From gp89 at charter.net  Sat Oct  1 05:48:41 2011
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 07:48:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for membership
Message-ID: <41b01a64.c9286.132bf50920c.Webtop.45@charter.net>

    Glade was the devil that sold me a gt6, my first race car. Always 
fun to pit with him and his gorgeous daughter Chantel. Welcome to the 
Fot Glade. Great video of Glade waving at a spec Miada after he get 
pushed off at Road America.

  Jeff Senty



On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:

> Greetings Friends,
> An "old school" Triumph guy from Midwestern Council approached me with 
> a
> slew of questions about how one becomes a member of our "esteemed" 
> group.
> He had tried to get on certain parts of the web site with no luck.
> For some time he has wondered about how to be a part of FOT.
>
> I teased him last week and had him going for a while..."Oh, its very
> exclusive, I'm not sure your qualified.., There's paperwork, a long 
> process
> of initiation, evaluation, etc"...
> He said he had heard that from some other guys a while back and for a 
> long
> time just assumed it would remain a mysterious desire.
>
> I chuckled and told him "I'd see what I could do"... which is funny 
> because
> I remember watching him race when I was just a dirty kid at the track
> playing with matchbox cars in the dirt.
>
> So, I would like to nominate Glade Snodgrass to be part of our group.
> He has been racing Triumphs consistently since the mid-1970s
> Production class championships back in the day, many, many race wins 
> in 4
> decades. His Triumph resume is a mile long.
> A genuine character that has overcome many hurdles and also 
> experienced many
> defeats in these cars.
> I like and admire Glade for his ability to make his cars go very fast 
> on a
> tight budget.
> In a racing world of often extreme spending, It is easy to envy the 
> excess.
> Glades approach is also worthy of envy and somewhat refreshing.
> He would be a good addition to our group.
>
> His contact...Glade Snodgrass:
> 4everglades at comcast.net
>
> Thank You,
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From tr4.tony at virgin.net  Sat Oct  1 07:41:04 2011
From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 14:41:04 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for membership
In-Reply-To: <41b01a64.c9286.132bf50920c.Webtop.45@charter.net>
References: <41b01a64.c9286.132bf50920c.Webtop.45@charter.net>
Message-ID: <CDC4B0EB-4810-4945-82F7-96BC222282BA@virgin.net>

Welcome Glade

Anyone that sells a race car to someone who would still buy them a beer has to
be a good guy !

Best regards

Tony

Sent from my iPhone

On 1 Oct 2011, at 12:48, Jeff Senty <gp89 at charter.net> wrote:

>   Glade was the devil that sold me a gt6, my first race car. Always fun to
pit with him and his gorgeous daughter Chantel. Welcome to the Fot Glade.
Great video of Glade waving at a spec Miada after he get pushed off at Road
America.
>
> Jeff Senty
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
>
>> Greetings Friends,
>> An "old school" Triumph guy from Midwestern Council approached me with a
>> slew of questions about how one becomes a member of our "esteemed" group.
>> He had tried to get on certain parts of the web site with no luck.
>> For some time he has wondered about how to be a part of FOT.
>>
>> I teased him last week and had him going for a while..."Oh, its very
>> exclusive, I'm not sure your qualified.., There's paperwork, a long
process
>> of initiation, evaluation, etc"...
>> He said he had heard that from some other guys a while back and for a long
>> time just assumed it would remain a mysterious desire.
>>
>> I chuckled and told him "I'd see what I could do"... which is funny
because
>> I remember watching him race when I was just a dirty kid at the track
>> playing with matchbox cars in the dirt.
>>
>> So, I would like to nominate Glade Snodgrass to be part of our group.
>> He has been racing Triumphs consistently since the mid-1970s
>> Production class championships back in the day, many, many race wins in 4
>> decades. His Triumph resume is a mile long.
>> A genuine character that has overcome many hurdles and also experienced
many
>> defeats in these cars.
>> I like and admire Glade for his ability to make his cars go very fast on a
>> tight budget.
>> In a racing world of often extreme spending, It is easy to envy the
excess.
>> Glades approach is also worthy of envy and somewhat refreshing.
>> He would be a good addition to our group.
>>
>> His contact...Glade Snodgrass:
>> 4everglades at comcast.net
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Jason Ostrowski
>> Friendly Ghost Racing
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
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>
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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Sat Oct  1 20:58:58 2011
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 22:58:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for membership
In-Reply-To: <CDC4B0EB-4810-4945-82F7-96BC222282BA@virgin.net>
References: <41b01a64.c9286.132bf50920c.Webtop.45@charter.net>
	<CDC4B0EB-4810-4945-82F7-96BC222282BA@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <000e01cc80af$3b7e0b10$b27a2130$@net>

Or needs lots of help!

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of TR4 Tony
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 9:41 AM
To: Jeff Senty
Cc: triumph friends
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for membership

Welcome Glade

Anyone that sells a race car to someone who would still buy them a beer has
to
be a good guy !

Best regards

Tony

Sent from my iPhone

On 1 Oct 2011, at 12:48, Jeff Senty <gp89 at charter.net> wrote:

>   Glade was the devil that sold me a gt6, my first race car. Always fun to
pit with him and his gorgeous daughter Chantel. Welcome to the Fot Glade.
Great video of Glade waving at a spec Miada after he get pushed off at Road
America.
>
> Jeff Senty
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
>
>> Greetings Friends,
>> An "old school" Triumph guy from Midwestern Council approached me with a
>> slew of questions about how one becomes a member of our "esteemed" group.
>> He had tried to get on certain parts of the web site with no luck.
>> For some time he has wondered about how to be a part of FOT.
>>
>> I teased him last week and had him going for a while..."Oh, its very
>> exclusive, I'm not sure your qualified.., There's paperwork, a long
process
>> of initiation, evaluation, etc"...
>> He said he had heard that from some other guys a while back and for a
long
>> time just assumed it would remain a mysterious desire.
>>
>> I chuckled and told him "I'd see what I could do"... which is funny
because
>> I remember watching him race when I was just a dirty kid at the track
>> playing with matchbox cars in the dirt.
>>
>> So, I would like to nominate Glade Snodgrass to be part of our group.
>> He has been racing Triumphs consistently since the mid-1970s
>> Production class championships back in the day, many, many race wins in 4
>> decades. His Triumph resume is a mile long.
>> A genuine character that has overcome many hurdles and also experienced
many
>> defeats in these cars.
>> I like and admire Glade for his ability to make his cars go very fast on
a
>> tight budget.
>> In a racing world of often extreme spending, It is easy to envy the
excess.
>> Glades approach is also worthy of envy and somewhat refreshing.
>> He would be a good addition to our group.
>>
>> His contact...Glade Snodgrass:
>> 4everglades at comcast.net
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Jason Ostrowski
>> Friendly Ghost Racing
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/gp89 at charter.net
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>
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>
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sun Oct  2 10:22:04 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:22:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] race
Message-ID: <95538E85F76B4E4A8908C581B95C9566@owner8914bbf7f>

Hi, is anyone planning on doing the VRG race at Watkins Glen in two weeks?
I'm watching the long range weather forecast to see what the weather might
bring.
Bill

From mjb at autox.team.net  Sun Oct  2 11:56:35 2011
From: mjb at autox.team.net (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Sun,  2 Oct 2011 11:56:35 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Fot] List issues
Message-ID: <20111002175636.0053F187682@autox.team.net>

Not only is the Team.Net server taking a loooong time to get
list messages processed, the archives [ link below ] are not
getting updated properly.

In truth the messages are getting processed and put in the right
place, but for some reason the top level archive page is not showing
the updates.

And of course the mailman interface is having problems, giving
errors on various functions.

Something odd is going on, I'm looking into it.  I *really* need
to get the new server up and running!


mjb.


11:55

From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sun Oct  2 16:03:37 2011
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 18:03:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] List issues
In-Reply-To: <20111002175636.0053F187682@autox.team.net>
References: <20111002175636.0053F187682@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4E88DFB9.3010806@blacksburg.net>

On 10/2/2011 1:56 PM, Mark J. Bradakis wrote:
> Not only is the Team.Net server taking a loooong time to get
> list messages processed, the archives [ link below ] are not
> getting updated properly.
>
> In truth the messages are getting processed and put in the right
> place, but for some reason the top level archive page is not showing
> the updates.
>
> And of course the mailman interface is having problems, giving
> errors on various functions.
>
> Something odd is going on, I'm looking into it.  I *really* need
> to get the new server up and running!
>
>
> mjb.
>
>    
Tnx, Mark, for all you do to keep the electrons flowing.

Memo to self: it's time to hit the Donate link again.


-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go

From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Sun Oct  2 16:19:19 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 18:19:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] race
In-Reply-To: <95538E85F76B4E4A8908C581B95C9566@owner8914bbf7f>
References: <95538E85F76B4E4A8908C581B95C9566@owner8914bbf7f>
Message-ID: <5BC0BBD4-0849-4318-BB83-4936E64A1F7F@aol.com>

My wife and I are planning on being there. Not racing but I will have FOT
swag.

Chris

Sent from my IPhone


On Oct 2, 2011, at 12:22 PM, "william r tobin" <william.tobin31 at verizon.net>
wrote:

> Hi, is anyone planning on doing the VRG race at Watkins Glen in two weeks?
> I'm watching the long range weather forecast to see what the weather might
> bring.
> Bill
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Oct  3 08:21:00 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:21:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for membership
In-Reply-To: <CALCydYoszffKzng9vwZ8W3mJVJgm=DqTCWFKh97S0kjJ2X1AYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7F85D8D25BC34B4D8BC25FEE75F7FDA6@gdhs.local>

Gosh, Jason, you didn't give him the secret hand shake did you?

John H. Hasty
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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 3:00 PM
To: triumph friends
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for membership


Greetings Friends,
An "old school" Triumph guy from Midwestern Council approached me with a
slew of questions about how one becomes a member of our "esteemed" group. He
had tried to get on certain parts of the web site with no luck. For some
time he has wondered about how to be a part of FOT.

I teased him last week and had him going for a while..."Oh, its very
exclusive, I'm not sure your qualified.., There's paperwork, a long process
of initiation, evaluation, etc"... He said he had heard that from some other
guys a while back and for a long time just assumed it would remain a
mysterious desire.

I chuckled and told him "I'd see what I could do"... which is funny because
I remember watching him race when I was just a dirty kid at the track
playing with matchbox cars in the dirt.

So, I would like to nominate Glade Snodgrass to be part of our group. He has
been racing Triumphs consistently since the mid-1970s Production class
championships back in the day, many, many race wins in 4 decades. His
Triumph resume is a mile long. A genuine character that has overcome many
hurdles and also experienced many defeats in these cars. I like and admire
Glade for his ability to make his cars go very fast on a tight budget. In a
racing world of often extreme spending, It is easy to envy the excess.
Glades approach is also worthy of envy and somewhat refreshing. He would be
a good addition to our group.

His contact...Glade Snodgrass:
4everglades at comcast.net

Thank You,
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Oct  3 08:56:30 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 07:56:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS rear axles
References: <CAExoegkzyrgq6V0LVBrFEPMmzZb09ZesFuBkfOqq2JJ0_5gi5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E2D63E7CAA42404989E44DADB5BC578D@Charly>

I think we need to make some clarification here on the terminology for the 
rear end.  On an IRS car first we have the inner axel  stub which attaches 
to the differential, then we have the half shafts commonly called the axels 
or drive axels, then there are the outer axel stubs or stub axels which have 
the bearings on them which ride in the carrier which has also been called 
the rear hub housing, then we have the hub or drive flange which is the 
piece the wheel bolts on to.
I've included a couple of links to illustrations of these assemblies to help 
identify the parts.

http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=36487
http://gar.zeni.net/trf/TR6bluebook/T6-V1-Drivetrain-Chassis.pdf

Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Vaden" <markvaden at gmail.com>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 10:54 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS rear axles


> Hi All,
>
> I am making some progress on my "new" TR4A race car, and I was wondering
> about axels and hubs. On my TR4 solid axle it was an important safety 
> issue
> to have the axles uprated (southwick conversion). As far as safety, On the
> IRS cars, is it enough to just get new hubs, or does the list recommend 
> new
> axles as well?
>
> Thank in advance,
> Mark
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Oct  3 09:17:14 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 11:17:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] CHRIS MARX VITON SEAL-ORDERS
Message-ID: <8CE4FF6A9E8A132-2EF0-5EF41@webmail-m030.sysops.aol.com>

I am a distribution point for the MARX VITON SEALS.

 I am in the process of asking Chris for more seals.

No margin in the seals as we are trying keep the cost low in face of low
volume runs with dedicated tooling.

So I am trying to keep my inventory low..

I have orders for four seals now, so ten does not seem like enough.

Please let me know if you are going to be ordering.

I might raise the request for seals to 15.

I need old scrolls for modification, too.

The demand is such that I may manufacture from billet stock. The cost of the
kit will go up, but I spend a lot of time soliciting for old scrolls and
preparing them.

Thanks for supporting this project to improve our Triumphs.  Remember, no
crank mods are needed.

Joe

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Oct  3 10:22:07 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 18:22:07 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <5BC0BBD4-0849-4318-BB83-4936E64A1F7F@aol.com>
References: <95538E85F76B4E4A8908C581B95C9566@owner8914bbf7f>
	<5BC0BBD4-0849-4318-BB83-4936E64A1F7F@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301cc81e8$9a2d0820$ce871860$@com>

I would say, that was one of the hardest races I ever had.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR_jGQrAGiQ

The green TR4 was greatly driven by Philippe Vermast.

Cheers
Chris

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Oct  3 13:18:47 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 21:18:47 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
References: <95538E85F76B4E4A8908C581B95C9566@owner8914bbf7f>
	<5BC0BBD4-0849-4318-BB83-4936E64A1F7F@aol.com> 
Message-ID: <002201cc8201$49af5fb0$dd0e1f10$@com>

And a different car view:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILkS5OfJldQ

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 18:22
An: '<fot at autox.team.net>'
Betreff: Dijon race of Triumph Competition

I would say, that was one of the hardest races I ever had.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR_jGQrAGiQ

The green TR4 was greatly driven by Philippe Vermast.

Cheers
Chris

From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Mon Oct  3 13:59:57 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:59:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gold cup
Message-ID: <op.v2skh7b8airs7i@don-pc.belkin>

Is anyone going to Gold Cup at VIR in early November?  Don

--

From jfrymark at aol.com  Mon Oct  3 14:36:05 2011
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 13:36:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot]  Dijon race of Triumph Competition
Message-ID: <8CDEE0E1-8B89-4F4C-962A-F6508B5C1674@aol.com>

Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing!

Great race, Chris!

John Frymark

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Oct  3 14:44:35 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 22:44:35 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <8CDEE0E1-8B89-4F4C-962A-F6508B5C1674@aol.com>
References: <8CDEE0E1-8B89-4F4C-962A-F6508B5C1674@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002e01cc820d$45819e10$d084da30$@com>

Sure!
How else you can make a way through a close grid.
Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-)

Thanks John!


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Frymark [mailto:jfrymark at aol.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing!

Great race, Chris!

John Frymark

From rikrock at live.com  Mon Oct  3 16:11:39 2011
From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 18:11:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] race
Message-ID: <snt0-eas4185815AB26347C4B76B208C6FA0@phx.gbl>

I'll be there crewing for Dave Miller (TR-4).

Rich Rock

-----Original Message-----
From: christopher bock
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 6:19 PM
To: william r tobin
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] race

My wife and I are planning on being there. Not racing but I will have FOT
swag.

Chris

Sent from my IPhone


On Oct 2, 2011, at 12:22 PM, "william r tobin" <william.tobin31 at verizon.net>
wrote:

> Hi, is anyone planning on doing the VRG race at Watkins Glen in two weeks?
> I'm watching the long range weather forecast to see what the weather might
> bring.
> Bill
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Oct  3 16:41:01 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 15:41:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <002e01cc820d$45819e10$d084da30$@com>
References: <8CDEE0E1-8B89-4F4C-962A-F6508B5C1674@aol.com>
	<002e01cc820d$45819e10$d084da30$@com>
Message-ID: <0F0DC03D172C4FF0AA3B0CC6469848B4@Vista>

Maybe one with the "Dixie" melody ala General Lee!  :)

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:45 PM
To: 'John Frymark'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Sure!
How else you can make a way through a close grid.
Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-)

Thanks John!


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Frymark [mailto:jfrymark at aol.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing!

Great race, Chris!

John Frymark
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From igofaster at att.net  Mon Oct  3 16:42:16 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 15:42:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] 7 " headlight stone guards?
Message-ID: <1317681736.47678.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Looking to convert a headlight bucket ( 7 " ) into a fresh air duct for my GT6 
for the carb's.... I've got the bucket that tapers down to a 4" flex hose, need 
a stone or mesh guard shaped like a 7" headlight... 

too bad, I love the look of the LUCAS decals on the metal spun buckets in the 
headlight spot but the consensus I've concluded by a lot of guys smarter than me 
is our cars need a lot of cool fresh air to the carbs.... 


Some call these stone guards? I call it a mesh or screen air filter...

Difficult locating these in the usual sources...

Joe?
Ted?
FoT?

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Oct  3 16:43:50 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 00:43:50 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <0F0DC03D172C4FF0AA3B0CC6469848B4@Vista>
References: <8CDEE0E1-8B89-4F4C-962A-F6508B5C1674@aol.com>
	<002e01cc820d$45819e10$d084da30$@com>
	<0F0DC03D172C4FF0AA3B0CC6469848B4@Vista>
Message-ID: <004c01cc821d$eca76e80$c5f64b80$@com>

In a few minutes this is watchable:

Race 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HatqiYAvI7Q

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2011 00:41
An: 'MadMarx'; 'John Frymark'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Maybe one with the "Dixie" melody ala General Lee!  :)

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:45 PM
To: 'John Frymark'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Sure!
How else you can make a way through a close grid.
Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-)

Thanks John!


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Frymark [mailto:jfrymark at aol.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing!

Great race, Chris!

John Frymark
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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Mon Oct  3 17:25:25 2011
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:25:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] transportation services needed
Message-ID: <000001cc8223$bb0f2560$312d7020$@hot-tr6.com>

I bought a removable hardtop assembly (fiberglass) for my Cobra replica car
which I use as a daily driver. This hardtop is located in the Dallas area
and I need it moved to Albuquerque, New Mexico. 

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Walt Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Oct  3 17:53:11 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:53:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Unservicable TR4A grill wanted
Message-ID: <20111003235759.B1786187667@autox.team.net>

Hey FoT,

I'm looking for a non-servicable 4A grill. You may wonder why.

I need a few horizontal bars to infill the area's where my turn signals

and crank hole are currently located. 

If you have one that can be sacrificed let me know.

 

jim g

From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Oct  3 19:26:32 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 20:26:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 7 " headlight stone guards?
In-Reply-To: <1317681736.47678.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1317681736.47678.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CALCydYpjyBPb2Z-sKpzhNr2GmoJVaa1xaM52xhvYg3VgUYHjLA@mail.gmail.com>

Bobby, In my opinion, no reason to buy expensive mesh guards which you can
buy from Pegasus and cut them to size. I'll make you ones like I have for
free (just pay me shipping). Its just aluminum window screen. I paint mine
blue. And they are period correct for about 1971.

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net> wrote:

> Looking to convert a headlight bucket ( 7 " ) into a fresh air duct for my
> GT6
> for the carb's.... I've got the bucket that tapers down to a 4" flex hose,
> need
> a stone or mesh guard shaped like a 7" headlight...
>
> too bad, I love the look of the LUCAS decals on the metal spun buckets in
> the
> headlight spot but the consensus I've concluded by a lot of guys smarter
> than me
> is our cars need a lot of cool fresh air to the carbs....
>
>
> Some call these stone guards? I call it a mesh or screen air filter...
>
> Difficult locating these in the usual sources...
>
> Joe?
> Ted?
> FoT?
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From stlnyc at msn.com  Mon Oct  3 19:40:24 2011
From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 19:40:24 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Opinions
In-Reply-To: <8FB73F358B91FE42A41727280DFD98FA504D389316@STLEXVN01P.centene.com>
References: <SNT125-W19559920285E4590C1D339DA0E0@phx.gbl>,
	<8FB73F358B91FE42A41727280DFD98FA504D389316@STLEXVN01P.centene.com>
Message-ID: <SNT125-W53332C36D0D2CBDA2A3D60DAFB0@phx.gbl>

Amici-

Thanks to those that responded.  I ran the tires over the weekend at the RMVR
enduro at HPR.  On Saturday during practice/qualifying & the sprint races, the
worked quite well.  I started with 24F/25R & bled them back to that as they
grew.  After the initial warm-up, they didn't increase more than 1 or 2 lbs.
(initial was 5 lbs.)  They had good grip & were quite predictable.  The enduro
was 1 hr. 45 min. w/2 mandatory 10 min. stops.  I worked them past their happy
spot but; though slippery, they remained predictable.  Great sound effects &
impressive slides/drifts but no-so-good lap times.  Definitely good for short
races.

Fred Hodgson


> From: JWILEY at CENTENE.COM
> To: stlnyc at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 08:19:25 -0500
> Subject: RE: [Fot] Opinions
>
> I am running around 25 lbs cold
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Fred & Mary Hodgson
> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 6:34 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Opinions
>
> Amici-
>
> Has anyone used Dunlop Direzzas on a race car? If so, how'd they work &
what
> pressures were you running? I'm running a '62 TR4.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Mon Oct  3 22:55:12 2011
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 23:55:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hallett Vintage Races
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References: <mailman.1823.1317692443.19533.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <CE577180-9D33-4A38-BAD1-8F9A22A7B6AA@aol.com>

Is anyone going to the vintage races @ Hallett this weekend?  Larry Young and
I plan on attending.  Larry will be driving his new "sportscar".

Sam
Green Country Triumphs
Tulsa, OK

From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Tue Oct  4 06:27:37 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 12:27:37 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 7 " headlight stone guards?
In-Reply-To: <1317681736.47678.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1317681736.47678.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F03626B@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

Bobby,

I don't think that will be legal in CVAR.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Bobby Whitehead
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 5:42 PM
To: FoT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] 7 " headlight stone guards?

Looking to convert a headlight bucket ( 7 " ) into a fresh air duct for my GT6
for the carb's.... I've got the bucket that tapers down to a 4" flex hose,
need a stone or mesh guard shaped like a 7" headlight...

too bad, I love the look of the LUCAS decals on the metal spun buckets in the
headlight spot but the consensus I've concluded by a lot of guys smarter than
me is our cars need a lot of cool fresh air to the carbs....


Some call these stone guards? I call it a mesh or screen air filter...

Difficult locating these in the usual sources...

Joe?
Ted?
FoT?
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From jsnook at wcnet.org  Tue Oct  4 07:11:44 2011
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:11:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gold Cup
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1823.1317692443.19533.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1823.1317692443.19533.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <004a01cc8297$2a982b70$7fc88250$@org>

I'll be there with my TR3A.

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
419-344-0319 (Mobile)

From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Tue Oct  4 08:28:38 2011
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:28:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Stuff that needs a home.. a FOT home!!
Message-ID: <C22F4A3F0AA3EA488D30A42FC8A4817639B2264728@DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local>

Members,

Here's a list of parts that need a home with a FOT Member, all offers
considered, but let's be realistic etc.

Part                              Numbers that are cast into it somewhere on
the part

Intake Manifold             307265  V2989   A 1147 aluminum intake I think??
Koni Shocks                 80-1005  TR at -3 from what I can find out, new with
no rubber mounts though
Trans Overdrive Unit      25/633301    015107     6  875  Laycock Tag info
Missing some stuff but mostly there
Cannon Dual Intake       806  or 908 depends which way you hold it. Looks to
be an 1300/1500 dual Webber but I don't know.
Crankshaft                    WDB  W2156  308737   17746N  JOSB   Supposedly a
new never run crank that has been hard chromed Mains are 2.3" and rods are
1.88"
Transmission                 88306468   V3038          10 spline 1.15" Shaft
at the splines. Has aluminum bell housing with the slave @ 2 o clock and
starter on passenger side
Transmission                 88306468  V3038           10 spline 0.90" Shaft
has aluminum bell housing with slave at 9 o clock and starter on left side
Block                            311255 (between freeze plugs) FK5785HE, mains
are 2.44" recessed cylinder bores
Block                            307553 (between freeze plugs), Been decked so
no deck surface number, mains are 2.44" and the bore is 2.94"
Head                            6 Port N61 by lifter area, T27, 304955
Head                            8 port with D shaped exhaust outlet, 367871,
56
Head                            8 port with round exhaust port outlet, RKO,
27B6, 0589
Crane Camshaft            F-244 210-8, BN3437
Flywheel                       Aluminum with replaceable friction area steel
insert, 50-522 Seems to match my Spitfire one.
Pistons                         17753B
Carrillo rods                  Big end 2.0", small end 0.810, center to center
is 6.0"
Cam bearings                1-363, CSB612, 730883M, 84-25-970  MG I think
Push rods                     New chrome moly 6.0" length???


Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax

www.dieselperformanceparts.com

From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Tue Oct  4 08:38:02 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:38:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gold Cup
In-Reply-To: <004a01cc8297$2a982b70$7fc88250$@org>
References: <mailman.1823.1317692443.19533.fot@autox.team.net>
	<004a01cc8297$2a982b70$7fc88250$@org>
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Good there may be five or six of  us....should be a good event...VIR usually
is

rob deanes

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Jeff Snook <jsnook at wcnet.org> wrote:

> I'll be there with my TR3A.
>
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
> 419-344-0319 (Mobile)
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Oct  4 09:37:52 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:37:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need car transported - Albuquerque to Dayton, OH
Message-ID: <4E8B2850.9000704@pobox.com>

If anyone would can help out, let me know off list.

Larry

From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Oct  4 09:40:56 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:40:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hallett Vintage Races
In-Reply-To: <CE577180-9D33-4A38-BAD1-8F9A22A7B6AA@aol.com>
References: <mailman.1823.1317692443.19533.fot@autox.team.net>
	<CE577180-9D33-4A38-BAD1-8F9A22A7B6AA@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4E8B2908.4030600@pobox.com>

I saw that Gary Fuqua and Bobby Whitehead have carports, so I assume 
they will be there. Yeah, I'm driving out in my Poor Man's Bugatti 
(http://mtfctulsa.com/ABC_Bodies).

On 10/3/2011 11:55 PM, Sam Clark wrote:
> Is anyone going to the vintage races @ Hallett this weekend?  Larry Young and
> I plan on attending.  Larry will be driving his new "sportscar".
>
> Sam
> Green Country Triumphs
> Tulsa, OK
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Oct  4 10:55:20 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 18:55:20 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <0F0DC03D172C4FF0AA3B0CC6469848B4@Vista>
References: <8CDEE0E1-8B89-4F4C-962A-F6508B5C1674@aol.com>
	<002e01cc820d$45819e10$d084da30$@com>
	<0F0DC03D172C4FF0AA3B0CC6469848B4@Vista>
Message-ID: <003201cc82b6$67c31a40$37494ec0$@com>

I would like to add race 2, with a little accident at corner one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udoqP6PPPKU


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2011 00:41
An: 'MadMarx'; 'John Frymark'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Maybe one with the "Dixie" melody ala General Lee!  :)

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:45 PM
To: 'John Frymark'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Sure!
How else you can make a way through a close grid.
Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-)

Thanks John!


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Frymark [mailto:jfrymark at aol.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing!

Great race, Chris!

John Frymark
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Tue Oct  4 12:07:05 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 18:07:05 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Hallett Vintage Races
In-Reply-To: <4E8B2908.4030600@pobox.com>
References: <mailman.1823.1317692443.19533.fot@autox.team.net>
	<CE577180-9D33-4A38-BAD1-8F9A22A7B6AA@aol.com>
	<4E8B2908.4030600@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F03696E@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

You know the length of tow having done it to TWS so many times. A Hallett
weekend is now over a grand without wear and tear and we now have the Eagles
Canyon weekend for a break from TWS, and it's a lot closer. I'll make it back
there soon. Maybe next year will be better financially.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Larry Young
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:41 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett Vintage Races

I saw that Gary Fuqua and Bobby Whitehead have carports, so I assume they will
be there. Yeah, I'm driving out in my Poor Man's Bugatti
(http://mtfctulsa.com/ABC_Bodies).

On 10/3/2011 11:55 PM, Sam Clark wrote:
> Is anyone going to the vintage races @ Hallett this weekend?  Larry
> Young and I plan on attending.  Larry will be driving his new "sportscar".
>
> Sam
> Green Country Triumphs
> Tulsa, OK
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Oct  4 12:15:39 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 13:15:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS rear axles
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W40332C555F1D5A0BA65AC7DFF70@phx.gbl>
References: <CAExoegkzyrgq6V0LVBrFEPMmzZb09ZesFuBkfOqq2JJ0_5gi5Q@mail.gmail.com>,
	<16741771F6444D589F265D7E56253EBE@owner8914bbf7f>
	<SNT120-W40332C555F1D5A0BA65AC7DFF70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4E8B4D4B.8090309@pobox.com>

Maybe they were on to you due to prior history??

On 9/30/2011 6:15 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:
> Just for once it was straight with no hidden agendas. Oh well.

From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Tue Oct  4 12:16:09 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 18:16:09 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Need car transported - Albuquerque to Dayton, OH
In-Reply-To: <4E8B2850.9000704@pobox.com>
References: <4E8B2850.9000704@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F0369AB@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

Is Tom on the move?

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
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Of Larry Young
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:38 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Need car transported - Albuquerque to Dayton, OH

If anyone would can help out, let me know off list.

Larry
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Tue Oct  4 14:32:24 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:32:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <003201cc82b6$67c31a40$37494ec0$@com>
References: <8CDEE0E1-8B89-4F4C-962A-F6508B5C1674@aol.com>
	<002e01cc820d$45819e10$d084da30$@com>
	<0F0DC03D172C4FF0AA3B0CC6469848B4@Vista>
	<003201cc82b6$67c31a40$37494ec0$@com>
Message-ID: <14C59CD5-006E-4513-A3C6-18299A490482@aol.com>

WOW.  i hope everyone was ok.  Kind of tough to see exactly what happened in
your rear view.


On Oct 4, 2011, at 12:55 PM, MadMarx wrote:

> I would like to add race 2, with a little accident at corner one.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udoqP6PPPKU
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2011 00:41
> An: 'MadMarx'; 'John Frymark'
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: RE: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
>
> Maybe one with the "Dixie" melody ala General Lee!  :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of MadMarx
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:45 PM
> To: 'John Frymark'
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
>
> Sure!
> How else you can make a way through a close grid.
> Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-)
>
> Thanks John!
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: John Frymark [mailto:jfrymark at aol.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36
> An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
>
> Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing!
>
> Great race, Chris!
>
> John Frymark
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Oct  4 14:40:44 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 20:40:44 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <14C59CD5-006E-4513-A3C6-18299A490482@aol.com>
References: <8CDEE0E1-8B89-4F4C-962A-F6508B5C1674@aol.com>
	<002e01cc820d$45819e10$d084da30$@com>
	<0F0DC03D172C4FF0AA3B0CC6469848B4@Vista>
	<003201cc82b6$67c31a40$37494ec0$@com>
	<14C59CD5-006E-4513-A3C6-18299A490482@aol.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.9.1317760861.19530.fot@autox.team.net>

Damage report:
- Monza sprite smashed at rear and front.
- gray TR4 flat at the front to the wheels
- Spitfire front slightly bended
- my TR's right door damaged

All drivers are okay.

Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone

-----Original Message-----
From: christopher bock <SeaCubeCo at aol.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:32:24 
To: MadMarx<tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

WOW.  i hope everyone was ok.  Kind of tough to see exactly what happened in your rear view.


On Oct 4, 2011, at 12:55 PM, MadMarx wrote:

> I would like to add race 2, with a little accident at corner one.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udoqP6PPPKU
> 
> 
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2011 00:41
> An: 'MadMarx'; 'John Frymark'
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: RE: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
> 
> Maybe one with the "Dixie" melody ala General Lee!  :)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of MadMarx
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:45 PM
> To: 'John Frymark'
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
> 
> Sure!
> How else you can make a way through a close grid.
> Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-)
> 
> Thanks John!
> 
> 
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: John Frymark [mailto:jfrymark at aol.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36
> An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
> 
> Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing!
> 
> Great race, Chris!
> 
> John Frymark
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue Oct  4 15:52:34 2011
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 22:52:34 +0100
Subject: [Fot] End of his first season as a pro
Message-ID: <6B44E790A14A4501BFC4DF8CB49F8480@homekeith>

Dear All,

 

Thought I would get a few bragging rights in...

 

My son Josh has just finished his first season as a professional driver and
has more than exceeded expectations; he has finished 7th overall in the
championship (out of 29 drivers), is the top placed rookie, has multiple top
10 finishes, 2 podiums (a 2nd and a 3rd) and numerous fastest laps; what a
great year for him.

 

He has 3 teams chasing his signature for 2012 and, and this is a good one,
has Dennis Rushen wanting to manage him; Dennis used to manage a certain
Ayrton Senna in his F3 days...

 

On top of his saloon car exploits he has also won in his TR6, taken so many
podiums and lap records and did pretty well at the Eifel Classic on the
Nurburgring Nordschleife starting 40th on the grid to go to 1st by the end
of the 1st lap and from 140th to 22nd overall by the end of his 60 minute
stint. We eventually came 2nd behind Mario who was the deserved European
Kastner Cup winner.

 

As I said at the beginning, bragging rights :-)

 

Cheers, 

 

Keith.

From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue Oct  4 17:05:02 2011
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 23:05:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <20111004224123.82875187895@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <908370088.209114.1317769502619.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Heck, at every drivers meeting I've been told that vintage racing is a non-contact sport! 

Gary 

----- Original Message -----
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com 
To: "christopher bock" <SeaCubeCo at aol.com> 
Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 1:40:44 PM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 

Damage report: 
- Monza sprite smashed at rear and front. 
- gray TR4 flat at the front to the wheels 
- Spitfire front slightly bended 
- my TR's right door damaged 

All drivers are okay. 

Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone 

-----Original Message----- 
From: christopher bock <SeaCubeCo at aol.com> 
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:32:24 
To: MadMarx<tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 

WOW. i hope everyone was ok. Kind of tough to see exactly what happened in your rear view. 


On Oct 4, 2011, at 12:55 PM, MadMarx wrote: 

> I would like to add race 2, with a little accident at corner one. 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udoqP6PPPKU 
> 
> 
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- 
> Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] 
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2011 00:41 
> An: 'MadMarx'; 'John Frymark' 
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
> Betreff: RE: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 
> 
> Maybe one with the "Dixie" melody ala General Lee! :) 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On 
> Behalf Of MadMarx 
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:45 PM 
> To: 'John Frymark' 
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 
> 
> Sure! 
> How else you can make a way through a close grid. 
> Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-) 
> 
> Thanks John! 
> 
> 
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- 
> Von: John Frymark [mailto:jfrymark at aol.com] 
> Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36 
> An: tr4racing at googlemail.com 
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
> Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 
> 
> Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing! 
> 
> Great race, Chris! 
> 
> John Frymark 
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Tue Oct  4 17:41:16 2011
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 19:41:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gold Cup
References: <mailman.1823.1317692443.19533.fot@autox.team.net>
	<004a01cc8297$2a982b70$7fc88250$@org>
Message-ID: <1C5928FBCFA94AE2927D50D97EDDF462@userb38463fba5>

A few of the WPTA faithful are planning on going.

JVV
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From: "Jeff Snook" <jsnook at wcnet.org>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Gold Cup


> I'll be there with my TR3A.
>
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Oct  4 17:45:53 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 19:45:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] End of his first season as a pro
In-Reply-To: <6B44E790A14A4501BFC4DF8CB49F8480@homekeith>
References: <6B44E790A14A4501BFC4DF8CB49F8480@homekeith>
Message-ID: <8CE5106E326054D-14D4-D793@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com>

 egads!  congratulations JOSH!


 you and Josh coming to THE 10TH KASTNER CUP?   anything in the works on
that?

Joe






-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com>
To: n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>; 'Kas Kastner' <kaskas at cox.net>; 'Jeff Snook'
<jsnook at wcnet.org>; 'Tony Drews' <tony at tonydrews.com>; 'John Nikas'
<capecoventryracing at gmail.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 4:52 pm
Subject: End of his first season as a pro



Dear All,

Thought I would get a few bragging rights inb&..

My son Josh has just finished his first season as aprofessional driver and has
more than exceeded expectations; he has finished 7thoverall in the
championship (out of 29 drivers), is the top placed rookie, hasmultiple top 10
finishes, 2 podiums (a 2nd and a 3rd) andnumerous fastest laps; what a great
year for him.

He has 3 teams chasing his signature for 2012 and, and thisis a good one, has
Dennis Rushen wanting to manage him; Dennis used to manage acertain Ayrton
Senna in his F3 daysb&..

On top of his saloon car exploits he has also won in his TR6,taken so many
podiums and lap records and did pretty well at the Eifel Classicon the
Nurburgring Nordschleife starting 40th on the grid to go to 1stby the end of
the 1st lap and from 140th to 22ndoverall by the end of his 60 minute stint.
We eventually came 2nd behindMario who was the deserved European Kastner Cup
winner.

As I said at the beginning, bragging rights J

Cheers,

Keith.

From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Oct  4 18:05:42 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 17:05:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] End of his first season as a pro
References: <6B44E790A14A4501BFC4DF8CB49F8480@homekeith>
Message-ID: <25DB4586296849C199B485AEA7C9C6CC@Bud>

Congratulations!..that's Terrific!
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Files" <keithfiles at btinternet.com>
To: <n197tr4 at cs.com>; "'Kas Kastner'" <kaskas at cox.net>; "'Jeff Snook'" 
<jsnook at wcnet.org>; "'Tony Drews'" <tony at tonydrews.com>; "'JohnNikas'" 
<capecoventryracing at gmail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 2:52 PM
Subject: [Fot] End of his first season as a pro


> Dear All,
>
>
>
> Thought I would get a few bragging rights in...
>
>
>
> My son Josh has just finished his first season as a professional driver 
> and
> has more than exceeded expectations; he has finished 7th overall in the
> championship (out of 29 drivers), is the top placed rookie, has multiple 
> top
> 10 finishes, 2 podiums (a 2nd and a 3rd) and numerous fastest laps; what a
> great year for him.
>
>
>
> He has 3 teams chasing his signature for 2012 and, and this is a good one,
> has Dennis Rushen wanting to manage him; Dennis used to manage a certain
> Ayrton Senna in his F3 days...
>
>
>
> On top of his saloon car exploits he has also won in his TR6, taken so 
> many
> podiums and lap records and did pretty well at the Eifel Classic on the
> Nurburgring Nordschleife starting 40th on the grid to go to 1st by the end
> of the 1st lap and from 140th to 22nd overall by the end of his 60 minute
> stint. We eventually came 2nd behind Mario who was the deserved European
> Kastner Cup winner.
>
>
>
> As I said at the beginning, bragging rights :-)
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Keith.
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  4 20:49:40 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 22:49:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tow vehicle
Message-ID: <BLU160-W456894E16E21E322881D06BAF80@phx.gbl>

Anybody out there using one of the new F-150 with the ecoboost v6 engine as a
tow vehicle?  With the max tow package they appear to be rated 4000 lb more
than my 5.4 F-150.  Marty

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Oct  5 00:02:48 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 06:02:48 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <908370088.209114.1317769502619.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <20111004224123.82875187895@autox.team.net>
	<908370088.209114.1317769502619.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.10.1317794586.19530.fot@autox.team.net>

Absolutely right and for the next race I will hold a speach about at the drivers meeting.
Cause for this was the too late braking of a Spitfire and a MG GT.

Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 23:05:02 
To: <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>; christopher bock<SeaCubeCo at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Heck, at every drivers meeting I've been told that vintage racing is a non-contact sport! 

Gary 

----- Original Message -----
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com 
To: "christopher bock" <SeaCubeCo at aol.com> 
Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 1:40:44 PM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 

Damage report: 
- Monza sprite smashed at rear and front. 
- gray TR4 flat at the front to the wheels 
- Spitfire front slightly bended 
- my TR's right door damaged 

All drivers are okay. 

Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone 

-----Original Message----- 
From: christopher bock <SeaCubeCo at aol.com> 
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:32:24 
To: MadMarx<tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 

WOW. i hope everyone was ok. Kind of tough to see exactly what happened in your rear view. 


On Oct 4, 2011, at 12:55 PM, MadMarx wrote: 

> I would like to add race 2, with a little accident at corner one. 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udoqP6PPPKU 
> 
> 
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- 
> Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] 
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2011 00:41 
> An: 'MadMarx'; 'John Frymark' 
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
> Betreff: RE: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 
> 
> Maybe one with the "Dixie" melody ala General Lee! :) 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On 
> Behalf Of MadMarx 
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:45 PM 
> To: 'John Frymark' 
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 
> 
> Sure! 
> How else you can make a way through a close grid. 
> Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-) 
> 
> Thanks John! 
> 
> 
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- 
> Von: John Frymark [mailto:jfrymark at aol.com] 
> Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36 
> An: tr4racing at googlemail.com 
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
> Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 
> 
> Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing! 
> 
> Great race, Chris! 
> 
> John Frymark 
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> http://www.fot-racing.com 
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct  5 05:47:38 2011
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 04:47:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Tow vehicle
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-W456894E16E21E322881D06BAF80@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-W456894E16E21E322881D06BAF80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1317815258.51689.YahooMailNeo@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Marty,
 
I've got one. Haven't towed with it yet, but it is rated for 11,300
pounds. If
you want to get a new one, let me know, I can get you X-Plan. The
only
complaint I have is that the mirrors don't have power fold capability. I
have
to open my window to fold them in and out when I put it in my garage.
 
For 2012, the 4x4 version will have a 36 gallon fuel tank. You could drive
from Toledo to Road Atlanta without stopping (for fuel).
 
Doug

From: marty
sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday,
October 4, 2011 10:49 PM
Subject: [Fot] Tow vehicle

Anybody out there using
one of the new F-150 with the ecoboost v6 engine as a
tow vehicle?  With the
max tow package they appear to be rated 4000 lb more
than my 5.4 F-150.  Marty
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Oct  5 08:09:34 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 16:09:34 +0200
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com>
References: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <002401cc8368$6a785450$3f68fcf0$@com>

I would like to give an update:

I did a hardness check on the distributor gear:

HRC 38 to 43 (stock)
After plasma nitrating
48 - 54 HRC

So the surface is now harder and I'll report how the gear will behave.

Cheers
Chris

From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Wed Oct  5 08:20:39 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 10:20:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gold Cup
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Message-ID: <F7D3ED429D654DAC953B9AE96A7194A6@gdhs.local>

I'll be there in my TR3A as well.

John H. Hasty
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Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Gold Cup


A few of the WPTA faithful are planning on going.

JVV
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Gold Cup


> I'll be there with my TR3A.
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Oct  5 17:56:22 2011
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 18:56:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tow vehicle
References: <BLU160-W456894E16E21E322881D06BAF80@phx.gbl>
	<1317815258.51689.YahooMailNeo@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <78BC0B3FC95740E490ED6C4AAE68B323@latitudefb1e41>

That is more tow capacity than my 2500HD. I doubt it would tow as nicely but 
I'd love to hear how it does. I have a 28' enclosed trailer that hit's it's 
10 grand payload with the two TR4 ensconced. My 2500HD does fairly well with 
the load with the help of a load leveling hitch. Tidbit, this truck is over 
125,000 miles on the original brakes with no sign of needing pads anytime 
soon.

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Mitchell" <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>
To: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tow vehicle


> Marty,
>
> I've got one. Haven't towed with it yet, but it is rated for 11,300
> pounds. If
> you want to get a new one, let me know, I can get you X-Plan. The
> only
> complaint I have is that the mirrors don't have power fold capability. I
> have
> to open my window to fold them in and out when I put it in my garage.
>
> For 2012, the 4x4 version will have a 36 gallon fuel tank. You could drive
> from Toledo to Road Atlanta without stopping (for fuel).
>
> Doug
>
> From: marty
> sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday,
> October 4, 2011 10:49 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Tow vehicle
>
> Anybody out there using
> one of the new F-150 with the ecoboost v6 engine as a
> tow vehicle?  With the
> max tow package they appear to be rated 4000 lb more
> than my 5.4 F-150.  Marty
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct  6 16:36:12 2011
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 15:36:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Tow vehicle
In-Reply-To: <78BC0B3FC95740E490ED6C4AAE68B323@latitudefb1e41>
References: <BLU160-W456894E16E21E322881D06BAF80@phx.gbl>
	<1317815258.51689.YahooMailNeo@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<78BC0B3FC95740E490ED6C4AAE68B323@latitudefb1e41>
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Check out the You Tube video tests on the 'Hero' engine in the F150. They ran
the engine on the dyno for the equivalant of 150,000 miles. Then put it in a
F150 and towed logs out of a forest in Oregon. They then took the truck down
to Alabama and towed 11300 lbs for 24 hours averaging 80+ mph. They then took
then engine out and put it in a Raptor and ran the Baja. They put it back on
the dyno and the hp and torque numbers matched the original. They tore the
engine down at the North American International Auto Show and it showed no
appreciable wear.

Doug

 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Kramer
<rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
To: Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>; marty
sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>; fot at autox.team.net
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, October
5, 2011 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tow vehicle

That is more tow capacity than
my 2500HD. I doubt it would tow as nicely but I'd love to hear how it does. I
have a 28' enclosed trailer that hit's it's 10 grand payload with the two TR4
ensconced. My 2500HD does fairly well with the load with the help of a load
leveling hitch. Tidbit, this truck is over 125,000 miles on the original
brakes with no sign of needing pads anytime soon.

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Mitchell"
<dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>
To: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>;
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 6:47 AM
Subject: Re:
[Fot] Tow vehicle


> Marty,
> 
> I've got one. Haven't towed with it yet, but
it is rated for 11,300
> pounds. If
> you want to get a new one, let me know,
I can get you X-Plan. The
> only
> complaint I have is that the mirrors don't
have power fold capability. I
> have
> to open my window to fold them in and
out when I put it in my garage.
> 
> For 2012, the 4x4 version will have a 36
gallon fuel tank. You could drive
> from Toledo to Road Atlanta without
stopping (for fuel).
> 
> Doug
> 
> From: marty
> sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday,
> October 4, 2011 10:49 PM
>
Subject: [Fot] Tow vehicle
> 
> Anybody out there using
> one of the new F-150
with the ecoboost v6 engine as a
> tow vehicle?  With the
> max tow package
they appear to be rated 4000 lb more
> than my 5.4 F-150.  Marty
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Sat Oct  8 11:53:44 2011
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 12:53:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Joe Curry
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402684714@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Sorry to bomb the list... Joe, the number you're looking for is FM 20289 U.

Scott B.

From horizonracing at msn.com  Sun Oct  9 11:06:48 2011
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 10:06:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR250K
Message-ID: <SNT141-W46A8EB26F71ED6533AFBFB2FC0@phx.gbl>

Hi All,
For those in the LA area, The TR250K has been invited and will be at  the Art
Centre College of Design in Pasadena ..."Art Center car Classic, California
Design:Influencing Change", Oct. 23 (11-5)
A display of vehicles of all eras, Classic to Modern and concept cars as well
as aircraft and watercraft.

From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Oct  9 12:56:02 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 11:56:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR250K
References: <SNT141-W46A8EB26F71ED6533AFBFB2FC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B7E08C792F6C4B12AC7443580A1C54E1@Bud>

Congratulations Tony!....
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony and Annie Garmey" <horizonracing at msn.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 10:06 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR250K


> Hi All,
> For those in the LA area, The TR250K has been invited and will be at  the 
> Art
> Centre College of Design in Pasadena ..."Art Center car Classic, 
> California
> Design:Influencing Change", Oct. 23 (11-5)
> A display of vehicles of all eras, Classic to Modern and concept cars as 
> well
> as aircraft and watercraft.
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From harmug at us.ibm.com  Mon Oct 10 07:11:58 2011
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:11:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SU carbs- Fixed needle vs Spring loaded
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1318096806.24221.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF99946F71.2138A6CD-ON85257925.00477384-85257925.0048821E@us.ibm.com>

Racing season is over for me and I'm getting my winter projects lined up.
One is rebuilding/ replacing my carbs, SU H2s, for the Spitfire. I've
collected several sets and I was wondering which type are better for
racing, the fixed needle type or the spring needle? From a theoretical
point of view, I can see pluses and minuses for each type. This year I ran
both types too, but not having identical needles in each, I couldn't do a
real comparison.
I suspect the answer is fixed, but any thoughts?

thanks
mike

63 Spitfire

G. Michael Harmuth

From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Mon Oct 10 07:47:03 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 06:47:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
Message-ID: <1318254423.490.YahooMailClassic@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Joe & FOT: Below is an email concerning two deaths during this past weekends
race at Hallet.
-Ed-

--- On Mon, 10/10/11, Doug Mains <cvarflag1 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Doug Mains <cvarflag1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
To: "Ed Barnard" <Edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
Date: Monday, October 10, 2011, 8:36 AM


Ed,

There is truth to the report. Just in case you did not get the below email.

Doug


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: CVAR Announcement <cvar at lists.corinthianvintagerace.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:20 AM
Subject: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
To: CVAR membership <cvar at lists.corinthianvintagerace.com>





















Saturday we lost two good  friends:
Bill Hill, Group 2 Midget driver, collapsed and died after the G-2 race at
Hallett.
Ron Shade, Group 7 Porsche driver and CVAR board member, passed away during
the one hour enduro.
Both deaths were due to natural causes, not racing incidents.

They died surrounded by friends doing something they truly enjoyed.

Services are pending. I will post that information on  the list-server when it
becomes available.
Please keep Bill and Ron's families in your thoughts and prayers.



George Curl



www.corinthianvintagerace.com
Stop Waste - Recycle Old Race Cars



--
Doug Mains, CVAR Flag 1
5400 Post Ridge Dr
Fort Worth, TX 76123
817-437-3597

From KENMUN at aol.com  Mon Oct 10 13:04:22 2011
From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:04:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] 87mm pistons
Message-ID: <1839b.6efdd313.3bc49bb6@aol.com>

anyone have a good set of pistons they'd like to sell? thanks, ken m.  
vintage tr3 racer.

From walt at hot-tr6.com  Mon Oct 10 15:51:03 2011
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:51:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Sweeny, Texas
Message-ID: <002701cc8796$b569b670$203d2350$@hot-tr6.com>

Do we have any 
FOT members that live in the town of Sweeny, Texas?

I could use some help picking up a car part I bought and

Getting it to Fed Ex Ground or UPS.

Thanks

Walt Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico

From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 10 16:06:05 2011
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:06:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Looking for former race driver Jeff Harrell
Message-ID: <EDBA226B-6FB2-4EAC-A0F5-9A4DE1604671@gmail.com>

Does the name Jeff Harrell sound familiar to anyone here, and if so, can
anyone provide a lead to contact him?  I am told he raced Morgans in the late
50s or early 1960s on the east coast.  I can find a reference to that name in
SCCA records only for 1963, driving an MGA.  This may be the guy that drove
(and wrecked) my Morgan Plus 4 around 1959-1960-ish in Spartanburg, SC.  I was
told the damage occurred during an off-road excursion (the car struck concrete
hidden in tall grass) at an SCCA airport race, but I can't yet get the facts
to align properly.

Duncan Charlton

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Oct 10 17:17:18 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 19:17:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] VTR COVERAGE OF FOT AT LEGUNA SECA AND KCUP POSTERS THANKS!
Message-ID: <8CE55B9E37D0A7E-23B0-60587@Webmail-m121.sysops.aol.com>

FoT Bill Redinger comprehensively covered the 9th RUNNING OF THE KASTNER CUP.

Pictures and text really tell the story.  Thanks Bill.

The Vintage Triumph has FOT Mike Cook as it's editor and the FOT is nicely
featured in almost all of the magazine publications.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

The FOT and VTR have been collaborating on the Kastner Cup since Watkins Glen,
specifically on the FOT/VTR POSTERs that are provided to FoT and VTR members
in attendance.

Blake Discher is the VTR President and was responsible for the layout of the
Watkins Glen and Topeka Posters.

Steve Belfer was responsible for the Laguna Seca effort and is currently
working on the artwork for THE MITTY.

Joe Pawlak of ISOA is responsible for the production of the posters.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------------

It's amazing what a non-organization can accomplish, with help from their
friends.

MEMBERSHIP IN THE VTR is STRONGLY ENCOURAGED..............................

From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Mon Oct 10 21:54:17 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:54:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
In-Reply-To: <1318259184.64611.YahooMailRC@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1318305257.27807.YahooMailClassic@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tom: At this time this is all the info we have.
 
All,

I am not sure if all of you are on the CVAR email distribution. I wanted to
pass this note along just in case.


The memorial service for Bill is scheduled for next Sunday 10/16 from 5:30
till ?


Gianna Italian Kitchen, 28301 Tomball Parkway, Tomball, TX  77357,
281-290-6676
Doug Mains


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: CVAR Announcement <cvar at lists.corinthianvintagerace.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:20 AM
Subject: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
To: CVAR membership <cvar at lists.corinthianvintagerace.com>





















Saturday we lost two good  friends:
Bill Hill, Group 2 Midget driver, collapsed and died after the G-2 race at
Hallett.
Ron Shade, Group 7 Porsche driver and CVAR board member, passed away during
the one hour enduro.
Both deaths were due to natural causes, not racing incidents.

They died surrounded by friends doing something they truly enjoyed.

Services are pending. I will post that information on  the list-server when it
becomes available.
Please keep Bill and Ron's families in your thoughts and prayers.



George Curl



--- On Mon, 10/10/11, tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
To: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
Date: Monday, October 10, 2011, 10:06 AM








Ed, unfortunately, not much info came thru the list ... could you possibly
copy and paste for all of us on the fot ... also, we had a death at blackhawk
farms this weekend.
  Not a racing incident, but Bill Dalton, who is very well liked died of a
heart attack.
  I hate to ask for more bad news, but, please fill us in ...
 
Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire






From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>; FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, October 10, 2011 8:47:03 AM
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [CVAR] CVAR sad news

Joe & FOT: Below is an email concerning two deaths during this past weekends
race at Hallet.
-Ed-

--- On Mon, 10/10/11, Doug Mains <cvarflag1 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Doug Mains <cvarflag1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
To: "Ed Barnard" <Edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
Date: Monday, October 10, 2011, 8:36 AM


Ed,

There is truth to the report. Just in case you did not get the below email.

Doug


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: CVAR Announcement <cvar at lists.corinthianvintagerace.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:20 AM
Subject: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
To: CVAR membership <cvar at lists.corinthianvintagerace.com>





















Saturday we lost two good  friends:
Bill Hill, Group 2 Midget driver, collapsed and died after the G-2 race at
Hallett.
Ron Shade, Group 7 Porsche driver and CVAR board member, passed away during
the one hour enduro.
Both deaths were due to natural causes, not racing incidents.

They died surrounded by friends doing something they truly enjoyed.

Services are pending. I will post that information on  the list-server when
it
becomes available.
Please keep Bill and Ron's families in your thoughts and prayers.



George Curl



www.corinthianvintagerace.com
Stop Waste - Recycle Old Race Cars



--
Doug Mains, CVAR Flag 1
5400 Post Ridge Dr
Fort Worth, TX 76123
817-437-3597
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Tue Oct 11 09:19:04 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:19:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Road Racing ...funny
Message-ID: <002101cc8829$1d125880$57370980$@rogers.com>

 <http://youtu.be/WNVA8nbXbug> http://youtu.be/WNVA8nbXbug

 

A lot of talk about Darrell  Waltrip commentating at Bathurst road racing in
Australia for Speed TV. Someone posted this link to his test  drive. It is
hilarious.

 

Paul

From triosan at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 11:10:01 2011
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:10:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kas Cup 2012
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNAszG9GR1a2PRh=A9Gk2su4qCe4=TScnAvYaFMVUX_Bqg@mail.gmail.com>

I plan on driving!!!  The only hang up will be that I have a novice license
and only 4 races [1 this year] under my belt.  Hopefully they will let me
drive.  I know how to do it having done dozens of "lapping days" and many
race practice days.

The car finally [almost] got ready enough to race a couple of weeks ago.
Did 8 practice sessions and a qualifying just fine.  In the 16 lap race, at
the end of lap 13 I hit some big bumps and ended up breaking the flange
holding the inner left halfshaft.  Coasted to hot pits and that was that.

Mad at myself as there was no one in front I could race with, and no one
behind at all close -- could have just taken the corner a little easier and
not missed the apex so badly.

The car runs strong so I am pleased with that.

Chuck

-- 
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley

From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 12:29:44 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:29:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Road Racing ...funny
In-Reply-To: <002101cc8829$1d125880$57370980$@rogers.com>
References: <002101cc8829$1d125880$57370980$@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9Nu5Q2iBFf=+Q5YzJeWGYOgEELOm=Yeu+b8FtAZBWba7A@mail.gmail.com>

that was good ! Had Darrell on the edge  and alot of respect for road racers
I am sure no matter where they are from.


On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:19 AM, macdonaldp <macdonaldp at rogers.com> wrote:

>  <http://youtu.be/WNVA8nbXbug> http://youtu.be/WNVA8nbXbug
>
>
>
> A lot of talk about Darrell  Waltrip commentating at Bathurst road racing
> in
> Australia for Speed TV. Someone posted this link to his test  drive. It is
> hilarious.
>
>
>
> Paul
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 11 13:01:43 2011
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:01:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Road Racing ...funny
In-Reply-To: <002101cc8829$1d125880$57370980$@rogers.com>
References: <002101cc8829$1d125880$57370980$@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <1318359703.16161.YahooMailNeo@web80807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I love how his voice rises a couple of octaves. I think he was truly scared.
From: macdonaldp <macdonaldp at rogers.com>
To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:19 AM
Subject: [Fot] Road Racing ...funny
<http://youtu.be/WNVA8nbXbug> http://youtu.be/WNVA8nbXbug



A lot of talk
about Darrell  Waltrip commentating at Bathurst road racing in
Australia for
Speed TV. Someone posted this link to his test  drive. It is
hilarious.
Paul
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From triosan at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 14:06:52 2011
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:06:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Question re: cracks in IRS trailing arms
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNB4R9r=0cGnPmn2+bhyyCOG45FM1vR2o1TQ8mO2-JaxYg@mail.gmail.com>

Both of the trailing arms on my TR6 racer have cracks in the trailing arms.
They are about 1 to 1.5 inches long and start at the bottom edge immediately
in front of the brake backing plate.  They go through, that is are visable
from both sides [though worse from inside].

Questions:
1. How dangerous is this?  It looks like there would need to be a whole lot
more cracking before danger of breaking.
2. Can they be repaired?
3. Can I do a lapping day practice in a couple of weeks with them in this
condition [may have been like that for a long time?].

Thanks in advance,

-- 
Chuck Arnold

From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Oct 11 15:15:01 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:15:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Bill Dalton details...
Message-ID: <42cad.21250952.3bc60bd5@aol.com>

Amici...

Sorry to bomb the list, but Midwest racers may be interested in some 
additional information on Bill Dalton's funeral arrangements.  Bill died of heart 
failure last Saturday while working a race event at Blackhawk Farms Raceway: 
 These notes are from the Unger Horner Funeral Home:

William J. Dalton, age 70, of Ashton, IL died Sat. Oct. 8, 2011 at Rockford 
Memorial Hospital. He was born Oct. 13, 1940 in New Jersey the son of 
William and Giovanna Gotilla Dalton.

Retired from E.D. Etnyre & Co. in Oregon, IL as a mechanical engineer. 
Member of St. Patrick Church of Rochelle. Also belonged to Sports Car Club Of 
America, N.R.A., Air Craft Owners and Pilots Association and Experimental 
Aircraft Association.

Survived by his children: John (Francesca) Dalton of Spotswood, NJ, and 
Andrea Kilkenny of Bloomfield, NJ; and 2 grandchildren: Michael and Victoria 
Dalton.

Funeral mass will be held at 10:30 AM on Thursday, October 13, 2011 at the 
St. Patrick Catholic Church, Rochelle, with Rev. Steven Lange officiating. 
Visitation will be on Wednesday from 5 - 8 PM at the Unger Horner Funeral 
Home, 400 N 6th St., Rochelle. Memorials to the St. Patrick Catholic Church or 
the American Heart Association. Burial at St. Patrick Catholic Cemetery in 
Rochelle. Online guest book at UngerHorner.com

Some personal comments:  Bill Dalton was a 'permanent fixture' at road 
racing events here in the Midwest.  He was at Blackhawk Farms Raceway almost 
every week end, and if he wasn't there he was at Autobahn, Grattan or Road 
America.  Usually at the Black Flag Station, but he'd also do rescue, pace car, 
corner station, or whatever.  He was VSCDA's Chief of Tech for many, many 
years.  

But not everyone knew he was one of the original 'Jersey Boys', having 
played guitar in the early rock and roll group...the Royal Teens.  He was still 
getting royalties for 'Short Shorts'.  He was in several movies, including 
'Let's Rock.'  Bill used to work hard to convey his gruff 'Jersey' roots, but 
those who knew him well, knew that he was actually kind of a softy and very 
sensitive.  He was full of passion for good causes and made for a good 
friend.  He leaves a hole in amateur road racing in the Illinois/Wisconsin 
area...he WILL BE MISSED.  

Bill Dentinger

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Oct 11 15:26:00 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:26:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Road Racing ...funny
In-Reply-To: <CAP9qD9Nu5Q2iBFf=+Q5YzJeWGYOgEELOm=Yeu+b8FtAZBWba7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002101cc8829$1d125880$57370980$@rogers.com>
	<CAP9qD9Nu5Q2iBFf=+Q5YzJeWGYOgEELOm=Yeu+b8FtAZBWba7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1110111724050.23721@isis.mit.edu>

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011, Robert Deanes wrote:

> that was good ! Had Darrell on the edge  and alot of respect for road racers
> I am sure no matter where they are from.

I'm not certain that DW actually respects anyone, but that's based mostly 
on heresay. That said, I thought the vid was pretty funny in several 
differnt perspectives.

>From what I've heard, any flaggers that ever worked with him in the past 
were probably in hysterics watching the clip.

l8r,
rml
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Tue Oct 11 19:20:02 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:20:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Bill Dalton
Message-ID: <8AF0EEC83F0A4EEBAB3B7E214693D923@owner8914bbf7f>

Hi All, I'm sorry to hear about Bill Dalton.
I checked my log book and found that he tech'ed my car a couple times when I
did VSCDA events. As I recall he was a very nice guy.
I didn't know about his rock and roll history. Wow!
R.I.P. Bill Dalton.

Bill Tobin TR6

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Oct 12 16:23:51 2011
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:23:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [cvar_general] FStolen TR4 [1 Attachment]
References: <1318424531.44828.YahooMailClassic@web125503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1D7CE5B3-FEFF-4201-9120-13975B5F1EAD@austin.rr.com>

FYI

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: George Curl <ggcurl at yahoo.com>
> Date: October 12, 2011 6:02:11 AM PDT
> To: cvar_general at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [cvar_general] FStolen TR4 [1 Attachment]
>

> [Attachment(s) from George Curl included below]
>
>
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> From: Nathan P. Yonally <NYonally at KHP.KS.GOV>
> To: "cvarpresident at yahoo.com" <cvarpresident at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 9:59 AM
> Subject: FW: Stolen TR4
>
>
>
> Good Day
> Please see the above attachment with information concerning a stolen TR4
race car from Kansas City, KS.  This TR4 was stolen on 5-10-11.  The Kansas
City, KS Police Departments case # for this theft is 2010051145.  If this car
is being raced in one of your vintage races or shows up at any future races
please contact Detective Scott Todd of the Kansas City, KS Police Department
at 913-573-6057.  I know the car and could help with any questions concerning
this vehicle.  I can be reach at 913-780-6058 until 3:30 PM Monday-Friday and
on my cell # 913-433-6914 after hours.
> Thank you for your help.  I would like to see this vehicle returned to the
rightful owner.
> Paul Yonally
> AVIN
> Kansas Highway Patrol
>
>
>
>
> Attachment(s) from George Curl
>
> 1 of 1 File(s)
>
>
> STOLEN
>
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>
>
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From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 17:26:12 2011
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:26:12 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Need rear trailing arms for TR6 -- Seattle-Tacoma area
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNBxC3yBsBRqGmipK9S18r+OWRteJpB7yset9PJobzttyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone in the area have a pair [or of immediate need, a left] trailing
arm for an IRS TR that they could sell,or lend me till I can arrange to get
one from out of town?

For that matter, does anyone on the list have the above they could shipto me
in Tacoma for arrival by next Wednesday?

Thanks,

-- 
Chuck Arnold

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Oct 12 23:14:33 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:14:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Question re: cracks in IRS trailing arms
In-Reply-To: <CAMc4sNB4R9r=0cGnPmn2+bhyyCOG45FM1vR2o1TQ8mO2-JaxYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111013051926.8FC25187672@autox.team.net>

Chuck,
I wouldn't use them without repairs, a crack can travel fast. A good tig
welder can get them fixed up. If you can't get to both sides of the cracks
with the tig torch, a groove should be ground in the crack for complete
penetration.

jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:07 PM
To: Friends; Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Question re: cracks in IRS trailing arms

Both of the trailing arms on my TR6 racer have cracks in the trailing arms.
They are about 1 to 1.5 inches long and start at the bottom edge immediately
in front of the brake backing plate.  They go through, that is are visable
from both sides [though worse from inside].

Questions:
1. How dangerous is this?  It looks like there would need to be a whole lot
more cracking before danger of breaking.
2. Can they be repaired?
3. Can I do a lapping day practice in a couple of weeks with them in this
condition [may have been like that for a long time?].

Thanks in advance,

-- 
Chuck Arnold
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From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Thu Oct 13 08:00:45 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:00:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR7 going to scrapper
Message-ID: <CALsVEtC=xy+Cu2u_vJQnZ5MKKj7FnFZMp4H+JEJBqzHj_rvvFA@mail.gmail.com>

I have a solid and complete '76 TR7 coupe that is destined for the scrapper
pretty soon unless someone wants it.  Our local scrap yard is paying $11.00
per 100 pounds so, assuming a curb weight of 2,250, it's worth $247.50 if I
haul it 3 miles down the road.  On the other hand, I really hate to scrap a
car that might be useful to someone, so I'm offering it to the list for
$247.50 if anyone wants it.  It was a Texas car that was last tagged in 1983
and was stored there until a few years ago when I got it as a father/son
project that didn't go anywhere.  The body is very solid, with almost no
rust or dents.  The engine is all there, including AC, but I don't think it
will turn.  We started to take parts off the engine but didn't get very far,
and everything is there.  Unfortunately, it's a coupe, with 4 speed and
early rear end, so it's not very desirable as Triumphs go.  Anyway, I need
the space so if no one wants it I'm going to send it off to Triumph heaven.
We're in northeast Florida and I have a good Florida title for it.  Don

From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Oct 13 19:11:35 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:11:35 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Fot] Team.Net service
Message-ID: <20111014011135.207002E0ED@bradakis.com>

Team.Net is going away, I'm shutting it off tomorrow morning.

Okay, relax, it is only temporary.  The local power company will be
doing some maintenence and repairs in the area friday, October 14th.
Rather than risk frying some crucial piece of hardware due to random
power flucuations I'll be shutting down the servers in the morning
before I go to work.  I'll be bringing them back up friday evening
when the power line work is done.

So the email lists, amazingly outdated web pages, forums and such
will be down for most of the day.  All services should be back on
the air late friday, so be patient.

Too bad I'm not ready to cut over to the new server, this would be
a good time to do so.  Oh well, so it goes.

Thank you for your patience.

mjb.

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Oct 13 20:29:35 2011
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:29:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [cvar_general] FStolen TR4 [1 Attachment]
References: <1D7CE5B3-FEFF-4201-9120-13975B5F1EAD@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <ADCCB7F9-F2E1-4C7F-98BD-57407A635ACB@austin.rr.com>

I forgot that attachments get pulled when I sent this out the first time. The
pictures show a black (or dark blue) TR4 with fender flares. It has a modem
cage , HS8's, maybe 7 or 8 inch rear wheels. Carriage Motor Works is the
sponsor and it had aluminum stone guards on the rear flares. It looks like it
was an SCCA car in the not too recent past.

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
> Date: October 12, 2011 3:23:51 PM PDT
> To: FOT List <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Fwd: [cvar_general] FStolen TR4 [1 Attachment]
>

> FYI
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: George Curl <ggcurl at yahoo.com>
>> Date: October 12, 2011 6:02:11 AM PDT
>> To: cvar_general at yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [cvar_general] FStolen TR4 [1 Attachment]
>>
>
>> [Attachment(s) from George Curl included below]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>> From: Nathan P. Yonally <NYonally at KHP.KS.GOV>
>> To: "cvarpresident at yahoo.com" <cvarpresident at yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 9:59 AM
>> Subject: FW: Stolen TR4
>>
>>
>>
>> Good Day
>> Please see the above attachment with information concerning a stolen TR4
race car from Kansas City, KS.  This TR4 was stolen on 5-10-11.  The Kansas
City, KS Police Departments case # for this theft is 2010051145.  If this car
is being raced in one of your vintage races or shows up at any future races
please contact Detective Scott Todd of the Kansas City, KS Police Department
at 913-573-6057.  I know the car and could help with any questions concerning
this vehicle.  I can be reach at 913-780-6058 until 3:30 PM Monday-Friday and
on my cell # 913-433-6914 after hours.
>> Thank you for your help.  I would like to see this vehicle returned to the
rightful owner.
>> Paul Yonally
>> AVIN
>> Kansas Highway Patrol
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachment(s) from George Curl
>>
>> 1 of 1 File(s)
>>
>>
>> STOLEN
>>
>> __._,_.___
>>
>>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Oct 14 19:48:57 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 19:48:57 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Back to normal?
Message-ID: <4E98E689.1030802@bradakis.com>

I think I have everything powered up and back on line.

What fun.

mjb.

From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Oct 14 23:08:45 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:08:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Back to normal?
In-Reply-To: <4E98E689.1030802@bradakis.com>
References: <4E98E689.1030802@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4E99155D.10609@bradakis.com>

Cute - 2 for the price of 1.  Looks like a minor problem with
the reboot.  What fun.

mjb.

From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sat Oct 15 08:43:10 2011
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:43:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Back to normal?
In-Reply-To: <4E99155D.10609@bradakis.com>
References: <4E98E689.1030802@bradakis.com>
  <4E99155D.10609@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4E999BFE.9020605@blacksburg.net>

On 10/15/2011 1:08 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> Cute - 2 for the price of 1.  Looks like a minor problem with
> the reboot.  What fun.
>
> mjb.
>

> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html

My hat's off to you, buddy.  I started the first ISP in Blacksburg so I 
know what you're dealing with.  Of course I had investors but you rely 
on our donations, which is why it's so important for us to hit the 
Donate link periodically.

Have you had any luck with the archives?  I'd hate to see the pearls of 
wisdom posted here lost forever.

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go

From jason at multivintage.com  Sat Oct 15 10:39:37 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:39:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] The Great Bill Dentinger
Message-ID: <CALCydYq8LTCOV6T25CzK0dC8s9ub6-m6mT7bVm7Zriq7QA_=ng@mail.gmail.com>

What a great photo of of Bill Dentinger and Dennis Delap dueling it out
through turn 3 at Grattan in the latest issue of Victory Lane.(p.50)
I love that shot...
and timely recognition for Bill, as in the same issue (letters section) he
comments briefly on observations through his illustrious history in vintage
racing.
But... Bill, I would prefer to think of you in your Mid-Day instead of your
Twilight!
Keep it up... us younger guys need actively racing heroes.

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing

From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat Oct 15 15:58:46 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:58:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?
Message-ID: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>

Does anyone have experience with data acquisition using hardware from 
Innovate Motorsports?

Some friends and I are bringing an old water brake dyno back to life for 
some engine testing. The data acquisition stuff at Innovate Motorsports 
looked good and they could furnish everything we needed.  We bought a 
pressure transducer to get torque (thru force using a hydraulic 
cylinder), a Hall effect sensor to get RPM, and a wide band oxygen 
sensor for AFR.  These are connected through an interface "box" which 
goes to an RS232 port using USB to RS232 cable.

We've had nothing but problems with their system.  We had to return the 
interface box once already to be fixed (which took about 3 weeks).  
After that we were able to get pressure, but it often loses its settings 
and must be reset.  We get RPM a few seconds before it craps out. No 
AFR.  The whole system is flaky.  I am now sending the box and sensors 
back a second time.  I think the interface box still has problems. I 
can't decide whether to give up on them completely. It seems like it 
shouldn't be this difficult.

Does anyone else have experience with this company? Do you have a 
different company you would recommend? I realize this is a little 
different from data acquisition for racing, since we are going direct to 
the computer, but thought some of you might have a suggestion.

TIA, Larry Young

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sat Oct 15 17:41:25 2011
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:41:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?
Message-ID: <206f7.3e9bf704.3bcb7425@aol.com>

Innovate and crap that doesn't work????  Oh Hell yeah I have an  opinion!!
 
I spent a big amount of money on their system about five years ago and  
never got any results.  I sent it back for analysis and they simply sent it  
back without comment.  Nothing, nada, zilch!  Here's your shit, thanx  for the 
money sucka!
 
I am on a vendetta to tell the world about these worthless farks!   Don't 
buy their crap!
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/15/2011 4:33:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
cartravel at pobox.com writes:

Does  anyone have experience with data acquisition using hardware from 
Innovate  Motorsports?

Some friends and I are bringing an old water brake dyno  back to life for 
some engine testing. The data acquisition stuff at  Innovate Motorsports 
looked good and they could furnish everything we  needed.  We bought a 
pressure transducer to get torque (thru force  using a hydraulic 
cylinder), a Hall effect sensor to get RPM, and a wide  band oxygen 
sensor for AFR.  These are connected through an interface  "box" which 
goes to an RS232 port using USB to RS232 cable.

We've  had nothing but problems with their system.  We had to return the  
interface box once already to be fixed (which took about 3 weeks).   
After that we were able to get pressure, but it often loses its settings  
and must be reset.  We get RPM a few seconds before it craps out. No  
AFR.  The whole system is flaky.  I am now sending the box and  sensors 
back a second time.  I think the interface box still has  problems. I 
can't decide whether to give up on them completely. It seems  like it 
shouldn't be this difficult.

Does anyone else have  experience with this company? Do you have a 
different company you would  recommend? I realize this is a little 
different from data acquisition for  racing, since we are going direct to 
the computer, but thought some of you  might have a suggestion.

TIA, Larry  Young
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sat Oct 15 19:40:27 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:40:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?
References: <206f7.3e9bf704.3bcb7425@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1A34F349D1D844DF879449931EE4C4D2@owner8914bbf7f>

Don't sugar-coat it Steve, tell us how you really feel!!
(Apologies to Butch Cassidy)
Thanks for the heads up.
Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Gt6steve at aol.com>
To: <cartravel at pobox.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <saabhuman at aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?


> Innovate and crap that doesn't work????  Oh Hell yeah I have an  opinion!!
>
> I spent a big amount of money on their system about five years ago and
> never got any results.  I sent it back for analysis and they simply sent 
> it
> back without comment.  Nothing, nada, zilch!  Here's your shit, thanx  for 
> the
> money sucka!
>
> I am on a vendetta to tell the world about these worthless farks!   Don't
> buy their crap!
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/15/2011 4:33:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> cartravel at pobox.com writes:
>
> Does  anyone have experience with data acquisition using hardware from
> Innovate  Motorsports?
>
> Some friends and I are bringing an old water brake dyno  back to life for
> some engine testing. The data acquisition stuff at  Innovate Motorsports
> looked good and they could furnish everything we  needed.  We bought a
> pressure transducer to get torque (thru force  using a hydraulic
> cylinder), a Hall effect sensor to get RPM, and a wide  band oxygen
> sensor for AFR.  These are connected through an interface  "box" which
> goes to an RS232 port using USB to RS232 cable.
>
> We've  had nothing but problems with their system.  We had to return the
> interface box once already to be fixed (which took about 3 weeks).
> After that we were able to get pressure, but it often loses its settings
> and must be reset.  We get RPM a few seconds before it craps out. No
> AFR.  The whole system is flaky.  I am now sending the box and  sensors
> back a second time.  I think the interface box still has  problems. I
> can't decide whether to give up on them completely. It seems  like it
> shouldn't be this difficult.
>
> Does anyone else have  experience with this company? Do you have a
> different company you would  recommend? I realize this is a little
> different from data acquisition for  racing, since we are going direct to
> the computer, but thought some of you  might have a suggestion.
>
> TIA, Larry  Young
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From billb at bnj.com  Sat Oct 15 19:44:08 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:44:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?
In-Reply-To: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <00687A8C-83B9-406B-A666-E237F4FCBAFD@bnj.com>

This is going to sound goofy, but you could probably do everything you want to
do with a subminiature data recorder from Eagletree Systems. It's made for
doing data acquisition in RC planes, but I used it to instrument paddles to
measure acceleration, wobble and flutter, vibration, and get a GPS position
for speed. They have a lot of sensors available, including hall effect for
RPM, and up to four channels of analog to digital conversion. I pulled the
strain gauge out of a $29 scale to do a load cell for my hydraulic press, you
could probably use something like that. You'd have to fiddle some but it's a
remarkable system, works great and costs $150. You'll spend more getting all
the modules, but everything I have was less than $500.  I was expecting to
spend a few thousand to do what I wanted to do.

Here's a link to an article about it on my stand up paddle website.
https://www.kenalu.com/2011/07/serious-paddle-testing/

The software is excellent, the units are seriously tough, and I've had no
problem with them except for toasting one with over voltage from the wrong
battery (12 volts instead of 5. Here's a tip, don't put the same connectors on
two different batteries and toss them in a box). They offered to fix it but I
haven't got around to sending it back since I bought two to begin with.


On Oct 15, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Larry Young wrote:

> Does anyone have experience with data acquisition using hardware from
Innovate Motorsports?
>
> Some friends and I are bringing an old water brake dyno back to life for
some engine testing. The data acquisition stuff at Innovate Motorsports looked
good and they could furnish everything we needed.  We bought a pressure
transducer to get torque (thru force using a hydraulic cylinder), a Hall
effect sensor to get RPM, and a wide band oxygen sensor for AFR.  These are
connected through an interface "box" which goes to an RS232 port using USB to
RS232 cable.
>
> We've had nothing but problems with their system.  We had to return the
interface box once already to be fixed (which took about 3 weeks).  After that
we were able to get pressure, but it often loses its settings and must be
reset.  We get RPM a few seconds before it craps out. No AFR.  The whole
system is flaky.  I am now sending the box and sensors back a second time.  I
think the interface box still has problems. I can't decide whether to give up
on them completely. It seems like it shouldn't be this difficult.
>
> Does anyone else have experience with this company? Do you have a different
company you would recommend? I realize this is a little different from data
acquisition for racing, since we are going direct to the computer, but thought
some of you might have a suggestion.
>
> TIA, Larry Young
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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From triumphs at consolidated.net  Sat Oct 15 23:41:35 2011
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home PC)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 00:41:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?
References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
	<00687A8C-83B9-406B-A666-E237F4FCBAFD@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <F1C8CC87112A401FA75CCB3405EA301E@SONYATHOME>

I have two different boxes from Innovate in my street car and have had 
nothing but problems.  They seem to work fine just long enough to get your 
hopes up, then it gets flaky, intermittent and finally gone.  Some times 
re-flashing the boxes will fix it for a short period of time, but it is a 
bigger PITA than it is worth.

That said, their a/f meter seems reliable.  Anything more complicated than 
that and they fall flat of their faces.

My experience with support was mixed.  They never really fixed anything, but 
they keep sending new boxes without cost.

Their OBD-II wireless device seems to work OK in a modern car, but seeing 
any more than one screen at a time and, at least on the Iphone, gets very 
difficult. I would love to play with it on a laptop or Ipad.  I haven't 
played with the logging feature on that product.  My problem is that gives 
me a lot of good information, but I don't tune my modern, so it's a little 
bit more just a curiosity rather than valuable information, at least to me.

My $0.02 (or in this case about $200 :-) ) Your mileage may vary.

Ken Gano



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
To: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
Cc: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?


>
> On Oct 15, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Larry Young wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have experience with data acquisition using hardware from
> Innovate Motorsports?

From jason at multivintage.com  Sun Oct 16 17:28:02 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 18:28:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Dan Wheldon R.I.P
Message-ID: <CALCydYqj_gDm1K2RO0+esY_prwi=NapZGa65WWJveEf+Y3jyqw@mail.gmail.com>

Don't know how long the delay is here for post time but....
Some may want to know sooner that later.

Bad crash in indy car today in Las Vegas.
Dan Wheldon...This years indy 500 champ.... R.I.P.
Sad day for racing.

From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Oct 17 08:52:17 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:52:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Dan Wheldon R.I.P
Message-ID: <27859.e6a9296.3bcd9b21@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/16/2011 7:55:43 PM Central Daylight Time, 
jason at multivintage.com writes:


> Bad crash in indy car today in Las Vegas.
> Dan Wheldon...This years indy 500 champ.... R.I.P.
> Sad day for racing.
> 

34 car grid...
Mile and one half high banked track...
225 mph speeds...
$5,000,000 'carrot' for a Last to First win...

"OK guys and gals.  Get out there and race...and be careful too"

Indy Car needs to do some re-thinking...

Bill Dentinger

From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Oct 17 09:44:52 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:44:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?
In-Reply-To: <206f7.3e9bf704.3bcb7425@aol.com>
References: <206f7.3e9bf704.3bcb7425@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4E9C4D74.4070209@pobox.com>

I wish you'd told me about it before I wasted $500 Steve.  I know, my 
fault for not asking. Thanks for the information.

On 10/15/2011 6:41 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
> Innovate and crap that doesn't work????  Oh Hell yeah I have an opinion!!
> I spent a big amount of money on their system about five years ago and 
> never got any results.  I sent it back for analysis and they simply 
> sent it back without comment.  Nothing, nada, zilch!  Here's your 
> shit, thanx for the money sucka!
> I am on a vendetta to tell the world about these worthless farks!  
> Don't buy their crap!
> In a message dated 10/15/2011 4:33:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
> cartravel at pobox.com writes:
>
>     Does anyone have experience with data acquisition using hardware from
>     Innovate Motorsports?
>
>     Some friends and I are bringing an old water brake dyno back to
>     life for
>     some engine testing. The data acquisition stuff at Innovate
>     Motorsports
>     looked good and they could furnish everything we needed.  We bought a
>     pressure transducer to get torque (thru force using a hydraulic
>     cylinder), a Hall effect sensor to get RPM, and a wide band oxygen
>     sensor for AFR.  These are connected through an interface "box" which
>     goes to an RS232 port using USB to RS232 cable.
>
>     We've had nothing but problems with their system.  We had to
>     return the
>     interface box once already to be fixed (which took about 3 weeks).
>     After that we were able to get pressure, but it often loses its
>     settings
>     and must be reset.  We get RPM a few seconds before it craps out. No
>     AFR.  The whole system is flaky.  I am now sending the box and
>     sensors
>     back a second time.  I think the interface box still has problems. I
>     can't decide whether to give up on them completely. It seems like it
>     shouldn't be this difficult.
>
>     Does anyone else have experience with this company? Do you have a
>     different company you would recommend? I realize this is a little
>     different from data acquisition for racing, since we are going
>     direct to
>     the computer, but thought some of you might have a suggestion.
>
>     TIA, Larry Young
>     _______________________________________________
>     fot at autox.team.net
>
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>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Oct 17 10:45:35 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:45:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Dan Wheldon R.I.P
In-Reply-To: <27859.e6a9296.3bcd9b21@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2011642881.785434.1318869935757.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

It's not too hard to figure out what caused the injury. The so-called safer
barrier projects inboard from the catch fence and creates a shelf. I suspect
Dan's helmet made contact with it.

Rest in peace Dan



jg



----- Original Message -----


From: BillDentin at aol.com
To: jason at multivintage.com, fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 8:52:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dan Wheldon R.I.P

In a message dated 10/16/2011 7:55:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
jason at multivintage.com writes:


> Bad crash in indy car today in Las Vegas.
> Dan Wheldon...This years indy 500 champ.... R.I.P.
> Sad day for racing.
>

34 car grid...
Mile and one half high banked track...
225 mph speeds...
$5,000,000 'carrot' for a Last to First win...

"OK guys and gals. B Get out there and race...and be careful too"

Indy Car needs to do some re-thinking...

Bill Dentinger
_______________________________________________
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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Mon Oct 17 12:08:16 2011
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 14:08:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Dan Wheldon R.I.P
In-Reply-To: <27859.e6a9296.3bcd9b21@aol.com>
References: <27859.e6a9296.3bcd9b21@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001cc8cf7$bea1fe80$3be5fb80$@net>

He dead having fun 


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:52 AM
To: jason at multivintage.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dan Wheldon R.I.P

In a message dated 10/16/2011 7:55:43 PM Central Daylight Time, 
jason at multivintage.com writes:


> Bad crash in indy car today in Las Vegas.
> Dan Wheldon...This years indy 500 champ.... R.I.P.
> Sad day for racing.
> 

34 car grid...
Mile and one half high banked track...
225 mph speeds...
$5,000,000 'carrot' for a Last to First win...

"OK guys and gals.  Get out there and race...and be careful too"

Indy Car needs to do some re-thinking...

Bill Dentinger
_______________________________________________
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From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Mon Oct 17 12:42:16 2011
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:42:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...
In-Reply-To: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <1318876936.81601.YahooMailRC@web180614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

so I don't put it back together and have the same problem.  

The story is
that I had never been into the clutch.  I only knew that the PO 
raced the 74
TR6.  I autocrosses, and a hillclimb for the next couple of years 
with no
problem.  Then at the tail end of this season at an autocross, I could 
smell
my clutch after a run and it didn't want to go into gear.  Double 
clutching
could get it to go.  There never had been the typical TR6 problems 
such as
stiff clutch pedal, etc.

After breaking it open, I find little wear on the
spring fingers, a disk 
measuring appx. .290 in thickness, and all linkage
even though plenty dirty 
functioning soundly.  The slave and master of the
clutch is not losing fluid, 
and there is an adjustabe clutch rod that was in
the middle hole of the 
engage/disengage lever that is only minimally worn
oversize.

I am putting in a new clutch, but at this point, I can't see what
caused my 
failure in the first place.  Don't want to wrap it all up and have
the same 
problem.

Thanks for any assistance, Jim

From rikrock at live.com  Mon Oct 17 13:43:16 2011
From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:43:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
Message-ID: <snt0-eas3116177D4B0EF31DE9F5A21C6E40@phx.gbl>

Amici,

Can someone please explain to me the function of the "thrust button"
(the cylindrical-shaped spacer that fits inside the locker between the axle
shafts) and if/why it must be installed on a solid axle car (TR-4)?

Thanks!
Rich Rock

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Oct 17 14:50:02 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 13:50:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...
In-Reply-To: <1318876936.81601.YahooMailRC@web180614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
	<1318876936.81601.YahooMailRC@web180614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <025b01cc8d0e$584139f0$08c3add0$@rr.com>

> and there is an adjustabe clutch rod

Have you been keeping it adjusted?  As the friction plate wears, the free
play closes up until eventually there is none and the linkage starts holding
the pressure plate away from the friction plate.

-- Randall 

From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Oct 17 14:58:10 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 13:58:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...
References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
	<1318876936.81601.YahooMailRC@web180614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01255E8203E24A68AD5B80D48DEE2598@Charly>

Look at the pin on the arm to the T.O. bearing on the shaft.

Charly Mitchel
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "sherry robyn" <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:42 AM
Subject: [Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...


> so I don't put it back together and have the same problem.
>
> The story is
> that I had never been into the clutch.  I only knew that the PO
> raced the 74
> TR6.  I autocrosses, and a hillclimb for the next couple of years
> with no
> problem.  Then at the tail end of this season at an autocross, I could
> smell
> my clutch after a run and it didn't want to go into gear.  Double
> clutching
> could get it to go.  There never had been the typical TR6 problems
> such as
> stiff clutch pedal, etc.
>
> After breaking it open, I find little wear on the
> spring fingers, a disk
> measuring appx. .290 in thickness, and all linkage
> even though plenty dirty
> functioning soundly.  The slave and master of the
> clutch is not losing fluid,
> and there is an adjustabe clutch rod that was in
> the middle hole of the
> engage/disengage lever that is only minimally worn
> oversize.
>
> I am putting in a new clutch, but at this point, I can't see what
> caused my
> failure in the first place.  Don't want to wrap it all up and have
> the same
> problem.
>
> Thanks for any assistance, Jim
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Oct 17 15:33:46 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:33:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
In-Reply-To: <snt0-eas3116177D4B0EF31DE9F5A21C6E40@phx.gbl>
References: <snt0-eas3116177D4B0EF31DE9F5A21C6E40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CE5B2B962F1D1A-17A0-7ED7A@webmail-d175.sysops.aol.com>

 I think it provides the spacing that allows you to set the factory spec end
play with the shims at the end of the axle housing.

If you have the Southwick conversion or IRS, Iit is not required.

Joe A.





-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Rock <rikrock at live.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:29 pm
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions


Amici,

Can someone please explain to me the function of the "thrust button"
(the cylindrical-shaped spacer that fits inside the locker between the axle
shafts) and if/why it must be installed on a solid axle car (TR-4)?

Thanks!
Rich Rock
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From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 17 15:47:03 2011
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 21:47:03 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
In-Reply-To: <snt0-eas3116177D4B0EF31DE9F5A21C6E40@phx.gbl>
References: <snt0-eas3116177D4B0EF31DE9F5A21C6E40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W28853DD6AF6FA1F720D8EAD2E40@phx.gbl>

Speaking from memory here... AFAIK the thrust button limits the inward travel
of the axle shaft

Greg Petrolati   Lafayette, Oregon



That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...





> From: rikrock at live.com
> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:43:16 -0400
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
>
> Amici,
>
> Can someone please explain to me the function of the "thrust button"
> (the cylindrical-shaped spacer that fits inside the locker between the axle
> shafts) and if/why it must be installed on a solid axle car (TR-4)?
>
> Thanks!
> Rich Rock
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Oct 17 16:03:10 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:03:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
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The TR3/4 (and solid axle 4A) use tapered roller wheel bearings, meaning
they can only take side thrust in one direction.  So the side thrust on the
outer wheel in a turn goes through the button and gets carried by the
tapered bearing on the inner wheel.

-- Randall 

From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 17 16:12:05 2011
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:12:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...
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Jim,

Sounds like the clutch was dragging on the flywheel while the pedal was
depressed, but your examination of the parts doesn't explain why.  Best guess
I have is that the clutch travel was limited somehow.  Any chance their was
air in the system?  How much downward pedal travel was there before you could
feel resistance?  I assume on a TR6 you'd want some free play at the top of
the pedal travel.  How far from the floor did the pedal rise before the clutch
started to engage, when it was working properly?  Anything out of the normal
range suggests a geometry problem since the hydraulic clutch should
self-adjust.

Are you reusing the same pressure plate?  A few years back our Morgan Plus 8's
clutch was slipping badly in 3rd and 4th gear.  I was surprised to find that
the friction disc looked very good.  The pressure plate likely had a lot of
miles on it (189,000 miles were put on the car by the PO before I got it...)
and the diaphragm spring apparently no longer created the original clamping
force.  A new pressure plate made all the difference (although it looked
perfectly good, I had the driven plate re-lined while I was at it since that
size is obsolete and the TR4 unit used by many is 1/2" smaller).  In all the
clutch jobs I'd done this was the first time I'd seen a slippage problem
caused by the pressure plate getting weak.

Duncan
(Texas)

1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red

On Oct 17, 2011, at 1:42 PM, sherry robyn wrote:

> so I don't put it back together and have the same problem.
>
> The story is
> that I had never been into the clutch.  I only knew that the PO
> raced the 74
> TR6.  I autocrosses, and a hillclimb for the next couple of years
> with no
> problem.  Then at the tail end of this season at an autocross, I could
> smell
> my clutch after a run and it didn't want to go into gear.  Double
> clutching
> could get it to go.  There never had been the typical TR6 problems
> such as
> stiff clutch pedal, etc.
>
> After breaking it open, I find little wear on the
> spring fingers, a disk
> measuring appx. .290 in thickness, and all linkage
> even though plenty dirty
> functioning soundly.  The slave and master of the
> clutch is not losing fluid,
> and there is an adjustabe clutch rod that was in
> the middle hole of the
> engage/disengage lever that is only minimally worn
> oversize.
>
> I am putting in a new clutch, but at this point, I can't see what
> caused my
> failure in the first place.  Don't want to wrap it all up and have
> the same
> problem.
>
> Thanks for any assistance, Jim
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon Oct 17 18:22:33 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:22:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...
In-Reply-To: <5D18F7B8-A6FB-456B-95B3-FBDA43044225@gmail.com>
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	<1318876936.81601.YahooMailRC@web180614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<5D18F7B8-A6FB-456B-95B3-FBDA43044225@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20BEED40-E6D9-4090-9929-87D3D78A28A2@bnj.com>

Is the master cylinder original or aftermarket? Some aftermarket master
cylinders have residual pressure valves built into them, if you're going to
use them for a clutch you need to remove it.

On Oct 17, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Duncan Charlton wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Sounds like the clutch was dragging on the flywheel while the pedal was
> depressed, but your examination of the parts doesn't explain why.  Best
guess
> I have is that the clutch travel was limited somehow.  Any chance their was
> air in the system?  How much downward pedal travel was there before you
could
> feel resistance?  I assume on a TR6 you'd want some free play at the top of
> the pedal travel.  How far from the floor did the pedal rise before the
clutch
> started to engage, when it was working properly?  Anything out of the
normal
> range suggests a geometry problem since the hydraulic clutch should
> self-adjust.
>
> Are you reusing the same pressure plate?  A few years back our Morgan Plus
8's
> clutch was slipping badly in 3rd and 4th gear.  I was surprised to find
that
> the friction disc looked very good.  The pressure plate likely had a lot of
> miles on it (189,000 miles were put on the car by the PO before I got
it...)
> and the diaphragm spring apparently no longer created the original clamping
> force.  A new pressure plate made all the difference (although it looked
> perfectly good, I had the driven plate re-lined while I was at it since
that
> size is obsolete and the TR4 unit used by many is 1/2" smaller).  In all
the
> clutch jobs I'd done this was the first time I'd seen a slippage problem
> caused by the pressure plate getting weak.
>
> Duncan
> (Texas)
>
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red
>
> On Oct 17, 2011, at 1:42 PM, sherry robyn wrote:
>
>> so I don't put it back together and have the same problem.
>>
>> The story is
>> that I had never been into the clutch.  I only knew that the PO
>> raced the 74
>> TR6.  I autocrosses, and a hillclimb for the next couple of years
>> with no
>> problem.  Then at the tail end of this season at an autocross, I could
>> smell
>> my clutch after a run and it didn't want to go into gear.  Double
>> clutching
>> could get it to go.  There never had been the typical TR6 problems
>> such as
>> stiff clutch pedal, etc.
>>
>> After breaking it open, I find little wear on the
>> spring fingers, a disk
>> measuring appx. .290 in thickness, and all linkage
>> even though plenty dirty
>> functioning soundly.  The slave and master of the
>> clutch is not losing fluid,
>> and there is an adjustabe clutch rod that was in
>> the middle hole of the
>> engage/disengage lever that is only minimally worn
>> oversize.
>>
>> I am putting in a new clutch, but at this point, I can't see what
>> caused my
>> failure in the first place.  Don't want to wrap it all up and have
>> the same
>> problem.
>>
>> Thanks for any assistance, Jim
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Oct 18 08:17:26 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:17:26 +0200
Subject: [Fot] RGB Season Final Race
Message-ID: <002c01cc8da0$abaf06c0$030d1440$@com>

Hi,

This is from race 2:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuIQlMF1C7A

 

Cheers

Chris

From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Oct 18 09:24:27 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 17:24:27 +0200
Subject: [Fot] RGB Season Final Race
Message-ID: <003701cc8daa$08f25e00$1ad71a00$@com>

And the maybe more entertaining race 1:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_Slgv6ZT4I

 

Cheers

Chris

 

Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2011 16:17
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: RGB Season Final Race

 

Hi,

This is from race 2:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuIQlMF1C7A

 

Cheers

Chris

From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 18 13:30:56 2011
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 12:30:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
In-Reply-To: <8CE5B2B962F1D1A-17A0-7ED7A@webmail-d175.sysops.aol.com>
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	<8CE5B2B962F1D1A-17A0-7ED7A@webmail-d175.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1318966256.96970.YahooMailNeo@web46113.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Joe is correct;
I did the Southwick conversion and removed it.  
 
Mike
________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To:
rikrock at live.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions

I think it provides the spacing
that allows you to set the factory spec end
play with the shims at the end of
the axle housing.

If you have the Southwick conversion or IRS, Iit is not
required.

Joe A.





-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Rock
<rikrock at live.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:29
pm
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions


Amici,

Can someone please
explain to me the function of the "thrust button"
(the cylindrical-shaped
spacer that fits inside the locker between the axle
shafts) and if/why it must
be installed on a solid axle car (TR-4)?

Thanks!
Rich Rock
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From jason at multivintage.com  Tue Oct 18 14:33:45 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:33:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] RGB Season Final Race
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References: <003701cc8daa$08f25e00$1ad71a00$@com>
Message-ID: <CALCydYpEchn-SW6iG+NTvSLkvrRnVJN0SwFV5v744xbb0xmtjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Entertaining YES! Brilliant drive as usual!
I must comment on how totally different the level of aggression is with your
sanctioning body from most club racing and virtually ALL vintage racing in
the U.S.
We race very hard and fast as well. But, pull some of the moves I have seen
by various drivers in your videos...
Your licence will most likely be suspended or put on probation.
Do it again and you may not be welcome back to race at all.
It is interesting that it seems almost every race weekend you have shown us,
a following driver approaches from behind in an attempt to pass and makes
contact with the rear fender of the lead driver.
This is simply not tolerated over here. And is... in most cases, likely
grounds for some type of probationary measure. and possibly suspension.
And to comment further... many have occurred very early in the race. As in
this case (with the two, front running cars, racing ahead of you) the one
contacts the other, with half the race to go...again in a questionable try
to say the least... taking both out of contention and letting you walk away.

In my opinion, this tendency seems unnecessarily aggressive. Patience and
good tact will reward a good driver with a pass... perhaps at a slightly
later point in the race... while giving the same racing enjoyment and a much
more mutual positive outcome.
Believe me, I understand that accidents happen and there are going to be
incidents with contact...but every race weekend...a few times?
It seems you guys may benefit from some tougher stewarding.... unless you
all enjoy weekly trips to the body shop.

Love your videos and envy your momentum,
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:24 AM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> And the maybe more entertaining race 1:
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_Slgv6ZT4I
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2011 16:17
> An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
> Betreff: RGB Season Final Race
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> This is from race 2:
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuIQlMF1C7A
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Oct 18 15:28:05 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:28:05 +0200
Subject: [Fot] RGB Season Final Race
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	<CALCydYpEchn-SW6iG+NTvSLkvrRnVJN0SwFV5v744xbb0xmtjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000301cc8ddc$d46174e0$7d245ea0$@com>

Hi Jason,



what you say is true!

This year is very bad with car contact.

After 6 years of racing this year was the first year I had car contact, and
not only one but 5 in a row.

I would say with one contact I had a 50 percent share, the other contacts I
had were caused by others.



At the moment Im thinking about a punishment system and told the crowd
about it but nobody was fond of it.

Some did say that it might help, others fear that it might be possible that
drivers leaving our group with that system.



I have no better idea what to do against rude behavior of some drivers. And
the car contacts are always with the same bunch of drivers.

Morganeers, blue Spit pilots, yellow TR3, Topaz TR6, Marcos GT, grey TR4, MG
V8 and this year also a red TR4 with flames.



Cheers

Chris





Von: Jason Ostrowski [mailto:jason at multivintage.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2011 22:34
An: MadMarx
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] RGB Season Final Race



Entertaining YES! Brilliant drive as usual!

I must comment on how totally different the level of aggression is with your
sanctioning body from most club racing and virtually ALL vintage racing in
the U.S.

We race very hard and fast as well. But, pull some of the moves I have seen
by various drivers in your videos...

Your licence will most likely be suspended or put on probation.

Do it again and you may not be welcome back to race at all.

It is interesting that it seems almost every race weekend you have shown us,
a following driver approaches from behind in an attempt to pass and makes
contact with the rear fender of the lead driver.

This is simply not tolerated over here. And is... in most cases, likely
grounds for some type of probationary measure. and possibly suspension.

And to comment further... many have occurred very early in the race. As in
this case (with the two, front running cars, racing ahead of you) the one
contacts the other, with half the race to go...again in a questionable try
to say the least... taking both out of contention and letting you walk away.


In my opinion, this tendency seems unnecessarily aggressive. Patience and
good tact will reward a good driver with a pass... perhaps at a slightly
later point in the race... while giving the same racing enjoyment and a much
more mutual positive outcome.
Believe me, I understand that accidents happen and there are going to be
incidents with contact...but every race weekend...a few times?

It seems you guys may benefit from some tougher stewarding.... unless you
all enjoy weekly trips to the body shop.



Love your videos and envy your momentum,

Jason Ostrowski

Friendly Ghost Racing

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:24 AM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

And the maybe more entertaining race 1:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_Slgv6ZT4I



Cheers

Chris



Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2011 16:17
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: RGB Season Final Race




Hi,

This is from race 2:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuIQlMF1C7A



Cheers

Chris
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From rikrock at live.com  Tue Oct 18 16:59:10 2011
From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:59:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
Message-ID: <snt0-eas339CAFFA60CCD315FDD3C01C6E50@phx.gbl>

Thanks for all the  replies.  We had a ring gear lose a few teeth at Watkins
Glen and we're trying to figure out why it happened.

The TR4 has a Detroit locker and I noticed  there was no thrust button
installed, and I was wondering if that might have had something to do with it.
Since it also has the Southwick axle conversion, that's probably not the
reason.

Big thanks to Henry Frye whose spare ring and pinion saved the weekend for
us!

Rich Rock
________________________________
From: Mike Mehl
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 3:30 PM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; rikrock at live.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions

Joe is correct;
I did the Southwick conversion and removed it.o?=
o?=
Mike


________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: rikrock at live.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions

I think it provides the spacing that allows you to set the factory spec end
play with the shims at the end of the axle housing.

If you have the Southwick conversion or IRS, Iit is not required.

Joe A.





-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Rock <rikrock at live.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:29 pm
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions


Amici,

Can someone please explain to me the function of the "thrust button"
(the cylindrical-shaped spacer that fits inside the locker between the axle
shafts) and if/why it must be installed on a solid axle car (TR-4)?

Thanks!
Rich Rock
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From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Tue Oct 18 19:10:33 2011
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:10:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...
In-Reply-To: <5D18F7B8-A6FB-456B-95B3-FBDA43044225@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1318986633.37820.YahooMailRC@web180616.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Checked the end float and that looks OK too.  I got .010" of movement but my
indicator was at a 20 degree angle one way and 5 or so the other.  If that
sounds OK then the only thing I can put the failure to is the pressure plate. 
It was the older style B&B with very little wear on the fingers from the T O
bearing.  If it was something to do with the adjustment of the clutch rod (I
don't believe it was), then that will be rectified when I set everything back
up.

Would anyone else be inclined to leave in the existing T O bearing since
those 
Koyos have their problems too?

Thanks again for the help.

Jim
________________________________
From: Duncan Charlton
<duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
To: sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
Cc:
FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, October 17, 2011 3:12:05 PM
Subject: Re:
[Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...

Jim,

Sounds like
the clutch was dragging on the flywheel while the pedal was 
depressed, but
your examination of the parts doesn't explain why.  Best guess I 
have is that
the clutch travel was limited somehow.  Any chance their was air in 
the
system?  How much downward pedal travel was there before you could feel
resistance?  I assume on a TR6 you'd want some free play at the top of the
pedal 
travel.  How far from the floor did the pedal rise before the clutch
started to 
engage, when it was working properly?  Anything out of the normal
range suggests 
a geometry problem since the hydraulic clutch should
self-adjust.

Are you reusing the same pressure plate?  A few years back our
Morgan Plus 8's 
clutch was slipping badly in 3rd and 4th gear.  I was
surprised to find that the 
friction disc looked very good.  The pressure
plate likely had a lot of miles on 
it (189,000 miles were put on the car by
the PO before I got it...) and the 
diaphragm spring apparently no longer
created the original clamping force.  A 
new pressure plate made all the
difference (although it looked perfectly good, I 
had the driven plate
re-lined while I was at it since that size is obsolete and 
the TR4 unit used
by many is 1/2" smaller).  In all the clutch jobs I'd done 
this was the first
time I'd seen a slippage problem caused by the pressure plate 
getting weak.
Duncan
(Texas)

1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red

On Oct 17, 2011, at 1:42 PM, sherry
robyn wrote:

> so I don't put it back together and have the same problem.  
>
> The story is
> that I had never been into the clutch.  I only knew that the
PO 
> raced the 74
> TR6.  I autocrosses, and a hillclimb for the next couple
of years 
> with no
> problem.  Then at the tail end of this season at an
autocross, I could 
> smell
> my clutch after a run and it didn't want to go
into gear.  Double 
> clutching
> could get it to go.  There never had been
the typical TR6 problems 
> such as
> stiff clutch pedal, etc.
> 
> After
breaking it open, I find little wear on the
> spring fingers, a disk 
>
measuring appx. .290 in thickness, and all linkage
> even though plenty dirty
> functioning soundly.  The slave and master of the
> clutch is not losing
fluid, 
> and there is an adjustabe clutch rod that was in
> the middle hole
of the 
> engage/disengage lever that is only minimally worn
> oversize.
> 
>
I am putting in a new clutch, but at this point, I can't see what
> caused my
> failure in the first place.  Don't want to wrap it all up and have
> the
same 
> problem.
> 
> Thanks for any assistance, Jim
>
_______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
> 
>
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Tue Oct 18 19:58:15 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 01:58:15 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
Message-ID: <20111018.215815.4601.1@webmail57.dca.untd.com>

Rich, I have cracked or broken 2 Detroit Lockers, where the ring gear flange
attaches to the rest of the locker body.  Looks for cracks there.  Yours may
be cracked there and being cracked it may have too much run-out, putting
additional load on some teeth resulting in a gear failure.  I still have some
good internal parts if anyone needs them, since I gave up on using DLs.
Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Rich Rock <rikrock at live.com>
To: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>, "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>,
"fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:59:10 -0400

Thanks for all the  replies.  We had a ring gear lose a few teeth at Watkins
Glen and we're trying to figure out why it happened.

The TR4 has a Detroit locker and I noticed  there was no thrust button
installed, and I was wondering if that might have had something to do with
it.
Since it also has the Southwick axle conversion, that's probably not the
reason.

Big thanks to Henry Frye whose spare ring and pinion saved the weekend for
us!

Rich Rock
________________________________
From: Mike Mehl
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 3:30 PM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; rikrock at live.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions

Joe is correct;
I did the Southwick conversion and removed it.o?=
o?=
Mike


________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: rikrock at live.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions

I think it provides the spacing that allows you to set the factory spec end
play with the shims at the end of the axle housing.

If you have the Southwick conversion or IRS, Iit is not required.

Joe A.





-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Rock <rikrock at live.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:29 pm
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions


Amici,

Can someone please explain to me the function of the "thrust button"
(the cylindrical-shaped spacer that fits inside the locker between the axle
shafts) and if/why it must be installed on a solid axle car (TR-4)?

Thanks!
Rich Rock
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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Wed Oct 19 07:30:37 2011
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 08:30:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Stuff that needs a home-- and FOT Home
Message-ID: <C22F4A3F0AA3EA488D30A42FC8A4817639B2264F47@DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local>

Members,

Bunch of stuff that needs a home all offers (reasonable) considered:

Item                              Part Number/Casting number
Koni Shocks                 80-1005  New but with no rubber bushings Fit TR2,
TR3
Trans Overdrive Unit      25/633301    015107     6  875  Laycock Tag info
Transmission                 88306468   V3038          10 spline 1.15" Shaft
at the splines. Has aluminum bell housing with the slave @ 2 o clock and
starter on passenger side
Transmission                 88306468  V3038           10 spline 0.90" Shaft
has aluminum bell housing with slave at 9 o clock and starter on left side
Overdrive Shaft             got two of them
Head                            6 Port N61 by lifter area, T27, 304955
Head                            8 port with D shaped exhaust outlet, 367871,
56
Head                            8 port with round exhaust port outlet, RKO,
27B6, 0589
Crane Camshaft            F-244 210-8, BN3437
Carrillo rods                  Big end 2.0", small end 0.810, center to center
is 6.0"
Cam bearings                1-363, CSB612, 730883M, 84-25-970  MGB I think
Push rods                     New chrome moly 6.0" length???




Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 19 08:28:22 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:28:22 +0200
Subject: [Fot] RGB Season Final Race
In-Reply-To: <1056334662.892135.1318994395339.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <000301cc8ddc$d46174e0$7d245ea0$@com>
	<1056334662.892135.1318994395339.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <004301cc8e6b$5d890f10$189b2d30$@com>

And now, something completely different:

Drift practicing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKU5y8K-Tcw

 

Cheers

Chris

From jaboruch at netzero.net  Thu Oct 20 19:36:54 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 01:36:54 GMT
Subject: [Fot] 1500 Spitfire on Craigslist
Message-ID: <20111020.213654.5613.0@webmail55.dca.untd.com>

I came across this Spitfire on the Hartford, CT Craigslist.  NFI.

Last I saw this car was at an SCCA race at Lime Rock about 10 years ago.  It
looked like a clean well sorted car.  The top left picture is on the false
grid at LRP and it looks like my TR3 is in the background.  If I did not
already have so many cars and projects I would be interested in it.  Joe(B)

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Oct 21 07:16:17 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:16:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] 1500 Spitfire on Craigslist
In-Reply-To: <20111020.213654.5613.0@webmail55.dca.untd.com>
References: <20111020.213654.5613.0@webmail55.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1110210915100.5208@isis.mit.edu>

Here's a link:

http://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/2616551087.html

regards,
rml
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Oct 21 08:45:40 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 10:45:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] spitfire rear engine plate in aluminum
Message-ID: <8CE5E173C9F5C89-968-26D7F@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com>

I sent Rob Dardano a Spitfire plate by mistake instead of his TR6.

Rather than have him send it back, make me an offer, and we will get it to
you.

Thanks,

Joe A

From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Fri Oct 21 13:01:16 2011
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:01:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC: Looking for tow vehicle
Message-ID: <380-220111052119116818@M2W139.mail2web.com>

Hi everyone,

Brad and I have decided to start the search for a good tow vehicle. Right
now we are using a 1992 Ford F-350 diesel dually that we want to stop
shoveling money into, and have a 1990 Ford F-150 that Brad drives to work,
and a 1991 Mazda B2200 that is very rusty underneath. We figured we needed
to dump all of the above and get one truck we can tow the horse trailer and
possibly the race trailer (we usually use the Airstream or Dakota for that)
with, that he can also drive about 12 miles on a daily basis.

We thought we would tap the power of the list and ask if anyone knows of a
decent used truck we would be interested in. We are very budget-conscious
and are looking for the best deal we can get, and probably will have about
$7,500-9,500 to spend.

Specs we are interested in:
- 3/4 ton single rear axle
- Diesel preferred but will take a gas engine in the right truck
- Automatic transmission
- Towing package
- Extended cab preferred (or crew cab if the right truck)--no standard cabs
- Good a/c and heat system
- Power steering and brakes
- Good overall condition and no rust

We are willing to drive a ways to get the right truck home (we're in
central Kentucky), but far west destinations are probably out, just due to
the time/distance involved.

Thank you very much for any help you can give us!

Keep Triumphing,

Susan     :)

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From kaskas at cox.net  Fri Oct 21 16:28:20 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 22:28:20 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Sebring 1963
Message-ID: <SNT120-W56A36156DBE2438C218AAFDFE80@phx.gbl>

In going through me daughter Jane's personal items after her recent death from
a tragic accident, I found this amazing official photo of the start of the
Sebring 1963 race, and on the back all the autographs of the drivers and folks
that were around at that time including  Gordon Jennings  along with ALL of
the drivers.  It will be posted on my web site shortly, www.kaskastner.com.

Never be beaten by equipment

From gasket.works at gte.net  Fri Oct 21 20:32:13 2011
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:32:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sebring 1963
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W56A36156DBE2438C218AAFDFE80@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W56A36156DBE2438C218AAFDFE80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6FE3915F-280F-4334-A0D0-DAB462FD434A@gte.net>

What a fabulous find.  I showed the photo to Karen.  She was really thrilled
to see her father's  and mom's names there.

Mordy

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 21, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:

> In going through me daughter Jane's personal items after her recent death
from
> a tragic accident, I found this amazing official photo of the start of the
> Sebring 1963 race, and on the back all the autographs of the drivers and
folks
> that were around at that time including  Gordon Jennings  along with ALL of
> the drivers.  It will be posted on my web site shortly, www.kaskastner.com.
>
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Fri Oct 21 20:34:18 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 02:34:18 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Fw: 1500 Spitfire on Craigslist
Message-ID: <20111021.223418.29323.0@webmail55.dca.untd.com>

Sorry, for some reason the link did not stay with the note.  Here it is
http://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/2616551087.html
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: 1500 Spitfire on Craigslist
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 01:36:54 GMT

I came across this Spitfire on the Hartford, CT Craigslist.  NFI.

Last I saw this car was at an SCCA race at Lime Rock about 10 years ago.  It
looked like a clean well sorted car.  The top left picture is on the false
grid at LRP and it looks like my TR3 is in the background.  If I did not
already have so many cars and projects I would be interested in it.  Joe(B)

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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Oct 22 07:07:23 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:07:23 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Funny what you can do in Germany
In-Reply-To: <380-220111052119116818@M2W139.mail2web.com>
References: <380-220111052119116818@M2W139.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <001d01cc90bb$8d172490$a7456db0$@com>

A biker is passing a traffic control with 188 mph.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRyrySoJpR8&feature=related

Cheers
Chris

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Oct 22 11:30:33 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 13:30:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] MADMARX VITON SEAL     THREE KITS AVAILABLE-NOW
In-Reply-To: <8CE5EF6E7F9C5DF-2E0-2ADE1@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE5EF6E7F9C5DF-2E0-2ADE1@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CE5EF77022184D-2E0-2AE7F@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com>

I just received 15 viton seals yesterday from Chris.

After filling orders for four kits, I have three left.
At least until I am able to produce more seal housings.
These are the seals that retain the scroll function while adding a VITON LIP
SEAL in tandem.
VITON is absolutely the best seal material available for this application.
This kit does not require the machining of the crankshaft, thus avoiding that
cost and hassle.








Thanks,

Joe A

From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Sat Oct 22 14:27:05 2011
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 20:27:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Owners
Message-ID: <815343688.1074298.1319315225797.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hello: 

FYI, a new (NOS) TR6 luggage rack on eBay, item number 160669834556 

GH 

From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Sat Oct 22 16:22:55 2011
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:22:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR2 or 3 license plate stop light
Message-ID: <4EA3423F.8030108@cfl.rr.com>

Any help is much appreciated finding a Lucas license plate/stop light 
for the TR2/3. Just finding the base is okay too, as I have an original 
lens. Not the Chinese junk the usual suppliers are selling. Those are 
not shaped correctly.

Slowly making headway toward finishing the recreation of the 57 TR3 the 
factory raced at Sebring. Winchester blue with red interior and hardtop.

thxx,
Bob Davis

From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct 22 19:43:57 2011
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:43:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
Message-ID: <1319334237.3589.YahooMailNeo@web80806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Amici,
 
If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
satellite system,
you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic Cars
with Wayne Carini.
The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs at 1am
and 4am. 
 
He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44. You
can see a
TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one.
 
Doug

From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Sun Oct 23 12:56:53 2011
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 11:56:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Correctly using the adjustable clutch rod
In-Reply-To: <20BEED40-E6D9-4090-9929-87D3D78A28A2@bnj.com>
References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
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	<20BEED40-E6D9-4090-9929-87D3D78A28A2@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <1319396213.50080.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I see in Kas' book (book 2 I believe) page 84 where it talks about the
adjustable clutch rod, it states that the adjustable clutch rod...."allow(s) a
very fine adjustment to make certain the throwout bearing is in adjustment and
that the seals and crankshaft thrust washers are not threatened by
maladjustment 
of the rod."

My situation is that I just installed a new B&B
clutch assembly with a Koyo 
throwout bearing in my 74 TR6.  The linkage is
not completely free of movement 
due to wear but it is very minimal.  I have
adjusted the clutch rod to the stock 
length and the clutch functions but I
want to use the adjustable clutch rod as 
mentioned above.  The Koyo bearing
makes an throwout assembly that is appx. 1/16 
inch longer than stock not to
mention the bearing requiring more force to keep 
it spinning.  If I had all
stock items, I would likely use the adjustable clutch 
rod just to take up
wear in the future, but with the introduction of the Koyo 
bearing, I am
hoping to use the adjustable clutch rod as a way to have my 
components
operating optimally.  Any suggestions on how to do this would be 
greatly
appreciated.

Thanks, Jim

From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Oct 24 09:51:15 2011
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:51:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] expansion tank needed
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Message-ID: <1361812475.944332.1319471475118.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hello all, 
I'm installing an aluminum radiator in my TR3 that doesn't have the original style filler neck and I'd like to place an expansion/fill tank in the battery box area. I know that Spits, TR8s and MGBs use an expansion tank and this is the type of tank that I would prefer using. Does anyone by any chance have one of these style tanks available? 
Thanks, 
Dave H. 

From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Oct 24 12:53:21 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:53:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] expansion tank needed
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Pegasus has a very nice one.....1.25 quart, 4.6" wide, 5.7" high,

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To: Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] expansion tank needed


Hello all,
I'm installing an aluminum radiator in my TR3 that doesn't have the original
style filler neck and I'd like to place an expansion/fill tank in the
battery box area. I know that Spits, TR8s and MGBs use an expansion tank and
this is the type of tank that I would prefer using. Does anyone by any
chance have one of these style tanks available?
Thanks,
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Oct 26 09:34:20 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 11:34:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
Message-ID: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time, 
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:


> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic 
> Cars
> with Wayne Carini.  The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs 
> at 1am
> and 4am.  He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44. You
> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>

I watched that show last night and found it very interesting.  I remember 
that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and 
Watkins Glen.  It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a Doctor 
from Mystic, CT.  It went FAST.  One thing I remember about it was that it 
went back into its enclosed trailer every night.  It then stopped showing up 
at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty' 
divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets.  At the time 
(early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me that 
it really was not for sale.  Well, apparently it has sat in the 
basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale again.  This 
time $45-50,000.00 price tag.

Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.  An 86 
year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had purchased 
in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping 
costs).  The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for 
about three quarters of a million dollars.

Wow!

Bill Dentinger

From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Oct 26 10:24:30 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 09:24:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
References: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAFC3043637346AB8DBB74D8711CB778@Charly>

for those of you who may not get the Discovery Velocity station (which I 
don't) you can view a clip of the car being started @:
http://velocity.discovery.com/videos/chasing-classic-cars/  It's under the 
F40 Fix-Up
Roger of F40 Motorsports begins to work on fixing up a Triumph TR4., which 
is the company who was working on it.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillDentin at aol.com>
To: <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars


> In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>
>> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
>> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
>> Cars
>> with Wayne Carini.  The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
>> at 1am
>> and 4am.  He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44. 
>> You
>> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>
>
> I watched that show last night and found it very interesting.  I remember
> that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
> Watkins Glen.  It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a 
> Doctor
> from Mystic, CT.  It went FAST.  One thing I remember about it was that it
> went back into its enclosed trailer every night.  It then stopped showing 
> up
> at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
> divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets.  At the 
> time
> (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me 
> that
> it really was not for sale.  Well, apparently it has sat in the
> basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale 
> again.  This
> time $45-50,000.00 price tag.
>
> Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.  An 
> 86
> year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had 
> purchased
> in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
> costs).  The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
> about three quarters of a million dollars.
>
> Wow!
>
> Bill Dentinger
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Oct 26 10:25:16 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:25:16 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
References: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F04E639@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

I watched it too. Wayne Carini is asking $55K for it and it seems quite high
from a value perspective. It seemed like a nice car, but having been parked
that long I doubt it has things like a Moldex crank, Uncle Jack front hubs and
Southwick axle. As it is there seems to be a glut of TR4/4A's  for sale these
days with four on Race-cars.com with asking prices from a low of 17K up to a
high of 28.5K, and some of them have comparable "SCCA" race history. We need
some buyers to put these cars back on track!

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of BillDentin at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 10:34 AM
To: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars

In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:


> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
> Cars
> with Wayne Carini.  The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
> at 1am
> and 4am.  He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44. You
> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>

I watched that show last night and found it very interesting.  I remember
that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
Watkins Glen.  It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a
Doctor
from Mystic, CT.  It went FAST.  One thing I remember about it was that it
went back into its enclosed trailer every night.  It then stopped showing up
at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets.  At the time
(early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me that
it really was not for sale.  Well, apparently it has sat in the
basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale again.
This
time $45-50,000.00 price tag.

Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.  An 86
year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had purchased
in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
costs).  The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
about three quarters of a million dollars.

Wow!

Bill Dentinger
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

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From andre at gt6.ca  Wed Oct 26 10:44:59 2011
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:44:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <BAFC3043637346AB8DBB74D8711CB778@Charly>
References: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
	<BAFC3043637346AB8DBB74D8711CB778@Charly>
Message-ID: <CADr8x9ZdGaKAAAy1Y_Ddme1Ya_EdWyWggU71-6qi8JUEG5eong@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.gt6.ca/09/0105/slides/DSCN4284.html

Yeah we've all be down there working in the foot well.

A.

On 26 October 2011 12:24, Charly Mitchel <charly at mitchelplumbing.com> wrote:
> for those of you who may not get the Discovery Velocity station (which I
> don't) you can view a clip of the car being started @:
> http://velocity.discovery.com/videos/chasing-classic-cars/  It's under the
> F40 Fix-Up
> Roger of F40 Motorsports begins to work on fixing up a Triumph TR4., which
> is the company who was working on it.
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <BillDentin at aol.com>
> To: <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 8:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
>
>
>> In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
>> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:
>>
>>
>>> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
>>> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
>>> Cars
>>> with Wayne Carini.  The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
>>> at 1am
>>> and 4am.  He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44.
>>> You
>>> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>
>>
>> I watched that show last night and found it very interesting.  I remember
>> that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
>> Watkins Glen.  It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a
>> Doctor
>> from Mystic, CT.  It went FAST.  One thing I remember about it was that it
>> went back into its enclosed trailer every night.  It then stopped showing
>> up
>> at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
>> divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets.  At the
>> time
>> (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me
>> that
>> it really was not for sale.  Well, apparently it has sat in the
>> basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale
>> again.  This
>> time $45-50,000.00 price tag.
>>
>> Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.  An
>> 86
>> year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had
>> purchased
>> in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
>> costs).  The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
>> about three quarters of a million dollars.
>>
>> Wow!
>>
>> Bill Dentinger
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Oct 26 10:46:50 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 09:46:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
References: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
	<639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F04E639@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <8DF191C563994007848D19A0CC71B354@Charly>

I didn't see the show in it's entirety and it seems to me that if it's an 
original Group $$ (44) that it may have that kind of value.  It seems that 
racecars with prominence history have a very high value (or the sellers 
think so).
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kramer, Robert" <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>
To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars


>I watched it too. Wayne Carini is asking $55K for it and it seems quite 
>high
> from a value perspective. It seemed like a nice car, but having been 
> parked
> that long I doubt it has things like a Moldex crank, Uncle Jack front hubs 
> and
> Southwick axle. As it is there seems to be a glut of TR4/4A's  for sale 
> these
> days with four on Race-cars.com with asking prices from a low of 17K up to 
> a
> high of 28.5K, and some of them have comparable "SCCA" race history. We 
> need
> some buyers to put these cars back on track!
>
> Bob Kramer
> Southern Construction Inventory Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-687-7422 Office
> 512-657-8526 Cell
>
>
> Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things 
> turn
> out. ~John Wooden
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On 
> Behalf
> Of BillDentin at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 10:34 AM
> To: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
>
> In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>
>> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
>> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
>> Cars
>> with Wayne Carini.  The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
>> at 1am
>> and 4am.  He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44. 
>> You
>> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>
>
> I watched that show last night and found it very interesting.  I remember
> that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
> Watkins Glen.  It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a
> Doctor
> from Mystic, CT.  It went FAST.  One thing I remember about it was that it
> went back into its enclosed trailer every night.  It then stopped showing 
> up
> at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
> divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets.  At the 
> time
> (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me 
> that
> it really was not for sale.  Well, apparently it has sat in the
> basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale 
> again.
> This
> time $45-50,000.00 price tag.
>
> Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.  An 
> 86
> year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had 
> purchased
> in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
> costs).  The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
> about three quarters of a million dollars.
>
> Wow!
>
> Bill Dentinger
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Oct 26 10:47:06 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:47:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Wizard Cooling Aluminum Radiators
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F04E68D@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

I just had a good customer service experience with these guys. I've had a fair
amount of trouble with the TR4A radiator I bought from them a few years ago.
The upper hose angle was wrong, angled up instead of horizontal and although a
silicone upper hose solved the fitment problem, the radiator eventually
started leaking around the upper tank welds. I suspect that the wrong hose
angle put some extra pressure on the tube and spread the problem elsewhere.

Regardless, Wizard has changed hands since I bought my radiator, it is way out
of warranty and yet the new owners took care of me. They took the time to
understand the problem, looked at mine for repair potential and in the end
they offered to sell me a new radiator at their cost to solve the problem. The
repair quote was quite reasonable, but I was wary of an epoxy repair to an all
aluminum radiator even after fixing the upper tube problem.

YMMV

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell

Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out.
<http://walkthetalk.us1.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=8f89bce0be7e1813d8ad34
042&id=abf4a5c42b&e=7085705c50> ~John Wooden

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Oct 26 10:48:01 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:48:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1556857802.1138160.1319647681421.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

F40 Motorsports has it for sale on thei r website for $ 55K.



http://www.f40.com/inventorymanager.php?action=view&Id=372344



The good news is he will finance it.





jg



----- Original Message -----


From: BillDentin at aol.com
To: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net, fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:34:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars

In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:


> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
> Cars
> with Wayne Carini. B The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
> at 1am
> and 4am. B He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44. You
> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>

I watched that show last night and found it very interesting. B I remember
that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
Watkins Glen. B It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a
Doctor
from Mystic, CT. B It went FAST. B One thing I remember about it was that it
went back into its enclosed trailer every night. B It then stopped showing up
at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets. B At the
time
(early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me that
it really was not for sale. B Well, apparently it has sat in the
basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale again.
B This
time $45-50,000.00 price tag.

Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting. B An 86
year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had purchased
in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
costs). B The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
about three quarters of a million dollars.

Wow!

Bill Dentinger
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Wed Oct 26 12:25:08 2011
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:25:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <1556857802.1138160.1319647681421.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1556857802.1138160.1319647681421.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <ea62897a83f08a71e6d4ff8252de647c.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

	Finance a race car?  That really sounds like a "fantastic"
idea to me...


	 


	No thanks,


	John


	 


	On Wed, October 26, 2011 12:48 pm, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:

	> F40 Motorsports has it for sale on thei r website for $ 55K.

	>

	>

	>

	> http://www.f40.com/inventorymanager.php?action=view&Id=372344

	>

	>

	>

	> The good news is he will finance it.

	>

	>

	>

	>

	>

	> jg

	>

	>

	>

	> ----- Original Message -----

	>

	>

	>

	From: BillDentin at aol.com

	> To: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net, fot at autox.team.net

	> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:34:20 AM

	> Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars

	>

	> In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,

	> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:

	>

	>

	>> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on
your cable or

	>> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing
Classic

	>> Cars

	>> with Wayne Carini. B The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm
eastern.

	>> Re-airs

	>> at 1am

	>> and 4am. B He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White
number 44.

	>> You

	>> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one.
>>>

	>

	> I watched that show last night and found it very interesting. B I
remember

	> that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America,
and

	> Watkins Glen. B It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven
well by a

	> Doctor

	> from Mystic, CT. B It went FAST. B One thing I remember about it was
that

	> it

	> went back into its enclosed trailer every night. B It then stopped
showing

	> up

	> at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a
&#39;dirty&#39;

	> divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets. B
At the

	> time

	> (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested
to me

	> that

	> it really was not for sale. B Well, apparently it has sat in the

	> basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for
sale

	> again.

	> B This

	> time $45-50,000.00 price tag.

	>

	> Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.
B An

	> 86

	> year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had

	> purchased

	> in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including
shipping

	> costs). B The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will
sell

	> for

	> about three quarters of a million dollars.

	>

	> Wow!

	>

	> Bill Dentinger

	> _______________________________________________

	> fot at autox.team.net

	>

	> http://www.fot-racing.com

	>

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	>
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Oct 26 12:29:12 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:29:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <8DF191C563994007848D19A0CC71B354@Charly>
References: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
	<639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F04E639@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
	<8DF191C563994007848D19A0CC71B354@Charly>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1110261425450.12027@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 26 Oct 2011, Charly Mitchel wrote:

> I didn't see the show in it's entirety and it seems to me that if it's an 
> original Group $$ (44) that it may have that kind of value.  It seems that 
> racecars with prominence history have a very high value (or the sellers think 
> so).

The car in the show was def. NOT a Group 44 car.

As for the asking price, that's not for me to decide. It does look like a 
nice, clean car and it has been raced since new in '62, so it def. has 
provenance.

One of the highlights of the show for me was hearing the car bark to life. 
It sounded really sweet. :-) :-)

> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44

regards,
rml
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From LimeyV8 at aol.com  Wed Oct 26 15:15:54 2011
From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (Jack Mc)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:15:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <1556857802.1138160.1319647681421.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1556857802.1138160.1319647681421.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <A7985E00-FE95-4DD6-AF12-D66902D571A2@aol.com>

F40 Motorsports is the name of Wayne Carini's business.

The tv show must have a really long lead time between tape and air - the ad
for that car has been up on the F40 web site for well over a year

Cheers,
Jack Mc

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 26, 2011, at 12:48 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:

> F40 Motorsports has it for sale on thei r website for $ 55K.
>
>
>
> http://www.f40.com/inventorymanager.php?action=view&Id=372344
>
>
>
> The good news is he will finance it.
>
>
>
>
>
> jg
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: BillDentin at aol.com
> To: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net, fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:34:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
>
> In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>
>> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
>> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
>> Cars
>> with Wayne Carini. B The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
>> at 1am
>> and 4am. B He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44.
You
>> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>
>
> I watched that show last night and found it very interesting. B I remember
> that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
> Watkins Glen. B It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a
> Doctor
> from Mystic, CT. B It went FAST. B One thing I remember about it was that
it
> went back into its enclosed trailer every night. B It then stopped showing
up
> at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
> divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets. B At the
> time
> (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me
that
> it really was not for sale. B Well, apparently it has sat in the
> basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale
again.
> B This
> time $45-50,000.00 price tag.
>
> Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting. B An
86
> year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had purchased
> in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
> costs). B The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
> about three quarters of a million dollars.
>
> Wow!
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From stutzmans at comcast.net  Wed Oct 26 17:19:02 2011
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:19:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
References: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3A51764FB8754789B6F131C9E2E12AF5@ComputerPC>

Bill,
The Dr. who owned and raced that car was Bill Colum ,my spellimg may be off. 
He never hung with the rest of us TR guys.  Sure was a nice car though.
Bruce
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillDentin at aol.com>
To: <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars


> In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>
>> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
>> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
>> Cars
>> with Wayne Carini.  The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
>> at 1am
>> and 4am.  He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44. 
>> You
>> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>
>
> I watched that show last night and found it very interesting.  I remember
> that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
> Watkins Glen.  It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a 
> Doctor
> from Mystic, CT.  It went FAST.  One thing I remember about it was that it
> went back into its enclosed trailer every night.  It then stopped showing 
> up
> at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
> divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets.  At the 
> time
> (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me 
> that
> it really was not for sale.  Well, apparently it has sat in the
> basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale 
> again.  This
> time $45-50,000.00 price tag.
>
> Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.  An 
> 86
> year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had 
> purchased
> in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
> costs).  The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
> about three quarters of a million dollars.
>
> Wow!
>
> Bill Dentinger
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>
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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Wed Oct 26 17:31:47 2011
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:31:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Charly Mitchel's  Topic #2 message , Vol 59, Issue 28
Message-ID: <0B27F106AAB64C79B2AB0BD9E54A6DA9@Bucktailus>

The Roger that Charly refers to is Roger Barr who does twist wrenches for F40.
He was my room mate in those long ago days in Germany when I was working my
way into Road Racing.  He came over to our outfit about a year prior to my
coming home and jumped right into the Sports Car scene.  He bought a used
MG-TD.  Was following me one day and disappeared. I turned around and went
back and there he was,  with the TD on its side.  Very little damage but
bruised feelings.  I am in contact with him again after all there years.  He
tells me he got into buying used / wrecked MG A's there in Germany, and
piecing them together to make a road / race units. Remember we drove our cars
to the track and that was our wheels home.  Spent to usual, as much as
possible on the Nurburgring practicing, as we all did.  He had a successful
stint back in the states making and racing Formula Vs.  I think he was  an
SCCA champ one year.  I know that, a now deceased friend, Norman  Babcock ran
into to him in California at one of the National Run offs. So that is who
"Roger " is FYI.

Bob Johns

From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 07:17:04 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:17:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
References: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9NWdquYDx4s+S=0EHMQuq8b_A7BPoXJD0awuEUpF4xQDg@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, that was interesting about the TR, my wife even watched it an then
wanted to know ,jokingly, when I was going to sell, I told her just about
the time the older gentleman sold his Ferrari ! Eighty nine years old I
believe he said he was. Love to see the segment of when he sells both cars
at an auction and what he really gets. I hope that when we all get that age
that there is someone interesting in racing/running our cars....look out
flying machines !

rob deanes

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:34 AM, <BillDentin at aol.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>
> > <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
> > satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
> > Cars
> > with Wayne Carini.  The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
> > at 1am
> > and 4am.  He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44.
> You
> > can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>
>
> I watched that show last night and found it very interesting.  I remember
> that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
> Watkins Glen.  It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a
> Doctor
> from Mystic, CT.  It went FAST.  One thing I remember about it was that it
> went back into its enclosed trailer every night.  It then stopped showing
> up
> at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
> divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets.  At the
> time
> (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me
> that
> it really was not for sale.  Well, apparently it has sat in the
> basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale
> again.  This
> time $45-50,000.00 price tag.
>
> Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.  An 86
> year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had purchased
> in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
> costs).  The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
> about three quarters of a million dollars.
>
> Wow!
>
> Bill Dentinger
>  _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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-- 
rob deanes
TR Racer

From gasket.works at gte.net  Thu Oct 27 08:10:57 2011
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:10:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Charly Mitchel's  Topic #2 message , Vol 59, Issue 28
In-Reply-To: <0B27F106AAB64C79B2AB0BD9E54A6DA9@Bucktailus>
References: <0B27F106AAB64C79B2AB0BD9E54A6DA9@Bucktailus>
Message-ID: <A30832E2-C6DC-49D7-A752-6DEB405533E4@gte.net>

Bob

Good story.....

 Smallish world...in our group of misfits.
Mordy

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 26, 2011, at 4:31 PM, "Robert Johns" <rjohns at woh.rr.com> wrote:

> The Roger that Charly refers to is Roger Barr who does twist wrenches for
F40.
> He was my room mate in those long ago days in Germany when I was working my
> way into Road Racing.  He came over to our outfit about a year prior to my
> coming home and jumped right into the Sports Car scene.  He bought a used
> MG-TD.  Was following me one day and disappeared. I turned around and went
> back and there he was,  with the TD on its side.  Very little damage but
> bruised feelings.  I am in contact with him again after all there years.
He
> tells me he got into buying used / wrecked MG A's there in Germany, and
> piecing them together to make a road / race units. Remember we drove our
cars
> to the track and that was our wheels home.  Spent to usual, as much as
> possible on the Nurburgring practicing, as we all did.  He had a successful
> stint back in the states making and racing Formula Vs.  I think he was  an
> SCCA champ one year.  I know that, a now deceased friend, Norman  Babcock
ran
> into to him in California at one of the National Run offs. So that is who
> "Roger " is FYI.
>
> Bob Johns
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>
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 15:10:30 2011
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:10:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Red Line Oil
References: <956913E1-72C8-40EE-A34F-1D744DE6D572@aol.com>
Message-ID: <DD28A209-0734-441C-B631-A16884B2BB47@aol.com>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Sam Clark <trdoctor at aol.com>
> Subject: Red Line Oil
> Date: October 27, 2011 4:08:02 PM CDT
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net, 6pack at autox.team.net
>
> Here is a response from Red Line on the usage.
>
> Sam,
> HTH
>
> Sorry for the confusion, your differential originally called for a SAE 90
GL-4, the MT-90 is a well suited replacement.
> A GL-4 gear oil is suitable for a zero or low offset hypoid ring and pinion
as well as straight pattern gears fitted in differentials.
> A high offset hypoid gear, where the pinion approaches the ring gear well
below it's centerline requires an extreme pressure, GL-5 type gear oil. The
note refers to late model separate differentials which typically contain a
high offset hypoid gear.
>
> Regards, Dave
> Red Line Oil

From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 15:16:04 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:16:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W24EE72677AA36F7C102FC3DFD20@phx.gbl>
References: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
	<CAP9qD9NWdquYDx4s+S=0EHMQuq8b_A7BPoXJD0awuEUpF4xQDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT120-W24EE72677AA36F7C102FC3DFD20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9P9wwOWaQJ2JutKVZDTeTMPZb=mPYjXLrTzaVZ0Q+Bdpg@mail.gmail.com>

I still have 34 years.. till 89 ,.....if I can just remember as much as you
probably have forgotten i will be doing good.

rob deanes

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:

>  i am already there and then some pal, and fast cars aare still a gas.
> Don't fret, keep your mind right.
>
> Never be beaten by equipment
>
> > Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:17:04 -0400
> > From: rfdeanes at gmail.com
> > To: BillDentin at aol.com
> > CC: fot at autox.team.net
>
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
> >
>  > Yes, that was interesting about the TR, my wife even watched it an then
> > wanted to know ,jokingly, when I was going to sell, I told her just about
> > the time the older gentleman sold his Ferrari ! Eighty nine years old I
> > believe he said he was. Love to see the segment of when he sells both
> cars
> > at an auction and what he really gets. I hope that when we all get that
> age
> > that there is someone interesting in racing/running our cars....look out
> > flying machines !
> >
> > rob deanes
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:34 AM, <BillDentin at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
> > > > satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing
> Classic
> > > > Cars
> > > > with Wayne Carini. The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern.
> Re-airs
> > > > at 1am
> > > > and 4am. He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44.
> > > You
> > > > can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>
> > >
> > > I watched that show last night and found it very interesting. I
> remember
> > > that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
> > > Watkins Glen. It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by
> a
> > > Doctor
> > > from Mystic, CT. It went FAST. One thing I remember about it was that
> it
> > > went back into its enclosed trailer every night. It then stopped
> showing
> > > up
> > > at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
> > > divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets. At
> the
> > > time
> > > (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to
> me
> > > that
> > > it really was not for sale. Well, apparently it has sat in the
> > > basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale
> > > again. This
> > > time $45-50,000.00 price tag.
> > >
> > > Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting. An
> 86
> > > year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had
> purchased
> > > in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including
> shipping
> > > costs). The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell
> for
> > > about three quarters of a million dollars.
> > >
> > > Wow!
> > >
> > > Bill Dentinger
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > fot at autox.team.net
> > >
> > > http://www.fot-racing.com
> > >
> > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > rob deanes
> > TR Racer
> > _______________________________________________
> > fot at autox.team.net
> >
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> >
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> >
>



-- 
rob deanes
TR Racer

From jfrymark at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 16:11:59 2011
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:11:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
Message-ID: <E634BBE0-F961-41FD-B2D8-7981DF628F71@aol.com>

I noted the scene where the Dr. is talking about his racing days in  
past tense and over his shoulder is a top-down convertible MBZ with a  
baby seat installed. Explained it all to me: Vintage racing is an OLD  
man's game! Let the comments fly...

John Frymark

From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Oct 27 17:28:06 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:28:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <E634BBE0-F961-41FD-B2D8-7981DF628F71@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <7F95F5FAE1874FAB85F9B7295CB0C0CD@Vista>

John, you are far from what I'd consider "OLD", yet you are involved in
vintage racing.  How do you square that?

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of John Frymark
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 3:12 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars

I noted the scene where the Dr. is talking about his racing days in  
past tense and over his shoulder is a top-down convertible MBZ with a  
baby seat installed. Explained it all to me: Vintage racing is an OLD  
man's game! Let the comments fly...

John Frymark
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From jfrymark at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 17:54:54 2011
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:54:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <7F95F5FAE1874FAB85F9B7295CB0C0CD@Vista>
References: <E634BBE0-F961-41FD-B2D8-7981DF628F71@aol.com>
	<7F95F5FAE1874FAB85F9B7295CB0C0CD@Vista>
Message-ID: <9291AE34-8C9A-4F21-B2DA-011955DEFA6B@aol.com>

Joe,
Yes I've been involved in vintage racing, but in 2 years when my last  
kid is through college I hope to be COMMITTED to vintage racing!

On Oct 27, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Joe Curry wrote:

> John, you are far from what I'd consider "OLD", yet you are involved  
> in
> vintage racing.  How do you square that?
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]  
> On
> Behalf Of John Frymark
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 3:12 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
>
> I noted the scene where the Dr. is talking about his racing days in
> past tense and over his shoulder is a top-down convertible MBZ with a
> baby seat installed. Explained it all to me: Vintage racing is an OLD
> man's game! Let the comments fly...
>
> John Frymark
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Oct 28 08:27:59 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:27:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
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Jon:  Don't forget grandkids and college, I speak from experience!

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars


Joe,
Yes I've been involved in vintage racing, but in 2 years when my last
kid is through college I hope to be COMMITTED to vintage racing!

On Oct 27, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Joe Curry wrote:

> John, you are far from what I'd consider "OLD", yet you are involved
> in
> vintage racing.  How do you square that?
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On
> Behalf Of John Frymark
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 3:12 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
>
> I noted the scene where the Dr. is talking about his racing days in
> past tense and over his shoulder is a top-down convertible MBZ with a
> baby seat installed. Explained it all to me: Vintage racing is an OLD
> man's game! Let the comments fly...
>
> John Frymark
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Oct 29 06:07:21 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 08:07:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Business for sale
Message-ID: <000601cc9633$50348720$f09d9560$@rogers.com>

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-30-yr-Parts-collection-TR2-TR3-TR4-TR6-TR7-T
R8-Stag-GT6-Spit-/160671995346?hash=item2568cc15d2
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-30-yr-Parts-collection-TR2-TR3-TR4-TR6-TR7-
TR8-Stag-GT6-Spit-/160671995346?hash=item2568cc15d2&item=160671995346&pt=Mot
ors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr>
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Oct 29 07:23:13 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:23:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Business for sale
Message-ID: <000b01cc963d$e98523d0$bc8f6b70$@rogers.com>

Try that again

http://tinyurl.com/44c7lvg



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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sat Oct 29 10:01:54 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:01:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Business for sale
Message-ID: <22794.1319904114@mitchelplumbing.com>

	Does that include the Jag E-type?

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From gaf3 at charter.net  Sat Oct 29 16:49:39 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:49:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Business for sale
In-Reply-To: <22794.1319904114@mitchelplumbing.com>
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Message-ID: <4EAC8303.9070109@charter.net>

List
anyone interested in a limited partnership?
Glenn
On 10/29/2011 12:01 PM, Charly wrote:
> 	Does that include the Jag E-type?
>
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>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Oct 29 19:26:46 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:26:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Business for sale
In-Reply-To: <4EAC8303.9070109@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20111029212646.H60Q1.1255094.imail@fed1rmwml44>

It would have too be extremely "limited" for me to participate.

Joe C.

---- Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net> wrote: 
> List
> anyone interested in a limited partnership?
> Glenn
> On 10/29/2011 12:01 PM, Charly wrote:
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> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-30-yr-Parts-collection-TR2-TR3-TR4-TR6-TR7-T
> > [1]
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Mon Oct 31 10:47:19 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:47:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
Message-ID: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>

Hi All

I have torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out cams.
The latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes 
severely worn.

I know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if any 
Zinc Additives are out there.

For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn 30wt break in oil, Valvoline 
Racing oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest in zinc of the diesel oils)

As these engines age their owners are going to start changing their own 
oil, Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
As I understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
I'm running it in my engine as well.

I'm now very concerned and would like to get this under control with an 
additive.

Any Suggestions?
Thanks in Advance
Glenn Franco
Too Many TR's

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon Oct 31 11:54:27 2011
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:54:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402684962@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

I've purchased a RedLine additive, referred to as a "break-in" additive,
which says it has all the ZDDP you could want.  I've been running that
in my street GT6 for a while now, with the Castrol GTX 20w50.  So far,
so good.  Hasn't been that long (a month or so?)

Scott

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Behalf Of Glenn Franco
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 12:47 PM
To: Friends of triumph; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.

Hi All

I have torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out
cams.
The latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes
severely worn.

I know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if any

Zinc Additives are out there.

For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn 30wt break in oil, Valvoline
Racing oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest in zinc of the diesel
oils)

As these engines age their owners are going to start changing their own
oil, Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
As I understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
I'm running it in my engine as well.

I'm now very concerned and would like to get this under control with an
additive.

Any Suggestions?
Thanks in Advance
Glenn Franco
Too Many TR's
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From emanteno at comcast.net  Mon Oct 31 12:49:05 2011
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 14:49:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <00db01cc97fe$38a02b10$a9e08130$@com>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
	<00db01cc97fe$38a02b10$a9e08130$@com>
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On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:52 PM, David Fidler <DJFidler at rogers.com> wrote:

> Glenn, there's a product called ZDDP, which you pour in when you change
> your
> oil. It's available from Moss. Also, a couple of oil companies still
> manufacture oil with high zinc content. Valvoline VR-1 and Kendall GR-1
> (Called Penzoil in the US I think?)
>


The oil from the refinery in Pennsylvania that used to market as Kendall
now sells that oil
as Brad Penn. It is the same green color as the Kendall. It is also claimed
to contain
an adequate amount of ZDDP to protect our flat tappets.

Irv Korey
74 TR6 CF22767U
Highland Park, IL

From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Oct 31 13:25:15 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 15:25:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4EAF042B.8080906@pobox.com>

If I remember the ratings, SJ was the good stuff, which is now 
impossible to find.  SM is the low zinc rating.  There is an 
intermediate SL rating which is available in straight weight oils.  That 
is what I've been using  in my old cars that I run on the street without 
using any zinc additives.  These are fair weather cars anyway, so I 
don't see the need for multi-visc.

On 10/31/2011 12:47 PM, Glenn Franco wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I have torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out 
> cams.
> The latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes 
> severely worn.
>
> I know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if 
> any Zinc Additives are out there.
>
> For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn 30wt break in oil, Valvoline 
> Racing oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest in zinc of the diesel 
> oils)
>
> As these engines age their owners are going to start changing their 
> own oil, Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
> As I understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
> I'm running it in my engine as well.
>
> I'm now very concerned and would like to get this under control with 
> an additive.
>
> Any Suggestions?
> Thanks in Advance
> Glenn Franco
> Too Many TR's
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Oct 31 14:20:31 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:20:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <4EAF042B.8080906@pobox.com>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net> <4EAF042B.8080906@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1110311707190.19297@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

Jumping on what Larry says, I think the last API rating with high zonc was 
SG. If you look around, you can find oil with that rating, but it's not 
going to be sold as automotive-use because I believe the API has an 
agreement to remove various metals (mostly zinc and manganese compounds) 
from automotive motor oil due to various reasons (like catalytic converter 
service life intervals).

That said, and echoing what others have said, the Brad Penn stuff has the 
high levels as do a number of others that are specialty oils. Do not 
assume that because the labelling says "racing" in it that this is any 
indication of the actual content of the bottle. There's a lot of 
"marketing" in automotive motor oils. You either want the SG API rating or 
you want an actual MSDS or other documentation that the oil has >1200 ppm 
of ZDDP.

Regarding the additives, you can get them from various sources including 
the big three and a few of the specialists (like Goodparts to name just 
one). There's ZDDP+ and the RedLine break-in additive to name two that 
I've used.

I've used Castrol GTX since forever and I started loosing cams in about 
1997 when the change to SJ occurred (if memory serves). It was either SJ 
or SL (I do not believe there was an SK, if you want to try to follow that 
logic). In any case, I used up cams in under 100 hours of operation on a 
race motor (12:1 TR6 motor with nothing too fancy in there and lots of 
proper break-in steps taken. But GTX used to be good stuff, now it doesn't 
seem to work the way it used to and I just use it out of habit.

Lots of FOT racers use Brad Penn - that's a pretty good endorsement in my 
book.

:-)

I don't have any data regarding the additives as I only started using them 
recently. I can say that I had ONE cam last 5 or 6 race seasons with zero 
wear / pitting on the cam and lifters, and that cam and lifters were cryo 
treated - that process def. helped in my case.

regards,
rml
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From REK46 at aol.com  Mon Oct 31 14:22:28 2011
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:22:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
Message-ID: <51ab.39dbeb68.3be06b93@aol.com>

You can buy Zddp in 4oz. botles from  
_zddplus at kirbanperformance.com...maybe_ (mailto:zddplus at kirbanperformance.com...maybe)   even find it at some 
other supplier for less ...I did.
 
 
In a message dated 10/31/2011 2:40:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
gaf3 at charter.net writes:

Hi  All

I have torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped  out 
cams.
The latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2  lobes 
severely worn.

I know this has been a topic/thread in the  past but wondered what if any 
Zinc Additives are out there.

For the  rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn 30wt break in oil, Valvoline 
Racing oil  (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest in zinc of the diesel oils)

As  these engines age their owners are going to start changing their own 
oil,  Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
As I understand that formula has  changed to the low zinc for emissions.
I'm running it in my engine as  well.

I'm now very concerned and would like to get this under control  with an 
additive.

Any Suggestions?
Thanks in Advance
Glenn  Franco
Too Many  TR's
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From REK46 at aol.com  Mon Oct 31 14:29:12 2011
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:29:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Zinc Additive.
Message-ID: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com>

Its on ebay also...free ship on 5 to more bottles...or  Google it and 
explore. Let us know if you find a MAX deal
 
 
In a message dated 10/31/2011 4:26:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
emanteno at comcast.net writes:

On Mon,  Oct 31, 2011 at 1:52 PM, David Fidler <DJFidler at rogers.com>  wrote:

> Glenn, there's a product called ZDDP, which you pour in  when you change
> your
> oil. It's available from Moss. Also, a  couple of oil companies still
> manufacture oil with high zinc content.  Valvoline VR-1 and Kendall GR-1
> (Called Penzoil in the US I  think?)
>


The oil from the refinery in Pennsylvania that used  to market as Kendall
now sells that oil
as Brad Penn. It is the same  green color as the Kendall. It is also claimed
to contain
an adequate  amount of ZDDP to protect our flat tappets.

Irv Korey
74 TR6  CF22767U
Highland Park,  IL
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Mon Oct 31 15:51:10 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 18:51:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EAF265E.8000106@charter.net>

Has anyone used the Lucas break in oil additive that contains Zinc or 
the Bardall Zinc Additive?
On a side note has anyone had an experience with the Lucas Oil 
Suppliment/Oil additive that claims to stick to rotating parts.
I pulled the pan on my 71 TR6 just before I sold it and found 1/2-3/4" 
of gell (lucas that is) on the bottom of the pan.
This is what the old STP formula used to do.
Lucas Oil products seem like snake oil to me.
Thanks
Glenn

On 10/31/2011 5:29 PM, REK46 at aol.com wrote:
> Its on ebay also...free ship on 5 to more bottles...or  Google it and
> explore. Let us know if you find a MAX deal
>
>
> In a message dated 10/31/2011 4:26:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> emanteno at comcast.net writes:
>
> On Mon,  Oct 31, 2011 at 1:52 PM, David Fidler<DJFidler at rogers.com>   wrote:
>
>> Glenn, there's a product called ZDDP, which you pour in  when you change
>> your
>> oil. It's available from Moss. Also, a  couple of oil companies still
>> manufacture oil with high zinc content.  Valvoline VR-1 and Kendall GR-1
>> (Called Penzoil in the US I  think?)
>>
>
> The oil from the refinery in Pennsylvania that used  to market as Kendall
> now sells that oil
> as Brad Penn. It is the same  green color as the Kendall. It is also claimed
> to contain
> an adequate  amount of ZDDP to protect our flat tappets.
>
> Irv Korey
> 74 TR6  CF22767U
> Highland Park,  IL
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Oct 31 16:03:34 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:03:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1110311707190.19297@isis.mit.edu>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net> <4EAF042B.8080906@pobox.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1110311707190.19297@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <016a01cc9821$51343360$0501a8c0@randall>

> Jumping on what Larry says, I think the last API rating with 
> high zonc was SG. 

Likely everyone knows this, but JIC : You can't rely on the API rating to
tell you how much zinc the oil has.  The small database I have from roughly
20 years ago shows SG oils with everywhere from 0.10 to 0.20 % zinc.  Oddly
enough, both extremes came from the same company.

And I don't believe the later API specs require reduced zinc, either, at
least not SJ, SL and SM.  The oil companies lowered it on their own (after
being "encouraged" by the EPA).

Also, there are apparently different types of Brad Penn oil, at least one of
which doesn't have high zinc:
http://www.penngrade1.com/Zinc.aspx

-- Randall  

From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 16:35:14 2011
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:35:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
Message-ID: <CA+ZF2X1G3qGosVXDyHPKox-=buPQFFkPGO_OWgAW6U7B_DgPuw@mail.gmail.com>

I just bought some of this but haven't tried it yet -- GM's EOS additive:

http://tinyurl.com/3kss8hn
Duncan

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I have torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out cams.
> The latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes
> severely worn.
>
> I know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if any
> Zinc Additives are out there.
>
> For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn 30wt break in oil, Valvoline
> Racing oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest in zinc of the diesel oils)
>
> As these engines age their owners are going to start changing their own oil,
> Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
> As I understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
> I'm running it in my engine as well.
>
> I'm now very concerned and would like to get this under control with an
> additive.
>
> Any Suggestions?
> Thanks in Advance
> Glenn Franco
> Too Many TR's
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From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net  Mon Oct 31 16:36:18 2011
From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:36:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
Message-ID: <1320104178.23155.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Glenn,

You can usually find Lucas Oil ZDDP additive in most auto parts
stores.  
It's called Break Oil Additive - TB Zink Plus.
It says to use a full
bottle per oil change.
I'm using a half bottle along with Valvoline ZR-1
racing oil.  
So far no problems.

Regards,
Tim
64 Spitfire

 
________________________________
From: Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net>
To:
Friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>; 6pack at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon,
October 31, 2011 10:47:19 AM
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.

Hi All

I have
torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out cams.
The
latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes severely
worn.

I know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if
any Zinc 
Additives are out there.

For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn
30wt break in oil, Valvoline Racing 
oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest
in zinc of the diesel oils)

As these engines age their owners are going to
start changing their own oil, 
Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
As I
understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
I'm running
it in my engine as well.

I'm now very concerned and would like to get this
under control with an 
additive.

Any Suggestions?
Thanks in Advance
Glenn
Franco
Too Many TR's
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From emanteno at comcast.net  Mon Oct 31 16:38:00 2011
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 18:38:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com>
	<013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>
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On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:36 PM, David Fidler <DJFidler at rogers.com> wrote:

> Brad Penn is still sold under the Kendall GR-1 name in Canada, available
> from Crescent Oil in Hamilton, ON.
>


According to the Brad Penn website, the Kendall name was sold to a 3rd
party when the refinery was sold. Because of that, the oil from that
refinery had to be
re-named, and they came up with Brad Penn. Kendall GR-1 may still be
available, but unless they are buying it from the company that
owns Brad Penn, it isn't the same oil that it used to be. NFI

http://www.penngrade1.com/History.aspx

Irv Korey
74 TR6 CF22767U
Highland Park, IL

From klynch_6 at msn.com  Mon Oct 31 18:26:47 2011
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:26:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Engine oil ~
Message-ID: <BLU151-ds2493300C3B41E7BC09DDDB7D70@phx.gbl>

I met our local Schaeffer Oil rep down @ Pikes Peak Raceway this last weekend.
(I admit, I'd never heard of this Midwest outfit)
I looked @ some of his data (1600-2000 ppm Zinc etc.) he was showing & then
the price just about knocked me over. $6-7 a quart isn't too shabby for race
oil. He laughed, he enjoys watching faces when they see they compare price.
(his words, not mine) Admittedly, their main market is over-the-road trucking
companies, but they decided to expand their product line-card in a big way.
In addition to our local pro r-racing teams, it seems Hendricks' Teams, some
Petty teams & various/sundry dirt track teams are using Schaeffer exclusively,
so many of you may know these guys well already.
Low marketing activity seems to equate to low costs.
So FWIW, it just may be worth a peek to some of you?

http://www.schaefferoil.com/supreme-7000-racing-oil.html<http://www.schaeffer
oil.com/supreme-7000-racing-oil.html>

Kev Lynch

From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Oct 31 18:27:06 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:27:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <1320104178.23155.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
	<1320104178.23155.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111101012720.07E56187643@autox.team.net>

Glenn, I know your question is about additives, but why not use 
something like Valvoline VR-1 synthetic?  It's not terribly 
expensive, has lots of ZDDP, shouldn't need an additive.  I do have 
to special order it, they only seem to carry the non-synthetic 
locally.  Less than half the price of Redline or such.

I always figure that the oil company itself can do a better job with 
the additive package than anything added in later.  It's what I use 
in my race motors.

http://www.valvoline.com/products/consumer-products/motor-oil/racing-motor-oil/8

"6.Which oil has more zinc/ZDDP: VR1 or "Not Street Legal" racing oil?

Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil contains .13 percent of zinc and .12 percent 
of phosphorus compared to the Valvoline "Not Street Legal" Racing Oil 
which contains .14 percent of zinc and .13 percent of phosphorus."

Tony Drews
uncle jack's racing

>________________________________
>From: Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net>
>To:
>Friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>; 6pack at autox.team.net
>Sent: Mon,
>October 31, 2011 10:47:19 AM
>Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
>
>Hi All
>
>I have
>torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out cams.
>The
>latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes severely
>worn.
>
>I know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if
>any Zinc
>Additives are out there.
>
>For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn
>30wt break in oil, Valvoline Racing
>oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest
>in zinc of the diesel oils)
>
>As these engines age their owners are going to
>start changing their own oil,
>Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
>As I
>understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
>I'm running
>it in my engine as well.
>
>I'm now very concerned and would like to get this
>under control with an
>additive.
>
>Any Suggestions?
>Thanks in Advance
>Glenn
>Franco
>Too Many TR's
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 19:17:12 2011
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:17:12 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Mille Miglia North America Tribute
Message-ID: <CACWViu-Yj1_-UA+NRRHy+v1X9dawX1Vj6BfcDhb9A7WrTekGMg@mail.gmail.com>

In a startling victory for British sports cars, the team of John Nikas and
Andy Reid in a 1953 Austin Healey 100 swept the inaugural Mille Miglia
North America Tribute finishing first in all seven stages beating a Ferrari
500 TRC, 500 Mondial, 250 Tour de  France, three Boanos (including one
driven by Alan de Cadenet, a 212 Mexico, an Allard, several Alfa Romeos and
other cars. We also took the Particpant's Choice Trophy, Best Driver and
the Spirit of the Mille Award. We also had an FOT sticker on the driver's
door and a VTR grill badge on the car. Gordon Gibbons TR3 finished third
overall as well.

-- 
Very truly yours,

John Nikas
Cape Coventry Racing
www.capecoventryracing.com
(949) 375-6306

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Oct 31 19:46:17 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 22:46:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Mille Miglia North America Tribute
In-Reply-To: <CACWViu-Yj1_-UA+NRRHy+v1X9dawX1Vj6BfcDhb9A7WrTekGMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACWViu-Yj1_-UA+NRRHy+v1X9dawX1Vj6BfcDhb9A7WrTekGMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CE665790418EAC-FD0-11B92F@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com>

 Congratulations  JOHN and ANDY!    This is going to make great copy in THE
CLASSIC MOTORSPORTS MAGAZINE.





-----Original Message-----
From: John Nikas <capecoventryracing at gmail.com>
To: FOT <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 31, 2011 9:31 pm
Subject: [Fot] Mille Miglia North America Tribute


In a startling victory for British sports cars, the team of John Nikas and
Andy Reid in a 1953 Austin Healey 100 swept the inaugural Mille Miglia
North America Tribute finishing first in all seven stages beating a Ferrari
500 TRC, 500 Mondial, 250 Tour de  France, three Boanos (including one
driven by Alan de Cadenet, a 212 Mexico, an Allard, several Alfa Romeos and
other cars. We also took the Particpant's Choice Trophy, Best Driver and
the Spirit of the Mille Award. We also had an FOT sticker on the driver's
door and a VTR grill badge on the car. Gordon Gibbons TR3 finished third
overall as well.

--
Very truly yours,

John Nikas
Cape Coventry Racing
www.capecoventryracing.com
(949) 375-6306
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Oct 31 19:58:17 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:58:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Mille Miglia North America Tribute
References: <CACWViu-Yj1_-UA+NRRHy+v1X9dawX1Vj6BfcDhb9A7WrTekGMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <403C8B0635B54F4F9BD1BF7EAE97FDEE@Bud>

Congratulations John..!
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "FOT" <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 7:17 PM
Subject: [Fot] Mille Miglia North America Tribute


> In a startling victory for British sports cars, the team of John Nikas and
> Andy Reid in a 1953 Austin Healey 100 swept the inaugural Mille Miglia
> North America Tribute finishing first in all seven stages beating a 
> Ferrari
> 500 TRC, 500 Mondial, 250 Tour de  France, three Boanos (including one
> driven by Alan de Cadenet, a 212 Mexico, an Allard, several Alfa Romeos 
> and
> other cars. We also took the Particpant's Choice Trophy, Best Driver and
> the Spirit of the Mille Award. We also had an FOT sticker on the driver's
> door and a VTR grill badge on the car. Gordon Gibbons TR3 finished third
> overall as well.
>
> -- 
> Very truly yours,
>
> John Nikas
> Cape Coventry Racing
> www.capecoventryracing.com
> (949) 375-6306
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Mon Oct 31 20:01:51 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:01:51 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b3RAK55gKjtpGE3=uuWNgvsd9sVm=HegHUj0YzbVFcKcg@mail.gmail.com>

i have been using quite ordinary oils in my race 2500/TR6 engines for
almost 30 years and never had an oil related failure, eg cam lobes worn off

in recent years i have used off-shelf Mobil 1 (not the racing version). The
current version is called 15-50. See this table to check out its zinc &
phosphorous levels.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf

In my engine machine shop business we have seen this occur with flat tappet
V8 engines, especially old Ford side-valve ones and more recently Chevs,
but usually owners have filled them with very modern oils.

The "tappet" problem that people refer to is not restricted to old engines.
nearly every modern engine has a tappet (now days called a cam bucket), but
most modern OHC engines have very soft cam profiles and very large diameter
tappets. none-the-less, the oil shear problems can still occur .

.Terry

From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Oct 31 20:58:06 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:58:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
References: <CA+UW8b3RAK55gKjtpGE3=uuWNgvsd9sVm=HegHUj0YzbVFcKcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <798D684E3A194181A0236F3447128CD9@Bud>

I use Mobil 1 15-50.synthetic off the shelf oil..It was recommended to me a 
few years ago by a friend who operates a race shop...
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Zinc Additive.


>i have been using quite ordinary oils in my race 2500/TR6 engines for
> almost 30 years and never had an oil related failure, eg cam lobes worn 
> off
>
> in recent years i have used off-shelf Mobil 1 (not the racing version). 
> The
> current version is called 15-50. See this table to check out its zinc &
> phosphorous levels.
> http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf
>
> In my engine machine shop business we have seen this occur with flat 
> tappet
> V8 engines, especially old Ford side-valve ones and more recently Chevs,
> but usually owners have filled them with very modern oils.
>
> The "tappet" problem that people refer to is not restricted to old 
> engines.
> nearly every modern engine has a tappet (now days called a cam bucket), 
> but
> most modern OHC engines have very soft cam profiles and very large 
> diameter
> tappets. none-the-less, the oil shear problems can still occur .
>
> .Terry
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From gp89 at charter.net  Sat Oct  1 05:48:41 2011
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 07:48:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for membership
Message-ID: <41b01a64.c9286.132bf50920c.Webtop.45@charter.net>

    Glade was the devil that sold me a gt6, my first race car. Always 
fun to pit with him and his gorgeous daughter Chantel. Welcome to the 
Fot Glade. Great video of Glade waving at a spec Miada after he get 
pushed off at Road America.

  Jeff Senty



On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:

> Greetings Friends,
> An "old school" Triumph guy from Midwestern Council approached me with 
> a
> slew of questions about how one becomes a member of our "esteemed" 
> group.
> He had tried to get on certain parts of the web site with no luck.
> For some time he has wondered about how to be a part of FOT.
>
> I teased him last week and had him going for a while..."Oh, its very
> exclusive, I'm not sure your qualified.., There's paperwork, a long 
> process
> of initiation, evaluation, etc"...
> He said he had heard that from some other guys a while back and for a 
> long
> time just assumed it would remain a mysterious desire.
>
> I chuckled and told him "I'd see what I could do"... which is funny 
> because
> I remember watching him race when I was just a dirty kid at the track
> playing with matchbox cars in the dirt.
>
> So, I would like to nominate Glade Snodgrass to be part of our group.
> He has been racing Triumphs consistently since the mid-1970s
> Production class championships back in the day, many, many race wins 
> in 4
> decades. His Triumph resume is a mile long.
> A genuine character that has overcome many hurdles and also 
> experienced many
> defeats in these cars.
> I like and admire Glade for his ability to make his cars go very fast 
> on a
> tight budget.
> In a racing world of often extreme spending, It is easy to envy the 
> excess.
> Glades approach is also worthy of envy and somewhat refreshing.
> He would be a good addition to our group.
>
> His contact...Glade Snodgrass:
> 4everglades at comcast.net
>
> Thank You,
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing
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From tr4.tony at virgin.net  Sat Oct  1 07:41:04 2011
From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 14:41:04 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for membership
In-Reply-To: <41b01a64.c9286.132bf50920c.Webtop.45@charter.net>
References: <41b01a64.c9286.132bf50920c.Webtop.45@charter.net>
Message-ID: <CDC4B0EB-4810-4945-82F7-96BC222282BA@virgin.net>

Welcome Glade

Anyone that sells a race car to someone who would still buy them a beer has to
be a good guy !

Best regards

Tony

Sent from my iPhone

On 1 Oct 2011, at 12:48, Jeff Senty <gp89 at charter.net> wrote:

>   Glade was the devil that sold me a gt6, my first race car. Always fun to
pit with him and his gorgeous daughter Chantel. Welcome to the Fot Glade.
Great video of Glade waving at a spec Miada after he get pushed off at Road
America.
>
> Jeff Senty
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
>
>> Greetings Friends,
>> An "old school" Triumph guy from Midwestern Council approached me with a
>> slew of questions about how one becomes a member of our "esteemed" group.
>> He had tried to get on certain parts of the web site with no luck.
>> For some time he has wondered about how to be a part of FOT.
>>
>> I teased him last week and had him going for a while..."Oh, its very
>> exclusive, I'm not sure your qualified.., There's paperwork, a long
process
>> of initiation, evaluation, etc"...
>> He said he had heard that from some other guys a while back and for a long
>> time just assumed it would remain a mysterious desire.
>>
>> I chuckled and told him "I'd see what I could do"... which is funny
because
>> I remember watching him race when I was just a dirty kid at the track
>> playing with matchbox cars in the dirt.
>>
>> So, I would like to nominate Glade Snodgrass to be part of our group.
>> He has been racing Triumphs consistently since the mid-1970s
>> Production class championships back in the day, many, many race wins in 4
>> decades. His Triumph resume is a mile long.
>> A genuine character that has overcome many hurdles and also experienced
many
>> defeats in these cars.
>> I like and admire Glade for his ability to make his cars go very fast on a
>> tight budget.
>> In a racing world of often extreme spending, It is easy to envy the
excess.
>> Glades approach is also worthy of envy and somewhat refreshing.
>> He would be a good addition to our group.
>>
>> His contact...Glade Snodgrass:
>> 4everglades at comcast.net
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Jason Ostrowski
>> Friendly Ghost Racing
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Sat Oct  1 20:58:58 2011
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 22:58:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for membership
In-Reply-To: <CDC4B0EB-4810-4945-82F7-96BC222282BA@virgin.net>
References: <41b01a64.c9286.132bf50920c.Webtop.45@charter.net>
	<CDC4B0EB-4810-4945-82F7-96BC222282BA@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <000e01cc80af$3b7e0b10$b27a2130$@net>

Or needs lots of help!

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of TR4 Tony
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 9:41 AM
To: Jeff Senty
Cc: triumph friends
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for membership

Welcome Glade

Anyone that sells a race car to someone who would still buy them a beer has
to
be a good guy !

Best regards

Tony

Sent from my iPhone

On 1 Oct 2011, at 12:48, Jeff Senty <gp89 at charter.net> wrote:

>   Glade was the devil that sold me a gt6, my first race car. Always fun to
pit with him and his gorgeous daughter Chantel. Welcome to the Fot Glade.
Great video of Glade waving at a spec Miada after he get pushed off at Road
America.
>
> Jeff Senty
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
>
>> Greetings Friends,
>> An "old school" Triumph guy from Midwestern Council approached me with a
>> slew of questions about how one becomes a member of our "esteemed" group.
>> He had tried to get on certain parts of the web site with no luck.
>> For some time he has wondered about how to be a part of FOT.
>>
>> I teased him last week and had him going for a while..."Oh, its very
>> exclusive, I'm not sure your qualified.., There's paperwork, a long
process
>> of initiation, evaluation, etc"...
>> He said he had heard that from some other guys a while back and for a
long
>> time just assumed it would remain a mysterious desire.
>>
>> I chuckled and told him "I'd see what I could do"... which is funny
because
>> I remember watching him race when I was just a dirty kid at the track
>> playing with matchbox cars in the dirt.
>>
>> So, I would like to nominate Glade Snodgrass to be part of our group.
>> He has been racing Triumphs consistently since the mid-1970s
>> Production class championships back in the day, many, many race wins in 4
>> decades. His Triumph resume is a mile long.
>> A genuine character that has overcome many hurdles and also experienced
many
>> defeats in these cars.
>> I like and admire Glade for his ability to make his cars go very fast on
a
>> tight budget.
>> In a racing world of often extreme spending, It is easy to envy the
excess.
>> Glades approach is also worthy of envy and somewhat refreshing.
>> He would be a good addition to our group.
>>
>> His contact...Glade Snodgrass:
>> 4everglades at comcast.net
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Jason Ostrowski
>> Friendly Ghost Racing
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sun Oct  2 10:22:04 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:22:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] race
Message-ID: <95538E85F76B4E4A8908C581B95C9566@owner8914bbf7f>

Hi, is anyone planning on doing the VRG race at Watkins Glen in two weeks?
I'm watching the long range weather forecast to see what the weather might
bring.
Bill


From mjb at autox.team.net  Sun Oct  2 11:56:35 2011
From: mjb at autox.team.net (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Sun,  2 Oct 2011 11:56:35 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Fot] List issues
Message-ID: <20111002175636.0053F187682@autox.team.net>

Not only is the Team.Net server taking a loooong time to get
list messages processed, the archives [ link below ] are not
getting updated properly.

In truth the messages are getting processed and put in the right
place, but for some reason the top level archive page is not showing
the updates.

And of course the mailman interface is having problems, giving
errors on various functions.

Something odd is going on, I'm looking into it.  I *really* need
to get the new server up and running!


mjb.


11:55


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sun Oct  2 16:03:37 2011
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 18:03:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] List issues
In-Reply-To: <20111002175636.0053F187682@autox.team.net>
References: <20111002175636.0053F187682@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4E88DFB9.3010806@blacksburg.net>

On 10/2/2011 1:56 PM, Mark J. Bradakis wrote:
> Not only is the Team.Net server taking a loooong time to get
> list messages processed, the archives [ link below ] are not
> getting updated properly.
>
> In truth the messages are getting processed and put in the right
> place, but for some reason the top level archive page is not showing
> the updates.
>
> And of course the mailman interface is having problems, giving
> errors on various functions.
>
> Something odd is going on, I'm looking into it.  I *really* need
> to get the new server up and running!
>
>
> mjb.
>
>    
Tnx, Mark, for all you do to keep the electrons flowing.

Memo to self: it's time to hit the Donate link again.


-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Sun Oct  2 16:19:19 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 18:19:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] race
In-Reply-To: <95538E85F76B4E4A8908C581B95C9566@owner8914bbf7f>
References: <95538E85F76B4E4A8908C581B95C9566@owner8914bbf7f>
Message-ID: <5BC0BBD4-0849-4318-BB83-4936E64A1F7F@aol.com>

My wife and I are planning on being there. Not racing but I will have FOT
swag.

Chris

Sent from my IPhone


On Oct 2, 2011, at 12:22 PM, "william r tobin" <william.tobin31 at verizon.net>
wrote:

> Hi, is anyone planning on doing the VRG race at Watkins Glen in two weeks?
> I'm watching the long range weather forecast to see what the weather might
> bring.
> Bill
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Oct  3 08:21:00 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:21:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for membership
In-Reply-To: <CALCydYoszffKzng9vwZ8W3mJVJgm=DqTCWFKh97S0kjJ2X1AYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7F85D8D25BC34B4D8BC25FEE75F7FDA6@gdhs.local>

Gosh, Jason, you didn't give him the secret hand shake did you?

John H. Hasty
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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 3:00 PM
To: triumph friends
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for membership


Greetings Friends,
An "old school" Triumph guy from Midwestern Council approached me with a
slew of questions about how one becomes a member of our "esteemed" group. He
had tried to get on certain parts of the web site with no luck. For some
time he has wondered about how to be a part of FOT.

I teased him last week and had him going for a while..."Oh, its very
exclusive, I'm not sure your qualified.., There's paperwork, a long process
of initiation, evaluation, etc"... He said he had heard that from some other
guys a while back and for a long time just assumed it would remain a
mysterious desire.

I chuckled and told him "I'd see what I could do"... which is funny because
I remember watching him race when I was just a dirty kid at the track
playing with matchbox cars in the dirt.

So, I would like to nominate Glade Snodgrass to be part of our group. He has
been racing Triumphs consistently since the mid-1970s Production class
championships back in the day, many, many race wins in 4 decades. His
Triumph resume is a mile long. A genuine character that has overcome many
hurdles and also experienced many defeats in these cars. I like and admire
Glade for his ability to make his cars go very fast on a tight budget. In a
racing world of often extreme spending, It is easy to envy the excess.
Glades approach is also worthy of envy and somewhat refreshing. He would be
a good addition to our group.

His contact...Glade Snodgrass:
4everglades at comcast.net

Thank You,
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing _______________________________________________
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Oct  3 08:56:30 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 07:56:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS rear axles
References: <CAExoegkzyrgq6V0LVBrFEPMmzZb09ZesFuBkfOqq2JJ0_5gi5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E2D63E7CAA42404989E44DADB5BC578D@Charly>

I think we need to make some clarification here on the terminology for the 
rear end.  On an IRS car first we have the inner axel  stub which attaches 
to the differential, then we have the half shafts commonly called the axels 
or drive axels, then there are the outer axel stubs or stub axels which have 
the bearings on them which ride in the carrier which has also been called 
the rear hub housing, then we have the hub or drive flange which is the 
piece the wheel bolts on to.
I've included a couple of links to illustrations of these assemblies to help 
identify the parts.

http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=36487
http://gar.zeni.net/trf/TR6bluebook/T6-V1-Drivetrain-Chassis.pdf

Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Vaden" <markvaden at gmail.com>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 10:54 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS rear axles


> Hi All,
>
> I am making some progress on my "new" TR4A race car, and I was wondering
> about axels and hubs. On my TR4 solid axle it was an important safety 
> issue
> to have the axles uprated (southwick conversion). As far as safety, On the
> IRS cars, is it enough to just get new hubs, or does the list recommend 
> new
> axles as well?
>
> Thank in advance,
> Mark
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Oct  3 09:17:14 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 11:17:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] CHRIS MARX VITON SEAL-ORDERS
Message-ID: <8CE4FF6A9E8A132-2EF0-5EF41@webmail-m030.sysops.aol.com>

I am a distribution point for the MARX VITON SEALS.

 I am in the process of asking Chris for more seals.

No margin in the seals as we are trying keep the cost low in face of low
volume runs with dedicated tooling.

So I am trying to keep my inventory low..

I have orders for four seals now, so ten does not seem like enough.

Please let me know if you are going to be ordering.

I might raise the request for seals to 15.

I need old scrolls for modification, too.

The demand is such that I may manufacture from billet stock. The cost of the
kit will go up, but I spend a lot of time soliciting for old scrolls and
preparing them.

Thanks for supporting this project to improve our Triumphs.  Remember, no
crank mods are needed.

Joe


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Oct  3 10:22:07 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 18:22:07 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <5BC0BBD4-0849-4318-BB83-4936E64A1F7F@aol.com>
References: <95538E85F76B4E4A8908C581B95C9566@owner8914bbf7f>
	<5BC0BBD4-0849-4318-BB83-4936E64A1F7F@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301cc81e8$9a2d0820$ce871860$@com>

I would say, that was one of the hardest races I ever had.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR_jGQrAGiQ

The green TR4 was greatly driven by Philippe Vermast.

Cheers
Chris


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Oct  3 13:18:47 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 21:18:47 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
References: <95538E85F76B4E4A8908C581B95C9566@owner8914bbf7f>
	<5BC0BBD4-0849-4318-BB83-4936E64A1F7F@aol.com> 
Message-ID: <002201cc8201$49af5fb0$dd0e1f10$@com>

And a different car view:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILkS5OfJldQ

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 18:22
An: '<fot at autox.team.net>'
Betreff: Dijon race of Triumph Competition

I would say, that was one of the hardest races I ever had.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR_jGQrAGiQ

The green TR4 was greatly driven by Philippe Vermast.

Cheers
Chris


From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Mon Oct  3 13:59:57 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:59:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gold cup
Message-ID: <op.v2skh7b8airs7i@don-pc.belkin>

Is anyone going to Gold Cup at VIR in early November?  Don

--


From jfrymark at aol.com  Mon Oct  3 14:36:05 2011
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 13:36:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot]  Dijon race of Triumph Competition
Message-ID: <8CDEE0E1-8B89-4F4C-962A-F6508B5C1674@aol.com>

Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing!

Great race, Chris!

John Frymark


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Oct  3 14:44:35 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 22:44:35 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <8CDEE0E1-8B89-4F4C-962A-F6508B5C1674@aol.com>
References: <8CDEE0E1-8B89-4F4C-962A-F6508B5C1674@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002e01cc820d$45819e10$d084da30$@com>

Sure!
How else you can make a way through a close grid.
Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-)

Thanks John!


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Frymark [mailto:jfrymark at aol.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing!

Great race, Chris!

John Frymark


From rikrock at live.com  Mon Oct  3 16:11:39 2011
From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 18:11:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] race
Message-ID: <snt0-eas4185815AB26347C4B76B208C6FA0@phx.gbl>

I'll be there crewing for Dave Miller (TR-4).

Rich Rock

-----Original Message-----
From: christopher bock
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 6:19 PM
To: william r tobin
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] race

My wife and I are planning on being there. Not racing but I will have FOT
swag.

Chris

Sent from my IPhone


On Oct 2, 2011, at 12:22 PM, "william r tobin" <william.tobin31 at verizon.net>
wrote:

> Hi, is anyone planning on doing the VRG race at Watkins Glen in two weeks?
> I'm watching the long range weather forecast to see what the weather might
> bring.
> Bill
> _______________________________________________
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Oct  3 16:41:01 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 15:41:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <002e01cc820d$45819e10$d084da30$@com>
References: <8CDEE0E1-8B89-4F4C-962A-F6508B5C1674@aol.com>
	<002e01cc820d$45819e10$d084da30$@com>
Message-ID: <0F0DC03D172C4FF0AA3B0CC6469848B4@Vista>

Maybe one with the "Dixie" melody ala General Lee!  :)

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:45 PM
To: 'John Frymark'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Sure!
How else you can make a way through a close grid.
Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-)

Thanks John!


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
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Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing!

Great race, Chris!

John Frymark
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From igofaster at att.net  Mon Oct  3 16:42:16 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 15:42:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] 7 " headlight stone guards?
Message-ID: <1317681736.47678.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Looking to convert a headlight bucket ( 7 " ) into a fresh air duct for my GT6 
for the carb's.... I've got the bucket that tapers down to a 4" flex hose, need 
a stone or mesh guard shaped like a 7" headlight... 

too bad, I love the look of the LUCAS decals on the metal spun buckets in the 
headlight spot but the consensus I've concluded by a lot of guys smarter than me 
is our cars need a lot of cool fresh air to the carbs.... 


Some call these stone guards? I call it a mesh or screen air filter...

Difficult locating these in the usual sources...

Joe?
Ted?
FoT?


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Oct  3 16:43:50 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 00:43:50 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <0F0DC03D172C4FF0AA3B0CC6469848B4@Vista>
References: <8CDEE0E1-8B89-4F4C-962A-F6508B5C1674@aol.com>
	<002e01cc820d$45819e10$d084da30$@com>
	<0F0DC03D172C4FF0AA3B0CC6469848B4@Vista>
Message-ID: <004c01cc821d$eca76e80$c5f64b80$@com>

In a few minutes this is watchable:

Race 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HatqiYAvI7Q

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2011 00:41
An: 'MadMarx'; 'John Frymark'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Maybe one with the "Dixie" melody ala General Lee!  :)

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:45 PM
To: 'John Frymark'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Sure!
How else you can make a way through a close grid.
Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-)

Thanks John!


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Frymark [mailto:jfrymark at aol.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing!

Great race, Chris!

John Frymark
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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Mon Oct  3 17:25:25 2011
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:25:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] transportation services needed
Message-ID: <000001cc8223$bb0f2560$312d7020$@hot-tr6.com>

I bought a removable hardtop assembly (fiberglass) for my Cobra replica car
which I use as a daily driver. This hardtop is located in the Dallas area
and I need it moved to Albuquerque, New Mexico. 

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Walt Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Oct  3 17:53:11 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:53:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Unservicable TR4A grill wanted
Message-ID: <20111003235759.B1786187667@autox.team.net>

Hey FoT,

I'm looking for a non-servicable 4A grill. You may wonder why.

I need a few horizontal bars to infill the area's where my turn signals

and crank hole are currently located. 

If you have one that can be sacrificed let me know.

 

jim g


From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Oct  3 19:26:32 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 20:26:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 7 " headlight stone guards?
In-Reply-To: <1317681736.47678.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1317681736.47678.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CALCydYpjyBPb2Z-sKpzhNr2GmoJVaa1xaM52xhvYg3VgUYHjLA@mail.gmail.com>

Bobby, In my opinion, no reason to buy expensive mesh guards which you can
buy from Pegasus and cut them to size. I'll make you ones like I have for
free (just pay me shipping). Its just aluminum window screen. I paint mine
blue. And they are period correct for about 1971.

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net> wrote:

> Looking to convert a headlight bucket ( 7 " ) into a fresh air duct for my
> GT6
> for the carb's.... I've got the bucket that tapers down to a 4" flex hose,
> need
> a stone or mesh guard shaped like a 7" headlight...
>
> too bad, I love the look of the LUCAS decals on the metal spun buckets in
> the
> headlight spot but the consensus I've concluded by a lot of guys smarter
> than me
> is our cars need a lot of cool fresh air to the carbs....
>
>
> Some call these stone guards? I call it a mesh or screen air filter...
>
> Difficult locating these in the usual sources...
>
> Joe?
> Ted?
> FoT?
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From stlnyc at msn.com  Mon Oct  3 19:40:24 2011
From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 19:40:24 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Opinions
In-Reply-To: <8FB73F358B91FE42A41727280DFD98FA504D389316@STLEXVN01P.centene.com>
References: <SNT125-W19559920285E4590C1D339DA0E0@phx.gbl>,
	<8FB73F358B91FE42A41727280DFD98FA504D389316@STLEXVN01P.centene.com>
Message-ID: <SNT125-W53332C36D0D2CBDA2A3D60DAFB0@phx.gbl>

Amici-

Thanks to those that responded.  I ran the tires over the weekend at the RMVR
enduro at HPR.  On Saturday during practice/qualifying & the sprint races, the
worked quite well.  I started with 24F/25R & bled them back to that as they
grew.  After the initial warm-up, they didn't increase more than 1 or 2 lbs.
(initial was 5 lbs.)  They had good grip & were quite predictable.  The enduro
was 1 hr. 45 min. w/2 mandatory 10 min. stops.  I worked them past their happy
spot but; though slippery, they remained predictable.  Great sound effects &
impressive slides/drifts but no-so-good lap times.  Definitely good for short
races.

Fred Hodgson


> From: JWILEY at CENTENE.COM
> To: stlnyc at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 08:19:25 -0500
> Subject: RE: [Fot] Opinions
>
> I am running around 25 lbs cold
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Fred & Mary Hodgson
> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 6:34 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Opinions
>
> Amici-
>
> Has anyone used Dunlop Direzzas on a race car? If so, how'd they work &
what
> pressures were you running? I'm running a '62 TR4.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Fred Hodgson
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Mon Oct  3 22:55:12 2011
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 23:55:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hallett Vintage Races
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1823.1317692443.19533.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1823.1317692443.19533.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <CE577180-9D33-4A38-BAD1-8F9A22A7B6AA@aol.com>

Is anyone going to the vintage races @ Hallett this weekend?  Larry Young and
I plan on attending.  Larry will be driving his new "sportscar".

Sam
Green Country Triumphs
Tulsa, OK


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Tue Oct  4 06:27:37 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 12:27:37 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 7 " headlight stone guards?
In-Reply-To: <1317681736.47678.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1317681736.47678.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F03626B@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

Bobby,

I don't think that will be legal in CVAR.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Bobby Whitehead
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 5:42 PM
To: FoT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] 7 " headlight stone guards?

Looking to convert a headlight bucket ( 7 " ) into a fresh air duct for my GT6
for the carb's.... I've got the bucket that tapers down to a 4" flex hose,
need a stone or mesh guard shaped like a 7" headlight...

too bad, I love the look of the LUCAS decals on the metal spun buckets in the
headlight spot but the consensus I've concluded by a lot of guys smarter than
me is our cars need a lot of cool fresh air to the carbs....


Some call these stone guards? I call it a mesh or screen air filter...

Difficult locating these in the usual sources...

Joe?
Ted?
FoT?
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From jsnook at wcnet.org  Tue Oct  4 07:11:44 2011
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:11:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gold Cup
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1823.1317692443.19533.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1823.1317692443.19533.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <004a01cc8297$2a982b70$7fc88250$@org>

I'll be there with my TR3A.

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
419-344-0319 (Mobile)


From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Tue Oct  4 08:28:38 2011
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:28:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Stuff that needs a home.. a FOT home!!
Message-ID: <C22F4A3F0AA3EA488D30A42FC8A4817639B2264728@DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local>

Members,

Here's a list of parts that need a home with a FOT Member, all offers
considered, but let's be realistic etc.

Part                              Numbers that are cast into it somewhere on
the part

Intake Manifold             307265  V2989   A 1147 aluminum intake I think??
Koni Shocks                 80-1005  TR at -3 from what I can find out, new with
no rubber mounts though
Trans Overdrive Unit      25/633301    015107     6  875  Laycock Tag info
Missing some stuff but mostly there
Cannon Dual Intake       806  or 908 depends which way you hold it. Looks to
be an 1300/1500 dual Webber but I don't know.
Crankshaft                    WDB  W2156  308737   17746N  JOSB   Supposedly a
new never run crank that has been hard chromed Mains are 2.3" and rods are
1.88"
Transmission                 88306468   V3038          10 spline 1.15" Shaft
at the splines. Has aluminum bell housing with the slave @ 2 o clock and
starter on passenger side
Transmission                 88306468  V3038           10 spline 0.90" Shaft
has aluminum bell housing with slave at 9 o clock and starter on left side
Block                            311255 (between freeze plugs) FK5785HE, mains
are 2.44" recessed cylinder bores
Block                            307553 (between freeze plugs), Been decked so
no deck surface number, mains are 2.44" and the bore is 2.94"
Head                            6 Port N61 by lifter area, T27, 304955
Head                            8 port with D shaped exhaust outlet, 367871,
56
Head                            8 port with round exhaust port outlet, RKO,
27B6, 0589
Crane Camshaft            F-244 210-8, BN3437
Flywheel                       Aluminum with replaceable friction area steel
insert, 50-522 Seems to match my Spitfire one.
Pistons                         17753B
Carrillo rods                  Big end 2.0", small end 0.810, center to center
is 6.0"
Cam bearings                1-363, CSB612, 730883M, 84-25-970  MG I think
Push rods                     New chrome moly 6.0" length???


Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax

www.dieselperformanceparts.com


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Tue Oct  4 08:38:02 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:38:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gold Cup
In-Reply-To: <004a01cc8297$2a982b70$7fc88250$@org>
References: <mailman.1823.1317692443.19533.fot@autox.team.net>
	<004a01cc8297$2a982b70$7fc88250$@org>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9NihS2HObhaXZyiepoWca7Vjn85j19_ReO+ud1rBf0T9w@mail.gmail.com>

Good there may be five or six of  us....should be a good event...VIR usually
is

rob deanes

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Jeff Snook <jsnook at wcnet.org> wrote:

> I'll be there with my TR3A.
>
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
> 419-344-0319 (Mobile)
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-- 
rob deanes
TR Racer


From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Oct  4 09:37:52 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:37:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need car transported - Albuquerque to Dayton, OH
Message-ID: <4E8B2850.9000704@pobox.com>

If anyone would can help out, let me know off list.

Larry


From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Oct  4 09:40:56 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:40:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hallett Vintage Races
In-Reply-To: <CE577180-9D33-4A38-BAD1-8F9A22A7B6AA@aol.com>
References: <mailman.1823.1317692443.19533.fot@autox.team.net>
	<CE577180-9D33-4A38-BAD1-8F9A22A7B6AA@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4E8B2908.4030600@pobox.com>

I saw that Gary Fuqua and Bobby Whitehead have carports, so I assume 
they will be there. Yeah, I'm driving out in my Poor Man's Bugatti 
(http://mtfctulsa.com/ABC_Bodies).

On 10/3/2011 11:55 PM, Sam Clark wrote:
> Is anyone going to the vintage races @ Hallett this weekend?  Larry Young and
> I plan on attending.  Larry will be driving his new "sportscar".
>
> Sam
> Green Country Triumphs
> Tulsa, OK
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Oct  4 10:55:20 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 18:55:20 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <0F0DC03D172C4FF0AA3B0CC6469848B4@Vista>
References: <8CDEE0E1-8B89-4F4C-962A-F6508B5C1674@aol.com>
	<002e01cc820d$45819e10$d084da30$@com>
	<0F0DC03D172C4FF0AA3B0CC6469848B4@Vista>
Message-ID: <003201cc82b6$67c31a40$37494ec0$@com>

I would like to add race 2, with a little accident at corner one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udoqP6PPPKU


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2011 00:41
An: 'MadMarx'; 'John Frymark'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Maybe one with the "Dixie" melody ala General Lee!  :)

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:45 PM
To: 'John Frymark'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Sure!
How else you can make a way through a close grid.
Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-)

Thanks John!


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Frymark [mailto:jfrymark at aol.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing!

Great race, Chris!

John Frymark
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Tue Oct  4 12:07:05 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 18:07:05 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Hallett Vintage Races
In-Reply-To: <4E8B2908.4030600@pobox.com>
References: <mailman.1823.1317692443.19533.fot@autox.team.net>
	<CE577180-9D33-4A38-BAD1-8F9A22A7B6AA@aol.com>
	<4E8B2908.4030600@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F03696E@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

You know the length of tow having done it to TWS so many times. A Hallett
weekend is now over a grand without wear and tear and we now have the Eagles
Canyon weekend for a break from TWS, and it's a lot closer. I'll make it back
there soon. Maybe next year will be better financially.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Larry Young
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:41 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett Vintage Races

I saw that Gary Fuqua and Bobby Whitehead have carports, so I assume they will
be there. Yeah, I'm driving out in my Poor Man's Bugatti
(http://mtfctulsa.com/ABC_Bodies).

On 10/3/2011 11:55 PM, Sam Clark wrote:
> Is anyone going to the vintage races @ Hallett this weekend?  Larry
> Young and I plan on attending.  Larry will be driving his new "sportscar".
>
> Sam
> Green Country Triumphs
> Tulsa, OK
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Oct  4 12:15:39 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 13:15:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS rear axles
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W40332C555F1D5A0BA65AC7DFF70@phx.gbl>
References: <CAExoegkzyrgq6V0LVBrFEPMmzZb09ZesFuBkfOqq2JJ0_5gi5Q@mail.gmail.com>,
	<16741771F6444D589F265D7E56253EBE@owner8914bbf7f>
	<SNT120-W40332C555F1D5A0BA65AC7DFF70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4E8B4D4B.8090309@pobox.com>

Maybe they were on to you due to prior history??

On 9/30/2011 6:15 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:
> Just for once it was straight with no hidden agendas. Oh well.


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Tue Oct  4 12:16:09 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 18:16:09 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Need car transported - Albuquerque to Dayton, OH
In-Reply-To: <4E8B2850.9000704@pobox.com>
References: <4E8B2850.9000704@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F0369AB@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

Is Tom on the move?

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Larry Young
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:38 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Need car transported - Albuquerque to Dayton, OH

If anyone would can help out, let me know off list.

Larry
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Tue Oct  4 14:32:24 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:32:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <003201cc82b6$67c31a40$37494ec0$@com>
References: <8CDEE0E1-8B89-4F4C-962A-F6508B5C1674@aol.com>
	<002e01cc820d$45819e10$d084da30$@com>
	<0F0DC03D172C4FF0AA3B0CC6469848B4@Vista>
	<003201cc82b6$67c31a40$37494ec0$@com>
Message-ID: <14C59CD5-006E-4513-A3C6-18299A490482@aol.com>

WOW.  i hope everyone was ok.  Kind of tough to see exactly what happened in
your rear view.


On Oct 4, 2011, at 12:55 PM, MadMarx wrote:

> I would like to add race 2, with a little accident at corner one.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udoqP6PPPKU
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2011 00:41
> An: 'MadMarx'; 'John Frymark'
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: RE: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
>
> Maybe one with the "Dixie" melody ala General Lee!  :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of MadMarx
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:45 PM
> To: 'John Frymark'
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
>
> Sure!
> How else you can make a way through a close grid.
> Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-)
>
> Thanks John!
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: John Frymark [mailto:jfrymark at aol.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36
> An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
>
> Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing!
>
> Great race, Chris!
>
> John Frymark
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Oct  4 14:40:44 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 20:40:44 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
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	<002e01cc820d$45819e10$d084da30$@com>
	<0F0DC03D172C4FF0AA3B0CC6469848B4@Vista>
	<003201cc82b6$67c31a40$37494ec0$@com>
	<14C59CD5-006E-4513-A3C6-18299A490482@aol.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.49.1638251573.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

Damage report:
- Monza sprite smashed at rear and front.
- gray TR4 flat at the front to the wheels
- Spitfire front slightly bended
- my TR's right door damaged

All drivers are okay.

Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone

-----Original Message-----
From: christopher bock <SeaCubeCo at aol.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:32:24 
To: MadMarx<tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

WOW.  i hope everyone was ok.  Kind of tough to see exactly what happened in your rear view.


On Oct 4, 2011, at 12:55 PM, MadMarx wrote:

> I would like to add race 2, with a little accident at corner one.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udoqP6PPPKU
> 
> 
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2011 00:41
> An: 'MadMarx'; 'John Frymark'
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: RE: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
> 
> Maybe one with the "Dixie" melody ala General Lee!  :)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of MadMarx
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:45 PM
> To: 'John Frymark'
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
> 
> Sure!
> How else you can make a way through a close grid.
> Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-)
> 
> Thanks John!
> 
> 
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: John Frymark [mailto:jfrymark at aol.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36
> An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
> 
> Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing!
> 
> Great race, Chris!
> 
> John Frymark
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue Oct  4 15:52:34 2011
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 22:52:34 +0100
Subject: [Fot] End of his first season as a pro
Message-ID: <6B44E790A14A4501BFC4DF8CB49F8480@homekeith>

Dear All,

 

Thought I would get a few bragging rights in...

 

My son Josh has just finished his first season as a professional driver and
has more than exceeded expectations; he has finished 7th overall in the
championship (out of 29 drivers), is the top placed rookie, has multiple top
10 finishes, 2 podiums (a 2nd and a 3rd) and numerous fastest laps; what a
great year for him.

 

He has 3 teams chasing his signature for 2012 and, and this is a good one,
has Dennis Rushen wanting to manage him; Dennis used to manage a certain
Ayrton Senna in his F3 days...

 

On top of his saloon car exploits he has also won in his TR6, taken so many
podiums and lap records and did pretty well at the Eifel Classic on the
Nurburgring Nordschleife starting 40th on the grid to go to 1st by the end
of the 1st lap and from 140th to 22nd overall by the end of his 60 minute
stint. We eventually came 2nd behind Mario who was the deserved European
Kastner Cup winner.

 

As I said at the beginning, bragging rights :-)

 

Cheers, 

 

Keith.


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue Oct  4 17:05:02 2011
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 23:05:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <20111004224123.82875187895@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <908370088.209114.1317769502619.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Heck, at every drivers meeting I've been told that vintage racing is a non-contact sport! 

Gary 

----- Original Message -----
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com 
To: "christopher bock" <SeaCubeCo at aol.com> 
Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 1:40:44 PM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 

Damage report: 
- Monza sprite smashed at rear and front. 
- gray TR4 flat at the front to the wheels 
- Spitfire front slightly bended 
- my TR's right door damaged 

All drivers are okay. 

Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone 

-----Original Message----- 
From: christopher bock <SeaCubeCo at aol.com> 
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:32:24 
To: MadMarx<tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 

WOW. i hope everyone was ok. Kind of tough to see exactly what happened in your rear view. 


On Oct 4, 2011, at 12:55 PM, MadMarx wrote: 

> I would like to add race 2, with a little accident at corner one. 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udoqP6PPPKU 
> 
> 
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- 
> Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] 
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2011 00:41 
> An: 'MadMarx'; 'John Frymark' 
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
> Betreff: RE: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 
> 
> Maybe one with the "Dixie" melody ala General Lee! :) 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On 
> Behalf Of MadMarx 
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:45 PM 
> To: 'John Frymark' 
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 
> 
> Sure! 
> How else you can make a way through a close grid. 
> Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-) 
> 
> Thanks John! 
> 
> 
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- 
> Von: John Frymark [mailto:jfrymark at aol.com] 
> Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36 
> An: tr4racing at googlemail.com 
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
> Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 
> 
> Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing! 
> 
> Great race, Chris! 
> 
> John Frymark 
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Tue Oct  4 17:41:16 2011
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 19:41:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gold Cup
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	<004a01cc8297$2a982b70$7fc88250$@org>
Message-ID: <1C5928FBCFA94AE2927D50D97EDDF462@userb38463fba5>

A few of the WPTA faithful are planning on going.

JVV
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From: "Jeff Snook" <jsnook at wcnet.org>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Gold Cup


> I'll be there with my TR3A.
>
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Oct  4 17:45:53 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 19:45:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] End of his first season as a pro
In-Reply-To: <6B44E790A14A4501BFC4DF8CB49F8480@homekeith>
References: <6B44E790A14A4501BFC4DF8CB49F8480@homekeith>
Message-ID: <8CE5106E326054D-14D4-D793@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com>

 egads!  congratulations JOSH!


 you and Josh coming to THE 10TH KASTNER CUP?   anything in the works on
that?

Joe






-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com>
To: n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>; 'Kas Kastner' <kaskas at cox.net>; 'Jeff Snook'
<jsnook at wcnet.org>; 'Tony Drews' <tony at tonydrews.com>; 'John Nikas'
<capecoventryracing at gmail.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 4:52 pm
Subject: End of his first season as a pro



Dear All,

Thought I would get a few bragging rights inb&..

My son Josh has just finished his first season as aprofessional driver and has
more than exceeded expectations; he has finished 7thoverall in the
championship (out of 29 drivers), is the top placed rookie, hasmultiple top 10
finishes, 2 podiums (a 2nd and a 3rd) andnumerous fastest laps; what a great
year for him.

He has 3 teams chasing his signature for 2012 and, and thisis a good one, has
Dennis Rushen wanting to manage him; Dennis used to manage acertain Ayrton
Senna in his F3 daysb&..

On top of his saloon car exploits he has also won in his TR6,taken so many
podiums and lap records and did pretty well at the Eifel Classicon the
Nurburgring Nordschleife starting 40th on the grid to go to 1stby the end of
the 1st lap and from 140th to 22ndoverall by the end of his 60 minute stint.
We eventually came 2nd behindMario who was the deserved European Kastner Cup
winner.

As I said at the beginning, bragging rights J

Cheers,

Keith.


From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Oct  4 18:05:42 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 17:05:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] End of his first season as a pro
References: <6B44E790A14A4501BFC4DF8CB49F8480@homekeith>
Message-ID: <25DB4586296849C199B485AEA7C9C6CC@Bud>

Congratulations!..that's Terrific!
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Files" <keithfiles at btinternet.com>
To: <n197tr4 at cs.com>; "'Kas Kastner'" <kaskas at cox.net>; "'Jeff Snook'" 
<jsnook at wcnet.org>; "'Tony Drews'" <tony at tonydrews.com>; "'JohnNikas'" 
<capecoventryracing at gmail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 2:52 PM
Subject: [Fot] End of his first season as a pro


> Dear All,
>
>
>
> Thought I would get a few bragging rights in...
>
>
>
> My son Josh has just finished his first season as a professional driver 
> and
> has more than exceeded expectations; he has finished 7th overall in the
> championship (out of 29 drivers), is the top placed rookie, has multiple 
> top
> 10 finishes, 2 podiums (a 2nd and a 3rd) and numerous fastest laps; what a
> great year for him.
>
>
>
> He has 3 teams chasing his signature for 2012 and, and this is a good one,
> has Dennis Rushen wanting to manage him; Dennis used to manage a certain
> Ayrton Senna in his F3 days...
>
>
>
> On top of his saloon car exploits he has also won in his TR6, taken so 
> many
> podiums and lap records and did pretty well at the Eifel Classic on the
> Nurburgring Nordschleife starting 40th on the grid to go to 1st by the end
> of the 1st lap and from 140th to 22nd overall by the end of his 60 minute
> stint. We eventually came 2nd behind Mario who was the deserved European
> Kastner Cup winner.
>
>
>
> As I said at the beginning, bragging rights :-)
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Keith.
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  4 20:49:40 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 22:49:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tow vehicle
Message-ID: <BLU160-W456894E16E21E322881D06BAF80@phx.gbl>

Anybody out there using one of the new F-150 with the ecoboost v6 engine as a
tow vehicle?  With the max tow package they appear to be rated 4000 lb more
than my 5.4 F-150.  Marty


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Oct  5 00:02:48 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 06:02:48 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <908370088.209114.1317769502619.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <20111004224123.82875187895@autox.team.net>
	<908370088.209114.1317769502619.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.50.1638251573.12548.fot@autox.team.net>

Absolutely right and for the next race I will hold a speach about at the drivers meeting.
Cause for this was the too late braking of a Spitfire and a MG GT.

Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 23:05:02 
To: <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>; christopher bock<SeaCubeCo at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Heck, at every drivers meeting I've been told that vintage racing is a non-contact sport! 

Gary 

----- Original Message -----
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com 
To: "christopher bock" <SeaCubeCo at aol.com> 
Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 1:40:44 PM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 

Damage report: 
- Monza sprite smashed at rear and front. 
- gray TR4 flat at the front to the wheels 
- Spitfire front slightly bended 
- my TR's right door damaged 

All drivers are okay. 

Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone 

-----Original Message----- 
From: christopher bock <SeaCubeCo at aol.com> 
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:32:24 
To: MadMarx<tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 

WOW. i hope everyone was ok. Kind of tough to see exactly what happened in your rear view. 


On Oct 4, 2011, at 12:55 PM, MadMarx wrote: 

> I would like to add race 2, with a little accident at corner one. 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udoqP6PPPKU 
> 
> 
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- 
> Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] 
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2011 00:41 
> An: 'MadMarx'; 'John Frymark' 
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
> Betreff: RE: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 
> 
> Maybe one with the "Dixie" melody ala General Lee! :) 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On 
> Behalf Of MadMarx 
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:45 PM 
> To: 'John Frymark' 
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 
> 
> Sure! 
> How else you can make a way through a close grid. 
> Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-) 
> 
> Thanks John! 
> 
> 
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- 
> Von: John Frymark [mailto:jfrymark at aol.com] 
> Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36 
> An: tr4racing at googlemail.com 
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
> Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 
> 
> Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing! 
> 
> Great race, Chris! 
> 
> John Frymark 
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct  5 05:47:38 2011
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 04:47:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Tow vehicle
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-W456894E16E21E322881D06BAF80@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-W456894E16E21E322881D06BAF80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1317815258.51689.YahooMailNeo@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Marty,
 
I've got one. Haven't towed with it yet, but it is rated for 11,300
pounds. If
you want to get a new one, let me know, I can get you X-Plan. The
only
complaint I have is that the mirrors don't have power fold capability. I
have
to open my window to fold them in and out when I put it in my garage.
 
For 2012, the 4x4 version will have a 36 gallon fuel tank. You could drive
from Toledo to Road Atlanta without stopping (for fuel).
 
Doug

From: marty
sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday,
October 4, 2011 10:49 PM
Subject: [Fot] Tow vehicle

Anybody out there using
one of the new F-150 with the ecoboost v6 engine as a
tow vehicle?  With the
max tow package they appear to be rated 4000 lb more
than my 5.4 F-150.  Marty
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Oct  5 08:09:34 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 16:09:34 +0200
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com>
References: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <002401cc8368$6a785450$3f68fcf0$@com>

I would like to give an update:

I did a hardness check on the distributor gear:

HRC 38 to 43 (stock)
After plasma nitrating
48 - 54 HRC

So the surface is now harder and I'll report how the gear will behave.

Cheers
Chris


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Wed Oct  5 08:20:39 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 10:20:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gold Cup
In-Reply-To: <1C5928FBCFA94AE2927D50D97EDDF462@userb38463fba5>
Message-ID: <F7D3ED429D654DAC953B9AE96A7194A6@gdhs.local>

I'll be there in my TR3A as well.

John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:41 PM
To: Jeff Snook; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Gold Cup


A few of the WPTA faithful are planning on going.

JVV
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Snook" <jsnook at wcnet.org>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Gold Cup


> I'll be there with my TR3A.
>
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Oct  5 17:56:22 2011
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 18:56:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tow vehicle
References: <BLU160-W456894E16E21E322881D06BAF80@phx.gbl>
	<1317815258.51689.YahooMailNeo@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <78BC0B3FC95740E490ED6C4AAE68B323@latitudefb1e41>

That is more tow capacity than my 2500HD. I doubt it would tow as nicely but 
I'd love to hear how it does. I have a 28' enclosed trailer that hit's it's 
10 grand payload with the two TR4 ensconced. My 2500HD does fairly well with 
the load with the help of a load leveling hitch. Tidbit, this truck is over 
125,000 miles on the original brakes with no sign of needing pads anytime 
soon.

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Mitchell" <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>
To: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tow vehicle


> Marty,
>
> I've got one. Haven't towed with it yet, but it is rated for 11,300
> pounds. If
> you want to get a new one, let me know, I can get you X-Plan. The
> only
> complaint I have is that the mirrors don't have power fold capability. I
> have
> to open my window to fold them in and out when I put it in my garage.
>
> For 2012, the 4x4 version will have a 36 gallon fuel tank. You could drive
> from Toledo to Road Atlanta without stopping (for fuel).
>
> Doug
>
> From: marty
> sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday,
> October 4, 2011 10:49 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Tow vehicle
>
> Anybody out there using
> one of the new F-150 with the ecoboost v6 engine as a
> tow vehicle?  With the
> max tow package they appear to be rated 4000 lb more
> than my 5.4 F-150.  Marty
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct  6 16:36:12 2011
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 15:36:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Tow vehicle
In-Reply-To: <78BC0B3FC95740E490ED6C4AAE68B323@latitudefb1e41>
References: <BLU160-W456894E16E21E322881D06BAF80@phx.gbl>
	<1317815258.51689.YahooMailNeo@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<78BC0B3FC95740E490ED6C4AAE68B323@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <1317940572.53504.YahooMailNeo@web80808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Check out the You Tube video tests on the 'Hero' engine in the F150. They ran
the engine on the dyno for the equivalant of 150,000 miles. Then put it in a
F150 and towed logs out of a forest in Oregon. They then took the truck down
to Alabama and towed 11300 lbs for 24 hours averaging 80+ mph. They then took
then engine out and put it in a Raptor and ran the Baja. They put it back on
the dyno and the hp and torque numbers matched the original. They tore the
engine down at the North American International Auto Show and it showed no
appreciable wear.

Doug

 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Kramer
<rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
To: Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>; marty
sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>; fot at autox.team.net
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, October
5, 2011 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tow vehicle

That is more tow capacity than
my 2500HD. I doubt it would tow as nicely but I'd love to hear how it does. I
have a 28' enclosed trailer that hit's it's 10 grand payload with the two TR4
ensconced. My 2500HD does fairly well with the load with the help of a load
leveling hitch. Tidbit, this truck is over 125,000 miles on the original
brakes with no sign of needing pads anytime soon.

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Mitchell"
<dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>
To: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>;
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 6:47 AM
Subject: Re:
[Fot] Tow vehicle


> Marty,
> 
> I've got one. Haven't towed with it yet, but
it is rated for 11,300
> pounds. If
> you want to get a new one, let me know,
I can get you X-Plan. The
> only
> complaint I have is that the mirrors don't
have power fold capability. I
> have
> to open my window to fold them in and
out when I put it in my garage.
> 
> For 2012, the 4x4 version will have a 36
gallon fuel tank. You could drive
> from Toledo to Road Atlanta without
stopping (for fuel).
> 
> Doug
> 
> From: marty
> sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday,
> October 4, 2011 10:49 PM
>
Subject: [Fot] Tow vehicle
> 
> Anybody out there using
> one of the new F-150
with the ecoboost v6 engine as a
> tow vehicle?  With the
> max tow package
they appear to be rated 4000 lb more
> than my 5.4 F-150.  Marty
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Sat Oct  8 11:53:44 2011
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 12:53:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Joe Curry
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402684714@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Sorry to bomb the list... Joe, the number you're looking for is FM 20289 U.

Scott B.


From horizonracing at msn.com  Sun Oct  9 11:06:48 2011
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 10:06:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR250K
Message-ID: <SNT141-W46A8EB26F71ED6533AFBFB2FC0@phx.gbl>

Hi All,
For those in the LA area, The TR250K has been invited and will be at  the Art
Centre College of Design in Pasadena ..."Art Center car Classic, California
Design:Influencing Change", Oct. 23 (11-5)
A display of vehicles of all eras, Classic to Modern and concept cars as well
as aircraft and watercraft.


From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Oct  9 12:56:02 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 11:56:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR250K
References: <SNT141-W46A8EB26F71ED6533AFBFB2FC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B7E08C792F6C4B12AC7443580A1C54E1@Bud>

Congratulations Tony!....
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony and Annie Garmey" <horizonracing at msn.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 10:06 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR250K


> Hi All,
> For those in the LA area, The TR250K has been invited and will be at  the 
> Art
> Centre College of Design in Pasadena ..."Art Center car Classic, 
> California
> Design:Influencing Change", Oct. 23 (11-5)
> A display of vehicles of all eras, Classic to Modern and concept cars as 
> well
> as aircraft and watercraft.
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From harmug at us.ibm.com  Mon Oct 10 07:11:58 2011
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:11:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SU carbs- Fixed needle vs Spring loaded
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1318096806.24221.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF99946F71.2138A6CD-ON85257925.00477384-85257925.0048821E@us.ibm.com>

Racing season is over for me and I'm getting my winter projects lined up.
One is rebuilding/ replacing my carbs, SU H2s, for the Spitfire. I've
collected several sets and I was wondering which type are better for
racing, the fixed needle type or the spring needle? From a theoretical
point of view, I can see pluses and minuses for each type. This year I ran
both types too, but not having identical needles in each, I couldn't do a
real comparison.
I suspect the answer is fixed, but any thoughts?

thanks
mike

63 Spitfire

G. Michael Harmuth


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Mon Oct 10 07:47:03 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 06:47:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
Message-ID: <1318254423.490.YahooMailClassic@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Joe & FOT: Below is an email concerning two deaths during this past weekends
race at Hallet.
-Ed-

--- On Mon, 10/10/11, Doug Mains <cvarflag1 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Doug Mains <cvarflag1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
To: "Ed Barnard" <Edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
Date: Monday, October 10, 2011, 8:36 AM


Ed,

There is truth to the report. Just in case you did not get the below email.

Doug


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: CVAR Announcement <cvar at lists.corinthianvintagerace.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:20 AM
Subject: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
To: CVAR membership <cvar at lists.corinthianvintagerace.com>





















Saturday we lost two good  friends:
Bill Hill, Group 2 Midget driver, collapsed and died after the G-2 race at
Hallett.
Ron Shade, Group 7 Porsche driver and CVAR board member, passed away during
the one hour enduro.
Both deaths were due to natural causes, not racing incidents.

They died surrounded by friends doing something they truly enjoyed.

Services are pending. I will post that information on  the list-server when it
becomes available.
Please keep Bill and Ron's families in your thoughts and prayers.



George Curl



www.corinthianvintagerace.com
Stop Waste - Recycle Old Race Cars



--
Doug Mains, CVAR Flag 1
5400 Post Ridge Dr
Fort Worth, TX 76123
817-437-3597


From KENMUN at aol.com  Mon Oct 10 13:04:22 2011
From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:04:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] 87mm pistons
Message-ID: <1839b.6efdd313.3bc49bb6@aol.com>

anyone have a good set of pistons they'd like to sell? thanks, ken m.  
vintage tr3 racer.


From walt at hot-tr6.com  Mon Oct 10 15:51:03 2011
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:51:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Sweeny, Texas
Message-ID: <002701cc8796$b569b670$203d2350$@hot-tr6.com>

Do we have any 
FOT members that live in the town of Sweeny, Texas?

I could use some help picking up a car part I bought and

Getting it to Fed Ex Ground or UPS.

Thanks

Walt Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 10 16:06:05 2011
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:06:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Looking for former race driver Jeff Harrell
Message-ID: <EDBA226B-6FB2-4EAC-A0F5-9A4DE1604671@gmail.com>

Does the name Jeff Harrell sound familiar to anyone here, and if so, can
anyone provide a lead to contact him?  I am told he raced Morgans in the late
50s or early 1960s on the east coast.  I can find a reference to that name in
SCCA records only for 1963, driving an MGA.  This may be the guy that drove
(and wrecked) my Morgan Plus 4 around 1959-1960-ish in Spartanburg, SC.  I was
told the damage occurred during an off-road excursion (the car struck concrete
hidden in tall grass) at an SCCA airport race, but I can't yet get the facts
to align properly.

Duncan Charlton


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Oct 10 17:17:18 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 19:17:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] VTR COVERAGE OF FOT AT LEGUNA SECA AND KCUP POSTERS THANKS!
Message-ID: <8CE55B9E37D0A7E-23B0-60587@Webmail-m121.sysops.aol.com>

FoT Bill Redinger comprehensively covered the 9th RUNNING OF THE KASTNER CUP.

Pictures and text really tell the story.  Thanks Bill.

The Vintage Triumph has FOT Mike Cook as it's editor and the FOT is nicely
featured in almost all of the magazine publications.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

The FOT and VTR have been collaborating on the Kastner Cup since Watkins Glen,
specifically on the FOT/VTR POSTERs that are provided to FoT and VTR members
in attendance.

Blake Discher is the VTR President and was responsible for the layout of the
Watkins Glen and Topeka Posters.

Steve Belfer was responsible for the Laguna Seca effort and is currently
working on the artwork for THE MITTY.

Joe Pawlak of ISOA is responsible for the production of the posters.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------------

It's amazing what a non-organization can accomplish, with help from their
friends.

MEMBERSHIP IN THE VTR is STRONGLY ENCOURAGED..............................


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Mon Oct 10 21:54:17 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:54:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
In-Reply-To: <1318259184.64611.YahooMailRC@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1318305257.27807.YahooMailClassic@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tom: At this time this is all the info we have.
 
All,

I am not sure if all of you are on the CVAR email distribution. I wanted to
pass this note along just in case.


The memorial service for Bill is scheduled for next Sunday 10/16 from 5:30
till ?


Gianna Italian Kitchen, 28301 Tomball Parkway, Tomball, TX  77357,
281-290-6676
Doug Mains


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: CVAR Announcement <cvar at lists.corinthianvintagerace.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:20 AM
Subject: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
To: CVAR membership <cvar at lists.corinthianvintagerace.com>





















Saturday we lost two good  friends:
Bill Hill, Group 2 Midget driver, collapsed and died after the G-2 race at
Hallett.
Ron Shade, Group 7 Porsche driver and CVAR board member, passed away during
the one hour enduro.
Both deaths were due to natural causes, not racing incidents.

They died surrounded by friends doing something they truly enjoyed.

Services are pending. I will post that information on  the list-server when it
becomes available.
Please keep Bill and Ron's families in your thoughts and prayers.



George Curl



--- On Mon, 10/10/11, tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
To: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
Date: Monday, October 10, 2011, 10:06 AM








Ed, unfortunately, not much info came thru the list ... could you possibly
copy and paste for all of us on the fot ... also, we had a death at blackhawk
farms this weekend.
  Not a racing incident, but Bill Dalton, who is very well liked died of a
heart attack.
  I hate to ask for more bad news, but, please fill us in ...
 
Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire






From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>; FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, October 10, 2011 8:47:03 AM
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [CVAR] CVAR sad news

Joe & FOT: Below is an email concerning two deaths during this past weekends
race at Hallet.
-Ed-

--- On Mon, 10/10/11, Doug Mains <cvarflag1 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Doug Mains <cvarflag1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
To: "Ed Barnard" <Edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
Date: Monday, October 10, 2011, 8:36 AM


Ed,

There is truth to the report. Just in case you did not get the below email.

Doug


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: CVAR Announcement <cvar at lists.corinthianvintagerace.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:20 AM
Subject: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
To: CVAR membership <cvar at lists.corinthianvintagerace.com>





















Saturday we lost two good  friends:
Bill Hill, Group 2 Midget driver, collapsed and died after the G-2 race at
Hallett.
Ron Shade, Group 7 Porsche driver and CVAR board member, passed away during
the one hour enduro.
Both deaths were due to natural causes, not racing incidents.

They died surrounded by friends doing something they truly enjoyed.

Services are pending. I will post that information on  the list-server when
it
becomes available.
Please keep Bill and Ron's families in your thoughts and prayers.



George Curl



www.corinthianvintagerace.com
Stop Waste - Recycle Old Race Cars



--
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5400 Post Ridge Dr
Fort Worth, TX 76123
817-437-3597
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Tue Oct 11 09:19:04 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:19:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Road Racing ...funny
Message-ID: <002101cc8829$1d125880$57370980$@rogers.com>

 <http://youtu.be/WNVA8nbXbug> http://youtu.be/WNVA8nbXbug

 

A lot of talk about Darrell  Waltrip commentating at Bathurst road racing in
Australia for Speed TV. Someone posted this link to his test  drive. It is
hilarious.

 

Paul


From triosan at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 11:10:01 2011
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:10:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kas Cup 2012
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNAszG9GR1a2PRh=A9Gk2su4qCe4=TScnAvYaFMVUX_Bqg@mail.gmail.com>

I plan on driving!!!  The only hang up will be that I have a novice license
and only 4 races [1 this year] under my belt.  Hopefully they will let me
drive.  I know how to do it having done dozens of "lapping days" and many
race practice days.

The car finally [almost] got ready enough to race a couple of weeks ago.
Did 8 practice sessions and a qualifying just fine.  In the 16 lap race, at
the end of lap 13 I hit some big bumps and ended up breaking the flange
holding the inner left halfshaft.  Coasted to hot pits and that was that.

Mad at myself as there was no one in front I could race with, and no one
behind at all close -- could have just taken the corner a little easier and
not missed the apex so badly.

The car runs strong so I am pleased with that.

Chuck

-- 
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 12:29:44 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:29:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Road Racing ...funny
In-Reply-To: <002101cc8829$1d125880$57370980$@rogers.com>
References: <002101cc8829$1d125880$57370980$@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9Nu5Q2iBFf=+Q5YzJeWGYOgEELOm=Yeu+b8FtAZBWba7A@mail.gmail.com>

that was good ! Had Darrell on the edge  and alot of respect for road racers
I am sure no matter where they are from.


On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:19 AM, macdonaldp <macdonaldp at rogers.com> wrote:

>  <http://youtu.be/WNVA8nbXbug> http://youtu.be/WNVA8nbXbug
>
>
>
> A lot of talk about Darrell  Waltrip commentating at Bathurst road racing
> in
> Australia for Speed TV. Someone posted this link to his test  drive. It is
> hilarious.
>
>
>
> Paul
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 11 13:01:43 2011
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:01:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Road Racing ...funny
In-Reply-To: <002101cc8829$1d125880$57370980$@rogers.com>
References: <002101cc8829$1d125880$57370980$@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <1318359703.16161.YahooMailNeo@web80807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I love how his voice rises a couple of octaves. I think he was truly scared.
From: macdonaldp <macdonaldp at rogers.com>
To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:19 AM
Subject: [Fot] Road Racing ...funny
<http://youtu.be/WNVA8nbXbug> http://youtu.be/WNVA8nbXbug



A lot of talk
about Darrell  Waltrip commentating at Bathurst road racing in
Australia for
Speed TV. Someone posted this link to his test  drive. It is
hilarious.
Paul
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From triosan at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 14:06:52 2011
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:06:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Question re: cracks in IRS trailing arms
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNB4R9r=0cGnPmn2+bhyyCOG45FM1vR2o1TQ8mO2-JaxYg@mail.gmail.com>

Both of the trailing arms on my TR6 racer have cracks in the trailing arms.
They are about 1 to 1.5 inches long and start at the bottom edge immediately
in front of the brake backing plate.  They go through, that is are visable
from both sides [though worse from inside].

Questions:
1. How dangerous is this?  It looks like there would need to be a whole lot
more cracking before danger of breaking.
2. Can they be repaired?
3. Can I do a lapping day practice in a couple of weeks with them in this
condition [may have been like that for a long time?].

Thanks in advance,

-- 
Chuck Arnold


From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Oct 11 15:15:01 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:15:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Bill Dalton details...
Message-ID: <42cad.21250952.3bc60bd5@aol.com>

Amici...

Sorry to bomb the list, but Midwest racers may be interested in some 
additional information on Bill Dalton's funeral arrangements.  Bill died of heart 
failure last Saturday while working a race event at Blackhawk Farms Raceway: 
 These notes are from the Unger Horner Funeral Home:

William J. Dalton, age 70, of Ashton, IL died Sat. Oct. 8, 2011 at Rockford 
Memorial Hospital. He was born Oct. 13, 1940 in New Jersey the son of 
William and Giovanna Gotilla Dalton.

Retired from E.D. Etnyre & Co. in Oregon, IL as a mechanical engineer. 
Member of St. Patrick Church of Rochelle. Also belonged to Sports Car Club Of 
America, N.R.A., Air Craft Owners and Pilots Association and Experimental 
Aircraft Association.

Survived by his children: John (Francesca) Dalton of Spotswood, NJ, and 
Andrea Kilkenny of Bloomfield, NJ; and 2 grandchildren: Michael and Victoria 
Dalton.

Funeral mass will be held at 10:30 AM on Thursday, October 13, 2011 at the 
St. Patrick Catholic Church, Rochelle, with Rev. Steven Lange officiating. 
Visitation will be on Wednesday from 5 - 8 PM at the Unger Horner Funeral 
Home, 400 N 6th St., Rochelle. Memorials to the St. Patrick Catholic Church or 
the American Heart Association. Burial at St. Patrick Catholic Cemetery in 
Rochelle. Online guest book at UngerHorner.com

Some personal comments:  Bill Dalton was a 'permanent fixture' at road 
racing events here in the Midwest.  He was at Blackhawk Farms Raceway almost 
every week end, and if he wasn't there he was at Autobahn, Grattan or Road 
America.  Usually at the Black Flag Station, but he'd also do rescue, pace car, 
corner station, or whatever.  He was VSCDA's Chief of Tech for many, many 
years.  

But not everyone knew he was one of the original 'Jersey Boys', having 
played guitar in the early rock and roll group...the Royal Teens.  He was still 
getting royalties for 'Short Shorts'.  He was in several movies, including 
'Let's Rock.'  Bill used to work hard to convey his gruff 'Jersey' roots, but 
those who knew him well, knew that he was actually kind of a softy and very 
sensitive.  He was full of passion for good causes and made for a good 
friend.  He leaves a hole in amateur road racing in the Illinois/Wisconsin 
area...he WILL BE MISSED.  

Bill Dentinger


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Oct 11 15:26:00 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:26:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Road Racing ...funny
In-Reply-To: <CAP9qD9Nu5Q2iBFf=+Q5YzJeWGYOgEELOm=Yeu+b8FtAZBWba7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002101cc8829$1d125880$57370980$@rogers.com>
	<CAP9qD9Nu5Q2iBFf=+Q5YzJeWGYOgEELOm=Yeu+b8FtAZBWba7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1110111724050.23721@isis.mit.edu>

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011, Robert Deanes wrote:

> that was good ! Had Darrell on the edge  and alot of respect for road racers
> I am sure no matter where they are from.

I'm not certain that DW actually respects anyone, but that's based mostly 
on heresay. That said, I thought the vid was pretty funny in several 
differnt perspectives.

>From what I've heard, any flaggers that ever worked with him in the past 
were probably in hysterics watching the clip.

l8r,
rml
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Tue Oct 11 19:20:02 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:20:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Bill Dalton
Message-ID: <8AF0EEC83F0A4EEBAB3B7E214693D923@owner8914bbf7f>

Hi All, I'm sorry to hear about Bill Dalton.
I checked my log book and found that he tech'ed my car a couple times when I
did VSCDA events. As I recall he was a very nice guy.
I didn't know about his rock and roll history. Wow!
R.I.P. Bill Dalton.

Bill Tobin TR6


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Oct 12 16:23:51 2011
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:23:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [cvar_general] FStolen TR4 [1 Attachment]
References: <1318424531.44828.YahooMailClassic@web125503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1D7CE5B3-FEFF-4201-9120-13975B5F1EAD@austin.rr.com>

FYI

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: George Curl <ggcurl at yahoo.com>
> Date: October 12, 2011 6:02:11 AM PDT
> To: cvar_general at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [cvar_general] FStolen TR4 [1 Attachment]
>

> [Attachment(s) from George Curl included below]
>
>
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> From: Nathan P. Yonally <NYonally at KHP.KS.GOV>
> To: "cvarpresident at yahoo.com" <cvarpresident at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 9:59 AM
> Subject: FW: Stolen TR4
>
>
>
> Good Day
> Please see the above attachment with information concerning a stolen TR4
race car from Kansas City, KS.  This TR4 was stolen on 5-10-11.  The Kansas
City, KS Police Departments case # for this theft is 2010051145.  If this car
is being raced in one of your vintage races or shows up at any future races
please contact Detective Scott Todd of the Kansas City, KS Police Department
at 913-573-6057.  I know the car and could help with any questions concerning
this vehicle.  I can be reach at 913-780-6058 until 3:30 PM Monday-Friday and
on my cell # 913-433-6914 after hours.
> Thank you for your help.  I would like to see this vehicle returned to the
rightful owner.
> Paul Yonally
> AVIN
> Kansas Highway Patrol
>
>
>
>
> Attachment(s) from George Curl
>
> 1 of 1 File(s)
>
>
> STOLEN
>
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From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 17:26:12 2011
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:26:12 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Need rear trailing arms for TR6 -- Seattle-Tacoma area
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNBxC3yBsBRqGmipK9S18r+OWRteJpB7yset9PJobzttyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone in the area have a pair [or of immediate need, a left] trailing
arm for an IRS TR that they could sell,or lend me till I can arrange to get
one from out of town?

For that matter, does anyone on the list have the above they could shipto me
in Tacoma for arrival by next Wednesday?

Thanks,

-- 
Chuck Arnold


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Oct 12 23:14:33 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:14:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Question re: cracks in IRS trailing arms
In-Reply-To: <CAMc4sNB4R9r=0cGnPmn2+bhyyCOG45FM1vR2o1TQ8mO2-JaxYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111013051926.8FC25187672@autox.team.net>

Chuck,
I wouldn't use them without repairs, a crack can travel fast. A good tig
welder can get them fixed up. If you can't get to both sides of the cracks
with the tig torch, a groove should be ground in the crack for complete
penetration.

jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:07 PM
To: Friends; Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Question re: cracks in IRS trailing arms

Both of the trailing arms on my TR6 racer have cracks in the trailing arms.
They are about 1 to 1.5 inches long and start at the bottom edge immediately
in front of the brake backing plate.  They go through, that is are visable
from both sides [though worse from inside].

Questions:
1. How dangerous is this?  It looks like there would need to be a whole lot
more cracking before danger of breaking.
2. Can they be repaired?
3. Can I do a lapping day practice in a couple of weeks with them in this
condition [may have been like that for a long time?].

Thanks in advance,

-- 
Chuck Arnold
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From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Thu Oct 13 08:00:45 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:00:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR7 going to scrapper
Message-ID: <CALsVEtC=xy+Cu2u_vJQnZ5MKKj7FnFZMp4H+JEJBqzHj_rvvFA@mail.gmail.com>

I have a solid and complete '76 TR7 coupe that is destined for the scrapper
pretty soon unless someone wants it.  Our local scrap yard is paying $11.00
per 100 pounds so, assuming a curb weight of 2,250, it's worth $247.50 if I
haul it 3 miles down the road.  On the other hand, I really hate to scrap a
car that might be useful to someone, so I'm offering it to the list for
$247.50 if anyone wants it.  It was a Texas car that was last tagged in 1983
and was stored there until a few years ago when I got it as a father/son
project that didn't go anywhere.  The body is very solid, with almost no
rust or dents.  The engine is all there, including AC, but I don't think it
will turn.  We started to take parts off the engine but didn't get very far,
and everything is there.  Unfortunately, it's a coupe, with 4 speed and
early rear end, so it's not very desirable as Triumphs go.  Anyway, I need
the space so if no one wants it I'm going to send it off to Triumph heaven.
We're in northeast Florida and I have a good Florida title for it.  Don


From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Oct 13 19:11:35 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:11:35 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Fot] Team.Net service
Message-ID: <20111014011135.207002E0ED@bradakis.com>

Team.Net is going away, I'm shutting it off tomorrow morning.

Okay, relax, it is only temporary.  The local power company will be
doing some maintenence and repairs in the area friday, October 14th.
Rather than risk frying some crucial piece of hardware due to random
power flucuations I'll be shutting down the servers in the morning
before I go to work.  I'll be bringing them back up friday evening
when the power line work is done.

So the email lists, amazingly outdated web pages, forums and such
will be down for most of the day.  All services should be back on
the air late friday, so be patient.

Too bad I'm not ready to cut over to the new server, this would be
a good time to do so.  Oh well, so it goes.

Thank you for your patience.

mjb.


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Oct 13 20:29:35 2011
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:29:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [cvar_general] FStolen TR4 [1 Attachment]
References: <1D7CE5B3-FEFF-4201-9120-13975B5F1EAD@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <ADCCB7F9-F2E1-4C7F-98BD-57407A635ACB@austin.rr.com>

I forgot that attachments get pulled when I sent this out the first time. The
pictures show a black (or dark blue) TR4 with fender flares. It has a modem
cage , HS8's, maybe 7 or 8 inch rear wheels. Carriage Motor Works is the
sponsor and it had aluminum stone guards on the rear flares. It looks like it
was an SCCA car in the not too recent past.

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
> Date: October 12, 2011 3:23:51 PM PDT
> To: FOT List <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Fwd: [cvar_general] FStolen TR4 [1 Attachment]
>

> FYI
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: George Curl <ggcurl at yahoo.com>
>> Date: October 12, 2011 6:02:11 AM PDT
>> To: cvar_general at yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [cvar_general] FStolen TR4 [1 Attachment]
>>
>
>> [Attachment(s) from George Curl included below]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>> From: Nathan P. Yonally <NYonally at KHP.KS.GOV>
>> To: "cvarpresident at yahoo.com" <cvarpresident at yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 9:59 AM
>> Subject: FW: Stolen TR4
>>
>>
>>
>> Good Day
>> Please see the above attachment with information concerning a stolen TR4
race car from Kansas City, KS.  This TR4 was stolen on 5-10-11.  The Kansas
City, KS Police Departments case # for this theft is 2010051145.  If this car
is being raced in one of your vintage races or shows up at any future races
please contact Detective Scott Todd of the Kansas City, KS Police Department
at 913-573-6057.  I know the car and could help with any questions concerning
this vehicle.  I can be reach at 913-780-6058 until 3:30 PM Monday-Friday and
on my cell # 913-433-6914 after hours.
>> Thank you for your help.  I would like to see this vehicle returned to the
rightful owner.
>> Paul Yonally
>> AVIN
>> Kansas Highway Patrol
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachment(s) from George Curl
>>
>> 1 of 1 File(s)
>>
>>
>> STOLEN
>>
>> __._,_.___
>>
>>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Oct 14 19:48:57 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 19:48:57 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Back to normal?
Message-ID: <4E98E689.1030802@bradakis.com>

I think I have everything powered up and back on line.

What fun.

mjb.


From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Oct 14 23:08:45 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:08:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Back to normal?
In-Reply-To: <4E98E689.1030802@bradakis.com>
References: <4E98E689.1030802@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4E99155D.10609@bradakis.com>

Cute - 2 for the price of 1.  Looks like a minor problem with
the reboot.  What fun.

mjb.


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sat Oct 15 08:43:10 2011
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:43:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Back to normal?
In-Reply-To: <4E99155D.10609@bradakis.com>
References: <4E98E689.1030802@bradakis.com>
  <4E99155D.10609@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4E999BFE.9020605@blacksburg.net>

On 10/15/2011 1:08 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> Cute - 2 for the price of 1.  Looks like a minor problem with
> the reboot.  What fun.
>
> mjb.
>

> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html

My hat's off to you, buddy.  I started the first ISP in Blacksburg so I 
know what you're dealing with.  Of course I had investors but you rely 
on our donations, which is why it's so important for us to hit the 
Donate link periodically.

Have you had any luck with the archives?  I'd hate to see the pearls of 
wisdom posted here lost forever.

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From jason at multivintage.com  Sat Oct 15 10:39:37 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:39:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] The Great Bill Dentinger
Message-ID: <CALCydYq8LTCOV6T25CzK0dC8s9ub6-m6mT7bVm7Zriq7QA_=ng@mail.gmail.com>

What a great photo of of Bill Dentinger and Dennis Delap dueling it out
through turn 3 at Grattan in the latest issue of Victory Lane.(p.50)
I love that shot...
and timely recognition for Bill, as in the same issue (letters section) he
comments briefly on observations through his illustrious history in vintage
racing.
But... Bill, I would prefer to think of you in your Mid-Day instead of your
Twilight!
Keep it up... us younger guys need actively racing heroes.

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing


From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat Oct 15 15:58:46 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:58:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?
Message-ID: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>

Does anyone have experience with data acquisition using hardware from 
Innovate Motorsports?

Some friends and I are bringing an old water brake dyno back to life for 
some engine testing. The data acquisition stuff at Innovate Motorsports 
looked good and they could furnish everything we needed.  We bought a 
pressure transducer to get torque (thru force using a hydraulic 
cylinder), a Hall effect sensor to get RPM, and a wide band oxygen 
sensor for AFR.  These are connected through an interface "box" which 
goes to an RS232 port using USB to RS232 cable.

We've had nothing but problems with their system.  We had to return the 
interface box once already to be fixed (which took about 3 weeks).  
After that we were able to get pressure, but it often loses its settings 
and must be reset.  We get RPM a few seconds before it craps out. No 
AFR.  The whole system is flaky.  I am now sending the box and sensors 
back a second time.  I think the interface box still has problems. I 
can't decide whether to give up on them completely. It seems like it 
shouldn't be this difficult.

Does anyone else have experience with this company? Do you have a 
different company you would recommend? I realize this is a little 
different from data acquisition for racing, since we are going direct to 
the computer, but thought some of you might have a suggestion.

TIA, Larry Young


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sat Oct 15 17:41:25 2011
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:41:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?
Message-ID: <206f7.3e9bf704.3bcb7425@aol.com>

Innovate and crap that doesn't work????  Oh Hell yeah I have an  opinion!!
 
I spent a big amount of money on their system about five years ago and  
never got any results.  I sent it back for analysis and they simply sent it  
back without comment.  Nothing, nada, zilch!  Here's your shit, thanx  for the 
money sucka!
 
I am on a vendetta to tell the world about these worthless farks!   Don't 
buy their crap!
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/15/2011 4:33:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
cartravel at pobox.com writes:

Does  anyone have experience with data acquisition using hardware from 
Innovate  Motorsports?

Some friends and I are bringing an old water brake dyno  back to life for 
some engine testing. The data acquisition stuff at  Innovate Motorsports 
looked good and they could furnish everything we  needed.  We bought a 
pressure transducer to get torque (thru force  using a hydraulic 
cylinder), a Hall effect sensor to get RPM, and a wide  band oxygen 
sensor for AFR.  These are connected through an interface  "box" which 
goes to an RS232 port using USB to RS232 cable.

We've  had nothing but problems with their system.  We had to return the  
interface box once already to be fixed (which took about 3 weeks).   
After that we were able to get pressure, but it often loses its settings  
and must be reset.  We get RPM a few seconds before it craps out. No  
AFR.  The whole system is flaky.  I am now sending the box and  sensors 
back a second time.  I think the interface box still has  problems. I 
can't decide whether to give up on them completely. It seems  like it 
shouldn't be this difficult.

Does anyone else have  experience with this company? Do you have a 
different company you would  recommend? I realize this is a little 
different from data acquisition for  racing, since we are going direct to 
the computer, but thought some of you  might have a suggestion.

TIA, Larry  Young
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sat Oct 15 19:40:27 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:40:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?
References: <206f7.3e9bf704.3bcb7425@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1A34F349D1D844DF879449931EE4C4D2@owner8914bbf7f>

Don't sugar-coat it Steve, tell us how you really feel!!
(Apologies to Butch Cassidy)
Thanks for the heads up.
Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Gt6steve at aol.com>
To: <cartravel at pobox.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <saabhuman at aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?


> Innovate and crap that doesn't work????  Oh Hell yeah I have an  opinion!!
>
> I spent a big amount of money on their system about five years ago and
> never got any results.  I sent it back for analysis and they simply sent 
> it
> back without comment.  Nothing, nada, zilch!  Here's your shit, thanx  for 
> the
> money sucka!
>
> I am on a vendetta to tell the world about these worthless farks!   Don't
> buy their crap!
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/15/2011 4:33:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> cartravel at pobox.com writes:
>
> Does  anyone have experience with data acquisition using hardware from
> Innovate  Motorsports?
>
> Some friends and I are bringing an old water brake dyno  back to life for
> some engine testing. The data acquisition stuff at  Innovate Motorsports
> looked good and they could furnish everything we  needed.  We bought a
> pressure transducer to get torque (thru force  using a hydraulic
> cylinder), a Hall effect sensor to get RPM, and a wide  band oxygen
> sensor for AFR.  These are connected through an interface  "box" which
> goes to an RS232 port using USB to RS232 cable.
>
> We've  had nothing but problems with their system.  We had to return the
> interface box once already to be fixed (which took about 3 weeks).
> After that we were able to get pressure, but it often loses its settings
> and must be reset.  We get RPM a few seconds before it craps out. No
> AFR.  The whole system is flaky.  I am now sending the box and  sensors
> back a second time.  I think the interface box still has  problems. I
> can't decide whether to give up on them completely. It seems  like it
> shouldn't be this difficult.
>
> Does anyone else have  experience with this company? Do you have a
> different company you would  recommend? I realize this is a little
> different from data acquisition for  racing, since we are going direct to
> the computer, but thought some of you  might have a suggestion.
>
> TIA, Larry  Young
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From billb at bnj.com  Sat Oct 15 19:44:08 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:44:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?
In-Reply-To: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
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This is going to sound goofy, but you could probably do everything you want to
do with a subminiature data recorder from Eagletree Systems. It's made for
doing data acquisition in RC planes, but I used it to instrument paddles to
measure acceleration, wobble and flutter, vibration, and get a GPS position
for speed. They have a lot of sensors available, including hall effect for
RPM, and up to four channels of analog to digital conversion. I pulled the
strain gauge out of a $29 scale to do a load cell for my hydraulic press, you
could probably use something like that. You'd have to fiddle some but it's a
remarkable system, works great and costs $150. You'll spend more getting all
the modules, but everything I have was less than $500.  I was expecting to
spend a few thousand to do what I wanted to do.

Here's a link to an article about it on my stand up paddle website.
https://www.kenalu.com/2011/07/serious-paddle-testing/

The software is excellent, the units are seriously tough, and I've had no
problem with them except for toasting one with over voltage from the wrong
battery (12 volts instead of 5. Here's a tip, don't put the same connectors on
two different batteries and toss them in a box). They offered to fix it but I
haven't got around to sending it back since I bought two to begin with.


On Oct 15, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Larry Young wrote:

> Does anyone have experience with data acquisition using hardware from
Innovate Motorsports?
>
> Some friends and I are bringing an old water brake dyno back to life for
some engine testing. The data acquisition stuff at Innovate Motorsports looked
good and they could furnish everything we needed.  We bought a pressure
transducer to get torque (thru force using a hydraulic cylinder), a Hall
effect sensor to get RPM, and a wide band oxygen sensor for AFR.  These are
connected through an interface "box" which goes to an RS232 port using USB to
RS232 cable.
>
> We've had nothing but problems with their system.  We had to return the
interface box once already to be fixed (which took about 3 weeks).  After that
we were able to get pressure, but it often loses its settings and must be
reset.  We get RPM a few seconds before it craps out. No AFR.  The whole
system is flaky.  I am now sending the box and sensors back a second time.  I
think the interface box still has problems. I can't decide whether to give up
on them completely. It seems like it shouldn't be this difficult.
>
> Does anyone else have experience with this company? Do you have a different
company you would recommend? I realize this is a little different from data
acquisition for racing, since we are going direct to the computer, but thought
some of you might have a suggestion.
>
> TIA, Larry Young
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From triumphs at consolidated.net  Sat Oct 15 23:41:35 2011
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home PC)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 00:41:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?
References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
	<00687A8C-83B9-406B-A666-E237F4FCBAFD@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <F1C8CC87112A401FA75CCB3405EA301E@SONYATHOME>

I have two different boxes from Innovate in my street car and have had 
nothing but problems.  They seem to work fine just long enough to get your 
hopes up, then it gets flaky, intermittent and finally gone.  Some times 
re-flashing the boxes will fix it for a short period of time, but it is a 
bigger PITA than it is worth.

That said, their a/f meter seems reliable.  Anything more complicated than 
that and they fall flat of their faces.

My experience with support was mixed.  They never really fixed anything, but 
they keep sending new boxes without cost.

Their OBD-II wireless device seems to work OK in a modern car, but seeing 
any more than one screen at a time and, at least on the Iphone, gets very 
difficult. I would love to play with it on a laptop or Ipad.  I haven't 
played with the logging feature on that product.  My problem is that gives 
me a lot of good information, but I don't tune my modern, so it's a little 
bit more just a curiosity rather than valuable information, at least to me.

My $0.02 (or in this case about $200 :-) ) Your mileage may vary.

Ken Gano



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
To: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
Cc: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?


>
> On Oct 15, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Larry Young wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have experience with data acquisition using hardware from
> Innovate Motorsports?


From jason at multivintage.com  Sun Oct 16 17:28:02 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 18:28:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Dan Wheldon R.I.P
Message-ID: <CALCydYqj_gDm1K2RO0+esY_prwi=NapZGa65WWJveEf+Y3jyqw@mail.gmail.com>

Don't know how long the delay is here for post time but....
Some may want to know sooner that later.

Bad crash in indy car today in Las Vegas.
Dan Wheldon...This years indy 500 champ.... R.I.P.
Sad day for racing.


From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Oct 17 08:52:17 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:52:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Dan Wheldon R.I.P
Message-ID: <27859.e6a9296.3bcd9b21@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/16/2011 7:55:43 PM Central Daylight Time, 
jason at multivintage.com writes:


> Bad crash in indy car today in Las Vegas.
> Dan Wheldon...This years indy 500 champ.... R.I.P.
> Sad day for racing.
> 

34 car grid...
Mile and one half high banked track...
225 mph speeds...
$5,000,000 'carrot' for a Last to First win...

"OK guys and gals.  Get out there and race...and be careful too"

Indy Car needs to do some re-thinking...

Bill Dentinger


From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Oct 17 09:44:52 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:44:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?
In-Reply-To: <206f7.3e9bf704.3bcb7425@aol.com>
References: <206f7.3e9bf704.3bcb7425@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4E9C4D74.4070209@pobox.com>

I wish you'd told me about it before I wasted $500 Steve.  I know, my 
fault for not asking. Thanks for the information.

On 10/15/2011 6:41 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
> Innovate and crap that doesn't work????  Oh Hell yeah I have an opinion!!
> I spent a big amount of money on their system about five years ago and 
> never got any results.  I sent it back for analysis and they simply 
> sent it back without comment.  Nothing, nada, zilch!  Here's your 
> shit, thanx for the money sucka!
> I am on a vendetta to tell the world about these worthless farks!  
> Don't buy their crap!
> In a message dated 10/15/2011 4:33:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
> cartravel at pobox.com writes:
>
>     Does anyone have experience with data acquisition using hardware from
>     Innovate Motorsports?
>
>     Some friends and I are bringing an old water brake dyno back to
>     life for
>     some engine testing. The data acquisition stuff at Innovate
>     Motorsports
>     looked good and they could furnish everything we needed.  We bought a
>     pressure transducer to get torque (thru force using a hydraulic
>     cylinder), a Hall effect sensor to get RPM, and a wide band oxygen
>     sensor for AFR.  These are connected through an interface "box" which
>     goes to an RS232 port using USB to RS232 cable.
>
>     We've had nothing but problems with their system.  We had to
>     return the
>     interface box once already to be fixed (which took about 3 weeks).
>     After that we were able to get pressure, but it often loses its
>     settings
>     and must be reset.  We get RPM a few seconds before it craps out. No
>     AFR.  The whole system is flaky.  I am now sending the box and
>     sensors
>     back a second time.  I think the interface box still has problems. I
>     can't decide whether to give up on them completely. It seems like it
>     shouldn't be this difficult.
>
>     Does anyone else have experience with this company? Do you have a
>     different company you would recommend? I realize this is a little
>     different from data acquisition for racing, since we are going
>     direct to
>     the computer, but thought some of you might have a suggestion.
>
>     TIA, Larry Young
>     _______________________________________________
>     fot at autox.team.net
>
>     http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Oct 17 10:45:35 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:45:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Dan Wheldon R.I.P
In-Reply-To: <27859.e6a9296.3bcd9b21@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2011642881.785434.1318869935757.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

It's not too hard to figure out what caused the injury. The so-called safer
barrier projects inboard from the catch fence and creates a shelf. I suspect
Dan's helmet made contact with it.

Rest in peace Dan



jg



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From: BillDentin at aol.com
To: jason at multivintage.com, fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 8:52:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dan Wheldon R.I.P

In a message dated 10/16/2011 7:55:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
jason at multivintage.com writes:


> Bad crash in indy car today in Las Vegas.
> Dan Wheldon...This years indy 500 champ.... R.I.P.
> Sad day for racing.
>

34 car grid...
Mile and one half high banked track...
225 mph speeds...
$5,000,000 'carrot' for a Last to First win...

"OK guys and gals. B Get out there and race...and be careful too"

Indy Car needs to do some re-thinking...

Bill Dentinger
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Mon Oct 17 12:08:16 2011
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 14:08:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Dan Wheldon R.I.P
In-Reply-To: <27859.e6a9296.3bcd9b21@aol.com>
References: <27859.e6a9296.3bcd9b21@aol.com>
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He dead having fun 


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:52 AM
To: jason at multivintage.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dan Wheldon R.I.P

In a message dated 10/16/2011 7:55:43 PM Central Daylight Time, 
jason at multivintage.com writes:


> Bad crash in indy car today in Las Vegas.
> Dan Wheldon...This years indy 500 champ.... R.I.P.
> Sad day for racing.
> 

34 car grid...
Mile and one half high banked track...
225 mph speeds...
$5,000,000 'carrot' for a Last to First win...

"OK guys and gals.  Get out there and race...and be careful too"

Indy Car needs to do some re-thinking...

Bill Dentinger
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

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From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Mon Oct 17 12:42:16 2011
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:42:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...
In-Reply-To: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
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so I don't put it back together and have the same problem.  

The story is
that I had never been into the clutch.  I only knew that the PO 
raced the 74
TR6.  I autocrosses, and a hillclimb for the next couple of years 
with no
problem.  Then at the tail end of this season at an autocross, I could 
smell
my clutch after a run and it didn't want to go into gear.  Double 
clutching
could get it to go.  There never had been the typical TR6 problems 
such as
stiff clutch pedal, etc.

After breaking it open, I find little wear on the
spring fingers, a disk 
measuring appx. .290 in thickness, and all linkage
even though plenty dirty 
functioning soundly.  The slave and master of the
clutch is not losing fluid, 
and there is an adjustabe clutch rod that was in
the middle hole of the 
engage/disengage lever that is only minimally worn
oversize.

I am putting in a new clutch, but at this point, I can't see what
caused my 
failure in the first place.  Don't want to wrap it all up and have
the same 
problem.

Thanks for any assistance, Jim


From rikrock at live.com  Mon Oct 17 13:43:16 2011
From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:43:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
Message-ID: <snt0-eas3116177D4B0EF31DE9F5A21C6E40@phx.gbl>

Amici,

Can someone please explain to me the function of the "thrust button"
(the cylindrical-shaped spacer that fits inside the locker between the axle
shafts) and if/why it must be installed on a solid axle car (TR-4)?

Thanks!
Rich Rock


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Oct 17 14:50:02 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 13:50:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...
In-Reply-To: <1318876936.81601.YahooMailRC@web180614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
	<1318876936.81601.YahooMailRC@web180614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <025b01cc8d0e$584139f0$08c3add0$@rr.com>

> and there is an adjustabe clutch rod

Have you been keeping it adjusted?  As the friction plate wears, the free
play closes up until eventually there is none and the linkage starts holding
the pressure plate away from the friction plate.

-- Randall 


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Oct 17 14:58:10 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 13:58:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...
References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
	<1318876936.81601.YahooMailRC@web180614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01255E8203E24A68AD5B80D48DEE2598@Charly>

Look at the pin on the arm to the T.O. bearing on the shaft.

Charly Mitchel
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "sherry robyn" <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:42 AM
Subject: [Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...


> so I don't put it back together and have the same problem.
>
> The story is
> that I had never been into the clutch.  I only knew that the PO
> raced the 74
> TR6.  I autocrosses, and a hillclimb for the next couple of years
> with no
> problem.  Then at the tail end of this season at an autocross, I could
> smell
> my clutch after a run and it didn't want to go into gear.  Double
> clutching
> could get it to go.  There never had been the typical TR6 problems
> such as
> stiff clutch pedal, etc.
>
> After breaking it open, I find little wear on the
> spring fingers, a disk
> measuring appx. .290 in thickness, and all linkage
> even though plenty dirty
> functioning soundly.  The slave and master of the
> clutch is not losing fluid,
> and there is an adjustabe clutch rod that was in
> the middle hole of the
> engage/disengage lever that is only minimally worn
> oversize.
>
> I am putting in a new clutch, but at this point, I can't see what
> caused my
> failure in the first place.  Don't want to wrap it all up and have
> the same
> problem.
>
> Thanks for any assistance, Jim
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Oct 17 15:33:46 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:33:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
In-Reply-To: <snt0-eas3116177D4B0EF31DE9F5A21C6E40@phx.gbl>
References: <snt0-eas3116177D4B0EF31DE9F5A21C6E40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CE5B2B962F1D1A-17A0-7ED7A@webmail-d175.sysops.aol.com>

 I think it provides the spacing that allows you to set the factory spec end
play with the shims at the end of the axle housing.

If you have the Southwick conversion or IRS, Iit is not required.

Joe A.





-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Rock <rikrock at live.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:29 pm
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions


Amici,

Can someone please explain to me the function of the "thrust button"
(the cylindrical-shaped spacer that fits inside the locker between the axle
shafts) and if/why it must be installed on a solid axle car (TR-4)?

Thanks!
Rich Rock
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From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 17 15:47:03 2011
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 21:47:03 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
In-Reply-To: <snt0-eas3116177D4B0EF31DE9F5A21C6E40@phx.gbl>
References: <snt0-eas3116177D4B0EF31DE9F5A21C6E40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W28853DD6AF6FA1F720D8EAD2E40@phx.gbl>

Speaking from memory here... AFAIK the thrust button limits the inward travel
of the axle shaft

Greg Petrolati   Lafayette, Oregon



That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...





> From: rikrock at live.com
> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:43:16 -0400
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
>
> Amici,
>
> Can someone please explain to me the function of the "thrust button"
> (the cylindrical-shaped spacer that fits inside the locker between the axle
> shafts) and if/why it must be installed on a solid axle car (TR-4)?
>
> Thanks!
> Rich Rock
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Oct 17 16:03:10 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:03:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
In-Reply-To: <snt0-eas3116177D4B0EF31DE9F5A21C6E40@phx.gbl>
References: <snt0-eas3116177D4B0EF31DE9F5A21C6E40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <026501cc8d18$900db250$b02916f0$@rr.com>

The TR3/4 (and solid axle 4A) use tapered roller wheel bearings, meaning
they can only take side thrust in one direction.  So the side thrust on the
outer wheel in a turn goes through the button and gets carried by the
tapered bearing on the inner wheel.

-- Randall 


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 17 16:12:05 2011
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:12:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...
In-Reply-To: <1318876936.81601.YahooMailRC@web180614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
	<1318876936.81601.YahooMailRC@web180614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5D18F7B8-A6FB-456B-95B3-FBDA43044225@gmail.com>

Jim,

Sounds like the clutch was dragging on the flywheel while the pedal was
depressed, but your examination of the parts doesn't explain why.  Best guess
I have is that the clutch travel was limited somehow.  Any chance their was
air in the system?  How much downward pedal travel was there before you could
feel resistance?  I assume on a TR6 you'd want some free play at the top of
the pedal travel.  How far from the floor did the pedal rise before the clutch
started to engage, when it was working properly?  Anything out of the normal
range suggests a geometry problem since the hydraulic clutch should
self-adjust.

Are you reusing the same pressure plate?  A few years back our Morgan Plus 8's
clutch was slipping badly in 3rd and 4th gear.  I was surprised to find that
the friction disc looked very good.  The pressure plate likely had a lot of
miles on it (189,000 miles were put on the car by the PO before I got it...)
and the diaphragm spring apparently no longer created the original clamping
force.  A new pressure plate made all the difference (although it looked
perfectly good, I had the driven plate re-lined while I was at it since that
size is obsolete and the TR4 unit used by many is 1/2" smaller).  In all the
clutch jobs I'd done this was the first time I'd seen a slippage problem
caused by the pressure plate getting weak.

Duncan
(Texas)

1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red

On Oct 17, 2011, at 1:42 PM, sherry robyn wrote:

> so I don't put it back together and have the same problem.
>
> The story is
> that I had never been into the clutch.  I only knew that the PO
> raced the 74
> TR6.  I autocrosses, and a hillclimb for the next couple of years
> with no
> problem.  Then at the tail end of this season at an autocross, I could
> smell
> my clutch after a run and it didn't want to go into gear.  Double
> clutching
> could get it to go.  There never had been the typical TR6 problems
> such as
> stiff clutch pedal, etc.
>
> After breaking it open, I find little wear on the
> spring fingers, a disk
> measuring appx. .290 in thickness, and all linkage
> even though plenty dirty
> functioning soundly.  The slave and master of the
> clutch is not losing fluid,
> and there is an adjustabe clutch rod that was in
> the middle hole of the
> engage/disengage lever that is only minimally worn
> oversize.
>
> I am putting in a new clutch, but at this point, I can't see what
> caused my
> failure in the first place.  Don't want to wrap it all up and have
> the same
> problem.
>
> Thanks for any assistance, Jim
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon Oct 17 18:22:33 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:22:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...
In-Reply-To: <5D18F7B8-A6FB-456B-95B3-FBDA43044225@gmail.com>
References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
	<1318876936.81601.YahooMailRC@web180614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<5D18F7B8-A6FB-456B-95B3-FBDA43044225@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20BEED40-E6D9-4090-9929-87D3D78A28A2@bnj.com>

Is the master cylinder original or aftermarket? Some aftermarket master
cylinders have residual pressure valves built into them, if you're going to
use them for a clutch you need to remove it.

On Oct 17, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Duncan Charlton wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Sounds like the clutch was dragging on the flywheel while the pedal was
> depressed, but your examination of the parts doesn't explain why.  Best
guess
> I have is that the clutch travel was limited somehow.  Any chance their was
> air in the system?  How much downward pedal travel was there before you
could
> feel resistance?  I assume on a TR6 you'd want some free play at the top of
> the pedal travel.  How far from the floor did the pedal rise before the
clutch
> started to engage, when it was working properly?  Anything out of the
normal
> range suggests a geometry problem since the hydraulic clutch should
> self-adjust.
>
> Are you reusing the same pressure plate?  A few years back our Morgan Plus
8's
> clutch was slipping badly in 3rd and 4th gear.  I was surprised to find
that
> the friction disc looked very good.  The pressure plate likely had a lot of
> miles on it (189,000 miles were put on the car by the PO before I got
it...)
> and the diaphragm spring apparently no longer created the original clamping
> force.  A new pressure plate made all the difference (although it looked
> perfectly good, I had the driven plate re-lined while I was at it since
that
> size is obsolete and the TR4 unit used by many is 1/2" smaller).  In all
the
> clutch jobs I'd done this was the first time I'd seen a slippage problem
> caused by the pressure plate getting weak.
>
> Duncan
> (Texas)
>
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red
>
> On Oct 17, 2011, at 1:42 PM, sherry robyn wrote:
>
>> so I don't put it back together and have the same problem.
>>
>> The story is
>> that I had never been into the clutch.  I only knew that the PO
>> raced the 74
>> TR6.  I autocrosses, and a hillclimb for the next couple of years
>> with no
>> problem.  Then at the tail end of this season at an autocross, I could
>> smell
>> my clutch after a run and it didn't want to go into gear.  Double
>> clutching
>> could get it to go.  There never had been the typical TR6 problems
>> such as
>> stiff clutch pedal, etc.
>>
>> After breaking it open, I find little wear on the
>> spring fingers, a disk
>> measuring appx. .290 in thickness, and all linkage
>> even though plenty dirty
>> functioning soundly.  The slave and master of the
>> clutch is not losing fluid,
>> and there is an adjustabe clutch rod that was in
>> the middle hole of the
>> engage/disengage lever that is only minimally worn
>> oversize.
>>
>> I am putting in a new clutch, but at this point, I can't see what
>> caused my
>> failure in the first place.  Don't want to wrap it all up and have
>> the same
>> problem.
>>
>> Thanks for any assistance, Jim
>> _______________________________________________
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Oct 18 08:17:26 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:17:26 +0200
Subject: [Fot] RGB Season Final Race
Message-ID: <002c01cc8da0$abaf06c0$030d1440$@com>

Hi,

This is from race 2:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuIQlMF1C7A

 

Cheers

Chris


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Oct 18 09:24:27 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 17:24:27 +0200
Subject: [Fot] RGB Season Final Race
Message-ID: <003701cc8daa$08f25e00$1ad71a00$@com>

And the maybe more entertaining race 1:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_Slgv6ZT4I

 

Cheers

Chris

 

Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2011 16:17
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: RGB Season Final Race

 

Hi,

This is from race 2:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuIQlMF1C7A

 

Cheers

Chris


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 18 13:30:56 2011
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 12:30:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
In-Reply-To: <8CE5B2B962F1D1A-17A0-7ED7A@webmail-d175.sysops.aol.com>
References: <snt0-eas3116177D4B0EF31DE9F5A21C6E40@phx.gbl>
	<8CE5B2B962F1D1A-17A0-7ED7A@webmail-d175.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1318966256.96970.YahooMailNeo@web46113.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Joe is correct;
I did the Southwick conversion and removed it.  
 
Mike
________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To:
rikrock at live.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions

I think it provides the spacing
that allows you to set the factory spec end
play with the shims at the end of
the axle housing.

If you have the Southwick conversion or IRS, Iit is not
required.

Joe A.





-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Rock
<rikrock at live.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:29
pm
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions


Amici,

Can someone please
explain to me the function of the "thrust button"
(the cylindrical-shaped
spacer that fits inside the locker between the axle
shafts) and if/why it must
be installed on a solid axle car (TR-4)?

Thanks!
Rich Rock
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From jason at multivintage.com  Tue Oct 18 14:33:45 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:33:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] RGB Season Final Race
In-Reply-To: <003701cc8daa$08f25e00$1ad71a00$@com>
References: <003701cc8daa$08f25e00$1ad71a00$@com>
Message-ID: <CALCydYpEchn-SW6iG+NTvSLkvrRnVJN0SwFV5v744xbb0xmtjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Entertaining YES! Brilliant drive as usual!
I must comment on how totally different the level of aggression is with your
sanctioning body from most club racing and virtually ALL vintage racing in
the U.S.
We race very hard and fast as well. But, pull some of the moves I have seen
by various drivers in your videos...
Your licence will most likely be suspended or put on probation.
Do it again and you may not be welcome back to race at all.
It is interesting that it seems almost every race weekend you have shown us,
a following driver approaches from behind in an attempt to pass and makes
contact with the rear fender of the lead driver.
This is simply not tolerated over here. And is... in most cases, likely
grounds for some type of probationary measure. and possibly suspension.
And to comment further... many have occurred very early in the race. As in
this case (with the two, front running cars, racing ahead of you) the one
contacts the other, with half the race to go...again in a questionable try
to say the least... taking both out of contention and letting you walk away.

In my opinion, this tendency seems unnecessarily aggressive. Patience and
good tact will reward a good driver with a pass... perhaps at a slightly
later point in the race... while giving the same racing enjoyment and a much
more mutual positive outcome.
Believe me, I understand that accidents happen and there are going to be
incidents with contact...but every race weekend...a few times?
It seems you guys may benefit from some tougher stewarding.... unless you
all enjoy weekly trips to the body shop.

Love your videos and envy your momentum,
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:24 AM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> And the maybe more entertaining race 1:
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_Slgv6ZT4I
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2011 16:17
> An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
> Betreff: RGB Season Final Race
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> This is from race 2:
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuIQlMF1C7A
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Oct 18 15:28:05 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:28:05 +0200
Subject: [Fot] RGB Season Final Race
In-Reply-To: <CALCydYpEchn-SW6iG+NTvSLkvrRnVJN0SwFV5v744xbb0xmtjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003701cc8daa$08f25e00$1ad71a00$@com>
	<CALCydYpEchn-SW6iG+NTvSLkvrRnVJN0SwFV5v744xbb0xmtjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000301cc8ddc$d46174e0$7d245ea0$@com>

Hi Jason,



what you say is true!

This year is very bad with car contact.

After 6 years of racing this year was the first year I had car contact, and
not only one but 5 in a row.

I would say with one contact I had a 50 percent share, the other contacts I
had were caused by others.



At the moment Im thinking about a punishment system and told the crowd
about it but nobody was fond of it.

Some did say that it might help, others fear that it might be possible that
drivers leaving our group with that system.



I have no better idea what to do against rude behavior of some drivers. And
the car contacts are always with the same bunch of drivers.

Morganeers, blue Spit pilots, yellow TR3, Topaz TR6, Marcos GT, grey TR4, MG
V8 and this year also a red TR4 with flames.



Cheers

Chris





Von: Jason Ostrowski [mailto:jason at multivintage.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2011 22:34
An: MadMarx
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] RGB Season Final Race



Entertaining YES! Brilliant drive as usual!

I must comment on how totally different the level of aggression is with your
sanctioning body from most club racing and virtually ALL vintage racing in
the U.S.

We race very hard and fast as well. But, pull some of the moves I have seen
by various drivers in your videos...

Your licence will most likely be suspended or put on probation.

Do it again and you may not be welcome back to race at all.

It is interesting that it seems almost every race weekend you have shown us,
a following driver approaches from behind in an attempt to pass and makes
contact with the rear fender of the lead driver.

This is simply not tolerated over here. And is... in most cases, likely
grounds for some type of probationary measure. and possibly suspension.

And to comment further... many have occurred very early in the race. As in
this case (with the two, front running cars, racing ahead of you) the one
contacts the other, with half the race to go...again in a questionable try
to say the least... taking both out of contention and letting you walk away.


In my opinion, this tendency seems unnecessarily aggressive. Patience and
good tact will reward a good driver with a pass... perhaps at a slightly
later point in the race... while giving the same racing enjoyment and a much
more mutual positive outcome.
Believe me, I understand that accidents happen and there are going to be
incidents with contact...but every race weekend...a few times?

It seems you guys may benefit from some tougher stewarding.... unless you
all enjoy weekly trips to the body shop.



Love your videos and envy your momentum,

Jason Ostrowski

Friendly Ghost Racing

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:24 AM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

And the maybe more entertaining race 1:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_Slgv6ZT4I



Cheers

Chris



Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2011 16:17
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: RGB Season Final Race




Hi,

This is from race 2:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuIQlMF1C7A



Cheers

Chris
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From rikrock at live.com  Tue Oct 18 16:59:10 2011
From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:59:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
Message-ID: <snt0-eas339CAFFA60CCD315FDD3C01C6E50@phx.gbl>

Thanks for all the  replies.  We had a ring gear lose a few teeth at Watkins
Glen and we're trying to figure out why it happened.

The TR4 has a Detroit locker and I noticed  there was no thrust button
installed, and I was wondering if that might have had something to do with it.
Since it also has the Southwick axle conversion, that's probably not the
reason.

Big thanks to Henry Frye whose spare ring and pinion saved the weekend for
us!

Rich Rock
________________________________
From: Mike Mehl
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 3:30 PM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; rikrock at live.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions

Joe is correct;
I did the Southwick conversion and removed it.o?=
o?=
Mike


________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: rikrock at live.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions

I think it provides the spacing that allows you to set the factory spec end
play with the shims at the end of the axle housing.

If you have the Southwick conversion or IRS, Iit is not required.

Joe A.





-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Rock <rikrock at live.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:29 pm
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions


Amici,

Can someone please explain to me the function of the "thrust button"
(the cylindrical-shaped spacer that fits inside the locker between the axle
shafts) and if/why it must be installed on a solid axle car (TR-4)?

Thanks!
Rich Rock
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From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Tue Oct 18 19:10:33 2011
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:10:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...
In-Reply-To: <5D18F7B8-A6FB-456B-95B3-FBDA43044225@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1318986633.37820.YahooMailRC@web180616.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Checked the end float and that looks OK too.  I got .010" of movement but my
indicator was at a 20 degree angle one way and 5 or so the other.  If that
sounds OK then the only thing I can put the failure to is the pressure plate. 
It was the older style B&B with very little wear on the fingers from the T O
bearing.  If it was something to do with the adjustment of the clutch rod (I
don't believe it was), then that will be rectified when I set everything back
up.

Would anyone else be inclined to leave in the existing T O bearing since
those 
Koyos have their problems too?

Thanks again for the help.

Jim
________________________________
From: Duncan Charlton
<duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
To: sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
Cc:
FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, October 17, 2011 3:12:05 PM
Subject: Re:
[Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...

Jim,

Sounds like
the clutch was dragging on the flywheel while the pedal was 
depressed, but
your examination of the parts doesn't explain why.  Best guess I 
have is that
the clutch travel was limited somehow.  Any chance their was air in 
the
system?  How much downward pedal travel was there before you could feel
resistance?  I assume on a TR6 you'd want some free play at the top of the
pedal 
travel.  How far from the floor did the pedal rise before the clutch
started to 
engage, when it was working properly?  Anything out of the normal
range suggests 
a geometry problem since the hydraulic clutch should
self-adjust.

Are you reusing the same pressure plate?  A few years back our
Morgan Plus 8's 
clutch was slipping badly in 3rd and 4th gear.  I was
surprised to find that the 
friction disc looked very good.  The pressure
plate likely had a lot of miles on 
it (189,000 miles were put on the car by
the PO before I got it...) and the 
diaphragm spring apparently no longer
created the original clamping force.  A 
new pressure plate made all the
difference (although it looked perfectly good, I 
had the driven plate
re-lined while I was at it since that size is obsolete and 
the TR4 unit used
by many is 1/2" smaller).  In all the clutch jobs I'd done 
this was the first
time I'd seen a slippage problem caused by the pressure plate 
getting weak.
Duncan
(Texas)

1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red

On Oct 17, 2011, at 1:42 PM, sherry
robyn wrote:

> so I don't put it back together and have the same problem.  
>
> The story is
> that I had never been into the clutch.  I only knew that the
PO 
> raced the 74
> TR6.  I autocrosses, and a hillclimb for the next couple
of years 
> with no
> problem.  Then at the tail end of this season at an
autocross, I could 
> smell
> my clutch after a run and it didn't want to go
into gear.  Double 
> clutching
> could get it to go.  There never had been
the typical TR6 problems 
> such as
> stiff clutch pedal, etc.
> 
> After
breaking it open, I find little wear on the
> spring fingers, a disk 
>
measuring appx. .290 in thickness, and all linkage
> even though plenty dirty
> functioning soundly.  The slave and master of the
> clutch is not losing
fluid, 
> and there is an adjustabe clutch rod that was in
> the middle hole
of the 
> engage/disengage lever that is only minimally worn
> oversize.
> 
>
I am putting in a new clutch, but at this point, I can't see what
> caused my
> failure in the first place.  Don't want to wrap it all up and have
> the
same 
> problem.
> 
> Thanks for any assistance, Jim
>
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Tue Oct 18 19:58:15 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 01:58:15 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
Message-ID: <20111018.215815.4601.1@webmail57.dca.untd.com>

Rich, I have cracked or broken 2 Detroit Lockers, where the ring gear flange
attaches to the rest of the locker body.  Looks for cracks there.  Yours may
be cracked there and being cracked it may have too much run-out, putting
additional load on some teeth resulting in a gear failure.  I still have some
good internal parts if anyone needs them, since I gave up on using DLs.
Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Rich Rock <rikrock at live.com>
To: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>, "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>,
"fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:59:10 -0400

Thanks for all the  replies.  We had a ring gear lose a few teeth at Watkins
Glen and we're trying to figure out why it happened.

The TR4 has a Detroit locker and I noticed  there was no thrust button
installed, and I was wondering if that might have had something to do with
it.
Since it also has the Southwick axle conversion, that's probably not the
reason.

Big thanks to Henry Frye whose spare ring and pinion saved the weekend for
us!

Rich Rock
________________________________
From: Mike Mehl
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 3:30 PM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; rikrock at live.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions

Joe is correct;
I did the Southwick conversion and removed it.o?=
o?=
Mike


________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: rikrock at live.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions

I think it provides the spacing that allows you to set the factory spec end
play with the shims at the end of the axle housing.

If you have the Southwick conversion or IRS, Iit is not required.

Joe A.





-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Rock <rikrock at live.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:29 pm
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions


Amici,

Can someone please explain to me the function of the "thrust button"
(the cylindrical-shaped spacer that fits inside the locker between the axle
shafts) and if/why it must be installed on a solid axle car (TR-4)?

Thanks!
Rich Rock
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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Wed Oct 19 07:30:37 2011
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 08:30:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Stuff that needs a home-- and FOT Home
Message-ID: <C22F4A3F0AA3EA488D30A42FC8A4817639B2264F47@DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local>

Members,

Bunch of stuff that needs a home all offers (reasonable) considered:

Item                              Part Number/Casting number
Koni Shocks                 80-1005  New but with no rubber bushings Fit TR2,
TR3
Trans Overdrive Unit      25/633301    015107     6  875  Laycock Tag info
Transmission                 88306468   V3038          10 spline 1.15" Shaft
at the splines. Has aluminum bell housing with the slave @ 2 o clock and
starter on passenger side
Transmission                 88306468  V3038           10 spline 0.90" Shaft
has aluminum bell housing with slave at 9 o clock and starter on left side
Overdrive Shaft             got two of them
Head                            6 Port N61 by lifter area, T27, 304955
Head                            8 port with D shaped exhaust outlet, 367871,
56
Head                            8 port with round exhaust port outlet, RKO,
27B6, 0589
Crane Camshaft            F-244 210-8, BN3437
Carrillo rods                  Big end 2.0", small end 0.810, center to center
is 6.0"
Cam bearings                1-363, CSB612, 730883M, 84-25-970  MGB I think
Push rods                     New chrome moly 6.0" length???




Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax

www.dieselperformanceparts.com


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 19 08:28:22 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:28:22 +0200
Subject: [Fot] RGB Season Final Race
In-Reply-To: <1056334662.892135.1318994395339.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <000301cc8ddc$d46174e0$7d245ea0$@com>
	<1056334662.892135.1318994395339.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <004301cc8e6b$5d890f10$189b2d30$@com>

And now, something completely different:

Drift practicing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKU5y8K-Tcw

 

Cheers

Chris


From jaboruch at netzero.net  Thu Oct 20 19:36:54 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 01:36:54 GMT
Subject: [Fot] 1500 Spitfire on Craigslist
Message-ID: <20111020.213654.5613.0@webmail55.dca.untd.com>

I came across this Spitfire on the Hartford, CT Craigslist.  NFI.

Last I saw this car was at an SCCA race at Lime Rock about 10 years ago.  It
looked like a clean well sorted car.  The top left picture is on the false
grid at LRP and it looks like my TR3 is in the background.  If I did not
already have so many cars and projects I would be interested in it.  Joe(B)

____________________________________________________________
57-Year-Old Mom Looks 25
Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors!
http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4ea0cce1a6a38f7f11dst04duc


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Oct 21 07:16:17 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:16:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] 1500 Spitfire on Craigslist
In-Reply-To: <20111020.213654.5613.0@webmail55.dca.untd.com>
References: <20111020.213654.5613.0@webmail55.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1110210915100.5208@isis.mit.edu>

Here's a link:

http://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/2616551087.html

regards,
rml
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Oct 21 08:45:40 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 10:45:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] spitfire rear engine plate in aluminum
Message-ID: <8CE5E173C9F5C89-968-26D7F@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com>

I sent Rob Dardano a Spitfire plate by mistake instead of his TR6.

Rather than have him send it back, make me an offer, and we will get it to
you.

Thanks,

Joe A


From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Fri Oct 21 13:01:16 2011
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:01:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC: Looking for tow vehicle
Message-ID: <380-220111052119116818@M2W139.mail2web.com>

Hi everyone,

Brad and I have decided to start the search for a good tow vehicle. Right
now we are using a 1992 Ford F-350 diesel dually that we want to stop
shoveling money into, and have a 1990 Ford F-150 that Brad drives to work,
and a 1991 Mazda B2200 that is very rusty underneath. We figured we needed
to dump all of the above and get one truck we can tow the horse trailer and
possibly the race trailer (we usually use the Airstream or Dakota for that)
with, that he can also drive about 12 miles on a daily basis.

We thought we would tap the power of the list and ask if anyone knows of a
decent used truck we would be interested in. We are very budget-conscious
and are looking for the best deal we can get, and probably will have about
$7,500-9,500 to spend.

Specs we are interested in:
- 3/4 ton single rear axle
- Diesel preferred but will take a gas engine in the right truck
- Automatic transmission
- Towing package
- Extended cab preferred (or crew cab if the right truck)--no standard cabs
- Good a/c and heat system
- Power steering and brakes
- Good overall condition and no rust

We are willing to drive a ways to get the right truck home (we're in
central Kentucky), but far west destinations are probably out, just due to
the time/distance involved.

Thank you very much for any help you can give us!

Keep Triumphing,

Susan     :)

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From kaskas at cox.net  Fri Oct 21 16:28:20 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 22:28:20 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Sebring 1963
Message-ID: <SNT120-W56A36156DBE2438C218AAFDFE80@phx.gbl>

In going through me daughter Jane's personal items after her recent death from
a tragic accident, I found this amazing official photo of the start of the
Sebring 1963 race, and on the back all the autographs of the drivers and folks
that were around at that time including  Gordon Jennings  along with ALL of
the drivers.  It will be posted on my web site shortly, www.kaskastner.com.

Never be beaten by equipment


From gasket.works at gte.net  Fri Oct 21 20:32:13 2011
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:32:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sebring 1963
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W56A36156DBE2438C218AAFDFE80@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W56A36156DBE2438C218AAFDFE80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6FE3915F-280F-4334-A0D0-DAB462FD434A@gte.net>

What a fabulous find.  I showed the photo to Karen.  She was really thrilled
to see her father's  and mom's names there.

Mordy

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 21, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:

> In going through me daughter Jane's personal items after her recent death
from
> a tragic accident, I found this amazing official photo of the start of the
> Sebring 1963 race, and on the back all the autographs of the drivers and
folks
> that were around at that time including  Gordon Jennings  along with ALL of
> the drivers.  It will be posted on my web site shortly, www.kaskastner.com.
>
> Never be beaten by equipment
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Fri Oct 21 20:34:18 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 02:34:18 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Fw: 1500 Spitfire on Craigslist
Message-ID: <20111021.223418.29323.0@webmail55.dca.untd.com>

Sorry, for some reason the link did not stay with the note.  Here it is
http://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/2616551087.html
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: 1500 Spitfire on Craigslist
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 01:36:54 GMT

I came across this Spitfire on the Hartford, CT Craigslist.  NFI.

Last I saw this car was at an SCCA race at Lime Rock about 10 years ago.  It
looked like a clean well sorted car.  The top left picture is on the false
grid at LRP and it looks like my TR3 is in the background.  If I did not
already have so many cars and projects I would be interested in it.  Joe(B)

____________________________________________________________
60-Year-Old Mom Looks 27
Mom Reveals Free Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors!
http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4ea22beed36e3fe5beest06duc


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Oct 22 07:07:23 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:07:23 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Funny what you can do in Germany
In-Reply-To: <380-220111052119116818@M2W139.mail2web.com>
References: <380-220111052119116818@M2W139.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <001d01cc90bb$8d172490$a7456db0$@com>

A biker is passing a traffic control with 188 mph.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRyrySoJpR8&feature=related

Cheers
Chris


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Oct 22 11:30:33 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 13:30:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] MADMARX VITON SEAL     THREE KITS AVAILABLE-NOW
In-Reply-To: <8CE5EF6E7F9C5DF-2E0-2ADE1@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE5EF6E7F9C5DF-2E0-2ADE1@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CE5EF77022184D-2E0-2AE7F@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com>

I just received 15 viton seals yesterday from Chris.

After filling orders for four kits, I have three left.
At least until I am able to produce more seal housings.
These are the seals that retain the scroll function while adding a VITON LIP
SEAL in tandem.
VITON is absolutely the best seal material available for this application.
This kit does not require the machining of the crankshaft, thus avoiding that
cost and hassle.








Thanks,

Joe A


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Sat Oct 22 14:27:05 2011
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 20:27:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Owners
Message-ID: <815343688.1074298.1319315225797.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hello: 

FYI, a new (NOS) TR6 luggage rack on eBay, item number 160669834556 

GH 


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Sat Oct 22 16:22:55 2011
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:22:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR2 or 3 license plate stop light
Message-ID: <4EA3423F.8030108@cfl.rr.com>

Any help is much appreciated finding a Lucas license plate/stop light 
for the TR2/3. Just finding the base is okay too, as I have an original 
lens. Not the Chinese junk the usual suppliers are selling. Those are 
not shaped correctly.

Slowly making headway toward finishing the recreation of the 57 TR3 the 
factory raced at Sebring. Winchester blue with red interior and hardtop.

thxx,
Bob Davis


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct 22 19:43:57 2011
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:43:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
Message-ID: <1319334237.3589.YahooMailNeo@web80806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Amici,
 
If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
satellite system,
you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic Cars
with Wayne Carini.
The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs at 1am
and 4am. 
 
He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44. You
can see a
TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one.
 
Doug


From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Sun Oct 23 12:56:53 2011
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 11:56:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Correctly using the adjustable clutch rod
In-Reply-To: <20BEED40-E6D9-4090-9929-87D3D78A28A2@bnj.com>
References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
	<1318876936.81601.YahooMailRC@web180614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<5D18F7B8-A6FB-456B-95B3-FBDA43044225@gmail.com>
	<20BEED40-E6D9-4090-9929-87D3D78A28A2@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <1319396213.50080.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I see in Kas' book (book 2 I believe) page 84 where it talks about the
adjustable clutch rod, it states that the adjustable clutch rod...."allow(s) a
very fine adjustment to make certain the throwout bearing is in adjustment and
that the seals and crankshaft thrust washers are not threatened by
maladjustment 
of the rod."

My situation is that I just installed a new B&B
clutch assembly with a Koyo 
throwout bearing in my 74 TR6.  The linkage is
not completely free of movement 
due to wear but it is very minimal.  I have
adjusted the clutch rod to the stock 
length and the clutch functions but I
want to use the adjustable clutch rod as 
mentioned above.  The Koyo bearing
makes an throwout assembly that is appx. 1/16 
inch longer than stock not to
mention the bearing requiring more force to keep 
it spinning.  If I had all
stock items, I would likely use the adjustable clutch 
rod just to take up
wear in the future, but with the introduction of the Koyo 
bearing, I am
hoping to use the adjustable clutch rod as a way to have my 
components
operating optimally.  Any suggestions on how to do this would be 
greatly
appreciated.

Thanks, Jim


From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Oct 24 09:51:15 2011
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:51:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] expansion tank needed
In-Reply-To: <2115915767.943517.1319470765837.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1361812475.944332.1319471475118.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hello all, 
I'm installing an aluminum radiator in my TR3 that doesn't have the original style filler neck and I'd like to place an expansion/fill tank in the battery box area. I know that Spits, TR8s and MGBs use an expansion tank and this is the type of tank that I would prefer using. Does anyone by any chance have one of these style tanks available? 
Thanks, 
Dave H. 


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Oct 24 12:53:21 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:53:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] expansion tank needed
In-Reply-To: <1361812475.944332.1319471475118.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <02F270E5028946C18601218A271E4B37@gdhs.local>

Pegasus has a very nice one.....1.25 quart, 4.6" wide, 5.7" high,

John H. Hasty
Attorney At Law
Guthrie, Davis, Henderson & Staton, P.L.L.C.
719 East Boulevard
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203-5113
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Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 11:51 AM
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] expansion tank needed


Hello all,
I'm installing an aluminum radiator in my TR3 that doesn't have the original
style filler neck and I'd like to place an expansion/fill tank in the
battery box area. I know that Spits, TR8s and MGBs use an expansion tank and
this is the type of tank that I would prefer using. Does anyone by any
chance have one of these style tanks available?
Thanks,
Dave H.
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Oct 26 09:34:20 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 11:34:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
Message-ID: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time, 
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:


> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic 
> Cars
> with Wayne Carini.  The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs 
> at 1am
> and 4am.  He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44. You
> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>

I watched that show last night and found it very interesting.  I remember 
that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and 
Watkins Glen.  It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a Doctor 
from Mystic, CT.  It went FAST.  One thing I remember about it was that it 
went back into its enclosed trailer every night.  It then stopped showing up 
at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty' 
divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets.  At the time 
(early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me that 
it really was not for sale.  Well, apparently it has sat in the 
basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale again.  This 
time $45-50,000.00 price tag.

Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.  An 86 
year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had purchased 
in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping 
costs).  The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for 
about three quarters of a million dollars.

Wow!

Bill Dentinger


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Oct 26 10:24:30 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 09:24:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
References: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAFC3043637346AB8DBB74D8711CB778@Charly>

for those of you who may not get the Discovery Velocity station (which I 
don't) you can view a clip of the car being started @:
http://velocity.discovery.com/videos/chasing-classic-cars/  It's under the 
F40 Fix-Up
Roger of F40 Motorsports begins to work on fixing up a Triumph TR4., which 
is the company who was working on it.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillDentin at aol.com>
To: <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars


> In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>
>> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
>> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
>> Cars
>> with Wayne Carini.  The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
>> at 1am
>> and 4am.  He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44. 
>> You
>> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>
>
> I watched that show last night and found it very interesting.  I remember
> that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
> Watkins Glen.  It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a 
> Doctor
> from Mystic, CT.  It went FAST.  One thing I remember about it was that it
> went back into its enclosed trailer every night.  It then stopped showing 
> up
> at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
> divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets.  At the 
> time
> (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me 
> that
> it really was not for sale.  Well, apparently it has sat in the
> basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale 
> again.  This
> time $45-50,000.00 price tag.
>
> Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.  An 
> 86
> year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had 
> purchased
> in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
> costs).  The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
> about three quarters of a million dollars.
>
> Wow!
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Oct 26 10:25:16 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:25:16 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
References: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F04E639@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

I watched it too. Wayne Carini is asking $55K for it and it seems quite high
from a value perspective. It seemed like a nice car, but having been parked
that long I doubt it has things like a Moldex crank, Uncle Jack front hubs and
Southwick axle. As it is there seems to be a glut of TR4/4A's  for sale these
days with four on Race-cars.com with asking prices from a low of 17K up to a
high of 28.5K, and some of them have comparable "SCCA" race history. We need
some buyers to put these cars back on track!

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of BillDentin at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 10:34 AM
To: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars

In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:


> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
> Cars
> with Wayne Carini.  The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
> at 1am
> and 4am.  He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44. You
> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>

I watched that show last night and found it very interesting.  I remember
that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
Watkins Glen.  It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a
Doctor
from Mystic, CT.  It went FAST.  One thing I remember about it was that it
went back into its enclosed trailer every night.  It then stopped showing up
at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets.  At the time
(early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me that
it really was not for sale.  Well, apparently it has sat in the
basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale again.
This
time $45-50,000.00 price tag.

Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.  An 86
year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had purchased
in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
costs).  The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
about three quarters of a million dollars.

Wow!

Bill Dentinger
_______________________________________________
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From andre at gt6.ca  Wed Oct 26 10:44:59 2011
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:44:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <BAFC3043637346AB8DBB74D8711CB778@Charly>
References: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
	<BAFC3043637346AB8DBB74D8711CB778@Charly>
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http://www.gt6.ca/09/0105/slides/DSCN4284.html

Yeah we've all be down there working in the foot well.

A.

On 26 October 2011 12:24, Charly Mitchel <charly at mitchelplumbing.com> wrote:
> for those of you who may not get the Discovery Velocity station (which I
> don't) you can view a clip of the car being started @:
> http://velocity.discovery.com/videos/chasing-classic-cars/  It's under the
> F40 Fix-Up
> Roger of F40 Motorsports begins to work on fixing up a Triumph TR4., which
> is the company who was working on it.
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <BillDentin at aol.com>
> To: <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 8:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
>
>
>> In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
>> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:
>>
>>
>>> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
>>> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
>>> Cars
>>> with Wayne Carini.  The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
>>> at 1am
>>> and 4am.  He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44.
>>> You
>>> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>
>>
>> I watched that show last night and found it very interesting.  I remember
>> that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
>> Watkins Glen.  It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a
>> Doctor
>> from Mystic, CT.  It went FAST.  One thing I remember about it was that it
>> went back into its enclosed trailer every night.  It then stopped showing
>> up
>> at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
>> divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets.  At the
>> time
>> (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me
>> that
>> it really was not for sale.  Well, apparently it has sat in the
>> basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale
>> again.  This
>> time $45-50,000.00 price tag.
>>
>> Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.  An
>> 86
>> year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had
>> purchased
>> in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
>> costs).  The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
>> about three quarters of a million dollars.
>>
>> Wow!
>>
>> Bill Dentinger
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Oct 26 10:46:50 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 09:46:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
References: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
	<639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F04E639@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <8DF191C563994007848D19A0CC71B354@Charly>

I didn't see the show in it's entirety and it seems to me that if it's an 
original Group $$ (44) that it may have that kind of value.  It seems that 
racecars with prominence history have a very high value (or the sellers 
think so).
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kramer, Robert" <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>
To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars


>I watched it too. Wayne Carini is asking $55K for it and it seems quite 
>high
> from a value perspective. It seemed like a nice car, but having been 
> parked
> that long I doubt it has things like a Moldex crank, Uncle Jack front hubs 
> and
> Southwick axle. As it is there seems to be a glut of TR4/4A's  for sale 
> these
> days with four on Race-cars.com with asking prices from a low of 17K up to 
> a
> high of 28.5K, and some of them have comparable "SCCA" race history. We 
> need
> some buyers to put these cars back on track!
>
> Bob Kramer
> Southern Construction Inventory Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-687-7422 Office
> 512-657-8526 Cell
>
>
> Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things 
> turn
> out. ~John Wooden
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On 
> Behalf
> Of BillDentin at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 10:34 AM
> To: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
>
> In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>
>> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
>> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
>> Cars
>> with Wayne Carini.  The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
>> at 1am
>> and 4am.  He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44. 
>> You
>> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>
>
> I watched that show last night and found it very interesting.  I remember
> that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
> Watkins Glen.  It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a
> Doctor
> from Mystic, CT.  It went FAST.  One thing I remember about it was that it
> went back into its enclosed trailer every night.  It then stopped showing 
> up
> at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
> divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets.  At the 
> time
> (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me 
> that
> it really was not for sale.  Well, apparently it has sat in the
> basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale 
> again.
> This
> time $45-50,000.00 price tag.
>
> Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.  An 
> 86
> year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had 
> purchased
> in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
> costs).  The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
> about three quarters of a million dollars.
>
> Wow!
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Oct 26 10:47:06 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:47:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Wizard Cooling Aluminum Radiators
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F04E68D@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

I just had a good customer service experience with these guys. I've had a fair
amount of trouble with the TR4A radiator I bought from them a few years ago.
The upper hose angle was wrong, angled up instead of horizontal and although a
silicone upper hose solved the fitment problem, the radiator eventually
started leaking around the upper tank welds. I suspect that the wrong hose
angle put some extra pressure on the tube and spread the problem elsewhere.

Regardless, Wizard has changed hands since I bought my radiator, it is way out
of warranty and yet the new owners took care of me. They took the time to
understand the problem, looked at mine for repair potential and in the end
they offered to sell me a new radiator at their cost to solve the problem. The
repair quote was quite reasonable, but I was wary of an epoxy repair to an all
aluminum radiator even after fixing the upper tube problem.

YMMV

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell

Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out.
<http://walkthetalk.us1.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=8f89bce0be7e1813d8ad34
042&id=abf4a5c42b&e=7085705c50> ~John Wooden


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Oct 26 10:48:01 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:48:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1556857802.1138160.1319647681421.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

F40 Motorsports has it for sale on thei r website for $ 55K.



http://www.f40.com/inventorymanager.php?action=view&Id=372344



The good news is he will finance it.





jg



----- Original Message -----


From: BillDentin at aol.com
To: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net, fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:34:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars

In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:


> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
> Cars
> with Wayne Carini. B The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
> at 1am
> and 4am. B He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44. You
> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>

I watched that show last night and found it very interesting. B I remember
that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
Watkins Glen. B It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a
Doctor
from Mystic, CT. B It went FAST. B One thing I remember about it was that it
went back into its enclosed trailer every night. B It then stopped showing up
at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets. B At the
time
(early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me that
it really was not for sale. B Well, apparently it has sat in the
basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale again.
B This
time $45-50,000.00 price tag.

Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting. B An 86
year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had purchased
in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
costs). B The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
about three quarters of a million dollars.

Wow!

Bill Dentinger
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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Wed Oct 26 12:25:08 2011
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:25:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <1556857802.1138160.1319647681421.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1556857802.1138160.1319647681421.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <ea62897a83f08a71e6d4ff8252de647c.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

	Finance a race car?  That really sounds like a "fantastic"
idea to me...


	 


	No thanks,


	John


	 


	On Wed, October 26, 2011 12:48 pm, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:

	> F40 Motorsports has it for sale on thei r website for $ 55K.

	>

	>

	>

	> http://www.f40.com/inventorymanager.php?action=view&Id=372344

	>

	>

	>

	> The good news is he will finance it.

	>

	>

	>

	>

	>

	> jg

	>

	>

	>

	> ----- Original Message -----

	>

	>

	>

	From: BillDentin at aol.com

	> To: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net, fot at autox.team.net

	> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:34:20 AM

	> Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars

	>

	> In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,

	> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:

	>

	>

	>> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on
your cable or

	>> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing
Classic

	>> Cars

	>> with Wayne Carini. B The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm
eastern.

	>> Re-airs

	>> at 1am

	>> and 4am. B He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White
number 44.

	>> You

	>> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one.
>>>

	>

	> I watched that show last night and found it very interesting. B I
remember

	> that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America,
and

	> Watkins Glen. B It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven
well by a

	> Doctor

	> from Mystic, CT. B It went FAST. B One thing I remember about it was
that

	> it

	> went back into its enclosed trailer every night. B It then stopped
showing

	> up

	> at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a
&#39;dirty&#39;

	> divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets. B
At the

	> time

	> (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested
to me

	> that

	> it really was not for sale. B Well, apparently it has sat in the

	> basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for
sale

	> again.

	> B This

	> time $45-50,000.00 price tag.

	>

	> Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.
B An

	> 86

	> year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had

	> purchased

	> in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including
shipping

	> costs). B The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will
sell

	> for

	> about three quarters of a million dollars.

	>

	> Wow!

	>

	> Bill Dentinger

	> _______________________________________________

	> fot at autox.team.net

	>

	> http://www.fot-racing.com

	>

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Oct 26 12:29:12 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:29:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <8DF191C563994007848D19A0CC71B354@Charly>
References: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
	<639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F04E639@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>
	<8DF191C563994007848D19A0CC71B354@Charly>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1110261425450.12027@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 26 Oct 2011, Charly Mitchel wrote:

> I didn't see the show in it's entirety and it seems to me that if it's an 
> original Group $$ (44) that it may have that kind of value.  It seems that 
> racecars with prominence history have a very high value (or the sellers think 
> so).

The car in the show was def. NOT a Group 44 car.

As for the asking price, that's not for me to decide. It does look like a 
nice, clean car and it has been raced since new in '62, so it def. has 
provenance.

One of the highlights of the show for me was hearing the car bark to life. 
It sounded really sweet. :-) :-)

> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44

regards,
rml
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From LimeyV8 at aol.com  Wed Oct 26 15:15:54 2011
From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (Jack Mc)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:15:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <1556857802.1138160.1319647681421.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1556857802.1138160.1319647681421.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <A7985E00-FE95-4DD6-AF12-D66902D571A2@aol.com>

F40 Motorsports is the name of Wayne Carini's business.

The tv show must have a really long lead time between tape and air - the ad
for that car has been up on the F40 web site for well over a year

Cheers,
Jack Mc

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 26, 2011, at 12:48 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:

> F40 Motorsports has it for sale on thei r website for $ 55K.
>
>
>
> http://www.f40.com/inventorymanager.php?action=view&Id=372344
>
>
>
> The good news is he will finance it.
>
>
>
>
>
> jg
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: BillDentin at aol.com
> To: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net, fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:34:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
>
> In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>
>> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
>> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
>> Cars
>> with Wayne Carini. B The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
>> at 1am
>> and 4am. B He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44.
You
>> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>
>
> I watched that show last night and found it very interesting. B I remember
> that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
> Watkins Glen. B It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a
> Doctor
> from Mystic, CT. B It went FAST. B One thing I remember about it was that
it
> went back into its enclosed trailer every night. B It then stopped showing
up
> at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
> divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets. B At the
> time
> (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me
that
> it really was not for sale. B Well, apparently it has sat in the
> basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale
again.
> B This
> time $45-50,000.00 price tag.
>
> Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting. B An
86
> year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had purchased
> in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
> costs). B The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
> about three quarters of a million dollars.
>
> Wow!
>
> Bill Dentinger
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>
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From stutzmans at comcast.net  Wed Oct 26 17:19:02 2011
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:19:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
References: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3A51764FB8754789B6F131C9E2E12AF5@ComputerPC>

Bill,
The Dr. who owned and raced that car was Bill Colum ,my spellimg may be off. 
He never hung with the rest of us TR guys.  Sure was a nice car though.
Bruce
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillDentin at aol.com>
To: <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars


> In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>
>> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
>> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
>> Cars
>> with Wayne Carini.  The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
>> at 1am
>> and 4am.  He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44. 
>> You
>> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>
>
> I watched that show last night and found it very interesting.  I remember
> that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
> Watkins Glen.  It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a 
> Doctor
> from Mystic, CT.  It went FAST.  One thing I remember about it was that it
> went back into its enclosed trailer every night.  It then stopped showing 
> up
> at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
> divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets.  At the 
> time
> (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me 
> that
> it really was not for sale.  Well, apparently it has sat in the
> basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale 
> again.  This
> time $45-50,000.00 price tag.
>
> Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.  An 
> 86
> year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had 
> purchased
> in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
> costs).  The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
> about three quarters of a million dollars.
>
> Wow!
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Wed Oct 26 17:31:47 2011
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:31:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Charly Mitchel's  Topic #2 message , Vol 59, Issue 28
Message-ID: <0B27F106AAB64C79B2AB0BD9E54A6DA9@Bucktailus>

The Roger that Charly refers to is Roger Barr who does twist wrenches for F40.
He was my room mate in those long ago days in Germany when I was working my
way into Road Racing.  He came over to our outfit about a year prior to my
coming home and jumped right into the Sports Car scene.  He bought a used
MG-TD.  Was following me one day and disappeared. I turned around and went
back and there he was,  with the TD on its side.  Very little damage but
bruised feelings.  I am in contact with him again after all there years.  He
tells me he got into buying used / wrecked MG A's there in Germany, and
piecing them together to make a road / race units. Remember we drove our cars
to the track and that was our wheels home.  Spent to usual, as much as
possible on the Nurburgring practicing, as we all did.  He had a successful
stint back in the states making and racing Formula Vs.  I think he was  an
SCCA champ one year.  I know that, a now deceased friend, Norman  Babcock ran
into to him in California at one of the National Run offs. So that is who
"Roger " is FYI.

Bob Johns


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 07:17:04 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:17:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
References: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9NWdquYDx4s+S=0EHMQuq8b_A7BPoXJD0awuEUpF4xQDg@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, that was interesting about the TR, my wife even watched it an then
wanted to know ,jokingly, when I was going to sell, I told her just about
the time the older gentleman sold his Ferrari ! Eighty nine years old I
believe he said he was. Love to see the segment of when he sells both cars
at an auction and what he really gets. I hope that when we all get that age
that there is someone interesting in racing/running our cars....look out
flying machines !

rob deanes

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:34 AM, <BillDentin at aol.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>
> > <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
> > satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
> > Cars
> > with Wayne Carini.  The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
> > at 1am
> > and 4am.  He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44.
> You
> > can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>
>
> I watched that show last night and found it very interesting.  I remember
> that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
> Watkins Glen.  It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a
> Doctor
> from Mystic, CT.  It went FAST.  One thing I remember about it was that it
> went back into its enclosed trailer every night.  It then stopped showing
> up
> at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
> divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets.  At the
> time
> (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me
> that
> it really was not for sale.  Well, apparently it has sat in the
> basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale
> again.  This
> time $45-50,000.00 price tag.
>
> Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.  An 86
> year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had purchased
> in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
> costs).  The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
> about three quarters of a million dollars.
>
> Wow!
>
> Bill Dentinger
>  _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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TR Racer


From gasket.works at gte.net  Thu Oct 27 08:10:57 2011
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:10:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Charly Mitchel's  Topic #2 message , Vol 59, Issue 28
In-Reply-To: <0B27F106AAB64C79B2AB0BD9E54A6DA9@Bucktailus>
References: <0B27F106AAB64C79B2AB0BD9E54A6DA9@Bucktailus>
Message-ID: <A30832E2-C6DC-49D7-A752-6DEB405533E4@gte.net>

Bob

Good story.....

 Smallish world...in our group of misfits.
Mordy

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 26, 2011, at 4:31 PM, "Robert Johns" <rjohns at woh.rr.com> wrote:

> The Roger that Charly refers to is Roger Barr who does twist wrenches for
F40.
> He was my room mate in those long ago days in Germany when I was working my
> way into Road Racing.  He came over to our outfit about a year prior to my
> coming home and jumped right into the Sports Car scene.  He bought a used
> MG-TD.  Was following me one day and disappeared. I turned around and went
> back and there he was,  with the TD on its side.  Very little damage but
> bruised feelings.  I am in contact with him again after all there years.
He
> tells me he got into buying used / wrecked MG A's there in Germany, and
> piecing them together to make a road / race units. Remember we drove our
cars
> to the track and that was our wheels home.  Spent to usual, as much as
> possible on the Nurburgring practicing, as we all did.  He had a successful
> stint back in the states making and racing Formula Vs.  I think he was  an
> SCCA champ one year.  I know that, a now deceased friend, Norman  Babcock
ran
> into to him in California at one of the National Run offs. So that is who
> "Roger " is FYI.
>
> Bob Johns
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 15:10:30 2011
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:10:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Red Line Oil
References: <956913E1-72C8-40EE-A34F-1D744DE6D572@aol.com>
Message-ID: <DD28A209-0734-441C-B631-A16884B2BB47@aol.com>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Sam Clark <trdoctor at aol.com>
> Subject: Red Line Oil
> Date: October 27, 2011 4:08:02 PM CDT
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net, 6pack at autox.team.net
>
> Here is a response from Red Line on the usage.
>
> Sam,
> HTH
>
> Sorry for the confusion, your differential originally called for a SAE 90
GL-4, the MT-90 is a well suited replacement.
> A GL-4 gear oil is suitable for a zero or low offset hypoid ring and pinion
as well as straight pattern gears fitted in differentials.
> A high offset hypoid gear, where the pinion approaches the ring gear well
below it's centerline requires an extreme pressure, GL-5 type gear oil. The
note refers to late model separate differentials which typically contain a
high offset hypoid gear.
>
> Regards, Dave
> Red Line Oil


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 15:16:04 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:16:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W24EE72677AA36F7C102FC3DFD20@phx.gbl>
References: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
	<CAP9qD9NWdquYDx4s+S=0EHMQuq8b_A7BPoXJD0awuEUpF4xQDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT120-W24EE72677AA36F7C102FC3DFD20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9P9wwOWaQJ2JutKVZDTeTMPZb=mPYjXLrTzaVZ0Q+Bdpg@mail.gmail.com>

I still have 34 years.. till 89 ,.....if I can just remember as much as you
probably have forgotten i will be doing good.

rob deanes

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:

>  i am already there and then some pal, and fast cars aare still a gas.
> Don't fret, keep your mind right.
>
> Never be beaten by equipment
>
> > Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:17:04 -0400
> > From: rfdeanes at gmail.com
> > To: BillDentin at aol.com
> > CC: fot at autox.team.net
>
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
> >
>  > Yes, that was interesting about the TR, my wife even watched it an then
> > wanted to know ,jokingly, when I was going to sell, I told her just about
> > the time the older gentleman sold his Ferrari ! Eighty nine years old I
> > believe he said he was. Love to see the segment of when he sells both
> cars
> > at an auction and what he really gets. I hope that when we all get that
> age
> > that there is someone interesting in racing/running our cars....look out
> > flying machines !
> >
> > rob deanes
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:34 AM, <BillDentin at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
> > > > satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing
> Classic
> > > > Cars
> > > > with Wayne Carini. The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern.
> Re-airs
> > > > at 1am
> > > > and 4am. He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44.
> > > You
> > > > can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>
> > >
> > > I watched that show last night and found it very interesting. I
> remember
> > > that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
> > > Watkins Glen. It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by
> a
> > > Doctor
> > > from Mystic, CT. It went FAST. One thing I remember about it was that
> it
> > > went back into its enclosed trailer every night. It then stopped
> showing
> > > up
> > > at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
> > > divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets. At
> the
> > > time
> > > (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to
> me
> > > that
> > > it really was not for sale. Well, apparently it has sat in the
> > > basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale
> > > again. This
> > > time $45-50,000.00 price tag.
> > >
> > > Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting. An
> 86
> > > year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had
> purchased
> > > in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including
> shipping
> > > costs). The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell
> for
> > > about three quarters of a million dollars.
> > >
> > > Wow!
> > >
> > > Bill Dentinger
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > fot at autox.team.net
> > >
> > > http://www.fot-racing.com
> > >
> > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > rob deanes
> > TR Racer
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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> >
>



-- 
rob deanes
TR Racer


From jfrymark at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 16:11:59 2011
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:11:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
Message-ID: <E634BBE0-F961-41FD-B2D8-7981DF628F71@aol.com>

I noted the scene where the Dr. is talking about his racing days in  
past tense and over his shoulder is a top-down convertible MBZ with a  
baby seat installed. Explained it all to me: Vintage racing is an OLD  
man's game! Let the comments fly...

John Frymark


From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Oct 27 17:28:06 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:28:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <E634BBE0-F961-41FD-B2D8-7981DF628F71@aol.com>
References: <E634BBE0-F961-41FD-B2D8-7981DF628F71@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7F95F5FAE1874FAB85F9B7295CB0C0CD@Vista>

John, you are far from what I'd consider "OLD", yet you are involved in
vintage racing.  How do you square that?

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of John Frymark
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 3:12 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars

I noted the scene where the Dr. is talking about his racing days in  
past tense and over his shoulder is a top-down convertible MBZ with a  
baby seat installed. Explained it all to me: Vintage racing is an OLD  
man's game! Let the comments fly...

John Frymark
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From jfrymark at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 17:54:54 2011
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:54:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <7F95F5FAE1874FAB85F9B7295CB0C0CD@Vista>
References: <E634BBE0-F961-41FD-B2D8-7981DF628F71@aol.com>
	<7F95F5FAE1874FAB85F9B7295CB0C0CD@Vista>
Message-ID: <9291AE34-8C9A-4F21-B2DA-011955DEFA6B@aol.com>

Joe,
Yes I've been involved in vintage racing, but in 2 years when my last  
kid is through college I hope to be COMMITTED to vintage racing!

On Oct 27, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Joe Curry wrote:

> John, you are far from what I'd consider "OLD", yet you are involved  
> in
> vintage racing.  How do you square that?
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]  
> On
> Behalf Of John Frymark
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 3:12 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
>
> I noted the scene where the Dr. is talking about his racing days in
> past tense and over his shoulder is a top-down convertible MBZ with a
> baby seat installed. Explained it all to me: Vintage racing is an OLD
> man's game! Let the comments fly...
>
> John Frymark
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Oct 28 08:27:59 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:27:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
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Message-ID: <4ABD7CCBE24C4ACD88295D2DD956244D@gdhs.local>

Jon:  Don't forget grandkids and college, I speak from experience!

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars


Joe,
Yes I've been involved in vintage racing, but in 2 years when my last
kid is through college I hope to be COMMITTED to vintage racing!

On Oct 27, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Joe Curry wrote:

> John, you are far from what I'd consider "OLD", yet you are involved
> in
> vintage racing.  How do you square that?
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On
> Behalf Of John Frymark
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 3:12 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
>
> I noted the scene where the Dr. is talking about his racing days in
> past tense and over his shoulder is a top-down convertible MBZ with a
> baby seat installed. Explained it all to me: Vintage racing is an OLD
> man's game! Let the comments fly...
>
> John Frymark
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Oct 29 06:07:21 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 08:07:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Business for sale
Message-ID: <000601cc9633$50348720$f09d9560$@rogers.com>

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-30-yr-Parts-collection-TR2-TR3-TR4-TR6-TR7-T
R8-Stag-GT6-Spit-/160671995346?hash=item2568cc15d2
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-30-yr-Parts-collection-TR2-TR3-TR4-TR6-TR7-
TR8-Stag-GT6-Spit-/160671995346?hash=item2568cc15d2&item=160671995346&pt=Mot
ors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr>
&item=160671995346&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Oct 29 07:23:13 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:23:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Business for sale
Message-ID: <000b01cc963d$e98523d0$bc8f6b70$@rogers.com>

Try that again

http://tinyurl.com/44c7lvg



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Subject: [Bulk] [Fot] Triumph Business for sale

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-30-yr-Parts-collection-TR2-TR3-TR4-TR6-TR7-T
R8-Stag-GT6-Spit-/160671995346?hash=item2568cc15d2
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sat Oct 29 10:01:54 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:01:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Business for sale
Message-ID: <22794.1319904114@mitchelplumbing.com>

	Does that include the Jag E-type?

	Charly Mitchel  BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica,
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Sat Oct 29 16:49:39 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:49:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Business for sale
In-Reply-To: <22794.1319904114@mitchelplumbing.com>
References: <22794.1319904114@mitchelplumbing.com>
Message-ID: <4EAC8303.9070109@charter.net>

List
anyone interested in a limited partnership?
Glenn
On 10/29/2011 12:01 PM, Charly wrote:
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> [1]
>   R8-Stag-GT6-Spit-/160671995346?hash=item2568cc15d2
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Oct 29 19:26:46 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:26:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Business for sale
In-Reply-To: <4EAC8303.9070109@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20111029212646.H60Q1.1255094.imail@fed1rmwml44>

It would have too be extremely "limited" for me to participate.

Joe C.

---- Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net> wrote: 
> List
> anyone interested in a limited partnership?
> Glenn
> On 10/29/2011 12:01 PM, Charly wrote:
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> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-30-yr-Parts-collection-TR2-TR3-TR4-TR6-TR7-T
> > [1]
> >   R8-Stag-GT6-Spit-/160671995346?hash=item2568cc15d2
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Mon Oct 31 11:47:19 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:47:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
Message-ID: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>

Hi All

I have torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out cams.
The latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes 
severely worn.

I know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if any 
Zinc Additives are out there.

For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn 30wt break in oil, Valvoline 
Racing oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest in zinc of the diesel oils)

As these engines age their owners are going to start changing their own 
oil, Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
As I understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
I'm running it in my engine as well.

I'm now very concerned and would like to get this under control with an 
additive.

Any Suggestions?
Thanks in Advance
Glenn Franco
Too Many TR's


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon Oct 31 12:54:27 2011
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:54:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402684962@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

I've purchased a RedLine additive, referred to as a "break-in" additive,
which says it has all the ZDDP you could want.  I've been running that
in my street GT6 for a while now, with the Castrol GTX 20w50.  So far,
so good.  Hasn't been that long (a month or so?)

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Glenn Franco
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 12:47 PM
To: Friends of triumph; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.

Hi All

I have torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out
cams.
The latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes
severely worn.

I know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if any

Zinc Additives are out there.

For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn 30wt break in oil, Valvoline
Racing oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest in zinc of the diesel
oils)

As these engines age their owners are going to start changing their own
oil, Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
As I understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
I'm running it in my engine as well.

I'm now very concerned and would like to get this under control with an
additive.

Any Suggestions?
Thanks in Advance
Glenn Franco
Too Many TR's
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From emanteno at comcast.net  Mon Oct 31 13:49:05 2011
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 14:49:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <00db01cc97fe$38a02b10$a9e08130$@com>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
	<00db01cc97fe$38a02b10$a9e08130$@com>
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On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:52 PM, David Fidler <DJFidler at rogers.com> wrote:

> Glenn, there's a product called ZDDP, which you pour in when you change
> your
> oil. It's available from Moss. Also, a couple of oil companies still
> manufacture oil with high zinc content. Valvoline VR-1 and Kendall GR-1
> (Called Penzoil in the US I think?)
>


The oil from the refinery in Pennsylvania that used to market as Kendall
now sells that oil
as Brad Penn. It is the same green color as the Kendall. It is also claimed
to contain
an adequate amount of ZDDP to protect our flat tappets.

Irv Korey
74 TR6 CF22767U
Highland Park, IL


From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Oct 31 14:25:15 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 15:25:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4EAF042B.8080906@pobox.com>

If I remember the ratings, SJ was the good stuff, which is now 
impossible to find.  SM is the low zinc rating.  There is an 
intermediate SL rating which is available in straight weight oils.  That 
is what I've been using  in my old cars that I run on the street without 
using any zinc additives.  These are fair weather cars anyway, so I 
don't see the need for multi-visc.

On 10/31/2011 12:47 PM, Glenn Franco wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I have torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out 
> cams.
> The latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes 
> severely worn.
>
> I know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if 
> any Zinc Additives are out there.
>
> For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn 30wt break in oil, Valvoline 
> Racing oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest in zinc of the diesel 
> oils)
>
> As these engines age their owners are going to start changing their 
> own oil, Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
> As I understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
> I'm running it in my engine as well.
>
> I'm now very concerned and would like to get this under control with 
> an additive.
>
> Any Suggestions?
> Thanks in Advance
> Glenn Franco
> Too Many TR's
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Oct 31 15:20:31 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:20:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <4EAF042B.8080906@pobox.com>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net> <4EAF042B.8080906@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1110311707190.19297@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

Jumping on what Larry says, I think the last API rating with high zonc was 
SG. If you look around, you can find oil with that rating, but it's not 
going to be sold as automotive-use because I believe the API has an 
agreement to remove various metals (mostly zinc and manganese compounds) 
from automotive motor oil due to various reasons (like catalytic converter 
service life intervals).

That said, and echoing what others have said, the Brad Penn stuff has the 
high levels as do a number of others that are specialty oils. Do not 
assume that because the labelling says "racing" in it that this is any 
indication of the actual content of the bottle. There's a lot of 
"marketing" in automotive motor oils. You either want the SG API rating or 
you want an actual MSDS or other documentation that the oil has >1200 ppm 
of ZDDP.

Regarding the additives, you can get them from various sources including 
the big three and a few of the specialists (like Goodparts to name just 
one). There's ZDDP+ and the RedLine break-in additive to name two that 
I've used.

I've used Castrol GTX since forever and I started loosing cams in about 
1997 when the change to SJ occurred (if memory serves). It was either SJ 
or SL (I do not believe there was an SK, if you want to try to follow that 
logic). In any case, I used up cams in under 100 hours of operation on a 
race motor (12:1 TR6 motor with nothing too fancy in there and lots of 
proper break-in steps taken. But GTX used to be good stuff, now it doesn't 
seem to work the way it used to and I just use it out of habit.

Lots of FOT racers use Brad Penn - that's a pretty good endorsement in my 
book.

:-)

I don't have any data regarding the additives as I only started using them 
recently. I can say that I had ONE cam last 5 or 6 race seasons with zero 
wear / pitting on the cam and lifters, and that cam and lifters were cryo 
treated - that process def. helped in my case.

regards,
rml
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From REK46 at aol.com  Mon Oct 31 15:22:28 2011
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:22:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
Message-ID: <51ab.39dbeb68.3be06b93@aol.com>

You can buy Zddp in 4oz. botles from  
_zddplus at kirbanperformance.com...maybe_ (mailto:zddplus at kirbanperformance.com...maybe)   even find it at some 
other supplier for less ...I did.
 
 
In a message dated 10/31/2011 2:40:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
gaf3 at charter.net writes:

Hi  All

I have torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped  out 
cams.
The latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2  lobes 
severely worn.

I know this has been a topic/thread in the  past but wondered what if any 
Zinc Additives are out there.

For the  rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn 30wt break in oil, Valvoline 
Racing oil  (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest in zinc of the diesel oils)

As  these engines age their owners are going to start changing their own 
oil,  Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
As I understand that formula has  changed to the low zinc for emissions.
I'm running it in my engine as  well.

I'm now very concerned and would like to get this under control  with an 
additive.

Any Suggestions?
Thanks in Advance
Glenn  Franco
Too Many  TR's
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From REK46 at aol.com  Mon Oct 31 15:29:12 2011
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:29:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Zinc Additive.
Message-ID: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com>

Its on ebay also...free ship on 5 to more bottles...or  Google it and 
explore. Let us know if you find a MAX deal
 
 
In a message dated 10/31/2011 4:26:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
emanteno at comcast.net writes:

On Mon,  Oct 31, 2011 at 1:52 PM, David Fidler <DJFidler at rogers.com>  wrote:

> Glenn, there's a product called ZDDP, which you pour in  when you change
> your
> oil. It's available from Moss. Also, a  couple of oil companies still
> manufacture oil with high zinc content.  Valvoline VR-1 and Kendall GR-1
> (Called Penzoil in the US I  think?)
>


The oil from the refinery in Pennsylvania that used  to market as Kendall
now sells that oil
as Brad Penn. It is the same  green color as the Kendall. It is also claimed
to contain
an adequate  amount of ZDDP to protect our flat tappets.

Irv Korey
74 TR6  CF22767U
Highland Park,  IL
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Mon Oct 31 16:51:10 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 18:51:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EAF265E.8000106@charter.net>

Has anyone used the Lucas break in oil additive that contains Zinc or 
the Bardall Zinc Additive?
On a side note has anyone had an experience with the Lucas Oil 
Suppliment/Oil additive that claims to stick to rotating parts.
I pulled the pan on my 71 TR6 just before I sold it and found 1/2-3/4" 
of gell (lucas that is) on the bottom of the pan.
This is what the old STP formula used to do.
Lucas Oil products seem like snake oil to me.
Thanks
Glenn

On 10/31/2011 5:29 PM, REK46 at aol.com wrote:
> Its on ebay also...free ship on 5 to more bottles...or  Google it and
> explore. Let us know if you find a MAX deal
>
>
> In a message dated 10/31/2011 4:26:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> emanteno at comcast.net writes:
>
> On Mon,  Oct 31, 2011 at 1:52 PM, David Fidler<DJFidler at rogers.com>   wrote:
>
>> Glenn, there's a product called ZDDP, which you pour in  when you change
>> your
>> oil. It's available from Moss. Also, a  couple of oil companies still
>> manufacture oil with high zinc content.  Valvoline VR-1 and Kendall GR-1
>> (Called Penzoil in the US I  think?)
>>
>
> The oil from the refinery in Pennsylvania that used  to market as Kendall
> now sells that oil
> as Brad Penn. It is the same  green color as the Kendall. It is also claimed
> to contain
> an adequate  amount of ZDDP to protect our flat tappets.
>
> Irv Korey
> 74 TR6  CF22767U
> Highland Park,  IL
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Oct 31 17:03:34 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:03:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1110311707190.19297@isis.mit.edu>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net> <4EAF042B.8080906@pobox.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1110311707190.19297@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <016a01cc9821$51343360$0501a8c0@randall>

> Jumping on what Larry says, I think the last API rating with 
> high zonc was SG. 

Likely everyone knows this, but JIC : You can't rely on the API rating to
tell you how much zinc the oil has.  The small database I have from roughly
20 years ago shows SG oils with everywhere from 0.10 to 0.20 % zinc.  Oddly
enough, both extremes came from the same company.

And I don't believe the later API specs require reduced zinc, either, at
least not SJ, SL and SM.  The oil companies lowered it on their own (after
being "encouraged" by the EPA).

Also, there are apparently different types of Brad Penn oil, at least one of
which doesn't have high zinc:
http://www.penngrade1.com/Zinc.aspx

-- Randall  


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 17:35:14 2011
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:35:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
Message-ID: <CA+ZF2X1G3qGosVXDyHPKox-=buPQFFkPGO_OWgAW6U7B_DgPuw@mail.gmail.com>

I just bought some of this but haven't tried it yet -- GM's EOS additive:

http://tinyurl.com/3kss8hn
Duncan

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I have torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out cams.
> The latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes
> severely worn.
>
> I know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if any
> Zinc Additives are out there.
>
> For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn 30wt break in oil, Valvoline
> Racing oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest in zinc of the diesel oils)
>
> As these engines age their owners are going to start changing their own oil,
> Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
> As I understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
> I'm running it in my engine as well.
>
> I'm now very concerned and would like to get this under control with an
> additive.
>
> Any Suggestions?
> Thanks in Advance
> Glenn Franco
> Too Many TR's
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From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net  Mon Oct 31 17:36:18 2011
From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:36:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
Message-ID: <1320104178.23155.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Glenn,

You can usually find Lucas Oil ZDDP additive in most auto parts
stores.  
It's called Break Oil Additive - TB Zink Plus.
It says to use a full
bottle per oil change.
I'm using a half bottle along with Valvoline ZR-1
racing oil.  
So far no problems.

Regards,
Tim
64 Spitfire

 
________________________________
From: Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net>
To:
Friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>; 6pack at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon,
October 31, 2011 10:47:19 AM
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.

Hi All

I have
torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out cams.
The
latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes severely
worn.

I know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if
any Zinc 
Additives are out there.

For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn
30wt break in oil, Valvoline Racing 
oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest
in zinc of the diesel oils)

As these engines age their owners are going to
start changing their own oil, 
Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
As I
understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
I'm running
it in my engine as well.

I'm now very concerned and would like to get this
under control with an 
additive.

Any Suggestions?
Thanks in Advance
Glenn
Franco
Too Many TR's
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From emanteno at comcast.net  Mon Oct 31 17:38:00 2011
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 18:38:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com>
	<013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>
Message-ID: <CAFWFMyjvNDiXAiaXErz2OK20TUNVQSFfiz9w2kMqs15OhtS-yA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:36 PM, David Fidler <DJFidler at rogers.com> wrote:

> Brad Penn is still sold under the Kendall GR-1 name in Canada, available
> from Crescent Oil in Hamilton, ON.
>


According to the Brad Penn website, the Kendall name was sold to a 3rd
party when the refinery was sold. Because of that, the oil from that
refinery had to be
re-named, and they came up with Brad Penn. Kendall GR-1 may still be
available, but unless they are buying it from the company that
owns Brad Penn, it isn't the same oil that it used to be. NFI

http://www.penngrade1.com/History.aspx

Irv Korey
74 TR6 CF22767U
Highland Park, IL


From klynch_6 at msn.com  Mon Oct 31 19:26:47 2011
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:26:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Engine oil ~
Message-ID: <BLU151-ds2493300C3B41E7BC09DDDB7D70@phx.gbl>

I met our local Schaeffer Oil rep down @ Pikes Peak Raceway this last weekend.
(I admit, I'd never heard of this Midwest outfit)
I looked @ some of his data (1600-2000 ppm Zinc etc.) he was showing & then
the price just about knocked me over. $6-7 a quart isn't too shabby for race
oil. He laughed, he enjoys watching faces when they see they compare price.
(his words, not mine) Admittedly, their main market is over-the-road trucking
companies, but they decided to expand their product line-card in a big way.
In addition to our local pro r-racing teams, it seems Hendricks' Teams, some
Petty teams & various/sundry dirt track teams are using Schaeffer exclusively,
so many of you may know these guys well already.
Low marketing activity seems to equate to low costs.
So FWIW, it just may be worth a peek to some of you?

http://www.schaefferoil.com/supreme-7000-racing-oil.html<http://www.schaeffer
oil.com/supreme-7000-racing-oil.html>

Kev Lynch


From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Oct 31 19:27:06 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:27:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <1320104178.23155.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
	<1320104178.23155.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111101012720.07E56187643@autox.team.net>

Glenn, I know your question is about additives, but why not use 
something like Valvoline VR-1 synthetic?  It's not terribly 
expensive, has lots of ZDDP, shouldn't need an additive.  I do have 
to special order it, they only seem to carry the non-synthetic 
locally.  Less than half the price of Redline or such.

I always figure that the oil company itself can do a better job with 
the additive package than anything added in later.  It's what I use 
in my race motors.

http://www.valvoline.com/products/consumer-products/motor-oil/racing-motor-oil/8

"6.Which oil has more zinc/ZDDP: VR1 or "Not Street Legal" racing oil?

Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil contains .13 percent of zinc and .12 percent 
of phosphorus compared to the Valvoline "Not Street Legal" Racing Oil 
which contains .14 percent of zinc and .13 percent of phosphorus."

Tony Drews
uncle jack's racing

>________________________________
>From: Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net>
>To:
>Friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>; 6pack at autox.team.net
>Sent: Mon,
>October 31, 2011 10:47:19 AM
>Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
>
>Hi All
>
>I have
>torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out cams.
>The
>latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes severely
>worn.
>
>I know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if
>any Zinc
>Additives are out there.
>
>For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn
>30wt break in oil, Valvoline Racing
>oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest
>in zinc of the diesel oils)
>
>As these engines age their owners are going to
>start changing their own oil,
>Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
>As I
>understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
>I'm running
>it in my engine as well.
>
>I'm now very concerned and would like to get this
>under control with an
>additive.
>
>Any Suggestions?
>Thanks in Advance
>Glenn
>Franco
>Too Many TR's
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 20:17:12 2011
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:17:12 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Mille Miglia North America Tribute
Message-ID: <CACWViu-Yj1_-UA+NRRHy+v1X9dawX1Vj6BfcDhb9A7WrTekGMg@mail.gmail.com>

In a startling victory for British sports cars, the team of John Nikas and
Andy Reid in a 1953 Austin Healey 100 swept the inaugural Mille Miglia
North America Tribute finishing first in all seven stages beating a Ferrari
500 TRC, 500 Mondial, 250 Tour de  France, three Boanos (including one
driven by Alan de Cadenet, a 212 Mexico, an Allard, several Alfa Romeos and
other cars. We also took the Particpant's Choice Trophy, Best Driver and
the Spirit of the Mille Award. We also had an FOT sticker on the driver's
door and a VTR grill badge on the car. Gordon Gibbons TR3 finished third
overall as well.

-- 
Very truly yours,

John Nikas
Cape Coventry Racing
www.capecoventryracing.com
(949) 375-6306


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Oct 31 20:46:17 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 22:46:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Mille Miglia North America Tribute
In-Reply-To: <CACWViu-Yj1_-UA+NRRHy+v1X9dawX1Vj6BfcDhb9A7WrTekGMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACWViu-Yj1_-UA+NRRHy+v1X9dawX1Vj6BfcDhb9A7WrTekGMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CE665790418EAC-FD0-11B92F@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com>

 Congratulations  JOHN and ANDY!    This is going to make great copy in THE
CLASSIC MOTORSPORTS MAGAZINE.





-----Original Message-----
From: John Nikas <capecoventryracing at gmail.com>
To: FOT <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 31, 2011 9:31 pm
Subject: [Fot] Mille Miglia North America Tribute


In a startling victory for British sports cars, the team of John Nikas and
Andy Reid in a 1953 Austin Healey 100 swept the inaugural Mille Miglia
North America Tribute finishing first in all seven stages beating a Ferrari
500 TRC, 500 Mondial, 250 Tour de  France, three Boanos (including one
driven by Alan de Cadenet, a 212 Mexico, an Allard, several Alfa Romeos and
other cars. We also took the Particpant's Choice Trophy, Best Driver and
the Spirit of the Mille Award. We also had an FOT sticker on the driver's
door and a VTR grill badge on the car. Gordon Gibbons TR3 finished third
overall as well.

--
Very truly yours,

John Nikas
Cape Coventry Racing
www.capecoventryracing.com
(949) 375-6306
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Oct 31 20:58:17 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:58:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Mille Miglia North America Tribute
References: <CACWViu-Yj1_-UA+NRRHy+v1X9dawX1Vj6BfcDhb9A7WrTekGMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <403C8B0635B54F4F9BD1BF7EAE97FDEE@Bud>

Congratulations John..!
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Nikas" <capecoventryracing at gmail.com>
To: "FOT" <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 7:17 PM
Subject: [Fot] Mille Miglia North America Tribute


> In a startling victory for British sports cars, the team of John Nikas and
> Andy Reid in a 1953 Austin Healey 100 swept the inaugural Mille Miglia
> North America Tribute finishing first in all seven stages beating a 
> Ferrari
> 500 TRC, 500 Mondial, 250 Tour de  France, three Boanos (including one
> driven by Alan de Cadenet, a 212 Mexico, an Allard, several Alfa Romeos 
> and
> other cars. We also took the Particpant's Choice Trophy, Best Driver and
> the Spirit of the Mille Award. We also had an FOT sticker on the driver's
> door and a VTR grill badge on the car. Gordon Gibbons TR3 finished third
> overall as well.
>
> -- 
> Very truly yours,
>
> John Nikas
> Cape Coventry Racing
> www.capecoventryracing.com
> (949) 375-6306
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Mon Oct 31 21:01:51 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:01:51 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b3RAK55gKjtpGE3=uuWNgvsd9sVm=HegHUj0YzbVFcKcg@mail.gmail.com>

i have been using quite ordinary oils in my race 2500/TR6 engines for
almost 30 years and never had an oil related failure, eg cam lobes worn off

in recent years i have used off-shelf Mobil 1 (not the racing version). The
current version is called 15-50. See this table to check out its zinc &
phosphorous levels.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf

In my engine machine shop business we have seen this occur with flat tappet
V8 engines, especially old Ford side-valve ones and more recently Chevs,
but usually owners have filled them with very modern oils.

The "tappet" problem that people refer to is not restricted to old engines.
nearly every modern engine has a tappet (now days called a cam bucket), but
most modern OHC engines have very soft cam profiles and very large diameter
tappets. none-the-less, the oil shear problems can still occur .

.Terry


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Oct 31 21:58:06 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:58:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
References: <CA+UW8b3RAK55gKjtpGE3=uuWNgvsd9sVm=HegHUj0YzbVFcKcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <798D684E3A194181A0236F3447128CD9@Bud>

I use Mobil 1 15-50.synthetic off the shelf oil..It was recommended to me a 
few years ago by a friend who operates a race shop...
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Enquiries Road & Track" <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Zinc Additive.


>i have been using quite ordinary oils in my race 2500/TR6 engines for
> almost 30 years and never had an oil related failure, eg cam lobes worn 
> off
>
> in recent years i have used off-shelf Mobil 1 (not the racing version). 
> The
> current version is called 15-50. See this table to check out its zinc &
> phosphorous levels.
> http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf
>
> In my engine machine shop business we have seen this occur with flat 
> tappet
> V8 engines, especially old Ford side-valve ones and more recently Chevs,
> but usually owners have filled them with very modern oils.
>
> The "tappet" problem that people refer to is not restricted to old 
> engines.
> nearly every modern engine has a tappet (now days called a cam bucket), 
> but
> most modern OHC engines have very soft cam profiles and very large 
> diameter
> tappets. none-the-less, the oil shear problems can still occur .
>
> .Terry
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From gp89 at charter.net  Sat Oct  1 05:48:41 2011
From: gp89 at charter.net (Jeff Senty)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 07:48:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for membership
Message-ID: <41b01a64.c9286.132bf50920c.Webtop.45@charter.net>

    Glade was the devil that sold me a gt6, my first race car. Always 
fun to pit with him and his gorgeous daughter Chantel. Welcome to the 
Fot Glade. Great video of Glade waving at a spec Miada after he get 
pushed off at Road America.

  Jeff Senty



On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:

> Greetings Friends,
> An "old school" Triumph guy from Midwestern Council approached me with 
> a
> slew of questions about how one becomes a member of our "esteemed" 
> group.
> He had tried to get on certain parts of the web site with no luck.
> For some time he has wondered about how to be a part of FOT.
>
> I teased him last week and had him going for a while..."Oh, its very
> exclusive, I'm not sure your qualified.., There's paperwork, a long 
> process
> of initiation, evaluation, etc"...
> He said he had heard that from some other guys a while back and for a 
> long
> time just assumed it would remain a mysterious desire.
>
> I chuckled and told him "I'd see what I could do"... which is funny 
> because
> I remember watching him race when I was just a dirty kid at the track
> playing with matchbox cars in the dirt.
>
> So, I would like to nominate Glade Snodgrass to be part of our group.
> He has been racing Triumphs consistently since the mid-1970s
> Production class championships back in the day, many, many race wins 
> in 4
> decades. His Triumph resume is a mile long.
> A genuine character that has overcome many hurdles and also 
> experienced many
> defeats in these cars.
> I like and admire Glade for his ability to make his cars go very fast 
> on a
> tight budget.
> In a racing world of often extreme spending, It is easy to envy the 
> excess.
> Glades approach is also worthy of envy and somewhat refreshing.
> He would be a good addition to our group.
>
> His contact...Glade Snodgrass:
> 4everglades at comcast.net
>
> Thank You,
> Jason Ostrowski
> Friendly Ghost Racing
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From tr4.tony at virgin.net  Sat Oct  1 07:41:04 2011
From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4 Tony)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 14:41:04 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for membership
In-Reply-To: <41b01a64.c9286.132bf50920c.Webtop.45@charter.net>
References: <41b01a64.c9286.132bf50920c.Webtop.45@charter.net>
Message-ID: <CDC4B0EB-4810-4945-82F7-96BC222282BA@virgin.net>

Welcome Glade

Anyone that sells a race car to someone who would still buy them a beer has to
be a good guy !

Best regards

Tony

Sent from my iPhone

On 1 Oct 2011, at 12:48, Jeff Senty <gp89 at charter.net> wrote:

>   Glade was the devil that sold me a gt6, my first race car. Always fun to
pit with him and his gorgeous daughter Chantel. Welcome to the Fot Glade.
Great video of Glade waving at a spec Miada after he get pushed off at Road
America.
>
> Jeff Senty
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
>
>> Greetings Friends,
>> An "old school" Triumph guy from Midwestern Council approached me with a
>> slew of questions about how one becomes a member of our "esteemed" group.
>> He had tried to get on certain parts of the web site with no luck.
>> For some time he has wondered about how to be a part of FOT.
>>
>> I teased him last week and had him going for a while..."Oh, its very
>> exclusive, I'm not sure your qualified.., There's paperwork, a long
process
>> of initiation, evaluation, etc"...
>> He said he had heard that from some other guys a while back and for a long
>> time just assumed it would remain a mysterious desire.
>>
>> I chuckled and told him "I'd see what I could do"... which is funny
because
>> I remember watching him race when I was just a dirty kid at the track
>> playing with matchbox cars in the dirt.
>>
>> So, I would like to nominate Glade Snodgrass to be part of our group.
>> He has been racing Triumphs consistently since the mid-1970s
>> Production class championships back in the day, many, many race wins in 4
>> decades. His Triumph resume is a mile long.
>> A genuine character that has overcome many hurdles and also experienced
many
>> defeats in these cars.
>> I like and admire Glade for his ability to make his cars go very fast on a
>> tight budget.
>> In a racing world of often extreme spending, It is easy to envy the
excess.
>> Glades approach is also worthy of envy and somewhat refreshing.
>> He would be a good addition to our group.
>>
>> His contact...Glade Snodgrass:
>> 4everglades at comcast.net
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Jason Ostrowski
>> Friendly Ghost Racing
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
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>>
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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Sat Oct  1 20:58:58 2011
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 22:58:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for membership
In-Reply-To: <CDC4B0EB-4810-4945-82F7-96BC222282BA@virgin.net>
References: <41b01a64.c9286.132bf50920c.Webtop.45@charter.net>
	<CDC4B0EB-4810-4945-82F7-96BC222282BA@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <000e01cc80af$3b7e0b10$b27a2130$@net>

Or needs lots of help!

Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of TR4 Tony
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 9:41 AM
To: Jeff Senty
Cc: triumph friends
Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination for membership

Welcome Glade

Anyone that sells a race car to someone who would still buy them a beer has
to
be a good guy !

Best regards

Tony

Sent from my iPhone

On 1 Oct 2011, at 12:48, Jeff Senty <gp89 at charter.net> wrote:

>   Glade was the devil that sold me a gt6, my first race car. Always fun to
pit with him and his gorgeous daughter Chantel. Welcome to the Fot Glade.
Great video of Glade waving at a spec Miada after he get pushed off at Road
America.
>
> Jeff Senty
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:
>
>> Greetings Friends,
>> An "old school" Triumph guy from Midwestern Council approached me with a
>> slew of questions about how one becomes a member of our "esteemed" group.
>> He had tried to get on certain parts of the web site with no luck.
>> For some time he has wondered about how to be a part of FOT.
>>
>> I teased him last week and had him going for a while..."Oh, its very
>> exclusive, I'm not sure your qualified.., There's paperwork, a long
process
>> of initiation, evaluation, etc"...
>> He said he had heard that from some other guys a while back and for a
long
>> time just assumed it would remain a mysterious desire.
>>
>> I chuckled and told him "I'd see what I could do"... which is funny
because
>> I remember watching him race when I was just a dirty kid at the track
>> playing with matchbox cars in the dirt.
>>
>> So, I would like to nominate Glade Snodgrass to be part of our group.
>> He has been racing Triumphs consistently since the mid-1970s
>> Production class championships back in the day, many, many race wins in 4
>> decades. His Triumph resume is a mile long.
>> A genuine character that has overcome many hurdles and also experienced
many
>> defeats in these cars.
>> I like and admire Glade for his ability to make his cars go very fast on
a
>> tight budget.
>> In a racing world of often extreme spending, It is easy to envy the
excess.
>> Glades approach is also worthy of envy and somewhat refreshing.
>> He would be a good addition to our group.
>>
>> His contact...Glade Snodgrass:
>> 4everglades at comcast.net
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Jason Ostrowski
>> Friendly Ghost Racing
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sun Oct  2 10:22:04 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 12:22:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] race
Message-ID: <95538E85F76B4E4A8908C581B95C9566@owner8914bbf7f>

Hi, is anyone planning on doing the VRG race at Watkins Glen in two weeks?
I'm watching the long range weather forecast to see what the weather might
bring.
Bill


From mjb at autox.team.net  Sun Oct  2 11:56:35 2011
From: mjb at autox.team.net (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Sun,  2 Oct 2011 11:56:35 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Fot] List issues
Message-ID: <20111002175636.0053F187682@autox.team.net>

Not only is the Team.Net server taking a loooong time to get
list messages processed, the archives [ link below ] are not
getting updated properly.

In truth the messages are getting processed and put in the right
place, but for some reason the top level archive page is not showing
the updates.

And of course the mailman interface is having problems, giving
errors on various functions.

Something odd is going on, I'm looking into it.  I *really* need
to get the new server up and running!


mjb.


11:55


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sun Oct  2 16:03:37 2011
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 18:03:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] List issues
In-Reply-To: <20111002175636.0053F187682@autox.team.net>
References: <20111002175636.0053F187682@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4E88DFB9.3010806@blacksburg.net>

On 10/2/2011 1:56 PM, Mark J. Bradakis wrote:
> Not only is the Team.Net server taking a loooong time to get
> list messages processed, the archives [ link below ] are not
> getting updated properly.
>
> In truth the messages are getting processed and put in the right
> place, but for some reason the top level archive page is not showing
> the updates.
>
> And of course the mailman interface is having problems, giving
> errors on various functions.
>
> Something odd is going on, I'm looking into it.  I *really* need
> to get the new server up and running!
>
>
> mjb.
>
>    
Tnx, Mark, for all you do to keep the electrons flowing.

Memo to self: it's time to hit the Donate link again.


-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Sun Oct  2 16:19:19 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 18:19:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] race
In-Reply-To: <95538E85F76B4E4A8908C581B95C9566@owner8914bbf7f>
References: <95538E85F76B4E4A8908C581B95C9566@owner8914bbf7f>
Message-ID: <5BC0BBD4-0849-4318-BB83-4936E64A1F7F@aol.com>

My wife and I are planning on being there. Not racing but I will have FOT
swag.

Chris

Sent from my IPhone


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wrote:

> Hi, is anyone planning on doing the VRG race at Watkins Glen in two weeks?
> I'm watching the long range weather forecast to see what the weather might
> bring.
> Bill
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Oct  3 08:21:00 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:21:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for membership
In-Reply-To: <CALCydYoszffKzng9vwZ8W3mJVJgm=DqTCWFKh97S0kjJ2X1AYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7F85D8D25BC34B4D8BC25FEE75F7FDA6@gdhs.local>

Gosh, Jason, you didn't give him the secret hand shake did you?

John H. Hasty
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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jason Ostrowski
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 3:00 PM
To: triumph friends
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for membership


Greetings Friends,
An "old school" Triumph guy from Midwestern Council approached me with a
slew of questions about how one becomes a member of our "esteemed" group. He
had tried to get on certain parts of the web site with no luck. For some
time he has wondered about how to be a part of FOT.

I teased him last week and had him going for a while..."Oh, its very
exclusive, I'm not sure your qualified.., There's paperwork, a long process
of initiation, evaluation, etc"... He said he had heard that from some other
guys a while back and for a long time just assumed it would remain a
mysterious desire.

I chuckled and told him "I'd see what I could do"... which is funny because
I remember watching him race when I was just a dirty kid at the track
playing with matchbox cars in the dirt.

So, I would like to nominate Glade Snodgrass to be part of our group. He has
been racing Triumphs consistently since the mid-1970s Production class
championships back in the day, many, many race wins in 4 decades. His
Triumph resume is a mile long. A genuine character that has overcome many
hurdles and also experienced many defeats in these cars. I like and admire
Glade for his ability to make his cars go very fast on a tight budget. In a
racing world of often extreme spending, It is easy to envy the excess.
Glades approach is also worthy of envy and somewhat refreshing. He would be
a good addition to our group.

His contact...Glade Snodgrass:
4everglades at comcast.net

Thank You,
Jason Ostrowski
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Oct  3 08:56:30 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 07:56:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS rear axles
References: <CAExoegkzyrgq6V0LVBrFEPMmzZb09ZesFuBkfOqq2JJ0_5gi5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E2D63E7CAA42404989E44DADB5BC578D@Charly>

I think we need to make some clarification here on the terminology for the 
rear end.  On an IRS car first we have the inner axel  stub which attaches 
to the differential, then we have the half shafts commonly called the axels 
or drive axels, then there are the outer axel stubs or stub axels which have 
the bearings on them which ride in the carrier which has also been called 
the rear hub housing, then we have the hub or drive flange which is the 
piece the wheel bolts on to.
I've included a couple of links to illustrations of these assemblies to help 
identify the parts.

http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=36487
http://gar.zeni.net/trf/TR6bluebook/T6-V1-Drivetrain-Chassis.pdf

Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Vaden" <markvaden at gmail.com>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 10:54 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS rear axles


> Hi All,
>
> I am making some progress on my "new" TR4A race car, and I was wondering
> about axels and hubs. On my TR4 solid axle it was an important safety 
> issue
> to have the axles uprated (southwick conversion). As far as safety, On the
> IRS cars, is it enough to just get new hubs, or does the list recommend 
> new
> axles as well?
>
> Thank in advance,
> Mark
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Oct  3 09:17:14 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 11:17:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] CHRIS MARX VITON SEAL-ORDERS
Message-ID: <8CE4FF6A9E8A132-2EF0-5EF41@webmail-m030.sysops.aol.com>

I am a distribution point for the MARX VITON SEALS.

 I am in the process of asking Chris for more seals.

No margin in the seals as we are trying keep the cost low in face of low
volume runs with dedicated tooling.

So I am trying to keep my inventory low..

I have orders for four seals now, so ten does not seem like enough.

Please let me know if you are going to be ordering.

I might raise the request for seals to 15.

I need old scrolls for modification, too.

The demand is such that I may manufacture from billet stock. The cost of the
kit will go up, but I spend a lot of time soliciting for old scrolls and
preparing them.

Thanks for supporting this project to improve our Triumphs.  Remember, no
crank mods are needed.

Joe


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Oct  3 10:22:07 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 18:22:07 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <5BC0BBD4-0849-4318-BB83-4936E64A1F7F@aol.com>
References: <95538E85F76B4E4A8908C581B95C9566@owner8914bbf7f>
	<5BC0BBD4-0849-4318-BB83-4936E64A1F7F@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301cc81e8$9a2d0820$ce871860$@com>

I would say, that was one of the hardest races I ever had.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR_jGQrAGiQ

The green TR4 was greatly driven by Philippe Vermast.

Cheers
Chris


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Oct  3 13:18:47 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 21:18:47 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
References: <95538E85F76B4E4A8908C581B95C9566@owner8914bbf7f>
	<5BC0BBD4-0849-4318-BB83-4936E64A1F7F@aol.com> 
Message-ID: <002201cc8201$49af5fb0$dd0e1f10$@com>

And a different car view:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILkS5OfJldQ

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 18:22
An: '<fot at autox.team.net>'
Betreff: Dijon race of Triumph Competition

I would say, that was one of the hardest races I ever had.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR_jGQrAGiQ

The green TR4 was greatly driven by Philippe Vermast.

Cheers
Chris


From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Mon Oct  3 13:59:57 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 15:59:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gold cup
Message-ID: <op.v2skh7b8airs7i@don-pc.belkin>

Is anyone going to Gold Cup at VIR in early November?  Don

--


From jfrymark at aol.com  Mon Oct  3 14:36:05 2011
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 13:36:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot]  Dijon race of Triumph Competition
Message-ID: <8CDEE0E1-8B89-4F4C-962A-F6508B5C1674@aol.com>

Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing!

Great race, Chris!

John Frymark


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Oct  3 14:44:35 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 22:44:35 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <8CDEE0E1-8B89-4F4C-962A-F6508B5C1674@aol.com>
References: <8CDEE0E1-8B89-4F4C-962A-F6508B5C1674@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002e01cc820d$45819e10$d084da30$@com>

Sure!
How else you can make a way through a close grid.
Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-)

Thanks John!


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Frymark [mailto:jfrymark at aol.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing!

Great race, Chris!

John Frymark


From rikrock at live.com  Mon Oct  3 16:11:39 2011
From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 18:11:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] race
Message-ID: <snt0-eas4185815AB26347C4B76B208C6FA0@phx.gbl>

I'll be there crewing for Dave Miller (TR-4).

Rich Rock

-----Original Message-----
From: christopher bock
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 6:19 PM
To: william r tobin
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] race

My wife and I are planning on being there. Not racing but I will have FOT
swag.

Chris

Sent from my IPhone


On Oct 2, 2011, at 12:22 PM, "william r tobin" <william.tobin31 at verizon.net>
wrote:

> Hi, is anyone planning on doing the VRG race at Watkins Glen in two weeks?
> I'm watching the long range weather forecast to see what the weather might
> bring.
> Bill
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Oct  3 16:41:01 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 15:41:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <002e01cc820d$45819e10$d084da30$@com>
References: <8CDEE0E1-8B89-4F4C-962A-F6508B5C1674@aol.com>
	<002e01cc820d$45819e10$d084da30$@com>
Message-ID: <0F0DC03D172C4FF0AA3B0CC6469848B4@Vista>

Maybe one with the "Dixie" melody ala General Lee!  :)

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:45 PM
To: 'John Frymark'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Sure!
How else you can make a way through a close grid.
Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-)

Thanks John!


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Frymark [mailto:jfrymark at aol.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing!

Great race, Chris!

John Frymark
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From igofaster at att.net  Mon Oct  3 16:42:16 2011
From: igofaster at att.net (Bobby Whitehead)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 15:42:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] 7 " headlight stone guards?
Message-ID: <1317681736.47678.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Looking to convert a headlight bucket ( 7 " ) into a fresh air duct for my GT6 
for the carb's.... I've got the bucket that tapers down to a 4" flex hose, need 
a stone or mesh guard shaped like a 7" headlight... 

too bad, I love the look of the LUCAS decals on the metal spun buckets in the 
headlight spot but the consensus I've concluded by a lot of guys smarter than me 
is our cars need a lot of cool fresh air to the carbs.... 


Some call these stone guards? I call it a mesh or screen air filter...

Difficult locating these in the usual sources...

Joe?
Ted?
FoT?


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Mon Oct  3 16:43:50 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 00:43:50 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <0F0DC03D172C4FF0AA3B0CC6469848B4@Vista>
References: <8CDEE0E1-8B89-4F4C-962A-F6508B5C1674@aol.com>
	<002e01cc820d$45819e10$d084da30$@com>
	<0F0DC03D172C4FF0AA3B0CC6469848B4@Vista>
Message-ID: <004c01cc821d$eca76e80$c5f64b80$@com>

In a few minutes this is watchable:

Race 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HatqiYAvI7Q

Cheers
Chris

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2011 00:41
An: 'MadMarx'; 'John Frymark'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Maybe one with the "Dixie" melody ala General Lee!  :)

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:45 PM
To: 'John Frymark'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Sure!
How else you can make a way through a close grid.
Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-)

Thanks John!


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Frymark [mailto:jfrymark at aol.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing!

Great race, Chris!

John Frymark
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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Mon Oct  3 17:25:25 2011
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:25:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] transportation services needed
Message-ID: <000001cc8223$bb0f2560$312d7020$@hot-tr6.com>

I bought a removable hardtop assembly (fiberglass) for my Cobra replica car
which I use as a daily driver. This hardtop is located in the Dallas area
and I need it moved to Albuquerque, New Mexico. 

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Walt Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Oct  3 17:53:11 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:53:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Unservicable TR4A grill wanted
Message-ID: <20111003235759.B1786187667@autox.team.net>

Hey FoT,

I'm looking for a non-servicable 4A grill. You may wonder why.

I need a few horizontal bars to infill the area's where my turn signals

and crank hole are currently located. 

If you have one that can be sacrificed let me know.

 

jim g


From jason at multivintage.com  Mon Oct  3 19:26:32 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 20:26:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 7 " headlight stone guards?
In-Reply-To: <1317681736.47678.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1317681736.47678.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CALCydYpjyBPb2Z-sKpzhNr2GmoJVaa1xaM52xhvYg3VgUYHjLA@mail.gmail.com>

Bobby, In my opinion, no reason to buy expensive mesh guards which you can
buy from Pegasus and cut them to size. I'll make you ones like I have for
free (just pay me shipping). Its just aluminum window screen. I paint mine
blue. And they are period correct for about 1971.

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Bobby Whitehead <igofaster at att.net> wrote:

> Looking to convert a headlight bucket ( 7 " ) into a fresh air duct for my
> GT6
> for the carb's.... I've got the bucket that tapers down to a 4" flex hose,
> need
> a stone or mesh guard shaped like a 7" headlight...
>
> too bad, I love the look of the LUCAS decals on the metal spun buckets in
> the
> headlight spot but the consensus I've concluded by a lot of guys smarter
> than me
> is our cars need a lot of cool fresh air to the carbs....
>
>
> Some call these stone guards? I call it a mesh or screen air filter...
>
> Difficult locating these in the usual sources...
>
> Joe?
> Ted?
> FoT?
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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From stlnyc at msn.com  Mon Oct  3 19:40:24 2011
From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 19:40:24 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Opinions
In-Reply-To: <8FB73F358B91FE42A41727280DFD98FA504D389316@STLEXVN01P.centene.com>
References: <SNT125-W19559920285E4590C1D339DA0E0@phx.gbl>,
	<8FB73F358B91FE42A41727280DFD98FA504D389316@STLEXVN01P.centene.com>
Message-ID: <SNT125-W53332C36D0D2CBDA2A3D60DAFB0@phx.gbl>

Amici-

Thanks to those that responded.  I ran the tires over the weekend at the RMVR
enduro at HPR.  On Saturday during practice/qualifying & the sprint races, the
worked quite well.  I started with 24F/25R & bled them back to that as they
grew.  After the initial warm-up, they didn't increase more than 1 or 2 lbs.
(initial was 5 lbs.)  They had good grip & were quite predictable.  The enduro
was 1 hr. 45 min. w/2 mandatory 10 min. stops.  I worked them past their happy
spot but; though slippery, they remained predictable.  Great sound effects &
impressive slides/drifts but no-so-good lap times.  Definitely good for short
races.

Fred Hodgson


> From: JWILEY at CENTENE.COM
> To: stlnyc at msn.com; fot at autox.team.net
> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 08:19:25 -0500
> Subject: RE: [Fot] Opinions
>
> I am running around 25 lbs cold
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Fred & Mary Hodgson
> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 6:34 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Opinions
>
> Amici-
>
> Has anyone used Dunlop Direzzas on a race car? If so, how'd they work &
what
> pressures were you running? I'm running a '62 TR4.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Mon Oct  3 22:55:12 2011
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 23:55:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hallett Vintage Races
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1823.1317692443.19533.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1823.1317692443.19533.fot@autox.team.net>
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Is anyone going to the vintage races @ Hallett this weekend?  Larry Young and
I plan on attending.  Larry will be driving his new "sportscar".

Sam
Green Country Triumphs
Tulsa, OK


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Tue Oct  4 06:27:37 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 12:27:37 +0000
Subject: [Fot] 7 " headlight stone guards?
In-Reply-To: <1317681736.47678.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1317681736.47678.YahooMailRC@web180820.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F03626B@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

Bobby,

I don't think that will be legal in CVAR.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Bobby Whitehead
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 5:42 PM
To: FoT Triumph
Subject: [Fot] 7 " headlight stone guards?

Looking to convert a headlight bucket ( 7 " ) into a fresh air duct for my GT6
for the carb's.... I've got the bucket that tapers down to a 4" flex hose,
need a stone or mesh guard shaped like a 7" headlight...

too bad, I love the look of the LUCAS decals on the metal spun buckets in the
headlight spot but the consensus I've concluded by a lot of guys smarter than
me is our cars need a lot of cool fresh air to the carbs....


Some call these stone guards? I call it a mesh or screen air filter...

Difficult locating these in the usual sources...

Joe?
Ted?
FoT?
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From jsnook at wcnet.org  Tue Oct  4 07:11:44 2011
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:11:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gold Cup
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1823.1317692443.19533.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1823.1317692443.19533.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <004a01cc8297$2a982b70$7fc88250$@org>

I'll be there with my TR3A.

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
419-344-0319 (Mobile)


From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Tue Oct  4 08:28:38 2011
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:28:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Stuff that needs a home.. a FOT home!!
Message-ID: <C22F4A3F0AA3EA488D30A42FC8A4817639B2264728@DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local>

Members,

Here's a list of parts that need a home with a FOT Member, all offers
considered, but let's be realistic etc.

Part                              Numbers that are cast into it somewhere on
the part

Intake Manifold             307265  V2989   A 1147 aluminum intake I think??
Koni Shocks                 80-1005  TR at -3 from what I can find out, new with
no rubber mounts though
Trans Overdrive Unit      25/633301    015107     6  875  Laycock Tag info
Missing some stuff but mostly there
Cannon Dual Intake       806  or 908 depends which way you hold it. Looks to
be an 1300/1500 dual Webber but I don't know.
Crankshaft                    WDB  W2156  308737   17746N  JOSB   Supposedly a
new never run crank that has been hard chromed Mains are 2.3" and rods are
1.88"
Transmission                 88306468   V3038          10 spline 1.15" Shaft
at the splines. Has aluminum bell housing with the slave @ 2 o clock and
starter on passenger side
Transmission                 88306468  V3038           10 spline 0.90" Shaft
has aluminum bell housing with slave at 9 o clock and starter on left side
Block                            311255 (between freeze plugs) FK5785HE, mains
are 2.44" recessed cylinder bores
Block                            307553 (between freeze plugs), Been decked so
no deck surface number, mains are 2.44" and the bore is 2.94"
Head                            6 Port N61 by lifter area, T27, 304955
Head                            8 port with D shaped exhaust outlet, 367871,
56
Head                            8 port with round exhaust port outlet, RKO,
27B6, 0589
Crane Camshaft            F-244 210-8, BN3437
Flywheel                       Aluminum with replaceable friction area steel
insert, 50-522 Seems to match my Spitfire one.
Pistons                         17753B
Carrillo rods                  Big end 2.0", small end 0.810, center to center
is 6.0"
Cam bearings                1-363, CSB612, 730883M, 84-25-970  MG I think
Push rods                     New chrome moly 6.0" length???


Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax

www.dieselperformanceparts.com


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Tue Oct  4 08:38:02 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:38:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gold Cup
In-Reply-To: <004a01cc8297$2a982b70$7fc88250$@org>
References: <mailman.1823.1317692443.19533.fot@autox.team.net>
	<004a01cc8297$2a982b70$7fc88250$@org>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9NihS2HObhaXZyiepoWca7Vjn85j19_ReO+ud1rBf0T9w@mail.gmail.com>

Good there may be five or six of  us....should be a good event...VIR usually
is

rob deanes

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Jeff Snook <jsnook at wcnet.org> wrote:

> I'll be there with my TR3A.
>
> Jeff Snook
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Oct  4 09:37:52 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:37:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need car transported - Albuquerque to Dayton, OH
Message-ID: <4E8B2850.9000704@pobox.com>

If anyone would can help out, let me know off list.

Larry


From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Oct  4 09:40:56 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:40:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Hallett Vintage Races
In-Reply-To: <CE577180-9D33-4A38-BAD1-8F9A22A7B6AA@aol.com>
References: <mailman.1823.1317692443.19533.fot@autox.team.net>
	<CE577180-9D33-4A38-BAD1-8F9A22A7B6AA@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4E8B2908.4030600@pobox.com>

I saw that Gary Fuqua and Bobby Whitehead have carports, so I assume 
they will be there. Yeah, I'm driving out in my Poor Man's Bugatti 
(http://mtfctulsa.com/ABC_Bodies).

On 10/3/2011 11:55 PM, Sam Clark wrote:
> Is anyone going to the vintage races @ Hallett this weekend?  Larry Young and
> I plan on attending.  Larry will be driving his new "sportscar".
>
> Sam
> Green Country Triumphs
> Tulsa, OK
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Oct  4 10:55:20 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 18:55:20 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <0F0DC03D172C4FF0AA3B0CC6469848B4@Vista>
References: <8CDEE0E1-8B89-4F4C-962A-F6508B5C1674@aol.com>
	<002e01cc820d$45819e10$d084da30$@com>
	<0F0DC03D172C4FF0AA3B0CC6469848B4@Vista>
Message-ID: <003201cc82b6$67c31a40$37494ec0$@com>

I would like to add race 2, with a little accident at corner one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udoqP6PPPKU


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2011 00:41
An: 'MadMarx'; 'John Frymark'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: RE: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Maybe one with the "Dixie" melody ala General Lee!  :)

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MadMarx
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:45 PM
To: 'John Frymark'
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Sure!
How else you can make a way through a close grid.
Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-)

Thanks John!


-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: John Frymark [mailto:jfrymark at aol.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36
An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing!

Great race, Chris!

John Frymark
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Tue Oct  4 12:07:05 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 18:07:05 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Hallett Vintage Races
In-Reply-To: <4E8B2908.4030600@pobox.com>
References: <mailman.1823.1317692443.19533.fot@autox.team.net>
	<CE577180-9D33-4A38-BAD1-8F9A22A7B6AA@aol.com>
	<4E8B2908.4030600@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F03696E@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

You know the length of tow having done it to TWS so many times. A Hallett
weekend is now over a grand without wear and tear and we now have the Eagles
Canyon weekend for a break from TWS, and it's a lot closer. I'll make it back
there soon. Maybe next year will be better financially.

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Larry Young
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:41 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Hallett Vintage Races

I saw that Gary Fuqua and Bobby Whitehead have carports, so I assume they will
be there. Yeah, I'm driving out in my Poor Man's Bugatti
(http://mtfctulsa.com/ABC_Bodies).

On 10/3/2011 11:55 PM, Sam Clark wrote:
> Is anyone going to the vintage races @ Hallett this weekend?  Larry
> Young and I plan on attending.  Larry will be driving his new "sportscar".
>
> Sam
> Green Country Triumphs
> Tulsa, OK
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue Oct  4 12:15:39 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2011 13:15:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS rear axles
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W40332C555F1D5A0BA65AC7DFF70@phx.gbl>
References: <CAExoegkzyrgq6V0LVBrFEPMmzZb09ZesFuBkfOqq2JJ0_5gi5Q@mail.gmail.com>,
	<16741771F6444D589F265D7E56253EBE@owner8914bbf7f>
	<SNT120-W40332C555F1D5A0BA65AC7DFF70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4E8B4D4B.8090309@pobox.com>

Maybe they were on to you due to prior history??

On 9/30/2011 6:15 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:
> Just for once it was straight with no hidden agendas. Oh well.


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Tue Oct  4 12:16:09 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 18:16:09 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Need car transported - Albuquerque to Dayton, OH
In-Reply-To: <4E8B2850.9000704@pobox.com>
References: <4E8B2850.9000704@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F0369AB@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

Is Tom on the move?

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Larry Young
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:38 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Need car transported - Albuquerque to Dayton, OH

If anyone would can help out, let me know off list.

Larry
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From SeaCubeCo at aol.com  Tue Oct  4 14:32:24 2011
From: SeaCubeCo at aol.com (christopher bock)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:32:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <003201cc82b6$67c31a40$37494ec0$@com>
References: <8CDEE0E1-8B89-4F4C-962A-F6508B5C1674@aol.com>
	<002e01cc820d$45819e10$d084da30$@com>
	<0F0DC03D172C4FF0AA3B0CC6469848B4@Vista>
	<003201cc82b6$67c31a40$37494ec0$@com>
Message-ID: <14C59CD5-006E-4513-A3C6-18299A490482@aol.com>

WOW.  i hope everyone was ok.  Kind of tough to see exactly what happened in
your rear view.


On Oct 4, 2011, at 12:55 PM, MadMarx wrote:

> I would like to add race 2, with a little accident at corner one.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udoqP6PPPKU
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2011 00:41
> An: 'MadMarx'; 'John Frymark'
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: RE: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
>
> Maybe one with the "Dixie" melody ala General Lee!  :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of MadMarx
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:45 PM
> To: 'John Frymark'
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
>
> Sure!
> How else you can make a way through a close grid.
> Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-)
>
> Thanks John!
>
>
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: John Frymark [mailto:jfrymark at aol.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36
> An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
>
> Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing!
>
> Great race, Chris!
>
> John Frymark
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Oct  4 14:40:44 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 20:40:44 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
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References: <8CDEE0E1-8B89-4F4C-962A-F6508B5C1674@aol.com>
	<002e01cc820d$45819e10$d084da30$@com>
	<0F0DC03D172C4FF0AA3B0CC6469848B4@Vista>
	<003201cc82b6$67c31a40$37494ec0$@com>
	<14C59CD5-006E-4513-A3C6-18299A490482@aol.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.49.1638252565.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

Damage report:
- Monza sprite smashed at rear and front.
- gray TR4 flat at the front to the wheels
- Spitfire front slightly bended
- my TR's right door damaged

All drivers are okay.

Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone

-----Original Message-----
From: christopher bock <SeaCubeCo at aol.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:32:24 
To: MadMarx<tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

WOW.  i hope everyone was ok.  Kind of tough to see exactly what happened in your rear view.


On Oct 4, 2011, at 12:55 PM, MadMarx wrote:

> I would like to add race 2, with a little accident at corner one.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udoqP6PPPKU
> 
> 
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2011 00:41
> An: 'MadMarx'; 'John Frymark'
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: RE: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
> 
> Maybe one with the "Dixie" melody ala General Lee!  :)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of MadMarx
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:45 PM
> To: 'John Frymark'
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
> 
> Sure!
> How else you can make a way through a close grid.
> Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-)
> 
> Thanks John!
> 
> 
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: John Frymark [mailto:jfrymark at aol.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36
> An: tr4racing at googlemail.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
> 
> Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing!
> 
> Great race, Chris!
> 
> John Frymark
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue Oct  4 15:52:34 2011
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 22:52:34 +0100
Subject: [Fot] End of his first season as a pro
Message-ID: <6B44E790A14A4501BFC4DF8CB49F8480@homekeith>

Dear All,

 

Thought I would get a few bragging rights in...

 

My son Josh has just finished his first season as a professional driver and
has more than exceeded expectations; he has finished 7th overall in the
championship (out of 29 drivers), is the top placed rookie, has multiple top
10 finishes, 2 podiums (a 2nd and a 3rd) and numerous fastest laps; what a
great year for him.

 

He has 3 teams chasing his signature for 2012 and, and this is a good one,
has Dennis Rushen wanting to manage him; Dennis used to manage a certain
Ayrton Senna in his F3 days...

 

On top of his saloon car exploits he has also won in his TR6, taken so many
podiums and lap records and did pretty well at the Eifel Classic on the
Nurburgring Nordschleife starting 40th on the grid to go to 1st by the end
of the 1st lap and from 140th to 22nd overall by the end of his 60 minute
stint. We eventually came 2nd behind Mario who was the deserved European
Kastner Cup winner.

 

As I said at the beginning, bragging rights :-)

 

Cheers, 

 

Keith.


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue Oct  4 17:05:02 2011
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 23:05:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <20111004224123.82875187895@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <908370088.209114.1317769502619.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Heck, at every drivers meeting I've been told that vintage racing is a non-contact sport! 

Gary 

----- Original Message -----
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com 
To: "christopher bock" <SeaCubeCo at aol.com> 
Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 1:40:44 PM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 

Damage report: 
- Monza sprite smashed at rear and front. 
- gray TR4 flat at the front to the wheels 
- Spitfire front slightly bended 
- my TR's right door damaged 

All drivers are okay. 

Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone 

-----Original Message----- 
From: christopher bock <SeaCubeCo at aol.com> 
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:32:24 
To: MadMarx<tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 

WOW. i hope everyone was ok. Kind of tough to see exactly what happened in your rear view. 


On Oct 4, 2011, at 12:55 PM, MadMarx wrote: 

> I would like to add race 2, with a little accident at corner one. 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udoqP6PPPKU 
> 
> 
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- 
> Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] 
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2011 00:41 
> An: 'MadMarx'; 'John Frymark' 
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
> Betreff: RE: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 
> 
> Maybe one with the "Dixie" melody ala General Lee! :) 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On 
> Behalf Of MadMarx 
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:45 PM 
> To: 'John Frymark' 
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 
> 
> Sure! 
> How else you can make a way through a close grid. 
> Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-) 
> 
> Thanks John! 
> 
> 
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- 
> Von: John Frymark [mailto:jfrymark at aol.com] 
> Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36 
> An: tr4racing at googlemail.com 
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
> Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 
> 
> Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing! 
> 
> Great race, Chris! 
> 
> John Frymark 
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Tue Oct  4 17:41:16 2011
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 19:41:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gold Cup
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	<004a01cc8297$2a982b70$7fc88250$@org>
Message-ID: <1C5928FBCFA94AE2927D50D97EDDF462@userb38463fba5>

A few of the WPTA faithful are planning on going.

JVV
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Gold Cup


> I'll be there with my TR3A.
>
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> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Tue Oct  4 17:45:53 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 19:45:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] End of his first season as a pro
In-Reply-To: <6B44E790A14A4501BFC4DF8CB49F8480@homekeith>
References: <6B44E790A14A4501BFC4DF8CB49F8480@homekeith>
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 egads!  congratulations JOSH!


 you and Josh coming to THE 10TH KASTNER CUP?   anything in the works on
that?

Joe






-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com>
To: n197tr4 <n197tr4 at cs.com>; 'Kas Kastner' <kaskas at cox.net>; 'Jeff Snook'
<jsnook at wcnet.org>; 'Tony Drews' <tony at tonydrews.com>; 'John Nikas'
<capecoventryracing at gmail.com>; fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Oct 4, 2011 4:52 pm
Subject: End of his first season as a pro



Dear All,

Thought I would get a few bragging rights inb&..

My son Josh has just finished his first season as aprofessional driver and has
more than exceeded expectations; he has finished 7thoverall in the
championship (out of 29 drivers), is the top placed rookie, hasmultiple top 10
finishes, 2 podiums (a 2nd and a 3rd) andnumerous fastest laps; what a great
year for him.

He has 3 teams chasing his signature for 2012 and, and thisis a good one, has
Dennis Rushen wanting to manage him; Dennis used to manage acertain Ayrton
Senna in his F3 daysb&..

On top of his saloon car exploits he has also won in his TR6,taken so many
podiums and lap records and did pretty well at the Eifel Classicon the
Nurburgring Nordschleife starting 40th on the grid to go to 1stby the end of
the 1st lap and from 140th to 22ndoverall by the end of his 60 minute stint.
We eventually came 2nd behindMario who was the deserved European Kastner Cup
winner.

As I said at the beginning, bragging rights J

Cheers,

Keith.


From budscars at comcast.net  Tue Oct  4 18:05:42 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 17:05:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] End of his first season as a pro
References: <6B44E790A14A4501BFC4DF8CB49F8480@homekeith>
Message-ID: <25DB4586296849C199B485AEA7C9C6CC@Bud>

Congratulations!..that's Terrific!
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Files" <keithfiles at btinternet.com>
To: <n197tr4 at cs.com>; "'Kas Kastner'" <kaskas at cox.net>; "'Jeff Snook'" 
<jsnook at wcnet.org>; "'Tony Drews'" <tony at tonydrews.com>; "'JohnNikas'" 
<capecoventryracing at gmail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 2:52 PM
Subject: [Fot] End of his first season as a pro


> Dear All,
>
>
>
> Thought I would get a few bragging rights in...
>
>
>
> My son Josh has just finished his first season as a professional driver 
> and
> has more than exceeded expectations; he has finished 7th overall in the
> championship (out of 29 drivers), is the top placed rookie, has multiple 
> top
> 10 finishes, 2 podiums (a 2nd and a 3rd) and numerous fastest laps; what a
> great year for him.
>
>
>
> He has 3 teams chasing his signature for 2012 and, and this is a good one,
> has Dennis Rushen wanting to manage him; Dennis used to manage a certain
> Ayrton Senna in his F3 days...
>
>
>
> On top of his saloon car exploits he has also won in his TR6, taken so 
> many
> podiums and lap records and did pretty well at the Eifel Classic on the
> Nurburgring Nordschleife starting 40th on the grid to go to 1st by the end
> of the 1st lap and from 140th to 22nd overall by the end of his 60 minute
> stint. We eventually came 2nd behind Mario who was the deserved European
> Kastner Cup winner.
>
>
>
> As I said at the beginning, bragging rights :-)
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Keith.
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  4 20:49:40 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 22:49:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tow vehicle
Message-ID: <BLU160-W456894E16E21E322881D06BAF80@phx.gbl>

Anybody out there using one of the new F-150 with the ecoboost v6 engine as a
tow vehicle?  With the max tow package they appear to be rated 4000 lb more
than my 5.4 F-150.  Marty


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Oct  5 00:02:48 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (tr4racing at googlemail.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 06:02:48 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition
In-Reply-To: <908370088.209114.1317769502619.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <20111004224123.82875187895@autox.team.net>
	<908370088.209114.1317769502619.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.50.1638252565.13061.fot@autox.team.net>

Absolutely right and for the next race I will hold a speach about at the drivers meeting.
Cause for this was the too late braking of a Spitfire and a MG GT.

Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 23:05:02 
To: <tr4racing at googlemail.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>; christopher bock<SeaCubeCo at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition

Heck, at every drivers meeting I've been told that vintage racing is a non-contact sport! 

Gary 

----- Original Message -----
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com 
To: "christopher bock" <SeaCubeCo at aol.com> 
Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 1:40:44 PM 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 

Damage report: 
- Monza sprite smashed at rear and front. 
- gray TR4 flat at the front to the wheels 
- Spitfire front slightly bended 
- my TR's right door damaged 

All drivers are okay. 

Gesendet mit BlackBerry von Vodafone 

-----Original Message----- 
From: christopher bock <SeaCubeCo at aol.com> 
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:32:24 
To: MadMarx<tr4racing at googlemail.com> 
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 

WOW. i hope everyone was ok. Kind of tough to see exactly what happened in your rear view. 


On Oct 4, 2011, at 12:55 PM, MadMarx wrote: 

> I would like to add race 2, with a little accident at corner one. 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udoqP6PPPKU 
> 
> 
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- 
> Von: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] 
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. Oktober 2011 00:41 
> An: 'MadMarx'; 'John Frymark' 
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
> Betreff: RE: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 
> 
> Maybe one with the "Dixie" melody ala General Lee! :) 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On 
> Behalf Of MadMarx 
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:45 PM 
> To: 'John Frymark' 
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 
> 
> Sure! 
> How else you can make a way through a close grid. 
> Maybe I should swap the stock car horn against a melody type :-) 
> 
> Thanks John! 
> 
> 
> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- 
> Von: John Frymark [mailto:jfrymark at aol.com] 
> Gesendet: Montag, 3. Oktober 2011 22:36 
> An: tr4racing at googlemail.com 
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net 
> Betreff: [Fot] Dijon race of Triumph Competition 
> 
> Was that a car HORN???? There are no car horns in vintage racing! 
> 
> Great race, Chris! 
> 
> John Frymark 
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct  5 05:47:38 2011
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 04:47:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Tow vehicle
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-W456894E16E21E322881D06BAF80@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU160-W456894E16E21E322881D06BAF80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1317815258.51689.YahooMailNeo@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Marty,
 
I've got one. Haven't towed with it yet, but it is rated for 11,300
pounds. If
you want to get a new one, let me know, I can get you X-Plan. The
only
complaint I have is that the mirrors don't have power fold capability. I
have
to open my window to fold them in and out when I put it in my garage.
 
For 2012, the 4x4 version will have a 36 gallon fuel tank. You could drive
from Toledo to Road Atlanta without stopping (for fuel).
 
Doug

From: marty
sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday,
October 4, 2011 10:49 PM
Subject: [Fot] Tow vehicle

Anybody out there using
one of the new F-150 with the ecoboost v6 engine as a
tow vehicle?  With the
max tow package they appear to be rated 4000 lb more
than my 5.4 F-150.  Marty
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Oct  5 08:09:34 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 16:09:34 +0200
Subject: [Fot] TR 3 / 4 Distributor gear failure
In-Reply-To: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com>
References: <20110928.220043.12718.0@webmail59.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <002401cc8368$6a785450$3f68fcf0$@com>

I would like to give an update:

I did a hardness check on the distributor gear:

HRC 38 to 43 (stock)
After plasma nitrating
48 - 54 HRC

So the surface is now harder and I'll report how the gear will behave.

Cheers
Chris


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Wed Oct  5 08:20:39 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 10:20:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gold Cup
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I'll be there in my TR3A as well.

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Gold Cup


A few of the WPTA faithful are planning on going.

JVV
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Snook" <jsnook at wcnet.org>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Gold Cup


> I'll be there with my TR3A.
>
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Oct  5 17:56:22 2011
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 18:56:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tow vehicle
References: <BLU160-W456894E16E21E322881D06BAF80@phx.gbl>
	<1317815258.51689.YahooMailNeo@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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That is more tow capacity than my 2500HD. I doubt it would tow as nicely but 
I'd love to hear how it does. I have a 28' enclosed trailer that hit's it's 
10 grand payload with the two TR4 ensconced. My 2500HD does fairly well with 
the load with the help of a load leveling hitch. Tidbit, this truck is over 
125,000 miles on the original brakes with no sign of needing pads anytime 
soon.

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX

Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch 
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Mitchell" <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>
To: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tow vehicle


> Marty,
>
> I've got one. Haven't towed with it yet, but it is rated for 11,300
> pounds. If
> you want to get a new one, let me know, I can get you X-Plan. The
> only
> complaint I have is that the mirrors don't have power fold capability. I
> have
> to open my window to fold them in and out when I put it in my garage.
>
> For 2012, the 4x4 version will have a 36 gallon fuel tank. You could drive
> from Toledo to Road Atlanta without stopping (for fuel).
>
> Doug
>
> From: marty
> sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday,
> October 4, 2011 10:49 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Tow vehicle
>
> Anybody out there using
> one of the new F-150 with the ecoboost v6 engine as a
> tow vehicle?  With the
> max tow package they appear to be rated 4000 lb more
> than my 5.4 F-150.  Marty
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct  6 16:36:12 2011
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 15:36:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Tow vehicle
In-Reply-To: <78BC0B3FC95740E490ED6C4AAE68B323@latitudefb1e41>
References: <BLU160-W456894E16E21E322881D06BAF80@phx.gbl>
	<1317815258.51689.YahooMailNeo@web80803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<78BC0B3FC95740E490ED6C4AAE68B323@latitudefb1e41>
Message-ID: <1317940572.53504.YahooMailNeo@web80808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Check out the You Tube video tests on the 'Hero' engine in the F150. They ran
the engine on the dyno for the equivalant of 150,000 miles. Then put it in a
F150 and towed logs out of a forest in Oregon. They then took the truck down
to Alabama and towed 11300 lbs for 24 hours averaging 80+ mph. They then took
then engine out and put it in a Raptor and ran the Baja. They put it back on
the dyno and the hp and torque numbers matched the original. They tore the
engine down at the North American International Auto Show and it showed no
appreciable wear.

Doug

 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Kramer
<rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
To: Doug Mitchell <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>; marty
sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>; fot at autox.team.net
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, October
5, 2011 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tow vehicle

That is more tow capacity than
my 2500HD. I doubt it would tow as nicely but I'd love to hear how it does. I
have a 28' enclosed trailer that hit's it's 10 grand payload with the two TR4
ensconced. My 2500HD does fairly well with the load with the help of a load
leveling hitch. Tidbit, this truck is over 125,000 miles on the original
brakes with no sign of needing pads anytime soon.

Bob Kramer
Volente, TX
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch
excellence.
Vince Lombardi
----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Mitchell"
<dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>
To: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>;
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 6:47 AM
Subject: Re:
[Fot] Tow vehicle


> Marty,
> 
> I've got one. Haven't towed with it yet, but
it is rated for 11,300
> pounds. If
> you want to get a new one, let me know,
I can get you X-Plan. The
> only
> complaint I have is that the mirrors don't
have power fold capability. I
> have
> to open my window to fold them in and
out when I put it in my garage.
> 
> For 2012, the 4x4 version will have a 36
gallon fuel tank. You could drive
> from Toledo to Road Atlanta without
stopping (for fuel).
> 
> Doug
> 
> From: marty
> sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday,
> October 4, 2011 10:49 PM
>
Subject: [Fot] Tow vehicle
> 
> Anybody out there using
> one of the new F-150
with the ecoboost v6 engine as a
> tow vehicle?  With the
> max tow package
they appear to be rated 4000 lb more
> than my 5.4 F-150.  Marty
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Sat Oct  8 11:53:44 2011
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 12:53:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Joe Curry
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402684714@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Sorry to bomb the list... Joe, the number you're looking for is FM 20289 U.

Scott B.


From horizonracing at msn.com  Sun Oct  9 11:06:48 2011
From: horizonracing at msn.com (Tony and Annie Garmey)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 10:06:48 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR250K
Message-ID: <SNT141-W46A8EB26F71ED6533AFBFB2FC0@phx.gbl>

Hi All,
For those in the LA area, The TR250K has been invited and will be at  the Art
Centre College of Design in Pasadena ..."Art Center car Classic, California
Design:Influencing Change", Oct. 23 (11-5)
A display of vehicles of all eras, Classic to Modern and concept cars as well
as aircraft and watercraft.


From budscars at comcast.net  Sun Oct  9 12:56:02 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 11:56:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR250K
References: <SNT141-W46A8EB26F71ED6533AFBFB2FC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B7E08C792F6C4B12AC7443580A1C54E1@Bud>

Congratulations Tony!....
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony and Annie Garmey" <horizonracing at msn.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 10:06 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR250K


> Hi All,
> For those in the LA area, The TR250K has been invited and will be at  the 
> Art
> Centre College of Design in Pasadena ..."Art Center car Classic, 
> California
> Design:Influencing Change", Oct. 23 (11-5)
> A display of vehicles of all eras, Classic to Modern and concept cars as 
> well
> as aircraft and watercraft.
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From harmug at us.ibm.com  Mon Oct 10 07:11:58 2011
From: harmug at us.ibm.com (George Harmuth)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:11:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SU carbs- Fixed needle vs Spring loaded
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1318096806.24221.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF99946F71.2138A6CD-ON85257925.00477384-85257925.0048821E@us.ibm.com>

Racing season is over for me and I'm getting my winter projects lined up.
One is rebuilding/ replacing my carbs, SU H2s, for the Spitfire. I've
collected several sets and I was wondering which type are better for
racing, the fixed needle type or the spring needle? From a theoretical
point of view, I can see pluses and minuses for each type. This year I ran
both types too, but not having identical needles in each, I couldn't do a
real comparison.
I suspect the answer is fixed, but any thoughts?

thanks
mike

63 Spitfire

G. Michael Harmuth


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Mon Oct 10 07:47:03 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 06:47:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
Message-ID: <1318254423.490.YahooMailClassic@web81205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Joe & FOT: Below is an email concerning two deaths during this past weekends
race at Hallet.
-Ed-

--- On Mon, 10/10/11, Doug Mains <cvarflag1 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Doug Mains <cvarflag1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
To: "Ed Barnard" <Edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
Date: Monday, October 10, 2011, 8:36 AM


Ed,

There is truth to the report. Just in case you did not get the below email.

Doug


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: CVAR Announcement <cvar at lists.corinthianvintagerace.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:20 AM
Subject: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
To: CVAR membership <cvar at lists.corinthianvintagerace.com>





















Saturday we lost two good  friends:
Bill Hill, Group 2 Midget driver, collapsed and died after the G-2 race at
Hallett.
Ron Shade, Group 7 Porsche driver and CVAR board member, passed away during
the one hour enduro.
Both deaths were due to natural causes, not racing incidents.

They died surrounded by friends doing something they truly enjoyed.

Services are pending. I will post that information on  the list-server when it
becomes available.
Please keep Bill and Ron's families in your thoughts and prayers.



George Curl



www.corinthianvintagerace.com
Stop Waste - Recycle Old Race Cars



--
Doug Mains, CVAR Flag 1
5400 Post Ridge Dr
Fort Worth, TX 76123
817-437-3597


From KENMUN at aol.com  Mon Oct 10 13:04:22 2011
From: KENMUN at aol.com (KENMUN at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:04:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] 87mm pistons
Message-ID: <1839b.6efdd313.3bc49bb6@aol.com>

anyone have a good set of pistons they'd like to sell? thanks, ken m.  
vintage tr3 racer.


From walt at hot-tr6.com  Mon Oct 10 15:51:03 2011
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:51:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Sweeny, Texas
Message-ID: <002701cc8796$b569b670$203d2350$@hot-tr6.com>

Do we have any 
FOT members that live in the town of Sweeny, Texas?

I could use some help picking up a car part I bought and

Getting it to Fed Ex Ground or UPS.

Thanks

Walt Hollowell

Albuquerque, New Mexico


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 10 16:06:05 2011
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:06:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Looking for former race driver Jeff Harrell
Message-ID: <EDBA226B-6FB2-4EAC-A0F5-9A4DE1604671@gmail.com>

Does the name Jeff Harrell sound familiar to anyone here, and if so, can
anyone provide a lead to contact him?  I am told he raced Morgans in the late
50s or early 1960s on the east coast.  I can find a reference to that name in
SCCA records only for 1963, driving an MGA.  This may be the guy that drove
(and wrecked) my Morgan Plus 4 around 1959-1960-ish in Spartanburg, SC.  I was
told the damage occurred during an off-road excursion (the car struck concrete
hidden in tall grass) at an SCCA airport race, but I can't yet get the facts
to align properly.

Duncan Charlton


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Oct 10 17:17:18 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 19:17:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] VTR COVERAGE OF FOT AT LEGUNA SECA AND KCUP POSTERS THANKS!
Message-ID: <8CE55B9E37D0A7E-23B0-60587@Webmail-m121.sysops.aol.com>

FoT Bill Redinger comprehensively covered the 9th RUNNING OF THE KASTNER CUP.

Pictures and text really tell the story.  Thanks Bill.

The Vintage Triumph has FOT Mike Cook as it's editor and the FOT is nicely
featured in almost all of the magazine publications.

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The FOT and VTR have been collaborating on the Kastner Cup since Watkins Glen,
specifically on the FOT/VTR POSTERs that are provided to FoT and VTR members
in attendance.

Blake Discher is the VTR President and was responsible for the layout of the
Watkins Glen and Topeka Posters.

Steve Belfer was responsible for the Laguna Seca effort and is currently
working on the artwork for THE MITTY.

Joe Pawlak of ISOA is responsible for the production of the posters.

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It's amazing what a non-organization can accomplish, with help from their
friends.

MEMBERSHIP IN THE VTR is STRONGLY ENCOURAGED..............................


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Mon Oct 10 21:54:17 2011
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:54:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
In-Reply-To: <1318259184.64611.YahooMailRC@web81101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1318305257.27807.YahooMailClassic@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tom: At this time this is all the info we have.
 
All,

I am not sure if all of you are on the CVAR email distribution. I wanted to
pass this note along just in case.


The memorial service for Bill is scheduled for next Sunday 10/16 from 5:30
till ?


Gianna Italian Kitchen, 28301 Tomball Parkway, Tomball, TX  77357,
281-290-6676
Doug Mains


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: CVAR Announcement <cvar at lists.corinthianvintagerace.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:20 AM
Subject: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
To: CVAR membership <cvar at lists.corinthianvintagerace.com>





















Saturday we lost two good  friends:
Bill Hill, Group 2 Midget driver, collapsed and died after the G-2 race at
Hallett.
Ron Shade, Group 7 Porsche driver and CVAR board member, passed away during
the one hour enduro.
Both deaths were due to natural causes, not racing incidents.

They died surrounded by friends doing something they truly enjoyed.

Services are pending. I will post that information on  the list-server when it
becomes available.
Please keep Bill and Ron's families in your thoughts and prayers.



George Curl



--- On Mon, 10/10/11, tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
To: "EDWARD BARNARD" <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
Date: Monday, October 10, 2011, 10:06 AM








Ed, unfortunately, not much info came thru the list ... could you possibly
copy and paste for all of us on the fot ... also, we had a death at blackhawk
farms this weekend.
  Not a racing incident, but Bill Dalton, who is very well liked died of a
heart attack.
  I hate to ask for more bad news, but, please fill us in ...
 
Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire






From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: Joe Alexander <n197tr4 at cs.com>; FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, October 10, 2011 8:47:03 AM
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [CVAR] CVAR sad news

Joe & FOT: Below is an email concerning two deaths during this past weekends
race at Hallet.
-Ed-

--- On Mon, 10/10/11, Doug Mains <cvarflag1 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Doug Mains <cvarflag1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
To: "Ed Barnard" <Edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
Date: Monday, October 10, 2011, 8:36 AM


Ed,

There is truth to the report. Just in case you did not get the below email.

Doug


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: CVAR Announcement <cvar at lists.corinthianvintagerace.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:20 AM
Subject: [CVAR] CVAR sad news
To: CVAR membership <cvar at lists.corinthianvintagerace.com>





















Saturday we lost two good  friends:
Bill Hill, Group 2 Midget driver, collapsed and died after the G-2 race at
Hallett.
Ron Shade, Group 7 Porsche driver and CVAR board member, passed away during
the one hour enduro.
Both deaths were due to natural causes, not racing incidents.

They died surrounded by friends doing something they truly enjoyed.

Services are pending. I will post that information on  the list-server when
it
becomes available.
Please keep Bill and Ron's families in your thoughts and prayers.



George Curl



www.corinthianvintagerace.com
Stop Waste - Recycle Old Race Cars



--
Doug Mains, CVAR Flag 1
5400 Post Ridge Dr
Fort Worth, TX 76123
817-437-3597
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Tue Oct 11 09:19:04 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:19:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Road Racing ...funny
Message-ID: <002101cc8829$1d125880$57370980$@rogers.com>

 <http://youtu.be/WNVA8nbXbug> http://youtu.be/WNVA8nbXbug

 

A lot of talk about Darrell  Waltrip commentating at Bathurst road racing in
Australia for Speed TV. Someone posted this link to his test  drive. It is
hilarious.

 

Paul


From triosan at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 11:10:01 2011
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:10:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kas Cup 2012
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNAszG9GR1a2PRh=A9Gk2su4qCe4=TScnAvYaFMVUX_Bqg@mail.gmail.com>

I plan on driving!!!  The only hang up will be that I have a novice license
and only 4 races [1 this year] under my belt.  Hopefully they will let me
drive.  I know how to do it having done dozens of "lapping days" and many
race practice days.

The car finally [almost] got ready enough to race a couple of weeks ago.
Did 8 practice sessions and a qualifying just fine.  In the 16 lap race, at
the end of lap 13 I hit some big bumps and ended up breaking the flange
holding the inner left halfshaft.  Coasted to hot pits and that was that.

Mad at myself as there was no one in front I could race with, and no one
behind at all close -- could have just taken the corner a little easier and
not missed the apex so badly.

The car runs strong so I am pleased with that.

Chuck

-- 
Chuck Arnold and Kathleen Kelley


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 12:29:44 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:29:44 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Road Racing ...funny
In-Reply-To: <002101cc8829$1d125880$57370980$@rogers.com>
References: <002101cc8829$1d125880$57370980$@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <CAP9qD9Nu5Q2iBFf=+Q5YzJeWGYOgEELOm=Yeu+b8FtAZBWba7A@mail.gmail.com>

that was good ! Had Darrell on the edge  and alot of respect for road racers
I am sure no matter where they are from.


On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:19 AM, macdonaldp <macdonaldp at rogers.com> wrote:

>  <http://youtu.be/WNVA8nbXbug> http://youtu.be/WNVA8nbXbug
>
>
>
> A lot of talk about Darrell  Waltrip commentating at Bathurst road racing
> in
> Australia for Speed TV. Someone posted this link to his test  drive. It is
> hilarious.
>
>
>
> Paul
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rob deanes
TR Racer


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 11 13:01:43 2011
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:01:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Road Racing ...funny
In-Reply-To: <002101cc8829$1d125880$57370980$@rogers.com>
References: <002101cc8829$1d125880$57370980$@rogers.com>
Message-ID: <1318359703.16161.YahooMailNeo@web80807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I love how his voice rises a couple of octaves. I think he was truly scared.
From: macdonaldp <macdonaldp at rogers.com>
To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent:
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:19 AM
Subject: [Fot] Road Racing ...funny
<http://youtu.be/WNVA8nbXbug> http://youtu.be/WNVA8nbXbug



A lot of talk
about Darrell  Waltrip commentating at Bathurst road racing in
Australia for
Speed TV. Someone posted this link to his test  drive. It is
hilarious.
Paul
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From triosan at gmail.com  Tue Oct 11 14:06:52 2011
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:06:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Question re: cracks in IRS trailing arms
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNB4R9r=0cGnPmn2+bhyyCOG45FM1vR2o1TQ8mO2-JaxYg@mail.gmail.com>

Both of the trailing arms on my TR6 racer have cracks in the trailing arms.
They are about 1 to 1.5 inches long and start at the bottom edge immediately
in front of the brake backing plate.  They go through, that is are visable
from both sides [though worse from inside].

Questions:
1. How dangerous is this?  It looks like there would need to be a whole lot
more cracking before danger of breaking.
2. Can they be repaired?
3. Can I do a lapping day practice in a couple of weeks with them in this
condition [may have been like that for a long time?].

Thanks in advance,

-- 
Chuck Arnold


From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Oct 11 15:15:01 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:15:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Bill Dalton details...
Message-ID: <42cad.21250952.3bc60bd5@aol.com>

Amici...

Sorry to bomb the list, but Midwest racers may be interested in some 
additional information on Bill Dalton's funeral arrangements.  Bill died of heart 
failure last Saturday while working a race event at Blackhawk Farms Raceway: 
 These notes are from the Unger Horner Funeral Home:

William J. Dalton, age 70, of Ashton, IL died Sat. Oct. 8, 2011 at Rockford 
Memorial Hospital. He was born Oct. 13, 1940 in New Jersey the son of 
William and Giovanna Gotilla Dalton.

Retired from E.D. Etnyre & Co. in Oregon, IL as a mechanical engineer. 
Member of St. Patrick Church of Rochelle. Also belonged to Sports Car Club Of 
America, N.R.A., Air Craft Owners and Pilots Association and Experimental 
Aircraft Association.

Survived by his children: John (Francesca) Dalton of Spotswood, NJ, and 
Andrea Kilkenny of Bloomfield, NJ; and 2 grandchildren: Michael and Victoria 
Dalton.

Funeral mass will be held at 10:30 AM on Thursday, October 13, 2011 at the 
St. Patrick Catholic Church, Rochelle, with Rev. Steven Lange officiating. 
Visitation will be on Wednesday from 5 - 8 PM at the Unger Horner Funeral 
Home, 400 N 6th St., Rochelle. Memorials to the St. Patrick Catholic Church or 
the American Heart Association. Burial at St. Patrick Catholic Cemetery in 
Rochelle. Online guest book at UngerHorner.com

Some personal comments:  Bill Dalton was a 'permanent fixture' at road 
racing events here in the Midwest.  He was at Blackhawk Farms Raceway almost 
every week end, and if he wasn't there he was at Autobahn, Grattan or Road 
America.  Usually at the Black Flag Station, but he'd also do rescue, pace car, 
corner station, or whatever.  He was VSCDA's Chief of Tech for many, many 
years.  

But not everyone knew he was one of the original 'Jersey Boys', having 
played guitar in the early rock and roll group...the Royal Teens.  He was still 
getting royalties for 'Short Shorts'.  He was in several movies, including 
'Let's Rock.'  Bill used to work hard to convey his gruff 'Jersey' roots, but 
those who knew him well, knew that he was actually kind of a softy and very 
sensitive.  He was full of passion for good causes and made for a good 
friend.  He leaves a hole in amateur road racing in the Illinois/Wisconsin 
area...he WILL BE MISSED.  

Bill Dentinger


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Oct 11 15:26:00 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:26:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Road Racing ...funny
In-Reply-To: <CAP9qD9Nu5Q2iBFf=+Q5YzJeWGYOgEELOm=Yeu+b8FtAZBWba7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002101cc8829$1d125880$57370980$@rogers.com>
	<CAP9qD9Nu5Q2iBFf=+Q5YzJeWGYOgEELOm=Yeu+b8FtAZBWba7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1110111724050.23721@isis.mit.edu>

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011, Robert Deanes wrote:

> that was good ! Had Darrell on the edge  and alot of respect for road racers
> I am sure no matter where they are from.

I'm not certain that DW actually respects anyone, but that's based mostly 
on heresay. That said, I thought the vid was pretty funny in several 
differnt perspectives.

>From what I've heard, any flaggers that ever worked with him in the past 
were probably in hysterics watching the clip.

l8r,
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Tue Oct 11 19:20:02 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:20:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Bill Dalton
Message-ID: <8AF0EEC83F0A4EEBAB3B7E214693D923@owner8914bbf7f>

Hi All, I'm sorry to hear about Bill Dalton.
I checked my log book and found that he tech'ed my car a couple times when I
did VSCDA events. As I recall he was a very nice guy.
I didn't know about his rock and roll history. Wow!
R.I.P. Bill Dalton.

Bill Tobin TR6


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Wed Oct 12 16:23:51 2011
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:23:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [cvar_general] FStolen TR4 [1 Attachment]
References: <1318424531.44828.YahooMailClassic@web125503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1D7CE5B3-FEFF-4201-9120-13975B5F1EAD@austin.rr.com>

FYI

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: George Curl <ggcurl at yahoo.com>
> Date: October 12, 2011 6:02:11 AM PDT
> To: cvar_general at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [cvar_general] FStolen TR4 [1 Attachment]
>

> [Attachment(s) from George Curl included below]
>
>
>
>
> ----- Forwarded Message -----
> From: Nathan P. Yonally <NYonally at KHP.KS.GOV>
> To: "cvarpresident at yahoo.com" <cvarpresident at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 9:59 AM
> Subject: FW: Stolen TR4
>
>
>
> Good Day
> Please see the above attachment with information concerning a stolen TR4
race car from Kansas City, KS.  This TR4 was stolen on 5-10-11.  The Kansas
City, KS Police Departments case # for this theft is 2010051145.  If this car
is being raced in one of your vintage races or shows up at any future races
please contact Detective Scott Todd of the Kansas City, KS Police Department
at 913-573-6057.  I know the car and could help with any questions concerning
this vehicle.  I can be reach at 913-780-6058 until 3:30 PM Monday-Friday and
on my cell # 913-433-6914 after hours.
> Thank you for your help.  I would like to see this vehicle returned to the
rightful owner.
> Paul Yonally
> AVIN
> Kansas Highway Patrol
>
>
>
>
> Attachment(s) from George Curl
>
> 1 of 1 File(s)
>
>
> STOLEN
>
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From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 17:26:12 2011
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:26:12 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Need rear trailing arms for TR6 -- Seattle-Tacoma area
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNBxC3yBsBRqGmipK9S18r+OWRteJpB7yset9PJobzttyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone in the area have a pair [or of immediate need, a left] trailing
arm for an IRS TR that they could sell,or lend me till I can arrange to get
one from out of town?

For that matter, does anyone on the list have the above they could shipto me
in Tacoma for arrival by next Wednesday?

Thanks,

-- 
Chuck Arnold


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Oct 12 23:14:33 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:14:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Question re: cracks in IRS trailing arms
In-Reply-To: <CAMc4sNB4R9r=0cGnPmn2+bhyyCOG45FM1vR2o1TQ8mO2-JaxYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111013051926.8FC25187672@autox.team.net>

Chuck,
I wouldn't use them without repairs, a crack can travel fast. A good tig
welder can get them fixed up. If you can't get to both sides of the cracks
with the tig torch, a groove should be ground in the crack for complete
penetration.

jim g

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:07 PM
To: Friends; Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Question re: cracks in IRS trailing arms

Both of the trailing arms on my TR6 racer have cracks in the trailing arms.
They are about 1 to 1.5 inches long and start at the bottom edge immediately
in front of the brake backing plate.  They go through, that is are visable
from both sides [though worse from inside].

Questions:
1. How dangerous is this?  It looks like there would need to be a whole lot
more cracking before danger of breaking.
2. Can they be repaired?
3. Can I do a lapping day practice in a couple of weeks with them in this
condition [may have been like that for a long time?].

Thanks in advance,

-- 
Chuck Arnold
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From donmarshall at nefcom.net  Thu Oct 13 08:00:45 2011
From: donmarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:00:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR7 going to scrapper
Message-ID: <CALsVEtC=xy+Cu2u_vJQnZ5MKKj7FnFZMp4H+JEJBqzHj_rvvFA@mail.gmail.com>

I have a solid and complete '76 TR7 coupe that is destined for the scrapper
pretty soon unless someone wants it.  Our local scrap yard is paying $11.00
per 100 pounds so, assuming a curb weight of 2,250, it's worth $247.50 if I
haul it 3 miles down the road.  On the other hand, I really hate to scrap a
car that might be useful to someone, so I'm offering it to the list for
$247.50 if anyone wants it.  It was a Texas car that was last tagged in 1983
and was stored there until a few years ago when I got it as a father/son
project that didn't go anywhere.  The body is very solid, with almost no
rust or dents.  The engine is all there, including AC, but I don't think it
will turn.  We started to take parts off the engine but didn't get very far,
and everything is there.  Unfortunately, it's a coupe, with 4 speed and
early rear end, so it's not very desirable as Triumphs go.  Anyway, I need
the space so if no one wants it I'm going to send it off to Triumph heaven.
We're in northeast Florida and I have a good Florida title for it.  Don


From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Oct 13 19:11:35 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:11:35 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Fot] Team.Net service
Message-ID: <20111014011135.207002E0ED@bradakis.com>

Team.Net is going away, I'm shutting it off tomorrow morning.

Okay, relax, it is only temporary.  The local power company will be
doing some maintenence and repairs in the area friday, October 14th.
Rather than risk frying some crucial piece of hardware due to random
power flucuations I'll be shutting down the servers in the morning
before I go to work.  I'll be bringing them back up friday evening
when the power line work is done.

So the email lists, amazingly outdated web pages, forums and such
will be down for most of the day.  All services should be back on
the air late friday, so be patient.

Too bad I'm not ready to cut over to the new server, this would be
a good time to do so.  Oh well, so it goes.

Thank you for your patience.

mjb.


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Oct 13 20:29:35 2011
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (Bob Kramer)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:29:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [cvar_general] FStolen TR4 [1 Attachment]
References: <1D7CE5B3-FEFF-4201-9120-13975B5F1EAD@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <ADCCB7F9-F2E1-4C7F-98BD-57407A635ACB@austin.rr.com>

I forgot that attachments get pulled when I sent this out the first time. The
pictures show a black (or dark blue) TR4 with fender flares. It has a modem
cage , HS8's, maybe 7 or 8 inch rear wheels. Carriage Motor Works is the
sponsor and it had aluminum stone guards on the rear flares. It looks like it
was an SCCA car in the not too recent past.

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Bob Kramer <rkramer3 at austin.rr.com>
> Date: October 12, 2011 3:23:51 PM PDT
> To: FOT List <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Fwd: [cvar_general] FStolen TR4 [1 Attachment]
>

> FYI
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: George Curl <ggcurl at yahoo.com>
>> Date: October 12, 2011 6:02:11 AM PDT
>> To: cvar_general at yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [cvar_general] FStolen TR4 [1 Attachment]
>>
>
>> [Attachment(s) from George Curl included below]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Forwarded Message -----
>> From: Nathan P. Yonally <NYonally at KHP.KS.GOV>
>> To: "cvarpresident at yahoo.com" <cvarpresident at yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 9:59 AM
>> Subject: FW: Stolen TR4
>>
>>
>>
>> Good Day
>> Please see the above attachment with information concerning a stolen TR4
race car from Kansas City, KS.  This TR4 was stolen on 5-10-11.  The Kansas
City, KS Police Departments case # for this theft is 2010051145.  If this car
is being raced in one of your vintage races or shows up at any future races
please contact Detective Scott Todd of the Kansas City, KS Police Department
at 913-573-6057.  I know the car and could help with any questions concerning
this vehicle.  I can be reach at 913-780-6058 until 3:30 PM Monday-Friday and
on my cell # 913-433-6914 after hours.
>> Thank you for your help.  I would like to see this vehicle returned to the
rightful owner.
>> Paul Yonally
>> AVIN
>> Kansas Highway Patrol
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachment(s) from George Curl
>>
>> 1 of 1 File(s)
>>
>>
>> STOLEN
>>
>> __._,_.___
>>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Oct 14 19:48:57 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 19:48:57 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Back to normal?
Message-ID: <4E98E689.1030802@bradakis.com>

I think I have everything powered up and back on line.

What fun.

mjb.


From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Oct 14 23:08:45 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 23:08:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Back to normal?
In-Reply-To: <4E98E689.1030802@bradakis.com>
References: <4E98E689.1030802@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4E99155D.10609@bradakis.com>

Cute - 2 for the price of 1.  Looks like a minor problem with
the reboot.  What fun.

mjb.


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sat Oct 15 08:43:10 2011
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:43:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Back to normal?
In-Reply-To: <4E99155D.10609@bradakis.com>
References: <4E98E689.1030802@bradakis.com>
  <4E99155D.10609@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4E999BFE.9020605@blacksburg.net>

On 10/15/2011 1:08 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> Cute - 2 for the price of 1.  Looks like a minor problem with
> the reboot.  What fun.
>
> mjb.
>

> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html

My hat's off to you, buddy.  I started the first ISP in Blacksburg so I 
know what you're dealing with.  Of course I had investors but you rely 
on our donations, which is why it's so important for us to hit the 
Donate link periodically.

Have you had any luck with the archives?  I'd hate to see the pearls of 
wisdom posted here lost forever.

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go


From jason at multivintage.com  Sat Oct 15 10:39:37 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:39:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] The Great Bill Dentinger
Message-ID: <CALCydYq8LTCOV6T25CzK0dC8s9ub6-m6mT7bVm7Zriq7QA_=ng@mail.gmail.com>

What a great photo of of Bill Dentinger and Dennis Delap dueling it out
through turn 3 at Grattan in the latest issue of Victory Lane.(p.50)
I love that shot...
and timely recognition for Bill, as in the same issue (letters section) he
comments briefly on observations through his illustrious history in vintage
racing.
But... Bill, I would prefer to think of you in your Mid-Day instead of your
Twilight!
Keep it up... us younger guys need actively racing heroes.

Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing


From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat Oct 15 15:58:46 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:58:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?
Message-ID: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>

Does anyone have experience with data acquisition using hardware from 
Innovate Motorsports?

Some friends and I are bringing an old water brake dyno back to life for 
some engine testing. The data acquisition stuff at Innovate Motorsports 
looked good and they could furnish everything we needed.  We bought a 
pressure transducer to get torque (thru force using a hydraulic 
cylinder), a Hall effect sensor to get RPM, and a wide band oxygen 
sensor for AFR.  These are connected through an interface "box" which 
goes to an RS232 port using USB to RS232 cable.

We've had nothing but problems with their system.  We had to return the 
interface box once already to be fixed (which took about 3 weeks).  
After that we were able to get pressure, but it often loses its settings 
and must be reset.  We get RPM a few seconds before it craps out. No 
AFR.  The whole system is flaky.  I am now sending the box and sensors 
back a second time.  I think the interface box still has problems. I 
can't decide whether to give up on them completely. It seems like it 
shouldn't be this difficult.

Does anyone else have experience with this company? Do you have a 
different company you would recommend? I realize this is a little 
different from data acquisition for racing, since we are going direct to 
the computer, but thought some of you might have a suggestion.

TIA, Larry Young


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sat Oct 15 17:41:25 2011
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:41:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?
Message-ID: <206f7.3e9bf704.3bcb7425@aol.com>

Innovate and crap that doesn't work????  Oh Hell yeah I have an  opinion!!
 
I spent a big amount of money on their system about five years ago and  
never got any results.  I sent it back for analysis and they simply sent it  
back without comment.  Nothing, nada, zilch!  Here's your shit, thanx  for the 
money sucka!
 
I am on a vendetta to tell the world about these worthless farks!   Don't 
buy their crap!
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/15/2011 4:33:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
cartravel at pobox.com writes:

Does  anyone have experience with data acquisition using hardware from 
Innovate  Motorsports?

Some friends and I are bringing an old water brake dyno  back to life for 
some engine testing. The data acquisition stuff at  Innovate Motorsports 
looked good and they could furnish everything we  needed.  We bought a 
pressure transducer to get torque (thru force  using a hydraulic 
cylinder), a Hall effect sensor to get RPM, and a wide  band oxygen 
sensor for AFR.  These are connected through an interface  "box" which 
goes to an RS232 port using USB to RS232 cable.

We've  had nothing but problems with their system.  We had to return the  
interface box once already to be fixed (which took about 3 weeks).   
After that we were able to get pressure, but it often loses its settings  
and must be reset.  We get RPM a few seconds before it craps out. No  
AFR.  The whole system is flaky.  I am now sending the box and  sensors 
back a second time.  I think the interface box still has  problems. I 
can't decide whether to give up on them completely. It seems  like it 
shouldn't be this difficult.

Does anyone else have  experience with this company? Do you have a 
different company you would  recommend? I realize this is a little 
different from data acquisition for  racing, since we are going direct to 
the computer, but thought some of you  might have a suggestion.

TIA, Larry  Young
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From william.tobin31 at verizon.net  Sat Oct 15 19:40:27 2011
From: william.tobin31 at verizon.net (william r tobin)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 21:40:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?
References: <206f7.3e9bf704.3bcb7425@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1A34F349D1D844DF879449931EE4C4D2@owner8914bbf7f>

Don't sugar-coat it Steve, tell us how you really feel!!
(Apologies to Butch Cassidy)
Thanks for the heads up.
Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Gt6steve at aol.com>
To: <cartravel at pobox.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <saabhuman at aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?


> Innovate and crap that doesn't work????  Oh Hell yeah I have an  opinion!!
>
> I spent a big amount of money on their system about five years ago and
> never got any results.  I sent it back for analysis and they simply sent 
> it
> back without comment.  Nothing, nada, zilch!  Here's your shit, thanx  for 
> the
> money sucka!
>
> I am on a vendetta to tell the world about these worthless farks!   Don't
> buy their crap!
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/15/2011 4:33:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> cartravel at pobox.com writes:
>
> Does  anyone have experience with data acquisition using hardware from
> Innovate  Motorsports?
>
> Some friends and I are bringing an old water brake dyno  back to life for
> some engine testing. The data acquisition stuff at  Innovate Motorsports
> looked good and they could furnish everything we  needed.  We bought a
> pressure transducer to get torque (thru force  using a hydraulic
> cylinder), a Hall effect sensor to get RPM, and a wide  band oxygen
> sensor for AFR.  These are connected through an interface  "box" which
> goes to an RS232 port using USB to RS232 cable.
>
> We've  had nothing but problems with their system.  We had to return the
> interface box once already to be fixed (which took about 3 weeks).
> After that we were able to get pressure, but it often loses its settings
> and must be reset.  We get RPM a few seconds before it craps out. No
> AFR.  The whole system is flaky.  I am now sending the box and  sensors
> back a second time.  I think the interface box still has  problems. I
> can't decide whether to give up on them completely. It seems  like it
> shouldn't be this difficult.
>
> Does anyone else have  experience with this company? Do you have a
> different company you would  recommend? I realize this is a little
> different from data acquisition for  racing, since we are going direct to
> the computer, but thought some of you  might have a suggestion.
>
> TIA, Larry  Young
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From billb at bnj.com  Sat Oct 15 19:44:08 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:44:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?
In-Reply-To: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <00687A8C-83B9-406B-A666-E237F4FCBAFD@bnj.com>

This is going to sound goofy, but you could probably do everything you want to
do with a subminiature data recorder from Eagletree Systems. It's made for
doing data acquisition in RC planes, but I used it to instrument paddles to
measure acceleration, wobble and flutter, vibration, and get a GPS position
for speed. They have a lot of sensors available, including hall effect for
RPM, and up to four channels of analog to digital conversion. I pulled the
strain gauge out of a $29 scale to do a load cell for my hydraulic press, you
could probably use something like that. You'd have to fiddle some but it's a
remarkable system, works great and costs $150. You'll spend more getting all
the modules, but everything I have was less than $500.  I was expecting to
spend a few thousand to do what I wanted to do.

Here's a link to an article about it on my stand up paddle website.
https://www.kenalu.com/2011/07/serious-paddle-testing/

The software is excellent, the units are seriously tough, and I've had no
problem with them except for toasting one with over voltage from the wrong
battery (12 volts instead of 5. Here's a tip, don't put the same connectors on
two different batteries and toss them in a box). They offered to fix it but I
haven't got around to sending it back since I bought two to begin with.


On Oct 15, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Larry Young wrote:

> Does anyone have experience with data acquisition using hardware from
Innovate Motorsports?
>
> Some friends and I are bringing an old water brake dyno back to life for
some engine testing. The data acquisition stuff at Innovate Motorsports looked
good and they could furnish everything we needed.  We bought a pressure
transducer to get torque (thru force using a hydraulic cylinder), a Hall
effect sensor to get RPM, and a wide band oxygen sensor for AFR.  These are
connected through an interface "box" which goes to an RS232 port using USB to
RS232 cable.
>
> We've had nothing but problems with their system.  We had to return the
interface box once already to be fixed (which took about 3 weeks).  After that
we were able to get pressure, but it often loses its settings and must be
reset.  We get RPM a few seconds before it craps out. No AFR.  The whole
system is flaky.  I am now sending the box and sensors back a second time.  I
think the interface box still has problems. I can't decide whether to give up
on them completely. It seems like it shouldn't be this difficult.
>
> Does anyone else have experience with this company? Do you have a different
company you would recommend? I realize this is a little different from data
acquisition for racing, since we are going direct to the computer, but thought
some of you might have a suggestion.
>
> TIA, Larry Young
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
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From triumphs at consolidated.net  Sat Oct 15 23:41:35 2011
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home PC)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 00:41:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?
References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
	<00687A8C-83B9-406B-A666-E237F4FCBAFD@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <F1C8CC87112A401FA75CCB3405EA301E@SONYATHOME>

I have two different boxes from Innovate in my street car and have had 
nothing but problems.  They seem to work fine just long enough to get your 
hopes up, then it gets flaky, intermittent and finally gone.  Some times 
re-flashing the boxes will fix it for a short period of time, but it is a 
bigger PITA than it is worth.

That said, their a/f meter seems reliable.  Anything more complicated than 
that and they fall flat of their faces.

My experience with support was mixed.  They never really fixed anything, but 
they keep sending new boxes without cost.

Their OBD-II wireless device seems to work OK in a modern car, but seeing 
any more than one screen at a time and, at least on the Iphone, gets very 
difficult. I would love to play with it on a laptop or Ipad.  I haven't 
played with the logging feature on that product.  My problem is that gives 
me a lot of good information, but I don't tune my modern, so it's a little 
bit more just a curiosity rather than valuable information, at least to me.

My $0.02 (or in this case about $200 :-) ) Your mileage may vary.

Ken Gano



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
To: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
Cc: "Triumph Friends of" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?


>
> On Oct 15, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Larry Young wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have experience with data acquisition using hardware from
> Innovate Motorsports?


From jason at multivintage.com  Sun Oct 16 17:28:02 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 18:28:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Dan Wheldon R.I.P
Message-ID: <CALCydYqj_gDm1K2RO0+esY_prwi=NapZGa65WWJveEf+Y3jyqw@mail.gmail.com>

Don't know how long the delay is here for post time but....
Some may want to know sooner that later.

Bad crash in indy car today in Las Vegas.
Dan Wheldon...This years indy 500 champ.... R.I.P.
Sad day for racing.


From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Oct 17 08:52:17 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:52:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Dan Wheldon R.I.P
Message-ID: <27859.e6a9296.3bcd9b21@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/16/2011 7:55:43 PM Central Daylight Time, 
jason at multivintage.com writes:


> Bad crash in indy car today in Las Vegas.
> Dan Wheldon...This years indy 500 champ.... R.I.P.
> Sad day for racing.
> 

34 car grid...
Mile and one half high banked track...
225 mph speeds...
$5,000,000 'carrot' for a Last to First win...

"OK guys and gals.  Get out there and race...and be careful too"

Indy Car needs to do some re-thinking...

Bill Dentinger


From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Oct 17 09:44:52 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:44:52 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Data Acquisition - experience with Innovate Motorsports?
In-Reply-To: <206f7.3e9bf704.3bcb7425@aol.com>
References: <206f7.3e9bf704.3bcb7425@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4E9C4D74.4070209@pobox.com>

I wish you'd told me about it before I wasted $500 Steve.  I know, my 
fault for not asking. Thanks for the information.

On 10/15/2011 6:41 PM, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
> Innovate and crap that doesn't work????  Oh Hell yeah I have an opinion!!
> I spent a big amount of money on their system about five years ago and 
> never got any results.  I sent it back for analysis and they simply 
> sent it back without comment.  Nothing, nada, zilch!  Here's your 
> shit, thanx for the money sucka!
> I am on a vendetta to tell the world about these worthless farks!  
> Don't buy their crap!
> In a message dated 10/15/2011 4:33:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
> cartravel at pobox.com writes:
>
>     Does anyone have experience with data acquisition using hardware from
>     Innovate Motorsports?
>
>     Some friends and I are bringing an old water brake dyno back to
>     life for
>     some engine testing. The data acquisition stuff at Innovate
>     Motorsports
>     looked good and they could furnish everything we needed.  We bought a
>     pressure transducer to get torque (thru force using a hydraulic
>     cylinder), a Hall effect sensor to get RPM, and a wide band oxygen
>     sensor for AFR.  These are connected through an interface "box" which
>     goes to an RS232 port using USB to RS232 cable.
>
>     We've had nothing but problems with their system.  We had to
>     return the
>     interface box once already to be fixed (which took about 3 weeks).
>     After that we were able to get pressure, but it often loses its
>     settings
>     and must be reset.  We get RPM a few seconds before it craps out. No
>     AFR.  The whole system is flaky.  I am now sending the box and
>     sensors
>     back a second time.  I think the interface box still has problems. I
>     can't decide whether to give up on them completely. It seems like it
>     shouldn't be this difficult.
>
>     Does anyone else have experience with this company? Do you have a
>     different company you would recommend? I realize this is a little
>     different from data acquisition for racing, since we are going
>     direct to
>     the computer, but thought some of you might have a suggestion.
>
>     TIA, Larry Young
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>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Oct 17 10:45:35 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:45:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Dan Wheldon R.I.P
In-Reply-To: <27859.e6a9296.3bcd9b21@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2011642881.785434.1318869935757.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

It's not too hard to figure out what caused the injury. The so-called safer
barrier projects inboard from the catch fence and creates a shelf. I suspect
Dan's helmet made contact with it.

Rest in peace Dan



jg



----- Original Message -----


From: BillDentin at aol.com
To: jason at multivintage.com, fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 8:52:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dan Wheldon R.I.P

In a message dated 10/16/2011 7:55:43 PM Central Daylight Time,
jason at multivintage.com writes:


> Bad crash in indy car today in Las Vegas.
> Dan Wheldon...This years indy 500 champ.... R.I.P.
> Sad day for racing.
>

34 car grid...
Mile and one half high banked track...
225 mph speeds...
$5,000,000 'carrot' for a Last to First win...

"OK guys and gals. B Get out there and race...and be careful too"

Indy Car needs to do some re-thinking...

Bill Dentinger
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Mon Oct 17 12:08:16 2011
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 14:08:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Dan Wheldon R.I.P
In-Reply-To: <27859.e6a9296.3bcd9b21@aol.com>
References: <27859.e6a9296.3bcd9b21@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001cc8cf7$bea1fe80$3be5fb80$@net>

He dead having fun 


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:52 AM
To: jason at multivintage.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Dan Wheldon R.I.P

In a message dated 10/16/2011 7:55:43 PM Central Daylight Time, 
jason at multivintage.com writes:


> Bad crash in indy car today in Las Vegas.
> Dan Wheldon...This years indy 500 champ.... R.I.P.
> Sad day for racing.
> 

34 car grid...
Mile and one half high banked track...
225 mph speeds...
$5,000,000 'carrot' for a Last to First win...

"OK guys and gals.  Get out there and race...and be careful too"

Indy Car needs to do some re-thinking...

Bill Dentinger
_______________________________________________
fot at autox.team.net

http://www.fot-racing.com

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From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Mon Oct 17 12:42:16 2011
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:42:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...
In-Reply-To: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <1318876936.81601.YahooMailRC@web180614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

so I don't put it back together and have the same problem.  

The story is
that I had never been into the clutch.  I only knew that the PO 
raced the 74
TR6.  I autocrosses, and a hillclimb for the next couple of years 
with no
problem.  Then at the tail end of this season at an autocross, I could 
smell
my clutch after a run and it didn't want to go into gear.  Double 
clutching
could get it to go.  There never had been the typical TR6 problems 
such as
stiff clutch pedal, etc.

After breaking it open, I find little wear on the
spring fingers, a disk 
measuring appx. .290 in thickness, and all linkage
even though plenty dirty 
functioning soundly.  The slave and master of the
clutch is not losing fluid, 
and there is an adjustabe clutch rod that was in
the middle hole of the 
engage/disengage lever that is only minimally worn
oversize.

I am putting in a new clutch, but at this point, I can't see what
caused my 
failure in the first place.  Don't want to wrap it all up and have
the same 
problem.

Thanks for any assistance, Jim


From rikrock at live.com  Mon Oct 17 13:43:16 2011
From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:43:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
Message-ID: <snt0-eas3116177D4B0EF31DE9F5A21C6E40@phx.gbl>

Amici,

Can someone please explain to me the function of the "thrust button"
(the cylindrical-shaped spacer that fits inside the locker between the axle
shafts) and if/why it must be installed on a solid axle car (TR-4)?

Thanks!
Rich Rock


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Oct 17 14:50:02 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 13:50:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...
In-Reply-To: <1318876936.81601.YahooMailRC@web180614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
	<1318876936.81601.YahooMailRC@web180614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <025b01cc8d0e$584139f0$08c3add0$@rr.com>

> and there is an adjustabe clutch rod

Have you been keeping it adjusted?  As the friction plate wears, the free
play closes up until eventually there is none and the linkage starts holding
the pressure plate away from the friction plate.

-- Randall 


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Mon Oct 17 14:58:10 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 13:58:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...
References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
	<1318876936.81601.YahooMailRC@web180614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01255E8203E24A68AD5B80D48DEE2598@Charly>

Look at the pin on the arm to the T.O. bearing on the shaft.

Charly Mitchel
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "sherry robyn" <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:42 AM
Subject: [Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...


> so I don't put it back together and have the same problem.
>
> The story is
> that I had never been into the clutch.  I only knew that the PO
> raced the 74
> TR6.  I autocrosses, and a hillclimb for the next couple of years
> with no
> problem.  Then at the tail end of this season at an autocross, I could
> smell
> my clutch after a run and it didn't want to go into gear.  Double
> clutching
> could get it to go.  There never had been the typical TR6 problems
> such as
> stiff clutch pedal, etc.
>
> After breaking it open, I find little wear on the
> spring fingers, a disk
> measuring appx. .290 in thickness, and all linkage
> even though plenty dirty
> functioning soundly.  The slave and master of the
> clutch is not losing fluid,
> and there is an adjustabe clutch rod that was in
> the middle hole of the
> engage/disengage lever that is only minimally worn
> oversize.
>
> I am putting in a new clutch, but at this point, I can't see what
> caused my
> failure in the first place.  Don't want to wrap it all up and have
> the same
> problem.
>
> Thanks for any assistance, Jim
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Oct 17 15:33:46 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:33:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
In-Reply-To: <snt0-eas3116177D4B0EF31DE9F5A21C6E40@phx.gbl>
References: <snt0-eas3116177D4B0EF31DE9F5A21C6E40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CE5B2B962F1D1A-17A0-7ED7A@webmail-d175.sysops.aol.com>

 I think it provides the spacing that allows you to set the factory spec end
play with the shims at the end of the axle housing.

If you have the Southwick conversion or IRS, Iit is not required.

Joe A.





-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Rock <rikrock at live.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:29 pm
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions


Amici,

Can someone please explain to me the function of the "thrust button"
(the cylindrical-shaped spacer that fits inside the locker between the axle
shafts) and if/why it must be installed on a solid axle car (TR-4)?

Thanks!
Rich Rock
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From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 17 15:47:03 2011
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (Greg Petrolati)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 21:47:03 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
In-Reply-To: <snt0-eas3116177D4B0EF31DE9F5A21C6E40@phx.gbl>
References: <snt0-eas3116177D4B0EF31DE9F5A21C6E40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W28853DD6AF6FA1F720D8EAD2E40@phx.gbl>

Speaking from memory here... AFAIK the thrust button limits the inward travel
of the axle shaft

Greg Petrolati   Lafayette, Oregon



That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...





> From: rikrock at live.com
> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:43:16 -0400
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
>
> Amici,
>
> Can someone please explain to me the function of the "thrust button"
> (the cylindrical-shaped spacer that fits inside the locker between the axle
> shafts) and if/why it must be installed on a solid axle car (TR-4)?
>
> Thanks!
> Rich Rock
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Oct 17 16:03:10 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:03:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
In-Reply-To: <snt0-eas3116177D4B0EF31DE9F5A21C6E40@phx.gbl>
References: <snt0-eas3116177D4B0EF31DE9F5A21C6E40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <026501cc8d18$900db250$b02916f0$@rr.com>

The TR3/4 (and solid axle 4A) use tapered roller wheel bearings, meaning
they can only take side thrust in one direction.  So the side thrust on the
outer wheel in a turn goes through the button and gets carried by the
tapered bearing on the inner wheel.

-- Randall 


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 17 16:12:05 2011
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:12:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...
In-Reply-To: <1318876936.81601.YahooMailRC@web180614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
	<1318876936.81601.YahooMailRC@web180614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5D18F7B8-A6FB-456B-95B3-FBDA43044225@gmail.com>

Jim,

Sounds like the clutch was dragging on the flywheel while the pedal was
depressed, but your examination of the parts doesn't explain why.  Best guess
I have is that the clutch travel was limited somehow.  Any chance their was
air in the system?  How much downward pedal travel was there before you could
feel resistance?  I assume on a TR6 you'd want some free play at the top of
the pedal travel.  How far from the floor did the pedal rise before the clutch
started to engage, when it was working properly?  Anything out of the normal
range suggests a geometry problem since the hydraulic clutch should
self-adjust.

Are you reusing the same pressure plate?  A few years back our Morgan Plus 8's
clutch was slipping badly in 3rd and 4th gear.  I was surprised to find that
the friction disc looked very good.  The pressure plate likely had a lot of
miles on it (189,000 miles were put on the car by the PO before I got it...)
and the diaphragm spring apparently no longer created the original clamping
force.  A new pressure plate made all the difference (although it looked
perfectly good, I had the driven plate re-lined while I was at it since that
size is obsolete and the TR4 unit used by many is 1/2" smaller).  In all the
clutch jobs I'd done this was the first time I'd seen a slippage problem
caused by the pressure plate getting weak.

Duncan
(Texas)

1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red

On Oct 17, 2011, at 1:42 PM, sherry robyn wrote:

> so I don't put it back together and have the same problem.
>
> The story is
> that I had never been into the clutch.  I only knew that the PO
> raced the 74
> TR6.  I autocrosses, and a hillclimb for the next couple of years
> with no
> problem.  Then at the tail end of this season at an autocross, I could
> smell
> my clutch after a run and it didn't want to go into gear.  Double
> clutching
> could get it to go.  There never had been the typical TR6 problems
> such as
> stiff clutch pedal, etc.
>
> After breaking it open, I find little wear on the
> spring fingers, a disk
> measuring appx. .290 in thickness, and all linkage
> even though plenty dirty
> functioning soundly.  The slave and master of the
> clutch is not losing fluid,
> and there is an adjustabe clutch rod that was in
> the middle hole of the
> engage/disengage lever that is only minimally worn
> oversize.
>
> I am putting in a new clutch, but at this point, I can't see what
> caused my
> failure in the first place.  Don't want to wrap it all up and have
> the same
> problem.
>
> Thanks for any assistance, Jim
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon Oct 17 18:22:33 2011
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:22:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...
In-Reply-To: <5D18F7B8-A6FB-456B-95B3-FBDA43044225@gmail.com>
References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
	<1318876936.81601.YahooMailRC@web180614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<5D18F7B8-A6FB-456B-95B3-FBDA43044225@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20BEED40-E6D9-4090-9929-87D3D78A28A2@bnj.com>

Is the master cylinder original or aftermarket? Some aftermarket master
cylinders have residual pressure valves built into them, if you're going to
use them for a clutch you need to remove it.

On Oct 17, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Duncan Charlton wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Sounds like the clutch was dragging on the flywheel while the pedal was
> depressed, but your examination of the parts doesn't explain why.  Best
guess
> I have is that the clutch travel was limited somehow.  Any chance their was
> air in the system?  How much downward pedal travel was there before you
could
> feel resistance?  I assume on a TR6 you'd want some free play at the top of
> the pedal travel.  How far from the floor did the pedal rise before the
clutch
> started to engage, when it was working properly?  Anything out of the
normal
> range suggests a geometry problem since the hydraulic clutch should
> self-adjust.
>
> Are you reusing the same pressure plate?  A few years back our Morgan Plus
8's
> clutch was slipping badly in 3rd and 4th gear.  I was surprised to find
that
> the friction disc looked very good.  The pressure plate likely had a lot of
> miles on it (189,000 miles were put on the car by the PO before I got
it...)
> and the diaphragm spring apparently no longer created the original clamping
> force.  A new pressure plate made all the difference (although it looked
> perfectly good, I had the driven plate re-lined while I was at it since
that
> size is obsolete and the TR4 unit used by many is 1/2" smaller).  In all
the
> clutch jobs I'd done this was the first time I'd seen a slippage problem
> caused by the pressure plate getting weak.
>
> Duncan
> (Texas)
>
> 1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red
>
> On Oct 17, 2011, at 1:42 PM, sherry robyn wrote:
>
>> so I don't put it back together and have the same problem.
>>
>> The story is
>> that I had never been into the clutch.  I only knew that the PO
>> raced the 74
>> TR6.  I autocrosses, and a hillclimb for the next couple of years
>> with no
>> problem.  Then at the tail end of this season at an autocross, I could
>> smell
>> my clutch after a run and it didn't want to go into gear.  Double
>> clutching
>> could get it to go.  There never had been the typical TR6 problems
>> such as
>> stiff clutch pedal, etc.
>>
>> After breaking it open, I find little wear on the
>> spring fingers, a disk
>> measuring appx. .290 in thickness, and all linkage
>> even though plenty dirty
>> functioning soundly.  The slave and master of the
>> clutch is not losing fluid,
>> and there is an adjustabe clutch rod that was in
>> the middle hole of the
>> engage/disengage lever that is only minimally worn
>> oversize.
>>
>> I am putting in a new clutch, but at this point, I can't see what
>> caused my
>> failure in the first place.  Don't want to wrap it all up and have
>> the same
>> problem.
>>
>> Thanks for any assistance, Jim
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Oct 18 08:17:26 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 16:17:26 +0200
Subject: [Fot] RGB Season Final Race
Message-ID: <002c01cc8da0$abaf06c0$030d1440$@com>

Hi,

This is from race 2:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuIQlMF1C7A

 

Cheers

Chris


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Oct 18 09:24:27 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 17:24:27 +0200
Subject: [Fot] RGB Season Final Race
Message-ID: <003701cc8daa$08f25e00$1ad71a00$@com>

And the maybe more entertaining race 1:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_Slgv6ZT4I

 

Cheers

Chris

 

Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2011 16:17
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: RGB Season Final Race

 

Hi,

This is from race 2:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuIQlMF1C7A

 

Cheers

Chris


From mike.mehl at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 18 13:30:56 2011
From: mike.mehl at yahoo.com (Mike Mehl)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 12:30:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
In-Reply-To: <8CE5B2B962F1D1A-17A0-7ED7A@webmail-d175.sysops.aol.com>
References: <snt0-eas3116177D4B0EF31DE9F5A21C6E40@phx.gbl>
	<8CE5B2B962F1D1A-17A0-7ED7A@webmail-d175.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1318966256.96970.YahooMailNeo@web46113.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Joe is correct;
I did the Southwick conversion and removed it.  
 
Mike
________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To:
rikrock at live.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions

I think it provides the spacing
that allows you to set the factory spec end
play with the shims at the end of
the axle housing.

If you have the Southwick conversion or IRS, Iit is not
required.

Joe A.





-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Rock
<rikrock at live.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:29
pm
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions


Amici,

Can someone please
explain to me the function of the "thrust button"
(the cylindrical-shaped
spacer that fits inside the locker between the axle
shafts) and if/why it must
be installed on a solid axle car (TR-4)?

Thanks!
Rich Rock
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From jason at multivintage.com  Tue Oct 18 14:33:45 2011
From: jason at multivintage.com (Jason Ostrowski)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:33:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] RGB Season Final Race
In-Reply-To: <003701cc8daa$08f25e00$1ad71a00$@com>
References: <003701cc8daa$08f25e00$1ad71a00$@com>
Message-ID: <CALCydYpEchn-SW6iG+NTvSLkvrRnVJN0SwFV5v744xbb0xmtjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Entertaining YES! Brilliant drive as usual!
I must comment on how totally different the level of aggression is with your
sanctioning body from most club racing and virtually ALL vintage racing in
the U.S.
We race very hard and fast as well. But, pull some of the moves I have seen
by various drivers in your videos...
Your licence will most likely be suspended or put on probation.
Do it again and you may not be welcome back to race at all.
It is interesting that it seems almost every race weekend you have shown us,
a following driver approaches from behind in an attempt to pass and makes
contact with the rear fender of the lead driver.
This is simply not tolerated over here. And is... in most cases, likely
grounds for some type of probationary measure. and possibly suspension.
And to comment further... many have occurred very early in the race. As in
this case (with the two, front running cars, racing ahead of you) the one
contacts the other, with half the race to go...again in a questionable try
to say the least... taking both out of contention and letting you walk away.

In my opinion, this tendency seems unnecessarily aggressive. Patience and
good tact will reward a good driver with a pass... perhaps at a slightly
later point in the race... while giving the same racing enjoyment and a much
more mutual positive outcome.
Believe me, I understand that accidents happen and there are going to be
incidents with contact...but every race weekend...a few times?
It seems you guys may benefit from some tougher stewarding.... unless you
all enjoy weekly trips to the body shop.

Love your videos and envy your momentum,
Jason Ostrowski
Friendly Ghost Racing
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:24 AM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

> And the maybe more entertaining race 1:
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_Slgv6ZT4I
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2011 16:17
> An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
> Betreff: RGB Season Final Race
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> This is from race 2:
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuIQlMF1C7A
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
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From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Tue Oct 18 15:28:05 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:28:05 +0200
Subject: [Fot] RGB Season Final Race
In-Reply-To: <CALCydYpEchn-SW6iG+NTvSLkvrRnVJN0SwFV5v744xbb0xmtjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003701cc8daa$08f25e00$1ad71a00$@com>
	<CALCydYpEchn-SW6iG+NTvSLkvrRnVJN0SwFV5v744xbb0xmtjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000301cc8ddc$d46174e0$7d245ea0$@com>

Hi Jason,



what you say is true!

This year is very bad with car contact.

After 6 years of racing this year was the first year I had car contact, and
not only one but 5 in a row.

I would say with one contact I had a 50 percent share, the other contacts I
had were caused by others.



At the moment Im thinking about a punishment system and told the crowd
about it but nobody was fond of it.

Some did say that it might help, others fear that it might be possible that
drivers leaving our group with that system.



I have no better idea what to do against rude behavior of some drivers. And
the car contacts are always with the same bunch of drivers.

Morganeers, blue Spit pilots, yellow TR3, Topaz TR6, Marcos GT, grey TR4, MG
V8 and this year also a red TR4 with flames.



Cheers

Chris





Von: Jason Ostrowski [mailto:jason at multivintage.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2011 22:34
An: MadMarx
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] RGB Season Final Race



Entertaining YES! Brilliant drive as usual!

I must comment on how totally different the level of aggression is with your
sanctioning body from most club racing and virtually ALL vintage racing in
the U.S.

We race very hard and fast as well. But, pull some of the moves I have seen
by various drivers in your videos...

Your licence will most likely be suspended or put on probation.

Do it again and you may not be welcome back to race at all.

It is interesting that it seems almost every race weekend you have shown us,
a following driver approaches from behind in an attempt to pass and makes
contact with the rear fender of the lead driver.

This is simply not tolerated over here. And is... in most cases, likely
grounds for some type of probationary measure. and possibly suspension.

And to comment further... many have occurred very early in the race. As in
this case (with the two, front running cars, racing ahead of you) the one
contacts the other, with half the race to go...again in a questionable try
to say the least... taking both out of contention and letting you walk away.


In my opinion, this tendency seems unnecessarily aggressive. Patience and
good tact will reward a good driver with a pass... perhaps at a slightly
later point in the race... while giving the same racing enjoyment and a much
more mutual positive outcome.
Believe me, I understand that accidents happen and there are going to be
incidents with contact...but every race weekend...a few times?

It seems you guys may benefit from some tougher stewarding.... unless you
all enjoy weekly trips to the body shop.



Love your videos and envy your momentum,

Jason Ostrowski

Friendly Ghost Racing

On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:24 AM, MadMarx <tr4racing at googlemail.com> wrote:

And the maybe more entertaining race 1:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_Slgv6ZT4I



Cheers

Chris



Von: MadMarx [mailto:tr4racing at googlemail.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2011 16:17
An: 'fot at autox.team.net'
Betreff: RGB Season Final Race




Hi,

This is from race 2:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuIQlMF1C7A



Cheers

Chris
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From rikrock at live.com  Tue Oct 18 16:59:10 2011
From: rikrock at live.com (Rich Rock)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:59:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
Message-ID: <snt0-eas339CAFFA60CCD315FDD3C01C6E50@phx.gbl>

Thanks for all the  replies.  We had a ring gear lose a few teeth at Watkins
Glen and we're trying to figure out why it happened.

The TR4 has a Detroit locker and I noticed  there was no thrust button
installed, and I was wondering if that might have had something to do with it.
Since it also has the Southwick axle conversion, that's probably not the
reason.

Big thanks to Henry Frye whose spare ring and pinion saved the weekend for
us!

Rich Rock
________________________________
From: Mike Mehl
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 3:30 PM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; rikrock at live.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions

Joe is correct;
I did the Southwick conversion and removed it.o?=
o?=
Mike


________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: rikrock at live.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions

I think it provides the spacing that allows you to set the factory spec end
play with the shims at the end of the axle housing.

If you have the Southwick conversion or IRS, Iit is not required.

Joe A.





-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Rock <rikrock at live.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:29 pm
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions


Amici,

Can someone please explain to me the function of the "thrust button"
(the cylindrical-shaped spacer that fits inside the locker between the axle
shafts) and if/why it must be installed on a solid axle car (TR-4)?

Thanks!
Rich Rock
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From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Tue Oct 18 19:10:33 2011
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:10:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...
In-Reply-To: <5D18F7B8-A6FB-456B-95B3-FBDA43044225@gmail.com>
References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
	<1318876936.81601.YahooMailRC@web180614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<5D18F7B8-A6FB-456B-95B3-FBDA43044225@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1318986633.37820.YahooMailRC@web180616.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Checked the end float and that looks OK too.  I got .010" of movement but my
indicator was at a 20 degree angle one way and 5 or so the other.  If that
sounds OK then the only thing I can put the failure to is the pressure plate. 
It was the older style B&B with very little wear on the fingers from the T O
bearing.  If it was something to do with the adjustment of the clutch rod (I
don't believe it was), then that will be rectified when I set everything back
up.

Would anyone else be inclined to leave in the existing T O bearing since
those 
Koyos have their problems too?

Thanks again for the help.

Jim
________________________________
From: Duncan Charlton
<duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com>
To: sherry robyn <sherryjimmy6116 at att.net>
Cc:
FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, October 17, 2011 3:12:05 PM
Subject: Re:
[Fot] Need to figure out why my clutch stopped working...

Jim,

Sounds like
the clutch was dragging on the flywheel while the pedal was 
depressed, but
your examination of the parts doesn't explain why.  Best guess I 
have is that
the clutch travel was limited somehow.  Any chance their was air in 
the
system?  How much downward pedal travel was there before you could feel
resistance?  I assume on a TR6 you'd want some free play at the top of the
pedal 
travel.  How far from the floor did the pedal rise before the clutch
started to 
engage, when it was working properly?  Anything out of the normal
range suggests 
a geometry problem since the hydraulic clutch should
self-adjust.

Are you reusing the same pressure plate?  A few years back our
Morgan Plus 8's 
clutch was slipping badly in 3rd and 4th gear.  I was
surprised to find that the 
friction disc looked very good.  The pressure
plate likely had a lot of miles on 
it (189,000 miles were put on the car by
the PO before I got it...) and the 
diaphragm spring apparently no longer
created the original clamping force.  A 
new pressure plate made all the
difference (although it looked perfectly good, I 
had the driven plate
re-lined while I was at it since that size is obsolete and 
the TR4 unit used
by many is 1/2" smaller).  In all the clutch jobs I'd done 
this was the first
time I'd seen a slippage problem caused by the pressure plate 
getting weak.
Duncan
(Texas)

1952 Morgan Plus 4 #6 red

On Oct 17, 2011, at 1:42 PM, sherry
robyn wrote:

> so I don't put it back together and have the same problem.  
>
> The story is
> that I had never been into the clutch.  I only knew that the
PO 
> raced the 74
> TR6.  I autocrosses, and a hillclimb for the next couple
of years 
> with no
> problem.  Then at the tail end of this season at an
autocross, I could 
> smell
> my clutch after a run and it didn't want to go
into gear.  Double 
> clutching
> could get it to go.  There never had been
the typical TR6 problems 
> such as
> stiff clutch pedal, etc.
> 
> After
breaking it open, I find little wear on the
> spring fingers, a disk 
>
measuring appx. .290 in thickness, and all linkage
> even though plenty dirty
> functioning soundly.  The slave and master of the
> clutch is not losing
fluid, 
> and there is an adjustabe clutch rod that was in
> the middle hole
of the 
> engage/disengage lever that is only minimally worn
> oversize.
> 
>
I am putting in a new clutch, but at this point, I can't see what
> caused my
> failure in the first place.  Don't want to wrap it all up and have
> the
same 
> problem.
> 
> Thanks for any assistance, Jim
>
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Tue Oct 18 19:58:15 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 01:58:15 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
Message-ID: <20111018.215815.4601.1@webmail57.dca.untd.com>

Rich, I have cracked or broken 2 Detroit Lockers, where the ring gear flange
attaches to the rest of the locker body.  Looks for cracks there.  Yours may
be cracked there and being cracked it may have too much run-out, putting
additional load on some teeth resulting in a gear failure.  I still have some
good internal parts if anyone needs them, since I gave up on using DLs.
Joe(B)

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Rich Rock <rikrock at live.com>
To: Mike Mehl <mike.mehl at yahoo.com>, "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>,
"fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:59:10 -0400

Thanks for all the  replies.  We had a ring gear lose a few teeth at Watkins
Glen and we're trying to figure out why it happened.

The TR4 has a Detroit locker and I noticed  there was no thrust button
installed, and I was wondering if that might have had something to do with
it.
Since it also has the Southwick axle conversion, that's probably not the
reason.

Big thanks to Henry Frye whose spare ring and pinion saved the weekend for
us!

Rich Rock
________________________________
From: Mike Mehl
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 3:30 PM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; rikrock at live.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions

Joe is correct;
I did the Southwick conversion and removed it.o?=
o?=
Mike


________________________________
From: "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: rikrock at live.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions

I think it provides the spacing that allows you to set the factory spec end
play with the shims at the end of the axle housing.

If you have the Southwick conversion or IRS, Iit is not required.

Joe A.





-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Rock <rikrock at live.com>
To: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 17, 2011 4:29 pm
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Locker Questions


Amici,

Can someone please explain to me the function of the "thrust button"
(the cylindrical-shaped spacer that fits inside the locker between the axle
shafts) and if/why it must be installed on a solid axle car (TR-4)?

Thanks!
Rich Rock
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From info at dieselperformanceparts.com  Wed Oct 19 07:30:37 2011
From: info at dieselperformanceparts.com (Diesel Performance Parts - Info)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 08:30:37 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Stuff that needs a home-- and FOT Home
Message-ID: <C22F4A3F0AA3EA488D30A42FC8A4817639B2264F47@DIESEL-SERVER.dppi.local>

Members,

Bunch of stuff that needs a home all offers (reasonable) considered:

Item                              Part Number/Casting number
Koni Shocks                 80-1005  New but with no rubber bushings Fit TR2,
TR3
Trans Overdrive Unit      25/633301    015107     6  875  Laycock Tag info
Transmission                 88306468   V3038          10 spline 1.15" Shaft
at the splines. Has aluminum bell housing with the slave @ 2 o clock and
starter on passenger side
Transmission                 88306468  V3038           10 spline 0.90" Shaft
has aluminum bell housing with slave at 9 o clock and starter on left side
Overdrive Shaft             got two of them
Head                            6 Port N61 by lifter area, T27, 304955
Head                            8 port with D shaped exhaust outlet, 367871,
56
Head                            8 port with round exhaust port outlet, RKO,
27B6, 0589
Crane Camshaft            F-244 210-8, BN3437
Carrillo rods                  Big end 2.0", small end 0.810, center to center
is 6.0"
Cam bearings                1-363, CSB612, 730883M, 84-25-970  MGB I think
Push rods                     New chrome moly 6.0" length???




Mark Craig
Diesel Performance Parts, INC.
411 Allied Drive
Nashville, TN 37211
866-455-7788 Phone
615-834-9923 Fax

www.dieselperformanceparts.com


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 19 08:28:22 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:28:22 +0200
Subject: [Fot] RGB Season Final Race
In-Reply-To: <1056334662.892135.1318994395339.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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	<1056334662.892135.1318994395339.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <004301cc8e6b$5d890f10$189b2d30$@com>

And now, something completely different:

Drift practicing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKU5y8K-Tcw

 

Cheers

Chris


From jaboruch at netzero.net  Thu Oct 20 19:36:54 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 01:36:54 GMT
Subject: [Fot] 1500 Spitfire on Craigslist
Message-ID: <20111020.213654.5613.0@webmail55.dca.untd.com>

I came across this Spitfire on the Hartford, CT Craigslist.  NFI.

Last I saw this car was at an SCCA race at Lime Rock about 10 years ago.  It
looked like a clean well sorted car.  The top left picture is on the false
grid at LRP and it looks like my TR3 is in the background.  If I did not
already have so many cars and projects I would be interested in it.  Joe(B)

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Fri Oct 21 07:16:17 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:16:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] 1500 Spitfire on Craigslist
In-Reply-To: <20111020.213654.5613.0@webmail55.dca.untd.com>
References: <20111020.213654.5613.0@webmail55.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1110210915100.5208@isis.mit.edu>

Here's a link:

http://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/2616551087.html

regards,
rml
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Oct 21 08:45:40 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 10:45:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] spitfire rear engine plate in aluminum
Message-ID: <8CE5E173C9F5C89-968-26D7F@Webmail-d112.sysops.aol.com>

I sent Rob Dardano a Spitfire plate by mistake instead of his TR6.

Rather than have him send it back, make me an offer, and we will get it to
you.

Thanks,

Joe A


From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Fri Oct 21 13:01:16 2011
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:01:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Non-LBC: Looking for tow vehicle
Message-ID: <380-220111052119116818@M2W139.mail2web.com>

Hi everyone,

Brad and I have decided to start the search for a good tow vehicle. Right
now we are using a 1992 Ford F-350 diesel dually that we want to stop
shoveling money into, and have a 1990 Ford F-150 that Brad drives to work,
and a 1991 Mazda B2200 that is very rusty underneath. We figured we needed
to dump all of the above and get one truck we can tow the horse trailer and
possibly the race trailer (we usually use the Airstream or Dakota for that)
with, that he can also drive about 12 miles on a daily basis.

We thought we would tap the power of the list and ask if anyone knows of a
decent used truck we would be interested in. We are very budget-conscious
and are looking for the best deal we can get, and probably will have about
$7,500-9,500 to spend.

Specs we are interested in:
- 3/4 ton single rear axle
- Diesel preferred but will take a gas engine in the right truck
- Automatic transmission
- Towing package
- Extended cab preferred (or crew cab if the right truck)--no standard cabs
- Good a/c and heat system
- Power steering and brakes
- Good overall condition and no rust

We are willing to drive a ways to get the right truck home (we're in
central Kentucky), but far west destinations are probably out, just due to
the time/distance involved.

Thank you very much for any help you can give us!

Keep Triumphing,

Susan     :)

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From kaskas at cox.net  Fri Oct 21 16:28:20 2011
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 22:28:20 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Sebring 1963
Message-ID: <SNT120-W56A36156DBE2438C218AAFDFE80@phx.gbl>

In going through me daughter Jane's personal items after her recent death from
a tragic accident, I found this amazing official photo of the start of the
Sebring 1963 race, and on the back all the autographs of the drivers and folks
that were around at that time including  Gordon Jennings  along with ALL of
the drivers.  It will be posted on my web site shortly, www.kaskastner.com.

Never be beaten by equipment


From gasket.works at gte.net  Fri Oct 21 20:32:13 2011
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:32:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sebring 1963
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W56A36156DBE2438C218AAFDFE80@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W56A36156DBE2438C218AAFDFE80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6FE3915F-280F-4334-A0D0-DAB462FD434A@gte.net>

What a fabulous find.  I showed the photo to Karen.  She was really thrilled
to see her father's  and mom's names there.

Mordy

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 21, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:

> In going through me daughter Jane's personal items after her recent death
from
> a tragic accident, I found this amazing official photo of the start of the
> Sebring 1963 race, and on the back all the autographs of the drivers and
folks
> that were around at that time including  Gordon Jennings  along with ALL of
> the drivers.  It will be posted on my web site shortly, www.kaskastner.com.
>
> Never be beaten by equipment
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Fri Oct 21 20:34:18 2011
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 02:34:18 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Fw: 1500 Spitfire on Craigslist
Message-ID: <20111021.223418.29323.0@webmail55.dca.untd.com>

Sorry, for some reason the link did not stay with the note.  Here it is
http://hartford.craigslist.org/cto/2616551087.html
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: 1500 Spitfire on Craigslist
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 01:36:54 GMT

I came across this Spitfire on the Hartford, CT Craigslist.  NFI.

Last I saw this car was at an SCCA race at Lime Rock about 10 years ago.  It
looked like a clean well sorted car.  The top left picture is on the false
grid at LRP and it looks like my TR3 is in the background.  If I did not
already have so many cars and projects I would be interested in it.  Joe(B)

____________________________________________________________
60-Year-Old Mom Looks 27
Mom Reveals Free Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors!
http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4ea22beed36e3fe5beest06duc


From tr4racing at googlemail.com  Sat Oct 22 07:07:23 2011
From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 15:07:23 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Funny what you can do in Germany
In-Reply-To: <380-220111052119116818@M2W139.mail2web.com>
References: <380-220111052119116818@M2W139.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <001d01cc90bb$8d172490$a7456db0$@com>

A biker is passing a traffic control with 188 mph.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRyrySoJpR8&feature=related

Cheers
Chris


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Oct 22 11:30:33 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 13:30:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] MADMARX VITON SEAL     THREE KITS AVAILABLE-NOW
In-Reply-To: <8CE5EF6E7F9C5DF-2E0-2ADE1@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE5EF6E7F9C5DF-2E0-2ADE1@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CE5EF77022184D-2E0-2AE7F@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com>

I just received 15 viton seals yesterday from Chris.

After filling orders for four kits, I have three left.
At least until I am able to produce more seal housings.
These are the seals that retain the scroll function while adding a VITON LIP
SEAL in tandem.
VITON is absolutely the best seal material available for this application.
This kit does not require the machining of the crankshaft, thus avoiding that
cost and hassle.








Thanks,

Joe A


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Sat Oct 22 14:27:05 2011
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (vintage.racer at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 20:27:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Owners
Message-ID: <815343688.1074298.1319315225797.JavaMail.root@sz0063a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hello: 

FYI, a new (NOS) TR6 luggage rack on eBay, item number 160669834556 

GH 


From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Sat Oct 22 16:22:55 2011
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob Davis)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:22:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR2 or 3 license plate stop light
Message-ID: <4EA3423F.8030108@cfl.rr.com>

Any help is much appreciated finding a Lucas license plate/stop light 
for the TR2/3. Just finding the base is okay too, as I have an original 
lens. Not the Chinese junk the usual suppliers are selling. Those are 
not shaped correctly.

Slowly making headway toward finishing the recreation of the 57 TR3 the 
factory raced at Sebring. Winchester blue with red interior and hardtop.

thxx,
Bob Davis


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct 22 19:43:57 2011
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:43:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
Message-ID: <1319334237.3589.YahooMailNeo@web80806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Amici,
 
If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
satellite system,
you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic Cars
with Wayne Carini.
The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs at 1am
and 4am. 
 
He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44. You
can see a
TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one.
 
Doug


From sherryjimmy6116 at att.net  Sun Oct 23 12:56:53 2011
From: sherryjimmy6116 at att.net (sherry robyn)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 11:56:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Correctly using the adjustable clutch rod
In-Reply-To: <20BEED40-E6D9-4090-9929-87D3D78A28A2@bnj.com>
References: <4E9A0216.7030801@pobox.com>
	<1318876936.81601.YahooMailRC@web180614.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<5D18F7B8-A6FB-456B-95B3-FBDA43044225@gmail.com>
	<20BEED40-E6D9-4090-9929-87D3D78A28A2@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <1319396213.50080.YahooMailRC@web180601.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I see in Kas' book (book 2 I believe) page 84 where it talks about the
adjustable clutch rod, it states that the adjustable clutch rod...."allow(s) a
very fine adjustment to make certain the throwout bearing is in adjustment and
that the seals and crankshaft thrust washers are not threatened by
maladjustment 
of the rod."

My situation is that I just installed a new B&B
clutch assembly with a Koyo 
throwout bearing in my 74 TR6.  The linkage is
not completely free of movement 
due to wear but it is very minimal.  I have
adjusted the clutch rod to the stock 
length and the clutch functions but I
want to use the adjustable clutch rod as 
mentioned above.  The Koyo bearing
makes an throwout assembly that is appx. 1/16 
inch longer than stock not to
mention the bearing requiring more force to keep 
it spinning.  If I had all
stock items, I would likely use the adjustable clutch 
rod just to take up
wear in the future, but with the introduction of the Koyo 
bearing, I am
hoping to use the adjustable clutch rod as a way to have my 
components
operating optimally.  Any suggestions on how to do this would be 
greatly
appreciated.

Thanks, Jim


From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Oct 24 09:51:15 2011
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (davehogye)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:51:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] expansion tank needed
In-Reply-To: <2115915767.943517.1319470765837.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1361812475.944332.1319471475118.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hello all, 
I'm installing an aluminum radiator in my TR3 that doesn't have the original style filler neck and I'd like to place an expansion/fill tank in the battery box area. I know that Spits, TR8s and MGBs use an expansion tank and this is the type of tank that I would prefer using. Does anyone by any chance have one of these style tanks available? 
Thanks, 
Dave H. 


From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Mon Oct 24 12:53:21 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:53:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] expansion tank needed
In-Reply-To: <1361812475.944332.1319471475118.JavaMail.root@sz0047a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <02F270E5028946C18601218A271E4B37@gdhs.local>

Pegasus has a very nice one.....1.25 quart, 4.6" wide, 5.7" high,

John H. Hasty
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Subject: [Fot] expansion tank needed


Hello all,
I'm installing an aluminum radiator in my TR3 that doesn't have the original
style filler neck and I'd like to place an expansion/fill tank in the
battery box area. I know that Spits, TR8s and MGBs use an expansion tank and
this is the type of tank that I would prefer using. Does anyone by any
chance have one of these style tanks available?
Thanks,
Dave H.
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Oct 26 09:34:20 2011
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 11:34:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
Message-ID: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time, 
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:


> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic 
> Cars
> with Wayne Carini.  The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs 
> at 1am
> and 4am.  He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44. You
> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>

I watched that show last night and found it very interesting.  I remember 
that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and 
Watkins Glen.  It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a Doctor 
from Mystic, CT.  It went FAST.  One thing I remember about it was that it 
went back into its enclosed trailer every night.  It then stopped showing up 
at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty' 
divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets.  At the time 
(early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me that 
it really was not for sale.  Well, apparently it has sat in the 
basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale again.  This 
time $45-50,000.00 price tag.

Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.  An 86 
year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had purchased 
in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping 
costs).  The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for 
about three quarters of a million dollars.

Wow!

Bill Dentinger


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Oct 26 10:24:30 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 09:24:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
References: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAFC3043637346AB8DBB74D8711CB778@Charly>

for those of you who may not get the Discovery Velocity station (which I 
don't) you can view a clip of the car being started @:
http://velocity.discovery.com/videos/chasing-classic-cars/  It's under the 
F40 Fix-Up
Roger of F40 Motorsports begins to work on fixing up a Triumph TR4., which 
is the company who was working on it.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillDentin at aol.com>
To: <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars


> In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>
>> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
>> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
>> Cars
>> with Wayne Carini.  The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
>> at 1am
>> and 4am.  He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44. 
>> You
>> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>
>
> I watched that show last night and found it very interesting.  I remember
> that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
> Watkins Glen.  It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a 
> Doctor
> from Mystic, CT.  It went FAST.  One thing I remember about it was that it
> went back into its enclosed trailer every night.  It then stopped showing 
> up
> at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
> divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets.  At the 
> time
> (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me 
> that
> it really was not for sale.  Well, apparently it has sat in the
> basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale 
> again.  This
> time $45-50,000.00 price tag.
>
> Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.  An 
> 86
> year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had 
> purchased
> in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
> costs).  The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
> about three quarters of a million dollars.
>
> Wow!
>
> Bill Dentinger
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Oct 26 10:25:16 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:25:16 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
References: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F04E639@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

I watched it too. Wayne Carini is asking $55K for it and it seems quite high
from a value perspective. It seemed like a nice car, but having been parked
that long I doubt it has things like a Moldex crank, Uncle Jack front hubs and
Southwick axle. As it is there seems to be a glut of TR4/4A's  for sale these
days with four on Race-cars.com with asking prices from a low of 17K up to a
high of 28.5K, and some of them have comparable "SCCA" race history. We need
some buyers to put these cars back on track!

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell


Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out. ~John Wooden


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of BillDentin at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 10:34 AM
To: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars

In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:


> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
> Cars
> with Wayne Carini.  The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
> at 1am
> and 4am.  He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44. You
> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>

I watched that show last night and found it very interesting.  I remember
that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
Watkins Glen.  It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a
Doctor
from Mystic, CT.  It went FAST.  One thing I remember about it was that it
went back into its enclosed trailer every night.  It then stopped showing up
at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets.  At the time
(early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me that
it really was not for sale.  Well, apparently it has sat in the
basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale again.
This
time $45-50,000.00 price tag.

Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.  An 86
year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had purchased
in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
costs).  The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
about three quarters of a million dollars.

Wow!

Bill Dentinger
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From andre at gt6.ca  Wed Oct 26 10:44:59 2011
From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:44:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <BAFC3043637346AB8DBB74D8711CB778@Charly>
References: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
	<BAFC3043637346AB8DBB74D8711CB778@Charly>
Message-ID: <CADr8x9ZdGaKAAAy1Y_Ddme1Ya_EdWyWggU71-6qi8JUEG5eong@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.gt6.ca/09/0105/slides/DSCN4284.html

Yeah we've all be down there working in the foot well.

A.

On 26 October 2011 12:24, Charly Mitchel <charly at mitchelplumbing.com> wrote:
> for those of you who may not get the Discovery Velocity station (which I
> don't) you can view a clip of the car being started @:
> http://velocity.discovery.com/videos/chasing-classic-cars/  It's under the
> F40 Fix-Up
> Roger of F40 Motorsports begins to work on fixing up a Triumph TR4., which
> is the company who was working on it.
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <BillDentin at aol.com>
> To: <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 8:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
>
>
>> In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
>> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:
>>
>>
>>> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
>>> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
>>> Cars
>>> with Wayne Carini.  The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
>>> at 1am
>>> and 4am.  He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44.
>>> You
>>> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>
>>
>> I watched that show last night and found it very interesting.  I remember
>> that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
>> Watkins Glen.  It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a
>> Doctor
>> from Mystic, CT.  It went FAST.  One thing I remember about it was that it
>> went back into its enclosed trailer every night.  It then stopped showing
>> up
>> at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
>> divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets.  At the
>> time
>> (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me
>> that
>> it really was not for sale.  Well, apparently it has sat in the
>> basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale
>> again.  This
>> time $45-50,000.00 price tag.
>>
>> Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.  An
>> 86
>> year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had
>> purchased
>> in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
>> costs).  The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
>> about three quarters of a million dollars.
>>
>> Wow!
>>
>> Bill Dentinger
>> _______________________________________________
>> fot at autox.team.net
>>
>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Wed Oct 26 10:46:50 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 09:46:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
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Message-ID: <8DF191C563994007848D19A0CC71B354@Charly>

I didn't see the show in it's entirety and it seems to me that if it's an 
original Group $$ (44) that it may have that kind of value.  It seems that 
racecars with prominence history have a very high value (or the sellers 
think so).
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kramer, Robert" <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>
To: <BillDentin at aol.com>; <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars


>I watched it too. Wayne Carini is asking $55K for it and it seems quite 
>high
> from a value perspective. It seemed like a nice car, but having been 
> parked
> that long I doubt it has things like a Moldex crank, Uncle Jack front hubs 
> and
> Southwick axle. As it is there seems to be a glut of TR4/4A's  for sale 
> these
> days with four on Race-cars.com with asking prices from a low of 17K up to 
> a
> high of 28.5K, and some of them have comparable "SCCA" race history. We 
> need
> some buyers to put these cars back on track!
>
> Bob Kramer
> Southern Construction Inventory Manager
> RDO Equipment Company
> 16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-687-7422 Office
> 512-657-8526 Cell
>
>
> Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things 
> turn
> out. ~John Wooden
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On 
> Behalf
> Of BillDentin at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 10:34 AM
> To: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
>
> In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>
>> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
>> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
>> Cars
>> with Wayne Carini.  The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
>> at 1am
>> and 4am.  He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44. 
>> You
>> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>
>
> I watched that show last night and found it very interesting.  I remember
> that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
> Watkins Glen.  It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a
> Doctor
> from Mystic, CT.  It went FAST.  One thing I remember about it was that it
> went back into its enclosed trailer every night.  It then stopped showing 
> up
> at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
> divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets.  At the 
> time
> (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me 
> that
> it really was not for sale.  Well, apparently it has sat in the
> basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale 
> again.
> This
> time $45-50,000.00 price tag.
>
> Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.  An 
> 86
> year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had 
> purchased
> in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
> costs).  The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
> about three quarters of a million dollars.
>
> Wow!
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed Oct 26 10:47:06 2011
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:47:06 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Wizard Cooling Aluminum Radiators
Message-ID: <639D962395858A4A9115928BC4BE031F04E68D@RDOEX2K10-MB.rdoe.com>

I just had a good customer service experience with these guys. I've had a fair
amount of trouble with the TR4A radiator I bought from them a few years ago.
The upper hose angle was wrong, angled up instead of horizontal and although a
silicone upper hose solved the fitment problem, the radiator eventually
started leaking around the upper tank welds. I suspect that the wrong hose
angle put some extra pressure on the tube and spread the problem elsewhere.

Regardless, Wizard has changed hands since I bought my radiator, it is way out
of warranty and yet the new owners took care of me. They took the time to
understand the problem, looked at mine for repair potential and in the end
they offered to sell me a new radiator at their cost to solve the problem. The
repair quote was quite reasonable, but I was wary of an epoxy repair to an all
aluminum radiator even after fixing the upper tube problem.

YMMV

Bob Kramer
Southern Construction Inventory Manager
RDO Equipment Company
16415 N. IH 35  Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-687-7422 Office
512-657-8526 Cell

Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn
out.
<http://walkthetalk.us1.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=8f89bce0be7e1813d8ad34
042&id=abf4a5c42b&e=7085705c50> ~John Wooden


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Wed Oct 26 10:48:01 2011
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (toodamnfunky at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:48:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1556857802.1138160.1319647681421.JavaMail.root@sz0004a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

F40 Motorsports has it for sale on thei r website for $ 55K.



http://www.f40.com/inventorymanager.php?action=view&Id=372344



The good news is he will finance it.





jg



----- Original Message -----


From: BillDentin at aol.com
To: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net, fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:34:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars

In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:


> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
> Cars
> with Wayne Carini. B The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
> at 1am
> and 4am. B He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44. You
> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>

I watched that show last night and found it very interesting. B I remember
that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
Watkins Glen. B It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a
Doctor
from Mystic, CT. B It went FAST. B One thing I remember about it was that it
went back into its enclosed trailer every night. B It then stopped showing up
at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets. B At the
time
(early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me that
it really was not for sale. B Well, apparently it has sat in the
basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale again.
B This
time $45-50,000.00 price tag.

Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting. B An 86
year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had purchased
in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
costs). B The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
about three quarters of a million dollars.

Wow!

Bill Dentinger
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From rjl6n at cstone.net  Wed Oct 26 12:25:08 2011
From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:25:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
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Message-ID: <ea62897a83f08a71e6d4ff8252de647c.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net>

	Finance a race car?  That really sounds like a "fantastic"
idea to me...


	 


	No thanks,


	John


	 


	On Wed, October 26, 2011 12:48 pm, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:

	> F40 Motorsports has it for sale on thei r website for $ 55K.

	>

	>

	>

	> http://www.f40.com/inventorymanager.php?action=view&Id=372344

	>

	>

	>

	> The good news is he will finance it.

	>

	>

	>

	>

	>

	> jg

	>

	>

	>

	> ----- Original Message -----

	>

	>

	>

	From: BillDentin at aol.com

	> To: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net, fot at autox.team.net

	> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:34:20 AM

	> Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars

	>

	> In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,

	> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:

	>

	>

	>> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on
your cable or

	>> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing
Classic

	>> Cars

	>> with Wayne Carini. B The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm
eastern.

	>> Re-airs

	>> at 1am

	>> and 4am. B He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White
number 44.

	>> You

	>> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one.
>>>

	>

	> I watched that show last night and found it very interesting. B I
remember

	> that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America,
and

	> Watkins Glen. B It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven
well by a

	> Doctor

	> from Mystic, CT. B It went FAST. B One thing I remember about it was
that

	> it

	> went back into its enclosed trailer every night. B It then stopped
showing

	> up

	> at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a
&#39;dirty&#39;

	> divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets. B
At the

	> time

	> (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested
to me

	> that

	> it really was not for sale. B Well, apparently it has sat in the

	> basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for
sale

	> again.

	> B This

	> time $45-50,000.00 price tag.

	>

	> Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.
B An

	> 86

	> year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had

	> purchased

	> in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including
shipping

	> costs). B The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will
sell

	> for

	> about three quarters of a million dollars.

	>

	> Wow!

	>

	> Bill Dentinger

	> _______________________________________________

	> fot at autox.team.net

	>

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Oct 26 12:29:12 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:29:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <8DF191C563994007848D19A0CC71B354@Charly>
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	<8DF191C563994007848D19A0CC71B354@Charly>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1110261425450.12027@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 26 Oct 2011, Charly Mitchel wrote:

> I didn't see the show in it's entirety and it seems to me that if it's an 
> original Group $$ (44) that it may have that kind of value.  It seems that 
> racecars with prominence history have a very high value (or the sellers think 
> so).

The car in the show was def. NOT a Group 44 car.

As for the asking price, that's not for me to decide. It does look like a 
nice, clean car and it has been raced since new in '62, so it def. has 
provenance.

One of the highlights of the show for me was hearing the car bark to life. 
It sounded really sweet. :-) :-)

> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44

regards,
rml
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From LimeyV8 at aol.com  Wed Oct 26 15:15:54 2011
From: LimeyV8 at aol.com (Jack Mc)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:15:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
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F40 Motorsports is the name of Wayne Carini's business.

The tv show must have a really long lead time between tape and air - the ad
for that car has been up on the F40 web site for well over a year

Cheers,
Jack Mc

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 26, 2011, at 12:48 PM, toodamnfunky at comcast.net wrote:

> F40 Motorsports has it for sale on thei r website for $ 55K.
>
>
>
> http://www.f40.com/inventorymanager.php?action=view&Id=372344
>
>
>
> The good news is he will finance it.
>
>
>
>
>
> jg
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: BillDentin at aol.com
> To: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net, fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:34:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
>
> In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>
>> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
>> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
>> Cars
>> with Wayne Carini. B The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
>> at 1am
>> and 4am. B He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44.
You
>> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>
>
> I watched that show last night and found it very interesting. B I remember
> that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
> Watkins Glen. B It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a
> Doctor
> from Mystic, CT. B It went FAST. B One thing I remember about it was that
it
> went back into its enclosed trailer every night. B It then stopped showing
up
> at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
> divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets. B At the
> time
> (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me
that
> it really was not for sale. B Well, apparently it has sat in the
> basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale
again.
> B This
> time $45-50,000.00 price tag.
>
> Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting. B An
86
> year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had purchased
> in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
> costs). B The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
> about three quarters of a million dollars.
>
> Wow!
>
> Bill Dentinger
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From stutzmans at comcast.net  Wed Oct 26 17:19:02 2011
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzmans)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:19:02 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <3A51764FB8754789B6F131C9E2E12AF5@ComputerPC>

Bill,
The Dr. who owned and raced that car was Bill Colum ,my spellimg may be off. 
He never hung with the rest of us TR guys.  Sure was a nice car though.
Bruce
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillDentin at aol.com>
To: <dmitchel at sbcglobal.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars


> In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>
>> <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
>> satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
>> Cars
>> with Wayne Carini.  The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
>> at 1am
>> and 4am.  He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44. 
>> You
>> can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>
>
> I watched that show last night and found it very interesting.  I remember
> that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
> Watkins Glen.  It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a 
> Doctor
> from Mystic, CT.  It went FAST.  One thing I remember about it was that it
> went back into its enclosed trailer every night.  It then stopped showing 
> up
> at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
> divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets.  At the 
> time
> (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me 
> that
> it really was not for sale.  Well, apparently it has sat in the
> basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale 
> again.  This
> time $45-50,000.00 price tag.
>
> Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.  An 
> 86
> year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had 
> purchased
> in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
> costs).  The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
> about three quarters of a million dollars.
>
> Wow!
>
> Bill Dentinger
> _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From rjohns at woh.rr.com  Wed Oct 26 17:31:47 2011
From: rjohns at woh.rr.com (Robert Johns)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 19:31:47 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Charly Mitchel's  Topic #2 message , Vol 59, Issue 28
Message-ID: <0B27F106AAB64C79B2AB0BD9E54A6DA9@Bucktailus>

The Roger that Charly refers to is Roger Barr who does twist wrenches for F40.
He was my room mate in those long ago days in Germany when I was working my
way into Road Racing.  He came over to our outfit about a year prior to my
coming home and jumped right into the Sports Car scene.  He bought a used
MG-TD.  Was following me one day and disappeared. I turned around and went
back and there he was,  with the TD on its side.  Very little damage but
bruised feelings.  I am in contact with him again after all there years.  He
tells me he got into buying used / wrecked MG A's there in Germany, and
piecing them together to make a road / race units. Remember we drove our cars
to the track and that was our wheels home.  Spent to usual, as much as
possible on the Nurburgring practicing, as we all did.  He had a successful
stint back in the states making and racing Formula Vs.  I think he was  an
SCCA champ one year.  I know that, a now deceased friend, Norman  Babcock ran
into to him in California at one of the National Run offs. So that is who
"Roger " is FYI.

Bob Johns


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 07:17:04 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:17:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <CAP9qD9NWdquYDx4s+S=0EHMQuq8b_A7BPoXJD0awuEUpF4xQDg@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, that was interesting about the TR, my wife even watched it an then
wanted to know ,jokingly, when I was going to sell, I told her just about
the time the older gentleman sold his Ferrari ! Eighty nine years old I
believe he said he was. Love to see the segment of when he sells both cars
at an auction and what he really gets. I hope that when we all get that age
that there is someone interesting in racing/running our cars....look out
flying machines !

rob deanes

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:34 AM, <BillDentin at aol.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>
> > <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
> > satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing Classic
> > Cars
> > with Wayne Carini.  The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern. Re-airs
> > at 1am
> > and 4am.  He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44.
> You
> > can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>
>
> I watched that show last night and found it very interesting.  I remember
> that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
> Watkins Glen.  It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by a
> Doctor
> from Mystic, CT.  It went FAST.  One thing I remember about it was that it
> went back into its enclosed trailer every night.  It then stopped showing
> up
> at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
> divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets.  At the
> time
> (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to me
> that
> it really was not for sale.  Well, apparently it has sat in the
> basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale
> again.  This
> time $45-50,000.00 price tag.
>
> Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting.  An 86
> year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had purchased
> in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including shipping
> costs).  The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell for
> about three quarters of a million dollars.
>
> Wow!
>
> Bill Dentinger
>  _______________________________________________
> fot at autox.team.net
>
> http://www.fot-racing.com
>
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Thu Oct 27 08:10:57 2011
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Mordy)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:10:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Charly Mitchel's  Topic #2 message , Vol 59, Issue 28
In-Reply-To: <0B27F106AAB64C79B2AB0BD9E54A6DA9@Bucktailus>
References: <0B27F106AAB64C79B2AB0BD9E54A6DA9@Bucktailus>
Message-ID: <A30832E2-C6DC-49D7-A752-6DEB405533E4@gte.net>

Bob

Good story.....

 Smallish world...in our group of misfits.
Mordy

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 26, 2011, at 4:31 PM, "Robert Johns" <rjohns at woh.rr.com> wrote:

> The Roger that Charly refers to is Roger Barr who does twist wrenches for
F40.
> He was my room mate in those long ago days in Germany when I was working my
> way into Road Racing.  He came over to our outfit about a year prior to my
> coming home and jumped right into the Sports Car scene.  He bought a used
> MG-TD.  Was following me one day and disappeared. I turned around and went
> back and there he was,  with the TD on its side.  Very little damage but
> bruised feelings.  I am in contact with him again after all there years.
He
> tells me he got into buying used / wrecked MG A's there in Germany, and
> piecing them together to make a road / race units. Remember we drove our
cars
> to the track and that was our wheels home.  Spent to usual, as much as
> possible on the Nurburgring practicing, as we all did.  He had a successful
> stint back in the states making and racing Formula Vs.  I think he was  an
> SCCA champ one year.  I know that, a now deceased friend, Norman  Babcock
ran
> into to him in California at one of the National Run offs. So that is who
> "Roger " is FYI.
>
> Bob Johns
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From trdoctor at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 15:10:30 2011
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:10:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Red Line Oil
References: <956913E1-72C8-40EE-A34F-1D744DE6D572@aol.com>
Message-ID: <DD28A209-0734-441C-B631-A16884B2BB47@aol.com>

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Sam Clark <trdoctor at aol.com>
> Subject: Red Line Oil
> Date: October 27, 2011 4:08:02 PM CDT
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net, 6pack at autox.team.net
>
> Here is a response from Red Line on the usage.
>
> Sam,
> HTH
>
> Sorry for the confusion, your differential originally called for a SAE 90
GL-4, the MT-90 is a well suited replacement.
> A GL-4 gear oil is suitable for a zero or low offset hypoid ring and pinion
as well as straight pattern gears fitted in differentials.
> A high offset hypoid gear, where the pinion approaches the ring gear well
below it's centerline requires an extreme pressure, GL-5 type gear oil. The
note refers to late model separate differentials which typically contain a
high offset hypoid gear.
>
> Regards, Dave
> Red Line Oil


From rfdeanes at gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 15:16:04 2011
From: rfdeanes at gmail.com (Robert Deanes)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:16:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W24EE72677AA36F7C102FC3DFD20@phx.gbl>
References: <a0d6c.39b17f16.3bd9827c@aol.com>
	<CAP9qD9NWdquYDx4s+S=0EHMQuq8b_A7BPoXJD0awuEUpF4xQDg@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT120-W24EE72677AA36F7C102FC3DFD20@phx.gbl>
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I still have 34 years.. till 89 ,.....if I can just remember as much as you
probably have forgotten i will be doing good.

rob deanes

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Kas Kastner <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:

>  i am already there and then some pal, and fast cars aare still a gas.
> Don't fret, keep your mind right.
>
> Never be beaten by equipment
>
> > Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:17:04 -0400
> > From: rfdeanes at gmail.com
> > To: BillDentin at aol.com
> > CC: fot at autox.team.net
>
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
> >
>  > Yes, that was interesting about the TR, my wife even watched it an then
> > wanted to know ,jokingly, when I was going to sell, I told her just about
> > the time the older gentleman sold his Ferrari ! Eighty nine years old I
> > believe he said he was. Love to see the segment of when he sells both
> cars
> > at an auction and what he really gets. I hope that when we all get that
> age
> > that there is someone interesting in racing/running our cars....look out
> > flying machines !
> >
> > rob deanes
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:34 AM, <BillDentin at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In a message dated 10/22/2011 11:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > <<< If you recieve Velocity (formerly HD Theatre) on your cable or
> > > > satellite system, you might be interested in this weeks Chasing
> Classic
> > > > Cars
> > > > with Wayne Carini. The show airs Tuesday 10/25 at 10pm eastern.
> Re-airs
> > > > at 1am
> > > > and 4am. He is buying/brokering a 1962 TR4 race car. White number 44.
> > > You
> > > > can see a TRF sticker as well as a Quaker State one. >>>
> > >
> > > I watched that show last night and found it very interesting. I
> remember
> > > that car well and raced against it often at Mid-Ohio, Road America, and
> > > Watkins Glen. It was extremely well prepared, owned and driven well by
> a
> > > Doctor
> > > from Mystic, CT. It went FAST. One thing I remember about it was that
> it
> > > went back into its enclosed trailer every night. It then stopped
> showing
> > > up
> > > at events, and rumor had it that the owner was going through a 'dirty'
> > > divorce, and the car was put up for sale along with other assets. At
> the
> > > time
> > > (early to mid-1990s) the asking price was $40,000, which suggested to
> me
> > > that
> > > it really was not for sale. Well, apparently it has sat in the
> > > basement/garage ever since and now will be detailed and put up for sale
> > > again. This
> > > time $45-50,000.00 price tag.
> > >
> > > Nice TV show, the second segment of which was even more interesting. An
> 86
> > > year old gentleman was finally parting with a rare Ferrari he had
> purchased
> > > in the mid-1960s, over in Italy for around $5,000.00 (including
> shipping
> > > costs). The broker who is handling the sale now suggests it will sell
> for
> > > about three quarters of a million dollars.
> > >
> > > Wow!
> > >
> > > Bill Dentinger
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > fot at autox.team.net
> > >
> > > http://www.fot-racing.com
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> >
> > --
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> > TR Racer
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> >
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From jfrymark at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 16:11:59 2011
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:11:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
Message-ID: <E634BBE0-F961-41FD-B2D8-7981DF628F71@aol.com>

I noted the scene where the Dr. is talking about his racing days in  
past tense and over his shoulder is a top-down convertible MBZ with a  
baby seat installed. Explained it all to me: Vintage racing is an OLD  
man's game! Let the comments fly...

John Frymark


From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Oct 27 17:28:06 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:28:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <E634BBE0-F961-41FD-B2D8-7981DF628F71@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <7F95F5FAE1874FAB85F9B7295CB0C0CD@Vista>

John, you are far from what I'd consider "OLD", yet you are involved in
vintage racing.  How do you square that?

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of John Frymark
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 3:12 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars

I noted the scene where the Dr. is talking about his racing days in  
past tense and over his shoulder is a top-down convertible MBZ with a  
baby seat installed. Explained it all to me: Vintage racing is an OLD  
man's game! Let the comments fly...

John Frymark
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From jfrymark at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 17:54:54 2011
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:54:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
In-Reply-To: <7F95F5FAE1874FAB85F9B7295CB0C0CD@Vista>
References: <E634BBE0-F961-41FD-B2D8-7981DF628F71@aol.com>
	<7F95F5FAE1874FAB85F9B7295CB0C0CD@Vista>
Message-ID: <9291AE34-8C9A-4F21-B2DA-011955DEFA6B@aol.com>

Joe,
Yes I've been involved in vintage racing, but in 2 years when my last  
kid is through college I hope to be COMMITTED to vintage racing!

On Oct 27, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Joe Curry wrote:

> John, you are far from what I'd consider "OLD", yet you are involved  
> in
> vintage racing.  How do you square that?
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]  
> On
> Behalf Of John Frymark
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 3:12 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
>
> I noted the scene where the Dr. is talking about his racing days in
> past tense and over his shoulder is a top-down convertible MBZ with a
> baby seat installed. Explained it all to me: Vintage racing is an OLD
> man's game! Let the comments fly...
>
> John Frymark
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From jhhasty at gdhs.com  Fri Oct 28 08:27:59 2011
From: jhhasty at gdhs.com (John Hasty)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:27:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
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Message-ID: <4ABD7CCBE24C4ACD88295D2DD956244D@gdhs.local>

Jon:  Don't forget grandkids and college, I speak from experience!

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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
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Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 7:55 PM
To: Joe Curry
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars


Joe,
Yes I've been involved in vintage racing, but in 2 years when my last
kid is through college I hope to be COMMITTED to vintage racing!

On Oct 27, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Joe Curry wrote:

> John, you are far from what I'd consider "OLD", yet you are involved
> in
> vintage racing.  How do you square that?
>
> Joe C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On
> Behalf Of John Frymark
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 3:12 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Chasing Classic Cars
>
> I noted the scene where the Dr. is talking about his racing days in
> past tense and over his shoulder is a top-down convertible MBZ with a
> baby seat installed. Explained it all to me: Vintage racing is an OLD
> man's game! Let the comments fly...
>
> John Frymark
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From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Oct 29 06:07:21 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 08:07:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Business for sale
Message-ID: <000601cc9633$50348720$f09d9560$@rogers.com>

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-30-yr-Parts-collection-TR2-TR3-TR4-TR6-TR7-T
R8-Stag-GT6-Spit-/160671995346?hash=item2568cc15d2
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-30-yr-Parts-collection-TR2-TR3-TR4-TR6-TR7-
TR8-Stag-GT6-Spit-/160671995346?hash=item2568cc15d2&item=160671995346&pt=Mot
ors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr>
&item=160671995346&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr


From macdonaldp at rogers.com  Sat Oct 29 07:23:13 2011
From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (macdonaldp)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:23:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Business for sale
Message-ID: <000b01cc963d$e98523d0$bc8f6b70$@rogers.com>

Try that again

http://tinyurl.com/44c7lvg



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Behalf Of macdonaldp
Sent: October 29, 2011 8:07 AM
To: Fot
Subject: [Bulk] [Fot] Triumph Business for sale

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-30-yr-Parts-collection-TR2-TR3-TR4-TR6-TR7-T
R8-Stag-GT6-Spit-/160671995346?hash=item2568cc15d2
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-30-yr-Parts-collection-TR2-TR3-TR4-TR6-TR7-
TR8-Stag-GT6-Spit-/160671995346?hash=item2568cc15d2&item=160671995346&pt=Mot
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sat Oct 29 10:01:54 2011
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:01:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Business for sale
Message-ID: <22794.1319904114@mitchelplumbing.com>

	Does that include the Jag E-type?

	Charly Mitchel  BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif;font-size:12px; }
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[1]
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Sat Oct 29 16:49:39 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:49:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Business for sale
In-Reply-To: <22794.1319904114@mitchelplumbing.com>
References: <22794.1319904114@mitchelplumbing.com>
Message-ID: <4EAC8303.9070109@charter.net>

List
anyone interested in a limited partnership?
Glenn
On 10/29/2011 12:01 PM, Charly wrote:
> 	Does that include the Jag E-type?
>
> 	Charly Mitchel  BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica,
> sans-serif;font-size:12px; }
>   On Sat 29/10/11 5:07 AM , "macdonaldp" macdonaldp at rogers.com sent:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-30-yr-Parts-collection-TR2-TR3-TR4-TR6-TR7-T
> [1]
>   R8-Stag-GT6-Spit-/160671995346?hash=item2568cc15d2
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Oct 29 19:26:46 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:26:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Triumph Business for sale
In-Reply-To: <4EAC8303.9070109@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20111029212646.H60Q1.1255094.imail@fed1rmwml44>

It would have too be extremely "limited" for me to participate.

Joe C.

---- Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net> wrote: 
> List
> anyone interested in a limited partnership?
> Glenn
> On 10/29/2011 12:01 PM, Charly wrote:
> > 	Does that include the Jag E-type?
> >
> > 	Charly Mitchel  BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica,
> > sans-serif;font-size:12px; }
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Mon Oct 31 11:47:19 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:47:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
Message-ID: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>

Hi All

I have torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out cams.
The latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes 
severely worn.

I know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if any 
Zinc Additives are out there.

For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn 30wt break in oil, Valvoline 
Racing oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest in zinc of the diesel oils)

As these engines age their owners are going to start changing their own 
oil, Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
As I understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
I'm running it in my engine as well.

I'm now very concerned and would like to get this under control with an 
additive.

Any Suggestions?
Thanks in Advance
Glenn Franco
Too Many TR's


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon Oct 31 12:54:27 2011
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:54:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7402684962@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

I've purchased a RedLine additive, referred to as a "break-in" additive,
which says it has all the ZDDP you could want.  I've been running that
in my street GT6 for a while now, with the Castrol GTX 20w50.  So far,
so good.  Hasn't been that long (a month or so?)

Scott

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Behalf Of Glenn Franco
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 12:47 PM
To: Friends of triumph; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.

Hi All

I have torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out
cams.
The latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes
severely worn.

I know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if any

Zinc Additives are out there.

For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn 30wt break in oil, Valvoline
Racing oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest in zinc of the diesel
oils)

As these engines age their owners are going to start changing their own
oil, Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
As I understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
I'm running it in my engine as well.

I'm now very concerned and would like to get this under control with an
additive.

Any Suggestions?
Thanks in Advance
Glenn Franco
Too Many TR's
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From emanteno at comcast.net  Mon Oct 31 13:49:05 2011
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 14:49:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <00db01cc97fe$38a02b10$a9e08130$@com>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
	<00db01cc97fe$38a02b10$a9e08130$@com>
Message-ID: <CAFWFMyjrzeVK-HcVKHmxQ2zBqQBuT9+CmGQ7_ONuomoOkSau5Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:52 PM, David Fidler <DJFidler at rogers.com> wrote:

> Glenn, there's a product called ZDDP, which you pour in when you change
> your
> oil. It's available from Moss. Also, a couple of oil companies still
> manufacture oil with high zinc content. Valvoline VR-1 and Kendall GR-1
> (Called Penzoil in the US I think?)
>


The oil from the refinery in Pennsylvania that used to market as Kendall
now sells that oil
as Brad Penn. It is the same green color as the Kendall. It is also claimed
to contain
an adequate amount of ZDDP to protect our flat tappets.

Irv Korey
74 TR6 CF22767U
Highland Park, IL


From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon Oct 31 14:25:15 2011
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 15:25:15 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
Message-ID: <4EAF042B.8080906@pobox.com>

If I remember the ratings, SJ was the good stuff, which is now 
impossible to find.  SM is the low zinc rating.  There is an 
intermediate SL rating which is available in straight weight oils.  That 
is what I've been using  in my old cars that I run on the street without 
using any zinc additives.  These are fair weather cars anyway, so I 
don't see the need for multi-visc.

On 10/31/2011 12:47 PM, Glenn Franco wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I have torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out 
> cams.
> The latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes 
> severely worn.
>
> I know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if 
> any Zinc Additives are out there.
>
> For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn 30wt break in oil, Valvoline 
> Racing oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest in zinc of the diesel 
> oils)
>
> As these engines age their owners are going to start changing their 
> own oil, Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
> As I understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
> I'm running it in my engine as well.
>
> I'm now very concerned and would like to get this under control with 
> an additive.
>
> Any Suggestions?
> Thanks in Advance
> Glenn Franco
> Too Many TR's
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Oct 31 15:20:31 2011
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:20:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <4EAF042B.8080906@pobox.com>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net> <4EAF042B.8080906@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1110311707190.19297@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

Jumping on what Larry says, I think the last API rating with high zonc was 
SG. If you look around, you can find oil with that rating, but it's not 
going to be sold as automotive-use because I believe the API has an 
agreement to remove various metals (mostly zinc and manganese compounds) 
from automotive motor oil due to various reasons (like catalytic converter 
service life intervals).

That said, and echoing what others have said, the Brad Penn stuff has the 
high levels as do a number of others that are specialty oils. Do not 
assume that because the labelling says "racing" in it that this is any 
indication of the actual content of the bottle. There's a lot of 
"marketing" in automotive motor oils. You either want the SG API rating or 
you want an actual MSDS or other documentation that the oil has >1200 ppm 
of ZDDP.

Regarding the additives, you can get them from various sources including 
the big three and a few of the specialists (like Goodparts to name just 
one). There's ZDDP+ and the RedLine break-in additive to name two that 
I've used.

I've used Castrol GTX since forever and I started loosing cams in about 
1997 when the change to SJ occurred (if memory serves). It was either SJ 
or SL (I do not believe there was an SK, if you want to try to follow that 
logic). In any case, I used up cams in under 100 hours of operation on a 
race motor (12:1 TR6 motor with nothing too fancy in there and lots of 
proper break-in steps taken. But GTX used to be good stuff, now it doesn't 
seem to work the way it used to and I just use it out of habit.

Lots of FOT racers use Brad Penn - that's a pretty good endorsement in my 
book.

:-)

I don't have any data regarding the additives as I only started using them 
recently. I can say that I had ONE cam last 5 or 6 race seasons with zero 
wear / pitting on the cam and lifters, and that cam and lifters were cryo 
treated - that process def. helped in my case.

regards,
rml
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From REK46 at aol.com  Mon Oct 31 15:22:28 2011
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:22:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
Message-ID: <51ab.39dbeb68.3be06b93@aol.com>

You can buy Zddp in 4oz. botles from  
_zddplus at kirbanperformance.com...maybe_ (mailto:zddplus at kirbanperformance.com...maybe)   even find it at some 
other supplier for less ...I did.
 
 
In a message dated 10/31/2011 2:40:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
gaf3 at charter.net writes:

Hi  All

I have torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped  out 
cams.
The latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2  lobes 
severely worn.

I know this has been a topic/thread in the  past but wondered what if any 
Zinc Additives are out there.

For the  rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn 30wt break in oil, Valvoline 
Racing oil  (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest in zinc of the diesel oils)

As  these engines age their owners are going to start changing their own 
oil,  Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
As I understand that formula has  changed to the low zinc for emissions.
I'm running it in my engine as  well.

I'm now very concerned and would like to get this under control  with an 
additive.

Any Suggestions?
Thanks in Advance
Glenn  Franco
Too Many  TR's
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From REK46 at aol.com  Mon Oct 31 15:29:12 2011
From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:29:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Zinc Additive.
Message-ID: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com>

Its on ebay also...free ship on 5 to more bottles...or  Google it and 
explore. Let us know if you find a MAX deal
 
 
In a message dated 10/31/2011 4:26:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
emanteno at comcast.net writes:

On Mon,  Oct 31, 2011 at 1:52 PM, David Fidler <DJFidler at rogers.com>  wrote:

> Glenn, there's a product called ZDDP, which you pour in  when you change
> your
> oil. It's available from Moss. Also, a  couple of oil companies still
> manufacture oil with high zinc content.  Valvoline VR-1 and Kendall GR-1
> (Called Penzoil in the US I  think?)
>


The oil from the refinery in Pennsylvania that used  to market as Kendall
now sells that oil
as Brad Penn. It is the same  green color as the Kendall. It is also claimed
to contain
an adequate  amount of ZDDP to protect our flat tappets.

Irv Korey
74 TR6  CF22767U
Highland Park,  IL
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Mon Oct 31 16:51:10 2011
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 18:51:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com>
References: <5611.2ffc44ba.3be06d27@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EAF265E.8000106@charter.net>

Has anyone used the Lucas break in oil additive that contains Zinc or 
the Bardall Zinc Additive?
On a side note has anyone had an experience with the Lucas Oil 
Suppliment/Oil additive that claims to stick to rotating parts.
I pulled the pan on my 71 TR6 just before I sold it and found 1/2-3/4" 
of gell (lucas that is) on the bottom of the pan.
This is what the old STP formula used to do.
Lucas Oil products seem like snake oil to me.
Thanks
Glenn

On 10/31/2011 5:29 PM, REK46 at aol.com wrote:
> Its on ebay also...free ship on 5 to more bottles...or  Google it and
> explore. Let us know if you find a MAX deal
>
>
> In a message dated 10/31/2011 4:26:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> emanteno at comcast.net writes:
>
> On Mon,  Oct 31, 2011 at 1:52 PM, David Fidler<DJFidler at rogers.com>   wrote:
>
>> Glenn, there's a product called ZDDP, which you pour in  when you change
>> your
>> oil. It's available from Moss. Also, a  couple of oil companies still
>> manufacture oil with high zinc content.  Valvoline VR-1 and Kendall GR-1
>> (Called Penzoil in the US I  think?)
>>
>
> The oil from the refinery in Pennsylvania that used  to market as Kendall
> now sells that oil
> as Brad Penn. It is the same  green color as the Kendall. It is also claimed
> to contain
> an adequate  amount of ZDDP to protect our flat tappets.
>
> Irv Korey
> 74 TR6  CF22767U
> Highland Park,  IL
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Oct 31 17:03:34 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:03:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1110311707190.19297@isis.mit.edu>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net> <4EAF042B.8080906@pobox.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62L.1110311707190.19297@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <016a01cc9821$51343360$0501a8c0@randall>

> Jumping on what Larry says, I think the last API rating with 
> high zonc was SG. 

Likely everyone knows this, but JIC : You can't rely on the API rating to
tell you how much zinc the oil has.  The small database I have from roughly
20 years ago shows SG oils with everywhere from 0.10 to 0.20 % zinc.  Oddly
enough, both extremes came from the same company.

And I don't believe the later API specs require reduced zinc, either, at
least not SJ, SL and SM.  The oil companies lowered it on their own (after
being "encouraged" by the EPA).

Also, there are apparently different types of Brad Penn oil, at least one of
which doesn't have high zinc:
http://www.penngrade1.com/Zinc.aspx

-- Randall  


From duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 17:35:14 2011
From: duncan.charlton54 at gmail.com (Duncan Charlton)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:35:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
Message-ID: <CA+ZF2X1G3qGosVXDyHPKox-=buPQFFkPGO_OWgAW6U7B_DgPuw@mail.gmail.com>

I just bought some of this but haven't tried it yet -- GM's EOS additive:

http://tinyurl.com/3kss8hn
Duncan

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I have torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out cams.
> The latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes
> severely worn.
>
> I know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if any
> Zinc Additives are out there.
>
> For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn 30wt break in oil, Valvoline
> Racing oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest in zinc of the diesel oils)
>
> As these engines age their owners are going to start changing their own oil,
> Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
> As I understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
> I'm running it in my engine as well.
>
> I'm now very concerned and would like to get this under control with an
> additive.
>
> Any Suggestions?
> Thanks in Advance
> Glenn Franco
> Too Many TR's
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From 1964spitfire at pacbell.net  Mon Oct 31 17:36:18 2011
From: 1964spitfire at pacbell.net (Tim Pettenati)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:36:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
Message-ID: <1320104178.23155.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Glenn,

You can usually find Lucas Oil ZDDP additive in most auto parts
stores.  
It's called Break Oil Additive - TB Zink Plus.
It says to use a full
bottle per oil change.
I'm using a half bottle along with Valvoline ZR-1
racing oil.  
So far no problems.

Regards,
Tim
64 Spitfire

 
________________________________
From: Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net>
To:
Friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>; 6pack at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon,
October 31, 2011 10:47:19 AM
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.

Hi All

I have
torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out cams.
The
latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes severely
worn.

I know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if
any Zinc 
Additives are out there.

For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn
30wt break in oil, Valvoline Racing 
oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest
in zinc of the diesel oils)

As these engines age their owners are going to
start changing their own oil, 
Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
As I
understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
I'm running
it in my engine as well.

I'm now very concerned and would like to get this
under control with an 
additive.

Any Suggestions?
Thanks in Advance
Glenn
Franco
Too Many TR's
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From emanteno at comcast.net  Mon Oct 31 17:38:00 2011
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 18:38:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [6pack] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>
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	<013501cc9815$17146710$453d3530$@com>
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On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 4:36 PM, David Fidler <DJFidler at rogers.com> wrote:

> Brad Penn is still sold under the Kendall GR-1 name in Canada, available
> from Crescent Oil in Hamilton, ON.
>


According to the Brad Penn website, the Kendall name was sold to a 3rd
party when the refinery was sold. Because of that, the oil from that
refinery had to be
re-named, and they came up with Brad Penn. Kendall GR-1 may still be
available, but unless they are buying it from the company that
owns Brad Penn, it isn't the same oil that it used to be. NFI

http://www.penngrade1.com/History.aspx

Irv Korey
74 TR6 CF22767U
Highland Park, IL


From klynch_6 at msn.com  Mon Oct 31 19:26:47 2011
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:26:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Engine oil ~
Message-ID: <BLU151-ds2493300C3B41E7BC09DDDB7D70@phx.gbl>

I met our local Schaeffer Oil rep down @ Pikes Peak Raceway this last weekend.
(I admit, I'd never heard of this Midwest outfit)
I looked @ some of his data (1600-2000 ppm Zinc etc.) he was showing & then
the price just about knocked me over. $6-7 a quart isn't too shabby for race
oil. He laughed, he enjoys watching faces when they see they compare price.
(his words, not mine) Admittedly, their main market is over-the-road trucking
companies, but they decided to expand their product line-card in a big way.
In addition to our local pro r-racing teams, it seems Hendricks' Teams, some
Petty teams & various/sundry dirt track teams are using Schaeffer exclusively,
so many of you may know these guys well already.
Low marketing activity seems to equate to low costs.
So FWIW, it just may be worth a peek to some of you?

http://www.schaefferoil.com/supreme-7000-racing-oil.html<http://www.schaeffer
oil.com/supreme-7000-racing-oil.html>

Kev Lynch


From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Oct 31 19:27:06 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:27:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
In-Reply-To: <1320104178.23155.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <4EAEDF27.4010807@charter.net>
	<1320104178.23155.YahooMailRC@web180314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111101012720.07E56187643@autox.team.net>

Glenn, I know your question is about additives, but why not use 
something like Valvoline VR-1 synthetic?  It's not terribly 
expensive, has lots of ZDDP, shouldn't need an additive.  I do have 
to special order it, they only seem to carry the non-synthetic 
locally.  Less than half the price of Redline or such.

I always figure that the oil company itself can do a better job with 
the additive package than anything added in later.  It's what I use 
in my race motors.

http://www.valvoline.com/products/consumer-products/motor-oil/racing-motor-oil/8

"6.Which oil has more zinc/ZDDP: VR1 or "Not Street Legal" racing oil?

Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil contains .13 percent of zinc and .12 percent 
of phosphorus compared to the Valvoline "Not Street Legal" Racing Oil 
which contains .14 percent of zinc and .13 percent of phosphorus."

Tony Drews
uncle jack's racing

>________________________________
>From: Glenn Franco <gaf3 at charter.net>
>To:
>Friends of triumph <fot at autox.team.net>; 6pack at autox.team.net
>Sent: Mon,
>October 31, 2011 10:47:19 AM
>Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
>
>Hi All
>
>I have
>torn down 4 TR6 engines in the past 4 months all with wiped out cams.
>The
>latest was a performance reground cam with low miles and 2 lobes severely
>worn.
>
>I know this has been a topic/thread in the past but wondered what if
>any Zinc
>Additives are out there.
>
>For the rebuilds, I used either Brad Penn
>30wt break in oil, Valvoline Racing
>oil (20w50) and Rotella ( 15w40 highest
>in zinc of the diesel oils)
>
>As these engines age their owners are going to
>start changing their own oil,
>Most have switched back to Castrol 20w50.
>As I
>understand that formula has changed to the low zinc for emissions.
>I'm running
>it in my engine as well.
>
>I'm now very concerned and would like to get this
>under control with an
>additive.
>
>Any Suggestions?
>Thanks in Advance
>Glenn
>Franco
>Too Many TR's
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From capecoventryracing at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 20:17:12 2011
From: capecoventryracing at gmail.com (John Nikas)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:17:12 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Mille Miglia North America Tribute
Message-ID: <CACWViu-Yj1_-UA+NRRHy+v1X9dawX1Vj6BfcDhb9A7WrTekGMg@mail.gmail.com>

In a startling victory for British sports cars, the team of John Nikas and
Andy Reid in a 1953 Austin Healey 100 swept the inaugural Mille Miglia
North America Tribute finishing first in all seven stages beating a Ferrari
500 TRC, 500 Mondial, 250 Tour de  France, three Boanos (including one
driven by Alan de Cadenet, a 212 Mexico, an Allard, several Alfa Romeos and
other cars. We also took the Particpant's Choice Trophy, Best Driver and
the Spirit of the Mille Award. We also had an FOT sticker on the driver's
door and a VTR grill badge on the car. Gordon Gibbons TR3 finished third
overall as well.

-- 
Very truly yours,

John Nikas
Cape Coventry Racing
www.capecoventryracing.com
(949) 375-6306


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Oct 31 20:46:17 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 22:46:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Mille Miglia North America Tribute
In-Reply-To: <CACWViu-Yj1_-UA+NRRHy+v1X9dawX1Vj6BfcDhb9A7WrTekGMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACWViu-Yj1_-UA+NRRHy+v1X9dawX1Vj6BfcDhb9A7WrTekGMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CE665790418EAC-FD0-11B92F@webmail-m135.sysops.aol.com>

 Congratulations  JOHN and ANDY!    This is going to make great copy in THE
CLASSIC MOTORSPORTS MAGAZINE.





-----Original Message-----
From: John Nikas <capecoventryracing at gmail.com>
To: FOT <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 31, 2011 9:31 pm
Subject: [Fot] Mille Miglia North America Tribute


In a startling victory for British sports cars, the team of John Nikas and
Andy Reid in a 1953 Austin Healey 100 swept the inaugural Mille Miglia
North America Tribute finishing first in all seven stages beating a Ferrari
500 TRC, 500 Mondial, 250 Tour de  France, three Boanos (including one
driven by Alan de Cadenet, a 212 Mexico, an Allard, several Alfa Romeos and
other cars. We also took the Particpant's Choice Trophy, Best Driver and
the Spirit of the Mille Award. We also had an FOT sticker on the driver's
door and a VTR grill badge on the car. Gordon Gibbons TR3 finished third
overall as well.

--
Very truly yours,

John Nikas
Cape Coventry Racing
www.capecoventryracing.com
(949) 375-6306
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From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Oct 31 20:58:17 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:58:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Mille Miglia North America Tribute
References: <CACWViu-Yj1_-UA+NRRHy+v1X9dawX1Vj6BfcDhb9A7WrTekGMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <403C8B0635B54F4F9BD1BF7EAE97FDEE@Bud>

Congratulations John..!
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Nikas" <capecoventryracing at gmail.com>
To: "FOT" <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 7:17 PM
Subject: [Fot] Mille Miglia North America Tribute


> In a startling victory for British sports cars, the team of John Nikas and
> Andy Reid in a 1953 Austin Healey 100 swept the inaugural Mille Miglia
> North America Tribute finishing first in all seven stages beating a 
> Ferrari
> 500 TRC, 500 Mondial, 250 Tour de  France, three Boanos (including one
> driven by Alan de Cadenet, a 212 Mexico, an Allard, several Alfa Romeos 
> and
> other cars. We also took the Particpant's Choice Trophy, Best Driver and
> the Spirit of the Mille Award. We also had an FOT sticker on the driver's
> door and a VTR grill badge on the car. Gordon Gibbons TR3 finished third
> overall as well.
>
> -- 
> Very truly yours,
>
> John Nikas
> Cape Coventry Racing
> www.capecoventryracing.com
> (949) 375-6306
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From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au  Mon Oct 31 21:01:51 2011
From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Enquiries Road & Track)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:01:51 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
Message-ID: <CA+UW8b3RAK55gKjtpGE3=uuWNgvsd9sVm=HegHUj0YzbVFcKcg@mail.gmail.com>

i have been using quite ordinary oils in my race 2500/TR6 engines for
almost 30 years and never had an oil related failure, eg cam lobes worn off

in recent years i have used off-shelf Mobil 1 (not the racing version). The
current version is called 15-50. See this table to check out its zinc &
phosphorous levels.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf

In my engine machine shop business we have seen this occur with flat tappet
V8 engines, especially old Ford side-valve ones and more recently Chevs,
but usually owners have filled them with very modern oils.

The "tappet" problem that people refer to is not restricted to old engines.
nearly every modern engine has a tappet (now days called a cam bucket), but
most modern OHC engines have very soft cam profiles and very large diameter
tappets. none-the-less, the oil shear problems can still occur .

.Terry


From budscars at comcast.net  Mon Oct 31 21:58:06 2011
From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:58:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Zinc Additive.
References: <CA+UW8b3RAK55gKjtpGE3=uuWNgvsd9sVm=HegHUj0YzbVFcKcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <798D684E3A194181A0236F3447128CD9@Bud>

I use Mobil 1 15-50.synthetic off the shelf oil..It was recommended to me a 
few years ago by a friend who operates a race shop...
RB
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Enquiries Road & Track" <enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Zinc Additive.


>i have been using quite ordinary oils in my race 2500/TR6 engines for
> almost 30 years and never had an oil related failure, eg cam lobes worn 
> off
>
> in recent years i have used off-shelf Mobil 1 (not the racing version). 
> The
> current version is called 15-50. See this table to check out its zinc &
> phosphorous levels.
> http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf
>
> In my engine machine shop business we have seen this occur with flat 
> tappet
> V8 engines, especially old Ford side-valve ones and more recently Chevs,
> but usually owners have filled them with very modern oils.
>
> The "tappet" problem that people refer to is not restricted to old 
> engines.
> nearly every modern engine has a tappet (now days called a cam bucket), 
> but
> most modern OHC engines have very soft cam profiles and very large 
> diameter
> tappets. none-the-less, the oil shear problems can still occur .
>
> .Terry
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