 11 09:50:16 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:50:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] INFORMATION SOURCES KCUP 2013 and THANK YOU! Message-ID: <8CFA5D6BA8A8F96-A94-96A9@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> roadamerica.com vscda.org osthoff.com fot-racing.com We want to thank everyone who have reported their intentions to enter or attend. Also, thanks to all who have made early reservations at the OSTHOFF. Extreme appreciation goes to those who are making this event financially possible. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 11 09:56:55 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:56:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <1990299364-1355244053-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1196878571-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> <1990299364-1355244053-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1196878571-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <8CFA5D7A87D09C2-A94-9777@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> What Jason said.....exactly. Except the showers are almost first class KOHLER. ALSO, the more information we have on entries and attendees, the easier it will be to ask for PADDOCK SPACE to contain us all. I am particularly interested in the layout of the paddock as that is where we spend most of our time. Jason, I plan to go in a day early to garner space in the paddock. Want to help? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Tue Dec 11 10:27:22 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Yahoo) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:27:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> Message-ID: <4BC14D99-7C39-4A03-80F0-E29CBE9F68C4@yahoo.com> 30 degrees. Do we need to bring spikes! Ty Sent from my iPhone '63 Triumph TR4 DP Race Car ++++ On Dec 11, 2012, at 9:44 AM, "Robert M. Lang" wrote: > On Tue, 11 Dec 2012, Scott Janzen wrote: > >> cheapskate that I am, I'm wondering what staying at the track is like? Power in the paddock, decent showers, extra charges for camping? > > From experience: staying at the track is okay. There's decent showers available and not too hard to find. I forget the charge for camping, but it was reasonable. Actually, we might have camped for free at the 2007 MOTRAH event based on our entry fee / crew status. > > The one problem with Road America is that it can get fairly cold, based on the 2007 experience. It was in the 30's on SUN morming. That was May, but Sep might not be any "better" in that regard. > > My current plan is to camp. But I might change my mind if I can get a group from New England to make the trek. > > On the other hand, I might be making a stop at RA on my way back from Solo Nationals... my plans are that much "up in the air" right now. > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 11 10:37:09 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:37:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <4BC14D99-7C39-4A03-80F0-E29CBE9F68C4@yahoo.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> <4BC14D99-7C39-4A03-80F0-E29CBE9F68C4@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFA5DD47D02A12-A94-9C40@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> WRONG! This is the first weekend after AUGUST! Bob was talking about the first weekend in May. 30 degrees. Do we need to bring spikes! TySent from my iPhone'63 Triumph TR4 DP Race Car++++On Dec 11, 2012, at 9:44 AM, "Robert M. Lang" wrote:> From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Dec 11 10:39:57 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:39:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS Message-ID: <1e18e.743690a5.3df8c9ed@aol.com> In a message dated 12/11/2012 11:28:17 AM Central Standard Time, tylerpthompson at yahoo.com writes: > 30 degrees. Do we need to bring spikes! > The September vintage event at ROAD AMERICA has usually been blessed with what we call 'Indian Summer' weather. Yes, cooler nights and mornings, but summer like weather during the day. Yes, Wisconsin weather can be an issue, but I've lived here all my life and September and October are our best months. For sure bring a sweat shirt and/or jacket for in the morning or at night, but expect to get by with short sleeves and shorts during the day. With any luck, the trees will begin showing their fall colors. If you don't get to experienced that where you are from...you will be in for a treat. Quite frankly, it does not get any better. Bill Dentinger From jason at multivintage.com Tue Dec 11 10:40:57 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:40:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <8CFA5D7A87D09C2-A94-9777@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> <1990299364-1355244053-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1196878571-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CFA5D7A87D09C2-A94-9777@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Yes, I will gladly help with that. Concerning power in the paddock... There are some outlets placed in certain areas. But there is no guarantee that we will all have access. I always bring the cords AND the generator to RA. Sometimes you get easy acesss sometimes you don't. Efforts will certainly be made for Triumph area to have power near but that will shake out in due time. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:56:55 To: Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS What Jason said.....exactly. Except the showers are almost first class KOHLER. ALSO, the more information we have on entries and attendees, the easier it will be to ask for PADDOCK SPACE to contain us all. I am particularly interested in the layout of the paddock as that is where we spend most of our time. Jason, I plan to go in a day early to garner space in the paddock. Want to help? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Tue Dec 11 11:46:08 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 13:46:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <1e18e.743690a5.3df8c9ed@aol.com> References: <1e18e.743690a5.3df8c9ed@aol.com> Message-ID: 30, heck that's tropical for me :) Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-11, at 12:44 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/11/2012 11:28:17 AM Central Standard Time, > tylerpthompson at yahoo.com writes: > > >> 30 degrees. Do we need to bring spikes! >> > The September vintage event at ROAD AMERICA has usually been blessed with > what we call 'Indian Summer' weather. Yes, cooler nights and mornings, but > summer like weather during the day. Yes, Wisconsin weather can be an issue, > but I've lived here all my life and September and October are our best > months. For sure bring a sweat shirt and/or jacket for in the morning or at > night, but expect to get by with short sleeves and shorts during the day. With > any luck, the trees will begin showing their fall colors. If you don't get > to experienced that where you are from...you will be in for a treat. Quite > frankly, it does not get any better. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From triosan at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 13:34:47 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:34:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <8CFA5D7A87D09C2-A94-9777@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> <1990299364-1355244053-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1196878571-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CFA5D7A87D09C2-A94-9777@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Will there be a "Test n Tune" day on Thursday [aka, get to know the track]? On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > What Jason said.....exactly. Except the showers are almost first class > KOHLER. > > ALSO, the more information we have on entries and attendees, the easier it > will be to ask for PADDOCK SPACE to contain us all. I am particularly > interested in the layout of the paddock as that is where we spend most of > our > time. > > Jason, I plan to go in a day early to garner space in the paddock. Want to > help? > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From mark at bradakis.com Tue Dec 11 16:45:03 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:45:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sweet Sixteen Message-ID: <50C7C57F.5060406@bradakis.com> December 11, 1996 - The first of many messages to this FOT list went out. Still one of my favorite lists, with lots of great people! Happy Birthday to all of us! mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Tue Dec 11 17:03:19 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:03:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Sweet Sixteen References: <50C7C57F.5060406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <80B2214780F04830931A5B43DD73CBA1@Bud> HAPPY BIRTHDAY FOT! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:45 PM Subject: [Fot] Sweet Sixteen > December 11, 1996 - The first of many messages to this FOT list went out. > > Still one of my favorite lists, with lots of great people! > > Happy Birthday to all of us! > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Dec 11 18:17:17 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:17:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sweet Sixteen References: <50C7C57F.5060406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <667089CEE5564B24B51587C71186E2DE@hpd530> Mine's tomorrow, 12-12-12!!!!!! And I'm ssure not 16 anymore!!!! (I'll be singing the old Beatles song). Peace. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 6:45 PM Subject: [Fot] Sweet Sixteen > December 11, 1996 - The first of many messages to this FOT list went out. > > Still one of my favorite lists, with lots of great people! > > Happy Birthday to all of us! > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 06:23:25 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 05:23:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction Message-ID: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Dec 12 06:45:04 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:45:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Race it. jim g -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Shawn Frank Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:23 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From jhouathome at aol.com Wed Dec 12 07:07:03 2012 From: jhouathome at aol.com (John Houlton) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 08:07:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <20121212135616.0353640E60@autox.team.net> References: <20121212135616.0353640E60@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <3647B9A2-1059-4A13-8379-AA01D0E6ED2F@aol.com> Yes, race it. Race it now! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2012, at 7:45 AM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > Race it. > > > jim g > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Shawn Frank > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:23 AM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction > > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com From tarch at bellsouth.net Wed Dec 12 07:21:26 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:21:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <3647B9A2-1059-4A13-8379-AA01D0E6ED2F@aol.com> References: <20121212135616.0353640E60@autox.team.net> <3647B9A2-1059-4A13-8379-AA01D0E6ED2F@aol.com> Message-ID: <004801cdd873$f8ee2e10$eaca8a30$@net> The smart option is to restore it! Spend 2 years and $35,000 on it. Make it a beautify machine and sell it for $25,000. You've only lost 2 years and 10 Gs. Think about how much farther ahead you are than if you raced it....:) Richard Taylor TR-4 196 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Houlton Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:07 AM To: Jim Gray Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction Yes, race it. Race it now! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2012, at 7:45 AM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > Race it. > > > jim g > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Shawn Frank > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:23 AM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction > > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we > should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft > top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net From rjl6n at cstone.net Wed Dec 12 07:22:33 2012 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:22:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <646205ca60831bffc51ee311764fe2ed.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Race car! John On Wed, December 12, 2012 8:23 am, Shawn Frank wrote: > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't > start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 07:27:03 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 08:27:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C07A943-BC01-4EBB-A415-FA22BDD936F9@yahoo.com> Carb or FI? Each have their idiosyncrasies. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Shawn Frank wrote: > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Dec 12 07:45:49 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:45:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Could it be a "street able track day car"? You'd get more seat time and pleasure for your money and leave a door open to further convert to full race later. It would make an excellent race car for sure. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-12, at 8:23 AM, "Shawn Frank" wrote: > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 07:49:35 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:49:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction Message-ID: <1355323775.66227.androidMobile@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> It is a 1980 convertible, green, with AC. It is a very nice find for the price, and would not take much to get it on the road. Should we do an Edelbrock manifold and carb? Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 08:02:07 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 07:02:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction Message-ID: <1355324527.23495.androidMobile@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> It will stay in our fleet as of right now. I agree that we should get it running and drive it. I am hoping to have 3 of our fleet heading to the KCup, including the TR8, a 71 Spitfire MKIV, and an 80 Spitfire 1500. I will try to post pics tonight, as we (friend of mine) head over to see about turning it over tonight. Cross your fingers...shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Dec 12 08:06:18 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:06:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction Message-ID: <1fd34.419073f.3df9f76a@aol.com> In a message dated 12/12/2012 8:46:14 AM Central Standard Time, vangoughv at hotmail.com writes: > Could it be a "street able track day car"? > You'd get more seat time and pleasure for your money and leave a door open > to > further convert to full race later. It would make an excellent race car > for sure. > More than a few people think that aluminum engine is one of the best engines ever built. We had one in a Buick mid-sized convertible, and it was a great little car. Pound for pound...it sure had a lot of power. Bill Dentinger From stutzmans at comcast.net Wed Dec 12 08:33:09 2012 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:33:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <004801cdd873$f8ee2e10$eaca8a30$@net> References: <20121212135616.0353640E60@autox.team.net><3647B9A2-1059-4A13-8379-AA01D0E6ED2F@aol.com> <004801cdd873$f8ee2e10$eaca8a30$@net> Message-ID: <53BEAEF7439B43D29AC2CF16136829B5@ComputerPC> Give the car and $5000 to somebody else. That way you will have only lost $5000 and none of your time. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Taylor" To: "'John Houlton'" ; "'Jim Gray'" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > The smart option is to restore it! > > Spend 2 years and $35,000 on it. Make it a beautify machine and sell it > for > $25,000. You've only lost 2 years and 10 Gs. > > Think about how much farther ahead you are than if you raced it....:) > > Richard Taylor > TR-4 196 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of John Houlton > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:07 AM > To: Jim Gray > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > Yes, race it. Race it now! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 12, 2012, at 7:45 AM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > >> Race it. >> >> >> jim g >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of Shawn Frank >> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:23 AM >> To: FOT at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction >> >> We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we >> should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft >> top, doesn't > start >> and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? >> HELP! Shawn >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Dec 12 08:58:29 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:58:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Trans Message-ID: Advice on Synchro Rings....TR4 close ratio gears, stock case....The last ones I got from Quantumechanics lasted for almost one race weekend before the shift into 4th. Started to "grind" Now after the 3rd. Race it's starting to "grind" into 3rd. As well. What's the best choice and from where? Thanks to all..... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 12 07:55:21 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 08:55:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8B76EDC8-E315-4B66-8CE5-13CD3B50CF4B@sbcglobal.net> Who is we? I'd say get it to run, get all of the systems back into working order, drive the car to see if you like it then decide what to do with it. D On Dec 12, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Shawn Frank wrote: > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From riverside at southslope.net Wed Dec 12 10:45:33 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:45:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2989F6793663441096461FDE760CC76F@rileyPC> WE have had a few TR8's in here. You will have the usual fuel system and hydraulics movies to attend. If you are going to have fun with it on the street, I would remove all the A/C stuff and put on an offy intake with a small holly with center pivot floats. Get some decent rubber and call it good without a big investment. Making it serious fast will eat you alive. If you don't want to fool with it, contact me off group. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Frank Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:23 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2634/5452 - Release Date: 12/11/12 From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 12 11:35:48 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:35:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 Information Sources Message-ID: <8CFA6AEA3EED886-C68-20494@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com> Well, this is exciting. I am getting a big rush of inquiries........ Host Hotel: THE OSTHOFF RESORT HOTEL osthoff.com Lots of action here with the car show and old course reenactment....short walk to historic Siebkins. Rates as I remember them: GUEST ROOM $139.00 One Bedroom Suite $159.00 Two Bedroom Suite $189.00 Three Bedroom Suite $239.00 The suites also have hideabed couches in the living room. Can be Very cost effective when shared. Use FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH when calling in for 20% discount. Use FRIEND for code if reserving online. VSCDA is the Sanctioning Body: vscda.org for all entry information as it becomes available. If you have a SCCA or other TRIUMPH outside the normal guidelines of VINTAGE/HISTORIC, please contact me. There is usually a test and tune option....and cancellation policies are quite liberal. ROAD AMERICA is the venue: roadamerica.com for all camping and gate information, as touring options. As time goes on you will see more information forthcoming from VSCDA and ROAD AMERICA on their websites and in advertising. For a lot of reasons, this is a near perfect fit for this year's KASTNER CUP. Thanks for all of the inquiries in the past few days. The more interest we have, the easier it will be for the FOT and VSCDA to get some added attention from Road America. Considerable attention is being paid to VTR and the immediately surrounding CAR CLUBS......this translates into "GATE" and added excitement for the weekend. Thanks once again, to those folks who have become our SPONSORS for the weekend. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Wed Dec 12 13:03:57 2012 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 06:03:57 +1000 Subject: [Fot] re Trans (syncro rings) Message-ID: I've given up with recent repros. i buy up every old TR or T2000 box i can find and take the genuine rings out, measure up clearances on a brand new gear and pick the best ones, typically 1st and 4th. if someone has a source of properly made rings, let us all know, but dont dare suggest the crap sold by Moss or Rimmers or County Terry O'Beirne Australia From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Dec 12 13:17:13 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:17:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355323775.66227.androidMobile@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355323775.66227.androidMobile@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1D563084-0FF5-4593-9755-2F934C50D047@gmail.com> The engine will respond to tuning. I recall that the TR8 had a low compression engine, a less-than-ideal intake manifold, and a smog camshaft. Throttle response is greatly improved with a bump in compression and an Edelbrock carb and intake manifold. There is a lot of advice on the 'net about improving performance in these engines, which are the UK equivalent of the 350 small-block Chevy engine as far as performance experience and practice. Our 1971 Morgan Plus 8, which started life with a 3.5 Rover engine (10.25:1 compression ratio), had a rather wheezy salvaged TR8 engine in it when we bought it in 2003. The Morgan now has the same basic BOP/Rover engine but a higher compression ratio (9.35:1), an Edelbrock/Weber/Carter carburetor (easier setup than the Holley -- after all the tuning checks I ended up having changed nothing but the idle mixture and speed) and manifold, a Piper 272 camshaft and coated headers from a later Plus 8. I did port-matching only on the TR8's SD1-spec heads. It retains plenty of low-end torque but it will wind out to 6000+ rpm if one wishes. Want more power? Rover Vitesse heads would be the best stock heads (unless you want to get fancy and use a set of aluminum 1964-only Buick 300 heads; they breathe well -- you'd need to jigger the intake manifold fit and use different exhaust manifolds). There are a couple of aftermarket heads out there (Wildcat is one) but I'm not convinced they are worth the money and trouble yet. There are production versions of the BOP/Rover engine in 3.9 liter, 4.0 (those two share the same B/S but blocks are slightly different), 4.2, 4.3, 4.4, 4.5, 4.6, and 5.0 liters but several of those sizes would be hard to find in the US, having been used on TVRs and some Australian cars. The 4.0 and 4.6 injected engines are pretty plentiful and are found in Range Rovers. Probably with what amounts to an RV camshaft, though, better to lug all that weight around. The 4.6 will give 225 hp and 280 lb/ft of torque, not bad given the TR8's weight. Or if that's not enough, upgrade to a 5.2 liter version of the same engine with a little help from RPI. Use the 3.5 front timing cover if you want to stay with a distributor instead of crank-triggered ignition. Not sure what to say about your transmission's reliability, though! Duncan (Texas) On Dec 12, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Shawn Frank wrote: > It is a 1980 convertible, green, with AC. It is a very nice find for the > price, and would not take much to get it on the road. Should we do an > Edelbrock manifold and carb? Shawn From fogbro1 at comcast.net Wed Dec 12 14:56:49 2012 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Give the owner $2000 and walk away from the car. You will save thousands of dollars and many hundred of hours of your life in the long run. Ed Woods (with credit to my brother Harvey for figuring this out years ago; although I have rarely heeded this advice.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Frank" To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:23:25 AM Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! B Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fogbro1 at comcast.net From sjanzen at me.com Wed Dec 12 15:10:04 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:10:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <0602961D-5D98-4E9C-8EC1-29754ABA59DC@me.com> I don't know, folks - most of this advice would apply to any of our cars - walk away? If I cared about my wrench time and money I'd be racing a Miata. Now, maybe a TR8 is not the one most of us love, but I bet they're a hoot to drive. Go ahead - get it running - see if you like it. On Dec 12, 2012, at 4:56 PM, fogbro1 at comcast.net wrote: Give the owner $2000 and walk away from the car. You will save thousands of dollars and many hundred of hours of your life in the long run. Ed Woods (with credit to my brother Harvey for figuring this out years ago; although I have rarely heeded this advice.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Frank" To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:23:25 AM Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! B Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fogbro1 at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Dec 12 15:30:42 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:30:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7FC1D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> How did this list get taken over by such soulless, fun-sucking pragmatists??? ;-) My vote - Get it running and drive it for a while before you spend any money on it. Then fall in love with it and invest thousands of dollars and weekend hours and either drive it on the street or turn it into a silly, impractical, expensive race car. Just like the rest of us. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fogbro1 at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 3:57 PM To: Shawn Frank Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction Give the owner $2000 and walk away from the car. You will save thousands of dollars and many hundred of hours of your life in the long run. Ed Woods (with credit to my brother Harvey for figuring this out years ago; although I have rarely heeded this advice.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Frank" To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:23:25 AM Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! B Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fogbro1 at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From alfetta95 at optonline.net Wed Dec 12 16:00:53 2012 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:00:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7FC1D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7FC1D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <7F17EBF8-622F-4187-8FD5-B22A336E3C5D@optonline.net> Fix it and drive the damn thing! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2012, at 5:30 PM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > How did this list get taken over by such soulless, fun-sucking pragmatists??? > ;-) > > My vote - Get it running and drive it for a while before you spend any money > on it. Then fall in love with it and invest thousands of dollars and weekend > hours and either drive it on the street or turn it into a silly, impractical, > expensive race car. Just like the rest of us. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of fogbro1 at comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 3:57 PM > To: Shawn Frank > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > Give the owner $2000 and walk away from the car. You will save thousands of > dollars and many hundred of hours of your life in the long run. > > > > Ed Woods (with credit to my brother Harvey for figuring this out years ago; > although I have rarely heeded this advice.) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Shawn Frank" > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:23:25 AM > Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction > > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! B Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fogbro1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net From rikrock at live.com Wed Dec 12 16:22:46 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:22:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Amici, I'm Vice-President of the Pennsylvania Hillclimb Association (PHA), a PHA tech inspector, and chairman of the Pagoda Hillclimb and Duryea Hillclimb in Reading, PA, so I should be able to answer any questions about PHA events, but here's some of the basic stuff: Our hillclimbs are sanctioned by the SCCA. In order to compete, a driver must be an SCCA member or hold a competition license from one of the VMC groups or some other road-race sanctioning body. In that case you'll just need to purchase an SCCA weekend membership ($15) at registration. Entry fees range from $145-$160. It's a two-day event, Saturday and Sunday. We run rain or shine. Number of runs you get depends on many things. On the longest hill with a large (100 entries) turnout, you might only get three runs each day. On the shorter hills with not as many entries you could get 6-8 runs each day. Not a lot of seat time compared to road racing, but the intensity is extremely high! Our hillclimbs are held on paved public roads which are in good to excellent condition. Got a really low car? Not a problem. Safety requirements are very similar to road racing. Full nomex, SA 2005 or newer helmet, minimum 5-point harness, fire extinguisher or system, a hillclimb-legal rollbar or cage (depends on the car). If you're an SCCA racer, or a vintage racer, you and your car are most likely equipped with everything you need to pass tech. Autocross cars, maybe, maybe not. The roll bar needs to be above the top of your helmet, so most "street" roll bars are not adequate. Pagoda Hillclimb (1.35 miles long) will be June 22-23 and Duryea 2.2 miles long will be August 17-18. We would love to have several FOT drivers show up! Feel free to get in touch with me any time and I'll be happy to answer any questions. Rich Rock From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Dec 12 16:38:38 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:38:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7FC1D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7FC1D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: YES Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-12, at 5:30 PM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > How did this list get taken over by such soulless, fun-sucking pragmatists??? > ;-) > > My vote - Get it running and drive it for a while before you spend any money > on it. Then fall in love with it and invest thousands of dollars and weekend > hours and either drive it on the street or turn it into a silly, impractical, > expensive race car. Just like the rest of us. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of fogbro1 at comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 3:57 PM > To: Shawn Frank > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > Give the owner $2000 and walk away from the car. You will save thousands of > dollars and many hundred of hours of your life in the long run. > > > > Ed Woods (with credit to my brother Harvey for figuring this out years ago; > although I have rarely heeded this advice.) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Shawn Frank" > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:23:25 AM > Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction > > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! B Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fogbro1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed Dec 12 17:22:24 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:22:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Trans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50C91FC0.9060703@blacksburg.net> On 12/12/2012 10:58 AM, john hasty wrote: > Advice on Synchro Rings....TR4 close ratio gears, stock case....The last > ones I got from Quantumechanics lasted for almost one race weekend before > the shift into 4th. Started to "grind" Now after the 3rd. Race it's > starting to "grind" into 3rd. As well. What's the best choice and from > where? > Thanks to all..... > John, I bought my last set from BFE. Ken's are almost too good, in that I had to shave 2 just a tad so the gbx would engage. They've held up really well (admittedly they haven't yet been pushed hard). They're a bit spendier than the usual suspects, but considering the time/effort required to pull the gbx, I think they're a good deal. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 12 17:51:14 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:51:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4A Exhaust Manifold Message-ID: A M I C I A friend of mine is rebuilding the engine in his very nice street TR4A. He is in need of the stock exhaust manifold - that's four into two. Anyone have one or know of one for sale? Thanks From kaskas at cox.net Wed Dec 12 18:19:55 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:19:55 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I started out with hillclimbs in Colorado in the middle 50's then progressed to road racing. It just a natural progression and I highly recommend that to any that are thinking about racing some time in the future. it still gives me pleasure that when I was running the Competition Department I put the Penn. State Hillclimb Assoc on the list for support and provided them funds during my time there. Good place to start. It takes concentration and the ability to determine your own speed as you do not have anyone close to see if you are fast or slow. GREAT stuff. Never be beaten by equipment > From: rikrock at live.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:22:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > > Amici, > > > > > > I'm Vice-President of the Pennsylvania Hillclimb Association (PHA), a PHA tech > inspector, and chairman of the Pagoda Hillclimb and Duryea Hillclimb in > Reading, PA, so I should be able to answer any questions about PHA events, but > here's some of the basic stuff: > > Our hillclimbs are sanctioned by the SCCA. In order to compete, a driver must > be an SCCA member or hold a competition license from one of the VMC groups or > some other road-race sanctioning body. In that case you'll just need to > purchase an SCCA weekend membership ($15) at registration. > > Entry fees range from $145-$160. It's a two-day event, Saturday and Sunday. > We run rain or shine. Number of runs you get depends on many things. On the > longest hill with a large (100 entries) turnout, you might only get three runs > each day. On the shorter hills with not as many entries you could get 6-8 > runs each day. Not a lot of seat time compared to road racing, but the > intensity is extremely high! > > Our hillclimbs are held on paved public roads which are in good to excellent > condition. Got a really low car? Not a problem. > > Safety requirements are very similar to road racing. Full nomex, SA 2005 or > newer helmet, minimum 5-point harness, fire extinguisher or system, a > hillclimb-legal rollbar or cage (depends on the car). If you're an SCCA > racer, or a vintage racer, you and your car are most likely equipped with > everything you need to pass tech. Autocross cars, maybe, maybe not. The roll > bar needs to be above the top of your helmet, so most "street" roll bars are > not adequate. > > Pagoda Hillclimb (1.35 miles long) will be June 22-23 and Duryea 2.2 miles > long will be August 17-18. We would love to have several FOT drivers show up! > Feel free to get in touch with me any time and I'll be happy to answer any > questions. > > Rich Rock > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From jibjib at att.net Wed Dec 12 18:21:16 2012 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:21:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76C82B6D236948BDAB41AF8A74D6F139@EntCentPC> I own one. Get it running and drive it for a while, then come back and ask us. Remember this started out as a GM engine, so crossover parts are plentyful. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Shawn Frank Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:23 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Dec 12 18:55:20 2012 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:55:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction Message-ID: <10f7a.6eb81ef8.3dfa8f88@aol.com> Myself, I'd really like to have a TR8 so if the decisions get too difficult give me a shout;-)) In a message dated 12/12/2012 5:22:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jibjib at att.net writes: I own one. Get it running and drive it for a while, then come back and ask us. Remember this started out as a GM engine, so crossover parts are plentyful. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Shawn Frank Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:23 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 19:20:28 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:20:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <10f7a.6eb81ef8.3dfa8f88@aol.com> References: <10f7a.6eb81ef8.3dfa8f88@aol.com> Message-ID: <2E4B6EFC-95B2-415E-A073-4E50ACF5EBD5@yahoo.com> I would like to have one of every Triumph made, but my garage is only so big, and I am married. Ty Tyler Thompson l National Account Executive - Public Safety Sector esri | One International Court | Broomfield, CO 80021 Phone: 303.449-7779 ext. 8260, cell: 719.510-1649 | E-mail: tyler_thompson at esri.com Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Dec 12, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > Myself, I'd really like to have a TR8 so if the decisions get too difficult > give me a shout;-)) > > > In a message dated 12/12/2012 5:22:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > jibjib at att.net writes: > > I own one. Get it running and drive it for a while, then come back and > ask > us. Remember this started out as a GM engine, so crossover parts are > plentyful. > > Jack > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Shawn Frank > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:23 AM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction > > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't > start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From tr6driver at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 19:39:00 2012 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:39:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <2E4B6EFC-95B2-415E-A073-4E50ACF5EBD5@yahoo.com> References: <10f7a.6eb81ef8.3dfa8f88@aol.com> <2E4B6EFC-95B2-415E-A073-4E50ACF5EBD5@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1355366340.27538.YahooMailNeo@web121601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Ty, Boy, do I feel lucky (blessed) right now. Between myself and my wife, we own 8 1/6 (1/6 interest in a TR6 racecar) Triumphs and another British car, in addition to the 4 or so "regular" vehicles. And I still have to stop her every time she sees a Viper... She just read this over my shoulder and reminded me I "owe" her another car. No, she doesn't have a sister. Two brothers only. Smiling, Jamie P.S. We too have limited garage space...so she wants to sell the house and move into something with (her words) "a 12-car garage with living space attached." I came home today to find she had finished painting the bathroom and started on the kitchen, so she's really serious about selling this house. I am a lucky man! >________________________________ >From: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" >To: "Gt6steve at aol.com" >Cc: "FOT at autox.team.net" >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:20 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > >I would like to have one of every Triumph made, but my garage is only so big, >and I am married. > >Ty > >Tyler Thompson l National Account Executive - Public Safety Sector >esri | One International Court | Broomfield, CO 80021 >Phone: 303.449-7779 ext. 8260, cell: 719.510-1649 | >E-mail: tyler_thompson at esri.com > > >Sent from my iPad >(Please excuse any errors or typos) > >On Dec 12, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > >> Myself, I'd really like to have a TR8 so if the decisions get too difficult >> give me a shout;-)) >> >> >> In a message dated 12/12/2012 5:22:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> jibjib at att.net writes: >> >> I own one. Get it running and drive it for a while, then come back and >> ask >> us. Remember this started out as a GM engine, so crossover parts are >> plentyful. >> >> Jack >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Shawn Frank >> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:23 AM >> To: FOT at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction >> >> We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do >> with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't >> start >> and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? >> HELP! Shawn >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com/ >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com/ >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com/ > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 19:43:15 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:43:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355366340.27538.YahooMailNeo@web121601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <10f7a.6eb81ef8.3dfa8f88@aol.com> <2E4B6EFC-95B2-415E-A073-4E50ACF5EBD5@yahoo.com> <1355366340.27538.YahooMailNeo@web121601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: LMFAO Clone her and you will be a millionaire! BTW, my wife had to have the "Hemi" in her Jeep, so she has similar race loving qualities... Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Dec 12, 2012, at 7:39 PM, Jamie Palmer wrote: > Ty, > > Boy, do I feel lucky (blessed) right now. Between myself and my wife, we own 8 1/6 (1/6 interest in a TR6 racecar) Triumphs and another British car, in addition to the 4 or so "regular" vehicles. And I still have to stop her every time she sees a Viper... > > She just read this over my shoulder and reminded me I "owe" her another car. > > No, she doesn't have a sister. Two brothers only. > > Smiling, > > Jamie > > P.S. We too have limited garage space...so she wants to sell the house and move into something with (her words) "a 12-car garage with living space attached." I came home today to find she had finished painting the bathroom and started on the kitchen, so she's really serious about selling this house. I am a lucky man! > > From: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" > To: "Gt6steve at aol.com" > Cc: "FOT at autox.team.net" > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > I would like to have one of every Triumph made, but my garage is only so big, > and I am married. > > Ty > > Tyler Thompson l National Account Executive - Public Safety Sector > esri | One International Court | Broomfield, CO 80021 > Phone: 303.449-7779 ext. 8260, cell: 719.510-1649 | > E-mail: tyler_thompson at esri.com > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > > On Dec 12, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > > > Myself, I'd really like to have a TR8 so if the decisions get too difficult > > give me a shout;-)) > > > > > > In a message dated 12/12/2012 5:22:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > jibjib at att.net writes: > > > > I own one. Get it running and drive it for a while, then come back and > > ask > > us. Remember this started out as a GM engine, so crossover parts are > > plentyful. > > > > Jack > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of Shawn Frank > > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:23 AM > > To: FOT at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction > > > > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't > > start > > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > > HELP! Shawn > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com/ > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com/ > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com/ > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Thu Dec 13 06:13:04 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:13:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8B76EDC8-E315-4B66-8CE5-13CD3B50CF4B@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: We are a group of Triumph racers, we talk about race cars here. You opened the door, now you have to race it. :-) That being said... I have TR8 street car with all the right stuff done to it and holy crap... All that power on an 88 inch wheelbase with street tires will keep your attention. So, yeah, it's a real hoot. But unlocking the potential of a stock TR8 is real money and time... If you are starting with a stock example, take a long look at the specs from the factory. Then think of what it will cost to make it what you really want. ----- Original Message ----- > On Dec 12, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Shawn Frank wrote: > >> We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should >> do >> with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't > start >> and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? >> HELP! Shawn From tedtsimx at bright.net Thu Dec 13 06:54:50 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:54:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Trans In-Reply-To: <50C91FC0.9060703@blacksburg.net> References: <50C91FC0.9060703@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <50C9DE2A.5060507@bright.net> The quality of the synchro rings has not improved withthe current crop. For years the best solution was to take good OE used synchro rings and machine .010" off the face. this buries the ring further onto the "cone". The syhchro operates by the machined "ridges" gripping the cone and slowing down the gear. Machining the face gets you past the worn "ridges and offers a grip as is new. Ted On 12/12/2012 7:22 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > On 12/12/2012 10:58 AM, john hasty wrote: >> Advice on Synchro Rings....TR4 close ratio gears, stock case....The last >> ones I got from Quantumechanics lasted for almost one race weekend >> before >> the shift into 4th. Started to "grind" Now after the 3rd. Race it's >> starting to "grind" into 3rd. As well. What's the best choice and from >> where? >> Thanks to all..... > John, I bought my last set from BFE. Ken's are almost too good, in > that I had to shave 2 just a tad so the gbx would engage. They've held > up really well (admittedly they haven't yet been pushed hard). > They're a bit spendier than the usual suspects, but considering the > time/effort required to pull the gbx, I think they're a good deal. > > jim > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Dec 13 07:28:04 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 09:28:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355323775.66227.androidMobile@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355323775.66227.androidMobile@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for advice on TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. My vote: race car. The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy one and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to zero. Sad, ut true. That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to TR8 and performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Dec 13 10:17:07 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:17:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I for one don't give a hoot about re-sale price. I have bags of money and time in my TR4 and wouldn't recover but a fraction of it if I ever chose to sell it. I do it becau se I love the sport and I love the car and I love the continued developement. The rewards ( for me ) cannot be measured in dollars .B We are all on budgets otherwise this would be Friends of Ferrari or Friends of Aston Martin or some such thing. If you love the car and have a vision for it's future just go for it and don't listen to people that try to put a value on your car. just my .02. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "Shawn Frank" Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:28:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction Hi, There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for advice on TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. My vote: race car. The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy one and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to zero. Sad, ut true. That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to TR8 and B performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 13 10:29:22 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 09:29:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Forums Message-ID: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum on Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a link I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank you in advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the only forum I can find right now..Shawn From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Dec 13 10:47:07 2012 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:47:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More Message-ID: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> Mark Bradakis, I tried to direct Shawn to Scions of Lucas site, but didnt do a good job of it. Can you help him find the list to subscribe to these other lists? Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in vintage racing...time marches on. > Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum > on Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a > link I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank you > in advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the only > forum I can find right now..Shawn > _______________________________________________ > From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 11:07:01 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:07:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I will agree to that..a TR-4 can be just as exspensive...all in what you want. On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:17 PM, wrote: > I for one don't give a hoot about re-sale price. I have bags of money and > time > in my TR4 > > and wouldn't recover but a fraction of it if I ever chose to sell it. I do > it > becau se I love the > > sport and I love the car and I love the continued developement. > > The rewards ( for me ) cannot be measured in dollars .B We are all on > budgets > otherwise this > > would be Friends of Ferrari or Friends of Aston Martin or some such thing. > > If you love the car and have a vision for it's future just go for it and > don't > listen to people that > > try to put a value on your car. > > just my .02. > > Jim G. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: "Shawn Frank" > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:28:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > Hi, > > There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for advice on > TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. > > My vote: race car. > > The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy one > and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to > zero. Sad, ut true. > > That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to TR8 > and B performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space > for > rent > Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | > Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: > 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 11:15:06 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:15:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Forums In-Reply-To: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Try the Triumph Wedge Association forum for TR-7/8 may have some info for you On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Shawn Frank wrote: > Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum > on Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a > link I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank you > in advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the only > forum I can find right now..Shawn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From mark at bradakis.com Thu Dec 13 11:40:47 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:40:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Forums In-Reply-To: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50CA212F.2080709@bradakis.com> Shawn Frank wrote: > Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum on Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a link I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? The Team.Net email lists are listed at http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo The Team.Net forums are currently broken. I really need to get those working again! mjb. From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 13 16:16:37 2012 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:16:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Forums References: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1355440597.1346.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I don't think Mark has the Wedge list. Goggle Triumph Wedge Owners Association; you should find information on the Wedge mail list. ________________________________ From: Shawn Frank To: "FOT at autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:29 AM Subject: [Fot] Forums Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum on Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a link I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank you in advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the only forum I can find right now..Shawn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Dec 13 17:58:54 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:58:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Forums In-Reply-To: <1355440597.1346.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1355440597.1346.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005701cdd996$30c3ea00$924bbe00$@rogers.com> http://www.team.net/TR7/Mailing-List.html It is one of Mark's And very active...thanks Mark -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ernest Husmann Sent: December 13, 2012 6:17 PM To: Shawn Frank; FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Forums I don't think Mark has the Wedge list. Goggle Triumph Wedge Owners Association; you should find information on the Wedge mail list. ________________________________ From: Shawn Frank To: "FOT at autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:29 AM Subject: [Fot] Forums Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum on Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a link I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank you in advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the only forum I can find right now..Shawn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Dec 13 18:30:29 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 20:30:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] RON SHARP SCCA OFFICIAL TO University of Iowa Hospitals Message-ID: <8CFA7B1BC42A013-1C3C-6A74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> If you had any kind of long term relationship with SCCA you may know Ron Sharp as a long time racer and SCCA Official. He is leaving Florida for treatment of cancer in Iowa. I have emails with more detail, if you wish to know more. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From igofaster at att.net Thu Dec 13 22:27:46 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:27:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved in a business decision" ... heck, the amount of money most of us spend to try to make these cars do something they were never intended to do is not financially responsible... we do it because we love the marque, hence, emotion over rules sound financial strategy... Merry Christmas ya'll..... Bobby To: Robert M. Lang Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, December 13, 2012 11:17:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction I for one don't give a hoot about re-sale price. I have bags of money and time in my TR4 and wouldn't recover but a fraction of it if I ever chose to sell it. I do it becau se I love the sport and I love the car and I love the continued developement. The rewards ( for me ) cannot be measured in dollars .B We are all on budgets otherwise this would be Friends of Ferrari or Friends of Aston Martin or some such thing. If you love the car and have a vision for it's future just go for it and don't listen to people that try to put a value on your car. just my .02. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "Shawn Frank" Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:28:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction Hi, There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for advice on TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. My vote: race car. The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy one and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to zero. Sad, ut true. That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to TR8 and B performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From kaskas at cox.net Thu Dec 13 23:15:57 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 06:15:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: All I ever wanted was to go FAST or even FASTER than everyone else.. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:27:46 -0800 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved in a > business decision" ... heck, the amount of money most of us spend to try to make > these cars do something they were never intended to do is not financially > responsible... we do it because we love the marque, hence, emotion over rules > sound financial strategy... > Merry Christmas ya'll..... > > Bobby > To: Robert M. Lang > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, December 13, 2012 11:17:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > I for one don't give a hoot about re-sale price. I have bags of money and time > in my TR4 > > and wouldn't recover but a fraction of it if I ever chose to sell it. I do it > becau se I love the > > sport and I love the car and I love the continued developement. > > The rewards ( for me ) cannot be measured in dollars .B We are all on budgets > otherwise this > > would be Friends of Ferrari or Friends of Aston Martin or some such thing. > > If you love the car and have a vision for it's future just go for it and don't > listen to people that > > try to put a value on your car. > > just my .02. > > Jim G. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: "Shawn Frank" > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:28:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > Hi, > > There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for advice on > TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. > > My vote: race car. > > The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy one > and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to > zero. Sad, ut true. > > That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to TR8 > and B performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for > rent > Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | > Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: > 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From tjwakeman at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 05:41:16 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:41:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved in a > business decision" . And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. TeriAnn From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 06:12:25 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:12:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> Message-ID: Once you sit inside one you will have a totally different feel because it isn't anything like a 3,4,6 or a GT, to me ...really different and nice...modern.....can almost feel the speed and from what I hear (mine isn't running yet) they handle better than a TR-6. good luck with the car and Merry Christmas to all. On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 7:41 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get >> involved in a >> business decision" . >> > And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with passion > and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. > > My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on the > steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while and see > where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. > > > TeriAnn > > ______________________________**_________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Dec 14 06:13:18 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:13:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> Message-ID: <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the wheel of a well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. We spec decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are kept to a minimum, if any. You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me 4 cars that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell and a cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint job. Then do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and harness, and you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you could even drive the thing to the track! How cool would that be? Who's in??? Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in > vintage racing...time marches on. From clw2000 at msn.com Fri Dec 14 06:22:54 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:22:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com>, <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: Interesting idea. Better looking than Miatas for sure. Cheap too! But only one within 500 miles of me in SC on EBay or CL. Thanks, Chuck Watson Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:13:18 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] Wedges > > As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. > Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the wheel of a > well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. > > One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I > envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. We spec > decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good > spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are kept to a > minimum, if any. > > You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me 4 cars > that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell and a > cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint job. Then > do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and harness, and > you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you could even drive > the thing to the track! > > How cool would that be? > > Who's in??? > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > > > Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in > > vintage racing...time marches on. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri Dec 14 06:57:21 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:57:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1355493441.37569.YahooMailClassic@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I'm in! It'll give me something fun to do with my Pimento '75. -Ed- --- On Fri, 12/14/12, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com Subject: [Fot] Wedges To: FOT at autox.team.net Date: Friday, December 14, 2012, 7:13 AM As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the wheel of a well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. We spec decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are kept to a minimum, if any. You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me 4 cars that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell and a cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint job. Then do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and harness, and you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you could even drive the thing to the track! How cool would that be? Who's in??? Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in > vintage racing...time marches on. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From kkjjk at aol.com Fri Dec 14 07:37:43 2012 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:37:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com>, <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <8CFA81FB58C695A-878-A28B@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> Sorry to enter this discussion after seeing only a few comments............TR7/8s are "Like nobody else's car".............They are truly very cool...........I have a racing GT6 that I have never had out on the track. I live in Maryland. Is there anyone whom can give me some guidance on how I can get it on the track somewhere around here (Summit Point, etc)? I only have one seat in it and I have been told that I need to have an instructor in the car with me before they will let me out on my own. Is this true? I would rather not have to put another seat in it. Any help would be great! Thanks- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Charles WATSON To: yellow04 ; FOT List Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 8:23 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges Interesting idea. Better looking than Miatas for sure. Cheap too! But only one within 500 miles of me in SC on EBay or CL. Thanks, Chuck Watson Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:13:18 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] Wedges > > As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. > Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the wheel of a > well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. > > One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I > envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. We spec > decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good > spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are kept to a > minimum, if any. > > You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me 4 cars > that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell and a > cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint job. Then > do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and harness, and > you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you could even drive > the thing to the track! > > How cool would that be? > > Who's in??? > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > > > Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in > > vintage racing...time marches on. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 08:16:15 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:16:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <8CFA81FB58C695A-878-A28B@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <8CFA81FB58C695A-878-A28B@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Henry , I'm in as I have two coupes, have thought many times over and over wheather to develope one into a racer, and many camp fires with the "getto" crowd on just what you are talking about, are we sticking with the 7 engine , lets get it rolling or more planning, On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM, wrote: > Sorry to enter this discussion after seeing only a few > comments............TR7/8s are "Like nobody else's car".............They > are > truly very cool...........I have a racing GT6 that I have never had out on > the > track. I live in Maryland. Is there anyone whom can give me some > guidance on > how I can get it on the track somewhere around here (Summit Point, etc)? I > only have one seat in it and I have been told that I need to have an > instructor in the car with me before they will let me out on my own. Is > this > true? I would rather not have to put another seat in it. Any help would > be > great! Thanks- Jay De Pol > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles WATSON > To: yellow04 ; FOT List > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 8:23 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > > Interesting idea. Better looking than Miatas for sure. Cheap too! But > only > one within 500 miles of me in SC on EBay or CL. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers > Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > > > > > > > > > > > From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > To: FOT at autox.team.net > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:13:18 -0500 > > Subject: [Fot] Wedges > > > > As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. > > Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the wheel > of > a > > well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. > > > > One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I > > envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. We > spec > > decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good > > spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are kept > to a > > minimum, if any. > > > > You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me 4 > cars > > that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell and > a > > cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint job. > Then > > do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and harness, > and > > you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you could even > drive > > the thing to the track! > > > > How cool would that be? > > > > Who's in??? > > > > Henry > > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > > > > > Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in > > > vintage racing...time marches on. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Dec 14 08:33:00 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:33:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Wedges Message-ID: <6735.2b4274e3.3dfca0ac@aol.com> In a message dated 12/14/2012 9:16:26 AM Central Standard Time, rfdeanes at gmail.com writes: > Henry , I'm in as I have two coupes, have thought many times over and > over > wheather to develope one into a racer, and many camp fires with the > "getto" > crowd on just what you are talking about, are we sticking with the 7 > engine > , lets get it rolling or more planning, > I do not know if they are still active, but years ago there was an outfit in Garland, Texas (John's Cars?) that made a career out of putting V6s into TR7s, and claiming the result to be superior to the TR8. This was in the mid-1980s. I almost bought a 'conversion kit' (I had a TR7 fixed head coupe) at the time, but my attention wandered. Don't know if they are still around. Bill Dentinger From emanteno at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 08:42:38 2012 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:42:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <6735.2b4274e3.3dfca0ac@aol.com> References: <6735.2b4274e3.3dfca0ac@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:33 AM, wrote: I do not know if they are still active, but years ago there was an outfit > in Garland, Texas (John's Cars?) that made a career out of putting V6s into > TR7s, and claiming the result to be superior to the TR8. This was in the > mid-1980s. I almost bought a 'conversion kit' (I had a TR7 fixed head > coupe) > at the time, but my attention wandered. Don't know if they are still > around. > They are. http://www.johnscars.com/ From riverside at southslope.net Fri Dec 14 08:53:57 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:53:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <6735.2b4274e3.3dfca0ac@aol.com> References: <6735.2b4274e3.3dfca0ac@aol.com> Message-ID: <88A951F72C42455188D2EE93105DB267@rileyPC> One of the locals put a 3.8 and 5 speed from a Camaro in a TR7 convertible and it was a very nice car. not as much grunt as the TR8 Holly conversion we did but still a very nice ride and 30 MPG. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:33 AM To: rfdeanes at gmail.com ; kkjjk at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges In a message dated 12/14/2012 9:16:26 AM Central Standard Time, rfdeanes at gmail.com writes: > Henry , I'm in as I have two coupes, have thought many times over and > over > wheather to develope one into a racer, and many camp fires with the > "getto" > crowd on just what you are talking about, are we sticking with the 7 > engine > , lets get it rolling or more planning, > I do not know if they are still active, but years ago there was an outfit in Garland, Texas (John's Cars?) that made a career out of putting V6s into TR7s, and claiming the result to be superior to the TR8. This was in the mid-1980s. I almost bought a 'conversion kit' (I had a TR7 fixed head coupe) at the time, but my attention wandered. Don't know if they are still around. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2634/5457 - Release Date: 12/13/12 From doddk at mossmotors.com Fri Dec 14 09:04:14 2012 From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Kelvin Dodd) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:04:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, when there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a waste. I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and I realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked effectively! The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority of classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is not a Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a market niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html Kelvin Dodd 1980 TR8 1980 SD1 Other stuff ________________________________ From: Shawn Frank To: "FOT at autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:29 AM Subject: [Fot] Forums Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum on Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a link I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank you in advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the only forum I can find right now..Shawn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "Shawn Frank" Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:28:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction Hi, There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for advice on TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. My vote: race car. The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy one and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to zero. Sad, ut true. That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to TR8 and B performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. regards, rml Message: 6 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:41:16 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction Message-ID: <50CB1E6C.8030501 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved in a > business decision" . And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. TeriAnn From harmug at us.ibm.com Fri Dec 14 09:09:58 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:09:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 73, Issue 26 TR7 spec racer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nothing good can come from this. I followed your suggestion, Look at Craigslist for a wedge. Found a guy 10 minutes from me (Poughkeepsie, NY) selling 3 of them, one on the road, two needing work and another cars worth of parts, all for $1400. The catch is you need to take everything. Didn't go over well on the home front. CL link if someone wants to take a look http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/cto/3443095179.html The good from this, found a just listed TR8, 20 minutes form me, hoping to look at it Saturday. mike G. Michael Harmuth 4 spits and a GT6 From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Dec 14 09:17:55 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:17:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <8CFA81FB58C695A-878-A28B@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002b01cdda16$93747130$ba5d5390$@rogers.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh9QFFabp2g&lc=f3pYT468USF0IKld1aVk3LsG-btQ_b BNnO0mCWj128o&lch=email&feature=em-comment_received A video of a vintage TR7 that ran GT2 back in the day. I restored it and recently sold it to someone who intends to race it this coming year. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Deanes Sent: December 14, 2012 10:16 AM To: kkjjk at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges Henry , I'm in as I have two coupes, have thought many times over and over wheather to develope one into a racer, and many camp fires with the "getto" crowd on just what you are talking about, are we sticking with the 7 engine , lets get it rolling or more planning, On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM, wrote: > Sorry to enter this discussion after seeing only a few > comments............TR7/8s are "Like nobody else's > car".............They are truly very cool...........I have a racing > GT6 that I have never had out on the track. I live in Maryland. Is > there anyone whom can give me some guidance on how I can get it on the > track somewhere around here (Summit Point, etc)? I only have one seat > in it and I have been told that I need to have an instructor in the > car with me before they will let me out on my own. Is this true? I > would rather not have to put another seat in it. Any help would be > great! Thanks- Jay De Pol > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles WATSON > To: yellow04 ; FOT List > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 8:23 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > > Interesting idea. Better looking than Miatas for sure. Cheap too! > But only one within 500 miles of me in SC on EBay or CL. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers > Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > > > > > > > > > > > From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > To: FOT at autox.team.net > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:13:18 -0500 > > Subject: [Fot] Wedges > > > > As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. > > Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the > > wheel > of > a > > well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. > > > > One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I > > envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. > > We > spec > > decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good > > spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are > > kept > to a > > minimum, if any. > > > > You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me > > 4 > cars > > that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell > > and > a > > cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint job. > Then > > do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and > > harness, > and > > you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you could > > even > drive > > the thing to the track! > > > > How cool would that be? > > > > Who's in??? > > > > Henry > > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > > > > > Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our > > > future in vintage racing...time marches on. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri Dec 14 10:04:50 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:04:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Message-ID: <8A5B770EC20B47AC9206D67F4B912B43@hpd530> Hi All, If anyone really wants a TR7, I have one. '77, 5 speed, interior good, body decent, low compression on #4 cylinder. Make me a reasonable offer. (I can't get out of the darned thing! Tough getting old! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelvin Dodd" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:04 AM Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, > when > there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a > waste. > > I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and > I > realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked > effectively! > > The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority > of > classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. > > Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is > not a > Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a > market > niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the > heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. > > I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. > > > You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. > > http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html > > > > > > Kelvin Dodd > 1980 TR8 > 1980 SD1 > Other stuff > > > ________________________________ > From: Shawn Frank > To: "FOT at autox.team.net" > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:29 AM > Subject: [Fot] Forums > > Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum > on > Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a > link > I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank you in > advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the only forum > I > can find right now..Shawn _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com > > > > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: "Shawn Frank" > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:28:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > Hi, > > There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for advice on > TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. > > My vote: race car. > > The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy one > and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to > zero. Sad, ut true. > > That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to TR8 > and B performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. > > regards, > rml > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:41:16 -0700 > From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > Message-ID: <50CB1E6C.8030501 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get >> involved > in a >> business decision" . > And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with > passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. > > My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on > the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while > and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. > > > TeriAnn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 14 10:07:36 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:07:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Message-ID: <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Kelvin, is right, according to John Clancy's well done DVD histories on Triumphs. I think I remember seeing a MG 'trial badge' on a TR7 while watching his DVD on TR7/8s. That being said, they still are in our TRIUMPH FAMILY and I suspect we need to bring them into vintage racing. A 'spec' category such as Henry suggests seems like good place to start. Kudos to Shawn Frank for launching this thread. A couple of years ago, it might not have gone anywhere. Its time has come? Once again, I recommend the John Clancy series on TRIUMPH HISTORY. -----Original Message----- From: Kelvin Dodd To: 'fot at autox.team.net' Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 10:04 am Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, when there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a waste. I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and I realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked effectively! The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority of classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is not a Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a market niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html Kelvin Dodd 1980 TR8 1980 SD1 Other stuff ________________________________ From levilevi at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 10:52:15 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:52:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: <8A5B770EC20B47AC9206D67F4B912B43@hpd530> References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> <8A5B770EC20B47AC9206D67F4B912B43@hpd530> Message-ID: <522C793E-5D88-4C94-B21A-1169F2DF4683@comcast.net> And I have a BOP 215 V8 engine that could go in it or any of the wedges I'd entertain unreasonable offers just to move it into the mix. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Dec 14, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Bill Tobin wrote: > Hi All, > If anyone really wants a TR7, I have one. '77, 5 speed, interior > good, body decent, low compression on #4 cylinder. > Make me a reasonable offer. > (I can't get out of the darned thing! Tough getting old! > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelvin Dodd" > > To: > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:04 AM > Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > >> It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race >> car, when >> there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of >> a waste. >> >> I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to >> rain and I >> realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually >> worked >> effectively! >> >> The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the >> majority of >> classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great >> value. >> >> Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover >> SD1 is not a >> Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to >> fit a market >> niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without >> the >> heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. >> >> I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. >> >> >> You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. >> >> http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html >> >> >> >> >> >> Kelvin Dodd >> 1980 TR8 >> 1980 SD1 >> Other stuff >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Shawn Frank >> To: "FOT at autox.team.net" >> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:29 AM >> Subject: [Fot] Forums >> >> Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 >> forum on >> Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is >> there a link >> I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank >> you in >> advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the >> only forum I >> can find right now..Shawn >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> From: "Robert M. Lang" >> To: "Shawn Frank" >> Cc: FOT at autox.team.net >> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:28:04 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction >> >> Hi, >> >> There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for >> advice on >> TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. >> >> My vote: race car. >> >> The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy >> one >> and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to >> zero. Sad, ut true. >> >> That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to >> TR8 >> and B performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. >> >> regards, >> rml >> Message: 6 >> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:41:16 -0700 >> From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction >> Message-ID: <50CB1E6C.8030501 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get >>> involved >> in a >>> business decision" . >> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >> >> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand >> on >> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a >> while >> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >> >> >> TeriAnn >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Dec 14 11:01:58 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:01:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> References: , <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net>, <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: if you really want to see how a TR8 should go, search out "Tony Pond" on youtube from the early/mid 80's in the UK rally championship. The ulster and manx rally's. > To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:07:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > Kelvin, is right, according to John Clancy's well done DVD histories on > Triumphs. > > I think I remember seeing a MG 'trial badge' on a TR7 while watching his DVD > on TR7/8s. > > That being said, they still are in our TRIUMPH FAMILY and I suspect we need to > bring them into vintage racing. > > A 'spec' category such as Henry suggests seems like good place to start. > > Kudos to Shawn Frank for launching this thread. A couple of years ago, it > might not have gone anywhere. Its time has come? > > Once again, I recommend the John Clancy series on TRIUMPH HISTORY. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelvin Dodd > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 10:04 am > Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, when > there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a waste. > > I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and I > realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked > effectively! > > The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority of > classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. > > Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is not a > Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a market > niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the > heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. > > I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. > > > You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. > > http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html > > > > > > Kelvin Dodd > 1980 TR8 > 1980 SD1 > Other stuff > > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 14 11:07:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:07:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: References: , <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net>, <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> I was also highly entertained by what BUFFETT and his wife did on rallies Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: n197tr4 ; doddk ; fot Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:01 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] TR8 Direction if you really want to see how a TR8 should go, search out "Tony Pond" on youtube from the early/mid 80's in the UK rally championship. The ulster and manx rally's. > To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:07:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > Kelvin, is right, according to John Clancy's well done DVD histories on > Triumphs. > > I think I remember seeing a MG 'trial badge' on a TR7 while watching his DVD > on TR7/8s. > > That being said, they still are in our TRIUMPH FAMILY and I suspect we need to > bring them into vintage racing. > > A 'spec' category such as Henry suggests seems like good place to start. > > Kudos to Shawn Frank for launching this thread. A couple of years ago, it > might not have gone anywhere. Its time has come? > > Once again, I recommend the John Clancy series on TRIUMPH HISTORY. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelvin Dodd > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 10:04 am > Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, when > there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a waste. > > I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and I > realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked > effectively! > > The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority of > classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. > > Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is not a > Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a market > niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the > heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. > > I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. > > > You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. > > http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html > > > > > > Kelvin Dodd > 1980 TR8 > 1980 SD1 > Other stuff > > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From bownes at seiri.com Fri Dec 14 11:21:38 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:21:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: John Buffham...awesome driver in the TR7-V8 and the Audi Quattro Coupe. I'm still looking for a BOP/Rover V8 for the formula car project. I've got the chassis, intake manifold and camshaft so far... :) Bob On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I was also highly entertained by what BUFFETT and his wife did on rallies > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony and Annie Garmey > To: n197tr4 ; doddk ; fot > > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:01 pm > Subject: RE: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > if you really want to see how a TR8 should go, search out "Tony Pond" on > youtube from the early/mid 80's in the UK rally championship. The ulster > and > manx rally's. > > > > > > > To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net > > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:07:36 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > > Kelvin, is right, according to John Clancy's well done DVD histories on > > Triumphs. > > > > I think I remember seeing a MG 'trial badge' on a TR7 while watching his > DVD > > on TR7/8s. > > > > That being said, they still are in our TRIUMPH FAMILY and I suspect we > need > to > > bring them into vintage racing. > > > > A 'spec' category such as Henry suggests seems like good place to start. > > > > Kudos to Shawn Frank for launching this thread. A couple of years ago, > it > > might not have gone anywhere. Its time has come? > > > > Once again, I recommend the John Clancy series on TRIUMPH HISTORY. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kelvin Dodd > > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 10:04 am > > Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > > > > It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, > when > > there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a > waste. > > > > I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain > and > I > > realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually > worked > > effectively! > > > > The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority > of > > classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. > > > > Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is > not > a > > Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a > market > > niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the > > heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. > > > > I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. > > > > > > You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. > > > > http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Kelvin Dodd > > 1980 TR8 > > 1980 SD1 > > Other stuff > > > > > > ________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 14 11:25:06 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:25:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFA83F790F2037-1C3C-B1D3@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> senior moment ...yes, BUFFUM no Margaritaville here. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: Joe Alexander Cc: horizonracing ; doddk ; fot Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:21 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction John Buffham...awesome driver in the TR7-V8 and the Audi Quattro Coupe. I'm still looking for a BOP/Rover V8 for the formula car project. I've got the chassis, intake manifold and camshaft so far... :) Bob On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: I was also highly entertained by what BUFFETT and his wife did on rallies Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: n197tr4 ; doddk ; fot Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:01 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] TR8 Direction if you really want to see how a TR8 should go, search out "Tony Pond" on youtube from the early/mid 80's in the UK rally championship. The ulster and manx rally's. > To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:07:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > Kelvin, is right, according to John Clancy's well done DVD histories on > Triumphs. > > I think I remember seeing a MG 'trial badge' on a TR7 while watching his DVD > on TR7/8s. > > That being said, they still are in our TRIUMPH FAMILY and I suspect we need to > bring them into vintage racing. > > A 'spec' category such as Henry suggests seems like good place to start. > > Kudos to Shawn Frank for launching this thread. A couple of years ago, it > might not have gone anywhere. Its time has come? > > Once again, I recommend the John Clancy series on TRIUMPH HISTORY. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelvin Dodd > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 10:04 am > Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, when > there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a waste. > > I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and I > realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked > effectively! > > The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority of > classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. > > Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is not a > Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a market > niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the > heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. > > I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. > > > You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. > > http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html > > > > > > Kelvin Dodd > 1980 TR8 > 1980 SD1 > Other stuff > > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From doddk at mossmotors.com Fri Dec 14 11:29:34 2012 From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Kelvin Dodd) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:29:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> References: , <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net>, <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A517@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> This is one of John Buffum's ex works TR7s that was being rallied in New Mexico in 1984. It had been converted to a V8 by the owner. http://s460.photobucket.com/albums/qq327/Kelvin13/Stuff/?action=view¤t= Oct8413.jpg My mediocre claim to automotive fame was to crash about 1 mile past where John Buffum's Audi had broken down during the 1981 Centennial National Pro Rally. http://s460.photobucket.com/albums/qq327/Kelvin13/Stuff/?action=view¤t= Sept81.jpg Kelvin Dodd ________________________________________ From: Joe Alexander [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 10:08 AM To: horizonracing at msn.com; Kelvin Dodd; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction I was also highly entertained by what BUFFETT and his wife did on rallies Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: n197tr4 ; doddk ; fot Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:01 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] TR8 Direction if you really want to see how a TR8 should go, search out "Tony Pond" on youtube from the early/mid 80's in the UK rally championship. The ulster and manx rally's. > To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:07:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > Kelvin, is right, according to John Clancy's well done DVD histories on > Triumphs. > > I think I remember seeing a MG 'trial badge' on a TR7 while watching his DVD > on TR7/8s. > > That being said, they still are in our TRIUMPH FAMILY and I suspect we need to > bring them into vintage racing. > > A 'spec' category such as Henry suggests seems like good place to start. > > Kudos to Shawn Frank for launching this thread. A couple of years ago, it > might not have gone anywhere. Its time has come? > > Once again, I recommend the John Clancy series on TRIUMPH HISTORY. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelvin Dodd > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 10:04 am > Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, when > there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a waste. > > I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and I > realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked > effectively! > > The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority of > classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. > > Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is not a > Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a market > niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the > heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. > > I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. > > > You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. > > http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html > > > > > > Kelvin Dodd > 1980 TR8 > 1980 SD1 > Other stuff > > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From tarch at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 14 11:40:12 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:40:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> References: , <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net>, <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <006601cdda2a$73e63240$5bb296c0$@net> I trying to catch up on this thread, I stumbled onto: DC Shoes: Ken Block's Gymkhana Five Google it. It's staggering! Richard Taylor From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 14 11:41:05 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:41:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A517@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> References: , <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net>, <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A517@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Message-ID: <8CFA841B58DCAEC-1C3C-B581@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Kelvin, it sure looks like you, only much younger.....thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Kelvin Dodd To: 'Joe Alexander' ; 'horizonracing at msn.com' ; 'fot at autox.team.net' Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:29 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] TR8 Direction This is one of John Buffum's ex works TR7s that was being rallied in New Mexico in 1984. It had been converted to a V8 by the owner. http://s460.photobucket.com/albums/qq327/Kelvin13/Stuff/?action=view¤t= Oct8413.jpg My mediocre claim to automotive fame was to crash about 1 mile past where John Buffum's Audi had broken down during the 1981 Centennial National Pro Rally. http://s460.photobucket.com/albums/qq327/Kelvin13/Stuff/?action=view¤t= Sept81.jpg Kelvin Dodd ________________________________________ From: Joe Alexander [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 10:08 AM To: horizonracing at msn.com; Kelvin Dodd; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction I was also highly entertained by what BUFFETT and his wife did on rallies Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: n197tr4 ; doddk ; fot Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:01 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] TR8 Direction if you really want to see how a TR8 should go, search out "Tony Pond" on youtube from the early/mid 80's in the UK rally championship. The ulster and manx rally's. > To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:07:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > Kelvin, is right, according to John Clancy's well done DVD histories on > Triumphs. > > I think I remember seeing a MG 'trial badge' on a TR7 while watching his DVD > on TR7/8s. > > That being said, they still are in our TRIUMPH FAMILY and I suspect we need to > bring them into vintage racing. > > A 'spec' category such as Henry suggests seems like good place to start. > > Kudos to Shawn Frank for launching this thread. A couple of years ago, it > might not have gone anywhere. Its time has come? > > Once again, I recommend the John Clancy series on TRIUMPH HISTORY. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelvin Dodd > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 10:04 am > Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, when > there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a waste. > > I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and I > realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked > effectively! > > The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority of > classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. > > Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is not a > Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a market > niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the > heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. > > I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. > > > You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. > > http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html > > > > > > Kelvin Dodd > 1980 TR8 > 1980 SD1 > Other stuff > > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From jason at multivintage.com Fri Dec 14 12:32:19 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:32:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <8CFA81FB58C695A-878-A28B@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <8CFA81FB58C695A-878-A28B@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 8:37 AM, wrote: > Sorry to enter this discussion after seeing only a few > comments............TR7/8s are "Like nobody else's car".............They > are > truly very cool...........I have a racing GT6 that I have never had out on > the > track. I live in Maryland. Is there anyone whom can give me some > guidance on > how I can get it on the track somewhere around here (Summit Point, etc)? I > only have one seat in it and I have been told that I need to have an > instructor in the car with me before they will let me out on my own. Is > this > true? I would rather not have to put another seat in it. Any help would > be > great! Thanks- Jay De Pol > Hello Jay De Pol... > Interesting post. I'm afraid your GT6 question will get lost in this Wedge discussion. It would be best if you started a new thread about your racing GT6... please Tell a bit more about your GT6 race car. (When was it built, for what sanctioning body, what has been modified for racing and to what extent...etc.) You have several options of places to run it, but my guess is there will be more things to consider than whether or not you need to have an extra seat in the car... Which, for the record you won't have to have in place for any nationally recognized Drivers school. With more info, several of us will be happy to point you in the right direction. It depends on what you have there and what the end goal is Thanks. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From tedtsimx at bright.net Fri Dec 14 14:27:37 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:27:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50CB99C9.8030603@bright.net> Shawn, thanks for starting this discussion. We campaigned some of the most successful Wedge cars in the USA. Competing in SCCA, our TR8 won many SCCA Nationals, always picked to win the SCCA Run-off's (it didn't, but my fault, not car's fault - details if anyone wants them). Held multiple track records and very successful in the Playboy and Escort Endurance series, often beating factory backed cars from Ford, Chrysler, GM, Nissan, Mitsubishi and others. Along with the TR8, we also campaigned a TR7 in the Endurance series. While not as fast as the V8, the TR7 held its own in class due to excellent handling and incredibly good fuel mileage. We developed many of the performance parts for these cars including brake upgrades, sway bars, springs, strut tower braces, headers and more. Coupes are far superior to roadsters, both it terms of structural integrity and top speed. Side by side testing at Road Atlanta showed several hundred rpm greater speed (both cars had same trans and diff gears). This was on the original Road Atlanta back straight before they turned it into the current"neutered" version (read this no dip at end of straight) Remember if it is a roadster, it has to race with top down. We also supplied data to Edlebrock when they designed the 4V intake manifold for this engine. Our normal street V8 in 3.5L form is 250hp. Over 320 hp for the larger displacement 4.0/4.6L engines. Rust issues at the strut tower to inner fender well junction and where the rear lower trailing arms attach to the sheet metal are the biggest problems. Patching a rusted fender is not a big deal. Remember this is a uni-body car so things are different from racing a car with a frame. Rover/TR8 engine is far superior to it's Buick ancestor. We normally have 30 - 40 V8 engines in stock. HP figures for TR7 are 130 - 40 with no major "engine life threatening mods. Yes, John Clancy has a good DVD on the car - "Code name Bullet". And all his videos are still on sale for $21 w/shipping through the first of the year. Let's hear it for the "flying doorstops". Ted On 12/12/2012 8:23 AM, Shawn Frank wrote: > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx at bright.net > > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Dec 14 14:41:19 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:41:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Forums In-Reply-To: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, Not to beat a dead horse, but there's a "wedge" mail list that is run on a server at MIT in the Lab for Computer Science, aka LCS. The list administration is automated, it's a "majordomo" for the computer freeX out there. If you seen a message to: majordomo at mercury.lcs.mit.edu with the line: subscribe in the message body, you should get a reply indicating that you're on the list. I have no idea if this list is connected to anything on the autox.team.net server or not, others will have to chime in on that one. But there's a slew of really dedicated Wedge Triumph folks on that list... and the list is fairly active. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Fri Dec 14 14:53:25 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:53:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> Brilliant... Post of the year. Ed Dunn GT6 Spitfire Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:39 AM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" wrote: > On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved in a >> business decision" . > And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with > passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. > > My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on > the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while > and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. > > > TeriAnn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 14 15:13:54 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:13:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction Message-ID: <1355523234.54889.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I will have to get this thing out on track then. Thanks everyone, and glad to spark great conversation. I would love to find out more about a TR7/TR8 type of class. I am more of a Spitfire/TR6 type of guy, but have recently driven a TR4 and loved it. We have a TR4A that will be finished soon for Drive Away Cancer Iowa. I don't think we will be racing that, but I definitely plan to try out the TR8 and know I will be auto crossing my Spitfire. There aren't but a couple vintage cars that auto cross around here. I hope to spark more interest in the vintage auto crossing. Maybe if I bring 3 cars to the auto crosses, others will bring more. I feel all alone here in Des Moines...Shawn From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Dec 14 15:48:03 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:48:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> Message-ID: This confirms what I have suspected for some time. GT6 folks march to a different drum than the rest of us! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Brilliant... Post of the year. > > Ed Dunn > GT6 > Spitfire > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:39 AM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" > wrote: > >> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved > in a >>> business decision" . >> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >> >> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on >> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while >> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >> >> >> TeriAnn >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jason at multivintage.com Fri Dec 14 15:55:44 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 22:55:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> Message-ID: You're kind of right.. Same drum really though....Our beat is just a little faster. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:48:03 To: Edward Dunn Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction This confirms what I have suspected for some time. GT6 folks march to a different drum than the rest of us! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Brilliant... Post of the year. > > Ed Dunn > GT6 > Spitfire > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:39 AM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" > wrote: > >> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved > in a >>> business decision" . >> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >> >> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on >> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while >> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >> >> >> TeriAnn >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Dec 14 16:40:01 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:40:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1174875373-1355525746-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1012026896-@b26.c3.bise6.blackberry> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> <1174875373-1355525746-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1012026896-@b26.c3.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: TouchC) chez Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2012, at 5:55 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > You're kind of right.. Same drum really though....Our beat is just a little faster. > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hasty > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:48:03 > To: Edward Dunn > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > This confirms what I have suspected for some time. GT6 folks march to a > different drum than the rest of us! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Edward Dunn > wrote: > >> Brilliant... Post of the year. >> >> Ed Dunn >> GT6 >> Spitfire >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:39 AM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" >> wrote: >> >>> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>>> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get > involved >> in a >>>> business decision" . >>> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >>> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >>> >>> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on >>> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while >>> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >>> >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From dos_gusanos at msn.com Fri Dec 14 16:48:49 2012 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:48:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> Message-ID: That's how I got to the point of owning eight sportscars! > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:41:16 -0700 > From: tjwakeman at gmail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved in a > > business decision" . > And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with > passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. > > My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on > the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while > and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. > > > TeriAnn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com From dos_gusanos at msn.com Fri Dec 14 16:59:37 2012 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:59:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, , <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com>, Message-ID: We drove the TR6 and the TR7 through Colorado and the TR6 took twice the Fuel at every fill up compared to the TR7. Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM From jerrybarr at charter.net Fri Dec 14 17:01:54 2012 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:01:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <20121214225710.D9A4C40EB9@autox.team.net> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> <20121214225710.D9A4C40EB9@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <75845865-46C5-45E6-8A0D-74B8D0273727@charter.net> I think GT6 people like the challenge of making a difficult car go fast Jerry Barr #59 Red GT6 On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:55 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > You're kind of right.. Same drum really though....Our beat is just a little faster. > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hasty > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:48:03 > To: Edward Dunn > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > This confirms what I have suspected for some time. GT6 folks march to a > different drum than the rest of us! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Edward Dunn > wrote: > >> Brilliant... Post of the year. >> >> Ed Dunn >> GT6 >> Spitfire >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:39 AM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" >> wrote: >> >>> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>>> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get > involved >> in a >>>> business decision" . >>> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >>> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >>> >>> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on >>> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while >>> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >>> >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From dos_gusanos at msn.com Fri Dec 14 17:01:57 2012 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:01:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, , , <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , , <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com>, , , Message-ID: Somebody come and get the two TR7's I have in my yard. One Coupe and a roadster, no titles so I'll have to cut 'em up to get rid of them. Cheers, Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM From budscars at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 17:05:32 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:05:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45694CDC8C7842DEA71A1E5927CF34C5@Bud> Good old TR8 story... Showroom stock race at Riverside Dave Vanek won the race in his TR8...they were claiming races then to try to keep it honest and cheap.....A competitor could buy any car for 500.00 over cost of car before roll cage, etc.... Someone made a claim on Vanek's TR8....He refused to sell the car, and after lots of arguing he called the police and said the guy was trying to steal his car.. I think that was the end of the claiming races.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Morrison" To: ; "fot" Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > That's how I got to the point of owning eight sportscars! > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:41:16 -0700 >> From: tjwakeman at gmail.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction >> >> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> > I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get >> > involved > in a >> > business decision" . >> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >> >> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on >> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while >> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >> >> >> TeriAnn >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From kkjjk at aol.com Fri Dec 14 17:23:48 2012 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 19:23:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <75845865-46C5-45E6-8A0D-74B8D0273727@charter.net> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> <20121214225710.D9A4C40EB9@autox.team.net> <75845865-46C5-45E6-8A0D-74B8D0273727@charter.net> Message-ID: <8CFA87196281B68-878-14EF2@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> Someone once told me that a GT6 is a bad race car...............I replied that that is the challenge...........Kind of like when my algebra 2 teacher in high scholl told me about when he went flying with a friend in a 172 and tried to pull off a maneuver that was just a bit out of the envelope...........He said that he wasn't interested in flying that way, as he was an F-4 guy in the Air Force many years prior..........I repeated that story to my dad (a civilian trained AA Captain for 30 years, as well as a Bonanza owner, and whom was an instructor in the Air Force in T-6s)..........His response was classic, and forever ingrained in my brain: "Ah, what the guy does not understand........It's the art of working within the limits of the airplane is what makes the pilot truly great"..............Just ask Bob Hoover, they only guy I know that may be a better pilot than my dad...............! -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Barr To: jason Cc: fot at autox.team.net friends Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:02 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction I think GT6 people like the challenge of making a difficult car go fast Jerry Barr #59 Red GT6 On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:55 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > You're kind of right.. Same drum really though....Our beat is just a little faster. > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hasty > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:48:03 > To: Edward Dunn > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > This confirms what I have suspected for some time. GT6 folks march to a > different drum than the rest of us! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Edward Dunn > wrote: > >> Brilliant... Post of the year. >> >> Ed Dunn >> GT6 >> Spitfire >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:39 AM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" >> wrote: >> >>> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>>> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get > involved >> in a >>>> business decision" . >>> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >>> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >>> >>> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on >>> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while >>> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >>> >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 14 17:34:38 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:34:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <8CFA87196281B68-878-14EF2@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> <20121214225710.D9A4C40EB9@autox.team.net> <75845865-46C5-45E6-8A0D-74B8D0273727@charter.net> <8CFA87196281B68-878-14EF2@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1355531678.61282.YahooMailNeo@web112503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I gotta say, being new to this group, I am thoroughly impressed by you all. What a great group of guys with all kinds of knowledge. Thank you for letting me participate in the Friends of Triumph. I am honored. A little work on the Spitfire, and waiting out the Iowa winter and I will be auto crossing it while building my Spitfire Race Car and also enjoying the TR8 as well. This year will be epic! I can't wait! Thanks again guys! Hope to see you in person some time! Shawn ________________________________ From: "kkjjk at aol.com" To: jerrybarr at charter.net; jason at multivintage.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction Someone once told me that a GT6 is a bad race car...............I replied that that is the challenge...........Kind of like when my algebra 2 teacher in high scholl told me about when he went flying with a friend in a 172 and tried to pull off a maneuver that was just a bit out of the envelope...........He said that he wasn't interested in flying that way, as he was an F-4 guy in the Air Force many years prior..........I repeated that story to my dad (a civilian trained AA Captain for 30 years, as well as a Bonanza owner, and whom was an instructor in the Air Force in T-6s)..........His response was classic, and forever ingrained in my brain: "Ah, what the guy does not understand........It's the art of working within the limits of the airplane is what makes the pilot truly great"..............Just ask Bob Hoover, they only guy I know that may be a better pilot than my dad...............! -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Barr To: jason Cc: fot at autox.team.net friends Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:02 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction I think GT6 people like the challenge of making a difficult car go fast Jerry Barr #59 Red GT6 On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:55 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > You're kind of right.. Same drum really though....Our beat is just a little faster. > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hasty > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:48:03 > To: Edward Dunn > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > This confirms what I have suspected for some time. GT6 folks march to a > different drum than the rest of us! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Edward Dunn > wrote: > >> Brilliant... Post of the year. >> >> Ed Dunn >> GT6 >> Spitfire >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:39 AM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" >> wrote: >> >>> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>>> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get > involved >> in a >>>> business decision" . >>> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >>> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >>> >>> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on >>> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while >>> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >>> >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/my71spit13 at yahoo.com From mark at bradakis.com Fri Dec 14 18:29:07 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:29:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, , , <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , , <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com>, , , Message-ID: <50CBD263.5090205@bradakis.com> Henry Morrison wrote: > Somebody come and get the two TR7's I have in my yard. One Coupe and a > roadster, no titles so I'll have to cut 'em up to get rid of them. I wish! I need some parts to get the one in my backyard running again. mjb. From hakhutch at roadrunner.com Fri Dec 14 19:01:07 2012 From: hakhutch at roadrunner.com (Tim Hutchisen) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:01:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: OK Henry, Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The TR7 spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, so why not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's of the Triumph world. No respect! Tim Hutchisen Norway, ME ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 8:13 AM Subject: [Fot] Wedges > As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. > Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the wheel of > a well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. > > One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I > envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. We > spec decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good > spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are kept to > a minimum, if any. > > You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me 4 > cars that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell > and a cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint > job. Then do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and > harness, and you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you > could even drive the thing to the track! > > How cool would that be? > > Who's in??? > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > >> Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in >> vintage racing...time marches on. From budscars at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 18:53:13 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:53:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Wedges References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com><3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1F8D4600633E4EAB809CB325DDE474B6@Bud> Remember Gang...supply and demand...Bugeye Sprites were crushed because they were not worth 150.00...Alfa Guiliettas too...and...v-12 Ferraris...No one wanted an old Ferrari because they were too expensive to fix or maintain..in 1987 a 250 GTE was selling for 2 thousand bucks..In 1990 they were 100,000.00...and look at what's happening with the semi-muscle cars now..! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hutchisen" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > OK Henry, > Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The TR7 > spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, so why > not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's of the > Triumph world. No respect! > Tim Hutchisen > Norway, ME > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 8:13 AM > Subject: [Fot] Wedges > > >> As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. >> Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the wheel >> of a well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. >> >> One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I >> envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. We >> spec decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good >> spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are kept to >> a minimum, if any. >> >> You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me 4 >> cars that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell >> and a cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint >> job. Then do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and >> harness, and you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you >> could even drive the thing to the track! >> >> How cool would that be? >> >> Who's in??? >> >> Henry >> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More >> >>> Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in >>> vintage racing...time marches on. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Dec 14 20:46:21 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:46:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <8CFA5D7A87D09C2-A94-9777@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> <1990299364-1355244053-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1196878571-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CFA5D7A87D09C2-A94-9777@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001cdda76$bfca3a70$3f5eaf50$@com> Joe, if you need help setting up or with the paddock the day before, let me know. I'm usually available. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 10:57 AM To: jason at multivintage.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS What Jason said.....exactly. Except the showers are almost first class KOHLER. ALSO, the more information we have on entries and attendees, the easier it will be to ask for PADDOCK SPACE to contain us all. I am particularly interested in the layout of the paddock as that is where we spend most of our time. Jason, I plan to go in a day early to garner space in the paddock. Want to help? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 15 06:16:07 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 08:16:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1fd34.419073f.3df9f76a@aol.com> References: <1fd34.419073f.3df9f76a@aol.com> Message-ID: <002a01cddac6$586b28d0$09417a70$@sbcglobal.net> If anyone is interested, I have a photo of the Buick engine on a stand taken at the GM Heritage Center in Sterling Heights, Michigan. I sort of keep looking for a TR8 as there is a family connection to the engine. I need to get rid of the Stag before I can even think about bringing home another car. There is one near me for sale, but I just don't have the space for one at this time. Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:06 AM To: vangoughv at hotmail.com; my71spit13 at yahoo.com Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction In a message dated 12/12/2012 8:46:14 AM Central Standard Time, vangoughv at hotmail.com writes: > Could it be a "street able track day car"? > You'd get more seat time and pleasure for your money and leave a door open > to > further convert to full race later. It would make an excellent race car > for sure. > More than a few people think that aluminum engine is one of the best engines ever built. We had one in a Buick mid-sized convertible, and it was a great little car. Pound for pound...it sure had a lot of power. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 15 12:44:42 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:44:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Devin Message-ID: <000c01cddafc$a1980240$e4c806c0$@sbcglobal.net> I think that there were a couple of Devin owners on this list, if so, I have a friend that recently purchased a '59 Devin D Roadster. It was built by Devin, and has a Porsche motor. He has some questions about parts and would like to get in touch with anyone who can help him. Thanks, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From budscars at comcast.net Sat Dec 15 14:14:15 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:14:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Devin References: <000c01cddafc$a1980240$e4c806c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <29C18E168D1D43DF8DC895CAD4B3BF7D@Bud> Mark Balestra in San Jopse, Ca. might be able to help you out..he has a Devin SS mark at pearsonauto.com Tell him Racer Bud sent you. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Mitchell" To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Devin >I think that there were a couple of Devin owners on this list, if so, I >have > a friend > that recently purchased a '59 Devin D Roadster. It was built by Devin, and > has a > Porsche motor. He has some questions about parts and would like to get in > touch > with anyone who can help him. > > Thanks, > > Doug > > -- > Doug Mitchell > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Sat Dec 15 14:18:24 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:18:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Devin References: <000c01cddafc$a1980240$e4c806c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <5DD2D227C3E54042BA63D69D2435D068@Bud> Also Bill Hart has a Devin TR.. contact Tony Garmey at horizonracing at msn.com RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Mitchell" To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Devin >I think that there were a couple of Devin owners on this list, if so, I >have > a friend > that recently purchased a '59 Devin D Roadster. It was built by Devin, and > has a > Porsche motor. He has some questions about parts and would like to get in > touch > with anyone who can help him. > > Thanks, > > Doug > > -- > Doug Mitchell > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From jerrybarr at charter.net Wed Dec 12 16:00:31 2012 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:00:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7FC1D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7FC1D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <5E919245-CED4-4AC5-A34C-059240680377@charter.net> You know the Miata is a better car and much easier to make it go fast. If I didn't have so many projects I would buy the TR8 to save you from making a huge mistake. On Dec 12, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: > How did this list get taken over by such soulless, fun-sucking pragmatists??? > ;-) > > My vote - Get it running and drive it for a while before you spend any money > on it. Then fall in love with it and invest thousands of dollars and weekend > hours and either drive it on the street or turn it into a silly, impractical, > expensive race car. Just like the rest of us. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of fogbro1 at comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 3:57 PM > To: Shawn Frank > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > Give the owner $2000 and walk away from the car. You will save thousands of > dollars and many hundred of hours of your life in the long run. > > > > Ed Woods (with credit to my brother Harvey for figuring this out years ago; > although I have rarely heeded this advice.) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Shawn Frank" > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:23:25 AM > Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction > > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! B Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fogbro1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Dec 13 15:46:11 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:46:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Another Sunday ride in Khartu Message-ID: Hi, I'm posting this just to keep the juices going on the off-season. http://youtu.be/IECKMspI180 It's an in-car autocross video from a New England Region autocross at Devens, MA. Enjoy! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Dec 14 08:25:58 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:25:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com><3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local><8CFA81FB58C695A-878-A28B@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <80F1CD5CEFB14276A368F7A398867452@gdhs.local> Come on Robert, 3 race cars? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Deanes Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 10:16 AM To: kkjjk at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges Henry , I'm in as I have two coupes, have thought many times over and over wheather to develope one into a racer, and many camp fires with the "getto" crowd on just what you are talking about, are we sticking with the 7 engine , lets get it rolling or more planning, On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM, wrote: > Sorry to enter this discussion after seeing only a few > comments............TR7/8s are "Like nobody else's > car".............They are truly very cool...........I have a racing > GT6 that I have never had out on the track. I live in Maryland. Is > there anyone whom can give me some guidance on how I can get it on the > track somewhere around here (Summit Point, etc)? I only have one seat > in it and I have been told that I need to have an instructor in the > car with me before they will let me out on my own. Is this true? I > would rather not have to put another seat in it. Any help would be > great! Thanks- Jay De Pol > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles WATSON > To: yellow04 ; FOT List > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 8:23 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > > Interesting idea. Better looking than Miatas for sure. Cheap too! > But only one within 500 miles of me in SC on EBay or CL. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers > Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > > > > > > > > > > > From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > To: FOT at autox.team.net > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:13:18 -0500 > > Subject: [Fot] Wedges > > > > As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. > > Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the > > wheel > of > a > > well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. > > > > One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I > > envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. > > We > spec > > decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good > > spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are > > kept > to a > > minimum, if any. > > > > You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me > > 4 > cars > > that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell > > and > a > > cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint job. > Then > > do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and > > harness, > and > > you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you could > > even > drive > > the thing to the track! > > > > How cool would that be? > > > > Who's in??? > > > > Henry > > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > > > > > Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our > > > future in vintage racing...time marches on. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Dec 15 19:45:20 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:45:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Another Sunday ride in Khartu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFA94E85AA6DD1-16A8-14B69@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> Bob, Brilliant run ! But, today the last of sunny days for awhile ( winter storms on their way ) here in New England I couldn't resist the notion to fire up the race car take it for a spin around the neighborhood. F1 season is over and race season has been over for awhile here in Massachusetts, sept for some Rally crossing. Driving around the neighborhood brought back memories of the past season, as breif as it may of been for me and my Spit. My wish is for one more chance to drive my car around the block before the SALT and snow. Hopefully the coming storms will just drop rain on us. May all your days be sunny, Bob T '64 Spit GT -----Original Message----- From: Robert M. Lang To: triumphs Sent: Sat, Dec 15, 2012 9:02 pm Subject: [Fot] Another Sunday ride in Khartu Hi, I'm posting this just to keep the juices going on the off-season. http://youtu.be/IECKMspI180 It's an in-car autocross video from a New England Region autocross at evens, MA. Enjoy! ml -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent ormer NER Solo Chair | oice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Mon Dec 17 02:21:14 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:21:14 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Devin In-Reply-To: <5DD2D227C3E54042BA63D69D2435D068@Bud> References: <000c01cddafc$a1980240$e4c806c0$@sbcglobal.net> <5DD2D227C3E54042BA63D69D2435D068@Bud> Message-ID: I have just bought a Devin E body for a TR4 and plan to put together a little plastic bodied car .... Similarly any advice about how to attach it to the frame would be most welcome! Sent from my iPhone On 15 Dec 2012, at 21:18, "RACER BUD" wrote: > Also Bill Hart has a Devin TR.. contact Tony Garmey at horizonracing at msn.com > RB > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Mitchell" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:44 AM > Subject: [Fot] Devin > > >> I think that there were a couple of Devin owners on this list, if so, I have >> a friend >> that recently purchased a '59 Devin D Roadster. It was built by Devin, and >> has a >> Porsche motor. He has some questions about parts and would like to get in >> touch >> with anyone who can help him. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Doug >> >> -- >> Doug Mitchell >> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Dec 17 04:58:06 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 06:58:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had an underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance of coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, pump gas, close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am thinking it would take somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy and build the car. We get a handful of guys to do it, show off some good, close racing, and we promote the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. Oh well... Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hutchisen" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > OK Henry, > Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The TR7 > spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, so why > not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's of the > Triumph world. No respect! > Tim Hutchisen From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Dec 17 06:19:46 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 05:19:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1355750386.83368.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Henry: It sounds liike you could cheaply put a team together with what you have sitting around. But, did you notice that within five postings the "spec" class was morphing into a V6 from John's Car's? Simple rules...Spec Class! Minimal rules like FOT. Original type engine; Intake & exhaust free; 4 or 5 speed okay; DOT tires; DHC or FHC. Period. Would be fun! -Ed- --- On Mon, 12/17/12, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges To: FOT at autox.team.net Date: Monday, December 17, 2012, 5:58 AM The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had an underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance of coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, pump gas, close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am thinking it would take somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy and build the car. We get a handful of guys to do it, show off some good, close racing, and we promote the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. Oh well... Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hutchisen" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > OK Henry, > Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The TR7 > spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, so why > not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's of the > Triumph world. No respect! > Tim Hutchisen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From donmarshall at nefcom.net Mon Dec 17 07:55:47 2012 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:55:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: Easy peasy... check the SCCA GCR and under Improved Touring. The TR7 is still listed and under IT rules it's restricted to minimal changes from stock. Search "TR7 race cars for sale" and there's usually several old TR7 IT cars already race prepared, with cages and other safety equipment, and lots cheaper than you can build one from scratch. I know that some of the vintage groups, including SVRA and VDCA, are starting to accept old IT cars and the TR7 would have no problem being admitted as long as its prepped to the IT rules (no flares, fiberglass, etc.) and has treaded tires. Don On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:58 AM, wrote: > The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had an > underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. > > I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance of > coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, pump gas, > close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am thinking it would > take > somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy and build the car. We get a > handful of guys to do it, show off some good, close racing, and we promote > the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on > track.. > > Oh well... > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Hutchisen" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > > > OK Henry, > > Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The TR7 > > spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, so why > > not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's of the > > Triumph world. No respect! > > Tim Hutchisen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/donmarshall at nefcom.net From igofaster at att.net Mon Dec 17 08:48:24 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 07:48:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1355759304.30563.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Henry... I'm in... heck what do I care 3 Triumphs , two which a race cars (not running presently) ... why not another Triumph... I'm with you, fun and cheap.... in the words of a wise old Triumph guy (Larry) ... 'what's the difference between a TR7 and an onion? ... no one cries when you cut up a TR7..." Bobby ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, December 17, 2012 5:58:26 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had an underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance of coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, pump gas, close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am thinking it would take somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy and build the car. We get a handful of guys to do it, show off some good, close racing, and we promote the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. Oh well... Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hutchisen" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > OK Henry, > Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The TR7 > spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, so why > not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's of the > Triumph world. No respect! > Tim Hutchisen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Dec 17 09:06:55 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:06:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <89770F5D9CAE44DB89130A1C04EE74A8@TRIUMPH.local> Typically, Don, I would agree with you. But with the price of rust free coupes around here, and I think I am being generous saying the cost to have a cage and fuel cell installed would be $2000, I don't know why you would not start with a fresh car. However, given what I imagine the value of a TR7 IT car these days, you are probably right! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Marshall To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges Easy peasy... check the SCCA GCR and under Improved Touring. The TR7 is still listed and under IT rules it's restricted to minimal changes from stock. Search "TR7 race cars for sale" and there's usually several old TR7 IT cars already race prepared, with cages and other safety equipment, and lots cheaper than you can build one from scratch. I know that some of the vintage groups, including SVRA and VDCA, are starting to accept old IT cars and the TR7 would have no problem being admitted as long as its prepped to the IT rules (no flares, fiberglass, etc.) and has treaded tires. Don On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:58 AM, wrote: The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had an underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance of coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, pump gas, close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am thinking it would take somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy and build the car. We get a handful of guys to do it, show off some good, close racing, and we promote the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. Oh well... Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hutchisen" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > OK Henry, > Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The TR7 > spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, so why > not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's of the > Triumph world. No respect! > Tim Hutchisen From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Mon Dec 17 10:55:10 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:55:10 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133560@TITAN.dwholdings.local> One of the issues is that the TR7 was never really too popular as a new car. Not many folks sit back and say, "Gee, I would really like to have a nice TR7". Sure some do, but Miata's were and still are extremely popular as regular drivers. The other issue is where would you run this spec class? I might consider it if you run the series in California. Laguna Seca, Sears Point, Willow Springs, Buttonwillow, etc. I think most folks would rather build a Spitfire for an entry level race car. Nice idea, but I think it would hard to get enough racers (or potential racers)involved. Edward Dunn West Coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 Encinitas CA 92024 760-492-3814 www.vintageracing.us -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 3:58 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had an underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance of coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, pump gas, close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am thinking it would take somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy and build the car. We get a handful of guys to do it, show off some good, close racing, and we promote the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. Oh well... Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hutchisen" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > OK Henry, > Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The > TR7 spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, > so why not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's > of the Triumph world. No respect! > Tim Hutchisen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From apackard68 at att.net Mon Dec 17 11:18:52 2012 From: apackard68 at att.net (Andrew Packard) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:18:52 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Lemons team race seat needs Message-ID: Thanks to Joe et al for bringing my race team into this group. Three Triumph Travelers in the Bay Area of CA are putting together a TR4 Lemons racer. You can learn a bit about our team and one picture of our car in the "Which Car" section of my "Lemons to Lemons" blog here. Currently we are dealing with some floor pan rust issues with one repair to go prior to getting the 6-point cage installed. My first question to the list is regarding a recommended racing seat brand and model that fits well in a TR4 through 6. We want to get the seat prior to our roll cage design to ensure enough head clearance for our tallest driver. If someone has a "retired" seat they would like to move to a new home, we're definitely in the market! Being a Lemons car, we're hoping not to have to go new with this potentially pricey item. We're certain to have more issues during our build, so I'll thank the list in advance for their contributions. If successful, we'll be the first TR4 in Lemons. BTW, we first looked a TR7 coupe in Santa Rosa that could have been bought for $150. Our biggest concern, as well as with my GT6+ parts car I considered using, was the head clearance for a full cage when a roof was involved. Andy Packard From chasgee at aol.com Mon Dec 17 11:37:34 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:37:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133560@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133560@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: I believe it was the best selling TR ever. Chuck On Dec 17, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Edward Dunn wrote: > One of the issues is that the TR7 was never really too popular as a new car. > Not many folks sit back and say, "Gee, I would really like to have a nice > TR7". Sure some do, but Miata's were and still are extremely popular as > regular drivers. The other issue is where would you run this spec class? I > might consider it if you run the series in California. Laguna Seca, Sears > Point, Willow Springs, Buttonwillow, etc. > > I think most folks would rather build a Spitfire for an entry level race car. > > Nice idea, but I think it would hard to get enough racers (or potential > racers)involved. > > Edward Dunn > > West Coast Vintage Racing > 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 > Encinitas CA 92024 > > 760-492-3814 > > www.vintageracing.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of yellow04 at tr4racer.com > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 3:58 AM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had an > underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. > > I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance of > coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, pump gas, > close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am thinking it would take > somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy and build the car. We get a > handful of guys to do it, show off some good, close racing, and we promote the > heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. > > Oh well... > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Hutchisen" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > >> OK Henry, >> Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The >> TR7 spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, >> so why not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's >> of the Triumph world. No respect! >> Tim Hutchisen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Mon Dec 17 11:39:52 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:39:52 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133560@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133566@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Really? Well, let's buy a couple and race 'em Chuck! Edward Dunn West Coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 Encinitas CA 92024 760-492-3814 www.vintageracing.us -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Gee [mailto:chasgee at aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 10:38 AM To: Edward Dunn Cc: yellow04 at tr4racer.com; FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges I believe it was the best selling TR ever. Chuck On Dec 17, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Edward Dunn wrote: > One of the issues is that the TR7 was never really too popular as a new car. > Not many folks sit back and say, "Gee, I would really like to have a > nice TR7". Sure some do, but Miata's were and still are extremely > popular as regular drivers. The other issue is where would you run > this spec class? I might consider it if you run the series in > California. Laguna Seca, Sears Point, Willow Springs, Buttonwillow, etc. > > I think most folks would rather build a Spitfire for an entry level race car. > > Nice idea, but I think it would hard to get enough racers (or > potential racers)involved. > > Edward Dunn > > West Coast Vintage Racing > 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 > Encinitas CA 92024 > > 760-492-3814 > > www.vintageracing.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of yellow04 at tr4racer.com > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 3:58 AM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had > an underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. > > I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance > of coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, > pump gas, close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am > thinking it would take somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy > and build the car. We get a handful of guys to do it, show off some > good, close racing, and we promote the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. > > Oh well... > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Hutchisen" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > >> OK Henry, >> Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The >> TR7 spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, >> so why not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's >> of the Triumph world. No respect! >> Tim Hutchisen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.co > m _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From chasgee at aol.com Mon Dec 17 11:47:24 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:47:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133566@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133560@TITAN.dwholdings.local> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133566@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <41F2ECE2-C4D0-4C23-9D1E-ACCA13EB0173@aol.com> Did Lemons with one. The car did pretty well considering it was essentially stock. I always wanted to duplicate the Huffaker TR8 coupe but it would be an expensive endeavor. Cool car though. One of the reasons I don't have one is my wife can't stand them. She dated a creepy guy with a TR 7 back in the day (no, it wasn't me, I was the creepy guy with the TR6) and just can't get over it. That's my story and I'm sticking to it..... Chuck On Dec 17, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Really? Well, let's buy a couple and race 'em Chuck! > > Edward Dunn > > West Coast Vintage Racing > 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 > Encinitas CA 92024 > > 760-492-3814 > > www.vintageracing.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Gee [mailto:chasgee at aol.com] > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 10:38 AM > To: Edward Dunn > Cc: yellow04 at tr4racer.com; FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > I believe it was the best selling TR ever. > > Chuck > > On Dec 17, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Edward Dunn wrote: > >> One of the issues is that the TR7 was never really too popular as a new car. >> Not many folks sit back and say, "Gee, I would really like to have a >> nice TR7". Sure some do, but Miata's were and still are extremely >> popular as regular drivers. The other issue is where would you run >> this spec class? I might consider it if you run the series in >> California. Laguna Seca, Sears Point, Willow Springs, Buttonwillow, etc. >> >> I think most folks would rather build a Spitfire for an entry level race car. >> >> Nice idea, but I think it would hard to get enough racers (or >> potential racers)involved. >> >> Edward Dunn >> >> West Coast Vintage Racing >> 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 >> Encinitas CA 92024 >> >> 760-492-3814 >> >> www.vintageracing.us >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of yellow04 at tr4racer.com >> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 3:58 AM >> To: FOT at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges >> >> The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had >> an underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. >> >> I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance >> of coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, >> pump gas, close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am >> thinking it would take somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy >> and build the car. We get a handful of guys to do it, show off some >> good, close racing, and we promote the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. >> >> Oh well... >> >> Henry >> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Hutchisen" >> To: ; >> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges >> >> >>> OK Henry, >>> Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The >>> TR7 spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, >>> so why not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's >>> of the Triumph world. No respect! >>> Tim Hutchisen >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.co >> m _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Mon Dec 17 13:34:55 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:34:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Lemons team race seat needs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D653A82-86B7-4107-AE27-580A092F1156@austin.rr.com> I have a Lemon's TR6 race car in central Texas that could be made available to a team that wanted to use it. It has completed 2 Lemon's races but we seem to have lost interest. Most of the team either vintage races, of auto crosses and our time is better spent on our real race cars. Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Andrew Packard wrote: > Thanks to Joe et al for bringing my race team into this group. Three Triumph > Travelers in the Bay Area of CA are putting together a TR4 Lemons racer. You > can learn a bit about our team and one picture of our car in the "Which Car" > section of my "Lemons to Lemons" blog here. > > Currently we are dealing with some floor pan rust issues with one repair to go > prior to getting the 6-point cage installed. > > My first question to the list is regarding a recommended racing seat brand and > model that fits well in a TR4 through 6. We want to get the seat prior to our > roll cage design to ensure enough head clearance for our tallest driver. If > someone has a "retired" seat they would like to move to a new home, we're > definitely in the market! Being a Lemons car, we're hoping not to have to go > new with this potentially pricey item. We're certain to have more issues > during our build, so I'll thank the list in advance for their contributions. > If successful, we'll be the first TR4 in Lemons. > > BTW, we first looked a TR7 coupe in Santa Rosa that could have been bought for > $150. Our biggest concern, as well as with my GT6+ parts car I considered > using, was the head clearance for a full cage when a roof was involved. > > Andy Packard > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Mon Dec 17 13:42:52 2012 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:42:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Lemons team race seat needs In-Reply-To: <8D653A82-86B7-4107-AE27-580A092F1156@austin.rr.com> References: <8D653A82-86B7-4107-AE27-580A092F1156@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: I would love to have this car. I know a few people who would love to co run it. Unfortunately I am in the Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey area. It's a little far away for us and to get it shipped might be a little too much. I can still dream! Chris On Dec 17, 2012, at 3:34 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > I have a Lemon's TR6 race car in central Texas that could be made available to > a team that wanted to use it. It has completed 2 Lemon's races but we seem to > have lost interest. Most of the team either vintage races, of auto crosses and > our time is better spent on our real race cars. > Bob Kramer > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 17, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Andrew Packard wrote: > >> Thanks to Joe et al for bringing my race team into this group. Three > Triumph >> Travelers in the Bay Area of CA are putting together a TR4 Lemons racer. > You >> can learn a bit about our team and one picture of our car in the "Which > Car" >> section of my "Lemons to Lemons" blog here. >> >> Currently we are dealing with some floor pan rust issues with one repair to > go >> prior to getting the 6-point cage installed. >> >> My first question to the list is regarding a recommended racing seat brand > and >> model that fits well in a TR4 through 6. We want to get the seat prior to > our >> roll cage design to ensure enough head clearance for our tallest driver. > If >> someone has a "retired" seat they would like to move to a new home, we're >> definitely in the market! Being a Lemons car, we're hoping not to have to > go >> new with this potentially pricey item. We're certain to have more issues >> during our build, so I'll thank the list in advance for their > contributions. >> If successful, we'll be the first TR4 in Lemons. >> >> BTW, we first looked a TR7 coupe in Santa Rosa that could have been bought > for >> $150. Our biggest concern, as well as with my GT6+ parts car I considered >> using, was the head clearance for a full cage when a roof was involved. >> >> Andy Packard >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Dec 17 20:25:09 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:25:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] need help Message-ID: <3D5900C3F4944640A3D2519D1755D85E@hpd530> Hi All, this isn't a Triumph question, but with all of our group's knowledge, I may get some answers. I have an early 70's John Deere 350 dozer with a 3 cylinder Diesel engine. Due to a malfunctioning temp gauge and a brain fade, I overheated the engine. I now have a milkshake in the oil pan. I pulled the head today and didn't see anything obvious; head gasket looked ok, cylinder walls ok, head ok. I think the problem was in #1 cylinder, but found no obvious problems. Any suggestions? Thanks, Bill From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Mon Dec 17 20:34:53 2012 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 14:34:53 +1100 Subject: [Fot] need help In-Reply-To: <3D5900C3F4944640A3D2519D1755D85E@hpd530> References: <3D5900C3F4944640A3D2519D1755D85E@hpd530> Message-ID: Bill, Inspect the bores very carefully. Diesels are known to split/fine crack in the cylinder liner walls when overheated. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Tobin Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2012 2:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] need help Hi All, this isn't a Triumph question, but with all of our group's knowledge, I may get some answers. I have an early 70's John Deere 350 dozer with a 3 cylinder Diesel engine. Due to a malfunctioning temp gauge and a brain fade, I overheated the engine. I now have a milkshake in the oil pan. I pulled the head today and didn't see anything obvious; head gasket looked ok, cylinder walls ok, head ok. I think the problem was in #1 cylinder, but found no obvious problems. Any suggestions? Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic at netspace.net.au From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Mon Dec 17 20:55:24 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 21:55:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Devin In-Reply-To: References: <000c01cddafc$a1980240$e4c806c0$@sbcglobal.net> <5DD2D227C3E54042BA63D69D2435D068@Bud> Message-ID: <43E1963E-C0E1-4826-BFB3-99D8DA8BFDCC@austin.rr.com> I have a Devin body in the attic! I think the trick way is to build mounting pockets moulded around 2x4's and glass those pockets to the body in locations that catch the TR frame body mounts. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2012, at 3:21 AM, TR4 Tony wrote: > I have just bought a Devin E body for a TR4 and plan to put together a little > plastic bodied car .... Similarly any advice about how to attach it to the > frame would be most welcome! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 15 Dec 2012, at 21:18, "RACER BUD" wrote: > >> Also Bill Hart has a Devin TR.. contact Tony Garmey at > horizonracing at msn.com >> RB >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Mitchell" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:44 AM >> Subject: [Fot] Devin >> >> >>> I think that there were a couple of Devin owners on this list, if so, I > have >>> a friend >>> that recently purchased a '59 Devin D Roadster. It was built by Devin, and >>> has a >>> Porsche motor. He has some questions about parts and would like to get in >>> touch >>> with anyone who can help him. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> -- >>> Doug Mitchell >>> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Mon Dec 17 22:13:43 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:13:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] need help In-Reply-To: <3D5900C3F4944640A3D2519D1755D85E@hpd530> References: <3D5900C3F4944640A3D2519D1755D85E@hpd530> Message-ID: Likely warped head depending on how hot. Check the head for distortion. If off, deck the head and get a compressible copper type gasket IMO. Tyler Thompson l National Account Executive - Public Safety Sector esri | One International Court | Broomfield, CO 80021 Phone: 303.449-7779 ext. 8260, cell: 719.510-1649 | E-mail: tyler_thompson at esri.com Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Dec 17, 2012, at 8:25 PM, "Bill Tobin" wrote: > Hi All, this isn't a Triumph question, but with all of our group's knowledge, > I may get some answers. > I have an early 70's John Deere 350 dozer with a 3 cylinder Diesel engine. Due > to a malfunctioning temp gauge and a brain fade, I overheated the engine. I > now have a milkshake in the oil pan. > I pulled the head today and didn't see anything obvious; head gasket looked > ok, cylinder walls ok, head ok. I think the problem was in #1 cylinder, but > found no obvious problems. > Any suggestions? > Thanks, Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue Dec 18 08:05:45 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:05:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? Message-ID: <50D08649.40100@blacksburg.net> Amici Last year FoT sponsored an "ad", which was a memorial to Uncle Jack, in Burt Levy's latest book ("200 MPH Steamroller"). I notice that Levy is working on a sequel, so I contacted Joe to see what he thought about sponsoring another "ad". He's busy rounding up funding for the 2013 Kastner Cup, but suggested that I poll the group for interest. So what say you? If there's sufficient interest (we had a dozen participants last time) I'll take the lead on this one. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Dec 18 09:15:46 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:15:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] need help In-Reply-To: References: <3D5900C3F4944640A3D2519D1755D85E@hpd530> Message-ID: <000001cddd3a$f0361410$d0a23c30$@com> That's exactly what happened on our TRactor motor at Gingerman a couple of years ago. We broke the water pump shaft, overheated and had very fine vertical splits/cracks on #3 and #4. In our case it was easy to find because we had water in #3 and #4 bores. When I let it sit overnight the splits showed up due to a fine line of rust on the split. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter Vucinic Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 9:35 PM To: 'Bill Tobin'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] need help Bill, Inspect the bores very carefully. Diesels are known to split/fine crack in the cylinder liner walls when overheated. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Tobin Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2012 2:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] need help Hi All, this isn't a Triumph question, but with all of our group's knowledge, I may get some answers. I have an early 70's John Deere 350 dozer with a 3 cylinder Diesel engine. Due to a malfunctioning temp gauge and a brain fade, I overheated the engine. I now have a milkshake in the oil pan. I pulled the head today and didn't see anything obvious; head gasket looked ok, cylinder walls ok, head ok. I think the problem was in #1 cylinder, but found no obvious problems. Any suggestions? Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic at netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Dec 18 10:45:51 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 17:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] need help In-Reply-To: <000001cddd3a$f0361410$d0a23c30$@com> Message-ID: <1834480888.1167891.1355852751977.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Bill, If you have made a milkshake in the crankcase the bearings are most likely hosed. It's not hard to confirm it if you can get the oil pan off and pull a couple caps. You can buy dye penetrant spray from welding shops to check your cylinder walls ,head & block. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "Peter Vucinic" , "Bill Tobin" , fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 9:15:46 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] need help That's exactly what happened on our TRactor motor at Gingerman a couple of years ago. We broke the water pump shaft, overheated and had very fine vertical splits/cracks on #3 and #4. B In our case it was easy to find because we had water in #3 and #4 bores. B When I let it sit overnight the splits showed up due to a fine line of rust on the split. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter Vucinic Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 9:35 PM To: 'Bill Tobin'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] need help Bill, Inspect the bores very carefully. Diesels are known to split/fine crack in the cylinder liner walls when overheated. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Tobin Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2012 2:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] need help Hi All, this isn't a Triumph question, but with all of our group's knowledge, I may get some answers. I have an early 70's John Deere 350 dozer with a 3 cylinder Diesel engine. Due to a malfunctioning temp gauge and a brain fade, I overheated the engine. I now have a milkshake in the oil pan. I pulled the head today and didn't see anything obvious; head gasket looked ok, cylinder walls ok, head ok. I think the problem was in #1 cylinder, but found no obvious problems. Any suggestions? Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic at netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Dec 18 15:16:09 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:16:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Robert Johns Message-ID: <1973513037.1504709.1355868969021.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Robert: Please contact me off line regarding your participation in the 1957 Sebring race. Thanks Gary Horstkorta From peter at nosimport.com Tue Dec 18 15:18:09 2012 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:18:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Robert Johns In-Reply-To: <1973513037.1504709.1355868969021.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.eme ryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1973513037.1504709.1355868969021.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20121218221810.B0C9FF440FA@mx2.netinteraction.com> Is there still time to sign up? At 04:16 PM 12/18/2012, vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote: >Robert: > > >Please contact me off line regarding your participation in the 1957 >Sebring race. Thanks > > >Gary Horstkorta From rfdeanes at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 15:49:56 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 17:49:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Robert Johns In-Reply-To: <20121218221810.B0C9FF440FA@mx2.netinteraction.com> References: <1973513037.1504709.1355868969021.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20121218221810.B0C9FF440FA@mx2.netinteraction.com> Message-ID: You will need a special fast Delorean and the "professors " help....oh..don't forget the lightning! On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Peter Caldwell wrote: > Is there still time to sign up? > > > > At 04:16 PM 12/18/2012, vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote: > >> Robert: >> >> >> Please contact me off line regarding your participation in the 1957 >> Sebring race. Thanks >> >> >> Gary Horstkorta >> > ______________________________**_________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Dec 18 16:46:15 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:46:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Robert Johns In-Reply-To: <20121218221810.B0C9FF440FA@mx2.netinteraction.com> References: <1973513037.1504709.1355868969021.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20121218221810.B0C9FF440FA@mx2.netinteraction.com> Message-ID: <6EFECF4D-EA98-4E77-A68F-39448D23FE13@comcast.net> Certainly. Just send me a check for the $300 entry fee and I'll be happy to reserve you a spot on the grid. If you go for that proposition, perhaps you would like to also send me a sizable deposit check for a luxury Italian cruise on the Costa Concordia. Gary Sent from my iPad On Dec 18, 2012, at 2:18 PM, Peter Caldwell wrote: > Is there still time to sign up? > > > At 04:16 PM 12/18/2012, vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote: >> Robert: >> >> >> Please contact me off line regarding your participation in the 1957 Sebring race. Thanks >> >> >> Gary Horstkorta From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 18 17:19:03 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 19:19:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? Message-ID: You might check with Burt to see if there is still time. The book was supposed to be released this past September, but I know he missed that deadline. Not sure when it will be out now. He owes me a copy when it is released. At any rate, I'd be willing to put in some money. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net "J.C. Hassall" wrote: >Amici > >Last year FoT sponsored an "ad", which was a memorial to Uncle Jack, in Burt Levy's latest book ("200 MPH Steamroller"). I notice that Levy is working on a sequel, so I contacted Joe to see what he thought about sponsoring another "ad". He's busy rounding up funding for the 2013 Kastner Cup, but suggested that I poll the group for interest. > >So what say you? If there's sufficient interest (we had a dozen participants last time) I'll take the lead on this one. > >jim > >-- >Jim Hassall >Blacksburg VA >'63 TR4 in autox preparation >99% finished, 90% to go >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From mhado at att.net Tue Dec 18 17:48:25 2012 From: mhado at att.net (M&M Hado) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 18:48:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs Message-ID: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net> I was just finishing up a TR2 engine rebuild and one of the 9.5" studs stripped the threads in the block at the bottom of the 4" hole when I got to about 70 ft-lb. Has anyone successfully put a HeliCoil at the bottom of this hole? The original size of the hole in the block is about 17/32" (just enough to accommodate the 1/2" stud, of course) and this happens to be the tap drill size for the 1/2-13 HeliCoil. The OD of the HeliCoil itself is about .615" so that means I would have to drill out the hole in the block to something larger than this - say 5/8" and save about an inch at the bottom for tapping for the HeliCoil. I'm wondering if there is enough meat in the block to drill out the hole to 5/8". Having gone this far, I really would like to save this block so any ideas/hints/experience would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike Hado From clw2000 at msn.com Wed Dec 19 07:05:33 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:05:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear Message-ID: Friends: I see a lot of folks in various marquees (including Triumphs) using coil-over shocks in the rear to supplement a tired leaf-spring. I noticed Ratco is selling this as an upgrade to the TR suspension. My question, especially with regard to a rotoflex axle in my GT6 is, why not? benefits seem to be: - spring travels same path as shock - easily adjustable spring rate and height downsides: - possible space limitations (probably avoidable when going from donut to CV) - what am I missing??? If you're redoing the entire suspension anyway, is this not a good way to go? And if not, has anyone tried the composite "leaf" springs and saved the 40-50 lbs of steel? Thanks, Chuck Watson From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Dec 19 07:59:36 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:59:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles, there are some set ups out there for the GT6 if you want a completely new/more modern set up. I think PRI sells what looks like a good conversion. Im on a budget so I took the 15 dollar route and simply added a helper spring to the top of the tired old transverse leaf stack. I bought a 2000# trailer spring at princess auto, used the longest leaf, de-arched it to achieve a lower ride height and slipped it under the top plate that bolts down onto leaf set up. It was simple, cheap and easy to install and works really well. It's nice that I didn't even have to pull the main leaf out in order to do this and could out the helper easily and adjust the arch if need be. I left in the rotoflex setup and run on performance street tires. I figure I'm less likely to break a hub or axle that way but that's just my opinion. When I have a few grand to blow I may do the rear conversion. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-19, at 9:05 AM, "Charles WATSON" wrote: > Friends: > > I see a lot of folks in various marquees (including Triumphs) using coil-over > shocks in the rear to supplement a tired leaf-spring. I noticed Ratco is > selling this as an upgrade to the TR suspension. My question, especially with > regard to a rotoflex axle in my GT6 is, why not? > > benefits seem to be: > - spring travels same path as shock > - easily adjustable spring rate and height > > downsides: > - possible space limitations (probably avoidable when going from donut to CV) > - what am I missing??? > > If you're redoing the entire suspension anyway, is this not a good way to go? > And if not, has anyone tried the composite "leaf" springs and saved the 40-50 > lbs of steel? > > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed Dec 19 08:56:51 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 10:56:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> On 12/18/2012 7:19 PM, Doug Mitchell wrote: > You might check with Burt to see if there is still time. The book was supposed to be released this past September, but I know he missed that deadline. Not sure when it will be out now. He owes me a copy when it is released. At any rate, I'd be willing to put in some money. > > Doug, good point. Burt said: Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much appreciated! I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. Ideas? Henry, what do you think? TIA jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Dec 19 09:48:40 2012 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:48:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> I did see the conversion from PRI. It looks sweet and cool. If I had the green I would go for it. But... What about using coil overs and just a single leaf. Use the coil over to do the ride hight and ride control and let the leaf do the suspension geometry movements. Any thoughts on how that might work? Isn't there a picture and a small comment about this in one of Kas books? Chris On Dec 19, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Vince G wrote: > Charles, there are some set ups out there for the GT6 if you want a completely > new/more modern set up. I think PRI sells what looks like a good conversion. > > Im on a budget so I took the 15 dollar route and simply added a helper spring > to the top of the tired old transverse leaf stack. I bought a 2000# trailer > spring at princess auto, used the longest leaf, de-arched it to achieve a > lower ride height and slipped it under the top plate that bolts down onto leaf > set up. It was simple, cheap and easy to install and works really well. It's > nice that I didn't even have to pull the main leaf out in order to do this and > could out the helper easily and adjust the arch if need be. > > I left in the rotoflex setup and run on performance street tires. I figure I'm > less likely to break a hub or axle that way but that's just my opinion. When > I have a few grand to blow I may do the rear conversion. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-12-19, at 9:05 AM, "Charles WATSON" wrote: > >> Friends: >> >> I see a lot of folks in various marquees (including Triumphs) using > coil-over >> shocks in the rear to supplement a tired leaf-spring. I noticed Ratco is >> selling this as an upgrade to the TR suspension. My question, especially > with >> regard to a rotoflex axle in my GT6 is, why not? >> >> benefits seem to be: >> - spring travels same path as shock >> - easily adjustable spring rate and height >> >> downsides: >> - possible space limitations (probably avoidable when going from donut to > CV) >> - what am I missing??? >> >> If you're redoing the entire suspension anyway, is this not a good way to > go? >> And if not, has anyone tried the composite "leaf" springs and saved the > 40-50 >> lbs of steel? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Watson >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Dec 19 09:48:52 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:48:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E804667@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> << so perhaps we should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. >> Jimmy Coan? Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J.C. Hassall Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:57 AM To: Doug Mitchell Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? On 12/18/2012 7:19 PM, Doug Mitchell wrote: > You might check with Burt to see if there is still time. The book was supposed to be released this past September, but I know he missed that deadline. Not sure when it will be out now. He owes me a copy when it is released. At any rate, I'd be willing to put in some money. > > Doug, good point. Burt said: Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much appreciated! I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. Ideas? Henry, what do you think? TIA jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From jhouathome at aol.com Wed Dec 19 12:13:25 2012 From: jhouathome at aol.com (Jhouathome) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:13:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire steering hub? Message-ID: <8F83DD89-66C4-48EE-B47C-EEED43076617@aol.com> Hi everyone. I have a Ginetta G15 going back on the race track this season that uses a Spitfire steering column. I want to install a quick release steering wheel and don't want to weld a hub onto the column if I can avoid it. Any suggestions for a quick release hub that bolts onto the splined steering shaft? Thanks, John Houlton From clw2000 at msn.com Wed Dec 19 13:39:31 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:39:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> References: , <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> Message-ID: The question I am asking myself is: If this is a good idea then why didn't Triumph build them that way when they first went to rotoflex (minor clearance issues aside)? It's not like the technology wasn't there yet. Thanks, Chuck Watson > CC: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear > Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:48:40 -0500 > To: vangoughv at hotmail.com > > I did see the conversion from PRI. It looks sweet and cool. If I had the green I would go for it. > > But... > > What about using coil overs and just a single leaf. Use the coil over to do the ride hight and ride control and let the leaf do the suspension geometry movements. > > Any thoughts on how that might work? > > Isn't there a picture and a small comment about this in one of Kas books? > > Chris > > On Dec 19, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Vince G wrote: > > > Charles, there are some set ups out there for the GT6 if you want a completely > > new/more modern set up. I think PRI sells what looks like a good conversion. > > > > Im on a budget so I took the 15 dollar route and simply added a helper spring > > to the top of the tired old transverse leaf stack. I bought a 2000# trailer > > spring at princess auto, used the longest leaf, de-arched it to achieve a > > lower ride height and slipped it under the top plate that bolts down onto leaf > > set up. It was simple, cheap and easy to install and works really well. It's > > nice that I didn't even have to pull the main leaf out in order to do this and > > could out the helper easily and adjust the arch if need be. > > > > I left in the rotoflex setup and run on performance street tires. I figure I'm > > less likely to break a hub or axle that way but that's just my opinion. When > > I have a few grand to blow I may do the rear conversion. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On 2012-12-19, at 9:05 AM, "Charles WATSON" wrote: > > > >> Friends: > >> > >> I see a lot of folks in various marquees (including Triumphs) using > > coil-over > >> shocks in the rear to supplement a tired leaf-spring. I noticed Ratco is > >> selling this as an upgrade to the TR suspension. My question, especially > > with > >> regard to a rotoflex axle in my GT6 is, why not? > >> > >> benefits seem to be: > >> - spring travels same path as shock > >> - easily adjustable spring rate and height > >> > >> downsides: > >> - possible space limitations (probably avoidable when going from donut to > > CV) > >> - what am I missing??? > >> > >> If you're redoing the entire suspension anyway, is this not a good way to > > go? > >> And if not, has anyone tried the composite "leaf" springs and saved the > > 40-50 > >> lbs of steel? > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Chuck Watson > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Dec 19 13:41:23 2012 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:41:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire steering hub? In-Reply-To: <8F83DD89-66C4-48EE-B47C-EEED43076617@aol.com> References: <8F83DD89-66C4-48EE-B47C-EEED43076617@aol.com> Message-ID: <2B22C440-D487-43CF-AF9F-42374F836F38@aol.com> If you can't find a way to just bolt a quick release on, I have an extra column if you don't want to mangle yours. Chris On Dec 19, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Jhouathome wrote: > Hi everyone. I have a Ginetta G15 going back on the race track this season > that uses a Spitfire steering column. I want to install a quick release > steering wheel and don't want to weld a hub onto the column if I can avoid it. > Any suggestions for a quick release hub that bolts onto the splined steering > shaft? > Thanks, > John Houlton > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From chasgee at aol.com Wed Dec 19 17:04:06 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:04:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: References: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> Message-ID: Most of us haven't done this because of a rules limitation. Make sure you check with the organization you plan on racing with before spending the money. Chuck On Dec 19, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Charles WATSON wrote: > The question I am asking myself is: If this is a good idea then why didn't > Triumph build them that way when they first went to rotoflex (minor clearance > issues aside)? It's not like the technology wasn't there yet. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > >> CC: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net >> From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear >> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:48:40 -0500 >> To: vangoughv at hotmail.com >> >> I did see the conversion from PRI. It looks sweet and cool. If I had the > green I would go for it. >> >> But... >> >> What about using coil overs and just a single leaf. Use the coil over to do > the ride hight and ride control and let the leaf do the suspension geometry > movements. >> >> Any thoughts on how that might work? >> >> Isn't there a picture and a small comment about this in one of Kas books? >> >> Chris >> >> On Dec 19, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Vince G wrote: >> >>> Charles, there are some set ups out there for the GT6 if you want a > completely >>> new/more modern set up. I think PRI sells what looks like a good > conversion. >>> >>> Im on a budget so I took the 15 dollar route and simply added a helper > spring >>> to the top of the tired old transverse leaf stack. I bought a 2000# > trailer >>> spring at princess auto, used the longest leaf, de-arched it to achieve a >>> lower ride height and slipped it under the top plate that bolts down onto > leaf >>> set up. It was simple, cheap and easy to install and works really well. > It's >>> nice that I didn't even have to pull the main leaf out in order to do this > and >>> could out the helper easily and adjust the arch if need be. >>> >>> I left in the rotoflex setup and run on performance street tires. I figure > I'm >>> less likely to break a hub or axle that way but that's just my opinion. > When >>> I have a few grand to blow I may do the rear conversion. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 2012-12-19, at 9:05 AM, "Charles WATSON" wrote: >>> >>>> Friends: >>>> >>>> I see a lot of folks in various marquees (including Triumphs) using >>> coil-over >>>> shocks in the rear to supplement a tired leaf-spring. I noticed Ratco is >>>> selling this as an upgrade to the TR suspension. My question, especially >>> with >>>> regard to a rotoflex axle in my GT6 is, why not? >>>> >>>> benefits seem to be: >>>> - spring travels same path as shock >>>> - easily adjustable spring rate and height >>>> >>>> downsides: >>>> - possible space limitations (probably avoidable when going from donut > to >>> CV) >>>> - what am I missing??? >>>> >>>> If you're redoing the entire suspension anyway, is this not a good way > to >>> go? >>>> And if not, has anyone tried the composite "leaf" springs and saved the >>> 40-50 >>>> lbs of steel? >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chuck Watson >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 19 17:16:06 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:16:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? Message-ID: I think that Burt's suggestion of a shot of Henry's holed block would be very appropriate for his book. Just need a suitable caption. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net "Barr, Scott" wrote: ><< so perhaps we should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes >forward. >> > >Jimmy Coan? > >Scott B. > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf >Of J.C. Hassall >Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:57 AM >To: Doug Mitchell >Cc: fot >Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > >On 12/18/2012 7:19 PM, Doug Mitchell wrote: >> You might check with Burt to see if there is still time. The book was >supposed to be released this past September, but I know he missed that >deadline. Not sure when it will be out now. He owes me a copy when it is >released. At any rate, I'd be willing to put in some money. >> >> >Doug, good point. Burt said: > >Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany of >excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). >I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you still >have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating members" and >pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole through the side at >The Mitty might be nice.... >Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much >appreciated! > >I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we should >start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. >Ideas? Henry, what do you think? > >TIA > >jim > >-- > >Jim Hassall >Blacksburg VA >'63 TR4 in autox preparation >99% finished, 90% to go >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Dec 19 17:47:06 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:47:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to other marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. My vote is we do something for them. Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "Doug Mitchell" Cc: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > Burt said: > Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany > of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you > still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating > members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole > through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much > appreciated! > > I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we > should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > Ideas? Henry, what do you think? From jason at multivintage.com Wed Dec 19 18:09:16 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:09:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: References: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> Message-ID: > Sorry if this comes through twice, got bounced for "too long". Forgot to > shorten original message... > Anyway... > Unfortunately/ fortunately, there are lots of answers to these questions. The pri independent rear looks neat.... but coil over shocks are specifically mentioned as "not allowed" with all the vintage group's rules that I looked at. I think that here the important thing to understand is that we want a setup that is lower and has limited travel. That's the nut shell. From the beginning days of improvement the cautions have been cost and complexity. You could get really complicated here and have lots of adjustments and options. I'm not sure any of that matters. What I want, and what is fast, is a setup that doesn't move much, never bottoms out, and is stronger than stock. Looks like Vince found a way to do that for 15.00 (Smart) There are several ways to go down this road and some are more complex than others The important basics are mainly a stiffer spring, stronger axles, and better hubs. Steve and Chuck seem to have made great strides in development here with the use of the 240Z axle set. Older versions, like mine.... use TR6 axles and Corvair CV joints (39 years old) or perhaps with custom made billet axles and hubs (and of coarse good hard shocks). Whatever is done and with what parts... essentially all need to accomplish the same thing....give the proper spring height. which in turn gives the proper camber. For the record, about perfect for a race GT6 is 3/4 degree negative. In terms of an acceptable maximum and minimum we are looking for a number of 1 to 1/2 negative. Any beefy set-up in that rage will be fine Keep it simple, make it strong. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Dec 19 18:48:25 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:48:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <5BBAC350-C8AD-4A77-B13A-C0BC8B10DEF4@austin.rr.com> Although I too have suffered the inevitable ventilated block I suspect that our failure rate is no different than the norm for 50/60's small sports cars. Sure 911's seem more dependable but not much else. We are just more humble and self deprecating, a fine trait........ Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2012, at 6:47 PM, wrote: > What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we > Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to other > marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe > perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. > > We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. My > vote is we do something for them. > > Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. > > Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J.C. Hassall" > To: "Doug Mitchell" > Cc: "fot" > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > > >> Burt said: > >> Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany >> of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). >> I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you >> still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating >> members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole >> through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... >> Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much >> appreciated! >> >> I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we >> should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. >> Ideas? Henry, what do you think? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Dec 19 18:53:35 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:53:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <5BBAC350-C8AD-4A77-B13A-C0BC8B10DEF4@austin.rr.com> References: , <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net>, <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local>, <5BBAC350-C8AD-4A77-B13A-C0BC8B10DEF4@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: We could do a collage of ventilated block pictures. :) Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:48:25 -0600 > To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > Although I too have suffered the inevitable ventilated block I suspect that > our failure rate is no different than the norm for 50/60's small sports cars. > Sure 911's seem more dependable but not much else. We are just more humble and > self deprecating, a fine trait........ > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 19, 2012, at 6:47 PM, wrote: > > > What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we > > Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to other > > marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe > > perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. > > > > We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. My > > vote is we do something for them. > > > > Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. > > > > Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! > > > > Henry > > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J.C. Hassall" > > To: "Doug Mitchell" > > Cc: "fot" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > > > > > > >> Burt said: > > > >> Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany > >> of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > >> I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you > >> still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating > >> members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole > >> through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > >> Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much > >> appreciated! > >> > >> I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we > >> should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > >> Ideas? Henry, what do you think? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Wed Dec 19 19:14:40 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:14:40 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: References: , <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net>, <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local>, <5BBAC350-C8AD-4A77-B13A-C0BC8B10DEF4@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE11335A6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> I've got a couple photos of that as well. I think we would probably need a two page spread if ventilated blocks were the theme... Ed Dunn -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:54 PM Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? We could do a collage of ventilated block pictures. :) Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:48:25 -0600 > To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > Although I too have suffered the inevitable ventilated block I suspect > that our failure rate is no different than the norm for 50/60's small > sports cars. > Sure 911's seem more dependable but not much else. We are just more > humble and > self deprecating, a fine trait........ > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 19, 2012, at 6:47 PM, wrote: > > > What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that > > we Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared > > to other marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not > > believe perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. > > > > We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee > > F. My vote is we do something for them. > > > > Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. > > > > Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! > > > > Henry > > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J.C. Hassall" > > To: "Doug Mitchell" > > Cc: "fot" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > > > > > > >> Burt said: > > > >> Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full > >> litany of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > >> I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So > >> you still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, > >> "participating members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's > >> motor with the hole through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > >> Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is > >> much appreciated! > >> > >> I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps > >> we should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > >> Ideas? Henry, what do you think? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Dec 19 19:32:58 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:32:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE11335A6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: , <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net>, <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local>, <5BBAC350-C8AD-4A77-B13A-C0BC8B10DEF4@austin.rr.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE11335A6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <50D278DA.8020405@comcast.net> A couple of years ago we were sitting in my engine builders motorhome at the race track enjoying a few Irish coffee's in the evening. His wife was using a blender to make the whipped cream, turned it on with the spoon still inside and ventilated the blender sending whipped cream all over the motorhome. Hadn't laughed that hard in ages. Got a photo for the collage. From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Dec 19 19:36:02 2012 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 21:36:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE11335A6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> <5BBAC350-C8AD-4A77-B13A-C0BC8B10DEF4@austin.rr.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE11335A6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <2A13AF62-8B02-4F0E-9B98-C208EE8EEBD8@aol.com> I have a picture of a rolls-Royce Merlin (air plane engine) that had been ventilated by a broken rod. Basically the only thing that held the front of the block to the rear of the block was the head. It is a sad but awesome picture Chris On Dec 19, 2012, at 9:14 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > I've got a couple photos of that as well. I think we would probably need a two > page spread if ventilated blocks were the theme... > > Ed Dunn > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of marty sukey > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:54 PM > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > We could do a collage of ventilated block pictures. :) > > Marty > ---------------------------------------- >> From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:48:25 -0600 >> To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? >> >> Although I too have suffered the inevitable ventilated block I suspect >> that our failure rate is no different than the norm for 50/60's small >> sports > cars. >> Sure 911's seem more dependable but not much else. We are just more >> humble > and >> self deprecating, a fine trait........ >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 19, 2012, at 6:47 PM, wrote: >> >>> What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that >>> we Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared >>> to other marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not >>> believe perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. >>> >>> We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee >>> F. My vote is we do something for them. >>> >>> Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. >>> >>> Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! >>> >>> Henry >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "J.C. Hassall" >>> To: "Doug Mitchell" >>> Cc: "fot" >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? >>> >>> >>> >>>> Burt said: >>> >>>> Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full >>>> litany of excuses available > athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). >>>> I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So >>>> you still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, >>>> "participating members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's >>>> motor with the hole through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... >>>> Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is >>>> much appreciated! >>>> >>>> I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps >>>> we should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. >>>> Ideas? Henry, what do you think? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Dec 19 21:09:45 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 22:09:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: Agreed - lets do something positive. I'm sure we all have our piles of broken bits / trophies. I've got a beat up corner of a car I rolled hanging in the garage as wall art - and as a reminder that keeping the wheels on the car is important. I like the Jimmy Coan / Lanky F tribute and the Kas Cup winners tribute ideas. Cheers, Tony At 06:47 PM 12/19/2012, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: >What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we >Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to other >marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe >perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. > >We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. My >vote is we do something for them. > >Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. > >Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! > >Henry >yellow04 at tr4racer.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "J.C. Hassall" >To: "Doug Mitchell" >Cc: "fot" >Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM >Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > > > > Burt said: > > > Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany > > of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > > I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you > > still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating > > members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole > > through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > > Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much > > appreciated! > > > > I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we > > should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > > Ideas? Henry, what do you think? >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From mark at bradakis.com Wed Dec 19 21:30:29 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 21:30:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <20121220041121.22C6B40430@autox.team.net> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> <20121220041121.22C6B40430@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <50D29465.1080305@bradakis.com> Tony Drews wrote: > I like the Jimmy Coan / Lanky F tribute and the Kas Cup winners > tribute ideas. > A montage of then and now? Anyone have a pic of Kas in an MG? mjb. From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Dec 19 21:39:48 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 23:39:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <20121220041145.15B8A40423@autox.team.net> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> <20121220041145.15B8A40423@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000d01cdde6c$0af89570$20e9c050$@rogers.com> I have some good Lanky pictures from Watkins Glen if needed. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: December 19, 2012 11:10 PM To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? Agreed - lets do something positive. I'm sure we all have our piles of broken bits / trophies. I've got a beat up corner of a car I rolled hanging in the garage as wall art - and as a reminder that keeping the wheels on the car is important. I like the Jimmy Coan / Lanky F tribute and the Kas Cup winners tribute ideas. Cheers, Tony At 06:47 PM 12/19/2012, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: >What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we >Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to >other marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe >perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. > >We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. >My vote is we do something for them. > >Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. > >Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! > >Henry >yellow04 at tr4racer.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "J.C. Hassall" >To: "Doug Mitchell" >Cc: "fot" >Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM >Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > > > > Burt said: > > > Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full > > litany of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > > I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So > > you still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, > > "participating members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's > > motor with the hole through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > > Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is > > much appreciated! > > > > I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps > > we should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > > Ideas? Henry, what do you think? >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From billdentin at aol.com Thu Dec 20 08:36:30 2012 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:36:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <20121220041119.DB77440454@autox.team.net> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> <20121220041119.DB77440454@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CFACDEEA8E3806-2670-33DD9@webmail-m173.sysops.aol.com> Agreed - lets do something positive. I'm sure we all have our piles f broken bits / trophies. I've got a beat up corner of a car I olled hanging in the garage as wall art - and as a reminder that eeping the wheels on the car is important. I like the Jimmy Coan / anky F tribute and the Kas Cup winners tribute ideas. "Self depreciation" has always been a favorite kind of humor for me. Probably because it comes so easy to me. But other, the GREAT, often use self depreciation as a method to get their public to react, "Are you kidding? You're GREAT!" Thanks to the likes of Kas, Tullius, and literally thousands of shade tree efforts TRIUMPH can do the same. TRIUMPH's record is GREAT! And there has always been a lot of that 'inside self depreciation humor' among the FOT. I'll bet not everyone knows that our orginal FOT logo, when drawn by Greg Petrolati, used the the passing and debris flags vice passing and checkered. A faded copy of that still sits on the front of my enclosed trailer. But we, rightfully, chose the latter. Burt Levy's books and style sure lend themselves to such tongue in cheek humor. And old Blackhawk Farms racers will tell you that Burt Levy's run in TRIUMPHs was a personification of the perverbial rusty, tacky TR3 nickle rocket. BUT they will also tell you that he went fast. So such self-depreciating humorous, and inside jokes work for TRIUMPH, but in this case, I vote with Tony (and others) that we take the High Road and do something classy. I'm in. Bill Dentinger From igofaster at att.net Thu Dec 20 08:39:08 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 07:39:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> References: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> Message-ID: <1356017948.94522.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> As far a coil overs on the rear of a GT6? I'm not an engineer buy on the MKII and MKIII the shock towere is on the inside of the wheel well... I don't think there is enough clearance without major modification to the wheel well to adapt a mounting point. I believe the MKI used a shock mount that mounted somewhat to the frame inside the back of the wheel well... I think there is a modification that I bought from Rimmer Brothers a few years ago to attempt this type of mod... it went back and forth with them because there was a bushing size issue or a clearance type issue... they finally refunded the whole purchase price without asking for the bits and pieces back... maybe a few years later (I haven't looked) they got the specifics right.... Bobby ________________________________ From: Christopher Bock To: Vince G Cc: FOT List Sent: Wed, December 19, 2012 10:52:37 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear I did see the conversion from PRI. It looks sweet and cool. If I had the green I would go for it. But... What about using coil overs and just a single leaf. Use the coil over to do the ride hight and ride control and let the leaf do the suspension geometry movements. Any thoughts on how that might work? Isn't there a picture and a small comment about this in one of Kas books? Chris On Dec 19, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Vince G wrote: > Charles, there are some set ups out there for the GT6 if you want a completely > new/more modern set up. I think PRI sells what looks like a good conversion. > > Im on a budget so I took the 15 dollar route and simply added a helper spring > to the top of the tired old transverse leaf stack. I bought a 2000# trailer > spring at princess auto, used the longest leaf, de-arched it to achieve a > lower ride height and slipped it under the top plate that bolts down onto leaf > set up. It was simple, cheap and easy to install and works really well. It's > nice that I didn't even have to pull the main leaf out in order to do this and > could out the helper easily and adjust the arch if need be. > > I left in the rotoflex setup and run on performance street tires. I figure I'm > less likely to break a hub or axle that way but that's just my opinion. When > I have a few grand to blow I may do the rear conversion. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-12-19, at 9:05 AM, "Charles WATSON" wrote: > >> Friends: >> >> I see a lot of folks in various marquees (including Triumphs) using > coil-over >> shocks in the rear to supplement a tired leaf-spring. I noticed Ratco is >> selling this as an upgrade to the TR suspension. My question, especially > with >> regard to a rotoflex axle in my GT6 is, why not? >> >> benefits seem to be: >> - spring travels same path as shock >> - easily adjustable spring rate and height >> >> downsides: >> - possible space limitations (probably avoidable when going from donut to > CV) >> - what am I missing??? >> >> If you're redoing the entire suspension anyway, is this not a good way to > go? >> And if not, has anyone tried the composite "leaf" springs and saved the > 40-50 >> lbs of steel? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Watson >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From chasgee at aol.com Thu Dec 20 08:44:24 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 07:44:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: <1356017948.94522.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> <1356017948.94522.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just use the Spitfire mounting points to get the clearance. You might need to find the brackets that mount to the frame. Chuck On Dec 20, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > As far a coil overs on the rear of a GT6? I'm not an engineer buy on the MKII > and MKIII the shock towere is on the inside of the wheel well... I don't think > there is enough clearance without major modification to the wheel well to adapt > a mounting point. > I believe the MKI used a shock mount that mounted somewhat to the frame inside > the back of the wheel well... I think there is a modification that I bought from > Rimmer Brothers a few years ago to attempt this type of mod... it went back and > forth with them because there was a bushing size issue or a clearance type > issue... they finally refunded the whole purchase price without asking for the > bits and pieces back... maybe a few years later (I haven't looked) they got the > specifics right.... > > Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Christopher Bock > To: Vince G > Cc: FOT List > Sent: Wed, December 19, 2012 10:52:37 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear > > I did see the conversion from PRI. It looks sweet and cool. If I had the > green I would go for it. > > But... > > What about using coil overs and just a single leaf. Use the coil over to do > the ride hight and ride control and let the leaf do the suspension geometry > movements. > > Any thoughts on how that might work? > > Isn't there a picture and a small comment about this in one of Kas books? > > Chris > > On Dec 19, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Vince G wrote: > >> Charles, there are some set ups out there for the GT6 if you want a > completely >> new/more modern set up. I think PRI sells what looks like a good > conversion. >> >> Im on a budget so I took the 15 dollar route and simply added a helper > spring >> to the top of the tired old transverse leaf stack. I bought a 2000# trailer >> spring at princess auto, used the longest leaf, de-arched it to achieve a >> lower ride height and slipped it under the top plate that bolts down onto > leaf >> set up. It was simple, cheap and easy to install and works really well. > It's >> nice that I didn't even have to pull the main leaf out in order to do this > and >> could out the helper easily and adjust the arch if need be. >> >> I left in the rotoflex setup and run on performance street tires. I figure > I'm >> less likely to break a hub or axle that way but that's just my opinion. > When >> I have a few grand to blow I may do the rear conversion. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 2012-12-19, at 9:05 AM, "Charles WATSON" wrote: >> >>> Friends: >>> >>> I see a lot of folks in various marquees (including Triumphs) using >> coil-over >>> shocks in the rear to supplement a tired leaf-spring. I noticed Ratco is >>> selling this as an upgrade to the TR suspension. My question, especially >> with >>> regard to a rotoflex axle in my GT6 is, why not? >>> >>> benefits seem to be: >>> - spring travels same path as shock >>> - easily adjustable spring rate and height >>> >>> downsides: >>> - possible space limitations (probably avoidable when going from donut to >> CV) >>> - what am I missing??? >>> >>> If you're redoing the entire suspension anyway, is this not a good way to >> go? >>> And if not, has anyone tried the composite "leaf" springs and saved the >> 40-50 >>> lbs of steel? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck Watson >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Dec 20 08:52:09 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:52:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: References: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> <1356017948.94522.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E8054F6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> I feel sure Joe Curry will chime in here, but some part of that solution might be what's available on his web page. http://spitlist.info/Shock.Mounts.htm No provision for coil-overs there, though there might be enough space with street tires. For my street GT6, I've been contemplating this issue. The rear spring needs replacing - again. I've owned the car for 16 years and I've replaced the spring at least twice, maybe three times already. Gotta go for one of those composite springs this time, or some sort of coil-over solution. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Gee Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:44 AM To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear Just use the Spitfire mounting points to get the clearance. You might need to find the brackets that mount to the frame. Chuck From igofaster at att.net Thu Dec 20 09:07:09 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:07:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1356019629.62870.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I've got a beautiful block with internal modified ventilation.... how about that? he, we can't beat ourselves up too much... my friend Lou Merchant built a beautiful MGA for her daughter to run...three weekends and a block 'ventilated' on both side with holes large enough to fit a fist through... so.. it's not all Triumphs!! there... Merry Christmas ya'll! Bobby ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, December 19, 2012 6:47:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to other marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. My vote is we do something for them. Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "Doug Mitchell" Cc: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > Burt said: > Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany > of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you > still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating > members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole > through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much > appreciated! > > I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we > should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > Ideas? Henry, what do you think? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Dec 20 09:33:26 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:33:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <1356019629.62870.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net><61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> <1356019629.62870.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7440D8C9B7264E348EE68EFB9862EE7F@gdhs.local> I can contribute a 4 block ventilated on both sides John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:07 AM To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? I've got a beautiful block with internal modified ventilation.... how about that? he, we can't beat ourselves up too much... my friend Lou Merchant built a beautiful MGA for her daughter to run...three weekends and a block 'ventilated' on both side with holes large enough to fit a fist through... so.. it's not all Triumphs!! there... Merry Christmas ya'll! Bobby ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, December 19, 2012 6:47:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to other marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. My vote is we do something for them. Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "Doug Mitchell" Cc: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > Burt said: > Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany > of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you > still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating > members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole > through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much > appreciated! > > I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we > should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > Ideas? Henry, what do you think? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu Dec 20 09:37:32 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:37:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 73, Issue 41-Coil Overs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My sons street use 1500 Spit has Monroe Coil over shock booster springs along with the stock leaf spring. The sag is gone, it feels pretty firm and I don't see any clearance issues, but it's obviously not a Rotoflex. I don't know yet how well it works, we bought the car like that and took to get painted last weekend. mike G. Michael Harmuth From list at mackenzie.aero Thu Dec 20 09:47:59 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:47:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 73, Issue 41-Coil Overs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001d01cdded1$c617c4b0$52474e10$@aero> I have the same set up on my street Spit 1500. It works great and is the perfect balance for street and AutoX. If the rear end sits too high you can trim the coil to adjust the height. At something like $60 a pair [Autozone] it is also a sweet deal. Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '78 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Harmuth Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:38 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 73, Issue 41-Coil Overs My sons street use 1500 Spit has Monroe Coil over shock booster springs along with the stock leaf spring. The sag is gone, it feels pretty firm and I don't see any clearance issues, but it's obviously not a Rotoflex. I don't know yet how well it works, we bought the car like that and took to get painted last weekend. mike G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Dec 20 11:11:56 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:11:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1300 Large Bearing Crank - Small Bearing Crank? Message-ID: <8919AAC2-DC3C-4958-9542-BAA65E7FDBDB@comcast.net> Is it possible to tell if a crank is a large bearing crank or a small bearing crank from just looking at it from the outside and still in the car? The PO couldn't really tell me much about the bottom end of the engine now in my Spit so until I pull this engine I may just have to be curious. Have any of you had a large bearing Spitfire crank modified per Kas's example in the Triumph Prep. Handbook? I believe Dan Hall Machine Inc. in Portland is still around but was wondering if there were other machine shops who the list may have used for the cross drilling, etc. of a large bearing crank. Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From triosan at gmail.com Thu Dec 20 12:35:34 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:35:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Connecting Rods with Relief Holes In-Reply-To: References: <010601cdde59$eeca8dc0$cc5fa940$@asmoothmove.biz> Message-ID: Added FOT to this string -- sorry for those it is a duplicate. Wanted to try to equate the hp number I just got of by car from a DynoJet chassis dyno with the numbers from "back in the day". Found a great article at : http://www.hardtail.com/techtips/hpexplained.html to net it out, as it were: HP before 1972 in US was a gross figure -- engine dyno, no accessories. After 72 SAE HP is engine with accessories -- about a 20% parasitic loss (net SAE) When you factor in rear wheel through drive train with a standard tranny you lose 15% more. My racing TR6 was measured at 172 on the dyno [and running rich] with PI, hottest cam I can get, lots of head work and a Pacesetter exhaust maifold to 2.5" pipe with racing muffler [am putting in a Goodparts header before racing next year]. Using .15 for parasitic loss instead of .2, I get about 202 SAE Net HP and a wopping 238 using 1970 gross SAE values. I seem to recall in one of KAS books they were getting around 240 HP on the engines -- and there gross versus net were probably the same as thee were no "accessories" on the race engine. That seems about right also -- I should pick up some HP with the header and leaning it out and I run about 12.5:1 compression. Think Kas was around 14:1. On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Richard Seaton wrote: > > I'd suggest,If not going over 150hp, then the stock rods will be fine. >> > > Don't forget the factory CP cars were 150 HP in stock form. > > I thought I read the late rods were better??? I must be mistaken. >> > > I've had some lengthy discussions with JK Jackson about this and he was, > adamant that early rods are the better choice. > > I believe the reason that the early rods are better is that they don't > start out with a huge stress riser drilled into the rod at the spot where > the stresses all converge. > > But I've been wrong before. > > ;-) > > rml > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > --------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > --------------- > > ______________________________**__________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/6pack/triosan at gmail.* > *com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Dec 20 12:45:41 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:45:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1300 Large Bearing Crank - Small Bearing Crank? Message-ID: <002f01cddeea$9836e3a0$c8a4aae0$@rr.com> The size of the crank pulley is larger on the later Spit (large crank) as is the securing nut. The easiest way is to look at the engine number. The small crank engines were all FD or FE prefix while the large crank 1296 engines were FK. The 1500 engines were FM prefix. These appear on a tab of casting on the left rear of the block where it meets with the head. Just to make it interesting, the 1147 engine can have it's crank used in a small crank 1296 (FE or FD) by installing a speedy sleeve on the sealing area in the rear. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud R Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 1:12 PM To: fot at autox.team.net List Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1300 Large Bearing Crank - Small Bearing Crank? Is it possible to tell if a crank is a large bearing crank or a small bearing crank from just looking at it from the outside and still in the car? The PO couldn't really tell me much about the bottom end of the engine now in my Spit so until I pull this engine I may just have to be curious. Have any of you had a large bearing Spitfire crank modified per Kas's example in the Triumph Prep. Handbook? I believe Dan Hall Machine Inc. in Portland is still around but was wondering if there were other machine shops who the list may have used for the cross drilling, etc. of a large bearing crank. Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From kaskas at cox.net Thu Dec 20 14:05:39 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:05:39 +0000 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Connecting Rods with Relief Holes In-Reply-To: References: <010601cdde59$eeca8dc0$cc5fa940$@asmoothmove.biz>, , , , Message-ID: All the engines done at the USA Competition Department were with accessories which included water pump and alternator or generator. the same at the factory, but open exhaust with no silencing. The SAE correction factor was and is used by most to compensate for the change in temperature, humidity and barometric pressure. SAE power in DETROIT was always LESS accessories (at least back in the old days). The BHP number I quote is at the FLYWHEEL on the engine dyno. Mysterious things happen to it after that position :-) All of my engines for the Triumph cars used the stock rods modified as I have written. No others were legal under the regulations of 1972 and earlier. My TR-6 engines made 133-138 regularly with 13.0 compression ratio or slightly less as we only had 100 octane gasoline not the present day 110+ race fuel. Making 200 BHP out of the TR-6 engine should be a walk in the park. I did use increased torque values on both the con rods and the mains to stop the caps from fretting. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:35:34 -0800 > From: triosan at gmail.com > To: lang at isis.mit.edu; fot at autox.team.net > CC: 6pack at autox.team.net; rsh17 at msn.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] [6pack] Connecting Rods with Relief Holes > > Added FOT to this string -- sorry for those it is a duplicate. Wanted to > try to equate the hp number I just got of by car from a DynoJet chassis > dyno with the numbers from "back in the day". > > Found a great article at : > http://www.hardtail.com/techtips/hpexplained.html > > to net it out, as it were: > HP before 1972 in US was a gross figure -- engine dyno, no accessories. > After 72 SAE HP is engine with accessories -- about a 20% parasitic loss > (net SAE) > When you factor in rear wheel through drive train with a standard tranny > you lose 15% more. > > My racing TR6 was measured at 172 on the dyno [and running rich] with PI, > hottest cam I can get, lots of head work and a Pacesetter exhaust maifold > to 2.5" pipe with racing muffler [am putting in a Goodparts header before > racing next year]. Using .15 for parasitic loss instead of .2, I get about > 202 SAE Net HP and a wopping 238 using 1970 gross SAE values. I seem to > recall in one of KAS books they were getting around 240 HP on the engines > -- and there gross versus net were probably the same as thee were no > "accessories" on the race engine. That seems about right also -- I should > pick up some HP with the header and leaning it out and I run about 12.5:1 > compression. Think Kas was around 14:1. > > > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > > > On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Richard Seaton wrote: > > > > I'd suggest,If not going over 150hp, then the stock rods will be fine. > >> > > > > Don't forget the factory CP cars were 150 HP in stock form. > > > > I thought I read the late rods were better??? I must be mistaken. > >> > > > > I've had some lengthy discussions with JK Jackson about this and he was, > > adamant that early rods are the better choice. > > > > I believe the reason that the early rods are better is that they don't > > start out with a huge stress riser drilled into the rod at the spot where > > the stresses all converge. > > > > But I've been wrong before. > > > > ;-) > > > > rml > > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > > --------------- > > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > > Former NER Solo Chair | > > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > > --------------- > > > > ______________________________**__________ > > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/6pack/triosan at gmail.* > > *com > > > > > > > > > -- > Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Dec 20 19:21:07 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 20:21:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net> References: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net> Message-ID: I don't know about the Helicoil option. You might be able to convert the "hole" to a short stud with a Helicoil but it may stress the block improperly. FWIW I took apart one block that had a long stud drilled and tapped at the bottom through the block and locked in place that way. It was also drilled for a set screw from the side. It wasn't a running engine but it looked like it had worked. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2012, at 6:48 PM, "M&M Hado" wrote: > I was just finishing up a TR2 engine rebuild and one of the 9.5" studs > stripped the threads in the block at the bottom of the 4" hole when I got to > about 70 ft-lb. Has anyone successfully put a HeliCoil at the bottom of > this hole? > > The original size of the hole in the block is about 17/32" (just enough to > accommodate the 1/2" stud, of course) and this happens to be the tap drill > size for the 1/2-13 HeliCoil. The OD of the HeliCoil itself is about .615" > so that means I would have to drill out the hole in the block to something > larger than this - say 5/8" and save about an inch at the bottom for tapping > for the HeliCoil. I'm wondering if there is enough meat in the block to > drill out the hole to 5/8". > > Having gone this far, I really would like to save this block so any > ideas/hints/experience would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Mike Hado > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From mhado at att.net Thu Dec 20 20:34:50 2012 From: mhado at att.net (M&M Hado) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:34:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: References: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net> Message-ID: <00ef01cddf2c$226b39e0$6741ada0$@att.net> Thanks, Bob. I have decided to put the HeliCoil at the top of the hole and use a short stud. The existing hole is already the exact size for the HeliCoil tap so the installation was easy. I torqued it up and looks to be OK, so I'm hoping for the best with no resulting block stresses that will cause problems. The owner does not stress the car. Thanks for your suggestions. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer [mailto:rkramer3 at austin.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:21 PM To: mhado at att.net Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs I don't know about the Helicoil option. You might be able to convert the "hole" to a short stud with a Helicoil but it may stress the block improperly. FWIW I took apart one block that had a long stud drilled and tapped at the bottom through the block and locked in place that way. It was also drilled for a set screw from the side. It wasn't a running engine but it looked like it had worked. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2012, at 6:48 PM, "M&M Hado" wrote: > I was just finishing up a TR2 engine rebuild and one of the 9.5" studs > stripped the threads in the block at the bottom of the 4" hole when I > got to about 70 ft-lb. Has anyone successfully put a HeliCoil at the > bottom of this hole? > > The original size of the hole in the block is about 17/32" (just > enough to accommodate the 1/2" stud, of course) and this happens to be > the tap drill size for the 1/2-13 HeliCoil. The OD of the HeliCoil itself is about .615" > so that means I would have to drill out the hole in the block to > something larger than this - say 5/8" and save about an inch at the > bottom for tapping for the HeliCoil. I'm wondering if there is enough > meat in the block to drill out the hole to 5/8". > > Having gone this far, I really would like to save this block so any > ideas/hints/experience would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Mike Hado > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From robertten1 at aol.com Thu Dec 20 21:15:17 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 23:15:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Composite Spring Message-ID: <8CFAD48EA8ACD9D-A94-39120@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> Ooops ! Someone on here asked about manufacturer of composite leaf springs. I bought mine from Flex-A-Form ( 864-261-7006 ) was just over $300. Mine is for my Spit GT its super light and is rated at 250 lb. I believe some one on the list had one for sale awhile back. Cheers & good luck, Bob T. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Dec 21 05:36:41 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 13:36:41 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: <00ef01cddf2c$226b39e0$6741ada0$@att.net> References: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net> <00ef01cddf2c$226b39e0$6741ada0$@att.net> Message-ID: <002701cddf77$d68cb3e0$83a61ba0$@com> If that would be good to set the bolt upstairs to the block to the factory would have done it back in the days - shorter bolts are cheaper ;-) I once did cure the problem this way. I drilled out the hole to fit a M18 sleeve. The inside was prepared for the stud to fit down in the block. The outside was fitted with the M18 thread over the whole length. The sleeve was run in with epoxy and the little protrusion was removed very gently with a fine file. Example for a short sleeve: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Mc_c4IxD4NY/UNRWKwzstaI/AAAAAAAABk4/cEYb7 NrE2as/s985/DSCN1569.JPG -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von M&M Hado Gesendet: Freitag, 21. Dezember 2012 04:35 An: 'Bob Kramer' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs Thanks, Bob. I have decided to put the HeliCoil at the top of the hole and use a short stud. The existing hole is already the exact size for the HeliCoil tap so the installation was easy. I torqued it up and looks to be OK, so I'm hoping for the best with no resulting block stresses that will cause problems. The owner does not stress the car. Thanks for your suggestions. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer [mailto:rkramer3 at austin.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:21 PM To: mhado at att.net Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs I don't know about the Helicoil option. You might be able to convert the "hole" to a short stud with a Helicoil but it may stress the block improperly. FWIW I took apart one block that had a long stud drilled and tapped at the bottom through the block and locked in place that way. It was also drilled for a set screw from the side. It wasn't a running engine but it looked like it had worked. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2012, at 6:48 PM, "M&M Hado" wrote: > I was just finishing up a TR2 engine rebuild and one of the 9.5" studs > stripped the threads in the block at the bottom of the 4" hole when I > got to about 70 ft-lb. Has anyone successfully put a HeliCoil at the > bottom of this hole? > > The original size of the hole in the block is about 17/32" (just > enough to accommodate the 1/2" stud, of course) and this happens to be > the tap drill size for the 1/2-13 HeliCoil. The OD of the HeliCoil > itself is about .615" > so that means I would have to drill out the hole in the block to > something larger than this - say 5/8" and save about an inch at the > bottom for tapping for the HeliCoil. I'm wondering if there is enough > meat in the block to drill out the hole to 5/8". > > Having gone this far, I really would like to save this block so any > ideas/hints/experience would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Mike Hado > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From riverside at southslope.net Fri Dec 21 08:24:54 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:24:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <7440D8C9B7264E348EE68EFB9862EE7F@gdhs.local> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net><61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local><1356019629.62870.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <7440D8C9B7264E348EE68EFB9862EE7F@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <964448E156624D37A6512114BF03CB8B@rileyPC> sadly, I can contribute a beautifully ventilated 86mm venolia piston. upside: it is easy to move around art de armond -----Original Message----- From: john hasty Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:33 AM To: 'Bobby Whitehead' ; yellow04 at tr4racer.com Cc: 'FoT Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? I can contribute a 4 block ventilated on both sides John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. 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I've got a beautiful block with internal modified ventilation.... how about that? he, we can't beat ourselves up too much... my friend Lou Merchant built a beautiful MGA for her daughter to run...three weekends and a block 'ventilated' on both side with holes large enough to fit a fist through... so.. it's not all Triumphs!! there... Merry Christmas ya'll! Bobby ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, December 19, 2012 6:47:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to other marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. My vote is we do something for them. Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "Doug Mitchell" Cc: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > Burt said: > Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany > of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you > still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating > members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole > through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much > appreciated! > > I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we > should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > Ideas? Henry, what do you think? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5972 - Release Date: 12/19/12 From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 21 09:09:17 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:09:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] PICTURES OF THE ICONIC ROAD AMERICA PAGODA SOUGHT Message-ID: <8CFADACA9606733-1B04-3C1FF@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> FOT: I am looking for full frontal views of the old T & S PAGODA at ROAD AMERICA. Any offerings and sources would be greatly appreciated. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 21 11:18:17 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 13:18:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] PAGODA REQUEST THANKS...I think I have all I need for research Message-ID: <8CFADBEAEE44331-1B04-3D10B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Dec 21 13:06:35 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:06:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: <002701cddf77$d68cb3e0$83a61ba0$@com> References: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net> <00ef01cddf2c$226b39e0$6741ada0$@att.net> <002701cddf77$d68cb3e0$83a61ba0$@com> Message-ID: The factory did make them short -- on the Standard Vanguard engine that preceded the TR engine. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 (had the Vanguard engine when new) On Dec 21, 2012, at 6:36 AM, MadMarx wrote: > If that would be good to set the bolt upstairs to the block to the factory > would have done it back in the days - shorter bolts are cheaper ;-) From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Dec 21 16:45:08 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:45:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3963D0D9-4BC7-4174-B05F-4DB496C11DAE@gmail.com> The Standard Vanguard was 2088 cc's and power rating was 68 hp at 4300 rpm, whereas the 1990 cc TR2 engine (same stroke, 1mm smaller bore) produced 90 hp at 4800 rpm. I have read a story about Standard factory engineers visiting Australian David van Dal after getting wind of the level of power he claimed to have wrung out of the Standard Vanguard in his early Morgan Plus Four. Dubious at first, apparently they learned something from this innovative racer. I'm not sure about the stud diameter, but it seems likely they were upgraded too. Duncan On Dec 21, 2012, at 3:47 PM, Randall wrote: >> The factory did make them short -- on the Standard Vanguard >> engine that preceded the TR engine. > > Didn't it also use smaller studs, and make about half as much power? > > -- Randall From igofaster at att.net Fri Dec 21 18:43:07 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:43:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] da bomb Message-ID: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> JOE A. ...you da BOMB ! thanks for the videos ! haven't watched The Bomb yet but you know what? I do get to watch the ->California Air<- video again and further note... I'd rather push a Triumph than drive a Cadillac... even though my GT-6+ had self ventilated, I have a signed Triumph by Kas Kastner on that video production... Kas, you and Peggy were so very gracious to me after I sought you out at the Mitty. My engine was blown and I asked you "should you sign it ready to push?" .. with a small thought you graciously responded and signed, "how about 'Racing Soon, Kas Kastner' ...a smiling memory for me for my lifetime ... How cool is that? I get all weepy and sappy around this time of year, as this year comes to close so here if you don't like the love.... Thank you all my friends with the love of Triumph's in your heart for being , dare I boast , one of us! Merry Christmas Ya'll ~! Love from Texas, Bobby From mark at bradakis.com Fri Dec 21 18:50:35 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:50:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] da bomb In-Reply-To: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50D511EB.8070001@bradakis.com> Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Thank you all my friends with the love of Triumph's in your heart for being , > dare I boast , one of us! > Amen to that! mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Fri Dec 21 18:52:05 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:52:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Out of town Message-ID: <50D51245.8020109@bradakis.com> I'll be in down in Orange County for a bit visiting family, so if the server blows up while I am gone I won't be able to do much. mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Fri Dec 21 18:53:40 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:53:40 -0800 Subject: [Fot] da bomb References: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50D511EB.8070001@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1049DD61120A4DADAF79F1E9B5BAF0CF@Bud> Rock on Triumph owners!! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] da bomb > Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> Thank you all my friends with the love of Triumph's in your heart for >> being , >> dare I boast , one of us! >> > > Amen to that! > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 21 19:12:57 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:12:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] da bomb In-Reply-To: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFAE00FE31FB87-1964-3F7A0@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> no Bobby....you be "da BOMB......." Notes: KCUP 2013 looks like a record year for GT6 and Spitfire Entries. North American Spitfire Squadron is planning on making KCUP a regional meet. GT6 & Spitfire magazine will be there to do your stories and take your pictures. Bobby, bring your guitar and we will find electricity. Bring your CALIFORNIA AIR, too. John Clancy plans to be with us. He will sign it for you. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: Joe Alexander Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:43 pm Subject: da bomb JOE A. ...you da BOMB ! thanks for the videos ! haven't watched The Bomb yet but you know what? I do get to watch the ->California Air<- video again and further note... I'd rather push a Triumph than drive a Cadillac... even though my GT-6+ had self ventilated, I have a signed Triumph by Kas Kastner on that video production... Kas, you and Peggy were so very gracious to me after I sought you out at the Mitty. My engine was blown and I asked you "should you sign it ready to push?" .. with a small thought you graciously responded and signed, "how about 'Racing Soon, Kas Kastner' ...a smiling memory for me for my lifetime ... How cool is that? I get all weepy and sappy around this time of year, as this year comes to close so here if you don't like the love.... Thank you all my friends with the love of Triumph's in your heart for being , dare I boast , one of us! Merry Christmas Ya'll ~! Love from Texas, Bobby From stutzmans at comcast.net Fri Dec 21 19:18:55 2012 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:18:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: References: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net><00ef01cddf2c$226b39e0$6741ada0$@att.net><002701cddf77$d68cb3e0$83a61ba0$@com> Message-ID: <476980F46761412CA5F72BCF0AF82F19@ComputerPC> One of the many modifications made when the 68 hp. Vangard engine was being modified for the 90 hp. TR2, was changing the block casting so longer studs could be screwed deeper into the block. The block was cracking at the original short stud holes. So, good luck Mike. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Charlton" To: "FOT at autox.team.net Triumph" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs > The factory did make them short -- on the Standard Vanguard engine that > preceded the TR engine. > > Duncan > (Texas) > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 (had the Vanguard engine when new) > > > On Dec 21, 2012, at 6:36 AM, MadMarx wrote: > >> If that would be good to set the bolt upstairs to the block to the >> factory >> would have done it back in the days - shorter bolts are cheaper ;-) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Fri Dec 21 19:21:23 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:21:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <60742FD3C9AB4A0A8604F5BAF9B3BABE@Bud> Hi Gang..I would like to nominate Bob Greer of Sonoma, CA to FOT..Bob has been vintage racing for about 20 years in an MGB and before that an Austin Healey.. Bob is now doing a complete restoration of a street Mk2 Spitfire.. I'm not real sure how to get him started with the gang His email is robonglen at yahoo.com thanks Racer Bud Spitfire #21 From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 21 19:27:22 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:27:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <60742FD3C9AB4A0A8604F5BAF9B3BABE@Bud> References: <60742FD3C9AB4A0A8604F5BAF9B3BABE@Bud> Message-ID: <8CFAE03022C006A-1964-3F84D@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> Another Spitfire? Outstanding! Mark, can you add him before you leave for CA? Welcome aboard! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD To: fot Cc: BOB SURFBUM GREER Sent: Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:22 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination Hi Gang..I would like to nominate Bob Greer of Sonoma, CA to FOT..Bob has been vintage racing for about 20 years in an MGB and before that an Austin Healey.. Bob is now doing a complete restoration of a street Mk2 Spitfire.. I'm not real sure how to get him started with the gang His email is robonglen at yahoo.com thanks Racer Bud Spitfire #21 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From mark at bradakis.com Fri Dec 21 20:01:27 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 20:01:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <60742FD3C9AB4A0A8604F5BAF9B3BABE@Bud> References: <60742FD3C9AB4A0A8604F5BAF9B3BABE@Bud> Message-ID: <50D52287.3000706@bradakis.com> Done deal. mjb. From mhado at att.net Fri Dec 21 20:26:16 2012 From: mhado at att.net (M&M Hado) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:26:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: <476980F46761412CA5F72BCF0AF82F19@ComputerPC> References: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net><00ef01cddf2c$226b39e0$6741ada0$@att.net><002701cddf77$d68cb3e0$83a61ba0$@com> <476980F46761412CA5F72BCF0AF82F19@ComputerPC> Message-ID: <010801cddff4$1a45aac0$4ed10040$@att.net> I'm crossing my fingers, but I think it will be fine. Thanks for all the input from everyone. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stutzmans Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 8:19 PM To: Duncan Charlton; FOT at autox.team.net Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs One of the many modifications made when the 68 hp. Vangard engine was being modified for the 90 hp. TR2, was changing the block casting so longer studs could be screwed deeper into the block. The block was cracking at the original short stud holes. So, good luck Mike. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Charlton" To: "FOT at autox.team.net Triumph" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs > The factory did make them short -- on the Standard Vanguard engine > that preceded the TR engine. > > Duncan > (Texas) > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 (had the Vanguard engine when new) > > > On Dec 21, 2012, at 6:36 AM, MadMarx wrote: > >> If that would be good to set the bolt upstairs to the block to the >> factory would have done it back in the days - shorter bolts are >> cheaper ;-) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mhado at att.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Dec 21 14:47:46 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 13:47:46 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > The factory did make them short -- on the Standard Vanguard > engine that preceded the TR engine. Didn't it also use smaller studs, and make about half as much power? -- Randall From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Dec 22 03:23:30 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 05:23:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cheers, MJB! References: <50D51245.8020109@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <4DDEFA24004F45A480FBC38F5C6BFBC3@TRIUMPH.local> Mark, Thanks again for all you do for us, enjoy your time away. Tis the season for good tidings and cheer, and spreading some of it towards the team.net server fund helps keep things going, and helps with stocking Mark's fridge with festive beverages. That's always important, especially this time of year! Think about clicking the donate link at the bottom of this message. The hours Mark volunteers to all this happen for us is something we are ALL thankful for. Happy Holidays! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 8:52 PM Subject: [Fot] Out of town > I'll be in down in Orange County for a bit visiting family, so if the > server > blows up while I am gone I won't be able to do much. > > mjb. From stocktontr4 at gmail.com Sat Dec 22 11:09:01 2012 From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com (dick stockton) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:09:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FS: TR7/Saab valve adjusting pads Message-ID: Leftover from my shop days. Many assorted TR7 valve adjusting pads. Email for a photo. Make an offer. Thanks. From bownes at seiri.com Sat Dec 22 11:29:12 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:29:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Data logging Message-ID: For those that are looking for a nice little data logging system, these folks are looking to get their project funded. http://www.indiegogo.com/RaceCapture?c=activity Bob From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sat Dec 22 12:42:12 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:42:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] da bomb In-Reply-To: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Bobby, Sent from my iPhone On Dec 21, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > JOE A. ...you da BOMB ! thanks for the videos ! > haven't watched The Bomb yet but you know what? I do get to watch the > ->California Air<- video again and further note... I'd rather push a Triumph > than drive a Cadillac... even though my GT-6+ had self ventilated, I have a > signed Triumph by Kas Kastner on that video production... > > Kas, you and Peggy were so very gracious to me after I sought you out at the > Mitty. My engine was blown and I asked you "should you sign it ready to push?" > .. with a small thought you graciously responded and signed, "how about 'Racing > Soon, Kas Kastner' ...a smiling memory for me for my lifetime ... How cool is > that? I get all weepy and sappy around this time of year, as this year comes to > close so here if you don't like the love.... > > Thank you all my friends with the love of Triumph's in your heart for being , > dare I boast , one of us! > > Merry Christmas Ya'll ~! > > Love from Texas, Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sat Dec 22 12:50:35 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:50:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] da bomb In-Reply-To: References: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0CA3E164-467C-41C2-B153-8FB096022314@yahoo.com> Sorry FOT, Hit send at the wrong time, dang old eyes and small phone screens! Merry Christmas to all! Mike Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2012, at 1:42 PM, Mike Munson wrote: > Hey Bobby, > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 21, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> JOE A. ...you da BOMB ! thanks for the videos ! >> haven't watched The Bomb yet but you know what? I do get to watch the >> ->California Air<- video again and further note... I'd rather push a > Triumph >> than drive a Cadillac... even though my GT-6+ had self ventilated, I have a >> signed Triumph by Kas Kastner on that video production... >> >> Kas, you and Peggy were so very gracious to me after I sought you out at the >> Mitty. My engine was blown and I asked you "should you sign it ready to > push?" >> .. with a small thought you graciously responded and signed, "how about > 'Racing >> Soon, Kas Kastner' ...a smiling memory for me for my lifetime ... How cool > is >> that? I get all weepy and sappy around this time of year, as this year comes > to >> close so here if you don't like the love.... >> >> Thank you all my friends with the love of Triumph's in your heart for being > , >> dare I boast , one of us! >> >> Merry Christmas Ya'll ~! >> >> Love from Texas, Bobby >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From levilevi at comcast.net Sat Dec 22 16:18:50 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:18:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1300 Camshaft 88812 Crankshaft 43398 Message-ID: <4A371F35-031C-4FE6-8D41-843132DD3591@comcast.net> The only marking on the spare camshaft I'm checking out is a stamped 88312. The spare crankshaft (large bearing) is stamped 43398. I've done some searches but found nothing definitive. Anyone know what these numbers might indicate as far as make, model, specs, etc. for either one? Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 22 17:07:43 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:07:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Idle Chatter Message-ID: <3DECF430-9CB9-4B67-929C-B206F50AD47D@sbcglobal.net> A M I C I & Friends I made the cover of my 1100 club magazine. Check it out. www.the1100club.com Dennis From igofaster at att.net Sat Dec 22 18:46:38 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 17:46:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Dave Brouwer also commented on your Wall post. Message-ID: <1356227198.50786.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Not TRIUMPH.... but racing....cool link with the hardware! will this link work? my buddy Dave got the link with the Traqmate and GoPro figured out.. Bobby http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HWwuavBXXE From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Dec 23 13:21:48 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:21:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FOT TRIVIA SAM HALKIAS AND RICHARD TAYLOR SHARE THE SAME BIRTH DATES today........ Message-ID: <8CFAF62455B22B5-80C-48154@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> Pretty useless info, I guess. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Dec 23 14:18:24 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 16:18:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FOT TRIVIA SAM HALKIAS AND RICHARD TAYLOR SHARE THE SAME BIRTH DATE... Message-ID: In a message dated 12/23/2012 2:21:57 PM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > Pretty useless info, I guess. > What are you talking about? That's critical information that comes up in TRIVIA PURSUIT competition all the time. MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR. Bill (Damdinger) From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sun Dec 23 19:00:04 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 18:00:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] FOT TRIVIA SAM HALKIAS AND RICHARD TAYLOR SHARE THE SAME BIRTH DATE... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1356314404.10096.YahooMailNeo@web120704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Sam and his lovely wife Carol share the same birthday as well. Mike ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT TRIVIA SAM HALKIAS AND RICHARD TAYLOR SHARE THE SAME BIRTH DATE... In a message dated 12/23/2012 2:21:57 PM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > Pretty useless info, I guess. > What are you talking about? That's critical information that comes up in TRIVIA PURSUIT competition all the time. MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From kaskas at cox.net Sun Dec 23 19:39:21 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 02:39:21 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Crankshafts Message-ID: So I went into the garage today and was going to move some sections of old railroad rail iron into the yard, but there were a bunch of little guys beating the crap out of this iron with hammers making old iron into crankshafts for Triumph engines. Whoa, these are serious Elves. Got your order in? Not too late to ask. Never be beaten by equipment From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Dec 23 20:32:52 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 22:32:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedge Fiberglass Parts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Passing on some info that was given to me. There is a guy in the Cleveland Ohio area that has some new TR7/8 fiberglass front fenders and hoods for sale at $100 each. His name is Eric at 216-281-4048. Contact him direct for more info. I have no first hand knowledge of him or the fenders. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 24 08:11:25 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:11:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Crankshafts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK! I'll take one. Peace all. On Dec 23, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > net From igofaster at att.net Mon Dec 24 08:21:28 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:21:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Crankshafts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1356362488.96489.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I've been pretty good this year and would love a billet crank for my GT6 under the tree.... however, I don't think anybody makes one unless it's one off primo dinereo .. Merry Christmas Peggy and KAS and my family with F.o.T. ! Bobby ________________________________ From: Kas Kastner To: fot Sent: Sun, December 23, 2012 8:39:52 PM Subject: [Fot] Crankshafts So I went into the garage today and was going to move some sections of old railroad rail iron into the yard, but there were a bunch of little guys beating the crap out of this iron with hammers making old iron into crankshafts for Triumph engines. Whoa, these are serious Elves. Got your order in? Not too late to ask. Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Mon Dec 24 08:34:07 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:34:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all Message-ID: <1356363247.87089.YahooMailClassic@web162203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 25 09:29:06 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 08:29:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Merry Christmas Message-ID: <1356452946.8129.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Merry Christmas to all of my new found Friends of Triumph! I will be reading my signed copy of Kas Kastner's Triumph Prep Handbook! Have a great holiday...Shawn, Tammy, and Ethyn Frank From budscars at comcast.net Tue Dec 25 09:44:48 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 08:44:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Merry Christmas References: <1356452946.8129.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2A6B6441AC9C45DE9962384DA43E7AD5@Bud> Merry Christmas Shawn and all of FOT Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Frank" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 8:29 AM Subject: [Fot] Merry Christmas > Merry Christmas to all of my new found Friends of Triumph! I will be > reading my signed copy of Kas Kastner's Triumph Prep Handbook! Have a > great holiday...Shawn, Tammy, and Ethyn Frank > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Tue Dec 25 13:33:03 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 13:33:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. Message-ID: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/vintage-racing-shakeups/ Nice pic gents. Happy Holidays. Ty From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Dec 25 13:51:16 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 12:51:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. In-Reply-To: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1356468676.95473.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Photos tell a whole story. Bob Kramer and Greg Blake appear to have their attention on something other than the upcoming race. Merry Xmas to all! -Ed- --- On Tue, 12/25/12, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote: From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. To: "jason at multivintage.com" Cc: "Triumph Friends of" Date: Tuesday, December 25, 2012, 2:33 PM http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/vintage-racing-shakeups/ Nice pic gents. Happy Holidays. Ty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 25 14:07:55 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:07:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Just saw a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. The KASTNER CUP at The Mitty 2012 In-Reply-To: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> References: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFB0FB0A50E9BA-96C-536C0@webmail-d050.sysops.aol.com> and many are recognizable.......plus please note one of the grid girls. Classic Motorsports orchestrated the big fanfare at the STARTING GRID at THE MITTY.....with on site interviews of drivers and organizers. The CLASSIC MOTORSPORTS GRID GIRLS were a nice touch.......Kas and I almost missed it.....curious, we came out of our perch on the hill and rode the golf car in. No one had told us. A failure to communicate. But it went well. I'd like to see us do this at Road America for KCUP 2013. It will require some additional organization, that would include the FOT, VSCDA, and RA......John Houlton, Mike Korneli, and I will discuss and see where it goes. It's a nice feature. We will likely go directly to the podium for awarding of the Kastner Cup....Kas and I have discussed MARQUE AWARDS, and I would like to proceed with that idea. Joe Alexander Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/vintage-racing-shakeups/ Nice pic gents. Happy Holidays. Ty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Dec 24 23:12:20 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 22:12:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] MERRY CHRISTMAS Message-ID: <1356415940.62090.YahooMailClassic@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> It is officially midnight and I am sitting here waiting for Santa to come. To all the wonderful people who make this list so great... have a very Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year. I wish all of you the best this holiday season and in the coming year. Thank you and God bless all of you that have touched my life. -Ed- From budscars at comcast.net Tue Dec 25 14:32:19 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 13:32:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] MERRY CHRISTMAS References: <1356415940.62090.YahooMailClassic@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ed!..Merry Christmas and God Bless You also!... Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 10:12 PM Subject: [Fot] MERRY CHRISTMAS > It is officially midnight and I am sitting here waiting for Santa to come. > To > all the wonderful people who make this list so great... have a very Merry > Christmas and a prosperous New Year. I wish all of you the best this > holiday > season and in the coming year. > Thank you and God bless all of you that have touched my life. > -Ed- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From mark at bradakis.com Tue Dec 25 20:43:03 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 20:43:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Home again Message-ID: <50DA7247.9060602@bradakis.com> Back home again, now to start catching up. mjb. From triosan at gmail.com Tue Dec 25 23:11:04 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 22:11:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. In-Reply-To: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> References: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> Message-ID: That picture, of course, was at pre-grid for the Mitty/Kas Cup race last April at Road Atlanta. I have posted 42 shots I took at the start of that race at https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737956856713038417 I was on the camera platform at the end of the front straight. Chuck On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com < Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com> wrote: > http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/vintage-racing-shakeups/ > > Nice pic gents. > > Happy Holidays. > > Ty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Dec 25 23:58:29 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 22:58:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spotted on Cragslist : Triumph Spitfire Engine and other parts in Anaheim, CA Message-ID: <22.D9.05345.010AAD05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> I don't know anything about this, but thought perhaps someone might be in need of a spare 1200 engine ... http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/pts/3501074058.html Randall From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Dec 23 08:05:02 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:05:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Go-Pro / Traqmate In-Reply-To: <1356227198.50786.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1356227198.50786.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: So how DID you get the Traqmate overlay on the GoPro? I'm intrigued! Cheers, Tony At 07:46 PM 12/22/2012, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >Not TRIUMPH.... but racing....cool link with the hardware! > >will this link work? my buddy Dave got the link with the Traqmate and GoPro >figured out.. > > >Bobby > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HWwuavBXXE >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Wed Dec 26 00:08:54 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 23:08:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spotted on Cragslist : Triumph Spitfire Engine and other parts in Anaheim, CA In-Reply-To: <22.D9.05345.010AAD05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <22.D9.05345.010AAD05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <76D7CF27-071F-426A-BC69-D2C2860DA651@qualityfueltrailers.com> Bought a spare GT6 motor & trans from him. Decent deal for cores. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2012, at 10:59 PM, "Randall" wrote: > I don't know anything about this, but thought perhaps someone might be in > need of a spare 1200 engine ... > > http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/pts/3501074058.html > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Dec 26 06:04:12 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 06:04:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Go-Pro / Traqmate In-Reply-To: <20121226070701.F028240529@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Tony, Traqmate offers the sync cable and software for Go Pro HD. I'm not sure how the sync cable works, I use the chase cam with the traqmate. Jim Gray http://store.traqmate.com/HD-Video-Upgrade-p/930022.htm -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 8:05 AM To: Bobby Whitehead; FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Go-Pro / Traqmate So how DID you get the Traqmate overlay on the GoPro? I'm intrigued! Cheers, Tony At 07:46 PM 12/22/2012, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >Not TRIUMPH.... but racing....cool link with the hardware! > >will this link work? my buddy Dave got the link with the Traqmate and GoPro >figured out.. > > >Bobby > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HWwuavBXXE >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From markvaden at gmail.com Wed Dec 26 08:30:57 2012 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 07:30:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Go-Pro / Traqmate In-Reply-To: <20121226070705.DDF9B40537@autox.team.net> References: <1356227198.50786.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20121226070705.DDF9B40537@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <66A93B94-5795-48F6-B7DF-A9392D30BDE2@gmail.com> Hi Tony, It looks like they used Traqmate's traqstudio program, which costs an additional $199. You can also use software which I wrote and sell (in the hopes of funding my tr4 racing) called DashWare. DashWare is currently on sale for 39.99 at www.DashWare.net. I am admittedly biased, but Dashware offers way more flexibility. Traqmate only has 2 or 3 dashes where as our software has dozens plus the ability to create more. I have already created triumph tr4 dash overlays and they are installed with DashWare. We have a free trial that lets you do everything but write out your final video. Mark Sent from my iPhone On Dec 23, 2012, at 7:05 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > So how DID you get the Traqmate overlay on the GoPro? I'm intrigued! > > Cheers, Tony > > At 07:46 PM 12/22/2012, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> Not TRIUMPH.... but racing....cool link with the hardware! >> >> will this link work? my buddy Dave got the link with the Traqmate and GoPro >> figured out.. >> >> >> Bobby >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HWwuavBXXE >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/markvaden at gmail.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Dec 26 12:12:56 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:12:56 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Go-Pro / Traqmate In-Reply-To: <66A93B94-5795-48F6-B7DF-A9392D30BDE2@gmail.com> References: <1356227198.50786.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20121226070705.DDF9B40537@autox.team.net> <66A93B94-5795-48F6-B7DF-A9392D30BDE2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50DB4C38.3070601@comcast.net> I've just purchased the Dashware software. I used the trial version to synch video from my GoPro and data from my AIM system. It was fun trying out different looks and I'm very happy with the results. My AIM system uses a beacon instead of GPS and it took a while to figure out how to line up the two files, but once I did, it turned out great. On 12/26/2012 7:30 AM, Mark Vaden wrote: > Hi Tony, > > It looks like they used Traqmate's traqstudio program, which costs an > additional $199. > > You can also use software which I wrote and sell (in the hopes of funding my > tr4 racing) called DashWare. DashWare is currently on sale for 39.99 at > www.DashWare.net. I am admittedly biased, but Dashware offers way more > flexibility. Traqmate only has 2 or 3 dashes where as our software has dozens > plus the ability to create more. I have already created triumph tr4 dash > overlays and they are installed with DashWare. We have a free trial that lets > you do everything but write out your final video. > > Mark > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 23, 2012, at 7:05 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > >> So how DID you get the Traqmate overlay on the GoPro? I'm intrigued! >> >> Cheers, Tony >> >> At 07:46 PM 12/22/2012, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>> Not TRIUMPH.... but racing....cool link with the hardware! >>> >>> will this link work? my buddy Dave got the link with the Traqmate and > GoPro >>> figured out.. >>> >>> >>> Bobby >>> >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HWwuavBXXE >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/markvaden at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Dec 26 12:55:15 2012 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:55:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. In-Reply-To: <1356468676.95473.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> <1356468676.95473.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801cde3a2$ecc7da20$c6578e60$@rr.com> The Union Jack of course...did I miss something? Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 2:51 PM To: jason at multivintage.com; Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Cc: Bob Kramer; GregoryBlake; Triumph Friends of; GregoryBlake Subject: Re: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. Photos tell a whole story. Bob Kramer and Greg Blake appear to have their attention on something other than the upcoming race. Merry Xmas to all! -Ed- --- On Tue, 12/25/12, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote: From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. To: "jason at multivintage.com" Cc: "Triumph Friends of" Date: Tuesday, December 25, 2012, 2:33 PM http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/vintage-racing-shakeups/ Nice pic gents. Happy Holidays. Ty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Dec 26 17:54:07 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 19:54:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions Message-ID: A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on the liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head gasket is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could be probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. Question is, do I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove the cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they will be challenging based upon some being stripped already. Thanks, From tr4 at wi.rr.com Wed Dec 26 18:22:34 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 19:22:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <78.4F.23502.ED2ABD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> What I have found through past experience is that with a solid copper head gasket you want the protrusion on the low side of spec and maybe down to .002" The reading you have is way too much for any of the current gaskets. If I surface the top of the block, which is frequently needed I correct the cylinder protrusion by taking off the required length from the seat of the liners. I made a setup on my lathe to make this a fairly easy process since I do a lot of these builds. As far as the crankshaft.... Any reputable crank grinder will as part of the process remove the plugs, grind the crank, thoroughly clean and reinstall new plugs! If you find one that does not follow this process find a new crankshaft grinder. I have noticed a number of decent crank grinders closing shop these days. There are many reasons for this which are understandable in today's economy and lack of engine rebuilds being accomplished. If you do find a good crank grinder spread the word and help these folks out. With the lack of work available and only being able to charge about $250 for a grinding it is very hard to make money when their machines cost around $50k or more. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:54 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on the liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head gasket is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could be probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. Question is, do I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove the cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they will be challenging based upon some being stripped already. Thanks, _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Dec 26 19:03:27 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 19:03:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <78.4F.23502.ED2ABD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: Steve & Marty The copper head gasket could be the shim type gasket. The old shim steel gaskets are now shim copper gaskets and are very soft. On the crank plugs I learned early to ask for them to be removed when I get the crank back. My ex-crank grinder never sent it back clean. Always packed with cuttings & debris. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Yott Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:23 PM To: 'marty sukey'; 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions What I have found through past experience is that with a solid copper head gasket you want the protrusion on the low side of spec and maybe down to .002" The reading you have is way too much for any of the current gaskets. If I surface the top of the block, which is frequently needed I correct the cylinder protrusion by taking off the required length from the seat of the liners. I made a setup on my lathe to make this a fairly easy process since I do a lot of these builds. As far as the crankshaft.... Any reputable crank grinder will as part of the process remove the plugs, grind the crank, thoroughly clean and reinstall new plugs! If you find one that does not follow this process find a new crankshaft grinder. I have noticed a number of decent crank grinders closing shop these days. There are many reasons for this which are understandable in today's economy and lack of engine rebuilds being accomplished. If you do find a good crank grinder spread the word and help these folks out. With the lack of work available and only being able to charge about $250 for a grinding it is very hard to make money when their machines cost around $50k or more. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:54 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on the liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head gasket is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could be probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. Question is, do I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove the cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they will be challenging based upon some being stripped already. Thanks, _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Dec 26 19:35:02 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:35:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <20121227021544.7495D40552@autox.team.net> References: <20121227021544.7495D40552@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <9EC3C3DB-8A2F-46B4-A1CC-3DCA44DC6F13@gdhs.com> Gee whiz guys. Maybe you should consider sending your cranks down here to NASCAR country. These guys do it right. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > Steve & Marty > The copper head gasket could be the shim type gasket. The old shim steel > gaskets are now shim copper gaskets and are very soft. > On the crank plugs I learned early to ask for them to be removed when > I get the crank back. My ex-crank grinder never sent it back clean. > Always packed with cuttings & debris. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Steve Yott > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:23 PM > To: 'marty sukey'; 'FOT' > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > What I have found through past experience is that with a solid copper head > gasket you want the protrusion on the low side of spec and maybe down to > .002" The reading you have is way too much for any of the current gaskets. > If I surface the top of the block, which is frequently needed I correct the > cylinder protrusion by taking off the required length from the seat of the > liners. I made a setup on my lathe to make this a fairly easy process since > I do a lot of these builds. > > As far as the crankshaft.... Any reputable crank grinder will as part of the > process remove the plugs, grind the crank, thoroughly clean and reinstall > new plugs! If you find one that does not follow this process find a new > crankshaft grinder. I have noticed a number of decent crank grinders > closing shop these days. There are many reasons for this which are > understandable in today's economy and lack of engine rebuilds being > accomplished. If you do find a good crank grinder spread the word and help > these folks out. With the lack of work available and only being able to > charge about $250 for a grinding it is very hard to make money when their > machines cost around $50k or more. > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of marty sukey > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:54 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on > the liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a > HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head > gasket is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and > could be probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. > Question is, do I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? > > Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove > the cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. > It looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of > the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they > will be challenging based upon some being stripped already. > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From johnstydo at gmail.com Wed Dec 26 19:35:16 2012 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:35:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. In-Reply-To: <001801cde3a2$ecc7da20$c6578e60$@rr.com> References: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> <1356468676.95473.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001801cde3a2$ecc7da20$c6578e60$@rr.com> Message-ID: John Hastey missed something too! On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > The Union Jack of course...did I miss something? > > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD > Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 2:51 PM > To: jason at multivintage.com; Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > Cc: Bob Kramer; GregoryBlake; Triumph Friends of; GregoryBlake > Subject: Re: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic > Motorsports Article. > > Photos tell a whole story. Bob Kramer and Greg Blake appear to have their > attention on something other than the upcoming race. > Merry Xmas to all! > -Ed- > > --- On Tue, 12/25/12, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > wrote: > > > From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic > Motorsports Article. > To: "jason at multivintage.com" > Cc: "Triumph Friends of" > Date: Tuesday, December 25, 2012, 2:33 PM > > > http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/vintage-racing-shakeups/ > > Nice pic gents. > > Happy Holidays. > > Ty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Dec 26 19:42:58 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (trmarty at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:42:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <9EC3C3DB-8A2F-46B4-A1CC-3DCA44DC6F13@gdhs.com> References: <20121227021544.7495D40552@autox.team.net> <9EC3C3DB-8A2F-46B4-A1CC-3DCA44DC6F13@gdhs.com> Message-ID: Car probably would not be able to turn right any more if we did that :) Marty Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon Wirelessb" -----Original message----- From: John Hasty To: Jim Gray Cc: "" , marty sukey , FOT Sent: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 02:35:02 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions Gee whiz guys. Maybe you should consider sending your cranks down here to NASCAR country. These guys do it right. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > Steve & Marty > The copper head gasket could be the shim type gasket. The old shim steel > gaskets are now shim copper gaskets and are very soft. > On the crank plugs I learned early to ask for them to be removed when > I get the crank back. My ex-crank grinder never sent it back clean. > Always packed with cuttings & debris. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Steve Yott > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:23 PM > To: 'marty sukey'; 'FOT' > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > What I have found through past experience is that with a solid copper head > gasket you want the protrusion on the low side of spec and maybe down to > .002" The reading you have is way too much for any of the current gaskets. > If I surface the top of the block, which is frequently needed I correct the > cylinder protrusion by taking off the required length from the seat of the > liners. I made a setup on my lathe to make this a fairly easy process since > I do a lot of these builds. > > As far as the crankshaft.... Any reputable crank grinder will as part of the > process remove the plugs, grind the crank, thoroughly clean and reinstall > new plugs! If you find one that does not follow this process find a new > crankshaft grinder. I have noticed a number of decent crank grinders > closing shop these days. There are many reasons for this which are > understandable in today's economy and lack of engine rebuilds being > accomplished. If you do find a good crank grinder spread the word and help > these folks out. With the lack of work available and only being able to > charge about $250 for a grinding it is very hard to make money when their > machines cost around $50k or more. > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of marty sukey > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:54 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on > the liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a > HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head > gasket is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and > could be probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. > Question is, do I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? > > Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove > the cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. > It looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of > the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they > will be challenging based upon some being stripped already. > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Wed Dec 26 20:01:18 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:01:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <76.A0.26019.10ABBD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Now that's funny! Steve _____ From: trmarty at hotmail.com [mailto:trmarty at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 8:43 PM To: John Hasty; Jim Gray Cc: ; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions Car probably would not be able to turn right any more if we did that :) Marty Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon WirelessT -----Original message----- From: John Hasty To: Jim Gray Cc: "" , marty sukey , FOT Sent: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 02:35:02 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions Gee whiz guys. Maybe you should consider sending your cranks down here to NASCAR country. These guys do it right. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > Steve & Marty > The copper head gasket could be the shim type gasket. The old shim steel > gaskets are now shim copper gaskets and are very soft. > On the crank plugs I learned early to ask for them to be removed when > I get the crank back. My ex-crank grinder never sent it back clean. > Always packed with cuttings & debris. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Steve Yott > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:23 PM > To: 'marty sukey'; 'FOT' > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > What I have found through past experience is that with a solid copper head > gasket you want the protrusion on the low side of spec and maybe down to > .002" The reading you have is way too much for any of the current gaskets. > If I surface the top of the block, which is frequently needed I correct the > cylinder protrusion by taking off the required length from the seat of the > liners. I made a setup on my lathe to make this a fairly easy process since > I do a lot of these builds. > > As far as the crankshaft.... Any reputable crank grinder will as part of the > process remove the plugs, grind the crank, thoroughly clean and reinstall > new plugs! If you find one that does not follow this process find a new > crankshaft grinder. I have noticed a number of decent crank grinders > closing shop these days. There are many reasons for this which are > understandable in today's economy and lack of engine rebuilds being > accomplished. If you do find a good crank grinder spread the word and help > these folks out. With the lack of work available and only being able to > charge about $250 for a grinding it is very hard to make money when their > machines cost around $50k or more. > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of marty sukey > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:54 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on > the liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a > HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head > gasket is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and > could be probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. > Question is, do I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? > > Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove > the cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. > It looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of > the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they > will be challenging based upon some being stripped already. > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Dec 26 20:45:32 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:45:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <76.A0.26019.10ABBD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <76.A0.26019.10ABBD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: Ok you guys. Remember Sears Point & Watkins Glen & if you are mature enough Riverside oh and 24 hrs @ Daytona. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2012, at 10:01 PM, "Steve Yott" wrote: > Now that's funny! > Steve > > From: trmarty at hotmail.com [mailto:trmarty at hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 8:43 PM > To: John Hasty; Jim Gray > Cc: ; FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > Car probably would not be able to turn right any more if we did that :) > > Marty > > Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon Wirelessb" > > > -----Original message----- > From: John Hasty > To: Jim Gray > Cc: "" , marty sukey , FOT > Sent: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 02:35:02 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > Gee whiz guys. Maybe you should consider sending your cranks down here to NASCAR country. These guys do it right. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 26, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > > > Steve & Marty > > The copper head gasket could be the shim type gasket. The old shim steel > > gaskets are now shim copper gaskets and are very soft. > > On the crank plugs I learned early to ask for them to be removed when > > I get the crank back. My ex-crank grinder never sent it back clean. > > Always packed with cuttings & debris. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of Steve Yott > > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:23 PM > > To: 'marty sukey'; 'FOT' > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > > > What I have found through past experience is that with a solid copper head > > gasket you want the protrusion on the low side of spec and maybe down to > > .002" The reading you have is way too much for any of the current gaskets. > > If I surface the top of the block, which is frequently needed I correct the > > cylinder protrusion by taking off the required length from the seat of the > > liners. I made a setup on my lathe to make this a fairly easy process since > > I do a lot of these builds. > > > > As far as the crankshaft.... Any reputable crank grinder will as part of the > > process remove the plugs, grind the crank, thoroughly clean and reinstall > > new plugs! If you find one that does not follow this process find a new > > crankshaft grinder. I have noticed a number of decent crank grinders > > closing shop these days. There are many reasons for this which are > > understandable in today's economy and lack of engine rebuilds being > > accomplished. If you do find a good crank grinder spread the word and help > > these folks out. With the lack of work available and only being able to > > charge about $250 for a grinding it is very hard to make money when their > > machines cost around $50k or more. > > > > Steve Yott > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of marty sukey > > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:54 PM > > To: FOT > > Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > > > A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on > > the liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a > > HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head > > gasket is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and > > could be probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. > > Question is, do I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? > > > > Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove > > the cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. > > It looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of > > the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they > > will be challenging based upon some being stripped already. > > > > Thanks, > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 26 21:53:04 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:53:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1E641D8B-2D1C-4630-81D0-B2B751D9145B@sbcglobal.net> Marty - I like to make the figure 8 gaskets from sheets of brass with the thickness that will get protrusion into spec. D On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: > A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on the > liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a HP > street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head gasket > is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could be > probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. Question is, do > I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? > > Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove the > cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It > looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of the > hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they will > be challenging based upon some being stripped already. > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Dec 26 18:26:35 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 19:26:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E26F184-11A6-4486-A55A-7C6D4930FA23@austin.rr.com> Make sure you measure protrusion after setting a head on top. I set it all up dry and run nuts down all the studs. You may find out that you have less protrusion than you first measured. The steel figure 8's are stamped and press down to around .0155". If you still have more than .005" you will need to have custom gaskets made. Mordy Dunst "Gasket Works" makes them. Cleaning the crank without pulling the plugs is a guessing game. Get them out before spending money on the crank! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: > A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on the > liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a HP > street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head gasket > is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could be > probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. Question is, do > I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? > > Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove the > cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It > looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of the > hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they will > be challenging based upon some being stripped already. > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 27 09:14:26 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:14:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <8E26F184-11A6-4486-A55A-7C6D4930FA23@austin.rr.com> References: <8E26F184-11A6-4486-A55A-7C6D4930FA23@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <36CBEC8D-BC6D-4723-A2F9-E2FE7E54C35F@sbcglobal.net> Speaking of the figure 8 gasket - what are you all using as a sealant these days? On Dec 26, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Make sure you measure protrusion after setting a head on top. I set it all up > dry and run nuts down all the studs. You may find out that you have less > protrusion than you first measured. The steel figure 8's are stamped and press > down to around .0155". If you still have more than .005" you will need to have > custom gaskets made. Mordy Dunst "Gasket Works" makes them. > > Cleaning the crank without pulling the plugs is a guessing game. Get them out > before spending money on the crank! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: > >> A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on > the >> liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a HP >> street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head > gasket >> is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could > be >> probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. Question is, > do >> I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? >> >> Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove > the >> cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It >> looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of the >> hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they > will >> be challenging based upon some being stripped already. >> >> Thanks, >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From tr4 at wi.rr.com Thu Dec 27 09:45:19 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:45:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <36CBEC8D-BC6D-4723-A2F9-E2FE7E54C35F@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <5E.73.23502.12B7CD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> I use a thin layer of the "Right Stuff".... I put that crap on everything!!!! As per the lady in the hot sauce commercial... Since it takes awhile to get everything in place and bolted down you don't want to use a fast set gasket sealer. I really like the Right Stuff as it will not fail you and does take a little while to setup. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dennis Delap Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:14 AM To: Bob Kramer Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions Speaking of the figure 8 gasket - what are you all using as a sealant these days? On Dec 26, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Make sure you measure protrusion after setting a head on top. I set it > all up > dry and run nuts down all the studs. You may find out that you have > less protrusion than you first measured. The steel figure 8's are > stamped and press > down to around .0155". If you still have more than .005" you will need > to have > custom gaskets made. Mordy Dunst "Gasket Works" makes them. > > Cleaning the crank without pulling the plugs is a guessing game. Get > them out > before spending money on the crank! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: > >> A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am >> working on > the >> liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is >> a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. >> Head > gasket >> is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could > be >> probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. >> Question is, > do >> I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? >> >> Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to >> remove > the >> cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It >> looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple >> of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm >> thinking they > will >> be challenging based upon some being stripped already. >> >> Thanks, >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From koblinger at verizon.net Thu Dec 27 11:18:06 2012 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:18:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] So Cal Machine Shop Recommendation Message-ID: <50DC90DE.2050709@verizon.net> Looking for recommendations for machine work for a GT6 engine. Just typical rebuild work; clean the block, check the crank bore and align bore if needed, turn the crank, balance, etc, etc. Prefer the So. Bay, Redondo, Torrance area or possibly Long Beach. TIA, Kurt Oblinger From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Dec 27 09:48:29 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:48:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <5E.73.23502.12B7CD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <5E.73.23502.12B7CD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <2D0B3B50-897B-4743-9D77-328DC6E262E5@austin.rr.com> I settled on Hylomar blue in a tube. It self heals and I spread it on thin between two fingers. I used to use aerosol Hylomar for head gaskets when it was available. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 27, 2012, at 10:45 AM, "Steve Yott" wrote: > I use a thin layer of the "Right Stuff".... I put that crap on > everything!!!! As per the lady in the hot sauce commercial... > > Since it takes awhile to get everything in place and bolted down you don't > want to use a fast set gasket sealer. I really like the Right Stuff as it > will not fail you and does take a little while to setup. > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Dennis Delap > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:14 AM > To: Bob Kramer > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > Speaking of the figure 8 gasket - what are you all using as a sealant these > days? > > > On Dec 26, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> Make sure you measure protrusion after setting a head on top. I set it >> all > up >> dry and run nuts down all the studs. You may find out that you have >> less protrusion than you first measured. The steel figure 8's are >> stamped and > press >> down to around .0155". If you still have more than .005" you will need >> to > have >> custom gaskets made. Mordy Dunst "Gasket Works" makes them. >> >> Cleaning the crank without pulling the plugs is a guessing game. Get >> them > out >> before spending money on the crank! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: >> >>> A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am >>> working on >> the >>> liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is >>> a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. >>> Head >> gasket >>> is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and > could >> be >>> probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. >>> Question > is, >> do >>> I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? >>> >>> Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to >>> remove >> the >>> cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. > It >>> looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple >>> of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm >>> thinking they >> will >>> be challenging based upon some being stripped already. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From igofaster at att.net Thu Dec 27 18:36:01 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:36:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] So Cal Machine Shop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <50DC90DE.2050709@verizon.net> References: <50DC90DE.2050709@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1356658561.69993.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> also on the hunt for a machine shop that can do the long line boring procedure to allow cam bearings for the GT6... Bobby ________________________________ From: Kurt Oblinger To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Thu, December 27, 2012 12:19:19 PM Subject: [Fot] So Cal Machine Shop Recommendation Looking for recommendations for machine work for a GT6 engine. Just typical rebuild work; clean the block, check the crank bore and align bore if needed, turn the crank, balance, etc, etc. Prefer the So. Bay, Redondo, Torrance area or possibly Long Beach. TIA, Kurt Oblinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Dec 28 04:08:32 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:08:32 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <36CBEC8D-BC6D-4723-A2F9-E2FE7E54C35F@sbcglobal.net> References: <8E26F184-11A6-4486-A55A-7C6D4930FA23@austin.rr.com> <36CBEC8D-BC6D-4723-A2F9-E2FE7E54C35F@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <000c01cde4eb$af528240$0df786c0$@com> As these fig-8 gaskets to corrode quickly I install them in a way that NO water can reach them. A thick layer of silicone on the block surface and a thick layer of silicone on the sleeve foot. Never a drop get past this barrier. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Dennis Delap Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Dezember 2012 17:14 An: Bob Kramer Cc: FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions Speaking of the figure 8 gasket - what are you all using as a sealant these days? On Dec 26, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Make sure you measure protrusion after setting a head on top. I set it > all up > dry and run nuts down all the studs. You may find out that you have > less protrusion than you first measured. The steel figure 8's are > stamped and press > down to around .0155". If you still have more than .005" you will need > to have > custom gaskets made. Mordy Dunst "Gasket Works" makes them. > > Cleaning the crank without pulling the plugs is a guessing game. Get > them out > before spending money on the crank! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: > >> A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am >> working on > the >> liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is >> a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. >> Head > gasket >> is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could > be >> probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. >> Question is, > do >> I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? >> >> Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to >> remove > the >> cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It >> looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple >> of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm >> thinking they > will >> be challenging based upon some being stripped already. >> >> Thanks, >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From levilevi at comcast.net Fri Dec 28 10:16:49 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:16:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <5E.73.23502.12B7CD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <5E.73.23502.12B7CD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <8E4EEEA1-405E-4C21-A075-6D60F4EF8D18@comcast.net> I'm a "Right Stuff" user too. It works great and I've even used it to stop leaks on the outer edge of a timing cover that I didn't have the time or inclination to go through the whole process of removing all the things needed to pull the cover. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Steve Yott wrote: > I use a thin layer of the "Right Stuff".... I put that crap on > everything!!!! As per the lady in the hot sauce commercial... > > Since it takes awhile to get everything in place and bolted down you > don't > want to use a fast set gasket sealer. I really like the Right Stuff > as it > will not fail you and does take a little while to setup. > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Dennis Delap > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:14 AM > To: Bob Kramer > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > Speaking of the figure 8 gasket - what are you all using as a > sealant these > days? > > > On Dec 26, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Bob Kramer > wrote: > >> Make sure you measure protrusion after setting a head on top. I set >> it >> all > up >> dry and run nuts down all the studs. You may find out that you have >> less protrusion than you first measured. The steel figure 8's are >> stamped and > press >> down to around .0155". If you still have more than .005" you will >> need >> to > have >> custom gaskets made. Mordy Dunst "Gasket Works" makes them. >> >> Cleaning the crank without pulling the plugs is a guessing game. Get >> them > out >> before spending money on the crank! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: >> >>> A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am >>> working on >> the >>> liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This >>> is >>> a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new >>> sleeves. >>> Head >> gasket >>> is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel >>> and > could >> be >>> probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. >>> Question > is, >> do >>> I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? >>> >>> Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to >>> remove >> the >>> cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out >>> sufficiently. > It >>> looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple >>> of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm >>> thinking they >> will >>> be challenging based upon some being stripped already. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From kaskas at cox.net Fri Dec 28 15:21:39 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:21:39 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: V-12 DIESEL ENGINE THAT FITS IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND In-Reply-To: <2C0D3EB1-529F-4D0E-8E10-814CCC9F9BDD@mac.com> References: , <2C0D3EB1-529F-4D0E-8E10-814CCC9F9BDD@mac.com> Message-ID: Just when you begain to feel smug about your machining and engine building, you see a master and his acomplishment. Never be beaten by equipment Begin forwarded message: Subject: V-12 DIESEL ENGINE THAT FITS IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND Date: December 28, 2012 12:24:15 PM PST ; YOU HAVE GOT TO WATCH THIS CLIP, ITS AMAZING VIDEO OF TRUE CRAFTSMANSHIP. AN OPERATIONAL V-12 DIESEL ENGINE THAT FITS IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND. This is not CNC Technology; this guy made everything at home on his lathe and drill press. Took 1220 hours to make the 261 pieces. Note the end-loaded crankshaft into the block (like an Offy), 12 individual cylinder heads, TINY rods and pistons, dual "underhead" cams with pushrods to rockers in the heads. And, he did break-in runs using an electric drill driving the crankshaft! Even if you're not an engineer, you'll love this! www.wimp.com/tiniestengine/ From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Dec 28 16:20:56 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 18:20:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: V-12 DIESEL ENGINE THAT FITS IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND In-Reply-To: , <2C0D3EB1-529F-4D0E-8E10-814CCC9F9BDD@mac.com> References: , <2C0D3EB1-529F-4D0E-8E10-814CCC9F9BDD@mac.com> Message-ID: He has also built an amazing radial aircraft engine as well. Both are actually powered by compressed air. If he would connect to a small boiler he would have a very advanced poppet valve steam engine. Incredible piece of work. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Kas Kastner To: fot Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 5:21 PM Subject: [Fot] FW: V-12 DIESEL ENGINE THAT FITS IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND Just when you begain to feel smug about your machining and engine building, you see a master and his acomplishment. Never be beaten by equipment Begin forwarded message: Subject: V-12 DIESEL ENGINE THAT FITS IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND Date: December 28, 2012 12:24:15 PM PST ; YOU HAVE GOT TO WATCH THIS CLIP, ITS AMAZING VIDEO OF TRUE CRAFTSMANSHIP. AN OPERATIONAL V-12 DIESEL ENGINE THAT FITS IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND. This is not CNC Technology; this guy made everything at home on his lathe and drill press. Took 1220 hours to make the 261 pieces. Note the end-loaded crankshaft into the block (like an Offy), 12 individual cylinder heads, TINY rods and pistons, dual "underhead" cams with pushrods to rockers in the heads. And, he did break-in runs using an electric drill driving the crankshaft! Even if you're not an engineer, you'll love this! www.wimp.com/tiniestengine/ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard at msn.com From list at mackenzie.aero Thu Dec 27 15:22:55 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:22:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] So Cal Machine Shop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <50DC90DE.2050709@verizon.net> References: <50DC90DE.2050709@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000f01cde480$b96b5ba0$2c4212e0$@aero> There is only one place to go: Costa Mesa R&D 123 Monte Vista Avenue, Costa Mesa, CA 92627 (949) 631-6376 John Edwards John is an amazing machinist who actually wrote the book on how to re-build engines. John is also famous for his YouTube videos under the name of "fiatnutz" where he showcases some the innovative methods he had developed over the years. Additionally he has developed a custom bee-hive valve spring for use on Spitfire race engines. I have them on one of my heads and he can put them on you GT6 head as well. Some videos for Triumphs: Spitfire Bee-hive springs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLlY0sTYYBY Bee-hive spring retainer mods: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTjApt0hOlk Spitfire con rod mods: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-RkCY4Gl9c Rocker Arm Rebuilding for the Triumph Spitfire : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7APJucC0RD0 I can't say enough good things about John and his work. Robert MacKenzie -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kurt Oblinger Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 12:18 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: [Fot] So Cal Machine Shop Recommendation Looking for recommendations for machine work for a GT6 engine. Just typical rebuild work; clean the block, check the crank bore and align bore if needed, turn the crank, balance, etc, etc. Prefer the So. Bay, Redondo, Torrance area or possibly Long Beach. TIA, Kurt Oblinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Dec 29 14:40:15 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:40:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 to TR6 front suspension swap webpage Message-ID: I finally put together the web page outlining what's necessary to swap the TR-3/4 front suspension for the later TR-6 setup. The page is here: http://www.tonydrews.com/Front_Suspension/tr4_front_suspension_upgrade.htm Cheers, Tony Drews From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Dec 30 18:19:55 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 17:19:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Indy driver passes away Message-ID: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I posted this the other day, but for some reason it didn't get posted to the list. Lets try again. -Ed- --- On Fri, 12/28/12, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: From: EDWARD BARNARD Subject: Indy driver passes away To: "FOT" Date: Friday, December 28, 2012, 11:26 PM For those who follow such happenings, Salt Walther passed away today. He is best known for the terrible crash he was involved in at the start of the '73 500. Kas remembers that very well having seen it from the pit wall while running for his life. Walther never made much of a name for himself beyond the crash, which was one of his three last place finishes out of six starts. -Ed- From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Dec 30 21:22:25 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 21:22:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs Message-ID: Does anyone happen to know where to get the aluminum plugs in the top of the head ? Thanks as always jim g From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Dec 30 12:06:45 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:06:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 to TR6 front suspension swap webpage In-Reply-To: <20121230134242.022C54040B@autox.team.net> References: <20121230134242.022C54040B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: By the way, if you find part of the narrative on the page confusing or have additional feedback, I'm certainly open to constructive criticism. I'd like the page to be a reference source for this swap, and any additional info / better descriptions of what I've done can only help. Cheers, Tony At 03:40 PM 12/29/2012, Tony Drews wrote: >I finally put together the web page outlining what's necessary to >swap the TR-3/4 front suspension for the later TR-6 setup. > >The page is here: >http://www.tonydrews.com/Front_Suspension/tr4_front_suspension_upgrade.htm > >Cheers, >Tony Drews >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon Dec 31 08:58:53 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:58:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Indy driver passes away In-Reply-To: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am in the scene of the Walther crash at Indy. I was right at the pit wall waiting for David Hobbs in our Gurney Eagle to come by. Later a photographer sent me five photos taken in about three seconds showing the full scene of this terrible event. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 17:19:55 -0800 > From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Indy driver passes away > > I posted this the other day, but for some reason it didn't get posted to the > list. Lets try again. > -Ed- > > --- On Fri, 12/28/12, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > > > From: EDWARD BARNARD > Subject: Indy driver passes away > To: "FOT" > Date: Friday, December 28, 2012, 11:26 PM > > > > > > > > For those who follow such happenings, Salt Walther passed away today. He is > best known for the terrible crash he was involved in at the start of the '73 > 500. Kas remembers that very well having seen it from the pit wall while > running for his life. Walther never made much of a name for himself beyond the > crash, which was one of his three last place finishes out of six starts. > -Ed- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Dec 31 09:16:54 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:16:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs References: <20121231043545.3E036425AE@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <3FDA0009EED94B51A4A5159C673F8A22@hpd530> Hi all, Happy New Year. I'm not sure about the TR4 head, but on my 6 where the heater hose pipe comes out the top of the head near the rear, I tapped it to 3/8 pipe and installed a reducer bushing and a petcock for bleeding out air from the system. If you just want a plug, various places sell Allen head pipe plugs in aluminum. Try Jegs or Pegasus. British pipe threads are vary close to NPT sizes and can be tapped to NPT sizes easily. I have a bunch of taps cluttering up my garage! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gray" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 11:22 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs > Does anyone happen to know where to get the aluminum plugs in the top of > the > head ? > > Thanks as always > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Dec 31 09:27:57 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs In-Reply-To: <3FDA0009EED94B51A4A5159C673F8A22@hpd530> Message-ID: <548792232.1463252.1356971277373.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I think I'll go with the flow so to speak and do the pipe plugs. Thanks for all the input. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Jim Gray" , "FOT" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 9:16:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs Hi all, Happy New Year. I'm not sure about the TR4 head, but on my 6 where the heater hose pipe comes out the top of the head near the rear, I tapped it to 3/8 pipe and installed a reducer bushing and a petcock for bleeding out air from the system. If you just want a plug, various places sell Allen head pipe plugs in aluminum. Try Jegs or Pegasus. British pipe threads are vary close to NPT sizes and can be tapped to NPT sizes easily. I have a bunch of taps cluttering up my garage! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gray" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 11:22 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs > Does anyone happen to know where to get the aluminum plugs in the top of > the > head ? > > Thanks as always > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Dec 31 09:34:49 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 08:34:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs References: <548792232.1463252.1356971277373.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <7CF251AC506542B48E647422DBB2B5B5@Charly> It seems to me that the heater tapping at the back of the head should be used for added water circulation. At least that's what I do on my TR6 and I see most of the TR4's and TR3's also use it for that. Just saying! Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Bill Tobin" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs >I think I'll go with the flow so to speak and do the pipe plugs. Thanks for >all the input. > > jim g > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bill Tobin" > To: "Jim Gray" , "FOT" > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 9:16:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs > > Hi all, Happy New Year. > I'm not sure about the TR4 head, but on my 6 where the heater hose pipe > comes out the top of the head near the rear, I tapped it to 3/8 pipe and > installed a reducer bushing and a petcock for bleeding out air from the > system. If you just want a plug, various places sell Allen head pipe plugs > in aluminum. Try Jegs or Pegasus. > British pipe threads are vary close to NPT sizes and can be tapped to NPT > sizes easily. I have a bunch of taps cluttering up my garage! > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Gray" > To: "'FOT'" > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 11:22 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs > > >> Does anyone happen to know where to get the aluminum plugs in the top of >> the >> head ? >> >> Thanks as always >> >> jim g >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Dec 31 11:41:52 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:41:52 +0100 Subject: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! In-Reply-To: References: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01cde786$8b594610$a20bd230$@com> Seems I'm the first :-) From budscars at comcast.net Mon Dec 31 11:51:43 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:51:43 -0800 Subject: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! References: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001b01cde786$8b594610$a20bd230$@com> Message-ID: <7290E6ED9DDD4522B9E3B5B86144E4E1@Bud> Thanks Chris et al...HAPPY NEW YEAR!.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'fot'" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:41 AM Subject: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! > Seems I'm the first :-) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Dec 31 11:58:05 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 13:58:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! In-Reply-To: <001b01cde786$8b594610$a20bd230$@com> References: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001b01cde786$8b594610$a20bd230$@com> Message-ID: You only have about 4 hrs. Of 12 left. Here on the east coast of USA we've got 10 & the poor guys on the west got to wait 13 before they can pop the cork on a bottle of bubblely! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2012, at 1:41 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > Seems I'm the first :-) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From budscars at comcast.net Mon Dec 31 12:09:47 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:09:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! References: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><001b01cde786$8b594610$a20bd230$@com> Message-ID: The 2013 season is almost here,,,Sparks me up Wonderfuly! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" To: "MadMarx" Cc: "fot" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! > You only have about 4 hrs. Of 12 left. Here on the east coast of USA we've > got > 10 & the poor guys on the west got to wait 13 before they can pop the cork > on > a bottle of bubblely! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 31, 2012, at 1:41 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > >> Seems I'm the first :-) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Dec 31 13:53:36 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 21:53:36 +0100 Subject: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! In-Reply-To: <7290E6ED9DDD4522B9E3B5B86144E4E1@Bud> References: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001b01cde786$8b594610$a20bd230$@com> <7290E6ED9DDD4522B9E3B5B86144E4E1@Bud> Message-ID: <002201cde798$e823fbd0$b86bf370$@com> I've made a noisy song to welcome 2013....have fun with it....6H of work. https://soundcloud.com/darkstar679/first-01-mp3 Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Gesendet: Montag, 31. Dezember 2012 19:52 An: MadMarx; 'fot' Betreff: Re: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! Thanks Chris et al...HAPPY NEW YEAR!.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'fot'" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:41 AM Subject: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! > Seems I'm the first :-) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Dec 31 13:59:32 2012 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:59:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Best wishes Message-ID: <9e5c.30bf6d74.3e1356b4@aol.com> Amigos, I wish all my friends the best for the new year. We've been fragmented and blown about lately but I still think of you all and hope for the best! Let's Go 2013!!!! Steve and Pat From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Dec 30 21:41:33 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:41:33 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs In-Reply-To: <20121231043533.5FB4540EBE@autox.team.net> Message-ID: > Does anyone happen to know where to get the aluminum plugs in > the top of the head ? TRF seems to have them listed (PS1603/1); but I think most people just tap the hole for a common pipe plug instead. -- Randall From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Dec 2 11:59:07 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 13:59:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BFE Message-ID: The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 next Sunday. From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Dec 2 13:55:47 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:55:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] BFE Message-ID: <2ed8.f5f96d3.3ded1a53@aol.com> In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, trmarty at hotmail.com writes: > The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 > next > Sunday. > He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. Bill (Damdinger) From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Dec 2 15:44:13 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 17:44:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BFE References: <2ed8.f5f96d3.3ded1a53@aol.com> Message-ID: <22CA7C1C5CA8406DBD09C304342D3AD5@hpd530> I got stuff in my refrigerator that old! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE > In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, > trmarty at hotmail.com writes: > > >> The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 >> next >> Sunday. >> > > He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sun Dec 2 15:56:20 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:56:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BFE In-Reply-To: <22CA7C1C5CA8406DBD09C304342D3AD5@hpd530> References: <2ed8.f5f96d3.3ded1a53@aol.com> <22CA7C1C5CA8406DBD09C304342D3AD5@hpd530> Message-ID: <470DB8A1-F3FE-467E-A13A-5A14D867AAF5@gdhs.com> Careful you guys, I'm only 3 years behind him! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2012, at 5:44 PM, "Bill Tobin" wrote: > I got stuff in my refrigerator that old! > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: ; > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE > > >> In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, >> trmarty at hotmail.com writes: >> >> >>> The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 >>> next >>> Sunday. >> >> He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. >> >> Bill (Damdinger) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Dec 2 15:58:21 2012 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:58:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] BFE Message-ID: <13a6.41010ccc.3ded370d@aol.com> Regardless, I wish Ken the best wishes and many happy returns. I need to call him, he's a good guy!!! In a message dated 12/2/2012 2:57:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: Careful you guys, I'm only 3 years behind him! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2012, at 5:44 PM, "Bill Tobin" wrote: > I got stuff in my refrigerator that old! > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: ; > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE > > >> In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, >> trmarty at hotmail.com writes: >> >> >>> The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 >>> next >>> Sunday. >> >> He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. >> >> Bill (Damdinger) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Dec 2 16:29:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 18:29:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] BFE In-Reply-To: <13a6.41010ccc.3ded370d@aol.com> References: <13a6.41010ccc.3ded370d@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF9EFC103449AF-2010-445B2@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com> If the FOT had a "HALL OF FAME", Ken Gillanders would be on it. Best Wishes Ken Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Gt6steve To: jhhasty ; william.tobin31 Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:05 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE Regardless, I wish Ken the best wishes and many happy returns. I need to call him, he's a good guy!!! In a message dated 12/2/2012 2:57:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: Careful you guys, I'm only 3 years behind him! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2012, at 5:44 PM, "Bill Tobin" wrote: > I got stuff in my refrigerator that old! > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: ; > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE > > >> In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, >> trmarty at hotmail.com writes: >> >> >>> The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 >>> next >>> Sunday. >> >> He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. >> >> Bill (Damdinger) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun Dec 2 16:37:05 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 16:37:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] BFE In-Reply-To: <22CA7C1C5CA8406DBD09C304342D3AD5@hpd530> References: <2ed8.f5f96d3.3ded1a53@aol.com> <22CA7C1C5CA8406DBD09C304342D3AD5@hpd530> Message-ID: <50BBE621.5000203@gmail.com> On 12/2/12 3:44 PM, Bill Tobin wrote: > I got stuff in my refrigerator that old! EEEEEWWWW!!!!!! I could have done without that image. Maybe it is about time to replace that Frigidaire are with the round radiator on top. Get get something newer to start a new culture in. TeriAnn From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Sun Dec 2 17:03:18 2012 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:03:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FOT for Bruce Lapierre Message-ID: <1354492998.37450.YahooMailNeo@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I would like to nominate Bruce Lapierre to FOT. Bruce is my father in law and the guy who got me racing Triumphs. The TR4 I have been racing the last 3 years was his car that was run in Solo. Bruce found the car in Chicago and had the car restored doing a great job researching the cars History learing it was raced from 1962 shortly after coming out of the dealership. Bruce is a British car guy with a TR2, Austin Healy and a MGTD. I know he would really enjoy being part of this group. Thanks - Mike Mehl #46 TR4 Vancouver Washington Bruce's email is fasttr4 at aol.com From jibjib at att.net Sun Dec 2 17:17:43 2012 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:17:43 -0800 Subject: [Fot] BFE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5C2A6561839A43089E0F5E01A8EB97AE@EntCentPC> It's Gillanders. Thanks for providing the date! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 10:59 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] BFE The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 next Sunday. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net From clw2000 at msn.com Sun Dec 2 17:18:02 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 19:18:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BFE In-Reply-To: <8CF9EFC103449AF-2010-445B2@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com> References: <13a6.41010ccc.3ded370d@aol.com> <8CF9EFC103449AF-2010-445B2@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: That's a pretty cool idea. Should there be one (hall of fame)? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2012, at 6:39 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > If the FOT had a "HALL OF FAME", Ken Gillanders would be on it. > > Best Wishes Ken > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gt6steve > To: jhhasty ; william.tobin31 > Cc: fot > Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:05 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE > > > Regardless, I wish Ken the best wishes and many happy returns. I need to > call him, he's a good guy!!! > > > In a message dated 12/2/2012 2:57:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: > > Careful you guys, I'm only 3 years behind him! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 2, 2012, at 5:44 PM, "Bill Tobin" > wrote: > >> I got stuff in my refrigerator that old! >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >> To: ; >> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 3:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE >> >> >>> In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, >>> trmarty at hotmail.com writes: >>> >>> >>>> The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 >>>> next >>>> Sunday. >>> >>> He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. >>> >>> Bill (Damdinger) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Dec 2 17:25:06 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 19:25:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FOT for Bruce Lapierre In-Reply-To: <1354492998.37450.YahooMailNeo@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1354492998.37450.YahooMailNeo@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Second for sure. If this is the Bruce and car I am thinking of, I have a video of it somewhere of it impressively blowing an engine at a track day at Nelsons Ledges back in the mid 1990's. Of coarse he might have to lose the MG. Marty ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:03:18 -0800 > From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FOT for Bruce Lapierre > > I would like to nominate Bruce Lapierre to FOT. Bruce is my father in law and > the guy who got me racing Triumphs. The TR4 I have been racing the last 3 > years was his car that was run in Solo. Bruce found the car in Chicago and > had the car restored doing a great job researching the cars History learing it > was raced from 1962 shortly after coming out of the dealership. Bruce is a > British car guy with a TR2, Austin Healy and a MGTD. I know he would really > enjoy being part of this group. > > Thanks - Mike Mehl #46 TR4 Vancouver > Washington > > Bruce's email is fasttr4 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Dec 2 17:36:58 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 19:36:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] BFE In-Reply-To: References: <13a6.41010ccc.3ded370d@aol.com> <8CF9EFC103449AF-2010-445B2@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF9F056FD69805-2010-448E3@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Charles, If we had a HALL OF FAME we would have to have associated rules and a committee to administer. FOT = no rules, no dues, no meetings, no BOD, no backbiting, NO NEED. we know who we are....we are all IMPORTANT -----Original Message----- From: Charles WATSON To: Joe Alexander Cc: Gt6steve ; jhhasty ; william.tobin31 ; fot Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 6:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE That's a pretty cool idea. Should there be one (hall of fame)? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2012, at 6:39 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > If the FOT had a "HALL OF FAME", Ken Gillanders would be on it. > > Best Wishes Ken > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gt6steve > To: jhhasty ; william.tobin31 > Cc: fot > Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:05 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE > > > Regardless, I wish Ken the best wishes and many happy returns. I need to > call him, he's a good guy!!! > > > In a message dated 12/2/2012 2:57:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: > > Careful you guys, I'm only 3 years behind him! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 2, 2012, at 5:44 PM, "Bill Tobin" > wrote: > >> I got stuff in my refrigerator that old! >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >> To: ; >> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 3:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE >> >> >>> In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, >>> trmarty at hotmail.com writes: >>> >>> >>>> The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 >>>> next >>>> Sunday. >>> >>> He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. >>> >>> Bill (Damdinger) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Dec 2 19:38:05 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 20:38:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FOT for Bruce Lapierre Message-ID: <16247.1354502285@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Second! On Sun 02/12/12 4:03 PM , Mike Mehl mike.mehl at yahoo.com sent: I would like to nominate Bruce Lapierre to FOT. Bruce is my father in law and the guy who got me racing Triumphs. The TR4 I have been racing the last 3 years was his car that was run in Solo. Bruce found the car in Chicago and had the car restored doing a great job researching the cars History learing it was raced from 1962 shortly after coming out of the dealership. Bruce is a British car guy with a TR2, Austin Healy and a MGTD. I know he would really enjoy being part of this group. Thanks - Mike Mehl #46 TR4 Vancouver Washington Bruce's email is _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [3] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [4] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [5] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [6] Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ [7] Links: ------ [3] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [7] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Dec 2 22:50:25 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 22:50:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 port sections and castings Message-ID: I've posted some new photo's of tr4 port sections and silicone castings of the ports and intake manifold. Tha castings really give a different perpective of the ports. http://s698.beta.photobucket.com/user/TR4jim/library/#/user/TR4jim/library/C ylinder%20head? &_suid=135451343610906970282830168559 jim g From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 2 23:03:57 2012 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 06:03:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] BFE In-Reply-To: <2ed8.f5f96d3.3ded1a53@aol.com> References: <2ed8.f5f96d3.3ded1a53@aol.com> Message-ID: > He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. > Whoooooofffff! that explains it! ;O) Anyhoo happy B-day Ken, you helped make Greenman one hell of a hot street TR! Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: BillDentin at aol.com > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:55:47 -0500 > To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE > > In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, > trmarty at hotmail.com writes: > > > > The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 > > next > > Sunday. > > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/greenman62 at hotmail.com From haretoday at comcast.net Mon Dec 3 01:55:46 2012 From: haretoday at comcast.net (haretoday at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 08:55:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FOT for Bruce Lapierre In-Reply-To: <1354492998.37450.YahooMailNeo@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1907539892.784788.1354524946786.JavaMail.root@sz0138a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I will second the nomination for Bruce. A great guy, knowledgeable and provided some much needed assistance to me this last summer in Portland. A definite asset to our group. Thanks for your consideration of Bruce... Cheers, Steve Hare No. 85 and 72 Spitfires with SOVREN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Mehl" To: "Triumph Friends of" Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 4:03:18 PM Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FOT for Bruce Lapierre I would like to nominate Bruce Lapierre to FOT. Bruce is my father in law and the guy who got me racing Triumphs. The TR4 I have been racing the last 3 years was his car that was run in Solo. Bruce found the car in Chicago and had the car restored doing a great job researching the cars History learing it was raced from 1962 shortly after coming out of the dealership. Bruce is a British car guy with a TR2, Austin Healy and a MGTD. I know he would really enjoy being part of this group. Thanks - Mike Mehl #46 TR4 Vancouver Washington Bruce's email is fasttr4 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/haretoday at comcast.net From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Dec 3 07:47:31 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 09:47:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FOT for Bruce Lapierre Message-ID: In a message dated 12/03/2012 2:55:54 AM Central Standard Time, haretoday at comcast.net writes: > I will second the nomination for Bruce. A great guy, knowledgeable and > provided some much needed assistance to me this last summer in Portland. > A definite asset to our group. > Absolutely. A good idea. And like the nominator said, "He's the Father-in-law". The TRIUMPH connection notwithstanding...Bruce can probably get him 'cut off' with the snap of his fingers. You've got to protect your interests. I second the nomination too. Bill (Damdinger) From mmoore at wave1.net Mon Dec 3 12:40:45 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 14:40:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer Message-ID: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> My car came with stock tachometer in the dash and an auxiliary one mounted to steering column. I would like to remove auxiliary mounted on column, and replace the stock one in the dash with a good one that will be accurate. Any recommendations on brand, type, etc? Thanks Mike 62 TR4 Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Dec 3 12:42:33 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 12:42:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer In-Reply-To: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> Message-ID: Auto meter has served me well. Jim g Sent from my iPhone On Dec 3, 2012, at 12:40 PM, "Mike Moore" wrote: > My car came with stock tachometer in the dash and an auxiliary one mounted > to steering column. I would like to remove auxiliary mounted on column, and > replace the stock one in the dash with a good one that will be accurate. > > > > Any recommendations on brand, type, etc? > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > 62 TR4 > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 13:51:27 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 15:51:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer In-Reply-To: References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> Message-ID: Auto meter...can't go wrong 0-8000 with shift light that can be mounted to a place of your choice. Has adjustable needle for max rpm or shifting, easy to install. less than 200.00 as I recall (139.00) On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:42 PM, James Gray wrote: > Auto meter has served me well. > Jim g > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 3, 2012, at 12:40 PM, "Mike Moore" wrote: > > > My car came with stock tachometer in the dash and an auxiliary one > mounted > > to steering column. I would like to remove auxiliary mounted on column, > and > > replace the stock one in the dash with a good one that will be accurate. > > > > > > > > Any recommendations on brand, type, etc? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike > > > > 62 TR4 > > > > > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Mon Dec 3 14:19:36 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 16:19:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer In-Reply-To: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> Message-ID: <006201cdd19b$e6494530$b2dbcf90$@rr.com> I have used an Autometer which has been trouble free for the past 24 years. Anything that lasts that long anymore gets my vote. I have used them in 2 other race cars I have worked on and also used their gauges in a modified vintage Mustang project of my own, adapting them into the original dash panel. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Moore Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 2:41 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer My car came with stock tachometer in the dash and an auxiliary one mounted to steering column. I would like to remove auxiliary mounted on column, and replace the stock one in the dash with a good one that will be accurate. Any recommendations on brand, type, etc? Thanks Mike 62 TR4 Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_6015.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_6012.JPG] From rfdeanes at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 15:11:41 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 17:11:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer In-Reply-To: <006201cdd19b$e6494530$b2dbcf90$@rr.com> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <006201cdd19b$e6494530$b2dbcf90$@rr.com> Message-ID: Ebay has the model 3980 for 139.96 without the light which can be added (20.00) but look at the big three distributors, Summitt, Jegs and Speedway and with a little searching you should be able to find it with the remote light.....might try Discovery Parts or Racers Wholesale. If I can find my reciept I will email it to you. On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Spitfire Racing < Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com> wrote: > I have used an Autometer which has been trouble free for the past 24 years. > Anything that lasts that long anymore gets my vote. I have used them in 2 > other race cars I have worked on and also used their gauges in a modified > vintage Mustang project of my own, adapting them into the original dash > panel. > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Mike Moore > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 2:41 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer > > My car came with stock tachometer in the dash and an auxiliary one mounted > to steering column. I would like to remove auxiliary mounted on column, and > replace the stock one in the dash with a good one that will be accurate. > > > > Any recommendations on brand, type, etc? > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > 62 TR4 > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > IMG_6015.JPG] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > IMG_6012.JPG] > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Mon Dec 3 16:27:23 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 16:27:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! Message-ID: I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Dec 3 16:31:30 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 18:31:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> 2ND......we have high potential for a gaggle of GT6s at KCUP if we can get them to Road America in September. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tylerpthompson To: fot Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 5:28 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 3 16:36:18 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 16:36:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50BD3772.4010704@bradakis.com> Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote: > Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his > wife once owned a TR7. > > We won't hold that against him. He's in. mjb. From triosan at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 16:46:06 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 15:46:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer In-Reply-To: References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <006201cdd19b$e6494530$b2dbcf90$@rr.com> Message-ID: Guys - For us FOTers you cannot beat the deal you will get from fellow memeber Craig at Diesel Performance Parts. Below is part of an email he sent out last year. "Just depends on the "style" of gauge you select. Go to Autometer.com and see which "look" you want. Let me know and I'll get you a price. Send it to info at dieselperformanceparts.com Triumph racers discount always applies. Ask Brad or Susan they'll tell you. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Robert Deanes wrote: > Ebay has the model 3980 for 139.96 without the light which can be added > (20.00) but look at the big three distributors, Summitt, Jegs and Speedway > and with a little searching you should be able to find it with the remote > light.....might try Discovery Parts or Racers Wholesale. If I can find my > reciept I will email it to you. > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Spitfire Racing < > Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com> wrote: > > > I have used an Autometer which has been trouble free for the past 24 > years. > > Anything that lasts that long anymore gets my vote. I have used them in 2 > > other race cars I have worked on and also used their gauges in a modified > > vintage Mustang project of my own, adapting them into the original dash > > panel. > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of Mike Moore > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 2:41 PM > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer > > > > My car came with stock tachometer in the dash and an auxiliary one > mounted > > to steering column. I would like to remove auxiliary mounted on column, > and > > replace the stock one in the dash with a good one that will be accurate. > > > > > > > > Any recommendations on brand, type, etc? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike > > > > 62 TR4 > > > > > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name > of > > IMG_6015.JPG] > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name > of > > IMG_6012.JPG] > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From vangoughv at hotmail.com Mon Dec 3 17:05:20 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 19:05:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes another GT6! Awesome Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-03, at 6:27 PM, "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" wrote: > I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this > nomination for a new GT6 racer. > > Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his > wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of > this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's > RMVR events. > > I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what > is detailed in Kas' last book. > > Ty > > '63 Triumph TR4 #413 > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Dec 3 17:20:05 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 19:20:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer In-Reply-To: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> Message-ID: <50BD41B5.1090603@blacksburg.net> On 12/3/2012 2:40 PM, Mike Moore wrote: > My car came with stock tachometer in the dash and an auxiliary one mounted > to steering column. I would like to remove auxiliary mounted on column, and > replace the stock one in the dash with a good one that will be accurate. > > > > Any recommendations on brand, type, etc? > Mike, I sent my stock TR4 tach to MoMa for her to convert to electronic. I specified that I wanted accuracy of +/-2% from 4 - 6K, which she pretty much achieved. I also mounted the tach on the right side of the steering column, so a quick scan of the panel also includes the tach. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Dec 3 17:29:38 2012 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 19:29:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: A Gaggle, that must be an Iowa term! JVV -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:31 PM To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: jeffwhall at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! 2ND......we have high potential for a gaggle of GT6s at KCUP if we can get them to Road America in September. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tylerpthompson To: fot Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 5:28 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Dec 3 17:40:18 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 19:40:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF9FCF117355AE-CB8-493C2@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> The image is a 'flock of geese not in flight'. In this case, several GT6s, gathered in the Road America paddock. Perhaps we will have a gaggle of Spitfires, too.......btw, there is a Spitfire available for sale, if anyone is interested. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Van Vlack To: Tylerpthompson ; fot ; Joe Alexander Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 6:29 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! A Gaggle, that must be an Iowa term! JVV -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:31 PM To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: jeffwhall at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! 2ND......we have high potential for a gaggle of GT6s at KCUP if we can get them to Road America in September. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tylerpthompson To: fot Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 5:28 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Dec 3 17:49:57 2012 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 19:49:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <8CF9FCF117355AE-CB8-493C2@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <8CF9FCF117355AE-CB8-493C2@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <41B8AEC756474F2F9904A53AC4C91C78@UserTHINK> I can remember the Group 44 GT6 at Mid-Ohio in the late 60bs and there is not a sweeter sound than one of those at full song. Bring lots of them to RA next year, we need that Gaggle. JVV From: Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 7:40 PM To: jerryvv at roadrunner.com ; Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: jeffwhall at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! The image is a 'flock of geese not in flight'. In this case, several GT6s, gathered in the Road America paddock. Perhaps we will have a gaggle of Spitfires, too.......btw, there is a Spitfire available for sale, if anyone is interested. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Van Vlack To: Tylerpthompson ; fot ; Joe Alexander Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 6:29 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! A Gaggle, that must be an Iowa term! JVV -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:31 PM To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: jeffwhall at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! 2ND......we have high potential for a gaggle of GT6s at KCUP if we can get them to Road America in September. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tylerpthompson To: fot Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 5:28 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Tue Dec 4 06:19:06 2012 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 07:19:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Auto Meter Gauges Message-ID: Membership, As a way to repay the FOT site for all the good stuff it has done for me over the years I can thru my company provide excellent membership discounts on the following brands: Auto Meter Carrillo Mahle Clevite Engine parts ARP fasteners Hawk Brake Pads Total Seal Piston Rings The above brands apply to our Triumphs, but check our web site at www.dieselperformanceparts.com too as we have literally tons of other brands that might apply to your Triumph and or diesel or gas powered tow vehicles too. 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JVV -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:31 PM To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: jeffwhall at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! 2ND......we have high potential for a gaggle of GT6s at KCUP if we can get them to Road America in September. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tylerpthompson To: fot Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 5:28 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Dec 4 08:07:17 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 10:07:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! Message-ID: <1e5c6.18f3f84c.3def6ba4@aol.com> In a message dated 12/04/2012 8:55:34 AM Central Standard Time, jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: > A Gaggle, that must be an Iowa term! > That won't work for GT6s. My dictionary says that a gaggle is, "a flock of geese, when not flying." TRIUMPH GT6s are always flying. Bill (Damdinger) From igofaster at att.net Tue Dec 4 22:09:32 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 21:09:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1354684172.17827.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'm still here! 2nd or 3rd to the Jeff and his desire to race a GT6...... sidebar, I believe my new engine is in the launch mode this month.... Bobby ________________________________ From: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" To: "fot at autox.team.net" Cc: jeffwhall at aol.com Sent: Mon, December 3, 2012 5:27:52 PM Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From igofaster at att.net Tue Dec 4 22:11:07 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 21:11:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> before there was google there was gaggle.... 'old skool rules..... BGW ________________________________ From: Jerry Van Vlack To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net; Joe Alexander Sent: Mon, December 3, 2012 6:29:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! A Gaggle, that must be an Iowa term! JVV -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:31 PM To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: jeffwhall at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! 2ND......we have high potential for a gaggle of GT6s at KCUP if we can get them to Road America in September. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tylerpthompson To: fot Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 5:28 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From mark at bradakis.com Tue Dec 4 22:20:14 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 22:20:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50BED98E.60503@bradakis.com> Bobby Whitehead wrote: > before there was google there was gaggle.... 'old skool rules..... > Zero Mostel - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum How many geese in a gaggle? mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 5 05:41:37 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 07:41:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <50BED98E.60503@bradakis.com> References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50BED98E.60503@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CFA0FCFFEBC7A3-978-A734@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> Federal guidelines in Civil Rights legislation for a "Riot" was "three or more"....... I suppose that the same would be for geese.... or GT6s therefore, we expect a riot at Road America Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: FoT Triumph Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:19 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! Bobby Whitehead wrote: > before there was google there was gaggle.... 'old skool rules..... > Zero Mostel - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum How many geese in a gaggle? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Dec 5 06:56:52 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 07:56:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <1354684172.17827.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1354684172.17827.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: For some reason, the picture that comes to mind is Bobby's engine sitting in the sling of a giant trebuchet, waiting to be launched over the horizon into the deep sea. Duncan On Dec 4, 2012, at 11:09 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > sidebar, I believe my new engine is in the launch mode this month.... > > > Bobby From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Dec 5 07:02:36 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 06:02:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Band of Brothers Day Message-ID: <1354716156.77565.YahooMailClassic@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I am proud to call you Brother. You may have served in Combat or in non-combat. You may have retired out or you may have served for a short time, You may have been a draftee or a volunteer. You may have served in the Corps, Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard or the Merchant Marines, BUT YOU SERVED. YOU DID YOUR JOB HONORABLY and for that I am PROUD to call you Brother. You may have served during Korea, WWII, Vietnam, Persian Gulf, Iraq or Afghanistan, But you served, you did not run. You have a DD 214 with those words "HONORABLY DISCHARGED" two of the most noble words in the world. Again I am proud to know each and every one of you. *Today is Band of Brothers' Day; Send this to all your brothers, fathers, sons and fellow veterans you know. Happy Brothers' Day! To the cool men that have touched my life: Here's to you!! I was never a hero, but I am thankful and proud to have served among them. A real Brother walks with you when the rest of the world walks on you. Send to all your Band of Brothers, because the fake ones won't. __._,_.___ Bill (Chief) Deal "Post 655, where heroes gather". From igofaster at att.net Wed Dec 5 10:29:17 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 09:29:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <8CFA0FCFFEBC7A3-978-A734@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50BED98E.60503@bradakis.com> <8CFA0FCFFEBC7A3-978-A734@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1354728557.30604.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> i dunno......unless there is a free beer line.... Bobby ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: mark at bradakis.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 6:42:00 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! Federal guidelines in Civil Rights legislation for a "Riot" was "three or more"....... I suppose that the same would be for geese.... or GT6s therefore, we expect a riot at Road America Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: FoT Triumph Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:19 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! Bobby Whitehead wrote: > before there was google there was gaggle.... 'old skool rules..... > Zero Mostel - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum How many geese in a gaggle? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Dec 5 10:34:48 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 12:34:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <1354728557.30604.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50BED98E.60503@bradakis.com> <8CFA0FCFFEBC7A3-978-A734@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> <1354728557.30604.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I wish I could participate in the GT6 "riot" perhaps in a year or two. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-05, at 12:29 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > i dunno......unless there is a free beer line.... Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Joe Alexander > To: mark at bradakis.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 6:42:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! > > Federal guidelines in Civil Rights legislation for a "Riot" was "three or > more"....... > > I suppose that the same would be for geese.... > > or GT6s > > therefore, we expect a riot at Road America > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark J Bradakis > To: FoT Triumph > Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:19 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! > > > Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> before there was google there was gaggle.... 'old skool rules..... > Zero Mostel - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum > > How many geese in a gaggle? > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From igofaster at att.net Wed Dec 5 10:37:12 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 09:37:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: <1354684172.17827.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1354729032.54597.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> the one I blew up in Atlanta would make a nice kerplush.... that's the sound it would make as it lands in the deep sea.... I guess I'll keep it for memories.... I've shed all the tears I can over that , and at this time, I must with all sincerity thank the F.o.T. contingent, especially Henry, for keeping me grounded in the 'big picture'....it's amazing.. we run one weekend together (okay that's optimistic) ((I'm a rose colored glasses, the glass is half full guy)) and we are friends for life... isn't THAT the essence of our brother and sisterhood with F.o.T. and vintage racing? God bless all my bro's and lady friends on F.o.T..... it's not about common sense, it's about the emotion... and emotion over-rules common sense in my book.... Peace be with you and yours.... Bobby Whitehead and Family.... ________________________________ From: Duncan Charlton To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 7:57:08 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! For some reason, the picture that comes to mind is Bobby's engine sitting in the sling of a giant trebuchet, waiting to be launched over the horizon into the deep sea. Duncan On Dec 4, 2012, at 11:09 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > sidebar, I believe my new engine is in the launch mode this month.... > > > Bobby From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 5 10:58:59 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 12:58:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50BED98E.60503@bradakis.com> <8CFA0FCFFEBC7A3-978-A734@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> <1354728557.30604.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFA12955FC7F25-978-D8F1@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> Can you attend? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Vince G To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: Joe Alexander ; FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:55 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I wish I could participate in the GT6 "riot" perhaps in a year or two. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-05, at 12:29 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > i dunno......unless there is a free beer line.... Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Joe Alexander > To: mark at bradakis.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 6:42:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! > > Federal guidelines in Civil Rights legislation for a "Riot" was "three or > more"....... > > I suppose that the same would be for geese.... > > or GT6s > > therefore, we expect a riot at Road America > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark J Bradakis > To: FoT Triumph > Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:19 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! > > > Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> before there was google there was gaggle.... 'old skool rules..... > Zero Mostel - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum > > How many geese in a gaggle? > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Dec 5 11:18:01 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 13:18:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <8CFA12955FC7F25-978-D8F1@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com><1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><50BED98E.60503@bradakis.com><8CFA0FCFFEBC7A3-978-A734@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com><1354728557.30604.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8CFA12955FC7F25-978-D8F1@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Good Grief you guys. A gaggle is at least 5 geese unless, of course, they are flying then they are a Skein and can include any number of 5 or more. PS: Bobby, there's a free beer line at the VDCA event in Savannah this weekend.... John H. 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E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Vince G To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: Joe Alexander ; FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:55 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I wish I could participate in the GT6 "riot" perhaps in a year or two. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-05, at 12:29 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > i dunno......unless there is a free beer line.... Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Joe Alexander > To: mark at bradakis.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 6:42:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! > > Federal guidelines in Civil Rights legislation for a "Riot" was "three > or more"....... > > I suppose that the same would be for geese.... > > or GT6s > > therefore, we expect a riot at Road America > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark J Bradakis > To: FoT Triumph > Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:19 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! > > > Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> before there was google there was gaggle.... 'old skool rules..... > Zero Mostel - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum > > How many geese in a gaggle? > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jeffwhall at aol.com Wed Dec 5 13:54:27 2012 From: jeffwhall at aol.com (jeffwhall at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 15:54:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Thank you Message-ID: <8CFA141D94D82A8-1B88-CA55@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Hello everyone, Thank you for welcoming me into your fold of GT6 racers. Officially, I am not a licensed racer yet as the car is still in the troughs of being built and assembled. My goal is to have it completed by April so I can drive it at the competiotion driving school sponsored by RMVR at Pikes Peak International Raceway. I am intreguied by the gathering of GT6 racers for a race weekend. Can someone provide me more info on that event? I am looking forward to corresponding with each of you and to learn about these great cars. Jeff Hall From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 5 14:21:38 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 16:21:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Thank you .....Now ROAD AMERICA'S KASTNER CUP. In-Reply-To: <8CFA141D94D82A8-1B88-CA55@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFA141D94D82A8-1B88-CA55@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFA145A528000E-978-EEAF@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> Jeff, The 'gathering' we are talking about is THE KASTNER CUP-THE 11TH RUNNING of this event. We are hoping that you RMVR guys will attend, regardless of their ability to bring cars. This will be VSCDA's ELKHART LAKE VINTAGE FESTIVAL 5-8 September, 2013. It will have entries from all over North America. It appears we will have 6-8 guests from Europe at this point. We will have SCCA champions and ex-factory drivers, etc as special guests. TRIUMPH is the featured MARQUE and KAS KASTNER is the GRAND MARSHAL. The Osthoff is our HOST HOTEL with generous discounting. 1-2-3 Bedroom Suites are available and are very cost effective when shared by friends and couples. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: jeffwhall To: fot Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 2:56 pm Subject: [Fot] Thank you Hello everyone, Thank you for welcoming me into your fold of GT6 racers. Officially, I am not a licensed racer yet as the car is still in the troughs of being built and assembled. My goal is to have it completed by April so I can drive it at the competiotion driving school sponsored by RMVR at Pikes Peak International Raceway. I am intreguied by the gathering of GT6 racers for a race weekend. Can someone provide me more info on that event? I am looking forward to corresponding with each of you and to learn about these great cars. Jeff Hall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed Dec 5 18:13:38 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:13:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer In-Reply-To: <8CFA0A5C79D9874-1FD0-7926@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <50BD41B5.1090603@blacksburg.net> <8CFA0A5C79D9874-1FD0-7926@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50BFF142.5030400@blacksburg.net> On 12/4/2012 9:17 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > Jim, > I'm curious ... did she reuse the factory dial face and pointer ? I > was told by Nissonger that they would not be able to reuse my tachs > needle during the conversion process. > Cheers, > Bob T Hey Bob, Yes, she did use the same face, needle and case. You can't tell that it's been converted (until you look in the engine bay and see no tach cable :-) ) Another feature I really like is that it seems (seat of pants observation, not empirical) to track RPMs more closely. She said that her tech guy removed some of the material off the back of the needle for improved response. I've seen some tachs seem to be still spinning up as the engine spins down. Hmmm. NFI, etc. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From igofaster at att.net Wed Dec 5 18:45:52 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 17:45:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Thank you In-Reply-To: <8CFA141D94D82A8-1B88-CA55@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFA141D94D82A8-1B88-CA55@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1354758352.10804.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> if two GT6's show up in a Walmart parking lot, that is an event... if two or three show up to a race weekend, that is stellar .... either way, long over looked beauty of the Triumph Marque . Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: "jeffwhall at aol.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 2:56:42 PM Subject: [Fot] Thank you Hello everyone, Thank you for welcoming me into your fold of GT6 racers. Officially, I am not a licensed racer yet as the car is still in the troughs of being built and assembled. My goal is to have it completed by April so I can drive it at the competiotion driving school sponsored by RMVR at Pikes Peak International Raceway. I am intreguied by the gathering of GT6 racers for a race weekend. Can someone provide me more info on that event? I am looking forward to corresponding with each of you and to learn about these great cars. Jeff Hall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 5 19:03:56 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 21:03:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Thank you KCUP 2013 In-Reply-To: <1354758352.10804.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <8CFA141D94D82A8-1B88-CA55@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1354758352.10804.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFA16D15521B2F-2600-10D1D@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> It would be good to promote GT6s and Spitfires to be at this event. I have invited the publisher and editor of SPITFIRE & GT6 magazine to join us. I fully expect one or both of them to join us. It wouldnt hurt to see some street machines there, too. Jason, Andre,....etc? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: jeffwhall Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:46 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Thank you if two GT6's show up in a Walmart parking lot, that is an event... if two or three show up to a race weekend, that is stellar .... either way, long over looked beauty of the Triumph Marque . Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: "jeffwhall at aol.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 2:56:42 PM Subject: [Fot] Thank you Hello everyone, Thank you for welcoming me into your fold of GT6 racers. Officially, I am not a licensed racer yet as the car is still in the troughs of being built and assembled. My goal is to have it completed by April so I can drive it at the competiotion driving school sponsored by RMVR at Pikes Peak International Raceway. I am intreguied by the gathering of GT6 racers for a race weekend. Can someone provide me more info on that event? I am looking forward to corresponding with each of you and to learn about these great cars. Jeff Hall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jkhagen at charter.net Wed Dec 5 20:05:51 2012 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 22:05:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Thank you KCUP 2013 Message-ID: <7fa93096.21624b.13b6e2d26e2.Webtop.46@charter.net> Joe and "Friends"--Check out great article in DaecClassic Mororsports about VSCR's guru Pat Starr- 50 years with the same Morgan! Also some notes on the Mitty. John Hagen On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > It would be good to promote GT6s and Spitfires to be at this event. > > I have invited the publisher and editor of SPITFIRE & GT6 magazine to > join us. > I fully expect one or both of them to join us. It wouldnt hurt to see > some > street machines there, too. Jason, Andre,....etc? > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bobby Whitehead > To: jeffwhall > Cc: FoT Triumph > Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:46 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Thank you > > > if two GT6's show up in a Walmart parking lot, that is an event... if > two or > three show up to a race weekend, that is stellar .... either way, > long over > looked beauty of the Triumph Marque . > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "jeffwhall at aol.com" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 2:56:42 PM > Subject: [Fot] Thank you > > Hello everyone, > > Thank you for welcoming me into your fold of GT6 racers. Officially, I > am not > a licensed racer yet as the car is still in the troughs of being built > and > assembled. My goal is to have it completed by April so I can drive it > at the > competiotion driving school sponsored by RMVR at Pikes Peak > International > Raceway. > > I am intreguied by the gathering of GT6 racers for a race weekend. Can > someone > provide me more info on that event? > > I am looking forward to corresponding with each of you and to learn > about > these great cars. > > Jeff Hall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 5 20:12:57 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 22:12:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Thank you KCUP 2013 In-Reply-To: <7fa93096.21624b.13b6e2d26e2.Webtop.46@charter.net> References: <7fa93096.21624b.13b6e2d26e2.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: <8CFA176B9A1F21F-2600-112C7@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> Yes! And there is a side bar on John Hagen and a TR4. Good for CMS.....Giving our 'Friends' some positive credit. Thanks John....... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: jkhagen To: Joe Alexander Cc: igofaster ; jeffwhall ; fot Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:05 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Thank you KCUP 2013 Joe and "Friends"--Check out great article in DaecClassic Mororsports about VSCR's guru Pat Starr- 50 years with the same Morgan! Also some notes on the Mitty. John Hagen On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > It would be good to promote GT6s and Spitfires to be at this event. > > I have invited the publisher and editor of SPITFIRE & GT6 magazine to > join us. > I fully expect one or both of them to join us. It wouldnt hurt to see > some > street machines there, too. Jason, Andre,....etc? > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bobby Whitehead > To: jeffwhall > Cc: FoT Triumph > Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:46 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Thank you > > > if two GT6's show up in a Walmart parking lot, that is an event... if > two or > three show up to a race weekend, that is stellar .... either way, > long over > looked beauty of the Triumph Marque . > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "jeffwhall at aol.com" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 2:56:42 PM > Subject: [Fot] Thank you > > Hello everyone, > > Thank you for welcoming me into your fold of GT6 racers. Officially, I > am not > a licensed racer yet as the car is still in the troughs of being built > and > assembled. My goal is to have it completed by April so I can drive it > at the > competiotion driving school sponsored by RMVR at Pikes Peak > International > Raceway. > > I am intreguied by the gathering of GT6 racers for a race weekend. Can > someone > provide me more info on that event? > > I am looking forward to corresponding with each of you and to learn > about > these great cars. > > Jeff Hall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Wed Dec 5 23:33:13 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 22:33:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts In-Reply-To: References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> Message-ID: <1354775593.46945.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Any thoughts on whether or not those aluminum cups on the rear diff mounts improve a car's performance? Any thoughts on how these cups compare to using urethane and is it feasible to run urethane for rear diff mounts and rubber for front diff mounts? Thanks, Jim From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Dec 6 04:24:49 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 06:24:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts In-Reply-To: <1354775593.46945.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <1354775593.46945.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFA1BB701DCCDA-D48-17B7@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> The Brits run rubber in combination with these 'Differential Stabilizers'. It supports the rubber further and ostensibly keeps the dif from moving around. I checked and verified with Jon Wood when Keith Files and he were my guests here in Jesup. He indicated that this was pretty much SOP in the UK for racing TR6s I have them on the shelf. TRF has them. They are getting popular with the street TR6s instead of the harsher urethane, which provides less noise and vibration isolation. And they should take some of the stress off of the mounts. I have no direct experience with them, myself, but ship them on a regular basis. BTW, Jon Wood, Simon Watson, and Keith Files will be our guests at KCUP 2013. They are great sources of information on what the Brits are doing in the UK. Jon is an ace wrench, Simon is parts manager for TR Enterprises, and Keith drives a very fast TR6 in the U.K. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: sherry robyn To: Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 12:34 am Subject: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts Any thoughts on whether or not those aluminum cups on the rear diff mounts improve a car's performance? Any thoughts on how these cups compare to using urethane and is it feasible to run urethane for rear diff mounts and rubber for front diff mounts? Thanks, Jim _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Dec 6 07:40:34 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 09:40:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts Message-ID: <55c1.7400f7f6.3df20862@aol.com> In a message dated 12/06/2012 5:29:26 AM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > BTW, Jon Wood, Simon Watson, and Keith Files will be our guests at KCUP > 2013. > They are great sources of information on what the Brits are doing in the > UK. > Jon is an ace wrench, Simon is parts manager for TR Enterprises, and Keith > drives a very fast TR6 in the U.K. > Not to mention, JON WOOD is one of the world's premier Party Blokes. Smiles abound, wherever he goes. Bill Dentinger From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Dec 6 09:08:24 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 11:08:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts In-Reply-To: <55c1.7400f7f6.3df20862@aol.com> References: <55c1.7400f7f6.3df20862@aol.com> Message-ID: Hmmm, reminds me of the 2002 FOT gathering. The Brits came by a certain camper and when it was offered that beer was available, but not refrigerated... it was determined that lack of refrigeration was no problem and all the beer was quickly consumed. Like two cases worth. Yee ha! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/06/2012 5:29:26 AM Central Standard Time, > n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > > >> BTW, Jon Wood, Simon Watson, and Keith Files will be our guests at KCUP >> 2013. >> They are great sources of information on what the Brits are doing in the >> UK. >> Jon is an ace wrench, Simon is parts manager for TR Enterprises, and Keith >> drives a very fast TR6 in the U.K. >> > > Not to mention, JON WOOD is one of the world's premier Party Blokes. > Smiles abound, wherever he goes. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang at isis.mit.edu From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Dec 6 09:26:02 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 16:26:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts In-Reply-To: <8CFA1BB701DCCDA-D48-17B7@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <1354775593.46945.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA1BB701DCCDA-D48-17B7@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7F7CFD@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> << BTW, Jon Wood, Simon Watson, and Keith Files will be our guests at KCUP 2013. >> And the lovely Denise? She's a lot of fun and would be missed. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 5:25 AM To: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts The Brits run rubber in combination with these 'Differential Stabilizers'. It supports the rubber further and ostensibly keeps the dif from moving around. I checked and verified with Jon Wood when Keith Files and he were my guests here in Jesup. He indicated that this was pretty much SOP in the UK for racing TR6s I have them on the shelf. TRF has them. They are getting popular with the street TR6s instead of the harsher urethane, which provides less noise and vibration isolation. And they should take some of the stress off of the mounts. I have no direct experience with them, myself, but ship them on a regular basis. BTW, Jon Wood, Simon Watson, and Keith Files will be our guests at KCUP 2013. They are great sources of information on what the Brits are doing in the UK. Jon is an ace wrench, Simon is parts manager for TR Enterprises, and Keith drives a very fast TR6 in the U.K. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: sherry robyn To: Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 12:34 am Subject: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts Any thoughts on whether or not those aluminum cups on the rear diff mounts improve a car's performance? Any thoughts on how these cups compare to using urethane and is it feasible to run urethane for rear diff mounts and rubber for front diff mounts? Thanks, Jim _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Dec 6 09:47:20 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 11:47:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] aluminum cups now KASTNER CUP 2013 Attendees In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7F7CFD@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <1354775593.46945.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA1BB701DCCDA-D48-17B7@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7F7CFD@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CFA1E87DF1449C-D48-451A@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> Denise Files is also coming. There are other guests from the UK coming....and perhaps more from Europe. This will truly be an international event. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- And the lovely Denise? She's a lot of fun and would be missed.Scott B. From rjohns at woh.rr.com Thu Dec 6 12:39:45 2012 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 14:39:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup English attendees Message-ID: It is good news that not only Keith Files is coming , but Denise is also. She is a lovely girl and we had a hoot at Topeka with her and Keith's brother. Bob Johns From triosan at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 13:15:16 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 12:15:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] aluminum cups now KASTNER CUP 2013 Attendees In-Reply-To: <8CFA1E87DF1449C-D48-451A@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <1354775593.46945.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA1BB701DCCDA-D48-17B7@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7F7CFD@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> <8CFA1E87DF1449C-D48-451A@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: How about Kieth's son -- the REAL racer in today's world! On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Denise Files is also coming. There are other guests from the UK > coming....and > perhaps more from Europe. > > This will truly be an international event. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > And the lovely Denise? She's a lot of fun and would be missed.Scott B. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Dec 6 13:34:26 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 15:34:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] aluminum cups now KASTNER CUP 2013 Attendees In-Reply-To: References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <1354775593.46945.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA1BB701DCCDA-D48-17B7@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7F7CFD@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> <8CFA1E87DF1449C-D48-451A@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFA208378AAF3E-D48-6051@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> I have not heard Josh's name yet....nor Clifford, Keith's bro. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley To: Joe Alexander Cc: sbarr ; fot Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 2:15 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] aluminum cups now KASTNER CUP 2013 Attendees How about Kieth's son -- the REAL racer in today's world! On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: Denise Files is also coming. There are other guests from the UK coming....and perhaps more from Europe. This will truly be an international event. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- And the lovely Denise? She's a lot of fun and would be missed.Scott B. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 7 15:18:44 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 17:18:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] CALIFORNIA AIR CODE NAME: BOMB (Spitfire & GT6) TRADITIONAL TRIUMPH (TR2-TR6) Message-ID: <8CFA2DFF3959A5B-F70-579B@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> I just received inventory of the subject John Clancy titles from John. If you expected to received one or more of these, remind me, and I will get them out as soon as possible. Notes: "Code Name: Bomb" and "Traditional Triumph" are DOUBLE DVDs and are in PAL FORMAT. Brilliant DVDs for your TRIUMPH archives. You may get to see John Clancy in action as FOT''s videographer at KASTNER CUP 2013. More on that later. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Dec 9 13:36:13 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 15:36:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] NOMINATIONS ANDY PACKARD & CREGG COWAN (West Coast) In-Reply-To: References: <8CF9D5DF83D686E-5C8-39505@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> <1FAE768B-D151-46D4-8DC5-7379A2CEDAF5@att.net> <8CFA2B9CC53E963-F70-23C4@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFA463F68A2F84-6B4-317E8@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Please welcome Andy and Cregg to the FOT with "seconds" for both of them. They are preparing a TR4 for endurance racing on the west coast. Of course they will need our support in this effort. Cregg is very familiar to me and you may have met him when we were all together at the Laguna Seca Kastner Cup. Andy Packard is also familiar to me and a fellow VTR member. Andy Packard apackard68 at att.net Cregg Cowan cregg.cowan at sri.com Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Packard To: Joe Alexander Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:52 am Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 It's endurance racing, so there are a minimum of four drivers for weekend driving of about eight hours each Saturday and Sunday. Cregg and I are the most experienced drivers and John is more technical, although all of us are very mechanical and have restored at least one of our own cars. I have a TR250 with Ratco frame and triple webers among other upgrades. It looks stock and drives fast winning FTD at two VTR events and most Triumphest autocrosses. Cregg has two TR6's, a driver and one in restoration. John has restored a Spitfire with a rotary engine and is working on a TR4 resto right now. If you want to just add one person to the FOT group, I would make it Cregg, but I would also like to be in on the group too. Andy On Dec 7, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: Andy, who is going to be the primary driver and is the most technical? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Packard To: Joe Alexander Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:43 am Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 Hi Joe: Cregg Cowan, John Sisler and I are putting a TR4 Lemons race car together here in the Bay Area. We're hoping to tap into some of the race prep knowledge of the FOT, but it looks like we need your permission to access the Facebook group. One primary issue we have is identifying the correct size racing seat options for a TR4. We're trying to schedule the roll cage construction and having the seat in place will help insure we have the correct clearances for our tallest drivers. Any assistance you can provide in helping us connect with your group would be appreciated. Andy Packard On Nov 30, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Just a heads up...... > > I talked to Sean last night > > Sean Alexander has three conversion kits left on the shelf. > > If you are planning on doing this conversion, you may consider reserving one. > > It takes Sean about 8 weeks to manufacture and assemble 25 kits and he has > three kids active in sports. :-) > > You can contact Sean at: alex3rail at gmail.com > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/apackard68 at att.net From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 9 13:41:34 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 15:41:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] NOMINATIONS ANDY PACKARD & CREGG COWAN (West Coast) Message-ID: Seconded. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Joe Alexander wrote: > Please welcome Andy and Cregg to the FOT with "seconds" for both of them. > >They are preparing a TR4 for endurance racing on the west coast. Of course >they will need our support in this effort. > >Cregg is very familiar to me and you may have met him when we were all >together at the Laguna Seca Kastner Cup. Andy Packard is also familiar to me >and a fellow VTR member. > >Andy Packard apackard68 at att.net >Cregg Cowan cregg.cowan at sri.com > >Thanks! > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Andrew Packard >To: Joe Alexander >Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:52 am >Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 > > >It's endurance racing, so there are a minimum of four drivers for weekend >driving of about eight hours each Saturday and Sunday. Cregg and I are the >most experienced drivers and John is more technical, although all of us are >very mechanical and have restored at least one of our own cars. I have a >TR250 with Ratco frame and triple webers among other upgrades. It looks stock >and drives fast winning FTD at two VTR events and most Triumphest autocrosses. >Cregg has two TR6's, a driver and one in restoration. John has restored a >Spitfire with a rotary engine and is working on a TR4 resto right now. >If you want to just add one person to the FOT group, I would make it Cregg, >but I would also like to be in on the group too. >Andy > > > > > >On Dec 7, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > >Andy, who is going to be the primary driver and is the most technical? > > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Andrew Packard >To: Joe Alexander >Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:43 am >Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 > > >Hi Joe: >Cregg Cowan, John Sisler and I are putting a TR4 Lemons race car together here >in the Bay Area. We're hoping to tap into some of the race prep knowledge of >the FOT, but it looks like we need your permission to access the Facebook >group. >One primary issue we have is identifying the correct size racing seat options >for a TR4. We're trying to schedule the roll cage construction and having the >seat in place will help insure we have the correct clearances for our tallest >drivers. > >Any assistance you can provide in helping us connect with your group would be >appreciated. > >Andy Packard > >On Nov 30, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> Just a heads up...... >> >> I talked to Sean last night >> >> Sean Alexander has three conversion kits left on the shelf. >> >> If you are planning on doing this conversion, you may consider reserving >one. >> >> It takes Sean about 8 weeks to manufacture and assemble 25 kits and he has >> three kids active in sports. :-) >> >> You can contact Sean at: alex3rail at gmail.com >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> ________________________________________ >> >> 6pack at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/apackard68 at att.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Dec 9 13:52:02 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 15:52:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination - FOT SHAWN FRANK SPITFIRE AUTOCROSS IOWA In-Reply-To: <1354902809.77576.YahooMailNeo@web112507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <8CF9BB360FB847A-1E00-27692@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> <1354832071.65824.YahooMailNeo@web112513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2A8FD9A4FB0-F70-15DD@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354899232.20721.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2B55F7A4D1A-F70-1FE3@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354902809.77576.YahooMailNeo@web112507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFA4662BFFB164-6B4-31E06@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Please welcome Shawn to the FOT list with a "second" and a greeting. Shawn lowers the average age of the FOT.....this is needed as the rest of get older. Shawn is from IOWA....this is good, as we dont have many members in Iowa. Shawn is already making reservations at the OSTHOF to join us at the KCUP 2013. I think Shawn has about 4.5 Spitfires, which means he is in a lot of trouble already, but we can try to help. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Dec 9 14:00:12 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 15:00:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination - FOT SHAWN FRANK SPITFIRE AUTOCROSS IOWA In-Reply-To: <8CFA4662BFFB164-6B4-31E06@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF9BB360FB847A-1E00-27692@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> <1354832071.65824.YahooMailNeo@web112513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2A8FD9A4FB0-F70-15DD@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354899232.20721.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2B55F7A4D1A-F70-1FE3@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354902809.77576.YahooMailNeo@web112507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA4662BFFB164-6B4-31E06@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Seconded! We need another Young Gun to battle the Racing Retireds! Cheers, Tony Drews At 02:52 PM 12/9/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > >Please welcome Shawn to the FOT list with a "second" and a greeting. > >Shawn lowers the average age of the FOT.....this is needed as the rest of get >older. > >Shawn is from IOWA....this is good, as we dont have many members in Iowa. > >Shawn is already making reservations at the OSTHOF to join us at the KCUP >2013. > >I think Shawn has about 4.5 Spitfires, which means he is in a lot of trouble >already, but we can try to help. > >Thanks! > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From mark at bradakis.com Sun Dec 9 14:19:27 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 14:19:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination - FOT SHAWN FRANK SPITFIRE AUTOCROSS IOWA In-Reply-To: <8CFA4662BFFB164-6B4-31E06@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF9BB360FB847A-1E00-27692@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> <1354832071.65824.YahooMailNeo@web112513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2A8FD9A4FB0-F70-15DD@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354899232.20721.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2B55F7A4D1A-F70-1FE3@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354902809.77576.YahooMailNeo@web112507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA4662BFFB164-6B4-31E06@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50C5005F.9070601@bradakis.com> Gee whiz, Joe - it is Sunday, why are you making me work so hard? Actually I do have some stopwatches laying around my desk, leftovers from IVR, I should have seen just how many seconds it took me to add the three new guys. Oh, I did do some work on Team.Net earlier, the search function in the archives ( link below ) should be working again. mjb. From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Sun Dec 9 14:19:21 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 13:19:21 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination - FOT SHAWN FRANK SPITFIRE AUTOCROSS IOWA In-Reply-To: <20121209210052.2A2C84225B@autox.team.net> References: <8CF9BB360FB847A-1E00-27692@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> <1354832071.65824.YahooMailNeo@web112513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2A8FD9A4FB0-F70-15DD@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354899232.20721.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2B55F7A4D1A-F70-1FE3@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354902809.77576.YahooMailNeo@web112507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA4662BFFB164-6B4-31E06@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> <20121209210052.2A2C84225B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE11334E4@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Second the second! Shawn's primary Spit is a neat car, with a great story. He is worthy. Ed Dunn West Coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd. Suite D-101 Encinitas, CA 92024 760-492-3814 West Coast Vintage Racing -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 1:00 PM To: Joe Alexander; fot at autox.team.net Cc: my71spit13 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination - FOT SHAWN FRANK SPITFIRE AUTOCROSS IOWA Seconded! We need another Young Gun to battle the Racing Retireds! Cheers, Tony Drews At 02:52 PM 12/9/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > >Please welcome Shawn to the FOT list with a "second" and a greeting. > >Shawn lowers the average age of the FOT.....this is needed as the rest >of get older. > >Shawn is from IOWA....this is good, as we dont have many members in Iowa. > >Shawn is already making reservations at the OSTHOF to join us at the >KCUP 2013. > >I think Shawn has about 4.5 Spitfires, which means he is in a lot of >trouble already, but we can try to help. > >Thanks! > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 9 15:34:41 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 14:34:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination - FOT SHAWN FRANK SPITFIRE AUTOCROSS IOWA Message-ID: <1355092481.46855.androidMobile@web112513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thank you very much for the nomination, Joe, and thanks guys for the second and second second! I plan on building my 78 Spitfire into an autocross and rallyX specific. My 71 MKIV will remain my daily driver and also autocrosser until the 78 is done. I am honored to be nominated, and really love these little cars. Obviously, since there is a 64 MK1, a 71 MKIV, a 78 1500, a 79 half 1500, and an 80 1500. I am currently working on an 80 1500, a 71 TR6, and an 80 TR8 for clients. I plan on autocrossing the TR8 when it is done. It is beautiful. I guess what I'm trying to say is: Triumphs have chosen me, and I humbly accept my duties as care taker for a little while at least. Thank you all once again, and hope to see you all at the KCup...Shawn Frank Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From chasgee at aol.com Sun Dec 9 17:55:19 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 16:55:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 Message-ID: <814E3314-8153-4E5A-BC9B-8803830828B1@aol.com> Hello fellow FOTers, I've been looking for a new fiberglass hood for my Spitfire, but all the usual places won't respond to my inquiries. Does anyone have a current active source for these hoods? Thanks, From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Dec 9 18:48:42 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 01:48:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] NOMINATIONS ANDY PACKARD & CREGG COWAN (West Coast) In-Reply-To: <8CFA463F68A2F84-6B4-317E8@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <505303740.1017427.1355104122489.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'll add a second to the nomination of Andy and Cregg. They are very active with our Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club and dedicated to all things Triumph related. They will be an asset to the FoT. Cregg has a really sweet TR6 and Andy has an amazing TR250 which he restored to perfection with many performance mods. They will both love being connected to this group. Thanks for nominating them, Joe. Dave Hogye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: "cregg cowan" , apackard68 at att.net Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2012 12:36:13 PM Subject: [Fot] NOMINATIONS ANDY PACKARD & CREGG COWAN (West Coast) Please welcome Andy and Cregg to the FOT with "seconds" for both of them. They are preparing a TR4 for endurance racing on the west coast. Of course they will need our support in this effort. Cregg is very familiar to me and you may have met him when we were all together at the Laguna Seca Kastner Cup. Andy Packard is also familiar to me and a fellow VTR member. Andy Packard apackard68 at att.net Cregg Cowan cregg.cowan at sri.com Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Packard To: Joe Alexander Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:52 am Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 It's endurance racing, so there are a minimum of four drivers for weekend driving of about eight hours each Saturday and Sunday. Cregg and I are the most experienced drivers and John is more technical, although all of us are very mechanical and have restored at least one of our own cars. I have a TR250 with Ratco frame and triple webers among other upgrades. It looks stock and drives fast winning FTD at two VTR events and most Triumphest autocrosses. Cregg has two TR6's, a driver and one in restoration. John has restored a Spitfire with a rotary engine and is working on a TR4 resto right now. If you want to just add one person to the FOT group, I would make it Cregg, but I would also like to be in on the group too. Andy On Dec 7, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: Andy, who is going to be the primary driver and is the most technical? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Packard To: Joe Alexander Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:43 am Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 Hi Joe: Cregg Cowan, John Sisler and I are putting a TR4 Lemons race car together here in the Bay Area. We're hoping to tap into some of the race prep knowledge of the FOT, but it looks like we need your permission to access the Facebook group. One primary issue we have is identifying the correct size racing seat options for a TR4. We're trying to schedule the roll cage construction and having the seat in place will help insure we have the correct clearances for our tallest drivers. Any assistance you can provide in helping us connect with your group would be appreciated. Andy Packard On Nov 30, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Just a heads up...... > > I talked to Sean last night > > Sean Alexander has three conversion kits left on the shelf. > > If you are planning on doing this conversion, you may consider reserving one. > > It takes Sean about 8 weeks to manufacture and assemble 25 kits and he has > three kids active in sports. :-) > > You can contact Sean at: alex3rail at gmail.com > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/apackard68 at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From levilevi at comcast.net Sun Dec 9 20:24:48 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 20:24:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] NOMINATIONS ANDY PACKARD & CREGG COWAN (West Coast) In-Reply-To: <8CFA463F68A2F84-6B4-317E8@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF9D5DF83D686E-5C8-39505@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> <1FAE768B-D151-46D4-8DC5-7379A2CEDAF5@att.net> <8CFA2B9CC53E963-F70-23C4@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <8CFA463F68A2F84-6B4-317E8@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: A hardy second for them both. Andy and Cregg are great guys. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Dec 9, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Please welcome Andy and Cregg to the FOT with "seconds" for both of > them. > > They are preparing a TR4 for endurance racing on the west coast. Of > course > they will need our support in this effort. > > Cregg is very familiar to me and you may have met him when we were all > together at the Laguna Seca Kastner Cup. Andy Packard is also > familiar to me > and a fellow VTR member. > > Andy Packard apackard68 at att.net > Cregg Cowan cregg.cowan at sri.com > > Thanks! > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Packard > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:52 am > Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 > > > It's endurance racing, so there are a minimum of four drivers for > weekend > driving of about eight hours each Saturday and Sunday. Cregg and I > are the > most experienced drivers and John is more technical, although all of > us are > very mechanical and have restored at least one of our own cars. I > have a > TR250 with Ratco frame and triple webers among other upgrades. It > looks stock > and drives fast winning FTD at two VTR events and most Triumphest > autocrosses. > Cregg has two TR6's, a driver and one in restoration. John has > restored a > Spitfire with a rotary engine and is working on a TR4 resto right now. > If you want to just add one person to the FOT group, I would make it > Cregg, > but I would also like to be in on the group too. > Andy > > > > > > On Dec 7, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > > Andy, who is going to be the primary driver and is the most technical? > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Packard > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:43 am > Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 > > > Hi Joe: > Cregg Cowan, John Sisler and I are putting a TR4 Lemons race car > together here > in the Bay Area. We're hoping to tap into some of the race prep > knowledge of > the FOT, but it looks like we need your permission to access the > Facebook > group. > One primary issue we have is identifying the correct size racing > seat options > for a TR4. We're trying to schedule the roll cage construction and > having the > seat in place will help insure we have the correct clearances for > our tallest > drivers. > > Any assistance you can provide in helping us connect with your group > would be > appreciated. > > Andy Packard > > On Nov 30, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> Just a heads up...... >> >> I talked to Sean last night >> >> Sean Alexander has three conversion kits left on the shelf. >> >> If you are planning on doing this conversion, you may consider >> reserving > one. >> >> It takes Sean about 8 weeks to manufacture and assemble 25 kits and >> he has >> three kids active in sports. :-) >> >> You can contact Sean at: alex3rail at gmail.com >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> ________________________________________ >> >> 6pack at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/apackard68 at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From mmoore at wave1.net Mon Dec 10 09:14:28 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 11:14:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gauges rebuilt Message-ID: <001701cdd6f1$6ee8def0$4cba9cd0$@net> I am looking for someone to repair my speedometer and tach in my street TR4 over the winter. Who would you recommend? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 10:17:37 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 11:17:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Gauges rebuilt In-Reply-To: <001701cdd6f1$6ee8def0$4cba9cd0$@net> References: <001701cdd6f1$6ee8def0$4cba9cd0$@net> Message-ID: <7097348A-4E96-46A1-80DE-645F44702273@gmail.com> MIke, Try Nisonger (nisonger.com) in New York. They repaired a modified Smiths tachometer for me on a Morgan. Duncan On Dec 10, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Mike Moore wrote: > I am looking for someone to repair my speedometer and tach in my street TR4 > over the winter. Who would you recommend? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From rjl6n at cstone.net Mon Dec 10 11:27:56 2012 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:27:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gauges Rebuilt Message-ID: <25ea2d38474e8dce1975539648c13364.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> I've had good results with both Nisonger and with Palo Alto Speedometers in the past. John On Mon, December 10, 2012 12:17 pm, Duncan Charlton wrote: > MIke, > > Try Nisonger (nisonger.com) in New York. They repaired a modified Smiths > tachometer for me on a Morgan. > > Duncan > > On Dec 10, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Mike Moore wrote: > >> I am looking for someone to repair my speedometer and tach in my street >> TR4 >> over the winter. Who would you recommend? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> Michael T. Moore, CPA >> >> 2007 West 32nd Street >> >> Erie, PA 16508 >> >> >> >> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >> >> Fax: 814-864-7383 From rwestfall at ymail.com Mon Dec 10 11:42:17 2012 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:42:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Gauges rebuilt Message-ID: <1355164937.61749.YahooMailClassic@web161806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 12/10/12, Russell Westfall wrote: From: Russell Westfall Subject: Re: [Fot] Gauges rebuilt To: fot at autoxteam.net Date: Monday, December 10, 2012, 6:38 PM You could also try; APT Insruments International 9632 Humbolt Ave So. Bloomington MN. 55431 (952) 881 9632 They did the gauges for my M.G. T.D. and they came out beautiful, redyed the face remade the glass covers everything. Not cheap, but good. Russ Westfall --- On Mon, 12/10/12, Duncan Charlton wrote: From: Duncan Charlton Subject: Re: [Fot] Gauges rebuilt To: "Mike Moore" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Date: Monday, December 10, 2012, 5:17 PM MIke, Try Nisonger (nisonger.com) in New York. They repaired a modified Smiths tachometer for me on a Morgan. Duncan On Dec 10, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Mike Moore wrote: > I am looking for someone to repair my speedometer and tach in my street TR4 > over the winter. Who would you recommend? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com From clw2000 at msn.com Mon Dec 10 11:48:11 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:48:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 In-Reply-To: <814E3314-8153-4E5A-BC9B-8803830828B1@aol.com> References: <814E3314-8153-4E5A-BC9B-8803830828B1@aol.com> Message-ID: Chuck - Did you try prodbodies.com ? Thanks, Chuck Watson > From: chasgee at aol.com > Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 16:55:19 -0800 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 > > Hello fellow FOTers, > > I've been looking for a new fiberglass hood for my Spitfire, but all the usual > places won't respond to my inquiries. Does anyone have a current active source > for these hoods? > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From clw2000 at msn.com Mon Dec 10 11:48:22 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:48:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 In-Reply-To: <814E3314-8153-4E5A-BC9B-8803830828B1@aol.com> References: <814E3314-8153-4E5A-BC9B-8803830828B1@aol.com> Message-ID: Chuck - Did you try prodbodies.com ? Thanks, Chuck Watson > From: chasgee at aol.com > Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 16:55:19 -0800 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 > > Hello fellow FOTers, > > I've been looking for a new fiberglass hood for my Spitfire, but all the usual > places won't respond to my inquiries. Does anyone have a current active source > for these hoods? > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Dec 10 12:49:46 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:49:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1959 June Sprints Cool OLD Video Message-ID: A couple of Triumphs in here. Check out the TR3 roll bar that heads backwards from the top of the roll hoop to the TOW HITCH AREA! Like the Pepsi Advertising on the bridge. You might notice a few changes in the landscape on the edge of the track... Night and Day compared to Today. This is some of the best early footage I have seen of Road America. http://vimeo.com/49357431 Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From John.Reed at wilson.com Mon Dec 10 14:02:20 2012 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:02:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1959 June Sprints Cool OLD Video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I love the hands off the steering wheel brake test, in the tech barn! On 12/10/12 1:49 PM, "jason ostrowski" wrote: A couple of Triumphs in here. Check out the TR3 roll bar that heads backwards from the top of the roll hoop to the TOW HITCH AREA! Like the Pepsi Advertising on the bridge. You might notice a few changes in the landscape on the edge of the track... Night and Day compared to Today. This is some of the best early footage I have seen of Road America. http://vimeo.com/49357431 Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.reed at wilson.com John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services [cid:3437996540_16638571] Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W. Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago IL 60631: USA T: 1 773.714.6895 F: 1 773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com http://www.wilson.com http://www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] From budscars at comcast.net Mon Dec 10 14:49:19 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:49:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 1959 June Sprints Cool OLD Video References: Message-ID: <6F38B23F7C8A4B0AACFC0E124CC0BCD4@Bud> Thanks for the Terrific video!!! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reed, John" To: "jason ostrowski" ; "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 1959 June Sprints Cool OLD Video >I love the hands off the steering wheel brake test, in the tech barn! > > > On 12/10/12 1:49 PM, "jason ostrowski" wrote: > > A couple of Triumphs in here. Check out the TR3 roll bar that heads > backwards from the top of the roll hoop to the TOW HITCH AREA! > Like the Pepsi Advertising on the bridge. > You might notice a few changes in the landscape on the edge of the > track... > Night and Day compared to Today. > This is some of the best early footage I have seen of Road America. > http://vimeo.com/49357431 > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.reed at wilson.com > > > > > John Reed > Global Staff Photographer > Creative Services > > [cid:3437996540_16638571] > > Wilson Sporting Goods Co. > 8750 W. Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago IL 60631: USA > T: 1 773.714.6895 F: 1 773.714.4585 > John.Reed at wilson.com http://www.wilson.com http://www.amersports.com > > > > This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you > are > not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please > notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized > copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is > strictly > forbidden. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of > image.png] > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From chasgee at aol.com Mon Dec 10 15:18:42 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:18:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 In-Reply-To: References: <814E3314-8153-4E5A-BC9B-8803830828B1@aol.com> Message-ID: <440696A0-FD79-45CC-87A8-E1195E0E7996@aol.com> Yes, more than once. They haven't responded yet. Chuck On Dec 10, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Charles WATSON wrote: > Chuck - > > Did you try prodbodies.com ? > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > > > > > > From: chasgee at aol.com > > Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 16:55:19 -0800 > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 > > > > Hello fellow FOTers, > > > > I've been looking for a new fiberglass hood for my Spitfire, but all the usual > > places won't respond to my inquiries. Does anyone have a current active source > > for these hoods? > > > > Thanks, > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Dec 10 15:26:54 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Two GT6's for sale in Denver for $2K, for both. Message-ID: <1702694417.921003.1355178414588.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Two GT6's for sale in Denver for $2K, for both. NFI, just FYI OK? 10-4 http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/3455721569.html jim g From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Mon Dec 10 15:27:48 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 14:27:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 In-Reply-To: <440696A0-FD79-45CC-87A8-E1195E0E7996@aol.com> References: <814E3314-8153-4E5A-BC9B-8803830828B1@aol.com> <440696A0-FD79-45CC-87A8-E1195E0E7996@aol.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133503@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Might check with Joe Siam. All of his Spits have glass front ends. Ed Dunn -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Gee Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 2:19 PM To: Charles WATSON Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 Yes, more than once. They haven't responded yet. Chuck On Dec 10, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Charles WATSON wrote: > Chuck - > > Did you try prodbodies.com ? > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > > > > > > From: chasgee at aol.com > > Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 16:55:19 -0800 > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 > > > > Hello fellow FOTers, > > > > I've been looking for a new fiberglass hood for my Spitfire, but all the usual > > places won't respond to my inquiries. Does anyone have a current active source > > for these hoods? > > > > Thanks, > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 10 15:50:55 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:50:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Two GT6's for sale in Denver for $2K, for both. In-Reply-To: <1702694417.921003.1355178414588.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1702694417.921003.1355178414588.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <50C6674F.4000508@bradakis.com> Good thing I didn't see this back when I had the money earlier this summer! mjb. From wgrosenbach at juno.com Mon Dec 10 15:55:40 2012 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (wgrosenbach at juno.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:55:40 GMT Subject: [Fot] 1959 June Sprints Cool OLD Video Message-ID: <20121210.155540.30475.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Gotta love the F&C workers standing at the apex with paddle flags! ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] 1959 June Sprints Cool OLD Video Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:49:46 -0600 A couple of Triumphs in here. Check out the TR3 roll bar that heads backwards from the top of the roll hoop to the TOW HITCH AREA! Like the Pepsi Advertising on the bridge. You might notice a few changes in the landscape on the edge of the track... Night and Day compared to Today. This is some of the best early footage I have seen of Road America. http://vimeo.com/49357431 Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wgrosenbach at juno.com ____________________________________________________________ Veteran Home Loans Apply for VA Loans with competitive interest rates at Military.com. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50c668b8e6e7368b83010st02vuc From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Dec 10 17:20:17 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:20:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... Message-ID: Hi, I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net Ever the pot-stirrer, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From budscars at comcast.net Mon Dec 10 17:48:50 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 16:48:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... References: Message-ID: <3ADD57A859E4430FB4DA5FF40900C2AA@Bud> The PA Hillclimbs have a marvelous history. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 4:20 PM Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > Hi, > > I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem > to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from > my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like > the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the > non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held > 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the > autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers > who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... > > Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. > > Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net > > Ever the pot-stirrer, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Dec 10 18:14:09 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:14:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFA553F523F277-1DC0-5421@webmail-m175.sysops.aol.com> Excellent! We have been exploring alternative uses of our cars. MN has a couple hillclimbs and airport autocrosses we are looking at. Lower cost family activity for us and frequently requires less time with everybody's busy schedules. Not much interested in parking lots and pylons.....did that for 10 years, but it is another choice. Thanks Bob! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert M. Lang To: fot Sent: Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:20 pm Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... Hi, I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net Ever the pot-stirrer, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From budscars at comcast.net Mon Dec 10 18:57:45 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:57:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... References: <8CFA553F523F277-1DC0-5421@webmail-m175.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5EF100571CD1456693D166A8C829808F@Bud> it seems that there are/were some hillclimbs in Idaho? RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: ; Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > Excellent! > > We have been exploring alternative uses of our cars. > > MN has a couple hillclimbs and airport autocrosses we are looking at. > > Lower cost family activity for us and frequently requires less time with > everybody's busy schedules. > > Not much interested in parking lots and pylons.....did that for 10 years, > but > it is another choice. > > Thanks Bob! > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert M. Lang > To: fot > Sent: Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:20 pm > Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > > > Hi, > > I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem > to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from > my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like > the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the > non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held > 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the > autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers > who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... > > Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. > > Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net > > Ever the pot-stirrer, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 10 19:55:54 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:55:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: <5EF100571CD1456693D166A8C829808F@Bud> References: <8CFA553F523F277-1DC0-5421@webmail-m175.sysops.aol.com> <5EF100571CD1456693D166A8C829808F@Bud> Message-ID: <50C6A0BA.2010208@bradakis.com> RACER BUD wrote: > it seems that there are/were some hillclimbs in Idaho? I don't really know if those are still around. When I was active with the local SCCA region I heard about them, would put the info in the SCCA newsletter. Back in the mid - late 90s IVR ran a few hillclimbs. Those were fun. Killer's first public appearance was at the 1997 Snow Basin hillclimb. But we lost both our twisty mountain roads to construction for the 2002 Utah Olympics and shifted focus to the "road" races out at the Wendover airport. 2013 may see me once again take a modestly active part in local motorsports, I'll look into the Idaho hillclimbs. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 10 20:01:31 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:01:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimbs Message-ID: <50C6A20B.9030001@bradakis.com> Hillclimb info for out here in my neck of the woods: http://www.nhahillclimb.org/ mjb. From sjanzen at me.com Mon Dec 10 20:15:36 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:15:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F7505C0-CE5F-4C45-9948-060B1674A412@me.com> Pa hill climbs are lots of fun and the hills have a lot of history - they've been running Giants Despair continuously since 1906. They have one every two weeks from June 8th to Sept 14, only one hill repeated, and it's a terrific one (Weatherly). Good paddock scene, great variety of cars and people, quite a few spectators as these are local, small town events, Pagoda and Duryea being bigger (in Reading). No run-off, no guard rails, just the real deal - rocks, trees sone walls and occasionally getting airborne. Only caveat for you road racers is that driving time is limited. If things run smoothly, you might get four runs in a day, 1-3 minutes a shot depending on the hill. Entry fees are low. Rich Rock is one of the hill climb experts on this forum, being one of the organizers and having run them for years. And yes, there are usually several Triumphs. On Dec 10, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Robert M. Lang wrote: Hi, I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net Ever the pot-stirrer, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From dkettler1 at charter.net Mon Dec 10 20:54:01 2012 From: dkettler1 at charter.net (David Kettler) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:54:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Gauges rebuilt In-Reply-To: <001701cdd6f1$6ee8def0$4cba9cd0$@net> References: <001701cdd6f1$6ee8def0$4cba9cd0$@net> Message-ID: Mike: Had a TR3 Tach repaired by British Miles in Morrisville, PA this year. 215-736-9300. I was satisfied with the work. Dave Kettler -----Original Message----- From: Mike Moore Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 10:14 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Gauges rebuilt I am looking for someone to repair my speedometer and tach in my street TR4 over the winter. Who would you recommend? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dkettler1 at charter.net From triumphs at consolidated.net Mon Dec 10 21:45:02 2012 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:45:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimbs In-Reply-To: <50C6A20B.9030001@bradakis.com> References: <50C6A20B.9030001@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <9BF31657-2747-4A6C-8B63-3E34536E85BD@consolidated.net> Cool. Thank you. Kg Sent from my iPad On Dec 10, 2012, at 9:01 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Hillclimb info for out here in my neck of the woods: > > http://www.nhahillclimb.org/ > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From triumphs at consolidated.net Mon Dec 10 21:56:29 2012 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:56:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: <0F7505C0-CE5F-4C45-9948-060B1674A412@me.com> References: <0F7505C0-CE5F-4C45-9948-060B1674A412@me.com> Message-ID: <12163DBE-0097-4E80-948B-D592B3B6C0F4@consolidated.net> Put me on the list, at least to spectate :-) There is a fun hill climb, believe it or not, in Western Indiana. Newport. It runs once a year, in October and is limited to pre WWII cars (unless the manufacture is out of business, then it the early 1950's). It starts right at the courthouse door and runs a drag race straight up a steep hill. Ken Gano Sent from my iPad On Dec 10, 2012, at 9:15 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > Pa hill climbs are lots of fun and the hills have a lot of history - they've been running Giants Despair continuously since 1906. They have one every two weeks from June 8th to Sept 14, only one hill repeated, and it's a terrific one (Weatherly). Good paddock scene, great variety of cars and people, quite a few spectators as these are local, small town events, Pagoda and Duryea being bigger (in Reading). No run-off, no guard rails, just the real deal - rocks, trees sone walls and occasionally getting airborne. > Only caveat for you road racers is that driving time is limited. If things run smoothly, you might get four runs in a day, 1-3 minutes a shot depending on the hill. > Entry fees are low. Rich Rock is one of the hill climb experts on this forum, being one of the organizers and having run them for years. > > And yes, there are usually several Triumphs. > > On Dec 10, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > > Hi, > > I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... > > Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. > > Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net > > Ever the pot-stirrer, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From hakhutch at roadrunner.com Tue Dec 11 06:46:57 2012 From: hakhutch at roadrunner.com (Tim Hutchisen) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 08:46:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... References: Message-ID: <380AD35DAAC446C182CAB7A757602FE6@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Bob and other East Coast FOT'ers, The PA hillclimb circuit has lots of history and good events. If you can't make it to any of the PA events, you can try a little closer to home for a good hillclimb event. New England Hill Climb Association (NEHA) is quite active throughout the warm season in the Northeast. A half dozen or so events every year, most are in Vermont. Go to http://hillclimb.org/index.html for more info. Lots of variety in the paddock and good people too. Tim Hutchisen Norway, ME ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:20 PM Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > Hi, > > I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem > to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from > my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like > the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the > non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held > 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the > autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers > who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... > > Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. > > Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net > > Ever the pot-stirrer, > rml From sjanzen at me.com Mon Dec 10 20:15:36 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:15:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F7505C0-CE5F-4C45-9948-060B1674A412@me.com> Pa hill climbs are lots of fun and the hills have a lot of history - they've been running Giants Despair continuously since 1906. They have one every two weeks from June 8th to Sept 14, only one hill repeated, and it's a terrific one (Weatherly). Good paddock scene, great variety of cars and people, quite a few spectators as these are local, small town events, Pagoda and Duryea being bigger (in Reading). No run-off, no guard rails, just the real deal - rocks, trees sone walls and occasionally getting airborne. Only caveat for you road racers is that driving time is limited. If things run smoothly, you might get four runs in a day, 1-3 minutes a shot depending on the hill. Entry fees are low. Rich Rock is one of the hill climb experts on this forum, being one of the organizers and having run them for years. And yes, there are usually several Triumphs. On Dec 10, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Robert M. Lang wrote: Hi, I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net Ever the pot-stirrer, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 07:34:23 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 08:34:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1959 June Sprints Cool OLD Video In-Reply-To: <6F38B23F7C8A4B0AACFC0E124CC0BCD4@Bud> References: <6F38B23F7C8A4B0AACFC0E124CC0BCD4@Bud> Message-ID: I found it surprising ing how little the track itself has changed. The configuration of the turns/straights looked pretty much as it did last time I saw it, about 4 or 5 years ago. Duncan On Dec 10, 2012, at 3:49 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > Thanks for the Terrific video!!! > RB From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 11 07:58:03 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 09:58:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: <380AD35DAAC446C182CAB7A757602FE6@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> References: <380AD35DAAC446C182CAB7A757602FE6@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: <8CFA5C70DA88A1C-A94-888E@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> The TAIL OF THE DRAGON HILL CLIMB is growing in popularity. I saw JK Jackson and Gary Hunter there this year. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tim Hutchisen To: Robert M. Lang ; fot Sent: Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:23 am Subject: Re: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... Bob and other East Coast FOT'ers, The PA hillclimb circuit has lots of history and good events. If you can't make it to any of the PA events, you can try a little closer to home for a good hillclimb event. New England Hill Climb Association (NEHA) is quite active throughout the warm season in the Northeast. A half dozen or so events every year, most are in Vermont. Go to http://hillclimb.org/index.html for more info. Lots of variety in the paddock and good people too. Tim Hutchisen Norway, ME ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:20 PM Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > Hi, > > I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem > to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from > my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like > the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the > non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held > 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the > autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers > who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... > > Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. > > Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net > > Ever the pot-stirrer, > rml _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 08:42:37 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:42:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: <8CFA5C70DA88A1C-A94-888E@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> References: <380AD35DAAC446C182CAB7A757602FE6@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> <8CFA5C70DA88A1C-A94-888E@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Now that is a ride if you have never done it.....and the dragon bites someone every year....I have heard more than one horror story from wrecks on that run. On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > The TAIL OF THE DRAGON HILL CLIMB is growing in popularity. I saw JK > Jackson > and Gary Hunter there this year. > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Hutchisen > To: Robert M. Lang ; fot > Sent: Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:23 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > > > Bob and other East Coast FOT'ers, > The PA hillclimb circuit has lots of history and good events. If you can't > make it to any of the PA events, you can try a little closer to home for a > good hillclimb event. New England Hill Climb Association (NEHA) is quite > active throughout the warm season in the Northeast. A half dozen or so > events every year, most are in Vermont. Go to > http://hillclimb.org/index.html for more info. > Lots of variety in the paddock and good people too. > Tim Hutchisen > Norway, ME > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:20 PM > Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > > > > Hi, > > > > I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem > > to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from > > my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like > > the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the > > non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held > > 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the > > autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers > > who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... > > > > Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. > > > > Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net > > > > Ever the pot-stirrer, > > rml > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 11 08:51:27 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:51:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: References: <380AD35DAAC446C182CAB7A757602FE6@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> <8CFA5C70DA88A1C-A94-888E@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFA5CE838CA66A-A94-8EB3@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> a transponder is recommended so they can find your remains...... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Deanes To: Joe Alexander Cc: hakhutch ; lang ; fot Sent: Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:42 am Subject: Re: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... Now that is a ride if you have never done it.....and the dragon bites someone every year....I have heard more than one horror story from wrecks on that run. On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: The TAIL OF THE DRAGON HILL CLIMB is growing in popularity. I saw JK Jackson and Gary Hunter there this year. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tim Hutchisen To: Robert M. Lang ; fot Sent: Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:23 am Subject: Re: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... Bob and other East Coast FOT'ers, The PA hillclimb circuit has lots of history and good events. If you can't make it to any of the PA events, you can try a little closer to home for a good hillclimb event. New England Hill Climb Association (NEHA) is quite active throughout the warm season in the Northeast. A half dozen or so events every year, most are in Vermont. Go to http://hillclimb.org/index.html for more info. Lots of variety in the paddock and good people too. Tim Hutchisen Norway, ME ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:20 PM Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > Hi, > > I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem > to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from > my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like > the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the > non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held > 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the > autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers > who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... > > Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. > > Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net > > Ever the pot-stirrer, > rml _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com -- rob deanes TR Racer From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 11 09:15:41 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:15:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS Message-ID: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> FOT; We have now exceeded our contracted number of suites at the OSTHOF. I need to contract an addendum. They will work with us on this, but I need information. If you have not made reservations yet, but plan to, please contact me. Being at the Osthof is part of the weekend experience and is cost effective when suites are shared. Please respond to this request................................................and our earlier request for your plans to enter. Entry plans are vital for several reasons........for one, VSCDA will use this information to negotiate with track management. It will be to our benefit if everyone responds to their plans for entry. Shortly, you will see the promotion of this event being amped up. VSCDA has asked for the artwork for the FOT LOGO. BTW, we are self sponsored and now up to 20 "SPONSORS' in the FOT RANKS. Generously, too. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue Dec 11 09:23:50 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:23:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> cheapskate that I am, I'm wondering what staying at the track is like? Power in the paddock, decent showers, extra charges for camping? On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: FOT; We have now exceeded our contracted number of suites at the OSTHOF. I need to contract an addendum. They will work with us on this, but I need information. If you have not made reservations yet, but plan to, please contact me. Being at the Osthof is part of the weekend experience and is cost effective when suites are shared. Please respond to this request................................................and our earlier request for your plans to enter. Entry plans are vital for several reasons........for one, VSCDA will use this information to negotiate with track management. It will be to our benefit if everyone responds to their plans for entry. Shortly, you will see the promotion of this event being amped up. VSCDA has asked for the artwork for the FOT LOGO. BTW, we are self sponsored and now up to 20 "SPONSORS' in the FOT RANKS. Generously, too. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Tue Dec 11 09:33:14 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:33:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> Message-ID: Scott, that's a good question. I'm also racing in a budget and typically camp at the track and love it actually... Perhaps I'll make the haul next year. If I do it would be my first US event. I think the KCup would be a great 1st too... Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-11, at 11:25 AM, "Scott Janzen" wrote: > cheapskate that I am, I'm wondering what staying at the track is like? Power in the paddock, decent showers, extra charges for camping? > > On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > FOT; > > We have now exceeded our contracted number of suites at the OSTHOF. > > I need to contract an addendum. They will work with us on this, but I need > information. > > If you have not made reservations yet, but plan to, please contact me. > > Being at the Osthof is part of the weekend experience and is cost effective > when suites are shared. > > Please respond to this > request................................................and our earlier request > for your plans to enter. > > Entry plans are vital for several reasons........for one, VSCDA will use this > information to negotiate with track management. It will be to our benefit if > everyone responds to their plans for entry. > > Shortly, you will see the promotion of this event being amped up. VSCDA has > asked for the artwork for the FOT LOGO. > > BTW, we are self sponsored and now up to 20 "SPONSORS' in the FOT RANKS. > Generously, too. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 11 09:34:11 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:34:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> Message-ID: <8CFA5D47BECE1EC-A94-9431@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> ROADAMERICA.COM will give you all of that information. Road America charges for everything, but the infrastructure for camping is excellent. I usually prefer staying at the track, myself. It's a great place to be when the track goes to sleep and wakes up in the morning. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:23 am Subject: Re: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS cheapskate that I am, I'm wondering what staying at the track is like? Power in the paddock, decent showers, extra charges for camping? On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: FOT; We have now exceeded our contracted number of suites at the OSTHOF. I need to contract an addendum. They will work with us on this, but I need information. If you have not made reservations yet, but plan to, please contact me. Being at the Osthof is part of the weekend experience and is cost effective when suites are shared. Please respond to this request................................................and our earlier request for your plans to enter. Entry plans are vital for several reasons........for one, VSCDA will use this information to negotiate with track management. It will be to our benefit if everyone responds to their plans for entry. Shortly, you will see the promotion of this event being amped up. VSCDA has asked for the artwork for the FOT LOGO. BTW, we are self sponsored and now up to 20 "SPONSORS' in the FOT RANKS. Generously, too. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From jason at multivintage.com Tue Dec 11 09:40:52 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:40:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> Message-ID: Scott, All the cool people stay at the track. Don't worry about that. They have half way decent showers and all that. We usually do the stuff downtown elkhart and osthoff then head back to the track for some serious campfire and a level of partying to be determined by whether or not your car is working or not. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:23:50 To: Joe Alexander Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS cheapskate that I am, I'm wondering what staying at the track is like? Power in the paddock, decent showers, extra charges for camping? On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: FOT; We have now exceeded our contracted number of suites at the OSTHOF. I need to contract an addendum. They will work with us on this, but I need information. If you have not made reservations yet, but plan to, please contact me. Being at the Osthof is part of the weekend experience and is cost effective when suites are shared. Please respond to this request................................................and our earlier request for your plans to enter. Entry plans are vital for several reasons........for one, VSCDA will use this information to negotiate with track management. It will be to our benefit if everyone responds to their plans for entry. Shortly, you will see the promotion of this event being amped up. VSCDA has asked for the artwork for the FOT LOGO. BTW, we are self sponsored and now up to 20 "SPONSORS' in the FOT RANKS. Generously, too. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Dec 11 09:44:10 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:44:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Dec 2012, Scott Janzen wrote: > cheapskate that I am, I'm wondering what staying at the track is like? > Power in the paddock, decent showers, extra charges for camping? >From experience: staying at the track is okay. There's decent showers available and not too hard to find. I forget the charge for camping, but it was reasonable. Actually, we might have camped for free at the 2007 MOTRAH event based on our entry fee / crew status. The one problem with Road America is that it can get fairly cold, based on the 2007 experience. It was in the 30's on SUN morming. That was May, but Sep might not be any "better" in that regard. My current plan is to camp. But I might change my mind if I can get a group from New England to make the trek. On the other hand, I might be making a stop at RA on my way back from Solo Nationals... my plans are that much "up in the air" right now. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 11 09:50:16 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:50:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] INFORMATION SOURCES KCUP 2013 and THANK YOU! Message-ID: <8CFA5D6BA8A8F96-A94-96A9@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> roadamerica.com vscda.org osthoff.com fot-racing.com We want to thank everyone who have reported their intentions to enter or attend. Also, thanks to all who have made early reservations at the OSTHOFF. Extreme appreciation goes to those who are making this event financially possible. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 11 09:56:55 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:56:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <1990299364-1355244053-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1196878571-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> <1990299364-1355244053-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1196878571-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <8CFA5D7A87D09C2-A94-9777@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> What Jason said.....exactly. Except the showers are almost first class KOHLER. ALSO, the more information we have on entries and attendees, the easier it will be to ask for PADDOCK SPACE to contain us all. I am particularly interested in the layout of the paddock as that is where we spend most of our time. Jason, I plan to go in a day early to garner space in the paddock. Want to help? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Tue Dec 11 10:27:22 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Yahoo) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:27:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> Message-ID: <4BC14D99-7C39-4A03-80F0-E29CBE9F68C4@yahoo.com> 30 degrees. Do we need to bring spikes! Ty Sent from my iPhone '63 Triumph TR4 DP Race Car ++++ On Dec 11, 2012, at 9:44 AM, "Robert M. Lang" wrote: > On Tue, 11 Dec 2012, Scott Janzen wrote: > >> cheapskate that I am, I'm wondering what staying at the track is like? Power in the paddock, decent showers, extra charges for camping? > > From experience: staying at the track is okay. There's decent showers available and not too hard to find. I forget the charge for camping, but it was reasonable. Actually, we might have camped for free at the 2007 MOTRAH event based on our entry fee / crew status. > > The one problem with Road America is that it can get fairly cold, based on the 2007 experience. It was in the 30's on SUN morming. That was May, but Sep might not be any "better" in that regard. > > My current plan is to camp. But I might change my mind if I can get a group from New England to make the trek. > > On the other hand, I might be making a stop at RA on my way back from Solo Nationals... my plans are that much "up in the air" right now. > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 11 10:37:09 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:37:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <4BC14D99-7C39-4A03-80F0-E29CBE9F68C4@yahoo.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> <4BC14D99-7C39-4A03-80F0-E29CBE9F68C4@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFA5DD47D02A12-A94-9C40@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> WRONG! This is the first weekend after AUGUST! Bob was talking about the first weekend in May. 30 degrees. Do we need to bring spikes! TySent from my iPhone'63 Triumph TR4 DP Race Car++++On Dec 11, 2012, at 9:44 AM, "Robert M. Lang" wrote:> From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Dec 11 10:39:57 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:39:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS Message-ID: <1e18e.743690a5.3df8c9ed@aol.com> In a message dated 12/11/2012 11:28:17 AM Central Standard Time, tylerpthompson at yahoo.com writes: > 30 degrees. Do we need to bring spikes! > The September vintage event at ROAD AMERICA has usually been blessed with what we call 'Indian Summer' weather. Yes, cooler nights and mornings, but summer like weather during the day. Yes, Wisconsin weather can be an issue, but I've lived here all my life and September and October are our best months. For sure bring a sweat shirt and/or jacket for in the morning or at night, but expect to get by with short sleeves and shorts during the day. With any luck, the trees will begin showing their fall colors. If you don't get to experienced that where you are from...you will be in for a treat. Quite frankly, it does not get any better. Bill Dentinger From jason at multivintage.com Tue Dec 11 10:40:57 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:40:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <8CFA5D7A87D09C2-A94-9777@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> <1990299364-1355244053-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1196878571-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CFA5D7A87D09C2-A94-9777@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Yes, I will gladly help with that. Concerning power in the paddock... There are some outlets placed in certain areas. But there is no guarantee that we will all have access. I always bring the cords AND the generator to RA. Sometimes you get easy acesss sometimes you don't. Efforts will certainly be made for Triumph area to have power near but that will shake out in due time. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:56:55 To: Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS What Jason said.....exactly. Except the showers are almost first class KOHLER. ALSO, the more information we have on entries and attendees, the easier it will be to ask for PADDOCK SPACE to contain us all. I am particularly interested in the layout of the paddock as that is where we spend most of our time. Jason, I plan to go in a day early to garner space in the paddock. Want to help? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Tue Dec 11 11:46:08 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 13:46:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <1e18e.743690a5.3df8c9ed@aol.com> References: <1e18e.743690a5.3df8c9ed@aol.com> Message-ID: 30, heck that's tropical for me :) Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-11, at 12:44 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/11/2012 11:28:17 AM Central Standard Time, > tylerpthompson at yahoo.com writes: > > >> 30 degrees. Do we need to bring spikes! >> > The September vintage event at ROAD AMERICA has usually been blessed with > what we call 'Indian Summer' weather. Yes, cooler nights and mornings, but > summer like weather during the day. Yes, Wisconsin weather can be an issue, > but I've lived here all my life and September and October are our best > months. For sure bring a sweat shirt and/or jacket for in the morning or at > night, but expect to get by with short sleeves and shorts during the day. With > any luck, the trees will begin showing their fall colors. If you don't get > to experienced that where you are from...you will be in for a treat. Quite > frankly, it does not get any better. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From triosan at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 13:34:47 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:34:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <8CFA5D7A87D09C2-A94-9777@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> <1990299364-1355244053-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1196878571-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CFA5D7A87D09C2-A94-9777@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Will there be a "Test n Tune" day on Thursday [aka, get to know the track]? On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > What Jason said.....exactly. Except the showers are almost first class > KOHLER. > > ALSO, the more information we have on entries and attendees, the easier it > will be to ask for PADDOCK SPACE to contain us all. I am particularly > interested in the layout of the paddock as that is where we spend most of > our > time. > > Jason, I plan to go in a day early to garner space in the paddock. Want to > help? > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From mark at bradakis.com Tue Dec 11 16:45:03 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:45:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sweet Sixteen Message-ID: <50C7C57F.5060406@bradakis.com> December 11, 1996 - The first of many messages to this FOT list went out. Still one of my favorite lists, with lots of great people! Happy Birthday to all of us! mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Tue Dec 11 17:03:19 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:03:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Sweet Sixteen References: <50C7C57F.5060406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <80B2214780F04830931A5B43DD73CBA1@Bud> HAPPY BIRTHDAY FOT! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:45 PM Subject: [Fot] Sweet Sixteen > December 11, 1996 - The first of many messages to this FOT list went out. > > Still one of my favorite lists, with lots of great people! > > Happy Birthday to all of us! > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Dec 11 18:17:17 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:17:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sweet Sixteen References: <50C7C57F.5060406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <667089CEE5564B24B51587C71186E2DE@hpd530> Mine's tomorrow, 12-12-12!!!!!! And I'm ssure not 16 anymore!!!! (I'll be singing the old Beatles song). Peace. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 6:45 PM Subject: [Fot] Sweet Sixteen > December 11, 1996 - The first of many messages to this FOT list went out. > > Still one of my favorite lists, with lots of great people! > > Happy Birthday to all of us! > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 06:23:25 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 05:23:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction Message-ID: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Dec 12 06:45:04 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:45:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Race it. jim g -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Shawn Frank Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:23 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From jhouathome at aol.com Wed Dec 12 07:07:03 2012 From: jhouathome at aol.com (John Houlton) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 08:07:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <20121212135616.0353640E60@autox.team.net> References: <20121212135616.0353640E60@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <3647B9A2-1059-4A13-8379-AA01D0E6ED2F@aol.com> Yes, race it. Race it now! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2012, at 7:45 AM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > Race it. > > > jim g > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Shawn Frank > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:23 AM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction > > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com From tarch at bellsouth.net Wed Dec 12 07:21:26 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:21:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <3647B9A2-1059-4A13-8379-AA01D0E6ED2F@aol.com> References: <20121212135616.0353640E60@autox.team.net> <3647B9A2-1059-4A13-8379-AA01D0E6ED2F@aol.com> Message-ID: <004801cdd873$f8ee2e10$eaca8a30$@net> The smart option is to restore it! Spend 2 years and $35,000 on it. Make it a beautify machine and sell it for $25,000. You've only lost 2 years and 10 Gs. Think about how much farther ahead you are than if you raced it....:) Richard Taylor TR-4 196 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Houlton Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:07 AM To: Jim Gray Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction Yes, race it. Race it now! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2012, at 7:45 AM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > Race it. > > > jim g > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Shawn Frank > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:23 AM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction > > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we > should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft > top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net From rjl6n at cstone.net Wed Dec 12 07:22:33 2012 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:22:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <646205ca60831bffc51ee311764fe2ed.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Race car! John On Wed, December 12, 2012 8:23 am, Shawn Frank wrote: > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't > start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 07:27:03 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 08:27:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C07A943-BC01-4EBB-A415-FA22BDD936F9@yahoo.com> Carb or FI? Each have their idiosyncrasies. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Shawn Frank wrote: > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Dec 12 07:45:49 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:45:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Could it be a "street able track day car"? You'd get more seat time and pleasure for your money and leave a door open to further convert to full race later. It would make an excellent race car for sure. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-12, at 8:23 AM, "Shawn Frank" wrote: > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 07:49:35 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:49:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction Message-ID: <1355323775.66227.androidMobile@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> It is a 1980 convertible, green, with AC. It is a very nice find for the price, and would not take much to get it on the road. Should we do an Edelbrock manifold and carb? Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 08:02:07 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 07:02:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction Message-ID: <1355324527.23495.androidMobile@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> It will stay in our fleet as of right now. I agree that we should get it running and drive it. I am hoping to have 3 of our fleet heading to the KCup, including the TR8, a 71 Spitfire MKIV, and an 80 Spitfire 1500. I will try to post pics tonight, as we (friend of mine) head over to see about turning it over tonight. Cross your fingers...shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Dec 12 08:06:18 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:06:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction Message-ID: <1fd34.419073f.3df9f76a@aol.com> In a message dated 12/12/2012 8:46:14 AM Central Standard Time, vangoughv at hotmail.com writes: > Could it be a "street able track day car"? > You'd get more seat time and pleasure for your money and leave a door open > to > further convert to full race later. It would make an excellent race car > for sure. > More than a few people think that aluminum engine is one of the best engines ever built. We had one in a Buick mid-sized convertible, and it was a great little car. Pound for pound...it sure had a lot of power. Bill Dentinger From stutzmans at comcast.net Wed Dec 12 08:33:09 2012 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:33:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <004801cdd873$f8ee2e10$eaca8a30$@net> References: <20121212135616.0353640E60@autox.team.net><3647B9A2-1059-4A13-8379-AA01D0E6ED2F@aol.com> <004801cdd873$f8ee2e10$eaca8a30$@net> Message-ID: <53BEAEF7439B43D29AC2CF16136829B5@ComputerPC> Give the car and $5000 to somebody else. That way you will have only lost $5000 and none of your time. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Taylor" To: "'John Houlton'" ; "'Jim Gray'" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > The smart option is to restore it! > > Spend 2 years and $35,000 on it. Make it a beautify machine and sell it > for > $25,000. You've only lost 2 years and 10 Gs. > > Think about how much farther ahead you are than if you raced it....:) > > Richard Taylor > TR-4 196 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of John Houlton > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:07 AM > To: Jim Gray > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > Yes, race it. Race it now! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 12, 2012, at 7:45 AM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > >> Race it. >> >> >> jim g >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of Shawn Frank >> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:23 AM >> To: FOT at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction >> >> We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we >> should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft >> top, doesn't > start >> and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? >> HELP! Shawn >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Dec 12 08:58:29 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:58:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Trans Message-ID: Advice on Synchro Rings....TR4 close ratio gears, stock case....The last ones I got from Quantumechanics lasted for almost one race weekend before the shift into 4th. Started to "grind" Now after the 3rd. Race it's starting to "grind" into 3rd. As well. What's the best choice and from where? Thanks to all..... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 12 07:55:21 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 08:55:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8B76EDC8-E315-4B66-8CE5-13CD3B50CF4B@sbcglobal.net> Who is we? I'd say get it to run, get all of the systems back into working order, drive the car to see if you like it then decide what to do with it. D On Dec 12, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Shawn Frank wrote: > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From riverside at southslope.net Wed Dec 12 10:45:33 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:45:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2989F6793663441096461FDE760CC76F@rileyPC> WE have had a few TR8's in here. You will have the usual fuel system and hydraulics movies to attend. If you are going to have fun with it on the street, I would remove all the A/C stuff and put on an offy intake with a small holly with center pivot floats. Get some decent rubber and call it good without a big investment. Making it serious fast will eat you alive. If you don't want to fool with it, contact me off group. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Frank Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:23 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2634/5452 - Release Date: 12/11/12 From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 12 11:35:48 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:35:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 Information Sources Message-ID: <8CFA6AEA3EED886-C68-20494@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com> Well, this is exciting. I am getting a big rush of inquiries........ Host Hotel: THE OSTHOFF RESORT HOTEL osthoff.com Lots of action here with the car show and old course reenactment....short walk to historic Siebkins. Rates as I remember them: GUEST ROOM $139.00 One Bedroom Suite $159.00 Two Bedroom Suite $189.00 Three Bedroom Suite $239.00 The suites also have hideabed couches in the living room. Can be Very cost effective when shared. Use FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH when calling in for 20% discount. Use FRIEND for code if reserving online. VSCDA is the Sanctioning Body: vscda.org for all entry information as it becomes available. If you have a SCCA or other TRIUMPH outside the normal guidelines of VINTAGE/HISTORIC, please contact me. There is usually a test and tune option....and cancellation policies are quite liberal. ROAD AMERICA is the venue: roadamerica.com for all camping and gate information, as touring options. As time goes on you will see more information forthcoming from VSCDA and ROAD AMERICA on their websites and in advertising. For a lot of reasons, this is a near perfect fit for this year's KASTNER CUP. Thanks for all of the inquiries in the past few days. The more interest we have, the easier it will be for the FOT and VSCDA to get some added attention from Road America. Considerable attention is being paid to VTR and the immediately surrounding CAR CLUBS......this translates into "GATE" and added excitement for the weekend. Thanks once again, to those folks who have become our SPONSORS for the weekend. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Wed Dec 12 13:03:57 2012 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 06:03:57 +1000 Subject: [Fot] re Trans (syncro rings) Message-ID: I've given up with recent repros. i buy up every old TR or T2000 box i can find and take the genuine rings out, measure up clearances on a brand new gear and pick the best ones, typically 1st and 4th. if someone has a source of properly made rings, let us all know, but dont dare suggest the crap sold by Moss or Rimmers or County Terry O'Beirne Australia From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Dec 12 13:17:13 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:17:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355323775.66227.androidMobile@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355323775.66227.androidMobile@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1D563084-0FF5-4593-9755-2F934C50D047@gmail.com> The engine will respond to tuning. I recall that the TR8 had a low compression engine, a less-than-ideal intake manifold, and a smog camshaft. Throttle response is greatly improved with a bump in compression and an Edelbrock carb and intake manifold. There is a lot of advice on the 'net about improving performance in these engines, which are the UK equivalent of the 350 small-block Chevy engine as far as performance experience and practice. Our 1971 Morgan Plus 8, which started life with a 3.5 Rover engine (10.25:1 compression ratio), had a rather wheezy salvaged TR8 engine in it when we bought it in 2003. The Morgan now has the same basic BOP/Rover engine but a higher compression ratio (9.35:1), an Edelbrock/Weber/Carter carburetor (easier setup than the Holley -- after all the tuning checks I ended up having changed nothing but the idle mixture and speed) and manifold, a Piper 272 camshaft and coated headers from a later Plus 8. I did port-matching only on the TR8's SD1-spec heads. It retains plenty of low-end torque but it will wind out to 6000+ rpm if one wishes. Want more power? Rover Vitesse heads would be the best stock heads (unless you want to get fancy and use a set of aluminum 1964-only Buick 300 heads; they breathe well -- you'd need to jigger the intake manifold fit and use different exhaust manifolds). There are a couple of aftermarket heads out there (Wildcat is one) but I'm not convinced they are worth the money and trouble yet. There are production versions of the BOP/Rover engine in 3.9 liter, 4.0 (those two share the same B/S but blocks are slightly different), 4.2, 4.3, 4.4, 4.5, 4.6, and 5.0 liters but several of those sizes would be hard to find in the US, having been used on TVRs and some Australian cars. The 4.0 and 4.6 injected engines are pretty plentiful and are found in Range Rovers. Probably with what amounts to an RV camshaft, though, better to lug all that weight around. The 4.6 will give 225 hp and 280 lb/ft of torque, not bad given the TR8's weight. Or if that's not enough, upgrade to a 5.2 liter version of the same engine with a little help from RPI. Use the 3.5 front timing cover if you want to stay with a distributor instead of crank-triggered ignition. Not sure what to say about your transmission's reliability, though! Duncan (Texas) On Dec 12, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Shawn Frank wrote: > It is a 1980 convertible, green, with AC. It is a very nice find for the > price, and would not take much to get it on the road. Should we do an > Edelbrock manifold and carb? Shawn From fogbro1 at comcast.net Wed Dec 12 14:56:49 2012 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Give the owner $2000 and walk away from the car. You will save thousands of dollars and many hundred of hours of your life in the long run. Ed Woods (with credit to my brother Harvey for figuring this out years ago; although I have rarely heeded this advice.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Frank" To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:23:25 AM Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! B Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fogbro1 at comcast.net From sjanzen at me.com Wed Dec 12 15:10:04 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:10:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <0602961D-5D98-4E9C-8EC1-29754ABA59DC@me.com> I don't know, folks - most of this advice would apply to any of our cars - walk away? If I cared about my wrench time and money I'd be racing a Miata. Now, maybe a TR8 is not the one most of us love, but I bet they're a hoot to drive. Go ahead - get it running - see if you like it. On Dec 12, 2012, at 4:56 PM, fogbro1 at comcast.net wrote: Give the owner $2000 and walk away from the car. You will save thousands of dollars and many hundred of hours of your life in the long run. Ed Woods (with credit to my brother Harvey for figuring this out years ago; although I have rarely heeded this advice.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Frank" To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:23:25 AM Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! B Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fogbro1 at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Dec 12 15:30:42 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:30:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7FC1D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> How did this list get taken over by such soulless, fun-sucking pragmatists??? ;-) My vote - Get it running and drive it for a while before you spend any money on it. Then fall in love with it and invest thousands of dollars and weekend hours and either drive it on the street or turn it into a silly, impractical, expensive race car. Just like the rest of us. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fogbro1 at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 3:57 PM To: Shawn Frank Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction Give the owner $2000 and walk away from the car. You will save thousands of dollars and many hundred of hours of your life in the long run. Ed Woods (with credit to my brother Harvey for figuring this out years ago; although I have rarely heeded this advice.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Frank" To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:23:25 AM Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! B Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fogbro1 at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From alfetta95 at optonline.net Wed Dec 12 16:00:53 2012 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:00:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7FC1D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7FC1D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <7F17EBF8-622F-4187-8FD5-B22A336E3C5D@optonline.net> Fix it and drive the damn thing! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2012, at 5:30 PM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > How did this list get taken over by such soulless, fun-sucking pragmatists??? > ;-) > > My vote - Get it running and drive it for a while before you spend any money > on it. Then fall in love with it and invest thousands of dollars and weekend > hours and either drive it on the street or turn it into a silly, impractical, > expensive race car. Just like the rest of us. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of fogbro1 at comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 3:57 PM > To: Shawn Frank > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > Give the owner $2000 and walk away from the car. You will save thousands of > dollars and many hundred of hours of your life in the long run. > > > > Ed Woods (with credit to my brother Harvey for figuring this out years ago; > although I have rarely heeded this advice.) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Shawn Frank" > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:23:25 AM > Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction > > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! B Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fogbro1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net From rikrock at live.com Wed Dec 12 16:22:46 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:22:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Amici, I'm Vice-President of the Pennsylvania Hillclimb Association (PHA), a PHA tech inspector, and chairman of the Pagoda Hillclimb and Duryea Hillclimb in Reading, PA, so I should be able to answer any questions about PHA events, but here's some of the basic stuff: Our hillclimbs are sanctioned by the SCCA. In order to compete, a driver must be an SCCA member or hold a competition license from one of the VMC groups or some other road-race sanctioning body. In that case you'll just need to purchase an SCCA weekend membership ($15) at registration. Entry fees range from $145-$160. It's a two-day event, Saturday and Sunday. We run rain or shine. Number of runs you get depends on many things. On the longest hill with a large (100 entries) turnout, you might only get three runs each day. On the shorter hills with not as many entries you could get 6-8 runs each day. Not a lot of seat time compared to road racing, but the intensity is extremely high! Our hillclimbs are held on paved public roads which are in good to excellent condition. Got a really low car? Not a problem. Safety requirements are very similar to road racing. Full nomex, SA 2005 or newer helmet, minimum 5-point harness, fire extinguisher or system, a hillclimb-legal rollbar or cage (depends on the car). If you're an SCCA racer, or a vintage racer, you and your car are most likely equipped with everything you need to pass tech. Autocross cars, maybe, maybe not. The roll bar needs to be above the top of your helmet, so most "street" roll bars are not adequate. Pagoda Hillclimb (1.35 miles long) will be June 22-23 and Duryea 2.2 miles long will be August 17-18. We would love to have several FOT drivers show up! Feel free to get in touch with me any time and I'll be happy to answer any questions. Rich Rock From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Dec 12 16:38:38 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:38:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7FC1D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7FC1D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: YES Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-12, at 5:30 PM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > How did this list get taken over by such soulless, fun-sucking pragmatists??? > ;-) > > My vote - Get it running and drive it for a while before you spend any money > on it. Then fall in love with it and invest thousands of dollars and weekend > hours and either drive it on the street or turn it into a silly, impractical, > expensive race car. Just like the rest of us. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of fogbro1 at comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 3:57 PM > To: Shawn Frank > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > Give the owner $2000 and walk away from the car. You will save thousands of > dollars and many hundred of hours of your life in the long run. > > > > Ed Woods (with credit to my brother Harvey for figuring this out years ago; > although I have rarely heeded this advice.) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Shawn Frank" > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:23:25 AM > Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction > > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! B Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fogbro1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed Dec 12 17:22:24 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:22:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Trans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50C91FC0.9060703@blacksburg.net> On 12/12/2012 10:58 AM, john hasty wrote: > Advice on Synchro Rings....TR4 close ratio gears, stock case....The last > ones I got from Quantumechanics lasted for almost one race weekend before > the shift into 4th. Started to "grind" Now after the 3rd. Race it's > starting to "grind" into 3rd. As well. What's the best choice and from > where? > Thanks to all..... > John, I bought my last set from BFE. Ken's are almost too good, in that I had to shave 2 just a tad so the gbx would engage. They've held up really well (admittedly they haven't yet been pushed hard). They're a bit spendier than the usual suspects, but considering the time/effort required to pull the gbx, I think they're a good deal. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 12 17:51:14 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:51:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4A Exhaust Manifold Message-ID: A M I C I A friend of mine is rebuilding the engine in his very nice street TR4A. He is in need of the stock exhaust manifold - that's four into two. Anyone have one or know of one for sale? Thanks From kaskas at cox.net Wed Dec 12 18:19:55 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:19:55 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I started out with hillclimbs in Colorado in the middle 50's then progressed to road racing. It just a natural progression and I highly recommend that to any that are thinking about racing some time in the future. it still gives me pleasure that when I was running the Competition Department I put the Penn. State Hillclimb Assoc on the list for support and provided them funds during my time there. Good place to start. It takes concentration and the ability to determine your own speed as you do not have anyone close to see if you are fast or slow. GREAT stuff. Never be beaten by equipment > From: rikrock at live.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:22:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > > Amici, > > > > > > I'm Vice-President of the Pennsylvania Hillclimb Association (PHA), a PHA tech > inspector, and chairman of the Pagoda Hillclimb and Duryea Hillclimb in > Reading, PA, so I should be able to answer any questions about PHA events, but > here's some of the basic stuff: > > Our hillclimbs are sanctioned by the SCCA. In order to compete, a driver must > be an SCCA member or hold a competition license from one of the VMC groups or > some other road-race sanctioning body. In that case you'll just need to > purchase an SCCA weekend membership ($15) at registration. > > Entry fees range from $145-$160. It's a two-day event, Saturday and Sunday. > We run rain or shine. Number of runs you get depends on many things. On the > longest hill with a large (100 entries) turnout, you might only get three runs > each day. On the shorter hills with not as many entries you could get 6-8 > runs each day. Not a lot of seat time compared to road racing, but the > intensity is extremely high! > > Our hillclimbs are held on paved public roads which are in good to excellent > condition. Got a really low car? Not a problem. > > Safety requirements are very similar to road racing. Full nomex, SA 2005 or > newer helmet, minimum 5-point harness, fire extinguisher or system, a > hillclimb-legal rollbar or cage (depends on the car). If you're an SCCA > racer, or a vintage racer, you and your car are most likely equipped with > everything you need to pass tech. Autocross cars, maybe, maybe not. The roll > bar needs to be above the top of your helmet, so most "street" roll bars are > not adequate. > > Pagoda Hillclimb (1.35 miles long) will be June 22-23 and Duryea 2.2 miles > long will be August 17-18. We would love to have several FOT drivers show up! > Feel free to get in touch with me any time and I'll be happy to answer any > questions. > > Rich Rock > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From jibjib at att.net Wed Dec 12 18:21:16 2012 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:21:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76C82B6D236948BDAB41AF8A74D6F139@EntCentPC> I own one. Get it running and drive it for a while, then come back and ask us. Remember this started out as a GM engine, so crossover parts are plentyful. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Shawn Frank Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:23 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Dec 12 18:55:20 2012 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:55:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction Message-ID: <10f7a.6eb81ef8.3dfa8f88@aol.com> Myself, I'd really like to have a TR8 so if the decisions get too difficult give me a shout;-)) In a message dated 12/12/2012 5:22:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jibjib at att.net writes: I own one. Get it running and drive it for a while, then come back and ask us. Remember this started out as a GM engine, so crossover parts are plentyful. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Shawn Frank Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:23 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 19:20:28 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:20:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <10f7a.6eb81ef8.3dfa8f88@aol.com> References: <10f7a.6eb81ef8.3dfa8f88@aol.com> Message-ID: <2E4B6EFC-95B2-415E-A073-4E50ACF5EBD5@yahoo.com> I would like to have one of every Triumph made, but my garage is only so big, and I am married. Ty Tyler Thompson l National Account Executive - Public Safety Sector esri | One International Court | Broomfield, CO 80021 Phone: 303.449-7779 ext. 8260, cell: 719.510-1649 | E-mail: tyler_thompson at esri.com Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Dec 12, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > Myself, I'd really like to have a TR8 so if the decisions get too difficult > give me a shout;-)) > > > In a message dated 12/12/2012 5:22:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > jibjib at att.net writes: > > I own one. Get it running and drive it for a while, then come back and > ask > us. Remember this started out as a GM engine, so crossover parts are > plentyful. > > Jack > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Shawn Frank > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:23 AM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction > > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't > start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From tr6driver at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 19:39:00 2012 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:39:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <2E4B6EFC-95B2-415E-A073-4E50ACF5EBD5@yahoo.com> References: <10f7a.6eb81ef8.3dfa8f88@aol.com> <2E4B6EFC-95B2-415E-A073-4E50ACF5EBD5@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1355366340.27538.YahooMailNeo@web121601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Ty, Boy, do I feel lucky (blessed) right now. Between myself and my wife, we own 8 1/6 (1/6 interest in a TR6 racecar) Triumphs and another British car, in addition to the 4 or so "regular" vehicles. And I still have to stop her every time she sees a Viper... She just read this over my shoulder and reminded me I "owe" her another car. No, she doesn't have a sister. Two brothers only. Smiling, Jamie P.S. We too have limited garage space...so she wants to sell the house and move into something with (her words) "a 12-car garage with living space attached." I came home today to find she had finished painting the bathroom and started on the kitchen, so she's really serious about selling this house. I am a lucky man! >________________________________ >From: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" >To: "Gt6steve at aol.com" >Cc: "FOT at autox.team.net" >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:20 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > >I would like to have one of every Triumph made, but my garage is only so big, >and I am married. > >Ty > >Tyler Thompson l National Account Executive - Public Safety Sector >esri | One International Court | Broomfield, CO 80021 >Phone: 303.449-7779 ext. 8260, cell: 719.510-1649 | >E-mail: tyler_thompson at esri.com > > >Sent from my iPad >(Please excuse any errors or typos) > >On Dec 12, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > >> Myself, I'd really like to have a TR8 so if the decisions get too difficult >> give me a shout;-)) >> >> >> In a message dated 12/12/2012 5:22:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> jibjib at att.net writes: >> >> I own one. Get it running and drive it for a while, then come back and >> ask >> us. Remember this started out as a GM engine, so crossover parts are >> plentyful. >> >> Jack >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Shawn Frank >> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:23 AM >> To: FOT at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction >> >> We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do >> with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't >> start >> and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? >> HELP! Shawn >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com/ >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com/ >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com/ > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 19:43:15 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:43:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355366340.27538.YahooMailNeo@web121601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <10f7a.6eb81ef8.3dfa8f88@aol.com> <2E4B6EFC-95B2-415E-A073-4E50ACF5EBD5@yahoo.com> <1355366340.27538.YahooMailNeo@web121601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: LMFAO Clone her and you will be a millionaire! BTW, my wife had to have the "Hemi" in her Jeep, so she has similar race loving qualities... Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Dec 12, 2012, at 7:39 PM, Jamie Palmer wrote: > Ty, > > Boy, do I feel lucky (blessed) right now. Between myself and my wife, we own 8 1/6 (1/6 interest in a TR6 racecar) Triumphs and another British car, in addition to the 4 or so "regular" vehicles. And I still have to stop her every time she sees a Viper... > > She just read this over my shoulder and reminded me I "owe" her another car. > > No, she doesn't have a sister. Two brothers only. > > Smiling, > > Jamie > > P.S. We too have limited garage space...so she wants to sell the house and move into something with (her words) "a 12-car garage with living space attached." I came home today to find she had finished painting the bathroom and started on the kitchen, so she's really serious about selling this house. I am a lucky man! > > From: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" > To: "Gt6steve at aol.com" > Cc: "FOT at autox.team.net" > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > I would like to have one of every Triumph made, but my garage is only so big, > and I am married. > > Ty > > Tyler Thompson l National Account Executive - Public Safety Sector > esri | One International Court | Broomfield, CO 80021 > Phone: 303.449-7779 ext. 8260, cell: 719.510-1649 | > E-mail: tyler_thompson at esri.com > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > > On Dec 12, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > > > Myself, I'd really like to have a TR8 so if the decisions get too difficult > > give me a shout;-)) > > > > > > In a message dated 12/12/2012 5:22:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > jibjib at att.net writes: > > > > I own one. Get it running and drive it for a while, then come back and > > ask > > us. Remember this started out as a GM engine, so crossover parts are > > plentyful. > > > > Jack > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of Shawn Frank > > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:23 AM > > To: FOT at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction > > > > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't > > start > > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > > HELP! Shawn > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com/ > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com/ > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com/ > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Thu Dec 13 06:13:04 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:13:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8B76EDC8-E315-4B66-8CE5-13CD3B50CF4B@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: We are a group of Triumph racers, we talk about race cars here. You opened the door, now you have to race it. :-) That being said... I have TR8 street car with all the right stuff done to it and holy crap... All that power on an 88 inch wheelbase with street tires will keep your attention. So, yeah, it's a real hoot. But unlocking the potential of a stock TR8 is real money and time... If you are starting with a stock example, take a long look at the specs from the factory. Then think of what it will cost to make it what you really want. ----- Original Message ----- > On Dec 12, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Shawn Frank wrote: > >> We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should >> do >> with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't > start >> and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? >> HELP! Shawn From tedtsimx at bright.net Thu Dec 13 06:54:50 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:54:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Trans In-Reply-To: <50C91FC0.9060703@blacksburg.net> References: <50C91FC0.9060703@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <50C9DE2A.5060507@bright.net> The quality of the synchro rings has not improved withthe current crop. For years the best solution was to take good OE used synchro rings and machine .010" off the face. this buries the ring further onto the "cone". The syhchro operates by the machined "ridges" gripping the cone and slowing down the gear. Machining the face gets you past the worn "ridges and offers a grip as is new. Ted On 12/12/2012 7:22 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > On 12/12/2012 10:58 AM, john hasty wrote: >> Advice on Synchro Rings....TR4 close ratio gears, stock case....The last >> ones I got from Quantumechanics lasted for almost one race weekend >> before >> the shift into 4th. Started to "grind" Now after the 3rd. Race it's >> starting to "grind" into 3rd. As well. What's the best choice and from >> where? >> Thanks to all..... > John, I bought my last set from BFE. Ken's are almost too good, in > that I had to shave 2 just a tad so the gbx would engage. They've held > up really well (admittedly they haven't yet been pushed hard). > They're a bit spendier than the usual suspects, but considering the > time/effort required to pull the gbx, I think they're a good deal. > > jim > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Dec 13 07:28:04 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 09:28:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355323775.66227.androidMobile@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355323775.66227.androidMobile@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for advice on TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. My vote: race car. The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy one and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to zero. Sad, ut true. That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to TR8 and performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Dec 13 10:17:07 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:17:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I for one don't give a hoot about re-sale price. I have bags of money and time in my TR4 and wouldn't recover but a fraction of it if I ever chose to sell it. I do it becau se I love the sport and I love the car and I love the continued developement. The rewards ( for me ) cannot be measured in dollars .B We are all on budgets otherwise this would be Friends of Ferrari or Friends of Aston Martin or some such thing. If you love the car and have a vision for it's future just go for it and don't listen to people that try to put a value on your car. just my .02. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "Shawn Frank" Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:28:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction Hi, There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for advice on TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. My vote: race car. The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy one and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to zero. Sad, ut true. That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to TR8 and B performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 13 10:29:22 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 09:29:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Forums Message-ID: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum on Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a link I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank you in advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the only forum I can find right now..Shawn From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Dec 13 10:47:07 2012 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:47:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More Message-ID: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> Mark Bradakis, I tried to direct Shawn to Scions of Lucas site, but didnt do a good job of it. Can you help him find the list to subscribe to these other lists? Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in vintage racing...time marches on. > Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum > on Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a > link I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank you > in advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the only > forum I can find right now..Shawn > _______________________________________________ > From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 11:07:01 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:07:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I will agree to that..a TR-4 can be just as exspensive...all in what you want. On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:17 PM, wrote: > I for one don't give a hoot about re-sale price. I have bags of money and > time > in my TR4 > > and wouldn't recover but a fraction of it if I ever chose to sell it. I do > it > becau se I love the > > sport and I love the car and I love the continued developement. > > The rewards ( for me ) cannot be measured in dollars .B We are all on > budgets > otherwise this > > would be Friends of Ferrari or Friends of Aston Martin or some such thing. > > If you love the car and have a vision for it's future just go for it and > don't > listen to people that > > try to put a value on your car. > > just my .02. > > Jim G. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: "Shawn Frank" > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:28:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > Hi, > > There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for advice on > TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. > > My vote: race car. > > The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy one > and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to > zero. Sad, ut true. > > That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to TR8 > and B performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space > for > rent > Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | > Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: > 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 11:15:06 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:15:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Forums In-Reply-To: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Try the Triumph Wedge Association forum for TR-7/8 may have some info for you On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Shawn Frank wrote: > Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum > on Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a > link I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank you > in advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the only > forum I can find right now..Shawn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From mark at bradakis.com Thu Dec 13 11:40:47 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:40:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Forums In-Reply-To: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50CA212F.2080709@bradakis.com> Shawn Frank wrote: > Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum on Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a link I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? The Team.Net email lists are listed at http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo The Team.Net forums are currently broken. I really need to get those working again! mjb. From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 13 16:16:37 2012 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:16:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Forums References: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1355440597.1346.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I don't think Mark has the Wedge list. Goggle Triumph Wedge Owners Association; you should find information on the Wedge mail list. ________________________________ From: Shawn Frank To: "FOT at autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:29 AM Subject: [Fot] Forums Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum on Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a link I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank you in advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the only forum I can find right now..Shawn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Dec 13 17:58:54 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:58:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Forums In-Reply-To: <1355440597.1346.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1355440597.1346.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005701cdd996$30c3ea00$924bbe00$@rogers.com> http://www.team.net/TR7/Mailing-List.html It is one of Mark's And very active...thanks Mark -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ernest Husmann Sent: December 13, 2012 6:17 PM To: Shawn Frank; FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Forums I don't think Mark has the Wedge list. Goggle Triumph Wedge Owners Association; you should find information on the Wedge mail list. ________________________________ From: Shawn Frank To: "FOT at autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:29 AM Subject: [Fot] Forums Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum on Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a link I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank you in advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the only forum I can find right now..Shawn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Dec 13 18:30:29 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 20:30:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] RON SHARP SCCA OFFICIAL TO University of Iowa Hospitals Message-ID: <8CFA7B1BC42A013-1C3C-6A74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> If you had any kind of long term relationship with SCCA you may know Ron Sharp as a long time racer and SCCA Official. He is leaving Florida for treatment of cancer in Iowa. I have emails with more detail, if you wish to know more. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From igofaster at att.net Thu Dec 13 22:27:46 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:27:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved in a business decision" ... heck, the amount of money most of us spend to try to make these cars do something they were never intended to do is not financially responsible... we do it because we love the marque, hence, emotion over rules sound financial strategy... Merry Christmas ya'll..... Bobby To: Robert M. Lang Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, December 13, 2012 11:17:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction I for one don't give a hoot about re-sale price. I have bags of money and time in my TR4 and wouldn't recover but a fraction of it if I ever chose to sell it. I do it becau se I love the sport and I love the car and I love the continued developement. The rewards ( for me ) cannot be measured in dollars .B We are all on budgets otherwise this would be Friends of Ferrari or Friends of Aston Martin or some such thing. If you love the car and have a vision for it's future just go for it and don't listen to people that try to put a value on your car. just my .02. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "Shawn Frank" Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:28:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction Hi, There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for advice on TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. My vote: race car. The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy one and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to zero. Sad, ut true. That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to TR8 and B performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From kaskas at cox.net Thu Dec 13 23:15:57 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 06:15:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: All I ever wanted was to go FAST or even FASTER than everyone else.. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:27:46 -0800 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved in a > business decision" ... heck, the amount of money most of us spend to try to make > these cars do something they were never intended to do is not financially > responsible... we do it because we love the marque, hence, emotion over rules > sound financial strategy... > Merry Christmas ya'll..... > > Bobby > To: Robert M. Lang > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, December 13, 2012 11:17:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > I for one don't give a hoot about re-sale price. I have bags of money and time > in my TR4 > > and wouldn't recover but a fraction of it if I ever chose to sell it. I do it > becau se I love the > > sport and I love the car and I love the continued developement. > > The rewards ( for me ) cannot be measured in dollars .B We are all on budgets > otherwise this > > would be Friends of Ferrari or Friends of Aston Martin or some such thing. > > If you love the car and have a vision for it's future just go for it and don't > listen to people that > > try to put a value on your car. > > just my .02. > > Jim G. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: "Shawn Frank" > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:28:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > Hi, > > There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for advice on > TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. > > My vote: race car. > > The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy one > and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to > zero. Sad, ut true. > > That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to TR8 > and B performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for > rent > Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | > Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: > 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From tjwakeman at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 05:41:16 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:41:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved in a > business decision" . And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. TeriAnn From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 06:12:25 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:12:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> Message-ID: Once you sit inside one you will have a totally different feel because it isn't anything like a 3,4,6 or a GT, to me ...really different and nice...modern.....can almost feel the speed and from what I hear (mine isn't running yet) they handle better than a TR-6. good luck with the car and Merry Christmas to all. On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 7:41 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get >> involved in a >> business decision" . >> > And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with passion > and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. > > My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on the > steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while and see > where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. > > > TeriAnn > > ______________________________**_________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Dec 14 06:13:18 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:13:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> Message-ID: <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the wheel of a well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. We spec decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are kept to a minimum, if any. You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me 4 cars that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell and a cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint job. Then do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and harness, and you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you could even drive the thing to the track! How cool would that be? Who's in??? Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in > vintage racing...time marches on. From clw2000 at msn.com Fri Dec 14 06:22:54 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:22:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com>, <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: Interesting idea. Better looking than Miatas for sure. Cheap too! But only one within 500 miles of me in SC on EBay or CL. Thanks, Chuck Watson Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:13:18 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] Wedges > > As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. > Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the wheel of a > well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. > > One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I > envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. We spec > decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good > spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are kept to a > minimum, if any. > > You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me 4 cars > that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell and a > cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint job. Then > do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and harness, and > you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you could even drive > the thing to the track! > > How cool would that be? > > Who's in??? > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > > > Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in > > vintage racing...time marches on. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri Dec 14 06:57:21 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:57:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1355493441.37569.YahooMailClassic@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I'm in! It'll give me something fun to do with my Pimento '75. -Ed- --- On Fri, 12/14/12, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com Subject: [Fot] Wedges To: FOT at autox.team.net Date: Friday, December 14, 2012, 7:13 AM As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the wheel of a well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. We spec decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are kept to a minimum, if any. You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me 4 cars that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell and a cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint job. Then do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and harness, and you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you could even drive the thing to the track! How cool would that be? Who's in??? Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in > vintage racing...time marches on. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From kkjjk at aol.com Fri Dec 14 07:37:43 2012 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:37:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com>, <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <8CFA81FB58C695A-878-A28B@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> Sorry to enter this discussion after seeing only a few comments............TR7/8s are "Like nobody else's car".............They are truly very cool...........I have a racing GT6 that I have never had out on the track. I live in Maryland. Is there anyone whom can give me some guidance on how I can get it on the track somewhere around here (Summit Point, etc)? I only have one seat in it and I have been told that I need to have an instructor in the car with me before they will let me out on my own. Is this true? I would rather not have to put another seat in it. Any help would be great! Thanks- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Charles WATSON To: yellow04 ; FOT List Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 8:23 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges Interesting idea. Better looking than Miatas for sure. Cheap too! But only one within 500 miles of me in SC on EBay or CL. Thanks, Chuck Watson Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:13:18 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] Wedges > > As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. > Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the wheel of a > well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. > > One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I > envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. We spec > decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good > spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are kept to a > minimum, if any. > > You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me 4 cars > that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell and a > cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint job. Then > do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and harness, and > you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you could even drive > the thing to the track! > > How cool would that be? > > Who's in??? > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > > > Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in > > vintage racing...time marches on. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 08:16:15 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:16:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <8CFA81FB58C695A-878-A28B@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <8CFA81FB58C695A-878-A28B@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Henry , I'm in as I have two coupes, have thought many times over and over wheather to develope one into a racer, and many camp fires with the "getto" crowd on just what you are talking about, are we sticking with the 7 engine , lets get it rolling or more planning, On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM, wrote: > Sorry to enter this discussion after seeing only a few > comments............TR7/8s are "Like nobody else's car".............They > are > truly very cool...........I have a racing GT6 that I have never had out on > the > track. I live in Maryland. Is there anyone whom can give me some > guidance on > how I can get it on the track somewhere around here (Summit Point, etc)? I > only have one seat in it and I have been told that I need to have an > instructor in the car with me before they will let me out on my own. Is > this > true? I would rather not have to put another seat in it. Any help would > be > great! Thanks- Jay De Pol > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles WATSON > To: yellow04 ; FOT List > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 8:23 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > > Interesting idea. Better looking than Miatas for sure. Cheap too! But > only > one within 500 miles of me in SC on EBay or CL. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers > Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > > > > > > > > > > > From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > To: FOT at autox.team.net > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:13:18 -0500 > > Subject: [Fot] Wedges > > > > As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. > > Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the wheel > of > a > > well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. > > > > One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I > > envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. We > spec > > decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good > > spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are kept > to a > > minimum, if any. > > > > You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me 4 > cars > > that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell and > a > > cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint job. > Then > > do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and harness, > and > > you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you could even > drive > > the thing to the track! > > > > How cool would that be? > > > > Who's in??? > > > > Henry > > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > > > > > Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in > > > vintage racing...time marches on. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Dec 14 08:33:00 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:33:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Wedges Message-ID: <6735.2b4274e3.3dfca0ac@aol.com> In a message dated 12/14/2012 9:16:26 AM Central Standard Time, rfdeanes at gmail.com writes: > Henry , I'm in as I have two coupes, have thought many times over and > over > wheather to develope one into a racer, and many camp fires with the > "getto" > crowd on just what you are talking about, are we sticking with the 7 > engine > , lets get it rolling or more planning, > I do not know if they are still active, but years ago there was an outfit in Garland, Texas (John's Cars?) that made a career out of putting V6s into TR7s, and claiming the result to be superior to the TR8. This was in the mid-1980s. I almost bought a 'conversion kit' (I had a TR7 fixed head coupe) at the time, but my attention wandered. Don't know if they are still around. Bill Dentinger From emanteno at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 08:42:38 2012 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:42:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <6735.2b4274e3.3dfca0ac@aol.com> References: <6735.2b4274e3.3dfca0ac@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:33 AM, wrote: I do not know if they are still active, but years ago there was an outfit > in Garland, Texas (John's Cars?) that made a career out of putting V6s into > TR7s, and claiming the result to be superior to the TR8. This was in the > mid-1980s. I almost bought a 'conversion kit' (I had a TR7 fixed head > coupe) > at the time, but my attention wandered. Don't know if they are still > around. > They are. http://www.johnscars.com/ From riverside at southslope.net Fri Dec 14 08:53:57 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:53:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <6735.2b4274e3.3dfca0ac@aol.com> References: <6735.2b4274e3.3dfca0ac@aol.com> Message-ID: <88A951F72C42455188D2EE93105DB267@rileyPC> One of the locals put a 3.8 and 5 speed from a Camaro in a TR7 convertible and it was a very nice car. not as much grunt as the TR8 Holly conversion we did but still a very nice ride and 30 MPG. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:33 AM To: rfdeanes at gmail.com ; kkjjk at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges In a message dated 12/14/2012 9:16:26 AM Central Standard Time, rfdeanes at gmail.com writes: > Henry , I'm in as I have two coupes, have thought many times over and > over > wheather to develope one into a racer, and many camp fires with the > "getto" > crowd on just what you are talking about, are we sticking with the 7 > engine > , lets get it rolling or more planning, > I do not know if they are still active, but years ago there was an outfit in Garland, Texas (John's Cars?) that made a career out of putting V6s into TR7s, and claiming the result to be superior to the TR8. This was in the mid-1980s. I almost bought a 'conversion kit' (I had a TR7 fixed head coupe) at the time, but my attention wandered. Don't know if they are still around. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2634/5457 - Release Date: 12/13/12 From doddk at mossmotors.com Fri Dec 14 09:04:14 2012 From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Kelvin Dodd) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:04:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, when there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a waste. I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and I realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked effectively! The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority of classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is not a Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a market niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html Kelvin Dodd 1980 TR8 1980 SD1 Other stuff ________________________________ From: Shawn Frank To: "FOT at autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:29 AM Subject: [Fot] Forums Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum on Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a link I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank you in advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the only forum I can find right now..Shawn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "Shawn Frank" Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:28:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction Hi, There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for advice on TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. My vote: race car. The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy one and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to zero. Sad, ut true. That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to TR8 and B performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. regards, rml Message: 6 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:41:16 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction Message-ID: <50CB1E6C.8030501 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved in a > business decision" . And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. TeriAnn From harmug at us.ibm.com Fri Dec 14 09:09:58 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:09:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 73, Issue 26 TR7 spec racer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nothing good can come from this. I followed your suggestion, Look at Craigslist for a wedge. Found a guy 10 minutes from me (Poughkeepsie, NY) selling 3 of them, one on the road, two needing work and another cars worth of parts, all for $1400. The catch is you need to take everything. Didn't go over well on the home front. CL link if someone wants to take a look http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/cto/3443095179.html The good from this, found a just listed TR8, 20 minutes form me, hoping to look at it Saturday. mike G. Michael Harmuth 4 spits and a GT6 From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Dec 14 09:17:55 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:17:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <8CFA81FB58C695A-878-A28B@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002b01cdda16$93747130$ba5d5390$@rogers.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh9QFFabp2g&lc=f3pYT468USF0IKld1aVk3LsG-btQ_b BNnO0mCWj128o&lch=email&feature=em-comment_received A video of a vintage TR7 that ran GT2 back in the day. I restored it and recently sold it to someone who intends to race it this coming year. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Deanes Sent: December 14, 2012 10:16 AM To: kkjjk at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges Henry , I'm in as I have two coupes, have thought many times over and over wheather to develope one into a racer, and many camp fires with the "getto" crowd on just what you are talking about, are we sticking with the 7 engine , lets get it rolling or more planning, On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM, wrote: > Sorry to enter this discussion after seeing only a few > comments............TR7/8s are "Like nobody else's > car".............They are truly very cool...........I have a racing > GT6 that I have never had out on the track. I live in Maryland. Is > there anyone whom can give me some guidance on how I can get it on the > track somewhere around here (Summit Point, etc)? I only have one seat > in it and I have been told that I need to have an instructor in the > car with me before they will let me out on my own. Is this true? I > would rather not have to put another seat in it. Any help would be > great! Thanks- Jay De Pol > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles WATSON > To: yellow04 ; FOT List > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 8:23 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > > Interesting idea. Better looking than Miatas for sure. Cheap too! > But only one within 500 miles of me in SC on EBay or CL. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers > Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > > > > > > > > > > > From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > To: FOT at autox.team.net > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:13:18 -0500 > > Subject: [Fot] Wedges > > > > As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. > > Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the > > wheel > of > a > > well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. > > > > One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I > > envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. > > We > spec > > decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good > > spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are > > kept > to a > > minimum, if any. > > > > You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me > > 4 > cars > > that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell > > and > a > > cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint job. > Then > > do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and > > harness, > and > > you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you could > > even > drive > > the thing to the track! > > > > How cool would that be? > > > > Who's in??? > > > > Henry > > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > > > > > Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our > > > future in vintage racing...time marches on. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri Dec 14 10:04:50 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:04:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Message-ID: <8A5B770EC20B47AC9206D67F4B912B43@hpd530> Hi All, If anyone really wants a TR7, I have one. '77, 5 speed, interior good, body decent, low compression on #4 cylinder. Make me a reasonable offer. (I can't get out of the darned thing! Tough getting old! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelvin Dodd" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:04 AM Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, > when > there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a > waste. > > I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and > I > realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked > effectively! > > The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority > of > classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. > > Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is > not a > Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a > market > niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the > heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. > > I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. > > > You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. > > http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html > > > > > > Kelvin Dodd > 1980 TR8 > 1980 SD1 > Other stuff > > > ________________________________ > From: Shawn Frank > To: "FOT at autox.team.net" > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:29 AM > Subject: [Fot] Forums > > Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum > on > Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a > link > I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank you in > advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the only forum > I > can find right now..Shawn _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com > > > > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: "Shawn Frank" > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:28:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > Hi, > > There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for advice on > TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. > > My vote: race car. > > The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy one > and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to > zero. Sad, ut true. > > That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to TR8 > and B performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. > > regards, > rml > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:41:16 -0700 > From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > Message-ID: <50CB1E6C.8030501 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get >> involved > in a >> business decision" . > And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with > passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. > > My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on > the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while > and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. > > > TeriAnn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 14 10:07:36 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:07:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Message-ID: <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Kelvin, is right, according to John Clancy's well done DVD histories on Triumphs. I think I remember seeing a MG 'trial badge' on a TR7 while watching his DVD on TR7/8s. That being said, they still are in our TRIUMPH FAMILY and I suspect we need to bring them into vintage racing. A 'spec' category such as Henry suggests seems like good place to start. Kudos to Shawn Frank for launching this thread. A couple of years ago, it might not have gone anywhere. Its time has come? Once again, I recommend the John Clancy series on TRIUMPH HISTORY. -----Original Message----- From: Kelvin Dodd To: 'fot at autox.team.net' Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 10:04 am Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, when there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a waste. I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and I realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked effectively! The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority of classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is not a Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a market niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html Kelvin Dodd 1980 TR8 1980 SD1 Other stuff ________________________________ From levilevi at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 10:52:15 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:52:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: <8A5B770EC20B47AC9206D67F4B912B43@hpd530> References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> <8A5B770EC20B47AC9206D67F4B912B43@hpd530> Message-ID: <522C793E-5D88-4C94-B21A-1169F2DF4683@comcast.net> And I have a BOP 215 V8 engine that could go in it or any of the wedges I'd entertain unreasonable offers just to move it into the mix. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Dec 14, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Bill Tobin wrote: > Hi All, > If anyone really wants a TR7, I have one. '77, 5 speed, interior > good, body decent, low compression on #4 cylinder. > Make me a reasonable offer. > (I can't get out of the darned thing! Tough getting old! > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelvin Dodd" > > To: > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:04 AM > Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > >> It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race >> car, when >> there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of >> a waste. >> >> I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to >> rain and I >> realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually >> worked >> effectively! >> >> The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the >> majority of >> classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great >> value. >> >> Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover >> SD1 is not a >> Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to >> fit a market >> niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without >> the >> heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. >> >> I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. >> >> >> You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. >> >> http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html >> >> >> >> >> >> Kelvin Dodd >> 1980 TR8 >> 1980 SD1 >> Other stuff >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Shawn Frank >> To: "FOT at autox.team.net" >> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:29 AM >> Subject: [Fot] Forums >> >> Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 >> forum on >> Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is >> there a link >> I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank >> you in >> advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the >> only forum I >> can find right now..Shawn >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> From: "Robert M. Lang" >> To: "Shawn Frank" >> Cc: FOT at autox.team.net >> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:28:04 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction >> >> Hi, >> >> There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for >> advice on >> TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. >> >> My vote: race car. >> >> The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy >> one >> and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to >> zero. Sad, ut true. >> >> That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to >> TR8 >> and B performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. >> >> regards, >> rml >> Message: 6 >> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:41:16 -0700 >> From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction >> Message-ID: <50CB1E6C.8030501 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get >>> involved >> in a >>> business decision" . >> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >> >> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand >> on >> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a >> while >> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >> >> >> TeriAnn >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Dec 14 11:01:58 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:01:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> References: , <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net>, <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: if you really want to see how a TR8 should go, search out "Tony Pond" on youtube from the early/mid 80's in the UK rally championship. The ulster and manx rally's. > To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:07:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > Kelvin, is right, according to John Clancy's well done DVD histories on > Triumphs. > > I think I remember seeing a MG 'trial badge' on a TR7 while watching his DVD > on TR7/8s. > > That being said, they still are in our TRIUMPH FAMILY and I suspect we need to > bring them into vintage racing. > > A 'spec' category such as Henry suggests seems like good place to start. > > Kudos to Shawn Frank for launching this thread. A couple of years ago, it > might not have gone anywhere. Its time has come? > > Once again, I recommend the John Clancy series on TRIUMPH HISTORY. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelvin Dodd > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 10:04 am > Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, when > there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a waste. > > I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and I > realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked > effectively! > > The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority of > classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. > > Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is not a > Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a market > niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the > heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. > > I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. > > > You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. > > http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html > > > > > > Kelvin Dodd > 1980 TR8 > 1980 SD1 > Other stuff > > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 14 11:07:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:07:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: References: , <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net>, <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> I was also highly entertained by what BUFFETT and his wife did on rallies Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: n197tr4 ; doddk ; fot Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:01 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] TR8 Direction if you really want to see how a TR8 should go, search out "Tony Pond" on youtube from the early/mid 80's in the UK rally championship. The ulster and manx rally's. > To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:07:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > Kelvin, is right, according to John Clancy's well done DVD histories on > Triumphs. > > I think I remember seeing a MG 'trial badge' on a TR7 while watching his DVD > on TR7/8s. > > That being said, they still are in our TRIUMPH FAMILY and I suspect we need to > bring them into vintage racing. > > A 'spec' category such as Henry suggests seems like good place to start. > > Kudos to Shawn Frank for launching this thread. A couple of years ago, it > might not have gone anywhere. Its time has come? > > Once again, I recommend the John Clancy series on TRIUMPH HISTORY. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelvin Dodd > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 10:04 am > Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, when > there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a waste. > > I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and I > realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked > effectively! > > The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority of > classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. > > Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is not a > Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a market > niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the > heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. > > I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. > > > You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. > > http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html > > > > > > Kelvin Dodd > 1980 TR8 > 1980 SD1 > Other stuff > > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From bownes at seiri.com Fri Dec 14 11:21:38 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:21:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: John Buffham...awesome driver in the TR7-V8 and the Audi Quattro Coupe. I'm still looking for a BOP/Rover V8 for the formula car project. I've got the chassis, intake manifold and camshaft so far... :) Bob On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I was also highly entertained by what BUFFETT and his wife did on rallies > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony and Annie Garmey > To: n197tr4 ; doddk ; fot > > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:01 pm > Subject: RE: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > if you really want to see how a TR8 should go, search out "Tony Pond" on > youtube from the early/mid 80's in the UK rally championship. The ulster > and > manx rally's. > > > > > > > To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net > > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:07:36 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > > Kelvin, is right, according to John Clancy's well done DVD histories on > > Triumphs. > > > > I think I remember seeing a MG 'trial badge' on a TR7 while watching his > DVD > > on TR7/8s. > > > > That being said, they still are in our TRIUMPH FAMILY and I suspect we > need > to > > bring them into vintage racing. > > > > A 'spec' category such as Henry suggests seems like good place to start. > > > > Kudos to Shawn Frank for launching this thread. A couple of years ago, > it > > might not have gone anywhere. Its time has come? > > > > Once again, I recommend the John Clancy series on TRIUMPH HISTORY. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kelvin Dodd > > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 10:04 am > > Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > > > > It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, > when > > there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a > waste. > > > > I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain > and > I > > realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually > worked > > effectively! > > > > The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority > of > > classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. > > > > Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is > not > a > > Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a > market > > niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the > > heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. > > > > I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. > > > > > > You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. > > > > http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Kelvin Dodd > > 1980 TR8 > > 1980 SD1 > > Other stuff > > > > > > ________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 14 11:25:06 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:25:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFA83F790F2037-1C3C-B1D3@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> senior moment ...yes, BUFFUM no Margaritaville here. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: Joe Alexander Cc: horizonracing ; doddk ; fot Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:21 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction John Buffham...awesome driver in the TR7-V8 and the Audi Quattro Coupe. I'm still looking for a BOP/Rover V8 for the formula car project. I've got the chassis, intake manifold and camshaft so far... :) Bob On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: I was also highly entertained by what BUFFETT and his wife did on rallies Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: n197tr4 ; doddk ; fot Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:01 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] TR8 Direction if you really want to see how a TR8 should go, search out "Tony Pond" on youtube from the early/mid 80's in the UK rally championship. The ulster and manx rally's. > To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:07:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > Kelvin, is right, according to John Clancy's well done DVD histories on > Triumphs. > > I think I remember seeing a MG 'trial badge' on a TR7 while watching his DVD > on TR7/8s. > > That being said, they still are in our TRIUMPH FAMILY and I suspect we need to > bring them into vintage racing. > > A 'spec' category such as Henry suggests seems like good place to start. > > Kudos to Shawn Frank for launching this thread. A couple of years ago, it > might not have gone anywhere. Its time has come? > > Once again, I recommend the John Clancy series on TRIUMPH HISTORY. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelvin Dodd > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 10:04 am > Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, when > there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a waste. > > I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and I > realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked > effectively! > > The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority of > classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. > > Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is not a > Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a market > niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the > heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. > > I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. > > > You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. > > http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html > > > > > > Kelvin Dodd > 1980 TR8 > 1980 SD1 > Other stuff > > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From doddk at mossmotors.com Fri Dec 14 11:29:34 2012 From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Kelvin Dodd) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:29:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> References: , <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net>, <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A517@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> This is one of John Buffum's ex works TR7s that was being rallied in New Mexico in 1984. It had been converted to a V8 by the owner. http://s460.photobucket.com/albums/qq327/Kelvin13/Stuff/?action=view¤t= Oct8413.jpg My mediocre claim to automotive fame was to crash about 1 mile past where John Buffum's Audi had broken down during the 1981 Centennial National Pro Rally. http://s460.photobucket.com/albums/qq327/Kelvin13/Stuff/?action=view¤t= Sept81.jpg Kelvin Dodd ________________________________________ From: Joe Alexander [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 10:08 AM To: horizonracing at msn.com; Kelvin Dodd; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction I was also highly entertained by what BUFFETT and his wife did on rallies Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: n197tr4 ; doddk ; fot Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:01 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] TR8 Direction if you really want to see how a TR8 should go, search out "Tony Pond" on youtube from the early/mid 80's in the UK rally championship. The ulster and manx rally's. > To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:07:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > Kelvin, is right, according to John Clancy's well done DVD histories on > Triumphs. > > I think I remember seeing a MG 'trial badge' on a TR7 while watching his DVD > on TR7/8s. > > That being said, they still are in our TRIUMPH FAMILY and I suspect we need to > bring them into vintage racing. > > A 'spec' category such as Henry suggests seems like good place to start. > > Kudos to Shawn Frank for launching this thread. A couple of years ago, it > might not have gone anywhere. Its time has come? > > Once again, I recommend the John Clancy series on TRIUMPH HISTORY. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelvin Dodd > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 10:04 am > Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, when > there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a waste. > > I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and I > realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked > effectively! > > The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority of > classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. > > Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is not a > Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a market > niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the > heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. > > I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. > > > You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. > > http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html > > > > > > Kelvin Dodd > 1980 TR8 > 1980 SD1 > Other stuff > > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From tarch at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 14 11:40:12 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:40:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> References: , <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net>, <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <006601cdda2a$73e63240$5bb296c0$@net> I trying to catch up on this thread, I stumbled onto: DC Shoes: Ken Block's Gymkhana Five Google it. It's staggering! Richard Taylor From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 14 11:41:05 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:41:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A517@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> References: , <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net>, <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A517@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Message-ID: <8CFA841B58DCAEC-1C3C-B581@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Kelvin, it sure looks like you, only much younger.....thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Kelvin Dodd To: 'Joe Alexander' ; 'horizonracing at msn.com' ; 'fot at autox.team.net' Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:29 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] TR8 Direction This is one of John Buffum's ex works TR7s that was being rallied in New Mexico in 1984. It had been converted to a V8 by the owner. http://s460.photobucket.com/albums/qq327/Kelvin13/Stuff/?action=view¤t= Oct8413.jpg My mediocre claim to automotive fame was to crash about 1 mile past where John Buffum's Audi had broken down during the 1981 Centennial National Pro Rally. http://s460.photobucket.com/albums/qq327/Kelvin13/Stuff/?action=view¤t= Sept81.jpg Kelvin Dodd ________________________________________ From: Joe Alexander [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 10:08 AM To: horizonracing at msn.com; Kelvin Dodd; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction I was also highly entertained by what BUFFETT and his wife did on rallies Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: n197tr4 ; doddk ; fot Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:01 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] TR8 Direction if you really want to see how a TR8 should go, search out "Tony Pond" on youtube from the early/mid 80's in the UK rally championship. The ulster and manx rally's. > To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:07:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > Kelvin, is right, according to John Clancy's well done DVD histories on > Triumphs. > > I think I remember seeing a MG 'trial badge' on a TR7 while watching his DVD > on TR7/8s. > > That being said, they still are in our TRIUMPH FAMILY and I suspect we need to > bring them into vintage racing. > > A 'spec' category such as Henry suggests seems like good place to start. > > Kudos to Shawn Frank for launching this thread. A couple of years ago, it > might not have gone anywhere. Its time has come? > > Once again, I recommend the John Clancy series on TRIUMPH HISTORY. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelvin Dodd > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 10:04 am > Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, when > there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a waste. > > I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and I > realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked > effectively! > > The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority of > classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. > > Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is not a > Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a market > niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the > heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. > > I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. > > > You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. > > http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html > > > > > > Kelvin Dodd > 1980 TR8 > 1980 SD1 > Other stuff > > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From jason at multivintage.com Fri Dec 14 12:32:19 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:32:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <8CFA81FB58C695A-878-A28B@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <8CFA81FB58C695A-878-A28B@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 8:37 AM, wrote: > Sorry to enter this discussion after seeing only a few > comments............TR7/8s are "Like nobody else's car".............They > are > truly very cool...........I have a racing GT6 that I have never had out on > the > track. I live in Maryland. Is there anyone whom can give me some > guidance on > how I can get it on the track somewhere around here (Summit Point, etc)? I > only have one seat in it and I have been told that I need to have an > instructor in the car with me before they will let me out on my own. Is > this > true? I would rather not have to put another seat in it. Any help would > be > great! Thanks- Jay De Pol > Hello Jay De Pol... > Interesting post. I'm afraid your GT6 question will get lost in this Wedge discussion. It would be best if you started a new thread about your racing GT6... please Tell a bit more about your GT6 race car. (When was it built, for what sanctioning body, what has been modified for racing and to what extent...etc.) You have several options of places to run it, but my guess is there will be more things to consider than whether or not you need to have an extra seat in the car... Which, for the record you won't have to have in place for any nationally recognized Drivers school. With more info, several of us will be happy to point you in the right direction. It depends on what you have there and what the end goal is Thanks. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From tedtsimx at bright.net Fri Dec 14 14:27:37 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:27:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50CB99C9.8030603@bright.net> Shawn, thanks for starting this discussion. We campaigned some of the most successful Wedge cars in the USA. Competing in SCCA, our TR8 won many SCCA Nationals, always picked to win the SCCA Run-off's (it didn't, but my fault, not car's fault - details if anyone wants them). Held multiple track records and very successful in the Playboy and Escort Endurance series, often beating factory backed cars from Ford, Chrysler, GM, Nissan, Mitsubishi and others. Along with the TR8, we also campaigned a TR7 in the Endurance series. While not as fast as the V8, the TR7 held its own in class due to excellent handling and incredibly good fuel mileage. We developed many of the performance parts for these cars including brake upgrades, sway bars, springs, strut tower braces, headers and more. Coupes are far superior to roadsters, both it terms of structural integrity and top speed. Side by side testing at Road Atlanta showed several hundred rpm greater speed (both cars had same trans and diff gears). This was on the original Road Atlanta back straight before they turned it into the current"neutered" version (read this no dip at end of straight) Remember if it is a roadster, it has to race with top down. We also supplied data to Edlebrock when they designed the 4V intake manifold for this engine. Our normal street V8 in 3.5L form is 250hp. Over 320 hp for the larger displacement 4.0/4.6L engines. Rust issues at the strut tower to inner fender well junction and where the rear lower trailing arms attach to the sheet metal are the biggest problems. Patching a rusted fender is not a big deal. Remember this is a uni-body car so things are different from racing a car with a frame. Rover/TR8 engine is far superior to it's Buick ancestor. We normally have 30 - 40 V8 engines in stock. HP figures for TR7 are 130 - 40 with no major "engine life threatening mods. Yes, John Clancy has a good DVD on the car - "Code name Bullet". And all his videos are still on sale for $21 w/shipping through the first of the year. Let's hear it for the "flying doorstops". Ted On 12/12/2012 8:23 AM, Shawn Frank wrote: > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx at bright.net > > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Dec 14 14:41:19 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:41:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Forums In-Reply-To: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, Not to beat a dead horse, but there's a "wedge" mail list that is run on a server at MIT in the Lab for Computer Science, aka LCS. The list administration is automated, it's a "majordomo" for the computer freeX out there. If you seen a message to: majordomo at mercury.lcs.mit.edu with the line: subscribe in the message body, you should get a reply indicating that you're on the list. I have no idea if this list is connected to anything on the autox.team.net server or not, others will have to chime in on that one. But there's a slew of really dedicated Wedge Triumph folks on that list... and the list is fairly active. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Fri Dec 14 14:53:25 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:53:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> Brilliant... Post of the year. Ed Dunn GT6 Spitfire Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:39 AM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" wrote: > On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved in a >> business decision" . > And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with > passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. > > My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on > the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while > and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. > > > TeriAnn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 14 15:13:54 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:13:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction Message-ID: <1355523234.54889.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I will have to get this thing out on track then. Thanks everyone, and glad to spark great conversation. I would love to find out more about a TR7/TR8 type of class. I am more of a Spitfire/TR6 type of guy, but have recently driven a TR4 and loved it. We have a TR4A that will be finished soon for Drive Away Cancer Iowa. I don't think we will be racing that, but I definitely plan to try out the TR8 and know I will be auto crossing my Spitfire. There aren't but a couple vintage cars that auto cross around here. I hope to spark more interest in the vintage auto crossing. Maybe if I bring 3 cars to the auto crosses, others will bring more. I feel all alone here in Des Moines...Shawn From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Dec 14 15:48:03 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:48:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> Message-ID: This confirms what I have suspected for some time. GT6 folks march to a different drum than the rest of us! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Brilliant... Post of the year. > > Ed Dunn > GT6 > Spitfire > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:39 AM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" > wrote: > >> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved > in a >>> business decision" . >> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >> >> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on >> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while >> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >> >> >> TeriAnn >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jason at multivintage.com Fri Dec 14 15:55:44 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 22:55:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> Message-ID: You're kind of right.. Same drum really though....Our beat is just a little faster. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:48:03 To: Edward Dunn Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction This confirms what I have suspected for some time. GT6 folks march to a different drum than the rest of us! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Brilliant... Post of the year. > > Ed Dunn > GT6 > Spitfire > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:39 AM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" > wrote: > >> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved > in a >>> business decision" . >> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >> >> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on >> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while >> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >> >> >> TeriAnn >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Dec 14 16:40:01 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:40:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1174875373-1355525746-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1012026896-@b26.c3.bise6.blackberry> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> <1174875373-1355525746-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1012026896-@b26.c3.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: TouchC) chez Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2012, at 5:55 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > You're kind of right.. Same drum really though....Our beat is just a little faster. > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hasty > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:48:03 > To: Edward Dunn > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > This confirms what I have suspected for some time. GT6 folks march to a > different drum than the rest of us! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Edward Dunn > wrote: > >> Brilliant... Post of the year. >> >> Ed Dunn >> GT6 >> Spitfire >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:39 AM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" >> wrote: >> >>> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>>> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get > involved >> in a >>>> business decision" . >>> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >>> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >>> >>> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on >>> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while >>> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >>> >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From dos_gusanos at msn.com Fri Dec 14 16:48:49 2012 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:48:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> Message-ID: That's how I got to the point of owning eight sportscars! > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:41:16 -0700 > From: tjwakeman at gmail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved in a > > business decision" . > And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with > passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. > > My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on > the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while > and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. > > > TeriAnn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com From dos_gusanos at msn.com Fri Dec 14 16:59:37 2012 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:59:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, , <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com>, Message-ID: We drove the TR6 and the TR7 through Colorado and the TR6 took twice the Fuel at every fill up compared to the TR7. Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM From jerrybarr at charter.net Fri Dec 14 17:01:54 2012 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:01:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <20121214225710.D9A4C40EB9@autox.team.net> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> <20121214225710.D9A4C40EB9@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <75845865-46C5-45E6-8A0D-74B8D0273727@charter.net> I think GT6 people like the challenge of making a difficult car go fast Jerry Barr #59 Red GT6 On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:55 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > You're kind of right.. Same drum really though....Our beat is just a little faster. > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hasty > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:48:03 > To: Edward Dunn > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > This confirms what I have suspected for some time. GT6 folks march to a > different drum than the rest of us! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Edward Dunn > wrote: > >> Brilliant... Post of the year. >> >> Ed Dunn >> GT6 >> Spitfire >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:39 AM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" >> wrote: >> >>> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>>> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get > involved >> in a >>>> business decision" . >>> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >>> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >>> >>> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on >>> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while >>> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >>> >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From dos_gusanos at msn.com Fri Dec 14 17:01:57 2012 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:01:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, , , <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , , <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com>, , , Message-ID: Somebody come and get the two TR7's I have in my yard. One Coupe and a roadster, no titles so I'll have to cut 'em up to get rid of them. Cheers, Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM From budscars at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 17:05:32 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:05:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45694CDC8C7842DEA71A1E5927CF34C5@Bud> Good old TR8 story... Showroom stock race at Riverside Dave Vanek won the race in his TR8...they were claiming races then to try to keep it honest and cheap.....A competitor could buy any car for 500.00 over cost of car before roll cage, etc.... Someone made a claim on Vanek's TR8....He refused to sell the car, and after lots of arguing he called the police and said the guy was trying to steal his car.. I think that was the end of the claiming races.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Morrison" To: ; "fot" Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > That's how I got to the point of owning eight sportscars! > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:41:16 -0700 >> From: tjwakeman at gmail.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction >> >> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> > I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get >> > involved > in a >> > business decision" . >> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >> >> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on >> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while >> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >> >> >> TeriAnn >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From kkjjk at aol.com Fri Dec 14 17:23:48 2012 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 19:23:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <75845865-46C5-45E6-8A0D-74B8D0273727@charter.net> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> <20121214225710.D9A4C40EB9@autox.team.net> <75845865-46C5-45E6-8A0D-74B8D0273727@charter.net> Message-ID: <8CFA87196281B68-878-14EF2@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> Someone once told me that a GT6 is a bad race car...............I replied that that is the challenge...........Kind of like when my algebra 2 teacher in high scholl told me about when he went flying with a friend in a 172 and tried to pull off a maneuver that was just a bit out of the envelope...........He said that he wasn't interested in flying that way, as he was an F-4 guy in the Air Force many years prior..........I repeated that story to my dad (a civilian trained AA Captain for 30 years, as well as a Bonanza owner, and whom was an instructor in the Air Force in T-6s)..........His response was classic, and forever ingrained in my brain: "Ah, what the guy does not understand........It's the art of working within the limits of the airplane is what makes the pilot truly great"..............Just ask Bob Hoover, they only guy I know that may be a better pilot than my dad...............! -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Barr To: jason Cc: fot at autox.team.net friends Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:02 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction I think GT6 people like the challenge of making a difficult car go fast Jerry Barr #59 Red GT6 On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:55 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > You're kind of right.. Same drum really though....Our beat is just a little faster. > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hasty > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:48:03 > To: Edward Dunn > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > This confirms what I have suspected for some time. GT6 folks march to a > different drum than the rest of us! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Edward Dunn > wrote: > >> Brilliant... Post of the year. >> >> Ed Dunn >> GT6 >> Spitfire >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:39 AM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" >> wrote: >> >>> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>>> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get > involved >> in a >>>> business decision" . >>> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >>> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >>> >>> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on >>> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while >>> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >>> >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 14 17:34:38 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:34:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <8CFA87196281B68-878-14EF2@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> <20121214225710.D9A4C40EB9@autox.team.net> <75845865-46C5-45E6-8A0D-74B8D0273727@charter.net> <8CFA87196281B68-878-14EF2@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1355531678.61282.YahooMailNeo@web112503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I gotta say, being new to this group, I am thoroughly impressed by you all. What a great group of guys with all kinds of knowledge. Thank you for letting me participate in the Friends of Triumph. I am honored. A little work on the Spitfire, and waiting out the Iowa winter and I will be auto crossing it while building my Spitfire Race Car and also enjoying the TR8 as well. This year will be epic! I can't wait! Thanks again guys! Hope to see you in person some time! Shawn ________________________________ From: "kkjjk at aol.com" To: jerrybarr at charter.net; jason at multivintage.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction Someone once told me that a GT6 is a bad race car...............I replied that that is the challenge...........Kind of like when my algebra 2 teacher in high scholl told me about when he went flying with a friend in a 172 and tried to pull off a maneuver that was just a bit out of the envelope...........He said that he wasn't interested in flying that way, as he was an F-4 guy in the Air Force many years prior..........I repeated that story to my dad (a civilian trained AA Captain for 30 years, as well as a Bonanza owner, and whom was an instructor in the Air Force in T-6s)..........His response was classic, and forever ingrained in my brain: "Ah, what the guy does not understand........It's the art of working within the limits of the airplane is what makes the pilot truly great"..............Just ask Bob Hoover, they only guy I know that may be a better pilot than my dad...............! -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Barr To: jason Cc: fot at autox.team.net friends Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:02 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction I think GT6 people like the challenge of making a difficult car go fast Jerry Barr #59 Red GT6 On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:55 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > You're kind of right.. Same drum really though....Our beat is just a little faster. > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hasty > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:48:03 > To: Edward Dunn > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > This confirms what I have suspected for some time. GT6 folks march to a > different drum than the rest of us! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Edward Dunn > wrote: > >> Brilliant... Post of the year. >> >> Ed Dunn >> GT6 >> Spitfire >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:39 AM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" >> wrote: >> >>> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>>> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get > involved >> in a >>>> business decision" . >>> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >>> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >>> >>> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on >>> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while >>> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >>> >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/my71spit13 at yahoo.com From mark at bradakis.com Fri Dec 14 18:29:07 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:29:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, , , <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , , <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com>, , , Message-ID: <50CBD263.5090205@bradakis.com> Henry Morrison wrote: > Somebody come and get the two TR7's I have in my yard. One Coupe and a > roadster, no titles so I'll have to cut 'em up to get rid of them. I wish! I need some parts to get the one in my backyard running again. mjb. From hakhutch at roadrunner.com Fri Dec 14 19:01:07 2012 From: hakhutch at roadrunner.com (Tim Hutchisen) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:01:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: OK Henry, Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The TR7 spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, so why not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's of the Triumph world. No respect! Tim Hutchisen Norway, ME ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 8:13 AM Subject: [Fot] Wedges > As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. > Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the wheel of > a well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. > > One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I > envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. We > spec decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good > spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are kept to > a minimum, if any. > > You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me 4 > cars that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell > and a cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint > job. Then do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and > harness, and you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you > could even drive the thing to the track! > > How cool would that be? > > Who's in??? > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > >> Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in >> vintage racing...time marches on. From budscars at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 18:53:13 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:53:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Wedges References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com><3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1F8D4600633E4EAB809CB325DDE474B6@Bud> Remember Gang...supply and demand...Bugeye Sprites were crushed because they were not worth 150.00...Alfa Guiliettas too...and...v-12 Ferraris...No one wanted an old Ferrari because they were too expensive to fix or maintain..in 1987 a 250 GTE was selling for 2 thousand bucks..In 1990 they were 100,000.00...and look at what's happening with the semi-muscle cars now..! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hutchisen" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > OK Henry, > Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The TR7 > spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, so why > not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's of the > Triumph world. No respect! > Tim Hutchisen > Norway, ME > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 8:13 AM > Subject: [Fot] Wedges > > >> As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. >> Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the wheel >> of a well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. >> >> One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I >> envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. We >> spec decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good >> spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are kept to >> a minimum, if any. >> >> You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me 4 >> cars that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell >> and a cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint >> job. Then do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and >> harness, and you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you >> could even drive the thing to the track! >> >> How cool would that be? >> >> Who's in??? >> >> Henry >> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More >> >>> Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in >>> vintage racing...time marches on. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Dec 14 20:46:21 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:46:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <8CFA5D7A87D09C2-A94-9777@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> <1990299364-1355244053-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1196878571-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CFA5D7A87D09C2-A94-9777@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001cdda76$bfca3a70$3f5eaf50$@com> Joe, if you need help setting up or with the paddock the day before, let me know. I'm usually available. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 10:57 AM To: jason at multivintage.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS What Jason said.....exactly. Except the showers are almost first class KOHLER. ALSO, the more information we have on entries and attendees, the easier it will be to ask for PADDOCK SPACE to contain us all. I am particularly interested in the layout of the paddock as that is where we spend most of our time. Jason, I plan to go in a day early to garner space in the paddock. Want to help? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 15 06:16:07 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 08:16:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1fd34.419073f.3df9f76a@aol.com> References: <1fd34.419073f.3df9f76a@aol.com> Message-ID: <002a01cddac6$586b28d0$09417a70$@sbcglobal.net> If anyone is interested, I have a photo of the Buick engine on a stand taken at the GM Heritage Center in Sterling Heights, Michigan. I sort of keep looking for a TR8 as there is a family connection to the engine. I need to get rid of the Stag before I can even think about bringing home another car. There is one near me for sale, but I just don't have the space for one at this time. Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:06 AM To: vangoughv at hotmail.com; my71spit13 at yahoo.com Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction In a message dated 12/12/2012 8:46:14 AM Central Standard Time, vangoughv at hotmail.com writes: > Could it be a "street able track day car"? > You'd get more seat time and pleasure for your money and leave a door open > to > further convert to full race later. It would make an excellent race car > for sure. > More than a few people think that aluminum engine is one of the best engines ever built. We had one in a Buick mid-sized convertible, and it was a great little car. Pound for pound...it sure had a lot of power. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 15 12:44:42 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:44:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Devin Message-ID: <000c01cddafc$a1980240$e4c806c0$@sbcglobal.net> I think that there were a couple of Devin owners on this list, if so, I have a friend that recently purchased a '59 Devin D Roadster. It was built by Devin, and has a Porsche motor. He has some questions about parts and would like to get in touch with anyone who can help him. Thanks, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From budscars at comcast.net Sat Dec 15 14:14:15 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:14:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Devin References: <000c01cddafc$a1980240$e4c806c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <29C18E168D1D43DF8DC895CAD4B3BF7D@Bud> Mark Balestra in San Jopse, Ca. might be able to help you out..he has a Devin SS mark at pearsonauto.com Tell him Racer Bud sent you. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Mitchell" To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Devin >I think that there were a couple of Devin owners on this list, if so, I >have > a friend > that recently purchased a '59 Devin D Roadster. It was built by Devin, and > has a > Porsche motor. He has some questions about parts and would like to get in > touch > with anyone who can help him. > > Thanks, > > Doug > > -- > Doug Mitchell > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Sat Dec 15 14:18:24 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:18:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Devin References: <000c01cddafc$a1980240$e4c806c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <5DD2D227C3E54042BA63D69D2435D068@Bud> Also Bill Hart has a Devin TR.. contact Tony Garmey at horizonracing at msn.com RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Mitchell" To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Devin >I think that there were a couple of Devin owners on this list, if so, I >have > a friend > that recently purchased a '59 Devin D Roadster. It was built by Devin, and > has a > Porsche motor. He has some questions about parts and would like to get in > touch > with anyone who can help him. > > Thanks, > > Doug > > -- > Doug Mitchell > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From jerrybarr at charter.net Wed Dec 12 16:00:31 2012 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:00:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7FC1D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7FC1D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <5E919245-CED4-4AC5-A34C-059240680377@charter.net> You know the Miata is a better car and much easier to make it go fast. If I didn't have so many projects I would buy the TR8 to save you from making a huge mistake. On Dec 12, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: > How did this list get taken over by such soulless, fun-sucking pragmatists??? > ;-) > > My vote - Get it running and drive it for a while before you spend any money > on it. Then fall in love with it and invest thousands of dollars and weekend > hours and either drive it on the street or turn it into a silly, impractical, > expensive race car. Just like the rest of us. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of fogbro1 at comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 3:57 PM > To: Shawn Frank > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > Give the owner $2000 and walk away from the car. You will save thousands of > dollars and many hundred of hours of your life in the long run. > > > > Ed Woods (with credit to my brother Harvey for figuring this out years ago; > although I have rarely heeded this advice.) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Shawn Frank" > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:23:25 AM > Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction > > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! B Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fogbro1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Dec 13 15:46:11 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:46:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Another Sunday ride in Khartu Message-ID: Hi, I'm posting this just to keep the juices going on the off-season. http://youtu.be/IECKMspI180 It's an in-car autocross video from a New England Region autocross at Devens, MA. Enjoy! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Dec 14 08:25:58 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:25:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com><3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local><8CFA81FB58C695A-878-A28B@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <80F1CD5CEFB14276A368F7A398867452@gdhs.local> Come on Robert, 3 race cars? John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Deanes Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 10:16 AM To: kkjjk at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges Henry , I'm in as I have two coupes, have thought many times over and over wheather to develope one into a racer, and many camp fires with the "getto" crowd on just what you are talking about, are we sticking with the 7 engine , lets get it rolling or more planning, On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM, wrote: > Sorry to enter this discussion after seeing only a few > comments............TR7/8s are "Like nobody else's > car".............They are truly very cool...........I have a racing > GT6 that I have never had out on the track. I live in Maryland. Is > there anyone whom can give me some guidance on how I can get it on the > track somewhere around here (Summit Point, etc)? I only have one seat > in it and I have been told that I need to have an instructor in the > car with me before they will let me out on my own. Is this true? I > would rather not have to put another seat in it. Any help would be > great! Thanks- Jay De Pol > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles WATSON > To: yellow04 ; FOT List > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 8:23 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > > Interesting idea. Better looking than Miatas for sure. Cheap too! > But only one within 500 miles of me in SC on EBay or CL. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers > Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > > > > > > > > > > > From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > To: FOT at autox.team.net > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:13:18 -0500 > > Subject: [Fot] Wedges > > > > As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. > > Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the > > wheel > of > a > > well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. > > > > One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I > > envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. > > We > spec > > decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good > > spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are > > kept > to a > > minimum, if any. > > > > You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me > > 4 > cars > > that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell > > and > a > > cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint job. > Then > > do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and > > harness, > and > > you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you could > > even > drive > > the thing to the track! > > > > How cool would that be? > > > > Who's in??? > > > > Henry > > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > > > > > Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our > > > future in vintage racing...time marches on. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Dec 15 19:45:20 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:45:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Another Sunday ride in Khartu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFA94E85AA6DD1-16A8-14B69@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> Bob, Brilliant run ! But, today the last of sunny days for awhile ( winter storms on their way ) here in New England I couldn't resist the notion to fire up the race car take it for a spin around the neighborhood. F1 season is over and race season has been over for awhile here in Massachusetts, sept for some Rally crossing. Driving around the neighborhood brought back memories of the past season, as breif as it may of been for me and my Spit. My wish is for one more chance to drive my car around the block before the SALT and snow. Hopefully the coming storms will just drop rain on us. May all your days be sunny, Bob T '64 Spit GT -----Original Message----- From: Robert M. Lang To: triumphs Sent: Sat, Dec 15, 2012 9:02 pm Subject: [Fot] Another Sunday ride in Khartu Hi, I'm posting this just to keep the juices going on the off-season. http://youtu.be/IECKMspI180 It's an in-car autocross video from a New England Region autocross at evens, MA. Enjoy! ml -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent ormer NER Solo Chair | oice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Mon Dec 17 02:21:14 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:21:14 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Devin In-Reply-To: <5DD2D227C3E54042BA63D69D2435D068@Bud> References: <000c01cddafc$a1980240$e4c806c0$@sbcglobal.net> <5DD2D227C3E54042BA63D69D2435D068@Bud> Message-ID: I have just bought a Devin E body for a TR4 and plan to put together a little plastic bodied car .... Similarly any advice about how to attach it to the frame would be most welcome! Sent from my iPhone On 15 Dec 2012, at 21:18, "RACER BUD" wrote: > Also Bill Hart has a Devin TR.. contact Tony Garmey at horizonracing at msn.com > RB > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Mitchell" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:44 AM > Subject: [Fot] Devin > > >> I think that there were a couple of Devin owners on this list, if so, I have >> a friend >> that recently purchased a '59 Devin D Roadster. It was built by Devin, and >> has a >> Porsche motor. He has some questions about parts and would like to get in >> touch >> with anyone who can help him. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Doug >> >> -- >> Doug Mitchell >> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Dec 17 04:58:06 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 06:58:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had an underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance of coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, pump gas, close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am thinking it would take somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy and build the car. We get a handful of guys to do it, show off some good, close racing, and we promote the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. Oh well... Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hutchisen" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > OK Henry, > Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The TR7 > spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, so why > not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's of the > Triumph world. No respect! > Tim Hutchisen From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Dec 17 06:19:46 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 05:19:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1355750386.83368.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Henry: It sounds liike you could cheaply put a team together with what you have sitting around. But, did you notice that within five postings the "spec" class was morphing into a V6 from John's Car's? Simple rules...Spec Class! Minimal rules like FOT. Original type engine; Intake & exhaust free; 4 or 5 speed okay; DOT tires; DHC or FHC. Period. Would be fun! -Ed- --- On Mon, 12/17/12, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges To: FOT at autox.team.net Date: Monday, December 17, 2012, 5:58 AM The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had an underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance of coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, pump gas, close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am thinking it would take somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy and build the car. We get a handful of guys to do it, show off some good, close racing, and we promote the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. Oh well... Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hutchisen" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > OK Henry, > Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The TR7 > spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, so why > not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's of the > Triumph world. No respect! > Tim Hutchisen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From donmarshall at nefcom.net Mon Dec 17 07:55:47 2012 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:55:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: Easy peasy... check the SCCA GCR and under Improved Touring. The TR7 is still listed and under IT rules it's restricted to minimal changes from stock. Search "TR7 race cars for sale" and there's usually several old TR7 IT cars already race prepared, with cages and other safety equipment, and lots cheaper than you can build one from scratch. I know that some of the vintage groups, including SVRA and VDCA, are starting to accept old IT cars and the TR7 would have no problem being admitted as long as its prepped to the IT rules (no flares, fiberglass, etc.) and has treaded tires. Don On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:58 AM, wrote: > The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had an > underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. > > I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance of > coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, pump gas, > close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am thinking it would > take > somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy and build the car. We get a > handful of guys to do it, show off some good, close racing, and we promote > the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on > track.. > > Oh well... > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Hutchisen" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > > > OK Henry, > > Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The TR7 > > spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, so why > > not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's of the > > Triumph world. No respect! > > Tim Hutchisen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/donmarshall at nefcom.net From igofaster at att.net Mon Dec 17 08:48:24 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 07:48:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1355759304.30563.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Henry... I'm in... heck what do I care 3 Triumphs , two which a race cars (not running presently) ... why not another Triumph... I'm with you, fun and cheap.... in the words of a wise old Triumph guy (Larry) ... 'what's the difference between a TR7 and an onion? ... no one cries when you cut up a TR7..." Bobby ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, December 17, 2012 5:58:26 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had an underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance of coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, pump gas, close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am thinking it would take somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy and build the car. We get a handful of guys to do it, show off some good, close racing, and we promote the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. Oh well... Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hutchisen" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > OK Henry, > Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The TR7 > spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, so why > not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's of the > Triumph world. No respect! > Tim Hutchisen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Dec 17 09:06:55 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:06:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <89770F5D9CAE44DB89130A1C04EE74A8@TRIUMPH.local> Typically, Don, I would agree with you. But with the price of rust free coupes around here, and I think I am being generous saying the cost to have a cage and fuel cell installed would be $2000, I don't know why you would not start with a fresh car. However, given what I imagine the value of a TR7 IT car these days, you are probably right! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Marshall To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges Easy peasy... check the SCCA GCR and under Improved Touring. The TR7 is still listed and under IT rules it's restricted to minimal changes from stock. Search "TR7 race cars for sale" and there's usually several old TR7 IT cars already race prepared, with cages and other safety equipment, and lots cheaper than you can build one from scratch. I know that some of the vintage groups, including SVRA and VDCA, are starting to accept old IT cars and the TR7 would have no problem being admitted as long as its prepped to the IT rules (no flares, fiberglass, etc.) and has treaded tires. Don On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:58 AM, wrote: The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had an underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance of coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, pump gas, close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am thinking it would take somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy and build the car. We get a handful of guys to do it, show off some good, close racing, and we promote the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. Oh well... Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hutchisen" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > OK Henry, > Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The TR7 > spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, so why > not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's of the > Triumph world. No respect! > Tim Hutchisen From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Mon Dec 17 10:55:10 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:55:10 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133560@TITAN.dwholdings.local> One of the issues is that the TR7 was never really too popular as a new car. Not many folks sit back and say, "Gee, I would really like to have a nice TR7". Sure some do, but Miata's were and still are extremely popular as regular drivers. The other issue is where would you run this spec class? I might consider it if you run the series in California. Laguna Seca, Sears Point, Willow Springs, Buttonwillow, etc. I think most folks would rather build a Spitfire for an entry level race car. Nice idea, but I think it would hard to get enough racers (or potential racers)involved. Edward Dunn West Coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 Encinitas CA 92024 760-492-3814 www.vintageracing.us -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 3:58 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had an underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance of coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, pump gas, close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am thinking it would take somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy and build the car. We get a handful of guys to do it, show off some good, close racing, and we promote the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. Oh well... Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hutchisen" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > OK Henry, > Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The > TR7 spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, > so why not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's > of the Triumph world. No respect! > Tim Hutchisen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From apackard68 at att.net Mon Dec 17 11:18:52 2012 From: apackard68 at att.net (Andrew Packard) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:18:52 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Lemons team race seat needs Message-ID: Thanks to Joe et al for bringing my race team into this group. Three Triumph Travelers in the Bay Area of CA are putting together a TR4 Lemons racer. You can learn a bit about our team and one picture of our car in the "Which Car" section of my "Lemons to Lemons" blog here. Currently we are dealing with some floor pan rust issues with one repair to go prior to getting the 6-point cage installed. My first question to the list is regarding a recommended racing seat brand and model that fits well in a TR4 through 6. We want to get the seat prior to our roll cage design to ensure enough head clearance for our tallest driver. If someone has a "retired" seat they would like to move to a new home, we're definitely in the market! Being a Lemons car, we're hoping not to have to go new with this potentially pricey item. We're certain to have more issues during our build, so I'll thank the list in advance for their contributions. If successful, we'll be the first TR4 in Lemons. BTW, we first looked a TR7 coupe in Santa Rosa that could have been bought for $150. Our biggest concern, as well as with my GT6+ parts car I considered using, was the head clearance for a full cage when a roof was involved. Andy Packard From chasgee at aol.com Mon Dec 17 11:37:34 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:37:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133560@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133560@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: I believe it was the best selling TR ever. Chuck On Dec 17, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Edward Dunn wrote: > One of the issues is that the TR7 was never really too popular as a new car. > Not many folks sit back and say, "Gee, I would really like to have a nice > TR7". Sure some do, but Miata's were and still are extremely popular as > regular drivers. The other issue is where would you run this spec class? I > might consider it if you run the series in California. Laguna Seca, Sears > Point, Willow Springs, Buttonwillow, etc. > > I think most folks would rather build a Spitfire for an entry level race car. > > Nice idea, but I think it would hard to get enough racers (or potential > racers)involved. > > Edward Dunn > > West Coast Vintage Racing > 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 > Encinitas CA 92024 > > 760-492-3814 > > www.vintageracing.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of yellow04 at tr4racer.com > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 3:58 AM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had an > underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. > > I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance of > coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, pump gas, > close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am thinking it would take > somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy and build the car. We get a > handful of guys to do it, show off some good, close racing, and we promote the > heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. > > Oh well... > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Hutchisen" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > >> OK Henry, >> Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The >> TR7 spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, >> so why not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's >> of the Triumph world. No respect! >> Tim Hutchisen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Mon Dec 17 11:39:52 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:39:52 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133560@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133566@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Really? Well, let's buy a couple and race 'em Chuck! Edward Dunn West Coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 Encinitas CA 92024 760-492-3814 www.vintageracing.us -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Gee [mailto:chasgee at aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 10:38 AM To: Edward Dunn Cc: yellow04 at tr4racer.com; FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges I believe it was the best selling TR ever. Chuck On Dec 17, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Edward Dunn wrote: > One of the issues is that the TR7 was never really too popular as a new car. > Not many folks sit back and say, "Gee, I would really like to have a > nice TR7". Sure some do, but Miata's were and still are extremely > popular as regular drivers. The other issue is where would you run > this spec class? I might consider it if you run the series in > California. Laguna Seca, Sears Point, Willow Springs, Buttonwillow, etc. > > I think most folks would rather build a Spitfire for an entry level race car. > > Nice idea, but I think it would hard to get enough racers (or > potential racers)involved. > > Edward Dunn > > West Coast Vintage Racing > 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 > Encinitas CA 92024 > > 760-492-3814 > > www.vintageracing.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of yellow04 at tr4racer.com > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 3:58 AM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had > an underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. > > I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance > of coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, > pump gas, close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am > thinking it would take somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy > and build the car. We get a handful of guys to do it, show off some > good, close racing, and we promote the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. > > Oh well... > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Hutchisen" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > >> OK Henry, >> Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The >> TR7 spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, >> so why not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's >> of the Triumph world. No respect! >> Tim Hutchisen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.co > m _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From chasgee at aol.com Mon Dec 17 11:47:24 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:47:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133566@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133560@TITAN.dwholdings.local> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133566@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <41F2ECE2-C4D0-4C23-9D1E-ACCA13EB0173@aol.com> Did Lemons with one. The car did pretty well considering it was essentially stock. I always wanted to duplicate the Huffaker TR8 coupe but it would be an expensive endeavor. Cool car though. One of the reasons I don't have one is my wife can't stand them. She dated a creepy guy with a TR 7 back in the day (no, it wasn't me, I was the creepy guy with the TR6) and just can't get over it. That's my story and I'm sticking to it..... Chuck On Dec 17, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Really? Well, let's buy a couple and race 'em Chuck! > > Edward Dunn > > West Coast Vintage Racing > 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 > Encinitas CA 92024 > > 760-492-3814 > > www.vintageracing.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Gee [mailto:chasgee at aol.com] > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 10:38 AM > To: Edward Dunn > Cc: yellow04 at tr4racer.com; FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > I believe it was the best selling TR ever. > > Chuck > > On Dec 17, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Edward Dunn wrote: > >> One of the issues is that the TR7 was never really too popular as a new car. >> Not many folks sit back and say, "Gee, I would really like to have a >> nice TR7". Sure some do, but Miata's were and still are extremely >> popular as regular drivers. The other issue is where would you run >> this spec class? I might consider it if you run the series in >> California. Laguna Seca, Sears Point, Willow Springs, Buttonwillow, etc. >> >> I think most folks would rather build a Spitfire for an entry level race car. >> >> Nice idea, but I think it would hard to get enough racers (or >> potential racers)involved. >> >> Edward Dunn >> >> West Coast Vintage Racing >> 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 >> Encinitas CA 92024 >> >> 760-492-3814 >> >> www.vintageracing.us >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of yellow04 at tr4racer.com >> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 3:58 AM >> To: FOT at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges >> >> The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had >> an underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. >> >> I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance >> of coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, >> pump gas, close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am >> thinking it would take somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy >> and build the car. We get a handful of guys to do it, show off some >> good, close racing, and we promote the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. >> >> Oh well... >> >> Henry >> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Hutchisen" >> To: ; >> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges >> >> >>> OK Henry, >>> Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The >>> TR7 spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, >>> so why not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's >>> of the Triumph world. No respect! >>> Tim Hutchisen >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.co >> m _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Mon Dec 17 13:34:55 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:34:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Lemons team race seat needs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D653A82-86B7-4107-AE27-580A092F1156@austin.rr.com> I have a Lemon's TR6 race car in central Texas that could be made available to a team that wanted to use it. It has completed 2 Lemon's races but we seem to have lost interest. Most of the team either vintage races, of auto crosses and our time is better spent on our real race cars. Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Andrew Packard wrote: > Thanks to Joe et al for bringing my race team into this group. Three Triumph > Travelers in the Bay Area of CA are putting together a TR4 Lemons racer. You > can learn a bit about our team and one picture of our car in the "Which Car" > section of my "Lemons to Lemons" blog here. > > Currently we are dealing with some floor pan rust issues with one repair to go > prior to getting the 6-point cage installed. > > My first question to the list is regarding a recommended racing seat brand and > model that fits well in a TR4 through 6. We want to get the seat prior to our > roll cage design to ensure enough head clearance for our tallest driver. If > someone has a "retired" seat they would like to move to a new home, we're > definitely in the market! Being a Lemons car, we're hoping not to have to go > new with this potentially pricey item. We're certain to have more issues > during our build, so I'll thank the list in advance for their contributions. > If successful, we'll be the first TR4 in Lemons. > > BTW, we first looked a TR7 coupe in Santa Rosa that could have been bought for > $150. Our biggest concern, as well as with my GT6+ parts car I considered > using, was the head clearance for a full cage when a roof was involved. > > Andy Packard > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Mon Dec 17 13:42:52 2012 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:42:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Lemons team race seat needs In-Reply-To: <8D653A82-86B7-4107-AE27-580A092F1156@austin.rr.com> References: <8D653A82-86B7-4107-AE27-580A092F1156@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: I would love to have this car. I know a few people who would love to co run it. Unfortunately I am in the Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey area. It's a little far away for us and to get it shipped might be a little too much. I can still dream! Chris On Dec 17, 2012, at 3:34 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > I have a Lemon's TR6 race car in central Texas that could be made available to > a team that wanted to use it. It has completed 2 Lemon's races but we seem to > have lost interest. Most of the team either vintage races, of auto crosses and > our time is better spent on our real race cars. > Bob Kramer > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 17, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Andrew Packard wrote: > >> Thanks to Joe et al for bringing my race team into this group. Three > Triumph >> Travelers in the Bay Area of CA are putting together a TR4 Lemons racer. > You >> can learn a bit about our team and one picture of our car in the "Which > Car" >> section of my "Lemons to Lemons" blog here. >> >> Currently we are dealing with some floor pan rust issues with one repair to > go >> prior to getting the 6-point cage installed. >> >> My first question to the list is regarding a recommended racing seat brand > and >> model that fits well in a TR4 through 6. We want to get the seat prior to > our >> roll cage design to ensure enough head clearance for our tallest driver. > If >> someone has a "retired" seat they would like to move to a new home, we're >> definitely in the market! Being a Lemons car, we're hoping not to have to > go >> new with this potentially pricey item. We're certain to have more issues >> during our build, so I'll thank the list in advance for their > contributions. >> If successful, we'll be the first TR4 in Lemons. >> >> BTW, we first looked a TR7 coupe in Santa Rosa that could have been bought > for >> $150. Our biggest concern, as well as with my GT6+ parts car I considered >> using, was the head clearance for a full cage when a roof was involved. >> >> Andy Packard >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Dec 17 20:25:09 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:25:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] need help Message-ID: <3D5900C3F4944640A3D2519D1755D85E@hpd530> Hi All, this isn't a Triumph question, but with all of our group's knowledge, I may get some answers. I have an early 70's John Deere 350 dozer with a 3 cylinder Diesel engine. Due to a malfunctioning temp gauge and a brain fade, I overheated the engine. I now have a milkshake in the oil pan. I pulled the head today and didn't see anything obvious; head gasket looked ok, cylinder walls ok, head ok. I think the problem was in #1 cylinder, but found no obvious problems. Any suggestions? Thanks, Bill From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Mon Dec 17 20:34:53 2012 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 14:34:53 +1100 Subject: [Fot] need help In-Reply-To: <3D5900C3F4944640A3D2519D1755D85E@hpd530> References: <3D5900C3F4944640A3D2519D1755D85E@hpd530> Message-ID: Bill, Inspect the bores very carefully. Diesels are known to split/fine crack in the cylinder liner walls when overheated. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Tobin Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2012 2:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] need help Hi All, this isn't a Triumph question, but with all of our group's knowledge, I may get some answers. I have an early 70's John Deere 350 dozer with a 3 cylinder Diesel engine. Due to a malfunctioning temp gauge and a brain fade, I overheated the engine. I now have a milkshake in the oil pan. I pulled the head today and didn't see anything obvious; head gasket looked ok, cylinder walls ok, head ok. I think the problem was in #1 cylinder, but found no obvious problems. Any suggestions? Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic at netspace.net.au From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Mon Dec 17 20:55:24 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 21:55:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Devin In-Reply-To: References: <000c01cddafc$a1980240$e4c806c0$@sbcglobal.net> <5DD2D227C3E54042BA63D69D2435D068@Bud> Message-ID: <43E1963E-C0E1-4826-BFB3-99D8DA8BFDCC@austin.rr.com> I have a Devin body in the attic! I think the trick way is to build mounting pockets moulded around 2x4's and glass those pockets to the body in locations that catch the TR frame body mounts. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2012, at 3:21 AM, TR4 Tony wrote: > I have just bought a Devin E body for a TR4 and plan to put together a little > plastic bodied car .... Similarly any advice about how to attach it to the > frame would be most welcome! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 15 Dec 2012, at 21:18, "RACER BUD" wrote: > >> Also Bill Hart has a Devin TR.. contact Tony Garmey at > horizonracing at msn.com >> RB >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Mitchell" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:44 AM >> Subject: [Fot] Devin >> >> >>> I think that there were a couple of Devin owners on this list, if so, I > have >>> a friend >>> that recently purchased a '59 Devin D Roadster. It was built by Devin, and >>> has a >>> Porsche motor. He has some questions about parts and would like to get in >>> touch >>> with anyone who can help him. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> -- >>> Doug Mitchell >>> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Mon Dec 17 22:13:43 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:13:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] need help In-Reply-To: <3D5900C3F4944640A3D2519D1755D85E@hpd530> References: <3D5900C3F4944640A3D2519D1755D85E@hpd530> Message-ID: Likely warped head depending on how hot. Check the head for distortion. If off, deck the head and get a compressible copper type gasket IMO. Tyler Thompson l National Account Executive - Public Safety Sector esri | One International Court | Broomfield, CO 80021 Phone: 303.449-7779 ext. 8260, cell: 719.510-1649 | E-mail: tyler_thompson at esri.com Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Dec 17, 2012, at 8:25 PM, "Bill Tobin" wrote: > Hi All, this isn't a Triumph question, but with all of our group's knowledge, > I may get some answers. > I have an early 70's John Deere 350 dozer with a 3 cylinder Diesel engine. Due > to a malfunctioning temp gauge and a brain fade, I overheated the engine. I > now have a milkshake in the oil pan. > I pulled the head today and didn't see anything obvious; head gasket looked > ok, cylinder walls ok, head ok. I think the problem was in #1 cylinder, but > found no obvious problems. > Any suggestions? > Thanks, Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue Dec 18 08:05:45 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:05:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? Message-ID: <50D08649.40100@blacksburg.net> Amici Last year FoT sponsored an "ad", which was a memorial to Uncle Jack, in Burt Levy's latest book ("200 MPH Steamroller"). I notice that Levy is working on a sequel, so I contacted Joe to see what he thought about sponsoring another "ad". He's busy rounding up funding for the 2013 Kastner Cup, but suggested that I poll the group for interest. So what say you? If there's sufficient interest (we had a dozen participants last time) I'll take the lead on this one. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Dec 18 09:15:46 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:15:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] need help In-Reply-To: References: <3D5900C3F4944640A3D2519D1755D85E@hpd530> Message-ID: <000001cddd3a$f0361410$d0a23c30$@com> That's exactly what happened on our TRactor motor at Gingerman a couple of years ago. We broke the water pump shaft, overheated and had very fine vertical splits/cracks on #3 and #4. In our case it was easy to find because we had water in #3 and #4 bores. When I let it sit overnight the splits showed up due to a fine line of rust on the split. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter Vucinic Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 9:35 PM To: 'Bill Tobin'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] need help Bill, Inspect the bores very carefully. Diesels are known to split/fine crack in the cylinder liner walls when overheated. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Tobin Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2012 2:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] need help Hi All, this isn't a Triumph question, but with all of our group's knowledge, I may get some answers. I have an early 70's John Deere 350 dozer with a 3 cylinder Diesel engine. Due to a malfunctioning temp gauge and a brain fade, I overheated the engine. I now have a milkshake in the oil pan. I pulled the head today and didn't see anything obvious; head gasket looked ok, cylinder walls ok, head ok. I think the problem was in #1 cylinder, but found no obvious problems. Any suggestions? Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic at netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Dec 18 10:45:51 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 17:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] need help In-Reply-To: <000001cddd3a$f0361410$d0a23c30$@com> Message-ID: <1834480888.1167891.1355852751977.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Bill, If you have made a milkshake in the crankcase the bearings are most likely hosed. It's not hard to confirm it if you can get the oil pan off and pull a couple caps. You can buy dye penetrant spray from welding shops to check your cylinder walls ,head & block. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "Peter Vucinic" , "Bill Tobin" , fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 9:15:46 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] need help That's exactly what happened on our TRactor motor at Gingerman a couple of years ago. We broke the water pump shaft, overheated and had very fine vertical splits/cracks on #3 and #4. B In our case it was easy to find because we had water in #3 and #4 bores. B When I let it sit overnight the splits showed up due to a fine line of rust on the split. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter Vucinic Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 9:35 PM To: 'Bill Tobin'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] need help Bill, Inspect the bores very carefully. Diesels are known to split/fine crack in the cylinder liner walls when overheated. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Tobin Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2012 2:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] need help Hi All, this isn't a Triumph question, but with all of our group's knowledge, I may get some answers. I have an early 70's John Deere 350 dozer with a 3 cylinder Diesel engine. Due to a malfunctioning temp gauge and a brain fade, I overheated the engine. I now have a milkshake in the oil pan. I pulled the head today and didn't see anything obvious; head gasket looked ok, cylinder walls ok, head ok. I think the problem was in #1 cylinder, but found no obvious problems. Any suggestions? Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic at netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Dec 18 15:16:09 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:16:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Robert Johns Message-ID: <1973513037.1504709.1355868969021.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Robert: Please contact me off line regarding your participation in the 1957 Sebring race. Thanks Gary Horstkorta From peter at nosimport.com Tue Dec 18 15:18:09 2012 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:18:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Robert Johns In-Reply-To: <1973513037.1504709.1355868969021.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.eme ryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1973513037.1504709.1355868969021.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20121218221810.B0C9FF440FA@mx2.netinteraction.com> Is there still time to sign up? At 04:16 PM 12/18/2012, vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote: >Robert: > > >Please contact me off line regarding your participation in the 1957 >Sebring race. Thanks > > >Gary Horstkorta From rfdeanes at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 15:49:56 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 17:49:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Robert Johns In-Reply-To: <20121218221810.B0C9FF440FA@mx2.netinteraction.com> References: <1973513037.1504709.1355868969021.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20121218221810.B0C9FF440FA@mx2.netinteraction.com> Message-ID: You will need a special fast Delorean and the "professors " help....oh..don't forget the lightning! On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Peter Caldwell wrote: > Is there still time to sign up? > > > > At 04:16 PM 12/18/2012, vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote: > >> Robert: >> >> >> Please contact me off line regarding your participation in the 1957 >> Sebring race. Thanks >> >> >> Gary Horstkorta >> > ______________________________**_________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Dec 18 16:46:15 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:46:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Robert Johns In-Reply-To: <20121218221810.B0C9FF440FA@mx2.netinteraction.com> References: <1973513037.1504709.1355868969021.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20121218221810.B0C9FF440FA@mx2.netinteraction.com> Message-ID: <6EFECF4D-EA98-4E77-A68F-39448D23FE13@comcast.net> Certainly. Just send me a check for the $300 entry fee and I'll be happy to reserve you a spot on the grid. If you go for that proposition, perhaps you would like to also send me a sizable deposit check for a luxury Italian cruise on the Costa Concordia. Gary Sent from my iPad On Dec 18, 2012, at 2:18 PM, Peter Caldwell wrote: > Is there still time to sign up? > > > At 04:16 PM 12/18/2012, vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote: >> Robert: >> >> >> Please contact me off line regarding your participation in the 1957 Sebring race. Thanks >> >> >> Gary Horstkorta From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 18 17:19:03 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 19:19:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? Message-ID: You might check with Burt to see if there is still time. The book was supposed to be released this past September, but I know he missed that deadline. Not sure when it will be out now. He owes me a copy when it is released. At any rate, I'd be willing to put in some money. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net "J.C. Hassall" wrote: >Amici > >Last year FoT sponsored an "ad", which was a memorial to Uncle Jack, in Burt Levy's latest book ("200 MPH Steamroller"). I notice that Levy is working on a sequel, so I contacted Joe to see what he thought about sponsoring another "ad". He's busy rounding up funding for the 2013 Kastner Cup, but suggested that I poll the group for interest. > >So what say you? If there's sufficient interest (we had a dozen participants last time) I'll take the lead on this one. > >jim > >-- >Jim Hassall >Blacksburg VA >'63 TR4 in autox preparation >99% finished, 90% to go >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From mhado at att.net Tue Dec 18 17:48:25 2012 From: mhado at att.net (M&M Hado) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 18:48:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs Message-ID: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net> I was just finishing up a TR2 engine rebuild and one of the 9.5" studs stripped the threads in the block at the bottom of the 4" hole when I got to about 70 ft-lb. Has anyone successfully put a HeliCoil at the bottom of this hole? The original size of the hole in the block is about 17/32" (just enough to accommodate the 1/2" stud, of course) and this happens to be the tap drill size for the 1/2-13 HeliCoil. The OD of the HeliCoil itself is about .615" so that means I would have to drill out the hole in the block to something larger than this - say 5/8" and save about an inch at the bottom for tapping for the HeliCoil. I'm wondering if there is enough meat in the block to drill out the hole to 5/8". Having gone this far, I really would like to save this block so any ideas/hints/experience would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike Hado From clw2000 at msn.com Wed Dec 19 07:05:33 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:05:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear Message-ID: Friends: I see a lot of folks in various marquees (including Triumphs) using coil-over shocks in the rear to supplement a tired leaf-spring. I noticed Ratco is selling this as an upgrade to the TR suspension. My question, especially with regard to a rotoflex axle in my GT6 is, why not? benefits seem to be: - spring travels same path as shock - easily adjustable spring rate and height downsides: - possible space limitations (probably avoidable when going from donut to CV) - what am I missing??? If you're redoing the entire suspension anyway, is this not a good way to go? And if not, has anyone tried the composite "leaf" springs and saved the 40-50 lbs of steel? Thanks, Chuck Watson From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Dec 19 07:59:36 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:59:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles, there are some set ups out there for the GT6 if you want a completely new/more modern set up. I think PRI sells what looks like a good conversion. Im on a budget so I took the 15 dollar route and simply added a helper spring to the top of the tired old transverse leaf stack. I bought a 2000# trailer spring at princess auto, used the longest leaf, de-arched it to achieve a lower ride height and slipped it under the top plate that bolts down onto leaf set up. It was simple, cheap and easy to install and works really well. It's nice that I didn't even have to pull the main leaf out in order to do this and could out the helper easily and adjust the arch if need be. I left in the rotoflex setup and run on performance street tires. I figure I'm less likely to break a hub or axle that way but that's just my opinion. When I have a few grand to blow I may do the rear conversion. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-19, at 9:05 AM, "Charles WATSON" wrote: > Friends: > > I see a lot of folks in various marquees (including Triumphs) using coil-over > shocks in the rear to supplement a tired leaf-spring. I noticed Ratco is > selling this as an upgrade to the TR suspension. My question, especially with > regard to a rotoflex axle in my GT6 is, why not? > > benefits seem to be: > - spring travels same path as shock > - easily adjustable spring rate and height > > downsides: > - possible space limitations (probably avoidable when going from donut to CV) > - what am I missing??? > > If you're redoing the entire suspension anyway, is this not a good way to go? > And if not, has anyone tried the composite "leaf" springs and saved the 40-50 > lbs of steel? > > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed Dec 19 08:56:51 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 10:56:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> On 12/18/2012 7:19 PM, Doug Mitchell wrote: > You might check with Burt to see if there is still time. The book was supposed to be released this past September, but I know he missed that deadline. Not sure when it will be out now. He owes me a copy when it is released. At any rate, I'd be willing to put in some money. > > Doug, good point. Burt said: Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much appreciated! I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. Ideas? Henry, what do you think? TIA jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Dec 19 09:48:40 2012 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:48:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> I did see the conversion from PRI. It looks sweet and cool. If I had the green I would go for it. But... What about using coil overs and just a single leaf. Use the coil over to do the ride hight and ride control and let the leaf do the suspension geometry movements. Any thoughts on how that might work? Isn't there a picture and a small comment about this in one of Kas books? Chris On Dec 19, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Vince G wrote: > Charles, there are some set ups out there for the GT6 if you want a completely > new/more modern set up. I think PRI sells what looks like a good conversion. > > Im on a budget so I took the 15 dollar route and simply added a helper spring > to the top of the tired old transverse leaf stack. I bought a 2000# trailer > spring at princess auto, used the longest leaf, de-arched it to achieve a > lower ride height and slipped it under the top plate that bolts down onto leaf > set up. It was simple, cheap and easy to install and works really well. It's > nice that I didn't even have to pull the main leaf out in order to do this and > could out the helper easily and adjust the arch if need be. > > I left in the rotoflex setup and run on performance street tires. I figure I'm > less likely to break a hub or axle that way but that's just my opinion. When > I have a few grand to blow I may do the rear conversion. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-12-19, at 9:05 AM, "Charles WATSON" wrote: > >> Friends: >> >> I see a lot of folks in various marquees (including Triumphs) using > coil-over >> shocks in the rear to supplement a tired leaf-spring. I noticed Ratco is >> selling this as an upgrade to the TR suspension. My question, especially > with >> regard to a rotoflex axle in my GT6 is, why not? >> >> benefits seem to be: >> - spring travels same path as shock >> - easily adjustable spring rate and height >> >> downsides: >> - possible space limitations (probably avoidable when going from donut to > CV) >> - what am I missing??? >> >> If you're redoing the entire suspension anyway, is this not a good way to > go? >> And if not, has anyone tried the composite "leaf" springs and saved the > 40-50 >> lbs of steel? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Watson >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Dec 19 09:48:52 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:48:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E804667@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> << so perhaps we should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. >> Jimmy Coan? Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J.C. Hassall Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:57 AM To: Doug Mitchell Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? On 12/18/2012 7:19 PM, Doug Mitchell wrote: > You might check with Burt to see if there is still time. The book was supposed to be released this past September, but I know he missed that deadline. Not sure when it will be out now. He owes me a copy when it is released. At any rate, I'd be willing to put in some money. > > Doug, good point. Burt said: Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much appreciated! I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. Ideas? Henry, what do you think? TIA jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From jhouathome at aol.com Wed Dec 19 12:13:25 2012 From: jhouathome at aol.com (Jhouathome) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:13:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire steering hub? Message-ID: <8F83DD89-66C4-48EE-B47C-EEED43076617@aol.com> Hi everyone. I have a Ginetta G15 going back on the race track this season that uses a Spitfire steering column. I want to install a quick release steering wheel and don't want to weld a hub onto the column if I can avoid it. Any suggestions for a quick release hub that bolts onto the splined steering shaft? Thanks, John Houlton From clw2000 at msn.com Wed Dec 19 13:39:31 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:39:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> References: , <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> Message-ID: The question I am asking myself is: If this is a good idea then why didn't Triumph build them that way when they first went to rotoflex (minor clearance issues aside)? It's not like the technology wasn't there yet. Thanks, Chuck Watson > CC: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear > Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:48:40 -0500 > To: vangoughv at hotmail.com > > I did see the conversion from PRI. It looks sweet and cool. If I had the green I would go for it. > > But... > > What about using coil overs and just a single leaf. Use the coil over to do the ride hight and ride control and let the leaf do the suspension geometry movements. > > Any thoughts on how that might work? > > Isn't there a picture and a small comment about this in one of Kas books? > > Chris > > On Dec 19, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Vince G wrote: > > > Charles, there are some set ups out there for the GT6 if you want a completely > > new/more modern set up. I think PRI sells what looks like a good conversion. > > > > Im on a budget so I took the 15 dollar route and simply added a helper spring > > to the top of the tired old transverse leaf stack. I bought a 2000# trailer > > spring at princess auto, used the longest leaf, de-arched it to achieve a > > lower ride height and slipped it under the top plate that bolts down onto leaf > > set up. It was simple, cheap and easy to install and works really well. It's > > nice that I didn't even have to pull the main leaf out in order to do this and > > could out the helper easily and adjust the arch if need be. > > > > I left in the rotoflex setup and run on performance street tires. I figure I'm > > less likely to break a hub or axle that way but that's just my opinion. When > > I have a few grand to blow I may do the rear conversion. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On 2012-12-19, at 9:05 AM, "Charles WATSON" wrote: > > > >> Friends: > >> > >> I see a lot of folks in various marquees (including Triumphs) using > > coil-over > >> shocks in the rear to supplement a tired leaf-spring. I noticed Ratco is > >> selling this as an upgrade to the TR suspension. My question, especially > > with > >> regard to a rotoflex axle in my GT6 is, why not? > >> > >> benefits seem to be: > >> - spring travels same path as shock > >> - easily adjustable spring rate and height > >> > >> downsides: > >> - possible space limitations (probably avoidable when going from donut to > > CV) > >> - what am I missing??? > >> > >> If you're redoing the entire suspension anyway, is this not a good way to > > go? > >> And if not, has anyone tried the composite "leaf" springs and saved the > > 40-50 > >> lbs of steel? > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Chuck Watson > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Dec 19 13:41:23 2012 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:41:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire steering hub? In-Reply-To: <8F83DD89-66C4-48EE-B47C-EEED43076617@aol.com> References: <8F83DD89-66C4-48EE-B47C-EEED43076617@aol.com> Message-ID: <2B22C440-D487-43CF-AF9F-42374F836F38@aol.com> If you can't find a way to just bolt a quick release on, I have an extra column if you don't want to mangle yours. Chris On Dec 19, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Jhouathome wrote: > Hi everyone. I have a Ginetta G15 going back on the race track this season > that uses a Spitfire steering column. I want to install a quick release > steering wheel and don't want to weld a hub onto the column if I can avoid it. > Any suggestions for a quick release hub that bolts onto the splined steering > shaft? > Thanks, > John Houlton > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From chasgee at aol.com Wed Dec 19 17:04:06 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:04:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: References: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> Message-ID: Most of us haven't done this because of a rules limitation. Make sure you check with the organization you plan on racing with before spending the money. Chuck On Dec 19, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Charles WATSON wrote: > The question I am asking myself is: If this is a good idea then why didn't > Triumph build them that way when they first went to rotoflex (minor clearance > issues aside)? It's not like the technology wasn't there yet. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > >> CC: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net >> From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear >> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:48:40 -0500 >> To: vangoughv at hotmail.com >> >> I did see the conversion from PRI. It looks sweet and cool. If I had the > green I would go for it. >> >> But... >> >> What about using coil overs and just a single leaf. Use the coil over to do > the ride hight and ride control and let the leaf do the suspension geometry > movements. >> >> Any thoughts on how that might work? >> >> Isn't there a picture and a small comment about this in one of Kas books? >> >> Chris >> >> On Dec 19, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Vince G wrote: >> >>> Charles, there are some set ups out there for the GT6 if you want a > completely >>> new/more modern set up. I think PRI sells what looks like a good > conversion. >>> >>> Im on a budget so I took the 15 dollar route and simply added a helper > spring >>> to the top of the tired old transverse leaf stack. I bought a 2000# > trailer >>> spring at princess auto, used the longest leaf, de-arched it to achieve a >>> lower ride height and slipped it under the top plate that bolts down onto > leaf >>> set up. It was simple, cheap and easy to install and works really well. > It's >>> nice that I didn't even have to pull the main leaf out in order to do this > and >>> could out the helper easily and adjust the arch if need be. >>> >>> I left in the rotoflex setup and run on performance street tires. I figure > I'm >>> less likely to break a hub or axle that way but that's just my opinion. > When >>> I have a few grand to blow I may do the rear conversion. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 2012-12-19, at 9:05 AM, "Charles WATSON" wrote: >>> >>>> Friends: >>>> >>>> I see a lot of folks in various marquees (including Triumphs) using >>> coil-over >>>> shocks in the rear to supplement a tired leaf-spring. I noticed Ratco is >>>> selling this as an upgrade to the TR suspension. My question, especially >>> with >>>> regard to a rotoflex axle in my GT6 is, why not? >>>> >>>> benefits seem to be: >>>> - spring travels same path as shock >>>> - easily adjustable spring rate and height >>>> >>>> downsides: >>>> - possible space limitations (probably avoidable when going from donut > to >>> CV) >>>> - what am I missing??? >>>> >>>> If you're redoing the entire suspension anyway, is this not a good way > to >>> go? >>>> And if not, has anyone tried the composite "leaf" springs and saved the >>> 40-50 >>>> lbs of steel? >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chuck Watson >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 19 17:16:06 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:16:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? Message-ID: I think that Burt's suggestion of a shot of Henry's holed block would be very appropriate for his book. Just need a suitable caption. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net "Barr, Scott" wrote: ><< so perhaps we should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes >forward. >> > >Jimmy Coan? > >Scott B. > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf >Of J.C. Hassall >Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:57 AM >To: Doug Mitchell >Cc: fot >Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > >On 12/18/2012 7:19 PM, Doug Mitchell wrote: >> You might check with Burt to see if there is still time. The book was >supposed to be released this past September, but I know he missed that >deadline. Not sure when it will be out now. He owes me a copy when it is >released. At any rate, I'd be willing to put in some money. >> >> >Doug, good point. Burt said: > >Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany of >excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). >I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you still >have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating members" and >pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole through the side at >The Mitty might be nice.... >Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much >appreciated! > >I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we should >start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. >Ideas? Henry, what do you think? > >TIA > >jim > >-- > >Jim Hassall >Blacksburg VA >'63 TR4 in autox preparation >99% finished, 90% to go >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Dec 19 17:47:06 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:47:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to other marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. My vote is we do something for them. Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "Doug Mitchell" Cc: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > Burt said: > Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany > of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you > still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating > members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole > through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much > appreciated! > > I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we > should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > Ideas? Henry, what do you think? From jason at multivintage.com Wed Dec 19 18:09:16 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:09:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: References: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> Message-ID: > Sorry if this comes through twice, got bounced for "too long". Forgot to > shorten original message... > Anyway... > Unfortunately/ fortunately, there are lots of answers to these questions. The pri independent rear looks neat.... but coil over shocks are specifically mentioned as "not allowed" with all the vintage group's rules that I looked at. I think that here the important thing to understand is that we want a setup that is lower and has limited travel. That's the nut shell. From the beginning days of improvement the cautions have been cost and complexity. You could get really complicated here and have lots of adjustments and options. I'm not sure any of that matters. What I want, and what is fast, is a setup that doesn't move much, never bottoms out, and is stronger than stock. Looks like Vince found a way to do that for 15.00 (Smart) There are several ways to go down this road and some are more complex than others The important basics are mainly a stiffer spring, stronger axles, and better hubs. Steve and Chuck seem to have made great strides in development here with the use of the 240Z axle set. Older versions, like mine.... use TR6 axles and Corvair CV joints (39 years old) or perhaps with custom made billet axles and hubs (and of coarse good hard shocks). Whatever is done and with what parts... essentially all need to accomplish the same thing....give the proper spring height. which in turn gives the proper camber. For the record, about perfect for a race GT6 is 3/4 degree negative. In terms of an acceptable maximum and minimum we are looking for a number of 1 to 1/2 negative. Any beefy set-up in that rage will be fine Keep it simple, make it strong. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Dec 19 18:48:25 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:48:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <5BBAC350-C8AD-4A77-B13A-C0BC8B10DEF4@austin.rr.com> Although I too have suffered the inevitable ventilated block I suspect that our failure rate is no different than the norm for 50/60's small sports cars. Sure 911's seem more dependable but not much else. We are just more humble and self deprecating, a fine trait........ Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2012, at 6:47 PM, wrote: > What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we > Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to other > marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe > perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. > > We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. My > vote is we do something for them. > > Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. > > Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J.C. Hassall" > To: "Doug Mitchell" > Cc: "fot" > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > > >> Burt said: > >> Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany >> of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). >> I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you >> still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating >> members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole >> through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... >> Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much >> appreciated! >> >> I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we >> should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. >> Ideas? Henry, what do you think? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Dec 19 18:53:35 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:53:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <5BBAC350-C8AD-4A77-B13A-C0BC8B10DEF4@austin.rr.com> References: , <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net>, <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local>, <5BBAC350-C8AD-4A77-B13A-C0BC8B10DEF4@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: We could do a collage of ventilated block pictures. :) Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:48:25 -0600 > To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > Although I too have suffered the inevitable ventilated block I suspect that > our failure rate is no different than the norm for 50/60's small sports cars. > Sure 911's seem more dependable but not much else. We are just more humble and > self deprecating, a fine trait........ > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 19, 2012, at 6:47 PM, wrote: > > > What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we > > Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to other > > marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe > > perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. > > > > We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. My > > vote is we do something for them. > > > > Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. > > > > Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! > > > > Henry > > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J.C. Hassall" > > To: "Doug Mitchell" > > Cc: "fot" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > > > > > > >> Burt said: > > > >> Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany > >> of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > >> I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you > >> still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating > >> members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole > >> through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > >> Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much > >> appreciated! > >> > >> I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we > >> should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > >> Ideas? Henry, what do you think? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Wed Dec 19 19:14:40 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:14:40 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: References: , <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net>, <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local>, <5BBAC350-C8AD-4A77-B13A-C0BC8B10DEF4@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE11335A6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> I've got a couple photos of that as well. I think we would probably need a two page spread if ventilated blocks were the theme... Ed Dunn -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:54 PM Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? We could do a collage of ventilated block pictures. :) Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:48:25 -0600 > To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > Although I too have suffered the inevitable ventilated block I suspect > that our failure rate is no different than the norm for 50/60's small > sports cars. > Sure 911's seem more dependable but not much else. We are just more > humble and > self deprecating, a fine trait........ > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 19, 2012, at 6:47 PM, wrote: > > > What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that > > we Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared > > to other marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not > > believe perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. > > > > We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee > > F. My vote is we do something for them. > > > > Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. > > > > Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! > > > > Henry > > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J.C. Hassall" > > To: "Doug Mitchell" > > Cc: "fot" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > > > > > > >> Burt said: > > > >> Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full > >> litany of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > >> I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So > >> you still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, > >> "participating members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's > >> motor with the hole through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > >> Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is > >> much appreciated! > >> > >> I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps > >> we should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > >> Ideas? Henry, what do you think? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Dec 19 19:32:58 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:32:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE11335A6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: , <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net>, <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local>, <5BBAC350-C8AD-4A77-B13A-C0BC8B10DEF4@austin.rr.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE11335A6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <50D278DA.8020405@comcast.net> A couple of years ago we were sitting in my engine builders motorhome at the race track enjoying a few Irish coffee's in the evening. His wife was using a blender to make the whipped cream, turned it on with the spoon still inside and ventilated the blender sending whipped cream all over the motorhome. Hadn't laughed that hard in ages. Got a photo for the collage. From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Dec 19 19:36:02 2012 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 21:36:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE11335A6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> <5BBAC350-C8AD-4A77-B13A-C0BC8B10DEF4@austin.rr.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE11335A6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <2A13AF62-8B02-4F0E-9B98-C208EE8EEBD8@aol.com> I have a picture of a rolls-Royce Merlin (air plane engine) that had been ventilated by a broken rod. Basically the only thing that held the front of the block to the rear of the block was the head. It is a sad but awesome picture Chris On Dec 19, 2012, at 9:14 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > I've got a couple photos of that as well. I think we would probably need a two > page spread if ventilated blocks were the theme... > > Ed Dunn > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of marty sukey > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:54 PM > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > We could do a collage of ventilated block pictures. :) > > Marty > ---------------------------------------- >> From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:48:25 -0600 >> To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? >> >> Although I too have suffered the inevitable ventilated block I suspect >> that our failure rate is no different than the norm for 50/60's small >> sports > cars. >> Sure 911's seem more dependable but not much else. We are just more >> humble > and >> self deprecating, a fine trait........ >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 19, 2012, at 6:47 PM, wrote: >> >>> What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that >>> we Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared >>> to other marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not >>> believe perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. >>> >>> We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee >>> F. My vote is we do something for them. >>> >>> Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. >>> >>> Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! >>> >>> Henry >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "J.C. Hassall" >>> To: "Doug Mitchell" >>> Cc: "fot" >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? >>> >>> >>> >>>> Burt said: >>> >>>> Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full >>>> litany of excuses available > athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). >>>> I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So >>>> you still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, >>>> "participating members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's >>>> motor with the hole through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... >>>> Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is >>>> much appreciated! >>>> >>>> I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps >>>> we should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. >>>> Ideas? Henry, what do you think? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Dec 19 21:09:45 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 22:09:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: Agreed - lets do something positive. I'm sure we all have our piles of broken bits / trophies. I've got a beat up corner of a car I rolled hanging in the garage as wall art - and as a reminder that keeping the wheels on the car is important. I like the Jimmy Coan / Lanky F tribute and the Kas Cup winners tribute ideas. Cheers, Tony At 06:47 PM 12/19/2012, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: >What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we >Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to other >marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe >perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. > >We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. My >vote is we do something for them. > >Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. > >Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! > >Henry >yellow04 at tr4racer.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "J.C. Hassall" >To: "Doug Mitchell" >Cc: "fot" >Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM >Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > > > > Burt said: > > > Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany > > of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > > I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you > > still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating > > members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole > > through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > > Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much > > appreciated! > > > > I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we > > should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > > Ideas? Henry, what do you think? >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From mark at bradakis.com Wed Dec 19 21:30:29 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 21:30:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <20121220041121.22C6B40430@autox.team.net> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> <20121220041121.22C6B40430@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <50D29465.1080305@bradakis.com> Tony Drews wrote: > I like the Jimmy Coan / Lanky F tribute and the Kas Cup winners > tribute ideas. > A montage of then and now? Anyone have a pic of Kas in an MG? mjb. From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Dec 19 21:39:48 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 23:39:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <20121220041145.15B8A40423@autox.team.net> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> <20121220041145.15B8A40423@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000d01cdde6c$0af89570$20e9c050$@rogers.com> I have some good Lanky pictures from Watkins Glen if needed. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: December 19, 2012 11:10 PM To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? Agreed - lets do something positive. I'm sure we all have our piles of broken bits / trophies. I've got a beat up corner of a car I rolled hanging in the garage as wall art - and as a reminder that keeping the wheels on the car is important. I like the Jimmy Coan / Lanky F tribute and the Kas Cup winners tribute ideas. Cheers, Tony At 06:47 PM 12/19/2012, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: >What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we >Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to >other marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe >perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. > >We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. >My vote is we do something for them. > >Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. > >Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! > >Henry >yellow04 at tr4racer.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "J.C. Hassall" >To: "Doug Mitchell" >Cc: "fot" >Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM >Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > > > > Burt said: > > > Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full > > litany of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > > I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So > > you still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, > > "participating members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's > > motor with the hole through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > > Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is > > much appreciated! > > > > I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps > > we should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > > Ideas? Henry, what do you think? >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From billdentin at aol.com Thu Dec 20 08:36:30 2012 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:36:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <20121220041119.DB77440454@autox.team.net> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> <20121220041119.DB77440454@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CFACDEEA8E3806-2670-33DD9@webmail-m173.sysops.aol.com> Agreed - lets do something positive. I'm sure we all have our piles f broken bits / trophies. I've got a beat up corner of a car I olled hanging in the garage as wall art - and as a reminder that eeping the wheels on the car is important. I like the Jimmy Coan / anky F tribute and the Kas Cup winners tribute ideas. "Self depreciation" has always been a favorite kind of humor for me. Probably because it comes so easy to me. But other, the GREAT, often use self depreciation as a method to get their public to react, "Are you kidding? You're GREAT!" Thanks to the likes of Kas, Tullius, and literally thousands of shade tree efforts TRIUMPH can do the same. TRIUMPH's record is GREAT! And there has always been a lot of that 'inside self depreciation humor' among the FOT. I'll bet not everyone knows that our orginal FOT logo, when drawn by Greg Petrolati, used the the passing and debris flags vice passing and checkered. A faded copy of that still sits on the front of my enclosed trailer. But we, rightfully, chose the latter. Burt Levy's books and style sure lend themselves to such tongue in cheek humor. And old Blackhawk Farms racers will tell you that Burt Levy's run in TRIUMPHs was a personification of the perverbial rusty, tacky TR3 nickle rocket. BUT they will also tell you that he went fast. So such self-depreciating humorous, and inside jokes work for TRIUMPH, but in this case, I vote with Tony (and others) that we take the High Road and do something classy. I'm in. Bill Dentinger From igofaster at att.net Thu Dec 20 08:39:08 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 07:39:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> References: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> Message-ID: <1356017948.94522.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> As far a coil overs on the rear of a GT6? I'm not an engineer buy on the MKII and MKIII the shock towere is on the inside of the wheel well... I don't think there is enough clearance without major modification to the wheel well to adapt a mounting point. I believe the MKI used a shock mount that mounted somewhat to the frame inside the back of the wheel well... I think there is a modification that I bought from Rimmer Brothers a few years ago to attempt this type of mod... it went back and forth with them because there was a bushing size issue or a clearance type issue... they finally refunded the whole purchase price without asking for the bits and pieces back... maybe a few years later (I haven't looked) they got the specifics right.... Bobby ________________________________ From: Christopher Bock To: Vince G Cc: FOT List Sent: Wed, December 19, 2012 10:52:37 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear I did see the conversion from PRI. It looks sweet and cool. If I had the green I would go for it. But... What about using coil overs and just a single leaf. Use the coil over to do the ride hight and ride control and let the leaf do the suspension geometry movements. Any thoughts on how that might work? Isn't there a picture and a small comment about this in one of Kas books? Chris On Dec 19, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Vince G wrote: > Charles, there are some set ups out there for the GT6 if you want a completely > new/more modern set up. I think PRI sells what looks like a good conversion. > > Im on a budget so I took the 15 dollar route and simply added a helper spring > to the top of the tired old transverse leaf stack. I bought a 2000# trailer > spring at princess auto, used the longest leaf, de-arched it to achieve a > lower ride height and slipped it under the top plate that bolts down onto leaf > set up. It was simple, cheap and easy to install and works really well. It's > nice that I didn't even have to pull the main leaf out in order to do this and > could out the helper easily and adjust the arch if need be. > > I left in the rotoflex setup and run on performance street tires. I figure I'm > less likely to break a hub or axle that way but that's just my opinion. When > I have a few grand to blow I may do the rear conversion. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-12-19, at 9:05 AM, "Charles WATSON" wrote: > >> Friends: >> >> I see a lot of folks in various marquees (including Triumphs) using > coil-over >> shocks in the rear to supplement a tired leaf-spring. I noticed Ratco is >> selling this as an upgrade to the TR suspension. My question, especially > with >> regard to a rotoflex axle in my GT6 is, why not? >> >> benefits seem to be: >> - spring travels same path as shock >> - easily adjustable spring rate and height >> >> downsides: >> - possible space limitations (probably avoidable when going from donut to > CV) >> - what am I missing??? >> >> If you're redoing the entire suspension anyway, is this not a good way to > go? >> And if not, has anyone tried the composite "leaf" springs and saved the > 40-50 >> lbs of steel? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Watson >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From chasgee at aol.com Thu Dec 20 08:44:24 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 07:44:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: <1356017948.94522.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> <1356017948.94522.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just use the Spitfire mounting points to get the clearance. You might need to find the brackets that mount to the frame. Chuck On Dec 20, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > As far a coil overs on the rear of a GT6? I'm not an engineer buy on the MKII > and MKIII the shock towere is on the inside of the wheel well... I don't think > there is enough clearance without major modification to the wheel well to adapt > a mounting point. > I believe the MKI used a shock mount that mounted somewhat to the frame inside > the back of the wheel well... I think there is a modification that I bought from > Rimmer Brothers a few years ago to attempt this type of mod... it went back and > forth with them because there was a bushing size issue or a clearance type > issue... they finally refunded the whole purchase price without asking for the > bits and pieces back... maybe a few years later (I haven't looked) they got the > specifics right.... > > Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Christopher Bock > To: Vince G > Cc: FOT List > Sent: Wed, December 19, 2012 10:52:37 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear > > I did see the conversion from PRI. It looks sweet and cool. If I had the > green I would go for it. > > But... > > What about using coil overs and just a single leaf. Use the coil over to do > the ride hight and ride control and let the leaf do the suspension geometry > movements. > > Any thoughts on how that might work? > > Isn't there a picture and a small comment about this in one of Kas books? > > Chris > > On Dec 19, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Vince G wrote: > >> Charles, there are some set ups out there for the GT6 if you want a > completely >> new/more modern set up. I think PRI sells what looks like a good > conversion. >> >> Im on a budget so I took the 15 dollar route and simply added a helper > spring >> to the top of the tired old transverse leaf stack. I bought a 2000# trailer >> spring at princess auto, used the longest leaf, de-arched it to achieve a >> lower ride height and slipped it under the top plate that bolts down onto > leaf >> set up. It was simple, cheap and easy to install and works really well. > It's >> nice that I didn't even have to pull the main leaf out in order to do this > and >> could out the helper easily and adjust the arch if need be. >> >> I left in the rotoflex setup and run on performance street tires. I figure > I'm >> less likely to break a hub or axle that way but that's just my opinion. > When >> I have a few grand to blow I may do the rear conversion. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 2012-12-19, at 9:05 AM, "Charles WATSON" wrote: >> >>> Friends: >>> >>> I see a lot of folks in various marquees (including Triumphs) using >> coil-over >>> shocks in the rear to supplement a tired leaf-spring. I noticed Ratco is >>> selling this as an upgrade to the TR suspension. My question, especially >> with >>> regard to a rotoflex axle in my GT6 is, why not? >>> >>> benefits seem to be: >>> - spring travels same path as shock >>> - easily adjustable spring rate and height >>> >>> downsides: >>> - possible space limitations (probably avoidable when going from donut to >> CV) >>> - what am I missing??? >>> >>> If you're redoing the entire suspension anyway, is this not a good way to >> go? >>> And if not, has anyone tried the composite "leaf" springs and saved the >> 40-50 >>> lbs of steel? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck Watson >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Dec 20 08:52:09 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:52:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: References: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> <1356017948.94522.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E8054F6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> I feel sure Joe Curry will chime in here, but some part of that solution might be what's available on his web page. http://spitlist.info/Shock.Mounts.htm No provision for coil-overs there, though there might be enough space with street tires. For my street GT6, I've been contemplating this issue. The rear spring needs replacing - again. I've owned the car for 16 years and I've replaced the spring at least twice, maybe three times already. Gotta go for one of those composite springs this time, or some sort of coil-over solution. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Gee Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:44 AM To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear Just use the Spitfire mounting points to get the clearance. You might need to find the brackets that mount to the frame. Chuck From igofaster at att.net Thu Dec 20 09:07:09 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:07:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1356019629.62870.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I've got a beautiful block with internal modified ventilation.... how about that? he, we can't beat ourselves up too much... my friend Lou Merchant built a beautiful MGA for her daughter to run...three weekends and a block 'ventilated' on both side with holes large enough to fit a fist through... so.. it's not all Triumphs!! there... Merry Christmas ya'll! Bobby ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, December 19, 2012 6:47:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to other marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. My vote is we do something for them. Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "Doug Mitchell" Cc: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > Burt said: > Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany > of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you > still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating > members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole > through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much > appreciated! > > I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we > should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > Ideas? Henry, what do you think? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Dec 20 09:33:26 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:33:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <1356019629.62870.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net><61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> <1356019629.62870.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7440D8C9B7264E348EE68EFB9862EE7F@gdhs.local> I can contribute a 4 block ventilated on both sides John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:07 AM To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? I've got a beautiful block with internal modified ventilation.... how about that? he, we can't beat ourselves up too much... my friend Lou Merchant built a beautiful MGA for her daughter to run...three weekends and a block 'ventilated' on both side with holes large enough to fit a fist through... so.. it's not all Triumphs!! there... Merry Christmas ya'll! Bobby ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, December 19, 2012 6:47:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to other marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. My vote is we do something for them. Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "Doug Mitchell" Cc: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > Burt said: > Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany > of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you > still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating > members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole > through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much > appreciated! > > I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we > should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > Ideas? Henry, what do you think? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu Dec 20 09:37:32 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:37:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 73, Issue 41-Coil Overs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My sons street use 1500 Spit has Monroe Coil over shock booster springs along with the stock leaf spring. The sag is gone, it feels pretty firm and I don't see any clearance issues, but it's obviously not a Rotoflex. I don't know yet how well it works, we bought the car like that and took to get painted last weekend. mike G. Michael Harmuth From list at mackenzie.aero Thu Dec 20 09:47:59 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:47:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 73, Issue 41-Coil Overs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001d01cdded1$c617c4b0$52474e10$@aero> I have the same set up on my street Spit 1500. It works great and is the perfect balance for street and AutoX. If the rear end sits too high you can trim the coil to adjust the height. At something like $60 a pair [Autozone] it is also a sweet deal. Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '78 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Harmuth Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:38 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 73, Issue 41-Coil Overs My sons street use 1500 Spit has Monroe Coil over shock booster springs along with the stock leaf spring. The sag is gone, it feels pretty firm and I don't see any clearance issues, but it's obviously not a Rotoflex. I don't know yet how well it works, we bought the car like that and took to get painted last weekend. mike G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Dec 20 11:11:56 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:11:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1300 Large Bearing Crank - Small Bearing Crank? Message-ID: <8919AAC2-DC3C-4958-9542-BAA65E7FDBDB@comcast.net> Is it possible to tell if a crank is a large bearing crank or a small bearing crank from just looking at it from the outside and still in the car? The PO couldn't really tell me much about the bottom end of the engine now in my Spit so until I pull this engine I may just have to be curious. Have any of you had a large bearing Spitfire crank modified per Kas's example in the Triumph Prep. Handbook? I believe Dan Hall Machine Inc. in Portland is still around but was wondering if there were other machine shops who the list may have used for the cross drilling, etc. of a large bearing crank. Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From triosan at gmail.com Thu Dec 20 12:35:34 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:35:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Connecting Rods with Relief Holes In-Reply-To: References: <010601cdde59$eeca8dc0$cc5fa940$@asmoothmove.biz> Message-ID: Added FOT to this string -- sorry for those it is a duplicate. Wanted to try to equate the hp number I just got of by car from a DynoJet chassis dyno with the numbers from "back in the day". Found a great article at : http://www.hardtail.com/techtips/hpexplained.html to net it out, as it were: HP before 1972 in US was a gross figure -- engine dyno, no accessories. After 72 SAE HP is engine with accessories -- about a 20% parasitic loss (net SAE) When you factor in rear wheel through drive train with a standard tranny you lose 15% more. My racing TR6 was measured at 172 on the dyno [and running rich] with PI, hottest cam I can get, lots of head work and a Pacesetter exhaust maifold to 2.5" pipe with racing muffler [am putting in a Goodparts header before racing next year]. Using .15 for parasitic loss instead of .2, I get about 202 SAE Net HP and a wopping 238 using 1970 gross SAE values. I seem to recall in one of KAS books they were getting around 240 HP on the engines -- and there gross versus net were probably the same as thee were no "accessories" on the race engine. That seems about right also -- I should pick up some HP with the header and leaning it out and I run about 12.5:1 compression. Think Kas was around 14:1. On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Richard Seaton wrote: > > I'd suggest,If not going over 150hp, then the stock rods will be fine. >> > > Don't forget the factory CP cars were 150 HP in stock form. > > I thought I read the late rods were better??? I must be mistaken. >> > > I've had some lengthy discussions with JK Jackson about this and he was, > adamant that early rods are the better choice. > > I believe the reason that the early rods are better is that they don't > start out with a huge stress riser drilled into the rod at the spot where > the stresses all converge. > > But I've been wrong before. > > ;-) > > rml > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > --------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > --------------- > > ______________________________**__________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/6pack/triosan at gmail.* > *com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Dec 20 12:45:41 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:45:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1300 Large Bearing Crank - Small Bearing Crank? Message-ID: <002f01cddeea$9836e3a0$c8a4aae0$@rr.com> The size of the crank pulley is larger on the later Spit (large crank) as is the securing nut. The easiest way is to look at the engine number. The small crank engines were all FD or FE prefix while the large crank 1296 engines were FK. The 1500 engines were FM prefix. These appear on a tab of casting on the left rear of the block where it meets with the head. Just to make it interesting, the 1147 engine can have it's crank used in a small crank 1296 (FE or FD) by installing a speedy sleeve on the sealing area in the rear. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud R Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 1:12 PM To: fot at autox.team.net List Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1300 Large Bearing Crank - Small Bearing Crank? Is it possible to tell if a crank is a large bearing crank or a small bearing crank from just looking at it from the outside and still in the car? The PO couldn't really tell me much about the bottom end of the engine now in my Spit so until I pull this engine I may just have to be curious. Have any of you had a large bearing Spitfire crank modified per Kas's example in the Triumph Prep. Handbook? I believe Dan Hall Machine Inc. in Portland is still around but was wondering if there were other machine shops who the list may have used for the cross drilling, etc. of a large bearing crank. Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From kaskas at cox.net Thu Dec 20 14:05:39 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:05:39 +0000 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Connecting Rods with Relief Holes In-Reply-To: References: <010601cdde59$eeca8dc0$cc5fa940$@asmoothmove.biz>, , , , Message-ID: All the engines done at the USA Competition Department were with accessories which included water pump and alternator or generator. the same at the factory, but open exhaust with no silencing. The SAE correction factor was and is used by most to compensate for the change in temperature, humidity and barometric pressure. SAE power in DETROIT was always LESS accessories (at least back in the old days). The BHP number I quote is at the FLYWHEEL on the engine dyno. Mysterious things happen to it after that position :-) All of my engines for the Triumph cars used the stock rods modified as I have written. No others were legal under the regulations of 1972 and earlier. My TR-6 engines made 133-138 regularly with 13.0 compression ratio or slightly less as we only had 100 octane gasoline not the present day 110+ race fuel. Making 200 BHP out of the TR-6 engine should be a walk in the park. I did use increased torque values on both the con rods and the mains to stop the caps from fretting. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:35:34 -0800 > From: triosan at gmail.com > To: lang at isis.mit.edu; fot at autox.team.net > CC: 6pack at autox.team.net; rsh17 at msn.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] [6pack] Connecting Rods with Relief Holes > > Added FOT to this string -- sorry for those it is a duplicate. Wanted to > try to equate the hp number I just got of by car from a DynoJet chassis > dyno with the numbers from "back in the day". > > Found a great article at : > http://www.hardtail.com/techtips/hpexplained.html > > to net it out, as it were: > HP before 1972 in US was a gross figure -- engine dyno, no accessories. > After 72 SAE HP is engine with accessories -- about a 20% parasitic loss > (net SAE) > When you factor in rear wheel through drive train with a standard tranny > you lose 15% more. > > My racing TR6 was measured at 172 on the dyno [and running rich] with PI, > hottest cam I can get, lots of head work and a Pacesetter exhaust maifold > to 2.5" pipe with racing muffler [am putting in a Goodparts header before > racing next year]. Using .15 for parasitic loss instead of .2, I get about > 202 SAE Net HP and a wopping 238 using 1970 gross SAE values. I seem to > recall in one of KAS books they were getting around 240 HP on the engines > -- and there gross versus net were probably the same as thee were no > "accessories" on the race engine. That seems about right also -- I should > pick up some HP with the header and leaning it out and I run about 12.5:1 > compression. Think Kas was around 14:1. > > > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > > > On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Richard Seaton wrote: > > > > I'd suggest,If not going over 150hp, then the stock rods will be fine. > >> > > > > Don't forget the factory CP cars were 150 HP in stock form. > > > > I thought I read the late rods were better??? I must be mistaken. > >> > > > > I've had some lengthy discussions with JK Jackson about this and he was, > > adamant that early rods are the better choice. > > > > I believe the reason that the early rods are better is that they don't > > start out with a huge stress riser drilled into the rod at the spot where > > the stresses all converge. > > > > But I've been wrong before. > > > > ;-) > > > > rml > > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > > --------------- > > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > > Former NER Solo Chair | > > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > > --------------- > > > > ______________________________**__________ > > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/6pack/triosan at gmail.* > > *com > > > > > > > > > -- > Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Dec 20 19:21:07 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 20:21:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net> References: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net> Message-ID: I don't know about the Helicoil option. You might be able to convert the "hole" to a short stud with a Helicoil but it may stress the block improperly. FWIW I took apart one block that had a long stud drilled and tapped at the bottom through the block and locked in place that way. It was also drilled for a set screw from the side. It wasn't a running engine but it looked like it had worked. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2012, at 6:48 PM, "M&M Hado" wrote: > I was just finishing up a TR2 engine rebuild and one of the 9.5" studs > stripped the threads in the block at the bottom of the 4" hole when I got to > about 70 ft-lb. Has anyone successfully put a HeliCoil at the bottom of > this hole? > > The original size of the hole in the block is about 17/32" (just enough to > accommodate the 1/2" stud, of course) and this happens to be the tap drill > size for the 1/2-13 HeliCoil. The OD of the HeliCoil itself is about .615" > so that means I would have to drill out the hole in the block to something > larger than this - say 5/8" and save about an inch at the bottom for tapping > for the HeliCoil. I'm wondering if there is enough meat in the block to > drill out the hole to 5/8". > > Having gone this far, I really would like to save this block so any > ideas/hints/experience would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Mike Hado > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From mhado at att.net Thu Dec 20 20:34:50 2012 From: mhado at att.net (M&M Hado) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:34:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: References: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net> Message-ID: <00ef01cddf2c$226b39e0$6741ada0$@att.net> Thanks, Bob. I have decided to put the HeliCoil at the top of the hole and use a short stud. The existing hole is already the exact size for the HeliCoil tap so the installation was easy. I torqued it up and looks to be OK, so I'm hoping for the best with no resulting block stresses that will cause problems. The owner does not stress the car. Thanks for your suggestions. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer [mailto:rkramer3 at austin.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:21 PM To: mhado at att.net Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs I don't know about the Helicoil option. You might be able to convert the "hole" to a short stud with a Helicoil but it may stress the block improperly. FWIW I took apart one block that had a long stud drilled and tapped at the bottom through the block and locked in place that way. It was also drilled for a set screw from the side. It wasn't a running engine but it looked like it had worked. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2012, at 6:48 PM, "M&M Hado" wrote: > I was just finishing up a TR2 engine rebuild and one of the 9.5" studs > stripped the threads in the block at the bottom of the 4" hole when I > got to about 70 ft-lb. Has anyone successfully put a HeliCoil at the > bottom of this hole? > > The original size of the hole in the block is about 17/32" (just > enough to accommodate the 1/2" stud, of course) and this happens to be > the tap drill size for the 1/2-13 HeliCoil. The OD of the HeliCoil itself is about .615" > so that means I would have to drill out the hole in the block to > something larger than this - say 5/8" and save about an inch at the > bottom for tapping for the HeliCoil. I'm wondering if there is enough > meat in the block to drill out the hole to 5/8". > > Having gone this far, I really would like to save this block so any > ideas/hints/experience would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Mike Hado > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From robertten1 at aol.com Thu Dec 20 21:15:17 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 23:15:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Composite Spring Message-ID: <8CFAD48EA8ACD9D-A94-39120@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> Ooops ! Someone on here asked about manufacturer of composite leaf springs. I bought mine from Flex-A-Form ( 864-261-7006 ) was just over $300. Mine is for my Spit GT its super light and is rated at 250 lb. I believe some one on the list had one for sale awhile back. Cheers & good luck, Bob T. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Dec 21 05:36:41 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 13:36:41 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: <00ef01cddf2c$226b39e0$6741ada0$@att.net> References: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net> <00ef01cddf2c$226b39e0$6741ada0$@att.net> Message-ID: <002701cddf77$d68cb3e0$83a61ba0$@com> If that would be good to set the bolt upstairs to the block to the factory would have done it back in the days - shorter bolts are cheaper ;-) I once did cure the problem this way. I drilled out the hole to fit a M18 sleeve. The inside was prepared for the stud to fit down in the block. The outside was fitted with the M18 thread over the whole length. The sleeve was run in with epoxy and the little protrusion was removed very gently with a fine file. Example for a short sleeve: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Mc_c4IxD4NY/UNRWKwzstaI/AAAAAAAABk4/cEYb7 NrE2as/s985/DSCN1569.JPG -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von M&M Hado Gesendet: Freitag, 21. Dezember 2012 04:35 An: 'Bob Kramer' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs Thanks, Bob. I have decided to put the HeliCoil at the top of the hole and use a short stud. The existing hole is already the exact size for the HeliCoil tap so the installation was easy. I torqued it up and looks to be OK, so I'm hoping for the best with no resulting block stresses that will cause problems. The owner does not stress the car. Thanks for your suggestions. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer [mailto:rkramer3 at austin.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:21 PM To: mhado at att.net Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs I don't know about the Helicoil option. You might be able to convert the "hole" to a short stud with a Helicoil but it may stress the block improperly. FWIW I took apart one block that had a long stud drilled and tapped at the bottom through the block and locked in place that way. It was also drilled for a set screw from the side. It wasn't a running engine but it looked like it had worked. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2012, at 6:48 PM, "M&M Hado" wrote: > I was just finishing up a TR2 engine rebuild and one of the 9.5" studs > stripped the threads in the block at the bottom of the 4" hole when I > got to about 70 ft-lb. Has anyone successfully put a HeliCoil at the > bottom of this hole? > > The original size of the hole in the block is about 17/32" (just > enough to accommodate the 1/2" stud, of course) and this happens to be > the tap drill size for the 1/2-13 HeliCoil. The OD of the HeliCoil > itself is about .615" > so that means I would have to drill out the hole in the block to > something larger than this - say 5/8" and save about an inch at the > bottom for tapping for the HeliCoil. I'm wondering if there is enough > meat in the block to drill out the hole to 5/8". > > Having gone this far, I really would like to save this block so any > ideas/hints/experience would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Mike Hado > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From riverside at southslope.net Fri Dec 21 08:24:54 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:24:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <7440D8C9B7264E348EE68EFB9862EE7F@gdhs.local> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net><61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local><1356019629.62870.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <7440D8C9B7264E348EE68EFB9862EE7F@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <964448E156624D37A6512114BF03CB8B@rileyPC> sadly, I can contribute a beautifully ventilated 86mm venolia piston. upside: it is easy to move around art de armond -----Original Message----- From: john hasty Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:33 AM To: 'Bobby Whitehead' ; yellow04 at tr4racer.com Cc: 'FoT Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? I can contribute a 4 block ventilated on both sides John H. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:07 AM To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? I've got a beautiful block with internal modified ventilation.... how about that? he, we can't beat ourselves up too much... my friend Lou Merchant built a beautiful MGA for her daughter to run...three weekends and a block 'ventilated' on both side with holes large enough to fit a fist through... so.. it's not all Triumphs!! there... Merry Christmas ya'll! Bobby ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, December 19, 2012 6:47:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to other marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. My vote is we do something for them. Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "Doug Mitchell" Cc: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > Burt said: > Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany > of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you > still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating > members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole > through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much > appreciated! > > I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we > should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > Ideas? Henry, what do you think? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5972 - Release Date: 12/19/12 From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 21 09:09:17 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:09:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] PICTURES OF THE ICONIC ROAD AMERICA PAGODA SOUGHT Message-ID: <8CFADACA9606733-1B04-3C1FF@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> FOT: I am looking for full frontal views of the old T & S PAGODA at ROAD AMERICA. Any offerings and sources would be greatly appreciated. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 21 11:18:17 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 13:18:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] PAGODA REQUEST THANKS...I think I have all I need for research Message-ID: <8CFADBEAEE44331-1B04-3D10B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Dec 21 13:06:35 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:06:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: <002701cddf77$d68cb3e0$83a61ba0$@com> References: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net> <00ef01cddf2c$226b39e0$6741ada0$@att.net> <002701cddf77$d68cb3e0$83a61ba0$@com> Message-ID: The factory did make them short -- on the Standard Vanguard engine that preceded the TR engine. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 (had the Vanguard engine when new) On Dec 21, 2012, at 6:36 AM, MadMarx wrote: > If that would be good to set the bolt upstairs to the block to the factory > would have done it back in the days - shorter bolts are cheaper ;-) From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Dec 21 16:45:08 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:45:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3963D0D9-4BC7-4174-B05F-4DB496C11DAE@gmail.com> The Standard Vanguard was 2088 cc's and power rating was 68 hp at 4300 rpm, whereas the 1990 cc TR2 engine (same stroke, 1mm smaller bore) produced 90 hp at 4800 rpm. I have read a story about Standard factory engineers visiting Australian David van Dal after getting wind of the level of power he claimed to have wrung out of the Standard Vanguard in his early Morgan Plus Four. Dubious at first, apparently they learned something from this innovative racer. I'm not sure about the stud diameter, but it seems likely they were upgraded too. Duncan On Dec 21, 2012, at 3:47 PM, Randall wrote: >> The factory did make them short -- on the Standard Vanguard >> engine that preceded the TR engine. > > Didn't it also use smaller studs, and make about half as much power? > > -- Randall From igofaster at att.net Fri Dec 21 18:43:07 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:43:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] da bomb Message-ID: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> JOE A. ...you da BOMB ! thanks for the videos ! haven't watched The Bomb yet but you know what? I do get to watch the ->California Air<- video again and further note... I'd rather push a Triumph than drive a Cadillac... even though my GT-6+ had self ventilated, I have a signed Triumph by Kas Kastner on that video production... Kas, you and Peggy were so very gracious to me after I sought you out at the Mitty. My engine was blown and I asked you "should you sign it ready to push?" .. with a small thought you graciously responded and signed, "how about 'Racing Soon, Kas Kastner' ...a smiling memory for me for my lifetime ... How cool is that? I get all weepy and sappy around this time of year, as this year comes to close so here if you don't like the love.... Thank you all my friends with the love of Triumph's in your heart for being , dare I boast , one of us! Merry Christmas Ya'll ~! Love from Texas, Bobby From mark at bradakis.com Fri Dec 21 18:50:35 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:50:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] da bomb In-Reply-To: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50D511EB.8070001@bradakis.com> Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Thank you all my friends with the love of Triumph's in your heart for being , > dare I boast , one of us! > Amen to that! mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Fri Dec 21 18:52:05 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:52:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Out of town Message-ID: <50D51245.8020109@bradakis.com> I'll be in down in Orange County for a bit visiting family, so if the server blows up while I am gone I won't be able to do much. mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Fri Dec 21 18:53:40 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:53:40 -0800 Subject: [Fot] da bomb References: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50D511EB.8070001@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1049DD61120A4DADAF79F1E9B5BAF0CF@Bud> Rock on Triumph owners!! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] da bomb > Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> Thank you all my friends with the love of Triumph's in your heart for >> being , >> dare I boast , one of us! >> > > Amen to that! > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 21 19:12:57 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:12:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] da bomb In-Reply-To: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFAE00FE31FB87-1964-3F7A0@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> no Bobby....you be "da BOMB......." Notes: KCUP 2013 looks like a record year for GT6 and Spitfire Entries. North American Spitfire Squadron is planning on making KCUP a regional meet. GT6 & Spitfire magazine will be there to do your stories and take your pictures. Bobby, bring your guitar and we will find electricity. Bring your CALIFORNIA AIR, too. John Clancy plans to be with us. He will sign it for you. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: Joe Alexander Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:43 pm Subject: da bomb JOE A. ...you da BOMB ! thanks for the videos ! haven't watched The Bomb yet but you know what? I do get to watch the ->California Air<- video again and further note... I'd rather push a Triumph than drive a Cadillac... even though my GT-6+ had self ventilated, I have a signed Triumph by Kas Kastner on that video production... Kas, you and Peggy were so very gracious to me after I sought you out at the Mitty. My engine was blown and I asked you "should you sign it ready to push?" .. with a small thought you graciously responded and signed, "how about 'Racing Soon, Kas Kastner' ...a smiling memory for me for my lifetime ... How cool is that? I get all weepy and sappy around this time of year, as this year comes to close so here if you don't like the love.... Thank you all my friends with the love of Triumph's in your heart for being , dare I boast , one of us! Merry Christmas Ya'll ~! Love from Texas, Bobby From stutzmans at comcast.net Fri Dec 21 19:18:55 2012 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:18:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: References: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net><00ef01cddf2c$226b39e0$6741ada0$@att.net><002701cddf77$d68cb3e0$83a61ba0$@com> Message-ID: <476980F46761412CA5F72BCF0AF82F19@ComputerPC> One of the many modifications made when the 68 hp. Vangard engine was being modified for the 90 hp. TR2, was changing the block casting so longer studs could be screwed deeper into the block. The block was cracking at the original short stud holes. So, good luck Mike. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Charlton" To: "FOT at autox.team.net Triumph" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs > The factory did make them short -- on the Standard Vanguard engine that > preceded the TR engine. > > Duncan > (Texas) > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 (had the Vanguard engine when new) > > > On Dec 21, 2012, at 6:36 AM, MadMarx wrote: > >> If that would be good to set the bolt upstairs to the block to the >> factory >> would have done it back in the days - shorter bolts are cheaper ;-) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Fri Dec 21 19:21:23 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:21:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <60742FD3C9AB4A0A8604F5BAF9B3BABE@Bud> Hi Gang..I would like to nominate Bob Greer of Sonoma, CA to FOT..Bob has been vintage racing for about 20 years in an MGB and before that an Austin Healey.. Bob is now doing a complete restoration of a street Mk2 Spitfire.. I'm not real sure how to get him started with the gang His email is robonglen at yahoo.com thanks Racer Bud Spitfire #21 From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 21 19:27:22 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:27:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <60742FD3C9AB4A0A8604F5BAF9B3BABE@Bud> References: <60742FD3C9AB4A0A8604F5BAF9B3BABE@Bud> Message-ID: <8CFAE03022C006A-1964-3F84D@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> Another Spitfire? Outstanding! Mark, can you add him before you leave for CA? Welcome aboard! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD To: fot Cc: BOB SURFBUM GREER Sent: Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:22 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination Hi Gang..I would like to nominate Bob Greer of Sonoma, CA to FOT..Bob has been vintage racing for about 20 years in an MGB and before that an Austin Healey.. Bob is now doing a complete restoration of a street Mk2 Spitfire.. I'm not real sure how to get him started with the gang His email is robonglen at yahoo.com thanks Racer Bud Spitfire #21 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From mark at bradakis.com Fri Dec 21 20:01:27 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 20:01:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <60742FD3C9AB4A0A8604F5BAF9B3BABE@Bud> References: <60742FD3C9AB4A0A8604F5BAF9B3BABE@Bud> Message-ID: <50D52287.3000706@bradakis.com> Done deal. mjb. From mhado at att.net Fri Dec 21 20:26:16 2012 From: mhado at att.net (M&M Hado) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:26:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: <476980F46761412CA5F72BCF0AF82F19@ComputerPC> References: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net><00ef01cddf2c$226b39e0$6741ada0$@att.net><002701cddf77$d68cb3e0$83a61ba0$@com> <476980F46761412CA5F72BCF0AF82F19@ComputerPC> Message-ID: <010801cddff4$1a45aac0$4ed10040$@att.net> I'm crossing my fingers, but I think it will be fine. Thanks for all the input from everyone. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stutzmans Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 8:19 PM To: Duncan Charlton; FOT at autox.team.net Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs One of the many modifications made when the 68 hp. Vangard engine was being modified for the 90 hp. TR2, was changing the block casting so longer studs could be screwed deeper into the block. The block was cracking at the original short stud holes. So, good luck Mike. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Charlton" To: "FOT at autox.team.net Triumph" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs > The factory did make them short -- on the Standard Vanguard engine > that preceded the TR engine. > > Duncan > (Texas) > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 (had the Vanguard engine when new) > > > On Dec 21, 2012, at 6:36 AM, MadMarx wrote: > >> If that would be good to set the bolt upstairs to the block to the >> factory would have done it back in the days - shorter bolts are >> cheaper ;-) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mhado at att.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Dec 21 14:47:46 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 13:47:46 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > The factory did make them short -- on the Standard Vanguard > engine that preceded the TR engine. Didn't it also use smaller studs, and make about half as much power? -- Randall From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Dec 22 03:23:30 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 05:23:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cheers, MJB! References: <50D51245.8020109@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <4DDEFA24004F45A480FBC38F5C6BFBC3@TRIUMPH.local> Mark, Thanks again for all you do for us, enjoy your time away. Tis the season for good tidings and cheer, and spreading some of it towards the team.net server fund helps keep things going, and helps with stocking Mark's fridge with festive beverages. That's always important, especially this time of year! Think about clicking the donate link at the bottom of this message. The hours Mark volunteers to all this happen for us is something we are ALL thankful for. Happy Holidays! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 8:52 PM Subject: [Fot] Out of town > I'll be in down in Orange County for a bit visiting family, so if the > server > blows up while I am gone I won't be able to do much. > > mjb. From stocktontr4 at gmail.com Sat Dec 22 11:09:01 2012 From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com (dick stockton) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:09:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FS: TR7/Saab valve adjusting pads Message-ID: Leftover from my shop days. Many assorted TR7 valve adjusting pads. Email for a photo. Make an offer. Thanks. From bownes at seiri.com Sat Dec 22 11:29:12 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:29:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Data logging Message-ID: For those that are looking for a nice little data logging system, these folks are looking to get their project funded. http://www.indiegogo.com/RaceCapture?c=activity Bob From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sat Dec 22 12:42:12 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:42:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] da bomb In-Reply-To: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Bobby, Sent from my iPhone On Dec 21, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > JOE A. ...you da BOMB ! thanks for the videos ! > haven't watched The Bomb yet but you know what? I do get to watch the > ->California Air<- video again and further note... I'd rather push a Triumph > than drive a Cadillac... even though my GT-6+ had self ventilated, I have a > signed Triumph by Kas Kastner on that video production... > > Kas, you and Peggy were so very gracious to me after I sought you out at the > Mitty. My engine was blown and I asked you "should you sign it ready to push?" > .. with a small thought you graciously responded and signed, "how about 'Racing > Soon, Kas Kastner' ...a smiling memory for me for my lifetime ... How cool is > that? I get all weepy and sappy around this time of year, as this year comes to > close so here if you don't like the love.... > > Thank you all my friends with the love of Triumph's in your heart for being , > dare I boast , one of us! > > Merry Christmas Ya'll ~! > > Love from Texas, Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sat Dec 22 12:50:35 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:50:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] da bomb In-Reply-To: References: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0CA3E164-467C-41C2-B153-8FB096022314@yahoo.com> Sorry FOT, Hit send at the wrong time, dang old eyes and small phone screens! Merry Christmas to all! Mike Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2012, at 1:42 PM, Mike Munson wrote: > Hey Bobby, > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 21, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> JOE A. ...you da BOMB ! thanks for the videos ! >> haven't watched The Bomb yet but you know what? I do get to watch the >> ->California Air<- video again and further note... I'd rather push a > Triumph >> than drive a Cadillac... even though my GT-6+ had self ventilated, I have a >> signed Triumph by Kas Kastner on that video production... >> >> Kas, you and Peggy were so very gracious to me after I sought you out at the >> Mitty. My engine was blown and I asked you "should you sign it ready to > push?" >> .. with a small thought you graciously responded and signed, "how about > 'Racing >> Soon, Kas Kastner' ...a smiling memory for me for my lifetime ... How cool > is >> that? I get all weepy and sappy around this time of year, as this year comes > to >> close so here if you don't like the love.... >> >> Thank you all my friends with the love of Triumph's in your heart for being > , >> dare I boast , one of us! >> >> Merry Christmas Ya'll ~! >> >> Love from Texas, Bobby >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From levilevi at comcast.net Sat Dec 22 16:18:50 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:18:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1300 Camshaft 88812 Crankshaft 43398 Message-ID: <4A371F35-031C-4FE6-8D41-843132DD3591@comcast.net> The only marking on the spare camshaft I'm checking out is a stamped 88312. The spare crankshaft (large bearing) is stamped 43398. I've done some searches but found nothing definitive. Anyone know what these numbers might indicate as far as make, model, specs, etc. for either one? Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 22 17:07:43 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:07:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Idle Chatter Message-ID: <3DECF430-9CB9-4B67-929C-B206F50AD47D@sbcglobal.net> A M I C I & Friends I made the cover of my 1100 club magazine. Check it out. www.the1100club.com Dennis From igofaster at att.net Sat Dec 22 18:46:38 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 17:46:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Dave Brouwer also commented on your Wall post. Message-ID: <1356227198.50786.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Not TRIUMPH.... but racing....cool link with the hardware! will this link work? my buddy Dave got the link with the Traqmate and GoPro figured out.. Bobby http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HWwuavBXXE From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Dec 23 13:21:48 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:21:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FOT TRIVIA SAM HALKIAS AND RICHARD TAYLOR SHARE THE SAME BIRTH DATES today........ Message-ID: <8CFAF62455B22B5-80C-48154@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> Pretty useless info, I guess. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Dec 23 14:18:24 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 16:18:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FOT TRIVIA SAM HALKIAS AND RICHARD TAYLOR SHARE THE SAME BIRTH DATE... Message-ID: In a message dated 12/23/2012 2:21:57 PM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > Pretty useless info, I guess. > What are you talking about? That's critical information that comes up in TRIVIA PURSUIT competition all the time. MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR. Bill (Damdinger) From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sun Dec 23 19:00:04 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 18:00:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] FOT TRIVIA SAM HALKIAS AND RICHARD TAYLOR SHARE THE SAME BIRTH DATE... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1356314404.10096.YahooMailNeo@web120704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Sam and his lovely wife Carol share the same birthday as well. Mike ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT TRIVIA SAM HALKIAS AND RICHARD TAYLOR SHARE THE SAME BIRTH DATE... In a message dated 12/23/2012 2:21:57 PM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > Pretty useless info, I guess. > What are you talking about? That's critical information that comes up in TRIVIA PURSUIT competition all the time. MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From kaskas at cox.net Sun Dec 23 19:39:21 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 02:39:21 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Crankshafts Message-ID: So I went into the garage today and was going to move some sections of old railroad rail iron into the yard, but there were a bunch of little guys beating the crap out of this iron with hammers making old iron into crankshafts for Triumph engines. Whoa, these are serious Elves. Got your order in? Not too late to ask. Never be beaten by equipment From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Dec 23 20:32:52 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 22:32:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedge Fiberglass Parts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Passing on some info that was given to me. There is a guy in the Cleveland Ohio area that has some new TR7/8 fiberglass front fenders and hoods for sale at $100 each. His name is Eric at 216-281-4048. Contact him direct for more info. I have no first hand knowledge of him or the fenders. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 24 08:11:25 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:11:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Crankshafts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK! I'll take one. Peace all. On Dec 23, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > net From igofaster at att.net Mon Dec 24 08:21:28 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:21:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Crankshafts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1356362488.96489.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I've been pretty good this year and would love a billet crank for my GT6 under the tree.... however, I don't think anybody makes one unless it's one off primo dinereo .. Merry Christmas Peggy and KAS and my family with F.o.T. ! Bobby ________________________________ From: Kas Kastner To: fot Sent: Sun, December 23, 2012 8:39:52 PM Subject: [Fot] Crankshafts So I went into the garage today and was going to move some sections of old railroad rail iron into the yard, but there were a bunch of little guys beating the crap out of this iron with hammers making old iron into crankshafts for Triumph engines. Whoa, these are serious Elves. Got your order in? Not too late to ask. Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Mon Dec 24 08:34:07 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:34:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all Message-ID: <1356363247.87089.YahooMailClassic@web162203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 25 09:29:06 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 08:29:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Merry Christmas Message-ID: <1356452946.8129.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Merry Christmas to all of my new found Friends of Triumph! I will be reading my signed copy of Kas Kastner's Triumph Prep Handbook! Have a great holiday...Shawn, Tammy, and Ethyn Frank From budscars at comcast.net Tue Dec 25 09:44:48 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 08:44:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Merry Christmas References: <1356452946.8129.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2A6B6441AC9C45DE9962384DA43E7AD5@Bud> Merry Christmas Shawn and all of FOT Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Frank" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 8:29 AM Subject: [Fot] Merry Christmas > Merry Christmas to all of my new found Friends of Triumph! I will be > reading my signed copy of Kas Kastner's Triumph Prep Handbook! Have a > great holiday...Shawn, Tammy, and Ethyn Frank > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Tue Dec 25 13:33:03 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 13:33:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. Message-ID: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/vintage-racing-shakeups/ Nice pic gents. Happy Holidays. Ty From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Dec 25 13:51:16 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 12:51:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. In-Reply-To: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1356468676.95473.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Photos tell a whole story. Bob Kramer and Greg Blake appear to have their attention on something other than the upcoming race. Merry Xmas to all! -Ed- --- On Tue, 12/25/12, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote: From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. To: "jason at multivintage.com" Cc: "Triumph Friends of" Date: Tuesday, December 25, 2012, 2:33 PM http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/vintage-racing-shakeups/ Nice pic gents. Happy Holidays. Ty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 25 14:07:55 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:07:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Just saw a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. The KASTNER CUP at The Mitty 2012 In-Reply-To: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> References: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFB0FB0A50E9BA-96C-536C0@webmail-d050.sysops.aol.com> and many are recognizable.......plus please note one of the grid girls. Classic Motorsports orchestrated the big fanfare at the STARTING GRID at THE MITTY.....with on site interviews of drivers and organizers. The CLASSIC MOTORSPORTS GRID GIRLS were a nice touch.......Kas and I almost missed it.....curious, we came out of our perch on the hill and rode the golf car in. No one had told us. A failure to communicate. But it went well. I'd like to see us do this at Road America for KCUP 2013. It will require some additional organization, that would include the FOT, VSCDA, and RA......John Houlton, Mike Korneli, and I will discuss and see where it goes. It's a nice feature. We will likely go directly to the podium for awarding of the Kastner Cup....Kas and I have discussed MARQUE AWARDS, and I would like to proceed with that idea. Joe Alexander Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/vintage-racing-shakeups/ Nice pic gents. Happy Holidays. Ty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Dec 24 23:12:20 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 22:12:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] MERRY CHRISTMAS Message-ID: <1356415940.62090.YahooMailClassic@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> It is officially midnight and I am sitting here waiting for Santa to come. To all the wonderful people who make this list so great... have a very Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year. I wish all of you the best this holiday season and in the coming year. Thank you and God bless all of you that have touched my life. -Ed- From budscars at comcast.net Tue Dec 25 14:32:19 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 13:32:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] MERRY CHRISTMAS References: <1356415940.62090.YahooMailClassic@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ed!..Merry Christmas and God Bless You also!... Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 10:12 PM Subject: [Fot] MERRY CHRISTMAS > It is officially midnight and I am sitting here waiting for Santa to come. > To > all the wonderful people who make this list so great... have a very Merry > Christmas and a prosperous New Year. I wish all of you the best this > holiday > season and in the coming year. > Thank you and God bless all of you that have touched my life. > -Ed- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From mark at bradakis.com Tue Dec 25 20:43:03 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 20:43:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Home again Message-ID: <50DA7247.9060602@bradakis.com> Back home again, now to start catching up. mjb. From triosan at gmail.com Tue Dec 25 23:11:04 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 22:11:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. In-Reply-To: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> References: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> Message-ID: That picture, of course, was at pre-grid for the Mitty/Kas Cup race last April at Road Atlanta. I have posted 42 shots I took at the start of that race at https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737956856713038417 I was on the camera platform at the end of the front straight. Chuck On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com < Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com> wrote: > http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/vintage-racing-shakeups/ > > Nice pic gents. > > Happy Holidays. > > Ty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Dec 25 23:58:29 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 22:58:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spotted on Cragslist : Triumph Spitfire Engine and other parts in Anaheim, CA Message-ID: <22.D9.05345.010AAD05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> I don't know anything about this, but thought perhaps someone might be in need of a spare 1200 engine ... http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/pts/3501074058.html Randall From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Dec 23 08:05:02 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:05:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Go-Pro / Traqmate In-Reply-To: <1356227198.50786.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1356227198.50786.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: So how DID you get the Traqmate overlay on the GoPro? I'm intrigued! Cheers, Tony At 07:46 PM 12/22/2012, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >Not TRIUMPH.... but racing....cool link with the hardware! > >will this link work? my buddy Dave got the link with the Traqmate and GoPro >figured out.. > > >Bobby > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HWwuavBXXE >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Wed Dec 26 00:08:54 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 23:08:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spotted on Cragslist : Triumph Spitfire Engine and other parts in Anaheim, CA In-Reply-To: <22.D9.05345.010AAD05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <22.D9.05345.010AAD05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <76D7CF27-071F-426A-BC69-D2C2860DA651@qualityfueltrailers.com> Bought a spare GT6 motor & trans from him. Decent deal for cores. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2012, at 10:59 PM, "Randall" wrote: > I don't know anything about this, but thought perhaps someone might be in > need of a spare 1200 engine ... > > http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/pts/3501074058.html > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Dec 26 06:04:12 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 06:04:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Go-Pro / Traqmate In-Reply-To: <20121226070701.F028240529@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Tony, Traqmate offers the sync cable and software for Go Pro HD. I'm not sure how the sync cable works, I use the chase cam with the traqmate. Jim Gray http://store.traqmate.com/HD-Video-Upgrade-p/930022.htm -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 8:05 AM To: Bobby Whitehead; FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Go-Pro / Traqmate So how DID you get the Traqmate overlay on the GoPro? I'm intrigued! Cheers, Tony At 07:46 PM 12/22/2012, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >Not TRIUMPH.... but racing....cool link with the hardware! > >will this link work? my buddy Dave got the link with the Traqmate and GoPro >figured out.. > > >Bobby > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HWwuavBXXE >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From markvaden at gmail.com Wed Dec 26 08:30:57 2012 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 07:30:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Go-Pro / Traqmate In-Reply-To: <20121226070705.DDF9B40537@autox.team.net> References: <1356227198.50786.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20121226070705.DDF9B40537@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <66A93B94-5795-48F6-B7DF-A9392D30BDE2@gmail.com> Hi Tony, It looks like they used Traqmate's traqstudio program, which costs an additional $199. You can also use software which I wrote and sell (in the hopes of funding my tr4 racing) called DashWare. DashWare is currently on sale for 39.99 at www.DashWare.net. I am admittedly biased, but Dashware offers way more flexibility. Traqmate only has 2 or 3 dashes where as our software has dozens plus the ability to create more. I have already created triumph tr4 dash overlays and they are installed with DashWare. We have a free trial that lets you do everything but write out your final video. Mark Sent from my iPhone On Dec 23, 2012, at 7:05 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > So how DID you get the Traqmate overlay on the GoPro? I'm intrigued! > > Cheers, Tony > > At 07:46 PM 12/22/2012, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> Not TRIUMPH.... but racing....cool link with the hardware! >> >> will this link work? my buddy Dave got the link with the Traqmate and GoPro >> figured out.. >> >> >> Bobby >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HWwuavBXXE >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/markvaden at gmail.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Dec 26 12:12:56 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:12:56 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Go-Pro / Traqmate In-Reply-To: <66A93B94-5795-48F6-B7DF-A9392D30BDE2@gmail.com> References: <1356227198.50786.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20121226070705.DDF9B40537@autox.team.net> <66A93B94-5795-48F6-B7DF-A9392D30BDE2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50DB4C38.3070601@comcast.net> I've just purchased the Dashware software. I used the trial version to synch video from my GoPro and data from my AIM system. It was fun trying out different looks and I'm very happy with the results. My AIM system uses a beacon instead of GPS and it took a while to figure out how to line up the two files, but once I did, it turned out great. On 12/26/2012 7:30 AM, Mark Vaden wrote: > Hi Tony, > > It looks like they used Traqmate's traqstudio program, which costs an > additional $199. > > You can also use software which I wrote and sell (in the hopes of funding my > tr4 racing) called DashWare. DashWare is currently on sale for 39.99 at > www.DashWare.net. I am admittedly biased, but Dashware offers way more > flexibility. Traqmate only has 2 or 3 dashes where as our software has dozens > plus the ability to create more. I have already created triumph tr4 dash > overlays and they are installed with DashWare. We have a free trial that lets > you do everything but write out your final video. > > Mark > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 23, 2012, at 7:05 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > >> So how DID you get the Traqmate overlay on the GoPro? I'm intrigued! >> >> Cheers, Tony >> >> At 07:46 PM 12/22/2012, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>> Not TRIUMPH.... but racing....cool link with the hardware! >>> >>> will this link work? my buddy Dave got the link with the Traqmate and > GoPro >>> figured out.. >>> >>> >>> Bobby >>> >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HWwuavBXXE >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/markvaden at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Dec 26 12:55:15 2012 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:55:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. In-Reply-To: <1356468676.95473.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> <1356468676.95473.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801cde3a2$ecc7da20$c6578e60$@rr.com> The Union Jack of course...did I miss something? Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 2:51 PM To: jason at multivintage.com; Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Cc: Bob Kramer; GregoryBlake; Triumph Friends of; GregoryBlake Subject: Re: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. Photos tell a whole story. Bob Kramer and Greg Blake appear to have their attention on something other than the upcoming race. Merry Xmas to all! -Ed- --- On Tue, 12/25/12, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote: From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. To: "jason at multivintage.com" Cc: "Triumph Friends of" Date: Tuesday, December 25, 2012, 2:33 PM http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/vintage-racing-shakeups/ Nice pic gents. Happy Holidays. Ty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Dec 26 17:54:07 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 19:54:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions Message-ID: A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on the liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head gasket is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could be probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. Question is, do I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove the cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they will be challenging based upon some being stripped already. Thanks, From tr4 at wi.rr.com Wed Dec 26 18:22:34 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 19:22:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <78.4F.23502.ED2ABD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> What I have found through past experience is that with a solid copper head gasket you want the protrusion on the low side of spec and maybe down to .002" The reading you have is way too much for any of the current gaskets. If I surface the top of the block, which is frequently needed I correct the cylinder protrusion by taking off the required length from the seat of the liners. I made a setup on my lathe to make this a fairly easy process since I do a lot of these builds. As far as the crankshaft.... Any reputable crank grinder will as part of the process remove the plugs, grind the crank, thoroughly clean and reinstall new plugs! If you find one that does not follow this process find a new crankshaft grinder. I have noticed a number of decent crank grinders closing shop these days. There are many reasons for this which are understandable in today's economy and lack of engine rebuilds being accomplished. If you do find a good crank grinder spread the word and help these folks out. With the lack of work available and only being able to charge about $250 for a grinding it is very hard to make money when their machines cost around $50k or more. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:54 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on the liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head gasket is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could be probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. Question is, do I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove the cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they will be challenging based upon some being stripped already. Thanks, _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Dec 26 19:03:27 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 19:03:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <78.4F.23502.ED2ABD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: Steve & Marty The copper head gasket could be the shim type gasket. The old shim steel gaskets are now shim copper gaskets and are very soft. On the crank plugs I learned early to ask for them to be removed when I get the crank back. My ex-crank grinder never sent it back clean. Always packed with cuttings & debris. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Yott Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:23 PM To: 'marty sukey'; 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions What I have found through past experience is that with a solid copper head gasket you want the protrusion on the low side of spec and maybe down to .002" The reading you have is way too much for any of the current gaskets. If I surface the top of the block, which is frequently needed I correct the cylinder protrusion by taking off the required length from the seat of the liners. I made a setup on my lathe to make this a fairly easy process since I do a lot of these builds. As far as the crankshaft.... Any reputable crank grinder will as part of the process remove the plugs, grind the crank, thoroughly clean and reinstall new plugs! If you find one that does not follow this process find a new crankshaft grinder. I have noticed a number of decent crank grinders closing shop these days. There are many reasons for this which are understandable in today's economy and lack of engine rebuilds being accomplished. If you do find a good crank grinder spread the word and help these folks out. With the lack of work available and only being able to charge about $250 for a grinding it is very hard to make money when their machines cost around $50k or more. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:54 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on the liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head gasket is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could be probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. Question is, do I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove the cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they will be challenging based upon some being stripped already. Thanks, _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Dec 26 19:35:02 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:35:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <20121227021544.7495D40552@autox.team.net> References: <20121227021544.7495D40552@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <9EC3C3DB-8A2F-46B4-A1CC-3DCA44DC6F13@gdhs.com> Gee whiz guys. Maybe you should consider sending your cranks down here to NASCAR country. These guys do it right. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > Steve & Marty > The copper head gasket could be the shim type gasket. The old shim steel > gaskets are now shim copper gaskets and are very soft. > On the crank plugs I learned early to ask for them to be removed when > I get the crank back. My ex-crank grinder never sent it back clean. > Always packed with cuttings & debris. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Steve Yott > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:23 PM > To: 'marty sukey'; 'FOT' > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > What I have found through past experience is that with a solid copper head > gasket you want the protrusion on the low side of spec and maybe down to > .002" The reading you have is way too much for any of the current gaskets. > If I surface the top of the block, which is frequently needed I correct the > cylinder protrusion by taking off the required length from the seat of the > liners. I made a setup on my lathe to make this a fairly easy process since > I do a lot of these builds. > > As far as the crankshaft.... Any reputable crank grinder will as part of the > process remove the plugs, grind the crank, thoroughly clean and reinstall > new plugs! If you find one that does not follow this process find a new > crankshaft grinder. I have noticed a number of decent crank grinders > closing shop these days. There are many reasons for this which are > understandable in today's economy and lack of engine rebuilds being > accomplished. If you do find a good crank grinder spread the word and help > these folks out. With the lack of work available and only being able to > charge about $250 for a grinding it is very hard to make money when their > machines cost around $50k or more. > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of marty sukey > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:54 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on > the liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a > HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head > gasket is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and > could be probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. > Question is, do I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? > > Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove > the cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. > It looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of > the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they > will be challenging based upon some being stripped already. > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From johnstydo at gmail.com Wed Dec 26 19:35:16 2012 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:35:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. In-Reply-To: <001801cde3a2$ecc7da20$c6578e60$@rr.com> References: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> <1356468676.95473.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001801cde3a2$ecc7da20$c6578e60$@rr.com> Message-ID: John Hastey missed something too! On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > The Union Jack of course...did I miss something? > > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD > Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 2:51 PM > To: jason at multivintage.com; Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > Cc: Bob Kramer; GregoryBlake; Triumph Friends of; GregoryBlake > Subject: Re: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic > Motorsports Article. > > Photos tell a whole story. Bob Kramer and Greg Blake appear to have their > attention on something other than the upcoming race. > Merry Xmas to all! > -Ed- > > --- On Tue, 12/25/12, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > wrote: > > > From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic > Motorsports Article. > To: "jason at multivintage.com" > Cc: "Triumph Friends of" > Date: Tuesday, December 25, 2012, 2:33 PM > > > http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/vintage-racing-shakeups/ > > Nice pic gents. > > Happy Holidays. > > Ty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Dec 26 19:42:58 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (trmarty at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:42:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <9EC3C3DB-8A2F-46B4-A1CC-3DCA44DC6F13@gdhs.com> References: <20121227021544.7495D40552@autox.team.net> <9EC3C3DB-8A2F-46B4-A1CC-3DCA44DC6F13@gdhs.com> Message-ID: Car probably would not be able to turn right any more if we did that :) Marty Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon Wirelessb" -----Original message----- From: John Hasty To: Jim Gray Cc: "" , marty sukey , FOT Sent: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 02:35:02 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions Gee whiz guys. Maybe you should consider sending your cranks down here to NASCAR country. These guys do it right. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > Steve & Marty > The copper head gasket could be the shim type gasket. The old shim steel > gaskets are now shim copper gaskets and are very soft. > On the crank plugs I learned early to ask for them to be removed when > I get the crank back. My ex-crank grinder never sent it back clean. > Always packed with cuttings & debris. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Steve Yott > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:23 PM > To: 'marty sukey'; 'FOT' > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > What I have found through past experience is that with a solid copper head > gasket you want the protrusion on the low side of spec and maybe down to > .002" The reading you have is way too much for any of the current gaskets. > If I surface the top of the block, which is frequently needed I correct the > cylinder protrusion by taking off the required length from the seat of the > liners. I made a setup on my lathe to make this a fairly easy process since > I do a lot of these builds. > > As far as the crankshaft.... Any reputable crank grinder will as part of the > process remove the plugs, grind the crank, thoroughly clean and reinstall > new plugs! If you find one that does not follow this process find a new > crankshaft grinder. I have noticed a number of decent crank grinders > closing shop these days. There are many reasons for this which are > understandable in today's economy and lack of engine rebuilds being > accomplished. If you do find a good crank grinder spread the word and help > these folks out. With the lack of work available and only being able to > charge about $250 for a grinding it is very hard to make money when their > machines cost around $50k or more. > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of marty sukey > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:54 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on > the liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a > HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head > gasket is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and > could be probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. > Question is, do I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? > > Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove > the cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. > It looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of > the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they > will be challenging based upon some being stripped already. > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Wed Dec 26 20:01:18 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:01:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <76.A0.26019.10ABBD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Now that's funny! Steve _____ From: trmarty at hotmail.com [mailto:trmarty at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 8:43 PM To: John Hasty; Jim Gray Cc: ; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions Car probably would not be able to turn right any more if we did that :) Marty Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon WirelessT -----Original message----- From: John Hasty To: Jim Gray Cc: "" , marty sukey , FOT Sent: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 02:35:02 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions Gee whiz guys. Maybe you should consider sending your cranks down here to NASCAR country. These guys do it right. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > Steve & Marty > The copper head gasket could be the shim type gasket. The old shim steel > gaskets are now shim copper gaskets and are very soft. > On the crank plugs I learned early to ask for them to be removed when > I get the crank back. My ex-crank grinder never sent it back clean. > Always packed with cuttings & debris. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Steve Yott > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:23 PM > To: 'marty sukey'; 'FOT' > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > What I have found through past experience is that with a solid copper head > gasket you want the protrusion on the low side of spec and maybe down to > .002" The reading you have is way too much for any of the current gaskets. > If I surface the top of the block, which is frequently needed I correct the > cylinder protrusion by taking off the required length from the seat of the > liners. I made a setup on my lathe to make this a fairly easy process since > I do a lot of these builds. > > As far as the crankshaft.... Any reputable crank grinder will as part of the > process remove the plugs, grind the crank, thoroughly clean and reinstall > new plugs! If you find one that does not follow this process find a new > crankshaft grinder. I have noticed a number of decent crank grinders > closing shop these days. There are many reasons for this which are > understandable in today's economy and lack of engine rebuilds being > accomplished. If you do find a good crank grinder spread the word and help > these folks out. With the lack of work available and only being able to > charge about $250 for a grinding it is very hard to make money when their > machines cost around $50k or more. > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of marty sukey > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:54 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on > the liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a > HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head > gasket is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and > could be probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. > Question is, do I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? > > Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove > the cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. > It looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of > the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they > will be challenging based upon some being stripped already. > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Dec 26 20:45:32 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:45:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <76.A0.26019.10ABBD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <76.A0.26019.10ABBD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: Ok you guys. Remember Sears Point & Watkins Glen & if you are mature enough Riverside oh and 24 hrs @ Daytona. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2012, at 10:01 PM, "Steve Yott" wrote: > Now that's funny! > Steve > > From: trmarty at hotmail.com [mailto:trmarty at hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 8:43 PM > To: John Hasty; Jim Gray > Cc: ; FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > Car probably would not be able to turn right any more if we did that :) > > Marty > > Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon Wirelessb" > > > -----Original message----- > From: John Hasty > To: Jim Gray > Cc: "" , marty sukey , FOT > Sent: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 02:35:02 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > Gee whiz guys. Maybe you should consider sending your cranks down here to NASCAR country. These guys do it right. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 26, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > > > Steve & Marty > > The copper head gasket could be the shim type gasket. The old shim steel > > gaskets are now shim copper gaskets and are very soft. > > On the crank plugs I learned early to ask for them to be removed when > > I get the crank back. My ex-crank grinder never sent it back clean. > > Always packed with cuttings & debris. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of Steve Yott > > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:23 PM > > To: 'marty sukey'; 'FOT' > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > > > What I have found through past experience is that with a solid copper head > > gasket you want the protrusion on the low side of spec and maybe down to > > .002" The reading you have is way too much for any of the current gaskets. > > If I surface the top of the block, which is frequently needed I correct the > > cylinder protrusion by taking off the required length from the seat of the > > liners. I made a setup on my lathe to make this a fairly easy process since > > I do a lot of these builds. > > > > As far as the crankshaft.... Any reputable crank grinder will as part of the > > process remove the plugs, grind the crank, thoroughly clean and reinstall > > new plugs! If you find one that does not follow this process find a new > > crankshaft grinder. I have noticed a number of decent crank grinders > > closing shop these days. There are many reasons for this which are > > understandable in today's economy and lack of engine rebuilds being > > accomplished. If you do find a good crank grinder spread the word and help > > these folks out. With the lack of work available and only being able to > > charge about $250 for a grinding it is very hard to make money when their > > machines cost around $50k or more. > > > > Steve Yott > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of marty sukey > > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:54 PM > > To: FOT > > Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > > > A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on > > the liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a > > HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head > > gasket is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and > > could be probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. > > Question is, do I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? > > > > Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove > > the cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. > > It looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of > > the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they > > will be challenging based upon some being stripped already. > > > > Thanks, > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 26 21:53:04 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:53:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1E641D8B-2D1C-4630-81D0-B2B751D9145B@sbcglobal.net> Marty - I like to make the figure 8 gaskets from sheets of brass with the thickness that will get protrusion into spec. D On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: > A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on the > liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a HP > street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head gasket > is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could be > probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. Question is, do > I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? > > Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove the > cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It > looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of the > hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they will > be challenging based upon some being stripped already. > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Dec 26 18:26:35 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 19:26:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E26F184-11A6-4486-A55A-7C6D4930FA23@austin.rr.com> Make sure you measure protrusion after setting a head on top. I set it all up dry and run nuts down all the studs. You may find out that you have less protrusion than you first measured. The steel figure 8's are stamped and press down to around .0155". If you still have more than .005" you will need to have custom gaskets made. Mordy Dunst "Gasket Works" makes them. Cleaning the crank without pulling the plugs is a guessing game. Get them out before spending money on the crank! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: > A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on the > liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a HP > street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head gasket > is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could be > probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. Question is, do > I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? > > Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove the > cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It > looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of the > hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they will > be challenging based upon some being stripped already. > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 27 09:14:26 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:14:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <8E26F184-11A6-4486-A55A-7C6D4930FA23@austin.rr.com> References: <8E26F184-11A6-4486-A55A-7C6D4930FA23@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <36CBEC8D-BC6D-4723-A2F9-E2FE7E54C35F@sbcglobal.net> Speaking of the figure 8 gasket - what are you all using as a sealant these days? On Dec 26, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Make sure you measure protrusion after setting a head on top. I set it all up > dry and run nuts down all the studs. You may find out that you have less > protrusion than you first measured. The steel figure 8's are stamped and press > down to around .0155". If you still have more than .005" you will need to have > custom gaskets made. Mordy Dunst "Gasket Works" makes them. > > Cleaning the crank without pulling the plugs is a guessing game. Get them out > before spending money on the crank! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: > >> A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on > the >> liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a HP >> street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head > gasket >> is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could > be >> probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. Question is, > do >> I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? >> >> Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove > the >> cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It >> looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of the >> hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they > will >> be challenging based upon some being stripped already. >> >> Thanks, >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From tr4 at wi.rr.com Thu Dec 27 09:45:19 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:45:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <36CBEC8D-BC6D-4723-A2F9-E2FE7E54C35F@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <5E.73.23502.12B7CD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> I use a thin layer of the "Right Stuff".... I put that crap on everything!!!! As per the lady in the hot sauce commercial... Since it takes awhile to get everything in place and bolted down you don't want to use a fast set gasket sealer. I really like the Right Stuff as it will not fail you and does take a little while to setup. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dennis Delap Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:14 AM To: Bob Kramer Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions Speaking of the figure 8 gasket - what are you all using as a sealant these days? On Dec 26, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Make sure you measure protrusion after setting a head on top. I set it > all up > dry and run nuts down all the studs. You may find out that you have > less protrusion than you first measured. The steel figure 8's are > stamped and press > down to around .0155". If you still have more than .005" you will need > to have > custom gaskets made. Mordy Dunst "Gasket Works" makes them. > > Cleaning the crank without pulling the plugs is a guessing game. Get > them out > before spending money on the crank! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: > >> A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am >> working on > the >> liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is >> a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. >> Head > gasket >> is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could > be >> probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. >> Question is, > do >> I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? >> >> Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to >> remove > the >> cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It >> looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple >> of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm >> thinking they > will >> be challenging based upon some being stripped already. >> >> Thanks, >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From koblinger at verizon.net Thu Dec 27 11:18:06 2012 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:18:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] So Cal Machine Shop Recommendation Message-ID: <50DC90DE.2050709@verizon.net> Looking for recommendations for machine work for a GT6 engine. Just typical rebuild work; clean the block, check the crank bore and align bore if needed, turn the crank, balance, etc, etc. Prefer the So. Bay, Redondo, Torrance area or possibly Long Beach. TIA, Kurt Oblinger From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Dec 27 09:48:29 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:48:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <5E.73.23502.12B7CD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <5E.73.23502.12B7CD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <2D0B3B50-897B-4743-9D77-328DC6E262E5@austin.rr.com> I settled on Hylomar blue in a tube. It self heals and I spread it on thin between two fingers. I used to use aerosol Hylomar for head gaskets when it was available. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 27, 2012, at 10:45 AM, "Steve Yott" wrote: > I use a thin layer of the "Right Stuff".... I put that crap on > everything!!!! As per the lady in the hot sauce commercial... > > Since it takes awhile to get everything in place and bolted down you don't > want to use a fast set gasket sealer. I really like the Right Stuff as it > will not fail you and does take a little while to setup. > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Dennis Delap > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:14 AM > To: Bob Kramer > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > Speaking of the figure 8 gasket - what are you all using as a sealant these > days? > > > On Dec 26, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> Make sure you measure protrusion after setting a head on top. I set it >> all > up >> dry and run nuts down all the studs. You may find out that you have >> less protrusion than you first measured. The steel figure 8's are >> stamped and > press >> down to around .0155". If you still have more than .005" you will need >> to > have >> custom gaskets made. Mordy Dunst "Gasket Works" makes them. >> >> Cleaning the crank without pulling the plugs is a guessing game. Get >> them > out >> before spending money on the crank! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: >> >>> A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am >>> working on >> the >>> liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is >>> a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. >>> Head >> gasket >>> is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and > could >> be >>> probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. >>> Question > is, >> do >>> I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? >>> >>> Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to >>> remove >> the >>> cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. > It >>> looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple >>> of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm >>> thinking they >> will >>> be challenging based upon some being stripped already. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From igofaster at att.net Thu Dec 27 18:36:01 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:36:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] So Cal Machine Shop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <50DC90DE.2050709@verizon.net> References: <50DC90DE.2050709@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1356658561.69993.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> also on the hunt for a machine shop that can do the long line boring procedure to allow cam bearings for the GT6... Bobby ________________________________ From: Kurt Oblinger To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Thu, December 27, 2012 12:19:19 PM Subject: [Fot] So Cal Machine Shop Recommendation Looking for recommendations for machine work for a GT6 engine. Just typical rebuild work; clean the block, check the crank bore and align bore if needed, turn the crank, balance, etc, etc. Prefer the So. Bay, Redondo, Torrance area or possibly Long Beach. TIA, Kurt Oblinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Dec 28 04:08:32 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:08:32 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <36CBEC8D-BC6D-4723-A2F9-E2FE7E54C35F@sbcglobal.net> References: <8E26F184-11A6-4486-A55A-7C6D4930FA23@austin.rr.com> <36CBEC8D-BC6D-4723-A2F9-E2FE7E54C35F@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <000c01cde4eb$af528240$0df786c0$@com> As these fig-8 gaskets to corrode quickly I install them in a way that NO water can reach them. A thick layer of silicone on the block surface and a thick layer of silicone on the sleeve foot. Never a drop get past this barrier. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Dennis Delap Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Dezember 2012 17:14 An: Bob Kramer Cc: FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions Speaking of the figure 8 gasket - what are you all using as a sealant these days? On Dec 26, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Make sure you measure protrusion after setting a head on top. I set it > all up > dry and run nuts down all the studs. You may find out that you have > less protrusion than you first measured. The steel figure 8's are > stamped and press > down to around .0155". If you still have more than .005" you will need > to have > custom gaskets made. Mordy Dunst "Gasket Works" makes them. > > Cleaning the crank without pulling the plugs is a guessing game. Get > them out > before spending money on the crank! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: > >> A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am >> working on > the >> liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is >> a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. >> Head > gasket >> is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could > be >> probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. >> Question is, > do >> I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? >> >> Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to >> remove > the >> cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It >> looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple >> of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm >> thinking they > will >> be challenging based upon some being stripped already. >> >> Thanks, >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From levilevi at comcast.net Fri Dec 28 10:16:49 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:16:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <5E.73.23502.12B7CD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <5E.73.23502.12B7CD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <8E4EEEA1-405E-4C21-A075-6D60F4EF8D18@comcast.net> I'm a "Right Stuff" user too. It works great and I've even used it to stop leaks on the outer edge of a timing cover that I didn't have the time or inclination to go through the whole process of removing all the things needed to pull the cover. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Steve Yott wrote: > I use a thin layer of the "Right Stuff".... I put that crap on > everything!!!! As per the lady in the hot sauce commercial... > > Since it takes awhile to get everything in place and bolted down you > don't > want to use a fast set gasket sealer. I really like the Right Stuff > as it > will not fail you and does take a little while to setup. > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Dennis Delap > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:14 AM > To: Bob Kramer > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > Speaking of the figure 8 gasket - what are you all using as a > sealant these > days? > > > On Dec 26, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Bob Kramer > wrote: > >> Make sure you measure protrusion after setting a head on top. I set >> it >> all > up >> dry and run nuts down all the studs. You may find out that you have >> less protrusion than you first measured. The steel figure 8's are >> stamped and > press >> down to around .0155". If you still have more than .005" you will >> need >> to > have >> custom gaskets made. Mordy Dunst "Gasket Works" makes them. >> >> Cleaning the crank without pulling the plugs is a guessing game. Get >> them > out >> before spending money on the crank! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: >> >>> A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am >>> working on >> the >>> liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This >>> is >>> a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new >>> sleeves. >>> Head >> gasket >>> is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel >>> and > could >> be >>> probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. >>> Question > is, >> do >>> I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? >>> >>> Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to >>> remove >> the >>> cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out >>> sufficiently. > It >>> looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple >>> of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm >>> thinking they >> will >>> be challenging based upon some being stripped already. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From kaskas at cox.net Fri Dec 28 15:21:39 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:21:39 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: V-12 DIESEL ENGINE THAT FITS IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND In-Reply-To: <2C0D3EB1-529F-4D0E-8E10-814CCC9F9BDD@mac.com> References: , <2C0D3EB1-529F-4D0E-8E10-814CCC9F9BDD@mac.com> Message-ID: Just when you begain to feel smug about your machining and engine building, you see a master and his acomplishment. Never be beaten by equipment Begin forwarded message: Subject: V-12 DIESEL ENGINE THAT FITS IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND Date: December 28, 2012 12:24:15 PM PST ; YOU HAVE GOT TO WATCH THIS CLIP, ITS AMAZING VIDEO OF TRUE CRAFTSMANSHIP. AN OPERATIONAL V-12 DIESEL ENGINE THAT FITS IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND. This is not CNC Technology; this guy made everything at home on his lathe and drill press. Took 1220 hours to make the 261 pieces. Note the end-loaded crankshaft into the block (like an Offy), 12 individual cylinder heads, TINY rods and pistons, dual "underhead" cams with pushrods to rockers in the heads. And, he did break-in runs using an electric drill driving the crankshaft! Even if you're not an engineer, you'll love this! www.wimp.com/tiniestengine/ From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Dec 28 16:20:56 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 18:20:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: V-12 DIESEL ENGINE THAT FITS IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND In-Reply-To: , <2C0D3EB1-529F-4D0E-8E10-814CCC9F9BDD@mac.com> References: , <2C0D3EB1-529F-4D0E-8E10-814CCC9F9BDD@mac.com> Message-ID: He has also built an amazing radial aircraft engine as well. Both are actually powered by compressed air. If he would connect to a small boiler he would have a very advanced poppet valve steam engine. Incredible piece of work. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Kas Kastner To: fot Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 5:21 PM Subject: [Fot] FW: V-12 DIESEL ENGINE THAT FITS IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND Just when you begain to feel smug about your machining and engine building, you see a master and his acomplishment. Never be beaten by equipment Begin forwarded message: Subject: V-12 DIESEL ENGINE THAT FITS IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND Date: December 28, 2012 12:24:15 PM PST ; YOU HAVE GOT TO WATCH THIS CLIP, ITS AMAZING VIDEO OF TRUE CRAFTSMANSHIP. AN OPERATIONAL V-12 DIESEL ENGINE THAT FITS IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND. This is not CNC Technology; this guy made everything at home on his lathe and drill press. Took 1220 hours to make the 261 pieces. Note the end-loaded crankshaft into the block (like an Offy), 12 individual cylinder heads, TINY rods and pistons, dual "underhead" cams with pushrods to rockers in the heads. And, he did break-in runs using an electric drill driving the crankshaft! Even if you're not an engineer, you'll love this! www.wimp.com/tiniestengine/ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard at msn.com From list at mackenzie.aero Thu Dec 27 15:22:55 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:22:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] So Cal Machine Shop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <50DC90DE.2050709@verizon.net> References: <50DC90DE.2050709@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000f01cde480$b96b5ba0$2c4212e0$@aero> There is only one place to go: Costa Mesa R&D 123 Monte Vista Avenue, Costa Mesa, CA 92627 (949) 631-6376 John Edwards John is an amazing machinist who actually wrote the book on how to re-build engines. John is also famous for his YouTube videos under the name of "fiatnutz" where he showcases some the innovative methods he had developed over the years. Additionally he has developed a custom bee-hive valve spring for use on Spitfire race engines. I have them on one of my heads and he can put them on you GT6 head as well. Some videos for Triumphs: Spitfire Bee-hive springs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLlY0sTYYBY Bee-hive spring retainer mods: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTjApt0hOlk Spitfire con rod mods: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-RkCY4Gl9c Rocker Arm Rebuilding for the Triumph Spitfire : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7APJucC0RD0 I can't say enough good things about John and his work. Robert MacKenzie -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kurt Oblinger Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 12:18 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: [Fot] So Cal Machine Shop Recommendation Looking for recommendations for machine work for a GT6 engine. Just typical rebuild work; clean the block, check the crank bore and align bore if needed, turn the crank, balance, etc, etc. Prefer the So. Bay, Redondo, Torrance area or possibly Long Beach. TIA, Kurt Oblinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Dec 29 14:40:15 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:40:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 to TR6 front suspension swap webpage Message-ID: I finally put together the web page outlining what's necessary to swap the TR-3/4 front suspension for the later TR-6 setup. The page is here: http://www.tonydrews.com/Front_Suspension/tr4_front_suspension_upgrade.htm Cheers, Tony Drews From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Dec 30 18:19:55 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 17:19:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Indy driver passes away Message-ID: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I posted this the other day, but for some reason it didn't get posted to the list. Lets try again. -Ed- --- On Fri, 12/28/12, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: From: EDWARD BARNARD Subject: Indy driver passes away To: "FOT" Date: Friday, December 28, 2012, 11:26 PM For those who follow such happenings, Salt Walther passed away today. He is best known for the terrible crash he was involved in at the start of the '73 500. Kas remembers that very well having seen it from the pit wall while running for his life. Walther never made much of a name for himself beyond the crash, which was one of his three last place finishes out of six starts. -Ed- From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Dec 30 21:22:25 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 21:22:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs Message-ID: Does anyone happen to know where to get the aluminum plugs in the top of the head ? Thanks as always jim g From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Dec 30 12:06:45 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:06:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 to TR6 front suspension swap webpage In-Reply-To: <20121230134242.022C54040B@autox.team.net> References: <20121230134242.022C54040B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: By the way, if you find part of the narrative on the page confusing or have additional feedback, I'm certainly open to constructive criticism. I'd like the page to be a reference source for this swap, and any additional info / better descriptions of what I've done can only help. Cheers, Tony At 03:40 PM 12/29/2012, Tony Drews wrote: >I finally put together the web page outlining what's necessary to >swap the TR-3/4 front suspension for the later TR-6 setup. > >The page is here: >http://www.tonydrews.com/Front_Suspension/tr4_front_suspension_upgrade.htm > >Cheers, >Tony Drews >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon Dec 31 08:58:53 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:58:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Indy driver passes away In-Reply-To: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am in the scene of the Walther crash at Indy. I was right at the pit wall waiting for David Hobbs in our Gurney Eagle to come by. Later a photographer sent me five photos taken in about three seconds showing the full scene of this terrible event. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 17:19:55 -0800 > From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Indy driver passes away > > I posted this the other day, but for some reason it didn't get posted to the > list. Lets try again. > -Ed- > > --- On Fri, 12/28/12, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > > > From: EDWARD BARNARD > Subject: Indy driver passes away > To: "FOT" > Date: Friday, December 28, 2012, 11:26 PM > > > > > > > > For those who follow such happenings, Salt Walther passed away today. He is > best known for the terrible crash he was involved in at the start of the '73 > 500. Kas remembers that very well having seen it from the pit wall while > running for his life. Walther never made much of a name for himself beyond the > crash, which was one of his three last place finishes out of six starts. > -Ed- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Dec 31 09:16:54 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:16:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs References: <20121231043545.3E036425AE@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <3FDA0009EED94B51A4A5159C673F8A22@hpd530> Hi all, Happy New Year. I'm not sure about the TR4 head, but on my 6 where the heater hose pipe comes out the top of the head near the rear, I tapped it to 3/8 pipe and installed a reducer bushing and a petcock for bleeding out air from the system. If you just want a plug, various places sell Allen head pipe plugs in aluminum. Try Jegs or Pegasus. British pipe threads are vary close to NPT sizes and can be tapped to NPT sizes easily. I have a bunch of taps cluttering up my garage! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gray" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 11:22 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs > Does anyone happen to know where to get the aluminum plugs in the top of > the > head ? > > Thanks as always > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Dec 31 09:27:57 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs In-Reply-To: <3FDA0009EED94B51A4A5159C673F8A22@hpd530> Message-ID: <548792232.1463252.1356971277373.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I think I'll go with the flow so to speak and do the pipe plugs. Thanks for all the input. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Jim Gray" , "FOT" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 9:16:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs Hi all, Happy New Year. I'm not sure about the TR4 head, but on my 6 where the heater hose pipe comes out the top of the head near the rear, I tapped it to 3/8 pipe and installed a reducer bushing and a petcock for bleeding out air from the system. If you just want a plug, various places sell Allen head pipe plugs in aluminum. Try Jegs or Pegasus. British pipe threads are vary close to NPT sizes and can be tapped to NPT sizes easily. I have a bunch of taps cluttering up my garage! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gray" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 11:22 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs > Does anyone happen to know where to get the aluminum plugs in the top of > the > head ? > > Thanks as always > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Dec 31 09:34:49 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 08:34:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs References: <548792232.1463252.1356971277373.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <7CF251AC506542B48E647422DBB2B5B5@Charly> It seems to me that the heater tapping at the back of the head should be used for added water circulation. At least that's what I do on my TR6 and I see most of the TR4's and TR3's also use it for that. Just saying! Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Bill Tobin" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs >I think I'll go with the flow so to speak and do the pipe plugs. Thanks for >all the input. > > jim g > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bill Tobin" > To: "Jim Gray" , "FOT" > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 9:16:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs > > Hi all, Happy New Year. > I'm not sure about the TR4 head, but on my 6 where the heater hose pipe > comes out the top of the head near the rear, I tapped it to 3/8 pipe and > installed a reducer bushing and a petcock for bleeding out air from the > system. If you just want a plug, various places sell Allen head pipe plugs > in aluminum. Try Jegs or Pegasus. > British pipe threads are vary close to NPT sizes and can be tapped to NPT > sizes easily. I have a bunch of taps cluttering up my garage! > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Gray" > To: "'FOT'" > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 11:22 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs > > >> Does anyone happen to know where to get the aluminum plugs in the top of >> the >> head ? >> >> Thanks as always >> >> jim g >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Dec 31 11:41:52 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:41:52 +0100 Subject: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! In-Reply-To: References: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01cde786$8b594610$a20bd230$@com> Seems I'm the first :-) From budscars at comcast.net Mon Dec 31 11:51:43 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:51:43 -0800 Subject: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! References: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001b01cde786$8b594610$a20bd230$@com> Message-ID: <7290E6ED9DDD4522B9E3B5B86144E4E1@Bud> Thanks Chris et al...HAPPY NEW YEAR!.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'fot'" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:41 AM Subject: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! > Seems I'm the first :-) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Dec 31 11:58:05 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 13:58:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! In-Reply-To: <001b01cde786$8b594610$a20bd230$@com> References: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001b01cde786$8b594610$a20bd230$@com> Message-ID: You only have about 4 hrs. Of 12 left. Here on the east coast of USA we've got 10 & the poor guys on the west got to wait 13 before they can pop the cork on a bottle of bubblely! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2012, at 1:41 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > Seems I'm the first :-) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From budscars at comcast.net Mon Dec 31 12:09:47 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:09:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! References: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><001b01cde786$8b594610$a20bd230$@com> Message-ID: The 2013 season is almost here,,,Sparks me up Wonderfuly! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" To: "MadMarx" Cc: "fot" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! > You only have about 4 hrs. Of 12 left. Here on the east coast of USA we've > got > 10 & the poor guys on the west got to wait 13 before they can pop the cork > on > a bottle of bubblely! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 31, 2012, at 1:41 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > >> Seems I'm the first :-) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Dec 31 13:53:36 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 21:53:36 +0100 Subject: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! In-Reply-To: <7290E6ED9DDD4522B9E3B5B86144E4E1@Bud> References: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001b01cde786$8b594610$a20bd230$@com> <7290E6ED9DDD4522B9E3B5B86144E4E1@Bud> Message-ID: <002201cde798$e823fbd0$b86bf370$@com> I've made a noisy song to welcome 2013....have fun with it....6H of work. https://soundcloud.com/darkstar679/first-01-mp3 Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Gesendet: Montag, 31. Dezember 2012 19:52 An: MadMarx; 'fot' Betreff: Re: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! Thanks Chris et al...HAPPY NEW YEAR!.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'fot'" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:41 AM Subject: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! > Seems I'm the first :-) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Dec 31 13:59:32 2012 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:59:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Best wishes Message-ID: <9e5c.30bf6d74.3e1356b4@aol.com> Amigos, I wish all my friends the best for the new year. We've been fragmented and blown about lately but I still think of you all and hope for the best! Let's Go 2013!!!! Steve and Pat From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Dec 30 21:41:33 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:41:33 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs In-Reply-To: <20121231043533.5FB4540EBE@autox.team.net> Message-ID: > Does anyone happen to know where to get the aluminum plugs in > the top of the head ? TRF seems to have them listed (PS1603/1); but I think most people just tap the hole for a common pipe plug instead. -- Randall From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Dec 2 11:59:07 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 13:59:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BFE Message-ID: The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 next Sunday. From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Dec 2 13:55:47 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:55:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] BFE Message-ID: <2ed8.f5f96d3.3ded1a53@aol.com> In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, trmarty at hotmail.com writes: > The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 > next > Sunday. > He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. Bill (Damdinger) From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Sun Dec 2 15:44:13 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 17:44:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BFE References: <2ed8.f5f96d3.3ded1a53@aol.com> Message-ID: <22CA7C1C5CA8406DBD09C304342D3AD5@hpd530> I got stuff in my refrigerator that old! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE > In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, > trmarty at hotmail.com writes: > > >> The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 >> next >> Sunday. >> > > He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Sun Dec 2 15:56:20 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:56:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BFE In-Reply-To: <22CA7C1C5CA8406DBD09C304342D3AD5@hpd530> References: <2ed8.f5f96d3.3ded1a53@aol.com> <22CA7C1C5CA8406DBD09C304342D3AD5@hpd530> Message-ID: <470DB8A1-F3FE-467E-A13A-5A14D867AAF5@gdhs.com> Careful you guys, I'm only 3 years behind him! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2012, at 5:44 PM, "Bill Tobin" wrote: > I got stuff in my refrigerator that old! > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: ; > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE > > >> In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, >> trmarty at hotmail.com writes: >> >> >>> The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 >>> next >>> Sunday. >> >> He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. >> >> Bill (Damdinger) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Dec 2 15:58:21 2012 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:58:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] BFE Message-ID: <13a6.41010ccc.3ded370d@aol.com> Regardless, I wish Ken the best wishes and many happy returns. I need to call him, he's a good guy!!! In a message dated 12/2/2012 2:57:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: Careful you guys, I'm only 3 years behind him! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2012, at 5:44 PM, "Bill Tobin" wrote: > I got stuff in my refrigerator that old! > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: ; > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE > > >> In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, >> trmarty at hotmail.com writes: >> >> >>> The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 >>> next >>> Sunday. >> >> He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. >> >> Bill (Damdinger) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Dec 2 16:29:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 18:29:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] BFE In-Reply-To: <13a6.41010ccc.3ded370d@aol.com> References: <13a6.41010ccc.3ded370d@aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF9EFC103449AF-2010-445B2@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com> If the FOT had a "HALL OF FAME", Ken Gillanders would be on it. Best Wishes Ken Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Gt6steve To: jhhasty ; william.tobin31 Cc: fot Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:05 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE Regardless, I wish Ken the best wishes and many happy returns. I need to call him, he's a good guy!!! In a message dated 12/2/2012 2:57:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: Careful you guys, I'm only 3 years behind him! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2012, at 5:44 PM, "Bill Tobin" wrote: > I got stuff in my refrigerator that old! > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: ; > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE > > >> In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, >> trmarty at hotmail.com writes: >> >> >>> The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 >>> next >>> Sunday. >> >> He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. >> >> Bill (Damdinger) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun Dec 2 16:37:05 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 16:37:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] BFE In-Reply-To: <22CA7C1C5CA8406DBD09C304342D3AD5@hpd530> References: <2ed8.f5f96d3.3ded1a53@aol.com> <22CA7C1C5CA8406DBD09C304342D3AD5@hpd530> Message-ID: <50BBE621.5000203@gmail.com> On 12/2/12 3:44 PM, Bill Tobin wrote: > I got stuff in my refrigerator that old! EEEEEWWWW!!!!!! I could have done without that image. Maybe it is about time to replace that Frigidaire are with the round radiator on top. Get get something newer to start a new culture in. TeriAnn From mike.mehl at yahoo.com Sun Dec 2 17:03:18 2012 From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:03:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FOT for Bruce Lapierre Message-ID: <1354492998.37450.YahooMailNeo@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I would like to nominate Bruce Lapierre to FOT. Bruce is my father in law and the guy who got me racing Triumphs. The TR4 I have been racing the last 3 years was his car that was run in Solo. Bruce found the car in Chicago and had the car restored doing a great job researching the cars History learing it was raced from 1962 shortly after coming out of the dealership. Bruce is a British car guy with a TR2, Austin Healy and a MGTD. I know he would really enjoy being part of this group. Thanks - Mike Mehl #46 TR4 Vancouver Washington Bruce's email is fasttr4 at aol.com From jibjib at att.net Sun Dec 2 17:17:43 2012 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:17:43 -0800 Subject: [Fot] BFE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5C2A6561839A43089E0F5E01A8EB97AE@EntCentPC> It's Gillanders. Thanks for providing the date! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 10:59 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] BFE The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 next Sunday. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net From clw2000 at msn.com Sun Dec 2 17:18:02 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 19:18:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BFE In-Reply-To: <8CF9EFC103449AF-2010-445B2@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com> References: <13a6.41010ccc.3ded370d@aol.com> <8CF9EFC103449AF-2010-445B2@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: That's a pretty cool idea. Should there be one (hall of fame)? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2012, at 6:39 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > If the FOT had a "HALL OF FAME", Ken Gillanders would be on it. > > Best Wishes Ken > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gt6steve > To: jhhasty ; william.tobin31 > Cc: fot > Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:05 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE > > > Regardless, I wish Ken the best wishes and many happy returns. I need to > call him, he's a good guy!!! > > > In a message dated 12/2/2012 2:57:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: > > Careful you guys, I'm only 3 years behind him! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 2, 2012, at 5:44 PM, "Bill Tobin" > wrote: > >> I got stuff in my refrigerator that old! >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >> To: ; >> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 3:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE >> >> >>> In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, >>> trmarty at hotmail.com writes: >>> >>> >>>> The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 >>>> next >>>> Sunday. >>> >>> He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. >>> >>> Bill (Damdinger) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Dec 2 17:25:06 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 19:25:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FOT for Bruce Lapierre In-Reply-To: <1354492998.37450.YahooMailNeo@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1354492998.37450.YahooMailNeo@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Second for sure. If this is the Bruce and car I am thinking of, I have a video of it somewhere of it impressively blowing an engine at a track day at Nelsons Ledges back in the mid 1990's. Of coarse he might have to lose the MG. Marty ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:03:18 -0800 > From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FOT for Bruce Lapierre > > I would like to nominate Bruce Lapierre to FOT. Bruce is my father in law and > the guy who got me racing Triumphs. The TR4 I have been racing the last 3 > years was his car that was run in Solo. Bruce found the car in Chicago and > had the car restored doing a great job researching the cars History learing it > was raced from 1962 shortly after coming out of the dealership. Bruce is a > British car guy with a TR2, Austin Healy and a MGTD. I know he would really > enjoy being part of this group. > > Thanks - Mike Mehl #46 TR4 Vancouver > Washington > > Bruce's email is fasttr4 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Dec 2 17:36:58 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 19:36:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] BFE In-Reply-To: References: <13a6.41010ccc.3ded370d@aol.com> <8CF9EFC103449AF-2010-445B2@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF9F056FD69805-2010-448E3@webmail-m163.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Charles, If we had a HALL OF FAME we would have to have associated rules and a committee to administer. FOT = no rules, no dues, no meetings, no BOD, no backbiting, NO NEED. we know who we are....we are all IMPORTANT -----Original Message----- From: Charles WATSON To: Joe Alexander Cc: Gt6steve ; jhhasty ; william.tobin31 ; fot Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 6:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE That's a pretty cool idea. Should there be one (hall of fame)? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2012, at 6:39 PM, "Joe Alexander" wrote: > If the FOT had a "HALL OF FAME", Ken Gillanders would be on it. > > Best Wishes Ken > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gt6steve > To: jhhasty ; william.tobin31 > Cc: fot > Sent: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 5:05 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE > > > Regardless, I wish Ken the best wishes and many happy returns. I need to > call him, he's a good guy!!! > > > In a message dated 12/2/2012 2:57:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: > > Careful you guys, I'm only 3 years behind him! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 2, 2012, at 5:44 PM, "Bill Tobin" > wrote: > >> I got stuff in my refrigerator that old! >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >> To: ; >> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 3:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE >> >> >>> In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, >>> trmarty at hotmail.com writes: >>> >>> >>>> The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 >>>> next >>>> Sunday. >>> >>> He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. >>> >>> Bill (Damdinger) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Dec 2 19:38:05 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 20:38:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FOT for Bruce Lapierre Message-ID: <16247.1354502285@mitchelplumbing.com> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Second! On Sun 02/12/12 4:03 PM , Mike Mehl mike.mehl at yahoo.com sent: I would like to nominate Bruce Lapierre to FOT. Bruce is my father in law and the guy who got me racing Triumphs. The TR4 I have been racing the last 3 years was his car that was run in Solo. Bruce found the car in Chicago and had the car restored doing a great job researching the cars History learing it was raced from 1962 shortly after coming out of the dealership. Bruce is a British car guy with a TR2, Austin Healy and a MGTD. I know he would really enjoy being part of this group. Thanks - Mike Mehl #46 TR4 Vancouver Washington Bruce's email is _______________________________________________ http://www.fot-racing.com [3] Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html [4] Archive: http://www.team.net/archive [5] Forums: http://www.team.net/forums [6] Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ [7] Links: ------ [3] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fot-racing .com [4] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fdonate.html [5] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Farchive [6] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2 Fforums [7] http://webmail.qwestoffice.net/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net %2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ffot%2Fcharly%40mitchelplumbing.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Dec 2 22:50:25 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 22:50:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 port sections and castings Message-ID: I've posted some new photo's of tr4 port sections and silicone castings of the ports and intake manifold. Tha castings really give a different perpective of the ports. http://s698.beta.photobucket.com/user/TR4jim/library/#/user/TR4jim/library/C ylinder%20head? &_suid=135451343610906970282830168559 jim g From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sun Dec 2 23:03:57 2012 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 06:03:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] BFE In-Reply-To: <2ed8.f5f96d3.3ded1a53@aol.com> References: <2ed8.f5f96d3.3ded1a53@aol.com> Message-ID: > He's just a kid. I've got underwear that old. > Whoooooofffff! that explains it! ;O) Anyhoo happy B-day Ken, you helped make Greenman one hell of a hot street TR! Greg Petrolati Lafayette, Oregon That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: BillDentin at aol.com > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:55:47 -0500 > To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] BFE > > In a message dated 12/02/2012 12:59:22 PM Central Standard Time, > trmarty at hotmail.com writes: > > > > The infamous Ken Gilander, hope I spelled that correctly is turning 80 > > next > > Sunday. > > > Bill (Damdinger) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/greenman62 at hotmail.com From haretoday at comcast.net Mon Dec 3 01:55:46 2012 From: haretoday at comcast.net (haretoday at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 08:55:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FOT for Bruce Lapierre In-Reply-To: <1354492998.37450.YahooMailNeo@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1907539892.784788.1354524946786.JavaMail.root@sz0138a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I will second the nomination for Bruce. A great guy, knowledgeable and provided some much needed assistance to me this last summer in Portland. A definite asset to our group. Thanks for your consideration of Bruce... Cheers, Steve Hare No. 85 and 72 Spitfires with SOVREN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Mehl" To: "Triumph Friends of" Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 4:03:18 PM Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FOT for Bruce Lapierre I would like to nominate Bruce Lapierre to FOT. Bruce is my father in law and the guy who got me racing Triumphs. The TR4 I have been racing the last 3 years was his car that was run in Solo. Bruce found the car in Chicago and had the car restored doing a great job researching the cars History learing it was raced from 1962 shortly after coming out of the dealership. Bruce is a British car guy with a TR2, Austin Healy and a MGTD. I know he would really enjoy being part of this group. Thanks - Mike Mehl #46 TR4 Vancouver Washington Bruce's email is fasttr4 at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/haretoday at comcast.net From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Dec 3 07:47:31 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 09:47:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination to FOT for Bruce Lapierre Message-ID: In a message dated 12/03/2012 2:55:54 AM Central Standard Time, haretoday at comcast.net writes: > I will second the nomination for Bruce. A great guy, knowledgeable and > provided some much needed assistance to me this last summer in Portland. > A definite asset to our group. > Absolutely. A good idea. And like the nominator said, "He's the Father-in-law". The TRIUMPH connection notwithstanding...Bruce can probably get him 'cut off' with the snap of his fingers. You've got to protect your interests. I second the nomination too. Bill (Damdinger) From mmoore at wave1.net Mon Dec 3 12:40:45 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 14:40:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer Message-ID: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> My car came with stock tachometer in the dash and an auxiliary one mounted to steering column. I would like to remove auxiliary mounted on column, and replace the stock one in the dash with a good one that will be accurate. Any recommendations on brand, type, etc? Thanks Mike 62 TR4 Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Dec 3 12:42:33 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 12:42:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer In-Reply-To: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> Message-ID: Auto meter has served me well. Jim g Sent from my iPhone On Dec 3, 2012, at 12:40 PM, "Mike Moore" wrote: > My car came with stock tachometer in the dash and an auxiliary one mounted > to steering column. I would like to remove auxiliary mounted on column, and > replace the stock one in the dash with a good one that will be accurate. > > > > Any recommendations on brand, type, etc? > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > 62 TR4 > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From rfdeanes at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 13:51:27 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 15:51:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer In-Reply-To: References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> Message-ID: Auto meter...can't go wrong 0-8000 with shift light that can be mounted to a place of your choice. Has adjustable needle for max rpm or shifting, easy to install. less than 200.00 as I recall (139.00) On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:42 PM, James Gray wrote: > Auto meter has served me well. > Jim g > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 3, 2012, at 12:40 PM, "Mike Moore" wrote: > > > My car came with stock tachometer in the dash and an auxiliary one > mounted > > to steering column. I would like to remove auxiliary mounted on column, > and > > replace the stock one in the dash with a good one that will be accurate. > > > > > > > > Any recommendations on brand, type, etc? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike > > > > 62 TR4 > > > > > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Mon Dec 3 14:19:36 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 16:19:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer In-Reply-To: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> Message-ID: <006201cdd19b$e6494530$b2dbcf90$@rr.com> I have used an Autometer which has been trouble free for the past 24 years. Anything that lasts that long anymore gets my vote. I have used them in 2 other race cars I have worked on and also used their gauges in a modified vintage Mustang project of my own, adapting them into the original dash panel. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Moore Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 2:41 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer My car came with stock tachometer in the dash and an auxiliary one mounted to steering column. I would like to remove auxiliary mounted on column, and replace the stock one in the dash with a good one that will be accurate. Any recommendations on brand, type, etc? Thanks Mike 62 TR4 Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_6015.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_6012.JPG] From rfdeanes at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 15:11:41 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 17:11:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer In-Reply-To: <006201cdd19b$e6494530$b2dbcf90$@rr.com> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <006201cdd19b$e6494530$b2dbcf90$@rr.com> Message-ID: Ebay has the model 3980 for 139.96 without the light which can be added (20.00) but look at the big three distributors, Summitt, Jegs and Speedway and with a little searching you should be able to find it with the remote light.....might try Discovery Parts or Racers Wholesale. If I can find my reciept I will email it to you. On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Spitfire Racing < Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com> wrote: > I have used an Autometer which has been trouble free for the past 24 years. > Anything that lasts that long anymore gets my vote. I have used them in 2 > other race cars I have worked on and also used their gauges in a modified > vintage Mustang project of my own, adapting them into the original dash > panel. > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Mike Moore > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 2:41 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer > > My car came with stock tachometer in the dash and an auxiliary one mounted > to steering column. I would like to remove auxiliary mounted on column, and > replace the stock one in the dash with a good one that will be accurate. > > > > Any recommendations on brand, type, etc? > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > 62 TR4 > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > IMG_6015.JPG] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > IMG_6012.JPG] > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Mon Dec 3 16:27:23 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 16:27:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! Message-ID: I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Dec 3 16:31:30 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 18:31:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> 2ND......we have high potential for a gaggle of GT6s at KCUP if we can get them to Road America in September. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tylerpthompson To: fot Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 5:28 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 3 16:36:18 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 16:36:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50BD3772.4010704@bradakis.com> Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote: > Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his > wife once owned a TR7. > > We won't hold that against him. He's in. mjb. From triosan at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 16:46:06 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 15:46:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer In-Reply-To: References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <006201cdd19b$e6494530$b2dbcf90$@rr.com> Message-ID: Guys - For us FOTers you cannot beat the deal you will get from fellow memeber Craig at Diesel Performance Parts. Below is part of an email he sent out last year. "Just depends on the "style" of gauge you select. Go to Autometer.com and see which "look" you want. Let me know and I'll get you a price. Send it to info at dieselperformanceparts.com Triumph racers discount always applies. Ask Brad or Susan they'll tell you. Mark Craig Diesel Performance Parts, INC. 411 Allied Drive Nashville, TN 37211 866-455-7788 Phone 615-834-9923 Fax On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Robert Deanes wrote: > Ebay has the model 3980 for 139.96 without the light which can be added > (20.00) but look at the big three distributors, Summitt, Jegs and Speedway > and with a little searching you should be able to find it with the remote > light.....might try Discovery Parts or Racers Wholesale. If I can find my > reciept I will email it to you. > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Spitfire Racing < > Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com> wrote: > > > I have used an Autometer which has been trouble free for the past 24 > years. > > Anything that lasts that long anymore gets my vote. I have used them in 2 > > other race cars I have worked on and also used their gauges in a modified > > vintage Mustang project of my own, adapting them into the original dash > > panel. > > > > Russ Moore > > Spitfire #49 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of Mike Moore > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 2:41 PM > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer > > > > My car came with stock tachometer in the dash and an auxiliary one > mounted > > to steering column. I would like to remove auxiliary mounted on column, > and > > replace the stock one in the dash with a good one that will be accurate. > > > > > > > > Any recommendations on brand, type, etc? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Mike > > > > 62 TR4 > > > > > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name > of > > IMG_6015.JPG] > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name > of > > IMG_6012.JPG] > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > -- > rob deanes > TR Racer > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From vangoughv at hotmail.com Mon Dec 3 17:05:20 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 19:05:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes another GT6! Awesome Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-03, at 6:27 PM, "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" wrote: > I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this > nomination for a new GT6 racer. > > Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his > wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of > this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's > RMVR events. > > I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what > is detailed in Kas' last book. > > Ty > > '63 Triumph TR4 #413 > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Dec 3 17:20:05 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 19:20:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer In-Reply-To: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> Message-ID: <50BD41B5.1090603@blacksburg.net> On 12/3/2012 2:40 PM, Mike Moore wrote: > My car came with stock tachometer in the dash and an auxiliary one mounted > to steering column. I would like to remove auxiliary mounted on column, and > replace the stock one in the dash with a good one that will be accurate. > > > > Any recommendations on brand, type, etc? > Mike, I sent my stock TR4 tach to MoMa for her to convert to electronic. I specified that I wanted accuracy of +/-2% from 4 - 6K, which she pretty much achieved. I also mounted the tach on the right side of the steering column, so a quick scan of the panel also includes the tach. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Dec 3 17:29:38 2012 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 19:29:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: A Gaggle, that must be an Iowa term! JVV -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:31 PM To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: jeffwhall at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! 2ND......we have high potential for a gaggle of GT6s at KCUP if we can get them to Road America in September. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tylerpthompson To: fot Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 5:28 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Dec 3 17:40:18 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 19:40:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CF9FCF117355AE-CB8-493C2@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> The image is a 'flock of geese not in flight'. In this case, several GT6s, gathered in the Road America paddock. Perhaps we will have a gaggle of Spitfires, too.......btw, there is a Spitfire available for sale, if anyone is interested. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Van Vlack To: Tylerpthompson ; fot ; Joe Alexander Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 6:29 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! A Gaggle, that must be an Iowa term! JVV -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:31 PM To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: jeffwhall at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! 2ND......we have high potential for a gaggle of GT6s at KCUP if we can get them to Road America in September. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tylerpthompson To: fot Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 5:28 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Dec 3 17:49:57 2012 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 19:49:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <8CF9FCF117355AE-CB8-493C2@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <8CF9FCF117355AE-CB8-493C2@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <41B8AEC756474F2F9904A53AC4C91C78@UserTHINK> I can remember the Group 44 GT6 at Mid-Ohio in the late 60bs and there is not a sweeter sound than one of those at full song. Bring lots of them to RA next year, we need that Gaggle. JVV From: Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 7:40 PM To: jerryvv at roadrunner.com ; Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: jeffwhall at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! The image is a 'flock of geese not in flight'. In this case, several GT6s, gathered in the Road America paddock. Perhaps we will have a gaggle of Spitfires, too.......btw, there is a Spitfire available for sale, if anyone is interested. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Van Vlack To: Tylerpthompson ; fot ; Joe Alexander Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 6:29 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! A Gaggle, that must be an Iowa term! JVV -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:31 PM To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: jeffwhall at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! 2ND......we have high potential for a gaggle of GT6s at KCUP if we can get them to Road America in September. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tylerpthompson To: fot Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 5:28 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From info at dieselperformanceparts.com Tue Dec 4 06:19:06 2012 From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 07:19:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Auto Meter Gauges Message-ID: Membership, As a way to repay the FOT site for all the good stuff it has done for me over the years I can thru my company provide excellent membership discounts on the following brands: Auto Meter Carrillo Mahle Clevite Engine parts ARP fasteners Hawk Brake Pads Total Seal Piston Rings The above brands apply to our Triumphs, but check our web site at www.dieselperformanceparts.com too as we have literally tons of other brands that might apply to your Triumph and or diesel or gas powered tow vehicles too. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 7:30 PM To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net; Joe Alexander Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! A Gaggle, that must be an Iowa term! JVV -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:31 PM To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: jeffwhall at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! 2ND......we have high potential for a gaggle of GT6s at KCUP if we can get them to Road America in September. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tylerpthompson To: fot Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 5:28 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Dec 4 08:07:17 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 10:07:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! Message-ID: <1e5c6.18f3f84c.3def6ba4@aol.com> In a message dated 12/04/2012 8:55:34 AM Central Standard Time, jhhasty at gdhs.com writes: > A Gaggle, that must be an Iowa term! > That won't work for GT6s. My dictionary says that a gaggle is, "a flock of geese, when not flying." TRIUMPH GT6s are always flying. Bill (Damdinger) From igofaster at att.net Tue Dec 4 22:09:32 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 21:09:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1354684172.17827.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'm still here! 2nd or 3rd to the Jeff and his desire to race a GT6...... sidebar, I believe my new engine is in the launch mode this month.... Bobby ________________________________ From: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" To: "fot at autox.team.net" Cc: jeffwhall at aol.com Sent: Mon, December 3, 2012 5:27:52 PM Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From igofaster at att.net Tue Dec 4 22:11:07 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 21:11:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> before there was google there was gaggle.... 'old skool rules..... BGW ________________________________ From: Jerry Van Vlack To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com; fot at autox.team.net; Joe Alexander Sent: Mon, December 3, 2012 6:29:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! A Gaggle, that must be an Iowa term! JVV -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:31 PM To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: jeffwhall at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! 2ND......we have high potential for a gaggle of GT6s at KCUP if we can get them to Road America in September. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tylerpthompson To: fot Cc: jeffwhall Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2012 5:28 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I know that Bobby and Jason could use some company. Please second this nomination for a new GT6 racer. Jeff caught the bug from helping Tech at RMVR events this year. He and his wife once owned a TR7. He bought a GT6 from Bill Fleming the beginning of this year and has been working on it to make it track ready for next year's RMVR events. I know there is a lot of talent on FOT that will benefit Jeff as well as what is detailed in Kas' last book. Ty '63 Triumph TR4 #413 Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerryvv at roadrunner.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From mark at bradakis.com Tue Dec 4 22:20:14 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2012 22:20:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50BED98E.60503@bradakis.com> Bobby Whitehead wrote: > before there was google there was gaggle.... 'old skool rules..... > Zero Mostel - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum How many geese in a gaggle? mjb. From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 5 05:41:37 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 07:41:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <50BED98E.60503@bradakis.com> References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50BED98E.60503@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CFA0FCFFEBC7A3-978-A734@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> Federal guidelines in Civil Rights legislation for a "Riot" was "three or more"....... I suppose that the same would be for geese.... or GT6s therefore, we expect a riot at Road America Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: FoT Triumph Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:19 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! Bobby Whitehead wrote: > before there was google there was gaggle.... 'old skool rules..... > Zero Mostel - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum How many geese in a gaggle? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Dec 5 06:56:52 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 07:56:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <1354684172.17827.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1354684172.17827.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: For some reason, the picture that comes to mind is Bobby's engine sitting in the sling of a giant trebuchet, waiting to be launched over the horizon into the deep sea. Duncan On Dec 4, 2012, at 11:09 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > sidebar, I believe my new engine is in the launch mode this month.... > > > Bobby From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Dec 5 07:02:36 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 06:02:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Band of Brothers Day Message-ID: <1354716156.77565.YahooMailClassic@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I am proud to call you Brother. You may have served in Combat or in non-combat. You may have retired out or you may have served for a short time, You may have been a draftee or a volunteer. You may have served in the Corps, Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard or the Merchant Marines, BUT YOU SERVED. YOU DID YOUR JOB HONORABLY and for that I am PROUD to call you Brother. You may have served during Korea, WWII, Vietnam, Persian Gulf, Iraq or Afghanistan, But you served, you did not run. You have a DD 214 with those words "HONORABLY DISCHARGED" two of the most noble words in the world. Again I am proud to know each and every one of you. *Today is Band of Brothers' Day; Send this to all your brothers, fathers, sons and fellow veterans you know. Happy Brothers' Day! To the cool men that have touched my life: Here's to you!! I was never a hero, but I am thankful and proud to have served among them. A real Brother walks with you when the rest of the world walks on you. Send to all your Band of Brothers, because the fake ones won't. __._,_.___ Bill (Chief) Deal "Post 655, where heroes gather". From igofaster at att.net Wed Dec 5 10:29:17 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 09:29:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <8CFA0FCFFEBC7A3-978-A734@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50BED98E.60503@bradakis.com> <8CFA0FCFFEBC7A3-978-A734@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1354728557.30604.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> i dunno......unless there is a free beer line.... Bobby ________________________________ From: Joe Alexander To: mark at bradakis.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 6:42:00 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! Federal guidelines in Civil Rights legislation for a "Riot" was "three or more"....... I suppose that the same would be for geese.... or GT6s therefore, we expect a riot at Road America Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: FoT Triumph Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:19 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! Bobby Whitehead wrote: > before there was google there was gaggle.... 'old skool rules..... > Zero Mostel - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum How many geese in a gaggle? mjb. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Dec 5 10:34:48 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 12:34:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <1354728557.30604.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50BED98E.60503@bradakis.com> <8CFA0FCFFEBC7A3-978-A734@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> <1354728557.30604.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I wish I could participate in the GT6 "riot" perhaps in a year or two. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-05, at 12:29 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > i dunno......unless there is a free beer line.... Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Joe Alexander > To: mark at bradakis.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 6:42:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! > > Federal guidelines in Civil Rights legislation for a "Riot" was "three or > more"....... > > I suppose that the same would be for geese.... > > or GT6s > > therefore, we expect a riot at Road America > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark J Bradakis > To: FoT Triumph > Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:19 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! > > > Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> before there was google there was gaggle.... 'old skool rules..... > Zero Mostel - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum > > How many geese in a gaggle? > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From igofaster at att.net Wed Dec 5 10:37:12 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 09:37:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: <1354684172.17827.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1354729032.54597.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> the one I blew up in Atlanta would make a nice kerplush.... that's the sound it would make as it lands in the deep sea.... I guess I'll keep it for memories.... I've shed all the tears I can over that , and at this time, I must with all sincerity thank the F.o.T. contingent, especially Henry, for keeping me grounded in the 'big picture'....it's amazing.. we run one weekend together (okay that's optimistic) ((I'm a rose colored glasses, the glass is half full guy)) and we are friends for life... isn't THAT the essence of our brother and sisterhood with F.o.T. and vintage racing? God bless all my bro's and lady friends on F.o.T..... it's not about common sense, it's about the emotion... and emotion over-rules common sense in my book.... Peace be with you and yours.... Bobby Whitehead and Family.... ________________________________ From: Duncan Charlton To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 7:57:08 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! For some reason, the picture that comes to mind is Bobby's engine sitting in the sling of a giant trebuchet, waiting to be launched over the horizon into the deep sea. Duncan On Dec 4, 2012, at 11:09 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > sidebar, I believe my new engine is in the launch mode this month.... > > > Bobby From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 5 10:58:59 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 12:58:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com> <1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50BED98E.60503@bradakis.com> <8CFA0FCFFEBC7A3-978-A734@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> <1354728557.30604.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFA12955FC7F25-978-D8F1@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> Can you attend? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Vince G To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: Joe Alexander ; FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:55 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I wish I could participate in the GT6 "riot" perhaps in a year or two. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-05, at 12:29 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > i dunno......unless there is a free beer line.... Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Joe Alexander > To: mark at bradakis.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 6:42:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! > > Federal guidelines in Civil Rights legislation for a "Riot" was "three or > more"....... > > I suppose that the same would be for geese.... > > or GT6s > > therefore, we expect a riot at Road America > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark J Bradakis > To: FoT Triumph > Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:19 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! > > > Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> before there was google there was gaggle.... 'old skool rules..... > Zero Mostel - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum > > How many geese in a gaggle? > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Dec 5 11:18:01 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 13:18:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! In-Reply-To: <8CFA12955FC7F25-978-D8F1@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF9FC574E25B5F-CB8-48E0D@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com><1354684267.73728.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><50BED98E.60503@bradakis.com><8CFA0FCFFEBC7A3-978-A734@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com><1354728557.30604.YahooMailRC@web182205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <8CFA12955FC7F25-978-D8F1@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Good Grief you guys. A gaggle is at least 5 geese unless, of course, they are flying then they are a Skein and can include any number of 5 or more. PS: Bobby, there's a free beer line at the VDCA event in Savannah this weekend.... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:59 PM To: vangoughv at hotmail.com; igofaster at att.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! Can you attend? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Vince G To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: Joe Alexander ; FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 11:55 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! I wish I could participate in the GT6 "riot" perhaps in a year or two. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-05, at 12:29 PM, "Bobby Whitehead" wrote: > i dunno......unless there is a free beer line.... Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Joe Alexander > To: mark at bradakis.com; fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 6:42:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! > > Federal guidelines in Civil Rights legislation for a "Riot" was "three > or more"....... > > I suppose that the same would be for geese.... > > or GT6s > > therefore, we expect a riot at Road America > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark J Bradakis > To: FoT Triumph > Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 11:19 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for a New GT6 Racer! > > > Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> before there was google there was gaggle.... 'old skool rules..... > Zero Mostel - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum > > How many geese in a gaggle? > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jeffwhall at aol.com Wed Dec 5 13:54:27 2012 From: jeffwhall at aol.com (jeffwhall at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 15:54:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Thank you Message-ID: <8CFA141D94D82A8-1B88-CA55@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Hello everyone, Thank you for welcoming me into your fold of GT6 racers. Officially, I am not a licensed racer yet as the car is still in the troughs of being built and assembled. My goal is to have it completed by April so I can drive it at the competiotion driving school sponsored by RMVR at Pikes Peak International Raceway. I am intreguied by the gathering of GT6 racers for a race weekend. Can someone provide me more info on that event? I am looking forward to corresponding with each of you and to learn about these great cars. Jeff Hall From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 5 14:21:38 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 16:21:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Thank you .....Now ROAD AMERICA'S KASTNER CUP. In-Reply-To: <8CFA141D94D82A8-1B88-CA55@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFA141D94D82A8-1B88-CA55@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFA145A528000E-978-EEAF@webmail-d173.sysops.aol.com> Jeff, The 'gathering' we are talking about is THE KASTNER CUP-THE 11TH RUNNING of this event. We are hoping that you RMVR guys will attend, regardless of their ability to bring cars. This will be VSCDA's ELKHART LAKE VINTAGE FESTIVAL 5-8 September, 2013. It will have entries from all over North America. It appears we will have 6-8 guests from Europe at this point. We will have SCCA champions and ex-factory drivers, etc as special guests. TRIUMPH is the featured MARQUE and KAS KASTNER is the GRAND MARSHAL. The Osthoff is our HOST HOTEL with generous discounting. 1-2-3 Bedroom Suites are available and are very cost effective when shared by friends and couples. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: jeffwhall To: fot Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 2:56 pm Subject: [Fot] Thank you Hello everyone, Thank you for welcoming me into your fold of GT6 racers. Officially, I am not a licensed racer yet as the car is still in the troughs of being built and assembled. My goal is to have it completed by April so I can drive it at the competiotion driving school sponsored by RMVR at Pikes Peak International Raceway. I am intreguied by the gathering of GT6 racers for a race weekend. Can someone provide me more info on that event? I am looking forward to corresponding with each of you and to learn about these great cars. Jeff Hall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed Dec 5 18:13:38 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:13:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Tachometer In-Reply-To: <8CFA0A5C79D9874-1FD0-7926@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <50BD41B5.1090603@blacksburg.net> <8CFA0A5C79D9874-1FD0-7926@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50BFF142.5030400@blacksburg.net> On 12/4/2012 9:17 PM, robertten1 at aol.com wrote: > Jim, > I'm curious ... did she reuse the factory dial face and pointer ? I > was told by Nissonger that they would not be able to reuse my tachs > needle during the conversion process. > Cheers, > Bob T Hey Bob, Yes, she did use the same face, needle and case. You can't tell that it's been converted (until you look in the engine bay and see no tach cable :-) ) Another feature I really like is that it seems (seat of pants observation, not empirical) to track RPMs more closely. She said that her tech guy removed some of the material off the back of the needle for improved response. I've seen some tachs seem to be still spinning up as the engine spins down. Hmmm. NFI, etc. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From igofaster at att.net Wed Dec 5 18:45:52 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 17:45:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Thank you In-Reply-To: <8CFA141D94D82A8-1B88-CA55@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFA141D94D82A8-1B88-CA55@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1354758352.10804.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> if two GT6's show up in a Walmart parking lot, that is an event... if two or three show up to a race weekend, that is stellar .... either way, long over looked beauty of the Triumph Marque . Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: "jeffwhall at aol.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 2:56:42 PM Subject: [Fot] Thank you Hello everyone, Thank you for welcoming me into your fold of GT6 racers. Officially, I am not a licensed racer yet as the car is still in the troughs of being built and assembled. My goal is to have it completed by April so I can drive it at the competiotion driving school sponsored by RMVR at Pikes Peak International Raceway. I am intreguied by the gathering of GT6 racers for a race weekend. Can someone provide me more info on that event? I am looking forward to corresponding with each of you and to learn about these great cars. Jeff Hall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 5 19:03:56 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 21:03:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Thank you KCUP 2013 In-Reply-To: <1354758352.10804.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <8CFA141D94D82A8-1B88-CA55@webmail-m154.sysops.aol.com> <1354758352.10804.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFA16D15521B2F-2600-10D1D@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> It would be good to promote GT6s and Spitfires to be at this event. I have invited the publisher and editor of SPITFIRE & GT6 magazine to join us. I fully expect one or both of them to join us. It wouldnt hurt to see some street machines there, too. Jason, Andre,....etc? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: jeffwhall Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:46 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Thank you if two GT6's show up in a Walmart parking lot, that is an event... if two or three show up to a race weekend, that is stellar .... either way, long over looked beauty of the Triumph Marque . Bobby Whitehead ________________________________ From: "jeffwhall at aol.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 2:56:42 PM Subject: [Fot] Thank you Hello everyone, Thank you for welcoming me into your fold of GT6 racers. Officially, I am not a licensed racer yet as the car is still in the troughs of being built and assembled. My goal is to have it completed by April so I can drive it at the competiotion driving school sponsored by RMVR at Pikes Peak International Raceway. I am intreguied by the gathering of GT6 racers for a race weekend. Can someone provide me more info on that event? I am looking forward to corresponding with each of you and to learn about these great cars. Jeff Hall _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From jkhagen at charter.net Wed Dec 5 20:05:51 2012 From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 22:05:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Thank you KCUP 2013 Message-ID: <7fa93096.21624b.13b6e2d26e2.Webtop.46@charter.net> Joe and "Friends"--Check out great article in DaecClassic Mororsports about VSCR's guru Pat Starr- 50 years with the same Morgan! Also some notes on the Mitty. John Hagen On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > It would be good to promote GT6s and Spitfires to be at this event. > > I have invited the publisher and editor of SPITFIRE & GT6 magazine to > join us. > I fully expect one or both of them to join us. It wouldnt hurt to see > some > street machines there, too. Jason, Andre,....etc? > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bobby Whitehead > To: jeffwhall > Cc: FoT Triumph > Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:46 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Thank you > > > if two GT6's show up in a Walmart parking lot, that is an event... if > two or > three show up to a race weekend, that is stellar .... either way, > long over > looked beauty of the Triumph Marque . > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "jeffwhall at aol.com" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 2:56:42 PM > Subject: [Fot] Thank you > > Hello everyone, > > Thank you for welcoming me into your fold of GT6 racers. Officially, I > am not > a licensed racer yet as the car is still in the troughs of being built > and > assembled. My goal is to have it completed by April so I can drive it > at the > competiotion driving school sponsored by RMVR at Pikes Peak > International > Raceway. > > I am intreguied by the gathering of GT6 racers for a race weekend. Can > someone > provide me more info on that event? > > I am looking forward to corresponding with each of you and to learn > about > these great cars. > > Jeff Hall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 5 20:12:57 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 22:12:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Thank you KCUP 2013 In-Reply-To: <7fa93096.21624b.13b6e2d26e2.Webtop.46@charter.net> References: <7fa93096.21624b.13b6e2d26e2.Webtop.46@charter.net> Message-ID: <8CFA176B9A1F21F-2600-112C7@webmail-d148.sysops.aol.com> Yes! And there is a side bar on John Hagen and a TR4. Good for CMS.....Giving our 'Friends' some positive credit. Thanks John....... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: jkhagen To: Joe Alexander Cc: igofaster ; jeffwhall ; fot Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 9:05 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Thank you KCUP 2013 Joe and "Friends"--Check out great article in DaecClassic Mororsports about VSCR's guru Pat Starr- 50 years with the same Morgan! Also some notes on the Mitty. John Hagen On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > It would be good to promote GT6s and Spitfires to be at this event. > > I have invited the publisher and editor of SPITFIRE & GT6 magazine to > join us. > I fully expect one or both of them to join us. It wouldnt hurt to see > some > street machines there, too. Jason, Andre,....etc? > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bobby Whitehead > To: jeffwhall > Cc: FoT Triumph > Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:46 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] Thank you > > > if two GT6's show up in a Walmart parking lot, that is an event... if > two or > three show up to a race weekend, that is stellar .... either way, > long over > looked beauty of the Triumph Marque . > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > > ________________________________ > From: "jeffwhall at aol.com" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 2:56:42 PM > Subject: [Fot] Thank you > > Hello everyone, > > Thank you for welcoming me into your fold of GT6 racers. Officially, I > am not > a licensed racer yet as the car is still in the troughs of being built > and > assembled. My goal is to have it completed by April so I can drive it > at the > competiotion driving school sponsored by RMVR at Pikes Peak > International > Raceway. > > I am intreguied by the gathering of GT6 racers for a race weekend. Can > someone > provide me more info on that event? > > I am looking forward to corresponding with each of you and to learn > about > these great cars. > > Jeff Hall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jkhagen at charter.net From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net Wed Dec 5 23:33:13 2012 From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 22:33:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts In-Reply-To: References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> Message-ID: <1354775593.46945.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Any thoughts on whether or not those aluminum cups on the rear diff mounts improve a car's performance? Any thoughts on how these cups compare to using urethane and is it feasible to run urethane for rear diff mounts and rubber for front diff mounts? Thanks, Jim From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Dec 6 04:24:49 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 06:24:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts In-Reply-To: <1354775593.46945.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <1354775593.46945.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFA1BB701DCCDA-D48-17B7@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> The Brits run rubber in combination with these 'Differential Stabilizers'. It supports the rubber further and ostensibly keeps the dif from moving around. I checked and verified with Jon Wood when Keith Files and he were my guests here in Jesup. He indicated that this was pretty much SOP in the UK for racing TR6s I have them on the shelf. TRF has them. They are getting popular with the street TR6s instead of the harsher urethane, which provides less noise and vibration isolation. And they should take some of the stress off of the mounts. I have no direct experience with them, myself, but ship them on a regular basis. BTW, Jon Wood, Simon Watson, and Keith Files will be our guests at KCUP 2013. They are great sources of information on what the Brits are doing in the UK. Jon is an ace wrench, Simon is parts manager for TR Enterprises, and Keith drives a very fast TR6 in the U.K. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: sherry robyn To: Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 12:34 am Subject: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts Any thoughts on whether or not those aluminum cups on the rear diff mounts improve a car's performance? Any thoughts on how these cups compare to using urethane and is it feasible to run urethane for rear diff mounts and rubber for front diff mounts? Thanks, Jim _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Dec 6 07:40:34 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 09:40:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts Message-ID: <55c1.7400f7f6.3df20862@aol.com> In a message dated 12/06/2012 5:29:26 AM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > BTW, Jon Wood, Simon Watson, and Keith Files will be our guests at KCUP > 2013. > They are great sources of information on what the Brits are doing in the > UK. > Jon is an ace wrench, Simon is parts manager for TR Enterprises, and Keith > drives a very fast TR6 in the U.K. > Not to mention, JON WOOD is one of the world's premier Party Blokes. Smiles abound, wherever he goes. Bill Dentinger From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Dec 6 09:08:24 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 11:08:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts In-Reply-To: <55c1.7400f7f6.3df20862@aol.com> References: <55c1.7400f7f6.3df20862@aol.com> Message-ID: Hmmm, reminds me of the 2002 FOT gathering. The Brits came by a certain camper and when it was offered that beer was available, but not refrigerated... it was determined that lack of refrigeration was no problem and all the beer was quickly consumed. Like two cases worth. Yee ha! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/06/2012 5:29:26 AM Central Standard Time, > n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > > >> BTW, Jon Wood, Simon Watson, and Keith Files will be our guests at KCUP >> 2013. >> They are great sources of information on what the Brits are doing in the >> UK. >> Jon is an ace wrench, Simon is parts manager for TR Enterprises, and Keith >> drives a very fast TR6 in the U.K. >> > > Not to mention, JON WOOD is one of the world's premier Party Blokes. > Smiles abound, wherever he goes. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/lang at isis.mit.edu From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Dec 6 09:26:02 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 16:26:02 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts In-Reply-To: <8CFA1BB701DCCDA-D48-17B7@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <1354775593.46945.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA1BB701DCCDA-D48-17B7@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7F7CFD@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> << BTW, Jon Wood, Simon Watson, and Keith Files will be our guests at KCUP 2013. >> And the lovely Denise? She's a lot of fun and would be missed. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 5:25 AM To: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts The Brits run rubber in combination with these 'Differential Stabilizers'. It supports the rubber further and ostensibly keeps the dif from moving around. I checked and verified with Jon Wood when Keith Files and he were my guests here in Jesup. He indicated that this was pretty much SOP in the UK for racing TR6s I have them on the shelf. TRF has them. They are getting popular with the street TR6s instead of the harsher urethane, which provides less noise and vibration isolation. And they should take some of the stress off of the mounts. I have no direct experience with them, myself, but ship them on a regular basis. BTW, Jon Wood, Simon Watson, and Keith Files will be our guests at KCUP 2013. They are great sources of information on what the Brits are doing in the UK. Jon is an ace wrench, Simon is parts manager for TR Enterprises, and Keith drives a very fast TR6 in the U.K. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: sherry robyn To: Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 12:34 am Subject: [Fot] Aluminum cups on TR6 diff mounts Any thoughts on whether or not those aluminum cups on the rear diff mounts improve a car's performance? Any thoughts on how these cups compare to using urethane and is it feasible to run urethane for rear diff mounts and rubber for front diff mounts? Thanks, Jim _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Dec 6 09:47:20 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 11:47:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] aluminum cups now KASTNER CUP 2013 Attendees In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7F7CFD@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <1354775593.46945.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA1BB701DCCDA-D48-17B7@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7F7CFD@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <8CFA1E87DF1449C-D48-451A@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> Denise Files is also coming. There are other guests from the UK coming....and perhaps more from Europe. This will truly be an international event. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- And the lovely Denise? She's a lot of fun and would be missed.Scott B. From rjohns at woh.rr.com Thu Dec 6 12:39:45 2012 From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 14:39:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup English attendees Message-ID: It is good news that not only Keith Files is coming , but Denise is also. She is a lovely girl and we had a hoot at Topeka with her and Keith's brother. Bob Johns From triosan at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 13:15:16 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 12:15:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] aluminum cups now KASTNER CUP 2013 Attendees In-Reply-To: <8CFA1E87DF1449C-D48-451A@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <1354775593.46945.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA1BB701DCCDA-D48-17B7@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7F7CFD@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> <8CFA1E87DF1449C-D48-451A@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: How about Kieth's son -- the REAL racer in today's world! On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Denise Files is also coming. There are other guests from the UK > coming....and > perhaps more from Europe. > > This will truly be an international event. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > And the lovely Denise? She's a lot of fun and would be missed.Scott B. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Dec 6 13:34:26 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 15:34:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] aluminum cups now KASTNER CUP 2013 Attendees In-Reply-To: References: <006a01cdd18e$17242b60$456c8220$@net> <1354775593.46945.YahooMailRC@web184803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA1BB701DCCDA-D48-17B7@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7F7CFD@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> <8CFA1E87DF1449C-D48-451A@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFA208378AAF3E-D48-6051@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com> I have not heard Josh's name yet....nor Clifford, Keith's bro. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley To: Joe Alexander Cc: sbarr ; fot Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 2:15 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] aluminum cups now KASTNER CUP 2013 Attendees How about Kieth's son -- the REAL racer in today's world! On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: Denise Files is also coming. There are other guests from the UK coming....and perhaps more from Europe. This will truly be an international event. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- And the lovely Denise? She's a lot of fun and would be missed.Scott B. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 7 15:18:44 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 17:18:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] CALIFORNIA AIR CODE NAME: BOMB (Spitfire & GT6) TRADITIONAL TRIUMPH (TR2-TR6) Message-ID: <8CFA2DFF3959A5B-F70-579B@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> I just received inventory of the subject John Clancy titles from John. If you expected to received one or more of these, remind me, and I will get them out as soon as possible. Notes: "Code Name: Bomb" and "Traditional Triumph" are DOUBLE DVDs and are in PAL FORMAT. Brilliant DVDs for your TRIUMPH archives. You may get to see John Clancy in action as FOT''s videographer at KASTNER CUP 2013. More on that later. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Dec 9 13:36:13 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 15:36:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] NOMINATIONS ANDY PACKARD & CREGG COWAN (West Coast) In-Reply-To: References: <8CF9D5DF83D686E-5C8-39505@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> <1FAE768B-D151-46D4-8DC5-7379A2CEDAF5@att.net> <8CFA2B9CC53E963-F70-23C4@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFA463F68A2F84-6B4-317E8@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Please welcome Andy and Cregg to the FOT with "seconds" for both of them. They are preparing a TR4 for endurance racing on the west coast. Of course they will need our support in this effort. Cregg is very familiar to me and you may have met him when we were all together at the Laguna Seca Kastner Cup. Andy Packard is also familiar to me and a fellow VTR member. Andy Packard apackard68 at att.net Cregg Cowan cregg.cowan at sri.com Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Packard To: Joe Alexander Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:52 am Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 It's endurance racing, so there are a minimum of four drivers for weekend driving of about eight hours each Saturday and Sunday. Cregg and I are the most experienced drivers and John is more technical, although all of us are very mechanical and have restored at least one of our own cars. I have a TR250 with Ratco frame and triple webers among other upgrades. It looks stock and drives fast winning FTD at two VTR events and most Triumphest autocrosses. Cregg has two TR6's, a driver and one in restoration. John has restored a Spitfire with a rotary engine and is working on a TR4 resto right now. If you want to just add one person to the FOT group, I would make it Cregg, but I would also like to be in on the group too. Andy On Dec 7, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: Andy, who is going to be the primary driver and is the most technical? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Packard To: Joe Alexander Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:43 am Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 Hi Joe: Cregg Cowan, John Sisler and I are putting a TR4 Lemons race car together here in the Bay Area. We're hoping to tap into some of the race prep knowledge of the FOT, but it looks like we need your permission to access the Facebook group. One primary issue we have is identifying the correct size racing seat options for a TR4. We're trying to schedule the roll cage construction and having the seat in place will help insure we have the correct clearances for our tallest drivers. Any assistance you can provide in helping us connect with your group would be appreciated. Andy Packard On Nov 30, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Just a heads up...... > > I talked to Sean last night > > Sean Alexander has three conversion kits left on the shelf. > > If you are planning on doing this conversion, you may consider reserving one. > > It takes Sean about 8 weeks to manufacture and assemble 25 kits and he has > three kids active in sports. :-) > > You can contact Sean at: alex3rail at gmail.com > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/apackard68 at att.net From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 9 13:41:34 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 15:41:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] NOMINATIONS ANDY PACKARD & CREGG COWAN (West Coast) Message-ID: Seconded. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Joe Alexander wrote: > Please welcome Andy and Cregg to the FOT with "seconds" for both of them. > >They are preparing a TR4 for endurance racing on the west coast. Of course >they will need our support in this effort. > >Cregg is very familiar to me and you may have met him when we were all >together at the Laguna Seca Kastner Cup. Andy Packard is also familiar to me >and a fellow VTR member. > >Andy Packard apackard68 at att.net >Cregg Cowan cregg.cowan at sri.com > >Thanks! > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Andrew Packard >To: Joe Alexander >Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:52 am >Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 > > >It's endurance racing, so there are a minimum of four drivers for weekend >driving of about eight hours each Saturday and Sunday. Cregg and I are the >most experienced drivers and John is more technical, although all of us are >very mechanical and have restored at least one of our own cars. I have a >TR250 with Ratco frame and triple webers among other upgrades. It looks stock >and drives fast winning FTD at two VTR events and most Triumphest autocrosses. >Cregg has two TR6's, a driver and one in restoration. John has restored a >Spitfire with a rotary engine and is working on a TR4 resto right now. >If you want to just add one person to the FOT group, I would make it Cregg, >but I would also like to be in on the group too. >Andy > > > > > >On Dec 7, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > >Andy, who is going to be the primary driver and is the most technical? > > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Andrew Packard >To: Joe Alexander >Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:43 am >Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 > > >Hi Joe: >Cregg Cowan, John Sisler and I are putting a TR4 Lemons race car together here >in the Bay Area. We're hoping to tap into some of the race prep knowledge of >the FOT, but it looks like we need your permission to access the Facebook >group. >One primary issue we have is identifying the correct size racing seat options >for a TR4. We're trying to schedule the roll cage construction and having the >seat in place will help insure we have the correct clearances for our tallest >drivers. > >Any assistance you can provide in helping us connect with your group would be >appreciated. > >Andy Packard > >On Nov 30, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> Just a heads up...... >> >> I talked to Sean last night >> >> Sean Alexander has three conversion kits left on the shelf. >> >> If you are planning on doing this conversion, you may consider reserving >one. >> >> It takes Sean about 8 weeks to manufacture and assemble 25 kits and he has >> three kids active in sports. :-) >> >> You can contact Sean at: alex3rail at gmail.com >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> ________________________________________ >> >> 6pack at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/apackard68 at att.net >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Dec 9 13:52:02 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 15:52:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination - FOT SHAWN FRANK SPITFIRE AUTOCROSS IOWA In-Reply-To: <1354902809.77576.YahooMailNeo@web112507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <8CF9BB360FB847A-1E00-27692@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> <1354832071.65824.YahooMailNeo@web112513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2A8FD9A4FB0-F70-15DD@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354899232.20721.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2B55F7A4D1A-F70-1FE3@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354902809.77576.YahooMailNeo@web112507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFA4662BFFB164-6B4-31E06@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> FOT: Please welcome Shawn to the FOT list with a "second" and a greeting. Shawn lowers the average age of the FOT.....this is needed as the rest of get older. Shawn is from IOWA....this is good, as we dont have many members in Iowa. Shawn is already making reservations at the OSTHOF to join us at the KCUP 2013. I think Shawn has about 4.5 Spitfires, which means he is in a lot of trouble already, but we can try to help. Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Dec 9 14:00:12 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 15:00:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination - FOT SHAWN FRANK SPITFIRE AUTOCROSS IOWA In-Reply-To: <8CFA4662BFFB164-6B4-31E06@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF9BB360FB847A-1E00-27692@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> <1354832071.65824.YahooMailNeo@web112513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2A8FD9A4FB0-F70-15DD@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354899232.20721.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2B55F7A4D1A-F70-1FE3@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354902809.77576.YahooMailNeo@web112507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA4662BFFB164-6B4-31E06@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Seconded! We need another Young Gun to battle the Racing Retireds! Cheers, Tony Drews At 02:52 PM 12/9/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > >Please welcome Shawn to the FOT list with a "second" and a greeting. > >Shawn lowers the average age of the FOT.....this is needed as the rest of get >older. > >Shawn is from IOWA....this is good, as we dont have many members in Iowa. > >Shawn is already making reservations at the OSTHOF to join us at the KCUP >2013. > >I think Shawn has about 4.5 Spitfires, which means he is in a lot of trouble >already, but we can try to help. > >Thanks! > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From mark at bradakis.com Sun Dec 9 14:19:27 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 14:19:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination - FOT SHAWN FRANK SPITFIRE AUTOCROSS IOWA In-Reply-To: <8CFA4662BFFB164-6B4-31E06@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF9BB360FB847A-1E00-27692@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> <1354832071.65824.YahooMailNeo@web112513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2A8FD9A4FB0-F70-15DD@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354899232.20721.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2B55F7A4D1A-F70-1FE3@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354902809.77576.YahooMailNeo@web112507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA4662BFFB164-6B4-31E06@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <50C5005F.9070601@bradakis.com> Gee whiz, Joe - it is Sunday, why are you making me work so hard? Actually I do have some stopwatches laying around my desk, leftovers from IVR, I should have seen just how many seconds it took me to add the three new guys. Oh, I did do some work on Team.Net earlier, the search function in the archives ( link below ) should be working again. mjb. From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Sun Dec 9 14:19:21 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 13:19:21 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination - FOT SHAWN FRANK SPITFIRE AUTOCROSS IOWA In-Reply-To: <20121209210052.2A2C84225B@autox.team.net> References: <8CF9BB360FB847A-1E00-27692@webmail-m129.sysops.aol.com> <1354832071.65824.YahooMailNeo@web112513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2A8FD9A4FB0-F70-15DD@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354899232.20721.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA2B55F7A4D1A-F70-1FE3@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <1354902809.77576.YahooMailNeo@web112507.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CFA4662BFFB164-6B4-31E06@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> <20121209210052.2A2C84225B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE11334E4@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Second the second! Shawn's primary Spit is a neat car, with a great story. He is worthy. Ed Dunn West Coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd. Suite D-101 Encinitas, CA 92024 760-492-3814 West Coast Vintage Racing -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 1:00 PM To: Joe Alexander; fot at autox.team.net Cc: my71spit13 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination - FOT SHAWN FRANK SPITFIRE AUTOCROSS IOWA Seconded! We need another Young Gun to battle the Racing Retireds! Cheers, Tony Drews At 02:52 PM 12/9/2012, Joe Alexander wrote: > FOT: > >Please welcome Shawn to the FOT list with a "second" and a greeting. > >Shawn lowers the average age of the FOT.....this is needed as the rest >of get older. > >Shawn is from IOWA....this is good, as we dont have many members in Iowa. > >Shawn is already making reservations at the OSTHOF to join us at the >KCUP 2013. > >I think Shawn has about 4.5 Spitfires, which means he is in a lot of >trouble already, but we can try to help. > >Thanks! > > > >Joe Alexander >A. R. E. >645 1st Street >Jesup, Iowa 50648 >319.464.4711 (cell) >n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 9 15:34:41 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 14:34:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination - FOT SHAWN FRANK SPITFIRE AUTOCROSS IOWA Message-ID: <1355092481.46855.androidMobile@web112513.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thank you very much for the nomination, Joe, and thanks guys for the second and second second! I plan on building my 78 Spitfire into an autocross and rallyX specific. My 71 MKIV will remain my daily driver and also autocrosser until the 78 is done. I am honored to be nominated, and really love these little cars. Obviously, since there is a 64 MK1, a 71 MKIV, a 78 1500, a 79 half 1500, and an 80 1500. I am currently working on an 80 1500, a 71 TR6, and an 80 TR8 for clients. I plan on autocrossing the TR8 when it is done. It is beautiful. I guess what I'm trying to say is: Triumphs have chosen me, and I humbly accept my duties as care taker for a little while at least. Thank you all once again, and hope to see you all at the KCup...Shawn Frank Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From chasgee at aol.com Sun Dec 9 17:55:19 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 16:55:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 Message-ID: <814E3314-8153-4E5A-BC9B-8803830828B1@aol.com> Hello fellow FOTers, I've been looking for a new fiberglass hood for my Spitfire, but all the usual places won't respond to my inquiries. Does anyone have a current active source for these hoods? Thanks, From dlhogye at comcast.net Sun Dec 9 18:48:42 2012 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 01:48:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] NOMINATIONS ANDY PACKARD & CREGG COWAN (West Coast) In-Reply-To: <8CFA463F68A2F84-6B4-317E8@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <505303740.1017427.1355104122489.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'll add a second to the nomination of Andy and Cregg. They are very active with our Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club and dedicated to all things Triumph related. They will be an asset to the FoT. Cregg has a really sweet TR6 and Andy has an amazing TR250 which he restored to perfection with many performance mods. They will both love being connected to this group. Thanks for nominating them, Joe. Dave Hogye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: "cregg cowan" , apackard68 at att.net Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2012 12:36:13 PM Subject: [Fot] NOMINATIONS ANDY PACKARD & CREGG COWAN (West Coast) Please welcome Andy and Cregg to the FOT with "seconds" for both of them. They are preparing a TR4 for endurance racing on the west coast. Of course they will need our support in this effort. Cregg is very familiar to me and you may have met him when we were all together at the Laguna Seca Kastner Cup. Andy Packard is also familiar to me and a fellow VTR member. Andy Packard apackard68 at att.net Cregg Cowan cregg.cowan at sri.com Thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Packard To: Joe Alexander Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:52 am Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 It's endurance racing, so there are a minimum of four drivers for weekend driving of about eight hours each Saturday and Sunday. Cregg and I are the most experienced drivers and John is more technical, although all of us are very mechanical and have restored at least one of our own cars. I have a TR250 with Ratco frame and triple webers among other upgrades. It looks stock and drives fast winning FTD at two VTR events and most Triumphest autocrosses. Cregg has two TR6's, a driver and one in restoration. John has restored a Spitfire with a rotary engine and is working on a TR4 resto right now. If you want to just add one person to the FOT group, I would make it Cregg, but I would also like to be in on the group too. Andy On Dec 7, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: Andy, who is going to be the primary driver and is the most technical? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Packard To: Joe Alexander Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:43 am Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 Hi Joe: Cregg Cowan, John Sisler and I are putting a TR4 Lemons race car together here in the Bay Area. We're hoping to tap into some of the race prep knowledge of the FOT, but it looks like we need your permission to access the Facebook group. One primary issue we have is identifying the correct size racing seat options for a TR4. We're trying to schedule the roll cage construction and having the seat in place will help insure we have the correct clearances for our tallest drivers. Any assistance you can provide in helping us connect with your group would be appreciated. Andy Packard On Nov 30, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Just a heads up...... > > I talked to Sean last night > > Sean Alexander has three conversion kits left on the shelf. > > If you are planning on doing this conversion, you may consider reserving one. > > It takes Sean about 8 weeks to manufacture and assemble 25 kits and he has > three kids active in sports. :-) > > You can contact Sean at: alex3rail at gmail.com > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/apackard68 at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dlhogye at comcast.net From levilevi at comcast.net Sun Dec 9 20:24:48 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 20:24:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] NOMINATIONS ANDY PACKARD & CREGG COWAN (West Coast) In-Reply-To: <8CFA463F68A2F84-6B4-317E8@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CF9D5DF83D686E-5C8-39505@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> <1FAE768B-D151-46D4-8DC5-7379A2CEDAF5@att.net> <8CFA2B9CC53E963-F70-23C4@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> <8CFA463F68A2F84-6B4-317E8@Webmail-d102.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: A hardy second for them both. Andy and Cregg are great guys. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Dec 9, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > Please welcome Andy and Cregg to the FOT with "seconds" for both of > them. > > They are preparing a TR4 for endurance racing on the west coast. Of > course > they will need our support in this effort. > > Cregg is very familiar to me and you may have met him when we were all > together at the Laguna Seca Kastner Cup. Andy Packard is also > familiar to me > and a fellow VTR member. > > Andy Packard apackard68 at att.net > Cregg Cowan cregg.cowan at sri.com > > Thanks! > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Packard > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:52 am > Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 > > > It's endurance racing, so there are a minimum of four drivers for > weekend > driving of about eight hours each Saturday and Sunday. Cregg and I > are the > most experienced drivers and John is more technical, although all of > us are > very mechanical and have restored at least one of our own cars. I > have a > TR250 with Ratco frame and triple webers among other upgrades. It > looks stock > and drives fast winning FTD at two VTR events and most Triumphest > autocrosses. > Cregg has two TR6's, a driver and one in restoration. John has > restored a > Spitfire with a rotary engine and is working on a TR4 resto right now. > If you want to just add one person to the FOT group, I would make it > Cregg, > but I would also like to be in on the group too. > Andy > > > > > > On Dec 7, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > > Andy, who is going to be the primary driver and is the most technical? > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Packard > To: Joe Alexander > Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 11:43 am > Subject: Re: [6pack] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6 > > > Hi Joe: > Cregg Cowan, John Sisler and I are putting a TR4 Lemons race car > together here > in the Bay Area. We're hoping to tap into some of the race prep > knowledge of > the FOT, but it looks like we need your permission to access the > Facebook > group. > One primary issue we have is identifying the correct size racing > seat options > for a TR4. We're trying to schedule the roll cage construction and > having the > seat in place will help insure we have the correct clearances for > our tallest > drivers. > > Any assistance you can provide in helping us connect with your group > would be > appreciated. > > Andy Packard > > On Nov 30, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > >> Just a heads up...... >> >> I talked to Sean last night >> >> Sean Alexander has three conversion kits left on the shelf. >> >> If you are planning on doing this conversion, you may consider >> reserving > one. >> >> It takes Sean about 8 weeks to manufacture and assemble 25 kits and >> he has >> three kids active in sports. :-) >> >> You can contact Sean at: alex3rail at gmail.com >> >> >> >> Joe Alexander >> A. R. E. >> 645 1st Street >> Jesup, Iowa 50648 >> 319.464.4711 (cell) >> n197tr4 at cs.com >> >> ________________________________________ >> >> 6pack at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/apackard68 at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From mmoore at wave1.net Mon Dec 10 09:14:28 2012 From: mmoore at wave1.net (Mike Moore) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 11:14:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gauges rebuilt Message-ID: <001701cdd6f1$6ee8def0$4cba9cd0$@net> I am looking for someone to repair my speedometer and tach in my street TR4 over the winter. Who would you recommend? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 10:17:37 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 11:17:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Gauges rebuilt In-Reply-To: <001701cdd6f1$6ee8def0$4cba9cd0$@net> References: <001701cdd6f1$6ee8def0$4cba9cd0$@net> Message-ID: <7097348A-4E96-46A1-80DE-645F44702273@gmail.com> MIke, Try Nisonger (nisonger.com) in New York. They repaired a modified Smiths tachometer for me on a Morgan. Duncan On Dec 10, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Mike Moore wrote: > I am looking for someone to repair my speedometer and tach in my street TR4 > over the winter. Who would you recommend? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com From rjl6n at cstone.net Mon Dec 10 11:27:56 2012 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:27:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Gauges Rebuilt Message-ID: <25ea2d38474e8dce1975539648c13364.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> I've had good results with both Nisonger and with Palo Alto Speedometers in the past. John On Mon, December 10, 2012 12:17 pm, Duncan Charlton wrote: > MIke, > > Try Nisonger (nisonger.com) in New York. They repaired a modified Smiths > tachometer for me on a Morgan. > > Duncan > > On Dec 10, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Mike Moore wrote: > >> I am looking for someone to repair my speedometer and tach in my street >> TR4 >> over the winter. Who would you recommend? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> Michael T. Moore, CPA >> >> 2007 West 32nd Street >> >> Erie, PA 16508 >> >> >> >> Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 >> >> Fax: 814-864-7383 From rwestfall at ymail.com Mon Dec 10 11:42:17 2012 From: rwestfall at ymail.com (Russell Westfall) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:42:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Re: Gauges rebuilt Message-ID: <1355164937.61749.YahooMailClassic@web161806.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> --- On Mon, 12/10/12, Russell Westfall wrote: From: Russell Westfall Subject: Re: [Fot] Gauges rebuilt To: fot at autoxteam.net Date: Monday, December 10, 2012, 6:38 PM You could also try; APT Insruments International 9632 Humbolt Ave So. Bloomington MN. 55431 (952) 881 9632 They did the gauges for my M.G. T.D. and they came out beautiful, redyed the face remade the glass covers everything. Not cheap, but good. Russ Westfall --- On Mon, 12/10/12, Duncan Charlton wrote: From: Duncan Charlton Subject: Re: [Fot] Gauges rebuilt To: "Mike Moore" Cc: fot at autox.team.net Date: Monday, December 10, 2012, 5:17 PM MIke, Try Nisonger (nisonger.com) in New York. They repaired a modified Smiths tachometer for me on a Morgan. Duncan On Dec 10, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Mike Moore wrote: > I am looking for someone to repair my speedometer and tach in my street TR4 > over the winter. Who would you recommend? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > Mike > > > > Michael T. Moore, CPA > > 2007 West 32nd Street > > Erie, PA 16508 > > > > Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 > > Fax: 814-864-7383 > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rwestfall at ymail.com From clw2000 at msn.com Mon Dec 10 11:48:11 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:48:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 In-Reply-To: <814E3314-8153-4E5A-BC9B-8803830828B1@aol.com> References: <814E3314-8153-4E5A-BC9B-8803830828B1@aol.com> Message-ID: Chuck - Did you try prodbodies.com ? Thanks, Chuck Watson > From: chasgee at aol.com > Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 16:55:19 -0800 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 > > Hello fellow FOTers, > > I've been looking for a new fiberglass hood for my Spitfire, but all the usual > places won't respond to my inquiries. Does anyone have a current active source > for these hoods? > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From clw2000 at msn.com Mon Dec 10 11:48:22 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:48:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 In-Reply-To: <814E3314-8153-4E5A-BC9B-8803830828B1@aol.com> References: <814E3314-8153-4E5A-BC9B-8803830828B1@aol.com> Message-ID: Chuck - Did you try prodbodies.com ? Thanks, Chuck Watson > From: chasgee at aol.com > Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 16:55:19 -0800 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 > > Hello fellow FOTers, > > I've been looking for a new fiberglass hood for my Spitfire, but all the usual > places won't respond to my inquiries. Does anyone have a current active source > for these hoods? > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From jason at multivintage.com Mon Dec 10 12:49:46 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:49:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1959 June Sprints Cool OLD Video Message-ID: A couple of Triumphs in here. Check out the TR3 roll bar that heads backwards from the top of the roll hoop to the TOW HITCH AREA! Like the Pepsi Advertising on the bridge. You might notice a few changes in the landscape on the edge of the track... Night and Day compared to Today. This is some of the best early footage I have seen of Road America. http://vimeo.com/49357431 Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From John.Reed at wilson.com Mon Dec 10 14:02:20 2012 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (Reed, John) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:02:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1959 June Sprints Cool OLD Video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I love the hands off the steering wheel brake test, in the tech barn! On 12/10/12 1:49 PM, "jason ostrowski" wrote: A couple of Triumphs in here. Check out the TR3 roll bar that heads backwards from the top of the roll hoop to the TOW HITCH AREA! Like the Pepsi Advertising on the bridge. You might notice a few changes in the landscape on the edge of the track... Night and Day compared to Today. This is some of the best early footage I have seen of Road America. http://vimeo.com/49357431 Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.reed at wilson.com John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services [cid:3437996540_16638571] Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W. Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago IL 60631: USA T: 1 773.714.6895 F: 1 773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com http://www.wilson.com http://www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image.png] From budscars at comcast.net Mon Dec 10 14:49:19 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:49:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] 1959 June Sprints Cool OLD Video References: Message-ID: <6F38B23F7C8A4B0AACFC0E124CC0BCD4@Bud> Thanks for the Terrific video!!! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reed, John" To: "jason ostrowski" ; "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 1959 June Sprints Cool OLD Video >I love the hands off the steering wheel brake test, in the tech barn! > > > On 12/10/12 1:49 PM, "jason ostrowski" wrote: > > A couple of Triumphs in here. Check out the TR3 roll bar that heads > backwards from the top of the roll hoop to the TOW HITCH AREA! > Like the Pepsi Advertising on the bridge. > You might notice a few changes in the landscape on the edge of the > track... > Night and Day compared to Today. > This is some of the best early footage I have seen of Road America. > http://vimeo.com/49357431 > Jason Ostrowski > Friendly Ghost Racing > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/john.reed at wilson.com > > > > > John Reed > Global Staff Photographer > Creative Services > > [cid:3437996540_16638571] > > Wilson Sporting Goods Co. > 8750 W. Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago IL 60631: USA > T: 1 773.714.6895 F: 1 773.714.4585 > John.Reed at wilson.com http://www.wilson.com http://www.amersports.com > > > > This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you > are > not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please > notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized > copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is > strictly > forbidden. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of > image.png] > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From chasgee at aol.com Mon Dec 10 15:18:42 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:18:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 In-Reply-To: References: <814E3314-8153-4E5A-BC9B-8803830828B1@aol.com> Message-ID: <440696A0-FD79-45CC-87A8-E1195E0E7996@aol.com> Yes, more than once. They haven't responded yet. Chuck On Dec 10, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Charles WATSON wrote: > Chuck - > > Did you try prodbodies.com ? > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > > > > > > From: chasgee at aol.com > > Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 16:55:19 -0800 > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 > > > > Hello fellow FOTers, > > > > I've been looking for a new fiberglass hood for my Spitfire, but all the usual > > places won't respond to my inquiries. Does anyone have a current active source > > for these hoods? > > > > Thanks, > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Dec 10 15:26:54 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Two GT6's for sale in Denver for $2K, for both. Message-ID: <1702694417.921003.1355178414588.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Two GT6's for sale in Denver for $2K, for both. NFI, just FYI OK? 10-4 http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/3455721569.html jim g From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Mon Dec 10 15:27:48 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 14:27:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 In-Reply-To: <440696A0-FD79-45CC-87A8-E1195E0E7996@aol.com> References: <814E3314-8153-4E5A-BC9B-8803830828B1@aol.com> <440696A0-FD79-45CC-87A8-E1195E0E7996@aol.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133503@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Might check with Joe Siam. All of his Spits have glass front ends. Ed Dunn -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Gee Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 2:19 PM To: Charles WATSON Cc: FOT List Subject: Re: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 Yes, more than once. They haven't responded yet. Chuck On Dec 10, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Charles WATSON wrote: > Chuck - > > Did you try prodbodies.com ? > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > > > > > > From: chasgee at aol.com > > Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 16:55:19 -0800 > > To: fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] Fiberglass hood for Spitfire 1500 > > > > Hello fellow FOTers, > > > > I've been looking for a new fiberglass hood for my Spitfire, but all the usual > > places won't respond to my inquiries. Does anyone have a current active source > > for these hoods? > > > > Thanks, > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 10 15:50:55 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:50:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Two GT6's for sale in Denver for $2K, for both. In-Reply-To: <1702694417.921003.1355178414588.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1702694417.921003.1355178414588.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <50C6674F.4000508@bradakis.com> Good thing I didn't see this back when I had the money earlier this summer! mjb. From wgrosenbach at juno.com Mon Dec 10 15:55:40 2012 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (wgrosenbach at juno.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:55:40 GMT Subject: [Fot] 1959 June Sprints Cool OLD Video Message-ID: <20121210.155540.30475.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Gotta love the F&C workers standing at the apex with paddle flags! ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Jason Ostrowski To: triumph friends Subject: [Fot] 1959 June Sprints Cool OLD Video Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 13:49:46 -0600 A couple of Triumphs in here. Check out the TR3 roll bar that heads backwards from the top of the roll hoop to the TOW HITCH AREA! Like the Pepsi Advertising on the bridge. You might notice a few changes in the landscape on the edge of the track... Night and Day compared to Today. This is some of the best early footage I have seen of Road America. http://vimeo.com/49357431 Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/wgrosenbach at juno.com ____________________________________________________________ Veteran Home Loans Apply for VA Loans with competitive interest rates at Military.com. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50c668b8e6e7368b83010st02vuc From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Dec 10 17:20:17 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:20:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... Message-ID: Hi, I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net Ever the pot-stirrer, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From budscars at comcast.net Mon Dec 10 17:48:50 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 16:48:50 -0800 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... References: Message-ID: <3ADD57A859E4430FB4DA5FF40900C2AA@Bud> The PA Hillclimbs have a marvelous history. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 4:20 PM Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > Hi, > > I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem > to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from > my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like > the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the > non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held > 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the > autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers > who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... > > Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. > > Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net > > Ever the pot-stirrer, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Mon Dec 10 18:14:09 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:14:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFA553F523F277-1DC0-5421@webmail-m175.sysops.aol.com> Excellent! We have been exploring alternative uses of our cars. MN has a couple hillclimbs and airport autocrosses we are looking at. Lower cost family activity for us and frequently requires less time with everybody's busy schedules. Not much interested in parking lots and pylons.....did that for 10 years, but it is another choice. Thanks Bob! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert M. Lang To: fot Sent: Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:20 pm Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... Hi, I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net Ever the pot-stirrer, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From budscars at comcast.net Mon Dec 10 18:57:45 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:57:45 -0800 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... References: <8CFA553F523F277-1DC0-5421@webmail-m175.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5EF100571CD1456693D166A8C829808F@Bud> it seems that there are/were some hillclimbs in Idaho? RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Alexander" To: ; Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > Excellent! > > We have been exploring alternative uses of our cars. > > MN has a couple hillclimbs and airport autocrosses we are looking at. > > Lower cost family activity for us and frequently requires less time with > everybody's busy schedules. > > Not much interested in parking lots and pylons.....did that for 10 years, > but > it is another choice. > > Thanks Bob! > > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert M. Lang > To: fot > Sent: Mon, Dec 10, 2012 6:20 pm > Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > > > Hi, > > I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem > to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from > my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like > the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the > non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held > 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the > autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers > who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... > > Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. > > Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net > > Ever the pot-stirrer, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 10 19:55:54 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:55:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: <5EF100571CD1456693D166A8C829808F@Bud> References: <8CFA553F523F277-1DC0-5421@webmail-m175.sysops.aol.com> <5EF100571CD1456693D166A8C829808F@Bud> Message-ID: <50C6A0BA.2010208@bradakis.com> RACER BUD wrote: > it seems that there are/were some hillclimbs in Idaho? I don't really know if those are still around. When I was active with the local SCCA region I heard about them, would put the info in the SCCA newsletter. Back in the mid - late 90s IVR ran a few hillclimbs. Those were fun. Killer's first public appearance was at the 1997 Snow Basin hillclimb. But we lost both our twisty mountain roads to construction for the 2002 Utah Olympics and shifted focus to the "road" races out at the Wendover airport. 2013 may see me once again take a modestly active part in local motorsports, I'll look into the Idaho hillclimbs. mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Mon Dec 10 20:01:31 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:01:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimbs Message-ID: <50C6A20B.9030001@bradakis.com> Hillclimb info for out here in my neck of the woods: http://www.nhahillclimb.org/ mjb. From sjanzen at me.com Mon Dec 10 20:15:36 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:15:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F7505C0-CE5F-4C45-9948-060B1674A412@me.com> Pa hill climbs are lots of fun and the hills have a lot of history - they've been running Giants Despair continuously since 1906. They have one every two weeks from June 8th to Sept 14, only one hill repeated, and it's a terrific one (Weatherly). Good paddock scene, great variety of cars and people, quite a few spectators as these are local, small town events, Pagoda and Duryea being bigger (in Reading). No run-off, no guard rails, just the real deal - rocks, trees sone walls and occasionally getting airborne. Only caveat for you road racers is that driving time is limited. If things run smoothly, you might get four runs in a day, 1-3 minutes a shot depending on the hill. Entry fees are low. Rich Rock is one of the hill climb experts on this forum, being one of the organizers and having run them for years. And yes, there are usually several Triumphs. On Dec 10, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Robert M. Lang wrote: Hi, I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net Ever the pot-stirrer, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From dkettler1 at charter.net Mon Dec 10 20:54:01 2012 From: dkettler1 at charter.net (David Kettler) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:54:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Gauges rebuilt In-Reply-To: <001701cdd6f1$6ee8def0$4cba9cd0$@net> References: <001701cdd6f1$6ee8def0$4cba9cd0$@net> Message-ID: Mike: Had a TR3 Tach repaired by British Miles in Morrisville, PA this year. 215-736-9300. I was satisfied with the work. Dave Kettler -----Original Message----- From: Mike Moore Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 10:14 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Gauges rebuilt I am looking for someone to repair my speedometer and tach in my street TR4 over the winter. Who would you recommend? Thanks Mike Michael T. Moore, CPA 2007 West 32nd Street Erie, PA 16508 Phone: 814-868-4831 ext 103 Fax: 814-864-7383 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dkettler1 at charter.net From triumphs at consolidated.net Mon Dec 10 21:45:02 2012 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:45:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hillclimbs In-Reply-To: <50C6A20B.9030001@bradakis.com> References: <50C6A20B.9030001@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <9BF31657-2747-4A6C-8B63-3E34536E85BD@consolidated.net> Cool. Thank you. Kg Sent from my iPad On Dec 10, 2012, at 9:01 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Hillclimb info for out here in my neck of the woods: > > http://www.nhahillclimb.org/ > > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From triumphs at consolidated.net Mon Dec 10 21:56:29 2012 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Home Consolidated) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:56:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: <0F7505C0-CE5F-4C45-9948-060B1674A412@me.com> References: <0F7505C0-CE5F-4C45-9948-060B1674A412@me.com> Message-ID: <12163DBE-0097-4E80-948B-D592B3B6C0F4@consolidated.net> Put me on the list, at least to spectate :-) There is a fun hill climb, believe it or not, in Western Indiana. Newport. It runs once a year, in October and is limited to pre WWII cars (unless the manufacture is out of business, then it the early 1950's). It starts right at the courthouse door and runs a drag race straight up a steep hill. Ken Gano Sent from my iPad On Dec 10, 2012, at 9:15 PM, Scott Janzen wrote: > Pa hill climbs are lots of fun and the hills have a lot of history - they've been running Giants Despair continuously since 1906. They have one every two weeks from June 8th to Sept 14, only one hill repeated, and it's a terrific one (Weatherly). Good paddock scene, great variety of cars and people, quite a few spectators as these are local, small town events, Pagoda and Duryea being bigger (in Reading). No run-off, no guard rails, just the real deal - rocks, trees sone walls and occasionally getting airborne. > Only caveat for you road racers is that driving time is limited. If things run smoothly, you might get four runs in a day, 1-3 minutes a shot depending on the hill. > Entry fees are low. Rich Rock is one of the hill climb experts on this forum, being one of the organizers and having run them for years. > > And yes, there are usually several Triumphs. > > On Dec 10, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > > Hi, > > I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... > > Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. > > Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net > > Ever the pot-stirrer, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triumphs at consolidated.net From hakhutch at roadrunner.com Tue Dec 11 06:46:57 2012 From: hakhutch at roadrunner.com (Tim Hutchisen) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 08:46:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... References: Message-ID: <380AD35DAAC446C182CAB7A757602FE6@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Bob and other East Coast FOT'ers, The PA hillclimb circuit has lots of history and good events. If you can't make it to any of the PA events, you can try a little closer to home for a good hillclimb event. New England Hill Climb Association (NEHA) is quite active throughout the warm season in the Northeast. A half dozen or so events every year, most are in Vermont. Go to http://hillclimb.org/index.html for more info. Lots of variety in the paddock and good people too. Tim Hutchisen Norway, ME ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:20 PM Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > Hi, > > I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem > to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from > my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like > the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the > non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held > 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the > autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers > who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... > > Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. > > Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net > > Ever the pot-stirrer, > rml From sjanzen at me.com Mon Dec 10 20:15:36 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:15:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F7505C0-CE5F-4C45-9948-060B1674A412@me.com> Pa hill climbs are lots of fun and the hills have a lot of history - they've been running Giants Despair continuously since 1906. They have one every two weeks from June 8th to Sept 14, only one hill repeated, and it's a terrific one (Weatherly). Good paddock scene, great variety of cars and people, quite a few spectators as these are local, small town events, Pagoda and Duryea being bigger (in Reading). No run-off, no guard rails, just the real deal - rocks, trees sone walls and occasionally getting airborne. Only caveat for you road racers is that driving time is limited. If things run smoothly, you might get four runs in a day, 1-3 minutes a shot depending on the hill. Entry fees are low. Rich Rock is one of the hill climb experts on this forum, being one of the organizers and having run them for years. And yes, there are usually several Triumphs. On Dec 10, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Robert M. Lang wrote: Hi, I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net Ever the pot-stirrer, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 07:34:23 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 08:34:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] 1959 June Sprints Cool OLD Video In-Reply-To: <6F38B23F7C8A4B0AACFC0E124CC0BCD4@Bud> References: <6F38B23F7C8A4B0AACFC0E124CC0BCD4@Bud> Message-ID: I found it surprising ing how little the track itself has changed. The configuration of the turns/straights looked pretty much as it did last time I saw it, about 4 or 5 years ago. Duncan On Dec 10, 2012, at 3:49 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > Thanks for the Terrific video!!! > RB From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 11 07:58:03 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 09:58:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: <380AD35DAAC446C182CAB7A757602FE6@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> References: <380AD35DAAC446C182CAB7A757602FE6@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> Message-ID: <8CFA5C70DA88A1C-A94-888E@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> The TAIL OF THE DRAGON HILL CLIMB is growing in popularity. I saw JK Jackson and Gary Hunter there this year. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tim Hutchisen To: Robert M. Lang ; fot Sent: Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:23 am Subject: Re: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... Bob and other East Coast FOT'ers, The PA hillclimb circuit has lots of history and good events. If you can't make it to any of the PA events, you can try a little closer to home for a good hillclimb event. New England Hill Climb Association (NEHA) is quite active throughout the warm season in the Northeast. A half dozen or so events every year, most are in Vermont. Go to http://hillclimb.org/index.html for more info. Lots of variety in the paddock and good people too. Tim Hutchisen Norway, ME ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:20 PM Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > Hi, > > I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem > to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from > my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like > the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the > non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held > 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the > autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers > who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... > > Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. > > Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net > > Ever the pot-stirrer, > rml _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 08:42:37 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:42:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: <8CFA5C70DA88A1C-A94-888E@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> References: <380AD35DAAC446C182CAB7A757602FE6@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> <8CFA5C70DA88A1C-A94-888E@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Now that is a ride if you have never done it.....and the dragon bites someone every year....I have heard more than one horror story from wrecks on that run. On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > The TAIL OF THE DRAGON HILL CLIMB is growing in popularity. I saw JK > Jackson > and Gary Hunter there this year. > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Hutchisen > To: Robert M. Lang ; fot > Sent: Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:23 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > > > Bob and other East Coast FOT'ers, > The PA hillclimb circuit has lots of history and good events. If you can't > make it to any of the PA events, you can try a little closer to home for a > good hillclimb event. New England Hill Climb Association (NEHA) is quite > active throughout the warm season in the Northeast. A half dozen or so > events every year, most are in Vermont. Go to > http://hillclimb.org/index.html for more info. > Lots of variety in the paddock and good people too. > Tim Hutchisen > Norway, ME > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:20 PM > Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > > > > Hi, > > > > I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem > > to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from > > my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like > > the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the > > non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held > > 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the > > autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers > > who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... > > > > Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. > > > > Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net > > > > Ever the pot-stirrer, > > rml > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 11 08:51:27 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:51:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: References: <380AD35DAAC446C182CAB7A757602FE6@UPSTAIRSOFFICE> <8CFA5C70DA88A1C-A94-888E@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFA5CE838CA66A-A94-8EB3@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> a transponder is recommended so they can find your remains...... Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Robert Deanes To: Joe Alexander Cc: hakhutch ; lang ; fot Sent: Tue, Dec 11, 2012 9:42 am Subject: Re: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... Now that is a ride if you have never done it.....and the dragon bites someone every year....I have heard more than one horror story from wrecks on that run. On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: The TAIL OF THE DRAGON HILL CLIMB is growing in popularity. I saw JK Jackson and Gary Hunter there this year. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tim Hutchisen To: Robert M. Lang ; fot Sent: Tue, Dec 11, 2012 7:23 am Subject: Re: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... Bob and other East Coast FOT'ers, The PA hillclimb circuit has lots of history and good events. If you can't make it to any of the PA events, you can try a little closer to home for a good hillclimb event. New England Hill Climb Association (NEHA) is quite active throughout the warm season in the Northeast. A half dozen or so events every year, most are in Vermont. Go to http://hillclimb.org/index.html for more info. Lots of variety in the paddock and good people too. Tim Hutchisen Norway, ME ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:20 PM Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > Hi, > > I've thought about posting this for a while... the PA hillclmb folks seem > to host events where a reasonble number of Triumphs attend, at least from > my read of the results. Some of us aren't road racers and an event like > the Pagoda Hillclimb in June might be a good gathering place for the > non-road-race FOTs. According to the PA Hillclimb web page will be held > 22-23 June 2013. I was thinking that a crossover event for the > autocrossers and the normal hillclimb folks along with some road racers > who want to take a shot at a hillclimb... > > Who's up for it? Regular PA hillclimb folks feel free to chime in. > > Check out the schedule: www.pahillclimb.net > > Ever the pot-stirrer, > rml _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com -- rob deanes TR Racer From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 11 09:15:41 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:15:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS Message-ID: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> FOT; We have now exceeded our contracted number of suites at the OSTHOF. I need to contract an addendum. They will work with us on this, but I need information. If you have not made reservations yet, but plan to, please contact me. Being at the Osthof is part of the weekend experience and is cost effective when suites are shared. Please respond to this request................................................and our earlier request for your plans to enter. Entry plans are vital for several reasons........for one, VSCDA will use this information to negotiate with track management. It will be to our benefit if everyone responds to their plans for entry. Shortly, you will see the promotion of this event being amped up. VSCDA has asked for the artwork for the FOT LOGO. BTW, we are self sponsored and now up to 20 "SPONSORS' in the FOT RANKS. Generously, too. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From sjanzen at me.com Tue Dec 11 09:23:50 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:23:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> cheapskate that I am, I'm wondering what staying at the track is like? Power in the paddock, decent showers, extra charges for camping? On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: FOT; We have now exceeded our contracted number of suites at the OSTHOF. I need to contract an addendum. They will work with us on this, but I need information. If you have not made reservations yet, but plan to, please contact me. Being at the Osthof is part of the weekend experience and is cost effective when suites are shared. Please respond to this request................................................and our earlier request for your plans to enter. Entry plans are vital for several reasons........for one, VSCDA will use this information to negotiate with track management. It will be to our benefit if everyone responds to their plans for entry. Shortly, you will see the promotion of this event being amped up. VSCDA has asked for the artwork for the FOT LOGO. BTW, we are self sponsored and now up to 20 "SPONSORS' in the FOT RANKS. Generously, too. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Tue Dec 11 09:33:14 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:33:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> Message-ID: Scott, that's a good question. I'm also racing in a budget and typically camp at the track and love it actually... Perhaps I'll make the haul next year. If I do it would be my first US event. I think the KCup would be a great 1st too... Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-11, at 11:25 AM, "Scott Janzen" wrote: > cheapskate that I am, I'm wondering what staying at the track is like? Power in the paddock, decent showers, extra charges for camping? > > On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > > FOT; > > We have now exceeded our contracted number of suites at the OSTHOF. > > I need to contract an addendum. They will work with us on this, but I need > information. > > If you have not made reservations yet, but plan to, please contact me. > > Being at the Osthof is part of the weekend experience and is cost effective > when suites are shared. > > Please respond to this > request................................................and our earlier request > for your plans to enter. > > Entry plans are vital for several reasons........for one, VSCDA will use this > information to negotiate with track management. It will be to our benefit if > everyone responds to their plans for entry. > > Shortly, you will see the promotion of this event being amped up. VSCDA has > asked for the artwork for the FOT LOGO. > > BTW, we are self sponsored and now up to 20 "SPONSORS' in the FOT RANKS. > Generously, too. > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 11 09:34:11 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:34:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> Message-ID: <8CFA5D47BECE1EC-A94-9431@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> ROADAMERICA.COM will give you all of that information. Road America charges for everything, but the infrastructure for camping is excellent. I usually prefer staying at the track, myself. It's a great place to be when the track goes to sleep and wakes up in the morning. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen To: Joe Alexander Cc: fot Sent: Tue, Dec 11, 2012 10:23 am Subject: Re: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS cheapskate that I am, I'm wondering what staying at the track is like? Power in the paddock, decent showers, extra charges for camping? On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: FOT; We have now exceeded our contracted number of suites at the OSTHOF. I need to contract an addendum. They will work with us on this, but I need information. If you have not made reservations yet, but plan to, please contact me. Being at the Osthof is part of the weekend experience and is cost effective when suites are shared. Please respond to this request................................................and our earlier request for your plans to enter. Entry plans are vital for several reasons........for one, VSCDA will use this information to negotiate with track management. It will be to our benefit if everyone responds to their plans for entry. Shortly, you will see the promotion of this event being amped up. VSCDA has asked for the artwork for the FOT LOGO. BTW, we are self sponsored and now up to 20 "SPONSORS' in the FOT RANKS. Generously, too. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From jason at multivintage.com Tue Dec 11 09:40:52 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:40:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> Message-ID: Scott, All the cool people stay at the track. Don't worry about that. They have half way decent showers and all that. We usually do the stuff downtown elkhart and osthoff then head back to the track for some serious campfire and a level of partying to be determined by whether or not your car is working or not. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:23:50 To: Joe Alexander Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS cheapskate that I am, I'm wondering what staying at the track is like? Power in the paddock, decent showers, extra charges for camping? On Dec 11, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: FOT; We have now exceeded our contracted number of suites at the OSTHOF. I need to contract an addendum. They will work with us on this, but I need information. If you have not made reservations yet, but plan to, please contact me. Being at the Osthof is part of the weekend experience and is cost effective when suites are shared. Please respond to this request................................................and our earlier request for your plans to enter. Entry plans are vital for several reasons........for one, VSCDA will use this information to negotiate with track management. It will be to our benefit if everyone responds to their plans for entry. Shortly, you will see the promotion of this event being amped up. VSCDA has asked for the artwork for the FOT LOGO. BTW, we are self sponsored and now up to 20 "SPONSORS' in the FOT RANKS. Generously, too. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Dec 11 09:44:10 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:44:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 11 Dec 2012, Scott Janzen wrote: > cheapskate that I am, I'm wondering what staying at the track is like? > Power in the paddock, decent showers, extra charges for camping? >From experience: staying at the track is okay. There's decent showers available and not too hard to find. I forget the charge for camping, but it was reasonable. Actually, we might have camped for free at the 2007 MOTRAH event based on our entry fee / crew status. The one problem with Road America is that it can get fairly cold, based on the 2007 experience. It was in the 30's on SUN morming. That was May, but Sep might not be any "better" in that regard. My current plan is to camp. But I might change my mind if I can get a group from New England to make the trek. On the other hand, I might be making a stop at RA on my way back from Solo Nationals... my plans are that much "up in the air" right now. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 11 09:50:16 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:50:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] INFORMATION SOURCES KCUP 2013 and THANK YOU! Message-ID: <8CFA5D6BA8A8F96-A94-96A9@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> roadamerica.com vscda.org osthoff.com fot-racing.com We want to thank everyone who have reported their intentions to enter or attend. Also, thanks to all who have made early reservations at the OSTHOFF. Extreme appreciation goes to those who are making this event financially possible. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 11 09:56:55 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:56:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <1990299364-1355244053-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1196878571-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> <1990299364-1355244053-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1196878571-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <8CFA5D7A87D09C2-A94-9777@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> What Jason said.....exactly. Except the showers are almost first class KOHLER. ALSO, the more information we have on entries and attendees, the easier it will be to ask for PADDOCK SPACE to contain us all. I am particularly interested in the layout of the paddock as that is where we spend most of our time. Jason, I plan to go in a day early to garner space in the paddock. Want to help? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Tue Dec 11 10:27:22 2012 From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Yahoo) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:27:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> Message-ID: <4BC14D99-7C39-4A03-80F0-E29CBE9F68C4@yahoo.com> 30 degrees. Do we need to bring spikes! Ty Sent from my iPhone '63 Triumph TR4 DP Race Car ++++ On Dec 11, 2012, at 9:44 AM, "Robert M. Lang" wrote: > On Tue, 11 Dec 2012, Scott Janzen wrote: > >> cheapskate that I am, I'm wondering what staying at the track is like? Power in the paddock, decent showers, extra charges for camping? > > From experience: staying at the track is okay. There's decent showers available and not too hard to find. I forget the charge for camping, but it was reasonable. Actually, we might have camped for free at the 2007 MOTRAH event based on our entry fee / crew status. > > The one problem with Road America is that it can get fairly cold, based on the 2007 experience. It was in the 30's on SUN morming. That was May, but Sep might not be any "better" in that regard. > > My current plan is to camp. But I might change my mind if I can get a group from New England to make the trek. > > On the other hand, I might be making a stop at RA on my way back from Solo Nationals... my plans are that much "up in the air" right now. > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 11 10:37:09 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:37:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <4BC14D99-7C39-4A03-80F0-E29CBE9F68C4@yahoo.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> <4BC14D99-7C39-4A03-80F0-E29CBE9F68C4@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFA5DD47D02A12-A94-9C40@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> WRONG! This is the first weekend after AUGUST! Bob was talking about the first weekend in May. 30 degrees. Do we need to bring spikes! TySent from my iPhone'63 Triumph TR4 DP Race Car++++On Dec 11, 2012, at 9:44 AM, "Robert M. Lang" wrote:> From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Dec 11 10:39:57 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:39:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS Message-ID: <1e18e.743690a5.3df8c9ed@aol.com> In a message dated 12/11/2012 11:28:17 AM Central Standard Time, tylerpthompson at yahoo.com writes: > 30 degrees. Do we need to bring spikes! > The September vintage event at ROAD AMERICA has usually been blessed with what we call 'Indian Summer' weather. Yes, cooler nights and mornings, but summer like weather during the day. Yes, Wisconsin weather can be an issue, but I've lived here all my life and September and October are our best months. For sure bring a sweat shirt and/or jacket for in the morning or at night, but expect to get by with short sleeves and shorts during the day. With any luck, the trees will begin showing their fall colors. If you don't get to experienced that where you are from...you will be in for a treat. Quite frankly, it does not get any better. Bill Dentinger From jason at multivintage.com Tue Dec 11 10:40:57 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:40:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <8CFA5D7A87D09C2-A94-9777@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> <1990299364-1355244053-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1196878571-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CFA5D7A87D09C2-A94-9777@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Yes, I will gladly help with that. Concerning power in the paddock... There are some outlets placed in certain areas. But there is no guarantee that we will all have access. I always bring the cords AND the generator to RA. Sometimes you get easy acesss sometimes you don't. Efforts will certainly be made for Triumph area to have power near but that will shake out in due time. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Joe Alexander Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:56:55 To: Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS What Jason said.....exactly. Except the showers are almost first class KOHLER. ALSO, the more information we have on entries and attendees, the easier it will be to ask for PADDOCK SPACE to contain us all. I am particularly interested in the layout of the paddock as that is where we spend most of our time. Jason, I plan to go in a day early to garner space in the paddock. Want to help? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Tue Dec 11 11:46:08 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 13:46:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <1e18e.743690a5.3df8c9ed@aol.com> References: <1e18e.743690a5.3df8c9ed@aol.com> Message-ID: 30, heck that's tropical for me :) Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-11, at 12:44 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/11/2012 11:28:17 AM Central Standard Time, > tylerpthompson at yahoo.com writes: > > >> 30 degrees. Do we need to bring spikes! >> > The September vintage event at ROAD AMERICA has usually been blessed with > what we call 'Indian Summer' weather. Yes, cooler nights and mornings, but > summer like weather during the day. Yes, Wisconsin weather can be an issue, > but I've lived here all my life and September and October are our best > months. For sure bring a sweat shirt and/or jacket for in the morning or at > night, but expect to get by with short sleeves and shorts during the day. With > any luck, the trees will begin showing their fall colors. If you don't get > to experienced that where you are from...you will be in for a treat. Quite > frankly, it does not get any better. > > Bill Dentinger > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From triosan at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 13:34:47 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:34:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <8CFA5D7A87D09C2-A94-9777@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> <1990299364-1355244053-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1196878571-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CFA5D7A87D09C2-A94-9777@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Will there be a "Test n Tune" day on Thursday [aka, get to know the track]? On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Joe Alexander wrote: > What Jason said.....exactly. Except the showers are almost first class > KOHLER. > > ALSO, the more information we have on entries and attendees, the easier it > will be to ask for PADDOCK SPACE to contain us all. I am particularly > interested in the layout of the paddock as that is where we spend most of > our > time. > > Jason, I plan to go in a day early to garner space in the paddock. Want to > help? > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From mark at bradakis.com Tue Dec 11 16:45:03 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:45:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sweet Sixteen Message-ID: <50C7C57F.5060406@bradakis.com> December 11, 1996 - The first of many messages to this FOT list went out. Still one of my favorite lists, with lots of great people! Happy Birthday to all of us! mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Tue Dec 11 17:03:19 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:03:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Sweet Sixteen References: <50C7C57F.5060406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <80B2214780F04830931A5B43DD73CBA1@Bud> HAPPY BIRTHDAY FOT! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:45 PM Subject: [Fot] Sweet Sixteen > December 11, 1996 - The first of many messages to this FOT list went out. > > Still one of my favorite lists, with lots of great people! > > Happy Birthday to all of us! > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Tue Dec 11 18:17:17 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:17:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Sweet Sixteen References: <50C7C57F.5060406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <667089CEE5564B24B51587C71186E2DE@hpd530> Mine's tomorrow, 12-12-12!!!!!! And I'm ssure not 16 anymore!!!! (I'll be singing the old Beatles song). Peace. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 6:45 PM Subject: [Fot] Sweet Sixteen > December 11, 1996 - The first of many messages to this FOT list went out. > > Still one of my favorite lists, with lots of great people! > > Happy Birthday to all of us! > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 06:23:25 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 05:23:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction Message-ID: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Dec 12 06:45:04 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:45:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Race it. jim g -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Shawn Frank Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:23 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From jhouathome at aol.com Wed Dec 12 07:07:03 2012 From: jhouathome at aol.com (John Houlton) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 08:07:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <20121212135616.0353640E60@autox.team.net> References: <20121212135616.0353640E60@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <3647B9A2-1059-4A13-8379-AA01D0E6ED2F@aol.com> Yes, race it. Race it now! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2012, at 7:45 AM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > Race it. > > > jim g > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Shawn Frank > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:23 AM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction > > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com From tarch at bellsouth.net Wed Dec 12 07:21:26 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:21:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <3647B9A2-1059-4A13-8379-AA01D0E6ED2F@aol.com> References: <20121212135616.0353640E60@autox.team.net> <3647B9A2-1059-4A13-8379-AA01D0E6ED2F@aol.com> Message-ID: <004801cdd873$f8ee2e10$eaca8a30$@net> The smart option is to restore it! Spend 2 years and $35,000 on it. Make it a beautify machine and sell it for $25,000. You've only lost 2 years and 10 Gs. Think about how much farther ahead you are than if you raced it....:) Richard Taylor TR-4 196 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Houlton Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:07 AM To: Jim Gray Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction Yes, race it. Race it now! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2012, at 7:45 AM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > Race it. > > > jim g > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Shawn Frank > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:23 AM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction > > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we > should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft > top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net From rjl6n at cstone.net Wed Dec 12 07:22:33 2012 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (R. John Lye) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:22:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <646205ca60831bffc51ee311764fe2ed.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> Race car! John On Wed, December 12, 2012 8:23 am, Shawn Frank wrote: > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't > start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 07:27:03 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 08:27:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C07A943-BC01-4EBB-A415-FA22BDD936F9@yahoo.com> Carb or FI? Each have their idiosyncrasies. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Shawn Frank wrote: > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Dec 12 07:45:49 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:45:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Could it be a "street able track day car"? You'd get more seat time and pleasure for your money and leave a door open to further convert to full race later. It would make an excellent race car for sure. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-12, at 8:23 AM, "Shawn Frank" wrote: > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 07:49:35 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:49:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction Message-ID: <1355323775.66227.androidMobile@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> It is a 1980 convertible, green, with AC. It is a very nice find for the price, and would not take much to get it on the road. Should we do an Edelbrock manifold and carb? Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 08:02:07 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 07:02:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction Message-ID: <1355324527.23495.androidMobile@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> It will stay in our fleet as of right now. I agree that we should get it running and drive it. I am hoping to have 3 of our fleet heading to the KCup, including the TR8, a 71 Spitfire MKIV, and an 80 Spitfire 1500. I will try to post pics tonight, as we (friend of mine) head over to see about turning it over tonight. Cross your fingers...shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Dec 12 08:06:18 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:06:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction Message-ID: <1fd34.419073f.3df9f76a@aol.com> In a message dated 12/12/2012 8:46:14 AM Central Standard Time, vangoughv at hotmail.com writes: > Could it be a "street able track day car"? > You'd get more seat time and pleasure for your money and leave a door open > to > further convert to full race later. It would make an excellent race car > for sure. > More than a few people think that aluminum engine is one of the best engines ever built. We had one in a Buick mid-sized convertible, and it was a great little car. Pound for pound...it sure had a lot of power. Bill Dentinger From stutzmans at comcast.net Wed Dec 12 08:33:09 2012 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:33:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <004801cdd873$f8ee2e10$eaca8a30$@net> References: <20121212135616.0353640E60@autox.team.net><3647B9A2-1059-4A13-8379-AA01D0E6ED2F@aol.com> <004801cdd873$f8ee2e10$eaca8a30$@net> Message-ID: <53BEAEF7439B43D29AC2CF16136829B5@ComputerPC> Give the car and $5000 to somebody else. That way you will have only lost $5000 and none of your time. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Taylor" To: "'John Houlton'" ; "'Jim Gray'" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > The smart option is to restore it! > > Spend 2 years and $35,000 on it. Make it a beautify machine and sell it > for > $25,000. You've only lost 2 years and 10 Gs. > > Think about how much farther ahead you are than if you raced it....:) > > Richard Taylor > TR-4 196 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of John Houlton > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:07 AM > To: Jim Gray > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > Yes, race it. Race it now! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 12, 2012, at 7:45 AM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > >> Race it. >> >> >> jim g >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of Shawn Frank >> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:23 AM >> To: FOT at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction >> >> We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we >> should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft >> top, doesn't > start >> and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? >> HELP! Shawn >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhouathome at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tarch at bellsouth.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Dec 12 08:58:29 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:58:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Trans Message-ID: Advice on Synchro Rings....TR4 close ratio gears, stock case....The last ones I got from Quantumechanics lasted for almost one race weekend before the shift into 4th. Started to "grind" Now after the 3rd. Race it's starting to "grind" into 3rd. As well. What's the best choice and from where? Thanks to all..... John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 12 07:55:21 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 08:55:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8B76EDC8-E315-4B66-8CE5-13CD3B50CF4B@sbcglobal.net> Who is we? I'd say get it to run, get all of the systems back into working order, drive the car to see if you like it then decide what to do with it. D On Dec 12, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Shawn Frank wrote: > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From riverside at southslope.net Wed Dec 12 10:45:33 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:45:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2989F6793663441096461FDE760CC76F@rileyPC> WE have had a few TR8's in here. You will have the usual fuel system and hydraulics movies to attend. If you are going to have fun with it on the street, I would remove all the A/C stuff and put on an offy intake with a small holly with center pivot floats. Get some decent rubber and call it good without a big investment. Making it serious fast will eat you alive. If you don't want to fool with it, contact me off group. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Frank Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:23 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2634/5452 - Release Date: 12/11/12 From n197tr4 at cs.com Wed Dec 12 11:35:48 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:35:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup 2013 Information Sources Message-ID: <8CFA6AEA3EED886-C68-20494@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com> Well, this is exciting. I am getting a big rush of inquiries........ Host Hotel: THE OSTHOFF RESORT HOTEL osthoff.com Lots of action here with the car show and old course reenactment....short walk to historic Siebkins. Rates as I remember them: GUEST ROOM $139.00 One Bedroom Suite $159.00 Two Bedroom Suite $189.00 Three Bedroom Suite $239.00 The suites also have hideabed couches in the living room. Can be Very cost effective when shared. Use FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH when calling in for 20% discount. Use FRIEND for code if reserving online. VSCDA is the Sanctioning Body: vscda.org for all entry information as it becomes available. If you have a SCCA or other TRIUMPH outside the normal guidelines of VINTAGE/HISTORIC, please contact me. There is usually a test and tune option....and cancellation policies are quite liberal. ROAD AMERICA is the venue: roadamerica.com for all camping and gate information, as touring options. As time goes on you will see more information forthcoming from VSCDA and ROAD AMERICA on their websites and in advertising. For a lot of reasons, this is a near perfect fit for this year's KASTNER CUP. Thanks for all of the inquiries in the past few days. The more interest we have, the easier it will be for the FOT and VSCDA to get some added attention from Road America. Considerable attention is being paid to VTR and the immediately surrounding CAR CLUBS......this translates into "GATE" and added excitement for the weekend. Thanks once again, to those folks who have become our SPONSORS for the weekend. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Wed Dec 12 13:03:57 2012 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 06:03:57 +1000 Subject: [Fot] re Trans (syncro rings) Message-ID: I've given up with recent repros. i buy up every old TR or T2000 box i can find and take the genuine rings out, measure up clearances on a brand new gear and pick the best ones, typically 1st and 4th. if someone has a source of properly made rings, let us all know, but dont dare suggest the crap sold by Moss or Rimmers or County Terry O'Beirne Australia From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Wed Dec 12 13:17:13 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:17:13 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355323775.66227.androidMobile@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355323775.66227.androidMobile@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1D563084-0FF5-4593-9755-2F934C50D047@gmail.com> The engine will respond to tuning. I recall that the TR8 had a low compression engine, a less-than-ideal intake manifold, and a smog camshaft. Throttle response is greatly improved with a bump in compression and an Edelbrock carb and intake manifold. There is a lot of advice on the 'net about improving performance in these engines, which are the UK equivalent of the 350 small-block Chevy engine as far as performance experience and practice. Our 1971 Morgan Plus 8, which started life with a 3.5 Rover engine (10.25:1 compression ratio), had a rather wheezy salvaged TR8 engine in it when we bought it in 2003. The Morgan now has the same basic BOP/Rover engine but a higher compression ratio (9.35:1), an Edelbrock/Weber/Carter carburetor (easier setup than the Holley -- after all the tuning checks I ended up having changed nothing but the idle mixture and speed) and manifold, a Piper 272 camshaft and coated headers from a later Plus 8. I did port-matching only on the TR8's SD1-spec heads. It retains plenty of low-end torque but it will wind out to 6000+ rpm if one wishes. Want more power? Rover Vitesse heads would be the best stock heads (unless you want to get fancy and use a set of aluminum 1964-only Buick 300 heads; they breathe well -- you'd need to jigger the intake manifold fit and use different exhaust manifolds). There are a couple of aftermarket heads out there (Wildcat is one) but I'm not convinced they are worth the money and trouble yet. There are production versions of the BOP/Rover engine in 3.9 liter, 4.0 (those two share the same B/S but blocks are slightly different), 4.2, 4.3, 4.4, 4.5, 4.6, and 5.0 liters but several of those sizes would be hard to find in the US, having been used on TVRs and some Australian cars. The 4.0 and 4.6 injected engines are pretty plentiful and are found in Range Rovers. Probably with what amounts to an RV camshaft, though, better to lug all that weight around. The 4.6 will give 225 hp and 280 lb/ft of torque, not bad given the TR8's weight. Or if that's not enough, upgrade to a 5.2 liter version of the same engine with a little help from RPI. Use the 3.5 front timing cover if you want to stay with a distributor instead of crank-triggered ignition. Not sure what to say about your transmission's reliability, though! Duncan (Texas) On Dec 12, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Shawn Frank wrote: > It is a 1980 convertible, green, with AC. It is a very nice find for the > price, and would not take much to get it on the road. Should we do an > Edelbrock manifold and carb? Shawn From fogbro1 at comcast.net Wed Dec 12 14:56:49 2012 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Give the owner $2000 and walk away from the car. You will save thousands of dollars and many hundred of hours of your life in the long run. Ed Woods (with credit to my brother Harvey for figuring this out years ago; although I have rarely heeded this advice.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Frank" To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:23:25 AM Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! B Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fogbro1 at comcast.net From sjanzen at me.com Wed Dec 12 15:10:04 2012 From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:10:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <0602961D-5D98-4E9C-8EC1-29754ABA59DC@me.com> I don't know, folks - most of this advice would apply to any of our cars - walk away? If I cared about my wrench time and money I'd be racing a Miata. Now, maybe a TR8 is not the one most of us love, but I bet they're a hoot to drive. Go ahead - get it running - see if you like it. On Dec 12, 2012, at 4:56 PM, fogbro1 at comcast.net wrote: Give the owner $2000 and walk away from the car. You will save thousands of dollars and many hundred of hours of your life in the long run. Ed Woods (with credit to my brother Harvey for figuring this out years ago; although I have rarely heeded this advice.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Frank" To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:23:25 AM Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! B Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fogbro1 at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sjanzen at me.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Dec 12 15:30:42 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:30:42 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7FC1D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> How did this list get taken over by such soulless, fun-sucking pragmatists??? ;-) My vote - Get it running and drive it for a while before you spend any money on it. Then fall in love with it and invest thousands of dollars and weekend hours and either drive it on the street or turn it into a silly, impractical, expensive race car. Just like the rest of us. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fogbro1 at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 3:57 PM To: Shawn Frank Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction Give the owner $2000 and walk away from the car. You will save thousands of dollars and many hundred of hours of your life in the long run. Ed Woods (with credit to my brother Harvey for figuring this out years ago; although I have rarely heeded this advice.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Frank" To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:23:25 AM Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! B Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fogbro1 at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From alfetta95 at optonline.net Wed Dec 12 16:00:53 2012 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:00:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7FC1D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7FC1D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <7F17EBF8-622F-4187-8FD5-B22A336E3C5D@optonline.net> Fix it and drive the damn thing! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2012, at 5:30 PM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > How did this list get taken over by such soulless, fun-sucking pragmatists??? > ;-) > > My vote - Get it running and drive it for a while before you spend any money > on it. Then fall in love with it and invest thousands of dollars and weekend > hours and either drive it on the street or turn it into a silly, impractical, > expensive race car. Just like the rest of us. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of fogbro1 at comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 3:57 PM > To: Shawn Frank > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > Give the owner $2000 and walk away from the car. You will save thousands of > dollars and many hundred of hours of your life in the long run. > > > > Ed Woods (with credit to my brother Harvey for figuring this out years ago; > although I have rarely heeded this advice.) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Shawn Frank" > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:23:25 AM > Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction > > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! B Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fogbro1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/alfetta95 at optonline.net From rikrock at live.com Wed Dec 12 16:22:46 2012 From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:22:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Amici, I'm Vice-President of the Pennsylvania Hillclimb Association (PHA), a PHA tech inspector, and chairman of the Pagoda Hillclimb and Duryea Hillclimb in Reading, PA, so I should be able to answer any questions about PHA events, but here's some of the basic stuff: Our hillclimbs are sanctioned by the SCCA. In order to compete, a driver must be an SCCA member or hold a competition license from one of the VMC groups or some other road-race sanctioning body. In that case you'll just need to purchase an SCCA weekend membership ($15) at registration. Entry fees range from $145-$160. It's a two-day event, Saturday and Sunday. We run rain or shine. Number of runs you get depends on many things. On the longest hill with a large (100 entries) turnout, you might only get three runs each day. On the shorter hills with not as many entries you could get 6-8 runs each day. Not a lot of seat time compared to road racing, but the intensity is extremely high! Our hillclimbs are held on paved public roads which are in good to excellent condition. Got a really low car? Not a problem. Safety requirements are very similar to road racing. Full nomex, SA 2005 or newer helmet, minimum 5-point harness, fire extinguisher or system, a hillclimb-legal rollbar or cage (depends on the car). If you're an SCCA racer, or a vintage racer, you and your car are most likely equipped with everything you need to pass tech. Autocross cars, maybe, maybe not. The roll bar needs to be above the top of your helmet, so most "street" roll bars are not adequate. Pagoda Hillclimb (1.35 miles long) will be June 22-23 and Duryea 2.2 miles long will be August 17-18. We would love to have several FOT drivers show up! Feel free to get in touch with me any time and I'll be happy to answer any questions. Rich Rock From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Dec 12 16:38:38 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:38:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7FC1D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7FC1D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: YES Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-12, at 5:30 PM, "Barr, Scott" wrote: > How did this list get taken over by such soulless, fun-sucking pragmatists??? > ;-) > > My vote - Get it running and drive it for a while before you spend any money > on it. Then fall in love with it and invest thousands of dollars and weekend > hours and either drive it on the street or turn it into a silly, impractical, > expensive race car. Just like the rest of us. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of fogbro1 at comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 3:57 PM > To: Shawn Frank > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > Give the owner $2000 and walk away from the car. You will save thousands of > dollars and many hundred of hours of your life in the long run. > > > > Ed Woods (with credit to my brother Harvey for figuring this out years ago; > although I have rarely heeded this advice.) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Shawn Frank" > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:23:25 AM > Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction > > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! B Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fogbro1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed Dec 12 17:22:24 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:22:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Trans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50C91FC0.9060703@blacksburg.net> On 12/12/2012 10:58 AM, john hasty wrote: > Advice on Synchro Rings....TR4 close ratio gears, stock case....The last > ones I got from Quantumechanics lasted for almost one race weekend before > the shift into 4th. Started to "grind" Now after the 3rd. Race it's > starting to "grind" into 3rd. As well. What's the best choice and from > where? > Thanks to all..... > John, I bought my last set from BFE. Ken's are almost too good, in that I had to shave 2 just a tad so the gbx would engage. They've held up really well (admittedly they haven't yet been pushed hard). They're a bit spendier than the usual suspects, but considering the time/effort required to pull the gbx, I think they're a good deal. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 12 17:51:14 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:51:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4A Exhaust Manifold Message-ID: A M I C I A friend of mine is rebuilding the engine in his very nice street TR4A. He is in need of the stock exhaust manifold - that's four into two. Anyone have one or know of one for sale? Thanks From kaskas at cox.net Wed Dec 12 18:19:55 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:19:55 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: East Coast FOTs... In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I started out with hillclimbs in Colorado in the middle 50's then progressed to road racing. It just a natural progression and I highly recommend that to any that are thinking about racing some time in the future. it still gives me pleasure that when I was running the Competition Department I put the Penn. State Hillclimb Assoc on the list for support and provided them funds during my time there. Good place to start. It takes concentration and the ability to determine your own speed as you do not have anyone close to see if you are fast or slow. GREAT stuff. Never be beaten by equipment > From: rikrock at live.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:22:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] East Coast FOTs... > > Amici, > > > > > > I'm Vice-President of the Pennsylvania Hillclimb Association (PHA), a PHA tech > inspector, and chairman of the Pagoda Hillclimb and Duryea Hillclimb in > Reading, PA, so I should be able to answer any questions about PHA events, but > here's some of the basic stuff: > > Our hillclimbs are sanctioned by the SCCA. In order to compete, a driver must > be an SCCA member or hold a competition license from one of the VMC groups or > some other road-race sanctioning body. In that case you'll just need to > purchase an SCCA weekend membership ($15) at registration. > > Entry fees range from $145-$160. It's a two-day event, Saturday and Sunday. > We run rain or shine. Number of runs you get depends on many things. On the > longest hill with a large (100 entries) turnout, you might only get three runs > each day. On the shorter hills with not as many entries you could get 6-8 > runs each day. Not a lot of seat time compared to road racing, but the > intensity is extremely high! > > Our hillclimbs are held on paved public roads which are in good to excellent > condition. Got a really low car? Not a problem. > > Safety requirements are very similar to road racing. Full nomex, SA 2005 or > newer helmet, minimum 5-point harness, fire extinguisher or system, a > hillclimb-legal rollbar or cage (depends on the car). If you're an SCCA > racer, or a vintage racer, you and your car are most likely equipped with > everything you need to pass tech. Autocross cars, maybe, maybe not. The roll > bar needs to be above the top of your helmet, so most "street" roll bars are > not adequate. > > Pagoda Hillclimb (1.35 miles long) will be June 22-23 and Duryea 2.2 miles > long will be August 17-18. We would love to have several FOT drivers show up! > Feel free to get in touch with me any time and I'll be happy to answer any > questions. > > Rich Rock > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From jibjib at att.net Wed Dec 12 18:21:16 2012 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:21:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76C82B6D236948BDAB41AF8A74D6F139@EntCentPC> I own one. Get it running and drive it for a while, then come back and ask us. Remember this started out as a GM engine, so crossover parts are plentyful. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Shawn Frank Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:23 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Dec 12 18:55:20 2012 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:55:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction Message-ID: <10f7a.6eb81ef8.3dfa8f88@aol.com> Myself, I'd really like to have a TR8 so if the decisions get too difficult give me a shout;-)) In a message dated 12/12/2012 5:22:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jibjib at att.net writes: I own one. Get it running and drive it for a while, then come back and ask us. Remember this started out as a GM engine, so crossover parts are plentyful. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Shawn Frank Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:23 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? HELP! Shawn Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 19:20:28 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:20:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <10f7a.6eb81ef8.3dfa8f88@aol.com> References: <10f7a.6eb81ef8.3dfa8f88@aol.com> Message-ID: <2E4B6EFC-95B2-415E-A073-4E50ACF5EBD5@yahoo.com> I would like to have one of every Triumph made, but my garage is only so big, and I am married. Ty Tyler Thompson l National Account Executive - Public Safety Sector esri | One International Court | Broomfield, CO 80021 Phone: 303.449-7779 ext. 8260, cell: 719.510-1649 | E-mail: tyler_thompson at esri.com Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Dec 12, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > Myself, I'd really like to have a TR8 so if the decisions get too difficult > give me a shout;-)) > > > In a message dated 12/12/2012 5:22:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > jibjib at att.net writes: > > I own one. Get it running and drive it for a while, then come back and > ask > us. Remember this started out as a GM engine, so crossover parts are > plentyful. > > Jack > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Shawn Frank > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:23 AM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction > > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't > start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From tr6driver at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 19:39:00 2012 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:39:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <2E4B6EFC-95B2-415E-A073-4E50ACF5EBD5@yahoo.com> References: <10f7a.6eb81ef8.3dfa8f88@aol.com> <2E4B6EFC-95B2-415E-A073-4E50ACF5EBD5@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1355366340.27538.YahooMailNeo@web121601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Ty, Boy, do I feel lucky (blessed) right now. Between myself and my wife, we own 8 1/6 (1/6 interest in a TR6 racecar) Triumphs and another British car, in addition to the 4 or so "regular" vehicles. And I still have to stop her every time she sees a Viper... She just read this over my shoulder and reminded me I "owe" her another car. No, she doesn't have a sister. Two brothers only. Smiling, Jamie P.S. We too have limited garage space...so she wants to sell the house and move into something with (her words) "a 12-car garage with living space attached." I came home today to find she had finished painting the bathroom and started on the kitchen, so she's really serious about selling this house. I am a lucky man! >________________________________ >From: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" >To: "Gt6steve at aol.com" >Cc: "FOT at autox.team.net" >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:20 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > >I would like to have one of every Triumph made, but my garage is only so big, >and I am married. > >Ty > >Tyler Thompson l National Account Executive - Public Safety Sector >esri | One International Court | Broomfield, CO 80021 >Phone: 303.449-7779 ext. 8260, cell: 719.510-1649 | >E-mail: tyler_thompson at esri.com > > >Sent from my iPad >(Please excuse any errors or typos) > >On Dec 12, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > >> Myself, I'd really like to have a TR8 so if the decisions get too difficult >> give me a shout;-)) >> >> >> In a message dated 12/12/2012 5:22:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> jibjib at att.net writes: >> >> I own one. Get it running and drive it for a while, then come back and >> ask >> us. Remember this started out as a GM engine, so crossover parts are >> plentyful. >> >> Jack >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Shawn Frank >> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:23 AM >> To: FOT at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction >> >> We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do >> with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't >> start >> and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? >> HELP! Shawn >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com/ >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com/ >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com/ > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 19:43:15 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:43:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355366340.27538.YahooMailNeo@web121601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <10f7a.6eb81ef8.3dfa8f88@aol.com> <2E4B6EFC-95B2-415E-A073-4E50ACF5EBD5@yahoo.com> <1355366340.27538.YahooMailNeo@web121601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: LMFAO Clone her and you will be a millionaire! BTW, my wife had to have the "Hemi" in her Jeep, so she has similar race loving qualities... Ty Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Dec 12, 2012, at 7:39 PM, Jamie Palmer wrote: > Ty, > > Boy, do I feel lucky (blessed) right now. Between myself and my wife, we own 8 1/6 (1/6 interest in a TR6 racecar) Triumphs and another British car, in addition to the 4 or so "regular" vehicles. And I still have to stop her every time she sees a Viper... > > She just read this over my shoulder and reminded me I "owe" her another car. > > No, she doesn't have a sister. Two brothers only. > > Smiling, > > Jamie > > P.S. We too have limited garage space...so she wants to sell the house and move into something with (her words) "a 12-car garage with living space attached." I came home today to find she had finished painting the bathroom and started on the kitchen, so she's really serious about selling this house. I am a lucky man! > > From: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" > To: "Gt6steve at aol.com" > Cc: "FOT at autox.team.net" > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:20 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > I would like to have one of every Triumph made, but my garage is only so big, > and I am married. > > Ty > > Tyler Thompson l National Account Executive - Public Safety Sector > esri | One International Court | Broomfield, CO 80021 > Phone: 303.449-7779 ext. 8260, cell: 719.510-1649 | > E-mail: tyler_thompson at esri.com > > > Sent from my iPad > (Please excuse any errors or typos) > > On Dec 12, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: > > > Myself, I'd really like to have a TR8 so if the decisions get too difficult > > give me a shout;-)) > > > > > > In a message dated 12/12/2012 5:22:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > jibjib at att.net writes: > > > > I own one. Get it running and drive it for a while, then come back and > > ask > > us. Remember this started out as a GM engine, so crossover parts are > > plentyful. > > > > Jack > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of Shawn Frank > > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 5:23 AM > > To: FOT at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction > > > > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't > > start > > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > > HELP! Shawn > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jibjib at att.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com/ > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gt6steve at aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com/ > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com/ > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver at yahoo.com From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Thu Dec 13 06:13:04 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:13:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8B76EDC8-E315-4B66-8CE5-13CD3B50CF4B@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: We are a group of Triumph racers, we talk about race cars here. You opened the door, now you have to race it. :-) That being said... I have TR8 street car with all the right stuff done to it and holy crap... All that power on an 88 inch wheelbase with street tires will keep your attention. So, yeah, it's a real hoot. But unlocking the potential of a stock TR8 is real money and time... If you are starting with a stock example, take a long look at the specs from the factory. Then think of what it will cost to make it what you really want. ----- Original Message ----- > On Dec 12, 2012, at 7:23 AM, Shawn Frank wrote: > >> We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should >> do >> with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't > start >> and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? >> HELP! Shawn From tedtsimx at bright.net Thu Dec 13 06:54:50 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:54:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Trans In-Reply-To: <50C91FC0.9060703@blacksburg.net> References: <50C91FC0.9060703@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <50C9DE2A.5060507@bright.net> The quality of the synchro rings has not improved withthe current crop. For years the best solution was to take good OE used synchro rings and machine .010" off the face. this buries the ring further onto the "cone". The syhchro operates by the machined "ridges" gripping the cone and slowing down the gear. Machining the face gets you past the worn "ridges and offers a grip as is new. Ted On 12/12/2012 7:22 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > On 12/12/2012 10:58 AM, john hasty wrote: >> Advice on Synchro Rings....TR4 close ratio gears, stock case....The last >> ones I got from Quantumechanics lasted for almost one race weekend >> before >> the shift into 4th. Started to "grind" Now after the 3rd. Race it's >> starting to "grind" into 3rd. As well. What's the best choice and from >> where? >> Thanks to all..... > John, I bought my last set from BFE. Ken's are almost too good, in > that I had to shave 2 just a tad so the gbx would engage. They've held > up really well (admittedly they haven't yet been pushed hard). > They're a bit spendier than the usual suspects, but considering the > time/effort required to pull the gbx, I think they're a good deal. > > jim > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Dec 13 07:28:04 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 09:28:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355323775.66227.androidMobile@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355323775.66227.androidMobile@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for advice on TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. My vote: race car. The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy one and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to zero. Sad, ut true. That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to TR8 and performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Thu Dec 13 10:17:07 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:17:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I for one don't give a hoot about re-sale price. I have bags of money and time in my TR4 and wouldn't recover but a fraction of it if I ever chose to sell it. I do it becau se I love the sport and I love the car and I love the continued developement. The rewards ( for me ) cannot be measured in dollars .B We are all on budgets otherwise this would be Friends of Ferrari or Friends of Aston Martin or some such thing. If you love the car and have a vision for it's future just go for it and don't listen to people that try to put a value on your car. just my .02. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "Shawn Frank" Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:28:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction Hi, There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for advice on TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. My vote: race car. The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy one and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to zero. Sad, ut true. That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to TR8 and B performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 13 10:29:22 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 09:29:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Forums Message-ID: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum on Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a link I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank you in advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the only forum I can find right now..Shawn From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Dec 13 10:47:07 2012 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:47:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More Message-ID: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> Mark Bradakis, I tried to direct Shawn to Scions of Lucas site, but didnt do a good job of it. Can you help him find the list to subscribe to these other lists? Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in vintage racing...time marches on. > Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum > on Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a > link I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank you > in advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the only > forum I can find right now..Shawn > _______________________________________________ > From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 11:07:01 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:07:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I will agree to that..a TR-4 can be just as exspensive...all in what you want. On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:17 PM, wrote: > I for one don't give a hoot about re-sale price. I have bags of money and > time > in my TR4 > > and wouldn't recover but a fraction of it if I ever chose to sell it. I do > it > becau se I love the > > sport and I love the car and I love the continued developement. > > The rewards ( for me ) cannot be measured in dollars .B We are all on > budgets > otherwise this > > would be Friends of Ferrari or Friends of Aston Martin or some such thing. > > If you love the car and have a vision for it's future just go for it and > don't > listen to people that > > try to put a value on your car. > > just my .02. > > Jim G. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: "Shawn Frank" > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:28:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > Hi, > > There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for advice on > TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. > > My vote: race car. > > The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy one > and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to > zero. Sad, ut true. > > That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to TR8 > and B performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space > for > rent > Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | > Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: > 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From rfdeanes at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 11:15:06 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:15:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Forums In-Reply-To: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Try the Triumph Wedge Association forum for TR-7/8 may have some info for you On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Shawn Frank wrote: > Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum > on Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a > link I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank you > in advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the only > forum I can find right now..Shawn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From mark at bradakis.com Thu Dec 13 11:40:47 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:40:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Forums In-Reply-To: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50CA212F.2080709@bradakis.com> Shawn Frank wrote: > Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum on Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a link I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? The Team.Net email lists are listed at http://www.team.net/mailman/listinfo The Team.Net forums are currently broken. I really need to get those working again! mjb. From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 13 16:16:37 2012 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:16:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Forums References: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1355440597.1346.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I don't think Mark has the Wedge list. Goggle Triumph Wedge Owners Association; you should find information on the Wedge mail list. ________________________________ From: Shawn Frank To: "FOT at autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:29 AM Subject: [Fot] Forums Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum on Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a link I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank you in advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the only forum I can find right now..Shawn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From macdonaldp at rogers.com Thu Dec 13 17:58:54 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:58:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Forums In-Reply-To: <1355440597.1346.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <1355440597.1346.YahooMailNeo@web140602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005701cdd996$30c3ea00$924bbe00$@rogers.com> http://www.team.net/TR7/Mailing-List.html It is one of Mark's And very active...thanks Mark -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ernest Husmann Sent: December 13, 2012 6:17 PM To: Shawn Frank; FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Forums I don't think Mark has the Wedge list. Goggle Triumph Wedge Owners Association; you should find information on the Wedge mail list. ________________________________ From: Shawn Frank To: "FOT at autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:29 AM Subject: [Fot] Forums Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum on Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a link I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank you in advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the only forum I can find right now..Shawn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Dec 13 18:30:29 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 20:30:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] RON SHARP SCCA OFFICIAL TO University of Iowa Hospitals Message-ID: <8CFA7B1BC42A013-1C3C-6A74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> If you had any kind of long term relationship with SCCA you may know Ron Sharp as a long time racer and SCCA Official. He is leaving Florida for treatment of cancer in Iowa. I have emails with more detail, if you wish to know more. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From igofaster at att.net Thu Dec 13 22:27:46 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:27:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved in a business decision" ... heck, the amount of money most of us spend to try to make these cars do something they were never intended to do is not financially responsible... we do it because we love the marque, hence, emotion over rules sound financial strategy... Merry Christmas ya'll..... Bobby To: Robert M. Lang Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, December 13, 2012 11:17:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction I for one don't give a hoot about re-sale price. I have bags of money and time in my TR4 and wouldn't recover but a fraction of it if I ever chose to sell it. I do it becau se I love the sport and I love the car and I love the continued developement. The rewards ( for me ) cannot be measured in dollars .B We are all on budgets otherwise this would be Friends of Ferrari or Friends of Aston Martin or some such thing. If you love the car and have a vision for it's future just go for it and don't listen to people that try to put a value on your car. just my .02. Jim G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "Shawn Frank" Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:28:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction Hi, There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for advice on TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. My vote: race car. The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy one and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to zero. Sad, ut true. That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to TR8 and B performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From kaskas at cox.net Thu Dec 13 23:15:57 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 06:15:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: All I ever wanted was to go FAST or even FASTER than everyone else.. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:27:46 -0800 > From: igofaster at att.net > To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved in a > business decision" ... heck, the amount of money most of us spend to try to make > these cars do something they were never intended to do is not financially > responsible... we do it because we love the marque, hence, emotion over rules > sound financial strategy... > Merry Christmas ya'll..... > > Bobby > To: Robert M. Lang > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, December 13, 2012 11:17:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > I for one don't give a hoot about re-sale price. I have bags of money and time > in my TR4 > > and wouldn't recover but a fraction of it if I ever chose to sell it. I do it > becau se I love the > > sport and I love the car and I love the continued developement. > > The rewards ( for me ) cannot be measured in dollars .B We are all on budgets > otherwise this > > would be Friends of Ferrari or Friends of Aston Martin or some such thing. > > If you love the car and have a vision for it's future just go for it and don't > listen to people that > > try to put a value on your car. > > just my .02. > > Jim G. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: "Shawn Frank" > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:28:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > Hi, > > There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for advice on > TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. > > My vote: race car. > > The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy one > and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to > zero. Sad, ut true. > > That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to TR8 > and B performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang B B B B B B B Triumph TR6!! B B B B B B | B This space for > rent > Former NER Solo Chair B B B B B B B B B B B B B | > Voice:617-253-7438 B B B B B B B B B B B B B B | B Cell: > 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From tjwakeman at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 05:41:16 2012 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:41:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved in a > business decision" . And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. TeriAnn From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 06:12:25 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:12:25 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> Message-ID: Once you sit inside one you will have a totally different feel because it isn't anything like a 3,4,6 or a GT, to me ...really different and nice...modern.....can almost feel the speed and from what I hear (mine isn't running yet) they handle better than a TR-6. good luck with the car and Merry Christmas to all. On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 7:41 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get >> involved in a >> business decision" . >> > And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with passion > and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. > > My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on the > steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while and see > where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. > > > TeriAnn > > ______________________________**_________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Fri Dec 14 06:13:18 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:13:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> Message-ID: <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the wheel of a well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. We spec decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are kept to a minimum, if any. You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me 4 cars that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell and a cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint job. Then do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and harness, and you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you could even drive the thing to the track! How cool would that be? Who's in??? Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in > vintage racing...time marches on. From clw2000 at msn.com Fri Dec 14 06:22:54 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:22:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com>, <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: Interesting idea. Better looking than Miatas for sure. Cheap too! But only one within 500 miles of me in SC on EBay or CL. Thanks, Chuck Watson Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:13:18 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] Wedges > > As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. > Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the wheel of a > well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. > > One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I > envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. We spec > decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good > spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are kept to a > minimum, if any. > > You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me 4 cars > that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell and a > cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint job. Then > do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and harness, and > you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you could even drive > the thing to the track! > > How cool would that be? > > Who's in??? > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > > > Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in > > vintage racing...time marches on. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri Dec 14 06:57:21 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:57:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1355493441.37569.YahooMailClassic@web181405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I'm in! It'll give me something fun to do with my Pimento '75. -Ed- --- On Fri, 12/14/12, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com Subject: [Fot] Wedges To: FOT at autox.team.net Date: Friday, December 14, 2012, 7:13 AM As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the wheel of a well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. We spec decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are kept to a minimum, if any. You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me 4 cars that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell and a cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint job. Then do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and harness, and you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you could even drive the thing to the track! How cool would that be? Who's in??? Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in > vintage racing...time marches on. _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From kkjjk at aol.com Fri Dec 14 07:37:43 2012 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:37:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com>, <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <8CFA81FB58C695A-878-A28B@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> Sorry to enter this discussion after seeing only a few comments............TR7/8s are "Like nobody else's car".............They are truly very cool...........I have a racing GT6 that I have never had out on the track. I live in Maryland. Is there anyone whom can give me some guidance on how I can get it on the track somewhere around here (Summit Point, etc)? I only have one seat in it and I have been told that I need to have an instructor in the car with me before they will let me out on my own. Is this true? I would rather not have to put another seat in it. Any help would be great! Thanks- Jay De Pol -----Original Message----- From: Charles WATSON To: yellow04 ; FOT List Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 8:23 am Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges Interesting idea. Better looking than Miatas for sure. Cheap too! But only one within 500 miles of me in SC on EBay or CL. Thanks, Chuck Watson Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:13:18 -0500 > Subject: [Fot] Wedges > > As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. > Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the wheel of a > well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. > > One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I > envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. We spec > decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good > spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are kept to a > minimum, if any. > > You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me 4 cars > that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell and a > cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint job. Then > do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and harness, and > you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you could even drive > the thing to the track! > > How cool would that be? > > Who's in??? > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > > > Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in > > vintage racing...time marches on. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com From rfdeanes at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 08:16:15 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:16:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <8CFA81FB58C695A-878-A28B@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <8CFA81FB58C695A-878-A28B@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Henry , I'm in as I have two coupes, have thought many times over and over wheather to develope one into a racer, and many camp fires with the "getto" crowd on just what you are talking about, are we sticking with the 7 engine , lets get it rolling or more planning, On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM, wrote: > Sorry to enter this discussion after seeing only a few > comments............TR7/8s are "Like nobody else's car".............They > are > truly very cool...........I have a racing GT6 that I have never had out on > the > track. I live in Maryland. Is there anyone whom can give me some > guidance on > how I can get it on the track somewhere around here (Summit Point, etc)? I > only have one seat in it and I have been told that I need to have an > instructor in the car with me before they will let me out on my own. Is > this > true? I would rather not have to put another seat in it. Any help would > be > great! Thanks- Jay De Pol > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles WATSON > To: yellow04 ; FOT List > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 8:23 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > > Interesting idea. Better looking than Miatas for sure. Cheap too! But > only > one within 500 miles of me in SC on EBay or CL. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers > Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > > > > > > > > > > > From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > To: FOT at autox.team.net > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:13:18 -0500 > > Subject: [Fot] Wedges > > > > As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. > > Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the wheel > of > a > > well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. > > > > One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I > > envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. We > spec > > decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good > > spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are kept > to a > > minimum, if any. > > > > You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me 4 > cars > > that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell and > a > > cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint job. > Then > > do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and harness, > and > > you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you could even > drive > > the thing to the track! > > > > How cool would that be? > > > > Who's in??? > > > > Henry > > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > > > > > Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in > > > vintage racing...time marches on. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Dec 14 08:33:00 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:33:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Wedges Message-ID: <6735.2b4274e3.3dfca0ac@aol.com> In a message dated 12/14/2012 9:16:26 AM Central Standard Time, rfdeanes at gmail.com writes: > Henry , I'm in as I have two coupes, have thought many times over and > over > wheather to develope one into a racer, and many camp fires with the > "getto" > crowd on just what you are talking about, are we sticking with the 7 > engine > , lets get it rolling or more planning, > I do not know if they are still active, but years ago there was an outfit in Garland, Texas (John's Cars?) that made a career out of putting V6s into TR7s, and claiming the result to be superior to the TR8. This was in the mid-1980s. I almost bought a 'conversion kit' (I had a TR7 fixed head coupe) at the time, but my attention wandered. Don't know if they are still around. Bill Dentinger From emanteno at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 08:42:38 2012 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:42:38 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <6735.2b4274e3.3dfca0ac@aol.com> References: <6735.2b4274e3.3dfca0ac@aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:33 AM, wrote: I do not know if they are still active, but years ago there was an outfit > in Garland, Texas (John's Cars?) that made a career out of putting V6s into > TR7s, and claiming the result to be superior to the TR8. This was in the > mid-1980s. I almost bought a 'conversion kit' (I had a TR7 fixed head > coupe) > at the time, but my attention wandered. Don't know if they are still > around. > They are. http://www.johnscars.com/ From riverside at southslope.net Fri Dec 14 08:53:57 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:53:57 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <6735.2b4274e3.3dfca0ac@aol.com> References: <6735.2b4274e3.3dfca0ac@aol.com> Message-ID: <88A951F72C42455188D2EE93105DB267@rileyPC> One of the locals put a 3.8 and 5 speed from a Camaro in a TR7 convertible and it was a very nice car. not as much grunt as the TR8 Holly conversion we did but still a very nice ride and 30 MPG. art de armond -----Original Message----- From: BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:33 AM To: rfdeanes at gmail.com ; kkjjk at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges In a message dated 12/14/2012 9:16:26 AM Central Standard Time, rfdeanes at gmail.com writes: > Henry , I'm in as I have two coupes, have thought many times over and > over > wheather to develope one into a racer, and many camp fires with the > "getto" > crowd on just what you are talking about, are we sticking with the 7 > engine > , lets get it rolling or more planning, > I do not know if they are still active, but years ago there was an outfit in Garland, Texas (John's Cars?) that made a career out of putting V6s into TR7s, and claiming the result to be superior to the TR8. This was in the mid-1980s. I almost bought a 'conversion kit' (I had a TR7 fixed head coupe) at the time, but my attention wandered. Don't know if they are still around. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2634/5457 - Release Date: 12/13/12 From doddk at mossmotors.com Fri Dec 14 09:04:14 2012 From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Kelvin Dodd) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:04:14 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, when there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a waste. I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and I realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked effectively! The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority of classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is not a Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a market niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html Kelvin Dodd 1980 TR8 1980 SD1 Other stuff ________________________________ From: Shawn Frank To: "FOT at autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:29 AM Subject: [Fot] Forums Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum on Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a link I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank you in advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the only forum I can find right now..Shawn _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com From: "Robert M. Lang" To: "Shawn Frank" Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:28:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction Hi, There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for advice on TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. My vote: race car. The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy one and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to zero. Sad, ut true. That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to TR8 and B performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. regards, rml Message: 6 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:41:16 -0700 From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction Message-ID: <50CB1E6C.8030501 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved in a > business decision" . And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. TeriAnn From harmug at us.ibm.com Fri Dec 14 09:09:58 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:09:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 73, Issue 26 TR7 spec racer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nothing good can come from this. I followed your suggestion, Look at Craigslist for a wedge. Found a guy 10 minutes from me (Poughkeepsie, NY) selling 3 of them, one on the road, two needing work and another cars worth of parts, all for $1400. The catch is you need to take everything. Didn't go over well on the home front. CL link if someone wants to take a look http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/cto/3443095179.html The good from this, found a just listed TR8, 20 minutes form me, hoping to look at it Saturday. mike G. Michael Harmuth 4 spits and a GT6 From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Dec 14 09:17:55 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:17:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <8CFA81FB58C695A-878-A28B@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002b01cdda16$93747130$ba5d5390$@rogers.com> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh9QFFabp2g&lc=f3pYT468USF0IKld1aVk3LsG-btQ_b BNnO0mCWj128o&lch=email&feature=em-comment_received A video of a vintage TR7 that ran GT2 back in the day. I restored it and recently sold it to someone who intends to race it this coming year. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Deanes Sent: December 14, 2012 10:16 AM To: kkjjk at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges Henry , I'm in as I have two coupes, have thought many times over and over wheather to develope one into a racer, and many camp fires with the "getto" crowd on just what you are talking about, are we sticking with the 7 engine , lets get it rolling or more planning, On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM, wrote: > Sorry to enter this discussion after seeing only a few > comments............TR7/8s are "Like nobody else's > car".............They are truly very cool...........I have a racing > GT6 that I have never had out on the track. I live in Maryland. Is > there anyone whom can give me some guidance on how I can get it on the > track somewhere around here (Summit Point, etc)? I only have one seat > in it and I have been told that I need to have an instructor in the > car with me before they will let me out on my own. Is this true? I > would rather not have to put another seat in it. Any help would be > great! Thanks- Jay De Pol > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles WATSON > To: yellow04 ; FOT List > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 8:23 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > > Interesting idea. Better looking than Miatas for sure. Cheap too! > But only one within 500 miles of me in SC on EBay or CL. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers > Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > > > > > > > > > > > From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > To: FOT at autox.team.net > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:13:18 -0500 > > Subject: [Fot] Wedges > > > > As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. > > Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the > > wheel > of > a > > well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. > > > > One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I > > envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. > > We > spec > > decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good > > spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are > > kept > to a > > minimum, if any. > > > > You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me > > 4 > cars > > that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell > > and > a > > cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint job. > Then > > do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and > > harness, > and > > you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you could > > even > drive > > the thing to the track! > > > > How cool would that be? > > > > Who's in??? > > > > Henry > > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > > > > > Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our > > > future in vintage racing...time marches on. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Fri Dec 14 10:04:50 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:04:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Message-ID: <8A5B770EC20B47AC9206D67F4B912B43@hpd530> Hi All, If anyone really wants a TR7, I have one. '77, 5 speed, interior good, body decent, low compression on #4 cylinder. Make me a reasonable offer. (I can't get out of the darned thing! Tough getting old! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelvin Dodd" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:04 AM Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, > when > there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a > waste. > > I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and > I > realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked > effectively! > > The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority > of > classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. > > Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is > not a > Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a > market > niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the > heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. > > I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. > > > You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. > > http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html > > > > > > Kelvin Dodd > 1980 TR8 > 1980 SD1 > Other stuff > > > ________________________________ > From: Shawn Frank > To: "FOT at autox.team.net" > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:29 AM > Subject: [Fot] Forums > > Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 forum > on > Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is there a > link > I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank you in > advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the only forum > I > can find right now..Shawn _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com > > > > From: "Robert M. Lang" > To: "Shawn Frank" > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:28:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > Hi, > > There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for advice on > TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. > > My vote: race car. > > The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy one > and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to > zero. Sad, ut true. > > That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to TR8 > and B performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. > > regards, > rml > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:41:16 -0700 > From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > Message-ID: <50CB1E6C.8030501 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get >> involved > in a >> business decision" . > And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with > passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. > > My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on > the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while > and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. > > > TeriAnn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 14 10:07:36 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:07:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Message-ID: <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Kelvin, is right, according to John Clancy's well done DVD histories on Triumphs. I think I remember seeing a MG 'trial badge' on a TR7 while watching his DVD on TR7/8s. That being said, they still are in our TRIUMPH FAMILY and I suspect we need to bring them into vintage racing. A 'spec' category such as Henry suggests seems like good place to start. Kudos to Shawn Frank for launching this thread. A couple of years ago, it might not have gone anywhere. Its time has come? Once again, I recommend the John Clancy series on TRIUMPH HISTORY. -----Original Message----- From: Kelvin Dodd To: 'fot at autox.team.net' Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 10:04 am Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, when there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a waste. I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and I realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked effectively! The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority of classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is not a Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a market niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html Kelvin Dodd 1980 TR8 1980 SD1 Other stuff ________________________________ From levilevi at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 10:52:15 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:52:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: <8A5B770EC20B47AC9206D67F4B912B43@hpd530> References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> <8A5B770EC20B47AC9206D67F4B912B43@hpd530> Message-ID: <522C793E-5D88-4C94-B21A-1169F2DF4683@comcast.net> And I have a BOP 215 V8 engine that could go in it or any of the wedges I'd entertain unreasonable offers just to move it into the mix. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Dec 14, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Bill Tobin wrote: > Hi All, > If anyone really wants a TR7, I have one. '77, 5 speed, interior > good, body decent, low compression on #4 cylinder. > Make me a reasonable offer. > (I can't get out of the darned thing! Tough getting old! > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelvin Dodd" > > To: > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:04 AM > Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > >> It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race >> car, when >> there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of >> a waste. >> >> I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to >> rain and I >> realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually >> worked >> effectively! >> >> The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the >> majority of >> classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great >> value. >> >> Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover >> SD1 is not a >> Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to >> fit a market >> niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without >> the >> heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. >> >> I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. >> >> >> You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. >> >> http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html >> >> >> >> >> >> Kelvin Dodd >> 1980 TR8 >> 1980 SD1 >> Other stuff >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Shawn Frank >> To: "FOT at autox.team.net" >> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 11:29 AM >> Subject: [Fot] Forums >> >> Excuse my ignorance, but how do I get to the forums such as the TR8 >> forum on >> Friends of Triumph? I can't seem to find it on the website. Is >> there a link >> I can follow to explore the different email lists or forums? Thank >> you in >> advance, and sorry this is not competition related. This is the >> only forum I >> can find right now..Shawn >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ehusmann53 at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> From: "Robert M. Lang" >> To: "Shawn Frank" >> Cc: FOT at autox.team.net >> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 7:28:04 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction >> >> Hi, >> >> There's a "wedge" mail list that might be a place to fish for >> advice on >> TR8's... you might want to sign up for that. >> >> My vote: race car. >> >> The sale price of TR8's is hovering at close to zero, so if you buy >> one >> and toss bags -o -money at it, you'll still have a TR8 worth close to >> zero. Sad, ut true. >> >> That said, there's a bunch of folks on the wedge list that cater to >> TR8 >> and B performance, so it's a pretty good place to start. >> >> regards, >> rml >> Message: 6 >> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:41:16 -0700 >> From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction >> Message-ID: <50CB1E6C.8030501 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get >>> involved >> in a >>> business decision" . >> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >> >> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand >> on >> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a >> while >> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >> >> >> TeriAnn >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From horizonracing at msn.com Fri Dec 14 11:01:58 2012 From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:01:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> References: , <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net>, <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: if you really want to see how a TR8 should go, search out "Tony Pond" on youtube from the early/mid 80's in the UK rally championship. The ulster and manx rally's. > To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:07:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > Kelvin, is right, according to John Clancy's well done DVD histories on > Triumphs. > > I think I remember seeing a MG 'trial badge' on a TR7 while watching his DVD > on TR7/8s. > > That being said, they still are in our TRIUMPH FAMILY and I suspect we need to > bring them into vintage racing. > > A 'spec' category such as Henry suggests seems like good place to start. > > Kudos to Shawn Frank for launching this thread. A couple of years ago, it > might not have gone anywhere. Its time has come? > > Once again, I recommend the John Clancy series on TRIUMPH HISTORY. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelvin Dodd > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 10:04 am > Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, when > there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a waste. > > I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and I > realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked > effectively! > > The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority of > classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. > > Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is not a > Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a market > niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the > heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. > > I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. > > > You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. > > http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html > > > > > > Kelvin Dodd > 1980 TR8 > 1980 SD1 > Other stuff > > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 14 11:07:53 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:07:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: References: , <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net>, <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> I was also highly entertained by what BUFFETT and his wife did on rallies Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: n197tr4 ; doddk ; fot Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:01 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] TR8 Direction if you really want to see how a TR8 should go, search out "Tony Pond" on youtube from the early/mid 80's in the UK rally championship. The ulster and manx rally's. > To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:07:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > Kelvin, is right, according to John Clancy's well done DVD histories on > Triumphs. > > I think I remember seeing a MG 'trial badge' on a TR7 while watching his DVD > on TR7/8s. > > That being said, they still are in our TRIUMPH FAMILY and I suspect we need to > bring them into vintage racing. > > A 'spec' category such as Henry suggests seems like good place to start. > > Kudos to Shawn Frank for launching this thread. A couple of years ago, it > might not have gone anywhere. Its time has come? > > Once again, I recommend the John Clancy series on TRIUMPH HISTORY. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelvin Dodd > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 10:04 am > Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, when > there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a waste. > > I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and I > realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked > effectively! > > The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority of > classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. > > Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is not a > Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a market > niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the > heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. > > I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. > > > You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. > > http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html > > > > > > Kelvin Dodd > 1980 TR8 > 1980 SD1 > Other stuff > > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From bownes at seiri.com Fri Dec 14 11:21:38 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:21:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: John Buffham...awesome driver in the TR7-V8 and the Audi Quattro Coupe. I'm still looking for a BOP/Rover V8 for the formula car project. I've got the chassis, intake manifold and camshaft so far... :) Bob On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: > I was also highly entertained by what BUFFETT and his wife did on rallies > > > > > Joe Alexander > A. R. E. > 645 1st Street > Jesup, Iowa 50648 > 319.464.4711 (cell) > n197tr4 at cs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony and Annie Garmey > To: n197tr4 ; doddk ; fot > > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:01 pm > Subject: RE: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > if you really want to see how a TR8 should go, search out "Tony Pond" on > youtube from the early/mid 80's in the UK rally championship. The ulster > and > manx rally's. > > > > > > > To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net > > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:07:36 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > > Kelvin, is right, according to John Clancy's well done DVD histories on > > Triumphs. > > > > I think I remember seeing a MG 'trial badge' on a TR7 while watching his > DVD > > on TR7/8s. > > > > That being said, they still are in our TRIUMPH FAMILY and I suspect we > need > to > > bring them into vintage racing. > > > > A 'spec' category such as Henry suggests seems like good place to start. > > > > Kudos to Shawn Frank for launching this thread. A couple of years ago, > it > > might not have gone anywhere. Its time has come? > > > > Once again, I recommend the John Clancy series on TRIUMPH HISTORY. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kelvin Dodd > > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 10:04 am > > Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > > > > It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, > when > > there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a > waste. > > > > I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain > and > I > > realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually > worked > > effectively! > > > > The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority > of > > classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. > > > > Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is > not > a > > Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a > market > > niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the > > heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. > > > > I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. > > > > > > You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. > > > > http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Kelvin Dodd > > 1980 TR8 > > 1980 SD1 > > Other stuff > > > > > > ________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 14 11:25:06 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:25:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: References: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CFA83F790F2037-1C3C-B1D3@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> senior moment ...yes, BUFFUM no Margaritaville here. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: robert bownes To: Joe Alexander Cc: horizonracing ; doddk ; fot Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:21 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction John Buffham...awesome driver in the TR7-V8 and the Audi Quattro Coupe. I'm still looking for a BOP/Rover V8 for the formula car project. I've got the chassis, intake manifold and camshaft so far... :) Bob On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Joe Alexander wrote: I was also highly entertained by what BUFFETT and his wife did on rallies Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: n197tr4 ; doddk ; fot Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:01 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] TR8 Direction if you really want to see how a TR8 should go, search out "Tony Pond" on youtube from the early/mid 80's in the UK rally championship. The ulster and manx rally's. > To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:07:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > Kelvin, is right, according to John Clancy's well done DVD histories on > Triumphs. > > I think I remember seeing a MG 'trial badge' on a TR7 while watching his DVD > on TR7/8s. > > That being said, they still are in our TRIUMPH FAMILY and I suspect we need to > bring them into vintage racing. > > A 'spec' category such as Henry suggests seems like good place to start. > > Kudos to Shawn Frank for launching this thread. A couple of years ago, it > might not have gone anywhere. Its time has come? > > Once again, I recommend the John Clancy series on TRIUMPH HISTORY. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelvin Dodd > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 10:04 am > Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, when > there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a waste. > > I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and I > realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked > effectively! > > The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority of > classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. > > Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is not a > Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a market > niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the > heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. > > I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. > > > You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. > > http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html > > > > > > Kelvin Dodd > 1980 TR8 > 1980 SD1 > Other stuff > > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/bownes at web9.com From doddk at mossmotors.com Fri Dec 14 11:29:34 2012 From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Kelvin Dodd) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:29:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> References: , <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net>, <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A517@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> This is one of John Buffum's ex works TR7s that was being rallied in New Mexico in 1984. It had been converted to a V8 by the owner. http://s460.photobucket.com/albums/qq327/Kelvin13/Stuff/?action=view¤t= Oct8413.jpg My mediocre claim to automotive fame was to crash about 1 mile past where John Buffum's Audi had broken down during the 1981 Centennial National Pro Rally. http://s460.photobucket.com/albums/qq327/Kelvin13/Stuff/?action=view¤t= Sept81.jpg Kelvin Dodd ________________________________________ From: Joe Alexander [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 10:08 AM To: horizonracing at msn.com; Kelvin Dodd; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction I was also highly entertained by what BUFFETT and his wife did on rallies Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: n197tr4 ; doddk ; fot Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:01 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] TR8 Direction if you really want to see how a TR8 should go, search out "Tony Pond" on youtube from the early/mid 80's in the UK rally championship. The ulster and manx rally's. > To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:07:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > Kelvin, is right, according to John Clancy's well done DVD histories on > Triumphs. > > I think I remember seeing a MG 'trial badge' on a TR7 while watching his DVD > on TR7/8s. > > That being said, they still are in our TRIUMPH FAMILY and I suspect we need to > bring them into vintage racing. > > A 'spec' category such as Henry suggests seems like good place to start. > > Kudos to Shawn Frank for launching this thread. A couple of years ago, it > might not have gone anywhere. Its time has come? > > Once again, I recommend the John Clancy series on TRIUMPH HISTORY. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelvin Dodd > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 10:04 am > Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, when > there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a waste. > > I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and I > realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked > effectively! > > The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority of > classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. > > Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is not a > Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a market > niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the > heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. > > I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. > > > You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. > > http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html > > > > > > Kelvin Dodd > 1980 TR8 > 1980 SD1 > Other stuff > > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From tarch at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 14 11:40:12 2012 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:40:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> References: , <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net>, <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <006601cdda2a$73e63240$5bb296c0$@net> I trying to catch up on this thread, I stumbled onto: DC Shoes: Ken Block's Gymkhana Five Google it. It's staggering! Richard Taylor From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 14 11:41:05 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:41:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction In-Reply-To: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A517@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> References: , <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A4D5@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net>, <8CFA834A631559F-1C3C-A6AF@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> <8CFA83D11ECF2FF-1C3C-AF74@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C86FDD6A517@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Message-ID: <8CFA841B58DCAEC-1C3C-B581@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com> Kelvin, it sure looks like you, only much younger.....thanks! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Kelvin Dodd To: 'Joe Alexander' ; 'horizonracing at msn.com' ; 'fot at autox.team.net' Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:29 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] TR8 Direction This is one of John Buffum's ex works TR7s that was being rallied in New Mexico in 1984. It had been converted to a V8 by the owner. http://s460.photobucket.com/albums/qq327/Kelvin13/Stuff/?action=view¤t= Oct8413.jpg My mediocre claim to automotive fame was to crash about 1 mile past where John Buffum's Audi had broken down during the 1981 Centennial National Pro Rally. http://s460.photobucket.com/albums/qq327/Kelvin13/Stuff/?action=view¤t= Sept81.jpg Kelvin Dodd ________________________________________ From: Joe Alexander [mailto:n197tr4 at cs.com] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 10:08 AM To: horizonracing at msn.com; Kelvin Dodd; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction I was also highly entertained by what BUFFETT and his wife did on rallies Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Tony and Annie Garmey To: n197tr4 ; doddk ; fot Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 12:01 pm Subject: RE: [Fot] TR8 Direction if you really want to see how a TR8 should go, search out "Tony Pond" on youtube from the early/mid 80's in the UK rally championship. The ulster and manx rally's. > To: doddk at mossmotors.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:07:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > Kelvin, is right, according to John Clancy's well done DVD histories on > Triumphs. > > I think I remember seeing a MG 'trial badge' on a TR7 while watching his DVD > on TR7/8s. > > That being said, they still are in our TRIUMPH FAMILY and I suspect we need to > bring them into vintage racing. > > A 'spec' category such as Henry suggests seems like good place to start. > > Kudos to Shawn Frank for launching this thread. A couple of years ago, it > might not have gone anywhere. Its time has come? > > Once again, I recommend the John Clancy series on TRIUMPH HISTORY. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelvin Dodd > To: 'fot at autox.team.net' > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 10:04 am > Subject: [Fot] TR8 Direction > > > It may be sacrilege on this list, but gutting a TR8 to make a race car, when > there are limited competition venues available, to me, is a bit of a waste. > > I remember the first time I got my TR8 on the road. It started to rain and I > realized that the car had wipers and a defrost system that actually worked > effectively! > > The TR8 is a really great road car. It is capable of dusting the majority of > classic British sports cars, yet is comfortable and still a great value. > > Just don't think of it as a Triumph. It's not. Just as the Rover SD1 is not a > Rover. Both cars are British Leyland designs, that got badged to fit a market > niche. They have to be appreciated as stand alone designs, without the > heritage (and hand me down engineering) of the earlier marques. > > I'm with TeriAnn, get in the car and see where your dreams take you. > > > You can access an excellent TR7/8 group through this web link. > > http://www.team.net/TR8/Mailing-List.html > > > > > > Kelvin Dodd > 1980 TR8 > 1980 SD1 > Other stuff > > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/horizonracing at msn.com From jason at multivintage.com Fri Dec 14 12:32:19 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:32:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <8CFA81FB58C695A-878-A28B@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <8CFA81FB58C695A-878-A28B@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 8:37 AM, wrote: > Sorry to enter this discussion after seeing only a few > comments............TR7/8s are "Like nobody else's car".............They > are > truly very cool...........I have a racing GT6 that I have never had out on > the > track. I live in Maryland. Is there anyone whom can give me some > guidance on > how I can get it on the track somewhere around here (Summit Point, etc)? I > only have one seat in it and I have been told that I need to have an > instructor in the car with me before they will let me out on my own. Is > this > true? I would rather not have to put another seat in it. Any help would > be > great! Thanks- Jay De Pol > Hello Jay De Pol... > Interesting post. I'm afraid your GT6 question will get lost in this Wedge discussion. It would be best if you started a new thread about your racing GT6... please Tell a bit more about your GT6 race car. (When was it built, for what sanctioning body, what has been modified for racing and to what extent...etc.) You have several options of places to run it, but my guess is there will be more things to consider than whether or not you need to have an extra seat in the car... Which, for the record you won't have to have in place for any nationally recognized Drivers school. With more info, several of us will be happy to point you in the right direction. It depends on what you have there and what the end goal is Thanks. Jason Ostrowski Friendly Ghost Racing From tedtsimx at bright.net Fri Dec 14 14:27:37 2012 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:27:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50CB99C9.8030603@bright.net> Shawn, thanks for starting this discussion. We campaigned some of the most successful Wedge cars in the USA. Competing in SCCA, our TR8 won many SCCA Nationals, always picked to win the SCCA Run-off's (it didn't, but my fault, not car's fault - details if anyone wants them). Held multiple track records and very successful in the Playboy and Escort Endurance series, often beating factory backed cars from Ford, Chrysler, GM, Nissan, Mitsubishi and others. Along with the TR8, we also campaigned a TR7 in the Endurance series. While not as fast as the V8, the TR7 held its own in class due to excellent handling and incredibly good fuel mileage. We developed many of the performance parts for these cars including brake upgrades, sway bars, springs, strut tower braces, headers and more. Coupes are far superior to roadsters, both it terms of structural integrity and top speed. Side by side testing at Road Atlanta showed several hundred rpm greater speed (both cars had same trans and diff gears). This was on the original Road Atlanta back straight before they turned it into the current"neutered" version (read this no dip at end of straight) Remember if it is a roadster, it has to race with top down. We also supplied data to Edlebrock when they designed the 4V intake manifold for this engine. Our normal street V8 in 3.5L form is 250hp. Over 320 hp for the larger displacement 4.0/4.6L engines. Rust issues at the strut tower to inner fender well junction and where the rear lower trailing arms attach to the sheet metal are the biggest problems. Patching a rusted fender is not a big deal. Remember this is a uni-body car so things are different from racing a car with a frame. Rover/TR8 engine is far superior to it's Buick ancestor. We normally have 30 - 40 V8 engines in stock. HP figures for TR7 are 130 - 40 with no major "engine life threatening mods. Yes, John Clancy has a good DVD on the car - "Code name Bullet". And all his videos are still on sale for $21 w/shipping through the first of the year. Let's hear it for the "flying doorstops". Ted On 12/12/2012 8:23 AM, Shawn Frank wrote: > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tedtsimx at bright.net > > > -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Dec 14 14:41:19 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:41:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Forums In-Reply-To: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1355419762.48346.YahooMailNeo@web112515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, Not to beat a dead horse, but there's a "wedge" mail list that is run on a server at MIT in the Lab for Computer Science, aka LCS. The list administration is automated, it's a "majordomo" for the computer freeX out there. If you seen a message to: majordomo at mercury.lcs.mit.edu with the line: subscribe in the message body, you should get a reply indicating that you're on the list. I have no idea if this list is connected to anything on the autox.team.net server or not, others will have to chime in on that one. But there's a slew of really dedicated Wedge Triumph folks on that list... and the list is fairly active. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Fri Dec 14 14:53:25 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:53:25 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> Brilliant... Post of the year. Ed Dunn GT6 Spitfire Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:39 AM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" wrote: > On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved in a >> business decision" . > And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with > passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. > > My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on > the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while > and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. > > > TeriAnn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 14 15:13:54 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:13:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction Message-ID: <1355523234.54889.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I will have to get this thing out on track then. Thanks everyone, and glad to spark great conversation. I would love to find out more about a TR7/TR8 type of class. I am more of a Spitfire/TR6 type of guy, but have recently driven a TR4 and loved it. We have a TR4A that will be finished soon for Drive Away Cancer Iowa. I don't think we will be racing that, but I definitely plan to try out the TR8 and know I will be auto crossing my Spitfire. There aren't but a couple vintage cars that auto cross around here. I hope to spark more interest in the vintage auto crossing. Maybe if I bring 3 cars to the auto crosses, others will bring more. I feel all alone here in Des Moines...Shawn From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Dec 14 15:48:03 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:48:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> Message-ID: This confirms what I have suspected for some time. GT6 folks march to a different drum than the rest of us! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Brilliant... Post of the year. > > Ed Dunn > GT6 > Spitfire > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:39 AM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" > wrote: > >> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved > in a >>> business decision" . >> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >> >> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on >> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while >> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >> >> >> TeriAnn >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jason at multivintage.com Fri Dec 14 15:55:44 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 22:55:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> Message-ID: You're kind of right.. Same drum really though....Our beat is just a little faster. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: John Hasty Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:48:03 To: Edward Dunn Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction This confirms what I have suspected for some time. GT6 folks march to a different drum than the rest of us! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Brilliant... Post of the year. > > Ed Dunn > GT6 > Spitfire > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:39 AM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" > wrote: > >> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved > in a >>> business decision" . >> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >> >> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on >> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while >> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >> >> >> TeriAnn >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Dec 14 16:40:01 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:40:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1174875373-1355525746-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1012026896-@b26.c3.bise6.blackberry> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> <1174875373-1355525746-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1012026896-@b26.c3.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: TouchC) chez Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2012, at 5:55 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > You're kind of right.. Same drum really though....Our beat is just a little faster. > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hasty > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:48:03 > To: Edward Dunn > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > This confirms what I have suspected for some time. GT6 folks march to a > different drum than the rest of us! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Edward Dunn > wrote: > >> Brilliant... Post of the year. >> >> Ed Dunn >> GT6 >> Spitfire >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:39 AM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" >> wrote: >> >>> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>>> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get > involved >> in a >>>> business decision" . >>> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >>> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >>> >>> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on >>> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while >>> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >>> >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com From dos_gusanos at msn.com Fri Dec 14 16:48:49 2012 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:48:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> Message-ID: That's how I got to the point of owning eight sportscars! > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:41:16 -0700 > From: tjwakeman at gmail.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > > I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get involved in a > > business decision" . > And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with > passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. > > My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on > the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while > and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. > > > TeriAnn > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com From dos_gusanos at msn.com Fri Dec 14 16:59:37 2012 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:59:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, , <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com>, Message-ID: We drove the TR6 and the TR7 through Colorado and the TR6 took twice the Fuel at every fill up compared to the TR7. Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM From jerrybarr at charter.net Fri Dec 14 17:01:54 2012 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:01:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <20121214225710.D9A4C40EB9@autox.team.net> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> <20121214225710.D9A4C40EB9@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <75845865-46C5-45E6-8A0D-74B8D0273727@charter.net> I think GT6 people like the challenge of making a difficult car go fast Jerry Barr #59 Red GT6 On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:55 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > You're kind of right.. Same drum really though....Our beat is just a little faster. > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hasty > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:48:03 > To: Edward Dunn > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > This confirms what I have suspected for some time. GT6 folks march to a > different drum than the rest of us! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Edward Dunn > wrote: > >> Brilliant... Post of the year. >> >> Ed Dunn >> GT6 >> Spitfire >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:39 AM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" >> wrote: >> >>> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>>> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get > involved >> in a >>>> business decision" . >>> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >>> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >>> >>> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on >>> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while >>> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >>> >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From dos_gusanos at msn.com Fri Dec 14 17:01:57 2012 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:01:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, , , <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , , <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com>, , , Message-ID: Somebody come and get the two TR7's I have in my yard. One Coupe and a roadster, no titles so I'll have to cut 'em up to get rid of them. Cheers, Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, NM From budscars at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 17:05:32 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:05:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45694CDC8C7842DEA71A1E5927CF34C5@Bud> Good old TR8 story... Showroom stock race at Riverside Dave Vanek won the race in his TR8...they were claiming races then to try to keep it honest and cheap.....A competitor could buy any car for 500.00 over cost of car before roll cage, etc.... Someone made a claim on Vanek's TR8....He refused to sell the car, and after lots of arguing he called the police and said the guy was trying to steal his car.. I think that was the end of the claiming races.. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Morrison" To: ; "fot" Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > That's how I got to the point of owning eight sportscars! > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:41:16 -0700 >> From: tjwakeman at gmail.com >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction >> >> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> > I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get >> > involved > in a >> > business decision" . >> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >> >> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on >> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while >> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >> >> >> TeriAnn >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dos_gusanos at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From kkjjk at aol.com Fri Dec 14 17:23:48 2012 From: kkjjk at aol.com (kkjjk at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 19:23:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <75845865-46C5-45E6-8A0D-74B8D0273727@charter.net> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> <20121214225710.D9A4C40EB9@autox.team.net> <75845865-46C5-45E6-8A0D-74B8D0273727@charter.net> Message-ID: <8CFA87196281B68-878-14EF2@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> Someone once told me that a GT6 is a bad race car...............I replied that that is the challenge...........Kind of like when my algebra 2 teacher in high scholl told me about when he went flying with a friend in a 172 and tried to pull off a maneuver that was just a bit out of the envelope...........He said that he wasn't interested in flying that way, as he was an F-4 guy in the Air Force many years prior..........I repeated that story to my dad (a civilian trained AA Captain for 30 years, as well as a Bonanza owner, and whom was an instructor in the Air Force in T-6s)..........His response was classic, and forever ingrained in my brain: "Ah, what the guy does not understand........It's the art of working within the limits of the airplane is what makes the pilot truly great"..............Just ask Bob Hoover, they only guy I know that may be a better pilot than my dad...............! -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Barr To: jason Cc: fot at autox.team.net friends Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:02 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction I think GT6 people like the challenge of making a difficult car go fast Jerry Barr #59 Red GT6 On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:55 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > You're kind of right.. Same drum really though....Our beat is just a little faster. > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hasty > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:48:03 > To: Edward Dunn > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > This confirms what I have suspected for some time. GT6 folks march to a > different drum than the rest of us! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Edward Dunn > wrote: > >> Brilliant... Post of the year. >> >> Ed Dunn >> GT6 >> Spitfire >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:39 AM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" >> wrote: >> >>> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>>> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get > involved >> in a >>>> business decision" . >>> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >>> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >>> >>> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on >>> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while >>> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >>> >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 14 17:34:38 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:34:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <8CFA87196281B68-878-14EF2@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com> <7A90541A-9FAC-41CD-B011-01302ED6071D@qualityfueltrailers.com> <20121214225710.D9A4C40EB9@autox.team.net> <75845865-46C5-45E6-8A0D-74B8D0273727@charter.net> <8CFA87196281B68-878-14EF2@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1355531678.61282.YahooMailNeo@web112503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I gotta say, being new to this group, I am thoroughly impressed by you all. What a great group of guys with all kinds of knowledge. Thank you for letting me participate in the Friends of Triumph. I am honored. A little work on the Spitfire, and waiting out the Iowa winter and I will be auto crossing it while building my Spitfire Race Car and also enjoying the TR8 as well. This year will be epic! I can't wait! Thanks again guys! Hope to see you in person some time! Shawn ________________________________ From: "kkjjk at aol.com" To: jerrybarr at charter.net; jason at multivintage.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction Someone once told me that a GT6 is a bad race car...............I replied that that is the challenge...........Kind of like when my algebra 2 teacher in high scholl told me about when he went flying with a friend in a 172 and tried to pull off a maneuver that was just a bit out of the envelope...........He said that he wasn't interested in flying that way, as he was an F-4 guy in the Air Force many years prior..........I repeated that story to my dad (a civilian trained AA Captain for 30 years, as well as a Bonanza owner, and whom was an instructor in the Air Force in T-6s)..........His response was classic, and forever ingrained in my brain: "Ah, what the guy does not understand........It's the art of working within the limits of the airplane is what makes the pilot truly great"..............Just ask Bob Hoover, they only guy I know that may be a better pilot than my dad...............! -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Barr To: jason Cc: fot at autox.team.net friends Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 7:02 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction I think GT6 people like the challenge of making a difficult car go fast Jerry Barr #59 Red GT6 On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:55 PM, jason at multivintage.com wrote: > You're kind of right.. Same drum really though....Our beat is just a little faster. > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hasty > Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.netDate: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:48:03 > To: Edward Dunn > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > This confirms what I have suspected for some time. GT6 folks march to a > different drum than the rest of us! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Edward Dunn > wrote: > >> Brilliant... Post of the year. >> >> Ed Dunn >> GT6 >> Spitfire >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 14, 2012, at 4:39 AM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" >> wrote: >> >>> On 12/13/12 10:27 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>>> I'm with Jim... my late father used to say "never let emotion get > involved >> in a >>>> business decision" . >>> And then there is my way of making decisions: "Do everything with >>> passion and compassion" It lets you live life like you mean it. >>> >>> My suggestion is to sit inside the TR8, behind the wheel. One hand on >>> the steering wheel, one on the shift knob. Just sit there for a while >>> and see where your day dreams take you. Then follow your dreams. >>> >>> >>> TeriAnn >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jason at multivintage.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/my71spit13 at yahoo.com From mark at bradakis.com Fri Dec 14 18:29:07 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:29:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: References: <389206900.1023835.1355419027505.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>, , , <1355462866.58076.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, , , <50CB1E6C.8030501@gmail.com>, , , Message-ID: <50CBD263.5090205@bradakis.com> Henry Morrison wrote: > Somebody come and get the two TR7's I have in my yard. One Coupe and a > roadster, no titles so I'll have to cut 'em up to get rid of them. I wish! I need some parts to get the one in my backyard running again. mjb. From hakhutch at roadrunner.com Fri Dec 14 19:01:07 2012 From: hakhutch at roadrunner.com (Tim Hutchisen) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:01:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: OK Henry, Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The TR7 spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, so why not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's of the Triumph world. No respect! Tim Hutchisen Norway, ME ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 8:13 AM Subject: [Fot] Wedges > As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. > Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the wheel of > a well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. > > One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I > envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. We > spec decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good > spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are kept to > a minimum, if any. > > You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me 4 > cars that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell > and a cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint > job. Then do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and > harness, and you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you > could even drive the thing to the track! > > How cool would that be? > > Who's in??? > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > >> Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in >> vintage racing...time marches on. From budscars at comcast.net Fri Dec 14 18:53:13 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:53:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Wedges References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com><3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1F8D4600633E4EAB809CB325DDE474B6@Bud> Remember Gang...supply and demand...Bugeye Sprites were crushed because they were not worth 150.00...Alfa Guiliettas too...and...v-12 Ferraris...No one wanted an old Ferrari because they were too expensive to fix or maintain..in 1987 a 250 GTE was selling for 2 thousand bucks..In 1990 they were 100,000.00...and look at what's happening with the semi-muscle cars now..! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hutchisen" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > OK Henry, > Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The TR7 > spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, so why > not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's of the > Triumph world. No respect! > Tim Hutchisen > Norway, ME > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 8:13 AM > Subject: [Fot] Wedges > > >> As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. >> Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the wheel >> of a well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. >> >> One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I >> envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. We >> spec decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good >> spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are kept to >> a minimum, if any. >> >> You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me 4 >> cars that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell >> and a cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint >> job. Then do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and >> harness, and you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you >> could even drive the thing to the track! >> >> How cool would that be? >> >> Who's in??? >> >> Henry >> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More >> >>> Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our future in >>> vintage racing...time marches on. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Dec 14 20:46:21 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:46:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS In-Reply-To: <8CFA5D7A87D09C2-A94-9777@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CFA5D1E598E030-A94-91B1@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> <54FB2161-8FA1-4FC8-A84D-6EF6ECB42193@me.com> <1990299364-1355244053-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1196878571-@b3.c3.bise6.blackberry> <8CFA5D7A87D09C2-A94-9777@webmail-d193.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000001cdda76$bfca3a70$3f5eaf50$@com> Joe, if you need help setting up or with the paddock the day before, let me know. I'm usually available. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Alexander Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 10:57 AM To: jason at multivintage.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] KCUP 2013 PLANNING THE OSTHOF and ENTRY PLANS What Jason said.....exactly. Except the showers are almost first class KOHLER. ALSO, the more information we have on entries and attendees, the easier it will be to ask for PADDOCK SPACE to contain us all. I am particularly interested in the layout of the paddock as that is where we spend most of our time. Jason, I plan to go in a day early to garner space in the paddock. Want to help? Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 15 06:16:07 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 08:16:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <1fd34.419073f.3df9f76a@aol.com> References: <1fd34.419073f.3df9f76a@aol.com> Message-ID: <002a01cddac6$586b28d0$09417a70$@sbcglobal.net> If anyone is interested, I have a photo of the Buick engine on a stand taken at the GM Heritage Center in Sterling Heights, Michigan. I sort of keep looking for a TR8 as there is a family connection to the engine. I need to get rid of the Stag before I can even think about bringing home another car. There is one near me for sale, but I just don't have the space for one at this time. Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:06 AM To: vangoughv at hotmail.com; my71spit13 at yahoo.com Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction In a message dated 12/12/2012 8:46:14 AM Central Standard Time, vangoughv at hotmail.com writes: > Could it be a "street able track day car"? > You'd get more seat time and pleasure for your money and leave a door open > to > further convert to full race later. It would make an excellent race car > for sure. > More than a few people think that aluminum engine is one of the best engines ever built. We had one in a Buick mid-sized convertible, and it was a great little car. Pound for pound...it sure had a lot of power. Bill Dentinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 15 12:44:42 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:44:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Devin Message-ID: <000c01cddafc$a1980240$e4c806c0$@sbcglobal.net> I think that there were a couple of Devin owners on this list, if so, I have a friend that recently purchased a '59 Devin D Roadster. It was built by Devin, and has a Porsche motor. He has some questions about parts and would like to get in touch with anyone who can help him. Thanks, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From budscars at comcast.net Sat Dec 15 14:14:15 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:14:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Devin References: <000c01cddafc$a1980240$e4c806c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <29C18E168D1D43DF8DC895CAD4B3BF7D@Bud> Mark Balestra in San Jopse, Ca. might be able to help you out..he has a Devin SS mark at pearsonauto.com Tell him Racer Bud sent you. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Mitchell" To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Devin >I think that there were a couple of Devin owners on this list, if so, I >have > a friend > that recently purchased a '59 Devin D Roadster. It was built by Devin, and > has a > Porsche motor. He has some questions about parts and would like to get in > touch > with anyone who can help him. > > Thanks, > > Doug > > -- > Doug Mitchell > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Sat Dec 15 14:18:24 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:18:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Devin References: <000c01cddafc$a1980240$e4c806c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <5DD2D227C3E54042BA63D69D2435D068@Bud> Also Bill Hart has a Devin TR.. contact Tony Garmey at horizonracing at msn.com RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Mitchell" To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Devin >I think that there were a couple of Devin owners on this list, if so, I >have > a friend > that recently purchased a '59 Devin D Roadster. It was built by Devin, and > has a > Porsche motor. He has some questions about parts and would like to get in > touch > with anyone who can help him. > > Thanks, > > Doug > > -- > Doug Mitchell > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From jerrybarr at charter.net Wed Dec 12 16:00:31 2012 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:00:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction In-Reply-To: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7FC1D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> References: <1355318605.49674.androidMobile@web112511.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <355406436.1406566.1355349409223.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E7FC1D6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <5E919245-CED4-4AC5-A34C-059240680377@charter.net> You know the Miata is a better car and much easier to make it go fast. If I didn't have so many projects I would buy the TR8 to save you from making a huge mistake. On Dec 12, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Barr, Scott wrote: > How did this list get taken over by such soulless, fun-sucking pragmatists??? > ;-) > > My vote - Get it running and drive it for a while before you spend any money > on it. Then fall in love with it and invest thousands of dollars and weekend > hours and either drive it on the street or turn it into a silly, impractical, > expensive race car. Just like the rest of us. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of fogbro1 at comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 3:57 PM > To: Shawn Frank > Cc: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR8 direction > > Give the owner $2000 and walk away from the car. You will save thousands of > dollars and many hundred of hours of your life in the long run. > > > > Ed Woods (with credit to my brother Harvey for figuring this out years ago; > although I have rarely heeded this advice.) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Shawn Frank" > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:23:25 AM > Subject: [Fot] TR8 direction > > We have a TR8 sitting in front of us. Input on what you think we should do > with it? It is in good shape, no rust, decent paint, soft top, doesn't start > and has been garaged for more than 5 years. What should we do with it??? > HELP! B Shawn > > > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fogbro1 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jerrybarr at charter.net From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Dec 13 15:46:11 2012 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:46:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Another Sunday ride in Khartu Message-ID: Hi, I'm posting this just to keep the juices going on the off-season. http://youtu.be/IECKMspI180 It's an in-car autocross video from a New England Region autocross at Devens, MA. Enjoy! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent Former NER Solo Chair | Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jhhasty at gdhs.com Fri Dec 14 08:25:58 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:25:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com><3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local><8CFA81FB58C695A-878-A28B@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <80F1CD5CEFB14276A368F7A398867452@gdhs.local> Come on Robert, 3 race cars? John H. 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IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Deanes Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 10:16 AM To: kkjjk at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges Henry , I'm in as I have two coupes, have thought many times over and over wheather to develope one into a racer, and many camp fires with the "getto" crowd on just what you are talking about, are we sticking with the 7 engine , lets get it rolling or more planning, On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM, wrote: > Sorry to enter this discussion after seeing only a few > comments............TR7/8s are "Like nobody else's > car".............They are truly very cool...........I have a racing > GT6 that I have never had out on the track. I live in Maryland. Is > there anyone whom can give me some guidance on how I can get it on the > track somewhere around here (Summit Point, etc)? I only have one seat > in it and I have been told that I need to have an instructor in the > car with me before they will let me out on my own. Is this true? I > would rather not have to put another seat in it. Any help would be > great! Thanks- Jay De Pol > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles WATSON > To: yellow04 ; FOT List > Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 8:23 am > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > > Interesting idea. Better looking than Miatas for sure. Cheap too! > But only one within 500 miles of me in SC on EBay or CL. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers > Columbia, Greenville, Spartanburg & Lexington, SC > > > > > > > > > > > From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > To: FOT at autox.team.net > > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:13:18 -0500 > > Subject: [Fot] Wedges > > > > As a Wedge owner, I appreciate what Triumph accomplished with the TR7/8. > > Before you guys move to have me tossed outta here, get behind the > > wheel > of > a > > well sorted wedge. They drive wonderful. > > > > One of my pipe dreams to see at vintage races is a spec TR7 class. I > > envision good, close racing and best of all, behind a Triumph badge. > > We > spec > > decent, cheap tires from Tire Rack. We figure out a good > > spring/strut/swaybay package. We run pump gas, so engine mods are > > kept > to a > > minimum, if any. > > > > You need to find a clapped out TR7, 5 minutes on Craigslist shows me > > 4 > cars > > that are good candidates within 100 miles of me. Install a fuel cell > > and > a > > cage, and go visit your local Maaco for a scratch and spray paint job. > Then > > do up the suspension per the spec, install your racing seat and > > harness, > and > > you are ready to go. If you leave the wiring in place, you could > > even > drive > > the thing to the track! > > > > How cool would that be? > > > > Who's in??? > > > > Henry > > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > Subject: [Fot] Forums Wedges and More > > > > > Good to have this discussion on wedges...they may become our > > > future in vintage racing...time marches on. > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/clw2000 at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kkjjk at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From robertten1 at aol.com Sat Dec 15 19:45:20 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:45:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Another Sunday ride in Khartu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CFA94E85AA6DD1-16A8-14B69@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com> Bob, Brilliant run ! But, today the last of sunny days for awhile ( winter storms on their way ) here in New England I couldn't resist the notion to fire up the race car take it for a spin around the neighborhood. F1 season is over and race season has been over for awhile here in Massachusetts, sept for some Rally crossing. Driving around the neighborhood brought back memories of the past season, as breif as it may of been for me and my Spit. My wish is for one more chance to drive my car around the block before the SALT and snow. Hopefully the coming storms will just drop rain on us. May all your days be sunny, Bob T '64 Spit GT -----Original Message----- From: Robert M. Lang To: triumphs Sent: Sat, Dec 15, 2012 9:02 pm Subject: [Fot] Another Sunday ride in Khartu Hi, I'm posting this just to keep the juices going on the off-season. http://youtu.be/IECKMspI180 It's an in-car autocross video from a New England Region autocross at evens, MA. Enjoy! ml -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent ormer NER Solo Chair | oice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________ ot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/robertten1 at aol.com From tr4.tony at virgin.net Mon Dec 17 02:21:14 2012 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:21:14 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Devin In-Reply-To: <5DD2D227C3E54042BA63D69D2435D068@Bud> References: <000c01cddafc$a1980240$e4c806c0$@sbcglobal.net> <5DD2D227C3E54042BA63D69D2435D068@Bud> Message-ID: I have just bought a Devin E body for a TR4 and plan to put together a little plastic bodied car .... Similarly any advice about how to attach it to the frame would be most welcome! Sent from my iPhone On 15 Dec 2012, at 21:18, "RACER BUD" wrote: > Also Bill Hart has a Devin TR.. contact Tony Garmey at horizonracing at msn.com > RB > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Mitchell" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:44 AM > Subject: [Fot] Devin > > >> I think that there were a couple of Devin owners on this list, if so, I have >> a friend >> that recently purchased a '59 Devin D Roadster. It was built by Devin, and >> has a >> Porsche motor. He has some questions about parts and would like to get in >> touch >> with anyone who can help him. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Doug >> >> -- >> Doug Mitchell >> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Dec 17 04:58:06 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 06:58:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had an underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance of coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, pump gas, close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am thinking it would take somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy and build the car. We get a handful of guys to do it, show off some good, close racing, and we promote the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. Oh well... Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hutchisen" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > OK Henry, > Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The TR7 > spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, so why > not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's of the > Triumph world. No respect! > Tim Hutchisen From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Dec 17 06:19:46 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 05:19:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1355750386.83368.YahooMailClassic@web181403.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Henry: It sounds liike you could cheaply put a team together with what you have sitting around. But, did you notice that within five postings the "spec" class was morphing into a V6 from John's Car's? Simple rules...Spec Class! Minimal rules like FOT. Original type engine; Intake & exhaust free; 4 or 5 speed okay; DOT tires; DHC or FHC. Period. Would be fun! -Ed- --- On Mon, 12/17/12, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges To: FOT at autox.team.net Date: Monday, December 17, 2012, 5:58 AM The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had an underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance of coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, pump gas, close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am thinking it would take somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy and build the car. We get a handful of guys to do it, show off some good, close racing, and we promote the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. Oh well... Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hutchisen" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > OK Henry, > Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The TR7 > spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, so why > not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's of the > Triumph world. No respect! > Tim Hutchisen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From donmarshall at nefcom.net Mon Dec 17 07:55:47 2012 From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:55:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: Easy peasy... check the SCCA GCR and under Improved Touring. The TR7 is still listed and under IT rules it's restricted to minimal changes from stock. Search "TR7 race cars for sale" and there's usually several old TR7 IT cars already race prepared, with cages and other safety equipment, and lots cheaper than you can build one from scratch. I know that some of the vintage groups, including SVRA and VDCA, are starting to accept old IT cars and the TR7 would have no problem being admitted as long as its prepped to the IT rules (no flares, fiberglass, etc.) and has treaded tires. Don On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:58 AM, wrote: > The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had an > underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. > > I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance of > coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, pump gas, > close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am thinking it would > take > somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy and build the car. We get a > handful of guys to do it, show off some good, close racing, and we promote > the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on > track.. > > Oh well... > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Hutchisen" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > > > OK Henry, > > Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The TR7 > > spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, so why > > not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's of the > > Triumph world. No respect! > > Tim Hutchisen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/donmarshall at nefcom.net From igofaster at att.net Mon Dec 17 08:48:24 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 07:48:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1355759304.30563.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Henry... I'm in... heck what do I care 3 Triumphs , two which a race cars (not running presently) ... why not another Triumph... I'm with you, fun and cheap.... in the words of a wise old Triumph guy (Larry) ... 'what's the difference between a TR7 and an onion? ... no one cries when you cut up a TR7..." Bobby ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, December 17, 2012 5:58:26 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had an underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance of coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, pump gas, close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am thinking it would take somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy and build the car. We get a handful of guys to do it, show off some good, close racing, and we promote the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. Oh well... Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hutchisen" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > OK Henry, > Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The TR7 > spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, so why > not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's of the > Triumph world. No respect! > Tim Hutchisen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Mon Dec 17 09:06:55 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:06:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedges References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <89770F5D9CAE44DB89130A1C04EE74A8@TRIUMPH.local> Typically, Don, I would agree with you. But with the price of rust free coupes around here, and I think I am being generous saying the cost to have a cage and fuel cell installed would be $2000, I don't know why you would not start with a fresh car. However, given what I imagine the value of a TR7 IT car these days, you are probably right! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Marshall To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges Easy peasy... check the SCCA GCR and under Improved Touring. The TR7 is still listed and under IT rules it's restricted to minimal changes from stock. Search "TR7 race cars for sale" and there's usually several old TR7 IT cars already race prepared, with cages and other safety equipment, and lots cheaper than you can build one from scratch. I know that some of the vintage groups, including SVRA and VDCA, are starting to accept old IT cars and the TR7 would have no problem being admitted as long as its prepped to the IT rules (no flares, fiberglass, etc.) and has treaded tires. Don On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:58 AM, wrote: The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had an underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance of coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, pump gas, close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am thinking it would take somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy and build the car. We get a handful of guys to do it, show off some good, close racing, and we promote the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. Oh well... Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hutchisen" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > OK Henry, > Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The TR7 > spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, so why > not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's of the > Triumph world. No respect! > Tim Hutchisen From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Mon Dec 17 10:55:10 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 09:55:10 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133560@TITAN.dwholdings.local> One of the issues is that the TR7 was never really too popular as a new car. Not many folks sit back and say, "Gee, I would really like to have a nice TR7". Sure some do, but Miata's were and still are extremely popular as regular drivers. The other issue is where would you run this spec class? I might consider it if you run the series in California. Laguna Seca, Sears Point, Willow Springs, Buttonwillow, etc. I think most folks would rather build a Spitfire for an entry level race car. Nice idea, but I think it would hard to get enough racers (or potential racers)involved. Edward Dunn West Coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 Encinitas CA 92024 760-492-3814 www.vintageracing.us -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 3:58 AM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had an underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance of coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, pump gas, close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am thinking it would take somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy and build the car. We get a handful of guys to do it, show off some good, close racing, and we promote the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. Oh well... Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Hutchisen" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > OK Henry, > Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The > TR7 spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, > so why not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's > of the Triumph world. No respect! > Tim Hutchisen _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From apackard68 at att.net Mon Dec 17 11:18:52 2012 From: apackard68 at att.net (Andrew Packard) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:18:52 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Lemons team race seat needs Message-ID: Thanks to Joe et al for bringing my race team into this group. Three Triumph Travelers in the Bay Area of CA are putting together a TR4 Lemons racer. You can learn a bit about our team and one picture of our car in the "Which Car" section of my "Lemons to Lemons" blog here. Currently we are dealing with some floor pan rust issues with one repair to go prior to getting the 6-point cage installed. My first question to the list is regarding a recommended racing seat brand and model that fits well in a TR4 through 6. We want to get the seat prior to our roll cage design to ensure enough head clearance for our tallest driver. If someone has a "retired" seat they would like to move to a new home, we're definitely in the market! Being a Lemons car, we're hoping not to have to go new with this potentially pricey item. We're certain to have more issues during our build, so I'll thank the list in advance for their contributions. If successful, we'll be the first TR4 in Lemons. BTW, we first looked a TR7 coupe in Santa Rosa that could have been bought for $150. Our biggest concern, as well as with my GT6+ parts car I considered using, was the head clearance for a full cage when a roof was involved. Andy Packard From chasgee at aol.com Mon Dec 17 11:37:34 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:37:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133560@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133560@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: I believe it was the best selling TR ever. Chuck On Dec 17, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Edward Dunn wrote: > One of the issues is that the TR7 was never really too popular as a new car. > Not many folks sit back and say, "Gee, I would really like to have a nice > TR7". Sure some do, but Miata's were and still are extremely popular as > regular drivers. The other issue is where would you run this spec class? I > might consider it if you run the series in California. Laguna Seca, Sears > Point, Willow Springs, Buttonwillow, etc. > > I think most folks would rather build a Spitfire for an entry level race car. > > Nice idea, but I think it would hard to get enough racers (or potential > racers)involved. > > Edward Dunn > > West Coast Vintage Racing > 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 > Encinitas CA 92024 > > 760-492-3814 > > www.vintageracing.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of yellow04 at tr4racer.com > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 3:58 AM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had an > underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. > > I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance of > coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, pump gas, > close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am thinking it would take > somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy and build the car. We get a > handful of guys to do it, show off some good, close racing, and we promote the > heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. > > Oh well... > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Hutchisen" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > >> OK Henry, >> Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The >> TR7 spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, >> so why not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's >> of the Triumph world. No respect! >> Tim Hutchisen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Mon Dec 17 11:39:52 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:39:52 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133560@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133566@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Really? Well, let's buy a couple and race 'em Chuck! Edward Dunn West Coast Vintage Racing 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 Encinitas CA 92024 760-492-3814 www.vintageracing.us -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Gee [mailto:chasgee at aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 10:38 AM To: Edward Dunn Cc: yellow04 at tr4racer.com; FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges I believe it was the best selling TR ever. Chuck On Dec 17, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Edward Dunn wrote: > One of the issues is that the TR7 was never really too popular as a new car. > Not many folks sit back and say, "Gee, I would really like to have a > nice TR7". Sure some do, but Miata's were and still are extremely > popular as regular drivers. The other issue is where would you run > this spec class? I might consider it if you run the series in > California. Laguna Seca, Sears Point, Willow Springs, Buttonwillow, etc. > > I think most folks would rather build a Spitfire for an entry level race car. > > Nice idea, but I think it would hard to get enough racers (or > potential racers)involved. > > Edward Dunn > > West Coast Vintage Racing > 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 > Encinitas CA 92024 > > 760-492-3814 > > www.vintageracing.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of yellow04 at tr4racer.com > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 3:58 AM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had > an underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. > > I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance > of coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, > pump gas, close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am > thinking it would take somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy > and build the car. We get a handful of guys to do it, show off some > good, close racing, and we promote the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. > > Oh well... > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Hutchisen" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > >> OK Henry, >> Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The >> TR7 spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, >> so why not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's >> of the Triumph world. No respect! >> Tim Hutchisen > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.co > m _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From chasgee at aol.com Mon Dec 17 11:47:24 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:47:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Wedges In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133566@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <1b9a1.122bca58.3dfb6e9b@cs.com> <3FD85BE647B84BC0AAD23300CEF78595@TRIUMPH.local> <57D8FE860BA84F5794D0A3F7803A084D@TRIUMPH.local> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133560@TITAN.dwholdings.local> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE1133566@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <41F2ECE2-C4D0-4C23-9D1E-ACCA13EB0173@aol.com> Did Lemons with one. The car did pretty well considering it was essentially stock. I always wanted to duplicate the Huffaker TR8 coupe but it would be an expensive endeavor. Cool car though. One of the reasons I don't have one is my wife can't stand them. She dated a creepy guy with a TR 7 back in the day (no, it wasn't me, I was the creepy guy with the TR6) and just can't get over it. That's my story and I'm sticking to it..... Chuck On Dec 17, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Edward Dunn wrote: > Really? Well, let's buy a couple and race 'em Chuck! > > Edward Dunn > > West Coast Vintage Racing > 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 > Encinitas CA 92024 > > 760-492-3814 > > www.vintageracing.us > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Gee [mailto:chasgee at aol.com] > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 10:38 AM > To: Edward Dunn > Cc: yellow04 at tr4racer.com; FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges > > I believe it was the best selling TR ever. > > Chuck > > On Dec 17, 2012, at 9:55 AM, Edward Dunn wrote: > >> One of the issues is that the TR7 was never really too popular as a new car. >> Not many folks sit back and say, "Gee, I would really like to have a >> nice TR7". Sure some do, but Miata's were and still are extremely >> popular as regular drivers. The other issue is where would you run >> this spec class? I might consider it if you run the series in >> California. Laguna Seca, Sears Point, Willow Springs, Buttonwillow, etc. >> >> I think most folks would rather build a Spitfire for an entry level race car. >> >> Nice idea, but I think it would hard to get enough racers (or >> potential racers)involved. >> >> Edward Dunn >> >> West Coast Vintage Racing >> 2240 Encinitas Blvd., Suite D101 >> Encinitas CA 92024 >> >> 760-492-3814 >> >> www.vintageracing.us >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of yellow04 at tr4racer.com >> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 3:58 AM >> To: FOT at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges >> >> The Rodney Dangerfields of the Triumph world for sure... We have had >> an underwhelming response to the TR7 Spec class. >> >> I envision all the fun of a Spec Miata, but with a much better chance >> of coming home with all your paint. Affordable buy-in, cheap tires, >> pump gas, close racing, and you are doing it in a Triumph! I am >> thinking it would take somewhere around $5000 to maybe $7500 to buy >> and build the car. We get a handful of guys to do it, show off some >> good, close racing, and we promote the heck out of it. Sounds like a great way to get some more people on track.. >> >> Oh well... >> >> Henry >> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Hutchisen" >> To: ; >> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Wedges >> >> >>> OK Henry, >>> Guess I won't crush the Victory edition sitting here after all! The >>> TR7 spec series is a great idea! Can't seem to give the coupes away, >>> so why not? Imagine, a whole field of TR7's, the Rodney Dangerfield's >>> of the Triumph world. No respect! >>> Tim Hutchisen >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.co >> m _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Mon Dec 17 13:34:55 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 14:34:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Lemons team race seat needs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D653A82-86B7-4107-AE27-580A092F1156@austin.rr.com> I have a Lemon's TR6 race car in central Texas that could be made available to a team that wanted to use it. It has completed 2 Lemon's races but we seem to have lost interest. Most of the team either vintage races, of auto crosses and our time is better spent on our real race cars. Bob Kramer Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Andrew Packard wrote: > Thanks to Joe et al for bringing my race team into this group. Three Triumph > Travelers in the Bay Area of CA are putting together a TR4 Lemons racer. You > can learn a bit about our team and one picture of our car in the "Which Car" > section of my "Lemons to Lemons" blog here. > > Currently we are dealing with some floor pan rust issues with one repair to go > prior to getting the 6-point cage installed. > > My first question to the list is regarding a recommended racing seat brand and > model that fits well in a TR4 through 6. We want to get the seat prior to our > roll cage design to ensure enough head clearance for our tallest driver. If > someone has a "retired" seat they would like to move to a new home, we're > definitely in the market! Being a Lemons car, we're hoping not to have to go > new with this potentially pricey item. We're certain to have more issues > during our build, so I'll thank the list in advance for their contributions. > If successful, we'll be the first TR4 in Lemons. > > BTW, we first looked a TR7 coupe in Santa Rosa that could have been bought for > $150. Our biggest concern, as well as with my GT6+ parts car I considered > using, was the head clearance for a full cage when a roof was involved. > > Andy Packard > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Mon Dec 17 13:42:52 2012 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 15:42:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Lemons team race seat needs In-Reply-To: <8D653A82-86B7-4107-AE27-580A092F1156@austin.rr.com> References: <8D653A82-86B7-4107-AE27-580A092F1156@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: I would love to have this car. I know a few people who would love to co run it. Unfortunately I am in the Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey area. It's a little far away for us and to get it shipped might be a little too much. I can still dream! Chris On Dec 17, 2012, at 3:34 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > I have a Lemon's TR6 race car in central Texas that could be made available to > a team that wanted to use it. It has completed 2 Lemon's races but we seem to > have lost interest. Most of the team either vintage races, of auto crosses and > our time is better spent on our real race cars. > Bob Kramer > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 17, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Andrew Packard wrote: > >> Thanks to Joe et al for bringing my race team into this group. Three > Triumph >> Travelers in the Bay Area of CA are putting together a TR4 Lemons racer. > You >> can learn a bit about our team and one picture of our car in the "Which > Car" >> section of my "Lemons to Lemons" blog here. >> >> Currently we are dealing with some floor pan rust issues with one repair to > go >> prior to getting the 6-point cage installed. >> >> My first question to the list is regarding a recommended racing seat brand > and >> model that fits well in a TR4 through 6. We want to get the seat prior to > our >> roll cage design to ensure enough head clearance for our tallest driver. > If >> someone has a "retired" seat they would like to move to a new home, we're >> definitely in the market! Being a Lemons car, we're hoping not to have to > go >> new with this potentially pricey item. We're certain to have more issues >> during our build, so I'll thank the list in advance for their > contributions. >> If successful, we'll be the first TR4 in Lemons. >> >> BTW, we first looked a TR7 coupe in Santa Rosa that could have been bought > for >> $150. Our biggest concern, as well as with my GT6+ parts car I considered >> using, was the head clearance for a full cage when a roof was involved. >> >> Andy Packard >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Dec 17 20:25:09 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:25:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] need help Message-ID: <3D5900C3F4944640A3D2519D1755D85E@hpd530> Hi All, this isn't a Triumph question, but with all of our group's knowledge, I may get some answers. I have an early 70's John Deere 350 dozer with a 3 cylinder Diesel engine. Due to a malfunctioning temp gauge and a brain fade, I overheated the engine. I now have a milkshake in the oil pan. I pulled the head today and didn't see anything obvious; head gasket looked ok, cylinder walls ok, head ok. I think the problem was in #1 cylinder, but found no obvious problems. Any suggestions? Thanks, Bill From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Mon Dec 17 20:34:53 2012 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 14:34:53 +1100 Subject: [Fot] need help In-Reply-To: <3D5900C3F4944640A3D2519D1755D85E@hpd530> References: <3D5900C3F4944640A3D2519D1755D85E@hpd530> Message-ID: Bill, Inspect the bores very carefully. Diesels are known to split/fine crack in the cylinder liner walls when overheated. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Tobin Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2012 2:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] need help Hi All, this isn't a Triumph question, but with all of our group's knowledge, I may get some answers. I have an early 70's John Deere 350 dozer with a 3 cylinder Diesel engine. Due to a malfunctioning temp gauge and a brain fade, I overheated the engine. I now have a milkshake in the oil pan. I pulled the head today and didn't see anything obvious; head gasket looked ok, cylinder walls ok, head ok. I think the problem was in #1 cylinder, but found no obvious problems. Any suggestions? Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic at netspace.net.au From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Mon Dec 17 20:55:24 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 21:55:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Devin In-Reply-To: References: <000c01cddafc$a1980240$e4c806c0$@sbcglobal.net> <5DD2D227C3E54042BA63D69D2435D068@Bud> Message-ID: <43E1963E-C0E1-4826-BFB3-99D8DA8BFDCC@austin.rr.com> I have a Devin body in the attic! I think the trick way is to build mounting pockets moulded around 2x4's and glass those pockets to the body in locations that catch the TR frame body mounts. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2012, at 3:21 AM, TR4 Tony wrote: > I have just bought a Devin E body for a TR4 and plan to put together a little > plastic bodied car .... Similarly any advice about how to attach it to the > frame would be most welcome! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 15 Dec 2012, at 21:18, "RACER BUD" wrote: > >> Also Bill Hart has a Devin TR.. contact Tony Garmey at > horizonracing at msn.com >> RB >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Mitchell" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:44 AM >> Subject: [Fot] Devin >> >> >>> I think that there were a couple of Devin owners on this list, if so, I > have >>> a friend >>> that recently purchased a '59 Devin D Roadster. It was built by Devin, and >>> has a >>> Porsche motor. He has some questions about parts and would like to get in >>> touch >>> with anyone who can help him. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> -- >>> Doug Mitchell >>> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4.tony at virgin.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Mon Dec 17 22:13:43 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:13:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] need help In-Reply-To: <3D5900C3F4944640A3D2519D1755D85E@hpd530> References: <3D5900C3F4944640A3D2519D1755D85E@hpd530> Message-ID: Likely warped head depending on how hot. Check the head for distortion. If off, deck the head and get a compressible copper type gasket IMO. Tyler Thompson l National Account Executive - Public Safety Sector esri | One International Court | Broomfield, CO 80021 Phone: 303.449-7779 ext. 8260, cell: 719.510-1649 | E-mail: tyler_thompson at esri.com Sent from my iPad (Please excuse any errors or typos) On Dec 17, 2012, at 8:25 PM, "Bill Tobin" wrote: > Hi All, this isn't a Triumph question, but with all of our group's knowledge, > I may get some answers. > I have an early 70's John Deere 350 dozer with a 3 cylinder Diesel engine. Due > to a malfunctioning temp gauge and a brain fade, I overheated the engine. I > now have a milkshake in the oil pan. > I pulled the head today and didn't see anything obvious; head gasket looked > ok, cylinder walls ok, head ok. I think the problem was in #1 cylinder, but > found no obvious problems. > Any suggestions? > Thanks, Bill > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tylerpthompson at yahoo.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Tue Dec 18 08:05:45 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:05:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? Message-ID: <50D08649.40100@blacksburg.net> Amici Last year FoT sponsored an "ad", which was a memorial to Uncle Jack, in Burt Levy's latest book ("200 MPH Steamroller"). I notice that Levy is working on a sequel, so I contacted Joe to see what he thought about sponsoring another "ad". He's busy rounding up funding for the 2013 Kastner Cup, but suggested that I poll the group for interest. So what say you? If there's sufficient interest (we had a dozen participants last time) I'll take the lead on this one. jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Dec 18 09:15:46 2012 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:15:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] need help In-Reply-To: References: <3D5900C3F4944640A3D2519D1755D85E@hpd530> Message-ID: <000001cddd3a$f0361410$d0a23c30$@com> That's exactly what happened on our TRactor motor at Gingerman a couple of years ago. We broke the water pump shaft, overheated and had very fine vertical splits/cracks on #3 and #4. In our case it was easy to find because we had water in #3 and #4 bores. When I let it sit overnight the splits showed up due to a fine line of rust on the split. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter Vucinic Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 9:35 PM To: 'Bill Tobin'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] need help Bill, Inspect the bores very carefully. Diesels are known to split/fine crack in the cylinder liner walls when overheated. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Tobin Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2012 2:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] need help Hi All, this isn't a Triumph question, but with all of our group's knowledge, I may get some answers. I have an early 70's John Deere 350 dozer with a 3 cylinder Diesel engine. Due to a malfunctioning temp gauge and a brain fade, I overheated the engine. I now have a milkshake in the oil pan. I pulled the head today and didn't see anything obvious; head gasket looked ok, cylinder walls ok, head ok. I think the problem was in #1 cylinder, but found no obvious problems. Any suggestions? Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic at netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Tue Dec 18 10:45:51 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 17:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] need help In-Reply-To: <000001cddd3a$f0361410$d0a23c30$@com> Message-ID: <1834480888.1167891.1355852751977.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Bill, If you have made a milkshake in the crankcase the bearings are most likely hosed. It's not hard to confirm it if you can get the oil pan off and pull a couple caps. You can buy dye penetrant spray from welding shops to check your cylinder walls ,head & block. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "Peter Vucinic" , "Bill Tobin" , fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 9:15:46 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] need help That's exactly what happened on our TRactor motor at Gingerman a couple of years ago. We broke the water pump shaft, overheated and had very fine vertical splits/cracks on #3 and #4. B In our case it was easy to find because we had water in #3 and #4 bores. B When I let it sit overnight the splits showed up due to a fine line of rust on the split. Tim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter Vucinic Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 9:35 PM To: 'Bill Tobin'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] need help Bill, Inspect the bores very carefully. Diesels are known to split/fine crack in the cylinder liner walls when overheated. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR-4 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Tobin Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2012 2:25 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] need help Hi All, this isn't a Triumph question, but with all of our group's knowledge, I may get some answers. I have an early 70's John Deere 350 dozer with a 3 cylinder Diesel engine. Due to a malfunctioning temp gauge and a brain fade, I overheated the engine. I now have a milkshake in the oil pan. I pulled the head today and didn't see anything obvious; head gasket looked ok, cylinder walls ok, head ok. I think the problem was in #1 cylinder, but found no obvious problems. Any suggestions? Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/pvucinic at netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/timmurph at fastbytes.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Dec 18 15:16:09 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:16:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] Robert Johns Message-ID: <1973513037.1504709.1355868969021.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Robert: Please contact me off line regarding your participation in the 1957 Sebring race. Thanks Gary Horstkorta From peter at nosimport.com Tue Dec 18 15:18:09 2012 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 16:18:09 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Robert Johns In-Reply-To: <1973513037.1504709.1355868969021.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.eme ryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1973513037.1504709.1355868969021.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <20121218221810.B0C9FF440FA@mx2.netinteraction.com> Is there still time to sign up? At 04:16 PM 12/18/2012, vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote: >Robert: > > >Please contact me off line regarding your participation in the 1957 >Sebring race. Thanks > > >Gary Horstkorta From rfdeanes at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 15:49:56 2012 From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 17:49:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Robert Johns In-Reply-To: <20121218221810.B0C9FF440FA@mx2.netinteraction.com> References: <1973513037.1504709.1355868969021.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20121218221810.B0C9FF440FA@mx2.netinteraction.com> Message-ID: You will need a special fast Delorean and the "professors " help....oh..don't forget the lightning! On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Peter Caldwell wrote: > Is there still time to sign up? > > > > At 04:16 PM 12/18/2012, vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote: > >> Robert: >> >> >> Please contact me off line regarding your participation in the 1957 >> Sebring race. Thanks >> >> >> Gary Horstkorta >> > ______________________________**_________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/** > options/fot/rfdeanes at gmail.com > > > -- rob deanes TR Racer From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Dec 18 16:46:15 2012 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:46:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Robert Johns In-Reply-To: <20121218221810.B0C9FF440FA@mx2.netinteraction.com> References: <1973513037.1504709.1355868969021.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <20121218221810.B0C9FF440FA@mx2.netinteraction.com> Message-ID: <6EFECF4D-EA98-4E77-A68F-39448D23FE13@comcast.net> Certainly. Just send me a check for the $300 entry fee and I'll be happy to reserve you a spot on the grid. If you go for that proposition, perhaps you would like to also send me a sizable deposit check for a luxury Italian cruise on the Costa Concordia. Gary Sent from my iPad On Dec 18, 2012, at 2:18 PM, Peter Caldwell wrote: > Is there still time to sign up? > > > At 04:16 PM 12/18/2012, vintage.racer at comcast.net wrote: >> Robert: >> >> >> Please contact me off line regarding your participation in the 1957 Sebring race. Thanks >> >> >> Gary Horstkorta From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 18 17:19:03 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 19:19:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? Message-ID: You might check with Burt to see if there is still time. The book was supposed to be released this past September, but I know he missed that deadline. Not sure when it will be out now. He owes me a copy when it is released. At any rate, I'd be willing to put in some money. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net "J.C. Hassall" wrote: >Amici > >Last year FoT sponsored an "ad", which was a memorial to Uncle Jack, in Burt Levy's latest book ("200 MPH Steamroller"). I notice that Levy is working on a sequel, so I contacted Joe to see what he thought about sponsoring another "ad". He's busy rounding up funding for the 2013 Kastner Cup, but suggested that I poll the group for interest. > >So what say you? If there's sufficient interest (we had a dozen participants last time) I'll take the lead on this one. > >jim > >-- >Jim Hassall >Blacksburg VA >'63 TR4 in autox preparation >99% finished, 90% to go >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From mhado at att.net Tue Dec 18 17:48:25 2012 From: mhado at att.net (M&M Hado) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 18:48:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs Message-ID: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net> I was just finishing up a TR2 engine rebuild and one of the 9.5" studs stripped the threads in the block at the bottom of the 4" hole when I got to about 70 ft-lb. Has anyone successfully put a HeliCoil at the bottom of this hole? The original size of the hole in the block is about 17/32" (just enough to accommodate the 1/2" stud, of course) and this happens to be the tap drill size for the 1/2-13 HeliCoil. The OD of the HeliCoil itself is about .615" so that means I would have to drill out the hole in the block to something larger than this - say 5/8" and save about an inch at the bottom for tapping for the HeliCoil. I'm wondering if there is enough meat in the block to drill out the hole to 5/8". Having gone this far, I really would like to save this block so any ideas/hints/experience would be appreciated. Thanks, Mike Hado From clw2000 at msn.com Wed Dec 19 07:05:33 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:05:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear Message-ID: Friends: I see a lot of folks in various marquees (including Triumphs) using coil-over shocks in the rear to supplement a tired leaf-spring. I noticed Ratco is selling this as an upgrade to the TR suspension. My question, especially with regard to a rotoflex axle in my GT6 is, why not? benefits seem to be: - spring travels same path as shock - easily adjustable spring rate and height downsides: - possible space limitations (probably avoidable when going from donut to CV) - what am I missing??? If you're redoing the entire suspension anyway, is this not a good way to go? And if not, has anyone tried the composite "leaf" springs and saved the 40-50 lbs of steel? Thanks, Chuck Watson From vangoughv at hotmail.com Wed Dec 19 07:59:36 2012 From: vangoughv at hotmail.com (Vince G) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:59:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles, there are some set ups out there for the GT6 if you want a completely new/more modern set up. I think PRI sells what looks like a good conversion. Im on a budget so I took the 15 dollar route and simply added a helper spring to the top of the tired old transverse leaf stack. I bought a 2000# trailer spring at princess auto, used the longest leaf, de-arched it to achieve a lower ride height and slipped it under the top plate that bolts down onto leaf set up. It was simple, cheap and easy to install and works really well. It's nice that I didn't even have to pull the main leaf out in order to do this and could out the helper easily and adjust the arch if need be. I left in the rotoflex setup and run on performance street tires. I figure I'm less likely to break a hub or axle that way but that's just my opinion. When I have a few grand to blow I may do the rear conversion. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-12-19, at 9:05 AM, "Charles WATSON" wrote: > Friends: > > I see a lot of folks in various marquees (including Triumphs) using coil-over > shocks in the rear to supplement a tired leaf-spring. I noticed Ratco is > selling this as an upgrade to the TR suspension. My question, especially with > regard to a rotoflex axle in my GT6 is, why not? > > benefits seem to be: > - spring travels same path as shock > - easily adjustable spring rate and height > > downsides: > - possible space limitations (probably avoidable when going from donut to CV) > - what am I missing??? > > If you're redoing the entire suspension anyway, is this not a good way to go? > And if not, has anyone tried the composite "leaf" springs and saved the 40-50 > lbs of steel? > > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Wed Dec 19 08:56:51 2012 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 10:56:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> On 12/18/2012 7:19 PM, Doug Mitchell wrote: > You might check with Burt to see if there is still time. The book was supposed to be released this past September, but I know he missed that deadline. Not sure when it will be out now. He owes me a copy when it is released. At any rate, I'd be willing to put in some money. > > Doug, good point. Burt said: Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much appreciated! I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. Ideas? Henry, what do you think? TIA jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Dec 19 09:48:40 2012 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:48:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> I did see the conversion from PRI. It looks sweet and cool. If I had the green I would go for it. But... What about using coil overs and just a single leaf. Use the coil over to do the ride hight and ride control and let the leaf do the suspension geometry movements. Any thoughts on how that might work? Isn't there a picture and a small comment about this in one of Kas books? Chris On Dec 19, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Vince G wrote: > Charles, there are some set ups out there for the GT6 if you want a completely > new/more modern set up. I think PRI sells what looks like a good conversion. > > Im on a budget so I took the 15 dollar route and simply added a helper spring > to the top of the tired old transverse leaf stack. I bought a 2000# trailer > spring at princess auto, used the longest leaf, de-arched it to achieve a > lower ride height and slipped it under the top plate that bolts down onto leaf > set up. It was simple, cheap and easy to install and works really well. It's > nice that I didn't even have to pull the main leaf out in order to do this and > could out the helper easily and adjust the arch if need be. > > I left in the rotoflex setup and run on performance street tires. I figure I'm > less likely to break a hub or axle that way but that's just my opinion. When > I have a few grand to blow I may do the rear conversion. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-12-19, at 9:05 AM, "Charles WATSON" wrote: > >> Friends: >> >> I see a lot of folks in various marquees (including Triumphs) using > coil-over >> shocks in the rear to supplement a tired leaf-spring. I noticed Ratco is >> selling this as an upgrade to the TR suspension. My question, especially > with >> regard to a rotoflex axle in my GT6 is, why not? >> >> benefits seem to be: >> - spring travels same path as shock >> - easily adjustable spring rate and height >> >> downsides: >> - possible space limitations (probably avoidable when going from donut to > CV) >> - what am I missing??? >> >> If you're redoing the entire suspension anyway, is this not a good way to > go? >> And if not, has anyone tried the composite "leaf" springs and saved the > 40-50 >> lbs of steel? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Watson >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Dec 19 09:48:52 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:48:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E804667@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> << so perhaps we should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. >> Jimmy Coan? Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J.C. Hassall Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:57 AM To: Doug Mitchell Cc: fot Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? On 12/18/2012 7:19 PM, Doug Mitchell wrote: > You might check with Burt to see if there is still time. The book was supposed to be released this past September, but I know he missed that deadline. Not sure when it will be out now. He owes me a copy when it is released. At any rate, I'd be willing to put in some money. > > Doug, good point. Burt said: Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much appreciated! I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. Ideas? Henry, what do you think? TIA jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com From jhouathome at aol.com Wed Dec 19 12:13:25 2012 From: jhouathome at aol.com (Jhouathome) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:13:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire steering hub? Message-ID: <8F83DD89-66C4-48EE-B47C-EEED43076617@aol.com> Hi everyone. I have a Ginetta G15 going back on the race track this season that uses a Spitfire steering column. I want to install a quick release steering wheel and don't want to weld a hub onto the column if I can avoid it. Any suggestions for a quick release hub that bolts onto the splined steering shaft? Thanks, John Houlton From clw2000 at msn.com Wed Dec 19 13:39:31 2012 From: clw2000 at msn.com (Charles WATSON) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:39:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> References: , <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> Message-ID: The question I am asking myself is: If this is a good idea then why didn't Triumph build them that way when they first went to rotoflex (minor clearance issues aside)? It's not like the technology wasn't there yet. Thanks, Chuck Watson > CC: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear > Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:48:40 -0500 > To: vangoughv at hotmail.com > > I did see the conversion from PRI. It looks sweet and cool. If I had the green I would go for it. > > But... > > What about using coil overs and just a single leaf. Use the coil over to do the ride hight and ride control and let the leaf do the suspension geometry movements. > > Any thoughts on how that might work? > > Isn't there a picture and a small comment about this in one of Kas books? > > Chris > > On Dec 19, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Vince G wrote: > > > Charles, there are some set ups out there for the GT6 if you want a completely > > new/more modern set up. I think PRI sells what looks like a good conversion. > > > > Im on a budget so I took the 15 dollar route and simply added a helper spring > > to the top of the tired old transverse leaf stack. I bought a 2000# trailer > > spring at princess auto, used the longest leaf, de-arched it to achieve a > > lower ride height and slipped it under the top plate that bolts down onto leaf > > set up. It was simple, cheap and easy to install and works really well. It's > > nice that I didn't even have to pull the main leaf out in order to do this and > > could out the helper easily and adjust the arch if need be. > > > > I left in the rotoflex setup and run on performance street tires. I figure I'm > > less likely to break a hub or axle that way but that's just my opinion. When > > I have a few grand to blow I may do the rear conversion. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On 2012-12-19, at 9:05 AM, "Charles WATSON" wrote: > > > >> Friends: > >> > >> I see a lot of folks in various marquees (including Triumphs) using > > coil-over > >> shocks in the rear to supplement a tired leaf-spring. I noticed Ratco is > >> selling this as an upgrade to the TR suspension. My question, especially > > with > >> regard to a rotoflex axle in my GT6 is, why not? > >> > >> benefits seem to be: > >> - spring travels same path as shock > >> - easily adjustable spring rate and height > >> > >> downsides: > >> - possible space limitations (probably avoidable when going from donut to > > CV) > >> - what am I missing??? > >> > >> If you're redoing the entire suspension anyway, is this not a good way to > > go? > >> And if not, has anyone tried the composite "leaf" springs and saved the > > 40-50 > >> lbs of steel? > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Chuck Watson > >> _______________________________________________ > >> fot at autox.team.net > >> > >> http://www.fot-racing.com > >> > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Dec 19 13:41:23 2012 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:41:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire steering hub? In-Reply-To: <8F83DD89-66C4-48EE-B47C-EEED43076617@aol.com> References: <8F83DD89-66C4-48EE-B47C-EEED43076617@aol.com> Message-ID: <2B22C440-D487-43CF-AF9F-42374F836F38@aol.com> If you can't find a way to just bolt a quick release on, I have an extra column if you don't want to mangle yours. Chris On Dec 19, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Jhouathome wrote: > Hi everyone. I have a Ginetta G15 going back on the race track this season > that uses a Spitfire steering column. I want to install a quick release > steering wheel and don't want to weld a hub onto the column if I can avoid it. > Any suggestions for a quick release hub that bolts onto the splined steering > shaft? > Thanks, > John Houlton > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From chasgee at aol.com Wed Dec 19 17:04:06 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:04:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: References: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> Message-ID: Most of us haven't done this because of a rules limitation. Make sure you check with the organization you plan on racing with before spending the money. Chuck On Dec 19, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Charles WATSON wrote: > The question I am asking myself is: If this is a good idea then why didn't > Triumph build them that way when they first went to rotoflex (minor clearance > issues aside)? It's not like the technology wasn't there yet. > > Thanks, > > Chuck Watson > > > > > > >> CC: clw2000 at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net >> From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear >> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 11:48:40 -0500 >> To: vangoughv at hotmail.com >> >> I did see the conversion from PRI. It looks sweet and cool. If I had the > green I would go for it. >> >> But... >> >> What about using coil overs and just a single leaf. Use the coil over to do > the ride hight and ride control and let the leaf do the suspension geometry > movements. >> >> Any thoughts on how that might work? >> >> Isn't there a picture and a small comment about this in one of Kas books? >> >> Chris >> >> On Dec 19, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Vince G wrote: >> >>> Charles, there are some set ups out there for the GT6 if you want a > completely >>> new/more modern set up. I think PRI sells what looks like a good > conversion. >>> >>> Im on a budget so I took the 15 dollar route and simply added a helper > spring >>> to the top of the tired old transverse leaf stack. I bought a 2000# > trailer >>> spring at princess auto, used the longest leaf, de-arched it to achieve a >>> lower ride height and slipped it under the top plate that bolts down onto > leaf >>> set up. It was simple, cheap and easy to install and works really well. > It's >>> nice that I didn't even have to pull the main leaf out in order to do this > and >>> could out the helper easily and adjust the arch if need be. >>> >>> I left in the rotoflex setup and run on performance street tires. I figure > I'm >>> less likely to break a hub or axle that way but that's just my opinion. > When >>> I have a few grand to blow I may do the rear conversion. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 2012-12-19, at 9:05 AM, "Charles WATSON" wrote: >>> >>>> Friends: >>>> >>>> I see a lot of folks in various marquees (including Triumphs) using >>> coil-over >>>> shocks in the rear to supplement a tired leaf-spring. I noticed Ratco is >>>> selling this as an upgrade to the TR suspension. My question, especially >>> with >>>> regard to a rotoflex axle in my GT6 is, why not? >>>> >>>> benefits seem to be: >>>> - spring travels same path as shock >>>> - easily adjustable spring rate and height >>>> >>>> downsides: >>>> - possible space limitations (probably avoidable when going from donut > to >>> CV) >>>> - what am I missing??? >>>> >>>> If you're redoing the entire suspension anyway, is this not a good way > to >>> go? >>>> And if not, has anyone tried the composite "leaf" springs and saved the >>> 40-50 >>>> lbs of steel? >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chuck Watson >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> fot at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 19 17:16:06 2012 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:16:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? Message-ID: I think that Burt's suggestion of a shot of Henry's holed block would be very appropriate for his book. Just need a suitable caption. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net "Barr, Scott" wrote: ><< so perhaps we should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes >forward. >> > >Jimmy Coan? > >Scott B. > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf >Of J.C. Hassall >Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:57 AM >To: Doug Mitchell >Cc: fot >Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > >On 12/18/2012 7:19 PM, Doug Mitchell wrote: >> You might check with Burt to see if there is still time. The book was >supposed to be released this past September, but I know he missed that >deadline. Not sure when it will be out now. He owes me a copy when it is >released. At any rate, I'd be willing to put in some money. >> >> >Doug, good point. Burt said: > >Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany of >excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). >I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you still >have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating members" and >pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole through the side at >The Mitty might be nice.... >Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much >appreciated! > >I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we should >start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. >Ideas? Henry, what do you think? > >TIA > >jim > >-- > >Jim Hassall >Blacksburg VA >'63 TR4 in autox preparation >99% finished, 90% to go >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbarr at mccarty-law.com >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Wed Dec 19 17:47:06 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:47:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to other marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. My vote is we do something for them. Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "Doug Mitchell" Cc: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > Burt said: > Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany > of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you > still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating > members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole > through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much > appreciated! > > I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we > should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > Ideas? Henry, what do you think? From jason at multivintage.com Wed Dec 19 18:09:16 2012 From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:09:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: References: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> Message-ID: > Sorry if this comes through twice, got bounced for "too long". Forgot to > shorten original message... > Anyway... > Unfortunately/ fortunately, there are lots of answers to these questions. The pri independent rear looks neat.... but coil over shocks are specifically mentioned as "not allowed" with all the vintage group's rules that I looked at. I think that here the important thing to understand is that we want a setup that is lower and has limited travel. That's the nut shell. From the beginning days of improvement the cautions have been cost and complexity. You could get really complicated here and have lots of adjustments and options. I'm not sure any of that matters. What I want, and what is fast, is a setup that doesn't move much, never bottoms out, and is stronger than stock. Looks like Vince found a way to do that for 15.00 (Smart) There are several ways to go down this road and some are more complex than others The important basics are mainly a stiffer spring, stronger axles, and better hubs. Steve and Chuck seem to have made great strides in development here with the use of the 240Z axle set. Older versions, like mine.... use TR6 axles and Corvair CV joints (39 years old) or perhaps with custom made billet axles and hubs (and of coarse good hard shocks). Whatever is done and with what parts... essentially all need to accomplish the same thing....give the proper spring height. which in turn gives the proper camber. For the record, about perfect for a race GT6 is 3/4 degree negative. In terms of an acceptable maximum and minimum we are looking for a number of 1 to 1/2 negative. Any beefy set-up in that rage will be fine Keep it simple, make it strong. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Dec 19 18:48:25 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:48:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <5BBAC350-C8AD-4A77-B13A-C0BC8B10DEF4@austin.rr.com> Although I too have suffered the inevitable ventilated block I suspect that our failure rate is no different than the norm for 50/60's small sports cars. Sure 911's seem more dependable but not much else. We are just more humble and self deprecating, a fine trait........ Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2012, at 6:47 PM, wrote: > What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we > Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to other > marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe > perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. > > We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. My > vote is we do something for them. > > Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. > > Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! > > Henry > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J.C. Hassall" > To: "Doug Mitchell" > Cc: "fot" > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > > >> Burt said: > >> Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany >> of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). >> I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you >> still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating >> members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole >> through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... >> Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much >> appreciated! >> >> I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we >> should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. >> Ideas? Henry, what do you think? > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Dec 19 18:53:35 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:53:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <5BBAC350-C8AD-4A77-B13A-C0BC8B10DEF4@austin.rr.com> References: , <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net>, <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local>, <5BBAC350-C8AD-4A77-B13A-C0BC8B10DEF4@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: We could do a collage of ventilated block pictures. :) Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:48:25 -0600 > To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > Although I too have suffered the inevitable ventilated block I suspect that > our failure rate is no different than the norm for 50/60's small sports cars. > Sure 911's seem more dependable but not much else. We are just more humble and > self deprecating, a fine trait........ > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 19, 2012, at 6:47 PM, wrote: > > > What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we > > Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to other > > marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe > > perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. > > > > We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. My > > vote is we do something for them. > > > > Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. > > > > Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! > > > > Henry > > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J.C. Hassall" > > To: "Doug Mitchell" > > Cc: "fot" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > > > > > > >> Burt said: > > > >> Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany > >> of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > >> I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you > >> still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating > >> members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole > >> through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > >> Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much > >> appreciated! > >> > >> I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we > >> should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > >> Ideas? Henry, what do you think? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Wed Dec 19 19:14:40 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:14:40 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: References: , <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net>, <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local>, <5BBAC350-C8AD-4A77-B13A-C0BC8B10DEF4@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE11335A6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> I've got a couple photos of that as well. I think we would probably need a two page spread if ventilated blocks were the theme... Ed Dunn -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:54 PM Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? We could do a collage of ventilated block pictures. :) Marty ---------------------------------------- > From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:48:25 -0600 > To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > Although I too have suffered the inevitable ventilated block I suspect > that our failure rate is no different than the norm for 50/60's small > sports cars. > Sure 911's seem more dependable but not much else. We are just more > humble and > self deprecating, a fine trait........ > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 19, 2012, at 6:47 PM, wrote: > > > What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that > > we Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared > > to other marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not > > believe perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. > > > > We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee > > F. My vote is we do something for them. > > > > Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. > > > > Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! > > > > Henry > > yellow04 at tr4racer.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J.C. Hassall" > > To: "Doug Mitchell" > > Cc: "fot" > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > > > > > > >> Burt said: > > > >> Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full > >> litany of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > >> I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So > >> you still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, > >> "participating members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's > >> motor with the hole through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > >> Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is > >> much appreciated! > >> > >> I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps > >> we should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > >> Ideas? Henry, what do you think? > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Dec 19 19:32:58 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:32:58 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE11335A6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: , <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net>, <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local>, <5BBAC350-C8AD-4A77-B13A-C0BC8B10DEF4@austin.rr.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE11335A6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <50D278DA.8020405@comcast.net> A couple of years ago we were sitting in my engine builders motorhome at the race track enjoying a few Irish coffee's in the evening. His wife was using a blender to make the whipped cream, turned it on with the spoon still inside and ventilated the blender sending whipped cream all over the motorhome. Hadn't laughed that hard in ages. Got a photo for the collage. From SeaCubeCo at aol.com Wed Dec 19 19:36:02 2012 From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 21:36:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE11335A6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> <5BBAC350-C8AD-4A77-B13A-C0BC8B10DEF4@austin.rr.com> <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB01CEE11335A6@TITAN.dwholdings.local> Message-ID: <2A13AF62-8B02-4F0E-9B98-C208EE8EEBD8@aol.com> I have a picture of a rolls-Royce Merlin (air plane engine) that had been ventilated by a broken rod. Basically the only thing that held the front of the block to the rear of the block was the head. It is a sad but awesome picture Chris On Dec 19, 2012, at 9:14 PM, Edward Dunn wrote: > I've got a couple photos of that as well. I think we would probably need a two > page spread if ventilated blocks were the theme... > > Ed Dunn > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of marty sukey > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:54 PM > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > We could do a collage of ventilated block pictures. :) > > Marty > ---------------------------------------- >> From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 19:48:25 -0600 >> To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com >> CC: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? >> >> Although I too have suffered the inevitable ventilated block I suspect >> that our failure rate is no different than the norm for 50/60's small >> sports > cars. >> Sure 911's seem more dependable but not much else. We are just more >> humble > and >> self deprecating, a fine trait........ >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 19, 2012, at 6:47 PM, wrote: >> >>> What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that >>> we Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared >>> to other marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not >>> believe perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. >>> >>> We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee >>> F. My vote is we do something for them. >>> >>> Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. >>> >>> Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! >>> >>> Henry >>> yellow04 at tr4racer.com >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "J.C. Hassall" >>> To: "Doug Mitchell" >>> Cc: "fot" >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? >>> >>> >>> >>>> Burt said: >>> >>>> Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full >>>> litany of excuses available > athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). >>>> I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So >>>> you still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, >>>> "participating members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's >>>> motor with the hole through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... >>>> Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is >>>> much appreciated! >>>> >>>> I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps >>>> we should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. >>>> Ideas? Henry, what do you think? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/trmarty at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Dec 19 21:09:45 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 22:09:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: Agreed - lets do something positive. I'm sure we all have our piles of broken bits / trophies. I've got a beat up corner of a car I rolled hanging in the garage as wall art - and as a reminder that keeping the wheels on the car is important. I like the Jimmy Coan / Lanky F tribute and the Kas Cup winners tribute ideas. Cheers, Tony At 06:47 PM 12/19/2012, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: >What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we >Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to other >marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe >perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. > >We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. My >vote is we do something for them. > >Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. > >Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! > >Henry >yellow04 at tr4racer.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "J.C. Hassall" >To: "Doug Mitchell" >Cc: "fot" >Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM >Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > > > > Burt said: > > > Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany > > of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > > I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you > > still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating > > members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole > > through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > > Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much > > appreciated! > > > > I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we > > should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > > Ideas? Henry, what do you think? >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From mark at bradakis.com Wed Dec 19 21:30:29 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 21:30:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <20121220041121.22C6B40430@autox.team.net> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> <20121220041121.22C6B40430@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <50D29465.1080305@bradakis.com> Tony Drews wrote: > I like the Jimmy Coan / Lanky F tribute and the Kas Cup winners > tribute ideas. > A montage of then and now? Anyone have a pic of Kas in an MG? mjb. From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Dec 19 21:39:48 2012 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 23:39:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <20121220041145.15B8A40423@autox.team.net> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> <20121220041145.15B8A40423@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000d01cdde6c$0af89570$20e9c050$@rogers.com> I have some good Lanky pictures from Watkins Glen if needed. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: December 19, 2012 11:10 PM To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? Agreed - lets do something positive. I'm sure we all have our piles of broken bits / trophies. I've got a beat up corner of a car I rolled hanging in the garage as wall art - and as a reminder that keeping the wheels on the car is important. I like the Jimmy Coan / Lanky F tribute and the Kas Cup winners tribute ideas. Cheers, Tony At 06:47 PM 12/19/2012, yellow04 at tr4racer.com wrote: >What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we >Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to >other marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe >perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. > >We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. >My vote is we do something for them. > >Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. > >Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! > >Henry >yellow04 at tr4racer.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "J.C. Hassall" >To: "Doug Mitchell" >Cc: "fot" >Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM >Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > > > > > Burt said: > > > Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full > > litany of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > > I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So > > you still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, > > "participating members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's > > motor with the hole through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > > Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is > > much appreciated! > > > > I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps > > we should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > > Ideas? Henry, what do you think? >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/macdonaldp at rogers.com From billdentin at aol.com Thu Dec 20 08:36:30 2012 From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:36:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <20121220041119.DB77440454@autox.team.net> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> <20121220041119.DB77440454@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CFACDEEA8E3806-2670-33DD9@webmail-m173.sysops.aol.com> Agreed - lets do something positive. I'm sure we all have our piles f broken bits / trophies. I've got a beat up corner of a car I olled hanging in the garage as wall art - and as a reminder that eeping the wheels on the car is important. I like the Jimmy Coan / anky F tribute and the Kas Cup winners tribute ideas. "Self depreciation" has always been a favorite kind of humor for me. Probably because it comes so easy to me. But other, the GREAT, often use self depreciation as a method to get their public to react, "Are you kidding? You're GREAT!" Thanks to the likes of Kas, Tullius, and literally thousands of shade tree efforts TRIUMPH can do the same. TRIUMPH's record is GREAT! And there has always been a lot of that 'inside self depreciation humor' among the FOT. I'll bet not everyone knows that our orginal FOT logo, when drawn by Greg Petrolati, used the the passing and debris flags vice passing and checkered. A faded copy of that still sits on the front of my enclosed trailer. But we, rightfully, chose the latter. Burt Levy's books and style sure lend themselves to such tongue in cheek humor. And old Blackhawk Farms racers will tell you that Burt Levy's run in TRIUMPHs was a personification of the perverbial rusty, tacky TR3 nickle rocket. BUT they will also tell you that he went fast. So such self-depreciating humorous, and inside jokes work for TRIUMPH, but in this case, I vote with Tony (and others) that we take the High Road and do something classy. I'm in. Bill Dentinger From igofaster at att.net Thu Dec 20 08:39:08 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 07:39:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> References: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> Message-ID: <1356017948.94522.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> As far a coil overs on the rear of a GT6? I'm not an engineer buy on the MKII and MKIII the shock towere is on the inside of the wheel well... I don't think there is enough clearance without major modification to the wheel well to adapt a mounting point. I believe the MKI used a shock mount that mounted somewhat to the frame inside the back of the wheel well... I think there is a modification that I bought from Rimmer Brothers a few years ago to attempt this type of mod... it went back and forth with them because there was a bushing size issue or a clearance type issue... they finally refunded the whole purchase price without asking for the bits and pieces back... maybe a few years later (I haven't looked) they got the specifics right.... Bobby ________________________________ From: Christopher Bock To: Vince G Cc: FOT List Sent: Wed, December 19, 2012 10:52:37 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear I did see the conversion from PRI. It looks sweet and cool. If I had the green I would go for it. But... What about using coil overs and just a single leaf. Use the coil over to do the ride hight and ride control and let the leaf do the suspension geometry movements. Any thoughts on how that might work? Isn't there a picture and a small comment about this in one of Kas books? Chris On Dec 19, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Vince G wrote: > Charles, there are some set ups out there for the GT6 if you want a completely > new/more modern set up. I think PRI sells what looks like a good conversion. > > Im on a budget so I took the 15 dollar route and simply added a helper spring > to the top of the tired old transverse leaf stack. I bought a 2000# trailer > spring at princess auto, used the longest leaf, de-arched it to achieve a > lower ride height and slipped it under the top plate that bolts down onto leaf > set up. It was simple, cheap and easy to install and works really well. It's > nice that I didn't even have to pull the main leaf out in order to do this and > could out the helper easily and adjust the arch if need be. > > I left in the rotoflex setup and run on performance street tires. I figure I'm > less likely to break a hub or axle that way but that's just my opinion. When > I have a few grand to blow I may do the rear conversion. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-12-19, at 9:05 AM, "Charles WATSON" wrote: > >> Friends: >> >> I see a lot of folks in various marquees (including Triumphs) using > coil-over >> shocks in the rear to supplement a tired leaf-spring. I noticed Ratco is >> selling this as an upgrade to the TR suspension. My question, especially > with >> regard to a rotoflex axle in my GT6 is, why not? >> >> benefits seem to be: >> - spring travels same path as shock >> - easily adjustable spring rate and height >> >> downsides: >> - possible space limitations (probably avoidable when going from donut to > CV) >> - what am I missing??? >> >> If you're redoing the entire suspension anyway, is this not a good way to > go? >> And if not, has anyone tried the composite "leaf" springs and saved the > 40-50 >> lbs of steel? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chuck Watson >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From chasgee at aol.com Thu Dec 20 08:44:24 2012 From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 07:44:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: <1356017948.94522.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> <1356017948.94522.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just use the Spitfire mounting points to get the clearance. You might need to find the brackets that mount to the frame. Chuck On Dec 20, 2012, at 7:39 AM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > As far a coil overs on the rear of a GT6? I'm not an engineer buy on the MKII > and MKIII the shock towere is on the inside of the wheel well... I don't think > there is enough clearance without major modification to the wheel well to adapt > a mounting point. > I believe the MKI used a shock mount that mounted somewhat to the frame inside > the back of the wheel well... I think there is a modification that I bought from > Rimmer Brothers a few years ago to attempt this type of mod... it went back and > forth with them because there was a bushing size issue or a clearance type > issue... they finally refunded the whole purchase price without asking for the > bits and pieces back... maybe a few years later (I haven't looked) they got the > specifics right.... > > Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Christopher Bock > To: Vince G > Cc: FOT List > Sent: Wed, December 19, 2012 10:52:37 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear > > I did see the conversion from PRI. It looks sweet and cool. If I had the > green I would go for it. > > But... > > What about using coil overs and just a single leaf. Use the coil over to do > the ride hight and ride control and let the leaf do the suspension geometry > movements. > > Any thoughts on how that might work? > > Isn't there a picture and a small comment about this in one of Kas books? > > Chris > > On Dec 19, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Vince G wrote: > >> Charles, there are some set ups out there for the GT6 if you want a > completely >> new/more modern set up. I think PRI sells what looks like a good > conversion. >> >> Im on a budget so I took the 15 dollar route and simply added a helper > spring >> to the top of the tired old transverse leaf stack. I bought a 2000# trailer >> spring at princess auto, used the longest leaf, de-arched it to achieve a >> lower ride height and slipped it under the top plate that bolts down onto > leaf >> set up. It was simple, cheap and easy to install and works really well. > It's >> nice that I didn't even have to pull the main leaf out in order to do this > and >> could out the helper easily and adjust the arch if need be. >> >> I left in the rotoflex setup and run on performance street tires. I figure > I'm >> less likely to break a hub or axle that way but that's just my opinion. > When >> I have a few grand to blow I may do the rear conversion. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 2012-12-19, at 9:05 AM, "Charles WATSON" wrote: >> >>> Friends: >>> >>> I see a lot of folks in various marquees (including Triumphs) using >> coil-over >>> shocks in the rear to supplement a tired leaf-spring. I noticed Ratco is >>> selling this as an upgrade to the TR suspension. My question, especially >> with >>> regard to a rotoflex axle in my GT6 is, why not? >>> >>> benefits seem to be: >>> - spring travels same path as shock >>> - easily adjustable spring rate and height >>> >>> downsides: >>> - possible space limitations (probably avoidable when going from donut to >> CV) >>> - what am I missing??? >>> >>> If you're redoing the entire suspension anyway, is this not a good way to >> go? >>> And if not, has anyone tried the composite "leaf" springs and saved the >> 40-50 >>> lbs of steel? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chuck Watson >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/vangoughv at hotmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/chasgee at aol.com From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Dec 20 08:52:09 2012 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:52:09 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear In-Reply-To: References: <95ACF40F-6A75-403D-839A-160DBFE11C14@aol.com> <1356017948.94522.YahooMailRC@web182202.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <82BFCF3631841845BADD37BD9FE7EA730E8054F6@SVR-EXCH02.mccarty-law.com> I feel sure Joe Curry will chime in here, but some part of that solution might be what's available on his web page. http://spitlist.info/Shock.Mounts.htm No provision for coil-overs there, though there might be enough space with street tires. For my street GT6, I've been contemplating this issue. The rear spring needs replacing - again. I've owned the car for 16 years and I've replaced the spring at least twice, maybe three times already. Gotta go for one of those composite springs this time, or some sort of coil-over solution. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Gee Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 9:44 AM To: Bobby Whitehead Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Coil Overs at the Rear Just use the Spitfire mounting points to get the clearance. You might need to find the brackets that mount to the frame. Chuck From igofaster at att.net Thu Dec 20 09:07:09 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 08:07:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net> <61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> Message-ID: <1356019629.62870.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I've got a beautiful block with internal modified ventilation.... how about that? he, we can't beat ourselves up too much... my friend Lou Merchant built a beautiful MGA for her daughter to run...three weekends and a block 'ventilated' on both side with holes large enough to fit a fist through... so.. it's not all Triumphs!! there... Merry Christmas ya'll! Bobby ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, December 19, 2012 6:47:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to other marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. My vote is we do something for them. Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "Doug Mitchell" Cc: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > Burt said: > Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany > of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you > still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating > members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole > through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much > appreciated! > > I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we > should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > Ideas? Henry, what do you think? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Thu Dec 20 09:33:26 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:33:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <1356019629.62870.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net><61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local> <1356019629.62870.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7440D8C9B7264E348EE68EFB9862EE7F@gdhs.local> I can contribute a 4 block ventilated on both sides John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE: In order to comply with certain IRS regulations regarding tax advice, we inform you that, unless expressly stated otherwise, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for purposes of (i) avoiding penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bobby Whitehead Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:07 AM To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com Cc: FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? I've got a beautiful block with internal modified ventilation.... how about that? he, we can't beat ourselves up too much... my friend Lou Merchant built a beautiful MGA for her daughter to run...three weekends and a block 'ventilated' on both side with holes large enough to fit a fist through... so.. it's not all Triumphs!! there... Merry Christmas ya'll! Bobby ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, December 19, 2012 6:47:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to other marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. My vote is we do something for them. Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "Doug Mitchell" Cc: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > Burt said: > Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany > of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you > still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating > members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole > through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much > appreciated! > > I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we > should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > Ideas? Henry, what do you think? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From harmug at us.ibm.com Thu Dec 20 09:37:32 2012 From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:37:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 73, Issue 41-Coil Overs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My sons street use 1500 Spit has Monroe Coil over shock booster springs along with the stock leaf spring. The sag is gone, it feels pretty firm and I don't see any clearance issues, but it's obviously not a Rotoflex. I don't know yet how well it works, we bought the car like that and took to get painted last weekend. mike G. Michael Harmuth From list at mackenzie.aero Thu Dec 20 09:47:59 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:47:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 73, Issue 41-Coil Overs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001d01cdded1$c617c4b0$52474e10$@aero> I have the same set up on my street Spit 1500. It works great and is the perfect balance for street and AutoX. If the rear end sits too high you can trim the coil to adjust the height. At something like $60 a pair [Autozone] it is also a sweet deal. Robert MacKenzie Austin Texas '78 1500 (street) '71 GT6 MKIII (project) '62 Spitfire 4 (race) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Harmuth Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:38 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 73, Issue 41-Coil Overs My sons street use 1500 Spit has Monroe Coil over shock booster springs along with the stock leaf spring. The sag is gone, it feels pretty firm and I don't see any clearance issues, but it's obviously not a Rotoflex. I don't know yet how well it works, we bought the car like that and took to get painted last weekend. mike G. Michael Harmuth _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Dec 20 11:11:56 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:11:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1300 Large Bearing Crank - Small Bearing Crank? Message-ID: <8919AAC2-DC3C-4958-9542-BAA65E7FDBDB@comcast.net> Is it possible to tell if a crank is a large bearing crank or a small bearing crank from just looking at it from the outside and still in the car? The PO couldn't really tell me much about the bottom end of the engine now in my Spit so until I pull this engine I may just have to be curious. Have any of you had a large bearing Spitfire crank modified per Kas's example in the Triumph Prep. Handbook? I believe Dan Hall Machine Inc. in Portland is still around but was wondering if there were other machine shops who the list may have used for the cross drilling, etc. of a large bearing crank. Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From triosan at gmail.com Thu Dec 20 12:35:34 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:35:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Connecting Rods with Relief Holes In-Reply-To: References: <010601cdde59$eeca8dc0$cc5fa940$@asmoothmove.biz> Message-ID: Added FOT to this string -- sorry for those it is a duplicate. Wanted to try to equate the hp number I just got of by car from a DynoJet chassis dyno with the numbers from "back in the day". Found a great article at : http://www.hardtail.com/techtips/hpexplained.html to net it out, as it were: HP before 1972 in US was a gross figure -- engine dyno, no accessories. After 72 SAE HP is engine with accessories -- about a 20% parasitic loss (net SAE) When you factor in rear wheel through drive train with a standard tranny you lose 15% more. My racing TR6 was measured at 172 on the dyno [and running rich] with PI, hottest cam I can get, lots of head work and a Pacesetter exhaust maifold to 2.5" pipe with racing muffler [am putting in a Goodparts header before racing next year]. Using .15 for parasitic loss instead of .2, I get about 202 SAE Net HP and a wopping 238 using 1970 gross SAE values. I seem to recall in one of KAS books they were getting around 240 HP on the engines -- and there gross versus net were probably the same as thee were no "accessories" on the race engine. That seems about right also -- I should pick up some HP with the header and leaning it out and I run about 12.5:1 compression. Think Kas was around 14:1. On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Richard Seaton wrote: > > I'd suggest,If not going over 150hp, then the stock rods will be fine. >> > > Don't forget the factory CP cars were 150 HP in stock form. > > I thought I read the late rods were better??? I must be mistaken. >> > > I've had some lengthy discussions with JK Jackson about this and he was, > adamant that early rods are the better choice. > > I believe the reason that the early rods are better is that they don't > start out with a huge stress riser drilled into the rod at the spot where > the stresses all converge. > > But I've been wrong before. > > ;-) > > rml > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > --------------- > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > Former NER Solo Chair | > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > --------------- > > ______________________________**__________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/6pack/triosan at gmail.* > *com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com Thu Dec 20 12:45:41 2012 From: Spitfire_Racing at twcny.rr.com (Spitfire Racing) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 14:45:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1300 Large Bearing Crank - Small Bearing Crank? Message-ID: <002f01cddeea$9836e3a0$c8a4aae0$@rr.com> The size of the crank pulley is larger on the later Spit (large crank) as is the securing nut. The easiest way is to look at the engine number. The small crank engines were all FD or FE prefix while the large crank 1296 engines were FK. The 1500 engines were FM prefix. These appear on a tab of casting on the left rear of the block where it meets with the head. Just to make it interesting, the 1147 engine can have it's crank used in a small crank 1296 (FE or FD) by installing a speedy sleeve on the sealing area in the rear. Russ Moore Spitfire #49 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud R Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 1:12 PM To: fot at autox.team.net List Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1300 Large Bearing Crank - Small Bearing Crank? Is it possible to tell if a crank is a large bearing crank or a small bearing crank from just looking at it from the outside and still in the car? The PO couldn't really tell me much about the bottom end of the engine now in my Spit so until I pull this engine I may just have to be curious. Have any of you had a large bearing Spitfire crank modified per Kas's example in the Triumph Prep. Handbook? I believe Dan Hall Machine Inc. in Portland is still around but was wondering if there were other machine shops who the list may have used for the cross drilling, etc. of a large bearing crank. Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfire_racing at twcny.rr.com From kaskas at cox.net Thu Dec 20 14:05:39 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:05:39 +0000 Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Connecting Rods with Relief Holes In-Reply-To: References: <010601cdde59$eeca8dc0$cc5fa940$@asmoothmove.biz>, , , , Message-ID: All the engines done at the USA Competition Department were with accessories which included water pump and alternator or generator. the same at the factory, but open exhaust with no silencing. The SAE correction factor was and is used by most to compensate for the change in temperature, humidity and barometric pressure. SAE power in DETROIT was always LESS accessories (at least back in the old days). The BHP number I quote is at the FLYWHEEL on the engine dyno. Mysterious things happen to it after that position :-) All of my engines for the Triumph cars used the stock rods modified as I have written. No others were legal under the regulations of 1972 and earlier. My TR-6 engines made 133-138 regularly with 13.0 compression ratio or slightly less as we only had 100 octane gasoline not the present day 110+ race fuel. Making 200 BHP out of the TR-6 engine should be a walk in the park. I did use increased torque values on both the con rods and the mains to stop the caps from fretting. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:35:34 -0800 > From: triosan at gmail.com > To: lang at isis.mit.edu; fot at autox.team.net > CC: 6pack at autox.team.net; rsh17 at msn.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] [6pack] Connecting Rods with Relief Holes > > Added FOT to this string -- sorry for those it is a duplicate. Wanted to > try to equate the hp number I just got of by car from a DynoJet chassis > dyno with the numbers from "back in the day". > > Found a great article at : > http://www.hardtail.com/techtips/hpexplained.html > > to net it out, as it were: > HP before 1972 in US was a gross figure -- engine dyno, no accessories. > After 72 SAE HP is engine with accessories -- about a 20% parasitic loss > (net SAE) > When you factor in rear wheel through drive train with a standard tranny > you lose 15% more. > > My racing TR6 was measured at 172 on the dyno [and running rich] with PI, > hottest cam I can get, lots of head work and a Pacesetter exhaust maifold > to 2.5" pipe with racing muffler [am putting in a Goodparts header before > racing next year]. Using .15 for parasitic loss instead of .2, I get about > 202 SAE Net HP and a wopping 238 using 1970 gross SAE values. I seem to > recall in one of KAS books they were getting around 240 HP on the engines > -- and there gross versus net were probably the same as thee were no > "accessories" on the race engine. That seems about right also -- I should > pick up some HP with the header and leaning it out and I run about 12.5:1 > compression. Think Kas was around 14:1. > > > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > > > On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Richard Seaton wrote: > > > > I'd suggest,If not going over 150hp, then the stock rods will be fine. > >> > > > > Don't forget the factory CP cars were 150 HP in stock form. > > > > I thought I read the late rods were better??? I must be mistaken. > >> > > > > I've had some lengthy discussions with JK Jackson about this and he was, > > adamant that early rods are the better choice. > > > > I believe the reason that the early rods are better is that they don't > > start out with a huge stress riser drilled into the rod at the spot where > > the stresses all converge. > > > > But I've been wrong before. > > > > ;-) > > > > rml > > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > > --------------- > > Bob Lang Triumph TR6!! | This space for rent > > Former NER Solo Chair | > > Voice:617-253-7438 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > > --------------- > > > > ______________________________**__________ > > > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.**html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/**options/6pack/triosan at gmail.* > > *com > > > > > > > > > -- > Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Dec 20 19:21:07 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 20:21:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net> References: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net> Message-ID: I don't know about the Helicoil option. You might be able to convert the "hole" to a short stud with a Helicoil but it may stress the block improperly. FWIW I took apart one block that had a long stud drilled and tapped at the bottom through the block and locked in place that way. It was also drilled for a set screw from the side. It wasn't a running engine but it looked like it had worked. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2012, at 6:48 PM, "M&M Hado" wrote: > I was just finishing up a TR2 engine rebuild and one of the 9.5" studs > stripped the threads in the block at the bottom of the 4" hole when I got to > about 70 ft-lb. Has anyone successfully put a HeliCoil at the bottom of > this hole? > > The original size of the hole in the block is about 17/32" (just enough to > accommodate the 1/2" stud, of course) and this happens to be the tap drill > size for the 1/2-13 HeliCoil. The OD of the HeliCoil itself is about .615" > so that means I would have to drill out the hole in the block to something > larger than this - say 5/8" and save about an inch at the bottom for tapping > for the HeliCoil. I'm wondering if there is enough meat in the block to > drill out the hole to 5/8". > > Having gone this far, I really would like to save this block so any > ideas/hints/experience would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Mike Hado > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From mhado at att.net Thu Dec 20 20:34:50 2012 From: mhado at att.net (M&M Hado) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:34:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: References: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net> Message-ID: <00ef01cddf2c$226b39e0$6741ada0$@att.net> Thanks, Bob. I have decided to put the HeliCoil at the top of the hole and use a short stud. The existing hole is already the exact size for the HeliCoil tap so the installation was easy. I torqued it up and looks to be OK, so I'm hoping for the best with no resulting block stresses that will cause problems. The owner does not stress the car. Thanks for your suggestions. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer [mailto:rkramer3 at austin.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:21 PM To: mhado at att.net Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs I don't know about the Helicoil option. You might be able to convert the "hole" to a short stud with a Helicoil but it may stress the block improperly. FWIW I took apart one block that had a long stud drilled and tapped at the bottom through the block and locked in place that way. It was also drilled for a set screw from the side. It wasn't a running engine but it looked like it had worked. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2012, at 6:48 PM, "M&M Hado" wrote: > I was just finishing up a TR2 engine rebuild and one of the 9.5" studs > stripped the threads in the block at the bottom of the 4" hole when I > got to about 70 ft-lb. Has anyone successfully put a HeliCoil at the > bottom of this hole? > > The original size of the hole in the block is about 17/32" (just > enough to accommodate the 1/2" stud, of course) and this happens to be > the tap drill size for the 1/2-13 HeliCoil. The OD of the HeliCoil itself is about .615" > so that means I would have to drill out the hole in the block to > something larger than this - say 5/8" and save about an inch at the > bottom for tapping for the HeliCoil. I'm wondering if there is enough > meat in the block to drill out the hole to 5/8". > > Having gone this far, I really would like to save this block so any > ideas/hints/experience would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Mike Hado > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From robertten1 at aol.com Thu Dec 20 21:15:17 2012 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 23:15:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Composite Spring Message-ID: <8CFAD48EA8ACD9D-A94-39120@webmail-m185.sysops.aol.com> Ooops ! Someone on here asked about manufacturer of composite leaf springs. I bought mine from Flex-A-Form ( 864-261-7006 ) was just over $300. Mine is for my Spit GT its super light and is rated at 250 lb. I believe some one on the list had one for sale awhile back. Cheers & good luck, Bob T. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Dec 21 05:36:41 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 13:36:41 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: <00ef01cddf2c$226b39e0$6741ada0$@att.net> References: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net> <00ef01cddf2c$226b39e0$6741ada0$@att.net> Message-ID: <002701cddf77$d68cb3e0$83a61ba0$@com> If that would be good to set the bolt upstairs to the block to the factory would have done it back in the days - shorter bolts are cheaper ;-) I once did cure the problem this way. I drilled out the hole to fit a M18 sleeve. The inside was prepared for the stud to fit down in the block. The outside was fitted with the M18 thread over the whole length. The sleeve was run in with epoxy and the little protrusion was removed very gently with a fine file. Example for a short sleeve: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Mc_c4IxD4NY/UNRWKwzstaI/AAAAAAAABk4/cEYb7 NrE2as/s985/DSCN1569.JPG -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von M&M Hado Gesendet: Freitag, 21. Dezember 2012 04:35 An: 'Bob Kramer' Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs Thanks, Bob. I have decided to put the HeliCoil at the top of the hole and use a short stud. The existing hole is already the exact size for the HeliCoil tap so the installation was easy. I torqued it up and looks to be OK, so I'm hoping for the best with no resulting block stresses that will cause problems. The owner does not stress the car. Thanks for your suggestions. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Bob Kramer [mailto:rkramer3 at austin.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:21 PM To: mhado at att.net Cc: Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs I don't know about the Helicoil option. You might be able to convert the "hole" to a short stud with a Helicoil but it may stress the block improperly. FWIW I took apart one block that had a long stud drilled and tapped at the bottom through the block and locked in place that way. It was also drilled for a set screw from the side. It wasn't a running engine but it looked like it had worked. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2012, at 6:48 PM, "M&M Hado" wrote: > I was just finishing up a TR2 engine rebuild and one of the 9.5" studs > stripped the threads in the block at the bottom of the 4" hole when I > got to about 70 ft-lb. Has anyone successfully put a HeliCoil at the > bottom of this hole? > > The original size of the hole in the block is about 17/32" (just > enough to accommodate the 1/2" stud, of course) and this happens to be > the tap drill size for the 1/2-13 HeliCoil. The OD of the HeliCoil > itself is about .615" > so that means I would have to drill out the hole in the block to > something larger than this - say 5/8" and save about an inch at the > bottom for tapping for the HeliCoil. I'm wondering if there is enough > meat in the block to drill out the hole to 5/8". > > Having gone this far, I really would like to save this block so any > ideas/hints/experience would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Mike Hado > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From riverside at southslope.net Fri Dec 21 08:24:54 2012 From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:24:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? In-Reply-To: <7440D8C9B7264E348EE68EFB9862EE7F@gdhs.local> References: <50D1E3C3.1010708@blacksburg.net><61B0E7A80C5C4C4199FB57F456EEABE8@TRIUMPH.local><1356019629.62870.YahooMailRC@web182206.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <7440D8C9B7264E348EE68EFB9862EE7F@gdhs.local> Message-ID: <964448E156624D37A6512114BF03CB8B@rileyPC> sadly, I can contribute a beautifully ventilated 86mm venolia piston. upside: it is easy to move around art de armond -----Original Message----- From: john hasty Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:33 AM To: 'Bobby Whitehead' ; yellow04 at tr4racer.com Cc: 'FoT Triumph' Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? I can contribute a 4 block ventilated on both sides John H. Hasty Attorney At Law Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C. 719 East Boulevard Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113 Tele: (704) 372-5600 Fax: (704) 372-4601 E-mail: jhhasty at gdhs.com www.gdhs.com PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message (and any attachments) is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL, and/or may contain ATTORNEY WORK PRODUCT. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately. Thank you. 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I've got a beautiful block with internal modified ventilation.... how about that? he, we can't beat ourselves up too much... my friend Lou Merchant built a beautiful MGA for her daughter to run...three weekends and a block 'ventilated' on both side with holes large enough to fit a fist through... so.. it's not all Triumphs!! there... Merry Christmas ya'll! Bobby ________________________________ From: "yellow04 at tr4racer.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, December 19, 2012 6:47:25 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? What I think is this. Burt is trying to find humor in the fact that we Triumph racers suffer a disproportional amount of DNF's compared to other marques. While there may be some truth to this, I do not believe perpetuating this thought in Burt's book does us any favors. We have lost some amazing wrenches recently, Jimmy Coan and Lankee F. My vote is we do something for them. Or we do a collage of Kastner Cup winners and cars. Or anything but a picture of a ventilated block, especially mine! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.C. Hassall" To: "Doug Mitchell" Cc: "fot" Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Another sponsorship for Levy's next book? > Burt said: > Fortunately for you (?) I'm still writing the blessed thing (full litany > of excuses available athttp://www.lastopenroad.com/lameexcuses1.html). > I expect to be done in the spring and have it out early summer. So you > still have plenty of time to line up your suck...er, "participating > members" and pick a theme. A shot of Henry Frye's motor with the hole > through the side at The Mitty might be nice.... > Thanks for thinking of me (!!!!) and the participation by FOT is much > appreciated! > > I'm very pleasantly surprised at the commitment so far; so perhaps we > should start thinking of a theme for our "ad" if this goes forward. > Ideas? Henry, what do you think? _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/riverside at southslope.net ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5972 - Release Date: 12/19/12 From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 21 09:09:17 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:09:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] PICTURES OF THE ICONIC ROAD AMERICA PAGODA SOUGHT Message-ID: <8CFADACA9606733-1B04-3C1FF@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> FOT: I am looking for full frontal views of the old T & S PAGODA at ROAD AMERICA. Any offerings and sources would be greatly appreciated. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 21 11:18:17 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 13:18:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] PAGODA REQUEST THANKS...I think I have all I need for research Message-ID: <8CFADBEAEE44331-1B04-3D10B@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com> Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Dec 21 13:06:35 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 14:06:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: <002701cddf77$d68cb3e0$83a61ba0$@com> References: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net> <00ef01cddf2c$226b39e0$6741ada0$@att.net> <002701cddf77$d68cb3e0$83a61ba0$@com> Message-ID: The factory did make them short -- on the Standard Vanguard engine that preceded the TR engine. Duncan (Texas) 1952 Morgan Plus 4 (had the Vanguard engine when new) On Dec 21, 2012, at 6:36 AM, MadMarx wrote: > If that would be good to set the bolt upstairs to the block to the factory > would have done it back in the days - shorter bolts are cheaper ;-) From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com Fri Dec 21 16:45:08 2012 From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:45:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3963D0D9-4BC7-4174-B05F-4DB496C11DAE@gmail.com> The Standard Vanguard was 2088 cc's and power rating was 68 hp at 4300 rpm, whereas the 1990 cc TR2 engine (same stroke, 1mm smaller bore) produced 90 hp at 4800 rpm. I have read a story about Standard factory engineers visiting Australian David van Dal after getting wind of the level of power he claimed to have wrung out of the Standard Vanguard in his early Morgan Plus Four. Dubious at first, apparently they learned something from this innovative racer. I'm not sure about the stud diameter, but it seems likely they were upgraded too. Duncan On Dec 21, 2012, at 3:47 PM, Randall wrote: >> The factory did make them short -- on the Standard Vanguard >> engine that preceded the TR engine. > > Didn't it also use smaller studs, and make about half as much power? > > -- Randall From igofaster at att.net Fri Dec 21 18:43:07 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:43:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] da bomb Message-ID: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> JOE A. ...you da BOMB ! thanks for the videos ! haven't watched The Bomb yet but you know what? I do get to watch the ->California Air<- video again and further note... I'd rather push a Triumph than drive a Cadillac... even though my GT-6+ had self ventilated, I have a signed Triumph by Kas Kastner on that video production... Kas, you and Peggy were so very gracious to me after I sought you out at the Mitty. My engine was blown and I asked you "should you sign it ready to push?" .. with a small thought you graciously responded and signed, "how about 'Racing Soon, Kas Kastner' ...a smiling memory for me for my lifetime ... How cool is that? I get all weepy and sappy around this time of year, as this year comes to close so here if you don't like the love.... Thank you all my friends with the love of Triumph's in your heart for being , dare I boast , one of us! Merry Christmas Ya'll ~! Love from Texas, Bobby From mark at bradakis.com Fri Dec 21 18:50:35 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:50:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] da bomb In-Reply-To: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50D511EB.8070001@bradakis.com> Bobby Whitehead wrote: > Thank you all my friends with the love of Triumph's in your heart for being , > dare I boast , one of us! > Amen to that! mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Fri Dec 21 18:52:05 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:52:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Out of town Message-ID: <50D51245.8020109@bradakis.com> I'll be in down in Orange County for a bit visiting family, so if the server blows up while I am gone I won't be able to do much. mjb. From budscars at comcast.net Fri Dec 21 18:53:40 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:53:40 -0800 Subject: [Fot] da bomb References: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <50D511EB.8070001@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1049DD61120A4DADAF79F1E9B5BAF0CF@Bud> Rock on Triumph owners!! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "FoT Triumph" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] da bomb > Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> Thank you all my friends with the love of Triumph's in your heart for >> being , >> dare I boast , one of us! >> > > Amen to that! > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 21 19:12:57 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:12:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] da bomb In-Reply-To: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFAE00FE31FB87-1964-3F7A0@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> no Bobby....you be "da BOMB......." Notes: KCUP 2013 looks like a record year for GT6 and Spitfire Entries. North American Spitfire Squadron is planning on making KCUP a regional meet. GT6 & Spitfire magazine will be there to do your stories and take your pictures. Bobby, bring your guitar and we will find electricity. Bring your CALIFORNIA AIR, too. John Clancy plans to be with us. He will sign it for you. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Whitehead To: Joe Alexander Cc: FoT Triumph Sent: Fri, Dec 21, 2012 7:43 pm Subject: da bomb JOE A. ...you da BOMB ! thanks for the videos ! haven't watched The Bomb yet but you know what? I do get to watch the ->California Air<- video again and further note... I'd rather push a Triumph than drive a Cadillac... even though my GT-6+ had self ventilated, I have a signed Triumph by Kas Kastner on that video production... Kas, you and Peggy were so very gracious to me after I sought you out at the Mitty. My engine was blown and I asked you "should you sign it ready to push?" .. with a small thought you graciously responded and signed, "how about 'Racing Soon, Kas Kastner' ...a smiling memory for me for my lifetime ... How cool is that? I get all weepy and sappy around this time of year, as this year comes to close so here if you don't like the love.... Thank you all my friends with the love of Triumph's in your heart for being , dare I boast , one of us! Merry Christmas Ya'll ~! Love from Texas, Bobby From stutzmans at comcast.net Fri Dec 21 19:18:55 2012 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:18:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: References: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net><00ef01cddf2c$226b39e0$6741ada0$@att.net><002701cddf77$d68cb3e0$83a61ba0$@com> Message-ID: <476980F46761412CA5F72BCF0AF82F19@ComputerPC> One of the many modifications made when the 68 hp. Vangard engine was being modified for the 90 hp. TR2, was changing the block casting so longer studs could be screwed deeper into the block. The block was cracking at the original short stud holes. So, good luck Mike. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Charlton" To: "FOT at autox.team.net Triumph" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs > The factory did make them short -- on the Standard Vanguard engine that > preceded the TR engine. > > Duncan > (Texas) > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 (had the Vanguard engine when new) > > > On Dec 21, 2012, at 6:36 AM, MadMarx wrote: > >> If that would be good to set the bolt upstairs to the block to the >> factory >> would have done it back in the days - shorter bolts are cheaper ;-) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net From budscars at comcast.net Fri Dec 21 19:21:23 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:21:23 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <60742FD3C9AB4A0A8604F5BAF9B3BABE@Bud> Hi Gang..I would like to nominate Bob Greer of Sonoma, CA to FOT..Bob has been vintage racing for about 20 years in an MGB and before that an Austin Healey.. Bob is now doing a complete restoration of a street Mk2 Spitfire.. I'm not real sure how to get him started with the gang His email is robonglen at yahoo.com thanks Racer Bud Spitfire #21 From n197tr4 at cs.com Fri Dec 21 19:27:22 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:27:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <60742FD3C9AB4A0A8604F5BAF9B3BABE@Bud> References: <60742FD3C9AB4A0A8604F5BAF9B3BABE@Bud> Message-ID: <8CFAE03022C006A-1964-3F84D@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> Another Spitfire? Outstanding! Mark, can you add him before you leave for CA? Welcome aboard! Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com -----Original Message----- From: RACER BUD To: fot Cc: BOB SURFBUM GREER Sent: Fri, Dec 21, 2012 8:22 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination Hi Gang..I would like to nominate Bob Greer of Sonoma, CA to FOT..Bob has been vintage racing for about 20 years in an MGB and before that an Austin Healey.. Bob is now doing a complete restoration of a street Mk2 Spitfire.. I'm not real sure how to get him started with the gang His email is robonglen at yahoo.com thanks Racer Bud Spitfire #21 _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From mark at bradakis.com Fri Dec 21 20:01:27 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 20:01:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <60742FD3C9AB4A0A8604F5BAF9B3BABE@Bud> References: <60742FD3C9AB4A0A8604F5BAF9B3BABE@Bud> Message-ID: <50D52287.3000706@bradakis.com> Done deal. mjb. From mhado at att.net Fri Dec 21 20:26:16 2012 From: mhado at att.net (M&M Hado) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:26:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: <476980F46761412CA5F72BCF0AF82F19@ComputerPC> References: <009b01cddd82$8d94ab30$a8be0190$@att.net><00ef01cddf2c$226b39e0$6741ada0$@att.net><002701cddf77$d68cb3e0$83a61ba0$@com> <476980F46761412CA5F72BCF0AF82F19@ComputerPC> Message-ID: <010801cddff4$1a45aac0$4ed10040$@att.net> I'm crossing my fingers, but I think it will be fine. Thanks for all the input from everyone. Mike -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stutzmans Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 8:19 PM To: Duncan Charlton; FOT at autox.team.net Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs One of the many modifications made when the 68 hp. Vangard engine was being modified for the 90 hp. TR2, was changing the block casting so longer studs could be screwed deeper into the block. The block was cracking at the original short stud holes. So, good luck Mike. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan Charlton" To: "FOT at autox.team.net Triumph" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs > The factory did make them short -- on the Standard Vanguard engine > that preceded the TR engine. > > Duncan > (Texas) > 1952 Morgan Plus 4 (had the Vanguard engine when new) > > > On Dec 21, 2012, at 6:36 AM, MadMarx wrote: > >> If that would be good to set the bolt upstairs to the block to the >> factory would have done it back in the days - shorter bolts are >> cheaper ;-) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/stutzmans at comcast.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/mhado at att.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Dec 21 14:47:46 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 13:47:46 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR2 Cylinder Head Studs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > The factory did make them short -- on the Standard Vanguard > engine that preceded the TR engine. Didn't it also use smaller studs, and make about half as much power? -- Randall From yellow04 at tr4racer.com Sat Dec 22 03:23:30 2012 From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 05:23:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cheers, MJB! References: <50D51245.8020109@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <4DDEFA24004F45A480FBC38F5C6BFBC3@TRIUMPH.local> Mark, Thanks again for all you do for us, enjoy your time away. Tis the season for good tidings and cheer, and spreading some of it towards the team.net server fund helps keep things going, and helps with stocking Mark's fridge with festive beverages. That's always important, especially this time of year! Think about clicking the donate link at the bottom of this message. The hours Mark volunteers to all this happen for us is something we are ALL thankful for. Happy Holidays! Henry yellow04 at tr4racer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 8:52 PM Subject: [Fot] Out of town > I'll be in down in Orange County for a bit visiting family, so if the > server > blows up while I am gone I won't be able to do much. > > mjb. From stocktontr4 at gmail.com Sat Dec 22 11:09:01 2012 From: stocktontr4 at gmail.com (dick stockton) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:09:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FS: TR7/Saab valve adjusting pads Message-ID: Leftover from my shop days. Many assorted TR7 valve adjusting pads. Email for a photo. Make an offer. Thanks. From bownes at seiri.com Sat Dec 22 11:29:12 2012 From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes -Seiri) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:29:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Data logging Message-ID: For those that are looking for a nice little data logging system, these folks are looking to get their project funded. http://www.indiegogo.com/RaceCapture?c=activity Bob From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sat Dec 22 12:42:12 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:42:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] da bomb In-Reply-To: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Bobby, Sent from my iPhone On Dec 21, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > JOE A. ...you da BOMB ! thanks for the videos ! > haven't watched The Bomb yet but you know what? I do get to watch the > ->California Air<- video again and further note... I'd rather push a Triumph > than drive a Cadillac... even though my GT-6+ had self ventilated, I have a > signed Triumph by Kas Kastner on that video production... > > Kas, you and Peggy were so very gracious to me after I sought you out at the > Mitty. My engine was blown and I asked you "should you sign it ready to push?" > .. with a small thought you graciously responded and signed, "how about 'Racing > Soon, Kas Kastner' ...a smiling memory for me for my lifetime ... How cool is > that? I get all weepy and sappy around this time of year, as this year comes to > close so here if you don't like the love.... > > Thank you all my friends with the love of Triumph's in your heart for being , > dare I boast , one of us! > > Merry Christmas Ya'll ~! > > Love from Texas, Bobby > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sat Dec 22 12:50:35 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 13:50:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] da bomb In-Reply-To: References: <1356140587.70090.YahooMailRC@web182201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0CA3E164-467C-41C2-B153-8FB096022314@yahoo.com> Sorry FOT, Hit send at the wrong time, dang old eyes and small phone screens! Merry Christmas to all! Mike Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2012, at 1:42 PM, Mike Munson wrote: > Hey Bobby, > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 21, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Bobby Whitehead wrote: > >> JOE A. ...you da BOMB ! thanks for the videos ! >> haven't watched The Bomb yet but you know what? I do get to watch the >> ->California Air<- video again and further note... I'd rather push a > Triumph >> than drive a Cadillac... even though my GT-6+ had self ventilated, I have a >> signed Triumph by Kas Kastner on that video production... >> >> Kas, you and Peggy were so very gracious to me after I sought you out at the >> Mitty. My engine was blown and I asked you "should you sign it ready to > push?" >> .. with a small thought you graciously responded and signed, "how about > 'Racing >> Soon, Kas Kastner' ...a smiling memory for me for my lifetime ... How cool > is >> that? I get all weepy and sappy around this time of year, as this year comes > to >> close so here if you don't like the love.... >> >> Thank you all my friends with the love of Triumph's in your heart for being > , >> dare I boast , one of us! >> >> Merry Christmas Ya'll ~! >> >> Love from Texas, Bobby >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From levilevi at comcast.net Sat Dec 22 16:18:50 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:18:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire 1300 Camshaft 88812 Crankshaft 43398 Message-ID: <4A371F35-031C-4FE6-8D41-843132DD3591@comcast.net> The only marking on the spare camshaft I'm checking out is a stamped 88312. The spare crankshaft (large bearing) is stamped 43398. I've done some searches but found nothing definitive. Anyone know what these numbers might indicate as far as make, model, specs, etc. for either one? Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 22 17:07:43 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:07:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Idle Chatter Message-ID: <3DECF430-9CB9-4B67-929C-B206F50AD47D@sbcglobal.net> A M I C I & Friends I made the cover of my 1100 club magazine. Check it out. www.the1100club.com Dennis From igofaster at att.net Sat Dec 22 18:46:38 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 17:46:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Dave Brouwer also commented on your Wall post. Message-ID: <1356227198.50786.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Not TRIUMPH.... but racing....cool link with the hardware! will this link work? my buddy Dave got the link with the Traqmate and GoPro figured out.. Bobby http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HWwuavBXXE From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Dec 23 13:21:48 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:21:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FOT TRIVIA SAM HALKIAS AND RICHARD TAYLOR SHARE THE SAME BIRTH DATES today........ Message-ID: <8CFAF62455B22B5-80C-48154@webmail-d084.sysops.aol.com> Pretty useless info, I guess. Joe Alexander A. R. E. 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 319.464.4711 (cell) n197tr4 at cs.com From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Dec 23 14:18:24 2012 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 16:18:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] FOT TRIVIA SAM HALKIAS AND RICHARD TAYLOR SHARE THE SAME BIRTH DATE... Message-ID: In a message dated 12/23/2012 2:21:57 PM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > Pretty useless info, I guess. > What are you talking about? That's critical information that comes up in TRIVIA PURSUIT competition all the time. MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR. Bill (Damdinger) From fasttrs at yahoo.com Sun Dec 23 19:00:04 2012 From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 18:00:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] FOT TRIVIA SAM HALKIAS AND RICHARD TAYLOR SHARE THE SAME BIRTH DATE... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1356314404.10096.YahooMailNeo@web120704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Sam and his lovely wife Carol share the same birthday as well. Mike ________________________________ From: "BillDentin at aol.com" To: n197tr4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT TRIVIA SAM HALKIAS AND RICHARD TAYLOR SHARE THE SAME BIRTH DATE... In a message dated 12/23/2012 2:21:57 PM Central Standard Time, n197tr4 at cs.com writes: > Pretty useless info, I guess. > What are you talking about? That's critical information that comes up in TRIVIA PURSUIT competition all the time. MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR. Bill (Damdinger) _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/fasttrs at yahoo.com From kaskas at cox.net Sun Dec 23 19:39:21 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 02:39:21 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Crankshafts Message-ID: So I went into the garage today and was going to move some sections of old railroad rail iron into the yard, but there were a bunch of little guys beating the crap out of this iron with hammers making old iron into crankshafts for Triumph engines. Whoa, these are serious Elves. Got your order in? Not too late to ask. Never be beaten by equipment From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Dec 23 20:32:52 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 22:32:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Wedge Fiberglass Parts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Passing on some info that was given to me. There is a guy in the Cleveland Ohio area that has some new TR7/8 fiberglass front fenders and hoods for sale at $100 each. His name is Eric at 216-281-4048. Contact him direct for more info. I have no first hand knowledge of him or the fenders. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 24 08:11:25 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:11:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Crankshafts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK! I'll take one. Peace all. On Dec 23, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > net From igofaster at att.net Mon Dec 24 08:21:28 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:21:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Crankshafts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1356362488.96489.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I've been pretty good this year and would love a billet crank for my GT6 under the tree.... however, I don't think anybody makes one unless it's one off primo dinereo .. Merry Christmas Peggy and KAS and my family with F.o.T. ! Bobby ________________________________ From: Kas Kastner To: fot Sent: Sun, December 23, 2012 8:39:52 PM Subject: [Fot] Crankshafts So I went into the garage today and was going to move some sections of old railroad rail iron into the yard, but there were a bunch of little guys beating the crap out of this iron with hammers making old iron into crankshafts for Triumph engines. Whoa, these are serious Elves. Got your order in? Not too late to ask. Never be beaten by equipment _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From vintageautoservice at yahoo.com Mon Dec 24 08:34:07 2012 From: vintageautoservice at yahoo.com (Guy Morter) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 07:34:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all Message-ID: <1356363247.87089.YahooMailClassic@web162203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Guy Morter Vintage Auto Service 262 573 4511 Flatheads Forever! From my71spit13 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 25 09:29:06 2012 From: my71spit13 at yahoo.com (Shawn Frank) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 08:29:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Merry Christmas Message-ID: <1356452946.8129.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Merry Christmas to all of my new found Friends of Triumph! I will be reading my signed copy of Kas Kastner's Triumph Prep Handbook! Have a great holiday...Shawn, Tammy, and Ethyn Frank From budscars at comcast.net Tue Dec 25 09:44:48 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 08:44:48 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Merry Christmas References: <1356452946.8129.YahooMailNeo@web120702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2A6B6441AC9C45DE9962384DA43E7AD5@Bud> Merry Christmas Shawn and all of FOT Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Frank" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 8:29 AM Subject: [Fot] Merry Christmas > Merry Christmas to all of my new found Friends of Triumph! I will be > reading my signed copy of Kas Kastner's Triumph Prep Handbook! Have a > great holiday...Shawn, Tammy, and Ethyn Frank > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Tue Dec 25 13:33:03 2012 From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 13:33:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. Message-ID: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/vintage-racing-shakeups/ Nice pic gents. Happy Holidays. Ty From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Dec 25 13:51:16 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 12:51:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. In-Reply-To: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1356468676.95473.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Photos tell a whole story. Bob Kramer and Greg Blake appear to have their attention on something other than the upcoming race. Merry Xmas to all! -Ed- --- On Tue, 12/25/12, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote: From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. To: "jason at multivintage.com" Cc: "Triumph Friends of" Date: Tuesday, December 25, 2012, 2:33 PM http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/vintage-racing-shakeups/ Nice pic gents. Happy Holidays. Ty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Dec 25 14:07:55 2012 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:07:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Just saw a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. The KASTNER CUP at The Mitty 2012 In-Reply-To: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> References: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CFB0FB0A50E9BA-96C-536C0@webmail-d050.sysops.aol.com> and many are recognizable.......plus please note one of the grid girls. Classic Motorsports orchestrated the big fanfare at the STARTING GRID at THE MITTY.....with on site interviews of drivers and organizers. The CLASSIC MOTORSPORTS GRID GIRLS were a nice touch.......Kas and I almost missed it.....curious, we came out of our perch on the hill and rode the golf car in. No one had told us. A failure to communicate. But it went well. I'd like to see us do this at Road America for KCUP 2013. It will require some additional organization, that would include the FOT, VSCDA, and RA......John Houlton, Mike Korneli, and I will discuss and see where it goes. It's a nice feature. We will likely go directly to the podium for awarding of the Kastner Cup....Kas and I have discussed MARQUE AWARDS, and I would like to proceed with that idea. Joe Alexander Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/vintage-racing-shakeups/ Nice pic gents. Happy Holidays. Ty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/n197tr4 at cs.com From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Dec 24 23:12:20 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 22:12:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] MERRY CHRISTMAS Message-ID: <1356415940.62090.YahooMailClassic@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> It is officially midnight and I am sitting here waiting for Santa to come. To all the wonderful people who make this list so great... have a very Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year. I wish all of you the best this holiday season and in the coming year. Thank you and God bless all of you that have touched my life. -Ed- From budscars at comcast.net Tue Dec 25 14:32:19 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 13:32:19 -0800 Subject: [Fot] MERRY CHRISTMAS References: <1356415940.62090.YahooMailClassic@web181401.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ed!..Merry Christmas and God Bless You also!... Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD BARNARD" To: "FOT" Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 10:12 PM Subject: [Fot] MERRY CHRISTMAS > It is officially midnight and I am sitting here waiting for Santa to come. > To > all the wonderful people who make this list so great... have a very Merry > Christmas and a prosperous New Year. I wish all of you the best this > holiday > season and in the coming year. > Thank you and God bless all of you that have touched my life. > -Ed- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From mark at bradakis.com Tue Dec 25 20:43:03 2012 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 20:43:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Home again Message-ID: <50DA7247.9060602@bradakis.com> Back home again, now to start catching up. mjb. From triosan at gmail.com Tue Dec 25 23:11:04 2012 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 22:11:04 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. In-Reply-To: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> References: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> Message-ID: That picture, of course, was at pre-grid for the Mitty/Kas Cup race last April at Road Atlanta. I have posted 42 shots I took at the start of that race at https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737956856713038417 I was on the camera platform at the end of the front straight. Chuck On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com < Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com> wrote: > http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/vintage-racing-shakeups/ > > Nice pic gents. > > Happy Holidays. > > Ty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/triosan at gmail.com > > > -- Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Dec 25 23:58:29 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 22:58:29 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spotted on Cragslist : Triumph Spitfire Engine and other parts in Anaheim, CA Message-ID: <22.D9.05345.010AAD05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> I don't know anything about this, but thought perhaps someone might be in need of a spare 1200 engine ... http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/pts/3501074058.html Randall From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Dec 23 08:05:02 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:05:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Go-Pro / Traqmate In-Reply-To: <1356227198.50786.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1356227198.50786.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: So how DID you get the Traqmate overlay on the GoPro? I'm intrigued! Cheers, Tony At 07:46 PM 12/22/2012, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >Not TRIUMPH.... but racing....cool link with the hardware! > >will this link work? my buddy Dave got the link with the Traqmate and GoPro >figured out.. > > >Bobby > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HWwuavBXXE >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com Wed Dec 26 00:08:54 2012 From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 23:08:54 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Spotted on Cragslist : Triumph Spitfire Engine and other parts in Anaheim, CA In-Reply-To: <22.D9.05345.010AAD05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <22.D9.05345.010AAD05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <76D7CF27-071F-426A-BC69-D2C2860DA651@qualityfueltrailers.com> Bought a spare GT6 motor & trans from him. Decent deal for cores. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2012, at 10:59 PM, "Randall" wrote: > I don't know anything about this, but thought perhaps someone might be in > need of a spare 1200 engine ... > > http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/pts/3501074058.html > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Dec 26 06:04:12 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 06:04:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Go-Pro / Traqmate In-Reply-To: <20121226070701.F028240529@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Tony, Traqmate offers the sync cable and software for Go Pro HD. I'm not sure how the sync cable works, I use the chase cam with the traqmate. Jim Gray http://store.traqmate.com/HD-Video-Upgrade-p/930022.htm -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 8:05 AM To: Bobby Whitehead; FoT Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Go-Pro / Traqmate So how DID you get the Traqmate overlay on the GoPro? I'm intrigued! Cheers, Tony At 07:46 PM 12/22/2012, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >Not TRIUMPH.... but racing....cool link with the hardware! > >will this link work? my buddy Dave got the link with the Traqmate and GoPro >figured out.. > > >Bobby > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HWwuavBXXE >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From markvaden at gmail.com Wed Dec 26 08:30:57 2012 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 07:30:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Go-Pro / Traqmate In-Reply-To: <20121226070705.DDF9B40537@autox.team.net> References: <1356227198.50786.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20121226070705.DDF9B40537@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <66A93B94-5795-48F6-B7DF-A9392D30BDE2@gmail.com> Hi Tony, It looks like they used Traqmate's traqstudio program, which costs an additional $199. You can also use software which I wrote and sell (in the hopes of funding my tr4 racing) called DashWare. DashWare is currently on sale for 39.99 at www.DashWare.net. I am admittedly biased, but Dashware offers way more flexibility. Traqmate only has 2 or 3 dashes where as our software has dozens plus the ability to create more. I have already created triumph tr4 dash overlays and they are installed with DashWare. We have a free trial that lets you do everything but write out your final video. Mark Sent from my iPhone On Dec 23, 2012, at 7:05 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > So how DID you get the Traqmate overlay on the GoPro? I'm intrigued! > > Cheers, Tony > > At 07:46 PM 12/22/2012, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >> Not TRIUMPH.... but racing....cool link with the hardware! >> >> will this link work? my buddy Dave got the link with the Traqmate and GoPro >> figured out.. >> >> >> Bobby >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HWwuavBXXE >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/markvaden at gmail.com From norlinengineering at comcast.net Wed Dec 26 12:12:56 2012 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Jim Norlin) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:12:56 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Go-Pro / Traqmate In-Reply-To: <66A93B94-5795-48F6-B7DF-A9392D30BDE2@gmail.com> References: <1356227198.50786.YahooMailRC@web182204.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20121226070705.DDF9B40537@autox.team.net> <66A93B94-5795-48F6-B7DF-A9392D30BDE2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50DB4C38.3070601@comcast.net> I've just purchased the Dashware software. I used the trial version to synch video from my GoPro and data from my AIM system. It was fun trying out different looks and I'm very happy with the results. My AIM system uses a beacon instead of GPS and it took a while to figure out how to line up the two files, but once I did, it turned out great. On 12/26/2012 7:30 AM, Mark Vaden wrote: > Hi Tony, > > It looks like they used Traqmate's traqstudio program, which costs an > additional $199. > > You can also use software which I wrote and sell (in the hopes of funding my > tr4 racing) called DashWare. DashWare is currently on sale for 39.99 at > www.DashWare.net. I am admittedly biased, but Dashware offers way more > flexibility. Traqmate only has 2 or 3 dashes where as our software has dozens > plus the ability to create more. I have already created triumph tr4 dash > overlays and they are installed with DashWare. We have a free trial that lets > you do everything but write out your final video. > > Mark > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 23, 2012, at 7:05 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > >> So how DID you get the Traqmate overlay on the GoPro? I'm intrigued! >> >> Cheers, Tony >> >> At 07:46 PM 12/22/2012, Bobby Whitehead wrote: >>> Not TRIUMPH.... but racing....cool link with the hardware! >>> >>> will this link work? my buddy Dave got the link with the Traqmate and > GoPro >>> figured out.. >>> >>> >>> Bobby >>> >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HWwuavBXXE >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/markvaden at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/norlinengineering at comcast.net From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Dec 26 12:55:15 2012 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:55:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. In-Reply-To: <1356468676.95473.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> <1356468676.95473.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801cde3a2$ecc7da20$c6578e60$@rr.com> The Union Jack of course...did I miss something? Greg -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 2:51 PM To: jason at multivintage.com; Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Cc: Bob Kramer; GregoryBlake; Triumph Friends of; GregoryBlake Subject: Re: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. Photos tell a whole story. Bob Kramer and Greg Blake appear to have their attention on something other than the upcoming race. Merry Xmas to all! -Ed- --- On Tue, 12/25/12, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote: From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. To: "jason at multivintage.com" Cc: "Triumph Friends of" Date: Tuesday, December 25, 2012, 2:33 PM http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/vintage-racing-shakeups/ Nice pic gents. Happy Holidays. Ty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Dec 26 17:54:07 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 19:54:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions Message-ID: A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on the liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head gasket is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could be probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. Question is, do I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove the cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they will be challenging based upon some being stripped already. Thanks, From tr4 at wi.rr.com Wed Dec 26 18:22:34 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 19:22:34 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <78.4F.23502.ED2ABD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> What I have found through past experience is that with a solid copper head gasket you want the protrusion on the low side of spec and maybe down to .002" The reading you have is way too much for any of the current gaskets. If I surface the top of the block, which is frequently needed I correct the cylinder protrusion by taking off the required length from the seat of the liners. I made a setup on my lathe to make this a fairly easy process since I do a lot of these builds. As far as the crankshaft.... Any reputable crank grinder will as part of the process remove the plugs, grind the crank, thoroughly clean and reinstall new plugs! If you find one that does not follow this process find a new crankshaft grinder. I have noticed a number of decent crank grinders closing shop these days. There are many reasons for this which are understandable in today's economy and lack of engine rebuilds being accomplished. If you do find a good crank grinder spread the word and help these folks out. With the lack of work available and only being able to charge about $250 for a grinding it is very hard to make money when their machines cost around $50k or more. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:54 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on the liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head gasket is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could be probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. Question is, do I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove the cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they will be challenging based upon some being stripped already. Thanks, _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Wed Dec 26 19:03:27 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 19:03:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <78.4F.23502.ED2ABD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: Steve & Marty The copper head gasket could be the shim type gasket. The old shim steel gaskets are now shim copper gaskets and are very soft. On the crank plugs I learned early to ask for them to be removed when I get the crank back. My ex-crank grinder never sent it back clean. Always packed with cuttings & debris. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Yott Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:23 PM To: 'marty sukey'; 'FOT' Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions What I have found through past experience is that with a solid copper head gasket you want the protrusion on the low side of spec and maybe down to .002" The reading you have is way too much for any of the current gaskets. If I surface the top of the block, which is frequently needed I correct the cylinder protrusion by taking off the required length from the seat of the liners. I made a setup on my lathe to make this a fairly easy process since I do a lot of these builds. As far as the crankshaft.... Any reputable crank grinder will as part of the process remove the plugs, grind the crank, thoroughly clean and reinstall new plugs! If you find one that does not follow this process find a new crankshaft grinder. I have noticed a number of decent crank grinders closing shop these days. There are many reasons for this which are understandable in today's economy and lack of engine rebuilds being accomplished. If you do find a good crank grinder spread the word and help these folks out. With the lack of work available and only being able to charge about $250 for a grinding it is very hard to make money when their machines cost around $50k or more. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:54 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on the liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head gasket is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could be probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. Question is, do I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove the cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they will be challenging based upon some being stripped already. Thanks, _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Dec 26 19:35:02 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:35:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <20121227021544.7495D40552@autox.team.net> References: <20121227021544.7495D40552@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <9EC3C3DB-8A2F-46B4-A1CC-3DCA44DC6F13@gdhs.com> Gee whiz guys. Maybe you should consider sending your cranks down here to NASCAR country. These guys do it right. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > Steve & Marty > The copper head gasket could be the shim type gasket. The old shim steel > gaskets are now shim copper gaskets and are very soft. > On the crank plugs I learned early to ask for them to be removed when > I get the crank back. My ex-crank grinder never sent it back clean. > Always packed with cuttings & debris. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Steve Yott > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:23 PM > To: 'marty sukey'; 'FOT' > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > What I have found through past experience is that with a solid copper head > gasket you want the protrusion on the low side of spec and maybe down to > .002" The reading you have is way too much for any of the current gaskets. > If I surface the top of the block, which is frequently needed I correct the > cylinder protrusion by taking off the required length from the seat of the > liners. I made a setup on my lathe to make this a fairly easy process since > I do a lot of these builds. > > As far as the crankshaft.... Any reputable crank grinder will as part of the > process remove the plugs, grind the crank, thoroughly clean and reinstall > new plugs! If you find one that does not follow this process find a new > crankshaft grinder. I have noticed a number of decent crank grinders > closing shop these days. There are many reasons for this which are > understandable in today's economy and lack of engine rebuilds being > accomplished. If you do find a good crank grinder spread the word and help > these folks out. With the lack of work available and only being able to > charge about $250 for a grinding it is very hard to make money when their > machines cost around $50k or more. > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of marty sukey > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:54 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on > the liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a > HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head > gasket is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and > could be probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. > Question is, do I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? > > Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove > the cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. > It looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of > the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they > will be challenging based upon some being stripped already. > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From johnstydo at gmail.com Wed Dec 26 19:35:16 2012 From: johnstydo at gmail.com (John Styduhar) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:35:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic Motorsports Article. In-Reply-To: <001801cde3a2$ecc7da20$c6578e60$@rr.com> References: <0CCC7126-67AE-49D6-B8AA-B0185CDB9C22@yahoo.com> <1356468676.95473.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001801cde3a2$ecc7da20$c6578e60$@rr.com> Message-ID: John Hastey missed something too! On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > The Union Jack of course...did I miss something? > > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD > Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 2:51 PM > To: jason at multivintage.com; Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > Cc: Bob Kramer; GregoryBlake; Triumph Friends of; GregoryBlake > Subject: Re: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic > Motorsports Article. > > Photos tell a whole story. Bob Kramer and Greg Blake appear to have their > attention on something other than the upcoming race. > Merry Xmas to all! > -Ed- > > --- On Tue, 12/25/12, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > wrote: > > > From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com > Subject: [Fot] Just saw Jason and a gaggle of Triumphs in Classic > Motorsports Article. > To: "jason at multivintage.com" > Cc: "Triumph Friends of" > Date: Tuesday, December 25, 2012, 2:33 PM > > > http://classicmotorsports.net/articles/vintage-racing-shakeups/ > > Nice pic gents. > > Happy Holidays. > > Ty > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/ablake2 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/johnstydo at gmail.com From trmarty at hotmail.com Wed Dec 26 19:42:58 2012 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (trmarty at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:42:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <9EC3C3DB-8A2F-46B4-A1CC-3DCA44DC6F13@gdhs.com> References: <20121227021544.7495D40552@autox.team.net> <9EC3C3DB-8A2F-46B4-A1CC-3DCA44DC6F13@gdhs.com> Message-ID: Car probably would not be able to turn right any more if we did that :) Marty Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon Wirelessb" -----Original message----- From: John Hasty To: Jim Gray Cc: "" , marty sukey , FOT Sent: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 02:35:02 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions Gee whiz guys. Maybe you should consider sending your cranks down here to NASCAR country. These guys do it right. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > Steve & Marty > The copper head gasket could be the shim type gasket. The old shim steel > gaskets are now shim copper gaskets and are very soft. > On the crank plugs I learned early to ask for them to be removed when > I get the crank back. My ex-crank grinder never sent it back clean. > Always packed with cuttings & debris. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Steve Yott > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:23 PM > To: 'marty sukey'; 'FOT' > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > What I have found through past experience is that with a solid copper head > gasket you want the protrusion on the low side of spec and maybe down to > .002" The reading you have is way too much for any of the current gaskets. > If I surface the top of the block, which is frequently needed I correct the > cylinder protrusion by taking off the required length from the seat of the > liners. I made a setup on my lathe to make this a fairly easy process since > I do a lot of these builds. > > As far as the crankshaft.... Any reputable crank grinder will as part of the > process remove the plugs, grind the crank, thoroughly clean and reinstall > new plugs! If you find one that does not follow this process find a new > crankshaft grinder. I have noticed a number of decent crank grinders > closing shop these days. There are many reasons for this which are > understandable in today's economy and lack of engine rebuilds being > accomplished. If you do find a good crank grinder spread the word and help > these folks out. With the lack of work available and only being able to > charge about $250 for a grinding it is very hard to make money when their > machines cost around $50k or more. > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of marty sukey > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:54 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on > the liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a > HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head > gasket is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and > could be probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. > Question is, do I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? > > Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove > the cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. > It looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of > the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they > will be challenging based upon some being stripped already. > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From tr4 at wi.rr.com Wed Dec 26 20:01:18 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:01:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <76.A0.26019.10ABBD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Now that's funny! Steve _____ From: trmarty at hotmail.com [mailto:trmarty at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 8:43 PM To: John Hasty; Jim Gray Cc: ; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions Car probably would not be able to turn right any more if we did that :) Marty Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon WirelessT -----Original message----- From: John Hasty To: Jim Gray Cc: "" , marty sukey , FOT Sent: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 02:35:02 GMT+00:00 Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions Gee whiz guys. Maybe you should consider sending your cranks down here to NASCAR country. These guys do it right. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > Steve & Marty > The copper head gasket could be the shim type gasket. The old shim steel > gaskets are now shim copper gaskets and are very soft. > On the crank plugs I learned early to ask for them to be removed when > I get the crank back. My ex-crank grinder never sent it back clean. > Always packed with cuttings & debris. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Steve Yott > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:23 PM > To: 'marty sukey'; 'FOT' > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > What I have found through past experience is that with a solid copper head > gasket you want the protrusion on the low side of spec and maybe down to > .002" The reading you have is way too much for any of the current gaskets. > If I surface the top of the block, which is frequently needed I correct the > cylinder protrusion by taking off the required length from the seat of the > liners. I made a setup on my lathe to make this a fairly easy process since > I do a lot of these builds. > > As far as the crankshaft.... Any reputable crank grinder will as part of the > process remove the plugs, grind the crank, thoroughly clean and reinstall > new plugs! If you find one that does not follow this process find a new > crankshaft grinder. I have noticed a number of decent crank grinders > closing shop these days. There are many reasons for this which are > understandable in today's economy and lack of engine rebuilds being > accomplished. If you do find a good crank grinder spread the word and help > these folks out. With the lack of work available and only being able to > charge about $250 for a grinding it is very hard to make money when their > machines cost around $50k or more. > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of marty sukey > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:54 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on > the liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a > HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head > gasket is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and > could be probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. > Question is, do I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? > > Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove > the cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. > It looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of > the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they > will be challenging based upon some being stripped already. > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From jhhasty at gdhs.com Wed Dec 26 20:45:32 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:45:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <76.A0.26019.10ABBD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <76.A0.26019.10ABBD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: Ok you guys. Remember Sears Point & Watkins Glen & if you are mature enough Riverside oh and 24 hrs @ Daytona. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2012, at 10:01 PM, "Steve Yott" wrote: > Now that's funny! > Steve > > From: trmarty at hotmail.com [mailto:trmarty at hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 8:43 PM > To: John Hasty; Jim Gray > Cc: ; FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > Car probably would not be able to turn right any more if we did that :) > > Marty > > Sent via DroidX2 on Verizon Wirelessb" > > > -----Original message----- > From: John Hasty > To: Jim Gray > Cc: "" , marty sukey , FOT > Sent: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 02:35:02 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > Gee whiz guys. Maybe you should consider sending your cranks down here to NASCAR country. These guys do it right. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 26, 2012, at 9:03 PM, "Jim Gray" wrote: > > > Steve & Marty > > The copper head gasket could be the shim type gasket. The old shim steel > > gaskets are now shim copper gaskets and are very soft. > > On the crank plugs I learned early to ask for them to be removed when > > I get the crank back. My ex-crank grinder never sent it back clean. > > Always packed with cuttings & debris. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of Steve Yott > > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:23 PM > > To: 'marty sukey'; 'FOT' > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > > > What I have found through past experience is that with a solid copper head > > gasket you want the protrusion on the low side of spec and maybe down to > > .002" The reading you have is way too much for any of the current gaskets. > > If I surface the top of the block, which is frequently needed I correct the > > cylinder protrusion by taking off the required length from the seat of the > > liners. I made a setup on my lathe to make this a fairly easy process since > > I do a lot of these builds. > > > > As far as the crankshaft.... Any reputable crank grinder will as part of the > > process remove the plugs, grind the crank, thoroughly clean and reinstall > > new plugs! If you find one that does not follow this process find a new > > crankshaft grinder. I have noticed a number of decent crank grinders > > closing shop these days. There are many reasons for this which are > > understandable in today's economy and lack of engine rebuilds being > > accomplished. If you do find a good crank grinder spread the word and help > > these folks out. With the lack of work available and only being able to > > charge about $250 for a grinding it is very hard to make money when their > > machines cost around $50k or more. > > > > Steve Yott > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > > Behalf Of marty sukey > > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:54 PM > > To: FOT > > Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > > > A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on > > the liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a > > HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head > > gasket is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and > > could be probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. > > Question is, do I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? > > > > Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove > > the cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. > > It looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of > > the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they > > will be challenging based upon some being stripped already. > > > > Thanks, > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/toodamnfunky at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > > fot at autox.team.net > > > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 26 21:53:04 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 22:53:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1E641D8B-2D1C-4630-81D0-B2B751D9145B@sbcglobal.net> Marty - I like to make the figure 8 gaskets from sheets of brass with the thickness that will get protrusion into spec. D On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: > A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on the > liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a HP > street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head gasket > is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could be > probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. Question is, do > I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? > > Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove the > cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It > looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of the > hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they will > be challenging based upon some being stripped already. > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Wed Dec 26 18:26:35 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 19:26:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E26F184-11A6-4486-A55A-7C6D4930FA23@austin.rr.com> Make sure you measure protrusion after setting a head on top. I set it all up dry and run nuts down all the studs. You may find out that you have less protrusion than you first measured. The steel figure 8's are stamped and press down to around .0155". If you still have more than .005" you will need to have custom gaskets made. Mordy Dunst "Gasket Works" makes them. Cleaning the crank without pulling the plugs is a guessing game. Get them out before spending money on the crank! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: > A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on the > liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a HP > street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head gasket > is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could be > probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. Question is, do > I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? > > Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove the > cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It > looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of the > hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they will > be challenging based upon some being stripped already. > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Thu Dec 27 09:14:26 2012 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Delap) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:14:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <8E26F184-11A6-4486-A55A-7C6D4930FA23@austin.rr.com> References: <8E26F184-11A6-4486-A55A-7C6D4930FA23@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: <36CBEC8D-BC6D-4723-A2F9-E2FE7E54C35F@sbcglobal.net> Speaking of the figure 8 gasket - what are you all using as a sealant these days? On Dec 26, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Make sure you measure protrusion after setting a head on top. I set it all up > dry and run nuts down all the studs. You may find out that you have less > protrusion than you first measured. The steel figure 8's are stamped and press > down to around .0155". If you still have more than .005" you will need to have > custom gaskets made. Mordy Dunst "Gasket Works" makes them. > > Cleaning the crank without pulling the plugs is a guessing game. Get them out > before spending money on the crank! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: > >> A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am working on > the >> liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is a HP >> street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. Head > gasket >> is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could > be >> probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. Question is, > do >> I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? >> >> Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to remove > the >> cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It >> looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple of the >> hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm thinking they > will >> be challenging based upon some being stripped already. >> >> Thanks, >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net From tr4 at wi.rr.com Thu Dec 27 09:45:19 2012 From: tr4 at wi.rr.com (Steve Yott) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:45:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <36CBEC8D-BC6D-4723-A2F9-E2FE7E54C35F@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <5E.73.23502.12B7CD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> I use a thin layer of the "Right Stuff".... I put that crap on everything!!!! As per the lady in the hot sauce commercial... Since it takes awhile to get everything in place and bolted down you don't want to use a fast set gasket sealer. I really like the Right Stuff as it will not fail you and does take a little while to setup. Steve Yott -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dennis Delap Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:14 AM To: Bob Kramer Cc: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions Speaking of the figure 8 gasket - what are you all using as a sealant these days? On Dec 26, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Make sure you measure protrusion after setting a head on top. I set it > all up > dry and run nuts down all the studs. You may find out that you have > less protrusion than you first measured. The steel figure 8's are > stamped and press > down to around .0155". If you still have more than .005" you will need > to have > custom gaskets made. Mordy Dunst "Gasket Works" makes them. > > Cleaning the crank without pulling the plugs is a guessing game. Get > them out > before spending money on the crank! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: > >> A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am >> working on > the >> liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is >> a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. >> Head > gasket >> is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could > be >> probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. >> Question is, > do >> I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? >> >> Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to >> remove > the >> cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It >> looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple >> of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm >> thinking they > will >> be challenging based upon some being stripped already. >> >> Thanks, >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From koblinger at verizon.net Thu Dec 27 11:18:06 2012 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:18:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] So Cal Machine Shop Recommendation Message-ID: <50DC90DE.2050709@verizon.net> Looking for recommendations for machine work for a GT6 engine. Just typical rebuild work; clean the block, check the crank bore and align bore if needed, turn the crank, balance, etc, etc. Prefer the So. Bay, Redondo, Torrance area or possibly Long Beach. TIA, Kurt Oblinger From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Dec 27 09:48:29 2012 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:48:29 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <5E.73.23502.12B7CD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <5E.73.23502.12B7CD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <2D0B3B50-897B-4743-9D77-328DC6E262E5@austin.rr.com> I settled on Hylomar blue in a tube. It self heals and I spread it on thin between two fingers. I used to use aerosol Hylomar for head gaskets when it was available. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 27, 2012, at 10:45 AM, "Steve Yott" wrote: > I use a thin layer of the "Right Stuff".... I put that crap on > everything!!!! As per the lady in the hot sauce commercial... > > Since it takes awhile to get everything in place and bolted down you don't > want to use a fast set gasket sealer. I really like the Right Stuff as it > will not fail you and does take a little while to setup. > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Dennis Delap > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:14 AM > To: Bob Kramer > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > Speaking of the figure 8 gasket - what are you all using as a sealant these > days? > > > On Dec 26, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > >> Make sure you measure protrusion after setting a head on top. I set it >> all > up >> dry and run nuts down all the studs. You may find out that you have >> less protrusion than you first measured. The steel figure 8's are >> stamped and > press >> down to around .0155". If you still have more than .005" you will need >> to > have >> custom gaskets made. Mordy Dunst "Gasket Works" makes them. >> >> Cleaning the crank without pulling the plugs is a guessing game. Get >> them > out >> before spending money on the crank! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: >> >>> A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am >>> working on >> the >>> liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is >>> a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. >>> Head >> gasket >>> is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and > could >> be >>> probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. >>> Question > is, >> do >>> I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? >>> >>> Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to >>> remove >> the >>> cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. > It >>> looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple >>> of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm >>> thinking they >> will >>> be challenging based upon some being stripped already. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com From igofaster at att.net Thu Dec 27 18:36:01 2012 From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:36:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] So Cal Machine Shop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <50DC90DE.2050709@verizon.net> References: <50DC90DE.2050709@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1356658561.69993.YahooMailRC@web182203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> also on the hunt for a machine shop that can do the long line boring procedure to allow cam bearings for the GT6... Bobby ________________________________ From: Kurt Oblinger To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Thu, December 27, 2012 12:19:19 PM Subject: [Fot] So Cal Machine Shop Recommendation Looking for recommendations for machine work for a GT6 engine. Just typical rebuild work; clean the block, check the crank bore and align bore if needed, turn the crank, balance, etc, etc. Prefer the So. Bay, Redondo, Torrance area or possibly Long Beach. TIA, Kurt Oblinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/igofaster at att.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Dec 28 04:08:32 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:08:32 +0100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <36CBEC8D-BC6D-4723-A2F9-E2FE7E54C35F@sbcglobal.net> References: <8E26F184-11A6-4486-A55A-7C6D4930FA23@austin.rr.com> <36CBEC8D-BC6D-4723-A2F9-E2FE7E54C35F@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <000c01cde4eb$af528240$0df786c0$@com> As these fig-8 gaskets to corrode quickly I install them in a way that NO water can reach them. A thick layer of silicone on the block surface and a thick layer of silicone on the sleeve foot. Never a drop get past this barrier. Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Dennis Delap Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Dezember 2012 17:14 An: Bob Kramer Cc: FOT Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions Speaking of the figure 8 gasket - what are you all using as a sealant these days? On Dec 26, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Bob Kramer wrote: > Make sure you measure protrusion after setting a head on top. I set it > all up > dry and run nuts down all the studs. You may find out that you have > less protrusion than you first measured. The steel figure 8's are > stamped and press > down to around .0155". If you still have more than .005" you will need > to have > custom gaskets made. Mordy Dunst "Gasket Works" makes them. > > Cleaning the crank without pulling the plugs is a guessing game. Get > them out > before spending money on the crank! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: > >> A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am >> working on > the >> liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This is >> a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new sleeves. >> Head > gasket >> is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel and could > be >> probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. >> Question is, > do >> I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? >> >> Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to >> remove > the >> cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out sufficiently. It >> looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple >> of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm >> thinking they > will >> be challenging based upon some being stripped already. >> >> Thanks, >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4racing at googlemail.com From levilevi at comcast.net Fri Dec 28 10:16:49 2012 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:16:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 build questions In-Reply-To: <5E.73.23502.12B7CD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> References: <5E.73.23502.12B7CD05@hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <8E4EEEA1-405E-4C21-A075-6D60F4EF8D18@comcast.net> I'm a "Right Stuff" user too. It works great and I've even used it to stop leaks on the outer edge of a timing cover that I didn't have the time or inclination to go through the whole process of removing all the things needed to pull the cover. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Steve Yott wrote: > I use a thin layer of the "Right Stuff".... I put that crap on > everything!!!! As per the lady in the hot sauce commercial... > > Since it takes awhile to get everything in place and bolted down you > don't > want to use a fast set gasket sealer. I really like the Right Stuff > as it > will not fail you and does take a little while to setup. > > Steve Yott > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of Dennis Delap > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:14 AM > To: Bob Kramer > Cc: FOT > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 build questions > > Speaking of the figure 8 gasket - what are you all using as a > sealant these > days? > > > On Dec 26, 2012, at 7:26 PM, Bob Kramer > wrote: > >> Make sure you measure protrusion after setting a head on top. I set >> it >> all > up >> dry and run nuts down all the studs. You may find out that you have >> less protrusion than you first measured. The steel figure 8's are >> stamped and > press >> down to around .0155". If you still have more than .005" you will >> need >> to > have >> custom gaskets made. Mordy Dunst "Gasket Works" makes them. >> >> Cleaning the crank without pulling the plugs is a guessing game. Get >> them > out >> before spending money on the crank! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 26, 2012, at 6:54 PM, marty sukey wrote: >> >>> A little advice needed from the TR4 masses. On the engine I am >>> working on >> the >>> liner protrusion is .008"/.009". Spec calls out .003"/.005". This >>> is >>> a HP street engine. Block and head are freshly surfaced, new >>> sleeves. >>> Head >> gasket >>> is one of BFE's copper ones. The figure 8 gaskets are .016" steel >>> and > could >> be >>> probably be surface ground down to reach the .003"/.005" spec. >>> Question > is, >> do >>> I need to do this or is the extra protrusion ok? >>> >>> Second question, After the crank is ground I am thinking I need to >>> remove >> the >>> cross drilling plugs so that I can clean the internals out >>> sufficiently. > It >>> looks like this has been attempted sometime in the past as a couple >>> of the hex's are stripped out. Should I remove/replace these? I'm >>> thinking they >> will >>> be challenging based upon some being stripped already. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> _______________________________________________ >>> fot at autox.team.net >>> >>> http://www.fot-racing.com >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/yellow-green at sbcglobal.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr4 at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/levilevi at comcast.net From kaskas at cox.net Fri Dec 28 15:21:39 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:21:39 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: V-12 DIESEL ENGINE THAT FITS IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND In-Reply-To: <2C0D3EB1-529F-4D0E-8E10-814CCC9F9BDD@mac.com> References: , <2C0D3EB1-529F-4D0E-8E10-814CCC9F9BDD@mac.com> Message-ID: Just when you begain to feel smug about your machining and engine building, you see a master and his acomplishment. Never be beaten by equipment Begin forwarded message: Subject: V-12 DIESEL ENGINE THAT FITS IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND Date: December 28, 2012 12:24:15 PM PST ; YOU HAVE GOT TO WATCH THIS CLIP, ITS AMAZING VIDEO OF TRUE CRAFTSMANSHIP. AN OPERATIONAL V-12 DIESEL ENGINE THAT FITS IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND. This is not CNC Technology; this guy made everything at home on his lathe and drill press. Took 1220 hours to make the 261 pieces. Note the end-loaded crankshaft into the block (like an Offy), 12 individual cylinder heads, TINY rods and pistons, dual "underhead" cams with pushrods to rockers in the heads. And, he did break-in runs using an electric drill driving the crankshaft! Even if you're not an engineer, you'll love this! www.wimp.com/tiniestengine/ From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Dec 28 16:20:56 2012 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 18:20:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: V-12 DIESEL ENGINE THAT FITS IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND In-Reply-To: , <2C0D3EB1-529F-4D0E-8E10-814CCC9F9BDD@mac.com> References: , <2C0D3EB1-529F-4D0E-8E10-814CCC9F9BDD@mac.com> Message-ID: He has also built an amazing radial aircraft engine as well. Both are actually powered by compressed air. If he would connect to a small boiler he would have a very advanced poppet valve steam engine. Incredible piece of work. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Kas Kastner To: fot Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 5:21 PM Subject: [Fot] FW: V-12 DIESEL ENGINE THAT FITS IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND Just when you begain to feel smug about your machining and engine building, you see a master and his acomplishment. Never be beaten by equipment Begin forwarded message: Subject: V-12 DIESEL ENGINE THAT FITS IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND Date: December 28, 2012 12:24:15 PM PST ; YOU HAVE GOT TO WATCH THIS CLIP, ITS AMAZING VIDEO OF TRUE CRAFTSMANSHIP. AN OPERATIONAL V-12 DIESEL ENGINE THAT FITS IN THE PALM OF YOUR HAND. This is not CNC Technology; this guy made everything at home on his lathe and drill press. Took 1220 hours to make the 261 pieces. Note the end-loaded crankshaft into the block (like an Offy), 12 individual cylinder heads, TINY rods and pistons, dual "underhead" cams with pushrods to rockers in the heads. And, he did break-in runs using an electric drill driving the crankshaft! Even if you're not an engineer, you'll love this! www.wimp.com/tiniestengine/ _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tlizzard at msn.com From list at mackenzie.aero Thu Dec 27 15:22:55 2012 From: list at mackenzie.aero (Robert MacKenzie) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:22:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] So Cal Machine Shop Recommendation In-Reply-To: <50DC90DE.2050709@verizon.net> References: <50DC90DE.2050709@verizon.net> Message-ID: <000f01cde480$b96b5ba0$2c4212e0$@aero> There is only one place to go: Costa Mesa R&D 123 Monte Vista Avenue, Costa Mesa, CA 92627 (949) 631-6376 John Edwards John is an amazing machinist who actually wrote the book on how to re-build engines. John is also famous for his YouTube videos under the name of "fiatnutz" where he showcases some the innovative methods he had developed over the years. Additionally he has developed a custom bee-hive valve spring for use on Spitfire race engines. I have them on one of my heads and he can put them on you GT6 head as well. Some videos for Triumphs: Spitfire Bee-hive springs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLlY0sTYYBY Bee-hive spring retainer mods: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTjApt0hOlk Spitfire con rod mods: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-RkCY4Gl9c Rocker Arm Rebuilding for the Triumph Spitfire : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7APJucC0RD0 I can't say enough good things about John and his work. Robert MacKenzie -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kurt Oblinger Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 12:18 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: [Fot] So Cal Machine Shop Recommendation Looking for recommendations for machine work for a GT6 engine. Just typical rebuild work; clean the block, check the crank bore and align bore if needed, turn the crank, balance, etc, etc. Prefer the So. Bay, Redondo, Torrance area or possibly Long Beach. TIA, Kurt Oblinger _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/list at mackenzie.aero From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Dec 29 14:40:15 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:40:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 to TR6 front suspension swap webpage Message-ID: I finally put together the web page outlining what's necessary to swap the TR-3/4 front suspension for the later TR-6 setup. The page is here: http://www.tonydrews.com/Front_Suspension/tr4_front_suspension_upgrade.htm Cheers, Tony Drews From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Dec 30 18:19:55 2012 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 17:19:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Fw: Indy driver passes away Message-ID: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I posted this the other day, but for some reason it didn't get posted to the list. Lets try again. -Ed- --- On Fri, 12/28/12, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: From: EDWARD BARNARD Subject: Indy driver passes away To: "FOT" Date: Friday, December 28, 2012, 11:26 PM For those who follow such happenings, Salt Walther passed away today. He is best known for the terrible crash he was involved in at the start of the '73 500. Kas remembers that very well having seen it from the pit wall while running for his life. Walther never made much of a name for himself beyond the crash, which was one of his three last place finishes out of six starts. -Ed- From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sun Dec 30 21:22:25 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 21:22:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs Message-ID: Does anyone happen to know where to get the aluminum plugs in the top of the head ? Thanks as always jim g From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Dec 30 12:06:45 2012 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:06:45 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR-4 to TR6 front suspension swap webpage In-Reply-To: <20121230134242.022C54040B@autox.team.net> References: <20121230134242.022C54040B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: By the way, if you find part of the narrative on the page confusing or have additional feedback, I'm certainly open to constructive criticism. I'd like the page to be a reference source for this swap, and any additional info / better descriptions of what I've done can only help. Cheers, Tony At 03:40 PM 12/29/2012, Tony Drews wrote: >I finally put together the web page outlining what's necessary to >swap the TR-3/4 front suspension for the later TR-6 setup. > >The page is here: >http://www.tonydrews.com/Front_Suspension/tr4_front_suspension_upgrade.htm > >Cheers, >Tony Drews >_______________________________________________ >fot at autox.team.net > >http://www.fot-racing.com > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com From kaskas at cox.net Mon Dec 31 08:58:53 2012 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:58:53 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Indy driver passes away In-Reply-To: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am in the scene of the Walther crash at Indy. I was right at the pit wall waiting for David Hobbs in our Gurney Eagle to come by. Later a photographer sent me five photos taken in about three seconds showing the full scene of this terrible event. Never be beaten by equipment > Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 17:19:55 -0800 > From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Fw: Indy driver passes away > > I posted this the other day, but for some reason it didn't get posted to the > list. Lets try again. > -Ed- > > --- On Fri, 12/28/12, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > > > From: EDWARD BARNARD > Subject: Indy driver passes away > To: "FOT" > Date: Friday, December 28, 2012, 11:26 PM > > > > > > > > For those who follow such happenings, Salt Walther passed away today. He is > best known for the terrible crash he was involved in at the start of the '73 > 500. Kas remembers that very well having seen it from the pit wall while > running for his life. Walther never made much of a name for himself beyond the > crash, which was one of his three last place finishes out of six starts. > -Ed- > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/kaskas at cox.net From william.tobin31 at verizon.net Mon Dec 31 09:16:54 2012 From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (Bill Tobin) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:16:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs References: <20121231043545.3E036425AE@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <3FDA0009EED94B51A4A5159C673F8A22@hpd530> Hi all, Happy New Year. I'm not sure about the TR4 head, but on my 6 where the heater hose pipe comes out the top of the head near the rear, I tapped it to 3/8 pipe and installed a reducer bushing and a petcock for bleeding out air from the system. If you just want a plug, various places sell Allen head pipe plugs in aluminum. Try Jegs or Pegasus. British pipe threads are vary close to NPT sizes and can be tapped to NPT sizes easily. I have a bunch of taps cluttering up my garage! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gray" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 11:22 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs > Does anyone happen to know where to get the aluminum plugs in the top of > the > head ? > > Thanks as always > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Dec 31 09:27:57 2012 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs In-Reply-To: <3FDA0009EED94B51A4A5159C673F8A22@hpd530> Message-ID: <548792232.1463252.1356971277373.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I think I'll go with the flow so to speak and do the pipe plugs. Thanks for all the input. jim g ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Tobin" To: "Jim Gray" , "FOT" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 9:16:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs Hi all, Happy New Year. I'm not sure about the TR4 head, but on my 6 where the heater hose pipe comes out the top of the head near the rear, I tapped it to 3/8 pipe and installed a reducer bushing and a petcock for bleeding out air from the system. If you just want a plug, various places sell Allen head pipe plugs in aluminum. Try Jegs or Pegasus. British pipe threads are vary close to NPT sizes and can be tapped to NPT sizes easily. I have a bunch of taps cluttering up my garage! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gray" To: "'FOT'" Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 11:22 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs > Does anyone happen to know where to get the aluminum plugs in the top of > the > head ? > > Thanks as always > > jim g > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Dec 31 09:34:49 2012 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 08:34:49 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs References: <548792232.1463252.1356971277373.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <7CF251AC506542B48E647422DBB2B5B5@Charly> It seems to me that the heater tapping at the back of the head should be used for added water circulation. At least that's what I do on my TR6 and I see most of the TR4's and TR3's also use it for that. Just saying! Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Bill Tobin" Cc: "FOT" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs >I think I'll go with the flow so to speak and do the pipe plugs. Thanks for >all the input. > > jim g > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bill Tobin" > To: "Jim Gray" , "FOT" > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 9:16:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs > > Hi all, Happy New Year. > I'm not sure about the TR4 head, but on my 6 where the heater hose pipe > comes out the top of the head near the rear, I tapped it to 3/8 pipe and > installed a reducer bushing and a petcock for bleeding out air from the > system. If you just want a plug, various places sell Allen head pipe plugs > in aluminum. Try Jegs or Pegasus. > British pipe threads are vary close to NPT sizes and can be tapped to NPT > sizes easily. I have a bunch of taps cluttering up my garage! > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Gray" > To: "'FOT'" > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 11:22 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs > > >> Does anyone happen to know where to get the aluminum plugs in the top of >> the >> head ? >> >> Thanks as always >> >> jim g >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/william.tobin31 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/charly at mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Dec 31 11:41:52 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:41:52 +0100 Subject: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! In-Reply-To: References: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01cde786$8b594610$a20bd230$@com> Seems I'm the first :-) From budscars at comcast.net Mon Dec 31 11:51:43 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:51:43 -0800 Subject: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! References: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001b01cde786$8b594610$a20bd230$@com> Message-ID: <7290E6ED9DDD4522B9E3B5B86144E4E1@Bud> Thanks Chris et al...HAPPY NEW YEAR!.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'fot'" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:41 AM Subject: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! > Seems I'm the first :-) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From jhhasty at gdhs.com Mon Dec 31 11:58:05 2012 From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 13:58:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! In-Reply-To: <001b01cde786$8b594610$a20bd230$@com> References: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001b01cde786$8b594610$a20bd230$@com> Message-ID: You only have about 4 hrs. Of 12 left. Here on the east coast of USA we've got 10 & the poor guys on the west got to wait 13 before they can pop the cork on a bottle of bubblely! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2012, at 1:41 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > Seems I'm the first :-) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com From budscars at comcast.net Mon Dec 31 12:09:47 2012 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:09:47 -0800 Subject: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! References: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><001b01cde786$8b594610$a20bd230$@com> Message-ID: The 2013 season is almost here,,,Sparks me up Wonderfuly! RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hasty" To: "MadMarx" Cc: "fot" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! > You only have about 4 hrs. Of 12 left. Here on the east coast of USA we've > got > 10 & the poor guys on the west got to wait 13 before they can pop the cork > on > a bottle of bubblely! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 31, 2012, at 1:41 PM, "MadMarx" wrote: > >> Seems I'm the first :-) >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/jhhasty at gdhs.com > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Mon Dec 31 13:53:36 2012 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 21:53:36 +0100 Subject: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! In-Reply-To: <7290E6ED9DDD4522B9E3B5B86144E4E1@Bud> References: <1356916795.70349.YahooMailClassic@web181402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <001b01cde786$8b594610$a20bd230$@com> <7290E6ED9DDD4522B9E3B5B86144E4E1@Bud> Message-ID: <002201cde798$e823fbd0$b86bf370$@com> I've made a noisy song to welcome 2013....have fun with it....6H of work. https://soundcloud.com/darkstar679/first-01-mp3 Cheers Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: RACER BUD [mailto:budscars at comcast.net] Gesendet: Montag, 31. Dezember 2012 19:52 An: MadMarx; 'fot' Betreff: Re: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! Thanks Chris et al...HAPPY NEW YEAR!.. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "'fot'" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 10:41 AM Subject: [Fot] All the best for the new Year! > Seems I'm the first :-) > _______________________________________________ > fot at autox.team.net > > http://www.fot-racing.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/budscars at comcast.net From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Dec 31 13:59:32 2012 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:59:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Best wishes Message-ID: <9e5c.30bf6d74.3e1356b4@aol.com> Amigos, I wish all my friends the best for the new year. We've been fragmented and blown about lately but I still think of you all and hope for the best! Let's Go 2013!!!! Steve and Pat From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Dec 30 21:41:33 2012 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 20:41:33 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 upper head plugs In-Reply-To: <20121231043533.5FB4540EBE@autox.team.net> Message-ID: > Does anyone happen to know where to get the aluminum plugs in > the top of the head ? TRF seems to have them listed (PS1603/1); but I think most people just tap the hole for a common pipe plug instead. -- Randall