From igofaster at att.net  Sun Apr  1 17:32:46 2012
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:32:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spit engine progress
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After the weekend at TWS and nothing blowing up, I came home and wrestled the 
oil leak on the front of the car. Machine shop had stripped out one of the 
mounting bolts of my alloy plate. I had another ARE engine plate which I 
installed. The front seal mount was also a bit out of being flush with the bare 
engine front so I tapped it back into position and mounted the timing cover and 
front ancillaries back into position. Still a small leak from the timing cover 
but after pulling all that stuff off and on twice, I can live with a small drip 
for now. 

I also found some more jets for the Mikuni's (sp) and I've taken the GT6 back up 
to Pinnacle Motorsports at ECR for a few more dyno runs and fine tuning. Gregg 
Rodgers wanted to add about 4" to the steering column to bring the steering 
wheel closer to me. The Kirkey seat sets real high in my arm pits and I'm 
bruising after a weekend in that area. My belts are up this year and Gregg 
recommended a nice set of the Schroth 5 point harness set up... can't wait.... I 
want to bring up my Miata for track day at Cresson MSR on the 14th... ready , 
set , GO!
    Bobby Whitehead
#39 DP Triumph GT-6+




________________________________
From: William Collins <bkolnz at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Spit engine progress

 
Hey Gang,
 
Looks like I'm on track for the 14th track day  at MSR,,, and then the 
Mitty.       Hovman and I  have been spending a few hours during the week 
bringing along the build in a  concise and accurate pace.   I'm thinking a start 
up next  week-end,  and if good,   odds and ends for until the  14th.    

 
Any news from U's guys?
 
Bill

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Sun Apr  1 20:49:27 2012
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 21:49:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Cracked Head, can it be repaired?
Message-ID: <000001cd107b$38d41f60$aa7c5e20$@com>

I forgot to hit "Reply All".  I was curious on comments from the list
regarding the power loss due to not porting the inlet and exhausts versus
doing the work on the combustion chambers after having the head milled.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Murphy [mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:24 PM
To: 'Tony Drews'
Subject: RE: [Fot] Cracked Head, can it be repaired?

Is there a water passage right above that part of the head and if so about
how thick is the material in that area to be welded?  If it's pretty thin in
that area due to milling the head I'd think it'd be a pretty tough job
welding it up.  Sort of like trying to weld or braze sheet metal when it's
partially rusted and not much metal left I'd think.

Tim

P.S. I've been looking at our spare heads and the intake ports all look
pretty smooth.  The exhaust ports are rougher on the surface but no big
protrusions of "slag" from casting in them. Just milling a head, and
grinding the valves, if the seats are good, and I'd think you could get by
for the Mitty.  I don't know how much power it would cost you by not doing
the full porting job but at least you could do the Mitty.  It would seem
that the work in the combustion chamber per Kas's books would be more
important than the porting, but that's just a really uninformed guess on my
part!  I'm sure there are others on the list that can better comment on
that.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 5:17 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Cracked Head, can it be repaired?

I found the source of my "head gasket" leaks - a cracked head.  It's 
cracked around the inner circumference of where it meets the liner in 
#4 cylinder.

Picture is here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/2012_0331Head_Crack0007.JPG

Is this something that can be fixed, or should I start brushing up on 
my head porting techniques and build another head?

Thanks, Tony Drews
Hoping to make the Mitty still...
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Apr  2 01:14:55 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 09:14:55 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Cracked Head, can it be repaired?
In-Reply-To: <20120331223505.0477F2D08D0@autox.team.net>
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I would say this spot is a dangerous area.
If any welding is done it might not help and the whole deck could collapse
and would ruin your whole engine.
If it were me I would move on to a new head.

Cheers
Chris

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Auftrag von Tony Drews
Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. April 2012 00:17
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Cracked Head, can it be repaired?

I found the source of my "head gasket" leaks - a cracked head.  It's
cracked around the inner circumference of where it meets the liner in
#4 cylinder.

Picture is here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/2012_0331Head_Crack0007.JPG

Is this something that can be fixed, or should I start brushing up on
my head porting techniques and build another head?

Thanks, Tony Drews
Hoping to make the Mitty still...
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From craigl at leinickegroup.com  Mon Apr  2 13:01:59 2012
From: craigl at leinickegroup.com (Craig Leinicke)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:01:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dyno Results
Message-ID: <CB9F61D7.C279%craigl@leinickegroup.com>

I finally came up with 4 pistons and eight valves that were happy together
and put my TR7 Land Speed Car on the chassis dyno at Carma Performance in
Nashville, TN. The car made 103 rear wheel HP on the first pull.
After re-jetting the webers and adjusting the timing the car made 108.2 HP
at the rear wheels and 120ft. lbs of torque between 3750 and 4250 rpm.

I hope to post video and print outs of the test soon.
My question is... With these numbers in hand... What would the engine be
making at the flywheel?

Thanks in Advance
Craig Leinicke
Flashback Racing

From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Mon Apr  2 13:26:41 2012
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:26:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dyno Results
Message-ID: <380-22012412192641448@M2W119.mail2web.com>

Hi Craig,

I have always heard 12-15% loss from flywheel to rear tires for manuals and
17-20% loss for automatics is generally the rule of thumb. But there are
much more educated folks out there who will hopefully give you some more
specific info!

Congrats on the completion and the output! Sounds great!   :D

Keep Triumphing,
Susan     :)



Original Message:
-----------------
From: Craig Leinicke craigl at leinickegroup.com
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:01:59 -0500
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dyno Results


I finally came up with 4 pistons and eight valves that were happy together
and put my TR7 Land Speed Car on the chassis dyno at Carma Performance in
Nashville, TN. The car made 103 rear wheel HP on the first pull.
After re-jetting the webers and adjusting the timing the car made 108.2 HP
at the rear wheels and 120ft. lbs of torque between 3750 and 4250 rpm.

I hope to post video and print outs of the test soon.
My question is... With these numbers in hand... What would the engine be
making at the flywheel?

Thanks in Advance
Craig Leinicke
Flashback Racing
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From harmug at us.ibm.com  Mon Apr  2 14:30:41 2012
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 16:30:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Camber
Message-ID: <OFD60E0588.AD3743F7-ON852579D4.00703B87-852579D4.0070ADFF@us.ibm.com>

I was sent a few links today, one that ties in nicely with the rear
suspension thread from the weekend.

I signed up for a free series of video lectures, Safe is Fast, from Bobby
Rahal. They just came out with some new ones, the first is basic chassis
setup and a second one on cockpit design and layout. They're by race
engineers and drivers, interesting insights and solid information.

 One side fact I found interesting in the cockpit vid. For years at the
Rolex, I always saw a blue light from the cockpits of the Prototype cars. I
thought it was some kind pilot light, maybe fire system is armed, on the
rear firewall. It turns out it's a blacklight that's used to illuminate the
fluorescent tape switch labels on the dash at night and not ruin the
drivers night vision.

http://safeisfast.com/sections/8-race-car-systems-and-dynamics/videos/30-basic-chassis-set-up-1

http://safeisfast.com/sections/8-race-car-systems-and-dynamics/videos/28-cockpit-management

mike h

63 spit, almost ready for the mitty

From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Apr  2 15:28:32 2012
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:28:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dyno Results
In-Reply-To: <CB9F61D7.C279%craigl@leinickegroup.com>
References: <CB9F61D7.C279%craigl@leinickegroup.com>
Message-ID: <BAY164-ds1421AEE6515AD92BE64D6EC34C0@phx.gbl>

Add roughly 15%

Terry Stetler
  ----- Original Message -----
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  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 3:01 PM
  Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dyno Results


  I finally came up with 4 pistons and eight valves that were happy together
  and put my TR7 Land Speed Car on the chassis dyno at Carma Performance in
  Nashville, TN. The car made 103 rear wheel HP on the first pull.
  After re-jetting the webers and adjusting the timing the car made 108.2 HP
  at the rear wheels and 120ft. lbs of torque between 3750 and 4250 rpm.

  I hope to post video and print outs of the test soon.
  My question is... With these numbers in hand... What would the engine be
  making at the flywheel?

  Thanks in Advance
  Craig Leinicke
  Flashback Racing
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Apr  2 15:59:21 2012
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 16:59:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance
Message-ID: <000501cd111b$dca19aa0$95e4cfe0$@com>

I took our head up to a machine shop in Appleton, WI to have it checked for
cracks and primarily to get the valves ground.  Here is what the machinist
has reported to me:

 

Intake valve guides a little loose                Intake valve stems okay

 

Exhaust valve guides okay                           Exhaust valves about
0.001 wear on the stem

 

The intake valves are a nice fit into the exhaust guides.  This is not the
usual type of wear he sees on the more common (Chevy and Ford V-8's) that he
works on.

 

Question:  What is the "normal" clearance valve stem to valve guide for the
TR4 engine when used for racing?  To put it another way, can we run the
engine with the intake guides loose and the 0.001 wear on the exhaust valve
stems?  And, is this the usual wear pattern on the TR4 engine?

 

 We are running a stock crank with stock rods, all balanced, and forged
WISECO pistons with 87 mm liners from Ken Gilanders.  We try to keep to a
5500 RPM redline with occasional use of 6000 for overtaking.  For what it's
worth we have a 4.3 rear end and overdrive.

 

I recall a discussion on the list some time ago regarding different
materials being used for guides and a problem with getting the proper
clearance.  As I recall, a number of folks were using these guides and
unfortunately had valves get stuck with somewhat disastrous results.  I
think the guides were bronze or some alloy with bronze in it.  I don't
recall any discussion on clearance for stock valves and stock guides.  My
gut feel is that I'd rather have the guides/valves a little loose than have
a valve stick and destroy the head and maybe the rest of the engine.

 

Thanks for your help,

 

Tim & Ryan Murphy

1961 TR4  #317

From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Apr  2 16:47:07 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 16:47:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dyno Results
In-Reply-To: <BAY164-ds1421AEE6515AD92BE64D6EC34C0@phx.gbl>
References: <CB9F61D7.C279%craigl@leinickegroup.com>
	<BAY164-ds1421AEE6515AD92BE64D6EC34C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F7A2C6B.9090402@bradakis.com>

 > I finally came up with 4 pistons and eight valves that were happy 
together
 > and put my TR7 Land Speed Car on the chassis dyno

Are you aware of land-speed at autox.team.net ?

mjb.

From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Mon Apr  2 19:10:50 2012
From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:10:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance
References: <000501cd111b$dca19aa0$95e4cfe0$@com>
Message-ID: <72AA3E0F4364462788E8C6A6FACEE4E8@TER2>

For stock cast iron guides the clearances listed in the shop manual are 
fine. .0015 to .002" inlet and ..002 to .0025" on the exhaust. The engine 
should run ok sith up to .0015" additional clearance on each valve.  The 
problem that we have found with the iron guides is when using a high lift, 
fast acting racing cam, with additional spring pressure, The guides tend to 
wear very fast. We found up to .004" wear in 4 or 5 race weekends. Then the 
valves stop sealing as well and the engine looses power.
    It does not sound like you have a setup that required a better quality 
guide. Don't use valve stem seals and keep an eye on the wear as time 
passes.
                                                                             
                                        Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <rpm724 at att.net>; <ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 2:59 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance


>I took our head up to a machine shop in Appleton, WI to have it checked for
> cracks and primarily to get the valves ground.  Here is what the machinist
> has reported to me:
>
>
>
> Intake valve guides a little loose                Intake valve stems okay
>
>
>
> Exhaust valve guides okay                           Exhaust valves about
> 0.001 wear on the stem
>
>
>
> The intake valves are a nice fit into the exhaust guides.  This is not the
> usual type of wear he sees on the more common (Chevy and Ford V-8's) that 
> he
> works on.
>
>
>
> Question:  What is the "normal" clearance valve stem to valve guide for 
> the
> TR4 engine when used for racing?  To put it another way, can we run the
> engine with the intake guides loose and the 0.001 wear on the exhaust 
> valve
> stems?  And, is this the usual wear pattern on the TR4 engine?
>
>
>
> We are running a stock crank with stock rods, all balanced, and forged
> WISECO pistons with 87 mm liners from Ken Gilanders.  We try to keep to a
> 5500 RPM redline with occasional use of 6000 for overtaking.  For what 
> it's
> worth we have a 4.3 rear end and overdrive.
>
>
>
> I recall a discussion on the list some time ago regarding different
> materials being used for guides and a problem with getting the proper
> clearance.  As I recall, a number of folks were using these guides and
> unfortunately had valves get stuck with somewhat disastrous results.  I
> think the guides were bronze or some alloy with bronze in it.  I don't
> recall any discussion on clearance for stock valves and stock guides.  My
> gut feel is that I'd rather have the guides/valves a little loose than 
> have
> a valve stick and destroy the head and maybe the rest of the engine.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
>
>
> Tim & Ryan Murphy
>
> 1961 TR4  #317
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From Jfrymark at aol.com  Tue Apr  3 12:05:06 2012
From: Jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:05:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VARA High Desert Challenge races
Message-ID: <4C206392-9379-41BC-A487-18E2B10EAEA4@aol.com>

The lower West Coast FoT racers had a good turnout for the VARA race  
last weekend at Willow Springs International Raceway. Thanks to  
sponsorship by Joe Siam of Chequered Flag  Racing, and John Wilkins,  
an All-Triumph race was held on Saturday marking the 60th Anniversary  
of TR and the 50th of the Spitfire. We had 13 entries (6 Spits mostly/ 
all? from Joe's stable) with Gary Shuman taking top honors. Kas  
Kastner and Peggy were there to congratulate the drivers.

Sunday started windy, but nice, and I took my new GoPro out and played  
camera car during our untimed morning practice session getting good  
clips of Steve Belfer, Mordy Dunst, and Paul Smock at speed. I posted  
video at:

http://youtu.be/OZw_RJA4Hsc

Sunday's Group 1 flag race was crazy with spinning cars and an  
unfortunate early ending due to an accident that involved TR driver  
Frank Daley. Frank was following me when the Morgan that spun on lap 4  
cut back across track narrowly missing me but Frank "T-boned" it.  
Thankfully nobody was hurt, but Frank's TR4 and the Morgan were  
heavily damaged. I posted video at:

http://youtu.be/EeY7ejloymk

John Frymark
VARA DP #67 TR4A

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Apr  3 20:20:48 2012
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 21:20:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Valve guides
Message-ID: <000001cd1209$8ed87b10$ac897130$@com>

Thanks to all who responded to my questions regarding valve guides and
clearances.  I just realized that we had 17 race weekends on that cylinder
head!  I'm just learning at what point various things like valve grinds and
guide replacement should be done.  Based on what we're seeing so far, doing
the valves every 8 or 9 races should work for us.  We also had a hole burned
in the head gasket where the shroud was cut away around the inlet valve on
#2 cylinder.  So a new head gasket every 8 or 9 races should hopefully solve
that problem also.  The head gasket had 11 race weekends on it.

      The machinist has checked the ID of the guides and from what he has
told me so far we will replace all of the guides.  I'm going up to meet with
him later this week and we'll determine what else has to be done, such as
replace some of the valves that have worn stems.  We do have a spare stock
head with the stock valves and I'm thinking of maybe using some of those if
need be and they clean up okay.  Is there any benefit to using currently
available valves over the original Triumph valves?

      Now that I've got a machinist and shop who I trust and can work with,
doing the periodic renewing shouldn't be a problem.

 

Thanks again, the FOT is great!!

 

Tim Murphy

1961 TR4 #317

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Greg Solow [mailto:Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com]

Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:11 PM

To: Tim Murphy; fot at autox.team.net

Cc: rpm724 at att.net; ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov

Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance

 

For stock cast iron guides the clearances listed in the shop manual are
fine. .0015 to .002" inlet and ..002 to .0025" on the exhaust. The engine
should run ok with up to .0015" additional clearance on each valve.  The
problem that we have found with the iron guides is when using a high lift,
fast acting racing cam, with additional spring pressure, The guides tend to
wear very fast. We found up to .004" wear in 4 or 5 race weekends. Then the
valves stop sealing as well and the engine looses power.

    It does not sound like you have a setup that required a better quality
guide. Don't use valve stem seals and keep an eye on the wear as time
passes.

 


                                        Greg Solow

From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Apr  3 20:41:30 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 21:41:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Cracked Head, can it be repaired?
In-Reply-To: <20120331223447.D11E02D08FC@autox.team.net>
References: <20120331223447.D11E02D08FC@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.30.1333507282.3014.fot@autox.team.net>

Just a quick update on this.  The machine shop says they can get one 
of my stock spares prepared in time for the Mitty.  It won't have the 
demon uncle jack porting, we'll see how much difference that 
makes.  It's also not going to be milled quite as far, that should 
help its longevity.

Looks like the Mitty is still in sight!

Thanks to everyone for the generous advice and other offers, you guys 
are the best!

Cheers, Tony Drews

At 05:16 PM 3/31/2012, Tony Drews wrote:
>I found the source of my "head gasket" leaks - a cracked head.  It's 
>cracked around the inner circumference of where it meets the liner 
>in #4 cylinder.
>
>Picture is here:
>http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/2012_0331Head_Crack0007.JPG
>
>Is this something that can be fixed, or should I start brushing up 
>on my head porting techniques and build another head?
>
>Thanks, Tony Drews
>Hoping to make the Mitty still...

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Apr  4 08:11:09 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 10:11:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] ATTN:  SPITFIRES AND GT6s at THE MITTY
Message-ID: <8CEE083EB4B13A5-1C0C-75DD@webmail-d034.sysops.aol.com>

 FOT:

I have been in contact with the editor and publisher of the lively little
magazine  "SPITFIRES AND GT6s".

The publisher and photographers are planning to come to THE MITTY with an eye
toward a major article. I presume that there will be a special focus on our
Spitfire and GT6 entries.

Forthcoming, in the magazine, is an article on the ANNIVERSARY of the
Spitfire.

Additionally, there will be coverage on Kas Kastner's TRIUMPHS.

Then, in a future issue will be coverage on THE MITTY.

Here is your chance for 15 minutes of fame.....we have some interesting
Spitfire and GT6 characters. This could be fun.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Apr  4 12:42:12 2012
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 18:42:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 wrist pins needed
Message-ID: <472387040.455357.1333564932238.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hello FoT, 
I'm in need of a set of wrist pins for my TR3/4 motor build. The pistons are AE cast 87mm and actually there is only one pin that is not usable, but I'd be interested in an unused set if anyone happened to have them sitting around that they don't need. As new and unused is important. 
I'll be at The Mitty for the fun of it and as support where needed. See y'all there. 
Dave H. 
831-234-4928 

From igofaster at att.net  Wed Apr  4 18:13:07 2012
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:13:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Velocity channel Wheeler Dealer
Message-ID: <1333584787.94605.YahooMailRC@web180810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The Triumph Spitfire is featured tonight on Wheeler Dealer on the Velocity 
Channel tonight. Two episodes. Apologies if this is redundant.   


Bobby Whitehead

From gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com  Thu Apr  5 13:36:37 2012
From: gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com (Gary Hunter)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:36:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Need photo Jerry Barker 1500 Spitfire
Message-ID: <DE45246F-CBAB-449D-84F3-95C951C74388@grassrootsmotorsports.com>

We need a High Resolution photo of Jerry Barker's 1500 Spitfire that  
is coming to the Mitty.   We are trying to make the Mitty program as  
TR awesome as it can be .  Thanks for any help in making this  
happen .  TRs - DRIVE 'EM  -  DON'T  HIDE 'EM   Cheers gary
Gary Hunter
Reader Services
Grassroots Motorsports / Classic Motorsports
gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com
386-239-0523

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Apr  6 00:14:07 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 02:14:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY     TRIUMPH PARTS EXCHANGE     MARV GRUBER COMING
Message-ID: <8CEE1D39BD49047-A84-1211F@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com>

 Marv Gruber was invited to come to the MITTY.

He has been supplying the FOT with Triumph parts for a number of years and is
only a couple of hours away from ROAD ATLANTA. He will be coming in on Friday
and leaving on Sunday.

He has a huge stash of British components on his parents farm. If any one
needs some big stuff, like engine blocks and axles he will drive his truck
in.

MGruber921 at aol.com



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Fri Apr  6 05:24:44 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 07:24:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] In the Mitty Paddock
Message-ID: <688FCD703218408BB06B52F3BF463EEC@TRIUMPH.local>

For those of us Vintage Racers that typically run club events, I want to 
remind everybody that the Mitty is a Festival style event, and all parties 
involved have been doing everything in their power to get the public to come 
to see the show. The public is encouraged to walk around the paddocks, and 
Classic Motorsports will be doing organized paddock tours to educate folks 
on what they are looking at.

We have been asked to make up and display a posterboard telling the world 
all the special things they need to know about your race car. While 
certainly not manditory, it would be a nice way to give a little back to our 
friends at Classic Motorsports for all the effort they are going through.

Thanks gang!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 

From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri Apr  6 09:43:59 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 11:43:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] In the Mitty Paddock
Message-ID: <2d80c.2f980b11.3cb0693f@aol.com>

In a message dated 04/06/2012 7:20:13 AM Central Daylight Time, 
yellow04 at tr4racer.com writes:


> We have been asked to make up and display a posterboard telling the world 
> 
> all the special things they need to know about your race car. While 
> certainly not manditory, it would be a nice way to give a little back to 
> our 
> friends at Classic Motorsports for all the effort they are going through.
> 

Henry...

And am I correct that in keeping with past practice, it is OK to lie.

Bill (Damdinger)

From tedtsimx at bright.net  Fri Apr  6 10:03:10 2012
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 12:03:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Parts, etc.  at Mitty Vintage Race
Message-ID: <4F7F13BE.6070008@bright.net>

Good morning List. Some items of interest. Mike Cook, author of several 
TR books, longtime Triumph, British Leyland and Jaguar PR person and all 
around very knowledgeable good guy will be joining us. Mike will be 
wandering around shooting pictures, renewing old acquaintances and 
meeting new friends.  Mike is a very valuable resource to the Triumph 
community.  He was there when it started, including the US Competition 
Department.  Mike will be available at our booth several times during 
the week-end. Stop by and see Mike. Find out what it was really like "in 
the day" from one who was there from the start.  Bring your questions.

Also joining us, all the way from the UK, are John & Susanne Clancy.  
John is a videographer who has produced several Triumph DVD's. These 
will be available at our booth. The series of Triumph DVDs came about as 
a result of John Clancy's long term project to make a documentary of the 
history of the TR7 and TR8 series of cars.  When initially released in 
2007 it proved to be so popular the initial batch of pressed discs sold 
out within six months.  As a result further Triumph productions were 
undertaken -- first of all the Triumph Stag, then the Spitfire and GT6, 
the traditional TRs, the pre-war cars and others.  Currently a complete 
Triumph history is being compiled focusing on the saloon (sedan) models 
issued by the company plus 'California Air' featuring Kas Kastner and 
the US competitions department - this release is why John and his wife 
Susanne will be attending the Mitty at the end of the month to film some 
of the cars to help illustrate the story of why Triumph was so 
successful in America.
John has interviewed many former Standard-Triumph engineering and 
styling personnel and you will find many of these appear within each of 
the DVDs.  No one else currently making classic car documentaries goes 
into so much detail which makes these Triumph collectibles fairly unique 
and as time goes on we expect them to become quite historic in their own 
right.
Further details and previews of each title can be seen at 
www.triumphdvd.co.uk

We will be at the Mitty with our vendor trailer with both parts and 
regalia. We will have our gear reductions starters, steel braid brake 
hoses, suspension parts, rebuilt calipers,  etc.  If anyone needs "heavy 
items" - heads, gearboxes, engines, etc, we can bring these along - free 
freight is good!  Please let me know any requests as soon as possible so 
we can be sure to get it loaded. Our vendor trailer - white, flip open 
sides, along with an EZ-Up tent will be up on the hill in vendor area.

FOT and Kastner Cup shirts can be picked up at the trailer. Please try 
and pick up your shirts by Saturday afternoon.  Not sure what time we 
will be packing on Sunday to leave.  At the event you can reach me on my 
mobile - 419/230-9008. Mobile does not work in our building so please 
use any of the numbers listed on the signature line of this email for 
orders.

Thanks for your time and support. Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US&  Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022

From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Fri Apr  6 11:02:28 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 13:02:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] In the Mitty Paddock
References: <2d80c.2f980b11.3cb0693f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F6BA574EA2544BA4B84951E93AAB0685@TRIUMPH.local>

Last time I checked, lying is encouraged!

;-)

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: BillDentin at aol.com
  To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 11:43 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] In the Mitty Paddock


  In a message dated 04/06/2012 7:20:13 AM Central Daylight Time,
yellow04 at tr4racer.com writes:



    We have been asked to make up and display a posterboard telling the world
    all the special things they need to know about your race car. While
    certainly not manditory, it would be a nice way to give a little back to
our
    friends at Classic Motorsports for all the effort they are going through.



  Henry...

  And am I correct that in keeping with past practice, it is OK to lie.

  Bill (Damdinger)

From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Apr  6 17:00:24 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 17:00:24 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Golly Gosh Darn
Message-ID: <4F7F7588.6070101@bradakis.com>

Due to some changing circumstances in my life, it looks like
there is a very good chance I will *not* be at the Mitty.

Drat.

mjb.

From cwnfot at gmail.com  Fri Apr  6 17:50:52 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 19:50:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Golly Gosh Darn
In-Reply-To: <4F7F7588.6070101@bradakis.com>
References: <4F7F7588.6070101@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <00be01cd1450$1a479350$4ed6b9f0$@com>

Hi Mark,

I disagree with the "very good" part of that message!
I hope you are pleasantly surprised and we'll see you at the Mitty!

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
"Reality, it's not what you think."

From rjl at gt-classics.com  Fri Apr  6 20:59:16 2012
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 22:59:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Parts, etc.  at Mitty Vintage Race
In-Reply-To: <4F7F13BE.6070008@bright.net>
References: <4F7F13BE.6070008@bright.net>
Message-ID: <4F7FAD84.5020407@gt-classics.com>

FWIW, I looked at the website, and it would appear that he only sells
DVDs in PAL format, so those of us in North America won't be able
to view them (unless you have a DVD player that will play PAL discs,
of course).  Some of them look interesting, though, so that's a shame.

John

On 4/6/2012 12:03 PM, Ted Schumacher wrote:
> Good morning List. Some items of interest. Mike Cook, author of several
> TR books, longtime Triumph, British Leyland and Jaguar PR person and all
> around very knowledgeable good guy will be joining us. Mike will be
> wandering around shooting pictures, renewing old acquaintances and
> meeting new friends.  Mike is a very valuable resource to the Triumph
> community.  He was there when it started, including the US Competition
> Department.  Mike will be available at our booth several times during
> the week-end. Stop by and see Mike. Find out what it was really like "in
> the day" from one who was there from the start.  Bring your questions.
>
> Also joining us, all the way from the UK, are John&  Susanne Clancy.
> John is a videographer who has produced several Triumph DVD's. These
> will be available at our booth. The series of Triumph DVDs came about as
> a result of John Clancy's long term project to make a documentary of the
> history of the TR7 and TR8 series of cars.  When initially released in
> 2007 it proved to be so popular the initial batch of pressed discs sold
> out within six months.  As a result further Triumph productions were
> undertaken -- first of all the Triumph Stag, then the Spitfire and GT6,
> the traditional TRs, the pre-war cars and others.  Currently a complete
> Triumph history is being compiled focusing on the saloon (sedan) models
> issued by the company plus 'California Air' featuring Kas Kastner and
> the US competitions department - this release is why John and his wife
> Susanne will be attending the Mitty at the end of the month to film some
> of the cars to help illustrate the story of why Triumph was so
> successful in America.
> John has interviewed many former Standard-Triumph engineering and
> styling personnel and you will find many of these appear within each of
> the DVDs.  No one else currently making classic car documentaries goes
> into so much detail which makes these Triumph collectibles fairly unique
> and as time goes on we expect them to become quite historic in their own
> right.
> Further details and previews of each title can be seen at
> www.triumphdvd.co.uk
>
> We will be at the Mitty with our vendor trailer with both parts and
> regalia. We will have our gear reductions starters, steel braid brake
> hoses, suspension parts, rebuilt calipers,  etc.  If anyone needs "heavy
> items" - heads, gearboxes, engines, etc, we can bring these along - free
> freight is good!  Please let me know any requests as soon as possible so
> we can be sure to get it loaded. Our vendor trailer - white, flip open
> sides, along with an EZ-Up tent will be up on the hill in vendor area.
>
> FOT and Kastner Cup shirts can be picked up at the trailer. Please try
> and pick up your shirts by Saturday afternoon.  Not sure what time we
> will be packing on Sunday to leave.  At the event you can reach me on my
> mobile - 419/230-9008. Mobile does not work in our building so please
> use any of the numbers listed on the signature line of this email for
> orders.
>
> Thanks for your time and support. Ted
>
>    

-- 
Thanks,
R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net

From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Sat Apr  7 04:08:16 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 06:08:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mitty entry list posted
Message-ID: <32AC971BC8224376A7D31B245966743B@TRIUMPH.local>

HSR has finally put up the Mitty entry list, that is one strong field!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 

From cwnfot at gmail.com  Sat Apr  7 07:25:36 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 09:25:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mitty entry list posted
In-Reply-To: <32AC971BC8224376A7D31B245966743B@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <32AC971BC8224376A7D31B245966743B@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <001201cd14c1$eb8d6bd0$c2a84370$@com>

http://hsrrace.com/2012_Events/3_Mitty_Apr_26_29/Event_Info/Entry_List.pdf 


Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
"Reality, it's not what you think."

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sat Apr  7 18:38:01 2012
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 17:38:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 for sale (not mine)
In-Reply-To: <C5CB5B3A-78CC-450E-A4CB-FCDAC8AD83D1@sonic.net>
References: <C5CB5B3A-78CC-450E-A4CB-FCDAC8AD83D1@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <4F80DDE9.2010408@gmail.com>

I just received this email about a TR3 that has come up for sale.

If you are interested contact Frans directly at Frans Smith 
<frans1 at sonic.net>

Teriann

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Triumph
Date: 	Sat, 7 Apr 2012 17:09:48 -0700
From: 	Frans Smith <frans1 at sonic.net>
To: 	TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman at razzolink.com>, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" 
<tjwakeman at gmail.com>



Dear TeriAnn,
I have communicated off and on with you regarding my series 2 land
rover 109. I also am on the mendo list. Anyhow, I have a customer/
friend who liked to mess around with old british cars. He just had a
fairly major heart attack. In his garage is a nearly complete 1957 TR3
'small mouth'. He has a garage full of spare parts (literally) for it.
The entire drivetrain/brakes etc.  has been re-built. He has one extra
engine plus a still-in-the-box overdrive. The car is just about done
but he lost both feet and really cannot deal with it anymore so is
looking to offload it on someone.
Know anyone who may be interested? He won't let it go for free but I
think whoever gets it is going to get one hell of a deal.
He lives in the same town as me, Healdsburg CA about an hour north of
S.F. CA.
If you know anyone please let me know. He is not in any particular
hurry to sell but it does need to go.
thank you
frans

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Mon Apr  9 13:38:05 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:38:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] HS4's
Message-ID: <BLU168-W1B8BD97E59A87BE92674DBA370@phx.gbl>

Removed the HS2's from the Spitfire and replacing them with HS4's for the
Mitty so I will have the opportunity to try and dial in something else that
weekend.  Fired the engine up for the first time saturday so I am getting
closer. Anyhow, on the HS4's, the rear car has a 1/4 o.d. stub of a hard line
coming out for the vent/overflow of the bowl. The front carb just has a hole
for the vent/overflow. The hole does not appear to match any line I have
laying around. Smaller than 1/4, larger than the next size down copper line
and hard brake lines I have. I though about opening it up to 1/4 but then
there would not be enough room to slip on a piece of rubber fuel line.  I am
trying to run these overflows away from the header.  What have you folks done
here on the front carb?

Thanks,
Marty

PS: Hope everybody has paid Ted for the shirts by now.

From markvaden at gmail.com  Mon Apr  9 19:29:11 2012
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 18:29:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car
Message-ID: <CAExoegngUhZ3=pq6YZMttrpSNc3_OR4H=-2fv4gRjAaVs3s6Aw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

I was going through the photos of the race car I aquired and have been
building for a couple of years, and I noticed a photo with a different
paint job. It says Hawaii SCCA, and I was wondering if anyone on the list
recognized this car. The photo can be seen at
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13552281/Photos/photo.JPG . I would love to know
more history about the car.

TIA,
Mark

From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Tue Apr 10 17:16:48 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:16:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance
In-Reply-To: <000501cd111b$dca19aa0$95e4cfe0$@com>
References: <000501cd111b$dca19aa0$95e4cfe0$@com>
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADB@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

Valve guide clearance...



At the VARA Willow Springs race recently, my GT6 crapped out. (again...)
Pulled the rocker cover, and discovered a broken rocker and a stuck valve.
Once at home, I pulled the head. Piston, etc look ok.  Head is now at machine
shop undergoing restorative surgery.  Initial look by machinist indicates
seized valve due to tight valve guide clearance.  This is a freshly rebuilt
motor.  Engine builder says he honed guides to 0.0025" tolerance.  Machinist
is pulling all valves to check...  Shall he go .004" clearance?



Ed











-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Tim Murphy
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 2:59 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: rpm724 at att.net; ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance



I took our head up to a machine shop in Appleton, WI to have it checked for

cracks and primarily to get the valves ground.  Here is what the machinist

has reported to me:







Intake valve guides a little loose                Intake valve stems okay







Exhaust valve guides okay                           Exhaust valves about

0.001 wear on the stem







The intake valves are a nice fit into the exhaust guides.  This is not the

usual type of wear he sees on the more common (Chevy and Ford V-8's) that he

works on.







Question:  What is the "normal" clearance valve stem to valve guide for the

TR4 engine when used for racing?  To put it another way, can we run the

engine with the intake guides loose and the 0.001 wear on the exhaust valve

stems?  And, is this the usual wear pattern on the TR4 engine?







We are running a stock crank with stock rods, all balanced, and forged

WISECO pistons with 87 mm liners from Ken Gilanders.  We try to keep to a

5500 RPM redline with occasional use of 6000 for overtaking.  For what it's

worth we have a 4.3 rear end and overdrive.







I recall a discussion on the list some time ago regarding different

materials being used for guides and a problem with getting the proper

clearance.  As I recall, a number of folks were using these guides and

unfortunately had valves get stuck with somewhat disastrous results.  I

think the guides were bronze or some alloy with bronze in it.  I don't

recall any discussion on clearance for stock valves and stock guides.  My

gut feel is that I'd rather have the guides/valves a little loose than have

a valve stick and destroy the head and maybe the rest of the engine.







Thanks for your help,







Tim & Ryan Murphy



1961 TR4  #317

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From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Tue Apr 10 17:41:47 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:41:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] another race car
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized me
to buy another race car.  (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as well)
Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, I'm
looking for opinions of what to look for.

As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races an
FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her.  I want to initially
spend well under $30k.  Of course, a lot of the price is factored into just
how race ready a particular car is.  I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc.  Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going there
for several reasons...)

I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective folks
here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions.  I really
need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
competitive side.  I want a car that can finish races consistently.

Thoughts?

Ed Dunn

From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Apr 10 18:43:34 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:43:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VIR Track Talk or Video?
Message-ID: <C23E9202-8FAA-4A81-8FD9-A5CD9EE6F51C@me.com>

I'll be at VIR this weekend for the first time in eight years, and the last time only lasted one day until a rocker arm broke, with valve/piston damage.
Anyone have a good description of how to drive the track, map showing best lines, or video they care to share?  I found last year at Watkins Glen that advance reading of a great description of driving the track, turn by turn, and studying a map and photos was really helpful.

From jason at multivintage.com  Tue Apr 10 18:56:33 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:56:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] another race car
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <CALCydYpw3Ra2EnQcYhcu+QBbnEE5TAF6xe=BNQrSbN2TbruZwA@mail.gmail.com>

Edward,
Speaking of Philosophical...
That is exactly why a GT6 can be so rewarding.
Its NOT easy but these cars can also be reliable.
It is more an issue of constant maintenance... And I understand that takes
time.
Don't give up on the GT6.
Keep that as your Vintage Racer just develop it with reliability in mind...
Unfortunately, getting any car out of hibernation and into current reliable
racing form is not going to come without disappointment.
But the reward is that much greater... you have lots of people here to help
you.
Judging by what you have put into the car already you should be pretty
close to reliable already.
Any vintage race car is going to require constant attention.
The sound of a well performing GT6 is worth a bit of extra effort.
I finish well in almost every race in mine.
Yes, there are a select few great GT6 drivers/owners that have made them go
fast and far.
That possibility is what you need to latch onto.
I've done almost everything you have mentioned over the past few years.
I hope to be sipping bubbly from the Kastner Cup in a couple weeks.


In regards to another race car... I would go for an action packed club
racer in a full field spec class... lots of seat time.
Try to hang in there.
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Edward Dunn
<edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>wrote:

> Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized
> me
> to buy another race car.  (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as
> well)
> Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, I'm
> looking for opinions of what to look for.
>
> As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races
> an
> FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her.  I want to
> initially
> spend well under $30k.  Of course, a lot of the price is factored into just
> how race ready a particular car is.  I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
> Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc.  Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going
> there
> for several reasons...)
>
> I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective
> folks
> here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions.  I
> really
> need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
> competitive side.  I want a car that can finish races consistently.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Ed Dunn
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Apr 10 19:03:55 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:03:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance
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 material spec may be an issue.  we just had a major thread on this....

drawing up the archives on this may lead to a good decision for your
situation.

i think we have come to a conclusion that bronze guides may not be worth the
risk.





Joe Alexander
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-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Dunn <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>
To: Tim Murphy <timmurph at fastbytes.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: rpm724 <rpm724 at att.net>; ryan.murphy <ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov>
Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 6:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance


Valve guide clearance...



At the VARA Willow Springs race recently, my GT6 crapped out. (again...)
Pulled the rocker cover, and discovered a broken rocker and a stuck valve.
Once at home, I pulled the head. Piston, etc look ok.  Head is now at machine
shop undergoing restorative surgery.  Initial look by machinist indicates
seized valve due to tight valve guide clearance.  This is a freshly rebuilt
motor.  Engine builder says he honed guides to 0.0025" tolerance.  Machinist
is pulling all valves to check...  Shall he go .004" clearance?



Ed











-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
Of Tim Murphy
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 2:59 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: rpm724 at att.net; ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance



I took our head up to a machine shop in Appleton, WI to have it checked for

cracks and primarily to get the valves ground.  Here is what the machinist

has reported to me:







Intake valve guides a little loose                Intake valve stems okay







Exhaust valve guides okay                           Exhaust valves about

0.001 wear on the stem







The intake valves are a nice fit into the exhaust guides.  This is not the

usual type of wear he sees on the more common (Chevy and Ford V-8's) that he

works on.







Question:  What is the "normal" clearance valve stem to valve guide for the

TR4 engine when used for racing?  To put it another way, can we run the

engine with the intake guides loose and the 0.001 wear on the exhaust valve

stems?  And, is this the usual wear pattern on the TR4 engine?







We are running a stock crank with stock rods, all balanced, and forged

WISECO pistons with 87 mm liners from Ken Gilanders.  We try to keep to a

5500 RPM redline with occasional use of 6000 for overtaking.  For what it's

worth we have a 4.3 rear end and overdrive.







I recall a discussion on the list some time ago regarding different

materials being used for guides and a problem with getting the proper

clearance.  As I recall, a number of folks were using these guides and

unfortunately had valves get stuck with somewhat disastrous results.  I

think the guides were bronze or some alloy with bronze in it.  I don't

recall any discussion on clearance for stock valves and stock guides.  My

gut feel is that I'd rather have the guides/valves a little loose than have

a valve stick and destroy the head and maybe the rest of the engine.







Thanks for your help,







Tim & Ryan Murphy



1961 TR4  #317

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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Apr 10 19:47:55 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:47:55 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance
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I use .003 - .004 for bronze guides & haven't seized one yet.
jim g

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Behalf Of Edward Dunn
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:17 PM
To: Tim Murphy; fot at autox.team.net
Cc: rpm724 at att.net; ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance

Valve guide clearance...



At the VARA Willow Springs race recently, my GT6 crapped out. (again...)
Pulled the rocker cover, and discovered a broken rocker and a stuck valve.
Once at home, I pulled the head. Piston, etc look ok.  Head is now at
machine
shop undergoing restorative surgery.  Initial look by machinist indicates
seized valve due to tight valve guide clearance.  This is a freshly rebuilt
motor.  Engine builder says he honed guides to 0.0025" tolerance.  Machinist
is pulling all valves to check...  Shall he go .004" clearance?



Ed











-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
Of Tim Murphy
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 2:59 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: rpm724 at att.net; ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance



I took our head up to a machine shop in Appleton, WI to have it checked for

cracks and primarily to get the valves ground.  Here is what the machinist

has reported to me:







Intake valve guides a little loose                Intake valve stems okay







Exhaust valve guides okay                           Exhaust valves about

0.001 wear on the stem







The intake valves are a nice fit into the exhaust guides.  This is not the

usual type of wear he sees on the more common (Chevy and Ford V-8's) that he

works on.







Question:  What is the "normal" clearance valve stem to valve guide for the

TR4 engine when used for racing?  To put it another way, can we run the

engine with the intake guides loose and the 0.001 wear on the exhaust valve

stems?  And, is this the usual wear pattern on the TR4 engine?







We are running a stock crank with stock rods, all balanced, and forged

WISECO pistons with 87 mm liners from Ken Gilanders.  We try to keep to a

5500 RPM redline with occasional use of 6000 for overtaking.  For what it's

worth we have a 4.3 rear end and overdrive.







I recall a discussion on the list some time ago regarding different

materials being used for guides and a problem with getting the proper

clearance.  As I recall, a number of folks were using these guides and

unfortunately had valves get stuck with somewhat disastrous results.  I

think the guides were bronze or some alloy with bronze in it.  I don't

recall any discussion on clearance for stock valves and stock guides.  My

gut feel is that I'd rather have the guides/valves a little loose than have

a valve stick and destroy the head and maybe the rest of the engine.







Thanks for your help,







Tim & Ryan Murphy



1961 TR4  #317

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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Tue Apr 10 20:09:28 2012
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 22:09:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VIR Track Talk or Video?
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Have fun

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:44 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] VIR Track Talk or Video?

I'll be at VIR this weekend for the first time in eight years, and the last
time only lasted one day until a rocker arm broke, with valve/piston damage.
Anyone have a good description of how to drive the track, map showing best
lines, or video they care to share?  I found last year at Watkins Glen that
advance reading of a great description of driving the track, turn by turn,
and studying a map and photos was really helpful.
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From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Tue Apr 10 20:51:43 2012
From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:51:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] another race car
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Message-ID: <81B87BCD1EC64A00BE14C443AC4E170B@TER2>

If Gary Horskorda's car is not sold, his TR-4 sounds like a great deal to 
me!  It is still listed in the back of Victory Lane in the April issue for 
$18,300. The contact listed is 3tr67 at comcast.net  I have no conection with 
the car other than being a fellow racer. .
                                                                             
                            Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: [Fot] another race car


> Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized 
> me
> to buy another race car.  (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as 
> well)
> Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, 
> I'm
> looking for opinions of what to look for.
>
> As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races 
> an
> FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her.  I want to 
> initially
> spend well under $30k.  Of course, a lot of the price is factored into 
> just
> how race ready a particular car is.  I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
> Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc.  Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going 
> there
> for several reasons...)
>
> I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective 
> folks
> here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions.  I 
> really
> need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
> competitive side.  I want a car that can finish races consistently.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Ed Dunn
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From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Apr 10 21:03:33 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:03:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] another race car
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hmm, it's taken me eight years with my GT6 and I'm not there yet, though getting there.  I was paddocked next to a guy driving a 911 two years ago at the Turkey Bowl - a bunch of us were busy fixing our LBCs all weekend at the end of the season to squeak out one last race weekend of the year, and I ribbed the guy that he just parked next to us to gloat.  He said - no, no, I have to work on my car too - turns out that in 25,000 (!!!!!) track miles the worst thing he had to do was change a clutch!.  Still on the same motor.
Well, we could all drive Miatas.

On Apr 10, 2012, at 8:56 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:

Edward,
Speaking of Philosophical...
That is exactly why a GT6 can be so rewarding.
Its NOT easy but these cars can also be reliable.
It is more an issue of constant maintenance... And I understand that takes
time.
Don't give up on the GT6.
Keep that as your Vintage Racer just develop it with reliability in mind...
Unfortunately, getting any car out of hibernation and into current reliable
racing form is not going to come without disappointment.
But the reward is that much greater... you have lots of people here to help
you.
Judging by what you have put into the car already you should be pretty
close to reliable already.
Any vintage race car is going to require constant attention.
The sound of a well performing GT6 is worth a bit of extra effort.
I finish well in almost every race in mine.
Yes, there are a select few great GT6 drivers/owners that have made them go
fast and far.
That possibility is what you need to latch onto.
I've done almost everything you have mentioned over the past few years.
I hope to be sipping bubbly from the Kastner Cup in a couple weeks.


In regards to another race car... I would go for an action packed club
racer in a full field spec class... lots of seat time.
Try to hang in there.
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Edward Dunn
<edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>wrote:

> Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized
> me
> to buy another race car.  (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as
> well)
> Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, I'm
> looking for opinions of what to look for.
> 
> As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races
> an
> FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her.  I want to
> initially
> spend well under $30k.  Of course, a lot of the price is factored into just
> how race ready a particular car is.  I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
> Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc.  Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going
> there
> for several reasons...)
> 
> I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective
> folks
> here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions.  I
> really
> need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
> competitive side.  I want a car that can finish races consistently.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Ed Dunn
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Tue Apr 10 21:37:02 2012
From: horizonracing at msn.com (horizonracing at msn.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:37:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] another race car
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Agreed ! Gary has spent a lot of time on the details incl. A new RAtco frame  
!!

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-----Original message-----
From: Greg Solow <Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>
To: Edward Dunn <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>, fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 19:51:43 PDT
Subject: Re: [Fot] another race car

If Gary Horskorda's car is not sold, his TR-4 sounds like a great deal to  
me!  It is still listed in the back of Victory Lane in the April issue for  
$18,300. The contact listed is 3tr67 at comcast.net  I have no conection with  
the car other than being a fellow racer. .
                                                                              
                            Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Dunn"  
<edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: [Fot] another race car


> Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized  
> me
> to buy another race car.  (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as >  
well)
> Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, >  
I'm
> looking for opinions of what to look for.
>
> As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races  
> an
> FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her.  I want to >  
initially
> spend well under $30k.  Of course, a lot of the price is factored into >  
just
> how race ready a particular car is.  I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
> Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc.  Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going >  
there
> for several reasons...)
>
> I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective >  
folks
> here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions.  I >  
really
> need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
> competitive side.  I want a car that can finish races consistently.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Ed Dunn
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Apr 10 21:43:27 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 03:43:27 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance
Message-ID: <mailman.39.1334115793.3014.fot@autox.team.net>

I run 0.0015/0.003" with cast iron.

Cheers
Chris
Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone

From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Tue Apr 10 22:00:52 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:00:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] another race car
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Yes,

I saw that beautiful red TR online. Very nice. Value is certainly there.
Considering Ibm after max seat time, what are opinions going with a Spitfire?  Therebs a good, well race prepped Spit nearby, owner is asking $6500b&

Ed




From: horizonracing at msn.com [mailto:horizonracing at msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:37 PM
To: Edward Dunn; fot at autox.team.net; Greg Solow
Subject: Re: [Fot] another race car

Agreed ! Gary has spent a lot of time on the details incl. A new RAtco frame !!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


-----Original message-----
From: Greg Solow <Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com<mailto:Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>>
To: Edward Dunn <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com<mailto:edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>>, fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 19:51:43 PDT
Subject: Re: [Fot] another race car
If Gary Horskorda's car is not sold, his TR-4 sounds like a great deal to me! It is still listed in the back of Victory Lane in the April issue for $18,300. The contact listed is 3tr67 at comcast.net<mailto:3tr67 at comcast.net> I have no conection with the car other than being a fellow racer. .
Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Dunn"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: [Fot] another race car


> Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized > me
> to buy another race car. (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as > well)
> Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, > I'm
> looking for opinions of what to look for.
>
> As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races > an
> FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her. I want to > initially
> spend well under $30k. Of course, a lot of the price is factored into > just
> how race ready a particular car is. I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
> Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc. Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going > there
> for several reasons...)
>
> I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective > folks
> here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions. I > really
> need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
> competitive side. I want a car that can finish races consistently.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Ed Dunn
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Apr 10 22:14:29 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 22:14:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] another race car
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You said FV is not an option, how about Formula Ford?  Maybe an old
Crossle, not British, but Irish, close enough?

mjb.

From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue Apr 10 22:11:50 2012
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Fot)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:11:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] another race car
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Thanks Greg and Tony, the TR is available.

Gary

On Apr 10, 2012, at 8:37 PM, "horizonracing at msn.com" <horizonracing at msn.com>
wrote:

> Agreed ! Gary has spent a lot of time on the details incl. A new RAtco frame
> !!
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
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> -----Original message-----
> From: Greg Solow <Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>
> To: Edward Dunn <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>, fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 19:51:43 PDT
> Subject: Re: [Fot] another race car
>
> If Gary Horskorda's car is not sold, his TR-4 sounds like a great deal to
> me!  It is still listed in the back of Victory Lane in the April issue for
> $18,300. The contact listed is 3tr67 at comcast.net  I have no conection with
> the car other than being a fellow racer. .
>
>                            Greg Solow
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Dunn"
> <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:41 PM
> Subject: [Fot] another race car
>
>
>> Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized
>> me
>> to buy another race car.  (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as >
> well)
>> Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, >
> I'm
>> looking for opinions of what to look for.
>>
>> As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races
>> an
>> FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her.  I want to >
> initially
>> spend well under $30k.  Of course, a lot of the price is factored into >
> just
>> how race ready a particular car is.  I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
>> Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc.  Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going >
> there
>> for several reasons...)
>>
>> I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective >
> folks
>> here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions.  I >
> really
>> need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
>> competitive side.  I want a car that can finish races consistently.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Ed Dunn
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 11 10:32:19 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:32:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup and FOT shirts
Message-ID: <BLU168-W27C9D0F572E3631A92ED2BBA350@phx.gbl>

Shirts are printed and being shipped as we speak.  If you ordered a shirt you
received an email last week telling you to pay up.  Labor part is done but we
need to finish up the financial part. Please contact Ted of TSI at
800.543.6648 (US& Canada) and pay the man.  We need to wrap this up prior to
heading off to the MItty.

Thanks,
Marty

From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Wed Apr 11 13:03:58 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:03:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
question that may have already been answered.

On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric shop,
but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT racer
that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be simply
replaced instead of rebuilt.

Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the pit
to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted suggested I
wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps as
seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?

In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
getting down in there to bleed.

Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...

Ed

From jason at multivintage.com  Wed Apr 11 13:48:38 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:48:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <CALCydYqzc3vu-oLRkOTEofgYi9g+Kg_eDMtab851ag0KqZe-wQ@mail.gmail.com>

Starters have been a tough issue for me to. I had to make a custom set up
for mine. Nothing else would fit without touching the headers.
Short answer, try to have a couple spares on hand in case of a total failure
But regardless...They just won't work when hot.
Yes, definitely wrap the starter with the heat shield it helps a bit. (be
certain that the heat shield does not touch the header anywhere).

As for the clutch line, it should run behind the brake master cylinder and
along the rear of the firewall as far as possible. Then straight down to
the slave. Ted could make you a one piece braided line to run that entire
distance...I doubt the line getting hot is the problem. Its probably the
clutch itself getting hot and not working right...
What kind of clutch set-up do you have?


Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Edward Dunn
<edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>wrote:

> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
> question that may have already been answered.
>
> On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
> related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric
> shop,
> but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT
> racer
> that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be
> simply
> replaced instead of rebuilt.
>
> Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the
> pit
> to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
> really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted
> suggested I
> wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps
> as
> seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?
>
> In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
> pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
> Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
> using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
> getting down in there to bleed.
>
> Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...
>
> Ed
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From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Apr 11 13:53:34 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:53:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <DA713F5B-9B77-4CE7-8972-BBA26F22C8D5@me.com>

I use the high -torque starter I got from Ted -it's been good for about 6 years now, despite the fact that the insulation on exposed wiring is well cooked (jinxed myself now, of course).
My headers are about 1/4" away from the starter -close enough that I took a ball peen hammer to one of the tubes to increase the clearance a hair.   I have the starter wrapped in one of those aluminum blankets, and the header right near the starter wrapped with tape from Pegasus.
I'd get a quality starter from a known source -there have been threads about the variability of quality on these before.

Clutch - could be boiling fluid.  Try re-routing the line.  The slave is on the top right of the bell housing, so there should be no reason to bring the line close to the header - I had a flexible one that just came across the top of the b-housing from the master.  Might be another clutch issue - describe the symptoms more?

On Apr 11, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Edward Dunn wrote:

First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
question that may have already been answered.

On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric shop,
but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT racer
that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be simply
replaced instead of rebuilt.

Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the pit
to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted suggested I
wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps as
seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?

In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
getting down in there to bleed.

Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...

Ed
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From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Wed Apr 11 14:02:40 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:02:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <DA713F5B-9B77-4CE7-8972-BBA26F22C8D5@me.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<DA713F5B-9B77-4CE7-8972-BBA26F22C8D5@me.com>
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE5@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

Clutch operates normally when cool.  After some laps, it starts not fully
disengaging, to the point when I pull into the pits I can't get into first or
second gear.  Then once it cools down, it's fine again.  How about drilling
some 1" cooling holes in the bell housing?  Can't really use a transmission
cooler like on an automatic.  Car sits really low, plus exhaust running right
underneath, I imagine lots of hot air, not much cooling air.  Also, I've got
the exhaust running straight out the rear.  Should it be exiting the side, in
front of the right rear tire?




From: Scott Janzen [mailto:sjanzen at me.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:54 PM
To: Edward Dunn
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue

I use the high -torque starter I got from Ted -it's been good for about 6
years now, despite the fact that the insulation on exposed wiring is well
cooked (jinxed myself now, of course).
My headers are about 1/4" away from the starter -close enough that I took a
ball peen hammer to one of the tubes to increase the clearance a hair.   I
have the starter wrapped in one of those aluminum blankets, and the header
right near the starter wrapped with tape from Pegasus.
I'd get a quality starter from a known source -there have been threads about
the variability of quality on these before.

Clutch - could be boiling fluid.  Try re-routing the line.  The slave is on
the top right of the bell housing, so there should be no reason to bring the
line close to the header - I had a flexible one that just came across the top
of the b-housing from the master.  Might be another clutch issue - describe
the symptoms more?

On Apr 11, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Edward Dunn wrote:

First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
question that may have already been answered.

On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric
shop,
but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT racer
that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be simply
replaced instead of rebuilt.

Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the
pit
to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted suggested
I
wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps as
seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?

In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
getting down in there to bleed.

Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...

Ed
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Apr 11 14:47:06 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:47:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <DA713F5B-9B77-4CE7-8972-BBA26F22C8D5@me.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>,
	<DA713F5B-9B77-4CE7-8972-BBA26F22C8D5@me.com>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W37B1BA9C6099519138E9E3DF350@phx.gbl>

One of the things I learned in the turbocharger business long ago;  air gaps
make a great insulator for hot things. Yes, wrap the starter and if room make
just a aluminum shield that gives an air gap around the starter. You probably
cannot get more than a 1/4" gap but it really worth the effort.  Stainless is
better, but harder to work with, Titanium is the best but tough to find and
tough to work. it is a lot easier to say this than to do it, but TRY.
Never be beaten by equipment
 > From: sjanzen at me.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:53:34 -0400
> To: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
>
> I use the high -torque starter I got from Ted -it's been good for about 6
years now, despite the fact that the insulation on exposed wiring is well
cooked (jinxed myself now, of course).
> My headers are about 1/4" away from the starter -close enough that I took a
ball peen hammer to one of the tubes to increase the clearance a hair.   I
have the starter wrapped in one of those aluminum blankets, and the header
right near the starter wrapped with tape from Pegasus.
> I'd get a quality starter from a known source -there have been threads about
the variability of quality on these before.
>
> Clutch - could be boiling fluid.  Try re-routing the line.  The slave is on
the top right of the bell housing, so there should be no reason to bring the
line close to the header - I had a flexible one that just came across the top
of the b-housing from the master.  Might be another clutch issue - describe
the symptoms more?
>
> On Apr 11, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Edward Dunn wrote:
>
> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
> question that may have already been answered.
>
> On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
> related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric
shop,
> but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT
racer
> that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be
simply
> replaced instead of rebuilt.
>
> Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the
pit
> to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
> really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted suggested
I
> wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps
as
> seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?
>
> In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
> pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
> Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
> using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
> getting down in there to bleed.
>
> Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...
>
> Ed
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Apr 11 17:20:02 2012
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:20:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <000601cd1839$9f626280$de272780$@com>

Possibly boiling the brake fluid in the clutch line?  Just a thought.

Tim Murphy

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Edward Dunn
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:04 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue

First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
question that may have already been answered.

On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric
shop,
but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT racer
that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be
simply
replaced instead of rebuilt.

Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the
pit
to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted suggested
I
wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps as
seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?

In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
getting down in there to bleed.

Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...

Ed
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From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 11 19:52:13 2012
From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:52:13 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <5E062225-1C41-4D43-A87F-69CEB44B790B@yahoo.com>

The heat wrap does work, but my neighbor told me to take it off.  He has an
early '70s Cuda that he races in the Pikes Peak Hill Climb every year.  He
actually cooked a set of headers with the heat wrap on. I didn't believe until
one evening I had the TR4 running and could see a bright red glow at the
collector.

I had my header ceramic coated.  Cost about $150 by a shop in Wheat Ridge, CO.
Looks great and vastly reduced the heat up front and eliminates rust.  Coating
is inside and out.  No commercial interest.

Ty



Tyler

Sent from my iPad
(Please excuse any errors or typos)

On Apr 11, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Edward Dunn <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>
wrote:

> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
> question that may have already been answered.
>
> On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
> related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric
shop,
> but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT
racer
> that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be
simply
> replaced instead of rebuilt.
>
> Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the
pit
> to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
> really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted suggested
I
> wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps
as
> seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?
>
> In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
> pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
> Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
> using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
> getting down in there to bleed.
>
> Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...
>
> Ed
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 11 20:04:26 2012
From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:04:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
Message-ID: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>

My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014 intake/.016
exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
clearances may be a bit too tight.

That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless (I
don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this question)
he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my valve
lash is too tight.

Appreciate your input..

Thx

Ty


Sent from my iPad

From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Wed Apr 11 20:51:40 2012
From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:51:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <049B32E6A1094801911F7C130E8EED24@TER2>

Don't wrap the header unless it is made of stainless tubing. It will fall 
apart in no time from excessive heat. Kas is absolutely right. wrap the 
starter in heat shielding. Put a heat shield between the starter and the 
header. Try to duct cool air into this area. Have the header coated inside 
and out with very high heat resistant/insulating coating.
                                                                             
                    Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward Dunn" <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:03 PM
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue


> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
> question that may have already been answered.
>
> On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
> related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric 
> shop,
> but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT 
> racer
> that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be 
> simply
> replaced instead of rebuilt.
>
> Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the 
> pit
> to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
> really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted 
> suggested I
> wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps 
> as
> seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?
>
> In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
> pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
> Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and 
> am
> using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
> getting down in there to bleed.
>
> Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...
>
> Ed
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From igofaster at att.net  Wed Apr 11 22:16:28 2012
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:16:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] another race car
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buy a Porsche, made to race from the get go...






________________________________
From: Edward Dunn <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>
To: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, April 10, 2012 6:41:47 PM
Subject: [Fot] another race car

Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized me
to buy another race car.  (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as well)
Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, I'm
looking for opinions of what to look for.

As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races an
FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her.  I want to initially
spend well under $30k.  Of course, a lot of the price is factored into just
how race ready a particular car is.  I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc.  Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going there
for several reasons...)

I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective folks
here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions.  I really
need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
competitive side.  I want a car that can finish races consistently.

Thoughts?

Ed Dunn
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 12 02:43:48 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:43:48 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
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I had some trouble with these modern starters too.
>From vibration the lines to the solenoid inside the housing do break and
have contact occasionally.
Not very funny.
I've cut them off a little and soldered the wires from old starter brushes
of the stock starter in place.
These thick wire loops do work perfect and doesn't vibrate.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Edward Dunn
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:04 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue

First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
question that may have already been answered.

On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric
shop,
but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT racer
that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be
simply
replaced instead of rebuilt.

Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the
pit
to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted suggested
I
wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps as
seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?

In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
getting down in there to bleed.

Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...

Ed
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Apr 12 06:01:43 2012
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:01:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] another race car
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2012, Bobby Whitehead wrote:

> buy a Porsche, made to race from the get go...

If you do, don't forget the Darth Vader kit to go with it.

:-)

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From jkhagen at charter.net  Thu Apr 12 07:18:40 2012
From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:18:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
Message-ID: <1deb574e.1ec76.136a6b4aed8.Webtop.46@charter.net>

FOT's--Do you want to save the starter or make horse power.  According 
to Myron Cottrell -[Cotrell Racing Engines] some of the best in the 
nation-do not wrap or coat headers--you want heat to excape engine and 
headers any way possible. John Hagen


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:

> The heat wrap does work, but my neighbor told me to take it off.  He 
> has an
> early '70s Cuda that he races in the Pikes Peak Hill Climb every year. 
> He
> actually cooked a set of headers with the heat wrap on. I didn't 
> believe until
> one evening I had the TR4 running and could see a bright red glow at 
> the
> collector.
>
> I had my header ceramic coated.  Cost about $150 by a shop in Wheat 
> Ridge, CO.
> Looks great and vastly reduced the heat up front and eliminates rust. 
> Coating
> is inside and out.  No commercial interest.
>
> Ty
>
>
>
> Tyler
>
> Sent from my iPad
> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
>
> On Apr 11, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Edward Dunn 
> <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>
> wrote:
>
>> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking 
>> a
>> question that may have already been answered.
>>
>> On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be 
>> heat
>> related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto 
>> electric
> shop,
>> but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a 
>> FOT
> racer
>> that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should 
>> be
> simply
>> replaced instead of rebuilt.
>>
>> Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by 
>> in the
> pit
>> to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, 
>> which
>> really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted 
>> suggested
> I
>> wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating 
>> wraps
> as
>> seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter 
>> functioning?
>>
>> In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch 
>> line is
>> pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too 
>> hot?
>> Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, 
>> and am
>> using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real 
>> interesting
>> getting down in there to bleed.
>>
>> Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...
>>
>> Ed
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>>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 12 07:43:57 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:43:57 +0200
Subject: [Fot] another race car
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1204120800430.14682@isis.mit.edu>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<1334204188.12073.YahooMailRC@web180810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1204120800430.14682@isis.mit.edu>
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The Dark Force is strong with this one.

> buy a Porsche, made to race from the get go...

If you do, don't forget the Darth Vader kit to go with it.

From PegAndBobM at aol.com  Thu Apr 12 07:56:43 2012
From: PegAndBobM at aol.com (PegAndBobM at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:56:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] another race car
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Decent TR4 at a very reasonable price.  Car was very reliable when  driven 
by Ray, but Ray's nature was not to overstress the equipment and always  
have a smile at the end of the race day.
 
_http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/2941078375.html_ 
(http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/2941078375.html)     
 
 
In a message dated 04/12/2012 07:48:00 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:

The Dark  Force is strong with this one.

> buy a Porsche, made to race from  the get go...

If you do, don't forget the Darth Vader kit to go with  it.
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From harmug at us.ibm.com  Thu Apr 12 09:47:00 2012
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:47:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Shirts
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Received a box of FOT and Mitty shirts last night. They look great.
Hats off (Next SWAG? ) to Marty and Ted for doing this.

mike h
14 days and counting

G. Michael Harmuth

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu Apr 12 09:51:13 2012
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:51:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <1deb574e.1ec76.136a6b4aed8.Webtop.46@charter.net>
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On 4/12/12 6:18 AM, jkhagen at charter.net wrote:
> FOT's--Do you want to save the starter or make horse power.  According 
> to Myron Cottrell -[Cotrell Racing Engines] some of the best in the 
> nation-do not wrap or coat headers--you want heat to excape engine and 
> headers any way possible. John Hagen
Also, traditional wrap collects moisture and holds it next to the steel 
headers.  I had a wrapped header literately turn to rust flakes within 5 
years running in a moist environment.  If you decide the starter is more 
important I suggest you get the inside of the headers ceramic coated, 
paint liquid ceramic coating on the body of the starter motor and sleeve 
your wiring.

Teriann

From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Apr 12 10:03:01 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:03:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
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	<4F86F9F1.5090104@gmail.com>
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Just as an aside, high performance two-stroke expansion chambers benefit
from having the header pipe and initial cones wrapped up to the center
chamber. 


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Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:51 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue

On 4/12/12 6:18 AM, jkhagen at charter.net wrote:
> FOT's--Do you want to save the starter or make horse power.  According 
> to Myron Cottrell -[Cotrell Racing Engines] some of the best in the 
> nation-do not wrap or coat headers--you want heat to excape engine and 
> headers any way possible. John Hagen
Also, traditional wrap collects moisture and holds it next to the steel
headers.  I had a wrapped header literately turn to rust flakes within 5
years running in a moist environment.  If you decide the starter is more
important I suggest you get the inside of the headers ceramic coated, paint
liquid ceramic coating on the body of the starter motor and sleeve your
wiring.

Teriann
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 12 10:38:41 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:38:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Shirts
In-Reply-To: <OF1A26BEF9.EC247150-ON852579DE.0056843C-852579DE.0056B3B7@us.ibm.com>
References: <mailman.10671.1334238984.3017.fot@autox.team.net>,
	<OF1A26BEF9.EC247150-ON852579DE.0056843C-852579DE.0056B3B7@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <BLU168-W573EAAB9856A8A4EF52E76BA3A0@phx.gbl>

Thanks Mike.  The big thanks should go out to Steve Belfer for that great
artwork that made it all happen.

Marty


> To: fot at autox.team.net
> From: harmug at us.ibm.com
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:47:00 -0400
> Subject: [Fot] Shirts
>
> Received a box of FOT and Mitty shirts last night. They look great.
> Hats off (Next SWAG? ) to Marty and Ted for doing this.
>
> mike h
> 14 days and counting
>
> G. Michael Harmuth
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Apr 12 11:12:09 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:12:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] :  Shirts and Poster    TED  MARTY  STEVE  IRV  VTR
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W573EAAB9856A8A4EF52E76BA3A0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.10671.1334238984.3017.fot@autox.team.net>,
	<OF1A26BEF9.EC247150-ON852579DE.0056843C-852579DE.0056B3B7@us.ibm.com>
	<BLU168-W573EAAB9856A8A4EF52E76BA3A0@phx.gbl>
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 10-4 on the thanks to those guys.

I am hoping that they will be involved in the 2013 KASTNER CUP, too.

Thanks also to VTR for sponsoring the official FOT poster for this Kastner
Cup, once again, and to Irv Korey acting as their representative at THE
MITTY.

Steve Belfer, would you contact me off list? I have a proposal for you. I
tried an email address and it didnt work.



Joe Alexander
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645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: Mike Harmuth <harmug at us.ibm.com>; FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 11:42 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Shirts


Thanks Mike.  The big thanks should go out to Steve Belfer for that great
artwork that made it all happen.

Marty


> To: fot at autox.team.net
> From: harmug at us.ibm.com
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:47:00 -0400
> Subject: [Fot] Shirts
>
> Received a box of FOT and Mitty shirts last night. They look great.
> Hats off (Next SWAG? ) to Marty and Ted for doing this.
>
> mike h
> 14 days and counting
>
> G. Michael Harmuth
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From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Thu Apr 12 11:56:14 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:56:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <1deb574e.1ec76.136a6b4aed8.Webtop.46@charter.net>
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Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AF3@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

How then do I start my car on the grid?

EED



-----Original Message-----
From: jkhagen at charter.net [mailto:jkhagen at charter.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:19 AM
To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
Cc: Edward Dunn; Triumph Friends of
Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue

FOT's--Do you want to save the starter or make horse power.  According
to Myron Cottrell -[Cotrell Racing Engines] some of the best in the
nation-do not wrap or coat headers--you want heat to excape engine and
headers any way possible. John Hagen

From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu Apr 12 12:30:40 2012
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:30:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Shirts
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W573EAAB9856A8A4EF52E76BA3A0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.10671.1334238984.3017.fot@autox.team.net>,
	<OF1A26BEF9.EC247150-ON852579DE.0056843C-852579DE.0056B3B7@us.ibm.com>
	<BLU168-W573EAAB9856A8A4EF52E76BA3A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F871F50.2080607@bright.net>

Marty, right your are.  Kudo's to Steve B. Ted


On 4/12/2012 12:38 PM, marty sukey wrote:
> Thanks Mike.  The big thanks should go out to Steve Belfer for that great
> artwork that made it all happen.
>
> Marty
>
>
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> From: harmug at us.ibm.com
>> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:47:00 -0400
>> Subject: [Fot] Shirts
>>
>> Received a box of FOT and Mitty shirts last night. They look great.
>> Hats off (Next SWAG? ) to Marty and Ted for doing this.
>>
>> mike h
>> 14 days and counting
>>
>> G. Michael Harmuth
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-- 
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tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US&  Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 12 13:12:21 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:12:21 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
Message-ID: <mailman.42.1334257924.3014.fot@autox.team.net>

Be first and let you push by other cars behind you.

------Originalnachricht------
Von: Edward Dunn
Absender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
Gesendet: 12. Apr. 2012 19:56

How then do I start my car on the grid?

EED



-----Original Message-----
From: jkhagen at charter.net [mailto:jkhagen at charter.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:19 AM
To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
Cc: Edward Dunn; Triumph Friends of
Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue

FOT's--Do you want to save the starter or make horse power.  According
to Myron Cottrell -[Cotrell Racing Engines] some of the best in the
nation-do not wrap or coat headers--you want heat to excape engine and
headers any way possible. John Hagen
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Apr 12 16:00:20 2012
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:00:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
References: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F0BBB0C3AD9D420BA7FED0E456FEA3CE@rocky>

Migawd, is Paeco even still in business? First thing I'd do, if Paeco ground 
the cam, is check the cam to be sure it is the correct specs. (If they're 
selling you someone else's cam, I'd not worry as much.)

I could tell you multiple horror stories about dealing with Paeco, none of 
them good. To the end I ceased doing business with them years ago.

While you don't say what car your cam is in, the Rick Cline cam in my 
Spitfire has clearances of .022/.024 hot.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:04 PM
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot


> My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014 
> intake/.016
> exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
> folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
> clearances may be a bit too tight.
>
> That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless 
> (I
> don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this 
> question)
> he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
> motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
> optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my 
> valve
> lash is too tight.
>
> Appreciate your input..
>
> Thx
>
> Ty

From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 12 16:08:46 2012
From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:08:46 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
In-Reply-To: <F0BBB0C3AD9D420BA7FED0E456FEA3CE@rocky>
References: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>
	<F0BBB0C3AD9D420BA7FED0E456FEA3CE@rocky>
Message-ID: <AE31F76E-2941-4EEE-A6B2-5C91377F2D26@yahoo.com>

There web site is up.  The cam was in the car (TR4) when I bought it so I
really don't know much else about it.

Thx

Ty


Sent from my iPad
(Please excuse any errors or typos)

On Apr 12, 2012, at 4:00 PM, "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote:

> Migawd, is Paeco even still in business? First thing I'd do, if Paeco ground
the cam, is check the cam to be sure it is the correct specs. (If they're
selling you someone else's cam, I'd not worry as much.)
>
> I could tell you multiple horror stories about dealing with Paeco, none of
them good. To the end I ceased doing business with them years ago.
>
> While you don't say what car your cam is in, the Rick Cline cam in my
Spitfire has clearances of .022/.024 hot.
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:04 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
>
>
>> My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014
intake/.016
>> exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
>> folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
>> clearances may be a bit too tight.
>>
>> That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless
(I
>> don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this
question)
>> he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
>> motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
>> optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my
valve
>> lash is too tight.
>>
>> Appreciate your input..
>>
>> Thx
>>
>> Ty

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Apr 12 16:29:49 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:29:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
In-Reply-To: <AE31F76E-2941-4EEE-A6B2-5C91377F2D26@yahoo.com>
References: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com><F0BBB0C3AD9D420BA7FED0E456FEA3CE@rocky>
	<AE31F76E-2941-4EEE-A6B2-5C91377F2D26@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CEE712E7B9AD87-1F80-1392C@webmail-m103.sysops.aol.com>

Other than some other similar remarks, this is the first that PAECO has come
up in a long time.

I have not (knowingly) bought anything from them, so I have nothing to say.

Does any one have anything specific to say about them?





Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Tylerpthompson <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
To: Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net> <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 5:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot


There web site is up.  The cam was in the car (TR4) when I bought it so I
really don't know much else about it.

Thx

Ty


Sent from my iPad
(Please excuse any errors or typos)

On Apr 12, 2012, at 4:00 PM, "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote:

> Migawd, is Paeco even still in business? First thing I'd do, if Paeco
ground
the cam, is check the cam to be sure it is the correct specs. (If they're
selling you someone else's cam, I'd not worry as much.)
>
> I could tell you multiple horror stories about dealing with Paeco, none of
them good. To the end I ceased doing business with them years ago.
>
> While you don't say what car your cam is in, the Rick Cline cam in my
Spitfire has clearances of .022/.024 hot.
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:04 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
>
>
>> My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014
intake/.016
>> exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
>> folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
>> clearances may be a bit too tight.
>>
>> That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless
(I
>> don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this
question)
>> he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
>> motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
>> optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my
valve
>> lash is too tight.
>>
>> Appreciate your input..
>>
>> Thx
>>
>> Ty
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Apr 12 16:46:36 2012
From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:46:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
In-Reply-To: <8CEE712E7B9AD87-1F80-1392C@webmail-m103.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20120412184636.0G9EN.330098.imail@fed1rmwml106>

I used to receive their catalogues bu their prices always seemed incredibly high and I never bought anything from them because of that.

Joe C.


---- Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote: 
> Other than some other similar remarks, this is the first that PAECO has come
> up in a long time.
> 
> I have not (knowingly) bought anything from them, so I have nothing to say.
> 
> Does any one have anything specific to say about them?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tylerpthompson <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
> To: Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 5:14 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
> 
> 
> There web site is up.  The cam was in the car (TR4) when I bought it so I
> really don't know much else about it.
> 
> Thx
> 
> Ty
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
> 
> On Apr 12, 2012, at 4:00 PM, "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote:
> 
> > Migawd, is Paeco even still in business? First thing I'd do, if Paeco
> ground
> the cam, is check the cam to be sure it is the correct specs. (If they're
> selling you someone else's cam, I'd not worry as much.)
> >
> > I could tell you multiple horror stories about dealing with Paeco, none of
> them good. To the end I ceased doing business with them years ago.
> >
> > While you don't say what car your cam is in, the Rick Cline cam in my
> Spitfire has clearances of .022/.024 hot.
> >
> > --Rocky Entriken
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
> > To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:04 PM
> > Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
> >
> >
> >> My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014
> intake/.016
> >> exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
> >> folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
> >> clearances may be a bit too tight.
> >>
> >> That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless
> (I
> >> don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this
> question)
> >> he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
> >> motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
> >> optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my
> valve
> >> lash is too tight.
> >>
> >> Appreciate your input..
> >>
> >> Thx
> >>
> >> Ty
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Thu Apr 12 17:03:54 2012
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:03:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
In-Reply-To: <20120412184636.0G9EN.330098.imail@fed1rmwml106>
References: <8CEE712E7B9AD87-1F80-1392C@webmail-m103.sysops.aol.com>,
	<20120412184636.0G9EN.330098.imail@fed1rmwml106>
Message-ID: <SNT134-W46D3A383C8BCB6E31D01DF903A0@phx.gbl>

I have a brand new PAECO cam for my MG motor that I got in a pile of parts and
am wondering if I shoul put it in the
engine.................................Henry Morrison


> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:46:36 -0700
> From: spitlist at cox.net
> To: n197tr4 at cs.com; Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com; rocky at spitfire4.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO
>
> I used to receive their catalogues bu their prices always seemed incredibly
high and I never bought anything from them because of that.
>
> Joe C.
>
>
> ---- Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
> > Other than some other similar remarks, this is the first that PAECO has
come
> > up in a long time.
> >
> > I have not (knowingly) bought anything from them, so I have nothing to
say.
> >
> > Does any one have anything specific to say about them?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> > A. R. E.
> > 645 1st Street
> > Jesup, Iowa 50648
> > 319.464.4711 (cell)
> > n197tr4 at cs.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tylerpthompson <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
> > To: Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com>
> > Cc: <fot at autox.team.net> <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 5:14 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
> >
> >
> > There web site is up. The cam was in the car (TR4) when I bought it so I
> > really don't know much else about it.
> >
> > Thx
> >
> > Ty
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> > (Please excuse any errors or typos)
> >
> > On Apr 12, 2012, at 4:00 PM, "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
wrote:
> >
> > > Migawd, is Paeco even still in business? First thing I'd do, if Paeco
> > ground
> > the cam, is check the cam to be sure it is the correct specs. (If they're
> > selling you someone else's cam, I'd not worry as much.)
> > >
> > > I could tell you multiple horror stories about dealing with Paeco, none
of
> > them good. To the end I ceased doing business with them years ago.
> > >
> > > While you don't say what car your cam is in, the Rick Cline cam in my
> > Spitfire has clearances of .022/.024 hot.
> > >
> > > --Rocky Entriken
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
> > > To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:04 PM
> > > Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
> > >
> > >
> > >> My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam. The cam card calls for a .014
> > intake/.016
> > >> exhaust valve lash. A little looser than stock, but not by much. I
know
> > >> folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
> > >> clearances may be a bit too tight.
> > >>
> > >> That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain
nameless
> > (I
> > >> don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this
> > question)
> > >> he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a
hot
> > >> motor after a race. We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is
an
> > >> optimum clearance we should be shooting for. Just a thought in case my
> > valve
> > >> lash is too tight.
> > >>
> > >> Appreciate your input..
> > >>
> > >> Thx
> > >>
> > >> Ty
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
> >
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Thu Apr 12 17:48:10 2012
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:48:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 6 Cylinder Heads
Message-ID: <4F8769BA.2000102@pobox.com>

I'm still working on the specs for my warmed up TR250. I have received 
conflicting opinions as to which head is better. The early US spec heads 
had smaller ports than the PI heads and the later carb heads.  Does 
anyone have any firm data, e.g. flow data or dyno data, to support the 
superiority of one head over the other?  Kas did the 128 mph 
demonstration using a mildly modified TR250 with small port head.
Larry Young

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Apr 12 18:39:30 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 20:39:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
Message-ID: <8CEE72505E39AC5-1F80-150F4@webmail-m103.sysops.aol.com>

 A short review of PAECO website:

Might be worth a trip through it just for entertainment.

They might have some interesting stuff on the shelf, including some Titanium
parts.

There's a GT6 CRANKSHAFT sitting on the shelf at a seemingly good
price...'internet specia'l.

Prices seem mostly high, but that might be just me.

I heard one very disastrous FOT engine story from several years ago, that was
simply wrong in all respects. But most of us have our own favorite engine
builders close by, anyway.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Apr 12 20:00:48 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 02:00:48 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 6 Cylinder Heads
In-Reply-To: <4F8769BA.2000102@pobox.com>
References: <4F8769BA.2000102@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W27336921EAFBA9EA742907DF3B0@phx.gbl>

Remember that that speed was an AVERAGE at Daytona. It was all original stock
TR-250 material before the car was introduced to the public.

Never be beaten by equipment
 > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:48:10 -0500
> From: cartravel at pobox.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] 6 Cylinder Heads
>
> I'm still working on the specs for my warmed up TR250. I have received
> conflicting opinions as to which head is better. The early US spec heads
> had smaller ports than the PI heads and the later carb heads.  Does
> anyone have any firm data, e.g. flow data or dyno data, to support the
> superiority of one head over the other?  Kas did the 128 mph
> demonstration using a mildly modified TR250 with small port head.
> Larry Young
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Apr 12 20:09:57 2012
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 21:09:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 front corners/brakes
Message-ID: <203C6BB7DB7E46B89DCA733314E785FF@rocky>

So, does anybody just happen to have a GT6 parts car or hulk sitting around
with front corners intact?

Mainly I'm looking to upgrade my Spitfire disc brakes and I'm told I want to
hang GT6 corners on the car. Don't need the shocks, A-arms optional, but
everything else.

Should you have such you're willing to part with, gimme a shout.

--Rocky Entriken

From gp89 at charter.net  Thu Apr 12 20:44:48 2012
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 22:44:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
Message-ID: <7506d8d1.2b79b.136a996b82d.Webtop.46@charter.net>

My experience with them was less than poor. I had a Paeco built engine 
in my first Spit. Lots of bad reviews.
  Jeff Senty


On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Joe Alexander wrote:

> A short review of PAECO website:
>
> Might be worth a trip through it just for entertainment.
>
> They might have some interesting stuff on the shelf, including some 
> Titanium
> parts.
>
> There's a GT6 CRANKSHAFT sitting on the shelf at a seemingly good
> price...'internet specia'l.
>
> Prices seem mostly high, but that might be just me.
>
> I heard one very disastrous FOT engine story from several years ago, 
> that was
> simply wrong in all respects. But most of us have our own favorite 
> engine
> builders close by, anyway.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Fri Apr 13 07:37:15 2012
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:37:15 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
Message-ID: <20120413.093715.17533.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com>

Tyler, it was always my understanding that valve lash should be set while the
engine is hot.  You want the specified lash while the engine is running at
operating temperature and the closest way to get that is with a hot engine.

I think some of my earlier cams had lash of 14 and 16, but as the cams got
bigger the lash got bigger.  Yes with bigger clearances you lose some total
lift, but with bigger clearances the valve opens more suddenly and sometimes
engines respond the that.  Bigger lash is also harsher on the valve train as
the parts are moving faster when they come together. Trying different
clearances on a dyno would best determine what the engine wants.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
To: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:04:26 -0600

My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014 intake/.016
exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
clearances may be a bit too tight.

That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless (I
don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this question)
he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my valve
lash is too tight.

Appreciate your input..

Thx

Ty


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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 13 12:08:22 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:08:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
In-Reply-To: <7506d8d1.2b79b.136a996b82d.Webtop.46@charter.net>
References: <7506d8d1.2b79b.136a996b82d.Webtop.46@charter.net>
Message-ID: <1334340502.67389.YahooMailNeo@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I saw a flywheel for a TR6 made by them back in the early nineties that was
made from some sort of soft aluminum. The ring gear was loose (before it was
even installed on the car) and it was a loose fit on the crankshaft. I Told
the guy to send it back and find another source. 
Mike

From: Jeff Senty
<gp89 at charter.net>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> 
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO

My experience
with them was less than poor. I had a Paeco built engine in my first Spit.
Lots of bad reviews.
Jeff Senty


On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Joe
Alexander wrote:

> A short review of PAECO website:
> 
> Might be worth a
trip through it just for entertainment.
> 
> They might have some interesting
stuff on the shelf, including some Titanium
> parts.
> 
> There's a GT6
CRANKSHAFT sitting on the shelf at a seemingly good
> price...'internet
specia'l.
> 
> Prices seem mostly high, but that might be just me.
> 
> I
heard one very disastrous FOT engine story from several years ago, that was
>
simply wrong in all respects. But most of us have our own favorite engine
>
builders close by, anyway.
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st
Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 13 13:29:08 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 21:29:08 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
In-Reply-To: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>
References: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001301cd19ab$b3d51280$1b7f3780$@com>

I did a lot of measurements between cold and hot engine but didn't find any
difference except burned fingers.
For my part I set it cold. It might be a difference with an aluminum engine
but with a cast iron engine it seems quite constant.

Cheers
Chris

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An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot

My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014
intake/.016
exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
clearances may be a bit too tight.

That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless
(I
don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this
question)
he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my
valve
lash is too tight.

Appreciate your input..

Thx

Ty


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From riverside at southslope.net  Fri Apr 13 14:44:44 2012
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:44:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
In-Reply-To: <1334340502.67389.YahooMailNeo@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <7506d8d1.2b79b.136a996b82d.Webtop.46@charter.net>
	<1334340502.67389.YahooMailNeo@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0BF980A577524B4AAD70897984CF686A@rileyPC>

I bought some totally unusable  TR3 intake valves
back in 1970.  Never heard a good word.  I'd put that cam in a cam Dr. and 
have all lobes hardness checked
and if all is well still be scared stiff.

art de armond

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Munson
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 1:08 PM
To: Jeff Senty ; Joe Alexander
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO

I saw a flywheel for a TR6 made by them back in the early nineties that was
made from some sort of soft aluminum. The ring gear was loose (before it was
even installed on the car) and it was a loose fit on the crankshaft. I Told
the guy to send it back and find another source.
Mike

From: Jeff Senty
<gp89 at charter.net>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO

My experience
with them was less than poor. I had a Paeco built engine in my first Spit.
Lots of bad reviews.
Jeff Senty


On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Joe
Alexander wrote:

> A short review of PAECO website:
>
> Might be worth a
trip through it just for entertainment.
>
> They might have some interesting
stuff on the shelf, including some Titanium
> parts.
>
> There's a GT6
CRANKSHAFT sitting on the shelf at a seemingly good
> price...'internet
specia'l.
>
> Prices seem mostly high, but that might be just me.
>
> I
heard one very disastrous FOT engine story from several years ago, that was
>
simply wrong in all respects. But most of us have our own favorite engine
>
builders close by, anyway.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st
Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
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From mdporter at dfn.com  Fri Apr 13 19:27:12 2012
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:27:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
In-Reply-To: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>
References: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4F88D270.6050407@dfn.com>

On 4/11/2012 8:04 PM, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:
> My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014 intake/.016
> exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
> folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
> clearances may be a bit too tight.
>
> That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless (I
> don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this question)
> he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
> motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
> optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my valve
> lash is too tight.
>
>

I'm kind of surprised Larry Young hasn't weighed in on this one.  Here's 
his Tilden Tech page on valve lash:

http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tip_Lash.html

Larry does make a point about the difference between opening quickly and 
acceleration (i.e., the two are not equivalent).

As for lash hot/cold, it's a lot easier to get uniform settings doing it 
cold, if only because one has to move like the bejesus to get (in the 
case of a 6-cyl.) twelve valves adjusted while the engine's still hot, 
and there's always the worry that the engine will cool enough that some 
will end up being too loose. It's fine to /check/ them hot against the 
cold settings, and calculate the best cold setting.  As for any uniform 
rules, engine to engine, about them getting tighter or looser with 
temperature, or by how much, I doubt it.  When I was doing a lot of 
air-cooled VW engines, it occurred to me that a stock cold lash of 
0.006" didn't seem like much, given how hot the exhaust valves ran 
(thinking that the stems would grow quite a bit).  Not so.  The heads 
got a good deal taller, and the hot lash was ~ 0.016".  All-iron 
engines, on average, probably grow less, because the coefficient of 
expansion is ~ 1/4 that of aluminum.

Another tip on the lash is to have a really critical eye about the 
rocker noses. Even though they're hardened, they have a tendency to 
pound down after a while, and if there's even the slightest cupping, 
you'll find it nearly impossible to get the lash right with an ordinary 
shim stock gauge.

Cheers.


-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....

From rocky at spitfire4.com  Fri Apr 13 19:34:36 2012
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:34:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
References: <7506d8d1.2b79b.136a996b82d.Webtop.46@charter.net>
Message-ID: <EE9196C212534AADA147ED40D634C5D2@rocky>

Let's see. My PAECO Spitfire "full race" engine:

. Layers of oil-soaked dirt in the oil pan
. Wrong front plate (TR4 plate, which lacked the engine mounts)
. Burr in #1 lifter hole caused stuck lifter and broken cam immediately on 
trying to drive the car
. Engine sent back to PAECO for warranty fix, it was returned with the burr 
still there.
. Engine shipped back and returned at my expense, shipping an engine ain't 
cheap, PAECO refused to cover the cost
. PAECO shipped the engine back freight collect declaring weight to be 
double the actual, adding $200 to shipping cost.
. Valve springs -- all the inners and couple of outers broke within half a 
season of autocross.
. One valve spring bit got into the oil pump, breaking it.
. When compression ratio was checked by another mechanic, my "13:1" engine 
measured at 10.69:1.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Senty" <gp89 at charter.net>
To: "Joe Alexander" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO


> My experience with them was less than poor. I had a Paeco built engine in 
> my first Spit. Lots of bad reviews.
>  Jeff Senty
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Joe Alexander wrote:
>
>> A short review of PAECO website:
>>
>> Might be worth a trip through it just for entertainment.
>>
>> They might have some interesting stuff on the shelf, including some 
>> Titanium
>> parts.
>>
>> There's a GT6 CRANKSHAFT sitting on the shelf at a seemingly good
>> price...'internet specia'l.
>>
>> Prices seem mostly high, but that might be just me.
>>
>> I heard one very disastrous FOT engine story from several years ago, that 
>> was
>> simply wrong in all respects. But most of us have our own favorite engine
>> builders close by, anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe Alexander
>> A. R. E.
>> 645 1st Street
>> Jesup, Iowa 50648
>> 319.464.4711  (cell)
>> n197tr4 at cs.com
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From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 13 20:19:44 2012
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?dHlsZXJwdGhvbXBzb25AeWFob28uY29t?=)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:19:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Valve_Lash_While_Engine_is_Hot?=
Message-ID: <242651.32520.bm@smtp202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Thanks Michael.  Very informative. 

Ty. 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone

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From: "Michael Porter" <mdporter at dfn.com>
To: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:27 pm
On 4/11/2012 8:04 PM, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:

My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014 intake/.016
exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
clearances may be a bit too tight.

That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless (I
don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this question)
he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my valve
lash is too tight.






I'm kind of surprised Larry Young hasn't weighed in on this one. 
Here's his Tilden Tech page on valve lash:



http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tip_Lash.html



Larry does make a point about the difference between opening quickly
and acceleration (i.e., the two are not equivalent).



As for lash hot/cold, it's a lot easier to get uniform settings
doing it cold, if only because one has to move like the bejesus to
get (in the case of a 6-cyl.) twelve valves adjusted while the
engine's still hot, and there's always the worry that the engine
will cool enough that some will end up being too loose. It's fine to
check them hot against the cold settings, and calculate the
best cold setting.  As for any uniform rules, engine to engine,
about them getting tighter or looser with temperature, or by how
much, I doubt it.  When I was doing a lot of air-cooled VW engines,
it occurred to me that a stock cold lash of 0.006" didn't seem like
much, given how hot the exhaust valves ran (thinking that the stems
would grow quite a bit).  Not so.  The heads got a good deal taller,
and the hot lash was ~ 0.016".  All-iron engines, on average,
probably grow less, because the coefficient of expansion is ~ 1/4
that of aluminum.  



Another tip on the lash is to have a really critical eye about the
rocker noses. Even though they're hardened, they have a tendency to
pound down after a while, and if there's even the slightest cupping,
you'll find it nearly impossible to get the lash right with an
ordinary shim stock gauge.



Cheers.





-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....

From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 13 20:20:52 2012
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?dHlsZXJwdGhvbXBzb25AeWFob28uY29t?=)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:20:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?PAECO?=
Message-ID: <244078.76517.bm@smtp215.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I am going to get another cam!

Ty

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone

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From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: "Jeff Senty" <gp89 at charter.net>, "Joe Alexander" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:34 pm


Let's see. My PAECO Spitfire "full race" engine:

. Layers of oil-soaked dirt in the oil pan
. Wrong front plate (TR4 plate, which lacked the engine mounts)
. Burr in #1 lifter hole caused stuck lifter and broken cam immediately on 
trying to drive the car
. Engine sent back to PAECO for warranty fix, it was returned with the burr 
still there.
. Engine shipped back and returned at my expense, shipping an engine ain't 
cheap, PAECO refused to cover the cost
. PAECO shipped the engine back freight collect declaring weight to be 
double the actual, adding $200 to shipping cost.
. Valve springs -- all the inners and couple of outers broke within half a 
season of autocross.
. One valve spring bit got into the oil pump, breaking it.
. When compression ratio was checked by another mechanic, my "13:1" engine 
measured at 10.69:1.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Senty" <gp89 at charter.net>
To: "Joe Alexander" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO


> My experience with them was less than poor. I had a Paeco built engine in 
> my first Spit. Lots of bad reviews.
>  Jeff Senty
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Joe Alexander wrote:
>
>> A short review of PAECO website:
>>
>> Might be worth a trip through it just for entertainment.
>>
>> They might have some interesting stuff on the shelf, including some 
>> Titanium
>> parts.
>>
>> There's a GT6 CRANKSHAFT sitting on the shelf at a seemingly good
>> price...'internet specia'l.
>>
>> Prices seem mostly high, but that might be just me.
>>
>> I heard one very disastrous FOT engine story from several years ago, that 
>> was
>> simply wrong in all respects. But most of us have our own favorite engine
>> builders close by, anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe Alexander
>> A. R. E.
>> 645 1st Street
>> Jesup, Iowa 50648
>> 319.464.4711  (cell)
>> n197tr4 at cs.com
>> _______________________________________________
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Fri Apr 13 21:13:44 2012
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 22:13:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] VTR South Central Regional
Message-ID: <955E4D4B-4857-4767-9257-A868796FCFD9@aol.com>

Just a reminder that the 28th annual VTR South Central Regional is happening
on April 26-28 in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma.  For more information see our web
site at:
www.greencountrytriumphs.com
Or contact me.  Surely EVERYBODY isn't going to the Mitty!  And I mean VTR
reps too ;-)

From tedtsimx at bright.net  Sat Apr 14 09:05:27 2012
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 11:05:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirts
Message-ID: <4F899237.7030502@bright.net>

Hello list.  Thanks for a great response to the Kastner Cup shirts. We 
printed only the amount that were ordered - no extras. There have been 
some requests for additional shirts.  So, if there
is enough interest, we will do an additional print run of shirts. This 
is a one time only print run.  Due to the number we printed on the first 
run, we were able to keep the cost down. Shirt prices will be higher 
than previous run due to lower volume and set-up expense. We need a 
minimum 36 piece order to do another run.  Prices will be $15 Small - 
X-Large; $17 for XXL.  If we have eough orders to run 48 or more, price 
goes down by $1 per shirt.  Pictures of  shirt are attached.

There is a possiblity that we could have them done in time for pick at 
Road Atlanta.  A go/no go date for ordering is close of business this 
coming Wednesday, April 18.
Please call or email with your order. All contact information is on the 
signature line of this email.
Thanks for your time and support. Ted

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From REK46 at aol.com  Sat Apr 14 10:26:21 2012
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 12:26:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] stud size
Message-ID: <36fa.87e9aa4.3cbaff2d@aol.com>

what is thread size and length for the stock GT-6 or TR-6  headstuds?

From mnewman at embarqmail.com  Sat Apr 14 11:30:56 2012
From: mnewman at embarqmail.com (William T newman)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 13:30:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Hardtop
Message-ID: <679044226.1889396.1334424656370.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com>

I have a factory steel hardtop for a Spitfire MkIV or 1500 for sale. It has the original paint in red (no rust), all glass is intact and the headliner is in place with a few small tears. The top is in the Ft. Myers, Florida area, but I can bring it to the Mitty if anyone is serious about buying it. I will let it go for $400. Please contact me off list if interested.

Bill Newman
#44 GT6

From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Apr 14 12:09:47 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 12:09:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>

Edward Dunn wrote:
> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
> question that may have already been answered.
>
>

Yes.  When you click on the archive link in the emails, you should
get to the top level page.  It would be nice if it were set up so that
one could search multiple lists at a time, but that isn't currently
available.

You have to click on a list name, and the top level page for that
list should have a search box near the top.

And on a side note if you click on the ads displayed on the archive
pages a couple of pennies goes into Team.Net's coffers and costs
you nothing.  If a few hundred people out of the thousands on all
the lists did that every day, I could do away with the annual fund
drive.


mjb.

From goodparts at verizon.net  Sat Apr 14 12:51:36 2012
From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 14:51:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] stud size
In-Reply-To: <36fa.87e9aa4.3cbaff2d@aol.com>
References: <36fa.87e9aa4.3cbaff2d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5ABB87B2BCD44B26BF1C2F067AD0158A@AdminPC>

7/16-20 x 4.82"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <REK46 at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:26 PM
Subject: [Fot] stud size


> what is thread size and length for the stock GT-6 or TR-6  headstuds?
> _______________________________________________

From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Sat Apr 14 13:22:35 2012
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:22:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <7E83E769-0F7D-4741-AEC3-5E3640E1BD1E@aol.com>

I didn't realize that clicking the ads add some pennies to our coffers. 

Now I will go out of my way and try to do it as much as I can

Thank you

Chris

On Apr 14, 2012, at 2:09 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

> Edward Dunn wrote:
>> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
>> question that may have already been answered.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Yes.  When you click on the archive link in the emails, you should
> get to the top level page.  It would be nice if it were set up so that
> one could search multiple lists at a time, but that isn't currently
> available.
> 
> You have to click on a list name, and the top level page for that
> list should have a search box near the top.
> 
> And on a side note if you click on the ads displayed on the archive
> pages a couple of pennies goes into Team.Net's coffers and costs
> you nothing.  If a few hundred people out of the thousands on all
> the lists did that every day, I could do away with the annual fund
> drive.
> 
> 
> mjb.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> 
> http://www.fot-racing.com
> 
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/seacubeco at aol.com

From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Sat Apr 14 13:34:49 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 12:34:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

No ads on any screen I see.  Just gray on the right side...

Ed




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:10 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue

Edward Dunn wrote:
> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking
> a question that may have already been answered.
>
>

Yes.  When you click on the archive link in the emails, you should get to the
top level page.  It would be nice if it were set up so that one could search
multiple lists at a time, but that isn't currently available.

You have to click on a list name, and the top level page for that list should
have a search box near the top.

And on a side note if you click on the ads displayed on the archive pages a
couple of pennies goes into Team.Net's coffers and costs you nothing.  If a
few hundred people out of the thousands on all the lists did that every day, I
could do away with the annual fund drive.


mjb.
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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Unsubscribe:
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Apr 14 15:38:25 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 14:38:25 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local><4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
	<36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <079001cd1a86$ecbe0b70$0601a8c0@randall>

> No ads on any screen I see.  Just gray on the right side...

Ditto, even after disabling the ad-blocker plug-in.

-- Randall  

From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Apr 14 18:08:05 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:08:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
	<36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>

When you go to http://www.team.net/archive/fot you should see
something like http://www.team.net/images/archive_page.png

Is this not happening for some folks?

mjb.

From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Apr 14 18:29:24 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 19:29:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
In-Reply-To: <4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
	<36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1334449747.21478.fot@autox.team.net>

I have a Moss ad when I go there...  (Using IE 8)

Tony

At 07:08 PM 4/14/2012, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
>When you go to http://www.team.net/archive/fot you should see
>something like http://www.team.net/images/archive_page.png
>
>Is this not happening for some folks?
>
>mjb.

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Apr 14 18:48:01 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:48:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
In-Reply-To: <4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local><4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <8CEE8B88B2275E2-1D38-3341@webmail-m138.sysops.aol.com>

 i got a VISTAPRINT ad



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: FoT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Apr 14, 2012 7:06 pm
Subject: [Fot] Archives?


When you go to http://www.team.net/archive/fot you should see
something like http://www.team.net/images/archive_page.png

Is this not happening for some folks?

mjb.
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

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Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Sat Apr 14 19:19:24 2012
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:19:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
In-Reply-To: <8CEE8B88B2275E2-1D38-3341@webmail-m138.sysops.aol.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local><4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local><4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
	<8CEE8B88B2275E2-1D38-3341@webmail-m138.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CEE8BCED29842B-2074-1376E@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com>

 I got a UTI Nascar Ad



Bob T





-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: mark <mark at bradakis.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Apr 14, 2012 8:53 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Archives?


 i got a VISTAPRINT ad







Joe Alexander

A. R. E.

645 1st Street

Jesup, Iowa 50648

319.464.4711  (cell)

n197tr4 at cs.com











-----Original Message-----

From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>

To: FoT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>

Sent: Sat, Apr 14, 2012 7:06 pm

Subject: [Fot] Archives?





When you go to http://www.team.net/archive/fot you should see

something like http://www.team.net/images/archive_page.png



Is this not happening for some folks?



mjb.

_______________________________________________

fot at autox.team.net



http://www.fot-racing.com



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_______________________________________________

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Apr 14 22:01:34 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:01:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
In-Reply-To: <8CEE8BCED29842B-2074-1376E@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local><4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local><4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
	<8CEE8B88B2275E2-1D38-3341@webmail-m138.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CEE8BCED29842B-2074-1376E@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4F8A481E.6060108@bradakis.com>

Sounds like folks are getting the right stuff for the most part, except
for those who's settings are having an effect at there end.

I'm bummed about missing the Mitty.

mjb.

From rjl at gt-classics.com  Sun Apr 15 03:28:03 2012
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 05:28:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
In-Reply-To: <4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
	<36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4F8A94A3.7010004@gt-classics.com>

I don't get an image, but I do get links to three ads.

I'm using Firefox 11.0

John

On 4/14/2012 8:08 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> When you go to http://www.team.net/archive/fot you should see
> something like http://www.team.net/images/archive_page.png
>
> Is this not happening for some folks?
>
> mjb.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com
>
>
>
>

-- 
Thanks,
R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net

From BillDentin at aol.com  Sun Apr 15 11:45:25 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:45:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Parts need (for the MITTY)...
Message-ID: <57a7.41fdd394.3cbc6335@aol.com>

Amici...

In order to run the MITTY...I need to find an early GIRLING B LEFT HAND 
FRONT BRAKE CALIPER (the casting, I have all of the other necessary 
components).  The seat in mine for the bleed nipple is finally compromised.   It will 
no longer seat the bleed nipple.  I am still running the original rotors and 
calipers on a fifty-five year old race car (the warranty has probably 
expired). 

In the MOSS catalogue this is the one piece, Exhibit A on their TR2-4 Brake 
page.  Does someone have one (useable) they would sell and ship to me ASAP?

Bill Dentinger

From tedtsimx at bright.net  Sun Apr 15 12:48:35 2012
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 14:48:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kasatner Cup t.shirt
Message-ID: <4F8B1803.4000103@bright.net>

Hello lists, again. We sent out an email about doing another run of 
Kastner Cup t.shirts.  The email lists strip photos from emails so a 
friend was good enough to post the pictures on his personal web site. A 
link to the pictures is attached along with a copy of our original 
email. Thanks for your time and  indulgence. Ted

http://littlebluespitfire.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=6612

Hello lists. Triumph is the featured marque at the upcoming Walter Mitty
vintage races at Road Atlanta. This event is also featuring a special
all Triumph race and the Grand Marshall is "Kas"Kastner. Kas was the
founder and head of the US Triumph Competition Department.  He wrote the
Competition Preparation manuals that served as the bible for generations
of Triumph racers.   "FOT", group of TR racers, along with Kas started
the Kastner Cup award 10 years ago. Awarded by Kas and to his own
personal criteria, this is a prestigious honor for any TR racer.
We did a production run Kastner Cup T.shirts for the FOT group. The
response has been excellent and another, small run of shirts is being
considered.  Some of the proceeds go to FOT to fund things like helping
with travel expense for honored guests, promoting FOT event involvement
and more.



So, if there is enough interest, we will do an additional print run of
shirts. This is a one time only print run.  Due to the number we printed
on the first run, we were able to keep the cost down. Shirt prices will
be higher than previous run due to lower volume and set-up expense. We
need a minimum 36 piece order to do another run.  Prices will be $15 for
Small - X-Large; $17 for XXL.  If we have eough orders to run 48 or
more, price goes down by $1 per shirt.  Pictures of  shirt are attached.
If the images ares stripped, plesae email me and we will send directly
to you.


There is a possibility that we could have them done in time for pick at
Road Atlanta.  A go/no go date for ordering is close of business this
coming Wednesday, April 18. Please call or email with your order.
All contact information is on the signature line of this email.

Thanks for your time and support. Ted




Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. 
Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022

From horizonracing at msn.com  Sun Apr 15 13:38:06 2012
From: horizonracing at msn.com (horizonracing at msn.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 12:38:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Parts need (for the MITTY)...
In-Reply-To: <57a7.41fdd394.3cbc6335@aol.com>
References: <57a7.41fdd394.3cbc6335@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP116BF79CE0DFDBE0B72431AB2390@phx.gbl>

That can be repaired. There is availble, a 1/8 npt fitting with a bleeder. 
Good luck
TG

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

-----Original message-----
From: BillDentin at aol.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, Apr 15, 2012 10:45:25 PDT
Subject: [Fot] Parts need (for the MITTY)...

Amici...

In order to run the MITTY...I need to find an early GIRLING B LEFT HAND 
FRONT BRAKE CALIPER (the casting, I have all of the other necessary 
components).  The seat in mine for the bleed nipple is finally compromised.   
 It will 
no longer seat the bleed nipple.  I am still running the original rotors and  

calipers on a fifty-five year old race car (the warranty has probably 
expired). 

In the MOSS catalogue this is the one piece, Exhibit A on their TR2-4 Brake 
page.  Does someone have one (useable) they would sell and ship to me ASAP?

Bill Dentinger
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Sun Apr 15 15:03:16 2012
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:03:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local><4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <993407804BC049A698E0601B606FDB10@rocky>

I got a download button for an mplayer. Using IE8. The status bar at the 
bottom says the link is to googleads.g.doubleclick.net/ with a bunch of 
garble code after the backslash.

But below that was the search capability for team.net fot archives.

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
To: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 7:08 PM
Subject: [Fot] Archives?


> When you go to http://www.team.net/archive/fot you should see
> something like http://www.team.net/images/archive_page.png
>
> Is this not happening for some folks?
>
> mjb.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com

From billdentin at aol.com  Sun Apr 15 17:23:17 2012
From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:23:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Early TR3 Brake Caliper...
Message-ID: <8CEE975DF97DEE9-1A0C-1BE9A@webmail-m040.sysops.aol.com>

Amici...

Thanks to all who stepped forward with ideas and offers.  Bob Kramer has a set
of early TR3 brake calipers he will ship to me tomorrow.

Glen Efinger (and several others) also recommended a 'common fix' that is
available, involving a hollow bolt, with a seat that receives a bleeder
nipple.  That should work too, and PEGASUS (a couple of miles from my house)
has them in their catalog.

Thanks again, to one and all.

Bill Dentinger

From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Apr 16 09:19:35 2012
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:19:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
In-Reply-To: <4F88D270.6050407@dfn.com>
References: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>
	<4F88D270.6050407@dfn.com>
Message-ID: <4F8C3887.5040604@pobox.com>

 From some of these discussions, it seems that people think all cams 
have the same ramp design, which is not true.  We just recently had a 
discussion that the valve should open and close at the point where the 
lift curve starts to take off (see link below).   You can make small 
variations from this for tuning purposes, but you have to be careful.  I 
once ran too much lash on a very aggressive cam.  It ran like a demon, 
but not for long.  The result was a broken rocker shaft and 5 bent 
pushrods.  As for hot or cold settings.  I have not done any systematic 
measurements, but have not found a big difference for our engines.
Larry


On 4/13/2012 8:27 PM, Michael Porter wrote:

I'm kind of surprised Larry Young hasn't weighed in on this one.  Here's
his Tilden Tech page on valve lash:

http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tip_Lash.html

From craigl at leinickegroup.com  Mon Apr 16 14:47:21 2012
From: craigl at leinickegroup.com (Craig Leinicke)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:47:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7 on the DYNO
Message-ID: <CBB1EF89.C50A%craigl@leinickegroup.com>

Here is a brief video I put together of our best pull on the dyno.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, the car made 108.2 hp at the rear wheels
at 5,400rpm and 120 ft lbs torque at just over 3,750 rpm.
While everyone else is preparing for the Mitty, we are getting ready to run
the inaugural East Coast Timing Association Event at Wilmington, Ohio, April
28-29. This is by far the happiest set of 8 valves and 4 pistons I've ever
had.

http://youtu.be/RA69tYB6efQ

Best of luck to all at the Mitty.
Craig
Flashback Racing

From markvaden at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 16:40:50 2012
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:40:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wheels
Message-ID: <CAExoegkE3gJtJewjeFuw+oe28Yh+Zzk8eEJpNXOvG24Z5SaMEA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has a spare set of wheels they would like to
sell. I am looking for panasports or something equivalent for my racing
TR4A.

Also I have some 70s era mag wheels - I have heard that you can have these
checked to see if they are safe to race? Is this true? And if so does
anyone know of a place in socal that could do this?

-Mark

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Apr 17 17:06:51 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:06:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wheels
In-Reply-To: <CAExoegkE3gJtJewjeFuw+oe28Yh+Zzk8eEJpNXOvG24Z5SaMEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAExoegkE3gJtJewjeFuw+oe28Yh+Zzk8eEJpNXOvG24Z5SaMEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5DC07E5A-F17D-4B5C-A46D-94BCE4AC643B@austin.rr.com>

Mark
I'd sell you a set of 15x6 Superlites, (look like Panssports) because I have
my eye on the new Silverstone replica wheels being sold on Ebay. Have you seen
them?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2012, at 5:40 PM, Mark Vaden <markvaden at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has a spare set of wheels they would like to
> sell. I am looking for panasports or something equivalent for my racing
> TR4A.
>
> Also I have some 70s era mag wheels - I have heard that you can have these
> checked to see if they are safe to race? Is this true? And if so does
> anyone know of a place in socal that could do this?
>
> -Mark
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From craigl at leinickegroup.com  Tue Apr 17 17:15:17 2012
From: craigl at leinickegroup.com (Craig Leinicke)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:15:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wheels
In-Reply-To: <CAExoegkE3gJtJewjeFuw+oe28Yh+Zzk8eEJpNXOvG24Z5SaMEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAExoegkE3gJtJewjeFuw+oe28Yh+Zzk8eEJpNXOvG24Z5SaMEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F6C6BCFD-36CC-4EE8-9A81-A056785CB9AF@leinickegroup.com>

Hello Mark and Group.
I was going to offer the group a vintage 1984 set of 4 Comp Motive 3 piece
wheels for TR6 (TR4 etc) wheels were purchased had tires mounted but never
used. We have just reconditioned them including powder coating all 80 cap
screws. Wheels were recently sealed also. These come with a new set of 4 outer
pieces which create a narrower wheel. Price for everything $1,200 plus
shipping. Also vintage new Triumph center caps included.
Craig
FlashbackRacing
Wheels are in St. Louis
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2012, at 5:40 PM, Mark Vaden <markvaden at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has a spare set of wheels they would like to
> sell. I am looking for panasports or something equivalent for my racing
> TR4A.
>
> Also I have some 70s era mag wheels - I have heard that you can have these
> checked to see if they are safe to race? Is this true? And if so does
> anyone know of a place in socal that could do this?
>
> -Mark
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Tue Apr 17 19:21:12 2012
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:21:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Wheels
In-Reply-To: <CAExoegkE3gJtJewjeFuw+oe28Yh+Zzk8eEJpNXOvG24Z5SaMEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAExoegkE3gJtJewjeFuw+oe28Yh+Zzk8eEJpNXOvG24Z5SaMEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F8E1708.8040308@cfl.rr.com>

Mark,

I have a set of VTO Superlites 15x6 (Panasport and Minilite look alikes) 
unmounted new in the box. I was going to use them on my 1957 Sebring TR3 
but am searching for a more period correct set of wheels. Any interest 
at $180 each? I'm in Florida and will be at the Mitty.

Bob

On 4/17/12 6:40 PM, Mark Vaden wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has a spare set of wheels they would like to
> sell. I am looking for panasports or something equivalent for my racing
> TR4A.
>
> Also I have some 70s era mag wheels - I have heard that you can have these
> checked to see if they are safe to race? Is this true? And if so does
> anyone know of a place in socal that could do this?
>
> -Mark
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Apr 18 07:06:06 2012
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 08:06:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8C52@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Since we built my Spitfire in 2003, I've been using the stock clutch and
pressure plate.  Late last season, Mr. Barker did a head for me.   Since
then, I've had a little clutch slip.  This is a pretty new clutch plate,
but the pressure plate is of unknown age - has worked fine to date, but
everything wears out eventually, right?



Any thoughts on the cause?  Is it likely the increased torque/HP is just
overpowering the clutch?  The new motor should be putting out something
like 110-115HP, based on Mr. Barker's estimate.  Is that beyond what the
stock clutch can handle?



Options: (1) buy a new stock pressure plate and clutch disk and see how
it goes; (2) upgrade to some sort of competition clutch; or (3) get used
to that nasty clutch smell.  Other options I'm not considering?



I'd like to stay as close to stock as possible if I need to upgrade.



Any thoughts on upgrade options?



Scott B.

From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 18 10:33:44 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:33:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8C52@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8C52@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <437B5721-74CC-468D-82F4-11A86961D7A8@gmail.com>

Hi Scott,

The pressure plate springs can lose tension over time.  The situation with our
'71 Morgan Plus 8 was similar to yours -- an unknown vintage pressure plate
with a fairly new friction plate, but I was getting noticeable clutch slip in
3rd gear, even though the engine was worn and wheezy at the time.

Duncan
(Texas)
1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red


On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> Since we built my Spitfire in 2003, I've been using the stock clutch and
> pressure plate.  Late last season, Mr. Barker did a head for me.   Since
> then, I've had a little clutch slip.  This is a pretty new clutch plate,
> but the pressure plate is of unknown age - has worked fine to date, but
> everything wears out eventually, right?
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on the cause?  Is it likely the increased torque/HP is just
> overpowering the clutch?  The new motor should be putting out something
> like 110-115HP, based on Mr. Barker's estimate.  Is that beyond what the
> stock clutch can handle?
>
>
>
> Options: (1) buy a new stock pressure plate and clutch disk and see how
> it goes; (2) upgrade to some sort of competition clutch; or (3) get used
> to that nasty clutch smell.  Other options I'm not considering?
>
>
>
> I'd like to stay as close to stock as possible if I need to upgrade.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on upgrade options?
>
>
>
> Scott B.

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Apr 18 10:36:15 2012
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:36:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <437B5721-74CC-468D-82F4-11A86961D7A8@gmail.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8C52@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<437B5721-74CC-468D-82F4-11A86961D7A8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8C6E@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Thanks, Duncan.  That's what I'm hoping is going on, since I'd like to
retain the stock clutch set-up (or stock-ish, possibly).  I've gotten a
number of responses off-line with that suggestion.

Since that's the answer I like, I'm fairly sure they must be correct :-)

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:34 AM
To: Barr, Scott
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?

Hi Scott,

The pressure plate springs can lose tension over time.  The situation
with our '71 Morgan Plus 8 was similar to yours -- an unknown vintage
pressure plate with a fairly new friction plate, but I was getting
noticeable clutch slip in 3rd gear, even though the engine was worn and
wheezy at the time.

Duncan
(Texas)
1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red


On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> Since we built my Spitfire in 2003, I've been using the stock clutch
and
> pressure plate.  Late last season, Mr. Barker did a head for me.
Since
> then, I've had a little clutch slip.  This is a pretty new clutch
> plate, but the pressure plate is of unknown age - has worked fine to
> date, but everything wears out eventually, right?
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on the cause?  Is it likely the increased torque/HP is
> just overpowering the clutch?  The new motor should be putting out
> something like 110-115HP, based on Mr. Barker's estimate.  Is that
> beyond what the stock clutch can handle?
>
>
>
> Options: (1) buy a new stock pressure plate and clutch disk and see
> how it goes; (2) upgrade to some sort of competition clutch; or (3)
> get used to that nasty clutch smell.  Other options I'm not
considering?
>
>
>
> I'd like to stay as close to stock as possible if I need to upgrade.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on upgrade options?
>
>
>
> Scott B.

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Apr 18 12:55:24 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:55:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Jack Wheeler    A  MITTY/KASTNER CUP HONORED GUEST
Message-ID: <8CEEBABF2A34C1A-1234-30E36@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>

 I heard from SCCA CHAMP JACK WHEELER this week. He is going to try very hard
to make it to the KASTNER CUP, in spite of some medical issues.

He would like to stay at the host hotel, but it is full. If there are any
cancellations, perhaps we can transfer the reservation to Jack.  Please let me
know.

Thanks



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From rocky at spitfire4.com  Wed Apr 18 14:29:31 2012
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:29:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8C52@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <94F31164CDDD4C40B441873BF9D3B041@rocky>

For years I used a stock Spitfire clutch. After I began to upgrade the 
engine, the clutch seemed more stressed, including a couple of clutch disk 
failures -- shedding the facing material entirely and even twisting the 
center right out of the disk (which I did more than once). Obviously 
slipping was not the problem, but other forces were.

An easy fix turned out to be competition clutch disks that were solid in the 
center (not slotted, no springs). The only "problem" was learning to slip 
the clutch intentionally as it would grab immediately -- if revs weren't up 
it'd stall and kill the engine. Tricky driving it back on the trailer, for 
example, but eventually I learned how (or it would wear in enough to become 
easier).

--Rocky Entriken


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:06 AM
Subject: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?


> Since we built my Spitfire in 2003, I've been using the stock clutch and
> pressure plate.  Late last season, Mr. Barker did a head for me.   Since
> then, I've had a little clutch slip.  This is a pretty new clutch plate,
> but the pressure plate is of unknown age - has worked fine to date, but
> everything wears out eventually, right?
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on the cause?  Is it likely the increased torque/HP is just
> overpowering the clutch?  The new motor should be putting out something
> like 110-115HP, based on Mr. Barker's estimate.  Is that beyond what the
> stock clutch can handle?
>
>
>
> Options: (1) buy a new stock pressure plate and clutch disk and see how
> it goes; (2) upgrade to some sort of competition clutch; or (3) get used
> to that nasty clutch smell.  Other options I'm not considering?
>
>
>
> I'd like to stay as close to stock as possible if I need to upgrade.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on upgrade options?
>
>
>
> Scott B.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr 18 20:44:17 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:44:17 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
In-Reply-To: <4F8F317C.3040508@blacksburg.net>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
	<36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com> <4F8F317C.3040508@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <4F8F7C01.3030904@bradakis.com>

This was part of a message sent to me regarding the Team.Net archives:

 > Works fine for me w/IE8 and Firefox, but the archives are way out of 
date;
 > we're losing good info forever, every day. :-(


The info is not lost.  It is being stored on the server.  What is not 
happening
is that the programs that process the daily mails and format and index for
the archive are not playing well together on the new server.

When I do get it all working properly again all the missing mail will be fed
into the process and become available, don't panic.

mjb.

From chasgee at aol.com  Thu Apr 19 02:36:12 2012
From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 04:36:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <8CEEC1E9C5DF388-1210-57B6@webmail-d155.sysops.aol.com>

Work From Home 0pportunities
http://myshelf.in/httpso701kz.php?wyxpageID=53

            Thu, 19 Apr 2012 9:36:12
______________
"  Always" (c) brittony aethelisdun

From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr 19 16:58:31 2012
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:58:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Road to Atlanta
Message-ID: <1334876311.86781.YahooMailRC@web181310.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

A  M  I  C  I

The final leg of my trip to Road Atlanta will be from Knoxville
Tennessee.
Does anyone have a good route that is more direct and less
frantic than the 
interstate?
...maybe through the Gainesville area.
Remember
I am pulling a trailer.

Thanks
Dennis DeLap

From walt at hot-tr6.com  Thu Apr 19 17:56:16 2012
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:56:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <94F31164CDDD4C40B441873BF9D3B041@rocky>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8C52@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<94F31164CDDD4C40B441873BF9D3B041@rocky>
Message-ID: <000001cd1e88$030cf9e0$0926eda0$@hot-tr6.com>

I like having my clutch disc (including new ones) recovered with Kevlar.
Drag racers use this material and I find it hooks up fast and wears like
iron. I use it on my TR6 vintage racecar and I like it. It cost about $100
per application.
Walt Hollowell
Albuquerque, New Mexico

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Rocky Entriken
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:30 PM
To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?

For years I used a stock Spitfire clutch. After I began to upgrade the
engine, the clutch seemed more stressed, including a couple of clutch disk
failures -- shedding the facing material entirely and even twisting the
center right out of the disk (which I did more than once). Obviously
slipping was not the problem, but other forces were.

An easy fix turned out to be competition clutch disks that were solid in the
center (not slotted, no springs). The only "problem" was learning to slip
the clutch intentionally as it would grab immediately -- if revs weren't up
it'd stall and kill the engine. Tricky driving it back on the trailer, for
example, but eventually I learned how (or it would wear in enough to become
easier).

--Rocky Entriken


----- Original Message -----
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:06 AM
Subject: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?


> Since we built my Spitfire in 2003, I've been using the stock clutch and
> pressure plate.  Late last season, Mr. Barker did a head for me.   Since
> then, I've had a little clutch slip.  This is a pretty new clutch plate,
> but the pressure plate is of unknown age - has worked fine to date, but
> everything wears out eventually, right?
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on the cause?  Is it likely the increased torque/HP is just
> overpowering the clutch?  The new motor should be putting out something
> like 110-115HP, based on Mr. Barker's estimate.  Is that beyond what the
> stock clutch can handle?
>
>
>
> Options: (1) buy a new stock pressure plate and clutch disk and see how
> it goes; (2) upgrade to some sort of competition clutch; or (3) get used
> to that nasty clutch smell.  Other options I'm not considering?
>
>
>
> I'd like to stay as close to stock as possible if I need to upgrade.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on upgrade options?
>
>
>
> Scott B.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 19 19:25:46 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:25:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
Message-ID: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>

Just finishing up the final touches of a 7 month restoration of the Spitfire
getting ready to head South next week. Down to the point of adjusting hood
stops and stupid stuff like that. Ok, now the hard stuff. I THINK I JUST BLEW
THE ENGINE TONIGHT #$^%&!!.  Actually had it running in the driveway and it
was sounding fan frickin tastic, Playing with the carbs, timing, checking for
leaks, all is right with the world. Backed it in the garage and blipped the
throttle one more time and WIDE OPEN THROTTLE! Frantically stomped the gas one
time to see if it would free up. I know that is not what I should have done
first but in the spur of the moment that is what the brain told my body to do.
Next reached up and killed the ignition.  Probably only ran for a second,
possibly two max but it seamed like an eternity. When I killed the engine
"something" continued to freewheel for about 3 to 5 seconds making metal
rubbing sounds. After gaining my composure I put a wrench on the crank and it
appeared to turn free, no out of the ordinary feeling. So I guess I start
tearing into it after work tomorrow. Any idea what could have been
freewheeling after the engine stopped? At least from the drivers seat I think
the engine stopped, I would not thing the entire assembly could have kept
spinning that long do you?  Oh, the cause, I did not have the transmission
tunnel cover attached, just sitting there in the car so when I blipped the
throttle the stop under the gas peddle hooked itself under the lip of the
cover. Note to self, don't ever do that again. Marty

From cwnfot at gmail.com  Thu Apr 19 19:48:46 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:48:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <013f01cd1e97$ba5d63f0$2f182bd0$@com>

Snapped the crank at rear main bearing and the flywheel played on...?

Restored? You mean no more NARRC stickers?
I can get you some if you need them...

Shirts look great! Thanks!


Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
"Reality, it's not what you think."

From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Apr 19 20:00:40 2012
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:00:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJ1+nOTFEuouerZKYWYr4u1assHswwXbqMYsgjeGaWj2YTwO1Q@mail.gmail.com>

With a bit of luck it's nothing catastrophic. Maybe belt broke and it was
the water pump...Or just your overactive imagination...

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:25 PM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Just finishing up the final touches of a 7 month restoration of the
> Spitfire
> getting ready to head South next week. Down to the point of adjusting hood
> stops and stupid stuff like that. Ok, now the hard stuff. I THINK I JUST
> BLEW
> THE ENGINE TONIGHT #$^%&!!.  Actually had it running in the driveway and it
> was sounding fan frickin tastic, Playing with the carbs, timing, checking
> for
> leaks, all is right with the world. Backed it in the garage and blipped the
> throttle one more time and WIDE OPEN THROTTLE! Frantically stomped the gas
> one
> time to see if it would free up. I know that is not what I should have done
> first but in the spur of the moment that is what the brain told my body to
> do.
> Next reached up and killed the ignition.  Probably only ran for a second,
> possibly two max but it seamed like an eternity. When I killed the engine
> "something" continued to freewheel for about 3 to 5 seconds making metal
> rubbing sounds. After gaining my composure I put a wrench on the crank and
> it
> appeared to turn free, no out of the ordinary feeling. So I guess I start
> tearing into it after work tomorrow. Any idea what could have been
> freewheeling after the engine stopped? At least from the drivers seat I
> think
> the engine stopped, I would not thing the entire assembly could have kept
> spinning that long do you?  Oh, the cause, I did not have the transmission
> tunnel cover attached, just sitting there in the car so when I blipped the
> throttle the stop under the gas peddle hooked itself under the lip of the
> cover. Note to self, don't ever do that again. Marty
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Thu Apr 19 20:11:42 2012
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:11:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1+nOTFEuouerZKYWYr4u1assHswwXbqMYsgjeGaWj2YTwO1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
	<CAJ1+nOTFEuouerZKYWYr4u1assHswwXbqMYsgjeGaWj2YTwO1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CEECB20FCD62DD-1CF8-51854@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>

 Marty,

Did you at least try cranking it over by key ?  Nothing visibly out of place
while under the bonnet ?

Best wishes,
Bob Totten


PS  by the way it looks like I may not have my car for the Mitty ( block still
at the machinist ), so thinking I may not go.






-----Original Message-----
From: robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>
To: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2012 10:04 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost


With a bit of luck it's nothing catastrophic. Maybe belt broke and it was

the water pump...Or just your overactive imagination...



On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:25 PM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:



> Just finishing up the final touches of a 7 month restoration of the

> Spitfire

> getting ready to head South next week. Down to the point of adjusting hood

> stops and stupid stuff like that. Ok, now the hard stuff. I THINK I JUST

> BLEW

> THE ENGINE TONIGHT #$^%&!!.  Actually had it running in the driveway and it

> was sounding fan frickin tastic, Playing with the carbs, timing, checking

> for

> leaks, all is right with the world. Backed it in the garage and blipped the

> throttle one more time and WIDE OPEN THROTTLE! Frantically stomped the gas

> one

> time to see if it would free up. I know that is not what I should have done

> first but in the spur of the moment that is what the brain told my body to

> do.

> Next reached up and killed the ignition.  Probably only ran for a second,

> possibly two max but it seamed like an eternity. When I killed the engine

> "something" continued to freewheel for about 3 to 5 seconds making metal

> rubbing sounds. After gaining my composure I put a wrench on the crank and

> it

> appeared to turn free, no out of the ordinary feeling. So I guess I start

> tearing into it after work tomorrow. Any idea what could have been

> freewheeling after the engine stopped? At least from the drivers seat I

> think

> the engine stopped, I would not thing the entire assembly could have kept

> spinning that long do you?  Oh, the cause, I did not have the transmission

> tunnel cover attached, just sitting there in the car so when I blipped the

> throttle the stop under the gas peddle hooked itself under the lip of the

> cover. Note to self, don't ever do that again. Marty

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From horizonracing at msn.com  Thu Apr 19 20:16:37 2012
From: horizonracing at msn.com (horizonracing at msn.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:16:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1+nOTFEuouerZKYWYr4u1assHswwXbqMYsgjeGaWj2YTwO1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
	<CAJ1+nOTFEuouerZKYWYr4u1assHswwXbqMYsgjeGaWj2YTwO1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP2021BF712CCAF0C45E00D28B2220@phx.gbl>

Clutch release brg ?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

-----Original message-----
From: robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>
To: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2012 20:00:40 MDT
Subject: Re: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost

With a bit of luck it's nothing catastrophic. Maybe belt broke and it was
the water pump...Or just your overactive imagination...

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:25 PM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Just finishing up the final touches of a 7 month restoration of the
> Spitfire
> getting ready to head South next week. Down to the point of adjusting hood
> stops and stupid stuff like that. Ok, now the hard stuff. I THINK I JUST
> BLEW
> THE ENGINE TONIGHT #$^%&!!.  Actually had it running in the driveway and  
it
> was sounding fan frickin tastic, Playing with the carbs, timing, checking
> for
> leaks, all is right with the world. Backed it in the garage and blipped  
the
> throttle one more time and WIDE OPEN THROTTLE! Frantically stomped the gas
> one
> time to see if it would free up. I know that is not what I should have  
done
> first but in the spur of the moment that is what the brain told my body to
> do.
> Next reached up and killed the ignition.  Probably only ran for a second,
> possibly two max but it seamed like an eternity. When I killed the engine
> "something" continued to freewheel for about 3 to 5 seconds making metal
> rubbing sounds. After gaining my composure I put a wrench on the crank and
> it
> appeared to turn free, no out of the ordinary feeling. So I guess I start
> tearing into it after work tomorrow. Any idea what could have been
> freewheeling after the engine stopped? At least from the drivers seat I
> think
> the engine stopped, I would not thing the entire assembly could have kept
> spinning that long do you?  Oh, the cause, I did not have the transmission
> tunnel cover attached, just sitting there in the car so when I blipped the
> throttle the stop under the gas peddle hooked itself under the lip of the
> cover. Note to self, don't ever do that again. Marty
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 19 21:06:11 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 23:06:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <013f01cd1e97$ba5d63f0$2f182bd0$@com>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>,
	<013f01cd1e97$ba5d63f0$2f182bd0$@com>
Message-ID: <BLU168-W113E840816EE9174ACF8EEDBA220@phx.gbl>

Update:  Pulled the valve cover and cranked the engine over with a wrench.
Valve train appears intact. Pulled the oil pan and again rotated things around
with a wrench and crank and connecting rods all look in one piece. Could the
flywheel bolts have broke?  I guess we will pull the transmission tomorrow
night and see what things look like back there.  Then possibly pull the head?
It did throw the fan belt and the water pump would have been spinning but when
i turn the water pump by hand I don't hear any noises. And that rotating noise
I describe in my earlier email was loud enough that my wife heard it in the
house (windows open) which is about 30 feet from my shop.  ah, tomorrow is
another day. And saturday and Sunday and........ Marty
 > From: cwnfot at gmail.com
> To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:48:46 -0400
>
> Snapped the crank at rear main bearing and the flywheel played on...?
>
> Restored? You mean no more NARRC stickers?
> I can get you some if you need them...
>
> Shirts look great! Thanks!
>
>
> Clark
> Clark W. Nicholls
> 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U)
> and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
> "Reality, it's not what you think."

From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Apr 19 21:24:31 2012
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 23:24:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W113E840816EE9174ACF8EEDBA220@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
	<013f01cd1e97$ba5d63f0$2f182bd0$@com>
	<BLU168-W113E840816EE9174ACF8EEDBA220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJ1+nOQxkyddQkCYzroRHwYacBVUpsP-YaOfmCZeYyOhqDxD=A@mail.gmail.com>

Hmmm. Let's hope for a clutch bearing. Crank would be a pain.



On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:06 PM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Update:  Pulled the valve cover and cranked the engine over with a wrench.
> Valve train appears intact. Pulled the oil pan and again rotated things
> around
> with a wrench and crank and connecting rods all look in one piece. Could
> the
> flywheel bolts have broke?  I guess we will pull the transmission tomorrow
> night and see what things look like back there.  Then possibly pull the
> head?
> It did throw the fan belt and the water pump would have been spinning but
> when
> i turn the water pump by hand I don't hear any noises. And that rotating
> noise
> I describe in my earlier email was loud enough that my wife heard it in the
> house (windows open) which is about 30 feet from my shop.  ah, tomorrow is
> another day. And saturday and Sunday and........ Marty
>  > From: cwnfot at gmail.com
> > To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject: RE: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
> > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:48:46 -0400
> >
> > Snapped the crank at rear main bearing and the flywheel played on...?
> >
> > Restored? You mean no more NARRC stickers?
> > I can get you some if you need them...
> >
> > Shirts look great! Thanks!
> >
> >
> > Clark
> > Clark W. Nicholls
> > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U)
> > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
> > "Reality, it's not what you think."
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Apr 19 21:45:38 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:45:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W113E840816EE9174ACF8EEDBA220@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
	<013f01cd1e97$ba5d63f0$2f182bd0$@com>
	<BLU168-W113E840816EE9174ACF8EEDBA220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <mailman.5.1334893520.21478.fot@autox.team.net>

What happens when you hit the starter button?  If the flywheel bolts 
sheared, it shouldn't do much...

Tony

At 10:06 PM 4/19/2012, marty sukey wrote:
>Update:  Pulled the valve cover and cranked the engine over with a wrench.
>Valve train appears intact. Pulled the oil pan and again rotated things around
>with a wrench and crank and connecting rods all look in one piece. Could the
>flywheel bolts have broke?  I guess we will pull the transmission tomorrow
>night and see what things look like back there.  Then possibly pull the head?
>It did throw the fan belt and the water pump would have been spinning but when
>i turn the water pump by hand I don't hear any noises. And that rotating noise
>I describe in my earlier email was loud enough that my wife heard it in the
>house (windows open) which is about 30 feet from my shop.  ah, tomorrow is
>another day. And saturday and Sunday and........ Marty
>  > From: cwnfot at gmail.com
> > To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject: RE: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
> > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:48:46 -0400
> >
> > Snapped the crank at rear main bearing and the flywheel played on...?
> >
> > Restored? You mean no more NARRC stickers?
> > I can get you some if you need them...
> >
> > Shirts look great! Thanks!
> >
> >
> > Clark
> > Clark W. Nicholls
> > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U)
> > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
> > "Reality, it's not what you think."
>_______________________________________________
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>
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Thu Apr 19 22:18:34 2012
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (jsiam1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:18:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <86cbc399-cf8d-4f74-83cf-33e9f7d4d169@blur>

My vote is for the ring gear.

Chequered Flag Joseph P Siam 

-----Original message-----
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2012 18:25:46 PDT
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost

Just finishing up the final touches of a 7 month restoration of the Spitfire
getting ready to head South next week. Down to the point of adjusting hood
stops and stupid stuff like that. Ok, now the hard stuff. I THINK I JUST  
BLEW
THE ENGINE TONIGHT #$^%&!!.  Actually had it running in the driveway and it
was sounding fan frickin tastic, Playing with the carbs, timing, checking  
for
leaks, all is right with the world. Backed it in the garage and blipped the
throttle one more time and WIDE OPEN THROTTLE! Frantically stomped the gas  
one
time to see if it would free up. I know that is not what I should have done
first but in the spur of the moment that is what the brain told my body to  
do.
Next reached up and killed the ignition.  Probably only ran for a second,
possibly two max but it seamed like an eternity. When I killed the engine
"something" continued to freewheel for about 3 to 5 seconds making metal
rubbing sounds. After gaining my composure I put a wrench on the crank and  
it
appeared to turn free, no out of the ordinary feeling. So I guess I start
tearing into it after work tomorrow. Any idea what could have been
freewheeling after the engine stopped? At least from the drivers seat I  
think
the engine stopped, I would not thing the entire assembly could have kept
spinning that long do you?  Oh, the cause, I did not have the transmission
tunnel cover attached, just sitting there in the car so when I blipped the
throttle the stop under the gas peddle hooked itself under the lip of the
cover. Note to self, don't ever do that again. Marty
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Apr 20 08:08:11 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:08:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] robert johns
Message-ID: <8CEED162770A8F3-2B78-B208@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com>

 cant find your email address....need to discuss MITTY.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Apr 20 09:00:23 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:00:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] I have his email now....thanks...now to find him.
Message-ID: <8CEED1D7267CC47-2B78-B9BB@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com>

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From sgroh1 at comcast.net  Fri Apr 20 09:52:51 2012
From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:52:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] 11 Triumphs registered for the Jefferson 500!
Message-ID: <2064019173.1904671.1334937171524.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Triumph Ghetto Heaven !B  11 Triumphs registered to compete at the Jefferson
500 in May - Richard Brown (64 Spitfire); Henry Frye (62 TR4); Steve Groh (63
Spitfire); David Gussack (63 Spitfire); Scott Janzen (68 GT6); Leo Oddi (68
250); Paul O'Malley (64 TR4A); Bill Rampe (66 Spitfire); Carl Schwab (67
Spitfire); Bill Tobin (70 TR6); and George Wright (61 TR4)....so far.B  This
is going to be fun...

From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 20 09:55:59 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:55:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 11 Triumphs registered for the Jefferson 500!
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Message-ID: <E928F1510EA4496781DA2D4BFA745549@gdhs.local>

I plan on being there with my TR3A.... 


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Subject: [Fot] 11 Triumphs registered for the Jefferson 500!

Triumph Ghetto Heaven !B  11 Triumphs registered to compete at the Jefferson
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(63 Spitfire); David Gussack (63 Spitfire); Scott Janzen (68 GT6); Leo Oddi
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From sgroh1 at comcast.net  Fri Apr 20 09:58:14 2012
From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:58:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] 11 Triumphs registered for the Jefferson 500!
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Make that 12!

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Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:55:59 AM
Subject: RE: [Fot] 11 Triumphs registered for the Jefferson 500!

I plan on being there with my TR3A....


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Subject: [Fot] 11 Triumphs registered for the Jefferson 500!

Triumph Ghetto Heaven !B B 11 Triumphs registered to compete at the Jefferson
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(63 Spitfire); David Gussack (63 Spitfire); Scott Janzen (68 GT6); Leo Oddi
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 20 13:11:36 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:11:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Still Might be Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1+nOQxkyddQkCYzroRHwYacBVUpsP-YaOfmCZeYyOhqDxD=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>,
	<013f01cd1e97$ba5d63f0$2f182bd0$@com>,
	<BLU168-W113E840816EE9174ACF8EEDBA220@phx.gbl>,
	<CAJ1+nOQxkyddQkCYzroRHwYacBVUpsP-YaOfmCZeYyOhqDxD=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU168-W121A300ABCAABAA82E8D244BA220@phx.gbl>

Ran home at lunch time and did some more investigation.  Hit the starter and
starter rotated but nothing on the engine side. Climbed under the car and
looked at the snout at the rear of the crank after the last main bearing. As I
rotated the crank using a wrench at the front I could see the rear snout still
rotating along with the rest of the crank. Possibly I dodged a bullet.  We
will be pulling the transmission after work to see what is going on back
there. I should have a new set of flywheel bolts being delivered to my house
about 10:00 tonight.  If it is indeed just broken flywheel bolts we should be
back in business in the wee hours of the morning. Still hoping to head south
on wednesday.

Marty

From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Fri Apr 20 17:13:15 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:13:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Here's the latest scoop on the Mitty!
Message-ID: <61D52A6C2A6C4707831021128292BA54@TRIUMPH.local>

Everything is coming together very nicely, some of the details we need to 
know are developing, so here goes...

The Panoramic Photo is happening Friday after the track goes quiet. The 
picture will take place on the track, and it looks like we have a choice of 
locations. No doubt it will be a keeper! Anyone who has ever participated in 
one of these knows how time consuming the setup is, so everybody's patience 
is appreciated. Our photographer will be Bob Lang, and we are trying to 
secure a tall stepladder. If anyone has a stepladder taller than 6 feet and 
can easily bring it, please email me off list!

We have several people coming that are looking for crew passes. If anyone 
has any crew slots not being used, email me off list. If anyone needs a crew 
pass, email me off list as well and we will see what we can work out.

Remember, if you are coming in your street Triumph and bought the Georgia 
Triumph's entry, you do not need a crew pass. The GA Triumph credential gets 
you anywhere crew can go!

I just found out the IMSA GTP cars will be over in the Pro Paddock with us. 
There are only 15 of them, so don't worry, there will be plenty of room. I 
think it will be great to have some very cool race cars in the paddock with 
us! I should be getting a map, and will post it on the website when I get it 
so there will be less confusion during setup.

Our hosts, Classic Motorsports has provided us with a canopy that will serve 
as our Hospitality Tent. I think it will be 20X20. Speaking of our hosts, be 
sure to thank Tim Suddard, Andy Reid, and the rest of the Classic 
Motorsports crew for all their efforts. The amount of work involved to make 
our part of this event go is huge, let alone the big picture.

I believe there will be a very short gathering in our Hospitality Tent on 
Thursday night after the Test Day is done, more as that plan comes together.

Looking forward to seeing everybody again!

Cheers

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 

From billdentin at aol.com  Fri Apr 20 19:17:33 2012
From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:17:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Here's the latest scoop on the Mitty!
In-Reply-To: <61D52A6C2A6C4707831021128292BA54@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <61D52A6C2A6C4707831021128292BA54@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <8CEED73AA15BAFE-1DA8-40AD9@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>

<<< The Panoramic Photo is happening Friday after the track goes quiet. The
icture will take place on the track, and it looks like we have a choice of
ocations. No doubt it will be a keeper! Anyone who has ever participated in
ne of these knows how time consuming the setup is, so everybody's patience
s appreciated. Our photographer will be Bob Lang, and we are trying to
ecure a tall stepladder. If anyone has a stepladder taller than 6 feet and
an easily bring it, please email me off list! >>>
Henry...it is my intention to bring framed copies of the panoramic pictures
taken
at both the 40th (1992) and 50th (2002) celebration at Mid-Ohio.  And I will
have them on display
in the Beady Eye paddock, ro wherever you would likse them.
<<< I just found out the IMSA GTP cars will be over in the Pro Paddock with
us.
here are only 15 of them, so don't worry, there will be plenty of room. I
hink it will be great to have some very cool race cars in the paddock with
s! I should be getting a map, and will post it on the website when I get it
o there will be less confusion during setup. >>>
Not to worry!  There will be no shortage of VERY COOL cars in the TRIUMPH
paddock.
Bill Dentinger

From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Sat Apr 21 08:43:53 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:43:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Crew slots for the Mitty
Message-ID: <118430A0D8EB46D394D82F9FC480E252@TRIUMPH.local>

I mentioned this in my email last night,  but have gotten few responses.

If anybody has any open crew slots, or needs a crew slot, email me off list. 
I will see if we can accomodate everybody.

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 

From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 21 09:36:57 2012
From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:36:57 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Piston Wine/bottle stops
References: <1304EE81-8D22-48C5-98C7-75EA91F9A1BB@esri.com>
Message-ID: <985B6E62-53D2-4425-AE35-3063E1C6DA62@yahoo.com>

I met a guy at work who is full of talent. He can do pencil drawings for car
photos that look awesome, and he can make gear shift knobs, shaving brushes,
and just about anything you can imagine.  Attached is a link to a piston
bottle stopper he is making.

It can also have a natural cork.  He can burn in Triumph logos, your name, car
number etc.  And if I give him one of my TR4 pistons he will replicate it and
add some rings to it. Which I will be doing.

I was in awe at his talent and wanted to pass this along.  Pretty cool.  I am
starting to think about Christmas presents.  I have an email from him I can
forward to those who are interested.

No financial interest.

 Ty

> http://db.tt/bnQw1lgw

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Apr 21 10:26:51 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:26:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] RMVR GUYS
Message-ID: <8CEEDF2B10932C8-F88-14720@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>

 RMVR

ONE LAP OF AMERICA is at HIGH PLAINS RACEWAY on the 8th of May....anyone plan
to be out there?



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 21 19:27:56 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 21:27:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] It lives!
Message-ID: <BLU168-W104650D934EEE61E56B115ABA200@phx.gbl>

Spitfire is back together. It looks like all we did is take out the flywheel
bolts and dowel.  So, Road Atlanta here we come, hide the women and children.
Drove the car up and down the street. Down on power in the top gear but with
new cam and carbs we have a lot to learn.  See you Thursday! Marty

From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Sun Apr 22 05:05:58 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 07:05:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Could still use a few more crew slots
Message-ID: <8B772DBE71654195A11797BDCFFDA684@TRIUMPH.local>

It's all coming together nicely, but I could still use a few more empty crew 
slots to get all of our friends in.

Thanks to all who have offered up your unused crew slots, I will be emailing 
you names before the end of today!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 

From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Sun Apr 22 06:00:40 2012
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 07:00:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailer and Golf Cart for sale
Message-ID: <C22F4A3F0AA3EA488D30A42FC8A4817639B87736F3@DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local>

Morning Members,

I am looking at a trailer in Phoenix AZ.  So 1st off if anyone lives there and
is coming this way (Nashville, TN)  or even partially this way, and has a
gooseneck hitch in their truck I am paying someone for delivery so I prefer to
pay someone I would know like a FOT Member. So if you're interested let me
know ASAP.  Maybe someone headed this way for the Mitty?? It's a 46' and will
easily haul two Triumphs. Call me at 615-347-0260 or e mail to:
info at dieselperformanceparts.com<mailto:info at dieselperformanceparts.com>

Secondly there is a super nice golf cart there as well. I would buy it but
this trailer deal is going to tap out my "play" money. I think I could bring
it here and sell it for a profit and would if I had the extra cash. It belongs
to the friend of mine that is inspecting the trailer in AZ prior to me making
an offer on it. Custom paint, custom wheels, stereo, aftermarket exhaust and
intake, front and rear seats all sorts of custom stuff.  You can believe what
he says about it and he says it's 100% it's a 2001 model gas engine. Anyway if
I buy the trailer it can ride to TN or anywhere along the way on I-40 for free
as a favor to him for looking at the trailer for me. I don't think we can post
pics here so if you have any interest in it e mail me at :
info at dieselperformanceparts.com<mailto:info at dieselperformanceparts.com>
and I will forward them to you. He is wanting 3500.00 for it. The dang wheels
are probably worth over 500.00 alone.

Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax

www.dieselperformanceparts.com

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Apr 22 08:03:43 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:03:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] BUSINESS: FOT & UNCLE JACK STICKERS PLUS 50TH ANNIVERSARY
 MAGAZINE AVAILABLE
Message-ID: <8CEEEA7DC6F3509-F88-16D01@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>

 Some minor FOT BUSINESS ISSUES..........

I am bringing 3" FOT STICKERS AND 3" UNCLE JACK STICKERS.

I also have a number of VTR MAGAZINES that feature the 50th Anniversary. The
coverage is extensive and includes the cover of the magazine. This is the year
that UK was heavily represented. I invited Kas for the first year and KAS and
I decided to initiate the KASTNER CUP series in the following year.

Now we are at the 60th Anniversary, and the 10th Kastner Cup.  Credit goes to
Tom Householder for initiating the 40th Anniversary in 1992 and handling most
of the organization of the 50th. The FOT handled the racing side of 50th
ANNIVERSARY event.

Proceeds from disposing of these items will go into the 'FUND'.

Note: Ted Schumacher has elected to donate some of the shirt proceeds to MARK
BRADAKIS to support the system that holds the FOT together.

See you at THE MITTY.....Tony Garmey reports that he is on the road already,
making good progress, and may arrive as early as Monday Night.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From BillDentin at aol.com  Sun Apr 22 08:33:39 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:33:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] BUSINESS: FOT & UNCLE JACK STICKERS PLUS 50TH ANNIVERSARY
 MAGAZINE ...
Message-ID: <43da.10285cdc.3cc570c3@aol.com>

In a message dated 04/22/2012 9:05:13 AM Central Daylight Time, 
n197tr4 at cs.com writes:


> <<< See you at THE MITTY.....Tony Garmey reports that he is on the road 
> already, making good progress, and may arrive as early as Monday Night.  >>>
> 
> 

No wonder Tony always finishes so far up in the field.  

He starts earlier.

Bill (Damdinger)

From BillDentin at aol.com  Sun Apr 22 08:48:48 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:48:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] BUSINESS: FOT & UNCLE JACK STICKERS PLUS 50TH ANNIVERSARY
 MAGAZINE ...
Message-ID: <490e.4e173c54.3cc57450@aol.com>

In a message dated 04/22/2012 9:05:13 AM Central Daylight Time, 
n197tr4 at cs.com writes:


> <<< I also have a number of VTR MAGAZINES that feature the 50th 
> Anniversary. The coverage is extensive and includes the cover of the magazine. This 
> is the year
> that UK was heavily represented. I invited Kas for the first year and KAS 
> and
> I decided to initiate the KASTNER CUP series in the following year. >>>
> 
Joe...

I am bringing, and hope to have on display, framed copies of the 
'panoramic' photographs from both the 40th and 50th Anniversary celebration.  These 
are each about four feet wide.  Anyone unfamiliar with a World War II 
Panoramic Camera, and the kind of pictures they are capable of capturing, ought to 
be impressed.  I'll also try to bring a framed copy of the poster from 40th 
Anniversary.  It is signed by all of the racers, and people like Bob Tullius, 
Smokey Yunick, and others.  Kas was not there that year.  He was beating up 
on Porches up at Limerock.

TRIUMPH is often described as the sports car of the common man (or even the 
great unwashed).  But I think it is still OK for us to 'put on the dog' 
every now and then.

Bill Dentinger

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Apr 22 09:28:28 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:28:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] BUSINESS: FOT & UNCLE JACK STICKERS PLUS 50TH ANNIVERSARY
 MAGAZINE ...
In-Reply-To: <490e.4e173c54.3cc57450@aol.com>
References: <490e.4e173c54.3cc57450@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CEEEB3B35B8E13-F88-170C0@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>

CMS is providing a 20  x  20 canopy for us. Perhaps we can display some of
this stuff in the HOSPITALITY AREA. If not, this stuff will show great at our
individual paddock locations.

I, too, have a poster from 1992. Maybe this will be a good time to get some
autographs on it.

BTW, WEATHER FORECAST is looking very good.

FLIGHT TRACKER says that Kas and Peg have just left their driveway in
California and heading EAST.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: BillDentin <BillDentin at aol.com>
To: n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:48 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] BUSINESS: FOT & UNCLE JACK STICKERS PLUS 50TH ANNIVERSARY
MAGAZINE ...


In a message dated 04/22/2012 9:05:13 AM Central Daylight Time, n197tr4 at cs.com
writes:



<<< I also have a number of VTR MAGAZINES that feature the 50th Anniversary.
The coverage is extensive and includes the cover of the magazine. This is the
year
that UK was heavily represented. I invited Kas for the first year and KAS and
I decided to initiate the KASTNER CUP series in the following year. >>>


Joe...

I am bringing, and hope to have on display, framed copies of the 'panoramic'
photographs from both the 40th and 50th Anniversary celebration.  These are
each about four feet wide.  Anyone unfamiliar with a World War II Panoramic
Camera, and the kind of pictures they are capable of capturing, ought to be
impressed.  I'll also try to bring a framed copy of the poster from 40th
Anniversary.  It is signed by all of the racers, and people like Bob Tullius,
Smokey Yunick, and others.  Kas was not there that year.  He was beating up on
Porches up at Limerock.

TRIUMPH is often described as the sports car of the common man (or even the
great unwashed).  But I think it is still OK for us to 'put on the dog' every
now and then.

Bill Dentinger

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Apr 22 09:57:45 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:57:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] DISTRIBUTION OF KASTNER CUP POSTERS by FOT AND VTR
Message-ID: <8CEEEB7CA9B0FC3-F88-171ED@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>

 FOT

The FOT and VTR produced over 200 posters and expect them to go fast.

One poster goes to every FOT in attendance. One poster goes to every VTR
member in attendance.

A second poster will be available for $5.00. It's not about the money. It just
slows down the requests 'for my buddy back home'.


Steve Belfer donated his artful talents for the poster.
VTR's Joe Pawlak, from ISOA,  produced at his cost.
VTR paid this cost with the help of Blake Discher
Ronnie Babbitt of GTA will coordinate distribution to VTR members
Irv Korey and Steve Yott are transporting posters from Chicago.

It takes a TRIUMPH VILLAGE to distribute our posters.

I would prefer disposing of all of the posters at the track. I shipped shirts
and posters after Laguna Seca and not sure how I got sucked into that. If you
are not coming and want a poster get one of the attendees to procure and send.
Not being grumpy, just thought I'd better say something.


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sun Apr 22 10:41:19 2012
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:41:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] DISTRIBUTION OF KASTNER CUP POSTERS by FOT AND VTR
In-Reply-To: <8CEEEB7CA9B0FC3-F88-171ED@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CEEEB7CA9B0FC3-F88-171ED@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <EF0285F6-5FB0-4ED9-A9FC-3D2244122EA3@141.com>

Thanks to everyone who made the great posters available for us!!  Will there
be a poster-signing session, like we did some years back? It would be great to
have the drivers and related notables all sign the posters.

It's getting TOUGH to wait until Thursday!!!!!!

Keep Triumphing,
Susan   :)


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

> FOT
>
> The FOT and VTR produced over 200 posters and expect them to go fast.
>
> One poster goes to every FOT in attendance. One poster goes to every VTR
> member in attendance.
>
> A second poster will be available for $5.00. It's not about the money. It
just
> slows down the requests 'for my buddy back home'.
>
>
> Steve Belfer donated his artful talents for the poster.
> VTR's Joe Pawlak, from ISOA,  produced at his cost.
> VTR paid this cost with the help of Blake Discher
> Ronnie Babbitt of GTA will coordinate distribution to VTR members
> Irv Korey and Steve Yott are transporting posters from Chicago.
>
> It takes a TRIUMPH VILLAGE to distribute our posters.
>
> I would prefer disposing of all of the posters at the track. I shipped
shirts
> and posters after Laguna Seca and not sure how I got sucked into that. If
you
> are not coming and want a poster get one of the attendees to procure and
send.
> Not being grumpy, just thought I'd better say something.
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Apr 22 10:55:39 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:55:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Signing of  KASTNER CUP POSTERS for the DRIVERS
In-Reply-To: <EF0285F6-5FB0-4ED9-A9FC-3D2244122EA3@141.com>
References: <8CEEEB7CA9B0FC3-F88-171ED@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
	<EF0285F6-5FB0-4ED9-A9FC-3D2244122EA3@141.com>
Message-ID: <8CEEEBFE136B496-F88-174D9@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>

 The most successful signing was when we had some volunteers take 40 or so
posters and either brought the racers in or went to the racers for signing
their name all at once.  This is huge undertaking and takes some patience.

The end result is priceless. We may need a white marker, too, because there is
a lot of dark area. Having perhaps four volunteers with posters divided up,
might work. Susan, perhaps you could assemble a 'crew' and get this done.

I have hinted around on this, but fear I have worn out my welcome.   And I
understand that. I always go back to the usual suspects and that's not really
fair.


Thanks for bringing this up.


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>; emanteno <emanteno at comcast.net>; bdischer
<bdischer at vtr.org>
Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 11:41 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] DISTRIBUTION OF KASTNER CUP POSTERS by FOT AND VTR


Thanks to everyone who made the great posters available for us!!  Will there
be
a poster-signing session, like we did some years back? It would be great to
have
the drivers and related notables all sign the posters.

It's getting TOUGH to wait until Thursday!!!!!!

Keep Triumphing,
Susan   :)


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

> FOT
>
> The FOT and VTR produced over 200 posters and expect them to go fast.
>
> One poster goes to every FOT in attendance. One poster goes to every VTR
> member in attendance.
>
> A second poster will be available for $5.00. It's not about the money. It
just
> slows down the requests 'for my buddy back home'.
>
>
> Steve Belfer donated his artful talents for the poster.
> VTR's Joe Pawlak, from ISOA,  produced at his cost.
> VTR paid this cost with the help of Blake Discher
> Ronnie Babbitt of GTA will coordinate distribution to VTR members
> Irv Korey and Steve Yott are transporting posters from Chicago.
>
> It takes a TRIUMPH VILLAGE to distribute our posters.
>
> I would prefer disposing of all of the posters at the track. I shipped
shirts
> and posters after Laguna Seca and not sure how I got sucked into that. If
you
> are not coming and want a poster get one of the attendees to procure and
send.
> Not being grumpy, just thought I'd better say something.
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Apr 22 10:58:44 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:58:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Power hookups?   FAQ
In-Reply-To: <4f943738.e88aec0a.3dd7.ffffcca9@mx.google.com>
References: <4f943738.e88aec0a.3dd7.ffffcca9@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <8CEEEC04FBF1561-F88-174F3@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>

 I think I remember there being electrical power. Henry REMEMBERS this, too.
And he is much younger.

Maybe someone can verify so this question doesnt have to be asked multiple
time.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Kahler <bkahler1 at gmail.com>
To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>
Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 11:52 am
Subject: Power hookups


Joe,  will there be electric hookups for the motor home?

We're planning on being there Wednesday evening.

Brad

Sent from my HTC Inspireb" 4G on AT&T

From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Sun Apr 22 11:16:07 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:16:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Power hookups?   FAQ
References: <4f943738.e88aec0a.3dd7.ffffcca9@mx.google.com>
	<8CEEEC04FBF1561-F88-174F3@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <17BC9368682F4C0D9B59BDEB2383B2AB@TRIUMPH.local>

I have not talked to the track, but I remember from the last time we were 
there a row of power boxes in the paddock. Plan on plugging in, but have a 
backup plan if you need one.

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Alexander" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <bkahler1 at gmail.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 12:58 PM
Subject: [Fot] Power hookups? FAQ


> I think I remember there being electrical power. Henry REMEMBERS this, 
> too.
> And he is much younger.
>
> Maybe someone can verify so this question doesnt have to be asked multiple
> time.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Kahler <bkahler1 at gmail.com>
> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>
> Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 11:52 am
> Subject: Power hookups
>
>
> Joe,  will there be electric hookups for the motor home?
>
> We're planning on being there Wednesday evening.
>
> Brad
>
> Sent from my HTC Inspireb" 4G on AT&T
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sun Apr 22 11:16:08 2012
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:16:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Signing of  KASTNER CUP POSTERS for the DRIVERS
In-Reply-To: <8CEEEBFE136B496-F88-174D9@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CEEEB7CA9B0FC3-F88-171ED@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
	<EF0285F6-5FB0-4ED9-A9FC-3D2244122EA3@141.com>
	<8CEEEBFE136B496-F88-174D9@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <AE3289A1-8997-4594-86C9-F35861E877D3@141.com>

With my organizational and motivational skills and a large horse whip, I ought
to be able to help out with this effort.   ;)   Any chance of getting table
space at the hospitality tent/dinner events?

Anyone else willing to assist me in this endeavor?

I will provide the markers, and the whip.    :)

Susan   :)


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 22, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

> The most successful signing was when we had some volunteers take 40 or so
posters and either brought the racers in or went to the racers for signing
their name all at once.  This is huge undertaking and takes some patience.
>
> The end result is priceless. We may need a white marker, too, because there
is a lot of dark area. Having perhaps four volunteers with posters divided up,
might work. Susan, perhaps you could assemble a 'crew' and get this done.
>
> I have hinted around on this, but fear I have worn out my welcome.   And I
understand that. I always go back to the usual suspects and that's not really
fair.
>
> Thanks for bringing this up.
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
> To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>; emanteno <emanteno at comcast.net>; bdischer
<bdischer at vtr.org>
> Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 11:41 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] DISTRIBUTION OF KASTNER CUP POSTERS by FOT AND VTR
>
> Thanks to everyone who made the great posters available for us!!  Will there
be
> a poster-signing session, like we did some years back? It would be great to
have
> the drivers and related notables all sign the posters.
>
> It's getting TOUGH to wait until Thursday!!!!!!
>
> Keep Triumphing,
> Susan   :)
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
>
> > FOT
> >
> > The FOT and VTR produced over 200 posters and expect them to go fast.
> >
> > One poster goes to every FOT in attendance. One poster goes to every VTR
> > member in attendance.
> >
> > A second poster will be available for $5.00. It's not about the money. It
just
> > slows down the requests 'for my buddy back home'.
> >
> >
> > Steve Belfer donated his artful talents for the poster.
> > VTR's Joe Pawlak, from ISOA,  produced at his cost.
> > VTR paid this cost with the help of Blake Discher
> > Ronnie Babbitt of GTA will coordinate distribution to VTR members
> > Irv Korey and Steve Yott are transporting posters from Chicago.
> >
> > It takes a TRIUMPH VILLAGE to distribute our posters.
> >
> > I would prefer disposing of all of the posters at the track. I shipped
shirts
> > and posters after Laguna Seca and not sure how I got sucked into that. If
you
> > are not coming and want a poster get one of the attendees to procure and
send.
> > Not being grumpy, just thought I'd better say something.
> >
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> > A. R. E.
> > 645 1st Street
> > Jesup, Iowa 50648
> > 319.464.4711  (cell)
> > n197tr4 at cs.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
> >
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Sun Apr 22 11:42:53 2012
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:42:53 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Kastener Cup 2012
Message-ID: <1496BBCBC47249BD882C19F90B614DA9@homekeith>

Dear all,

 

Just wanted to wish you all the very best for the Kastner Cup next weekend,
it will be a truly great event as always. 

 

We are really sorry that we can't be with you again this year but the
Kastner Cup clashes with a race event for Josh here in the UK.

 

Rest assured that we will be keeping a look out for the results and the
reports; we will miss you all loads.

 

Best of luck and have a great time.

 

Keith, Denise and Josh.

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Apr 22 11:49:15 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:49:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Signing of  KASTNER CUP POSTERS for the DRIVERS
In-Reply-To: <AE3289A1-8997-4594-86C9-F35861E877D3@141.com>
References: <8CEEEB7CA9B0FC3-F88-171ED@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
	<EF0285F6-5FB0-4ED9-A9FC-3D2244122EA3@141.com>
	<8CEEEBFE136B496-F88-174D9@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
	<AE3289A1-8997-4594-86C9-F35861E877D3@141.com>
Message-ID: <8CEEEC75E3A1E8B-F88-17756@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>

 way to go, Susan!

if  chains, handcuffs, and leather are involved here, i suspect the Chi-Town
guys will volunteer.

maybe the WPTA, too.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>; emanteno <emanteno at comcast.net>; bdischer
<bdischer at vtr.org>
Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: Signing of  KASTNER CUP POSTERS for the DRIVERS


With my organizational and motivational skills and a large horse whip, I ought
to be able to help out with this effort.   ;)   Any chance of getting table
space at the hospitality tent/dinner events?


Anyone else willing to assist me in this endeavor?


I will provide the markers, and the whip.    :)


Susan   :)


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 22, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:




 The most successful signing was when we had some volunteers take 40 or so
posters and either brought the racers in or went to the racers for signing
their name all at once.  This is huge undertaking and takes some patience.

The end result is priceless. We may need a white marker, too, because there is
a lot of dark area. Having perhaps four volunteers with posters divided up,
might work. Susan, perhaps you could assemble a 'crew' and get this done.

I have hinted around on this, but fear I have worn out my welcome.   And I
understand that. I always go back to the usual suspects and that's not really
fair.


Thanks for bringing this up.


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>; emanteno <emanteno at comcast.net>; bdischer
<bdischer at vtr.org>
Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 11:41 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] DISTRIBUTION OF KASTNER CUP POSTERS by FOT AND VTR


Thanks to everyone who made the great posters available for us!!  Will there
be
a poster-signing session, like we did some years back? It would be great to
have
the drivers and related notables all sign the posters.

It's getting TOUGH to wait until Thursday!!!!!!

Keep Triumphing,
Susan   :)


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

> FOT
>
> The FOT and VTR produced over 200 posters and expect them to go fast.
>
> One poster goes to every FOT in attendance. One poster goes to every VTR
> member in attendance.
>
> A second poster will be available for $5.00. It's not about the money. It
just
> slows down the requests 'for my buddy back home'.
>
>
> Steve Belfer donated his artful talents for the poster.
> VTR's Joe Pawlak, from ISOA,  produced at his cost.
> VTR paid this cost with the help of Blake Discher
> Ronnie Babbitt of GTA will coordinate distribution to VTR members
> Irv Korey and Steve Yott are transporting posters from Chicago.
>
> It takes a TRIUMPH VILLAGE to distribute our posters.
>
> I would prefer disposing of all of the posters at the track. I shipped
shirts
> and posters after Laguna Seca and not sure how I got sucked into that. If
you
> are not coming and want a poster get one of the attendees to procure and
send.
> Not being grumpy, just thought I'd better say something.
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 22 15:57:49 2012
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:57:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mitty Car number swap request
Message-ID: <SNT136-W4459CF7E14A8E71D3EC8E7F9200@phx.gbl>

 I just checked the entry list for the Triumph event at the Mitty on the HSR
website and noticed I did not get the car number I requested. Bob Wismer was
assigned the #4 and my McComb Trubute TR6 got #14. Apparently we both
requested #4 and Bob's entry must have beat mine in. As the car is a Group 44
look alike of the 1975 TR6 of McCombs championship at Road Atlanta I would
very much like to switch number with Bob. Are you on the list Bob? Does
anybody know how I can contact Bob in the event he's not seeing this message?
I would sure appreciate the favor Bob and I'll owe you one!

Sam Halkias

From trdoctor at aol.com  Sun Apr 22 16:11:28 2012
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:11:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Signing of  KASTNER CUP POSTERS for the DRIVERS
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1335117601.14584.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1.1335117601.14584.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <0734822E-26F9-465A-A210-02FB256C7E06@aol.com>

And don't forget the boots!!  I saw them in Texas before. . .

Sam
On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote:

> <snip>
>
> way to go, Susan!
>
> if  chains, handcuffs, and leather are involved here, i suspect the
Chi-Town
> guys will volunteer.
>
> maybe the WPTA, too.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com

From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 22 16:28:53 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:28:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 120 v power in the Pro Paddock
Message-ID: <4FC4E01F-B0C5-45B9-A3AE-66B6CACC892D@yahoo.com>

I have a 5000 watt generator that I can bring for ac power in the paddock. Is
it ok to have generators there or do we have to pay RA for power?

From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Sun Apr 22 17:25:47 2012
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:25:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 120 v power in the Pro Paddock
In-Reply-To: <4FC4E01F-B0C5-45B9-A3AE-66B6CACC892D@yahoo.com>
References: <4FC4E01F-B0C5-45B9-A3AE-66B6CACC892D@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CALsVEtBm15XJunPv2pNWM4+D0Vcv6EuKbb7n3cH09PgB9najWg@mail.gmail.com>

Mike, I was there in February and checked the Pro paddock for power.  At
that event there was no charge for camping or use of electricity, but I
don't know if that will apply at the Mitty.  There is a row of power poles
down one side of the paddock, against the hill.  There will need to be a
lot of sharing.  From past experience, they did allow generators, but loud
construction site type generators were frowned upon.  Quiet RV or camp
ground units were welcomed.  Don

On Sunday, April 22, 2012, Mike Munson wrote:

> I have a 5000 watt generator that I can bring for ac power in the paddock.
> Is
> it ok to have generators there or do we have to pay RA for power?
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From triosan at gmail.com  Sun Apr 22 22:34:13 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:34:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Signing of KASTNER CUP POSTERS for the DRIVERS
In-Reply-To: <AE3289A1-8997-4594-86C9-F35861E877D3@141.com>
References: <8CEEEB7CA9B0FC3-F88-171ED@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
	<EF0285F6-5FB0-4ED9-A9FC-3D2244122EA3@141.com>
	<8CEEEBFE136B496-F88-174D9@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
	<AE3289A1-8997-4594-86C9-F35861E877D3@141.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNBGTDcEJvNrpcdtH0DuDLaq0Qg6ROv9TGgpzMCa_LPbFA@mail.gmail.com>

I would be glad to help

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com> wrote:

> With my organizational and motivational skills and a large horse whip, I
> ought
> to be able to help out with this effort.   ;)   Any chance of getting table
> space at the hospitality tent/dinner events?
>
> Anyone else willing to assist me in this endeavor?
>
> I will provide the markers, and the whip.    :)
>
> Susan   :)
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 22, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
>
> > The most successful signing was when we had some volunteers take 40 or so
> posters and either brought the racers in or went to the racers for signing
> their name all at once.  This is huge undertaking and takes some patience.
> >
> > The end result is priceless. We may need a white marker, too, because
> there
> is a lot of dark area. Having perhaps four volunteers with posters divided
> up,
> might work. Susan, perhaps you could assemble a 'crew' and get this done.
> >
> > I have hinted around on this, but fear I have worn out my welcome.   And
> I
> understand that. I always go back to the usual suspects and that's not
> really
> fair.
> >
> > Thanks for bringing this up.
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> > A. R. E.
> > 645 1st Street
> > Jesup, Iowa 50648
> > 319.464.4711  (cell)
> > n197tr4 at cs.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
> > To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> > Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>; emanteno <emanteno at comcast.net>; bdischer
> <bdischer at vtr.org>
> > Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 11:41 am
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] DISTRIBUTION OF KASTNER CUP POSTERS by FOT AND VTR
> >
> > Thanks to everyone who made the great posters available for us!!  Will
> there
> be
> > a poster-signing session, like we did some years back? It would be great
> to
> have
> > the drivers and related notables all sign the posters.
> >
> > It's getting TOUGH to wait until Thursday!!!!!!
> >
> > Keep Triumphing,
> > Susan   :)
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
> >
> > > FOT
> > >
> > > The FOT and VTR produced over 200 posters and expect them to go fast.
> > >
> > > One poster goes to every FOT in attendance. One poster goes to every
> VTR
> > > member in attendance.
> > >
> > > A second poster will be available for $5.00. It's not about the money.
> It
> just
> > > slows down the requests 'for my buddy back home'.
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve Belfer donated his artful talents for the poster.
> > > VTR's Joe Pawlak, from ISOA,  produced at his cost.
> > > VTR paid this cost with the help of Blake Discher
> > > Ronnie Babbitt of GTA will coordinate distribution to VTR members
> > > Irv Korey and Steve Yott are transporting posters from Chicago.
> > >
> > > It takes a TRIUMPH VILLAGE to distribute our posters.
> > >
> > > I would prefer disposing of all of the posters at the track. I shipped
> shirts
> > > and posters after Laguna Seca and not sure how I got sucked into that.
> If
> you
> > > are not coming and want a poster get one of the attendees to procure
> and
> send.
> > > Not being grumpy, just thought I'd better say something.
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe Alexander
> > > A. R. E.
> > > 645 1st Street
> > > Jesup, Iowa 50648
> > > 319.464.4711  (cell)
> > > n197tr4 at cs.com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > fot at autox.team.net
> > >
> > > http://www.fot-racing.com
> > >
> > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>
>


-- 
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley

From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Mon Apr 23 03:29:14 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 05:29:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mitty crew passes
Message-ID: <12707C91F489404494199138AB099743@TRIUMPH.local>

Thanks to everybody who offered up their spare crew slots. I believe I 
matched up everybody who emailed me looking for a pass with a racer with 
spares. If I missed somebody, get hold of me today!

The gates open at Road Atlanta in 2 1/2 days!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 

From cwnfot at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 05:43:36 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:43:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Arriving early for the Mitty?
Message-ID: <000301cd2146$52a0ce30$f7e26a90$@com>

If anyone arrives early and needs something to do, drive West on rt 53 to
Dawsonville and check out the new race course there. Atlanta Motorsports
Park.

http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ 

 

Also some Bill Elliot theme spots.

 

Dahlonega is fun also.

 

I'll arrive Thursday if all goes to plan.
Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
"Reality, it's not what you think."

From harmug at us.ibm.com  Mon Apr 23 07:14:12 2012
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:14:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1335117601.14584.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.0.1335117601.14584.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OFA5834767.8F38F024-ON852579E9.00487C7D-852579E9.0048B6E2@us.ibm.com>

Related to the power question, is the internet access, WiFI or a media
center at Road Atlanta?

All set to roll, I think.

mike
63 Spit

G. Michael Harmuth

From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Apr 23 08:29:56 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:29:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA?
Message-ID: <a23e.3d2f4c92.3cc6c164@aol.com>

In a message dated 04/23/2012 8:14:33 AM Central Daylight Time, 
harmug at us.ibm.com writes:


> <<< Related to the power question, is the internet access, WiFI or a 
> media
> center at Road Atlanta? >>>
> 

Mike...

This is a 'vintage event'.  

They have a telegraph service.

Bill (Damdinger)

From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Apr 23 08:39:00 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:39:00 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA?
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1335191923.7100.fot@autox.team.net>

The Beady-eye crew has an in car telegraph system... So they should be able to teach us to use it.  I'll bring an Edison player... As they data log on a wax cylinder.
Jason
FGR
------Original Message------
From: BillDentin at aol.com
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: harmug at us.ibm.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA?
Sent: Apr 23, 2012 9:29 AM

In a message dated 04/23/2012 8:14:33 AM Central Daylight Time, 
harmug at us.ibm.com writes:


> <<< Related to the power question, is the internet access, WiFI or a 
> media
> center at Road Atlanta? >>>
> 

Mike...

This is a 'vintage event'.  

They have a telegraph service.

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From jkhagen at charter.net  Mon Apr 23 08:56:42 2012
From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:56:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Mitty Car number swap request
Message-ID: <6c1cbc53.2d592b.136dfb463b6.Webtop.43@charter.net>

AMICI,, Good luck Sam--Maybe CMS Magazine would like an article about 
your car--They are doing one about Pat Starrs' TR powered Morgan he has 
been racing for 40+ years.  They have a picture of my car and the Morgan 
side by side from Brainerd in1973!--Both cars will be on the "Other" 
side of the main straight--with the "Bad Guys" [MG's] from Minnesota. 
Come and see us --we will also be trying to catch the Morgan. John Hagen 
#62


On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Sam Halkias wrote:

> I just checked the entry list for the Triumph event at the Mitty on 
> the HSR
> website and noticed I did not get the car number I requested. Bob 
> Wismer was
> assigned the #4 and my McComb Trubute TR6 got #14. Apparently we both
> requested #4 and Bob's entry must have beat mine in. As the car is a 
> Group 44
> look alike of the 1975 TR6 of McCombs championship at Road Atlanta I 
> would
> very much like to switch number with Bob. Are you on the list Bob? 
> Does
> anybody know how I can contact Bob in the event he's not seeing this 
> message?
> I would sure appreciate the favor Bob and I'll owe you one!
>
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Apr 23 09:03:32 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:03:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA?
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No, No, No.....smoke signals 


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In a message dated 04/23/2012 8:14:33 AM Central Daylight Time,
harmug at us.ibm.com writes:


> <<< Related to the power question, is the internet access, WiFI or a 
> media
> center at Road Atlanta? >>>
> 

Mike...

This is a 'vintage event'.  

They have a telegraph service.

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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Mon Apr 23 09:15:13 2012
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:15:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA?
References: <a23e.3d2f4c92.3cc6c164@aol.com>
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What, no Pony Express?
Good luck to all who are going; it wasn't in the cards for me this year.
See you all somewhere later in the summer.
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA?


> In a message dated 04/23/2012 8:14:33 AM Central Daylight Time,
> harmug at us.ibm.com writes:
>
>
>> <<< Related to the power question, is the internet access, WiFI or a
>> media
>> center at Road Atlanta? >>>
>>
>
> Mike...
>
> This is a 'vintage event'.
>
> They have a telegraph service.
>
> Bill (Damdinger)
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 09:56:30 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:56:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA?
In-Reply-To: <OFA5834767.8F38F024-ON852579E9.00487C7D-852579E9.0048B6E2@us.ibm.com>
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	<OFA5834767.8F38F024-ON852579E9.00487C7D-852579E9.0048B6E2@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <007501cd2169$a703f6f0$f50be4d0$@com>

The Media Center is in the tower across the track from the infield pits
(last I knew, upper levels). Whether they will have WiFi up and running
you'll need to contact Road Atlanta.

Otherwise the office building near the outfield entrance should have it,
whether it is open to everyone is a good question.

Another option may be if one of the FOT has a cell phone/data plan that can
provide a "hot-spot"

Aren't they using transponders for timing/scoring? Technology is in use.

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
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and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
"Reality, it's not what you think." 

From rblake36 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 23 12:48:04 2012
From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:48:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Tech at the Mitty
Message-ID: <1335206884.28530.YahooMailClassic@web125802.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I'm sure this question has been asked and answered, I just missed it. What is
the tech situation at the Mitty.  I am 2 months out of date on my annual,
having been 4 months in a rebuild.  Does FOT  have a tech rep assigned to us,
and if so, does anybody know the contact.  If not I guess I go thro tech with
the masses.  Appreciate any guidance.
Bob Blake

From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Tue Apr 24 02:42:16 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 04:42:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tech at the Mitty
References: <1335206884.28530.YahooMailClassic@web125802.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3E99C65C1C3F4EABB28D0064D76546D8@TRIUMPH.local>

HSR is supposed to have a roving tech person over on our paddock. I have no 
details on when they will be there.

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:48 PM
Subject: [Fot] Tech at the Mitty


> I'm sure this question has been asked and answered, I just missed it. What 
> is
> the tech situation at the Mitty.  I am 2 months out of date on my annual,
> having been 4 months in a rebuild.  Does FOT  have a tech rep assigned to 
> us,
> and if so, does anybody know the contact.  If not I guess I go thro tech 
> with
> the masses.  Appreciate any guidance.
> Bob Blake
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue Apr 24 21:41:34 2012
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:41:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
Message-ID: <SNT134-W46DD51C93DA336B0E5C5B790270@phx.gbl>

Hello engine rebuilding enthusiasts.  I have assembled the lower end of my
Brand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a situation
where the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck.  Can I simply deal with
this by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket?  giving a .025" to .030"
clearance between the top of tht piston and the head?

I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is going
to take.

Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico

From malaboge at aol.com  Wed Apr 25 00:16:09 2012
From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:16:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
Message-ID: <8CEF0C20A928782-D28-2B459@webmail-m131.sysops.aol.com>

OK Henry...
Fess up, whats this "brand X" motor?  More info needed here...
first thoughts include:
decked block
longer rods
wrong pistons
some hotrodders have been known to setup a motor like this with a flycut head
or????



-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Morrison <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 24, 2012 8:41 pm
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)


Hello engine rebuilding enthusiasts.  I have assembled the lower end of my
rand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a situation
here the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck.  Can I simply deal with
his by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket?  giving a .025" to .030"
learance between the top of tht piston and the head?
I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is going
o take.
Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico
______________________________________________

From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Wed Apr 25 05:25:34 2012
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:25:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
In-Reply-To: <20120424214534.CDD91026@resin13.mta.everyone.net>
References: <20120424214534.CDD91026@resin13.mta.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <SNT134-W5067548B63087358986EF490270@phx.gbl>

J & E  .....................Cheers, Henry


> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:45:34 -0700
> From: bfeken at copper.net
> To: dos_gusanos at msn.com
> Subject: Re: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
>
> Henry, What make of pistons are they
>
>
> Ken G at BFE
>
> --- dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote:
>
> From: Henry Morrison <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
> To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:41:34 -0600
>
> Hello engine rebuilding enthusiasts. I have assembled the lower end of my
> Brand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a
situation
> where the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck. Can I simply deal
with
> this by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket? giving a .025" to .030"
> clearance between the top of tht piston and the head?
>
> I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is
going
> to take.
>
> Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Wed Apr 25 05:31:09 2012
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:31:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW:  My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
In-Reply-To: <SNT134-W50F94863B76052D120A85B90270@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT134-W46DD51C93DA336B0E5C5B790270@phx.gbl>,
	<8CEF0C1CE37BD18-D28-2B44D@webmail-m131.sysops.aol.com>,
	<SNT134-W50F94863B76052D120A85B90270@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT134-W317C611EBD46C26996DFBF90270@phx.gbl>

From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
To: malaboge at aol.com
Subject: RE: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:29:13 -0600




MGA 1622 cc Carrillo Rods, J & E pistons,  I didn't deck the block but the PO
might have.....................Cheers Henry





To: dos_gusanos at msn.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
From: malaboge at aol.com
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:14:28 -0400


OK Henry...
Fess up, whats this "brand X" motor?  More info needed here...
first thoughts include:
decked block
longer rods
wrong pistons
some hotrodders have been known to setup a motor like this with a flycut head
or????



-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Morrison <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 24, 2012 8:41 pm
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)


Hello engine rebuilding enthusiasts.  I have assembled the lower end of my
Brand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a situation
where the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck.  Can I simply deal
with
this by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket?  giving a .025" to .030"
clearance between the top of tht piston and the head?

I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is going
to take.

Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Apr 25 07:19:16 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:19:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
In-Reply-To: <SNT134-W46DD51C93DA336B0E5C5B790270@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT134-W46DD51C93DA336B0E5C5B790270@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <mailman.5.1335359936.7100.fot@autox.team.net>

A thick copper gasket would do the trick if it seals OK.

Tony

At 10:41 PM 4/24/2012, Henry Morrison wrote:
>Hello engine rebuilding enthusiasts.  I have assembled the lower end of my
>Brand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a situation
>where the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck.  Can I simply deal with
>this by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket?  giving a .025" to .030"
>clearance between the top of tht piston and the head?
>
>I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is going
>to take.
>
>Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico
>_______________________________________________
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Wed Apr 25 09:08:04 2012
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:08:04 +0000
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
Message-ID: <772659026-1335366486-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-75590544-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry>

A thicker gasket would be easiest. 
 
However, be mindful that combustion pressure is obviously greatest near TDC. @ TDC the top compression ring will now have less cylinder space above it.  Somewhere I recall that the top ring should be about .100" below deck to mitigate pressure blow-by.  If  there are other opinions I'm all ears.  Not an "engineer" (love this word and so appropriate for this topic)
M
------Original Message------
From: Henry Morrison
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
Sent: Apr 24, 2012 8:41 PM

Hello engine rebuilding enthusiasts.  I have assembled the lower end of my
Brand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a situation
where the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck.  Can I simply deal with
this by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket?  giving a .025" to .030"
clearance between the top of tht piston and the head?

I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is going
to take.

Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico
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From malaboge at aol.com  Wed Apr 25 10:46:06 2012
From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:46:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] FW:  My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
In-Reply-To: <SNT134-W317C611EBD46C26996DFBF90270@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT134-W46DD51C93DA336B0E5C5B790270@phx.gbl>,
	<8CEF0C1CE37BD18-D28-2B44D@webmail-m131.sysops.aol.com>,
	<SNT134-W50F94863B76052D120A85B90270@phx.gbl>
	<SNT134-W317C611EBD46C26996DFBF90270@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CEF11A0B109260-2468-56F68@webmail-d034.sysops.aol.com>

Henry,

Well Carillo and J&E have been makin those bits for "a while now", so that's
prolly not the problem, but ya never know!.  Are these flat top pistons, or
the units with a "bar" across the top...or even "round top" pistons?  The
"bar" type will definitely protrude above the block.  The "round top" units
will also protrude above the block in the center and the "nose" that sticks
out between the valves on the head has to be slightly modified.  If they're
flat tops and every thing else measures OK, my bet is for decked block setup
for a flycut head...not an unknown setup on an MG motor.
Considering how marginal the head gasket setup is for MGA/B motors (and how
often it is the crux of between session thrashings) I don't think you're gonna
have a lot of success running a "fat" gasket.
Yeah 1622 blocks are getting a little scarce on the ground, so if it were
mine, I'd sell the J&E's and have another set made with a modified pin
position. Or, if there's enuf "meat" on the crown, cut 'em to fit.

ported and relieved, stroked and bored in Nor Cal
Nick






-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Morrison <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Apr 25, 2012 4:37 am
Subject: [Fot] FW: My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)


From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
o: malaboge at aol.com
ubject: RE: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
ate: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:29:13 -0600


GA 1622 cc Carrillo Rods, J & E pistons,  I didn't deck the block but the PO
ight have.....................Cheers Henry


To: dos_gusanos at msn.com
ubject: Re: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
rom: malaboge at aol.com
ate: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:14:28 -0400

K Henry...
ess up, whats this "brand X" motor?  More info needed here...
irst thoughts include:
ecked block
onger rods
rong pistons
ome hotrodders have been known to setup a motor like this with a flycut head
r????

-----Original Message-----
rom: Henry Morrison <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
o: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
ent: Tue, Apr 24, 2012 8:41 pm
ubject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)

ello engine rebuilding enthusiasts.  I have assembled the lower end of my
rand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a situation
here the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck.  Can I simply deal
ith
his by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket?  giving a .025" to .030"
learance between the top of tht piston and the head?
I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is going
o take.
Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Apr 25 14:42:51 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:42:51 +0000
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
In-Reply-To: <772659026-1335366486-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-75590544-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry>
References: <772659026-1335366486-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-75590544-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W6174407F7BD0DD58237187DF270@phx.gbl>

That is the exact same advice I gave him Mordy.

Never be beaten by equipment


> To: dos_gusanos at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net
> From: gasket.works at gte.net
> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:08:04 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
>
> A thicker gasket would be easiest.
>
> However, be mindful that combustion pressure is obviously greatest near TDC.
@ TDC the top compression ring will now have less cylinder space above it.
Somewhere I recall that the top ring should be about .100" below deck to
mitigate pressure blow-by. If there are other opinions I'm all ears. Not an
"engineer" (love this word and so appropriate for this topic)
> M
> ------Original Message------
> From: Henry Morrison
> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> To: FOT
> Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
> Sent: Apr 24, 2012 8:41 PM
>
> Hello engine rebuilding enthusiasts. I have assembled the lower end of my
> Brand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a
situation
> where the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck. Can I simply deal
with
> this by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket? giving a .025" to .030"
> clearance between the top of tht piston and the head?
>
> I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is
going
> to take.
>
> Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico
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From markvaden at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 15:04:04 2012
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:04:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Headers for TR4
Message-ID: <CAExoegk7OJX7y4Hf9Vj1PBYFb_Ux052QPtfH=Cyk6SnUsH38LQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

Who sells a good set of headers for TR4 race engine?

-Mark

From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Apr 25 15:35:54 2012
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:35:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Headers for TR4
In-Reply-To: <CAExoegk7OJX7y4Hf9Vj1PBYFb_Ux052QPtfH=Cyk6SnUsH38LQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAExoegk7OJX7y4Hf9Vj1PBYFb_Ux052QPtfH=Cyk6SnUsH38LQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000801cd232b$6557a120$3006e360$@com>

We purchased ours from Ted Schumacher at TS Imports.  We're very pleased
with it.  I was able to order it with a specified flange thickness (1/2
inch) to match up to the intake manifold flange so that the clamps would fit
properly without having to weld extra bits on the header flange or resort to
putting washers under the clamp ears.  I thought the price was right also.

Tim & Ryan Murphy
1961 TR-4 #317

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Mark Vaden
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:04 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Headers for TR4

Hi Everyone,

Who sells a good set of headers for TR4 race engine?

-Mark
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Thu Apr 26 19:38:59 2012
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:38:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Here's the latest scoop on the Mitty!
In-Reply-To: <61D52A6C2A6C4707831021128292BA54@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <1891886527.1679825.1335490739529.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Is an B Rv orB  enclosed trailer to tallB B  seems like a nice spot to set up
and shoot fromB  Stable and lots of room for equ. and an assistant.B B B B 
over an out.B B  robB B 
----- Original Message -----
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 7:13:15 PM
Subject: [Fot] Here's the latest scoop on the Mitty!

Everything is coming together very nicely, some of the details we need to
know are developing, so here goes...

The Panoramic Photo is happening Friday after the track goes quiet. The
picture will take place on the track, and it looks like we have a choice of
locations. No doubt it will be a keeper! Anyone who has ever participated in
one of these knows how time consuming the setup is, so everybody's patience
is appreciated. Our photographer will be Bob Lang, and we are trying to
secure a tall stepladder. If anyone has a stepladder taller than 6 feet and
can easily bring it, please email me off list!

We have several people coming that are looking for crew passes. If anyone
has any crew slots not being used, email me off list. If anyone needs a crew
pass, email me off list as well and we will see what we can work out.

Remember, if you are coming in your street Triumph and bought the Georgia
Triumph's entry, you do not need a crew pass. The GA Triumph credential gets
you anywhere crew can go!

I just found out the IMSA GTP cars will be over in the Pro Paddock with us.
There are only 15 of them, so don't worry, there will be plenty of room. I
think it will be great to have some very cool race cars in the paddock with
us! I should be getting a map, and will post it on the website when I get it
so there will be less confusion during setup.

Our hosts, Classic Motorsports has provided us with a canopy that will serve
as our Hospitality Tent. I think it will be 20X20. Speaking of our hosts, be
sure to thank Tim Suddard, Andy Reid, and the rest of the Classic
Motorsports crew for all their efforts. The amount of work involved to make
our part of this event go is huge, let alone the big picture.

I believe there will be a very short gathering in our Hospitality Tent on
Thursday night after the Test Day is done, more as that plan comes together.

Looking forward to seeing everybody again!

Cheers

Henry
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Apr 26 20:49:09 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:49:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Daydreaming
Message-ID: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>

While I obviously won't be there, at least I can wear my new shirt
and daydream about the event.

Thanks guys for the pleasant surprise in my mailbox!

mjb.

From mini at wi.rr.com  Thu Apr 26 22:25:57 2012
From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:25:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a TR6 engine in San Francisco area
Message-ID: <4F9A1FD5.1080700@wi.rr.com>

Looking for a good used engine for a TR6 in the San Francisco area. Good 
friend had a valve spring brake on her TR and the valve took out the 
whole engine. Looking to help her get her car back on the road.

Thanks

From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr 26 22:40:36 2012
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:40:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Daydreaming
Message-ID: <l52bh2s8gctdh2lih5n732bh.1335501636856@email.android.com>

If you can't get to Atlanta, go to Miller. ALMS there this weekend. Ran into a few crew members on my way through SLC going to California.

Doug
--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net

Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad

Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

>While I obviously won't be there, at least I can wear my new shirt
>and daydream about the event.
>
>Thanks guys for the pleasant surprise in my mailbox!
>
>mjb.
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 27 12:08:20 2012
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:08:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Daydreaming
Message-ID: <pjhr5n7sp5lxfbkj1y77t9vm.1335550100096@email.android.com>

Ok, I meant World Championship, not ALMS. Late night, long day.

Doug
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Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad

Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>If you can't get to Atlanta, go to Miller. ALMS there this weekend. Ran into a few crew members on my way through SLC going to California.
>
>Doug
>--
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>dmitchel at sbcglobal.net
>
>Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad

From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 27 14:04:38 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:04:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Daydreamingee
In-Reply-To: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>

It is hot...some guy in a 250K is running  3 sec faster than Quin Derby's spit
in2nd place.  Mark Wheatly is only 5 tents. Behind  Quin.  I am turning 58's
with Bob Kramer just just 2tenths behind. Wonder how he feels being behind his
old car?



Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 26, 2012, at 10:49 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

> While I obviously won't be there, at least I can wear my new shirt
> and daydream about the event.
>
> Thanks guys for the pleasant surprise in my mailbox!
>
> mjb.
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Fri Apr 27 14:47:07 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:47:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Daydreamingee
In-Reply-To: <B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>

I can answer that in one word. Motivated.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:04 PM, John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:

> car?

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 27 14:49:01 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:49:01 +0200
Subject: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....
In-Reply-To: <30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
	<30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <002701cd24b7$2e4150e0$8ac3f2a0$@com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Q6O5zGKrE&feature=share

Cheers
Chris

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Apr 27 15:44:57 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:44:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] The MITTY   THE KASTNER cUP
In-Reply-To: <B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <8CEF2D61F7CE181-2404-A529@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com>

 The John Hasty car looks good and well driven.

The Father/Son teams are doing well and to be cherished.

Some unfortunate  triumph attrition, but no injuries.

Kas has developed a short list already, but it is always a surprise at the
checker.

Lot's of interesting people here and always a great time talking to them.

Sean....is learning the track with his first two sessions ever here.  A fuel
handling problem distracted him somewhat, but he isolated the cause and fixed
it. No doubt he will move up in the pack somewhat in the next session, Always
does a great job.

Still hoping other son, Mark, will arrive on a plane today.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
To: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: Friends of Triumph <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Apr 27, 2012 3:05 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Daydreamingee


It is hot...some guy in a 250K is running  3 sec faster than Quin Derby's
spit
in2nd place.  Mark Wheatly is only 5 tents. Behind  Quin.  I am turning 58's
with Bob Kramer just just 2tenths behind. Wonder how he feels being behind
his
old car?



Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 26, 2012, at 10:49 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

> While I obviously won't be there, at least I can wear my new shirt
> and daydream about the event.
>
> Thanks guys for the pleasant surprise in my mailbox!
>
> mjb.
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From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 16:21:52 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:21:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Daydreamingee
In-Reply-To: <30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
	<30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNDyhGxw75c-Vd9UOZDEca5Mq10i++Xgpy1KsSzEA8O5RA@mail.gmail.com>

You all did catch that let is a Spit in second!
On Apr 27, 2012 4:47 PM, "Bob Kramer" <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> I can answer that in one word. Motivated.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:04 PM, John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:
>
> > car?
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Fri Apr 27 17:12:34 2012
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:12:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Daydreamingee
In-Reply-To: <CAMc4sNDyhGxw75c-Vd9UOZDEca5Mq10i++Xgpy1KsSzEA8O5RA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
	<30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
	<CAMc4sNDyhGxw75c-Vd9UOZDEca5Mq10i++Xgpy1KsSzEA8O5RA@mail.gmail.com>
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Oh yes, that awesome fact was noted!!!

Susan   :)

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2012, at 6:21 PM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley"
<triosan at gmail.com> wrote:

> You all did catch that let is a Spit in second!
> On Apr 27, 2012 4:47 PM, "Bob Kramer" <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I can answer that in one word. Motivated.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:04 PM, John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:
>>
>>> car?
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 27 18:09:13 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:09:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Daydreamingee
In-Reply-To: <30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
	<30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
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See ya @ 8:15

Sent from my iPhone

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> I can answer that in one word. Motivated.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:04 PM, John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:
> 
>> car?

From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 27 18:18:37 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:18:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....
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References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
	<30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
	<002701cd24b7$2e4150e0$8ac3f2a0$@com>
Message-ID: <38125A19-752C-4EB0-99F5-54D1D5AE01DD@gdhs.com>

Chris. What are those horrible Italian things on the right side of the motor?

Sent from my iPhone

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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Q6O5zGKrE&feature=share
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 27 19:45:35 2012
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:45:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Help needed at the Mitty...
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References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
	<30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
	<002701cd24b7$2e4150e0$8ac3f2a0$@com>
	<38125A19-752C-4EB0-99F5-54D1D5AE01DD@gdhs.com>
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Anyone got a right front brake caliper for a '75 TR6?  We lost one in the
endure this afternoon and the spares are at home...trying to get Joe out there
for the Cup tomorrow...this is for Lacey, the ChumpCar.

You can reach me at 919-278-8 four one two if you can help...thanks in
advance

Jamie Palmer
Squadron Leader
RiffRAF Racing


On Apr 27, 2012, at 8:18 PM, John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:

> Chris. What are those horrible Italian things on the right side of the
motor?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:49 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Q6O5zGKrE&feature=share
>>
>> Cheers
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Apr 27 20:53:42 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:53:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY    AND THE VTR   KASTNER CUP POSTERS
Message-ID: <8CEF3014140554F-2404-B755@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com>

 The Kastner Cup posters have arrived .    Come to the KASTNER CUP HOSPITALITY
TENT in the PRO - PADDOCK and pick up your KCUP POSTER as a VTR and FOT
MEMBER.

We will be here all day on Saturday. There will all kinds of interesting
characters available to sign.




Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Apr 27 21:18:26 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:18:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PRESENTATION-  Saturday
Message-ID: <8CEF304B5F7123F-2404-B847@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com>

stand by for media tower announcements.....we may have the presentation at the
Kastner Cup Hospitality Tent.

that makes sense for all of us that are racing, but it might be bit noisy.

on the other hand we will have posters, Kastner Cup, and racers close by.

it's the best plan i can come up with at the moment.......

next year will be a lot easier....this is such a huge event at ROAD ATLANTA

thanks to CLASSIC MOTORSPORTS for making this all happen.

AND for a non-organization we do very well. What a great bunch of folks.
Thank you all.




Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From cwnfot at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 19:37:42 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:37:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mitty
In-Reply-To: <000801cd232b$6557a120$3006e360$@com>
References: <CAExoegk7OJX7y4Hf9Vj1PBYFb_Ux052QPtfH=Cyk6SnUsH38LQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000801cd232b$6557a120$3006e360$@com>
Message-ID: <DB9EA369-C643-4635-934C-FF8367F30BB9@gmail.com>

Smartphone app Race Monitor will have real time scoring of Mitty races. FYI

Sent from my iPhone
Clark

From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Sat Apr 28 10:31:18 2012
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:31:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mitty
In-Reply-To: <DB9EA369-C643-4635-934C-FF8367F30BB9@gmail.com>
References: <CAExoegk7OJX7y4Hf9Vj1PBYFb_Ux052QPtfH=Cyk6SnUsH38LQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000801cd232b$6557a120$3006e360$@com>
	<DB9EA369-C643-4635-934C-FF8367F30BB9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0051B4A8-AAE1-4499-8EE5-968CA2819E6C@aol.com>

Cant connect.   It's the only I can be there.    I wish I could of gone!

On Apr 27, 2012, at 9:37 PM, "Clark W. Nicholls" <cwnfot at gmail.com> wrote:

> Smartphone app Race Monitor will have real time scoring of Mitty races. FYI
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> Clark
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Apr 28 13:31:43 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:31:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Team.Net web server
In-Reply-To: <4F9C4342.9000605@bradakis.com>
References: <4F9C4342.9000605@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4F9C459F.90402@bradakis.com>

While working on one problem I accidently caused another, as anyone who
tried to get to the forums, the mailman admin page, the donate link or
whatever during the last 12 hours or so would know.

The server is now responding, though the problems I was working on are still
unresolved.  I'd rather be at The Mitty!

mjb.

From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Sat Apr 28 17:11:02 2012
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:11:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Transportation
Message-ID: <139AEC3F-313D-4ACC-8BCA-AB0FF13A5E99@comcast.net>

Hello:

I know it's a long shot but worth asking, I may have a TR4 to ship from San
Francisco area to northern Illinois.  By chance will anyone have an empty
trailer going that route in the near future?  If not, any suggestions other
than the commercial car carriers?  Thanks.

Gary

From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Sat Apr 28 17:15:39 2012
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:15:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Car transport
Message-ID: <630B7DA6-4D1D-43FC-A244-703CB83D7F63@comcast.net>

Mistake on my last email, destination is Indiana not Illinois.

Gary

Sent from my iPad

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Apr 29 13:34:39 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:34:39 +0200
Subject: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....
In-Reply-To: <38125A19-752C-4EB0-99F5-54D1D5AE01DD@gdhs.com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
	<30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
	<002701cd24b7$2e4150e0$8ac3f2a0$@com>
	<38125A19-752C-4EB0-99F5-54D1D5AE01DD@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <000001cd263f$1fb76440$5f262cc0$@com>

Horrible?
They make it sound.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 28. April 2012 02:19
An: MadMarx
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Chris. What are those horrible Italian things on the right side of the
motor?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:49 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Q6O5zGKrE&feature=share
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Apr 29 13:46:16 2012
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 12:46:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....
In-Reply-To: <000001cd263f$1fb76440$5f262cc0$@com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com><B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com><30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com><002701cd24b7$2e4150e0$8ac3f2a0$@com><38125A19-752C-4EB0-99F5-54D1D5AE01DD@gdhs.com>
	<000001cd263f$1fb76440$5f262cc0$@com>
Message-ID: <DC533DDDCDC14D20A52ED7031B56EE48@Vista>

Doesn't take long to get the engine up to operating temperature with no
coolant in it.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 12:35 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Horrible?
They make it sound.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 28. April 2012 02:19
An: MadMarx
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Chris. What are those horrible Italian things on the right side of the
motor?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:49 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Q6O5zGKrE&feature=share
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Apr 29 13:49:00 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:49:00 +0200
Subject: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....
In-Reply-To: <DC533DDDCDC14D20A52ED7031B56EE48@Vista>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com><B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com><30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com><002701cd24b7$2e4150e0$8ac3f2a0$@com><38125A19-752C-4EB0-99F5-54D1D5AE01DD@gdhs.com>
	<000001cd263f$1fb76440$5f262cc0$@com>
	<DC533DDDCDC14D20A52ED7031B56EE48@Vista>
Message-ID: <000001cd2641$21bda9a0$6538fce0$@com>

Very true....that's why not to run it too long at this stage.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. April 2012 21:46
An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Doesn't take long to get the engine up to operating temperature with no
coolant in it.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 12:35 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Horrible?
They make it sound.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 28. April 2012 02:19
An: MadMarx
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Chris. What are those horrible Italian things on the right side of the
motor?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:49 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Q6O5zGKrE&feature=share
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Sun Apr 29 19:09:04 2012
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:09:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....
In-Reply-To: <000001cd2641$21bda9a0$6538fce0$@com>
Message-ID: <1335748144.86287.YahooMailClassic@web184417.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Chris: Was that first start of the engine? I have been lead to understand that
in the first  10-20 minutes of running we should not "blip" the throttle
because the cam/lifters are breaking in to each other...that this is the moost
critiical time for thhe engine. Do you use a different procedure?

Ed

--- On Sun, 4/29/12, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:


From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....
To: "'Friends of Triumph'" <FOT at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, April 29, 2012, 2:49 PM


Very true....that's why not to run it too long at this stage.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. April 2012 21:46
An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Doesn't take long to get the engine up to operating temperature with no
coolant in it.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 12:35 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Horrible?
They make it sound.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 28. April 2012 02:19
An: MadMarx
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Chris. What are those horrible Italian things on the right side of the
motor?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:49 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Q6O5zGKrE&feature=share
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Apr 29 21:00:55 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:00:55 -0600
Subject: [Fot] So....
Message-ID: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com>

Kastner Cup results?

mjb.

From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Apr 29 22:20:55 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 23:20:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] So....
In-Reply-To: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com>
References: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>

Kastner Cup went to Randy WIlliams

Mechanical casualty highlights
Ventilated blocks: Marty Sukey, Henry Frye
Lost valve or piston: Bobby Whitehead
Engine swaps: Bill Hart (Tony Garmey), Jerry Barker (still had
inexplicable head gasket problems afterwards)

Race results:
1. Tony Garmey, 250K
2. Mike Munson, TR-6 (nice flames in the paint)
3. Randy Williams, TR-3
4. Quinn Derby, Spit
5. Leigh Derby, Spit
6. Mark Wheatley, TR-4
7. George Wright, TR-4
8. Tony Drews, TR-4
9. David Cizmas, TR-6
10. Jim Stouffer, TR-6
11. Bob Kramer, TR-4
12. Greg Blake, TR-3
13. Greg Kimbrough, Spit
14. Jason Ostrowski, GT-6
15. Sean Alexander, TR-4
16. William Newman, GT-6
17. John Hasty, TR-3
18. Bill Collings, Spit
19. Bob Lembke, "66 Triumph Mk 2 1147" - Spit I assume
20. Joe Hovey, Spit
21. Robert DeAnes, TR-4
22. Bill Hart, Devin TR
23. Susan Kahler, Spit
24. John Hagen, TR-4
25. Henry Frye in Bill Dentinger's TR-3 (what a nice thing for Bill to do!)
26. George Michael Harmut, Spit
27. Bob Wismer, TR-4
28. Joseph Downer, TR-6
29. John Nikas in Dennis Delap's TR-4 (what a nice thing for Dennis to do!)
30. John Fridirici, TR-3
31. Jerry Barker, Spitfire

- Tony Drews

> Kastner Cup results?
>
> mjb.

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Apr 29 23:40:03 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 23:40:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] So....
In-Reply-To: <72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
References: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com>
	<72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <4F9E25B3.6080205@bradakis.com>

Thanks for the info.  I am sure we'll be hearing more from the participants
in the coming days as they get back home and decompress.

mjb.

From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Sun Apr 29 23:42:13 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 22:42:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] So....
In-Reply-To: <72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
References: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com>
	<72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3C55@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

Congratulations to the winners, meaning all of you who participated in this
terrific event.

Ed Dunn




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of tony at tonydrews.com
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:21 PM
To: Mark J Bradakis
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] So....

Kastner Cup went to Randy WIlliams

Mechanical casualty highlights
Ventilated blocks: Marty Sukey, Henry Frye Lost valve or piston: Bobby
Whitehead Engine swaps: Bill Hart (Tony Garmey), Jerry Barker (still had
inexplicable head gasket problems afterwards)

Race results:
1. Tony Garmey, 250K
2. Mike Munson, TR-6 (nice flames in the paint) 3. Randy Williams, TR-3 4.
Quinn Derby, Spit 5. Leigh Derby, Spit 6. Mark Wheatley, TR-4 7. George
Wright, TR-4 8. Tony Drews, TR-4 9. David Cizmas, TR-6 10. Jim Stouffer, TR-6
11. Bob Kramer, TR-4 12. Greg Blake, TR-3 13. Greg Kimbrough, Spit 14. Jason
Ostrowski, GT-6 15. Sean Alexander, TR-4 16. William Newman, GT-6 17. John
Hasty, TR-3 18. Bill Collings, Spit 19. Bob Lembke, "66 Triumph Mk 2 1147" -
Spit I assume 20. Joe Hovey, Spit 21. Robert DeAnes, TR-4 22. Bill Hart, Devin
TR 23. Susan Kahler, Spit 24. John Hagen, TR-4 25. Henry Frye in Bill
Dentinger's TR-3 (what a nice thing for Bill to do!) 26. George Michael
Harmut, Spit 27. Bob Wismer, TR-4 28. Joseph Downer, TR-6 29. John Nikas in
Dennis Delap's TR-4 (what a nice thing for Dennis to do!) 30. John Fridirici,
TR-3 31. Jerry Barker, Spitfire

- Tony Drews

> Kastner Cup results?
>
> mjb.
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 05:41:45 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:41:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mitty
In-Reply-To: <0051B4A8-AAE1-4499-8EE5-968CA2819E6C@aol.com>
References: <CAExoegk7OJX7y4Hf9Vj1PBYFb_Ux052QPtfH=Cyk6SnUsH38LQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000801cd232b$6557a120$3006e360$@com>
	<DB9EA369-C643-4635-934C-FF8367F30BB9@gmail.com>
	<0051B4A8-AAE1-4499-8EE5-968CA2819E6C@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004201cd26c6$393e0b80$abba2280$@com>

Hopefully this will help.
A friend is monitoring the races from CT using his Smartphone, so it is
possible...

http://www.race-monitor.com/Home/FAQ 

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
"Reality, it's not what you think."

From cwnfot at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 05:56:45 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:56:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] So....
In-Reply-To: <72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
References: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com>
	<72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <004501cd26c8$51c608e0$f5521aa0$@com>

John Hasty, TR-3, should get a "Hard Charger" or "most fun" award!
He started at the rear since the grid was based on the morning Qualifying
session only and his "let's try this" didn't work. He had a ball moving up.

The event was great! Kudos to the FOT!
I had a lot of fun chatting with the Slagles in particular and catching up
from decades ago!
Also great to see Dick Gilmartin since he left the Lime Rock area a few
years ago.
http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/DickGilmartin.htm 
And Jerry Barker, and Jim Reeves and ..... Wow!
And of course the other usual suspects...
Anyone see Ric Cline?

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
"Reality, it's not what you think."


-----Original Message-----

Race results:
1. Tony Garmey, 250K
2. Mike Munson, TR-6 (nice flames in the paint)
3. Randy Williams, TR-3
4. Quinn Derby, Spit
5. Leigh Derby, Spit
6. Mark Wheatley, TR-4
7. George Wright, TR-4
8. Tony Drews, TR-4
9. David Cizmas, TR-6
10. Jim Stouffer, TR-6
11. Bob Kramer, TR-4
12. Greg Blake, TR-3
13. Greg Kimbrough, Spit
14. Jason Ostrowski, GT-6
15. Sean Alexander, TR-4
16. William Newman, GT-6
17. John Hasty, TR-3
18. Bill Collings, Spit
19. Bob Lembke, "66 Triumph Mk 2 1147" - Spit I assume
20. Joe Hovey, Spit
21. Robert DeAnes, TR-4
22. Bill Hart, Devin TR
23. Susan Kahler, Spit
24. John Hagen, TR-4
25. Henry Frye in Bill Dentinger's TR-3 (what a nice thing for Bill to do!)
26. George Michael Harmut, Spit
27. Bob Wismer, TR-4
28. Joseph Downer, TR-6
29. John Nikas in Dennis Delap's TR-4 (what a nice thing for Dennis to do!)
30. John Fridirici, TR-3
31. Jerry Barker, Spitfire

- Tony Drews

From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Apr 30 10:05:28 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:05:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] So....
In-Reply-To: <72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
References: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com>
	<72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <40D67601CDF0412F99B2696730D80B40@gdhs.local>

Congrats to Randy....just wish my 3A was as fast as his or perhaps it should
be, wish I was as fast as he is! 


John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
719 East Boulevard
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
Tele: (704) 372-5600
Fax: (704) 372-4601
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From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of tony at tonydrews.com
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 12:21 AM
To: Mark J Bradakis
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] So....

Kastner Cup went to Randy WIlliams

Mechanical casualty highlights
Ventilated blocks: Marty Sukey, Henry Frye Lost valve or piston: Bobby
Whitehead Engine swaps: Bill Hart (Tony Garmey), Jerry Barker (still had
inexplicable head gasket problems afterwards)

Race results:
1. Tony Garmey, 250K
2. Mike Munson, TR-6 (nice flames in the paint) 3. Randy Williams, TR-3 4.
Quinn Derby, Spit 5. Leigh Derby, Spit 6. Mark Wheatley, TR-4 7. George
Wright, TR-4 8. Tony Drews, TR-4 9. David Cizmas, TR-6 10. Jim Stouffer,
TR-6 11. Bob Kramer, TR-4 12. Greg Blake, TR-3 13. Greg Kimbrough, Spit 14.
Jason Ostrowski, GT-6 15. Sean Alexander, TR-4 16. William Newman, GT-6 17.
John Hasty, TR-3 18. Bill Collings, Spit 19. Bob Lembke, "66 Triumph Mk 2
1147" - Spit I assume 20. Joe Hovey, Spit 21. Robert DeAnes, TR-4 22. Bill
Hart, Devin TR 23. Susan Kahler, Spit 24. John Hagen, TR-4 25. Henry Frye in
Bill Dentinger's TR-3 (what a nice thing for Bill to do!) 26. George Michael
Harmut, Spit 27. Bob Wismer, TR-4 28. Joseph Downer, TR-6 29. John Nikas in
Dennis Delap's TR-4 (what a nice thing for Dennis to do!) 30. John
Fridirici, TR-3 31. Jerry Barker, Spitfire

- Tony Drews

> Kastner Cup results?
>
> mjb.
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Apr 30 10:52:15 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:52:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Congrats to all at the Mitty/K-Cup
Message-ID: <1680098839.1692028.1335804735081.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Congratulations to all, it sounds like a great weekend except for some engine failures. 

Was the 2013 K-Cup Race location announced over the weekend ? 



jim g 

From triosan at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 10:52:15 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:52:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] K Cup '12 some Photos
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNC3x=JXxe=PNEAs8xqNPo6G2Gm+gQ0Y2+x+z7PcyAbSpQ@mail.gmail.com>

I took over a thousand -- will spend a week editing and arranging.  Thought
To post a few.  they are at:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737230335039145089
.

My favorrite was the father and son team of Quinn [son] and Leigh Derby
driving insanely fast spits.  They came in 4/5th respectively -- with dad
having the fastest time -- in the 1:49 range -- just spectacular.  Randy
not only drove the TR3's wheels off, he finished the K Cup and immediately
jumped into his E Jag for the next race.  Immaculately prepared and
presented cars.  He did pass Mike Munson a couple of times  -- nad Mike is
a great driver of an SCCA prepared TR6.  The 75 car [Newman Tribute]
unfortunately crashed had into a wall on the esses during the fist
practice.  The strat was spectacular and if Jerry Barker's Spit had held
together we would have had a different order of finish -- he is the white
one in the start picture and came from 8th or so to 2nd on the front
straight [maybe 3rd, did not see what happened between he and Munson going
up the hill after turn 1.

Much more reporting to come.  Wish I got to drive, but sure appreciate
Henry getting me a media pass so I could roam the track taking pictures.

Chuck ['69 TR6]

On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Clark W. Nicholls <cwnfot at gmail.com> wrote:

> John Hasty, TR-3, should get a "Hard Charger" or "most fun" award!
> He started at the rear since the grid was based on the morning Qualifying
> session only and his "let's try this" didn't work. He had a ball moving up.
>
> The event was great! Kudos to the FOT!
> I had a lot of fun chatting with the Slagles in particular and catching up
> from decades ago!
> Also great to see Dick Gilmartin since he left the Lime Rock area a few
> years ago.
> http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/DickGilmartin.htm
> And Jerry Barker, and Jim Reeves and ..... Wow!
> And of course the other usual suspects...
> Anyone see Ric Cline?
>
> Clark
> Clark W. Nicholls
> 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U)
> and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
> "Reality, it's not what you think."
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Race results:
> 1. Tony Garmey, 250K
> 2. Mike Munson, TR-6 (nice flames in the paint)
> 3. Randy Williams, TR-3
> 4. Quinn Derby, Spit
> 5. Leigh Derby, Spit
> 6. Mark Wheatley, TR-4
> 7. George Wright, TR-4
> 8. Tony Drews, TR-4
> 9. David Cizmas, TR-6
> 10. Jim Stouffer, TR-6
> 11. Bob Kramer, TR-4
> 12. Greg Blake, TR-3
> 13. Greg Kimbrough, Spit
> 14. Jason Ostrowski, GT-6
> 15. Sean Alexander, TR-4
> 16. William Newman, GT-6
> 17. John Hasty, TR-3
> 18. Bill Collings, Spit
> 19. Bob Lembke, "66 Triumph Mk 2 1147" - Spit I assume
> 20. Joe Hovey, Spit
> 21. Robert DeAnes, TR-4
> 22. Bill Hart, Devin TR
> 23. Susan Kahler, Spit
> 24. John Hagen, TR-4
> 25. Henry Frye in Bill Dentinger's TR-3 (what a nice thing for Bill to do!)
> 26. George Michael Harmut, Spit
> 27. Bob Wismer, TR-4
> 28. Joseph Downer, TR-6
> 29. John Nikas in Dennis Delap's TR-4 (what a nice thing for Dennis to do!)
> 30. John Fridirici, TR-3
> 31. Jerry Barker, Spitfire
>
> - Tony Drews
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From jhd11 at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 30 11:48:31 2012
From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:48:31 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mitty Musings
Message-ID: <COL118-W506CBC5B9EDC1F2937B941A9280@phx.gbl>

     Just a quick note to say how much I enjoyed the weekend and a big Thank
You to all those that made it possible.  I really appreciate those people that
helped our team make this a possibility when they could have easily said you
are not welcome.  I hoped that we showed that we are just like everybody else
in the group...Triumph Racers!

     I need to say thanks to a couple of FOT members especially, Marty Sukey
and David Cizmas.  Without their willingness to help us with parts we did not
have, we would have been on the trailer for the race.  I am sure if I had
asked any other FOT member, the result would have been the same.  To me, this
is what racing is all about.  Gentleman, I hope to be able to return the favor
some day.  Also thanks to Ted Schumacher.

     Lastly, thanks to my team mates, Jack McGahey and Jamie Palmer and Kevin
Andrews.  I could not have done it without you!  Hopefully, next time we can
move up a little in the finishing order!

Joe Downer
Charlotte, N.C.
#0 TR6
RiffRAF Racing

From triosan at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 12:54:07 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:54:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] New link to FOT Mitty 12/Kas Cup sample photos
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNAbQa0Hqg-x8Nf6Q_WXD=R3O5af_-QFgUzuFv1B2baXHA@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry the first link did not work.  Pretty sure this one does:

https://plus.google.com/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737230335039145089?authkey=CN_L7IOOzO-PHg

someone let me know.

-- 
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Apr 30 13:08:04 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:08:04 +0200
Subject: [Fot] 2nd action on my rebuild engine....
In-Reply-To: <1335790323.25276.YahooMailClassic@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <000901cd26a3$38dffae0$aa9ff0a0$@com>
	<1335790323.25276.YahooMailClassic@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000701cd2704$9501fba0$bf05f2e0$@com>

Hi,

today I had the first roll out.
As there were some comments about my rude way of working the engineb&b&after
rolling out of town I gave on an uphill section full throttle in high gear to
force the engine to steam against the hill, rubbing the piston rings heavy to
the sleeves. Just to make them seat well. As I was occasionally far beyond the
allowed speed I provide this video from a more secret account:

https://plus.google.com/photos/102440903029299386312/albums/57055813641005425
13/5737262283241900450


Cheers
Chris

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Apr 30 13:44:31 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:44:31 +0200
Subject: [Fot] 2nd action on my rebuild engine....
References: <000901cd26a3$38dffae0$aa9ff0a0$@com>
	<1335790323.25276.YahooMailClassic@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <000801cd2709$ab4ab000$01e01000$@com>

Does this link work:

https://plus.google.com/102440903029299386312/videos



-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 30. April 2012 21:08
An: 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: 2nd action on my rebuild engine....

Hi,

today I had the first roll out.
As there were some comments about my rude way of working the engineb&b&after
rolling out of town I gave on an uphill section full throttle in high gear to
force the engine to steam against the hill, rubbing the piston rings heavy to
the sleeves. Just to make them seat well. As I was occasionally far beyond the
allowed speed I provide this video from a more secret account:

https://plus.google.com/photos/102440903029299386312/albums/57055813641005425
13/5737262283241900450


Cheers
Chris

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Apr 30 13:51:49 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:51:49 +0200
Subject: [Fot] 2nd action on my rebuild engine....
References: <000901cd26a3$38dffae0$aa9ff0a0$@com>
	<1335790323.25276.YahooMailClassic@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>  
Message-ID: <000901cd270a$b1f397e0$15dac7a0$@com>

These google accounts doesn't work properly.

http://youtu.be/5K-CHgyHNoE



-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 30. April 2012 21:45
An: 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: AW: 2nd action on my rebuild engine....

Does this link work:

https://plus.google.com/102440903029299386312/videos



-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 30. April 2012 21:08
An: 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: 2nd action on my rebuild engine....

Hi,

today I had the first roll out.
As there were some comments about my rude way of working the engineb&b&after
rolling out of town I gave on an uphill section full throttle in high gear to
force the engine to steam against the hill, rubbing the piston rings heavy to
the sleeves. Just to make them seat well. As I was occasionally far beyond the
allowed speed I provide this video from a more secret account:

https://plus.google.com/photos/102440903029299386312/albums/57055813641005425
13/5737262283241900450


Cheers
Chris

From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Apr 30 14:05:15 2012
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:05:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] New link to FOT Mitty 12/Kas Cup sample photos
References: <CAMc4sNAbQa0Hqg-x8Nf6Q_WXD=R3O5af_-QFgUzuFv1B2baXHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FE716AF837994A7BB7D8CA09FFA46D7D@Charly>

It works!
Charly Mitchel
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" <triosan at gmail.com>
To: "Friends" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 11:54 AM
Subject: [Fot] New link to FOT Mitty 12/Kas Cup sample photos


> Sorry the first link did not work.  Pretty sure this one does:
>
> https://plus.google.com/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737230335039145089?authkey=CN_L7IOOzO-PHg
>
> someone let me know.
>
> -- 
> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Apr 30 14:15:39 2012
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:15:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] New link to FOT Mitty 12/Kas Cup sample photos
In-Reply-To: <CAMc4sNAbQa0Hqg-x8Nf6Q_WXD=R3O5af_-QFgUzuFv1B2baXHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <428952370.1517776.1335816939820.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Beautiful shots, Chuck. 
Can hardly wait to see more. 
Thanks for taking and posting them. 
Dave H. 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" <triosan at gmail.com> 
To: "Friends" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 11:54:07 AM 
Subject: [Fot] New link to FOT Mitty 12/Kas Cup sample photos 

Sorry the first link did not work. Pretty sure this one does: 

https://plus.google.com/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737230335039145089?authkey=CN_L7IOOzO-PHg 

someone let me know. 

-- 
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley 
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From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Apr 30 16:47:18 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:47:18 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
Message-ID: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>

I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.

Never be beaten by equipment

From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Apr 30 17:24:23 2012
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:24:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
References: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D8DBF58FDA3949A58A04534B96E633AC@Charly>

2nd.
Charly Mitchel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>; "Suzanne Winters" <sarcee at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 3:47 PM
Subject: [Fot] Nimination


>I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
> TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's 
> crazy
> too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great 
> expertise.
> I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
> girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and 
> stuff.
>
> Never be beaten by equipment
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Mon Apr 30 17:27:47 2012
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:27:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F9F1FF3.6060902@141.com>

SECOND!!!!!!!!!!!!! We can certainly use another crazy-about-Triumphs 
lady on here!   :D

And thanks for the great job with Kas' web site, Suzanne! Welcome to the 
list!

Keep Triumphing,

Susan      :)


On 4/30/2012 6:47 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:
> I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
> TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
> too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
> I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
> girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.
>
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From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Mon Apr 30 17:27:23 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:27:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3C6B@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

Any friend of Kas is in. Seconded!

Edward Dunn

Quality Fuel Trailer & Tank, Inc.
1611 S. Rancho Santa Fe Road,  Suite C
San Marcos, CA 92078

800-509-1904  x.12



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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Kas Kastner
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 3:47 PM
To: fot; Suzanne Winters
Subject: [Fot] Nimination

I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.

Never be beaten by equipment
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From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 30 17:34:45 2012
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?dHlsZXJwdGhvbXBzb25AeWFob28uY29t?=)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:34:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Nimination?=
Message-ID: <550559.87359.bm@smtp220.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Definitely.  If she is your pal, she must be a Triumph nut.  

Ty

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>, "Suzanne Winters" <sarcee at gmail.com>
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
Date: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 4:47 pm


I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.

Never be beaten by equipment
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Mon Apr 30 17:34:21 2012
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:34:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F9F217D.60706@cfl.rr.com>

A second here!!

Bob Davis

On 4/30/12 6:47 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:
> I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
> TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
> too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
> I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
> girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.
>
> Never be beaten by equipment
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>
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 30 17:53:25 2012
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:53:25 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
Message-ID: <987744.1335830005939.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I second the nomination.  Welcome Suzanne.

~Steve Belfer


-----Original Message-----
>From: Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>
>Sent: Apr 30, 2012 3:47 PM
>To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>, Suzanne Winters <sarcee at gmail.com>
>Subject: [Fot] Nimination
>
>I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
>TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
>too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
>I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
>girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.
>
>Never be beaten by equipment
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Apr 30 18:12:41 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:12:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
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Sure if she meets your goals must be a great addition.  Nice chatting with you
Sat.  Great choice for the cup....

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:47 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:

> I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
> TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's
crazy
> too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great
expertise.
> I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
> girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and
stuff.
>
> Never be beaten by equipment
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Apr 30 18:26:59 2012
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:26:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <086501cd2731$1fe82240$5fb866c0$@rr.com>

> By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and
> stuff.

Never let someone drive you nuts, when you know it's within walking
distance!

Welcome to the asylum, Suzanne!

-- Randall 

From gasket.works at gte.net  Mon Apr 30 19:10:06 2012
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 01:10:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
Message-ID: <1676352936-1335834611-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-783813515-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry>

Just have to play on the alliteration.  

As nominations go Suzanne's nimination is a perfect fit to our fot.

M
------Original Message------
From: Kas
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: FOT
To: Suzanne Winters
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
Sent: Apr 30, 2012 3:47 PM

I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.

Never be beaten by equipment
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Apr 30 19:45:58 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:45:58 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F9F4056.3030401@bradakis.com>

Kas Kastner wrote:
> I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
> TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
> too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
> I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
> girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.
>
>

Okay, she's on the list.  And as an editor for various newsletters
over the years I can relate to the efforts involved in getting
timely content out of folks!

mjb.

From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Apr 30 21:17:47 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:17:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] New link to FOT Mitty 12/Kas Cup sample photos
In-Reply-To: <428952370.1517776.1335816939820.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <428952370.1517776.1335816939820.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4F9F55DB.4070600@bradakis.com>

Nice pics.  I put up the photo of the start and just sat and looked at 
it for
a while, thinking of all sorts of things Triumph, like what a great group of
people we have.

Thank you all for being who you are.

mjb.

From igofaster at att.net  Sun Apr  1 17:32:46 2012
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:32:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spit engine progress
In-Reply-To: <49CD7D2720FA45009CF9B8DFDFF77501@bkolnzPC>
References: <49CD7D2720FA45009CF9B8DFDFF77501@bkolnzPC>
Message-ID: <1333323166.84043.YahooMailRC@web180804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

After the weekend at TWS and nothing blowing up, I came home and wrestled the 
oil leak on the front of the car. Machine shop had stripped out one of the 
mounting bolts of my alloy plate. I had another ARE engine plate which I 
installed. The front seal mount was also a bit out of being flush with the bare 
engine front so I tapped it back into position and mounted the timing cover and 
front ancillaries back into position. Still a small leak from the timing cover 
but after pulling all that stuff off and on twice, I can live with a small drip 
for now. 

I also found some more jets for the Mikuni's (sp) and I've taken the GT6 back up 
to Pinnacle Motorsports at ECR for a few more dyno runs and fine tuning. Gregg 
Rodgers wanted to add about 4" to the steering column to bring the steering 
wheel closer to me. The Kirkey seat sets real high in my arm pits and I'm 
bruising after a weekend in that area. My belts are up this year and Gregg 
recommended a nice set of the Schroth 5 point harness set up... can't wait.... I 
want to bring up my Miata for track day at Cresson MSR on the 14th... ready , 
set , GO!
    Bobby Whitehead
#39 DP Triumph GT-6+




________________________________
From: William Collins <bkolnz at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Spit engine progress

 
Hey Gang,
 
Looks like I'm on track for the 14th track day  at MSR,,, and then the 
Mitty.       Hovman and I  have been spending a few hours during the week 
bringing along the build in a  concise and accurate pace.   I'm thinking a start 
up next  week-end,  and if good,   odds and ends for until the  14th.    

 
Any news from U's guys?
 
Bill


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Sun Apr  1 20:49:27 2012
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 21:49:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Cracked Head, can it be repaired?
Message-ID: <000001cd107b$38d41f60$aa7c5e20$@com>

I forgot to hit "Reply All".  I was curious on comments from the list
regarding the power loss due to not porting the inlet and exhausts versus
doing the work on the combustion chambers after having the head milled.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Murphy [mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:24 PM
To: 'Tony Drews'
Subject: RE: [Fot] Cracked Head, can it be repaired?

Is there a water passage right above that part of the head and if so about
how thick is the material in that area to be welded?  If it's pretty thin in
that area due to milling the head I'd think it'd be a pretty tough job
welding it up.  Sort of like trying to weld or braze sheet metal when it's
partially rusted and not much metal left I'd think.

Tim

P.S. I've been looking at our spare heads and the intake ports all look
pretty smooth.  The exhaust ports are rougher on the surface but no big
protrusions of "slag" from casting in them. Just milling a head, and
grinding the valves, if the seats are good, and I'd think you could get by
for the Mitty.  I don't know how much power it would cost you by not doing
the full porting job but at least you could do the Mitty.  It would seem
that the work in the combustion chamber per Kas's books would be more
important than the porting, but that's just a really uninformed guess on my
part!  I'm sure there are others on the list that can better comment on
that.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 5:17 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Cracked Head, can it be repaired?

I found the source of my "head gasket" leaks - a cracked head.  It's 
cracked around the inner circumference of where it meets the liner in 
#4 cylinder.

Picture is here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/2012_0331Head_Crack0007.JPG

Is this something that can be fixed, or should I start brushing up on 
my head porting techniques and build another head?

Thanks, Tony Drews
Hoping to make the Mitty still...
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Apr  2 01:14:55 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 09:14:55 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Cracked Head, can it be repaired?
In-Reply-To: <20120331223505.0477F2D08D0@autox.team.net>
References: <20120331223505.0477F2D08D0@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000601cd10a0$50c67e90$f2537bb0$@com>

I would say this spot is a dangerous area.
If any welding is done it might not help and the whole deck could collapse
and would ruin your whole engine.
If it were me I would move on to a new head.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Tony Drews
Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. April 2012 00:17
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Cracked Head, can it be repaired?

I found the source of my "head gasket" leaks - a cracked head.  It's
cracked around the inner circumference of where it meets the liner in
#4 cylinder.

Picture is here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/2012_0331Head_Crack0007.JPG

Is this something that can be fixed, or should I start brushing up on
my head porting techniques and build another head?

Thanks, Tony Drews
Hoping to make the Mitty still...
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From craigl at leinickegroup.com  Mon Apr  2 13:01:59 2012
From: craigl at leinickegroup.com (Craig Leinicke)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:01:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dyno Results
Message-ID: <CB9F61D7.C279%craigl@leinickegroup.com>

I finally came up with 4 pistons and eight valves that were happy together
and put my TR7 Land Speed Car on the chassis dyno at Carma Performance in
Nashville, TN. The car made 103 rear wheel HP on the first pull.
After re-jetting the webers and adjusting the timing the car made 108.2 HP
at the rear wheels and 120ft. lbs of torque between 3750 and 4250 rpm.

I hope to post video and print outs of the test soon.
My question is... With these numbers in hand... What would the engine be
making at the flywheel?

Thanks in Advance
Craig Leinicke
Flashback Racing


From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Mon Apr  2 13:26:41 2012
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:26:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dyno Results
Message-ID: <380-22012412192641448@M2W119.mail2web.com>

Hi Craig,

I have always heard 12-15% loss from flywheel to rear tires for manuals and
17-20% loss for automatics is generally the rule of thumb. But there are
much more educated folks out there who will hopefully give you some more
specific info!

Congrats on the completion and the output! Sounds great!   :D

Keep Triumphing,
Susan     :)



Original Message:
-----------------
From: Craig Leinicke craigl at leinickegroup.com
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:01:59 -0500
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dyno Results


I finally came up with 4 pistons and eight valves that were happy together
and put my TR7 Land Speed Car on the chassis dyno at Carma Performance in
Nashville, TN. The car made 103 rear wheel HP on the first pull.
After re-jetting the webers and adjusting the timing the car made 108.2 HP
at the rear wheels and 120ft. lbs of torque between 3750 and 4250 rpm.

I hope to post video and print outs of the test soon.
My question is... With these numbers in hand... What would the engine be
making at the flywheel?

Thanks in Advance
Craig Leinicke
Flashback Racing
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From harmug at us.ibm.com  Mon Apr  2 14:30:41 2012
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 16:30:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Camber
Message-ID: <OFD60E0588.AD3743F7-ON852579D4.00703B87-852579D4.0070ADFF@us.ibm.com>

I was sent a few links today, one that ties in nicely with the rear
suspension thread from the weekend.

I signed up for a free series of video lectures, Safe is Fast, from Bobby
Rahal. They just came out with some new ones, the first is basic chassis
setup and a second one on cockpit design and layout. They're by race
engineers and drivers, interesting insights and solid information.

 One side fact I found interesting in the cockpit vid. For years at the
Rolex, I always saw a blue light from the cockpits of the Prototype cars. I
thought it was some kind pilot light, maybe fire system is armed, on the
rear firewall. It turns out it's a blacklight that's used to illuminate the
fluorescent tape switch labels on the dash at night and not ruin the
drivers night vision.

http://safeisfast.com/sections/8-race-car-systems-and-dynamics/videos/30-basic-chassis-set-up-1

http://safeisfast.com/sections/8-race-car-systems-and-dynamics/videos/28-cockpit-management

mike h

63 spit, almost ready for the mitty


From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Apr  2 15:28:32 2012
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:28:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dyno Results
In-Reply-To: <CB9F61D7.C279%craigl@leinickegroup.com>
References: <CB9F61D7.C279%craigl@leinickegroup.com>
Message-ID: <BAY164-ds1421AEE6515AD92BE64D6EC34C0@phx.gbl>

Add roughly 15%

Terry Stetler
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Craig Leinicke<mailto:craigl at leinickegroup.com>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 3:01 PM
  Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dyno Results


  I finally came up with 4 pistons and eight valves that were happy together
  and put my TR7 Land Speed Car on the chassis dyno at Carma Performance in
  Nashville, TN. The car made 103 rear wheel HP on the first pull.
  After re-jetting the webers and adjusting the timing the car made 108.2 HP
  at the rear wheels and 120ft. lbs of torque between 3750 and 4250 rpm.

  I hope to post video and print outs of the test soon.
  My question is... With these numbers in hand... What would the engine be
  making at the flywheel?

  Thanks in Advance
  Craig Leinicke
  Flashback Racing
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Apr  2 15:59:21 2012
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 16:59:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance
Message-ID: <000501cd111b$dca19aa0$95e4cfe0$@com>

I took our head up to a machine shop in Appleton, WI to have it checked for
cracks and primarily to get the valves ground.  Here is what the machinist
has reported to me:

 

Intake valve guides a little loose                Intake valve stems okay

 

Exhaust valve guides okay                           Exhaust valves about
0.001 wear on the stem

 

The intake valves are a nice fit into the exhaust guides.  This is not the
usual type of wear he sees on the more common (Chevy and Ford V-8's) that he
works on.

 

Question:  What is the "normal" clearance valve stem to valve guide for the
TR4 engine when used for racing?  To put it another way, can we run the
engine with the intake guides loose and the 0.001 wear on the exhaust valve
stems?  And, is this the usual wear pattern on the TR4 engine?

 

 We are running a stock crank with stock rods, all balanced, and forged
WISECO pistons with 87 mm liners from Ken Gilanders.  We try to keep to a
5500 RPM redline with occasional use of 6000 for overtaking.  For what it's
worth we have a 4.3 rear end and overdrive.

 

I recall a discussion on the list some time ago regarding different
materials being used for guides and a problem with getting the proper
clearance.  As I recall, a number of folks were using these guides and
unfortunately had valves get stuck with somewhat disastrous results.  I
think the guides were bronze or some alloy with bronze in it.  I don't
recall any discussion on clearance for stock valves and stock guides.  My
gut feel is that I'd rather have the guides/valves a little loose than have
a valve stick and destroy the head and maybe the rest of the engine.

 

Thanks for your help,

 

Tim & Ryan Murphy

1961 TR4  #317


From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Apr  2 16:47:07 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 16:47:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dyno Results
In-Reply-To: <BAY164-ds1421AEE6515AD92BE64D6EC34C0@phx.gbl>
References: <CB9F61D7.C279%craigl@leinickegroup.com>
	<BAY164-ds1421AEE6515AD92BE64D6EC34C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F7A2C6B.9090402@bradakis.com>

 > I finally came up with 4 pistons and eight valves that were happy 
together
 > and put my TR7 Land Speed Car on the chassis dyno

Are you aware of land-speed at autox.team.net ?

mjb.


From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Mon Apr  2 19:10:50 2012
From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:10:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance
References: <000501cd111b$dca19aa0$95e4cfe0$@com>
Message-ID: <72AA3E0F4364462788E8C6A6FACEE4E8@TER2>

For stock cast iron guides the clearances listed in the shop manual are 
fine. .0015 to .002" inlet and ..002 to .0025" on the exhaust. The engine 
should run ok sith up to .0015" additional clearance on each valve.  The 
problem that we have found with the iron guides is when using a high lift, 
fast acting racing cam, with additional spring pressure, The guides tend to 
wear very fast. We found up to .004" wear in 4 or 5 race weekends. Then the 
valves stop sealing as well and the engine looses power.
    It does not sound like you have a setup that required a better quality 
guide. Don't use valve stem seals and keep an eye on the wear as time 
passes.
                                                                             
                                        Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <rpm724 at att.net>; <ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 2:59 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance


>I took our head up to a machine shop in Appleton, WI to have it checked for
> cracks and primarily to get the valves ground.  Here is what the machinist
> has reported to me:
>
>
>
> Intake valve guides a little loose                Intake valve stems okay
>
>
>
> Exhaust valve guides okay                           Exhaust valves about
> 0.001 wear on the stem
>
>
>
> The intake valves are a nice fit into the exhaust guides.  This is not the
> usual type of wear he sees on the more common (Chevy and Ford V-8's) that 
> he
> works on.
>
>
>
> Question:  What is the "normal" clearance valve stem to valve guide for 
> the
> TR4 engine when used for racing?  To put it another way, can we run the
> engine with the intake guides loose and the 0.001 wear on the exhaust 
> valve
> stems?  And, is this the usual wear pattern on the TR4 engine?
>
>
>
> We are running a stock crank with stock rods, all balanced, and forged
> WISECO pistons with 87 mm liners from Ken Gilanders.  We try to keep to a
> 5500 RPM redline with occasional use of 6000 for overtaking.  For what 
> it's
> worth we have a 4.3 rear end and overdrive.
>
>
>
> I recall a discussion on the list some time ago regarding different
> materials being used for guides and a problem with getting the proper
> clearance.  As I recall, a number of folks were using these guides and
> unfortunately had valves get stuck with somewhat disastrous results.  I
> think the guides were bronze or some alloy with bronze in it.  I don't
> recall any discussion on clearance for stock valves and stock guides.  My
> gut feel is that I'd rather have the guides/valves a little loose than 
> have
> a valve stick and destroy the head and maybe the rest of the engine.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
>
>
> Tim & Ryan Murphy
>
> 1961 TR4  #317
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From Jfrymark at aol.com  Tue Apr  3 12:05:06 2012
From: Jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:05:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VARA High Desert Challenge races
Message-ID: <4C206392-9379-41BC-A487-18E2B10EAEA4@aol.com>

The lower West Coast FoT racers had a good turnout for the VARA race  
last weekend at Willow Springs International Raceway. Thanks to  
sponsorship by Joe Siam of Chequered Flag  Racing, and John Wilkins,  
an All-Triumph race was held on Saturday marking the 60th Anniversary  
of TR and the 50th of the Spitfire. We had 13 entries (6 Spits mostly/ 
all? from Joe's stable) with Gary Shuman taking top honors. Kas  
Kastner and Peggy were there to congratulate the drivers.

Sunday started windy, but nice, and I took my new GoPro out and played  
camera car during our untimed morning practice session getting good  
clips of Steve Belfer, Mordy Dunst, and Paul Smock at speed. I posted  
video at:

http://youtu.be/OZw_RJA4Hsc

Sunday's Group 1 flag race was crazy with spinning cars and an  
unfortunate early ending due to an accident that involved TR driver  
Frank Daley. Frank was following me when the Morgan that spun on lap 4  
cut back across track narrowly missing me but Frank "T-boned" it.  
Thankfully nobody was hurt, but Frank's TR4 and the Morgan were  
heavily damaged. I posted video at:

http://youtu.be/EeY7ejloymk

John Frymark
VARA DP #67 TR4A


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Apr  3 20:20:48 2012
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 21:20:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Valve guides
Message-ID: <000001cd1209$8ed87b10$ac897130$@com>

Thanks to all who responded to my questions regarding valve guides and
clearances.  I just realized that we had 17 race weekends on that cylinder
head!  I'm just learning at what point various things like valve grinds and
guide replacement should be done.  Based on what we're seeing so far, doing
the valves every 8 or 9 races should work for us.  We also had a hole burned
in the head gasket where the shroud was cut away around the inlet valve on
#2 cylinder.  So a new head gasket every 8 or 9 races should hopefully solve
that problem also.  The head gasket had 11 race weekends on it.

      The machinist has checked the ID of the guides and from what he has
told me so far we will replace all of the guides.  I'm going up to meet with
him later this week and we'll determine what else has to be done, such as
replace some of the valves that have worn stems.  We do have a spare stock
head with the stock valves and I'm thinking of maybe using some of those if
need be and they clean up okay.  Is there any benefit to using currently
available valves over the original Triumph valves?

      Now that I've got a machinist and shop who I trust and can work with,
doing the periodic renewing shouldn't be a problem.

 

Thanks again, the FOT is great!!

 

Tim Murphy

1961 TR4 #317

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Greg Solow [mailto:Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com]

Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:11 PM

To: Tim Murphy; fot at autox.team.net

Cc: rpm724 at att.net; ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov

Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance

 

For stock cast iron guides the clearances listed in the shop manual are
fine. .0015 to .002" inlet and ..002 to .0025" on the exhaust. The engine
should run ok with up to .0015" additional clearance on each valve.  The
problem that we have found with the iron guides is when using a high lift,
fast acting racing cam, with additional spring pressure, The guides tend to
wear very fast. We found up to .004" wear in 4 or 5 race weekends. Then the
valves stop sealing as well and the engine looses power.

    It does not sound like you have a setup that required a better quality
guide. Don't use valve stem seals and keep an eye on the wear as time
passes.

 


                                        Greg Solow


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Apr  3 20:41:30 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 21:41:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Cracked Head, can it be repaired?
In-Reply-To: <20120331223447.D11E02D08FC@autox.team.net>
References: <20120331223447.D11E02D08FC@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.59.1638251576.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

Just a quick update on this.  The machine shop says they can get one 
of my stock spares prepared in time for the Mitty.  It won't have the 
demon uncle jack porting, we'll see how much difference that 
makes.  It's also not going to be milled quite as far, that should 
help its longevity.

Looks like the Mitty is still in sight!

Thanks to everyone for the generous advice and other offers, you guys 
are the best!

Cheers, Tony Drews

At 05:16 PM 3/31/2012, Tony Drews wrote:
>I found the source of my "head gasket" leaks - a cracked head.  It's 
>cracked around the inner circumference of where it meets the liner 
>in #4 cylinder.
>
>Picture is here:
>http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/2012_0331Head_Crack0007.JPG
>
>Is this something that can be fixed, or should I start brushing up 
>on my head porting techniques and build another head?
>
>Thanks, Tony Drews
>Hoping to make the Mitty still...


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Apr  4 08:11:09 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 10:11:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] ATTN:  SPITFIRES AND GT6s at THE MITTY
Message-ID: <8CEE083EB4B13A5-1C0C-75DD@webmail-d034.sysops.aol.com>

 FOT:

I have been in contact with the editor and publisher of the lively little
magazine  "SPITFIRES AND GT6s".

The publisher and photographers are planning to come to THE MITTY with an eye
toward a major article. I presume that there will be a special focus on our
Spitfire and GT6 entries.

Forthcoming, in the magazine, is an article on the ANNIVERSARY of the
Spitfire.

Additionally, there will be coverage on Kas Kastner's TRIUMPHS.

Then, in a future issue will be coverage on THE MITTY.

Here is your chance for 15 minutes of fame.....we have some interesting
Spitfire and GT6 characters. This could be fun.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Apr  4 12:42:12 2012
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 18:42:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 wrist pins needed
Message-ID: <472387040.455357.1333564932238.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hello FoT, 
I'm in need of a set of wrist pins for my TR3/4 motor build. The pistons are AE cast 87mm and actually there is only one pin that is not usable, but I'd be interested in an unused set if anyone happened to have them sitting around that they don't need. As new and unused is important. 
I'll be at The Mitty for the fun of it and as support where needed. See y'all there. 
Dave H. 
831-234-4928 


From igofaster at att.net  Wed Apr  4 18:13:07 2012
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:13:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Velocity channel Wheeler Dealer
Message-ID: <1333584787.94605.YahooMailRC@web180810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The Triumph Spitfire is featured tonight on Wheeler Dealer on the Velocity 
Channel tonight. Two episodes. Apologies if this is redundant.   


Bobby Whitehead


From gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com  Thu Apr  5 13:36:37 2012
From: gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com (Gary Hunter)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:36:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Need photo Jerry Barker 1500 Spitfire
Message-ID: <DE45246F-CBAB-449D-84F3-95C951C74388@grassrootsmotorsports.com>

We need a High Resolution photo of Jerry Barker's 1500 Spitfire that  
is coming to the Mitty.   We are trying to make the Mitty program as  
TR awesome as it can be .  Thanks for any help in making this  
happen .  TRs - DRIVE 'EM  -  DON'T  HIDE 'EM   Cheers gary
Gary Hunter
Reader Services
Grassroots Motorsports / Classic Motorsports
gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com
386-239-0523


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Apr  6 00:14:07 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 02:14:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY     TRIUMPH PARTS EXCHANGE     MARV GRUBER COMING
Message-ID: <8CEE1D39BD49047-A84-1211F@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com>

 Marv Gruber was invited to come to the MITTY.

He has been supplying the FOT with Triumph parts for a number of years and is
only a couple of hours away from ROAD ATLANTA. He will be coming in on Friday
and leaving on Sunday.

He has a huge stash of British components on his parents farm. If any one
needs some big stuff, like engine blocks and axles he will drive his truck
in.

MGruber921 at aol.com



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Fri Apr  6 05:24:44 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 07:24:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] In the Mitty Paddock
Message-ID: <688FCD703218408BB06B52F3BF463EEC@TRIUMPH.local>

For those of us Vintage Racers that typically run club events, I want to 
remind everybody that the Mitty is a Festival style event, and all parties 
involved have been doing everything in their power to get the public to come 
to see the show. The public is encouraged to walk around the paddocks, and 
Classic Motorsports will be doing organized paddock tours to educate folks 
on what they are looking at.

We have been asked to make up and display a posterboard telling the world 
all the special things they need to know about your race car. While 
certainly not manditory, it would be a nice way to give a little back to our 
friends at Classic Motorsports for all the effort they are going through.

Thanks gang!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 


From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri Apr  6 09:43:59 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 11:43:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] In the Mitty Paddock
Message-ID: <2d80c.2f980b11.3cb0693f@aol.com>

In a message dated 04/06/2012 7:20:13 AM Central Daylight Time, 
yellow04 at tr4racer.com writes:


> We have been asked to make up and display a posterboard telling the world 
> 
> all the special things they need to know about your race car. While 
> certainly not manditory, it would be a nice way to give a little back to 
> our 
> friends at Classic Motorsports for all the effort they are going through.
> 

Henry...

And am I correct that in keeping with past practice, it is OK to lie.

Bill (Damdinger)


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Fri Apr  6 10:03:10 2012
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 12:03:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Parts, etc.  at Mitty Vintage Race
Message-ID: <4F7F13BE.6070008@bright.net>

Good morning List. Some items of interest. Mike Cook, author of several 
TR books, longtime Triumph, British Leyland and Jaguar PR person and all 
around very knowledgeable good guy will be joining us. Mike will be 
wandering around shooting pictures, renewing old acquaintances and 
meeting new friends.  Mike is a very valuable resource to the Triumph 
community.  He was there when it started, including the US Competition 
Department.  Mike will be available at our booth several times during 
the week-end. Stop by and see Mike. Find out what it was really like "in 
the day" from one who was there from the start.  Bring your questions.

Also joining us, all the way from the UK, are John & Susanne Clancy.  
John is a videographer who has produced several Triumph DVD's. These 
will be available at our booth. The series of Triumph DVDs came about as 
a result of John Clancy's long term project to make a documentary of the 
history of the TR7 and TR8 series of cars.  When initially released in 
2007 it proved to be so popular the initial batch of pressed discs sold 
out within six months.  As a result further Triumph productions were 
undertaken -- first of all the Triumph Stag, then the Spitfire and GT6, 
the traditional TRs, the pre-war cars and others.  Currently a complete 
Triumph history is being compiled focusing on the saloon (sedan) models 
issued by the company plus 'California Air' featuring Kas Kastner and 
the US competitions department - this release is why John and his wife 
Susanne will be attending the Mitty at the end of the month to film some 
of the cars to help illustrate the story of why Triumph was so 
successful in America.
John has interviewed many former Standard-Triumph engineering and 
styling personnel and you will find many of these appear within each of 
the DVDs.  No one else currently making classic car documentaries goes 
into so much detail which makes these Triumph collectibles fairly unique 
and as time goes on we expect them to become quite historic in their own 
right.
Further details and previews of each title can be seen at 
www.triumphdvd.co.uk

We will be at the Mitty with our vendor trailer with both parts and 
regalia. We will have our gear reductions starters, steel braid brake 
hoses, suspension parts, rebuilt calipers,  etc.  If anyone needs "heavy 
items" - heads, gearboxes, engines, etc, we can bring these along - free 
freight is good!  Please let me know any requests as soon as possible so 
we can be sure to get it loaded. Our vendor trailer - white, flip open 
sides, along with an EZ-Up tent will be up on the hill in vendor area.

FOT and Kastner Cup shirts can be picked up at the trailer. Please try 
and pick up your shirts by Saturday afternoon.  Not sure what time we 
will be packing on Sunday to leave.  At the event you can reach me on my 
mobile - 419/230-9008. Mobile does not work in our building so please 
use any of the numbers listed on the signature line of this email for 
orders.

Thanks for your time and support. Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US&  Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Fri Apr  6 11:02:28 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 13:02:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] In the Mitty Paddock
References: <2d80c.2f980b11.3cb0693f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F6BA574EA2544BA4B84951E93AAB0685@TRIUMPH.local>

Last time I checked, lying is encouraged!

;-)

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: BillDentin at aol.com
  To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 11:43 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] In the Mitty Paddock


  In a message dated 04/06/2012 7:20:13 AM Central Daylight Time,
yellow04 at tr4racer.com writes:



    We have been asked to make up and display a posterboard telling the world
    all the special things they need to know about your race car. While
    certainly not manditory, it would be a nice way to give a little back to
our
    friends at Classic Motorsports for all the effort they are going through.



  Henry...

  And am I correct that in keeping with past practice, it is OK to lie.

  Bill (Damdinger)


From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Apr  6 17:00:24 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 17:00:24 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Golly Gosh Darn
Message-ID: <4F7F7588.6070101@bradakis.com>

Due to some changing circumstances in my life, it looks like
there is a very good chance I will *not* be at the Mitty.

Drat.

mjb.


From cwnfot at gmail.com  Fri Apr  6 17:50:52 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 19:50:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Golly Gosh Darn
In-Reply-To: <4F7F7588.6070101@bradakis.com>
References: <4F7F7588.6070101@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <00be01cd1450$1a479350$4ed6b9f0$@com>

Hi Mark,

I disagree with the "very good" part of that message!
I hope you are pleasantly surprised and we'll see you at the Mitty!

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
"Reality, it's not what you think."


From rjl at gt-classics.com  Fri Apr  6 20:59:16 2012
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 22:59:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Parts, etc.  at Mitty Vintage Race
In-Reply-To: <4F7F13BE.6070008@bright.net>
References: <4F7F13BE.6070008@bright.net>
Message-ID: <4F7FAD84.5020407@gt-classics.com>

FWIW, I looked at the website, and it would appear that he only sells
DVDs in PAL format, so those of us in North America won't be able
to view them (unless you have a DVD player that will play PAL discs,
of course).  Some of them look interesting, though, so that's a shame.

John

On 4/6/2012 12:03 PM, Ted Schumacher wrote:
> Good morning List. Some items of interest. Mike Cook, author of several
> TR books, longtime Triumph, British Leyland and Jaguar PR person and all
> around very knowledgeable good guy will be joining us. Mike will be
> wandering around shooting pictures, renewing old acquaintances and
> meeting new friends.  Mike is a very valuable resource to the Triumph
> community.  He was there when it started, including the US Competition
> Department.  Mike will be available at our booth several times during
> the week-end. Stop by and see Mike. Find out what it was really like "in
> the day" from one who was there from the start.  Bring your questions.
>
> Also joining us, all the way from the UK, are John&  Susanne Clancy.
> John is a videographer who has produced several Triumph DVD's. These
> will be available at our booth. The series of Triumph DVDs came about as
> a result of John Clancy's long term project to make a documentary of the
> history of the TR7 and TR8 series of cars.  When initially released in
> 2007 it proved to be so popular the initial batch of pressed discs sold
> out within six months.  As a result further Triumph productions were
> undertaken -- first of all the Triumph Stag, then the Spitfire and GT6,
> the traditional TRs, the pre-war cars and others.  Currently a complete
> Triumph history is being compiled focusing on the saloon (sedan) models
> issued by the company plus 'California Air' featuring Kas Kastner and
> the US competitions department - this release is why John and his wife
> Susanne will be attending the Mitty at the end of the month to film some
> of the cars to help illustrate the story of why Triumph was so
> successful in America.
> John has interviewed many former Standard-Triumph engineering and
> styling personnel and you will find many of these appear within each of
> the DVDs.  No one else currently making classic car documentaries goes
> into so much detail which makes these Triumph collectibles fairly unique
> and as time goes on we expect them to become quite historic in their own
> right.
> Further details and previews of each title can be seen at
> www.triumphdvd.co.uk
>
> We will be at the Mitty with our vendor trailer with both parts and
> regalia. We will have our gear reductions starters, steel braid brake
> hoses, suspension parts, rebuilt calipers,  etc.  If anyone needs "heavy
> items" - heads, gearboxes, engines, etc, we can bring these along - free
> freight is good!  Please let me know any requests as soon as possible so
> we can be sure to get it loaded. Our vendor trailer - white, flip open
> sides, along with an EZ-Up tent will be up on the hill in vendor area.
>
> FOT and Kastner Cup shirts can be picked up at the trailer. Please try
> and pick up your shirts by Saturday afternoon.  Not sure what time we
> will be packing on Sunday to leave.  At the event you can reach me on my
> mobile - 419/230-9008. Mobile does not work in our building so please
> use any of the numbers listed on the signature line of this email for
> orders.
>
> Thanks for your time and support. Ted
>
>    

-- 
Thanks,
R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Sat Apr  7 04:08:16 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 06:08:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mitty entry list posted
Message-ID: <32AC971BC8224376A7D31B245966743B@TRIUMPH.local>

HSR has finally put up the Mitty entry list, that is one strong field!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 


From cwnfot at gmail.com  Sat Apr  7 07:25:36 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 09:25:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mitty entry list posted
In-Reply-To: <32AC971BC8224376A7D31B245966743B@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <32AC971BC8224376A7D31B245966743B@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <001201cd14c1$eb8d6bd0$c2a84370$@com>

http://hsrrace.com/2012_Events/3_Mitty_Apr_26_29/Event_Info/Entry_List.pdf 


Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
"Reality, it's not what you think."


From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sat Apr  7 18:38:01 2012
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 17:38:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 for sale (not mine)
In-Reply-To: <C5CB5B3A-78CC-450E-A4CB-FCDAC8AD83D1@sonic.net>
References: <C5CB5B3A-78CC-450E-A4CB-FCDAC8AD83D1@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <4F80DDE9.2010408@gmail.com>

I just received this email about a TR3 that has come up for sale.

If you are interested contact Frans directly at Frans Smith 
<frans1 at sonic.net>

Teriann

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Triumph
Date: 	Sat, 7 Apr 2012 17:09:48 -0700
From: 	Frans Smith <frans1 at sonic.net>
To: 	TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman at razzolink.com>, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" 
<tjwakeman at gmail.com>



Dear TeriAnn,
I have communicated off and on with you regarding my series 2 land
rover 109. I also am on the mendo list. Anyhow, I have a customer/
friend who liked to mess around with old british cars. He just had a
fairly major heart attack. In his garage is a nearly complete 1957 TR3
'small mouth'. He has a garage full of spare parts (literally) for it.
The entire drivetrain/brakes etc.  has been re-built. He has one extra
engine plus a still-in-the-box overdrive. The car is just about done
but he lost both feet and really cannot deal with it anymore so is
looking to offload it on someone.
Know anyone who may be interested? He won't let it go for free but I
think whoever gets it is going to get one hell of a deal.
He lives in the same town as me, Healdsburg CA about an hour north of
S.F. CA.
If you know anyone please let me know. He is not in any particular
hurry to sell but it does need to go.
thank you
frans


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Mon Apr  9 13:38:05 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:38:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] HS4's
Message-ID: <BLU168-W1B8BD97E59A87BE92674DBA370@phx.gbl>

Removed the HS2's from the Spitfire and replacing them with HS4's for the
Mitty so I will have the opportunity to try and dial in something else that
weekend.  Fired the engine up for the first time saturday so I am getting
closer. Anyhow, on the HS4's, the rear car has a 1/4 o.d. stub of a hard line
coming out for the vent/overflow of the bowl. The front carb just has a hole
for the vent/overflow. The hole does not appear to match any line I have
laying around. Smaller than 1/4, larger than the next size down copper line
and hard brake lines I have. I though about opening it up to 1/4 but then
there would not be enough room to slip on a piece of rubber fuel line.  I am
trying to run these overflows away from the header.  What have you folks done
here on the front carb?

Thanks,
Marty

PS: Hope everybody has paid Ted for the shirts by now.


From markvaden at gmail.com  Mon Apr  9 19:29:11 2012
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 18:29:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car
Message-ID: <CAExoegngUhZ3=pq6YZMttrpSNc3_OR4H=-2fv4gRjAaVs3s6Aw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

I was going through the photos of the race car I aquired and have been
building for a couple of years, and I noticed a photo with a different
paint job. It says Hawaii SCCA, and I was wondering if anyone on the list
recognized this car. The photo can be seen at
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13552281/Photos/photo.JPG . I would love to know
more history about the car.

TIA,
Mark


From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Tue Apr 10 17:16:48 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:16:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance
In-Reply-To: <000501cd111b$dca19aa0$95e4cfe0$@com>
References: <000501cd111b$dca19aa0$95e4cfe0$@com>
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADB@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

Valve guide clearance...



At the VARA Willow Springs race recently, my GT6 crapped out. (again...)
Pulled the rocker cover, and discovered a broken rocker and a stuck valve.
Once at home, I pulled the head. Piston, etc look ok.  Head is now at machine
shop undergoing restorative surgery.  Initial look by machinist indicates
seized valve due to tight valve guide clearance.  This is a freshly rebuilt
motor.  Engine builder says he honed guides to 0.0025" tolerance.  Machinist
is pulling all valves to check...  Shall he go .004" clearance?



Ed











-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Tim Murphy
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 2:59 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: rpm724 at att.net; ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance



I took our head up to a machine shop in Appleton, WI to have it checked for

cracks and primarily to get the valves ground.  Here is what the machinist

has reported to me:







Intake valve guides a little loose                Intake valve stems okay







Exhaust valve guides okay                           Exhaust valves about

0.001 wear on the stem







The intake valves are a nice fit into the exhaust guides.  This is not the

usual type of wear he sees on the more common (Chevy and Ford V-8's) that he

works on.







Question:  What is the "normal" clearance valve stem to valve guide for the

TR4 engine when used for racing?  To put it another way, can we run the

engine with the intake guides loose and the 0.001 wear on the exhaust valve

stems?  And, is this the usual wear pattern on the TR4 engine?







We are running a stock crank with stock rods, all balanced, and forged

WISECO pistons with 87 mm liners from Ken Gilanders.  We try to keep to a

5500 RPM redline with occasional use of 6000 for overtaking.  For what it's

worth we have a 4.3 rear end and overdrive.







I recall a discussion on the list some time ago regarding different

materials being used for guides and a problem with getting the proper

clearance.  As I recall, a number of folks were using these guides and

unfortunately had valves get stuck with somewhat disastrous results.  I

think the guides were bronze or some alloy with bronze in it.  I don't

recall any discussion on clearance for stock valves and stock guides.  My

gut feel is that I'd rather have the guides/valves a little loose than have

a valve stick and destroy the head and maybe the rest of the engine.







Thanks for your help,







Tim & Ryan Murphy



1961 TR4  #317

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From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Tue Apr 10 17:41:47 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:41:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] another race car
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized me
to buy another race car.  (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as well)
Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, I'm
looking for opinions of what to look for.

As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races an
FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her.  I want to initially
spend well under $30k.  Of course, a lot of the price is factored into just
how race ready a particular car is.  I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc.  Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going there
for several reasons...)

I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective folks
here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions.  I really
need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
competitive side.  I want a car that can finish races consistently.

Thoughts?

Ed Dunn


From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Apr 10 18:43:34 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:43:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VIR Track Talk or Video?
Message-ID: <C23E9202-8FAA-4A81-8FD9-A5CD9EE6F51C@me.com>

I'll be at VIR this weekend for the first time in eight years, and the last time only lasted one day until a rocker arm broke, with valve/piston damage.
Anyone have a good description of how to drive the track, map showing best lines, or video they care to share?  I found last year at Watkins Glen that advance reading of a great description of driving the track, turn by turn, and studying a map and photos was really helpful.


From jason at multivintage.com  Tue Apr 10 18:56:33 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:56:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] another race car
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <CALCydYpw3Ra2EnQcYhcu+QBbnEE5TAF6xe=BNQrSbN2TbruZwA@mail.gmail.com>

Edward,
Speaking of Philosophical...
That is exactly why a GT6 can be so rewarding.
Its NOT easy but these cars can also be reliable.
It is more an issue of constant maintenance... And I understand that takes
time.
Don't give up on the GT6.
Keep that as your Vintage Racer just develop it with reliability in mind...
Unfortunately, getting any car out of hibernation and into current reliable
racing form is not going to come without disappointment.
But the reward is that much greater... you have lots of people here to help
you.
Judging by what you have put into the car already you should be pretty
close to reliable already.
Any vintage race car is going to require constant attention.
The sound of a well performing GT6 is worth a bit of extra effort.
I finish well in almost every race in mine.
Yes, there are a select few great GT6 drivers/owners that have made them go
fast and far.
That possibility is what you need to latch onto.
I've done almost everything you have mentioned over the past few years.
I hope to be sipping bubbly from the Kastner Cup in a couple weeks.


In regards to another race car... I would go for an action packed club
racer in a full field spec class... lots of seat time.
Try to hang in there.
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Edward Dunn
<edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>wrote:

> Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized
> me
> to buy another race car.  (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as
> well)
> Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, I'm
> looking for opinions of what to look for.
>
> As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races
> an
> FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her.  I want to
> initially
> spend well under $30k.  Of course, a lot of the price is factored into just
> how race ready a particular car is.  I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
> Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc.  Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going
> there
> for several reasons...)
>
> I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective
> folks
> here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions.  I
> really
> need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
> competitive side.  I want a car that can finish races consistently.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Ed Dunn
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Apr 10 19:03:55 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:03:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADB@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <000501cd111b$dca19aa0$95e4cfe0$@com>
	<36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADB@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <8CEE5961A827170-EBC-1423@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com>

 material spec may be an issue.  we just had a major thread on this....

drawing up the archives on this may lead to a good decision for your
situation.

i think we have come to a conclusion that bronze guides may not be worth the
risk.





Joe Alexander
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645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Dunn <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>
To: Tim Murphy <timmurph at fastbytes.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: rpm724 <rpm724 at att.net>; ryan.murphy <ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov>
Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 6:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance


Valve guide clearance...



At the VARA Willow Springs race recently, my GT6 crapped out. (again...)
Pulled the rocker cover, and discovered a broken rocker and a stuck valve.
Once at home, I pulled the head. Piston, etc look ok.  Head is now at machine
shop undergoing restorative surgery.  Initial look by machinist indicates
seized valve due to tight valve guide clearance.  This is a freshly rebuilt
motor.  Engine builder says he honed guides to 0.0025" tolerance.  Machinist
is pulling all valves to check...  Shall he go .004" clearance?



Ed











-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
Of Tim Murphy
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 2:59 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: rpm724 at att.net; ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance



I took our head up to a machine shop in Appleton, WI to have it checked for

cracks and primarily to get the valves ground.  Here is what the machinist

has reported to me:







Intake valve guides a little loose                Intake valve stems okay







Exhaust valve guides okay                           Exhaust valves about

0.001 wear on the stem







The intake valves are a nice fit into the exhaust guides.  This is not the

usual type of wear he sees on the more common (Chevy and Ford V-8's) that he

works on.







Question:  What is the "normal" clearance valve stem to valve guide for the

TR4 engine when used for racing?  To put it another way, can we run the

engine with the intake guides loose and the 0.001 wear on the exhaust valve

stems?  And, is this the usual wear pattern on the TR4 engine?







We are running a stock crank with stock rods, all balanced, and forged

WISECO pistons with 87 mm liners from Ken Gilanders.  We try to keep to a

5500 RPM redline with occasional use of 6000 for overtaking.  For what it's

worth we have a 4.3 rear end and overdrive.







I recall a discussion on the list some time ago regarding different

materials being used for guides and a problem with getting the proper

clearance.  As I recall, a number of folks were using these guides and

unfortunately had valves get stuck with somewhat disastrous results.  I

think the guides were bronze or some alloy with bronze in it.  I don't

recall any discussion on clearance for stock valves and stock guides.  My

gut feel is that I'd rather have the guides/valves a little loose than have

a valve stick and destroy the head and maybe the rest of the engine.







Thanks for your help,







Tim & Ryan Murphy



1961 TR4  #317

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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Apr 10 19:47:55 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:47:55 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADB@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
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I use .003 - .004 for bronze guides & haven't seized one yet.
jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Edward Dunn
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:17 PM
To: Tim Murphy; fot at autox.team.net
Cc: rpm724 at att.net; ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance

Valve guide clearance...



At the VARA Willow Springs race recently, my GT6 crapped out. (again...)
Pulled the rocker cover, and discovered a broken rocker and a stuck valve.
Once at home, I pulled the head. Piston, etc look ok.  Head is now at
machine
shop undergoing restorative surgery.  Initial look by machinist indicates
seized valve due to tight valve guide clearance.  This is a freshly rebuilt
motor.  Engine builder says he honed guides to 0.0025" tolerance.  Machinist
is pulling all valves to check...  Shall he go .004" clearance?



Ed











-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
Of Tim Murphy
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 2:59 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: rpm724 at att.net; ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance



I took our head up to a machine shop in Appleton, WI to have it checked for

cracks and primarily to get the valves ground.  Here is what the machinist

has reported to me:







Intake valve guides a little loose                Intake valve stems okay







Exhaust valve guides okay                           Exhaust valves about

0.001 wear on the stem







The intake valves are a nice fit into the exhaust guides.  This is not the

usual type of wear he sees on the more common (Chevy and Ford V-8's) that he

works on.







Question:  What is the "normal" clearance valve stem to valve guide for the

TR4 engine when used for racing?  To put it another way, can we run the

engine with the intake guides loose and the 0.001 wear on the exhaust valve

stems?  And, is this the usual wear pattern on the TR4 engine?







We are running a stock crank with stock rods, all balanced, and forged

WISECO pistons with 87 mm liners from Ken Gilanders.  We try to keep to a

5500 RPM redline with occasional use of 6000 for overtaking.  For what it's

worth we have a 4.3 rear end and overdrive.







I recall a discussion on the list some time ago regarding different

materials being used for guides and a problem with getting the proper

clearance.  As I recall, a number of folks were using these guides and

unfortunately had valves get stuck with somewhat disastrous results.  I

think the guides were bronze or some alloy with bronze in it.  I don't

recall any discussion on clearance for stock valves and stock guides.  My

gut feel is that I'd rather have the guides/valves a little loose than have

a valve stick and destroy the head and maybe the rest of the engine.







Thanks for your help,







Tim & Ryan Murphy



1961 TR4  #317

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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Tue Apr 10 20:09:28 2012
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 22:09:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VIR Track Talk or Video?
In-Reply-To: <C23E9202-8FAA-4A81-8FD9-A5CD9EE6F51C@me.com>
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Message-ID: <001401cd1788$20678a20$61369e60$@net>

Have fun

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:44 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] VIR Track Talk or Video?

I'll be at VIR this weekend for the first time in eight years, and the last
time only lasted one day until a rocker arm broke, with valve/piston damage.
Anyone have a good description of how to drive the track, map showing best
lines, or video they care to share?  I found last year at Watkins Glen that
advance reading of a great description of driving the track, turn by turn,
and studying a map and photos was really helpful.
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From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Tue Apr 10 20:51:43 2012
From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:51:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] another race car
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <81B87BCD1EC64A00BE14C443AC4E170B@TER2>

If Gary Horskorda's car is not sold, his TR-4 sounds like a great deal to 
me!  It is still listed in the back of Victory Lane in the April issue for 
$18,300. The contact listed is 3tr67 at comcast.net  I have no conection with 
the car other than being a fellow racer. .
                                                                             
                            Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward Dunn" <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: [Fot] another race car


> Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized 
> me
> to buy another race car.  (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as 
> well)
> Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, 
> I'm
> looking for opinions of what to look for.
>
> As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races 
> an
> FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her.  I want to 
> initially
> spend well under $30k.  Of course, a lot of the price is factored into 
> just
> how race ready a particular car is.  I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
> Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc.  Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going 
> there
> for several reasons...)
>
> I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective 
> folks
> here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions.  I 
> really
> need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
> competitive side.  I want a car that can finish races consistently.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Ed Dunn
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From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Apr 10 21:03:33 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:03:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] another race car
In-Reply-To: <CALCydYpw3Ra2EnQcYhcu+QBbnEE5TAF6xe=BNQrSbN2TbruZwA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<CALCydYpw3Ra2EnQcYhcu+QBbnEE5TAF6xe=BNQrSbN2TbruZwA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <709EE793-6321-4943-9AE4-4313F9D4C215@me.com>

hmm, it's taken me eight years with my GT6 and I'm not there yet, though getting there.  I was paddocked next to a guy driving a 911 two years ago at the Turkey Bowl - a bunch of us were busy fixing our LBCs all weekend at the end of the season to squeak out one last race weekend of the year, and I ribbed the guy that he just parked next to us to gloat.  He said - no, no, I have to work on my car too - turns out that in 25,000 (!!!!!) track miles the worst thing he had to do was change a clutch!.  Still on the same motor.
Well, we could all drive Miatas.

On Apr 10, 2012, at 8:56 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:

Edward,
Speaking of Philosophical...
That is exactly why a GT6 can be so rewarding.
Its NOT easy but these cars can also be reliable.
It is more an issue of constant maintenance... And I understand that takes
time.
Don't give up on the GT6.
Keep that as your Vintage Racer just develop it with reliability in mind...
Unfortunately, getting any car out of hibernation and into current reliable
racing form is not going to come without disappointment.
But the reward is that much greater... you have lots of people here to help
you.
Judging by what you have put into the car already you should be pretty
close to reliable already.
Any vintage race car is going to require constant attention.
The sound of a well performing GT6 is worth a bit of extra effort.
I finish well in almost every race in mine.
Yes, there are a select few great GT6 drivers/owners that have made them go
fast and far.
That possibility is what you need to latch onto.
I've done almost everything you have mentioned over the past few years.
I hope to be sipping bubbly from the Kastner Cup in a couple weeks.


In regards to another race car... I would go for an action packed club
racer in a full field spec class... lots of seat time.
Try to hang in there.
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Edward Dunn
<edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>wrote:

> Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized
> me
> to buy another race car.  (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as
> well)
> Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, I'm
> looking for opinions of what to look for.
> 
> As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races
> an
> FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her.  I want to
> initially
> spend well under $30k.  Of course, a lot of the price is factored into just
> how race ready a particular car is.  I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
> Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc.  Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going
> there
> for several reasons...)
> 
> I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective
> folks
> here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions.  I
> really
> need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
> competitive side.  I want a car that can finish races consistently.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Ed Dunn
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Tue Apr 10 21:37:02 2012
From: horizonracing at msn.com (horizonracing at msn.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:37:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] another race car
In-Reply-To: <81B87BCD1EC64A00BE14C443AC4E170B@TER2>
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	<81B87BCD1EC64A00BE14C443AC4E170B@TER2>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP344A26CE8953FFEBC99840DB2350@phx.gbl>

Agreed ! Gary has spent a lot of time on the details incl. A new RAtco frame  
!!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

-----Original message-----
From: Greg Solow <Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>
To: Edward Dunn <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>, fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 19:51:43 PDT
Subject: Re: [Fot] another race car

If Gary Horskorda's car is not sold, his TR-4 sounds like a great deal to  
me!  It is still listed in the back of Victory Lane in the April issue for  
$18,300. The contact listed is 3tr67 at comcast.net  I have no conection with  
the car other than being a fellow racer. .
                                                                              
                            Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Dunn"  
<edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: [Fot] another race car


> Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized  
> me
> to buy another race car.  (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as >  
well)
> Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, >  
I'm
> looking for opinions of what to look for.
>
> As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races  
> an
> FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her.  I want to >  
initially
> spend well under $30k.  Of course, a lot of the price is factored into >  
just
> how race ready a particular car is.  I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
> Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc.  Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going >  
there
> for several reasons...)
>
> I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective >  
folks
> here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions.  I >  
really
> need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
> competitive side.  I want a car that can finish races consistently.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Ed Dunn
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Apr 10 21:43:27 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 03:43:27 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance
Message-ID: <mailman.61.1638251576.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

I run 0.0015/0.003" with cast iron.

Cheers
Chris
Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone


From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Tue Apr 10 22:00:52 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:00:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] another race car
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP344A26CE8953FFEBC99840DB2350@phx.gbl>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<81B87BCD1EC64A00BE14C443AC4E170B@TER2>
	<BLU0-SMTP344A26CE8953FFEBC99840DB2350@phx.gbl>
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Yes,

I saw that beautiful red TR online. Very nice. Value is certainly there.
Considering Ibm after max seat time, what are opinions going with a Spitfire?  Therebs a good, well race prepped Spit nearby, owner is asking $6500b&

Ed




From: horizonracing at msn.com [mailto:horizonracing at msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:37 PM
To: Edward Dunn; fot at autox.team.net; Greg Solow
Subject: Re: [Fot] another race car

Agreed ! Gary has spent a lot of time on the details incl. A new RAtco frame !!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


-----Original message-----
From: Greg Solow <Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com<mailto:Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>>
To: Edward Dunn <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com<mailto:edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>>, fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 19:51:43 PDT
Subject: Re: [Fot] another race car
If Gary Horskorda's car is not sold, his TR-4 sounds like a great deal to me! It is still listed in the back of Victory Lane in the April issue for $18,300. The contact listed is 3tr67 at comcast.net<mailto:3tr67 at comcast.net> I have no conection with the car other than being a fellow racer. .
Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Dunn"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: [Fot] another race car


> Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized > me
> to buy another race car. (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as > well)
> Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, > I'm
> looking for opinions of what to look for.
>
> As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races > an
> FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her. I want to > initially
> spend well under $30k. Of course, a lot of the price is factored into > just
> how race ready a particular car is. I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
> Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc. Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going > there
> for several reasons...)
>
> I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective > folks
> here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions. I > really
> need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
> competitive side. I want a car that can finish races consistently.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Ed Dunn
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Apr 10 22:14:29 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 22:14:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] another race car
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <4F850525.9050506@bradakis.com>

You said FV is not an option, how about Formula Ford?  Maybe an old
Crossle, not British, but Irish, close enough?

mjb.


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue Apr 10 22:11:50 2012
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Fot)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:11:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] another race car
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP344A26CE8953FFEBC99840DB2350@phx.gbl>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<81B87BCD1EC64A00BE14C443AC4E170B@TER2>
	<BLU0-SMTP344A26CE8953FFEBC99840DB2350@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <825F1AEE-99D2-4CE7-A6FF-944327238B6B@comcast.net>

Thanks Greg and Tony, the TR is available.

Gary

On Apr 10, 2012, at 8:37 PM, "horizonracing at msn.com" <horizonracing at msn.com>
wrote:

> Agreed ! Gary has spent a lot of time on the details incl. A new RAtco frame
> !!
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: Greg Solow <Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>
> To: Edward Dunn <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>, fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 19:51:43 PDT
> Subject: Re: [Fot] another race car
>
> If Gary Horskorda's car is not sold, his TR-4 sounds like a great deal to
> me!  It is still listed in the back of Victory Lane in the April issue for
> $18,300. The contact listed is 3tr67 at comcast.net  I have no conection with
> the car other than being a fellow racer. .
>
>                            Greg Solow
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Dunn"
> <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:41 PM
> Subject: [Fot] another race car
>
>
>> Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized
>> me
>> to buy another race car.  (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as >
> well)
>> Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, >
> I'm
>> looking for opinions of what to look for.
>>
>> As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races
>> an
>> FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her.  I want to >
> initially
>> spend well under $30k.  Of course, a lot of the price is factored into >
> just
>> how race ready a particular car is.  I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
>> Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc.  Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going >
> there
>> for several reasons...)
>>
>> I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective >
> folks
>> here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions.  I >
> really
>> need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
>> competitive side.  I want a car that can finish races consistently.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Ed Dunn
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 11 10:32:19 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:32:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup and FOT shirts
Message-ID: <BLU168-W27C9D0F572E3631A92ED2BBA350@phx.gbl>

Shirts are printed and being shipped as we speak.  If you ordered a shirt you
received an email last week telling you to pay up.  Labor part is done but we
need to finish up the financial part. Please contact Ted of TSI at
800.543.6648 (US& Canada) and pay the man.  We need to wrap this up prior to
heading off to the MItty.

Thanks,
Marty


From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Wed Apr 11 13:03:58 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:03:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
question that may have already been answered.

On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric shop,
but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT racer
that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be simply
replaced instead of rebuilt.

Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the pit
to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted suggested I
wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps as
seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?

In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
getting down in there to bleed.

Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...

Ed


From jason at multivintage.com  Wed Apr 11 13:48:38 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:48:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <CALCydYqzc3vu-oLRkOTEofgYi9g+Kg_eDMtab851ag0KqZe-wQ@mail.gmail.com>

Starters have been a tough issue for me to. I had to make a custom set up
for mine. Nothing else would fit without touching the headers.
Short answer, try to have a couple spares on hand in case of a total failure
But regardless...They just won't work when hot.
Yes, definitely wrap the starter with the heat shield it helps a bit. (be
certain that the heat shield does not touch the header anywhere).

As for the clutch line, it should run behind the brake master cylinder and
along the rear of the firewall as far as possible. Then straight down to
the slave. Ted could make you a one piece braided line to run that entire
distance...I doubt the line getting hot is the problem. Its probably the
clutch itself getting hot and not working right...
What kind of clutch set-up do you have?


Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Edward Dunn
<edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>wrote:

> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
> question that may have already been answered.
>
> On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
> related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric
> shop,
> but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT
> racer
> that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be
> simply
> replaced instead of rebuilt.
>
> Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the
> pit
> to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
> really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted
> suggested I
> wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps
> as
> seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?
>
> In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
> pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
> Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
> using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
> getting down in there to bleed.
>
> Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...
>
> Ed
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From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Apr 11 13:53:34 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:53:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <DA713F5B-9B77-4CE7-8972-BBA26F22C8D5@me.com>

I use the high -torque starter I got from Ted -it's been good for about 6 years now, despite the fact that the insulation on exposed wiring is well cooked (jinxed myself now, of course).
My headers are about 1/4" away from the starter -close enough that I took a ball peen hammer to one of the tubes to increase the clearance a hair.   I have the starter wrapped in one of those aluminum blankets, and the header right near the starter wrapped with tape from Pegasus.
I'd get a quality starter from a known source -there have been threads about the variability of quality on these before.

Clutch - could be boiling fluid.  Try re-routing the line.  The slave is on the top right of the bell housing, so there should be no reason to bring the line close to the header - I had a flexible one that just came across the top of the b-housing from the master.  Might be another clutch issue - describe the symptoms more?

On Apr 11, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Edward Dunn wrote:

First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
question that may have already been answered.

On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric shop,
but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT racer
that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be simply
replaced instead of rebuilt.

Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the pit
to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted suggested I
wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps as
seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?

In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
getting down in there to bleed.

Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...

Ed
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From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Wed Apr 11 14:02:40 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:02:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <DA713F5B-9B77-4CE7-8972-BBA26F22C8D5@me.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<DA713F5B-9B77-4CE7-8972-BBA26F22C8D5@me.com>
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE5@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

Clutch operates normally when cool.  After some laps, it starts not fully
disengaging, to the point when I pull into the pits I can't get into first or
second gear.  Then once it cools down, it's fine again.  How about drilling
some 1" cooling holes in the bell housing?  Can't really use a transmission
cooler like on an automatic.  Car sits really low, plus exhaust running right
underneath, I imagine lots of hot air, not much cooling air.  Also, I've got
the exhaust running straight out the rear.  Should it be exiting the side, in
front of the right rear tire?




From: Scott Janzen [mailto:sjanzen at me.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:54 PM
To: Edward Dunn
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue

I use the high -torque starter I got from Ted -it's been good for about 6
years now, despite the fact that the insulation on exposed wiring is well
cooked (jinxed myself now, of course).
My headers are about 1/4" away from the starter -close enough that I took a
ball peen hammer to one of the tubes to increase the clearance a hair.   I
have the starter wrapped in one of those aluminum blankets, and the header
right near the starter wrapped with tape from Pegasus.
I'd get a quality starter from a known source -there have been threads about
the variability of quality on these before.

Clutch - could be boiling fluid.  Try re-routing the line.  The slave is on
the top right of the bell housing, so there should be no reason to bring the
line close to the header - I had a flexible one that just came across the top
of the b-housing from the master.  Might be another clutch issue - describe
the symptoms more?

On Apr 11, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Edward Dunn wrote:

First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
question that may have already been answered.

On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric
shop,
but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT racer
that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be simply
replaced instead of rebuilt.

Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the
pit
to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted suggested
I
wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps as
seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?

In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
getting down in there to bleed.

Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...

Ed
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Apr 11 14:47:06 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:47:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <DA713F5B-9B77-4CE7-8972-BBA26F22C8D5@me.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>,
	<DA713F5B-9B77-4CE7-8972-BBA26F22C8D5@me.com>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W37B1BA9C6099519138E9E3DF350@phx.gbl>

One of the things I learned in the turbocharger business long ago;  air gaps
make a great insulator for hot things. Yes, wrap the starter and if room make
just a aluminum shield that gives an air gap around the starter. You probably
cannot get more than a 1/4" gap but it really worth the effort.  Stainless is
better, but harder to work with, Titanium is the best but tough to find and
tough to work. it is a lot easier to say this than to do it, but TRY.
Never be beaten by equipment
 > From: sjanzen at me.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:53:34 -0400
> To: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
>
> I use the high -torque starter I got from Ted -it's been good for about 6
years now, despite the fact that the insulation on exposed wiring is well
cooked (jinxed myself now, of course).
> My headers are about 1/4" away from the starter -close enough that I took a
ball peen hammer to one of the tubes to increase the clearance a hair.   I
have the starter wrapped in one of those aluminum blankets, and the header
right near the starter wrapped with tape from Pegasus.
> I'd get a quality starter from a known source -there have been threads about
the variability of quality on these before.
>
> Clutch - could be boiling fluid.  Try re-routing the line.  The slave is on
the top right of the bell housing, so there should be no reason to bring the
line close to the header - I had a flexible one that just came across the top
of the b-housing from the master.  Might be another clutch issue - describe
the symptoms more?
>
> On Apr 11, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Edward Dunn wrote:
>
> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
> question that may have already been answered.
>
> On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
> related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric
shop,
> but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT
racer
> that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be
simply
> replaced instead of rebuilt.
>
> Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the
pit
> to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
> really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted suggested
I
> wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps
as
> seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?
>
> In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
> pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
> Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
> using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
> getting down in there to bleed.
>
> Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...
>
> Ed
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Apr 11 17:20:02 2012
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:20:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <000601cd1839$9f626280$de272780$@com>

Possibly boiling the brake fluid in the clutch line?  Just a thought.

Tim Murphy

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Edward Dunn
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:04 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue

First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
question that may have already been answered.

On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric
shop,
but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT racer
that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be
simply
replaced instead of rebuilt.

Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the
pit
to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted suggested
I
wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps as
seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?

In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
getting down in there to bleed.

Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...

Ed
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From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 11 19:52:13 2012
From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:52:13 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <5E062225-1C41-4D43-A87F-69CEB44B790B@yahoo.com>

The heat wrap does work, but my neighbor told me to take it off.  He has an
early '70s Cuda that he races in the Pikes Peak Hill Climb every year.  He
actually cooked a set of headers with the heat wrap on. I didn't believe until
one evening I had the TR4 running and could see a bright red glow at the
collector.

I had my header ceramic coated.  Cost about $150 by a shop in Wheat Ridge, CO.
Looks great and vastly reduced the heat up front and eliminates rust.  Coating
is inside and out.  No commercial interest.

Ty



Tyler

Sent from my iPad
(Please excuse any errors or typos)

On Apr 11, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Edward Dunn <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>
wrote:

> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
> question that may have already been answered.
>
> On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
> related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric
shop,
> but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT
racer
> that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be
simply
> replaced instead of rebuilt.
>
> Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the
pit
> to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
> really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted suggested
I
> wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps
as
> seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?
>
> In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
> pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
> Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
> using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
> getting down in there to bleed.
>
> Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...
>
> Ed
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From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 11 20:04:26 2012
From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:04:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
Message-ID: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>

My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014 intake/.016
exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
clearances may be a bit too tight.

That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless (I
don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this question)
he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my valve
lash is too tight.

Appreciate your input..

Thx

Ty


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From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Wed Apr 11 20:51:40 2012
From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:51:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <049B32E6A1094801911F7C130E8EED24@TER2>

Don't wrap the header unless it is made of stainless tubing. It will fall 
apart in no time from excessive heat. Kas is absolutely right. wrap the 
starter in heat shielding. Put a heat shield between the starter and the 
header. Try to duct cool air into this area. Have the header coated inside 
and out with very high heat resistant/insulating coating.
                                                                             
                    Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward Dunn" <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:03 PM
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue


> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
> question that may have already been answered.
>
> On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
> related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric 
> shop,
> but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT 
> racer
> that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be 
> simply
> replaced instead of rebuilt.
>
> Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the 
> pit
> to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
> really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted 
> suggested I
> wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps 
> as
> seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?
>
> In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
> pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
> Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and 
> am
> using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
> getting down in there to bleed.
>
> Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...
>
> Ed
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From igofaster at att.net  Wed Apr 11 22:16:28 2012
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:16:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] another race car
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <1334204188.12073.YahooMailRC@web180810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

buy a Porsche, made to race from the get go...






________________________________
From: Edward Dunn <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>
To: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, April 10, 2012 6:41:47 PM
Subject: [Fot] another race car

Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized me
to buy another race car.  (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as well)
Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, I'm
looking for opinions of what to look for.

As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races an
FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her.  I want to initially
spend well under $30k.  Of course, a lot of the price is factored into just
how race ready a particular car is.  I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc.  Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going there
for several reasons...)

I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective folks
here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions.  I really
need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
competitive side.  I want a car that can finish races consistently.

Thoughts?

Ed Dunn
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 12 02:43:48 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:43:48 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <000601cd1839$9f626280$de272780$@com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<000601cd1839$9f626280$de272780$@com>
Message-ID: <002301cd1888$6267c880$27375980$@com>

I had some trouble with these modern starters too.
>From vibration the lines to the solenoid inside the housing do break and
have contact occasionally.
Not very funny.
I've cut them off a little and soldered the wires from old starter brushes
of the stock starter in place.
These thick wire loops do work perfect and doesn't vibrate.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Edward Dunn
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:04 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue

First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
question that may have already been answered.

On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric
shop,
but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT racer
that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be
simply
replaced instead of rebuilt.

Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the
pit
to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted suggested
I
wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps as
seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?

In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
getting down in there to bleed.

Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...

Ed
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Apr 12 06:01:43 2012
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:01:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] another race car
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2012, Bobby Whitehead wrote:

> buy a Porsche, made to race from the get go...

If you do, don't forget the Darth Vader kit to go with it.

:-)

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From jkhagen at charter.net  Thu Apr 12 07:18:40 2012
From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:18:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
Message-ID: <1deb574e.1ec76.136a6b4aed8.Webtop.46@charter.net>

FOT's--Do you want to save the starter or make horse power.  According 
to Myron Cottrell -[Cotrell Racing Engines] some of the best in the 
nation-do not wrap or coat headers--you want heat to excape engine and 
headers any way possible. John Hagen


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:

> The heat wrap does work, but my neighbor told me to take it off.  He 
> has an
> early '70s Cuda that he races in the Pikes Peak Hill Climb every year. 
> He
> actually cooked a set of headers with the heat wrap on. I didn't 
> believe until
> one evening I had the TR4 running and could see a bright red glow at 
> the
> collector.
>
> I had my header ceramic coated.  Cost about $150 by a shop in Wheat 
> Ridge, CO.
> Looks great and vastly reduced the heat up front and eliminates rust. 
> Coating
> is inside and out.  No commercial interest.
>
> Ty
>
>
>
> Tyler
>
> Sent from my iPad
> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
>
> On Apr 11, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Edward Dunn 
> <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>
> wrote:
>
>> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking 
>> a
>> question that may have already been answered.
>>
>> On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be 
>> heat
>> related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto 
>> electric
> shop,
>> but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a 
>> FOT
> racer
>> that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should 
>> be
> simply
>> replaced instead of rebuilt.
>>
>> Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by 
>> in the
> pit
>> to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, 
>> which
>> really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted 
>> suggested
> I
>> wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating 
>> wraps
> as
>> seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter 
>> functioning?
>>
>> In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch 
>> line is
>> pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too 
>> hot?
>> Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, 
>> and am
>> using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real 
>> interesting
>> getting down in there to bleed.
>>
>> Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...
>>
>> Ed
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 12 07:43:57 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:43:57 +0200
Subject: [Fot] another race car
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1204120800430.14682@isis.mit.edu>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
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	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1204120800430.14682@isis.mit.edu>
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The Dark Force is strong with this one.

> buy a Porsche, made to race from the get go...

If you do, don't forget the Darth Vader kit to go with it.


From PegAndBobM at aol.com  Thu Apr 12 07:56:43 2012
From: PegAndBobM at aol.com (PegAndBobM at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:56:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] another race car
Message-ID: <1cfcc.409b5d82.3cb8391b@aol.com>

Decent TR4 at a very reasonable price.  Car was very reliable when  driven 
by Ray, but Ray's nature was not to overstress the equipment and always  
have a smile at the end of the race day.
 
_http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/2941078375.html_ 
(http://denver.craigslist.org/cto/2941078375.html)     
 
 
In a message dated 04/12/2012 07:48:00 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
tr4racing at googlemail.com writes:

The Dark  Force is strong with this one.

> buy a Porsche, made to race from  the get go...

If you do, don't forget the Darth Vader kit to go with  it.
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From harmug at us.ibm.com  Thu Apr 12 09:47:00 2012
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:47:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Shirts
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Received a box of FOT and Mitty shirts last night. They look great.
Hats off (Next SWAG? ) to Marty and Ted for doing this.

mike h
14 days and counting

G. Michael Harmuth


From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu Apr 12 09:51:13 2012
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:51:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <1deb574e.1ec76.136a6b4aed8.Webtop.46@charter.net>
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On 4/12/12 6:18 AM, jkhagen at charter.net wrote:
> FOT's--Do you want to save the starter or make horse power.  According 
> to Myron Cottrell -[Cotrell Racing Engines] some of the best in the 
> nation-do not wrap or coat headers--you want heat to excape engine and 
> headers any way possible. John Hagen
Also, traditional wrap collects moisture and holds it next to the steel 
headers.  I had a wrapped header literately turn to rust flakes within 5 
years running in a moist environment.  If you decide the starter is more 
important I suggest you get the inside of the headers ceramic coated, 
paint liquid ceramic coating on the body of the starter motor and sleeve 
your wiring.

Teriann


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Apr 12 10:03:01 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:03:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
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Just as an aside, high performance two-stroke expansion chambers benefit
from having the header pipe and initial cones wrapped up to the center
chamber. 


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Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:51 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue

On 4/12/12 6:18 AM, jkhagen at charter.net wrote:
> FOT's--Do you want to save the starter or make horse power.  According 
> to Myron Cottrell -[Cotrell Racing Engines] some of the best in the 
> nation-do not wrap or coat headers--you want heat to excape engine and 
> headers any way possible. John Hagen
Also, traditional wrap collects moisture and holds it next to the steel
headers.  I had a wrapped header literately turn to rust flakes within 5
years running in a moist environment.  If you decide the starter is more
important I suggest you get the inside of the headers ceramic coated, paint
liquid ceramic coating on the body of the starter motor and sleeve your
wiring.

Teriann
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 12 10:38:41 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:38:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Shirts
In-Reply-To: <OF1A26BEF9.EC247150-ON852579DE.0056843C-852579DE.0056B3B7@us.ibm.com>
References: <mailman.10671.1334238984.3017.fot@autox.team.net>,
	<OF1A26BEF9.EC247150-ON852579DE.0056843C-852579DE.0056B3B7@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <BLU168-W573EAAB9856A8A4EF52E76BA3A0@phx.gbl>

Thanks Mike.  The big thanks should go out to Steve Belfer for that great
artwork that made it all happen.

Marty


> To: fot at autox.team.net
> From: harmug at us.ibm.com
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:47:00 -0400
> Subject: [Fot] Shirts
>
> Received a box of FOT and Mitty shirts last night. They look great.
> Hats off (Next SWAG? ) to Marty and Ted for doing this.
>
> mike h
> 14 days and counting
>
> G. Michael Harmuth
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>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Apr 12 11:12:09 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:12:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] :  Shirts and Poster    TED  MARTY  STEVE  IRV  VTR
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W573EAAB9856A8A4EF52E76BA3A0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.10671.1334238984.3017.fot@autox.team.net>,
	<OF1A26BEF9.EC247150-ON852579DE.0056843C-852579DE.0056B3B7@us.ibm.com>
	<BLU168-W573EAAB9856A8A4EF52E76BA3A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CEE6E68667388F-1F80-10091@webmail-m103.sysops.aol.com>

 10-4 on the thanks to those guys.

I am hoping that they will be involved in the 2013 KASTNER CUP, too.

Thanks also to VTR for sponsoring the official FOT poster for this Kastner
Cup, once again, and to Irv Korey acting as their representative at THE
MITTY.

Steve Belfer, would you contact me off list? I have a proposal for you. I
tried an email address and it didnt work.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: Mike Harmuth <harmug at us.ibm.com>; FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 11:42 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Shirts


Thanks Mike.  The big thanks should go out to Steve Belfer for that great
artwork that made it all happen.

Marty


> To: fot at autox.team.net
> From: harmug at us.ibm.com
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:47:00 -0400
> Subject: [Fot] Shirts
>
> Received a box of FOT and Mitty shirts last night. They look great.
> Hats off (Next SWAG? ) to Marty and Ted for doing this.
>
> mike h
> 14 days and counting
>
> G. Michael Harmuth
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>
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From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Thu Apr 12 11:56:14 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:56:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <1deb574e.1ec76.136a6b4aed8.Webtop.46@charter.net>
References: <1deb574e.1ec76.136a6b4aed8.Webtop.46@charter.net>
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AF3@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

How then do I start my car on the grid?

EED



-----Original Message-----
From: jkhagen at charter.net [mailto:jkhagen at charter.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:19 AM
To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
Cc: Edward Dunn; Triumph Friends of
Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue

FOT's--Do you want to save the starter or make horse power.  According
to Myron Cottrell -[Cotrell Racing Engines] some of the best in the
nation-do not wrap or coat headers--you want heat to excape engine and
headers any way possible. John Hagen


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu Apr 12 12:30:40 2012
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:30:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Shirts
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W573EAAB9856A8A4EF52E76BA3A0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.10671.1334238984.3017.fot@autox.team.net>,
	<OF1A26BEF9.EC247150-ON852579DE.0056843C-852579DE.0056B3B7@us.ibm.com>
	<BLU168-W573EAAB9856A8A4EF52E76BA3A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F871F50.2080607@bright.net>

Marty, right your are.  Kudo's to Steve B. Ted


On 4/12/2012 12:38 PM, marty sukey wrote:
> Thanks Mike.  The big thanks should go out to Steve Belfer for that great
> artwork that made it all happen.
>
> Marty
>
>
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> From: harmug at us.ibm.com
>> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:47:00 -0400
>> Subject: [Fot] Shirts
>>
>> Received a box of FOT and Mitty shirts last night. They look great.
>> Hats off (Next SWAG? ) to Marty and Ted for doing this.
>>
>> mike h
>> 14 days and counting
>>
>> G. Michael Harmuth
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
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>>
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Phone: 800.543.6648 (US&  Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 12 13:12:21 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:12:21 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
Message-ID: <mailman.62.1638251576.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

Be first and let you push by other cars behind you.

------Originalnachricht------
Von: Edward Dunn
Absender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
Gesendet: 12. Apr. 2012 19:56

How then do I start my car on the grid?

EED



-----Original Message-----
From: jkhagen at charter.net [mailto:jkhagen at charter.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:19 AM
To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
Cc: Edward Dunn; Triumph Friends of
Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue

FOT's--Do you want to save the starter or make horse power.  According
to Myron Cottrell -[Cotrell Racing Engines] some of the best in the
nation-do not wrap or coat headers--you want heat to excape engine and
headers any way possible. John Hagen
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Apr 12 16:00:20 2012
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:00:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
References: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F0BBB0C3AD9D420BA7FED0E456FEA3CE@rocky>

Migawd, is Paeco even still in business? First thing I'd do, if Paeco ground 
the cam, is check the cam to be sure it is the correct specs. (If they're 
selling you someone else's cam, I'd not worry as much.)

I could tell you multiple horror stories about dealing with Paeco, none of 
them good. To the end I ceased doing business with them years ago.

While you don't say what car your cam is in, the Rick Cline cam in my 
Spitfire has clearances of .022/.024 hot.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:04 PM
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot


> My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014 
> intake/.016
> exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
> folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
> clearances may be a bit too tight.
>
> That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless 
> (I
> don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this 
> question)
> he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
> motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
> optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my 
> valve
> lash is too tight.
>
> Appreciate your input..
>
> Thx
>
> Ty


From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 12 16:08:46 2012
From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:08:46 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
In-Reply-To: <F0BBB0C3AD9D420BA7FED0E456FEA3CE@rocky>
References: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>
	<F0BBB0C3AD9D420BA7FED0E456FEA3CE@rocky>
Message-ID: <AE31F76E-2941-4EEE-A6B2-5C91377F2D26@yahoo.com>

There web site is up.  The cam was in the car (TR4) when I bought it so I
really don't know much else about it.

Thx

Ty


Sent from my iPad
(Please excuse any errors or typos)

On Apr 12, 2012, at 4:00 PM, "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote:

> Migawd, is Paeco even still in business? First thing I'd do, if Paeco ground
the cam, is check the cam to be sure it is the correct specs. (If they're
selling you someone else's cam, I'd not worry as much.)
>
> I could tell you multiple horror stories about dealing with Paeco, none of
them good. To the end I ceased doing business with them years ago.
>
> While you don't say what car your cam is in, the Rick Cline cam in my
Spitfire has clearances of .022/.024 hot.
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:04 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
>
>
>> My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014
intake/.016
>> exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
>> folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
>> clearances may be a bit too tight.
>>
>> That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless
(I
>> don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this
question)
>> he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
>> motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
>> optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my
valve
>> lash is too tight.
>>
>> Appreciate your input..
>>
>> Thx
>>
>> Ty


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Apr 12 16:29:49 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:29:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
In-Reply-To: <AE31F76E-2941-4EEE-A6B2-5C91377F2D26@yahoo.com>
References: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com><F0BBB0C3AD9D420BA7FED0E456FEA3CE@rocky>
	<AE31F76E-2941-4EEE-A6B2-5C91377F2D26@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CEE712E7B9AD87-1F80-1392C@webmail-m103.sysops.aol.com>

Other than some other similar remarks, this is the first that PAECO has come
up in a long time.

I have not (knowingly) bought anything from them, so I have nothing to say.

Does any one have anything specific to say about them?





Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Tylerpthompson <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
To: Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net> <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 5:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot


There web site is up.  The cam was in the car (TR4) when I bought it so I
really don't know much else about it.

Thx

Ty


Sent from my iPad
(Please excuse any errors or typos)

On Apr 12, 2012, at 4:00 PM, "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote:

> Migawd, is Paeco even still in business? First thing I'd do, if Paeco
ground
the cam, is check the cam to be sure it is the correct specs. (If they're
selling you someone else's cam, I'd not worry as much.)
>
> I could tell you multiple horror stories about dealing with Paeco, none of
them good. To the end I ceased doing business with them years ago.
>
> While you don't say what car your cam is in, the Rick Cline cam in my
Spitfire has clearances of .022/.024 hot.
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:04 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
>
>
>> My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014
intake/.016
>> exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
>> folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
>> clearances may be a bit too tight.
>>
>> That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless
(I
>> don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this
question)
>> he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
>> motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
>> optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my
valve
>> lash is too tight.
>>
>> Appreciate your input..
>>
>> Thx
>>
>> Ty
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Apr 12 16:46:36 2012
From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:46:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
In-Reply-To: <8CEE712E7B9AD87-1F80-1392C@webmail-m103.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20120412184636.0G9EN.330098.imail@fed1rmwml106>

I used to receive their catalogues bu their prices always seemed incredibly high and I never bought anything from them because of that.

Joe C.


---- Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote: 
> Other than some other similar remarks, this is the first that PAECO has come
> up in a long time.
> 
> I have not (knowingly) bought anything from them, so I have nothing to say.
> 
> Does any one have anything specific to say about them?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tylerpthompson <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
> To: Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 5:14 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
> 
> 
> There web site is up.  The cam was in the car (TR4) when I bought it so I
> really don't know much else about it.
> 
> Thx
> 
> Ty
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
> 
> On Apr 12, 2012, at 4:00 PM, "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote:
> 
> > Migawd, is Paeco even still in business? First thing I'd do, if Paeco
> ground
> the cam, is check the cam to be sure it is the correct specs. (If they're
> selling you someone else's cam, I'd not worry as much.)
> >
> > I could tell you multiple horror stories about dealing with Paeco, none of
> them good. To the end I ceased doing business with them years ago.
> >
> > While you don't say what car your cam is in, the Rick Cline cam in my
> Spitfire has clearances of .022/.024 hot.
> >
> > --Rocky Entriken
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
> > To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:04 PM
> > Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
> >
> >
> >> My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014
> intake/.016
> >> exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
> >> folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
> >> clearances may be a bit too tight.
> >>
> >> That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless
> (I
> >> don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this
> question)
> >> he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
> >> motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
> >> optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my
> valve
> >> lash is too tight.
> >>
> >> Appreciate your input..
> >>
> >> Thx
> >>
> >> Ty
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Thu Apr 12 17:03:54 2012
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:03:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
In-Reply-To: <20120412184636.0G9EN.330098.imail@fed1rmwml106>
References: <8CEE712E7B9AD87-1F80-1392C@webmail-m103.sysops.aol.com>,
	<20120412184636.0G9EN.330098.imail@fed1rmwml106>
Message-ID: <SNT134-W46D3A383C8BCB6E31D01DF903A0@phx.gbl>

I have a brand new PAECO cam for my MG motor that I got in a pile of parts and
am wondering if I shoul put it in the
engine.................................Henry Morrison


> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:46:36 -0700
> From: spitlist at cox.net
> To: n197tr4 at cs.com; Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com; rocky at spitfire4.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO
>
> I used to receive their catalogues bu their prices always seemed incredibly
high and I never bought anything from them because of that.
>
> Joe C.
>
>
> ---- Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
> > Other than some other similar remarks, this is the first that PAECO has
come
> > up in a long time.
> >
> > I have not (knowingly) bought anything from them, so I have nothing to
say.
> >
> > Does any one have anything specific to say about them?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> > A. R. E.
> > 645 1st Street
> > Jesup, Iowa 50648
> > 319.464.4711 (cell)
> > n197tr4 at cs.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tylerpthompson <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
> > To: Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com>
> > Cc: <fot at autox.team.net> <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 5:14 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
> >
> >
> > There web site is up. The cam was in the car (TR4) when I bought it so I
> > really don't know much else about it.
> >
> > Thx
> >
> > Ty
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> > (Please excuse any errors or typos)
> >
> > On Apr 12, 2012, at 4:00 PM, "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
wrote:
> >
> > > Migawd, is Paeco even still in business? First thing I'd do, if Paeco
> > ground
> > the cam, is check the cam to be sure it is the correct specs. (If they're
> > selling you someone else's cam, I'd not worry as much.)
> > >
> > > I could tell you multiple horror stories about dealing with Paeco, none
of
> > them good. To the end I ceased doing business with them years ago.
> > >
> > > While you don't say what car your cam is in, the Rick Cline cam in my
> > Spitfire has clearances of .022/.024 hot.
> > >
> > > --Rocky Entriken
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
> > > To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:04 PM
> > > Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
> > >
> > >
> > >> My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam. The cam card calls for a .014
> > intake/.016
> > >> exhaust valve lash. A little looser than stock, but not by much. I
know
> > >> folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
> > >> clearances may be a bit too tight.
> > >>
> > >> That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain
nameless
> > (I
> > >> don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this
> > question)
> > >> he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a
hot
> > >> motor after a race. We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is
an
> > >> optimum clearance we should be shooting for. Just a thought in case my
> > valve
> > >> lash is too tight.
> > >>
> > >> Appreciate your input..
> > >>
> > >> Thx
> > >>
> > >> Ty
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
> >
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Thu Apr 12 17:48:10 2012
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:48:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 6 Cylinder Heads
Message-ID: <4F8769BA.2000102@pobox.com>

I'm still working on the specs for my warmed up TR250. I have received 
conflicting opinions as to which head is better. The early US spec heads 
had smaller ports than the PI heads and the later carb heads.  Does 
anyone have any firm data, e.g. flow data or dyno data, to support the 
superiority of one head over the other?  Kas did the 128 mph 
demonstration using a mildly modified TR250 with small port head.
Larry Young


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Apr 12 18:39:30 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 20:39:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
Message-ID: <8CEE72505E39AC5-1F80-150F4@webmail-m103.sysops.aol.com>

 A short review of PAECO website:

Might be worth a trip through it just for entertainment.

They might have some interesting stuff on the shelf, including some Titanium
parts.

There's a GT6 CRANKSHAFT sitting on the shelf at a seemingly good
price...'internet specia'l.

Prices seem mostly high, but that might be just me.

I heard one very disastrous FOT engine story from several years ago, that was
simply wrong in all respects. But most of us have our own favorite engine
builders close by, anyway.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Apr 12 20:00:48 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 02:00:48 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 6 Cylinder Heads
In-Reply-To: <4F8769BA.2000102@pobox.com>
References: <4F8769BA.2000102@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W27336921EAFBA9EA742907DF3B0@phx.gbl>

Remember that that speed was an AVERAGE at Daytona. It was all original stock
TR-250 material before the car was introduced to the public.

Never be beaten by equipment
 > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:48:10 -0500
> From: cartravel at pobox.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] 6 Cylinder Heads
>
> I'm still working on the specs for my warmed up TR250. I have received
> conflicting opinions as to which head is better. The early US spec heads
> had smaller ports than the PI heads and the later carb heads.  Does
> anyone have any firm data, e.g. flow data or dyno data, to support the
> superiority of one head over the other?  Kas did the 128 mph
> demonstration using a mildly modified TR250 with small port head.
> Larry Young
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Apr 12 20:09:57 2012
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 21:09:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 front corners/brakes
Message-ID: <203C6BB7DB7E46B89DCA733314E785FF@rocky>

So, does anybody just happen to have a GT6 parts car or hulk sitting around
with front corners intact?

Mainly I'm looking to upgrade my Spitfire disc brakes and I'm told I want to
hang GT6 corners on the car. Don't need the shocks, A-arms optional, but
everything else.

Should you have such you're willing to part with, gimme a shout.

--Rocky Entriken


From gp89 at charter.net  Thu Apr 12 20:44:48 2012
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 22:44:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
Message-ID: <7506d8d1.2b79b.136a996b82d.Webtop.46@charter.net>

My experience with them was less than poor. I had a Paeco built engine 
in my first Spit. Lots of bad reviews.
  Jeff Senty


On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Joe Alexander wrote:

> A short review of PAECO website:
>
> Might be worth a trip through it just for entertainment.
>
> They might have some interesting stuff on the shelf, including some 
> Titanium
> parts.
>
> There's a GT6 CRANKSHAFT sitting on the shelf at a seemingly good
> price...'internet specia'l.
>
> Prices seem mostly high, but that might be just me.
>
> I heard one very disastrous FOT engine story from several years ago, 
> that was
> simply wrong in all respects. But most of us have our own favorite 
> engine
> builders close by, anyway.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Fri Apr 13 07:37:15 2012
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:37:15 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
Message-ID: <20120413.093715.17533.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com>

Tyler, it was always my understanding that valve lash should be set while the
engine is hot.  You want the specified lash while the engine is running at
operating temperature and the closest way to get that is with a hot engine.

I think some of my earlier cams had lash of 14 and 16, but as the cams got
bigger the lash got bigger.  Yes with bigger clearances you lose some total
lift, but with bigger clearances the valve opens more suddenly and sometimes
engines respond the that.  Bigger lash is also harsher on the valve train as
the parts are moving faster when they come together. Trying different
clearances on a dyno would best determine what the engine wants.  Joe(B)

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From: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
To: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:04:26 -0600

My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014 intake/.016
exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
clearances may be a bit too tight.

That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless (I
don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this question)
he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my valve
lash is too tight.

Appreciate your input..

Thx

Ty


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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 13 12:08:22 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:08:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
In-Reply-To: <7506d8d1.2b79b.136a996b82d.Webtop.46@charter.net>
References: <7506d8d1.2b79b.136a996b82d.Webtop.46@charter.net>
Message-ID: <1334340502.67389.YahooMailNeo@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I saw a flywheel for a TR6 made by them back in the early nineties that was
made from some sort of soft aluminum. The ring gear was loose (before it was
even installed on the car) and it was a loose fit on the crankshaft. I Told
the guy to send it back and find another source. 
Mike

From: Jeff Senty
<gp89 at charter.net>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> 
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO

My experience
with them was less than poor. I had a Paeco built engine in my first Spit.
Lots of bad reviews.
Jeff Senty


On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Joe
Alexander wrote:

> A short review of PAECO website:
> 
> Might be worth a
trip through it just for entertainment.
> 
> They might have some interesting
stuff on the shelf, including some Titanium
> parts.
> 
> There's a GT6
CRANKSHAFT sitting on the shelf at a seemingly good
> price...'internet
specia'l.
> 
> Prices seem mostly high, but that might be just me.
> 
> I
heard one very disastrous FOT engine story from several years ago, that was
>
simply wrong in all respects. But most of us have our own favorite engine
>
builders close by, anyway.
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st
Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 13 13:29:08 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 21:29:08 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
In-Reply-To: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>
References: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001301cd19ab$b3d51280$1b7f3780$@com>

I did a lot of measurements between cold and hot engine but didn't find any
difference except burned fingers.
For my part I set it cold. It might be a difference with an aluminum engine
but with a cast iron engine it seems quite constant.

Cheers
Chris

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Auftrag von Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. April 2012 04:04
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot

My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014
intake/.016
exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
clearances may be a bit too tight.

That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless
(I
don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this
question)
he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my
valve
lash is too tight.

Appreciate your input..

Thx

Ty


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From riverside at southslope.net  Fri Apr 13 14:44:44 2012
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:44:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
In-Reply-To: <1334340502.67389.YahooMailNeo@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <7506d8d1.2b79b.136a996b82d.Webtop.46@charter.net>
	<1334340502.67389.YahooMailNeo@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0BF980A577524B4AAD70897984CF686A@rileyPC>

I bought some totally unusable  TR3 intake valves
back in 1970.  Never heard a good word.  I'd put that cam in a cam Dr. and 
have all lobes hardness checked
and if all is well still be scared stiff.

art de armond

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Munson
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 1:08 PM
To: Jeff Senty ; Joe Alexander
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO

I saw a flywheel for a TR6 made by them back in the early nineties that was
made from some sort of soft aluminum. The ring gear was loose (before it was
even installed on the car) and it was a loose fit on the crankshaft. I Told
the guy to send it back and find another source.
Mike

From: Jeff Senty
<gp89 at charter.net>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO

My experience
with them was less than poor. I had a Paeco built engine in my first Spit.
Lots of bad reviews.
Jeff Senty


On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Joe
Alexander wrote:

> A short review of PAECO website:
>
> Might be worth a
trip through it just for entertainment.
>
> They might have some interesting
stuff on the shelf, including some Titanium
> parts.
>
> There's a GT6
CRANKSHAFT sitting on the shelf at a seemingly good
> price...'internet
specia'l.
>
> Prices seem mostly high, but that might be just me.
>
> I
heard one very disastrous FOT engine story from several years ago, that was
>
simply wrong in all respects. But most of us have our own favorite engine
>
builders close by, anyway.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st
Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
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From mdporter at dfn.com  Fri Apr 13 19:27:12 2012
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:27:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
In-Reply-To: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>
References: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4F88D270.6050407@dfn.com>

On 4/11/2012 8:04 PM, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:
> My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014 intake/.016
> exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
> folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
> clearances may be a bit too tight.
>
> That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless (I
> don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this question)
> he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
> motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
> optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my valve
> lash is too tight.
>
>

I'm kind of surprised Larry Young hasn't weighed in on this one.  Here's 
his Tilden Tech page on valve lash:

http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tip_Lash.html

Larry does make a point about the difference between opening quickly and 
acceleration (i.e., the two are not equivalent).

As for lash hot/cold, it's a lot easier to get uniform settings doing it 
cold, if only because one has to move like the bejesus to get (in the 
case of a 6-cyl.) twelve valves adjusted while the engine's still hot, 
and there's always the worry that the engine will cool enough that some 
will end up being too loose. It's fine to /check/ them hot against the 
cold settings, and calculate the best cold setting.  As for any uniform 
rules, engine to engine, about them getting tighter or looser with 
temperature, or by how much, I doubt it.  When I was doing a lot of 
air-cooled VW engines, it occurred to me that a stock cold lash of 
0.006" didn't seem like much, given how hot the exhaust valves ran 
(thinking that the stems would grow quite a bit).  Not so.  The heads 
got a good deal taller, and the hot lash was ~ 0.016".  All-iron 
engines, on average, probably grow less, because the coefficient of 
expansion is ~ 1/4 that of aluminum.

Another tip on the lash is to have a really critical eye about the 
rocker noses. Even though they're hardened, they have a tendency to 
pound down after a while, and if there's even the slightest cupping, 
you'll find it nearly impossible to get the lash right with an ordinary 
shim stock gauge.

Cheers.


-- 


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Roswell, NM


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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Fri Apr 13 19:34:36 2012
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:34:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
References: <7506d8d1.2b79b.136a996b82d.Webtop.46@charter.net>
Message-ID: <EE9196C212534AADA147ED40D634C5D2@rocky>

Let's see. My PAECO Spitfire "full race" engine:

. Layers of oil-soaked dirt in the oil pan
. Wrong front plate (TR4 plate, which lacked the engine mounts)
. Burr in #1 lifter hole caused stuck lifter and broken cam immediately on 
trying to drive the car
. Engine sent back to PAECO for warranty fix, it was returned with the burr 
still there.
. Engine shipped back and returned at my expense, shipping an engine ain't 
cheap, PAECO refused to cover the cost
. PAECO shipped the engine back freight collect declaring weight to be 
double the actual, adding $200 to shipping cost.
. Valve springs -- all the inners and couple of outers broke within half a 
season of autocross.
. One valve spring bit got into the oil pump, breaking it.
. When compression ratio was checked by another mechanic, my "13:1" engine 
measured at 10.69:1.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Senty" <gp89 at charter.net>
To: "Joe Alexander" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO


> My experience with them was less than poor. I had a Paeco built engine in 
> my first Spit. Lots of bad reviews.
>  Jeff Senty
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Joe Alexander wrote:
>
>> A short review of PAECO website:
>>
>> Might be worth a trip through it just for entertainment.
>>
>> They might have some interesting stuff on the shelf, including some 
>> Titanium
>> parts.
>>
>> There's a GT6 CRANKSHAFT sitting on the shelf at a seemingly good
>> price...'internet specia'l.
>>
>> Prices seem mostly high, but that might be just me.
>>
>> I heard one very disastrous FOT engine story from several years ago, that 
>> was
>> simply wrong in all respects. But most of us have our own favorite engine
>> builders close by, anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe Alexander
>> A. R. E.
>> 645 1st Street
>> Jesup, Iowa 50648
>> 319.464.4711  (cell)
>> n197tr4 at cs.com
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From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 13 20:19:44 2012
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?dHlsZXJwdGhvbXBzb25AeWFob28uY29t?=)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:19:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Valve_Lash_While_Engine_is_Hot?=
Message-ID: <242651.32520.bm@smtp202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Thanks Michael.  Very informative. 

Ty. 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone

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To: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:27 pm
On 4/11/2012 8:04 PM, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:

My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014 intake/.016
exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
clearances may be a bit too tight.

That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless (I
don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this question)
he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my valve
lash is too tight.






I'm kind of surprised Larry Young hasn't weighed in on this one. 
Here's his Tilden Tech page on valve lash:



http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tip_Lash.html



Larry does make a point about the difference between opening quickly
and acceleration (i.e., the two are not equivalent).



As for lash hot/cold, it's a lot easier to get uniform settings
doing it cold, if only because one has to move like the bejesus to
get (in the case of a 6-cyl.) twelve valves adjusted while the
engine's still hot, and there's always the worry that the engine
will cool enough that some will end up being too loose. It's fine to
check them hot against the cold settings, and calculate the
best cold setting.  As for any uniform rules, engine to engine,
about them getting tighter or looser with temperature, or by how
much, I doubt it.  When I was doing a lot of air-cooled VW engines,
it occurred to me that a stock cold lash of 0.006" didn't seem like
much, given how hot the exhaust valves ran (thinking that the stems
would grow quite a bit).  Not so.  The heads got a good deal taller,
and the hot lash was ~ 0.016".  All-iron engines, on average,
probably grow less, because the coefficient of expansion is ~ 1/4
that of aluminum.  



Another tip on the lash is to have a really critical eye about the
rocker noses. Even though they're hardened, they have a tendency to
pound down after a while, and if there's even the slightest cupping,
you'll find it nearly impossible to get the lash right with an
ordinary shim stock gauge.



Cheers.





-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 13 20:20:52 2012
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?dHlsZXJwdGhvbXBzb25AeWFob28uY29t?=)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:20:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?PAECO?=
Message-ID: <244078.76517.bm@smtp215.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I am going to get another cam!

Ty

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: "Jeff Senty" <gp89 at charter.net>, "Joe Alexander" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:34 pm


Let's see. My PAECO Spitfire "full race" engine:

. Layers of oil-soaked dirt in the oil pan
. Wrong front plate (TR4 plate, which lacked the engine mounts)
. Burr in #1 lifter hole caused stuck lifter and broken cam immediately on 
trying to drive the car
. Engine sent back to PAECO for warranty fix, it was returned with the burr 
still there.
. Engine shipped back and returned at my expense, shipping an engine ain't 
cheap, PAECO refused to cover the cost
. PAECO shipped the engine back freight collect declaring weight to be 
double the actual, adding $200 to shipping cost.
. Valve springs -- all the inners and couple of outers broke within half a 
season of autocross.
. One valve spring bit got into the oil pump, breaking it.
. When compression ratio was checked by another mechanic, my "13:1" engine 
measured at 10.69:1.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Senty" <gp89 at charter.net>
To: "Joe Alexander" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO


> My experience with them was less than poor. I had a Paeco built engine in 
> my first Spit. Lots of bad reviews.
>  Jeff Senty
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Joe Alexander wrote:
>
>> A short review of PAECO website:
>>
>> Might be worth a trip through it just for entertainment.
>>
>> They might have some interesting stuff on the shelf, including some 
>> Titanium
>> parts.
>>
>> There's a GT6 CRANKSHAFT sitting on the shelf at a seemingly good
>> price...'internet specia'l.
>>
>> Prices seem mostly high, but that might be just me.
>>
>> I heard one very disastrous FOT engine story from several years ago, that 
>> was
>> simply wrong in all respects. But most of us have our own favorite engine
>> builders close by, anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe Alexander
>> A. R. E.
>> 645 1st Street
>> Jesup, Iowa 50648
>> 319.464.4711  (cell)
>> n197tr4 at cs.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Fri Apr 13 21:13:44 2012
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 22:13:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] VTR South Central Regional
Message-ID: <955E4D4B-4857-4767-9257-A868796FCFD9@aol.com>

Just a reminder that the 28th annual VTR South Central Regional is happening
on April 26-28 in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma.  For more information see our web
site at:
www.greencountrytriumphs.com
Or contact me.  Surely EVERYBODY isn't going to the Mitty!  And I mean VTR
reps too ;-)


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Sat Apr 14 09:05:27 2012
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 11:05:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirts
Message-ID: <4F899237.7030502@bright.net>

Hello list.  Thanks for a great response to the Kastner Cup shirts. We 
printed only the amount that were ordered - no extras. There have been 
some requests for additional shirts.  So, if there
is enough interest, we will do an additional print run of shirts. This 
is a one time only print run.  Due to the number we printed on the first 
run, we were able to keep the cost down. Shirt prices will be higher 
than previous run due to lower volume and set-up expense. We need a 
minimum 36 piece order to do another run.  Prices will be $15 Small - 
X-Large; $17 for XXL.  If we have eough orders to run 48 or more, price 
goes down by $1 per shirt.  Pictures of  shirt are attached.

There is a possiblity that we could have them done in time for pick at 
Road Atlanta.  A go/no go date for ordering is close of business this 
coming Wednesday, April 18.
Please call or email with your order. All contact information is on the 
signature line of this email.
Thanks for your time and support. Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US&  Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_0735.JPG]

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From REK46 at aol.com  Sat Apr 14 10:26:21 2012
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 12:26:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] stud size
Message-ID: <36fa.87e9aa4.3cbaff2d@aol.com>

what is thread size and length for the stock GT-6 or TR-6  headstuds?


From mnewman at embarqmail.com  Sat Apr 14 11:30:56 2012
From: mnewman at embarqmail.com (William T newman)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 13:30:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Hardtop
Message-ID: <679044226.1889396.1334424656370.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com>

I have a factory steel hardtop for a Spitfire MkIV or 1500 for sale. It has the original paint in red (no rust), all glass is intact and the headliner is in place with a few small tears. The top is in the Ft. Myers, Florida area, but I can bring it to the Mitty if anyone is serious about buying it. I will let it go for $400. Please contact me off list if interested.

Bill Newman
#44 GT6


From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Apr 14 12:09:47 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 12:09:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>

Edward Dunn wrote:
> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
> question that may have already been answered.
>
>

Yes.  When you click on the archive link in the emails, you should
get to the top level page.  It would be nice if it were set up so that
one could search multiple lists at a time, but that isn't currently
available.

You have to click on a list name, and the top level page for that
list should have a search box near the top.

And on a side note if you click on the ads displayed on the archive
pages a couple of pennies goes into Team.Net's coffers and costs
you nothing.  If a few hundred people out of the thousands on all
the lists did that every day, I could do away with the annual fund
drive.


mjb.


From goodparts at verizon.net  Sat Apr 14 12:51:36 2012
From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 14:51:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] stud size
In-Reply-To: <36fa.87e9aa4.3cbaff2d@aol.com>
References: <36fa.87e9aa4.3cbaff2d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5ABB87B2BCD44B26BF1C2F067AD0158A@AdminPC>

7/16-20 x 4.82"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <REK46 at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:26 PM
Subject: [Fot] stud size


> what is thread size and length for the stock GT-6 or TR-6  headstuds?
> _______________________________________________


From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Sat Apr 14 13:22:35 2012
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:22:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <7E83E769-0F7D-4741-AEC3-5E3640E1BD1E@aol.com>

I didn't realize that clicking the ads add some pennies to our coffers. 

Now I will go out of my way and try to do it as much as I can

Thank you

Chris

On Apr 14, 2012, at 2:09 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

> Edward Dunn wrote:
>> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
>> question that may have already been answered.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Yes.  When you click on the archive link in the emails, you should
> get to the top level page.  It would be nice if it were set up so that
> one could search multiple lists at a time, but that isn't currently
> available.
> 
> You have to click on a list name, and the top level page for that
> list should have a search box near the top.
> 
> And on a side note if you click on the ads displayed on the archive
> pages a couple of pennies goes into Team.Net's coffers and costs
> you nothing.  If a few hundred people out of the thousands on all
> the lists did that every day, I could do away with the annual fund
> drive.
> 
> 
> mjb.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> 
> http://www.fot-racing.com
> 
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Sat Apr 14 13:34:49 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 12:34:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

No ads on any screen I see.  Just gray on the right side...

Ed




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:10 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue

Edward Dunn wrote:
> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking
> a question that may have already been answered.
>
>

Yes.  When you click on the archive link in the emails, you should get to the
top level page.  It would be nice if it were set up so that one could search
multiple lists at a time, but that isn't currently available.

You have to click on a list name, and the top level page for that list should
have a search box near the top.

And on a side note if you click on the ads displayed on the archive pages a
couple of pennies goes into Team.Net's coffers and costs you nothing.  If a
few hundred people out of the thousands on all the lists did that every day, I
could do away with the annual fund drive.


mjb.
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Apr 14 15:38:25 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 14:38:25 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local><4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
	<36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <079001cd1a86$ecbe0b70$0601a8c0@randall>

> No ads on any screen I see.  Just gray on the right side...

Ditto, even after disabling the ad-blocker plug-in.

-- Randall  


From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Apr 14 18:08:05 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:08:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
	<36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>

When you go to http://www.team.net/archive/fot you should see
something like http://www.team.net/images/archive_page.png

Is this not happening for some folks?

mjb.


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Apr 14 18:29:24 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 19:29:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
In-Reply-To: <4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
	<36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.63.1638251576.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

I have a Moss ad when I go there...  (Using IE 8)

Tony

At 07:08 PM 4/14/2012, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
>When you go to http://www.team.net/archive/fot you should see
>something like http://www.team.net/images/archive_page.png
>
>Is this not happening for some folks?
>
>mjb.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Apr 14 18:48:01 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:48:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
In-Reply-To: <4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local><4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <8CEE8B88B2275E2-1D38-3341@webmail-m138.sysops.aol.com>

 i got a VISTAPRINT ad



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: FoT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Apr 14, 2012 7:06 pm
Subject: [Fot] Archives?


When you go to http://www.team.net/archive/fot you should see
something like http://www.team.net/images/archive_page.png

Is this not happening for some folks?

mjb.
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http://www.fot-racing.com

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From robertten1 at aol.com  Sat Apr 14 19:19:24 2012
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:19:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
In-Reply-To: <8CEE8B88B2275E2-1D38-3341@webmail-m138.sysops.aol.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local><4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local><4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
	<8CEE8B88B2275E2-1D38-3341@webmail-m138.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CEE8BCED29842B-2074-1376E@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com>

 I got a UTI Nascar Ad



Bob T





-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: mark <mark at bradakis.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Apr 14, 2012 8:53 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Archives?


 i got a VISTAPRINT ad







Joe Alexander

A. R. E.

645 1st Street

Jesup, Iowa 50648

319.464.4711  (cell)

n197tr4 at cs.com











-----Original Message-----

From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>

To: FoT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>

Sent: Sat, Apr 14, 2012 7:06 pm

Subject: [Fot] Archives?





When you go to http://www.team.net/archive/fot you should see

something like http://www.team.net/images/archive_page.png



Is this not happening for some folks?



mjb.

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fot at autox.team.net



http://www.fot-racing.com



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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Apr 14 22:01:34 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:01:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
In-Reply-To: <8CEE8BCED29842B-2074-1376E@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local><4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local><4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
	<8CEE8B88B2275E2-1D38-3341@webmail-m138.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CEE8BCED29842B-2074-1376E@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4F8A481E.6060108@bradakis.com>

Sounds like folks are getting the right stuff for the most part, except
for those who's settings are having an effect at there end.

I'm bummed about missing the Mitty.

mjb.


From rjl at gt-classics.com  Sun Apr 15 03:28:03 2012
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 05:28:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
In-Reply-To: <4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
	<36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4F8A94A3.7010004@gt-classics.com>

I don't get an image, but I do get links to three ads.

I'm using Firefox 11.0

John

On 4/14/2012 8:08 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> When you go to http://www.team.net/archive/fot you should see
> something like http://www.team.net/images/archive_page.png
>
> Is this not happening for some folks?
>
> mjb.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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> Unsubscribe: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rjl at gt-classics.com
>
>
>
>

-- 
Thanks,
R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net


From BillDentin at aol.com  Sun Apr 15 11:45:25 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:45:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Parts need (for the MITTY)...
Message-ID: <57a7.41fdd394.3cbc6335@aol.com>

Amici...

In order to run the MITTY...I need to find an early GIRLING B LEFT HAND 
FRONT BRAKE CALIPER (the casting, I have all of the other necessary 
components).  The seat in mine for the bleed nipple is finally compromised.   It will 
no longer seat the bleed nipple.  I am still running the original rotors and 
calipers on a fifty-five year old race car (the warranty has probably 
expired). 

In the MOSS catalogue this is the one piece, Exhibit A on their TR2-4 Brake 
page.  Does someone have one (useable) they would sell and ship to me ASAP?

Bill Dentinger


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Sun Apr 15 12:48:35 2012
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 14:48:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kasatner Cup t.shirt
Message-ID: <4F8B1803.4000103@bright.net>

Hello lists, again. We sent out an email about doing another run of 
Kastner Cup t.shirts.  The email lists strip photos from emails so a 
friend was good enough to post the pictures on his personal web site. A 
link to the pictures is attached along with a copy of our original 
email. Thanks for your time and  indulgence. Ted

http://littlebluespitfire.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=6612

Hello lists. Triumph is the featured marque at the upcoming Walter Mitty
vintage races at Road Atlanta. This event is also featuring a special
all Triumph race and the Grand Marshall is "Kas"Kastner. Kas was the
founder and head of the US Triumph Competition Department.  He wrote the
Competition Preparation manuals that served as the bible for generations
of Triumph racers.   "FOT", group of TR racers, along with Kas started
the Kastner Cup award 10 years ago. Awarded by Kas and to his own
personal criteria, this is a prestigious honor for any TR racer.
We did a production run Kastner Cup T.shirts for the FOT group. The
response has been excellent and another, small run of shirts is being
considered.  Some of the proceeds go to FOT to fund things like helping
with travel expense for honored guests, promoting FOT event involvement
and more.



So, if there is enough interest, we will do an additional print run of
shirts. This is a one time only print run.  Due to the number we printed
on the first run, we were able to keep the cost down. Shirt prices will
be higher than previous run due to lower volume and set-up expense. We
need a minimum 36 piece order to do another run.  Prices will be $15 for
Small - X-Large; $17 for XXL.  If we have eough orders to run 48 or
more, price goes down by $1 per shirt.  Pictures of  shirt are attached.
If the images ares stripped, plesae email me and we will send directly
to you.


There is a possibility that we could have them done in time for pick at
Road Atlanta.  A go/no go date for ordering is close of business this
coming Wednesday, April 18. Please call or email with your order.
All contact information is on the signature line of this email.

Thanks for your time and support. Ted




Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. 
Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From horizonracing at msn.com  Sun Apr 15 13:38:06 2012
From: horizonracing at msn.com (horizonracing at msn.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 12:38:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Parts need (for the MITTY)...
In-Reply-To: <57a7.41fdd394.3cbc6335@aol.com>
References: <57a7.41fdd394.3cbc6335@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP116BF79CE0DFDBE0B72431AB2390@phx.gbl>

That can be repaired. There is availble, a 1/8 npt fitting with a bleeder. 
Good luck
TG

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

-----Original message-----
From: BillDentin at aol.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, Apr 15, 2012 10:45:25 PDT
Subject: [Fot] Parts need (for the MITTY)...

Amici...

In order to run the MITTY...I need to find an early GIRLING B LEFT HAND 
FRONT BRAKE CALIPER (the casting, I have all of the other necessary 
components).  The seat in mine for the bleed nipple is finally compromised.   
 It will 
no longer seat the bleed nipple.  I am still running the original rotors and  

calipers on a fifty-five year old race car (the warranty has probably 
expired). 

In the MOSS catalogue this is the one piece, Exhibit A on their TR2-4 Brake 
page.  Does someone have one (useable) they would sell and ship to me ASAP?

Bill Dentinger
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Sun Apr 15 15:03:16 2012
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:03:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local><4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <993407804BC049A698E0601B606FDB10@rocky>

I got a download button for an mplayer. Using IE8. The status bar at the 
bottom says the link is to googleads.g.doubleclick.net/ with a bunch of 
garble code after the backslash.

But below that was the search capability for team.net fot archives.

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
To: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 7:08 PM
Subject: [Fot] Archives?


> When you go to http://www.team.net/archive/fot you should see
> something like http://www.team.net/images/archive_page.png
>
> Is this not happening for some folks?
>
> mjb.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From billdentin at aol.com  Sun Apr 15 17:23:17 2012
From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:23:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Early TR3 Brake Caliper...
Message-ID: <8CEE975DF97DEE9-1A0C-1BE9A@webmail-m040.sysops.aol.com>

Amici...

Thanks to all who stepped forward with ideas and offers.  Bob Kramer has a set
of early TR3 brake calipers he will ship to me tomorrow.

Glen Efinger (and several others) also recommended a 'common fix' that is
available, involving a hollow bolt, with a seat that receives a bleeder
nipple.  That should work too, and PEGASUS (a couple of miles from my house)
has them in their catalog.

Thanks again, to one and all.

Bill Dentinger


From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Apr 16 09:19:35 2012
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:19:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
In-Reply-To: <4F88D270.6050407@dfn.com>
References: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>
	<4F88D270.6050407@dfn.com>
Message-ID: <4F8C3887.5040604@pobox.com>

 From some of these discussions, it seems that people think all cams 
have the same ramp design, which is not true.  We just recently had a 
discussion that the valve should open and close at the point where the 
lift curve starts to take off (see link below).   You can make small 
variations from this for tuning purposes, but you have to be careful.  I 
once ran too much lash on a very aggressive cam.  It ran like a demon, 
but not for long.  The result was a broken rocker shaft and 5 bent 
pushrods.  As for hot or cold settings.  I have not done any systematic 
measurements, but have not found a big difference for our engines.
Larry


On 4/13/2012 8:27 PM, Michael Porter wrote:

I'm kind of surprised Larry Young hasn't weighed in on this one.  Here's
his Tilden Tech page on valve lash:

http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tip_Lash.html


From craigl at leinickegroup.com  Mon Apr 16 14:47:21 2012
From: craigl at leinickegroup.com (Craig Leinicke)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:47:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7 on the DYNO
Message-ID: <CBB1EF89.C50A%craigl@leinickegroup.com>

Here is a brief video I put together of our best pull on the dyno.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, the car made 108.2 hp at the rear wheels
at 5,400rpm and 120 ft lbs torque at just over 3,750 rpm.
While everyone else is preparing for the Mitty, we are getting ready to run
the inaugural East Coast Timing Association Event at Wilmington, Ohio, April
28-29. This is by far the happiest set of 8 valves and 4 pistons I've ever
had.

http://youtu.be/RA69tYB6efQ

Best of luck to all at the Mitty.
Craig
Flashback Racing


From markvaden at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 16:40:50 2012
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:40:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wheels
Message-ID: <CAExoegkE3gJtJewjeFuw+oe28Yh+Zzk8eEJpNXOvG24Z5SaMEA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has a spare set of wheels they would like to
sell. I am looking for panasports or something equivalent for my racing
TR4A.

Also I have some 70s era mag wheels - I have heard that you can have these
checked to see if they are safe to race? Is this true? And if so does
anyone know of a place in socal that could do this?

-Mark


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Apr 17 17:06:51 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:06:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wheels
In-Reply-To: <CAExoegkE3gJtJewjeFuw+oe28Yh+Zzk8eEJpNXOvG24Z5SaMEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAExoegkE3gJtJewjeFuw+oe28Yh+Zzk8eEJpNXOvG24Z5SaMEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5DC07E5A-F17D-4B5C-A46D-94BCE4AC643B@austin.rr.com>

Mark
I'd sell you a set of 15x6 Superlites, (look like Panssports) because I have
my eye on the new Silverstone replica wheels being sold on Ebay. Have you seen
them?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2012, at 5:40 PM, Mark Vaden <markvaden at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has a spare set of wheels they would like to
> sell. I am looking for panasports or something equivalent for my racing
> TR4A.
>
> Also I have some 70s era mag wheels - I have heard that you can have these
> checked to see if they are safe to race? Is this true? And if so does
> anyone know of a place in socal that could do this?
>
> -Mark
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From craigl at leinickegroup.com  Tue Apr 17 17:15:17 2012
From: craigl at leinickegroup.com (Craig Leinicke)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:15:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wheels
In-Reply-To: <CAExoegkE3gJtJewjeFuw+oe28Yh+Zzk8eEJpNXOvG24Z5SaMEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAExoegkE3gJtJewjeFuw+oe28Yh+Zzk8eEJpNXOvG24Z5SaMEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F6C6BCFD-36CC-4EE8-9A81-A056785CB9AF@leinickegroup.com>

Hello Mark and Group.
I was going to offer the group a vintage 1984 set of 4 Comp Motive 3 piece
wheels for TR6 (TR4 etc) wheels were purchased had tires mounted but never
used. We have just reconditioned them including powder coating all 80 cap
screws. Wheels were recently sealed also. These come with a new set of 4 outer
pieces which create a narrower wheel. Price for everything $1,200 plus
shipping. Also vintage new Triumph center caps included.
Craig
FlashbackRacing
Wheels are in St. Louis
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2012, at 5:40 PM, Mark Vaden <markvaden at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has a spare set of wheels they would like to
> sell. I am looking for panasports or something equivalent for my racing
> TR4A.
>
> Also I have some 70s era mag wheels - I have heard that you can have these
> checked to see if they are safe to race? Is this true? And if so does
> anyone know of a place in socal that could do this?
>
> -Mark
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Tue Apr 17 19:21:12 2012
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:21:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Wheels
In-Reply-To: <CAExoegkE3gJtJewjeFuw+oe28Yh+Zzk8eEJpNXOvG24Z5SaMEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAExoegkE3gJtJewjeFuw+oe28Yh+Zzk8eEJpNXOvG24Z5SaMEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F8E1708.8040308@cfl.rr.com>

Mark,

I have a set of VTO Superlites 15x6 (Panasport and Minilite look alikes) 
unmounted new in the box. I was going to use them on my 1957 Sebring TR3 
but am searching for a more period correct set of wheels. Any interest 
at $180 each? I'm in Florida and will be at the Mitty.

Bob

On 4/17/12 6:40 PM, Mark Vaden wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has a spare set of wheels they would like to
> sell. I am looking for panasports or something equivalent for my racing
> TR4A.
>
> Also I have some 70s era mag wheels - I have heard that you can have these
> checked to see if they are safe to race? Is this true? And if so does
> anyone know of a place in socal that could do this?
>
> -Mark
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Apr 18 07:06:06 2012
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 08:06:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8C52@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Since we built my Spitfire in 2003, I've been using the stock clutch and
pressure plate.  Late last season, Mr. Barker did a head for me.   Since
then, I've had a little clutch slip.  This is a pretty new clutch plate,
but the pressure plate is of unknown age - has worked fine to date, but
everything wears out eventually, right?



Any thoughts on the cause?  Is it likely the increased torque/HP is just
overpowering the clutch?  The new motor should be putting out something
like 110-115HP, based on Mr. Barker's estimate.  Is that beyond what the
stock clutch can handle?



Options: (1) buy a new stock pressure plate and clutch disk and see how
it goes; (2) upgrade to some sort of competition clutch; or (3) get used
to that nasty clutch smell.  Other options I'm not considering?



I'd like to stay as close to stock as possible if I need to upgrade.



Any thoughts on upgrade options?



Scott B.


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 18 10:33:44 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:33:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8C52@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8C52@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <437B5721-74CC-468D-82F4-11A86961D7A8@gmail.com>

Hi Scott,

The pressure plate springs can lose tension over time.  The situation with our
'71 Morgan Plus 8 was similar to yours -- an unknown vintage pressure plate
with a fairly new friction plate, but I was getting noticeable clutch slip in
3rd gear, even though the engine was worn and wheezy at the time.

Duncan
(Texas)
1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red


On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> Since we built my Spitfire in 2003, I've been using the stock clutch and
> pressure plate.  Late last season, Mr. Barker did a head for me.   Since
> then, I've had a little clutch slip.  This is a pretty new clutch plate,
> but the pressure plate is of unknown age - has worked fine to date, but
> everything wears out eventually, right?
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on the cause?  Is it likely the increased torque/HP is just
> overpowering the clutch?  The new motor should be putting out something
> like 110-115HP, based on Mr. Barker's estimate.  Is that beyond what the
> stock clutch can handle?
>
>
>
> Options: (1) buy a new stock pressure plate and clutch disk and see how
> it goes; (2) upgrade to some sort of competition clutch; or (3) get used
> to that nasty clutch smell.  Other options I'm not considering?
>
>
>
> I'd like to stay as close to stock as possible if I need to upgrade.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on upgrade options?
>
>
>
> Scott B.


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Apr 18 10:36:15 2012
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:36:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <437B5721-74CC-468D-82F4-11A86961D7A8@gmail.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8C52@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<437B5721-74CC-468D-82F4-11A86961D7A8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8C6E@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Thanks, Duncan.  That's what I'm hoping is going on, since I'd like to
retain the stock clutch set-up (or stock-ish, possibly).  I've gotten a
number of responses off-line with that suggestion.

Since that's the answer I like, I'm fairly sure they must be correct :-)

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:34 AM
To: Barr, Scott
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?

Hi Scott,

The pressure plate springs can lose tension over time.  The situation
with our '71 Morgan Plus 8 was similar to yours -- an unknown vintage
pressure plate with a fairly new friction plate, but I was getting
noticeable clutch slip in 3rd gear, even though the engine was worn and
wheezy at the time.

Duncan
(Texas)
1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red


On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> Since we built my Spitfire in 2003, I've been using the stock clutch
and
> pressure plate.  Late last season, Mr. Barker did a head for me.
Since
> then, I've had a little clutch slip.  This is a pretty new clutch
> plate, but the pressure plate is of unknown age - has worked fine to
> date, but everything wears out eventually, right?
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on the cause?  Is it likely the increased torque/HP is
> just overpowering the clutch?  The new motor should be putting out
> something like 110-115HP, based on Mr. Barker's estimate.  Is that
> beyond what the stock clutch can handle?
>
>
>
> Options: (1) buy a new stock pressure plate and clutch disk and see
> how it goes; (2) upgrade to some sort of competition clutch; or (3)
> get used to that nasty clutch smell.  Other options I'm not
considering?
>
>
>
> I'd like to stay as close to stock as possible if I need to upgrade.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on upgrade options?
>
>
>
> Scott B.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Apr 18 12:55:24 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:55:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Jack Wheeler    A  MITTY/KASTNER CUP HONORED GUEST
Message-ID: <8CEEBABF2A34C1A-1234-30E36@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>

 I heard from SCCA CHAMP JACK WHEELER this week. He is going to try very hard
to make it to the KASTNER CUP, in spite of some medical issues.

He would like to stay at the host hotel, but it is full. If there are any
cancellations, perhaps we can transfer the reservation to Jack.  Please let me
know.

Thanks



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Wed Apr 18 14:29:31 2012
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:29:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8C52@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <94F31164CDDD4C40B441873BF9D3B041@rocky>

For years I used a stock Spitfire clutch. After I began to upgrade the 
engine, the clutch seemed more stressed, including a couple of clutch disk 
failures -- shedding the facing material entirely and even twisting the 
center right out of the disk (which I did more than once). Obviously 
slipping was not the problem, but other forces were.

An easy fix turned out to be competition clutch disks that were solid in the 
center (not slotted, no springs). The only "problem" was learning to slip 
the clutch intentionally as it would grab immediately -- if revs weren't up 
it'd stall and kill the engine. Tricky driving it back on the trailer, for 
example, but eventually I learned how (or it would wear in enough to become 
easier).

--Rocky Entriken


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:06 AM
Subject: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?


> Since we built my Spitfire in 2003, I've been using the stock clutch and
> pressure plate.  Late last season, Mr. Barker did a head for me.   Since
> then, I've had a little clutch slip.  This is a pretty new clutch plate,
> but the pressure plate is of unknown age - has worked fine to date, but
> everything wears out eventually, right?
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on the cause?  Is it likely the increased torque/HP is just
> overpowering the clutch?  The new motor should be putting out something
> like 110-115HP, based on Mr. Barker's estimate.  Is that beyond what the
> stock clutch can handle?
>
>
>
> Options: (1) buy a new stock pressure plate and clutch disk and see how
> it goes; (2) upgrade to some sort of competition clutch; or (3) get used
> to that nasty clutch smell.  Other options I'm not considering?
>
>
>
> I'd like to stay as close to stock as possible if I need to upgrade.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on upgrade options?
>
>
>
> Scott B.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr 18 20:44:17 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:44:17 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
In-Reply-To: <4F8F317C.3040508@blacksburg.net>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
	<36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com> <4F8F317C.3040508@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <4F8F7C01.3030904@bradakis.com>

This was part of a message sent to me regarding the Team.Net archives:

 > Works fine for me w/IE8 and Firefox, but the archives are way out of 
date;
 > we're losing good info forever, every day. :-(


The info is not lost.  It is being stored on the server.  What is not 
happening
is that the programs that process the daily mails and format and index for
the archive are not playing well together on the new server.

When I do get it all working properly again all the missing mail will be fed
into the process and become available, don't panic.

mjb.


From chasgee at aol.com  Thu Apr 19 02:36:12 2012
From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 04:36:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <8CEEC1E9C5DF388-1210-57B6@webmail-d155.sysops.aol.com>

Work From Home 0pportunities
http://myshelf.in/httpso701kz.php?wyxpageID=53

            Thu, 19 Apr 2012 9:36:12
______________
"  Always" (c) brittony aethelisdun


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr 19 16:58:31 2012
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:58:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Road to Atlanta
Message-ID: <1334876311.86781.YahooMailRC@web181310.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

A  M  I  C  I

The final leg of my trip to Road Atlanta will be from Knoxville
Tennessee.
Does anyone have a good route that is more direct and less
frantic than the 
interstate?
...maybe through the Gainesville area.
Remember
I am pulling a trailer.

Thanks
Dennis DeLap


From walt at hot-tr6.com  Thu Apr 19 17:56:16 2012
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:56:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <94F31164CDDD4C40B441873BF9D3B041@rocky>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8C52@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<94F31164CDDD4C40B441873BF9D3B041@rocky>
Message-ID: <000001cd1e88$030cf9e0$0926eda0$@hot-tr6.com>

I like having my clutch disc (including new ones) recovered with Kevlar.
Drag racers use this material and I find it hooks up fast and wears like
iron. I use it on my TR6 vintage racecar and I like it. It cost about $100
per application.
Walt Hollowell
Albuquerque, New Mexico

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Rocky Entriken
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:30 PM
To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?

For years I used a stock Spitfire clutch. After I began to upgrade the
engine, the clutch seemed more stressed, including a couple of clutch disk
failures -- shedding the facing material entirely and even twisting the
center right out of the disk (which I did more than once). Obviously
slipping was not the problem, but other forces were.

An easy fix turned out to be competition clutch disks that were solid in the
center (not slotted, no springs). The only "problem" was learning to slip
the clutch intentionally as it would grab immediately -- if revs weren't up
it'd stall and kill the engine. Tricky driving it back on the trailer, for
example, but eventually I learned how (or it would wear in enough to become
easier).

--Rocky Entriken


----- Original Message -----
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:06 AM
Subject: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?


> Since we built my Spitfire in 2003, I've been using the stock clutch and
> pressure plate.  Late last season, Mr. Barker did a head for me.   Since
> then, I've had a little clutch slip.  This is a pretty new clutch plate,
> but the pressure plate is of unknown age - has worked fine to date, but
> everything wears out eventually, right?
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on the cause?  Is it likely the increased torque/HP is just
> overpowering the clutch?  The new motor should be putting out something
> like 110-115HP, based on Mr. Barker's estimate.  Is that beyond what the
> stock clutch can handle?
>
>
>
> Options: (1) buy a new stock pressure plate and clutch disk and see how
> it goes; (2) upgrade to some sort of competition clutch; or (3) get used
> to that nasty clutch smell.  Other options I'm not considering?
>
>
>
> I'd like to stay as close to stock as possible if I need to upgrade.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on upgrade options?
>
>
>
> Scott B.
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 19 19:25:46 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:25:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
Message-ID: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>

Just finishing up the final touches of a 7 month restoration of the Spitfire
getting ready to head South next week. Down to the point of adjusting hood
stops and stupid stuff like that. Ok, now the hard stuff. I THINK I JUST BLEW
THE ENGINE TONIGHT #$^%&!!.  Actually had it running in the driveway and it
was sounding fan frickin tastic, Playing with the carbs, timing, checking for
leaks, all is right with the world. Backed it in the garage and blipped the
throttle one more time and WIDE OPEN THROTTLE! Frantically stomped the gas one
time to see if it would free up. I know that is not what I should have done
first but in the spur of the moment that is what the brain told my body to do.
Next reached up and killed the ignition.  Probably only ran for a second,
possibly two max but it seamed like an eternity. When I killed the engine
"something" continued to freewheel for about 3 to 5 seconds making metal
rubbing sounds. After gaining my composure I put a wrench on the crank and it
appeared to turn free, no out of the ordinary feeling. So I guess I start
tearing into it after work tomorrow. Any idea what could have been
freewheeling after the engine stopped? At least from the drivers seat I think
the engine stopped, I would not thing the entire assembly could have kept
spinning that long do you?  Oh, the cause, I did not have the transmission
tunnel cover attached, just sitting there in the car so when I blipped the
throttle the stop under the gas peddle hooked itself under the lip of the
cover. Note to self, don't ever do that again. Marty


From cwnfot at gmail.com  Thu Apr 19 19:48:46 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:48:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <013f01cd1e97$ba5d63f0$2f182bd0$@com>

Snapped the crank at rear main bearing and the flywheel played on...?

Restored? You mean no more NARRC stickers?
I can get you some if you need them...

Shirts look great! Thanks!


Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
"Reality, it's not what you think."


From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Apr 19 20:00:40 2012
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:00:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJ1+nOTFEuouerZKYWYr4u1assHswwXbqMYsgjeGaWj2YTwO1Q@mail.gmail.com>

With a bit of luck it's nothing catastrophic. Maybe belt broke and it was
the water pump...Or just your overactive imagination...

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:25 PM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Just finishing up the final touches of a 7 month restoration of the
> Spitfire
> getting ready to head South next week. Down to the point of adjusting hood
> stops and stupid stuff like that. Ok, now the hard stuff. I THINK I JUST
> BLEW
> THE ENGINE TONIGHT #$^%&!!.  Actually had it running in the driveway and it
> was sounding fan frickin tastic, Playing with the carbs, timing, checking
> for
> leaks, all is right with the world. Backed it in the garage and blipped the
> throttle one more time and WIDE OPEN THROTTLE! Frantically stomped the gas
> one
> time to see if it would free up. I know that is not what I should have done
> first but in the spur of the moment that is what the brain told my body to
> do.
> Next reached up and killed the ignition.  Probably only ran for a second,
> possibly two max but it seamed like an eternity. When I killed the engine
> "something" continued to freewheel for about 3 to 5 seconds making metal
> rubbing sounds. After gaining my composure I put a wrench on the crank and
> it
> appeared to turn free, no out of the ordinary feeling. So I guess I start
> tearing into it after work tomorrow. Any idea what could have been
> freewheeling after the engine stopped? At least from the drivers seat I
> think
> the engine stopped, I would not thing the entire assembly could have kept
> spinning that long do you?  Oh, the cause, I did not have the transmission
> tunnel cover attached, just sitting there in the car so when I blipped the
> throttle the stop under the gas peddle hooked itself under the lip of the
> cover. Note to self, don't ever do that again. Marty
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Thu Apr 19 20:11:42 2012
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:11:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1+nOTFEuouerZKYWYr4u1assHswwXbqMYsgjeGaWj2YTwO1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
	<CAJ1+nOTFEuouerZKYWYr4u1assHswwXbqMYsgjeGaWj2YTwO1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CEECB20FCD62DD-1CF8-51854@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>

 Marty,

Did you at least try cranking it over by key ?  Nothing visibly out of place
while under the bonnet ?

Best wishes,
Bob Totten


PS  by the way it looks like I may not have my car for the Mitty ( block still
at the machinist ), so thinking I may not go.






-----Original Message-----
From: robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>
To: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2012 10:04 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost


With a bit of luck it's nothing catastrophic. Maybe belt broke and it was

the water pump...Or just your overactive imagination...



On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:25 PM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:



> Just finishing up the final touches of a 7 month restoration of the

> Spitfire

> getting ready to head South next week. Down to the point of adjusting hood

> stops and stupid stuff like that. Ok, now the hard stuff. I THINK I JUST

> BLEW

> THE ENGINE TONIGHT #$^%&!!.  Actually had it running in the driveway and it

> was sounding fan frickin tastic, Playing with the carbs, timing, checking

> for

> leaks, all is right with the world. Backed it in the garage and blipped the

> throttle one more time and WIDE OPEN THROTTLE! Frantically stomped the gas

> one

> time to see if it would free up. I know that is not what I should have done

> first but in the spur of the moment that is what the brain told my body to

> do.

> Next reached up and killed the ignition.  Probably only ran for a second,

> possibly two max but it seamed like an eternity. When I killed the engine

> "something" continued to freewheel for about 3 to 5 seconds making metal

> rubbing sounds. After gaining my composure I put a wrench on the crank and

> it

> appeared to turn free, no out of the ordinary feeling. So I guess I start

> tearing into it after work tomorrow. Any idea what could have been

> freewheeling after the engine stopped? At least from the drivers seat I

> think

> the engine stopped, I would not thing the entire assembly could have kept

> spinning that long do you?  Oh, the cause, I did not have the transmission

> tunnel cover attached, just sitting there in the car so when I blipped the

> throttle the stop under the gas peddle hooked itself under the lip of the

> cover. Note to self, don't ever do that again. Marty

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From horizonracing at msn.com  Thu Apr 19 20:16:37 2012
From: horizonracing at msn.com (horizonracing at msn.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:16:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1+nOTFEuouerZKYWYr4u1assHswwXbqMYsgjeGaWj2YTwO1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
	<CAJ1+nOTFEuouerZKYWYr4u1assHswwXbqMYsgjeGaWj2YTwO1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP2021BF712CCAF0C45E00D28B2220@phx.gbl>

Clutch release brg ?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

-----Original message-----
From: robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>
To: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2012 20:00:40 MDT
Subject: Re: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost

With a bit of luck it's nothing catastrophic. Maybe belt broke and it was
the water pump...Or just your overactive imagination...

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:25 PM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Just finishing up the final touches of a 7 month restoration of the
> Spitfire
> getting ready to head South next week. Down to the point of adjusting hood
> stops and stupid stuff like that. Ok, now the hard stuff. I THINK I JUST
> BLEW
> THE ENGINE TONIGHT #$^%&!!.  Actually had it running in the driveway and  
it
> was sounding fan frickin tastic, Playing with the carbs, timing, checking
> for
> leaks, all is right with the world. Backed it in the garage and blipped  
the
> throttle one more time and WIDE OPEN THROTTLE! Frantically stomped the gas
> one
> time to see if it would free up. I know that is not what I should have  
done
> first but in the spur of the moment that is what the brain told my body to
> do.
> Next reached up and killed the ignition.  Probably only ran for a second,
> possibly two max but it seamed like an eternity. When I killed the engine
> "something" continued to freewheel for about 3 to 5 seconds making metal
> rubbing sounds. After gaining my composure I put a wrench on the crank and
> it
> appeared to turn free, no out of the ordinary feeling. So I guess I start
> tearing into it after work tomorrow. Any idea what could have been
> freewheeling after the engine stopped? At least from the drivers seat I
> think
> the engine stopped, I would not thing the entire assembly could have kept
> spinning that long do you?  Oh, the cause, I did not have the transmission
> tunnel cover attached, just sitting there in the car so when I blipped the
> throttle the stop under the gas peddle hooked itself under the lip of the
> cover. Note to self, don't ever do that again. Marty
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 19 21:06:11 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 23:06:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <013f01cd1e97$ba5d63f0$2f182bd0$@com>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>,
	<013f01cd1e97$ba5d63f0$2f182bd0$@com>
Message-ID: <BLU168-W113E840816EE9174ACF8EEDBA220@phx.gbl>

Update:  Pulled the valve cover and cranked the engine over with a wrench.
Valve train appears intact. Pulled the oil pan and again rotated things around
with a wrench and crank and connecting rods all look in one piece. Could the
flywheel bolts have broke?  I guess we will pull the transmission tomorrow
night and see what things look like back there.  Then possibly pull the head?
It did throw the fan belt and the water pump would have been spinning but when
i turn the water pump by hand I don't hear any noises. And that rotating noise
I describe in my earlier email was loud enough that my wife heard it in the
house (windows open) which is about 30 feet from my shop.  ah, tomorrow is
another day. And saturday and Sunday and........ Marty
 > From: cwnfot at gmail.com
> To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:48:46 -0400
>
> Snapped the crank at rear main bearing and the flywheel played on...?
>
> Restored? You mean no more NARRC stickers?
> I can get you some if you need them...
>
> Shirts look great! Thanks!
>
>
> Clark
> Clark W. Nicholls
> 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U)
> and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
> "Reality, it's not what you think."


From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Apr 19 21:24:31 2012
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 23:24:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W113E840816EE9174ACF8EEDBA220@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
	<013f01cd1e97$ba5d63f0$2f182bd0$@com>
	<BLU168-W113E840816EE9174ACF8EEDBA220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJ1+nOQxkyddQkCYzroRHwYacBVUpsP-YaOfmCZeYyOhqDxD=A@mail.gmail.com>

Hmmm. Let's hope for a clutch bearing. Crank would be a pain.



On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:06 PM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Update:  Pulled the valve cover and cranked the engine over with a wrench.
> Valve train appears intact. Pulled the oil pan and again rotated things
> around
> with a wrench and crank and connecting rods all look in one piece. Could
> the
> flywheel bolts have broke?  I guess we will pull the transmission tomorrow
> night and see what things look like back there.  Then possibly pull the
> head?
> It did throw the fan belt and the water pump would have been spinning but
> when
> i turn the water pump by hand I don't hear any noises. And that rotating
> noise
> I describe in my earlier email was loud enough that my wife heard it in the
> house (windows open) which is about 30 feet from my shop.  ah, tomorrow is
> another day. And saturday and Sunday and........ Marty
>  > From: cwnfot at gmail.com
> > To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject: RE: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
> > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:48:46 -0400
> >
> > Snapped the crank at rear main bearing and the flywheel played on...?
> >
> > Restored? You mean no more NARRC stickers?
> > I can get you some if you need them...
> >
> > Shirts look great! Thanks!
> >
> >
> > Clark
> > Clark W. Nicholls
> > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U)
> > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
> > "Reality, it's not what you think."
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Apr 19 21:45:38 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:45:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W113E840816EE9174ACF8EEDBA220@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
	<013f01cd1e97$ba5d63f0$2f182bd0$@com>
	<BLU168-W113E840816EE9174ACF8EEDBA220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <mailman.64.1638251576.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

What happens when you hit the starter button?  If the flywheel bolts 
sheared, it shouldn't do much...

Tony

At 10:06 PM 4/19/2012, marty sukey wrote:
>Update:  Pulled the valve cover and cranked the engine over with a wrench.
>Valve train appears intact. Pulled the oil pan and again rotated things around
>with a wrench and crank and connecting rods all look in one piece. Could the
>flywheel bolts have broke?  I guess we will pull the transmission tomorrow
>night and see what things look like back there.  Then possibly pull the head?
>It did throw the fan belt and the water pump would have been spinning but when
>i turn the water pump by hand I don't hear any noises. And that rotating noise
>I describe in my earlier email was loud enough that my wife heard it in the
>house (windows open) which is about 30 feet from my shop.  ah, tomorrow is
>another day. And saturday and Sunday and........ Marty
>  > From: cwnfot at gmail.com
> > To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject: RE: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
> > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:48:46 -0400
> >
> > Snapped the crank at rear main bearing and the flywheel played on...?
> >
> > Restored? You mean no more NARRC stickers?
> > I can get you some if you need them...
> >
> > Shirts look great! Thanks!
> >
> >
> > Clark
> > Clark W. Nicholls
> > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U)
> > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
> > "Reality, it's not what you think."
>_______________________________________________
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>
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Thu Apr 19 22:18:34 2012
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (jsiam1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:18:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <86cbc399-cf8d-4f74-83cf-33e9f7d4d169@blur>

My vote is for the ring gear.

Chequered Flag Joseph P Siam 

-----Original message-----
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2012 18:25:46 PDT
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost

Just finishing up the final touches of a 7 month restoration of the Spitfire
getting ready to head South next week. Down to the point of adjusting hood
stops and stupid stuff like that. Ok, now the hard stuff. I THINK I JUST  
BLEW
THE ENGINE TONIGHT #$^%&!!.  Actually had it running in the driveway and it
was sounding fan frickin tastic, Playing with the carbs, timing, checking  
for
leaks, all is right with the world. Backed it in the garage and blipped the
throttle one more time and WIDE OPEN THROTTLE! Frantically stomped the gas  
one
time to see if it would free up. I know that is not what I should have done
first but in the spur of the moment that is what the brain told my body to  
do.
Next reached up and killed the ignition.  Probably only ran for a second,
possibly two max but it seamed like an eternity. When I killed the engine
"something" continued to freewheel for about 3 to 5 seconds making metal
rubbing sounds. After gaining my composure I put a wrench on the crank and  
it
appeared to turn free, no out of the ordinary feeling. So I guess I start
tearing into it after work tomorrow. Any idea what could have been
freewheeling after the engine stopped? At least from the drivers seat I  
think
the engine stopped, I would not thing the entire assembly could have kept
spinning that long do you?  Oh, the cause, I did not have the transmission
tunnel cover attached, just sitting there in the car so when I blipped the
throttle the stop under the gas peddle hooked itself under the lip of the
cover. Note to self, don't ever do that again. Marty
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Apr 20 08:08:11 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:08:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] robert johns
Message-ID: <8CEED162770A8F3-2B78-B208@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com>

 cant find your email address....need to discuss MITTY.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Apr 20 09:00:23 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:00:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] I have his email now....thanks...now to find him.
Message-ID: <8CEED1D7267CC47-2B78-B9BB@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com>

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From sgroh1 at comcast.net  Fri Apr 20 09:52:51 2012
From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:52:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] 11 Triumphs registered for the Jefferson 500!
Message-ID: <2064019173.1904671.1334937171524.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Triumph Ghetto Heaven !B  11 Triumphs registered to compete at the Jefferson
500 in May - Richard Brown (64 Spitfire); Henry Frye (62 TR4); Steve Groh (63
Spitfire); David Gussack (63 Spitfire); Scott Janzen (68 GT6); Leo Oddi (68
250); Paul O'Malley (64 TR4A); Bill Rampe (66 Spitfire); Carl Schwab (67
Spitfire); Bill Tobin (70 TR6); and George Wright (61 TR4)....so far.B  This
is going to be fun...


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 20 09:55:59 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:55:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 11 Triumphs registered for the Jefferson 500!
In-Reply-To: <2064019173.1904671.1334937171524.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <E928F1510EA4496781DA2D4BFA745549@gdhs.local>

I plan on being there with my TR3A.... 


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Subject: [Fot] 11 Triumphs registered for the Jefferson 500!

Triumph Ghetto Heaven !B  11 Triumphs registered to compete at the Jefferson
500 in May - Richard Brown (64 Spitfire); Henry Frye (62 TR4); Steve Groh
(63 Spitfire); David Gussack (63 Spitfire); Scott Janzen (68 GT6); Leo Oddi
(68 250); Paul O'Malley (64 TR4A); Bill Rampe (66 Spitfire); Carl Schwab (67
Spitfire); Bill Tobin (70 TR6); and George Wright (61 TR4)....so far.B  This
is going to be fun...
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From sgroh1 at comcast.net  Fri Apr 20 09:58:14 2012
From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:58:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] 11 Triumphs registered for the Jefferson 500!
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Make that 12!

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Subject: RE: [Fot] 11 Triumphs registered for the Jefferson 500!

I plan on being there with my TR3A....


John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
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Subject: [Fot] 11 Triumphs registered for the Jefferson 500!

Triumph Ghetto Heaven !B B 11 Triumphs registered to compete at the Jefferson
500 in May - Richard Brown (64 Spitfire); Henry Frye (62 TR4); Steve Groh
(63 Spitfire); David Gussack (63 Spitfire); Scott Janzen (68 GT6); Leo Oddi
(68 250); Paul O'Malley (64 TR4A); Bill Rampe (66 Spitfire); Carl Schwab (67
Spitfire); Bill Tobin (70 TR6); and George Wright (61 TR4)....so far.B B This
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 20 13:11:36 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:11:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Still Might be Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1+nOQxkyddQkCYzroRHwYacBVUpsP-YaOfmCZeYyOhqDxD=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>,
	<013f01cd1e97$ba5d63f0$2f182bd0$@com>,
	<BLU168-W113E840816EE9174ACF8EEDBA220@phx.gbl>,
	<CAJ1+nOQxkyddQkCYzroRHwYacBVUpsP-YaOfmCZeYyOhqDxD=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU168-W121A300ABCAABAA82E8D244BA220@phx.gbl>

Ran home at lunch time and did some more investigation.  Hit the starter and
starter rotated but nothing on the engine side. Climbed under the car and
looked at the snout at the rear of the crank after the last main bearing. As I
rotated the crank using a wrench at the front I could see the rear snout still
rotating along with the rest of the crank. Possibly I dodged a bullet.  We
will be pulling the transmission after work to see what is going on back
there. I should have a new set of flywheel bolts being delivered to my house
about 10:00 tonight.  If it is indeed just broken flywheel bolts we should be
back in business in the wee hours of the morning. Still hoping to head south
on wednesday.

Marty


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Fri Apr 20 17:13:15 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:13:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Here's the latest scoop on the Mitty!
Message-ID: <61D52A6C2A6C4707831021128292BA54@TRIUMPH.local>

Everything is coming together very nicely, some of the details we need to 
know are developing, so here goes...

The Panoramic Photo is happening Friday after the track goes quiet. The 
picture will take place on the track, and it looks like we have a choice of 
locations. No doubt it will be a keeper! Anyone who has ever participated in 
one of these knows how time consuming the setup is, so everybody's patience 
is appreciated. Our photographer will be Bob Lang, and we are trying to 
secure a tall stepladder. If anyone has a stepladder taller than 6 feet and 
can easily bring it, please email me off list!

We have several people coming that are looking for crew passes. If anyone 
has any crew slots not being used, email me off list. If anyone needs a crew 
pass, email me off list as well and we will see what we can work out.

Remember, if you are coming in your street Triumph and bought the Georgia 
Triumph's entry, you do not need a crew pass. The GA Triumph credential gets 
you anywhere crew can go!

I just found out the IMSA GTP cars will be over in the Pro Paddock with us. 
There are only 15 of them, so don't worry, there will be plenty of room. I 
think it will be great to have some very cool race cars in the paddock with 
us! I should be getting a map, and will post it on the website when I get it 
so there will be less confusion during setup.

Our hosts, Classic Motorsports has provided us with a canopy that will serve 
as our Hospitality Tent. I think it will be 20X20. Speaking of our hosts, be 
sure to thank Tim Suddard, Andy Reid, and the rest of the Classic 
Motorsports crew for all their efforts. The amount of work involved to make 
our part of this event go is huge, let alone the big picture.

I believe there will be a very short gathering in our Hospitality Tent on 
Thursday night after the Test Day is done, more as that plan comes together.

Looking forward to seeing everybody again!

Cheers

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 


From billdentin at aol.com  Fri Apr 20 19:17:33 2012
From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:17:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Here's the latest scoop on the Mitty!
In-Reply-To: <61D52A6C2A6C4707831021128292BA54@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <61D52A6C2A6C4707831021128292BA54@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <8CEED73AA15BAFE-1DA8-40AD9@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>

<<< The Panoramic Photo is happening Friday after the track goes quiet. The
icture will take place on the track, and it looks like we have a choice of
ocations. No doubt it will be a keeper! Anyone who has ever participated in
ne of these knows how time consuming the setup is, so everybody's patience
s appreciated. Our photographer will be Bob Lang, and we are trying to
ecure a tall stepladder. If anyone has a stepladder taller than 6 feet and
an easily bring it, please email me off list! >>>
Henry...it is my intention to bring framed copies of the panoramic pictures
taken
at both the 40th (1992) and 50th (2002) celebration at Mid-Ohio.  And I will
have them on display
in the Beady Eye paddock, ro wherever you would likse them.
<<< I just found out the IMSA GTP cars will be over in the Pro Paddock with
us.
here are only 15 of them, so don't worry, there will be plenty of room. I
hink it will be great to have some very cool race cars in the paddock with
s! I should be getting a map, and will post it on the website when I get it
o there will be less confusion during setup. >>>
Not to worry!  There will be no shortage of VERY COOL cars in the TRIUMPH
paddock.
Bill Dentinger


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Sat Apr 21 08:43:53 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:43:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Crew slots for the Mitty
Message-ID: <118430A0D8EB46D394D82F9FC480E252@TRIUMPH.local>

I mentioned this in my email last night,  but have gotten few responses.

If anybody has any open crew slots, or needs a crew slot, email me off list. 
I will see if we can accomodate everybody.

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 


From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 21 09:36:57 2012
From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:36:57 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Piston Wine/bottle stops
References: <1304EE81-8D22-48C5-98C7-75EA91F9A1BB@esri.com>
Message-ID: <985B6E62-53D2-4425-AE35-3063E1C6DA62@yahoo.com>

I met a guy at work who is full of talent. He can do pencil drawings for car
photos that look awesome, and he can make gear shift knobs, shaving brushes,
and just about anything you can imagine.  Attached is a link to a piston
bottle stopper he is making.

It can also have a natural cork.  He can burn in Triumph logos, your name, car
number etc.  And if I give him one of my TR4 pistons he will replicate it and
add some rings to it. Which I will be doing.

I was in awe at his talent and wanted to pass this along.  Pretty cool.  I am
starting to think about Christmas presents.  I have an email from him I can
forward to those who are interested.

No financial interest.

 Ty

> http://db.tt/bnQw1lgw


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Apr 21 10:26:51 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:26:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] RMVR GUYS
Message-ID: <8CEEDF2B10932C8-F88-14720@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>

 RMVR

ONE LAP OF AMERICA is at HIGH PLAINS RACEWAY on the 8th of May....anyone plan
to be out there?



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 21 19:27:56 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 21:27:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] It lives!
Message-ID: <BLU168-W104650D934EEE61E56B115ABA200@phx.gbl>

Spitfire is back together. It looks like all we did is take out the flywheel
bolts and dowel.  So, Road Atlanta here we come, hide the women and children.
Drove the car up and down the street. Down on power in the top gear but with
new cam and carbs we have a lot to learn.  See you Thursday! Marty


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Sun Apr 22 05:05:58 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 07:05:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Could still use a few more crew slots
Message-ID: <8B772DBE71654195A11797BDCFFDA684@TRIUMPH.local>

It's all coming together nicely, but I could still use a few more empty crew 
slots to get all of our friends in.

Thanks to all who have offered up your unused crew slots, I will be emailing 
you names before the end of today!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 


From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Sun Apr 22 06:00:40 2012
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 07:00:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailer and Golf Cart for sale
Message-ID: <C22F4A3F0AA3EA488D30A42FC8A4817639B87736F3@DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local>

Morning Members,

I am looking at a trailer in Phoenix AZ.  So 1st off if anyone lives there and
is coming this way (Nashville, TN)  or even partially this way, and has a
gooseneck hitch in their truck I am paying someone for delivery so I prefer to
pay someone I would know like a FOT Member. So if you're interested let me
know ASAP.  Maybe someone headed this way for the Mitty?? It's a 46' and will
easily haul two Triumphs. Call me at 615-347-0260 or e mail to:
info at dieselperformanceparts.com<mailto:info at dieselperformanceparts.com>

Secondly there is a super nice golf cart there as well. I would buy it but
this trailer deal is going to tap out my "play" money. I think I could bring
it here and sell it for a profit and would if I had the extra cash. It belongs
to the friend of mine that is inspecting the trailer in AZ prior to me making
an offer on it. Custom paint, custom wheels, stereo, aftermarket exhaust and
intake, front and rear seats all sorts of custom stuff.  You can believe what
he says about it and he says it's 100% it's a 2001 model gas engine. Anyway if
I buy the trailer it can ride to TN or anywhere along the way on I-40 for free
as a favor to him for looking at the trailer for me. I don't think we can post
pics here so if you have any interest in it e mail me at :
info at dieselperformanceparts.com<mailto:info at dieselperformanceparts.com>
and I will forward them to you. He is wanting 3500.00 for it. The dang wheels
are probably worth over 500.00 alone.

Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax

www.dieselperformanceparts.com


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Apr 22 08:03:43 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:03:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] BUSINESS: FOT & UNCLE JACK STICKERS PLUS 50TH ANNIVERSARY
 MAGAZINE AVAILABLE
Message-ID: <8CEEEA7DC6F3509-F88-16D01@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>

 Some minor FOT BUSINESS ISSUES..........

I am bringing 3" FOT STICKERS AND 3" UNCLE JACK STICKERS.

I also have a number of VTR MAGAZINES that feature the 50th Anniversary. The
coverage is extensive and includes the cover of the magazine. This is the year
that UK was heavily represented. I invited Kas for the first year and KAS and
I decided to initiate the KASTNER CUP series in the following year.

Now we are at the 60th Anniversary, and the 10th Kastner Cup.  Credit goes to
Tom Householder for initiating the 40th Anniversary in 1992 and handling most
of the organization of the 50th. The FOT handled the racing side of 50th
ANNIVERSARY event.

Proceeds from disposing of these items will go into the 'FUND'.

Note: Ted Schumacher has elected to donate some of the shirt proceeds to MARK
BRADAKIS to support the system that holds the FOT together.

See you at THE MITTY.....Tony Garmey reports that he is on the road already,
making good progress, and may arrive as early as Monday Night.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From BillDentin at aol.com  Sun Apr 22 08:33:39 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:33:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] BUSINESS: FOT & UNCLE JACK STICKERS PLUS 50TH ANNIVERSARY
 MAGAZINE ...
Message-ID: <43da.10285cdc.3cc570c3@aol.com>

In a message dated 04/22/2012 9:05:13 AM Central Daylight Time, 
n197tr4 at cs.com writes:


> <<< See you at THE MITTY.....Tony Garmey reports that he is on the road 
> already, making good progress, and may arrive as early as Monday Night.  >>>
> 
> 

No wonder Tony always finishes so far up in the field.  

He starts earlier.

Bill (Damdinger)


From BillDentin at aol.com  Sun Apr 22 08:48:48 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:48:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] BUSINESS: FOT & UNCLE JACK STICKERS PLUS 50TH ANNIVERSARY
 MAGAZINE ...
Message-ID: <490e.4e173c54.3cc57450@aol.com>

In a message dated 04/22/2012 9:05:13 AM Central Daylight Time, 
n197tr4 at cs.com writes:


> <<< I also have a number of VTR MAGAZINES that feature the 50th 
> Anniversary. The coverage is extensive and includes the cover of the magazine. This 
> is the year
> that UK was heavily represented. I invited Kas for the first year and KAS 
> and
> I decided to initiate the KASTNER CUP series in the following year. >>>
> 
Joe...

I am bringing, and hope to have on display, framed copies of the 
'panoramic' photographs from both the 40th and 50th Anniversary celebration.  These 
are each about four feet wide.  Anyone unfamiliar with a World War II 
Panoramic Camera, and the kind of pictures they are capable of capturing, ought to 
be impressed.  I'll also try to bring a framed copy of the poster from 40th 
Anniversary.  It is signed by all of the racers, and people like Bob Tullius, 
Smokey Yunick, and others.  Kas was not there that year.  He was beating up 
on Porches up at Limerock.

TRIUMPH is often described as the sports car of the common man (or even the 
great unwashed).  But I think it is still OK for us to 'put on the dog' 
every now and then.

Bill Dentinger


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Apr 22 09:28:28 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:28:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] BUSINESS: FOT & UNCLE JACK STICKERS PLUS 50TH ANNIVERSARY
 MAGAZINE ...
In-Reply-To: <490e.4e173c54.3cc57450@aol.com>
References: <490e.4e173c54.3cc57450@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CEEEB3B35B8E13-F88-170C0@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>

CMS is providing a 20  x  20 canopy for us. Perhaps we can display some of
this stuff in the HOSPITALITY AREA. If not, this stuff will show great at our
individual paddock locations.

I, too, have a poster from 1992. Maybe this will be a good time to get some
autographs on it.

BTW, WEATHER FORECAST is looking very good.

FLIGHT TRACKER says that Kas and Peg have just left their driveway in
California and heading EAST.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: BillDentin <BillDentin at aol.com>
To: n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:48 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] BUSINESS: FOT & UNCLE JACK STICKERS PLUS 50TH ANNIVERSARY
MAGAZINE ...


In a message dated 04/22/2012 9:05:13 AM Central Daylight Time, n197tr4 at cs.com
writes:



<<< I also have a number of VTR MAGAZINES that feature the 50th Anniversary.
The coverage is extensive and includes the cover of the magazine. This is the
year
that UK was heavily represented. I invited Kas for the first year and KAS and
I decided to initiate the KASTNER CUP series in the following year. >>>


Joe...

I am bringing, and hope to have on display, framed copies of the 'panoramic'
photographs from both the 40th and 50th Anniversary celebration.  These are
each about four feet wide.  Anyone unfamiliar with a World War II Panoramic
Camera, and the kind of pictures they are capable of capturing, ought to be
impressed.  I'll also try to bring a framed copy of the poster from 40th
Anniversary.  It is signed by all of the racers, and people like Bob Tullius,
Smokey Yunick, and others.  Kas was not there that year.  He was beating up on
Porches up at Limerock.

TRIUMPH is often described as the sports car of the common man (or even the
great unwashed).  But I think it is still OK for us to 'put on the dog' every
now and then.

Bill Dentinger


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Apr 22 09:57:45 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:57:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] DISTRIBUTION OF KASTNER CUP POSTERS by FOT AND VTR
Message-ID: <8CEEEB7CA9B0FC3-F88-171ED@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>

 FOT

The FOT and VTR produced over 200 posters and expect them to go fast.

One poster goes to every FOT in attendance. One poster goes to every VTR
member in attendance.

A second poster will be available for $5.00. It's not about the money. It just
slows down the requests 'for my buddy back home'.


Steve Belfer donated his artful talents for the poster.
VTR's Joe Pawlak, from ISOA,  produced at his cost.
VTR paid this cost with the help of Blake Discher
Ronnie Babbitt of GTA will coordinate distribution to VTR members
Irv Korey and Steve Yott are transporting posters from Chicago.

It takes a TRIUMPH VILLAGE to distribute our posters.

I would prefer disposing of all of the posters at the track. I shipped shirts
and posters after Laguna Seca and not sure how I got sucked into that. If you
are not coming and want a poster get one of the attendees to procure and send.
Not being grumpy, just thought I'd better say something.


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sun Apr 22 10:41:19 2012
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:41:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] DISTRIBUTION OF KASTNER CUP POSTERS by FOT AND VTR
In-Reply-To: <8CEEEB7CA9B0FC3-F88-171ED@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CEEEB7CA9B0FC3-F88-171ED@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <EF0285F6-5FB0-4ED9-A9FC-3D2244122EA3@141.com>

Thanks to everyone who made the great posters available for us!!  Will there
be a poster-signing session, like we did some years back? It would be great to
have the drivers and related notables all sign the posters.

It's getting TOUGH to wait until Thursday!!!!!!

Keep Triumphing,
Susan   :)


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

> FOT
>
> The FOT and VTR produced over 200 posters and expect them to go fast.
>
> One poster goes to every FOT in attendance. One poster goes to every VTR
> member in attendance.
>
> A second poster will be available for $5.00. It's not about the money. It
just
> slows down the requests 'for my buddy back home'.
>
>
> Steve Belfer donated his artful talents for the poster.
> VTR's Joe Pawlak, from ISOA,  produced at his cost.
> VTR paid this cost with the help of Blake Discher
> Ronnie Babbitt of GTA will coordinate distribution to VTR members
> Irv Korey and Steve Yott are transporting posters from Chicago.
>
> It takes a TRIUMPH VILLAGE to distribute our posters.
>
> I would prefer disposing of all of the posters at the track. I shipped
shirts
> and posters after Laguna Seca and not sure how I got sucked into that. If
you
> are not coming and want a poster get one of the attendees to procure and
send.
> Not being grumpy, just thought I'd better say something.
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Apr 22 10:55:39 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:55:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Signing of  KASTNER CUP POSTERS for the DRIVERS
In-Reply-To: <EF0285F6-5FB0-4ED9-A9FC-3D2244122EA3@141.com>
References: <8CEEEB7CA9B0FC3-F88-171ED@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
	<EF0285F6-5FB0-4ED9-A9FC-3D2244122EA3@141.com>
Message-ID: <8CEEEBFE136B496-F88-174D9@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>

 The most successful signing was when we had some volunteers take 40 or so
posters and either brought the racers in or went to the racers for signing
their name all at once.  This is huge undertaking and takes some patience.

The end result is priceless. We may need a white marker, too, because there is
a lot of dark area. Having perhaps four volunteers with posters divided up,
might work. Susan, perhaps you could assemble a 'crew' and get this done.

I have hinted around on this, but fear I have worn out my welcome.   And I
understand that. I always go back to the usual suspects and that's not really
fair.


Thanks for bringing this up.


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>; emanteno <emanteno at comcast.net>; bdischer
<bdischer at vtr.org>
Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 11:41 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] DISTRIBUTION OF KASTNER CUP POSTERS by FOT AND VTR


Thanks to everyone who made the great posters available for us!!  Will there
be
a poster-signing session, like we did some years back? It would be great to
have
the drivers and related notables all sign the posters.

It's getting TOUGH to wait until Thursday!!!!!!

Keep Triumphing,
Susan   :)


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

> FOT
>
> The FOT and VTR produced over 200 posters and expect them to go fast.
>
> One poster goes to every FOT in attendance. One poster goes to every VTR
> member in attendance.
>
> A second poster will be available for $5.00. It's not about the money. It
just
> slows down the requests 'for my buddy back home'.
>
>
> Steve Belfer donated his artful talents for the poster.
> VTR's Joe Pawlak, from ISOA,  produced at his cost.
> VTR paid this cost with the help of Blake Discher
> Ronnie Babbitt of GTA will coordinate distribution to VTR members
> Irv Korey and Steve Yott are transporting posters from Chicago.
>
> It takes a TRIUMPH VILLAGE to distribute our posters.
>
> I would prefer disposing of all of the posters at the track. I shipped
shirts
> and posters after Laguna Seca and not sure how I got sucked into that. If
you
> are not coming and want a poster get one of the attendees to procure and
send.
> Not being grumpy, just thought I'd better say something.
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Apr 22 10:58:44 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:58:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Power hookups?   FAQ
In-Reply-To: <4f943738.e88aec0a.3dd7.ffffcca9@mx.google.com>
References: <4f943738.e88aec0a.3dd7.ffffcca9@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <8CEEEC04FBF1561-F88-174F3@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>

 I think I remember there being electrical power. Henry REMEMBERS this, too.
And he is much younger.

Maybe someone can verify so this question doesnt have to be asked multiple
time.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Kahler <bkahler1 at gmail.com>
To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>
Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 11:52 am
Subject: Power hookups


Joe,  will there be electric hookups for the motor home?

We're planning on being there Wednesday evening.

Brad

Sent from my HTC Inspireb" 4G on AT&T


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Sun Apr 22 11:16:07 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:16:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Power hookups?   FAQ
References: <4f943738.e88aec0a.3dd7.ffffcca9@mx.google.com>
	<8CEEEC04FBF1561-F88-174F3@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <17BC9368682F4C0D9B59BDEB2383B2AB@TRIUMPH.local>

I have not talked to the track, but I remember from the last time we were 
there a row of power boxes in the paddock. Plan on plugging in, but have a 
backup plan if you need one.

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Alexander" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <bkahler1 at gmail.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 12:58 PM
Subject: [Fot] Power hookups? FAQ


> I think I remember there being electrical power. Henry REMEMBERS this, 
> too.
> And he is much younger.
>
> Maybe someone can verify so this question doesnt have to be asked multiple
> time.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Kahler <bkahler1 at gmail.com>
> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>
> Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 11:52 am
> Subject: Power hookups
>
>
> Joe,  will there be electric hookups for the motor home?
>
> We're planning on being there Wednesday evening.
>
> Brad
>
> Sent from my HTC Inspireb" 4G on AT&T
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sun Apr 22 11:16:08 2012
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:16:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Signing of  KASTNER CUP POSTERS for the DRIVERS
In-Reply-To: <8CEEEBFE136B496-F88-174D9@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CEEEB7CA9B0FC3-F88-171ED@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
	<EF0285F6-5FB0-4ED9-A9FC-3D2244122EA3@141.com>
	<8CEEEBFE136B496-F88-174D9@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <AE3289A1-8997-4594-86C9-F35861E877D3@141.com>

With my organizational and motivational skills and a large horse whip, I ought
to be able to help out with this effort.   ;)   Any chance of getting table
space at the hospitality tent/dinner events?

Anyone else willing to assist me in this endeavor?

I will provide the markers, and the whip.    :)

Susan   :)


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 22, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

> The most successful signing was when we had some volunteers take 40 or so
posters and either brought the racers in or went to the racers for signing
their name all at once.  This is huge undertaking and takes some patience.
>
> The end result is priceless. We may need a white marker, too, because there
is a lot of dark area. Having perhaps four volunteers with posters divided up,
might work. Susan, perhaps you could assemble a 'crew' and get this done.
>
> I have hinted around on this, but fear I have worn out my welcome.   And I
understand that. I always go back to the usual suspects and that's not really
fair.
>
> Thanks for bringing this up.
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
> To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>; emanteno <emanteno at comcast.net>; bdischer
<bdischer at vtr.org>
> Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 11:41 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] DISTRIBUTION OF KASTNER CUP POSTERS by FOT AND VTR
>
> Thanks to everyone who made the great posters available for us!!  Will there
be
> a poster-signing session, like we did some years back? It would be great to
have
> the drivers and related notables all sign the posters.
>
> It's getting TOUGH to wait until Thursday!!!!!!
>
> Keep Triumphing,
> Susan   :)
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
>
> > FOT
> >
> > The FOT and VTR produced over 200 posters and expect them to go fast.
> >
> > One poster goes to every FOT in attendance. One poster goes to every VTR
> > member in attendance.
> >
> > A second poster will be available for $5.00. It's not about the money. It
just
> > slows down the requests 'for my buddy back home'.
> >
> >
> > Steve Belfer donated his artful talents for the poster.
> > VTR's Joe Pawlak, from ISOA,  produced at his cost.
> > VTR paid this cost with the help of Blake Discher
> > Ronnie Babbitt of GTA will coordinate distribution to VTR members
> > Irv Korey and Steve Yott are transporting posters from Chicago.
> >
> > It takes a TRIUMPH VILLAGE to distribute our posters.
> >
> > I would prefer disposing of all of the posters at the track. I shipped
shirts
> > and posters after Laguna Seca and not sure how I got sucked into that. If
you
> > are not coming and want a poster get one of the attendees to procure and
send.
> > Not being grumpy, just thought I'd better say something.
> >
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> > A. R. E.
> > 645 1st Street
> > Jesup, Iowa 50648
> > 319.464.4711  (cell)
> > n197tr4 at cs.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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> > Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com


From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Sun Apr 22 11:42:53 2012
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:42:53 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Kastener Cup 2012
Message-ID: <1496BBCBC47249BD882C19F90B614DA9@homekeith>

Dear all,

 

Just wanted to wish you all the very best for the Kastner Cup next weekend,
it will be a truly great event as always. 

 

We are really sorry that we can't be with you again this year but the
Kastner Cup clashes with a race event for Josh here in the UK.

 

Rest assured that we will be keeping a look out for the results and the
reports; we will miss you all loads.

 

Best of luck and have a great time.

 

Keith, Denise and Josh.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Apr 22 11:49:15 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:49:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Signing of  KASTNER CUP POSTERS for the DRIVERS
In-Reply-To: <AE3289A1-8997-4594-86C9-F35861E877D3@141.com>
References: <8CEEEB7CA9B0FC3-F88-171ED@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
	<EF0285F6-5FB0-4ED9-A9FC-3D2244122EA3@141.com>
	<8CEEEBFE136B496-F88-174D9@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
	<AE3289A1-8997-4594-86C9-F35861E877D3@141.com>
Message-ID: <8CEEEC75E3A1E8B-F88-17756@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>

 way to go, Susan!

if  chains, handcuffs, and leather are involved here, i suspect the Chi-Town
guys will volunteer.

maybe the WPTA, too.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>; emanteno <emanteno at comcast.net>; bdischer
<bdischer at vtr.org>
Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: Signing of  KASTNER CUP POSTERS for the DRIVERS


With my organizational and motivational skills and a large horse whip, I ought
to be able to help out with this effort.   ;)   Any chance of getting table
space at the hospitality tent/dinner events?


Anyone else willing to assist me in this endeavor?


I will provide the markers, and the whip.    :)


Susan   :)


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 22, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:




 The most successful signing was when we had some volunteers take 40 or so
posters and either brought the racers in or went to the racers for signing
their name all at once.  This is huge undertaking and takes some patience.

The end result is priceless. We may need a white marker, too, because there is
a lot of dark area. Having perhaps four volunteers with posters divided up,
might work. Susan, perhaps you could assemble a 'crew' and get this done.

I have hinted around on this, but fear I have worn out my welcome.   And I
understand that. I always go back to the usual suspects and that's not really
fair.


Thanks for bringing this up.


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>; emanteno <emanteno at comcast.net>; bdischer
<bdischer at vtr.org>
Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 11:41 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] DISTRIBUTION OF KASTNER CUP POSTERS by FOT AND VTR


Thanks to everyone who made the great posters available for us!!  Will there
be
a poster-signing session, like we did some years back? It would be great to
have
the drivers and related notables all sign the posters.

It's getting TOUGH to wait until Thursday!!!!!!

Keep Triumphing,
Susan   :)


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

> FOT
>
> The FOT and VTR produced over 200 posters and expect them to go fast.
>
> One poster goes to every FOT in attendance. One poster goes to every VTR
> member in attendance.
>
> A second poster will be available for $5.00. It's not about the money. It
just
> slows down the requests 'for my buddy back home'.
>
>
> Steve Belfer donated his artful talents for the poster.
> VTR's Joe Pawlak, from ISOA,  produced at his cost.
> VTR paid this cost with the help of Blake Discher
> Ronnie Babbitt of GTA will coordinate distribution to VTR members
> Irv Korey and Steve Yott are transporting posters from Chicago.
>
> It takes a TRIUMPH VILLAGE to distribute our posters.
>
> I would prefer disposing of all of the posters at the track. I shipped
shirts
> and posters after Laguna Seca and not sure how I got sucked into that. If
you
> are not coming and want a poster get one of the attendees to procure and
send.
> Not being grumpy, just thought I'd better say something.
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 22 15:57:49 2012
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:57:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mitty Car number swap request
Message-ID: <SNT136-W4459CF7E14A8E71D3EC8E7F9200@phx.gbl>

 I just checked the entry list for the Triumph event at the Mitty on the HSR
website and noticed I did not get the car number I requested. Bob Wismer was
assigned the #4 and my McComb Trubute TR6 got #14. Apparently we both
requested #4 and Bob's entry must have beat mine in. As the car is a Group 44
look alike of the 1975 TR6 of McCombs championship at Road Atlanta I would
very much like to switch number with Bob. Are you on the list Bob? Does
anybody know how I can contact Bob in the event he's not seeing this message?
I would sure appreciate the favor Bob and I'll owe you one!

Sam Halkias


From trdoctor at aol.com  Sun Apr 22 16:11:28 2012
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:11:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Signing of  KASTNER CUP POSTERS for the DRIVERS
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1335117601.14584.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1.1335117601.14584.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <0734822E-26F9-465A-A210-02FB256C7E06@aol.com>

And don't forget the boots!!  I saw them in Texas before. . .

Sam
On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote:

> <snip>
>
> way to go, Susan!
>
> if  chains, handcuffs, and leather are involved here, i suspect the
Chi-Town
> guys will volunteer.
>
> maybe the WPTA, too.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com


From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 22 16:28:53 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:28:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 120 v power in the Pro Paddock
Message-ID: <4FC4E01F-B0C5-45B9-A3AE-66B6CACC892D@yahoo.com>

I have a 5000 watt generator that I can bring for ac power in the paddock. Is
it ok to have generators there or do we have to pay RA for power?


From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Sun Apr 22 17:25:47 2012
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:25:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 120 v power in the Pro Paddock
In-Reply-To: <4FC4E01F-B0C5-45B9-A3AE-66B6CACC892D@yahoo.com>
References: <4FC4E01F-B0C5-45B9-A3AE-66B6CACC892D@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CALsVEtBm15XJunPv2pNWM4+D0Vcv6EuKbb7n3cH09PgB9najWg@mail.gmail.com>

Mike, I was there in February and checked the Pro paddock for power.  At
that event there was no charge for camping or use of electricity, but I
don't know if that will apply at the Mitty.  There is a row of power poles
down one side of the paddock, against the hill.  There will need to be a
lot of sharing.  From past experience, they did allow generators, but loud
construction site type generators were frowned upon.  Quiet RV or camp
ground units were welcomed.  Don

On Sunday, April 22, 2012, Mike Munson wrote:

> I have a 5000 watt generator that I can bring for ac power in the paddock.
> Is
> it ok to have generators there or do we have to pay RA for power?
> _______________________________________________
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From triosan at gmail.com  Sun Apr 22 22:34:13 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:34:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Signing of KASTNER CUP POSTERS for the DRIVERS
In-Reply-To: <AE3289A1-8997-4594-86C9-F35861E877D3@141.com>
References: <8CEEEB7CA9B0FC3-F88-171ED@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
	<EF0285F6-5FB0-4ED9-A9FC-3D2244122EA3@141.com>
	<8CEEEBFE136B496-F88-174D9@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
	<AE3289A1-8997-4594-86C9-F35861E877D3@141.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNBGTDcEJvNrpcdtH0DuDLaq0Qg6ROv9TGgpzMCa_LPbFA@mail.gmail.com>

I would be glad to help

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com> wrote:

> With my organizational and motivational skills and a large horse whip, I
> ought
> to be able to help out with this effort.   ;)   Any chance of getting table
> space at the hospitality tent/dinner events?
>
> Anyone else willing to assist me in this endeavor?
>
> I will provide the markers, and the whip.    :)
>
> Susan   :)
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 22, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
>
> > The most successful signing was when we had some volunteers take 40 or so
> posters and either brought the racers in or went to the racers for signing
> their name all at once.  This is huge undertaking and takes some patience.
> >
> > The end result is priceless. We may need a white marker, too, because
> there
> is a lot of dark area. Having perhaps four volunteers with posters divided
> up,
> might work. Susan, perhaps you could assemble a 'crew' and get this done.
> >
> > I have hinted around on this, but fear I have worn out my welcome.   And
> I
> understand that. I always go back to the usual suspects and that's not
> really
> fair.
> >
> > Thanks for bringing this up.
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> > A. R. E.
> > 645 1st Street
> > Jesup, Iowa 50648
> > 319.464.4711  (cell)
> > n197tr4 at cs.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
> > To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> > Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>; emanteno <emanteno at comcast.net>; bdischer
> <bdischer at vtr.org>
> > Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 11:41 am
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] DISTRIBUTION OF KASTNER CUP POSTERS by FOT AND VTR
> >
> > Thanks to everyone who made the great posters available for us!!  Will
> there
> be
> > a poster-signing session, like we did some years back? It would be great
> to
> have
> > the drivers and related notables all sign the posters.
> >
> > It's getting TOUGH to wait until Thursday!!!!!!
> >
> > Keep Triumphing,
> > Susan   :)
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
> >
> > > FOT
> > >
> > > The FOT and VTR produced over 200 posters and expect them to go fast.
> > >
> > > One poster goes to every FOT in attendance. One poster goes to every
> VTR
> > > member in attendance.
> > >
> > > A second poster will be available for $5.00. It's not about the money.
> It
> just
> > > slows down the requests 'for my buddy back home'.
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve Belfer donated his artful talents for the poster.
> > > VTR's Joe Pawlak, from ISOA,  produced at his cost.
> > > VTR paid this cost with the help of Blake Discher
> > > Ronnie Babbitt of GTA will coordinate distribution to VTR members
> > > Irv Korey and Steve Yott are transporting posters from Chicago.
> > >
> > > It takes a TRIUMPH VILLAGE to distribute our posters.
> > >
> > > I would prefer disposing of all of the posters at the track. I shipped
> shirts
> > > and posters after Laguna Seca and not sure how I got sucked into that.
> If
> you
> > > are not coming and want a poster get one of the attendees to procure
> and
> send.
> > > Not being grumpy, just thought I'd better say something.
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe Alexander
> > > A. R. E.
> > > 645 1st Street
> > > Jesup, Iowa 50648
> > > 319.464.4711  (cell)
> > > n197tr4 at cs.com
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From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Mon Apr 23 03:29:14 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 05:29:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mitty crew passes
Message-ID: <12707C91F489404494199138AB099743@TRIUMPH.local>

Thanks to everybody who offered up their spare crew slots. I believe I 
matched up everybody who emailed me looking for a pass with a racer with 
spares. If I missed somebody, get hold of me today!

The gates open at Road Atlanta in 2 1/2 days!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 


From cwnfot at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 05:43:36 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:43:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Arriving early for the Mitty?
Message-ID: <000301cd2146$52a0ce30$f7e26a90$@com>

If anyone arrives early and needs something to do, drive West on rt 53 to
Dawsonville and check out the new race course there. Atlanta Motorsports
Park.

http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ 

 

Also some Bill Elliot theme spots.

 

Dahlonega is fun also.

 

I'll arrive Thursday if all goes to plan.
Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
"Reality, it's not what you think."


From harmug at us.ibm.com  Mon Apr 23 07:14:12 2012
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:14:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1335117601.14584.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.0.1335117601.14584.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OFA5834767.8F38F024-ON852579E9.00487C7D-852579E9.0048B6E2@us.ibm.com>

Related to the power question, is the internet access, WiFI or a media
center at Road Atlanta?

All set to roll, I think.

mike
63 Spit

G. Michael Harmuth


From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Apr 23 08:29:56 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:29:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA?
Message-ID: <a23e.3d2f4c92.3cc6c164@aol.com>

In a message dated 04/23/2012 8:14:33 AM Central Daylight Time, 
harmug at us.ibm.com writes:


> <<< Related to the power question, is the internet access, WiFI or a 
> media
> center at Road Atlanta? >>>
> 

Mike...

This is a 'vintage event'.  

They have a telegraph service.

Bill (Damdinger)


From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Apr 23 08:39:00 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:39:00 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA?
Message-ID: <mailman.65.1638251576.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

The Beady-eye crew has an in car telegraph system... So they should be able to teach us to use it.  I'll bring an Edison player... As they data log on a wax cylinder.
Jason
FGR
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Sent: Apr 23, 2012 9:29 AM

In a message dated 04/23/2012 8:14:33 AM Central Daylight Time, 
harmug at us.ibm.com writes:


> <<< Related to the power question, is the internet access, WiFI or a 
> media
> center at Road Atlanta? >>>
> 

Mike...

This is a 'vintage event'.  

They have a telegraph service.

Bill (Damdinger)
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From jkhagen at charter.net  Mon Apr 23 08:56:42 2012
From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:56:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Mitty Car number swap request
Message-ID: <6c1cbc53.2d592b.136dfb463b6.Webtop.43@charter.net>

AMICI,, Good luck Sam--Maybe CMS Magazine would like an article about 
your car--They are doing one about Pat Starrs' TR powered Morgan he has 
been racing for 40+ years.  They have a picture of my car and the Morgan 
side by side from Brainerd in1973!--Both cars will be on the "Other" 
side of the main straight--with the "Bad Guys" [MG's] from Minnesota. 
Come and see us --we will also be trying to catch the Morgan. John Hagen 
#62


On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Sam Halkias wrote:

> I just checked the entry list for the Triumph event at the Mitty on 
> the HSR
> website and noticed I did not get the car number I requested. Bob 
> Wismer was
> assigned the #4 and my McComb Trubute TR6 got #14. Apparently we both
> requested #4 and Bob's entry must have beat mine in. As the car is a 
> Group 44
> look alike of the 1975 TR6 of McCombs championship at Road Atlanta I 
> would
> very much like to switch number with Bob. Are you on the list Bob? 
> Does
> anybody know how I can contact Bob in the event he's not seeing this 
> message?
> I would sure appreciate the favor Bob and I'll owe you one!
>
> Sam Halkias
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Apr 23 09:03:32 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:03:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA?
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No, No, No.....smoke signals 


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In a message dated 04/23/2012 8:14:33 AM Central Daylight Time,
harmug at us.ibm.com writes:


> <<< Related to the power question, is the internet access, WiFI or a 
> media
> center at Road Atlanta? >>>
> 

Mike...

This is a 'vintage event'.  

They have a telegraph service.

Bill (Damdinger)
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Mon Apr 23 09:15:13 2012
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:15:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA?
References: <a23e.3d2f4c92.3cc6c164@aol.com>
Message-ID: <79CDD87ED6CD49FBB43A035B8F407C2A@owner8914bbf7f>

What, no Pony Express?
Good luck to all who are going; it wasn't in the cards for me this year.
See you all somewhere later in the summer.
Bill----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA?


> In a message dated 04/23/2012 8:14:33 AM Central Daylight Time,
> harmug at us.ibm.com writes:
>
>
>> <<< Related to the power question, is the internet access, WiFI or a
>> media
>> center at Road Atlanta? >>>
>>
>
> Mike...
>
> This is a 'vintage event'.
>
> They have a telegraph service.
>
> Bill (Damdinger)
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 09:56:30 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:56:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA?
In-Reply-To: <OFA5834767.8F38F024-ON852579E9.00487C7D-852579E9.0048B6E2@us.ibm.com>
References: <mailman.0.1335117601.14584.fot@autox.team.net>
	<OFA5834767.8F38F024-ON852579E9.00487C7D-852579E9.0048B6E2@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <007501cd2169$a703f6f0$f50be4d0$@com>

The Media Center is in the tower across the track from the infield pits
(last I knew, upper levels). Whether they will have WiFi up and running
you'll need to contact Road Atlanta.

Otherwise the office building near the outfield entrance should have it,
whether it is open to everyone is a good question.

Another option may be if one of the FOT has a cell phone/data plan that can
provide a "hot-spot"

Aren't they using transponders for timing/scoring? Technology is in use.

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
"Reality, it's not what you think." 


From rblake36 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 23 12:48:04 2012
From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:48:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Tech at the Mitty
Message-ID: <1335206884.28530.YahooMailClassic@web125802.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I'm sure this question has been asked and answered, I just missed it. What is
the tech situation at the Mitty.  I am 2 months out of date on my annual,
having been 4 months in a rebuild.  Does FOT  have a tech rep assigned to us,
and if so, does anybody know the contact.  If not I guess I go thro tech with
the masses.  Appreciate any guidance.
Bob Blake


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Tue Apr 24 02:42:16 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 04:42:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tech at the Mitty
References: <1335206884.28530.YahooMailClassic@web125802.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3E99C65C1C3F4EABB28D0064D76546D8@TRIUMPH.local>

HSR is supposed to have a roving tech person over on our paddock. I have no 
details on when they will be there.

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:48 PM
Subject: [Fot] Tech at the Mitty


> I'm sure this question has been asked and answered, I just missed it. What 
> is
> the tech situation at the Mitty.  I am 2 months out of date on my annual,
> having been 4 months in a rebuild.  Does FOT  have a tech rep assigned to 
> us,
> and if so, does anybody know the contact.  If not I guess I go thro tech 
> with
> the masses.  Appreciate any guidance.
> Bob Blake
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue Apr 24 21:41:34 2012
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:41:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
Message-ID: <SNT134-W46DD51C93DA336B0E5C5B790270@phx.gbl>

Hello engine rebuilding enthusiasts.  I have assembled the lower end of my
Brand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a situation
where the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck.  Can I simply deal with
this by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket?  giving a .025" to .030"
clearance between the top of tht piston and the head?

I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is going
to take.

Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico


From malaboge at aol.com  Wed Apr 25 00:16:09 2012
From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:16:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
Message-ID: <8CEF0C20A928782-D28-2B459@webmail-m131.sysops.aol.com>

OK Henry...
Fess up, whats this "brand X" motor?  More info needed here...
first thoughts include:
decked block
longer rods
wrong pistons
some hotrodders have been known to setup a motor like this with a flycut head
or????



-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Morrison <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 24, 2012 8:41 pm
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)


Hello engine rebuilding enthusiasts.  I have assembled the lower end of my
rand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a situation
here the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck.  Can I simply deal with
his by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket?  giving a .025" to .030"
learance between the top of tht piston and the head?
I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is going
o take.
Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico
______________________________________________


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Wed Apr 25 05:25:34 2012
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:25:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
In-Reply-To: <20120424214534.CDD91026@resin13.mta.everyone.net>
References: <20120424214534.CDD91026@resin13.mta.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <SNT134-W5067548B63087358986EF490270@phx.gbl>

J & E  .....................Cheers, Henry


> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:45:34 -0700
> From: bfeken at copper.net
> To: dos_gusanos at msn.com
> Subject: Re: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
>
> Henry, What make of pistons are they
>
>
> Ken G at BFE
>
> --- dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote:
>
> From: Henry Morrison <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
> To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:41:34 -0600
>
> Hello engine rebuilding enthusiasts. I have assembled the lower end of my
> Brand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a
situation
> where the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck. Can I simply deal
with
> this by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket? giving a .025" to .030"
> clearance between the top of tht piston and the head?
>
> I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is
going
> to take.
>
> Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Wed Apr 25 05:31:09 2012
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:31:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW:  My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
In-Reply-To: <SNT134-W50F94863B76052D120A85B90270@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT134-W46DD51C93DA336B0E5C5B790270@phx.gbl>,
	<8CEF0C1CE37BD18-D28-2B44D@webmail-m131.sysops.aol.com>,
	<SNT134-W50F94863B76052D120A85B90270@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT134-W317C611EBD46C26996DFBF90270@phx.gbl>

From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
To: malaboge at aol.com
Subject: RE: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:29:13 -0600




MGA 1622 cc Carrillo Rods, J & E pistons,  I didn't deck the block but the PO
might have.....................Cheers Henry





To: dos_gusanos at msn.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
From: malaboge at aol.com
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:14:28 -0400


OK Henry...
Fess up, whats this "brand X" motor?  More info needed here...
first thoughts include:
decked block
longer rods
wrong pistons
some hotrodders have been known to setup a motor like this with a flycut head
or????



-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Morrison <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 24, 2012 8:41 pm
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)


Hello engine rebuilding enthusiasts.  I have assembled the lower end of my
Brand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a situation
where the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck.  Can I simply deal
with
this by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket?  giving a .025" to .030"
clearance between the top of tht piston and the head?

I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is going
to take.

Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Apr 25 07:19:16 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:19:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
In-Reply-To: <SNT134-W46DD51C93DA336B0E5C5B790270@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT134-W46DD51C93DA336B0E5C5B790270@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <mailman.66.1638251576.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

A thick copper gasket would do the trick if it seals OK.

Tony

At 10:41 PM 4/24/2012, Henry Morrison wrote:
>Hello engine rebuilding enthusiasts.  I have assembled the lower end of my
>Brand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a situation
>where the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck.  Can I simply deal with
>this by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket?  giving a .025" to .030"
>clearance between the top of tht piston and the head?
>
>I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is going
>to take.
>
>Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Wed Apr 25 09:08:04 2012
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:08:04 +0000
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
Message-ID: <772659026-1335366486-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-75590544-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry>

A thicker gasket would be easiest. 
 
However, be mindful that combustion pressure is obviously greatest near TDC. @ TDC the top compression ring will now have less cylinder space above it.  Somewhere I recall that the top ring should be about .100" below deck to mitigate pressure blow-by.  If  there are other opinions I'm all ears.  Not an "engineer" (love this word and so appropriate for this topic)
M
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From: Henry Morrison
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
Sent: Apr 24, 2012 8:41 PM

Hello engine rebuilding enthusiasts.  I have assembled the lower end of my
Brand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a situation
where the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck.  Can I simply deal with
this by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket?  giving a .025" to .030"
clearance between the top of tht piston and the head?

I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is going
to take.

Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico
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From malaboge at aol.com  Wed Apr 25 10:46:06 2012
From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:46:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] FW:  My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
In-Reply-To: <SNT134-W317C611EBD46C26996DFBF90270@phx.gbl>
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	<8CEF0C1CE37BD18-D28-2B44D@webmail-m131.sysops.aol.com>,
	<SNT134-W50F94863B76052D120A85B90270@phx.gbl>
	<SNT134-W317C611EBD46C26996DFBF90270@phx.gbl>
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Henry,

Well Carillo and J&E have been makin those bits for "a while now", so that's
prolly not the problem, but ya never know!.  Are these flat top pistons, or
the units with a "bar" across the top...or even "round top" pistons?  The
"bar" type will definitely protrude above the block.  The "round top" units
will also protrude above the block in the center and the "nose" that sticks
out between the valves on the head has to be slightly modified.  If they're
flat tops and every thing else measures OK, my bet is for decked block setup
for a flycut head...not an unknown setup on an MG motor.
Considering how marginal the head gasket setup is for MGA/B motors (and how
often it is the crux of between session thrashings) I don't think you're gonna
have a lot of success running a "fat" gasket.
Yeah 1622 blocks are getting a little scarce on the ground, so if it were
mine, I'd sell the J&E's and have another set made with a modified pin
position. Or, if there's enuf "meat" on the crown, cut 'em to fit.

ported and relieved, stroked and bored in Nor Cal
Nick






-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Morrison <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Apr 25, 2012 4:37 am
Subject: [Fot] FW: My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)


From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
o: malaboge at aol.com
ubject: RE: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
ate: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:29:13 -0600


GA 1622 cc Carrillo Rods, J & E pistons,  I didn't deck the block but the PO
ight have.....................Cheers Henry


To: dos_gusanos at msn.com
ubject: Re: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
rom: malaboge at aol.com
ate: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:14:28 -0400

K Henry...
ess up, whats this "brand X" motor?  More info needed here...
irst thoughts include:
ecked block
onger rods
rong pistons
ome hotrodders have been known to setup a motor like this with a flycut head
r????

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o: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
ent: Tue, Apr 24, 2012 8:41 pm
ubject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)

ello engine rebuilding enthusiasts.  I have assembled the lower end of my
rand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a situation
here the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck.  Can I simply deal
ith
his by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket?  giving a .025" to .030"
learance between the top of tht piston and the head?
I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is going
o take.
Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Apr 25 14:42:51 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:42:51 +0000
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
In-Reply-To: <772659026-1335366486-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-75590544-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry>
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That is the exact same advice I gave him Mordy.

Never be beaten by equipment


> To: dos_gusanos at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net
> From: gasket.works at gte.net
> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:08:04 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
>
> A thicker gasket would be easiest.
>
> However, be mindful that combustion pressure is obviously greatest near TDC.
@ TDC the top compression ring will now have less cylinder space above it.
Somewhere I recall that the top ring should be about .100" below deck to
mitigate pressure blow-by. If there are other opinions I'm all ears. Not an
"engineer" (love this word and so appropriate for this topic)
> M
> ------Original Message------
> From: Henry Morrison
> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> To: FOT
> Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
> Sent: Apr 24, 2012 8:41 PM
>
> Hello engine rebuilding enthusiasts. I have assembled the lower end of my
> Brand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a
situation
> where the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck. Can I simply deal
with
> this by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket? giving a .025" to .030"
> clearance between the top of tht piston and the head?
>
> I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is
going
> to take.
>
> Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico
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From markvaden at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 15:04:04 2012
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:04:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Headers for TR4
Message-ID: <CAExoegk7OJX7y4Hf9Vj1PBYFb_Ux052QPtfH=Cyk6SnUsH38LQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

Who sells a good set of headers for TR4 race engine?

-Mark


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Apr 25 15:35:54 2012
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:35:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Headers for TR4
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Message-ID: <000801cd232b$6557a120$3006e360$@com>

We purchased ours from Ted Schumacher at TS Imports.  We're very pleased
with it.  I was able to order it with a specified flange thickness (1/2
inch) to match up to the intake manifold flange so that the clamps would fit
properly without having to weld extra bits on the header flange or resort to
putting washers under the clamp ears.  I thought the price was right also.

Tim & Ryan Murphy
1961 TR-4 #317

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Behalf Of Mark Vaden
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:04 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Headers for TR4

Hi Everyone,

Who sells a good set of headers for TR4 race engine?

-Mark
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Thu Apr 26 19:38:59 2012
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:38:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Here's the latest scoop on the Mitty!
In-Reply-To: <61D52A6C2A6C4707831021128292BA54@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <1891886527.1679825.1335490739529.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Is an B Rv orB  enclosed trailer to tallB B  seems like a nice spot to set up
and shoot fromB  Stable and lots of room for equ. and an assistant.B B B B 
over an out.B B  robB B 
----- Original Message -----
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 7:13:15 PM
Subject: [Fot] Here's the latest scoop on the Mitty!

Everything is coming together very nicely, some of the details we need to
know are developing, so here goes...

The Panoramic Photo is happening Friday after the track goes quiet. The
picture will take place on the track, and it looks like we have a choice of
locations. No doubt it will be a keeper! Anyone who has ever participated in
one of these knows how time consuming the setup is, so everybody's patience
is appreciated. Our photographer will be Bob Lang, and we are trying to
secure a tall stepladder. If anyone has a stepladder taller than 6 feet and
can easily bring it, please email me off list!

We have several people coming that are looking for crew passes. If anyone
has any crew slots not being used, email me off list. If anyone needs a crew
pass, email me off list as well and we will see what we can work out.

Remember, if you are coming in your street Triumph and bought the Georgia
Triumph's entry, you do not need a crew pass. The GA Triumph credential gets
you anywhere crew can go!

I just found out the IMSA GTP cars will be over in the Pro Paddock with us.
There are only 15 of them, so don't worry, there will be plenty of room. I
think it will be great to have some very cool race cars in the paddock with
us! I should be getting a map, and will post it on the website when I get it
so there will be less confusion during setup.

Our hosts, Classic Motorsports has provided us with a canopy that will serve
as our Hospitality Tent. I think it will be 20X20. Speaking of our hosts, be
sure to thank Tim Suddard, Andy Reid, and the rest of the Classic
Motorsports crew for all their efforts. The amount of work involved to make
our part of this event go is huge, let alone the big picture.

I believe there will be a very short gathering in our Hospitality Tent on
Thursday night after the Test Day is done, more as that plan comes together.

Looking forward to seeing everybody again!

Cheers

Henry
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Apr 26 20:49:09 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:49:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Daydreaming
Message-ID: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>

While I obviously won't be there, at least I can wear my new shirt
and daydream about the event.

Thanks guys for the pleasant surprise in my mailbox!

mjb.


From mini at wi.rr.com  Thu Apr 26 22:25:57 2012
From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:25:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a TR6 engine in San Francisco area
Message-ID: <4F9A1FD5.1080700@wi.rr.com>

Looking for a good used engine for a TR6 in the San Francisco area. Good 
friend had a valve spring brake on her TR and the valve took out the 
whole engine. Looking to help her get her car back on the road.

Thanks


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr 26 22:40:36 2012
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:40:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Daydreaming
Message-ID: <l52bh2s8gctdh2lih5n732bh.1335501636856@email.android.com>

If you can't get to Atlanta, go to Miller. ALMS there this weekend. Ran into a few crew members on my way through SLC going to California.

Doug
--
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dmitchel at sbcglobal.net

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>and daydream about the event.
>
>Thanks guys for the pleasant surprise in my mailbox!
>
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 27 12:08:20 2012
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:08:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Daydreaming
Message-ID: <pjhr5n7sp5lxfbkj1y77t9vm.1335550100096@email.android.com>

Ok, I meant World Championship, not ALMS. Late night, long day.

Doug
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Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>If you can't get to Atlanta, go to Miller. ALMS there this weekend. Ran into a few crew members on my way through SLC going to California.
>
>Doug
>--
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>dmitchel at sbcglobal.net
>
>Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 27 14:04:38 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:04:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Daydreamingee
In-Reply-To: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>

It is hot...some guy in a 250K is running  3 sec faster than Quin Derby's spit
in2nd place.  Mark Wheatly is only 5 tents. Behind  Quin.  I am turning 58's
with Bob Kramer just just 2tenths behind. Wonder how he feels being behind his
old car?



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> While I obviously won't be there, at least I can wear my new shirt
> and daydream about the event.
>
> Thanks guys for the pleasant surprise in my mailbox!
>
> mjb.
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Fri Apr 27 14:47:07 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:47:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Daydreamingee
In-Reply-To: <B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>

I can answer that in one word. Motivated.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:04 PM, John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:

> car?


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 27 14:49:01 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:49:01 +0200
Subject: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....
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	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
	<30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Q6O5zGKrE&feature=share

Cheers
Chris


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Apr 27 15:44:57 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:44:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] The MITTY   THE KASTNER cUP
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	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <8CEF2D61F7CE181-2404-A529@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com>

 The John Hasty car looks good and well driven.

The Father/Son teams are doing well and to be cherished.

Some unfortunate  triumph attrition, but no injuries.

Kas has developed a short list already, but it is always a surprise at the
checker.

Lot's of interesting people here and always a great time talking to them.

Sean....is learning the track with his first two sessions ever here.  A fuel
handling problem distracted him somewhat, but he isolated the cause and fixed
it. No doubt he will move up in the pack somewhat in the next session, Always
does a great job.

Still hoping other son, Mark, will arrive on a plane today.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Fri, Apr 27, 2012 3:05 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Daydreamingee


It is hot...some guy in a 250K is running  3 sec faster than Quin Derby's
spit
in2nd place.  Mark Wheatly is only 5 tents. Behind  Quin.  I am turning 58's
with Bob Kramer just just 2tenths behind. Wonder how he feels being behind
his
old car?



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> and daydream about the event.
>
> Thanks guys for the pleasant surprise in my mailbox!
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From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 16:21:52 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:21:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Daydreamingee
In-Reply-To: <30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
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You all did catch that let is a Spit in second!
On Apr 27, 2012 4:47 PM, "Bob Kramer" <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> I can answer that in one word. Motivated.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Fri Apr 27 17:12:34 2012
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:12:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Daydreamingee
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Oh yes, that awesome fact was noted!!!

Susan   :)

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> You all did catch that let is a Spit in second!
> On Apr 27, 2012 4:47 PM, "Bob Kramer" <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I can answer that in one word. Motivated.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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>>> car?
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 27 18:09:13 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:09:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Daydreamingee
In-Reply-To: <30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
	<30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <942E2C9C-938D-43FC-A4FE-DF08393C3BAC@gdhs.com>

See ya @ 8:15

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> I can answer that in one word. Motivated.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:04 PM, John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:
> 
>> car?


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 27 18:18:37 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:18:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....
In-Reply-To: <002701cd24b7$2e4150e0$8ac3f2a0$@com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
	<30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
	<002701cd24b7$2e4150e0$8ac3f2a0$@com>
Message-ID: <38125A19-752C-4EB0-99F5-54D1D5AE01DD@gdhs.com>

Chris. What are those horrible Italian things on the right side of the motor?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:49 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Q6O5zGKrE&feature=share
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 27 19:45:35 2012
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:45:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Help needed at the Mitty...
In-Reply-To: <38125A19-752C-4EB0-99F5-54D1D5AE01DD@gdhs.com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
	<30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
	<002701cd24b7$2e4150e0$8ac3f2a0$@com>
	<38125A19-752C-4EB0-99F5-54D1D5AE01DD@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <76D801E5-7867-4310-AB47-9FBEE265D32C@yahoo.com>

Anyone got a right front brake caliper for a '75 TR6?  We lost one in the
endure this afternoon and the spares are at home...trying to get Joe out there
for the Cup tomorrow...this is for Lacey, the ChumpCar.

You can reach me at 919-278-8 four one two if you can help...thanks in
advance

Jamie Palmer
Squadron Leader
RiffRAF Racing


On Apr 27, 2012, at 8:18 PM, John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:

> Chris. What are those horrible Italian things on the right side of the
motor?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:49 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Q6O5zGKrE&feature=share
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Apr 27 20:53:42 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:53:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY    AND THE VTR   KASTNER CUP POSTERS
Message-ID: <8CEF3014140554F-2404-B755@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com>

 The Kastner Cup posters have arrived .    Come to the KASTNER CUP HOSPITALITY
TENT in the PRO - PADDOCK and pick up your KCUP POSTER as a VTR and FOT
MEMBER.

We will be here all day on Saturday. There will all kinds of interesting
characters available to sign.




Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Apr 27 21:18:26 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:18:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PRESENTATION-  Saturday
Message-ID: <8CEF304B5F7123F-2404-B847@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com>

stand by for media tower announcements.....we may have the presentation at the
Kastner Cup Hospitality Tent.

that makes sense for all of us that are racing, but it might be bit noisy.

on the other hand we will have posters, Kastner Cup, and racers close by.

it's the best plan i can come up with at the moment.......

next year will be a lot easier....this is such a huge event at ROAD ATLANTA

thanks to CLASSIC MOTORSPORTS for making this all happen.

AND for a non-organization we do very well. What a great bunch of folks.
Thank you all.




Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From cwnfot at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 19:37:42 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:37:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mitty
In-Reply-To: <000801cd232b$6557a120$3006e360$@com>
References: <CAExoegk7OJX7y4Hf9Vj1PBYFb_Ux052QPtfH=Cyk6SnUsH38LQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000801cd232b$6557a120$3006e360$@com>
Message-ID: <DB9EA369-C643-4635-934C-FF8367F30BB9@gmail.com>

Smartphone app Race Monitor will have real time scoring of Mitty races. FYI

Sent from my iPhone
Clark


From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Sat Apr 28 10:31:18 2012
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:31:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mitty
In-Reply-To: <DB9EA369-C643-4635-934C-FF8367F30BB9@gmail.com>
References: <CAExoegk7OJX7y4Hf9Vj1PBYFb_Ux052QPtfH=Cyk6SnUsH38LQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000801cd232b$6557a120$3006e360$@com>
	<DB9EA369-C643-4635-934C-FF8367F30BB9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0051B4A8-AAE1-4499-8EE5-968CA2819E6C@aol.com>

Cant connect.   It's the only I can be there.    I wish I could of gone!

On Apr 27, 2012, at 9:37 PM, "Clark W. Nicholls" <cwnfot at gmail.com> wrote:

> Smartphone app Race Monitor will have real time scoring of Mitty races. FYI
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> Clark
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Apr 28 13:31:43 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:31:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Team.Net web server
In-Reply-To: <4F9C4342.9000605@bradakis.com>
References: <4F9C4342.9000605@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4F9C459F.90402@bradakis.com>

While working on one problem I accidently caused another, as anyone who
tried to get to the forums, the mailman admin page, the donate link or
whatever during the last 12 hours or so would know.

The server is now responding, though the problems I was working on are still
unresolved.  I'd rather be at The Mitty!

mjb.


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Sat Apr 28 17:11:02 2012
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:11:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Transportation
Message-ID: <139AEC3F-313D-4ACC-8BCA-AB0FF13A5E99@comcast.net>

Hello:

I know it's a long shot but worth asking, I may have a TR4 to ship from San
Francisco area to northern Illinois.  By chance will anyone have an empty
trailer going that route in the near future?  If not, any suggestions other
than the commercial car carriers?  Thanks.

Gary


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Sat Apr 28 17:15:39 2012
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:15:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Car transport
Message-ID: <630B7DA6-4D1D-43FC-A244-703CB83D7F63@comcast.net>

Mistake on my last email, destination is Indiana not Illinois.

Gary

Sent from my iPad


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Apr 29 13:34:39 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:34:39 +0200
Subject: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....
In-Reply-To: <38125A19-752C-4EB0-99F5-54D1D5AE01DD@gdhs.com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
	<30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
	<002701cd24b7$2e4150e0$8ac3f2a0$@com>
	<38125A19-752C-4EB0-99F5-54D1D5AE01DD@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <000001cd263f$1fb76440$5f262cc0$@com>

Horrible?
They make it sound.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 28. April 2012 02:19
An: MadMarx
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Chris. What are those horrible Italian things on the right side of the
motor?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:49 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Q6O5zGKrE&feature=share
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Apr 29 13:46:16 2012
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 12:46:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....
In-Reply-To: <000001cd263f$1fb76440$5f262cc0$@com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com><B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com><30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com><002701cd24b7$2e4150e0$8ac3f2a0$@com><38125A19-752C-4EB0-99F5-54D1D5AE01DD@gdhs.com>
	<000001cd263f$1fb76440$5f262cc0$@com>
Message-ID: <DC533DDDCDC14D20A52ED7031B56EE48@Vista>

Doesn't take long to get the engine up to operating temperature with no
coolant in it.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 12:35 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Horrible?
They make it sound.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 28. April 2012 02:19
An: MadMarx
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Chris. What are those horrible Italian things on the right side of the
motor?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:49 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Q6O5zGKrE&feature=share
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Apr 29 13:49:00 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:49:00 +0200
Subject: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....
In-Reply-To: <DC533DDDCDC14D20A52ED7031B56EE48@Vista>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com><B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com><30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com><002701cd24b7$2e4150e0$8ac3f2a0$@com><38125A19-752C-4EB0-99F5-54D1D5AE01DD@gdhs.com>
	<000001cd263f$1fb76440$5f262cc0$@com>
	<DC533DDDCDC14D20A52ED7031B56EE48@Vista>
Message-ID: <000001cd2641$21bda9a0$6538fce0$@com>

Very true....that's why not to run it too long at this stage.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. April 2012 21:46
An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Doesn't take long to get the engine up to operating temperature with no
coolant in it.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 12:35 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Horrible?
They make it sound.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 28. April 2012 02:19
An: MadMarx
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Chris. What are those horrible Italian things on the right side of the
motor?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:49 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Q6O5zGKrE&feature=share
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Sun Apr 29 19:09:04 2012
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:09:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....
In-Reply-To: <000001cd2641$21bda9a0$6538fce0$@com>
Message-ID: <1335748144.86287.YahooMailClassic@web184417.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Chris: Was that first start of the engine? I have been lead to understand that
in the first  10-20 minutes of running we should not "blip" the throttle
because the cam/lifters are breaking in to each other...that this is the moost
critiical time for thhe engine. Do you use a different procedure?

Ed

--- On Sun, 4/29/12, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:


From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....
To: "'Friends of Triumph'" <FOT at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, April 29, 2012, 2:49 PM


Very true....that's why not to run it too long at this stage.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. April 2012 21:46
An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Doesn't take long to get the engine up to operating temperature with no
coolant in it.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 12:35 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Horrible?
They make it sound.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 28. April 2012 02:19
An: MadMarx
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Chris. What are those horrible Italian things on the right side of the
motor?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:49 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Q6O5zGKrE&feature=share
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Apr 29 21:00:55 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:00:55 -0600
Subject: [Fot] So....
Message-ID: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com>

Kastner Cup results?

mjb.


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Apr 29 22:20:55 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 23:20:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] So....
In-Reply-To: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com>
References: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>

Kastner Cup went to Randy WIlliams

Mechanical casualty highlights
Ventilated blocks: Marty Sukey, Henry Frye
Lost valve or piston: Bobby Whitehead
Engine swaps: Bill Hart (Tony Garmey), Jerry Barker (still had
inexplicable head gasket problems afterwards)

Race results:
1. Tony Garmey, 250K
2. Mike Munson, TR-6 (nice flames in the paint)
3. Randy Williams, TR-3
4. Quinn Derby, Spit
5. Leigh Derby, Spit
6. Mark Wheatley, TR-4
7. George Wright, TR-4
8. Tony Drews, TR-4
9. David Cizmas, TR-6
10. Jim Stouffer, TR-6
11. Bob Kramer, TR-4
12. Greg Blake, TR-3
13. Greg Kimbrough, Spit
14. Jason Ostrowski, GT-6
15. Sean Alexander, TR-4
16. William Newman, GT-6
17. John Hasty, TR-3
18. Bill Collings, Spit
19. Bob Lembke, "66 Triumph Mk 2 1147" - Spit I assume
20. Joe Hovey, Spit
21. Robert DeAnes, TR-4
22. Bill Hart, Devin TR
23. Susan Kahler, Spit
24. John Hagen, TR-4
25. Henry Frye in Bill Dentinger's TR-3 (what a nice thing for Bill to do!)
26. George Michael Harmut, Spit
27. Bob Wismer, TR-4
28. Joseph Downer, TR-6
29. John Nikas in Dennis Delap's TR-4 (what a nice thing for Dennis to do!)
30. John Fridirici, TR-3
31. Jerry Barker, Spitfire

- Tony Drews

> Kastner Cup results?
>
> mjb.


From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Apr 29 23:40:03 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 23:40:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] So....
In-Reply-To: <72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
References: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com>
	<72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <4F9E25B3.6080205@bradakis.com>

Thanks for the info.  I am sure we'll be hearing more from the participants
in the coming days as they get back home and decompress.

mjb.


From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Sun Apr 29 23:42:13 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 22:42:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] So....
In-Reply-To: <72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
References: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com>
	<72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3C55@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

Congratulations to the winners, meaning all of you who participated in this
terrific event.

Ed Dunn




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of tony at tonydrews.com
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:21 PM
To: Mark J Bradakis
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] So....

Kastner Cup went to Randy WIlliams

Mechanical casualty highlights
Ventilated blocks: Marty Sukey, Henry Frye Lost valve or piston: Bobby
Whitehead Engine swaps: Bill Hart (Tony Garmey), Jerry Barker (still had
inexplicable head gasket problems afterwards)

Race results:
1. Tony Garmey, 250K
2. Mike Munson, TR-6 (nice flames in the paint) 3. Randy Williams, TR-3 4.
Quinn Derby, Spit 5. Leigh Derby, Spit 6. Mark Wheatley, TR-4 7. George
Wright, TR-4 8. Tony Drews, TR-4 9. David Cizmas, TR-6 10. Jim Stouffer, TR-6
11. Bob Kramer, TR-4 12. Greg Blake, TR-3 13. Greg Kimbrough, Spit 14. Jason
Ostrowski, GT-6 15. Sean Alexander, TR-4 16. William Newman, GT-6 17. John
Hasty, TR-3 18. Bill Collings, Spit 19. Bob Lembke, "66 Triumph Mk 2 1147" -
Spit I assume 20. Joe Hovey, Spit 21. Robert DeAnes, TR-4 22. Bill Hart, Devin
TR 23. Susan Kahler, Spit 24. John Hagen, TR-4 25. Henry Frye in Bill
Dentinger's TR-3 (what a nice thing for Bill to do!) 26. George Michael
Harmut, Spit 27. Bob Wismer, TR-4 28. Joseph Downer, TR-6 29. John Nikas in
Dennis Delap's TR-4 (what a nice thing for Dennis to do!) 30. John Fridirici,
TR-3 31. Jerry Barker, Spitfire

- Tony Drews

> Kastner Cup results?
>
> mjb.
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 05:41:45 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:41:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mitty
In-Reply-To: <0051B4A8-AAE1-4499-8EE5-968CA2819E6C@aol.com>
References: <CAExoegk7OJX7y4Hf9Vj1PBYFb_Ux052QPtfH=Cyk6SnUsH38LQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000801cd232b$6557a120$3006e360$@com>
	<DB9EA369-C643-4635-934C-FF8367F30BB9@gmail.com>
	<0051B4A8-AAE1-4499-8EE5-968CA2819E6C@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004201cd26c6$393e0b80$abba2280$@com>

Hopefully this will help.
A friend is monitoring the races from CT using his Smartphone, so it is
possible...

http://www.race-monitor.com/Home/FAQ 

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
"Reality, it's not what you think."


From cwnfot at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 05:56:45 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:56:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] So....
In-Reply-To: <72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
References: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com>
	<72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <004501cd26c8$51c608e0$f5521aa0$@com>

John Hasty, TR-3, should get a "Hard Charger" or "most fun" award!
He started at the rear since the grid was based on the morning Qualifying
session only and his "let's try this" didn't work. He had a ball moving up.

The event was great! Kudos to the FOT!
I had a lot of fun chatting with the Slagles in particular and catching up
from decades ago!
Also great to see Dick Gilmartin since he left the Lime Rock area a few
years ago.
http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/DickGilmartin.htm 
And Jerry Barker, and Jim Reeves and ..... Wow!
And of course the other usual suspects...
Anyone see Ric Cline?

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
"Reality, it's not what you think."


-----Original Message-----

Race results:
1. Tony Garmey, 250K
2. Mike Munson, TR-6 (nice flames in the paint)
3. Randy Williams, TR-3
4. Quinn Derby, Spit
5. Leigh Derby, Spit
6. Mark Wheatley, TR-4
7. George Wright, TR-4
8. Tony Drews, TR-4
9. David Cizmas, TR-6
10. Jim Stouffer, TR-6
11. Bob Kramer, TR-4
12. Greg Blake, TR-3
13. Greg Kimbrough, Spit
14. Jason Ostrowski, GT-6
15. Sean Alexander, TR-4
16. William Newman, GT-6
17. John Hasty, TR-3
18. Bill Collings, Spit
19. Bob Lembke, "66 Triumph Mk 2 1147" - Spit I assume
20. Joe Hovey, Spit
21. Robert DeAnes, TR-4
22. Bill Hart, Devin TR
23. Susan Kahler, Spit
24. John Hagen, TR-4
25. Henry Frye in Bill Dentinger's TR-3 (what a nice thing for Bill to do!)
26. George Michael Harmut, Spit
27. Bob Wismer, TR-4
28. Joseph Downer, TR-6
29. John Nikas in Dennis Delap's TR-4 (what a nice thing for Dennis to do!)
30. John Fridirici, TR-3
31. Jerry Barker, Spitfire

- Tony Drews


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Apr 30 10:05:28 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:05:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] So....
In-Reply-To: <72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
References: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com>
	<72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <40D67601CDF0412F99B2696730D80B40@gdhs.local>

Congrats to Randy....just wish my 3A was as fast as his or perhaps it should
be, wish I was as fast as he is! 


John H. Hasty
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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of tony at tonydrews.com
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 12:21 AM
To: Mark J Bradakis
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] So....

Kastner Cup went to Randy WIlliams

Mechanical casualty highlights
Ventilated blocks: Marty Sukey, Henry Frye Lost valve or piston: Bobby
Whitehead Engine swaps: Bill Hart (Tony Garmey), Jerry Barker (still had
inexplicable head gasket problems afterwards)

Race results:
1. Tony Garmey, 250K
2. Mike Munson, TR-6 (nice flames in the paint) 3. Randy Williams, TR-3 4.
Quinn Derby, Spit 5. Leigh Derby, Spit 6. Mark Wheatley, TR-4 7. George
Wright, TR-4 8. Tony Drews, TR-4 9. David Cizmas, TR-6 10. Jim Stouffer,
TR-6 11. Bob Kramer, TR-4 12. Greg Blake, TR-3 13. Greg Kimbrough, Spit 14.
Jason Ostrowski, GT-6 15. Sean Alexander, TR-4 16. William Newman, GT-6 17.
John Hasty, TR-3 18. Bill Collings, Spit 19. Bob Lembke, "66 Triumph Mk 2
1147" - Spit I assume 20. Joe Hovey, Spit 21. Robert DeAnes, TR-4 22. Bill
Hart, Devin TR 23. Susan Kahler, Spit 24. John Hagen, TR-4 25. Henry Frye in
Bill Dentinger's TR-3 (what a nice thing for Bill to do!) 26. George Michael
Harmut, Spit 27. Bob Wismer, TR-4 28. Joseph Downer, TR-6 29. John Nikas in
Dennis Delap's TR-4 (what a nice thing for Dennis to do!) 30. John
Fridirici, TR-3 31. Jerry Barker, Spitfire

- Tony Drews

> Kastner Cup results?
>
> mjb.
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Apr 30 10:52:15 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:52:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Congrats to all at the Mitty/K-Cup
Message-ID: <1680098839.1692028.1335804735081.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Congratulations to all, it sounds like a great weekend except for some engine failures. 

Was the 2013 K-Cup Race location announced over the weekend ? 



jim g 


From triosan at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 10:52:15 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:52:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] K Cup '12 some Photos
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNC3x=JXxe=PNEAs8xqNPo6G2Gm+gQ0Y2+x+z7PcyAbSpQ@mail.gmail.com>

I took over a thousand -- will spend a week editing and arranging.  Thought
To post a few.  they are at:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737230335039145089
.

My favorrite was the father and son team of Quinn [son] and Leigh Derby
driving insanely fast spits.  They came in 4/5th respectively -- with dad
having the fastest time -- in the 1:49 range -- just spectacular.  Randy
not only drove the TR3's wheels off, he finished the K Cup and immediately
jumped into his E Jag for the next race.  Immaculately prepared and
presented cars.  He did pass Mike Munson a couple of times  -- nad Mike is
a great driver of an SCCA prepared TR6.  The 75 car [Newman Tribute]
unfortunately crashed had into a wall on the esses during the fist
practice.  The strat was spectacular and if Jerry Barker's Spit had held
together we would have had a different order of finish -- he is the white
one in the start picture and came from 8th or so to 2nd on the front
straight [maybe 3rd, did not see what happened between he and Munson going
up the hill after turn 1.

Much more reporting to come.  Wish I got to drive, but sure appreciate
Henry getting me a media pass so I could roam the track taking pictures.

Chuck ['69 TR6]

On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Clark W. Nicholls <cwnfot at gmail.com> wrote:

> John Hasty, TR-3, should get a "Hard Charger" or "most fun" award!
> He started at the rear since the grid was based on the morning Qualifying
> session only and his "let's try this" didn't work. He had a ball moving up.
>
> The event was great! Kudos to the FOT!
> I had a lot of fun chatting with the Slagles in particular and catching up
> from decades ago!
> Also great to see Dick Gilmartin since he left the Lime Rock area a few
> years ago.
> http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/DickGilmartin.htm
> And Jerry Barker, and Jim Reeves and ..... Wow!
> And of course the other usual suspects...
> Anyone see Ric Cline?
>
> Clark
> Clark W. Nicholls
> 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U)
> and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
> "Reality, it's not what you think."
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Race results:
> 1. Tony Garmey, 250K
> 2. Mike Munson, TR-6 (nice flames in the paint)
> 3. Randy Williams, TR-3
> 4. Quinn Derby, Spit
> 5. Leigh Derby, Spit
> 6. Mark Wheatley, TR-4
> 7. George Wright, TR-4
> 8. Tony Drews, TR-4
> 9. David Cizmas, TR-6
> 10. Jim Stouffer, TR-6
> 11. Bob Kramer, TR-4
> 12. Greg Blake, TR-3
> 13. Greg Kimbrough, Spit
> 14. Jason Ostrowski, GT-6
> 15. Sean Alexander, TR-4
> 16. William Newman, GT-6
> 17. John Hasty, TR-3
> 18. Bill Collings, Spit
> 19. Bob Lembke, "66 Triumph Mk 2 1147" - Spit I assume
> 20. Joe Hovey, Spit
> 21. Robert DeAnes, TR-4
> 22. Bill Hart, Devin TR
> 23. Susan Kahler, Spit
> 24. John Hagen, TR-4
> 25. Henry Frye in Bill Dentinger's TR-3 (what a nice thing for Bill to do!)
> 26. George Michael Harmut, Spit
> 27. Bob Wismer, TR-4
> 28. Joseph Downer, TR-6
> 29. John Nikas in Dennis Delap's TR-4 (what a nice thing for Dennis to do!)
> 30. John Fridirici, TR-3
> 31. Jerry Barker, Spitfire
>
> - Tony Drews
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-- 
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From jhd11 at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 30 11:48:31 2012
From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:48:31 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mitty Musings
Message-ID: <COL118-W506CBC5B9EDC1F2937B941A9280@phx.gbl>

     Just a quick note to say how much I enjoyed the weekend and a big Thank
You to all those that made it possible.  I really appreciate those people that
helped our team make this a possibility when they could have easily said you
are not welcome.  I hoped that we showed that we are just like everybody else
in the group...Triumph Racers!

     I need to say thanks to a couple of FOT members especially, Marty Sukey
and David Cizmas.  Without their willingness to help us with parts we did not
have, we would have been on the trailer for the race.  I am sure if I had
asked any other FOT member, the result would have been the same.  To me, this
is what racing is all about.  Gentleman, I hope to be able to return the favor
some day.  Also thanks to Ted Schumacher.

     Lastly, thanks to my team mates, Jack McGahey and Jamie Palmer and Kevin
Andrews.  I could not have done it without you!  Hopefully, next time we can
move up a little in the finishing order!

Joe Downer
Charlotte, N.C.
#0 TR6
RiffRAF Racing


From triosan at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 12:54:07 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:54:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] New link to FOT Mitty 12/Kas Cup sample photos
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNAbQa0Hqg-x8Nf6Q_WXD=R3O5af_-QFgUzuFv1B2baXHA@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry the first link did not work.  Pretty sure this one does:

https://plus.google.com/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737230335039145089?authkey=CN_L7IOOzO-PHg

someone let me know.

-- 
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Apr 30 13:08:04 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:08:04 +0200
Subject: [Fot] 2nd action on my rebuild engine....
In-Reply-To: <1335790323.25276.YahooMailClassic@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <000901cd26a3$38dffae0$aa9ff0a0$@com>
	<1335790323.25276.YahooMailClassic@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000701cd2704$9501fba0$bf05f2e0$@com>

Hi,

today I had the first roll out.
As there were some comments about my rude way of working the engineb&b&after
rolling out of town I gave on an uphill section full throttle in high gear to
force the engine to steam against the hill, rubbing the piston rings heavy to
the sleeves. Just to make them seat well. As I was occasionally far beyond the
allowed speed I provide this video from a more secret account:

https://plus.google.com/photos/102440903029299386312/albums/57055813641005425
13/5737262283241900450


Cheers
Chris


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Apr 30 13:44:31 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:44:31 +0200
Subject: [Fot] 2nd action on my rebuild engine....
References: <000901cd26a3$38dffae0$aa9ff0a0$@com>
	<1335790323.25276.YahooMailClassic@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <000801cd2709$ab4ab000$01e01000$@com>

Does this link work:

https://plus.google.com/102440903029299386312/videos



-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 30. April 2012 21:08
An: 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: 2nd action on my rebuild engine....

Hi,

today I had the first roll out.
As there were some comments about my rude way of working the engineb&b&after
rolling out of town I gave on an uphill section full throttle in high gear to
force the engine to steam against the hill, rubbing the piston rings heavy to
the sleeves. Just to make them seat well. As I was occasionally far beyond the
allowed speed I provide this video from a more secret account:

https://plus.google.com/photos/102440903029299386312/albums/57055813641005425
13/5737262283241900450


Cheers
Chris


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Apr 30 13:51:49 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:51:49 +0200
Subject: [Fot] 2nd action on my rebuild engine....
References: <000901cd26a3$38dffae0$aa9ff0a0$@com>
	<1335790323.25276.YahooMailClassic@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>  
Message-ID: <000901cd270a$b1f397e0$15dac7a0$@com>

These google accounts doesn't work properly.

http://youtu.be/5K-CHgyHNoE



-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 30. April 2012 21:45
An: 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: AW: 2nd action on my rebuild engine....

Does this link work:

https://plus.google.com/102440903029299386312/videos



-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 30. April 2012 21:08
An: 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: 2nd action on my rebuild engine....

Hi,

today I had the first roll out.
As there were some comments about my rude way of working the engineb&b&after
rolling out of town I gave on an uphill section full throttle in high gear to
force the engine to steam against the hill, rubbing the piston rings heavy to
the sleeves. Just to make them seat well. As I was occasionally far beyond the
allowed speed I provide this video from a more secret account:

https://plus.google.com/photos/102440903029299386312/albums/57055813641005425
13/5737262283241900450


Cheers
Chris


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Apr 30 14:05:15 2012
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:05:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] New link to FOT Mitty 12/Kas Cup sample photos
References: <CAMc4sNAbQa0Hqg-x8Nf6Q_WXD=R3O5af_-QFgUzuFv1B2baXHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FE716AF837994A7BB7D8CA09FFA46D7D@Charly>

It works!
Charly Mitchel
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" <triosan at gmail.com>
To: "Friends" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 11:54 AM
Subject: [Fot] New link to FOT Mitty 12/Kas Cup sample photos


> Sorry the first link did not work.  Pretty sure this one does:
>
> https://plus.google.com/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737230335039145089?authkey=CN_L7IOOzO-PHg
>
> someone let me know.
>
> -- 
> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Apr 30 14:15:39 2012
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:15:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] New link to FOT Mitty 12/Kas Cup sample photos
In-Reply-To: <CAMc4sNAbQa0Hqg-x8Nf6Q_WXD=R3O5af_-QFgUzuFv1B2baXHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <428952370.1517776.1335816939820.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Beautiful shots, Chuck. 
Can hardly wait to see more. 
Thanks for taking and posting them. 
Dave H. 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" <triosan at gmail.com> 
To: "Friends" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 11:54:07 AM 
Subject: [Fot] New link to FOT Mitty 12/Kas Cup sample photos 

Sorry the first link did not work. Pretty sure this one does: 

https://plus.google.com/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737230335039145089?authkey=CN_L7IOOzO-PHg 

someone let me know. 

-- 
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley 
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From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Apr 30 16:47:18 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:47:18 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
Message-ID: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>

I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.

Never be beaten by equipment


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Apr 30 17:24:23 2012
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:24:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
References: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D8DBF58FDA3949A58A04534B96E633AC@Charly>

2nd.
Charly Mitchel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>; "Suzanne Winters" <sarcee at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 3:47 PM
Subject: [Fot] Nimination


>I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
> TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's 
> crazy
> too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great 
> expertise.
> I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
> girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and 
> stuff.
>
> Never be beaten by equipment
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Mon Apr 30 17:27:47 2012
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:27:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F9F1FF3.6060902@141.com>

SECOND!!!!!!!!!!!!! We can certainly use another crazy-about-Triumphs 
lady on here!   :D

And thanks for the great job with Kas' web site, Suzanne! Welcome to the 
list!

Keep Triumphing,

Susan      :)


On 4/30/2012 6:47 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:
> I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
> TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
> too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
> I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
> girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.
>
> Never be beaten by equipment
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From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Mon Apr 30 17:27:23 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:27:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3C6B@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

Any friend of Kas is in. Seconded!

Edward Dunn

Quality Fuel Trailer & Tank, Inc.
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San Marcos, CA 92078

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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Kas Kastner
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 3:47 PM
To: fot; Suzanne Winters
Subject: [Fot] Nimination

I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.

Never be beaten by equipment
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From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 30 17:34:45 2012
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?dHlsZXJwdGhvbXBzb25AeWFob28uY29t?=)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:34:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Nimination?=
Message-ID: <550559.87359.bm@smtp220.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Definitely.  If she is your pal, she must be a Triumph nut.  

Ty

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>, "Suzanne Winters" <sarcee at gmail.com>
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
Date: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 4:47 pm


I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.

Never be beaten by equipment
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Mon Apr 30 17:34:21 2012
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:34:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F9F217D.60706@cfl.rr.com>

A second here!!

Bob Davis

On 4/30/12 6:47 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:
> I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
> TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
> too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
> I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
> girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.
>
> Never be beaten by equipment
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 30 17:53:25 2012
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:53:25 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
Message-ID: <987744.1335830005939.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I second the nomination.  Welcome Suzanne.

~Steve Belfer


-----Original Message-----
>From: Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>
>Sent: Apr 30, 2012 3:47 PM
>To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>, Suzanne Winters <sarcee at gmail.com>
>Subject: [Fot] Nimination
>
>I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
>TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
>too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
>I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
>girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.
>
>Never be beaten by equipment
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Apr 30 18:12:41 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:12:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E62CF20A-B705-462A-A0F0-CAB0E4D36000@gdhs.com>

Sure if she meets your goals must be a great addition.  Nice chatting with you
Sat.  Great choice for the cup....

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:47 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:

> I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
> TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's
crazy
> too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great
expertise.
> I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
> girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and
stuff.
>
> Never be beaten by equipment
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Apr 30 18:26:59 2012
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:26:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <086501cd2731$1fe82240$5fb866c0$@rr.com>

> By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and
> stuff.

Never let someone drive you nuts, when you know it's within walking
distance!

Welcome to the asylum, Suzanne!

-- Randall 


From gasket.works at gte.net  Mon Apr 30 19:10:06 2012
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 01:10:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
Message-ID: <1676352936-1335834611-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-783813515-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry>

Just have to play on the alliteration.  

As nominations go Suzanne's nimination is a perfect fit to our fot.

M
------Original Message------
From: Kas
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: FOT
To: Suzanne Winters
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
Sent: Apr 30, 2012 3:47 PM

I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.

Never be beaten by equipment
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Apr 30 19:45:58 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:45:58 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F9F4056.3030401@bradakis.com>

Kas Kastner wrote:
> I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
> TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
> too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
> I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
> girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.
>
>

Okay, she's on the list.  And as an editor for various newsletters
over the years I can relate to the efforts involved in getting
timely content out of folks!

mjb.


From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Apr 30 21:17:47 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:17:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] New link to FOT Mitty 12/Kas Cup sample photos
In-Reply-To: <428952370.1517776.1335816939820.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <428952370.1517776.1335816939820.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4F9F55DB.4070600@bradakis.com>

Nice pics.  I put up the photo of the start and just sat and looked at 
it for
a while, thinking of all sorts of things Triumph, like what a great group of
people we have.

Thank you all for being who you are.

mjb.


From igofaster at att.net  Sun Apr  1 17:32:46 2012
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 16:32:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spit engine progress
In-Reply-To: <49CD7D2720FA45009CF9B8DFDFF77501@bkolnzPC>
References: <49CD7D2720FA45009CF9B8DFDFF77501@bkolnzPC>
Message-ID: <1333323166.84043.YahooMailRC@web180804.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

After the weekend at TWS and nothing blowing up, I came home and wrestled the 
oil leak on the front of the car. Machine shop had stripped out one of the 
mounting bolts of my alloy plate. I had another ARE engine plate which I 
installed. The front seal mount was also a bit out of being flush with the bare 
engine front so I tapped it back into position and mounted the timing cover and 
front ancillaries back into position. Still a small leak from the timing cover 
but after pulling all that stuff off and on twice, I can live with a small drip 
for now. 

I also found some more jets for the Mikuni's (sp) and I've taken the GT6 back up 
to Pinnacle Motorsports at ECR for a few more dyno runs and fine tuning. Gregg 
Rodgers wanted to add about 4" to the steering column to bring the steering 
wheel closer to me. The Kirkey seat sets real high in my arm pits and I'm 
bruising after a weekend in that area. My belts are up this year and Gregg 
recommended a nice set of the Schroth 5 point harness set up... can't wait.... I 
want to bring up my Miata for track day at Cresson MSR on the 14th... ready , 
set , GO!
    Bobby Whitehead
#39 DP Triumph GT-6+




________________________________
From: William Collins <bkolnz at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Spit engine progress

 
Hey Gang,
 
Looks like I'm on track for the 14th track day  at MSR,,, and then the 
Mitty.       Hovman and I  have been spending a few hours during the week 
bringing along the build in a  concise and accurate pace.   I'm thinking a start 
up next  week-end,  and if good,   odds and ends for until the  14th.    

 
Any news from U's guys?
 
Bill


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Sun Apr  1 20:49:27 2012
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 21:49:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Cracked Head, can it be repaired?
Message-ID: <000001cd107b$38d41f60$aa7c5e20$@com>

I forgot to hit "Reply All".  I was curious on comments from the list
regarding the power loss due to not porting the inlet and exhausts versus
doing the work on the combustion chambers after having the head milled.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Murphy [mailto:timmurph at fastbytes.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:24 PM
To: 'Tony Drews'
Subject: RE: [Fot] Cracked Head, can it be repaired?

Is there a water passage right above that part of the head and if so about
how thick is the material in that area to be welded?  If it's pretty thin in
that area due to milling the head I'd think it'd be a pretty tough job
welding it up.  Sort of like trying to weld or braze sheet metal when it's
partially rusted and not much metal left I'd think.

Tim

P.S. I've been looking at our spare heads and the intake ports all look
pretty smooth.  The exhaust ports are rougher on the surface but no big
protrusions of "slag" from casting in them. Just milling a head, and
grinding the valves, if the seats are good, and I'd think you could get by
for the Mitty.  I don't know how much power it would cost you by not doing
the full porting job but at least you could do the Mitty.  It would seem
that the work in the combustion chamber per Kas's books would be more
important than the porting, but that's just a really uninformed guess on my
part!  I'm sure there are others on the list that can better comment on
that.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tony Drews
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 5:17 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Cracked Head, can it be repaired?

I found the source of my "head gasket" leaks - a cracked head.  It's 
cracked around the inner circumference of where it meets the liner in 
#4 cylinder.

Picture is here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/2012_0331Head_Crack0007.JPG

Is this something that can be fixed, or should I start brushing up on 
my head porting techniques and build another head?

Thanks, Tony Drews
Hoping to make the Mitty still...
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Apr  2 01:14:55 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 09:14:55 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Cracked Head, can it be repaired?
In-Reply-To: <20120331223505.0477F2D08D0@autox.team.net>
References: <20120331223505.0477F2D08D0@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000601cd10a0$50c67e90$f2537bb0$@com>

I would say this spot is a dangerous area.
If any welding is done it might not help and the whole deck could collapse
and would ruin your whole engine.
If it were me I would move on to a new head.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Tony Drews
Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. April 2012 00:17
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Cracked Head, can it be repaired?

I found the source of my "head gasket" leaks - a cracked head.  It's
cracked around the inner circumference of where it meets the liner in
#4 cylinder.

Picture is here:
http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/2012_0331Head_Crack0007.JPG

Is this something that can be fixed, or should I start brushing up on
my head porting techniques and build another head?

Thanks, Tony Drews
Hoping to make the Mitty still...
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From craigl at leinickegroup.com  Mon Apr  2 13:01:59 2012
From: craigl at leinickegroup.com (Craig Leinicke)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:01:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dyno Results
Message-ID: <CB9F61D7.C279%craigl@leinickegroup.com>

I finally came up with 4 pistons and eight valves that were happy together
and put my TR7 Land Speed Car on the chassis dyno at Carma Performance in
Nashville, TN. The car made 103 rear wheel HP on the first pull.
After re-jetting the webers and adjusting the timing the car made 108.2 HP
at the rear wheels and 120ft. lbs of torque between 3750 and 4250 rpm.

I hope to post video and print outs of the test soon.
My question is... With these numbers in hand... What would the engine be
making at the flywheel?

Thanks in Advance
Craig Leinicke
Flashback Racing


From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Mon Apr  2 13:26:41 2012
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:26:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dyno Results
Message-ID: <380-22012412192641448@M2W119.mail2web.com>

Hi Craig,

I have always heard 12-15% loss from flywheel to rear tires for manuals and
17-20% loss for automatics is generally the rule of thumb. But there are
much more educated folks out there who will hopefully give you some more
specific info!

Congrats on the completion and the output! Sounds great!   :D

Keep Triumphing,
Susan     :)



Original Message:
-----------------
From: Craig Leinicke craigl at leinickegroup.com
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 14:01:59 -0500
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dyno Results


I finally came up with 4 pistons and eight valves that were happy together
and put my TR7 Land Speed Car on the chassis dyno at Carma Performance in
Nashville, TN. The car made 103 rear wheel HP on the first pull.
After re-jetting the webers and adjusting the timing the car made 108.2 HP
at the rear wheels and 120ft. lbs of torque between 3750 and 4250 rpm.

I hope to post video and print outs of the test soon.
My question is... With these numbers in hand... What would the engine be
making at the flywheel?

Thanks in Advance
Craig Leinicke
Flashback Racing
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From harmug at us.ibm.com  Mon Apr  2 14:30:41 2012
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 16:30:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Camber
Message-ID: <OFD60E0588.AD3743F7-ON852579D4.00703B87-852579D4.0070ADFF@us.ibm.com>

I was sent a few links today, one that ties in nicely with the rear
suspension thread from the weekend.

I signed up for a free series of video lectures, Safe is Fast, from Bobby
Rahal. They just came out with some new ones, the first is basic chassis
setup and a second one on cockpit design and layout. They're by race
engineers and drivers, interesting insights and solid information.

 One side fact I found interesting in the cockpit vid. For years at the
Rolex, I always saw a blue light from the cockpits of the Prototype cars. I
thought it was some kind pilot light, maybe fire system is armed, on the
rear firewall. It turns out it's a blacklight that's used to illuminate the
fluorescent tape switch labels on the dash at night and not ruin the
drivers night vision.

http://safeisfast.com/sections/8-race-car-systems-and-dynamics/videos/30-basic-chassis-set-up-1

http://safeisfast.com/sections/8-race-car-systems-and-dynamics/videos/28-cockpit-management

mike h

63 spit, almost ready for the mitty


From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Apr  2 15:28:32 2012
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:28:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dyno Results
In-Reply-To: <CB9F61D7.C279%craigl@leinickegroup.com>
References: <CB9F61D7.C279%craigl@leinickegroup.com>
Message-ID: <BAY164-ds1421AEE6515AD92BE64D6EC34C0@phx.gbl>

Add roughly 15%

Terry Stetler
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Craig Leinicke<mailto:craigl at leinickegroup.com>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 3:01 PM
  Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dyno Results


  I finally came up with 4 pistons and eight valves that were happy together
  and put my TR7 Land Speed Car on the chassis dyno at Carma Performance in
  Nashville, TN. The car made 103 rear wheel HP on the first pull.
  After re-jetting the webers and adjusting the timing the car made 108.2 HP
  at the rear wheels and 120ft. lbs of torque between 3750 and 4250 rpm.

  I hope to post video and print outs of the test soon.
  My question is... With these numbers in hand... What would the engine be
  making at the flywheel?

  Thanks in Advance
  Craig Leinicke
  Flashback Racing
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Mon Apr  2 15:59:21 2012
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 16:59:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance
Message-ID: <000501cd111b$dca19aa0$95e4cfe0$@com>

I took our head up to a machine shop in Appleton, WI to have it checked for
cracks and primarily to get the valves ground.  Here is what the machinist
has reported to me:

 

Intake valve guides a little loose                Intake valve stems okay

 

Exhaust valve guides okay                           Exhaust valves about
0.001 wear on the stem

 

The intake valves are a nice fit into the exhaust guides.  This is not the
usual type of wear he sees on the more common (Chevy and Ford V-8's) that he
works on.

 

Question:  What is the "normal" clearance valve stem to valve guide for the
TR4 engine when used for racing?  To put it another way, can we run the
engine with the intake guides loose and the 0.001 wear on the exhaust valve
stems?  And, is this the usual wear pattern on the TR4 engine?

 

 We are running a stock crank with stock rods, all balanced, and forged
WISECO pistons with 87 mm liners from Ken Gilanders.  We try to keep to a
5500 RPM redline with occasional use of 6000 for overtaking.  For what it's
worth we have a 4.3 rear end and overdrive.

 

I recall a discussion on the list some time ago regarding different
materials being used for guides and a problem with getting the proper
clearance.  As I recall, a number of folks were using these guides and
unfortunately had valves get stuck with somewhat disastrous results.  I
think the guides were bronze or some alloy with bronze in it.  I don't
recall any discussion on clearance for stock valves and stock guides.  My
gut feel is that I'd rather have the guides/valves a little loose than have
a valve stick and destroy the head and maybe the rest of the engine.

 

Thanks for your help,

 

Tim & Ryan Murphy

1961 TR4  #317


From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Apr  2 16:47:07 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 16:47:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR7 Dyno Results
In-Reply-To: <BAY164-ds1421AEE6515AD92BE64D6EC34C0@phx.gbl>
References: <CB9F61D7.C279%craigl@leinickegroup.com>
	<BAY164-ds1421AEE6515AD92BE64D6EC34C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F7A2C6B.9090402@bradakis.com>

 > I finally came up with 4 pistons and eight valves that were happy 
together
 > and put my TR7 Land Speed Car on the chassis dyno

Are you aware of land-speed at autox.team.net ?

mjb.


From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Mon Apr  2 19:10:50 2012
From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 18:10:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance
References: <000501cd111b$dca19aa0$95e4cfe0$@com>
Message-ID: <72AA3E0F4364462788E8C6A6FACEE4E8@TER2>

For stock cast iron guides the clearances listed in the shop manual are 
fine. .0015 to .002" inlet and ..002 to .0025" on the exhaust. The engine 
should run ok sith up to .0015" additional clearance on each valve.  The 
problem that we have found with the iron guides is when using a high lift, 
fast acting racing cam, with additional spring pressure, The guides tend to 
wear very fast. We found up to .004" wear in 4 or 5 race weekends. Then the 
valves stop sealing as well and the engine looses power.
    It does not sound like you have a setup that required a better quality 
guide. Don't use valve stem seals and keep an eye on the wear as time 
passes.
                                                                             
                                        Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <rpm724 at att.net>; <ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 2:59 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance


>I took our head up to a machine shop in Appleton, WI to have it checked for
> cracks and primarily to get the valves ground.  Here is what the machinist
> has reported to me:
>
>
>
> Intake valve guides a little loose                Intake valve stems okay
>
>
>
> Exhaust valve guides okay                           Exhaust valves about
> 0.001 wear on the stem
>
>
>
> The intake valves are a nice fit into the exhaust guides.  This is not the
> usual type of wear he sees on the more common (Chevy and Ford V-8's) that 
> he
> works on.
>
>
>
> Question:  What is the "normal" clearance valve stem to valve guide for 
> the
> TR4 engine when used for racing?  To put it another way, can we run the
> engine with the intake guides loose and the 0.001 wear on the exhaust 
> valve
> stems?  And, is this the usual wear pattern on the TR4 engine?
>
>
>
> We are running a stock crank with stock rods, all balanced, and forged
> WISECO pistons with 87 mm liners from Ken Gilanders.  We try to keep to a
> 5500 RPM redline with occasional use of 6000 for overtaking.  For what 
> it's
> worth we have a 4.3 rear end and overdrive.
>
>
>
> I recall a discussion on the list some time ago regarding different
> materials being used for guides and a problem with getting the proper
> clearance.  As I recall, a number of folks were using these guides and
> unfortunately had valves get stuck with somewhat disastrous results.  I
> think the guides were bronze or some alloy with bronze in it.  I don't
> recall any discussion on clearance for stock valves and stock guides.  My
> gut feel is that I'd rather have the guides/valves a little loose than 
> have
> a valve stick and destroy the head and maybe the rest of the engine.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
>
>
> Tim & Ryan Murphy
>
> 1961 TR4  #317
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From Jfrymark at aol.com  Tue Apr  3 12:05:06 2012
From: Jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:05:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VARA High Desert Challenge races
Message-ID: <4C206392-9379-41BC-A487-18E2B10EAEA4@aol.com>

The lower West Coast FoT racers had a good turnout for the VARA race  
last weekend at Willow Springs International Raceway. Thanks to  
sponsorship by Joe Siam of Chequered Flag  Racing, and John Wilkins,  
an All-Triumph race was held on Saturday marking the 60th Anniversary  
of TR and the 50th of the Spitfire. We had 13 entries (6 Spits mostly/ 
all? from Joe's stable) with Gary Shuman taking top honors. Kas  
Kastner and Peggy were there to congratulate the drivers.

Sunday started windy, but nice, and I took my new GoPro out and played  
camera car during our untimed morning practice session getting good  
clips of Steve Belfer, Mordy Dunst, and Paul Smock at speed. I posted  
video at:

http://youtu.be/OZw_RJA4Hsc

Sunday's Group 1 flag race was crazy with spinning cars and an  
unfortunate early ending due to an accident that involved TR driver  
Frank Daley. Frank was following me when the Morgan that spun on lap 4  
cut back across track narrowly missing me but Frank "T-boned" it.  
Thankfully nobody was hurt, but Frank's TR4 and the Morgan were  
heavily damaged. I posted video at:

http://youtu.be/EeY7ejloymk

John Frymark
VARA DP #67 TR4A


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Tue Apr  3 20:20:48 2012
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 21:20:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Valve guides
Message-ID: <000001cd1209$8ed87b10$ac897130$@com>

Thanks to all who responded to my questions regarding valve guides and
clearances.  I just realized that we had 17 race weekends on that cylinder
head!  I'm just learning at what point various things like valve grinds and
guide replacement should be done.  Based on what we're seeing so far, doing
the valves every 8 or 9 races should work for us.  We also had a hole burned
in the head gasket where the shroud was cut away around the inlet valve on
#2 cylinder.  So a new head gasket every 8 or 9 races should hopefully solve
that problem also.  The head gasket had 11 race weekends on it.

      The machinist has checked the ID of the guides and from what he has
told me so far we will replace all of the guides.  I'm going up to meet with
him later this week and we'll determine what else has to be done, such as
replace some of the valves that have worn stems.  We do have a spare stock
head with the stock valves and I'm thinking of maybe using some of those if
need be and they clean up okay.  Is there any benefit to using currently
available valves over the original Triumph valves?

      Now that I've got a machinist and shop who I trust and can work with,
doing the periodic renewing shouldn't be a problem.

 

Thanks again, the FOT is great!!

 

Tim Murphy

1961 TR4 #317

 

-----Original Message-----

From: Greg Solow [mailto:Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com]

Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:11 PM

To: Tim Murphy; fot at autox.team.net

Cc: rpm724 at att.net; ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov

Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance

 

For stock cast iron guides the clearances listed in the shop manual are
fine. .0015 to .002" inlet and ..002 to .0025" on the exhaust. The engine
should run ok with up to .0015" additional clearance on each valve.  The
problem that we have found with the iron guides is when using a high lift,
fast acting racing cam, with additional spring pressure, The guides tend to
wear very fast. We found up to .004" wear in 4 or 5 race weekends. Then the
valves stop sealing as well and the engine looses power.

    It does not sound like you have a setup that required a better quality
guide. Don't use valve stem seals and keep an eye on the wear as time
passes.

 


                                        Greg Solow


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Apr  3 20:41:30 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 21:41:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Cracked Head, can it be repaired?
In-Reply-To: <20120331223447.D11E02D08FC@autox.team.net>
References: <20120331223447.D11E02D08FC@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.59.1638252568.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

Just a quick update on this.  The machine shop says they can get one 
of my stock spares prepared in time for the Mitty.  It won't have the 
demon uncle jack porting, we'll see how much difference that 
makes.  It's also not going to be milled quite as far, that should 
help its longevity.

Looks like the Mitty is still in sight!

Thanks to everyone for the generous advice and other offers, you guys 
are the best!

Cheers, Tony Drews

At 05:16 PM 3/31/2012, Tony Drews wrote:
>I found the source of my "head gasket" leaks - a cracked head.  It's 
>cracked around the inner circumference of where it meets the liner 
>in #4 cylinder.
>
>Picture is here:
>http://www.tonydrews.com/Test%20Pics/2012_0331Head_Crack0007.JPG
>
>Is this something that can be fixed, or should I start brushing up 
>on my head porting techniques and build another head?
>
>Thanks, Tony Drews
>Hoping to make the Mitty still...


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Apr  4 08:11:09 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 10:11:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] ATTN:  SPITFIRES AND GT6s at THE MITTY
Message-ID: <8CEE083EB4B13A5-1C0C-75DD@webmail-d034.sysops.aol.com>

 FOT:

I have been in contact with the editor and publisher of the lively little
magazine  "SPITFIRES AND GT6s".

The publisher and photographers are planning to come to THE MITTY with an eye
toward a major article. I presume that there will be a special focus on our
Spitfire and GT6 entries.

Forthcoming, in the magazine, is an article on the ANNIVERSARY of the
Spitfire.

Additionally, there will be coverage on Kas Kastner's TRIUMPHS.

Then, in a future issue will be coverage on THE MITTY.

Here is your chance for 15 minutes of fame.....we have some interesting
Spitfire and GT6 characters. This could be fun.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Apr  4 12:42:12 2012
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 18:42:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 wrist pins needed
Message-ID: <472387040.455357.1333564932238.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hello FoT, 
I'm in need of a set of wrist pins for my TR3/4 motor build. The pistons are AE cast 87mm and actually there is only one pin that is not usable, but I'd be interested in an unused set if anyone happened to have them sitting around that they don't need. As new and unused is important. 
I'll be at The Mitty for the fun of it and as support where needed. See y'all there. 
Dave H. 
831-234-4928 


From igofaster at att.net  Wed Apr  4 18:13:07 2012
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:13:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Velocity channel Wheeler Dealer
Message-ID: <1333584787.94605.YahooMailRC@web180810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The Triumph Spitfire is featured tonight on Wheeler Dealer on the Velocity 
Channel tonight. Two episodes. Apologies if this is redundant.   


Bobby Whitehead


From gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com  Thu Apr  5 13:36:37 2012
From: gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com (Gary Hunter)
Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:36:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Need photo Jerry Barker 1500 Spitfire
Message-ID: <DE45246F-CBAB-449D-84F3-95C951C74388@grassrootsmotorsports.com>

We need a High Resolution photo of Jerry Barker's 1500 Spitfire that  
is coming to the Mitty.   We are trying to make the Mitty program as  
TR awesome as it can be .  Thanks for any help in making this  
happen .  TRs - DRIVE 'EM  -  DON'T  HIDE 'EM   Cheers gary
Gary Hunter
Reader Services
Grassroots Motorsports / Classic Motorsports
gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com
386-239-0523


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Apr  6 00:14:07 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 02:14:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY     TRIUMPH PARTS EXCHANGE     MARV GRUBER COMING
Message-ID: <8CEE1D39BD49047-A84-1211F@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com>

 Marv Gruber was invited to come to the MITTY.

He has been supplying the FOT with Triumph parts for a number of years and is
only a couple of hours away from ROAD ATLANTA. He will be coming in on Friday
and leaving on Sunday.

He has a huge stash of British components on his parents farm. If any one
needs some big stuff, like engine blocks and axles he will drive his truck
in.

MGruber921 at aol.com



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Fri Apr  6 05:24:44 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 07:24:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] In the Mitty Paddock
Message-ID: <688FCD703218408BB06B52F3BF463EEC@TRIUMPH.local>

For those of us Vintage Racers that typically run club events, I want to 
remind everybody that the Mitty is a Festival style event, and all parties 
involved have been doing everything in their power to get the public to come 
to see the show. The public is encouraged to walk around the paddocks, and 
Classic Motorsports will be doing organized paddock tours to educate folks 
on what they are looking at.

We have been asked to make up and display a posterboard telling the world 
all the special things they need to know about your race car. While 
certainly not manditory, it would be a nice way to give a little back to our 
friends at Classic Motorsports for all the effort they are going through.

Thanks gang!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 


From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri Apr  6 09:43:59 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 11:43:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] In the Mitty Paddock
Message-ID: <2d80c.2f980b11.3cb0693f@aol.com>

In a message dated 04/06/2012 7:20:13 AM Central Daylight Time, 
yellow04 at tr4racer.com writes:


> We have been asked to make up and display a posterboard telling the world 
> 
> all the special things they need to know about your race car. While 
> certainly not manditory, it would be a nice way to give a little back to 
> our 
> friends at Classic Motorsports for all the effort they are going through.
> 

Henry...

And am I correct that in keeping with past practice, it is OK to lie.

Bill (Damdinger)


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Fri Apr  6 10:03:10 2012
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 12:03:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Parts, etc.  at Mitty Vintage Race
Message-ID: <4F7F13BE.6070008@bright.net>

Good morning List. Some items of interest. Mike Cook, author of several 
TR books, longtime Triumph, British Leyland and Jaguar PR person and all 
around very knowledgeable good guy will be joining us. Mike will be 
wandering around shooting pictures, renewing old acquaintances and 
meeting new friends.  Mike is a very valuable resource to the Triumph 
community.  He was there when it started, including the US Competition 
Department.  Mike will be available at our booth several times during 
the week-end. Stop by and see Mike. Find out what it was really like "in 
the day" from one who was there from the start.  Bring your questions.

Also joining us, all the way from the UK, are John & Susanne Clancy.  
John is a videographer who has produced several Triumph DVD's. These 
will be available at our booth. The series of Triumph DVDs came about as 
a result of John Clancy's long term project to make a documentary of the 
history of the TR7 and TR8 series of cars.  When initially released in 
2007 it proved to be so popular the initial batch of pressed discs sold 
out within six months.  As a result further Triumph productions were 
undertaken -- first of all the Triumph Stag, then the Spitfire and GT6, 
the traditional TRs, the pre-war cars and others.  Currently a complete 
Triumph history is being compiled focusing on the saloon (sedan) models 
issued by the company plus 'California Air' featuring Kas Kastner and 
the US competitions department - this release is why John and his wife 
Susanne will be attending the Mitty at the end of the month to film some 
of the cars to help illustrate the story of why Triumph was so 
successful in America.
John has interviewed many former Standard-Triumph engineering and 
styling personnel and you will find many of these appear within each of 
the DVDs.  No one else currently making classic car documentaries goes 
into so much detail which makes these Triumph collectibles fairly unique 
and as time goes on we expect them to become quite historic in their own 
right.
Further details and previews of each title can be seen at 
www.triumphdvd.co.uk

We will be at the Mitty with our vendor trailer with both parts and 
regalia. We will have our gear reductions starters, steel braid brake 
hoses, suspension parts, rebuilt calipers,  etc.  If anyone needs "heavy 
items" - heads, gearboxes, engines, etc, we can bring these along - free 
freight is good!  Please let me know any requests as soon as possible so 
we can be sure to get it loaded. Our vendor trailer - white, flip open 
sides, along with an EZ-Up tent will be up on the hill in vendor area.

FOT and Kastner Cup shirts can be picked up at the trailer. Please try 
and pick up your shirts by Saturday afternoon.  Not sure what time we 
will be packing on Sunday to leave.  At the event you can reach me on my 
mobile - 419/230-9008. Mobile does not work in our building so please 
use any of the numbers listed on the signature line of this email for 
orders.

Thanks for your time and support. Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US&  Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Fri Apr  6 11:02:28 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 13:02:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] In the Mitty Paddock
References: <2d80c.2f980b11.3cb0693f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F6BA574EA2544BA4B84951E93AAB0685@TRIUMPH.local>

Last time I checked, lying is encouraged!

;-)

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: BillDentin at aol.com
  To: yellow04 at tr4racer.com ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 11:43 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] In the Mitty Paddock


  In a message dated 04/06/2012 7:20:13 AM Central Daylight Time,
yellow04 at tr4racer.com writes:



    We have been asked to make up and display a posterboard telling the world
    all the special things they need to know about your race car. While
    certainly not manditory, it would be a nice way to give a little back to
our
    friends at Classic Motorsports for all the effort they are going through.



  Henry...

  And am I correct that in keeping with past practice, it is OK to lie.

  Bill (Damdinger)


From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Apr  6 17:00:24 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 17:00:24 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Golly Gosh Darn
Message-ID: <4F7F7588.6070101@bradakis.com>

Due to some changing circumstances in my life, it looks like
there is a very good chance I will *not* be at the Mitty.

Drat.

mjb.


From cwnfot at gmail.com  Fri Apr  6 17:50:52 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 19:50:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Golly Gosh Darn
In-Reply-To: <4F7F7588.6070101@bradakis.com>
References: <4F7F7588.6070101@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <00be01cd1450$1a479350$4ed6b9f0$@com>

Hi Mark,

I disagree with the "very good" part of that message!
I hope you are pleasantly surprised and we'll see you at the Mitty!

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
"Reality, it's not what you think."


From rjl at gt-classics.com  Fri Apr  6 20:59:16 2012
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 22:59:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Parts, etc.  at Mitty Vintage Race
In-Reply-To: <4F7F13BE.6070008@bright.net>
References: <4F7F13BE.6070008@bright.net>
Message-ID: <4F7FAD84.5020407@gt-classics.com>

FWIW, I looked at the website, and it would appear that he only sells
DVDs in PAL format, so those of us in North America won't be able
to view them (unless you have a DVD player that will play PAL discs,
of course).  Some of them look interesting, though, so that's a shame.

John

On 4/6/2012 12:03 PM, Ted Schumacher wrote:
> Good morning List. Some items of interest. Mike Cook, author of several
> TR books, longtime Triumph, British Leyland and Jaguar PR person and all
> around very knowledgeable good guy will be joining us. Mike will be
> wandering around shooting pictures, renewing old acquaintances and
> meeting new friends.  Mike is a very valuable resource to the Triumph
> community.  He was there when it started, including the US Competition
> Department.  Mike will be available at our booth several times during
> the week-end. Stop by and see Mike. Find out what it was really like "in
> the day" from one who was there from the start.  Bring your questions.
>
> Also joining us, all the way from the UK, are John&  Susanne Clancy.
> John is a videographer who has produced several Triumph DVD's. These
> will be available at our booth. The series of Triumph DVDs came about as
> a result of John Clancy's long term project to make a documentary of the
> history of the TR7 and TR8 series of cars.  When initially released in
> 2007 it proved to be so popular the initial batch of pressed discs sold
> out within six months.  As a result further Triumph productions were
> undertaken -- first of all the Triumph Stag, then the Spitfire and GT6,
> the traditional TRs, the pre-war cars and others.  Currently a complete
> Triumph history is being compiled focusing on the saloon (sedan) models
> issued by the company plus 'California Air' featuring Kas Kastner and
> the US competitions department - this release is why John and his wife
> Susanne will be attending the Mitty at the end of the month to film some
> of the cars to help illustrate the story of why Triumph was so
> successful in America.
> John has interviewed many former Standard-Triumph engineering and
> styling personnel and you will find many of these appear within each of
> the DVDs.  No one else currently making classic car documentaries goes
> into so much detail which makes these Triumph collectibles fairly unique
> and as time goes on we expect them to become quite historic in their own
> right.
> Further details and previews of each title can be seen at
> www.triumphdvd.co.uk
>
> We will be at the Mitty with our vendor trailer with both parts and
> regalia. We will have our gear reductions starters, steel braid brake
> hoses, suspension parts, rebuilt calipers,  etc.  If anyone needs "heavy
> items" - heads, gearboxes, engines, etc, we can bring these along - free
> freight is good!  Please let me know any requests as soon as possible so
> we can be sure to get it loaded. Our vendor trailer - white, flip open
> sides, along with an EZ-Up tent will be up on the hill in vendor area.
>
> FOT and Kastner Cup shirts can be picked up at the trailer. Please try
> and pick up your shirts by Saturday afternoon.  Not sure what time we
> will be packing on Sunday to leave.  At the event you can reach me on my
> mobile - 419/230-9008. Mobile does not work in our building so please
> use any of the numbers listed on the signature line of this email for
> orders.
>
> Thanks for your time and support. Ted
>
>    

-- 
Thanks,
R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Sat Apr  7 04:08:16 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 06:08:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mitty entry list posted
Message-ID: <32AC971BC8224376A7D31B245966743B@TRIUMPH.local>

HSR has finally put up the Mitty entry list, that is one strong field!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 


From cwnfot at gmail.com  Sat Apr  7 07:25:36 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 09:25:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mitty entry list posted
In-Reply-To: <32AC971BC8224376A7D31B245966743B@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <32AC971BC8224376A7D31B245966743B@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <001201cd14c1$eb8d6bd0$c2a84370$@com>

http://hsrrace.com/2012_Events/3_Mitty_Apr_26_29/Event_Info/Entry_List.pdf 


Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
"Reality, it's not what you think."


From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sat Apr  7 18:38:01 2012
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 17:38:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 for sale (not mine)
In-Reply-To: <C5CB5B3A-78CC-450E-A4CB-FCDAC8AD83D1@sonic.net>
References: <C5CB5B3A-78CC-450E-A4CB-FCDAC8AD83D1@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <4F80DDE9.2010408@gmail.com>

I just received this email about a TR3 that has come up for sale.

If you are interested contact Frans directly at Frans Smith 
<frans1 at sonic.net>

Teriann

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Triumph
Date: 	Sat, 7 Apr 2012 17:09:48 -0700
From: 	Frans Smith <frans1 at sonic.net>
To: 	TeriAnn Wakeman <twakeman at razzolink.com>, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" 
<tjwakeman at gmail.com>



Dear TeriAnn,
I have communicated off and on with you regarding my series 2 land
rover 109. I also am on the mendo list. Anyhow, I have a customer/
friend who liked to mess around with old british cars. He just had a
fairly major heart attack. In his garage is a nearly complete 1957 TR3
'small mouth'. He has a garage full of spare parts (literally) for it.
The entire drivetrain/brakes etc.  has been re-built. He has one extra
engine plus a still-in-the-box overdrive. The car is just about done
but he lost both feet and really cannot deal with it anymore so is
looking to offload it on someone.
Know anyone who may be interested? He won't let it go for free but I
think whoever gets it is going to get one hell of a deal.
He lives in the same town as me, Healdsburg CA about an hour north of
S.F. CA.
If you know anyone please let me know. He is not in any particular
hurry to sell but it does need to go.
thank you
frans


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Mon Apr  9 13:38:05 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:38:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] HS4's
Message-ID: <BLU168-W1B8BD97E59A87BE92674DBA370@phx.gbl>

Removed the HS2's from the Spitfire and replacing them with HS4's for the
Mitty so I will have the opportunity to try and dial in something else that
weekend.  Fired the engine up for the first time saturday so I am getting
closer. Anyhow, on the HS4's, the rear car has a 1/4 o.d. stub of a hard line
coming out for the vent/overflow of the bowl. The front carb just has a hole
for the vent/overflow. The hole does not appear to match any line I have
laying around. Smaller than 1/4, larger than the next size down copper line
and hard brake lines I have. I though about opening it up to 1/4 but then
there would not be enough room to slip on a piece of rubber fuel line.  I am
trying to run these overflows away from the header.  What have you folks done
here on the front carb?

Thanks,
Marty

PS: Hope everybody has paid Ted for the shirts by now.


From markvaden at gmail.com  Mon Apr  9 19:29:11 2012
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 18:29:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 race car
Message-ID: <CAExoegngUhZ3=pq6YZMttrpSNc3_OR4H=-2fv4gRjAaVs3s6Aw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

I was going through the photos of the race car I aquired and have been
building for a couple of years, and I noticed a photo with a different
paint job. It says Hawaii SCCA, and I was wondering if anyone on the list
recognized this car. The photo can be seen at
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13552281/Photos/photo.JPG . I would love to know
more history about the car.

TIA,
Mark


From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Tue Apr 10 17:16:48 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:16:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance
In-Reply-To: <000501cd111b$dca19aa0$95e4cfe0$@com>
References: <000501cd111b$dca19aa0$95e4cfe0$@com>
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADB@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

Valve guide clearance...



At the VARA Willow Springs race recently, my GT6 crapped out. (again...)
Pulled the rocker cover, and discovered a broken rocker and a stuck valve.
Once at home, I pulled the head. Piston, etc look ok.  Head is now at machine
shop undergoing restorative surgery.  Initial look by machinist indicates
seized valve due to tight valve guide clearance.  This is a freshly rebuilt
motor.  Engine builder says he honed guides to 0.0025" tolerance.  Machinist
is pulling all valves to check...  Shall he go .004" clearance?



Ed











-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Tim Murphy
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 2:59 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: rpm724 at att.net; ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance



I took our head up to a machine shop in Appleton, WI to have it checked for

cracks and primarily to get the valves ground.  Here is what the machinist

has reported to me:







Intake valve guides a little loose                Intake valve stems okay







Exhaust valve guides okay                           Exhaust valves about

0.001 wear on the stem







The intake valves are a nice fit into the exhaust guides.  This is not the

usual type of wear he sees on the more common (Chevy and Ford V-8's) that he

works on.







Question:  What is the "normal" clearance valve stem to valve guide for the

TR4 engine when used for racing?  To put it another way, can we run the

engine with the intake guides loose and the 0.001 wear on the exhaust valve

stems?  And, is this the usual wear pattern on the TR4 engine?







We are running a stock crank with stock rods, all balanced, and forged

WISECO pistons with 87 mm liners from Ken Gilanders.  We try to keep to a

5500 RPM redline with occasional use of 6000 for overtaking.  For what it's

worth we have a 4.3 rear end and overdrive.







I recall a discussion on the list some time ago regarding different

materials being used for guides and a problem with getting the proper

clearance.  As I recall, a number of folks were using these guides and

unfortunately had valves get stuck with somewhat disastrous results.  I

think the guides were bronze or some alloy with bronze in it.  I don't

recall any discussion on clearance for stock valves and stock guides.  My

gut feel is that I'd rather have the guides/valves a little loose than have

a valve stick and destroy the head and maybe the rest of the engine.







Thanks for your help,







Tim & Ryan Murphy



1961 TR4  #317

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From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Tue Apr 10 17:41:47 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:41:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] another race car
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized me
to buy another race car.  (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as well)
Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, I'm
looking for opinions of what to look for.

As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races an
FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her.  I want to initially
spend well under $30k.  Of course, a lot of the price is factored into just
how race ready a particular car is.  I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc.  Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going there
for several reasons...)

I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective folks
here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions.  I really
need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
competitive side.  I want a car that can finish races consistently.

Thoughts?

Ed Dunn


From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Apr 10 18:43:34 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:43:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VIR Track Talk or Video?
Message-ID: <C23E9202-8FAA-4A81-8FD9-A5CD9EE6F51C@me.com>

I'll be at VIR this weekend for the first time in eight years, and the last time only lasted one day until a rocker arm broke, with valve/piston damage.
Anyone have a good description of how to drive the track, map showing best lines, or video they care to share?  I found last year at Watkins Glen that advance reading of a great description of driving the track, turn by turn, and studying a map and photos was really helpful.


From jason at multivintage.com  Tue Apr 10 18:56:33 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:56:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] another race car
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <CALCydYpw3Ra2EnQcYhcu+QBbnEE5TAF6xe=BNQrSbN2TbruZwA@mail.gmail.com>

Edward,
Speaking of Philosophical...
That is exactly why a GT6 can be so rewarding.
Its NOT easy but these cars can also be reliable.
It is more an issue of constant maintenance... And I understand that takes
time.
Don't give up on the GT6.
Keep that as your Vintage Racer just develop it with reliability in mind...
Unfortunately, getting any car out of hibernation and into current reliable
racing form is not going to come without disappointment.
But the reward is that much greater... you have lots of people here to help
you.
Judging by what you have put into the car already you should be pretty
close to reliable already.
Any vintage race car is going to require constant attention.
The sound of a well performing GT6 is worth a bit of extra effort.
I finish well in almost every race in mine.
Yes, there are a select few great GT6 drivers/owners that have made them go
fast and far.
That possibility is what you need to latch onto.
I've done almost everything you have mentioned over the past few years.
I hope to be sipping bubbly from the Kastner Cup in a couple weeks.


In regards to another race car... I would go for an action packed club
racer in a full field spec class... lots of seat time.
Try to hang in there.
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Edward Dunn
<edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>wrote:

> Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized
> me
> to buy another race car.  (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as
> well)
> Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, I'm
> looking for opinions of what to look for.
>
> As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races
> an
> FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her.  I want to
> initially
> spend well under $30k.  Of course, a lot of the price is factored into just
> how race ready a particular car is.  I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
> Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc.  Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going
> there
> for several reasons...)
>
> I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective
> folks
> here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions.  I
> really
> need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
> competitive side.  I want a car that can finish races consistently.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Ed Dunn
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Apr 10 19:03:55 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:03:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADB@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <000501cd111b$dca19aa0$95e4cfe0$@com>
	<36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADB@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <8CEE5961A827170-EBC-1423@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com>

 material spec may be an issue.  we just had a major thread on this....

drawing up the archives on this may lead to a good decision for your
situation.

i think we have come to a conclusion that bronze guides may not be worth the
risk.





Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Edward Dunn <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>
To: Tim Murphy <timmurph at fastbytes.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: rpm724 <rpm724 at att.net>; ryan.murphy <ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov>
Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 6:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance


Valve guide clearance...



At the VARA Willow Springs race recently, my GT6 crapped out. (again...)
Pulled the rocker cover, and discovered a broken rocker and a stuck valve.
Once at home, I pulled the head. Piston, etc look ok.  Head is now at machine
shop undergoing restorative surgery.  Initial look by machinist indicates
seized valve due to tight valve guide clearance.  This is a freshly rebuilt
motor.  Engine builder says he honed guides to 0.0025" tolerance.  Machinist
is pulling all valves to check...  Shall he go .004" clearance?



Ed











-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
Of Tim Murphy
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 2:59 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: rpm724 at att.net; ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance



I took our head up to a machine shop in Appleton, WI to have it checked for

cracks and primarily to get the valves ground.  Here is what the machinist

has reported to me:







Intake valve guides a little loose                Intake valve stems okay







Exhaust valve guides okay                           Exhaust valves about

0.001 wear on the stem







The intake valves are a nice fit into the exhaust guides.  This is not the

usual type of wear he sees on the more common (Chevy and Ford V-8's) that he

works on.







Question:  What is the "normal" clearance valve stem to valve guide for the

TR4 engine when used for racing?  To put it another way, can we run the

engine with the intake guides loose and the 0.001 wear on the exhaust valve

stems?  And, is this the usual wear pattern on the TR4 engine?







We are running a stock crank with stock rods, all balanced, and forged

WISECO pistons with 87 mm liners from Ken Gilanders.  We try to keep to a

5500 RPM redline with occasional use of 6000 for overtaking.  For what it's

worth we have a 4.3 rear end and overdrive.







I recall a discussion on the list some time ago regarding different

materials being used for guides and a problem with getting the proper

clearance.  As I recall, a number of folks were using these guides and

unfortunately had valves get stuck with somewhat disastrous results.  I

think the guides were bronze or some alloy with bronze in it.  I don't

recall any discussion on clearance for stock valves and stock guides.  My

gut feel is that I'd rather have the guides/valves a little loose than have

a valve stick and destroy the head and maybe the rest of the engine.







Thanks for your help,







Tim & Ryan Murphy



1961 TR4  #317

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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Apr 10 19:47:55 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:47:55 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADB@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <mailman.60.1638252568.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

I use .003 - .004 for bronze guides & haven't seized one yet.
jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Edward Dunn
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 5:17 PM
To: Tim Murphy; fot at autox.team.net
Cc: rpm724 at att.net; ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance

Valve guide clearance...



At the VARA Willow Springs race recently, my GT6 crapped out. (again...)
Pulled the rocker cover, and discovered a broken rocker and a stuck valve.
Once at home, I pulled the head. Piston, etc look ok.  Head is now at
machine
shop undergoing restorative surgery.  Initial look by machinist indicates
seized valve due to tight valve guide clearance.  This is a freshly rebuilt
motor.  Engine builder says he honed guides to 0.0025" tolerance.  Machinist
is pulling all valves to check...  Shall he go .004" clearance?



Ed











-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
Of Tim Murphy
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 2:59 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Cc: rpm724 at att.net; ryan.murphy at fdlco.wi.gov
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance



I took our head up to a machine shop in Appleton, WI to have it checked for

cracks and primarily to get the valves ground.  Here is what the machinist

has reported to me:







Intake valve guides a little loose                Intake valve stems okay







Exhaust valve guides okay                           Exhaust valves about

0.001 wear on the stem







The intake valves are a nice fit into the exhaust guides.  This is not the

usual type of wear he sees on the more common (Chevy and Ford V-8's) that he

works on.







Question:  What is the "normal" clearance valve stem to valve guide for the

TR4 engine when used for racing?  To put it another way, can we run the

engine with the intake guides loose and the 0.001 wear on the exhaust valve

stems?  And, is this the usual wear pattern on the TR4 engine?







We are running a stock crank with stock rods, all balanced, and forged

WISECO pistons with 87 mm liners from Ken Gilanders.  We try to keep to a

5500 RPM redline with occasional use of 6000 for overtaking.  For what it's

worth we have a 4.3 rear end and overdrive.







I recall a discussion on the list some time ago regarding different

materials being used for guides and a problem with getting the proper

clearance.  As I recall, a number of folks were using these guides and

unfortunately had valves get stuck with somewhat disastrous results.  I

think the guides were bronze or some alloy with bronze in it.  I don't

recall any discussion on clearance for stock valves and stock guides.  My

gut feel is that I'd rather have the guides/valves a little loose than have

a valve stick and destroy the head and maybe the rest of the engine.







Thanks for your help,







Tim & Ryan Murphy



1961 TR4  #317

_______________________________________________

fot at autox.team.net



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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Tue Apr 10 20:09:28 2012
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 22:09:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VIR Track Talk or Video?
In-Reply-To: <C23E9202-8FAA-4A81-8FD9-A5CD9EE6F51C@me.com>
References: <C23E9202-8FAA-4A81-8FD9-A5CD9EE6F51C@me.com>
Message-ID: <001401cd1788$20678a20$61369e60$@net>

Have fun

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:44 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: [Fot] VIR Track Talk or Video?

I'll be at VIR this weekend for the first time in eight years, and the last
time only lasted one day until a rocker arm broke, with valve/piston damage.
Anyone have a good description of how to drive the track, map showing best
lines, or video they care to share?  I found last year at Watkins Glen that
advance reading of a great description of driving the track, turn by turn,
and studying a map and photos was really helpful.
_______________________________________________
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From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Tue Apr 10 20:51:43 2012
From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 19:51:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] another race car
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <81B87BCD1EC64A00BE14C443AC4E170B@TER2>

If Gary Horskorda's car is not sold, his TR-4 sounds like a great deal to 
me!  It is still listed in the back of Victory Lane in the April issue for 
$18,300. The contact listed is 3tr67 at comcast.net  I have no conection with 
the car other than being a fellow racer. .
                                                                             
                            Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward Dunn" <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: [Fot] another race car


> Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized 
> me
> to buy another race car.  (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as 
> well)
> Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, 
> I'm
> looking for opinions of what to look for.
>
> As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races 
> an
> FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her.  I want to 
> initially
> spend well under $30k.  Of course, a lot of the price is factored into 
> just
> how race ready a particular car is.  I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
> Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc.  Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going 
> there
> for several reasons...)
>
> I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective 
> folks
> here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions.  I 
> really
> need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
> competitive side.  I want a car that can finish races consistently.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Ed Dunn
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From sjanzen at me.com  Tue Apr 10 21:03:33 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:03:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] another race car
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hmm, it's taken me eight years with my GT6 and I'm not there yet, though getting there.  I was paddocked next to a guy driving a 911 two years ago at the Turkey Bowl - a bunch of us were busy fixing our LBCs all weekend at the end of the season to squeak out one last race weekend of the year, and I ribbed the guy that he just parked next to us to gloat.  He said - no, no, I have to work on my car too - turns out that in 25,000 (!!!!!) track miles the worst thing he had to do was change a clutch!.  Still on the same motor.
Well, we could all drive Miatas.

On Apr 10, 2012, at 8:56 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:

Edward,
Speaking of Philosophical...
That is exactly why a GT6 can be so rewarding.
Its NOT easy but these cars can also be reliable.
It is more an issue of constant maintenance... And I understand that takes
time.
Don't give up on the GT6.
Keep that as your Vintage Racer just develop it with reliability in mind...
Unfortunately, getting any car out of hibernation and into current reliable
racing form is not going to come without disappointment.
But the reward is that much greater... you have lots of people here to help
you.
Judging by what you have put into the car already you should be pretty
close to reliable already.
Any vintage race car is going to require constant attention.
The sound of a well performing GT6 is worth a bit of extra effort.
I finish well in almost every race in mine.
Yes, there are a select few great GT6 drivers/owners that have made them go
fast and far.
That possibility is what you need to latch onto.
I've done almost everything you have mentioned over the past few years.
I hope to be sipping bubbly from the Kastner Cup in a couple weeks.


In regards to another race car... I would go for an action packed club
racer in a full field spec class... lots of seat time.
Try to hang in there.
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6

On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Edward Dunn
<edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>wrote:

> Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized
> me
> to buy another race car.  (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as
> well)
> Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, I'm
> looking for opinions of what to look for.
> 
> As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races
> an
> FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her.  I want to
> initially
> spend well under $30k.  Of course, a lot of the price is factored into just
> how race ready a particular car is.  I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
> Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc.  Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going
> there
> for several reasons...)
> 
> I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective
> folks
> here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions.  I
> really
> need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
> competitive side.  I want a car that can finish races consistently.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Ed Dunn
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From horizonracing at msn.com  Tue Apr 10 21:37:02 2012
From: horizonracing at msn.com (horizonracing at msn.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:37:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] another race car
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Agreed ! Gary has spent a lot of time on the details incl. A new RAtco frame  
!!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

-----Original message-----
From: Greg Solow <Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>
To: Edward Dunn <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>, fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 19:51:43 PDT
Subject: Re: [Fot] another race car

If Gary Horskorda's car is not sold, his TR-4 sounds like a great deal to  
me!  It is still listed in the back of Victory Lane in the April issue for  
$18,300. The contact listed is 3tr67 at comcast.net  I have no conection with  
the car other than being a fellow racer. .
                                                                              
                            Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Dunn"  
<edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: [Fot] another race car


> Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized  
> me
> to buy another race car.  (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as >  
well)
> Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, >  
I'm
> looking for opinions of what to look for.
>
> As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races  
> an
> FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her.  I want to >  
initially
> spend well under $30k.  Of course, a lot of the price is factored into >  
just
> how race ready a particular car is.  I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
> Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc.  Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going >  
there
> for several reasons...)
>
> I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective >  
folks
> here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions.  I >  
really
> need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
> competitive side.  I want a car that can finish races consistently.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Ed Dunn
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Apr 10 21:43:27 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 03:43:27 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR4 valve guide clearance
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I run 0.0015/0.003" with cast iron.

Cheers
Chris
Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone


From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Tue Apr 10 22:00:52 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:00:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] another race car
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Yes,

I saw that beautiful red TR online. Very nice. Value is certainly there.
Considering Ibm after max seat time, what are opinions going with a Spitfire?  Therebs a good, well race prepped Spit nearby, owner is asking $6500b&

Ed




From: horizonracing at msn.com [mailto:horizonracing at msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:37 PM
To: Edward Dunn; fot at autox.team.net; Greg Solow
Subject: Re: [Fot] another race car

Agreed ! Gary has spent a lot of time on the details incl. A new RAtco frame !!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


-----Original message-----
From: Greg Solow <Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com<mailto:Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>>
To: Edward Dunn <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com<mailto:edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>>, fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 19:51:43 PDT
Subject: Re: [Fot] another race car
If Gary Horskorda's car is not sold, his TR-4 sounds like a great deal to me! It is still listed in the back of Victory Lane in the April issue for $18,300. The contact listed is 3tr67 at comcast.net<mailto:3tr67 at comcast.net> I have no conection with the car other than being a fellow racer. .
Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Dunn"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: [Fot] another race car


> Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized > me
> to buy another race car. (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as > well)
> Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, > I'm
> looking for opinions of what to look for.
>
> As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races > an
> FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her. I want to > initially
> spend well under $30k. Of course, a lot of the price is factored into > just
> how race ready a particular car is. I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
> Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc. Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going > there
> for several reasons...)
>
> I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective > folks
> here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions. I > really
> need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
> competitive side. I want a car that can finish races consistently.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Ed Dunn
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Apr 10 22:14:29 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 22:14:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] another race car
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You said FV is not an option, how about Formula Ford?  Maybe an old
Crossle, not British, but Irish, close enough?

mjb.


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue Apr 10 22:11:50 2012
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Fot)
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 21:11:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] another race car
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Thanks Greg and Tony, the TR is available.

Gary

On Apr 10, 2012, at 8:37 PM, "horizonracing at msn.com" <horizonracing at msn.com>
wrote:

> Agreed ! Gary has spent a lot of time on the details incl. A new RAtco frame
> !!
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: Greg Solow <Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>
> To: Edward Dunn <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>, fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 19:51:43 PDT
> Subject: Re: [Fot] another race car
>
> If Gary Horskorda's car is not sold, his TR-4 sounds like a great deal to
> me!  It is still listed in the back of Victory Lane in the April issue for
> $18,300. The contact listed is 3tr67 at comcast.net  I have no conection with
> the car other than being a fellow racer. .
>
>                            Greg Solow
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Dunn"
> <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:41 PM
> Subject: [Fot] another race car
>
>
>> Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized
>> me
>> to buy another race car.  (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as >
> well)
>> Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, >
> I'm
>> looking for opinions of what to look for.
>>
>> As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races
>> an
>> FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her.  I want to >
> initially
>> spend well under $30k.  Of course, a lot of the price is factored into >
> just
>> how race ready a particular car is.  I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
>> Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc.  Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going >
> there
>> for several reasons...)
>>
>> I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective >
> folks
>> here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions.  I >
> really
>> need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
>> competitive side.  I want a car that can finish races consistently.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Ed Dunn
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 11 10:32:19 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:32:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup and FOT shirts
Message-ID: <BLU168-W27C9D0F572E3631A92ED2BBA350@phx.gbl>

Shirts are printed and being shipped as we speak.  If you ordered a shirt you
received an email last week telling you to pay up.  Labor part is done but we
need to finish up the financial part. Please contact Ted of TSI at
800.543.6648 (US& Canada) and pay the man.  We need to wrap this up prior to
heading off to the MItty.

Thanks,
Marty


From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Wed Apr 11 13:03:58 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:03:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
question that may have already been answered.

On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric shop,
but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT racer
that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be simply
replaced instead of rebuilt.

Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the pit
to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted suggested I
wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps as
seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?

In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
getting down in there to bleed.

Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...

Ed


From jason at multivintage.com  Wed Apr 11 13:48:38 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:48:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
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Starters have been a tough issue for me to. I had to make a custom set up
for mine. Nothing else would fit without touching the headers.
Short answer, try to have a couple spares on hand in case of a total failure
But regardless...They just won't work when hot.
Yes, definitely wrap the starter with the heat shield it helps a bit. (be
certain that the heat shield does not touch the header anywhere).

As for the clutch line, it should run behind the brake master cylinder and
along the rear of the firewall as far as possible. Then straight down to
the slave. Ted could make you a one piece braided line to run that entire
distance...I doubt the line getting hot is the problem. Its probably the
clutch itself getting hot and not working right...
What kind of clutch set-up do you have?


Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing GT6
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Edward Dunn
<edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>wrote:

> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
> question that may have already been answered.
>
> On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
> related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric
> shop,
> but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT
> racer
> that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be
> simply
> replaced instead of rebuilt.
>
> Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the
> pit
> to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
> really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted
> suggested I
> wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps
> as
> seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?
>
> In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
> pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
> Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
> using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
> getting down in there to bleed.
>
> Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...
>
> Ed
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From sjanzen at me.com  Wed Apr 11 13:53:34 2012
From: sjanzen at me.com (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:53:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
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I use the high -torque starter I got from Ted -it's been good for about 6 years now, despite the fact that the insulation on exposed wiring is well cooked (jinxed myself now, of course).
My headers are about 1/4" away from the starter -close enough that I took a ball peen hammer to one of the tubes to increase the clearance a hair.   I have the starter wrapped in one of those aluminum blankets, and the header right near the starter wrapped with tape from Pegasus.
I'd get a quality starter from a known source -there have been threads about the variability of quality on these before.

Clutch - could be boiling fluid.  Try re-routing the line.  The slave is on the top right of the bell housing, so there should be no reason to bring the line close to the header - I had a flexible one that just came across the top of the b-housing from the master.  Might be another clutch issue - describe the symptoms more?

On Apr 11, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Edward Dunn wrote:

First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
question that may have already been answered.

On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric shop,
but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT racer
that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be simply
replaced instead of rebuilt.

Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the pit
to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted suggested I
wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps as
seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?

In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
getting down in there to bleed.

Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...

Ed
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From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Wed Apr 11 14:02:40 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:02:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <DA713F5B-9B77-4CE7-8972-BBA26F22C8D5@me.com>
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Clutch operates normally when cool.  After some laps, it starts not fully
disengaging, to the point when I pull into the pits I can't get into first or
second gear.  Then once it cools down, it's fine again.  How about drilling
some 1" cooling holes in the bell housing?  Can't really use a transmission
cooler like on an automatic.  Car sits really low, plus exhaust running right
underneath, I imagine lots of hot air, not much cooling air.  Also, I've got
the exhaust running straight out the rear.  Should it be exiting the side, in
front of the right rear tire?




From: Scott Janzen [mailto:sjanzen at me.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:54 PM
To: Edward Dunn
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue

I use the high -torque starter I got from Ted -it's been good for about 6
years now, despite the fact that the insulation on exposed wiring is well
cooked (jinxed myself now, of course).
My headers are about 1/4" away from the starter -close enough that I took a
ball peen hammer to one of the tubes to increase the clearance a hair.   I
have the starter wrapped in one of those aluminum blankets, and the header
right near the starter wrapped with tape from Pegasus.
I'd get a quality starter from a known source -there have been threads about
the variability of quality on these before.

Clutch - could be boiling fluid.  Try re-routing the line.  The slave is on
the top right of the bell housing, so there should be no reason to bring the
line close to the header - I had a flexible one that just came across the top
of the b-housing from the master.  Might be another clutch issue - describe
the symptoms more?

On Apr 11, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Edward Dunn wrote:

First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
question that may have already been answered.

On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric
shop,
but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT racer
that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be simply
replaced instead of rebuilt.

Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the
pit
to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted suggested
I
wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps as
seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?

In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
getting down in there to bleed.

Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...

Ed
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Apr 11 14:47:06 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:47:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <DA713F5B-9B77-4CE7-8972-BBA26F22C8D5@me.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>,
	<DA713F5B-9B77-4CE7-8972-BBA26F22C8D5@me.com>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W37B1BA9C6099519138E9E3DF350@phx.gbl>

One of the things I learned in the turbocharger business long ago;  air gaps
make a great insulator for hot things. Yes, wrap the starter and if room make
just a aluminum shield that gives an air gap around the starter. You probably
cannot get more than a 1/4" gap but it really worth the effort.  Stainless is
better, but harder to work with, Titanium is the best but tough to find and
tough to work. it is a lot easier to say this than to do it, but TRY.
Never be beaten by equipment
 > From: sjanzen at me.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:53:34 -0400
> To: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
>
> I use the high -torque starter I got from Ted -it's been good for about 6
years now, despite the fact that the insulation on exposed wiring is well
cooked (jinxed myself now, of course).
> My headers are about 1/4" away from the starter -close enough that I took a
ball peen hammer to one of the tubes to increase the clearance a hair.   I
have the starter wrapped in one of those aluminum blankets, and the header
right near the starter wrapped with tape from Pegasus.
> I'd get a quality starter from a known source -there have been threads about
the variability of quality on these before.
>
> Clutch - could be boiling fluid.  Try re-routing the line.  The slave is on
the top right of the bell housing, so there should be no reason to bring the
line close to the header - I had a flexible one that just came across the top
of the b-housing from the master.  Might be another clutch issue - describe
the symptoms more?
>
> On Apr 11, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Edward Dunn wrote:
>
> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
> question that may have already been answered.
>
> On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
> related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric
shop,
> but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT
racer
> that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be
simply
> replaced instead of rebuilt.
>
> Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the
pit
> to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
> really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted suggested
I
> wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps
as
> seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?
>
> In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
> pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
> Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
> using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
> getting down in there to bleed.
>
> Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...
>
> Ed
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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Apr 11 17:20:02 2012
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:20:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <000601cd1839$9f626280$de272780$@com>

Possibly boiling the brake fluid in the clutch line?  Just a thought.

Tim Murphy

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Edward Dunn
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:04 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue

First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
question that may have already been answered.

On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric
shop,
but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT racer
that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be
simply
replaced instead of rebuilt.

Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the
pit
to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted suggested
I
wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps as
seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?

In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
getting down in there to bleed.

Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...

Ed
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From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 11 19:52:13 2012
From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:52:13 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <5E062225-1C41-4D43-A87F-69CEB44B790B@yahoo.com>

The heat wrap does work, but my neighbor told me to take it off.  He has an
early '70s Cuda that he races in the Pikes Peak Hill Climb every year.  He
actually cooked a set of headers with the heat wrap on. I didn't believe until
one evening I had the TR4 running and could see a bright red glow at the
collector.

I had my header ceramic coated.  Cost about $150 by a shop in Wheat Ridge, CO.
Looks great and vastly reduced the heat up front and eliminates rust.  Coating
is inside and out.  No commercial interest.

Ty



Tyler

Sent from my iPad
(Please excuse any errors or typos)

On Apr 11, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Edward Dunn <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>
wrote:

> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
> question that may have already been answered.
>
> On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
> related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric
shop,
> but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT
racer
> that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be
simply
> replaced instead of rebuilt.
>
> Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the
pit
> to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
> really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted suggested
I
> wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps
as
> seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?
>
> In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
> pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
> Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
> using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
> getting down in there to bleed.
>
> Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...
>
> Ed
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From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 11 20:04:26 2012
From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:04:26 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
Message-ID: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>

My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014 intake/.016
exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
clearances may be a bit too tight.

That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless (I
don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this question)
he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my valve
lash is too tight.

Appreciate your input..

Thx

Ty


Sent from my iPad


From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Wed Apr 11 20:51:40 2012
From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:51:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <049B32E6A1094801911F7C130E8EED24@TER2>

Don't wrap the header unless it is made of stainless tubing. It will fall 
apart in no time from excessive heat. Kas is absolutely right. wrap the 
starter in heat shielding. Put a heat shield between the starter and the 
header. Try to duct cool air into this area. Have the header coated inside 
and out with very high heat resistant/insulating coating.
                                                                             
                    Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Edward Dunn" <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:03 PM
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue


> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
> question that may have already been answered.
>
> On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
> related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric 
> shop,
> but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT 
> racer
> that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be 
> simply
> replaced instead of rebuilt.
>
> Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the 
> pit
> to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
> really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted 
> suggested I
> wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps 
> as
> seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?
>
> In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
> pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
> Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and 
> am
> using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
> getting down in there to bleed.
>
> Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...
>
> Ed
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From igofaster at att.net  Wed Apr 11 22:16:28 2012
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:16:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] another race car
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <1334204188.12073.YahooMailRC@web180810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

buy a Porsche, made to race from the get go...






________________________________
From: Edward Dunn <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>
To: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, April 10, 2012 6:41:47 PM
Subject: [Fot] another race car

Due to the less than great reliability of my GT6, the wife has authorized me
to buy another race car.  (We'll keep the GT6 and run it occasionally as well)
Philosophical arguments of why the GT6 isn't cutting the mustard aside, I'm
looking for opinions of what to look for.

As a new vintage racer, I'm interested in maximum seat time. My wife races an
FV, and the terms DNS & DNF are totally foreign to her.  I want to initially
spend well under $30k.  Of course, a lot of the price is factored into just
how race ready a particular car is.  I'm thinking along the lines of: TR4,
Turner, MGB, Alfa, etc.  Probably an open car. (NOT an FV, I'm not going there
for several reasons...)

I know this is F/O TRIUMPH, but I figure there could be some objective folks
here who understand what I'm looking for and can offer suggestions.  I really
need a car balanced slightly towards the reliability side versus hard edge
competitive side.  I want a car that can finish races consistently.

Thoughts?

Ed Dunn
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 12 02:43:48 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:43:48 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <000601cd1839$9f626280$de272780$@com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<000601cd1839$9f626280$de272780$@com>
Message-ID: <002301cd1888$6267c880$27375980$@com>

I had some trouble with these modern starters too.
>From vibration the lines to the solenoid inside the housing do break and
have contact occasionally.
Not very funny.
I've cut them off a little and soldered the wires from old starter brushes
of the stock starter in place.
These thick wire loops do work perfect and doesn't vibrate.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Edward Dunn
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:04 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue

First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
question that may have already been answered.

On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be heat
related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto electric
shop,
but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a FOT racer
that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should be
simply
replaced instead of rebuilt.

Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by in the
pit
to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, which
really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted suggested
I
wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating wraps as
seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter functioning?

In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch line is
pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too hot?
Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, and am
using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real interesting
getting down in there to bleed.

Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...

Ed
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Apr 12 06:01:43 2012
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:01:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] another race car
In-Reply-To: <1334204188.12073.YahooMailRC@web180810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<1334204188.12073.YahooMailRC@web180810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2012, Bobby Whitehead wrote:

> buy a Porsche, made to race from the get go...

If you do, don't forget the Darth Vader kit to go with it.

:-)

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From jkhagen at charter.net  Thu Apr 12 07:18:40 2012
From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:18:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
Message-ID: <1deb574e.1ec76.136a6b4aed8.Webtop.46@charter.net>

FOT's--Do you want to save the starter or make horse power.  According 
to Myron Cottrell -[Cotrell Racing Engines] some of the best in the 
nation-do not wrap or coat headers--you want heat to excape engine and 
headers any way possible. John Hagen


On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:

> The heat wrap does work, but my neighbor told me to take it off.  He 
> has an
> early '70s Cuda that he races in the Pikes Peak Hill Climb every year. 
> He
> actually cooked a set of headers with the heat wrap on. I didn't 
> believe until
> one evening I had the TR4 running and could see a bright red glow at 
> the
> collector.
>
> I had my header ceramic coated.  Cost about $150 by a shop in Wheat 
> Ridge, CO.
> Looks great and vastly reduced the heat up front and eliminates rust. 
> Coating
> is inside and out.  No commercial interest.
>
> Ty
>
>
>
> Tyler
>
> Sent from my iPad
> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
>
> On Apr 11, 2012, at 1:03 PM, Edward Dunn 
> <edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com>
> wrote:
>
>> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking 
>> a
>> question that may have already been answered.
>>
>> On my GT6, the hi-torque starter is intermittent, and it seems to be 
>> heat
>> related but not always...  I had it rebuilt by a reputable auto 
>> electric
> shop,
>> but no improvement. Checked ground, solenoid, etc. I was told by a 
>> FOT
> racer
>> that the hi-torque starters are seldom properly rebuilt, and should 
>> be
> simply
>> replaced instead of rebuilt.
>>
>> Mr. Kastner told me they used to have a bucket of water standing by 
>> in the
> pit
>> to pour on the starter so it would work.  The car has a TSI header, 
>> which
>> really wraps around the starter bringing plenty of heat to it. Ted 
>> suggested
> I
>> wrap the header, which I will do. Anyone use the starter insulating 
>> wraps
> as
>> seen on Jeg's etc? Any other ideas on keeping the starter 
>> functioning?
>>
>> In addition, the clutch has trouble engaging when hot.  The clutch 
>> line is
>> pretty close to the header as well, and I suspect it's getting too 
>> hot?
>> Insulate the clutch line?  I just rebuilt the clutch master & slave, 
>> and am
>> using Castrol LMA fluid. What with the roll cage, it's real 
>> interesting
>> getting down in there to bleed.
>>
>> Apologies if these questions are too simplistic, but oh well...
>>
>> Ed
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
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>>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 12 07:43:57 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:43:57 +0200
Subject: [Fot] another race car
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1204120800430.14682@isis.mit.edu>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3ADC@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<1334204188.12073.YahooMailRC@web180810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1204120800430.14682@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <004901cd18b2$526af900$f740eb00$@com>

The Dark Force is strong with this one.

> buy a Porsche, made to race from the get go...

If you do, don't forget the Darth Vader kit to go with it.


From PegAndBobM at aol.com  Thu Apr 12 07:56:43 2012
From: PegAndBobM at aol.com (PegAndBobM at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:56:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] another race car
Message-ID: <1cfcc.409b5d82.3cb8391b@aol.com>

Decent TR4 at a very reasonable price.  Car was very reliable when  driven 
by Ray, but Ray's nature was not to overstress the equipment and always  
have a smile at the end of the race day.
 
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The Dark  Force is strong with this one.

> buy a Porsche, made to race from  the get go...

If you do, don't forget the Darth Vader kit to go with  it.
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From harmug at us.ibm.com  Thu Apr 12 09:47:00 2012
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:47:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Shirts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10671.1334238984.3017.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.10671.1334238984.3017.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF1A26BEF9.EC247150-ON852579DE.0056843C-852579DE.0056B3B7@us.ibm.com>

Received a box of FOT and Mitty shirts last night. They look great.
Hats off (Next SWAG? ) to Marty and Ted for doing this.

mike h
14 days and counting

G. Michael Harmuth


From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu Apr 12 09:51:13 2012
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:51:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <1deb574e.1ec76.136a6b4aed8.Webtop.46@charter.net>
References: <1deb574e.1ec76.136a6b4aed8.Webtop.46@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4F86F9F1.5090104@gmail.com>

On 4/12/12 6:18 AM, jkhagen at charter.net wrote:
> FOT's--Do you want to save the starter or make horse power.  According 
> to Myron Cottrell -[Cotrell Racing Engines] some of the best in the 
> nation-do not wrap or coat headers--you want heat to excape engine and 
> headers any way possible. John Hagen
Also, traditional wrap collects moisture and holds it next to the steel 
headers.  I had a wrapped header literately turn to rust flakes within 5 
years running in a moist environment.  If you decide the starter is more 
important I suggest you get the inside of the headers ceramic coated, 
paint liquid ceramic coating on the body of the starter motor and sleeve 
your wiring.

Teriann


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Thu Apr 12 10:03:01 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:03:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <4F86F9F1.5090104@gmail.com>
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	<4F86F9F1.5090104@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <071AB409785440EF9E540FB7F40B1AED@gdhs.local>

Just as an aside, high performance two-stroke expansion chambers benefit
from having the header pipe and initial cones wrapped up to the center
chamber. 


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To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue

On 4/12/12 6:18 AM, jkhagen at charter.net wrote:
> FOT's--Do you want to save the starter or make horse power.  According 
> to Myron Cottrell -[Cotrell Racing Engines] some of the best in the 
> nation-do not wrap or coat headers--you want heat to excape engine and 
> headers any way possible. John Hagen
Also, traditional wrap collects moisture and holds it next to the steel
headers.  I had a wrapped header literately turn to rust flakes within 5
years running in a moist environment.  If you decide the starter is more
important I suggest you get the inside of the headers ceramic coated, paint
liquid ceramic coating on the body of the starter motor and sleeve your
wiring.

Teriann
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 12 10:38:41 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:38:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Shirts
In-Reply-To: <OF1A26BEF9.EC247150-ON852579DE.0056843C-852579DE.0056B3B7@us.ibm.com>
References: <mailman.10671.1334238984.3017.fot@autox.team.net>,
	<OF1A26BEF9.EC247150-ON852579DE.0056843C-852579DE.0056B3B7@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <BLU168-W573EAAB9856A8A4EF52E76BA3A0@phx.gbl>

Thanks Mike.  The big thanks should go out to Steve Belfer for that great
artwork that made it all happen.

Marty


> To: fot at autox.team.net
> From: harmug at us.ibm.com
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:47:00 -0400
> Subject: [Fot] Shirts
>
> Received a box of FOT and Mitty shirts last night. They look great.
> Hats off (Next SWAG? ) to Marty and Ted for doing this.
>
> mike h
> 14 days and counting
>
> G. Michael Harmuth
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Apr 12 11:12:09 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:12:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] :  Shirts and Poster    TED  MARTY  STEVE  IRV  VTR
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W573EAAB9856A8A4EF52E76BA3A0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.10671.1334238984.3017.fot@autox.team.net>,
	<OF1A26BEF9.EC247150-ON852579DE.0056843C-852579DE.0056B3B7@us.ibm.com>
	<BLU168-W573EAAB9856A8A4EF52E76BA3A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CEE6E68667388F-1F80-10091@webmail-m103.sysops.aol.com>

 10-4 on the thanks to those guys.

I am hoping that they will be involved in the 2013 KASTNER CUP, too.

Thanks also to VTR for sponsoring the official FOT poster for this Kastner
Cup, once again, and to Irv Korey acting as their representative at THE
MITTY.

Steve Belfer, would you contact me off list? I have a proposal for you. I
tried an email address and it didnt work.



Joe Alexander
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Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
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-----Original Message-----
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: Mike Harmuth <harmug at us.ibm.com>; FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 11:42 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] Shirts


Thanks Mike.  The big thanks should go out to Steve Belfer for that great
artwork that made it all happen.

Marty


> To: fot at autox.team.net
> From: harmug at us.ibm.com
> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:47:00 -0400
> Subject: [Fot] Shirts
>
> Received a box of FOT and Mitty shirts last night. They look great.
> Hats off (Next SWAG? ) to Marty and Ted for doing this.
>
> mike h
> 14 days and counting
>
> G. Michael Harmuth
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From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Thu Apr 12 11:56:14 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:56:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <1deb574e.1ec76.136a6b4aed8.Webtop.46@charter.net>
References: <1deb574e.1ec76.136a6b4aed8.Webtop.46@charter.net>
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AF3@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

How then do I start my car on the grid?

EED



-----Original Message-----
From: jkhagen at charter.net [mailto:jkhagen at charter.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:19 AM
To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
Cc: Edward Dunn; Triumph Friends of
Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue

FOT's--Do you want to save the starter or make horse power.  According
to Myron Cottrell -[Cotrell Racing Engines] some of the best in the
nation-do not wrap or coat headers--you want heat to excape engine and
headers any way possible. John Hagen


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu Apr 12 12:30:40 2012
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 14:30:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Shirts
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W573EAAB9856A8A4EF52E76BA3A0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.10671.1334238984.3017.fot@autox.team.net>,
	<OF1A26BEF9.EC247150-ON852579DE.0056843C-852579DE.0056B3B7@us.ibm.com>
	<BLU168-W573EAAB9856A8A4EF52E76BA3A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F871F50.2080607@bright.net>

Marty, right your are.  Kudo's to Steve B. Ted


On 4/12/2012 12:38 PM, marty sukey wrote:
> Thanks Mike.  The big thanks should go out to Steve Belfer for that great
> artwork that made it all happen.
>
> Marty
>
>
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> From: harmug at us.ibm.com
>> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 11:47:00 -0400
>> Subject: [Fot] Shirts
>>
>> Received a box of FOT and Mitty shirts last night. They look great.
>> Hats off (Next SWAG? ) to Marty and Ted for doing this.
>>
>> mike h
>> 14 days and counting
>>
>> G. Michael Harmuth
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 12 13:12:21 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 19:12:21 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
Message-ID: <mailman.62.1638252568.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

Be first and let you push by other cars behind you.

------Originalnachricht------
Von: Edward Dunn
Absender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
Gesendet: 12. Apr. 2012 19:56

How then do I start my car on the grid?

EED



-----Original Message-----
From: jkhagen at charter.net [mailto:jkhagen at charter.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:19 AM
To: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
Cc: Edward Dunn; Triumph Friends of
Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue

FOT's--Do you want to save the starter or make horse power.  According
to Myron Cottrell -[Cotrell Racing Engines] some of the best in the
nation-do not wrap or coat headers--you want heat to excape engine and
headers any way possible. John Hagen
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Apr 12 16:00:20 2012
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:00:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
References: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F0BBB0C3AD9D420BA7FED0E456FEA3CE@rocky>

Migawd, is Paeco even still in business? First thing I'd do, if Paeco ground 
the cam, is check the cam to be sure it is the correct specs. (If they're 
selling you someone else's cam, I'd not worry as much.)

I could tell you multiple horror stories about dealing with Paeco, none of 
them good. To the end I ceased doing business with them years ago.

While you don't say what car your cam is in, the Rick Cline cam in my 
Spitfire has clearances of .022/.024 hot.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:04 PM
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot


> My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014 
> intake/.016
> exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
> folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
> clearances may be a bit too tight.
>
> That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless 
> (I
> don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this 
> question)
> he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
> motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
> optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my 
> valve
> lash is too tight.
>
> Appreciate your input..
>
> Thx
>
> Ty


From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 12 16:08:46 2012
From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:08:46 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
In-Reply-To: <F0BBB0C3AD9D420BA7FED0E456FEA3CE@rocky>
References: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>
	<F0BBB0C3AD9D420BA7FED0E456FEA3CE@rocky>
Message-ID: <AE31F76E-2941-4EEE-A6B2-5C91377F2D26@yahoo.com>

There web site is up.  The cam was in the car (TR4) when I bought it so I
really don't know much else about it.

Thx

Ty


Sent from my iPad
(Please excuse any errors or typos)

On Apr 12, 2012, at 4:00 PM, "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote:

> Migawd, is Paeco even still in business? First thing I'd do, if Paeco ground
the cam, is check the cam to be sure it is the correct specs. (If they're
selling you someone else's cam, I'd not worry as much.)
>
> I could tell you multiple horror stories about dealing with Paeco, none of
them good. To the end I ceased doing business with them years ago.
>
> While you don't say what car your cam is in, the Rick Cline cam in my
Spitfire has clearances of .022/.024 hot.
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:04 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
>
>
>> My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014
intake/.016
>> exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
>> folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
>> clearances may be a bit too tight.
>>
>> That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless
(I
>> don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this
question)
>> he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
>> motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
>> optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my
valve
>> lash is too tight.
>>
>> Appreciate your input..
>>
>> Thx
>>
>> Ty


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Apr 12 16:29:49 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:29:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
In-Reply-To: <AE31F76E-2941-4EEE-A6B2-5C91377F2D26@yahoo.com>
References: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com><F0BBB0C3AD9D420BA7FED0E456FEA3CE@rocky>
	<AE31F76E-2941-4EEE-A6B2-5C91377F2D26@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CEE712E7B9AD87-1F80-1392C@webmail-m103.sysops.aol.com>

Other than some other similar remarks, this is the first that PAECO has come
up in a long time.

I have not (knowingly) bought anything from them, so I have nothing to say.

Does any one have anything specific to say about them?





Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Tylerpthompson <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
To: Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net> <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 5:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot


There web site is up.  The cam was in the car (TR4) when I bought it so I
really don't know much else about it.

Thx

Ty


Sent from my iPad
(Please excuse any errors or typos)

On Apr 12, 2012, at 4:00 PM, "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote:

> Migawd, is Paeco even still in business? First thing I'd do, if Paeco
ground
the cam, is check the cam to be sure it is the correct specs. (If they're
selling you someone else's cam, I'd not worry as much.)
>
> I could tell you multiple horror stories about dealing with Paeco, none of
them good. To the end I ceased doing business with them years ago.
>
> While you don't say what car your cam is in, the Rick Cline cam in my
Spitfire has clearances of .022/.024 hot.
>
> --Rocky Entriken
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:04 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
>
>
>> My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014
intake/.016
>> exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
>> folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
>> clearances may be a bit too tight.
>>
>> That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless
(I
>> don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this
question)
>> he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
>> motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
>> optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my
valve
>> lash is too tight.
>>
>> Appreciate your input..
>>
>> Thx
>>
>> Ty
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Apr 12 16:46:36 2012
From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:46:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
In-Reply-To: <8CEE712E7B9AD87-1F80-1392C@webmail-m103.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20120412184636.0G9EN.330098.imail@fed1rmwml106>

I used to receive their catalogues bu their prices always seemed incredibly high and I never bought anything from them because of that.

Joe C.


---- Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote: 
> Other than some other similar remarks, this is the first that PAECO has come
> up in a long time.
> 
> I have not (knowingly) bought anything from them, so I have nothing to say.
> 
> Does any one have anything specific to say about them?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tylerpthompson <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
> To: Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com>
> Cc: <fot at autox.team.net> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 5:14 pm
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
> 
> 
> There web site is up.  The cam was in the car (TR4) when I bought it so I
> really don't know much else about it.
> 
> Thx
> 
> Ty
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> (Please excuse any errors or typos)
> 
> On Apr 12, 2012, at 4:00 PM, "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com> wrote:
> 
> > Migawd, is Paeco even still in business? First thing I'd do, if Paeco
> ground
> the cam, is check the cam to be sure it is the correct specs. (If they're
> selling you someone else's cam, I'd not worry as much.)
> >
> > I could tell you multiple horror stories about dealing with Paeco, none of
> them good. To the end I ceased doing business with them years ago.
> >
> > While you don't say what car your cam is in, the Rick Cline cam in my
> Spitfire has clearances of .022/.024 hot.
> >
> > --Rocky Entriken
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
> > To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:04 PM
> > Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
> >
> >
> >> My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014
> intake/.016
> >> exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
> >> folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
> >> clearances may be a bit too tight.
> >>
> >> That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless
> (I
> >> don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this
> question)
> >> he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
> >> motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
> >> optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my
> valve
> >> lash is too tight.
> >>
> >> Appreciate your input..
> >>
> >> Thx
> >>
> >> Ty
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Thu Apr 12 17:03:54 2012
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:03:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
In-Reply-To: <20120412184636.0G9EN.330098.imail@fed1rmwml106>
References: <8CEE712E7B9AD87-1F80-1392C@webmail-m103.sysops.aol.com>,
	<20120412184636.0G9EN.330098.imail@fed1rmwml106>
Message-ID: <SNT134-W46D3A383C8BCB6E31D01DF903A0@phx.gbl>

I have a brand new PAECO cam for my MG motor that I got in a pile of parts and
am wondering if I shoul put it in the
engine.................................Henry Morrison


> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:46:36 -0700
> From: spitlist at cox.net
> To: n197tr4 at cs.com; Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com; rocky at spitfire4.com
> CC: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO
>
> I used to receive their catalogues bu their prices always seemed incredibly
high and I never bought anything from them because of that.
>
> Joe C.
>
>
> ---- Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
> > Other than some other similar remarks, this is the first that PAECO has
come
> > up in a long time.
> >
> > I have not (knowingly) bought anything from them, so I have nothing to
say.
> >
> > Does any one have anything specific to say about them?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> > A. R. E.
> > 645 1st Street
> > Jesup, Iowa 50648
> > 319.464.4711 (cell)
> > n197tr4 at cs.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tylerpthompson <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
> > To: Rocky Entriken <rocky at spitfire4.com>
> > Cc: <fot at autox.team.net> <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Thu, Apr 12, 2012 5:14 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
> >
> >
> > There web site is up. The cam was in the car (TR4) when I bought it so I
> > really don't know much else about it.
> >
> > Thx
> >
> > Ty
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> > (Please excuse any errors or typos)
> >
> > On Apr 12, 2012, at 4:00 PM, "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
wrote:
> >
> > > Migawd, is Paeco even still in business? First thing I'd do, if Paeco
> > ground
> > the cam, is check the cam to be sure it is the correct specs. (If they're
> > selling you someone else's cam, I'd not worry as much.)
> > >
> > > I could tell you multiple horror stories about dealing with Paeco, none
of
> > them good. To the end I ceased doing business with them years ago.
> > >
> > > While you don't say what car your cam is in, the Rick Cline cam in my
> > Spitfire has clearances of .022/.024 hot.
> > >
> > > --Rocky Entriken
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
> > > To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:04 PM
> > > Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
> > >
> > >
> > >> My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam. The cam card calls for a .014
> > intake/.016
> > >> exhaust valve lash. A little looser than stock, but not by much. I
know
> > >> folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
> > >> clearances may be a bit too tight.
> > >>
> > >> That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain
nameless
> > (I
> > >> don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this
> > question)
> > >> he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a
hot
> > >> motor after a race. We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is
an
> > >> optimum clearance we should be shooting for. Just a thought in case my
> > valve
> > >> lash is too tight.
> > >>
> > >> Appreciate your input..
> > >>
> > >> Thx
> > >>
> > >> Ty
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Thu Apr 12 17:48:10 2012
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:48:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 6 Cylinder Heads
Message-ID: <4F8769BA.2000102@pobox.com>

I'm still working on the specs for my warmed up TR250. I have received 
conflicting opinions as to which head is better. The early US spec heads 
had smaller ports than the PI heads and the later carb heads.  Does 
anyone have any firm data, e.g. flow data or dyno data, to support the 
superiority of one head over the other?  Kas did the 128 mph 
demonstration using a mildly modified TR250 with small port head.
Larry Young


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Apr 12 18:39:30 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 20:39:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
Message-ID: <8CEE72505E39AC5-1F80-150F4@webmail-m103.sysops.aol.com>

 A short review of PAECO website:

Might be worth a trip through it just for entertainment.

They might have some interesting stuff on the shelf, including some Titanium
parts.

There's a GT6 CRANKSHAFT sitting on the shelf at a seemingly good
price...'internet specia'l.

Prices seem mostly high, but that might be just me.

I heard one very disastrous FOT engine story from several years ago, that was
simply wrong in all respects. But most of us have our own favorite engine
builders close by, anyway.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From kaskas at cox.net  Thu Apr 12 20:00:48 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 02:00:48 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 6 Cylinder Heads
In-Reply-To: <4F8769BA.2000102@pobox.com>
References: <4F8769BA.2000102@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W27336921EAFBA9EA742907DF3B0@phx.gbl>

Remember that that speed was an AVERAGE at Daytona. It was all original stock
TR-250 material before the car was introduced to the public.

Never be beaten by equipment
 > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:48:10 -0500
> From: cartravel at pobox.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] 6 Cylinder Heads
>
> I'm still working on the specs for my warmed up TR250. I have received
> conflicting opinions as to which head is better. The early US spec heads
> had smaller ports than the PI heads and the later carb heads.  Does
> anyone have any firm data, e.g. flow data or dyno data, to support the
> superiority of one head over the other?  Kas did the 128 mph
> demonstration using a mildly modified TR250 with small port head.
> Larry Young
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Apr 12 20:09:57 2012
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 21:09:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GT6 front corners/brakes
Message-ID: <203C6BB7DB7E46B89DCA733314E785FF@rocky>

So, does anybody just happen to have a GT6 parts car or hulk sitting around
with front corners intact?

Mainly I'm looking to upgrade my Spitfire disc brakes and I'm told I want to
hang GT6 corners on the car. Don't need the shocks, A-arms optional, but
everything else.

Should you have such you're willing to part with, gimme a shout.

--Rocky Entriken


From gp89 at charter.net  Thu Apr 12 20:44:48 2012
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 22:44:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
Message-ID: <7506d8d1.2b79b.136a996b82d.Webtop.46@charter.net>

My experience with them was less than poor. I had a Paeco built engine 
in my first Spit. Lots of bad reviews.
  Jeff Senty


On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Joe Alexander wrote:

> A short review of PAECO website:
>
> Might be worth a trip through it just for entertainment.
>
> They might have some interesting stuff on the shelf, including some 
> Titanium
> parts.
>
> There's a GT6 CRANKSHAFT sitting on the shelf at a seemingly good
> price...'internet specia'l.
>
> Prices seem mostly high, but that might be just me.
>
> I heard one very disastrous FOT engine story from several years ago, 
> that was
> simply wrong in all respects. But most of us have our own favorite 
> engine
> builders close by, anyway.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Fri Apr 13 07:37:15 2012
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:37:15 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
Message-ID: <20120413.093715.17533.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com>

Tyler, it was always my understanding that valve lash should be set while the
engine is hot.  You want the specified lash while the engine is running at
operating temperature and the closest way to get that is with a hot engine.

I think some of my earlier cams had lash of 14 and 16, but as the cams got
bigger the lash got bigger.  Yes with bigger clearances you lose some total
lift, but with bigger clearances the valve opens more suddenly and sometimes
engines respond the that.  Bigger lash is also harsher on the valve train as
the parts are moving faster when they come together. Trying different
clearances on a dyno would best determine what the engine wants.  Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
To: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:04:26 -0600

My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014 intake/.016
exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
clearances may be a bit too tight.

That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless (I
don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this question)
he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my valve
lash is too tight.

Appreciate your input..

Thx

Ty


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From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 13 12:08:22 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:08:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
In-Reply-To: <7506d8d1.2b79b.136a996b82d.Webtop.46@charter.net>
References: <7506d8d1.2b79b.136a996b82d.Webtop.46@charter.net>
Message-ID: <1334340502.67389.YahooMailNeo@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I saw a flywheel for a TR6 made by them back in the early nineties that was
made from some sort of soft aluminum. The ring gear was loose (before it was
even installed on the car) and it was a loose fit on the crankshaft. I Told
the guy to send it back and find another source. 
Mike

From: Jeff Senty
<gp89 at charter.net>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> 
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO

My experience
with them was less than poor. I had a Paeco built engine in my first Spit.
Lots of bad reviews.
Jeff Senty


On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Joe
Alexander wrote:

> A short review of PAECO website:
> 
> Might be worth a
trip through it just for entertainment.
> 
> They might have some interesting
stuff on the shelf, including some Titanium
> parts.
> 
> There's a GT6
CRANKSHAFT sitting on the shelf at a seemingly good
> price...'internet
specia'l.
> 
> Prices seem mostly high, but that might be just me.
> 
> I
heard one very disastrous FOT engine story from several years ago, that was
>
simply wrong in all respects. But most of us have our own favorite engine
>
builders close by, anyway.
> 
> 
> 
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st
Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 13 13:29:08 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 21:29:08 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
In-Reply-To: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>
References: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001301cd19ab$b3d51280$1b7f3780$@com>

I did a lot of measurements between cold and hot engine but didn't find any
difference except burned fingers.
For my part I set it cold. It might be a difference with an aluminum engine
but with a cast iron engine it seems quite constant.

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. April 2012 04:04
An: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot

My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014
intake/.016
exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
clearances may be a bit too tight.

That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless
(I
don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this
question)
he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my
valve
lash is too tight.

Appreciate your input..

Thx

Ty


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From riverside at southslope.net  Fri Apr 13 14:44:44 2012
From: riverside at southslope.net (riverside at southslope.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:44:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
In-Reply-To: <1334340502.67389.YahooMailNeo@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <7506d8d1.2b79b.136a996b82d.Webtop.46@charter.net>
	<1334340502.67389.YahooMailNeo@web46115.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0BF980A577524B4AAD70897984CF686A@rileyPC>

I bought some totally unusable  TR3 intake valves
back in 1970.  Never heard a good word.  I'd put that cam in a cam Dr. and 
have all lobes hardness checked
and if all is well still be scared stiff.

art de armond

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Munson
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 1:08 PM
To: Jeff Senty ; Joe Alexander
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO

I saw a flywheel for a TR6 made by them back in the early nineties that was
made from some sort of soft aluminum. The ring gear was loose (before it was
even installed on the car) and it was a loose fit on the crankshaft. I Told
the guy to send it back and find another source.
Mike

From: Jeff Senty
<gp89 at charter.net>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO

My experience
with them was less than poor. I had a Paeco built engine in my first Spit.
Lots of bad reviews.
Jeff Senty


On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Joe
Alexander wrote:

> A short review of PAECO website:
>
> Might be worth a
trip through it just for entertainment.
>
> They might have some interesting
stuff on the shelf, including some Titanium
> parts.
>
> There's a GT6
CRANKSHAFT sitting on the shelf at a seemingly good
> price...'internet
specia'l.
>
> Prices seem mostly high, but that might be just me.
>
> I
heard one very disastrous FOT engine story from several years ago, that was
>
simply wrong in all respects. But most of us have our own favorite engine
>
builders close by, anyway.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st
Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
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From mdporter at dfn.com  Fri Apr 13 19:27:12 2012
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:27:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
In-Reply-To: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>
References: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4F88D270.6050407@dfn.com>

On 4/11/2012 8:04 PM, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:
> My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014 intake/.016
> exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
> folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
> clearances may be a bit too tight.
>
> That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless (I
> don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this question)
> he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
> motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
> optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my valve
> lash is too tight.
>
>

I'm kind of surprised Larry Young hasn't weighed in on this one.  Here's 
his Tilden Tech page on valve lash:

http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tip_Lash.html

Larry does make a point about the difference between opening quickly and 
acceleration (i.e., the two are not equivalent).

As for lash hot/cold, it's a lot easier to get uniform settings doing it 
cold, if only because one has to move like the bejesus to get (in the 
case of a 6-cyl.) twelve valves adjusted while the engine's still hot, 
and there's always the worry that the engine will cool enough that some 
will end up being too loose. It's fine to /check/ them hot against the 
cold settings, and calculate the best cold setting.  As for any uniform 
rules, engine to engine, about them getting tighter or looser with 
temperature, or by how much, I doubt it.  When I was doing a lot of 
air-cooled VW engines, it occurred to me that a stock cold lash of 
0.006" didn't seem like much, given how hot the exhaust valves ran 
(thinking that the stems would grow quite a bit).  Not so.  The heads 
got a good deal taller, and the hot lash was ~ 0.016".  All-iron 
engines, on average, probably grow less, because the coefficient of 
expansion is ~ 1/4 that of aluminum.

Another tip on the lash is to have a really critical eye about the 
rocker noses. Even though they're hardened, they have a tendency to 
pound down after a while, and if there's even the slightest cupping, 
you'll find it nearly impossible to get the lash right with an ordinary 
shim stock gauge.

Cheers.


-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Fri Apr 13 19:34:36 2012
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:34:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
References: <7506d8d1.2b79b.136a996b82d.Webtop.46@charter.net>
Message-ID: <EE9196C212534AADA147ED40D634C5D2@rocky>

Let's see. My PAECO Spitfire "full race" engine:

. Layers of oil-soaked dirt in the oil pan
. Wrong front plate (TR4 plate, which lacked the engine mounts)
. Burr in #1 lifter hole caused stuck lifter and broken cam immediately on 
trying to drive the car
. Engine sent back to PAECO for warranty fix, it was returned with the burr 
still there.
. Engine shipped back and returned at my expense, shipping an engine ain't 
cheap, PAECO refused to cover the cost
. PAECO shipped the engine back freight collect declaring weight to be 
double the actual, adding $200 to shipping cost.
. Valve springs -- all the inners and couple of outers broke within half a 
season of autocross.
. One valve spring bit got into the oil pump, breaking it.
. When compression ratio was checked by another mechanic, my "13:1" engine 
measured at 10.69:1.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Senty" <gp89 at charter.net>
To: "Joe Alexander" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO


> My experience with them was less than poor. I had a Paeco built engine in 
> my first Spit. Lots of bad reviews.
>  Jeff Senty
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Joe Alexander wrote:
>
>> A short review of PAECO website:
>>
>> Might be worth a trip through it just for entertainment.
>>
>> They might have some interesting stuff on the shelf, including some 
>> Titanium
>> parts.
>>
>> There's a GT6 CRANKSHAFT sitting on the shelf at a seemingly good
>> price...'internet specia'l.
>>
>> Prices seem mostly high, but that might be just me.
>>
>> I heard one very disastrous FOT engine story from several years ago, that 
>> was
>> simply wrong in all respects. But most of us have our own favorite engine
>> builders close by, anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe Alexander
>> A. R. E.
>> 645 1st Street
>> Jesup, Iowa 50648
>> 319.464.4711  (cell)
>> n197tr4 at cs.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 13 20:19:44 2012
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?dHlsZXJwdGhvbXBzb25AeWFob28uY29t?=)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:19:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Valve_Lash_While_Engine_is_Hot?=
Message-ID: <242651.32520.bm@smtp202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Thanks Michael.  Very informative. 

Ty. 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Michael Porter" <mdporter at dfn.com>
To: "Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com" <Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com>
Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:27 pm
On 4/11/2012 8:04 PM, Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com wrote:

My engine has a Paeco TR-6600 cam.  The cam card calls for a .014 intake/.016
exhaust valve lash.  A little looser than stock, but not by much.  I know
folks running larger clearances on the hotter cams and wonder if these
clearances may be a bit too tight.

That said, In talking with a fellow racer tonight who will remain nameless (I
don't want to name him in case I get a lot of back "lash" from this question)
he thought I should ask the FOT group if anyone has measured lash on a hot
motor after a race.  We expect it to be tighter, and perhaps there is an
optimum clearance we should be shooting for.  Just a thought in case my valve
lash is too tight.






I'm kind of surprised Larry Young hasn't weighed in on this one. 
Here's his Tilden Tech page on valve lash:



http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tip_Lash.html



Larry does make a point about the difference between opening quickly
and acceleration (i.e., the two are not equivalent).



As for lash hot/cold, it's a lot easier to get uniform settings
doing it cold, if only because one has to move like the bejesus to
get (in the case of a 6-cyl.) twelve valves adjusted while the
engine's still hot, and there's always the worry that the engine
will cool enough that some will end up being too loose. It's fine to
check them hot against the cold settings, and calculate the
best cold setting.  As for any uniform rules, engine to engine,
about them getting tighter or looser with temperature, or by how
much, I doubt it.  When I was doing a lot of air-cooled VW engines,
it occurred to me that a stock cold lash of 0.006" didn't seem like
much, given how hot the exhaust valves ran (thinking that the stems
would grow quite a bit).  Not so.  The heads got a good deal taller,
and the hot lash was ~ 0.016".  All-iron engines, on average,
probably grow less, because the coefficient of expansion is ~ 1/4
that of aluminum.  



Another tip on the lash is to have a really critical eye about the
rocker noses. Even though they're hardened, they have a tendency to
pound down after a while, and if there's even the slightest cupping,
you'll find it nearly impossible to get the lash right with an
ordinary shim stock gauge.



Cheers.





-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....


From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 13 20:20:52 2012
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?dHlsZXJwdGhvbXBzb25AeWFob28uY29t?=)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:20:52 -0600
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?PAECO?=
Message-ID: <244078.76517.bm@smtp215.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I am going to get another cam!

Ty

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Rocky Entriken" <rocky at spitfire4.com>
To: "Jeff Senty" <gp89 at charter.net>, "Joe Alexander" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
Date: Fri, Apr 13, 2012 7:34 pm


Let's see. My PAECO Spitfire "full race" engine:

. Layers of oil-soaked dirt in the oil pan
. Wrong front plate (TR4 plate, which lacked the engine mounts)
. Burr in #1 lifter hole caused stuck lifter and broken cam immediately on 
trying to drive the car
. Engine sent back to PAECO for warranty fix, it was returned with the burr 
still there.
. Engine shipped back and returned at my expense, shipping an engine ain't 
cheap, PAECO refused to cover the cost
. PAECO shipped the engine back freight collect declaring weight to be 
double the actual, adding $200 to shipping cost.
. Valve springs -- all the inners and couple of outers broke within half a 
season of autocross.
. One valve spring bit got into the oil pump, breaking it.
. When compression ratio was checked by another mechanic, my "13:1" engine 
measured at 10.69:1.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Senty" <gp89 at charter.net>
To: "Joe Alexander" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO


> My experience with them was less than poor. I had a Paeco built engine in 
> my first Spit. Lots of bad reviews.
>  Jeff Senty
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Joe Alexander wrote:
>
>> A short review of PAECO website:
>>
>> Might be worth a trip through it just for entertainment.
>>
>> They might have some interesting stuff on the shelf, including some 
>> Titanium
>> parts.
>>
>> There's a GT6 CRANKSHAFT sitting on the shelf at a seemingly good
>> price...'internet specia'l.
>>
>> Prices seem mostly high, but that might be just me.
>>
>> I heard one very disastrous FOT engine story from several years ago, that 
>> was
>> simply wrong in all respects. But most of us have our own favorite engine
>> builders close by, anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe Alexander
>> A. R. E.
>> 645 1st Street
>> Jesup, Iowa 50648
>> 319.464.4711  (cell)
>> n197tr4 at cs.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Fri Apr 13 21:13:44 2012
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 22:13:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] VTR South Central Regional
Message-ID: <955E4D4B-4857-4767-9257-A868796FCFD9@aol.com>

Just a reminder that the 28th annual VTR South Central Regional is happening
on April 26-28 in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma.  For more information see our web
site at:
www.greencountrytriumphs.com
Or contact me.  Surely EVERYBODY isn't going to the Mitty!  And I mean VTR
reps too ;-)


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Sat Apr 14 09:05:27 2012
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 11:05:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup shirts
Message-ID: <4F899237.7030502@bright.net>

Hello list.  Thanks for a great response to the Kastner Cup shirts. We 
printed only the amount that were ordered - no extras. There have been 
some requests for additional shirts.  So, if there
is enough interest, we will do an additional print run of shirts. This 
is a one time only print run.  Due to the number we printed on the first 
run, we were able to keep the cost down. Shirt prices will be higher 
than previous run due to lower volume and set-up expense. We need a 
minimum 36 piece order to do another run.  Prices will be $15 Small - 
X-Large; $17 for XXL.  If we have eough orders to run 48 or more, price 
goes down by $1 per shirt.  Pictures of  shirt are attached.

There is a possiblity that we could have them done in time for pick at 
Road Atlanta.  A go/no go date for ordering is close of business this 
coming Wednesday, April 18.
Please call or email with your order. All contact information is on the 
signature line of this email.
Thanks for your time and support. Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US&  Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_0735.JPG]

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_0736.JPG]


From REK46 at aol.com  Sat Apr 14 10:26:21 2012
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 12:26:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] stud size
Message-ID: <36fa.87e9aa4.3cbaff2d@aol.com>

what is thread size and length for the stock GT-6 or TR-6  headstuds?


From mnewman at embarqmail.com  Sat Apr 14 11:30:56 2012
From: mnewman at embarqmail.com (William T newman)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 13:30:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Hardtop
Message-ID: <679044226.1889396.1334424656370.JavaMail.root@md23.embarq.synacor.com>

I have a factory steel hardtop for a Spitfire MkIV or 1500 for sale. It has the original paint in red (no rust), all glass is intact and the headliner is in place with a few small tears. The top is in the Ft. Myers, Florida area, but I can bring it to the Mitty if anyone is serious about buying it. I will let it go for $400. Please contact me off list if interested.

Bill Newman
#44 GT6


From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Apr 14 12:09:47 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 12:09:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>

Edward Dunn wrote:
> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
> question that may have already been answered.
>
>

Yes.  When you click on the archive link in the emails, you should
get to the top level page.  It would be nice if it were set up so that
one could search multiple lists at a time, but that isn't currently
available.

You have to click on a list name, and the top level page for that
list should have a search box near the top.

And on a side note if you click on the ads displayed on the archive
pages a couple of pennies goes into Team.Net's coffers and costs
you nothing.  If a few hundred people out of the thousands on all
the lists did that every day, I could do away with the annual fund
drive.


mjb.


From goodparts at verizon.net  Sat Apr 14 12:51:36 2012
From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 14:51:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] stud size
In-Reply-To: <36fa.87e9aa4.3cbaff2d@aol.com>
References: <36fa.87e9aa4.3cbaff2d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5ABB87B2BCD44B26BF1C2F067AD0158A@AdminPC>

7/16-20 x 4.82"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <REK46 at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:26 PM
Subject: [Fot] stud size


> what is thread size and length for the stock GT-6 or TR-6  headstuds?
> _______________________________________________


From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Sat Apr 14 13:22:35 2012
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 15:22:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <7E83E769-0F7D-4741-AEC3-5E3640E1BD1E@aol.com>

I didn't realize that clicking the ads add some pennies to our coffers. 

Now I will go out of my way and try to do it as much as I can

Thank you

Chris

On Apr 14, 2012, at 2:09 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

> Edward Dunn wrote:
>> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking a
>> question that may have already been answered.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Yes.  When you click on the archive link in the emails, you should
> get to the top level page.  It would be nice if it were set up so that
> one could search multiple lists at a time, but that isn't currently
> available.
> 
> You have to click on a list name, and the top level page for that
> list should have a search box near the top.
> 
> And on a side note if you click on the ads displayed on the archive
> pages a couple of pennies goes into Team.Net's coffers and costs
> you nothing.  If a few hundred people out of the thousands on all
> the lists did that every day, I could do away with the annual fund
> drive.
> 
> 
> mjb.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> 
> http://www.fot-racing.com
> 
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From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Sat Apr 14 13:34:49 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 12:34:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

No ads on any screen I see.  Just gray on the right side...

Ed




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:10 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue

Edward Dunn wrote:
> First, is there a search function in the archives, etc? I hate asking
> a question that may have already been answered.
>
>

Yes.  When you click on the archive link in the emails, you should get to the
top level page.  It would be nice if it were set up so that one could search
multiple lists at a time, but that isn't currently available.

You have to click on a list name, and the top level page for that list should
have a search box near the top.

And on a side note if you click on the ads displayed on the archive pages a
couple of pennies goes into Team.Net's coffers and costs you nothing.  If a
few hundred people out of the thousands on all the lists did that every day, I
could do away with the annual fund drive.


mjb.
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Apr 14 15:38:25 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 14:38:25 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Starter problem / Clutch issue
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local><4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
	<36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <079001cd1a86$ecbe0b70$0601a8c0@randall>

> No ads on any screen I see.  Just gray on the right side...

Ditto, even after disabling the ad-blocker plug-in.

-- Randall  


From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Apr 14 18:08:05 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:08:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
In-Reply-To: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
	<36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
Message-ID: <4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>

When you go to http://www.team.net/archive/fot you should see
something like http://www.team.net/images/archive_page.png

Is this not happening for some folks?

mjb.


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Apr 14 18:29:24 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 19:29:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
In-Reply-To: <4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
	<36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.63.1638252568.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

I have a Moss ad when I go there...  (Using IE 8)

Tony

At 07:08 PM 4/14/2012, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
>When you go to http://www.team.net/archive/fot you should see
>something like http://www.team.net/images/archive_page.png
>
>Is this not happening for some folks?
>
>mjb.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Apr 14 18:48:01 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:48:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
In-Reply-To: <4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local><4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <8CEE8B88B2275E2-1D38-3341@webmail-m138.sysops.aol.com>

 i got a VISTAPRINT ad



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: FoT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Apr 14, 2012 7:06 pm
Subject: [Fot] Archives?


When you go to http://www.team.net/archive/fot you should see
something like http://www.team.net/images/archive_page.png

Is this not happening for some folks?

mjb.
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Sat Apr 14 19:19:24 2012
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:19:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
In-Reply-To: <8CEE8B88B2275E2-1D38-3341@webmail-m138.sysops.aol.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local><4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local><4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
	<8CEE8B88B2275E2-1D38-3341@webmail-m138.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CEE8BCED29842B-2074-1376E@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com>

 I got a UTI Nascar Ad



Bob T





-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: mark <mark at bradakis.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Apr 14, 2012 8:53 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Archives?


 i got a VISTAPRINT ad







Joe Alexander

A. R. E.

645 1st Street

Jesup, Iowa 50648

319.464.4711  (cell)

n197tr4 at cs.com











-----Original Message-----

From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>

To: FoT Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>

Sent: Sat, Apr 14, 2012 7:06 pm

Subject: [Fot] Archives?





When you go to http://www.team.net/archive/fot you should see

something like http://www.team.net/images/archive_page.png



Is this not happening for some folks?



mjb.

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Apr 14 22:01:34 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:01:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
In-Reply-To: <8CEE8BCED29842B-2074-1376E@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local><4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local><4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
	<8CEE8B88B2275E2-1D38-3341@webmail-m138.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CEE8BCED29842B-2074-1376E@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4F8A481E.6060108@bradakis.com>

Sounds like folks are getting the right stuff for the most part, except
for those who's settings are having an effect at there end.

I'm bummed about missing the Mitty.

mjb.


From rjl at gt-classics.com  Sun Apr 15 03:28:03 2012
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 05:28:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
In-Reply-To: <4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
	<36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4F8A94A3.7010004@gt-classics.com>

I don't get an image, but I do get links to three ads.

I'm using Firefox 11.0

John

On 4/14/2012 8:08 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> When you go to http://www.team.net/archive/fot you should see
> something like http://www.team.net/images/archive_page.png
>
> Is this not happening for some folks?
>
> mjb.
> _______________________________________________
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>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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>

-- 
Thanks,
R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net


From BillDentin at aol.com  Sun Apr 15 11:45:25 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 13:45:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Parts need (for the MITTY)...
Message-ID: <57a7.41fdd394.3cbc6335@aol.com>

Amici...

In order to run the MITTY...I need to find an early GIRLING B LEFT HAND 
FRONT BRAKE CALIPER (the casting, I have all of the other necessary 
components).  The seat in mine for the bleed nipple is finally compromised.   It will 
no longer seat the bleed nipple.  I am still running the original rotors and 
calipers on a fifty-five year old race car (the warranty has probably 
expired). 

In the MOSS catalogue this is the one piece, Exhibit A on their TR2-4 Brake 
page.  Does someone have one (useable) they would sell and ship to me ASAP?

Bill Dentinger


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Sun Apr 15 12:48:35 2012
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 14:48:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kasatner Cup t.shirt
Message-ID: <4F8B1803.4000103@bright.net>

Hello lists, again. We sent out an email about doing another run of 
Kastner Cup t.shirts.  The email lists strip photos from emails so a 
friend was good enough to post the pictures on his personal web site. A 
link to the pictures is attached along with a copy of our original 
email. Thanks for your time and  indulgence. Ted

http://littlebluespitfire.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=6612

Hello lists. Triumph is the featured marque at the upcoming Walter Mitty
vintage races at Road Atlanta. This event is also featuring a special
all Triumph race and the Grand Marshall is "Kas"Kastner. Kas was the
founder and head of the US Triumph Competition Department.  He wrote the
Competition Preparation manuals that served as the bible for generations
of Triumph racers.   "FOT", group of TR racers, along with Kas started
the Kastner Cup award 10 years ago. Awarded by Kas and to his own
personal criteria, this is a prestigious honor for any TR racer.
We did a production run Kastner Cup T.shirts for the FOT group. The
response has been excellent and another, small run of shirts is being
considered.  Some of the proceeds go to FOT to fund things like helping
with travel expense for honored guests, promoting FOT event involvement
and more.



So, if there is enough interest, we will do an additional print run of
shirts. This is a one time only print run.  Due to the number we printed
on the first run, we were able to keep the cost down. Shirt prices will
be higher than previous run due to lower volume and set-up expense. We
need a minimum 36 piece order to do another run.  Prices will be $15 for
Small - X-Large; $17 for XXL.  If we have eough orders to run 48 or
more, price goes down by $1 per shirt.  Pictures of  shirt are attached.
If the images ares stripped, plesae email me and we will send directly
to you.


There is a possibility that we could have them done in time for pick at
Road Atlanta.  A go/no go date for ordering is close of business this
coming Wednesday, April 18. Please call or email with your order.
All contact information is on the signature line of this email.

Thanks for your time and support. Ted




Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. 
Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From horizonracing at msn.com  Sun Apr 15 13:38:06 2012
From: horizonracing at msn.com (horizonracing at msn.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 12:38:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Parts need (for the MITTY)...
In-Reply-To: <57a7.41fdd394.3cbc6335@aol.com>
References: <57a7.41fdd394.3cbc6335@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP116BF79CE0DFDBE0B72431AB2390@phx.gbl>

That can be repaired. There is availble, a 1/8 npt fitting with a bleeder. 
Good luck
TG

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

-----Original message-----
From: BillDentin at aol.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, Apr 15, 2012 10:45:25 PDT
Subject: [Fot] Parts need (for the MITTY)...

Amici...

In order to run the MITTY...I need to find an early GIRLING B LEFT HAND 
FRONT BRAKE CALIPER (the casting, I have all of the other necessary 
components).  The seat in mine for the bleed nipple is finally compromised.   
 It will 
no longer seat the bleed nipple.  I am still running the original rotors and  

calipers on a fifty-five year old race car (the warranty has probably 
expired). 

In the MOSS catalogue this is the one piece, Exhibit A on their TR2-4 Brake 
page.  Does someone have one (useable) they would sell and ship to me ASAP?

Bill Dentinger
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fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Sun Apr 15 15:03:16 2012
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 16:03:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local><4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com><36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <993407804BC049A698E0601B606FDB10@rocky>

I got a download button for an mplayer. Using IE8. The status bar at the 
bottom says the link is to googleads.g.doubleclick.net/ with a bunch of 
garble code after the backslash.

But below that was the search capability for team.net fot archives.

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
To: "FoT Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 7:08 PM
Subject: [Fot] Archives?


> When you go to http://www.team.net/archive/fot you should see
> something like http://www.team.net/images/archive_page.png
>
> Is this not happening for some folks?
>
> mjb.
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/rocky at spitfire4.com


From billdentin at aol.com  Sun Apr 15 17:23:17 2012
From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:23:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Early TR3 Brake Caliper...
Message-ID: <8CEE975DF97DEE9-1A0C-1BE9A@webmail-m040.sysops.aol.com>

Amici...

Thanks to all who stepped forward with ideas and offers.  Bob Kramer has a set
of early TR3 brake calipers he will ship to me tomorrow.

Glen Efinger (and several others) also recommended a 'common fix' that is
available, involving a hollow bolt, with a seat that receives a bleeder
nipple.  That should work too, and PEGASUS (a couple of miles from my house)
has them in their catalog.

Thanks again, to one and all.

Bill Dentinger


From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Apr 16 09:19:35 2012
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:19:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Valve Lash While Engine is Hot
In-Reply-To: <4F88D270.6050407@dfn.com>
References: <70F4C797-43C5-4895-8F68-FFD49FF1D44B@yahoo.com>
	<4F88D270.6050407@dfn.com>
Message-ID: <4F8C3887.5040604@pobox.com>

 From some of these discussions, it seems that people think all cams 
have the same ramp design, which is not true.  We just recently had a 
discussion that the valve should open and close at the point where the 
lift curve starts to take off (see link below).   You can make small 
variations from this for tuning purposes, but you have to be careful.  I 
once ran too much lash on a very aggressive cam.  It ran like a demon, 
but not for long.  The result was a broken rocker shaft and 5 bent 
pushrods.  As for hot or cold settings.  I have not done any systematic 
measurements, but have not found a big difference for our engines.
Larry


On 4/13/2012 8:27 PM, Michael Porter wrote:

I'm kind of surprised Larry Young hasn't weighed in on this one.  Here's
his Tilden Tech page on valve lash:

http://www.tildentechnologies.com/Cams/Tip_Lash.html


From craigl at leinickegroup.com  Mon Apr 16 14:47:21 2012
From: craigl at leinickegroup.com (Craig Leinicke)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:47:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7 on the DYNO
Message-ID: <CBB1EF89.C50A%craigl@leinickegroup.com>

Here is a brief video I put together of our best pull on the dyno.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, the car made 108.2 hp at the rear wheels
at 5,400rpm and 120 ft lbs torque at just over 3,750 rpm.
While everyone else is preparing for the Mitty, we are getting ready to run
the inaugural East Coast Timing Association Event at Wilmington, Ohio, April
28-29. This is by far the happiest set of 8 valves and 4 pistons I've ever
had.

http://youtu.be/RA69tYB6efQ

Best of luck to all at the Mitty.
Craig
Flashback Racing


From markvaden at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 16:40:50 2012
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:40:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wheels
Message-ID: <CAExoegkE3gJtJewjeFuw+oe28Yh+Zzk8eEJpNXOvG24Z5SaMEA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has a spare set of wheels they would like to
sell. I am looking for panasports or something equivalent for my racing
TR4A.

Also I have some 70s era mag wheels - I have heard that you can have these
checked to see if they are safe to race? Is this true? And if so does
anyone know of a place in socal that could do this?

-Mark


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Tue Apr 17 17:06:51 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:06:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wheels
In-Reply-To: <CAExoegkE3gJtJewjeFuw+oe28Yh+Zzk8eEJpNXOvG24Z5SaMEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAExoegkE3gJtJewjeFuw+oe28Yh+Zzk8eEJpNXOvG24Z5SaMEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5DC07E5A-F17D-4B5C-A46D-94BCE4AC643B@austin.rr.com>

Mark
I'd sell you a set of 15x6 Superlites, (look like Panssports) because I have
my eye on the new Silverstone replica wheels being sold on Ebay. Have you seen
them?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2012, at 5:40 PM, Mark Vaden <markvaden at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has a spare set of wheels they would like to
> sell. I am looking for panasports or something equivalent for my racing
> TR4A.
>
> Also I have some 70s era mag wheels - I have heard that you can have these
> checked to see if they are safe to race? Is this true? And if so does
> anyone know of a place in socal that could do this?
>
> -Mark
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From craigl at leinickegroup.com  Tue Apr 17 17:15:17 2012
From: craigl at leinickegroup.com (Craig Leinicke)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 18:15:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Wheels
In-Reply-To: <CAExoegkE3gJtJewjeFuw+oe28Yh+Zzk8eEJpNXOvG24Z5SaMEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAExoegkE3gJtJewjeFuw+oe28Yh+Zzk8eEJpNXOvG24Z5SaMEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F6C6BCFD-36CC-4EE8-9A81-A056785CB9AF@leinickegroup.com>

Hello Mark and Group.
I was going to offer the group a vintage 1984 set of 4 Comp Motive 3 piece
wheels for TR6 (TR4 etc) wheels were purchased had tires mounted but never
used. We have just reconditioned them including powder coating all 80 cap
screws. Wheels were recently sealed also. These come with a new set of 4 outer
pieces which create a narrower wheel. Price for everything $1,200 plus
shipping. Also vintage new Triumph center caps included.
Craig
FlashbackRacing
Wheels are in St. Louis
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2012, at 5:40 PM, Mark Vaden <markvaden at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has a spare set of wheels they would like to
> sell. I am looking for panasports or something equivalent for my racing
> TR4A.
>
> Also I have some 70s era mag wheels - I have heard that you can have these
> checked to see if they are safe to race? Is this true? And if so does
> anyone know of a place in socal that could do this?
>
> -Mark
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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> Unsubscribe:
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Tue Apr 17 19:21:12 2012
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:21:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Wheels
In-Reply-To: <CAExoegkE3gJtJewjeFuw+oe28Yh+Zzk8eEJpNXOvG24Z5SaMEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAExoegkE3gJtJewjeFuw+oe28Yh+Zzk8eEJpNXOvG24Z5SaMEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F8E1708.8040308@cfl.rr.com>

Mark,

I have a set of VTO Superlites 15x6 (Panasport and Minilite look alikes) 
unmounted new in the box. I was going to use them on my 1957 Sebring TR3 
but am searching for a more period correct set of wheels. Any interest 
at $180 each? I'm in Florida and will be at the Mitty.

Bob

On 4/17/12 6:40 PM, Mark Vaden wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if anyone has a spare set of wheels they would like to
> sell. I am looking for panasports or something equivalent for my racing
> TR4A.
>
> Also I have some 70s era mag wheels - I have heard that you can have these
> checked to see if they are safe to race? Is this true? And if so does
> anyone know of a place in socal that could do this?
>
> -Mark
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Apr 18 07:06:06 2012
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 08:06:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8C52@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Since we built my Spitfire in 2003, I've been using the stock clutch and
pressure plate.  Late last season, Mr. Barker did a head for me.   Since
then, I've had a little clutch slip.  This is a pretty new clutch plate,
but the pressure plate is of unknown age - has worked fine to date, but
everything wears out eventually, right?



Any thoughts on the cause?  Is it likely the increased torque/HP is just
overpowering the clutch?  The new motor should be putting out something
like 110-115HP, based on Mr. Barker's estimate.  Is that beyond what the
stock clutch can handle?



Options: (1) buy a new stock pressure plate and clutch disk and see how
it goes; (2) upgrade to some sort of competition clutch; or (3) get used
to that nasty clutch smell.  Other options I'm not considering?



I'd like to stay as close to stock as possible if I need to upgrade.



Any thoughts on upgrade options?



Scott B.


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 18 10:33:44 2012
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:33:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8C52@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8C52@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <437B5721-74CC-468D-82F4-11A86961D7A8@gmail.com>

Hi Scott,

The pressure plate springs can lose tension over time.  The situation with our
'71 Morgan Plus 8 was similar to yours -- an unknown vintage pressure plate
with a fairly new friction plate, but I was getting noticeable clutch slip in
3rd gear, even though the engine was worn and wheezy at the time.

Duncan
(Texas)
1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red


On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> Since we built my Spitfire in 2003, I've been using the stock clutch and
> pressure plate.  Late last season, Mr. Barker did a head for me.   Since
> then, I've had a little clutch slip.  This is a pretty new clutch plate,
> but the pressure plate is of unknown age - has worked fine to date, but
> everything wears out eventually, right?
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on the cause?  Is it likely the increased torque/HP is just
> overpowering the clutch?  The new motor should be putting out something
> like 110-115HP, based on Mr. Barker's estimate.  Is that beyond what the
> stock clutch can handle?
>
>
>
> Options: (1) buy a new stock pressure plate and clutch disk and see how
> it goes; (2) upgrade to some sort of competition clutch; or (3) get used
> to that nasty clutch smell.  Other options I'm not considering?
>
>
>
> I'd like to stay as close to stock as possible if I need to upgrade.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on upgrade options?
>
>
>
> Scott B.


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Apr 18 10:36:15 2012
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:36:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <437B5721-74CC-468D-82F4-11A86961D7A8@gmail.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8C52@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<437B5721-74CC-468D-82F4-11A86961D7A8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8C6E@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Thanks, Duncan.  That's what I'm hoping is going on, since I'd like to
retain the stock clutch set-up (or stock-ish, possibly).  I've gotten a
number of responses off-line with that suggestion.

Since that's the answer I like, I'm fairly sure they must be correct :-)

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:34 AM
To: Barr, Scott
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?

Hi Scott,

The pressure plate springs can lose tension over time.  The situation
with our '71 Morgan Plus 8 was similar to yours -- an unknown vintage
pressure plate with a fairly new friction plate, but I was getting
noticeable clutch slip in 3rd gear, even though the engine was worn and
wheezy at the time.

Duncan
(Texas)
1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red


On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> Since we built my Spitfire in 2003, I've been using the stock clutch
and
> pressure plate.  Late last season, Mr. Barker did a head for me.
Since
> then, I've had a little clutch slip.  This is a pretty new clutch
> plate, but the pressure plate is of unknown age - has worked fine to
> date, but everything wears out eventually, right?
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on the cause?  Is it likely the increased torque/HP is
> just overpowering the clutch?  The new motor should be putting out
> something like 110-115HP, based on Mr. Barker's estimate.  Is that
> beyond what the stock clutch can handle?
>
>
>
> Options: (1) buy a new stock pressure plate and clutch disk and see
> how it goes; (2) upgrade to some sort of competition clutch; or (3)
> get used to that nasty clutch smell.  Other options I'm not
considering?
>
>
>
> I'd like to stay as close to stock as possible if I need to upgrade.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on upgrade options?
>
>
>
> Scott B.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Apr 18 12:55:24 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:55:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Jack Wheeler    A  MITTY/KASTNER CUP HONORED GUEST
Message-ID: <8CEEBABF2A34C1A-1234-30E36@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>

 I heard from SCCA CHAMP JACK WHEELER this week. He is going to try very hard
to make it to the KASTNER CUP, in spite of some medical issues.

He would like to stay at the host hotel, but it is full. If there are any
cancellations, perhaps we can transfer the reservation to Jack.  Please let me
know.

Thanks



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Wed Apr 18 14:29:31 2012
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:29:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8C52@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <94F31164CDDD4C40B441873BF9D3B041@rocky>

For years I used a stock Spitfire clutch. After I began to upgrade the 
engine, the clutch seemed more stressed, including a couple of clutch disk 
failures -- shedding the facing material entirely and even twisting the 
center right out of the disk (which I did more than once). Obviously 
slipping was not the problem, but other forces were.

An easy fix turned out to be competition clutch disks that were solid in the 
center (not slotted, no springs). The only "problem" was learning to slip 
the clutch intentionally as it would grab immediately -- if revs weren't up 
it'd stall and kill the engine. Tricky driving it back on the trailer, for 
example, but eventually I learned how (or it would wear in enough to become 
easier).

--Rocky Entriken


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:06 AM
Subject: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?


> Since we built my Spitfire in 2003, I've been using the stock clutch and
> pressure plate.  Late last season, Mr. Barker did a head for me.   Since
> then, I've had a little clutch slip.  This is a pretty new clutch plate,
> but the pressure plate is of unknown age - has worked fine to date, but
> everything wears out eventually, right?
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on the cause?  Is it likely the increased torque/HP is just
> overpowering the clutch?  The new motor should be putting out something
> like 110-115HP, based on Mr. Barker's estimate.  Is that beyond what the
> stock clutch can handle?
>
>
>
> Options: (1) buy a new stock pressure plate and clutch disk and see how
> it goes; (2) upgrade to some sort of competition clutch; or (3) get used
> to that nasty clutch smell.  Other options I'm not considering?
>
>
>
> I'd like to stay as close to stock as possible if I need to upgrade.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on upgrade options?
>
>
>
> Scott B.
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Apr 18 20:44:17 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:44:17 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Archives?
In-Reply-To: <4F8F317C.3040508@blacksburg.net>
References: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3AE1@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F89BD6B.2070601@bradakis.com>
	<36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3B0A@TITAN.dwholdings.local>
	<4F8A1165.6060408@bradakis.com> <4F8F317C.3040508@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <4F8F7C01.3030904@bradakis.com>

This was part of a message sent to me regarding the Team.Net archives:

 > Works fine for me w/IE8 and Firefox, but the archives are way out of 
date;
 > we're losing good info forever, every day. :-(


The info is not lost.  It is being stored on the server.  What is not 
happening
is that the programs that process the daily mails and format and index for
the archive are not playing well together on the new server.

When I do get it all working properly again all the missing mail will be fed
into the process and become available, don't panic.

mjb.


From chasgee at aol.com  Thu Apr 19 02:36:12 2012
From: chasgee at aol.com (Chuck Gee)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 04:36:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <8CEEC1E9C5DF388-1210-57B6@webmail-d155.sysops.aol.com>

Work From Home 0pportunities
http://myshelf.in/httpso701kz.php?wyxpageID=53

            Thu, 19 Apr 2012 9:36:12
______________
"  Always" (c) brittony aethelisdun


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr 19 16:58:31 2012
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:58:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Road to Atlanta
Message-ID: <1334876311.86781.YahooMailRC@web181310.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

A  M  I  C  I

The final leg of my trip to Road Atlanta will be from Knoxville
Tennessee.
Does anyone have a good route that is more direct and less
frantic than the 
interstate?
...maybe through the Gainesville area.
Remember
I am pulling a trailer.

Thanks
Dennis DeLap


From walt at hot-tr6.com  Thu Apr 19 17:56:16 2012
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:56:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <94F31164CDDD4C40B441873BF9D3B041@rocky>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402AD8C52@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<94F31164CDDD4C40B441873BF9D3B041@rocky>
Message-ID: <000001cd1e88$030cf9e0$0926eda0$@hot-tr6.com>

I like having my clutch disc (including new ones) recovered with Kevlar.
Drag racers use this material and I find it hooks up fast and wears like
iron. I use it on my TR6 vintage racecar and I like it. It cost about $100
per application.
Walt Hollowell
Albuquerque, New Mexico

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Rocky Entriken
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:30 PM
To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?

For years I used a stock Spitfire clutch. After I began to upgrade the
engine, the clutch seemed more stressed, including a couple of clutch disk
failures -- shedding the facing material entirely and even twisting the
center right out of the disk (which I did more than once). Obviously
slipping was not the problem, but other forces were.

An easy fix turned out to be competition clutch disks that were solid in the
center (not slotted, no springs). The only "problem" was learning to slip
the clutch intentionally as it would grab immediately -- if revs weren't up
it'd stall and kill the engine. Tricky driving it back on the trailer, for
example, but eventually I learned how (or it would wear in enough to become
easier).

--Rocky Entriken


----- Original Message -----
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:06 AM
Subject: [Fot] Clutch suggestions?


> Since we built my Spitfire in 2003, I've been using the stock clutch and
> pressure plate.  Late last season, Mr. Barker did a head for me.   Since
> then, I've had a little clutch slip.  This is a pretty new clutch plate,
> but the pressure plate is of unknown age - has worked fine to date, but
> everything wears out eventually, right?
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on the cause?  Is it likely the increased torque/HP is just
> overpowering the clutch?  The new motor should be putting out something
> like 110-115HP, based on Mr. Barker's estimate.  Is that beyond what the
> stock clutch can handle?
>
>
>
> Options: (1) buy a new stock pressure plate and clutch disk and see how
> it goes; (2) upgrade to some sort of competition clutch; or (3) get used
> to that nasty clutch smell.  Other options I'm not considering?
>
>
>
> I'd like to stay as close to stock as possible if I need to upgrade.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on upgrade options?
>
>
>
> Scott B.
> _______________________________________________
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>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 19 19:25:46 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:25:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
Message-ID: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>

Just finishing up the final touches of a 7 month restoration of the Spitfire
getting ready to head South next week. Down to the point of adjusting hood
stops and stupid stuff like that. Ok, now the hard stuff. I THINK I JUST BLEW
THE ENGINE TONIGHT #$^%&!!.  Actually had it running in the driveway and it
was sounding fan frickin tastic, Playing with the carbs, timing, checking for
leaks, all is right with the world. Backed it in the garage and blipped the
throttle one more time and WIDE OPEN THROTTLE! Frantically stomped the gas one
time to see if it would free up. I know that is not what I should have done
first but in the spur of the moment that is what the brain told my body to do.
Next reached up and killed the ignition.  Probably only ran for a second,
possibly two max but it seamed like an eternity. When I killed the engine
"something" continued to freewheel for about 3 to 5 seconds making metal
rubbing sounds. After gaining my composure I put a wrench on the crank and it
appeared to turn free, no out of the ordinary feeling. So I guess I start
tearing into it after work tomorrow. Any idea what could have been
freewheeling after the engine stopped? At least from the drivers seat I think
the engine stopped, I would not thing the entire assembly could have kept
spinning that long do you?  Oh, the cause, I did not have the transmission
tunnel cover attached, just sitting there in the car so when I blipped the
throttle the stop under the gas peddle hooked itself under the lip of the
cover. Note to self, don't ever do that again. Marty


From cwnfot at gmail.com  Thu Apr 19 19:48:46 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:48:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <013f01cd1e97$ba5d63f0$2f182bd0$@com>

Snapped the crank at rear main bearing and the flywheel played on...?

Restored? You mean no more NARRC stickers?
I can get you some if you need them...

Shirts look great! Thanks!


Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
"Reality, it's not what you think."


From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Apr 19 20:00:40 2012
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:00:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJ1+nOTFEuouerZKYWYr4u1assHswwXbqMYsgjeGaWj2YTwO1Q@mail.gmail.com>

With a bit of luck it's nothing catastrophic. Maybe belt broke and it was
the water pump...Or just your overactive imagination...

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:25 PM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Just finishing up the final touches of a 7 month restoration of the
> Spitfire
> getting ready to head South next week. Down to the point of adjusting hood
> stops and stupid stuff like that. Ok, now the hard stuff. I THINK I JUST
> BLEW
> THE ENGINE TONIGHT #$^%&!!.  Actually had it running in the driveway and it
> was sounding fan frickin tastic, Playing with the carbs, timing, checking
> for
> leaks, all is right with the world. Backed it in the garage and blipped the
> throttle one more time and WIDE OPEN THROTTLE! Frantically stomped the gas
> one
> time to see if it would free up. I know that is not what I should have done
> first but in the spur of the moment that is what the brain told my body to
> do.
> Next reached up and killed the ignition.  Probably only ran for a second,
> possibly two max but it seamed like an eternity. When I killed the engine
> "something" continued to freewheel for about 3 to 5 seconds making metal
> rubbing sounds. After gaining my composure I put a wrench on the crank and
> it
> appeared to turn free, no out of the ordinary feeling. So I guess I start
> tearing into it after work tomorrow. Any idea what could have been
> freewheeling after the engine stopped? At least from the drivers seat I
> think
> the engine stopped, I would not thing the entire assembly could have kept
> spinning that long do you?  Oh, the cause, I did not have the transmission
> tunnel cover attached, just sitting there in the car so when I blipped the
> throttle the stop under the gas peddle hooked itself under the lip of the
> cover. Note to self, don't ever do that again. Marty
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From robertten1 at aol.com  Thu Apr 19 20:11:42 2012
From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:11:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1+nOTFEuouerZKYWYr4u1assHswwXbqMYsgjeGaWj2YTwO1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
	<CAJ1+nOTFEuouerZKYWYr4u1assHswwXbqMYsgjeGaWj2YTwO1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CEECB20FCD62DD-1CF8-51854@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com>

 Marty,

Did you at least try cranking it over by key ?  Nothing visibly out of place
while under the bonnet ?

Best wishes,
Bob Totten


PS  by the way it looks like I may not have my car for the Mitty ( block still
at the machinist ), so thinking I may not go.






-----Original Message-----
From: robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>
To: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2012 10:04 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost


With a bit of luck it's nothing catastrophic. Maybe belt broke and it was

the water pump...Or just your overactive imagination...



On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:25 PM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:



> Just finishing up the final touches of a 7 month restoration of the

> Spitfire

> getting ready to head South next week. Down to the point of adjusting hood

> stops and stupid stuff like that. Ok, now the hard stuff. I THINK I JUST

> BLEW

> THE ENGINE TONIGHT #$^%&!!.  Actually had it running in the driveway and it

> was sounding fan frickin tastic, Playing with the carbs, timing, checking

> for

> leaks, all is right with the world. Backed it in the garage and blipped the

> throttle one more time and WIDE OPEN THROTTLE! Frantically stomped the gas

> one

> time to see if it would free up. I know that is not what I should have done

> first but in the spur of the moment that is what the brain told my body to

> do.

> Next reached up and killed the ignition.  Probably only ran for a second,

> possibly two max but it seamed like an eternity. When I killed the engine

> "something" continued to freewheel for about 3 to 5 seconds making metal

> rubbing sounds. After gaining my composure I put a wrench on the crank and

> it

> appeared to turn free, no out of the ordinary feeling. So I guess I start

> tearing into it after work tomorrow. Any idea what could have been

> freewheeling after the engine stopped? At least from the drivers seat I

> think

> the engine stopped, I would not thing the entire assembly could have kept

> spinning that long do you?  Oh, the cause, I did not have the transmission

> tunnel cover attached, just sitting there in the car so when I blipped the

> throttle the stop under the gas peddle hooked itself under the lip of the

> cover. Note to self, don't ever do that again. Marty

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>

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From horizonracing at msn.com  Thu Apr 19 20:16:37 2012
From: horizonracing at msn.com (horizonracing at msn.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:16:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1+nOTFEuouerZKYWYr4u1assHswwXbqMYsgjeGaWj2YTwO1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
	<CAJ1+nOTFEuouerZKYWYr4u1assHswwXbqMYsgjeGaWj2YTwO1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP2021BF712CCAF0C45E00D28B2220@phx.gbl>

Clutch release brg ?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

-----Original message-----
From: robert bownes <bownes at seiri.com>
To: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2012 20:00:40 MDT
Subject: Re: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost

With a bit of luck it's nothing catastrophic. Maybe belt broke and it was
the water pump...Or just your overactive imagination...

On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:25 PM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Just finishing up the final touches of a 7 month restoration of the
> Spitfire
> getting ready to head South next week. Down to the point of adjusting hood
> stops and stupid stuff like that. Ok, now the hard stuff. I THINK I JUST
> BLEW
> THE ENGINE TONIGHT #$^%&!!.  Actually had it running in the driveway and  
it
> was sounding fan frickin tastic, Playing with the carbs, timing, checking
> for
> leaks, all is right with the world. Backed it in the garage and blipped  
the
> throttle one more time and WIDE OPEN THROTTLE! Frantically stomped the gas
> one
> time to see if it would free up. I know that is not what I should have  
done
> first but in the spur of the moment that is what the brain told my body to
> do.
> Next reached up and killed the ignition.  Probably only ran for a second,
> possibly two max but it seamed like an eternity. When I killed the engine
> "something" continued to freewheel for about 3 to 5 seconds making metal
> rubbing sounds. After gaining my composure I put a wrench on the crank and
> it
> appeared to turn free, no out of the ordinary feeling. So I guess I start
> tearing into it after work tomorrow. Any idea what could have been
> freewheeling after the engine stopped? At least from the drivers seat I
> think
> the engine stopped, I would not thing the entire assembly could have kept
> spinning that long do you?  Oh, the cause, I did not have the transmission
> tunnel cover attached, just sitting there in the car so when I blipped the
> throttle the stop under the gas peddle hooked itself under the lip of the
> cover. Note to self, don't ever do that again. Marty
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>
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 19 21:06:11 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 23:06:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <013f01cd1e97$ba5d63f0$2f182bd0$@com>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>,
	<013f01cd1e97$ba5d63f0$2f182bd0$@com>
Message-ID: <BLU168-W113E840816EE9174ACF8EEDBA220@phx.gbl>

Update:  Pulled the valve cover and cranked the engine over with a wrench.
Valve train appears intact. Pulled the oil pan and again rotated things around
with a wrench and crank and connecting rods all look in one piece. Could the
flywheel bolts have broke?  I guess we will pull the transmission tomorrow
night and see what things look like back there.  Then possibly pull the head?
It did throw the fan belt and the water pump would have been spinning but when
i turn the water pump by hand I don't hear any noises. And that rotating noise
I describe in my earlier email was loud enough that my wife heard it in the
house (windows open) which is about 30 feet from my shop.  ah, tomorrow is
another day. And saturday and Sunday and........ Marty
 > From: cwnfot at gmail.com
> To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:48:46 -0400
>
> Snapped the crank at rear main bearing and the flywheel played on...?
>
> Restored? You mean no more NARRC stickers?
> I can get you some if you need them...
>
> Shirts look great! Thanks!
>
>
> Clark
> Clark W. Nicholls
> 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U)
> and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
> "Reality, it's not what you think."


From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Apr 19 21:24:31 2012
From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 23:24:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W113E840816EE9174ACF8EEDBA220@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
	<013f01cd1e97$ba5d63f0$2f182bd0$@com>
	<BLU168-W113E840816EE9174ACF8EEDBA220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAJ1+nOQxkyddQkCYzroRHwYacBVUpsP-YaOfmCZeYyOhqDxD=A@mail.gmail.com>

Hmmm. Let's hope for a clutch bearing. Crank would be a pain.



On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:06 PM, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Update:  Pulled the valve cover and cranked the engine over with a wrench.
> Valve train appears intact. Pulled the oil pan and again rotated things
> around
> with a wrench and crank and connecting rods all look in one piece. Could
> the
> flywheel bolts have broke?  I guess we will pull the transmission tomorrow
> night and see what things look like back there.  Then possibly pull the
> head?
> It did throw the fan belt and the water pump would have been spinning but
> when
> i turn the water pump by hand I don't hear any noises. And that rotating
> noise
> I describe in my earlier email was loud enough that my wife heard it in the
> house (windows open) which is about 30 feet from my shop.  ah, tomorrow is
> another day. And saturday and Sunday and........ Marty
>  > From: cwnfot at gmail.com
> > To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject: RE: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
> > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:48:46 -0400
> >
> > Snapped the crank at rear main bearing and the flywheel played on...?
> >
> > Restored? You mean no more NARRC stickers?
> > I can get you some if you need them...
> >
> > Shirts look great! Thanks!
> >
> >
> > Clark
> > Clark W. Nicholls
> > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U)
> > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
> > "Reality, it's not what you think."
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Apr 19 21:45:38 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:45:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W113E840816EE9174ACF8EEDBA220@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
	<013f01cd1e97$ba5d63f0$2f182bd0$@com>
	<BLU168-W113E840816EE9174ACF8EEDBA220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <mailman.64.1638252568.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

What happens when you hit the starter button?  If the flywheel bolts 
sheared, it shouldn't do much...

Tony

At 10:06 PM 4/19/2012, marty sukey wrote:
>Update:  Pulled the valve cover and cranked the engine over with a wrench.
>Valve train appears intact. Pulled the oil pan and again rotated things around
>with a wrench and crank and connecting rods all look in one piece. Could the
>flywheel bolts have broke?  I guess we will pull the transmission tomorrow
>night and see what things look like back there.  Then possibly pull the head?
>It did throw the fan belt and the water pump would have been spinning but when
>i turn the water pump by hand I don't hear any noises. And that rotating noise
>I describe in my earlier email was loud enough that my wife heard it in the
>house (windows open) which is about 30 feet from my shop.  ah, tomorrow is
>another day. And saturday and Sunday and........ Marty
>  > From: cwnfot at gmail.com
> > To: trmarty at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net
> > Subject: RE: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
> > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:48:46 -0400
> >
> > Snapped the crank at rear main bearing and the flywheel played on...?
> >
> > Restored? You mean no more NARRC stickers?
> > I can get you some if you need them...
> >
> > Shirts look great! Thanks!
> >
> >
> > Clark
> > Clark W. Nicholls
> > 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U)
> > and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
> > "Reality, it's not what you think."
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Thu Apr 19 22:18:34 2012
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (jsiam1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:18:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <86cbc399-cf8d-4f74-83cf-33e9f7d4d169@blur>

My vote is for the ring gear.

Chequered Flag Joseph P Siam 

-----Original message-----
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2012 18:25:46 PDT
Subject: [Fot] Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost

Just finishing up the final touches of a 7 month restoration of the Spitfire
getting ready to head South next week. Down to the point of adjusting hood
stops and stupid stuff like that. Ok, now the hard stuff. I THINK I JUST  
BLEW
THE ENGINE TONIGHT #$^%&!!.  Actually had it running in the driveway and it
was sounding fan frickin tastic, Playing with the carbs, timing, checking  
for
leaks, all is right with the world. Backed it in the garage and blipped the
throttle one more time and WIDE OPEN THROTTLE! Frantically stomped the gas  
one
time to see if it would free up. I know that is not what I should have done
first but in the spur of the moment that is what the brain told my body to  
do.
Next reached up and killed the ignition.  Probably only ran for a second,
possibly two max but it seamed like an eternity. When I killed the engine
"something" continued to freewheel for about 3 to 5 seconds making metal
rubbing sounds. After gaining my composure I put a wrench on the crank and  
it
appeared to turn free, no out of the ordinary feeling. So I guess I start
tearing into it after work tomorrow. Any idea what could have been
freewheeling after the engine stopped? At least from the drivers seat I  
think
the engine stopped, I would not thing the entire assembly could have kept
spinning that long do you?  Oh, the cause, I did not have the transmission
tunnel cover attached, just sitting there in the car so when I blipped the
throttle the stop under the gas peddle hooked itself under the lip of the
cover. Note to self, don't ever do that again. Marty
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Apr 20 08:08:11 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:08:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] robert johns
Message-ID: <8CEED162770A8F3-2B78-B208@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com>

 cant find your email address....need to discuss MITTY.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Apr 20 09:00:23 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:00:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] I have his email now....thanks...now to find him.
Message-ID: <8CEED1D7267CC47-2B78-B9BB@webmail-m143.sysops.aol.com>

Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From sgroh1 at comcast.net  Fri Apr 20 09:52:51 2012
From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:52:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] 11 Triumphs registered for the Jefferson 500!
Message-ID: <2064019173.1904671.1334937171524.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Triumph Ghetto Heaven !B  11 Triumphs registered to compete at the Jefferson
500 in May - Richard Brown (64 Spitfire); Henry Frye (62 TR4); Steve Groh (63
Spitfire); David Gussack (63 Spitfire); Scott Janzen (68 GT6); Leo Oddi (68
250); Paul O'Malley (64 TR4A); Bill Rampe (66 Spitfire); Carl Schwab (67
Spitfire); Bill Tobin (70 TR6); and George Wright (61 TR4)....so far.B  This
is going to be fun...


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 20 09:55:59 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:55:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 11 Triumphs registered for the Jefferson 500!
In-Reply-To: <2064019173.1904671.1334937171524.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <2064019173.1904671.1334937171524.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E928F1510EA4496781DA2D4BFA745549@gdhs.local>

I plan on being there with my TR3A.... 


John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
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Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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To: fot
Subject: [Fot] 11 Triumphs registered for the Jefferson 500!

Triumph Ghetto Heaven !B  11 Triumphs registered to compete at the Jefferson
500 in May - Richard Brown (64 Spitfire); Henry Frye (62 TR4); Steve Groh
(63 Spitfire); David Gussack (63 Spitfire); Scott Janzen (68 GT6); Leo Oddi
(68 250); Paul O'Malley (64 TR4A); Bill Rampe (66 Spitfire); Carl Schwab (67
Spitfire); Bill Tobin (70 TR6); and George Wright (61 TR4)....so far.B  This
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From sgroh1 at comcast.net  Fri Apr 20 09:58:14 2012
From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:58:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] 11 Triumphs registered for the Jefferson 500!
In-Reply-To: <E928F1510EA4496781DA2D4BFA745549@gdhs.local>
Message-ID: <87120310.1904979.1334937494824.JavaMail.root@sz0053a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Make that 12!

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To: sgroh1 at comcast.net, "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:55:59 AM
Subject: RE: [Fot] 11 Triumphs registered for the Jefferson 500!

I plan on being there with my TR3A....


John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
719 East Boulevard
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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To: fot
Subject: [Fot] 11 Triumphs registered for the Jefferson 500!

Triumph Ghetto Heaven !B B 11 Triumphs registered to compete at the Jefferson
500 in May - Richard Brown (64 Spitfire); Henry Frye (62 TR4); Steve Groh
(63 Spitfire); David Gussack (63 Spitfire); Scott Janzen (68 GT6); Leo Oddi
(68 250); Paul O'Malley (64 TR4A); Bill Rampe (66 Spitfire); Carl Schwab (67
Spitfire); Bill Tobin (70 TR6); and George Wright (61 TR4)....so far.B B This
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 20 13:11:36 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:11:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Still Might be Almost ready for Mitty, kind of almost
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1+nOQxkyddQkCYzroRHwYacBVUpsP-YaOfmCZeYyOhqDxD=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU168-W11013D2AF2E6457B1593E77BA220@phx.gbl>,
	<013f01cd1e97$ba5d63f0$2f182bd0$@com>,
	<BLU168-W113E840816EE9174ACF8EEDBA220@phx.gbl>,
	<CAJ1+nOQxkyddQkCYzroRHwYacBVUpsP-YaOfmCZeYyOhqDxD=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU168-W121A300ABCAABAA82E8D244BA220@phx.gbl>

Ran home at lunch time and did some more investigation.  Hit the starter and
starter rotated but nothing on the engine side. Climbed under the car and
looked at the snout at the rear of the crank after the last main bearing. As I
rotated the crank using a wrench at the front I could see the rear snout still
rotating along with the rest of the crank. Possibly I dodged a bullet.  We
will be pulling the transmission after work to see what is going on back
there. I should have a new set of flywheel bolts being delivered to my house
about 10:00 tonight.  If it is indeed just broken flywheel bolts we should be
back in business in the wee hours of the morning. Still hoping to head south
on wednesday.

Marty


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Fri Apr 20 17:13:15 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:13:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Here's the latest scoop on the Mitty!
Message-ID: <61D52A6C2A6C4707831021128292BA54@TRIUMPH.local>

Everything is coming together very nicely, some of the details we need to 
know are developing, so here goes...

The Panoramic Photo is happening Friday after the track goes quiet. The 
picture will take place on the track, and it looks like we have a choice of 
locations. No doubt it will be a keeper! Anyone who has ever participated in 
one of these knows how time consuming the setup is, so everybody's patience 
is appreciated. Our photographer will be Bob Lang, and we are trying to 
secure a tall stepladder. If anyone has a stepladder taller than 6 feet and 
can easily bring it, please email me off list!

We have several people coming that are looking for crew passes. If anyone 
has any crew slots not being used, email me off list. If anyone needs a crew 
pass, email me off list as well and we will see what we can work out.

Remember, if you are coming in your street Triumph and bought the Georgia 
Triumph's entry, you do not need a crew pass. The GA Triumph credential gets 
you anywhere crew can go!

I just found out the IMSA GTP cars will be over in the Pro Paddock with us. 
There are only 15 of them, so don't worry, there will be plenty of room. I 
think it will be great to have some very cool race cars in the paddock with 
us! I should be getting a map, and will post it on the website when I get it 
so there will be less confusion during setup.

Our hosts, Classic Motorsports has provided us with a canopy that will serve 
as our Hospitality Tent. I think it will be 20X20. Speaking of our hosts, be 
sure to thank Tim Suddard, Andy Reid, and the rest of the Classic 
Motorsports crew for all their efforts. The amount of work involved to make 
our part of this event go is huge, let alone the big picture.

I believe there will be a very short gathering in our Hospitality Tent on 
Thursday night after the Test Day is done, more as that plan comes together.

Looking forward to seeing everybody again!

Cheers

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 


From billdentin at aol.com  Fri Apr 20 19:17:33 2012
From: billdentin at aol.com (billdentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:17:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Here's the latest scoop on the Mitty!
In-Reply-To: <61D52A6C2A6C4707831021128292BA54@TRIUMPH.local>
References: <61D52A6C2A6C4707831021128292BA54@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <8CEED73AA15BAFE-1DA8-40AD9@webmail-m037.sysops.aol.com>

<<< The Panoramic Photo is happening Friday after the track goes quiet. The
icture will take place on the track, and it looks like we have a choice of
ocations. No doubt it will be a keeper! Anyone who has ever participated in
ne of these knows how time consuming the setup is, so everybody's patience
s appreciated. Our photographer will be Bob Lang, and we are trying to
ecure a tall stepladder. If anyone has a stepladder taller than 6 feet and
an easily bring it, please email me off list! >>>
Henry...it is my intention to bring framed copies of the panoramic pictures
taken
at both the 40th (1992) and 50th (2002) celebration at Mid-Ohio.  And I will
have them on display
in the Beady Eye paddock, ro wherever you would likse them.
<<< I just found out the IMSA GTP cars will be over in the Pro Paddock with
us.
here are only 15 of them, so don't worry, there will be plenty of room. I
hink it will be great to have some very cool race cars in the paddock with
s! I should be getting a map, and will post it on the website when I get it
o there will be less confusion during setup. >>>
Not to worry!  There will be no shortage of VERY COOL cars in the TRIUMPH
paddock.
Bill Dentinger


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Sat Apr 21 08:43:53 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:43:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Crew slots for the Mitty
Message-ID: <118430A0D8EB46D394D82F9FC480E252@TRIUMPH.local>

I mentioned this in my email last night,  but have gotten few responses.

If anybody has any open crew slots, or needs a crew slot, email me off list. 
I will see if we can accomodate everybody.

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 


From Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 21 09:36:57 2012
From: Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (Tylerpthompson at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:36:57 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Piston Wine/bottle stops
References: <1304EE81-8D22-48C5-98C7-75EA91F9A1BB@esri.com>
Message-ID: <985B6E62-53D2-4425-AE35-3063E1C6DA62@yahoo.com>

I met a guy at work who is full of talent. He can do pencil drawings for car
photos that look awesome, and he can make gear shift knobs, shaving brushes,
and just about anything you can imagine.  Attached is a link to a piston
bottle stopper he is making.

It can also have a natural cork.  He can burn in Triumph logos, your name, car
number etc.  And if I give him one of my TR4 pistons he will replicate it and
add some rings to it. Which I will be doing.

I was in awe at his talent and wanted to pass this along.  Pretty cool.  I am
starting to think about Christmas presents.  I have an email from him I can
forward to those who are interested.

No financial interest.

 Ty

> http://db.tt/bnQw1lgw


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Apr 21 10:26:51 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:26:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] RMVR GUYS
Message-ID: <8CEEDF2B10932C8-F88-14720@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>

 RMVR

ONE LAP OF AMERICA is at HIGH PLAINS RACEWAY on the 8th of May....anyone plan
to be out there?



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 21 19:27:56 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 21:27:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] It lives!
Message-ID: <BLU168-W104650D934EEE61E56B115ABA200@phx.gbl>

Spitfire is back together. It looks like all we did is take out the flywheel
bolts and dowel.  So, Road Atlanta here we come, hide the women and children.
Drove the car up and down the street. Down on power in the top gear but with
new cam and carbs we have a lot to learn.  See you Thursday! Marty


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Sun Apr 22 05:05:58 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 07:05:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Could still use a few more crew slots
Message-ID: <8B772DBE71654195A11797BDCFFDA684@TRIUMPH.local>

It's all coming together nicely, but I could still use a few more empty crew 
slots to get all of our friends in.

Thanks to all who have offered up your unused crew slots, I will be emailing 
you names before the end of today!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 


From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Sun Apr 22 06:00:40 2012
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 07:00:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Trailer and Golf Cart for sale
Message-ID: <C22F4A3F0AA3EA488D30A42FC8A4817639B87736F3@DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local>

Morning Members,

I am looking at a trailer in Phoenix AZ.  So 1st off if anyone lives there and
is coming this way (Nashville, TN)  or even partially this way, and has a
gooseneck hitch in their truck I am paying someone for delivery so I prefer to
pay someone I would know like a FOT Member. So if you're interested let me
know ASAP.  Maybe someone headed this way for the Mitty?? It's a 46' and will
easily haul two Triumphs. Call me at 615-347-0260 or e mail to:
info at dieselperformanceparts.com<mailto:info at dieselperformanceparts.com>

Secondly there is a super nice golf cart there as well. I would buy it but
this trailer deal is going to tap out my "play" money. I think I could bring
it here and sell it for a profit and would if I had the extra cash. It belongs
to the friend of mine that is inspecting the trailer in AZ prior to me making
an offer on it. Custom paint, custom wheels, stereo, aftermarket exhaust and
intake, front and rear seats all sorts of custom stuff.  You can believe what
he says about it and he says it's 100% it's a 2001 model gas engine. Anyway if
I buy the trailer it can ride to TN or anywhere along the way on I-40 for free
as a favor to him for looking at the trailer for me. I don't think we can post
pics here so if you have any interest in it e mail me at :
info at dieselperformanceparts.com<mailto:info at dieselperformanceparts.com>
and I will forward them to you. He is wanting 3500.00 for it. The dang wheels
are probably worth over 500.00 alone.

Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax

www.dieselperformanceparts.com


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Apr 22 08:03:43 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:03:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] BUSINESS: FOT & UNCLE JACK STICKERS PLUS 50TH ANNIVERSARY
 MAGAZINE AVAILABLE
Message-ID: <8CEEEA7DC6F3509-F88-16D01@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>

 Some minor FOT BUSINESS ISSUES..........

I am bringing 3" FOT STICKERS AND 3" UNCLE JACK STICKERS.

I also have a number of VTR MAGAZINES that feature the 50th Anniversary. The
coverage is extensive and includes the cover of the magazine. This is the year
that UK was heavily represented. I invited Kas for the first year and KAS and
I decided to initiate the KASTNER CUP series in the following year.

Now we are at the 60th Anniversary, and the 10th Kastner Cup.  Credit goes to
Tom Householder for initiating the 40th Anniversary in 1992 and handling most
of the organization of the 50th. The FOT handled the racing side of 50th
ANNIVERSARY event.

Proceeds from disposing of these items will go into the 'FUND'.

Note: Ted Schumacher has elected to donate some of the shirt proceeds to MARK
BRADAKIS to support the system that holds the FOT together.

See you at THE MITTY.....Tony Garmey reports that he is on the road already,
making good progress, and may arrive as early as Monday Night.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From BillDentin at aol.com  Sun Apr 22 08:33:39 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:33:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] BUSINESS: FOT & UNCLE JACK STICKERS PLUS 50TH ANNIVERSARY
 MAGAZINE ...
Message-ID: <43da.10285cdc.3cc570c3@aol.com>

In a message dated 04/22/2012 9:05:13 AM Central Daylight Time, 
n197tr4 at cs.com writes:


> <<< See you at THE MITTY.....Tony Garmey reports that he is on the road 
> already, making good progress, and may arrive as early as Monday Night.  >>>
> 
> 

No wonder Tony always finishes so far up in the field.  

He starts earlier.

Bill (Damdinger)


From BillDentin at aol.com  Sun Apr 22 08:48:48 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:48:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] BUSINESS: FOT & UNCLE JACK STICKERS PLUS 50TH ANNIVERSARY
 MAGAZINE ...
Message-ID: <490e.4e173c54.3cc57450@aol.com>

In a message dated 04/22/2012 9:05:13 AM Central Daylight Time, 
n197tr4 at cs.com writes:


> <<< I also have a number of VTR MAGAZINES that feature the 50th 
> Anniversary. The coverage is extensive and includes the cover of the magazine. This 
> is the year
> that UK was heavily represented. I invited Kas for the first year and KAS 
> and
> I decided to initiate the KASTNER CUP series in the following year. >>>
> 
Joe...

I am bringing, and hope to have on display, framed copies of the 
'panoramic' photographs from both the 40th and 50th Anniversary celebration.  These 
are each about four feet wide.  Anyone unfamiliar with a World War II 
Panoramic Camera, and the kind of pictures they are capable of capturing, ought to 
be impressed.  I'll also try to bring a framed copy of the poster from 40th 
Anniversary.  It is signed by all of the racers, and people like Bob Tullius, 
Smokey Yunick, and others.  Kas was not there that year.  He was beating up 
on Porches up at Limerock.

TRIUMPH is often described as the sports car of the common man (or even the 
great unwashed).  But I think it is still OK for us to 'put on the dog' 
every now and then.

Bill Dentinger


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Apr 22 09:28:28 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:28:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] BUSINESS: FOT & UNCLE JACK STICKERS PLUS 50TH ANNIVERSARY
 MAGAZINE ...
In-Reply-To: <490e.4e173c54.3cc57450@aol.com>
References: <490e.4e173c54.3cc57450@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CEEEB3B35B8E13-F88-170C0@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>

CMS is providing a 20  x  20 canopy for us. Perhaps we can display some of
this stuff in the HOSPITALITY AREA. If not, this stuff will show great at our
individual paddock locations.

I, too, have a poster from 1992. Maybe this will be a good time to get some
autographs on it.

BTW, WEATHER FORECAST is looking very good.

FLIGHT TRACKER says that Kas and Peg have just left their driveway in
California and heading EAST.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: BillDentin <BillDentin at aol.com>
To: n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 9:48 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] BUSINESS: FOT & UNCLE JACK STICKERS PLUS 50TH ANNIVERSARY
MAGAZINE ...


In a message dated 04/22/2012 9:05:13 AM Central Daylight Time, n197tr4 at cs.com
writes:



<<< I also have a number of VTR MAGAZINES that feature the 50th Anniversary.
The coverage is extensive and includes the cover of the magazine. This is the
year
that UK was heavily represented. I invited Kas for the first year and KAS and
I decided to initiate the KASTNER CUP series in the following year. >>>


Joe...

I am bringing, and hope to have on display, framed copies of the 'panoramic'
photographs from both the 40th and 50th Anniversary celebration.  These are
each about four feet wide.  Anyone unfamiliar with a World War II Panoramic
Camera, and the kind of pictures they are capable of capturing, ought to be
impressed.  I'll also try to bring a framed copy of the poster from 40th
Anniversary.  It is signed by all of the racers, and people like Bob Tullius,
Smokey Yunick, and others.  Kas was not there that year.  He was beating up on
Porches up at Limerock.

TRIUMPH is often described as the sports car of the common man (or even the
great unwashed).  But I think it is still OK for us to 'put on the dog' every
now and then.

Bill Dentinger


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Apr 22 09:57:45 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 11:57:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] DISTRIBUTION OF KASTNER CUP POSTERS by FOT AND VTR
Message-ID: <8CEEEB7CA9B0FC3-F88-171ED@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>

 FOT

The FOT and VTR produced over 200 posters and expect them to go fast.

One poster goes to every FOT in attendance. One poster goes to every VTR
member in attendance.

A second poster will be available for $5.00. It's not about the money. It just
slows down the requests 'for my buddy back home'.


Steve Belfer donated his artful talents for the poster.
VTR's Joe Pawlak, from ISOA,  produced at his cost.
VTR paid this cost with the help of Blake Discher
Ronnie Babbitt of GTA will coordinate distribution to VTR members
Irv Korey and Steve Yott are transporting posters from Chicago.

It takes a TRIUMPH VILLAGE to distribute our posters.

I would prefer disposing of all of the posters at the track. I shipped shirts
and posters after Laguna Seca and not sure how I got sucked into that. If you
are not coming and want a poster get one of the attendees to procure and send.
Not being grumpy, just thought I'd better say something.


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sun Apr 22 10:41:19 2012
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:41:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] DISTRIBUTION OF KASTNER CUP POSTERS by FOT AND VTR
In-Reply-To: <8CEEEB7CA9B0FC3-F88-171ED@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CEEEB7CA9B0FC3-F88-171ED@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <EF0285F6-5FB0-4ED9-A9FC-3D2244122EA3@141.com>

Thanks to everyone who made the great posters available for us!!  Will there
be a poster-signing session, like we did some years back? It would be great to
have the drivers and related notables all sign the posters.

It's getting TOUGH to wait until Thursday!!!!!!

Keep Triumphing,
Susan   :)


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

> FOT
>
> The FOT and VTR produced over 200 posters and expect them to go fast.
>
> One poster goes to every FOT in attendance. One poster goes to every VTR
> member in attendance.
>
> A second poster will be available for $5.00. It's not about the money. It
just
> slows down the requests 'for my buddy back home'.
>
>
> Steve Belfer donated his artful talents for the poster.
> VTR's Joe Pawlak, from ISOA,  produced at his cost.
> VTR paid this cost with the help of Blake Discher
> Ronnie Babbitt of GTA will coordinate distribution to VTR members
> Irv Korey and Steve Yott are transporting posters from Chicago.
>
> It takes a TRIUMPH VILLAGE to distribute our posters.
>
> I would prefer disposing of all of the posters at the track. I shipped
shirts
> and posters after Laguna Seca and not sure how I got sucked into that. If
you
> are not coming and want a poster get one of the attendees to procure and
send.
> Not being grumpy, just thought I'd better say something.
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Apr 22 10:55:39 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:55:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Signing of  KASTNER CUP POSTERS for the DRIVERS
In-Reply-To: <EF0285F6-5FB0-4ED9-A9FC-3D2244122EA3@141.com>
References: <8CEEEB7CA9B0FC3-F88-171ED@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
	<EF0285F6-5FB0-4ED9-A9FC-3D2244122EA3@141.com>
Message-ID: <8CEEEBFE136B496-F88-174D9@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>

 The most successful signing was when we had some volunteers take 40 or so
posters and either brought the racers in or went to the racers for signing
their name all at once.  This is huge undertaking and takes some patience.

The end result is priceless. We may need a white marker, too, because there is
a lot of dark area. Having perhaps four volunteers with posters divided up,
might work. Susan, perhaps you could assemble a 'crew' and get this done.

I have hinted around on this, but fear I have worn out my welcome.   And I
understand that. I always go back to the usual suspects and that's not really
fair.


Thanks for bringing this up.


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>; emanteno <emanteno at comcast.net>; bdischer
<bdischer at vtr.org>
Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 11:41 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] DISTRIBUTION OF KASTNER CUP POSTERS by FOT AND VTR


Thanks to everyone who made the great posters available for us!!  Will there
be
a poster-signing session, like we did some years back? It would be great to
have
the drivers and related notables all sign the posters.

It's getting TOUGH to wait until Thursday!!!!!!

Keep Triumphing,
Susan   :)


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

> FOT
>
> The FOT and VTR produced over 200 posters and expect them to go fast.
>
> One poster goes to every FOT in attendance. One poster goes to every VTR
> member in attendance.
>
> A second poster will be available for $5.00. It's not about the money. It
just
> slows down the requests 'for my buddy back home'.
>
>
> Steve Belfer donated his artful talents for the poster.
> VTR's Joe Pawlak, from ISOA,  produced at his cost.
> VTR paid this cost with the help of Blake Discher
> Ronnie Babbitt of GTA will coordinate distribution to VTR members
> Irv Korey and Steve Yott are transporting posters from Chicago.
>
> It takes a TRIUMPH VILLAGE to distribute our posters.
>
> I would prefer disposing of all of the posters at the track. I shipped
shirts
> and posters after Laguna Seca and not sure how I got sucked into that. If
you
> are not coming and want a poster get one of the attendees to procure and
send.
> Not being grumpy, just thought I'd better say something.
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Apr 22 10:58:44 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:58:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Power hookups?   FAQ
In-Reply-To: <4f943738.e88aec0a.3dd7.ffffcca9@mx.google.com>
References: <4f943738.e88aec0a.3dd7.ffffcca9@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <8CEEEC04FBF1561-F88-174F3@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>

 I think I remember there being electrical power. Henry REMEMBERS this, too.
And he is much younger.

Maybe someone can verify so this question doesnt have to be asked multiple
time.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Kahler <bkahler1 at gmail.com>
To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>
Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 11:52 am
Subject: Power hookups


Joe,  will there be electric hookups for the motor home?

We're planning on being there Wednesday evening.

Brad

Sent from my HTC Inspireb" 4G on AT&T


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Sun Apr 22 11:16:07 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:16:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Power hookups?   FAQ
References: <4f943738.e88aec0a.3dd7.ffffcca9@mx.google.com>
	<8CEEEC04FBF1561-F88-174F3@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <17BC9368682F4C0D9B59BDEB2383B2AB@TRIUMPH.local>

I have not talked to the track, but I remember from the last time we were 
there a row of power boxes in the paddock. Plan on plugging in, but have a 
backup plan if you need one.

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Alexander" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <bkahler1 at gmail.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 12:58 PM
Subject: [Fot] Power hookups? FAQ


> I think I remember there being electrical power. Henry REMEMBERS this, 
> too.
> And he is much younger.
>
> Maybe someone can verify so this question doesnt have to be asked multiple
> time.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Kahler <bkahler1 at gmail.com>
> To: Joe Alexander <N197TR4 at cs.com>
> Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 11:52 am
> Subject: Power hookups
>
>
> Joe,  will there be electric hookups for the motor home?
>
> We're planning on being there Wednesday evening.
>
> Brad
>
> Sent from my HTC Inspireb" 4G on AT&T
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Sun Apr 22 11:16:08 2012
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:16:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Signing of  KASTNER CUP POSTERS for the DRIVERS
In-Reply-To: <8CEEEBFE136B496-F88-174D9@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CEEEB7CA9B0FC3-F88-171ED@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
	<EF0285F6-5FB0-4ED9-A9FC-3D2244122EA3@141.com>
	<8CEEEBFE136B496-F88-174D9@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <AE3289A1-8997-4594-86C9-F35861E877D3@141.com>

With my organizational and motivational skills and a large horse whip, I ought
to be able to help out with this effort.   ;)   Any chance of getting table
space at the hospitality tent/dinner events?

Anyone else willing to assist me in this endeavor?

I will provide the markers, and the whip.    :)

Susan   :)


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 22, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

> The most successful signing was when we had some volunteers take 40 or so
posters and either brought the racers in or went to the racers for signing
their name all at once.  This is huge undertaking and takes some patience.
>
> The end result is priceless. We may need a white marker, too, because there
is a lot of dark area. Having perhaps four volunteers with posters divided up,
might work. Susan, perhaps you could assemble a 'crew' and get this done.
>
> I have hinted around on this, but fear I have worn out my welcome.   And I
understand that. I always go back to the usual suspects and that's not really
fair.
>
> Thanks for bringing this up.
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
> To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>; emanteno <emanteno at comcast.net>; bdischer
<bdischer at vtr.org>
> Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 11:41 am
> Subject: Re: [Fot] DISTRIBUTION OF KASTNER CUP POSTERS by FOT AND VTR
>
> Thanks to everyone who made the great posters available for us!!  Will there
be
> a poster-signing session, like we did some years back? It would be great to
have
> the drivers and related notables all sign the posters.
>
> It's getting TOUGH to wait until Thursday!!!!!!
>
> Keep Triumphing,
> Susan   :)
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
>
> > FOT
> >
> > The FOT and VTR produced over 200 posters and expect them to go fast.
> >
> > One poster goes to every FOT in attendance. One poster goes to every VTR
> > member in attendance.
> >
> > A second poster will be available for $5.00. It's not about the money. It
just
> > slows down the requests 'for my buddy back home'.
> >
> >
> > Steve Belfer donated his artful talents for the poster.
> > VTR's Joe Pawlak, from ISOA,  produced at his cost.
> > VTR paid this cost with the help of Blake Discher
> > Ronnie Babbitt of GTA will coordinate distribution to VTR members
> > Irv Korey and Steve Yott are transporting posters from Chicago.
> >
> > It takes a TRIUMPH VILLAGE to distribute our posters.
> >
> > I would prefer disposing of all of the posters at the track. I shipped
shirts
> > and posters after Laguna Seca and not sure how I got sucked into that. If
you
> > are not coming and want a poster get one of the attendees to procure and
send.
> > Not being grumpy, just thought I'd better say something.
> >
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> > A. R. E.
> > 645 1st Street
> > Jesup, Iowa 50648
> > 319.464.4711  (cell)
> > n197tr4 at cs.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
> > http://www.fot-racing.com
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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> > Unsubscribe:
http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/spitfiresuz at 141.com


From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Sun Apr 22 11:42:53 2012
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:42:53 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Kastener Cup 2012
Message-ID: <1496BBCBC47249BD882C19F90B614DA9@homekeith>

Dear all,

 

Just wanted to wish you all the very best for the Kastner Cup next weekend,
it will be a truly great event as always. 

 

We are really sorry that we can't be with you again this year but the
Kastner Cup clashes with a race event for Josh here in the UK.

 

Rest assured that we will be keeping a look out for the results and the
reports; we will miss you all loads.

 

Best of luck and have a great time.

 

Keith, Denise and Josh.


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Apr 22 11:49:15 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 13:49:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Signing of  KASTNER CUP POSTERS for the DRIVERS
In-Reply-To: <AE3289A1-8997-4594-86C9-F35861E877D3@141.com>
References: <8CEEEB7CA9B0FC3-F88-171ED@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
	<EF0285F6-5FB0-4ED9-A9FC-3D2244122EA3@141.com>
	<8CEEEBFE136B496-F88-174D9@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
	<AE3289A1-8997-4594-86C9-F35861E877D3@141.com>
Message-ID: <8CEEEC75E3A1E8B-F88-17756@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>

 way to go, Susan!

if  chains, handcuffs, and leather are involved here, i suspect the Chi-Town
guys will volunteer.

maybe the WPTA, too.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>; emanteno <emanteno at comcast.net>; bdischer
<bdischer at vtr.org>
Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: Signing of  KASTNER CUP POSTERS for the DRIVERS


With my organizational and motivational skills and a large horse whip, I ought
to be able to help out with this effort.   ;)   Any chance of getting table
space at the hospitality tent/dinner events?


Anyone else willing to assist me in this endeavor?


I will provide the markers, and the whip.    :)


Susan   :)


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 22, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:




 The most successful signing was when we had some volunteers take 40 or so
posters and either brought the racers in or went to the racers for signing
their name all at once.  This is huge undertaking and takes some patience.

The end result is priceless. We may need a white marker, too, because there is
a lot of dark area. Having perhaps four volunteers with posters divided up,
might work. Susan, perhaps you could assemble a 'crew' and get this done.

I have hinted around on this, but fear I have worn out my welcome.   And I
understand that. I always go back to the usual suspects and that's not really
fair.


Thanks for bringing this up.


Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>; emanteno <emanteno at comcast.net>; bdischer
<bdischer at vtr.org>
Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 11:41 am
Subject: Re: [Fot] DISTRIBUTION OF KASTNER CUP POSTERS by FOT AND VTR


Thanks to everyone who made the great posters available for us!!  Will there
be
a poster-signing session, like we did some years back? It would be great to
have
the drivers and related notables all sign the posters.

It's getting TOUGH to wait until Thursday!!!!!!

Keep Triumphing,
Susan   :)


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

> FOT
>
> The FOT and VTR produced over 200 posters and expect them to go fast.
>
> One poster goes to every FOT in attendance. One poster goes to every VTR
> member in attendance.
>
> A second poster will be available for $5.00. It's not about the money. It
just
> slows down the requests 'for my buddy back home'.
>
>
> Steve Belfer donated his artful talents for the poster.
> VTR's Joe Pawlak, from ISOA,  produced at his cost.
> VTR paid this cost with the help of Blake Discher
> Ronnie Babbitt of GTA will coordinate distribution to VTR members
> Irv Korey and Steve Yott are transporting posters from Chicago.
>
> It takes a TRIUMPH VILLAGE to distribute our posters.
>
> I would prefer disposing of all of the posters at the track. I shipped
shirts
> and posters after Laguna Seca and not sure how I got sucked into that. If
you
> are not coming and want a poster get one of the attendees to procure and
send.
> Not being grumpy, just thought I'd better say something.
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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From atr6racer at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 22 15:57:49 2012
From: atr6racer at hotmail.com (Sam Halkias)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:57:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mitty Car number swap request
Message-ID: <SNT136-W4459CF7E14A8E71D3EC8E7F9200@phx.gbl>

 I just checked the entry list for the Triumph event at the Mitty on the HSR
website and noticed I did not get the car number I requested. Bob Wismer was
assigned the #4 and my McComb Trubute TR6 got #14. Apparently we both
requested #4 and Bob's entry must have beat mine in. As the car is a Group 44
look alike of the 1975 TR6 of McCombs championship at Road Atlanta I would
very much like to switch number with Bob. Are you on the list Bob? Does
anybody know how I can contact Bob in the event he's not seeing this message?
I would sure appreciate the favor Bob and I'll owe you one!

Sam Halkias


From trdoctor at aol.com  Sun Apr 22 16:11:28 2012
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:11:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Signing of  KASTNER CUP POSTERS for the DRIVERS
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1335117601.14584.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1.1335117601.14584.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <0734822E-26F9-465A-A210-02FB256C7E06@aol.com>

And don't forget the boots!!  I saw them in Texas before. . .

Sam
On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:00 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote:

> <snip>
>
> way to go, Susan!
>
> if  chains, handcuffs, and leather are involved here, i suspect the
Chi-Town
> guys will volunteer.
>
> maybe the WPTA, too.
>
>
>
> Joe Alexander
> A. R. E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
> 319.464.4711  (cell)
> n197tr4 at cs.com


From fasttrs at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 22 16:28:53 2012
From: fasttrs at yahoo.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 17:28:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 120 v power in the Pro Paddock
Message-ID: <4FC4E01F-B0C5-45B9-A3AE-66B6CACC892D@yahoo.com>

I have a 5000 watt generator that I can bring for ac power in the paddock. Is
it ok to have generators there or do we have to pay RA for power?


From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Sun Apr 22 17:25:47 2012
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 19:25:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 120 v power in the Pro Paddock
In-Reply-To: <4FC4E01F-B0C5-45B9-A3AE-66B6CACC892D@yahoo.com>
References: <4FC4E01F-B0C5-45B9-A3AE-66B6CACC892D@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CALsVEtBm15XJunPv2pNWM4+D0Vcv6EuKbb7n3cH09PgB9najWg@mail.gmail.com>

Mike, I was there in February and checked the Pro paddock for power.  At
that event there was no charge for camping or use of electricity, but I
don't know if that will apply at the Mitty.  There is a row of power poles
down one side of the paddock, against the hill.  There will need to be a
lot of sharing.  From past experience, they did allow generators, but loud
construction site type generators were frowned upon.  Quiet RV or camp
ground units were welcomed.  Don

On Sunday, April 22, 2012, Mike Munson wrote:

> I have a 5000 watt generator that I can bring for ac power in the paddock.
> Is
> it ok to have generators there or do we have to pay RA for power?
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From triosan at gmail.com  Sun Apr 22 22:34:13 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:34:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Signing of KASTNER CUP POSTERS for the DRIVERS
In-Reply-To: <AE3289A1-8997-4594-86C9-F35861E877D3@141.com>
References: <8CEEEB7CA9B0FC3-F88-171ED@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
	<EF0285F6-5FB0-4ED9-A9FC-3D2244122EA3@141.com>
	<8CEEEBFE136B496-F88-174D9@Webmail-d121.sysops.aol.com>
	<AE3289A1-8997-4594-86C9-F35861E877D3@141.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNBGTDcEJvNrpcdtH0DuDLaq0Qg6ROv9TGgpzMCa_LPbFA@mail.gmail.com>

I would be glad to help

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com> wrote:

> With my organizational and motivational skills and a large horse whip, I
> ought
> to be able to help out with this effort.   ;)   Any chance of getting table
> space at the hospitality tent/dinner events?
>
> Anyone else willing to assist me in this endeavor?
>
> I will provide the markers, and the whip.    :)
>
> Susan   :)
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 22, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
>
> > The most successful signing was when we had some volunteers take 40 or so
> posters and either brought the racers in or went to the racers for signing
> their name all at once.  This is huge undertaking and takes some patience.
> >
> > The end result is priceless. We may need a white marker, too, because
> there
> is a lot of dark area. Having perhaps four volunteers with posters divided
> up,
> might work. Susan, perhaps you could assemble a 'crew' and get this done.
> >
> > I have hinted around on this, but fear I have worn out my welcome.   And
> I
> understand that. I always go back to the usual suspects and that's not
> really
> fair.
> >
> > Thanks for bringing this up.
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> > A. R. E.
> > 645 1st Street
> > Jesup, Iowa 50648
> > 319.464.4711  (cell)
> > n197tr4 at cs.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
> > To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> > Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>; emanteno <emanteno at comcast.net>; bdischer
> <bdischer at vtr.org>
> > Sent: Sun, Apr 22, 2012 11:41 am
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] DISTRIBUTION OF KASTNER CUP POSTERS by FOT AND VTR
> >
> > Thanks to everyone who made the great posters available for us!!  Will
> there
> be
> > a poster-signing session, like we did some years back? It would be great
> to
> have
> > the drivers and related notables all sign the posters.
> >
> > It's getting TOUGH to wait until Thursday!!!!!!
> >
> > Keep Triumphing,
> > Susan   :)
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Apr 22, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:
> >
> > > FOT
> > >
> > > The FOT and VTR produced over 200 posters and expect them to go fast.
> > >
> > > One poster goes to every FOT in attendance. One poster goes to every
> VTR
> > > member in attendance.
> > >
> > > A second poster will be available for $5.00. It's not about the money.
> It
> just
> > > slows down the requests 'for my buddy back home'.
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve Belfer donated his artful talents for the poster.
> > > VTR's Joe Pawlak, from ISOA,  produced at his cost.
> > > VTR paid this cost with the help of Blake Discher
> > > Ronnie Babbitt of GTA will coordinate distribution to VTR members
> > > Irv Korey and Steve Yott are transporting posters from Chicago.
> > >
> > > It takes a TRIUMPH VILLAGE to distribute our posters.
> > >
> > > I would prefer disposing of all of the posters at the track. I shipped
> shirts
> > > and posters after Laguna Seca and not sure how I got sucked into that.
> If
> you
> > > are not coming and want a poster get one of the attendees to procure
> and
> send.
> > > Not being grumpy, just thought I'd better say something.
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe Alexander
> > > A. R. E.
> > > 645 1st Street
> > > Jesup, Iowa 50648
> > > 319.464.4711  (cell)
> > > n197tr4 at cs.com
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > fot at autox.team.net
> > >
> > > http://www.fot-racing.com
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-- 
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Mon Apr 23 03:29:14 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 05:29:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mitty crew passes
Message-ID: <12707C91F489404494199138AB099743@TRIUMPH.local>

Thanks to everybody who offered up their spare crew slots. I believe I 
matched up everybody who emailed me looking for a pass with a racer with 
spares. If I missed somebody, get hold of me today!

The gates open at Road Atlanta in 2 1/2 days!

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com 


From cwnfot at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 05:43:36 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:43:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Arriving early for the Mitty?
Message-ID: <000301cd2146$52a0ce30$f7e26a90$@com>

If anyone arrives early and needs something to do, drive West on rt 53 to
Dawsonville and check out the new race course there. Atlanta Motorsports
Park.

http://www.atlantamotorsportspark.net/ 

 

Also some Bill Elliot theme spots.

 

Dahlonega is fun also.

 

I'll arrive Thursday if all goes to plan.
Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
"Reality, it's not what you think."


From harmug at us.ibm.com  Mon Apr 23 07:14:12 2012
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:14:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1335117601.14584.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.0.1335117601.14584.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OFA5834767.8F38F024-ON852579E9.00487C7D-852579E9.0048B6E2@us.ibm.com>

Related to the power question, is the internet access, WiFI or a media
center at Road Atlanta?

All set to roll, I think.

mike
63 Spit

G. Michael Harmuth


From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Apr 23 08:29:56 2012
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:29:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA?
Message-ID: <a23e.3d2f4c92.3cc6c164@aol.com>

In a message dated 04/23/2012 8:14:33 AM Central Daylight Time, 
harmug at us.ibm.com writes:


> <<< Related to the power question, is the internet access, WiFI or a 
> media
> center at Road Atlanta? >>>
> 

Mike...

This is a 'vintage event'.  

They have a telegraph service.

Bill (Damdinger)


From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Apr 23 08:39:00 2012
From: jason at multivintage.com (jason at multivintage.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:39:00 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA?
Message-ID: <mailman.65.1638252568.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

The Beady-eye crew has an in car telegraph system... So they should be able to teach us to use it.  I'll bring an Edison player... As they data log on a wax cylinder.
Jason
FGR
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To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA?
Sent: Apr 23, 2012 9:29 AM

In a message dated 04/23/2012 8:14:33 AM Central Daylight Time, 
harmug at us.ibm.com writes:


> <<< Related to the power question, is the internet access, WiFI or a 
> media
> center at Road Atlanta? >>>
> 

Mike...

This is a 'vintage event'.  

They have a telegraph service.

Bill (Damdinger)
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From jkhagen at charter.net  Mon Apr 23 08:56:42 2012
From: jkhagen at charter.net (jkhagen at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:56:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Mitty Car number swap request
Message-ID: <6c1cbc53.2d592b.136dfb463b6.Webtop.43@charter.net>

AMICI,, Good luck Sam--Maybe CMS Magazine would like an article about 
your car--They are doing one about Pat Starrs' TR powered Morgan he has 
been racing for 40+ years.  They have a picture of my car and the Morgan 
side by side from Brainerd in1973!--Both cars will be on the "Other" 
side of the main straight--with the "Bad Guys" [MG's] from Minnesota. 
Come and see us --we will also be trying to catch the Morgan. John Hagen 
#62


On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Sam Halkias wrote:

> I just checked the entry list for the Triumph event at the Mitty on 
> the HSR
> website and noticed I did not get the car number I requested. Bob 
> Wismer was
> assigned the #4 and my McComb Trubute TR6 got #14. Apparently we both
> requested #4 and Bob's entry must have beat mine in. As the car is a 
> Group 44
> look alike of the 1975 TR6 of McCombs championship at Road Atlanta I 
> would
> very much like to switch number with Bob. Are you on the list Bob? 
> Does
> anybody know how I can contact Bob in the event he's not seeing this 
> message?
> I would sure appreciate the favor Bob and I'll owe you one!
>
> Sam Halkias
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Apr 23 09:03:32 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:03:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA?
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No, No, No.....smoke signals 


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In a message dated 04/23/2012 8:14:33 AM Central Daylight Time,
harmug at us.ibm.com writes:


> <<< Related to the power question, is the internet access, WiFI or a 
> media
> center at Road Atlanta? >>>
> 

Mike...

This is a 'vintage event'.  

They have a telegraph service.

Bill (Damdinger)
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Mon Apr 23 09:15:13 2012
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:15:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA?
References: <a23e.3d2f4c92.3cc6c164@aol.com>
Message-ID: <79CDD87ED6CD49FBB43A035B8F407C2A@owner8914bbf7f>

What, no Pony Express?
Good luck to all who are going; it wasn't in the cards for me this year.
See you all somewhere later in the summer.
Bill----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <harmug at us.ibm.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA?


> In a message dated 04/23/2012 8:14:33 AM Central Daylight Time,
> harmug at us.ibm.com writes:
>
>
>> <<< Related to the power question, is the internet access, WiFI or a
>> media
>> center at Road Atlanta? >>>
>>
>
> Mike...
>
> This is a 'vintage event'.
>
> They have a telegraph service.
>
> Bill (Damdinger)
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Mon Apr 23 09:56:30 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:56:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 65, Issue 28- Internet at RA?
In-Reply-To: <OFA5834767.8F38F024-ON852579E9.00487C7D-852579E9.0048B6E2@us.ibm.com>
References: <mailman.0.1335117601.14584.fot@autox.team.net>
	<OFA5834767.8F38F024-ON852579E9.00487C7D-852579E9.0048B6E2@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <007501cd2169$a703f6f0$f50be4d0$@com>

The Media Center is in the tower across the track from the infield pits
(last I knew, upper levels). Whether they will have WiFi up and running
you'll need to contact Road Atlanta.

Otherwise the office building near the outfield entrance should have it,
whether it is open to everyone is a good question.

Another option may be if one of the FOT has a cell phone/data plan that can
provide a "hot-spot"

Aren't they using transponders for timing/scoring? Technology is in use.

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
"Reality, it's not what you think." 


From rblake36 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 23 12:48:04 2012
From: rblake36 at yahoo.com (Robert Blake)
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:48:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Tech at the Mitty
Message-ID: <1335206884.28530.YahooMailClassic@web125802.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I'm sure this question has been asked and answered, I just missed it. What is
the tech situation at the Mitty.  I am 2 months out of date on my annual,
having been 4 months in a rebuild.  Does FOT  have a tech rep assigned to us,
and if so, does anybody know the contact.  If not I guess I go thro tech with
the masses.  Appreciate any guidance.
Bob Blake


From yellow04 at tr4racer.com  Tue Apr 24 02:42:16 2012
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com (yellow04 at tr4racer.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 04:42:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tech at the Mitty
References: <1335206884.28530.YahooMailClassic@web125802.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3E99C65C1C3F4EABB28D0064D76546D8@TRIUMPH.local>

HSR is supposed to have a roving tech person over on our paddock. I have no 
details on when they will be there.

Henry
yellow04 at tr4racer.com
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To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:48 PM
Subject: [Fot] Tech at the Mitty


> I'm sure this question has been asked and answered, I just missed it. What 
> is
> the tech situation at the Mitty.  I am 2 months out of date on my annual,
> having been 4 months in a rebuild.  Does FOT  have a tech rep assigned to 
> us,
> and if so, does anybody know the contact.  If not I guess I go thro tech 
> with
> the masses.  Appreciate any guidance.
> Bob Blake
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue Apr 24 21:41:34 2012
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:41:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
Message-ID: <SNT134-W46DD51C93DA336B0E5C5B790270@phx.gbl>

Hello engine rebuilding enthusiasts.  I have assembled the lower end of my
Brand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a situation
where the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck.  Can I simply deal with
this by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket?  giving a .025" to .030"
clearance between the top of tht piston and the head?

I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is going
to take.

Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico


From malaboge at aol.com  Wed Apr 25 00:16:09 2012
From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:16:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
Message-ID: <8CEF0C20A928782-D28-2B459@webmail-m131.sysops.aol.com>

OK Henry...
Fess up, whats this "brand X" motor?  More info needed here...
first thoughts include:
decked block
longer rods
wrong pistons
some hotrodders have been known to setup a motor like this with a flycut head
or????



-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Morrison <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 24, 2012 8:41 pm
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)


Hello engine rebuilding enthusiasts.  I have assembled the lower end of my
rand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a situation
here the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck.  Can I simply deal with
his by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket?  giving a .025" to .030"
learance between the top of tht piston and the head?
I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is going
o take.
Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico
______________________________________________


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Wed Apr 25 05:25:34 2012
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:25:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
In-Reply-To: <20120424214534.CDD91026@resin13.mta.everyone.net>
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J & E  .....................Cheers, Henry


> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:45:34 -0700
> From: bfeken at copper.net
> To: dos_gusanos at msn.com
> Subject: Re: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
>
> Henry, What make of pistons are they
>
>
> Ken G at BFE
>
> --- dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote:
>
> From: Henry Morrison <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
> To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:41:34 -0600
>
> Hello engine rebuilding enthusiasts. I have assembled the lower end of my
> Brand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a
situation
> where the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck. Can I simply deal
with
> this by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket? giving a .025" to .030"
> clearance between the top of tht piston and the head?
>
> I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is
going
> to take.
>
> Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Wed Apr 25 05:31:09 2012
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:31:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW:  My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
In-Reply-To: <SNT134-W50F94863B76052D120A85B90270@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT134-W46DD51C93DA336B0E5C5B790270@phx.gbl>,
	<8CEF0C1CE37BD18-D28-2B44D@webmail-m131.sysops.aol.com>,
	<SNT134-W50F94863B76052D120A85B90270@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT134-W317C611EBD46C26996DFBF90270@phx.gbl>

From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
To: malaboge at aol.com
Subject: RE: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:29:13 -0600




MGA 1622 cc Carrillo Rods, J & E pistons,  I didn't deck the block but the PO
might have.....................Cheers Henry





To: dos_gusanos at msn.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
From: malaboge at aol.com
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:14:28 -0400


OK Henry...
Fess up, whats this "brand X" motor?  More info needed here...
first thoughts include:
decked block
longer rods
wrong pistons
some hotrodders have been known to setup a motor like this with a flycut head
or????



-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Morrison <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 24, 2012 8:41 pm
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)


Hello engine rebuilding enthusiasts.  I have assembled the lower end of my
Brand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a situation
where the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck.  Can I simply deal
with
this by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket?  giving a .025" to .030"
clearance between the top of tht piston and the head?

I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is going
to take.

Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Apr 25 07:19:16 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:19:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
In-Reply-To: <SNT134-W46DD51C93DA336B0E5C5B790270@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT134-W46DD51C93DA336B0E5C5B790270@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <mailman.66.1638252568.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

A thick copper gasket would do the trick if it seals OK.

Tony

At 10:41 PM 4/24/2012, Henry Morrison wrote:
>Hello engine rebuilding enthusiasts.  I have assembled the lower end of my
>Brand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a situation
>where the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck.  Can I simply deal with
>this by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket?  giving a .025" to .030"
>clearance between the top of tht piston and the head?
>
>I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is going
>to take.
>
>Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Wed Apr 25 09:08:04 2012
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:08:04 +0000
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
Message-ID: <772659026-1335366486-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-75590544-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry>

A thicker gasket would be easiest. 
 
However, be mindful that combustion pressure is obviously greatest near TDC. @ TDC the top compression ring will now have less cylinder space above it.  Somewhere I recall that the top ring should be about .100" below deck to mitigate pressure blow-by.  If  there are other opinions I'm all ears.  Not an "engineer" (love this word and so appropriate for this topic)
M
------Original Message------
From: Henry Morrison
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
Sent: Apr 24, 2012 8:41 PM

Hello engine rebuilding enthusiasts.  I have assembled the lower end of my
Brand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a situation
where the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck.  Can I simply deal with
this by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket?  giving a .025" to .030"
clearance between the top of tht piston and the head?

I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is going
to take.

Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico
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From malaboge at aol.com  Wed Apr 25 10:46:06 2012
From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:46:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] FW:  My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
In-Reply-To: <SNT134-W317C611EBD46C26996DFBF90270@phx.gbl>
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	<8CEF0C1CE37BD18-D28-2B44D@webmail-m131.sysops.aol.com>,
	<SNT134-W50F94863B76052D120A85B90270@phx.gbl>
	<SNT134-W317C611EBD46C26996DFBF90270@phx.gbl>
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Henry,

Well Carillo and J&E have been makin those bits for "a while now", so that's
prolly not the problem, but ya never know!.  Are these flat top pistons, or
the units with a "bar" across the top...or even "round top" pistons?  The
"bar" type will definitely protrude above the block.  The "round top" units
will also protrude above the block in the center and the "nose" that sticks
out between the valves on the head has to be slightly modified.  If they're
flat tops and every thing else measures OK, my bet is for decked block setup
for a flycut head...not an unknown setup on an MG motor.
Considering how marginal the head gasket setup is for MGA/B motors (and how
often it is the crux of between session thrashings) I don't think you're gonna
have a lot of success running a "fat" gasket.
Yeah 1622 blocks are getting a little scarce on the ground, so if it were
mine, I'd sell the J&E's and have another set made with a modified pin
position. Or, if there's enuf "meat" on the crown, cut 'em to fit.

ported and relieved, stroked and bored in Nor Cal
Nick






-----Original Message-----
From: Henry Morrison <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Apr 25, 2012 4:37 am
Subject: [Fot] FW: My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)


From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
o: malaboge at aol.com
ubject: RE: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
ate: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:29:13 -0600


GA 1622 cc Carrillo Rods, J & E pistons,  I didn't deck the block but the PO
ight have.....................Cheers Henry


To: dos_gusanos at msn.com
ubject: Re: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
rom: malaboge at aol.com
ate: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:14:28 -0400

K Henry...
ess up, whats this "brand X" motor?  More info needed here...
irst thoughts include:
ecked block
onger rods
rong pistons
ome hotrodders have been known to setup a motor like this with a flycut head
r????

-----Original Message-----
rom: Henry Morrison <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
o: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
ent: Tue, Apr 24, 2012 8:41 pm
ubject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)

ello engine rebuilding enthusiasts.  I have assembled the lower end of my
rand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a situation
here the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck.  Can I simply deal
ith
his by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket?  giving a .025" to .030"
learance between the top of tht piston and the head?
I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is going
o take.
Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Apr 25 14:42:51 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:42:51 +0000
Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up"  (what should I do)
In-Reply-To: <772659026-1335366486-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-75590544-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry>
References: <772659026-1335366486-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-75590544-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <SNT120-W6174407F7BD0DD58237187DF270@phx.gbl>

That is the exact same advice I gave him Mordy.

Never be beaten by equipment


> To: dos_gusanos at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net
> From: gasket.works at gte.net
> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:08:04 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
>
> A thicker gasket would be easiest.
>
> However, be mindful that combustion pressure is obviously greatest near TDC.
@ TDC the top compression ring will now have less cylinder space above it.
Somewhere I recall that the top ring should be about .100" below deck to
mitigate pressure blow-by. If there are other opinions I'm all ears. Not an
"engineer" (love this word and so appropriate for this topic)
> M
> ------Original Message------
> From: Henry Morrison
> Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> To: FOT
> Subject: [Fot] My Pistons "Pop Up" (what should I do)
> Sent: Apr 24, 2012 8:41 PM
>
> Hello engine rebuilding enthusiasts. I have assembled the lower end of my
> Brand X motor and through all my work and measuring, have created a
situation
> where the Pistons "pop up" about .030" above the deck. Can I simply deal
with
> this by purchasing a .060" thick solid head Gasket? giving a .025" to .030"
> clearance between the top of tht piston and the head?
>
> I'd rather not machine down the pistons but will if that is what it is
going
> to take.
>
> Cheers, Henry Morrison, New Mexico
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From markvaden at gmail.com  Wed Apr 25 15:04:04 2012
From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:04:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Headers for TR4
Message-ID: <CAExoegk7OJX7y4Hf9Vj1PBYFb_Ux052QPtfH=Cyk6SnUsH38LQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

Who sells a good set of headers for TR4 race engine?

-Mark


From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Wed Apr 25 15:35:54 2012
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:35:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Headers for TR4
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Message-ID: <000801cd232b$6557a120$3006e360$@com>

We purchased ours from Ted Schumacher at TS Imports.  We're very pleased
with it.  I was able to order it with a specified flange thickness (1/2
inch) to match up to the intake manifold flange so that the clamps would fit
properly without having to weld extra bits on the header flange or resort to
putting washers under the clamp ears.  I thought the price was right also.

Tim & Ryan Murphy
1961 TR-4 #317

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Behalf Of Mark Vaden
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 4:04 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Headers for TR4

Hi Everyone,

Who sells a good set of headers for TR4 race engine?

-Mark
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Thu Apr 26 19:38:59 2012
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (19to1tr6 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 01:38:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Here's the latest scoop on the Mitty!
In-Reply-To: <61D52A6C2A6C4707831021128292BA54@TRIUMPH.local>
Message-ID: <1891886527.1679825.1335490739529.JavaMail.root@sz0005a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Is an B Rv orB  enclosed trailer to tallB B  seems like a nice spot to set up
and shoot fromB  Stable and lots of room for equ. and an assistant.B B B B 
over an out.B B  robB B 
----- Original Message -----
From: yellow04 at tr4racer.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 7:13:15 PM
Subject: [Fot] Here's the latest scoop on the Mitty!

Everything is coming together very nicely, some of the details we need to
know are developing, so here goes...

The Panoramic Photo is happening Friday after the track goes quiet. The
picture will take place on the track, and it looks like we have a choice of
locations. No doubt it will be a keeper! Anyone who has ever participated in
one of these knows how time consuming the setup is, so everybody's patience
is appreciated. Our photographer will be Bob Lang, and we are trying to
secure a tall stepladder. If anyone has a stepladder taller than 6 feet and
can easily bring it, please email me off list!

We have several people coming that are looking for crew passes. If anyone
has any crew slots not being used, email me off list. If anyone needs a crew
pass, email me off list as well and we will see what we can work out.

Remember, if you are coming in your street Triumph and bought the Georgia
Triumph's entry, you do not need a crew pass. The GA Triumph credential gets
you anywhere crew can go!

I just found out the IMSA GTP cars will be over in the Pro Paddock with us.
There are only 15 of them, so don't worry, there will be plenty of room. I
think it will be great to have some very cool race cars in the paddock with
us! I should be getting a map, and will post it on the website when I get it
so there will be less confusion during setup.

Our hosts, Classic Motorsports has provided us with a canopy that will serve
as our Hospitality Tent. I think it will be 20X20. Speaking of our hosts, be
sure to thank Tim Suddard, Andy Reid, and the rest of the Classic
Motorsports crew for all their efforts. The amount of work involved to make
our part of this event go is huge, let alone the big picture.

I believe there will be a very short gathering in our Hospitality Tent on
Thursday night after the Test Day is done, more as that plan comes together.

Looking forward to seeing everybody again!

Cheers

Henry
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Apr 26 20:49:09 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:49:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Daydreaming
Message-ID: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>

While I obviously won't be there, at least I can wear my new shirt
and daydream about the event.

Thanks guys for the pleasant surprise in my mailbox!

mjb.


From mini at wi.rr.com  Thu Apr 26 22:25:57 2012
From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:25:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Looking for a TR6 engine in San Francisco area
Message-ID: <4F9A1FD5.1080700@wi.rr.com>

Looking for a good used engine for a TR6 in the San Francisco area. Good 
friend had a valve spring brake on her TR and the valve took out the 
whole engine. Looking to help her get her car back on the road.

Thanks


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr 26 22:40:36 2012
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:40:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Daydreaming
Message-ID: <l52bh2s8gctdh2lih5n732bh.1335501636856@email.android.com>

If you can't get to Atlanta, go to Miller. ALMS there this weekend. Ran into a few crew members on my way through SLC going to California.

Doug
--
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dmitchel at sbcglobal.net

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>While I obviously won't be there, at least I can wear my new shirt
>and daydream about the event.
>
>Thanks guys for the pleasant surprise in my mailbox!
>
>mjb.
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Fri Apr 27 12:08:20 2012
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:08:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Daydreaming
Message-ID: <pjhr5n7sp5lxfbkj1y77t9vm.1335550100096@email.android.com>

Ok, I meant World Championship, not ALMS. Late night, long day.

Doug
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Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>If you can't get to Atlanta, go to Miller. ALMS there this weekend. Ran into a few crew members on my way through SLC going to California.
>
>Doug
>--
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>dmitchel at sbcglobal.net
>
>Sent from my ASUS Eee Pad


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 27 14:04:38 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:04:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Daydreamingee
In-Reply-To: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>

It is hot...some guy in a 250K is running  3 sec faster than Quin Derby's spit
in2nd place.  Mark Wheatly is only 5 tents. Behind  Quin.  I am turning 58's
with Bob Kramer just just 2tenths behind. Wonder how he feels being behind his
old car?



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> and daydream about the event.
>
> Thanks guys for the pleasant surprise in my mailbox!
>
> mjb.
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Fri Apr 27 14:47:07 2012
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 16:47:07 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Daydreamingee
In-Reply-To: <B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>

I can answer that in one word. Motivated.

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On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:04 PM, John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:

> car?


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 27 14:49:01 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:49:01 +0200
Subject: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....
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	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
	<30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <002701cd24b7$2e4150e0$8ac3f2a0$@com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Q6O5zGKrE&feature=share

Cheers
Chris


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Apr 27 15:44:57 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 17:44:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] The MITTY   THE KASTNER cUP
In-Reply-To: <B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <8CEF2D61F7CE181-2404-A529@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com>

 The John Hasty car looks good and well driven.

The Father/Son teams are doing well and to be cherished.

Some unfortunate  triumph attrition, but no injuries.

Kas has developed a short list already, but it is always a surprise at the
checker.

Lot's of interesting people here and always a great time talking to them.

Sean....is learning the track with his first two sessions ever here.  A fuel
handling problem distracted him somewhat, but he isolated the cause and fixed
it. No doubt he will move up in the pack somewhat in the next session, Always
does a great job.

Still hoping other son, Mark, will arrive on a plane today.



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com





-----Original Message-----
From: John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com>
To: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: Friends of Triumph <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Apr 27, 2012 3:05 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Daydreamingee


It is hot...some guy in a 250K is running  3 sec faster than Quin Derby's
spit
in2nd place.  Mark Wheatly is only 5 tents. Behind  Quin.  I am turning 58's
with Bob Kramer just just 2tenths behind. Wonder how he feels being behind
his
old car?



Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 26, 2012, at 10:49 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

> While I obviously won't be there, at least I can wear my new shirt
> and daydream about the event.
>
> Thanks guys for the pleasant surprise in my mailbox!
>
> mjb.
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From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 16:21:52 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:21:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Daydreamingee
In-Reply-To: <30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
	<30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNDyhGxw75c-Vd9UOZDEca5Mq10i++Xgpy1KsSzEA8O5RA@mail.gmail.com>

You all did catch that let is a Spit in second!
On Apr 27, 2012 4:47 PM, "Bob Kramer" <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> I can answer that in one word. Motivated.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:04 PM, John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:
>
> > car?
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Fri Apr 27 17:12:34 2012
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:12:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Daydreamingee
In-Reply-To: <CAMc4sNDyhGxw75c-Vd9UOZDEca5Mq10i++Xgpy1KsSzEA8O5RA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
	<30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
	<CAMc4sNDyhGxw75c-Vd9UOZDEca5Mq10i++Xgpy1KsSzEA8O5RA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C35432FB-4D1C-48BA-A47A-E00556359993@141.com>

Oh yes, that awesome fact was noted!!!

Susan   :)

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2012, at 6:21 PM, "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley"
<triosan at gmail.com> wrote:

> You all did catch that let is a Spit in second!
> On Apr 27, 2012 4:47 PM, "Bob Kramer" <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I can answer that in one word. Motivated.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:04 PM, John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:
>>
>>> car?
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 27 18:09:13 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:09:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Daydreamingee
In-Reply-To: <30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
	<30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <942E2C9C-938D-43FC-A4FE-DF08393C3BAC@gdhs.com>

See ya @ 8:15

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> I can answer that in one word. Motivated.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:04 PM, John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:
> 
>> car?


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Apr 27 18:18:37 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 20:18:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....
In-Reply-To: <002701cd24b7$2e4150e0$8ac3f2a0$@com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
	<30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
	<002701cd24b7$2e4150e0$8ac3f2a0$@com>
Message-ID: <38125A19-752C-4EB0-99F5-54D1D5AE01DD@gdhs.com>

Chris. What are those horrible Italian things on the right side of the motor?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:49 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Q6O5zGKrE&feature=share
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From tr6driver at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 27 19:45:35 2012
From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:45:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Help needed at the Mitty...
In-Reply-To: <38125A19-752C-4EB0-99F5-54D1D5AE01DD@gdhs.com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
	<30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
	<002701cd24b7$2e4150e0$8ac3f2a0$@com>
	<38125A19-752C-4EB0-99F5-54D1D5AE01DD@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <76D801E5-7867-4310-AB47-9FBEE265D32C@yahoo.com>

Anyone got a right front brake caliper for a '75 TR6?  We lost one in the
endure this afternoon and the spares are at home...trying to get Joe out there
for the Cup tomorrow...this is for Lacey, the ChumpCar.

You can reach me at 919-278-8 four one two if you can help...thanks in
advance

Jamie Palmer
Squadron Leader
RiffRAF Racing


On Apr 27, 2012, at 8:18 PM, John Hasty <jhhasty at gdhs.com> wrote:

> Chris. What are those horrible Italian things on the right side of the
motor?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:49 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Q6O5zGKrE&feature=share
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Apr 27 20:53:42 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 22:53:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] THE MITTY    AND THE VTR   KASTNER CUP POSTERS
Message-ID: <8CEF3014140554F-2404-B755@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com>

 The Kastner Cup posters have arrived .    Come to the KASTNER CUP HOSPITALITY
TENT in the PRO - PADDOCK and pick up your KCUP POSTER as a VTR and FOT
MEMBER.

We will be here all day on Saturday. There will all kinds of interesting
characters available to sign.




Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Apr 27 21:18:26 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:18:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP PRESENTATION-  Saturday
Message-ID: <8CEF304B5F7123F-2404-B847@webmail-d032.sysops.aol.com>

stand by for media tower announcements.....we may have the presentation at the
Kastner Cup Hospitality Tent.

that makes sense for all of us that are racing, but it might be bit noisy.

on the other hand we will have posters, Kastner Cup, and racers close by.

it's the best plan i can come up with at the moment.......

next year will be a lot easier....this is such a huge event at ROAD ATLANTA

thanks to CLASSIC MOTORSPORTS for making this all happen.

AND for a non-organization we do very well. What a great bunch of folks.
Thank you all.




Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com


From cwnfot at gmail.com  Fri Apr 27 19:37:42 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:37:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mitty
In-Reply-To: <000801cd232b$6557a120$3006e360$@com>
References: <CAExoegk7OJX7y4Hf9Vj1PBYFb_Ux052QPtfH=Cyk6SnUsH38LQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000801cd232b$6557a120$3006e360$@com>
Message-ID: <DB9EA369-C643-4635-934C-FF8367F30BB9@gmail.com>

Smartphone app Race Monitor will have real time scoring of Mitty races. FYI

Sent from my iPhone
Clark


From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Sat Apr 28 10:31:18 2012
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (Christopher Bock)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:31:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mitty
In-Reply-To: <DB9EA369-C643-4635-934C-FF8367F30BB9@gmail.com>
References: <CAExoegk7OJX7y4Hf9Vj1PBYFb_Ux052QPtfH=Cyk6SnUsH38LQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000801cd232b$6557a120$3006e360$@com>
	<DB9EA369-C643-4635-934C-FF8367F30BB9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0051B4A8-AAE1-4499-8EE5-968CA2819E6C@aol.com>

Cant connect.   It's the only I can be there.    I wish I could of gone!

On Apr 27, 2012, at 9:37 PM, "Clark W. Nicholls" <cwnfot at gmail.com> wrote:

> Smartphone app Race Monitor will have real time scoring of Mitty races. FYI
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> Clark
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Apr 28 13:31:43 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:31:43 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Team.Net web server
In-Reply-To: <4F9C4342.9000605@bradakis.com>
References: <4F9C4342.9000605@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4F9C459F.90402@bradakis.com>

While working on one problem I accidently caused another, as anyone who
tried to get to the forums, the mailman admin page, the donate link or
whatever during the last 12 hours or so would know.

The server is now responding, though the problems I was working on are still
unresolved.  I'd rather be at The Mitty!

mjb.


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Sat Apr 28 17:11:02 2012
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:11:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Transportation
Message-ID: <139AEC3F-313D-4ACC-8BCA-AB0FF13A5E99@comcast.net>

Hello:

I know it's a long shot but worth asking, I may have a TR4 to ship from San
Francisco area to northern Illinois.  By chance will anyone have an empty
trailer going that route in the near future?  If not, any suggestions other
than the commercial car carriers?  Thanks.

Gary


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Sat Apr 28 17:15:39 2012
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Vintage Racer)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 16:15:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Car transport
Message-ID: <630B7DA6-4D1D-43FC-A244-703CB83D7F63@comcast.net>

Mistake on my last email, destination is Indiana not Illinois.

Gary

Sent from my iPad


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Apr 29 13:34:39 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:34:39 +0200
Subject: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....
In-Reply-To: <38125A19-752C-4EB0-99F5-54D1D5AE01DD@gdhs.com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com>
	<B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com>
	<30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com>
	<002701cd24b7$2e4150e0$8ac3f2a0$@com>
	<38125A19-752C-4EB0-99F5-54D1D5AE01DD@gdhs.com>
Message-ID: <000001cd263f$1fb76440$5f262cc0$@com>

Horrible?
They make it sound.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 28. April 2012 02:19
An: MadMarx
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Chris. What are those horrible Italian things on the right side of the
motor?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:49 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Q6O5zGKrE&feature=share
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Apr 29 13:46:16 2012
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 12:46:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....
In-Reply-To: <000001cd263f$1fb76440$5f262cc0$@com>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com><B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com><30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com><002701cd24b7$2e4150e0$8ac3f2a0$@com><38125A19-752C-4EB0-99F5-54D1D5AE01DD@gdhs.com>
	<000001cd263f$1fb76440$5f262cc0$@com>
Message-ID: <DC533DDDCDC14D20A52ED7031B56EE48@Vista>

Doesn't take long to get the engine up to operating temperature with no
coolant in it.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 12:35 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Horrible?
They make it sound.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 28. April 2012 02:19
An: MadMarx
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Chris. What are those horrible Italian things on the right side of the
motor?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:49 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Q6O5zGKrE&feature=share
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sun Apr 29 13:49:00 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:49:00 +0200
Subject: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....
In-Reply-To: <DC533DDDCDC14D20A52ED7031B56EE48@Vista>
References: <4F9A0925.2050705@bradakis.com><B4B2CC38-1997-4E66-8902-17BD87B571C0@gdhs.com><30AA5806-6801-4FC8-A79B-B74E3D9385C0@austin.rr.com><002701cd24b7$2e4150e0$8ac3f2a0$@com><38125A19-752C-4EB0-99F5-54D1D5AE01DD@gdhs.com>
	<000001cd263f$1fb76440$5f262cc0$@com>
	<DC533DDDCDC14D20A52ED7031B56EE48@Vista>
Message-ID: <000001cd2641$21bda9a0$6538fce0$@com>

Very true....that's why not to run it too long at this stage.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. April 2012 21:46
An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Doesn't take long to get the engine up to operating temperature with no
coolant in it.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 12:35 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Horrible?
They make it sound.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 28. April 2012 02:19
An: MadMarx
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Chris. What are those horrible Italian things on the right side of the
motor?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:49 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Q6O5zGKrE&feature=share
>
> Cheers
> Chris
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Sun Apr 29 19:09:04 2012
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:09:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....
In-Reply-To: <000001cd2641$21bda9a0$6538fce0$@com>
Message-ID: <1335748144.86287.YahooMailClassic@web184417.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Chris: Was that first start of the engine? I have been lead to understand that
in the first  10-20 minutes of running we should not "blip" the throttle
because the cam/lifters are breaking in to each other...that this is the moost
critiical time for thhe engine. Do you use a different procedure?

Ed

--- On Sun, 4/29/12, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:


From: MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....
To: "'Friends of Triumph'" <FOT at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, April 29, 2012, 2:49 PM


Very true....that's why not to run it too long at this stage.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. April 2012 21:46
An: 'MadMarx'; 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: RE: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Doesn't take long to get the engine up to operating temperature with no
coolant in it.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 12:35 PM
To: 'Friends of Triumph'
Subject: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Horrible?
They make it sound.


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Hasty [mailto:jhhasty at gdhs.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 28. April 2012 02:19
An: MadMarx
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Betreff: Re: [Fot] First action on my rebuild engine....

Chris. What are those horrible Italian things on the right side of the
motor?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2012, at 4:49 PM, "MadMarx" <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Q6O5zGKrE&feature=share
>
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> Chris
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Apr 29 21:00:55 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 21:00:55 -0600
Subject: [Fot] So....
Message-ID: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com>

Kastner Cup results?

mjb.


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Apr 29 22:20:55 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 23:20:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] So....
In-Reply-To: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com>
References: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>

Kastner Cup went to Randy WIlliams

Mechanical casualty highlights
Ventilated blocks: Marty Sukey, Henry Frye
Lost valve or piston: Bobby Whitehead
Engine swaps: Bill Hart (Tony Garmey), Jerry Barker (still had
inexplicable head gasket problems afterwards)

Race results:
1. Tony Garmey, 250K
2. Mike Munson, TR-6 (nice flames in the paint)
3. Randy Williams, TR-3
4. Quinn Derby, Spit
5. Leigh Derby, Spit
6. Mark Wheatley, TR-4
7. George Wright, TR-4
8. Tony Drews, TR-4
9. David Cizmas, TR-6
10. Jim Stouffer, TR-6
11. Bob Kramer, TR-4
12. Greg Blake, TR-3
13. Greg Kimbrough, Spit
14. Jason Ostrowski, GT-6
15. Sean Alexander, TR-4
16. William Newman, GT-6
17. John Hasty, TR-3
18. Bill Collings, Spit
19. Bob Lembke, "66 Triumph Mk 2 1147" - Spit I assume
20. Joe Hovey, Spit
21. Robert DeAnes, TR-4
22. Bill Hart, Devin TR
23. Susan Kahler, Spit
24. John Hagen, TR-4
25. Henry Frye in Bill Dentinger's TR-3 (what a nice thing for Bill to do!)
26. George Michael Harmut, Spit
27. Bob Wismer, TR-4
28. Joseph Downer, TR-6
29. John Nikas in Dennis Delap's TR-4 (what a nice thing for Dennis to do!)
30. John Fridirici, TR-3
31. Jerry Barker, Spitfire

- Tony Drews

> Kastner Cup results?
>
> mjb.


From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Apr 29 23:40:03 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 23:40:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] So....
In-Reply-To: <72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
References: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com>
	<72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <4F9E25B3.6080205@bradakis.com>

Thanks for the info.  I am sure we'll be hearing more from the participants
in the coming days as they get back home and decompress.

mjb.


From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Sun Apr 29 23:42:13 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 22:42:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] So....
In-Reply-To: <72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
References: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com>
	<72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3C55@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

Congratulations to the winners, meaning all of you who participated in this
terrific event.

Ed Dunn




-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of tony at tonydrews.com
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:21 PM
To: Mark J Bradakis
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] So....

Kastner Cup went to Randy WIlliams

Mechanical casualty highlights
Ventilated blocks: Marty Sukey, Henry Frye Lost valve or piston: Bobby
Whitehead Engine swaps: Bill Hart (Tony Garmey), Jerry Barker (still had
inexplicable head gasket problems afterwards)

Race results:
1. Tony Garmey, 250K
2. Mike Munson, TR-6 (nice flames in the paint) 3. Randy Williams, TR-3 4.
Quinn Derby, Spit 5. Leigh Derby, Spit 6. Mark Wheatley, TR-4 7. George
Wright, TR-4 8. Tony Drews, TR-4 9. David Cizmas, TR-6 10. Jim Stouffer, TR-6
11. Bob Kramer, TR-4 12. Greg Blake, TR-3 13. Greg Kimbrough, Spit 14. Jason
Ostrowski, GT-6 15. Sean Alexander, TR-4 16. William Newman, GT-6 17. John
Hasty, TR-3 18. Bill Collings, Spit 19. Bob Lembke, "66 Triumph Mk 2 1147" -
Spit I assume 20. Joe Hovey, Spit 21. Robert DeAnes, TR-4 22. Bill Hart, Devin
TR 23. Susan Kahler, Spit 24. John Hagen, TR-4 25. Henry Frye in Bill
Dentinger's TR-3 (what a nice thing for Bill to do!) 26. George Michael
Harmut, Spit 27. Bob Wismer, TR-4 28. Joseph Downer, TR-6 29. John Nikas in
Dennis Delap's TR-4 (what a nice thing for Dennis to do!) 30. John Fridirici,
TR-3 31. Jerry Barker, Spitfire

- Tony Drews

> Kastner Cup results?
>
> mjb.
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From cwnfot at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 05:41:45 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:41:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mitty
In-Reply-To: <0051B4A8-AAE1-4499-8EE5-968CA2819E6C@aol.com>
References: <CAExoegk7OJX7y4Hf9Vj1PBYFb_Ux052QPtfH=Cyk6SnUsH38LQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000801cd232b$6557a120$3006e360$@com>
	<DB9EA369-C643-4635-934C-FF8367F30BB9@gmail.com>
	<0051B4A8-AAE1-4499-8EE5-968CA2819E6C@aol.com>
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Hopefully this will help.
A friend is monitoring the races from CT using his Smartphone, so it is
possible...

http://www.race-monitor.com/Home/FAQ 

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
"Reality, it's not what you think."


From cwnfot at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 05:56:45 2012
From: cwnfot at gmail.com (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:56:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] So....
In-Reply-To: <72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
References: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com>
	<72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <004501cd26c8$51c608e0$f5521aa0$@com>

John Hasty, TR-3, should get a "Hard Charger" or "most fun" award!
He started at the rear since the grid was based on the morning Qualifying
session only and his "let's try this" didn't work. He had a ball moving up.

The event was great! Kudos to the FOT!
I had a lot of fun chatting with the Slagles in particular and catching up
from decades ago!
Also great to see Dick Gilmartin since he left the Lime Rock area a few
years ago.
http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/DickGilmartin.htm 
And Jerry Barker, and Jim Reeves and ..... Wow!
And of course the other usual suspects...
Anyone see Ric Cline?

Clark
Clark W. Nicholls
1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U) 
and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
"Reality, it's not what you think."


-----Original Message-----

Race results:
1. Tony Garmey, 250K
2. Mike Munson, TR-6 (nice flames in the paint)
3. Randy Williams, TR-3
4. Quinn Derby, Spit
5. Leigh Derby, Spit
6. Mark Wheatley, TR-4
7. George Wright, TR-4
8. Tony Drews, TR-4
9. David Cizmas, TR-6
10. Jim Stouffer, TR-6
11. Bob Kramer, TR-4
12. Greg Blake, TR-3
13. Greg Kimbrough, Spit
14. Jason Ostrowski, GT-6
15. Sean Alexander, TR-4
16. William Newman, GT-6
17. John Hasty, TR-3
18. Bill Collings, Spit
19. Bob Lembke, "66 Triumph Mk 2 1147" - Spit I assume
20. Joe Hovey, Spit
21. Robert DeAnes, TR-4
22. Bill Hart, Devin TR
23. Susan Kahler, Spit
24. John Hagen, TR-4
25. Henry Frye in Bill Dentinger's TR-3 (what a nice thing for Bill to do!)
26. George Michael Harmut, Spit
27. Bob Wismer, TR-4
28. Joseph Downer, TR-6
29. John Nikas in Dennis Delap's TR-4 (what a nice thing for Dennis to do!)
30. John Fridirici, TR-3
31. Jerry Barker, Spitfire

- Tony Drews


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Apr 30 10:05:28 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (john hasty)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:05:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] So....
In-Reply-To: <72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
References: <4F9E0067.9050709@bradakis.com>
	<72f09faed016a4ebef07d57955f3432b.squirrel@www.tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <40D67601CDF0412F99B2696730D80B40@gdhs.local>

Congrats to Randy....just wish my 3A was as fast as his or perhaps it should
be, wish I was as fast as he is! 


John H. Hasty
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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of tony at tonydrews.com
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 12:21 AM
To: Mark J Bradakis
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] So....

Kastner Cup went to Randy WIlliams

Mechanical casualty highlights
Ventilated blocks: Marty Sukey, Henry Frye Lost valve or piston: Bobby
Whitehead Engine swaps: Bill Hart (Tony Garmey), Jerry Barker (still had
inexplicable head gasket problems afterwards)

Race results:
1. Tony Garmey, 250K
2. Mike Munson, TR-6 (nice flames in the paint) 3. Randy Williams, TR-3 4.
Quinn Derby, Spit 5. Leigh Derby, Spit 6. Mark Wheatley, TR-4 7. George
Wright, TR-4 8. Tony Drews, TR-4 9. David Cizmas, TR-6 10. Jim Stouffer,
TR-6 11. Bob Kramer, TR-4 12. Greg Blake, TR-3 13. Greg Kimbrough, Spit 14.
Jason Ostrowski, GT-6 15. Sean Alexander, TR-4 16. William Newman, GT-6 17.
John Hasty, TR-3 18. Bill Collings, Spit 19. Bob Lembke, "66 Triumph Mk 2
1147" - Spit I assume 20. Joe Hovey, Spit 21. Robert DeAnes, TR-4 22. Bill
Hart, Devin TR 23. Susan Kahler, Spit 24. John Hagen, TR-4 25. Henry Frye in
Bill Dentinger's TR-3 (what a nice thing for Bill to do!) 26. George Michael
Harmut, Spit 27. Bob Wismer, TR-4 28. Joseph Downer, TR-6 29. John Nikas in
Dennis Delap's TR-4 (what a nice thing for Dennis to do!) 30. John
Fridirici, TR-3 31. Jerry Barker, Spitfire

- Tony Drews

> Kastner Cup results?
>
> mjb.
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Apr 30 10:52:15 2012
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:52:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Congrats to all at the Mitty/K-Cup
Message-ID: <1680098839.1692028.1335804735081.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Congratulations to all, it sounds like a great weekend except for some engine failures. 

Was the 2013 K-Cup Race location announced over the weekend ? 



jim g 


From triosan at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 10:52:15 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:52:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] K Cup '12 some Photos
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNC3x=JXxe=PNEAs8xqNPo6G2Gm+gQ0Y2+x+z7PcyAbSpQ@mail.gmail.com>

I took over a thousand -- will spend a week editing and arranging.  Thought
To post a few.  they are at:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737230335039145089
.

My favorrite was the father and son team of Quinn [son] and Leigh Derby
driving insanely fast spits.  They came in 4/5th respectively -- with dad
having the fastest time -- in the 1:49 range -- just spectacular.  Randy
not only drove the TR3's wheels off, he finished the K Cup and immediately
jumped into his E Jag for the next race.  Immaculately prepared and
presented cars.  He did pass Mike Munson a couple of times  -- nad Mike is
a great driver of an SCCA prepared TR6.  The 75 car [Newman Tribute]
unfortunately crashed had into a wall on the esses during the fist
practice.  The strat was spectacular and if Jerry Barker's Spit had held
together we would have had a different order of finish -- he is the white
one in the start picture and came from 8th or so to 2nd on the front
straight [maybe 3rd, did not see what happened between he and Munson going
up the hill after turn 1.

Much more reporting to come.  Wish I got to drive, but sure appreciate
Henry getting me a media pass so I could roam the track taking pictures.

Chuck ['69 TR6]

On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Clark W. Nicholls <cwnfot at gmail.com> wrote:

> John Hasty, TR-3, should get a "Hard Charger" or "most fun" award!
> He started at the rear since the grid was based on the morning Qualifying
> session only and his "let's try this" didn't work. He had a ball moving up.
>
> The event was great! Kudos to the FOT!
> I had a lot of fun chatting with the Slagles in particular and catching up
> from decades ago!
> Also great to see Dick Gilmartin since he left the Lime Rock area a few
> years ago.
> http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/DickGilmartin.htm
> And Jerry Barker, and Jim Reeves and ..... Wow!
> And of course the other usual suspects...
> Anyone see Ric Cline?
>
> Clark
> Clark W. Nicholls
> 1972 Stag (LE7931E), 1974 Spitfire (FM14571U)
> and 1 rusty GT6 needing new owner
> "Reality, it's not what you think."
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Race results:
> 1. Tony Garmey, 250K
> 2. Mike Munson, TR-6 (nice flames in the paint)
> 3. Randy Williams, TR-3
> 4. Quinn Derby, Spit
> 5. Leigh Derby, Spit
> 6. Mark Wheatley, TR-4
> 7. George Wright, TR-4
> 8. Tony Drews, TR-4
> 9. David Cizmas, TR-6
> 10. Jim Stouffer, TR-6
> 11. Bob Kramer, TR-4
> 12. Greg Blake, TR-3
> 13. Greg Kimbrough, Spit
> 14. Jason Ostrowski, GT-6
> 15. Sean Alexander, TR-4
> 16. William Newman, GT-6
> 17. John Hasty, TR-3
> 18. Bill Collings, Spit
> 19. Bob Lembke, "66 Triumph Mk 2 1147" - Spit I assume
> 20. Joe Hovey, Spit
> 21. Robert DeAnes, TR-4
> 22. Bill Hart, Devin TR
> 23. Susan Kahler, Spit
> 24. John Hagen, TR-4
> 25. Henry Frye in Bill Dentinger's TR-3 (what a nice thing for Bill to do!)
> 26. George Michael Harmut, Spit
> 27. Bob Wismer, TR-4
> 28. Joseph Downer, TR-6
> 29. John Nikas in Dennis Delap's TR-4 (what a nice thing for Dennis to do!)
> 30. John Fridirici, TR-3
> 31. Jerry Barker, Spitfire
>
> - Tony Drews
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-- 
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From jhd11 at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 30 11:48:31 2012
From: jhd11 at hotmail.com (Joe Henry)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:48:31 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mitty Musings
Message-ID: <COL118-W506CBC5B9EDC1F2937B941A9280@phx.gbl>

     Just a quick note to say how much I enjoyed the weekend and a big Thank
You to all those that made it possible.  I really appreciate those people that
helped our team make this a possibility when they could have easily said you
are not welcome.  I hoped that we showed that we are just like everybody else
in the group...Triumph Racers!

     I need to say thanks to a couple of FOT members especially, Marty Sukey
and David Cizmas.  Without their willingness to help us with parts we did not
have, we would have been on the trailer for the race.  I am sure if I had
asked any other FOT member, the result would have been the same.  To me, this
is what racing is all about.  Gentleman, I hope to be able to return the favor
some day.  Also thanks to Ted Schumacher.

     Lastly, thanks to my team mates, Jack McGahey and Jamie Palmer and Kevin
Andrews.  I could not have done it without you!  Hopefully, next time we can
move up a little in the finishing order!

Joe Downer
Charlotte, N.C.
#0 TR6
RiffRAF Racing


From triosan at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 12:54:07 2012
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:54:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] New link to FOT Mitty 12/Kas Cup sample photos
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNAbQa0Hqg-x8Nf6Q_WXD=R3O5af_-QFgUzuFv1B2baXHA@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry the first link did not work.  Pretty sure this one does:

https://plus.google.com/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737230335039145089?authkey=CN_L7IOOzO-PHg

someone let me know.

-- 
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Apr 30 13:08:04 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:08:04 +0200
Subject: [Fot] 2nd action on my rebuild engine....
In-Reply-To: <1335790323.25276.YahooMailClassic@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <000901cd26a3$38dffae0$aa9ff0a0$@com>
	<1335790323.25276.YahooMailClassic@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000701cd2704$9501fba0$bf05f2e0$@com>

Hi,

today I had the first roll out.
As there were some comments about my rude way of working the engineb&b&after
rolling out of town I gave on an uphill section full throttle in high gear to
force the engine to steam against the hill, rubbing the piston rings heavy to
the sleeves. Just to make them seat well. As I was occasionally far beyond the
allowed speed I provide this video from a more secret account:

https://plus.google.com/photos/102440903029299386312/albums/57055813641005425
13/5737262283241900450


Cheers
Chris


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Apr 30 13:44:31 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:44:31 +0200
Subject: [Fot] 2nd action on my rebuild engine....
References: <000901cd26a3$38dffae0$aa9ff0a0$@com>
	<1335790323.25276.YahooMailClassic@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <000801cd2709$ab4ab000$01e01000$@com>

Does this link work:

https://plus.google.com/102440903029299386312/videos



-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 30. April 2012 21:08
An: 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: 2nd action on my rebuild engine....

Hi,

today I had the first roll out.
As there were some comments about my rude way of working the engineb&b&after
rolling out of town I gave on an uphill section full throttle in high gear to
force the engine to steam against the hill, rubbing the piston rings heavy to
the sleeves. Just to make them seat well. As I was occasionally far beyond the
allowed speed I provide this video from a more secret account:

https://plus.google.com/photos/102440903029299386312/albums/57055813641005425
13/5737262283241900450


Cheers
Chris


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Apr 30 13:51:49 2012
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:51:49 +0200
Subject: [Fot] 2nd action on my rebuild engine....
References: <000901cd26a3$38dffae0$aa9ff0a0$@com>
	<1335790323.25276.YahooMailClassic@web184419.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>  
Message-ID: <000901cd270a$b1f397e0$15dac7a0$@com>

These google accounts doesn't work properly.

http://youtu.be/5K-CHgyHNoE



-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 30. April 2012 21:45
An: 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: AW: 2nd action on my rebuild engine....

Does this link work:

https://plus.google.com/102440903029299386312/videos



-----UrsprC<ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 30. April 2012 21:08
An: 'Friends of Triumph'
Betreff: 2nd action on my rebuild engine....

Hi,

today I had the first roll out.
As there were some comments about my rude way of working the engineb&b&after
rolling out of town I gave on an uphill section full throttle in high gear to
force the engine to steam against the hill, rubbing the piston rings heavy to
the sleeves. Just to make them seat well. As I was occasionally far beyond the
allowed speed I provide this video from a more secret account:

https://plus.google.com/photos/102440903029299386312/albums/57055813641005425
13/5737262283241900450


Cheers
Chris


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Apr 30 14:05:15 2012
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:05:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] New link to FOT Mitty 12/Kas Cup sample photos
References: <CAMc4sNAbQa0Hqg-x8Nf6Q_WXD=R3O5af_-QFgUzuFv1B2baXHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FE716AF837994A7BB7D8CA09FFA46D7D@Charly>

It works!
Charly Mitchel
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" <triosan at gmail.com>
To: "Friends" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 11:54 AM
Subject: [Fot] New link to FOT Mitty 12/Kas Cup sample photos


> Sorry the first link did not work.  Pretty sure this one does:
>
> https://plus.google.com/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737230335039145089?authkey=CN_L7IOOzO-PHg
>
> someone let me know.
>
> -- 
> Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Apr 30 14:15:39 2012
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:15:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] New link to FOT Mitty 12/Kas Cup sample photos
In-Reply-To: <CAMc4sNAbQa0Hqg-x8Nf6Q_WXD=R3O5af_-QFgUzuFv1B2baXHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <428952370.1517776.1335816939820.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Beautiful shots, Chuck. 
Can hardly wait to see more. 
Thanks for taking and posting them. 
Dave H. 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley" <triosan at gmail.com> 
To: "Friends" <fot at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 11:54:07 AM 
Subject: [Fot] New link to FOT Mitty 12/Kas Cup sample photos 

Sorry the first link did not work. Pretty sure this one does: 

https://plus.google.com/photos/103241823961257430252/albums/5737230335039145089?authkey=CN_L7IOOzO-PHg 

someone let me know. 

-- 
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley 
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fot at autox.team.net 

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From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Apr 30 16:47:18 2012
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:47:18 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
Message-ID: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>

I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.

Never be beaten by equipment


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Apr 30 17:24:23 2012
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:24:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
References: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D8DBF58FDA3949A58A04534B96E633AC@Charly>

2nd.
Charly Mitchel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>; "Suzanne Winters" <sarcee at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 3:47 PM
Subject: [Fot] Nimination


>I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
> TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's 
> crazy
> too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great 
> expertise.
> I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
> girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and 
> stuff.
>
> Never be beaten by equipment
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Mon Apr 30 17:27:47 2012
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:27:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F9F1FF3.6060902@141.com>

SECOND!!!!!!!!!!!!! We can certainly use another crazy-about-Triumphs 
lady on here!   :D

And thanks for the great job with Kas' web site, Suzanne! Welcome to the 
list!

Keep Triumphing,

Susan      :)


On 4/30/2012 6:47 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:
> I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
> TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
> too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
> I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
> girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.
>
> Never be beaten by equipment
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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-- 
The distinction between genius and stupidity is that the former has its limits.


From edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com  Mon Apr 30 17:27:23 2012
From: edunn at qualityfueltrailers.com (Edward Dunn)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:27:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <36946218D9EC344498D59FD515FE20FB0177226A3C6B@TITAN.dwholdings.local>

Any friend of Kas is in. Seconded!

Edward Dunn

Quality Fuel Trailer & Tank, Inc.
1611 S. Rancho Santa Fe Road,  Suite C
San Marcos, CA 92078

800-509-1904  x.12



Made In America


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Kas Kastner
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 3:47 PM
To: fot; Suzanne Winters
Subject: [Fot] Nimination

I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.

Never be beaten by equipment
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

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From tylerpthompson at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 30 17:34:45 2012
From: tylerpthompson at yahoo.com (=?utf-8?B?dHlsZXJwdGhvbXBzb25AeWFob28uY29t?=)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:34:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Nimination?=
Message-ID: <550559.87359.bm@smtp220.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Definitely.  If she is your pal, she must be a Triumph nut.  

Ty

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>, "Suzanne Winters" <sarcee at gmail.com>
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
Date: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 4:47 pm


I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.

Never be beaten by equipment
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Mon Apr 30 17:34:21 2012
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:34:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F9F217D.60706@cfl.rr.com>

A second here!!

Bob Davis

On 4/30/12 6:47 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:
> I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
> TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
> too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
> I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
> girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.
>
> Never be beaten by equipment
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 30 17:53:25 2012
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:53:25 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
Message-ID: <987744.1335830005939.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I second the nomination.  Welcome Suzanne.

~Steve Belfer


-----Original Message-----
>From: Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net>
>Sent: Apr 30, 2012 3:47 PM
>To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>, Suzanne Winters <sarcee at gmail.com>
>Subject: [Fot] Nimination
>
>I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
>TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
>too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
>I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
>girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.
>
>Never be beaten by equipment
>_______________________________________________
>fot at autox.team.net
>
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Apr 30 18:12:41 2012
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:12:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E62CF20A-B705-462A-A0F0-CAB0E4D36000@gdhs.com>

Sure if she meets your goals must be a great addition.  Nice chatting with you
Sat.  Great choice for the cup....

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:47 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:

> I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
> TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's
crazy
> too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great
expertise.
> I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
> girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and
stuff.
>
> Never be beaten by equipment
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Apr 30 18:26:59 2012
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:26:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <086501cd2731$1fe82240$5fb866c0$@rr.com>

> By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and
> stuff.

Never let someone drive you nuts, when you know it's within walking
distance!

Welcome to the asylum, Suzanne!

-- Randall 


From gasket.works at gte.net  Mon Apr 30 19:10:06 2012
From: gasket.works at gte.net (gasket.works at gte.net)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 01:10:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
Message-ID: <1676352936-1335834611-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-783813515-@b18.c8.bise6.blackberry>

Just have to play on the alliteration.  

As nominations go Suzanne's nimination is a perfect fit to our fot.

M
------Original Message------
From: Kas
Sender: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
To: FOT
To: Suzanne Winters
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
Sent: Apr 30, 2012 3:47 PM

I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.

Never be beaten by equipment
_______________________________________________
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Apr 30 19:45:58 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:45:58 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Nimination
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W640F010C8D54084A35EB65DF280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4F9F4056.3030401@bradakis.com>

Kas Kastner wrote:
> I wish to nominate Suzanne Winters, my pal who is a little crazy about you
> TRiumph guys., whose father ED Winters is FOT member (TR-4 Owner), he's crazy
> too, and just for good margin, Suzanne runs my web site with great expertise.
> I cannot even complain, and I am fussy. Can I get a second for this great
> girl? By the way she drives me NUTZ asking for results and photos and stuff.
>
>

Okay, she's on the list.  And as an editor for various newsletters
over the years I can relate to the efforts involved in getting
timely content out of folks!

mjb.


From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Apr 30 21:17:47 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 21:17:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] New link to FOT Mitty 12/Kas Cup sample photos
In-Reply-To: <428952370.1517776.1335816939820.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <428952370.1517776.1335816939820.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4F9F55DB.4070600@bradakis.com>

Nice pics.  I put up the photo of the start and just sat and looked at 
it for
a while, thinking of all sorts of things Triumph, like what a great group of
people we have.

Thank you all for being who you are.

mjb.